From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov  1 04:11:04 2011
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 04:11:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <CA+ZF2X1G3qGosVXDyHPKox-=buPQFFkPGO_OWgAW6U7B_DgPuw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CA+ZF2X1G3qGosVXDyHPKox-=buPQFFkPGO_OWgAW6U7B_DgPuw@mail.gmail.com>
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This is the only additive that my Dad, a former GM engine designer
ever
recommended. It was unavailable for a number of years, and
may be available at
your local GM dealer as well.
 
As some of you know, my Dad was the designer
of record for the
Buick 215 which became the Rover/Triumph 3.5. (As well as
other
lumps).
 
Doug

From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
To:
Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net>
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net; Friends of triumph
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot]
Zinc Additive.

I just bought some of this but haven't tried it yet -- GM's
EOS additive:

http://tinyurl.com/3kss8hn
Duncan

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at
10:47 AM, Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I have torn down
4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out cams.
> The latest was a
performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes
> severely worn.
>
> I
know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if any
> Zinc
Additives are out there.
>
> For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn 30wt
break in oil, Valvoline
> Racing oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest in
zinc of the diesel oils)
>
> As these engines age their owners are going to
start changing their own oil,
> Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
> As
I understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
> I'm
running it in my engine as well.
>
> I'm now very concerned and would like to
get this under control with an
> additive.
>
> Any Suggestions?
> Thanks in
Advance
> Glenn Franco
> Too Many TR's
>
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Tue Nov  1 06:54:57 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 09:54:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Oil Supplement
Message-ID: <4EAFFA31.4050505@charter.net>

Thanks to all for the insight on Zinc oil additives.
The reason I have been looking for an additive or supplement is that I 
have a supply of Castrol 20w50 that I would like to use up.
I also found that GM's OES is still available and Summit Racing has it 
for ~$17 a bottle.
Bardall and Lucas also has a supplement for ~ $15 a bottle.
Eldebrock has some on Jegs site. We did use Valvoline VR1 (?) 20w50 in 
one of the engines and the latest is getting 30w Brad Penn.
Brad Penn is hard to find around here. I will start using Mobil 1 15w50 
or Rotella 15w40 in my own engines after the break in period.
Thanks
Glenn Franco
Too Many TR's

From ac at camoletti.ch  Tue Nov  1 07:31:36 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:31:36 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <CA+UW8b3RAK55gKjtpGE3=uuWNgvsd9sVm=HegHUj0YzbVFcKcg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <003401cc98a2$f70e1180$e52a3480$@camoletti.ch>

Hi there!
According to their tech dept, there are a few PENRITE oils with more that
0.1% ZZDP (1000 ppm-parts per million)

HPR and HPRD series
HPR Gas series
SIN series
Every Day Synthetic series
Every Day Driving series
Marine 4 Stroke
Small Engine Oil series
Diesel LA
Diesel GS
Multi Truck 25

There is also the CRANE additive, called Break In concentrate.
According to Crane service dept it will raise the ZDDP content of 1 gallon
of oil by 400ppm if I remember well, ie 0.04% more
Cheers!
Alex


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Envoyi : mardi 1 novembre 2011 04:02
@ : fot at autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] Zinc Additive.

i have been using quite ordinary oils in my race 2500/TR6 engines for almost
30 years and never had an oil related failure, eg cam lobes worn off

in recent years i have used off-shelf Mobil 1 (not the racing version). The
current version is called 15-50. See this table to check out its zinc &
phosphorous levels.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf

In my engine machine shop business we have seen this occur with flat tappet
V8 engines, especially old Ford side-valve ones and more recently Chevs, but
usually owners have filled them with very modern oils.

The "tappet" problem that people refer to is not restricted to old engines.
nearly every modern engine has a tappet (now days called a cam bucket), but
most modern OHC engines have very soft cam profiles and very large diameter
tappets. none-the-less, the oil shear problems can still occur .

.Terry
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Nov  1 07:32:14 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 10:32:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
Message-ID: <3305d.31442d0b.3be15cee@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/01/2011 5:32:48 AM Central Standard Time, 
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:


> As some of you know, my Dad was the designer
> of record for the
> Buick 215 which became the Rover/Triumph 3.5. (As well as
> other
> lumps).
> 

WOW!  Some people feel that was one of the best engines ever built.

Bill Dentinger

From tedtsimx at bright.net  Tue Nov  1 11:04:14 2011
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 13:04:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4EB0349E.5080008@bright.net>

Glenn, the first 30 seconds and then the first 5 minutes of new engine 
(or cam) start up are the critical cam life determining time. Inadequate 
or poor quality cam lube, trying to build oil pressure by turning with 
the starter rather than fully pressurizing he system first, high ratio 
rocker arms and excessive valve spring pressure all will wipe cam 
lobes.  The other factor is inital run-in time and procedure. Three 
years ago we  spent almost a year researching oils and zinc issue. We 
spoke  with Comp Cams, Joe Gibbs, Mobil, Brad Penn and others.Finally 
settled on Brad Penn. They have a good selection of grades plus they 
have break-in oil. We build a lot of engines and this has worked for us. 
Commercial content - Brad Penn break-in oil is $6/qt.  All other weights 
are $5/qt  Ted


On 10/31/2011 12:47 PM, Glenn Franco wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I have torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out 
> cams.
> The latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes 
> severely worn.
>
> I know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if 
> any Zinc Additives are out there.
>
> For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn 30wt break in oil, Valvoline 
> Racing oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest in zinc of the diesel 
> oils)
>
> As these engines age their owners are going to start changing their 
> own oil, Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
> As I understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
> I'm running it in my engine as well.
>
> I'm now very concerned and would like to get this under control with 
> an additive.
>
> Any Suggestions?
> Thanks in Advance
> Glenn Franco
> Too Many TR's
>
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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Tue Nov  1 22:20:02 2011
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 01:20:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Brad-Penn Refinery
Message-ID: <A78C2B8A0BEA4D1E8837D5D7B98F2776@Bucktailus>

I have been watching the discussion about the  zinc content in racing oil, and
the high regard that many have for Brad-Penn.  I am not a stock holder in the
Brad-Penn refinery, but surely could be.  I grew up, literally, in the shadow
of the Kendall Refinery. That refinery is now the Brad-Penn refinery,  as Irv
Korey has stated.  The "Brad" comes from the town where the refinery is
located - Bradford, PA.  I lived less than 1/4 mile from the refinery. The
street that runs along one side of the refinery is Kendall Ave. I walked that
street four times each day going to and from Grade School.  My father-in-law
was an independent oil producer and some of his wells were within the area of
what we called a tank farm, belonging to the Kendall Refinery.  My sister
(during the second world war) worked in the control lab.  One of my cousins
worked, for a number of years, in the packing plant office, and a good friend,
Bruce Klussman, was in charge of the racing promotion program when it was
still Kendall.  I still have connections that I can refer to, but it sounds
like the ones interested are getting all the information that is needed.  So,
you can see why the recent discussion is of particular interest to me.
Bob Johns

From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 05:29:35 2011
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 08:29:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Brad-Penn Refinery
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References: <A78C2B8A0BEA4D1E8837D5D7B98F2776@Bucktailus>
Message-ID: <000b01cc995b$14f44c10$3edce430$@net>

I use Brad-Penn works for me (next subject)

Craig

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Behalf Of Robert Johns
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 1:20 AM
To: FOT team
Subject: [Fot] Brad-Penn Refinery

I have been watching the discussion about the  zinc content in racing oil,
and
the high regard that many have for Brad-Penn.  I am not a stock holder in
the
Brad-Penn refinery, but surely could be.  I grew up, literally, in the
shadow
of the Kendall Refinery. That refinery is now the Brad-Penn refinery,  as
Irv
Korey has stated.  The "Brad" comes from the town where the refinery is
located - Bradford, PA.  I lived less than 1/4 mile from the refinery. The
street that runs along one side of the refinery is Kendall Ave. I walked
that
street four times each day going to and from Grade School.  My father-in-law
was an independent oil producer and some of his wells were within the area
of
what we called a tank farm, belonging to the Kendall Refinery.  My sister
(during the second world war) worked in the control lab.  One of my cousins
worked, for a number of years, in the packing plant office, and a good
friend,
Bruce Klussman, was in charge of the racing promotion program when it was
still Kendall.  I still have connections that I can refer to, but it sounds
like the ones interested are getting all the information that is needed.
So,
you can see why the recent discussion is of particular interest to me.
Bob Johns
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed Nov  2 07:24:26 2011
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 07:24:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
Message-ID: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve

From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net  Wed Nov  2 07:45:30 2011
From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 07:45:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire differential - broken pinion teeth
Message-ID: <1320245130.60779.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Our last race of the season, the CSRG season finale at Thunderhill, didn't go
so 

well.  On the first warm-up session, my wife pulls into the paddock early
and 
says the rear end is making a clunking sound. Turns out the pinion has
two 
broken teeth. Not completely missing, each one lost about 1/3 of the
tooth.

I have a spare stock diff (FC85870) but the axle flanges don't
match. Looks like 

my original diff (FC2669) was upgraded to 1500 bits with
larger flanges, 
bearings, and 7/8" 20 spline shafts.  The rear case must have
been changed also 
to accommodate the larger bearings. I'm assuming all this
was done to fit the 
detroit locker, and heavy duty axles.  Suppose to be
Mother Mueller parts
according to the PO.

So I now have two winter projects -
fix the original diff and upgrade the spare 
so it 

fits.

Anyone familiar
with these changes?

Does the stock 4:11 crown and pinion 510005 work with the
Detroit locker?

Thanks,
Tim

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 08:22:06 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:22:06 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
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Once a year if the engine is doing well.

Chris

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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 15:24
An: fot at autox.team.net Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Wed Nov  2 08:30:36 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 11:30:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
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Every Race....

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Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval


As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 09:22:16 2011
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:22:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
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After each race is a good time 

Craig


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To: fot at autox.team.net Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Nov  2 09:34:10 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 11:34:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
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After the first race following a rebuild (switch from non-synthetic 
to synthetic), then at the end of the season (drain it before the 
next rebuild).  I rebuild each season whether it needs it or not.

Tony Drews

At 09:24 AM 11/2/2011, Steven Belfer wrote:
>As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....
>
>
>How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?
>
>
>~Steve
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From jhouathome at aol.com  Wed Nov  2 09:36:27 2011
From: jhouathome at aol.com (John Houlton)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:36:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
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After each and every engine failure, without exception!  Just kidding.  Every
race if I ran the complete weekend, every session.  If I miss a few sessions
or it is a short schedule, I'll go 2 weekends.
John



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Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval


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s the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....

ow frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?

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From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 10:16:07 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 10:16:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
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I change Mobil 15-50synthetic oil once per season(4-6 races)..(unless 
something has happened)...When i used regular racing oil I changed every 
race..
RB
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Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval


> As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....
>
>
> How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?
>
>
> ~Steve
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 10:19:05 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:19:05 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
In-Reply-To: <000401cc997b$96229e20$c267da60$@net>
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
	<000401cc997b$96229e20$c267da60$@net>
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Isn't that too often?
Why should that be affordable?

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Craig
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 17:22
An: 'Steven Belfer'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

After each race is a good time

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Steven Belfer
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:24 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 10:35:12 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:35:12 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval - ZDDP?
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
	<000401cc997b$96229e20$c267da60$@net> 
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It is very interesting to notice that in Europe there is almost no ZDDP
discussion.
Why is everybody in USA talking about ZDDP while in Europe there is almost
no interest in that stuff and about 99 percent of the vintage scene doesn't
know about existence.

Is ZDDP maybe replaced with better stuff and not needed anymore?

I run Castrol 10w60 or Liqui Moly 10w60 or Mobil1 5w50.
I have no idea if they contain ZDDP or not but I have no trouble with
tappets or cams.
And Larrys cam is really hard on that stuff.

So what is the secret with ZDDP?

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 18:19
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

Isn't that too often?
Why should that be affordable?

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von Craig
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 17:22
An: 'Steven Belfer'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

After each race is a good time

Craig


-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Steven Belfer
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:24 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From barry at penybryn.ca  Wed Nov  2 11:30:45 2011
From: barry at penybryn.ca (Barry Munson)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:30:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW: FW: Crank-scraper Triumph TR7
Message-ID: <001601cc998d$8b5c1d10$a2145730$@ca>

Amici - FYI - if anyone is looking for a crank scraper-windage tray for a
TR7 engine Kevin is a useful resource to check out. I had him make a crank
scraper- windage tray and baffle for the TR3. Superb engineering, fit and
finish. Based on this product I ordered one for the Volvo. Absolutely no
NFI.
Barry.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Johnson [mailto:Kevin_Johnson at crank-scrapers.com] 
Sent: November-02-11 11:17 AM
To: Barry Munson
Subject: RE: FW: Crank-scraper Triumph TR4 tracking number

Hi Barry,

Yours will be sent shortly (the fifth of seven sets that I have cut).   
Thanks for being patient.

If you know anyone with the TR-7 type engine, I am working on patterns  
for that.  Hopefully the head on the core I have will not be locked on.

Kind regards,

Kevin


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Quoting Barry Munson <barry at penybryn.ca>:

> Hi Kevin - Could you please give me an update on this order. Ordered
August
> 03, paid for August 04.
> Thanks.
> Barry.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Munson [mailto:barry at penybryn.ca]
> Sent: August-03-11 10:49 AM
> To: 'Kevin Johnson'
> Subject: RE: FW: Crank-scraper Triumph TR4 tracking number
>
> Hi Kevin - Thanks for the information below. I would like to order both
the
> windage tray and scraper for the Volvo B20 engine. Do still have my card
> info, if not, I'll phone it in. Could you please give me an estimated
> delivery time - only have one race left this season so this will be part
of
> the winter rebuild.
> Thanks.
> Barry.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Johnson [mailto:Kevin_Johnson at crank-scrapers.com]
> Sent: April-17-11 12:33 PM
> To: Barry Munson
> Subject: RE: FW: Crank-scraper Triumph TR4 tracking number
>
> Hi Barry,
>
> I have attached a pic of the windage tray for that engine ($199.95) and
the
> website shows the general steel dual scraper (look at the B230 but the
> counterweight cutouts are a little different) $109.95.
> http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Volvo.html
>
> The P1800 is a nice car design.
>
> Shipping weight will probably be about 8 pounds.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
>
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>
> Quoting Barry Munson <barry at penybryn.ca>:
>
>> Hi Kevin - Thanks for the info. Everything fits perfectly. Once the new
> oil
>> pump pickup arrives from Greg Solow I may have one additional question.
>> This is one fine "piece of kit". So much so that I would like to do
>> something similar to my primary race car (this is the car that has been
>> getting the living snot beat out of it every year since 1980)  - a 1970
>> Volvo P1800 with a B20 motor. I noticed on your web site that you have
>> developed something for this application. Could you please provide me
with
>> what you would recommend and a quote for the options.
>> Thanks very much.
>> Barry.

From harmug at us.ibm.com  Wed Nov  2 11:36:56 2011
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 14:36:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 60, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7393.1320254174.2939.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OFD0F55A09.582DF62F-ON8525793C.0065ADEB-8525793C.006642A2@us.ibm.com>

"How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?"

Never, it's British. I just keep it full, draining the old oil is done by
design.

mike


G. Michael Harmuth

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 12:02:02 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 20:02:02 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval - ZDDP?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74026849CC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net><000401cc997b$96229e20$c267da60$@net>
	<002301cc9985$c98cf4e0$5ca6dea0$@com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74026849CC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <002d01cc9991$e90f1850$bb2d48f0$@com>

Maybe.
I have no idea if there is ZDDP in full synthetic oils I run.

But the main difference between US and EU is the cam design.
We run flat cams and flat tappets while in USA there are most cams cone
grinds with domed tappets.
Maybe these US versions of cams and tappets need ZDDP?

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 19:23
An: MadMarx
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Oil Change Interval - ZDDP?

Maybe it was never taken out of your oils?

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:35 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval - ZDDP?

It is very interesting to notice that in Europe there is almost no ZDDP
discussion.
Why is everybody in USA talking about ZDDP while in Europe there is
almost
no interest in that stuff and about 99 percent of the vintage scene
doesn't
know about existence.

Is ZDDP maybe replaced with better stuff and not needed anymore?

I run Castrol 10w60 or Liqui Moly 10w60 or Mobil1 5w50.
I have no idea if they contain ZDDP or not but I have no trouble with
tappets or cams.
And Larrys cam is really hard on that stuff.

So what is the secret with ZDDP?

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 18:19
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

Isn't that too often?
Why should that be affordable?

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Craig
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 17:22
An: 'Steven Belfer'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

After each race is a good time

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Steven Belfer
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:24 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 12:15:56 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:15:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
In-Reply-To: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1234495485.1422200.1320261356359.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

On Lake Speed's advice ( Works for Joe Gibbs ) I change my filter every weekend and oil every third weekend. 

We had a conversation about average run time over a race weekend and this is what he suggested. 

He also said it was important to change the filter right after you run in a new cam ( 20 min runtime ) 



Jim g 



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To: "fot at autox.team.net Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 8:24:26 AM 
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval 

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on.... 


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter? 


~Steve 
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Nov  2 12:55:18 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:55:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] [6pack]   Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com>
	<013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>

Google "ZDDP"

You'll get so much information, your head will explode.

Executive summary: yes, there is a correlation. The summary of the 
correlation is that without ZDDP in break-in, cam failure is certain. 
THere may be supporting data that without ZDDP during normal use that 
failure probable - all things considered.

But there are other factors for excessive cam wear and you need to account 
for ALL of them. Material surface hardness, proper materials in the first 
place, proper break-in, proper valve spring pressure, proper rocker 
geometry and so forth.

regards,
rml
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2011, Ruffner, James A *HS wrote:

> Does anyone know what the correlation is between cam wear and the zinc
> additive?  I do not remember ever having heard of this.
> ________________________________________
> From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> Irv Korey [emanteno at comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 7:38 PM
> To: DJFidler at rogers.com
> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net; REK46 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [6pack] [Fot]  Zinc Additive.
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:36 PM, David Fidler <DJFidler at rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> Brad Penn is still sold under the Kendall GR-1 name in Canada, available
>> from Crescent Oil in Hamilton, ON.
>>
>
>
> According to the Brad Penn website, the Kendall name was sold to a 3rd
> party when the refinery was sold. Because of that, the oil from that
> refinery had to be
> re-named, and they came up with Brad Penn. Kendall GR-1 may still be
> available, but unless they are buying it from the company that
> owns Brad Penn, it isn't the same oil that it used to be. NFI
>
> http://www.penngrade1.com/History.aspx
>
> Irv Korey
> 74 TR6 CF22767U
> Highland Park, IL
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Nov  2 13:00:39 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:00:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval - ZDDP?
In-Reply-To: <002301cc9985$c98cf4e0$5ca6dea0$@com>
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
	<000401cc997b$96229e20$c267da60$@net> 
	<002301cc9985$c98cf4e0$5ca6dea0$@com>
Message-ID: <084001cc999a$18847910$498d6b30$@rr.com>

> It is very interesting to notice that in Europe there is almost no ZDDP
> discussion.

I could be mistaken, but I believe it is just starting over there, much like
the debate over lead in fuel started 20 years later in Europe than in the
US.  For example,
http://www.millersoils.net/1_downloads/literature/general/ZDDP.pdf

-- Randall 

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 13:26:38 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 21:26:38 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
In-Reply-To: <1234495485.1422200.1320261356359.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
	<1234495485.1422200.1320261356359.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <004601cc999d$bb8c6fc0$32a54f40$@com>

" He also said it was important to change the filter right after you run in
a new cam ( 20 min runtime )"

That is an interesting statement. Why this?
On a new cam should be NO wear.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 20:16
An: Steven Belfer
Cc: fot at autox.team.net Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

On Lake Speed's advice ( Works for Joe Gibbs ) I change my filter every
weekend and oil every third weekend.

We had a conversation about average run time over a race weekend and this is
what he suggested.

He also said it was important to change the filter right after you run in a
new cam ( 20 min runtime )



Jim g



----- Original Message -----


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To: "fot at autox.team.net Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 8:24:26 AM
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 13:42:28 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 20:42:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
In-Reply-To: <004601cc999d$bb8c6fc0$32a54f40$@com>
Message-ID: <870637209.1426774.1320266548877.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I don't think he was worried about the cam generating debris or particulates,
I think it was intended to remove any

particulates that might be created by normal initial break in.



jim g



----- Original Message -----


From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net, "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 2:26:38 PM
Subject: AW: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

" He also said it was important to change the filter right after you run in
a new cam ( 20 min runtime )"

That is an interesting statement. Why this?
On a new cam should be NO wear.

Cheers
Chris

-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 20:16
An: Steven Belfer
Cc: fot at autox.team.net Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

On Lake Speed's advice ( Works for Joe Gibbs ) I change my filter every
weekend and oil every third weekend.

We had a conversation about average run time over a race weekend and this is
what he suggested.

He also said it was important to change the filter right after you run in a
new cam ( 20 min runtime )



Jim g



----- Original Message -----


From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "fot at autox.team.net Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 8:24:26 AM
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 13:58:56 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 21:58:56 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
In-Reply-To: <870637209.1426774.1320266548877.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <004601cc999d$bb8c6fc0$32a54f40$@com>
	<870637209.1426774.1320266548877.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <005d01cc99a2$3deac710$b9c05530$@com>

Well, after a short warming up to retorque the head nuts I go for a ride with
high reves and lots of full throttle.

No time to change oil. The oil remains in the engine for the season.





Von: toodamnfunky at comcast.net [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 21:42
An: MadMarx
Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Steven Belfer
Betreff: Re: AW: [Fot] Oil Change Interval



I don't think he was worried about the cam generating debris or particulates,
I think it was intended to remove any

particulates that might be created by normal initial break in.



jim g

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From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net, "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 2:26:38 PM
Subject: AW: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

" He also said it was important to change the filter right after you run in
a new cam ( 20 min runtime )"

That is an interesting statement. Why this?
On a new cam should be NO wear.

Cheers
Chris

-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 20:16
An: Steven Belfer
Cc: fot at autox.team.net Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

On Lake Speed's advice ( Works for Joe Gibbs ) I change my filter every
weekend and oil every third weekend.

We had a conversation about average run time over a race weekend and this is
what he suggested.

He also said it was important to change the filter right after you run in a
new cam ( 20 min runtime )



Jim g



----- Original Message -----


From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "fot at autox.team.net Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 8:24:26 AM
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 14:10:06 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 22:10:06 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval - ZDDP?
In-Reply-To: <084001cc999a$18847910$498d6b30$@rr.com>
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
	<000401cc997b$96229e20$c267da60$@net>
	<002301cc9985$c98cf4e0$5ca6dea0$@com>
	<084001cc999a$18847910$498d6b30$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <006801cc99a3$ce8cba70$6ba62f50$@com>

You're right with lead and fuel as US cars had converters very early.
But I think that the pollution laws in Europe (especially Germany) are now
much more strict than in USA.
With green technique Germany is far ahead of every nation at the moment.
Even our vintage race cars run converters :-) - Exception - F1 are allowed
to run without.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Randall
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 21:01
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval - ZDDP?

> It is very interesting to notice that in Europe there is almost no ZDDP
> discussion.

I could be mistaken, but I believe it is just starting over there, much like
the debate over lead in fuel started 20 years later in Europe than in the
US.  For example,
http://www.millersoils.net/1_downloads/literature/general/ZDDP.pdf

-- Randall
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Nov  2 14:16:11 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:16:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com><013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com><9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8CE67BBC7EB878E-FD0-145A5E@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com>

 Use of bronze guides is or can be an issue here.

ESPECIALLY those not properly clearanced.

It ALSO seems that cast iron guides are 'slippery' while bronze can create
added friction and wear.

We dont use bronze guides anymore.









-----Original Message-----
From: Robert M. Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: Ruffner, James A *HS <JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu>
Cc: 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>; REK46
<REK46 at aol.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 4:04 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] [Fot]  Zinc Additive.


Google "ZDDP"

You'll get so much information, your head will explode.

Executive summary: yes, there is a correlation. The summary of the
correlation is that without ZDDP in break-in, cam failure is certain.
THere may be supporting data that without ZDDP during normal use that
failure probable - all things considered.

But there are other factors for excessive cam wear and you need to account
for ALL of them. Material surface hardness, proper materials in the first
place, proper break-in, proper valve spring pressure, proper rocker
geometry and so forth.

regards,
rml
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2011, Ruffner, James A *HS wrote:

> Does anyone know what the correlation is between cam wear and the zinc
> additive?  I do not remember ever having heard of this.
> ________________________________________
> From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of
> Irv Korey [emanteno at comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 7:38 PM
> To: DJFidler at rogers.com
> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net; REK46 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [6pack] [Fot]  Zinc Additive.
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:36 PM, David Fidler <DJFidler at rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> Brad Penn is still sold under the Kendall GR-1 name in Canada, available
>> from Crescent Oil in Hamilton, ON.
>>
>
>
> According to the Brad Penn website, the Kendall name was sold to a 3rd
> party when the refinery was sold. Because of that, the oil from that
> refinery had to be
> re-named, and they came up with Brad Penn. Kendall GR-1 may still be
> available, but unless they are buying it from the company that
> owns Brad Penn, it isn't the same oil that it used to be. NFI
>
> http://www.penngrade1.com/History.aspx
>
> Irv Korey
> 74 TR6 CF22767U
> Highland Park, IL
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 14:33:16 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 22:33:16 +0100
Subject: [Fot] [6pack]   Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com>
	<013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>
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Yes - google finds loads of info about this.

But I think that if ZDDP would so important than loads of engines - even
modern engines - would fail with cam trouble.
The design has not changed much over the last 50 years.

I believe in problems with geometry of the cam/tappet design as cause for
all this trouble, as my cam problem was solved with grinding the tappets
flat.
Before that I lost 3 cams.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Robert M. Lang
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 20:55
An: Ruffner, James A *HS
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net; Irv Korey; fot at autox.team.net; DJFidler at rogers.com
Betreff: Re: [Fot] [6pack] Zinc Additive.

Google "ZDDP"

You'll get so much information, your head will explode.

Executive summary: yes, there is a correlation. The summary of the
correlation is that without ZDDP in break-in, cam failure is certain.
THere may be supporting data that without ZDDP during normal use that
failure probable - all things considered.

But there are other factors for excessive cam wear and you need to account
for ALL of them. Material surface hardness, proper materials in the first
place, proper break-in, proper valve spring pressure, proper rocker
geometry and so forth.

regards,
rml
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2011, Ruffner, James A *HS wrote:

> Does anyone know what the correlation is between cam wear and the zinc
> additive?  I do not remember ever having heard of this.
> ________________________________________
> From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of
> Irv Korey [emanteno at comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 7:38 PM
> To: DJFidler at rogers.com
> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net; REK46 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [6pack] [Fot]  Zinc Additive.
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:36 PM, David Fidler <DJFidler at rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> Brad Penn is still sold under the Kendall GR-1 name in Canada, available
>> from Crescent Oil in Hamilton, ON.
>>
>
>
> According to the Brad Penn website, the Kendall name was sold to a 3rd
> party when the refinery was sold. Because of that, the oil from that
> refinery had to be
> re-named, and they came up with Brad Penn. Kendall GR-1 may still be
> available, but unless they are buying it from the company that
> owns Brad Penn, it isn't the same oil that it used to be. NFI
>
> http://www.penngrade1.com/History.aspx
>
> Irv Korey
> 74 TR6 CF22767U
> Highland Park, IL
>
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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 16:34:05 2011
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:34:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
In-Reply-To: <001f01cc9983$8773cae0$965b60a0$@com>
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
	<000401cc997b$96229e20$c267da60$@net>
	<001f01cc9983$8773cae0$965b60a0$@com>
Message-ID: <001701cc99b7$e9989e60$bcc9db20$@net>

Back in the day we pull engine and go though it

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 1:19 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

Isn't that too often?
Why should that be affordable?

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Craig
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 17:22
An: 'Steven Belfer'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

After each race is a good time

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Steven Belfer
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:24 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  2 20:21:08 2011
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 20:21:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: [ISOA] RTA
Message-ID: <1320290468.12800.YahooMailRC@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Friends - I will be moving my street TR4 to Rogersville in Northeastern
Tennessee as 

soon as the transport can be arranged.  Dick Burdette (ISOA)
and I are going to 
start the Rogersville Triumph Association.  This area has
some of the best 
driving roads for our cars - a perfect location for a long
vacation or a 
retirement.
If anyone has an empty trailer going that way in
the next six months please let 
me know.

Thanks
Dennis DeLap here in
Illinois

From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Nov  2 22:15:56 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 23:15:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fw: [ISOA] RTA
In-Reply-To: <1320290468.12800.YahooMailRC@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1320290468.12800.YahooMailRC@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4EB2238C.2040009@bradakis.com>

RTA?  I would have called it

Rogersville
Association of
Triumphs


mjb.

From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Nov  3 05:35:26 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 05:35:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013 (AP)
Message-ID: <1320323726.59420.YahooMailClassic@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Friends: Don't know if any of you had heard this. I just had a chance to read
the AP posting my son sent me. Knowing I come from that area he knew I would
be interested. The reporter that filed the article must not be from the area
or he would have known and mentioned the very rich racing past of neighboring
Paterson, N.J., home of Hincliffe Stadium. Patterson had it's own, now
historic Gasoline Alley which was home to many champ car drivers of the
'50's...Bill Shindler, Dutch Shaffer, Phil Walters (AKA Ted Tappet), and of
course, my dad.
Question this raises in my mind. If Austin has the 2012 race; and N.J. has the
race in 2013 or 2014 which will be called the America Grand Prix, what is
going to happen to the Austin race when the N.J. race starts?
All random morning thoughts.
-Ed-
 

--- On Mon, 10/24/11, Joshua <josh817 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Joshua <josh817 at gmail.com>
Subject: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013 (AP)
To: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
Date: Monday, October 24, 2011, 6:03 PM



http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/topstories/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/2
0111024/ap_on_sp_au_ra_ne/car_f1_formula_one_new_jersey

From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Nov  3 06:54:01 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 13:54:01 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013  (AP)
In-Reply-To: <1320323726.59420.YahooMailClassic@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1320323726.59420.YahooMailClassic@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W12C639764C6A4D8750CA1DFD50@phx.gbl>

It was addressed by Bernie and he says here will be TWO raaces in the USA.

Never be beaten by equipment
 > Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 05:35:26 -0700
> From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Fw: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013 (AP)
>
> Friends: Don't know if any of you had heard this. I just had a chance to
read
> the AP posting my son sent me. Knowing I come from that area he knew I
would
> be interested. The reporter that filed the article must not be from the
area
> or he would have known and mentioned the very rich racing past of
neighboring
> Paterson, N.J., home of Hincliffe Stadium. Patterson had it's own, now
> historic Gasoline Alley which was home to many champ car drivers of the
> '50's...Bill Shindler, Dutch Shaffer, Phil Walters (AKA Ted Tappet), and of
> course, my dad.
> Question this raises in my mind. If Austin has the 2012 race; and N.J. has
the
> race in 2013 or 2014 which will be called the America Grand Prix, what is
> going to happen to the Austin race when the N.J. race starts?
> All random morning thoughts.
> -Ed-
>
>
> --- On Mon, 10/24/11, Joshua <josh817 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Joshua <josh817 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013 (AP)
> To: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
> Date: Monday, October 24, 2011, 6:03 PM
>
>
>
>
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/topstories/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/2
> 0111024/ap_on_sp_au_ra_ne/car_f1_formula_one_new_jersey
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov  3 07:12:08 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 10:12:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <8CE6845D8365DBA-654-68BA1@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com><013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com><9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>
	<8CE67BBC7EB878E-FD0-145A5E@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com>
	<2ae8faca-232d-4890-b510-4ad40f846447@blur>
	<8CE684338A8E3D7-654-6868B@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CE6845D8365DBA-654-68BA1@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CE6849B52CA5F1-654-692AC@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>

Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 8:25 am
Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES


 FROM TED SCHUMACHER:

Why dont you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?


Ted,

I discussed with highly regarded performance engine shop.
Whenever they encounter bronze guides they clearance them.
If it doesnt get done, there is a danger of seizing.....which can get very
hard on lifters and cams.

Some engineering folks tell me that cast iron guides provide superior
performance.
And say that bronze cause more heat/friction/wear......................

This and observing various failures over the years caused me change.
Certainly it is the right decision for me.

Others may have a different conclusion and I would invite them to discuss on
this list.

I have long suspected that there have been a lot of failures attributed to
'soft lifters', and faulty cams, when it may have been caused by seizing of
valves or severe drag in bronze guides.

Thanks for asking Ted.   It seems like it is an important subject for this
list.

Joe Alexander







-----Original Message-----
From: tedsimx <tedsimx at bright.net>
To: n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 8:54 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.


Why don't you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?  Ted


Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless


-----Original message-----

From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: lang at isis.mit.edu,  JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 21:16:11 GMT+00:00
Subject: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.


 Use of bronze guides is or can be an issue here.

ESPECIALLY those not properly clearanced.

It ALSO seems that cast iron guides are 'slippery' while bronze can create
added friction and wear.

We dont use bronze guides anymore.

From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu Nov  3 07:57:24 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 07:57:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013  (AP)
References: <1320323726.59420.YahooMailClassic@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E6F4F7DA324246269F49B1C525E88522@Charly>

This should answer most of the questions.

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-formula-one-to-race-in-new-jersey-in-2013/
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-speed-qa-bob-varsha-discusses-new-jersey-gp/
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-sport-should-have-even-more-us-races-bernie-ecclestone/
http://my.speedtv.com/go/thread/view/55846/28602253/A_US_GP_in_Jersey


Charly Mitchel


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:35 AM
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013 (AP)


> Friends: Don't know if any of you had heard this. I just had a chance to 
> read
> the AP posting my son sent me. Knowing I come from that area he knew I 
> would
> be interested. The reporter that filed the article must not be from the 
> area
> or he would have known and mentioned the very rich racing past of 
> neighboring
> Paterson, N.J., home of Hincliffe Stadium. Patterson had it's own, now
> historic Gasoline Alley which was home to many champ car drivers of the
> '50's...Bill Shindler, Dutch Shaffer, Phil Walters (AKA Ted Tappet), and 
> of
> course, my dad.
> Question this raises in my mind. If Austin has the 2012 race; and N.J. has 
> the
> race in 2013 or 2014 which will be called the America Grand Prix, what is
> going to happen to the Austin race when the N.J. race starts?
> All random morning thoughts.
> -Ed-

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Nov  3 09:06:58 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 09:06:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <8CE6849B52CA5F1-654-692AC@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com><013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com><9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu><Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu><8CE67BBC7EB878E-FD0-145A5E@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com><2ae8faca-232d-4890-b510-4ad40f846447@blur><8CE684338A8E3D7-654-6868B@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com><8CE6845D8365DBA-654-68BA1@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CE6849B52CA5F1-654-692AC@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <04a501cc9a42$9d8e00b0$0501a8c0@randall>

> I discussed with highly regarded performance engine shop.
> Whenever they encounter bronze guides they clearance them.
> If it doesnt get done, there is a danger of seizing...

I agree.

The problem is that the bronze has a higher rate of thermal expansion than
the cast iron head, plus is softer/weaker.  So as the guide & head heat up,
the bronze tries to expand faster than the cast iron hole in the head.
Since the hole is stronger, the bronze expands inward into the valve stem
bore and closes up the clearance.  The only solution is extra clearance
(which means they leak oil and don't guide the valve as well when cold).

And since the guide also carries heat away from the valve, the problem gets
worst at sustained full power.

I believe the bronze wears slower in service (if it gets adequate
lubrication), but since you have to ream them oversize, the advantage is
lost.  In effect, you have to install them pre-worn.

-- Randall  

From tlizzard at msn.com  Thu Nov  3 09:18:31 2011
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 12:18:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013   (AP)
In-Reply-To: <1320323726.59420.YahooMailClassic@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT120-W12C639764C6A4D8750CA1DFD50@phx.gbl>
References: <1320323726.59420.YahooMailClassic@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT120-W12C639764C6A4D8750CA1DFD50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY164-ds20B82A6DEB8766F05BEE65C3D50@phx.gbl>

No doubt in my mind that the United States should have two Grands Prix.  We
have the population and geographic separation to support it.

Now, we need someone to pony up the cash and form a proper US based Formula
One constructor.

We have the talent here.


Terry Stetler

From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu Nov  3 10:39:28 2011
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 12:39:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <8CE6849B52CA5F1-654-692AC@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com><013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com><9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>
	<8CE67BBC7EB878E-FD0-145A5E@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com>
	<2ae8faca-232d-4890-b510-4ad40f846447@blur>
	<8CE684338A8E3D7-654-6868B@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CE6845D8365DBA-654-68BA1@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CE6849B52CA5F1-654-692AC@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EB2D1D0.9050200@bright.net>

Joe,the engine shop is correct. Bronze guides should always be 
clearanced.  But that is an indictment on whom ever did the head, not 
the guides themselves. For the past several years, lifter have been a 
serious issue. We  used to bring in Spit/TR6/etc lifters, #143552 by the 
hundered through theearly-mid'90's. Then they started to go down hill. 
We have Rockwell checked new  lifters that have gone all the way down to 
a 28. 39 - 41 is fairly common.Minimum hardness should be at least 55 or 
greater.  There have been several fixes tried including using different 
size lifters such as Ford.  Problem here is the lifter bore on a 
Spit/TR6engine is at a 4.5 degree slant so boring it out correctly is 
not easy(or inexpensive).  The most consistent lifter supply we have 
found is reconditioning used lifters. They Rockwell test each lifter and 
if it is a minimum of 55 and can be saved, it is reconditioned. We 
rebuild a lot of heads and engines and new engine start-up procedure is 
still the major factor in the equation.Ted




On 11/3/2011 9:12 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 8:25 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
>
>
>   FROM TED SCHUMACHER:
>
> Why dont you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?
>
>
> Ted,
>
> I discussed with highly regarded performance engine shop.
> Whenever they encounter bronze guides they clearance them.
> If it doesnt get done, there is a danger of seizing.....which can get very
> hard on lifters and cams.
>
> Some engineering folks tell me that cast iron guides provide superior
> performance.
> And say that bronze cause more heat/friction/wear......................
>
> This and observing various failures over the years caused me change.
> Certainly it is the right decision for me.
>
> Others may have a different conclusion and I would invite them to discuss on
> this list.
>
> I have long suspected that there have been a lot of failures attributed to
> 'soft lifters', and faulty cams, when it may have been caused by seizing of
> valves or severe drag in bronze guides.
>
> Thanks for asking Ted.   It seems like it is an important subject for this
> list.
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tedsimx<tedsimx at bright.net>
> To: n197tr4<n197tr4 at cs.com>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 8:54 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.
>
>
> Why don't you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?  Ted
>
>
> Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> To: lang at isis.mit.edu,  JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 21:16:11 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.
>
>
>   Use of bronze guides is or can be an issue here.
>
> ESPECIALLY those not properly clearanced.
>
> It ALSO seems that cast iron guides are 'slippery' while bronze can create
> added friction and wear.
>
> We dont use bronze guides anymore.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>


-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US&  Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov  3 11:01:38 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 14:01:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <4EB2D1D0.9050200@bright.net>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com><013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com><9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>
	<8CE67BBC7EB878E-FD0-145A5E@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com>
	<2ae8faca-232d-4890-b510-4ad40f846447@blur>
	<8CE684338A8E3D7-654-6868B@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CE6845D8365DBA-654-68BA1@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CE6849B52CA5F1-654-692AC@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<4EB2D1D0.9050200@bright.net>
Message-ID: <8CE6869C4023649-654-6D239@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>

 yes, i would prefer quality lifters.

and we recondition lifters for ourselves

but your question was on bronze guides.

not using bronze guides gives us one less thing to be concerned about.






-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Schumacher <tedtsimx at bright.net>
To: n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>; FOT <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 12:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES


Joe,the engine shop is correct. Bronze guides should always be
clearanced.  But that is an indictment on whom ever did the head, not
the guides themselves. For the past several years, lifter have been a
serious issue. We  used to bring in Spit/TR6/etc lifters, #143552 by the
hundered through theearly-mid'90's. Then they started to go down hill.
We have Rockwell checked new  lifters that have gone all the way down to
a 28. 39 - 41 is fairly common.Minimum hardness should be at least 55 or
greater.  There have been several fixes tried including using different
size lifters such as Ford.  Problem here is the lifter bore on a
Spit/TR6engine is at a 4.5 degree slant so boring it out correctly is
not easy(or inexpensive).  The most consistent lifter supply we have
found is reconditioning used lifters. They Rockwell test each lifter and
if it is a minimum of 55 and can be saved, it is reconditioned. We
rebuild a lot of heads and engines and new engine start-up procedure is
still the major factor in the equation.Ted




On 11/3/2011 9:12 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 8:25 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
>
>
>   FROM TED SCHUMACHER:
>
> Why dont you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?
>
>
> Ted,
>
> I discussed with highly regarded performance engine shop.
> Whenever they encounter bronze guides they clearance them.
> If it doesnt get done, there is a danger of seizing.....which can get very
> hard on lifters and cams.
>
> Some engineering folks tell me that cast iron guides provide superior
> performance.
> And say that bronze cause more heat/friction/wear......................
>
> This and observing various failures over the years caused me change.
> Certainly it is the right decision for me.
>
> Others may have a different conclusion and I would invite them to discuss
on
> this list.
>
> I have long suspected that there have been a lot of failures attributed to
> 'soft lifters', and faulty cams, when it may have been caused by seizing of
> valves or severe drag in bronze guides.
>
> Thanks for asking Ted.   It seems like it is an important subject for this
> list.
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tedsimx<tedsimx at bright.net>
> To: n197tr4<n197tr4 at cs.com>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 8:54 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.
>
>
> Why don't you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?  Ted
>
>
> Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> To: lang at isis.mit.edu,  JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 21:16:11 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.
>
>
>   Use of bronze guides is or can be an issue here.
>
> ESPECIALLY those not properly clearanced.
>
> It ALSO seems that cast iron guides are 'slippery' while bronze can create
> added friction and wear.
>
> We dont use bronze guides anymore.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>
>
>


--
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US&  Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022

From cofrog at q.com  Thu Nov  3 13:06:13 2011
From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 16:06:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Valve Guides
In-Reply-To: <225817023.452311.1320350654737.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <70034964.452425.1320350773748.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com>

I see no advantage is using the bronze valve guides, especially considering the obvious down sides per Randall and Joe's input. Clearancing the bronze guides may be "common knowledge" to those having some experience with our motors but what of folks that have none? Even if a machine shop recognizes that bronze guides need clearancing would they assume the parts supplier were providing proper clearanced ones? I can see folks seeing the bronze units are more expensive and. they assume them to be superior to the iron ones. I've never seen any documentation from the suppliers of the bronze guides warning the buyer to modify their brand new parts before using them. 

I've run iron guides in the TR4 street car for years upon years w/o having to replace them and also run them in the TR4 race car which never has the mileage to wear them out anyway Too many pitfalls for no real gain over the stock ones. 

Dan Forgey 

From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Thu Nov  3 14:35:33 2011
From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 14:35:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com><013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com><9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.h
	scs.virginia.edu><Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu><8CE67BBC7EB878E-FD0-145A5E@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com><2ae8f
	aca-232d-4890-b510-4ad40f846447@blur><8CE684338A8E3D7-654-6868B@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com><8CE6845D8365DBA-654-68BA1@angweb-
	usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CE6849B52CA5F1-654-692AC@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <24F3AAADB19843A58423FD4ADE3CA24C@TER2>

We have found that Manganese-Bronze guides have greater "lubricity"  (are 
more slippery) and last longer while causing less wear of the valve stem 
than cast or "chilled" iron guides. The issue is clearance between the valve 
guide and the stem. The bronze guide material has a much greater coefficient 
of expansion than does iron. When an bronze guide is used in an iron head, 
as the head gets hot, the material of the guide wants to expand. It cannot 
expand outward because it is "captured" by the iron head all around it. 
Consequently it grows inward, reducing the clearance between the id. of the 
guide and the valve stem. We have had valves get stuck in bronze guides in 
iron TR head and others as well. The fix is the correct amount of clearance. 
In a TR-4 iron head, in a racing application, ie hard use, high 
temperatures, 5/16" stem inlet valves need .0015" to .002" stem to guide 
clearance, exhaust valves with 5/16" diameter stems need .002" to .0025" 
clearance. We DO NOT USE VALVE STEM SEALS. It is not necessary with even 
increased oil delivery to the valve gear.  We get much longer life out of 
the Manganese-Bronze guides than with any iron guides we have used and with 
these clearances you will not have any seizure problems.
                                                                             
                                    Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 7:12 AM
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive. now use of BRONZE GUIDES


> Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 8:25 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
>
>
> FROM TED SCHUMACHER:
>
> Why dont you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?
>
>
> Ted,
>
> I discussed with highly regarded performance engine shop.
> Whenever they encounter bronze guides they clearance them.
> If it doesnt get done, there is a danger of seizing.....which can get very
> hard on lifters and cams.
>
> Some engineering folks tell me that cast iron guides provide superior
> performance.
> And say that bronze cause more heat/friction/wear......................
>
> This and observing various failures over the years caused me change.
> Certainly it is the right decision for me.
>
> Others may have a different conclusion and I would invite them to discuss 
> on
> this list.
>
> I have long suspected that there have been a lot of failures attributed to
> 'soft lifters', and faulty cams, when it may have been caused by seizing 
> of
> valves or severe drag in bronze guides.
>
> Thanks for asking Ted.   It seems like it is an important subject for this
> list.
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tedsimx <tedsimx at bright.net>
> To: n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 8:54 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.
>
>
> Why don't you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?  Ted
>
>
> Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> To: lang at isis.mit.edu,  JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 21:16:11 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.
>
>
> Use of bronze guides is or can be an issue here.
>
> ESPECIALLY those not properly clearanced.
>
> It ALSO seems that cast iron guides are 'slippery' while bronze can create
> added friction and wear.
>
> We dont use bronze guides anymore.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Thu Nov  3 16:41:40 2011
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 16:41:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
In-Reply-To: <70034964.452425.1320350773748.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com>
References: <70034964.452425.1320350773748.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <1320363700.93920.YahooMailRC@web180602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for autocross, etc.  I would like to rip out
all 
of the stock wiring and install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
only need 
to service the following:

ignition switch
starter motor
electronic
ignition
altenator 
two radiator fans
three gauges
  temp
  volts
  oil
(manual)
kill switch

Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.

Thanks,
Jim

From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Nov  3 17:44:16 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 17:44:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
In-Reply-To: <1320363700.93920.YahooMailRC@web180602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <70034964.452425.1320350773748.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com>
	<1320363700.93920.YahooMailRC@web180602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FD701BF9C9D34B7B9608492A6CA85F84@Vista>

Make it up yourself.  Couldn't be all that hard!

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of sherry robyn
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:42 PM
To: triumph fot
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness

I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for autocross, etc.  I would like to rip out
all 
of the stock wiring and install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
only need 
to service the following:

ignition switch
starter motor
electronic
ignition
altenator 
two radiator fans
three gauges
  temp
  volts
  oil
(manual)
kill switch

Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.

Thanks,
Jim
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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Nov  3 18:48:57 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 18:48:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
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Jim...I say leave the harness in....unless you're going to make it road 
racer..The reason is: when the time comes to sell the car, it will have all 
of the necessary wiring for the street.
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: "'sherry robyn'" <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; "'triumph fot'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness


> Make it up yourself.  Couldn't be all that hard!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of sherry robyn
> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:42 PM
> To: triumph fot
> Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
>
> I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for autocross, etc.  I would like to rip 
> out
> all
> of the stock wiring and install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
> only need
> to service the following:
>
> ignition switch
> starter motor
> electronic
> ignition
> altenator
> two radiator fans
> three gauges
>  temp
>  volts
>  oil
> (manual)
> kill switch
>
> Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Nov  3 18:58:51 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 18:58:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <8CE6849B52CA5F1-654-692AC@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1320371931.23478.YahooMailClassic@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I agree with Greg's and Joe's findings 100%. We found that we had to clearence
them an extra .001 - .002". If not, the valves could stick. The problem seemed
to occur on fresh customer motors which only had a short break-in. One "6"
customer, after being told how to drive while putting the intial miles on the
engine, proceeded to blast out of the shop and could be heard going up the
highway ramp redlining through the gears. Within ten minutes he was back with
the engine having a terrible miss which turned out to be a bent pushrod. After
replacing the "faulty" part and readjusting the valves, he left, and could be
heard really breaking in his motor. Ten minutes later... another bent rod.
His was not the only engine to suffer our ignorance when we first started
using the bronze guides. It was always on fresh head jobs, and always as the
engine was going through warming up. I feel once the engine has reached temp
and everything has equalized the parts "get friendly" as they use to say.
JMTC
-Ed-  

--- On Thu, 11/3/11, n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:


From: n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive. now use of BRONZE GUIDES
To: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 9:12 AM


Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 8:25 am
Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES


FROM TED SCHUMACHER:

Why dont you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?


Ted,

I discussed with highly regarded performance engine shop.
Whenever they encounter bronze guides they clearance them.
If it doesnt get done, there is a danger of seizing.....which can get very
hard on lifters and cams.

Some engineering folks tell me that cast iron guides provide superior
performance.
And say that bronze cause more heat/friction/wear......................

This and observing various failures over the years caused me change.
Certainly it is the right decision for me.

Others may have a different conclusion and I would invite them to discuss on
this list.

I have long suspected that there have been a lot of failures attributed to
'soft lifters', and faulty cams, when it may have been caused by seizing of
valves or severe drag in bronze guides.

Thanks for asking Ted.   It seems like it is an important subject for this
list.

Joe Alexander







-----Original Message-----
From: tedsimx <tedsimx at bright.net>
To: n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 8:54 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.


Why don't you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?  Ted


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-----Original message-----

From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: lang at isis.mit.edu,  JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 21:16:11 GMT+00:00
Subject: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.


Use of bronze guides is or can be an issue here.

ESPECIALLY those not properly clearanced.

It ALSO seems that cast iron guides are 'slippery' while bronze can create
added friction and wear.

We dont use bronze guides anymore.
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From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Thu Nov  3 19:21:24 2011
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 19:21:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
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Thanks for the responses.

This car is an exSCCA racer from the ninties (in
Hawaii no less so it has its 
share of Bondo).  Also, what they didn't take
off I did.  It is highly unlikely 
that it will ever see the street again.

As
to me making the harness, I have definitely thought of that but my auto
electrics are OK but not wonderful.  Most elements I understand with no
problem 
but many times I am hazy on some of the details.  If I had a
schematic, I would 
have no problem.

Jim
To: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>;
sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; 
triumph fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, November 3, 2011 6:48:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated
electrical harness

Jim...I say leave the harness in....unless you're going to
make it road 
racer..The reason is: when the time comes to sell the car, it
will have all 
of the necessary wiring for the street.
RB
----- Original
Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: "'sherry robyn'"
<sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; "'triumph fot'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical
harness


> Make it up yourself.  Couldn't be all that hard!
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of sherry robyn
> Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:42 PM
> To: triumph fot
> Subject: [Fot]
Abbreviated electrical harness
>
> I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for
autocross, etc.  I would like to rip 
> out
> all
> of the stock wiring and
install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
> only need
> to service the
following:
>
> ignition switch
> starter motor
> electronic
> ignition
>
altenator
> two radiator fans
> three gauges
>  temp
>  volts
>  oil
>
(manual)
> kill switch
>
> Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.
>
>
Thanks,
> Jim
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Thu Nov  3 22:14:45 2011
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 00:14:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Brake Caliper Clearance
Message-ID: <2BBD413D-F9B1-4BF1-A58B-94BF9F7DE822@aol.com>

Tonight I was replacing my front brake pads to a higher performance version in
preparation for a track day and encountered problems with  the RH side.  I
attempted to do this in situ.  LH side went well with the shims and pads going
in ok.  LH side has been problematic.  The outer pad falls in but the inner
one won't go in.  Took the caliper off and manually pushed the pistons in.
That didn't help.  Upon closer inspection, the caliper is not centered with
the rotor.  Has anyone else had this problem?  Should I shim the caliper to
gain clearance?  It needs to be moved to the center of the car.  This is on a
'72 TR6.  Should I just have a brake shop take off .010 of the pad and be done
with it?

TIA
Sam Clark

From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Thu Nov  3 23:42:21 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:42:21 +1000
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b2Uc25OBFfHeUFQL0K0X+GfWGm7uB+6E7hw--8MM_kVtw@mail.gmail.com>

in our engine shop, we avoid bronze guides unless we really have to use
them such as with some specially coated titanium valves

cast iron guides last for a very long time under very arduous conditions

about the only OE manufacturer that I've seen that routinely uses a bronze
guide is M Benz, and they are a very special product and only used in some
of their engines

not all bronze guides are equal. we have encountered numerous grades. all
of them are notoriously difficult to size. we have special tooling to deal
with them.

there is an argument that some types of bronze guides can run lower
clearances and therfore improve heat transfer from valve stem to guide. i
have never seen any documented or visual proof of this .

IMHO, especially with older cars like TR's, they are mostly a marketing
fad, with unscrupulous vendors appealing to the 'go faster" set

Terry

From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net  Fri Nov  4 06:47:12 2011
From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 06:47:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
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----- Original Message ----
From: sherry
robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
To: RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>; Joe
Curry <spitlist at cox.net>; triumph fot 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu,
November 3, 2011 7:21:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
Thanks for the responses.

This car is an exSCCA racer from the ninties (in
Hawaii no less so it has its 
share of Bondo).  Also, what they didn't take
off I did.  It is highly unlikely 
that it will ever see the street again.

As
to me making the harness, I have definitely thought of that but my auto
electrics are OK but not wonderful.  Most elements I understand with no
problem 
but many times I am hazy on some of the details.  If I had a
schematic, I would 
have no problem.

Jim
To: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>;
sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; 
triumph fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, November 3, 2011 6:48:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated
electrical harness

Jim...I say leave the harness in....unless you're going to
make it road 
racer..The reason is: when the time comes to sell the car, it
will have all 
of the necessary wiring for the street.
RB
----- Original
Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: "'sherry robyn'"
<sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; "'triumph fot'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical
harness


> Make it up yourself.  Couldn't be all that hard!
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of sherry robyn
> Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:42 PM
> To: triumph fot
> Subject: [Fot]
Abbreviated electrical harness
>
> I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for
autocross, etc.  I would like to rip 
> out
> all
> of the stock wiring and
install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
> only need
> to service the
following:
>
> ignition switch
> starter motor
> electronic
> ignition
>
altenator
> two radiator fans
> three gauges
>  temp
>  volts
>  oil
>
(manual)
> kill switch
>
> Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.
>
>
Thanks,
> Jim
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Fri Nov  4 08:00:30 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:00:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
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I don't know if this would work for you, but what I did on my TR6 racecar
was take a decent harness and laid it on a bench and removed the wrapping.
I then proceeded to remove the unwanted wires and reuse wires for the
different functions such as fuel pump and ignition shutoff, electric fan
etc.
I then re-taped it and all the wires were the proper length and in the
proper places.  This was very easy and didn't take very long at all, and
since I was using the stock gauges, made it very easy.
Good luck,
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "sherry robyn" <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
To: "triumph fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:41 PM
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness


>I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for autocross, etc.  I would like to rip 
>out
> all
> of the stock wiring and install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
> only need
> to service the following:
>
> ignition switch
> starter motor
> electronic
> ignition
> altenator
> two radiator fans
> three gauges
>  temp
>  volts
>  oil
> (manual)
> kill switch
>
> Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Nov  4 08:04:50 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:04:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <2a680.60feec39.3be54f6d@aol.com>
References: <2a680.60feec39.3be54f6d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CE691A3BC0C3F8-2570-178BD2@webmail-d145.sysops.aol.com>

 Outstanding posts on this subject.

Thank you everyone.

RISK MANAGEMENT.....with the information made available, so far,  folks can
make a more intelligent decision about who they have do their heads and be
able to ask better questions.

Thanks again....keep the comments coming.   It's good to see the FOT LIST
alive and well.

It might be good to know the trusted source of the best bronze guides.

Joe A



-----Original Message-----
From: Gt6steve <Gt6steve at aol.com>
To: Gregmogdoc <Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>; n197tr4
<n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 9:23 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES



I was about to make a post very similar to Greg's posting.  I explored this
with my trusted machinist after watching several instances of stuck valves in
TR4 heads.  He explained that it was the silicon-bronze guides that were
causing all the trouble and recommended going to the manganese-bronze as Greg
has stated.  I've had no issues with that advice.  Knock on Wood ;-))
Steve



In a message dated 11/3/2011 3:37:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com writes:
We have   found that Manganese-Bronze guides have greater "lubricity"

From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Nov  4 08:39:30 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 10:39:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Brake Caliper Clearance
In-Reply-To: <2BBD413D-F9B1-4BF1-A58B-94BF9F7DE822@aol.com>
References: <2BBD413D-F9B1-4BF1-A58B-94BF9F7DE822@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111104153942.AAD9A187949@autox.team.net>

Sam, either solution will work - shim the caliper so that it's more 
centered or just have the pad shaved a little so it will go in.

Tony Drews

At 12:14 AM 11/4/2011, Sam Clark wrote:
>Tonight I was replacing my front brake pads to a higher performance version in
>preparation for a track day and encountered problems with  the RH side.  I
>attempted to do this in situ.  LH side went well with the shims and pads going
>in ok.  LH side has been problematic.  The outer pad falls in but the inner
>one won't go in.  Took the caliper off and manually pushed the pistons in.
>That didn't help.  Upon closer inspection, the caliper is not centered with
>the rotor.  Has anyone else had this problem?  Should I shim the caliper to
>gain clearance?  It needs to be moved to the center of the car.  This is on a
>'72 TR6.  Should I just have a brake shop take off .010 of the pad and be done
>with it?
>
>TIA
>Sam Clark

From ac at camoletti.ch  Fri Nov  4 09:47:43 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:47:43 +0100
Subject: [Fot] ZDDP
Message-ID: <002501cc9b11$797e6e60$6c7b4b20$@camoletti.ch>

In Europe there is as little, or even less ZDDP than in US. Oils sold in the
US are not sold in Europe and vice versa (example: Shell Rotella range is
very different)
Modern engines are designed to live without ZDDP, which is simply a very
high pressure additive, and our flat tappets engines were designed with and
for these oils with high ZDDP content.
I researched a lot last year and only a few brands explain the point. There
is MILLERS OIL in the UK, as one member pointed out. Then depending what
cam, tappets, spring pressures and set up you have, your engine can -more or
less- live without ZDDP.
I do not take a chance, I ordered Brad Penn from the US, and also Crane
break in additive to supplement European market oils!
Cheers!
Alex Camoletti

From ac at camoletti.ch  Fri Nov  4 09:47:43 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:47:43 +0100
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <8CE691A3BC0C3F8-2570-178BD2@webmail-d145.sysops.aol.com>
References: <2a680.60feec39.3be54f6d@aol.com>
	<8CE691A3BC0C3F8-2570-178BD2@webmail-d145.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <002601cc9b11$79c366a0$6d4a33e0$@camoletti.ch>

Moss sells in Europe aluminium-bronze guides in their TT range.
Clearance is 0.0035'' according to TR Enterprises in the UK, they use these.
Fitted in my (Tr3) head and reamed to 0.0033'', engine still on the bench so
no ROE (return of experience).
Any thoughts/comments?
Thank you and cheers!
Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de n197tr4 at cs.com
Envoyi : vendredi 4 novembre 2011 16:05
@ : Gt6steve at aol.com; Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com; fot at autox.team.net
Objet : [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES

 Outstanding posts on this subject.

Thank you everyone.

RISK MANAGEMENT.....with the information made available, so far,  folks can
make a more intelligent decision about who they have do their heads and be
able to ask better questions.

Thanks again....keep the comments coming.   It's good to see the FOT LIST
alive and well.

It might be good to know the trusted source of the best bronze guides.

Joe A



-----Original Message-----
From: Gt6steve <Gt6steve at aol.com>
To: Gregmogdoc <Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>;
n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 9:23 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES



I was about to make a post very similar to Greg's posting.  I explored this
with my trusted machinist after watching several instances of stuck valves
in
TR4 heads.  He explained that it was the silicon-bronze guides that were
causing all the trouble and recommended going to the manganese-bronze as
Greg has stated.  I've had no issues with that advice.  Knock on Wood ;-))
Steve



In a message dated 11/3/2011 3:37:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com writes:
We have   found that Manganese-Bronze guides have greater "lubricity"
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From jfrymark at aol.com  Fri Nov  4 10:19:04 2011
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 10:19:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wiring Harness
Message-ID: <A41C1795-86FA-4C59-BAAD-7FEE270A8952@aol.com>

If you don't want to make it yourself, check into Painless Performance  
harnesses at Summit Racing:

http://www.summitracing.com/search/Department/Ignitions-Electrical/Section/Electrical-Wiring/?Ns=Rank%7cAsc

Lots of options.

John Frymark

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri Nov  4 11:04:49 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 12:04:49 -0600
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <002601cc9b11$79c366a0$6d4a33e0$@camoletti.ch>
Message-ID: <20111104180943.A175F187646@autox.team.net>

I use bronze guides from BFE and clearance them to .003 - .004 with no
issues. The ones from British Frame & E are rounded on one end to help 
fuel/air & exhaust flow. I don't have problems with bronze guides
with the proper clearance. 
So, with iron guides can/should we run tighter clearances?

Jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Alexandre Camoletti
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 10:48 AM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; Gt6steve at aol.com; Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com;
fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES

Moss sells in Europe aluminium-bronze guides in their TT range.
Clearance is 0.0035'' according to TR Enterprises in the UK, they use these.
Fitted in my (Tr3) head and reamed to 0.0033'', engine still on the bench so
no ROE (return of experience).
Any thoughts/comments?
Thank you and cheers!
Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de n197tr4 at cs.com
Envoyi : vendredi 4 novembre 2011 16:05
@ : Gt6steve at aol.com; Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com; fot at autox.team.net
Objet : [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES

 Outstanding posts on this subject.

Thank you everyone.

RISK MANAGEMENT.....with the information made available, so far,  folks can
make a more intelligent decision about who they have do their heads and be
able to ask better questions.

Thanks again....keep the comments coming.   It's good to see the FOT LIST
alive and well.

It might be good to know the trusted source of the best bronze guides.

Joe A



-----Original Message-----
From: Gt6steve <Gt6steve at aol.com>
To: Gregmogdoc <Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>;
n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 9:23 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES



I was about to make a post very similar to Greg's posting.  I explored this
with my trusted machinist after watching several instances of stuck valves
in
TR4 heads.  He explained that it was the silicon-bronze guides that were
causing all the trouble and recommended going to the manganese-bronze as
Greg has stated.  I've had no issues with that advice.  Knock on Wood ;-))
Steve



In a message dated 11/3/2011 3:37:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com writes:
We have   found that Manganese-Bronze guides have greater "lubricity"
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From John.Reed at wilson.com  Fri Nov  4 12:39:07 2011
From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:39:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <8CE691A3BC0C3F8-2570-178BD2@webmail-d145.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAD9A98B.8C14%John.Reed@wilson.com>

I've used bronze guides for many years, never a problem. Key is a trusted
machinist as Steve states. Mine has been building British race engines for
more than thirty years. He even tapered the guides for flow without even being
asked.
Now he is swamped prepping heads for Japanese cars.

John


On 11/4/11 10:04 AM, "Joe N197TR4" <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:

Outstanding posts on this subject.

Thank you everyone.

RISK MANAGEMENT.....with the information made available, so far,  folks can
make a more intelligent decision about who they have do their heads and be
able to ask better questions.

Thanks again....keep the comments coming.   It's good to see the FOT LIST
alive and well.

It might be good to know the trusted source of the best bronze guides.

Joe A



-----Original Message-----
From: Gt6steve <Gt6steve at aol.com>
To: Gregmogdoc <Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>; n197tr4
<n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 9:23 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES



I was about to make a post very similar to Greg's posting.  I explored this
with my trusted machinist after watching several instances of stuck valves in
TR4 heads.  He explained that it was the silicon-bronze guides that were
causing all the trouble and recommended going to the manganese-bronze as Greg
has stated.  I've had no issues with that advice.  Knock on Wood ;-))
Steve



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We have   found that Manganese-Bronze guides have greater "lubricity"
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Nov  4 13:21:25 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 20:21:25 +0000
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
Message-ID: <mailman.14.1320438102.2936.fot@autox.team.net>

For my part I put the main interest on reliability.

Even if the guids are proper made, if things going wrong bronze guids can make it worse.

Imagine that the engine loses coolant, the head heats up.
With a cast iron guide you drive until the water temp gauge is telling you.

Bronze guids might stuck the valves, bend pushrods and all the other bad stuff.

So I never had the feel doing any good to the engine with bronze guids.

Cheers
Chris

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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Fri Nov  4 13:56:00 2011
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 13:56:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Brake Caliper Clearance
In-Reply-To: <2BBD413D-F9B1-4BF1-A58B-94BF9F7DE822@aol.com>
References: <2BBD413D-F9B1-4BF1-A58B-94BF9F7DE822@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EB45160.3010204@comcast.net>

I've always run shims to center the caliper.  I've found that flat AN 
washers are perfect.

Jim Norl

On 11/3/2011 10:14 PM, Sam Clark wrote:
> Tonight I was replacing my front brake pads to a higher performance version in
> preparation for a track day and encountered problems with  the RH side.  I
> attempted to do this in situ.  LH side went well with the shims and pads going
> in ok.  LH side has been problematic.  The outer pad falls in but the inner
> one won't go in.  Took the caliper off and manually pushed the pistons in.
> That didn't help.  Upon closer inspection, the caliper is not centered with
> the rotor.  Has anyone else had this problem?  Should I shim the caliper to
> gain clearance?  It needs to be moved to the center of the car.  This is on a
> '72 TR6.  Should I just have a brake shop take off .010 of the pad and be done
> with it?
>
> TIA
> Sam Clark
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From pcdelux at verizon.net  Fri Nov  4 14:38:29 2011
From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 16:38:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Brake Caliper Clearance
References: <2BBD413D-F9B1-4BF1-A58B-94BF9F7DE822@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00db01cc9b3a$18470de0$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0>

Hello Sam,   It was definitely not unusual to find washers shimming the
caliper mounts from the factory. Yours probably got lost along the way.
Probably better than
pre-wearing each new set of pads.

Bill DeWar
NJTA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Clark" <trdoctor at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>; <triumphs at autox.team.net>; <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Brake Caliper Clearance


> Tonight I was replacing my front brake pads to a higher performance
version in
> preparation for a track day and encountered problems with  the RH side.  I
> attempted to do this in situ.  LH side went well with the shims and pads
going
> in ok.  LH side has been problematic.  The outer pad falls in but the
inner
> one won't go in.  Took the caliper off and manually pushed the pistons in.
> That didn't help.  Upon closer inspection, the caliper is not centered
with
> the rotor.  Has anyone else had this problem?  Should I shim the caliper
to
> gain clearance?  It needs to be moved to the center of the car.  This is
on a
> '72 TR6.  Should I just have a brake shop take off .010 of the pad and be
done
> with it?
>
> TIA
> Sam Clark
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From jibjib at att.net  Fri Nov  4 17:34:22 2011
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:34:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
In-Reply-To: <1320373284.83505.YahooMailRC@web180616.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <70034964.452425.1320350773748.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com><1320363700.93920.YahooMailRC@web180602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><FD701BF9C9D34B7B9608492A6CA85F84@Vista><3035099FCA8746BFB2B82AA6E7AD6A3C@Bud>
	<1320373284.83505.YahooMailRC@web180616.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3971A04EE5EB47FEAA17D99A0B55E338@EntCentPC>

Harness schematics

http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr24a.pdf
http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr24a.pdf

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of sherry robyn
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 7:21 PM
To: RACER BUD; Joe Curry; triumph fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness

Thanks for the responses.

This car is an exSCCA racer from the ninties (in
Hawaii no less so it has its 
share of Bondo).  Also, what they didn't take
off I did.  It is highly unlikely 
that it will ever see the street again.

As
to me making the harness, I have definitely thought of that but my auto
electrics are OK but not wonderful.  Most elements I understand with no
problem 
but many times I am hazy on some of the details.  If I had a
schematic, I would 
have no problem.

Jim
To: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>;
sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; 
triumph fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, November 3, 2011 6:48:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated
electrical harness

Jim...I say leave the harness in....unless you're going to
make it road 
racer..The reason is: when the time comes to sell the car, it
will have all 
of the necessary wiring for the street.
RB
----- Original
Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: "'sherry robyn'"
<sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; "'triumph fot'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical
harness


> Make it up yourself.  Couldn't be all that hard!
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of sherry robyn
> Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:42 PM
> To: triumph fot
> Subject: [Fot]
Abbreviated electrical harness
>
> I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for
autocross, etc.  I would like to rip 
> out
> all
> of the stock wiring and
install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
> only need
> to service the
following:
>
> ignition switch
> starter motor
> electronic
> ignition
>
altenator
> two radiator fans
> three gauges
>  temp
>  volts
>  oil
>
(manual)
> kill switch
>
> Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.
>
>
Thanks,
> Jim
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From jibjib at att.net  Fri Nov  4 18:51:18 2011
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:51:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
In-Reply-To: <3971A04EE5EB47FEAA17D99A0B55E338@EntCentPC>
References: <70034964.452425.1320350773748.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com><1320363700.93920.YahooMailRC@web180602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><FD701BF9C9D34B7B9608492A6CA85F84@Vista><3035099FCA8746BFB2B82AA6E7AD6A3C@Bud><1320373284.83505.YahooMailRC@web180616.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <C5026357843147499FC154DDC612F03B@EntCentPC>

Oops!
http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jack Brooks
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 5:34 PM
To: 'triumph fot'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness

Harness schematics

http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr24a.pdf
http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr24a.pdf

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of sherry robyn
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 7:21 PM
To: RACER BUD; Joe Curry; triumph fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness

Thanks for the responses.

This car is an exSCCA racer from the ninties (in
Hawaii no less so it has its 
share of Bondo).  Also, what they didn't take
off I did.  It is highly unlikely 
that it will ever see the street again.

As
to me making the harness, I have definitely thought of that but my auto
electrics are OK but not wonderful.  Most elements I understand with no
problem 
but many times I am hazy on some of the details.  If I had a
schematic, I would 
have no problem.

Jim
To: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>;
sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; 
triumph fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, November 3, 2011 6:48:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated
electrical harness

Jim...I say leave the harness in....unless you're going to
make it road 
racer..The reason is: when the time comes to sell the car, it
will have all 
of the necessary wiring for the street.
RB
----- Original
Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: "'sherry robyn'"
<sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; "'triumph fot'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical
harness


> Make it up yourself.  Couldn't be all that hard!
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of sherry robyn
> Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:42 PM
> To: triumph fot
> Subject: [Fot]
Abbreviated electrical harness
>
> I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for
autocross, etc.  I would like to rip 
> out
> all
> of the stock wiring and
install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
> only need
> to service the
following:
>
> ignition switch
> starter motor
> electronic
> ignition
>
altenator
> two radiator fans
> three gauges
>  temp
>  volts
>  oil
>
(manual)
> kill switch
>
> Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.
>
>
Thanks,
> Jim
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From kaskas at cox.net  Sat Nov  5 18:50:59 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 01:50:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <20111104211013.1E55D18798E@autox.team.net>
References: <20111104211013.1E55D18798E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W376C072A1CEFEB37523A35DFD80@phx.gbl>

I would like to hear and understand a good reason to use a guide that already
has shown probelms if not properly installed, what ever that is. WHY court
trouble?  The stock iron guides are cheap, work every time and are cheap with
no bad history.. (well, they used to be cheap.) Sorry bronze guide sellers,
but that is how it is.

Never be beaten by equipment
 > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; ac at camoletti.ch
> From: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 20:21:25 +0000
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
>
> For my part I put the main interest on reliability.
>
> Even if the guids are proper made, if things going wrong bronze guids can
make it worse.
>
> Imagine that the engine loses coolant, the head heats up.
> With a cast iron guide you drive until the water temp gauge is telling you.
>
> Bronze guids might stuck the valves, bend pushrods and all the other bad
stuff.
>
> So I never had the feel doing any good to the engine with bronze guids.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  6 06:12:32 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:12:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Message-ID: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great and
you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing to
me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a while?
Marty

From igofaster at att.net  Sun Nov  6 09:31:48 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:31:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
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to me.. the closed trailer is secure with all my stuff inside, plus I like to 
'camp out' when I go racing so my trailer converts to a small room. I carry a 
twin size mattress overhead in a rack I made similar to the same one I made to 
store my spare tires and wheels overhead. Plus I have a small fridge, a flat 
screen TV and all my camping and cooking accessories on some shelves I built. 
There's a roof top air conditioner, plus I have a nice roll around butane 
heater. Don't forget a smoke detector (carbon monoxide too, don't want to wake 
up dead). It makes it all self contained. I use the trailer for even storing and 
securing my track side roll around tool chest.

Personally, I like the camping out versus staying at the hotel, although it's 
not a $$$ issue... it's fun to see who's hanging around and the shenanigans in 
the track area after the gates close... yes, I even break out the acoustic 
guitar, pop a cap, and have been heard around the trailer singing and strumming 
at the moon... some say, it sounds like a cat getting nailed to the wall....   
sweeet...

call me, camped out at the track...

Bobby Whitehead   




________________________________
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, November 6, 2011 7:12:32 AM
Subject: [Fot] Trailers

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great and
you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing to
me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a while?
Marty
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Nov  6 10:10:46 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:10:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] MADMARX SEAL KITS-NORTH AMERICA
Message-ID: <8CE6ABE28868DCE-B40-1103A4@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>

I shipped out all outstanding orders and have now put together another five
kits.

This is the VITON SEAL KIT of the Christian Marx design.

The bottleneck is the scroll cores at the moment, so......

If you think you are going to need one, this would a good time to order.

VITON SEAL
MODIFIED SCROLL
CENTERING TOOL  if needed.
INSTALLATION GUIDE.

Regards,

Joe

From bownes at seiri.com  Sun Nov  6 10:30:26 2011
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:30:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
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	<1320597108.13284.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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I'm with Bobby on this one. Once I went to an enclosed trailer, I decided I
was never going back.

The ability to leave everything that normally only goes to the track in the
trailer when at home is a great advantage as well. Tires, quick jack,
radios, supplies, shoes, parts bins, generator, canopy, etc, etc, etc is
invaluable. When it is time to go to the track, I roll the car, tool boxes,
and a few other things into the trailer and leave. Many many hours of
packing saved.

Not to mention it makes a great extra 'garage space' to keep a car out of
sight ;)


On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net> wrote:

> to me.. the closed trailer is secure with all my stuff inside, plus I like
> to
> 'camp out' when I go racing so my trailer converts to a small room. I
> carry a
> twin size mattress overhead in a rack I made similar to the same one I
> made to
> store my spare tires and wheels overhead. Plus I have a small fridge, a
> flat
> screen TV and all my camping and cooking accessories on some shelves I
> built.
> There's a roof top air conditioner, plus I have a nice roll around butane
> heater. Don't forget a smoke detector (carbon monoxide too, don't want to
> wake
> up dead). It makes it all self contained. I use the trailer for even
> storing and
> securing my track side roll around tool chest.
>
> Personally, I like the camping out versus staying at the hotel, although
> it's
> not a $$$ issue... it's fun to see who's hanging around and the
> shenanigans in
> the track area after the gates close... yes, I even break out the acoustic
> guitar, pop a cap, and have been heard around the trailer singing and
> strumming
> at the moon... some say, it sounds like a cat getting nailed to the
> wall....
> sweeet...
>
> call me, camped out at the track...
>
> Bobby Whitehead
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, November 6, 2011 7:12:32 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Trailers
>
> I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum
> trailer
> with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great
> and
> you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
> securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty
> appealing to
> me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
> going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
> trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a
> while?
> Marty
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 10:30:18 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:30:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <FE40827E-F731-496C-8516-F33D6F51E35B@aol.com>

My friends have an enclosed trailer set up with bunks. It is like a little
home. Electric, paint, Insulated, cabinets, microwave, coffee pot, and sheets!
I believe it is a 22 foot, with a v- nose.  Tows nice and is a real pleasure
at the track. On the off season it is a good place to store the racer.

Just my opinion
Chris

On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:12 AM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum
trailer
> with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great
and
> you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
> securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing
to
> me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
> going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
> trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a
while?
> Marty
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From jaboruch at netzero.com  Sun Nov  6 10:51:22 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:51:22 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Message-ID: <20111106.125122.16781.1@webmail52.dca.untd.com>

Having started out with an open trailer and then moving up to a closed
trailer, the closed trailer is the way to go.  Tools and such can be securely
stored.  When it rains there is a dry place to change or just sit.  I started
out sleeping in mine, but my wife prefers the hotel, so we have not slept in
it for years.  Off season it is a place to store parts or a car.

You do need a tow vehicle capable of pulling the heavier closed trailer.  My
trailer (20' Haulmark)  is all steel and it is over 3000 pounds empty.  I had
an 85 chevy pickup with a 5.7 liter engine, when I first got this trailer and
it was not up to the task.  Moved up to a 96 chevy with a 6.5 diesel and it
had a hard time towing the trailer up hills.  Now have a 2007 chevy with a 6
liter gas engine and it does great.

If I had to do it over I would go with an aluminum closed trailer.  Joe(B)


---------- Original Message ----------
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:12:32 -0500

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great
and
you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing
to
me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a while?
Marty
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From jaboruch at netzero.com  Sun Nov  6 10:59:56 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:59:56 GMT
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
Message-ID: <20111106.125956.16781.2@webmail52.dca.untd.com>

I have been using bronze guides for about 15 years without a problem.  Just
need adequate clearances.  They are easy to machine and shape the way you
want.  I run seals on the intakes and machine the tops to fit the seal.  Got
them from BFE the last time that I bought them.   Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Enquiries Road & Track" <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:42:21 +1000

in our engine shop, we avoid bronze guides unless we really have to use
them such as with some specially coated titanium valves

cast iron guides last for a very long time under very arduous conditions

about the only OE manufacturer that I've seen that routinely uses a bronze
guide is M Benz, and they are a very special product and only used in some
of their engines

not all bronze guides are equal. we have encountered numerous grades. all
of them are notoriously difficult to size. we have special tooling to deal
with them.

there is an argument that some types of bronze guides can run lower
clearances and therfore improve heat transfer from valve stem to guide. i
have never seen any documented or visual proof of this .

IMHO, especially with older cars like TR's, they are mostly a marketing
fad, with unscrupulous vendors appealing to the 'go faster" set

Terry
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Nov  6 11:42:40 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 10:42:40 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
	<FE40827E-F731-496C-8516-F33D6F51E35B@aol.com>
Message-ID: <15426CA1A89B47B1BB3C4B07E59C6AF3@Bud>

I'm happy with my open trailer, but if i went to an enclosed one I'd lean 
towards a 'FUNRUNNER'..You roll the car out, and then the bunks, etc. are 
lowered into the space where the car was.
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "christopher bock" <SeaCubeCo at aol.com>
To: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailers


> My friends have an enclosed trailer set up with bunks. It is like a little
> home. Electric, paint, Insulated, cabinets, microwave, coffee pot, and 
> sheets!
> I believe it is a 22 foot, with a v- nose.  Tows nice and is a real 
> pleasure
> at the track. On the off season it is a good place to store the racer.
>
> Just my opinion
> Chris
>
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:12 AM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum
> trailer
>> with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is 
>> great
> and
>> you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
>> securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty 
>> appealing
> to
>> me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people 
>> were
>> going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter 
>> open
>> trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a
> while?
>> Marty
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From ac at camoletti.ch  Sun Nov  6 12:54:11 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:54:11 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <20111106.125122.16781.1@webmail52.dca.untd.com>
References: <20111106.125122.16781.1@webmail52.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <001501cc9cbd$dc077510$94165f30$@camoletti.ch>

What is the max speed on highways in the US when pulling a trailer?
Alex (from Europe)

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Joe Boruch
Envoyi : dimanche 6 novembre 2011 18:51
@ : trmarty at hotmail.com
Cc : fot at autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] Trailers

Having started out with an open trailer and then moving up to a closed
trailer, the closed trailer is the way to go.  Tools and such can be
securely stored.  When it rains there is a dry place to change or just sit.
I started out sleeping in mine, but my wife prefers the hotel, so we have
not slept in it for years.  Off season it is a place to store parts or a
car.

You do need a tow vehicle capable of pulling the heavier closed trailer.  My
trailer (20' Haulmark)  is all steel and it is over 3000 pounds empty.  I
had an 85 chevy pickup with a 5.7 liter engine, when I first got this
trailer and it was not up to the task.  Moved up to a 96 chevy with a 6.5
diesel and it had a hard time towing the trailer up hills.  Now have a 2007
chevy with a 6 liter gas engine and it does great.

If I had to do it over I would go with an aluminum closed trailer.  Joe(B)


---------- Original Message ----------
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:12:32 -0500

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great
and you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing
to me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people
were going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter
open trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a
while?
Marty
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From stocktontr4 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 12:59:42 2011
From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com (dick stockton)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:59:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
Message-ID: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks ago,
Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY

- Dick

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 13:13:48 2011
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:13:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Message-ID: <6329a.25ee934.3be8447c@aol.com>

I'm very happy with my enclosed trailer for all of the reasons  mentioned.
 
I recall one 300 mile trip home from Phoenix in a light drizzle all the  
way. When I got home the car was TOTALLY covered with a thick brown film from  
the wet desert roads!  I was still finding mud years later.
 
The downside of the enclosed trailers is that you're anonymous.  No  
conversations with truckers on the CB and no kids with their noses pressed to  the 
windows as they pass....
 
 
In a message dated 11/6/2011 11:17:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
budscars at comcast.net writes:

I'm  happy with my open trailer, but if i went to an enclosed one I'd lean  
towards a 'FUNRUNNER'..You roll the car out, and then the bunks, etc. are  
lowered into the space where the car was.
RB
----- Original Message  ----- 
From: "christopher bock" <SeaCubeCo at aol.com>
To: "marty  sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: "FOT"  <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 9:30  AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailers


> My friends have an enclosed  trailer set up with bunks. It is like a 
little
> home. Electric, paint,  Insulated, cabinets, microwave, coffee pot, and 
> sheets!
> I  believe it is a 22 foot, with a v- nose.  Tows nice and is a real  
> pleasure
> at the track. On the off season it is a good place  to store the racer.
>
> Just my opinion
>  Chris
>
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:12 AM, marty sukey  <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am kicking around the  idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum
> trailer
>> with  an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is 
>>  great
> and
>> you don't even know its back there. However  having everything closed up
>> securely and having that enclosed room  at the track sounds pretty 
>> appealing
> to
>> me.  Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people 
>>  were
>> going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the  lighter 
>> open
>> trailers. Any advice from those of you  who have been doing this for a
> while?
>> Marty
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Nov  6 13:45:28 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:45:28 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <001501cc9cbd$dc077510$94165f30$@camoletti.ch>
References: <20111106.125122.16781.1@webmail52.dca.untd.com>
	<001501cc9cbd$dc077510$94165f30$@camoletti.ch>
Message-ID: <0c0401cc9cc5$0526a1d0$0f73e570$@rr.com>

> What is the max speed on highways in the US when pulling a trailer?

I believe some areas allow as high as 75 mph (and likely won't write a
ticket for 80).

In California, trailers are limited to 55 mph, but I have been stopped while
towing at 75 mph and not gotten a ticket for speeding.  (Did get a written
warning for no seat belt, though.)

-- Randall 

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Nov  6 14:00:09 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:00:09 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <00f201cc9cc7$134c1540$39e43fc0$@com>

Fast race....very well defended against the Lotus.

Cheers
Chris

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Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von dick stockton
Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. November 2011 21:00
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Hi all,

Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks ago,
Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY

- Dick
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sun Nov  6 14:29:23 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:29:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <416D21ABDC394966A2B38A0735B0E0EF@owner8914bbf7f>

Hi Gang, I bought a new trailer in June '10. 8 1/2 x 20 enclosed with a V 
nose. All alunimum, weighs 2550 lbs. empty. With cabinets in the front. Very 
nice; I splurged a bit.
I built a fold down bunk in it. I prefer to stay at the track; one less 
thing to worry about. Besides, I like the atmosphere at the track. Just my 
preference.
I bought a new Ram 1500 last spring, with the Hemi. It has guts enough to 
tow up the side of a mountain, and as a daily driver gets 20 on the highway. 
(Probably more if I'd set the cruise lower than 73!)
I like the security of the enclosed trailer and like others, use it to store 
my race items in the winter. I have a dedicated set of tools that stays in 
the trailer; don't need to worry if I brought it with me. I tend to carry a 
lot of spares with me, but have helped quite a few guys get out of the crap 
over the last 5 years. That's also part of the fun of vintage racing.
Go ahead Marty, treat yourself! Your wife's reasonable!
Good luck with your decision.
Bill----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 8:12 AM
Subject: [Fot] Trailers


>I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum 
>trailer
> with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great 
> and
> you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
> securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty 
> appealing to
> me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
> going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
> trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a 
> while?
> Marty
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Nov  6 15:27:41 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:27:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <001501cc9cbd$dc077510$94165f30$@camoletti.ch>
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Depends on the state.  In Arizona I can drive 75 pulling my double deck
trailer but when I hit California, I have to slow down to something like 60.

Joe C.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Alexandre Camoletti
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 12:54 PM
To: 'Joe Boruch'; trmarty at hotmail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailers

What is the max speed on highways in the US when pulling a trailer?
Alex (from Europe)

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Joe Boruch
Envoyi : dimanche 6 novembre 2011 18:51
@ : trmarty at hotmail.com
Cc : fot at autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] Trailers

Having started out with an open trailer and then moving up to a closed
trailer, the closed trailer is the way to go.  Tools and such can be
securely stored.  When it rains there is a dry place to change or just sit.
I started out sleeping in mine, but my wife prefers the hotel, so we have
not slept in it for years.  Off season it is a place to store parts or a
car.

You do need a tow vehicle capable of pulling the heavier closed trailer.  My
trailer (20' Haulmark)  is all steel and it is over 3000 pounds empty.  I
had an 85 chevy pickup with a 5.7 liter engine, when I first got this
trailer and it was not up to the task.  Moved up to a 96 chevy with a 6.5
diesel and it had a hard time towing the trailer up hills.  Now have a 2007
chevy with a 6 liter gas engine and it does great.

If I had to do it over I would go with an aluminum closed trailer.  Joe(B)


---------- Original Message ----------
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:12:32 -0500

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great
and you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing
to me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people
were going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter
open trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a
while?
Marty
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Sun Nov  6 15:36:56 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 17:36:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
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Alex
Trailer max speed varies state to state. Most are at the legal limit 
some set the speed 5-10mph below the limit.
I haul trailers all over the country and most of Canada.
Glenn
Too Many TR'sOn 11/6/2011 3:45 PM, Randall wrote:
>> What is the max speed on highways in the US when pulling a trailer?
> I believe some areas allow as high as 75 mph (and likely won't write a
> ticket for 80).
>
> In California, trailers are limited to 55 mph, but I have been stopped while
> towing at 75 mph and not gotten a ticket for speeding.  (Did get a written
> warning for no seat belt, though.)
>
> -- Randall
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sun Nov  6 17:11:50 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 19:11:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers and mileage
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References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
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I have an enclosed 20' Vnose Worthington all-aluminum, which is great for all the reasons of convenience mentioned to date.  I currently tow with a 2010 Ford Expedition EL, and the previous tow vehicle was a 99 Suburban.  Two caveats - going from an open to closed trailer, you are going to want to switch to a load leveling/anti-sway hitch, unless you've got a monster tow vehicle.  Also, you are going to find your gas mileage drops like a stone vs the open trailer.  My Expedition, which gets 16+ mpg without a trailer, drops to 7-9 mpg with.  The 99 Suburban did the same.  Basically, you are towing a barn door, and the v-nose does not make much difference.  I had a 20' Haulmark steel trailer until it got stolen (happy day!) and the mileage was not much different from the aluminum V-nose.  Its all air resistance.

With the Expedition and the load-leveling hitch, the rig comfortably cruises at 70-75 and the trailer does not alter the driving experience much, unlike the 99, which let you know it was being steered from the rear all the time, but with an open trailer was pretty good.
So, I guess I'd take a hard look at your tow vehicle, so that you don't end up be unhappy with that aspect.

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From gasket.works at gte.net  Sun Nov  6 19:14:04 2011
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <15E80FFA-9A35-469B-87E2-24DC486A6DF9@gte.net>

Nice drive   ....  I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
attempted pass.  Thanks for sharing.  Gratefully only egos and metal
suffered.

Mordy



On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks ago,
> Enjoy.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
>
> - Dick
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From TRDoctor at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 21:02:14 2011
From: TRDoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:02:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures
Message-ID: <CF0ED9BD-EAAC-4B85-885A-EBEB4A90994D@aol.com>

All,
I am getting ready to do a couple of track days at Hallet this month and need
some advice on tire pressures.  On the TR6 I am running 205/70/VR15 Michelins
on Panasport wheels and slightly oversized tires on the GT6.  I have been
running them @ 30 psi all around.  Any suggestions on tire pressures for track
use?

Sam Clark

From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Nov  6 21:12:23 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:12:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Trailers and mileage
In-Reply-To: <A6E4A633-558A-403B-ABCD-8909086CFDF2@me.com>
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
	<A6E4A633-558A-403B-ABCD-8909086CFDF2@me.com>
Message-ID: <A360BAE638664FA89169A3148D197B8D@Vista>

Towing my open double deck trailer with two Spits on it behind my Avalanche
I get about 11 MPG.

Joe C.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 5:12 PM
To: marty sukey
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailers and mileage

I have an enclosed 20' Vnose Worthington all-aluminum, which is great for
all the reasons of convenience mentioned to date.  I currently tow with a
2010 Ford Expedition EL, and the previous tow vehicle was a 99 Suburban.
Two caveats - going from an open to closed trailer, you are going to want to
switch to a load leveling/anti-sway hitch, unless you've got a monster tow
vehicle.  Also, you are going to find your gas mileage drops like a stone vs
the open trailer.  My Expedition, which gets 16+ mpg without a trailer,
drops to 7-9 mpg with.  The 99 Suburban did the same.  Basically, you are
towing a barn door, and the v-nose does not make much difference.  I had a
20' Haulmark steel trailer until it got stolen (happy day!) and the mileage
was not much different from the aluminum V-nose.  Its all air resistance.

With the Expedition and the load-leveling hitch, the rig comfortably cruises
at 70-75 and the trailer does not alter the driving experience much, unlike
the 99, which let you know it was being steered from the rear all the time,
but with an open trailer was pretty good.
So, I guess I'd take a hard look at your tow vehicle, so that you don't end
up be unhappy with that aspect.

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Nov  6 23:37:59 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 00:37:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures
In-Reply-To: <CF0ED9BD-EAAC-4B85-885A-EBEB4A90994D@aol.com>
References: <CF0ED9BD-EAAC-4B85-885A-EBEB4A90994D@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111107063814.0031F187652@autox.team.net>

Sam, I'd probably start with the maximum pressure printed on the 
sides of the tires.

Tony

At 10:02 PM 11/6/2011, Sam Clark wrote:
>All,
>I am getting ready to do a couple of track days at Hallet this month and need
>some advice on tire pressures.  On the TR6 I am running 205/70/VR15 Michelins
>on Panasport wheels and slightly oversized tires on the GT6.  I have been
>running them @ 30 psi all around.  Any suggestions on tire pressures for track
>use?
>
>Sam Clark

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Nov  6 23:47:28 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 06:47:28 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures
Message-ID: <mailman.16.1320648461.2936.fot@autox.team.net>

As these are normal street tires I would run them on 32-34 psi.
High sidewall means high pressure in my opinion.

Cheers
Chris 
------Originalnachricht------
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Betreff: [Fot] Tire Pressures
Gesendet: 7. Nov. 2011 05:02

All,
I am getting ready to do a couple of track days at Hallet this month and need
some advice on tire pressures.  On the TR6 I am running 205/70/VR15 Michelins
on Panasport wheels and slightly oversized tires on the GT6.  I have been
running them @ 30 psi all around.  Any suggestions on tire pressures for track
use?

Sam Clark
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Mon Nov  7 00:56:57 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:56:57 +1000
Subject: [Fot] re use of BRONZE GUIDES
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b30CBNu5jyTPQb3EZfMnu5=tPuoQkTmwKBDK8-2SY3Heg@mail.gmail.com>

there has been a lot of comments on this subject, but very few facts

valves transfer about 30% of their heat across the stem to guide interface
into the head casting and eventually into the cooling water .

to achieve this, the clearance must be the absolute minimal possible

engines have slightly different valve stem to guide clearance requirements,
but as an indication for cast iron guides in an OHV engine, .001K to .003K
on intake and, and .002K to .004K for exhaust guides. Wear of about 0.0015"
is usually sufficient cause to reject them.

We often see cast iron guides with a lot more wear than this and the engine
still runs perfectly OK as a shopping cart, but not as a racer. The biggest
common problem with extreme guide wear is the valves no longer seat
reliably.

on the intake, the incoming air-fuel charge slightly cools the valve stem,
so you can run them with slightly lower clearances

on the exhaust, this does not happen, so they need to be "just loose
enough" not to sieze under extreme conditions they meet.

clearly, the objective in both cases is to absolutely minimize the
clearance. NOT maximize  it  or even worse, "add a bit for good
measure" because of a material specification issue.

In extreme cases, when valves are not shedding their heat, the engine can
be prone to detonation as the heads start glowing. These valves can often
be seen to have tiny cracks in the head

whilst i'm all for making mods that improve engine performance, and spend
most of my workling days doing just this, i really don't believe this is
one of them.

I'm glad another old racer like Kas has taken the same pragmatic view i
have, if it aint broke, don't fix it

Terry

From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  7 06:46:44 2011
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:46:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <15E80FFA-9A35-469B-87E2-24DC486A6DF9@gte.net>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<15E80FFA-9A35-469B-87E2-24DC486A6DF9@gte.net>
Message-ID: <SNT136-W4A3A7B4CF070D3FB417A4F9D90@phx.gbl>

Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?

Sam


> From: gasket.works at gte.net
> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
> To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>
> Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
> attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and metal
> suffered.
>
> Mordy
>
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks
ago,
> > Enjoy.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> >
> > - Dick
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From ac at camoletti.ch  Mon Nov  7 07:35:29 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:35:29 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <SNT136-W4A3A7B4CF070D3FB417A4F9D90@phx.gbl>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<15E80FFA-9A35-469B-87E2-24DC486A6DF9@gte.net>
	<SNT136-W4A3A7B4CF070D3FB417A4F9D90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002801cc9d5a$8022bf00$80683d00$@camoletti.ch>

Gents, is the Lotus at fault ? It seems to me the TR4 just followed the
inside radius and the Lotus went against as it tried to close the door?
Sorry it may be a newbie questions but the most I learn before going on the
track, the best it is!
Cheers!
Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Sam Halkias
Envoyi : lundi 7 novembre 2011 14:47
@ : Mordy Dunst; stocktontr4 at gmail.com
Cc : fot at autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?

Sam


> From: gasket.works at gte.net
> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
> To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>
> Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
> attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and metal
> suffered.
>
> Mordy
>
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
> > weeks
ago,
> > Enjoy.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> >
> > - Dick
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Nov  7 07:11:00 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:11:00 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
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You didn't tell them about your Jacuzzi...or the time at Hallett where way to
many electric heaters were hooked at one time. I was in a tent with only an
electric blanket so I was the canary in the coal mine, getting up repeatedly
to flip the breaker. I eventually disconnect a few random cords that were
headed in a direction of some MG's.


Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
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Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Bobby Whitehead
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:32 AM
To: marty sukey
Cc: FoT Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailers

to me.. the closed trailer is secure with all my stuff inside, plus I like to
'camp out' when I go racing so my trailer converts to a small room. I carry a
twin size mattress overhead in a rack I made similar to the same one I made to
store my spare tires and wheels overhead. Plus I have a small fridge, a flat
screen TV and all my camping and cooking accessories on some shelves I built.
There's a roof top air conditioner, plus I have a nice roll around butane
heater. Don't forget a smoke detector (carbon monoxide too, don't want to wake
up dead). It makes it all self contained. I use the trailer for even storing
and securing my track side roll around tool chest.

Personally, I like the camping out versus staying at the hotel, although it's
not a $$$ issue... it's fun to see who's hanging around and the shenanigans in
the track area after the gates close... yes, I even break out the acoustic
guitar, pop a cap, and have been heard around the trailer singing and
strumming
at the moon... some say, it sounds like a cat getting nailed to the wall....
sweeet...

call me, camped out at the track...

Bobby Whitehead




________________________________
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, November 6, 2011 7:12:32 AM
Subject: [Fot] Trailers

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great and
you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing to
me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a while?
Marty
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Mon Nov  7 07:45:23 2011
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (MARKANDGLENDA PENDERGRASS)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 06:45:23 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <SNT136-W4A3A7B4CF070D3FB417A4F9D90@phx.gbl>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<15E80FFA-9A35-469B-87E2-24DC486A6DF9@gte.net>
	<SNT136-W4A3A7B4CF070D3FB417A4F9D90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CACx-LfO63-deLR_SMX8oATPM5B79KzzE=iWoz0zKMX3K-Eu4Ag@mail.gmail.com>

Did that guy say, "whats the matter with you"?? That boy needs to look in
the mirror

Mark

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Sam Halkias <atr6racer at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?
>
> Sam
>
>
> > From: gasket.works at gte.net
> > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
> > To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> > CC: fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>  >
> > Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
> > attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and metal
> > suffered.
> >
> > Mordy
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks
> ago,
> > > Enjoy.
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> > >
> > > - Dick
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Mon Nov  7 08:03:52 2011
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 07:03:52 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Racing line.
In-Reply-To: <002801cc9d5a$8022bf00$80683d00$@camoletti.ch>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<15E80FFA-9A35-469B-87E2-24DC486A6DF9@gte.net>
	<SNT136-W4A3A7B4CF070D3FB417A4F9D90@phx.gbl>
	<002801cc9d5a$8022bf00$80683d00$@camoletti.ch>
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My racing vintage organization has a simple rule.  Overtaking car has the
responsibility of making a clean no contact pass.  Turning in on another car
like this in the "hopes" that the other car backs off could work.... But way
risky and way wrong.  Poor choice.....

M


On Nov 7, 2011, at 6:35 AM, "Alexandre Camoletti" <ac at camoletti.ch> wrote:

> Gents, is the Lotus at fault ? It seems to me the TR4 just followed the
> inside radius and the Lotus went against as it tried to close the door?
> Sorry it may be a newbie questions but the most I learn before going on the
> track, the best it is!
> Cheers!
> Alex
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
> part de Sam Halkias
> EnvoyC) : lundi 7 novembre 2011 14:47
> C : Mordy Dunst; stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> Cc : fot at autox.team.net
> Objet : Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>
> Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?
>
> Sam
>
>
>> From: gasket.works at gte.net
>> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
>> To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
>> CC: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>>
>> Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
>> attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and metal
>> suffered.
>>
>> Mordy
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
>>> weeks
> ago,
>>> Enjoy.
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
>>>
>>> - Dick
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Nov  7 08:39:01 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:39:01 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F05F9C8@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

I'm currently pulling a 28' Pace Shadow GT trailer with two TR4's inside with
my 2007 GMC 6.0 gas 4X4. I don't like it very much because most of the
benefits you all have listed aren't there for me. The math is two 2,000 lb.
cars, a 5,600 lb. trailer, and 10,000 lb. capacity, so with a couple of spare
tires in the trailer (let's not talk about tires) all the gear goes in the
pickup bed like it always did. The truck is GVWR'd at 10,700 I'm maxed out.
That makes it very hard on the truck.

I miss the thumbs up, honks and as someone said the kids noses pressed up
against the windows too. So when my son isn't racing I go back to the open
trailer.

On a more positive side it does free up two garage spaces.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


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out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of marty sukey
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:13 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Trailers

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great and
you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing to
me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a while?
Marty
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Nov  7 08:41:32 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:41:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
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On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:

> I'm very happy with my enclosed trailer for all of the reasons  mentioned.
>
> I recall one 300 mile trip home from Phoenix in a light drizzle all the
> way. When I got home the car was TOTALLY covered with a thick brown film from
> the wet desert roads!  I was still finding mud years later.
>
> The downside of the enclosed trailers is that you're anonymous.  No
> conversations with truckers on the CB and no kids with their noses pressed to  the
> windows as they pass....

Agreed on this one. You just gotta "sticker up" the trailer. Then everyone 
slows down to look at the driver of the rig when they're passing. :-)

Side bar, one of my favorite CB conversations ever was in 2001 driving to 
the SCCA Solo Nationals in an RV with a TR4 on an open trailer. 
Indianapolis, IN on I70 (I guess). We're just driving along and this woman 
with a very clear and proper English accent says simply: I say, is that a 
Triumph TR4?

We nearly drove off the road from the surprise. Turns out that she 
relocated to the US and was a cross country driver for a major moving 
company.

So, open trailers def. have certain up sides.

But in my book, the enclosed advantages all outweigh the open trailer 
thing except for storing the trailer itself. Enclosed trailers are a pain 
to store if oyu don't have a lot of space (or friends with lots of space).

To the topic: 20' Pace American Rally, 3000 pounds empty. I tow with a '99 
Chevy Express 3500 with a 5.7 engine and no tow package. This rig tows 
really nice indeed. Fuel economy is about 10 MPG with the car in the 
trailer... I've gotten more than 11 MPG with that setup, but since the 
switch to 10% ethanol, it's more like 9.5 - 10 mpg.

c ya,
rml
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Nov  7 08:57:41 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:57:41 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CACx-LfO63-deLR_SMX8oATPM5B79KzzE=iWoz0zKMX3K-Eu4Ag@mail.gmail.com>
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	<15E80FFA-9A35-469B-87E2-24DC486A6DF9@gte.net>
	<SNT136-W4A3A7B4CF070D3FB417A4F9D90@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F05FA0B@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

This is Jersey. It was more likely, "what's a matter for you"

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
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512-657-8526 Cell


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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of MARKANDGLENDA PENDERGRASS
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 8:45 AM
To: Sam Halkias
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Did that guy say, "whats the matter with you"?? That boy needs to look in the
mirror

Mark

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Sam Halkias <atr6racer at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?
>
> Sam
>
>
> > From: gasket.works at gte.net
> > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
> > To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> > CC: fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>  >
> > Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested
> > the attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and
> > metal suffered.
> >
> > Mordy
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
> > > weeks
> ago,
> > > Enjoy.
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> > >
> > > - Dick
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > fot at autox.team.net
> > >
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 09:09:11 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:09:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
Message-ID: <36e61.6259b723.3be95ca7@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/07/2011 9:17:35 AM Central Standard Time, 
ac at camoletti.ch writes:


> Gents, is the Lotus at fault? It seems to me the TR4 just followed the
> inside radius and the Lotus went against as it tried to close the door?
> Sorry it may be a newbie questions but the most I learn before going on 
> the
> track, the best it is!
> 

A good question, which might produce an interesting thread, and give all of 
us pause to consider what we can do to keep vintage racing safe.

Early on in so called 'vintage racing', in an effort to promote safety, and 
accommodate eclectic racing grids with a wide disparity of talent and 
horsepower, the race car whose nose hit the entry to a corner first 'owned' the 
line, and any car behind was expected to give up any attempt to pass in that 
corner.  I recall Bob Tullius commenting at an early event banquet at Road 
America that he felt all racing was dangerous, and 'vintage racing' should be 
limited to a 'high speed parade'.  Yeah...right.  Let's date naked but not 
touch anything.

Well, we all know that it is very difficult to only put it in a little.  In 
the heat of battle, the best of good intentions can go astray.  This is 
particularly true when experienced racers vintage race.  Both Dick Stockton and 
Denny Wilson are veteran racers, with loads of experience.  Here they were 
involved in a very hard fought race.  It is unfortunate, but not surprising 
that it might end with an unfortunate incident.

I would be very interested in knowing what action the Steward and/or 
Driver's Committee took as the result.  

>From what I can see in the video, Dick had a nose in front at the entry to 
the corner, and Denny seemed to out brake him, got the lead and was then 
going to follow a traditional line through the corner.  This includes going 
EXACTLY where Dick is going to go next.  'Well prepared' (read into that what 
you want) Lotus 7s and TRIUMPH TR4s are not equally nimble, nor are their 
brakes necessarily equal.  I am not surprised there was an incident as the 
result.

I think it was GREAT racing, and I enjoyed watching it.  It is unfortunate 
that there was an incident.  I like Mordy's take that it is great only egos 
and sheet metal got injured.

Bill Dentinger

From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 09:14:09 2011
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:14:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 It looks like you held your line and the guy didn't make a clean pass. What
did the stewards say about the altercation?
 
Mike

From: dick stockton
<stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011
1:59 PM
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Hi all,

Here is video from
the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks ago,
Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY

- Dick
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Mon Nov  7 09:47:42 2011
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:47:42 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Fot] Racing line.
Message-ID: <239432.1320684462349.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I didnt follow the original thread so apologies if this isnt news, but - 
SVRA charged the Lotus driver with causing the incident, as they should have.

There was no reason for his action but I'm sure his frustration with running behind for the whole race was pretty high.

Right up until then it was a spectacular race for those two.


-----Original Message-----
>From: Mordy <gasket.works at gte.net>
>Sent: Nov 7, 2011 10:03 AM
>To: Alexandre Camoletti <ac at camoletti.ch>
>Cc: "<fot at autox.team.net>" <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] Racing line.
>
>My racing vintage organization has a simple rule.  Overtaking car has the
>responsibility of making a clean no contact pass.  Turning in on another car
>like this in the "hopes" that the other car backs off could work.... But way
>risky and way wrong.  Poor choice.....
>
>M
>
>
>On Nov 7, 2011, at 6:35 AM, "Alexandre Camoletti" <ac at camoletti.ch> wrote:
>
>> Gents, is the Lotus at fault ? It seems to me the TR4 just followed the
>> inside radius and the Lotus went against as it tried to close the door?
>> Sorry it may be a newbie questions but the most I learn before going on the
>> track, the best it is!
>> Cheers!
>> Alex
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
>> part de Sam Halkias
>> EnvoyC) : lundi 7 novembre 2011 14:47
>> C : Mordy Dunst; stocktontr4 at gmail.com
>> Cc : fot at autox.team.net
>> Objet : Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>>
>> Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?
>>
>> Sam
>>
>>
>>> From: gasket.works at gte.net
>>> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
>>> To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
>>> CC: fot at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>>>
>>> Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
>>> attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and metal
>>> suffered.
>>>
>>> Mordy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
>>>> weeks
>> ago,
>>>> Enjoy.
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
>>>>
>>>> - Dick
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Nov  7 09:52:02 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:52:02 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
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	<639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F05F9C8@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
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And I forgot to mention, I can't get even 10 mpg with this rig.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
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-----Original Message-----
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Of Kramer, Robert
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:39 AM
To: marty sukey; FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailers

I'm currently pulling a 28' Pace Shadow GT trailer with two TR4's inside with
my 2007 GMC 6.0 gas 4X4. I don't like it very much because most of the
benefits you all have listed aren't there for me. The math is two 2,000 lb.
cars, a 5,600 lb. trailer, and 10,000 lb. capacity, so with a couple of spare
tires in the trailer (let's not talk about tires) all the gear goes in the
pickup bed like it always did. The truck is GVWR'd at 10,700 I'm maxed out.
That makes it very hard on the truck.

I miss the thumbs up, honks and as someone said the kids noses pressed up
against the windows too. So when my son isn't racing I go back to the open
trailer.

On a more positive side it does free up two garage spaces.

Bob Kramer
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Of marty sukey
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:13 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Trailers

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great and
you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing to
me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a while?
Marty
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Mon Nov  7 09:56:15 2011
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:56:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Message-ID: <380-220111117165615161@M2W131.mail2web.com>

I agree with the enclosed-trailer crowd to a point, but my one devil's
advocate remark is: Of all of the race rigs that have been stolen, how many
of them have been open trailers? In my experience, that number is zero.
Enclosed trailers are thief magnets, unfortunately.

We haul on open trailers just because we don't have the money or space for
an enclosed, and it's less of a load on the tow vehicle, but I really don't
regret any of it except the obvious fact that the poor car is out in the
rain/road muck if the weather turns bad. We love the thumbs-up and
pressed-noses (okay, so we get them anyway, as we usually haul with a shiny
1984 Airstream motor home), and it's easy to get to the car at any point.

Our favorite trip was hauling back from the 2001 Breckenridge VTR with the
newly acquired Amphicar project on an open trailer. So many people were so
interested in the car I had to print a fact sheet on it in large letters
and tape it to the front door. I can't tell you how many people came
alongside the car and read the sheet (I was following in Brad's Spitfire,
so I had a great view)--there were LOTS.

Just take precautions in parking and securing your enclosed trailer and you
should be fine.

Just my 2 cents!

Keep Triumphing,

Susan     :)


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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Mon Nov  7 09:55:56 2011
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 08:55:56 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111071033140.26247@isis.mit.edu>
References: <6329a.25ee934.3be8447c@aol.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111071033140.26247@isis.mit.edu>
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Thought I'd chime in here too.  I tow the Spitfire in a enclosed 20' 
Pace behind a 28' Winnebago.  It works great for the most part and 
allows us to stay at the track which we have always liked.  The average 
mileage drops about 2 mpg from 9.3 to 7.3 when towing.  Gotta drop a 
gear on hills and a strong headwind coming at a slight angle from the 
front (North Dakota) will drop the mileage even further and make the 
driving intense.    I shredded a rear tire on the trailer going to 
Laguna Seca last June for the Kastner Cup race and didn't even know it 
until someone pulled up beside me and waved and pointed.

From REK46 at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 10:54:18 2011
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:54:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Message-ID: <20098.30177c0a.3be9754a@aol.com>

I may as well throw in one food for thought too...I bought a 20' Haulmark  
enclosed tlr..Its great for all the aforementioned reasons...however,when i 
got  it I sold my open one which reduced the net outlay by $1000 at the 
time....great  then but have regretted selling the open tlr ever since because 
of the ease and  convenience of using it around town or hauling just about 
anything for myself or  friends/family. I wish I had kept it....try having a 
tow-motor load a used lathe  into your closed tlr...my ramp wont hold 
that...etc. etc., Rick
 
 
In a message dated 11/7/2011 12:27:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
norlinengineering at comcast.net writes:

Thought  I'd chime in here too.  I tow the Spitfire in a enclosed 20' 
Pace  behind a 28' Winnebago.  It works great for the most part and 
allows  us to stay at the track which we have always liked.  The average  
mileage drops about 2 mpg from 9.3 to 7.3 when towing.  Gotta drop a  
gear on hills and a strong headwind coming at a slight angle from the  
front (North Dakota) will drop the mileage even further and make the  
driving intense.    I shredded a rear tire on the trailer going  to 
Laguna Seca last June for the Kastner Cup race and didn't even know it  
until someone pulled up beside me and waved and  pointed.
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Nov  7 11:38:37 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:38:37 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
References: <20098.30177c0a.3be9754a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <273ED9FBD8A24C8CB41793BE8EB6250D@Bud>

There is a lot to be said for 'keeping it simple', and I don't have space to 
park a car hauler..My Spitfire fits onto my little trailer, and the whole 
thing backs into 1/2 of my normal size 2 car garage, leaving plenty of room 
to park my Miata.The trailer is open in the center, and is high enough so 
that I can comfortably do 'under the car' work while the car is still on the 
trailer(this works great for pulling a tranny at the track too)..
RB
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Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailers


>I may as well throw in one food for thought too...I bought a 20' Haulmark
> enclosed tlr..Its great for all the aforementioned reasons...however,when 
> i
> got  it I sold my open one which reduced the net outlay by $1000 at the
> time....great  then but have regretted selling the open tlr ever since 
> because
> of the ease and  convenience of using it around town or hauling just about
> anything for myself or  friends/family. I wish I had kept it....try having 
> a
> tow-motor load a used lathe  into your closed tlr...my ramp wont hold
> that...etc. etc., Rick
>
>
> In a message dated 11/7/2011 12:27:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> norlinengineering at comcast.net writes:
>
> Thought  I'd chime in here too.  I tow the Spitfire in a enclosed 20'
> Pace  behind a 28' Winnebago.  It works great for the most part and
> allows  us to stay at the track which we have always liked.  The average
> mileage drops about 2 mpg from 9.3 to 7.3 when towing.  Gotta drop a
> gear on hills and a strong headwind coming at a slight angle from the
> front (North Dakota) will drop the mileage even further and make the
> driving intense.    I shredded a rear tire on the trailer going  to
> Laguna Seca last June for the Kastner Cup race and didn't even know it
> until someone pulled up beside me and waved and  pointed.
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From bownes at seiri.com  Mon Nov  7 11:39:32 2011
From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:39:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
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Yup. That is exactly why I kept the open trailer too. Just try having the
forklift at the local scrap yard try to take the used up LeMons car out of the
24' Haulmark...



On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:54, REK46 at aol.com wrote:

> I may as well throw in one food for thought too...I bought a 20' Haulmark
> enclosed tlr..Its great for all the aforementioned reasons...however,when i
> got  it I sold my open one which reduced the net outlay by $1000 at the
> time....great  then but have regretted selling the open tlr ever since
because
> of the ease and  convenience of using it around town or hauling just about
> anything for myself or  friends/family. I wish I had kept it....try having a
> tow-motor load a used lathe  into your closed tlr...my ramp wont hold
> that...etc. etc., Rick
>
>
> In a message dated 11/7/2011 12:27:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> norlinengineering at comcast.net writes:
>
> Thought  I'd chime in here too.  I tow the Spitfire in a enclosed 20'
> Pace  behind a 28' Winnebago.  It works great for the most part and
> allows  us to stay at the track which we have always liked.  The average
> mileage drops about 2 mpg from 9.3 to 7.3 when towing.  Gotta drop a
> gear on hills and a strong headwind coming at a slight angle from the
> front (North Dakota) will drop the mileage even further and make the
> driving intense.    I shredded a rear tire on the trailer going  to
> Laguna Seca last June for the Kastner Cup race and didn't even know it
> until someone pulled up beside me and waved and  pointed.
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Nov  7 12:19:19 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:19:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
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I think that the same Lotus that finished 2nd behind a Sunbeam Tiger at the
VIR Gold Cup....

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Fast race....very well defended against the Lotus.

Cheers
Chris

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Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von dick stockton
Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. November 2011 21:00
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Hi all,

Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks ago,
Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY

- Dick
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Nov  7 12:25:45 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:25:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
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His Lotis is certainly painted the same color

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Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 8:47 AM
To: Mordy Dunst; stocktontr4 at gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?

Sam


> From: gasket.works at gte.net
> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
> To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>
> Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
> attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and metal
> suffered.
>
> Mordy
>
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
> > weeks
ago,
> > Enjoy.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> >
> > - Dick
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Nov  7 12:28:34 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:28:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
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In my humble opinion. Wilson was at fault.

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Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


Gents, is the Lotus at fault ? It seems to me the TR4 just followed the
inside radius and the Lotus went against as it tried to close the door?
Sorry it may be a newbie questions but the most I learn before going on the
track, the best it is! Cheers! Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Sam Halkias Envoyi : lundi 7 novembre 2011 14:47 @ : Mordy Dunst;
stocktontr4 at gmail.com Cc : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4
NJMP in car

Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?

Sam


> From: gasket.works at gte.net
> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
> To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>
> Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
> attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and metal
> suffered.
>
> Mordy
>
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
> > weeks
ago,
> > Enjoy.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> >
> > - Dick
> > _______________________________________________
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 12:34:42 2011
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:34:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fot Trailers
Message-ID: <1E31B480-A15A-4EBD-B0ED-0108B2C1ECA0@aol.com>

YEARS ago I purchased a "Tommy's" aluminum trailer which is an open trailer
with a "topper" on it.  It is an aluminum skeleton covered in a vinyl cover.
We pulled it to California in '93 with an'83 F-150 with a manual transmission
with OD in July.  We figured out pretty quick that we were going to have a
better tow rig.  It was like pulling a parachute.  We could not run the AC or
use the OD.  I was a long hot trip.  We bought a '95 F-350 with a 460 in it
and couldn't pass a gas station with it.  Bought a '97 F-350 Diesel and were
still not satisfied with it.  It just wouldn't pull.  Finally bought an early
'99 Power Stroke (with the cast iron engine) and we still have the same truck.
With a 4400 pound Jag XJS and not sway bars on the trailer we could run 80 mph
with the cruise and AC on.

From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Nov  7 14:25:57 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:25:57 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Trailers and mileage
In-Reply-To: <A6E4A633-558A-403B-ABCD-8909086CFDF2@me.com>
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
	<A6E4A633-558A-403B-ABCD-8909086CFDF2@me.com>
Message-ID: <4EB84CE5.6000203@pobox.com>

I don't think anyone has mentioned you can work on your car inside too.  
I'll never forget the cam swap we did at Mid Ohio in 2002.  I have an 
18' Haulmark with the slanted nose.  I believe the slant nose helps with 
the gas mileage, but unfortunately they no longer offer it.  I used to 
get about 9mpg with my 2000 Expedition.  I always wanted a diesel, but I 
didn't want to go to a 3/4 or 1 ton truck.  Unfortunately, no US maker 
puts a diesel in anything smaller, but the Germans do.  I replaced it 
with a BMW X5 3.0 TDI  which pulls stronger and gets 50% better 
mileage.  Ok, so it was a little pricey. As Scott said, it needs an 
anti-sway device.
Larry

From stocktontr4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 14:57:30 2011
From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com (dick stockton)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:57:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CA+1coLi8U5gviAGUb8FLT1xk3C3bomqOXuknHB3yqNbimbxR4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT120-W256AB7CEF31F3DBA52483DFD80@phx.gbl>
	<CA+1coLi8U5gviAGUb8FLT1xk3C3bomqOXuknHB3yqNbimbxR4w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+1coLi7SOwCdvvm1czSU2uj2tChBQRhRaa-yFVfceSiBkY9VQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

The driver was Denny Wilson. Stewards ruled in my favor and he was put on
probation. Thanks for the comments.

- Dick

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:52 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Kas,
>
> How have you been? This is my email address and I picked up a laptop.
> Still trying to figure this out.
>
> Dick
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
>
>>  Hey hey hey.  You joined the real world? Wonderful Dick. Is this your
>> address or are you on someone elses computer?
>>
>> Never be beaten by equipment
>>
>> > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:59:42 -0500
>> > From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
>> > To: fot at autox.team.net
>> > Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>>
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks
>> ago,
>> > Enjoy.
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
>> >
>> > - Dick
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > fot at autox.team.net
>> >
>> > http://www.fot-racing.com
>> >
>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Nov  7 15:47:27 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:47:27 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com><SNT120-W256AB7CEF31F3DBA52483DFD80@phx.gbl><CA+1coLi8U5gviAGUb8FLT1xk3C3bomqOXuknHB3yqNbimbxR4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+1coLi7SOwCdvvm1czSU2uj2tChBQRhRaa-yFVfceSiBkY9VQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <21056F070C314F0BB6BB101D17D6371C@Bud>

That's a Classic..The Lotus trys an outside pass, turns in on you, leaving 
you no place to go, and then..."What tha hell is tha matta with you?!"(:>)
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dick stockton" <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


> Hi all,
>
> The driver was Denny Wilson. Stewards ruled in my favor and he was put on
> probation. Thanks for the comments.
>
> - Dick
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:52 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Kas,
>>
>> How have you been? This is my email address and I picked up a laptop.
>> Still trying to figure this out.
>>
>> Dick
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>  Hey hey hey.  You joined the real world? Wonderful Dick. Is this your
>>> address or are you on someone elses computer?
>>>
>>> Never be beaten by equipment
>>>
>>> > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:59:42 -0500
>>> > From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
>>> > To: fot at autox.team.net
>>> > Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Hi all,
>>> >
>>> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks
>>> ago,
>>> > Enjoy.
>>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
>>> >
>>> > - Dick
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > fot at autox.team.net
>>> >
>>> > http://www.fot-racing.com
>>> >
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From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 16:04:22 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:04:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CA+1coLi7SOwCdvvm1czSU2uj2tChBQRhRaa-yFVfceSiBkY9VQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT120-W256AB7CEF31F3DBA52483DFD80@phx.gbl>
	<CA+1coLi8U5gviAGUb8FLT1xk3C3bomqOXuknHB3yqNbimbxR4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+1coLi7SOwCdvvm1czSU2uj2tChBQRhRaa-yFVfceSiBkY9VQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9O0YAWbh7M8gf+MFw7+sM6RKgvfOfHgMb2w=TSMR0Akng@mail.gmail.com>

Nice driving , Wilson and Butch McKenzie battled it out at VIR, really
surprised if Wilson stayed ahead.Great video Dick, thanks for sharing.

rob deanes

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:57 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The driver was Denny Wilson. Stewards ruled in my favor and he was put on
> probation. Thanks for the comments.
>
> - Dick
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:52 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Kas,
> >
> > How have you been? This is my email address and I picked up a laptop.
> > Still trying to figure this out.
> >
> > Dick
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >>  Hey hey hey.  You joined the real world? Wonderful Dick. Is this your
> >> address or are you on someone elses computer?
> >>
> >> Never be beaten by equipment
> >>
> >> > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:59:42 -0500
> >> > From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> >> > To: fot at autox.team.net
> >> > Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>  >>
> >> >
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks
> >> ago,
> >> > Enjoy.
> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> >> >
> >> > - Dick
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > fot at autox.team.net
> >> >
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Nov  7 16:39:57 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:39:57 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CAP9qD9O0YAWbh7M8gf+MFw7+sM6RKgvfOfHgMb2w=TSMR0Akng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT120-W256AB7CEF31F3DBA52483DFD80@phx.gbl>
	<CA+1coLi8U5gviAGUb8FLT1xk3C3bomqOXuknHB3yqNbimbxR4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+1coLi7SOwCdvvm1czSU2uj2tChBQRhRaa-yFVfceSiBkY9VQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP9qD9O0YAWbh7M8gf+MFw7+sM6RKgvfOfHgMb2w=TSMR0Akng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F05FF64@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

Did the Wilson histrionics remind anyone else of the Snoopy versus the Red
Barron cartoon they used to show at Christmas time? The Red Baron all in an
uproar? Put the last section of that video to the Royal Guardsman Classic:

After the turn of the century
In the clear blue skies over Germany
Came a roar and a thunder men had never heard
Like the scream and the sound of a big war bird
Up in the sky, a man in a plane
Baron von Richtofin was his name
Eighty men tried, and eighty men died
Now they're buried together on the countryside

Chorus:
Ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty or more
The Bloody Red Baron was rollin' out the score
Eighty men died tryin' to end that spree
Of the Bloody Red Baron of Germany

In the nick of time, a hero arose
A funny-looking dog with a big black nose
He flew into the sky to seek revenge
But the Baron shot him down--"Curses, foiled again!"

Now, Snoopy had sworn that he'd get that man
So he asked the Great Pumpkin for a new battle plan
He challenged the German to a real dogfight
While the Baron was laughing, he got him in his sight

That Bloody Red Baron was in a fix
He'd tried everything, but he'd run out of tricks
Snoopy fired once, and he fired twice
And that Bloody Red Baron went spinning out of sight

Talk about off topic :) I guess just in one of those good moods
today.............Snoopy can do that and I hope it lasts.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Robert Deanes
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 5:04 PM
To: dick stockton
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Nice driving , Wilson and Butch McKenzie battled it out at VIR, really
surprised if Wilson stayed ahead.Great video Dick, thanks for sharing.

rob deanes

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:57 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The driver was Denny Wilson. Stewards ruled in my favor and he was put
> on probation. Thanks for the comments.
>
> - Dick
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:52 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Kas,
> >
> > How have you been? This is my email address and I picked up a laptop.
> > Still trying to figure this out.
> >
> > Dick
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >>  Hey hey hey.  You joined the real world? Wonderful Dick. Is this
> >> your address or are you on someone elses computer?
> >>
> >> Never be beaten by equipment
> >>
> >> > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:59:42 -0500
> >> > From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> >> > To: fot at autox.team.net
> >> > Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>  >>
> >> >
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
> >> > weeks
> >> ago,
> >> > Enjoy.
> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> >> >
> >> > - Dick
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > fot at autox.team.net
> >> >
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> >> >
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From jfrymark at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 19:46:24 2011
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:46:24 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
Message-ID: <BB68CAC4-AAC5-401C-8B60-05F564E66FE6@aol.com>

I'm surprised nobody mentioned the start. I presume the Lotus had pole  
and controlled the start from the pace car. He just took off and  
didn't let the grid form up for the green flag. Maybe probation will  
allow the "red fog" to lift, but probably not.

John Frymark

From fpspitfire at comcast.net  Mon Nov  7 21:05:51 2011
From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (Aaron Johnson)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 04:05:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <BB68CAC4-AAC5-401C-8B60-05F564E66FE6@aol.com>
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I probably shouldn't get into this but.   You guys crack me up.

If I'm behind someone who gets that much wheel spin and that horrible of a rub
off the corner you can damn sure bet I'm going outside and going to drop down
a but to get the position yielded.

It is RACING after all.  If your supposed to just run behind, why flipping
bother

Aaron
#87 HP Spitfire 1500
Southern Illinois Region SCCA

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:46, John Frymark <jfrymarkoyls at aol.com> wrote:

> I'm surprised nobody mentioned the start. I presume the Lotus had pole and
controlled the start from the pace car. He just took off and didn't let the
grid form up for the green flag. Maybe probation will allow the "red fog" to
lift, but probably not.
>
> John Frymark
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 08:24:22 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 10:24:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
Message-ID: <ea08.12d5e3b5.3beaa3a6@aol.com>

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In a message dated 11/07/2011 10:23:30 PM Central Standard Time, 
fpspitfire at comcast.net writes:


> <<< I probably shouldn't get into this but. >>>
Right!
   <<< You guys crack me up. >>>
More likely the reverse is true.

Recall, we're watching a 'vintage' race.  Not NASCAR.  Not SCCA.

Bill Dentinger

From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Tue Nov  8 09:18:49 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:18:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
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Message-ID: <DF78C17D03A7477086703A2B392EAD48@gdhs.local>

Don't forget that Ceasar Cone and his Alfa beat McKenzie and was gaining on
Wilson at race end....

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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Robert Deanes
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 6:04 PM
To: dick stockton
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


Nice driving , Wilson and Butch McKenzie battled it out at VIR, really
surprised if Wilson stayed ahead.Great video Dick, thanks for sharing.

rob deanes

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:57 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The driver was Denny Wilson. Stewards ruled in my favor and he was put
> on probation. Thanks for the comments.
>
> - Dick
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:52 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Kas,
> >
> > How have you been? This is my email address and I picked up a
> > laptop. Still trying to figure this out.
> >
> > Dick
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >>  Hey hey hey.  You joined the real world? Wonderful Dick. Is this
> >> your address or are you on someone elses computer?
> >>
> >> Never be beaten by equipment
> >>
> >> > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:59:42 -0500
> >> > From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> >> > To: fot at autox.team.net
> >> > Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>  >>
> >> >
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
> >> > weeks
> >> ago,
> >> > Enjoy.
> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> >> >
> >> > - Dick
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Tue Nov  8 09:26:59 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:26:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <45CFFC59-7EAD-4FE8-8B52-9C7AA6C4B15C@comcast.net>
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Spoken like a true group 1 guy!

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


I probably shouldn't get into this but.   You guys crack me up.

If I'm behind someone who gets that much wheel spin and that horrible of a
rub off the corner you can damn sure bet I'm going outside and going to drop
down a but to get the position yielded.

It is RACING after all.  If your supposed to just run behind, why flipping
bother

Aaron
#87 HP Spitfire 1500
Southern Illinois Region SCCA

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:46, John Frymark <jfrymarkoyls at aol.com> wrote:

> I'm surprised nobody mentioned the start. I presume the Lotus had pole
> and
controlled the start from the pace car. He just took off and didn't let the
grid form up for the green flag. Maybe probation will allow the "red fog" to
lift, but probably not.
>
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Tue Nov  8 10:25:17 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:25:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
References: <BB68CAC4-AAC5-401C-8B60-05F564E66FE6@aol.com>
	<45CFFC59-7EAD-4FE8-8B52-9C7AA6C4B15C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <ECBC3B23C9AB448791CA842C33D31845@owner8914bbf7f>

I probably shouldn't get into this, but here goes:
This was a vintage race, not a regional or national. We don't have runoffs 
at the end of the year. We (most of us) do this for fun, and the friendships 
we develope. Not for a national championship or a trophy.
The vintage guys stress safety; it's a no-contact sport. Sometimes things do 
happen, but outward aggression on the track is not acceptable. The Lotus 
driver is on a 13 month probation.
Some vintage organizations tell you at the driver's meeting: if you REALLY 
need a trophy, they will give you one. If not , drive sensibly. And have 
fun.
At the W G Vintage race in Sept, I had a great race with a 356 Porsche. We 
both had a blast. Didn't matter who won. I talked to the driver of the 356 
after the race; we were both elated with the race. No trophy can ever be 
better than that feeling. And we were mid pack!-
Just my 2 cents worth.
Peace, Bill Tobin  SVRA & VRG Vintage driver---- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aaron Johnson" <fpspitfire at comcast.net>
To: "John Frymark" <jfrymark at aol.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


>I probably shouldn't get into this but.   You guys crack me up.
>
> If I'm behind someone who gets that much wheel spin and that horrible of a 
> rub
> off the corner you can damn sure bet I'm going outside and going to drop 
> down
> a but to get the position yielded.
>
> It is RACING after all.  If your supposed to just run behind, why flipping
> bother
>
> Aaron
> #87 HP Spitfire 1500
> Southern Illinois Region SCCA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:46, John Frymark <jfrymarkoyls at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm surprised nobody mentioned the start. I presume the Lotus had pole 
>> and
> controlled the start from the pace car. He just took off and didn't let 
> the
> grid form up for the green flag. Maybe probation will allow the "red fog" 
> to
> lift, but probably not.
>>
>> John Frymark
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Nov  8 10:43:56 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:43:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CE7E76878FB7477BB3DDD03B081B0BF1@gdhs.local>
Message-ID: <140100963.1668273.1320774236482.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Aaron,

Frankly turning down on Dick was a bonehead move, period. All he had to do was
hold the outside

next to dick until the exit at which time he would limit the amount Dick could
track out on exit, thus

forcing Dick to lift.

I would'nt have done something that stupid in the SCCA, for money. Nothing
ever good comes from

turning down on someone from the outside.

just my .02



Jim G



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To: "Aaron Johnson" <fpspitfire at comcast.net>, "John Frymark"
<jfrymark at aol.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:26:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Spoken like a true group 1 guy!

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


I probably shouldn't get into this but. B  You guys crack me up.

If I'm behind someone who gets that much wheel spin and that horrible of a
rub off the corner you can damn sure bet I'm going outside and going to drop
down a but to get the position yielded.

It is RACING after all. B If your supposed to just run behind, why flipping
bother

Aaron
#87 HP Spitfire 1500
Southern Illinois Region SCCA

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:46, John Frymark <jfrymarkoyls at aol.com> wrote:

> I'm surprised nobody mentioned the start. I presume the Lotus had pole
> and
controlled the start from the pace car. He just took off and didn't let the
grid form up for the green flag. Maybe probation will allow the "red fog" to
lift, but probably not.
>
> John Frymark
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From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Nov  8 11:25:00 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:25:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nilos hub seal
References: <C40FEF55-82FC-48E4-A928-1CACE7207CFB@REcatalyst.com>
Message-ID: <D289EA66-8418-47E2-8737-95EC6BD77C98@me.com>

Anyone have any experience using these as the inner bearing seal on front hubs?  I'm thinking about using them to replace the felt seals on my GT6 that leak and fall apart every time I disassemble the hubs.

From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Nov  8 11:27:58 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 10:27:58 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
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	<ECBC3B23C9AB448791CA842C33D31845@owner8914bbf7f>
Message-ID: <35BEF30646B24FCCBB718DDDC6C18070@Bud>

To Bill Tobin, Aaron, and all....

I'm in total agreement with Bill...Vintage racing is different from present 
day SCCA racing, although not a lot different from SCCA in the 1960s, where 
we were expected to race clean and make clean passes....One of the things I 
like the most about racing in vintage is the 'decision making' 
process'...being able to make a split-second decision about a pass, knowing 
that it HAS TO BE a clean pass, not just Hoping that it's a clean pass..
Racer Bud..Spitfire #21
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From: "william r tobin" <william.tobin31 at verizon.net>
To: "Aaron Johnson" <fpspitfire at comcast.net>; "John Frymark" 
<jfrymark at aol.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


>I probably shouldn't get into this, but here goes:
> This was a vintage race, not a regional or national. We don't have runoffs 
> at the end of the year. We (most of us) do this for fun, and the 
> friendships we develope. Not for a national championship or a trophy.
> The vintage guys stress safety; it's a no-contact sport. Sometimes things 
> do happen, but outward aggression on the track is not acceptable. The 
> Lotus driver is on a 13 month probation.
> Some vintage organizations tell you at the driver's meeting: if you REALLY 
> need a trophy, they will give you one. If not , drive sensibly. And have 
> fun.
> At the W G Vintage race in Sept, I had a great race with a 356 Porsche. We 
> both had a blast. Didn't matter who won. I talked to the driver of the 356 
> after the race; we were both elated with the race. No trophy can ever be 
> better than that feeling. And we were mid pack!-
> Just my 2 cents worth.
> Peace, Bill Tobin  SVRA & VRG Vintage driver---- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Aaron Johnson" <fpspitfire at comcast.net>
> To: "John Frymark" <jfrymark at aol.com>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>
>
>>I probably shouldn't get into this but.   You guys crack me up.
>>
>> If I'm behind someone who gets that much wheel spin and that horrible of 
>> a rub
>> off the corner you can damn sure bet I'm going outside and going to drop 
>> down
>> a but to get the position yielded.
>>
>> It is RACING after all.  If your supposed to just run behind, why 
>> flipping
>> bother
>>
>> Aaron
>> #87 HP Spitfire 1500
>> Southern Illinois Region SCCA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:46, John Frymark <jfrymarkoyls at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm surprised nobody mentioned the start. I presume the Lotus had pole 
>>> and
>> controlled the start from the pace car. He just took off and didn't let 
>> the
>> grid form up for the green flag. Maybe probation will allow the "red fog" 
>> to
>> lift, but probably not.
>>>
>>> John Frymark
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 12:50:40 2011
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:50:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Barber video
Message-ID: <1320781840.50808.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

While we are sharing videos. Here is this years race at the beautiful Barber
Motorsports Park in Birmingham, Alabama.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksdV3rdLzHk
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KICAEQJz47Y
 
Mike

From chasgee at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 15:38:23 2011
From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:38:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Nilos hub seal
In-Reply-To: <D289EA66-8418-47E2-8737-95EC6BD77C98@me.com>
References: <C40FEF55-82FC-48E4-A928-1CACE7207CFB@REcatalyst.com>
	<D289EA66-8418-47E2-8737-95EC6BD77C98@me.com>
Message-ID: <8CE6C7E41AC741A-5E8-13963A@Webmail-m119.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Scott,

Take a look at Kas's latest book.  I used these on my GT6 and they work well.
I think Steve Smith also uses them.  Dave Bean Engineering sells the set
(inner and outer seals and other hardware for both sides) for use on Formula
Fords and Lotii.  Just specify the GT6 size when you talk to them.

In case you don't have their contact info, you can find it here:
http://www.davebean.com/

Chuck


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To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:43 am
Subject: [Fot] Nilos hub seal


Anyone have any experience using these as the inner bearing seal on front
hubs?
'm thinking about using them to replace the felt seals on my GT6 that leak and
all apart every time I disassemble the hubs.
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  9 04:28:36 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:28:36 +0100
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure
References: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com> 
Message-ID: <002001cc9ed2$bb659820$3230c860$@com>

Update:

After the hardening I can report some success!!
The teeth show NO wear anymore.
The contacting surface is glossy polished but no marks of teeth digging
into.

>From my point of view it should be advisable to plasma nitrate harden the
gear wheel to a depth of 0,2 mm.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Oktober 2011 16:10
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure

I would like to give an update:

I did a hardness check on the distributor gear:

HRC 38 to 43 (stock)
After plasma nitrating
48 - 54 HRC

So the surface is now harder and I'll report how the gear will behave.

Cheers
Chris

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Nov  9 06:16:52 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 08:16:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <002001cc9ed2$bb659820$3230c860$@com>
References: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com> 
	<002001cc9ed2$bb659820$3230c860$@com>
Message-ID: <8CE6CF8FADFF473-EE4-1EB9D7@webmail-m153.sysops.aol.com>

 Chris,

Is this OEM gear or aftermarket?....if there is an aftermarket offering.

What about hardening the mating gear?

Great to see the FOT LIST alive with valuable information.





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From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 5:50 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure


Update:

After the hardening I can report some success!!
The teeth show NO wear anymore.
The contacting surface is glossy polished but no marks of teeth digging
into.

>From my point of view it should be advisable to plasma nitrate harden the
gear wheel to a depth of 0,2 mm.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Oktober 2011 16:10
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure

I would like to give an update:

I did a hardness check on the distributor gear:

HRC 38 to 43 (stock)
After plasma nitrating
48 - 54 HRC

So the surface is now harder and I'll report how the gear will behave.

Cheers
Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  9 07:29:54 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:29:54 +0100
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <8CE6CF8FADFF473-EE4-1EB9D7@webmail-m153.sysops.aol.com>
References: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com> 
	<002001cc9ed2$bb659820$3230c860$@com>
	<8CE6CF8FADFF473-EE4-1EB9D7@webmail-m153.sysops.aol.com>
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Hi Joe,



it is a stock gear as far I know no aftermarket gear was made til now but
there will be in short future.



The mating gear was hardened too.



The whole story:

I got Larrys cam and let it nitrate harden. Then after each race I checked
the gears and found wear from the first race on.

After the 3H race at the ring I replaced the gear with the hardened one.



Cheers

Chris



Von: n197tr4 at cs.com [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. November 2011 14:17
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure



Chris,

Is this OEM gear or aftermarket?....if there is an aftermarket offering.

What about hardening the mating gear?

Great to see the FOT LIST alive with valuable information.





-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 5:50 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure

Update:

After the hardening I can report some success!!
The teeth show NO wear anymore.
The contacting surface is glossy polished but no marks of teeth digging
into.

>From my point of view it should be advisable to plasma nitrate harden the
gear wheel to a depth of 0,2 mm.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com
<mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com?> ]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Oktober 2011 16:10
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure

I would like to give an update:

I did a hardness check on the distributor gear:

HRC 38 to 43 (stock)
After plasma nitrating
48 - 54 HRC

So the surface is now harder and I'll report how the gear will behave.

Cheers
Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  9 08:47:48 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:47:48 +0100
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <8CE6CF8FADFF473-EE4-1EB9D7@webmail-m153.sysops.aol.com>
References: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com> 
	<002001cc9ed2$bb659820$3230c860$@com>
	<8CE6CF8FADFF473-EE4-1EB9D7@webmail-m153.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <009601cc9ef6$f0da17f0$d28e47d0$@com>

Like a photo?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dH1-jrzKEoY/TrqgElC6XhI/AAAAAAAABDQ/pqko8
X55UGU/s720/DSC02315.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-m8_mK2EWZHw/TrqgMm20cgI/AAAAAAAABDU/wuqdX
U_5zpQ/s720/DSC02316.JPG

 

 

Von: n197tr4 at cs.com [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. November 2011 14:17
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure

 

Chris,

Is this OEM gear or aftermarket?....if there is an aftermarket offering.

What about hardening the mating gear?

Great to see the FOT LIST alive with valuable information.

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 5:50 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure

Update:
 
After the hardening I can report some success!!
The teeth show NO wear anymore.
The contacting surface is glossy polished but no marks of teeth digging
into.
 
>From my point of view it should be advisable to plasma nitrate harden the
gear wheel to a depth of 0,2 mm.
 
Cheers
Chris
 
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<mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com?> ]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Oktober 2011 16:10
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure
 
I would like to give an update:
 
I did a hardness check on the distributor gear:
 
HRC 38 to 43 (stock)
After plasma nitrating
48 - 54 HRC
 
So the surface is now harder and I'll report how the gear will behave.
 
Cheers
Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Nov 10 06:48:54 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:48:54 +0100
Subject: [Fot] funny
In-Reply-To: <6F54ED51-9FA9-4901-A2C4-0062F0A1CBF9@virgin.net>
References: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com>
	<002001cc9ed2$bb659820$3230c860$@com>
	<4A401780-E207-43C6-AB0B-D75567A71BB9@virgin.net>
	<009201cc9ef6$6ff48120$4fdd8360$@com>
	<6F54ED51-9FA9-4901-A2C4-0062F0A1CBF9@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <001d01cc9faf$7eceff90$7c6cfeb0$@com>

Homemade music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfuP6DVOK_0&feature=relmfu

Cheers
Chris 

From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 10:05:21 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:05:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] testing
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9NBo3zUc9+x3746XFht1se1Mus2otW-rnQNWibGubHHQA@mail.gmail.com>

1-2-3

-- 
rob deanes
TR Racer

From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 05:51:37 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:51:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SCCA Racers
In-Reply-To: <CAP9qD9MWaET3N=DVmTzPFsjH_q3sM3xR06+n7Rjw-isaFC+PpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP9qD9MWaET3N=DVmTzPFsjH_q3sM3xR06+n7Rjw-isaFC+PpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9MC0BCDEnZdNkSUjKRWL=tC9KH356Pgxasbm8OBR6aaxA@mail.gmail.com>

Subject: SCCA Racers

Don't know if any of you get the SCCA SportsCar magazine but there is Sam
Halkias pictures racing in back to back issues...nice shots and Steve
Sargis in his Spitfire with 2011 Triple Crown at Chicago in the new
issue....way to go guys...as someone once said..." the shape of things
still here".....you guys battling in SCCA make me proud in vintage
racing..to know that our cars can still win against the newer cars....keep
up the good work.

 rob deanes
TR-4 Racer




-- 
second sending 10 hrs later

From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 17:36:58 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:36:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Racers
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9MWaET3N=DVmTzPFsjH_q3sM3xR06+n7Rjw-isaFC+PpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Don't know if any of you get the SCCA SportsCar magazine but there is Sam
Halkias pictures racing in back to back issues...nice shots and Steve
Sargis in his Spitfire with 2011 Triple Crown at Chicago in the new
issue....way to go guys...as someone once said..." the shape of things
still here".....you guys battling in SCCA make me proud in vintage
racing..to know that our cars can still win against the newer cars....keep
up the good work.

 rob deanes
TR-4 Racer

From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Thu Nov 10 22:18:21 2011
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:18:21 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure
References: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com>
	<002001cc9ed2$bb659820$3230c860$@com>
	<8CE6CF8FADFF473-EE4-1EB9D7@webmail-m153.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <DCB6D1CAF77A4A45899F056A8DDE49DD@your89d26e0447>

Max,
    Did you check the hardness of the gear on the camshaft?
                                                                             
                        Greg Solow 

From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Fri Nov 11 06:08:36 2011
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:08:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <C22F4A3F0AA3EA488D30A42FC8A4817639B22A2977@DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local>

Joe,

Got the Spitfire engine plate but haven't ever got a bill form you to get you
paid. Please send it.
info at dieselperformanceparts.com<mailto:inf0 at dieselperformanceparts.com>
thanks!

Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax

www.dieselperformanceparts.com

From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 11 08:42:58 2011
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:42:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] 11.11.11
Message-ID: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

happy Veteran's Day

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Nov 11 08:45:24 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:45:24 +0100
Subject: [Fot] 11.11.11
In-Reply-To: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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And start of the 5th yearly season....the Carnival season in Germany :-)

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Auftrag von Ernest Husmann
Gesendet: Freitag, 11. November 2011 16:43
An: FOT
Betreff: [Fot] 11.11.11

happy Veteran's Day
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From bownes at seiri.com  Fri Nov 11 08:48:17 2011
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:48:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 11.11.11
In-Reply-To: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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And a thanks to all the veterans.

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>wrote:

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Nov 11 10:16:41 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:16:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] MACAU REPLICA PROJECT IN CANADA
In-Reply-To: <000301cca093$03790040$0a6b00c0$@net>
References: <542c4.56bf3981.3a4a1a5d@cs.com>
	<000301cca093$03790040$0a6b00c0$@net>
Message-ID: <8CE6EACD07EDC8E-122C-24049@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com>

 FOT,

Anyone around the world have any source of parts for a MACAU replica?

A rear alloy wing specifically.

Seems like a worthy project.

Contact information included here.

Joe Alexander





-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Tanguay <tanguay at telus.net>
To: N197TR4 <N197TR4 at cs.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 11, 2011 10:57 am
Subject: RE: A.R.E.   Quote


Hello Joe
It has been an extremely busy year for me and I am sure for you as well.
I am finally getting back to my Macau replica project. Some of my other
alloy panels arrived from the UK in the summer from Canely Classics and
other places.
I am only going to take the alloy panels as far as the outer skin due to the
fact that it is now near impossible to find the firewall and inner structure
in alloy panels anymore. The only exterior panel I am missing is the UK
Driver's side (our passenger side) Rear alloy wing.
I am swapping the driver's side to that of the original Macau, the UK side.

In your travels or your connections would you know of anyone with an extra
rear alloy wing that they would be willing to part with?
Would Kas know anyone either? Please let me know either way so I am not
pestering you.


Kind Regards
Ken Tanguay
574 HAZELWOOD PLACE
QUALICUM BEACH, BC
V9K 1A1
CANADA
Ph: 250 752 1920

From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Nov 11 10:21:22 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:21:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: Old Time Motorcycles
Message-ID: <2D1557E65BD94DEFAA2B881606540888@gdhs.local>

Don't know if any of you all are or ever were into motorcycles, but here are
some great pics of historical ones.



John H. Hasty
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gene trobaugh [mailto:gene at benchmasterfurniture.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:45 PM
To: 'Dick Raczuk'; 'John Donaldson'; joe at jrramos.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com;
'David Caruso Sr'; garystolz at gmail.com; 'henry fiola'
Subject: FW: Old Time Motorcycles



Some look like art, some look like farm equipment   all of them Historical



G

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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 11 10:44:55 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:44:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Windscreen
Message-ID: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>

Any suggestions for options and sources for a racing windscreen for a
spitfire?

Thanks,

Marty

From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Fri Nov 11 13:58:22 2011
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:58:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 11.11.11
In-Reply-To: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001001cca0b4$a66a17f0$f33e47d0$@net>

The Admiral

You just have to appreciate this one. 
Young people forget that we older people had a career before we retired.....
.

Charley, a new retiree-greeter at Wal-Mart, just couldn't seem to get to
work on time. 
Every day he was 5, 10, 15 minutes late. But he was a good worker, really
tidy, clean-shaven, 
sharp-minded and a real credit to the company and obviously demonstrating
their 
"Older Person Friendly" policies. 

One day the boss called him into the office for a talk. 

"Charley, I have to tell you, I like your work ethic, you do a bang-up job 
when you finally get here; but your being late so often is quite
bothersome."

"Yes, I know boss, and I am working on it." 

"Well good, you are a team player. That's what I like to hear. 

Yes sir, I understand your concern and I will try harder. 

Seeming puzzled, the manager went on to comment, I know you're retired from
the 
Armed Forces. What did they say to you there if you showed up in the morning
late so often?" 

The old man looked down at the floor, then smiled. He chuckled quietly, then
said with a grin, 

"They usually saluted and said, Good morning, Admiral, can I get your
coffee, sir!

From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 15:23:56 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:23:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Windscreen
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5305264B-FFBF-4B0E-A248-50967D307F83@aol.com>

I would be interested also.

I know in Kas new book Chuck makes one from lexan and explains how he did it.


On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:44 PM, marty sukey wrote:

> Any suggestions for options and sources for a racing windscreen for a
> spitfire?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Marty
> _______________________________________________
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Christopher Bock
www.SeaCubeCo.com
SeaCubeCo at aol.com
(609) 319-4322

From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 15:07:45 2011
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:07:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Racing at TWS -- video Nov 2011
In-Reply-To: <001001cca0b4$a66a17f0$f33e47d0$@net>
References: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<001001cca0b4$a66a17f0$f33e47d0$@net>
Message-ID: <16F59E2A-0D5B-407C-B8F7-C0D1EB1D1A9C@gmail.com>

No Triumphs visible, but under that Union Jack on the hood of the Morgan is a
TR lump.

http://tinyurl.com/cq6c83t

Duncan Charlton
Elgin, TX
1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red

From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Fri Nov 11 16:19:58 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:19:58 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Windscreen
In-Reply-To: <5305264B-FFBF-4B0E-A248-50967D307F83@aol.com>
References: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>
	<5305264B-FFBF-4B0E-A248-50967D307F83@aol.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F0642DB@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

Ted Schumacher/ TSI used to sell one for the TR6. I think they shared
windscreens for some of the years.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of christopher bock
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:24 PM
To: marty sukey
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Windscreen

I would be interested also.

I know in Kas new book Chuck makes one from lexan and explains how he did it.


On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:44 PM, marty sukey wrote:

> Any suggestions for options and sources for a racing windscreen for a
> spitfire?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marty
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>
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(609) 319-4322
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From spitracer1296 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 11 17:42:15 2011
From: spitracer1296 at yahoo.com (chris crisenbery)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:42:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Windshields - For Sale
Message-ID: <1321058535.10345.YahooMailNeo@web113802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I'm a fairly new addition to the FOT and I realize that we aren't here to hock
products, so I will say that I have been building racing Spitfire windshields
for about 20 years.  I don't typically advertise but since this is a special
group of Triumph enthusiasts I will make an exception.
 
I build a Plexiglas
one for race cars.  I've attached a pic of my car so you can see what it looks
like.  I can adjust the height of the windshield from as low as 2" to as high
as 7" measured from a flat surface.  The cowl is radi on the Spit so you do
loose some of the height.  For most Spit applications I sell between 5 and 6
inches.  I believe mine is around 5.5 inches as I mount my wink under it. 
I
can build them in clear and smoke, other colors are possible but Plexiglas in
other colors is getting difficult to find and costs more money.   
Again as I
want to be respectful to the group, please feel free to contact me directly
and let me know if I can be of any assistance. 
Chris Crisenbery
work p/n
(517) 783-0710
home p/n (517) 789-8010

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From spitracer1296 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 11 17:46:59 2011
From: spitracer1296 at yahoo.com (chris crisenbery)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:46:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Windshield Pic's
Message-ID: <1321058819.8724.YahooMailNeo@web113802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Woops....looks like you will need to contact me directly if you would like to see pic's....sorry.

From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 11 18:27:24 2011
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:27:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] 11.11.11.11
In-Reply-To: <001001cca0b4$a66a17f0$f33e47d0$@net>
References: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<001001cca0b4$a66a17f0$f33e47d0$@net>
Message-ID: <1321061244.86246.YahooMailRC@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My wife ran 11 miles today and left the house at 11:00


The Admiral

You just have to appreciate this one. 
Young people forget that we older people had a career before we retired.....
.

Charley, a new retiree-greeter at Wal-Mart, just couldn't seem to get to
work on time. 
Every day he was 5, 10, 15 minutes late. But he was a good worker, really
tidy, clean-shaven, 
sharp-minded and a real credit to the company and obviously demonstrating
their 
"Older Person Friendly" policies. 

One day the boss called him into the office for a talk. 

"Charley, I have to tell you, I like your work ethic, you do a bang-up job 
when you finally get here; but your being late so often is quite
bothersome."

"Yes, I know boss, and I am working on it." 

"Well good, you are a team player. That's what I like to hear. 

Yes sir, I understand your concern and I will try harder. 

Seeming puzzled, the manager went on to comment, I know you're retired from
the 
Armed Forces. What did they say to you there if you showed up in the morning
late so often?" 

The old man looked down at the floor, then smiled. He chuckled quietly, then
said with a grin, 

"They usually saluted and said, Good morning, Admiral, can I get your
coffee, sir!
_______________________________________________
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From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Nov 11 19:08:06 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:08:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] 11.11.11.11
References: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><001001cca0b4$a66a17f0$f33e47d0$@net>
	<1321061244.86246.YahooMailRC@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F7A34995A2D24D4E82D75AE68CBB3128@Bud>

Thanks Dennis...A great one!
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis DeLap" <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] 11.11.11.11


> My wife ran 11 miles today and left the house at 11:00
>
>
> The Admiral
>
> You just have to appreciate this one.
> Young people forget that we older people had a career before we 
> retired.....
> .
>
> Charley, a new retiree-greeter at Wal-Mart, just couldn't seem to get to
> work on time.
> Every day he was 5, 10, 15 minutes late. But he was a good worker, really
> tidy, clean-shaven,
> sharp-minded and a real credit to the company and obviously demonstrating
> their
> "Older Person Friendly" policies.
>
> One day the boss called him into the office for a talk.
>
> "Charley, I have to tell you, I like your work ethic, you do a bang-up job
> when you finally get here; but your being late so often is quite
> bothersome."
>
> "Yes, I know boss, and I am working on it."
>
> "Well good, you are a team player. That's what I like to hear.
>
> Yes sir, I understand your concern and I will try harder.
>
> Seeming puzzled, the manager went on to comment, I know you're retired 
> from
> the
> Armed Forces. What did they say to you there if you showed up in the 
> morning
> late so often?"
>
> The old man looked down at the floor, then smiled. He chuckled quietly, 
> then
> said with a grin,
>
> "They usually saluted and said, Good morning, Admiral, can I get your
> coffee, sir!
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Sat Nov 12 08:49:47 2011
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:49:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Windscreen
In-Reply-To: <5305264B-FFBF-4B0E-A248-50967D307F83@aol.com>
References: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>
	<5305264B-FFBF-4B0E-A248-50967D307F83@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EBE959B.9090103@bright.net>

Christopher, we have the molds and make this item.  Smoke color - 
$150+shipping. Ted


On 11/11/2011 5:23 PM, christopher bock wrote:
> I would be interested also.
>
> I know in Kas new book Chuck makes one from lexan and explains how he did it.
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:44 PM, marty sukey wrote:
>
>> Any suggestions for options and sources for a racing windscreen for a
>> spitfire?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Marty
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 13 07:00:37 2011
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 06:00:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston
Message-ID: <1321192837.4171.YahooMailRC@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - anyone have a ring set for a single 87mm Mahle piston?

Thanks
Dennis

From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 13 20:32:32 2011
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:32:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CA+1coLi7SOwCdvvm1czSU2uj2tChBQRhRaa-yFVfceSiBkY9VQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT120-W256AB7CEF31F3DBA52483DFD80@phx.gbl>
	<CA+1coLi8U5gviAGUb8FLT1xk3C3bomqOXuknHB3yqNbimbxR4w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1321241552.310.YahooMailRC@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just got around to watching the video posted last Monday. I completely agree the 
Lotus was in the wrong in failing to leave racing room and would likely have 
received a well-deserved 13/13 in any organization with which I am familiar. 
Most racing organizations have a squirrel list which is shared among clubs, and 
honor each other's probations. 


Gary Schneider
EP 37 TR4
Midwestern Council Chief Steward



________________________________
From: dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, November 7, 2011 3:57:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Hi all,

The driver was Denny Wilson. Stewards ruled in my favor and he was put on
probation. Thanks for the comments.

- Dick

From fpspitfire at comcast.net  Fri Nov 11 10:59:37 2011
From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (Aaron Johnson)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:59:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Windscreen
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8B489F66-55CD-4648-9570-C2E5E213313F@comcast.net>

Try Chris crissenberry.  He's on here I think.  Or ted schumaker

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 11, 2011, at 11:44, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Any suggestions for options and sources for a racing windscreen for a
> spitfire?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marty
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 03:21:34 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 05:21:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Windscreen
In-Reply-To: <4EBE959B.9090103@bright.net>
References: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>
	<5305264B-FFBF-4B0E-A248-50967D307F83@aol.com>
	<4EBE959B.9090103@bright.net>
Message-ID: <45875CA5-2ED6-4B1E-987C-4A26E1EC197C@aol.com>

I want to thank everyone who replied. Thanks to you I found what I Was looking
for.

Thank you

Chris

On Nov 12, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Ted Schumacher <tedtsimx at bright.net> wrote:

> Christopher, we have the molds and make this item.  Smoke color -
$150+shipping. Ted
>
>
> On 11/11/2011 5:23 PM, christopher bock wrote:
>> I would be interested also.
>>
>> I know in Kas new book Chuck makes one from lexan and explains how he did
it.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:44 PM, marty sukey wrote:
>>
>>> Any suggestions for options and sources for a racing windscreen for a
>>> spitfire?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Marty
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>
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>>>
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>> (609) 319-4322
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Nov 14 09:05:30 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:05:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MC pics
Message-ID: <2A26698238B8408DACE4986134BE889F@gdhs.local>

Sorry, but apparently one cannot attach pics to this site.  If anyone would
like to see the classic motorcycle pics I wrote about last week, just
contact me outside and I'll be happy to forward them....

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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Nov 14 11:41:35 2011
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:41:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] 4.1 R&P
In-Reply-To: <1084680094.1902324.1321295955820.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <589233222.1902525.1321296095078.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hello all, 
Does anyone by chance have a good usable 4.1 ring and pinion that they would be to part with? 
Thanks, 
Dave H. 

From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Nov 14 11:44:07 2011
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:44:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR 4.1 R&P
In-Reply-To: <1648460946.1902628.1321296202287.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <189970916.1902705.1321296247277.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I forgot to mention that the ring and pinion is needed for a TR. 


Thanks again, 
Dave 

From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Mon Nov 14 11:54:37 2011
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:54:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 oil consumption issue during break in
In-Reply-To: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F02D930@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
References: <SNT134-W27DA95BA47381F57D25061900A0@phx.gbl>,
	<639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F02D930@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <SNT134-W56A2A0F24E044176EB58FF90C00@phx.gbl>

I know you have all been on the edge of your seats wondering if I was ever
going to figure out what was wrong with my engine and here's the latest
theory.  First, I thought it was the guides, because they were not replaced.
I bought new guides and took them to the machine shop and confronted them.
They disassembled the head and proved to me the guides were good and in the
process I learned how the guides are measured and that I should trust my
machinist more.  So I went home and took out the pistons and returned to the
machine shop where he then showed me that the ends of the "oil control ring
expander" should not be overlapped one notch, but rather butt together so the
oil control rings can function properly.

So now all I have to do is go home and reassemble everything and see if it
works.  Probably will.

Hopefully someone else will learn from my mistake, and I'm glad I didn't break
down and give my engine the big Bon Ami douche treatment.

Cheers Henry Morrison Cedar Crest, NM


>
> Was the block bored, or honed and checked for taper? If the rings didn't
seat it may be too late. Look for the cause of the rings not seating or it
will happen again. Bores freshened up with brush hones often have too much
taper and allow blow by. On racing engines I use WD40 to lube the
rings/pistons for install. I wipe oil on the bores and make sure I have oil
pressure before starting. I want the rings to seat right away.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Southern Construction Inventory Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-687-7422 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
>
>
> Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden
> Subject: [Fot] TR6 oil consumption issue during break in
>
> Well, yeah, I did measure the end gaps on the rings. All were within the
> specifications. The compression numbers when I checked them after 100 or so
miles were low (90 lbs at 7000 ft.) but even. The rings came on the pistons
and were black in color, looked like they had been plated black.
>
> I don't think that I broke any of the rings on installation.
>
> The machine shop told me the guides were OK when I probed them as to why
they didn't ask to replace them additionally they said if they were shot, the
car would still not use that much oil.
>
> I may strike out at the engine physically and violently if I have to
re-rebuild it.
>
> Cheers Henry Morrison
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From rwestfall at ymail.com  Mon Nov 14 12:46:44 2011
From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:46:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Drivers side door
Message-ID: <1321300004.14343.YahooMailClassic@web59911.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

AmiciI am in need of a drivers side door for my TR4A, the one I have was cut
up by the infamous previous owner and I would like to replace it with as good
a 

From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Mon Nov 14 12:51:57 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:51:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 oil consumption issue during break in
References: <SNT134-W27DA95BA47381F57D25061900A0@phx.gbl>,
	<639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F02D930@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
	<SNT134-W56A2A0F24E044176EB58FF90C00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AB825623B6E546989AE77E72443003C7@owner8914bbf7f>

Hi, be sure and stagger the end gaps on the other solid oil control rings 
also. The ones on top and bottom of the expander.
Plus stagger the top 2 rings.
Good luck, Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Henry Morrison" <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 oil consumption issue during break in


>I know you have all been on the edge of your seats wondering if I was ever
> going to figure out what was wrong with my engine and here's the latest
> theory.  First, I thought it was the guides, because they were not 
> replaced.
> I bought new guides and took them to the machine shop and confronted them.
> They disassembled the head and proved to me the guides were good and in 
> the
> process I learned how the guides are measured and that I should trust my
> machinist more.  So I went home and took out the pistons and returned to 
> the
> machine shop where he then showed me that the ends of the "oil control 
> ring
> expander" should not be overlapped one notch, but rather butt together so 
> the
> oil control rings can function properly.
>
> So now all I have to do is go home and reassemble everything and see if it
> works.  Probably will.
>
> Hopefully someone else will learn from my mistake, and I'm glad I didn't 
> break
> down and give my engine the big Bon Ami douche treatment.
>
> Cheers Henry Morrison Cedar Crest, NM
>
>
>>
>> Was the block bored, or honed and checked for taper? If the rings didn't
> seat it may be too late. Look for the cause of the rings not seating or it
> will happen again. Bores freshened up with brush hones often have too much
> taper and allow blow by. On racing engines I use WD40 to lube the
> rings/pistons for install. I wipe oil on the bores and make sure I have 
> oil
> pressure before starting. I want the rings to seat right away.
>>
>> Bob Kramer
>> Southern Construction Inventory Manager
>> RDO Equipment Company
>> 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660
>> 512-687-7422 Office
>> 512-657-8526 Cell
>>
>>
>> Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things 
>> turn
> out. ~John Wooden
>> Subject: [Fot] TR6 oil consumption issue during break in
>>
>> Well, yeah, I did measure the end gaps on the rings. All were within the
>> specifications. The compression numbers when I checked them after 100 or 
>> so
> miles were low (90 lbs at 7000 ft.) but even. The rings came on the 
> pistons
> and were black in color, looked like they had been plated black.
>>
>> I don't think that I broke any of the rings on installation.
>>
>> The machine shop told me the guides were OK when I probed them as to why
> they didn't ask to replace them additionally they said if they were shot, 
> the
> car would still not use that much oil.
>>
>> I may strike out at the engine physically and violently if I have to
> re-rebuild it.
>>
>> Cheers Henry Morrison
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
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>>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Nov 14 13:54:37 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:54:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Drivers side door
In-Reply-To: <1321300004.14343.YahooMailClassic@web59911.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <1321300004.14343.YahooMailClassic@web59911.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CE7126C187171B-738-4CE0F@Webmail-d116.sysops.aol.com>

i have a couple of them.

both sides

very good condition.

how do we get together on this?







-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Westfall <rwestfall at ymail.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:08 pm
Subject: [Fot] Drivers side door


AmiciI am in need of a drivers side door for my TR4A, the one I have was cut
up by the infamous previous owner and I would like to replace it with as good
a
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From rwestfall at ymail.com  Mon Nov 14 14:48:54 2011
From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:48:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Door
Message-ID: <1321307334.24158.YahooMailClassic@web59909.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Oops, I guess part of my post about a drivers door didn't make it, I'm in
Minneapolis Mn. 

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Nov 14 15:27:23 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:27:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Door
In-Reply-To: <1321307334.24158.YahooMailClassic@web59909.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <1321307334.24158.YahooMailClassic@web59909.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CE7133B654EF72-738-4E345@Webmail-d116.sysops.aol.com>

 I do have a few doors I can let loose of.....Russ has first right of refusal
on the driver's door.

Joe Alexander





-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Westfall <rwestfall at ymail.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 4:19 pm
Subject: [Fot] Door


Oops, I guess part of my post about a drivers door didn't make it, I'm in
Minneapolis Mn.
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Nov 14 16:03:11 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:03:11 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Door
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	<8CE7133B654EF72-738-4E345@Webmail-d116.sysops.aol.com>
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And when you run out I have a row of them, but mostly TR6.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 4:27 PM
To: rwestfall at ymail.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Door

 I do have a few doors I can let loose of.....Russ has first right of refusal
on the driver's door.

Joe Alexander





-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Westfall <rwestfall at ymail.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 4:19 pm
Subject: [Fot] Door


Oops, I guess part of my post about a drivers door didn't make it, I'm in
Minneapolis Mn.
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Nov 14 16:21:44 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:21:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Door   FOT SWAP MEET AT ROAD ATLANTA?
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	<639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F06572A@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
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 there seems to be no shortage of doors....in this case Russ is only a couple
of hours and we will be able to get together to our mutual benefit.

now subject change    FOT SWAP MEET AT ROAD ATLANTA

at TOPEKA we had an FOT SWAP meet that worked out pretty good for folks.

we should plan this at ROAD ATLANTA........it would need a volunteer to
organize it.

we recently got a shirt coordinator volunteer....there will be a more formal
announcement later.

FOT SWAP MEET might only be throwing big ugly lumps in a pile with a well
written tag.

Sure beats packaging and shipping big ugly lumps.

APPROVALS must go through EVENT CHAIRMAN HENRY FRYE





-----Original Message-----
From: Kramer, Robert <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>
To: n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>; rwestfall <rwestfall at ymail.com>; fot
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 5:03 pm
Subject: RE: [Fot] Door


And when you run out I have a row of them, but mostly TR6.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 4:27 PM
To: rwestfall at ymail.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Door

 I do have a few doors I can let loose of.....Russ has first right of refusal
on
the driver's door.

Joe Alexander





-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Westfall <rwestfall at ymail.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 4:19 pm
Subject: [Fot] Door


Oops, I guess part of my post about a drivers door didn't make it, I'm in
Minneapolis Mn.
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 14 17:02:51 2011
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:02:51 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire caliper bracket
Message-ID: <9627425.1321315371053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi I am in need of early Spitfire caliper brackets I need a left and a right.  thanks  Joe

Chequered Flag Racing .net
Joseph P. Siam
9833 Deering Ave unit I
Chatsworth Ca 91311
818 350 6222

From koblinger at verizon.net  Mon Nov 14 17:44:45 2011
From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:44:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire caliper bracket
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From igofaster at att.net  Tue Nov 15 18:57:13 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:57:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Eagles Canyon Toy Run
Message-ID: <1321408633.58656.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Linda Cook is opening her track up for a Toy Run for a day of track time. Linda 
is a really sweet gal and she's pumped a lot of money into Eagles Canyon Raceway 
here in North Texas. If any Triumph or otherwise guys would like a track day for 
a small gift, a food bank offering, and $50 cash, it would be a swell treat in 
any regard.
December 10, 2011. Check out Eagles Canyon website.
Not to be too snobby, I will probably thrash around my Miata for cheap $$$ fun 
and speed...

Road Atlanta is on the mind of several Texas Triumph guys this coming year.. 
holla!

Bobby Whitehead....

From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 11:05:00 2011
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:05:00 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Eagles Canyon Toy Run
In-Reply-To: <1321408633.58656.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1321408633.58656.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNCwQdD7bgvT6s_pgUN2DoAmo5SYH1PgSMmaWi9VmiH_7w@mail.gmail.com>

Bobby and FOT,
I am hoping to make the Mitty/Kas cup this year in my '69 TR6 [well, I will
trailer it down].  I live in the Seattle area and am retired.  My plan is
to leave about the 1st of April and hit a few racing circuits/races on the
way [route is probably down through So Cal then south across the sun belt].

I am interested as to what events may be happening in that time frame and
route. Please advise if you have information about vintage racing
opportuites then.

Thanks,

Chuck

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net> wrote:

> Linda Cook is opening her track up for a Toy Run for a day of track time.
> Linda
> is a really sweet gal and she's pumped a lot of money into Eagles Canyon
> Raceway
> here in North Texas. If any Triumph or otherwise guys would like a track
> day for
> a small gift, a food bank offering, and $50 cash, it would be a swell
> treat in
> any regard.
> December 10, 2011. Check out Eagles Canyon website.
> Not to be too snobby, I will probably thrash around my Miata for cheap $$$
> fun
> and speed...
>
> Road Atlanta is on the mind of several Texas Triumph guys this coming
> year..
> holla!
>
> Bobby Whitehead....
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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-- 
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 19:51:02 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:51:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Simeone Museum wins major award
References: <01f101cca4d0$9a49c360$cedd4a20$@net>
Message-ID: <096A9FFB-0FA0-4F99-B5D7-742A0C485E2A@aol.com>

This is in Philadelphia pa. It is a very neat museum and  I am proud to say I
have been there and I couldn't contain my joy.

Chris

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Pete Bahr" <peteb01 at comcast.net>
> Date: November 16, 2011 9:28:32 PM EST
> To: <bmcsnjmembers at lists.british-steel.org>
> Subject: Simeone Museum wins major award
>

> Since many BMC members have attended the museum, I thought you all would be
interested in this prestigious award.
> Pete Bahr
>
>  ==============   ===============
>
> From: Simeone Museum [mailto:amanda at simeonemuseum.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:59 PM
> To: peteb01 at comcast.net
> Subject: WE WON!!!
>
>
>
> WE WON!!!
>
> THE SIMEONE FOUNDATION AUTOMOTIVE MUSEUM NAMED INTERNATIONAL "MUSEUM OF THE
YEAR"
>
> Dr. Simeone just called from the International Historic Motoring Awards
dinner in London to tell us we have been selected as bMuseum of the Year.b
The judging panel included such noted figures as TV host Jay Leno, vintage car
racer and Pink Floyd drummer Nick Mason, Pebble Beach Chief Judge Ed
Gilbertson, five times Le Mans winner Derek Bell and Lady Susie Moss, wife of
racing icon Sir Stirling Moss, among others.
> The other museums that were considered were the National Motor Museum of
England and the Jaguar Heritage Museum in the UK, the Peterson Museum in Los
Angeles, and the Auto Museum Prototyp in Germany.
>
> bThis is an enormous honor for the Simeone Automotive Museum, especially
considering the quality of the other institutions that were considered,b
said Executive Director Fred Simeone. bThese are the very best automotive
museums in the world and we were humbled just to be considered. To actually
win was beyond our wildest dreams. This award is the greatest international
recognition to which an automotive museum can aspire.b
>
> The results were announced at a black-tie ceremony at Londonbs Renaissance
Hotel at St. Pancras on November 16th.
>
> The Simeone Foundation Automotive Museum, located near the Philadelphia
international Airport, is a 501(c)3 non-profit corporation and encompasses
many of the most significant racing sports cars ever built. The museum opened
in 2008 and since then has been internationally recognized for the quality of
the collectionbs automobiles, and the instructive nature of the displays.
All of the cars have important historic meaning in the development of sports
car road racing, from its beginnings to the 1970s. The museum has been
profiled in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and a variety of
automotive publications.
>
> Other notables on the judging committee included, Horst Bruning, president
of the International Federation of Veteran Automobiles, Ian Callum, design
director of Jaguar Cars, Duncan Wiltshire, Chairman of Motor Racing Legends,
Robert Coucher, international editor of Octane magazine, Peter Stevens,
designer of McLaren F1, and Simon Kidston, international car consultant and
commentator.
>
> From everyone here at the museum, thank you to our volunteers, friends and
everyone who has worked to help make Dr. Simeone's vision a reality. This is
an award we can all share!

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov 17 08:22:59 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:22:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Eagles Canyon Toy Run
In-Reply-To: <CAMc4sNCwQdD7bgvT6s_pgUN2DoAmo5SYH1PgSMmaWi9VmiH_7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1321408633.58656.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CAMc4sNCwQdD7bgvT6s_pgUN2DoAmo5SYH1PgSMmaWi9VmiH_7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CE7353EC88DC0B-93C-8AFD2@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com>

 I think Road America could be an option on the return.

That would be cool to run Road Atlanta and Road America back to back.

A visit to Barber Motorsports Park is in order....what a tribute to road
racing, with an incredible motorsports museum with both motorcycles and cars.

Make no mistake....The 10th Running of the Kastner Cup is going to be EPIC.





-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley <triosan at gmail.com>
To: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>; Friends <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Eagles Canyon Toy Run


Bobby and FOT,
I am hoping to make the Mitty/Kas cup this year in my '69 TR6 [well, I will
trailer it down].  I live in the Seattle area and am retired.  My plan is
to leave about the 1st of April and hit a few racing circuits/races on the
way [route is probably down through So Cal then south across the sun belt].

I am interested as to what events may be happening in that time frame and
route. Please advise if you have information about vintage racing
opportuites then.

Thanks,

Chuck

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net> wrote:

> Linda Cook is opening her track up for a Toy Run for a day of track time.
> Linda
> is a really sweet gal and she's pumped a lot of money into Eagles Canyon
> Raceway
> here in North Texas. If any Triumph or otherwise guys would like a track
> day for
> a small gift, a food bank offering, and $50 cash, it would be a swell
> treat in
> any regard.
> December 10, 2011. Check out Eagles Canyon website.
> Not to be too snobby, I will probably thrash around my Miata for cheap $$$
> fun
> and speed...
>
> Road Atlanta is on the mind of several Texas Triumph guys this coming
> year..
> holla!
>
> Bobby Whitehead....
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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>
>
>


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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Thu Nov 17 09:02:13 2011
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:02:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Simeone Museum wins major award
In-Reply-To: <096A9FFB-0FA0-4F99-B5D7-742A0C485E2A@aol.com>
References: <01f101cca4d0$9a49c360$cedd4a20$@net>
	<096A9FFB-0FA0-4F99-B5D7-742A0C485E2A@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003901cca542$45b535b0$d11fa110$@hot-tr6.com>

I, also, visited the Simeone Museum shortly after it opened. What a truly
wonderful experience.
If you attend make sure to allow enough time, I'd say 4 hours are needed to
appreciate this great collection.
Walt Hollowell
Abq., NM

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of christopher bock
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 7:51 PM
To: FoTTriumph
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Simeone Museum wins major award

This is in Philadelphia pa. It is a very neat museum and  I am proud to say
I have been there and I couldn't contain my joy.

Chris

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Pete Bahr" <peteb01 at comcast.net>
> Date: November 16, 2011 9:28:32 PM EST
> To: <bmcsnjmembers at lists.british-steel.org>
> Subject: Simeone Museum wins major award
>

> Since many BMC members have attended the museum, I thought you all
> would be
interested in this prestigious award.
> Pete Bahr
>
>  ==============   ===============
>
> From: Simeone Museum [mailto:amanda at simeonemuseum.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:59 PM
> To: peteb01 at comcast.net
> Subject: WE WON!!!
>
>
>
> WE WON!!!
>
> THE SIMEONE FOUNDATION AUTOMOTIVE MUSEUM NAMED INTERNATIONAL "MUSEUM
> OF THE
YEAR"
>
> Dr. Simeone just called from the International Historic Motoring
> Awards
dinner in London to tell us we have been selected as bMuseum of the Year.b
The judging panel included such noted figures as TV host Jay Leno, vintage
car racer and Pink Floyd drummer Nick Mason, Pebble Beach Chief Judge Ed
Gilbertson, five times Le Mans winner Derek Bell and Lady Susie Moss, wife
of racing icon Sir Stirling Moss, among others.
> The other museums that were considered were the National Motor Museum
> of
England and the Jaguar Heritage Museum in the UK, the Peterson Museum in Los
Angeles, and the Auto Museum Prototyp in Germany.
>
> bThis is an enormous honor for the Simeone Automotive Museum,
> especially
considering the quality of the other institutions that were considered,b
said Executive Director Fred Simeone. bThese are the very best automotive
museums in the world and we were humbled just to be considered. To actually
win was beyond our wildest dreams. This award is the greatest international
recognition to which an automotive museum can aspire.b
>
> The results were announced at a black-tie ceremony at Londonbs
> Renaissance
Hotel at St. Pancras on November 16th.
>
> The Simeone Foundation Automotive Museum, located near the
> Philadelphia
international Airport, is a 501(c)3 non-profit corporation and encompasses
many of the most significant racing sports cars ever built. The museum
opened in 2008 and since then has been internationally recognized for the
quality of the collectionbs automobiles, and the instructive nature of the
displays.
All of the cars have important historic meaning in the development of sports
car road racing, from its beginnings to the 1970s. The museum has been
profiled in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and a variety of
automotive publications.
>
> Other notables on the judging committee included, Horst Bruning,
> president
of the International Federation of Veteran Automobiles, Ian Callum, design
director of Jaguar Cars, Duncan Wiltshire, Chairman of Motor Racing Legends,
Robert Coucher, international editor of Octane magazine, Peter Stevens,
designer of McLaren F1, and Simon Kidston, international car consultant and
commentator.
>
> From everyone here at the museum, thank you to our volunteers, friends
> and
everyone who has worked to help make Dr. Simeone's vision a reality. This is
an award we can all share!
_______________________________________________
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Nov 18 07:53:32 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:53:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] GT6  FLYWHEEL WANTED
Message-ID: <8CE7418F97AA6E5-1E14-96E8A@webmail-d057.sysops.aol.com>

stock or used aftermarket flywheel for a friend working on his GT6.

I assume that the GT6 is different than a TR6?

anyone out there have one?

thanks!

joe a

From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Fri Nov 18 11:36:27 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:36:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hutchens Rage Hybrid reviews
Message-ID: <CALsVEtA5bf4dukSNsMmY6pbmpvNfZhicw2ed_2ETQgNJNAmgJw@mail.gmail.com>

I've been told that I will get a head/neck protection device for Christmas,
but I have to decide which one.  It seems that most folks are using the
HANS device, but I'm curious if any FOTers are using the Rage Hybrid.
These are also approved for SCCA use and claim to have better side impact
protection than the HANS, as well as being more comfortable.  If anyone is
using one of these please let me know how you like it.  Thanks, Don

From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Nov 18 12:24:26 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:24:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: [CMSHG] Mosport construction details
In-Reply-To: <4EC3D924.1010504@rogers.com>
References: <4EC3D924.1010504@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <001e01cca627$afc76f00$0f564d00$@rogers.com>

Here is a message that I got on another forum. Details of improvements being
made at Mosport.

 

Paul

 

 

--------------------------------------------

 

  

For those of you who don't partake of Facebook, here is my story today in
Autoblog Canada about the construction details to date at Mosport. Lots of
photos included!

 
<http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/11/16/new-tunnel-marks-the-beginning-of-a-new-e
ra-for-mosport/> http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/11/16/ne...a-for-mosport/ 

-- 
Have a great day,
 
Gary Grant
 
Contributor
Autoblog Canada
 
Publisher
thegarageblog.com
 
Member International Motor Press Association
Member American Racing Press Association

__._,_.___

From jason at multivintage.com  Fri Nov 18 14:11:15 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:11:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Hutchens Rage Hybrid reviews
In-Reply-To: <CALsVEtA5bf4dukSNsMmY6pbmpvNfZhicw2ed_2ETQgNJNAmgJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALsVEtA5bf4dukSNsMmY6pbmpvNfZhicw2ed_2ETQgNJNAmgJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALCydYrCmb0gyL6z3ZRxywkz2D__ObBfeMNZO68LGsSA6OVopQ@mail.gmail.com>

Don,
To one of your points about comfort-
I too had heard a Hans device was uncomfortable and was concerned about
that initially.
However, I can say quite confidently that once strapped in...you do not
even notice it.
I like the Hans, but haven't tried any of the others.

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Don Marshall <donmarshall at nefcom.net>wrote:

> I've been told that I will get a head/neck protection device for Christmas,
> but I have to decide which one.  It seems that most folks are using the
> HANS device, but I'm curious if any FOTers are using the Rage Hybrid.
> These are also approved for SCCA use and claim to have better side impact
> protection than the HANS, as well as being more comfortable.  If anyone is
> using one of these please let me know how you like it.  Thanks, Don
> _______________________________________________
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Nov 18 16:58:35 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:58:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: [CMSHG] Mosport construction details
In-Reply-To: <001e01cca627$afc76f00$0f564d00$@rogers.com>
References: <4EC3D924.1010504@rogers.com>
	<001e01cca627$afc76f00$0f564d00$@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <002f01cca64d$fd606f70$f8214e50$@rogers.com>

http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/11/16/new-tunnel-marks-the-beginning-of-a-new-er
a-for-mosport/



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Paul MacDonald
Sent: November 18, 2011 2:24 PM
To: Fot
Subject: [Fot] FW: [CMSHG] Mosport construction details

Here is a message that I got on another forum. Details of improvements being
made at Mosport.

 

Paul

 

 

--------------------------------------------

 

  

For those of you who don't partake of Facebook, here is my story today in
Autoblog Canada about the construction details to date at Mosport. Lots of
photos included!

 
<http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/11/16/new-tunnel-marks-the-beginning-of-a-new-e
ra-for-mosport/> http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/11/16/ne...a-for-mosport/ 

--
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 18 19:09:27 2011
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:09:27 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Hutchens Rage Hybrid reviews
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I have the Hans and it's great.  World champion Sebastian Vettel and  
ALL the other F1 drivers wear it.  They go a little faster than we do.

~Steve



On Nov 18, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Don Marshall wrote:

I've been told that I will get a head/neck protection device for  
Christmas,
but I have to decide which one.  It seems that most folks are using the
HANS device, but I'm curious if any FOTers are using the Rage Hybrid.
These are also approved for SCCA use and claim to have better side  
impact
protection than the HANS, as well as being more comfortable.  If  
anyone is
using one of these please let me know how you like it.  Thanks, Don
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Nov 18 20:57:44 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 21:57:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
Message-ID: <20111119035758.EB249187868@autox.team.net>

Looks like the Austin Tx Grand Prix is in trouble:
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-gives-austin-until-next-week-to-save-us-gp

Tony

From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 21:14:07 2011
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 22:14:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Wire wheel balancing shop in San Antonio?
Message-ID: <7C61F543-C75F-44BE-987E-B5F9DF31A496@gmail.com>

A traveling friend is passing through San Antonio tomorrow and desperately
wants to get his wheels rebalanced before continuing up to Washington State in
his Morgan.  Does anyone know of a wire wheel balancing shop in San Antonio?

Thanks --
Duncan Charlton
Elgin, TX

From jibjib at att.net  Fri Nov 18 22:25:35 2011
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 21:25:35 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Wire wheel balancing shop in San Antonio?
In-Reply-To: <7C61F543-C75F-44BE-987E-B5F9DF31A496@gmail.com>
References: <7C61F543-C75F-44BE-987E-B5F9DF31A496@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <767358515FF74345BD70C1EA4653AF4C@EntCentPC>

If he makes it to Washington State, my local tire shop has the rudge adapter
and can handle the job. 

My suggestion is to call every tire shop in town.  I never thought my local
shop could do it, but the owners have been around for a while and still had
the right parts kicking around.

Jack, just SE of Seattle

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Behalf Of Duncan Charlton
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:14 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Wire wheel balancing shop in San Antonio?

A traveling friend is passing through San Antonio tomorrow and desperately
wants to get his wheels rebalanced before continuing up to Washington State
in
his Morgan.  Does anyone know of a wire wheel balancing shop in San Antonio?

Thanks --
Duncan Charlton
Elgin, TX
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Nov 19 05:06:39 2011
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 07:06:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
In-Reply-To: <20111119035758.EB249187868@autox.team.net>
References: <20111119035758.EB249187868@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <BAY164-ds80676CE2B7A3FB4436966C3C50@phx.gbl>

Is this really a surprise?

My old time SCCA buddies have been discussing this for a week or so now.

To put it bluntly, until a real, established, BIG TIME NAME in American
industry, coupled with a professional, established promoter of a successful
American road racing series
gets in the act, (Not the SCCA BTW), there will never be a solid US GP.

Formula One is the biggest of the big leagues, and frankly, when it come to
road racing, we are just a farm club now a days.  It did not used to be this
way.  Anyone remember the real CAN AM or original IMSA series?

Terry Stetler
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  Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1


  Looks like the Austin Tx Grand Prix is in trouble:
  http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-gives-austin-until-nex
t-week-to-save-us-gp<http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-giv
es-austin-until-next-week-to-save-us-gp>

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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sat Nov 19 06:53:07 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 08:53:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
References: <20111119035758.EB249187868@autox.team.net>
	<BAY164-ds80676CE2B7A3FB4436966C3C50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <511F7B8B72D0424AB2F38100FD3A1CE0@owner8914bbf7f>

Terry, don't forget Trans Am from the 60"s/70's.
I lost interest in F1 years ago. It seems to be all about money, glitz, 
money, glitter, money, bling, money, beautiful people, and of course, much 
more money.
I loved F1 when Bernie owned Brabham, but those days are long gone. Sad to 
say.
I'll spend my money going to vintage events at RA, WG, etc, where you can 
actually see the old cars and talk to the drivers.
Scarey; I'm starting to talk like a gnarley old coot!
Peace my friends.
Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terry Stetler" <tlizzard at msn.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1


> Is this really a surprise?
>
> My old time SCCA buddies have been discussing this for a week or so now.
>
> To put it bluntly, until a real, established, BIG TIME NAME in American
> industry, coupled with a professional, established promoter of a 
> successful
> American road racing series
> gets in the act, (Not the SCCA BTW), there will never be a solid US GP.
>
> Formula One is the biggest of the big leagues, and frankly, when it come 
> to
> road racing, we are just a farm club now a days.  It did not used to be 
> this
> way.  Anyone remember the real CAN AM or original IMSA series?
>
> Terry Stetler
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Tony Drews<mailto:tony at tonydrews.com>
>  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:57 PM
>  Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
>
>
>  Looks like the Austin Tx Grand Prix is in trouble:
> 
> http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-gives-austin-until-nex
> t-week-to-save-us-gp<http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-giv
> es-austin-until-next-week-to-save-us-gp>
>
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 19 09:56:44 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:56:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Simeone Museum wins major award
In-Reply-To: <096A9FFB-0FA0-4F99-B5D7-742A0C485E2A@aol.com>
References: <01f101cca4d0$9a49c360$cedd4a20$@net>,
	<096A9FFB-0FA0-4F99-B5D7-742A0C485E2A@aol.com>
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hmmmmph, obviously none of those judges have been to Snook's Dream Cars!   :)
Marty
 > From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com
> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:51:02 -0500
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Simeone Museum wins major award
>
> This is in Philadelphia pa. It is a very neat museum and  I am proud to say
I
> have been there and I couldn't contain my joy.
>
> Chris
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: "Pete Bahr" <peteb01 at comcast.net>
> > Date: November 16, 2011 9:28:32 PM EST
> > To: <bmcsnjmembers at lists.british-steel.org>
> > Subject: Simeone Museum wins major award
> >
>
> > Since many BMC members have attended the museum, I thought you all would
be
> interested in this prestigious award.
> > Pete Bahr
> >
> >  ==============   ===============
> >
> > From: Simeone Museum [mailto:amanda at simeonemuseum.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:59 PM
> > To: peteb01 at comcast.net
> > Subject: WE WON!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > WE WON!!!
> >
> > THE SIMEONE FOUNDATION AUTOMOTIVE MUSEUM NAMED INTERNATIONAL "MUSEUM OF
THE
> YEAR"
> >
> > Dr. Simeone just called from the International Historic Motoring Awards
> dinner in London to tell us we have been selected as bMuseum of the
Year.b
> The judging panel included such noted figures as TV host Jay Leno, vintage
car
> racer and Pink Floyd drummer Nick Mason, Pebble Beach Chief Judge Ed
> Gilbertson, five times Le Mans winner Derek Bell and Lady Susie Moss, wife
of
> racing icon Sir Stirling Moss, among others.
> > The other museums that were considered were the National Motor Museum of
> England and the Jaguar Heritage Museum in the UK, the Peterson Museum in
Los
> Angeles, and the Auto Museum Prototyp in Germany.
> >
> > bThis is an enormous honor for the Simeone Automotive Museum, especially
> considering the quality of the other institutions that were considered,b
> said Executive Director Fred Simeone. bThese are the very best automotive
> museums in the world and we were humbled just to be considered. To actually
> win was beyond our wildest dreams. This award is the greatest international
> recognition to which an automotive museum can aspire.b
> >
> > The results were announced at a black-tie ceremony at Londonbs
Renaissance
> Hotel at St. Pancras on November 16th.
> >
> > The Simeone Foundation Automotive Museum, located near the Philadelphia
> international Airport, is a 501(c)3 non-profit corporation and encompasses
> many of the most significant racing sports cars ever built. The museum
opened
> in 2008 and since then has been internationally recognized for the quality
of
> the collectionbs automobiles, and the instructive nature of the displays.
> All of the cars have important historic meaning in the development of
sports
> car road racing, from its beginnings to the 1970s. The museum has been
> profiled in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and a variety of
> automotive publications.
> >
> > Other notables on the judging committee included, Horst Bruning,
president
> of the International Federation of Veteran Automobiles, Ian Callum, design
> director of Jaguar Cars, Duncan Wiltshire, Chairman of Motor Racing
Legends,
> Robert Coucher, international editor of Octane magazine, Peter Stevens,
> designer of McLaren F1, and Simon Kidston, international car consultant and
> commentator.
> >
> > From everyone here at the museum, thank you to our volunteers, friends
and
> everyone who has worked to help make Dr. Simeone's vision a reality. This
is
> an award we can all share!
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Nov 19 10:32:32 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:32:32 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Wire wheel balancing shop in San Antonio?
In-Reply-To: <7C61F543-C75F-44BE-987E-B5F9DF31A496@gmail.com>
References: <7C61F543-C75F-44BE-987E-B5F9DF31A496@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <029801cca6e1$386cab40$0501a8c0@randall>

> A traveling friend is passing through San Antonio tomorrow 
> and desperately
> wants to get his wheels rebalanced

FWIW, faced with a similar problem (some town in Iowa much smaller than San
Antone, I've forgotten the name), I just started asking at tire shops.  The
fellow at the Firestone store knew just where to send me, way out on the
other side of town.  Best of all, they even had a set of tires to fit my
Stag.

-- Randall  

From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Nov 19 11:06:03 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:06:03 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
In-Reply-To: <20111119035758.EB249187868@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20111119130603.NK9YG.29230.imail@eastrmwml302>

Sounds like a case of:  If you don't play by my rules, I'm gonna take my ball and go home."  With Bernie, it's all about the money.  He could care less about the US fans as long as he can extract maximum bucks from them.

---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote: 
> Looks like the Austin Tx Grand Prix is in trouble:
> http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-gives-austin-until-next-week-to-save-us-gp
> 
> Tony
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Nov 19 11:25:48 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:25:48 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
References: <20111119130603.NK9YG.29230.imail@eastrmwml302>
Message-ID: <C6654EF7B1FA4AA79E62324C17C05416@Bud>

In regards to F1 Austin
Hi Gang...For those of you who aren't familiar with the Proverb about the 
snake.....

'A lady found an injured poisonous snake in her garden.
She rescued the snake, and cared for it for years.
One day the snake turned on her and bit her.
While she was dying she asked the snake..I saved you and cared for you, why 
did you bite me?
The snake answered.."You knew I was a snake".
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <spitlist at cox.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>; "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1


> Sounds like a case of:  If you don't play by my rules, I'm gonna take my 
> ball and go home."  With Bernie, it's all about the money.  He could care 
> less about the US fans as long as he can extract maximum bucks from them.

From KENMUN at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 12:01:32 2011
From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:01:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] gas blowing back thru carbs
Message-ID: <3920.448dc09f.3bf9570c@aol.com>

recently had a chance to try the rebuilt tr3 motor on the race track and  
experienced a strange problem. gas is blowing back thru the carbs. it's both  
carbs and the gas is on the inside fender well, underside of hood, top side 
of  the front fender, and leading edge of the rear fender .anyone have any  
idea what's going on? seems like the intake valves are leaking or the valve 
 timing is retarded. any ideas/tests or suggestions appreciated.
ken m. vintage tr3 racer

From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 12:27:16 2011
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 13:27:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] gas blowing back thru carbs
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Ken,
What is the overlap on your camshaft and how is it timed?  Sounds like the
rising piston might be pushing mixture out the carb before the valve closes.
Do you have a crossover pipe linking the rear and front carbs?
Duncan
1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red

On Nov 19, 2011, at 1:01 PM, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:

> recently had a chance to try the rebuilt tr3 motor on the race track and
> experienced a strange problem. gas is blowing back thru the carbs. it's both
> carbs and the gas is on the inside fender well, underside of hood, top side
> of  the front fender, and leading edge of the rear fender .anyone have any
> idea what's going on? seems like the intake valves are leaking or the valve
> timing is retarded. any ideas/tests or suggestions appreciated.
> ken m. vintage tr3 racer
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From jason at multivintage.com  Sat Nov 19 13:41:25 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:41:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
In-Reply-To: <20111119130603.NK9YG.29230.imail@eastrmwml302>
References: <20111119035758.EB249187868@autox.team.net>
	<20111119130603.NK9YG.29230.imail@eastrmwml302>
Message-ID: <CALCydYpDbS9QB+V=TOSPRRbo=GTg2n23fprmOVAcwRUB7vXsqA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes well said about Bernie and money and perfect is the proverb of the
Snake! With even the best business model it is nearly impossible to recover
from 25 million off the top.
Lets say you sell 100,000 tickets at $100 each, that's 10 mil. As Terry
said without Major corporate involvement forget about it as a money maker.
Look at Indy, a wealth of experience in putting on successful events going
back 100 years. That place was packed with fans and support... especially
the early ones. But Bernie didn't seem to notice, and didn't care. Measured
on a reasonable scale that event was good for Indy, F1, manufactures, fans,
the USA etc. I'm afraid a Net gain of 25 million, in world where most
sanctioning bodies struggle to make any money, is out of reach.
The sad thing is all the energy and money that was wasted on caring for the
Snake. So much for "If you build it they will come"
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 12:06 PM, <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:

> Sounds like a case of:  If you don't play by my rules, I'm gonna take my
> ball and go home."  With Bernie, it's all about the money.  He could care
> less about the US fans as long as he can extract maximum bucks from them.
>
> ---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> > Looks like the Austin Tx Grand Prix is in trouble:
> >
> http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-gives-austin-until-next-week-to-save-us-gp
> >
> > Tony
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Nov 19 13:48:46 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 20:48:46 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
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That's why the German race tracks struggle too with f1 races and swap the meeting year after year to recover from the loss a little.
Each F1 cost our tracks 4Mio  which the citizens have to bring up.

Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:41:25 
To: <spitlist at cox.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1

Yes well said about Bernie and money and perfect is the proverb of the
Snake! With even the best business model it is nearly impossible to recover
from 25 million off the top.
Lets say you sell 100,000 tickets at $100 each, that's 10 mil. As Terry
said without Major corporate involvement forget about it as a money maker.
Look at Indy, a wealth of experience in putting on successful events going
back 100 years. That place was packed with fans and support... especially
the early ones. But Bernie didn't seem to notice, and didn't care. Measured
on a reasonable scale that event was good for Indy, F1, manufactures, fans,
the USA etc. I'm afraid a Net gain of 25 million, in world where most
sanctioning bodies struggle to make any money, is out of reach.
The sad thing is all the energy and money that was wasted on caring for the
Snake. So much for "If you build it they will come"
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 12:06 PM, <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:

> Sounds like a case of:  If you don't play by my rules, I'm gonna take my
> ball and go home."  With Bernie, it's all about the money.  He could care
> less about the US fans as long as he can extract maximum bucks from them.
>
> ---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> > Looks like the Austin Tx Grand Prix is in trouble:
> >
> http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-gives-austin-until-next-week-to-save-us-gp
> >
> > Tony
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From billb at bnj.com  Sat Nov 19 13:58:37 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:58:37 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
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I'm not part of the Bernie Defense Team, but my experience in deals of this
magnitude is that the public story has little to do with the real story. And I
doubt Bernie tagged that 25 million on at the end of the negotiation--all
parties knew they had to come up with it. F1 is the big leagues, and all those
folks are playing for big stakes. It's snakes biting snakes. And if they can't
come up with 25 million to satisfy their deal, how are they going to make the
show work? That's chump change.  The rest rooms at the Marina circuit cost
more than that.

And Indy for F1? Come on. It sucked. I LOVE F1 and I couldn't bear to watch
it. Participation in F1 is a source of national pride for the coutries that
play in that arena. If it's not the case for the US, then we shouldn't be
involved other than watching on Speed. Better to have NO participation than
something half-assed.


On Nov 19, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:

> Yes well said about Bernie and money and perfect is the proverb of the
> Snake! With even the best business model it is nearly impossible to recover
> from 25 million off the top.
> Lets say you sell 100,000 tickets at $100 each, that's 10 mil. As Terry
> said without Major corporate involvement forget about it as a money maker.
> Look at Indy, a wealth of experience in putting on successful events going
> back 100 years. That place was packed with fans and support... especially
> the early ones. But Bernie didn't seem to notice, and didn't care. Measured
> on a reasonable scale that event was good for Indy, F1, manufactures, fans,
> the USA etc. I'm afraid a Net gain of 25 million, in world where most
> sanctioning bodies struggle to make any money, is out of reach.
> The sad thing is all the energy and money that was wasted on caring for the
> Snake. So much for "If you build it they will come"
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 12:06 PM, <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a case of:  If you don't play by my rules, I'm gonna take my
>> ball and go home."  With Bernie, it's all about the money.  He could care
>> less about the US fans as long as he can extract maximum bucks from them.
>>
>> ---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
>>> Looks like the Austin Tx Grand Prix is in trouble:
>>>
>>
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-gives-austin-until-next-
week-to-save-us-gp
>>>
>>> Tony
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From jason at multivintage.com  Sat Nov 19 14:45:27 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 15:45:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
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On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:



> "It's snakes biting snakes. And if they can't
> come up with 25 million to satisfy their deal, how are they going to make
> the
> show work? That's chump change."
>
> "And Indy for F1? Come on. It sucked. I LOVE F1 and I couldn't bear to
> watch
> it".
>
> Yes Bill, good true points on the financial end. I won't argue the points
> about financial aspects of "big leagues".. I'm sure all that stuff was
> disclosed early on. Clearly more was bit off than could be chewed.
> But, what was so bad about the Indy events? With the exception of the
> Michelin debacle, what sucked? I went to all the F1 races at Indianapolis
> and thought it was awesome.. and great for U.S. exposure to road racing. I
> have been to other F1 races (including Monaco) and I thought those U.S.
> events were surely different but comparable and good on many levels.
> Jason, FGR

From gaf3 at charter.net  Sat Nov 19 15:16:46 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 17:16:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] gas blowing back thru carbs
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Generally that symptom usually means the cam is way out of time.
That condition is common with street cars that have jumped time because 
of a bad chain or sprocket.
Did you degree the cam?
Good Luck
Glenn Franco
Too many TR's
On 11/19/2011 2:27 PM, Duncan Charlton wrote:
> Ken,
> What is the overlap on your camshaft and how is it timed?  Sounds like the
> rising piston might be pushing mixture out the carb before the valve closes.
> Do you have a crossover pipe linking the rear and front carbs?
> Duncan
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red
>
> On Nov 19, 2011, at 1:01 PM, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
>
>> recently had a chance to try the rebuilt tr3 motor on the race track and
>> experienced a strange problem. gas is blowing back thru the carbs. it's both
>> carbs and the gas is on the inside fender well, underside of hood, top side
>> of  the front fender, and leading edge of the rear fender .anyone have any
>> idea what's going on? seems like the intake valves are leaking or the valve
>> timing is retarded. any ideas/tests or suggestions appreciated.
>> ken m. vintage tr3 racer

From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Sat Nov 19 16:30:11 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 23:30:11 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin TX F1
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F06847F@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

I just want the track built  It may be sustainable without the F1 race, if
they scale back the build-out to something like a Road America standard. Bring
on the MotoGP, the Aussie V8's, add in Grand AM and maybe a few lesser series
and they'll be just enough time left over for a vintage weekend. Heck, without
F1 we might get two. I sway build it and they will come. Not my money!

BTW, I was at Daytona for the VIP tour Thursday and the Grand AM cars were
testing for two days. The new Daytona Prototypes that kind of look like a
something real were a big buzz, especially the Corvette. It didn't look like a
Corvette to me and the 911 was even less recognizable, but any buzz is good
buzz for road racing.

Barbara and I are here in Florida for a 100 mile cycling event called the
Horrible Hundred. Believe or not they have hills in the lake country in
central Florida. We rode up what they say is the steepest hill today and it
was just like what we have at home in central TX. I'll be wearing my FoT
jersey. Wish me luck.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Jason Ostrowski
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 3:45 PM
To: Bill Babcock
Cc: FOT of
Subject: Re: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:



> "It's snakes biting snakes. And if they can't come up with 25 million
> to satisfy their deal, how are they going to make the show work?
> That's chump change."
>
> "And Indy for F1? Come on. It sucked. I LOVE F1 and I couldn't bear to
> watch it".
>
> Yes Bill, good true points on the financial end. I won't argue the
> points about financial aspects of "big leagues".. I'm sure all that
> stuff was disclosed early on. Clearly more was bit off than could be
chewed.
> But, what was so bad about the Indy events? With the exception of the
> Michelin debacle, what sucked? I went to all the F1 races at
> Indianapolis and thought it was awesome.. and great for U.S. exposure
> to road racing. I have been to other F1 races (including Monaco) and I
thought those U.S.
> events were surely different but comparable and good on many levels.
> Jason, FGR
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Nov 19 19:54:13 2011
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 21:54:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
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I went to the first F1 race at Indy and I have to agree with Bill.

I swore I'd never go back to Indy ever again.  My God, you could not even get
a cup of coffee at the track in the morning. All they had was cheap beer.  The
track facilities were dilapidated, nothing was clean, and it made what should
have been a very reasonable ticket price seem expensive. The sight lines for
the fans watching the race were terrible, unless you were one of the few who
had tickets for the stands in F1 turn one.
The track announcers were clueless about road racing.  The entire thing was
very amateurish, at best, and an embarrassment to U.S. F1 fans, who have been
deprived of their "fix" for far too long.

Terry Stetler
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jason Ostrowski<mailto:jason at multivintage.com>
  To: Bill Babcock<mailto:billb at bnj.com>
  Cc: FOT of<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 4:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1


  On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Bill Babcock
<billb at bnj.com<mailto:billb at bnj.com>> wrote:



  > "It's snakes biting snakes. And if they can't
  > come up with 25 million to satisfy their deal, how are they going to make
  > the
  > show work? That's chump change."
  >
  > "And Indy for F1? Come on. It sucked. I LOVE F1 and I couldn't bear to
  > watch
  > it".
  >
  > Yes Bill, good true points on the financial end. I won't argue the points
  > about financial aspects of "big leagues".. I'm sure all that stuff was
  > disclosed early on. Clearly more was bit off than could be chewed.
  > But, what was so bad about the Indy events? With the exception of the
  > Michelin debacle, what sucked? I went to all the F1 races at Indianapolis
  > and thought it was awesome.. and great for U.S. exposure to road racing.
I
  > have been to other F1 races (including Monaco) and I thought those U.S.
  > events were surely different but comparable and good on many levels.
  > Jason, FGR
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 21:14:11 2011
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 22:14:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Track Day
Message-ID: <4B79970D-00F6-4DA5-8332-E5084065385A@aol.com>

I just had my first track day at Hallett.  I got a groupon for half price and
took advantage of it.  It was for high speed touring.  I did the driver's
school, and had an instructor ride with me the first time out.  I am running a
stock TR6 with 205-15 Michelins on Panasport wheels.  I put upgraded brakes on
the front and was very pleased with their performance.  I was basically a
moving roadblock so I just waved people by.  It's hard to keep up with a WRX
and the rest of the cars.  I did 3 sessions and called it a day.  I had a
blast!  I'll probably do it again in the spring and try to take the GT6 out.

Sam Clark

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Nov 20 07:06:00 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:06:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Track Day
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 sounds like a good start.

seems like the guys who started out slowly and grew with the activity have
been around the longest.





-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Clark <trdoctor at aol.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Nov 19, 2011 10:19 pm
Subject: [Fot] Track Day


I just had my first track day at Hallett.  I got a groupon for half price and
took advantage of it.  It was for high speed touring.  I did the driver's
school, and had an instructor ride with me the first time out.  I am running
a
stock TR6 with 205-15 Michelins on Panasport wheels.  I put upgraded brakes
on
the front and was very pleased with their performance.  I was basically a
moving roadblock so I just waved people by.  It's hard to keep up with a WRX
and the rest of the cars.  I did 3 sessions and called it a day.  I had a
blast!  I'll probably do it again in the spring and try to take the GT6 out.

Sam Clark
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sun Nov 20 11:02:55 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:02:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Track Day
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Message-ID: <A236D7CA7CB14F4A8DB3BBA506AB0633@owner8914bbf7f>

Comgrats Sam, it's all about having fun, isn't it?
Keep on having fun!
Bill, TR6 & 7
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 11:14 PM
Subject: [Fot] Track Day


>I just had my first track day at Hallett.  I got a groupon for half price 
>and
> took advantage of it.  It was for high speed touring.  I did the driver's
> school, and had an instructor ride with me the first time out.  I am 
> running a
> stock TR6 with 205-15 Michelins on Panasport wheels.  I put upgraded 
> brakes on
> the front and was very pleased with their performance.  I was basically a
> moving roadblock so I just waved people by.  It's hard to keep up with a 
> WRX
> and the rest of the cars.  I did 3 sessions and called it a day.  I had a
> blast!  I'll probably do it again in the spring and try to take the GT6 
> out.
>
> Sam Clark
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Nov 20 11:15:46 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 10:15:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Track Day
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	<A236D7CA7CB14F4A8DB3BBA506AB0633@owner8914bbf7f>
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Congratulations Sam!...What a milestone!
RB..Spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "william r tobin" <william.tobin31 at verizon.net>
To: "Sam Clark" <trdoctor at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Track Day


> Comgrats Sam, it's all about having fun, isn't it?
> Keep on having fun!
> Bill, TR6 & 7
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sam Clark" <trdoctor at aol.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 11:14 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Track Day
>
>
>>I just had my first track day at Hallett.  I got a groupon for half price 
>>and
>> took advantage of it.  It was for high speed touring.  I did the driver's
>> school, and had an instructor ride with me the first time out.  I am 
>> running a
>> stock TR6 with 205-15 Michelins on Panasport wheels.  I put upgraded 
>> brakes on
>> the front and was very pleased with their performance.  I was basically a
>> moving roadblock so I just waved people by.  It's hard to keep up with a 
>> WRX
>> and the rest of the cars.  I did 3 sessions and called it a day.  I had a
>> blast!  I'll probably do it again in the spring and try to take the GT6 
>> out.
>>
>> Sam Clark
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From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Mon Nov 21 15:11:25 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:11:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hutchens Rage Hybrid reviews
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My understanding has always been that the HANS protects us in a straight
line impact only.  I'm no expert, but it seems to me that the problem with
using F1, Nascar, etc. as examples of why the HANS is right for us is that
their cars provide extra protection from side to side head movement, either
by the halo type seat in Nascar or the tight cockpit sides in F1.  Our
vintage cars don't have anything like that to reduce the side to side head
movement we would experience in a non-frontal collision.  That's why I was
asking about is anyone had any experience with the Simpson Hybrid device,
which supposedly has straps that limit the side to side movement as well as
the straight ahead movement.  Based on the lack of responses, it doesn't
appear that anyone on FOT is using one so I might have to be the guinea
pig.  Don
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>wrote:

> I have the Hans and it's great.  World champion Sebastian Vettel and ALL
> the other F1 drivers wear it.  They go a little faster than we do.
>
> ~Steve
>
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Don Marshall wrote:
>
> I've been told that I will get a head/neck protection device for Christmas,
> but I have to decide which one.  It seems that most folks are using the
> HANS device, but I'm curious if any FOTers are using the Rage Hybrid.
> These are also approved for SCCA use and claim to have better side impact
> protection than the HANS, as well as being more comfortable.  If anyone is
> using one of these please let me know how you like it.  Thanks, Don
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Mon Nov 21 17:09:34 2011
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:09:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
Message-ID: <1d33b3e.12b8c.133c89b47e1.Webtop.21@optonline.net>

Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!

 
http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%20small/?action=view&current=11_11.jpg

Anyone know this car?
Todd Redmond

From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon Nov 21 17:26:27 2011
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 00:26:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
In-Reply-To: <1d33b3e.12b8c.133c89b47e1.Webtop.21@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <581029520.104237.1321921587400.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Interesting mod but that paint job is not my cup of tea!! 

Gary 

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Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 4:09:34 PM 
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3 

Thought this might be of interest to this fine group! 


http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%20small/?action=view&current=11_11.jpg 

Anyone know this car? 
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From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Nov 21 17:40:35 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 00:40:35 +0000
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
Message-ID: <mailman.3.1321922451.8171.fot@autox.team.net>

Actually, kind of cool. In a "don't take me too seriously" way. Fun, silly and I'll bet it really hauls the mail. Yes, interesting...
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
------Original Message------
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Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
Sent: Nov 21, 2011 6:09 PM

Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!

 
http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%20small/?action=view&current=11_11.jpg

Anyone know this car?
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Mon Nov 21 17:51:29 2011
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:51:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
In-Reply-To: <1d33b3e.12b8c.133c89b47e1.Webtop.21@optonline.net>
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What did the guy who built it think when he sobered up??? That's nightmare
material! 

Russ

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To: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3

Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!

 
http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%20small/?action=v
iew&current=11_11.jpg

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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Nov 21 18:04:51 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:04:51 -0800
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
References: <20111122005331.D8D531878FC@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <27661F28FDAF4ACEB043EF1A5E00C1FE@Bud>

I love it!...Really nice colors...As they say in the Hot Rod World..'The 
guy's not afraid of that bit_h"
RB
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<FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] A V8 TR3


> Actually, kind of cool. In a "don't take me too seriously" way. Fun, silly 
> and I'll bet it really hauls the mail. Yes, interesting...
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing
> ------Original Message------
> From: Todd Redmond
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> Sent: Nov 21, 2011 6:09 PM
>
> Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!
>
>
> http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%20small/?action=view&current=11_11.jpg
>
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Nov 21 18:35:52 2011
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 01:35:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
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Stand on the gas and just sit there doing a one wheel burnout and in the first turn at speed the old steel wheels will probably collapse if the tires don't peel off the rims first. End of story. Poor car. A lot of time and energy went into it, especially the headers. I wonder if it has nitrous. 


Dave 

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Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 5:04:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] A V8 TR3 

I love it!...Really nice colors...As they say in the Hot Rod World..'The 
guy's not afraid of that bit_h" 
RB 
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Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 4:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] A V8 TR3 


> Actually, kind of cool. In a "don't take me too seriously" way. Fun, silly 
> and I'll bet it really hauls the mail. Yes, interesting... 
> Jason Ostrowski 
> Friendly Ghost Racing 
> ------Original Message------ 
> From: Todd Redmond 
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> Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3 
> Sent: Nov 21, 2011 6:09 PM 
> 
> Thought this might be of interest to this fine group! 
> 
> 
> http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%20small/?action=view&current=11_11.jpg 
> 
> Anyone know this car? 
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From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 05:54:44 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:54:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
In-Reply-To: <1d33b3e.12b8c.133c89b47e1.Webtop.21@optonline.net>
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It was and is an interesting car, being a street car it is kind of neat, a
British hot rod ,  all of us like something a little different for the
street, not excited about the flames, and the stock wheels would have to
go, definatly better choices since he has spent all that money for the
motor and the install.


On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Todd Redmond <alfetta95 at optonline.net>wrote:

> Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!
>
>
> http://s1228.photobucket.com/**albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%**
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-- 
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Nov 22 08:30:41 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:30:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
Message-ID: <218a8.27d86db9.3bfd1a21@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/21/2011 6:09:55 PM Central Standard Time, 
alfetta95 at optonline.net writes:


> Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!
> 

My driving instructor at my first racing school was a guy named Hal 
Ullrich.  He was an ex-National Champion from the early mid 1950s.  I drove him 
crazy because I rode the synchros when down shifting.  He and his brother Bill 
owned and ran a 'Speed Shop' just north of Chicago.  They were heavily into 
racing, but also catered to serious collectors.  While they took care of 
some pretty exotic stuff, Hal told me that they handled lots of TR3s in those 
early days as well.  Their customers had big name marques for the track, and 
downstairs marques like TRIUMPH as daily drivers.  He said they put lots and 
lots of Chevy V8 engines in TRIUMPH TR3s.  It was the rage on Chicago's 
Gold Coast in those days.  That surprised me and I asked, "Where are they?  How 
come they never surface for sale these days?"  Hal said, "Most of them got 
wrapped around a tree."

Bill Dentinger

PS  The Ullrich brothers were bachelors, who lived and worked together all 
of their lives.  Hal passed away 10-12 years ago.  I think Bill is still 
alive.  He spent decades working on the development of an 'Ullrich' racing engin
e.  As far as I know, it never was finished, but whenever you ran into 
Bill, the traditional opening line was, "Bill...how's your engine coming?"    .  

From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Tue Nov 22 08:33:04 2011
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (wgrosenbach at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:33:04 GMT
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
Message-ID: <20111122.083304.7059.2@webmail04.vgs.untd.com>

A bit of an extreme comprise for equal length header tube on that right rear
cylinder! I need to locate the photos of the  matched pair of drag racers at
Bandimere Speedway.White with blue rocker stripes, like a Shelby; one a stock
TR-4 and the other (and much faster)TR-440.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Todd Redmond <alfetta95 at optonline.net>
To: "FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net" <FOT at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:09:34 -0500 (EST)

Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!


http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%20small/?action=vi
ew&current=11_11.jpg

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From jerrybarr at charter.net  Tue Nov 22 10:22:55 2011
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:22:55 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
In-Reply-To: <218a8.27d86db9.3bfd1a21@aol.com>
References: <218a8.27d86db9.3bfd1a21@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4F3463D1-3EF1-42F6-AA5E-8138DF067546@charter.net>

Bill do you remember seeing a red TR3 at Blackhawk maybe years ago that had
been widened about 6 inched and had a great big V8 transplanted into it?
On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:30 AM, billdentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 11/21/2011 6:09:55 PM Central Standard Time,
> alfetta95 at optonline.net writes:
>
>
>> Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!
>>
>
> My driving instructor at my first racing school was a guy named Hal
> Ullrich.  He was an ex-National Champion from the early mid 1950s.  I drove
him
> crazy because I rode the synchros when down shifting.  He and his brother
Bill
> owned and ran a 'Speed Shop' just north of Chicago.  They were heavily into
> racing, but also catered to serious collectors.  While they took care of
> some pretty exotic stuff, Hal told me that they handled lots of TR3s in
those
> early days as well.  Their customers had big name marques for the track, and
> downstairs marques like TRIUMPH as daily drivers.  He said they put lots and
> lots of Chevy V8 engines in TRIUMPH TR3s.  It was the rage on Chicago's
> Gold Coast in those days.  That surprised me and I asked, "Where are they?
How
> come they never surface for sale these days?"  Hal said, "Most of them got
> wrapped around a tree."
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
> PS  The Ullrich brothers were bachelors, who lived and worked together all
> of their lives.  Hal passed away 10-12 years ago.  I think Bill is still
> alive.  He spent decades working on the development of an 'Ullrich' racing
engin
> e.  As far as I know, it never was finished, but whenever you ran into
> Bill, the traditional opening line was, "Bill...how's your engine coming?"
.
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From dkettler1 at charter.net  Tue Nov 22 21:17:15 2011
From: dkettler1 at charter.net (David Kettler)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 22:17:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
In-Reply-To: <4F3463D1-3EF1-42F6-AA5E-8138DF067546@charter.net>
References: <218a8.27d86db9.3bfd1a21@aol.com>
	<4F3463D1-3EF1-42F6-AA5E-8138DF067546@charter.net>
Message-ID: <3A806982CDDE4FFC8BA328FC79E5EB5E@Davelaptop>

Jerry/Bill:

Cliff Ebben from Appleton, WI has a widened red TR3.  He put some sort of a 
Nissan big motor and drive train in it.  Very nicely done.

Dave Kettler

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jerry Barr
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 11:22 AM
To: billdentin at aol.com
Cc: triumph friends
Subject: Re: [Fot] A V8 TR3

Bill do you remember seeing a red TR3 at Blackhawk maybe years ago that had
been widened about 6 inched and had a great big V8 transplanted into it?
On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:30 AM, billdentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 11/21/2011 6:09:55 PM Central Standard Time,
> alfetta95 at optonline.net writes:
>
>
>> Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!
>>
>
> My driving instructor at my first racing school was a guy named Hal
> Ullrich.  He was an ex-National Champion from the early mid 1950s.  I 
> drove
him
> crazy because I rode the synchros when down shifting.  He and his brother
Bill
> owned and ran a 'Speed Shop' just north of Chicago.  They were heavily 
> into
> racing, but also catered to serious collectors.  While they took care of
> some pretty exotic stuff, Hal told me that they handled lots of TR3s in
those
> early days as well.  Their customers had big name marques for the track, 
> and
> downstairs marques like TRIUMPH as daily drivers.  He said they put lots 
> and
> lots of Chevy V8 engines in TRIUMPH TR3s.  It was the rage on Chicago's
> Gold Coast in those days.  That surprised me and I asked, "Where are they?
How
> come they never surface for sale these days?"  Hal said, "Most of them got
> wrapped around a tree."
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
> PS  The Ullrich brothers were bachelors, who lived and worked together all
> of their lives.  Hal passed away 10-12 years ago.  I think Bill is still
> alive.  He spent decades working on the development of an 'Ullrich' racing
engin
> e.  As far as I know, it never was finished, but whenever you ran into
> Bill, the traditional opening line was, "Bill...how's your engine coming?"
.
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Nov 23 00:23:34 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 00:23:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
In-Reply-To: <4F3463D1-3EF1-42F6-AA5E-8138DF067546@charter.net>
References: <218a8.27d86db9.3bfd1a21@aol.com>
	<4F3463D1-3EF1-42F6-AA5E-8138DF067546@charter.net>
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He got the whitewalls half right.  Your judgement as to which half.

mjb.

From Colordog.1 at Earthlink.Net  Wed Nov 23 22:15:38 2011
From: Colordog.1 at Earthlink.Net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:15:38 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Video from Willow Springs
Message-ID: <F4908943-EEFC-43C7-80E2-519FB4D23239@Earthlink.Net>

Here are a few laps from Willow Springs Raceway earlier this month.  I  
had fun racing with fellow FOT John Frymark.

http://vimeo.com/31705138

~Steve

From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Sat Nov 26 06:04:59 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:04:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] F1 in America video
Message-ID: <CALsVEtBVKCZDGErfJY8UQQqZ9BF01zzJEZNud5eqDvmOZv38jw@mail.gmail.com>

Link to video ad for F1 at the new track in Austin, showing the track in
progress.  For all I know the F1 plan may be dead but the video was well
done.  Don


http://youtu.be/0tEHQJn_hxo

From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Nov 26 10:32:46 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 9:32:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] F1 in America video
In-Reply-To: <CALsVEtBVKCZDGErfJY8UQQqZ9BF01zzJEZNud5eqDvmOZv38jw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111126123246.11NWG.104610.imail@eastrmwml106>

IF  it really happens!
---- Don Marshall <donmarshall at nefcom.net> wrote: 
> Link to video ad for F1 at the new track in Austin, showing the track in
> progress.  For all I know the F1 plan may be dead but the video was well
> done.  Don
> 
> 
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 29 20:22:52 2011
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:22:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Speedsters
Message-ID: <1322623372.24022.YahooMailRC@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - I am getting the TR4 out of moth balls for the Kastner Cup in the 
Spring.
Anyone have any Hoosier Speedsters to sell?

D

From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Nov 30 12:54:57 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:54:57 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Austin F1, there is still hope
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F079923@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

I just want the track finished so I can have a home town track.........
1:30 PM
Ecclestone pushes Grand Prix deadline back one week
By: Associated Press
Formula One boss Bernie Ecclestone has given organizers of next year's U.S.
Grand Prix another week to save the Texas race by proving they have the
finances in place.
Ecclestone had wanted organizers to sign a contract by Wednesday, but extended
his deadline to next Wednesday when the World Motor Sport Council ratifies the
2012 calendar.
The F1 boss told The Associated Press in a telephone interview that "the
deadline hasn't been met so we are still trying to make it happen ... they
need to get some money and a pen."
Ecclestone is adamant "if it isn't all signed before the World Motor Sport
Council meeting (the race) can't happen."
Copyright 2011 Associated Press, All rights reserved.
This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell

Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out.
<http://walkthetalk.us1.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=8f89bce0be7e1813d8ad34
042&id=abf4a5c42b&e=7085705c50> ~John Wooden

From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Nov 30 13:04:16 2011
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 15:04:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Austin F1, there is still hope
In-Reply-To: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F079923@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
References: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F079923@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ1+nOSeAP3ajTcE8Tra_ZW-0pUPeF3dNg3j=FziShzNvQ2pZg@mail.gmail.com>

Jay Lamm has offered to host the F1 cars at the Texas Motor Speedway 24
hours of LeMons, though he has noted some of the F1 drivers will need to
attend the 'No Contact Allowed' discussion/lecture.

:)


On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Kramer, Robert <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>wrote:

> I just want the track finished so I can have a home town track.........
> 1:30 PM
> Ecclestone pushes Grand Prix deadline back one week
> By: Associated Press
> Formula One boss Bernie Ecclestone has given organizers of next year's U.S.
> Grand Prix another week to save the Texas race by proving they have the
> finances in place.
> Ecclestone had wanted organizers to sign a contract by Wednesday, but
> extended
> his deadline to next Wednesday when the World Motor Sport Council ratifies
> the
> 2012 calendar.
> The F1 boss told The Associated Press in a telephone interview that "the
> deadline hasn't been met so we are still trying to make it happen ... they
> need to get some money and a pen."
> Ecclestone is adamant "if it isn't all signed before the World Motor Sport
> Council meeting (the race) can't happen."
> Copyright 2011 Associated Press, All rights reserved.
> This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Southern Construction Inventory Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-687-7422 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
>
> Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things
> turn
> out.
> <
> http://walkthetalk.us1.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=8f89bce0be7e1813d8ad34
> 042&id=abf4a5c42b&e=7085705c50> ~John Wooden
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Nov 30 13:10:42 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:10:42 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Austin F1, there is still hope
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1+nOSeAP3ajTcE8Tra_ZW-0pUPeF3dNg3j=FziShzNvQ2pZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F079923@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
	<CAJ1+nOSeAP3ajTcE8Tra_ZW-0pUPeF3dNg3j=FziShzNvQ2pZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F079972@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

Good, we can hook up a chain and have them tow our TR6 around.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell

Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out.
<http://walkthetalk.us1.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=8f89bce0be7e1813d8ad34
042&id=abf4a5c42b&e=7085705c50> ~John Wooden
From: robert bownes [mailto:bownes at seiri.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 2:04 PM
To: Kramer, Robert
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Austin F1, there is still hope


Jay Lamm has offered to host the F1 cars at the Texas Motor Speedway 24 hours
of LeMons, though he has noted some of the F1 drivers will need to attend the
'No Contact Allowed' discussion/lecture.

:)

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Kramer, Robert
<RKramer at rdoequipment.com<mailto:RKramer at rdoequipment.com>> wrote:
I just want the track finished so I can have a home town track.........
1:30 PM
Ecclestone pushes Grand Prix deadline back one week
By: Associated Press
Formula One boss Bernie Ecclestone has given organizers of next year's U.S.
Grand Prix another week to save the Texas race by proving they have the
finances in place.
Ecclestone had wanted organizers to sign a contract by Wednesday, but
extended
his deadline to next Wednesday when the World Motor Sport Council ratifies
the
2012 calendar.
The F1 boss told The Associated Press in a telephone interview that "the
deadline hasn't been met so we are still trying to make it happen ... they
need to get some money and a pen."
Ecclestone is adamant "if it isn't all signed before the World Motor Sport
Council meeting (the race) can't happen."
Copyright 2011 Associated Press, All rights reserved.
This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422<tel:512-687-7422> Office
512-657-8526<tel:512-657-8526> Cell

Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out.
<http://walkthetalk.us1.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=8f89bce0be7e1813d8ad34
042&id=abf4a5c42b&e=7085705c50<http://walkthetalk.us1.list-manage1.com/track/
click?u=8f89bce0be7e1813d8ad34%0A042&id=abf4a5c42b&e=7085705c50>> ~John
Wooden
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov  1 05:11:04 2011
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 04:11:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <CA+ZF2X1G3qGosVXDyHPKox-=buPQFFkPGO_OWgAW6U7B_DgPuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
	<CA+ZF2X1G3qGosVXDyHPKox-=buPQFFkPGO_OWgAW6U7B_DgPuw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1320145864.25724.YahooMailNeo@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This is the only additive that my Dad, a former GM engine designer
ever
recommended. It was unavailable for a number of years, and
may be available at
your local GM dealer as well.
 
As some of you know, my Dad was the designer
of record for the
Buick 215 which became the Rover/Triumph 3.5. (As well as
other
lumps).
 
Doug

From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
To:
Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net>
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net; Friends of triumph
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot]
Zinc Additive.

I just bought some of this but haven't tried it yet -- GM's
EOS additive:

http://tinyurl.com/3kss8hn
Duncan

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at
10:47 AM, Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I have torn down
4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out cams.
> The latest was a
performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes
> severely worn.
>
> I
know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if any
> Zinc
Additives are out there.
>
> For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn 30wt
break in oil, Valvoline
> Racing oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest in
zinc of the diesel oils)
>
> As these engines age their owners are going to
start changing their own oil,
> Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
> As
I understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
> I'm
running it in my engine as well.
>
> I'm now very concerned and would like to
get this under control with an
> additive.
>
> Any Suggestions?
> Thanks in
Advance
> Glenn Franco
> Too Many TR's
>
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Tue Nov  1 07:54:57 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 09:54:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Oil Supplement
Message-ID: <4EAFFA31.4050505@charter.net>

Thanks to all for the insight on Zinc oil additives.
The reason I have been looking for an additive or supplement is that I 
have a supply of Castrol 20w50 that I would like to use up.
I also found that GM's OES is still available and Summit Racing has it 
for ~$17 a bottle.
Bardall and Lucas also has a supplement for ~ $15 a bottle.
Eldebrock has some on Jegs site. We did use Valvoline VR1 (?) 20w50 in 
one of the engines and the latest is getting 30w Brad Penn.
Brad Penn is hard to find around here. I will start using Mobil 1 15w50 
or Rotella 15w40 in my own engines after the break in period.
Thanks
Glenn Franco
Too Many TR's


From ac at camoletti.ch  Tue Nov  1 08:31:36 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:31:36 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <CA+UW8b3RAK55gKjtpGE3=uuWNgvsd9sVm=HegHUj0YzbVFcKcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UW8b3RAK55gKjtpGE3=uuWNgvsd9sVm=HegHUj0YzbVFcKcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003401cc98a2$f70e1180$e52a3480$@camoletti.ch>

Hi there!
According to their tech dept, there are a few PENRITE oils with more that
0.1% ZZDP (1000 ppm-parts per million)

HPR and HPRD series
HPR Gas series
SIN series
Every Day Synthetic series
Every Day Driving series
Marine 4 Stroke
Small Engine Oil series
Diesel LA
Diesel GS
Multi Truck 25

There is also the CRANE additive, called Break In concentrate.
According to Crane service dept it will raise the ZDDP content of 1 gallon
of oil by 400ppm if I remember well, ie 0.04% more
Cheers!
Alex


-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Enquiries Road & Track
Envoyi : mardi 1 novembre 2011 04:02
@ : fot at autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] Zinc Additive.

i have been using quite ordinary oils in my race 2500/TR6 engines for almost
30 years and never had an oil related failure, eg cam lobes worn off

in recent years i have used off-shelf Mobil 1 (not the racing version). The
current version is called 15-50. See this table to check out its zinc &
phosphorous levels.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf

In my engine machine shop business we have seen this occur with flat tappet
V8 engines, especially old Ford side-valve ones and more recently Chevs, but
usually owners have filled them with very modern oils.

The "tappet" problem that people refer to is not restricted to old engines.
nearly every modern engine has a tappet (now days called a cam bucket), but
most modern OHC engines have very soft cam profiles and very large diameter
tappets. none-the-less, the oil shear problems can still occur .

.Terry
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Nov  1 08:32:14 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 10:32:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
Message-ID: <3305d.31442d0b.3be15cee@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/01/2011 5:32:48 AM Central Standard Time, 
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:


> As some of you know, my Dad was the designer
> of record for the
> Buick 215 which became the Rover/Triumph 3.5. (As well as
> other
> lumps).
> 

WOW!  Some people feel that was one of the best engines ever built.

Bill Dentinger


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Tue Nov  1 12:04:14 2011
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 13:04:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4EB0349E.5080008@bright.net>

Glenn, the first 30 seconds and then the first 5 minutes of new engine 
(or cam) start up are the critical cam life determining time. Inadequate 
or poor quality cam lube, trying to build oil pressure by turning with 
the starter rather than fully pressurizing he system first, high ratio 
rocker arms and excessive valve spring pressure all will wipe cam 
lobes.  The other factor is inital run-in time and procedure. Three 
years ago we  spent almost a year researching oils and zinc issue. We 
spoke  with Comp Cams, Joe Gibbs, Mobil, Brad Penn and others.Finally 
settled on Brad Penn. They have a good selection of grades plus they 
have break-in oil. We build a lot of engines and this has worked for us. 
Commercial content - Brad Penn break-in oil is $6/qt.  All other weights 
are $5/qt  Ted


On 10/31/2011 12:47 PM, Glenn Franco wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I have torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out 
> cams.
> The latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes 
> severely worn.
>
> I know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if 
> any Zinc Additives are out there.
>
> For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn 30wt break in oil, Valvoline 
> Racing oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest in zinc of the diesel 
> oils)
>
> As these engines age their owners are going to start changing their 
> own oil, Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
> As I understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
> I'm running it in my engine as well.
>
> I'm now very concerned and would like to get this under control with 
> an additive.
>
> Any Suggestions?
> Thanks in Advance
> Glenn Franco
> Too Many TR's
>
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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Tue Nov  1 23:20:02 2011
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 01:20:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Brad-Penn Refinery
Message-ID: <A78C2B8A0BEA4D1E8837D5D7B98F2776@Bucktailus>

I have been watching the discussion about the  zinc content in racing oil, and
the high regard that many have for Brad-Penn.  I am not a stock holder in the
Brad-Penn refinery, but surely could be.  I grew up, literally, in the shadow
of the Kendall Refinery. That refinery is now the Brad-Penn refinery,  as Irv
Korey has stated.  The "Brad" comes from the town where the refinery is
located - Bradford, PA.  I lived less than 1/4 mile from the refinery. The
street that runs along one side of the refinery is Kendall Ave. I walked that
street four times each day going to and from Grade School.  My father-in-law
was an independent oil producer and some of his wells were within the area of
what we called a tank farm, belonging to the Kendall Refinery.  My sister
(during the second world war) worked in the control lab.  One of my cousins
worked, for a number of years, in the packing plant office, and a good friend,
Bruce Klussman, was in charge of the racing promotion program when it was
still Kendall.  I still have connections that I can refer to, but it sounds
like the ones interested are getting all the information that is needed.  So,
you can see why the recent discussion is of particular interest to me.
Bob Johns


From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 06:29:35 2011
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 08:29:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Brad-Penn Refinery
In-Reply-To: <A78C2B8A0BEA4D1E8837D5D7B98F2776@Bucktailus>
References: <A78C2B8A0BEA4D1E8837D5D7B98F2776@Bucktailus>
Message-ID: <000b01cc995b$14f44c10$3edce430$@net>

I use Brad-Penn works for me (next subject)

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Robert Johns
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 1:20 AM
To: FOT team
Subject: [Fot] Brad-Penn Refinery

I have been watching the discussion about the  zinc content in racing oil,
and
the high regard that many have for Brad-Penn.  I am not a stock holder in
the
Brad-Penn refinery, but surely could be.  I grew up, literally, in the
shadow
of the Kendall Refinery. That refinery is now the Brad-Penn refinery,  as
Irv
Korey has stated.  The "Brad" comes from the town where the refinery is
located - Bradford, PA.  I lived less than 1/4 mile from the refinery. The
street that runs along one side of the refinery is Kendall Ave. I walked
that
street four times each day going to and from Grade School.  My father-in-law
was an independent oil producer and some of his wells were within the area
of
what we called a tank farm, belonging to the Kendall Refinery.  My sister
(during the second world war) worked in the control lab.  One of my cousins
worked, for a number of years, in the packing plant office, and a good
friend,
Bruce Klussman, was in charge of the racing promotion program when it was
still Kendall.  I still have connections that I can refer to, but it sounds
like the ones interested are getting all the information that is needed.
So,
you can see why the recent discussion is of particular interest to me.
Bob Johns
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed Nov  2 08:24:26 2011
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 07:24:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
Message-ID: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve


From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net  Wed Nov  2 08:45:30 2011
From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 07:45:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire differential - broken pinion teeth
Message-ID: <1320245130.60779.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Our last race of the season, the CSRG season finale at Thunderhill, didn't go
so 

well.  On the first warm-up session, my wife pulls into the paddock early
and 
says the rear end is making a clunking sound. Turns out the pinion has
two 
broken teeth. Not completely missing, each one lost about 1/3 of the
tooth.

I have a spare stock diff (FC85870) but the axle flanges don't
match. Looks like 

my original diff (FC2669) was upgraded to 1500 bits with
larger flanges, 
bearings, and 7/8" 20 spline shafts.  The rear case must have
been changed also 
to accommodate the larger bearings. I'm assuming all this
was done to fit the 
detroit locker, and heavy duty axles.  Suppose to be
Mother Mueller parts
according to the PO.

So I now have two winter projects -
fix the original diff and upgrade the spare 
so it 

fits.

Anyone familiar
with these changes?

Does the stock 4:11 crown and pinion 510005 work with the
Detroit locker?

Thanks,
Tim


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 09:22:06 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:22:06 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
In-Reply-To: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001801cc9973$30ed7960$92c86c20$@com>

Once a year if the engine is doing well.

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Steven Belfer
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 15:24
An: fot at autox.team.net Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Wed Nov  2 09:30:36 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 11:30:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
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Every Race....

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Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval


As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 10:22:16 2011
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:22:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
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After each race is a good time 

Craig


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Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Nov  2 10:34:10 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 11:34:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
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After the first race following a rebuild (switch from non-synthetic 
to synthetic), then at the end of the season (drain it before the 
next rebuild).  I rebuild each season whether it needs it or not.

Tony Drews

At 09:24 AM 11/2/2011, Steven Belfer wrote:
>As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....
>
>
>How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?
>
>
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From jhouathome at aol.com  Wed Nov  2 10:36:27 2011
From: jhouathome at aol.com (John Houlton)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:36:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
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After each and every engine failure, without exception!  Just kidding.  Every
race if I ran the complete weekend, every session.  If I miss a few sessions
or it is a short schedule, I'll go 2 weekends.
John



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Every Race....
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ubject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

s the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....

ow frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?

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From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 11:16:07 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 10:16:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
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Message-ID: <F05D1735C9EC4223B2FA8B4FAB2CB809@Bud>

I change Mobil 15-50synthetic oil once per season(4-6 races)..(unless 
something has happened)...When i used regular racing oil I changed every 
race..
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 7:24 AM
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval


> As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....
>
>
> How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?
>
>
> ~Steve
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 11:19:05 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:19:05 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
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Isn't that too often?
Why should that be affordable?

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von Craig
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 17:22
An: 'Steven Belfer'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

After each race is a good time

Craig


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Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:24 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 11:35:12 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:35:12 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval - ZDDP?
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	<000401cc997b$96229e20$c267da60$@net> 
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It is very interesting to notice that in Europe there is almost no ZDDP
discussion.
Why is everybody in USA talking about ZDDP while in Europe there is almost
no interest in that stuff and about 99 percent of the vintage scene doesn't
know about existence.

Is ZDDP maybe replaced with better stuff and not needed anymore?

I run Castrol 10w60 or Liqui Moly 10w60 or Mobil1 5w50.
I have no idea if they contain ZDDP or not but I have no trouble with
tappets or cams.
And Larrys cam is really hard on that stuff.

So what is the secret with ZDDP?

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 18:19
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

Isn't that too often?
Why should that be affordable?

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von Craig
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 17:22
An: 'Steven Belfer'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

After each race is a good time

Craig


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Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:24 AM
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Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From barry at penybryn.ca  Wed Nov  2 12:30:45 2011
From: barry at penybryn.ca (Barry Munson)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:30:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW: FW: Crank-scraper Triumph TR7
Message-ID: <001601cc998d$8b5c1d10$a2145730$@ca>

Amici - FYI - if anyone is looking for a crank scraper-windage tray for a
TR7 engine Kevin is a useful resource to check out. I had him make a crank
scraper- windage tray and baffle for the TR3. Superb engineering, fit and
finish. Based on this product I ordered one for the Volvo. Absolutely no
NFI.
Barry.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Johnson [mailto:Kevin_Johnson at crank-scrapers.com] 
Sent: November-02-11 11:17 AM
To: Barry Munson
Subject: RE: FW: Crank-scraper Triumph TR4 tracking number

Hi Barry,

Yours will be sent shortly (the fifth of seven sets that I have cut).   
Thanks for being patient.

If you know anyone with the TR-7 type engine, I am working on patterns  
for that.  Hopefully the head on the core I have will not be locked on.

Kind regards,

Kevin


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Quoting Barry Munson <barry at penybryn.ca>:

> Hi Kevin - Could you please give me an update on this order. Ordered
August
> 03, paid for August 04.
> Thanks.
> Barry.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Munson [mailto:barry at penybryn.ca]
> Sent: August-03-11 10:49 AM
> To: 'Kevin Johnson'
> Subject: RE: FW: Crank-scraper Triumph TR4 tracking number
>
> Hi Kevin - Thanks for the information below. I would like to order both
the
> windage tray and scraper for the Volvo B20 engine. Do still have my card
> info, if not, I'll phone it in. Could you please give me an estimated
> delivery time - only have one race left this season so this will be part
of
> the winter rebuild.
> Thanks.
> Barry.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Johnson [mailto:Kevin_Johnson at crank-scrapers.com]
> Sent: April-17-11 12:33 PM
> To: Barry Munson
> Subject: RE: FW: Crank-scraper Triumph TR4 tracking number
>
> Hi Barry,
>
> I have attached a pic of the windage tray for that engine ($199.95) and
the
> website shows the general steel dual scraper (look at the B230 but the
> counterweight cutouts are a little different) $109.95.
> http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Volvo.html
>
> The P1800 is a nice car design.
>
> Shipping weight will probably be about 8 pounds.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
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> Quoting Barry Munson <barry at penybryn.ca>:
>
>> Hi Kevin - Thanks for the info. Everything fits perfectly. Once the new
> oil
>> pump pickup arrives from Greg Solow I may have one additional question.
>> This is one fine "piece of kit". So much so that I would like to do
>> something similar to my primary race car (this is the car that has been
>> getting the living snot beat out of it every year since 1980)  - a 1970
>> Volvo P1800 with a B20 motor. I noticed on your web site that you have
>> developed something for this application. Could you please provide me
with
>> what you would recommend and a quote for the options.
>> Thanks very much.
>> Barry.


From harmug at us.ibm.com  Wed Nov  2 12:36:56 2011
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 14:36:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 60, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7393.1320254174.2939.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OFD0F55A09.582DF62F-ON8525793C.0065ADEB-8525793C.006642A2@us.ibm.com>

"How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?"

Never, it's British. I just keep it full, draining the old oil is done by
design.

mike


G. Michael Harmuth


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 13:02:02 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 20:02:02 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval - ZDDP?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74026849CC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net><000401cc997b$96229e20$c267da60$@net>
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Maybe.
I have no idea if there is ZDDP in full synthetic oils I run.

But the main difference between US and EU is the cam design.
We run flat cams and flat tappets while in USA there are most cams cone
grinds with domed tappets.
Maybe these US versions of cams and tappets need ZDDP?

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 19:23
An: MadMarx
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Oil Change Interval - ZDDP?

Maybe it was never taken out of your oils?

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:35 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval - ZDDP?

It is very interesting to notice that in Europe there is almost no ZDDP
discussion.
Why is everybody in USA talking about ZDDP while in Europe there is
almost
no interest in that stuff and about 99 percent of the vintage scene
doesn't
know about existence.

Is ZDDP maybe replaced with better stuff and not needed anymore?

I run Castrol 10w60 or Liqui Moly 10w60 or Mobil1 5w50.
I have no idea if they contain ZDDP or not but I have no trouble with
tappets or cams.
And Larrys cam is really hard on that stuff.

So what is the secret with ZDDP?

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 18:19
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

Isn't that too often?
Why should that be affordable?

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Craig
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 17:22
An: 'Steven Belfer'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

After each race is a good time

Craig


-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Steven Belfer
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:24 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 13:15:56 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:15:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
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On Lake Speed's advice ( Works for Joe Gibbs ) I change my filter every weekend and oil every third weekend. 

We had a conversation about average run time over a race weekend and this is what he suggested. 

He also said it was important to change the filter right after you run in a new cam ( 20 min runtime ) 



Jim g 



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To: "fot at autox.team.net Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 8:24:26 AM 
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval 

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on.... 


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter? 


~Steve 
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Nov  2 13:55:18 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:55:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] [6pack]   Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com>
	<013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>

Google "ZDDP"

You'll get so much information, your head will explode.

Executive summary: yes, there is a correlation. The summary of the 
correlation is that without ZDDP in break-in, cam failure is certain. 
THere may be supporting data that without ZDDP during normal use that 
failure probable - all things considered.

But there are other factors for excessive cam wear and you need to account 
for ALL of them. Material surface hardness, proper materials in the first 
place, proper break-in, proper valve spring pressure, proper rocker 
geometry and so forth.

regards,
rml
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2011, Ruffner, James A *HS wrote:

> Does anyone know what the correlation is between cam wear and the zinc
> additive?  I do not remember ever having heard of this.
> ________________________________________
> From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> Irv Korey [emanteno at comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 7:38 PM
> To: DJFidler at rogers.com
> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net; REK46 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [6pack] [Fot]  Zinc Additive.
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:36 PM, David Fidler <DJFidler at rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> Brad Penn is still sold under the Kendall GR-1 name in Canada, available
>> from Crescent Oil in Hamilton, ON.
>>
>
>
> According to the Brad Penn website, the Kendall name was sold to a 3rd
> party when the refinery was sold. Because of that, the oil from that
> refinery had to be
> re-named, and they came up with Brad Penn. Kendall GR-1 may still be
> available, but unless they are buying it from the company that
> owns Brad Penn, it isn't the same oil that it used to be. NFI
>
> http://www.penngrade1.com/History.aspx
>
> Irv Korey
> 74 TR6 CF22767U
> Highland Park, IL
>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Nov  2 14:00:39 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:00:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval - ZDDP?
In-Reply-To: <002301cc9985$c98cf4e0$5ca6dea0$@com>
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
	<000401cc997b$96229e20$c267da60$@net> 
	<002301cc9985$c98cf4e0$5ca6dea0$@com>
Message-ID: <084001cc999a$18847910$498d6b30$@rr.com>

> It is very interesting to notice that in Europe there is almost no ZDDP
> discussion.

I could be mistaken, but I believe it is just starting over there, much like
the debate over lead in fuel started 20 years later in Europe than in the
US.  For example,
http://www.millersoils.net/1_downloads/literature/general/ZDDP.pdf

-- Randall 


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 14:26:38 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 21:26:38 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
In-Reply-To: <1234495485.1422200.1320261356359.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
	<1234495485.1422200.1320261356359.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <004601cc999d$bb8c6fc0$32a54f40$@com>

" He also said it was important to change the filter right after you run in
a new cam ( 20 min runtime )"

That is an interesting statement. Why this?
On a new cam should be NO wear.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 20:16
An: Steven Belfer
Cc: fot at autox.team.net Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

On Lake Speed's advice ( Works for Joe Gibbs ) I change my filter every
weekend and oil every third weekend.

We had a conversation about average run time over a race weekend and this is
what he suggested.

He also said it was important to change the filter right after you run in a
new cam ( 20 min runtime )



Jim g



----- Original Message -----


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To: "fot at autox.team.net Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 8:24:26 AM
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 14:42:28 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 20:42:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
In-Reply-To: <004601cc999d$bb8c6fc0$32a54f40$@com>
Message-ID: <870637209.1426774.1320266548877.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I don't think he was worried about the cam generating debris or particulates,
I think it was intended to remove any

particulates that might be created by normal initial break in.



jim g



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From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net, "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 2:26:38 PM
Subject: AW: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

" He also said it was important to change the filter right after you run in
a new cam ( 20 min runtime )"

That is an interesting statement. Why this?
On a new cam should be NO wear.

Cheers
Chris

-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 20:16
An: Steven Belfer
Cc: fot at autox.team.net Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

On Lake Speed's advice ( Works for Joe Gibbs ) I change my filter every
weekend and oil every third weekend.

We had a conversation about average run time over a race weekend and this is
what he suggested.

He also said it was important to change the filter right after you run in a
new cam ( 20 min runtime )



Jim g



----- Original Message -----


From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "fot at autox.team.net Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 8:24:26 AM
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 14:58:56 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 21:58:56 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
In-Reply-To: <870637209.1426774.1320266548877.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <004601cc999d$bb8c6fc0$32a54f40$@com>
	<870637209.1426774.1320266548877.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <005d01cc99a2$3deac710$b9c05530$@com>

Well, after a short warming up to retorque the head nuts I go for a ride with
high reves and lots of full throttle.

No time to change oil. The oil remains in the engine for the season.





Von: toodamnfunky at comcast.net [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 21:42
An: MadMarx
Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Steven Belfer
Betreff: Re: AW: [Fot] Oil Change Interval



I don't think he was worried about the cam generating debris or particulates,
I think it was intended to remove any

particulates that might be created by normal initial break in.



jim g

  _____

From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net, "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 2:26:38 PM
Subject: AW: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

" He also said it was important to change the filter right after you run in
a new cam ( 20 min runtime )"

That is an interesting statement. Why this?
On a new cam should be NO wear.

Cheers
Chris

-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 20:16
An: Steven Belfer
Cc: fot at autox.team.net Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

On Lake Speed's advice ( Works for Joe Gibbs ) I change my filter every
weekend and oil every third weekend.

We had a conversation about average run time over a race weekend and this is
what he suggested.

He also said it was important to change the filter right after you run in a
new cam ( 20 min runtime )



Jim g



----- Original Message -----


From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "fot at autox.team.net Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 8:24:26 AM
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 15:10:06 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 22:10:06 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval - ZDDP?
In-Reply-To: <084001cc999a$18847910$498d6b30$@rr.com>
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
	<000401cc997b$96229e20$c267da60$@net>
	<002301cc9985$c98cf4e0$5ca6dea0$@com>
	<084001cc999a$18847910$498d6b30$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <006801cc99a3$ce8cba70$6ba62f50$@com>

You're right with lead and fuel as US cars had converters very early.
But I think that the pollution laws in Europe (especially Germany) are now
much more strict than in USA.
With green technique Germany is far ahead of every nation at the moment.
Even our vintage race cars run converters :-) - Exception - F1 are allowed
to run without.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Randall
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 21:01
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval - ZDDP?

> It is very interesting to notice that in Europe there is almost no ZDDP
> discussion.

I could be mistaken, but I believe it is just starting over there, much like
the debate over lead in fuel started 20 years later in Europe than in the
US.  For example,
http://www.millersoils.net/1_downloads/literature/general/ZDDP.pdf

-- Randall
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Nov  2 15:16:11 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:16:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com><013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com><9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8CE67BBC7EB878E-FD0-145A5E@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com>

 Use of bronze guides is or can be an issue here.

ESPECIALLY those not properly clearanced.

It ALSO seems that cast iron guides are 'slippery' while bronze can create
added friction and wear.

We dont use bronze guides anymore.









-----Original Message-----
From: Robert M. Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: Ruffner, James A *HS <JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu>
Cc: 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>; REK46
<REK46 at aol.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 4:04 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] [Fot]  Zinc Additive.


Google "ZDDP"

You'll get so much information, your head will explode.

Executive summary: yes, there is a correlation. The summary of the
correlation is that without ZDDP in break-in, cam failure is certain.
THere may be supporting data that without ZDDP during normal use that
failure probable - all things considered.

But there are other factors for excessive cam wear and you need to account
for ALL of them. Material surface hardness, proper materials in the first
place, proper break-in, proper valve spring pressure, proper rocker
geometry and so forth.

regards,
rml
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Former NER Solo Chair                          |
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---------------------------------------------------------------------------


On Wed, 2 Nov 2011, Ruffner, James A *HS wrote:

> Does anyone know what the correlation is between cam wear and the zinc
> additive?  I do not remember ever having heard of this.
> ________________________________________
> From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of
> Irv Korey [emanteno at comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 7:38 PM
> To: DJFidler at rogers.com
> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net; REK46 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [6pack] [Fot]  Zinc Additive.
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:36 PM, David Fidler <DJFidler at rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> Brad Penn is still sold under the Kendall GR-1 name in Canada, available
>> from Crescent Oil in Hamilton, ON.
>>
>
>
> According to the Brad Penn website, the Kendall name was sold to a 3rd
> party when the refinery was sold. Because of that, the oil from that
> refinery had to be
> re-named, and they came up with Brad Penn. Kendall GR-1 may still be
> available, but unless they are buying it from the company that
> owns Brad Penn, it isn't the same oil that it used to be. NFI
>
> http://www.penngrade1.com/History.aspx
>
> Irv Korey
> 74 TR6 CF22767U
> Highland Park, IL
>
> ________________________________________
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 15:33:16 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 22:33:16 +0100
Subject: [Fot] [6pack]   Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com>
	<013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <007001cc99a7$09de3f10$1d9abd30$@com>

Yes - google finds loads of info about this.

But I think that if ZDDP would so important than loads of engines - even
modern engines - would fail with cam trouble.
The design has not changed much over the last 50 years.

I believe in problems with geometry of the cam/tappet design as cause for
all this trouble, as my cam problem was solved with grinding the tappets
flat.
Before that I lost 3 cams.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Robert M. Lang
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 20:55
An: Ruffner, James A *HS
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net; Irv Korey; fot at autox.team.net; DJFidler at rogers.com
Betreff: Re: [Fot] [6pack] Zinc Additive.

Google "ZDDP"

You'll get so much information, your head will explode.

Executive summary: yes, there is a correlation. The summary of the
correlation is that without ZDDP in break-in, cam failure is certain.
THere may be supporting data that without ZDDP during normal use that
failure probable - all things considered.

But there are other factors for excessive cam wear and you need to account
for ALL of them. Material surface hardness, proper materials in the first
place, proper break-in, proper valve spring pressure, proper rocker
geometry and so forth.

regards,
rml
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---------------------------------------------------------------------------


On Wed, 2 Nov 2011, Ruffner, James A *HS wrote:

> Does anyone know what the correlation is between cam wear and the zinc
> additive?  I do not remember ever having heard of this.
> ________________________________________
> From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of
> Irv Korey [emanteno at comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 7:38 PM
> To: DJFidler at rogers.com
> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net; REK46 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [6pack] [Fot]  Zinc Additive.
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:36 PM, David Fidler <DJFidler at rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> Brad Penn is still sold under the Kendall GR-1 name in Canada, available
>> from Crescent Oil in Hamilton, ON.
>>
>
>
> According to the Brad Penn website, the Kendall name was sold to a 3rd
> party when the refinery was sold. Because of that, the oil from that
> refinery had to be
> re-named, and they came up with Brad Penn. Kendall GR-1 may still be
> available, but unless they are buying it from the company that
> owns Brad Penn, it isn't the same oil that it used to be. NFI
>
> http://www.penngrade1.com/History.aspx
>
> Irv Korey
> 74 TR6 CF22767U
> Highland Park, IL
>
> ________________________________________
>
> 6pack at autox.team.net
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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 17:34:05 2011
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:34:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
In-Reply-To: <001f01cc9983$8773cae0$965b60a0$@com>
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
	<000401cc997b$96229e20$c267da60$@net>
	<001f01cc9983$8773cae0$965b60a0$@com>
Message-ID: <001701cc99b7$e9989e60$bcc9db20$@net>

Back in the day we pull engine and go though it

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 1:19 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

Isn't that too often?
Why should that be affordable?

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Craig
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 17:22
An: 'Steven Belfer'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

After each race is a good time

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Steven Belfer
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:24 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  2 21:21:08 2011
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 20:21:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: [ISOA] RTA
Message-ID: <1320290468.12800.YahooMailRC@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Friends - I will be moving my street TR4 to Rogersville in Northeastern
Tennessee as 

soon as the transport can be arranged.  Dick Burdette (ISOA)
and I are going to 
start the Rogersville Triumph Association.  This area has
some of the best 
driving roads for our cars - a perfect location for a long
vacation or a 
retirement.
If anyone has an empty trailer going that way in
the next six months please let 
me know.

Thanks
Dennis DeLap here in
Illinois


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Nov  2 23:15:56 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 23:15:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fw: [ISOA] RTA
In-Reply-To: <1320290468.12800.YahooMailRC@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1320290468.12800.YahooMailRC@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4EB2238C.2040009@bradakis.com>

RTA?  I would have called it

Rogersville
Association of
Triumphs


mjb.


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Nov  3 06:35:26 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 05:35:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013 (AP)
Message-ID: <1320323726.59420.YahooMailClassic@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Friends: Don't know if any of you had heard this. I just had a chance to read
the AP posting my son sent me. Knowing I come from that area he knew I would
be interested. The reporter that filed the article must not be from the area
or he would have known and mentioned the very rich racing past of neighboring
Paterson, N.J., home of Hincliffe Stadium. Patterson had it's own, now
historic Gasoline Alley which was home to many champ car drivers of the
'50's...Bill Shindler, Dutch Shaffer, Phil Walters (AKA Ted Tappet), and of
course, my dad.
Question this raises in my mind. If Austin has the 2012 race; and N.J. has the
race in 2013 or 2014 which will be called the America Grand Prix, what is
going to happen to the Austin race when the N.J. race starts?
All random morning thoughts.
-Ed-
 

--- On Mon, 10/24/11, Joshua <josh817 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Joshua <josh817 at gmail.com>
Subject: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013 (AP)
To: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
Date: Monday, October 24, 2011, 6:03 PM



http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/topstories/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/2
0111024/ap_on_sp_au_ra_ne/car_f1_formula_one_new_jersey


From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Nov  3 07:54:01 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 13:54:01 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013  (AP)
In-Reply-To: <1320323726.59420.YahooMailClassic@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1320323726.59420.YahooMailClassic@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W12C639764C6A4D8750CA1DFD50@phx.gbl>

It was addressed by Bernie and he says here will be TWO raaces in the USA.

Never be beaten by equipment
 > Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 05:35:26 -0700
> From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Fw: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013 (AP)
>
> Friends: Don't know if any of you had heard this. I just had a chance to
read
> the AP posting my son sent me. Knowing I come from that area he knew I
would
> be interested. The reporter that filed the article must not be from the
area
> or he would have known and mentioned the very rich racing past of
neighboring
> Paterson, N.J., home of Hincliffe Stadium. Patterson had it's own, now
> historic Gasoline Alley which was home to many champ car drivers of the
> '50's...Bill Shindler, Dutch Shaffer, Phil Walters (AKA Ted Tappet), and of
> course, my dad.
> Question this raises in my mind. If Austin has the 2012 race; and N.J. has
the
> race in 2013 or 2014 which will be called the America Grand Prix, what is
> going to happen to the Austin race when the N.J. race starts?
> All random morning thoughts.
> -Ed-
>
>
> --- On Mon, 10/24/11, Joshua <josh817 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Joshua <josh817 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013 (AP)
> To: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
> Date: Monday, October 24, 2011, 6:03 PM
>
>
>
>
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/topstories/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/2
> 0111024/ap_on_sp_au_ra_ne/car_f1_formula_one_new_jersey
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov  3 08:12:08 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 10:12:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <8CE6845D8365DBA-654-68BA1@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com><013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com><9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>
	<8CE67BBC7EB878E-FD0-145A5E@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com>
	<2ae8faca-232d-4890-b510-4ad40f846447@blur>
	<8CE684338A8E3D7-654-6868B@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CE6845D8365DBA-654-68BA1@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
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Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 8:25 am
Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES


 FROM TED SCHUMACHER:

Why dont you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?


Ted,

I discussed with highly regarded performance engine shop.
Whenever they encounter bronze guides they clearance them.
If it doesnt get done, there is a danger of seizing.....which can get very
hard on lifters and cams.

Some engineering folks tell me that cast iron guides provide superior
performance.
And say that bronze cause more heat/friction/wear......................

This and observing various failures over the years caused me change.
Certainly it is the right decision for me.

Others may have a different conclusion and I would invite them to discuss on
this list.

I have long suspected that there have been a lot of failures attributed to
'soft lifters', and faulty cams, when it may have been caused by seizing of
valves or severe drag in bronze guides.

Thanks for asking Ted.   It seems like it is an important subject for this
list.

Joe Alexander







-----Original Message-----
From: tedsimx <tedsimx at bright.net>
To: n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 8:54 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.


Why don't you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?  Ted


Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless


-----Original message-----

From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: lang at isis.mit.edu,  JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 21:16:11 GMT+00:00
Subject: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.


 Use of bronze guides is or can be an issue here.

ESPECIALLY those not properly clearanced.

It ALSO seems that cast iron guides are 'slippery' while bronze can create
added friction and wear.

We dont use bronze guides anymore.


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu Nov  3 08:57:24 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 07:57:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013  (AP)
References: <1320323726.59420.YahooMailClassic@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E6F4F7DA324246269F49B1C525E88522@Charly>

This should answer most of the questions.

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-formula-one-to-race-in-new-jersey-in-2013/
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-speed-qa-bob-varsha-discusses-new-jersey-gp/
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-sport-should-have-even-more-us-races-bernie-ecclestone/
http://my.speedtv.com/go/thread/view/55846/28602253/A_US_GP_in_Jersey


Charly Mitchel


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:35 AM
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013 (AP)


> Friends: Don't know if any of you had heard this. I just had a chance to 
> read
> the AP posting my son sent me. Knowing I come from that area he knew I 
> would
> be interested. The reporter that filed the article must not be from the 
> area
> or he would have known and mentioned the very rich racing past of 
> neighboring
> Paterson, N.J., home of Hincliffe Stadium. Patterson had it's own, now
> historic Gasoline Alley which was home to many champ car drivers of the
> '50's...Bill Shindler, Dutch Shaffer, Phil Walters (AKA Ted Tappet), and 
> of
> course, my dad.
> Question this raises in my mind. If Austin has the 2012 race; and N.J. has 
> the
> race in 2013 or 2014 which will be called the America Grand Prix, what is
> going to happen to the Austin race when the N.J. race starts?
> All random morning thoughts.
> -Ed-


From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Nov  3 10:06:58 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 09:06:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <8CE6849B52CA5F1-654-692AC@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com><013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com><9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu><Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu><8CE67BBC7EB878E-FD0-145A5E@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com><2ae8faca-232d-4890-b510-4ad40f846447@blur><8CE684338A8E3D7-654-6868B@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com><8CE6845D8365DBA-654-68BA1@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CE6849B52CA5F1-654-692AC@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <04a501cc9a42$9d8e00b0$0501a8c0@randall>

> I discussed with highly regarded performance engine shop.
> Whenever they encounter bronze guides they clearance them.
> If it doesnt get done, there is a danger of seizing...

I agree.

The problem is that the bronze has a higher rate of thermal expansion than
the cast iron head, plus is softer/weaker.  So as the guide & head heat up,
the bronze tries to expand faster than the cast iron hole in the head.
Since the hole is stronger, the bronze expands inward into the valve stem
bore and closes up the clearance.  The only solution is extra clearance
(which means they leak oil and don't guide the valve as well when cold).

And since the guide also carries heat away from the valve, the problem gets
worst at sustained full power.

I believe the bronze wears slower in service (if it gets adequate
lubrication), but since you have to ream them oversize, the advantage is
lost.  In effect, you have to install them pre-worn.

-- Randall  


From tlizzard at msn.com  Thu Nov  3 10:18:31 2011
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 12:18:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013   (AP)
In-Reply-To: <1320323726.59420.YahooMailClassic@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT120-W12C639764C6A4D8750CA1DFD50@phx.gbl>
References: <1320323726.59420.YahooMailClassic@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT120-W12C639764C6A4D8750CA1DFD50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY164-ds20B82A6DEB8766F05BEE65C3D50@phx.gbl>

No doubt in my mind that the United States should have two Grands Prix.  We
have the population and geographic separation to support it.

Now, we need someone to pony up the cash and form a proper US based Formula
One constructor.

We have the talent here.


Terry Stetler


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu Nov  3 11:39:28 2011
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 12:39:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <8CE6849B52CA5F1-654-692AC@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com><013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com><9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>
	<8CE67BBC7EB878E-FD0-145A5E@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com>
	<2ae8faca-232d-4890-b510-4ad40f846447@blur>
	<8CE684338A8E3D7-654-6868B@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CE6845D8365DBA-654-68BA1@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CE6849B52CA5F1-654-692AC@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EB2D1D0.9050200@bright.net>

Joe,the engine shop is correct. Bronze guides should always be 
clearanced.  But that is an indictment on whom ever did the head, not 
the guides themselves. For the past several years, lifter have been a 
serious issue. We  used to bring in Spit/TR6/etc lifters, #143552 by the 
hundered through theearly-mid'90's. Then they started to go down hill. 
We have Rockwell checked new  lifters that have gone all the way down to 
a 28. 39 - 41 is fairly common.Minimum hardness should be at least 55 or 
greater.  There have been several fixes tried including using different 
size lifters such as Ford.  Problem here is the lifter bore on a 
Spit/TR6engine is at a 4.5 degree slant so boring it out correctly is 
not easy(or inexpensive).  The most consistent lifter supply we have 
found is reconditioning used lifters. They Rockwell test each lifter and 
if it is a minimum of 55 and can be saved, it is reconditioned. We 
rebuild a lot of heads and engines and new engine start-up procedure is 
still the major factor in the equation.Ted




On 11/3/2011 9:12 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 8:25 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
>
>
>   FROM TED SCHUMACHER:
>
> Why dont you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?
>
>
> Ted,
>
> I discussed with highly regarded performance engine shop.
> Whenever they encounter bronze guides they clearance them.
> If it doesnt get done, there is a danger of seizing.....which can get very
> hard on lifters and cams.
>
> Some engineering folks tell me that cast iron guides provide superior
> performance.
> And say that bronze cause more heat/friction/wear......................
>
> This and observing various failures over the years caused me change.
> Certainly it is the right decision for me.
>
> Others may have a different conclusion and I would invite them to discuss on
> this list.
>
> I have long suspected that there have been a lot of failures attributed to
> 'soft lifters', and faulty cams, when it may have been caused by seizing of
> valves or severe drag in bronze guides.
>
> Thanks for asking Ted.   It seems like it is an important subject for this
> list.
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tedsimx<tedsimx at bright.net>
> To: n197tr4<n197tr4 at cs.com>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 8:54 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.
>
>
> Why don't you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?  Ted
>
>
> Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> To: lang at isis.mit.edu,  JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 21:16:11 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.
>
>
>   Use of bronze guides is or can be an issue here.
>
> ESPECIALLY those not properly clearanced.
>
> It ALSO seems that cast iron guides are 'slippery' while bronze can create
> added friction and wear.
>
> We dont use bronze guides anymore.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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-- 
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108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US&  Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov  3 12:01:38 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 14:01:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <4EB2D1D0.9050200@bright.net>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com><013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com><9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>
	<8CE67BBC7EB878E-FD0-145A5E@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com>
	<2ae8faca-232d-4890-b510-4ad40f846447@blur>
	<8CE684338A8E3D7-654-6868B@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CE6845D8365DBA-654-68BA1@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CE6849B52CA5F1-654-692AC@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<4EB2D1D0.9050200@bright.net>
Message-ID: <8CE6869C4023649-654-6D239@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>

 yes, i would prefer quality lifters.

and we recondition lifters for ourselves

but your question was on bronze guides.

not using bronze guides gives us one less thing to be concerned about.






-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Schumacher <tedtsimx at bright.net>
To: n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>; FOT <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 12:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES


Joe,the engine shop is correct. Bronze guides should always be
clearanced.  But that is an indictment on whom ever did the head, not
the guides themselves. For the past several years, lifter have been a
serious issue. We  used to bring in Spit/TR6/etc lifters, #143552 by the
hundered through theearly-mid'90's. Then they started to go down hill.
We have Rockwell checked new  lifters that have gone all the way down to
a 28. 39 - 41 is fairly common.Minimum hardness should be at least 55 or
greater.  There have been several fixes tried including using different
size lifters such as Ford.  Problem here is the lifter bore on a
Spit/TR6engine is at a 4.5 degree slant so boring it out correctly is
not easy(or inexpensive).  The most consistent lifter supply we have
found is reconditioning used lifters. They Rockwell test each lifter and
if it is a minimum of 55 and can be saved, it is reconditioned. We
rebuild a lot of heads and engines and new engine start-up procedure is
still the major factor in the equation.Ted




On 11/3/2011 9:12 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 8:25 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
>
>
>   FROM TED SCHUMACHER:
>
> Why dont you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?
>
>
> Ted,
>
> I discussed with highly regarded performance engine shop.
> Whenever they encounter bronze guides they clearance them.
> If it doesnt get done, there is a danger of seizing.....which can get very
> hard on lifters and cams.
>
> Some engineering folks tell me that cast iron guides provide superior
> performance.
> And say that bronze cause more heat/friction/wear......................
>
> This and observing various failures over the years caused me change.
> Certainly it is the right decision for me.
>
> Others may have a different conclusion and I would invite them to discuss
on
> this list.
>
> I have long suspected that there have been a lot of failures attributed to
> 'soft lifters', and faulty cams, when it may have been caused by seizing of
> valves or severe drag in bronze guides.
>
> Thanks for asking Ted.   It seems like it is an important subject for this
> list.
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tedsimx<tedsimx at bright.net>
> To: n197tr4<n197tr4 at cs.com>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 8:54 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.
>
>
> Why don't you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?  Ted
>
>
> Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> To: lang at isis.mit.edu,  JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 21:16:11 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.
>
>
>   Use of bronze guides is or can be an issue here.
>
> ESPECIALLY those not properly clearanced.
>
> It ALSO seems that cast iron guides are 'slippery' while bronze can create
> added friction and wear.
>
> We dont use bronze guides anymore.
> _______________________________________________
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From cofrog at q.com  Thu Nov  3 14:06:13 2011
From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 16:06:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Valve Guides
In-Reply-To: <225817023.452311.1320350654737.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <70034964.452425.1320350773748.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com>

I see no advantage is using the bronze valve guides, especially considering the obvious down sides per Randall and Joe's input. Clearancing the bronze guides may be "common knowledge" to those having some experience with our motors but what of folks that have none? Even if a machine shop recognizes that bronze guides need clearancing would they assume the parts supplier were providing proper clearanced ones? I can see folks seeing the bronze units are more expensive and. they assume them to be superior to the iron ones. I've never seen any documentation from the suppliers of the bronze guides warning the buyer to modify their brand new parts before using them. 

I've run iron guides in the TR4 street car for years upon years w/o having to replace them and also run them in the TR4 race car which never has the mileage to wear them out anyway Too many pitfalls for no real gain over the stock ones. 

Dan Forgey 


From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Thu Nov  3 15:35:33 2011
From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 14:35:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com><013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com><9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.h
	scs.virginia.edu><Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu><8CE67BBC7EB878E-FD0-145A5E@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com><2ae8f
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We have found that Manganese-Bronze guides have greater "lubricity"  (are 
more slippery) and last longer while causing less wear of the valve stem 
than cast or "chilled" iron guides. The issue is clearance between the valve 
guide and the stem. The bronze guide material has a much greater coefficient 
of expansion than does iron. When an bronze guide is used in an iron head, 
as the head gets hot, the material of the guide wants to expand. It cannot 
expand outward because it is "captured" by the iron head all around it. 
Consequently it grows inward, reducing the clearance between the id. of the 
guide and the valve stem. We have had valves get stuck in bronze guides in 
iron TR head and others as well. The fix is the correct amount of clearance. 
In a TR-4 iron head, in a racing application, ie hard use, high 
temperatures, 5/16" stem inlet valves need .0015" to .002" stem to guide 
clearance, exhaust valves with 5/16" diameter stems need .002" to .0025" 
clearance. We DO NOT USE VALVE STEM SEALS. It is not necessary with even 
increased oil delivery to the valve gear.  We get much longer life out of 
the Manganese-Bronze guides than with any iron guides we have used and with 
these clearances you will not have any seizure problems.
                                                                             
                                    Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 7:12 AM
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive. now use of BRONZE GUIDES


> Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 8:25 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
>
>
> FROM TED SCHUMACHER:
>
> Why dont you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?
>
>
> Ted,
>
> I discussed with highly regarded performance engine shop.
> Whenever they encounter bronze guides they clearance them.
> If it doesnt get done, there is a danger of seizing.....which can get very
> hard on lifters and cams.
>
> Some engineering folks tell me that cast iron guides provide superior
> performance.
> And say that bronze cause more heat/friction/wear......................
>
> This and observing various failures over the years caused me change.
> Certainly it is the right decision for me.
>
> Others may have a different conclusion and I would invite them to discuss 
> on
> this list.
>
> I have long suspected that there have been a lot of failures attributed to
> 'soft lifters', and faulty cams, when it may have been caused by seizing 
> of
> valves or severe drag in bronze guides.
>
> Thanks for asking Ted.   It seems like it is an important subject for this
> list.
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tedsimx <tedsimx at bright.net>
> To: n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 8:54 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.
>
>
> Why don't you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?  Ted
>
>
> Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> To: lang at isis.mit.edu,  JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 21:16:11 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.
>
>
> Use of bronze guides is or can be an issue here.
>
> ESPECIALLY those not properly clearanced.
>
> It ALSO seems that cast iron guides are 'slippery' while bronze can create
> added friction and wear.
>
> We dont use bronze guides anymore.
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From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Thu Nov  3 17:41:40 2011
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 16:41:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
In-Reply-To: <70034964.452425.1320350773748.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com>
References: <70034964.452425.1320350773748.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <1320363700.93920.YahooMailRC@web180602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for autocross, etc.  I would like to rip out
all 
of the stock wiring and install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
only need 
to service the following:

ignition switch
starter motor
electronic
ignition
altenator 
two radiator fans
three gauges
  temp
  volts
  oil
(manual)
kill switch

Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.

Thanks,
Jim


From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Nov  3 18:44:16 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 17:44:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
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	<1320363700.93920.YahooMailRC@web180602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FD701BF9C9D34B7B9608492A6CA85F84@Vista>

Make it up yourself.  Couldn't be all that hard!

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of sherry robyn
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:42 PM
To: triumph fot
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness

I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for autocross, etc.  I would like to rip out
all 
of the stock wiring and install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
only need 
to service the following:

ignition switch
starter motor
electronic
ignition
altenator 
two radiator fans
three gauges
  temp
  volts
  oil
(manual)
kill switch

Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.

Thanks,
Jim
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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Nov  3 19:48:57 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 18:48:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
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Message-ID: <3035099FCA8746BFB2B82AA6E7AD6A3C@Bud>

Jim...I say leave the harness in....unless you're going to make it road 
racer..The reason is: when the time comes to sell the car, it will have all 
of the necessary wiring for the street.
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: "'sherry robyn'" <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; "'triumph fot'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness


> Make it up yourself.  Couldn't be all that hard!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of sherry robyn
> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:42 PM
> To: triumph fot
> Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
>
> I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for autocross, etc.  I would like to rip 
> out
> all
> of the stock wiring and install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
> only need
> to service the following:
>
> ignition switch
> starter motor
> electronic
> ignition
> altenator
> two radiator fans
> three gauges
>  temp
>  volts
>  oil
> (manual)
> kill switch
>
> Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Nov  3 19:58:51 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 18:58:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <8CE6849B52CA5F1-654-692AC@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1320371931.23478.YahooMailClassic@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I agree with Greg's and Joe's findings 100%. We found that we had to clearence
them an extra .001 - .002". If not, the valves could stick. The problem seemed
to occur on fresh customer motors which only had a short break-in. One "6"
customer, after being told how to drive while putting the intial miles on the
engine, proceeded to blast out of the shop and could be heard going up the
highway ramp redlining through the gears. Within ten minutes he was back with
the engine having a terrible miss which turned out to be a bent pushrod. After
replacing the "faulty" part and readjusting the valves, he left, and could be
heard really breaking in his motor. Ten minutes later... another bent rod.
His was not the only engine to suffer our ignorance when we first started
using the bronze guides. It was always on fresh head jobs, and always as the
engine was going through warming up. I feel once the engine has reached temp
and everything has equalized the parts "get friendly" as they use to say.
JMTC
-Ed-  

--- On Thu, 11/3/11, n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:


From: n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive. now use of BRONZE GUIDES
To: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 9:12 AM


Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 8:25 am
Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES


FROM TED SCHUMACHER:

Why dont you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?


Ted,

I discussed with highly regarded performance engine shop.
Whenever they encounter bronze guides they clearance them.
If it doesnt get done, there is a danger of seizing.....which can get very
hard on lifters and cams.

Some engineering folks tell me that cast iron guides provide superior
performance.
And say that bronze cause more heat/friction/wear......................

This and observing various failures over the years caused me change.
Certainly it is the right decision for me.

Others may have a different conclusion and I would invite them to discuss on
this list.

I have long suspected that there have been a lot of failures attributed to
'soft lifters', and faulty cams, when it may have been caused by seizing of
valves or severe drag in bronze guides.

Thanks for asking Ted.   It seems like it is an important subject for this
list.

Joe Alexander







-----Original Message-----
From: tedsimx <tedsimx at bright.net>
To: n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 8:54 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.


Why don't you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?  Ted


Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless


-----Original message-----

From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: lang at isis.mit.edu,  JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 21:16:11 GMT+00:00
Subject: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.


Use of bronze guides is or can be an issue here.

ESPECIALLY those not properly clearanced.

It ALSO seems that cast iron guides are 'slippery' while bronze can create
added friction and wear.

We dont use bronze guides anymore.
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From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Thu Nov  3 20:21:24 2011
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 19:21:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
In-Reply-To: <3035099FCA8746BFB2B82AA6E7AD6A3C@Bud>
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	<3035099FCA8746BFB2B82AA6E7AD6A3C@Bud>
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Thanks for the responses.

This car is an exSCCA racer from the ninties (in
Hawaii no less so it has its 
share of Bondo).  Also, what they didn't take
off I did.  It is highly unlikely 
that it will ever see the street again.

As
to me making the harness, I have definitely thought of that but my auto
electrics are OK but not wonderful.  Most elements I understand with no
problem 
but many times I am hazy on some of the details.  If I had a
schematic, I would 
have no problem.

Jim
To: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>;
sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; 
triumph fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, November 3, 2011 6:48:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated
electrical harness

Jim...I say leave the harness in....unless you're going to
make it road 
racer..The reason is: when the time comes to sell the car, it
will have all 
of the necessary wiring for the street.
RB
----- Original
Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: "'sherry robyn'"
<sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; "'triumph fot'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical
harness


> Make it up yourself.  Couldn't be all that hard!
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of sherry robyn
> Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:42 PM
> To: triumph fot
> Subject: [Fot]
Abbreviated electrical harness
>
> I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for
autocross, etc.  I would like to rip 
> out
> all
> of the stock wiring and
install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
> only need
> to service the
following:
>
> ignition switch
> starter motor
> electronic
> ignition
>
altenator
> two radiator fans
> three gauges
>  temp
>  volts
>  oil
>
(manual)
> kill switch
>
> Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.
>
>
Thanks,
> Jim
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>
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Thu Nov  3 23:14:45 2011
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 00:14:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Brake Caliper Clearance
Message-ID: <2BBD413D-F9B1-4BF1-A58B-94BF9F7DE822@aol.com>

Tonight I was replacing my front brake pads to a higher performance version in
preparation for a track day and encountered problems with  the RH side.  I
attempted to do this in situ.  LH side went well with the shims and pads going
in ok.  LH side has been problematic.  The outer pad falls in but the inner
one won't go in.  Took the caliper off and manually pushed the pistons in.
That didn't help.  Upon closer inspection, the caliper is not centered with
the rotor.  Has anyone else had this problem?  Should I shim the caliper to
gain clearance?  It needs to be moved to the center of the car.  This is on a
'72 TR6.  Should I just have a brake shop take off .010 of the pad and be done
with it?

TIA
Sam Clark


From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Fri Nov  4 00:42:21 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:42:21 +1000
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b2Uc25OBFfHeUFQL0K0X+GfWGm7uB+6E7hw--8MM_kVtw@mail.gmail.com>

in our engine shop, we avoid bronze guides unless we really have to use
them such as with some specially coated titanium valves

cast iron guides last for a very long time under very arduous conditions

about the only OE manufacturer that I've seen that routinely uses a bronze
guide is M Benz, and they are a very special product and only used in some
of their engines

not all bronze guides are equal. we have encountered numerous grades. all
of them are notoriously difficult to size. we have special tooling to deal
with them.

there is an argument that some types of bronze guides can run lower
clearances and therfore improve heat transfer from valve stem to guide. i
have never seen any documented or visual proof of this .

IMHO, especially with older cars like TR's, they are mostly a marketing
fad, with unscrupulous vendors appealing to the 'go faster" set

Terry


From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net  Fri Nov  4 07:47:12 2011
From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 06:47:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
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----- Original Message ----
From: sherry
robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
To: RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>; Joe
Curry <spitlist at cox.net>; triumph fot 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu,
November 3, 2011 7:21:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
Thanks for the responses.

This car is an exSCCA racer from the ninties (in
Hawaii no less so it has its 
share of Bondo).  Also, what they didn't take
off I did.  It is highly unlikely 
that it will ever see the street again.

As
to me making the harness, I have definitely thought of that but my auto
electrics are OK but not wonderful.  Most elements I understand with no
problem 
but many times I am hazy on some of the details.  If I had a
schematic, I would 
have no problem.

Jim
To: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>;
sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; 
triumph fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, November 3, 2011 6:48:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated
electrical harness

Jim...I say leave the harness in....unless you're going to
make it road 
racer..The reason is: when the time comes to sell the car, it
will have all 
of the necessary wiring for the street.
RB
----- Original
Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: "'sherry robyn'"
<sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; "'triumph fot'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical
harness


> Make it up yourself.  Couldn't be all that hard!
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of sherry robyn
> Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:42 PM
> To: triumph fot
> Subject: [Fot]
Abbreviated electrical harness
>
> I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for
autocross, etc.  I would like to rip 
> out
> all
> of the stock wiring and
install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
> only need
> to service the
following:
>
> ignition switch
> starter motor
> electronic
> ignition
>
altenator
> two radiator fans
> three gauges
>  temp
>  volts
>  oil
>
(manual)
> kill switch
>
> Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.
>
>
Thanks,
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
>
fot at autox.team.net
>
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>
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Fri Nov  4 09:00:30 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:00:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
References: <70034964.452425.1320350773748.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com>
	<1320363700.93920.YahooMailRC@web180602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6F0B2E689D5943DBB5B770CF4E22D745@Charly>

I don't know if this would work for you, but what I did on my TR6 racecar
was take a decent harness and laid it on a bench and removed the wrapping.
I then proceeded to remove the unwanted wires and reuse wires for the
different functions such as fuel pump and ignition shutoff, electric fan
etc.
I then re-taped it and all the wires were the proper length and in the
proper places.  This was very easy and didn't take very long at all, and
since I was using the stock gauges, made it very easy.
Good luck,
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "sherry robyn" <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
To: "triumph fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:41 PM
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness


>I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for autocross, etc.  I would like to rip 
>out
> all
> of the stock wiring and install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
> only need
> to service the following:
>
> ignition switch
> starter motor
> electronic
> ignition
> altenator
> two radiator fans
> three gauges
>  temp
>  volts
>  oil
> (manual)
> kill switch
>
> Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Nov  4 09:04:50 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:04:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <2a680.60feec39.3be54f6d@aol.com>
References: <2a680.60feec39.3be54f6d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CE691A3BC0C3F8-2570-178BD2@webmail-d145.sysops.aol.com>

 Outstanding posts on this subject.

Thank you everyone.

RISK MANAGEMENT.....with the information made available, so far,  folks can
make a more intelligent decision about who they have do their heads and be
able to ask better questions.

Thanks again....keep the comments coming.   It's good to see the FOT LIST
alive and well.

It might be good to know the trusted source of the best bronze guides.

Joe A



-----Original Message-----
From: Gt6steve <Gt6steve at aol.com>
To: Gregmogdoc <Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>; n197tr4
<n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 9:23 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES



I was about to make a post very similar to Greg's posting.  I explored this
with my trusted machinist after watching several instances of stuck valves in
TR4 heads.  He explained that it was the silicon-bronze guides that were
causing all the trouble and recommended going to the manganese-bronze as Greg
has stated.  I've had no issues with that advice.  Knock on Wood ;-))
Steve



In a message dated 11/3/2011 3:37:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com writes:
We have   found that Manganese-Bronze guides have greater "lubricity"


From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Nov  4 09:39:30 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 10:39:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Brake Caliper Clearance
In-Reply-To: <2BBD413D-F9B1-4BF1-A58B-94BF9F7DE822@aol.com>
References: <2BBD413D-F9B1-4BF1-A58B-94BF9F7DE822@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111104153942.AAD9A187949@autox.team.net>

Sam, either solution will work - shim the caliper so that it's more 
centered or just have the pad shaved a little so it will go in.

Tony Drews

At 12:14 AM 11/4/2011, Sam Clark wrote:
>Tonight I was replacing my front brake pads to a higher performance version in
>preparation for a track day and encountered problems with  the RH side.  I
>attempted to do this in situ.  LH side went well with the shims and pads going
>in ok.  LH side has been problematic.  The outer pad falls in but the inner
>one won't go in.  Took the caliper off and manually pushed the pistons in.
>That didn't help.  Upon closer inspection, the caliper is not centered with
>the rotor.  Has anyone else had this problem?  Should I shim the caliper to
>gain clearance?  It needs to be moved to the center of the car.  This is on a
>'72 TR6.  Should I just have a brake shop take off .010 of the pad and be done
>with it?
>
>TIA
>Sam Clark


From ac at camoletti.ch  Fri Nov  4 10:47:43 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:47:43 +0100
Subject: [Fot] ZDDP
Message-ID: <002501cc9b11$797e6e60$6c7b4b20$@camoletti.ch>

In Europe there is as little, or even less ZDDP than in US. Oils sold in the
US are not sold in Europe and vice versa (example: Shell Rotella range is
very different)
Modern engines are designed to live without ZDDP, which is simply a very
high pressure additive, and our flat tappets engines were designed with and
for these oils with high ZDDP content.
I researched a lot last year and only a few brands explain the point. There
is MILLERS OIL in the UK, as one member pointed out. Then depending what
cam, tappets, spring pressures and set up you have, your engine can -more or
less- live without ZDDP.
I do not take a chance, I ordered Brad Penn from the US, and also Crane
break in additive to supplement European market oils!
Cheers!
Alex Camoletti


From ac at camoletti.ch  Fri Nov  4 10:47:43 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:47:43 +0100
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <8CE691A3BC0C3F8-2570-178BD2@webmail-d145.sysops.aol.com>
References: <2a680.60feec39.3be54f6d@aol.com>
	<8CE691A3BC0C3F8-2570-178BD2@webmail-d145.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <002601cc9b11$79c366a0$6d4a33e0$@camoletti.ch>

Moss sells in Europe aluminium-bronze guides in their TT range.
Clearance is 0.0035'' according to TR Enterprises in the UK, they use these.
Fitted in my (Tr3) head and reamed to 0.0033'', engine still on the bench so
no ROE (return of experience).
Any thoughts/comments?
Thank you and cheers!
Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de n197tr4 at cs.com
Envoyi : vendredi 4 novembre 2011 16:05
@ : Gt6steve at aol.com; Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com; fot at autox.team.net
Objet : [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES

 Outstanding posts on this subject.

Thank you everyone.

RISK MANAGEMENT.....with the information made available, so far,  folks can
make a more intelligent decision about who they have do their heads and be
able to ask better questions.

Thanks again....keep the comments coming.   It's good to see the FOT LIST
alive and well.

It might be good to know the trusted source of the best bronze guides.

Joe A



-----Original Message-----
From: Gt6steve <Gt6steve at aol.com>
To: Gregmogdoc <Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>;
n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 9:23 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES



I was about to make a post very similar to Greg's posting.  I explored this
with my trusted machinist after watching several instances of stuck valves
in
TR4 heads.  He explained that it was the silicon-bronze guides that were
causing all the trouble and recommended going to the manganese-bronze as
Greg has stated.  I've had no issues with that advice.  Knock on Wood ;-))
Steve



In a message dated 11/3/2011 3:37:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com writes:
We have   found that Manganese-Bronze guides have greater "lubricity"
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From jfrymark at aol.com  Fri Nov  4 11:19:04 2011
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 10:19:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wiring Harness
Message-ID: <A41C1795-86FA-4C59-BAAD-7FEE270A8952@aol.com>

If you don't want to make it yourself, check into Painless Performance  
harnesses at Summit Racing:

http://www.summitracing.com/search/Department/Ignitions-Electrical/Section/Electrical-Wiring/?Ns=Rank%7cAsc

Lots of options.

John Frymark


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri Nov  4 12:04:49 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 12:04:49 -0600
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <002601cc9b11$79c366a0$6d4a33e0$@camoletti.ch>
Message-ID: <20111104180943.A175F187646@autox.team.net>

I use bronze guides from BFE and clearance them to .003 - .004 with no
issues. The ones from British Frame & E are rounded on one end to help 
fuel/air & exhaust flow. I don't have problems with bronze guides
with the proper clearance. 
So, with iron guides can/should we run tighter clearances?

Jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Alexandre Camoletti
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 10:48 AM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; Gt6steve at aol.com; Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com;
fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES

Moss sells in Europe aluminium-bronze guides in their TT range.
Clearance is 0.0035'' according to TR Enterprises in the UK, they use these.
Fitted in my (Tr3) head and reamed to 0.0033'', engine still on the bench so
no ROE (return of experience).
Any thoughts/comments?
Thank you and cheers!
Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de n197tr4 at cs.com
Envoyi : vendredi 4 novembre 2011 16:05
@ : Gt6steve at aol.com; Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com; fot at autox.team.net
Objet : [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES

 Outstanding posts on this subject.

Thank you everyone.

RISK MANAGEMENT.....with the information made available, so far,  folks can
make a more intelligent decision about who they have do their heads and be
able to ask better questions.

Thanks again....keep the comments coming.   It's good to see the FOT LIST
alive and well.

It might be good to know the trusted source of the best bronze guides.

Joe A



-----Original Message-----
From: Gt6steve <Gt6steve at aol.com>
To: Gregmogdoc <Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>;
n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 9:23 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES



I was about to make a post very similar to Greg's posting.  I explored this
with my trusted machinist after watching several instances of stuck valves
in
TR4 heads.  He explained that it was the silicon-bronze guides that were
causing all the trouble and recommended going to the manganese-bronze as
Greg has stated.  I've had no issues with that advice.  Knock on Wood ;-))
Steve



In a message dated 11/3/2011 3:37:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com writes:
We have   found that Manganese-Bronze guides have greater "lubricity"
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From John.Reed at wilson.com  Fri Nov  4 13:39:07 2011
From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:39:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <8CE691A3BC0C3F8-2570-178BD2@webmail-d145.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAD9A98B.8C14%John.Reed@wilson.com>

I've used bronze guides for many years, never a problem. Key is a trusted
machinist as Steve states. Mine has been building British race engines for
more than thirty years. He even tapered the guides for flow without even being
asked.
Now he is swamped prepping heads for Japanese cars.

John


On 11/4/11 10:04 AM, "Joe N197TR4" <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:

Outstanding posts on this subject.

Thank you everyone.

RISK MANAGEMENT.....with the information made available, so far,  folks can
make a more intelligent decision about who they have do their heads and be
able to ask better questions.

Thanks again....keep the comments coming.   It's good to see the FOT LIST
alive and well.

It might be good to know the trusted source of the best bronze guides.

Joe A



-----Original Message-----
From: Gt6steve <Gt6steve at aol.com>
To: Gregmogdoc <Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>; n197tr4
<n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 9:23 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES



I was about to make a post very similar to Greg's posting.  I explored this
with my trusted machinist after watching several instances of stuck valves in
TR4 heads.  He explained that it was the silicon-bronze guides that were
causing all the trouble and recommended going to the manganese-bronze as Greg
has stated.  I've had no issues with that advice.  Knock on Wood ;-))
Steve



In a message dated 11/3/2011 3:37:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
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We have   found that Manganese-Bronze guides have greater "lubricity"
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Nov  4 14:21:25 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 20:21:25 +0000
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
Message-ID: <mailman.51.1638251573.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

For my part I put the main interest on reliability.

Even if the guids are proper made, if things going wrong bronze guids can make it worse.

Imagine that the engine loses coolant, the head heats up.
With a cast iron guide you drive until the water temp gauge is telling you.

Bronze guids might stuck the valves, bend pushrods and all the other bad stuff.

So I never had the feel doing any good to the engine with bronze guids.

Cheers
Chris

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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Fri Nov  4 14:56:00 2011
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 13:56:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Brake Caliper Clearance
In-Reply-To: <2BBD413D-F9B1-4BF1-A58B-94BF9F7DE822@aol.com>
References: <2BBD413D-F9B1-4BF1-A58B-94BF9F7DE822@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EB45160.3010204@comcast.net>

I've always run shims to center the caliper.  I've found that flat AN 
washers are perfect.

Jim Norl

On 11/3/2011 10:14 PM, Sam Clark wrote:
> Tonight I was replacing my front brake pads to a higher performance version in
> preparation for a track day and encountered problems with  the RH side.  I
> attempted to do this in situ.  LH side went well with the shims and pads going
> in ok.  LH side has been problematic.  The outer pad falls in but the inner
> one won't go in.  Took the caliper off and manually pushed the pistons in.
> That didn't help.  Upon closer inspection, the caliper is not centered with
> the rotor.  Has anyone else had this problem?  Should I shim the caliper to
> gain clearance?  It needs to be moved to the center of the car.  This is on a
> '72 TR6.  Should I just have a brake shop take off .010 of the pad and be done
> with it?
>
> TIA
> Sam Clark
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From pcdelux at verizon.net  Fri Nov  4 15:38:29 2011
From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 16:38:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Brake Caliper Clearance
References: <2BBD413D-F9B1-4BF1-A58B-94BF9F7DE822@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00db01cc9b3a$18470de0$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0>

Hello Sam,   It was definitely not unusual to find washers shimming the
caliper mounts from the factory. Yours probably got lost along the way.
Probably better than
pre-wearing each new set of pads.

Bill DeWar
NJTA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Clark" <trdoctor at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>; <triumphs at autox.team.net>; <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Brake Caliper Clearance


> Tonight I was replacing my front brake pads to a higher performance
version in
> preparation for a track day and encountered problems with  the RH side.  I
> attempted to do this in situ.  LH side went well with the shims and pads
going
> in ok.  LH side has been problematic.  The outer pad falls in but the
inner
> one won't go in.  Took the caliper off and manually pushed the pistons in.
> That didn't help.  Upon closer inspection, the caliper is not centered
with
> the rotor.  Has anyone else had this problem?  Should I shim the caliper
to
> gain clearance?  It needs to be moved to the center of the car.  This is
on a
> '72 TR6.  Should I just have a brake shop take off .010 of the pad and be
done
> with it?
>
> TIA
> Sam Clark
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From jibjib at att.net  Fri Nov  4 18:34:22 2011
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:34:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
In-Reply-To: <1320373284.83505.YahooMailRC@web180616.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <70034964.452425.1320350773748.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com><1320363700.93920.YahooMailRC@web180602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><FD701BF9C9D34B7B9608492A6CA85F84@Vista><3035099FCA8746BFB2B82AA6E7AD6A3C@Bud>
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Message-ID: <3971A04EE5EB47FEAA17D99A0B55E338@EntCentPC>

Harness schematics

http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr24a.pdf
http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr24a.pdf

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of sherry robyn
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 7:21 PM
To: RACER BUD; Joe Curry; triumph fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness

Thanks for the responses.

This car is an exSCCA racer from the ninties (in
Hawaii no less so it has its 
share of Bondo).  Also, what they didn't take
off I did.  It is highly unlikely 
that it will ever see the street again.

As
to me making the harness, I have definitely thought of that but my auto
electrics are OK but not wonderful.  Most elements I understand with no
problem 
but many times I am hazy on some of the details.  If I had a
schematic, I would 
have no problem.

Jim
To: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>;
sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; 
triumph fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, November 3, 2011 6:48:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated
electrical harness

Jim...I say leave the harness in....unless you're going to
make it road 
racer..The reason is: when the time comes to sell the car, it
will have all 
of the necessary wiring for the street.
RB
----- Original
Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: "'sherry robyn'"
<sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; "'triumph fot'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical
harness


> Make it up yourself.  Couldn't be all that hard!
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of sherry robyn
> Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:42 PM
> To: triumph fot
> Subject: [Fot]
Abbreviated electrical harness
>
> I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for
autocross, etc.  I would like to rip 
> out
> all
> of the stock wiring and
install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
> only need
> to service the
following:
>
> ignition switch
> starter motor
> electronic
> ignition
>
altenator
> two radiator fans
> three gauges
>  temp
>  volts
>  oil
>
(manual)
> kill switch
>
> Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.
>
>
Thanks,
> Jim
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From jibjib at att.net  Fri Nov  4 19:51:18 2011
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:51:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
In-Reply-To: <3971A04EE5EB47FEAA17D99A0B55E338@EntCentPC>
References: <70034964.452425.1320350773748.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com><1320363700.93920.YahooMailRC@web180602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><FD701BF9C9D34B7B9608492A6CA85F84@Vista><3035099FCA8746BFB2B82AA6E7AD6A3C@Bud><1320373284.83505.YahooMailRC@web180616.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<3971A04EE5EB47FEAA17D99A0B55E338@EntCentPC>
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Oops!
http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jack Brooks
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 5:34 PM
To: 'triumph fot'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness

Harness schematics

http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr24a.pdf
http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr24a.pdf

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of sherry robyn
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 7:21 PM
To: RACER BUD; Joe Curry; triumph fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness

Thanks for the responses.

This car is an exSCCA racer from the ninties (in
Hawaii no less so it has its 
share of Bondo).  Also, what they didn't take
off I did.  It is highly unlikely 
that it will ever see the street again.

As
to me making the harness, I have definitely thought of that but my auto
electrics are OK but not wonderful.  Most elements I understand with no
problem 
but many times I am hazy on some of the details.  If I had a
schematic, I would 
have no problem.

Jim
To: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>;
sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; 
triumph fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, November 3, 2011 6:48:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated
electrical harness

Jim...I say leave the harness in....unless you're going to
make it road 
racer..The reason is: when the time comes to sell the car, it
will have all 
of the necessary wiring for the street.
RB
----- Original
Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: "'sherry robyn'"
<sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; "'triumph fot'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical
harness


> Make it up yourself.  Couldn't be all that hard!
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of sherry robyn
> Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:42 PM
> To: triumph fot
> Subject: [Fot]
Abbreviated electrical harness
>
> I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for
autocross, etc.  I would like to rip 
> out
> all
> of the stock wiring and
install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
> only need
> to service the
following:
>
> ignition switch
> starter motor
> electronic
> ignition
>
altenator
> two radiator fans
> three gauges
>  temp
>  volts
>  oil
>
(manual)
> kill switch
>
> Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.
>
>
Thanks,
> Jim
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From kaskas at cox.net  Sat Nov  5 19:50:59 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 01:50:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <20111104211013.1E55D18798E@autox.team.net>
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I would like to hear and understand a good reason to use a guide that already
has shown probelms if not properly installed, what ever that is. WHY court
trouble?  The stock iron guides are cheap, work every time and are cheap with
no bad history.. (well, they used to be cheap.) Sorry bronze guide sellers,
but that is how it is.

Never be beaten by equipment
 > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; ac at camoletti.ch
> From: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 20:21:25 +0000
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
>
> For my part I put the main interest on reliability.
>
> Even if the guids are proper made, if things going wrong bronze guids can
make it worse.
>
> Imagine that the engine loses coolant, the head heats up.
> With a cast iron guide you drive until the water temp gauge is telling you.
>
> Bronze guids might stuck the valves, bend pushrods and all the other bad
stuff.
>
> So I never had the feel doing any good to the engine with bronze guids.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  6 06:12:32 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:12:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Message-ID: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great and
you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing to
me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a while?
Marty


From igofaster at att.net  Sun Nov  6 09:31:48 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:31:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
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References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
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to me.. the closed trailer is secure with all my stuff inside, plus I like to 
'camp out' when I go racing so my trailer converts to a small room. I carry a 
twin size mattress overhead in a rack I made similar to the same one I made to 
store my spare tires and wheels overhead. Plus I have a small fridge, a flat 
screen TV and all my camping and cooking accessories on some shelves I built. 
There's a roof top air conditioner, plus I have a nice roll around butane 
heater. Don't forget a smoke detector (carbon monoxide too, don't want to wake 
up dead). It makes it all self contained. I use the trailer for even storing and 
securing my track side roll around tool chest.

Personally, I like the camping out versus staying at the hotel, although it's 
not a $$$ issue... it's fun to see who's hanging around and the shenanigans in 
the track area after the gates close... yes, I even break out the acoustic 
guitar, pop a cap, and have been heard around the trailer singing and strumming 
at the moon... some say, it sounds like a cat getting nailed to the wall....   
sweeet...

call me, camped out at the track...

Bobby Whitehead   




________________________________
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, November 6, 2011 7:12:32 AM
Subject: [Fot] Trailers

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great and
you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing to
me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a while?
Marty
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Nov  6 10:10:46 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:10:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] MADMARX SEAL KITS-NORTH AMERICA
Message-ID: <8CE6ABE28868DCE-B40-1103A4@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>

I shipped out all outstanding orders and have now put together another five
kits.

This is the VITON SEAL KIT of the Christian Marx design.

The bottleneck is the scroll cores at the moment, so......

If you think you are going to need one, this would a good time to order.

VITON SEAL
MODIFIED SCROLL
CENTERING TOOL  if needed.
INSTALLATION GUIDE.

Regards,

Joe


From bownes at seiri.com  Sun Nov  6 10:30:26 2011
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:30:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
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References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
	<1320597108.13284.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ1+nOSjA3C7h7fmDStPAnHhESen+bC=N-R4XMJ54-Cs74FUyQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm with Bobby on this one. Once I went to an enclosed trailer, I decided I
was never going back.

The ability to leave everything that normally only goes to the track in the
trailer when at home is a great advantage as well. Tires, quick jack,
radios, supplies, shoes, parts bins, generator, canopy, etc, etc, etc is
invaluable. When it is time to go to the track, I roll the car, tool boxes,
and a few other things into the trailer and leave. Many many hours of
packing saved.

Not to mention it makes a great extra 'garage space' to keep a car out of
sight ;)


On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net> wrote:

> to me.. the closed trailer is secure with all my stuff inside, plus I like
> to
> 'camp out' when I go racing so my trailer converts to a small room. I
> carry a
> twin size mattress overhead in a rack I made similar to the same one I
> made to
> store my spare tires and wheels overhead. Plus I have a small fridge, a
> flat
> screen TV and all my camping and cooking accessories on some shelves I
> built.
> There's a roof top air conditioner, plus I have a nice roll around butane
> heater. Don't forget a smoke detector (carbon monoxide too, don't want to
> wake
> up dead). It makes it all self contained. I use the trailer for even
> storing and
> securing my track side roll around tool chest.
>
> Personally, I like the camping out versus staying at the hotel, although
> it's
> not a $$$ issue... it's fun to see who's hanging around and the
> shenanigans in
> the track area after the gates close... yes, I even break out the acoustic
> guitar, pop a cap, and have been heard around the trailer singing and
> strumming
> at the moon... some say, it sounds like a cat getting nailed to the
> wall....
> sweeet...
>
> call me, camped out at the track...
>
> Bobby Whitehead
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, November 6, 2011 7:12:32 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Trailers
>
> I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum
> trailer
> with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great
> and
> you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
> securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty
> appealing to
> me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
> going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
> trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a
> while?
> Marty
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 10:30:18 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:30:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
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My friends have an enclosed trailer set up with bunks. It is like a little
home. Electric, paint, Insulated, cabinets, microwave, coffee pot, and sheets!
I believe it is a 22 foot, with a v- nose.  Tows nice and is a real pleasure
at the track. On the off season it is a good place to store the racer.

Just my opinion
Chris

On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:12 AM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum
trailer
> with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great
and
> you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
> securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing
to
> me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
> going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
> trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a
while?
> Marty
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From jaboruch at netzero.com  Sun Nov  6 10:51:22 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:51:22 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Message-ID: <20111106.125122.16781.1@webmail52.dca.untd.com>

Having started out with an open trailer and then moving up to a closed
trailer, the closed trailer is the way to go.  Tools and such can be securely
stored.  When it rains there is a dry place to change or just sit.  I started
out sleeping in mine, but my wife prefers the hotel, so we have not slept in
it for years.  Off season it is a place to store parts or a car.

You do need a tow vehicle capable of pulling the heavier closed trailer.  My
trailer (20' Haulmark)  is all steel and it is over 3000 pounds empty.  I had
an 85 chevy pickup with a 5.7 liter engine, when I first got this trailer and
it was not up to the task.  Moved up to a 96 chevy with a 6.5 diesel and it
had a hard time towing the trailer up hills.  Now have a 2007 chevy with a 6
liter gas engine and it does great.

If I had to do it over I would go with an aluminum closed trailer.  Joe(B)


---------- Original Message ----------
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:12:32 -0500

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great
and
you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing
to
me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a while?
Marty
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From jaboruch at netzero.com  Sun Nov  6 10:59:56 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:59:56 GMT
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
Message-ID: <20111106.125956.16781.2@webmail52.dca.untd.com>

I have been using bronze guides for about 15 years without a problem.  Just
need adequate clearances.  They are easy to machine and shape the way you
want.  I run seals on the intakes and machine the tops to fit the seal.  Got
them from BFE the last time that I bought them.   Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Enquiries Road & Track" <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:42:21 +1000

in our engine shop, we avoid bronze guides unless we really have to use
them such as with some specially coated titanium valves

cast iron guides last for a very long time under very arduous conditions

about the only OE manufacturer that I've seen that routinely uses a bronze
guide is M Benz, and they are a very special product and only used in some
of their engines

not all bronze guides are equal. we have encountered numerous grades. all
of them are notoriously difficult to size. we have special tooling to deal
with them.

there is an argument that some types of bronze guides can run lower
clearances and therfore improve heat transfer from valve stem to guide. i
have never seen any documented or visual proof of this .

IMHO, especially with older cars like TR's, they are mostly a marketing
fad, with unscrupulous vendors appealing to the 'go faster" set

Terry
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Nov  6 11:42:40 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 10:42:40 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
	<FE40827E-F731-496C-8516-F33D6F51E35B@aol.com>
Message-ID: <15426CA1A89B47B1BB3C4B07E59C6AF3@Bud>

I'm happy with my open trailer, but if i went to an enclosed one I'd lean 
towards a 'FUNRUNNER'..You roll the car out, and then the bunks, etc. are 
lowered into the space where the car was.
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "christopher bock" <SeaCubeCo at aol.com>
To: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailers


> My friends have an enclosed trailer set up with bunks. It is like a little
> home. Electric, paint, Insulated, cabinets, microwave, coffee pot, and 
> sheets!
> I believe it is a 22 foot, with a v- nose.  Tows nice and is a real 
> pleasure
> at the track. On the off season it is a good place to store the racer.
>
> Just my opinion
> Chris
>
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:12 AM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum
> trailer
>> with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is 
>> great
> and
>> you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
>> securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty 
>> appealing
> to
>> me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people 
>> were
>> going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter 
>> open
>> trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a
> while?
>> Marty
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From ac at camoletti.ch  Sun Nov  6 12:54:11 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:54:11 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
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Message-ID: <001501cc9cbd$dc077510$94165f30$@camoletti.ch>

What is the max speed on highways in the US when pulling a trailer?
Alex (from Europe)

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Joe Boruch
Envoyi : dimanche 6 novembre 2011 18:51
@ : trmarty at hotmail.com
Cc : fot at autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] Trailers

Having started out with an open trailer and then moving up to a closed
trailer, the closed trailer is the way to go.  Tools and such can be
securely stored.  When it rains there is a dry place to change or just sit.
I started out sleeping in mine, but my wife prefers the hotel, so we have
not slept in it for years.  Off season it is a place to store parts or a
car.

You do need a tow vehicle capable of pulling the heavier closed trailer.  My
trailer (20' Haulmark)  is all steel and it is over 3000 pounds empty.  I
had an 85 chevy pickup with a 5.7 liter engine, when I first got this
trailer and it was not up to the task.  Moved up to a 96 chevy with a 6.5
diesel and it had a hard time towing the trailer up hills.  Now have a 2007
chevy with a 6 liter gas engine and it does great.

If I had to do it over I would go with an aluminum closed trailer.  Joe(B)


---------- Original Message ----------
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:12:32 -0500

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great
and you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing
to me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people
were going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter
open trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a
while?
Marty
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From stocktontr4 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 12:59:42 2011
From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com (dick stockton)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:59:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
Message-ID: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks ago,
Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY

- Dick


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 13:13:48 2011
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:13:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Message-ID: <6329a.25ee934.3be8447c@aol.com>

I'm very happy with my enclosed trailer for all of the reasons  mentioned.
 
I recall one 300 mile trip home from Phoenix in a light drizzle all the  
way. When I got home the car was TOTALLY covered with a thick brown film from  
the wet desert roads!  I was still finding mud years later.
 
The downside of the enclosed trailers is that you're anonymous.  No  
conversations with truckers on the CB and no kids with their noses pressed to  the 
windows as they pass....
 
 
In a message dated 11/6/2011 11:17:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
budscars at comcast.net writes:

I'm  happy with my open trailer, but if i went to an enclosed one I'd lean  
towards a 'FUNRUNNER'..You roll the car out, and then the bunks, etc. are  
lowered into the space where the car was.
RB
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To: "marty  sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: "FOT"  <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 9:30  AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailers


> My friends have an enclosed  trailer set up with bunks. It is like a 
little
> home. Electric, paint,  Insulated, cabinets, microwave, coffee pot, and 
> sheets!
> I  believe it is a 22 foot, with a v- nose.  Tows nice and is a real  
> pleasure
> at the track. On the off season it is a good place  to store the racer.
>
> Just my opinion
>  Chris
>
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:12 AM, marty sukey  <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am kicking around the  idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum
> trailer
>> with  an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is 
>>  great
> and
>> you don't even know its back there. However  having everything closed up
>> securely and having that enclosed room  at the track sounds pretty 
>> appealing
> to
>> me.  Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people 
>>  were
>> going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the  lighter 
>> open
>> trailers. Any advice from those of you  who have been doing this for a
> while?
>> Marty
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Nov  6 13:45:28 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:45:28 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <001501cc9cbd$dc077510$94165f30$@camoletti.ch>
References: <20111106.125122.16781.1@webmail52.dca.untd.com>
	<001501cc9cbd$dc077510$94165f30$@camoletti.ch>
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> What is the max speed on highways in the US when pulling a trailer?

I believe some areas allow as high as 75 mph (and likely won't write a
ticket for 80).

In California, trailers are limited to 55 mph, but I have been stopped while
towing at 75 mph and not gotten a ticket for speeding.  (Did get a written
warning for no seat belt, though.)

-- Randall 


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Nov  6 14:00:09 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:00:09 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Fast race....very well defended against the Lotus.

Cheers
Chris

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Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. November 2011 21:00
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Hi all,

Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks ago,
Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY

- Dick
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sun Nov  6 14:29:23 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:29:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <416D21ABDC394966A2B38A0735B0E0EF@owner8914bbf7f>

Hi Gang, I bought a new trailer in June '10. 8 1/2 x 20 enclosed with a V 
nose. All alunimum, weighs 2550 lbs. empty. With cabinets in the front. Very 
nice; I splurged a bit.
I built a fold down bunk in it. I prefer to stay at the track; one less 
thing to worry about. Besides, I like the atmosphere at the track. Just my 
preference.
I bought a new Ram 1500 last spring, with the Hemi. It has guts enough to 
tow up the side of a mountain, and as a daily driver gets 20 on the highway. 
(Probably more if I'd set the cruise lower than 73!)
I like the security of the enclosed trailer and like others, use it to store 
my race items in the winter. I have a dedicated set of tools that stays in 
the trailer; don't need to worry if I brought it with me. I tend to carry a 
lot of spares with me, but have helped quite a few guys get out of the crap 
over the last 5 years. That's also part of the fun of vintage racing.
Go ahead Marty, treat yourself! Your wife's reasonable!
Good luck with your decision.
Bill----- Original Message ----- 
From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 8:12 AM
Subject: [Fot] Trailers


>I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum 
>trailer
> with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great 
> and
> you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
> securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty 
> appealing to
> me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
> going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
> trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a 
> while?
> Marty
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Nov  6 15:27:41 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:27:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <001501cc9cbd$dc077510$94165f30$@camoletti.ch>
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	<001501cc9cbd$dc077510$94165f30$@camoletti.ch>
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Depends on the state.  In Arizona I can drive 75 pulling my double deck
trailer but when I hit California, I have to slow down to something like 60.

Joe C.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Alexandre Camoletti
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 12:54 PM
To: 'Joe Boruch'; trmarty at hotmail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailers

What is the max speed on highways in the US when pulling a trailer?
Alex (from Europe)

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Joe Boruch
Envoyi : dimanche 6 novembre 2011 18:51
@ : trmarty at hotmail.com
Cc : fot at autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] Trailers

Having started out with an open trailer and then moving up to a closed
trailer, the closed trailer is the way to go.  Tools and such can be
securely stored.  When it rains there is a dry place to change or just sit.
I started out sleeping in mine, but my wife prefers the hotel, so we have
not slept in it for years.  Off season it is a place to store parts or a
car.

You do need a tow vehicle capable of pulling the heavier closed trailer.  My
trailer (20' Haulmark)  is all steel and it is over 3000 pounds empty.  I
had an 85 chevy pickup with a 5.7 liter engine, when I first got this
trailer and it was not up to the task.  Moved up to a 96 chevy with a 6.5
diesel and it had a hard time towing the trailer up hills.  Now have a 2007
chevy with a 6 liter gas engine and it does great.

If I had to do it over I would go with an aluminum closed trailer.  Joe(B)


---------- Original Message ----------
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:12:32 -0500

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great
and you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing
to me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people
were going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter
open trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a
while?
Marty
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Sun Nov  6 15:36:56 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 17:36:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <0c0401cc9cc5$0526a1d0$0f73e570$@rr.com>
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Alex
Trailer max speed varies state to state. Most are at the legal limit 
some set the speed 5-10mph below the limit.
I haul trailers all over the country and most of Canada.
Glenn
Too Many TR'sOn 11/6/2011 3:45 PM, Randall wrote:
>> What is the max speed on highways in the US when pulling a trailer?
> I believe some areas allow as high as 75 mph (and likely won't write a
> ticket for 80).
>
> In California, trailers are limited to 55 mph, but I have been stopped while
> towing at 75 mph and not gotten a ticket for speeding.  (Did get a written
> warning for no seat belt, though.)
>
> -- Randall
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sun Nov  6 17:11:50 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 19:11:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers and mileage
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I have an enclosed 20' Vnose Worthington all-aluminum, which is great for all the reasons of convenience mentioned to date.  I currently tow with a 2010 Ford Expedition EL, and the previous tow vehicle was a 99 Suburban.  Two caveats - going from an open to closed trailer, you are going to want to switch to a load leveling/anti-sway hitch, unless you've got a monster tow vehicle.  Also, you are going to find your gas mileage drops like a stone vs the open trailer.  My Expedition, which gets 16+ mpg without a trailer, drops to 7-9 mpg with.  The 99 Suburban did the same.  Basically, you are towing a barn door, and the v-nose does not make much difference.  I had a 20' Haulmark steel trailer until it got stolen (happy day!) and the mileage was not much different from the aluminum V-nose.  Its all air resistance.

With the Expedition and the load-leveling hitch, the rig comfortably cruises at 70-75 and the trailer does not alter the driving experience much, unlike the 99, which let you know it was being steered from the rear all the time, but with an open trailer was pretty good.
So, I guess I'd take a hard look at your tow vehicle, so that you don't end up be unhappy with that aspect.

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From gasket.works at gte.net  Sun Nov  6 19:14:04 2011
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Nice drive   ....  I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
attempted pass.  Thanks for sharing.  Gratefully only egos and metal
suffered.

Mordy



On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks ago,
> Enjoy.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
>
> - Dick
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From TRDoctor at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 21:02:14 2011
From: TRDoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:02:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures
Message-ID: <CF0ED9BD-EAAC-4B85-885A-EBEB4A90994D@aol.com>

All,
I am getting ready to do a couple of track days at Hallet this month and need
some advice on tire pressures.  On the TR6 I am running 205/70/VR15 Michelins
on Panasport wheels and slightly oversized tires on the GT6.  I have been
running them @ 30 psi all around.  Any suggestions on tire pressures for track
use?

Sam Clark


From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Nov  6 21:12:23 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:12:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Trailers and mileage
In-Reply-To: <A6E4A633-558A-403B-ABCD-8909086CFDF2@me.com>
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
	<A6E4A633-558A-403B-ABCD-8909086CFDF2@me.com>
Message-ID: <A360BAE638664FA89169A3148D197B8D@Vista>

Towing my open double deck trailer with two Spits on it behind my Avalanche
I get about 11 MPG.

Joe C.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 5:12 PM
To: marty sukey
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailers and mileage

I have an enclosed 20' Vnose Worthington all-aluminum, which is great for
all the reasons of convenience mentioned to date.  I currently tow with a
2010 Ford Expedition EL, and the previous tow vehicle was a 99 Suburban.
Two caveats - going from an open to closed trailer, you are going to want to
switch to a load leveling/anti-sway hitch, unless you've got a monster tow
vehicle.  Also, you are going to find your gas mileage drops like a stone vs
the open trailer.  My Expedition, which gets 16+ mpg without a trailer,
drops to 7-9 mpg with.  The 99 Suburban did the same.  Basically, you are
towing a barn door, and the v-nose does not make much difference.  I had a
20' Haulmark steel trailer until it got stolen (happy day!) and the mileage
was not much different from the aluminum V-nose.  Its all air resistance.

With the Expedition and the load-leveling hitch, the rig comfortably cruises
at 70-75 and the trailer does not alter the driving experience much, unlike
the 99, which let you know it was being steered from the rear all the time,
but with an open trailer was pretty good.
So, I guess I'd take a hard look at your tow vehicle, so that you don't end
up be unhappy with that aspect.

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Nov  6 23:37:59 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 00:37:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures
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Message-ID: <20111107063814.0031F187652@autox.team.net>

Sam, I'd probably start with the maximum pressure printed on the 
sides of the tires.

Tony

At 10:02 PM 11/6/2011, Sam Clark wrote:
>All,
>I am getting ready to do a couple of track days at Hallet this month and need
>some advice on tire pressures.  On the TR6 I am running 205/70/VR15 Michelins
>on Panasport wheels and slightly oversized tires on the GT6.  I have been
>running them @ 30 psi all around.  Any suggestions on tire pressures for track
>use?
>
>Sam Clark


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Nov  6 23:47:28 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 06:47:28 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures
Message-ID: <mailman.52.1638251574.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

As these are normal street tires I would run them on 32-34 psi.
High sidewall means high pressure in my opinion.

Cheers
Chris 
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Betreff: [Fot] Tire Pressures
Gesendet: 7. Nov. 2011 05:02

All,
I am getting ready to do a couple of track days at Hallet this month and need
some advice on tire pressures.  On the TR6 I am running 205/70/VR15 Michelins
on Panasport wheels and slightly oversized tires on the GT6.  I have been
running them @ 30 psi all around.  Any suggestions on tire pressures for track
use?

Sam Clark
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Mon Nov  7 00:56:57 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:56:57 +1000
Subject: [Fot] re use of BRONZE GUIDES
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b30CBNu5jyTPQb3EZfMnu5=tPuoQkTmwKBDK8-2SY3Heg@mail.gmail.com>

there has been a lot of comments on this subject, but very few facts

valves transfer about 30% of their heat across the stem to guide interface
into the head casting and eventually into the cooling water .

to achieve this, the clearance must be the absolute minimal possible

engines have slightly different valve stem to guide clearance requirements,
but as an indication for cast iron guides in an OHV engine, .001K to .003K
on intake and, and .002K to .004K for exhaust guides. Wear of about 0.0015"
is usually sufficient cause to reject them.

We often see cast iron guides with a lot more wear than this and the engine
still runs perfectly OK as a shopping cart, but not as a racer. The biggest
common problem with extreme guide wear is the valves no longer seat
reliably.

on the intake, the incoming air-fuel charge slightly cools the valve stem,
so you can run them with slightly lower clearances

on the exhaust, this does not happen, so they need to be "just loose
enough" not to sieze under extreme conditions they meet.

clearly, the objective in both cases is to absolutely minimize the
clearance. NOT maximize  it  or even worse, "add a bit for good
measure" because of a material specification issue.

In extreme cases, when valves are not shedding their heat, the engine can
be prone to detonation as the heads start glowing. These valves can often
be seen to have tiny cracks in the head

whilst i'm all for making mods that improve engine performance, and spend
most of my workling days doing just this, i really don't believe this is
one of them.

I'm glad another old racer like Kas has taken the same pragmatic view i
have, if it aint broke, don't fix it

Terry


From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  7 06:46:44 2011
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:46:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <15E80FFA-9A35-469B-87E2-24DC486A6DF9@gte.net>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<15E80FFA-9A35-469B-87E2-24DC486A6DF9@gte.net>
Message-ID: <SNT136-W4A3A7B4CF070D3FB417A4F9D90@phx.gbl>

Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?

Sam


> From: gasket.works at gte.net
> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
> To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>
> Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
> attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and metal
> suffered.
>
> Mordy
>
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks
ago,
> > Enjoy.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> >
> > - Dick
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From ac at camoletti.ch  Mon Nov  7 07:35:29 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:35:29 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <SNT136-W4A3A7B4CF070D3FB417A4F9D90@phx.gbl>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<15E80FFA-9A35-469B-87E2-24DC486A6DF9@gte.net>
	<SNT136-W4A3A7B4CF070D3FB417A4F9D90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002801cc9d5a$8022bf00$80683d00$@camoletti.ch>

Gents, is the Lotus at fault ? It seems to me the TR4 just followed the
inside radius and the Lotus went against as it tried to close the door?
Sorry it may be a newbie questions but the most I learn before going on the
track, the best it is!
Cheers!
Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Sam Halkias
Envoyi : lundi 7 novembre 2011 14:47
@ : Mordy Dunst; stocktontr4 at gmail.com
Cc : fot at autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?

Sam


> From: gasket.works at gte.net
> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
> To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>
> Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
> attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and metal
> suffered.
>
> Mordy
>
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
> > weeks
ago,
> > Enjoy.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> >
> > - Dick
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> > fot at autox.team.net
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Nov  7 07:11:00 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:11:00 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <1320597108.13284.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
	<1320597108.13284.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F05F819@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

You didn't tell them about your Jacuzzi...or the time at Hallett where way to
many electric heaters were hooked at one time. I was in a tent with only an
electric blanket so I was the canary in the coal mine, getting up repeatedly
to flip the breaker. I eventually disconnect a few random cords that were
headed in a direction of some MG's.


Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Bobby Whitehead
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:32 AM
To: marty sukey
Cc: FoT Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailers

to me.. the closed trailer is secure with all my stuff inside, plus I like to
'camp out' when I go racing so my trailer converts to a small room. I carry a
twin size mattress overhead in a rack I made similar to the same one I made to
store my spare tires and wheels overhead. Plus I have a small fridge, a flat
screen TV and all my camping and cooking accessories on some shelves I built.
There's a roof top air conditioner, plus I have a nice roll around butane
heater. Don't forget a smoke detector (carbon monoxide too, don't want to wake
up dead). It makes it all self contained. I use the trailer for even storing
and securing my track side roll around tool chest.

Personally, I like the camping out versus staying at the hotel, although it's
not a $$$ issue... it's fun to see who's hanging around and the shenanigans in
the track area after the gates close... yes, I even break out the acoustic
guitar, pop a cap, and have been heard around the trailer singing and
strumming
at the moon... some say, it sounds like a cat getting nailed to the wall....
sweeet...

call me, camped out at the track...

Bobby Whitehead




________________________________
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, November 6, 2011 7:12:32 AM
Subject: [Fot] Trailers

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great and
you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing to
me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a while?
Marty
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Mon Nov  7 07:45:23 2011
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (MARKANDGLENDA PENDERGRASS)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 06:45:23 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <SNT136-W4A3A7B4CF070D3FB417A4F9D90@phx.gbl>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<15E80FFA-9A35-469B-87E2-24DC486A6DF9@gte.net>
	<SNT136-W4A3A7B4CF070D3FB417A4F9D90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CACx-LfO63-deLR_SMX8oATPM5B79KzzE=iWoz0zKMX3K-Eu4Ag@mail.gmail.com>

Did that guy say, "whats the matter with you"?? That boy needs to look in
the mirror

Mark

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Sam Halkias <atr6racer at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?
>
> Sam
>
>
> > From: gasket.works at gte.net
> > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
> > To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> > CC: fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>  >
> > Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
> > attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and metal
> > suffered.
> >
> > Mordy
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks
> ago,
> > > Enjoy.
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> > >
> > > - Dick
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > fot at autox.team.net
> > >
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Mon Nov  7 08:03:52 2011
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 07:03:52 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Racing line.
In-Reply-To: <002801cc9d5a$8022bf00$80683d00$@camoletti.ch>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<15E80FFA-9A35-469B-87E2-24DC486A6DF9@gte.net>
	<SNT136-W4A3A7B4CF070D3FB417A4F9D90@phx.gbl>
	<002801cc9d5a$8022bf00$80683d00$@camoletti.ch>
Message-ID: <C4D77915-980B-4880-B291-3F532F22B447@gte.net>

My racing vintage organization has a simple rule.  Overtaking car has the
responsibility of making a clean no contact pass.  Turning in on another car
like this in the "hopes" that the other car backs off could work.... But way
risky and way wrong.  Poor choice.....

M


On Nov 7, 2011, at 6:35 AM, "Alexandre Camoletti" <ac at camoletti.ch> wrote:

> Gents, is the Lotus at fault ? It seems to me the TR4 just followed the
> inside radius and the Lotus went against as it tried to close the door?
> Sorry it may be a newbie questions but the most I learn before going on the
> track, the best it is!
> Cheers!
> Alex
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
> part de Sam Halkias
> EnvoyC) : lundi 7 novembre 2011 14:47
> C : Mordy Dunst; stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> Cc : fot at autox.team.net
> Objet : Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>
> Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?
>
> Sam
>
>
>> From: gasket.works at gte.net
>> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
>> To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
>> CC: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>>
>> Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
>> attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and metal
>> suffered.
>>
>> Mordy
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
>>> weeks
> ago,
>>> Enjoy.
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
>>>
>>> - Dick
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>
>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>>
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Nov  7 08:39:01 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:39:01 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F05F9C8@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

I'm currently pulling a 28' Pace Shadow GT trailer with two TR4's inside with
my 2007 GMC 6.0 gas 4X4. I don't like it very much because most of the
benefits you all have listed aren't there for me. The math is two 2,000 lb.
cars, a 5,600 lb. trailer, and 10,000 lb. capacity, so with a couple of spare
tires in the trailer (let's not talk about tires) all the gear goes in the
pickup bed like it always did. The truck is GVWR'd at 10,700 I'm maxed out.
That makes it very hard on the truck.

I miss the thumbs up, honks and as someone said the kids noses pressed up
against the windows too. So when my son isn't racing I go back to the open
trailer.

On a more positive side it does free up two garage spaces.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of marty sukey
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:13 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Trailers

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great and
you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing to
me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a while?
Marty
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Nov  7 08:41:32 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:41:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111071033140.26247@isis.mit.edu>

On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:

> I'm very happy with my enclosed trailer for all of the reasons  mentioned.
>
> I recall one 300 mile trip home from Phoenix in a light drizzle all the
> way. When I got home the car was TOTALLY covered with a thick brown film from
> the wet desert roads!  I was still finding mud years later.
>
> The downside of the enclosed trailers is that you're anonymous.  No
> conversations with truckers on the CB and no kids with their noses pressed to  the
> windows as they pass....

Agreed on this one. You just gotta "sticker up" the trailer. Then everyone 
slows down to look at the driver of the rig when they're passing. :-)

Side bar, one of my favorite CB conversations ever was in 2001 driving to 
the SCCA Solo Nationals in an RV with a TR4 on an open trailer. 
Indianapolis, IN on I70 (I guess). We're just driving along and this woman 
with a very clear and proper English accent says simply: I say, is that a 
Triumph TR4?

We nearly drove off the road from the surprise. Turns out that she 
relocated to the US and was a cross country driver for a major moving 
company.

So, open trailers def. have certain up sides.

But in my book, the enclosed advantages all outweigh the open trailer 
thing except for storing the trailer itself. Enclosed trailers are a pain 
to store if oyu don't have a lot of space (or friends with lots of space).

To the topic: 20' Pace American Rally, 3000 pounds empty. I tow with a '99 
Chevy Express 3500 with a 5.7 engine and no tow package. This rig tows 
really nice indeed. Fuel economy is about 10 MPG with the car in the 
trailer... I've gotten more than 11 MPG with that setup, but since the 
switch to 10% ethanol, it's more like 9.5 - 10 mpg.

c ya,
rml
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Nov  7 08:57:41 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:57:41 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CACx-LfO63-deLR_SMX8oATPM5B79KzzE=iWoz0zKMX3K-Eu4Ag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<15E80FFA-9A35-469B-87E2-24DC486A6DF9@gte.net>
	<SNT136-W4A3A7B4CF070D3FB417A4F9D90@phx.gbl>
	<CACx-LfO63-deLR_SMX8oATPM5B79KzzE=iWoz0zKMX3K-Eu4Ag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F05FA0B@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

This is Jersey. It was more likely, "what's a matter for you"

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of MARKANDGLENDA PENDERGRASS
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 8:45 AM
To: Sam Halkias
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Did that guy say, "whats the matter with you"?? That boy needs to look in the
mirror

Mark

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Sam Halkias <atr6racer at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?
>
> Sam
>
>
> > From: gasket.works at gte.net
> > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
> > To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> > CC: fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>  >
> > Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested
> > the attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and
> > metal suffered.
> >
> > Mordy
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
> > > weeks
> ago,
> > > Enjoy.
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> > >
> > > - Dick
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 09:09:11 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:09:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
Message-ID: <36e61.6259b723.3be95ca7@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/07/2011 9:17:35 AM Central Standard Time, 
ac at camoletti.ch writes:


> Gents, is the Lotus at fault? It seems to me the TR4 just followed the
> inside radius and the Lotus went against as it tried to close the door?
> Sorry it may be a newbie questions but the most I learn before going on 
> the
> track, the best it is!
> 

A good question, which might produce an interesting thread, and give all of 
us pause to consider what we can do to keep vintage racing safe.

Early on in so called 'vintage racing', in an effort to promote safety, and 
accommodate eclectic racing grids with a wide disparity of talent and 
horsepower, the race car whose nose hit the entry to a corner first 'owned' the 
line, and any car behind was expected to give up any attempt to pass in that 
corner.  I recall Bob Tullius commenting at an early event banquet at Road 
America that he felt all racing was dangerous, and 'vintage racing' should be 
limited to a 'high speed parade'.  Yeah...right.  Let's date naked but not 
touch anything.

Well, we all know that it is very difficult to only put it in a little.  In 
the heat of battle, the best of good intentions can go astray.  This is 
particularly true when experienced racers vintage race.  Both Dick Stockton and 
Denny Wilson are veteran racers, with loads of experience.  Here they were 
involved in a very hard fought race.  It is unfortunate, but not surprising 
that it might end with an unfortunate incident.

I would be very interested in knowing what action the Steward and/or 
Driver's Committee took as the result.  

>From what I can see in the video, Dick had a nose in front at the entry to 
the corner, and Denny seemed to out brake him, got the lead and was then 
going to follow a traditional line through the corner.  This includes going 
EXACTLY where Dick is going to go next.  'Well prepared' (read into that what 
you want) Lotus 7s and TRIUMPH TR4s are not equally nimble, nor are their 
brakes necessarily equal.  I am not surprised there was an incident as the 
result.

I think it was GREAT racing, and I enjoyed watching it.  It is unfortunate 
that there was an incident.  I like Mordy's take that it is great only egos 
and sheet metal got injured.

Bill Dentinger


From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 09:14:09 2011
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:14:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1320682449.2504.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

 It looks like you held your line and the guy didn't make a clean pass. What
did the stewards say about the altercation?
 
Mike

From: dick stockton
<stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011
1:59 PM
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Hi all,

Here is video from
the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks ago,
Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY

- Dick
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Mon Nov  7 09:47:42 2011
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:47:42 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Fot] Racing line.
Message-ID: <239432.1320684462349.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I didnt follow the original thread so apologies if this isnt news, but - 
SVRA charged the Lotus driver with causing the incident, as they should have.

There was no reason for his action but I'm sure his frustration with running behind for the whole race was pretty high.

Right up until then it was a spectacular race for those two.


-----Original Message-----
>From: Mordy <gasket.works at gte.net>
>Sent: Nov 7, 2011 10:03 AM
>To: Alexandre Camoletti <ac at camoletti.ch>
>Cc: "<fot at autox.team.net>" <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] Racing line.
>
>My racing vintage organization has a simple rule.  Overtaking car has the
>responsibility of making a clean no contact pass.  Turning in on another car
>like this in the "hopes" that the other car backs off could work.... But way
>risky and way wrong.  Poor choice.....
>
>M
>
>
>On Nov 7, 2011, at 6:35 AM, "Alexandre Camoletti" <ac at camoletti.ch> wrote:
>
>> Gents, is the Lotus at fault ? It seems to me the TR4 just followed the
>> inside radius and the Lotus went against as it tried to close the door?
>> Sorry it may be a newbie questions but the most I learn before going on the
>> track, the best it is!
>> Cheers!
>> Alex
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
>> part de Sam Halkias
>> EnvoyC) : lundi 7 novembre 2011 14:47
>> C : Mordy Dunst; stocktontr4 at gmail.com
>> Cc : fot at autox.team.net
>> Objet : Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>>
>> Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?
>>
>> Sam
>>
>>
>>> From: gasket.works at gte.net
>>> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
>>> To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
>>> CC: fot at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>>>
>>> Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
>>> attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and metal
>>> suffered.
>>>
>>> Mordy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
>>>> weeks
>> ago,
>>>> Enjoy.
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
>>>>
>>>> - Dick
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Nov  7 09:52:02 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:52:02 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F05F9C8@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
	<639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F05F9C8@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F05FAD0@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

And I forgot to mention, I can't get even 10 mpg with this rig.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
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out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Kramer, Robert
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:39 AM
To: marty sukey; FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailers

I'm currently pulling a 28' Pace Shadow GT trailer with two TR4's inside with
my 2007 GMC 6.0 gas 4X4. I don't like it very much because most of the
benefits you all have listed aren't there for me. The math is two 2,000 lb.
cars, a 5,600 lb. trailer, and 10,000 lb. capacity, so with a couple of spare
tires in the trailer (let's not talk about tires) all the gear goes in the
pickup bed like it always did. The truck is GVWR'd at 10,700 I'm maxed out.
That makes it very hard on the truck.

I miss the thumbs up, honks and as someone said the kids noses pressed up
against the windows too. So when my son isn't racing I go back to the open
trailer.

On a more positive side it does free up two garage spaces.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of marty sukey
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:13 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Trailers

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great and
you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing to
me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a while?
Marty
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Mon Nov  7 09:56:15 2011
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:56:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Message-ID: <380-220111117165615161@M2W131.mail2web.com>

I agree with the enclosed-trailer crowd to a point, but my one devil's
advocate remark is: Of all of the race rigs that have been stolen, how many
of them have been open trailers? In my experience, that number is zero.
Enclosed trailers are thief magnets, unfortunately.

We haul on open trailers just because we don't have the money or space for
an enclosed, and it's less of a load on the tow vehicle, but I really don't
regret any of it except the obvious fact that the poor car is out in the
rain/road muck if the weather turns bad. We love the thumbs-up and
pressed-noses (okay, so we get them anyway, as we usually haul with a shiny
1984 Airstream motor home), and it's easy to get to the car at any point.

Our favorite trip was hauling back from the 2001 Breckenridge VTR with the
newly acquired Amphicar project on an open trailer. So many people were so
interested in the car I had to print a fact sheet on it in large letters
and tape it to the front door. I can't tell you how many people came
alongside the car and read the sheet (I was following in Brad's Spitfire,
so I had a great view)--there were LOTS.

Just take precautions in parking and securing your enclosed trailer and you
should be fine.

Just my 2 cents!

Keep Triumphing,

Susan     :)


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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Mon Nov  7 09:55:56 2011
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 08:55:56 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111071033140.26247@isis.mit.edu>
References: <6329a.25ee934.3be8447c@aol.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111071033140.26247@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4EB80D9C.7020808@comcast.net>

Thought I'd chime in here too.  I tow the Spitfire in a enclosed 20' 
Pace behind a 28' Winnebago.  It works great for the most part and 
allows us to stay at the track which we have always liked.  The average 
mileage drops about 2 mpg from 9.3 to 7.3 when towing.  Gotta drop a 
gear on hills and a strong headwind coming at a slight angle from the 
front (North Dakota) will drop the mileage even further and make the 
driving intense.    I shredded a rear tire on the trailer going to 
Laguna Seca last June for the Kastner Cup race and didn't even know it 
until someone pulled up beside me and waved and pointed.


From REK46 at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 10:54:18 2011
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:54:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Message-ID: <20098.30177c0a.3be9754a@aol.com>

I may as well throw in one food for thought too...I bought a 20' Haulmark  
enclosed tlr..Its great for all the aforementioned reasons...however,when i 
got  it I sold my open one which reduced the net outlay by $1000 at the 
time....great  then but have regretted selling the open tlr ever since because 
of the ease and  convenience of using it around town or hauling just about 
anything for myself or  friends/family. I wish I had kept it....try having a 
tow-motor load a used lathe  into your closed tlr...my ramp wont hold 
that...etc. etc., Rick
 
 
In a message dated 11/7/2011 12:27:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
norlinengineering at comcast.net writes:

Thought  I'd chime in here too.  I tow the Spitfire in a enclosed 20' 
Pace  behind a 28' Winnebago.  It works great for the most part and 
allows  us to stay at the track which we have always liked.  The average  
mileage drops about 2 mpg from 9.3 to 7.3 when towing.  Gotta drop a  
gear on hills and a strong headwind coming at a slight angle from the  
front (North Dakota) will drop the mileage even further and make the  
driving intense.    I shredded a rear tire on the trailer going  to 
Laguna Seca last June for the Kastner Cup race and didn't even know it  
until someone pulled up beside me and waved and  pointed.
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Nov  7 11:38:37 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:38:37 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
References: <20098.30177c0a.3be9754a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <273ED9FBD8A24C8CB41793BE8EB6250D@Bud>

There is a lot to be said for 'keeping it simple', and I don't have space to 
park a car hauler..My Spitfire fits onto my little trailer, and the whole 
thing backs into 1/2 of my normal size 2 car garage, leaving plenty of room 
to park my Miata.The trailer is open in the center, and is high enough so 
that I can comfortably do 'under the car' work while the car is still on the 
trailer(this works great for pulling a tranny at the track too)..
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <REK46 at aol.com>
To: <norlinengineering at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailers


>I may as well throw in one food for thought too...I bought a 20' Haulmark
> enclosed tlr..Its great for all the aforementioned reasons...however,when 
> i
> got  it I sold my open one which reduced the net outlay by $1000 at the
> time....great  then but have regretted selling the open tlr ever since 
> because
> of the ease and  convenience of using it around town or hauling just about
> anything for myself or  friends/family. I wish I had kept it....try having 
> a
> tow-motor load a used lathe  into your closed tlr...my ramp wont hold
> that...etc. etc., Rick
>
>
> In a message dated 11/7/2011 12:27:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> norlinengineering at comcast.net writes:
>
> Thought  I'd chime in here too.  I tow the Spitfire in a enclosed 20'
> Pace  behind a 28' Winnebago.  It works great for the most part and
> allows  us to stay at the track which we have always liked.  The average
> mileage drops about 2 mpg from 9.3 to 7.3 when towing.  Gotta drop a
> gear on hills and a strong headwind coming at a slight angle from the
> front (North Dakota) will drop the mileage even further and make the
> driving intense.    I shredded a rear tire on the trailer going  to
> Laguna Seca last June for the Kastner Cup race and didn't even know it
> until someone pulled up beside me and waved and  pointed.
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From bownes at seiri.com  Mon Nov  7 11:39:32 2011
From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:39:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
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Message-ID: <57135DCA-6272-4EDC-8EC9-E1A2FE6941F0@seiri.com>

Yup. That is exactly why I kept the open trailer too. Just try having the
forklift at the local scrap yard try to take the used up LeMons car out of the
24' Haulmark...



On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:54, REK46 at aol.com wrote:

> I may as well throw in one food for thought too...I bought a 20' Haulmark
> enclosed tlr..Its great for all the aforementioned reasons...however,when i
> got  it I sold my open one which reduced the net outlay by $1000 at the
> time....great  then but have regretted selling the open tlr ever since
because
> of the ease and  convenience of using it around town or hauling just about
> anything for myself or  friends/family. I wish I had kept it....try having a
> tow-motor load a used lathe  into your closed tlr...my ramp wont hold
> that...etc. etc., Rick
>
>
> In a message dated 11/7/2011 12:27:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> norlinengineering at comcast.net writes:
>
> Thought  I'd chime in here too.  I tow the Spitfire in a enclosed 20'
> Pace  behind a 28' Winnebago.  It works great for the most part and
> allows  us to stay at the track which we have always liked.  The average
> mileage drops about 2 mpg from 9.3 to 7.3 when towing.  Gotta drop a
> gear on hills and a strong headwind coming at a slight angle from the
> front (North Dakota) will drop the mileage even further and make the
> driving intense.    I shredded a rear tire on the trailer going  to
> Laguna Seca last June for the Kastner Cup race and didn't even know it
> until someone pulled up beside me and waved and  pointed.
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Nov  7 12:19:19 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:19:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
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I think that the same Lotus that finished 2nd behind a Sunbeam Tiger at the
VIR Gold Cup....

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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 4:00 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


Fast race....very well defended against the Lotus.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von dick stockton
Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. November 2011 21:00
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Hi all,

Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks ago,
Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY

- Dick
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Nov  7 12:25:45 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:25:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <SNT136-W4A3A7B4CF070D3FB417A4F9D90@phx.gbl>
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His Lotis is certainly painted the same color

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From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Sam Halkias
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 8:47 AM
To: Mordy Dunst; stocktontr4 at gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?

Sam


> From: gasket.works at gte.net
> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
> To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>
> Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
> attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and metal
> suffered.
>
> Mordy
>
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
> > weeks
ago,
> > Enjoy.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> >
> > - Dick
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Nov  7 12:28:34 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:28:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
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In my humble opinion. Wilson was at fault.

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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Alexandre Camoletti
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:35 AM
To: 'Sam Halkias'; 'Mordy Dunst'; stocktontr4 at gmail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


Gents, is the Lotus at fault ? It seems to me the TR4 just followed the
inside radius and the Lotus went against as it tried to close the door?
Sorry it may be a newbie questions but the most I learn before going on the
track, the best it is! Cheers! Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Sam Halkias Envoyi : lundi 7 novembre 2011 14:47 @ : Mordy Dunst;
stocktontr4 at gmail.com Cc : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4
NJMP in car

Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?

Sam


> From: gasket.works at gte.net
> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
> To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>
> Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
> attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and metal
> suffered.
>
> Mordy
>
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
> > weeks
ago,
> > Enjoy.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> >
> > - Dick
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 12:34:42 2011
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:34:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fot Trailers
Message-ID: <1E31B480-A15A-4EBD-B0ED-0108B2C1ECA0@aol.com>

YEARS ago I purchased a "Tommy's" aluminum trailer which is an open trailer
with a "topper" on it.  It is an aluminum skeleton covered in a vinyl cover.
We pulled it to California in '93 with an'83 F-150 with a manual transmission
with OD in July.  We figured out pretty quick that we were going to have a
better tow rig.  It was like pulling a parachute.  We could not run the AC or
use the OD.  I was a long hot trip.  We bought a '95 F-350 with a 460 in it
and couldn't pass a gas station with it.  Bought a '97 F-350 Diesel and were
still not satisfied with it.  It just wouldn't pull.  Finally bought an early
'99 Power Stroke (with the cast iron engine) and we still have the same truck.
With a 4400 pound Jag XJS and not sway bars on the trailer we could run 80 mph
with the cruise and AC on.


From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Nov  7 14:25:57 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:25:57 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Trailers and mileage
In-Reply-To: <A6E4A633-558A-403B-ABCD-8909086CFDF2@me.com>
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
	<A6E4A633-558A-403B-ABCD-8909086CFDF2@me.com>
Message-ID: <4EB84CE5.6000203@pobox.com>

I don't think anyone has mentioned you can work on your car inside too.  
I'll never forget the cam swap we did at Mid Ohio in 2002.  I have an 
18' Haulmark with the slanted nose.  I believe the slant nose helps with 
the gas mileage, but unfortunately they no longer offer it.  I used to 
get about 9mpg with my 2000 Expedition.  I always wanted a diesel, but I 
didn't want to go to a 3/4 or 1 ton truck.  Unfortunately, no US maker 
puts a diesel in anything smaller, but the Germans do.  I replaced it 
with a BMW X5 3.0 TDI  which pulls stronger and gets 50% better 
mileage.  Ok, so it was a little pricey. As Scott said, it needs an 
anti-sway device.
Larry


From stocktontr4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 14:57:30 2011
From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com (dick stockton)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:57:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
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	<SNT120-W256AB7CEF31F3DBA52483DFD80@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <CA+1coLi7SOwCdvvm1czSU2uj2tChBQRhRaa-yFVfceSiBkY9VQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

The driver was Denny Wilson. Stewards ruled in my favor and he was put on
probation. Thanks for the comments.

- Dick

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:52 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Kas,
>
> How have you been? This is my email address and I picked up a laptop.
> Still trying to figure this out.
>
> Dick
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
>
>>  Hey hey hey.  You joined the real world? Wonderful Dick. Is this your
>> address or are you on someone elses computer?
>>
>> Never be beaten by equipment
>>
>> > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:59:42 -0500
>> > From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
>> > To: fot at autox.team.net
>> > Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>>
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks
>> ago,
>> > Enjoy.
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
>> >
>> > - Dick
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > fot at autox.team.net
>> >
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Nov  7 15:47:27 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:47:27 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com><SNT120-W256AB7CEF31F3DBA52483DFD80@phx.gbl><CA+1coLi8U5gviAGUb8FLT1xk3C3bomqOXuknHB3yqNbimbxR4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+1coLi7SOwCdvvm1czSU2uj2tChBQRhRaa-yFVfceSiBkY9VQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <21056F070C314F0BB6BB101D17D6371C@Bud>

That's a Classic..The Lotus trys an outside pass, turns in on you, leaving 
you no place to go, and then..."What tha hell is tha matta with you?!"(:>)
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dick stockton" <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


> Hi all,
>
> The driver was Denny Wilson. Stewards ruled in my favor and he was put on
> probation. Thanks for the comments.
>
> - Dick
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:52 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Kas,
>>
>> How have you been? This is my email address and I picked up a laptop.
>> Still trying to figure this out.
>>
>> Dick
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>  Hey hey hey.  You joined the real world? Wonderful Dick. Is this your
>>> address or are you on someone elses computer?
>>>
>>> Never be beaten by equipment
>>>
>>> > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:59:42 -0500
>>> > From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
>>> > To: fot at autox.team.net
>>> > Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Hi all,
>>> >
>>> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks
>>> ago,
>>> > Enjoy.
>>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
>>> >
>>> > - Dick
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > fot at autox.team.net
>>> >
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From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 16:04:22 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:04:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CA+1coLi7SOwCdvvm1czSU2uj2tChBQRhRaa-yFVfceSiBkY9VQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<SNT120-W256AB7CEF31F3DBA52483DFD80@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <CAP9qD9O0YAWbh7M8gf+MFw7+sM6RKgvfOfHgMb2w=TSMR0Akng@mail.gmail.com>

Nice driving , Wilson and Butch McKenzie battled it out at VIR, really
surprised if Wilson stayed ahead.Great video Dick, thanks for sharing.

rob deanes

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:57 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The driver was Denny Wilson. Stewards ruled in my favor and he was put on
> probation. Thanks for the comments.
>
> - Dick
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:52 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Kas,
> >
> > How have you been? This is my email address and I picked up a laptop.
> > Still trying to figure this out.
> >
> > Dick
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >>  Hey hey hey.  You joined the real world? Wonderful Dick. Is this your
> >> address or are you on someone elses computer?
> >>
> >> Never be beaten by equipment
> >>
> >> > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:59:42 -0500
> >> > From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> >> > To: fot at autox.team.net
> >> > Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>  >>
> >> >
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks
> >> ago,
> >> > Enjoy.
> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> >> >
> >> > - Dick
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > fot at autox.team.net
> >> >
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-- 
rob deanes
TR Racer


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Nov  7 16:39:57 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:39:57 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CAP9qD9O0YAWbh7M8gf+MFw7+sM6RKgvfOfHgMb2w=TSMR0Akng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT120-W256AB7CEF31F3DBA52483DFD80@phx.gbl>
	<CA+1coLi8U5gviAGUb8FLT1xk3C3bomqOXuknHB3yqNbimbxR4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+1coLi7SOwCdvvm1czSU2uj2tChBQRhRaa-yFVfceSiBkY9VQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F05FF64@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

Did the Wilson histrionics remind anyone else of the Snoopy versus the Red
Barron cartoon they used to show at Christmas time? The Red Baron all in an
uproar? Put the last section of that video to the Royal Guardsman Classic:

After the turn of the century
In the clear blue skies over Germany
Came a roar and a thunder men had never heard
Like the scream and the sound of a big war bird
Up in the sky, a man in a plane
Baron von Richtofin was his name
Eighty men tried, and eighty men died
Now they're buried together on the countryside

Chorus:
Ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty or more
The Bloody Red Baron was rollin' out the score
Eighty men died tryin' to end that spree
Of the Bloody Red Baron of Germany

In the nick of time, a hero arose
A funny-looking dog with a big black nose
He flew into the sky to seek revenge
But the Baron shot him down--"Curses, foiled again!"

Now, Snoopy had sworn that he'd get that man
So he asked the Great Pumpkin for a new battle plan
He challenged the German to a real dogfight
While the Baron was laughing, he got him in his sight

That Bloody Red Baron was in a fix
He'd tried everything, but he'd run out of tricks
Snoopy fired once, and he fired twice
And that Bloody Red Baron went spinning out of sight

Talk about off topic :) I guess just in one of those good moods
today.............Snoopy can do that and I hope it lasts.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Robert Deanes
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 5:04 PM
To: dick stockton
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Nice driving , Wilson and Butch McKenzie battled it out at VIR, really
surprised if Wilson stayed ahead.Great video Dick, thanks for sharing.

rob deanes

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:57 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The driver was Denny Wilson. Stewards ruled in my favor and he was put
> on probation. Thanks for the comments.
>
> - Dick
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:52 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Kas,
> >
> > How have you been? This is my email address and I picked up a laptop.
> > Still trying to figure this out.
> >
> > Dick
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >>  Hey hey hey.  You joined the real world? Wonderful Dick. Is this
> >> your address or are you on someone elses computer?
> >>
> >> Never be beaten by equipment
> >>
> >> > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:59:42 -0500
> >> > From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> >> > To: fot at autox.team.net
> >> > Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>  >>
> >> >
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
> >> > weeks
> >> ago,
> >> > Enjoy.
> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> >> >
> >> > - Dick
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From jfrymark at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 19:46:24 2011
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:46:24 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
Message-ID: <BB68CAC4-AAC5-401C-8B60-05F564E66FE6@aol.com>

I'm surprised nobody mentioned the start. I presume the Lotus had pole  
and controlled the start from the pace car. He just took off and  
didn't let the grid form up for the green flag. Maybe probation will  
allow the "red fog" to lift, but probably not.

John Frymark


From fpspitfire at comcast.net  Mon Nov  7 21:05:51 2011
From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (Aaron Johnson)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 04:05:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
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I probably shouldn't get into this but.   You guys crack me up.

If I'm behind someone who gets that much wheel spin and that horrible of a rub
off the corner you can damn sure bet I'm going outside and going to drop down
a but to get the position yielded.

It is RACING after all.  If your supposed to just run behind, why flipping
bother

Aaron
#87 HP Spitfire 1500
Southern Illinois Region SCCA

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:46, John Frymark <jfrymarkoyls at aol.com> wrote:

> I'm surprised nobody mentioned the start. I presume the Lotus had pole and
controlled the start from the pace car. He just took off and didn't let the
grid form up for the green flag. Maybe probation will allow the "red fog" to
lift, but probably not.
>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 08:24:22 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 10:24:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
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In a message dated 11/07/2011 10:23:30 PM Central Standard Time, 
fpspitfire at comcast.net writes:


> <<< I probably shouldn't get into this but. >>>
Right!
   <<< You guys crack me up. >>>
More likely the reverse is true.

Recall, we're watching a 'vintage' race.  Not NASCAR.  Not SCCA.

Bill Dentinger


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Tue Nov  8 09:18:49 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:18:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
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Don't forget that Ceasar Cone and his Alfa beat McKenzie and was gaining on
Wilson at race end....

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Nice driving , Wilson and Butch McKenzie battled it out at VIR, really
surprised if Wilson stayed ahead.Great video Dick, thanks for sharing.

rob deanes

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:57 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The driver was Denny Wilson. Stewards ruled in my favor and he was put
> on probation. Thanks for the comments.
>
> - Dick
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:52 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Kas,
> >
> > How have you been? This is my email address and I picked up a
> > laptop. Still trying to figure this out.
> >
> > Dick
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >>  Hey hey hey.  You joined the real world? Wonderful Dick. Is this
> >> your address or are you on someone elses computer?
> >>
> >> Never be beaten by equipment
> >>
> >> > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:59:42 -0500
> >> > From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> >> > To: fot at autox.team.net
> >> > Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>  >>
> >> >
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
> >> > weeks
> >> ago,
> >> > Enjoy.
> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> >> >
> >> > - Dick
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Tue Nov  8 09:26:59 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:26:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
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Spoken like a true group 1 guy!

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I probably shouldn't get into this but.   You guys crack me up.

If I'm behind someone who gets that much wheel spin and that horrible of a
rub off the corner you can damn sure bet I'm going outside and going to drop
down a but to get the position yielded.

It is RACING after all.  If your supposed to just run behind, why flipping
bother

Aaron
#87 HP Spitfire 1500
Southern Illinois Region SCCA

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:46, John Frymark <jfrymarkoyls at aol.com> wrote:

> I'm surprised nobody mentioned the start. I presume the Lotus had pole
> and
controlled the start from the pace car. He just took off and didn't let the
grid form up for the green flag. Maybe probation will allow the "red fog" to
lift, but probably not.
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Tue Nov  8 10:25:17 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:25:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
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	<45CFFC59-7EAD-4FE8-8B52-9C7AA6C4B15C@comcast.net>
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I probably shouldn't get into this, but here goes:
This was a vintage race, not a regional or national. We don't have runoffs 
at the end of the year. We (most of us) do this for fun, and the friendships 
we develope. Not for a national championship or a trophy.
The vintage guys stress safety; it's a no-contact sport. Sometimes things do 
happen, but outward aggression on the track is not acceptable. The Lotus 
driver is on a 13 month probation.
Some vintage organizations tell you at the driver's meeting: if you REALLY 
need a trophy, they will give you one. If not , drive sensibly. And have 
fun.
At the W G Vintage race in Sept, I had a great race with a 356 Porsche. We 
both had a blast. Didn't matter who won. I talked to the driver of the 356 
after the race; we were both elated with the race. No trophy can ever be 
better than that feeling. And we were mid pack!-
Just my 2 cents worth.
Peace, Bill Tobin  SVRA & VRG Vintage driver---- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aaron Johnson" <fpspitfire at comcast.net>
To: "John Frymark" <jfrymark at aol.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


>I probably shouldn't get into this but.   You guys crack me up.
>
> If I'm behind someone who gets that much wheel spin and that horrible of a 
> rub
> off the corner you can damn sure bet I'm going outside and going to drop 
> down
> a but to get the position yielded.
>
> It is RACING after all.  If your supposed to just run behind, why flipping
> bother
>
> Aaron
> #87 HP Spitfire 1500
> Southern Illinois Region SCCA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:46, John Frymark <jfrymarkoyls at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm surprised nobody mentioned the start. I presume the Lotus had pole 
>> and
> controlled the start from the pace car. He just took off and didn't let 
> the
> grid form up for the green flag. Maybe probation will allow the "red fog" 
> to
> lift, but probably not.
>>
>> John Frymark
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Nov  8 10:43:56 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:43:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CE7E76878FB7477BB3DDD03B081B0BF1@gdhs.local>
Message-ID: <140100963.1668273.1320774236482.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Aaron,

Frankly turning down on Dick was a bonehead move, period. All he had to do was
hold the outside

next to dick until the exit at which time he would limit the amount Dick could
track out on exit, thus

forcing Dick to lift.

I would'nt have done something that stupid in the SCCA, for money. Nothing
ever good comes from

turning down on someone from the outside.

just my .02



Jim G



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To: "Aaron Johnson" <fpspitfire at comcast.net>, "John Frymark"
<jfrymark at aol.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:26:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Spoken like a true group 1 guy!

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


I probably shouldn't get into this but. B  You guys crack me up.

If I'm behind someone who gets that much wheel spin and that horrible of a
rub off the corner you can damn sure bet I'm going outside and going to drop
down a but to get the position yielded.

It is RACING after all. B If your supposed to just run behind, why flipping
bother

Aaron
#87 HP Spitfire 1500
Southern Illinois Region SCCA

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:46, John Frymark <jfrymarkoyls at aol.com> wrote:

> I'm surprised nobody mentioned the start. I presume the Lotus had pole
> and
controlled the start from the pace car. He just took off and didn't let the
grid form up for the green flag. Maybe probation will allow the "red fog" to
lift, but probably not.
>
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From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Nov  8 11:25:00 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:25:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nilos hub seal
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Anyone have any experience using these as the inner bearing seal on front hubs?  I'm thinking about using them to replace the felt seals on my GT6 that leak and fall apart every time I disassemble the hubs.


From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Nov  8 11:27:58 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 10:27:58 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
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	<ECBC3B23C9AB448791CA842C33D31845@owner8914bbf7f>
Message-ID: <35BEF30646B24FCCBB718DDDC6C18070@Bud>

To Bill Tobin, Aaron, and all....

I'm in total agreement with Bill...Vintage racing is different from present 
day SCCA racing, although not a lot different from SCCA in the 1960s, where 
we were expected to race clean and make clean passes....One of the things I 
like the most about racing in vintage is the 'decision making' 
process'...being able to make a split-second decision about a pass, knowing 
that it HAS TO BE a clean pass, not just Hoping that it's a clean pass..
Racer Bud..Spitfire #21
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To: "Aaron Johnson" <fpspitfire at comcast.net>; "John Frymark" 
<jfrymark at aol.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


>I probably shouldn't get into this, but here goes:
> This was a vintage race, not a regional or national. We don't have runoffs 
> at the end of the year. We (most of us) do this for fun, and the 
> friendships we develope. Not for a national championship or a trophy.
> The vintage guys stress safety; it's a no-contact sport. Sometimes things 
> do happen, but outward aggression on the track is not acceptable. The 
> Lotus driver is on a 13 month probation.
> Some vintage organizations tell you at the driver's meeting: if you REALLY 
> need a trophy, they will give you one. If not , drive sensibly. And have 
> fun.
> At the W G Vintage race in Sept, I had a great race with a 356 Porsche. We 
> both had a blast. Didn't matter who won. I talked to the driver of the 356 
> after the race; we were both elated with the race. No trophy can ever be 
> better than that feeling. And we were mid pack!-
> Just my 2 cents worth.
> Peace, Bill Tobin  SVRA & VRG Vintage driver---- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Aaron Johnson" <fpspitfire at comcast.net>
> To: "John Frymark" <jfrymark at aol.com>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>
>
>>I probably shouldn't get into this but.   You guys crack me up.
>>
>> If I'm behind someone who gets that much wheel spin and that horrible of 
>> a rub
>> off the corner you can damn sure bet I'm going outside and going to drop 
>> down
>> a but to get the position yielded.
>>
>> It is RACING after all.  If your supposed to just run behind, why 
>> flipping
>> bother
>>
>> Aaron
>> #87 HP Spitfire 1500
>> Southern Illinois Region SCCA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:46, John Frymark <jfrymarkoyls at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm surprised nobody mentioned the start. I presume the Lotus had pole 
>>> and
>> controlled the start from the pace car. He just took off and didn't let 
>> the
>> grid form up for the green flag. Maybe probation will allow the "red fog" 
>> to
>> lift, but probably not.
>>>
>>> John Frymark
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 12:50:40 2011
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:50:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Barber video
Message-ID: <1320781840.50808.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

While we are sharing videos. Here is this years race at the beautiful Barber
Motorsports Park in Birmingham, Alabama.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksdV3rdLzHk
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KICAEQJz47Y
 
Mike


From chasgee at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 15:38:23 2011
From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:38:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Nilos hub seal
In-Reply-To: <D289EA66-8418-47E2-8737-95EC6BD77C98@me.com>
References: <C40FEF55-82FC-48E4-A928-1CACE7207CFB@REcatalyst.com>
	<D289EA66-8418-47E2-8737-95EC6BD77C98@me.com>
Message-ID: <8CE6C7E41AC741A-5E8-13963A@Webmail-m119.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Scott,

Take a look at Kas's latest book.  I used these on my GT6 and they work well.
I think Steve Smith also uses them.  Dave Bean Engineering sells the set
(inner and outer seals and other hardware for both sides) for use on Formula
Fords and Lotii.  Just specify the GT6 size when you talk to them.

In case you don't have their contact info, you can find it here:
http://www.davebean.com/

Chuck


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:43 am
Subject: [Fot] Nilos hub seal


Anyone have any experience using these as the inner bearing seal on front
hubs?
'm thinking about using them to replace the felt seals on my GT6 that leak and
all apart every time I disassemble the hubs.
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  9 04:28:36 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:28:36 +0100
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure
References: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com> 
Message-ID: <002001cc9ed2$bb659820$3230c860$@com>

Update:

After the hardening I can report some success!!
The teeth show NO wear anymore.
The contacting surface is glossy polished but no marks of teeth digging
into.

>From my point of view it should be advisable to plasma nitrate harden the
gear wheel to a depth of 0,2 mm.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Oktober 2011 16:10
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure

I would like to give an update:

I did a hardness check on the distributor gear:

HRC 38 to 43 (stock)
After plasma nitrating
48 - 54 HRC

So the surface is now harder and I'll report how the gear will behave.

Cheers
Chris


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Nov  9 06:16:52 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 08:16:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <002001cc9ed2$bb659820$3230c860$@com>
References: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com> 
	<002001cc9ed2$bb659820$3230c860$@com>
Message-ID: <8CE6CF8FADFF473-EE4-1EB9D7@webmail-m153.sysops.aol.com>

 Chris,

Is this OEM gear or aftermarket?....if there is an aftermarket offering.

What about hardening the mating gear?

Great to see the FOT LIST alive with valuable information.





-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 5:50 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure


Update:

After the hardening I can report some success!!
The teeth show NO wear anymore.
The contacting surface is glossy polished but no marks of teeth digging
into.

>From my point of view it should be advisable to plasma nitrate harden the
gear wheel to a depth of 0,2 mm.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Oktober 2011 16:10
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure

I would like to give an update:

I did a hardness check on the distributor gear:

HRC 38 to 43 (stock)
After plasma nitrating
48 - 54 HRC

So the surface is now harder and I'll report how the gear will behave.

Cheers
Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  9 07:29:54 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:29:54 +0100
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <8CE6CF8FADFF473-EE4-1EB9D7@webmail-m153.sysops.aol.com>
References: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com> 
	<002001cc9ed2$bb659820$3230c860$@com>
	<8CE6CF8FADFF473-EE4-1EB9D7@webmail-m153.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <004c01cc9eec$1be93300$53bb9900$@com>

Hi Joe,



it is a stock gear as far I know no aftermarket gear was made til now but
there will be in short future.



The mating gear was hardened too.



The whole story:

I got Larrys cam and let it nitrate harden. Then after each race I checked
the gears and found wear from the first race on.

After the 3H race at the ring I replaced the gear with the hardened one.



Cheers

Chris



Von: n197tr4 at cs.com [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. November 2011 14:17
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure



Chris,

Is this OEM gear or aftermarket?....if there is an aftermarket offering.

What about hardening the mating gear?

Great to see the FOT LIST alive with valuable information.





-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 5:50 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure

Update:

After the hardening I can report some success!!
The teeth show NO wear anymore.
The contacting surface is glossy polished but no marks of teeth digging
into.

>From my point of view it should be advisable to plasma nitrate harden the
gear wheel to a depth of 0,2 mm.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com
<mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com?> ]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Oktober 2011 16:10
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure

I would like to give an update:

I did a hardness check on the distributor gear:

HRC 38 to 43 (stock)
After plasma nitrating
48 - 54 HRC

So the surface is now harder and I'll report how the gear will behave.

Cheers
Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  9 08:47:48 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:47:48 +0100
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <8CE6CF8FADFF473-EE4-1EB9D7@webmail-m153.sysops.aol.com>
References: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com> 
	<002001cc9ed2$bb659820$3230c860$@com>
	<8CE6CF8FADFF473-EE4-1EB9D7@webmail-m153.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <009601cc9ef6$f0da17f0$d28e47d0$@com>

Like a photo?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dH1-jrzKEoY/TrqgElC6XhI/AAAAAAAABDQ/pqko8
X55UGU/s720/DSC02315.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-m8_mK2EWZHw/TrqgMm20cgI/AAAAAAAABDU/wuqdX
U_5zpQ/s720/DSC02316.JPG

 

 

Von: n197tr4 at cs.com [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. November 2011 14:17
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure

 

Chris,

Is this OEM gear or aftermarket?....if there is an aftermarket offering.

What about hardening the mating gear?

Great to see the FOT LIST alive with valuable information.

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 5:50 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure

Update:
 
After the hardening I can report some success!!
The teeth show NO wear anymore.
The contacting surface is glossy polished but no marks of teeth digging
into.
 
>From my point of view it should be advisable to plasma nitrate harden the
gear wheel to a depth of 0,2 mm.
 
Cheers
Chris
 
-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com
<mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com?> ]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Oktober 2011 16:10
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure
 
I would like to give an update:
 
I did a hardness check on the distributor gear:
 
HRC 38 to 43 (stock)
After plasma nitrating
48 - 54 HRC
 
So the surface is now harder and I'll report how the gear will behave.
 
Cheers
Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Nov 10 06:48:54 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:48:54 +0100
Subject: [Fot] funny
In-Reply-To: <6F54ED51-9FA9-4901-A2C4-0062F0A1CBF9@virgin.net>
References: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com>
	<002001cc9ed2$bb659820$3230c860$@com>
	<4A401780-E207-43C6-AB0B-D75567A71BB9@virgin.net>
	<009201cc9ef6$6ff48120$4fdd8360$@com>
	<6F54ED51-9FA9-4901-A2C4-0062F0A1CBF9@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <001d01cc9faf$7eceff90$7c6cfeb0$@com>

Homemade music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfuP6DVOK_0&feature=relmfu

Cheers
Chris 


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 10:05:21 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:05:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] testing
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9NBo3zUc9+x3746XFht1se1Mus2otW-rnQNWibGubHHQA@mail.gmail.com>

1-2-3

-- 
rob deanes
TR Racer


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 05:51:37 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:51:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SCCA Racers
In-Reply-To: <CAP9qD9MWaET3N=DVmTzPFsjH_q3sM3xR06+n7Rjw-isaFC+PpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP9qD9MWaET3N=DVmTzPFsjH_q3sM3xR06+n7Rjw-isaFC+PpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9MC0BCDEnZdNkSUjKRWL=tC9KH356Pgxasbm8OBR6aaxA@mail.gmail.com>

Subject: SCCA Racers

Don't know if any of you get the SCCA SportsCar magazine but there is Sam
Halkias pictures racing in back to back issues...nice shots and Steve
Sargis in his Spitfire with 2011 Triple Crown at Chicago in the new
issue....way to go guys...as someone once said..." the shape of things
still here".....you guys battling in SCCA make me proud in vintage
racing..to know that our cars can still win against the newer cars....keep
up the good work.

 rob deanes
TR-4 Racer




-- 
second sending 10 hrs later


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 17:36:58 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:36:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Racers
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9MWaET3N=DVmTzPFsjH_q3sM3xR06+n7Rjw-isaFC+PpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Don't know if any of you get the SCCA SportsCar magazine but there is Sam
Halkias pictures racing in back to back issues...nice shots and Steve
Sargis in his Spitfire with 2011 Triple Crown at Chicago in the new
issue....way to go guys...as someone once said..." the shape of things
still here".....you guys battling in SCCA make me proud in vintage
racing..to know that our cars can still win against the newer cars....keep
up the good work.

 rob deanes
TR-4 Racer


From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Thu Nov 10 22:18:21 2011
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:18:21 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure
References: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com>
	<002001cc9ed2$bb659820$3230c860$@com>
	<8CE6CF8FADFF473-EE4-1EB9D7@webmail-m153.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <DCB6D1CAF77A4A45899F056A8DDE49DD@your89d26e0447>

Max,
    Did you check the hardness of the gear on the camshaft?
                                                                             
                        Greg Solow 


From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Fri Nov 11 06:08:36 2011
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:08:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <C22F4A3F0AA3EA488D30A42FC8A4817639B22A2977@DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local>

Joe,

Got the Spitfire engine plate but haven't ever got a bill form you to get you
paid. Please send it.
info at dieselperformanceparts.com<mailto:inf0 at dieselperformanceparts.com>
thanks!

Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax

www.dieselperformanceparts.com


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 11 08:42:58 2011
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:42:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] 11.11.11
Message-ID: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

happy Veteran's Day


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Nov 11 08:45:24 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:45:24 +0100
Subject: [Fot] 11.11.11
In-Reply-To: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004101cca088$efd371b0$cf7a5510$@com>

And start of the 5th yearly season....the Carnival season in Germany :-)

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Gesendet: Freitag, 11. November 2011 16:43
An: FOT
Betreff: [Fot] 11.11.11

happy Veteran's Day
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From bownes at seiri.com  Fri Nov 11 08:48:17 2011
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:48:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 11.11.11
In-Reply-To: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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And a thanks to all the veterans.

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>wrote:

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Nov 11 10:16:41 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:16:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] MACAU REPLICA PROJECT IN CANADA
In-Reply-To: <000301cca093$03790040$0a6b00c0$@net>
References: <542c4.56bf3981.3a4a1a5d@cs.com>
	<000301cca093$03790040$0a6b00c0$@net>
Message-ID: <8CE6EACD07EDC8E-122C-24049@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com>

 FOT,

Anyone around the world have any source of parts for a MACAU replica?

A rear alloy wing specifically.

Seems like a worthy project.

Contact information included here.

Joe Alexander





-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Tanguay <tanguay at telus.net>
To: N197TR4 <N197TR4 at cs.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 11, 2011 10:57 am
Subject: RE: A.R.E.   Quote


Hello Joe
It has been an extremely busy year for me and I am sure for you as well.
I am finally getting back to my Macau replica project. Some of my other
alloy panels arrived from the UK in the summer from Canely Classics and
other places.
I am only going to take the alloy panels as far as the outer skin due to the
fact that it is now near impossible to find the firewall and inner structure
in alloy panels anymore. The only exterior panel I am missing is the UK
Driver's side (our passenger side) Rear alloy wing.
I am swapping the driver's side to that of the original Macau, the UK side.

In your travels or your connections would you know of anyone with an extra
rear alloy wing that they would be willing to part with?
Would Kas know anyone either? Please let me know either way so I am not
pestering you.


Kind Regards
Ken Tanguay
574 HAZELWOOD PLACE
QUALICUM BEACH, BC
V9K 1A1
CANADA
Ph: 250 752 1920


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Nov 11 10:21:22 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:21:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: Old Time Motorcycles
Message-ID: <2D1557E65BD94DEFAA2B881606540888@gdhs.local>

Don't know if any of you all are or ever were into motorcycles, but here are
some great pics of historical ones.



John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gene trobaugh [mailto:gene at benchmasterfurniture.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:45 PM
To: 'Dick Raczuk'; 'John Donaldson'; joe at jrramos.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com;
'David Caruso Sr'; garystolz at gmail.com; 'henry fiola'
Subject: FW: Old Time Motorcycles



Some look like art, some look like farm equipment   all of them Historical



G

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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 11 10:44:55 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:44:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Windscreen
Message-ID: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>

Any suggestions for options and sources for a racing windscreen for a
spitfire?

Thanks,

Marty


From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Fri Nov 11 13:58:22 2011
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:58:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 11.11.11
In-Reply-To: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001001cca0b4$a66a17f0$f33e47d0$@net>

The Admiral

You just have to appreciate this one. 
Young people forget that we older people had a career before we retired.....
.

Charley, a new retiree-greeter at Wal-Mart, just couldn't seem to get to
work on time. 
Every day he was 5, 10, 15 minutes late. But he was a good worker, really
tidy, clean-shaven, 
sharp-minded and a real credit to the company and obviously demonstrating
their 
"Older Person Friendly" policies. 

One day the boss called him into the office for a talk. 

"Charley, I have to tell you, I like your work ethic, you do a bang-up job 
when you finally get here; but your being late so often is quite
bothersome."

"Yes, I know boss, and I am working on it." 

"Well good, you are a team player. That's what I like to hear. 

Yes sir, I understand your concern and I will try harder. 

Seeming puzzled, the manager went on to comment, I know you're retired from
the 
Armed Forces. What did they say to you there if you showed up in the morning
late so often?" 

The old man looked down at the floor, then smiled. He chuckled quietly, then
said with a grin, 

"They usually saluted and said, Good morning, Admiral, can I get your
coffee, sir!


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 15:23:56 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:23:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Windscreen
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5305264B-FFBF-4B0E-A248-50967D307F83@aol.com>

I would be interested also.

I know in Kas new book Chuck makes one from lexan and explains how he did it.


On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:44 PM, marty sukey wrote:

> Any suggestions for options and sources for a racing windscreen for a
> spitfire?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Marty
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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> 
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 15:07:45 2011
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:07:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Racing at TWS -- video Nov 2011
In-Reply-To: <001001cca0b4$a66a17f0$f33e47d0$@net>
References: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<001001cca0b4$a66a17f0$f33e47d0$@net>
Message-ID: <16F59E2A-0D5B-407C-B8F7-C0D1EB1D1A9C@gmail.com>

No Triumphs visible, but under that Union Jack on the hood of the Morgan is a
TR lump.

http://tinyurl.com/cq6c83t

Duncan Charlton
Elgin, TX
1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Fri Nov 11 16:19:58 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:19:58 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Windscreen
In-Reply-To: <5305264B-FFBF-4B0E-A248-50967D307F83@aol.com>
References: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>
	<5305264B-FFBF-4B0E-A248-50967D307F83@aol.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F0642DB@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

Ted Schumacher/ TSI used to sell one for the TR6. I think they shared
windscreens for some of the years.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of christopher bock
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:24 PM
To: marty sukey
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Windscreen

I would be interested also.

I know in Kas new book Chuck makes one from lexan and explains how he did it.


On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:44 PM, marty sukey wrote:

> Any suggestions for options and sources for a racing windscreen for a
> spitfire?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marty
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From spitracer1296 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 11 17:42:15 2011
From: spitracer1296 at yahoo.com (chris crisenbery)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:42:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Windshields - For Sale
Message-ID: <1321058535.10345.YahooMailNeo@web113802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I'm a fairly new addition to the FOT and I realize that we aren't here to hock
products, so I will say that I have been building racing Spitfire windshields
for about 20 years.  I don't typically advertise but since this is a special
group of Triumph enthusiasts I will make an exception.
 
I build a Plexiglas
one for race cars.  I've attached a pic of my car so you can see what it looks
like.  I can adjust the height of the windshield from as low as 2" to as high
as 7" measured from a flat surface.  The cowl is radi on the Spit so you do
loose some of the height.  For most Spit applications I sell between 5 and 6
inches.  I believe mine is around 5.5 inches as I mount my wink under it. 
I
can build them in clear and smoke, other colors are possible but Plexiglas in
other colors is getting difficult to find and costs more money.   
Again as I
want to be respectful to the group, please feel free to contact me directly
and let me know if I can be of any assistance. 
Chris Crisenbery
work p/n
(517) 783-0710
home p/n (517) 789-8010

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of spit.jpg]

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of spit windshield.jpg]

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of clear windshield.jpg]


From spitracer1296 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 11 17:46:59 2011
From: spitracer1296 at yahoo.com (chris crisenbery)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:46:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Windshield Pic's
Message-ID: <1321058819.8724.YahooMailNeo@web113802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Woops....looks like you will need to contact me directly if you would like to see pic's....sorry.


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 11 18:27:24 2011
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:27:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] 11.11.11.11
In-Reply-To: <001001cca0b4$a66a17f0$f33e47d0$@net>
References: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<001001cca0b4$a66a17f0$f33e47d0$@net>
Message-ID: <1321061244.86246.YahooMailRC@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My wife ran 11 miles today and left the house at 11:00


The Admiral

You just have to appreciate this one. 
Young people forget that we older people had a career before we retired.....
.

Charley, a new retiree-greeter at Wal-Mart, just couldn't seem to get to
work on time. 
Every day he was 5, 10, 15 minutes late. But he was a good worker, really
tidy, clean-shaven, 
sharp-minded and a real credit to the company and obviously demonstrating
their 
"Older Person Friendly" policies. 

One day the boss called him into the office for a talk. 

"Charley, I have to tell you, I like your work ethic, you do a bang-up job 
when you finally get here; but your being late so often is quite
bothersome."

"Yes, I know boss, and I am working on it." 

"Well good, you are a team player. That's what I like to hear. 

Yes sir, I understand your concern and I will try harder. 

Seeming puzzled, the manager went on to comment, I know you're retired from
the 
Armed Forces. What did they say to you there if you showed up in the morning
late so often?" 

The old man looked down at the floor, then smiled. He chuckled quietly, then
said with a grin, 

"They usually saluted and said, Good morning, Admiral, can I get your
coffee, sir!
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From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Nov 11 19:08:06 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:08:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] 11.11.11.11
References: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><001001cca0b4$a66a17f0$f33e47d0$@net>
	<1321061244.86246.YahooMailRC@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F7A34995A2D24D4E82D75AE68CBB3128@Bud>

Thanks Dennis...A great one!
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis DeLap" <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] 11.11.11.11


> My wife ran 11 miles today and left the house at 11:00
>
>
> The Admiral
>
> You just have to appreciate this one.
> Young people forget that we older people had a career before we 
> retired.....
> .
>
> Charley, a new retiree-greeter at Wal-Mart, just couldn't seem to get to
> work on time.
> Every day he was 5, 10, 15 minutes late. But he was a good worker, really
> tidy, clean-shaven,
> sharp-minded and a real credit to the company and obviously demonstrating
> their
> "Older Person Friendly" policies.
>
> One day the boss called him into the office for a talk.
>
> "Charley, I have to tell you, I like your work ethic, you do a bang-up job
> when you finally get here; but your being late so often is quite
> bothersome."
>
> "Yes, I know boss, and I am working on it."
>
> "Well good, you are a team player. That's what I like to hear.
>
> Yes sir, I understand your concern and I will try harder.
>
> Seeming puzzled, the manager went on to comment, I know you're retired 
> from
> the
> Armed Forces. What did they say to you there if you showed up in the 
> morning
> late so often?"
>
> The old man looked down at the floor, then smiled. He chuckled quietly, 
> then
> said with a grin,
>
> "They usually saluted and said, Good morning, Admiral, can I get your
> coffee, sir!
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>
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Sat Nov 12 08:49:47 2011
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:49:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Windscreen
In-Reply-To: <5305264B-FFBF-4B0E-A248-50967D307F83@aol.com>
References: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>
	<5305264B-FFBF-4B0E-A248-50967D307F83@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EBE959B.9090103@bright.net>

Christopher, we have the molds and make this item.  Smoke color - 
$150+shipping. Ted


On 11/11/2011 5:23 PM, christopher bock wrote:
> I would be interested also.
>
> I know in Kas new book Chuck makes one from lexan and explains how he did it.
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:44 PM, marty sukey wrote:
>
>> Any suggestions for options and sources for a racing windscreen for a
>> spitfire?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Marty
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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>>
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> (609) 319-4322
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-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US&  Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 13 07:00:37 2011
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 06:00:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston
Message-ID: <1321192837.4171.YahooMailRC@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - anyone have a ring set for a single 87mm Mahle piston?

Thanks
Dennis


From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 13 20:32:32 2011
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:32:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CA+1coLi7SOwCdvvm1czSU2uj2tChBQRhRaa-yFVfceSiBkY9VQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT120-W256AB7CEF31F3DBA52483DFD80@phx.gbl>
	<CA+1coLi8U5gviAGUb8FLT1xk3C3bomqOXuknHB3yqNbimbxR4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+1coLi7SOwCdvvm1czSU2uj2tChBQRhRaa-yFVfceSiBkY9VQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1321241552.310.YahooMailRC@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just got around to watching the video posted last Monday. I completely agree the 
Lotus was in the wrong in failing to leave racing room and would likely have 
received a well-deserved 13/13 in any organization with which I am familiar. 
Most racing organizations have a squirrel list which is shared among clubs, and 
honor each other's probations. 


Gary Schneider
EP 37 TR4
Midwestern Council Chief Steward



________________________________
From: dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, November 7, 2011 3:57:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Hi all,

The driver was Denny Wilson. Stewards ruled in my favor and he was put on
probation. Thanks for the comments.

- Dick


From fpspitfire at comcast.net  Fri Nov 11 10:59:37 2011
From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (Aaron Johnson)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:59:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Windscreen
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8B489F66-55CD-4648-9570-C2E5E213313F@comcast.net>

Try Chris crissenberry.  He's on here I think.  Or ted schumaker

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 11, 2011, at 11:44, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Any suggestions for options and sources for a racing windscreen for a
> spitfire?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marty
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 03:21:34 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 05:21:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Windscreen
In-Reply-To: <4EBE959B.9090103@bright.net>
References: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>
	<5305264B-FFBF-4B0E-A248-50967D307F83@aol.com>
	<4EBE959B.9090103@bright.net>
Message-ID: <45875CA5-2ED6-4B1E-987C-4A26E1EC197C@aol.com>

I want to thank everyone who replied. Thanks to you I found what I Was looking
for.

Thank you

Chris

On Nov 12, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Ted Schumacher <tedtsimx at bright.net> wrote:

> Christopher, we have the molds and make this item.  Smoke color -
$150+shipping. Ted
>
>
> On 11/11/2011 5:23 PM, christopher bock wrote:
>> I would be interested also.
>>
>> I know in Kas new book Chuck makes one from lexan and explains how he did
it.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:44 PM, marty sukey wrote:
>>
>>> Any suggestions for options and sources for a racing windscreen for a
>>> spitfire?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Marty
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>
>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>> Christopher Bock
>> www.SeaCubeCo.com
>> SeaCubeCo at aol.com
>> (609) 319-4322
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
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>
>
> --
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Nov 14 09:05:30 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:05:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MC pics
Message-ID: <2A26698238B8408DACE4986134BE889F@gdhs.local>

Sorry, but apparently one cannot attach pics to this site.  If anyone would
like to see the classic motorcycle pics I wrote about last week, just
contact me outside and I'll be happy to forward them....

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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Nov 14 11:41:35 2011
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:41:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] 4.1 R&P
In-Reply-To: <1084680094.1902324.1321295955820.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <589233222.1902525.1321296095078.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hello all, 
Does anyone by chance have a good usable 4.1 ring and pinion that they would be to part with? 
Thanks, 
Dave H. 


From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Nov 14 11:44:07 2011
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:44:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR 4.1 R&P
In-Reply-To: <1648460946.1902628.1321296202287.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <189970916.1902705.1321296247277.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I forgot to mention that the ring and pinion is needed for a TR. 


Thanks again, 
Dave 


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Mon Nov 14 11:54:37 2011
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:54:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 oil consumption issue during break in
In-Reply-To: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F02D930@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
References: <SNT134-W27DA95BA47381F57D25061900A0@phx.gbl>,
	<639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F02D930@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <SNT134-W56A2A0F24E044176EB58FF90C00@phx.gbl>

I know you have all been on the edge of your seats wondering if I was ever
going to figure out what was wrong with my engine and here's the latest
theory.  First, I thought it was the guides, because they were not replaced.
I bought new guides and took them to the machine shop and confronted them.
They disassembled the head and proved to me the guides were good and in the
process I learned how the guides are measured and that I should trust my
machinist more.  So I went home and took out the pistons and returned to the
machine shop where he then showed me that the ends of the "oil control ring
expander" should not be overlapped one notch, but rather butt together so the
oil control rings can function properly.

So now all I have to do is go home and reassemble everything and see if it
works.  Probably will.

Hopefully someone else will learn from my mistake, and I'm glad I didn't break
down and give my engine the big Bon Ami douche treatment.

Cheers Henry Morrison Cedar Crest, NM


>
> Was the block bored, or honed and checked for taper? If the rings didn't
seat it may be too late. Look for the cause of the rings not seating or it
will happen again. Bores freshened up with brush hones often have too much
taper and allow blow by. On racing engines I use WD40 to lube the
rings/pistons for install. I wipe oil on the bores and make sure I have oil
pressure before starting. I want the rings to seat right away.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Southern Construction Inventory Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-687-7422 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
>
>
> Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden
> Subject: [Fot] TR6 oil consumption issue during break in
>
> Well, yeah, I did measure the end gaps on the rings. All were within the
> specifications. The compression numbers when I checked them after 100 or so
miles were low (90 lbs at 7000 ft.) but even. The rings came on the pistons
and were black in color, looked like they had been plated black.
>
> I don't think that I broke any of the rings on installation.
>
> The machine shop told me the guides were OK when I probed them as to why
they didn't ask to replace them additionally they said if they were shot, the
car would still not use that much oil.
>
> I may strike out at the engine physically and violently if I have to
re-rebuild it.
>
> Cheers Henry Morrison
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From rwestfall at ymail.com  Mon Nov 14 12:46:44 2011
From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:46:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Drivers side door
Message-ID: <1321300004.14343.YahooMailClassic@web59911.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

AmiciI am in need of a drivers side door for my TR4A, the one I have was cut
up by the infamous previous owner and I would like to replace it with as good
a 


From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Mon Nov 14 12:51:57 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:51:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 oil consumption issue during break in
References: <SNT134-W27DA95BA47381F57D25061900A0@phx.gbl>,
	<639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F02D930@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
	<SNT134-W56A2A0F24E044176EB58FF90C00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AB825623B6E546989AE77E72443003C7@owner8914bbf7f>

Hi, be sure and stagger the end gaps on the other solid oil control rings 
also. The ones on top and bottom of the expander.
Plus stagger the top 2 rings.
Good luck, Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Henry Morrison" <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 oil consumption issue during break in


>I know you have all been on the edge of your seats wondering if I was ever
> going to figure out what was wrong with my engine and here's the latest
> theory.  First, I thought it was the guides, because they were not 
> replaced.
> I bought new guides and took them to the machine shop and confronted them.
> They disassembled the head and proved to me the guides were good and in 
> the
> process I learned how the guides are measured and that I should trust my
> machinist more.  So I went home and took out the pistons and returned to 
> the
> machine shop where he then showed me that the ends of the "oil control 
> ring
> expander" should not be overlapped one notch, but rather butt together so 
> the
> oil control rings can function properly.
>
> So now all I have to do is go home and reassemble everything and see if it
> works.  Probably will.
>
> Hopefully someone else will learn from my mistake, and I'm glad I didn't 
> break
> down and give my engine the big Bon Ami douche treatment.
>
> Cheers Henry Morrison Cedar Crest, NM
>
>
>>
>> Was the block bored, or honed and checked for taper? If the rings didn't
> seat it may be too late. Look for the cause of the rings not seating or it
> will happen again. Bores freshened up with brush hones often have too much
> taper and allow blow by. On racing engines I use WD40 to lube the
> rings/pistons for install. I wipe oil on the bores and make sure I have 
> oil
> pressure before starting. I want the rings to seat right away.
>>
>> Bob Kramer
>> Southern Construction Inventory Manager
>> RDO Equipment Company
>> 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660
>> 512-687-7422 Office
>> 512-657-8526 Cell
>>
>>
>> Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things 
>> turn
> out. ~John Wooden
>> Subject: [Fot] TR6 oil consumption issue during break in
>>
>> Well, yeah, I did measure the end gaps on the rings. All were within the
>> specifications. The compression numbers when I checked them after 100 or 
>> so
> miles were low (90 lbs at 7000 ft.) but even. The rings came on the 
> pistons
> and were black in color, looked like they had been plated black.
>>
>> I don't think that I broke any of the rings on installation.
>>
>> The machine shop told me the guides were OK when I probed them as to why
> they didn't ask to replace them additionally they said if they were shot, 
> the
> car would still not use that much oil.
>>
>> I may strike out at the engine physically and violently if I have to
> re-rebuild it.
>>
>> Cheers Henry Morrison
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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>>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Nov 14 13:54:37 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:54:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Drivers side door
In-Reply-To: <1321300004.14343.YahooMailClassic@web59911.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <1321300004.14343.YahooMailClassic@web59911.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CE7126C187171B-738-4CE0F@Webmail-d116.sysops.aol.com>

i have a couple of them.

both sides

very good condition.

how do we get together on this?







-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Westfall <rwestfall at ymail.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:08 pm
Subject: [Fot] Drivers side door


AmiciI am in need of a drivers side door for my TR4A, the one I have was cut
up by the infamous previous owner and I would like to replace it with as good
a
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From rwestfall at ymail.com  Mon Nov 14 14:48:54 2011
From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:48:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Door
Message-ID: <1321307334.24158.YahooMailClassic@web59909.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Oops, I guess part of my post about a drivers door didn't make it, I'm in
Minneapolis Mn. 


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Nov 14 15:27:23 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:27:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Door
In-Reply-To: <1321307334.24158.YahooMailClassic@web59909.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <1321307334.24158.YahooMailClassic@web59909.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CE7133B654EF72-738-4E345@Webmail-d116.sysops.aol.com>

 I do have a few doors I can let loose of.....Russ has first right of refusal
on the driver's door.

Joe Alexander





-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Westfall <rwestfall at ymail.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 4:19 pm
Subject: [Fot] Door


Oops, I guess part of my post about a drivers door didn't make it, I'm in
Minneapolis Mn.
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Nov 14 16:03:11 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:03:11 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Door
In-Reply-To: <8CE7133B654EF72-738-4E345@Webmail-d116.sysops.aol.com>
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	<8CE7133B654EF72-738-4E345@Webmail-d116.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F06572A@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

And when you run out I have a row of them, but mostly TR6.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 4:27 PM
To: rwestfall at ymail.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Door

 I do have a few doors I can let loose of.....Russ has first right of refusal
on the driver's door.

Joe Alexander





-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Westfall <rwestfall at ymail.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 4:19 pm
Subject: [Fot] Door


Oops, I guess part of my post about a drivers door didn't make it, I'm in
Minneapolis Mn.
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Nov 14 16:21:44 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:21:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Door   FOT SWAP MEET AT ROAD ATLANTA?
In-Reply-To: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F06572A@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
References: <1321307334.24158.YahooMailClassic@web59909.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><8CE7133B654EF72-738-4E345@Webmail-d116.sysops.aol.com>
	<639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F06572A@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <8CE713B4E89E5F8-738-4EBB4@Webmail-d116.sysops.aol.com>

 there seems to be no shortage of doors....in this case Russ is only a couple
of hours and we will be able to get together to our mutual benefit.

now subject change    FOT SWAP MEET AT ROAD ATLANTA

at TOPEKA we had an FOT SWAP meet that worked out pretty good for folks.

we should plan this at ROAD ATLANTA........it would need a volunteer to
organize it.

we recently got a shirt coordinator volunteer....there will be a more formal
announcement later.

FOT SWAP MEET might only be throwing big ugly lumps in a pile with a well
written tag.

Sure beats packaging and shipping big ugly lumps.

APPROVALS must go through EVENT CHAIRMAN HENRY FRYE





-----Original Message-----
From: Kramer, Robert <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>
To: n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>; rwestfall <rwestfall at ymail.com>; fot
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 5:03 pm
Subject: RE: [Fot] Door


And when you run out I have a row of them, but mostly TR6.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 4:27 PM
To: rwestfall at ymail.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Door

 I do have a few doors I can let loose of.....Russ has first right of refusal
on
the driver's door.

Joe Alexander





-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Westfall <rwestfall at ymail.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 4:19 pm
Subject: [Fot] Door


Oops, I guess part of my post about a drivers door didn't make it, I'm in
Minneapolis Mn.
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 14 17:02:51 2011
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:02:51 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire caliper bracket
Message-ID: <9627425.1321315371053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi I am in need of early Spitfire caliper brackets I need a left and a right.  thanks  Joe

Chequered Flag Racing .net
Joseph P. Siam
9833 Deering Ave unit I
Chatsworth Ca 91311
818 350 6222


From koblinger at verizon.net  Mon Nov 14 17:44:45 2011
From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:44:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire caliper bracket
Message-ID: <6778752.218480.1321317885093.JavaMail.root@vznit170116>



From igofaster at att.net  Tue Nov 15 18:57:13 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:57:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Eagles Canyon Toy Run
Message-ID: <1321408633.58656.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Linda Cook is opening her track up for a Toy Run for a day of track time. Linda 
is a really sweet gal and she's pumped a lot of money into Eagles Canyon Raceway 
here in North Texas. If any Triumph or otherwise guys would like a track day for 
a small gift, a food bank offering, and $50 cash, it would be a swell treat in 
any regard.
December 10, 2011. Check out Eagles Canyon website.
Not to be too snobby, I will probably thrash around my Miata for cheap $$$ fun 
and speed...

Road Atlanta is on the mind of several Texas Triumph guys this coming year.. 
holla!

Bobby Whitehead....


From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 11:05:00 2011
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:05:00 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Eagles Canyon Toy Run
In-Reply-To: <1321408633.58656.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1321408633.58656.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNCwQdD7bgvT6s_pgUN2DoAmo5SYH1PgSMmaWi9VmiH_7w@mail.gmail.com>

Bobby and FOT,
I am hoping to make the Mitty/Kas cup this year in my '69 TR6 [well, I will
trailer it down].  I live in the Seattle area and am retired.  My plan is
to leave about the 1st of April and hit a few racing circuits/races on the
way [route is probably down through So Cal then south across the sun belt].

I am interested as to what events may be happening in that time frame and
route. Please advise if you have information about vintage racing
opportuites then.

Thanks,

Chuck

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net> wrote:

> Linda Cook is opening her track up for a Toy Run for a day of track time.
> Linda
> is a really sweet gal and she's pumped a lot of money into Eagles Canyon
> Raceway
> here in North Texas. If any Triumph or otherwise guys would like a track
> day for
> a small gift, a food bank offering, and $50 cash, it would be a swell
> treat in
> any regard.
> December 10, 2011. Check out Eagles Canyon website.
> Not to be too snobby, I will probably thrash around my Miata for cheap $$$
> fun
> and speed...
>
> Road Atlanta is on the mind of several Texas Triumph guys this coming
> year..
> holla!
>
> Bobby Whitehead....
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 19:51:02 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:51:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Simeone Museum wins major award
References: <01f101cca4d0$9a49c360$cedd4a20$@net>
Message-ID: <096A9FFB-0FA0-4F99-B5D7-742A0C485E2A@aol.com>

This is in Philadelphia pa. It is a very neat museum and  I am proud to say I
have been there and I couldn't contain my joy.

Chris

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Pete Bahr" <peteb01 at comcast.net>
> Date: November 16, 2011 9:28:32 PM EST
> To: <bmcsnjmembers at lists.british-steel.org>
> Subject: Simeone Museum wins major award
>

> Since many BMC members have attended the museum, I thought you all would be
interested in this prestigious award.
> Pete Bahr
>
>  ==============   ===============
>
> From: Simeone Museum [mailto:amanda at simeonemuseum.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:59 PM
> To: peteb01 at comcast.net
> Subject: WE WON!!!
>
>
>
> WE WON!!!
>
> THE SIMEONE FOUNDATION AUTOMOTIVE MUSEUM NAMED INTERNATIONAL "MUSEUM OF THE
YEAR"
>
> Dr. Simeone just called from the International Historic Motoring Awards
dinner in London to tell us we have been selected as bMuseum of the Year.b
The judging panel included such noted figures as TV host Jay Leno, vintage car
racer and Pink Floyd drummer Nick Mason, Pebble Beach Chief Judge Ed
Gilbertson, five times Le Mans winner Derek Bell and Lady Susie Moss, wife of
racing icon Sir Stirling Moss, among others.
> The other museums that were considered were the National Motor Museum of
England and the Jaguar Heritage Museum in the UK, the Peterson Museum in Los
Angeles, and the Auto Museum Prototyp in Germany.
>
> bThis is an enormous honor for the Simeone Automotive Museum, especially
considering the quality of the other institutions that were considered,b
said Executive Director Fred Simeone. bThese are the very best automotive
museums in the world and we were humbled just to be considered. To actually
win was beyond our wildest dreams. This award is the greatest international
recognition to which an automotive museum can aspire.b
>
> The results were announced at a black-tie ceremony at Londonbs Renaissance
Hotel at St. Pancras on November 16th.
>
> The Simeone Foundation Automotive Museum, located near the Philadelphia
international Airport, is a 501(c)3 non-profit corporation and encompasses
many of the most significant racing sports cars ever built. The museum opened
in 2008 and since then has been internationally recognized for the quality of
the collectionbs automobiles, and the instructive nature of the displays.
All of the cars have important historic meaning in the development of sports
car road racing, from its beginnings to the 1970s. The museum has been
profiled in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and a variety of
automotive publications.
>
> Other notables on the judging committee included, Horst Bruning, president
of the International Federation of Veteran Automobiles, Ian Callum, design
director of Jaguar Cars, Duncan Wiltshire, Chairman of Motor Racing Legends,
Robert Coucher, international editor of Octane magazine, Peter Stevens,
designer of McLaren F1, and Simon Kidston, international car consultant and
commentator.
>
> From everyone here at the museum, thank you to our volunteers, friends and
everyone who has worked to help make Dr. Simeone's vision a reality. This is
an award we can all share!


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov 17 08:22:59 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:22:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Eagles Canyon Toy Run
In-Reply-To: <CAMc4sNCwQdD7bgvT6s_pgUN2DoAmo5SYH1PgSMmaWi9VmiH_7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1321408633.58656.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CAMc4sNCwQdD7bgvT6s_pgUN2DoAmo5SYH1PgSMmaWi9VmiH_7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CE7353EC88DC0B-93C-8AFD2@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com>

 I think Road America could be an option on the return.

That would be cool to run Road Atlanta and Road America back to back.

A visit to Barber Motorsports Park is in order....what a tribute to road
racing, with an incredible motorsports museum with both motorcycles and cars.

Make no mistake....The 10th Running of the Kastner Cup is going to be EPIC.





-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley <triosan at gmail.com>
To: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>; Friends <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Eagles Canyon Toy Run


Bobby and FOT,
I am hoping to make the Mitty/Kas cup this year in my '69 TR6 [well, I will
trailer it down].  I live in the Seattle area and am retired.  My plan is
to leave about the 1st of April and hit a few racing circuits/races on the
way [route is probably down through So Cal then south across the sun belt].

I am interested as to what events may be happening in that time frame and
route. Please advise if you have information about vintage racing
opportuites then.

Thanks,

Chuck

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net> wrote:

> Linda Cook is opening her track up for a Toy Run for a day of track time.
> Linda
> is a really sweet gal and she's pumped a lot of money into Eagles Canyon
> Raceway
> here in North Texas. If any Triumph or otherwise guys would like a track
> day for
> a small gift, a food bank offering, and $50 cash, it would be a swell
> treat in
> any regard.
> December 10, 2011. Check out Eagles Canyon website.
> Not to be too snobby, I will probably thrash around my Miata for cheap $$$
> fun
> and speed...
>
> Road Atlanta is on the mind of several Texas Triumph guys this coming
> year..
> holla!
>
> Bobby Whitehead....
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Thu Nov 17 09:02:13 2011
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:02:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Simeone Museum wins major award
In-Reply-To: <096A9FFB-0FA0-4F99-B5D7-742A0C485E2A@aol.com>
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I, also, visited the Simeone Museum shortly after it opened. What a truly
wonderful experience.
If you attend make sure to allow enough time, I'd say 4 hours are needed to
appreciate this great collection.
Walt Hollowell
Abq., NM

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of christopher bock
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 7:51 PM
To: FoTTriumph
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Simeone Museum wins major award

This is in Philadelphia pa. It is a very neat museum and  I am proud to say
I have been there and I couldn't contain my joy.

Chris

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Pete Bahr" <peteb01 at comcast.net>
> Date: November 16, 2011 9:28:32 PM EST
> To: <bmcsnjmembers at lists.british-steel.org>
> Subject: Simeone Museum wins major award
>

> Since many BMC members have attended the museum, I thought you all
> would be
interested in this prestigious award.
> Pete Bahr
>
>  ==============   ===============
>
> From: Simeone Museum [mailto:amanda at simeonemuseum.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:59 PM
> To: peteb01 at comcast.net
> Subject: WE WON!!!
>
>
>
> WE WON!!!
>
> THE SIMEONE FOUNDATION AUTOMOTIVE MUSEUM NAMED INTERNATIONAL "MUSEUM
> OF THE
YEAR"
>
> Dr. Simeone just called from the International Historic Motoring
> Awards
dinner in London to tell us we have been selected as bMuseum of the Year.b
The judging panel included such noted figures as TV host Jay Leno, vintage
car racer and Pink Floyd drummer Nick Mason, Pebble Beach Chief Judge Ed
Gilbertson, five times Le Mans winner Derek Bell and Lady Susie Moss, wife
of racing icon Sir Stirling Moss, among others.
> The other museums that were considered were the National Motor Museum
> of
England and the Jaguar Heritage Museum in the UK, the Peterson Museum in Los
Angeles, and the Auto Museum Prototyp in Germany.
>
> bThis is an enormous honor for the Simeone Automotive Museum,
> especially
considering the quality of the other institutions that were considered,b
said Executive Director Fred Simeone. bThese are the very best automotive
museums in the world and we were humbled just to be considered. To actually
win was beyond our wildest dreams. This award is the greatest international
recognition to which an automotive museum can aspire.b
>
> The results were announced at a black-tie ceremony at Londonbs
> Renaissance
Hotel at St. Pancras on November 16th.
>
> The Simeone Foundation Automotive Museum, located near the
> Philadelphia
international Airport, is a 501(c)3 non-profit corporation and encompasses
many of the most significant racing sports cars ever built. The museum
opened in 2008 and since then has been internationally recognized for the
quality of the collectionbs automobiles, and the instructive nature of the
displays.
All of the cars have important historic meaning in the development of sports
car road racing, from its beginnings to the 1970s. The museum has been
profiled in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and a variety of
automotive publications.
>
> Other notables on the judging committee included, Horst Bruning,
> president
of the International Federation of Veteran Automobiles, Ian Callum, design
director of Jaguar Cars, Duncan Wiltshire, Chairman of Motor Racing Legends,
Robert Coucher, international editor of Octane magazine, Peter Stevens,
designer of McLaren F1, and Simon Kidston, international car consultant and
commentator.
>
> From everyone here at the museum, thank you to our volunteers, friends
> and
everyone who has worked to help make Dr. Simeone's vision a reality. This is
an award we can all share!
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Nov 18 07:53:32 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:53:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] GT6  FLYWHEEL WANTED
Message-ID: <8CE7418F97AA6E5-1E14-96E8A@webmail-d057.sysops.aol.com>

stock or used aftermarket flywheel for a friend working on his GT6.

I assume that the GT6 is different than a TR6?

anyone out there have one?

thanks!

joe a


From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Fri Nov 18 11:36:27 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:36:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hutchens Rage Hybrid reviews
Message-ID: <CALsVEtA5bf4dukSNsMmY6pbmpvNfZhicw2ed_2ETQgNJNAmgJw@mail.gmail.com>

I've been told that I will get a head/neck protection device for Christmas,
but I have to decide which one.  It seems that most folks are using the
HANS device, but I'm curious if any FOTers are using the Rage Hybrid.
These are also approved for SCCA use and claim to have better side impact
protection than the HANS, as well as being more comfortable.  If anyone is
using one of these please let me know how you like it.  Thanks, Don


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Nov 18 12:24:26 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:24:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: [CMSHG] Mosport construction details
In-Reply-To: <4EC3D924.1010504@rogers.com>
References: <4EC3D924.1010504@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <001e01cca627$afc76f00$0f564d00$@rogers.com>

Here is a message that I got on another forum. Details of improvements being
made at Mosport.

 

Paul

 

 

--------------------------------------------

 

  

For those of you who don't partake of Facebook, here is my story today in
Autoblog Canada about the construction details to date at Mosport. Lots of
photos included!

 
<http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/11/16/new-tunnel-marks-the-beginning-of-a-new-e
ra-for-mosport/> http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/11/16/ne...a-for-mosport/ 

-- 
Have a great day,
 
Gary Grant
 
Contributor
Autoblog Canada
 
Publisher
thegarageblog.com
 
Member International Motor Press Association
Member American Racing Press Association

__._,_.___


From jason at multivintage.com  Fri Nov 18 14:11:15 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:11:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Hutchens Rage Hybrid reviews
In-Reply-To: <CALsVEtA5bf4dukSNsMmY6pbmpvNfZhicw2ed_2ETQgNJNAmgJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALsVEtA5bf4dukSNsMmY6pbmpvNfZhicw2ed_2ETQgNJNAmgJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALCydYrCmb0gyL6z3ZRxywkz2D__ObBfeMNZO68LGsSA6OVopQ@mail.gmail.com>

Don,
To one of your points about comfort-
I too had heard a Hans device was uncomfortable and was concerned about
that initially.
However, I can say quite confidently that once strapped in...you do not
even notice it.
I like the Hans, but haven't tried any of the others.

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Don Marshall <donmarshall at nefcom.net>wrote:

> I've been told that I will get a head/neck protection device for Christmas,
> but I have to decide which one.  It seems that most folks are using the
> HANS device, but I'm curious if any FOTers are using the Rage Hybrid.
> These are also approved for SCCA use and claim to have better side impact
> protection than the HANS, as well as being more comfortable.  If anyone is
> using one of these please let me know how you like it.  Thanks, Don
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Nov 18 16:58:35 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:58:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: [CMSHG] Mosport construction details
In-Reply-To: <001e01cca627$afc76f00$0f564d00$@rogers.com>
References: <4EC3D924.1010504@rogers.com>
	<001e01cca627$afc76f00$0f564d00$@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <002f01cca64d$fd606f70$f8214e50$@rogers.com>

http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/11/16/new-tunnel-marks-the-beginning-of-a-new-er
a-for-mosport/



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Paul MacDonald
Sent: November 18, 2011 2:24 PM
To: Fot
Subject: [Fot] FW: [CMSHG] Mosport construction details

Here is a message that I got on another forum. Details of improvements being
made at Mosport.

 

Paul

 

 

--------------------------------------------

 

  

For those of you who don't partake of Facebook, here is my story today in
Autoblog Canada about the construction details to date at Mosport. Lots of
photos included!

 
<http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/11/16/new-tunnel-marks-the-beginning-of-a-new-e
ra-for-mosport/> http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/11/16/ne...a-for-mosport/ 

--
Have a great day,
 
Gary Grant
 
Contributor
Autoblog Canada
 
Publisher
thegarageblog.com
 
Member International Motor Press Association Member American Racing Press
Association

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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 18 19:09:27 2011
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:09:27 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Hutchens Rage Hybrid reviews
In-Reply-To: <CALsVEtA5bf4dukSNsMmY6pbmpvNfZhicw2ed_2ETQgNJNAmgJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALsVEtA5bf4dukSNsMmY6pbmpvNfZhicw2ed_2ETQgNJNAmgJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <835327F0-7BB6-41DC-A82D-AD9D53F02B46@earthlink.net>

I have the Hans and it's great.  World champion Sebastian Vettel and  
ALL the other F1 drivers wear it.  They go a little faster than we do.

~Steve



On Nov 18, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Don Marshall wrote:

I've been told that I will get a head/neck protection device for  
Christmas,
but I have to decide which one.  It seems that most folks are using the
HANS device, but I'm curious if any FOTers are using the Rage Hybrid.
These are also approved for SCCA use and claim to have better side  
impact
protection than the HANS, as well as being more comfortable.  If  
anyone is
using one of these please let me know how you like it.  Thanks, Don
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Nov 18 20:57:44 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 21:57:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
Message-ID: <20111119035758.EB249187868@autox.team.net>

Looks like the Austin Tx Grand Prix is in trouble:
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-gives-austin-until-next-week-to-save-us-gp

Tony


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 21:14:07 2011
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 22:14:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Wire wheel balancing shop in San Antonio?
Message-ID: <7C61F543-C75F-44BE-987E-B5F9DF31A496@gmail.com>

A traveling friend is passing through San Antonio tomorrow and desperately
wants to get his wheels rebalanced before continuing up to Washington State in
his Morgan.  Does anyone know of a wire wheel balancing shop in San Antonio?

Thanks --
Duncan Charlton
Elgin, TX


From jibjib at att.net  Fri Nov 18 22:25:35 2011
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 21:25:35 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Wire wheel balancing shop in San Antonio?
In-Reply-To: <7C61F543-C75F-44BE-987E-B5F9DF31A496@gmail.com>
References: <7C61F543-C75F-44BE-987E-B5F9DF31A496@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <767358515FF74345BD70C1EA4653AF4C@EntCentPC>

If he makes it to Washington State, my local tire shop has the rudge adapter
and can handle the job. 

My suggestion is to call every tire shop in town.  I never thought my local
shop could do it, but the owners have been around for a while and still had
the right parts kicking around.

Jack, just SE of Seattle

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Duncan Charlton
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:14 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Wire wheel balancing shop in San Antonio?

A traveling friend is passing through San Antonio tomorrow and desperately
wants to get his wheels rebalanced before continuing up to Washington State
in
his Morgan.  Does anyone know of a wire wheel balancing shop in San Antonio?

Thanks --
Duncan Charlton
Elgin, TX
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Nov 19 05:06:39 2011
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 07:06:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
In-Reply-To: <20111119035758.EB249187868@autox.team.net>
References: <20111119035758.EB249187868@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <BAY164-ds80676CE2B7A3FB4436966C3C50@phx.gbl>

Is this really a surprise?

My old time SCCA buddies have been discussing this for a week or so now.

To put it bluntly, until a real, established, BIG TIME NAME in American
industry, coupled with a professional, established promoter of a successful
American road racing series
gets in the act, (Not the SCCA BTW), there will never be a solid US GP.

Formula One is the biggest of the big leagues, and frankly, when it come to
road racing, we are just a farm club now a days.  It did not used to be this
way.  Anyone remember the real CAN AM or original IMSA series?

Terry Stetler
  ----- Original Message -----
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  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:57 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1


  Looks like the Austin Tx Grand Prix is in trouble:
  http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-gives-austin-until-nex
t-week-to-save-us-gp<http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-giv
es-austin-until-next-week-to-save-us-gp>

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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sat Nov 19 06:53:07 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 08:53:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
References: <20111119035758.EB249187868@autox.team.net>
	<BAY164-ds80676CE2B7A3FB4436966C3C50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <511F7B8B72D0424AB2F38100FD3A1CE0@owner8914bbf7f>

Terry, don't forget Trans Am from the 60"s/70's.
I lost interest in F1 years ago. It seems to be all about money, glitz, 
money, glitter, money, bling, money, beautiful people, and of course, much 
more money.
I loved F1 when Bernie owned Brabham, but those days are long gone. Sad to 
say.
I'll spend my money going to vintage events at RA, WG, etc, where you can 
actually see the old cars and talk to the drivers.
Scarey; I'm starting to talk like a gnarley old coot!
Peace my friends.
Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terry Stetler" <tlizzard at msn.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1


> Is this really a surprise?
>
> My old time SCCA buddies have been discussing this for a week or so now.
>
> To put it bluntly, until a real, established, BIG TIME NAME in American
> industry, coupled with a professional, established promoter of a 
> successful
> American road racing series
> gets in the act, (Not the SCCA BTW), there will never be a solid US GP.
>
> Formula One is the biggest of the big leagues, and frankly, when it come 
> to
> road racing, we are just a farm club now a days.  It did not used to be 
> this
> way.  Anyone remember the real CAN AM or original IMSA series?
>
> Terry Stetler
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Tony Drews<mailto:tony at tonydrews.com>
>  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:57 PM
>  Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
>
>
>  Looks like the Austin Tx Grand Prix is in trouble:
> 
> http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-gives-austin-until-nex
> t-week-to-save-us-gp<http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-giv
> es-austin-until-next-week-to-save-us-gp>
>
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 19 09:56:44 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:56:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Simeone Museum wins major award
In-Reply-To: <096A9FFB-0FA0-4F99-B5D7-742A0C485E2A@aol.com>
References: <01f101cca4d0$9a49c360$cedd4a20$@net>,
	<096A9FFB-0FA0-4F99-B5D7-742A0C485E2A@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU160-W31F8646386DC46C3F9BBD3BAC50@phx.gbl>

hmmmmph, obviously none of those judges have been to Snook's Dream Cars!   :)
Marty
 > From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com
> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:51:02 -0500
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Simeone Museum wins major award
>
> This is in Philadelphia pa. It is a very neat museum and  I am proud to say
I
> have been there and I couldn't contain my joy.
>
> Chris
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: "Pete Bahr" <peteb01 at comcast.net>
> > Date: November 16, 2011 9:28:32 PM EST
> > To: <bmcsnjmembers at lists.british-steel.org>
> > Subject: Simeone Museum wins major award
> >
>
> > Since many BMC members have attended the museum, I thought you all would
be
> interested in this prestigious award.
> > Pete Bahr
> >
> >  ==============   ===============
> >
> > From: Simeone Museum [mailto:amanda at simeonemuseum.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:59 PM
> > To: peteb01 at comcast.net
> > Subject: WE WON!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > WE WON!!!
> >
> > THE SIMEONE FOUNDATION AUTOMOTIVE MUSEUM NAMED INTERNATIONAL "MUSEUM OF
THE
> YEAR"
> >
> > Dr. Simeone just called from the International Historic Motoring Awards
> dinner in London to tell us we have been selected as bMuseum of the
Year.b
> The judging panel included such noted figures as TV host Jay Leno, vintage
car
> racer and Pink Floyd drummer Nick Mason, Pebble Beach Chief Judge Ed
> Gilbertson, five times Le Mans winner Derek Bell and Lady Susie Moss, wife
of
> racing icon Sir Stirling Moss, among others.
> > The other museums that were considered were the National Motor Museum of
> England and the Jaguar Heritage Museum in the UK, the Peterson Museum in
Los
> Angeles, and the Auto Museum Prototyp in Germany.
> >
> > bThis is an enormous honor for the Simeone Automotive Museum, especially
> considering the quality of the other institutions that were considered,b
> said Executive Director Fred Simeone. bThese are the very best automotive
> museums in the world and we were humbled just to be considered. To actually
> win was beyond our wildest dreams. This award is the greatest international
> recognition to which an automotive museum can aspire.b
> >
> > The results were announced at a black-tie ceremony at Londonbs
Renaissance
> Hotel at St. Pancras on November 16th.
> >
> > The Simeone Foundation Automotive Museum, located near the Philadelphia
> international Airport, is a 501(c)3 non-profit corporation and encompasses
> many of the most significant racing sports cars ever built. The museum
opened
> in 2008 and since then has been internationally recognized for the quality
of
> the collectionbs automobiles, and the instructive nature of the displays.
> All of the cars have important historic meaning in the development of
sports
> car road racing, from its beginnings to the 1970s. The museum has been
> profiled in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and a variety of
> automotive publications.
> >
> > Other notables on the judging committee included, Horst Bruning,
president
> of the International Federation of Veteran Automobiles, Ian Callum, design
> director of Jaguar Cars, Duncan Wiltshire, Chairman of Motor Racing
Legends,
> Robert Coucher, international editor of Octane magazine, Peter Stevens,
> designer of McLaren F1, and Simon Kidston, international car consultant and
> commentator.
> >
> > From everyone here at the museum, thank you to our volunteers, friends
and
> everyone who has worked to help make Dr. Simeone's vision a reality. This
is
> an award we can all share!
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Nov 19 10:32:32 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:32:32 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Wire wheel balancing shop in San Antonio?
In-Reply-To: <7C61F543-C75F-44BE-987E-B5F9DF31A496@gmail.com>
References: <7C61F543-C75F-44BE-987E-B5F9DF31A496@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <029801cca6e1$386cab40$0501a8c0@randall>

> A traveling friend is passing through San Antonio tomorrow 
> and desperately
> wants to get his wheels rebalanced

FWIW, faced with a similar problem (some town in Iowa much smaller than San
Antone, I've forgotten the name), I just started asking at tire shops.  The
fellow at the Firestone store knew just where to send me, way out on the
other side of town.  Best of all, they even had a set of tires to fit my
Stag.

-- Randall  


From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Nov 19 11:06:03 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:06:03 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
In-Reply-To: <20111119035758.EB249187868@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20111119130603.NK9YG.29230.imail@eastrmwml302>

Sounds like a case of:  If you don't play by my rules, I'm gonna take my ball and go home."  With Bernie, it's all about the money.  He could care less about the US fans as long as he can extract maximum bucks from them.

---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote: 
> Looks like the Austin Tx Grand Prix is in trouble:
> http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-gives-austin-until-next-week-to-save-us-gp
> 
> Tony
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Nov 19 11:25:48 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:25:48 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
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In regards to F1 Austin
Hi Gang...For those of you who aren't familiar with the Proverb about the 
snake.....

'A lady found an injured poisonous snake in her garden.
She rescued the snake, and cared for it for years.
One day the snake turned on her and bit her.
While she was dying she asked the snake..I saved you and cared for you, why 
did you bite me?
The snake answered.."You knew I was a snake".
RB
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1


> Sounds like a case of:  If you don't play by my rules, I'm gonna take my 
> ball and go home."  With Bernie, it's all about the money.  He could care 
> less about the US fans as long as he can extract maximum bucks from them.


From KENMUN at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 12:01:32 2011
From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:01:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] gas blowing back thru carbs
Message-ID: <3920.448dc09f.3bf9570c@aol.com>

recently had a chance to try the rebuilt tr3 motor on the race track and  
experienced a strange problem. gas is blowing back thru the carbs. it's both  
carbs and the gas is on the inside fender well, underside of hood, top side 
of  the front fender, and leading edge of the rear fender .anyone have any  
idea what's going on? seems like the intake valves are leaking or the valve 
 timing is retarded. any ideas/tests or suggestions appreciated.
ken m. vintage tr3 racer


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 12:27:16 2011
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 13:27:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] gas blowing back thru carbs
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Ken,
What is the overlap on your camshaft and how is it timed?  Sounds like the
rising piston might be pushing mixture out the carb before the valve closes.
Do you have a crossover pipe linking the rear and front carbs?
Duncan
1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red

On Nov 19, 2011, at 1:01 PM, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:

> recently had a chance to try the rebuilt tr3 motor on the race track and
> experienced a strange problem. gas is blowing back thru the carbs. it's both
> carbs and the gas is on the inside fender well, underside of hood, top side
> of  the front fender, and leading edge of the rear fender .anyone have any
> idea what's going on? seems like the intake valves are leaking or the valve
> timing is retarded. any ideas/tests or suggestions appreciated.
> ken m. vintage tr3 racer
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From jason at multivintage.com  Sat Nov 19 13:41:25 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:41:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
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Yes well said about Bernie and money and perfect is the proverb of the
Snake! With even the best business model it is nearly impossible to recover
from 25 million off the top.
Lets say you sell 100,000 tickets at $100 each, that's 10 mil. As Terry
said without Major corporate involvement forget about it as a money maker.
Look at Indy, a wealth of experience in putting on successful events going
back 100 years. That place was packed with fans and support... especially
the early ones. But Bernie didn't seem to notice, and didn't care. Measured
on a reasonable scale that event was good for Indy, F1, manufactures, fans,
the USA etc. I'm afraid a Net gain of 25 million, in world where most
sanctioning bodies struggle to make any money, is out of reach.
The sad thing is all the energy and money that was wasted on caring for the
Snake. So much for "If you build it they will come"
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 12:06 PM, <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:

> Sounds like a case of:  If you don't play by my rules, I'm gonna take my
> ball and go home."  With Bernie, it's all about the money.  He could care
> less about the US fans as long as he can extract maximum bucks from them.
>
> ---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> > Looks like the Austin Tx Grand Prix is in trouble:
> >
> http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-gives-austin-until-next-week-to-save-us-gp
> >
> > Tony
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Nov 19 13:48:46 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 20:48:46 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
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That's why the German race tracks struggle too with f1 races and swap the meeting year after year to recover from the loss a little.
Each F1 cost our tracks 4Mio  which the citizens have to bring up.

Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone

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Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:41:25 
To: <spitlist at cox.net>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1

Yes well said about Bernie and money and perfect is the proverb of the
Snake! With even the best business model it is nearly impossible to recover
from 25 million off the top.
Lets say you sell 100,000 tickets at $100 each, that's 10 mil. As Terry
said without Major corporate involvement forget about it as a money maker.
Look at Indy, a wealth of experience in putting on successful events going
back 100 years. That place was packed with fans and support... especially
the early ones. But Bernie didn't seem to notice, and didn't care. Measured
on a reasonable scale that event was good for Indy, F1, manufactures, fans,
the USA etc. I'm afraid a Net gain of 25 million, in world where most
sanctioning bodies struggle to make any money, is out of reach.
The sad thing is all the energy and money that was wasted on caring for the
Snake. So much for "If you build it they will come"
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 12:06 PM, <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:

> Sounds like a case of:  If you don't play by my rules, I'm gonna take my
> ball and go home."  With Bernie, it's all about the money.  He could care
> less about the US fans as long as he can extract maximum bucks from them.
>
> ---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> > Looks like the Austin Tx Grand Prix is in trouble:
> >
> http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-gives-austin-until-next-week-to-save-us-gp
> >
> > Tony
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From billb at bnj.com  Sat Nov 19 13:58:37 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:58:37 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
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I'm not part of the Bernie Defense Team, but my experience in deals of this
magnitude is that the public story has little to do with the real story. And I
doubt Bernie tagged that 25 million on at the end of the negotiation--all
parties knew they had to come up with it. F1 is the big leagues, and all those
folks are playing for big stakes. It's snakes biting snakes. And if they can't
come up with 25 million to satisfy their deal, how are they going to make the
show work? That's chump change.  The rest rooms at the Marina circuit cost
more than that.

And Indy for F1? Come on. It sucked. I LOVE F1 and I couldn't bear to watch
it. Participation in F1 is a source of national pride for the coutries that
play in that arena. If it's not the case for the US, then we shouldn't be
involved other than watching on Speed. Better to have NO participation than
something half-assed.


On Nov 19, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:

> Yes well said about Bernie and money and perfect is the proverb of the
> Snake! With even the best business model it is nearly impossible to recover
> from 25 million off the top.
> Lets say you sell 100,000 tickets at $100 each, that's 10 mil. As Terry
> said without Major corporate involvement forget about it as a money maker.
> Look at Indy, a wealth of experience in putting on successful events going
> back 100 years. That place was packed with fans and support... especially
> the early ones. But Bernie didn't seem to notice, and didn't care. Measured
> on a reasonable scale that event was good for Indy, F1, manufactures, fans,
> the USA etc. I'm afraid a Net gain of 25 million, in world where most
> sanctioning bodies struggle to make any money, is out of reach.
> The sad thing is all the energy and money that was wasted on caring for the
> Snake. So much for "If you build it they will come"
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 12:06 PM, <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a case of:  If you don't play by my rules, I'm gonna take my
>> ball and go home."  With Bernie, it's all about the money.  He could care
>> less about the US fans as long as he can extract maximum bucks from them.
>>
>> ---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
>>> Looks like the Austin Tx Grand Prix is in trouble:
>>>
>>
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-gives-austin-until-next-
week-to-save-us-gp
>>>
>>> Tony
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
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From jason at multivintage.com  Sat Nov 19 14:45:27 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 15:45:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
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On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:



> "It's snakes biting snakes. And if they can't
> come up with 25 million to satisfy their deal, how are they going to make
> the
> show work? That's chump change."
>
> "And Indy for F1? Come on. It sucked. I LOVE F1 and I couldn't bear to
> watch
> it".
>
> Yes Bill, good true points on the financial end. I won't argue the points
> about financial aspects of "big leagues".. I'm sure all that stuff was
> disclosed early on. Clearly more was bit off than could be chewed.
> But, what was so bad about the Indy events? With the exception of the
> Michelin debacle, what sucked? I went to all the F1 races at Indianapolis
> and thought it was awesome.. and great for U.S. exposure to road racing. I
> have been to other F1 races (including Monaco) and I thought those U.S.
> events were surely different but comparable and good on many levels.
> Jason, FGR


From gaf3 at charter.net  Sat Nov 19 15:16:46 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 17:16:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] gas blowing back thru carbs
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Generally that symptom usually means the cam is way out of time.
That condition is common with street cars that have jumped time because 
of a bad chain or sprocket.
Did you degree the cam?
Good Luck
Glenn Franco
Too many TR's
On 11/19/2011 2:27 PM, Duncan Charlton wrote:
> Ken,
> What is the overlap on your camshaft and how is it timed?  Sounds like the
> rising piston might be pushing mixture out the carb before the valve closes.
> Do you have a crossover pipe linking the rear and front carbs?
> Duncan
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red
>
> On Nov 19, 2011, at 1:01 PM, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
>
>> recently had a chance to try the rebuilt tr3 motor on the race track and
>> experienced a strange problem. gas is blowing back thru the carbs. it's both
>> carbs and the gas is on the inside fender well, underside of hood, top side
>> of  the front fender, and leading edge of the rear fender .anyone have any
>> idea what's going on? seems like the intake valves are leaking or the valve
>> timing is retarded. any ideas/tests or suggestions appreciated.
>> ken m. vintage tr3 racer


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Sat Nov 19 16:30:11 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 23:30:11 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin TX F1
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F06847F@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

I just want the track built  It may be sustainable without the F1 race, if
they scale back the build-out to something like a Road America standard. Bring
on the MotoGP, the Aussie V8's, add in Grand AM and maybe a few lesser series
and they'll be just enough time left over for a vintage weekend. Heck, without
F1 we might get two. I sway build it and they will come. Not my money!

BTW, I was at Daytona for the VIP tour Thursday and the Grand AM cars were
testing for two days. The new Daytona Prototypes that kind of look like a
something real were a big buzz, especially the Corvette. It didn't look like a
Corvette to me and the 911 was even less recognizable, but any buzz is good
buzz for road racing.

Barbara and I are here in Florida for a 100 mile cycling event called the
Horrible Hundred. Believe or not they have hills in the lake country in
central Florida. We rode up what they say is the steepest hill today and it
was just like what we have at home in central TX. I'll be wearing my FoT
jersey. Wish me luck.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


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Of Jason Ostrowski
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 3:45 PM
To: Bill Babcock
Cc: FOT of
Subject: Re: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:



> "It's snakes biting snakes. And if they can't come up with 25 million
> to satisfy their deal, how are they going to make the show work?
> That's chump change."
>
> "And Indy for F1? Come on. It sucked. I LOVE F1 and I couldn't bear to
> watch it".
>
> Yes Bill, good true points on the financial end. I won't argue the
> points about financial aspects of "big leagues".. I'm sure all that
> stuff was disclosed early on. Clearly more was bit off than could be
chewed.
> But, what was so bad about the Indy events? With the exception of the
> Michelin debacle, what sucked? I went to all the F1 races at
> Indianapolis and thought it was awesome.. and great for U.S. exposure
> to road racing. I have been to other F1 races (including Monaco) and I
thought those U.S.
> events were surely different but comparable and good on many levels.
> Jason, FGR
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Nov 19 19:54:13 2011
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 21:54:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
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I went to the first F1 race at Indy and I have to agree with Bill.

I swore I'd never go back to Indy ever again.  My God, you could not even get
a cup of coffee at the track in the morning. All they had was cheap beer.  The
track facilities were dilapidated, nothing was clean, and it made what should
have been a very reasonable ticket price seem expensive. The sight lines for
the fans watching the race were terrible, unless you were one of the few who
had tickets for the stands in F1 turn one.
The track announcers were clueless about road racing.  The entire thing was
very amateurish, at best, and an embarrassment to U.S. F1 fans, who have been
deprived of their "fix" for far too long.

Terry Stetler
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  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 4:45 PM
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  On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Bill Babcock
<billb at bnj.com<mailto:billb at bnj.com>> wrote:



  > "It's snakes biting snakes. And if they can't
  > come up with 25 million to satisfy their deal, how are they going to make
  > the
  > show work? That's chump change."
  >
  > "And Indy for F1? Come on. It sucked. I LOVE F1 and I couldn't bear to
  > watch
  > it".
  >
  > Yes Bill, good true points on the financial end. I won't argue the points
  > about financial aspects of "big leagues".. I'm sure all that stuff was
  > disclosed early on. Clearly more was bit off than could be chewed.
  > But, what was so bad about the Indy events? With the exception of the
  > Michelin debacle, what sucked? I went to all the F1 races at Indianapolis
  > and thought it was awesome.. and great for U.S. exposure to road racing.
I
  > have been to other F1 races (including Monaco) and I thought those U.S.
  > events were surely different but comparable and good on many levels.
  > Jason, FGR
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 21:14:11 2011
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 22:14:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Track Day
Message-ID: <4B79970D-00F6-4DA5-8332-E5084065385A@aol.com>

I just had my first track day at Hallett.  I got a groupon for half price and
took advantage of it.  It was for high speed touring.  I did the driver's
school, and had an instructor ride with me the first time out.  I am running a
stock TR6 with 205-15 Michelins on Panasport wheels.  I put upgraded brakes on
the front and was very pleased with their performance.  I was basically a
moving roadblock so I just waved people by.  It's hard to keep up with a WRX
and the rest of the cars.  I did 3 sessions and called it a day.  I had a
blast!  I'll probably do it again in the spring and try to take the GT6 out.

Sam Clark


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Nov 20 07:06:00 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:06:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Track Day
In-Reply-To: <4B79970D-00F6-4DA5-8332-E5084065385A@aol.com>
References: <4B79970D-00F6-4DA5-8332-E5084065385A@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CE75A4AAD04B3F-18B8-A4544@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com>

 sounds like a good start.

seems like the guys who started out slowly and grew with the activity have
been around the longest.





-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Clark <trdoctor at aol.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Nov 19, 2011 10:19 pm
Subject: [Fot] Track Day


I just had my first track day at Hallett.  I got a groupon for half price and
took advantage of it.  It was for high speed touring.  I did the driver's
school, and had an instructor ride with me the first time out.  I am running
a
stock TR6 with 205-15 Michelins on Panasport wheels.  I put upgraded brakes
on
the front and was very pleased with their performance.  I was basically a
moving roadblock so I just waved people by.  It's hard to keep up with a WRX
and the rest of the cars.  I did 3 sessions and called it a day.  I had a
blast!  I'll probably do it again in the spring and try to take the GT6 out.

Sam Clark
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sun Nov 20 11:02:55 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:02:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Track Day
References: <4B79970D-00F6-4DA5-8332-E5084065385A@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A236D7CA7CB14F4A8DB3BBA506AB0633@owner8914bbf7f>

Comgrats Sam, it's all about having fun, isn't it?
Keep on having fun!
Bill, TR6 & 7
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 11:14 PM
Subject: [Fot] Track Day


>I just had my first track day at Hallett.  I got a groupon for half price 
>and
> took advantage of it.  It was for high speed touring.  I did the driver's
> school, and had an instructor ride with me the first time out.  I am 
> running a
> stock TR6 with 205-15 Michelins on Panasport wheels.  I put upgraded 
> brakes on
> the front and was very pleased with their performance.  I was basically a
> moving roadblock so I just waved people by.  It's hard to keep up with a 
> WRX
> and the rest of the cars.  I did 3 sessions and called it a day.  I had a
> blast!  I'll probably do it again in the spring and try to take the GT6 
> out.
>
> Sam Clark
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Nov 20 11:15:46 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 10:15:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Track Day
References: <4B79970D-00F6-4DA5-8332-E5084065385A@aol.com>
	<A236D7CA7CB14F4A8DB3BBA506AB0633@owner8914bbf7f>
Message-ID: <7BB24F089B2A4728B8300450DB4D61FC@Bud>

Congratulations Sam!...What a milestone!
RB..Spitfire #21
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From: "william r tobin" <william.tobin31 at verizon.net>
To: "Sam Clark" <trdoctor at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Track Day


> Comgrats Sam, it's all about having fun, isn't it?
> Keep on having fun!
> Bill, TR6 & 7
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sam Clark" <trdoctor at aol.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 11:14 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Track Day
>
>
>>I just had my first track day at Hallett.  I got a groupon for half price 
>>and
>> took advantage of it.  It was for high speed touring.  I did the driver's
>> school, and had an instructor ride with me the first time out.  I am 
>> running a
>> stock TR6 with 205-15 Michelins on Panasport wheels.  I put upgraded 
>> brakes on
>> the front and was very pleased with their performance.  I was basically a
>> moving roadblock so I just waved people by.  It's hard to keep up with a 
>> WRX
>> and the rest of the cars.  I did 3 sessions and called it a day.  I had a
>> blast!  I'll probably do it again in the spring and try to take the GT6 
>> out.
>>
>> Sam Clark
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>>
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From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Mon Nov 21 15:11:25 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:11:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hutchens Rage Hybrid reviews
In-Reply-To: <835327F0-7BB6-41DC-A82D-AD9D53F02B46@earthlink.net>
References: <CALsVEtA5bf4dukSNsMmY6pbmpvNfZhicw2ed_2ETQgNJNAmgJw@mail.gmail.com>
	<835327F0-7BB6-41DC-A82D-AD9D53F02B46@earthlink.net>
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My understanding has always been that the HANS protects us in a straight
line impact only.  I'm no expert, but it seems to me that the problem with
using F1, Nascar, etc. as examples of why the HANS is right for us is that
their cars provide extra protection from side to side head movement, either
by the halo type seat in Nascar or the tight cockpit sides in F1.  Our
vintage cars don't have anything like that to reduce the side to side head
movement we would experience in a non-frontal collision.  That's why I was
asking about is anyone had any experience with the Simpson Hybrid device,
which supposedly has straps that limit the side to side movement as well as
the straight ahead movement.  Based on the lack of responses, it doesn't
appear that anyone on FOT is using one so I might have to be the guinea
pig.  Don
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>wrote:

> I have the Hans and it's great.  World champion Sebastian Vettel and ALL
> the other F1 drivers wear it.  They go a little faster than we do.
>
> ~Steve
>
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Don Marshall wrote:
>
> I've been told that I will get a head/neck protection device for Christmas,
> but I have to decide which one.  It seems that most folks are using the
> HANS device, but I'm curious if any FOTers are using the Rage Hybrid.
> These are also approved for SCCA use and claim to have better side impact
> protection than the HANS, as well as being more comfortable.  If anyone is
> using one of these please let me know how you like it.  Thanks, Don
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Mon Nov 21 17:09:34 2011
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:09:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
Message-ID: <1d33b3e.12b8c.133c89b47e1.Webtop.21@optonline.net>

Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!

 
http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%20small/?action=view&current=11_11.jpg

Anyone know this car?
Todd Redmond


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon Nov 21 17:26:27 2011
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 00:26:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
In-Reply-To: <1d33b3e.12b8c.133c89b47e1.Webtop.21@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <581029520.104237.1321921587400.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Interesting mod but that paint job is not my cup of tea!! 

Gary 

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To: "FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net" <FOT at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 4:09:34 PM 
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3 

Thought this might be of interest to this fine group! 


http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%20small/?action=view&current=11_11.jpg 

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From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Nov 21 17:40:35 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 00:40:35 +0000
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
Message-ID: <mailman.54.1638251574.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

Actually, kind of cool. In a "don't take me too seriously" way. Fun, silly and I'll bet it really hauls the mail. Yes, interesting...
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
------Original Message------
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Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
Sent: Nov 21, 2011 6:09 PM

Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!

 
http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%20small/?action=view&current=11_11.jpg

Anyone know this car?
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Mon Nov 21 17:51:29 2011
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:51:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
In-Reply-To: <1d33b3e.12b8c.133c89b47e1.Webtop.21@optonline.net>
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What did the guy who built it think when he sobered up??? That's nightmare
material! 

Russ

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Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3

Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!

 
http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%20small/?action=v
iew&current=11_11.jpg

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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Nov 21 18:04:51 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:04:51 -0800
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
References: <20111122005331.D8D531878FC@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <27661F28FDAF4ACEB043EF1A5E00C1FE@Bud>

I love it!...Really nice colors...As they say in the Hot Rod World..'The 
guy's not afraid of that bit_h"
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
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<FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] A V8 TR3


> Actually, kind of cool. In a "don't take me too seriously" way. Fun, silly 
> and I'll bet it really hauls the mail. Yes, interesting...
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing
> ------Original Message------
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>
> Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!
>
>
> http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%20small/?action=view&current=11_11.jpg
>
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Nov 21 18:35:52 2011
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 01:35:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
In-Reply-To: <27661F28FDAF4ACEB043EF1A5E00C1FE@Bud>
Message-ID: <905416707.93803.1321925752395.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Stand on the gas and just sit there doing a one wheel burnout and in the first turn at speed the old steel wheels will probably collapse if the tires don't peel off the rims first. End of story. Poor car. A lot of time and energy went into it, especially the headers. I wonder if it has nitrous. 


Dave 

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To: jason at multivintage.com, "Todd Redmond" <alfetta95 at optonline.net>, fot-bounces at autox.team.net, FOT at autox.team.net 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 5:04:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] A V8 TR3 

I love it!...Really nice colors...As they say in the Hot Rod World..'The 
guy's not afraid of that bit_h" 
RB 
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<FOT at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 4:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] A V8 TR3 


> Actually, kind of cool. In a "don't take me too seriously" way. Fun, silly 
> and I'll bet it really hauls the mail. Yes, interesting... 
> Jason Ostrowski 
> Friendly Ghost Racing 
> ------Original Message------ 
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> Sent: Nov 21, 2011 6:09 PM 
> 
> Thought this might be of interest to this fine group! 
> 
> 
> http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%20small/?action=view&current=11_11.jpg 
> 
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From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 05:54:44 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:54:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
In-Reply-To: <1d33b3e.12b8c.133c89b47e1.Webtop.21@optonline.net>
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It was and is an interesting car, being a street car it is kind of neat, a
British hot rod ,  all of us like something a little different for the
street, not excited about the flames, and the stock wheels would have to
go, definatly better choices since he has spent all that money for the
motor and the install.


On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Todd Redmond <alfetta95 at optonline.net>wrote:

> Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!
>
>
> http://s1228.photobucket.com/**albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%**
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-- 
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Nov 22 08:30:41 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:30:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
Message-ID: <218a8.27d86db9.3bfd1a21@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/21/2011 6:09:55 PM Central Standard Time, 
alfetta95 at optonline.net writes:


> Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!
> 

My driving instructor at my first racing school was a guy named Hal 
Ullrich.  He was an ex-National Champion from the early mid 1950s.  I drove him 
crazy because I rode the synchros when down shifting.  He and his brother Bill 
owned and ran a 'Speed Shop' just north of Chicago.  They were heavily into 
racing, but also catered to serious collectors.  While they took care of 
some pretty exotic stuff, Hal told me that they handled lots of TR3s in those 
early days as well.  Their customers had big name marques for the track, and 
downstairs marques like TRIUMPH as daily drivers.  He said they put lots and 
lots of Chevy V8 engines in TRIUMPH TR3s.  It was the rage on Chicago's 
Gold Coast in those days.  That surprised me and I asked, "Where are they?  How 
come they never surface for sale these days?"  Hal said, "Most of them got 
wrapped around a tree."

Bill Dentinger

PS  The Ullrich brothers were bachelors, who lived and worked together all 
of their lives.  Hal passed away 10-12 years ago.  I think Bill is still 
alive.  He spent decades working on the development of an 'Ullrich' racing engin
e.  As far as I know, it never was finished, but whenever you ran into 
Bill, the traditional opening line was, "Bill...how's your engine coming?"    .  


From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Tue Nov 22 08:33:04 2011
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (wgrosenbach at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:33:04 GMT
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
Message-ID: <20111122.083304.7059.2@webmail04.vgs.untd.com>

A bit of an extreme comprise for equal length header tube on that right rear
cylinder! I need to locate the photos of the  matched pair of drag racers at
Bandimere Speedway.White with blue rocker stripes, like a Shelby; one a stock
TR-4 and the other (and much faster)TR-440.

---------- Original Message ----------
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To: "FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net" <FOT at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:09:34 -0500 (EST)

Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!


http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%20small/?action=vi
ew&current=11_11.jpg

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From jerrybarr at charter.net  Tue Nov 22 10:22:55 2011
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:22:55 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
In-Reply-To: <218a8.27d86db9.3bfd1a21@aol.com>
References: <218a8.27d86db9.3bfd1a21@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4F3463D1-3EF1-42F6-AA5E-8138DF067546@charter.net>

Bill do you remember seeing a red TR3 at Blackhawk maybe years ago that had
been widened about 6 inched and had a great big V8 transplanted into it?
On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:30 AM, billdentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 11/21/2011 6:09:55 PM Central Standard Time,
> alfetta95 at optonline.net writes:
>
>
>> Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!
>>
>
> My driving instructor at my first racing school was a guy named Hal
> Ullrich.  He was an ex-National Champion from the early mid 1950s.  I drove
him
> crazy because I rode the synchros when down shifting.  He and his brother
Bill
> owned and ran a 'Speed Shop' just north of Chicago.  They were heavily into
> racing, but also catered to serious collectors.  While they took care of
> some pretty exotic stuff, Hal told me that they handled lots of TR3s in
those
> early days as well.  Their customers had big name marques for the track, and
> downstairs marques like TRIUMPH as daily drivers.  He said they put lots and
> lots of Chevy V8 engines in TRIUMPH TR3s.  It was the rage on Chicago's
> Gold Coast in those days.  That surprised me and I asked, "Where are they?
How
> come they never surface for sale these days?"  Hal said, "Most of them got
> wrapped around a tree."
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
> PS  The Ullrich brothers were bachelors, who lived and worked together all
> of their lives.  Hal passed away 10-12 years ago.  I think Bill is still
> alive.  He spent decades working on the development of an 'Ullrich' racing
engin
> e.  As far as I know, it never was finished, but whenever you ran into
> Bill, the traditional opening line was, "Bill...how's your engine coming?"
.
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From dkettler1 at charter.net  Tue Nov 22 21:17:15 2011
From: dkettler1 at charter.net (David Kettler)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 22:17:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
In-Reply-To: <4F3463D1-3EF1-42F6-AA5E-8138DF067546@charter.net>
References: <218a8.27d86db9.3bfd1a21@aol.com>
	<4F3463D1-3EF1-42F6-AA5E-8138DF067546@charter.net>
Message-ID: <3A806982CDDE4FFC8BA328FC79E5EB5E@Davelaptop>

Jerry/Bill:

Cliff Ebben from Appleton, WI has a widened red TR3.  He put some sort of a 
Nissan big motor and drive train in it.  Very nicely done.

Dave Kettler

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jerry Barr
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 11:22 AM
To: billdentin at aol.com
Cc: triumph friends
Subject: Re: [Fot] A V8 TR3

Bill do you remember seeing a red TR3 at Blackhawk maybe years ago that had
been widened about 6 inched and had a great big V8 transplanted into it?
On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:30 AM, billdentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 11/21/2011 6:09:55 PM Central Standard Time,
> alfetta95 at optonline.net writes:
>
>
>> Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!
>>
>
> My driving instructor at my first racing school was a guy named Hal
> Ullrich.  He was an ex-National Champion from the early mid 1950s.  I 
> drove
him
> crazy because I rode the synchros when down shifting.  He and his brother
Bill
> owned and ran a 'Speed Shop' just north of Chicago.  They were heavily 
> into
> racing, but also catered to serious collectors.  While they took care of
> some pretty exotic stuff, Hal told me that they handled lots of TR3s in
those
> early days as well.  Their customers had big name marques for the track, 
> and
> downstairs marques like TRIUMPH as daily drivers.  He said they put lots 
> and
> lots of Chevy V8 engines in TRIUMPH TR3s.  It was the rage on Chicago's
> Gold Coast in those days.  That surprised me and I asked, "Where are they?
How
> come they never surface for sale these days?"  Hal said, "Most of them got
> wrapped around a tree."
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
> PS  The Ullrich brothers were bachelors, who lived and worked together all
> of their lives.  Hal passed away 10-12 years ago.  I think Bill is still
> alive.  He spent decades working on the development of an 'Ullrich' racing
engin
> e.  As far as I know, it never was finished, but whenever you ran into
> Bill, the traditional opening line was, "Bill...how's your engine coming?"
.
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Nov 23 00:23:34 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 00:23:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
In-Reply-To: <4F3463D1-3EF1-42F6-AA5E-8138DF067546@charter.net>
References: <218a8.27d86db9.3bfd1a21@aol.com>
	<4F3463D1-3EF1-42F6-AA5E-8138DF067546@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4ECC9F76.9060104@bradakis.com>

He got the whitewalls half right.  Your judgement as to which half.

mjb.


From Colordog.1 at Earthlink.Net  Wed Nov 23 22:15:38 2011
From: Colordog.1 at Earthlink.Net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:15:38 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Video from Willow Springs
Message-ID: <F4908943-EEFC-43C7-80E2-519FB4D23239@Earthlink.Net>

Here are a few laps from Willow Springs Raceway earlier this month.  I  
had fun racing with fellow FOT John Frymark.

http://vimeo.com/31705138

~Steve


From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Sat Nov 26 06:04:59 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:04:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] F1 in America video
Message-ID: <CALsVEtBVKCZDGErfJY8UQQqZ9BF01zzJEZNud5eqDvmOZv38jw@mail.gmail.com>

Link to video ad for F1 at the new track in Austin, showing the track in
progress.  For all I know the F1 plan may be dead but the video was well
done.  Don


http://youtu.be/0tEHQJn_hxo


From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Nov 26 10:32:46 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 9:32:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] F1 in America video
In-Reply-To: <CALsVEtBVKCZDGErfJY8UQQqZ9BF01zzJEZNud5eqDvmOZv38jw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111126123246.11NWG.104610.imail@eastrmwml106>

IF  it really happens!
---- Don Marshall <donmarshall at nefcom.net> wrote: 
> Link to video ad for F1 at the new track in Austin, showing the track in
> progress.  For all I know the F1 plan may be dead but the video was well
> done.  Don
> 
> 
> http://youtu.be/0tEHQJn_hxo
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 29 20:22:52 2011
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:22:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Speedsters
Message-ID: <1322623372.24022.YahooMailRC@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - I am getting the TR4 out of moth balls for the Kastner Cup in the 
Spring.
Anyone have any Hoosier Speedsters to sell?

D


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Nov 30 12:54:57 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:54:57 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Austin F1, there is still hope
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F079923@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

I just want the track finished so I can have a home town track.........
1:30 PM
Ecclestone pushes Grand Prix deadline back one week
By: Associated Press
Formula One boss Bernie Ecclestone has given organizers of next year's U.S.
Grand Prix another week to save the Texas race by proving they have the
finances in place.
Ecclestone had wanted organizers to sign a contract by Wednesday, but extended
his deadline to next Wednesday when the World Motor Sport Council ratifies the
2012 calendar.
The F1 boss told The Associated Press in a telephone interview that "the
deadline hasn't been met so we are still trying to make it happen ... they
need to get some money and a pen."
Ecclestone is adamant "if it isn't all signed before the World Motor Sport
Council meeting (the race) can't happen."
Copyright 2011 Associated Press, All rights reserved.
This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell

Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out.
<http://walkthetalk.us1.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=8f89bce0be7e1813d8ad34
042&id=abf4a5c42b&e=7085705c50> ~John Wooden


From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Nov 30 13:04:16 2011
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 15:04:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Austin F1, there is still hope
In-Reply-To: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F079923@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
References: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F079923@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ1+nOSeAP3ajTcE8Tra_ZW-0pUPeF3dNg3j=FziShzNvQ2pZg@mail.gmail.com>

Jay Lamm has offered to host the F1 cars at the Texas Motor Speedway 24
hours of LeMons, though he has noted some of the F1 drivers will need to
attend the 'No Contact Allowed' discussion/lecture.

:)


On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Kramer, Robert <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>wrote:

> I just want the track finished so I can have a home town track.........
> 1:30 PM
> Ecclestone pushes Grand Prix deadline back one week
> By: Associated Press
> Formula One boss Bernie Ecclestone has given organizers of next year's U.S.
> Grand Prix another week to save the Texas race by proving they have the
> finances in place.
> Ecclestone had wanted organizers to sign a contract by Wednesday, but
> extended
> his deadline to next Wednesday when the World Motor Sport Council ratifies
> the
> 2012 calendar.
> The F1 boss told The Associated Press in a telephone interview that "the
> deadline hasn't been met so we are still trying to make it happen ... they
> need to get some money and a pen."
> Ecclestone is adamant "if it isn't all signed before the World Motor Sport
> Council meeting (the race) can't happen."
> Copyright 2011 Associated Press, All rights reserved.
> This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Southern Construction Inventory Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-687-7422 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
>
> Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things
> turn
> out.
> <
> http://walkthetalk.us1.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=8f89bce0be7e1813d8ad34
> 042&id=abf4a5c42b&e=7085705c50> ~John Wooden
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Nov 30 13:10:42 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:10:42 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Austin F1, there is still hope
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1+nOSeAP3ajTcE8Tra_ZW-0pUPeF3dNg3j=FziShzNvQ2pZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F079923@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
	<CAJ1+nOSeAP3ajTcE8Tra_ZW-0pUPeF3dNg3j=FziShzNvQ2pZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F079972@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

Good, we can hook up a chain and have them tow our TR6 around.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell

Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out.
<http://walkthetalk.us1.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=8f89bce0be7e1813d8ad34
042&id=abf4a5c42b&e=7085705c50> ~John Wooden
From: robert bownes [mailto:bownes at seiri.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 2:04 PM
To: Kramer, Robert
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Austin F1, there is still hope


Jay Lamm has offered to host the F1 cars at the Texas Motor Speedway 24 hours
of LeMons, though he has noted some of the F1 drivers will need to attend the
'No Contact Allowed' discussion/lecture.

:)

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Kramer, Robert
<RKramer at rdoequipment.com<mailto:RKramer at rdoequipment.com>> wrote:
I just want the track finished so I can have a home town track.........
1:30 PM
Ecclestone pushes Grand Prix deadline back one week
By: Associated Press
Formula One boss Bernie Ecclestone has given organizers of next year's U.S.
Grand Prix another week to save the Texas race by proving they have the
finances in place.
Ecclestone had wanted organizers to sign a contract by Wednesday, but
extended
his deadline to next Wednesday when the World Motor Sport Council ratifies
the
2012 calendar.
The F1 boss told The Associated Press in a telephone interview that "the
deadline hasn't been met so we are still trying to make it happen ... they
need to get some money and a pen."
Ecclestone is adamant "if it isn't all signed before the World Motor Sport
Council meeting (the race) can't happen."
Copyright 2011 Associated Press, All rights reserved.
This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422<tel:512-687-7422> Office
512-657-8526<tel:512-657-8526> Cell

Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out.
<http://walkthetalk.us1.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=8f89bce0be7e1813d8ad34
042&id=abf4a5c42b&e=7085705c50<http://walkthetalk.us1.list-manage1.com/track/
click?u=8f89bce0be7e1813d8ad34%0A042&id=abf4a5c42b&e=7085705c50>> ~John
Wooden
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov  1 05:11:04 2011
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 04:11:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <CA+ZF2X1G3qGosVXDyHPKox-=buPQFFkPGO_OWgAW6U7B_DgPuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
	<CA+ZF2X1G3qGosVXDyHPKox-=buPQFFkPGO_OWgAW6U7B_DgPuw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1320145864.25724.YahooMailNeo@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This is the only additive that my Dad, a former GM engine designer
ever
recommended. It was unavailable for a number of years, and
may be available at
your local GM dealer as well.
 
As some of you know, my Dad was the designer
of record for the
Buick 215 which became the Rover/Triumph 3.5. (As well as
other
lumps).
 
Doug

From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
To:
Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net>
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net; Friends of triumph
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot]
Zinc Additive.

I just bought some of this but haven't tried it yet -- GM's
EOS additive:

http://tinyurl.com/3kss8hn
Duncan

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at
10:47 AM, Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I have torn down
4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out cams.
> The latest was a
performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes
> severely worn.
>
> I
know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if any
> Zinc
Additives are out there.
>
> For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn 30wt
break in oil, Valvoline
> Racing oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest in
zinc of the diesel oils)
>
> As these engines age their owners are going to
start changing their own oil,
> Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
> As
I understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
> I'm
running it in my engine as well.
>
> I'm now very concerned and would like to
get this under control with an
> additive.
>
> Any Suggestions?
> Thanks in
Advance
> Glenn Franco
> Too Many TR's
>
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Tue Nov  1 07:54:57 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 09:54:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Oil Supplement
Message-ID: <4EAFFA31.4050505@charter.net>

Thanks to all for the insight on Zinc oil additives.
The reason I have been looking for an additive or supplement is that I 
have a supply of Castrol 20w50 that I would like to use up.
I also found that GM's OES is still available and Summit Racing has it 
for ~$17 a bottle.
Bardall and Lucas also has a supplement for ~ $15 a bottle.
Eldebrock has some on Jegs site. We did use Valvoline VR1 (?) 20w50 in 
one of the engines and the latest is getting 30w Brad Penn.
Brad Penn is hard to find around here. I will start using Mobil 1 15w50 
or Rotella 15w40 in my own engines after the break in period.
Thanks
Glenn Franco
Too Many TR's


From ac at camoletti.ch  Tue Nov  1 08:31:36 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:31:36 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <CA+UW8b3RAK55gKjtpGE3=uuWNgvsd9sVm=HegHUj0YzbVFcKcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UW8b3RAK55gKjtpGE3=uuWNgvsd9sVm=HegHUj0YzbVFcKcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003401cc98a2$f70e1180$e52a3480$@camoletti.ch>

Hi there!
According to their tech dept, there are a few PENRITE oils with more that
0.1% ZZDP (1000 ppm-parts per million)

HPR and HPRD series
HPR Gas series
SIN series
Every Day Synthetic series
Every Day Driving series
Marine 4 Stroke
Small Engine Oil series
Diesel LA
Diesel GS
Multi Truck 25

There is also the CRANE additive, called Break In concentrate.
According to Crane service dept it will raise the ZDDP content of 1 gallon
of oil by 400ppm if I remember well, ie 0.04% more
Cheers!
Alex


-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Enquiries Road & Track
Envoyi : mardi 1 novembre 2011 04:02
@ : fot at autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] Zinc Additive.

i have been using quite ordinary oils in my race 2500/TR6 engines for almost
30 years and never had an oil related failure, eg cam lobes worn off

in recent years i have used off-shelf Mobil 1 (not the racing version). The
current version is called 15-50. See this table to check out its zinc &
phosphorous levels.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf

In my engine machine shop business we have seen this occur with flat tappet
V8 engines, especially old Ford side-valve ones and more recently Chevs, but
usually owners have filled them with very modern oils.

The "tappet" problem that people refer to is not restricted to old engines.
nearly every modern engine has a tappet (now days called a cam bucket), but
most modern OHC engines have very soft cam profiles and very large diameter
tappets. none-the-less, the oil shear problems can still occur .

.Terry
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Nov  1 08:32:14 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 10:32:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
Message-ID: <3305d.31442d0b.3be15cee@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/01/2011 5:32:48 AM Central Standard Time, 
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:


> As some of you know, my Dad was the designer
> of record for the
> Buick 215 which became the Rover/Triumph 3.5. (As well as
> other
> lumps).
> 

WOW!  Some people feel that was one of the best engines ever built.

Bill Dentinger


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Tue Nov  1 12:04:14 2011
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 13:04:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4EB0349E.5080008@bright.net>

Glenn, the first 30 seconds and then the first 5 minutes of new engine 
(or cam) start up are the critical cam life determining time. Inadequate 
or poor quality cam lube, trying to build oil pressure by turning with 
the starter rather than fully pressurizing he system first, high ratio 
rocker arms and excessive valve spring pressure all will wipe cam 
lobes.  The other factor is inital run-in time and procedure. Three 
years ago we  spent almost a year researching oils and zinc issue. We 
spoke  with Comp Cams, Joe Gibbs, Mobil, Brad Penn and others.Finally 
settled on Brad Penn. They have a good selection of grades plus they 
have break-in oil. We build a lot of engines and this has worked for us. 
Commercial content - Brad Penn break-in oil is $6/qt.  All other weights 
are $5/qt  Ted


On 10/31/2011 12:47 PM, Glenn Franco wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I have torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out 
> cams.
> The latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes 
> severely worn.
>
> I know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if 
> any Zinc Additives are out there.
>
> For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn 30wt break in oil, Valvoline 
> Racing oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest in zinc of the diesel 
> oils)
>
> As these engines age their owners are going to start changing their 
> own oil, Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
> As I understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
> I'm running it in my engine as well.
>
> I'm now very concerned and would like to get this under control with 
> an additive.
>
> Any Suggestions?
> Thanks in Advance
> Glenn Franco
> Too Many TR's
>
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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Tue Nov  1 23:20:02 2011
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 01:20:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Brad-Penn Refinery
Message-ID: <A78C2B8A0BEA4D1E8837D5D7B98F2776@Bucktailus>

I have been watching the discussion about the  zinc content in racing oil, and
the high regard that many have for Brad-Penn.  I am not a stock holder in the
Brad-Penn refinery, but surely could be.  I grew up, literally, in the shadow
of the Kendall Refinery. That refinery is now the Brad-Penn refinery,  as Irv
Korey has stated.  The "Brad" comes from the town where the refinery is
located - Bradford, PA.  I lived less than 1/4 mile from the refinery. The
street that runs along one side of the refinery is Kendall Ave. I walked that
street four times each day going to and from Grade School.  My father-in-law
was an independent oil producer and some of his wells were within the area of
what we called a tank farm, belonging to the Kendall Refinery.  My sister
(during the second world war) worked in the control lab.  One of my cousins
worked, for a number of years, in the packing plant office, and a good friend,
Bruce Klussman, was in charge of the racing promotion program when it was
still Kendall.  I still have connections that I can refer to, but it sounds
like the ones interested are getting all the information that is needed.  So,
you can see why the recent discussion is of particular interest to me.
Bob Johns


From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 06:29:35 2011
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 08:29:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Brad-Penn Refinery
In-Reply-To: <A78C2B8A0BEA4D1E8837D5D7B98F2776@Bucktailus>
References: <A78C2B8A0BEA4D1E8837D5D7B98F2776@Bucktailus>
Message-ID: <000b01cc995b$14f44c10$3edce430$@net>

I use Brad-Penn works for me (next subject)

Craig

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Subject: [Fot] Brad-Penn Refinery

I have been watching the discussion about the  zinc content in racing oil,
and
the high regard that many have for Brad-Penn.  I am not a stock holder in
the
Brad-Penn refinery, but surely could be.  I grew up, literally, in the
shadow
of the Kendall Refinery. That refinery is now the Brad-Penn refinery,  as
Irv
Korey has stated.  The "Brad" comes from the town where the refinery is
located - Bradford, PA.  I lived less than 1/4 mile from the refinery. The
street that runs along one side of the refinery is Kendall Ave. I walked
that
street four times each day going to and from Grade School.  My father-in-law
was an independent oil producer and some of his wells were within the area
of
what we called a tank farm, belonging to the Kendall Refinery.  My sister
(during the second world war) worked in the control lab.  One of my cousins
worked, for a number of years, in the packing plant office, and a good
friend,
Bruce Klussman, was in charge of the racing promotion program when it was
still Kendall.  I still have connections that I can refer to, but it sounds
like the ones interested are getting all the information that is needed.
So,
you can see why the recent discussion is of particular interest to me.
Bob Johns
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed Nov  2 08:24:26 2011
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 07:24:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
Message-ID: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve


From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net  Wed Nov  2 08:45:30 2011
From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 07:45:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire differential - broken pinion teeth
Message-ID: <1320245130.60779.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Our last race of the season, the CSRG season finale at Thunderhill, didn't go
so 

well.  On the first warm-up session, my wife pulls into the paddock early
and 
says the rear end is making a clunking sound. Turns out the pinion has
two 
broken teeth. Not completely missing, each one lost about 1/3 of the
tooth.

I have a spare stock diff (FC85870) but the axle flanges don't
match. Looks like 

my original diff (FC2669) was upgraded to 1500 bits with
larger flanges, 
bearings, and 7/8" 20 spline shafts.  The rear case must have
been changed also 
to accommodate the larger bearings. I'm assuming all this
was done to fit the 
detroit locker, and heavy duty axles.  Suppose to be
Mother Mueller parts
according to the PO.

So I now have two winter projects -
fix the original diff and upgrade the spare 
so it 

fits.

Anyone familiar
with these changes?

Does the stock 4:11 crown and pinion 510005 work with the
Detroit locker?

Thanks,
Tim


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 09:22:06 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:22:06 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
In-Reply-To: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001801cc9973$30ed7960$92c86c20$@com>

Once a year if the engine is doing well.

Chris

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As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Wed Nov  2 09:30:36 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 11:30:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
In-Reply-To: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
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Every Race....

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As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 10:22:16 2011
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:22:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
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References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
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After each race is a good time 

Craig


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Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Nov  2 10:34:10 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 11:34:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
In-Reply-To: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20111102163419.E4A6018764C@autox.team.net>

After the first race following a rebuild (switch from non-synthetic 
to synthetic), then at the end of the season (drain it before the 
next rebuild).  I rebuild each season whether it needs it or not.

Tony Drews

At 09:24 AM 11/2/2011, Steven Belfer wrote:
>As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....
>
>
>How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?
>
>
>~Steve
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From jhouathome at aol.com  Wed Nov  2 10:36:27 2011
From: jhouathome at aol.com (John Houlton)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:36:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
In-Reply-To: <50C5EDA9D6C8433DBAAF4FF1FD22182A@gdhs.local>
References: <50C5EDA9D6C8433DBAAF4FF1FD22182A@gdhs.local>
Message-ID: <8CE6794B3EBBACE-19D0-5F730@webmail-m164.sysops.aol.com>

After each and every engine failure, without exception!  Just kidding.  Every
race if I ran the complete weekend, every session.  If I miss a few sessions
or it is a short schedule, I'll go 2 weekends.
John



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s the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....

ow frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?

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From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 11:16:07 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 10:16:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <F05D1735C9EC4223B2FA8B4FAB2CB809@Bud>

I change Mobil 15-50synthetic oil once per season(4-6 races)..(unless 
something has happened)...When i used regular racing oil I changed every 
race..
RB
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Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval


> As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....
>
>
> How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?
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>
> ~Steve
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 11:19:05 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:19:05 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
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	<000401cc997b$96229e20$c267da60$@net>
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Isn't that too often?
Why should that be affordable?

Cheers
Chris

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Auftrag von Craig
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 17:22
An: 'Steven Belfer'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

After each race is a good time

Craig


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To: fot at autox.team.net Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 11:35:12 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:35:12 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval - ZDDP?
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
	<000401cc997b$96229e20$c267da60$@net> 
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It is very interesting to notice that in Europe there is almost no ZDDP
discussion.
Why is everybody in USA talking about ZDDP while in Europe there is almost
no interest in that stuff and about 99 percent of the vintage scene doesn't
know about existence.

Is ZDDP maybe replaced with better stuff and not needed anymore?

I run Castrol 10w60 or Liqui Moly 10w60 or Mobil1 5w50.
I have no idea if they contain ZDDP or not but I have no trouble with
tappets or cams.
And Larrys cam is really hard on that stuff.

So what is the secret with ZDDP?

Cheers
Chris


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An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

Isn't that too often?
Why should that be affordable?

Cheers
Chris

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An: 'Steven Belfer'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

After each race is a good time

Craig


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As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


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From barry at penybryn.ca  Wed Nov  2 12:30:45 2011
From: barry at penybryn.ca (Barry Munson)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:30:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW: FW: Crank-scraper Triumph TR7
Message-ID: <001601cc998d$8b5c1d10$a2145730$@ca>

Amici - FYI - if anyone is looking for a crank scraper-windage tray for a
TR7 engine Kevin is a useful resource to check out. I had him make a crank
scraper- windage tray and baffle for the TR3. Superb engineering, fit and
finish. Based on this product I ordered one for the Volvo. Absolutely no
NFI.
Barry.


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: November-02-11 11:17 AM
To: Barry Munson
Subject: RE: FW: Crank-scraper Triumph TR4 tracking number

Hi Barry,

Yours will be sent shortly (the fifth of seven sets that I have cut).   
Thanks for being patient.

If you know anyone with the TR-7 type engine, I am working on patterns  
for that.  Hopefully the head on the core I have will not be locked on.

Kind regards,

Kevin


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Quoting Barry Munson <barry at penybryn.ca>:

> Hi Kevin - Could you please give me an update on this order. Ordered
August
> 03, paid for August 04.
> Thanks.
> Barry.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Munson [mailto:barry at penybryn.ca]
> Sent: August-03-11 10:49 AM
> To: 'Kevin Johnson'
> Subject: RE: FW: Crank-scraper Triumph TR4 tracking number
>
> Hi Kevin - Thanks for the information below. I would like to order both
the
> windage tray and scraper for the Volvo B20 engine. Do still have my card
> info, if not, I'll phone it in. Could you please give me an estimated
> delivery time - only have one race left this season so this will be part
of
> the winter rebuild.
> Thanks.
> Barry.
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> Sent: April-17-11 12:33 PM
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> Subject: RE: FW: Crank-scraper Triumph TR4 tracking number
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> Hi Barry,
>
> I have attached a pic of the windage tray for that engine ($199.95) and
the
> website shows the general steel dual scraper (look at the B230 but the
> counterweight cutouts are a little different) $109.95.
> http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Volvo.html
>
> The P1800 is a nice car design.
>
> Shipping weight will probably be about 8 pounds.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
>
> --
> Ishihara-Johnson Crank Scrapers
> Http://www.crank-scrapers.com
> (727) 808-8602
> (727) 868-3013 FAX
>
>
> Quoting Barry Munson <barry at penybryn.ca>:
>
>> Hi Kevin - Thanks for the info. Everything fits perfectly. Once the new
> oil
>> pump pickup arrives from Greg Solow I may have one additional question.
>> This is one fine "piece of kit". So much so that I would like to do
>> something similar to my primary race car (this is the car that has been
>> getting the living snot beat out of it every year since 1980)  - a 1970
>> Volvo P1800 with a B20 motor. I noticed on your web site that you have
>> developed something for this application. Could you please provide me
with
>> what you would recommend and a quote for the options.
>> Thanks very much.
>> Barry.


From harmug at us.ibm.com  Wed Nov  2 12:36:56 2011
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 14:36:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 60, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7393.1320254174.2939.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OFD0F55A09.582DF62F-ON8525793C.0065ADEB-8525793C.006642A2@us.ibm.com>

"How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?"

Never, it's British. I just keep it full, draining the old oil is done by
design.

mike


G. Michael Harmuth


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 13:02:02 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 20:02:02 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval - ZDDP?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74026849CC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net><000401cc997b$96229e20$c267da60$@net>
	<002301cc9985$c98cf4e0$5ca6dea0$@com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74026849CC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <002d01cc9991$e90f1850$bb2d48f0$@com>

Maybe.
I have no idea if there is ZDDP in full synthetic oils I run.

But the main difference between US and EU is the cam design.
We run flat cams and flat tappets while in USA there are most cams cone
grinds with domed tappets.
Maybe these US versions of cams and tappets need ZDDP?

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 19:23
An: MadMarx
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Oil Change Interval - ZDDP?

Maybe it was never taken out of your oils?

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:35 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval - ZDDP?

It is very interesting to notice that in Europe there is almost no ZDDP
discussion.
Why is everybody in USA talking about ZDDP while in Europe there is
almost
no interest in that stuff and about 99 percent of the vintage scene
doesn't
know about existence.

Is ZDDP maybe replaced with better stuff and not needed anymore?

I run Castrol 10w60 or Liqui Moly 10w60 or Mobil1 5w50.
I have no idea if they contain ZDDP or not but I have no trouble with
tappets or cams.
And Larrys cam is really hard on that stuff.

So what is the secret with ZDDP?

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 18:19
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

Isn't that too often?
Why should that be affordable?

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Craig
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 17:22
An: 'Steven Belfer'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

After each race is a good time

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Steven Belfer
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:24 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 13:15:56 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:15:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
In-Reply-To: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1234495485.1422200.1320261356359.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

On Lake Speed's advice ( Works for Joe Gibbs ) I change my filter every weekend and oil every third weekend. 

We had a conversation about average run time over a race weekend and this is what he suggested. 

He also said it was important to change the filter right after you run in a new cam ( 20 min runtime ) 



Jim g 



----- Original Message -----


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To: "fot at autox.team.net Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 8:24:26 AM 
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval 

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on.... 


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter? 


~Steve 
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Nov  2 13:55:18 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:55:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] [6pack]   Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com>
	<013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>

Google "ZDDP"

You'll get so much information, your head will explode.

Executive summary: yes, there is a correlation. The summary of the 
correlation is that without ZDDP in break-in, cam failure is certain. 
THere may be supporting data that without ZDDP during normal use that 
failure probable - all things considered.

But there are other factors for excessive cam wear and you need to account 
for ALL of them. Material surface hardness, proper materials in the first 
place, proper break-in, proper valve spring pressure, proper rocker 
geometry and so forth.

regards,
rml
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2011, Ruffner, James A *HS wrote:

> Does anyone know what the correlation is between cam wear and the zinc
> additive?  I do not remember ever having heard of this.
> ________________________________________
> From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> Irv Korey [emanteno at comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 7:38 PM
> To: DJFidler at rogers.com
> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net; REK46 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [6pack] [Fot]  Zinc Additive.
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:36 PM, David Fidler <DJFidler at rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> Brad Penn is still sold under the Kendall GR-1 name in Canada, available
>> from Crescent Oil in Hamilton, ON.
>>
>
>
> According to the Brad Penn website, the Kendall name was sold to a 3rd
> party when the refinery was sold. Because of that, the oil from that
> refinery had to be
> re-named, and they came up with Brad Penn. Kendall GR-1 may still be
> available, but unless they are buying it from the company that
> owns Brad Penn, it isn't the same oil that it used to be. NFI
>
> http://www.penngrade1.com/History.aspx
>
> Irv Korey
> 74 TR6 CF22767U
> Highland Park, IL
>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Nov  2 14:00:39 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:00:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval - ZDDP?
In-Reply-To: <002301cc9985$c98cf4e0$5ca6dea0$@com>
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
	<000401cc997b$96229e20$c267da60$@net> 
	<002301cc9985$c98cf4e0$5ca6dea0$@com>
Message-ID: <084001cc999a$18847910$498d6b30$@rr.com>

> It is very interesting to notice that in Europe there is almost no ZDDP
> discussion.

I could be mistaken, but I believe it is just starting over there, much like
the debate over lead in fuel started 20 years later in Europe than in the
US.  For example,
http://www.millersoils.net/1_downloads/literature/general/ZDDP.pdf

-- Randall 


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 14:26:38 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 21:26:38 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
In-Reply-To: <1234495485.1422200.1320261356359.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
	<1234495485.1422200.1320261356359.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <004601cc999d$bb8c6fc0$32a54f40$@com>

" He also said it was important to change the filter right after you run in
a new cam ( 20 min runtime )"

That is an interesting statement. Why this?
On a new cam should be NO wear.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 20:16
An: Steven Belfer
Cc: fot at autox.team.net Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

On Lake Speed's advice ( Works for Joe Gibbs ) I change my filter every
weekend and oil every third weekend.

We had a conversation about average run time over a race weekend and this is
what he suggested.

He also said it was important to change the filter right after you run in a
new cam ( 20 min runtime )



Jim g



----- Original Message -----


From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "fot at autox.team.net Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 8:24:26 AM
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 14:42:28 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 20:42:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
In-Reply-To: <004601cc999d$bb8c6fc0$32a54f40$@com>
Message-ID: <870637209.1426774.1320266548877.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I don't think he was worried about the cam generating debris or particulates,
I think it was intended to remove any

particulates that might be created by normal initial break in.



jim g



----- Original Message -----


From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net, "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 2:26:38 PM
Subject: AW: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

" He also said it was important to change the filter right after you run in
a new cam ( 20 min runtime )"

That is an interesting statement. Why this?
On a new cam should be NO wear.

Cheers
Chris

-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 20:16
An: Steven Belfer
Cc: fot at autox.team.net Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

On Lake Speed's advice ( Works for Joe Gibbs ) I change my filter every
weekend and oil every third weekend.

We had a conversation about average run time over a race weekend and this is
what he suggested.

He also said it was important to change the filter right after you run in a
new cam ( 20 min runtime )



Jim g



----- Original Message -----


From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "fot at autox.team.net Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 8:24:26 AM
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 14:58:56 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 21:58:56 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
In-Reply-To: <870637209.1426774.1320266548877.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <004601cc999d$bb8c6fc0$32a54f40$@com>
	<870637209.1426774.1320266548877.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <005d01cc99a2$3deac710$b9c05530$@com>

Well, after a short warming up to retorque the head nuts I go for a ride with
high reves and lots of full throttle.

No time to change oil. The oil remains in the engine for the season.





Von: toodamnfunky at comcast.net [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 21:42
An: MadMarx
Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Steven Belfer
Betreff: Re: AW: [Fot] Oil Change Interval



I don't think he was worried about the cam generating debris or particulates,
I think it was intended to remove any

particulates that might be created by normal initial break in.



jim g

  _____

From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net, "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 2:26:38 PM
Subject: AW: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

" He also said it was important to change the filter right after you run in
a new cam ( 20 min runtime )"

That is an interesting statement. Why this?
On a new cam should be NO wear.

Cheers
Chris

-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 20:16
An: Steven Belfer
Cc: fot at autox.team.net Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

On Lake Speed's advice ( Works for Joe Gibbs ) I change my filter every
weekend and oil every third weekend.

We had a conversation about average run time over a race weekend and this is
what he suggested.

He also said it was important to change the filter right after you run in a
new cam ( 20 min runtime )



Jim g



----- Original Message -----


From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "fot at autox.team.net Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 8:24:26 AM
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 15:10:06 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 22:10:06 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval - ZDDP?
In-Reply-To: <084001cc999a$18847910$498d6b30$@rr.com>
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
	<000401cc997b$96229e20$c267da60$@net>
	<002301cc9985$c98cf4e0$5ca6dea0$@com>
	<084001cc999a$18847910$498d6b30$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <006801cc99a3$ce8cba70$6ba62f50$@com>

You're right with lead and fuel as US cars had converters very early.
But I think that the pollution laws in Europe (especially Germany) are now
much more strict than in USA.
With green technique Germany is far ahead of every nation at the moment.
Even our vintage race cars run converters :-) - Exception - F1 are allowed
to run without.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Randall
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 21:01
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval - ZDDP?

> It is very interesting to notice that in Europe there is almost no ZDDP
> discussion.

I could be mistaken, but I believe it is just starting over there, much like
the debate over lead in fuel started 20 years later in Europe than in the
US.  For example,
http://www.millersoils.net/1_downloads/literature/general/ZDDP.pdf

-- Randall
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Nov  2 15:16:11 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:16:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com><013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com><9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8CE67BBC7EB878E-FD0-145A5E@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com>

 Use of bronze guides is or can be an issue here.

ESPECIALLY those not properly clearanced.

It ALSO seems that cast iron guides are 'slippery' while bronze can create
added friction and wear.

We dont use bronze guides anymore.









-----Original Message-----
From: Robert M. Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: Ruffner, James A *HS <JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu>
Cc: 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>; REK46
<REK46 at aol.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 4:04 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] [Fot]  Zinc Additive.


Google "ZDDP"

You'll get so much information, your head will explode.

Executive summary: yes, there is a correlation. The summary of the
correlation is that without ZDDP in break-in, cam failure is certain.
THere may be supporting data that without ZDDP during normal use that
failure probable - all things considered.

But there are other factors for excessive cam wear and you need to account
for ALL of them. Material surface hardness, proper materials in the first
place, proper break-in, proper valve spring pressure, proper rocker
geometry and so forth.

regards,
rml
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2011, Ruffner, James A *HS wrote:

> Does anyone know what the correlation is between cam wear and the zinc
> additive?  I do not remember ever having heard of this.
> ________________________________________
> From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of
> Irv Korey [emanteno at comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 7:38 PM
> To: DJFidler at rogers.com
> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net; REK46 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [6pack] [Fot]  Zinc Additive.
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:36 PM, David Fidler <DJFidler at rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> Brad Penn is still sold under the Kendall GR-1 name in Canada, available
>> from Crescent Oil in Hamilton, ON.
>>
>
>
> According to the Brad Penn website, the Kendall name was sold to a 3rd
> party when the refinery was sold. Because of that, the oil from that
> refinery had to be
> re-named, and they came up with Brad Penn. Kendall GR-1 may still be
> available, but unless they are buying it from the company that
> owns Brad Penn, it isn't the same oil that it used to be. NFI
>
> http://www.penngrade1.com/History.aspx
>
> Irv Korey
> 74 TR6 CF22767U
> Highland Park, IL
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  2 15:33:16 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 22:33:16 +0100
Subject: [Fot] [6pack]   Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com>
	<013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <007001cc99a7$09de3f10$1d9abd30$@com>

Yes - google finds loads of info about this.

But I think that if ZDDP would so important than loads of engines - even
modern engines - would fail with cam trouble.
The design has not changed much over the last 50 years.

I believe in problems with geometry of the cam/tappet design as cause for
all this trouble, as my cam problem was solved with grinding the tappets
flat.
Before that I lost 3 cams.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Robert M. Lang
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 20:55
An: Ruffner, James A *HS
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net; Irv Korey; fot at autox.team.net; DJFidler at rogers.com
Betreff: Re: [Fot] [6pack] Zinc Additive.

Google "ZDDP"

You'll get so much information, your head will explode.

Executive summary: yes, there is a correlation. The summary of the
correlation is that without ZDDP in break-in, cam failure is certain.
THere may be supporting data that without ZDDP during normal use that
failure probable - all things considered.

But there are other factors for excessive cam wear and you need to account
for ALL of them. Material surface hardness, proper materials in the first
place, proper break-in, proper valve spring pressure, proper rocker
geometry and so forth.

regards,
rml
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2011, Ruffner, James A *HS wrote:

> Does anyone know what the correlation is between cam wear and the zinc
> additive?  I do not remember ever having heard of this.
> ________________________________________
> From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of
> Irv Korey [emanteno at comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 7:38 PM
> To: DJFidler at rogers.com
> Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net; REK46 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [6pack] [Fot]  Zinc Additive.
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:36 PM, David Fidler <DJFidler at rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> Brad Penn is still sold under the Kendall GR-1 name in Canada, available
>> from Crescent Oil in Hamilton, ON.
>>
>
>
> According to the Brad Penn website, the Kendall name was sold to a 3rd
> party when the refinery was sold. Because of that, the oil from that
> refinery had to be
> re-named, and they came up with Brad Penn. Kendall GR-1 may still be
> available, but unless they are buying it from the company that
> owns Brad Penn, it isn't the same oil that it used to be. NFI
>
> http://www.penngrade1.com/History.aspx
>
> Irv Korey
> 74 TR6 CF22767U
> Highland Park, IL
>
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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 17:34:05 2011
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:34:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval
In-Reply-To: <001f01cc9983$8773cae0$965b60a0$@com>
References: <9EA5E40B-1621-4D13-8F04-1220B931A757@earthlink.net>
	<000401cc997b$96229e20$c267da60$@net>
	<001f01cc9983$8773cae0$965b60a0$@com>
Message-ID: <001701cc99b7$e9989e60$bcc9db20$@net>

Back in the day we pull engine and go though it

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 1:19 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

Isn't that too often?
Why should that be affordable?

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Craig
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. November 2011 17:22
An: 'Steven Belfer'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

After each race is a good time

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Steven Belfer
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:24 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Oil Change Interval

As the oil choice / zddp debate presses on....


How frequently do you change the engine oil and or filter?


~Steve
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  2 21:21:08 2011
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 20:21:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: [ISOA] RTA
Message-ID: <1320290468.12800.YahooMailRC@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Friends - I will be moving my street TR4 to Rogersville in Northeastern
Tennessee as 

soon as the transport can be arranged.  Dick Burdette (ISOA)
and I are going to 
start the Rogersville Triumph Association.  This area has
some of the best 
driving roads for our cars - a perfect location for a long
vacation or a 
retirement.
If anyone has an empty trailer going that way in
the next six months please let 
me know.

Thanks
Dennis DeLap here in
Illinois


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Nov  2 23:15:56 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 23:15:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fw: [ISOA] RTA
In-Reply-To: <1320290468.12800.YahooMailRC@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1320290468.12800.YahooMailRC@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4EB2238C.2040009@bradakis.com>

RTA?  I would have called it

Rogersville
Association of
Triumphs


mjb.


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Nov  3 06:35:26 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 05:35:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013 (AP)
Message-ID: <1320323726.59420.YahooMailClassic@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Friends: Don't know if any of you had heard this. I just had a chance to read
the AP posting my son sent me. Knowing I come from that area he knew I would
be interested. The reporter that filed the article must not be from the area
or he would have known and mentioned the very rich racing past of neighboring
Paterson, N.J., home of Hincliffe Stadium. Patterson had it's own, now
historic Gasoline Alley which was home to many champ car drivers of the
'50's...Bill Shindler, Dutch Shaffer, Phil Walters (AKA Ted Tappet), and of
course, my dad.
Question this raises in my mind. If Austin has the 2012 race; and N.J. has the
race in 2013 or 2014 which will be called the America Grand Prix, what is
going to happen to the Austin race when the N.J. race starts?
All random morning thoughts.
-Ed-
 

--- On Mon, 10/24/11, Joshua <josh817 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Joshua <josh817 at gmail.com>
Subject: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013 (AP)
To: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
Date: Monday, October 24, 2011, 6:03 PM



http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/topstories/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/2
0111024/ap_on_sp_au_ra_ne/car_f1_formula_one_new_jersey


From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Nov  3 07:54:01 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 13:54:01 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013  (AP)
In-Reply-To: <1320323726.59420.YahooMailClassic@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1320323726.59420.YahooMailClassic@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W12C639764C6A4D8750CA1DFD50@phx.gbl>

It was addressed by Bernie and he says here will be TWO raaces in the USA.

Never be beaten by equipment
 > Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 05:35:26 -0700
> From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Fw: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013 (AP)
>
> Friends: Don't know if any of you had heard this. I just had a chance to
read
> the AP posting my son sent me. Knowing I come from that area he knew I
would
> be interested. The reporter that filed the article must not be from the
area
> or he would have known and mentioned the very rich racing past of
neighboring
> Paterson, N.J., home of Hincliffe Stadium. Patterson had it's own, now
> historic Gasoline Alley which was home to many champ car drivers of the
> '50's...Bill Shindler, Dutch Shaffer, Phil Walters (AKA Ted Tappet), and of
> course, my dad.
> Question this raises in my mind. If Austin has the 2012 race; and N.J. has
the
> race in 2013 or 2014 which will be called the America Grand Prix, what is
> going to happen to the Austin race when the N.J. race starts?
> All random morning thoughts.
> -Ed-
>
>
> --- On Mon, 10/24/11, Joshua <josh817 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Joshua <josh817 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013 (AP)
> To: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
> Date: Monday, October 24, 2011, 6:03 PM
>
>
>
>
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/topstories/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/2
> 0111024/ap_on_sp_au_ra_ne/car_f1_formula_one_new_jersey
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov  3 08:12:08 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 10:12:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <8CE6845D8365DBA-654-68BA1@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com><013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com><9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>
	<8CE67BBC7EB878E-FD0-145A5E@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com>
	<2ae8faca-232d-4890-b510-4ad40f846447@blur>
	<8CE684338A8E3D7-654-6868B@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CE6845D8365DBA-654-68BA1@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CE6849B52CA5F1-654-692AC@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>

Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 8:25 am
Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES


 FROM TED SCHUMACHER:

Why dont you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?


Ted,

I discussed with highly regarded performance engine shop.
Whenever they encounter bronze guides they clearance them.
If it doesnt get done, there is a danger of seizing.....which can get very
hard on lifters and cams.

Some engineering folks tell me that cast iron guides provide superior
performance.
And say that bronze cause more heat/friction/wear......................

This and observing various failures over the years caused me change.
Certainly it is the right decision for me.

Others may have a different conclusion and I would invite them to discuss on
this list.

I have long suspected that there have been a lot of failures attributed to
'soft lifters', and faulty cams, when it may have been caused by seizing of
valves or severe drag in bronze guides.

Thanks for asking Ted.   It seems like it is an important subject for this
list.

Joe Alexander







-----Original Message-----
From: tedsimx <tedsimx at bright.net>
To: n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 8:54 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.


Why don't you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?  Ted


Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless


-----Original message-----

From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: lang at isis.mit.edu,  JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 21:16:11 GMT+00:00
Subject: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.


 Use of bronze guides is or can be an issue here.

ESPECIALLY those not properly clearanced.

It ALSO seems that cast iron guides are 'slippery' while bronze can create
added friction and wear.

We dont use bronze guides anymore.


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu Nov  3 08:57:24 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 07:57:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013  (AP)
References: <1320323726.59420.YahooMailClassic@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E6F4F7DA324246269F49B1C525E88522@Charly>

This should answer most of the questions.

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-formula-one-to-race-in-new-jersey-in-2013/
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-speed-qa-bob-varsha-discusses-new-jersey-gp/
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-sport-should-have-even-more-us-races-bernie-ecclestone/
http://my.speedtv.com/go/thread/view/55846/28602253/A_US_GP_in_Jersey


Charly Mitchel


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:35 AM
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013 (AP)


> Friends: Don't know if any of you had heard this. I just had a chance to 
> read
> the AP posting my son sent me. Knowing I come from that area he knew I 
> would
> be interested. The reporter that filed the article must not be from the 
> area
> or he would have known and mentioned the very rich racing past of 
> neighboring
> Paterson, N.J., home of Hincliffe Stadium. Patterson had it's own, now
> historic Gasoline Alley which was home to many champ car drivers of the
> '50's...Bill Shindler, Dutch Shaffer, Phil Walters (AKA Ted Tappet), and 
> of
> course, my dad.
> Question this raises in my mind. If Austin has the 2012 race; and N.J. has 
> the
> race in 2013 or 2014 which will be called the America Grand Prix, what is
> going to happen to the Austin race when the N.J. race starts?
> All random morning thoughts.
> -Ed-


From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Nov  3 10:06:58 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 09:06:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <8CE6849B52CA5F1-654-692AC@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com><013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com><9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu><Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu><8CE67BBC7EB878E-FD0-145A5E@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com><2ae8faca-232d-4890-b510-4ad40f846447@blur><8CE684338A8E3D7-654-6868B@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com><8CE6845D8365DBA-654-68BA1@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CE6849B52CA5F1-654-692AC@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <04a501cc9a42$9d8e00b0$0501a8c0@randall>

> I discussed with highly regarded performance engine shop.
> Whenever they encounter bronze guides they clearance them.
> If it doesnt get done, there is a danger of seizing...

I agree.

The problem is that the bronze has a higher rate of thermal expansion than
the cast iron head, plus is softer/weaker.  So as the guide & head heat up,
the bronze tries to expand faster than the cast iron hole in the head.
Since the hole is stronger, the bronze expands inward into the valve stem
bore and closes up the clearance.  The only solution is extra clearance
(which means they leak oil and don't guide the valve as well when cold).

And since the guide also carries heat away from the valve, the problem gets
worst at sustained full power.

I believe the bronze wears slower in service (if it gets adequate
lubrication), but since you have to ream them oversize, the advantage is
lost.  In effect, you have to install them pre-worn.

-- Randall  


From tlizzard at msn.com  Thu Nov  3 10:18:31 2011
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 12:18:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Official: Formula 1 race coming to NJ in 2013   (AP)
In-Reply-To: <1320323726.59420.YahooMailClassic@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT120-W12C639764C6A4D8750CA1DFD50@phx.gbl>
References: <1320323726.59420.YahooMailClassic@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT120-W12C639764C6A4D8750CA1DFD50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY164-ds20B82A6DEB8766F05BEE65C3D50@phx.gbl>

No doubt in my mind that the United States should have two Grands Prix.  We
have the population and geographic separation to support it.

Now, we need someone to pony up the cash and form a proper US based Formula
One constructor.

We have the talent here.


Terry Stetler


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu Nov  3 11:39:28 2011
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 12:39:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <8CE6849B52CA5F1-654-692AC@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com><013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com><9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>
	<8CE67BBC7EB878E-FD0-145A5E@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com>
	<2ae8faca-232d-4890-b510-4ad40f846447@blur>
	<8CE684338A8E3D7-654-6868B@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CE6845D8365DBA-654-68BA1@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CE6849B52CA5F1-654-692AC@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EB2D1D0.9050200@bright.net>

Joe,the engine shop is correct. Bronze guides should always be 
clearanced.  But that is an indictment on whom ever did the head, not 
the guides themselves. For the past several years, lifter have been a 
serious issue. We  used to bring in Spit/TR6/etc lifters, #143552 by the 
hundered through theearly-mid'90's. Then they started to go down hill. 
We have Rockwell checked new  lifters that have gone all the way down to 
a 28. 39 - 41 is fairly common.Minimum hardness should be at least 55 or 
greater.  There have been several fixes tried including using different 
size lifters such as Ford.  Problem here is the lifter bore on a 
Spit/TR6engine is at a 4.5 degree slant so boring it out correctly is 
not easy(or inexpensive).  The most consistent lifter supply we have 
found is reconditioning used lifters. They Rockwell test each lifter and 
if it is a minimum of 55 and can be saved, it is reconditioned. We 
rebuild a lot of heads and engines and new engine start-up procedure is 
still the major factor in the equation.Ted




On 11/3/2011 9:12 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 8:25 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
>
>
>   FROM TED SCHUMACHER:
>
> Why dont you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?
>
>
> Ted,
>
> I discussed with highly regarded performance engine shop.
> Whenever they encounter bronze guides they clearance them.
> If it doesnt get done, there is a danger of seizing.....which can get very
> hard on lifters and cams.
>
> Some engineering folks tell me that cast iron guides provide superior
> performance.
> And say that bronze cause more heat/friction/wear......................
>
> This and observing various failures over the years caused me change.
> Certainly it is the right decision for me.
>
> Others may have a different conclusion and I would invite them to discuss on
> this list.
>
> I have long suspected that there have been a lot of failures attributed to
> 'soft lifters', and faulty cams, when it may have been caused by seizing of
> valves or severe drag in bronze guides.
>
> Thanks for asking Ted.   It seems like it is an important subject for this
> list.
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tedsimx<tedsimx at bright.net>
> To: n197tr4<n197tr4 at cs.com>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 8:54 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.
>
>
> Why don't you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?  Ted
>
>
> Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> To: lang at isis.mit.edu,  JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 21:16:11 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.
>
>
>   Use of bronze guides is or can be an issue here.
>
> ESPECIALLY those not properly clearanced.
>
> It ALSO seems that cast iron guides are 'slippery' while bronze can create
> added friction and wear.
>
> We dont use bronze guides anymore.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US&  Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov  3 12:01:38 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 14:01:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <4EB2D1D0.9050200@bright.net>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com><013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com><9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu>
	<8CE67BBC7EB878E-FD0-145A5E@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com>
	<2ae8faca-232d-4890-b510-4ad40f846447@blur>
	<8CE684338A8E3D7-654-6868B@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CE6845D8365DBA-654-68BA1@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CE6849B52CA5F1-654-692AC@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<4EB2D1D0.9050200@bright.net>
Message-ID: <8CE6869C4023649-654-6D239@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>

 yes, i would prefer quality lifters.

and we recondition lifters for ourselves

but your question was on bronze guides.

not using bronze guides gives us one less thing to be concerned about.






-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Schumacher <tedtsimx at bright.net>
To: n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>; FOT <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 12:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES


Joe,the engine shop is correct. Bronze guides should always be
clearanced.  But that is an indictment on whom ever did the head, not
the guides themselves. For the past several years, lifter have been a
serious issue. We  used to bring in Spit/TR6/etc lifters, #143552 by the
hundered through theearly-mid'90's. Then they started to go down hill.
We have Rockwell checked new  lifters that have gone all the way down to
a 28. 39 - 41 is fairly common.Minimum hardness should be at least 55 or
greater.  There have been several fixes tried including using different
size lifters such as Ford.  Problem here is the lifter bore on a
Spit/TR6engine is at a 4.5 degree slant so boring it out correctly is
not easy(or inexpensive).  The most consistent lifter supply we have
found is reconditioning used lifters. They Rockwell test each lifter and
if it is a minimum of 55 and can be saved, it is reconditioned. We
rebuild a lot of heads and engines and new engine start-up procedure is
still the major factor in the equation.Ted




On 11/3/2011 9:12 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
> Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 8:25 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
>
>
>   FROM TED SCHUMACHER:
>
> Why dont you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?
>
>
> Ted,
>
> I discussed with highly regarded performance engine shop.
> Whenever they encounter bronze guides they clearance them.
> If it doesnt get done, there is a danger of seizing.....which can get very
> hard on lifters and cams.
>
> Some engineering folks tell me that cast iron guides provide superior
> performance.
> And say that bronze cause more heat/friction/wear......................
>
> This and observing various failures over the years caused me change.
> Certainly it is the right decision for me.
>
> Others may have a different conclusion and I would invite them to discuss
on
> this list.
>
> I have long suspected that there have been a lot of failures attributed to
> 'soft lifters', and faulty cams, when it may have been caused by seizing of
> valves or severe drag in bronze guides.
>
> Thanks for asking Ted.   It seems like it is an important subject for this
> list.
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tedsimx<tedsimx at bright.net>
> To: n197tr4<n197tr4 at cs.com>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 8:54 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.
>
>
> Why don't you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?  Ted
>
>
> Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> To: lang at isis.mit.edu,  JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 21:16:11 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.
>
>
>   Use of bronze guides is or can be an issue here.
>
> ESPECIALLY those not properly clearanced.
>
> It ALSO seems that cast iron guides are 'slippery' while bronze can create
> added friction and wear.
>
> We dont use bronze guides anymore.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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>


--
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US&  Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From cofrog at q.com  Thu Nov  3 14:06:13 2011
From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 16:06:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Valve Guides
In-Reply-To: <225817023.452311.1320350654737.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <70034964.452425.1320350773748.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com>

I see no advantage is using the bronze valve guides, especially considering the obvious down sides per Randall and Joe's input. Clearancing the bronze guides may be "common knowledge" to those having some experience with our motors but what of folks that have none? Even if a machine shop recognizes that bronze guides need clearancing would they assume the parts supplier were providing proper clearanced ones? I can see folks seeing the bronze units are more expensive and. they assume them to be superior to the iron ones. I've never seen any documentation from the suppliers of the bronze guides warning the buyer to modify their brand new parts before using them. 

I've run iron guides in the TR4 street car for years upon years w/o having to replace them and also run them in the TR4 race car which never has the mileage to wear them out anyway Too many pitfalls for no real gain over the stock ones. 

Dan Forgey 


From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Thu Nov  3 15:35:33 2011
From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 14:35:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com><013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>,
	<CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com><9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B01574178FF05@HSCSEMAIL41.h
	scs.virginia.edu><Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111021550290.1664@isis.mit.edu><8CE67BBC7EB878E-FD0-145A5E@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com><2ae8f
	aca-232d-4890-b510-4ad40f846447@blur><8CE684338A8E3D7-654-6868B@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com><8CE6845D8365DBA-654-68BA1@angweb-
	usd022.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CE6849B52CA5F1-654-692AC@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <24F3AAADB19843A58423FD4ADE3CA24C@TER2>

We have found that Manganese-Bronze guides have greater "lubricity"  (are 
more slippery) and last longer while causing less wear of the valve stem 
than cast or "chilled" iron guides. The issue is clearance between the valve 
guide and the stem. The bronze guide material has a much greater coefficient 
of expansion than does iron. When an bronze guide is used in an iron head, 
as the head gets hot, the material of the guide wants to expand. It cannot 
expand outward because it is "captured" by the iron head all around it. 
Consequently it grows inward, reducing the clearance between the id. of the 
guide and the valve stem. We have had valves get stuck in bronze guides in 
iron TR head and others as well. The fix is the correct amount of clearance. 
In a TR-4 iron head, in a racing application, ie hard use, high 
temperatures, 5/16" stem inlet valves need .0015" to .002" stem to guide 
clearance, exhaust valves with 5/16" diameter stems need .002" to .0025" 
clearance. We DO NOT USE VALVE STEM SEALS. It is not necessary with even 
increased oil delivery to the valve gear.  We get much longer life out of 
the Manganese-Bronze guides than with any iron guides we have used and with 
these clearances you will not have any seizure problems.
                                                                             
                                    Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 7:12 AM
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive. now use of BRONZE GUIDES


> Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 8:25 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
>
>
> FROM TED SCHUMACHER:
>
> Why dont you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?
>
>
> Ted,
>
> I discussed with highly regarded performance engine shop.
> Whenever they encounter bronze guides they clearance them.
> If it doesnt get done, there is a danger of seizing.....which can get very
> hard on lifters and cams.
>
> Some engineering folks tell me that cast iron guides provide superior
> performance.
> And say that bronze cause more heat/friction/wear......................
>
> This and observing various failures over the years caused me change.
> Certainly it is the right decision for me.
>
> Others may have a different conclusion and I would invite them to discuss 
> on
> this list.
>
> I have long suspected that there have been a lot of failures attributed to
> 'soft lifters', and faulty cams, when it may have been caused by seizing 
> of
> valves or severe drag in bronze guides.
>
> Thanks for asking Ted.   It seems like it is an important subject for this
> list.
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tedsimx <tedsimx at bright.net>
> To: n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 8:54 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.
>
>
> Why don't you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?  Ted
>
>
> Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> To: lang at isis.mit.edu,  JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 21:16:11 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.
>
>
> Use of bronze guides is or can be an issue here.
>
> ESPECIALLY those not properly clearanced.
>
> It ALSO seems that cast iron guides are 'slippery' while bronze can create
> added friction and wear.
>
> We dont use bronze guides anymore.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Thu Nov  3 17:41:40 2011
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 16:41:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
In-Reply-To: <70034964.452425.1320350773748.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com>
References: <70034964.452425.1320350773748.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <1320363700.93920.YahooMailRC@web180602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for autocross, etc.  I would like to rip out
all 
of the stock wiring and install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
only need 
to service the following:

ignition switch
starter motor
electronic
ignition
altenator 
two radiator fans
three gauges
  temp
  volts
  oil
(manual)
kill switch

Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.

Thanks,
Jim


From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Nov  3 18:44:16 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 17:44:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
In-Reply-To: <1320363700.93920.YahooMailRC@web180602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <70034964.452425.1320350773748.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com>
	<1320363700.93920.YahooMailRC@web180602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FD701BF9C9D34B7B9608492A6CA85F84@Vista>

Make it up yourself.  Couldn't be all that hard!

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of sherry robyn
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:42 PM
To: triumph fot
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness

I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for autocross, etc.  I would like to rip out
all 
of the stock wiring and install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
only need 
to service the following:

ignition switch
starter motor
electronic
ignition
altenator 
two radiator fans
three gauges
  temp
  volts
  oil
(manual)
kill switch

Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.

Thanks,
Jim
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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Nov  3 19:48:57 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 18:48:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
References: <70034964.452425.1320350773748.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com><1320363700.93920.YahooMailRC@web180602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<FD701BF9C9D34B7B9608492A6CA85F84@Vista>
Message-ID: <3035099FCA8746BFB2B82AA6E7AD6A3C@Bud>

Jim...I say leave the harness in....unless you're going to make it road 
racer..The reason is: when the time comes to sell the car, it will have all 
of the necessary wiring for the street.
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: "'sherry robyn'" <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; "'triumph fot'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness


> Make it up yourself.  Couldn't be all that hard!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of sherry robyn
> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:42 PM
> To: triumph fot
> Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
>
> I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for autocross, etc.  I would like to rip 
> out
> all
> of the stock wiring and install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
> only need
> to service the following:
>
> ignition switch
> starter motor
> electronic
> ignition
> altenator
> two radiator fans
> three gauges
>  temp
>  volts
>  oil
> (manual)
> kill switch
>
> Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Nov  3 19:58:51 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 18:58:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <8CE6849B52CA5F1-654-692AC@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1320371931.23478.YahooMailClassic@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I agree with Greg's and Joe's findings 100%. We found that we had to clearence
them an extra .001 - .002". If not, the valves could stick. The problem seemed
to occur on fresh customer motors which only had a short break-in. One "6"
customer, after being told how to drive while putting the intial miles on the
engine, proceeded to blast out of the shop and could be heard going up the
highway ramp redlining through the gears. Within ten minutes he was back with
the engine having a terrible miss which turned out to be a bent pushrod. After
replacing the "faulty" part and readjusting the valves, he left, and could be
heard really breaking in his motor. Ten minutes later... another bent rod.
His was not the only engine to suffer our ignorance when we first started
using the bronze guides. It was always on fresh head jobs, and always as the
engine was going through warming up. I feel once the engine has reached temp
and everything has equalized the parts "get friendly" as they use to say.
JMTC
-Ed-  

--- On Thu, 11/3/11, n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:


From: n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive. now use of BRONZE GUIDES
To: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 9:12 AM


Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 8:25 am
Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES


FROM TED SCHUMACHER:

Why dont you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?


Ted,

I discussed with highly regarded performance engine shop.
Whenever they encounter bronze guides they clearance them.
If it doesnt get done, there is a danger of seizing.....which can get very
hard on lifters and cams.

Some engineering folks tell me that cast iron guides provide superior
performance.
And say that bronze cause more heat/friction/wear......................

This and observing various failures over the years caused me change.
Certainly it is the right decision for me.

Others may have a different conclusion and I would invite them to discuss on
this list.

I have long suspected that there have been a lot of failures attributed to
'soft lifters', and faulty cams, when it may have been caused by seizing of
valves or severe drag in bronze guides.

Thanks for asking Ted.   It seems like it is an important subject for this
list.

Joe Alexander







-----Original Message-----
From: tedsimx <tedsimx at bright.net>
To: n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 8:54 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.


Why don't you use bronze guides?  How did you come to this decision?  Ted


Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless


-----Original message-----

From: n197tr4 at cs.com
To: lang at isis.mit.edu,  JAR7U at hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 21:16:11 GMT+00:00
Subject: [Fot]   Zinc Additive.


Use of bronze guides is or can be an issue here.

ESPECIALLY those not properly clearanced.

It ALSO seems that cast iron guides are 'slippery' while bronze can create
added friction and wear.

We dont use bronze guides anymore.
_______________________________________________
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From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Thu Nov  3 20:21:24 2011
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 19:21:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
In-Reply-To: <3035099FCA8746BFB2B82AA6E7AD6A3C@Bud>
References: <70034964.452425.1320350773748.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com><1320363700.93920.YahooMailRC@web180602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<FD701BF9C9D34B7B9608492A6CA85F84@Vista>
	<3035099FCA8746BFB2B82AA6E7AD6A3C@Bud>
Message-ID: <1320373284.83505.YahooMailRC@web180616.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the responses.

This car is an exSCCA racer from the ninties (in
Hawaii no less so it has its 
share of Bondo).  Also, what they didn't take
off I did.  It is highly unlikely 
that it will ever see the street again.

As
to me making the harness, I have definitely thought of that but my auto
electrics are OK but not wonderful.  Most elements I understand with no
problem 
but many times I am hazy on some of the details.  If I had a
schematic, I would 
have no problem.

Jim
To: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>;
sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; 
triumph fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, November 3, 2011 6:48:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated
electrical harness

Jim...I say leave the harness in....unless you're going to
make it road 
racer..The reason is: when the time comes to sell the car, it
will have all 
of the necessary wiring for the street.
RB
----- Original
Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: "'sherry robyn'"
<sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; "'triumph fot'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical
harness


> Make it up yourself.  Couldn't be all that hard!
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of sherry robyn
> Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:42 PM
> To: triumph fot
> Subject: [Fot]
Abbreviated electrical harness
>
> I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for
autocross, etc.  I would like to rip 
> out
> all
> of the stock wiring and
install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
> only need
> to service the
following:
>
> ignition switch
> starter motor
> electronic
> ignition
>
altenator
> two radiator fans
> three gauges
>  temp
>  volts
>  oil
>
(manual)
> kill switch
>
> Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.
>
>
Thanks,
> Jim
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Thu Nov  3 23:14:45 2011
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 00:14:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Brake Caliper Clearance
Message-ID: <2BBD413D-F9B1-4BF1-A58B-94BF9F7DE822@aol.com>

Tonight I was replacing my front brake pads to a higher performance version in
preparation for a track day and encountered problems with  the RH side.  I
attempted to do this in situ.  LH side went well with the shims and pads going
in ok.  LH side has been problematic.  The outer pad falls in but the inner
one won't go in.  Took the caliper off and manually pushed the pistons in.
That didn't help.  Upon closer inspection, the caliper is not centered with
the rotor.  Has anyone else had this problem?  Should I shim the caliper to
gain clearance?  It needs to be moved to the center of the car.  This is on a
'72 TR6.  Should I just have a brake shop take off .010 of the pad and be done
with it?

TIA
Sam Clark


From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Fri Nov  4 00:42:21 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:42:21 +1000
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b2Uc25OBFfHeUFQL0K0X+GfWGm7uB+6E7hw--8MM_kVtw@mail.gmail.com>

in our engine shop, we avoid bronze guides unless we really have to use
them such as with some specially coated titanium valves

cast iron guides last for a very long time under very arduous conditions

about the only OE manufacturer that I've seen that routinely uses a bronze
guide is M Benz, and they are a very special product and only used in some
of their engines

not all bronze guides are equal. we have encountered numerous grades. all
of them are notoriously difficult to size. we have special tooling to deal
with them.

there is an argument that some types of bronze guides can run lower
clearances and therfore improve heat transfer from valve stem to guide. i
have never seen any documented or visual proof of this .

IMHO, especially with older cars like TR's, they are mostly a marketing
fad, with unscrupulous vendors appealing to the 'go faster" set

Terry


From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net  Fri Nov  4 07:47:12 2011
From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 06:47:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
In-Reply-To: <1320373284.83505.YahooMailRC@web180616.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <70034964.452425.1320350773748.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com><1320363700.93920.YahooMailRC@web180602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<FD701BF9C9D34B7B9608492A6CA85F84@Vista>
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Message-ID: <1320414432.78937.YahooMailRC@web180312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Try Painless Performance Products



----- Original Message ----
From: sherry
robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
To: RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>; Joe
Curry <spitlist at cox.net>; triumph fot 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu,
November 3, 2011 7:21:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
Thanks for the responses.

This car is an exSCCA racer from the ninties (in
Hawaii no less so it has its 
share of Bondo).  Also, what they didn't take
off I did.  It is highly unlikely 
that it will ever see the street again.

As
to me making the harness, I have definitely thought of that but my auto
electrics are OK but not wonderful.  Most elements I understand with no
problem 
but many times I am hazy on some of the details.  If I had a
schematic, I would 
have no problem.

Jim
To: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>;
sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; 
triumph fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, November 3, 2011 6:48:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated
electrical harness

Jim...I say leave the harness in....unless you're going to
make it road 
racer..The reason is: when the time comes to sell the car, it
will have all 
of the necessary wiring for the street.
RB
----- Original
Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: "'sherry robyn'"
<sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; "'triumph fot'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical
harness


> Make it up yourself.  Couldn't be all that hard!
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of sherry robyn
> Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:42 PM
> To: triumph fot
> Subject: [Fot]
Abbreviated electrical harness
>
> I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for
autocross, etc.  I would like to rip 
> out
> all
> of the stock wiring and
install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
> only need
> to service the
following:
>
> ignition switch
> starter motor
> electronic
> ignition
>
altenator
> two radiator fans
> three gauges
>  temp
>  volts
>  oil
>
(manual)
> kill switch
>
> Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.
>
>
Thanks,
> Jim
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Fri Nov  4 09:00:30 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:00:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
References: <70034964.452425.1320350773748.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com>
	<1320363700.93920.YahooMailRC@web180602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6F0B2E689D5943DBB5B770CF4E22D745@Charly>

I don't know if this would work for you, but what I did on my TR6 racecar
was take a decent harness and laid it on a bench and removed the wrapping.
I then proceeded to remove the unwanted wires and reuse wires for the
different functions such as fuel pump and ignition shutoff, electric fan
etc.
I then re-taped it and all the wires were the proper length and in the
proper places.  This was very easy and didn't take very long at all, and
since I was using the stock gauges, made it very easy.
Good luck,
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "sherry robyn" <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
To: "triumph fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:41 PM
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness


>I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for autocross, etc.  I would like to rip 
>out
> all
> of the stock wiring and install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
> only need
> to service the following:
>
> ignition switch
> starter motor
> electronic
> ignition
> altenator
> two radiator fans
> three gauges
>  temp
>  volts
>  oil
> (manual)
> kill switch
>
> Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Nov  4 09:04:50 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:04:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <2a680.60feec39.3be54f6d@aol.com>
References: <2a680.60feec39.3be54f6d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CE691A3BC0C3F8-2570-178BD2@webmail-d145.sysops.aol.com>

 Outstanding posts on this subject.

Thank you everyone.

RISK MANAGEMENT.....with the information made available, so far,  folks can
make a more intelligent decision about who they have do their heads and be
able to ask better questions.

Thanks again....keep the comments coming.   It's good to see the FOT LIST
alive and well.

It might be good to know the trusted source of the best bronze guides.

Joe A



-----Original Message-----
From: Gt6steve <Gt6steve at aol.com>
To: Gregmogdoc <Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>; n197tr4
<n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 9:23 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES



I was about to make a post very similar to Greg's posting.  I explored this
with my trusted machinist after watching several instances of stuck valves in
TR4 heads.  He explained that it was the silicon-bronze guides that were
causing all the trouble and recommended going to the manganese-bronze as Greg
has stated.  I've had no issues with that advice.  Knock on Wood ;-))
Steve



In a message dated 11/3/2011 3:37:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com writes:
We have   found that Manganese-Bronze guides have greater "lubricity"


From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Nov  4 09:39:30 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 10:39:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Brake Caliper Clearance
In-Reply-To: <2BBD413D-F9B1-4BF1-A58B-94BF9F7DE822@aol.com>
References: <2BBD413D-F9B1-4BF1-A58B-94BF9F7DE822@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111104153942.AAD9A187949@autox.team.net>

Sam, either solution will work - shim the caliper so that it's more 
centered or just have the pad shaved a little so it will go in.

Tony Drews

At 12:14 AM 11/4/2011, Sam Clark wrote:
>Tonight I was replacing my front brake pads to a higher performance version in
>preparation for a track day and encountered problems with  the RH side.  I
>attempted to do this in situ.  LH side went well with the shims and pads going
>in ok.  LH side has been problematic.  The outer pad falls in but the inner
>one won't go in.  Took the caliper off and manually pushed the pistons in.
>That didn't help.  Upon closer inspection, the caliper is not centered with
>the rotor.  Has anyone else had this problem?  Should I shim the caliper to
>gain clearance?  It needs to be moved to the center of the car.  This is on a
>'72 TR6.  Should I just have a brake shop take off .010 of the pad and be done
>with it?
>
>TIA
>Sam Clark


From ac at camoletti.ch  Fri Nov  4 10:47:43 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:47:43 +0100
Subject: [Fot] ZDDP
Message-ID: <002501cc9b11$797e6e60$6c7b4b20$@camoletti.ch>

In Europe there is as little, or even less ZDDP than in US. Oils sold in the
US are not sold in Europe and vice versa (example: Shell Rotella range is
very different)
Modern engines are designed to live without ZDDP, which is simply a very
high pressure additive, and our flat tappets engines were designed with and
for these oils with high ZDDP content.
I researched a lot last year and only a few brands explain the point. There
is MILLERS OIL in the UK, as one member pointed out. Then depending what
cam, tappets, spring pressures and set up you have, your engine can -more or
less- live without ZDDP.
I do not take a chance, I ordered Brad Penn from the US, and also Crane
break in additive to supplement European market oils!
Cheers!
Alex Camoletti


From ac at camoletti.ch  Fri Nov  4 10:47:43 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:47:43 +0100
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <8CE691A3BC0C3F8-2570-178BD2@webmail-d145.sysops.aol.com>
References: <2a680.60feec39.3be54f6d@aol.com>
	<8CE691A3BC0C3F8-2570-178BD2@webmail-d145.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <002601cc9b11$79c366a0$6d4a33e0$@camoletti.ch>

Moss sells in Europe aluminium-bronze guides in their TT range.
Clearance is 0.0035'' according to TR Enterprises in the UK, they use these.
Fitted in my (Tr3) head and reamed to 0.0033'', engine still on the bench so
no ROE (return of experience).
Any thoughts/comments?
Thank you and cheers!
Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de n197tr4 at cs.com
Envoyi : vendredi 4 novembre 2011 16:05
@ : Gt6steve at aol.com; Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com; fot at autox.team.net
Objet : [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES

 Outstanding posts on this subject.

Thank you everyone.

RISK MANAGEMENT.....with the information made available, so far,  folks can
make a more intelligent decision about who they have do their heads and be
able to ask better questions.

Thanks again....keep the comments coming.   It's good to see the FOT LIST
alive and well.

It might be good to know the trusted source of the best bronze guides.

Joe A



-----Original Message-----
From: Gt6steve <Gt6steve at aol.com>
To: Gregmogdoc <Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>;
n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 9:23 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES



I was about to make a post very similar to Greg's posting.  I explored this
with my trusted machinist after watching several instances of stuck valves
in
TR4 heads.  He explained that it was the silicon-bronze guides that were
causing all the trouble and recommended going to the manganese-bronze as
Greg has stated.  I've had no issues with that advice.  Knock on Wood ;-))
Steve



In a message dated 11/3/2011 3:37:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com writes:
We have   found that Manganese-Bronze guides have greater "lubricity"
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From jfrymark at aol.com  Fri Nov  4 11:19:04 2011
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 10:19:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wiring Harness
Message-ID: <A41C1795-86FA-4C59-BAAD-7FEE270A8952@aol.com>

If you don't want to make it yourself, check into Painless Performance  
harnesses at Summit Racing:

http://www.summitracing.com/search/Department/Ignitions-Electrical/Section/Electrical-Wiring/?Ns=Rank%7cAsc

Lots of options.

John Frymark


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri Nov  4 12:04:49 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 12:04:49 -0600
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <002601cc9b11$79c366a0$6d4a33e0$@camoletti.ch>
Message-ID: <20111104180943.A175F187646@autox.team.net>

I use bronze guides from BFE and clearance them to .003 - .004 with no
issues. The ones from British Frame & E are rounded on one end to help 
fuel/air & exhaust flow. I don't have problems with bronze guides
with the proper clearance. 
So, with iron guides can/should we run tighter clearances?

Jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Alexandre Camoletti
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 10:48 AM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; Gt6steve at aol.com; Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com;
fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES

Moss sells in Europe aluminium-bronze guides in their TT range.
Clearance is 0.0035'' according to TR Enterprises in the UK, they use these.
Fitted in my (Tr3) head and reamed to 0.0033'', engine still on the bench so
no ROE (return of experience).
Any thoughts/comments?
Thank you and cheers!
Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de n197tr4 at cs.com
Envoyi : vendredi 4 novembre 2011 16:05
@ : Gt6steve at aol.com; Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com; fot at autox.team.net
Objet : [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES

 Outstanding posts on this subject.

Thank you everyone.

RISK MANAGEMENT.....with the information made available, so far,  folks can
make a more intelligent decision about who they have do their heads and be
able to ask better questions.

Thanks again....keep the comments coming.   It's good to see the FOT LIST
alive and well.

It might be good to know the trusted source of the best bronze guides.

Joe A



-----Original Message-----
From: Gt6steve <Gt6steve at aol.com>
To: Gregmogdoc <Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>;
n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 9:23 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES



I was about to make a post very similar to Greg's posting.  I explored this
with my trusted machinist after watching several instances of stuck valves
in
TR4 heads.  He explained that it was the silicon-bronze guides that were
causing all the trouble and recommended going to the manganese-bronze as
Greg has stated.  I've had no issues with that advice.  Knock on Wood ;-))
Steve



In a message dated 11/3/2011 3:37:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com writes:
We have   found that Manganese-Bronze guides have greater "lubricity"
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From John.Reed at wilson.com  Fri Nov  4 13:39:07 2011
From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:39:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <8CE691A3BC0C3F8-2570-178BD2@webmail-d145.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAD9A98B.8C14%John.Reed@wilson.com>

I've used bronze guides for many years, never a problem. Key is a trusted
machinist as Steve states. Mine has been building British race engines for
more than thirty years. He even tapered the guides for flow without even being
asked.
Now he is swamped prepping heads for Japanese cars.

John


On 11/4/11 10:04 AM, "Joe N197TR4" <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:

Outstanding posts on this subject.

Thank you everyone.

RISK MANAGEMENT.....with the information made available, so far,  folks can
make a more intelligent decision about who they have do their heads and be
able to ask better questions.

Thanks again....keep the comments coming.   It's good to see the FOT LIST
alive and well.

It might be good to know the trusted source of the best bronze guides.

Joe A



-----Original Message-----
From: Gt6steve <Gt6steve at aol.com>
To: Gregmogdoc <Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>; n197tr4
<n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 9:23 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Zinc Additive.  now use of BRONZE GUIDES



I was about to make a post very similar to Greg's posting.  I explored this
with my trusted machinist after watching several instances of stuck valves in
TR4 heads.  He explained that it was the silicon-bronze guides that were
causing all the trouble and recommended going to the manganese-bronze as Greg
has stated.  I've had no issues with that advice.  Knock on Wood ;-))
Steve



In a message dated 11/3/2011 3:37:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com writes:
We have   found that Manganese-Bronze guides have greater "lubricity"
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Nov  4 14:21:25 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 20:21:25 +0000
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
Message-ID: <mailman.51.1638252566.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

For my part I put the main interest on reliability.

Even if the guids are proper made, if things going wrong bronze guids can make it worse.

Imagine that the engine loses coolant, the head heats up.
With a cast iron guide you drive until the water temp gauge is telling you.

Bronze guids might stuck the valves, bend pushrods and all the other bad stuff.

So I never had the feel doing any good to the engine with bronze guids.

Cheers
Chris

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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Fri Nov  4 14:56:00 2011
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 13:56:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Brake Caliper Clearance
In-Reply-To: <2BBD413D-F9B1-4BF1-A58B-94BF9F7DE822@aol.com>
References: <2BBD413D-F9B1-4BF1-A58B-94BF9F7DE822@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EB45160.3010204@comcast.net>

I've always run shims to center the caliper.  I've found that flat AN 
washers are perfect.

Jim Norl

On 11/3/2011 10:14 PM, Sam Clark wrote:
> Tonight I was replacing my front brake pads to a higher performance version in
> preparation for a track day and encountered problems with  the RH side.  I
> attempted to do this in situ.  LH side went well with the shims and pads going
> in ok.  LH side has been problematic.  The outer pad falls in but the inner
> one won't go in.  Took the caliper off and manually pushed the pistons in.
> That didn't help.  Upon closer inspection, the caliper is not centered with
> the rotor.  Has anyone else had this problem?  Should I shim the caliper to
> gain clearance?  It needs to be moved to the center of the car.  This is on a
> '72 TR6.  Should I just have a brake shop take off .010 of the pad and be done
> with it?
>
> TIA
> Sam Clark
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From pcdelux at verizon.net  Fri Nov  4 15:38:29 2011
From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 16:38:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Brake Caliper Clearance
References: <2BBD413D-F9B1-4BF1-A58B-94BF9F7DE822@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00db01cc9b3a$18470de0$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0>

Hello Sam,   It was definitely not unusual to find washers shimming the
caliper mounts from the factory. Yours probably got lost along the way.
Probably better than
pre-wearing each new set of pads.

Bill DeWar
NJTA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Clark" <trdoctor at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>; <triumphs at autox.team.net>; <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Brake Caliper Clearance


> Tonight I was replacing my front brake pads to a higher performance
version in
> preparation for a track day and encountered problems with  the RH side.  I
> attempted to do this in situ.  LH side went well with the shims and pads
going
> in ok.  LH side has been problematic.  The outer pad falls in but the
inner
> one won't go in.  Took the caliper off and manually pushed the pistons in.
> That didn't help.  Upon closer inspection, the caliper is not centered
with
> the rotor.  Has anyone else had this problem?  Should I shim the caliper
to
> gain clearance?  It needs to be moved to the center of the car.  This is
on a
> '72 TR6.  Should I just have a brake shop take off .010 of the pad and be
done
> with it?
>
> TIA
> Sam Clark
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From jibjib at att.net  Fri Nov  4 18:34:22 2011
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:34:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
In-Reply-To: <1320373284.83505.YahooMailRC@web180616.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <70034964.452425.1320350773748.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com><1320363700.93920.YahooMailRC@web180602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><FD701BF9C9D34B7B9608492A6CA85F84@Vista><3035099FCA8746BFB2B82AA6E7AD6A3C@Bud>
	<1320373284.83505.YahooMailRC@web180616.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3971A04EE5EB47FEAA17D99A0B55E338@EntCentPC>

Harness schematics

http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr24a.pdf
http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr24a.pdf

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of sherry robyn
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 7:21 PM
To: RACER BUD; Joe Curry; triumph fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness

Thanks for the responses.

This car is an exSCCA racer from the ninties (in
Hawaii no less so it has its 
share of Bondo).  Also, what they didn't take
off I did.  It is highly unlikely 
that it will ever see the street again.

As
to me making the harness, I have definitely thought of that but my auto
electrics are OK but not wonderful.  Most elements I understand with no
problem 
but many times I am hazy on some of the details.  If I had a
schematic, I would 
have no problem.

Jim
To: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>;
sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; 
triumph fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, November 3, 2011 6:48:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated
electrical harness

Jim...I say leave the harness in....unless you're going to
make it road 
racer..The reason is: when the time comes to sell the car, it
will have all 
of the necessary wiring for the street.
RB
----- Original
Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: "'sherry robyn'"
<sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; "'triumph fot'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical
harness


> Make it up yourself.  Couldn't be all that hard!
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of sherry robyn
> Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:42 PM
> To: triumph fot
> Subject: [Fot]
Abbreviated electrical harness
>
> I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for
autocross, etc.  I would like to rip 
> out
> all
> of the stock wiring and
install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
> only need
> to service the
following:
>
> ignition switch
> starter motor
> electronic
> ignition
>
altenator
> two radiator fans
> three gauges
>  temp
>  volts
>  oil
>
(manual)
> kill switch
>
> Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.
>
>
Thanks,
> Jim
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From jibjib at att.net  Fri Nov  4 19:51:18 2011
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:51:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness
In-Reply-To: <3971A04EE5EB47FEAA17D99A0B55E338@EntCentPC>
References: <70034964.452425.1320350773748.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com><1320363700.93920.YahooMailRC@web180602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><FD701BF9C9D34B7B9608492A6CA85F84@Vista><3035099FCA8746BFB2B82AA6E7AD6A3C@Bud><1320373284.83505.YahooMailRC@web180616.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<3971A04EE5EB47FEAA17D99A0B55E338@EntCentPC>
Message-ID: <C5026357843147499FC154DDC612F03B@EntCentPC>

Oops!
http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jack Brooks
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 5:34 PM
To: 'triumph fot'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness

Harness schematics

http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr24a.pdf
http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr24a.pdf

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of sherry robyn
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 7:21 PM
To: RACER BUD; Joe Curry; triumph fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical harness

Thanks for the responses.

This car is an exSCCA racer from the ninties (in
Hawaii no less so it has its 
share of Bondo).  Also, what they didn't take
off I did.  It is highly unlikely 
that it will ever see the street again.

As
to me making the harness, I have definitely thought of that but my auto
electrics are OK but not wonderful.  Most elements I understand with no
problem 
but many times I am hazy on some of the details.  If I had a
schematic, I would 
have no problem.

Jim
To: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>;
sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; 
triumph fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, November 3, 2011 6:48:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated
electrical harness

Jim...I say leave the harness in....unless you're going to
make it road 
racer..The reason is: when the time comes to sell the car, it
will have all 
of the necessary wiring for the street.
RB
----- Original
Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: "'sherry robyn'"
<sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>; "'triumph fot'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Abbreviated electrical
harness


> Make it up yourself.  Couldn't be all that hard!
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of sherry robyn
> Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:42 PM
> To: triumph fot
> Subject: [Fot]
Abbreviated electrical harness
>
> I have a 74 TR6 that I only use for
autocross, etc.  I would like to rip 
> out
> all
> of the stock wiring and
install an abbreviated harness with relays.  I
> only need
> to service the
following:
>
> ignition switch
> starter motor
> electronic
> ignition
>
altenator
> two radiator fans
> three gauges
>  temp
>  volts
>  oil
>
(manual)
> kill switch
>
> Any ideas on a good source for such a harness.
>
>
Thanks,
> Jim
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From kaskas at cox.net  Sat Nov  5 19:50:59 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 01:50:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
In-Reply-To: <20111104211013.1E55D18798E@autox.team.net>
References: <20111104211013.1E55D18798E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W376C072A1CEFEB37523A35DFD80@phx.gbl>

I would like to hear and understand a good reason to use a guide that already
has shown probelms if not properly installed, what ever that is. WHY court
trouble?  The stock iron guides are cheap, work every time and are cheap with
no bad history.. (well, they used to be cheap.) Sorry bronze guide sellers,
but that is how it is.

Never be beaten by equipment
 > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; ac at camoletti.ch
> From: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 20:21:25 +0000
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
>
> For my part I put the main interest on reliability.
>
> Even if the guids are proper made, if things going wrong bronze guids can
make it worse.
>
> Imagine that the engine loses coolant, the head heats up.
> With a cast iron guide you drive until the water temp gauge is telling you.
>
> Bronze guids might stuck the valves, bend pushrods and all the other bad
stuff.
>
> So I never had the feel doing any good to the engine with bronze guids.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  6 06:12:32 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:12:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Message-ID: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great and
you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing to
me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a while?
Marty


From igofaster at att.net  Sun Nov  6 09:31:48 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:31:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1320597108.13284.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

to me.. the closed trailer is secure with all my stuff inside, plus I like to 
'camp out' when I go racing so my trailer converts to a small room. I carry a 
twin size mattress overhead in a rack I made similar to the same one I made to 
store my spare tires and wheels overhead. Plus I have a small fridge, a flat 
screen TV and all my camping and cooking accessories on some shelves I built. 
There's a roof top air conditioner, plus I have a nice roll around butane 
heater. Don't forget a smoke detector (carbon monoxide too, don't want to wake 
up dead). It makes it all self contained. I use the trailer for even storing and 
securing my track side roll around tool chest.

Personally, I like the camping out versus staying at the hotel, although it's 
not a $$$ issue... it's fun to see who's hanging around and the shenanigans in 
the track area after the gates close... yes, I even break out the acoustic 
guitar, pop a cap, and have been heard around the trailer singing and strumming 
at the moon... some say, it sounds like a cat getting nailed to the wall....   
sweeet...

call me, camped out at the track...

Bobby Whitehead   




________________________________
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, November 6, 2011 7:12:32 AM
Subject: [Fot] Trailers

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great and
you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing to
me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a while?
Marty
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Nov  6 10:10:46 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:10:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] MADMARX SEAL KITS-NORTH AMERICA
Message-ID: <8CE6ABE28868DCE-B40-1103A4@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>

I shipped out all outstanding orders and have now put together another five
kits.

This is the VITON SEAL KIT of the Christian Marx design.

The bottleneck is the scroll cores at the moment, so......

If you think you are going to need one, this would a good time to order.

VITON SEAL
MODIFIED SCROLL
CENTERING TOOL  if needed.
INSTALLATION GUIDE.

Regards,

Joe


From bownes at seiri.com  Sun Nov  6 10:30:26 2011
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:30:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <1320597108.13284.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
	<1320597108.13284.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ1+nOSjA3C7h7fmDStPAnHhESen+bC=N-R4XMJ54-Cs74FUyQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm with Bobby on this one. Once I went to an enclosed trailer, I decided I
was never going back.

The ability to leave everything that normally only goes to the track in the
trailer when at home is a great advantage as well. Tires, quick jack,
radios, supplies, shoes, parts bins, generator, canopy, etc, etc, etc is
invaluable. When it is time to go to the track, I roll the car, tool boxes,
and a few other things into the trailer and leave. Many many hours of
packing saved.

Not to mention it makes a great extra 'garage space' to keep a car out of
sight ;)


On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net> wrote:

> to me.. the closed trailer is secure with all my stuff inside, plus I like
> to
> 'camp out' when I go racing so my trailer converts to a small room. I
> carry a
> twin size mattress overhead in a rack I made similar to the same one I
> made to
> store my spare tires and wheels overhead. Plus I have a small fridge, a
> flat
> screen TV and all my camping and cooking accessories on some shelves I
> built.
> There's a roof top air conditioner, plus I have a nice roll around butane
> heater. Don't forget a smoke detector (carbon monoxide too, don't want to
> wake
> up dead). It makes it all self contained. I use the trailer for even
> storing and
> securing my track side roll around tool chest.
>
> Personally, I like the camping out versus staying at the hotel, although
> it's
> not a $$$ issue... it's fun to see who's hanging around and the
> shenanigans in
> the track area after the gates close... yes, I even break out the acoustic
> guitar, pop a cap, and have been heard around the trailer singing and
> strumming
> at the moon... some say, it sounds like a cat getting nailed to the
> wall....
> sweeet...
>
> call me, camped out at the track...
>
> Bobby Whitehead
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, November 6, 2011 7:12:32 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Trailers
>
> I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum
> trailer
> with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great
> and
> you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
> securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty
> appealing to
> me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
> going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
> trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a
> while?
> Marty
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 10:30:18 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:30:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <FE40827E-F731-496C-8516-F33D6F51E35B@aol.com>

My friends have an enclosed trailer set up with bunks. It is like a little
home. Electric, paint, Insulated, cabinets, microwave, coffee pot, and sheets!
I believe it is a 22 foot, with a v- nose.  Tows nice and is a real pleasure
at the track. On the off season it is a good place to store the racer.

Just my opinion
Chris

On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:12 AM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum
trailer
> with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great
and
> you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
> securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing
to
> me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
> going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
> trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a
while?
> Marty
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From jaboruch at netzero.com  Sun Nov  6 10:51:22 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:51:22 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Message-ID: <20111106.125122.16781.1@webmail52.dca.untd.com>

Having started out with an open trailer and then moving up to a closed
trailer, the closed trailer is the way to go.  Tools and such can be securely
stored.  When it rains there is a dry place to change or just sit.  I started
out sleeping in mine, but my wife prefers the hotel, so we have not slept in
it for years.  Off season it is a place to store parts or a car.

You do need a tow vehicle capable of pulling the heavier closed trailer.  My
trailer (20' Haulmark)  is all steel and it is over 3000 pounds empty.  I had
an 85 chevy pickup with a 5.7 liter engine, when I first got this trailer and
it was not up to the task.  Moved up to a 96 chevy with a 6.5 diesel and it
had a hard time towing the trailer up hills.  Now have a 2007 chevy with a 6
liter gas engine and it does great.

If I had to do it over I would go with an aluminum closed trailer.  Joe(B)


---------- Original Message ----------
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:12:32 -0500

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great
and
you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing
to
me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a while?
Marty
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From jaboruch at netzero.com  Sun Nov  6 10:59:56 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:59:56 GMT
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
Message-ID: <20111106.125956.16781.2@webmail52.dca.untd.com>

I have been using bronze guides for about 15 years without a problem.  Just
need adequate clearances.  They are easy to machine and shape the way you
want.  I run seals on the intakes and machine the tops to fit the seal.  Got
them from BFE the last time that I bought them.   Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Enquiries Road & Track" <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] use of BRONZE GUIDES
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:42:21 +1000

in our engine shop, we avoid bronze guides unless we really have to use
them such as with some specially coated titanium valves

cast iron guides last for a very long time under very arduous conditions

about the only OE manufacturer that I've seen that routinely uses a bronze
guide is M Benz, and they are a very special product and only used in some
of their engines

not all bronze guides are equal. we have encountered numerous grades. all
of them are notoriously difficult to size. we have special tooling to deal
with them.

there is an argument that some types of bronze guides can run lower
clearances and therfore improve heat transfer from valve stem to guide. i
have never seen any documented or visual proof of this .

IMHO, especially with older cars like TR's, they are mostly a marketing
fad, with unscrupulous vendors appealing to the 'go faster" set

Terry
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Nov  6 11:42:40 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 10:42:40 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
	<FE40827E-F731-496C-8516-F33D6F51E35B@aol.com>
Message-ID: <15426CA1A89B47B1BB3C4B07E59C6AF3@Bud>

I'm happy with my open trailer, but if i went to an enclosed one I'd lean 
towards a 'FUNRUNNER'..You roll the car out, and then the bunks, etc. are 
lowered into the space where the car was.
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "christopher bock" <SeaCubeCo at aol.com>
To: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailers


> My friends have an enclosed trailer set up with bunks. It is like a little
> home. Electric, paint, Insulated, cabinets, microwave, coffee pot, and 
> sheets!
> I believe it is a 22 foot, with a v- nose.  Tows nice and is a real 
> pleasure
> at the track. On the off season it is a good place to store the racer.
>
> Just my opinion
> Chris
>
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:12 AM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum
> trailer
>> with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is 
>> great
> and
>> you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
>> securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty 
>> appealing
> to
>> me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people 
>> were
>> going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter 
>> open
>> trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a
> while?
>> Marty
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From ac at camoletti.ch  Sun Nov  6 12:54:11 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:54:11 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <20111106.125122.16781.1@webmail52.dca.untd.com>
References: <20111106.125122.16781.1@webmail52.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <001501cc9cbd$dc077510$94165f30$@camoletti.ch>

What is the max speed on highways in the US when pulling a trailer?
Alex (from Europe)

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Joe Boruch
Envoyi : dimanche 6 novembre 2011 18:51
@ : trmarty at hotmail.com
Cc : fot at autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] Trailers

Having started out with an open trailer and then moving up to a closed
trailer, the closed trailer is the way to go.  Tools and such can be
securely stored.  When it rains there is a dry place to change or just sit.
I started out sleeping in mine, but my wife prefers the hotel, so we have
not slept in it for years.  Off season it is a place to store parts or a
car.

You do need a tow vehicle capable of pulling the heavier closed trailer.  My
trailer (20' Haulmark)  is all steel and it is over 3000 pounds empty.  I
had an 85 chevy pickup with a 5.7 liter engine, when I first got this
trailer and it was not up to the task.  Moved up to a 96 chevy with a 6.5
diesel and it had a hard time towing the trailer up hills.  Now have a 2007
chevy with a 6 liter gas engine and it does great.

If I had to do it over I would go with an aluminum closed trailer.  Joe(B)


---------- Original Message ----------
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:12:32 -0500

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great
and you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing
to me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people
were going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter
open trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a
while?
Marty
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From stocktontr4 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 12:59:42 2011
From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com (dick stockton)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:59:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
Message-ID: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks ago,
Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY

- Dick


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 13:13:48 2011
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:13:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Message-ID: <6329a.25ee934.3be8447c@aol.com>

I'm very happy with my enclosed trailer for all of the reasons  mentioned.
 
I recall one 300 mile trip home from Phoenix in a light drizzle all the  
way. When I got home the car was TOTALLY covered with a thick brown film from  
the wet desert roads!  I was still finding mud years later.
 
The downside of the enclosed trailers is that you're anonymous.  No  
conversations with truckers on the CB and no kids with their noses pressed to  the 
windows as they pass....
 
 
In a message dated 11/6/2011 11:17:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
budscars at comcast.net writes:

I'm  happy with my open trailer, but if i went to an enclosed one I'd lean  
towards a 'FUNRUNNER'..You roll the car out, and then the bunks, etc. are  
lowered into the space where the car was.
RB
----- Original Message  ----- 
From: "christopher bock" <SeaCubeCo at aol.com>
To: "marty  sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: "FOT"  <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 9:30  AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailers


> My friends have an enclosed  trailer set up with bunks. It is like a 
little
> home. Electric, paint,  Insulated, cabinets, microwave, coffee pot, and 
> sheets!
> I  believe it is a 22 foot, with a v- nose.  Tows nice and is a real  
> pleasure
> at the track. On the off season it is a good place  to store the racer.
>
> Just my opinion
>  Chris
>
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:12 AM, marty sukey  <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am kicking around the  idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum
> trailer
>> with  an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is 
>>  great
> and
>> you don't even know its back there. However  having everything closed up
>> securely and having that enclosed room  at the track sounds pretty 
>> appealing
> to
>> me.  Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people 
>>  were
>> going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the  lighter 
>> open
>> trailers. Any advice from those of you  who have been doing this for a
> while?
>> Marty
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Nov  6 13:45:28 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:45:28 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <001501cc9cbd$dc077510$94165f30$@camoletti.ch>
References: <20111106.125122.16781.1@webmail52.dca.untd.com>
	<001501cc9cbd$dc077510$94165f30$@camoletti.ch>
Message-ID: <0c0401cc9cc5$0526a1d0$0f73e570$@rr.com>

> What is the max speed on highways in the US when pulling a trailer?

I believe some areas allow as high as 75 mph (and likely won't write a
ticket for 80).

In California, trailers are limited to 55 mph, but I have been stopped while
towing at 75 mph and not gotten a ticket for speeding.  (Did get a written
warning for no seat belt, though.)

-- Randall 


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Nov  6 14:00:09 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:00:09 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <00f201cc9cc7$134c1540$39e43fc0$@com>

Fast race....very well defended against the Lotus.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von dick stockton
Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. November 2011 21:00
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Hi all,

Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks ago,
Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY

- Dick
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sun Nov  6 14:29:23 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:29:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <416D21ABDC394966A2B38A0735B0E0EF@owner8914bbf7f>

Hi Gang, I bought a new trailer in June '10. 8 1/2 x 20 enclosed with a V 
nose. All alunimum, weighs 2550 lbs. empty. With cabinets in the front. Very 
nice; I splurged a bit.
I built a fold down bunk in it. I prefer to stay at the track; one less 
thing to worry about. Besides, I like the atmosphere at the track. Just my 
preference.
I bought a new Ram 1500 last spring, with the Hemi. It has guts enough to 
tow up the side of a mountain, and as a daily driver gets 20 on the highway. 
(Probably more if I'd set the cruise lower than 73!)
I like the security of the enclosed trailer and like others, use it to store 
my race items in the winter. I have a dedicated set of tools that stays in 
the trailer; don't need to worry if I brought it with me. I tend to carry a 
lot of spares with me, but have helped quite a few guys get out of the crap 
over the last 5 years. That's also part of the fun of vintage racing.
Go ahead Marty, treat yourself! Your wife's reasonable!
Good luck with your decision.
Bill----- Original Message ----- 
From: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 8:12 AM
Subject: [Fot] Trailers


>I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum 
>trailer
> with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great 
> and
> you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
> securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty 
> appealing to
> me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
> going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
> trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a 
> while?
> Marty
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Nov  6 15:27:41 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:27:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <001501cc9cbd$dc077510$94165f30$@camoletti.ch>
References: <20111106.125122.16781.1@webmail52.dca.untd.com>
	<001501cc9cbd$dc077510$94165f30$@camoletti.ch>
Message-ID: <2890F607CF3448FAA18A01AF9BFB78BA@Vista>

Depends on the state.  In Arizona I can drive 75 pulling my double deck
trailer but when I hit California, I have to slow down to something like 60.

Joe C.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Alexandre Camoletti
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 12:54 PM
To: 'Joe Boruch'; trmarty at hotmail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailers

What is the max speed on highways in the US when pulling a trailer?
Alex (from Europe)

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Joe Boruch
Envoyi : dimanche 6 novembre 2011 18:51
@ : trmarty at hotmail.com
Cc : fot at autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] Trailers

Having started out with an open trailer and then moving up to a closed
trailer, the closed trailer is the way to go.  Tools and such can be
securely stored.  When it rains there is a dry place to change or just sit.
I started out sleeping in mine, but my wife prefers the hotel, so we have
not slept in it for years.  Off season it is a place to store parts or a
car.

You do need a tow vehicle capable of pulling the heavier closed trailer.  My
trailer (20' Haulmark)  is all steel and it is over 3000 pounds empty.  I
had an 85 chevy pickup with a 5.7 liter engine, when I first got this
trailer and it was not up to the task.  Moved up to a 96 chevy with a 6.5
diesel and it had a hard time towing the trailer up hills.  Now have a 2007
chevy with a 6 liter gas engine and it does great.

If I had to do it over I would go with an aluminum closed trailer.  Joe(B)


---------- Original Message ----------
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:12:32 -0500

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great
and you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing
to me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people
were going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter
open trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a
while?
Marty
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Sun Nov  6 15:36:56 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 17:36:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
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Alex
Trailer max speed varies state to state. Most are at the legal limit 
some set the speed 5-10mph below the limit.
I haul trailers all over the country and most of Canada.
Glenn
Too Many TR'sOn 11/6/2011 3:45 PM, Randall wrote:
>> What is the max speed on highways in the US when pulling a trailer?
> I believe some areas allow as high as 75 mph (and likely won't write a
> ticket for 80).
>
> In California, trailers are limited to 55 mph, but I have been stopped while
> towing at 75 mph and not gotten a ticket for speeding.  (Did get a written
> warning for no seat belt, though.)
>
> -- Randall
> _______________________________________________
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sun Nov  6 17:11:50 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 19:11:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers and mileage
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A6E4A633-558A-403B-ABCD-8909086CFDF2@me.com>

I have an enclosed 20' Vnose Worthington all-aluminum, which is great for all the reasons of convenience mentioned to date.  I currently tow with a 2010 Ford Expedition EL, and the previous tow vehicle was a 99 Suburban.  Two caveats - going from an open to closed trailer, you are going to want to switch to a load leveling/anti-sway hitch, unless you've got a monster tow vehicle.  Also, you are going to find your gas mileage drops like a stone vs the open trailer.  My Expedition, which gets 16+ mpg without a trailer, drops to 7-9 mpg with.  The 99 Suburban did the same.  Basically, you are towing a barn door, and the v-nose does not make much difference.  I had a 20' Haulmark steel trailer until it got stolen (happy day!) and the mileage was not much different from the aluminum V-nose.  Its all air resistance.

With the Expedition and the load-leveling hitch, the rig comfortably cruises at 70-75 and the trailer does not alter the driving experience much, unlike the 99, which let you know it was being steered from the rear all the time, but with an open trailer was pretty good.
So, I guess I'd take a hard look at your tow vehicle, so that you don't end up be unhappy with that aspect.

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From gasket.works at gte.net  Sun Nov  6 19:14:04 2011
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <15E80FFA-9A35-469B-87E2-24DC486A6DF9@gte.net>

Nice drive   ....  I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
attempted pass.  Thanks for sharing.  Gratefully only egos and metal
suffered.

Mordy



On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks ago,
> Enjoy.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
>
> - Dick
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From TRDoctor at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 21:02:14 2011
From: TRDoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:02:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures
Message-ID: <CF0ED9BD-EAAC-4B85-885A-EBEB4A90994D@aol.com>

All,
I am getting ready to do a couple of track days at Hallet this month and need
some advice on tire pressures.  On the TR6 I am running 205/70/VR15 Michelins
on Panasport wheels and slightly oversized tires on the GT6.  I have been
running them @ 30 psi all around.  Any suggestions on tire pressures for track
use?

Sam Clark


From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Nov  6 21:12:23 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:12:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Trailers and mileage
In-Reply-To: <A6E4A633-558A-403B-ABCD-8909086CFDF2@me.com>
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
	<A6E4A633-558A-403B-ABCD-8909086CFDF2@me.com>
Message-ID: <A360BAE638664FA89169A3148D197B8D@Vista>

Towing my open double deck trailer with two Spits on it behind my Avalanche
I get about 11 MPG.

Joe C.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 5:12 PM
To: marty sukey
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailers and mileage

I have an enclosed 20' Vnose Worthington all-aluminum, which is great for
all the reasons of convenience mentioned to date.  I currently tow with a
2010 Ford Expedition EL, and the previous tow vehicle was a 99 Suburban.
Two caveats - going from an open to closed trailer, you are going to want to
switch to a load leveling/anti-sway hitch, unless you've got a monster tow
vehicle.  Also, you are going to find your gas mileage drops like a stone vs
the open trailer.  My Expedition, which gets 16+ mpg without a trailer,
drops to 7-9 mpg with.  The 99 Suburban did the same.  Basically, you are
towing a barn door, and the v-nose does not make much difference.  I had a
20' Haulmark steel trailer until it got stolen (happy day!) and the mileage
was not much different from the aluminum V-nose.  Its all air resistance.

With the Expedition and the load-leveling hitch, the rig comfortably cruises
at 70-75 and the trailer does not alter the driving experience much, unlike
the 99, which let you know it was being steered from the rear all the time,
but with an open trailer was pretty good.
So, I guess I'd take a hard look at your tow vehicle, so that you don't end
up be unhappy with that aspect.

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Nov  6 23:37:59 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 00:37:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures
In-Reply-To: <CF0ED9BD-EAAC-4B85-885A-EBEB4A90994D@aol.com>
References: <CF0ED9BD-EAAC-4B85-885A-EBEB4A90994D@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111107063814.0031F187652@autox.team.net>

Sam, I'd probably start with the maximum pressure printed on the 
sides of the tires.

Tony

At 10:02 PM 11/6/2011, Sam Clark wrote:
>All,
>I am getting ready to do a couple of track days at Hallet this month and need
>some advice on tire pressures.  On the TR6 I am running 205/70/VR15 Michelins
>on Panasport wheels and slightly oversized tires on the GT6.  I have been
>running them @ 30 psi all around.  Any suggestions on tire pressures for track
>use?
>
>Sam Clark


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Nov  6 23:47:28 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 06:47:28 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures
Message-ID: <mailman.52.1638252566.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

As these are normal street tires I would run them on 32-34 psi.
High sidewall means high pressure in my opinion.

Cheers
Chris 
------Originalnachricht------
Von: Sam Clark
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An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Tire Pressures
Gesendet: 7. Nov. 2011 05:02

All,
I am getting ready to do a couple of track days at Hallet this month and need
some advice on tire pressures.  On the TR6 I am running 205/70/VR15 Michelins
on Panasport wheels and slightly oversized tires on the GT6.  I have been
running them @ 30 psi all around.  Any suggestions on tire pressures for track
use?

Sam Clark
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Mon Nov  7 00:56:57 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:56:57 +1000
Subject: [Fot] re use of BRONZE GUIDES
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b30CBNu5jyTPQb3EZfMnu5=tPuoQkTmwKBDK8-2SY3Heg@mail.gmail.com>

there has been a lot of comments on this subject, but very few facts

valves transfer about 30% of their heat across the stem to guide interface
into the head casting and eventually into the cooling water .

to achieve this, the clearance must be the absolute minimal possible

engines have slightly different valve stem to guide clearance requirements,
but as an indication for cast iron guides in an OHV engine, .001K to .003K
on intake and, and .002K to .004K for exhaust guides. Wear of about 0.0015"
is usually sufficient cause to reject them.

We often see cast iron guides with a lot more wear than this and the engine
still runs perfectly OK as a shopping cart, but not as a racer. The biggest
common problem with extreme guide wear is the valves no longer seat
reliably.

on the intake, the incoming air-fuel charge slightly cools the valve stem,
so you can run them with slightly lower clearances

on the exhaust, this does not happen, so they need to be "just loose
enough" not to sieze under extreme conditions they meet.

clearly, the objective in both cases is to absolutely minimize the
clearance. NOT maximize  it  or even worse, "add a bit for good
measure" because of a material specification issue.

In extreme cases, when valves are not shedding their heat, the engine can
be prone to detonation as the heads start glowing. These valves can often
be seen to have tiny cracks in the head

whilst i'm all for making mods that improve engine performance, and spend
most of my workling days doing just this, i really don't believe this is
one of them.

I'm glad another old racer like Kas has taken the same pragmatic view i
have, if it aint broke, don't fix it

Terry


From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  7 06:46:44 2011
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:46:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <15E80FFA-9A35-469B-87E2-24DC486A6DF9@gte.net>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<15E80FFA-9A35-469B-87E2-24DC486A6DF9@gte.net>
Message-ID: <SNT136-W4A3A7B4CF070D3FB417A4F9D90@phx.gbl>

Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?

Sam


> From: gasket.works at gte.net
> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
> To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>
> Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
> attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and metal
> suffered.
>
> Mordy
>
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks
ago,
> > Enjoy.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> >
> > - Dick
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From ac at camoletti.ch  Mon Nov  7 07:35:29 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:35:29 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <SNT136-W4A3A7B4CF070D3FB417A4F9D90@phx.gbl>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<15E80FFA-9A35-469B-87E2-24DC486A6DF9@gte.net>
	<SNT136-W4A3A7B4CF070D3FB417A4F9D90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002801cc9d5a$8022bf00$80683d00$@camoletti.ch>

Gents, is the Lotus at fault ? It seems to me the TR4 just followed the
inside radius and the Lotus went against as it tried to close the door?
Sorry it may be a newbie questions but the most I learn before going on the
track, the best it is!
Cheers!
Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Sam Halkias
Envoyi : lundi 7 novembre 2011 14:47
@ : Mordy Dunst; stocktontr4 at gmail.com
Cc : fot at autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?

Sam


> From: gasket.works at gte.net
> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
> To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>
> Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
> attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and metal
> suffered.
>
> Mordy
>
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
> > weeks
ago,
> > Enjoy.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> >
> > - Dick
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Nov  7 07:11:00 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:11:00 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <1320597108.13284.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
	<1320597108.13284.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F05F819@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

You didn't tell them about your Jacuzzi...or the time at Hallett where way to
many electric heaters were hooked at one time. I was in a tent with only an
electric blanket so I was the canary in the coal mine, getting up repeatedly
to flip the breaker. I eventually disconnect a few random cords that were
headed in a direction of some MG's.


Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
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Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Bobby Whitehead
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:32 AM
To: marty sukey
Cc: FoT Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailers

to me.. the closed trailer is secure with all my stuff inside, plus I like to
'camp out' when I go racing so my trailer converts to a small room. I carry a
twin size mattress overhead in a rack I made similar to the same one I made to
store my spare tires and wheels overhead. Plus I have a small fridge, a flat
screen TV and all my camping and cooking accessories on some shelves I built.
There's a roof top air conditioner, plus I have a nice roll around butane
heater. Don't forget a smoke detector (carbon monoxide too, don't want to wake
up dead). It makes it all self contained. I use the trailer for even storing
and securing my track side roll around tool chest.

Personally, I like the camping out versus staying at the hotel, although it's
not a $$$ issue... it's fun to see who's hanging around and the shenanigans in
the track area after the gates close... yes, I even break out the acoustic
guitar, pop a cap, and have been heard around the trailer singing and
strumming
at the moon... some say, it sounds like a cat getting nailed to the wall....
sweeet...

call me, camped out at the track...

Bobby Whitehead




________________________________
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, November 6, 2011 7:12:32 AM
Subject: [Fot] Trailers

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great and
you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing to
me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a while?
Marty
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Mon Nov  7 07:45:23 2011
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (MARKANDGLENDA PENDERGRASS)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 06:45:23 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <SNT136-W4A3A7B4CF070D3FB417A4F9D90@phx.gbl>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<15E80FFA-9A35-469B-87E2-24DC486A6DF9@gte.net>
	<SNT136-W4A3A7B4CF070D3FB417A4F9D90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CACx-LfO63-deLR_SMX8oATPM5B79KzzE=iWoz0zKMX3K-Eu4Ag@mail.gmail.com>

Did that guy say, "whats the matter with you"?? That boy needs to look in
the mirror

Mark

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Sam Halkias <atr6racer at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?
>
> Sam
>
>
> > From: gasket.works at gte.net
> > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
> > To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> > CC: fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>  >
> > Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
> > attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and metal
> > suffered.
> >
> > Mordy
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks
> ago,
> > > Enjoy.
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> > >
> > > - Dick
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Mon Nov  7 08:03:52 2011
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 07:03:52 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Racing line.
In-Reply-To: <002801cc9d5a$8022bf00$80683d00$@camoletti.ch>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<15E80FFA-9A35-469B-87E2-24DC486A6DF9@gte.net>
	<SNT136-W4A3A7B4CF070D3FB417A4F9D90@phx.gbl>
	<002801cc9d5a$8022bf00$80683d00$@camoletti.ch>
Message-ID: <C4D77915-980B-4880-B291-3F532F22B447@gte.net>

My racing vintage organization has a simple rule.  Overtaking car has the
responsibility of making a clean no contact pass.  Turning in on another car
like this in the "hopes" that the other car backs off could work.... But way
risky and way wrong.  Poor choice.....

M


On Nov 7, 2011, at 6:35 AM, "Alexandre Camoletti" <ac at camoletti.ch> wrote:

> Gents, is the Lotus at fault ? It seems to me the TR4 just followed the
> inside radius and the Lotus went against as it tried to close the door?
> Sorry it may be a newbie questions but the most I learn before going on the
> track, the best it is!
> Cheers!
> Alex
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
> part de Sam Halkias
> EnvoyC) : lundi 7 novembre 2011 14:47
> C : Mordy Dunst; stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> Cc : fot at autox.team.net
> Objet : Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>
> Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?
>
> Sam
>
>
>> From: gasket.works at gte.net
>> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
>> To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
>> CC: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>>
>> Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
>> attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and metal
>> suffered.
>>
>> Mordy
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
>>> weeks
> ago,
>>> Enjoy.
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
>>>
>>> - Dick
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Nov  7 08:39:01 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:39:01 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F05F9C8@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

I'm currently pulling a 28' Pace Shadow GT trailer with two TR4's inside with
my 2007 GMC 6.0 gas 4X4. I don't like it very much because most of the
benefits you all have listed aren't there for me. The math is two 2,000 lb.
cars, a 5,600 lb. trailer, and 10,000 lb. capacity, so with a couple of spare
tires in the trailer (let's not talk about tires) all the gear goes in the
pickup bed like it always did. The truck is GVWR'd at 10,700 I'm maxed out.
That makes it very hard on the truck.

I miss the thumbs up, honks and as someone said the kids noses pressed up
against the windows too. So when my son isn't racing I go back to the open
trailer.

On a more positive side it does free up two garage spaces.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
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512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of marty sukey
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:13 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Trailers

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great and
you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing to
me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a while?
Marty
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Nov  7 08:41:32 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:41:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <6329a.25ee934.3be8447c@aol.com>
References: <6329a.25ee934.3be8447c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111071033140.26247@isis.mit.edu>

On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:

> I'm very happy with my enclosed trailer for all of the reasons  mentioned.
>
> I recall one 300 mile trip home from Phoenix in a light drizzle all the
> way. When I got home the car was TOTALLY covered with a thick brown film from
> the wet desert roads!  I was still finding mud years later.
>
> The downside of the enclosed trailers is that you're anonymous.  No
> conversations with truckers on the CB and no kids with their noses pressed to  the
> windows as they pass....

Agreed on this one. You just gotta "sticker up" the trailer. Then everyone 
slows down to look at the driver of the rig when they're passing. :-)

Side bar, one of my favorite CB conversations ever was in 2001 driving to 
the SCCA Solo Nationals in an RV with a TR4 on an open trailer. 
Indianapolis, IN on I70 (I guess). We're just driving along and this woman 
with a very clear and proper English accent says simply: I say, is that a 
Triumph TR4?

We nearly drove off the road from the surprise. Turns out that she 
relocated to the US and was a cross country driver for a major moving 
company.

So, open trailers def. have certain up sides.

But in my book, the enclosed advantages all outweigh the open trailer 
thing except for storing the trailer itself. Enclosed trailers are a pain 
to store if oyu don't have a lot of space (or friends with lots of space).

To the topic: 20' Pace American Rally, 3000 pounds empty. I tow with a '99 
Chevy Express 3500 with a 5.7 engine and no tow package. This rig tows 
really nice indeed. Fuel economy is about 10 MPG with the car in the 
trailer... I've gotten more than 11 MPG with that setup, but since the 
switch to 10% ethanol, it's more like 9.5 - 10 mpg.

c ya,
rml
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Nov  7 08:57:41 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:57:41 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CACx-LfO63-deLR_SMX8oATPM5B79KzzE=iWoz0zKMX3K-Eu4Ag@mail.gmail.com>
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	<15E80FFA-9A35-469B-87E2-24DC486A6DF9@gte.net>
	<SNT136-W4A3A7B4CF070D3FB417A4F9D90@phx.gbl>
	<CACx-LfO63-deLR_SMX8oATPM5B79KzzE=iWoz0zKMX3K-Eu4Ag@mail.gmail.com>
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This is Jersey. It was more likely, "what's a matter for you"

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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of MARKANDGLENDA PENDERGRASS
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 8:45 AM
To: Sam Halkias
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Did that guy say, "whats the matter with you"?? That boy needs to look in the
mirror

Mark

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Sam Halkias <atr6racer at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?
>
> Sam
>
>
> > From: gasket.works at gte.net
> > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
> > To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> > CC: fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>  >
> > Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested
> > the attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and
> > metal suffered.
> >
> > Mordy
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
> > > weeks
> ago,
> > > Enjoy.
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> > >
> > > - Dick
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > fot at autox.team.net
> > >
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 09:09:11 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:09:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
Message-ID: <36e61.6259b723.3be95ca7@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/07/2011 9:17:35 AM Central Standard Time, 
ac at camoletti.ch writes:


> Gents, is the Lotus at fault? It seems to me the TR4 just followed the
> inside radius and the Lotus went against as it tried to close the door?
> Sorry it may be a newbie questions but the most I learn before going on 
> the
> track, the best it is!
> 

A good question, which might produce an interesting thread, and give all of 
us pause to consider what we can do to keep vintage racing safe.

Early on in so called 'vintage racing', in an effort to promote safety, and 
accommodate eclectic racing grids with a wide disparity of talent and 
horsepower, the race car whose nose hit the entry to a corner first 'owned' the 
line, and any car behind was expected to give up any attempt to pass in that 
corner.  I recall Bob Tullius commenting at an early event banquet at Road 
America that he felt all racing was dangerous, and 'vintage racing' should be 
limited to a 'high speed parade'.  Yeah...right.  Let's date naked but not 
touch anything.

Well, we all know that it is very difficult to only put it in a little.  In 
the heat of battle, the best of good intentions can go astray.  This is 
particularly true when experienced racers vintage race.  Both Dick Stockton and 
Denny Wilson are veteran racers, with loads of experience.  Here they were 
involved in a very hard fought race.  It is unfortunate, but not surprising 
that it might end with an unfortunate incident.

I would be very interested in knowing what action the Steward and/or 
Driver's Committee took as the result.  

>From what I can see in the video, Dick had a nose in front at the entry to 
the corner, and Denny seemed to out brake him, got the lead and was then 
going to follow a traditional line through the corner.  This includes going 
EXACTLY where Dick is going to go next.  'Well prepared' (read into that what 
you want) Lotus 7s and TRIUMPH TR4s are not equally nimble, nor are their 
brakes necessarily equal.  I am not surprised there was an incident as the 
result.

I think it was GREAT racing, and I enjoyed watching it.  It is unfortunate 
that there was an incident.  I like Mordy's take that it is great only egos 
and sheet metal got injured.

Bill Dentinger


From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 09:14:09 2011
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:14:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1320682449.2504.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

 It looks like you held your line and the guy didn't make a clean pass. What
did the stewards say about the altercation?
 
Mike

From: dick stockton
<stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011
1:59 PM
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Hi all,

Here is video from
the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks ago,
Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY

- Dick
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Mon Nov  7 09:47:42 2011
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:47:42 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Fot] Racing line.
Message-ID: <239432.1320684462349.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I didnt follow the original thread so apologies if this isnt news, but - 
SVRA charged the Lotus driver with causing the incident, as they should have.

There was no reason for his action but I'm sure his frustration with running behind for the whole race was pretty high.

Right up until then it was a spectacular race for those two.


-----Original Message-----
>From: Mordy <gasket.works at gte.net>
>Sent: Nov 7, 2011 10:03 AM
>To: Alexandre Camoletti <ac at camoletti.ch>
>Cc: "<fot at autox.team.net>" <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] Racing line.
>
>My racing vintage organization has a simple rule.  Overtaking car has the
>responsibility of making a clean no contact pass.  Turning in on another car
>like this in the "hopes" that the other car backs off could work.... But way
>risky and way wrong.  Poor choice.....
>
>M
>
>
>On Nov 7, 2011, at 6:35 AM, "Alexandre Camoletti" <ac at camoletti.ch> wrote:
>
>> Gents, is the Lotus at fault ? It seems to me the TR4 just followed the
>> inside radius and the Lotus went against as it tried to close the door?
>> Sorry it may be a newbie questions but the most I learn before going on the
>> track, the best it is!
>> Cheers!
>> Alex
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
>> part de Sam Halkias
>> EnvoyC) : lundi 7 novembre 2011 14:47
>> C : Mordy Dunst; stocktontr4 at gmail.com
>> Cc : fot at autox.team.net
>> Objet : Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>>
>> Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?
>>
>> Sam
>>
>>
>>> From: gasket.works at gte.net
>>> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
>>> To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
>>> CC: fot at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>>>
>>> Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
>>> attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and metal
>>> suffered.
>>>
>>> Mordy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
>>>> weeks
>> ago,
>>>> Enjoy.
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
>>>>
>>>> - Dick
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>>
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Nov  7 09:52:02 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:52:02 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F05F9C8@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
	<639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F05F9C8@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F05FAD0@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

And I forgot to mention, I can't get even 10 mpg with this rig.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Kramer, Robert
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:39 AM
To: marty sukey; FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailers

I'm currently pulling a 28' Pace Shadow GT trailer with two TR4's inside with
my 2007 GMC 6.0 gas 4X4. I don't like it very much because most of the
benefits you all have listed aren't there for me. The math is two 2,000 lb.
cars, a 5,600 lb. trailer, and 10,000 lb. capacity, so with a couple of spare
tires in the trailer (let's not talk about tires) all the gear goes in the
pickup bed like it always did. The truck is GVWR'd at 10,700 I'm maxed out.
That makes it very hard on the truck.

I miss the thumbs up, honks and as someone said the kids noses pressed up
against the windows too. So when my son isn't racing I go back to the open
trailer.

On a more positive side it does free up two garage spaces.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of marty sukey
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:13 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Trailers

I am kicking around the idea of replacing my dual axle open aluminum trailer
with an enclosed trailer. Current trailer tows fantastic, mileage is great and
you don't even know its back there. However having everything closed up
securely and having that enclosed room at the track sounds pretty appealing to
me. Seems like there was some discussion a few years ago where people were
going the opposite way, dumping the enclosed and going to the lighter open
trailers. Any advice from those of you who have been doing this for a while?
Marty
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Mon Nov  7 09:56:15 2011
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:56:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Message-ID: <380-220111117165615161@M2W131.mail2web.com>

I agree with the enclosed-trailer crowd to a point, but my one devil's
advocate remark is: Of all of the race rigs that have been stolen, how many
of them have been open trailers? In my experience, that number is zero.
Enclosed trailers are thief magnets, unfortunately.

We haul on open trailers just because we don't have the money or space for
an enclosed, and it's less of a load on the tow vehicle, but I really don't
regret any of it except the obvious fact that the poor car is out in the
rain/road muck if the weather turns bad. We love the thumbs-up and
pressed-noses (okay, so we get them anyway, as we usually haul with a shiny
1984 Airstream motor home), and it's easy to get to the car at any point.

Our favorite trip was hauling back from the 2001 Breckenridge VTR with the
newly acquired Amphicar project on an open trailer. So many people were so
interested in the car I had to print a fact sheet on it in large letters
and tape it to the front door. I can't tell you how many people came
alongside the car and read the sheet (I was following in Brad's Spitfire,
so I had a great view)--there were LOTS.

Just take precautions in parking and securing your enclosed trailer and you
should be fine.

Just my 2 cents!

Keep Triumphing,

Susan     :)


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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Mon Nov  7 09:55:56 2011
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 08:55:56 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111071033140.26247@isis.mit.edu>
References: <6329a.25ee934.3be8447c@aol.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1111071033140.26247@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4EB80D9C.7020808@comcast.net>

Thought I'd chime in here too.  I tow the Spitfire in a enclosed 20' 
Pace behind a 28' Winnebago.  It works great for the most part and 
allows us to stay at the track which we have always liked.  The average 
mileage drops about 2 mpg from 9.3 to 7.3 when towing.  Gotta drop a 
gear on hills and a strong headwind coming at a slight angle from the 
front (North Dakota) will drop the mileage even further and make the 
driving intense.    I shredded a rear tire on the trailer going to 
Laguna Seca last June for the Kastner Cup race and didn't even know it 
until someone pulled up beside me and waved and pointed.


From REK46 at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 10:54:18 2011
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:54:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
Message-ID: <20098.30177c0a.3be9754a@aol.com>

I may as well throw in one food for thought too...I bought a 20' Haulmark  
enclosed tlr..Its great for all the aforementioned reasons...however,when i 
got  it I sold my open one which reduced the net outlay by $1000 at the 
time....great  then but have regretted selling the open tlr ever since because 
of the ease and  convenience of using it around town or hauling just about 
anything for myself or  friends/family. I wish I had kept it....try having a 
tow-motor load a used lathe  into your closed tlr...my ramp wont hold 
that...etc. etc., Rick
 
 
In a message dated 11/7/2011 12:27:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
norlinengineering at comcast.net writes:

Thought  I'd chime in here too.  I tow the Spitfire in a enclosed 20' 
Pace  behind a 28' Winnebago.  It works great for the most part and 
allows  us to stay at the track which we have always liked.  The average  
mileage drops about 2 mpg from 9.3 to 7.3 when towing.  Gotta drop a  
gear on hills and a strong headwind coming at a slight angle from the  
front (North Dakota) will drop the mileage even further and make the  
driving intense.    I shredded a rear tire on the trailer going  to 
Laguna Seca last June for the Kastner Cup race and didn't even know it  
until someone pulled up beside me and waved and  pointed.
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Nov  7 11:38:37 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:38:37 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
References: <20098.30177c0a.3be9754a@aol.com>
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There is a lot to be said for 'keeping it simple', and I don't have space to 
park a car hauler..My Spitfire fits onto my little trailer, and the whole 
thing backs into 1/2 of my normal size 2 car garage, leaving plenty of room 
to park my Miata.The trailer is open in the center, and is high enough so 
that I can comfortably do 'under the car' work while the car is still on the 
trailer(this works great for pulling a tranny at the track too)..
RB
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailers


>I may as well throw in one food for thought too...I bought a 20' Haulmark
> enclosed tlr..Its great for all the aforementioned reasons...however,when 
> i
> got  it I sold my open one which reduced the net outlay by $1000 at the
> time....great  then but have regretted selling the open tlr ever since 
> because
> of the ease and  convenience of using it around town or hauling just about
> anything for myself or  friends/family. I wish I had kept it....try having 
> a
> tow-motor load a used lathe  into your closed tlr...my ramp wont hold
> that...etc. etc., Rick
>
>
> In a message dated 11/7/2011 12:27:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> norlinengineering at comcast.net writes:
>
> Thought  I'd chime in here too.  I tow the Spitfire in a enclosed 20'
> Pace  behind a 28' Winnebago.  It works great for the most part and
> allows  us to stay at the track which we have always liked.  The average
> mileage drops about 2 mpg from 9.3 to 7.3 when towing.  Gotta drop a
> gear on hills and a strong headwind coming at a slight angle from the
> front (North Dakota) will drop the mileage even further and make the
> driving intense.    I shredded a rear tire on the trailer going  to
> Laguna Seca last June for the Kastner Cup race and didn't even know it
> until someone pulled up beside me and waved and  pointed.
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From bownes at seiri.com  Mon Nov  7 11:39:32 2011
From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:39:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailers
In-Reply-To: <20098.30177c0a.3be9754a@aol.com>
References: <20098.30177c0a.3be9754a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <57135DCA-6272-4EDC-8EC9-E1A2FE6941F0@seiri.com>

Yup. That is exactly why I kept the open trailer too. Just try having the
forklift at the local scrap yard try to take the used up LeMons car out of the
24' Haulmark...



On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:54, REK46 at aol.com wrote:

> I may as well throw in one food for thought too...I bought a 20' Haulmark
> enclosed tlr..Its great for all the aforementioned reasons...however,when i
> got  it I sold my open one which reduced the net outlay by $1000 at the
> time....great  then but have regretted selling the open tlr ever since
because
> of the ease and  convenience of using it around town or hauling just about
> anything for myself or  friends/family. I wish I had kept it....try having a
> tow-motor load a used lathe  into your closed tlr...my ramp wont hold
> that...etc. etc., Rick
>
>
> In a message dated 11/7/2011 12:27:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> norlinengineering at comcast.net writes:
>
> Thought  I'd chime in here too.  I tow the Spitfire in a enclosed 20'
> Pace  behind a 28' Winnebago.  It works great for the most part and
> allows  us to stay at the track which we have always liked.  The average
> mileage drops about 2 mpg from 9.3 to 7.3 when towing.  Gotta drop a
> gear on hills and a strong headwind coming at a slight angle from the
> front (North Dakota) will drop the mileage even further and make the
> driving intense.    I shredded a rear tire on the trailer going  to
> Laguna Seca last June for the Kastner Cup race and didn't even know it
> until someone pulled up beside me and waved and  pointed.
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Nov  7 12:19:19 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:19:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
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Message-ID: <40AF44AC75924856872A0C5A017F9AA9@gdhs.local>

I think that the same Lotus that finished 2nd behind a Sunbeam Tiger at the
VIR Gold Cup....

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Fast race....very well defended against the Lotus.

Cheers
Chris

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Auftrag von dick stockton
Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. November 2011 21:00
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Hi all,

Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks ago,
Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY

- Dick
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Nov  7 12:25:45 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:25:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
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Message-ID: <9C42A2ABE0654821AE61B0A5303CD19A@gdhs.local>

His Lotis is certainly painted the same color

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From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Sam Halkias
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 8:47 AM
To: Mordy Dunst; stocktontr4 at gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?

Sam


> From: gasket.works at gte.net
> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
> To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>
> Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
> attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and metal
> suffered.
>
> Mordy
>
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
> > weeks
ago,
> > Enjoy.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> >
> > - Dick
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Nov  7 12:28:34 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:28:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
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In my humble opinion. Wilson was at fault.

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From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Alexandre Camoletti
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:35 AM
To: 'Sam Halkias'; 'Mordy Dunst'; stocktontr4 at gmail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


Gents, is the Lotus at fault ? It seems to me the TR4 just followed the
inside radius and the Lotus went against as it tried to close the door?
Sorry it may be a newbie questions but the most I learn before going on the
track, the best it is! Cheers! Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Sam Halkias Envoyi : lundi 7 novembre 2011 14:47 @ : Mordy Dunst;
stocktontr4 at gmail.com Cc : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4
NJMP in car

Was that Dennis Wilson in the Loti?

Sam


> From: gasket.works at gte.net
> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:14:04 -0800
> To: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>
> Nice drive .... I'm sure chief steward was particularly interested the
> attempted pass. Thanks for sharing. Gratefully only egos and metal
> suffered.
>
> Mordy
>
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:59 AM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
> > weeks
ago,
> > Enjoy.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> >
> > - Dick
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 12:34:42 2011
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:34:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fot Trailers
Message-ID: <1E31B480-A15A-4EBD-B0ED-0108B2C1ECA0@aol.com>

YEARS ago I purchased a "Tommy's" aluminum trailer which is an open trailer
with a "topper" on it.  It is an aluminum skeleton covered in a vinyl cover.
We pulled it to California in '93 with an'83 F-150 with a manual transmission
with OD in July.  We figured out pretty quick that we were going to have a
better tow rig.  It was like pulling a parachute.  We could not run the AC or
use the OD.  I was a long hot trip.  We bought a '95 F-350 with a 460 in it
and couldn't pass a gas station with it.  Bought a '97 F-350 Diesel and were
still not satisfied with it.  It just wouldn't pull.  Finally bought an early
'99 Power Stroke (with the cast iron engine) and we still have the same truck.
With a 4400 pound Jag XJS and not sway bars on the trailer we could run 80 mph
with the cruise and AC on.


From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Nov  7 14:25:57 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:25:57 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Trailers and mileage
In-Reply-To: <A6E4A633-558A-403B-ABCD-8909086CFDF2@me.com>
References: <BLU160-W1950218722157234E986C9BAD80@phx.gbl>
	<A6E4A633-558A-403B-ABCD-8909086CFDF2@me.com>
Message-ID: <4EB84CE5.6000203@pobox.com>

I don't think anyone has mentioned you can work on your car inside too.  
I'll never forget the cam swap we did at Mid Ohio in 2002.  I have an 
18' Haulmark with the slanted nose.  I believe the slant nose helps with 
the gas mileage, but unfortunately they no longer offer it.  I used to 
get about 9mpg with my 2000 Expedition.  I always wanted a diesel, but I 
didn't want to go to a 3/4 or 1 ton truck.  Unfortunately, no US maker 
puts a diesel in anything smaller, but the Germans do.  I replaced it 
with a BMW X5 3.0 TDI  which pulls stronger and gets 50% better 
mileage.  Ok, so it was a little pricey. As Scott said, it needs an 
anti-sway device.
Larry


From stocktontr4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 14:57:30 2011
From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com (dick stockton)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:57:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CA+1coLi8U5gviAGUb8FLT1xk3C3bomqOXuknHB3yqNbimbxR4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT120-W256AB7CEF31F3DBA52483DFD80@phx.gbl>
	<CA+1coLi8U5gviAGUb8FLT1xk3C3bomqOXuknHB3yqNbimbxR4w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+1coLi7SOwCdvvm1czSU2uj2tChBQRhRaa-yFVfceSiBkY9VQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

The driver was Denny Wilson. Stewards ruled in my favor and he was put on
probation. Thanks for the comments.

- Dick

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:52 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Kas,
>
> How have you been? This is my email address and I picked up a laptop.
> Still trying to figure this out.
>
> Dick
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
>
>>  Hey hey hey.  You joined the real world? Wonderful Dick. Is this your
>> address or are you on someone elses computer?
>>
>> Never be beaten by equipment
>>
>> > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:59:42 -0500
>> > From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
>> > To: fot at autox.team.net
>> > Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>>
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks
>> ago,
>> > Enjoy.
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
>> >
>> > - Dick
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>> > fot at autox.team.net
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Nov  7 15:47:27 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:47:27 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com><SNT120-W256AB7CEF31F3DBA52483DFD80@phx.gbl><CA+1coLi8U5gviAGUb8FLT1xk3C3bomqOXuknHB3yqNbimbxR4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+1coLi7SOwCdvvm1czSU2uj2tChBQRhRaa-yFVfceSiBkY9VQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <21056F070C314F0BB6BB101D17D6371C@Bud>

That's a Classic..The Lotus trys an outside pass, turns in on you, leaving 
you no place to go, and then..."What tha hell is tha matta with you?!"(:>)
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dick stockton" <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


> Hi all,
>
> The driver was Denny Wilson. Stewards ruled in my favor and he was put on
> probation. Thanks for the comments.
>
> - Dick
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:52 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Kas,
>>
>> How have you been? This is my email address and I picked up a laptop.
>> Still trying to figure this out.
>>
>> Dick
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>  Hey hey hey.  You joined the real world? Wonderful Dick. Is this your
>>> address or are you on someone elses computer?
>>>
>>> Never be beaten by equipment
>>>
>>> > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:59:42 -0500
>>> > From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
>>> > To: fot at autox.team.net
>>> > Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Hi all,
>>> >
>>> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks
>>> ago,
>>> > Enjoy.
>>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
>>> >
>>> > - Dick
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From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 16:04:22 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:04:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CA+1coLi7SOwCdvvm1czSU2uj2tChBQRhRaa-yFVfceSiBkY9VQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT120-W256AB7CEF31F3DBA52483DFD80@phx.gbl>
	<CA+1coLi8U5gviAGUb8FLT1xk3C3bomqOXuknHB3yqNbimbxR4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+1coLi7SOwCdvvm1czSU2uj2tChBQRhRaa-yFVfceSiBkY9VQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9O0YAWbh7M8gf+MFw7+sM6RKgvfOfHgMb2w=TSMR0Akng@mail.gmail.com>

Nice driving , Wilson and Butch McKenzie battled it out at VIR, really
surprised if Wilson stayed ahead.Great video Dick, thanks for sharing.

rob deanes

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:57 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The driver was Denny Wilson. Stewards ruled in my favor and he was put on
> probation. Thanks for the comments.
>
> - Dick
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:52 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Kas,
> >
> > How have you been? This is my email address and I picked up a laptop.
> > Still trying to figure this out.
> >
> > Dick
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >>  Hey hey hey.  You joined the real world? Wonderful Dick. Is this your
> >> address or are you on someone elses computer?
> >>
> >> Never be beaten by equipment
> >>
> >> > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:59:42 -0500
> >> > From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> >> > To: fot at autox.team.net
> >> > Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>  >>
> >> >
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few weeks
> >> ago,
> >> > Enjoy.
> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> >> >
> >> > - Dick
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > fot at autox.team.net
> >> >
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Nov  7 16:39:57 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:39:57 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CAP9qD9O0YAWbh7M8gf+MFw7+sM6RKgvfOfHgMb2w=TSMR0Akng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT120-W256AB7CEF31F3DBA52483DFD80@phx.gbl>
	<CA+1coLi8U5gviAGUb8FLT1xk3C3bomqOXuknHB3yqNbimbxR4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+1coLi7SOwCdvvm1czSU2uj2tChBQRhRaa-yFVfceSiBkY9VQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP9qD9O0YAWbh7M8gf+MFw7+sM6RKgvfOfHgMb2w=TSMR0Akng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F05FF64@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

Did the Wilson histrionics remind anyone else of the Snoopy versus the Red
Barron cartoon they used to show at Christmas time? The Red Baron all in an
uproar? Put the last section of that video to the Royal Guardsman Classic:

After the turn of the century
In the clear blue skies over Germany
Came a roar and a thunder men had never heard
Like the scream and the sound of a big war bird
Up in the sky, a man in a plane
Baron von Richtofin was his name
Eighty men tried, and eighty men died
Now they're buried together on the countryside

Chorus:
Ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty or more
The Bloody Red Baron was rollin' out the score
Eighty men died tryin' to end that spree
Of the Bloody Red Baron of Germany

In the nick of time, a hero arose
A funny-looking dog with a big black nose
He flew into the sky to seek revenge
But the Baron shot him down--"Curses, foiled again!"

Now, Snoopy had sworn that he'd get that man
So he asked the Great Pumpkin for a new battle plan
He challenged the German to a real dogfight
While the Baron was laughing, he got him in his sight

That Bloody Red Baron was in a fix
He'd tried everything, but he'd run out of tricks
Snoopy fired once, and he fired twice
And that Bloody Red Baron went spinning out of sight

Talk about off topic :) I guess just in one of those good moods
today.............Snoopy can do that and I hope it lasts.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Robert Deanes
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 5:04 PM
To: dick stockton
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Nice driving , Wilson and Butch McKenzie battled it out at VIR, really
surprised if Wilson stayed ahead.Great video Dick, thanks for sharing.

rob deanes

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:57 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The driver was Denny Wilson. Stewards ruled in my favor and he was put
> on probation. Thanks for the comments.
>
> - Dick
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:52 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Kas,
> >
> > How have you been? This is my email address and I picked up a laptop.
> > Still trying to figure this out.
> >
> > Dick
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >>  Hey hey hey.  You joined the real world? Wonderful Dick. Is this
> >> your address or are you on someone elses computer?
> >>
> >> Never be beaten by equipment
> >>
> >> > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:59:42 -0500
> >> > From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> >> > To: fot at autox.team.net
> >> > Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>  >>
> >> >
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
> >> > weeks
> >> ago,
> >> > Enjoy.
> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> >> >
> >> > - Dick
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > fot at autox.team.net
> >> >
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From jfrymark at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 19:46:24 2011
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:46:24 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
Message-ID: <BB68CAC4-AAC5-401C-8B60-05F564E66FE6@aol.com>

I'm surprised nobody mentioned the start. I presume the Lotus had pole  
and controlled the start from the pace car. He just took off and  
didn't let the grid form up for the green flag. Maybe probation will  
allow the "red fog" to lift, but probably not.

John Frymark


From fpspitfire at comcast.net  Mon Nov  7 21:05:51 2011
From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (Aaron Johnson)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 04:05:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <BB68CAC4-AAC5-401C-8B60-05F564E66FE6@aol.com>
References: <BB68CAC4-AAC5-401C-8B60-05F564E66FE6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <45CFFC59-7EAD-4FE8-8B52-9C7AA6C4B15C@comcast.net>

I probably shouldn't get into this but.   You guys crack me up.

If I'm behind someone who gets that much wheel spin and that horrible of a rub
off the corner you can damn sure bet I'm going outside and going to drop down
a but to get the position yielded.

It is RACING after all.  If your supposed to just run behind, why flipping
bother

Aaron
#87 HP Spitfire 1500
Southern Illinois Region SCCA

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:46, John Frymark <jfrymarkoyls at aol.com> wrote:

> I'm surprised nobody mentioned the start. I presume the Lotus had pole and
controlled the start from the pace car. He just took off and didn't let the
grid form up for the green flag. Maybe probation will allow the "red fog" to
lift, but probably not.
>
> John Frymark
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 08:24:22 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 10:24:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
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In a message dated 11/07/2011 10:23:30 PM Central Standard Time, 
fpspitfire at comcast.net writes:


> <<< I probably shouldn't get into this but. >>>
Right!
   <<< You guys crack me up. >>>
More likely the reverse is true.

Recall, we're watching a 'vintage' race.  Not NASCAR.  Not SCCA.

Bill Dentinger


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Tue Nov  8 09:18:49 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:18:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CAP9qD9O0YAWbh7M8gf+MFw7+sM6RKgvfOfHgMb2w=TSMR0Akng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DF78C17D03A7477086703A2B392EAD48@gdhs.local>

Don't forget that Ceasar Cone and his Alfa beat McKenzie and was gaining on
Wilson at race end....

John H. Hasty
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Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 6:04 PM
To: dick stockton
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


Nice driving , Wilson and Butch McKenzie battled it out at VIR, really
surprised if Wilson stayed ahead.Great video Dick, thanks for sharing.

rob deanes

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:57 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The driver was Denny Wilson. Stewards ruled in my favor and he was put
> on probation. Thanks for the comments.
>
> - Dick
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:52 PM, dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Kas,
> >
> > How have you been? This is my email address and I picked up a
> > laptop. Still trying to figure this out.
> >
> > Dick
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >>  Hey hey hey.  You joined the real world? Wonderful Dick. Is this
> >> your address or are you on someone elses computer?
> >>
> >> Never be beaten by equipment
> >>
> >> > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:59:42 -0500
> >> > From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com
> >> > To: fot at autox.team.net
> >> > Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>  >>
> >> >
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > Here is video from the Saturday race at SVRA's NJMP event a few
> >> > weeks
> >> ago,
> >> > Enjoy.
> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsDxf6WbuY
> >> >
> >> > - Dick
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> >> >
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Tue Nov  8 09:26:59 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:26:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <45CFFC59-7EAD-4FE8-8B52-9C7AA6C4B15C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CE7E76878FB7477BB3DDD03B081B0BF1@gdhs.local>

Spoken like a true group 1 guy!

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


I probably shouldn't get into this but.   You guys crack me up.

If I'm behind someone who gets that much wheel spin and that horrible of a
rub off the corner you can damn sure bet I'm going outside and going to drop
down a but to get the position yielded.

It is RACING after all.  If your supposed to just run behind, why flipping
bother

Aaron
#87 HP Spitfire 1500
Southern Illinois Region SCCA

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:46, John Frymark <jfrymarkoyls at aol.com> wrote:

> I'm surprised nobody mentioned the start. I presume the Lotus had pole
> and
controlled the start from the pace car. He just took off and didn't let the
grid form up for the green flag. Maybe probation will allow the "red fog" to
lift, but probably not.
>
> John Frymark
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Tue Nov  8 10:25:17 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:25:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
References: <BB68CAC4-AAC5-401C-8B60-05F564E66FE6@aol.com>
	<45CFFC59-7EAD-4FE8-8B52-9C7AA6C4B15C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <ECBC3B23C9AB448791CA842C33D31845@owner8914bbf7f>

I probably shouldn't get into this, but here goes:
This was a vintage race, not a regional or national. We don't have runoffs 
at the end of the year. We (most of us) do this for fun, and the friendships 
we develope. Not for a national championship or a trophy.
The vintage guys stress safety; it's a no-contact sport. Sometimes things do 
happen, but outward aggression on the track is not acceptable. The Lotus 
driver is on a 13 month probation.
Some vintage organizations tell you at the driver's meeting: if you REALLY 
need a trophy, they will give you one. If not , drive sensibly. And have 
fun.
At the W G Vintage race in Sept, I had a great race with a 356 Porsche. We 
both had a blast. Didn't matter who won. I talked to the driver of the 356 
after the race; we were both elated with the race. No trophy can ever be 
better than that feeling. And we were mid pack!-
Just my 2 cents worth.
Peace, Bill Tobin  SVRA & VRG Vintage driver---- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aaron Johnson" <fpspitfire at comcast.net>
To: "John Frymark" <jfrymark at aol.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


>I probably shouldn't get into this but.   You guys crack me up.
>
> If I'm behind someone who gets that much wheel spin and that horrible of a 
> rub
> off the corner you can damn sure bet I'm going outside and going to drop 
> down
> a but to get the position yielded.
>
> It is RACING after all.  If your supposed to just run behind, why flipping
> bother
>
> Aaron
> #87 HP Spitfire 1500
> Southern Illinois Region SCCA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:46, John Frymark <jfrymarkoyls at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm surprised nobody mentioned the start. I presume the Lotus had pole 
>> and
> controlled the start from the pace car. He just took off and didn't let 
> the
> grid form up for the green flag. Maybe probation will allow the "red fog" 
> to
> lift, but probably not.
>>
>> John Frymark
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Nov  8 10:43:56 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:43:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CE7E76878FB7477BB3DDD03B081B0BF1@gdhs.local>
Message-ID: <140100963.1668273.1320774236482.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Aaron,

Frankly turning down on Dick was a bonehead move, period. All he had to do was
hold the outside

next to dick until the exit at which time he would limit the amount Dick could
track out on exit, thus

forcing Dick to lift.

I would'nt have done something that stupid in the SCCA, for money. Nothing
ever good comes from

turning down on someone from the outside.

just my .02



Jim G



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Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Spoken like a true group 1 guy!

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Behalf Of Aaron Johnson
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:06 PM
To: John Frymark
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


I probably shouldn't get into this but. B  You guys crack me up.

If I'm behind someone who gets that much wheel spin and that horrible of a
rub off the corner you can damn sure bet I'm going outside and going to drop
down a but to get the position yielded.

It is RACING after all. B If your supposed to just run behind, why flipping
bother

Aaron
#87 HP Spitfire 1500
Southern Illinois Region SCCA

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:46, John Frymark <jfrymarkoyls at aol.com> wrote:

> I'm surprised nobody mentioned the start. I presume the Lotus had pole
> and
controlled the start from the pace car. He just took off and didn't let the
grid form up for the green flag. Maybe probation will allow the "red fog" to
lift, but probably not.
>
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From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Nov  8 11:25:00 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:25:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nilos hub seal
References: <C40FEF55-82FC-48E4-A928-1CACE7207CFB@REcatalyst.com>
Message-ID: <D289EA66-8418-47E2-8737-95EC6BD77C98@me.com>

Anyone have any experience using these as the inner bearing seal on front hubs?  I'm thinking about using them to replace the felt seals on my GT6 that leak and fall apart every time I disassemble the hubs.


From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Nov  8 11:27:58 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 10:27:58 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
References: <BB68CAC4-AAC5-401C-8B60-05F564E66FE6@aol.com><45CFFC59-7EAD-4FE8-8B52-9C7AA6C4B15C@comcast.net>
	<ECBC3B23C9AB448791CA842C33D31845@owner8914bbf7f>
Message-ID: <35BEF30646B24FCCBB718DDDC6C18070@Bud>

To Bill Tobin, Aaron, and all....

I'm in total agreement with Bill...Vintage racing is different from present 
day SCCA racing, although not a lot different from SCCA in the 1960s, where 
we were expected to race clean and make clean passes....One of the things I 
like the most about racing in vintage is the 'decision making' 
process'...being able to make a split-second decision about a pass, knowing 
that it HAS TO BE a clean pass, not just Hoping that it's a clean pass..
Racer Bud..Spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "william r tobin" <william.tobin31 at verizon.net>
To: "Aaron Johnson" <fpspitfire at comcast.net>; "John Frymark" 
<jfrymark at aol.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car


>I probably shouldn't get into this, but here goes:
> This was a vintage race, not a regional or national. We don't have runoffs 
> at the end of the year. We (most of us) do this for fun, and the 
> friendships we develope. Not for a national championship or a trophy.
> The vintage guys stress safety; it's a no-contact sport. Sometimes things 
> do happen, but outward aggression on the track is not acceptable. The 
> Lotus driver is on a 13 month probation.
> Some vintage organizations tell you at the driver's meeting: if you REALLY 
> need a trophy, they will give you one. If not , drive sensibly. And have 
> fun.
> At the W G Vintage race in Sept, I had a great race with a 356 Porsche. We 
> both had a blast. Didn't matter who won. I talked to the driver of the 356 
> after the race; we were both elated with the race. No trophy can ever be 
> better than that feeling. And we were mid pack!-
> Just my 2 cents worth.
> Peace, Bill Tobin  SVRA & VRG Vintage driver---- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Aaron Johnson" <fpspitfire at comcast.net>
> To: "John Frymark" <jfrymark at aol.com>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
>
>
>>I probably shouldn't get into this but.   You guys crack me up.
>>
>> If I'm behind someone who gets that much wheel spin and that horrible of 
>> a rub
>> off the corner you can damn sure bet I'm going outside and going to drop 
>> down
>> a but to get the position yielded.
>>
>> It is RACING after all.  If your supposed to just run behind, why 
>> flipping
>> bother
>>
>> Aaron
>> #87 HP Spitfire 1500
>> Southern Illinois Region SCCA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:46, John Frymark <jfrymarkoyls at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm surprised nobody mentioned the start. I presume the Lotus had pole 
>>> and
>> controlled the start from the pace car. He just took off and didn't let 
>> the
>> grid form up for the green flag. Maybe probation will allow the "red fog" 
>> to
>> lift, but probably not.
>>>
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 12:50:40 2011
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:50:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Barber video
Message-ID: <1320781840.50808.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

While we are sharing videos. Here is this years race at the beautiful Barber
Motorsports Park in Birmingham, Alabama.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksdV3rdLzHk
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KICAEQJz47Y
 
Mike


From chasgee at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 15:38:23 2011
From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:38:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Nilos hub seal
In-Reply-To: <D289EA66-8418-47E2-8737-95EC6BD77C98@me.com>
References: <C40FEF55-82FC-48E4-A928-1CACE7207CFB@REcatalyst.com>
	<D289EA66-8418-47E2-8737-95EC6BD77C98@me.com>
Message-ID: <8CE6C7E41AC741A-5E8-13963A@Webmail-m119.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Scott,

Take a look at Kas's latest book.  I used these on my GT6 and they work well.
I think Steve Smith also uses them.  Dave Bean Engineering sells the set
(inner and outer seals and other hardware for both sides) for use on Formula
Fords and Lotii.  Just specify the GT6 size when you talk to them.

In case you don't have their contact info, you can find it here:
http://www.davebean.com/

Chuck


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:43 am
Subject: [Fot] Nilos hub seal


Anyone have any experience using these as the inner bearing seal on front
hubs?
'm thinking about using them to replace the felt seals on my GT6 that leak and
all apart every time I disassemble the hubs.
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  9 04:28:36 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:28:36 +0100
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure
References: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com> 
Message-ID: <002001cc9ed2$bb659820$3230c860$@com>

Update:

After the hardening I can report some success!!
The teeth show NO wear anymore.
The contacting surface is glossy polished but no marks of teeth digging
into.

>From my point of view it should be advisable to plasma nitrate harden the
gear wheel to a depth of 0,2 mm.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Oktober 2011 16:10
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure

I would like to give an update:

I did a hardness check on the distributor gear:

HRC 38 to 43 (stock)
After plasma nitrating
48 - 54 HRC

So the surface is now harder and I'll report how the gear will behave.

Cheers
Chris


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Nov  9 06:16:52 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 08:16:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <002001cc9ed2$bb659820$3230c860$@com>
References: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com> 
	<002001cc9ed2$bb659820$3230c860$@com>
Message-ID: <8CE6CF8FADFF473-EE4-1EB9D7@webmail-m153.sysops.aol.com>

 Chris,

Is this OEM gear or aftermarket?....if there is an aftermarket offering.

What about hardening the mating gear?

Great to see the FOT LIST alive with valuable information.





-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 5:50 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure


Update:

After the hardening I can report some success!!
The teeth show NO wear anymore.
The contacting surface is glossy polished but no marks of teeth digging
into.

>From my point of view it should be advisable to plasma nitrate harden the
gear wheel to a depth of 0,2 mm.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Oktober 2011 16:10
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure

I would like to give an update:

I did a hardness check on the distributor gear:

HRC 38 to 43 (stock)
After plasma nitrating
48 - 54 HRC

So the surface is now harder and I'll report how the gear will behave.

Cheers
Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  9 07:29:54 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:29:54 +0100
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <8CE6CF8FADFF473-EE4-1EB9D7@webmail-m153.sysops.aol.com>
References: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com> 
	<002001cc9ed2$bb659820$3230c860$@com>
	<8CE6CF8FADFF473-EE4-1EB9D7@webmail-m153.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <004c01cc9eec$1be93300$53bb9900$@com>

Hi Joe,



it is a stock gear as far I know no aftermarket gear was made til now but
there will be in short future.



The mating gear was hardened too.



The whole story:

I got Larrys cam and let it nitrate harden. Then after each race I checked
the gears and found wear from the first race on.

After the 3H race at the ring I replaced the gear with the hardened one.



Cheers

Chris



Von: n197tr4 at cs.com [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. November 2011 14:17
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure



Chris,

Is this OEM gear or aftermarket?....if there is an aftermarket offering.

What about hardening the mating gear?

Great to see the FOT LIST alive with valuable information.





-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 5:50 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure

Update:

After the hardening I can report some success!!
The teeth show NO wear anymore.
The contacting surface is glossy polished but no marks of teeth digging
into.

>From my point of view it should be advisable to plasma nitrate harden the
gear wheel to a depth of 0,2 mm.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com
<mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com?> ]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Oktober 2011 16:10
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure

I would like to give an update:

I did a hardness check on the distributor gear:

HRC 38 to 43 (stock)
After plasma nitrating
48 - 54 HRC

So the surface is now harder and I'll report how the gear will behave.

Cheers
Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  9 08:47:48 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:47:48 +0100
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <8CE6CF8FADFF473-EE4-1EB9D7@webmail-m153.sysops.aol.com>
References: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com> 
	<002001cc9ed2$bb659820$3230c860$@com>
	<8CE6CF8FADFF473-EE4-1EB9D7@webmail-m153.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <009601cc9ef6$f0da17f0$d28e47d0$@com>

Like a photo?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dH1-jrzKEoY/TrqgElC6XhI/AAAAAAAABDQ/pqko8
X55UGU/s720/DSC02315.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-m8_mK2EWZHw/TrqgMm20cgI/AAAAAAAABDU/wuqdX
U_5zpQ/s720/DSC02316.JPG

 

 

Von: n197tr4 at cs.com [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. November 2011 14:17
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure

 

Chris,

Is this OEM gear or aftermarket?....if there is an aftermarket offering.

What about hardening the mating gear?

Great to see the FOT LIST alive with valuable information.

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 5:50 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure

Update:
 
After the hardening I can report some success!!
The teeth show NO wear anymore.
The contacting surface is glossy polished but no marks of teeth digging
into.
 
>From my point of view it should be advisable to plasma nitrate harden the
gear wheel to a depth of 0,2 mm.
 
Cheers
Chris
 
-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com
<mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com?> ]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Oktober 2011 16:10
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: AW: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure
 
I would like to give an update:
 
I did a hardness check on the distributor gear:
 
HRC 38 to 43 (stock)
After plasma nitrating
48 - 54 HRC
 
So the surface is now harder and I'll report how the gear will behave.
 
Cheers
Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Nov 10 06:48:54 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:48:54 +0100
Subject: [Fot] funny
In-Reply-To: <6F54ED51-9FA9-4901-A2C4-0062F0A1CBF9@virgin.net>
References: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com>
	<002001cc9ed2$bb659820$3230c860$@com>
	<4A401780-E207-43C6-AB0B-D75567A71BB9@virgin.net>
	<009201cc9ef6$6ff48120$4fdd8360$@com>
	<6F54ED51-9FA9-4901-A2C4-0062F0A1CBF9@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <001d01cc9faf$7eceff90$7c6cfeb0$@com>

Homemade music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfuP6DVOK_0&feature=relmfu

Cheers
Chris 


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 10:05:21 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:05:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] testing
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9NBo3zUc9+x3746XFht1se1Mus2otW-rnQNWibGubHHQA@mail.gmail.com>

1-2-3

-- 
rob deanes
TR Racer


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 05:51:37 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:51:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SCCA Racers
In-Reply-To: <CAP9qD9MWaET3N=DVmTzPFsjH_q3sM3xR06+n7Rjw-isaFC+PpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP9qD9MWaET3N=DVmTzPFsjH_q3sM3xR06+n7Rjw-isaFC+PpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9MC0BCDEnZdNkSUjKRWL=tC9KH356Pgxasbm8OBR6aaxA@mail.gmail.com>

Subject: SCCA Racers

Don't know if any of you get the SCCA SportsCar magazine but there is Sam
Halkias pictures racing in back to back issues...nice shots and Steve
Sargis in his Spitfire with 2011 Triple Crown at Chicago in the new
issue....way to go guys...as someone once said..." the shape of things
still here".....you guys battling in SCCA make me proud in vintage
racing..to know that our cars can still win against the newer cars....keep
up the good work.

 rob deanes
TR-4 Racer




-- 
second sending 10 hrs later


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 17:36:58 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:36:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Racers
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9MWaET3N=DVmTzPFsjH_q3sM3xR06+n7Rjw-isaFC+PpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Don't know if any of you get the SCCA SportsCar magazine but there is Sam
Halkias pictures racing in back to back issues...nice shots and Steve
Sargis in his Spitfire with 2011 Triple Crown at Chicago in the new
issue....way to go guys...as someone once said..." the shape of things
still here".....you guys battling in SCCA make me proud in vintage
racing..to know that our cars can still win against the newer cars....keep
up the good work.

 rob deanes
TR-4 Racer


From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Thu Nov 10 22:18:21 2011
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:18:21 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure
References: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com>
	<002001cc9ed2$bb659820$3230c860$@com>
	<8CE6CF8FADFF473-EE4-1EB9D7@webmail-m153.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <DCB6D1CAF77A4A45899F056A8DDE49DD@your89d26e0447>

Max,
    Did you check the hardness of the gear on the camshaft?
                                                                             
                        Greg Solow 


From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Fri Nov 11 06:08:36 2011
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:08:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <C22F4A3F0AA3EA488D30A42FC8A4817639B22A2977@DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local>

Joe,

Got the Spitfire engine plate but haven't ever got a bill form you to get you
paid. Please send it.
info at dieselperformanceparts.com<mailto:inf0 at dieselperformanceparts.com>
thanks!

Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax

www.dieselperformanceparts.com


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 11 08:42:58 2011
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:42:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] 11.11.11
Message-ID: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

happy Veteran's Day


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Nov 11 08:45:24 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:45:24 +0100
Subject: [Fot] 11.11.11
In-Reply-To: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004101cca088$efd371b0$cf7a5510$@com>

And start of the 5th yearly season....the Carnival season in Germany :-)

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Betreff: [Fot] 11.11.11

happy Veteran's Day
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From bownes at seiri.com  Fri Nov 11 08:48:17 2011
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:48:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 11.11.11
In-Reply-To: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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And a thanks to all the veterans.

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>wrote:

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Nov 11 10:16:41 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:16:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] MACAU REPLICA PROJECT IN CANADA
In-Reply-To: <000301cca093$03790040$0a6b00c0$@net>
References: <542c4.56bf3981.3a4a1a5d@cs.com>
	<000301cca093$03790040$0a6b00c0$@net>
Message-ID: <8CE6EACD07EDC8E-122C-24049@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com>

 FOT,

Anyone around the world have any source of parts for a MACAU replica?

A rear alloy wing specifically.

Seems like a worthy project.

Contact information included here.

Joe Alexander





-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Tanguay <tanguay at telus.net>
To: N197TR4 <N197TR4 at cs.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 11, 2011 10:57 am
Subject: RE: A.R.E.   Quote


Hello Joe
It has been an extremely busy year for me and I am sure for you as well.
I am finally getting back to my Macau replica project. Some of my other
alloy panels arrived from the UK in the summer from Canely Classics and
other places.
I am only going to take the alloy panels as far as the outer skin due to the
fact that it is now near impossible to find the firewall and inner structure
in alloy panels anymore. The only exterior panel I am missing is the UK
Driver's side (our passenger side) Rear alloy wing.
I am swapping the driver's side to that of the original Macau, the UK side.

In your travels or your connections would you know of anyone with an extra
rear alloy wing that they would be willing to part with?
Would Kas know anyone either? Please let me know either way so I am not
pestering you.


Kind Regards
Ken Tanguay
574 HAZELWOOD PLACE
QUALICUM BEACH, BC
V9K 1A1
CANADA
Ph: 250 752 1920


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Nov 11 10:21:22 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:21:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: Old Time Motorcycles
Message-ID: <2D1557E65BD94DEFAA2B881606540888@gdhs.local>

Don't know if any of you all are or ever were into motorcycles, but here are
some great pics of historical ones.



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-----Original Message-----
From: Gene trobaugh [mailto:gene at benchmasterfurniture.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:45 PM
To: 'Dick Raczuk'; 'John Donaldson'; joe at jrramos.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com;
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Subject: FW: Old Time Motorcycles



Some look like art, some look like farm equipment   all of them Historical



G

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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 11 10:44:55 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:44:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Windscreen
Message-ID: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>

Any suggestions for options and sources for a racing windscreen for a
spitfire?

Thanks,

Marty


From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Fri Nov 11 13:58:22 2011
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:58:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 11.11.11
In-Reply-To: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001001cca0b4$a66a17f0$f33e47d0$@net>

The Admiral

You just have to appreciate this one. 
Young people forget that we older people had a career before we retired.....
.

Charley, a new retiree-greeter at Wal-Mart, just couldn't seem to get to
work on time. 
Every day he was 5, 10, 15 minutes late. But he was a good worker, really
tidy, clean-shaven, 
sharp-minded and a real credit to the company and obviously demonstrating
their 
"Older Person Friendly" policies. 

One day the boss called him into the office for a talk. 

"Charley, I have to tell you, I like your work ethic, you do a bang-up job 
when you finally get here; but your being late so often is quite
bothersome."

"Yes, I know boss, and I am working on it." 

"Well good, you are a team player. That's what I like to hear. 

Yes sir, I understand your concern and I will try harder. 

Seeming puzzled, the manager went on to comment, I know you're retired from
the 
Armed Forces. What did they say to you there if you showed up in the morning
late so often?" 

The old man looked down at the floor, then smiled. He chuckled quietly, then
said with a grin, 

"They usually saluted and said, Good morning, Admiral, can I get your
coffee, sir!


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 15:23:56 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:23:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Windscreen
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5305264B-FFBF-4B0E-A248-50967D307F83@aol.com>

I would be interested also.

I know in Kas new book Chuck makes one from lexan and explains how he did it.


On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:44 PM, marty sukey wrote:

> Any suggestions for options and sources for a racing windscreen for a
> spitfire?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Marty
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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> 

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www.SeaCubeCo.com
SeaCubeCo at aol.com
(609) 319-4322


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 15:07:45 2011
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:07:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Racing at TWS -- video Nov 2011
In-Reply-To: <001001cca0b4$a66a17f0$f33e47d0$@net>
References: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<001001cca0b4$a66a17f0$f33e47d0$@net>
Message-ID: <16F59E2A-0D5B-407C-B8F7-C0D1EB1D1A9C@gmail.com>

No Triumphs visible, but under that Union Jack on the hood of the Morgan is a
TR lump.

http://tinyurl.com/cq6c83t

Duncan Charlton
Elgin, TX
1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Fri Nov 11 16:19:58 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:19:58 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Windscreen
In-Reply-To: <5305264B-FFBF-4B0E-A248-50967D307F83@aol.com>
References: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>
	<5305264B-FFBF-4B0E-A248-50967D307F83@aol.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F0642DB@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

Ted Schumacher/ TSI used to sell one for the TR6. I think they shared
windscreens for some of the years.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of christopher bock
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:24 PM
To: marty sukey
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Windscreen

I would be interested also.

I know in Kas new book Chuck makes one from lexan and explains how he did it.


On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:44 PM, marty sukey wrote:

> Any suggestions for options and sources for a racing windscreen for a
> spitfire?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marty
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>
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From spitracer1296 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 11 17:42:15 2011
From: spitracer1296 at yahoo.com (chris crisenbery)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:42:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Windshields - For Sale
Message-ID: <1321058535.10345.YahooMailNeo@web113802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I'm a fairly new addition to the FOT and I realize that we aren't here to hock
products, so I will say that I have been building racing Spitfire windshields
for about 20 years.  I don't typically advertise but since this is a special
group of Triumph enthusiasts I will make an exception.
 
I build a Plexiglas
one for race cars.  I've attached a pic of my car so you can see what it looks
like.  I can adjust the height of the windshield from as low as 2" to as high
as 7" measured from a flat surface.  The cowl is radi on the Spit so you do
loose some of the height.  For most Spit applications I sell between 5 and 6
inches.  I believe mine is around 5.5 inches as I mount my wink under it. 
I
can build them in clear and smoke, other colors are possible but Plexiglas in
other colors is getting difficult to find and costs more money.   
Again as I
want to be respectful to the group, please feel free to contact me directly
and let me know if I can be of any assistance. 
Chris Crisenbery
work p/n
(517) 783-0710
home p/n (517) 789-8010

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From spitracer1296 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 11 17:46:59 2011
From: spitracer1296 at yahoo.com (chris crisenbery)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:46:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Windshield Pic's
Message-ID: <1321058819.8724.YahooMailNeo@web113802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Woops....looks like you will need to contact me directly if you would like to see pic's....sorry.


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 11 18:27:24 2011
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:27:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] 11.11.11.11
In-Reply-To: <001001cca0b4$a66a17f0$f33e47d0$@net>
References: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<001001cca0b4$a66a17f0$f33e47d0$@net>
Message-ID: <1321061244.86246.YahooMailRC@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My wife ran 11 miles today and left the house at 11:00


The Admiral

You just have to appreciate this one. 
Young people forget that we older people had a career before we retired.....
.

Charley, a new retiree-greeter at Wal-Mart, just couldn't seem to get to
work on time. 
Every day he was 5, 10, 15 minutes late. But he was a good worker, really
tidy, clean-shaven, 
sharp-minded and a real credit to the company and obviously demonstrating
their 
"Older Person Friendly" policies. 

One day the boss called him into the office for a talk. 

"Charley, I have to tell you, I like your work ethic, you do a bang-up job 
when you finally get here; but your being late so often is quite
bothersome."

"Yes, I know boss, and I am working on it." 

"Well good, you are a team player. That's what I like to hear. 

Yes sir, I understand your concern and I will try harder. 

Seeming puzzled, the manager went on to comment, I know you're retired from
the 
Armed Forces. What did they say to you there if you showed up in the morning
late so often?" 

The old man looked down at the floor, then smiled. He chuckled quietly, then
said with a grin, 

"They usually saluted and said, Good morning, Admiral, can I get your
coffee, sir!
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From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Nov 11 19:08:06 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:08:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] 11.11.11.11
References: <1321026178.81677.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><001001cca0b4$a66a17f0$f33e47d0$@net>
	<1321061244.86246.YahooMailRC@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F7A34995A2D24D4E82D75AE68CBB3128@Bud>

Thanks Dennis...A great one!
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis DeLap" <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] 11.11.11.11


> My wife ran 11 miles today and left the house at 11:00
>
>
> The Admiral
>
> You just have to appreciate this one.
> Young people forget that we older people had a career before we 
> retired.....
> .
>
> Charley, a new retiree-greeter at Wal-Mart, just couldn't seem to get to
> work on time.
> Every day he was 5, 10, 15 minutes late. But he was a good worker, really
> tidy, clean-shaven,
> sharp-minded and a real credit to the company and obviously demonstrating
> their
> "Older Person Friendly" policies.
>
> One day the boss called him into the office for a talk.
>
> "Charley, I have to tell you, I like your work ethic, you do a bang-up job
> when you finally get here; but your being late so often is quite
> bothersome."
>
> "Yes, I know boss, and I am working on it."
>
> "Well good, you are a team player. That's what I like to hear.
>
> Yes sir, I understand your concern and I will try harder.
>
> Seeming puzzled, the manager went on to comment, I know you're retired 
> from
> the
> Armed Forces. What did they say to you there if you showed up in the 
> morning
> late so often?"
>
> The old man looked down at the floor, then smiled. He chuckled quietly, 
> then
> said with a grin,
>
> "They usually saluted and said, Good morning, Admiral, can I get your
> coffee, sir!
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Sat Nov 12 08:49:47 2011
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:49:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Windscreen
In-Reply-To: <5305264B-FFBF-4B0E-A248-50967D307F83@aol.com>
References: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>
	<5305264B-FFBF-4B0E-A248-50967D307F83@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EBE959B.9090103@bright.net>

Christopher, we have the molds and make this item.  Smoke color - 
$150+shipping. Ted


On 11/11/2011 5:23 PM, christopher bock wrote:
> I would be interested also.
>
> I know in Kas new book Chuck makes one from lexan and explains how he did it.
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:44 PM, marty sukey wrote:
>
>> Any suggestions for options and sources for a racing windscreen for a
>> spitfire?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Marty
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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>>
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> (609) 319-4322
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 13 07:00:37 2011
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 06:00:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston
Message-ID: <1321192837.4171.YahooMailRC@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - anyone have a ring set for a single 87mm Mahle piston?

Thanks
Dennis


From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 13 20:32:32 2011
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:32:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car
In-Reply-To: <CA+1coLi7SOwCdvvm1czSU2uj2tChBQRhRaa-yFVfceSiBkY9VQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+1coLhDj7y_uCwuuOWTj=vV+Odt1r_4ApgiDdQ6THmTPXTCBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT120-W256AB7CEF31F3DBA52483DFD80@phx.gbl>
	<CA+1coLi8U5gviAGUb8FLT1xk3C3bomqOXuknHB3yqNbimbxR4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+1coLi7SOwCdvvm1czSU2uj2tChBQRhRaa-yFVfceSiBkY9VQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1321241552.310.YahooMailRC@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just got around to watching the video posted last Monday. I completely agree the 
Lotus was in the wrong in failing to leave racing room and would likely have 
received a well-deserved 13/13 in any organization with which I am familiar. 
Most racing organizations have a squirrel list which is shared among clubs, and 
honor each other's probations. 


Gary Schneider
EP 37 TR4
Midwestern Council Chief Steward



________________________________
From: dick stockton <stocktontr4 at gmail.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, November 7, 2011 3:57:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR4 NJMP in car

Hi all,

The driver was Denny Wilson. Stewards ruled in my favor and he was put on
probation. Thanks for the comments.

- Dick


From fpspitfire at comcast.net  Fri Nov 11 10:59:37 2011
From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (Aaron Johnson)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:59:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Windscreen
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8B489F66-55CD-4648-9570-C2E5E213313F@comcast.net>

Try Chris crissenberry.  He's on here I think.  Or ted schumaker

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 11, 2011, at 11:44, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Any suggestions for options and sources for a racing windscreen for a
> spitfire?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marty
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 03:21:34 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 05:21:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Windscreen
In-Reply-To: <4EBE959B.9090103@bright.net>
References: <BLU160-W374C8CAC394257AE403AEABADD0@phx.gbl>
	<5305264B-FFBF-4B0E-A248-50967D307F83@aol.com>
	<4EBE959B.9090103@bright.net>
Message-ID: <45875CA5-2ED6-4B1E-987C-4A26E1EC197C@aol.com>

I want to thank everyone who replied. Thanks to you I found what I Was looking
for.

Thank you

Chris

On Nov 12, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Ted Schumacher <tedtsimx at bright.net> wrote:

> Christopher, we have the molds and make this item.  Smoke color -
$150+shipping. Ted
>
>
> On 11/11/2011 5:23 PM, christopher bock wrote:
>> I would be interested also.
>>
>> I know in Kas new book Chuck makes one from lexan and explains how he did
it.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:44 PM, marty sukey wrote:
>>
>>> Any suggestions for options and sources for a racing windscreen for a
>>> spitfire?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Marty
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Nov 14 09:05:30 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:05:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MC pics
Message-ID: <2A26698238B8408DACE4986134BE889F@gdhs.local>

Sorry, but apparently one cannot attach pics to this site.  If anyone would
like to see the classic motorcycle pics I wrote about last week, just
contact me outside and I'll be happy to forward them....

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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Nov 14 11:41:35 2011
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:41:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] 4.1 R&P
In-Reply-To: <1084680094.1902324.1321295955820.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <589233222.1902525.1321296095078.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hello all, 
Does anyone by chance have a good usable 4.1 ring and pinion that they would be to part with? 
Thanks, 
Dave H. 


From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Nov 14 11:44:07 2011
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:44:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR 4.1 R&P
In-Reply-To: <1648460946.1902628.1321296202287.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <189970916.1902705.1321296247277.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I forgot to mention that the ring and pinion is needed for a TR. 


Thanks again, 
Dave 


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Mon Nov 14 11:54:37 2011
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:54:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 oil consumption issue during break in
In-Reply-To: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F02D930@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
References: <SNT134-W27DA95BA47381F57D25061900A0@phx.gbl>,
	<639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F02D930@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <SNT134-W56A2A0F24E044176EB58FF90C00@phx.gbl>

I know you have all been on the edge of your seats wondering if I was ever
going to figure out what was wrong with my engine and here's the latest
theory.  First, I thought it was the guides, because they were not replaced.
I bought new guides and took them to the machine shop and confronted them.
They disassembled the head and proved to me the guides were good and in the
process I learned how the guides are measured and that I should trust my
machinist more.  So I went home and took out the pistons and returned to the
machine shop where he then showed me that the ends of the "oil control ring
expander" should not be overlapped one notch, but rather butt together so the
oil control rings can function properly.

So now all I have to do is go home and reassemble everything and see if it
works.  Probably will.

Hopefully someone else will learn from my mistake, and I'm glad I didn't break
down and give my engine the big Bon Ami douche treatment.

Cheers Henry Morrison Cedar Crest, NM


>
> Was the block bored, or honed and checked for taper? If the rings didn't
seat it may be too late. Look for the cause of the rings not seating or it
will happen again. Bores freshened up with brush hones often have too much
taper and allow blow by. On racing engines I use WD40 to lube the
rings/pistons for install. I wipe oil on the bores and make sure I have oil
pressure before starting. I want the rings to seat right away.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Southern Construction Inventory Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-687-7422 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
>
>
> Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden
> Subject: [Fot] TR6 oil consumption issue during break in
>
> Well, yeah, I did measure the end gaps on the rings. All were within the
> specifications. The compression numbers when I checked them after 100 or so
miles were low (90 lbs at 7000 ft.) but even. The rings came on the pistons
and were black in color, looked like they had been plated black.
>
> I don't think that I broke any of the rings on installation.
>
> The machine shop told me the guides were OK when I probed them as to why
they didn't ask to replace them additionally they said if they were shot, the
car would still not use that much oil.
>
> I may strike out at the engine physically and violently if I have to
re-rebuild it.
>
> Cheers Henry Morrison
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From rwestfall at ymail.com  Mon Nov 14 12:46:44 2011
From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:46:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Drivers side door
Message-ID: <1321300004.14343.YahooMailClassic@web59911.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

AmiciI am in need of a drivers side door for my TR4A, the one I have was cut
up by the infamous previous owner and I would like to replace it with as good
a 


From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Mon Nov 14 12:51:57 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:51:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 oil consumption issue during break in
References: <SNT134-W27DA95BA47381F57D25061900A0@phx.gbl>,
	<639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F02D930@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
	<SNT134-W56A2A0F24E044176EB58FF90C00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AB825623B6E546989AE77E72443003C7@owner8914bbf7f>

Hi, be sure and stagger the end gaps on the other solid oil control rings 
also. The ones on top and bottom of the expander.
Plus stagger the top 2 rings.
Good luck, Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Henry Morrison" <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 oil consumption issue during break in


>I know you have all been on the edge of your seats wondering if I was ever
> going to figure out what was wrong with my engine and here's the latest
> theory.  First, I thought it was the guides, because they were not 
> replaced.
> I bought new guides and took them to the machine shop and confronted them.
> They disassembled the head and proved to me the guides were good and in 
> the
> process I learned how the guides are measured and that I should trust my
> machinist more.  So I went home and took out the pistons and returned to 
> the
> machine shop where he then showed me that the ends of the "oil control 
> ring
> expander" should not be overlapped one notch, but rather butt together so 
> the
> oil control rings can function properly.
>
> So now all I have to do is go home and reassemble everything and see if it
> works.  Probably will.
>
> Hopefully someone else will learn from my mistake, and I'm glad I didn't 
> break
> down and give my engine the big Bon Ami douche treatment.
>
> Cheers Henry Morrison Cedar Crest, NM
>
>
>>
>> Was the block bored, or honed and checked for taper? If the rings didn't
> seat it may be too late. Look for the cause of the rings not seating or it
> will happen again. Bores freshened up with brush hones often have too much
> taper and allow blow by. On racing engines I use WD40 to lube the
> rings/pistons for install. I wipe oil on the bores and make sure I have 
> oil
> pressure before starting. I want the rings to seat right away.
>>
>> Bob Kramer
>> Southern Construction Inventory Manager
>> RDO Equipment Company
>> 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660
>> 512-687-7422 Office
>> 512-657-8526 Cell
>>
>>
>> Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things 
>> turn
> out. ~John Wooden
>> Subject: [Fot] TR6 oil consumption issue during break in
>>
>> Well, yeah, I did measure the end gaps on the rings. All were within the
>> specifications. The compression numbers when I checked them after 100 or 
>> so
> miles were low (90 lbs at 7000 ft.) but even. The rings came on the 
> pistons
> and were black in color, looked like they had been plated black.
>>
>> I don't think that I broke any of the rings on installation.
>>
>> The machine shop told me the guides were OK when I probed them as to why
> they didn't ask to replace them additionally they said if they were shot, 
> the
> car would still not use that much oil.
>>
>> I may strike out at the engine physically and violently if I have to
> re-rebuild it.
>>
>> Cheers Henry Morrison
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Nov 14 13:54:37 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:54:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Drivers side door
In-Reply-To: <1321300004.14343.YahooMailClassic@web59911.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <1321300004.14343.YahooMailClassic@web59911.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CE7126C187171B-738-4CE0F@Webmail-d116.sysops.aol.com>

i have a couple of them.

both sides

very good condition.

how do we get together on this?







-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Westfall <rwestfall at ymail.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:08 pm
Subject: [Fot] Drivers side door


AmiciI am in need of a drivers side door for my TR4A, the one I have was cut
up by the infamous previous owner and I would like to replace it with as good
a
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From rwestfall at ymail.com  Mon Nov 14 14:48:54 2011
From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:48:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Door
Message-ID: <1321307334.24158.YahooMailClassic@web59909.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Oops, I guess part of my post about a drivers door didn't make it, I'm in
Minneapolis Mn. 


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Nov 14 15:27:23 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:27:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Door
In-Reply-To: <1321307334.24158.YahooMailClassic@web59909.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <1321307334.24158.YahooMailClassic@web59909.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CE7133B654EF72-738-4E345@Webmail-d116.sysops.aol.com>

 I do have a few doors I can let loose of.....Russ has first right of refusal
on the driver's door.

Joe Alexander





-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Westfall <rwestfall at ymail.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 4:19 pm
Subject: [Fot] Door


Oops, I guess part of my post about a drivers door didn't make it, I'm in
Minneapolis Mn.
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Nov 14 16:03:11 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:03:11 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Door
In-Reply-To: <8CE7133B654EF72-738-4E345@Webmail-d116.sysops.aol.com>
References: <1321307334.24158.YahooMailClassic@web59909.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<8CE7133B654EF72-738-4E345@Webmail-d116.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F06572A@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

And when you run out I have a row of them, but mostly TR6.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 4:27 PM
To: rwestfall at ymail.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Door

 I do have a few doors I can let loose of.....Russ has first right of refusal
on the driver's door.

Joe Alexander





-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Westfall <rwestfall at ymail.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 4:19 pm
Subject: [Fot] Door


Oops, I guess part of my post about a drivers door didn't make it, I'm in
Minneapolis Mn.
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Nov 14 16:21:44 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:21:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Door   FOT SWAP MEET AT ROAD ATLANTA?
In-Reply-To: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F06572A@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
References: <1321307334.24158.YahooMailClassic@web59909.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><8CE7133B654EF72-738-4E345@Webmail-d116.sysops.aol.com>
	<639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F06572A@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <8CE713B4E89E5F8-738-4EBB4@Webmail-d116.sysops.aol.com>

 there seems to be no shortage of doors....in this case Russ is only a couple
of hours and we will be able to get together to our mutual benefit.

now subject change    FOT SWAP MEET AT ROAD ATLANTA

at TOPEKA we had an FOT SWAP meet that worked out pretty good for folks.

we should plan this at ROAD ATLANTA........it would need a volunteer to
organize it.

we recently got a shirt coordinator volunteer....there will be a more formal
announcement later.

FOT SWAP MEET might only be throwing big ugly lumps in a pile with a well
written tag.

Sure beats packaging and shipping big ugly lumps.

APPROVALS must go through EVENT CHAIRMAN HENRY FRYE





-----Original Message-----
From: Kramer, Robert <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>
To: n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>; rwestfall <rwestfall at ymail.com>; fot
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 5:03 pm
Subject: RE: [Fot] Door


And when you run out I have a row of them, but mostly TR6.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 4:27 PM
To: rwestfall at ymail.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Door

 I do have a few doors I can let loose of.....Russ has first right of refusal
on
the driver's door.

Joe Alexander





-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Westfall <rwestfall at ymail.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 4:19 pm
Subject: [Fot] Door


Oops, I guess part of my post about a drivers door didn't make it, I'm in
Minneapolis Mn.
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 14 17:02:51 2011
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:02:51 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire caliper bracket
Message-ID: <9627425.1321315371053.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi I am in need of early Spitfire caliper brackets I need a left and a right.  thanks  Joe

Chequered Flag Racing .net
Joseph P. Siam
9833 Deering Ave unit I
Chatsworth Ca 91311
818 350 6222


From koblinger at verizon.net  Mon Nov 14 17:44:45 2011
From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:44:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire caliper bracket
Message-ID: <6778752.218480.1321317885093.JavaMail.root@vznit170116>



From igofaster at att.net  Tue Nov 15 18:57:13 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:57:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Eagles Canyon Toy Run
Message-ID: <1321408633.58656.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Linda Cook is opening her track up for a Toy Run for a day of track time. Linda 
is a really sweet gal and she's pumped a lot of money into Eagles Canyon Raceway 
here in North Texas. If any Triumph or otherwise guys would like a track day for 
a small gift, a food bank offering, and $50 cash, it would be a swell treat in 
any regard.
December 10, 2011. Check out Eagles Canyon website.
Not to be too snobby, I will probably thrash around my Miata for cheap $$$ fun 
and speed...

Road Atlanta is on the mind of several Texas Triumph guys this coming year.. 
holla!

Bobby Whitehead....


From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 11:05:00 2011
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:05:00 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Eagles Canyon Toy Run
In-Reply-To: <1321408633.58656.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1321408633.58656.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNCwQdD7bgvT6s_pgUN2DoAmo5SYH1PgSMmaWi9VmiH_7w@mail.gmail.com>

Bobby and FOT,
I am hoping to make the Mitty/Kas cup this year in my '69 TR6 [well, I will
trailer it down].  I live in the Seattle area and am retired.  My plan is
to leave about the 1st of April and hit a few racing circuits/races on the
way [route is probably down through So Cal then south across the sun belt].

I am interested as to what events may be happening in that time frame and
route. Please advise if you have information about vintage racing
opportuites then.

Thanks,

Chuck

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net> wrote:

> Linda Cook is opening her track up for a Toy Run for a day of track time.
> Linda
> is a really sweet gal and she's pumped a lot of money into Eagles Canyon
> Raceway
> here in North Texas. If any Triumph or otherwise guys would like a track
> day for
> a small gift, a food bank offering, and $50 cash, it would be a swell
> treat in
> any regard.
> December 10, 2011. Check out Eagles Canyon website.
> Not to be too snobby, I will probably thrash around my Miata for cheap $$$
> fun
> and speed...
>
> Road Atlanta is on the mind of several Texas Triumph guys this coming
> year..
> holla!
>
> Bobby Whitehead....
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 19:51:02 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:51:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Simeone Museum wins major award
References: <01f101cca4d0$9a49c360$cedd4a20$@net>
Message-ID: <096A9FFB-0FA0-4F99-B5D7-742A0C485E2A@aol.com>

This is in Philadelphia pa. It is a very neat museum and  I am proud to say I
have been there and I couldn't contain my joy.

Chris

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Pete Bahr" <peteb01 at comcast.net>
> Date: November 16, 2011 9:28:32 PM EST
> To: <bmcsnjmembers at lists.british-steel.org>
> Subject: Simeone Museum wins major award
>

> Since many BMC members have attended the museum, I thought you all would be
interested in this prestigious award.
> Pete Bahr
>
>  ==============   ===============
>
> From: Simeone Museum [mailto:amanda at simeonemuseum.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:59 PM
> To: peteb01 at comcast.net
> Subject: WE WON!!!
>
>
>
> WE WON!!!
>
> THE SIMEONE FOUNDATION AUTOMOTIVE MUSEUM NAMED INTERNATIONAL "MUSEUM OF THE
YEAR"
>
> Dr. Simeone just called from the International Historic Motoring Awards
dinner in London to tell us we have been selected as bMuseum of the Year.b
The judging panel included such noted figures as TV host Jay Leno, vintage car
racer and Pink Floyd drummer Nick Mason, Pebble Beach Chief Judge Ed
Gilbertson, five times Le Mans winner Derek Bell and Lady Susie Moss, wife of
racing icon Sir Stirling Moss, among others.
> The other museums that were considered were the National Motor Museum of
England and the Jaguar Heritage Museum in the UK, the Peterson Museum in Los
Angeles, and the Auto Museum Prototyp in Germany.
>
> bThis is an enormous honor for the Simeone Automotive Museum, especially
considering the quality of the other institutions that were considered,b
said Executive Director Fred Simeone. bThese are the very best automotive
museums in the world and we were humbled just to be considered. To actually
win was beyond our wildest dreams. This award is the greatest international
recognition to which an automotive museum can aspire.b
>
> The results were announced at a black-tie ceremony at Londonbs Renaissance
Hotel at St. Pancras on November 16th.
>
> The Simeone Foundation Automotive Museum, located near the Philadelphia
international Airport, is a 501(c)3 non-profit corporation and encompasses
many of the most significant racing sports cars ever built. The museum opened
in 2008 and since then has been internationally recognized for the quality of
the collectionbs automobiles, and the instructive nature of the displays.
All of the cars have important historic meaning in the development of sports
car road racing, from its beginnings to the 1970s. The museum has been
profiled in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and a variety of
automotive publications.
>
> Other notables on the judging committee included, Horst Bruning, president
of the International Federation of Veteran Automobiles, Ian Callum, design
director of Jaguar Cars, Duncan Wiltshire, Chairman of Motor Racing Legends,
Robert Coucher, international editor of Octane magazine, Peter Stevens,
designer of McLaren F1, and Simon Kidston, international car consultant and
commentator.
>
> From everyone here at the museum, thank you to our volunteers, friends and
everyone who has worked to help make Dr. Simeone's vision a reality. This is
an award we can all share!


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov 17 08:22:59 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:22:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Eagles Canyon Toy Run
In-Reply-To: <CAMc4sNCwQdD7bgvT6s_pgUN2DoAmo5SYH1PgSMmaWi9VmiH_7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1321408633.58656.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CAMc4sNCwQdD7bgvT6s_pgUN2DoAmo5SYH1PgSMmaWi9VmiH_7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CE7353EC88DC0B-93C-8AFD2@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com>

 I think Road America could be an option on the return.

That would be cool to run Road Atlanta and Road America back to back.

A visit to Barber Motorsports Park is in order....what a tribute to road
racing, with an incredible motorsports museum with both motorcycles and cars.

Make no mistake....The 10th Running of the Kastner Cup is going to be EPIC.





-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley <triosan at gmail.com>
To: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>; Friends <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Eagles Canyon Toy Run


Bobby and FOT,
I am hoping to make the Mitty/Kas cup this year in my '69 TR6 [well, I will
trailer it down].  I live in the Seattle area and am retired.  My plan is
to leave about the 1st of April and hit a few racing circuits/races on the
way [route is probably down through So Cal then south across the sun belt].

I am interested as to what events may be happening in that time frame and
route. Please advise if you have information about vintage racing
opportuites then.

Thanks,

Chuck

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net> wrote:

> Linda Cook is opening her track up for a Toy Run for a day of track time.
> Linda
> is a really sweet gal and she's pumped a lot of money into Eagles Canyon
> Raceway
> here in North Texas. If any Triumph or otherwise guys would like a track
> day for
> a small gift, a food bank offering, and $50 cash, it would be a swell
> treat in
> any regard.
> December 10, 2011. Check out Eagles Canyon website.
> Not to be too snobby, I will probably thrash around my Miata for cheap $$$
> fun
> and speed...
>
> Road Atlanta is on the mind of several Texas Triumph guys this coming
> year..
> holla!
>
> Bobby Whitehead....
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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>
>


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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Thu Nov 17 09:02:13 2011
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:02:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Simeone Museum wins major award
In-Reply-To: <096A9FFB-0FA0-4F99-B5D7-742A0C485E2A@aol.com>
References: <01f101cca4d0$9a49c360$cedd4a20$@net>
	<096A9FFB-0FA0-4F99-B5D7-742A0C485E2A@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003901cca542$45b535b0$d11fa110$@hot-tr6.com>

I, also, visited the Simeone Museum shortly after it opened. What a truly
wonderful experience.
If you attend make sure to allow enough time, I'd say 4 hours are needed to
appreciate this great collection.
Walt Hollowell
Abq., NM

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of christopher bock
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 7:51 PM
To: FoTTriumph
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Simeone Museum wins major award

This is in Philadelphia pa. It is a very neat museum and  I am proud to say
I have been there and I couldn't contain my joy.

Chris

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Pete Bahr" <peteb01 at comcast.net>
> Date: November 16, 2011 9:28:32 PM EST
> To: <bmcsnjmembers at lists.british-steel.org>
> Subject: Simeone Museum wins major award
>

> Since many BMC members have attended the museum, I thought you all
> would be
interested in this prestigious award.
> Pete Bahr
>
>  ==============   ===============
>
> From: Simeone Museum [mailto:amanda at simeonemuseum.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:59 PM
> To: peteb01 at comcast.net
> Subject: WE WON!!!
>
>
>
> WE WON!!!
>
> THE SIMEONE FOUNDATION AUTOMOTIVE MUSEUM NAMED INTERNATIONAL "MUSEUM
> OF THE
YEAR"
>
> Dr. Simeone just called from the International Historic Motoring
> Awards
dinner in London to tell us we have been selected as bMuseum of the Year.b
The judging panel included such noted figures as TV host Jay Leno, vintage
car racer and Pink Floyd drummer Nick Mason, Pebble Beach Chief Judge Ed
Gilbertson, five times Le Mans winner Derek Bell and Lady Susie Moss, wife
of racing icon Sir Stirling Moss, among others.
> The other museums that were considered were the National Motor Museum
> of
England and the Jaguar Heritage Museum in the UK, the Peterson Museum in Los
Angeles, and the Auto Museum Prototyp in Germany.
>
> bThis is an enormous honor for the Simeone Automotive Museum,
> especially
considering the quality of the other institutions that were considered,b
said Executive Director Fred Simeone. bThese are the very best automotive
museums in the world and we were humbled just to be considered. To actually
win was beyond our wildest dreams. This award is the greatest international
recognition to which an automotive museum can aspire.b
>
> The results were announced at a black-tie ceremony at Londonbs
> Renaissance
Hotel at St. Pancras on November 16th.
>
> The Simeone Foundation Automotive Museum, located near the
> Philadelphia
international Airport, is a 501(c)3 non-profit corporation and encompasses
many of the most significant racing sports cars ever built. The museum
opened in 2008 and since then has been internationally recognized for the
quality of the collectionbs automobiles, and the instructive nature of the
displays.
All of the cars have important historic meaning in the development of sports
car road racing, from its beginnings to the 1970s. The museum has been
profiled in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and a variety of
automotive publications.
>
> Other notables on the judging committee included, Horst Bruning,
> president
of the International Federation of Veteran Automobiles, Ian Callum, design
director of Jaguar Cars, Duncan Wiltshire, Chairman of Motor Racing Legends,
Robert Coucher, international editor of Octane magazine, Peter Stevens,
designer of McLaren F1, and Simon Kidston, international car consultant and
commentator.
>
> From everyone here at the museum, thank you to our volunteers, friends
> and
everyone who has worked to help make Dr. Simeone's vision a reality. This is
an award we can all share!
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Nov 18 07:53:32 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:53:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] GT6  FLYWHEEL WANTED
Message-ID: <8CE7418F97AA6E5-1E14-96E8A@webmail-d057.sysops.aol.com>

stock or used aftermarket flywheel for a friend working on his GT6.

I assume that the GT6 is different than a TR6?

anyone out there have one?

thanks!

joe a


From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Fri Nov 18 11:36:27 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:36:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hutchens Rage Hybrid reviews
Message-ID: <CALsVEtA5bf4dukSNsMmY6pbmpvNfZhicw2ed_2ETQgNJNAmgJw@mail.gmail.com>

I've been told that I will get a head/neck protection device for Christmas,
but I have to decide which one.  It seems that most folks are using the
HANS device, but I'm curious if any FOTers are using the Rage Hybrid.
These are also approved for SCCA use and claim to have better side impact
protection than the HANS, as well as being more comfortable.  If anyone is
using one of these please let me know how you like it.  Thanks, Don


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Nov 18 12:24:26 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:24:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: [CMSHG] Mosport construction details
In-Reply-To: <4EC3D924.1010504@rogers.com>
References: <4EC3D924.1010504@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <001e01cca627$afc76f00$0f564d00$@rogers.com>

Here is a message that I got on another forum. Details of improvements being
made at Mosport.

 

Paul

 

 

--------------------------------------------

 

  

For those of you who don't partake of Facebook, here is my story today in
Autoblog Canada about the construction details to date at Mosport. Lots of
photos included!

 
<http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/11/16/new-tunnel-marks-the-beginning-of-a-new-e
ra-for-mosport/> http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/11/16/ne...a-for-mosport/ 

-- 
Have a great day,
 
Gary Grant
 
Contributor
Autoblog Canada
 
Publisher
thegarageblog.com
 
Member International Motor Press Association
Member American Racing Press Association

__._,_.___


From jason at multivintage.com  Fri Nov 18 14:11:15 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:11:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Hutchens Rage Hybrid reviews
In-Reply-To: <CALsVEtA5bf4dukSNsMmY6pbmpvNfZhicw2ed_2ETQgNJNAmgJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALsVEtA5bf4dukSNsMmY6pbmpvNfZhicw2ed_2ETQgNJNAmgJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALCydYrCmb0gyL6z3ZRxywkz2D__ObBfeMNZO68LGsSA6OVopQ@mail.gmail.com>

Don,
To one of your points about comfort-
I too had heard a Hans device was uncomfortable and was concerned about
that initially.
However, I can say quite confidently that once strapped in...you do not
even notice it.
I like the Hans, but haven't tried any of the others.

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Don Marshall <donmarshall at nefcom.net>wrote:

> I've been told that I will get a head/neck protection device for Christmas,
> but I have to decide which one.  It seems that most folks are using the
> HANS device, but I'm curious if any FOTers are using the Rage Hybrid.
> These are also approved for SCCA use and claim to have better side impact
> protection than the HANS, as well as being more comfortable.  If anyone is
> using one of these please let me know how you like it.  Thanks, Don
> _______________________________________________
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Nov 18 16:58:35 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:58:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: [CMSHG] Mosport construction details
In-Reply-To: <001e01cca627$afc76f00$0f564d00$@rogers.com>
References: <4EC3D924.1010504@rogers.com>
	<001e01cca627$afc76f00$0f564d00$@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <002f01cca64d$fd606f70$f8214e50$@rogers.com>

http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/11/16/new-tunnel-marks-the-beginning-of-a-new-er
a-for-mosport/



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Paul MacDonald
Sent: November 18, 2011 2:24 PM
To: Fot
Subject: [Fot] FW: [CMSHG] Mosport construction details

Here is a message that I got on another forum. Details of improvements being
made at Mosport.

 

Paul

 

 

--------------------------------------------

 

  

For those of you who don't partake of Facebook, here is my story today in
Autoblog Canada about the construction details to date at Mosport. Lots of
photos included!

 
<http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/11/16/new-tunnel-marks-the-beginning-of-a-new-e
ra-for-mosport/> http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/11/16/ne...a-for-mosport/ 

--
Have a great day,
 
Gary Grant
 
Contributor
Autoblog Canada
 
Publisher
thegarageblog.com
 
Member International Motor Press Association Member American Racing Press
Association

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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 18 19:09:27 2011
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:09:27 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Hutchens Rage Hybrid reviews
In-Reply-To: <CALsVEtA5bf4dukSNsMmY6pbmpvNfZhicw2ed_2ETQgNJNAmgJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALsVEtA5bf4dukSNsMmY6pbmpvNfZhicw2ed_2ETQgNJNAmgJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <835327F0-7BB6-41DC-A82D-AD9D53F02B46@earthlink.net>

I have the Hans and it's great.  World champion Sebastian Vettel and  
ALL the other F1 drivers wear it.  They go a little faster than we do.

~Steve



On Nov 18, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Don Marshall wrote:

I've been told that I will get a head/neck protection device for  
Christmas,
but I have to decide which one.  It seems that most folks are using the
HANS device, but I'm curious if any FOTers are using the Rage Hybrid.
These are also approved for SCCA use and claim to have better side  
impact
protection than the HANS, as well as being more comfortable.  If  
anyone is
using one of these please let me know how you like it.  Thanks, Don
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Nov 18 20:57:44 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 21:57:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
Message-ID: <20111119035758.EB249187868@autox.team.net>

Looks like the Austin Tx Grand Prix is in trouble:
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-gives-austin-until-next-week-to-save-us-gp

Tony


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 21:14:07 2011
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 22:14:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Wire wheel balancing shop in San Antonio?
Message-ID: <7C61F543-C75F-44BE-987E-B5F9DF31A496@gmail.com>

A traveling friend is passing through San Antonio tomorrow and desperately
wants to get his wheels rebalanced before continuing up to Washington State in
his Morgan.  Does anyone know of a wire wheel balancing shop in San Antonio?

Thanks --
Duncan Charlton
Elgin, TX


From jibjib at att.net  Fri Nov 18 22:25:35 2011
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 21:25:35 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Wire wheel balancing shop in San Antonio?
In-Reply-To: <7C61F543-C75F-44BE-987E-B5F9DF31A496@gmail.com>
References: <7C61F543-C75F-44BE-987E-B5F9DF31A496@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <767358515FF74345BD70C1EA4653AF4C@EntCentPC>

If he makes it to Washington State, my local tire shop has the rudge adapter
and can handle the job. 

My suggestion is to call every tire shop in town.  I never thought my local
shop could do it, but the owners have been around for a while and still had
the right parts kicking around.

Jack, just SE of Seattle

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Duncan Charlton
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:14 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Wire wheel balancing shop in San Antonio?

A traveling friend is passing through San Antonio tomorrow and desperately
wants to get his wheels rebalanced before continuing up to Washington State
in
his Morgan.  Does anyone know of a wire wheel balancing shop in San Antonio?

Thanks --
Duncan Charlton
Elgin, TX
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Nov 19 05:06:39 2011
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 07:06:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
In-Reply-To: <20111119035758.EB249187868@autox.team.net>
References: <20111119035758.EB249187868@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <BAY164-ds80676CE2B7A3FB4436966C3C50@phx.gbl>

Is this really a surprise?

My old time SCCA buddies have been discussing this for a week or so now.

To put it bluntly, until a real, established, BIG TIME NAME in American
industry, coupled with a professional, established promoter of a successful
American road racing series
gets in the act, (Not the SCCA BTW), there will never be a solid US GP.

Formula One is the biggest of the big leagues, and frankly, when it come to
road racing, we are just a farm club now a days.  It did not used to be this
way.  Anyone remember the real CAN AM or original IMSA series?

Terry Stetler
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  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:57 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1


  Looks like the Austin Tx Grand Prix is in trouble:
  http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-gives-austin-until-nex
t-week-to-save-us-gp<http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-giv
es-austin-until-next-week-to-save-us-gp>

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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sat Nov 19 06:53:07 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 08:53:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
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Terry, don't forget Trans Am from the 60"s/70's.
I lost interest in F1 years ago. It seems to be all about money, glitz, 
money, glitter, money, bling, money, beautiful people, and of course, much 
more money.
I loved F1 when Bernie owned Brabham, but those days are long gone. Sad to 
say.
I'll spend my money going to vintage events at RA, WG, etc, where you can 
actually see the old cars and talk to the drivers.
Scarey; I'm starting to talk like a gnarley old coot!
Peace my friends.
Bill
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From: "Terry Stetler" <tlizzard at msn.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1


> Is this really a surprise?
>
> My old time SCCA buddies have been discussing this for a week or so now.
>
> To put it bluntly, until a real, established, BIG TIME NAME in American
> industry, coupled with a professional, established promoter of a 
> successful
> American road racing series
> gets in the act, (Not the SCCA BTW), there will never be a solid US GP.
>
> Formula One is the biggest of the big leagues, and frankly, when it come 
> to
> road racing, we are just a farm club now a days.  It did not used to be 
> this
> way.  Anyone remember the real CAN AM or original IMSA series?
>
> Terry Stetler
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Tony Drews<mailto:tony at tonydrews.com>
>  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:57 PM
>  Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
>
>
>  Looks like the Austin Tx Grand Prix is in trouble:
> 
> http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-gives-austin-until-nex
> t-week-to-save-us-gp<http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-giv
> es-austin-until-next-week-to-save-us-gp>
>
>  Tony
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 19 09:56:44 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:56:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Simeone Museum wins major award
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hmmmmph, obviously none of those judges have been to Snook's Dream Cars!   :)
Marty
 > From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com
> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:51:02 -0500
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Simeone Museum wins major award
>
> This is in Philadelphia pa. It is a very neat museum and  I am proud to say
I
> have been there and I couldn't contain my joy.
>
> Chris
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: "Pete Bahr" <peteb01 at comcast.net>
> > Date: November 16, 2011 9:28:32 PM EST
> > To: <bmcsnjmembers at lists.british-steel.org>
> > Subject: Simeone Museum wins major award
> >
>
> > Since many BMC members have attended the museum, I thought you all would
be
> interested in this prestigious award.
> > Pete Bahr
> >
> >  ==============   ===============
> >
> > From: Simeone Museum [mailto:amanda at simeonemuseum.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:59 PM
> > To: peteb01 at comcast.net
> > Subject: WE WON!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > WE WON!!!
> >
> > THE SIMEONE FOUNDATION AUTOMOTIVE MUSEUM NAMED INTERNATIONAL "MUSEUM OF
THE
> YEAR"
> >
> > Dr. Simeone just called from the International Historic Motoring Awards
> dinner in London to tell us we have been selected as bMuseum of the
Year.b
> The judging panel included such noted figures as TV host Jay Leno, vintage
car
> racer and Pink Floyd drummer Nick Mason, Pebble Beach Chief Judge Ed
> Gilbertson, five times Le Mans winner Derek Bell and Lady Susie Moss, wife
of
> racing icon Sir Stirling Moss, among others.
> > The other museums that were considered were the National Motor Museum of
> England and the Jaguar Heritage Museum in the UK, the Peterson Museum in
Los
> Angeles, and the Auto Museum Prototyp in Germany.
> >
> > bThis is an enormous honor for the Simeone Automotive Museum, especially
> considering the quality of the other institutions that were considered,b
> said Executive Director Fred Simeone. bThese are the very best automotive
> museums in the world and we were humbled just to be considered. To actually
> win was beyond our wildest dreams. This award is the greatest international
> recognition to which an automotive museum can aspire.b
> >
> > The results were announced at a black-tie ceremony at Londonbs
Renaissance
> Hotel at St. Pancras on November 16th.
> >
> > The Simeone Foundation Automotive Museum, located near the Philadelphia
> international Airport, is a 501(c)3 non-profit corporation and encompasses
> many of the most significant racing sports cars ever built. The museum
opened
> in 2008 and since then has been internationally recognized for the quality
of
> the collectionbs automobiles, and the instructive nature of the displays.
> All of the cars have important historic meaning in the development of
sports
> car road racing, from its beginnings to the 1970s. The museum has been
> profiled in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and a variety of
> automotive publications.
> >
> > Other notables on the judging committee included, Horst Bruning,
president
> of the International Federation of Veteran Automobiles, Ian Callum, design
> director of Jaguar Cars, Duncan Wiltshire, Chairman of Motor Racing
Legends,
> Robert Coucher, international editor of Octane magazine, Peter Stevens,
> designer of McLaren F1, and Simon Kidston, international car consultant and
> commentator.
> >
> > From everyone here at the museum, thank you to our volunteers, friends
and
> everyone who has worked to help make Dr. Simeone's vision a reality. This
is
> an award we can all share!
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Nov 19 10:32:32 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:32:32 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Wire wheel balancing shop in San Antonio?
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> A traveling friend is passing through San Antonio tomorrow 
> and desperately
> wants to get his wheels rebalanced

FWIW, faced with a similar problem (some town in Iowa much smaller than San
Antone, I've forgotten the name), I just started asking at tire shops.  The
fellow at the Firestone store knew just where to send me, way out on the
other side of town.  Best of all, they even had a set of tires to fit my
Stag.

-- Randall  


From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Nov 19 11:06:03 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:06:03 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
In-Reply-To: <20111119035758.EB249187868@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20111119130603.NK9YG.29230.imail@eastrmwml302>

Sounds like a case of:  If you don't play by my rules, I'm gonna take my ball and go home."  With Bernie, it's all about the money.  He could care less about the US fans as long as he can extract maximum bucks from them.

---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote: 
> Looks like the Austin Tx Grand Prix is in trouble:
> http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-gives-austin-until-next-week-to-save-us-gp
> 
> Tony
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Nov 19 11:25:48 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:25:48 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
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In regards to F1 Austin
Hi Gang...For those of you who aren't familiar with the Proverb about the 
snake.....

'A lady found an injured poisonous snake in her garden.
She rescued the snake, and cared for it for years.
One day the snake turned on her and bit her.
While she was dying she asked the snake..I saved you and cared for you, why 
did you bite me?
The snake answered.."You knew I was a snake".
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>; "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1


> Sounds like a case of:  If you don't play by my rules, I'm gonna take my 
> ball and go home."  With Bernie, it's all about the money.  He could care 
> less about the US fans as long as he can extract maximum bucks from them.


From KENMUN at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 12:01:32 2011
From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:01:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] gas blowing back thru carbs
Message-ID: <3920.448dc09f.3bf9570c@aol.com>

recently had a chance to try the rebuilt tr3 motor on the race track and  
experienced a strange problem. gas is blowing back thru the carbs. it's both  
carbs and the gas is on the inside fender well, underside of hood, top side 
of  the front fender, and leading edge of the rear fender .anyone have any  
idea what's going on? seems like the intake valves are leaking or the valve 
 timing is retarded. any ideas/tests or suggestions appreciated.
ken m. vintage tr3 racer


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 12:27:16 2011
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 13:27:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] gas blowing back thru carbs
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Ken,
What is the overlap on your camshaft and how is it timed?  Sounds like the
rising piston might be pushing mixture out the carb before the valve closes.
Do you have a crossover pipe linking the rear and front carbs?
Duncan
1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red

On Nov 19, 2011, at 1:01 PM, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:

> recently had a chance to try the rebuilt tr3 motor on the race track and
> experienced a strange problem. gas is blowing back thru the carbs. it's both
> carbs and the gas is on the inside fender well, underside of hood, top side
> of  the front fender, and leading edge of the rear fender .anyone have any
> idea what's going on? seems like the intake valves are leaking or the valve
> timing is retarded. any ideas/tests or suggestions appreciated.
> ken m. vintage tr3 racer
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From jason at multivintage.com  Sat Nov 19 13:41:25 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:41:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
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Yes well said about Bernie and money and perfect is the proverb of the
Snake! With even the best business model it is nearly impossible to recover
from 25 million off the top.
Lets say you sell 100,000 tickets at $100 each, that's 10 mil. As Terry
said without Major corporate involvement forget about it as a money maker.
Look at Indy, a wealth of experience in putting on successful events going
back 100 years. That place was packed with fans and support... especially
the early ones. But Bernie didn't seem to notice, and didn't care. Measured
on a reasonable scale that event was good for Indy, F1, manufactures, fans,
the USA etc. I'm afraid a Net gain of 25 million, in world where most
sanctioning bodies struggle to make any money, is out of reach.
The sad thing is all the energy and money that was wasted on caring for the
Snake. So much for "If you build it they will come"
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 12:06 PM, <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:

> Sounds like a case of:  If you don't play by my rules, I'm gonna take my
> ball and go home."  With Bernie, it's all about the money.  He could care
> less about the US fans as long as he can extract maximum bucks from them.
>
> ---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> > Looks like the Austin Tx Grand Prix is in trouble:
> >
> http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-gives-austin-until-next-week-to-save-us-gp
> >
> > Tony
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Nov 19 13:48:46 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 20:48:46 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
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That's why the German race tracks struggle too with f1 races and swap the meeting year after year to recover from the loss a little.
Each F1 cost our tracks 4Mio  which the citizens have to bring up.

Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone

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From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:41:25 
To: <spitlist at cox.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1

Yes well said about Bernie and money and perfect is the proverb of the
Snake! With even the best business model it is nearly impossible to recover
from 25 million off the top.
Lets say you sell 100,000 tickets at $100 each, that's 10 mil. As Terry
said without Major corporate involvement forget about it as a money maker.
Look at Indy, a wealth of experience in putting on successful events going
back 100 years. That place was packed with fans and support... especially
the early ones. But Bernie didn't seem to notice, and didn't care. Measured
on a reasonable scale that event was good for Indy, F1, manufactures, fans,
the USA etc. I'm afraid a Net gain of 25 million, in world where most
sanctioning bodies struggle to make any money, is out of reach.
The sad thing is all the energy and money that was wasted on caring for the
Snake. So much for "If you build it they will come"
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 12:06 PM, <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:

> Sounds like a case of:  If you don't play by my rules, I'm gonna take my
> ball and go home."  With Bernie, it's all about the money.  He could care
> less about the US fans as long as he can extract maximum bucks from them.
>
> ---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> > Looks like the Austin Tx Grand Prix is in trouble:
> >
> http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-gives-austin-until-next-week-to-save-us-gp
> >
> > Tony
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From billb at bnj.com  Sat Nov 19 13:58:37 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:58:37 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
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I'm not part of the Bernie Defense Team, but my experience in deals of this
magnitude is that the public story has little to do with the real story. And I
doubt Bernie tagged that 25 million on at the end of the negotiation--all
parties knew they had to come up with it. F1 is the big leagues, and all those
folks are playing for big stakes. It's snakes biting snakes. And if they can't
come up with 25 million to satisfy their deal, how are they going to make the
show work? That's chump change.  The rest rooms at the Marina circuit cost
more than that.

And Indy for F1? Come on. It sucked. I LOVE F1 and I couldn't bear to watch
it. Participation in F1 is a source of national pride for the coutries that
play in that arena. If it's not the case for the US, then we shouldn't be
involved other than watching on Speed. Better to have NO participation than
something half-assed.


On Nov 19, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:

> Yes well said about Bernie and money and perfect is the proverb of the
> Snake! With even the best business model it is nearly impossible to recover
> from 25 million off the top.
> Lets say you sell 100,000 tickets at $100 each, that's 10 mil. As Terry
> said without Major corporate involvement forget about it as a money maker.
> Look at Indy, a wealth of experience in putting on successful events going
> back 100 years. That place was packed with fans and support... especially
> the early ones. But Bernie didn't seem to notice, and didn't care. Measured
> on a reasonable scale that event was good for Indy, F1, manufactures, fans,
> the USA etc. I'm afraid a Net gain of 25 million, in world where most
> sanctioning bodies struggle to make any money, is out of reach.
> The sad thing is all the energy and money that was wasted on caring for the
> Snake. So much for "If you build it they will come"
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 12:06 PM, <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a case of:  If you don't play by my rules, I'm gonna take my
>> ball and go home."  With Bernie, it's all about the money.  He could care
>> less about the US fans as long as he can extract maximum bucks from them.
>>
>> ---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
>>> Looks like the Austin Tx Grand Prix is in trouble:
>>>
>>
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ecclestone-gives-austin-until-next-
week-to-save-us-gp
>>>
>>> Tony
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>
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From jason at multivintage.com  Sat Nov 19 14:45:27 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 15:45:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
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On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:



> "It's snakes biting snakes. And if they can't
> come up with 25 million to satisfy their deal, how are they going to make
> the
> show work? That's chump change."
>
> "And Indy for F1? Come on. It sucked. I LOVE F1 and I couldn't bear to
> watch
> it".
>
> Yes Bill, good true points on the financial end. I won't argue the points
> about financial aspects of "big leagues".. I'm sure all that stuff was
> disclosed early on. Clearly more was bit off than could be chewed.
> But, what was so bad about the Indy events? With the exception of the
> Michelin debacle, what sucked? I went to all the F1 races at Indianapolis
> and thought it was awesome.. and great for U.S. exposure to road racing. I
> have been to other F1 races (including Monaco) and I thought those U.S.
> events were surely different but comparable and good on many levels.
> Jason, FGR


From gaf3 at charter.net  Sat Nov 19 15:16:46 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 17:16:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] gas blowing back thru carbs
In-Reply-To: <D40720EA-4D2B-4061-AC38-011643F59421@gmail.com>
References: <3920.448dc09f.3bf9570c@aol.com>
	<D40720EA-4D2B-4061-AC38-011643F59421@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EC82ACE.9030401@charter.net>

Generally that symptom usually means the cam is way out of time.
That condition is common with street cars that have jumped time because 
of a bad chain or sprocket.
Did you degree the cam?
Good Luck
Glenn Franco
Too many TR's
On 11/19/2011 2:27 PM, Duncan Charlton wrote:
> Ken,
> What is the overlap on your camshaft and how is it timed?  Sounds like the
> rising piston might be pushing mixture out the carb before the valve closes.
> Do you have a crossover pipe linking the rear and front carbs?
> Duncan
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red
>
> On Nov 19, 2011, at 1:01 PM, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
>
>> recently had a chance to try the rebuilt tr3 motor on the race track and
>> experienced a strange problem. gas is blowing back thru the carbs. it's both
>> carbs and the gas is on the inside fender well, underside of hood, top side
>> of  the front fender, and leading edge of the rear fender .anyone have any
>> idea what's going on? seems like the intake valves are leaking or the valve
>> timing is retarded. any ideas/tests or suggestions appreciated.
>> ken m. vintage tr3 racer


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Sat Nov 19 16:30:11 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 23:30:11 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin TX F1
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F06847F@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

I just want the track built  It may be sustainable without the F1 race, if
they scale back the build-out to something like a Road America standard. Bring
on the MotoGP, the Aussie V8's, add in Grand AM and maybe a few lesser series
and they'll be just enough time left over for a vintage weekend. Heck, without
F1 we might get two. I sway build it and they will come. Not my money!

BTW, I was at Daytona for the VIP tour Thursday and the Grand AM cars were
testing for two days. The new Daytona Prototypes that kind of look like a
something real were a big buzz, especially the Corvette. It didn't look like a
Corvette to me and the 911 was even less recognizable, but any buzz is good
buzz for road racing.

Barbara and I are here in Florida for a 100 mile cycling event called the
Horrible Hundred. Believe or not they have hills in the lake country in
central Florida. We rode up what they say is the steepest hill today and it
was just like what we have at home in central TX. I'll be wearing my FoT
jersey. Wish me luck.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Jason Ostrowski
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 3:45 PM
To: Bill Babcock
Cc: FOT of
Subject: Re: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:



> "It's snakes biting snakes. And if they can't come up with 25 million
> to satisfy their deal, how are they going to make the show work?
> That's chump change."
>
> "And Indy for F1? Come on. It sucked. I LOVE F1 and I couldn't bear to
> watch it".
>
> Yes Bill, good true points on the financial end. I won't argue the
> points about financial aspects of "big leagues".. I'm sure all that
> stuff was disclosed early on. Clearly more was bit off than could be
chewed.
> But, what was so bad about the Indy events? With the exception of the
> Michelin debacle, what sucked? I went to all the F1 races at
> Indianapolis and thought it was awesome.. and great for U.S. exposure
> to road racing. I have been to other F1 races (including Monaco) and I
thought those U.S.
> events were surely different but comparable and good on many levels.
> Jason, FGR
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Nov 19 19:54:13 2011
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 21:54:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1
In-Reply-To: <20111119035758.EB249187868@autox.team.net><20111119130603.NK9YG.29230.imail@eastrmwml302><CALCydYpDbS9QB+V=TOSPRRbo=GTg2n23fprmOVAcwRUB7vXsqA@mail.gmail.com><CFC6C2EE-B4BC-4EF3-BECA-463223A33C8E@bnj.com>
	<CALCydYraiUjx7-w1kcDpuMs2=dqKc-8Bv2Z8=icSyihiztdkzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20111119035758.EB249187868@autox.team.net><20111119130603.NK9YG.29230.imail@eastrmwml302><CALCydYpDbS9QB+V=TOSPRRbo=GTg2n23fprmOVAcwRUB7vXsqA@mail.gmail.com><CFC6C2EE-B4BC-4EF3-BECA-463223A33C8E@bnj.com>
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I went to the first F1 race at Indy and I have to agree with Bill.

I swore I'd never go back to Indy ever again.  My God, you could not even get
a cup of coffee at the track in the morning. All they had was cheap beer.  The
track facilities were dilapidated, nothing was clean, and it made what should
have been a very reasonable ticket price seem expensive. The sight lines for
the fans watching the race were terrible, unless you were one of the few who
had tickets for the stands in F1 turn one.
The track announcers were clueless about road racing.  The entire thing was
very amateurish, at best, and an embarrassment to U.S. F1 fans, who have been
deprived of their "fix" for far too long.

Terry Stetler
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jason Ostrowski<mailto:jason at multivintage.com>
  To: Bill Babcock<mailto:billb at bnj.com>
  Cc: FOT of<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 4:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Update on Austin Tx F1


  On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Bill Babcock
<billb at bnj.com<mailto:billb at bnj.com>> wrote:



  > "It's snakes biting snakes. And if they can't
  > come up with 25 million to satisfy their deal, how are they going to make
  > the
  > show work? That's chump change."
  >
  > "And Indy for F1? Come on. It sucked. I LOVE F1 and I couldn't bear to
  > watch
  > it".
  >
  > Yes Bill, good true points on the financial end. I won't argue the points
  > about financial aspects of "big leagues".. I'm sure all that stuff was
  > disclosed early on. Clearly more was bit off than could be chewed.
  > But, what was so bad about the Indy events? With the exception of the
  > Michelin debacle, what sucked? I went to all the F1 races at Indianapolis
  > and thought it was awesome.. and great for U.S. exposure to road racing.
I
  > have been to other F1 races (including Monaco) and I thought those U.S.
  > events were surely different but comparable and good on many levels.
  > Jason, FGR
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 21:14:11 2011
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 22:14:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Track Day
Message-ID: <4B79970D-00F6-4DA5-8332-E5084065385A@aol.com>

I just had my first track day at Hallett.  I got a groupon for half price and
took advantage of it.  It was for high speed touring.  I did the driver's
school, and had an instructor ride with me the first time out.  I am running a
stock TR6 with 205-15 Michelins on Panasport wheels.  I put upgraded brakes on
the front and was very pleased with their performance.  I was basically a
moving roadblock so I just waved people by.  It's hard to keep up with a WRX
and the rest of the cars.  I did 3 sessions and called it a day.  I had a
blast!  I'll probably do it again in the spring and try to take the GT6 out.

Sam Clark


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Nov 20 07:06:00 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:06:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Track Day
In-Reply-To: <4B79970D-00F6-4DA5-8332-E5084065385A@aol.com>
References: <4B79970D-00F6-4DA5-8332-E5084065385A@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CE75A4AAD04B3F-18B8-A4544@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com>

 sounds like a good start.

seems like the guys who started out slowly and grew with the activity have
been around the longest.





-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Clark <trdoctor at aol.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Nov 19, 2011 10:19 pm
Subject: [Fot] Track Day


I just had my first track day at Hallett.  I got a groupon for half price and
took advantage of it.  It was for high speed touring.  I did the driver's
school, and had an instructor ride with me the first time out.  I am running
a
stock TR6 with 205-15 Michelins on Panasport wheels.  I put upgraded brakes
on
the front and was very pleased with their performance.  I was basically a
moving roadblock so I just waved people by.  It's hard to keep up with a WRX
and the rest of the cars.  I did 3 sessions and called it a day.  I had a
blast!  I'll probably do it again in the spring and try to take the GT6 out.

Sam Clark
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sun Nov 20 11:02:55 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:02:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Track Day
References: <4B79970D-00F6-4DA5-8332-E5084065385A@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A236D7CA7CB14F4A8DB3BBA506AB0633@owner8914bbf7f>

Comgrats Sam, it's all about having fun, isn't it?
Keep on having fun!
Bill, TR6 & 7
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sam Clark" <trdoctor at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 11:14 PM
Subject: [Fot] Track Day


>I just had my first track day at Hallett.  I got a groupon for half price 
>and
> took advantage of it.  It was for high speed touring.  I did the driver's
> school, and had an instructor ride with me the first time out.  I am 
> running a
> stock TR6 with 205-15 Michelins on Panasport wheels.  I put upgraded 
> brakes on
> the front and was very pleased with their performance.  I was basically a
> moving roadblock so I just waved people by.  It's hard to keep up with a 
> WRX
> and the rest of the cars.  I did 3 sessions and called it a day.  I had a
> blast!  I'll probably do it again in the spring and try to take the GT6 
> out.
>
> Sam Clark
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Nov 20 11:15:46 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 10:15:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Track Day
References: <4B79970D-00F6-4DA5-8332-E5084065385A@aol.com>
	<A236D7CA7CB14F4A8DB3BBA506AB0633@owner8914bbf7f>
Message-ID: <7BB24F089B2A4728B8300450DB4D61FC@Bud>

Congratulations Sam!...What a milestone!
RB..Spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "william r tobin" <william.tobin31 at verizon.net>
To: "Sam Clark" <trdoctor at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Track Day


> Comgrats Sam, it's all about having fun, isn't it?
> Keep on having fun!
> Bill, TR6 & 7
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sam Clark" <trdoctor at aol.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 11:14 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Track Day
>
>
>>I just had my first track day at Hallett.  I got a groupon for half price 
>>and
>> took advantage of it.  It was for high speed touring.  I did the driver's
>> school, and had an instructor ride with me the first time out.  I am 
>> running a
>> stock TR6 with 205-15 Michelins on Panasport wheels.  I put upgraded 
>> brakes on
>> the front and was very pleased with their performance.  I was basically a
>> moving roadblock so I just waved people by.  It's hard to keep up with a 
>> WRX
>> and the rest of the cars.  I did 3 sessions and called it a day.  I had a
>> blast!  I'll probably do it again in the spring and try to take the GT6 
>> out.
>>
>> Sam Clark
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From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Mon Nov 21 15:11:25 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:11:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hutchens Rage Hybrid reviews
In-Reply-To: <835327F0-7BB6-41DC-A82D-AD9D53F02B46@earthlink.net>
References: <CALsVEtA5bf4dukSNsMmY6pbmpvNfZhicw2ed_2ETQgNJNAmgJw@mail.gmail.com>
	<835327F0-7BB6-41DC-A82D-AD9D53F02B46@earthlink.net>
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My understanding has always been that the HANS protects us in a straight
line impact only.  I'm no expert, but it seems to me that the problem with
using F1, Nascar, etc. as examples of why the HANS is right for us is that
their cars provide extra protection from side to side head movement, either
by the halo type seat in Nascar or the tight cockpit sides in F1.  Our
vintage cars don't have anything like that to reduce the side to side head
movement we would experience in a non-frontal collision.  That's why I was
asking about is anyone had any experience with the Simpson Hybrid device,
which supposedly has straps that limit the side to side movement as well as
the straight ahead movement.  Based on the lack of responses, it doesn't
appear that anyone on FOT is using one so I might have to be the guinea
pig.  Don
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>wrote:

> I have the Hans and it's great.  World champion Sebastian Vettel and ALL
> the other F1 drivers wear it.  They go a little faster than we do.
>
> ~Steve
>
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Don Marshall wrote:
>
> I've been told that I will get a head/neck protection device for Christmas,
> but I have to decide which one.  It seems that most folks are using the
> HANS device, but I'm curious if any FOTers are using the Rage Hybrid.
> These are also approved for SCCA use and claim to have better side impact
> protection than the HANS, as well as being more comfortable.  If anyone is
> using one of these please let me know how you like it.  Thanks, Don
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Mon Nov 21 17:09:34 2011
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:09:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
Message-ID: <1d33b3e.12b8c.133c89b47e1.Webtop.21@optonline.net>

Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!

 
http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%20small/?action=view&current=11_11.jpg

Anyone know this car?
Todd Redmond


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon Nov 21 17:26:27 2011
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 00:26:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
In-Reply-To: <1d33b3e.12b8c.133c89b47e1.Webtop.21@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <581029520.104237.1321921587400.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Interesting mod but that paint job is not my cup of tea!! 

Gary 

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Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 4:09:34 PM 
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3 

Thought this might be of interest to this fine group! 


http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%20small/?action=view&current=11_11.jpg 

Anyone know this car? 
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From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Nov 21 17:40:35 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 00:40:35 +0000
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
Message-ID: <mailman.54.1638252566.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

Actually, kind of cool. In a "don't take me too seriously" way. Fun, silly and I'll bet it really hauls the mail. Yes, interesting...
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
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Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
Sent: Nov 21, 2011 6:09 PM

Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!

 
http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%20small/?action=view&current=11_11.jpg

Anyone know this car?
Todd Redmond
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Mon Nov 21 17:51:29 2011
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:51:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
In-Reply-To: <1d33b3e.12b8c.133c89b47e1.Webtop.21@optonline.net>
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What did the guy who built it think when he sobered up??? That's nightmare
material! 

Russ

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Behalf Of Todd Redmond
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 7:10 PM
To: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3

Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!

 
http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%20small/?action=v
iew&current=11_11.jpg

Anyone know this car?
Todd Redmond
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Nov 21 18:04:51 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:04:51 -0800
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
References: <20111122005331.D8D531878FC@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <27661F28FDAF4ACEB043EF1A5E00C1FE@Bud>

I love it!...Really nice colors...As they say in the Hot Rod World..'The 
guy's not afraid of that bit_h"
RB
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<FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] A V8 TR3


> Actually, kind of cool. In a "don't take me too seriously" way. Fun, silly 
> and I'll bet it really hauls the mail. Yes, interesting...
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing
> ------Original Message------
> From: Todd Redmond
> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> To: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
> Sent: Nov 21, 2011 6:09 PM
>
> Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!
>
>
> http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%20small/?action=view&current=11_11.jpg
>
> Anyone know this car?
> Todd Redmond
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Nov 21 18:35:52 2011
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 01:35:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
In-Reply-To: <27661F28FDAF4ACEB043EF1A5E00C1FE@Bud>
Message-ID: <905416707.93803.1321925752395.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Stand on the gas and just sit there doing a one wheel burnout and in the first turn at speed the old steel wheels will probably collapse if the tires don't peel off the rims first. End of story. Poor car. A lot of time and energy went into it, especially the headers. I wonder if it has nitrous. 


Dave 

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To: jason at multivintage.com, "Todd Redmond" <alfetta95 at optonline.net>, fot-bounces at autox.team.net, FOT at autox.team.net 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 5:04:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] A V8 TR3 

I love it!...Really nice colors...As they say in the Hot Rod World..'The 
guy's not afraid of that bit_h" 
RB 
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<FOT at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 4:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] A V8 TR3 


> Actually, kind of cool. In a "don't take me too seriously" way. Fun, silly 
> and I'll bet it really hauls the mail. Yes, interesting... 
> Jason Ostrowski 
> Friendly Ghost Racing 
> ------Original Message------ 
> From: Todd Redmond 
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> Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3 
> Sent: Nov 21, 2011 6:09 PM 
> 
> Thought this might be of interest to this fine group! 
> 
> 
> http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%20small/?action=view&current=11_11.jpg 
> 
> Anyone know this car? 
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From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 05:54:44 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:54:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
In-Reply-To: <1d33b3e.12b8c.133c89b47e1.Webtop.21@optonline.net>
References: <1d33b3e.12b8c.133c89b47e1.Webtop.21@optonline.net>
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It was and is an interesting car, being a street car it is kind of neat, a
British hot rod ,  all of us like something a little different for the
street, not excited about the flames, and the stock wheels would have to
go, definatly better choices since he has spent all that money for the
motor and the install.


On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Todd Redmond <alfetta95 at optonline.net>wrote:

> Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!
>
>
> http://s1228.photobucket.com/**albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%**
> 20small/?action=view&current=**11_11.jpg<http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%20small/?action=view&current=11_11.jpg>
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> Anyone know this car?
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-- 
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Nov 22 08:30:41 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:30:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
Message-ID: <218a8.27d86db9.3bfd1a21@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/21/2011 6:09:55 PM Central Standard Time, 
alfetta95 at optonline.net writes:


> Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!
> 

My driving instructor at my first racing school was a guy named Hal 
Ullrich.  He was an ex-National Champion from the early mid 1950s.  I drove him 
crazy because I rode the synchros when down shifting.  He and his brother Bill 
owned and ran a 'Speed Shop' just north of Chicago.  They were heavily into 
racing, but also catered to serious collectors.  While they took care of 
some pretty exotic stuff, Hal told me that they handled lots of TR3s in those 
early days as well.  Their customers had big name marques for the track, and 
downstairs marques like TRIUMPH as daily drivers.  He said they put lots and 
lots of Chevy V8 engines in TRIUMPH TR3s.  It was the rage on Chicago's 
Gold Coast in those days.  That surprised me and I asked, "Where are they?  How 
come they never surface for sale these days?"  Hal said, "Most of them got 
wrapped around a tree."

Bill Dentinger

PS  The Ullrich brothers were bachelors, who lived and worked together all 
of their lives.  Hal passed away 10-12 years ago.  I think Bill is still 
alive.  He spent decades working on the development of an 'Ullrich' racing engin
e.  As far as I know, it never was finished, but whenever you ran into 
Bill, the traditional opening line was, "Bill...how's your engine coming?"    .  


From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Tue Nov 22 08:33:04 2011
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (wgrosenbach at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:33:04 GMT
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
Message-ID: <20111122.083304.7059.2@webmail04.vgs.untd.com>

A bit of an extreme comprise for equal length header tube on that right rear
cylinder! I need to locate the photos of the  matched pair of drag racers at
Bandimere Speedway.White with blue rocker stripes, like a Shelby; one a stock
TR-4 and the other (and much faster)TR-440.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Todd Redmond <alfetta95 at optonline.net>
To: "FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net" <FOT at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:09:34 -0500 (EST)

Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!


http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/gjlymber/TR3A-V8%20small/?action=vi
ew&current=11_11.jpg

Anyone know this car?
Todd Redmond
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From jerrybarr at charter.net  Tue Nov 22 10:22:55 2011
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:22:55 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
In-Reply-To: <218a8.27d86db9.3bfd1a21@aol.com>
References: <218a8.27d86db9.3bfd1a21@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4F3463D1-3EF1-42F6-AA5E-8138DF067546@charter.net>

Bill do you remember seeing a red TR3 at Blackhawk maybe years ago that had
been widened about 6 inched and had a great big V8 transplanted into it?
On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:30 AM, billdentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 11/21/2011 6:09:55 PM Central Standard Time,
> alfetta95 at optonline.net writes:
>
>
>> Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!
>>
>
> My driving instructor at my first racing school was a guy named Hal
> Ullrich.  He was an ex-National Champion from the early mid 1950s.  I drove
him
> crazy because I rode the synchros when down shifting.  He and his brother
Bill
> owned and ran a 'Speed Shop' just north of Chicago.  They were heavily into
> racing, but also catered to serious collectors.  While they took care of
> some pretty exotic stuff, Hal told me that they handled lots of TR3s in
those
> early days as well.  Their customers had big name marques for the track, and
> downstairs marques like TRIUMPH as daily drivers.  He said they put lots and
> lots of Chevy V8 engines in TRIUMPH TR3s.  It was the rage on Chicago's
> Gold Coast in those days.  That surprised me and I asked, "Where are they?
How
> come they never surface for sale these days?"  Hal said, "Most of them got
> wrapped around a tree."
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
> PS  The Ullrich brothers were bachelors, who lived and worked together all
> of their lives.  Hal passed away 10-12 years ago.  I think Bill is still
> alive.  He spent decades working on the development of an 'Ullrich' racing
engin
> e.  As far as I know, it never was finished, but whenever you ran into
> Bill, the traditional opening line was, "Bill...how's your engine coming?"
.
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From dkettler1 at charter.net  Tue Nov 22 21:17:15 2011
From: dkettler1 at charter.net (David Kettler)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 22:17:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
In-Reply-To: <4F3463D1-3EF1-42F6-AA5E-8138DF067546@charter.net>
References: <218a8.27d86db9.3bfd1a21@aol.com>
	<4F3463D1-3EF1-42F6-AA5E-8138DF067546@charter.net>
Message-ID: <3A806982CDDE4FFC8BA328FC79E5EB5E@Davelaptop>

Jerry/Bill:

Cliff Ebben from Appleton, WI has a widened red TR3.  He put some sort of a 
Nissan big motor and drive train in it.  Very nicely done.

Dave Kettler

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jerry Barr
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 11:22 AM
To: billdentin at aol.com
Cc: triumph friends
Subject: Re: [Fot] A V8 TR3

Bill do you remember seeing a red TR3 at Blackhawk maybe years ago that had
been widened about 6 inched and had a great big V8 transplanted into it?
On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:30 AM, billdentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 11/21/2011 6:09:55 PM Central Standard Time,
> alfetta95 at optonline.net writes:
>
>
>> Thought this might be of interest to this fine group!
>>
>
> My driving instructor at my first racing school was a guy named Hal
> Ullrich.  He was an ex-National Champion from the early mid 1950s.  I 
> drove
him
> crazy because I rode the synchros when down shifting.  He and his brother
Bill
> owned and ran a 'Speed Shop' just north of Chicago.  They were heavily 
> into
> racing, but also catered to serious collectors.  While they took care of
> some pretty exotic stuff, Hal told me that they handled lots of TR3s in
those
> early days as well.  Their customers had big name marques for the track, 
> and
> downstairs marques like TRIUMPH as daily drivers.  He said they put lots 
> and
> lots of Chevy V8 engines in TRIUMPH TR3s.  It was the rage on Chicago's
> Gold Coast in those days.  That surprised me and I asked, "Where are they?
How
> come they never surface for sale these days?"  Hal said, "Most of them got
> wrapped around a tree."
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
> PS  The Ullrich brothers were bachelors, who lived and worked together all
> of their lives.  Hal passed away 10-12 years ago.  I think Bill is still
> alive.  He spent decades working on the development of an 'Ullrich' racing
engin
> e.  As far as I know, it never was finished, but whenever you ran into
> Bill, the traditional opening line was, "Bill...how's your engine coming?"
.
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Nov 23 00:23:34 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 00:23:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A V8 TR3
In-Reply-To: <4F3463D1-3EF1-42F6-AA5E-8138DF067546@charter.net>
References: <218a8.27d86db9.3bfd1a21@aol.com>
	<4F3463D1-3EF1-42F6-AA5E-8138DF067546@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4ECC9F76.9060104@bradakis.com>

He got the whitewalls half right.  Your judgement as to which half.

mjb.


From Colordog.1 at Earthlink.Net  Wed Nov 23 22:15:38 2011
From: Colordog.1 at Earthlink.Net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:15:38 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Video from Willow Springs
Message-ID: <F4908943-EEFC-43C7-80E2-519FB4D23239@Earthlink.Net>

Here are a few laps from Willow Springs Raceway earlier this month.  I  
had fun racing with fellow FOT John Frymark.

http://vimeo.com/31705138

~Steve


From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Sat Nov 26 06:04:59 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:04:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] F1 in America video
Message-ID: <CALsVEtBVKCZDGErfJY8UQQqZ9BF01zzJEZNud5eqDvmOZv38jw@mail.gmail.com>

Link to video ad for F1 at the new track in Austin, showing the track in
progress.  For all I know the F1 plan may be dead but the video was well
done.  Don


http://youtu.be/0tEHQJn_hxo


From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Nov 26 10:32:46 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 9:32:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] F1 in America video
In-Reply-To: <CALsVEtBVKCZDGErfJY8UQQqZ9BF01zzJEZNud5eqDvmOZv38jw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111126123246.11NWG.104610.imail@eastrmwml106>

IF  it really happens!
---- Don Marshall <donmarshall at nefcom.net> wrote: 
> Link to video ad for F1 at the new track in Austin, showing the track in
> progress.  For all I know the F1 plan may be dead but the video was well
> done.  Don
> 
> 
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 29 20:22:52 2011
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:22:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Speedsters
Message-ID: <1322623372.24022.YahooMailRC@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - I am getting the TR4 out of moth balls for the Kastner Cup in the 
Spring.
Anyone have any Hoosier Speedsters to sell?

D


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Nov 30 12:54:57 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:54:57 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Austin F1, there is still hope
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F079923@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

I just want the track finished so I can have a home town track.........
1:30 PM
Ecclestone pushes Grand Prix deadline back one week
By: Associated Press
Formula One boss Bernie Ecclestone has given organizers of next year's U.S.
Grand Prix another week to save the Texas race by proving they have the
finances in place.
Ecclestone had wanted organizers to sign a contract by Wednesday, but extended
his deadline to next Wednesday when the World Motor Sport Council ratifies the
2012 calendar.
The F1 boss told The Associated Press in a telephone interview that "the
deadline hasn't been met so we are still trying to make it happen ... they
need to get some money and a pen."
Ecclestone is adamant "if it isn't all signed before the World Motor Sport
Council meeting (the race) can't happen."
Copyright 2011 Associated Press, All rights reserved.
This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell

Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out.
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042&id=abf4a5c42b&e=7085705c50> ~John Wooden


From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Nov 30 13:04:16 2011
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 15:04:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Austin F1, there is still hope
In-Reply-To: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F079923@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
References: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F079923@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ1+nOSeAP3ajTcE8Tra_ZW-0pUPeF3dNg3j=FziShzNvQ2pZg@mail.gmail.com>

Jay Lamm has offered to host the F1 cars at the Texas Motor Speedway 24
hours of LeMons, though he has noted some of the F1 drivers will need to
attend the 'No Contact Allowed' discussion/lecture.

:)


On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Kramer, Robert <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>wrote:

> I just want the track finished so I can have a home town track.........
> 1:30 PM
> Ecclestone pushes Grand Prix deadline back one week
> By: Associated Press
> Formula One boss Bernie Ecclestone has given organizers of next year's U.S.
> Grand Prix another week to save the Texas race by proving they have the
> finances in place.
> Ecclestone had wanted organizers to sign a contract by Wednesday, but
> extended
> his deadline to next Wednesday when the World Motor Sport Council ratifies
> the
> 2012 calendar.
> The F1 boss told The Associated Press in a telephone interview that "the
> deadline hasn't been met so we are still trying to make it happen ... they
> need to get some money and a pen."
> Ecclestone is adamant "if it isn't all signed before the World Motor Sport
> Council meeting (the race) can't happen."
> Copyright 2011 Associated Press, All rights reserved.
> This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Southern Construction Inventory Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-687-7422 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
>
> Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things
> turn
> out.
> <
> http://walkthetalk.us1.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=8f89bce0be7e1813d8ad34
> 042&id=abf4a5c42b&e=7085705c50> ~John Wooden
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Nov 30 13:10:42 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:10:42 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Austin F1, there is still hope
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1+nOSeAP3ajTcE8Tra_ZW-0pUPeF3dNg3j=FziShzNvQ2pZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F079923@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
	<CAJ1+nOSeAP3ajTcE8Tra_ZW-0pUPeF3dNg3j=FziShzNvQ2pZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F079972@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

Good, we can hook up a chain and have them tow our TR6 around.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell

Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out.
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042&id=abf4a5c42b&e=7085705c50> ~John Wooden
From: robert bownes [mailto:bownes at seiri.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 2:04 PM
To: Kramer, Robert
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Austin F1, there is still hope


Jay Lamm has offered to host the F1 cars at the Texas Motor Speedway 24 hours
of LeMons, though he has noted some of the F1 drivers will need to attend the
'No Contact Allowed' discussion/lecture.

:)

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Kramer, Robert
<RKramer at rdoequipment.com<mailto:RKramer at rdoequipment.com>> wrote:
I just want the track finished so I can have a home town track.........
1:30 PM
Ecclestone pushes Grand Prix deadline back one week
By: Associated Press
Formula One boss Bernie Ecclestone has given organizers of next year's U.S.
Grand Prix another week to save the Texas race by proving they have the
finances in place.
Ecclestone had wanted organizers to sign a contract by Wednesday, but
extended
his deadline to next Wednesday when the World Motor Sport Council ratifies
the
2012 calendar.
The F1 boss told The Associated Press in a telephone interview that "the
deadline hasn't been met so we are still trying to make it happen ... they
need to get some money and a pen."
Ecclestone is adamant "if it isn't all signed before the World Motor Sport
Council meeting (the race) can't happen."
Copyright 2011 Associated Press, All rights reserved.
This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422<tel:512-687-7422> Office
512-657-8526<tel:512-657-8526> Cell

Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
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