From andre at gt6.ca Sun May 1 05:29:07 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 07:29:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me In-Reply-To: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ah it could have been worst ;) -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 30 April 2011 23:08, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > After a wonderful 1st experience with 24 hr of Lemons.. I decided I needed a > $500 project for Lemons. Viola !!! A 1993 Miata is in my near future. > > Hey... with 3 Triumphs, I needed something to work on... > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca From pcdelux at verizon.net Sun May 1 05:48:18 2011 From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 07:48:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002201cc07f5$ab005750$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0> The abuse you will endure from the Lemons "scrutineers" will be punishment enough. Bill DeWar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 11:08 PM Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me > After a wonderful 1st experience with 24 hr of Lemons.. I decided I needed a > $500 project for Lemons. Viola !!! A 1993 Miata is in my near future. > > Hey... with 3 Triumphs, I needed something to work on... > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux at verizon.net From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun May 1 16:45:09 2011 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 18:45:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me In-Reply-To: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DBDE275.8080605@twcny.rr.com> Seriously, if you have 3 triumphs and you needed to buy a Miata to find something to work on, you have to say you are my hero... M From andre at gt6.ca Sun May 1 16:57:54 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 18:57:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me In-Reply-To: <4DBDE275.8080605@twcny.rr.com> References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DBDE275.8080605@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: Wait for it. Hmm can I put a Miata engine into a Triumph??? hehe (We've all thought about it) A. On 1 May 2011 18:45, Mark Eginton wrote: > Seriously, if you have 3 triumphs and you needed to buy a Miata to find > something to work on, you have to say you are my hero... > > M > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Sun May 1 17:19:25 2011 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 19:19:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me In-Reply-To: References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DBDE275.8080605@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <000b01cc0856$36177b60$a2467220$@rr.com> Nope, sorry, not all! Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 6:58 PM To: Mark Eginton Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Please don't disown me Wait for it. Hmm can I put a Miata engine into a Triumph??? hehe (We've all thought about it) A. On 1 May 2011 18:45, Mark Eginton wrote: > Seriously, if you have 3 triumphs and you needed to buy a Miata to find > something to work on, you have to say you are my hero... > > M > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From bownes at seiri.com Sun May 1 17:23:48 2011 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 19:23:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me In-Reply-To: References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DBDE275.8080605@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: Would be too much empty space around it! :) Sent from (the passenger seat of) our 95 miata, top down @ 75mph on I87. On May 1, 2011, at 18:57, Andre Rousseau wrote: > Wait for it. > > Hmm can I put a Miata engine into a Triumph??? > > hehe > > (We've all thought about it) > > A. > > On 1 May 2011 18:45, Mark Eginton wrote: >> Seriously, if you have 3 triumphs and you needed to buy a Miata to find >> something to work on, you have to say you are my hero... >> >> M >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca >> >> >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun May 1 23:59:04 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 07:59:04 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Triumph at Pakistan In-Reply-To: References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DBDE275.8080605@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001cc088e$0db3b0c0$291b1240$@com> Congratulations for your victory at Pakistan!! Chris From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon May 2 09:02:44 2011 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 11:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler Message-ID: Hi, You know, sometimes you read a post and the "the light comes on". I pulled my TR6 engine to fix an oil leak, blah blah. All fixed and reinstalled. I run an event last weekend. No probs. Just a couple of drips from the oil filter head. So, I do my fluids-check and nutnboltcheck and the engine is down a quart. I look EVERYWHERE for evidence of an oil leak. I figure being down a quart is a lot considering that I made three 60-second autocross runs, so there sould be a giant puddle in the trailer or a lot of oil on the frame - nope. nothing. no puddles, no drips. Doh - I forgot that I had purged the oil cooler lines! Question answered. Thanks for the thread! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From budscars at comcast.net Mon May 2 10:32:42 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 09:32:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph at Pakistan References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4DBDE275.8080605@twcny.rr.com> <000001cc088e$0db3b0c0$291b1240$@com> Message-ID: <181B5AC14CDE40759000920EAFA524BC@Bud> Thanks Chris!..and God Bless our Military and all who have helped in this endeavor . ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 10:59 PM Subject: [Fot] Triumph at Pakistan > Congratulations for your victory at Pakistan!! > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From igofaster at att.net Mon May 2 11:39:23 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 10:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42199.21881.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Purchased a new oil cooler for the GT6. Still waiting word on the 'autopsy' on the engine. I also pulled the 3 quart Accusump to send back for refurbishing. Maybe I should have looked at that sooner. There was more sludge in the tank than I would have guessed. So... is that a regular maintenance item we should be looking at? Another question, there is a relief valve (like a tire stem) I bled too. There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained but before I purged the air. When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small amount of air pressure in the tank? Curious... Bobby Whitehead no plans for a Miata swap in ANY Triumph.... ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 10:02:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler Hi, You know, sometimes you read a post and the "the light comes on". I pulled my TR6 engine to fix an oil leak, blah blah. All fixed and reinstalled. I run an event last weekend. No probs. Just a couple of drips from the oil filter head. So, I do my fluids-check and nutnboltcheck and the engine is down a quart. I look EVERYWHERE for evidence of an oil leak. I figure being down a quart is a lot considering that I made three 60-second autocross runs, so there sould be a giant puddle in the trailer or a lot of oil on the frame - nope. nothing. no puddles, no drips. Doh - I forgot that I had purged the oil cooler lines! Question answered. Thanks for the thread! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From rjl6n at cstone.net Mon May 2 12:10:33 2011 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 14:10:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: <42199.21881.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <42199.21881.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1eb8a64e49bf547e46bb614cca215273.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Hi Bobby, That "relief stem" is not actually a relief valve. That valve is there to pressurize the system. That is what pushes the oil back into the engine; it allows you to put some air pressure behind the piston, to push on the piston which provides the force to put oil into the engine when needed. How much air pressure you put in there (partly) determines how fast the oil flows back into the engine. As I recall, the directions that came with the Accusump gave a range of suggested pressures. Hope that helps, John On Mon, May 2, 2011 1:39 pm, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Purchased a new oil cooler for the GT6. Still waiting word on the > 'autopsy' on > the engine. I also pulled the 3 quart Accusump to send back for > refurbishing. > Maybe I should have looked at that sooner. There was more sludge in the > tank > than I would have guessed. So... is that a regular maintenance item we > should be > looking at? Another question, there is a relief valve (like a tire stem) I > bled > too. There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained > but > before I purged the air. > When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small > amount of air pressure in the tank? > > Curious... > > Bobby Whitehead > > no plans for a Miata swap in ANY Triumph.... From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 2 12:51:35 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 18:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: <42199.21881.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1322300169.623678.1304362295129.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> You do have to pressurize the sump cannister, that's what partially what forces the oil into the engine. I've done it without disassembly with mineral spirits & poured remnance through white paper towels watching for clean & clear fluid to run out. You can disassemble them and clean it yourself. You just need to fabricate a simple tool with a couple dowels to screw the end of the sump off. A handle of sorts ( steel flat bar ) with tow dowels ( or bolts )B perpendicular to the handle with the correct spacing between them. Jim G ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "Robert M. Lang" Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Monday, May 2, 2011 11:39:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler Purchased a new oil cooler for the GT6. Still waiting word on the 'autopsy' on the engine. I also pulled the 3 quart Accusump to send back for refurbishing. Maybe I should have looked at that sooner. There was more sludge in the tank than I would have guessed. So... is that a regular maintenance item we should be looking at? Another question, there is a relief valve (like a tire stem) I bled too. There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained but before I purged the air. When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small amount of air pressure in the tank? Curious... Bobby Whitehead no plans for a Miata swap in ANY Triumph.... ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 10:02:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler Hi, You know, sometimes you read a post and the "the light comes on". I pulled my TR6 engine to fix an oil leak, blah blah. All fixed and reinstalled. I run an event last weekend. No probs. Just a couple of drips from the oil filter head. So, I do my fluids-check and nutnboltcheck and the engine is down a quart. I look EVERYWHERE for evidence of an oil leak. I figure being down a quart is a lot considering that I made three 60-second autocross runs, so there sould be a giant puddle in the trailer or a lot of oil on the frame - nope. nothing. no puddles, no drips. Doh - I forgot that I had purged the oil cooler lines! Question answered. Thanks for the thread! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From sjanzen at me.com Mon May 2 12:53:49 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 14:53:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: <1eb8a64e49bf547e46bb614cca215273.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> References: <42199.21881.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1eb8a64e49bf547e46bb614cca215273.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Message-ID: I've always used about 25 lb, figuring I need that much to maintain oil pressure in the galleys. However, I just looked at Accusump's instructions, and they say only 7-10 psi is needed. I guess my 'sump will now have more oil in it! On May 2, 2011, at 2:10 PM, rjl6n at cstone.net wrote: Hi Bobby, That "relief stem" is not actually a relief valve. That valve is there to pressurize the system. That is what pushes the oil back into the engine; it allows you to put some air pressure behind the piston, to push on the piston which provides the force to put oil into the engine when needed. How much air pressure you put in there (partly) determines how fast the oil flows back into the engine. As I recall, the directions that came with the Accusump gave a range of suggested pressures. Hope that helps, John On Mon, May 2, 2011 1:39 pm, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Purchased a new oil cooler for the GT6. Still waiting word on the > 'autopsy' on > the engine. I also pulled the 3 quart Accusump to send back for > refurbishing. > Maybe I should have looked at that sooner. There was more sludge in the > tank > than I would have guessed. So... is that a regular maintenance item we > should be > looking at? Another question, there is a relief valve (like a tire stem) I > bled > too. There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained > but > before I purged the air. > When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small > amount of air pressure in the tank? > > Curious... > > Bobby Whitehead > > no plans for a Miata swap in ANY Triumph.... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon May 2 13:07:59 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 15:07:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler Message-ID: <576.4cf99d84.3af05b0f@aol.com> Put exactly the air pressure into the accumulator that you want to maintain as a minimum. When oil pressure is higher than that the piston will be pushed to the air end "accumulating" oil. When pressure drops below the preset the piston will be pushed toward the oil end forcing the oil "accumulated" into the bearings where you want it. In a message dated 5/2/2011 11:02:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, igofaster at att.net writes: Purchased a new oil cooler for the GT6. Still waiting word on the 'autopsy' on the engine. I also pulled the 3 quart Accusump to send back for refurbishing. Maybe I should have looked at that sooner. There was more sludge in the tank than I would have guessed. So... is that a regular maintenance item we should be looking at? Another question, there is a relief valve (like a tire stem) I bled too. There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained but before I purged the air. When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small amount of air pressure in the tank? Curious... Bobby Whitehead no plans for a Miata swap in ANY Triumph.... ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 10:02:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler Hi, You know, sometimes you read a post and the "the light comes on". I pulled my TR6 engine to fix an oil leak, blah blah. All fixed and reinstalled. I run an event last weekend. No probs. Just a couple of drips from the oil filter head. So, I do my fluids-check and nutnboltcheck and the engine is down a quart. I look EVERYWHERE for evidence of an oil leak. I figure being down a quart is a lot considering that I made three 60-second autocross runs, so there sould be a giant puddle in the trailer or a lot of oil on the frame - nope. nothing. no puddles, no drips. Doh - I forgot that I had purged the oil cooler lines! Question answered. Thanks for the thread! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon May 2 13:18:48 2011 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 15:18:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 54, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained but before I purged the air. When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small amount of air pressure in the tank?" You need to preload the air pressure, I think it's 10 PSI but it's spec'ed out at the Accusump website. mike G. Michael Harmuth too many Triumphs to have the time to consider a Miata From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon May 2 13:33:53 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 14:33:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: <576.4cf99d84.3af05b0f@aol.com> References: <576.4cf99d84.3af05b0f@aol.com> Message-ID: I use 20 psi Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gt6steve at aol.com Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 2:08 PM To: igofaster at att.net Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler Put exactly the air pressure into the accumulator that you want to maintain as a minimum. When oil pressure is higher than that the piston will be pushed to the air end "accumulating" oil. When pressure drops below the preset the piston will be pushed toward the oil end forcing the oil "accumulated" into the bearings where you want it. In a message dated 5/2/2011 11:02:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, igofaster at att.net writes: Purchased a new oil cooler for the GT6. Still waiting word on the 'autopsy' on the engine. I also pulled the 3 quart Accusump to send back for refurbishing. Maybe I should have looked at that sooner. There was more sludge in the tank than I would have guessed. So... is that a regular maintenance item we should be looking at? Another question, there is a relief valve (like a tire stem) I bled too. There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained but before I purged the air. When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small amount of air pressure in the tank? Curious... Bobby Whitehead no plans for a Miata swap in ANY Triumph.... ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 10:02:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler Hi, You know, sometimes you read a post and the "the light comes on". I pulled my TR6 engine to fix an oil leak, blah blah. All fixed and reinstalled. I run an event last weekend. No probs. Just a couple of drips from the oil filter head. So, I do my fluids-check and nutnboltcheck and the engine is down a quart. I look EVERYWHERE for evidence of an oil leak. I figure being down a quart is a lot considering that I made three 60-second autocross runs, so there sould be a giant puddle in the trailer or a lot of oil on the frame - nope. nothing. no puddles, no drips. Doh - I forgot that I had purged the oil cooler lines! Question answered. Thanks for the thread! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon May 2 13:43:00 2011 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: References: <42199.21881.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1eb8a64e49bf547e46bb614cca215273.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Message-ID: <591296.73679.qm@web46113.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> My engine guy says use 20psi. ________________________________ From: Scott Janzen To: rjl6n at cstone.net Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 11:53:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler I've always used about 25 lb, figuring I need that much to maintain oil pressure in the galleys. However, I just looked at Accusump's instructions, and they say only 7-10 psi is needed. I guess my 'sump will now have more oil in it! On May 2, 2011, at 2:10 PM, rjl6n at cstone.net wrote: Hi Bobby, That "relief stem" is not actually a relief valve. That valve is there to pressurize the system. That is what pushes the oil back into the engine; it allows you to put some air pressure behind the piston, to push on the piston which provides the force to put oil into the engine when needed. How much air pressure you put in there (partly) determines how fast the oil flows back into the engine. As I recall, the directions that came with the Accusump gave a range of suggested pressures. Hope that helps, John On Mon, May 2, 2011 1:39 pm, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Purchased a new oil cooler for the GT6. Still waiting word on the > 'autopsy' on > the engine. I also pulled the 3 quart Accusump to send back for > refurbishing. > Maybe I should have looked at that sooner. There was more sludge in the > tank > than I would have guessed. So... is that a regular maintenance item we > should be > looking at? Another question, there is a relief valve (like a tire stem) I > bled > too. There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained > but > before I purged the air. > When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small > amount of air pressure in the tank? > > Curious... > > Bobby Whitehead > > no plans for a Miata swap in ANY Triumph.... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue May 3 06:02:22 2011 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 05:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Crew Passes or Overcrew Message-ID: <555615.58668.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - anyone have a couple of extra crew passes for nex month's big event? I assume that this is a non spectator event - being mid week and all. ...might need someone to list Joan and I as overcrew. Thanks Dennis From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Tue May 3 06:11:53 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 22:11:53 +1000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 front uprights-race use Message-ID: I am researching alternatives for the front suspension uprights & wishbones on my wifes Gt6 Triumph racer. we currently have the unmodified GT6 "hollow" uprights with the "big" stub axle and conventional lower trunnion. i have heard all sorts of horror stories about them breaking at the trunnion, but never experienced any such problems . I understand firm called ESP in UK have the tooling for making these,. possibly from Adler & Alford days. can ayone help me track them down?? If anyone has any first-hand comments on the benefits/problems of the various versions I'd be keen to hear. also, anyone who might have may heim jointed uprights or wishbones for sale, please send me a email thanks Terry O'Beirne AUSTRALIA From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 3 07:41:54 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 08:41:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca confirmations Message-ID: <20110503134207.832CB187643@autox.team.net> Has anyone gotten entry confirmation for our event at Laguna Seca? Thanks, Tony Drews From herald948 at aol.com Tue May 3 08:10:30 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 10:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 front uprights-race use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDD7B2FE60956A-1750-7C5C@webmail-m022.sysops.aol.com> What about the "Trunnionless Front Suspension Kit" offered by Canley Classics in the UK: http://www.canleyclassics.com/?xhtml=xhtml/product/catkit1.html&xsl=product.x sl NFI, just aware that it's out there.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Enquiries Road & Track I am researching alternatives for the front suspension uprights & wishbones on my wifes Gt6 Triumph racer.... From bownes at seiri.com Tue May 3 08:10:52 2011 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 10:10:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca confirmations In-Reply-To: <20110503134207.832CB187643@autox.team.net> References: <20110503134207.832CB187643@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Guys, Wish I could attend, This should be a fantastic event. Word of wisdom form another event that some folks I know were supposed to attend last week. Put together a phone list of everyone's cell phone number and pick a person/place to leave messages with somewhere other than the event site. A few hundred folks I know were supposed to be meeting in Huntsville last week. Event canceled at the last moment due to Acts of God, not everyone found out in time, several flew in, unnecessary chaos ensued. Hope you all have fun! On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > Has anyone gotten entry confirmation for our event at Laguna Seca? > > Thanks, Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From deweerdm at rogers.com Tue May 3 17:26:53 2011 From: deweerdm at rogers.com (MIKE DEWEERD) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 16:26:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury Message-ID: <368913.54225.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Amici I'm thinking of retiring the "Lincoln Locker" (welded diff) in my TR4 and installing a Limited Slip Diff. Pricing between the two is similar enough to not be an issue so......Opinions Please... Which Diff do you run and why is it better or worse? also ramp angles which is best (Salisbury) 45/45 or 30/60? Note that I run the car mostly at Mosport, Mid Ohio and the Glen secondly...(If it makes a difference) Thank you Mike Deweerd TR4 #77 From igofaster at att.net Tue May 3 17:30:28 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 16:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Message-ID: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. Jeeerrrrrrreeeees in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service manager/neighbor) informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a $500 sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus ttl. 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from day one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux I had the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal leaking, causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt looks good, when I replaced the gasket. My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my oldest son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few bucks, or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money and try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... Opinions? BOBBY WHITEHEAD From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 3 18:09:37 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 20:09:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDD806B0DEE39D-FA4-37B4E@webmail-d130.sysops.aol.com> my grandson, the varsity wrestler, would want it. he thinks they are cool....so does Tony Drews. i have one in the garage, too. -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 6:30 pm Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. Jeeerrrrrrreeeees in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service manager/neighbor) informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a $500 sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus ttl. 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from day one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux I had the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal leaking, causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt looks good, when I replaced the gasket. My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my oldest son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few bucks, or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money and try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... Opinions? BOBBY WHITEHEAD _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 3 18:32:37 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 18:32:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury In-Reply-To: <368913.54225.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20110504003458.A476B187656@autox.team.net> Mike, I have the quaife in an IRS car and it grips just great and running a 3/4 rear sway bar. I've been told the quaife will still spin a wheel if you lift one, I haven't had that problem. For a live axle car I would imagine the Salsbury would be better as there is a better chance of lifting a wheel. Jim G. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MIKE DEWEERD Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury Amici I'm thinking of retiring the "Lincoln Locker" (welded diff) in my TR4 and installing a Limited Slip Diff. Pricing between the two is similar enough to not be an issue so......Opinions Please... Which Diff do you run and why is it better or worse? also ramp angles which is best (Salisbury) 45/45 or 30/60? Note that I run the car mostly at Mosport, Mid Ohio and the Glen secondly...(If it makes a difference) Thank you Mike Deweerd TR4 #77 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 3 18:44:12 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 17:44:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CDD806B0DEE39D-FA4-37B4E@webmail-d130.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <35EF927BE6E94730A6BF45BAFB5F99F9@Bud> I love my 1990...handles like a little race car..insurance is cheap...good gas mileage...repairs are cheap..on and on.. RB Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > my grandson, the varsity wrestler, would want it. > > he thinks they are cool....so does Tony Drews. > > i have one in the garage, too. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bobby Whitehead > To: FoT Triumph > Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 6:30 pm > Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > > > Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. > Jeeerrrrrrreeeees > > in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service > manager/neighbor) > > informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a > $500 > > sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus > ttl. > > 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from > day > > one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- > > Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. > > Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux > I > had > > the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal > leaking, > > causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt > looks > > good, when I replaced the gasket. > > > > My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was > quoted > as > > saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only > people > > driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my > oldest > > son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... > > I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few > bucks, > > or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money > and > > try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... > > > > Opinions? > > > > BOBBY WHITEHEAD > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tlizzard at msn.com Tue May 3 18:48:45 2011 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 20:48:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Why look at the downside? What you have is an example of the largest selling sports car of all time, and curiously, the best traditional two seat sports car ever offered by any manufacturer in the North American market, ever. It has the best chassis under $30,000, period. They are as reliable as a Corolla. They won't leak their innards all over your drive way. What's not to like? Terry Stetler From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 3 18:53:01 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 17:53:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <68FD68EFF0C348EBA09B424E154C4C8F@Vista> It's OK Bobby, people used to say that only Hairdressers buy Spitfires! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people driving these things. "I said that?"... BOBBY WHITEHEAD From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 3 19:06:13 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 18:06:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20A2A71BDB144A48AA5C2315F4ED70D1@Bud> and ..if you want it to be British..it's designed after the Lotus Elan RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" To: "FoT Triumph" ; "Bobby Whitehead" Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > Why look at the downside? > > What you have is an example of the largest selling sports car of all time, > and > curiously, the best traditional two seat sports car ever offered by any > manufacturer in the North American market, ever. > > It has the best chassis under $30,000, period. > > They are as reliable as a Corolla. > > They won't leak their innards all over your drive way. > > What's not to like? > > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From alfetta95 at optonline.net Tue May 3 19:24:26 2011 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 21:24:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5C06CDE8-ACFA-4630-B1F5-E614450EF965@optonline.net> My 1992 has 202,000 miles on it. Does use a little oil but still runs strong. Handles like a go kart. Very reliable. Might drop a 5.0 into it. Supercar numbers! But don't go by me. I'm all over the car world. Todd Redmond 1958 TR 3A 1979 Alfa Romeo Alfetta GT 1992 Mazda Miata Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2011, at 7:30 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. Jeeerrrrrrreeeees > in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service manager/neighbor) > informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a $500 > sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus ttl. > 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from day > one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- > Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. > Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux I had > the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal leaking, > causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt looks > good, when I replaced the gasket. > > My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as > saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people > driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my oldest > son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... > I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few bucks, > or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money and > try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... > > Opinions? > > BOBBY WHITEHEAD > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net From billb at bnj.com Tue May 3 19:27:00 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 18:27:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIata is the TR3 of the 90's On May 3, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. Jeeerrrrrrreeeees > in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service manager/neighbor) > informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a $500 > sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus ttl. > 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from day > one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- > Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. > Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux I had > the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal leaking, > causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt looks > good, when I replaced the gasket. > > My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as > saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people > driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my oldest > son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... > I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few bucks, > or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money and > try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... > > Opinions? > > BOBBY WHITEHEAD > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 3 19:36:04 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 18:36:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury In-Reply-To: <20110504003458.A476B187656@autox.team.net> References: <368913.54225.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20110504003458.A476B187656@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <59876A3FAE68462093946E6E39DAB820@Vista> Since the Quaife is torque biased, when one axle is totally free to spin (as in broken axle or lifted wheel) the other will not provide any drive at all. So during that period, you have no acceleration. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Gray Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:33 PM To: 'MIKE DEWEERD' Cc: Friends of triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury Mike, I have the quaife in an IRS car and it grips just great and running a 3/4 rear sway bar. I've been told the quaife will still spin a wheel if you lift one, I haven't had that problem. For a live axle car I would imagine the Salsbury would be better as there is a better chance of lifting a wheel. Jim G. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MIKE DEWEERD Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury Amici I'm thinking of retiring the "Lincoln Locker" (welded diff) in my TR4 and installing a Limited Slip Diff. Pricing between the two is similar enough to not be an issue so......Opinions Please... Which Diff do you run and why is it better or worse? also ramp angles which is best (Salisbury) 45/45 or 30/60? Note that I run the car mostly at Mosport, Mid Ohio and the Glen secondly...(If it makes a difference) Thank you Mike Deweerd TR4 #77 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue May 3 19:36:26 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 21:36:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 front uprights-race use Message-ID: <1948d.3f360b6.3af2079a@aol.com> They have been severely slated on the Brit car forums as poorly engineered. They don't seem to be available last I checked, perhaps going thru a rethink? Dave Pearson is a top bloke so it will be right in the end. In a message dated 5/3/2011 7:34:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: What about the "Trunnionless Front Suspension Kit" offered by Canley Classics in the UK: http://www.canleyclassics.com/?xhtml=xhtml/product/catkit1.html&xsl=product. x sl NFI, just aware that it's out there.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Enquiries Road & Track I am researching alternatives for the front suspension uprights & wishbones on my wifes Gt6 Triumph racer.... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue May 3 20:07:14 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 22:07:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <20A2A71BDB144A48AA5C2315F4ED70D1@Bud> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20A2A71BDB144A48AA5C2315F4ED70D1@Bud> Message-ID: <4DC0B4D2.1080703@141.com> And you can get it in British Racing Green! Which we did! :D Susan :) On 5/3/2011 9:06 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > and ..if you want it to be British..it's designed after the Lotus Elan > RB > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" > To: "FoT Triumph" ; "Bobby Whitehead" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:48 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > > >> Why look at the downside? >> >> What you have is an example of the largest selling sports car of all >> time, and >> curiously, the best traditional two seat sports car ever offered by any >> manufacturer in the North American market, ever. >> >> It has the best chassis under $30,000, period. >> >> They are as reliable as a Corolla. >> >> They won't leak their innards all over your drive way. >> >> What's not to like? >> >> >> Terry Stetler >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3612 - Release Date: 05/03/11 > > -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From mini at wi.rr.com Tue May 3 20:13:24 2011 From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 21:13:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DC0B644.3060104@wi.rr.com> We have a 99 Miata for our "winter beater". It's a great little car, does everything well, but as I tell everyone who asks about it, "It's the brown paper bag of sports cars, does things well but is totally uninspiring. The car has no personality" Sorry Bill, but the TR3 has more character then any Miata could ever hope to have. (That said, my wife won't let me sell "her car"!) Richard Gehweiler On 5/3/2011 8:27 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > MIata is the TR3 of the 90's From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 3 20:13:59 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 19:13:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20A2A71BDB144A48AA5C2315F4ED70D1@Bud> <4DC0B4D2.1080703@141.com> Message-ID: the green is the rare one..very pretty...yellow was a limited color too.....RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "RACER BUD" Cc: "Terry Stetler" ; "FoT Triumph" ; "Bobby Whitehead" Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > And you can get it in British Racing Green! Which we did! :D > > Susan :) > > > On 5/3/2011 9:06 PM, RACER BUD wrote: >> and ..if you want it to be British..it's designed after the Lotus Elan >> RB >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" >> To: "FoT Triumph" ; "Bobby Whitehead" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! >> >> >>> Why look at the downside? >>> >>> What you have is an example of the largest selling sports car of all >>> time, and >>> curiously, the best traditional two seat sports car ever offered by any >>> manufacturer in the North American market, ever. >>> >>> It has the best chassis under $30,000, period. >>> >>> They are as reliable as a Corolla. >>> >>> They won't leak their innards all over your drive way. >>> >>> What's not to like? >>> >>> >>> Terry Stetler >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3612 - Release Date: 05/03/11 >> >> > > -- > I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue May 3 20:54:46 2011 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 20:54:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 cam timing question- Message-ID: Evenin' all - Currently in rebuild mode & have lost my timing notes - I've the humble #TH6 Kent unit with a 108 dg. lobe center, 284/284 duration @ .020" (244 duration @ 105 deg. @ .050") Street spec timing is 108 deg. (strght. up) Am 'assuming' that one wants a 2-4 deg. retarded, but not sure & open to suggestions. Thanks! Kev Lynch From mark at bradakis.com Tue May 3 21:09:09 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 21:09:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DC0C355.7000406@bradakis.com> There's a pawn shop next to a place to which we often deliver. It has a red '92 that looks pretty good for 3 grand. I never think about it when I drive by a few times a day. There is also a shop that has had this TR7 coupe out front forever. I hope they get rid of it before it ends up in my drive next to the blue one. mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 3 21:07:13 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 20:07:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DC0B644.3060104@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: The Miata has HUGE personality... RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Gehweiler" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > We have a 99 Miata for our "winter beater". It's a great little car, does > everything well, but as I tell everyone who asks about it, "It's the brown > paper bag of sports cars, does things well but is totally uninspiring. The > car has no personality" Sorry Bill, but the TR3 has more character then > any Miata could ever hope to have. (That said, my wife won't let me sell > "her car"!) > > Richard Gehweiler > > On 5/3/2011 8:27 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: >> MIata is the TR3 of the 90's > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 3 22:04:24 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 21:04:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DC0C355.7000406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1B746D0D6C8D471A82AA6814411E4A4E@Bud> Give it a drive...When I first drove mine, I thought someone had put competition suspension on it because it handles so well..They are absolutely amazing!.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > There's a pawn shop next to a place to which we often deliver. > It has a red '92 that looks pretty good for 3 grand. I never think > about it when I drive by a few times a day. > > There is also a shop that has had this TR7 coupe out front forever. > I hope they get rid of it before it ends up in my drive next to the > blue one. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 3 22:13:44 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 21:13:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DC0C355.7000406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <0819BF3882784BF89CA96B7E3DE80AB0@Bud> Another neat thing about owning a Miata is..at least with the early (pop up headlight) cars..we wave to each other, like we did with sports cars in the old days..these cars are 21 years old now.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > There's a pawn shop next to a place to which we often deliver. > It has a red '92 that looks pretty good for 3 grand. I never think > about it when I drive by a few times a day. > > There is also a shop that has had this TR7 coupe out front forever. > I hope they get rid of it before it ends up in my drive next to the > blue one. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed May 4 00:19:34 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 23:19:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DC0EFF6.3000507@comcast.net> We're on our third Miata. The latest is a 2005 Mazdaspeed with factory turbo and all the good stuff except for cruise control. It's an incredible car on twisty two lane roads - horrid on the interstates. Gonna put a Triumph sticker on it so we can take it on the local Triumph club tour since the Spit is not street legal. On 5/3/2011 4:30 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. Jeeerrrrrrreeeees > in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service manager/neighbor) > informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a $500 > sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus ttl. > 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from day > one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- > Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. > Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux I had > the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal leaking, > causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt looks > good, when I replaced the gasket. > > My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as > saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people > driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my oldest > son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... > I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few bucks, > or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money and > try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... > > Opinions? > > BOBBY WHITEHEAD > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 4 00:59:47 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 08:59:47 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury In-Reply-To: <368913.54225.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <368913.54225.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001cc0a28$ddf9d890$99ed89b0$@com> Kas recommended the welded diff to me and I run it since 2005 and my car very fast. If I would go for a LSD then Sailsbury, no Quiffe. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von MIKE DEWEERD Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2011 01:27 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury Amici I'm thinking of retiring the "Lincoln Locker" (welded diff) in my TR4 and installing a Limited Slip Diff. Pricing between the two is similar enough to not be an issue so......Opinions Please... Which Diff do you run and why is it better or worse? also ramp angles which is best (Salisbury) 45/45 or 30/60? Note that I run the car mostly at Mosport, Mid Ohio and the Glen secondly...(If it makes a difference) Thank you Mike Deweerd TR4 #77 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 4 01:05:10 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 09:05:10 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2011 01:30 An: FoT Triumph Betreff: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. Jeeerrrrrrreeeees in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service manager/neighbor) informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a $500 sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus ttl. 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from day one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux I had the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal leaking, causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt looks good, when I replaced the gasket. My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my oldest son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few bucks, or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money and try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... Opinions? BOBBY WHITEHEAD _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Wed May 4 06:12:20 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 22:12:20 +1000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 front uprights-race use Message-ID: thanks for the replies guys I've tried canley classics several times and never had a reply, so i guess they are either too arrogant or too lazy to get my business who is dave pearson and what is his role in these uprights?? I'm surprised some of the GT6/Spitfire racers have not had something to say Terry From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed May 4 08:10:10 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 14:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? Message-ID: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my pushrods are too long. I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock block. .008 was taken off the block and I canbt remember how much off the head to give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b. Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my adjusters are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread projecting from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash but when I got to # 3 that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution in the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnbt the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the pushrods. Thanks again for input, B Jim G. From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed May 4 08:40:42 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 07:40:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? References: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <94973C544F96497C998E4C7F789EEC48@Charly> If you shim the pedestals, you change the angle of the contact on the valve from the rocker. If you have roller rockers, it may not matter, but with the stock rockers , you will get wear. I've seen it on other TR6's. You can order shorter pushrods and they usually can be delivered pretty quickly. Your cam shop should be able to help you with this. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:10 AM Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? > FoT > > I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my > pushrods > are too long. > > I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock > block. > > .008 was taken off the block and I canbt remember how much off the head > to > give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b . > > Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my > adjusters > are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread > projecting > from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash > but > when I got to # 3 > > that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. > > Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution > in > the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnbt > the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the > pushrods. > > Thanks again for input, > > > > B > > Jim G. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From ac at camoletti.ch Wed May 4 08:42:56 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 16:42:56 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? NO Message-ID: <001301cc0a69$8f2a4e20$ad7eea60$@camoletti.ch> Hi Jim ! If you raise the pedestals then you alter the geometry and your rockers will not work properly, in particular in you have a higher lift cam than stock. When valve is at half lift, then the rocker tip bottom should be horizontal with the axle centreline, so that your rockers will be working equally both sides up and down when working the valves, and not only down as it will be the case if you shim the pedestals: If you shim the pedestals then the rockers will sit higher and the tip will be sitting lower than before vs axle centre, and with this you shorten the rocker ratio (the lower the tip, the closest it is to the axle and the pedestal) and in addition you put more side pressure on the valve stem and you get additional wear. It is not much, but you put additional strain here. So the ticket is to get shorter pushrods and maybe also skim the pedestal bases if you have a higher lift, to restore the geometry, to have it as neutral as possible and not biased towards the bottom. David Vizard explains this very well in "Theory and practice of cylinder head modification" If you make a simple schematic it should become clearer than my words! Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de toodamnfunky at comcast.net Envoyi : mercredi 4 mai 2011 16:10 @ : fot Objet : [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? FoT I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my pushrods are too long. I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock block. .008 was taken off the block and I canbt remember how much off the head to give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b . Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my adjusters are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread projecting from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash but when I got to # 3 that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution in the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnbt the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the pushrods. Thanks again for input, B Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed May 4 09:03:17 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 08:03:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? References: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <109C4B1DCC404B89B55012E793D06ACB@Charly> Try this: http://www.pushrods.net/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:10 AM Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? > FoT > > I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my > pushrods > are too long. > > I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock > block. > > .008 was taken off the block and I canbt remember how much off the head > to > give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b . > > Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my > adjusters > are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread > projecting > from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash > but > when I got to # 3 > > that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. > > Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution > in > the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnbt > the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the > pushrods. > > Thanks again for input, > > > > B > > Jim G. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 4 09:03:51 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 17:03:51 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? In-Reply-To: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <005601cc0a6c$7d5b8f80$7812ae80$@com> I run shims under the pedestals. 1.5 mm thick. They work fine with stock rockers. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2011 16:10 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? FoT I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my pushrods are too long. I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock block. .008 was taken off the block and I canbt remember how much off the head to give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b . Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my adjusters are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread projecting from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash but when I got to # 3 that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution in the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnbt the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the pushrods. Thanks again for input, B Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From triosan at gmail.com Wed May 4 09:04:10 2011 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 10:04:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? In-Reply-To: <94973C544F96497C998E4C7F789EEC48@Charly> References: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <94973C544F96497C998E4C7F789EEC48@Charly> Message-ID: Call Ted at TSI -- he sells tubular rods at any length -- quickly. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: > If you shim the pedestals, you change the angle of the contact on the valve > from the rocker. If you have roller rockers, it may not matter, but with > the stock rockers , you will get wear. I've seen it on other TR6's. > You can order shorter pushrods and they usually can be delivered pretty > quickly. Your cam shop should be able to help you with this. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: "fot" > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:10 AM > Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? > > > FoT >> >> I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my >> pushrods >> are too long. >> >> I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock >> block. >> >> .008 was taken off the block and I canb t remember how much off the head >> to >> give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b . >> >> Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my >> adjusters >> are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread >> projecting >> from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash >> but >> when I got to # 3 >> >> that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. >> >> Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution >> in >> the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnb t >> the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the >> pushrods. >> >> Thanks again for input, >> >> >> >> B >> >> Jim G. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From riverside at southslope.net Wed May 4 09:10:04 2011 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 10:10:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> Message-ID: <7CCCF571CE25484787AD8B083FA6F882@rileyPC> Only drove two of them. One (stock) belonged to a daughter's boyfriend. He foolishly allowed me to take him for a ride. A little Nurburgring is nearby. Scared him silly. The other one had a paxton blown 302 in it. I drove it on the interstate only. Scared me silly. Tried to imagine track days at R/A in the crazy thing. Talk about a man's car! art de armond -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 2:05 AM To: 'FoT Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2011 01:30 An: FoT Triumph Betreff: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. Jeeerrrrrrreeeees in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service manager/neighbor) informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a $500 sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus ttl. 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from day one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux I had the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal leaking, causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt looks good, when I replaced the gasket. My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my oldest son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few bucks, or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money and try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... Opinions? BOBBY WHITEHEAD _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed May 4 09:42:52 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 08:42:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? In-Reply-To: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <026101cc0a71$ee21da80$0301a8c0@randall> If you or a buddy have access to a lathe, you can chuck up the pushrod and use a parting tool to remove just the end of the tube (next to the cup where the adjuster rides). Then tap the cup farther into the tube. ISTR Kas described this in one of the "Comp Prep" books. But you could probably also get shorter pushrods in just a few days, if you call around a bit. When I got mine from Ken G., he had them on the shelf. -- Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 4 10:13:24 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 18:13:24 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? In-Reply-To: <026101cc0a71$ee21da80$0301a8c0@randall> References: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <026101cc0a71$ee21da80$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <007001cc0a76$34446ce0$9ccd46a0$@com> Right, Kas has described that tweak but this was with racing pushrods. The stock pushrods have welded ends...no chance to drive them in after the lathe job! Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Randall Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2011 17:43 An: toodamnfunky at comcast.net; 'fot' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? If you or a buddy have access to a lathe, you can chuck up the pushrod and use a parting tool to remove just the end of the tube (next to the cup where the adjuster rides). Then tap the cup farther into the tube. ISTR Kas described this in one of the "Comp Prep" books. But you could probably also get shorter pushrods in just a few days, if you call around a bit. When I got mine from Ken G., he had them on the shelf. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From billb at bnj.com Wed May 4 10:26:37 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 09:26:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? In-Reply-To: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <191B69CE-550A-4A1D-86EA-822A0C446227@bnj.com> Rocker arm geometry is critical. You want the rocker to have the same angle downwards at full lift that it has upwards on the cam base circle (where the valve clearance is set). You get that right first and then get the right length pushrods. If you have good quality pushrods you can get them shortened by a machine shop, or just order new ones from Smith. On May 4, 2011, at 7:10 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > FoT > > I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my pushrods > are too long. > > I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock block. > > .008 was taken off the block and I canbt remember how much off the head to > give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b. > > Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my adjusters > are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread projecting > from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash but > when I got to # 3 > > that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. > > Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution in > the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnbt > the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the > pushrods. > > Thanks again for input, > > > > B > > Jim G. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed May 4 14:02:45 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 20:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? In-Reply-To: <20110504150228.P9P5Z.372123.imail@fed1rmwml4101> Message-ID: <1046612882.722871.1304539365079.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Thanks everybody for the input. I have no doubt the way to go will be the correct pushrod length but for thisB upcoming race it will be 1/16" shims. The measurements taken so far show 1/16" should be just about right and I have the material in stock. Thanks again for the feedback, Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2011 1:02:28 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? I have used shims under the pedestals several times. Not more than about 1/16" though. If you do remember to drill a hole for the lube oil in the back rocker post. B That will probably get you running, but better, shorter pushrods are the number. B If you have racing pushrods already then just stick in a lather and using a parting tool take off about B the same amount of material as you took off the head and then tape the ball back into place. B You can do either end. B Cannot do with stock pushrods as they are welded at the tips. But, all the talk about the geometry is correct, but you will most likely get the rocker tip back in the center at half lift with a shim. B Take a look, can't hurt to look. You can use a bit of white grease on the valve tip will tell you if you are correct as the pattern should be in the middle of the valve. It might be easier to set the rocker at the half lift of the cam and that angle should be 90 degrees. If all this is too much, then order some shorter pushrods :-) ---- toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: FoT I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my pushrods are too long. I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock block. .008 was taken off the block and I canbt remember how much off the head to give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b. Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my adjusters are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread projecting from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash but when I got to # 3 that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution in the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnbt the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the pushrods. Thanks again for input, B Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed May 4 19:36:52 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 21:36:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 front uprights-race use Message-ID: <2b851.541e2ca4.3af35934@aol.com> Terry, over the years I've talked to lots of TVR guys who are suffering much worse than we with their big slicks and higher Horsepowers. No one has a solution so far. I drilled and tapped the bottom (Top?) of my oil drillings and ran a long socket head cap screw up there putting the whole stub into compression. Don't know if it will help but at least I have a chance of bending before fracture. No failures in many years now so it clearly didn't hurt. I had a rod end conversion here from some Elva racers and it frightened me as they had simply macined off all of the threads to fit the rod end. I'm told the early FF's had an undrilled stub but I doubt we'll see any of those anymore. We'll keep our eyes open and hope for the best....Steve In a message dated 5/4/2011 5:55:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au writes: thanks for the replies guys I've tried canley classics several times and never had a reply, so i guess they are either too arrogant or too lazy to get my business who is dave pearson and what is his role in these uprights?? I'm surprised some of the GT6/Spitfire racers have not had something to say Terry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Thu May 5 06:58:16 2011 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 05:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> Message-ID: <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 MPH! For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and Michelin DOT racing tires. And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT member! Mike Munson >From the Corvette factory Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 5 07:02:20 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 15:02:20 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002c01cc0b24$acf27200$06d75600$@com> Corvette is a great car. But if you would let the choice to me with American cars I would have a go in a Ford GT (40). Cheers Chris Von: Mike Munson [mailto:fasttrs at yahoo.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2011 14:58 An: MadMarx; FoT Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 MPH! For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and Michelin DOT racing tires. And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT member! Mike Munson >From the Corvette factory Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris From ac at camoletti.ch Thu May 5 08:32:31 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 16:32:31 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002e01cc0b31$44ced350$ce6c79f0$@camoletti.ch> Got a ride in the new Ferrari 458 Italia, this is also real power! Frightening that anyone (with the big wallet) is allowed to drive such missile! -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Mike Munson Envoyi : jeudi 5 mai 2011 14:58 @ : MadMarx; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 MPH! For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and Michelin DOT racing tires. And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT member! Mike Munson >From the Corvette factory Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu May 5 09:07:27 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 11:07:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <002e01cc0b31$44ced350$ce6c79f0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: Combien varai....mais on doit admettre les voitures italiennes sont belles aussi bien...J'aime ma voiture de route d'araignee d'Alfa Romeo...... John H. 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Frightening that anyone (with the big wallet) is allowed to drive such missile! -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Mike Munson Envoyi : jeudi 5 mai 2011 14:58 @ : MadMarx; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 MPH! For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and Michelin DOT racing tires. And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT member! Mike Munson >From the Corvette factory Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From billb at bnj.com Thu May 5 09:54:02 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 08:54:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <002e01cc0b31$44ced350$ce6c79f0$@camoletti.ch> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <002e01cc0b31$44ced350$ce6c79f0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <05FE0D63-C6D4-4461-BF6C-2E5AA39C2C80@bnj.com> Most of the really powerful 500 and up HP cars these days have enough computer oversight to make them controllable by even the untalented and untutored driver--as long as you don't put them in race mode. ABS, traction control and computer controlled differentials make them no worse than a 200 HP sporty car. Generally you can't really turn all the stuff off without some special tricks--turning off traction control just turns it down. Until recently Diane had a Bentley Continental Flying Spur--535 horsepower, capable of 195 MPH, and your Mom could drive it safely. Of course if she wasn't paying attention she might find herself doing 140 on the freeway--feels just the same as 55 except the other cars go by faster. Calling any of these things a "real man's car" is a little silly. My 360 Spider was great fun to drive, felt light and responsive. But any fool could drive it--I treated it like a Toyota, drove it all the time. For a real man's car I think you'd need something like a 62 Corvette, though come to think of it, that was Diane's daily driver when we first got together. And yes, I sold the Ferrari too. We moved to a small town, and they just don't fit the lifestyle. Oh, and it's dilemma. On May 5, 2011, at 7:32 AM, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: > Got a ride in the new Ferrari 458 Italia, this is also real power! > Frightening that anyone (with the big wallet) is allowed to drive such > missile! > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la > part de Mike Munson > Envoyi : jeudi 5 mai 2011 14:58 > @ : MadMarx; FoT Triumph > Objet : Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > > A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 > MPH! > For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and > Michelin DOT racing tires. > And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT > member! > > Mike Munson >> From the Corvette > factory > Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: > > Porsche 911. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 5 09:59:16 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 17:59:16 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <05FE0D63-C6D4-4461-BF6C-2E5AA39C2C80@bnj.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <002e01cc0b31$44ced350$ce6c79f0$@camoletti.ch> <05FE0D63-C6D4-4461-BF6C-2E5AA39C2C80@bnj.com> Message-ID: <001b01cc0b3d$662bf850$3283e8f0$@com> What has a town to do with a car? No tarmac roads? Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2011 17:54 An: Alexandre Camoletti Cc: 'Mike Munson'; 'MadMarx'; 'FoT Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Most of the really powerful 500 and up HP cars these days have enough computer oversight to make them controllable by even the untalented and untutored driver--as long as you don't put them in race mode. ABS, traction control and computer controlled differentials make them no worse than a 200 HP sporty car. Generally you can't really turn all the stuff off without some special tricks--turning off traction control just turns it down. Until recently Diane had a Bentley Continental Flying Spur--535 horsepower, capable of 195 MPH, and your Mom could drive it safely. Of course if she wasn't paying attention she might find herself doing 140 on the freeway--feels just the same as 55 except the other cars go by faster. Calling any of these things a "real man's car" is a little silly. My 360 Spider was great fun to drive, felt light and responsive. But any fool could drive it--I treated it like a Toyota, drove it all the time. For a real man's car I think you'd need something like a 62 Corvette, though come to think of it, that was Diane's daily driver when we first got together. And yes, I sold the Ferrari too. We moved to a small town, and they just don't fit the lifestyle. Oh, and it's dilemma. On May 5, 2011, at 7:32 AM, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: Got a ride in the new Ferrari 458 Italia, this is also real power! Frightening that anyone (with the big wallet) is allowed to drive such missile! -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Mike Munson Envoyi : jeudi 5 mai 2011 14:58 @ : MadMarx; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 MPH! For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and Michelin DOT racing tires. And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT member! Mike Munson >From the Corvette factory Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billb at bnj.com Thu May 5 10:36:00 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 09:36:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <001b01cc0b3d$662bf850$3283e8f0$@com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <002e01cc0b31$44ced350$ce6c79f0$@camoletti.ch> <05FE0D63-C6D4-4461-BF6C-2E5AA39C2C80@bnj.com> <001b01cc0b3d$662bf850$3283e8f0$@com> Message-ID: <9F9DEF47-D748-4587-AED5-7530B0E581DF@bnj.com> It's not the town, it's me. I've retired, and I'm concentrating on active sports--windsurfing, stand up paddling, kitesurfing, surfing, mountain biking. None of which fits a Ferrari well. My F350 truck works a lot better for that. The Ferrari was just sitting, not a good thing to do to a great car. For a fun car I'm building a TR3 from collected bits. On May 5, 2011, at 8:59 AM, MadMarx wrote: > What has a town to do with a car? > No tarmac roads? > > Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2011 17:54 > An: Alexandre Camoletti > Cc: 'Mike Munson'; 'MadMarx'; 'FoT Triumph' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > > Most of the really powerful 500 and up HP cars these days have enough computer oversight to make them controllable by even the untalented and untutored driver--as long as you don't put them in race mode. ABS, traction control and computer controlled differentials make them no worse than a 200 HP sporty car. Generally you can't really turn all the stuff off without some special tricks--turning off traction control just turns it down. > > Until recently Diane had a Bentley Continental Flying Spur--535 horsepower, capable of 195 MPH, and your Mom could drive it safely. Of course if she wasn't paying attention she might find herself doing 140 on the freeway--feels just the same as 55 except the other cars go by faster. > > Calling any of these things a "real man's car" is a little silly. My 360 Spider was great fun to drive, felt light and responsive. But any fool could drive it--I treated it like a Toyota, drove it all the time. For a real man's car I think you'd need something like a 62 Corvette, though come to think of it, that was Diane's daily driver when we first got together. > > And yes, I sold the Ferrari too. We moved to a small town, and they just don't fit the lifestyle. > > Oh, and it's dilemma. > > > On May 5, 2011, at 7:32 AM, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: > > > Got a ride in the new Ferrari 458 Italia, this is also real power! > Frightening that anyone (with the big wallet) is allowed to drive such > missile! > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la > part de Mike Munson > Envoyi : jeudi 5 mai 2011 14:58 > @ : MadMarx; FoT Triumph > Objet : Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > > A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 > MPH! > For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and > Michelin DOT racing tires. > And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT > member! > > Mike Munson > > From the Corvette > factory > Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: > > Porsche 911. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > > > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu May 5 10:42:52 2011 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 12:42:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Message-ID: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> What has a town to do with a car? No tarmac roads? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- Probably nothing really....but it draws a lot of attention, with even just an Ambro, TR3A, and a TR4 race car, in small town Iowa. "Oh ya, you're the guy with the funny little cars". To keep up with the neighbors, a nice pick up truck will do. > > > > From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 5 10:45:40 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 18:45:40 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <9F9DEF47-D748-4587-AED5-7530B0E581DF@bnj.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <002e01cc0b31$44ced350$ce6c79f0$@camoletti.ch> <05FE0D63-C6D4-4461-BF6C-2E5AA39C2C80@bnj.com> <001b01cc0b3d$662bf850$3283e8f0$@com> <9F9DEF47-D748-4587-AED5-7530B0E581DF@bnj.com> Message-ID: <003c01cc0b43$e12d0480$a3870d80$@com> You should get a Lamborghini LM002 car  that would fit your sports well J Cheers Chris Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2011 18:36 An: MadMarx Cc: 'Alexandre Camoletti'; 'Mike Munson'; 'FoT Triumph' Betreff: Re: AW: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! It's not the town, it's me. I've retired, and I'm concentrating on active sports--windsurfing, stand up paddling, kitesurfing, surfing, mountain biking. None of which fits a Ferrari well. My F350 truck works a lot better for that. The Ferrari was just sitting, not a good thing to do to a great car. For a fun car I'm building a TR3 from collected bits. On May 5, 2011, at 8:59 AM, MadMarx wrote: What has a town to do with a car? No tarmac roads? Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2011 17:54 An: Alexandre Camoletti Cc: 'Mike Munson'; 'MadMarx'; 'FoT Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Most of the really powerful 500 and up HP cars these days have enough computer oversight to make them controllable by even the untalented and untutored driver--as long as you don't put them in race mode. ABS, traction control and computer controlled differentials make them no worse than a 200 HP sporty car. Generally you can't really turn all the stuff off without some special tricks--turning off traction control just turns it down. Until recently Diane had a Bentley Continental Flying Spur--535 horsepower, capable of 195 MPH, and your Mom could drive it safely. Of course if she wasn't paying attention she might find herself doing 140 on the freeway--feels just the same as 55 except the other cars go by faster. Calling any of these things a "real man's car" is a little silly. My 360 Spider was great fun to drive, felt light and responsive. But any fool could drive it--I treated it like a Toyota, drove it all the time. For a real man's car I think you'd need something like a 62 Corvette, though come to think of it, that was Diane's daily driver when we first got together. And yes, I sold the Ferrari too. We moved to a small town, and they just don't fit the lifestyle. Oh, and it's dilemma. On May 5, 2011, at 7:32 AM, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: Got a ride in the new Ferrari 458 Italia, this is also real power! Frightening that anyone (with the big wallet) is allowed to drive such missile! -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Mike Munson Envoyi : jeudi 5 mai 2011 14:58 @ : MadMarx; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 MPH! For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and Michelin DOT racing tires. And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT member! Mike Munson >From the Corvette factory Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu May 5 10:48:55 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 12:48:55 EDT Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Related... Message-ID: <3c8a1.6f2f8aac.3af42ef7@aol.com> Amici... Sorry, but this is Triumph related (sort of). At this time of year my heart and head are in Louisville for the KENTUCKY OAKS on Friday and the KENTUCKY DERBY on Saturday. Not a High Roller, nor even a frequent Horse Player, but handicapping the big horse races has been a hobby of mine for over thirty-five years. In the Third Race on Derby Day's undercard there is a dark brown colt named GOLDEN TRIUMPH with Tony Garcia in the irons. I have not handicapped that race yet, but Churchill's Morning Line Handicapper has him figured to come in 2nd. Bill (Damdinger) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 5 10:54:08 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 18:54:08 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> References: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> Message-ID: <004101cc0b45$0e36e7b0$2aa4b710$@com> Hmmm.....have you ever thought about the little boys in your neighborhood? When I was a little boy, the neighbor 8 houses far had a Maserati Quadroporte. I loved the noise when I laid in bed in the morning and woke up from the dark menace noise the car made when the owner drove to work. Make little boys happy! Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2011 18:43 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! What has a town to do with a car? No tarmac roads? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- Probably nothing really....but it draws a lot of attention, with even just an Ambro, TR3A, and a TR4 race car, in small town Iowa. "Oh ya, you're the guy with the funny little cars". To keep up with the neighbors, a nice pick up truck will do. > > > > From jhouathome at aol.com Thu May 5 11:50:53 2011 From: jhouathome at aol.com (jhouathome at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 13:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Related... In-Reply-To: <3c8a1.6f2f8aac.3af42ef7@aol.com> References: <3c8a1.6f2f8aac.3af42ef7@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDD9641D08E2CC-17C0-17881@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> Bill, Does he leak in the trailer? John -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: fot Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 12:11 pm Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Related... Amici... Sorry, but this is Triumph related (sort of). At this time of year my eart and head are in Louisville for the KENTUCKY OAKS on Friday and the ENTUCKY DERBY on Saturday. Not a High Roller, nor even a frequent Horse layer, ut handicapping the big horse races has been a hobby of mine for over hirty-five years. In the Third Race on Derby Day's undercard there is a dark brown colt named OLDEN TRIUMPH with Tony Garcia in the irons. I have not handicapped that ace yet, but Churchill's Morning Line Handicapper has him figured to come n 2nd. Bill (Damdinger) ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu May 5 12:16:32 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 11:16:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Related... In-Reply-To: <8CDD9641D08E2CC-17C0-17881@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> References: <3c8a1.6f2f8aac.3af42ef7@aol.com> <8CDD9641D08E2CC-17C0-17881@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <03BC0D3F7A6F4BABAF023F8631D4A990@Vista> I recall an old saying about having to Piss like a race horse! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jhouathome at aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:51 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH Related... Bill, Does he leak in the trailer? John -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: fot Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 12:11 pm Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Related... Amici... Sorry, but this is Triumph related (sort of). At this time of year my eart and head are in Louisville for the KENTUCKY OAKS on Friday and the ENTUCKY DERBY on Saturday. Not a High Roller, nor even a frequent Horse layer, ut handicapping the big horse races has been a hobby of mine for over hirty-five years. In the Third Race on Derby Day's undercard there is a dark brown colt named OLDEN TRIUMPH with Tony Garcia in the irons. I have not handicapped that ace yet, but Churchill's Morning Line Handicapper has him figured to come n 2nd. Bill (Damdinger) ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 5 12:17:27 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 20:17:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Le Mans In-Reply-To: <3c8a1.6f2f8aac.3af42ef7@aol.com> References: <3c8a1.6f2f8aac.3af42ef7@aol.com> Message-ID: <000301cc0b50$b233a500$169aef00$@com> It is not a Triumph, but the subtitles are really worth to see. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNJi7K0x3UI&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL Cheers Chris From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Thu May 5 13:22:28 2011 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 15:22:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> References: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> Message-ID: > Probably nothing really....but it draws a lot of attention, with even just > an Ambro, TR3A, and a TR4 race car, in small town Iowa. > > "Oh ya, you're the guy with the funny little cars". > > To keep up with the neighbors, a nice pick up truck will do. I'm "the one with all them dopey little cars". Or did he say," The dopey one with all them little cars"? John H. From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 5 13:31:55 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 15:31:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: References: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> Message-ID: <8CDD9723A3E8100-2D6C-26E50@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> good to hear a little friendly banter among the FOT. i have been missing this feature. some folks would prefer to calculate the HP required to propel a brick shaped object weighing 2000# at 130mph. that's ok, too. we are discussing adding a feature to the list to allow those folks to do that. more on that later. joe a. -----Original Message----- From: John Herrera To: Joe Alexander ; tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 2:22 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > Probably nothing really....but it draws a lot of attention, with even just > an Ambro, TR3A, and a TR4 race car, in small town Iowa. > > "Oh ya, you're the guy with the funny little cars". > > To keep up with the neighbors, a nice pick up truck will do. I'm "the one with all them dopey little cars". Or did he say," The dopey one with all them little cars"? John H. = From herald948 at aol.com Thu May 5 14:02:15 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 16:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <8CDD9723A3E8100-2D6C-26E50@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> References: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> <8CDD9723A3E8100-2D6C-26E50@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDD976753ED6DD-738-490D@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: n197tr4 some folks would prefer to calculate the HP required to propel a brick shaped object weighing 2000# at 130mph. ==AM== Like, say, a Triumph Mayflower? ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu May 5 15:06:03 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 17:06:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Message-ID: <5601e.5c906355.3af46b3b@aol.com> If you're adding a feature how 'bout a "drunk" button so we know how to weigh the responses ;-)) In a message dated 5/5/2011 12:54:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: good to hear a little friendly banter among the FOT. i have been missing this feature. some folks would prefer to calculate the HP required to propel a brick shaped object weighing 2000# at 130mph. that's ok, too. we are discussing adding a feature to the list to allow those folks to do that. more on that later. joe a. -----Original Message----- From: John Herrera To: Joe Alexander ; tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 2:22 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > Probably nothing really....but it draws a lot of attention, with even just > an Ambro, TR3A, and a TR4 race car, in small town Iowa. > > "Oh ya, you're the guy with the funny little cars". > > To keep up with the neighbors, a nice pick up truck will do. I'm "the one with all them dopey little cars". Or did he say," The dopey one with all them little cars"? John H. = _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu May 5 15:41:26 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 17:41:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <8CDD976753ED6DD-738-490D@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> References: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> <8CDD9723A3E8100-2D6C-26E50@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> <8CDD976753ED6DD-738-490D@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000601cc0b6d$2faa4310$8efec930$@rogers.com> A fast Mayflower...how about one with a 460 ford engine. Saw this at a show about 10 years ago. http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/460Mayflower.jpg http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/460Mayflower2.jpg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Mace Sent: May 5, 2011 4:02 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! -----Original Message----- From: n197tr4 some folks would prefer to calculate the HP required to propel a brick shaped object weighing 2000# at 130mph. ==AM== Like, say, a Triumph Mayflower? ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From igofaster at att.net Fri May 6 07:31:37 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 06:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED Message-ID: <185765.53827.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> well nobody said I should dump the car.. I kind of like funny men in funny cars and that's what I'm sticking with... one more in the stable... Bobby Whitehead From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri May 6 10:02:48 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 18:02:48 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <185765.53827.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <185765.53827.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701cc0c07$0e764c80$2b62e580$@com> I didn't said it is a bad car, but so powerless. No punch on the throttle. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead Gesendet: Freitag, 6. Mai 2011 15:32 An: FoT Triumph Betreff: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED well nobody said I should dump the car.. I kind of like funny men in funny cars and that's what I'm sticking with... one more in the stable... Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri May 6 10:11:50 2011 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 12:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Tube ShoX for IRS TRs Message-ID: Hi, Is anyone out there running tube shock conversions on IRS TRs (4A IRS, TR250, TR5 or TR6)? I'm toying with trying that setup for my autocrosser, but I run 9.5" hoosier sliX (read over 10" wide), so I'm concerned about tire clearance. FWIW, I've seen the Gp 44 / Newman car and I know how that was done (with the pocket in the inner fender.) Just looking for options and / or stirring up a discussion... regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri May 6 10:38:09 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 16:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Tube ShoX for IRS TRs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1221920746.804526.1304699889892.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Robert, I have the shock conversion. I'll have the wheels on it sometime tomorrow. I can take a measurement and tell you how much clearance my 205's have. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 6, 2011 10:11:50 AM Subject: [Fot] Tube ShoX for IRS TRs Hi, Is anyone out there running tube shock conversions on IRS TRs (4A IRS, TR250, TR5 or TR6)? I'm toying with trying that setup for my autocrosser, but I run 9.5" hoosier sliX (read over 10" wide), so I'm concerned about tire clearance. FWIW, I've seen the Gp 44 / Newman car and I know how that was done (with the pocket in the inner fender.) Just looking for options and / or stirring up a discussion... regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Fri May 6 10:38:59 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 09:38:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED References: <185765.53827.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <002701cc0c07$0e764c80$2b62e580$@com> Message-ID: <291AE20962D24E5683A2F5C1B512C80B@Bud> Maybe we should have a MIATA CANNONBALL RUN(:>) RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" ; "'FoT Triumph'" Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED >I didn't said it is a bad car, but so powerless. > No punch on the throttle. > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead > Gesendet: Freitag, 6. Mai 2011 15:32 > An: FoT Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED > > well nobody said I should dump the car.. I kind of like funny men in funny > cars > and that's what I'm sticking with... > > one more in the stable... > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri May 6 10:43:52 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 18:43:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <291AE20962D24E5683A2F5C1B512C80B@Bud> References: <185765.53827.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <002701cc0c07$0e764c80$2b62e580$@com> <291AE20962D24E5683A2F5C1B512C80B@Bud> Message-ID: <004001cc0c0c$ce1c8c20$6a55a460$@com> Cannonball is the wrong word - marbles would fit better - ha ha ha! -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Gesendet: Freitag, 6. Mai 2011 18:39 An: MadMarx; 'Bobby Whitehead'; 'FoT Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED Maybe we should have a MIATA CANNONBALL RUN(:>) RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" ; "'FoT Triumph'" Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED >I didn't said it is a bad car, but so powerless. > No punch on the throttle. > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead > Gesendet: Freitag, 6. Mai 2011 15:32 > An: FoT Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED > > well nobody said I should dump the car.. I kind of like funny men in funny > cars > and that's what I'm sticking with... > > one more in the stable... > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From billb at bnj.com Fri May 6 12:25:47 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:25:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <291AE20962D24E5683A2F5C1B512C80B@Bud> References: <185765.53827.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <002701cc0c07$0e764c80$2b62e580$@com> <291AE20962D24E5683A2F5C1B512C80B@Bud> Message-ID: Clearly Chris has never driven one of the Monster Miatas. It's just like TR3's, which were less than 100 HP from the dealer. Miata Motors lend themselves to all kinds of fiddling--far more than any tractor motor. To the degree that Miata racing organizations have very strict rules about what you can do and lots of ways of checking for funny business--far too easy to pull ponies out of the cars. And then if it's not enough, you go Monster and drop in a V8. Oddly enough the V8 Miatas can handle very well, adds about 250 pounds to the car, and that can actually be shifted and fiddled to the degree that the weight distribution is 50/50 and total weight is less than stock. Big brake kit, some suspension upgrades, and we're talking truly amazing car. I've driven a very well prepared one, and it was in the realm of Ferrari performance. On May 6, 2011, at 9:38 AM, RACER BUD wrote: > Maybe we should have a MIATA CANNONBALL RUN(:>) > RB > ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" > To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" ; "'FoT Triumph'" > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 9:02 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED > > >> I didn't said it is a bad car, but so powerless. >> No punch on the throttle. >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im >> Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead >> Gesendet: Freitag, 6. Mai 2011 15:32 >> An: FoT Triumph >> Betreff: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED >> >> well nobody said I should dump the car.. I kind of like funny men in funny >> cars >> and that's what I'm sticking with... >> >> one more in the stable... >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri May 6 13:58:59 2011 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 19:58:59 GMT Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED Message-ID: <20110506.155859.29704.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Spec Miatas are very much a momentum car. Lift at the wrong place on the track and that lap is done. Need to draft where ever possible, which is why you often see them in a train and bump drafting. Also makes for big crashes, since when one gets out of whack there are usually others close by. They are a forgiving car and often when getting in trouble on the track just stand on the go pedal and it can be saved. If you want a car about the size of a Miata and performance like a monster miata, go for a Honda S2000. 240 HP out of the box for the 2 liter engine and 9000 redline. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Bill Babcock To: RACER BUD Cc: 'FoT Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:25:47 -0700 Clearly Chris has never driven one of the Monster Miatas. ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4dc45331231fa2d33e9st04duc From billb at bnj.com Fri May 6 14:05:47 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 13:05:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <20110506.155859.29704.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> References: <20110506.155859.29704.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <9516AED4-F462-452E-B1D6-0DE61788F8A9@bnj.com> ...and not much below 7000. I've driven one, great car, but make sure your fillings are in good shape before a trip. On May 6, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > Spec Miatas are very much a momentum car. Lift at the wrong place on the track and that lap is done. Need to draft where ever possible, which is why you often see them in a train and bump drafting. Also makes for big crashes, since when one gets out of whack there are usually others close by. > > They are a forgiving car and often when getting in trouble on the track just stand on the go pedal and it can be saved. > > If you want a car about the size of a Miata and performance like a monster miata, go for a Honda S2000. 240 HP out of the box for the 2 liter engine and 9000 redline. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Bill Babcock > To: RACER BUD > Cc: 'FoT Triumph' > Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED > Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:25:47 -0700 > > Clearly Chris has never driven one of the Monster Miatas. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Refinance Rates at 2.8% > $160,000 Mortgage $659/mo. No Hidden Points/Fees. 3.1% apr. Get Quote! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4dc453311f5132d4c77st02duc Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri May 6 14:38:44 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 16:38:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <9516AED4-F462-452E-B1D6-0DE61788F8A9@bnj.com> References: <20110506.155859.29704.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> <9516AED4-F462-452E-B1D6-0DE61788F8A9@bnj.com> Message-ID: <004801cc0c2d$983bf6b0$c8b3e410$@rogers.com> I sold my TR8s and got a 2001 BMW Z3 with the 3.0 engine and 5 speed. This car has the right combination in my book, retro look, torque, goes like stink, handles and still has all the creature comforts...and works. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: May 6, 2011 4:06 PM To: Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED ...and not much below 7000. I've driven one, great car, but make sure your fillings are in good shape before a trip. On May 6, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > Spec Miatas are very much a momentum car. Lift at the wrong place on > the track and that lap is done. Need to draft where ever possible, which is why you often see them in a train and bump drafting. Also makes for big crashes, since when one gets out of whack there are usually others close by. > > They are a forgiving car and often when getting in trouble on the > track just stand on the go pedal and it can be saved. > > If you want a car about the size of a Miata and performance like a > monster miata, go for a Honda S2000. 240 HP out of the box for the 2 liter engine and 9000 redline. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Bill Babcock > To: RACER BUD > Cc: 'FoT Triumph' > Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED > Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:25:47 -0700 > > Clearly Chris has never driven one of the Monster Miatas. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Refinance Rates at 2.8% > $160,000 Mortgage $659/mo. No Hidden Points/Fees. 3.1% apr. Get Quote! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4dc453311f5132d4c77st02duc Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From bownes at seiri.com Fri May 6 15:04:26 2011 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 17:04:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <004801cc0c2d$983bf6b0$c8b3e410$@rogers.com> References: <20110506.155859.29704.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> <9516AED4-F462-452E-B1D6-0DE61788F8A9@bnj.com> <004801cc0c2d$983bf6b0$c8b3e410$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <35966F77-91BA-4A4F-9B73-398CCC0D5803@seiri.com> Try the original M Coupe. :) BMW gave me one for a while when they first came out. Omi. :) On May 6, 2011, at 16:38, "macdonaldp" wrote: > I sold my TR8s and got a 2001 BMW Z3 with the 3.0 engine and 5 speed. This > car has the right combination in my book, retro look, torque, goes like > stink, handles and still has all the creature comforts...and works. > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: May 6, 2011 4:06 PM > To: Joe Boruch > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED > > ...and not much below 7000. I've driven one, great car, but make sure your > fillings are in good shape before a trip. > > On May 6, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > >> Spec Miatas are very much a momentum car. Lift at the wrong place on >> the > track and that lap is done. Need to draft where ever possible, which is why > you often see them in a train and bump drafting. Also makes for big > crashes, since when one gets out of whack there are usually others close by. >> >> They are a forgiving car and often when getting in trouble on the >> track just > stand on the go pedal and it can be saved. >> >> If you want a car about the size of a Miata and performance like a >> monster > miata, go for a Honda S2000. 240 HP out of the box for the 2 liter engine > and > 9000 redline. Joe(B) >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: Bill Babcock >> To: RACER BUD >> Cc: 'FoT Triumph' >> Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED >> Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:25:47 -0700 >> >> Clearly Chris has never driven one of the Monster Miatas. >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Refinance Rates at 2.8% >> $160,000 Mortgage $659/mo. No Hidden Points/Fees. 3.1% apr. Get Quote! >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4dc453311f5132d4c77st02duc > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri May 6 15:11:17 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 21:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <20110506.155859.29704.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <1304526974.816319.1304716277828.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I raced a spec miata last year ( scca ) and they do handle like crazy and the draft is important. Get out of the draft and your toast, did a bit of bump drafting too at PPIR. The top 4 or 5 miata drivers are still turning faster lap times than the TR's by about 3 -4B seconds a lap at High Plains but I expect to narrow that gap next week. The Miata's in spec trim weigh right about 2100 with driver, same size tires. A strong spec miata motor will have 118 - 120 HP. Their advantages are, lower CG, 50/50 weight distribution, wider track, better suspension & brakes and much better aero by far. At PPIR we hit the apex at T-2 at 115 MPH and continue to climb right up to T3 in a SM. In the TR4 it's more like 105 and not a lot after that up to T3. That's a lot to give up every lap. One neat little trick the SM guys do is actually hook thier wheels in the inside of the curbing which works really neat when it works, when you get it wrong it generally goes really wrong. It would be interesting to see what they would be like if modified to the level some of our cars are. Great cars though, I'm a big fan. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: billb at bnj.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 6, 2011 1:58:59 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED Spec Miatas are very much a momentum car. B Lift at the wrong place on the track and that lap is done. B Need to draft where ever possible, which is why you often see them in a train and bump drafting. B Also makes for big crashes, since when one gets out of whack there are usually others close by. They are a forgiving car and often when getting in trouble on the track just stand on the go pedal and it can be saved. If you want a car about the size of a Miata and performance like a monster miata, go for a Honda S2000. B 240 HP out of the box for the 2 liter engine and 9000 redline. B Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Bill Babcock To: RACER BUD Cc: 'FoT Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:25:47 -0700 Clearly Chris has never driven one of the Monster Miatas. ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4dc45331231fa2d33e9st04duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From gaf3 at charter.net Fri May 6 17:31:02 2011 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 19:31:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <004801cc0c2d$983bf6b0$c8b3e410$@rogers.com> References: <20110506.155859.29704.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> <9516AED4-F462-452E-B1D6-0DE61788F8A9@bnj.com> <004801cc0c2d$983bf6b0$c8b3e410$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DC484B6.2030404@charter.net> I have a barn full of Triumphs and I had a weak moment last year and picked up a 2000 Miata with only 50K on the clock. Nice car, some scuttle shake, everything works even the A/C. I towed it behind my motorhome last summer for 5K Miles on on to the Oregon Coast. Not the character or the Triumphs but again I don't have a list on the windshield of things to be done. Fun Car, reasonably priced. I like it!! Glenn On 5/6/2011 4:38 PM, macdonaldp wrote: > > I sold my TR8s and got a 2001 BMW Z3 with the 3.0 engine and 5 speed. This > car has the right combination in my book, retro look, torque, goes like > stink, handles and still has all the creature comforts...and works. > > Paul From igofaster at att.net Sat May 7 14:44:12 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 13:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] member nomination Message-ID: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. I have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He recently purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. I would like to nominate Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... Bobby Whitehead ... wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of today... From budscars at comcast.net Sat May 7 15:13:39 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 14:13:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] member nomination References: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I 2nd the nomination....welcome Jeff!.. Racer Bud...Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 1:44 PM Subject: [Fot] member nomination > I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. > > I have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He > recently > purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. > > I would like to nominate > > Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network > > jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... > > Bobby Whitehead ... > > wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of > today... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Sat May 7 15:27:27 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 17:27:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] member nomination Message-ID: <12c62a.1def265.3af7133f@aol.com> I second the nomination. Sam Clark In a message dated 5/7/2011 4:11:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, igofaster at att.net writes: I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. I have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He recently purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. I would like to nominate Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... Bobby Whitehead ... wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of today... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat May 7 15:30:40 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 16:30:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend Message-ID: <20110507213048.EF046187650@autox.team.net> Anyone besides me going to Road America May 13-15? Tony Drews From jerrybarr at charter.net Sat May 7 15:58:06 2011 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 16:58:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] member nomination In-Reply-To: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6337ACF1-781A-4604-88E1-7C755DE180BA@charter.net> Mustangs and GT6s What more can you ask?I second Jeff. On May 7, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. > > I have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He recently > purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. > > I would like to nominate > > Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network > > jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... > > Bobby Whitehead ... > > wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of > today... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Sat May 7 17:21:31 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 19:21:31 EDT Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend Message-ID: <12ebd4.5dc3bdf2.3af72dfb@aol.com> I wish. My wife and I were coming back from the 6-PACK trials that were held in Door County, WI a couple years back and met up with Larry Young, a member of our Club who was racing his TR3, and we were impressed with the track and the competition. Just can't give up the vacation time and the money. Good luck to all that can attend. Sam Green Country Triumphs (Tulsa) In a message dated 5/7/2011 4:52:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tony at tonydrews.com writes: Anyone besides me going to Road America May 13-15? Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From andre at gt6.ca Wed May 4 15:54:26 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 17:54:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Your ridiculously cool Triumph GT6 wallpaper is here Message-ID: Well I'll rank this in the pretty freaking cool section in life. http://jalopnik.com/5798686/ A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From sm1ski at dslextreme.com Fri May 6 09:44:14 2011 From: sm1ski at dslextreme.com (michael a kowalski) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 09:44:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 front uprights-race use References: <1948d.3f360b6.3af2079a@aol.com> Message-ID: <8042D273135642899989679B41DFE2E2@sarako> I just contacted Canley via email to ask about strength tests and was given the impression that they were available---I did not ask the specific question because I have worries from a message like the one below. mike kowalski 1500 FP spit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 front uprights-race use > They have been severely slated on the Brit car forums as poorly > engineered. They don't seem to be available last I checked, perhaps going > thru a > rethink? Dave Pearson is a top bloke so it will be right in the end. > > > In a message dated 5/3/2011 7:34:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > herald948 at aol.com writes: > > What about the "Trunnionless Front Suspension Kit" offered by Canley > Classics > in the UK: > > > http://www.canleyclassics.com/?xhtml=xhtml/product/catkit1.html&xsl=product. > x > sl > > NFI, just aware that it's out there.... > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Enquiries Road & Track > > I am researching alternatives for the front suspension uprights & > wishbones > > on my wifes Gt6 Triumph racer.... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sm1ski at dslextreme.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Sat May 7 18:32:59 2011 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 17:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend In-Reply-To: <20110507213048.EF046187650@autox.team.net> References: <20110507213048.EF046187650@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <246215.40775.qm@web125704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I plan on being there so I might as well start asking for a spare crew pass. Ernie ________________________________ From: Tony Drews To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 4:30:40 PM Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend Anyone besides me going to Road America May 13-15? Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From igofaster at att.net Sat May 7 19:08:22 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 18:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... In-Reply-To: <6337ACF1-781A-4604-88E1-7C755DE180BA@charter.net> References: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6337ACF1-781A-4604-88E1-7C755DE180BA@charter.net> Message-ID: <691202.1094.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> hey I have a new Mustang too and I didn't get barred .. my first was in 1976, a 1973 Mustang Grande' with a 351 Cleveland. Green with a sweet white vinyl top. Auto trans, I remember I put an Edelbrock manifold and a 4 barrel Holley with a Mach 1 hood.... 'course I was wearing some David Bowie blue shiny vinyl zip up jacket and my hair was down to my shoulders.... ahhhh.... back when I had hair... Bobby Whitehead I grew it all out and then it was gone.... ________________________________ From: Jerry Barr To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 4:58:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] member nomination Mustangs and GT6s What more can you ask?I second Jeff. On May 7, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. > > I have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He recently > purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. > > I would like to nominate > > Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network > > jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... > > Bobby Whitehead ... > > wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of > today... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat May 7 19:26:50 2011 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 18:26:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4A engine on Craigslist Message-ID: <4DC5F15A.6090701@greenheart.com> No interested here... but forwarding to the group in case someone's looking for an engine, or a head, etc. --Justin -------- Original Message -------- Web 1 new result for TR4A site:craigslist.org Triumph TR4 TR4A Engine Triumph TR4 TR4A Engine $100Seattle. Date 20110507 226PM PDT Reply to salerxujq2368323812craigslistorgErrors when replying to ads ... seattle.craigslist.org/see/pts/2368323812.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ti From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat May 7 19:30:06 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 21:30:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... In-Reply-To: <691202.1094.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <6337ACF1-781A-4604-88E1-7C755DE180BA@charter.net>, <691202.1094.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hmmmm, I had much more hair in the 70's prior to owning a Triumph (4 wheel anyhow) also. I see a correlation here. Triumphs make your hair less pronounced :) Marty > Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 18:08:22 -0700 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: jerrybarr at charter.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... > > hey I have a new Mustang too and I didn't get barred .. > > my first was in 1976, a 1973 Mustang Grande' with a 351 Cleveland. Green with a > sweet white vinyl top. Auto trans, I remember I put an Edelbrock manifold and a > 4 barrel Holley with a Mach 1 hood.... 'course I was wearing some David Bowie > blue shiny vinyl zip up jacket and my hair was down to my shoulders.... > ahhhh.... back when I had hair... > > Bobby Whitehead > > I grew it all out and then it was gone.... > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Jerry Barr > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 4:58:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] member nomination > > Mustangs and GT6s What more can you ask?I second Jeff. > On May 7, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > > I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. > > > > I have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He recently > > purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. > > > > I would like to nominate > > > > Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network > > > > jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... > > > > Bobby Whitehead ... > > > > wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of > > today... > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sat May 7 20:02:45 2011 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 19:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... In-Reply-To: References: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <6337ACF1-781A-4604-88E1-7C755DE180BA@charter.net>, <691202.1094.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <372973.87841.qm@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I still have a full head of hair, but it definitely is much more grey. ----- Original Message ---- From: marty sukey To: igofaster at att.net; jerrybarr at charter.net Cc: FOT Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 9:30:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... Hmmmm, I had much more hair in the 70's prior to owning a Triumph (4 wheel anyhow) also. I see a correlation here. Triumphs make your hair less pronounced :) Marty > Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 18:08:22 -0700 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: jerrybarr at charter.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... > > hey I have a new Mustang too and I didn't get barred .. > > my first was in 1976, a 1973 Mustang Grande' with a 351 Cleveland. Green with a > sweet white vinyl top. Auto trans, I remember I put an Edelbrock manifold and a > 4 barrel Holley with a Mach 1 hood.... 'course I was wearing some David Bowie > blue shiny vinyl zip up jacket and my hair was down to my shoulders.... > ahhhh.... back when I had hair... > > Bobby Whitehead > > I grew it all out and then it was gone.... > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Jerry Barr > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 4:58:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] member nomination > > Mustangs and GT6s What more can you ask?I second Jeff. > On May 7, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > > I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. > > > > I have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He recently > > purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. > > > > I would like to nominate > > > > Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network > > > > jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... > > > > Bobby Whitehead ... > > > > wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of > > today... > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From jkhagen at charter.net Sat May 7 20:50:25 2011 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 22:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend Message-ID: <6f78f346.2d5d7.12fcd835116.Webtop.48@charter.net> Tony-I'll be pre-viewing '62 Tr-4 last raced 1977 BIR SCCA. Dyno went well-but Test and tune day 5/2 at BIR got snowed out! So we'll just go with it. John Hagen On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Anyone besides me going to Road America May 13-15? > > Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun May 8 06:45:05 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 08 May 2011 08:45:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend In-Reply-To: <6f78f346.2d5d7.12fcd835116.Webtop.48@charter.net> References: <6f78f346.2d5d7.12fcd835116.Webtop.48@charter.net> Message-ID: <8CDDB94E4251337-900-47BD1@Webmail-d108.sysops.aol.com> good luck John. let us know how it goes. some of us will be in MO that weekend.... -----Original Message----- From: jkhagen at charter.net To: Tony Drews Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 9:50 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend Tony-I'll be pre-viewing '62 Tr-4 last raced 1977 BIR SCCA. Dyno went well-but Test and tune day 5/2 at BIR got snowed out! So we'll just go with it. John Hagen On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Anyone besides me going to Road America May 13-15? > > Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jsnook at wcnet.org Sun May 8 06:51:03 2011 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 08:51:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Road America Message-ID: <27B538B6-C176-41F4-AC65-E85C5113338A@wcnet.org> I'll be at RA this coming weekend, racing my Alexis FFord and not my TR3. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sun May 8 08:38:25 2011 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 07:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 345 gear set Message-ID: <301281.83572.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - anyone have a 345 ring and pinion to sell? Happy Mothers Day Dennis From BillDentin at aol.com Sun May 8 10:01:45 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 12:01:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] Road America Message-ID: Alas...Bob Wismer and I will miss our first May ROAD AMERICA vintage event ever. We both have grand children graduating this week end. Bob has grandsons graduating from WISCONSIN and Moline High School. I'll be in Fargo, ans I have a grand daughter graduating from North Dakota State University. Pity! We hate to miss it...but Bill Dentinger From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sun May 8 10:09:05 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 11:09:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend In-Reply-To: <20110507213048.EF046187650@autox.team.net> References: <20110507213048.EF046187650@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000101cc0d9a$41b8b350$c52a19f0$@com> We won't have the car ready but I'm going to try and get over to visit. Can I still get in with my VSCDA membership? If not if there is another extra crew pass I could use it. No big deal though, would probably just come over on either Friday afternoon or Saturday afternoon. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 4:31 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend Anyone besides me going to Road America May 13-15? Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From BillDentin at aol.com Sun May 8 10:35:06 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 12:35:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumph related, sort of... Message-ID: <34e39.7b6ee2c9.3af8203a@aol.com> Amici... Yesterday, in race number three on the Kentucky Derby Day under card, #2 Golden Triumph went off as the second favorite at just under three to one odds (I had him figured to run fourth). He had a sluggish start that appeared to be related to electrical issues, but still rushed to a forward position early in the race. Then at the half way point he appeared to hit an invisible wall and fell back to 6th (a fuel flow issue?). He was tired but showing a stiff upper lip, he still came back to finish in a dead heat for 5th. Make no mistake. Golden Triumph horse is a true blue blood. He cost his owners $400,000 in 2009. His daddy is Bernardini, who charges a $75,000 stud fee, and who just serviced super mare Zenyatta. His Mom is a mare out of Mr. Prospector. These are all top shelf blood lines. This was only his second start, and I think he should be expected to improve. Bill (Damdinger) From BillDentin at aol.com Sun May 8 10:36:39 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 12:36:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend Message-ID: <34fdf.790b4018.3af82097@aol.com> In a message dated 05/08/2011 11:27:32 AM Central Daylight Time, timmurph at fastbytes.com writes: > We won't have the car ready but I'm going to try and get over to visit. > Can > I still get in with my VSCDA membership? If not if there is another extra > crew pass I could use it. No big deal though, would probably just come > over > on either Friday afternoon or Saturday afternoon. > Probably not. While they are the sanctioning body, this is a ROAD AMERICA event Bill Dentinger From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun May 8 16:49:42 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 16:49:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] How to take 10lbs off a tr4 with 6 screwss Message-ID: <20110508225206.6AEE5187899@autox.team.net> Just unscrew the bottoms of the front fenders. I think I had a family of ferrets in mine. Made a nest out of klag. jim g From chasgee at aol.com Mon May 9 09:52:05 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 11:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood Message-ID: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> Hello All, Years ago I bought a really lightweight fiberglass hood for my 1500 Spitifre from a guy in Kansas. Thanks to the "redesign" I did at Portland, I need to replace the one I have. Unfortunaltey, I can't find any of my old information regarding the supplier. Does anyone know this guy or have a good source for 1500 fiberglass hoods? Thanks, Chuck Gee From spitlist at cox.net Mon May 9 11:53:43 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 10:53:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas Message-ID: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> Folks, I am trying to gather as much information about this person as possible. He seems to be a very (should I say) PROUD individual who has said some pretty nasty things about certain well respected individuals that we all know. So I would like some first hand information from people who have dealt with him so that I can formulate a more complete picture of what this guy is all about. I am already aware of the dealings he has had with Steve Smith so anything else that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joe Curry From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon May 9 12:03:45 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 11:03:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> Message-ID: Didn't he go by GT Thomas and wrote some tuning articles for triumph? Especially noted the 6 to 3 exhaust header for TR and GT sixes. Or are you talking about the rugby guy? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 10:53 AM Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas > Folks, > > I am trying to gather as much information about this person as possible. > He > seems to be a very (should I say) PROUD individual who has said some > pretty > nasty things about certain well respected individuals that we all know. > So > I would like some first hand information from people who have dealt with > him > so that I can formulate a more complete picture of what this guy is all > about. I am already aware of the dealings he has had with Steve Smith so > anything else that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Curry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From jeffn at micro.com Mon May 9 13:45:24 2011 From: jeffn at micro.com (jeffn at micro.com) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 14:45:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... In-Reply-To: <372973.87841.qm@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <6337ACF1-781A-4604-88E1-7C755DE180BA@charter.net>, <691202.1094.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <372973.87841.qm@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <64963.64.73.123.177.1304970324.squirrel@www.micro.com> Bobby, Thanks for the nomination. I have all three covered mustangs, one triumph and plenty of hair. Jeff > I still have a full head of hair, but it definitely is much more grey. > ----- Original Message ---- > From: marty sukey > To: > igofaster at att.net; jerrybarr at charter.net > Cc: FOT > Sent: > Sat, May 7, 2011 9:30:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... > Hmmmm, I had much more hair in the 70's prior to owning a Triumph (4 > wheel > anyhow) also. I see a correlation here. Triumphs make your hair less > pronounced :) > > Marty > >> Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 18:08:22 -0700 >> From: > igofaster at att.net >> To: jerrybarr at charter.net >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> > Subject: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... >> >> hey I have a new Mustang > too and I didn't get barred .. >> >> my first was in 1976, a 1973 Mustang > Grande' with a 351 Cleveland. Green > with a >> sweet white vinyl top. Auto > trans, I remember I put an Edelbrock manifold > and a >> 4 barrel Holley with a > Mach 1 hood.... 'course I was wearing some David > Bowie >> blue shiny vinyl zip > up jacket and my hair was down to my shoulders.... >> ahhhh.... back when I had > hair... >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> >> I grew it all out and then it was gone.... >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Jerry Barr > >> To: Bobby Whitehead >> Cc: > Friends of Triumph >> Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 4:58:06 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Fot] member nomination >> >> Mustangs and GT6s What more can you > ask?I second Jeff. >> On May 7, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >> > > I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. >> > >> > I > have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He > recently >> > > purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. >> > >> > I > would like to nominate >> > >> > Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network >> > >> > > jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... >> > >> > Bobby Whitehead ... >> > >> > > wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of >> > > today... >> > _______________________________________________ >> > > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net >> > _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffn at micro.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon May 9 14:52:17 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 20:52:17 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Among the missing Message-ID: I have discovered that I have had the MSN e-mail address service blocked out on my computer. So, if you have sent me a message in the past couple weeks or even months and I did not reply, that was the reason. Hopefully all is correct now. From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Mon May 9 14:58:00 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 16:58:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood In-Reply-To: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <26985264-EA68-43DF-B442-33A4A550F013@aol.com> Chuck I have a steel one in good shape. Some dents but very little to no rust. I had looked into honeybourne in the uk and it seemed that for about $1500 total i could get one of theirs shipped to me. Other than that I don't know of any other place. Chris On May 9, 2011, at 11:52 AM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > Hello All, > > Years ago I bought a really lightweight fiberglass hood for my 1500 Spitifre > from a guy in Kansas. Thanks to the "redesign" I did at Portland, I need to > replace the one I have. Unfortunaltey, I can't find any of my old information > regarding the supplier. Does anyone know this guy or have a good source for > 1500 fiberglass hoods? > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From billb at bnj.com Mon May 9 17:24:11 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 16:24:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> Message-ID: <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> You mean the gay rugby player? On May 9, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > Folks, > > I am trying to gather as much information about this person as possible. He > seems to be a very (should I say) PROUD individual who has said some pretty > nasty things about certain well respected individuals that we all know. So > I would like some first hand information from people who have dealt with him > so that I can formulate a more complete picture of what this guy is all > about. I am already aware of the dealings he has had with Steve Smith so > anything else that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Curry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spitlist at cox.net Mon May 9 18:44:18 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 17:44:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> Message-ID: When I googled him, I ran across that as well. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be the same person. If it was, it would be very easy to dismiss him. :-) Joe _____ From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:24 PM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas You mean the gay rugby player? On May 9, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Joe Curry wrote: Folks, I am trying to gather as much information about this person as possible. He seems to be a very (should I say) PROUD individual who has said some pretty nasty things about certain well respected individuals that we all know. So I would like some first hand information from people who have dealt with him so that I can formulate a more complete picture of what this guy is all about. I am already aware of the dealings he has had with Steve Smith so anything else that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joe Curry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From john at race-dogs.com Mon May 9 19:12:22 2011 From: john at race-dogs.com (John Wilkins) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 18:12:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood In-Reply-To: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000301cc0eaf$51048c60$f30da520$@com> http://www.performancefiberglass.com/spitfire.htm Maybe this guy- JW -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of chasgee at aol.com Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 8:52 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood Hello All, Years ago I bought a really lightweight fiberglass hood for my 1500 Spitifre from a guy in Kansas. Thanks to the "redesign" I did at Portland, I need to replace the one I have. Unfortunaltey, I can't find any of my old information regarding the supplier. Does anyone know this guy or have a good source for 1500 fiberglass hoods? Thanks, Chuck Gee _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at race-dogs.com -- This message was scanned WACS, Inc. Spam Filters is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=5E4B527FF8.77A29 From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon May 9 20:39:13 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 19:39:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Message-ID: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net> Just thought I'd check again. Has anyone received a confirmation of entry to this event this year? From sjanzen at me.com Mon May 9 20:41:31 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 22:41:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> Message-ID: <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com> hey, guys, no homophobic remarks please. I didn't think this was the forum for politics, personal prejudices or religion, other than any of those related to worship of Our Lady of Internal Combustion. On May 9, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Joe Curry wrote: When I googled him, I ran across that as well. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be the same person. If it was, it would be very easy to dismiss him. :-) Joe _____ From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:24 PM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas You mean the gay rugby player? On May 9, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Joe Curry wrote: Folks, I am trying to gather as much information about this person as possible. He seems to be a very (should I say) PROUD individual who has said some pretty nasty things about certain well respected individuals that we all know. So I would like some first hand information from people who have dealt with him so that I can formulate a more complete picture of what this guy is all about. I am already aware of the dealings he has had with Steve Smith so anything else that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joe Curry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 9 21:31:02 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 23:31:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net> References: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CDDCD9D2547719-21A0-747@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> Jim, I am hoping that one of the Kastner Cup committee will pop up and answer this question. I am aware that you are on Paul Smock's list. He and John indicated that they had calls into HMSA to try to find out who all is registered. We plan to wait until we are sure we are going to have a car in tow to California. It's looking pretty good based on the noise I heard today. Looking forward to it. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Jim Norlin To: FOT Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 9:39 pm Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Just thought I'd check again. Has anyone received a confirmation of entry to this event this year? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 9 22:09:22 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 23:09:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net> References: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20110510040937.C59BF18766A@autox.team.net> I've received nothing. They appear to not have cashed the check I sent either. So, the whole thing is either lost in the mail and I'll find out about that after 4 days of towing, or they're just being quiet about the whole thing. Kinda frustrating. The buttonwillow event, on the other hand gave me almost instant feedback that my registration went through. I kinda expected to see a few messages regarding this event as we're getting pretty close. Tony Drews At 09:39 PM 5/9/2011, Jim Norlin wrote: > Just thought I'd check again. Has anyone received a > confirmation of entry to this event this year? >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Mon May 9 22:15:46 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 21:15:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <20110510040937.C59BF18766A@autox.team.net> References: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net> <20110510040937.C59BF18766A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I will check with HMSA as soon as Cris returns my calls and will see that he sends out confirmations to all that have registered so far. On May 9, 2011 9:09 PM, "Tony Drews" wrote: > I've received nothing. They appear to not have cashed the check I > sent either. So, the whole thing is either lost in the mail and I'll > find out about that after 4 days of towing, or they're just being > quiet about the whole thing. Kinda frustrating. > > The buttonwillow event, on the other hand gave me almost instant > feedback that my registration went through. > > I kinda expected to see a few messages regarding this event as we're > getting pretty close. > > Tony Drews > > At 09:39 PM 5/9/2011, Jim Norlin wrote: >> Just thought I'd check again. Has anyone received a >> confirmation of entry to this event this year? >>_______________________________________________ >>fot at autox.team.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From chasgee at aol.com Mon May 9 22:23:18 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 00:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood In-Reply-To: <20DC70733C584DB3ACDA3ECEB30990E4@sarako> References: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> <26985264-EA68-43DF-B442-33A4A550F013@aol.com> <20DC70733C584DB3ACDA3ECEB30990E4@sarako> Message-ID: <8CDDCE11F8C3AAB-1B64-C9AE@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> Thanks guys, but I have a steel one. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: michael a kowalski To: Christopher Bock ; chasgee Cc: FOT Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 7:05 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood if you are considering steel alternatives like the last message, I have one ith flares that is heavy like steel. but you can have it. mike kowalski 500 FP spit ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Christopher Bock" o: c: ent: Monday, May 09, 2011 2:58 PM ubject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood Chuck I have a steel one in good shape. Some dents but very little to no rust. I had looked into honeybourne in the uk and it seemed that for about $1500 total i could get one of theirs shipped to me. Other than that I don't know of any other place. Chris On May 9, 2011, at 11:52 AM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > Hello All, > > Years ago I bought a really lightweight fiberglass hood for my 1500 Spitifre > from a guy in Kansas. Thanks to the "redesign" I did at Portland, I need to > replace the one I have. Unfortunaltey, I can't find any of my old information > regarding the supplier. Does anyone know this guy or have a good source for > 1500 fiberglass hoods? > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sm1ski at dslextreme.com From chasgee at aol.com Mon May 9 22:26:34 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 00:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood In-Reply-To: <000301cc0eaf$51048c60$f30da520$@com> References: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> <000301cc0eaf$51048c60$f30da520$@com> Message-ID: <8CDDCE1944CA970-1B64-CAF2@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> Thanks John. That looks like the guy I bought from before. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: John Wilkins To: chasgee ; FOT Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 6:12 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood http://www.performancefiberglass.com/spitfire.htm Maybe this guy- JW -----Original Message----- rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On ehalf Of chasgee at aol.com ent: Monday, May 09, 2011 8:52 AM o: FOT at autox.team.net ubject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood Hello All, Years ago I bought a really lightweight fiberglass hood for my 1500 Spitifre rom a guy in Kansas. Thanks to the "redesign" I did at Portland, I need to eplace the one I have. Unfortunaltey, I can't find any of my old nformation egarding the supplier. Does anyone know this guy or have a good source for 500 fiberglass hoods? Thanks, Chuck Gee ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at race-dogs.com -- his message was scanned WACS, Inc. Spam Filters is believed to be clean. lick here to report this message as spam. ttp://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=5E4B527FF8.77A29 From billb at bnj.com Tue May 10 00:21:41 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 23:21:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com> References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com> Message-ID: <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com> What exactly is homophobic about referring to an openly gay rugby player as a gay rugby player? If you took the time to do a little research instead of leaping to judge you'd find ample reason to dismiss that particular person's comments that have nothing to do with homophobia, as Joe wrote--he's an outrageous character. There's always someone ready to tell other people what they should or should not say. I find that far more offensive than any presumed prejudice. On May 9, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > hey, guys, no homophobic remarks please. I didn't think this was the forum for politics, personal prejudices or religion, other than any of those related to worship of Our Lady of Internal Combustion. > > > > On May 9, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > > When I googled him, I ran across that as well. Unfortunately, it doesn't > appear to be the same person. If it was, it would be very easy to dismiss > him. :-) > > > > Joe > > > > _____ > > From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] > Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:24 PM > To: Joe Curry > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas > > > > You mean the gay rugby player? > > On May 9, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > > > > > > Folks, > > I am trying to gather as much information about this person as possible. He > seems to be a very (should I say) PROUD individual who has said some pretty > nasty things about certain well respected individuals that we all know. So > I would like some first hand information from people who have dealt with him > so that I can formulate a more complete picture of what this guy is all > about. I am already aware of the dealings he has had with Steve Smith so > anything else that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Curry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > > > > > Bill Babcock > > billb at bnj.com > > 503.936.7660 > > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue May 10 07:32:58 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 09:32:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com> References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com> <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com> Message-ID: I agree with you that excessive political correctness can be as narrow minded as the other extreme. If I came to the wrong conclusion, I apologize for that. I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was appropriate, especially in the context of the prior emails. Near as I can tell, Gareth Thomas (the rugby player) was an outrageously good rugby player for reasons having nothing to do with being gay, long before he came out. The only reason his being gay is news is that there are so few professional athletes willing to be public about it in an environment that is typically anti-gay. So, would you routinely describe Kobe Bryant as that straight basketball player? Lewis Hamilton as that straight F1 driver? Tom Brady as that straight NFL quarterback? OK, I'm sticking to Triumph subjects in this forum from now on . . . anybody else going to be at Summit Point for the Jefferson 500 this weekend? On May 10, 2011, at 2:21 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: What exactly is homophobic about referring to an openly gay rugby player as a gay rugby player? If you took the time to do a little research instead of leaping to judge you'd find ample reason to dismiss that particular person's comments that have nothing to do with homophobia, as Joe wrote--he's an outrageous character. There's always someone ready to tell other people what they should or should not say. I find that far more offensive than any presumed prejudice. On May 9, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > hey, guys, no homophobic remarks please. I didn't think this was the forum for politics, personal prejudices or religion, other than any of those related to worship of Our Lady of Internal Combustion. > > > > On May 9, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > > When I googled him, I ran across that as well. Unfortunately, it doesn't > appear to be the same person. If it was, it would be very easy to dismiss > him. :-) > > > > Joe > > > > _____ > > From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] > Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:24 PM > To: Joe Curry > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas > > > > You mean the gay rugby player? > > On May 9, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > > > > > > Folks, > > I am trying to gather as much information about this person as possible. He > seems to be a very (should I say) PROUD individual who has said some pretty > nasty things about certain well respected individuals that we all know. So > I would like some first hand information from people who have dealt with him > so that I can formulate a more complete picture of what this guy is all > about. I am already aware of the dealings he has had with Steve Smith so > anything else that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Curry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > > > > > Bill Babcock > > billb at bnj.com > > 503.936.7660 > > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From BillDentin at aol.com Tue May 10 08:12:53 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 10:12:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas Message-ID: <27b0b6.5efd3da1.3afaa1e5@aol.com> In a message dated 05/10/2011 1:22:39 AM Central Daylight Time, billb at bnj.com writes: > What exactly is homophobic about referring to an openly gay rugby player > as a > gay rugby player? Right. But you said 'the gay rugby player' and not 'a gay rugby player'. I took it to mean 'the gay rugby player named Gareth Thomas' as opposed to those gay rugby players not name Gareth Thomas. Hence, I was not offended. Bill (Damdinger) However, if the 'Triumph related' Gareth Thomas is gay, I'd appreciate getting a heads up off list. I do not consider myself homophobic, but I am still cautious. From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue May 10 08:50:40 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 10:50:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Free case of VR1 Racing Synthetic Motor Oil, after mail in rebate Message-ID: <380-220115210145040245@M2W108.mail2web.com> Hi gang! I just came across this and wanted to share: http://www.valvolinevr1racingoil.com/ Rebate Details: MUST DOWNLOAD AND USE OFFICIAL OFFER FORM b THIS DETAILS PAGE CANNOT BE SUBMITTED IN ORDER TO RECEIVE A REBATE. PLEASE READ THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS THOROUGHLY. 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Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From gasket.works at gte.net Tue May 10 10:27:56 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:27:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net><20110510040937.C59BF18766A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2132491213-1305044877-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-249211523-@bda712.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I just spoke to cris @ hmsa. He says acceptance letters letters will go out this week. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: John Nikas Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 21:15:46 To: Tony Drews Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup I will check with HMSA as soon as Cris returns my calls and will see that he sends out confirmations to all that have registered so far. On May 9, 2011 9:09 PM, "Tony Drews" wrote: > I've received nothing. They appear to not have cashed the check I > sent either. So, the whole thing is either lost in the mail and I'll > find out about that after 4 days of towing, or they're just being > quiet about the whole thing. Kinda frustrating. > > The buttonwillow event, on the other hand gave me almost instant > feedback that my registration went through. > > I kinda expected to see a few messages regarding this event as we're > getting pretty close. > > Tony Drews > > At 09:39 PM 5/9/2011, Jim Norlin wrote: >> Just thought I'd check again. Has anyone received a >> confirmation of entry to this event this year? >>_______________________________________________ >>fot at autox.team.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net From billb at bnj.com Tue May 10 11:41:27 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 10:41:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net> <20110510040937.C59BF18766A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I guess I better get rolling on registering, though I was thinking of holding off until after next week. I'm probably going to have knee surgery. I'd like to see how that's going before I commit to my summer schedule. As it stands I'm almost certainly going to miss the SOVERN spring sprints since I'm pencilled in for getting stabbed with arrows (arthroscopic) on Friday once the doc looks at the MRI I had yesterday. Getting old isn't for sissies. On May 9, 2011, at 9:15 PM, John Nikas wrote: > I will check with HMSA as soon as Cris returns my calls and will see that he > sends out confirmations to all that have registered so far. > On May 9, 2011 9:09 PM, "Tony Drews" wrote: >> I've received nothing. They appear to not have cashed the check I >> sent either. So, the whole thing is either lost in the mail and I'll >> find out about that after 4 days of towing, or they're just being >> quiet about the whole thing. Kinda frustrating. >> >> The buttonwillow event, on the other hand gave me almost instant >> feedback that my registration went through. >> >> I kinda expected to see a few messages regarding this event as we're >> getting pretty close. >> >> Tony Drews From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue May 10 12:37:32 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 11:37:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com> <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000601cc0f41$568d8d70$03a8a850$@rr.com> > I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was appropriate, IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay rugby players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the person you are referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot tall rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" with being that tall. -- Randall From jerrybarr at charter.net Tue May 10 15:44:26 2011 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:44:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <000601cc0f41$568d8d70$03a8a850$@rr.com> References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com> <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com> <000601cc0f41$568d8d70$03a8a850$@rr.com> Message-ID: ARE WE DONE NOW? On May 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Randall wrote: >> I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was appropriate, > > IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay rugby > players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the person you are > referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot tall > rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" with being > that tall. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From billdentin at aol.com Tue May 10 16:32:06 2011 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 18:32:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] I'm not done yet.... Message-ID: <8CDDD7939F7E3A8-11EC-15A06@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> Amici... Ask not, "Who is Gareth Thomas! Ask rather..."Who is John Galt?" Bill (Damdinger) From chasgee at aol.com Tue May 10 17:07:02 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 19:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] I'm not done yet.... In-Reply-To: <8CDDD7939F7E3A8-11EC-15A06@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDDD7939F7E3A8-11EC-15A06@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDDD7E1B661A23-2148-FCF4@webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com> I believe that would be Prometheus, without all of the suffering.... -----Original Message----- From: billdentin To: fot Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 3:55 pm Subject: [Fot] I'm not done yet.... Amici... Ask not, "Who is Gareth Thomas! Ask rather..."Who is John Galt?" Bill (Damdinger) ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From kaskas at cox.net Tue May 10 17:07:43 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 23:07:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista>, <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com>, , <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com>, <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com>, , <000601cc0f41$568d8d70$03a8a850$@rr.com>, Message-ID: I'm the only guy he malignes, so I cannot comment . (well, I CAN but I will not) > From: jerrybarr at charter.net > Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:44:26 -0500 > To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas > > ARE WE DONE NOW? > On May 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Randall wrote: > > >> I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was appropriate, > > > > IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay rugby > > players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the person you > are > > referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot tall > > rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" with being > > that tall. > > > > -- Randall > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 10 17:31:05 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 17:31:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] back to the point... who is Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <8CDDD7939F7E3A8-11EC-15A06@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20110510233833.216DC187651@autox.team.net> All the other stuff aside, I have read a little bit about Gareth Thomas but can't find any of the parts he supposedly produces. I did however find a blog site by Barry Scott who seems to have some uncomplimentary things to say about some unnamed person or persons. The blog is more of a rant than anything while at the same time praising G.T. for all the great things he has done for Triumph owners jim g http://crazyspitfire.blogspot.com/2008/11/latest-tuning-innovations-that-act ually.html -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of billdentin at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 4:32 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] I'm not done yet.... Amici... Ask not, "Who is Gareth Thomas! Ask rather..."Who is John Galt?" Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Tue May 10 17:41:50 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 19:41:50 EDT Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas Message-ID: <152f8.1a44741b.3afb273e@aol.com> In my opinion, it was done before it started. Sam Clark In a message dated 5/10/2011 6:28:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: I'm the only guy he malignes, so I cannot comment . (well, I CAN but I will not) > From: jerrybarr at charter.net > Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:44:26 -0500 > To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas > > ARE WE DONE NOW? > On May 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Randall wrote: > > >> I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was appropriate, > > > > IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay rugby > > players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the person you > are > > referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot tall > > rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" with being > > that tall. > > > > -- Randall > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue May 10 18:38:03 2011 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 17:38:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <152f8.1a44741b.3afb273e@aol.com> References: <152f8.1a44741b.3afb273e@aol.com> Message-ID: We still talking about Miata drivers? On May 10, 2011, at 4:41 PM, TRDOCTOR at aol.com wrote: > In my opinion, it was done before it started. > > Sam Clark > > > In a message dated 5/10/2011 6:28:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > kaskas at cox.net writes: > > I'm the only guy he malignes, so I cannot comment . (well, I CAN but I > will > not) > >> From: jerrybarr at charter.net >> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:44:26 -0500 >> To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas >> >> ARE WE DONE NOW? >> On May 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Randall wrote: >> >>>> I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was > appropriate, >>> >>> IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay > rugby >>> players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the person > you >> are >>> referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot > tall >>> rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" with > being >>> that tall. >>> >>> -- Randall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 10 18:42:05 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 17:42:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista>, <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com>, , <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com>, <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com>, , <000601cc0f41$568d8d70$03a8a850$@rr.com>, Message-ID: <250BE22F462A4764AA2CA0689414AF8A@Vista> I hate to burst your bubble, Kas, but he also had some rather harsh words about John Kipping among others. It appears that anybody whose name comes up as knowing anything about Triumphs is subject to his putdowns in an effort to establish himself as the ultimate Triumph Expert! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 4:08 PM To: jerrybarr at charter.net; tr3driver at ca.rr.com Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas I'm the only guy he malignes, so I cannot comment . (well, I CAN but I will not) From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 10 18:48:32 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 17:48:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] back to the point... who is Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <20110510233833.216DC187651@autox.team.net> References: <8CDDD7939F7E3A8-11EC-15A06@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> <20110510233833.216DC187651@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2F9D9B4876C94EE7961FD8C809C53AE2@Vista> Maybe Barry Scott is a pseudonym that Gareth Thomas writes under! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Gray Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 4:31 PM To: billdentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] back to the point... who is Gareth Thomas All the other stuff aside, I have read a little bit about Gareth Thomas but can't find any of the parts he supposedly produces. I did however find a blog site by Barry Scott who seems to have some uncomplimentary things to say about some unnamed person or persons. The blog is more of a rant than anything while at the same time praising G.T. for all the great things he has done for Triumph owners jim g http://crazyspitfire.blogspot.com/2008/11/latest-tuning-innovations-that-act ually.html -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of billdentin at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 4:32 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] I'm not done yet.... Amici... Ask not, "Who is Gareth Thomas! Ask rather..."Who is John Galt?" Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tr4.tony at virgin.net Wed May 11 02:22:03 2011 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 09:22:03 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com> <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com> <000601cc0f41$568d8d70$03a8a850$@rr.com> Message-ID: <76A32F02-8FF5-4E64-A9E7-F27F27471359@virgin.net> Never heard of him ..... Says it all Tony Sent from My iPhone On 11 May 2011, at 00:07, Kas Kastner wrote: > I'm the only guy he malignes, so I cannot comment . (well, I CAN but I will > not) > >> From: jerrybarr at charter.net >> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:44:26 -0500 >> To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas >> >> ARE WE DONE NOW? >> On May 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Randall wrote: >> >>>> I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was appropriate, >>> >>> IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay rugby >>> players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the person you >> are >>> referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot tall >>> rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" with being >>> that tall. >>> >>> -- Randall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From walt at hot-tr6.com Wed May 11 08:53:19 2011 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 08:53:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 red 13 blade engine fans from Moss Motors - Problems Message-ID: <001a01cc0feb$2c713690$8553a3b0$@hot-tr6.com> Moss Motors is making a replacement 13 blade engine fan for TR6s. Part number 835-270. I have gone through two of these on my vintage TR6 racecar. They last anywhere from two to 4 days before they grenade taking out water hoses and trying to exit through the hood of my car. I am not overtorquing at install. My previous original equipment fans have lasted for years. Is anyone else having problems with these new fans from Moss? Thanks Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TR4 Tony Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:22 AM To: Kas Kastner Cc: ; fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas Never heard of him ..... Says it all Tony Sent from My iPhone On 11 May 2011, at 00:07, Kas Kastner wrote: > I'm the only guy he malignes, so I cannot comment . (well, I CAN but I > will > not) > >> From: jerrybarr at charter.net >> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:44:26 -0500 >> To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas >> >> ARE WE DONE NOW? >> On May 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Randall wrote: >> >>>> I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was >>>> appropriate, >>> >>> IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay >>> rugby players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the >>> person you >> are >>> referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot >>> tall rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" >>> with being that tall. >>> >>> -- Randall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed May 11 14:59:14 2011 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 16:59:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam Message-ID: Hello to all, I am looking for a GT-6 cam for racing, does anyone have any input on where to get one or who carries them,,thanks rob deanes TR Racer From igofaster at att.net Wed May 11 15:08:18 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 14:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: References: <152f8.1a44741b.3afb273e@aol.com> Message-ID: <923242.33540.qm@web180815.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> only gay Miata drivers.... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Steven Belfer To: "TRDOCTOR at aol.com" Cc: "tr3driver at ca.rr.com" ; "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 7:38:03 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas We still talking about Miata drivers? From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed May 11 15:52:05 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 14:52:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam References: Message-ID: Try http://www.deltacam.com/index.php Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Deanes" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 1:59 PM Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam > Hello to all, I am looking for a GT-6 cam for racing, does anyone have any > input on where to get one or who carries them,,thanks > > > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed May 11 16:20:03 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 17:20:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Small world, Sam Halkias,Little 500 Message-ID: - just a bit of small town Triumph irony that made me feel big in racing - My racing career officially started and continues every April with an event that begins my yearly racing calender... and started me on a path of road racing go karts. Every April, a sleepy little town in central Indiana erupts with the sound of racing engines for a weekend of awesomeness. St.Joseph's College in Rensselaer Indiana hosts a "little 500" endurance race for both the current student body and an Alumni race. I have been a big supporter and sponsor of the race fielding "Friendly Ghost Racing" student Karts and racing myself in the Alumni race. I have not missed one in 21 years. It is a big event for my family and friends. From my own perspective, the race is quite like the real Indy 500. Hard to win, and a major racing accomplishment ultimate goal for any racer. I suppose similar to the, now famous Kastner Cup in our Triumph world. Anyway, I had my GT6 down there with me this year. I was going to race the "Little 500" on Saturday and my Triumph on Sunday, three hours away at Blackhawk Farms. A knowingly ambitious plan that turned out to be a weekend without Triumph racing due to massive rain on Saturday. So my big "Little 500" race was the only event for me. And that was fine anyway, because, as it turns out, I was so sore and tired from racing my go-kart, a parlay would have been a pipe dream. With my race car on the trailer, word spreads fast in a small town... soon a few of the town's racing legends were down at the local machine shop to check out my ride. Racing is pretty big in Rensselaer. And at the top of the heap is a fellow named Wedge Rafferty, an old time SCCA'er with legendary endurance racing and sports car history. I have known Wedge for over 20 years, he was a sponsor for my Go Kart teams and has great racing "know how." I bought my first trailer from him 20 years ago. In the coarse of bench racing chatter and B.S. with Wedge, someone who really understands the thrill of racing, I was talking about how great this past year has been for me racing the GT6, the coolness of FOT,meeting Kas Kastner, Racing the Kastner Cup. etc. When I mentioned that I was racing against these great Triumph guys....he instantly dropped the name Sam Halkias and continued to divulge that Sam worked on his pit crew fresh out of school when, Mr. EP Champ, was just a wee lad with a minimal interest in racing. I won major points with that group when I told Wedge that not only did I see Sam win the SCCA National Championship from Canada Corner at Elkhart Lake, I also raced against him at Heartland Park and enjoyed a few conversations with him at our last Kastner Cup. So yeah, Team Turtle, Wedge Rafferty...old small town college road racing hero's of mine, apparently helped Sam Halkias get some sort of introduction to racing? Wedge was delighted to hear that all of us somehow knew each other and the friendship and history made a neat conection of three generations of racing. >From Wedge Rafferty, to Sam Halkias, to me.... so, Small world eh Sam? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 11 16:24:21 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 18:24:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> Tilden Cams larry young appears to have the best approach to analyzing cams these days. He has done some remarkable things for our tractor engines. He is on the list..... -----Original Message----- From: Robert Deanes To: FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 3:59 pm Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam Hello to all, I am looking for a GT-6 cam for racing, does anyone have any input on where to get one or who carries them,,thanks rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 11 17:06:13 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 19:06:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Small world, Sam Halkias,Little 500 now LAGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDDE47287B4D9E-1084-1F483@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com> Sam Halkias is going to be with us at Laguna Seca in a few weeks. Something good always happens at the Kastner Cups. This will be no exception. Hardy Prentice will have his SCCA CHAMP car on display, as well. BTW, we have another great Kastner Cup poster available. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 5:20 pm Subject: [Fot] Small world, Sam Halkias,Little 500 - just a bit of small town Triumph irony that made me feel big in racing - My racing career officially started and continues every April with an event that begins my yearly racing calender... and started me on a path of road racing go karts. Every April, a sleepy little town in central Indiana erupts with the sound of racing engines for a weekend of awesomeness. St.Joseph's College in Rensselaer Indiana hosts a "little 500" endurance race for both the current student body and an Alumni race. I have been a big supporter and sponsor of the race fielding "Friendly Ghost Racing" student Karts and racing myself in the Alumni race. I have not missed one in 21 years. It is a big event for my family and friends. From my own perspective, the race is quite like the real Indy 500. Hard to win, and a major racing accomplishment ultimate goal for any racer. I suppose similar to the, now famous Kastner Cup in our Triumph world. Anyway, I had my GT6 down there with me this year. I was going to race the "Little 500" on Saturday and my Triumph on Sunday, three hours away at Blackhawk Farms. A knowingly ambitious plan that turned out to be a weekend without Triumph racing due to massive rain on Saturday. So my big "Little 500" race was the only event for me. And that was fine anyway, because, as it turns out, I was so sore and tired from racing my go-kart, a parlay would have been a pipe dream. With my race car on the trailer, word spreads fast in a small town... soon a few of the town's racing legends were down at the local machine shop to check out my ride. Racing is pretty big in Rensselaer. And at the top of the heap is a fellow named Wedge Rafferty, an old time SCCA'er with legendary endurance racing and sports car history. I have known Wedge for over 20 years, he was a sponsor for my Go Kart teams and has great racing "know how." I bought my first trailer from him 20 years ago. In the coarse of bench racing chatter and B.S. with Wedge, someone who really understands the thrill of racing, I was talking about how great this past year has been for me racing the GT6, the coolness of FOT,meeting Kas Kastner, Racing the Kastner Cup. etc. When I mentioned that I was racing against these great Triumph guys....he instantly dropped the name Sam Halkias and continued to divulge that Sam worked on his pit crew fresh out of school when, Mr. EP Champ, was just a wee lad with a minimal interest in racing. I won major points with that group when I told Wedge that not only did I see Sam win the SCCA National Championship from Canada Corner at Elkhart Lake, I also raced against him at Heartland Park and enjoyed a few conversations with him at our last Kastner Cup. So yeah, Team Turtle, Wedge Rafferty...old small town college road racing hero's of mine, apparently helped Sam Halkias get some sort of introduction to racing? Wedge was delighted to hear that all of us somehow knew each other and the friendship and history made a neat conection of three generations of racing. >From Wedge Rafferty, to Sam Halkias, to me.... so, Small world eh Sam? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed May 11 19:38:06 2011 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 21:38:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DCB39FE.5060507@cfl.rr.com> Ric Cline of GT6 fame will make you the best cam possible. He has raced and built Spits and GT6's from the beginning of time and continues to crank out services from his machine shop.. On 5/11/2011 4:59 PM, Robert Deanes wrote: > Hello to all, I am looking for a GT-6 cam for racing, does anyone have any > input on where to get one or who carries them,,thanks > > > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed May 11 20:22:17 2011 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 red 13 blade engine fans from Moss Motors - Problems In-Reply-To: <001a01cc0feb$2c713690$8553a3b0$@hot-tr6.com> Message-ID: <691694.91094.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Walt: Have you contacted Kelvin at Moss to let him know? Moss usually responds to feedback, both positive and negative, very well. They have always put a defective product on hold until the probelm is solved. -Ed- --- On Wed, 5/11/11, Walter Hollowell wrote: From: Walter Hollowell Subject: [Fot] TR6 red 13 blade engine fans from Moss Motors - Problems To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 9:53 AM Moss Motors is making a replacement 13 blade engine fan for TR6s. Part number 835-270. I have gone through two of these on my vintage TR6 racecar. They last anywhere from two to 4 days before they grenade taking out water hoses and trying to exit through the hood of my car. I am not overtorquing at install. My previous original equipment fans have lasted for years. Is anyone else having problems with these new fans from Moss? Thanks Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TR4 Tony Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:22 AM To: Kas Kastner Cc: ; fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas Never heard of him ..... Says it all Tony Sent from My iPhone On 11 May 2011, at 00:07, Kas Kastner wrote: > I'm the only guy he malignes, so I cannot comment . (well, I CAN but I > will > not) > >> From: jerrybarr at charter.net >> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:44:26 -0500 >> To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas >> >> ARE WE DONE NOW? >> On May 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Randall wrote: >> >>>> I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was >>>> appropriate, >>> >>> IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay >>> rugby players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the >>> person you >> are >>> referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot >>> tall rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" >>> with being that tall. >>> >>> -- Randall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Thu May 12 01:49:27 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:49:27 +1000 Subject: [Fot] gareth thomas Message-ID: Gareth was a well known UK triumph personality in the 80's and wrote a triumph tuning book , based mostly on his spitfire tuning/race experiences. i met him in the UK many years ago. I have been in touch with him recently, and have his email if anyone needs it. I believe his views were always controversial , but he seemed to be someone who thought "outside the box". we all know that works sometimes, but often not. He did a lot of work on the benefits of various exhaust designs, and i have a 6 cyl set based on his results, which i have had a lot of success with, over many years. Whilst his book referred to a lot of flow testing, no substantial data seems to have been ever published to support the claims. he kindly sent me some data recently, in response to a very specific question about flow values for a 2500 head. i have also seen a lot of his negative comments about other peoples tuning products. My + 30 years of TR experiences tell me the bullshit stops when the flag drops. The people who consistently are the front, usually have the best products under the hood. if i want advice, i head in that direction. Terry O'Beirne, Australia From cartravel at pobox.com Thu May 12 09:08:13 2011 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 10:08:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> Joe, Thanks for the plug, but I haven't done a six cylinder cam. I am still planning to do a street cam to "undetune" my TR250. I would like to profile some of the available cams, especially the TR5 cam. Does anyone have one to loan? Larry On 5/11/2011 5:24 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > Tilden Cams larry young appears to have the best approach to analyzing cams > these days. > > He has done some remarkable things for our tractor engines. > > He is on the list..... From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu May 12 10:04:20 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 09:04:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> Message-ID: <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. http://www.deltacam.com/ Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam > Joe, > Thanks for the plug, but I haven't done a six cylinder cam. I am still > planning to do a street cam to "undetune" my TR250. I would like to > profile some of the available cams, especially the TR5 cam. Does anyone > have one to loan? > Larry > > On 5/11/2011 5:24 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >> Tilden Cams larry young appears to have the best approach to >> analyzing cams >> these days. >> >> He has done some remarkable things for our tractor engines. >> >> He is on the list..... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From cartravel at pobox.com Thu May 12 13:04:59 2011 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 14:04:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> Message-ID: <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> I could not find specs for their cams at that website. I have started a table of 6 cylinder cam specs, similar to the one for TR3/4 at my website. The problem is that most companies don't list complete specs. Larry Young www.TildenTechnologies.com On 5/12/2011 11:04 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: > Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. > http://www.deltacam.com/ > Charly Mitchel From jason at multivintage.com Thu May 12 14:52:21 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 15:52:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> Message-ID: Isky Cams has some specs for 6 cyl Triumph cams on the website in their online catalog. http://www.iskycams.com/onlinecatalog.html I have several Isky Cams that came with my car and a Crane cam as well. Also, The extremely fast Zippy Racing GT6 uses a very old and well maintained Isky Cam. They call Mr. Iskenderian the CAMFATHER for a reason. For what its worth, that's two Championship winning GT6's, with long, long race histories in SCCA and Midwestern Council... after hundreds of GT6 race outings running up front, The Isky cams have remained in both engines rebuild after rebuild. Be advised... I am not an experienced engine builder, but have been rather fanatical when it comes to studying what has been successful in GT6 race cars. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Larry Young wrote: > I could not find specs for their cams at that website. I have started a > table of 6 cylinder cam specs, similar to the one for TR3/4 at my website. > The problem is that most companies don't list complete specs. > Larry Young > www.TildenTechnologies.com > > > On 5/12/2011 11:04 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: > >> Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. >> http://www.deltacam.com/ >> Charly Mitchel >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu May 12 15:28:13 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 14:28:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> Message-ID: <38102822E89344B983B2E0ECF8DE2E43@Charly> I have their cam specs book and can send it to you if you'd like. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "Charly Mitchel" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam >I could not find specs for their cams at that website. I have started a > table of 6 cylinder cam specs, similar to the one for TR3/4 at my > website. The problem is that most companies don't list complete specs. > Larry Young > www.TildenTechnologies.com > > On 5/12/2011 11:04 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: >> Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. >> http://www.deltacam.com/ >> Charly Mitchel From chasgee at aol.com Thu May 12 15:34:45 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com><4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly><4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> Message-ID: <8CDDF038BC344C5-1138-17B99@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> All, Based on the numbers in the Isky catalog, it looks like they are milder that the original Kastner S-9. The S-9 is quite a cam and produces really good power. I would not overlook it as an option. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: Larry Young Cc: fot Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 2:22 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam Isky Cams has some specs for 6 cyl Triumph cams on the website in their nline catalog. http://www.iskycams.com/onlinecatalog.html have several Isky Cams that came with my car and a Crane cam as ell. Also, The extremely fast Zippy Racing GT6 uses a very old and well aintained Isky Cam. They call Mr. Iskenderian the CAMFATHER for a reason. or what its worth, that's two Championship winning GT6's, with long, ong race histories in SCCA and Midwestern Council... after hundreds of GT6 ace outings running up front, The Isky cams have remained in both engines ebuild after rebuild. e advised... I am not an experienced engine builder, but have been rather anatical when it comes to studying what has been successful in GT6 race ars. Jason Ostrowski riendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 n Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Larry Young wrote: > I could not find specs for their cams at that website. I have started a table of 6 cylinder cam specs, similar to the one for TR3/4 at my website. The problem is that most companies don't list complete specs. Larry Young www.TildenTechnologies.com On 5/12/2011 11:04 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: > Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. > http://www.deltacam.com/ > Charly Mitchel > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From jason at multivintage.com Thu May 12 18:01:31 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 19:01:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: <8CDDF038BC344C5-1138-17B99@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> <8CDDF038BC344C5-1138-17B99@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Yes, And the grind # is not the same as any of the ones I have either, I would imagine Isky will make whatever you might desire, as I know one of my old boxes reads "Custom Grind". Obviously, the Kastner cams have always been THE cams to model after... tweaked a bit I suppose for personal style and financial means. (more radical = more rebuilds.) Forgive me Kas and Chas's GT6. It kills me that I haven't gotten your new book yet... Excuses, excuses... every extra dime I make GONE into my basic racing budget. The cost of racing this thing has not left over much cash to buy the book that will make me go faster and spend more money! So Chuck you have an S-9 in the new GT6, or ? This seems like a perfect moment please for one of Ya'll to enlighten the less knowledgeable about what exactly are the key numbers regarding duration and lift,, opening and closing, and all that... What will ultimately determine a cam shifting from mild to say not so mild? A "cliff notes" version, using these 2 Cams as an example (Kas S-9 and this Isky Z-66+10)? Cheers. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 4:34 PM, wrote: > > All, > > Based on the numbers in the Isky catalog, it looks like they are milder > that the original Kastner S-9. The S-9 is quite a cam and produces really > good power. I would not overlook it as an option. > > Chuck > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Ostrowski > To: Larry Young > Cc: fot > Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 2:22 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam > > Isky Cams has some specs for 6 cyl Triumph cams on the website in their > online catalog. http://www.iskycams.com/onlinecatalog.html > I have several Isky Cams that came with my car and a Crane cam as > well. Also, The extremely fast Zippy Racing GT6 uses a very old and well > maintained Isky Cam. They call Mr. Iskenderian the CAMFATHER for a reason. > For what its worth, that's two Championship winning GT6's, with long, > long race histories in SCCA and Midwestern Council... after hundreds of GT6 > race outings running up front, The Isky cams have remained in both engines > rebuild after rebuild. > Be advised... I am not an experienced engine builder, but have been rather > fanatical when it comes to studying what has been successful in GT6 race > cars. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Larry Young > wrote: > > > I could not find specs for their cams at that website. I have started a > > table of 6 cylinder cam specs, similar to the one for TR3/4 at my website. > > The problem is that most companies don't list complete specs. > > Larry Young > > www.TildenTechnologies.com > > > > > > On 5/12/2011 11:04 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: > > > >> Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. > >> http://www.deltacam.com/ > > >> Charly Mitchel > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From John.Reed at wilson.com Fri May 13 06:08:43 2011 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 07:08:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Correction on the Zippy Racing GT6+ cam. It is a Chris Beebe spec grind. Not sure where he had it ground. I can ask. Chris Beebe is a bit of a guru of British cars here in the Midwest. John Reed #69 Zippy Racing GT6+ On 5/12/11 3:52 PM, "jason ostrowski" wrote: Isky Cams has some specs for 6 cyl Triumph cams on the website in their online catalog. http://www.iskycams.com/onlinecatalog.html I have several Isky Cams that came with my car and a Crane cam as well. Also, The extremely fast Zippy Racing GT6 uses a very old and well maintained Isky Cam. They call Mr. Iskenderian the CAMFATHER for a reason. For what its worth, that's two Championship winning GT6's, with long, long race histories in SCCA and Midwestern Council... after hundreds of GT6 race outings running up front, The Isky cams have remained in both engines rebuild after rebuild. Be advised... I am not an experienced engine builder, but have been rather fanatical when it comes to studying what has been successful in GT6 race cars. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Larry Young wrote: > I could not find specs for their cams at that website. I have started a > table of 6 cylinder cam specs, similar to the one for TR3/4 at my website. > The problem is that most companies don't list complete specs. > Larry Young > www.TildenTechnologies.com > > > On 5/12/2011 11:04 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: > >> Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. >> http://www.deltacam.com/ >> Charly Mitchel >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.reed at wilson.com John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services [cid:3388115323_48686135] Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W. Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago IL 60631: USA T: 1 773.714.6895 F: 1 773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com http://www.wilson.com http://www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri May 13 07:03:37 2011 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 09:03:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Gt-6 cams Message-ID: Thanks to everyone on the cam response, sounds like we drew a good issue to talk about,I will take your ( the group) advice and run with it. It is great to get good feed back from you, as I do have a "Larry Young" and a "Erson" for my TR-4 but you don't find the GT-6s talked about much or advertised and this motor turns higher than a "six". -- rob deanes TR Racer From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 13 10:45:01 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 09:45:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gt-6 cams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As a Post Script to this thread, I will have to add that the subject of the previous long winded thread (Gareth Thomas) highly recommends the cam made for the TR6PI, for what it's worth. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Deanes Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 6:04 AM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Gt-6 cams Thanks to everyone on the cam response, sounds like we drew a good issue to talk about,I will take your ( the group) advice and run with it. It is great to get good feed back from you, as I do have a "Larry Young" and a "Erson" for my TR-4 but you don't find the GT-6s talked about much or advertised and this motor turns higher than a "six". -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From cartravel at pobox.com Fri May 13 12:52:06 2011 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 13:52:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> <8CDDF038BC344C5-1138-17B99@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DCD7DD6.6080706@pobox.com> Of course, the key numbers are what the dyno gives, but there are general trends for how the numbers affect performance. I attempt to explain some of this at my website. It is definitely not the "Cliff Notes" version though. Larry On 5/12/2011 7:01 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > This seems like a perfect moment please for one of > Ya'll to enlighten the less knowledgeable about what exactly are the > key numbers regarding duration and lift,, opening and closing, and all > that... What will ultimately determine a cam shifting from mild to say > not so mild? A "cliff notes" version, using these 2 Cams as an > example (Kas S-9 and this Isky Z-66+10)? > Cheers. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing From jason at multivintage.com Fri May 13 13:02:42 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 14:02:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: <4DCD7DD6.6080706@pobox.com> References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> <8CDDF038BC344C5-1138-17B99@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> <4DCD7DD6.6080706@pobox.com> Message-ID: Nice website, looks like I won't get much work done today...Got lots of Cam studying to do at http://www.tildentechnologies.com/ Thanks Larry. Jason FGR. On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Larry Young wrote: > Of course, the key numbers are what the dyno gives, but there are general > trends for how the numbers affect performance. I attempt to explain some of > this at my website. It is definitely not the "Cliff Notes" version though. > Larry From igofaster at att.net Fri May 13 19:59:35 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 18:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: GT6 cam, and my autopsy report In-Reply-To: References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> <8CDDF038BC344C5-1138-17B99@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <763273.47588.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Fri, May 13, 2011 2:12:30 PM Subject: GT6 cam, and my autopsy report So... Kas.... where can we get your cam and lifters? My machine shop (brother-in-law) started sending me some photos of my engine. 5 of the 6 pistons had the clip holding in wrist pins came out. 5 of the 6 piston walls have a nice deep groove in the cylinder walls. The block will have to be re-sleeved to start. Damn shame. Still, it could have been worse, nothing BROKE... So, with 146 drivers registered with CVAR next weekend and Eagles Canyon, I'll tool up in our street TR6 and hold down the 6 space slot our Triumph FoT guys have in the garage area. Steve Coleman is sponsoring a British Small Bore special event on Saturday. Apparently the grandson of THE Healey family is one of our special guests from England. So.. I'm at square one with the GT6 engine. I was running high zinc oil and the cam was already showing wear, my Ric Cline cam was paired with a set of Iski springs and may have been too strong of a spring rate. So now I'm going to find a new cam and springs from one source... Sources?? I'm also going to be shopping for new pistons.. if forged aren't too expensive I may go that route.. Sources??? If we re sleeve I can go with stock size pistons, because the way this thing is gouged I doubt 060 over is available.... Bobby Whitehead .... nice rolling chassis setting in the garage right now.... ________________________________ From ac at camoletti.ch Sat May 14 02:31:50 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 10:31:50 +0200 Subject: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters Message-ID: <000601cc1211$62c2cf60$28486e20$@camoletti.ch> Amici, The SU Carburetter Co in the UK (original manufacturer of our SU carbs) just released so called unsinkable floats, see http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ProductCategory.aspx?ParentId=277 It may be interesting. Enjoy the we and for the ones on the track, have great races! Alex Camoletti Greetings from The SU Carburetter Company, We are pleased to introduce to you a new range of 'unsinkable' floats made by StayUpR. The floats have been developed alongside the successful release of a similar design by The AMAL Carburetter Company for their motorcycle Carburetters. They are constructed from a military spec material designed for use in the warzone where a fail safe operation of floating devices is critical. The material, which is foam filled, will continue to float even when punctured and is resistant to ethanol based fuels. All floats have been designed by SU to match the original specifications of size and weight for the standard items - this ensures easy replacement and float level settings. The first to be released are the large T4 and medium T2 size floats for most H, HV and HD type Carburetters with the smaller T1 size coming soon. HS type Carburetter versions are also available now. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat May 14 02:35:13 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 10:35:13 +0200 Subject: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters In-Reply-To: <000601cc1211$62c2cf60$28486e20$@camoletti.ch> References: <000601cc1211$62c2cf60$28486e20$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <001101cc1211$dadfdd30$909f9790$@com> Hmmm.....they told something similar about the Titanic ;-) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Alexandre Camoletti Gesendet: Samstag, 14. Mai 2011 10:32 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters Amici, The SU Carburetter Co in the UK (original manufacturer of our SU carbs) just released so called unsinkable floats, see http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ProductCategory.aspx?ParentId=277 It may be interesting. Enjoy the we and for the ones on the track, have great races! Alex Camoletti Greetings from The SU Carburetter Company, We are pleased to introduce to you a new range of 'unsinkable' floats made by StayUpR. The floats have been developed alongside the successful release of a similar design by The AMAL Carburetter Company for their motorcycle Carburetters. They are constructed from a military spec material designed for use in the warzone where a fail safe operation of floating devices is critical. The material, which is foam filled, will continue to float even when punctured and is resistant to ethanol based fuels. All floats have been designed by SU to match the original specifications of size and weight for the standard items - this ensures easy replacement and float level settings. The first to be released are the large T4 and medium T2 size floats for most H, HV and HD type Carburetters with the smaller T1 size coming soon. HS type Carburetter versions are also available now. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From ac at camoletti.ch Sat May 14 03:12:44 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 11:12:44 +0200 Subject: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters In-Reply-To: <001101cc1211$dadfdd30$909f9790$@com> References: <000601cc1211$62c2cf60$28486e20$@camoletti.ch> <001101cc1211$dadfdd30$909f9790$@com> Message-ID: <000101cc1217$18f97090$4aec51b0$@camoletti.ch> At least we all remember the TITANIC! -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de MadMarx Envoyi : samedi 14 mai 2011 10:35 @ : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters Hmmm.....they told something similar about the Titanic ;-) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Alexandre Camoletti Gesendet: Samstag, 14. Mai 2011 10:32 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters Amici, The SU Carburetter Co in the UK (original manufacturer of our SU carbs) just released so called unsinkable floats, see http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ProductCategory.aspx?ParentId=277 It may be interesting. Enjoy the we and for the ones on the track, have great races! Alex Camoletti Greetings from The SU Carburetter Company, We are pleased to introduce to you a new range of 'unsinkable' floats made by StayUpR. The floats have been developed alongside the successful release of a similar design by The AMAL Carburetter Company for their motorcycle Carburetters. They are constructed from a military spec material designed for use in the warzone where a fail safe operation of floating devices is critical. The material, which is foam filled, will continue to float even when punctured and is resistant to ethanol based fuels. All floats have been designed by SU to match the original specifications of size and weight for the standard items - this ensures easy replacement and float level settings. The first to be released are the large T4 and medium T2 size floats for most H, HV and HD type Carburetters with the smaller T1 size coming soon. HS type Carburetter versions are also available now. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat May 14 03:31:07 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 19:31:07 +1000 Subject: [Fot] steering wheel boss wanted Message-ID: can anyone help me with a used factory or aftermarket steering wheel boss for a late TR6 or Spitfire 1500. I need the type that unbolts from the wheel. I dont really need the wheel. if you have an old aftermarket one, I'm chasing one that has 6 bolts on 3" PCD (common, Momo, etc). its for a racer, so horn facility not needed. any help appreciated. thanks, Terry O 'Beirne From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat May 14 08:35:56 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 09:35:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters In-Reply-To: <000601cc1211$62c2cf60$28486e20$@camoletti.ch> References: <000601cc1211$62c2cf60$28486e20$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <000001cc1244$3d1bcd10$b7536730$@com> Joe Curto here in the States has similar type of floats for the H6 carbs for $22.50 each. I've got a pair that cost about $49 including the shipping. I just looked on the Joe Curto Inc. web site and they are not shown but I had seen a "news release" in the March issue of "Classic Motorsports" magazine that they were available. I will report after we have some history of them in the car. I could not find on the SU web site any description of the T2 or T4 kits as to what carbs they were for and what was all included. Any more information on that? Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alexandre Camoletti Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:32 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters Amici, The SU Carburetter Co in the UK (original manufacturer of our SU carbs) just released so called unsinkable floats, see http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ProductCategory.aspx?ParentId=277 It may be interesting. Enjoy the we and for the ones on the track, have great races! Alex Camoletti Greetings from The SU Carburetter Company, We are pleased to introduce to you a new range of 'unsinkable' floats made by StayUpR. The floats have been developed alongside the successful release of a similar design by The AMAL Carburetter Company for their motorcycle Carburetters. They are constructed from a military spec material designed for use in the warzone where a fail safe operation of floating devices is critical. The material, which is foam filled, will continue to float even when punctured and is resistant to ethanol based fuels. All floats have been designed by SU to match the original specifications of size and weight for the standard items - this ensures easy replacement and float level settings. The first to be released are the large T4 and medium T2 size floats for most H, HV and HD type Carburetters with the smaller T1 size coming soon. HS type Carburetter versions are also available now. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sat May 14 11:48:44 2011 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 17:48:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood In-Reply-To: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1071462442.211921.1305395324470.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> prodbodies.com ----- Original Message ----- From: chasgee at aol.com To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, 9 May, 2011 11:52:05 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood Hello All, Years ago I bought a really lightweight fiberglass hood for my 1500 Spitifre from a guy in Kansas. B Thanks to the "redesign" I did at Portland, I need to replace the one I have. B Unfortunaltey, I can't find any of my old information regarding the supplier. B Does anyone know this guy or have a good source for 1500 fiberglass hoods? Thanks, Chuck Gee _______________________________________________ From ac at camoletti.ch Sat May 14 12:28:34 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 20:28:34 +0200 Subject: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters In-Reply-To: <000001cc1244$3d1bcd10$b7536730$@com> References: <000601cc1211$62c2cf60$28486e20$@camoletti.ch> <000001cc1244$3d1bcd10$b7536730$@com> Message-ID: <000801cc1264$bf844cd0$3e8ce670$@camoletti.ch> Hi Tim ! The T4 is for the H6 and the T2 is for the H4. UK logic: 4=6, 2=4 You can use a T2 in the H6 (I intend to do that) which gives you a larger fuel quantity in the chamber, given the smaller OD of the T2, hence fuel delivery to the carb is more constant under surge. A little trick from the UK Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : Tim Murphy [mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com] Envoyi : samedi 14 mai 2011 16:36 @ : 'Alexandre Camoletti'; fot at autox.team.net Objet : RE: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters Joe Curto here in the States has similar type of floats for the H6 carbs for $22.50 each. I've got a pair that cost about $49 including the shipping. I just looked on the Joe Curto Inc. web site and they are not shown but I had seen a "news release" in the March issue of "Classic Motorsports" magazine that they were available. I will report after we have some history of them in the car. I could not find on the SU web site any description of the T2 or T4 kits as to what carbs they were for and what was all included. Any more information on that? Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alexandre Camoletti Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:32 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters Amici, The SU Carburetter Co in the UK (original manufacturer of our SU carbs) just released so called unsinkable floats, see http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ProductCategory.aspx?ParentId=277 It may be interesting. Enjoy the we and for the ones on the track, have great races! Alex Camoletti Greetings from The SU Carburetter Company, We are pleased to introduce to you a new range of 'unsinkable' floats made by StayUpR. The floats have been developed alongside the successful release of a similar design by The AMAL Carburetter Company for their motorcycle Carburetters. They are constructed from a military spec material designed for use in the warzone where a fail safe operation of floating devices is critical. The material, which is foam filled, will continue to float even when punctured and is resistant to ethanol based fuels. All floats have been designed by SU to match the original specifications of size and weight for the standard items - this ensures easy replacement and float level settings. The first to be released are the large T4 and medium T2 size floats for most H, HV and HD type Carburetters with the smaller T1 size coming soon. HS type Carburetter versions are also available now. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat May 14 20:19:51 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 22:19:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1-1/4 S.U. linkage on a Spity Message-ID: A few months ago when I pulled the carbs off my Spitfire engine the linkage looked pretty straight forward. Now when I am assembling, things are a little foggy. Anybody able to email me a picture of the linkage set up between the two carbs so I can make sure I have it correct before I finish buttoning things up? Thanks, Marty From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sat May 14 21:14:31 2011 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 03:14:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] nat gas In-Reply-To: <1392409525.409282.1305429196774.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1968973462.409296.1305429271508.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Check out www.gonatgas.com B I am almost a fan of this fuel but I am not sure who to believe when it comes to the hydraulicB fracking necessary to release the gas from the shale andB howB dangerous it may be B to the water table and private wells closet to the drill site.B B B rob From chasgee at aol.com Fri May 13 09:08:50 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 11:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com><4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com><8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly><4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com><8CDDF038BC344C5-1138-17B99@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDDF96CD05B23A-1048-2C178@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> The key numbers aren't really what you find in the cam data, but what you generate on the dyno. The cam data can be used as a guideline to compare performance, but there are other variables that contribute to horsepower (obviously). I want the highest lift cam that will fit, with the appropriate duration. The S-9 cam has higher lift than most I've seen. Jerry Barker had done a lot of work on the dyno with various cam profiles including the standard Isky cams and many of his own profiles ground at Isky. The S-9 grind outperformed all of them. I had the same experience in my Spitfire and have translated that info to my GT6. We got some pretty good horsepower numbers (you'll have to get the book for more details :)). I'm no expert on this, but Jerry certainly is. It will be interesting to see what Larry can come up with once he starts playing with the 6 cylinder cams. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: chasgee Cc: cartravel ; fot Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam Yes, And the grind # is not the same as any of the ones I have either, I would imagine Isky will make whatever you might desire, as I know one of my old boxes reads "Custom Grind". Obviously, the Kastner cams have always been THE cams to model after... tweaked a bit I suppose for personal style and financial means. (more radical = more rebuilds.) Forgive me Kas and Chas's GT6. It kills me that I haven't gotten your new book yet... Excuses, excuses... every extra dime I make GONE into my basic racing budget. The cost of racing this thing has not left over much cash to buy the book that will make me go faster and spend more money! So Chuck you have an S-9 in the new GT6, or ? This seems like a perfect moment please for one of Ya'll to enlighten the less knowledgeable about what exactly are the key numbers regarding duration and lift,, opening and closing, and all that... What will ultimately determine a cam shifting from mild to say not so mild? A "cliff notes" version, using these 2 Cams as an example (Kas S-9 and this Isky Z-66+10)? Cheers. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 4:34 PM, wrote: All, Based on the numbers in the Isky catalog, it looks like they are milder that the original Kastner S-9. The S-9 is quite a cam and produces really good power. I would not overlook it as an option. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: Larry Young Cc: fot Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 2:22 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam Isky Cams has some specs for 6 cyl Triumph cams on the website in their nline catalog. http://www.iskycams.com/onlinecatalog.html have several Isky Cams that came with my car and a Crane cam as ell. Also, The extremely fast Zippy Racing GT6 uses a very old and well aintained Isky Cam. They call Mr. Iskenderian the CAMFATHER for a reason. or what its worth, that's two Championship winning GT6's, with long, ong race histories in SCCA and Midwestern Council... after hundreds of GT6 ace outings running up front, The Isky cams have remained in both engines ebuild after rebuild. e advised... I am not an experienced engine builder, but have been rather anatical when it comes to studying what has been successful in GT6 race ars. Jason Ostrowski riendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 n Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Larry Young wrote: > I could not find specs for their cams at that website. I have started a table of 6 cylinder cam specs, similar to the one for TR3/4 at my website. The problem is that most companies don't list complete specs. Larry Young www.TildenTechnologies.com On 5/12/2011 11:04 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: > Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. > http://www.deltacam.com/ > Charly Mitchel > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From sm1ski at dslextreme.com Mon May 9 20:06:18 2011 From: sm1ski at dslextreme.com (michael a kowalski) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 20:06:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood References: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> <26985264-EA68-43DF-B442-33A4A550F013@aol.com> Message-ID: <20DC70733C584DB3ACDA3ECEB30990E4@sarako> if you are considering steel alternatives like the last message, I have one with flares that is heavy like steel. but you can have it. mike kowalski 1500 FP spit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Bock" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood > Chuck > I have a steel one in good shape. Some dents but very little to no rust. > > I had looked into honeybourne in the uk and it seemed that for about $1500 > total i could get one of theirs shipped to me. > > Other than that I don't know of any other place. > > Chris > > On May 9, 2011, at 11:52 AM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> Years ago I bought a really lightweight fiberglass hood for my 1500 > Spitifre >> from a guy in Kansas. Thanks to the "redesign" I did at Portland, I need > to >> replace the one I have. Unfortunaltey, I can't find any of my old > information >> regarding the supplier. Does anyone know this guy or have a good source > for >> 1500 fiberglass hoods? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Gee >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sm1ski at dslextreme.com From atr6racer at hotmail.com Sun May 15 05:18:10 2011 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 07:18:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Small world, Sam Halkias,Little 500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jason and all, I make no bones about my mentor in racing, Wedge Rafferty is the one that got me into TR's and had I not met him I do not believe I would have ever got into road racing. Wedge and his family took me in when I was in college at BGSU in 1970. I worked part time at a American Gas station pumping gas and fixing cars. Wedge was the dealer rep for American. He notice that I was fixing all types of cars and asked me if I wanted to go to IRP and help him race his Triumph. Immediately I thought we were going drag racing as I had gone to the NHRA nationals at IRP every fall. When I pulled into Wedge's driveway there sat a school bus yellow TR4 with a roll cage, no windsheild, big fat tires and flared fenders. I still thought we were going to drag race it! Once we got to IRP Wedge unloaded the TR4 and fired it up and I think at that moment I was hooked. When I discovered the road course I knew I had to become a road racer. I helped Wedge for a couple of years and he helped me with my first TR4. I owe allot to Wedge! Wedge mentored me for many years and he is a legend in road racing from Cam Am to all sorts of road racing cars including 24 hours races. My first phone call after the win at the runoffs was to Wedge. In fact my gold medal hangs on a picture of my car in the rain at RA in a yellow school bus picture frame that Wedge painted himself and sent to me after the race. I keep in touch with him and he's still wrenching on cars! If you see him talk a look at his kit car Catterham! Thanks for sharing your story Jason! The "Wedger" as we call him, is a true hero to me! Sam > Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 17:20:03 -0500 > From: jason at multivintage.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Small world, Sam Halkias,Little 500 > > - just a bit of small town Triumph irony that made me feel big in racing - > >> > > With my race car on the trailer, word spreads fast in a small town... soon a > few of the town's racing legends were down at the local machine shop to > check out my ride. Racing is pretty big in Rensselaer. And at the top of the > heap is a fellow named Wedge Rafferty, an old time SCCA'er with > legendary endurance racing and sports car history. I have known Wedge for > over 20 years, he was a sponsor for my Go Kart teams and has great racing > "know how." I bought my first trailer from him 20 years ago. In the coarse > of bench racing chatter and B.S. with Wedge, someone who really understands > the thrill of racing, I was talking about how great this past year has been > for me racing the GT6, the coolness of FOT,meeting Kas Kastner, Racing the > Kastner Cup. etc. When I mentioned that I was racing against these great > Triumph guys....he instantly dropped the name Sam Halkias and continued to > divulge that Sam worked on his pit crew fresh out of school when, Mr. EP > Champ, was just a wee lad with a minimal interest in racing. > > I won major points with that group when I told Wedge that not only did I > see Sam win the SCCA National Championship from Canada Corner at Elkhart > Lake, I also raced against him at Heartland Park and enjoyed a few > conversations with him at our last Kastner Cup. So yeah, Team Turtle, Wedge > Rafferty...old small town college road racing hero's of > mine, apparently helped Sam Halkias get some sort of introduction to racing? > Wedge was delighted to hear that all of us somehow knew each other and the > friendship and history made a neat conection of three generations of racing. > >From Wedge Rafferty, to Sam Halkias, to me.... so, Small world eh Sam? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/atr6racer at hotmail.com From spitfiresuz at 141.com Sun May 15 08:52:13 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:52:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1.3 lb Kronospark MiKroh Battery Message-ID: <4DCFE89D.8090804@141.com> /Z7zXvI: Permission denied From spitfiresuz at 141.com Sun May 15 09:13:01 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 11:13:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1.3 lb Kronospark MiKroh Battery Message-ID: <4DCFED7D.3000209@141.com> Hey gang, The Chicagoland Sports Car Club newsletter just had an article on a tiny new battery designed for racing, the MiKroh. It is a 1.3 (yes, one point three) lb lead-acid battery that delivers 900 cranking amps at 12 volts. It's available for $225 online at www.kronospark.com and comes with a free charger and free shipping. They also have the MiKroh^2 (2.7 lbs, 1500 CA) and the LiKroh (1.2 lb, 228 PCA) batteries. Anyone have any experience with these? Losing 20-30 battery lbs and a large battery box is intriguing, but I wonder how long they hold up and how well they do with sitting idle. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From spitfiresuz at 141.com Sun May 15 09:13:20 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 11:13:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1.3 lb Kronospark MiKroh Battery Message-ID: <4DCFED90.4060109@141.com> Hey gang, The Chicagoland Sports Car Club newsletter just had an article on a tiny new battery designed for racing, the MiKroh. It is a 1.3 (yes, one point three) lb lead-acid battery that delivers 900 cranking amps at 12 volts. It's available for $225 online at www.kronospark.com and comes with a free charger and free shipping. They also have the MiKroh^2 (2.7 lbs, 1500 CA) and the LiKroh (1.2 lb, 228 PCA) batteries. Anyone have any experience with these? Losing 20-30 battery lbs and a large battery box is intriguing, but I wonder how long they hold up and how well they do with sitting idle. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From garygret at sbcglobal.net Sun May 15 13:13:13 2011 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: 1.3 lb Kronospark MiKroh Battery In-Reply-To: <4DCFED7D.3000209@141.com> References: <4DCFED7D.3000209@141.com> Message-ID: <331749.87611.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have no personal experience but for work I keep up on battery technology and it seems like a well-thought-out design. The Kronospark guy Hal Glenn has been a member of our local Madison club for years and is very knowledgeable on the chemistry. He designed and builds the batteries. I've seen the one he runs in his street car, a modified 350Z. Professional-looking package, it is only 1 ampere-hour but still has the surge current to start the car. No technology touches lead-acid for surge current. For a race car with an alternator/generator it sounds good. (My car is a loss system and 1 AH wouldn't get me through a race.) The battery is rated for 10 seconds cranking at 900A which is the same as 30 seconds at a more realistic 300A - that could be marginal for a reluctant Brit on a cold damp morning. It does require some attention: fully discharge it even once and it's toast, and it must be trickle charged between races. The website is honest about all that. It's new enough I doubt there is much actual history on longevity, but lead-acid is well-known mature technology. An FAQ refers to 300 starting cycles typically and the spec sheet says 150 cycles at 200A/5sec which is a pretty long discharge. With that small a body it obviously doesn't have the mass of lead and acid of a normal package, but those numbers are pretty realistic from an electrical engineering viewpoint. I saw nothing on the website that sounded like BS and I have a pretty well-developed BS-o-meter. NFI, just a club member I know is a sharp cookie Gary Schneider ________________________________ From: Susan Kahler To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sun, May 15, 2011 10:13:01 AM Subject: [Fot] 1.3 lb Kronospark MiKroh Battery Hey gang, The Chicagoland Sports Car Club newsletter just had an article on a tiny new battery designed for racing, the MiKroh. It is a 1.3 (yes, one point three) lb lead-acid battery that delivers 900 cranking amps at 12 volts. It's available for $225 online at www.kronospark.com and comes with a free charger and free shipping. They also have the MiKroh^2 (2.7 lbs, 1500 CA) and the LiKroh (1.2 lb, 228 PCA) batteries. Anyone have any experience with these? Losing 20-30 battery lbs and a large battery box is intriguing, but I wonder how long they hold up and how well they do with sitting idle. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Sun May 15 14:44:25 2011 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil Temp TR4 forcing me to cancel my trip to KAS cup Message-ID: <629319.83393.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Well; The good news is the engine didn't fail (pretty sure). (TR4) I am running high oil temp. Ran 3 sessions with oil temp 220, 230 and 240. Water never got above 180. Cut the filter open after the first seesion and it was totally clean. Pitted with Jeff Quick, Mark York and Charly Mitchel (TR4a, TR6, TR3) at the Sovren Spring Sprints. Mark is having some challenges as well. I am afraid I can't make the tow from Vancouver Washington knowing I have this problem with no time on track before then. I am really disapointed that I won't make my first this year. I had been running laps in my head around Laguna Seca for months now. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From billb at bnj.com Sun May 15 16:16:46 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 15:16:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil Temp TR4 forcing me to cancel my trip to KAS cup In-Reply-To: <629319.83393.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <629319.83393.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike, that's not a particularly high oil temperature, though the trend isn't good. Is you oil cooler functioning properly? On May 15, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Well; > The good news is the engine didn't fail (pretty sure). (TR4) I am > running high > oil temp. Ran 3 sessions with oil temp 220, 230 and 240. Water > never got above > 180. Cut the filter open after the first seesion and it was > totally clean. > Pitted with Jeff Quick, Mark York and Charly Mitchel (TR4a, > TR6, TR3) at the > Sovren Spring Sprints. Mark is having some challenges as > well. > > > I am afraid I can't make the tow from Vancouver Washington knowing > I have this > problem with no time on track before then. I am really > disapointed that I won't > make my first this year. I had been running laps in > my head around Laguna Seca > for months now. > > > > Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun May 15 17:01:27 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 18:01:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Temp TR4 forcing me to cancel my trip to KAS cup Message-ID: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } WOW! Is there any chance you can get back with your engine builder and maybe find a solution or if the temp is really that high. What did the temp go up to on the dyno? I was really hoping you could make it, I don't think Mark York is going either. I had a low oil pressure when I came off the track yesterday and when all the races were canceled today, I went home and pulled my oil pan and checked things. Bearings look good, I suspect the oil pump, I saw a flaw in the casing which might have allowed it to 'leak'. New bearings and a oil pump and I'll be ready. Anybody have any suggestions on tweaking a TR6 oil pump? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 On Sun 15/05/11 1:44 PM , Mike Mehl mike.mehl at yahoo.com sent: Well; The good news is the engine didn't fail (pretty sure). (TR4) I am running high oil temp. Ran 3 sessions with oil temp 220, 230 and 240. Water never got above 180. Cut the filter open after the first seesion and it was totally clean. Pitted with Jeff Quick, Mark York and Charly Mitchel (TR4a, TR6, TR3) at the Sovren Spring Sprints. Mark is having some challenges as well. I am afraid I can't make the tow from Vancouver Washington knowing I have this problem with no time on track before then. I am really disapointed that I won't make my first this year. I had been running laps in my head around Laguna Seca for months now. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [2] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [3] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [4] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [5] Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com [6] Links: ------ [2] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [3] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From billb at bnj.com Sun May 15 17:11:18 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 16:11:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil Temp TR4 forcing me to cancel my trip to KAS cup In-Reply-To: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com> References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: I'd give you the same answer I gave Mike--talk to Tony Garmey. He's really become a go-to guy for TR motors in general. On May 15, 2011, at 4:01 PM, Charly wrote: > BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } > WOW! Is there any chance you can get back with your engine builder > and maybe find a solution or if the temp is really that high. What > did the temp go up to on the dyno? I was really hoping you could make > it, I don't think Mark York is going either. > > I had a low oil pressure when I came off the track yesterday and > when all the races were canceled today, I went home and pulled my oil > pan and checked things. Bearings look good, I suspect the oil pump, I > saw a flaw in the casing which might have allowed it to 'leak'. New > bearings and a oil pump and I'll be ready. > Anybody have any suggestions on tweaking a TR6 oil pump? > Charly Mitchel > > TR6 #44 > On Sun 15/05/11 1:44 PM , Mike Mehl mike.mehl at yahoo.com sent: > Well; > The good news is the engine didn't fail (pretty sure). (TR4) I am > running high > oil temp. Ran 3 sessions with oil temp 220, 230 and 240. Water > never got above > 180. Cut the filter open after the first seesion and it was > totally clean. > Pitted with Jeff Quick, Mark York and Charly Mitchel (TR4a, > TR6, TR3) at the > Sovren Spring Sprints. Mark is having some challenges as > well. > I am afraid I can't make the tow from Vancouver Washington knowing > I have this > problem with no time on track before then. I am really > disapointed that I won't > make my first this year. I had been running laps in > my head around Laguna Seca > for months now. > Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.fot-racing.com [2] > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [3] > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [4] > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [5] > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > [6] > > > Links: > ------ > [2] > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing > .com > [3] > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 > Fdonate.html > [4] > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 > Farchive > [5] > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 > Fforums > [6] > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net > %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From budscars at comcast.net Sun May 15 18:08:21 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 17:08:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr6 fiberglass hood & fenders Message-ID: I seem to recall someone looking for a TR6 glass hood..here's a Craigs list link to hood and fenders..San Francisco Bay area. RB http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/2376231157.html From billb at bnj.com Sun May 15 20:54:14 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 19:54:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil Temp TR4 forcing me to cancel my trip to KAS cup In-Reply-To: <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com> <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <31922E3B-3EA0-47B7-936D-30A99F2DC48A@bnj.com> I'm not sure why you are concerned about this oil temperature, I'd consider it pretty ideal. I thought I might be out of date with those ideas since they come mostly from my motorcycle racing days, but I did a little googling. Most of the oil manufacturers say that anything under 270 is acceptable for racing, under 260F is good. The viscosity of modern oils drops a little from 210 to 260, but the precipitous drop is after 270. Some components of the oil also start to break down at 270-280, but it's a relatively slow process. With the frequency of oil changes that racers employ it's not really a problem. I happened to be swapping email with a friend who races a Z06 in SCCA, she says they're really happy with anything under 280 but often see 290 at the end of tough races. Of course it's your choice what you do with your car, but I think you're fine for oil temperature--I'd be completely happy with 260 for oil temp in Peyote--happens some times. Mostly it's 250 in long races on hot days and in the spring and fall it's 220 and start thinking about duct tape. I don't really think I need an oil cooler. Some day we'll probably yank it off and save a few pounds and one more thing that can leak or fail. On May 15, 2011, at 6:04 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Bill > I had a good talk with Tony at the track. I am going to try ducting the oil cooler and move it close to the front valance. I did get a note from Kas telling me they ran thoses temps all the time back in the day. If ducting takes the temp down 25 degrees I should be good. > > I will run the Sovren July 4th race. > > Thanks Bill > > Mike From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 16 00:33:27 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 08:33:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Oil Temp TR4 forcing me to cancel my trip to KAS cup In-Reply-To: <629319.83393.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <629319.83393.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001cc1393$2bb479f0$831d6dd0$@com> I don't run an oil gauge at my car. One thing less to worry about: "If oil pressure drops - bullshit stops!" Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mike Mehl Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. Mai 2011 22:44 An: Triumph Friends of Betreff: [Fot] Oil Temp TR4 forcing me to cancel my trip to KAS cup Well; The good news is the engine didn't fail (pretty sure). (TR4) I am running high oil temp. Ran 3 sessions with oil temp 220, 230 and 240. Water never got above 180. Cut the filter open after the first seesion and it was totally clean. Pitted with Jeff Quick, Mark York and Charly Mitchel (TR4a, TR6, TR3) at the Sovren Spring Sprints. Mark is having some challenges as well. I am afraid I can't make the tow from Vancouver Washington knowing I have this problem with no time on track before then. I am really disapointed that I won't make my first this year. I had been running laps in my head around Laguna Seca for months now. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Mon May 16 06:39:04 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 08:39:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] More swag? Message-ID: Amici I am doing this for something else but I can easily do it for the FOT. I am talking about a 2 foot x 3 foot (maybe 3x4). Flag with the FOT crest. The price is in the 20-40 buck range. If i get enough interest I will get a mire exact price. I am still talking to a few companies. I did the badges and they came out well. I think I can do this aswell Chris Ps. Happy Monday From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 16 07:26:24 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 09:26:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] More swag? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDE1E3FD12D89A-F4C-8390@angweb-usm005.sysops.aol.com> I would be in for this. It was done once before. However, the size of the 'crest' seemed small in proportion to the size of the flag. Go for it. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: FoTTriumph Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 7:39 am Subject: [Fot] More swag? Amici I am doing this for something else but I can easily do it for the FOT. I am talking about a 2 foot x 3 foot (maybe 3x4). Flag with the FOT crest. The price is in the 20-40 buck range. If i get enough interest I will get a mire exact price. I am still talking to a few companies. I did the badges and they came out well. I think I can do this aswell Chris Ps. Happy Monday _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 16 07:42:27 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 09:42:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Thanks! Volunteerism in the FOT Message-ID: <8CDE1E63A9632A4-F4C-8CBF@angweb-usm005.sysops.aol.com> One of the things that has allowed the FOT flourish without a formal organization is the voluntary actions of several folks. EVENT SHIRTS DECALS BADGES ARTICLES HOSTING DONATIONS FLAGS ARTWORK PHOTOGRAPHY PUBLIC RELATIONS KASTNER CUP EVENTS SPEAKERS DINNERS ETC. Though not all list members are credentialed racers, most members have made contributions to the FOT that allow us to thrive. If you add up all of the activities, the time and effort has been enormous. Then you add in the friendships and all of the folks joining us in the paddock with support. VERY IMPRESSIVE! If we lose this kind of support, we have nothing. THANKS! = From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 16 07:53:33 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 07:53:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What fun. Message-ID: <4DD12C5D.6000405@bradakis.com> Mailman is acting up, some lists are working, like this one, some are not working, like the big Triumph list. I'm home sick today, maybe my stuffy, aching head will be able to muddle through and fix it rather than do more damage. mjb. From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon May 16 07:58:38 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 09:58:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] fender Message-ID: After an exciting moment in the rain at turn 3 at Summit Point I find that I have a need for a right rear fender for my TR3A. Does anyone know of a fender which might be avaliable?????? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon May 16 07:59:16 2011 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 06:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] More swag? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <608989.3107.qm@web80805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I, too, would be interested in a flag. ----- Original Message ---- From: Christopher Bock To: FoTTriumph Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 8:39:04 AM Subject: [Fot] More swag? Amici I am doing this for something else but I can easily do it for the FOT. I am talking about a 2 foot x 3 foot (maybe 3x4). Flag with the FOT crest. The price is in the 20-40 buck range. If i get enough interest I will get a mire exact price. I am still talking to a few companies. I did the badges and they came out well. I think I can do this aswell Chris Ps. Happy Monday _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From BillDentin at aol.com Mon May 16 08:29:49 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:29:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... Message-ID: <1cf42.22f29a80.3b028edd@aol.com> Amici... The seven year old racing radiator in Bob Wismer's TR4 (my racing partner) has a non reparable core failure. He needs to replace it. Bob is not on the FOT list. I think the finance company repossessed his computer. Anyway, he asked me if I would check and see if anyone can recommend a good replacement and a source? Bill Dentinger From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon May 16 08:38:19 2011 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:38:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 54, Issue 27 Message-ID: "A few months ago when I pulled the carbs off my Spitfire engine the linkage" Marty, try the Rimmer Bros site, they have exploded views of the carb linkages http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/ItemList--Triumph-Spitfire-Fuel-System--m-196 mike G. Michael Harmuth From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 16 09:35:58 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 15:35:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... In-Reply-To: <1cf42.22f29a80.3b028edd@aol.com> Message-ID: <1760193306.96739.1305560158142.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I use the Griffin radiator. I think it was for a mustang andB real good price as I recall. It has to be canted to fit but cooling has never been an issue with it. I can send pictures if you want. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:29:49 AM Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... Amici... The seven year old racing radiator in Bob Wismer's TR4 (my racing partner) has a non reparable core failure. B He needs to replace it. B Bob is not on the FOT list. B I think the finance company repossessed his computer. B Anyway, he asked me if I would check and see if anyone can recommend a good replacement and a source? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From BillDentin at aol.com Mon May 16 09:41:30 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 11:41:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... Message-ID: Amici... Anyone have a report on last week end's vintage event at Road America? My grand daughter's graduation from North Dakota State prevented me from being there. It is the first one I ever missed. The weather was rather cool, and wet on Saturday. Pity, as the week prior was actually balmy, lots of sun and temperatures in the 70s and 80s. Bill Dentinger From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 16 09:54:28 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 11:54:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... In-Reply-To: <1760193306.96739.1305560158142.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CDE1F8AC51FB7D-F4C-D151@angweb-usm005.sysops.aol.com> i have heard rumors of this choice. i would like to hear more. maybe FOT Jerry Van Vlack could shed some light on this. he is in the radiator distribution business. joe -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 10:35 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... I use the Griffin radiator. I think it was for a mustang andB real good price as I recall. It has to be canted to fit but cooling has never been an issue with it. I can send pictures if you want. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:29:49 AM Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... Amici... The seven year old racing radiator in Bob Wismer's TR4 (my racing partner) has a non reparable core failure. B He needs to replace it. B Bob is not on the FOT list. B I think the finance company repossessed his computer. B Anyway, he asked me if I would check and see if anyone can recommend a good replacement and a source? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From limeyv8 at aol.com Mon May 16 11:27:34 2011 From: limeyv8 at aol.com (Jack McGahey) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 13:27:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] More swag? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B3776CF-710B-4159-9E9E-C652D74E9D4B@aol.com> I'm in Jack Mc Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Christopher Bock wrote: > Amici > > I am doing this for something else but I can easily do it for the FOT. > > I am talking about a 2 foot x 3 foot (maybe 3x4). Flag with the FOT crest. > The price is in the 20-40 buck range. > > If i get enough interest I will get a mire exact price. I am still talking to > a few companies. > > I did the badges and they came out well. I think I can do this aswell > > Chris > > Ps. Happy Monday > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon May 16 11:50:14 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:50:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... In-Reply-To: <1cf42.22f29a80.3b028edd@aol.com> References: <1cf42.22f29a80.3b028edd@aol.com> Message-ID: <000501cc13f1$b69b7830$23d26890$@com> If he's looking for an aluminum one I recommend Wizard Cooling at www.wizardcooling.com. We have one of their radiators and are very pleased with it. We have never had overheating problems, including last August at Topeka where it was in the mid to high 90's. Ours was the "prototype" for the early TR4 design but without the crank hole. They do have others of the later TR4 designs. I have the name of the fella we worked with somewhere in my files if he's interested. If he wants to keep the original style steel radiator he can take it to a good radiator shop and they can get a new core and solder it to his old tanks. That is what I did for my street TR5 and it worked out really good. The new core is much better at cooling than the original as it is a more modern design and as I recall has more rows. Wasn't real costly either, quite a bit less than an aluminum one. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:30 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... Amici... The seven year old racing radiator in Bob Wismer's TR4 (my racing partner) has a non reparable core failure. He needs to replace it. Bob is not on the FOT list. I think the finance company repossessed his computer. Anyway, he asked me if I would check and see if anyone can recommend a good replacement and a source? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From jkhagen at charter.net Mon May 16 11:57:44 2011 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 13:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... Message-ID: Friends, {Bill} Only two Tr's Tony Drews and John Hagen [4's] Cool drizzel Fri/Sat cool dry Sun-\ Tony's hot rod was fast as ususal. My "new" 4 ran in the 3:20's in the fog and ran --got it sorted out best time 3:10 Sunday Not to bad for a heavy war horse last raced 1977! Engine was built in '76--a little under powered but held together all week end. A few brave TR fans showed up and cheered us on. The "Tech" crew got a big kick out of my worn out log book from the late '60s and '70s!! My MG buddies would not talk to me they say I have gone to the dark side. John Hagen On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:41 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Anyone have a report on last week end's vintage event at Road America? > My grand daughter's graduation from North Dakota State prevented me > from being there. It is the first one I ever missed. > > The weather was rather cool, and wet on Saturday. Pity, as the week > prior was actually balmy, lots of sun and temperatures in the 70s and > 80s. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From jason at multivintage.com Mon May 16 12:10:56 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:10:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Welcome to the dark side! Nice job bringing that baby back from the dead. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: jkhagen at charter.net Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 13:57:44 To: Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... Friends, {Bill} Only two Tr's Tony Drews and John Hagen [4's] Cool drizzel Fri/Sat cool dry Sun-\ Tony's hot rod was fast as ususal. My "new" 4 ran in the 3:20's in the fog and ran --got it sorted out best time 3:10 Sunday Not to bad for a heavy war horse last raced 1977! Engine was built in '76--a little under powered but held together all week end. A few brave TR fans showed up and cheered us on. The "Tech" crew got a big kick out of my worn out log book from the late '60s and '70s!! My MG buddies would not talk to me they say I have gone to the dark side. John Hagen On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:41 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Anyone have a report on last week end's vintage event at Road America? > My grand daughter's graduation from North Dakota State prevented me > from being there. It is the first one I ever missed. > > The weather was rather cool, and wet on Saturday. Pity, as the week > prior was actually balmy, lots of sun and temperatures in the 70s and > 80s. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 16 14:52:33 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:52:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Just wondering Message-ID: <4DD18E91.3040401@bradakis.com> Still having server issues. mjb. From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon May 16 15:57:42 2011 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:57:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... References: <8CDE1F8AC51FB7D-F4C-D151@angweb-usm005.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Joe and others. We do not get any discount on aluminum radiators from Wizard or Griffin that I am aware of but I'd be happy to check with them to see. I've heard about a Mustang radiator that some have used but I don't have the specs on which one is used. Also I don't have any information on what needs done to get them mounted. As I walk around the Pits I see a number of good solutions that folks have devised. My suggestion would be to ask fellow racers what they used. No need to re-invent something that is working. If someone would like to send me some details on size and or year and engine size of the Mustang I can drill something down. No promises but I'd be happy to try. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... > i have heard rumors of this choice. > > i would like to hear more. > > maybe FOT Jerry Van Vlack could shed some light on this. > > he is in the radiator distribution business. > > joe > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 10:35 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... > > > I use the Griffin radiator. I think it was for a mustang andB real good > price > as I recall. > > It has to be canted to fit but cooling has never been an issue with it. > > I can send pictures if you want. > > > > > > Jim G. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BillDentin at aol.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:29:49 AM > Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... > > Amici... > > The seven year old racing radiator in Bob Wismer's TR4 (my racing partner) > has a non reparable core failure. B He needs to replace it. B > > Bob is not on the FOT list. B I think the finance company repossessed his > computer. B Anyway, he asked me if I would check and see if anyone can > recommend a good replacement and a source? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From billb at bnj.com Mon May 16 17:41:24 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 16:41:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bad Knee News In-Reply-To: References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com>, , <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <31922E3B-3EA0-47B7-936D-30A99F2DC48A@bnj.com> Message-ID: I guess it depends on your definition of bad. The Doc said my knee is coming along just fine and should be 100 percent--if I don't screw it up before it heals. The good news is that they were able to repair the meniscus instead of cutting it away. The bad news is that it takes much longer for that to heal--like a couple of months. He basically said racing in July should be fine, in June--no. So I'm out for the HMSA Laguna FOT race and Buttonwillow. Should be OK for the Northwest Historics if I don't screw anything up. Tony, no need to bring Peyote to Portland, the next time I'll need it will be at Pacific. See you then. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon May 16 17:48:32 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:48:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bad Knee News In-Reply-To: References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com>, , <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <31922E3B-3EA0-47B7-936D-30A99F2DC48A@bnj.com> Message-ID: <001601cc1423$c565b650$503122f0$@com> Sorry to hear the bad news. I had arthroscopic knee surgery a couple of years ago and when I mentioned to the doctor that it seemed to be taking an awfully long time to heal seeing as how some of the football players have that type of surgery and are back on the field in a week or two, he not so subtly told me that I'm not 25 years old and in prime physical condition and that just may make a difference! It sure did, took months to heal up. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:41 PM To: Tony and Annie Garmey Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] Bad Knee News I guess it depends on your definition of bad. The Doc said my knee is coming along just fine and should be 100 percent--if I don't screw it up before it heals. The good news is that they were able to repair the meniscus instead of cutting it away. The bad news is that it takes much longer for that to heal--like a couple of months. He basically said racing in July should be fine, in June--no. So I'm out for the HMSA Laguna FOT race and Buttonwillow. Should be OK for the Northwest Historics if I don't screw anything up. Tony, no need to bring Peyote to Portland, the next time I'll need it will be at Pacific. See you then. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From billb at bnj.com Mon May 16 17:51:33 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 16:51:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bad Knee News In-Reply-To: <001601cc1423$c565b650$503122f0$@com> References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com>, , <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <31922E3B-3EA0-47B7-936D-30A99F2DC48A@bnj.com> <001601cc1423$c565b650$503122f0$@com> Message-ID: <07C8C833-CE63-4EEB-983F-D84881A71D67@bnj.com> I more or less asked the same question, the doc said "there are repairs we can do that will work for years and repairs we can do that work for a season." On May 16, 2011, at 4:48 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > Sorry to hear the bad news. I had arthroscopic knee surgery a couple of > years ago and when I mentioned to the doctor that it seemed to be taking an > awfully long time to heal seeing as how some of the football players have > that type of surgery and are back on the field in a week or two, he not so > subtly told me that I'm not 25 years old and in prime physical condition and > that just may make a difference! It sure did, took months to heal up. > > Tim Murphy > 1961 TR4 #317 From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Mon May 16 18:07:36 2011 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:07:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bad Kas Cup News [for me] In-Reply-To: <001601cc1423$c565b650$503122f0$@com> References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com>, , <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <31922E3B-3EA0-47B7-936D-30A99F2DC48A@bnj.com> <001601cc1423$c565b650$503122f0$@com> Message-ID: Sorry to say that I've heard more bad news than good regarding Laguna Seca. As much as it pains me, I ain't gunna' make it either. A $5k race just isn't in my immediate future. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On May 16, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > Sorry to hear the bad news. I had arthroscopic knee surgery a > couple of > years ago and when I mentioned to the doctor that it seemed to be > taking an > awfully long time to heal seeing as how some of the football > players have > that type of surgery and are back on the field in a week or two, he > not so > subtly told me that I'm not 25 years old and in prime physical > condition and > that just may make a difference! It sure did, took months to heal up. > > Tim Murphy > 1961 TR4 #317 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:41 PM > To: Tony and Annie Garmey > Cc: Triumph Friends of > Subject: [Fot] Bad Knee News > > I guess it depends on your definition of bad. The Doc said my knee > is coming > along just fine and should be 100 percent--if I don't screw it up > before it > heals. The good news is that they were able to repair the meniscus > instead > of > cutting it away. The bad news is that it takes much longer for that to > heal--like a couple of months. He basically said racing in July > should be > fine, in June--no. > > So I'm out for the HMSA Laguna FOT race and Buttonwillow. Should be > OK for > the > Northwest Historics if I don't screw anything up. > > Tony, no need to bring Peyote to Portland, the next time I'll need > it will > be > at Pacific. See you then. > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From gasket.works at verizon.net Mon May 16 19:43:11 2011 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:43:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... Message-ID: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> HMSA will email to each entrant (about 15 cars entered so far). prelim notification. Cris tells me that this will happen tonight. Other accompanying documentation later. This is is such a cool track. Just love the downhill after the Corkscrew. My engine and gearbox still out of the car.. but, hope to get them in this weekend.... I purchased two Go pro cameras and will try to get them synched for some great vids in 1080p and 3d! M M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph1 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax GMT-8 Pacific From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 16 19:49:22 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 19:49:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... In-Reply-To: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> References: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: <4DD1D422.4030607@bradakis.com> Cool. I am going to try making it this time, hopefully no near death experiences will get in my way. Yikes, I better get my hotel reservation made. mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Mon May 16 20:06:52 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 19:06:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... References: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: <8F669616505849FB8A11198B86C396AB@Bud> A neat thing to check out at Laguna Seca....Turns 2 & 3 of the original track layout(1.9 miles) are still visible.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MORDY DUNST" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:43 PM Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... > HMSA will email to each entrant (about 15 cars entered so far). prelim > notification. Cris tells me that this will happen tonight. Other > accompanying documentation later. > > This is is such a cool track. Just love the downhill after the Corkscrew. > > My engine and gearbox still out of the car.. but, hope to get them in this > weekend.... I purchased two Go pro cameras and will try to get them > synched > for some great vids in 1080p and 3d! > > M > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > www.Headgasket.com > 626.358.1616 ph1 > 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > > Triple R Munitions, Inc. > Class 6 Certified F.F.L. > 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > GMT-8 Pacific > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon May 16 21:30:51 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 20:30:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] More swag? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DD1EBEB.6020001@comcast.net> I'd go for one of these as well. On 5/16/2011 5:39 AM, Christopher Bock wrote: > Amici > > I am doing this for something else but I can easily do it for the FOT. > > I am talking about a 2 foot x 3 foot (maybe 3x4). Flag with the FOT crest. > The price is in the 20-40 buck range. > > If i get enough interest I will get a mire exact price. I am still talking to > a few companies. > > I did the badges and they came out well. I think I can do this aswell > > Chris > > Ps. Happy Monday > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 16 22:50:59 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 23:50:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110517045110.C4FF218764E@autox.team.net> 'twas cold all weekend. Friday was Foggy and delayed us almost an hour for the start. I think they gave up on the fog lifting and just sent us out hoping for the best. We all tippy toed around and eventually decided that there was decent traction, but the session ended so they could try to get caught up. The 12:30 session was the same kinda deal - made it down into the high 2:50's (like 2:57) for that session putting me 12th in the group. Saturday was misting so the track was in varying stages of wet, but there wasn't enough water in the air to soak the drivers suit, just to keep the visibility through the visor iffy. Didn't set any track records in the timed practice, so started 12th in the qualifying race Saturday afternoon. I had mounted new Speedsters at the beginning of the weekend and that started to look like a wise thing to do. I found the "rain line" to work quite well. I passed several cars on the front straight at the start, dove 3 wide into turn 1 and had a blast. I kept passing the next guy, watched one or two spin out in front of me and worked my way up to 4th chasing down a black 356. I worried him in the corners enough that he ran wide going onto the front straight. I ended the race in 3rd and was catching the leaders (although I'm sure they backed off due to conditions). Sunday was dry but 49 degrees and 30 mph winds. They re-gridded us based on best times so I started 12th again. Worked my way up to 8th - ended up running by myself though. Ended up with a mid 2:54 as my best lap. The Saturday race was particularly satisfying - I felt like a Hero in that one - ON THE EDGE but at 75% of the normal speed. Got to meet John Hagen and the new to him TR-4. Nice looking car - he's obviously spent quite a bit of time on it. Saw him pulling it on the trailer on Sunday - decent outing for a first time out, neat guy, great addition to our group. Tony Drews At 10:41 AM 5/16/2011, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >Amici... > >Anyone have a report on last week end's vintage event at Road America? > >My grand daughter's graduation from North Dakota State prevented me from >being there. It is the first one I ever missed. > >The weather was rather cool, and wet on Saturday. Pity, as the week prior >was actually balmy, lots of sun and temperatures in the 70s and 80s. > >Bill Dentinger >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 16 23:39:16 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 00:39:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... In-Reply-To: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> References: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: <20110517053921.DDCFA18764F@autox.team.net> I did receive my confirmation e-mail from Chris today. Can't wait! Tony Drews At 08:43 PM 5/16/2011, MORDY DUNST wrote: >HMSA will email to each entrant (about 15 cars entered so far). prelim >notification. Cris tells me that this will happen tonight. Other >accompanying documentation later. > > This is is such a cool track. Just love the downhill after the Corkscrew. > >My engine and gearbox still out of the car.. but, hope to get them in this >weekend.... I purchased two Go pro cameras and will try to get them synched >for some great vids in 1080p and 3d! > >M > >M.N.Dunst >Gasket Works USA, LLC >www.Headgasket.com >626.358.1616 ph1 >626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT >626.628.3777 fax > >Triple R Munitions, Inc. >Class 6 Certified F.F.L. >626.201.9471 ph/TEXT >626.628.3777 fax >GMT-8 Pacific From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Tue May 17 01:48:17 2011 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 03:48:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... In-Reply-To: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> References: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: <001601cc1466$c9046570$5b0d3050$@rr.com> Mordy, I have just one of the Go-Pro cameras and have problems with it shutting down during a session. I emailed the company and they told me it was vibration(???) I am using all their mountings including their rollbar mount. Had the same problem at VIR and also at Summit Point. I'll be back in touch with them shortly to see what their comment is. The picture and sound is exceptional, I just wish I could get a full session to record. I'm recording at 720 resolution (#2) and have a 32gig Kingston SD card in it. I'm nowhere close to filling the card and in fact it stopped after recording only a few meg worth at Summit Point last weekend. Frustrating. I'll keep you in the loop. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MORDY DUNST Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:43 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... HMSA will email to each entrant (about 15 cars entered so far). prelim notification. Cris tells me that this will happen tonight. Other accompanying documentation later. This is is such a cool track. Just love the downhill after the Corkscrew. My engine and gearbox still out of the car.. but, hope to get them in this weekend.... I purchased two Go pro cameras and will try to get them synched for some great vids in 1080p and 3d! M M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph1 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax GMT-8 Pacific _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue May 17 07:21:36 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 08:21:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bad Kas Cup News [for me] In-Reply-To: References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com>, , <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <31922E3B-3EA0-47B7-936D-30A99F2DC48A@bnj.com> <001601cc1423$c565b650$503122f0$@com> Message-ID: It's just too far away for me in these lean times. I'm 1,700 miles away. Fuel alone for the tow would be around $1600.00. Adding in hotels and the entry fee and that number doubles before we start counting all the other stuff. I really want to go but I can't justify it. Woe is me :) Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 7:08 PM To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] Bad Kas Cup News [for me] Sorry to say that I've heard more bad news than good regarding Laguna Seca. As much as it pains me, I ain't gunna' make it either. A $5k race just isn't in my immediate future. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On May 16, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > Sorry to hear the bad news. I had arthroscopic knee surgery a > couple of > years ago and when I mentioned to the doctor that it seemed to be > taking an > awfully long time to heal seeing as how some of the football > players have > that type of surgery and are back on the field in a week or two, he > not so > subtly told me that I'm not 25 years old and in prime physical > condition and > that just may make a difference! It sure did, took months to heal up. > > Tim Murphy > 1961 TR4 #317 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:41 PM > To: Tony and Annie Garmey > Cc: Triumph Friends of > Subject: [Fot] Bad Knee News > > I guess it depends on your definition of bad. The Doc said my knee > is coming > along just fine and should be 100 percent--if I don't screw it up > before it > heals. The good news is that they were able to repair the meniscus > instead > of > cutting it away. The bad news is that it takes much longer for that to > heal--like a couple of months. He basically said racing in July > should be > fine, in June--no. > > So I'm out for the HMSA Laguna FOT race and Buttonwillow. Should be > OK for > the > Northwest Historics if I don't screw anything up. > > Tony, no need to bring Peyote to Portland, the next time I'll need > it will > be > at Pacific. See you then. > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 17 08:43:19 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 14:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... In-Reply-To: <1257747988.143306.1305643090449.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1208636787.143547.1305643399183.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I had the same trouble with mine, more than once. It shut down with two laps to go at the K-Cup race last year. It annoyed me to the point I bought a chase cam. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "MORDY DUNST" , fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:48:17 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... Mordy, I have just one of the Go-Pro cameras and have problems with it shutting down during a session. I emailed the company and they told me it was vibration(???) I am using all their mountings including their rollbar mount. Had the same problem at VIR and also at Summit Point. I'll be back in touch with them shortly to see what their comment is. The picture and sound is exceptional, I just wish I could get a full session to record. I'm recording at 720 resolution (#2) and have a 32gig Kingston SD card in it. I'm nowhere close to filling the card and in fact it stopped after recording only a few meg worth at Summit Point last weekend. Frustrating. I'll keep you in the loop. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MORDY DUNST Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:43 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... HMSA will email to each entrant (about 15 cars entered so far). prelim notification. B Cris tells me that this will happen tonight. B Other accompanying documentation later. B This is is such a cool track. B Just love the downhill after the Corkscrew. My engine and gearbox still out of the car.. but, hope to get them in this weekend.... B I purchased two Go pro cameras and will try to get them synched for some great vids in 1080p and 3d! M M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph1 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 B Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax GMT-8 Pacific _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue May 17 08:48:57 2011 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 08:48:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Free food and rest stop in Albuqueruque for Kastner cup travelers Message-ID: I'll put you up just 2 miles off I-40 in Cedar Crest, NM and feed you near Albuquerque if it helps anyone get to the event. We have a fairly private guest room with TV and bathroom and have. Come stop, eat, sleep and leave, I have leached off others on the list more than my fair share and wold be thrilled to help someone get to the event. (The downside might be listening to my endless BS). Cheers Henry Morrison, Near Albuquerque From andre at gt6.ca Tue May 17 08:50:57 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:50:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... In-Reply-To: <1208636787.143547.1305643399183.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1257747988.143306.1305643090449.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1208636787.143547.1305643399183.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I'm not using their mount, but not tested it under race conditions. http://124racer.com/gallery/11/0505_GoPro_960/slides/IMG_2022.html http://124racer.com/gallery/11/0509_Accusump/slides/IMG_2045.html I used the mount last year. Manfrotto Super clamp with a quick release on a Sony POV camera. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVI3VLXH9TA&feature=player_embedded So the GoPro will be interesting. What back have you been running with? I did a test and did not like the full back audio. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYaxtxok6ak&feature=player_embedded A. On 17 May 2011 10:43, wrote: > I had the same trouble with mine, more than once. It shut down with two laps > to go at the > > K-Cup race last year. It annoyed me to the point I bought a chase cam. > > > > > > jim g > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Spitfire Racing" > To: "MORDY DUNST" , fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:48:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... > > Mordy, > I have just one of the Go-Pro cameras and have problems with it shutting > down during a session. I emailed the company and they told me it was > vibration(???) I am using all their mountings including their rollbar mount. > Had the same problem at VIR and also at Summit Point. I'll be back in touch > with them shortly to see what their comment is. The picture and sound is > exceptional, I just wish I could get a full session to record. I'm recording > at 720 resolution (#2) and have a 32gig Kingston SD card in it. I'm nowhere > close to filling the card and in fact it stopped after recording only a few > meg worth at Summit Point last weekend. Frustrating. I'll keep you in the > loop. > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MORDY DUNST > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:43 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... > > HMSA will email to each entrant (about 15 cars entered so far). prelim > notification. B Cris tells me that this will happen tonight. B Other > accompanying documentation later. > > B This is is such a cool track. B Just love the downhill after the Corkscrew. > > My engine and gearbox still out of the car.. but, hope to get them in this > weekend.... B I purchased two Go pro cameras and will try to get them > synched > for some great vids in 1080p and 3d! > > M > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > www.Headgasket.com > 626.358.1616 ph1 > 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > > Triple R Munitions, Inc. > Class 6 B Certified F.F.L. > 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > GMT-8 Pacific > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 17 08:59:12 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 14:59:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing in Hastings NE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1388132022.144256.1305644352012.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT Heartland Vintage Racing is co-sponsoring our annual RMVR event at Hastings NE. this year. Anyway, since I can't afford the trip to Monterey this year I'm going to shoot for Hastings. It's the first weekend in September. I've never been to Hastings but everyone I know says it's a blast & they have all kinds of non-racing things going on too. This may be a second chance for some of us that can't make the K-Cup. Here are some linksB B B http://www.racemph.com/ B B B B B B B B http://rmvr.com/ Jim g From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue May 17 09:23:51 2011 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 11:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] metalurgy question Message-ID: Hi, I'm fettling a Falcon SS header for one of my TR6's. The installation pretty much requires that you make some reliefs in the downpipe so that you can install the hold-downs. No surprises there. Now, although I've been using an oxy-acetylene torch for 15 years, I've never actually trained on it's use, so I'm on new ground owing to the material - 304 stainless. I heated the tube area where it's to be relieved so that it's bright red. I then hammered the tube with various types of hammers to get the general shape I want. Again, no big deal. The issue / question is: when the tube cools down, it has a fairly rough texture to it. It's sort of grey-ish. I'm thinking that I may have overheated the surface and / or had the flame a tad (or extremely) on the "oxidizing" side if things. So, assuming that I was closer to "welding" than just reshaping, is it possible to bring the surface back to something that looks like tubing from the tube factory or should I just leave well enough alone? The eventual goal is to ceramic coat the header, if that has an bearing on the topic. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From riverside at southslope.net Tue May 17 09:28:05 2011 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:28:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bad Knee News In-Reply-To: <07C8C833-CE63-4EEB-983F-D84881A71D67@bnj.com> References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com>, , <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <31922E3B-3EA0-47B7-936D-30A99F2DC48A@bnj.com> <001601cc1423$c565b650$503122f0$@com> <07C8C833-CE63-4EEB-983F-D84881A71D67@bnj.com> Message-ID: <6F9AB413176A476CAA20A1985D418D35@rileyPC> I had the right knee done 3 years ago and the left one is due next month. As my doctor explained the proceedure to me, he said that for young athletes, they did a very nic and tidy tuck and repair, but for old farts like me, they just snipped off the offending part and threw it away. I told him I was glad he was not my urologist. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:51 PM To: Tim Murphy Cc: 'Triumph Friends of' Subject: Re: [Fot] Bad Knee News I more or less asked the same question, the doc said "there are repairs we can do that will work for years and repairs we can do that work for a season." On May 16, 2011, at 4:48 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > Sorry to hear the bad news. I had arthroscopic knee surgery a couple of > years ago and when I mentioned to the doctor that it seemed to be taking > an > awfully long time to heal seeing as how some of the football players have > that type of surgery and are back on the field in a week or two, he not so > subtly told me that I'm not 25 years old and in prime physical condition and > that just may make a difference! It sure did, took months to heal up. > > Tim Murphy > 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 17 09:29:07 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 11:29:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing in Hastings NE RMVR & HVR CO-SPONSORS In-Reply-To: <1388132022.144256.1305644352012.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CDE2BE4C0D815A-ECC-1B450@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Jim, Presently we plan to be there. Seems like a good payback to be there, after all of the support we got from RMVR at last year's KCUP. Country Club track with nice facilities....I stopped by once to view the track. At the end of the day, it's the people that count.....should be pretty mellow. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Sent: Tue, May 17, 2011 9:59 am Subject: [Fot] Racing in Hastings NE FoT Heartland Vintage Racing is co-sponsoring our annual RMVR event at Hastings NE. this year. Anyway, since I can't afford the trip to Monterey this year I'm going to shoot for Hastings. It's the first weekend in September. I've never been to Hastings but everyone I know says it's a blast & they have all kinds of non-racing things going on too. This may be a second chance for some of us that can't make the K-Cup. Here are some linksB B B http://www.racemph.com/ B B B B B B B B http://rmvr.com/ Jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 17 09:43:19 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 15:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] metalurgy question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1800487180.146868.1305646999291.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> The texture you describe is called mill scale. It will come off with a sanding block & 180 grit or even a soft wheel on a 4" grinder but you need to be carefull with that and use as fine a grit as you can find with the grinder. Then you can dress it down as shiny as you want with 240, 320, 400 etc. I assume there is a bit of a divit which will require some sanding without the block. For heating metal with a torch you want to use a rose bud tip. A rose bud isn't as concentrated as a cutting tip. You should be able to reach inside the tube with a porting tool and conical emery cloth tips to get that as well. Jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 9:23:51 AM Subject: [Fot] metalurgy question Hi, I'm fettling a Falcon SS header for one of my TR6's. The installation pretty much requires that you make some reliefs in the downpipe so that you can install the hold-downs. No surprises there. Now, although I've been using an oxy-acetylene torch for 15 years, I've never actually trained on it's use, so I'm on new ground owing to the material - 304 stainless. I heated the tube area where it's to be relieved so that it's bright red. I then hammered the tube with various types of hammers to get the general shape I want. Again, no big deal. The issue / question is: when the tube cools down, it has a fairly rough texture to it. It's sort of grey-ish. I'm thinking that I may have overheated the surface and / or had the flame a tad (or extremely) on the "oxidizing" side if things. So, assuming that I was closer to "welding" than just reshaping, is it possible to bring the surface back to something that looks like tubing from the tube factory or should I just leave well enough alone? The eventual goal is to ceramic coat the header, if that has an bearing on the topic. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 17 09:59:51 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 11:59:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Free food and rest stop in Albuqueruque for Kastner cup travelers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDE2C296FB7763-ECC-1C56F@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> you mean we wouldnt have sleep on the floor and the yard like we made you do? -----Original Message----- From: Henry Morrison To: fot Sent: Tue, May 17, 2011 9:48 am Subject: [Fot] Free food and rest stop in Albuqueruque for Kastner cup travelers I'll put you up just 2 miles off I-40 in Cedar Crest, NM and feed you near Albuquerque if it helps anyone get to the event. We have a fairly private guest room with TV and bathroom and have. Come stop, eat, sleep and leave, I have leached off others on the list more than my fair share and wold be thrilled to help someone get to the event. (The downside might be listening to my endless BS). Cheers Henry Morrison, Near Albuquerque _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From cofrog at q.com Tue May 17 10:01:28 2011 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 12:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing in Hastings NE RMVR & HVR CO-SPONSORS In-Reply-To: <8CDE2BE4C0D815A-ECC-1B450@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <773077255.206794.1305648088279.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> I too find Monterey beyond my budget. So planning on running Hastings again this year after missing last year due to racing at Topeka. Always had a great time at Hasting and the track management is a hoot. Hope to see folks from HSR and CVAR among others attend. Dan Forgey ----- Original Message ----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 9:29:07 AM Subject: [Fot] Racing in Hastings NE RMVR & HVR CO-SPONSORS Thanks Jim, Presently we plan to be there. Seems like a good payback to be there, after all of the support we got from RMVR at last year's KCUP. Country Club track with nice facilities....I stopped by once to view the track. At the end of the day, it's the people that count.....should be pretty mellow. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Sent: Tue, May 17, 2011 9:59 am Subject: [Fot] Racing in Hastings NE FoT Heartland Vintage Racing is co-sponsoring our annual RMVR event at Hastings NE. this year. Anyway, since I can't afford the trip to Monterey this year I'm going to shoot for Hastings. It's the first weekend in September. I've never been to Hastings but everyone I know says it's a blast & they have all kinds of non-racing things going on too. This may be a second chance for some of us that can't make the K-Cup. Here are some linksB B B http://www.racemph.com/ B B B B B B B B http://rmvr.com/ Jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon May 16 13:37:42 2011 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <259808.29931.qm@web125708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I was there Saturday and Sunday. Saturday qualifying was on a damp track, with all the people sliding off, some very good driving, and un-nerving a Porsche driver at turn 14 on the second to the last lap; Tony was to have been 3rd on the grid for the race. Very few appeared to have any knowledge of a "rain line". However those running the event decided to massage the race grid due to the number of people who didn't qualify (I think they got something from the Porsche guys). Tony started about were he finished, 8th, behind a bunch of Porsches, a A-H 3000 and a Alfa or two. As I stated in another response John Hagen presented himself well; didn't hit any solid objects like others did; and even made a couple passes. Many commented that this was the worst weather ever for this event; I would but the weather in the worst three for this event,no snow flurries. Still beat cutting the grass. In your honor I did bring some wine and cheese on Saturday. While I can provide some respectable wine and cheese I can not provide your level of entertainment. Ernie ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 10:41:30 AM Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... Amici... Anyone have a report on last week end's vintage event at Road America? My grand daughter's graduation from North Dakota State prevented me from being there. It is the first one I ever missed. The weather was rather cool, and wet on Saturday. Pity, as the week prior was actually balmy, lots of sun and temperatures in the 70s and 80s. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon May 16 13:28:27 2011 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <690461.70246.qm@web125706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> John: They're just jealous. You may not have been fast in comparison to the Porsches but you were consistent and didn't finish last. At least that is what I saw while crewing for Tony and hiding from the wind. Ernie ________________________________ From: "jkhagen at charter.net" To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 12:57:44 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... My MG buddies would not talk to me they say I have gone to the dark side. John Hagen From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue May 17 18:56:32 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 20:56:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: <690461.70246.qm@web125706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: , <690461.70246.qm@web125706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I cant believe he hangs out with those MG folks, let alone tell us about it! :) Marty > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:28:27 -0700 > From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com > To: jkhagen at charter.net; BillDentin at aol.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... > > John: > > They're just jealous. > > Ernie > ________________________________ > From: "jkhagen at charter.net" > > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, > May 16, 2011 12:57:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road > America... > > My MG buddies would not talk to me they say I have gone to the > dark side. John > Hagen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Wed May 18 07:22:06 2011 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 08:22:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Items that need a home, I need race engine money!!!! Message-ID: Morning members< Here's a list of some goodies that I have that need a new home: - Slotted and Dimpled rotors for a stock Spitfire (Not GT6 rotors) New 60.00 for the pair. - Triumph1300 JE Forged pistons 0.030 over used but in excellent condition with pins and locks set of 4 $150.00 I have pics of these parts if you need to see them, just e mail me. I am not a fan of Pay Pal as the fees kill a lot of the dollars. Most of you know of me or at least know who I am so I prefer checks that can clear the bank and then I will ship the items. You will get the parts and they are as described. Offers if reasonable will be considered as well thanks!! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From jkhagen at charter.net Wed May 18 08:44:42 2011 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 10:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... Message-ID: <178ecf9.fa86.1300390d9de.Webtop.44@charter.net> Needed to come out of the closet! I started with MG powered TVR [also has lots of TR parts] going to TR-4 is like automotive diversification. My other car is a '32 Ford with Chev engine. My motto is "No Snivelling" John Hagen ps--Where are all the TR racers [RA May] had a dozen MGs' two TRs'! On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:56 PM, marty sukey wrote: I cant believe he hangs out with those MG folks, let alone tell us about it! :) Marty > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:28:27 -0700 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com To: > jkhagen at charter.net; BillDentin at aol.com CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... > John: > They're just jealous. > Ernie ________________________________ From: "jkhagen at charter.net" > To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 12:57:44 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage > Event at Road America... > My MG buddies would not talk to me they say I have gone to the dark > side. John Hagen _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From emanteno at comcast.net Wed May 18 08:49:41 2011 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 09:49:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: <178ecf9.fa86.1300390d9de.Webtop.44@charter.net> References: <178ecf9.fa86.1300390d9de.Webtop.44@charter.net> Message-ID: On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 9:44 AM, wrote: > ps--Where are all the TR racers [RA May] had a dozen MGs' two TRs'! > We're known for quality, not quantity. There were Road America regulars that weren't there for assorted reasons - graduation and/or other schedule conflicts, mechanical ills, budgetary constraints. At VIR last month, there were about 15 assorted TRiumph race cars. There were a lot less mg's. Keep coming out, you'll see more TRiumphs next time. From igofaster at att.net Wed May 18 10:42:58 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 09:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] which comes first, the Spitfire Racecar or the GT6 Racecar? Message-ID: <160660.98206.qm@web180804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In my struggle with depression I decided NOT to call my Doctor... (are you as tired as I am over those commercials?) .. Instead I'm gathering up my big boy britches and moving forward on both projects. GT6.. seems I have a block that was already line bored for cam bearings. I'll be on the hunt for putting that one together first. I can come back to the block that will need re - sleeved later in my depression recovery. Spitfire ... seems the 1965 Spitwad has a 1500 engine in it. Once I get it sort of dialed in, I'm sure CVAR will let me run it a few events with the non-period correct 1500. So... I'm in the hunt for a period correct 1296 (1300?) Spitfire engine. Isn't the small journal engine desired? High rev potential? Does anybody have a 1296 engine they would like to sell? TR6 ... driving the beauty up to Eagles Canyon Raceway this weekend to wrench, crew, whine, and drink beer and have a gathering of drunk nighthawks in the garage area when I break out the guitar for a round chorus of CoomBaYaa. Small Bore British Classic this weekend ... the Grandson of Healey will be there from England as well a gaggle of other British dignitaries ... should be fun ... even if I'm not racing... I'll be sleeping on the concrete with 5 other Triumphs! I've got 99972 miles on the TR6 so I think I'm going to set the GoPro on the roll bar and YouTube the 100,000 mile mark on the hills north of my house on FM730 early Friday morning headed up to ECR in Decatur Texas. Enjoy! Bobby Whitehead ... Triple Dose of Triumph 'har Doctor? From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 18 10:51:16 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 11:51:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] which comes first, the Spitfire Racecar or the GT6 Racecar? In-Reply-To: <160660.98206.qm@web180804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <160660.98206.qm@web180804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bobby, Do you want to take the Lemon's TR6 and piss off the CVAR brass? It's race ready......sort of. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 11:43 AM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] which comes first, the Spitfire Racecar or the GT6 Racecar? In my struggle with depression I decided NOT to call my Doctor... (are you as tired as I am over those commercials?) .. Instead I'm gathering up my big boy britches and moving forward on both projects. GT6.. seems I have a block that was already line bored for cam bearings. I'll be on the hunt for putting that one together first. I can come back to the block that will need re - sleeved later in my depression recovery. Spitfire ... seems the 1965 Spitwad has a 1500 engine in it. Once I get it sort of dialed in, I'm sure CVAR will let me run it a few events with the non-period correct 1500. So... I'm in the hunt for a period correct 1296 (1300?) Spitfire engine. Isn't the small journal engine desired? High rev potential? Does anybody have a 1296 engine they would like to sell? TR6 ... driving the beauty up to Eagles Canyon Raceway this weekend to wrench, crew, whine, and drink beer and have a gathering of drunk nighthawks in the garage area when I break out the guitar for a round chorus of CoomBaYaa. Small Bore British Classic this weekend ... the Grandson of Healey will be there from England as well a gaggle of other British dignitaries ... should be fun ... even if I'm not racing... I'll be sleeping on the concrete with 5 other Triumphs! I've got 99972 miles on the TR6 so I think I'm going to set the GoPro on the roll bar and YouTube the 100,000 mile mark on the hills north of my house on FM730 early Friday morning headed up to ECR in Decatur Texas. Enjoy! Bobby Whitehead ... Triple Dose of Triumph 'har Doctor? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Wed May 18 11:21:39 2011 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 10:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: <178ecf9.fa86.1300390d9de.Webtop.44@charter.net> References: <178ecf9.fa86.1300390d9de.Webtop.44@charter.net> Message-ID: <401480.26670.qm@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> John: As long as you have seen the light and come back from the Dark Side. Show up for the Blackhawk Farms Classic next month and you will see more TR's. Ernie ________________________________ From: "jkhagen at charter.net" To: marty sukey Cc: Ernie Husmann ; billdentin at aol.com; FOT Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 9:44:42 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... Needed to come out of the closet! I started with MG powered TVR [also has lots of TR parts] going to TR-4 is like automotive diversification. My other car is a '32 Ford with Chev engine. My motto is "No Snivelling" John Hagen ps--Where are all the TR racers [RA May] had a dozen MGs' two TRs'! On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:56 PM, marty sukey wrote: I cant believe he hangs out with those MG folks, let alone tell us about it! :) Marty > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:28:27 -0700 > From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com > To: jkhagen at charter.net; BillDentin at aol.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... > > John: > > They're just jealous. > > Ernie > ________________________________ > From: "jkhagen at charter.net" > > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, > May 16, 2011 12:57:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road > America... > > My MG buddies would not talk to me they say I have gone to the > dark side. John > Hagen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed May 18 11:42:38 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 12:42:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: <401480.26670.qm@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <178ecf9.fa86.1300390d9de.Webtop.44@charter.net> <401480.26670.qm@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Or come race with us next weekend at Blackhawk Farms with Midwestern Council. Sunday Memorial Day Weekend. So far two Triumphs... Me in my GT6 and Scott Barr in his Spitfire. This may be a good shakedown event as a full day of racing costs only $190. Practice, Qualifying, Race. Or if anyone else might have an interest http://www.mcscc.org/. click, schedules/ register Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Ernest Husmann wrote: > John: > > > Show up for the Blackhawk Farms Classic next month and you will see more. From herald948 at aol.com Wed May 18 12:22:07 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 14:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] which comes first, the Spitfire Racecar or the GT6 Racecar? In-Reply-To: <160660.98206.qm@web180804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <160660.98206.qm@web180804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDE39FA16C44D2-1C4C-40A9B@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead Spitfire ... seems the 1965 Spitwad has a 1500 engine in it. Once I get it sort of dialed in, I'm sure CVAR will let me run it a few events with the non-period correct 1500. So... I'm in the hunt for a period correct 1296 (1300?) Spitfire engine. Isn't the small journal engine desired? High rev potential? --Andy Mace ==AM== I admit that, as merely a retired Spitfire autocrosser and Herald nut, I know next to nothing about any of the sanctioning bodies and their rules. But a 1965 Spitfire (FC prefix if you still have a commission plate on it) would have had the 1147cc engine originally! *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed May 18 15:01:17 2011 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 17:01:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve Message-ID: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> I'm installing a dual circuit setup in my TR4, and based on a vendor suggestion I bought a 10# restrictor valve for the drums. However, after browsing the archives it appears that I shudda bought a restrictor for the disks. Damn, another backtrack. Is a restrictor for the disks warranted, instead of the drums? If so, I assume a 2# unit would be the correct size? TIA jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From billb at bnj.com Wed May 18 16:17:25 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 15:17:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve In-Reply-To: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> References: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <46ED1052-1B55-4ED0-A029-7DD91FC50FE7@bnj.com> You shouldn't need a residual pressure valve for the drums. I'm not sure what you have, if it's a variable restrictor it's for changing the front/rear bias then it might be useful, though I don't care much for them. You want a residual pressure regulator to keep the disk pucks from withdrawing too far when you let off the brake (the seal lip elasticity pulls them back). That isn't necessary with drums because you have mechanical adjustment of that. On May 18, 2011, at 2:01 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > I'm installing a dual circuit setup in my TR4, and based on a vendor suggestion I bought a 10# restrictor valve for the drums. However, after browsing the archives it appears that I shudda bought a restrictor for the disks. Damn, another backtrack. Is a restrictor for the disks warranted, instead of the drums? If so, I assume a 2# unit would be the correct size? > > TIA > > jim > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________\ From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed May 18 18:56:30 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 17:56:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve In-Reply-To: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> References: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <0b1301cc15bf$98103e80$c830bb80$@rr.com> > Is a restrictor for the disks > warranted, instead of the drums? If you are talking about a residual pressure valve, as the factory installed on earlier cars, then I would say No, you don't need it. Instead you need to install the uprated front axles and bearing spacers that were developed to solve the same problem WITHOUT having the brakes drag all the time. Not sure who all carries them, but TRF does. -- Randall From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Wed May 18 23:48:41 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 01:48:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Idle By Pass Diaphragms Message-ID: <14e95.6eeab6e7.3b060939@aol.com> Does anyone know if the idle by-pass valves are the same for the CD 175 and the CD 150 Stromberg carbs? TIA Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 19 02:37:01 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 10:37:01 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Have a look on Larry's cam In-Reply-To: <0b1301cc15bf$98103e80$c830bb80$@rr.com> References: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> <0b1301cc15bf$98103e80$c830bb80$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000b01cc15ff$edfe94f0$c9fbbed0$@com> http://www.youtube.com/v/lzl3CRhZVQw?hl=de&fs=1 Cheers Chris From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu May 19 09:36:49 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 11:36:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve In-Reply-To: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: We run a 1" Wilwood dual master unrestricted to front discs with a variable valve adjust in the line to the rear on the TR3A and it works great.... John H. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J.C. Hassall Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 5:01 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve I'm installing a dual circuit setup in my TR4, and based on a vendor suggestion I bought a 10# restrictor valve for the drums. However, after browsing the archives it appears that I shudda bought a restrictor for the disks. Damn, another backtrack. Is a restrictor for the disks warranted, instead of the drums? If so, I assume a 2# unit would be the correct size? TIA jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From billb at bnj.com Thu May 19 10:33:02 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 09:33:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Seems to be a bit of confusion here. Disk brakes generally need a residual pressure valve which keeps a bit of pressure on the pucks to prevent them from being withdrawn too much by seal elasticity. The stock brake system on all TRs I know of that have disks includes a residual pressure valve. If you replace that with a simple T for the front brake circuit you will need a residual pressure valve. Some master cylinders come with the residual pressure valve already installed, and you need to remove those if you're using it for back brakes or clutches (really bad for clutch, it may toast your thrust bearing). If you don't have a valve in the MC then you can add an inline residual pressure valve. A restrictor is totally different--it's used to adjust bias. It's not the best way to do that, a balance bar works much better since it doesn't change pedal effort and the adjustment can be made in both directions (though it's rare to need to increase rear braking), but restrictors are cheaper and easier. On May 19, 2011, at 8:36 AM, John Hasty wrote: > We run a 1" Wilwood dual master unrestricted to front discs with a variable > valve adjust in the line to the rear on the TR3A and it works great.... From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu May 19 12:07:26 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 11:07:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR2000] Idle By Pass Diaphragms References: <14e95.6eeab6e7.3b060939@aol.com> Message-ID: <22DC0B09B9C84CF1BE1811A0FF952581@Charly> This may have the answer you're looking for. http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ProductCategory.aspx?ParentId=24 Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; <6pack at autox.team.net> Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 10:48 PM Subject: [TR2000] Idle By Pass Diaphragms > Does anyone know if the idle by-pass valves are the same for the CD 175 > and > the CD 150 Stromberg carbs? > > TIA > Sam Clark > Green Country Triumphs > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From craigl at leinickegroup.com Thu May 19 16:12:32 2011 From: craigl at leinickegroup.com (Craig Leinicke) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 17:12:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues Message-ID: Looking for some help... After trailering our land speed TR7 900 miles to run at Maxton NC last weekend... an issue which we thought we had solved... re-appeared. On our first run the engine blew the head gasket in the number 4 cylinder when we shifted into 5th gear. The car still ran 105mph with one cylinder under water. This is a 12 to 1 compression engine and we have been using Hylomar sealant with a conventional high quality British head gasket with some success. All of our attempts to seal the head with a solid copper gasket have proved unsuccessful. We have contacted Cometic about a multi-layer steel gasket... But no deal. With an 1800 mile round trip tow to race and gas at over $4.00 per gallon, I need to eliminate this failure going forward. Thanks in Advance for your response. Craig Leinicke Flashback Racing www.flashbackracing.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu May 19 17:29:06 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 16:29:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0cba01cc167c$8ced00c0$a6c70240$@rr.com> > Disk brakes generally need a > residual > pressure valve which keeps a bit of pressure on the pucks to prevent > them from > being withdrawn too much by seal elasticity. In the case of the TR3-4, I believe it was done for a different reason: the front spindles flex enough under hard cornering to push the caliper pistons back and cause a low pedal on next application. I don't recall the change point offhand, but the factory deleted the RPV at some point (during TR4A production maybe). Having run for some 25 years with the RPV removed from an otherwise stock TR3A, I do not believe that seal flex is a significant issue with these calipers. But spindle flex definitely is. For my car and my driving (on the street), I find that I can just live with a low pedal after hard maneuvers. It's never been low enough to need a pump, just enough to be disconcerting if you aren't expecting it. I believe it was Jack Drews that came up with the spacer fix instead. -- Randall From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 19 19:11:51 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 21:11:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDE4A208C51E1B-81C-43395@webmail-d034.sysops.aol.com> cool! i cant help much, but see the TR7 and TR8 as a natural progression of vintage competition. i know that we have some interest in these cars on the list. let the support begin...... thanks for the post, Craig. -----Original Message----- From: Craig Leinicke To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, May 19, 2011 5:12 pm Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues Looking for some help... After trailering our land speed TR7 900 miles to run at Maxton NC last weekend... an issue which we thought we had solved... re-appeared. On our first run the engine blew the head gasket in the number 4 cylinder when we shifted into 5th gear. The car still ran 105mph with one cylinder under water. This is a 12 to 1 compression engine and we have been using Hylomar sealant with a conventional high quality British head gasket with some success. All of our attempts to seal the head with a solid copper gasket have proved unsuccessful. We have contacted Cometic about a multi-layer steel gasket... But no deal. With an 1800 mile round trip tow to race and gas at over $4.00 per gallon, I need to eliminate this failure going forward. Thanks in Advance for your response. Craig Leinicke Flashback Racing www.flashbackracing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Thu May 19 19:54:41 2011 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 21:54:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve In-Reply-To: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> References: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <4DD5C9E1.3000101@blacksburg.net> On 5/18/2011 5:01 PM, J.C. Hassall **stupidly** wrote: > I'm installing a dual circuit setup in my TR4, and based on a vendor > suggestion I bought a 10# restrictor valve for the drums. ... > Sorry folks, I had a brain fart when typing. As many respondents correctly assumed, I meant "residual pressure valve". That said, out of 9 data points there was no consensus about whether to use one in the disk circuit or not. In any case it seems like a good idea for me to get Uncle Jack's uprated front axle kit - something I should have already done. j -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu May 19 20:24:38 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 22:24:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003601cc1695$11c19820$3544c860$@rogers.com> You might try posting a question here, lots of knowledgeable people on this forum. Paul http://www.forum.triumphtr7.com/ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Craig Leinicke Sent: May 19, 2011 6:13 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues Looking for some help... After trailering our land speed TR7 900 miles to run at Maxton NC last weekend... an issue which we thought we had solved... re-appeared. On our first run the engine blew the head gasket in the number 4 cylinder when we shifted into 5th gear. The car still ran 105mph with one cylinder under water. This is a 12 to 1 compression engine and we have been using Hylomar sealant with a conventional high quality British head gasket with some success. All of our attempts to seal the head with a solid copper gasket have proved unsuccessful. We have contacted Cometic about a multi-layer steel gasket... But no deal. With an 1800 mile round trip tow to race and gas at over $4.00 per gallon, I need to eliminate this failure going forward. Thanks in Advance for your response. Craig Leinicke Flashback Racing www.flashbackracing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Fri May 20 02:45:55 2011 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 09:45:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve In-Reply-To: <0cba01cc167c$8ced00c0$a6c70240$@rr.com> References: <0cba01cc167c$8ced00c0$a6c70240$@rr.com> Message-ID: <0F719592-8CB2-45EB-9A71-D40F4F7F28E7@virgin.net> Hi all I run a dual circuit system and no external valves on Beastie and no problems with what I call 'pad knock off' , caused by the stub axle flexure. I'm currently using avast of the southwick fat alloy hubs and stub axles as they take much more of a pounding without the need for intervention, but prior to this I used the shim and conical washer kit that TR enterprises can supply. Big improvement over the standard set up as this stops the stub axle flexing quite a lot, so for most this might be enough. The fat hub kit with big stub axles removes the issue completely, no soft pedal or high bearing wear rate, no nylons flying off and 3 wheel motoring etc. So for me this was the way to go as my nerves get frayed quite enough as the scenery flies by very close . Regards Tony Sent from My iPhone On 20 May 2011, at 00:29, "Randall" wrote: >> Disk brakes generally need a >> residual >> pressure valve which keeps a bit of pressure on the pucks to prevent >> them from >> being withdrawn too much by seal elasticity. > > In the case of the TR3-4, I believe it was done for a different reason: the > front spindles flex enough under hard cornering to push the caliper pistons > back and cause a low pedal on next application. > > I don't recall the change point offhand, but the factory deleted the RPV at > some point (during TR4A production maybe). > > Having run for some 25 years with the RPV removed from an otherwise stock > TR3A, I do not believe that seal flex is a significant issue with these > calipers. But spindle flex definitely is. For my car and my driving (on > the street), I find that I can just live with a low pedal after hard > maneuvers. It's never been low enough to need a pump, just enough to be > disconcerting if you aren't expecting it. > > I believe it was Jack Drews that came up with the spacer fix instead. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri May 20 10:18:04 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 18:18:04 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Rear brakes In-Reply-To: <0F719592-8CB2-45EB-9A71-D40F4F7F28E7@virgin.net> References: <0cba01cc167c$8ced00c0$a6c70240$@rr.com> <0F719592-8CB2-45EB-9A71-D40F4F7F28E7@virgin.net> Message-ID: <000e01cc1709$823297c0$8697c740$@com> As we are talking about brakes. I bought a new rear hydraulics for the drums with a piston diameter of 3/4", to have more bias to the rear. I've installed that stuff and tried to fill the system with fluid when it started leaking very badly - they were new! I took them apart and found interesting things. 1. They are not 3/4" they are 1" in size 2. the manufactuer has forgot that rest inside the housing so that the piston is going too deep in, with its gasket past the bores of the connectors...that's why they leaked. Solution: I made on my lathe a 0.177" shim that is deep in that bore now and is the rest for the piston. Now it does work properly. But I have to reset my brake adjustment as I have now very much bias to the rear with such huge pistons. Cheers Chris From LOddTR at aol.com Fri May 20 17:38:26 2011 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 19:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] ANNOUNCEMENT: Triumph Ghetto 2011 Martha McDougal Trophy Winner Message-ID: <1bc0.46e5c286.3b085572@aol.com> After finally getting my engine together and completing it's break-in at speed, it has occurred to me we never announced our 2011 Martha McDougal Trophy winner to the wider Triumph racing community. After much deliberation, the TR Ghetto Award Committee selected Tony Drews as the winner of the Martha McDougal Trophy at this year's VDCA Wild Hare Run at VIR. Tony epitomizes the characteristics that Martha displayed daily at the factory in Coventry. He is known as a leader on the track, is always willing to lend a hand, or part, and has devoted his talents to developing parts that keep our cars going with improved performance and reliability. Above all, Tony is a TR guy that we all admire. Congratulations Tony! Best wishes for another successful race season. The TR Ghetto Martha McDougal Trophy Committee Don, Dean and Leo From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat May 21 07:59:44 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 09:59:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001b01cc17bf$56c0a580$0441f080$@rogers.com> Here is a suggestion from the TR7 Forum. Does anyone have experience with the copper head gasket and the sealing rings or even the grooves cut into the block? Anyplace in North America do this? Thanks Paul ------------------------------------------------------------- Contact Coltec Racing - they used to be Holbay Racing and they built the Formula 3 Sprint engines. http://coltecracing.com/ I was talking to one of them about 20 years ago and remember mention of grooves in the head/block as used here: http://www.ferriday.co.uk/copper/copper.shtml Quote: "A more aggressive sealing method is to machine a groove into the top of the block and inlay a piece of wire that protrudes to "bite" into the copper gasket. If a "receiver" groove is machined into the head the wire will push the copper into the head groove - this is very aggressive & very effective." -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Craig Leinicke Sent: May 19, 2011 6:13 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues Looking for some help... After trailering our land speed TR7 900 miles to run at Maxton NC last weekend... an issue which we thought we had solved... re-appeared. On our first run the engine blew the head gasket in the number 4 cylinder when we shifted into 5th gear. The car still ran 105mph with one cylinder under water. This is a 12 to 1 compression engine and we have been using Hylomar sealant with a conventional high quality British head gasket with some success. All of our attempts to seal the head with a solid copper gasket have proved unsuccessful. We have contacted Cometic about a multi-layer steel gasket... But no deal. With an 1800 mile round trip tow to race and gas at over $4.00 per gallon, I need to eliminate this failure going forward. Thanks in Advance for your response. Craig Leinicke Flashback Racing www.flashbackracing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat May 21 10:30:50 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 09:30:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues In-Reply-To: <001b01cc17bf$56c0a580$0441f080$@rogers.com> References: <001b01cc17bf$56c0a580$0441f080$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <075101cc17d4$72f2eb90$0301a8c0@randall> Any good "high performance" machine shop should be able to O-ring the block for you. It's more commonly done on heads, but the operation is the same. I use a simpler approach on my TR3 (which has mis-cut liner seats). It works well for me, but I don't know how well it would work on a TR7 motor. http://tinyurl.com/2f6lvq5 http://tinyurl.com/3m2tzp3 -- Randall From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sat May 21 16:39:46 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 18:39:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit upright replacement (?) Message-ID: <76B95C06-CF22-42A3-9D44-DEFEE9FACED6@aol.com> Amici I was just going threw some of my stock spit parts and I just so happened up look at my friends TR6. Is it possible to use a TR6 upright/brake/spindle? I know the trunion, ball joint are wider and the whole upright is about an inch or so taller. But is the TR6 a stronger unit? Is it worthwhile to do it? From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat May 21 18:33:00 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 10:33:00 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Re TR7 Head Gasket Issues Message-ID: on the dolomite sprint (16V version of that engine, same block), we have previously machined O rings into the block to solve this problem. Use 0.75mm MIG wire with 0,25mm protruding. The real tricks are to make sure the ring is perfectly concentric with the bore and it sits on the gaskets metal fire ring. If i recall correctly, we got a gasket specially made with a wider than stock fire ring to allow this to happen. Terry From BillDentin at aol.com Sun May 22 09:15:06 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 11:15:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 Radiator issues... Message-ID: <5b68.ecfc529.3b0a827a@aol.com> Amici... Bob Wismer asked me to send a Thank You Note out to all who came forward with ideas for replacing the radiator in his TR4 race car. He appreciated getting the numerous suggested solutions from which he could pick the one that fit him the best. He has ordered a custom radiator from WIZARD COOLING and will also have an original radiator re-cored as a spare. Thanks again. Bill Dentinger and Bob Wismer From billb at bnj.com Sun May 22 10:39:00 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 09:39:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cheap to a good home In-Reply-To: <075101cc17d4$72f2eb90$0301a8c0@randall> References: <001b01cc17bf$56c0a580$0441f080$@rogers.com> <075101cc17d4$72f2eb90$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <808E25E2-A79B-4B57-8115-F9199E5C26FB@bnj.com> We're starting to move the last stuff from our Portland home, and I'm looking at the old cheater TR3 and wondering what to do with it. Answer--get rid of it. It's basically a frame and most of a body with a really good roll cage and a lot of alternative parts. There's all the ultralight fiberglass body parts and light frame to hang them off if someone wanted to build a NASCAR Triumph. Not sure where you could race it, but it's an option, then there's a bunch of steel body parts (not complete, but very close) if someone wanted to build a steel, legal race car. I'd sell it with a rear end or two, miscellaneous parts, three TR3 transmissions, driveshafts, etc. From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Sun May 22 21:19:03 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 23:19:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 Alternator Message-ID: <57fe6.274bf77.3b0b2c27@aol.com> I have a MKIII GT6 and was looking at the Bentley manual this evening trying to do some research on the alternator and the only thing in the book gives the info but is all says not for GT6. What's up with that? It is a GT6 manual after all. Any help? Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun May 22 22:12:44 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 21:12:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Alternator In-Reply-To: <57fe6.274bf77.3b0b2c27@aol.com> References: <57fe6.274bf77.3b0b2c27@aol.com> Message-ID: <09e001cc18ff$aae3ba80$0301a8c0@randall> It means except a "Mk I" GT6 (except of course it wasn't called "Mk I", just "GT6"). And that is because the early ones had a generator instead of an alternator. If you look earlier in the book, I think you'll find the generator section marked "GT6 only". -- Randall From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 23 12:58:40 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 18:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank plugs Message-ID: <570863583.375426.1306177120637.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT, It seems like every time I use loctite of any kind on the crank plugs they have to be drilled out. Just looking for some input on loctite & crank plugs. Thanks as always, Jim G. From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Mon May 23 15:38:39 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 07:38:39 +1000 Subject: [Fot] spitfire front uprights wanted Message-ID: can anyone help with some used late model spitfire front uprights and matching steering arms. the ones i want have the steering arms bolted on the outside, bot thru a hole in the upright like early cars & GT6. dont care if thread at bottom is worn as it will be modified for a race use. dont need trunnions thanks., Terry From igofaster at att.net Mon May 23 20:00:24 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 19:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto Message-ID: <415078.67520.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Just an update of the CVAR weekend and Eagles Canyon for the F.o.T. The Southern Region of the Triumph Ghetto was in full force at Eagles Canyon this past weekend. Robert 'Fireball' Kramer's beautiful TR4 was flawless and fast. Bob Blake finally got his TR4 dialed in by Sunday morning. Seems the condenser wasn't grounded out well. Joe Hovey spun a bearing or two in the Spitwad. Greg Blake either broke a crank on his lovely TR3 or the flywheel came loose. Bill Collins finally got his little Spitwad dialed in. I drove our street TR6 up Saturday morning and turned 100,000 miles on FM 730 headed to Azle Texas. I GOPRO'd the event in the thickest fog or humidity I've seen here in a while. I'll try to YOUTUBE it. The GT6 was broke but I still wrenched, crewed, drank beer, camped, and whined with the best of them. Call it an historic weekend as Steve Coleman paid all expenses for Clive Baker and the grandson and great-grandson of Healey (Austin Healey) came over to participate in our small British event on Saturday. The offspring of Healey had never raced and Steve Coleman paid for 3 days track time at VIR for these two to get their novice licenses. Pinnacle group rented ECR Thursday and Clive Baker was reunited with the Daytona coupe Healey he drove at Dayton in the late 60's. Steve Coleman has 2 of the 3 factory Healeys that were manual fuel injected, one beautiful coupe, and one roadster. So for the small bore classic we had 48 cars on the track, Clive Baker, and Healey's grandson in a members Sprite and the great-grandson in the Healey roadster. I was passenger in the XKE V12 roadster pace car and got some really nice shots of the front 20 or so cars. Stay tuned, I'll photo bucket them or something. Bobby Whitehead From igofaster at att.net Mon May 23 20:06:50 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 19:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto Tee Shirts Message-ID: <794291.81969.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Speaking of Triumph Ghetto... has anyone thought of putting together some nice tee shirts for the group? Steve Coleman and the Storage 105 guys made up 250 really, really nice tee shirts for our small bore event last weekend in color. Some color photos of one of the Daytona Healeys was done along with some time capsule black and white photos of Clive Baker and a couple other Healeys. They are medium grey and turned out really well. When I arrived at ECR last weekend we had some small traffic cones marking of our spaces TRIUMPH GHETTO and the two made me think of this idea. Of course if no one has and there is some interest, I may do some up if they can punch out. I make up some for my store and I think they are 5 colors and a decent shirt with silk screen runs about $8.00 a shirt, cost... Bobby Whitehead Pawn Star of CVAR From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 23 20:18:25 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 22:18:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto In-Reply-To: <415078.67520.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <415078.67520.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDE7CFFF547025-2C4-6C0C@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> thanks for taking the time to do a race report... it keeps everyone in touch and information has a chance to flow nicely. knowing the failure modes is good communication, too. How does the RMVR event at Hastings look for the CVAR guys and Triumphs specifically? Some of us have our eye out for another FOT gathering before the end of the year. VIR was great, Leguna will be very cool. Perhaps Hastings' RMVR event in the Heartland will complete the geography. -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 9:00 pm Subject: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto Just an update of the CVAR weekend and Eagles Canyon for the F.o.T. The Southern Region of the Triumph Ghetto was in full force at Eagles Canyon this past weekend. Robert 'Fireball' Kramer's beautiful TR4 was flawless and fast. Bob Blake finally got his TR4 dialed in by Sunday morning. Seems the condenser wasn't grounded out well. Joe Hovey spun a bearing or two in the Spitwad. Greg Blake either broke a crank on his lovely TR3 or the flywheel came loose. Bill Collins finally got his little Spitwad dialed in. I drove our street TR6 up Saturday morning and turned 100,000 miles on FM 730 headed to Azle Texas. I GOPRO'd the event in the thickest fog or humidity I've seen here in a while. I'll try to YOUTUBE it. The GT6 was broke but I still wrenched, crewed, drank beer, camped, and whined with the best of them. Call it an historic weekend as Steve Coleman paid all expenses for Clive Baker and the grandson and great-grandson of Healey (Austin Healey) came over to participate in our small British event on Saturday. The offspring of Healey had never raced and Steve Coleman paid for 3 days track time at VIR for these two to get their novice licenses. Pinnacle group rented ECR Thursday and Clive Baker was reunited with the Daytona coupe Healey he drove at Dayton in the late 60's. Steve Coleman has 2 of the 3 factory Healeys that were manual fuel injected, one beautiful coupe, and one roadster. So for the small bore classic we had 48 cars on the track, Clive Baker, and Healey's grandson in a members Sprite and the great-grandson in the Healey roadster. I was passenger in the XKE V12 roadster pace car and got some really nice shots of the front 20 or so cars. Stay tuned, I'll photo bucket them or something. Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com = From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Mon May 23 20:25:52 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 22:25:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto Tee Shirts Message-ID: <880d3.41295fb.3b0c7130@aol.com> Count me in, Bobby. Sam Clark In a message dated 5/23/2011 9:07:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, igofaster at att.net writes: Speaking of Triumph Ghetto... has anyone thought of putting together some nice tee shirts for the group? Steve Coleman and the Storage 105 guys made up 250 really, really nice tee shirts for our small bore event last weekend in color. Some color photos of one of the Daytona Healeys was done along with some time capsule black and white photos of Clive Baker and a couple other Healeys. They are medium grey and turned out really well. When I arrived at ECR last weekend we had some small traffic cones marking of our spaces TRIUMPH GHETTO and the two made me think of this idea. Of course if no one has and there is some interest, I may do some up if they can punch out. I make up some for my store and I think they are 5 colors and a decent shirt with silk screen runs about $8.00 a shirt, cost... Bobby Whitehead Pawn Star of CVAR _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 23 20:38:14 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 22:38:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: <794291.81969.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <794291.81969.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDE7D2C42EC1E0-2C4-72B5@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> cool bobby! it's been awhile since we had a big tee shirt run. this is a huge undertaking. Schumacher helped up with an array of shirts for Watkins Glen coordinated by the SUKEYS? Hilyer did one for Heartland Park. we have no Kastner Cup Tee-Shirt planned for Laguna Seca. (sometimes these great ideas just need a rest.) however, if a couple folks got their heads together, there is enough time to do one for the 10th running of the Kastner Cup in combination with the 60th anniversary of Triumphs in Competition. this is in 2012. next May, actually. the artwork could be used for the next Kastner Cup Poster, as well as the shirts. we have enough talent and resources in the FOT to do a great job....it just takes the right volunteers who are able to get the job done. i think i know an artist. SOME SHIRTS FOR THE 2012 FOT GATHERING would be a worthy undertaking. -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 9:06 pm Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto Tee Shirts Speaking of Triumph Ghetto... has anyone thought of putting together some nice tee shirts for the group? Steve Coleman and the Storage 105 guys made up 250 really, really nice tee shirts for our small bore event last weekend in color. Some color photos of one of the Daytona Healeys was done along with some time capsule black and white photos of Clive Baker and a couple other Healeys. They are medium grey and turned out really well. When I arrived at ECR last weekend we had some small traffic cones marking of our spaces TRIUMPH GHETTO and the two made me think of this idea. Of course if no one has and there is some interest, I may do some up if they can punch out. I make up some for my store and I think they are 5 colors and a decent shirt with silk screen runs about $8.00 a shirt, cost... Bobby Whitehead Pawn Star of CVAR _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Mon May 23 21:24:26 2011 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 20:24:26 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] VARA Buttonwillow Message-ID: <7105257.1306207466780.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi FOT, I am Joe Siam the Co Chair for VARAs British Extravaganza this 4-5 June 2011. I would like to have all of us with our cars get together for a picture on the pre grid after Saturdays challenge races. I am thinking around 4:15 with should be around 20-30 after the challenge races. That will give you time to get a cool beverage. I will firm up the when and where and let you know on Saturday. Also if someone is interested in doing a little write up on the race weekend let me know. Thanks Joe Siam Chequered Flag Racing .net Joseph P. Siam 9833 Deering Ave unit I Chatsworth Ca 91311 818 350 6222 From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon May 23 21:43:46 2011 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 22:43:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto In-Reply-To: <8CDE7CFFF547025-2C4-6C0C@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> References: <415078.67520.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CDE7CFFF547025-2C4-6C0C@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001601cc19c4$c95d2170$5c176450$@rr.com> I'll keep yall posted. This was race weekend #9 on this build. I shift at 5500 rpm and oil pressure was 80 psi when all hell broke loose. I should have the chance to pull the engine in the next two weeks. I'd like to see the collective experience with crank failures. Specifically how long did they last and root cause if known. I'd like data to help figure out if using a stock crank should I be expecting a failure on a regular frequency. That might convince me to spend a few grand for a stronger crank up front. Stay tuned. BTW... It broke after taking the checker in race 1 Saturday morning. At least I beat all the other VA and VB guys. The timing of the failure was unfortunate because I missed racing Bob Kramer, Bill Collins, and my Dad (+ 2 Morgan guys Duncan and Pierce(SP?)) in the small bore festival race. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:18 PM To: igofaster at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto thanks for taking the time to do a race report... it keeps everyone in touch and information has a chance to flow nicely. knowing the failure modes is good communication, too. How does the RMVR event at Hastings look for the CVAR guys and Triumphs specifically? Some of us have our eye out for another FOT gathering before the end of the year. VIR was great, Leguna will be very cool. Perhaps Hastings' RMVR event in the Heartland will complete the geography. -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 9:00 pm Subject: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto Just an update of the CVAR weekend and Eagles Canyon for the F.o.T. The Southern Region of the Triumph Ghetto was in full force at Eagles Canyon this past weekend. Robert 'Fireball' Kramer's beautiful TR4 was flawless and fast. Bob Blake finally got his TR4 dialed in by Sunday morning. Seems the condenser wasn't grounded out well. Joe Hovey spun a bearing or two in the Spitwad. Greg Blake either broke a crank on his lovely TR3 or the flywheel came loose. Bill Collins finally got his little Spitwad dialed in. I drove our street TR6 up Saturday morning and turned 100,000 miles on FM 730 headed to Azle Texas. I GOPRO'd the event in the thickest fog or humidity I've seen here in a while. I'll try to YOUTUBE it. The GT6 was broke but I still wrenched, crewed, drank beer, camped, and whined with the best of them. Call it an historic weekend as Steve Coleman paid all expenses for Clive Baker and the grandson and great-grandson of Healey (Austin Healey) came over to participate in our small British event on Saturday. The offspring of Healey had never raced and Steve Coleman paid for 3 days track time at VIR for these two to get their novice licenses. Pinnacle group rented ECR Thursday and Clive Baker was reunited with the Daytona coupe Healey he drove at Dayton in the late 60's. Steve Coleman has 2 of the 3 factory Healeys that were manual fuel injected, one beautiful coupe, and one roadster. So for the small bore classic we had 48 cars on the track, Clive Baker, and Healey's grandson in a members Sprite and the great-grandson in the Healey roadster. I was passenger in the XKE V12 roadster pace car and got some really nice shots of the front 20 or so cars. Stay tuned, I'll photo bucket them or something. Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com = _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From ac at camoletti.ch Tue May 24 03:27:58 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 11:27:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] "KASTNER powered by American Explosives "T-SHIRT Message-ID: <003501cc19f4$ded075e0$9c7161a0$@camoletti.ch> Amici ! AS I am a newbie in the FOT list, I may have missed id : was at some point the fantastic T-shirt, "KASTNER. powered by American Explosives" re-made ? You may remember it appears in one of the books and is terrific, looking on the back like this: KASTNER KASTNER KASTNER KASTNER KASTNER powered by American Explosives This is a great one ! Cheers! Alex 1959 TR3A long distance road racing From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue May 24 06:25:05 2011 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 05:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: <794291.81969.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <610645.16130.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bobby: Since Josh and I were the last of the group to leave I picked up the cones for future Southern Region ghetto's. If we can come up with some artwork I will sponser the shirts with you. I also have "a man" that does my shirts for the shop and we can compare prices. I'm going to be building the engine for the Lemons car for TMS. Not sure if you'll be sponsering again, but perhaps we can do team shirts for that too. Everybody loves shirts! -Ed- --- On Mon, 5/23/11, Bobby Whitehead wrote: From: Bobby Whitehead Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto Tee Shirts To: "FoT Triumph" Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 9:06 PM Speaking of Triumph Ghetto... has anyone thought of putting together some nice tee shirts for the group? Steve Coleman and the Storage 105 guys made up 250 really, really nice tee shirts for our small bore event last weekend in color. Some color photos of one of the Daytona Healeys was done along with some time capsule black and white photos of Clive Baker and a couple other Healeys. They are medium grey and turned out really well. When I arrived at ECR last weekend we had some small traffic cones marking of our spaces TRIUMPH GHETTO and the two made me think of this idea. Of course if no one has and there is some interest, I may do some up if they can punch out. I make up some for my store and I think they are 5 colors and a decent shirt with silk screen runs about $8.00 a shirt, cost... Bobby Whitehead Pawn Star of CVAR _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue May 24 07:40:01 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 09:40:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: <8CDE7D2C42EC1E0-2C4-72B5@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> References: <794291.81969.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <8CDE7D2C42EC1E0-2C4-72B5@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I was involved with some FOT shirt projects but I don't think I can take credit for those nice Glen shirts. Scott maybe? Then again, I don't remember what I had for breakfast this morning so it could have been me, ya never know. Marty > > Schumacher helped up with an array of shirts for Watkins Glen coordinated by > the SUKEYS? From sjanzen at me.com Tue May 24 07:47:44 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 09:47:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: References: <794291.81969.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CDE7D2C42EC1E0-2C4-72B5@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: yep, that was me for coordination of design, quantities and sizes, getting everybody's orders, Ted S for getting them made, bringing them to the Glen and processing payments, and Greg Petrolati did the hard part - the artwork. BTW, we used the words "Triumphs at the Glen" on the shirts, which the track complained about. Apparently "the Glen" was trademarked! On May 24, 2011, at 9:40 AM, marty sukey wrote: I was involved with some FOT shirt projects but I don't think I can take credit for those nice Glen shirts. Scott maybe? Then again, I don't remember what I had for breakfast this morning so it could have been me, ya never know. Marty > > Schumacher helped up with an array of shirts for Watkins Glen coordinated by > the SUKEYS? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From chasgee at aol.com Tue May 24 08:50:33 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 11:50:33 -0300 Subject: [Fot] "KASTNER powered by American Explosives "T-SHIRT In-Reply-To: <003501cc19f4$ded075e0$9c7161a0$@camoletti.ch> References: <003501cc19f4$ded075e0$9c7161a0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <4b147cbe-2bd2-4c4b-a604-232a87bf6701@blur> Yes, I re-made the shirts for the 2007 Kastner cup event. All of the entrants received one with their entry. Chuck Gee Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Alexandre Camoletti To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 09:33:30 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] "KASTNER powered by American Explosives "T-SHIRT Amici ! AS I am a newbie in the FOT list, I may have missed id : was at some point the fantastic T-shirt, "KASTNER. powered by American Explosives" re-made ? You may remember it appears in one of the books and is terrific, looking on the back like this: KASTNER KASTNER KASTNER KASTNER KASTNER powered by American Explosives This is a great one ! Cheers! Alex 1959 TR3A long distance road racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 24 08:52:31 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 10:52:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: References: <794291.81969.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><8CDE7D2C42EC1E0-2C4-72B5@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDE83957A222E1-1164-7D55@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> yes! SCOTT JANZEN sorry about that.......it was an 'awesome' effort by all involved. Ken Gano and I both had our 'Glen' shirts on a recent wine tour and Ken didnt even call me. The Glen was an FOT pinnacle in planning. It was HUGE. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: marty sukey Cc: Joe Alexander ; igofaster at att.net; FOT Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 8:47 am Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT Triumph Tee Shirts yep, that was me for coordination of design, quantities and sizes, getting everybody's orders, Ted S for getting them made, bringing them to the Glen and processing payments, and Greg Petrolati did the hard part - the artwork. BTW, we used the words "Triumphs at the Glen" on the shirts, which the track complained about. Apparently "the Glen" was trademarked! On May 24, 2011, at 9:40 AM, marty sukey wrote: I was involved with some FOT shirt projects but I don't think I can take credit for those nice Glen shirts. Scott maybe? Then again, I don't remember what I had for breakfast this morning so it could have been me, ya never know. Marty Schumacher helped up with an array of shirts for Watkins Glen coordinated by the SUKEYS? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com = From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue May 24 09:22:13 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 10:22:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto In-Reply-To: <001601cc19c4$c95d2170$5c176450$@rr.com> References: <415078.67520.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CDE7CFFF547025-2C4-6C0C@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> <001601cc19c4$c95d2170$5c176450$@rr.com> Message-ID: <18C7D48E-65CB-4604-8C3E-24F8F83FF484@gmail.com> I found Trevor Bond's in-car video (shot from his Mini Cooper) which shows a lot of the back end of Bob Kramer's TR4. It gives a decent look at the nature of the track. It starts in turn 11 just before the green. http://tinyurl.com/3wpaoj5 Unfortunately it shuts off too early and doesn't capture the checkered flag. I didn't get to see any of this, of course. I was pretty far back, ending up 25th in the #6 Morgan, having picked up 3 places, with Piers 30th in the #94 Morgan, having picked up one position. I thought we did OK for a couple of rookies. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 red #6 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bobby Whitehead > To: FoT Triumph > Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 9:00 pm > Subject: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto > > > Just an update of the CVAR weekend and Eagles Canyon for the F.o.T. The > Southern Region of the Triumph Ghetto was in full force at Eagles Canyon > this > past weekend. Robert 'Fireball' Kramer's beautiful TR4 was flawless and > fast. > Bob Blake finally got his TR4 dialed in by Sunday morning. Seems the > condenser > wasn't grounded out well. Joe Hovey spun a bearing or two in the Spitwad. > Greg > Blake either broke a crank on his lovely TR3 or the flywheel came loose. > Bill > Collins finally got his little Spitwad dialed in. I drove our street TR6 up > Saturday morning and turned 100,000 miles on FM 730 headed to Azle Texas. I > GOPRO'd the event in the thickest fog or humidity I've seen here in a while. > I'll try to YOUTUBE it. The GT6 was broke but I still wrenched, crewed, > drank > beer, camped, and whined with the best of them. > Call it an historic weekend as Steve Coleman paid all expenses for Clive > Baker > and the grandson and great-grandson of Healey (Austin Healey) came over to > participate in our small British event on Saturday. The offspring of Healey > had > never raced and Steve Coleman paid for 3 days track time at VIR for these > two > to > > get their novice licenses. Pinnacle group rented ECR Thursday and Clive > Baker > was reunited with the Daytona coupe Healey he drove at Dayton in the late > 60's. > Steve Coleman has 2 of the 3 factory Healeys that were manual fuel injected, > one > > beautiful coupe, and one roadster. > > So for the small bore classic we had 48 cars on the track, Clive Baker, and > Healey's grandson in a members Sprite and the great-grandson in the Healey > roadster. I was passenger in the XKE V12 roadster pace car and got some > really > nice shots of the front 20 or so cars. Stay tuned, I'll photo bucket them or > something. > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > = > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From cofrog at q.com Tue May 24 11:06:38 2011 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers Message-ID: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Any opinions on the legality of hood louvers on a TR4?B Would the legality depend on the GCR you are using?B What about configuring the hood so that when it's closed it has an opening between it and the scuttle to let air escape instead of louvers? Thanks, DAn From tr4.tony at virgin.net Tue May 24 11:34:31 2011 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 18:34:31 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers In-Reply-To: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <1547FE1A-2B2C-47F9-AB3D-72EE929FA6FB@virgin.net> Hi I've found that the hot spots in the TR4 are quite peculiar and the solution isn't entirely obvious when you get down to it. In the uk and for msa / fia sanctioned events you may not get away with louvres, or indeed even a gap at the rear of the bonnet as this needs to be sealed as oe against risk of fire (!) Silhouette modifications such as louvres are forbidden as i understand (as are oil cooler vents in the lower valance as per TR5 and 250) and whats more they are not really very effective as the heat spots on the TR4 are at the back of the engine and low down under the exhaust manifolds, not on the top of the engine where louvres might pull air from. Having said that I've run my bonnet open at the rear by about an inch, resting up on the pins using wire u brackets engaging through extra holes in the pins (and haven't been told off. (yet)) This does help as the gap is long enough to pull enough air and create a vacuum at the back of the engine bay which sucks air from inside and by the hot bits. A better solution as ive found on Beastie is to run the works style wing vents and duct air from the BOTTOM of the engine bay up to them on either side ..... That way you get air moving not eddying round the exhaust manifold (particularly) Ducting the radiator better helps too and running longer duct sides down to the chassis rails with upswept tubes connected in (plus brake ducting if you can) to allow air up from the front of the car works well too. The above does NOT work with a full length sumpguard ..... So for rallying more thought is needed. It does if you blank the vents over and make the air flow out past the gearbox .... Great in the winter, less good in the summer ..... And bad for the glue on the soles of your pretty boots and starts to cause all sorts of gearbox overheating issues, which are another story and another series of mods to deal with. Email me I you want pictures ..... It's all solvable. As the Man says, never be beaten by equipment ..... Regards Tony Sent from My iPhone On 24 May 2011, at 18:06, cofrog at q.com wrote: > Any opinions on the legality of hood louvers on a TR4?B Would the legality > depend on the GCR you are using?B What about configuring the hood so that > when it's closed it has an opening between it and the scuttle to let air > escape instead of louvers? > > > > Thanks, > > > > DAn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 24 11:43:13 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:43:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers In-Reply-To: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <8CDE851308A9E85-1E20-26B5F@webmail-stg-d14.sysops.aol.com> sometimes corner workers see the hood gap and think it is adrift. we hole sawed the firewall and replaced the scuttle vent door with a TR6 vent. it is a closed chamber behind the firewall and theoretically additional air from the engine compartment departs through the vent. we also ran a cold air duct from the front of the car and terminated the duct in front of the carbs. probably does little, but it is all cheap and easy to do. -----Original Message----- From: cofrog at q.com To: triumph fot Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 12:06 pm Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers Any opinions on the legality of hood louvers on a TR4?B Would the legality depend on the GCR you are using?B What about configuring the hood so that when it's closed it has an opening between it and the scuttle to let air escape instead of louvers? Thanks, DAn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue May 24 11:46:44 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 12:46:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers In-Reply-To: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: To the best of my knowledge they were never allowed under a vintage GCR. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of cofrog at q.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:07 PM To: triumph fot Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers Any opinions on the legality of hood louvers on a TR4?B Would the legality depend on the GCR you are using?B What about configuring the hood so that when it's closed it has an opening between it and the scuttle to let air escape instead of louvers? Thanks, DAn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 24 11:54:13 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:54:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination & Question for a friend In-Reply-To: <000401cc1a2f$42abeb50$c803c1f0$@rr.com> References: <000401cc1a2f$42abeb50$c803c1f0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CDE852B9DA232D-1E20-26D00@webmail-stg-d14.sysops.aol.com> affirmed here....dont know about aluminum flywheels no reports of problems on steel ones, fortunately. -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: 'William Rampe' ; 'Henry Frye' ; 'Donn Sopp' ; 'Don Marshall' ; 'Brad Kahler' ; spitfiresuz at 141.com; 'Bruce Stutzman' ; 'Jeff Snook' ; 'Joe Alexander' Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 11:25 am Subject: Nomination & Question for a friend This is twofold; FOT NOMINATION: First I would like to present Bill Rampe from the Rochester, NY area for membership to the great unwashed and get him added to the list. Bill races a Spitfire and has recently upgraded to an FE engine from a FC (thatbs Spitfire talk for more power!). Bill is good people and can always be seen with a grin from ear to ear after a good ride. Many of us have spent time with him at Mosport; Watkins Glen and Summit Point. So, if I can get a second on this we can include him in our ranks and prattle. An honor to call him friend! -------- Second is a question I pose on Billbs behalf. He had a flywheel failure at The Jefferson 500 where it sounds as though the center of the aluminum flywheel broke apart. He has a new bFidenzab aluminum flywheel on the shelf and is wondering if anyone has any experience with them before he uses it on his rebuild. I have used Tiltons in the past and also uprated the attachment to eight socket head cap screws. Any input out there from those racing. Webre not talking street car stuff here please. Huge differences between a 4000rpm street ride and an 8000rpm race engine! Thanks from Bill (wmrampe at yahoo.com) Russ Moore Spitfire #49 = From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Tue May 24 12:54:27 2011 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 14:54:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination & Question for a friend Message-ID: <002c01cc1a44$020a9cd0$061fd670$@rr.com> (resent due to prior error message) This is twofold; FOT NOMINATION: First I would like to present Bill Rampe from the Rochester, NY area for membership to the great unwashed and get him added to the list. Bill races a Spitfire and has recently upgraded to an FE engine from a FC (that's Spitfire talk for more power!). Bill is good people and can always be seen with a grin from ear to ear after a good ride. Many of us have spent time with him at Mosport; Watkins Glen and Summit Point. So, if I can get a second on this we can include him in our ranks and prattle. An honor to call him friend! -------- Second is a question I pose on Bill's behalf. He had a flywheel failure at The Jefferson 500 where it sounds as though the center of the aluminum flywheel broke apart. He has a new "Fidenza" aluminum flywheel on the shelf and is wondering if anyone has any experience with them before he uses it on his rebuild. I have used Tiltons in the past and also uprated the attachment to eight socket head cap screws. Any input out there from those racing. We're not talking street car stuff here please. Huge differences between a 4000rpm street ride and an 8000rpm race engine! Thanks from Bill (wmrampe at yahoo.com) Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From sgroh1 at comcast.net Tue May 24 13:41:06 2011 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:41:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination & Question for a friend In-Reply-To: <002c01cc1a44$020a9cd0$061fd670$@rr.com> References: <002c01cc1a44$020a9cd0$061fd670$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4ADB6824-15F7-47CE-88FE-3AF27F5FEB26@comcast.net> I'd be honored to second this nomination! Bill is a great guy, helpful in the pits, eager to learn and has the right attitude! Russ got it right! Steve Groh Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2011, at 12:54 PM, "Spitfire Racing" wrote: > (resent due to prior error message) > > > > This is twofold; > > FOT NOMINATION: > > First I would like to present Bill Rampe from the Rochester, NY area > for > membership to the great unwashed and get him added to the list. Bill > races a > Spitfire and has recently upgraded to an FE engine from a FC (that's > Spitfire talk for more power!). Bill is good people and can always > be seen > with a grin from ear to ear after a good ride. Many of us have > spent time > with him at Mosport; Watkins Glen and Summit Point. > > So, if I can get a second on this we can include him in our ranks and > prattle. An honor to call him friend! > > -------- > > Second is a question I pose on Bill's behalf. He had a flywheel > failure at > The Jefferson 500 where it sounds as though the center of the aluminum > flywheel broke apart. He has a new "Fidenza" aluminum flywheel on > the shelf > and is wondering if anyone has any experience with them before he > uses it on > his rebuild. I have used Tiltons in the past and also uprated the > attachment > to eight socket head cap screws. Any input out there from those > racing. > We're not talking street car stuff here please. Huge differences > between a > 4000rpm street ride and an 8000rpm race engine! > > > > Thanks from Bill (wmrampe at yahoo.com) > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1 at comcast.net From sgroh1 at comcast.net Tue May 24 13:42:48 2011 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:42:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Nomination & Question for a friend References: <4ADB6824-15F7-47CE-88FE-3AF27F5FEB26@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6FD54B88-B5B5-427D-91F5-7214DCDE8121@comcast.net> Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Steven Groh > Date: May 24, 2011 1:41:06 PM MDT > To: Spitfire Racing > Cc: "" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination & Question for a friend > > I'd be honored to second this nomination! Bill is a great guy, > helpful in the pits, eager to learn and has the right attitude! > Russ got it right! > > Steve Groh > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 24, 2011, at 12:54 PM, "Spitfire Racing" > wrote: > >> (resent due to prior error message) >> >> >> >> This is twofold; >> >> FOT NOMINATION: >> >> First I would like to present Bill Rampe from the Rochester, NY >> area for >> membership to the great unwashed and get him added to the list. >> Bill races a >> Spitfire and has recently upgraded to an FE engine from a FC (that's >> Spitfire talk for more power!). Bill is good people and can always >> be seen >> with a grin from ear to ear after a good ride. Many of us have >> spent time >> with him at Mosport; Watkins Glen and Summit Point. >> >> So, if I can get a second on this we can include him in our ranks and >> prattle. An honor to call him friend! >> >> -------- >> >> Second is a question I pose on Bill's behalf. He had a flywheel >> failure at >> The Jefferson 500 where it sounds as though the center of the >> aluminum >> flywheel broke apart. He has a new "Fidenza" aluminum flywheel on >> the shelf >> and is wondering if anyone has any experience with them before he >> uses it on >> his rebuild. I have used Tiltons in the past and also uprated the >> attachment >> to eight socket head cap screws. Any input out there from those >> racing. >> We're not talking street car stuff here please. Huge differences >> between a >> 4000rpm street ride and an 8000rpm race engine! >> >> >> >> Thanks from Bill (wmrampe at yahoo.com) >> >> >> >> Russ Moore >> >> Spitfire #49 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1 at comcast.net From kaskas at cox.net Tue May 24 18:19:13 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 00:19:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers In-Reply-To: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: At least until the end of 1972 this type hood modification was not allowed. i doubt if allowed later also.Too bad, as they do add a nice look ot the car and are very limited in improving the performance. BUT, shimming up the hinges at the rear of the hood worked pretty well. Also, having a strap across the hood at the back shows the corner workers that the hood is not loose and apt to fly off. Just suggestions, or maybe observations.. > Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:06:38 -0400 > From: cofrog at q.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers > > Any opinions on the legality of hood louvers on a TR4?B Would the legality > depend on the GCR you are using?B What about configuring the hood so that > when it's closed it has an opening between it and the scuttle to let air > escape instead of louvers? > > > > Thanks, > > > > DAn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 24 19:59:40 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 18:59:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] kastner cup Message-ID: I'd like to enter the Kastner Cup...Hope it's not too late...Please clue me in on the stuff... thanks Racer Bud..Spitfire # 21 From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon May 23 20:22:48 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 21:22:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Message-ID: The Morgan ran very well during the Marvelous May races at Eagles Canyon. Well, for the most part, at any rate... Those of you that wrench TR engines, please read and comment. Occasionally, when applying throttle, the TR4 engine seemed to run on two cylinders. It seemed to happen only after I had used more engine braking than usual, such as when coming up behind a slower car when approaching a turn, yet arriving too late to attempt a pass, initially never occurring when I was running in the clear. Changing up or down a gear would not immediately fix it. Pushing in the clutch and revving the engine up and down the rpm range did not immediately fix it. If I held steady throttle and just waited about 7-8 very long seconds (while waving following cars around me), it would eventually clear. I did not encounter a situation on the track where I was willing to just try letting it idle to see if that would resolve it, and it always cleared up before I left the track. The condition was either fully present or fully absent. I first thought that perhaps a plug change would fix it. The car has a Pertronix distributor and all the parts visually appear to be in good condition. Given that the engine runs strong and that no changes have been made since it was tuned on a dynamometer I was surprised to find the plugs somewhat dark. The car felt stronger with new plugs but the condition would still occur with about the same frequency. I tried avoiding letting the engine overrun and downshifted at the last second to draw less fuel into the cylinders, and I also tried a bit of left foot braking at the end of short straights, maintaining a bit of throttle while in gear. That worked pretty well at first and the condition happened only once per race after that until the final race on Sunday. Given all that I'd witnessed far, I reasoned that it was most likely fuel system-related. The carb dashpots were empty of oil (this didn't seem unreasonable, having recently read Kas' tuning books) and we topped them off with 20 weight oil. I couldn't remember when the K&N air filters had last been cleaned so we removed the air cleaners. No other changes were made to tuning. No dice. During the last race I couldn't string more than two corners together without a return of the condition, so I left the race rather than be a mobile chicane. I checked to see that the carb slides would drop easily on their own and those seemed just fine. What I witnessed seemed most consistently to follow engine braking. During the last race it might happen if I lifted throttle briefly, say in the middle of a twin-apex turn. I don't associate these conditions with ignition problems since it ran strongly otherwise. I considered a loose ignition wire shifting under deceleration as a possible cause, but this only seemed to happen after allowing the engine to overrun and did not happen after hard braking only. One potential cause for a carb change is that I removed the carbs to add an intake manifold brace, attempting to avoid changing any adjustments whatsoever. However, the possibility that I might have inadvertently tweaked the carb synchronization doesn't satisfactorily explain this condition for me. It did not correlate to ambient temperature and the engine never ran hot. I am wondering if a coil can give good enough spark to run the engine cleanly and strongly when the throttle is wide open yet allow the plugs to load up at smaller throttle settings. The car has a Bosch blue coil -- and... hmm! It's still mounted on the side of the engine, which I realize can create conditions for coil failure. My plan of attack is to first look for debris in the fuel system, however I don't expect to find anything, because if running it at full throttle in high gear didn't precipitate the condition, blockage or restriction would seem unlikely. If it relates to fuel sloshing forward under deceleration, I reason that heavy braking would likely have caused the same situation. If I find nothing there, my second plan is to check out the ignition system thoroughly before attempting to make any changes to the carbs. The engine ran without fault in February with the exact same carb settings. Thoughts? Suggestions? Duncan Charlton From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net Tue May 17 16:35:21 2011 From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (Chip Collingwood) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 18:35:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] unsubscribe Message-ID: <380-220115217223521140@earthlink.net> What is the procedure to unsubscribe from the FOT...thanks From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 17 10:36:26 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 12:36:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <661284962EDD40DEA2B29B986B372CE9@gdhs.local> Have not had a moments problem with mine.....their mount ......on roll bar......use the open back for better sound given the speed of our cars, there is not a wind noise problem...... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:51 AM To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... I'm not using their mount, but not tested it under race conditions. http://124racer.com/gallery/11/0505_GoPro_960/slides/IMG_2022.html http://124racer.com/gallery/11/0509_Accusump/slides/IMG_2045.html I used the mount last year. Manfrotto Super clamp with a quick release on a Sony POV camera. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVI3VLXH9TA&feature=player_embedded So the GoPro will be interesting. What back have you been running with? I did a test and did not like the full back audio. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYaxtxok6ak&feature=player_embedded A. On 17 May 2011 10:43, wrote: > I had the same trouble with mine, more than once. It shut down with > two laps > to go at the > > K-Cup race last year. It annoyed me to the point I bought a chase cam. > > > > > > jim g > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Spitfire Racing" > To: "MORDY DUNST" , fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:48:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... > > Mordy, > I have just one of the Go-Pro cameras and have problems with it > shutting down during a session. I emailed the company and they told me > it was > vibration(???) I am using all their mountings including their rollbar mount. > Had the same problem at VIR and also at Summit Point. I'll be back in > touch with them shortly to see what their comment is. The picture and > sound is exceptional, I just wish I could get a full session to > record. I'm recording > at 720 resolution (#2) and have a 32gig Kingston SD card in it. I'm > nowhere close to filling the card and in fact it stopped after > recording only a few meg worth at Summit Point last weekend. > Frustrating. I'll keep you in the loop. > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of MORDY DUNST > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:43 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... > > HMSA will email to each entrant (about 15 cars entered so far). prelim > notification. B Cris tells me that this will happen tonight. B Other > accompanying documentation later. > > B This is is such a cool track. B Just love the downhill after the Corkscrew. > > My engine and gearbox still out of the car.. but, hope to get them in > this weekend.... B I purchased two Go pro cameras and will try to get > them synched for some great vids in 1080p and 3d! > > M > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > www.Headgasket.com > 626.358.1616 ph1 > 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > > Triple R Munitions, Inc. > Class 6 B Certified F.F.L. > 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > GMT-8 Pacific > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From igofaster at att.net Tue May 24 21:34:58 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 20:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 turns 100,000 Message-ID: <502322.81746.qm@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I posted a Youtube video. I'm 1970GT6Racer. The video is 100kTR6. Bobby Whitehead ... From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Tue May 24 22:14:27 2011 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 21:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Non triumph - 2011 Indy 500 quiz Message-ID: <597478.16926.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I know it is off topic but this is the 100th anniversary of the Indy 500. Autoweek posted my quiz on their web site. I have been doing the quiz for about 20 years now and will attend my 32nd consecutive 500 this Sunday. Enjoy the quiz. http://www.autoweek.com/article/20110524/INDY100/110529906 Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 24 22:32:44 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 23:32:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] kastner cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110525043258.415A1187891@autox.team.net> Entry form is at the bottom of this web page: http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm Deadline was May 23, but I'll bet you could sweet talk an additional entry still. Tony Drews At 08:59 PM 5/24/2011, RACER BUD wrote: >I'd like to enter the Kastner Cup...Hope it's not too late...Please clue me in >on the stuff... >thanks >Racer Bud..Spitfire # 21 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed May 25 06:40:12 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 07:40:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <4ddc7d09.c158340a.3802.2c32SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <4ddc7d09.c158340a.3802.2c32SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Nine replies so far -- thanks, guys! There are a few things that I have not tried yet in there and I'll report back on what I find. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 25 06:46:25 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:46:25 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com> It seems to me a classic SU dirt problem. Debris is somewhere in float chamber and blocking from time to time the needle jet. Cheers Chris From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed May 25 07:19:48 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 09:19:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise Message-ID: While we are in the trouble shooting mode... I am helping a buddy with his TR6. Been fighting a clutch release issue. I THINK we might have resolved that, what a long strange trip that ended up being. While driving it with the trans cover off I discovered that his transmission howls like mad in fourth gear. Ok, I figure it is tired and needs a going over. I have the transmission from my TR6 sitting there so I swap it out thinking he can just use mine until he can get his rebuilt since mine is going to sit for a while yet. Put mine in and sure enough now mine howls in fourth gear. What the heck? Mine was quite as could be before I stopped driving the car. Is there something external to the transmission that would cause noise in just fourth gear? Marty From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed May 25 08:31:26 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:31:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] decal Message-ID: Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit Point Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will require a new coat of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal to replace the one that will be lost? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 25 08:40:00 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 16:40:00 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002301cc1ae9$a2ec9ea0$e8c5dbe0$@com> Maybe rear axle? Cheers Chris From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed May 25 09:12:21 2011 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 11:12:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? Message-ID: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> Mr. Hasty's need for a decal raises a point. Thanks John. It looks like we need a regalia coordinator.... Badges Decals Shirts Posters Since there is no real organization this isnt easily done. Any suggestions? Volunteers? There are some other things that need to be tightened up a bit in this non-organization. Change is not easy, but we can handle it. Joe A > Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit Point > Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will require a new > coat > of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal to replace the one that > will be lost? > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 25 09:19:06 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:19:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If the noise is only in fourth gear and it happened with two different trannies, and there was a clutch release issue I'd look closely at the alignment of the input shaft and the tranny case mount surface to the back of the engine. A misalignment there causes clutch problems and could put undue pressure on the input shaft. Does he have the tranny case locating dowels in place? Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:20 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise While we are in the trouble shooting mode... I am helping a buddy with his TR6. Been fighting a clutch release issue. I THINK we might have resolved that, what a long strange trip that ended up being. While driving it with the trans cover off I discovered that his transmission howls like mad in fourth gear. Ok, I figure it is tired and needs a going over. I have the transmission from my TR6 sitting there so I swap it out thinking he can just use mine until he can get his rebuilt since mine is going to sit for a while yet. Put mine in and sure enough now mine howls in fourth gear. What the heck? Mine was quite as could be before I stopped driving the car. Is there something external to the transmission that would cause noise in just fourth gear? Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed May 25 09:39:07 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 08:39:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0e4801cc1af1$e2b00a10$0301a8c0@randall> > Does he have the tranny case > locating dowels in place? Also the dowels that locate the rear plate to the engine block. -- Randall From brad.kahler at 141.com Wed May 25 09:42:51 2011 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 11:42:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? In-Reply-To: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> Message-ID: I nominate Joe A... :) On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > Mr. Hasty's need for a decal raises a point. Thanks John. > > It looks like we need a regalia coordinator.... > > Badges > Decals > Shirts > Posters > > Since there is no real organization this isnt easily done. > > Any suggestions? Volunteers? > > There are some other things that need to be tightened up a bit in this > non-organization. > > Change is not easy, but we can handle it. > > Joe A > > > > > > > > Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit Point > > Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will require a new > > coat > > of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal to replace the one that > > will be lost? > > > > John H. Hasty > > Attorney At Law > > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > > 719 East Boulevard > > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > > www.gdhs.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com From ac at camoletti.ch Wed May 25 10:08:36 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 18:08:36 +0200 Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? In-Reply-To: References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> Message-ID: <008001cc1af6$01318000$03948000$@camoletti.ch> Seconded! -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Brad Kahler Envoyi : mercredi 25 mai 2011 17:43 @ : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? I nominate Joe A... :) On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > Mr. Hasty's need for a decal raises a point. Thanks John. > > It looks like we need a regalia coordinator.... > > Badges > Decals > Shirts > Posters > > Since there is no real organization this isnt easily done. > > Any suggestions? Volunteers? > > There are some other things that need to be tightened up a bit in this > non-organization. > > Change is not easy, but we can handle it. > > Joe A > > > > > > > > Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit > > Point Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will > > require a new coat of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal > > to replace the one that will be lost? > > > > John H. Hasty > > Attorney At Law > > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > > 719 East Boulevard > > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > > www.gdhs.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed May 25 10:13:53 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 12:13:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? In-Reply-To: References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> Message-ID: <714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com> I second that! I was wondering about the same thing. I am willing to help out. Chris On May 25, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > I nominate Joe A... :) > > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > >> Mr. Hasty's need for a decal raises a point. Thanks John. >> >> It looks like we need a regalia coordinator.... >> >> Badges >> Decals >> Shirts >> Posters >> >> Since there is no real organization this isnt easily done. >> >> Any suggestions? Volunteers? >> >> There are some other things that need to be tightened up a bit in this >> non-organization. >> >> Change is not easy, but we can handle it. >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit Point >>> Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will require a new >>> coat >>> of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal to replace the one that >>> will be lost? >>> >>> John H. Hasty >>> Attorney At Law >>> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >>> 719 East Boulevard >>> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >>> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >>> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >>> E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com >>> www.gdhs.com >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From budscars at comcast.net Wed May 25 10:23:20 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 09:23:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Message-ID: <592654CF9246417F87427048BBDA6677@Bud> Thanks for all of the help Gang..I rcvd. an email from Chris..that there's no problem with sending my entry for KC in today...I'm looking forward to meeting everyone!.. RB From herald948 at aol.com Wed May 25 10:30:50 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 12:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise In-Reply-To: <0e4801cc1af1$e2b00a10$0301a8c0@randall> References: <0e4801cc1af1$e2b00a10$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <8CDE9103E41C05B-1164-27030@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> ...or a bent rear engine plate? I've heard tales of bent plates causing various problems. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Randall > Does he have the tranny case > locating dowels in place? Also the dowels that locate the rear plate to the engine block. From budscars at comcast.net Wed May 25 10:48:08 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 09:48:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise References: <0e4801cc1af1$e2b00a10$0301a8c0@randall> <8CDE9103E41C05B-1164-27030@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I have had a bent backing/engine plate...If someone has tried to tighten it down with the dowels not lined up, it may be bent...If it is bent, it will feel more difficult to install the tranny.(difficult to tighten the bolts)...If you find it is bent, a garage floor and a sledge hammer work fine to fix it. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Mace" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission noise > ...or a bent rear engine plate? I've heard tales of bent plates causing > various problems. > > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall > > >> Does he have the tranny case >> locating dowels in place? > > Also the dowels that locate the rear plate to the engine block. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 25 10:53:36 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 12:53:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? In-Reply-To: <714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com> References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> <714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> I keep hearing LYNDON JOHNSON's famous pronouncement echoing in my brain. A volunteer would be a very nice thing to have......especially with the 60th anniversary coming up and the 10th running of The Kastner Cup. We could look very good at this event next May. Work could be spread out among several people. I spend a lot of time on the FOT and necessarily trying to reduce my contact time. Thanks anyway Brad.... Joe A. -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: Brad Kahler Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 11:13 am Subject: Re: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? I second that! I was wondering about the same thing. I am willing to help out. Chris On May 25, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > I nominate Joe A... :) > > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > >> Mr. Hasty's need for a decal raises a point. Thanks John. >> >> It looks like we need a regalia coordinator.... >> >> Badges >> Decals >> Shirts >> Posters >> >> Since there is no real organization this isnt easily done. >> >> Any suggestions? Volunteers? >> >> There are some other things that need to be tightened up a bit in this >> non-organization. >> >> Change is not easy, but we can handle it. >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit Point >>> Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will require a new >>> coat >>> of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal to replace the one that >>> will be lost? >>> >>> John H. Hasty >>> Attorney At Law >>> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >>> 719 East Boulevard >>> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >>> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >>> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >>> E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com >>> www.gdhs.com >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From budscars at comcast.net Wed May 25 10:57:21 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 09:57:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise References: <0e4801cc1af1$e2b00a10$0301a8c0@randall><8CDE9103E41C05B-1164-27030@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3F0A9CE12ACA4DB4ACF05F48F78CA529@Bud> What I'm getting at is..The dowels may be lined up now, but the plate already bent.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: ; "Andrew Mace" Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission noise >I have had a bent backing/engine plate...If someone has tried to tighten it >down with the dowels not lined up, it may be bent...If it is bent, it will >feel more difficult to install the tranny.(difficult to tighten the >bolts)...If you find it is bent, a garage floor and a sledge hammer work >fine to fix it. > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Mace" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission noise > > >> ...or a bent rear engine plate? I've heard tales of bent plates causing >> various problems. >> >> >> >> --Andy Mace >> >> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? >> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph >> Herald engine with wings. >> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) >> >> Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph >> Register: http://www.vtr.org >> >> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph >> Herald >> Database: http://triumph-herald.us >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Randall >> >> >>> Does he have the tranny case >>> locating dowels in place? >> >> Also the dowels that locate the rear plate to the engine block. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 25 10:57:39 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 12:57:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise In-Reply-To: References: <0e4801cc1af1$e2b00a10$0301a8c0@randall><8CDE9103E41C05B-1164-27030@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDE913FD7CFD8C-2160-40111@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> if it is bent, i have one oem tr6 plate on the shelf or alloy plates at discount prices to FOT -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD To: fot at autox.team.net; Andrew Mace Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 11:48 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission noise I have had a bent backing/engine plate...If someone has tried to tighten it down with the dowels not lined up, it may be bent...If it is bent, it will feel more difficult to install the tranny.(difficult to tighten the bolts)...If you find it is bent, a garage floor and a sledge hammer work fine to fix it. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Mace" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission noise > ...or a bent rear engine plate? I've heard tales of bent plates causing > various problems. > > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall > > >> Does he have the tranny case >> locating dowels in place? > > Also the dowels that locate the rear plate to the engine block. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From billb at bnj.com Wed May 25 11:04:55 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:04:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? In-Reply-To: <8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> <714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com> <8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <19701E7C-3F05-4006-8344-096714C8A4A6@bnj.com> The problem with any volunteer group. Its always the same folks doing the work until they get burned out. And no, that doesn't mean I'm volunteering. On May 25, 2011, at 9:53 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > I keep hearing LYNDON JOHNSON's famous pronouncement echoing in my brain. > > A volunteer would be a very nice thing to have......especially with the 60th > anniversary coming up and the 10th running of The Kastner Cup. We could look > very good at this event next May. Work could be spread out among several > people. > > I spend a lot of time on the FOT and necessarily trying to reduce my contact > time. > > Thanks anyway Brad.... > > Joe A. From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 25 11:07:05 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 13:07:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LEGUNA SECA PRODUCT NEEDS? Commercial Message Message-ID: <8CDE9154EFDDFB5-2160-4053E@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> I am driving into Laguna Seca and bringing a few things.... KASTNER'S NEWEST BOOK for one thing. A limited quantity. If someone wants something or wants to look at anything, please let me know. Discounts will abound to the FOT at this event. Look at new website the-vintage-racer.com I will also have TONY DREWS new hubs and Chris Marx new rear seal to show, if anyone is interested. Likely just one piece of each. I leave this Saturday. Joe A From billb at bnj.com Wed May 25 11:14:40 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:14:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bummed In-Reply-To: <8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> <714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com> <8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I don't recall if I mentioned this, but Peyote and I WON'T be at Laguna. I had knee surgery last week and the doc says no. I was tempted to ignore him, consulted with a really good physical therapist, and he said absolutely not. I had a meniscus tear repaired and both say I'm six weeks away from being able to tolerate any potential shearing movement. If I open the repair it probably won't be able to be repaired as well as the first time because it will be tattered. Sucks, but at least the prognosis is good--after healing I should be quite a few years away from anything further. From billb at bnj.com Wed May 25 11:16:20 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:16:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? In-Reply-To: <8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> <714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com> <8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: The problem with any volunteer group. Its always the same folks doing the work until they get burned out. And no, I'm not volunteering. On May 25, 2011, at 9:53 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > I keep hearing LYNDON JOHNSON's famous pronouncement echoing in my brain. > > A volunteer would be a very nice thing to have......especially with the 60th > anniversary coming up and the 10th running of The Kastner Cup. We could look > very good at this event next May. Work could be spread out among several > people. > > I spend a lot of time on the FOT and necessarily trying to reduce my contact > time. > > Thanks anyway Brad.... > > Joe A. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed May 25 11:44:59 2011 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:44:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] LEGUNA SECA PRODUCT NEEDS? Commercial Message In-Reply-To: <8CDE9154EFDDFB5-2160-4053E@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDE9154EFDDFB5-2160-4053E@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: How about bringing A RACE CAR!??! On May 25, 2011, at 10:07 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > I am driving into Laguna Seca and bringing a few things.... > > KASTNER'S NEWEST BOOK for one thing. A limited quantity. > > If someone wants something or wants to look at anything, please let me know. > > Discounts will abound to the FOT at this event. > > Look at new website the-vintage-racer.com > > I will also have TONY DREWS new hubs and Chris Marx new rear seal to show, if > anyone is interested. > > Likely just one piece of each. I leave this Saturday. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed May 25 12:12:14 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:12:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hmmmm. Pretty sure, ok I'm positive there were no dowel pins in there. I thinking I should be able to put the missing two in place by just loosening things up and not pulling the tranny out for the what is it, the fourth time? Anyhow, we will give that a try tomorrow after work as he is planning on heading out of town with it on Friday. Thanks for the suggestion. Marty > From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com > To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:19:06 -0500 > Subject: RE: [Fot] Transmission noise > > If the noise is only in fourth gear and it happened with two different trannies, and there was a clutch release issue I'd look closely at the alignment of the input shaft and the tranny case mount surface to the back of the engine. A misalignment there causes clutch problems and could put undue pressure on the input shaft. Does he have the tranny case locating dowels in place? > > Bob Kramer > Texas Rental Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-687-7422 Office > 512-657-8526 Cell > > > Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:20 AM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise > > While we are in the trouble shooting mode... I am helping a buddy with his > TR6. Been fighting a clutch release issue. I THINK we might have resolved > that, what a long strange trip that ended up being. While driving it with the > trans cover off I discovered that his transmission howls like mad in fourth > gear. Ok, I figure it is tired and needs a going over. I have the > transmission from my TR6 sitting there so I swap it out thinking he can just > use mine until he can get his rebuilt since mine is going to sit for a while > yet. Put mine in and sure enough now mine howls in fourth gear. What the > heck? Mine was quite as could be before I stopped driving the car. Is there > something external to the transmission that would cause noise in just fourth > gear? > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From spitlist at cox.net Wed May 25 12:37:24 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 11:37:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bummed In-Reply-To: References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com><714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com><8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Come on Bill, I am sure that you will find several volunteers to drive for you! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:15 AM To: Joe Alexander; fot of Subject: [Fot] Bummed I don't recall if I mentioned this, but Peyote and I WON'T be at Laguna. I had knee surgery last week and the doc says no. I was tempted to ignore him, consulted with a really good physical therapist, and he said absolutely not. I had a meniscus tear repaired and both say I'm six weeks away from being able to tolerate any potential shearing movement. If I open the repair it probably won't be able to be repaired as well as the first time because it will be tattered. Sucks, but at least the prognosis is good--after healing I should be quite a few years away from anything further. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 25 12:58:31 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:58:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LEGUNA SECA PRODUCT NEEDS? Commercial Message In-Reply-To: References: <8CDE9154EFDDFB5-2160-4053E@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDE924E021100D-1B2C-3D190@webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com> the original plan was to bring TWO race cars..... I would have dipped into my 401k for this one....just didnt work out. Will have sons and more there....family event which is good. Looking forward to it. -----Original Message----- From: Steven Belfer To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 12:44 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] LEGUNA SECA PRODUCT NEEDS? Commercial Message How about bringing A RACE CAR!??! On May 25, 2011, at 10:07 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > I am driving into Laguna Seca and bringing a few things.... > > KASTNER'S NEWEST BOOK for one thing. A limited quantity. > > If someone wants something or wants to look at anything, please let me know. > > Discounts will abound to the FOT at this event. > > Look at new website the-vintage-racer.com > > I will also have TONY DREWS new hubs and Chris Marx new rear seal to show, if > anyone is interested. > > Likely just one piece of each. I leave this Saturday. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From horizonracing at msn.com Wed May 25 13:00:58 2011 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 12:00:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bummed In-Reply-To: References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com><714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com><8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com>, , Message-ID: Peytoe is quick too. Quailf. on pole after winter refresh. > From: spitlist at cox.net > To: billb at bnj.com; n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 11:37:24 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Bummed > > Come on Bill, I am sure that you will find several volunteers to drive for > you! > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:15 AM > To: Joe Alexander; fot of > Subject: [Fot] Bummed > > I don't recall if I mentioned this, but Peyote and I WON'T be at Laguna. I > had > knee surgery last week and the doc says no. I was tempted to ignore him, > consulted with a really good physical therapist, and he said absolutely not. > I > had a meniscus tear repaired and both say I'm six weeks away from being able > to tolerate any potential shearing movement. If I open the repair it > probably > won't be able to be repaired as well as the first time because it will be > tattered. > > Sucks, but at least the prognosis is good--after healing I should be quite a > few years away from anything further. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed May 25 16:24:29 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 17:24:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> I'm getting some well-thought out suggestions. Thanks to Michael P, Bob K, Tim M, Jim G, Tony (TR4 Tony), Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, and Bill B. My thoughts that it was fuel related seem to be supported by the fact that most of you mentioned fuel issues. So far: 1. Bowl vents clear? Hmm -- we do have mud dauber wasps around here! 2. Fuel foaming due to vibration? (X2) Possible, and perhaps the new manifold brace could add more vibration. 3. Sticky float or float needles? 4. Leaky floats? 5. Resonance due to new brace causing jets to sink down? (They're supported by a spring, but it makes sense that resonance could cause the spring to lose tension temporarily, the way a spring governor on a lawnmower engine does) 6. Needle(s) not properly seated in piston(s)? 7. Advance profile poor or advance mechanism sticking? 8. Loose engine ground cable? 9. Improper jetting for driving style? (Perhaps, but this didn't happen at TWS and seemed to get progressively worse at ECR even as I tried to prevent the problem by braking later and sometimes holding throttle pressure while braking) 10. Bowl lids (ie: float hinge point) oriented improperly)? No -- this one has been checked. The suggestion came from someone who was also asking whether it happened more when turning one direction and not another -- direction did not matter. 11. Dirt in carb? (X2) Fuel filter was clear when checked on Saturday but I haven't looked in the float bowls yet. I'll blow the lines back to the fuel cell (no rust seen in fuel cell when I cleaned it out a few months ago -- found silicone worm scraps, though) 12. Oiling plugs? 13. Intake tract leak? The suggestions will guide my investigation -- thanks, everyone! Duncan '52 Morgan red #6 From igofaster at att.net Wed May 25 18:16:03 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 17:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? In-Reply-To: References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> Message-ID: <814733.23520.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I roundly 2nd Joe A .... harrummph harrrrummph BG Whitehead ________________________________ From: Brad Kahler To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 10:42:51 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? I nominate Joe A... :) On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > Mr. Hasty's need for a decal raises a point. Thanks John. > > It looks like we need a regalia coordinator.... > > Badges > Decals > Shirts > Posters > > Since there is no real organization this isnt easily done. > > Any suggestions? Volunteers? > > There are some other things that need to be tightened up a bit in this > non-organization. > > Change is not easy, but we can handle it. > > Joe A > > > > > > > > Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit Point > > Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will require a new > > coat > > of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal to replace the one that > > will be lost? > > > > John H. Hasty > > Attorney At Law > > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > > 719 East Boulevard > > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > > www.gdhs.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 25 18:17:00 2011 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 20:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Big TR IRS Question Message-ID: Hi, If anyone on the list with an IRS big TR has used MGB "front" springs on the rear of your car, could you please contact me off list? It looks like the MGB front springs are the same (or close enough) ID and I want to try a very stiff rear suspension setup just for yucks. But I figured I'd ask if anyone has tried this before I shell out a couple hundred bucks to test the setup. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 25 19:22:23 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 21:22:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] REGALIA COORDINATOR? a new announcement. In-Reply-To: <814733.23520.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> <814733.23520.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDE95A7FDAA7E9-700-38D78@webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com> i've decided that we dont need a REGALIA COORDINATOR. we have gotten along just fine with volunteers like BOBBY and BRAD. Becoming too organized is a very slippery slope. -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: Brad Kahler Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 7:16 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? I roundly 2nd Joe A .... harrummph harrrrummph BG Whitehead ________________________________ From: Brad Kahler To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 10:42:51 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? I nominate Joe A... :) On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > Mr. Hasty's need for a decal raises a point. Thanks John. > > It looks like we need a regalia coordinator.... > > Badges > Decals > Shirts > Posters > > Since there is no real organization this isnt easily done. > > Any suggestions? Volunteers? > > There are some other things that need to be tightened up a bit in this > non-organization. > > Change is not easy, but we can handle it. > > Joe A > > > > > > > > Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit Point > > Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will require a new > > coat > > of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal to replace the one that > > will be lost? > > > > John H. Hasty > > Attorney At Law > > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > > 719 East Boulevard > > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > > www.gdhs.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Wed May 25 23:40:14 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 00:40:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> References: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110526054023.6AE0118765F@autox.team.net> I doubt this is the issue, but one issue that Jack had was a little piece of rubber from where the jet tube comes into the float bowl - it allowed enough fuel to get through that it ran but would occasionally block the jet causing the car to run like crap. Took over 5 carb disassemblies before it was found. Different symptoms to what you are having, though. If you have a fuel pressure gauge and EGT gauge (front and rear), you can tell whether it's going rich or lean. We fought issues with fuel pressure regulators (goes lean at end of long straight - pulling back on the gas pedal helps) and with vibration causing the fuel in the carb bowl to foam (goes rich - nothing you do with the gas pedal helps much), as well as the orientation of the top of the float bowl (one goes rich - keep the revs way up and the problem lessens as you clear the extra fuel more quickly). With the resonance deal foaming the fuel, it seemed that once it got started it would continue but if you could eke through the RPM that caused the issue the resonance would stop. It wouldn't always happen, though. This is a possibility, although what you described as trying for the workarounds should have taken care of this issue. Assuming that it is fuel related, it's a good idea to take the carbs apart and make sure everything is completely clean - no dirt in the bowl or lines. Tony At 05:24 PM 5/25/2011, Duncan Charlton wrote: >I'm getting some well-thought out suggestions. Thanks to Michael P, Bob K, >Tim M, Jim G, Tony (TR4 Tony), Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, and Bill B. > >My thoughts that it was fuel related seem to be supported by the fact that >most of you mentioned fuel issues. So far: >1. Bowl vents clear? Hmm -- we do have mud dauber wasps around here! >2. Fuel foaming due to vibration? (X2) Possible, and perhaps the new manifold >brace could add more vibration. >3. Sticky float or float needles? >4. Leaky floats? >5. Resonance due to new brace causing jets to sink down? (They're supported by >a spring, but it makes sense that resonance could cause the spring to lose >tension temporarily, the way a spring governor on a lawnmower engine does) >6. Needle(s) not properly seated in piston(s)? >7. Advance profile poor or advance mechanism sticking? >8. Loose engine ground cable? >9. Improper jetting for driving style? (Perhaps, but this didn't happen at >TWS and seemed to get progressively worse at ECR even as I tried to prevent >the problem by braking later and sometimes holding throttle pressure while >braking) >10. Bowl lids (ie: float hinge point) oriented improperly)? No -- this one >has been checked. The suggestion came from someone who was also asking >whether it happened more when turning one direction and not another -- >direction did not matter. >11. Dirt in carb? (X2) Fuel filter was clear when checked on Saturday but I >haven't looked in the float bowls yet. I'll blow the lines back to the fuel >cell (no rust seen in fuel cell when I cleaned it out a few months ago -- >found silicone worm scraps, though) >12. Oiling plugs? >13. Intake tract leak? > >The suggestions will guide my investigation -- thanks, everyone! > >Duncan >'52 Morgan red #6 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu May 26 06:58:23 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 07:58:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question References: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> <20110526054023.6AE0118765F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: With HS6's I haven't had a fuel foaming issue, but with my previous TR4, with H6's I struggled with them as Tony describes. I did three things and solved the problem. First I tried safety wire to secure the float bowls from shaking so much, with limited improvement. Second I had been advised that it was best to weld up the tranny mount into a solid mount to avoid failures , but I determined that this added to the resonance issues. I now fill the cavity of a stock mount with silicone, gradually so it cures. This is the "Air Triumph" mount. Lastly I placed 2" o-rings between the insulator block and the intake manifold surface (or was it the carb surface?). I used a 2" hole saw to cut a locating groove in the insulator and slightly longer studs to mnount the carbs. Worked for me. Bob Kramer -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 12:40 AM To: Duncan Charlton; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question I doubt this is the issue, but one issue that Jack had was a little piece of rubber from where the jet tube comes into the float bowl - it allowed enough fuel to get through that it ran but would occasionally block the jet causing the car to run like crap. Took over 5 carb disassemblies before it was found. Different symptoms to what you are having, though. If you have a fuel pressure gauge and EGT gauge (front and rear), you can tell whether it's going rich or lean. We fought issues with fuel pressure regulators (goes lean at end of long straight - pulling back on the gas pedal helps) and with vibration causing the fuel in the carb bowl to foam (goes rich - nothing you do with the gas pedal helps much), as well as the orientation of the top of the float bowl (one goes rich - keep the revs way up and the problem lessens as you clear the extra fuel more quickly). With the resonance deal foaming the fuel, it seemed that once it got started it would continue but if you could eke through the RPM that caused the issue the resonance would stop. It wouldn't always happen, though. This is a possibility, although what you described as trying for the workarounds should have taken care of this issue. Assuming that it is fuel related, it's a good idea to take the carbs apart and make sure everything is completely clean - no dirt in the bowl or lines. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu May 26 10:06:28 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 16:06:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Big TR IRS Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1522293346.505795.1306425988970.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I have not tried the MG springs. I found the uprated/lowered springs from BPNW with the adjustable Spax are plenty. I've run the dampening adjuster up to the point I was too stiff and had to back off to 1/2 - 5/8 position. It started getting loose with the stiff shock setting, even on fresh Hoosier R6's. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:17:00 PM Subject: [Fot] Big TR IRS Question Hi, If anyone on the list with an IRS big TR has used MGB "front" springs on the rear of your car, could you please contact me off list? It looks like the MGB front springs are the same (or close enough) ID and I want to try a very stiff rear suspension setup just for yucks. But I figured I'd ask if anyone has tried this before I shell out a couple hundred bucks to test the setup. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 26 11:01:22 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 10:01:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP SCHEDULE Message-ID: Hi Gang...does anyone have a K.Cup schedule that you can send me by email?..since i entered late, I don't have one yet. thanks budscars at comcast.net Racer Bud From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu May 26 12:00:50 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 13:00:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] =?iso-8859-1?q?Helical_Compression_Spring_Design_Equations_?= =?iso-8859-1?q?and_Calculator_-=A0Engineers_Edge?= Message-ID: <000d01cc1bce$db2eebc0$918cc340$@com> I found a pretty nice site showing the calculation of spring compression parameters. It has some nice calculators on it. Thought it might be of interest. http://www.engineersedge.com/spring_comp_calc.htm Tim From kaskas at cox.net Thu May 26 13:08:43 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 19:08:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: , , <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com>, <20110526054023.6AE0118765F@autox.team.net>, Message-ID: The TR3-4 engine is a maker of really really heavy vibration at about 5200 revs. In the engine dyno you cannot keep the carb bell in your hand the vibration is so severe at that rev. The gas in the bowl at that time is almost all foam. Amazing that engine runs at all there. "O" ringing the insulater blocks really helps a bunch. > From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 07:58:23 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question > > With HS6's I haven't had a fuel foaming issue, but with my previous TR4, with > H6's I struggled with them as Tony describes. I did three things and solved > the problem. First I tried safety wire to secure the float bowls from shaking > so much, with limited improvement. Second I had been advised that it was best > to weld up the tranny mount into a solid mount to avoid failures , but I > determined that this added to the resonance issues. I now fill the cavity of > a stock mount with silicone, gradually so it cures. This is the "Air Triumph" > mount. Lastly I placed 2" o-rings between the insulator block and the intake > manifold surface (or was it the carb surface?). I used a 2" hole saw to cut a > locating groove in the insulator and slightly longer studs to mnount the > carbs. Worked for me. > > Bob Kramer > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Tony Drews > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 12:40 AM > To: Duncan Charlton; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question > > I doubt this is the issue, but one issue that Jack had was a little > piece of rubber from where the jet tube comes into the float bowl - > it allowed enough fuel to get through that it ran but would > occasionally block the jet causing the car to run like crap. Took > over 5 carb disassemblies before it was found. Different symptoms to > what you are having, though. > > If you have a fuel pressure gauge and EGT gauge (front and rear), you > can tell whether it's going rich or lean. > > We fought issues with fuel pressure regulators (goes lean at end of > long straight - pulling back on the gas pedal helps) and with > vibration causing the fuel in the carb bowl to foam (goes rich - > nothing you do with the gas pedal helps much), as well as the > orientation of the top of the float bowl (one goes rich - keep the > revs way up and the problem lessens as you clear the extra fuel more > quickly). > > With the resonance deal foaming the fuel, it seemed that once it got > started it would continue but if you could eke through the RPM that > caused the issue the resonance would stop. It wouldn't always > happen, though. This is a possibility, although what you described > as trying for the workarounds should have taken care of this issue. > > Assuming that it is fuel related, it's a good idea to take the carbs > apart and make sure everything is completely clean - no dirt in the > bowl or lines. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From jfrymark at aol.com Thu May 26 14:14:38 2011 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 13:14:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] K Cup schedule Message-ID: <403CAF27-1F26-4C2B-B1AA-AD196175060D@aol.com> Just sent our by Cris: Greetings, Thank you for your entry in the June 7-8 LSR event. We are in the process of building the groups and schedule. As soon as we get those completed well send that information to you hopefully during the weekend. Best Regards, Cris Vandagriff From edenma at aol.com Thu May 26 14:42:27 2011 From: edenma at aol.com (edenma at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 16:42:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing in Hastings NE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDE9FC8F0BDFA3-15F8-69D3@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> OK Jim! Chris and I will commit to making the tow this year to Hastings. Cheers! Mark From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 26 15:41:35 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 17:41:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP SCHEDULE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDEA04D2120B3E-B20-4A36F@webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com> I would be interested in that information too. -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 12:01 pm Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP SCHEDULE Hi Gang...does anyone have a K.Cup schedule that you can send me by email?..since i entered late, I don't have one yet. thanks budscars at comcast.net Racer Bud _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Thu May 26 17:08:31 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 16:08:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Last Minute Entries for the Kastner Cup Message-ID: Gentlemen: The upcoming event is shaping up to be the largest ever gathering for the Kastner Cup with over 22 confirmed entries with a few more last minute participants hopefully able to attend. When we first approached HMSA over a year ago with the desire to hold the event at Laguna Seca we were enthusiastically received. Unfortunately, we were not told what the entry fee was until after we had committed to attend. The Kastner Cup committee was very, very unhappy with the $650 entry fee but were told that such was the expense of running without a sound restriction at Laguna Seca and with the class of cars expected at an HMSA event. No doubt that cost plus the unexpected ailments of Messrs. Miller, Babcock, et al., have conspired to hold down entries. We had originally hoped for 40 or more cars and we would still like to reach for close to that number. We have not received a schedule from HMSA but if there is any possibility whatsoever in making it we would love to have you. The West Coast FOT contingent in well known for their hospitality and banter and we will do everything in our power to make this an event to remember. It is still possible to register for the event and for those completing last minute repairs you can always show up and pay on arrival. Many of the cars competing at the Rolex Historics at Sonoma the weekend before will also be competing at the HMSA event with several cars also being flown in from Europe to participate so we should have a paddock full of truly historic cars on hand. California weather is expected to be on the cool side with temperatures of 76 degrees and clear skies so dress warmly! We hope to see you there. If you think you might be able to make it please let me know so we can work around logistics to ensure a great time. Thanks. -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 26 17:52:17 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 16:52:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Last Minute Entries for the Kastner Cup References: Message-ID: In regards to saving $ on hotel accomodations I might mention, John, that for those unfamiliar with the area around Laguna Seca...the city of Seaside is closer to the track than is Monterey, and room rates are generally lower..There are lots of motels along Fremont Blvd in Seaside...I just reserved a room at the Best Western Ramona Inn for 77.00 per night. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Nikas" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 4:08 PM Subject: [Fot] Last Minute Entries for the Kastner Cup > Gentlemen: > > The upcoming event is shaping up to be the largest ever gathering for the > Kastner Cup with over 22 confirmed entries with a few more last minute > participants hopefully able to attend. When we first approached HMSA over > a > year ago with the desire to hold the event at Laguna Seca we were > enthusiastically received. Unfortunately, we were not told what the entry > fee was until after we had committed to attend. The Kastner Cup committee > was very, very unhappy with the $650 entry fee but were told that such was > the expense of running without a sound restriction at Laguna Seca and with > the class of cars expected at an HMSA event. No doubt that cost plus the > unexpected ailments of Messrs. Miller, Babcock, et al., have conspired to > hold down entries. We had originally hoped for 40 or more cars and we > would > still like to reach for close to that number. We have not received a > schedule from HMSA but if there is any possibility whatsoever in making it > we would love to have you. The West Coast FOT contingent in well known for > their hospitality and banter and we will do everything in our power to > make > this an event to remember. It is still possible to register for the event > and for those completing last minute repairs you can always show up and > pay > on arrival. Many of the cars competing at the Rolex Historics at Sonoma > the > weekend before will also be competing at the HMSA event with several cars > also being flown in from Europe to participate so we should have a paddock > full of truly historic cars on hand. California weather is expected to be > on > the cool side with temperatures of 76 degrees and clear skies so dress > warmly! We hope to see you there. If you think you might be able to make > it > please let me know so we can work around logistics to ensure a great time. > Thanks. > > -- > Very truly yours, > > John Nikas > Cape Coventry Racing > www.capecoventryracing.com > (949) 375-6306 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 26 19:09:03 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 18:09:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner cup..Steve Froines Message-ID: <3E92CD2C79C74724B8E01B67829762D5@Bud> Hi Gang..Carl Stirtz has contacted Steve Froines(DP TR4 national Champ & Sebring Tr4 driver) about coming to Laguna, ...Steve will likely be attending....Steve is not big into the internet, ..can someone give me an FOT phone # that I can forward to Carl and Steve.. my email is budscars at comcast.net thanks Racer Bud From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu May 26 20:07:08 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 22:07:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] opinion need on FLAGS Message-ID: Amici, In getting prices here is what I have found out.... A double sided flag will run about $80. The words " Amici Triumphi" can be read correctly on both sides. Basically it is two flags sewn together. A single sides flag will run about $40. The words "Amici Triumphi" can be read correctly on ONE side, other side is reversed. Both are made of good quality material and able to be used outside. I am leaning toward a single sided flag. I am asking you fellow members what is your opinion. Thanks From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 26 20:31:32 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 22:31:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner cup..Steve Froines In-Reply-To: <3E92CD2C79C74724B8E01B67829762D5@Bud> References: <3E92CD2C79C74724B8E01B67829762D5@Bud> Message-ID: <8CDEA2D5354524D-178C-43609@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> steve froines, eh? kas will be pleased. you be cool, bud. -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 8:09 pm Subject: [Fot] Kastner cup..Steve Froines Hi Gang..Carl Stirtz has contacted Steve Froines(DP TR4 national Champ & Sebring Tr4 driver) about coming to Laguna, ...Steve will likely be attending....Steve is not big into the internet, ..can someone give me an FOT phone # that I can forward to Carl and Steve.. my email is budscars at comcast.net thanks Racer Bud _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 26 20:36:24 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 22:36:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] opinion need on FLAGS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDEA2E019C305B-178C-4370C@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> single sided flag. you have to run very fast to see both sides at the same time. and $40 is a better number. what is size and logo proportion? last ones were nice but logo too small. thanks for doing this..... -----Original Message----- From: christopher bock To: FoTTriumph Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 9:07 pm Subject: [Fot] opinion need on FLAGS Amici, In getting prices here is what I have found out.... A double sided flag will run about $80. The words " Amici Triumphi" can be read correctly on both sides. Basically it is two flags sewn together. A single sides flag will run about $40. The words "Amici Triumphi" can be read correctly on ONE side, other side is reversed. Both are made of good quality material and able to be used outside. I am leaning toward a single sided flag. I am asking you fellow members what is your opinion. Thanks _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri May 27 05:27:24 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 07:27:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FLAGS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9EC2683B-96AA-4BBC-82AC-63F5AE6056FB@aol.com> Amici, I was WRONG!!!! Price for a double sided is $30..... The logo is printed on. I am currently working on the proof with the makers. So far the proof looks good but a few changes are needed. Here is some info on the flag. www.the-flag-makers.com Size:: 60cm x 90cm (2\' x 3\') Quantity: 75 Colors: 6 Orientation: Landscape Prints: Double Sided 3 Layers Material:: Knitted polyester (Top Quality) Fixtures: Grommets 2 If your interested start sending money!! Paypal... SeaCubeCo at aol.com mail... Chris Bock, 3630 Italia Ave, Vineland, NJ, 08361 Chris On May 26, 2011, at 10:07 PM, christopher bock wrote: > Amici, > > In getting prices here is what I have found out.... > > A double sided flag will run about $80. The words " Amici Triumphi" can be > read correctly on both sides. Basically it is two flags sewn together. > > A single sides flag will run about $40. The words "Amici Triumphi" can be > read correctly on ONE side, other side is reversed. > > > Both are made of good quality material and able to be used outside. > > I am leaning toward a single sided flag. > > > I am asking you fellow members what is your opinion. > > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > > Christopher Bock www.SeaCubeCo.com SeaCubeCo at aol.com (609) 319-4322 From BillDentin at aol.com Fri May 27 08:04:21 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 10:04:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] opinion need on FLAGS Message-ID: <4017.78920772.3b110965@aol.com> In a message dated 05/26/2011 9:29:43 PM Central Daylight Time, SeaCubeCo at aol.com writes: > I am asking you fellow members what is your opinion. > I recognize and would readily accept the additional cost for a double sided flag, but would purchase either. Can both be made available? Bill Dentinger From cartravel at pobox.com Fri May 27 09:33:12 2011 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 10:33:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] O2 sensors and AFR Message-ID: <4DDFC438.9050507@pobox.com> I'm trying to use a normal narrow band O2 sensor to aid in dialing in an engine. I have a few questions about how these things work: 1. How quickly do they respond to a change, e.g. throttle position or load? 2. How is the AFR reading effected by temperature? 3. How does the AFR read if a cylinder is missing intermittently? Based on info found on the web, I welded the bung about 4 feet from the head. Documentation with the Westach gauge says it should be 600 degrees. Mine is running around 450. The way I understand it, the gauge fundamentally measures oxygen concentration. If a cylinder is misfiring, there will be oxygen and unburned fuel in the exhaust, not the same as a rich mixture in a cylinder that is firing. TIA Larry From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri May 27 10:17:48 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 18:17:48 +0200 Subject: [Fot] O2 sensors and AFR In-Reply-To: <4DDFC438.9050507@pobox.com> References: <4DDFC438.9050507@pobox.com> Message-ID: <001701cc1c89$a04f7180$e0ee5480$@com> I've written in Kas's book about these type of sensor. To answer your questions: 1. The sensor responds at once, in most cases the gauge is too slow, that's why I use a voltmeter instead 2. It is affected but after a few minutes there should be enough heat to make it work 3. You won't see this I'm afraid. I didn't test it but one or two missing strokes won't give a reading Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Larry Young Gesendet: Freitag, 27. Mai 2011 17:33 An: FOT Cc: Tom Young Betreff: [Fot] O2 sensors and AFR I'm trying to use a normal narrow band O2 sensor to aid in dialing in an engine. I have a few questions about how these things work: 1. How quickly do they respond to a change, e.g. throttle position or load? 2. How is the AFR reading effected by temperature? 3. How does the AFR read if a cylinder is missing intermittently? Based on info found on the web, I welded the bung about 4 feet from the head. Documentation with the Westach gauge says it should be 600 degrees. Mine is running around 450. The way I understand it, the gauge fundamentally measures oxygen concentration. If a cylinder is misfiring, there will be oxygen and unburned fuel in the exhaust, not the same as a rich mixture in a cylinder that is firing. TIA Larry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Fri May 27 15:21:03 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 07:21:03 +1000 Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright Message-ID: can anyone confirm if the taper machined into in the late model front upright (ie the type without a "hole" for the steering arm), is the same GT6 and Spitfire.???> The Gt6 uses bigger bearings and a bigger stub axle to match, and i think, a different taper. would like 100% confirmation if possible Terry From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 27 16:07:36 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 15:07:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't know the specific differences but they do carry different part numbers. The late Spit uprights are PN GSJ265 and 266, while the GT6 PNs are GSJ264 and 267. The differences may be just in the finished pieces and the Spit ones may be upgradeable. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 2:21 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright can anyone confirm if the taper machined into in the late model front upright (ie the type without a "hole" for the steering arm), is the same GT6 and Spitfire.???> The Gt6 uses bigger bearings and a bigger stub axle to match, and i think, a different taper. would like 100% confirmation if possible Terry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri May 27 16:36:25 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 18:36:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright Message-ID: <96603.c8a2599.3b118169@aol.com> I would expect them to be different but can't say for sure. I can get exact measurements for a GT6 stub axle if that will help. Anybody got a free Spitty one laying around? In a message dated 5/27/2011 3:31:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: I don't know the specific differences but they do carry different part numbers. The late Spit uprights are PN GSJ265 and 266, while the GT6 PNs are GSJ264 and 267. The differences may be just in the finished pieces and the Spit ones may be upgradeable. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 2:21 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright can anyone confirm if the taper machined into in the late model front upright (ie the type without a "hole" for the steering arm), is the same GT6 and Spitfire.???> The Gt6 uses bigger bearings and a bigger stub axle to match, and i think, a different taper. would like 100% confirmation if possible Terry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From herald948 at aol.com Fri May 27 16:41:56 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 18:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDEAD66AC9379C-183C-713F1@Webmail-m108.sysops.aol.com> Terry, just so I'm on the same page (or at least in the same library!), can you explain what you mean by "taper"? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Enquiries Road & Track can anyone confirm if the taper machined into in the late model front upright (ie the type without a "hole" for the steering arm), is the same GT6 and Spitfire.???> The Gt6 uses bigger bearings and a bigger stub axle to match, and i think, a different taper. would like 100% confirmation if possible From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 27 17:25:56 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 16:25:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright In-Reply-To: <8CDEAD66AC9379C-183C-713F1@Webmail-m108.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDEAD66AC9379C-183C-713F1@Webmail-m108.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <862E4247FC614EEA9844D8F5D1044E8E@Vista> I took that as meaning the tapered hole where the stub axle fits into. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Mace Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 3:42 PM To: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright Terry, just so I'm on the same page (or at least in the same library!), can you explain what you mean by "taper"? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Enquiries Road & Track can anyone confirm if the taper machined into in the late model front upright (ie the type without a "hole" for the steering arm), is the same GT6 and Spitfire.???> The Gt6 uses bigger bearings and a bigger stub axle to match, and i think, a different taper. would like 100% confirmation if possible _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri May 27 18:12:58 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 20:12:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright Message-ID: <2018e.7c11365b.3b11980a@aol.com> I would expect them to be different but can't say for sure. I can get exact measurements for a GT6 stub axle if that will help. Anybody got a free Spitty one laying around? In a message dated 5/27/2011 3:36:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: I would expect them to be different but can't say for sure. I can get exact measurements for a GT6 stub axle if that will help. Anybody got a free Spitty one laying around? In a message dated 5/27/2011 3:31:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: I don't know the specific differences but they do carry different part numbers. The late Spit uprights are PN GSJ265 and 266, while the GT6 PNs are GSJ264 and 267. The differences may be just in the finished pieces and the Spit ones may be upgradeable. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 2:21 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright can anyone confirm if the taper machined into in the late model front upright (ie the type without a "hole" for the steering arm), is the same GT6 and Spitfire.???> The Gt6 uses bigger bearings and a bigger stub axle to match, and i think, a different taper. would like 100% confirmation if possible Terry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From herald948 at aol.com Fri May 27 20:36:16 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 22:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright In-Reply-To: <862E4247FC614EEA9844D8F5D1044E8E@Vista> References: <8CDEAD66AC9379C-183C-713F1@Webmail-m108.sysops.aol.com> <862E4247FC614EEA9844D8F5D1044E8E@Vista> Message-ID: <8CDEAF726E9D5B2-183C-757FC@Webmail-m108.sysops.aol.com> If that's the case, the factory workshop manual shows that taper as 0.9995 - 1.0005" (25.413 - 25.387mm) on both types of vertical links. So the stub axles should be interchangeable? That makes sense (to me, anyway), since the GT6/Vitesse vertical link originated with the Herald. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry I took that as meaning the tapered hole where the stub axle fits into. From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Fri May 27 22:22:49 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 14:22:49 +1000 Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: thanks for rapid feedback folks. the GT6 uses the bigger wheel bearings in common with Triumph 2000, so the stub axle is larger in diameter where the 2 bearings sit. that much is 100% certain. i have Spitfire stub axles but dont have a genuine GT6 one to check what i'm trying to get confirmed, is if the taper where the stub-axle presses into the the upright is the same or different between GT6 & Spitfire 1500 (late upright). the hopeful end result of this query, is I'll buy some fatter/stronger late 1500 uprights which i'll modify for heim joint use (prototype already made) and use GT6 or T2000 stub axles with the big bearings. whislt I'm on this subject, can any of the Spitfire/GT6 racers reading this advise what camber and caster they are using. Our prototype lower heim joint system moves the base out 10mm to give about 2.5 degrees extra camber, and forward about 3mm to give about 0.75 degrees extra castor. terry From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri May 27 23:17:55 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 00:17:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: , , <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com>, <20110526054023.6AE0118765F@autox.team.net>, Message-ID: Thanks Kas. Even if my particular problem is caused to some degree by another problem it sounds like a good idea to shock mount the carb. Duncan On May 26, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > The TR3-4 engine is a maker of really really heavy vibration at about 5200 > revs. In the engine dyno you cannot keep the carb bell in your hand the > vibration is so severe at that rev. The gas in the bowl at that time is > almost all foam. Amazing that engine runs at all there. "O" ringing the > insulater blocks really helps a bunch. > >> From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 07:58:23 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question >> >> With HS6's I haven't had a fuel foaming issue, but with my previous TR4, > with >> H6's I struggled with them as Tony describes. I did three things and solved >> the problem. First I tried safety wire to secure the float bowls from > shaking >> so much, with limited improvement. Second I had been advised that it was > best >> to weld up the tranny mount into a solid mount to avoid failures , but I >> determined that this added to the resonance issues. I now fill the cavity > of >> a stock mount with silicone, gradually so it cures. This is the "Air > Triumph" >> mount. Lastly I placed 2" o-rings between the insulator block and the > intake >> manifold surface (or was it the carb surface?). I used a 2" hole saw to cut > a >> locating groove in the insulator and slightly longer studs to mnount the >> carbs. Worked for me. >> >> Bob Kramer >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf >> Of Tony Drews >> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 12:40 AM >> To: Duncan Charlton; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question >> >> I doubt this is the issue, but one issue that Jack had was a little >> piece of rubber from where the jet tube comes into the float bowl - >> it allowed enough fuel to get through that it ran but would >> occasionally block the jet causing the car to run like crap. Took >> over 5 carb disassemblies before it was found. Different symptoms to >> what you are having, though. >> >> If you have a fuel pressure gauge and EGT gauge (front and rear), you >> can tell whether it's going rich or lean. >> >> We fought issues with fuel pressure regulators (goes lean at end of >> long straight - pulling back on the gas pedal helps) and with >> vibration causing the fuel in the carb bowl to foam (goes rich - >> nothing you do with the gas pedal helps much), as well as the >> orientation of the top of the float bowl (one goes rich - keep the >> revs way up and the problem lessens as you clear the extra fuel more >> quickly). >> >> With the resonance deal foaming the fuel, it seemed that once it got >> started it would continue but if you could eke through the RPM that >> caused the issue the resonance would stop. It wouldn't always >> happen, though. This is a possibility, although what you described >> as trying for the workarounds should have taken care of this issue. >> >> Assuming that it is fuel related, it's a good idea to take the carbs >> apart and make sure everything is completely clean - no dirt in the >> bowl or lines. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From jameselbe at aol.com Sat May 28 09:39:54 2011 From: jameselbe at aol.com (jameselbe at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 11:39:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> References: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CDEB649FEA9588-14A0-23596@webmail-m042.sysops.aol.com> Here's one from left field. I had a similar problem on my TR4 racer. In my case the ignition was a couple of degrees too far advanced. When the car got hot it would sputter. Slow down for a short time and it would clear up and run fine for a few laps. Drove me crazy for a long time. Turned back ignition ,problem went away and never happened again. Same thing happened on my buddies MGB racer. -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 4:24 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question I'm getting some well-thought out suggestions. Thanks to Michael P, Bob K, im M, Jim G, Tony (TR4 Tony), Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, and Bill B. My thoughts that it was fuel related seem to be supported by the fact that ost of you mentioned fuel issues. So far: . Bowl vents clear? Hmm -- we do have mud dauber wasps around here! . Fuel foaming due to vibration? (X2) Possible, and perhaps the new manifold race could add more vibration. . Sticky float or float needles? . Leaky floats? . Resonance due to new brace causing jets to sink down? (They're supported by spring, but it makes sense that resonance could cause the spring to lose ension temporarily, the way a spring governor on a lawnmower engine does) . Needle(s) not properly seated in piston(s)? . Advance profile poor or advance mechanism sticking? . Loose engine ground cable? . Improper jetting for driving style? (Perhaps, but this didn't happen at WS and seemed to get progressively worse at ECR even as I tried to prevent he problem by braking later and sometimes holding throttle pressure while raking) 0. Bowl lids (ie: float hinge point) oriented improperly)? No -- this one as been checked. The suggestion came from someone who was also asking hether it happened more when turning one direction and not another -- irection did not matter. 1. Dirt in carb? (X2) Fuel filter was clear when checked on Saturday but I aven't looked in the float bowls yet. I'll blow the lines back to the fuel ell (no rust seen in fuel cell when I cleaned it out a few months ago -- ound silicone worm scraps, though) 2. Oiling plugs? 3. Intake tract leak? The suggestions will guide my investigation -- thanks, everyone! Duncan 52 Morgan red #6 ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jameselbe at aol.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat May 28 11:09:23 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 12:09:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <8CDEB649FEA9588-14A0-23596@webmail-m042.sysops.aol.com> References: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> <8CDEB649FEA9588-14A0-23596@webmail-m042.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001cc1d59$fe5b4170$fb11c450$@com> Just curious, how much total advance did you have when you were having the problem? Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jameselbe at aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 10:40 AM To: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Here's one from left field. I had a similar problem on my TR4 racer. In my case the ignition was a couple of degrees too far advanced. When the car got hot it would sputter. Slow down for a short time and it would clear up and run fine for a few laps. Drove me crazy for a long time. Turned back ignition ,problem went away and never happened again. Same thing happened on my buddies MGB racer. -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 4:24 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question I'm getting some well-thought out suggestions. Thanks to Michael P, Bob K, im M, Jim G, Tony (TR4 Tony), Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, and Bill B. My thoughts that it was fuel related seem to be supported by the fact that ost of you mentioned fuel issues. So far: . Bowl vents clear? Hmm -- we do have mud dauber wasps around here! . Fuel foaming due to vibration? (X2) Possible, and perhaps the new manifold race could add more vibration. . Sticky float or float needles? . Leaky floats? . Resonance due to new brace causing jets to sink down? (They're supported by spring, but it makes sense that resonance could cause the spring to lose ension temporarily, the way a spring governor on a lawnmower engine does) . Needle(s) not properly seated in piston(s)? . Advance profile poor or advance mechanism sticking? . Loose engine ground cable? . Improper jetting for driving style? (Perhaps, but this didn't happen at WS and seemed to get progressively worse at ECR even as I tried to prevent he problem by braking later and sometimes holding throttle pressure while raking) 0. Bowl lids (ie: float hinge point) oriented improperly)? No -- this one as been checked. The suggestion came from someone who was also asking hether it happened more when turning one direction and not another -- irection did not matter. 1. Dirt in carb? (X2) Fuel filter was clear when checked on Saturday but I aven't looked in the float bowls yet. I'll blow the lines back to the fuel ell (no rust seen in fuel cell when I cleaned it out a few months ago -- ound silicone worm scraps, though) 2. Oiling plugs? 3. Intake tract leak? The suggestions will guide my investigation -- thanks, everyone! Duncan 52 Morgan red #6 ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jameselbe at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From jameselbe at aol.com Sun May 29 09:30:51 2011 From: jameselbe at aol.com (jameselbe at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 11:30:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <000001cc1d59$fe5b4170$fb11c450$@com> References: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> <8CDEB649FEA9588-14A0-23596@webmail-m042.sysops.aol.com> <000001cc1d59$fe5b4170$fb11c450$@com> Message-ID: <8CDEC2C86939782-1988-4DB1@webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com> If I remember correctly it was about 36-37 degrees. Dan, I'm planning on going to Pueblo. Don't know about Neb. yet. Jim TR4 #223 -----Original Message----- From: Tim Murphy To: jameselbe at aol.com; duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 28, 2011 11:09 am Subject: RE: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Just curious, how much total advance did you have when you were having the roblem? Tim -----Original Message----- rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On ehalf Of jameselbe at aol.com ent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 10:40 AM o: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net ubject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Here's one from left field. I had a similar problem on my TR4 racer. In my ase the ignition was a couple of degrees too far advanced. When the car got ot it would sputter. Slow down for a short time and it would clear up and un ine for a few laps. Drove me crazy for a long time. Turned back ignition problem went away and never happened again. Same thing happened on my uddies GB racer. ----Original Message----- rom: Duncan Charlton o: fot at autox.team.net ent: Wed, May 25, 2011 4:24 pm ubject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question 'm getting some well-thought out suggestions. Thanks to Michael P, Bob K, m M, Jim G, Tony (TR4 Tony), Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, and Bill B. y thoughts that it was fuel related seem to be supported by the fact that st of you mentioned fuel issues. So far: Bowl vents clear? Hmm -- we do have mud dauber wasps around here! Fuel foaming due to vibration? (X2) Possible, and perhaps the new anifold ace could add more vibration. Sticky float or float needles? Leaky floats? Resonance due to new brace causing jets to sink down? (They're supported y spring, but it makes sense that resonance could cause the spring to lose nsion temporarily, the way a spring governor on a lawnmower engine does) Needle(s) not properly seated in piston(s)? Advance profile poor or advance mechanism sticking? Loose engine ground cable? Improper jetting for driving style? (Perhaps, but this didn't happen at S and seemed to get progressively worse at ECR even as I tried to prevent e problem by braking later and sometimes holding throttle pressure while aking) . Bowl lids (ie: float hinge point) oriented improperly)? No -- this one s been checked. The suggestion came from someone who was also asking ether it happened more when turning one direction and not another -- rection did not matter. . Dirt in carb? (X2) Fuel filter was clear when checked on Saturday but I ven't looked in the float bowls yet. I'll blow the lines back to the fuel ll (no rust seen in fuel cell when I cleaned it out a few months ago -- und silicone worm scraps, though) . Oiling plugs? . Intake tract leak? he suggestions will guide my investigation -- thanks, everyone! uncan 2 Morgan red #6 _____________________________________________ t at autox.team.net ttp://www.fot-racing.com onate: http://www.team.net/donate.html chive: http://www.team.net/archive rums: http://www.team.net/forums subscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jameselbe at aol.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 30 12:03:01 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 12:03:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances Message-ID: <20110530180533.85397187660@autox.team.net> FoT, I can't seem to locate much information on TR-4 cam bearings. I'm sure many would appreciate any input on the following topics. I'm seeing some wear on my cam and bearings that needs to be addressed now. Questions are as follows; What are racing clearances for front bearing. What are racing clearances for the other three bearings. Does anyone use friction reducing coatings on their cam bearings. Cam thrust..any info. Cam bearing type & manufacture. Any hot tips for cam bearings and overall longevity. Thanks for the input as always, jim g From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 30 13:30:41 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 13:30:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing Message-ID: <20110530193313.4C24F187650@autox.team.net> FoT, I'm considering building a tool that will flush oil lines, brake lines and fuel lines while left in the car. This can be accomplished with a harbor freight parts washer and some adapter fittings, hoses and filters. The part I'm hung up on is the solvent used. My first thought was denatured alcohol because with compressed air used after the flushing any residue would easily evaporate. Two things came up, flash point and erosion of rubber lines. If anybody has any thoughts on such a tool that won't blow up, eat rubber lines and won't leave residue please jump in. as always, jim g From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Mon May 30 14:12:47 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 16:12:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing Message-ID: <13fa3.2055c884.3b15543f@aol.com> When I converted to silicone I used denatured alcohol with no problems. Sam In a message dated 5/30/2011 2:33:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: FoT, I'm considering building a tool that will flush oil lines, brake lines and fuel lines while left in the car. This can be accomplished with a harbor freight parts washer and some adapter fittings, hoses and filters. The part I'm hung up on is the solvent used. My first thought was denatured alcohol because with compressed air used after the flushing any residue would easily evaporate. Two things came up, flash point and erosion of rubber lines. If anybody has any thoughts on such a tool that won't blow up, eat rubber lines and won't leave residue please jump in. as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From igofaster at att.net Mon May 30 15:49:56 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 14:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing In-Reply-To: <20110530193313.4C24F187650@autox.team.net> References: <20110530193313.4C24F187650@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <374292.67234.qm@web180809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> As I have not yet flushed my oil lines out from engine failure, I too would like input on the best way to clean out the oil lines. I thought about a water hose with a strong nozzle. I also thought about running the hoses through my parts washer with kerosene. About a dozen times each hose? Comments? Bobby Whitehead To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 2:30:41 PM Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing FoT, I'm considering building a tool that will flush oil lines, brake lines and fuel lines while left in the car. This can be accomplished with a harbor freight parts washer and some adapter fittings, hoses and filters. The part I'm hung up on is the solvent used. My first thought was denatured alcohol because with compressed air used after the flushing any residue would easily evaporate. Two things came up, flash point and erosion of rubber lines. If anybody has any thoughts on such a tool that won't blow up, eat rubber lines and won't leave residue please jump in. as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 30 16:16:23 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 16:16:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing In-Reply-To: <13fa3.2055c884.3b15543f@aol.com> Message-ID: <20110530221855.89A0618766F@autox.team.net> "When I converted to silicone I used denatured alcohol with no problems." Through a parts washer ? _____ From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com [mailto:TRDOCTOR at aol.com] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 2:13 PM To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil line flushing When I converted to silicone I used denatured alcohol with no problems. Sam In a message dated 5/30/2011 2:33:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: FoT, I'm considering building a tool that will flush oil lines, brake lines and fuel lines while left in the car. This can be accomplished with a harbor freight parts washer and some adapter fittings, hoses and filters. The part I'm hung up on is the solvent used. My first thought was denatured alcohol because with compressed air used after the flushing any residue would easily evaporate. Two things came up, flash point and erosion of rubber lines. If anybody has any thoughts on such a tool that won't blow up, eat rubber lines and won't leave residue please jump in. as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Mon May 30 16:52:47 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 18:52:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing Message-ID: <18377.44513dfd.3b1579bf@aol.com> No. I just opened up the bleeders and poured it through and blew it out with compressed air. No problerms. Sam In a message dated 5/30/2011 5:18:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: bWhen I converted to silicone I used denatured alcohol with no problems.b Through a parts washer ? ____________________________________ From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com [mailto:TRDOCTOR at aol.com] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 2:13 PM To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil line flushing When I converted to silicone I used denatured alcohol with no problems. Sam In a message dated 5/30/2011 2:33:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: FoT, I'm considering building a tool that will flush oil lines, brake lines and fuel lines while left in the car. This can be accomplished with a harbor freight parts washer and some adapter fittings, hoses and filters. The part I'm hung up on is the solvent used. My first thought was denatured alcohol because with compressed air used after the flushing any residue would easily evaporate. Two things came up, flash point and erosion of rubber lines. If anybody has any thoughts on such a tool that won't blow up, eat rubber lines and won't leave residue please jump in. as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon May 30 17:46:10 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 18:46:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D392@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I usually take them to one of those self service car wash places and shoot high pressure hot soapy water through them, switching ends a few times. If you do this, make sure you have the nozzle firmly in the fitting before pulling the trigger. If not, that high pressure water can tear a big hole in your hand. Io can show you the scars. :-) Scott B. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: Jim Gray Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Mon May 30 16:49:56 2011 Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil line flushing As I have not yet flushed my oil lines out from engine failure, I too would like input on the best way to clean out the oil lines. I thought about a water hose with a strong nozzle. I also thought about running the hoses through my parts washer with kerosene. About a dozen times each hose? Comments? Bobby Whitehead To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 2:30:41 PM Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing FoT, I'm considering building a tool that will flush oil lines, brake lines and fuel lines while left in the car. This can be accomplished with a harbor freight parts washer and some adapter fittings, hoses and filters. The part I'm hung up on is the solvent used. My first thought was denatured alcohol because with compressed air used after the flushing any residue would easily evaporate. Two things came up, flash point and erosion of rubber lines. If anybody has any thoughts on such a tool that won't blow up, eat rubber lines and won't leave residue please jump in. as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From trdoctor at aol.com Mon May 30 21:31:35 2011 From: trdoctor at aol.com (trdoctor at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 22:31:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Smog Pump In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D392@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D392@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: My friend.and fellow club member, John Phillips, is working on another member's TR8 and is having problems withe engine running too rich. The carbs have been rebuilt and an electric fuel pump has been installed supposedly of the proper pressure. Also the smog pump has had the belt removed. Could the smog pump have something to do with the rich condition? Any suggestions? Sam From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon May 30 22:51:00 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 21:51:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup @ Laguna Seca Message-ID: <4DE473B4.7040403@comcast.net> Well, I got the trailer prepped today for the long tow to California. The car's virtually ready. Still waiting to see a schedule and an entry list. Anyone else seen anything? From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue May 31 08:11:47 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 07:11:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup @ Laguna Seca References: <4DE473B4.7040403@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43500E7F5D3D4EBFAFD226606FA2F761@Charly> Me neither. It'd be nice to see something before making the haul from Tacoma WA. Charly Mitchel TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Norlin" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 9:51 PM Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup @ Laguna Seca > Well, I got the trailer prepped today for the long tow to California. The > car's virtually ready. Still waiting to see a schedule and an entry list. > Anyone else seen anything? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue May 31 09:30:05 2011 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 08:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Classic Message-ID: <69799.15081.qm@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Might as well start asking; anyone have a crew pass for the Blackhawk Classic I could use? Thanks, Ernie From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue May 31 11:20:26 2011 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 10:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Classic pass obtained Message-ID: <692118.77985.qm@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thanks to Beady Eye Racing I'm set. From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue May 31 12:15:32 2011 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 18:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Laguna crew pass? In-Reply-To: <1204912802.959448.1306865702362.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <670072297.959516.1306865732536.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Does anyone have an extra crew pass for the Kastner Cup event? I'll be 'crewsing' around, ready and willing to help where and when needed. Thanks, Dave Hogye From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Tue May 31 12:52:32 2011 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 14:52:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question References: <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com> Message-ID: <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae> Ken Gillanders told me a racing story many years ago from the late 1950s. Maybe it applies here. It seems that a racing Mini had two fire extinguisher bottles. One bottle was filled with the approved fire extinguisher inside. The other was filled with pure nitrogen and the driver would flick a switch that released a sudden huge mass of nitrogen out through small holes in a copper pipe hidden under the rear bumper. Every corner - just like you Duncan - the cars following would seem to suffer fuel starvation problems and by the time the cars following got un-spluttered again, the Mini was far gone. You need oxygen in the air/fuel mixture - not pure nitrogen and fuel. Leave it up to Ken to tell a great story ! ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question > It seems to me a classic SU dirt problem. > Debris is somewhere in float chamber and blocking from time to time the > needle jet. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca From gaf3 at charter.net Tue May 31 13:05:00 2011 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 15:05:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cam Timing Degree Specs Message-ID: <4DE53BDC.2020807@charter.net> Hi I putting a late model 74 TR6 back together after a rebuild. I'm attempting to time the cam. This one has no marks on the gears since it had been replaced. I have the degree wheel set up but I'm having difficulty finding the cam specs for a stock TR6 Cam? And if found what amount of lift does the specs relate to (.050"??) on this engine. Can anyone out there point me in the right direction. The head has not been installed and I have the degree wheel set and the dial indicator taking measurements off the pushrod. Thanks in advance Glenn From billb at bnj.com Tue May 31 13:34:48 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 12:34:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae> References: <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com> <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae> Message-ID: <64BACA4B-B3ED-4D74-9CBF-7F6A78D61B82@bnj.com> Great story, highly unlikely. You'd need a huge volume to do anything in an unconstrained, turbulent space like that. On May 31, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Don Elliott wrote: > Ken Gillanders told me a racing story many years ago from the late 1950s. Maybe it applies here. > > It seems that a racing Mini had two fire extinguisher bottles. One bottle was filled with the approved fire extinguisher inside. The other was filled with pure nitrogen and the driver would flick a switch that released a sudden huge mass of nitrogen out through small holes in a copper pipe hidden under the rear bumper. Every corner - just like you Duncan - the cars following would seem to suffer fuel starvation problems and by the time the cars following got un-spluttered again, the Mini was far gone. > > You need oxygen in the air/fuel mixture - not pure nitrogen and fuel. > > Leave it up to Ken to tell a great story ! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:46 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question > > >> It seems to me a classic SU dirt problem. >> Debris is somewhere in float chamber and blocking from time to time the >> needle jet. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From bownes at seiri.com Tue May 31 13:53:35 2011 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 15:53:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <64BACA4B-B3ED-4D74-9CBF-7F6A78D61B82@bnj.com> References: <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com> <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae> <64BACA4B-B3ED-4D74-9CBF-7F6A78D61B82@bnj.com> Message-ID: <21DAB3B5-7C5A-4FF8-BA3B-09368EF362DF@seiri.com> Now if your mix is adjustable and you can dump a bunch of O2 right in front of your own intake...:) On May 31, 2011, at 15:34, Bill Babcock wrote: > Great story, highly unlikely. You'd need a huge volume to do anything in an > unconstrained, turbulent space like that. > > On May 31, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Don Elliott wrote: > >> Ken Gillanders told me a racing story many years ago from the late 1950s. > Maybe it applies here. >> >> It seems that a racing Mini had two fire extinguisher bottles. One bottle > was filled with the approved fire extinguisher inside. The other was filled > with pure nitrogen and the driver would flick a switch that released a sudden > huge mass of nitrogen out through small holes in a copper pipe hidden under > the rear bumper. Every corner - just like you Duncan - the cars following > would seem to suffer fuel starvation problems and by the time the cars > following got un-spluttered again, the Mini was far gone. >> >> You need oxygen in the air/fuel mixture - not pure nitrogen and fuel. >> >> Leave it up to Ken to tell a great story ! >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:46 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question >> >> >>> It seems to me a classic SU dirt problem. >>> Debris is somewhere in float chamber and blocking from time to time the >>> needle jet. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Chris >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >> >> > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From jason at multivintage.com Tue May 31 13:58:04 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 14:58:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Race report and Gt6 Tie rod set? Message-ID: Amici, I had my best racing weekend to date at blackhawk farms this weekend. My GT6 was on fire. I started 10th after qualifying on dry tires in the pouring rain. With off and on heavy rain before the race I had no choice but to go out on rain tires... then it stopped raining just as we made our way to the grid. Looking for wetness on the outside of turns and taking some very strange lines to keep my tires cool on the drying track I kept getting faster and faster as the race went on, lapping very fast cars and picking off cars at a rapid pace. With a few laps left, I saw the leader in sight and made a hard charge for the front now with little regard for conserving the tires.I was back and forth for second many times. With one lap to go I was 3rd, nose to tail 1,2,3 with lapped traffic in the mix ahead of us. Out of the last turn we dragged raced 3 wide to the checkered. I ended up in second place, .02 ahead of third and just missing my first victory...a mere .8 second behind. It was totally awesome. In other Triumph news... Scott Barr had a solid run in his Spitfire moving up through the field from the back of the grid to finish 10th. He moved up 10 spots. The only other Triumph, Gade Snodgrass,Running in the F prod group Broke his 3rd rear trans extension in as many races, and is struggling to figure out how to get his Tilton clutch to work properly. ??? Now that I'm done with my moment of glory, I need new gt6 tie rods. Looks like only some of the piece are available in Vic Brit catalogue I don't think the washer set they have available is enough to fix the major amount of steering play I have and I would like to replace the whole thing. Two questions, is there something better I should be using for a Tie rod end... and where should I get some new ones? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From kaskas at cox.net Tue May 31 14:27:37 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 20:27:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <21DAB3B5-7C5A-4FF8-BA3B-09368EF362DF@seiri.com> References: , <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com>, <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae>, <64BACA4B-B3ED-4D74-9CBF-7F6A78D61B82@bnj.com>, <21DAB3B5-7C5A-4FF8-BA3B-09368EF362DF@seiri.com> Message-ID: Boy, is that ever a stretch of the imagination. Never be beaten by equipment > From: bownes at seiri.com > Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 15:53:35 -0400 > To: billb at bnj.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question > > Now if your mix is adjustable and you can dump a bunch of O2 right in front of > your own intake...:) > > > > On May 31, 2011, at 15:34, Bill Babcock wrote: > > > Great story, highly unlikely. You'd need a huge volume to do anything in an > > unconstrained, turbulent space like that. > > > > On May 31, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Don Elliott wrote: > > > >> Ken Gillanders told me a racing story many years ago from the late 1950s. > > Maybe it applies here. > >> > >> It seems that a racing Mini had two fire extinguisher bottles. One bottle > > was filled with the approved fire extinguisher inside. The other was > filled > > with pure nitrogen and the driver would flick a switch that released a > sudden > > huge mass of nitrogen out through small holes in a copper pipe hidden under > > the rear bumper. Every corner - just like you Duncan - the cars following > > would seem to suffer fuel starvation problems and by the time the cars > > following got un-spluttered again, the Mini was far gone. > >> > >> You need oxygen in the air/fuel mixture - not pure nitrogen and fuel. > >> > >> Leave it up to Ken to tell a great story ! > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" > >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:46 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question > >> > >> > >>> It seems to me a classic SU dirt problem. > >>> Debris is somewhere in float chamber and blocking from time to time the > >>> needle jet. > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> Chris > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > >> > >> > > > > Bill Babcock > > billb at bnj.com > > 503.936.7660 > > www.bnj.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 31 14:34:29 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 13:34:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: , <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com>, <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae>, <64BACA4B-B3ED-4D74-9CBF-7F6A78D61B82@bnj.com>, <21DAB3B5-7C5A-4FF8-BA3B-09368EF362DF@seiri.com> Message-ID: Kas, I found an exception to your trademark motto. If you want to be beaten by equipment, take up golf. Even the most expensive equipment will render you helpless. :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:28 PM To: bownes at seiri.com; billb at bnj.com Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Boy, is that ever a stretch of the imagination. Never be beaten by equipment From wensley_tr at comcast.net Tue May 31 14:47:26 2011 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 16:47:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: , <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com>, <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae>, <64BACA4B-B3ED-4D74-9CBF-7F6A78D61B82@bnj.com>, <21DAB3B5-7C5A-4FF8-BA3B-09368EF362DF@seiri.com> Message-ID: <003101cc1fd3$f57a5f60$e06f1e20$@net> take up golf. Even the most expensive equipment will render you helpless. That's so true Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:34 PM To: 'Kas Kastner'; bownes at seiri.com; billb at bnj.com Cc: 'fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Kas, I found an exception to your trademark motto. If you want to be beaten by equipment, take up golf. Even the most expensive equipment will render you helpless. :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:28 PM To: bownes at seiri.com; billb at bnj.com Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Boy, is that ever a stretch of the imagination. Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue May 31 15:40:36 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 16:40:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Race report from Blackhawk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D3B8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << In other Triumph news... Scott Barr had a solid run in his Spitfire moving up through the field from the back of the grid to finish 10th. He moved up 10 spots. >> We had a great day, too. I got no qualifying time, as we cleverly located a broken wheel stud just as we were getting ready to go out for qualifying. So I started at the back of the grid and had a hoot working my way up through the field. In the wet, it becomes really clear what a great little car the Spitfire is. Even though they all steam past on the straights, you get to reel them in and pass them in the twisty bits. The video I shot with the new GoPro cam looks good. But it does shut off unexpectedly near the end of the race. Has anyone gotten an answer from GoPro as to why it does that and how to prevent it? Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 2:58 PM To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] Race report and Gt6 Tie rod set? Amici, I had my best racing weekend to date at blackhawk farms this weekend. My GT6 was on fire. I started 10th after qualifying on dry tires in the pouring rain. With off and on heavy rain before the race I had no choice but to go out on rain tires... then it stopped raining just as we made our way to the grid. Looking for wetness on the outside of turns and taking some very strange lines to keep my tires cool on the drying track I kept getting faster and faster as the race went on, lapping very fast cars and picking off cars at a rapid pace. With a few laps left, I saw the leader in sight and made a hard charge for the front now with little regard for conserving the tires.I was back and forth for second many times. With one lap to go I was 3rd, nose to tail 1,2,3 with lapped traffic in the mix ahead of us. Out of the last turn we dragged raced 3 wide to the checkered. I ended up in second place, .02 ahead of third and just missing my first victory...a mere .8 second behind. It was totally awesome. In other Triumph news... Scott Barr had a solid run in his Spitfire moving up through the field from the back of the grid to finish 10th. He moved up 10 spots. The only other Triumph, Gade Snodgrass,Running in the F prod group Broke his 3rd rear trans extension in as many races, and is struggling to figure out how to get his Tilton clutch to work properly. ??? From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue May 31 16:03:05 2011 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 22:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Laguna crew pass In-Reply-To: <985679157.973512.1306879377716.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1625013145.973515.1306879385457.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Thanks for the response to my crew pass inquiry. I think that there usually isn't a cover to this event and if there is, no problem. I may have made a $20 donation at this HMSA event before, but a crew pass gets special access to parking in the paddock and perhaps hot pit access if need be. So I thought I'd put a call out for a crew pass. I guess we're all just winging it for now. See ya'll there, Dave From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue May 31 17:11:18 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 16:11:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae> References: <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com> <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae> Message-ID: <003f01cc1fe8$0cfd6ab0$26f84010$@rr.com> > Ken Gillanders told me a racing story many years ago from the late > 1950s. > Maybe it applies here. Seems like I heard the same story from Ken, except it was Halon rather than nitrogen and it only affected the car immediately behind the rear bumper. Still just a good story IMO, but it doesn't take much Halon to seriously mess with combustion. Of course, that would have to make it in the 60s, since I don't think Halon was invented until 1960 or so. -- Randall From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Tue May 31 18:33:59 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 20:33:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit parts Message-ID: Amici, I was going threw some of my extra spit parts. They need a new home and I need the money and space. I have: Hard top $200. glass is in good shape. one small dent. needs new seals and trim and headliner. some rust around driver corner. Smog pump. doesn't turn. FREE Triumph center caps $10. 7 black, 2 missing triumph sticker. 2 silver. I know I have another 4 black somewhere. Seat belts $10. Stock faded black. doesn't retract. have all the parts Lucas starters $10. Have 3 and no idea if they work and could care less. Frame for 74 $100. Straight, painted black, outriggers not bent. Tub for 74 $100. Needs floors and have NEW floors for it. Passenger rocker could use inner, outer is fine. Needs very little work. No dents. Doors for 74 $50 for both. Has window and mechanisms. No interior panel or outside handle. No dents and no rust that I can see. I have pictures for all listed I have some other parts also. I figured I would offer them to the FOT before going ebay with them. I do travel to a few races and can easily bring them. Christopher Bock www.SeaCubeCo.com SeaCubeCo at aol.com (609) 319-4322 From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue May 31 18:57:44 2011 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 17:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <400896.34988.qm@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> http://www.djazmatic.com/find11.html From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 31 19:48:24 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 21:48:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna crew pass....camping, etc In-Reply-To: <1625013145.973515.1306879385457.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CDEE1520E5CDBB-820-BD09B@webmail-d177.sysops.aol.com> are we going to need anything special to get in with our rv and tent? sean, mark, brendan, jan, and i plan to camp at the track. hate to have any surprises after 2000 mile trip. any schedule yet? joe alexander -----Original Message----- From: davehogye To: Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 5:03 pm Subject: [Fot] Laguna crew pass Thanks for the response to my crew pass inquiry. I think that there usually isn't a cover to this event and if there is, no problem. I may have made a $20 donation at this HMSA event before, but a crew pass gets special access to parking in the paddock and perhaps hot pit access if need be. So I thought I'd put a call out for a crew pass. I guess we're all just winging it for now. See ya'll there, Dave _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue May 31 20:04:12 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:04:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna crew pass....camping, etc In-Reply-To: <8CDEE1520E5CDBB-820-BD09B@webmail-d177.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDEE1520E5CDBB-820-BD09B@webmail-d177.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DE59E1C.2050006@comcast.net> Joe I sent an e-mail off last night toCris Vandagriff who sent out the confirmation e-mails and said they were working on the race groups and schedule. I asked for the schedule and entry list. So far, no response. Our drive is a lot shorter, but we leave Friday morning and have the same concerns. Jim On 5/31/2011 6:48 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > are we going to need anything special to get in with our rv and tent? > > sean, mark, brendan, jan, and i plan to camp at the track. > > hate to have any surprises after 2000 mile trip. > > any schedule yet? > > joe alexander > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: davehogye > To: Fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 5:03 pm > Subject: [Fot] Laguna crew pass > > > Thanks for the response to my crew pass inquiry. I think that there usually > isn't a cover to this event and if there is, no problem. I may have made a $20 > donation at this HMSA event before, but a crew pass gets special access to > parking in the paddock and perhaps hot pit access if need be. So I thought I'd > put a call out for a crew pass. I guess we're all just winging it for now. > See ya'll there, > Dave > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Tue May 31 20:27:13 2011 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 12:27:13 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Diff Message-ID: Amici Can someone please help me out with the pinion height for setting up a new diff and what are the datum points ie top of pinion head to what point in case. I seem to remember someone having this info Geoff Byrne TR6 racer Down Under From goodparts at verizon.net Tue May 31 20:27:46 2011 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 22:27:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cam Timing Degree Specs In-Reply-To: <4DE53BDC.2020807@charter.net> References: <4DE53BDC.2020807@charter.net> Message-ID: Glenn, The timing specs for the late TR6 cam are: Intake open 18 deg BTDC, close 58 deg ABDC Exhaust open 58 deg BBDC, close 18 deg ATDC I believe these timing specs are supposed to be point of opening/closing. If that is the case, with valve clearance spec of .010" at the valve, the tappet has to move .010" divided by rocker ratio of 1.45:1 = .007" before the valve starts opening. So you should be able to time to these specs at .007" of tappet lift. Stock cams I have checked appear to have this advertised duration at about .010" tappet lift so you may have to go to .010" to get these timing points to hold out. I have never seen .050" timing specs for the stock cam but the ones I have checked appear to have about 210 deg duration at .050" so the timing specs would be: Intake open 5 deg ATDC, close 35 deg ABDC Exhaust open 35 deg BBDC, close 5 deg BTDC Regards, Richard Good Good Parts Inc. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Franco" Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 3:05 PM To: "Friends of triumph" ; <6pack at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Cam Timing Degree Specs > Hi > I putting a late model 74 TR6 back together after a rebuild. > I'm attempting to time the cam. This one has no marks on the gears since > it had been replaced. > I have the degree wheel set up but I'm having difficulty finding the cam > specs for a stock TR6 Cam? > And if found what amount of lift does the specs relate to (.050"??) on > this engine. > Can anyone out there point me in the right direction. > The head has not been installed and I have the degree wheel set and the > dial indicator taking measurements off the pushrod. > Thanks in advance > Glenn From mark at bradakis.com Tue May 31 21:01:54 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 21:01:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <400896.34988.qm@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <400896.34988.qm@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DE5ABA2.8030806@bradakis.com> I've moved Ernie's address to moderated, so no further crap from his hacked account should reach the list. Sorry I still don't have the tools in place to catch this beforehand. mjb. From andre at gt6.ca Sun May 1 05:29:07 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 07:29:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me In-Reply-To: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ah it could have been worst ;) -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 30 April 2011 23:08, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > After a wonderful 1st experience with 24 hr of Lemons.. I decided I needed a > $500 project for Lemons. Viola !!! A 1993 Miata is in my near future. > > Hey... with 3 Triumphs, I needed something to work on... > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca From pcdelux at verizon.net Sun May 1 05:48:18 2011 From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 07:48:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002201cc07f5$ab005750$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0> The abuse you will endure from the Lemons "scrutineers" will be punishment enough. Bill DeWar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 11:08 PM Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me > After a wonderful 1st experience with 24 hr of Lemons.. I decided I needed a > $500 project for Lemons. Viola !!! A 1993 Miata is in my near future. > > Hey... with 3 Triumphs, I needed something to work on... > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux at verizon.net From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun May 1 16:45:09 2011 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 18:45:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me In-Reply-To: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DBDE275.8080605@twcny.rr.com> Seriously, if you have 3 triumphs and you needed to buy a Miata to find something to work on, you have to say you are my hero... M From andre at gt6.ca Sun May 1 16:57:54 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 18:57:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me In-Reply-To: <4DBDE275.8080605@twcny.rr.com> References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DBDE275.8080605@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: Wait for it. Hmm can I put a Miata engine into a Triumph??? hehe (We've all thought about it) A. On 1 May 2011 18:45, Mark Eginton wrote: > Seriously, if you have 3 triumphs and you needed to buy a Miata to find > something to work on, you have to say you are my hero... > > M > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Sun May 1 17:19:25 2011 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 19:19:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me In-Reply-To: References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DBDE275.8080605@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <000b01cc0856$36177b60$a2467220$@rr.com> Nope, sorry, not all! Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 6:58 PM To: Mark Eginton Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Please don't disown me Wait for it. Hmm can I put a Miata engine into a Triumph??? hehe (We've all thought about it) A. On 1 May 2011 18:45, Mark Eginton wrote: > Seriously, if you have 3 triumphs and you needed to buy a Miata to find > something to work on, you have to say you are my hero... > > M > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From bownes at seiri.com Sun May 1 17:23:48 2011 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 19:23:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me In-Reply-To: References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DBDE275.8080605@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: Would be too much empty space around it! :) Sent from (the passenger seat of) our 95 miata, top down @ 75mph on I87. On May 1, 2011, at 18:57, Andre Rousseau wrote: > Wait for it. > > Hmm can I put a Miata engine into a Triumph??? > > hehe > > (We've all thought about it) > > A. > > On 1 May 2011 18:45, Mark Eginton wrote: >> Seriously, if you have 3 triumphs and you needed to buy a Miata to find >> something to work on, you have to say you are my hero... >> >> M >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca >> >> >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun May 1 23:59:04 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 07:59:04 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Triumph at Pakistan In-Reply-To: References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DBDE275.8080605@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001cc088e$0db3b0c0$291b1240$@com> Congratulations for your victory at Pakistan!! Chris From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon May 2 09:02:44 2011 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 11:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler Message-ID: Hi, You know, sometimes you read a post and the "the light comes on". I pulled my TR6 engine to fix an oil leak, blah blah. All fixed and reinstalled. I run an event last weekend. No probs. Just a couple of drips from the oil filter head. So, I do my fluids-check and nutnboltcheck and the engine is down a quart. I look EVERYWHERE for evidence of an oil leak. I figure being down a quart is a lot considering that I made three 60-second autocross runs, so there sould be a giant puddle in the trailer or a lot of oil on the frame - nope. nothing. no puddles, no drips. Doh - I forgot that I had purged the oil cooler lines! Question answered. Thanks for the thread! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From budscars at comcast.net Mon May 2 10:32:42 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 09:32:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph at Pakistan References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4DBDE275.8080605@twcny.rr.com> <000001cc088e$0db3b0c0$291b1240$@com> Message-ID: <181B5AC14CDE40759000920EAFA524BC@Bud> Thanks Chris!..and God Bless our Military and all who have helped in this endeavor . ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 10:59 PM Subject: [Fot] Triumph at Pakistan > Congratulations for your victory at Pakistan!! > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From igofaster at att.net Mon May 2 11:39:23 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 10:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42199.21881.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Purchased a new oil cooler for the GT6. Still waiting word on the 'autopsy' on the engine. I also pulled the 3 quart Accusump to send back for refurbishing. Maybe I should have looked at that sooner. There was more sludge in the tank than I would have guessed. So... is that a regular maintenance item we should be looking at? Another question, there is a relief valve (like a tire stem) I bled too. There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained but before I purged the air. When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small amount of air pressure in the tank? Curious... Bobby Whitehead no plans for a Miata swap in ANY Triumph.... ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 10:02:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler Hi, You know, sometimes you read a post and the "the light comes on". I pulled my TR6 engine to fix an oil leak, blah blah. All fixed and reinstalled. I run an event last weekend. No probs. Just a couple of drips from the oil filter head. So, I do my fluids-check and nutnboltcheck and the engine is down a quart. I look EVERYWHERE for evidence of an oil leak. I figure being down a quart is a lot considering that I made three 60-second autocross runs, so there sould be a giant puddle in the trailer or a lot of oil on the frame - nope. nothing. no puddles, no drips. Doh - I forgot that I had purged the oil cooler lines! Question answered. Thanks for the thread! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From rjl6n at cstone.net Mon May 2 12:10:33 2011 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 14:10:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: <42199.21881.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <42199.21881.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1eb8a64e49bf547e46bb614cca215273.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Hi Bobby, That "relief stem" is not actually a relief valve. That valve is there to pressurize the system. That is what pushes the oil back into the engine; it allows you to put some air pressure behind the piston, to push on the piston which provides the force to put oil into the engine when needed. How much air pressure you put in there (partly) determines how fast the oil flows back into the engine. As I recall, the directions that came with the Accusump gave a range of suggested pressures. Hope that helps, John On Mon, May 2, 2011 1:39 pm, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Purchased a new oil cooler for the GT6. Still waiting word on the > 'autopsy' on > the engine. I also pulled the 3 quart Accusump to send back for > refurbishing. > Maybe I should have looked at that sooner. There was more sludge in the > tank > than I would have guessed. So... is that a regular maintenance item we > should be > looking at? Another question, there is a relief valve (like a tire stem) I > bled > too. There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained > but > before I purged the air. > When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small > amount of air pressure in the tank? > > Curious... > > Bobby Whitehead > > no plans for a Miata swap in ANY Triumph.... From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 2 12:51:35 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 18:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: <42199.21881.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1322300169.623678.1304362295129.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> You do have to pressurize the sump cannister, that's what partially what forces the oil into the engine. I've done it without disassembly with mineral spirits & poured remnance through white paper towels watching for clean & clear fluid to run out. You can disassemble them and clean it yourself. You just need to fabricate a simple tool with a couple dowels to screw the end of the sump off. A handle of sorts ( steel flat bar ) with tow dowels ( or bolts )B perpendicular to the handle with the correct spacing between them. Jim G ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "Robert M. Lang" Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Monday, May 2, 2011 11:39:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler Purchased a new oil cooler for the GT6. Still waiting word on the 'autopsy' on the engine. I also pulled the 3 quart Accusump to send back for refurbishing. Maybe I should have looked at that sooner. There was more sludge in the tank than I would have guessed. So... is that a regular maintenance item we should be looking at? Another question, there is a relief valve (like a tire stem) I bled too. There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained but before I purged the air. When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small amount of air pressure in the tank? Curious... Bobby Whitehead no plans for a Miata swap in ANY Triumph.... ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 10:02:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler Hi, You know, sometimes you read a post and the "the light comes on". I pulled my TR6 engine to fix an oil leak, blah blah. All fixed and reinstalled. I run an event last weekend. No probs. Just a couple of drips from the oil filter head. So, I do my fluids-check and nutnboltcheck and the engine is down a quart. I look EVERYWHERE for evidence of an oil leak. I figure being down a quart is a lot considering that I made three 60-second autocross runs, so there sould be a giant puddle in the trailer or a lot of oil on the frame - nope. nothing. no puddles, no drips. Doh - I forgot that I had purged the oil cooler lines! Question answered. Thanks for the thread! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From sjanzen at me.com Mon May 2 12:53:49 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 14:53:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: <1eb8a64e49bf547e46bb614cca215273.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> References: <42199.21881.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1eb8a64e49bf547e46bb614cca215273.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Message-ID: I've always used about 25 lb, figuring I need that much to maintain oil pressure in the galleys. However, I just looked at Accusump's instructions, and they say only 7-10 psi is needed. I guess my 'sump will now have more oil in it! On May 2, 2011, at 2:10 PM, rjl6n at cstone.net wrote: Hi Bobby, That "relief stem" is not actually a relief valve. That valve is there to pressurize the system. That is what pushes the oil back into the engine; it allows you to put some air pressure behind the piston, to push on the piston which provides the force to put oil into the engine when needed. How much air pressure you put in there (partly) determines how fast the oil flows back into the engine. As I recall, the directions that came with the Accusump gave a range of suggested pressures. Hope that helps, John On Mon, May 2, 2011 1:39 pm, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Purchased a new oil cooler for the GT6. Still waiting word on the > 'autopsy' on > the engine. I also pulled the 3 quart Accusump to send back for > refurbishing. > Maybe I should have looked at that sooner. There was more sludge in the > tank > than I would have guessed. So... is that a regular maintenance item we > should be > looking at? Another question, there is a relief valve (like a tire stem) I > bled > too. There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained > but > before I purged the air. > When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small > amount of air pressure in the tank? > > Curious... > > Bobby Whitehead > > no plans for a Miata swap in ANY Triumph.... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon May 2 13:07:59 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 15:07:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler Message-ID: <576.4cf99d84.3af05b0f@aol.com> Put exactly the air pressure into the accumulator that you want to maintain as a minimum. When oil pressure is higher than that the piston will be pushed to the air end "accumulating" oil. When pressure drops below the preset the piston will be pushed toward the oil end forcing the oil "accumulated" into the bearings where you want it. In a message dated 5/2/2011 11:02:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, igofaster at att.net writes: Purchased a new oil cooler for the GT6. Still waiting word on the 'autopsy' on the engine. I also pulled the 3 quart Accusump to send back for refurbishing. Maybe I should have looked at that sooner. There was more sludge in the tank than I would have guessed. So... is that a regular maintenance item we should be looking at? Another question, there is a relief valve (like a tire stem) I bled too. There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained but before I purged the air. When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small amount of air pressure in the tank? Curious... Bobby Whitehead no plans for a Miata swap in ANY Triumph.... ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 10:02:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler Hi, You know, sometimes you read a post and the "the light comes on". I pulled my TR6 engine to fix an oil leak, blah blah. All fixed and reinstalled. I run an event last weekend. No probs. Just a couple of drips from the oil filter head. So, I do my fluids-check and nutnboltcheck and the engine is down a quart. I look EVERYWHERE for evidence of an oil leak. I figure being down a quart is a lot considering that I made three 60-second autocross runs, so there sould be a giant puddle in the trailer or a lot of oil on the frame - nope. nothing. no puddles, no drips. Doh - I forgot that I had purged the oil cooler lines! Question answered. Thanks for the thread! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon May 2 13:18:48 2011 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 15:18:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 54, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained but before I purged the air. When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small amount of air pressure in the tank?" You need to preload the air pressure, I think it's 10 PSI but it's spec'ed out at the Accusump website. mike G. Michael Harmuth too many Triumphs to have the time to consider a Miata From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon May 2 13:33:53 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 14:33:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: <576.4cf99d84.3af05b0f@aol.com> References: <576.4cf99d84.3af05b0f@aol.com> Message-ID: I use 20 psi Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gt6steve at aol.com Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 2:08 PM To: igofaster at att.net Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler Put exactly the air pressure into the accumulator that you want to maintain as a minimum. When oil pressure is higher than that the piston will be pushed to the air end "accumulating" oil. When pressure drops below the preset the piston will be pushed toward the oil end forcing the oil "accumulated" into the bearings where you want it. In a message dated 5/2/2011 11:02:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, igofaster at att.net writes: Purchased a new oil cooler for the GT6. Still waiting word on the 'autopsy' on the engine. I also pulled the 3 quart Accusump to send back for refurbishing. Maybe I should have looked at that sooner. There was more sludge in the tank than I would have guessed. So... is that a regular maintenance item we should be looking at? Another question, there is a relief valve (like a tire stem) I bled too. There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained but before I purged the air. When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small amount of air pressure in the tank? Curious... Bobby Whitehead no plans for a Miata swap in ANY Triumph.... ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 10:02:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler Hi, You know, sometimes you read a post and the "the light comes on". I pulled my TR6 engine to fix an oil leak, blah blah. All fixed and reinstalled. I run an event last weekend. No probs. Just a couple of drips from the oil filter head. So, I do my fluids-check and nutnboltcheck and the engine is down a quart. I look EVERYWHERE for evidence of an oil leak. I figure being down a quart is a lot considering that I made three 60-second autocross runs, so there sould be a giant puddle in the trailer or a lot of oil on the frame - nope. nothing. no puddles, no drips. Doh - I forgot that I had purged the oil cooler lines! Question answered. Thanks for the thread! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon May 2 13:43:00 2011 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: References: <42199.21881.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1eb8a64e49bf547e46bb614cca215273.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Message-ID: <591296.73679.qm@web46113.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> My engine guy says use 20psi. ________________________________ From: Scott Janzen To: rjl6n at cstone.net Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 11:53:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler I've always used about 25 lb, figuring I need that much to maintain oil pressure in the galleys. However, I just looked at Accusump's instructions, and they say only 7-10 psi is needed. I guess my 'sump will now have more oil in it! On May 2, 2011, at 2:10 PM, rjl6n at cstone.net wrote: Hi Bobby, That "relief stem" is not actually a relief valve. That valve is there to pressurize the system. That is what pushes the oil back into the engine; it allows you to put some air pressure behind the piston, to push on the piston which provides the force to put oil into the engine when needed. How much air pressure you put in there (partly) determines how fast the oil flows back into the engine. As I recall, the directions that came with the Accusump gave a range of suggested pressures. Hope that helps, John On Mon, May 2, 2011 1:39 pm, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Purchased a new oil cooler for the GT6. Still waiting word on the > 'autopsy' on > the engine. I also pulled the 3 quart Accusump to send back for > refurbishing. > Maybe I should have looked at that sooner. There was more sludge in the > tank > than I would have guessed. So... is that a regular maintenance item we > should be > looking at? Another question, there is a relief valve (like a tire stem) I > bled > too. There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained > but > before I purged the air. > When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small > amount of air pressure in the tank? > > Curious... > > Bobby Whitehead > > no plans for a Miata swap in ANY Triumph.... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue May 3 06:02:22 2011 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 05:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Crew Passes or Overcrew Message-ID: <555615.58668.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - anyone have a couple of extra crew passes for nex month's big event? I assume that this is a non spectator event - being mid week and all. ...might need someone to list Joan and I as overcrew. Thanks Dennis From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Tue May 3 06:11:53 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 22:11:53 +1000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 front uprights-race use Message-ID: I am researching alternatives for the front suspension uprights & wishbones on my wifes Gt6 Triumph racer. we currently have the unmodified GT6 "hollow" uprights with the "big" stub axle and conventional lower trunnion. i have heard all sorts of horror stories about them breaking at the trunnion, but never experienced any such problems . I understand firm called ESP in UK have the tooling for making these,. possibly from Adler & Alford days. can ayone help me track them down?? If anyone has any first-hand comments on the benefits/problems of the various versions I'd be keen to hear. also, anyone who might have may heim jointed uprights or wishbones for sale, please send me a email thanks Terry O'Beirne AUSTRALIA From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 3 07:41:54 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 08:41:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca confirmations Message-ID: <20110503134207.832CB187643@autox.team.net> Has anyone gotten entry confirmation for our event at Laguna Seca? Thanks, Tony Drews From herald948 at aol.com Tue May 3 08:10:30 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 10:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 front uprights-race use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDD7B2FE60956A-1750-7C5C@webmail-m022.sysops.aol.com> What about the "Trunnionless Front Suspension Kit" offered by Canley Classics in the UK: http://www.canleyclassics.com/?xhtml=xhtml/product/catkit1.html&xsl=product.x sl NFI, just aware that it's out there.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Enquiries Road & Track I am researching alternatives for the front suspension uprights & wishbones on my wifes Gt6 Triumph racer.... From bownes at seiri.com Tue May 3 08:10:52 2011 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 10:10:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca confirmations In-Reply-To: <20110503134207.832CB187643@autox.team.net> References: <20110503134207.832CB187643@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Guys, Wish I could attend, This should be a fantastic event. Word of wisdom form another event that some folks I know were supposed to attend last week. Put together a phone list of everyone's cell phone number and pick a person/place to leave messages with somewhere other than the event site. A few hundred folks I know were supposed to be meeting in Huntsville last week. Event canceled at the last moment due to Acts of God, not everyone found out in time, several flew in, unnecessary chaos ensued. Hope you all have fun! On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > Has anyone gotten entry confirmation for our event at Laguna Seca? > > Thanks, Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From deweerdm at rogers.com Tue May 3 17:26:53 2011 From: deweerdm at rogers.com (MIKE DEWEERD) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 16:26:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury Message-ID: <368913.54225.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Amici I'm thinking of retiring the "Lincoln Locker" (welded diff) in my TR4 and installing a Limited Slip Diff. Pricing between the two is similar enough to not be an issue so......Opinions Please... Which Diff do you run and why is it better or worse? also ramp angles which is best (Salisbury) 45/45 or 30/60? Note that I run the car mostly at Mosport, Mid Ohio and the Glen secondly...(If it makes a difference) Thank you Mike Deweerd TR4 #77 From igofaster at att.net Tue May 3 17:30:28 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 16:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Message-ID: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. Jeeerrrrrrreeeees in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service manager/neighbor) informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a $500 sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus ttl. 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from day one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux I had the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal leaking, causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt looks good, when I replaced the gasket. My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my oldest son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few bucks, or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money and try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... Opinions? BOBBY WHITEHEAD From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 3 18:09:37 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 20:09:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDD806B0DEE39D-FA4-37B4E@webmail-d130.sysops.aol.com> my grandson, the varsity wrestler, would want it. he thinks they are cool....so does Tony Drews. i have one in the garage, too. -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 6:30 pm Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. Jeeerrrrrrreeeees in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service manager/neighbor) informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a $500 sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus ttl. 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from day one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux I had the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal leaking, causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt looks good, when I replaced the gasket. My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my oldest son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few bucks, or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money and try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... Opinions? BOBBY WHITEHEAD _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 3 18:32:37 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 18:32:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury In-Reply-To: <368913.54225.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20110504003458.A476B187656@autox.team.net> Mike, I have the quaife in an IRS car and it grips just great and running a 3/4 rear sway bar. I've been told the quaife will still spin a wheel if you lift one, I haven't had that problem. For a live axle car I would imagine the Salsbury would be better as there is a better chance of lifting a wheel. Jim G. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MIKE DEWEERD Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury Amici I'm thinking of retiring the "Lincoln Locker" (welded diff) in my TR4 and installing a Limited Slip Diff. Pricing between the two is similar enough to not be an issue so......Opinions Please... Which Diff do you run and why is it better or worse? also ramp angles which is best (Salisbury) 45/45 or 30/60? Note that I run the car mostly at Mosport, Mid Ohio and the Glen secondly...(If it makes a difference) Thank you Mike Deweerd TR4 #77 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 3 18:44:12 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 17:44:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CDD806B0DEE39D-FA4-37B4E@webmail-d130.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <35EF927BE6E94730A6BF45BAFB5F99F9@Bud> I love my 1990...handles like a little race car..insurance is cheap...good gas mileage...repairs are cheap..on and on.. RB Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > my grandson, the varsity wrestler, would want it. > > he thinks they are cool....so does Tony Drews. > > i have one in the garage, too. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bobby Whitehead > To: FoT Triumph > Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 6:30 pm > Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > > > Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. > Jeeerrrrrrreeeees > > in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service > manager/neighbor) > > informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a > $500 > > sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus > ttl. > > 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from > day > > one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- > > Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. > > Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux > I > had > > the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal > leaking, > > causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt > looks > > good, when I replaced the gasket. > > > > My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was > quoted > as > > saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only > people > > driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my > oldest > > son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... > > I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few > bucks, > > or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money > and > > try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... > > > > Opinions? > > > > BOBBY WHITEHEAD > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tlizzard at msn.com Tue May 3 18:48:45 2011 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 20:48:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Why look at the downside? What you have is an example of the largest selling sports car of all time, and curiously, the best traditional two seat sports car ever offered by any manufacturer in the North American market, ever. It has the best chassis under $30,000, period. They are as reliable as a Corolla. They won't leak their innards all over your drive way. What's not to like? Terry Stetler From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 3 18:53:01 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 17:53:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <68FD68EFF0C348EBA09B424E154C4C8F@Vista> It's OK Bobby, people used to say that only Hairdressers buy Spitfires! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people driving these things. "I said that?"... BOBBY WHITEHEAD From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 3 19:06:13 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 18:06:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20A2A71BDB144A48AA5C2315F4ED70D1@Bud> and ..if you want it to be British..it's designed after the Lotus Elan RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" To: "FoT Triumph" ; "Bobby Whitehead" Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > Why look at the downside? > > What you have is an example of the largest selling sports car of all time, > and > curiously, the best traditional two seat sports car ever offered by any > manufacturer in the North American market, ever. > > It has the best chassis under $30,000, period. > > They are as reliable as a Corolla. > > They won't leak their innards all over your drive way. > > What's not to like? > > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From alfetta95 at optonline.net Tue May 3 19:24:26 2011 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 21:24:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5C06CDE8-ACFA-4630-B1F5-E614450EF965@optonline.net> My 1992 has 202,000 miles on it. Does use a little oil but still runs strong. Handles like a go kart. Very reliable. Might drop a 5.0 into it. Supercar numbers! But don't go by me. I'm all over the car world. Todd Redmond 1958 TR 3A 1979 Alfa Romeo Alfetta GT 1992 Mazda Miata Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2011, at 7:30 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. Jeeerrrrrrreeeees > in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service manager/neighbor) > informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a $500 > sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus ttl. > 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from day > one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- > Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. > Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux I had > the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal leaking, > causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt looks > good, when I replaced the gasket. > > My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as > saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people > driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my oldest > son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... > I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few bucks, > or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money and > try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... > > Opinions? > > BOBBY WHITEHEAD > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net From billb at bnj.com Tue May 3 19:27:00 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 18:27:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIata is the TR3 of the 90's On May 3, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. Jeeerrrrrrreeeees > in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service manager/neighbor) > informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a $500 > sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus ttl. > 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from day > one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- > Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. > Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux I had > the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal leaking, > causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt looks > good, when I replaced the gasket. > > My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as > saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people > driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my oldest > son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... > I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few bucks, > or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money and > try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... > > Opinions? > > BOBBY WHITEHEAD > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 3 19:36:04 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 18:36:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury In-Reply-To: <20110504003458.A476B187656@autox.team.net> References: <368913.54225.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20110504003458.A476B187656@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <59876A3FAE68462093946E6E39DAB820@Vista> Since the Quaife is torque biased, when one axle is totally free to spin (as in broken axle or lifted wheel) the other will not provide any drive at all. So during that period, you have no acceleration. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Gray Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:33 PM To: 'MIKE DEWEERD' Cc: Friends of triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury Mike, I have the quaife in an IRS car and it grips just great and running a 3/4 rear sway bar. I've been told the quaife will still spin a wheel if you lift one, I haven't had that problem. For a live axle car I would imagine the Salsbury would be better as there is a better chance of lifting a wheel. Jim G. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MIKE DEWEERD Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury Amici I'm thinking of retiring the "Lincoln Locker" (welded diff) in my TR4 and installing a Limited Slip Diff. Pricing between the two is similar enough to not be an issue so......Opinions Please... Which Diff do you run and why is it better or worse? also ramp angles which is best (Salisbury) 45/45 or 30/60? Note that I run the car mostly at Mosport, Mid Ohio and the Glen secondly...(If it makes a difference) Thank you Mike Deweerd TR4 #77 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue May 3 19:36:26 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 21:36:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 front uprights-race use Message-ID: <1948d.3f360b6.3af2079a@aol.com> They have been severely slated on the Brit car forums as poorly engineered. They don't seem to be available last I checked, perhaps going thru a rethink? Dave Pearson is a top bloke so it will be right in the end. In a message dated 5/3/2011 7:34:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: What about the "Trunnionless Front Suspension Kit" offered by Canley Classics in the UK: http://www.canleyclassics.com/?xhtml=xhtml/product/catkit1.html&xsl=product. x sl NFI, just aware that it's out there.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Enquiries Road & Track I am researching alternatives for the front suspension uprights & wishbones on my wifes Gt6 Triumph racer.... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue May 3 20:07:14 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 22:07:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <20A2A71BDB144A48AA5C2315F4ED70D1@Bud> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20A2A71BDB144A48AA5C2315F4ED70D1@Bud> Message-ID: <4DC0B4D2.1080703@141.com> And you can get it in British Racing Green! Which we did! :D Susan :) On 5/3/2011 9:06 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > and ..if you want it to be British..it's designed after the Lotus Elan > RB > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" > To: "FoT Triumph" ; "Bobby Whitehead" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:48 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > > >> Why look at the downside? >> >> What you have is an example of the largest selling sports car of all >> time, and >> curiously, the best traditional two seat sports car ever offered by any >> manufacturer in the North American market, ever. >> >> It has the best chassis under $30,000, period. >> >> They are as reliable as a Corolla. >> >> They won't leak their innards all over your drive way. >> >> What's not to like? >> >> >> Terry Stetler >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3612 - Release Date: 05/03/11 > > -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From mini at wi.rr.com Tue May 3 20:13:24 2011 From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 21:13:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DC0B644.3060104@wi.rr.com> We have a 99 Miata for our "winter beater". It's a great little car, does everything well, but as I tell everyone who asks about it, "It's the brown paper bag of sports cars, does things well but is totally uninspiring. The car has no personality" Sorry Bill, but the TR3 has more character then any Miata could ever hope to have. (That said, my wife won't let me sell "her car"!) Richard Gehweiler On 5/3/2011 8:27 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > MIata is the TR3 of the 90's From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 3 20:13:59 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 19:13:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20A2A71BDB144A48AA5C2315F4ED70D1@Bud> <4DC0B4D2.1080703@141.com> Message-ID: the green is the rare one..very pretty...yellow was a limited color too.....RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "RACER BUD" Cc: "Terry Stetler" ; "FoT Triumph" ; "Bobby Whitehead" Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > And you can get it in British Racing Green! Which we did! :D > > Susan :) > > > On 5/3/2011 9:06 PM, RACER BUD wrote: >> and ..if you want it to be British..it's designed after the Lotus Elan >> RB >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" >> To: "FoT Triumph" ; "Bobby Whitehead" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! >> >> >>> Why look at the downside? >>> >>> What you have is an example of the largest selling sports car of all >>> time, and >>> curiously, the best traditional two seat sports car ever offered by any >>> manufacturer in the North American market, ever. >>> >>> It has the best chassis under $30,000, period. >>> >>> They are as reliable as a Corolla. >>> >>> They won't leak their innards all over your drive way. >>> >>> What's not to like? >>> >>> >>> Terry Stetler >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3612 - Release Date: 05/03/11 >> >> > > -- > I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue May 3 20:54:46 2011 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 20:54:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 cam timing question- Message-ID: Evenin' all - Currently in rebuild mode & have lost my timing notes - I've the humble #TH6 Kent unit with a 108 dg. lobe center, 284/284 duration @ .020" (244 duration @ 105 deg. @ .050") Street spec timing is 108 deg. (strght. up) Am 'assuming' that one wants a 2-4 deg. retarded, but not sure & open to suggestions. Thanks! Kev Lynch From mark at bradakis.com Tue May 3 21:09:09 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 21:09:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DC0C355.7000406@bradakis.com> There's a pawn shop next to a place to which we often deliver. It has a red '92 that looks pretty good for 3 grand. I never think about it when I drive by a few times a day. There is also a shop that has had this TR7 coupe out front forever. I hope they get rid of it before it ends up in my drive next to the blue one. mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 3 21:07:13 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 20:07:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DC0B644.3060104@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: The Miata has HUGE personality... RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Gehweiler" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > We have a 99 Miata for our "winter beater". It's a great little car, does > everything well, but as I tell everyone who asks about it, "It's the brown > paper bag of sports cars, does things well but is totally uninspiring. The > car has no personality" Sorry Bill, but the TR3 has more character then > any Miata could ever hope to have. (That said, my wife won't let me sell > "her car"!) > > Richard Gehweiler > > On 5/3/2011 8:27 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: >> MIata is the TR3 of the 90's > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 3 22:04:24 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 21:04:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DC0C355.7000406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1B746D0D6C8D471A82AA6814411E4A4E@Bud> Give it a drive...When I first drove mine, I thought someone had put competition suspension on it because it handles so well..They are absolutely amazing!.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > There's a pawn shop next to a place to which we often deliver. > It has a red '92 that looks pretty good for 3 grand. I never think > about it when I drive by a few times a day. > > There is also a shop that has had this TR7 coupe out front forever. > I hope they get rid of it before it ends up in my drive next to the > blue one. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 3 22:13:44 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 21:13:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DC0C355.7000406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <0819BF3882784BF89CA96B7E3DE80AB0@Bud> Another neat thing about owning a Miata is..at least with the early (pop up headlight) cars..we wave to each other, like we did with sports cars in the old days..these cars are 21 years old now.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > There's a pawn shop next to a place to which we often deliver. > It has a red '92 that looks pretty good for 3 grand. I never think > about it when I drive by a few times a day. > > There is also a shop that has had this TR7 coupe out front forever. > I hope they get rid of it before it ends up in my drive next to the > blue one. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed May 4 00:19:34 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 23:19:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DC0EFF6.3000507@comcast.net> We're on our third Miata. The latest is a 2005 Mazdaspeed with factory turbo and all the good stuff except for cruise control. It's an incredible car on twisty two lane roads - horrid on the interstates. Gonna put a Triumph sticker on it so we can take it on the local Triumph club tour since the Spit is not street legal. On 5/3/2011 4:30 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. Jeeerrrrrrreeeees > in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service manager/neighbor) > informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a $500 > sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus ttl. > 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from day > one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- > Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. > Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux I had > the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal leaking, > causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt looks > good, when I replaced the gasket. > > My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as > saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people > driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my oldest > son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... > I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few bucks, > or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money and > try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... > > Opinions? > > BOBBY WHITEHEAD > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 4 00:59:47 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 08:59:47 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury In-Reply-To: <368913.54225.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <368913.54225.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001cc0a28$ddf9d890$99ed89b0$@com> Kas recommended the welded diff to me and I run it since 2005 and my car very fast. If I would go for a LSD then Sailsbury, no Quiffe. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von MIKE DEWEERD Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2011 01:27 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury Amici I'm thinking of retiring the "Lincoln Locker" (welded diff) in my TR4 and installing a Limited Slip Diff. Pricing between the two is similar enough to not be an issue so......Opinions Please... Which Diff do you run and why is it better or worse? also ramp angles which is best (Salisbury) 45/45 or 30/60? Note that I run the car mostly at Mosport, Mid Ohio and the Glen secondly...(If it makes a difference) Thank you Mike Deweerd TR4 #77 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 4 01:05:10 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 09:05:10 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2011 01:30 An: FoT Triumph Betreff: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. Jeeerrrrrrreeeees in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service manager/neighbor) informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a $500 sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus ttl. 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from day one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux I had the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal leaking, causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt looks good, when I replaced the gasket. My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my oldest son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few bucks, or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money and try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... Opinions? BOBBY WHITEHEAD _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Wed May 4 06:12:20 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 22:12:20 +1000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 front uprights-race use Message-ID: thanks for the replies guys I've tried canley classics several times and never had a reply, so i guess they are either too arrogant or too lazy to get my business who is dave pearson and what is his role in these uprights?? I'm surprised some of the GT6/Spitfire racers have not had something to say Terry From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed May 4 08:10:10 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 14:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? Message-ID: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my pushrods are too long. I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock block. .008 was taken off the block and I canbt remember how much off the head to give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b. Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my adjusters are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread projecting from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash but when I got to # 3 that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution in the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnbt the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the pushrods. Thanks again for input, B Jim G. From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed May 4 08:40:42 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 07:40:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? References: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <94973C544F96497C998E4C7F789EEC48@Charly> If you shim the pedestals, you change the angle of the contact on the valve from the rocker. If you have roller rockers, it may not matter, but with the stock rockers , you will get wear. I've seen it on other TR6's. You can order shorter pushrods and they usually can be delivered pretty quickly. Your cam shop should be able to help you with this. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:10 AM Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? > FoT > > I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my > pushrods > are too long. > > I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock > block. > > .008 was taken off the block and I canbt remember how much off the head > to > give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b . > > Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my > adjusters > are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread > projecting > from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash > but > when I got to # 3 > > that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. > > Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution > in > the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnbt > the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the > pushrods. > > Thanks again for input, > > > > B > > Jim G. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From ac at camoletti.ch Wed May 4 08:42:56 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 16:42:56 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? NO Message-ID: <001301cc0a69$8f2a4e20$ad7eea60$@camoletti.ch> Hi Jim ! If you raise the pedestals then you alter the geometry and your rockers will not work properly, in particular in you have a higher lift cam than stock. When valve is at half lift, then the rocker tip bottom should be horizontal with the axle centreline, so that your rockers will be working equally both sides up and down when working the valves, and not only down as it will be the case if you shim the pedestals: If you shim the pedestals then the rockers will sit higher and the tip will be sitting lower than before vs axle centre, and with this you shorten the rocker ratio (the lower the tip, the closest it is to the axle and the pedestal) and in addition you put more side pressure on the valve stem and you get additional wear. It is not much, but you put additional strain here. So the ticket is to get shorter pushrods and maybe also skim the pedestal bases if you have a higher lift, to restore the geometry, to have it as neutral as possible and not biased towards the bottom. David Vizard explains this very well in "Theory and practice of cylinder head modification" If you make a simple schematic it should become clearer than my words! Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de toodamnfunky at comcast.net Envoyi : mercredi 4 mai 2011 16:10 @ : fot Objet : [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? FoT I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my pushrods are too long. I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock block. .008 was taken off the block and I canbt remember how much off the head to give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b . Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my adjusters are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread projecting from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash but when I got to # 3 that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution in the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnbt the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the pushrods. Thanks again for input, B Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed May 4 09:03:17 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 08:03:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? References: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <109C4B1DCC404B89B55012E793D06ACB@Charly> Try this: http://www.pushrods.net/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:10 AM Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? > FoT > > I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my > pushrods > are too long. > > I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock > block. > > .008 was taken off the block and I canbt remember how much off the head > to > give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b . > > Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my > adjusters > are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread > projecting > from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash > but > when I got to # 3 > > that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. > > Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution > in > the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnbt > the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the > pushrods. > > Thanks again for input, > > > > B > > Jim G. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 4 09:03:51 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 17:03:51 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? In-Reply-To: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <005601cc0a6c$7d5b8f80$7812ae80$@com> I run shims under the pedestals. 1.5 mm thick. They work fine with stock rockers. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2011 16:10 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? FoT I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my pushrods are too long. I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock block. .008 was taken off the block and I canbt remember how much off the head to give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b . Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my adjusters are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread projecting from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash but when I got to # 3 that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution in the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnbt the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the pushrods. Thanks again for input, B Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From triosan at gmail.com Wed May 4 09:04:10 2011 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 10:04:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? In-Reply-To: <94973C544F96497C998E4C7F789EEC48@Charly> References: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <94973C544F96497C998E4C7F789EEC48@Charly> Message-ID: Call Ted at TSI -- he sells tubular rods at any length -- quickly. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: > If you shim the pedestals, you change the angle of the contact on the valve > from the rocker. If you have roller rockers, it may not matter, but with > the stock rockers , you will get wear. I've seen it on other TR6's. > You can order shorter pushrods and they usually can be delivered pretty > quickly. Your cam shop should be able to help you with this. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: "fot" > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:10 AM > Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? > > > FoT >> >> I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my >> pushrods >> are too long. >> >> I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock >> block. >> >> .008 was taken off the block and I canb t remember how much off the head >> to >> give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b . >> >> Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my >> adjusters >> are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread >> projecting >> from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash >> but >> when I got to # 3 >> >> that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. >> >> Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution >> in >> the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnb t >> the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the >> pushrods. >> >> Thanks again for input, >> >> >> >> B >> >> Jim G. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From riverside at southslope.net Wed May 4 09:10:04 2011 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 10:10:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> Message-ID: <7CCCF571CE25484787AD8B083FA6F882@rileyPC> Only drove two of them. One (stock) belonged to a daughter's boyfriend. He foolishly allowed me to take him for a ride. A little Nurburgring is nearby. Scared him silly. The other one had a paxton blown 302 in it. I drove it on the interstate only. Scared me silly. Tried to imagine track days at R/A in the crazy thing. Talk about a man's car! art de armond -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 2:05 AM To: 'FoT Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2011 01:30 An: FoT Triumph Betreff: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. Jeeerrrrrrreeeees in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service manager/neighbor) informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a $500 sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus ttl. 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from day one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux I had the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal leaking, causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt looks good, when I replaced the gasket. My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my oldest son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few bucks, or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money and try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... Opinions? BOBBY WHITEHEAD _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed May 4 09:42:52 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 08:42:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? In-Reply-To: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <026101cc0a71$ee21da80$0301a8c0@randall> If you or a buddy have access to a lathe, you can chuck up the pushrod and use a parting tool to remove just the end of the tube (next to the cup where the adjuster rides). Then tap the cup farther into the tube. ISTR Kas described this in one of the "Comp Prep" books. But you could probably also get shorter pushrods in just a few days, if you call around a bit. When I got mine from Ken G., he had them on the shelf. -- Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 4 10:13:24 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 18:13:24 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? In-Reply-To: <026101cc0a71$ee21da80$0301a8c0@randall> References: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <026101cc0a71$ee21da80$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <007001cc0a76$34446ce0$9ccd46a0$@com> Right, Kas has described that tweak but this was with racing pushrods. The stock pushrods have welded ends...no chance to drive them in after the lathe job! Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Randall Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2011 17:43 An: toodamnfunky at comcast.net; 'fot' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? If you or a buddy have access to a lathe, you can chuck up the pushrod and use a parting tool to remove just the end of the tube (next to the cup where the adjuster rides). Then tap the cup farther into the tube. ISTR Kas described this in one of the "Comp Prep" books. But you could probably also get shorter pushrods in just a few days, if you call around a bit. When I got mine from Ken G., he had them on the shelf. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From billb at bnj.com Wed May 4 10:26:37 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 09:26:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? In-Reply-To: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <191B69CE-550A-4A1D-86EA-822A0C446227@bnj.com> Rocker arm geometry is critical. You want the rocker to have the same angle downwards at full lift that it has upwards on the cam base circle (where the valve clearance is set). You get that right first and then get the right length pushrods. If you have good quality pushrods you can get them shortened by a machine shop, or just order new ones from Smith. On May 4, 2011, at 7:10 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > FoT > > I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my pushrods > are too long. > > I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock block. > > .008 was taken off the block and I canbt remember how much off the head to > give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b. > > Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my adjusters > are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread projecting > from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash but > when I got to # 3 > > that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. > > Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution in > the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnbt > the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the > pushrods. > > Thanks again for input, > > > > B > > Jim G. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed May 4 14:02:45 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 20:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? In-Reply-To: <20110504150228.P9P5Z.372123.imail@fed1rmwml4101> Message-ID: <1046612882.722871.1304539365079.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Thanks everybody for the input. I have no doubt the way to go will be the correct pushrod length but for thisB upcoming race it will be 1/16" shims. The measurements taken so far show 1/16" should be just about right and I have the material in stock. Thanks again for the feedback, Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2011 1:02:28 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? I have used shims under the pedestals several times. Not more than about 1/16" though. If you do remember to drill a hole for the lube oil in the back rocker post. B That will probably get you running, but better, shorter pushrods are the number. B If you have racing pushrods already then just stick in a lather and using a parting tool take off about B the same amount of material as you took off the head and then tape the ball back into place. B You can do either end. B Cannot do with stock pushrods as they are welded at the tips. But, all the talk about the geometry is correct, but you will most likely get the rocker tip back in the center at half lift with a shim. B Take a look, can't hurt to look. You can use a bit of white grease on the valve tip will tell you if you are correct as the pattern should be in the middle of the valve. It might be easier to set the rocker at the half lift of the cam and that angle should be 90 degrees. If all this is too much, then order some shorter pushrods :-) ---- toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: FoT I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my pushrods are too long. I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock block. .008 was taken off the block and I canbt remember how much off the head to give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b. Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my adjusters are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread projecting from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash but when I got to # 3 that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution in the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnbt the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the pushrods. Thanks again for input, B Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed May 4 19:36:52 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 21:36:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 front uprights-race use Message-ID: <2b851.541e2ca4.3af35934@aol.com> Terry, over the years I've talked to lots of TVR guys who are suffering much worse than we with their big slicks and higher Horsepowers. No one has a solution so far. I drilled and tapped the bottom (Top?) of my oil drillings and ran a long socket head cap screw up there putting the whole stub into compression. Don't know if it will help but at least I have a chance of bending before fracture. No failures in many years now so it clearly didn't hurt. I had a rod end conversion here from some Elva racers and it frightened me as they had simply macined off all of the threads to fit the rod end. I'm told the early FF's had an undrilled stub but I doubt we'll see any of those anymore. We'll keep our eyes open and hope for the best....Steve In a message dated 5/4/2011 5:55:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au writes: thanks for the replies guys I've tried canley classics several times and never had a reply, so i guess they are either too arrogant or too lazy to get my business who is dave pearson and what is his role in these uprights?? I'm surprised some of the GT6/Spitfire racers have not had something to say Terry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Thu May 5 06:58:16 2011 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 05:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> Message-ID: <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 MPH! For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and Michelin DOT racing tires. And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT member! Mike Munson >From the Corvette factory Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 5 07:02:20 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 15:02:20 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002c01cc0b24$acf27200$06d75600$@com> Corvette is a great car. But if you would let the choice to me with American cars I would have a go in a Ford GT (40). Cheers Chris Von: Mike Munson [mailto:fasttrs at yahoo.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2011 14:58 An: MadMarx; FoT Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 MPH! For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and Michelin DOT racing tires. And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT member! Mike Munson >From the Corvette factory Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris From ac at camoletti.ch Thu May 5 08:32:31 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 16:32:31 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002e01cc0b31$44ced350$ce6c79f0$@camoletti.ch> Got a ride in the new Ferrari 458 Italia, this is also real power! Frightening that anyone (with the big wallet) is allowed to drive such missile! -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Mike Munson Envoyi : jeudi 5 mai 2011 14:58 @ : MadMarx; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 MPH! For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and Michelin DOT racing tires. And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT member! Mike Munson >From the Corvette factory Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu May 5 09:07:27 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 11:07:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <002e01cc0b31$44ced350$ce6c79f0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: Combien varai....mais on doit admettre les voitures italiennes sont belles aussi bien...J'aime ma voiture de route d'araignee d'Alfa Romeo...... John H. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alexandre Camoletti Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:33 AM To: 'Mike Munson'; 'MadMarx'; 'FoT Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Got a ride in the new Ferrari 458 Italia, this is also real power! Frightening that anyone (with the big wallet) is allowed to drive such missile! -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Mike Munson Envoyi : jeudi 5 mai 2011 14:58 @ : MadMarx; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 MPH! For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and Michelin DOT racing tires. And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT member! Mike Munson >From the Corvette factory Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From billb at bnj.com Thu May 5 09:54:02 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 08:54:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <002e01cc0b31$44ced350$ce6c79f0$@camoletti.ch> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <002e01cc0b31$44ced350$ce6c79f0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <05FE0D63-C6D4-4461-BF6C-2E5AA39C2C80@bnj.com> Most of the really powerful 500 and up HP cars these days have enough computer oversight to make them controllable by even the untalented and untutored driver--as long as you don't put them in race mode. ABS, traction control and computer controlled differentials make them no worse than a 200 HP sporty car. Generally you can't really turn all the stuff off without some special tricks--turning off traction control just turns it down. Until recently Diane had a Bentley Continental Flying Spur--535 horsepower, capable of 195 MPH, and your Mom could drive it safely. Of course if she wasn't paying attention she might find herself doing 140 on the freeway--feels just the same as 55 except the other cars go by faster. Calling any of these things a "real man's car" is a little silly. My 360 Spider was great fun to drive, felt light and responsive. But any fool could drive it--I treated it like a Toyota, drove it all the time. For a real man's car I think you'd need something like a 62 Corvette, though come to think of it, that was Diane's daily driver when we first got together. And yes, I sold the Ferrari too. We moved to a small town, and they just don't fit the lifestyle. Oh, and it's dilemma. On May 5, 2011, at 7:32 AM, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: > Got a ride in the new Ferrari 458 Italia, this is also real power! > Frightening that anyone (with the big wallet) is allowed to drive such > missile! > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la > part de Mike Munson > Envoyi : jeudi 5 mai 2011 14:58 > @ : MadMarx; FoT Triumph > Objet : Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > > A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 > MPH! > For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and > Michelin DOT racing tires. > And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT > member! > > Mike Munson >> From the Corvette > factory > Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: > > Porsche 911. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 5 09:59:16 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 17:59:16 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <05FE0D63-C6D4-4461-BF6C-2E5AA39C2C80@bnj.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <002e01cc0b31$44ced350$ce6c79f0$@camoletti.ch> <05FE0D63-C6D4-4461-BF6C-2E5AA39C2C80@bnj.com> Message-ID: <001b01cc0b3d$662bf850$3283e8f0$@com> What has a town to do with a car? No tarmac roads? Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2011 17:54 An: Alexandre Camoletti Cc: 'Mike Munson'; 'MadMarx'; 'FoT Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Most of the really powerful 500 and up HP cars these days have enough computer oversight to make them controllable by even the untalented and untutored driver--as long as you don't put them in race mode. ABS, traction control and computer controlled differentials make them no worse than a 200 HP sporty car. Generally you can't really turn all the stuff off without some special tricks--turning off traction control just turns it down. Until recently Diane had a Bentley Continental Flying Spur--535 horsepower, capable of 195 MPH, and your Mom could drive it safely. Of course if she wasn't paying attention she might find herself doing 140 on the freeway--feels just the same as 55 except the other cars go by faster. Calling any of these things a "real man's car" is a little silly. My 360 Spider was great fun to drive, felt light and responsive. But any fool could drive it--I treated it like a Toyota, drove it all the time. For a real man's car I think you'd need something like a 62 Corvette, though come to think of it, that was Diane's daily driver when we first got together. And yes, I sold the Ferrari too. We moved to a small town, and they just don't fit the lifestyle. Oh, and it's dilemma. On May 5, 2011, at 7:32 AM, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: Got a ride in the new Ferrari 458 Italia, this is also real power! Frightening that anyone (with the big wallet) is allowed to drive such missile! -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Mike Munson Envoyi : jeudi 5 mai 2011 14:58 @ : MadMarx; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 MPH! For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and Michelin DOT racing tires. And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT member! Mike Munson >From the Corvette factory Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billb at bnj.com Thu May 5 10:36:00 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 09:36:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <001b01cc0b3d$662bf850$3283e8f0$@com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <002e01cc0b31$44ced350$ce6c79f0$@camoletti.ch> <05FE0D63-C6D4-4461-BF6C-2E5AA39C2C80@bnj.com> <001b01cc0b3d$662bf850$3283e8f0$@com> Message-ID: <9F9DEF47-D748-4587-AED5-7530B0E581DF@bnj.com> It's not the town, it's me. I've retired, and I'm concentrating on active sports--windsurfing, stand up paddling, kitesurfing, surfing, mountain biking. None of which fits a Ferrari well. My F350 truck works a lot better for that. The Ferrari was just sitting, not a good thing to do to a great car. For a fun car I'm building a TR3 from collected bits. On May 5, 2011, at 8:59 AM, MadMarx wrote: > What has a town to do with a car? > No tarmac roads? > > Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2011 17:54 > An: Alexandre Camoletti > Cc: 'Mike Munson'; 'MadMarx'; 'FoT Triumph' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > > Most of the really powerful 500 and up HP cars these days have enough computer oversight to make them controllable by even the untalented and untutored driver--as long as you don't put them in race mode. ABS, traction control and computer controlled differentials make them no worse than a 200 HP sporty car. Generally you can't really turn all the stuff off without some special tricks--turning off traction control just turns it down. > > Until recently Diane had a Bentley Continental Flying Spur--535 horsepower, capable of 195 MPH, and your Mom could drive it safely. Of course if she wasn't paying attention she might find herself doing 140 on the freeway--feels just the same as 55 except the other cars go by faster. > > Calling any of these things a "real man's car" is a little silly. My 360 Spider was great fun to drive, felt light and responsive. But any fool could drive it--I treated it like a Toyota, drove it all the time. For a real man's car I think you'd need something like a 62 Corvette, though come to think of it, that was Diane's daily driver when we first got together. > > And yes, I sold the Ferrari too. We moved to a small town, and they just don't fit the lifestyle. > > Oh, and it's dilemma. > > > On May 5, 2011, at 7:32 AM, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: > > > Got a ride in the new Ferrari 458 Italia, this is also real power! > Frightening that anyone (with the big wallet) is allowed to drive such > missile! > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la > part de Mike Munson > Envoyi : jeudi 5 mai 2011 14:58 > @ : MadMarx; FoT Triumph > Objet : Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > > A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 > MPH! > For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and > Michelin DOT racing tires. > And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT > member! > > Mike Munson > > From the Corvette > factory > Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: > > Porsche 911. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > > > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu May 5 10:42:52 2011 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 12:42:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Message-ID: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> What has a town to do with a car? No tarmac roads? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- Probably nothing really....but it draws a lot of attention, with even just an Ambro, TR3A, and a TR4 race car, in small town Iowa. "Oh ya, you're the guy with the funny little cars". To keep up with the neighbors, a nice pick up truck will do. > > > > From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 5 10:45:40 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 18:45:40 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <9F9DEF47-D748-4587-AED5-7530B0E581DF@bnj.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <002e01cc0b31$44ced350$ce6c79f0$@camoletti.ch> <05FE0D63-C6D4-4461-BF6C-2E5AA39C2C80@bnj.com> <001b01cc0b3d$662bf850$3283e8f0$@com> <9F9DEF47-D748-4587-AED5-7530B0E581DF@bnj.com> Message-ID: <003c01cc0b43$e12d0480$a3870d80$@com> You should get a Lamborghini LM002 car  that would fit your sports well J Cheers Chris Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2011 18:36 An: MadMarx Cc: 'Alexandre Camoletti'; 'Mike Munson'; 'FoT Triumph' Betreff: Re: AW: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! It's not the town, it's me. I've retired, and I'm concentrating on active sports--windsurfing, stand up paddling, kitesurfing, surfing, mountain biking. None of which fits a Ferrari well. My F350 truck works a lot better for that. The Ferrari was just sitting, not a good thing to do to a great car. For a fun car I'm building a TR3 from collected bits. On May 5, 2011, at 8:59 AM, MadMarx wrote: What has a town to do with a car? No tarmac roads? Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2011 17:54 An: Alexandre Camoletti Cc: 'Mike Munson'; 'MadMarx'; 'FoT Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Most of the really powerful 500 and up HP cars these days have enough computer oversight to make them controllable by even the untalented and untutored driver--as long as you don't put them in race mode. ABS, traction control and computer controlled differentials make them no worse than a 200 HP sporty car. Generally you can't really turn all the stuff off without some special tricks--turning off traction control just turns it down. Until recently Diane had a Bentley Continental Flying Spur--535 horsepower, capable of 195 MPH, and your Mom could drive it safely. Of course if she wasn't paying attention she might find herself doing 140 on the freeway--feels just the same as 55 except the other cars go by faster. Calling any of these things a "real man's car" is a little silly. My 360 Spider was great fun to drive, felt light and responsive. But any fool could drive it--I treated it like a Toyota, drove it all the time. For a real man's car I think you'd need something like a 62 Corvette, though come to think of it, that was Diane's daily driver when we first got together. And yes, I sold the Ferrari too. We moved to a small town, and they just don't fit the lifestyle. Oh, and it's dilemma. On May 5, 2011, at 7:32 AM, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: Got a ride in the new Ferrari 458 Italia, this is also real power! Frightening that anyone (with the big wallet) is allowed to drive such missile! -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Mike Munson Envoyi : jeudi 5 mai 2011 14:58 @ : MadMarx; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 MPH! For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and Michelin DOT racing tires. And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT member! Mike Munson >From the Corvette factory Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu May 5 10:48:55 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 12:48:55 EDT Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Related... Message-ID: <3c8a1.6f2f8aac.3af42ef7@aol.com> Amici... Sorry, but this is Triumph related (sort of). At this time of year my heart and head are in Louisville for the KENTUCKY OAKS on Friday and the KENTUCKY DERBY on Saturday. Not a High Roller, nor even a frequent Horse Player, but handicapping the big horse races has been a hobby of mine for over thirty-five years. In the Third Race on Derby Day's undercard there is a dark brown colt named GOLDEN TRIUMPH with Tony Garcia in the irons. I have not handicapped that race yet, but Churchill's Morning Line Handicapper has him figured to come in 2nd. Bill (Damdinger) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 5 10:54:08 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 18:54:08 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> References: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> Message-ID: <004101cc0b45$0e36e7b0$2aa4b710$@com> Hmmm.....have you ever thought about the little boys in your neighborhood? When I was a little boy, the neighbor 8 houses far had a Maserati Quadroporte. I loved the noise when I laid in bed in the morning and woke up from the dark menace noise the car made when the owner drove to work. Make little boys happy! Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2011 18:43 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! What has a town to do with a car? No tarmac roads? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- Probably nothing really....but it draws a lot of attention, with even just an Ambro, TR3A, and a TR4 race car, in small town Iowa. "Oh ya, you're the guy with the funny little cars". To keep up with the neighbors, a nice pick up truck will do. > > > > From jhouathome at aol.com Thu May 5 11:50:53 2011 From: jhouathome at aol.com (jhouathome at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 13:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Related... In-Reply-To: <3c8a1.6f2f8aac.3af42ef7@aol.com> References: <3c8a1.6f2f8aac.3af42ef7@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDD9641D08E2CC-17C0-17881@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> Bill, Does he leak in the trailer? John -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: fot Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 12:11 pm Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Related... Amici... Sorry, but this is Triumph related (sort of). At this time of year my eart and head are in Louisville for the KENTUCKY OAKS on Friday and the ENTUCKY DERBY on Saturday. Not a High Roller, nor even a frequent Horse layer, ut handicapping the big horse races has been a hobby of mine for over hirty-five years. In the Third Race on Derby Day's undercard there is a dark brown colt named OLDEN TRIUMPH with Tony Garcia in the irons. I have not handicapped that ace yet, but Churchill's Morning Line Handicapper has him figured to come n 2nd. Bill (Damdinger) ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu May 5 12:16:32 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 11:16:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Related... In-Reply-To: <8CDD9641D08E2CC-17C0-17881@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> References: <3c8a1.6f2f8aac.3af42ef7@aol.com> <8CDD9641D08E2CC-17C0-17881@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <03BC0D3F7A6F4BABAF023F8631D4A990@Vista> I recall an old saying about having to Piss like a race horse! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jhouathome at aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:51 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH Related... Bill, Does he leak in the trailer? John -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: fot Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 12:11 pm Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Related... Amici... Sorry, but this is Triumph related (sort of). At this time of year my eart and head are in Louisville for the KENTUCKY OAKS on Friday and the ENTUCKY DERBY on Saturday. Not a High Roller, nor even a frequent Horse layer, ut handicapping the big horse races has been a hobby of mine for over hirty-five years. In the Third Race on Derby Day's undercard there is a dark brown colt named OLDEN TRIUMPH with Tony Garcia in the irons. I have not handicapped that ace yet, but Churchill's Morning Line Handicapper has him figured to come n 2nd. Bill (Damdinger) ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 5 12:17:27 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 20:17:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Le Mans In-Reply-To: <3c8a1.6f2f8aac.3af42ef7@aol.com> References: <3c8a1.6f2f8aac.3af42ef7@aol.com> Message-ID: <000301cc0b50$b233a500$169aef00$@com> It is not a Triumph, but the subtitles are really worth to see. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNJi7K0x3UI&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL Cheers Chris From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Thu May 5 13:22:28 2011 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 15:22:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> References: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> Message-ID: > Probably nothing really....but it draws a lot of attention, with even just > an Ambro, TR3A, and a TR4 race car, in small town Iowa. > > "Oh ya, you're the guy with the funny little cars". > > To keep up with the neighbors, a nice pick up truck will do. I'm "the one with all them dopey little cars". Or did he say," The dopey one with all them little cars"? John H. From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 5 13:31:55 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 15:31:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: References: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> Message-ID: <8CDD9723A3E8100-2D6C-26E50@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> good to hear a little friendly banter among the FOT. i have been missing this feature. some folks would prefer to calculate the HP required to propel a brick shaped object weighing 2000# at 130mph. that's ok, too. we are discussing adding a feature to the list to allow those folks to do that. more on that later. joe a. -----Original Message----- From: John Herrera To: Joe Alexander ; tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 2:22 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > Probably nothing really....but it draws a lot of attention, with even just > an Ambro, TR3A, and a TR4 race car, in small town Iowa. > > "Oh ya, you're the guy with the funny little cars". > > To keep up with the neighbors, a nice pick up truck will do. I'm "the one with all them dopey little cars". Or did he say," The dopey one with all them little cars"? John H. = From herald948 at aol.com Thu May 5 14:02:15 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 16:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <8CDD9723A3E8100-2D6C-26E50@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> References: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> <8CDD9723A3E8100-2D6C-26E50@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDD976753ED6DD-738-490D@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: n197tr4 some folks would prefer to calculate the HP required to propel a brick shaped object weighing 2000# at 130mph. ==AM== Like, say, a Triumph Mayflower? ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu May 5 15:06:03 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 17:06:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Message-ID: <5601e.5c906355.3af46b3b@aol.com> If you're adding a feature how 'bout a "drunk" button so we know how to weigh the responses ;-)) In a message dated 5/5/2011 12:54:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: good to hear a little friendly banter among the FOT. i have been missing this feature. some folks would prefer to calculate the HP required to propel a brick shaped object weighing 2000# at 130mph. that's ok, too. we are discussing adding a feature to the list to allow those folks to do that. more on that later. joe a. -----Original Message----- From: John Herrera To: Joe Alexander ; tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 2:22 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > Probably nothing really....but it draws a lot of attention, with even just > an Ambro, TR3A, and a TR4 race car, in small town Iowa. > > "Oh ya, you're the guy with the funny little cars". > > To keep up with the neighbors, a nice pick up truck will do. I'm "the one with all them dopey little cars". Or did he say," The dopey one with all them little cars"? John H. = _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu May 5 15:41:26 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 17:41:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <8CDD976753ED6DD-738-490D@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> References: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> <8CDD9723A3E8100-2D6C-26E50@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> <8CDD976753ED6DD-738-490D@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000601cc0b6d$2faa4310$8efec930$@rogers.com> A fast Mayflower...how about one with a 460 ford engine. Saw this at a show about 10 years ago. http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/460Mayflower.jpg http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/460Mayflower2.jpg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Mace Sent: May 5, 2011 4:02 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! -----Original Message----- From: n197tr4 some folks would prefer to calculate the HP required to propel a brick shaped object weighing 2000# at 130mph. ==AM== Like, say, a Triumph Mayflower? ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From igofaster at att.net Fri May 6 07:31:37 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 06:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED Message-ID: <185765.53827.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> well nobody said I should dump the car.. I kind of like funny men in funny cars and that's what I'm sticking with... one more in the stable... Bobby Whitehead From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri May 6 10:02:48 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 18:02:48 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <185765.53827.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <185765.53827.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701cc0c07$0e764c80$2b62e580$@com> I didn't said it is a bad car, but so powerless. No punch on the throttle. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead Gesendet: Freitag, 6. Mai 2011 15:32 An: FoT Triumph Betreff: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED well nobody said I should dump the car.. I kind of like funny men in funny cars and that's what I'm sticking with... one more in the stable... Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri May 6 10:11:50 2011 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 12:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Tube ShoX for IRS TRs Message-ID: Hi, Is anyone out there running tube shock conversions on IRS TRs (4A IRS, TR250, TR5 or TR6)? I'm toying with trying that setup for my autocrosser, but I run 9.5" hoosier sliX (read over 10" wide), so I'm concerned about tire clearance. FWIW, I've seen the Gp 44 / Newman car and I know how that was done (with the pocket in the inner fender.) Just looking for options and / or stirring up a discussion... regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri May 6 10:38:09 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 16:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Tube ShoX for IRS TRs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1221920746.804526.1304699889892.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Robert, I have the shock conversion. I'll have the wheels on it sometime tomorrow. I can take a measurement and tell you how much clearance my 205's have. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 6, 2011 10:11:50 AM Subject: [Fot] Tube ShoX for IRS TRs Hi, Is anyone out there running tube shock conversions on IRS TRs (4A IRS, TR250, TR5 or TR6)? I'm toying with trying that setup for my autocrosser, but I run 9.5" hoosier sliX (read over 10" wide), so I'm concerned about tire clearance. FWIW, I've seen the Gp 44 / Newman car and I know how that was done (with the pocket in the inner fender.) Just looking for options and / or stirring up a discussion... regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Fri May 6 10:38:59 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 09:38:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED References: <185765.53827.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <002701cc0c07$0e764c80$2b62e580$@com> Message-ID: <291AE20962D24E5683A2F5C1B512C80B@Bud> Maybe we should have a MIATA CANNONBALL RUN(:>) RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" ; "'FoT Triumph'" Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED >I didn't said it is a bad car, but so powerless. > No punch on the throttle. > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead > Gesendet: Freitag, 6. Mai 2011 15:32 > An: FoT Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED > > well nobody said I should dump the car.. I kind of like funny men in funny > cars > and that's what I'm sticking with... > > one more in the stable... > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri May 6 10:43:52 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 18:43:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <291AE20962D24E5683A2F5C1B512C80B@Bud> References: <185765.53827.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <002701cc0c07$0e764c80$2b62e580$@com> <291AE20962D24E5683A2F5C1B512C80B@Bud> Message-ID: <004001cc0c0c$ce1c8c20$6a55a460$@com> Cannonball is the wrong word - marbles would fit better - ha ha ha! -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Gesendet: Freitag, 6. Mai 2011 18:39 An: MadMarx; 'Bobby Whitehead'; 'FoT Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED Maybe we should have a MIATA CANNONBALL RUN(:>) RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" ; "'FoT Triumph'" Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED >I didn't said it is a bad car, but so powerless. > No punch on the throttle. > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead > Gesendet: Freitag, 6. Mai 2011 15:32 > An: FoT Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED > > well nobody said I should dump the car.. I kind of like funny men in funny > cars > and that's what I'm sticking with... > > one more in the stable... > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From billb at bnj.com Fri May 6 12:25:47 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:25:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <291AE20962D24E5683A2F5C1B512C80B@Bud> References: <185765.53827.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <002701cc0c07$0e764c80$2b62e580$@com> <291AE20962D24E5683A2F5C1B512C80B@Bud> Message-ID: Clearly Chris has never driven one of the Monster Miatas. It's just like TR3's, which were less than 100 HP from the dealer. Miata Motors lend themselves to all kinds of fiddling--far more than any tractor motor. To the degree that Miata racing organizations have very strict rules about what you can do and lots of ways of checking for funny business--far too easy to pull ponies out of the cars. And then if it's not enough, you go Monster and drop in a V8. Oddly enough the V8 Miatas can handle very well, adds about 250 pounds to the car, and that can actually be shifted and fiddled to the degree that the weight distribution is 50/50 and total weight is less than stock. Big brake kit, some suspension upgrades, and we're talking truly amazing car. I've driven a very well prepared one, and it was in the realm of Ferrari performance. On May 6, 2011, at 9:38 AM, RACER BUD wrote: > Maybe we should have a MIATA CANNONBALL RUN(:>) > RB > ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" > To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" ; "'FoT Triumph'" > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 9:02 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED > > >> I didn't said it is a bad car, but so powerless. >> No punch on the throttle. >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im >> Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead >> Gesendet: Freitag, 6. Mai 2011 15:32 >> An: FoT Triumph >> Betreff: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED >> >> well nobody said I should dump the car.. I kind of like funny men in funny >> cars >> and that's what I'm sticking with... >> >> one more in the stable... >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri May 6 13:58:59 2011 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 19:58:59 GMT Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED Message-ID: <20110506.155859.29704.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Spec Miatas are very much a momentum car. Lift at the wrong place on the track and that lap is done. Need to draft where ever possible, which is why you often see them in a train and bump drafting. Also makes for big crashes, since when one gets out of whack there are usually others close by. They are a forgiving car and often when getting in trouble on the track just stand on the go pedal and it can be saved. If you want a car about the size of a Miata and performance like a monster miata, go for a Honda S2000. 240 HP out of the box for the 2 liter engine and 9000 redline. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Bill Babcock To: RACER BUD Cc: 'FoT Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:25:47 -0700 Clearly Chris has never driven one of the Monster Miatas. ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4dc45331231fa2d33e9st04duc From billb at bnj.com Fri May 6 14:05:47 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 13:05:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <20110506.155859.29704.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> References: <20110506.155859.29704.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <9516AED4-F462-452E-B1D6-0DE61788F8A9@bnj.com> ...and not much below 7000. I've driven one, great car, but make sure your fillings are in good shape before a trip. On May 6, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > Spec Miatas are very much a momentum car. Lift at the wrong place on the track and that lap is done. Need to draft where ever possible, which is why you often see them in a train and bump drafting. Also makes for big crashes, since when one gets out of whack there are usually others close by. > > They are a forgiving car and often when getting in trouble on the track just stand on the go pedal and it can be saved. > > If you want a car about the size of a Miata and performance like a monster miata, go for a Honda S2000. 240 HP out of the box for the 2 liter engine and 9000 redline. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Bill Babcock > To: RACER BUD > Cc: 'FoT Triumph' > Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED > Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:25:47 -0700 > > Clearly Chris has never driven one of the Monster Miatas. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Refinance Rates at 2.8% > $160,000 Mortgage $659/mo. No Hidden Points/Fees. 3.1% apr. Get Quote! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4dc453311f5132d4c77st02duc Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri May 6 14:38:44 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 16:38:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <9516AED4-F462-452E-B1D6-0DE61788F8A9@bnj.com> References: <20110506.155859.29704.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> <9516AED4-F462-452E-B1D6-0DE61788F8A9@bnj.com> Message-ID: <004801cc0c2d$983bf6b0$c8b3e410$@rogers.com> I sold my TR8s and got a 2001 BMW Z3 with the 3.0 engine and 5 speed. This car has the right combination in my book, retro look, torque, goes like stink, handles and still has all the creature comforts...and works. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: May 6, 2011 4:06 PM To: Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED ...and not much below 7000. I've driven one, great car, but make sure your fillings are in good shape before a trip. On May 6, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > Spec Miatas are very much a momentum car. Lift at the wrong place on > the track and that lap is done. Need to draft where ever possible, which is why you often see them in a train and bump drafting. Also makes for big crashes, since when one gets out of whack there are usually others close by. > > They are a forgiving car and often when getting in trouble on the > track just stand on the go pedal and it can be saved. > > If you want a car about the size of a Miata and performance like a > monster miata, go for a Honda S2000. 240 HP out of the box for the 2 liter engine and 9000 redline. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Bill Babcock > To: RACER BUD > Cc: 'FoT Triumph' > Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED > Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:25:47 -0700 > > Clearly Chris has never driven one of the Monster Miatas. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Refinance Rates at 2.8% > $160,000 Mortgage $659/mo. No Hidden Points/Fees. 3.1% apr. Get Quote! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4dc453311f5132d4c77st02duc Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From bownes at seiri.com Fri May 6 15:04:26 2011 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 17:04:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <004801cc0c2d$983bf6b0$c8b3e410$@rogers.com> References: <20110506.155859.29704.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> <9516AED4-F462-452E-B1D6-0DE61788F8A9@bnj.com> <004801cc0c2d$983bf6b0$c8b3e410$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <35966F77-91BA-4A4F-9B73-398CCC0D5803@seiri.com> Try the original M Coupe. :) BMW gave me one for a while when they first came out. Omi. :) On May 6, 2011, at 16:38, "macdonaldp" wrote: > I sold my TR8s and got a 2001 BMW Z3 with the 3.0 engine and 5 speed. This > car has the right combination in my book, retro look, torque, goes like > stink, handles and still has all the creature comforts...and works. > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: May 6, 2011 4:06 PM > To: Joe Boruch > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED > > ...and not much below 7000. I've driven one, great car, but make sure your > fillings are in good shape before a trip. > > On May 6, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > >> Spec Miatas are very much a momentum car. Lift at the wrong place on >> the > track and that lap is done. Need to draft where ever possible, which is why > you often see them in a train and bump drafting. Also makes for big > crashes, since when one gets out of whack there are usually others close by. >> >> They are a forgiving car and often when getting in trouble on the >> track just > stand on the go pedal and it can be saved. >> >> If you want a car about the size of a Miata and performance like a >> monster > miata, go for a Honda S2000. 240 HP out of the box for the 2 liter engine > and > 9000 redline. Joe(B) >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: Bill Babcock >> To: RACER BUD >> Cc: 'FoT Triumph' >> Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED >> Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:25:47 -0700 >> >> Clearly Chris has never driven one of the Monster Miatas. >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Refinance Rates at 2.8% >> $160,000 Mortgage $659/mo. No Hidden Points/Fees. 3.1% apr. Get Quote! >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4dc453311f5132d4c77st02duc > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri May 6 15:11:17 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 21:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <20110506.155859.29704.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <1304526974.816319.1304716277828.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I raced a spec miata last year ( scca ) and they do handle like crazy and the draft is important. Get out of the draft and your toast, did a bit of bump drafting too at PPIR. The top 4 or 5 miata drivers are still turning faster lap times than the TR's by about 3 -4B seconds a lap at High Plains but I expect to narrow that gap next week. The Miata's in spec trim weigh right about 2100 with driver, same size tires. A strong spec miata motor will have 118 - 120 HP. Their advantages are, lower CG, 50/50 weight distribution, wider track, better suspension & brakes and much better aero by far. At PPIR we hit the apex at T-2 at 115 MPH and continue to climb right up to T3 in a SM. In the TR4 it's more like 105 and not a lot after that up to T3. That's a lot to give up every lap. One neat little trick the SM guys do is actually hook thier wheels in the inside of the curbing which works really neat when it works, when you get it wrong it generally goes really wrong. It would be interesting to see what they would be like if modified to the level some of our cars are. Great cars though, I'm a big fan. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: billb at bnj.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 6, 2011 1:58:59 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED Spec Miatas are very much a momentum car. B Lift at the wrong place on the track and that lap is done. B Need to draft where ever possible, which is why you often see them in a train and bump drafting. B Also makes for big crashes, since when one gets out of whack there are usually others close by. They are a forgiving car and often when getting in trouble on the track just stand on the go pedal and it can be saved. If you want a car about the size of a Miata and performance like a monster miata, go for a Honda S2000. B 240 HP out of the box for the 2 liter engine and 9000 redline. B Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Bill Babcock To: RACER BUD Cc: 'FoT Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:25:47 -0700 Clearly Chris has never driven one of the Monster Miatas. ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4dc45331231fa2d33e9st04duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From gaf3 at charter.net Fri May 6 17:31:02 2011 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 19:31:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <004801cc0c2d$983bf6b0$c8b3e410$@rogers.com> References: <20110506.155859.29704.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> <9516AED4-F462-452E-B1D6-0DE61788F8A9@bnj.com> <004801cc0c2d$983bf6b0$c8b3e410$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DC484B6.2030404@charter.net> I have a barn full of Triumphs and I had a weak moment last year and picked up a 2000 Miata with only 50K on the clock. Nice car, some scuttle shake, everything works even the A/C. I towed it behind my motorhome last summer for 5K Miles on on to the Oregon Coast. Not the character or the Triumphs but again I don't have a list on the windshield of things to be done. Fun Car, reasonably priced. I like it!! Glenn On 5/6/2011 4:38 PM, macdonaldp wrote: > > I sold my TR8s and got a 2001 BMW Z3 with the 3.0 engine and 5 speed. This > car has the right combination in my book, retro look, torque, goes like > stink, handles and still has all the creature comforts...and works. > > Paul From igofaster at att.net Sat May 7 14:44:12 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 13:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] member nomination Message-ID: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. I have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He recently purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. I would like to nominate Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... Bobby Whitehead ... wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of today... From budscars at comcast.net Sat May 7 15:13:39 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 14:13:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] member nomination References: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I 2nd the nomination....welcome Jeff!.. Racer Bud...Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 1:44 PM Subject: [Fot] member nomination > I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. > > I have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He > recently > purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. > > I would like to nominate > > Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network > > jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... > > Bobby Whitehead ... > > wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of > today... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Sat May 7 15:27:27 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 17:27:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] member nomination Message-ID: <12c62a.1def265.3af7133f@aol.com> I second the nomination. Sam Clark In a message dated 5/7/2011 4:11:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, igofaster at att.net writes: I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. I have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He recently purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. I would like to nominate Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... Bobby Whitehead ... wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of today... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat May 7 15:30:40 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 16:30:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend Message-ID: <20110507213048.EF046187650@autox.team.net> Anyone besides me going to Road America May 13-15? Tony Drews From jerrybarr at charter.net Sat May 7 15:58:06 2011 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 16:58:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] member nomination In-Reply-To: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6337ACF1-781A-4604-88E1-7C755DE180BA@charter.net> Mustangs and GT6s What more can you ask?I second Jeff. On May 7, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. > > I have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He recently > purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. > > I would like to nominate > > Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network > > jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... > > Bobby Whitehead ... > > wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of > today... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Sat May 7 17:21:31 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 19:21:31 EDT Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend Message-ID: <12ebd4.5dc3bdf2.3af72dfb@aol.com> I wish. My wife and I were coming back from the 6-PACK trials that were held in Door County, WI a couple years back and met up with Larry Young, a member of our Club who was racing his TR3, and we were impressed with the track and the competition. Just can't give up the vacation time and the money. Good luck to all that can attend. Sam Green Country Triumphs (Tulsa) In a message dated 5/7/2011 4:52:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tony at tonydrews.com writes: Anyone besides me going to Road America May 13-15? Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From andre at gt6.ca Wed May 4 15:54:26 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 17:54:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Your ridiculously cool Triumph GT6 wallpaper is here Message-ID: Well I'll rank this in the pretty freaking cool section in life. http://jalopnik.com/5798686/ A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From sm1ski at dslextreme.com Fri May 6 09:44:14 2011 From: sm1ski at dslextreme.com (michael a kowalski) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 09:44:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 front uprights-race use References: <1948d.3f360b6.3af2079a@aol.com> Message-ID: <8042D273135642899989679B41DFE2E2@sarako> I just contacted Canley via email to ask about strength tests and was given the impression that they were available---I did not ask the specific question because I have worries from a message like the one below. mike kowalski 1500 FP spit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 front uprights-race use > They have been severely slated on the Brit car forums as poorly > engineered. They don't seem to be available last I checked, perhaps going > thru a > rethink? Dave Pearson is a top bloke so it will be right in the end. > > > In a message dated 5/3/2011 7:34:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > herald948 at aol.com writes: > > What about the "Trunnionless Front Suspension Kit" offered by Canley > Classics > in the UK: > > > http://www.canleyclassics.com/?xhtml=xhtml/product/catkit1.html&xsl=product. > x > sl > > NFI, just aware that it's out there.... > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Enquiries Road & Track > > I am researching alternatives for the front suspension uprights & > wishbones > > on my wifes Gt6 Triumph racer.... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sm1ski at dslextreme.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Sat May 7 18:32:59 2011 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 17:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend In-Reply-To: <20110507213048.EF046187650@autox.team.net> References: <20110507213048.EF046187650@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <246215.40775.qm@web125704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I plan on being there so I might as well start asking for a spare crew pass. Ernie ________________________________ From: Tony Drews To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 4:30:40 PM Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend Anyone besides me going to Road America May 13-15? Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From igofaster at att.net Sat May 7 19:08:22 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 18:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... In-Reply-To: <6337ACF1-781A-4604-88E1-7C755DE180BA@charter.net> References: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6337ACF1-781A-4604-88E1-7C755DE180BA@charter.net> Message-ID: <691202.1094.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> hey I have a new Mustang too and I didn't get barred .. my first was in 1976, a 1973 Mustang Grande' with a 351 Cleveland. Green with a sweet white vinyl top. Auto trans, I remember I put an Edelbrock manifold and a 4 barrel Holley with a Mach 1 hood.... 'course I was wearing some David Bowie blue shiny vinyl zip up jacket and my hair was down to my shoulders.... ahhhh.... back when I had hair... Bobby Whitehead I grew it all out and then it was gone.... ________________________________ From: Jerry Barr To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 4:58:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] member nomination Mustangs and GT6s What more can you ask?I second Jeff. On May 7, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. > > I have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He recently > purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. > > I would like to nominate > > Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network > > jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... > > Bobby Whitehead ... > > wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of > today... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat May 7 19:26:50 2011 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 18:26:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4A engine on Craigslist Message-ID: <4DC5F15A.6090701@greenheart.com> No interested here... but forwarding to the group in case someone's looking for an engine, or a head, etc. --Justin -------- Original Message -------- Web 1 new result for TR4A site:craigslist.org Triumph TR4 TR4A Engine Triumph TR4 TR4A Engine $100Seattle. Date 20110507 226PM PDT Reply to salerxujq2368323812craigslistorgErrors when replying to ads ... seattle.craigslist.org/see/pts/2368323812.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ti From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat May 7 19:30:06 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 21:30:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... In-Reply-To: <691202.1094.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <6337ACF1-781A-4604-88E1-7C755DE180BA@charter.net>, <691202.1094.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hmmmm, I had much more hair in the 70's prior to owning a Triumph (4 wheel anyhow) also. I see a correlation here. Triumphs make your hair less pronounced :) Marty > Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 18:08:22 -0700 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: jerrybarr at charter.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... > > hey I have a new Mustang too and I didn't get barred .. > > my first was in 1976, a 1973 Mustang Grande' with a 351 Cleveland. Green with a > sweet white vinyl top. Auto trans, I remember I put an Edelbrock manifold and a > 4 barrel Holley with a Mach 1 hood.... 'course I was wearing some David Bowie > blue shiny vinyl zip up jacket and my hair was down to my shoulders.... > ahhhh.... back when I had hair... > > Bobby Whitehead > > I grew it all out and then it was gone.... > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Jerry Barr > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 4:58:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] member nomination > > Mustangs and GT6s What more can you ask?I second Jeff. > On May 7, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > > I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. > > > > I have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He recently > > purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. > > > > I would like to nominate > > > > Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network > > > > jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... > > > > Bobby Whitehead ... > > > > wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of > > today... > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sat May 7 20:02:45 2011 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 19:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... In-Reply-To: References: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <6337ACF1-781A-4604-88E1-7C755DE180BA@charter.net>, <691202.1094.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <372973.87841.qm@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I still have a full head of hair, but it definitely is much more grey. ----- Original Message ---- From: marty sukey To: igofaster at att.net; jerrybarr at charter.net Cc: FOT Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 9:30:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... Hmmmm, I had much more hair in the 70's prior to owning a Triumph (4 wheel anyhow) also. I see a correlation here. Triumphs make your hair less pronounced :) Marty > Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 18:08:22 -0700 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: jerrybarr at charter.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... > > hey I have a new Mustang too and I didn't get barred .. > > my first was in 1976, a 1973 Mustang Grande' with a 351 Cleveland. Green with a > sweet white vinyl top. Auto trans, I remember I put an Edelbrock manifold and a > 4 barrel Holley with a Mach 1 hood.... 'course I was wearing some David Bowie > blue shiny vinyl zip up jacket and my hair was down to my shoulders.... > ahhhh.... back when I had hair... > > Bobby Whitehead > > I grew it all out and then it was gone.... > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Jerry Barr > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 4:58:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] member nomination > > Mustangs and GT6s What more can you ask?I second Jeff. > On May 7, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > > I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. > > > > I have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He recently > > purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. > > > > I would like to nominate > > > > Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network > > > > jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... > > > > Bobby Whitehead ... > > > > wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of > > today... > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From jkhagen at charter.net Sat May 7 20:50:25 2011 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 22:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend Message-ID: <6f78f346.2d5d7.12fcd835116.Webtop.48@charter.net> Tony-I'll be pre-viewing '62 Tr-4 last raced 1977 BIR SCCA. Dyno went well-but Test and tune day 5/2 at BIR got snowed out! So we'll just go with it. John Hagen On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Anyone besides me going to Road America May 13-15? > > Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun May 8 06:45:05 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 08 May 2011 08:45:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend In-Reply-To: <6f78f346.2d5d7.12fcd835116.Webtop.48@charter.net> References: <6f78f346.2d5d7.12fcd835116.Webtop.48@charter.net> Message-ID: <8CDDB94E4251337-900-47BD1@Webmail-d108.sysops.aol.com> good luck John. let us know how it goes. some of us will be in MO that weekend.... -----Original Message----- From: jkhagen at charter.net To: Tony Drews Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 9:50 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend Tony-I'll be pre-viewing '62 Tr-4 last raced 1977 BIR SCCA. Dyno went well-but Test and tune day 5/2 at BIR got snowed out! So we'll just go with it. John Hagen On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Anyone besides me going to Road America May 13-15? > > Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jsnook at wcnet.org Sun May 8 06:51:03 2011 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 08:51:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Road America Message-ID: <27B538B6-C176-41F4-AC65-E85C5113338A@wcnet.org> I'll be at RA this coming weekend, racing my Alexis FFord and not my TR3. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sun May 8 08:38:25 2011 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 07:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 345 gear set Message-ID: <301281.83572.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - anyone have a 345 ring and pinion to sell? Happy Mothers Day Dennis From BillDentin at aol.com Sun May 8 10:01:45 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 12:01:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] Road America Message-ID: Alas...Bob Wismer and I will miss our first May ROAD AMERICA vintage event ever. We both have grand children graduating this week end. Bob has grandsons graduating from WISCONSIN and Moline High School. I'll be in Fargo, ans I have a grand daughter graduating from North Dakota State University. Pity! We hate to miss it...but Bill Dentinger From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sun May 8 10:09:05 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 11:09:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend In-Reply-To: <20110507213048.EF046187650@autox.team.net> References: <20110507213048.EF046187650@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000101cc0d9a$41b8b350$c52a19f0$@com> We won't have the car ready but I'm going to try and get over to visit. Can I still get in with my VSCDA membership? If not if there is another extra crew pass I could use it. No big deal though, would probably just come over on either Friday afternoon or Saturday afternoon. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 4:31 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend Anyone besides me going to Road America May 13-15? Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From BillDentin at aol.com Sun May 8 10:35:06 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 12:35:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumph related, sort of... Message-ID: <34e39.7b6ee2c9.3af8203a@aol.com> Amici... Yesterday, in race number three on the Kentucky Derby Day under card, #2 Golden Triumph went off as the second favorite at just under three to one odds (I had him figured to run fourth). He had a sluggish start that appeared to be related to electrical issues, but still rushed to a forward position early in the race. Then at the half way point he appeared to hit an invisible wall and fell back to 6th (a fuel flow issue?). He was tired but showing a stiff upper lip, he still came back to finish in a dead heat for 5th. Make no mistake. Golden Triumph horse is a true blue blood. He cost his owners $400,000 in 2009. His daddy is Bernardini, who charges a $75,000 stud fee, and who just serviced super mare Zenyatta. His Mom is a mare out of Mr. Prospector. These are all top shelf blood lines. This was only his second start, and I think he should be expected to improve. Bill (Damdinger) From BillDentin at aol.com Sun May 8 10:36:39 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 12:36:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend Message-ID: <34fdf.790b4018.3af82097@aol.com> In a message dated 05/08/2011 11:27:32 AM Central Daylight Time, timmurph at fastbytes.com writes: > We won't have the car ready but I'm going to try and get over to visit. > Can > I still get in with my VSCDA membership? If not if there is another extra > crew pass I could use it. No big deal though, would probably just come > over > on either Friday afternoon or Saturday afternoon. > Probably not. While they are the sanctioning body, this is a ROAD AMERICA event Bill Dentinger From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun May 8 16:49:42 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 16:49:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] How to take 10lbs off a tr4 with 6 screwss Message-ID: <20110508225206.6AEE5187899@autox.team.net> Just unscrew the bottoms of the front fenders. I think I had a family of ferrets in mine. Made a nest out of klag. jim g From chasgee at aol.com Mon May 9 09:52:05 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 11:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood Message-ID: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> Hello All, Years ago I bought a really lightweight fiberglass hood for my 1500 Spitifre from a guy in Kansas. Thanks to the "redesign" I did at Portland, I need to replace the one I have. Unfortunaltey, I can't find any of my old information regarding the supplier. Does anyone know this guy or have a good source for 1500 fiberglass hoods? Thanks, Chuck Gee From spitlist at cox.net Mon May 9 11:53:43 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 10:53:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas Message-ID: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> Folks, I am trying to gather as much information about this person as possible. He seems to be a very (should I say) PROUD individual who has said some pretty nasty things about certain well respected individuals that we all know. So I would like some first hand information from people who have dealt with him so that I can formulate a more complete picture of what this guy is all about. I am already aware of the dealings he has had with Steve Smith so anything else that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joe Curry From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon May 9 12:03:45 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 11:03:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> Message-ID: Didn't he go by GT Thomas and wrote some tuning articles for triumph? Especially noted the 6 to 3 exhaust header for TR and GT sixes. Or are you talking about the rugby guy? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 10:53 AM Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas > Folks, > > I am trying to gather as much information about this person as possible. > He > seems to be a very (should I say) PROUD individual who has said some > pretty > nasty things about certain well respected individuals that we all know. > So > I would like some first hand information from people who have dealt with > him > so that I can formulate a more complete picture of what this guy is all > about. I am already aware of the dealings he has had with Steve Smith so > anything else that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Curry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From jeffn at micro.com Mon May 9 13:45:24 2011 From: jeffn at micro.com (jeffn at micro.com) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 14:45:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... In-Reply-To: <372973.87841.qm@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <6337ACF1-781A-4604-88E1-7C755DE180BA@charter.net>, <691202.1094.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <372973.87841.qm@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <64963.64.73.123.177.1304970324.squirrel@www.micro.com> Bobby, Thanks for the nomination. I have all three covered mustangs, one triumph and plenty of hair. Jeff > I still have a full head of hair, but it definitely is much more grey. > ----- Original Message ---- > From: marty sukey > To: > igofaster at att.net; jerrybarr at charter.net > Cc: FOT > Sent: > Sat, May 7, 2011 9:30:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... > Hmmmm, I had much more hair in the 70's prior to owning a Triumph (4 > wheel > anyhow) also. I see a correlation here. Triumphs make your hair less > pronounced :) > > Marty > >> Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 18:08:22 -0700 >> From: > igofaster at att.net >> To: jerrybarr at charter.net >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> > Subject: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... >> >> hey I have a new Mustang > too and I didn't get barred .. >> >> my first was in 1976, a 1973 Mustang > Grande' with a 351 Cleveland. Green > with a >> sweet white vinyl top. Auto > trans, I remember I put an Edelbrock manifold > and a >> 4 barrel Holley with a > Mach 1 hood.... 'course I was wearing some David > Bowie >> blue shiny vinyl zip > up jacket and my hair was down to my shoulders.... >> ahhhh.... back when I had > hair... >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> >> I grew it all out and then it was gone.... >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Jerry Barr > >> To: Bobby Whitehead >> Cc: > Friends of Triumph >> Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 4:58:06 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Fot] member nomination >> >> Mustangs and GT6s What more can you > ask?I second Jeff. >> On May 7, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >> > > I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. >> > >> > I > have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He > recently >> > > purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. >> > >> > I > would like to nominate >> > >> > Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network >> > >> > > jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... >> > >> > Bobby Whitehead ... >> > >> > > wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of >> > > today... >> > _______________________________________________ >> > > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net >> > _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffn at micro.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon May 9 14:52:17 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 20:52:17 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Among the missing Message-ID: I have discovered that I have had the MSN e-mail address service blocked out on my computer. So, if you have sent me a message in the past couple weeks or even months and I did not reply, that was the reason. Hopefully all is correct now. From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Mon May 9 14:58:00 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 16:58:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood In-Reply-To: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <26985264-EA68-43DF-B442-33A4A550F013@aol.com> Chuck I have a steel one in good shape. Some dents but very little to no rust. I had looked into honeybourne in the uk and it seemed that for about $1500 total i could get one of theirs shipped to me. Other than that I don't know of any other place. Chris On May 9, 2011, at 11:52 AM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > Hello All, > > Years ago I bought a really lightweight fiberglass hood for my 1500 Spitifre > from a guy in Kansas. Thanks to the "redesign" I did at Portland, I need to > replace the one I have. Unfortunaltey, I can't find any of my old information > regarding the supplier. Does anyone know this guy or have a good source for > 1500 fiberglass hoods? > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From billb at bnj.com Mon May 9 17:24:11 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 16:24:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> Message-ID: <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> You mean the gay rugby player? On May 9, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > Folks, > > I am trying to gather as much information about this person as possible. He > seems to be a very (should I say) PROUD individual who has said some pretty > nasty things about certain well respected individuals that we all know. So > I would like some first hand information from people who have dealt with him > so that I can formulate a more complete picture of what this guy is all > about. I am already aware of the dealings he has had with Steve Smith so > anything else that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Curry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spitlist at cox.net Mon May 9 18:44:18 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 17:44:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> Message-ID: When I googled him, I ran across that as well. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be the same person. If it was, it would be very easy to dismiss him. :-) Joe _____ From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:24 PM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas You mean the gay rugby player? On May 9, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Joe Curry wrote: Folks, I am trying to gather as much information about this person as possible. He seems to be a very (should I say) PROUD individual who has said some pretty nasty things about certain well respected individuals that we all know. So I would like some first hand information from people who have dealt with him so that I can formulate a more complete picture of what this guy is all about. I am already aware of the dealings he has had with Steve Smith so anything else that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joe Curry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From john at race-dogs.com Mon May 9 19:12:22 2011 From: john at race-dogs.com (John Wilkins) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 18:12:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood In-Reply-To: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000301cc0eaf$51048c60$f30da520$@com> http://www.performancefiberglass.com/spitfire.htm Maybe this guy- JW -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of chasgee at aol.com Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 8:52 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood Hello All, Years ago I bought a really lightweight fiberglass hood for my 1500 Spitifre from a guy in Kansas. Thanks to the "redesign" I did at Portland, I need to replace the one I have. Unfortunaltey, I can't find any of my old information regarding the supplier. Does anyone know this guy or have a good source for 1500 fiberglass hoods? Thanks, Chuck Gee _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at race-dogs.com -- This message was scanned WACS, Inc. Spam Filters is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=5E4B527FF8.77A29 From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon May 9 20:39:13 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 19:39:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Message-ID: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net> Just thought I'd check again. Has anyone received a confirmation of entry to this event this year? From sjanzen at me.com Mon May 9 20:41:31 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 22:41:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> Message-ID: <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com> hey, guys, no homophobic remarks please. I didn't think this was the forum for politics, personal prejudices or religion, other than any of those related to worship of Our Lady of Internal Combustion. On May 9, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Joe Curry wrote: When I googled him, I ran across that as well. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be the same person. If it was, it would be very easy to dismiss him. :-) Joe _____ From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:24 PM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas You mean the gay rugby player? On May 9, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Joe Curry wrote: Folks, I am trying to gather as much information about this person as possible. He seems to be a very (should I say) PROUD individual who has said some pretty nasty things about certain well respected individuals that we all know. So I would like some first hand information from people who have dealt with him so that I can formulate a more complete picture of what this guy is all about. I am already aware of the dealings he has had with Steve Smith so anything else that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joe Curry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 9 21:31:02 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 23:31:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net> References: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CDDCD9D2547719-21A0-747@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> Jim, I am hoping that one of the Kastner Cup committee will pop up and answer this question. I am aware that you are on Paul Smock's list. He and John indicated that they had calls into HMSA to try to find out who all is registered. We plan to wait until we are sure we are going to have a car in tow to California. It's looking pretty good based on the noise I heard today. Looking forward to it. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Jim Norlin To: FOT Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 9:39 pm Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Just thought I'd check again. Has anyone received a confirmation of entry to this event this year? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 9 22:09:22 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 23:09:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net> References: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20110510040937.C59BF18766A@autox.team.net> I've received nothing. They appear to not have cashed the check I sent either. So, the whole thing is either lost in the mail and I'll find out about that after 4 days of towing, or they're just being quiet about the whole thing. Kinda frustrating. The buttonwillow event, on the other hand gave me almost instant feedback that my registration went through. I kinda expected to see a few messages regarding this event as we're getting pretty close. Tony Drews At 09:39 PM 5/9/2011, Jim Norlin wrote: > Just thought I'd check again. Has anyone received a > confirmation of entry to this event this year? >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Mon May 9 22:15:46 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 21:15:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <20110510040937.C59BF18766A@autox.team.net> References: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net> <20110510040937.C59BF18766A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I will check with HMSA as soon as Cris returns my calls and will see that he sends out confirmations to all that have registered so far. On May 9, 2011 9:09 PM, "Tony Drews" wrote: > I've received nothing. They appear to not have cashed the check I > sent either. So, the whole thing is either lost in the mail and I'll > find out about that after 4 days of towing, or they're just being > quiet about the whole thing. Kinda frustrating. > > The buttonwillow event, on the other hand gave me almost instant > feedback that my registration went through. > > I kinda expected to see a few messages regarding this event as we're > getting pretty close. > > Tony Drews > > At 09:39 PM 5/9/2011, Jim Norlin wrote: >> Just thought I'd check again. Has anyone received a >> confirmation of entry to this event this year? >>_______________________________________________ >>fot at autox.team.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From chasgee at aol.com Mon May 9 22:23:18 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 00:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood In-Reply-To: <20DC70733C584DB3ACDA3ECEB30990E4@sarako> References: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> <26985264-EA68-43DF-B442-33A4A550F013@aol.com> <20DC70733C584DB3ACDA3ECEB30990E4@sarako> Message-ID: <8CDDCE11F8C3AAB-1B64-C9AE@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> Thanks guys, but I have a steel one. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: michael a kowalski To: Christopher Bock ; chasgee Cc: FOT Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 7:05 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood if you are considering steel alternatives like the last message, I have one ith flares that is heavy like steel. but you can have it. mike kowalski 500 FP spit ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Christopher Bock" o: c: ent: Monday, May 09, 2011 2:58 PM ubject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood Chuck I have a steel one in good shape. Some dents but very little to no rust. I had looked into honeybourne in the uk and it seemed that for about $1500 total i could get one of theirs shipped to me. Other than that I don't know of any other place. Chris On May 9, 2011, at 11:52 AM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > Hello All, > > Years ago I bought a really lightweight fiberglass hood for my 1500 Spitifre > from a guy in Kansas. Thanks to the "redesign" I did at Portland, I need to > replace the one I have. Unfortunaltey, I can't find any of my old information > regarding the supplier. Does anyone know this guy or have a good source for > 1500 fiberglass hoods? > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sm1ski at dslextreme.com From chasgee at aol.com Mon May 9 22:26:34 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 00:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood In-Reply-To: <000301cc0eaf$51048c60$f30da520$@com> References: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> <000301cc0eaf$51048c60$f30da520$@com> Message-ID: <8CDDCE1944CA970-1B64-CAF2@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> Thanks John. That looks like the guy I bought from before. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: John Wilkins To: chasgee ; FOT Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 6:12 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood http://www.performancefiberglass.com/spitfire.htm Maybe this guy- JW -----Original Message----- rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On ehalf Of chasgee at aol.com ent: Monday, May 09, 2011 8:52 AM o: FOT at autox.team.net ubject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood Hello All, Years ago I bought a really lightweight fiberglass hood for my 1500 Spitifre rom a guy in Kansas. Thanks to the "redesign" I did at Portland, I need to eplace the one I have. Unfortunaltey, I can't find any of my old nformation egarding the supplier. Does anyone know this guy or have a good source for 500 fiberglass hoods? Thanks, Chuck Gee ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at race-dogs.com -- his message was scanned WACS, Inc. Spam Filters is believed to be clean. lick here to report this message as spam. ttp://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=5E4B527FF8.77A29 From billb at bnj.com Tue May 10 00:21:41 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 23:21:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com> References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com> Message-ID: <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com> What exactly is homophobic about referring to an openly gay rugby player as a gay rugby player? If you took the time to do a little research instead of leaping to judge you'd find ample reason to dismiss that particular person's comments that have nothing to do with homophobia, as Joe wrote--he's an outrageous character. There's always someone ready to tell other people what they should or should not say. I find that far more offensive than any presumed prejudice. On May 9, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > hey, guys, no homophobic remarks please. I didn't think this was the forum for politics, personal prejudices or religion, other than any of those related to worship of Our Lady of Internal Combustion. > > > > On May 9, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > > When I googled him, I ran across that as well. Unfortunately, it doesn't > appear to be the same person. If it was, it would be very easy to dismiss > him. :-) > > > > Joe > > > > _____ > > From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] > Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:24 PM > To: Joe Curry > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas > > > > You mean the gay rugby player? > > On May 9, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > > > > > > Folks, > > I am trying to gather as much information about this person as possible. He > seems to be a very (should I say) PROUD individual who has said some pretty > nasty things about certain well respected individuals that we all know. So > I would like some first hand information from people who have dealt with him > so that I can formulate a more complete picture of what this guy is all > about. I am already aware of the dealings he has had with Steve Smith so > anything else that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Curry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > > > > > Bill Babcock > > billb at bnj.com > > 503.936.7660 > > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue May 10 07:32:58 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 09:32:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com> References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com> <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com> Message-ID: I agree with you that excessive political correctness can be as narrow minded as the other extreme. If I came to the wrong conclusion, I apologize for that. I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was appropriate, especially in the context of the prior emails. Near as I can tell, Gareth Thomas (the rugby player) was an outrageously good rugby player for reasons having nothing to do with being gay, long before he came out. The only reason his being gay is news is that there are so few professional athletes willing to be public about it in an environment that is typically anti-gay. So, would you routinely describe Kobe Bryant as that straight basketball player? Lewis Hamilton as that straight F1 driver? Tom Brady as that straight NFL quarterback? OK, I'm sticking to Triumph subjects in this forum from now on . . . anybody else going to be at Summit Point for the Jefferson 500 this weekend? On May 10, 2011, at 2:21 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: What exactly is homophobic about referring to an openly gay rugby player as a gay rugby player? If you took the time to do a little research instead of leaping to judge you'd find ample reason to dismiss that particular person's comments that have nothing to do with homophobia, as Joe wrote--he's an outrageous character. There's always someone ready to tell other people what they should or should not say. I find that far more offensive than any presumed prejudice. On May 9, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > hey, guys, no homophobic remarks please. I didn't think this was the forum for politics, personal prejudices or religion, other than any of those related to worship of Our Lady of Internal Combustion. > > > > On May 9, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > > When I googled him, I ran across that as well. Unfortunately, it doesn't > appear to be the same person. If it was, it would be very easy to dismiss > him. :-) > > > > Joe > > > > _____ > > From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] > Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:24 PM > To: Joe Curry > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas > > > > You mean the gay rugby player? > > On May 9, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > > > > > > Folks, > > I am trying to gather as much information about this person as possible. He > seems to be a very (should I say) PROUD individual who has said some pretty > nasty things about certain well respected individuals that we all know. So > I would like some first hand information from people who have dealt with him > so that I can formulate a more complete picture of what this guy is all > about. I am already aware of the dealings he has had with Steve Smith so > anything else that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Curry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > > > > > Bill Babcock > > billb at bnj.com > > 503.936.7660 > > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From BillDentin at aol.com Tue May 10 08:12:53 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 10:12:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas Message-ID: <27b0b6.5efd3da1.3afaa1e5@aol.com> In a message dated 05/10/2011 1:22:39 AM Central Daylight Time, billb at bnj.com writes: > What exactly is homophobic about referring to an openly gay rugby player > as a > gay rugby player? Right. But you said 'the gay rugby player' and not 'a gay rugby player'. I took it to mean 'the gay rugby player named Gareth Thomas' as opposed to those gay rugby players not name Gareth Thomas. Hence, I was not offended. Bill (Damdinger) However, if the 'Triumph related' Gareth Thomas is gay, I'd appreciate getting a heads up off list. I do not consider myself homophobic, but I am still cautious. From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue May 10 08:50:40 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 10:50:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Free case of VR1 Racing Synthetic Motor Oil, after mail in rebate Message-ID: <380-220115210145040245@M2W108.mail2web.com> Hi gang! I just came across this and wanted to share: http://www.valvolinevr1racingoil.com/ Rebate Details: MUST DOWNLOAD AND USE OFFICIAL OFFER FORM b THIS DETAILS PAGE CANNOT BE SUBMITTED IN ORDER TO RECEIVE A REBATE. PLEASE READ THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS THOROUGHLY. 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Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From gasket.works at gte.net Tue May 10 10:27:56 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:27:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net><20110510040937.C59BF18766A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2132491213-1305044877-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-249211523-@bda712.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I just spoke to cris @ hmsa. He says acceptance letters letters will go out this week. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: John Nikas Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 21:15:46 To: Tony Drews Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup I will check with HMSA as soon as Cris returns my calls and will see that he sends out confirmations to all that have registered so far. On May 9, 2011 9:09 PM, "Tony Drews" wrote: > I've received nothing. They appear to not have cashed the check I > sent either. So, the whole thing is either lost in the mail and I'll > find out about that after 4 days of towing, or they're just being > quiet about the whole thing. Kinda frustrating. > > The buttonwillow event, on the other hand gave me almost instant > feedback that my registration went through. > > I kinda expected to see a few messages regarding this event as we're > getting pretty close. > > Tony Drews > > At 09:39 PM 5/9/2011, Jim Norlin wrote: >> Just thought I'd check again. Has anyone received a >> confirmation of entry to this event this year? >>_______________________________________________ >>fot at autox.team.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net From billb at bnj.com Tue May 10 11:41:27 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 10:41:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net> <20110510040937.C59BF18766A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I guess I better get rolling on registering, though I was thinking of holding off until after next week. I'm probably going to have knee surgery. I'd like to see how that's going before I commit to my summer schedule. As it stands I'm almost certainly going to miss the SOVERN spring sprints since I'm pencilled in for getting stabbed with arrows (arthroscopic) on Friday once the doc looks at the MRI I had yesterday. Getting old isn't for sissies. On May 9, 2011, at 9:15 PM, John Nikas wrote: > I will check with HMSA as soon as Cris returns my calls and will see that he > sends out confirmations to all that have registered so far. > On May 9, 2011 9:09 PM, "Tony Drews" wrote: >> I've received nothing. They appear to not have cashed the check I >> sent either. So, the whole thing is either lost in the mail and I'll >> find out about that after 4 days of towing, or they're just being >> quiet about the whole thing. Kinda frustrating. >> >> The buttonwillow event, on the other hand gave me almost instant >> feedback that my registration went through. >> >> I kinda expected to see a few messages regarding this event as we're >> getting pretty close. >> >> Tony Drews From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue May 10 12:37:32 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 11:37:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com> <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000601cc0f41$568d8d70$03a8a850$@rr.com> > I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was appropriate, IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay rugby players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the person you are referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot tall rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" with being that tall. -- Randall From jerrybarr at charter.net Tue May 10 15:44:26 2011 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:44:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <000601cc0f41$568d8d70$03a8a850$@rr.com> References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com> <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com> <000601cc0f41$568d8d70$03a8a850$@rr.com> Message-ID: ARE WE DONE NOW? On May 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Randall wrote: >> I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was appropriate, > > IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay rugby > players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the person you are > referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot tall > rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" with being > that tall. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From billdentin at aol.com Tue May 10 16:32:06 2011 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 18:32:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] I'm not done yet.... Message-ID: <8CDDD7939F7E3A8-11EC-15A06@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> Amici... Ask not, "Who is Gareth Thomas! Ask rather..."Who is John Galt?" Bill (Damdinger) From chasgee at aol.com Tue May 10 17:07:02 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 19:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] I'm not done yet.... In-Reply-To: <8CDDD7939F7E3A8-11EC-15A06@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDDD7939F7E3A8-11EC-15A06@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDDD7E1B661A23-2148-FCF4@webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com> I believe that would be Prometheus, without all of the suffering.... -----Original Message----- From: billdentin To: fot Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 3:55 pm Subject: [Fot] I'm not done yet.... Amici... Ask not, "Who is Gareth Thomas! Ask rather..."Who is John Galt?" Bill (Damdinger) ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From kaskas at cox.net Tue May 10 17:07:43 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 23:07:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista>, <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com>, , <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com>, <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com>, , <000601cc0f41$568d8d70$03a8a850$@rr.com>, Message-ID: I'm the only guy he malignes, so I cannot comment . (well, I CAN but I will not) > From: jerrybarr at charter.net > Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:44:26 -0500 > To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas > > ARE WE DONE NOW? > On May 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Randall wrote: > > >> I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was appropriate, > > > > IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay rugby > > players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the person you > are > > referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot tall > > rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" with being > > that tall. > > > > -- Randall > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 10 17:31:05 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 17:31:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] back to the point... who is Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <8CDDD7939F7E3A8-11EC-15A06@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20110510233833.216DC187651@autox.team.net> All the other stuff aside, I have read a little bit about Gareth Thomas but can't find any of the parts he supposedly produces. I did however find a blog site by Barry Scott who seems to have some uncomplimentary things to say about some unnamed person or persons. The blog is more of a rant than anything while at the same time praising G.T. for all the great things he has done for Triumph owners jim g http://crazyspitfire.blogspot.com/2008/11/latest-tuning-innovations-that-act ually.html -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of billdentin at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 4:32 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] I'm not done yet.... Amici... Ask not, "Who is Gareth Thomas! Ask rather..."Who is John Galt?" Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Tue May 10 17:41:50 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 19:41:50 EDT Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas Message-ID: <152f8.1a44741b.3afb273e@aol.com> In my opinion, it was done before it started. Sam Clark In a message dated 5/10/2011 6:28:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: I'm the only guy he malignes, so I cannot comment . (well, I CAN but I will not) > From: jerrybarr at charter.net > Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:44:26 -0500 > To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas > > ARE WE DONE NOW? > On May 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Randall wrote: > > >> I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was appropriate, > > > > IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay rugby > > players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the person you > are > > referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot tall > > rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" with being > > that tall. > > > > -- Randall > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue May 10 18:38:03 2011 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 17:38:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <152f8.1a44741b.3afb273e@aol.com> References: <152f8.1a44741b.3afb273e@aol.com> Message-ID: We still talking about Miata drivers? On May 10, 2011, at 4:41 PM, TRDOCTOR at aol.com wrote: > In my opinion, it was done before it started. > > Sam Clark > > > In a message dated 5/10/2011 6:28:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > kaskas at cox.net writes: > > I'm the only guy he malignes, so I cannot comment . (well, I CAN but I > will > not) > >> From: jerrybarr at charter.net >> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:44:26 -0500 >> To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas >> >> ARE WE DONE NOW? >> On May 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Randall wrote: >> >>>> I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was > appropriate, >>> >>> IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay > rugby >>> players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the person > you >> are >>> referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot > tall >>> rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" with > being >>> that tall. >>> >>> -- Randall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 10 18:42:05 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 17:42:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista>, <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com>, , <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com>, <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com>, , <000601cc0f41$568d8d70$03a8a850$@rr.com>, Message-ID: <250BE22F462A4764AA2CA0689414AF8A@Vista> I hate to burst your bubble, Kas, but he also had some rather harsh words about John Kipping among others. It appears that anybody whose name comes up as knowing anything about Triumphs is subject to his putdowns in an effort to establish himself as the ultimate Triumph Expert! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 4:08 PM To: jerrybarr at charter.net; tr3driver at ca.rr.com Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas I'm the only guy he malignes, so I cannot comment . (well, I CAN but I will not) From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 10 18:48:32 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 17:48:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] back to the point... who is Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <20110510233833.216DC187651@autox.team.net> References: <8CDDD7939F7E3A8-11EC-15A06@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> <20110510233833.216DC187651@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2F9D9B4876C94EE7961FD8C809C53AE2@Vista> Maybe Barry Scott is a pseudonym that Gareth Thomas writes under! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Gray Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 4:31 PM To: billdentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] back to the point... who is Gareth Thomas All the other stuff aside, I have read a little bit about Gareth Thomas but can't find any of the parts he supposedly produces. I did however find a blog site by Barry Scott who seems to have some uncomplimentary things to say about some unnamed person or persons. The blog is more of a rant than anything while at the same time praising G.T. for all the great things he has done for Triumph owners jim g http://crazyspitfire.blogspot.com/2008/11/latest-tuning-innovations-that-act ually.html -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of billdentin at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 4:32 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] I'm not done yet.... Amici... Ask not, "Who is Gareth Thomas! Ask rather..."Who is John Galt?" Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tr4.tony at virgin.net Wed May 11 02:22:03 2011 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 09:22:03 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com> <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com> <000601cc0f41$568d8d70$03a8a850$@rr.com> Message-ID: <76A32F02-8FF5-4E64-A9E7-F27F27471359@virgin.net> Never heard of him ..... Says it all Tony Sent from My iPhone On 11 May 2011, at 00:07, Kas Kastner wrote: > I'm the only guy he malignes, so I cannot comment . (well, I CAN but I will > not) > >> From: jerrybarr at charter.net >> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:44:26 -0500 >> To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas >> >> ARE WE DONE NOW? >> On May 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Randall wrote: >> >>>> I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was appropriate, >>> >>> IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay rugby >>> players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the person you >> are >>> referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot tall >>> rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" with being >>> that tall. >>> >>> -- Randall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From walt at hot-tr6.com Wed May 11 08:53:19 2011 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 08:53:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 red 13 blade engine fans from Moss Motors - Problems Message-ID: <001a01cc0feb$2c713690$8553a3b0$@hot-tr6.com> Moss Motors is making a replacement 13 blade engine fan for TR6s. Part number 835-270. I have gone through two of these on my vintage TR6 racecar. They last anywhere from two to 4 days before they grenade taking out water hoses and trying to exit through the hood of my car. I am not overtorquing at install. My previous original equipment fans have lasted for years. Is anyone else having problems with these new fans from Moss? Thanks Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TR4 Tony Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:22 AM To: Kas Kastner Cc: ; fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas Never heard of him ..... Says it all Tony Sent from My iPhone On 11 May 2011, at 00:07, Kas Kastner wrote: > I'm the only guy he malignes, so I cannot comment . (well, I CAN but I > will > not) > >> From: jerrybarr at charter.net >> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:44:26 -0500 >> To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas >> >> ARE WE DONE NOW? >> On May 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Randall wrote: >> >>>> I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was >>>> appropriate, >>> >>> IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay >>> rugby players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the >>> person you >> are >>> referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot >>> tall rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" >>> with being that tall. >>> >>> -- Randall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed May 11 14:59:14 2011 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 16:59:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam Message-ID: Hello to all, I am looking for a GT-6 cam for racing, does anyone have any input on where to get one or who carries them,,thanks rob deanes TR Racer From igofaster at att.net Wed May 11 15:08:18 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 14:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: References: <152f8.1a44741b.3afb273e@aol.com> Message-ID: <923242.33540.qm@web180815.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> only gay Miata drivers.... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Steven Belfer To: "TRDOCTOR at aol.com" Cc: "tr3driver at ca.rr.com" ; "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 7:38:03 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas We still talking about Miata drivers? From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed May 11 15:52:05 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 14:52:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam References: Message-ID: Try http://www.deltacam.com/index.php Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Deanes" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 1:59 PM Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam > Hello to all, I am looking for a GT-6 cam for racing, does anyone have any > input on where to get one or who carries them,,thanks > > > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed May 11 16:20:03 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 17:20:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Small world, Sam Halkias,Little 500 Message-ID: - just a bit of small town Triumph irony that made me feel big in racing - My racing career officially started and continues every April with an event that begins my yearly racing calender... and started me on a path of road racing go karts. Every April, a sleepy little town in central Indiana erupts with the sound of racing engines for a weekend of awesomeness. St.Joseph's College in Rensselaer Indiana hosts a "little 500" endurance race for both the current student body and an Alumni race. I have been a big supporter and sponsor of the race fielding "Friendly Ghost Racing" student Karts and racing myself in the Alumni race. I have not missed one in 21 years. It is a big event for my family and friends. From my own perspective, the race is quite like the real Indy 500. Hard to win, and a major racing accomplishment ultimate goal for any racer. I suppose similar to the, now famous Kastner Cup in our Triumph world. Anyway, I had my GT6 down there with me this year. I was going to race the "Little 500" on Saturday and my Triumph on Sunday, three hours away at Blackhawk Farms. A knowingly ambitious plan that turned out to be a weekend without Triumph racing due to massive rain on Saturday. So my big "Little 500" race was the only event for me. And that was fine anyway, because, as it turns out, I was so sore and tired from racing my go-kart, a parlay would have been a pipe dream. With my race car on the trailer, word spreads fast in a small town... soon a few of the town's racing legends were down at the local machine shop to check out my ride. Racing is pretty big in Rensselaer. And at the top of the heap is a fellow named Wedge Rafferty, an old time SCCA'er with legendary endurance racing and sports car history. I have known Wedge for over 20 years, he was a sponsor for my Go Kart teams and has great racing "know how." I bought my first trailer from him 20 years ago. In the coarse of bench racing chatter and B.S. with Wedge, someone who really understands the thrill of racing, I was talking about how great this past year has been for me racing the GT6, the coolness of FOT,meeting Kas Kastner, Racing the Kastner Cup. etc. When I mentioned that I was racing against these great Triumph guys....he instantly dropped the name Sam Halkias and continued to divulge that Sam worked on his pit crew fresh out of school when, Mr. EP Champ, was just a wee lad with a minimal interest in racing. I won major points with that group when I told Wedge that not only did I see Sam win the SCCA National Championship from Canada Corner at Elkhart Lake, I also raced against him at Heartland Park and enjoyed a few conversations with him at our last Kastner Cup. So yeah, Team Turtle, Wedge Rafferty...old small town college road racing hero's of mine, apparently helped Sam Halkias get some sort of introduction to racing? Wedge was delighted to hear that all of us somehow knew each other and the friendship and history made a neat conection of three generations of racing. >From Wedge Rafferty, to Sam Halkias, to me.... so, Small world eh Sam? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 11 16:24:21 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 18:24:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> Tilden Cams larry young appears to have the best approach to analyzing cams these days. He has done some remarkable things for our tractor engines. He is on the list..... -----Original Message----- From: Robert Deanes To: FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 3:59 pm Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam Hello to all, I am looking for a GT-6 cam for racing, does anyone have any input on where to get one or who carries them,,thanks rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 11 17:06:13 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 19:06:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Small world, Sam Halkias,Little 500 now LAGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDDE47287B4D9E-1084-1F483@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com> Sam Halkias is going to be with us at Laguna Seca in a few weeks. Something good always happens at the Kastner Cups. This will be no exception. Hardy Prentice will have his SCCA CHAMP car on display, as well. BTW, we have another great Kastner Cup poster available. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 5:20 pm Subject: [Fot] Small world, Sam Halkias,Little 500 - just a bit of small town Triumph irony that made me feel big in racing - My racing career officially started and continues every April with an event that begins my yearly racing calender... and started me on a path of road racing go karts. Every April, a sleepy little town in central Indiana erupts with the sound of racing engines for a weekend of awesomeness. St.Joseph's College in Rensselaer Indiana hosts a "little 500" endurance race for both the current student body and an Alumni race. I have been a big supporter and sponsor of the race fielding "Friendly Ghost Racing" student Karts and racing myself in the Alumni race. I have not missed one in 21 years. It is a big event for my family and friends. From my own perspective, the race is quite like the real Indy 500. Hard to win, and a major racing accomplishment ultimate goal for any racer. I suppose similar to the, now famous Kastner Cup in our Triumph world. Anyway, I had my GT6 down there with me this year. I was going to race the "Little 500" on Saturday and my Triumph on Sunday, three hours away at Blackhawk Farms. A knowingly ambitious plan that turned out to be a weekend without Triumph racing due to massive rain on Saturday. So my big "Little 500" race was the only event for me. And that was fine anyway, because, as it turns out, I was so sore and tired from racing my go-kart, a parlay would have been a pipe dream. With my race car on the trailer, word spreads fast in a small town... soon a few of the town's racing legends were down at the local machine shop to check out my ride. Racing is pretty big in Rensselaer. And at the top of the heap is a fellow named Wedge Rafferty, an old time SCCA'er with legendary endurance racing and sports car history. I have known Wedge for over 20 years, he was a sponsor for my Go Kart teams and has great racing "know how." I bought my first trailer from him 20 years ago. In the coarse of bench racing chatter and B.S. with Wedge, someone who really understands the thrill of racing, I was talking about how great this past year has been for me racing the GT6, the coolness of FOT,meeting Kas Kastner, Racing the Kastner Cup. etc. When I mentioned that I was racing against these great Triumph guys....he instantly dropped the name Sam Halkias and continued to divulge that Sam worked on his pit crew fresh out of school when, Mr. EP Champ, was just a wee lad with a minimal interest in racing. I won major points with that group when I told Wedge that not only did I see Sam win the SCCA National Championship from Canada Corner at Elkhart Lake, I also raced against him at Heartland Park and enjoyed a few conversations with him at our last Kastner Cup. So yeah, Team Turtle, Wedge Rafferty...old small town college road racing hero's of mine, apparently helped Sam Halkias get some sort of introduction to racing? Wedge was delighted to hear that all of us somehow knew each other and the friendship and history made a neat conection of three generations of racing. >From Wedge Rafferty, to Sam Halkias, to me.... so, Small world eh Sam? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed May 11 19:38:06 2011 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 21:38:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DCB39FE.5060507@cfl.rr.com> Ric Cline of GT6 fame will make you the best cam possible. He has raced and built Spits and GT6's from the beginning of time and continues to crank out services from his machine shop.. On 5/11/2011 4:59 PM, Robert Deanes wrote: > Hello to all, I am looking for a GT-6 cam for racing, does anyone have any > input on where to get one or who carries them,,thanks > > > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed May 11 20:22:17 2011 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 red 13 blade engine fans from Moss Motors - Problems In-Reply-To: <001a01cc0feb$2c713690$8553a3b0$@hot-tr6.com> Message-ID: <691694.91094.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Walt: Have you contacted Kelvin at Moss to let him know? Moss usually responds to feedback, both positive and negative, very well. They have always put a defective product on hold until the probelm is solved. -Ed- --- On Wed, 5/11/11, Walter Hollowell wrote: From: Walter Hollowell Subject: [Fot] TR6 red 13 blade engine fans from Moss Motors - Problems To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 9:53 AM Moss Motors is making a replacement 13 blade engine fan for TR6s. Part number 835-270. I have gone through two of these on my vintage TR6 racecar. They last anywhere from two to 4 days before they grenade taking out water hoses and trying to exit through the hood of my car. I am not overtorquing at install. My previous original equipment fans have lasted for years. Is anyone else having problems with these new fans from Moss? Thanks Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TR4 Tony Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:22 AM To: Kas Kastner Cc: ; fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas Never heard of him ..... Says it all Tony Sent from My iPhone On 11 May 2011, at 00:07, Kas Kastner wrote: > I'm the only guy he malignes, so I cannot comment . (well, I CAN but I > will > not) > >> From: jerrybarr at charter.net >> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:44:26 -0500 >> To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas >> >> ARE WE DONE NOW? >> On May 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Randall wrote: >> >>>> I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was >>>> appropriate, >>> >>> IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay >>> rugby players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the >>> person you >> are >>> referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot >>> tall rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" >>> with being that tall. >>> >>> -- Randall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Thu May 12 01:49:27 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:49:27 +1000 Subject: [Fot] gareth thomas Message-ID: Gareth was a well known UK triumph personality in the 80's and wrote a triumph tuning book , based mostly on his spitfire tuning/race experiences. i met him in the UK many years ago. I have been in touch with him recently, and have his email if anyone needs it. I believe his views were always controversial , but he seemed to be someone who thought "outside the box". we all know that works sometimes, but often not. He did a lot of work on the benefits of various exhaust designs, and i have a 6 cyl set based on his results, which i have had a lot of success with, over many years. Whilst his book referred to a lot of flow testing, no substantial data seems to have been ever published to support the claims. he kindly sent me some data recently, in response to a very specific question about flow values for a 2500 head. i have also seen a lot of his negative comments about other peoples tuning products. My + 30 years of TR experiences tell me the bullshit stops when the flag drops. The people who consistently are the front, usually have the best products under the hood. if i want advice, i head in that direction. Terry O'Beirne, Australia From cartravel at pobox.com Thu May 12 09:08:13 2011 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 10:08:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> Joe, Thanks for the plug, but I haven't done a six cylinder cam. I am still planning to do a street cam to "undetune" my TR250. I would like to profile some of the available cams, especially the TR5 cam. Does anyone have one to loan? Larry On 5/11/2011 5:24 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > Tilden Cams larry young appears to have the best approach to analyzing cams > these days. > > He has done some remarkable things for our tractor engines. > > He is on the list..... From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu May 12 10:04:20 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 09:04:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> Message-ID: <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. http://www.deltacam.com/ Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam > Joe, > Thanks for the plug, but I haven't done a six cylinder cam. I am still > planning to do a street cam to "undetune" my TR250. I would like to > profile some of the available cams, especially the TR5 cam. Does anyone > have one to loan? > Larry > > On 5/11/2011 5:24 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >> Tilden Cams larry young appears to have the best approach to >> analyzing cams >> these days. >> >> He has done some remarkable things for our tractor engines. >> >> He is on the list..... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From cartravel at pobox.com Thu May 12 13:04:59 2011 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 14:04:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> Message-ID: <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> I could not find specs for their cams at that website. I have started a table of 6 cylinder cam specs, similar to the one for TR3/4 at my website. The problem is that most companies don't list complete specs. Larry Young www.TildenTechnologies.com On 5/12/2011 11:04 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: > Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. > http://www.deltacam.com/ > Charly Mitchel From jason at multivintage.com Thu May 12 14:52:21 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 15:52:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> Message-ID: Isky Cams has some specs for 6 cyl Triumph cams on the website in their online catalog. http://www.iskycams.com/onlinecatalog.html I have several Isky Cams that came with my car and a Crane cam as well. Also, The extremely fast Zippy Racing GT6 uses a very old and well maintained Isky Cam. They call Mr. Iskenderian the CAMFATHER for a reason. For what its worth, that's two Championship winning GT6's, with long, long race histories in SCCA and Midwestern Council... after hundreds of GT6 race outings running up front, The Isky cams have remained in both engines rebuild after rebuild. Be advised... I am not an experienced engine builder, but have been rather fanatical when it comes to studying what has been successful in GT6 race cars. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Larry Young wrote: > I could not find specs for their cams at that website. I have started a > table of 6 cylinder cam specs, similar to the one for TR3/4 at my website. > The problem is that most companies don't list complete specs. > Larry Young > www.TildenTechnologies.com > > > On 5/12/2011 11:04 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: > >> Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. >> http://www.deltacam.com/ >> Charly Mitchel >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu May 12 15:28:13 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 14:28:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> Message-ID: <38102822E89344B983B2E0ECF8DE2E43@Charly> I have their cam specs book and can send it to you if you'd like. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "Charly Mitchel" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam >I could not find specs for their cams at that website. I have started a > table of 6 cylinder cam specs, similar to the one for TR3/4 at my > website. The problem is that most companies don't list complete specs. > Larry Young > www.TildenTechnologies.com > > On 5/12/2011 11:04 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: >> Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. >> http://www.deltacam.com/ >> Charly Mitchel From chasgee at aol.com Thu May 12 15:34:45 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com><4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly><4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> Message-ID: <8CDDF038BC344C5-1138-17B99@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> All, Based on the numbers in the Isky catalog, it looks like they are milder that the original Kastner S-9. The S-9 is quite a cam and produces really good power. I would not overlook it as an option. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: Larry Young Cc: fot Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 2:22 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam Isky Cams has some specs for 6 cyl Triumph cams on the website in their nline catalog. http://www.iskycams.com/onlinecatalog.html have several Isky Cams that came with my car and a Crane cam as ell. Also, The extremely fast Zippy Racing GT6 uses a very old and well aintained Isky Cam. They call Mr. Iskenderian the CAMFATHER for a reason. or what its worth, that's two Championship winning GT6's, with long, ong race histories in SCCA and Midwestern Council... after hundreds of GT6 ace outings running up front, The Isky cams have remained in both engines ebuild after rebuild. e advised... I am not an experienced engine builder, but have been rather anatical when it comes to studying what has been successful in GT6 race ars. Jason Ostrowski riendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 n Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Larry Young wrote: > I could not find specs for their cams at that website. I have started a table of 6 cylinder cam specs, similar to the one for TR3/4 at my website. The problem is that most companies don't list complete specs. Larry Young www.TildenTechnologies.com On 5/12/2011 11:04 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: > Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. > http://www.deltacam.com/ > Charly Mitchel > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From jason at multivintage.com Thu May 12 18:01:31 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 19:01:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: <8CDDF038BC344C5-1138-17B99@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> <8CDDF038BC344C5-1138-17B99@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Yes, And the grind # is not the same as any of the ones I have either, I would imagine Isky will make whatever you might desire, as I know one of my old boxes reads "Custom Grind". Obviously, the Kastner cams have always been THE cams to model after... tweaked a bit I suppose for personal style and financial means. (more radical = more rebuilds.) Forgive me Kas and Chas's GT6. It kills me that I haven't gotten your new book yet... Excuses, excuses... every extra dime I make GONE into my basic racing budget. The cost of racing this thing has not left over much cash to buy the book that will make me go faster and spend more money! So Chuck you have an S-9 in the new GT6, or ? This seems like a perfect moment please for one of Ya'll to enlighten the less knowledgeable about what exactly are the key numbers regarding duration and lift,, opening and closing, and all that... What will ultimately determine a cam shifting from mild to say not so mild? A "cliff notes" version, using these 2 Cams as an example (Kas S-9 and this Isky Z-66+10)? Cheers. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 4:34 PM, wrote: > > All, > > Based on the numbers in the Isky catalog, it looks like they are milder > that the original Kastner S-9. The S-9 is quite a cam and produces really > good power. I would not overlook it as an option. > > Chuck > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Ostrowski > To: Larry Young > Cc: fot > Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 2:22 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam > > Isky Cams has some specs for 6 cyl Triumph cams on the website in their > online catalog. http://www.iskycams.com/onlinecatalog.html > I have several Isky Cams that came with my car and a Crane cam as > well. Also, The extremely fast Zippy Racing GT6 uses a very old and well > maintained Isky Cam. They call Mr. Iskenderian the CAMFATHER for a reason. > For what its worth, that's two Championship winning GT6's, with long, > long race histories in SCCA and Midwestern Council... after hundreds of GT6 > race outings running up front, The Isky cams have remained in both engines > rebuild after rebuild. > Be advised... I am not an experienced engine builder, but have been rather > fanatical when it comes to studying what has been successful in GT6 race > cars. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Larry Young > wrote: > > > I could not find specs for their cams at that website. I have started a > > table of 6 cylinder cam specs, similar to the one for TR3/4 at my website. > > The problem is that most companies don't list complete specs. > > Larry Young > > www.TildenTechnologies.com > > > > > > On 5/12/2011 11:04 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: > > > >> Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. > >> http://www.deltacam.com/ > > >> Charly Mitchel > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From John.Reed at wilson.com Fri May 13 06:08:43 2011 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 07:08:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Correction on the Zippy Racing GT6+ cam. It is a Chris Beebe spec grind. Not sure where he had it ground. I can ask. Chris Beebe is a bit of a guru of British cars here in the Midwest. John Reed #69 Zippy Racing GT6+ On 5/12/11 3:52 PM, "jason ostrowski" wrote: Isky Cams has some specs for 6 cyl Triumph cams on the website in their online catalog. http://www.iskycams.com/onlinecatalog.html I have several Isky Cams that came with my car and a Crane cam as well. Also, The extremely fast Zippy Racing GT6 uses a very old and well maintained Isky Cam. They call Mr. Iskenderian the CAMFATHER for a reason. For what its worth, that's two Championship winning GT6's, with long, long race histories in SCCA and Midwestern Council... after hundreds of GT6 race outings running up front, The Isky cams have remained in both engines rebuild after rebuild. Be advised... I am not an experienced engine builder, but have been rather fanatical when it comes to studying what has been successful in GT6 race cars. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Larry Young wrote: > I could not find specs for their cams at that website. I have started a > table of 6 cylinder cam specs, similar to the one for TR3/4 at my website. > The problem is that most companies don't list complete specs. > Larry Young > www.TildenTechnologies.com > > > On 5/12/2011 11:04 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: > >> Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. >> http://www.deltacam.com/ >> Charly Mitchel >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.reed at wilson.com John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services [cid:3388115323_48686135] Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W. Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago IL 60631: USA T: 1 773.714.6895 F: 1 773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com http://www.wilson.com http://www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri May 13 07:03:37 2011 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 09:03:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Gt-6 cams Message-ID: Thanks to everyone on the cam response, sounds like we drew a good issue to talk about,I will take your ( the group) advice and run with it. It is great to get good feed back from you, as I do have a "Larry Young" and a "Erson" for my TR-4 but you don't find the GT-6s talked about much or advertised and this motor turns higher than a "six". -- rob deanes TR Racer From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 13 10:45:01 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 09:45:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gt-6 cams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As a Post Script to this thread, I will have to add that the subject of the previous long winded thread (Gareth Thomas) highly recommends the cam made for the TR6PI, for what it's worth. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Deanes Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 6:04 AM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Gt-6 cams Thanks to everyone on the cam response, sounds like we drew a good issue to talk about,I will take your ( the group) advice and run with it. It is great to get good feed back from you, as I do have a "Larry Young" and a "Erson" for my TR-4 but you don't find the GT-6s talked about much or advertised and this motor turns higher than a "six". -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From cartravel at pobox.com Fri May 13 12:52:06 2011 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 13:52:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> <8CDDF038BC344C5-1138-17B99@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DCD7DD6.6080706@pobox.com> Of course, the key numbers are what the dyno gives, but there are general trends for how the numbers affect performance. I attempt to explain some of this at my website. It is definitely not the "Cliff Notes" version though. Larry On 5/12/2011 7:01 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > This seems like a perfect moment please for one of > Ya'll to enlighten the less knowledgeable about what exactly are the > key numbers regarding duration and lift,, opening and closing, and all > that... What will ultimately determine a cam shifting from mild to say > not so mild? A "cliff notes" version, using these 2 Cams as an > example (Kas S-9 and this Isky Z-66+10)? > Cheers. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing From jason at multivintage.com Fri May 13 13:02:42 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 14:02:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: <4DCD7DD6.6080706@pobox.com> References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> <8CDDF038BC344C5-1138-17B99@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> <4DCD7DD6.6080706@pobox.com> Message-ID: Nice website, looks like I won't get much work done today...Got lots of Cam studying to do at http://www.tildentechnologies.com/ Thanks Larry. Jason FGR. On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Larry Young wrote: > Of course, the key numbers are what the dyno gives, but there are general > trends for how the numbers affect performance. I attempt to explain some of > this at my website. It is definitely not the "Cliff Notes" version though. > Larry From igofaster at att.net Fri May 13 19:59:35 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 18:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: GT6 cam, and my autopsy report In-Reply-To: References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> <8CDDF038BC344C5-1138-17B99@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <763273.47588.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Fri, May 13, 2011 2:12:30 PM Subject: GT6 cam, and my autopsy report So... Kas.... where can we get your cam and lifters? My machine shop (brother-in-law) started sending me some photos of my engine. 5 of the 6 pistons had the clip holding in wrist pins came out. 5 of the 6 piston walls have a nice deep groove in the cylinder walls. The block will have to be re-sleeved to start. Damn shame. Still, it could have been worse, nothing BROKE... So, with 146 drivers registered with CVAR next weekend and Eagles Canyon, I'll tool up in our street TR6 and hold down the 6 space slot our Triumph FoT guys have in the garage area. Steve Coleman is sponsoring a British Small Bore special event on Saturday. Apparently the grandson of THE Healey family is one of our special guests from England. So.. I'm at square one with the GT6 engine. I was running high zinc oil and the cam was already showing wear, my Ric Cline cam was paired with a set of Iski springs and may have been too strong of a spring rate. So now I'm going to find a new cam and springs from one source... Sources?? I'm also going to be shopping for new pistons.. if forged aren't too expensive I may go that route.. Sources??? If we re sleeve I can go with stock size pistons, because the way this thing is gouged I doubt 060 over is available.... Bobby Whitehead .... nice rolling chassis setting in the garage right now.... ________________________________ From ac at camoletti.ch Sat May 14 02:31:50 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 10:31:50 +0200 Subject: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters Message-ID: <000601cc1211$62c2cf60$28486e20$@camoletti.ch> Amici, The SU Carburetter Co in the UK (original manufacturer of our SU carbs) just released so called unsinkable floats, see http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ProductCategory.aspx?ParentId=277 It may be interesting. Enjoy the we and for the ones on the track, have great races! Alex Camoletti Greetings from The SU Carburetter Company, We are pleased to introduce to you a new range of 'unsinkable' floats made by StayUpR. The floats have been developed alongside the successful release of a similar design by The AMAL Carburetter Company for their motorcycle Carburetters. They are constructed from a military spec material designed for use in the warzone where a fail safe operation of floating devices is critical. The material, which is foam filled, will continue to float even when punctured and is resistant to ethanol based fuels. All floats have been designed by SU to match the original specifications of size and weight for the standard items - this ensures easy replacement and float level settings. The first to be released are the large T4 and medium T2 size floats for most H, HV and HD type Carburetters with the smaller T1 size coming soon. HS type Carburetter versions are also available now. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat May 14 02:35:13 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 10:35:13 +0200 Subject: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters In-Reply-To: <000601cc1211$62c2cf60$28486e20$@camoletti.ch> References: <000601cc1211$62c2cf60$28486e20$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <001101cc1211$dadfdd30$909f9790$@com> Hmmm.....they told something similar about the Titanic ;-) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Alexandre Camoletti Gesendet: Samstag, 14. Mai 2011 10:32 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters Amici, The SU Carburetter Co in the UK (original manufacturer of our SU carbs) just released so called unsinkable floats, see http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ProductCategory.aspx?ParentId=277 It may be interesting. Enjoy the we and for the ones on the track, have great races! Alex Camoletti Greetings from The SU Carburetter Company, We are pleased to introduce to you a new range of 'unsinkable' floats made by StayUpR. The floats have been developed alongside the successful release of a similar design by The AMAL Carburetter Company for their motorcycle Carburetters. They are constructed from a military spec material designed for use in the warzone where a fail safe operation of floating devices is critical. The material, which is foam filled, will continue to float even when punctured and is resistant to ethanol based fuels. All floats have been designed by SU to match the original specifications of size and weight for the standard items - this ensures easy replacement and float level settings. The first to be released are the large T4 and medium T2 size floats for most H, HV and HD type Carburetters with the smaller T1 size coming soon. HS type Carburetter versions are also available now. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From ac at camoletti.ch Sat May 14 03:12:44 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 11:12:44 +0200 Subject: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters In-Reply-To: <001101cc1211$dadfdd30$909f9790$@com> References: <000601cc1211$62c2cf60$28486e20$@camoletti.ch> <001101cc1211$dadfdd30$909f9790$@com> Message-ID: <000101cc1217$18f97090$4aec51b0$@camoletti.ch> At least we all remember the TITANIC! -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de MadMarx Envoyi : samedi 14 mai 2011 10:35 @ : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters Hmmm.....they told something similar about the Titanic ;-) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Alexandre Camoletti Gesendet: Samstag, 14. Mai 2011 10:32 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters Amici, The SU Carburetter Co in the UK (original manufacturer of our SU carbs) just released so called unsinkable floats, see http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ProductCategory.aspx?ParentId=277 It may be interesting. Enjoy the we and for the ones on the track, have great races! Alex Camoletti Greetings from The SU Carburetter Company, We are pleased to introduce to you a new range of 'unsinkable' floats made by StayUpR. The floats have been developed alongside the successful release of a similar design by The AMAL Carburetter Company for their motorcycle Carburetters. They are constructed from a military spec material designed for use in the warzone where a fail safe operation of floating devices is critical. The material, which is foam filled, will continue to float even when punctured and is resistant to ethanol based fuels. All floats have been designed by SU to match the original specifications of size and weight for the standard items - this ensures easy replacement and float level settings. The first to be released are the large T4 and medium T2 size floats for most H, HV and HD type Carburetters with the smaller T1 size coming soon. HS type Carburetter versions are also available now. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat May 14 03:31:07 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 19:31:07 +1000 Subject: [Fot] steering wheel boss wanted Message-ID: can anyone help me with a used factory or aftermarket steering wheel boss for a late TR6 or Spitfire 1500. I need the type that unbolts from the wheel. I dont really need the wheel. if you have an old aftermarket one, I'm chasing one that has 6 bolts on 3" PCD (common, Momo, etc). its for a racer, so horn facility not needed. any help appreciated. thanks, Terry O 'Beirne From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat May 14 08:35:56 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 09:35:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters In-Reply-To: <000601cc1211$62c2cf60$28486e20$@camoletti.ch> References: <000601cc1211$62c2cf60$28486e20$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <000001cc1244$3d1bcd10$b7536730$@com> Joe Curto here in the States has similar type of floats for the H6 carbs for $22.50 each. I've got a pair that cost about $49 including the shipping. I just looked on the Joe Curto Inc. web site and they are not shown but I had seen a "news release" in the March issue of "Classic Motorsports" magazine that they were available. I will report after we have some history of them in the car. I could not find on the SU web site any description of the T2 or T4 kits as to what carbs they were for and what was all included. Any more information on that? Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alexandre Camoletti Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:32 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters Amici, The SU Carburetter Co in the UK (original manufacturer of our SU carbs) just released so called unsinkable floats, see http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ProductCategory.aspx?ParentId=277 It may be interesting. Enjoy the we and for the ones on the track, have great races! Alex Camoletti Greetings from The SU Carburetter Company, We are pleased to introduce to you a new range of 'unsinkable' floats made by StayUpR. The floats have been developed alongside the successful release of a similar design by The AMAL Carburetter Company for their motorcycle Carburetters. They are constructed from a military spec material designed for use in the warzone where a fail safe operation of floating devices is critical. The material, which is foam filled, will continue to float even when punctured and is resistant to ethanol based fuels. All floats have been designed by SU to match the original specifications of size and weight for the standard items - this ensures easy replacement and float level settings. The first to be released are the large T4 and medium T2 size floats for most H, HV and HD type Carburetters with the smaller T1 size coming soon. HS type Carburetter versions are also available now. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sat May 14 11:48:44 2011 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 17:48:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood In-Reply-To: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1071462442.211921.1305395324470.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> prodbodies.com ----- Original Message ----- From: chasgee at aol.com To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, 9 May, 2011 11:52:05 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood Hello All, Years ago I bought a really lightweight fiberglass hood for my 1500 Spitifre from a guy in Kansas. B Thanks to the "redesign" I did at Portland, I need to replace the one I have. B Unfortunaltey, I can't find any of my old information regarding the supplier. B Does anyone know this guy or have a good source for 1500 fiberglass hoods? Thanks, Chuck Gee _______________________________________________ From ac at camoletti.ch Sat May 14 12:28:34 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 20:28:34 +0200 Subject: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters In-Reply-To: <000001cc1244$3d1bcd10$b7536730$@com> References: <000601cc1211$62c2cf60$28486e20$@camoletti.ch> <000001cc1244$3d1bcd10$b7536730$@com> Message-ID: <000801cc1264$bf844cd0$3e8ce670$@camoletti.ch> Hi Tim ! The T4 is for the H6 and the T2 is for the H4. UK logic: 4=6, 2=4 You can use a T2 in the H6 (I intend to do that) which gives you a larger fuel quantity in the chamber, given the smaller OD of the T2, hence fuel delivery to the carb is more constant under surge. A little trick from the UK Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : Tim Murphy [mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com] Envoyi : samedi 14 mai 2011 16:36 @ : 'Alexandre Camoletti'; fot at autox.team.net Objet : RE: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters Joe Curto here in the States has similar type of floats for the H6 carbs for $22.50 each. I've got a pair that cost about $49 including the shipping. I just looked on the Joe Curto Inc. web site and they are not shown but I had seen a "news release" in the March issue of "Classic Motorsports" magazine that they were available. I will report after we have some history of them in the car. I could not find on the SU web site any description of the T2 or T4 kits as to what carbs they were for and what was all included. Any more information on that? Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alexandre Camoletti Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:32 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters Amici, The SU Carburetter Co in the UK (original manufacturer of our SU carbs) just released so called unsinkable floats, see http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ProductCategory.aspx?ParentId=277 It may be interesting. Enjoy the we and for the ones on the track, have great races! Alex Camoletti Greetings from The SU Carburetter Company, We are pleased to introduce to you a new range of 'unsinkable' floats made by StayUpR. The floats have been developed alongside the successful release of a similar design by The AMAL Carburetter Company for their motorcycle Carburetters. They are constructed from a military spec material designed for use in the warzone where a fail safe operation of floating devices is critical. The material, which is foam filled, will continue to float even when punctured and is resistant to ethanol based fuels. All floats have been designed by SU to match the original specifications of size and weight for the standard items - this ensures easy replacement and float level settings. The first to be released are the large T4 and medium T2 size floats for most H, HV and HD type Carburetters with the smaller T1 size coming soon. HS type Carburetter versions are also available now. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat May 14 20:19:51 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 22:19:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1-1/4 S.U. linkage on a Spity Message-ID: A few months ago when I pulled the carbs off my Spitfire engine the linkage looked pretty straight forward. Now when I am assembling, things are a little foggy. Anybody able to email me a picture of the linkage set up between the two carbs so I can make sure I have it correct before I finish buttoning things up? Thanks, Marty From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sat May 14 21:14:31 2011 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 03:14:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] nat gas In-Reply-To: <1392409525.409282.1305429196774.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1968973462.409296.1305429271508.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Check out www.gonatgas.com B I am almost a fan of this fuel but I am not sure who to believe when it comes to the hydraulicB fracking necessary to release the gas from the shale andB howB dangerous it may be B to the water table and private wells closet to the drill site.B B B rob From chasgee at aol.com Fri May 13 09:08:50 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 11:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com><4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com><8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly><4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com><8CDDF038BC344C5-1138-17B99@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDDF96CD05B23A-1048-2C178@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> The key numbers aren't really what you find in the cam data, but what you generate on the dyno. The cam data can be used as a guideline to compare performance, but there are other variables that contribute to horsepower (obviously). I want the highest lift cam that will fit, with the appropriate duration. The S-9 cam has higher lift than most I've seen. Jerry Barker had done a lot of work on the dyno with various cam profiles including the standard Isky cams and many of his own profiles ground at Isky. The S-9 grind outperformed all of them. I had the same experience in my Spitfire and have translated that info to my GT6. We got some pretty good horsepower numbers (you'll have to get the book for more details :)). I'm no expert on this, but Jerry certainly is. It will be interesting to see what Larry can come up with once he starts playing with the 6 cylinder cams. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: chasgee Cc: cartravel ; fot Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam Yes, And the grind # is not the same as any of the ones I have either, I would imagine Isky will make whatever you might desire, as I know one of my old boxes reads "Custom Grind". Obviously, the Kastner cams have always been THE cams to model after... tweaked a bit I suppose for personal style and financial means. (more radical = more rebuilds.) Forgive me Kas and Chas's GT6. It kills me that I haven't gotten your new book yet... Excuses, excuses... every extra dime I make GONE into my basic racing budget. The cost of racing this thing has not left over much cash to buy the book that will make me go faster and spend more money! So Chuck you have an S-9 in the new GT6, or ? This seems like a perfect moment please for one of Ya'll to enlighten the less knowledgeable about what exactly are the key numbers regarding duration and lift,, opening and closing, and all that... What will ultimately determine a cam shifting from mild to say not so mild? A "cliff notes" version, using these 2 Cams as an example (Kas S-9 and this Isky Z-66+10)? Cheers. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 4:34 PM, wrote: All, Based on the numbers in the Isky catalog, it looks like they are milder that the original Kastner S-9. The S-9 is quite a cam and produces really good power. I would not overlook it as an option. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: Larry Young Cc: fot Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 2:22 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam Isky Cams has some specs for 6 cyl Triumph cams on the website in their nline catalog. http://www.iskycams.com/onlinecatalog.html have several Isky Cams that came with my car and a Crane cam as ell. Also, The extremely fast Zippy Racing GT6 uses a very old and well aintained Isky Cam. They call Mr. Iskenderian the CAMFATHER for a reason. or what its worth, that's two Championship winning GT6's, with long, ong race histories in SCCA and Midwestern Council... after hundreds of GT6 ace outings running up front, The Isky cams have remained in both engines ebuild after rebuild. e advised... I am not an experienced engine builder, but have been rather anatical when it comes to studying what has been successful in GT6 race ars. Jason Ostrowski riendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 n Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Larry Young wrote: > I could not find specs for their cams at that website. I have started a table of 6 cylinder cam specs, similar to the one for TR3/4 at my website. The problem is that most companies don't list complete specs. Larry Young www.TildenTechnologies.com On 5/12/2011 11:04 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: > Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. > http://www.deltacam.com/ > Charly Mitchel > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From sm1ski at dslextreme.com Mon May 9 20:06:18 2011 From: sm1ski at dslextreme.com (michael a kowalski) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 20:06:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood References: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> <26985264-EA68-43DF-B442-33A4A550F013@aol.com> Message-ID: <20DC70733C584DB3ACDA3ECEB30990E4@sarako> if you are considering steel alternatives like the last message, I have one with flares that is heavy like steel. but you can have it. mike kowalski 1500 FP spit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Bock" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood > Chuck > I have a steel one in good shape. Some dents but very little to no rust. > > I had looked into honeybourne in the uk and it seemed that for about $1500 > total i could get one of theirs shipped to me. > > Other than that I don't know of any other place. > > Chris > > On May 9, 2011, at 11:52 AM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> Years ago I bought a really lightweight fiberglass hood for my 1500 > Spitifre >> from a guy in Kansas. Thanks to the "redesign" I did at Portland, I need > to >> replace the one I have. Unfortunaltey, I can't find any of my old > information >> regarding the supplier. Does anyone know this guy or have a good source > for >> 1500 fiberglass hoods? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Gee >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sm1ski at dslextreme.com From atr6racer at hotmail.com Sun May 15 05:18:10 2011 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 07:18:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Small world, Sam Halkias,Little 500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jason and all, I make no bones about my mentor in racing, Wedge Rafferty is the one that got me into TR's and had I not met him I do not believe I would have ever got into road racing. Wedge and his family took me in when I was in college at BGSU in 1970. I worked part time at a American Gas station pumping gas and fixing cars. Wedge was the dealer rep for American. He notice that I was fixing all types of cars and asked me if I wanted to go to IRP and help him race his Triumph. Immediately I thought we were going drag racing as I had gone to the NHRA nationals at IRP every fall. When I pulled into Wedge's driveway there sat a school bus yellow TR4 with a roll cage, no windsheild, big fat tires and flared fenders. I still thought we were going to drag race it! Once we got to IRP Wedge unloaded the TR4 and fired it up and I think at that moment I was hooked. When I discovered the road course I knew I had to become a road racer. I helped Wedge for a couple of years and he helped me with my first TR4. I owe allot to Wedge! Wedge mentored me for many years and he is a legend in road racing from Cam Am to all sorts of road racing cars including 24 hours races. My first phone call after the win at the runoffs was to Wedge. In fact my gold medal hangs on a picture of my car in the rain at RA in a yellow school bus picture frame that Wedge painted himself and sent to me after the race. I keep in touch with him and he's still wrenching on cars! If you see him talk a look at his kit car Catterham! Thanks for sharing your story Jason! The "Wedger" as we call him, is a true hero to me! Sam > Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 17:20:03 -0500 > From: jason at multivintage.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Small world, Sam Halkias,Little 500 > > - just a bit of small town Triumph irony that made me feel big in racing - > >> > > With my race car on the trailer, word spreads fast in a small town... soon a > few of the town's racing legends were down at the local machine shop to > check out my ride. Racing is pretty big in Rensselaer. And at the top of the > heap is a fellow named Wedge Rafferty, an old time SCCA'er with > legendary endurance racing and sports car history. I have known Wedge for > over 20 years, he was a sponsor for my Go Kart teams and has great racing > "know how." I bought my first trailer from him 20 years ago. In the coarse > of bench racing chatter and B.S. with Wedge, someone who really understands > the thrill of racing, I was talking about how great this past year has been > for me racing the GT6, the coolness of FOT,meeting Kas Kastner, Racing the > Kastner Cup. etc. When I mentioned that I was racing against these great > Triumph guys....he instantly dropped the name Sam Halkias and continued to > divulge that Sam worked on his pit crew fresh out of school when, Mr. EP > Champ, was just a wee lad with a minimal interest in racing. > > I won major points with that group when I told Wedge that not only did I > see Sam win the SCCA National Championship from Canada Corner at Elkhart > Lake, I also raced against him at Heartland Park and enjoyed a few > conversations with him at our last Kastner Cup. So yeah, Team Turtle, Wedge > Rafferty...old small town college road racing hero's of > mine, apparently helped Sam Halkias get some sort of introduction to racing? > Wedge was delighted to hear that all of us somehow knew each other and the > friendship and history made a neat conection of three generations of racing. > >From Wedge Rafferty, to Sam Halkias, to me.... so, Small world eh Sam? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/atr6racer at hotmail.com From spitfiresuz at 141.com Sun May 15 08:52:13 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:52:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1.3 lb Kronospark MiKroh Battery Message-ID: <4DCFE89D.8090804@141.com> /Z7zXvI: Permission denied From spitfiresuz at 141.com Sun May 15 09:13:01 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 11:13:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1.3 lb Kronospark MiKroh Battery Message-ID: <4DCFED7D.3000209@141.com> Hey gang, The Chicagoland Sports Car Club newsletter just had an article on a tiny new battery designed for racing, the MiKroh. It is a 1.3 (yes, one point three) lb lead-acid battery that delivers 900 cranking amps at 12 volts. It's available for $225 online at www.kronospark.com and comes with a free charger and free shipping. They also have the MiKroh^2 (2.7 lbs, 1500 CA) and the LiKroh (1.2 lb, 228 PCA) batteries. Anyone have any experience with these? Losing 20-30 battery lbs and a large battery box is intriguing, but I wonder how long they hold up and how well they do with sitting idle. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From spitfiresuz at 141.com Sun May 15 09:13:20 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 11:13:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1.3 lb Kronospark MiKroh Battery Message-ID: <4DCFED90.4060109@141.com> Hey gang, The Chicagoland Sports Car Club newsletter just had an article on a tiny new battery designed for racing, the MiKroh. It is a 1.3 (yes, one point three) lb lead-acid battery that delivers 900 cranking amps at 12 volts. It's available for $225 online at www.kronospark.com and comes with a free charger and free shipping. They also have the MiKroh^2 (2.7 lbs, 1500 CA) and the LiKroh (1.2 lb, 228 PCA) batteries. Anyone have any experience with these? Losing 20-30 battery lbs and a large battery box is intriguing, but I wonder how long they hold up and how well they do with sitting idle. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From garygret at sbcglobal.net Sun May 15 13:13:13 2011 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: 1.3 lb Kronospark MiKroh Battery In-Reply-To: <4DCFED7D.3000209@141.com> References: <4DCFED7D.3000209@141.com> Message-ID: <331749.87611.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have no personal experience but for work I keep up on battery technology and it seems like a well-thought-out design. The Kronospark guy Hal Glenn has been a member of our local Madison club for years and is very knowledgeable on the chemistry. He designed and builds the batteries. I've seen the one he runs in his street car, a modified 350Z. Professional-looking package, it is only 1 ampere-hour but still has the surge current to start the car. No technology touches lead-acid for surge current. For a race car with an alternator/generator it sounds good. (My car is a loss system and 1 AH wouldn't get me through a race.) The battery is rated for 10 seconds cranking at 900A which is the same as 30 seconds at a more realistic 300A - that could be marginal for a reluctant Brit on a cold damp morning. It does require some attention: fully discharge it even once and it's toast, and it must be trickle charged between races. The website is honest about all that. It's new enough I doubt there is much actual history on longevity, but lead-acid is well-known mature technology. An FAQ refers to 300 starting cycles typically and the spec sheet says 150 cycles at 200A/5sec which is a pretty long discharge. With that small a body it obviously doesn't have the mass of lead and acid of a normal package, but those numbers are pretty realistic from an electrical engineering viewpoint. I saw nothing on the website that sounded like BS and I have a pretty well-developed BS-o-meter. NFI, just a club member I know is a sharp cookie Gary Schneider ________________________________ From: Susan Kahler To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sun, May 15, 2011 10:13:01 AM Subject: [Fot] 1.3 lb Kronospark MiKroh Battery Hey gang, The Chicagoland Sports Car Club newsletter just had an article on a tiny new battery designed for racing, the MiKroh. It is a 1.3 (yes, one point three) lb lead-acid battery that delivers 900 cranking amps at 12 volts. It's available for $225 online at www.kronospark.com and comes with a free charger and free shipping. They also have the MiKroh^2 (2.7 lbs, 1500 CA) and the LiKroh (1.2 lb, 228 PCA) batteries. Anyone have any experience with these? Losing 20-30 battery lbs and a large battery box is intriguing, but I wonder how long they hold up and how well they do with sitting idle. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Sun May 15 14:44:25 2011 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil Temp TR4 forcing me to cancel my trip to KAS cup Message-ID: <629319.83393.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Well; The good news is the engine didn't fail (pretty sure). (TR4) I am running high oil temp. Ran 3 sessions with oil temp 220, 230 and 240. Water never got above 180. Cut the filter open after the first seesion and it was totally clean. Pitted with Jeff Quick, Mark York and Charly Mitchel (TR4a, TR6, TR3) at the Sovren Spring Sprints. Mark is having some challenges as well. I am afraid I can't make the tow from Vancouver Washington knowing I have this problem with no time on track before then. I am really disapointed that I won't make my first this year. I had been running laps in my head around Laguna Seca for months now. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From billb at bnj.com Sun May 15 16:16:46 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 15:16:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil Temp TR4 forcing me to cancel my trip to KAS cup In-Reply-To: <629319.83393.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <629319.83393.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike, that's not a particularly high oil temperature, though the trend isn't good. Is you oil cooler functioning properly? On May 15, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Well; > The good news is the engine didn't fail (pretty sure). (TR4) I am > running high > oil temp. Ran 3 sessions with oil temp 220, 230 and 240. Water > never got above > 180. Cut the filter open after the first seesion and it was > totally clean. > Pitted with Jeff Quick, Mark York and Charly Mitchel (TR4a, > TR6, TR3) at the > Sovren Spring Sprints. Mark is having some challenges as > well. > > > I am afraid I can't make the tow from Vancouver Washington knowing > I have this > problem with no time on track before then. I am really > disapointed that I won't > make my first this year. I had been running laps in > my head around Laguna Seca > for months now. > > > > Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun May 15 17:01:27 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 18:01:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Temp TR4 forcing me to cancel my trip to KAS cup Message-ID: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } WOW! Is there any chance you can get back with your engine builder and maybe find a solution or if the temp is really that high. What did the temp go up to on the dyno? I was really hoping you could make it, I don't think Mark York is going either. I had a low oil pressure when I came off the track yesterday and when all the races were canceled today, I went home and pulled my oil pan and checked things. Bearings look good, I suspect the oil pump, I saw a flaw in the casing which might have allowed it to 'leak'. New bearings and a oil pump and I'll be ready. Anybody have any suggestions on tweaking a TR6 oil pump? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 On Sun 15/05/11 1:44 PM , Mike Mehl mike.mehl at yahoo.com sent: Well; The good news is the engine didn't fail (pretty sure). (TR4) I am running high oil temp. Ran 3 sessions with oil temp 220, 230 and 240. Water never got above 180. Cut the filter open after the first seesion and it was totally clean. Pitted with Jeff Quick, Mark York and Charly Mitchel (TR4a, TR6, TR3) at the Sovren Spring Sprints. Mark is having some challenges as well. I am afraid I can't make the tow from Vancouver Washington knowing I have this problem with no time on track before then. I am really disapointed that I won't make my first this year. I had been running laps in my head around Laguna Seca for months now. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [2] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [3] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [4] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [5] Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com [6] Links: ------ [2] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [3] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From billb at bnj.com Sun May 15 17:11:18 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 16:11:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil Temp TR4 forcing me to cancel my trip to KAS cup In-Reply-To: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com> References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: I'd give you the same answer I gave Mike--talk to Tony Garmey. He's really become a go-to guy for TR motors in general. On May 15, 2011, at 4:01 PM, Charly wrote: > BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } > WOW! Is there any chance you can get back with your engine builder > and maybe find a solution or if the temp is really that high. What > did the temp go up to on the dyno? I was really hoping you could make > it, I don't think Mark York is going either. > > I had a low oil pressure when I came off the track yesterday and > when all the races were canceled today, I went home and pulled my oil > pan and checked things. Bearings look good, I suspect the oil pump, I > saw a flaw in the casing which might have allowed it to 'leak'. New > bearings and a oil pump and I'll be ready. > Anybody have any suggestions on tweaking a TR6 oil pump? > Charly Mitchel > > TR6 #44 > On Sun 15/05/11 1:44 PM , Mike Mehl mike.mehl at yahoo.com sent: > Well; > The good news is the engine didn't fail (pretty sure). (TR4) I am > running high > oil temp. Ran 3 sessions with oil temp 220, 230 and 240. Water > never got above > 180. Cut the filter open after the first seesion and it was > totally clean. > Pitted with Jeff Quick, Mark York and Charly Mitchel (TR4a, > TR6, TR3) at the > Sovren Spring Sprints. Mark is having some challenges as > well. > I am afraid I can't make the tow from Vancouver Washington knowing > I have this > problem with no time on track before then. I am really > disapointed that I won't > make my first this year. I had been running laps in > my head around Laguna Seca > for months now. > Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.fot-racing.com [2] > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [3] > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [4] > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [5] > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > [6] > > > Links: > ------ > [2] > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing > .com > [3] > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 > Fdonate.html > [4] > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 > Farchive > [5] > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 > Fforums > [6] > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net > %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From budscars at comcast.net Sun May 15 18:08:21 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 17:08:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr6 fiberglass hood & fenders Message-ID: I seem to recall someone looking for a TR6 glass hood..here's a Craigs list link to hood and fenders..San Francisco Bay area. RB http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/2376231157.html From billb at bnj.com Sun May 15 20:54:14 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 19:54:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil Temp TR4 forcing me to cancel my trip to KAS cup In-Reply-To: <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com> <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <31922E3B-3EA0-47B7-936D-30A99F2DC48A@bnj.com> I'm not sure why you are concerned about this oil temperature, I'd consider it pretty ideal. I thought I might be out of date with those ideas since they come mostly from my motorcycle racing days, but I did a little googling. Most of the oil manufacturers say that anything under 270 is acceptable for racing, under 260F is good. The viscosity of modern oils drops a little from 210 to 260, but the precipitous drop is after 270. Some components of the oil also start to break down at 270-280, but it's a relatively slow process. With the frequency of oil changes that racers employ it's not really a problem. I happened to be swapping email with a friend who races a Z06 in SCCA, she says they're really happy with anything under 280 but often see 290 at the end of tough races. Of course it's your choice what you do with your car, but I think you're fine for oil temperature--I'd be completely happy with 260 for oil temp in Peyote--happens some times. Mostly it's 250 in long races on hot days and in the spring and fall it's 220 and start thinking about duct tape. I don't really think I need an oil cooler. Some day we'll probably yank it off and save a few pounds and one more thing that can leak or fail. On May 15, 2011, at 6:04 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Bill > I had a good talk with Tony at the track. I am going to try ducting the oil cooler and move it close to the front valance. I did get a note from Kas telling me they ran thoses temps all the time back in the day. If ducting takes the temp down 25 degrees I should be good. > > I will run the Sovren July 4th race. > > Thanks Bill > > Mike From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 16 00:33:27 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 08:33:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Oil Temp TR4 forcing me to cancel my trip to KAS cup In-Reply-To: <629319.83393.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <629319.83393.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001cc1393$2bb479f0$831d6dd0$@com> I don't run an oil gauge at my car. One thing less to worry about: "If oil pressure drops - bullshit stops!" Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mike Mehl Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. Mai 2011 22:44 An: Triumph Friends of Betreff: [Fot] Oil Temp TR4 forcing me to cancel my trip to KAS cup Well; The good news is the engine didn't fail (pretty sure). (TR4) I am running high oil temp. Ran 3 sessions with oil temp 220, 230 and 240. Water never got above 180. Cut the filter open after the first seesion and it was totally clean. Pitted with Jeff Quick, Mark York and Charly Mitchel (TR4a, TR6, TR3) at the Sovren Spring Sprints. Mark is having some challenges as well. I am afraid I can't make the tow from Vancouver Washington knowing I have this problem with no time on track before then. I am really disapointed that I won't make my first this year. I had been running laps in my head around Laguna Seca for months now. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Mon May 16 06:39:04 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 08:39:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] More swag? Message-ID: Amici I am doing this for something else but I can easily do it for the FOT. I am talking about a 2 foot x 3 foot (maybe 3x4). Flag with the FOT crest. The price is in the 20-40 buck range. If i get enough interest I will get a mire exact price. I am still talking to a few companies. I did the badges and they came out well. I think I can do this aswell Chris Ps. Happy Monday From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 16 07:26:24 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 09:26:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] More swag? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDE1E3FD12D89A-F4C-8390@angweb-usm005.sysops.aol.com> I would be in for this. It was done once before. However, the size of the 'crest' seemed small in proportion to the size of the flag. Go for it. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: FoTTriumph Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 7:39 am Subject: [Fot] More swag? Amici I am doing this for something else but I can easily do it for the FOT. I am talking about a 2 foot x 3 foot (maybe 3x4). Flag with the FOT crest. The price is in the 20-40 buck range. If i get enough interest I will get a mire exact price. I am still talking to a few companies. I did the badges and they came out well. I think I can do this aswell Chris Ps. Happy Monday _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 16 07:42:27 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 09:42:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Thanks! Volunteerism in the FOT Message-ID: <8CDE1E63A9632A4-F4C-8CBF@angweb-usm005.sysops.aol.com> One of the things that has allowed the FOT flourish without a formal organization is the voluntary actions of several folks. EVENT SHIRTS DECALS BADGES ARTICLES HOSTING DONATIONS FLAGS ARTWORK PHOTOGRAPHY PUBLIC RELATIONS KASTNER CUP EVENTS SPEAKERS DINNERS ETC. Though not all list members are credentialed racers, most members have made contributions to the FOT that allow us to thrive. If you add up all of the activities, the time and effort has been enormous. Then you add in the friendships and all of the folks joining us in the paddock with support. VERY IMPRESSIVE! If we lose this kind of support, we have nothing. THANKS! = From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 16 07:53:33 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 07:53:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What fun. Message-ID: <4DD12C5D.6000405@bradakis.com> Mailman is acting up, some lists are working, like this one, some are not working, like the big Triumph list. I'm home sick today, maybe my stuffy, aching head will be able to muddle through and fix it rather than do more damage. mjb. From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon May 16 07:58:38 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 09:58:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] fender Message-ID: After an exciting moment in the rain at turn 3 at Summit Point I find that I have a need for a right rear fender for my TR3A. Does anyone know of a fender which might be avaliable?????? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon May 16 07:59:16 2011 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 06:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] More swag? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <608989.3107.qm@web80805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I, too, would be interested in a flag. ----- Original Message ---- From: Christopher Bock To: FoTTriumph Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 8:39:04 AM Subject: [Fot] More swag? Amici I am doing this for something else but I can easily do it for the FOT. I am talking about a 2 foot x 3 foot (maybe 3x4). Flag with the FOT crest. The price is in the 20-40 buck range. If i get enough interest I will get a mire exact price. I am still talking to a few companies. I did the badges and they came out well. I think I can do this aswell Chris Ps. Happy Monday _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From BillDentin at aol.com Mon May 16 08:29:49 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:29:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... Message-ID: <1cf42.22f29a80.3b028edd@aol.com> Amici... The seven year old racing radiator in Bob Wismer's TR4 (my racing partner) has a non reparable core failure. He needs to replace it. Bob is not on the FOT list. I think the finance company repossessed his computer. Anyway, he asked me if I would check and see if anyone can recommend a good replacement and a source? Bill Dentinger From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon May 16 08:38:19 2011 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:38:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 54, Issue 27 Message-ID: "A few months ago when I pulled the carbs off my Spitfire engine the linkage" Marty, try the Rimmer Bros site, they have exploded views of the carb linkages http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/ItemList--Triumph-Spitfire-Fuel-System--m-196 mike G. Michael Harmuth From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 16 09:35:58 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 15:35:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... In-Reply-To: <1cf42.22f29a80.3b028edd@aol.com> Message-ID: <1760193306.96739.1305560158142.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I use the Griffin radiator. I think it was for a mustang andB real good price as I recall. It has to be canted to fit but cooling has never been an issue with it. I can send pictures if you want. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:29:49 AM Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... Amici... The seven year old racing radiator in Bob Wismer's TR4 (my racing partner) has a non reparable core failure. B He needs to replace it. B Bob is not on the FOT list. B I think the finance company repossessed his computer. B Anyway, he asked me if I would check and see if anyone can recommend a good replacement and a source? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From BillDentin at aol.com Mon May 16 09:41:30 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 11:41:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... Message-ID: Amici... Anyone have a report on last week end's vintage event at Road America? My grand daughter's graduation from North Dakota State prevented me from being there. It is the first one I ever missed. The weather was rather cool, and wet on Saturday. Pity, as the week prior was actually balmy, lots of sun and temperatures in the 70s and 80s. Bill Dentinger From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 16 09:54:28 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 11:54:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... In-Reply-To: <1760193306.96739.1305560158142.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CDE1F8AC51FB7D-F4C-D151@angweb-usm005.sysops.aol.com> i have heard rumors of this choice. i would like to hear more. maybe FOT Jerry Van Vlack could shed some light on this. he is in the radiator distribution business. joe -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 10:35 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... I use the Griffin radiator. I think it was for a mustang andB real good price as I recall. It has to be canted to fit but cooling has never been an issue with it. I can send pictures if you want. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:29:49 AM Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... Amici... The seven year old racing radiator in Bob Wismer's TR4 (my racing partner) has a non reparable core failure. B He needs to replace it. B Bob is not on the FOT list. B I think the finance company repossessed his computer. B Anyway, he asked me if I would check and see if anyone can recommend a good replacement and a source? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From limeyv8 at aol.com Mon May 16 11:27:34 2011 From: limeyv8 at aol.com (Jack McGahey) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 13:27:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] More swag? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B3776CF-710B-4159-9E9E-C652D74E9D4B@aol.com> I'm in Jack Mc Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Christopher Bock wrote: > Amici > > I am doing this for something else but I can easily do it for the FOT. > > I am talking about a 2 foot x 3 foot (maybe 3x4). Flag with the FOT crest. > The price is in the 20-40 buck range. > > If i get enough interest I will get a mire exact price. I am still talking to > a few companies. > > I did the badges and they came out well. I think I can do this aswell > > Chris > > Ps. Happy Monday > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon May 16 11:50:14 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:50:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... In-Reply-To: <1cf42.22f29a80.3b028edd@aol.com> References: <1cf42.22f29a80.3b028edd@aol.com> Message-ID: <000501cc13f1$b69b7830$23d26890$@com> If he's looking for an aluminum one I recommend Wizard Cooling at www.wizardcooling.com. We have one of their radiators and are very pleased with it. We have never had overheating problems, including last August at Topeka where it was in the mid to high 90's. Ours was the "prototype" for the early TR4 design but without the crank hole. They do have others of the later TR4 designs. I have the name of the fella we worked with somewhere in my files if he's interested. If he wants to keep the original style steel radiator he can take it to a good radiator shop and they can get a new core and solder it to his old tanks. That is what I did for my street TR5 and it worked out really good. The new core is much better at cooling than the original as it is a more modern design and as I recall has more rows. Wasn't real costly either, quite a bit less than an aluminum one. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:30 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... Amici... The seven year old racing radiator in Bob Wismer's TR4 (my racing partner) has a non reparable core failure. He needs to replace it. Bob is not on the FOT list. I think the finance company repossessed his computer. Anyway, he asked me if I would check and see if anyone can recommend a good replacement and a source? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From jkhagen at charter.net Mon May 16 11:57:44 2011 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 13:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... Message-ID: Friends, {Bill} Only two Tr's Tony Drews and John Hagen [4's] Cool drizzel Fri/Sat cool dry Sun-\ Tony's hot rod was fast as ususal. My "new" 4 ran in the 3:20's in the fog and ran --got it sorted out best time 3:10 Sunday Not to bad for a heavy war horse last raced 1977! Engine was built in '76--a little under powered but held together all week end. A few brave TR fans showed up and cheered us on. The "Tech" crew got a big kick out of my worn out log book from the late '60s and '70s!! My MG buddies would not talk to me they say I have gone to the dark side. John Hagen On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:41 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Anyone have a report on last week end's vintage event at Road America? > My grand daughter's graduation from North Dakota State prevented me > from being there. It is the first one I ever missed. > > The weather was rather cool, and wet on Saturday. Pity, as the week > prior was actually balmy, lots of sun and temperatures in the 70s and > 80s. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From jason at multivintage.com Mon May 16 12:10:56 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:10:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Welcome to the dark side! Nice job bringing that baby back from the dead. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: jkhagen at charter.net Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 13:57:44 To: Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... Friends, {Bill} Only two Tr's Tony Drews and John Hagen [4's] Cool drizzel Fri/Sat cool dry Sun-\ Tony's hot rod was fast as ususal. My "new" 4 ran in the 3:20's in the fog and ran --got it sorted out best time 3:10 Sunday Not to bad for a heavy war horse last raced 1977! Engine was built in '76--a little under powered but held together all week end. A few brave TR fans showed up and cheered us on. The "Tech" crew got a big kick out of my worn out log book from the late '60s and '70s!! My MG buddies would not talk to me they say I have gone to the dark side. John Hagen On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:41 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Anyone have a report on last week end's vintage event at Road America? > My grand daughter's graduation from North Dakota State prevented me > from being there. It is the first one I ever missed. > > The weather was rather cool, and wet on Saturday. Pity, as the week > prior was actually balmy, lots of sun and temperatures in the 70s and > 80s. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 16 14:52:33 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:52:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Just wondering Message-ID: <4DD18E91.3040401@bradakis.com> Still having server issues. mjb. From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon May 16 15:57:42 2011 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:57:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... References: <8CDE1F8AC51FB7D-F4C-D151@angweb-usm005.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Joe and others. We do not get any discount on aluminum radiators from Wizard or Griffin that I am aware of but I'd be happy to check with them to see. I've heard about a Mustang radiator that some have used but I don't have the specs on which one is used. Also I don't have any information on what needs done to get them mounted. As I walk around the Pits I see a number of good solutions that folks have devised. My suggestion would be to ask fellow racers what they used. No need to re-invent something that is working. If someone would like to send me some details on size and or year and engine size of the Mustang I can drill something down. No promises but I'd be happy to try. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... > i have heard rumors of this choice. > > i would like to hear more. > > maybe FOT Jerry Van Vlack could shed some light on this. > > he is in the radiator distribution business. > > joe > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 10:35 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... > > > I use the Griffin radiator. I think it was for a mustang andB real good > price > as I recall. > > It has to be canted to fit but cooling has never been an issue with it. > > I can send pictures if you want. > > > > > > Jim G. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BillDentin at aol.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:29:49 AM > Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... > > Amici... > > The seven year old racing radiator in Bob Wismer's TR4 (my racing partner) > has a non reparable core failure. B He needs to replace it. B > > Bob is not on the FOT list. B I think the finance company repossessed his > computer. B Anyway, he asked me if I would check and see if anyone can > recommend a good replacement and a source? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From billb at bnj.com Mon May 16 17:41:24 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 16:41:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bad Knee News In-Reply-To: References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com>, , <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <31922E3B-3EA0-47B7-936D-30A99F2DC48A@bnj.com> Message-ID: I guess it depends on your definition of bad. The Doc said my knee is coming along just fine and should be 100 percent--if I don't screw it up before it heals. The good news is that they were able to repair the meniscus instead of cutting it away. The bad news is that it takes much longer for that to heal--like a couple of months. He basically said racing in July should be fine, in June--no. So I'm out for the HMSA Laguna FOT race and Buttonwillow. Should be OK for the Northwest Historics if I don't screw anything up. Tony, no need to bring Peyote to Portland, the next time I'll need it will be at Pacific. See you then. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon May 16 17:48:32 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:48:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bad Knee News In-Reply-To: References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com>, , <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <31922E3B-3EA0-47B7-936D-30A99F2DC48A@bnj.com> Message-ID: <001601cc1423$c565b650$503122f0$@com> Sorry to hear the bad news. I had arthroscopic knee surgery a couple of years ago and when I mentioned to the doctor that it seemed to be taking an awfully long time to heal seeing as how some of the football players have that type of surgery and are back on the field in a week or two, he not so subtly told me that I'm not 25 years old and in prime physical condition and that just may make a difference! It sure did, took months to heal up. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:41 PM To: Tony and Annie Garmey Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] Bad Knee News I guess it depends on your definition of bad. The Doc said my knee is coming along just fine and should be 100 percent--if I don't screw it up before it heals. The good news is that they were able to repair the meniscus instead of cutting it away. The bad news is that it takes much longer for that to heal--like a couple of months. He basically said racing in July should be fine, in June--no. So I'm out for the HMSA Laguna FOT race and Buttonwillow. Should be OK for the Northwest Historics if I don't screw anything up. Tony, no need to bring Peyote to Portland, the next time I'll need it will be at Pacific. See you then. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From billb at bnj.com Mon May 16 17:51:33 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 16:51:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bad Knee News In-Reply-To: <001601cc1423$c565b650$503122f0$@com> References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com>, , <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <31922E3B-3EA0-47B7-936D-30A99F2DC48A@bnj.com> <001601cc1423$c565b650$503122f0$@com> Message-ID: <07C8C833-CE63-4EEB-983F-D84881A71D67@bnj.com> I more or less asked the same question, the doc said "there are repairs we can do that will work for years and repairs we can do that work for a season." On May 16, 2011, at 4:48 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > Sorry to hear the bad news. I had arthroscopic knee surgery a couple of > years ago and when I mentioned to the doctor that it seemed to be taking an > awfully long time to heal seeing as how some of the football players have > that type of surgery and are back on the field in a week or two, he not so > subtly told me that I'm not 25 years old and in prime physical condition and > that just may make a difference! It sure did, took months to heal up. > > Tim Murphy > 1961 TR4 #317 From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Mon May 16 18:07:36 2011 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:07:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bad Kas Cup News [for me] In-Reply-To: <001601cc1423$c565b650$503122f0$@com> References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com>, , <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <31922E3B-3EA0-47B7-936D-30A99F2DC48A@bnj.com> <001601cc1423$c565b650$503122f0$@com> Message-ID: Sorry to say that I've heard more bad news than good regarding Laguna Seca. As much as it pains me, I ain't gunna' make it either. A $5k race just isn't in my immediate future. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On May 16, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > Sorry to hear the bad news. I had arthroscopic knee surgery a > couple of > years ago and when I mentioned to the doctor that it seemed to be > taking an > awfully long time to heal seeing as how some of the football > players have > that type of surgery and are back on the field in a week or two, he > not so > subtly told me that I'm not 25 years old and in prime physical > condition and > that just may make a difference! It sure did, took months to heal up. > > Tim Murphy > 1961 TR4 #317 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:41 PM > To: Tony and Annie Garmey > Cc: Triumph Friends of > Subject: [Fot] Bad Knee News > > I guess it depends on your definition of bad. The Doc said my knee > is coming > along just fine and should be 100 percent--if I don't screw it up > before it > heals. The good news is that they were able to repair the meniscus > instead > of > cutting it away. The bad news is that it takes much longer for that to > heal--like a couple of months. He basically said racing in July > should be > fine, in June--no. > > So I'm out for the HMSA Laguna FOT race and Buttonwillow. Should be > OK for > the > Northwest Historics if I don't screw anything up. > > Tony, no need to bring Peyote to Portland, the next time I'll need > it will > be > at Pacific. See you then. > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From gasket.works at verizon.net Mon May 16 19:43:11 2011 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:43:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... Message-ID: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> HMSA will email to each entrant (about 15 cars entered so far). prelim notification. Cris tells me that this will happen tonight. Other accompanying documentation later. This is is such a cool track. Just love the downhill after the Corkscrew. My engine and gearbox still out of the car.. but, hope to get them in this weekend.... I purchased two Go pro cameras and will try to get them synched for some great vids in 1080p and 3d! M M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph1 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax GMT-8 Pacific From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 16 19:49:22 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 19:49:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... In-Reply-To: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> References: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: <4DD1D422.4030607@bradakis.com> Cool. I am going to try making it this time, hopefully no near death experiences will get in my way. Yikes, I better get my hotel reservation made. mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Mon May 16 20:06:52 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 19:06:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... References: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: <8F669616505849FB8A11198B86C396AB@Bud> A neat thing to check out at Laguna Seca....Turns 2 & 3 of the original track layout(1.9 miles) are still visible.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MORDY DUNST" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:43 PM Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... > HMSA will email to each entrant (about 15 cars entered so far). prelim > notification. Cris tells me that this will happen tonight. Other > accompanying documentation later. > > This is is such a cool track. Just love the downhill after the Corkscrew. > > My engine and gearbox still out of the car.. but, hope to get them in this > weekend.... I purchased two Go pro cameras and will try to get them > synched > for some great vids in 1080p and 3d! > > M > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > www.Headgasket.com > 626.358.1616 ph1 > 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > > Triple R Munitions, Inc. > Class 6 Certified F.F.L. > 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > GMT-8 Pacific > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon May 16 21:30:51 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 20:30:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] More swag? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DD1EBEB.6020001@comcast.net> I'd go for one of these as well. On 5/16/2011 5:39 AM, Christopher Bock wrote: > Amici > > I am doing this for something else but I can easily do it for the FOT. > > I am talking about a 2 foot x 3 foot (maybe 3x4). Flag with the FOT crest. > The price is in the 20-40 buck range. > > If i get enough interest I will get a mire exact price. I am still talking to > a few companies. > > I did the badges and they came out well. I think I can do this aswell > > Chris > > Ps. Happy Monday > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 16 22:50:59 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 23:50:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110517045110.C4FF218764E@autox.team.net> 'twas cold all weekend. Friday was Foggy and delayed us almost an hour for the start. I think they gave up on the fog lifting and just sent us out hoping for the best. We all tippy toed around and eventually decided that there was decent traction, but the session ended so they could try to get caught up. The 12:30 session was the same kinda deal - made it down into the high 2:50's (like 2:57) for that session putting me 12th in the group. Saturday was misting so the track was in varying stages of wet, but there wasn't enough water in the air to soak the drivers suit, just to keep the visibility through the visor iffy. Didn't set any track records in the timed practice, so started 12th in the qualifying race Saturday afternoon. I had mounted new Speedsters at the beginning of the weekend and that started to look like a wise thing to do. I found the "rain line" to work quite well. I passed several cars on the front straight at the start, dove 3 wide into turn 1 and had a blast. I kept passing the next guy, watched one or two spin out in front of me and worked my way up to 4th chasing down a black 356. I worried him in the corners enough that he ran wide going onto the front straight. I ended the race in 3rd and was catching the leaders (although I'm sure they backed off due to conditions). Sunday was dry but 49 degrees and 30 mph winds. They re-gridded us based on best times so I started 12th again. Worked my way up to 8th - ended up running by myself though. Ended up with a mid 2:54 as my best lap. The Saturday race was particularly satisfying - I felt like a Hero in that one - ON THE EDGE but at 75% of the normal speed. Got to meet John Hagen and the new to him TR-4. Nice looking car - he's obviously spent quite a bit of time on it. Saw him pulling it on the trailer on Sunday - decent outing for a first time out, neat guy, great addition to our group. Tony Drews At 10:41 AM 5/16/2011, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >Amici... > >Anyone have a report on last week end's vintage event at Road America? > >My grand daughter's graduation from North Dakota State prevented me from >being there. It is the first one I ever missed. > >The weather was rather cool, and wet on Saturday. Pity, as the week prior >was actually balmy, lots of sun and temperatures in the 70s and 80s. > >Bill Dentinger >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 16 23:39:16 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 00:39:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... In-Reply-To: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> References: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: <20110517053921.DDCFA18764F@autox.team.net> I did receive my confirmation e-mail from Chris today. Can't wait! Tony Drews At 08:43 PM 5/16/2011, MORDY DUNST wrote: >HMSA will email to each entrant (about 15 cars entered so far). prelim >notification. Cris tells me that this will happen tonight. Other >accompanying documentation later. > > This is is such a cool track. Just love the downhill after the Corkscrew. > >My engine and gearbox still out of the car.. but, hope to get them in this >weekend.... I purchased two Go pro cameras and will try to get them synched >for some great vids in 1080p and 3d! > >M > >M.N.Dunst >Gasket Works USA, LLC >www.Headgasket.com >626.358.1616 ph1 >626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT >626.628.3777 fax > >Triple R Munitions, Inc. >Class 6 Certified F.F.L. >626.201.9471 ph/TEXT >626.628.3777 fax >GMT-8 Pacific From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Tue May 17 01:48:17 2011 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 03:48:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... In-Reply-To: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> References: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: <001601cc1466$c9046570$5b0d3050$@rr.com> Mordy, I have just one of the Go-Pro cameras and have problems with it shutting down during a session. I emailed the company and they told me it was vibration(???) I am using all their mountings including their rollbar mount. Had the same problem at VIR and also at Summit Point. I'll be back in touch with them shortly to see what their comment is. The picture and sound is exceptional, I just wish I could get a full session to record. I'm recording at 720 resolution (#2) and have a 32gig Kingston SD card in it. I'm nowhere close to filling the card and in fact it stopped after recording only a few meg worth at Summit Point last weekend. Frustrating. I'll keep you in the loop. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MORDY DUNST Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:43 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... HMSA will email to each entrant (about 15 cars entered so far). prelim notification. Cris tells me that this will happen tonight. Other accompanying documentation later. This is is such a cool track. Just love the downhill after the Corkscrew. My engine and gearbox still out of the car.. but, hope to get them in this weekend.... I purchased two Go pro cameras and will try to get them synched for some great vids in 1080p and 3d! M M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph1 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax GMT-8 Pacific _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue May 17 07:21:36 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 08:21:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bad Kas Cup News [for me] In-Reply-To: References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com>, , <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <31922E3B-3EA0-47B7-936D-30A99F2DC48A@bnj.com> <001601cc1423$c565b650$503122f0$@com> Message-ID: It's just too far away for me in these lean times. I'm 1,700 miles away. Fuel alone for the tow would be around $1600.00. Adding in hotels and the entry fee and that number doubles before we start counting all the other stuff. I really want to go but I can't justify it. Woe is me :) Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 7:08 PM To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] Bad Kas Cup News [for me] Sorry to say that I've heard more bad news than good regarding Laguna Seca. As much as it pains me, I ain't gunna' make it either. A $5k race just isn't in my immediate future. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On May 16, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > Sorry to hear the bad news. I had arthroscopic knee surgery a > couple of > years ago and when I mentioned to the doctor that it seemed to be > taking an > awfully long time to heal seeing as how some of the football > players have > that type of surgery and are back on the field in a week or two, he > not so > subtly told me that I'm not 25 years old and in prime physical > condition and > that just may make a difference! It sure did, took months to heal up. > > Tim Murphy > 1961 TR4 #317 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:41 PM > To: Tony and Annie Garmey > Cc: Triumph Friends of > Subject: [Fot] Bad Knee News > > I guess it depends on your definition of bad. The Doc said my knee > is coming > along just fine and should be 100 percent--if I don't screw it up > before it > heals. The good news is that they were able to repair the meniscus > instead > of > cutting it away. The bad news is that it takes much longer for that to > heal--like a couple of months. He basically said racing in July > should be > fine, in June--no. > > So I'm out for the HMSA Laguna FOT race and Buttonwillow. Should be > OK for > the > Northwest Historics if I don't screw anything up. > > Tony, no need to bring Peyote to Portland, the next time I'll need > it will > be > at Pacific. See you then. > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 17 08:43:19 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 14:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... In-Reply-To: <1257747988.143306.1305643090449.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1208636787.143547.1305643399183.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I had the same trouble with mine, more than once. It shut down with two laps to go at the K-Cup race last year. It annoyed me to the point I bought a chase cam. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "MORDY DUNST" , fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:48:17 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... Mordy, I have just one of the Go-Pro cameras and have problems with it shutting down during a session. I emailed the company and they told me it was vibration(???) I am using all their mountings including their rollbar mount. Had the same problem at VIR and also at Summit Point. I'll be back in touch with them shortly to see what their comment is. The picture and sound is exceptional, I just wish I could get a full session to record. I'm recording at 720 resolution (#2) and have a 32gig Kingston SD card in it. I'm nowhere close to filling the card and in fact it stopped after recording only a few meg worth at Summit Point last weekend. Frustrating. I'll keep you in the loop. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MORDY DUNST Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:43 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... HMSA will email to each entrant (about 15 cars entered so far). prelim notification. B Cris tells me that this will happen tonight. B Other accompanying documentation later. B This is is such a cool track. B Just love the downhill after the Corkscrew. My engine and gearbox still out of the car.. but, hope to get them in this weekend.... B I purchased two Go pro cameras and will try to get them synched for some great vids in 1080p and 3d! M M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph1 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 B Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax GMT-8 Pacific _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue May 17 08:48:57 2011 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 08:48:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Free food and rest stop in Albuqueruque for Kastner cup travelers Message-ID: I'll put you up just 2 miles off I-40 in Cedar Crest, NM and feed you near Albuquerque if it helps anyone get to the event. We have a fairly private guest room with TV and bathroom and have. Come stop, eat, sleep and leave, I have leached off others on the list more than my fair share and wold be thrilled to help someone get to the event. (The downside might be listening to my endless BS). Cheers Henry Morrison, Near Albuquerque From andre at gt6.ca Tue May 17 08:50:57 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:50:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... In-Reply-To: <1208636787.143547.1305643399183.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1257747988.143306.1305643090449.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1208636787.143547.1305643399183.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I'm not using their mount, but not tested it under race conditions. http://124racer.com/gallery/11/0505_GoPro_960/slides/IMG_2022.html http://124racer.com/gallery/11/0509_Accusump/slides/IMG_2045.html I used the mount last year. Manfrotto Super clamp with a quick release on a Sony POV camera. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVI3VLXH9TA&feature=player_embedded So the GoPro will be interesting. What back have you been running with? I did a test and did not like the full back audio. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYaxtxok6ak&feature=player_embedded A. On 17 May 2011 10:43, wrote: > I had the same trouble with mine, more than once. It shut down with two laps > to go at the > > K-Cup race last year. It annoyed me to the point I bought a chase cam. > > > > > > jim g > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Spitfire Racing" > To: "MORDY DUNST" , fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:48:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... > > Mordy, > I have just one of the Go-Pro cameras and have problems with it shutting > down during a session. I emailed the company and they told me it was > vibration(???) I am using all their mountings including their rollbar mount. > Had the same problem at VIR and also at Summit Point. I'll be back in touch > with them shortly to see what their comment is. The picture and sound is > exceptional, I just wish I could get a full session to record. I'm recording > at 720 resolution (#2) and have a 32gig Kingston SD card in it. I'm nowhere > close to filling the card and in fact it stopped after recording only a few > meg worth at Summit Point last weekend. Frustrating. I'll keep you in the > loop. > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MORDY DUNST > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:43 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... > > HMSA will email to each entrant (about 15 cars entered so far). prelim > notification. B Cris tells me that this will happen tonight. B Other > accompanying documentation later. > > B This is is such a cool track. B Just love the downhill after the Corkscrew. > > My engine and gearbox still out of the car.. but, hope to get them in this > weekend.... B I purchased two Go pro cameras and will try to get them > synched > for some great vids in 1080p and 3d! > > M > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > www.Headgasket.com > 626.358.1616 ph1 > 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > > Triple R Munitions, Inc. > Class 6 B Certified F.F.L. > 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > GMT-8 Pacific > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 17 08:59:12 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 14:59:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing in Hastings NE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1388132022.144256.1305644352012.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT Heartland Vintage Racing is co-sponsoring our annual RMVR event at Hastings NE. this year. Anyway, since I can't afford the trip to Monterey this year I'm going to shoot for Hastings. It's the first weekend in September. I've never been to Hastings but everyone I know says it's a blast & they have all kinds of non-racing things going on too. This may be a second chance for some of us that can't make the K-Cup. Here are some linksB B B http://www.racemph.com/ B B B B B B B B http://rmvr.com/ Jim g From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue May 17 09:23:51 2011 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 11:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] metalurgy question Message-ID: Hi, I'm fettling a Falcon SS header for one of my TR6's. The installation pretty much requires that you make some reliefs in the downpipe so that you can install the hold-downs. No surprises there. Now, although I've been using an oxy-acetylene torch for 15 years, I've never actually trained on it's use, so I'm on new ground owing to the material - 304 stainless. I heated the tube area where it's to be relieved so that it's bright red. I then hammered the tube with various types of hammers to get the general shape I want. Again, no big deal. The issue / question is: when the tube cools down, it has a fairly rough texture to it. It's sort of grey-ish. I'm thinking that I may have overheated the surface and / or had the flame a tad (or extremely) on the "oxidizing" side if things. So, assuming that I was closer to "welding" than just reshaping, is it possible to bring the surface back to something that looks like tubing from the tube factory or should I just leave well enough alone? The eventual goal is to ceramic coat the header, if that has an bearing on the topic. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From riverside at southslope.net Tue May 17 09:28:05 2011 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:28:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bad Knee News In-Reply-To: <07C8C833-CE63-4EEB-983F-D84881A71D67@bnj.com> References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com>, , <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <31922E3B-3EA0-47B7-936D-30A99F2DC48A@bnj.com> <001601cc1423$c565b650$503122f0$@com> <07C8C833-CE63-4EEB-983F-D84881A71D67@bnj.com> Message-ID: <6F9AB413176A476CAA20A1985D418D35@rileyPC> I had the right knee done 3 years ago and the left one is due next month. As my doctor explained the proceedure to me, he said that for young athletes, they did a very nic and tidy tuck and repair, but for old farts like me, they just snipped off the offending part and threw it away. I told him I was glad he was not my urologist. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:51 PM To: Tim Murphy Cc: 'Triumph Friends of' Subject: Re: [Fot] Bad Knee News I more or less asked the same question, the doc said "there are repairs we can do that will work for years and repairs we can do that work for a season." On May 16, 2011, at 4:48 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > Sorry to hear the bad news. I had arthroscopic knee surgery a couple of > years ago and when I mentioned to the doctor that it seemed to be taking > an > awfully long time to heal seeing as how some of the football players have > that type of surgery and are back on the field in a week or two, he not so > subtly told me that I'm not 25 years old and in prime physical condition and > that just may make a difference! It sure did, took months to heal up. > > Tim Murphy > 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 17 09:29:07 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 11:29:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing in Hastings NE RMVR & HVR CO-SPONSORS In-Reply-To: <1388132022.144256.1305644352012.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CDE2BE4C0D815A-ECC-1B450@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Jim, Presently we plan to be there. Seems like a good payback to be there, after all of the support we got from RMVR at last year's KCUP. Country Club track with nice facilities....I stopped by once to view the track. At the end of the day, it's the people that count.....should be pretty mellow. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Sent: Tue, May 17, 2011 9:59 am Subject: [Fot] Racing in Hastings NE FoT Heartland Vintage Racing is co-sponsoring our annual RMVR event at Hastings NE. this year. Anyway, since I can't afford the trip to Monterey this year I'm going to shoot for Hastings. It's the first weekend in September. I've never been to Hastings but everyone I know says it's a blast & they have all kinds of non-racing things going on too. This may be a second chance for some of us that can't make the K-Cup. Here are some linksB B B http://www.racemph.com/ B B B B B B B B http://rmvr.com/ Jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 17 09:43:19 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 15:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] metalurgy question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1800487180.146868.1305646999291.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> The texture you describe is called mill scale. It will come off with a sanding block & 180 grit or even a soft wheel on a 4" grinder but you need to be carefull with that and use as fine a grit as you can find with the grinder. Then you can dress it down as shiny as you want with 240, 320, 400 etc. I assume there is a bit of a divit which will require some sanding without the block. For heating metal with a torch you want to use a rose bud tip. A rose bud isn't as concentrated as a cutting tip. You should be able to reach inside the tube with a porting tool and conical emery cloth tips to get that as well. Jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 9:23:51 AM Subject: [Fot] metalurgy question Hi, I'm fettling a Falcon SS header for one of my TR6's. The installation pretty much requires that you make some reliefs in the downpipe so that you can install the hold-downs. No surprises there. Now, although I've been using an oxy-acetylene torch for 15 years, I've never actually trained on it's use, so I'm on new ground owing to the material - 304 stainless. I heated the tube area where it's to be relieved so that it's bright red. I then hammered the tube with various types of hammers to get the general shape I want. Again, no big deal. The issue / question is: when the tube cools down, it has a fairly rough texture to it. It's sort of grey-ish. I'm thinking that I may have overheated the surface and / or had the flame a tad (or extremely) on the "oxidizing" side if things. So, assuming that I was closer to "welding" than just reshaping, is it possible to bring the surface back to something that looks like tubing from the tube factory or should I just leave well enough alone? The eventual goal is to ceramic coat the header, if that has an bearing on the topic. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 17 09:59:51 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 11:59:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Free food and rest stop in Albuqueruque for Kastner cup travelers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDE2C296FB7763-ECC-1C56F@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> you mean we wouldnt have sleep on the floor and the yard like we made you do? -----Original Message----- From: Henry Morrison To: fot Sent: Tue, May 17, 2011 9:48 am Subject: [Fot] Free food and rest stop in Albuqueruque for Kastner cup travelers I'll put you up just 2 miles off I-40 in Cedar Crest, NM and feed you near Albuquerque if it helps anyone get to the event. We have a fairly private guest room with TV and bathroom and have. Come stop, eat, sleep and leave, I have leached off others on the list more than my fair share and wold be thrilled to help someone get to the event. (The downside might be listening to my endless BS). Cheers Henry Morrison, Near Albuquerque _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From cofrog at q.com Tue May 17 10:01:28 2011 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 12:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing in Hastings NE RMVR & HVR CO-SPONSORS In-Reply-To: <8CDE2BE4C0D815A-ECC-1B450@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <773077255.206794.1305648088279.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> I too find Monterey beyond my budget. So planning on running Hastings again this year after missing last year due to racing at Topeka. Always had a great time at Hasting and the track management is a hoot. Hope to see folks from HSR and CVAR among others attend. Dan Forgey ----- Original Message ----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 9:29:07 AM Subject: [Fot] Racing in Hastings NE RMVR & HVR CO-SPONSORS Thanks Jim, Presently we plan to be there. Seems like a good payback to be there, after all of the support we got from RMVR at last year's KCUP. Country Club track with nice facilities....I stopped by once to view the track. At the end of the day, it's the people that count.....should be pretty mellow. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Sent: Tue, May 17, 2011 9:59 am Subject: [Fot] Racing in Hastings NE FoT Heartland Vintage Racing is co-sponsoring our annual RMVR event at Hastings NE. this year. Anyway, since I can't afford the trip to Monterey this year I'm going to shoot for Hastings. It's the first weekend in September. I've never been to Hastings but everyone I know says it's a blast & they have all kinds of non-racing things going on too. This may be a second chance for some of us that can't make the K-Cup. Here are some linksB B B http://www.racemph.com/ B B B B B B B B http://rmvr.com/ Jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon May 16 13:37:42 2011 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <259808.29931.qm@web125708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I was there Saturday and Sunday. Saturday qualifying was on a damp track, with all the people sliding off, some very good driving, and un-nerving a Porsche driver at turn 14 on the second to the last lap; Tony was to have been 3rd on the grid for the race. Very few appeared to have any knowledge of a "rain line". However those running the event decided to massage the race grid due to the number of people who didn't qualify (I think they got something from the Porsche guys). Tony started about were he finished, 8th, behind a bunch of Porsches, a A-H 3000 and a Alfa or two. As I stated in another response John Hagen presented himself well; didn't hit any solid objects like others did; and even made a couple passes. Many commented that this was the worst weather ever for this event; I would but the weather in the worst three for this event,no snow flurries. Still beat cutting the grass. In your honor I did bring some wine and cheese on Saturday. While I can provide some respectable wine and cheese I can not provide your level of entertainment. Ernie ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 10:41:30 AM Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... Amici... Anyone have a report on last week end's vintage event at Road America? My grand daughter's graduation from North Dakota State prevented me from being there. It is the first one I ever missed. The weather was rather cool, and wet on Saturday. Pity, as the week prior was actually balmy, lots of sun and temperatures in the 70s and 80s. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon May 16 13:28:27 2011 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <690461.70246.qm@web125706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> John: They're just jealous. You may not have been fast in comparison to the Porsches but you were consistent and didn't finish last. At least that is what I saw while crewing for Tony and hiding from the wind. Ernie ________________________________ From: "jkhagen at charter.net" To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 12:57:44 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... My MG buddies would not talk to me they say I have gone to the dark side. John Hagen From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue May 17 18:56:32 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 20:56:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: <690461.70246.qm@web125706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: , <690461.70246.qm@web125706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I cant believe he hangs out with those MG folks, let alone tell us about it! :) Marty > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:28:27 -0700 > From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com > To: jkhagen at charter.net; BillDentin at aol.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... > > John: > > They're just jealous. > > Ernie > ________________________________ > From: "jkhagen at charter.net" > > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, > May 16, 2011 12:57:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road > America... > > My MG buddies would not talk to me they say I have gone to the > dark side. John > Hagen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Wed May 18 07:22:06 2011 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 08:22:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Items that need a home, I need race engine money!!!! Message-ID: Morning members< Here's a list of some goodies that I have that need a new home: - Slotted and Dimpled rotors for a stock Spitfire (Not GT6 rotors) New 60.00 for the pair. - Triumph1300 JE Forged pistons 0.030 over used but in excellent condition with pins and locks set of 4 $150.00 I have pics of these parts if you need to see them, just e mail me. I am not a fan of Pay Pal as the fees kill a lot of the dollars. Most of you know of me or at least know who I am so I prefer checks that can clear the bank and then I will ship the items. You will get the parts and they are as described. Offers if reasonable will be considered as well thanks!! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From jkhagen at charter.net Wed May 18 08:44:42 2011 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 10:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... Message-ID: <178ecf9.fa86.1300390d9de.Webtop.44@charter.net> Needed to come out of the closet! I started with MG powered TVR [also has lots of TR parts] going to TR-4 is like automotive diversification. My other car is a '32 Ford with Chev engine. My motto is "No Snivelling" John Hagen ps--Where are all the TR racers [RA May] had a dozen MGs' two TRs'! On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:56 PM, marty sukey wrote: I cant believe he hangs out with those MG folks, let alone tell us about it! :) Marty > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:28:27 -0700 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com To: > jkhagen at charter.net; BillDentin at aol.com CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... > John: > They're just jealous. > Ernie ________________________________ From: "jkhagen at charter.net" > To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 12:57:44 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage > Event at Road America... > My MG buddies would not talk to me they say I have gone to the dark > side. John Hagen _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From emanteno at comcast.net Wed May 18 08:49:41 2011 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 09:49:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: <178ecf9.fa86.1300390d9de.Webtop.44@charter.net> References: <178ecf9.fa86.1300390d9de.Webtop.44@charter.net> Message-ID: On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 9:44 AM, wrote: > ps--Where are all the TR racers [RA May] had a dozen MGs' two TRs'! > We're known for quality, not quantity. There were Road America regulars that weren't there for assorted reasons - graduation and/or other schedule conflicts, mechanical ills, budgetary constraints. At VIR last month, there were about 15 assorted TRiumph race cars. There were a lot less mg's. Keep coming out, you'll see more TRiumphs next time. From igofaster at att.net Wed May 18 10:42:58 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 09:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] which comes first, the Spitfire Racecar or the GT6 Racecar? Message-ID: <160660.98206.qm@web180804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In my struggle with depression I decided NOT to call my Doctor... (are you as tired as I am over those commercials?) .. Instead I'm gathering up my big boy britches and moving forward on both projects. GT6.. seems I have a block that was already line bored for cam bearings. I'll be on the hunt for putting that one together first. I can come back to the block that will need re - sleeved later in my depression recovery. Spitfire ... seems the 1965 Spitwad has a 1500 engine in it. Once I get it sort of dialed in, I'm sure CVAR will let me run it a few events with the non-period correct 1500. So... I'm in the hunt for a period correct 1296 (1300?) Spitfire engine. Isn't the small journal engine desired? High rev potential? Does anybody have a 1296 engine they would like to sell? TR6 ... driving the beauty up to Eagles Canyon Raceway this weekend to wrench, crew, whine, and drink beer and have a gathering of drunk nighthawks in the garage area when I break out the guitar for a round chorus of CoomBaYaa. Small Bore British Classic this weekend ... the Grandson of Healey will be there from England as well a gaggle of other British dignitaries ... should be fun ... even if I'm not racing... I'll be sleeping on the concrete with 5 other Triumphs! I've got 99972 miles on the TR6 so I think I'm going to set the GoPro on the roll bar and YouTube the 100,000 mile mark on the hills north of my house on FM730 early Friday morning headed up to ECR in Decatur Texas. Enjoy! Bobby Whitehead ... Triple Dose of Triumph 'har Doctor? From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 18 10:51:16 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 11:51:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] which comes first, the Spitfire Racecar or the GT6 Racecar? In-Reply-To: <160660.98206.qm@web180804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <160660.98206.qm@web180804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bobby, Do you want to take the Lemon's TR6 and piss off the CVAR brass? It's race ready......sort of. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 11:43 AM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] which comes first, the Spitfire Racecar or the GT6 Racecar? In my struggle with depression I decided NOT to call my Doctor... (are you as tired as I am over those commercials?) .. Instead I'm gathering up my big boy britches and moving forward on both projects. GT6.. seems I have a block that was already line bored for cam bearings. I'll be on the hunt for putting that one together first. I can come back to the block that will need re - sleeved later in my depression recovery. Spitfire ... seems the 1965 Spitwad has a 1500 engine in it. Once I get it sort of dialed in, I'm sure CVAR will let me run it a few events with the non-period correct 1500. So... I'm in the hunt for a period correct 1296 (1300?) Spitfire engine. Isn't the small journal engine desired? High rev potential? Does anybody have a 1296 engine they would like to sell? TR6 ... driving the beauty up to Eagles Canyon Raceway this weekend to wrench, crew, whine, and drink beer and have a gathering of drunk nighthawks in the garage area when I break out the guitar for a round chorus of CoomBaYaa. Small Bore British Classic this weekend ... the Grandson of Healey will be there from England as well a gaggle of other British dignitaries ... should be fun ... even if I'm not racing... I'll be sleeping on the concrete with 5 other Triumphs! I've got 99972 miles on the TR6 so I think I'm going to set the GoPro on the roll bar and YouTube the 100,000 mile mark on the hills north of my house on FM730 early Friday morning headed up to ECR in Decatur Texas. Enjoy! Bobby Whitehead ... Triple Dose of Triumph 'har Doctor? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Wed May 18 11:21:39 2011 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 10:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: <178ecf9.fa86.1300390d9de.Webtop.44@charter.net> References: <178ecf9.fa86.1300390d9de.Webtop.44@charter.net> Message-ID: <401480.26670.qm@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> John: As long as you have seen the light and come back from the Dark Side. Show up for the Blackhawk Farms Classic next month and you will see more TR's. Ernie ________________________________ From: "jkhagen at charter.net" To: marty sukey Cc: Ernie Husmann ; billdentin at aol.com; FOT Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 9:44:42 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... Needed to come out of the closet! I started with MG powered TVR [also has lots of TR parts] going to TR-4 is like automotive diversification. My other car is a '32 Ford with Chev engine. My motto is "No Snivelling" John Hagen ps--Where are all the TR racers [RA May] had a dozen MGs' two TRs'! On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:56 PM, marty sukey wrote: I cant believe he hangs out with those MG folks, let alone tell us about it! :) Marty > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:28:27 -0700 > From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com > To: jkhagen at charter.net; BillDentin at aol.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... > > John: > > They're just jealous. > > Ernie > ________________________________ > From: "jkhagen at charter.net" > > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, > May 16, 2011 12:57:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road > America... > > My MG buddies would not talk to me they say I have gone to the > dark side. John > Hagen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed May 18 11:42:38 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 12:42:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: <401480.26670.qm@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <178ecf9.fa86.1300390d9de.Webtop.44@charter.net> <401480.26670.qm@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Or come race with us next weekend at Blackhawk Farms with Midwestern Council. Sunday Memorial Day Weekend. So far two Triumphs... Me in my GT6 and Scott Barr in his Spitfire. This may be a good shakedown event as a full day of racing costs only $190. Practice, Qualifying, Race. Or if anyone else might have an interest http://www.mcscc.org/. click, schedules/ register Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Ernest Husmann wrote: > John: > > > Show up for the Blackhawk Farms Classic next month and you will see more. From herald948 at aol.com Wed May 18 12:22:07 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 14:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] which comes first, the Spitfire Racecar or the GT6 Racecar? In-Reply-To: <160660.98206.qm@web180804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <160660.98206.qm@web180804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDE39FA16C44D2-1C4C-40A9B@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead Spitfire ... seems the 1965 Spitwad has a 1500 engine in it. Once I get it sort of dialed in, I'm sure CVAR will let me run it a few events with the non-period correct 1500. So... I'm in the hunt for a period correct 1296 (1300?) Spitfire engine. Isn't the small journal engine desired? High rev potential? --Andy Mace ==AM== I admit that, as merely a retired Spitfire autocrosser and Herald nut, I know next to nothing about any of the sanctioning bodies and their rules. But a 1965 Spitfire (FC prefix if you still have a commission plate on it) would have had the 1147cc engine originally! *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed May 18 15:01:17 2011 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 17:01:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve Message-ID: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> I'm installing a dual circuit setup in my TR4, and based on a vendor suggestion I bought a 10# restrictor valve for the drums. However, after browsing the archives it appears that I shudda bought a restrictor for the disks. Damn, another backtrack. Is a restrictor for the disks warranted, instead of the drums? If so, I assume a 2# unit would be the correct size? TIA jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From billb at bnj.com Wed May 18 16:17:25 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 15:17:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve In-Reply-To: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> References: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <46ED1052-1B55-4ED0-A029-7DD91FC50FE7@bnj.com> You shouldn't need a residual pressure valve for the drums. I'm not sure what you have, if it's a variable restrictor it's for changing the front/rear bias then it might be useful, though I don't care much for them. You want a residual pressure regulator to keep the disk pucks from withdrawing too far when you let off the brake (the seal lip elasticity pulls them back). That isn't necessary with drums because you have mechanical adjustment of that. On May 18, 2011, at 2:01 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > I'm installing a dual circuit setup in my TR4, and based on a vendor suggestion I bought a 10# restrictor valve for the drums. However, after browsing the archives it appears that I shudda bought a restrictor for the disks. Damn, another backtrack. Is a restrictor for the disks warranted, instead of the drums? If so, I assume a 2# unit would be the correct size? > > TIA > > jim > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________\ From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed May 18 18:56:30 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 17:56:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve In-Reply-To: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> References: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <0b1301cc15bf$98103e80$c830bb80$@rr.com> > Is a restrictor for the disks > warranted, instead of the drums? If you are talking about a residual pressure valve, as the factory installed on earlier cars, then I would say No, you don't need it. Instead you need to install the uprated front axles and bearing spacers that were developed to solve the same problem WITHOUT having the brakes drag all the time. Not sure who all carries them, but TRF does. -- Randall From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Wed May 18 23:48:41 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 01:48:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Idle By Pass Diaphragms Message-ID: <14e95.6eeab6e7.3b060939@aol.com> Does anyone know if the idle by-pass valves are the same for the CD 175 and the CD 150 Stromberg carbs? TIA Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 19 02:37:01 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 10:37:01 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Have a look on Larry's cam In-Reply-To: <0b1301cc15bf$98103e80$c830bb80$@rr.com> References: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> <0b1301cc15bf$98103e80$c830bb80$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000b01cc15ff$edfe94f0$c9fbbed0$@com> http://www.youtube.com/v/lzl3CRhZVQw?hl=de&fs=1 Cheers Chris From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu May 19 09:36:49 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 11:36:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve In-Reply-To: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: We run a 1" Wilwood dual master unrestricted to front discs with a variable valve adjust in the line to the rear on the TR3A and it works great.... John H. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J.C. Hassall Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 5:01 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve I'm installing a dual circuit setup in my TR4, and based on a vendor suggestion I bought a 10# restrictor valve for the drums. However, after browsing the archives it appears that I shudda bought a restrictor for the disks. Damn, another backtrack. Is a restrictor for the disks warranted, instead of the drums? If so, I assume a 2# unit would be the correct size? TIA jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From billb at bnj.com Thu May 19 10:33:02 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 09:33:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Seems to be a bit of confusion here. Disk brakes generally need a residual pressure valve which keeps a bit of pressure on the pucks to prevent them from being withdrawn too much by seal elasticity. The stock brake system on all TRs I know of that have disks includes a residual pressure valve. If you replace that with a simple T for the front brake circuit you will need a residual pressure valve. Some master cylinders come with the residual pressure valve already installed, and you need to remove those if you're using it for back brakes or clutches (really bad for clutch, it may toast your thrust bearing). If you don't have a valve in the MC then you can add an inline residual pressure valve. A restrictor is totally different--it's used to adjust bias. It's not the best way to do that, a balance bar works much better since it doesn't change pedal effort and the adjustment can be made in both directions (though it's rare to need to increase rear braking), but restrictors are cheaper and easier. On May 19, 2011, at 8:36 AM, John Hasty wrote: > We run a 1" Wilwood dual master unrestricted to front discs with a variable > valve adjust in the line to the rear on the TR3A and it works great.... From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu May 19 12:07:26 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 11:07:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR2000] Idle By Pass Diaphragms References: <14e95.6eeab6e7.3b060939@aol.com> Message-ID: <22DC0B09B9C84CF1BE1811A0FF952581@Charly> This may have the answer you're looking for. http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ProductCategory.aspx?ParentId=24 Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; <6pack at autox.team.net> Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 10:48 PM Subject: [TR2000] Idle By Pass Diaphragms > Does anyone know if the idle by-pass valves are the same for the CD 175 > and > the CD 150 Stromberg carbs? > > TIA > Sam Clark > Green Country Triumphs > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From craigl at leinickegroup.com Thu May 19 16:12:32 2011 From: craigl at leinickegroup.com (Craig Leinicke) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 17:12:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues Message-ID: Looking for some help... After trailering our land speed TR7 900 miles to run at Maxton NC last weekend... an issue which we thought we had solved... re-appeared. On our first run the engine blew the head gasket in the number 4 cylinder when we shifted into 5th gear. The car still ran 105mph with one cylinder under water. This is a 12 to 1 compression engine and we have been using Hylomar sealant with a conventional high quality British head gasket with some success. All of our attempts to seal the head with a solid copper gasket have proved unsuccessful. We have contacted Cometic about a multi-layer steel gasket... But no deal. With an 1800 mile round trip tow to race and gas at over $4.00 per gallon, I need to eliminate this failure going forward. Thanks in Advance for your response. Craig Leinicke Flashback Racing www.flashbackracing.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu May 19 17:29:06 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 16:29:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0cba01cc167c$8ced00c0$a6c70240$@rr.com> > Disk brakes generally need a > residual > pressure valve which keeps a bit of pressure on the pucks to prevent > them from > being withdrawn too much by seal elasticity. In the case of the TR3-4, I believe it was done for a different reason: the front spindles flex enough under hard cornering to push the caliper pistons back and cause a low pedal on next application. I don't recall the change point offhand, but the factory deleted the RPV at some point (during TR4A production maybe). Having run for some 25 years with the RPV removed from an otherwise stock TR3A, I do not believe that seal flex is a significant issue with these calipers. But spindle flex definitely is. For my car and my driving (on the street), I find that I can just live with a low pedal after hard maneuvers. It's never been low enough to need a pump, just enough to be disconcerting if you aren't expecting it. I believe it was Jack Drews that came up with the spacer fix instead. -- Randall From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 19 19:11:51 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 21:11:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDE4A208C51E1B-81C-43395@webmail-d034.sysops.aol.com> cool! i cant help much, but see the TR7 and TR8 as a natural progression of vintage competition. i know that we have some interest in these cars on the list. let the support begin...... thanks for the post, Craig. -----Original Message----- From: Craig Leinicke To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, May 19, 2011 5:12 pm Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues Looking for some help... After trailering our land speed TR7 900 miles to run at Maxton NC last weekend... an issue which we thought we had solved... re-appeared. On our first run the engine blew the head gasket in the number 4 cylinder when we shifted into 5th gear. The car still ran 105mph with one cylinder under water. This is a 12 to 1 compression engine and we have been using Hylomar sealant with a conventional high quality British head gasket with some success. All of our attempts to seal the head with a solid copper gasket have proved unsuccessful. We have contacted Cometic about a multi-layer steel gasket... But no deal. With an 1800 mile round trip tow to race and gas at over $4.00 per gallon, I need to eliminate this failure going forward. Thanks in Advance for your response. Craig Leinicke Flashback Racing www.flashbackracing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Thu May 19 19:54:41 2011 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 21:54:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve In-Reply-To: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> References: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <4DD5C9E1.3000101@blacksburg.net> On 5/18/2011 5:01 PM, J.C. Hassall **stupidly** wrote: > I'm installing a dual circuit setup in my TR4, and based on a vendor > suggestion I bought a 10# restrictor valve for the drums. ... > Sorry folks, I had a brain fart when typing. As many respondents correctly assumed, I meant "residual pressure valve". That said, out of 9 data points there was no consensus about whether to use one in the disk circuit or not. In any case it seems like a good idea for me to get Uncle Jack's uprated front axle kit - something I should have already done. j -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu May 19 20:24:38 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 22:24:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003601cc1695$11c19820$3544c860$@rogers.com> You might try posting a question here, lots of knowledgeable people on this forum. Paul http://www.forum.triumphtr7.com/ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Craig Leinicke Sent: May 19, 2011 6:13 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues Looking for some help... After trailering our land speed TR7 900 miles to run at Maxton NC last weekend... an issue which we thought we had solved... re-appeared. On our first run the engine blew the head gasket in the number 4 cylinder when we shifted into 5th gear. The car still ran 105mph with one cylinder under water. This is a 12 to 1 compression engine and we have been using Hylomar sealant with a conventional high quality British head gasket with some success. All of our attempts to seal the head with a solid copper gasket have proved unsuccessful. We have contacted Cometic about a multi-layer steel gasket... But no deal. With an 1800 mile round trip tow to race and gas at over $4.00 per gallon, I need to eliminate this failure going forward. Thanks in Advance for your response. Craig Leinicke Flashback Racing www.flashbackracing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Fri May 20 02:45:55 2011 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 09:45:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve In-Reply-To: <0cba01cc167c$8ced00c0$a6c70240$@rr.com> References: <0cba01cc167c$8ced00c0$a6c70240$@rr.com> Message-ID: <0F719592-8CB2-45EB-9A71-D40F4F7F28E7@virgin.net> Hi all I run a dual circuit system and no external valves on Beastie and no problems with what I call 'pad knock off' , caused by the stub axle flexure. I'm currently using avast of the southwick fat alloy hubs and stub axles as they take much more of a pounding without the need for intervention, but prior to this I used the shim and conical washer kit that TR enterprises can supply. Big improvement over the standard set up as this stops the stub axle flexing quite a lot, so for most this might be enough. The fat hub kit with big stub axles removes the issue completely, no soft pedal or high bearing wear rate, no nylons flying off and 3 wheel motoring etc. So for me this was the way to go as my nerves get frayed quite enough as the scenery flies by very close . Regards Tony Sent from My iPhone On 20 May 2011, at 00:29, "Randall" wrote: >> Disk brakes generally need a >> residual >> pressure valve which keeps a bit of pressure on the pucks to prevent >> them from >> being withdrawn too much by seal elasticity. > > In the case of the TR3-4, I believe it was done for a different reason: the > front spindles flex enough under hard cornering to push the caliper pistons > back and cause a low pedal on next application. > > I don't recall the change point offhand, but the factory deleted the RPV at > some point (during TR4A production maybe). > > Having run for some 25 years with the RPV removed from an otherwise stock > TR3A, I do not believe that seal flex is a significant issue with these > calipers. But spindle flex definitely is. For my car and my driving (on > the street), I find that I can just live with a low pedal after hard > maneuvers. It's never been low enough to need a pump, just enough to be > disconcerting if you aren't expecting it. > > I believe it was Jack Drews that came up with the spacer fix instead. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri May 20 10:18:04 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 18:18:04 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Rear brakes In-Reply-To: <0F719592-8CB2-45EB-9A71-D40F4F7F28E7@virgin.net> References: <0cba01cc167c$8ced00c0$a6c70240$@rr.com> <0F719592-8CB2-45EB-9A71-D40F4F7F28E7@virgin.net> Message-ID: <000e01cc1709$823297c0$8697c740$@com> As we are talking about brakes. I bought a new rear hydraulics for the drums with a piston diameter of 3/4", to have more bias to the rear. I've installed that stuff and tried to fill the system with fluid when it started leaking very badly - they were new! I took them apart and found interesting things. 1. They are not 3/4" they are 1" in size 2. the manufactuer has forgot that rest inside the housing so that the piston is going too deep in, with its gasket past the bores of the connectors...that's why they leaked. Solution: I made on my lathe a 0.177" shim that is deep in that bore now and is the rest for the piston. Now it does work properly. But I have to reset my brake adjustment as I have now very much bias to the rear with such huge pistons. Cheers Chris From LOddTR at aol.com Fri May 20 17:38:26 2011 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 19:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] ANNOUNCEMENT: Triumph Ghetto 2011 Martha McDougal Trophy Winner Message-ID: <1bc0.46e5c286.3b085572@aol.com> After finally getting my engine together and completing it's break-in at speed, it has occurred to me we never announced our 2011 Martha McDougal Trophy winner to the wider Triumph racing community. After much deliberation, the TR Ghetto Award Committee selected Tony Drews as the winner of the Martha McDougal Trophy at this year's VDCA Wild Hare Run at VIR. Tony epitomizes the characteristics that Martha displayed daily at the factory in Coventry. He is known as a leader on the track, is always willing to lend a hand, or part, and has devoted his talents to developing parts that keep our cars going with improved performance and reliability. Above all, Tony is a TR guy that we all admire. Congratulations Tony! Best wishes for another successful race season. The TR Ghetto Martha McDougal Trophy Committee Don, Dean and Leo From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat May 21 07:59:44 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 09:59:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001b01cc17bf$56c0a580$0441f080$@rogers.com> Here is a suggestion from the TR7 Forum. Does anyone have experience with the copper head gasket and the sealing rings or even the grooves cut into the block? Anyplace in North America do this? Thanks Paul ------------------------------------------------------------- Contact Coltec Racing - they used to be Holbay Racing and they built the Formula 3 Sprint engines. http://coltecracing.com/ I was talking to one of them about 20 years ago and remember mention of grooves in the head/block as used here: http://www.ferriday.co.uk/copper/copper.shtml Quote: "A more aggressive sealing method is to machine a groove into the top of the block and inlay a piece of wire that protrudes to "bite" into the copper gasket. If a "receiver" groove is machined into the head the wire will push the copper into the head groove - this is very aggressive & very effective." -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Craig Leinicke Sent: May 19, 2011 6:13 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues Looking for some help... After trailering our land speed TR7 900 miles to run at Maxton NC last weekend... an issue which we thought we had solved... re-appeared. On our first run the engine blew the head gasket in the number 4 cylinder when we shifted into 5th gear. The car still ran 105mph with one cylinder under water. This is a 12 to 1 compression engine and we have been using Hylomar sealant with a conventional high quality British head gasket with some success. All of our attempts to seal the head with a solid copper gasket have proved unsuccessful. We have contacted Cometic about a multi-layer steel gasket... But no deal. With an 1800 mile round trip tow to race and gas at over $4.00 per gallon, I need to eliminate this failure going forward. Thanks in Advance for your response. Craig Leinicke Flashback Racing www.flashbackracing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat May 21 10:30:50 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 09:30:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues In-Reply-To: <001b01cc17bf$56c0a580$0441f080$@rogers.com> References: <001b01cc17bf$56c0a580$0441f080$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <075101cc17d4$72f2eb90$0301a8c0@randall> Any good "high performance" machine shop should be able to O-ring the block for you. It's more commonly done on heads, but the operation is the same. I use a simpler approach on my TR3 (which has mis-cut liner seats). It works well for me, but I don't know how well it would work on a TR7 motor. http://tinyurl.com/2f6lvq5 http://tinyurl.com/3m2tzp3 -- Randall From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sat May 21 16:39:46 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 18:39:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit upright replacement (?) Message-ID: <76B95C06-CF22-42A3-9D44-DEFEE9FACED6@aol.com> Amici I was just going threw some of my stock spit parts and I just so happened up look at my friends TR6. Is it possible to use a TR6 upright/brake/spindle? I know the trunion, ball joint are wider and the whole upright is about an inch or so taller. But is the TR6 a stronger unit? Is it worthwhile to do it? From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat May 21 18:33:00 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 10:33:00 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Re TR7 Head Gasket Issues Message-ID: on the dolomite sprint (16V version of that engine, same block), we have previously machined O rings into the block to solve this problem. Use 0.75mm MIG wire with 0,25mm protruding. The real tricks are to make sure the ring is perfectly concentric with the bore and it sits on the gaskets metal fire ring. If i recall correctly, we got a gasket specially made with a wider than stock fire ring to allow this to happen. Terry From BillDentin at aol.com Sun May 22 09:15:06 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 11:15:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 Radiator issues... Message-ID: <5b68.ecfc529.3b0a827a@aol.com> Amici... Bob Wismer asked me to send a Thank You Note out to all who came forward with ideas for replacing the radiator in his TR4 race car. He appreciated getting the numerous suggested solutions from which he could pick the one that fit him the best. He has ordered a custom radiator from WIZARD COOLING and will also have an original radiator re-cored as a spare. Thanks again. Bill Dentinger and Bob Wismer From billb at bnj.com Sun May 22 10:39:00 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 09:39:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cheap to a good home In-Reply-To: <075101cc17d4$72f2eb90$0301a8c0@randall> References: <001b01cc17bf$56c0a580$0441f080$@rogers.com> <075101cc17d4$72f2eb90$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <808E25E2-A79B-4B57-8115-F9199E5C26FB@bnj.com> We're starting to move the last stuff from our Portland home, and I'm looking at the old cheater TR3 and wondering what to do with it. Answer--get rid of it. It's basically a frame and most of a body with a really good roll cage and a lot of alternative parts. There's all the ultralight fiberglass body parts and light frame to hang them off if someone wanted to build a NASCAR Triumph. Not sure where you could race it, but it's an option, then there's a bunch of steel body parts (not complete, but very close) if someone wanted to build a steel, legal race car. I'd sell it with a rear end or two, miscellaneous parts, three TR3 transmissions, driveshafts, etc. From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Sun May 22 21:19:03 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 23:19:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 Alternator Message-ID: <57fe6.274bf77.3b0b2c27@aol.com> I have a MKIII GT6 and was looking at the Bentley manual this evening trying to do some research on the alternator and the only thing in the book gives the info but is all says not for GT6. What's up with that? It is a GT6 manual after all. Any help? Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun May 22 22:12:44 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 21:12:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Alternator In-Reply-To: <57fe6.274bf77.3b0b2c27@aol.com> References: <57fe6.274bf77.3b0b2c27@aol.com> Message-ID: <09e001cc18ff$aae3ba80$0301a8c0@randall> It means except a "Mk I" GT6 (except of course it wasn't called "Mk I", just "GT6"). And that is because the early ones had a generator instead of an alternator. If you look earlier in the book, I think you'll find the generator section marked "GT6 only". -- Randall From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 23 12:58:40 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 18:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank plugs Message-ID: <570863583.375426.1306177120637.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT, It seems like every time I use loctite of any kind on the crank plugs they have to be drilled out. Just looking for some input on loctite & crank plugs. Thanks as always, Jim G. From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Mon May 23 15:38:39 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 07:38:39 +1000 Subject: [Fot] spitfire front uprights wanted Message-ID: can anyone help with some used late model spitfire front uprights and matching steering arms. the ones i want have the steering arms bolted on the outside, bot thru a hole in the upright like early cars & GT6. dont care if thread at bottom is worn as it will be modified for a race use. dont need trunnions thanks., Terry From igofaster at att.net Mon May 23 20:00:24 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 19:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto Message-ID: <415078.67520.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Just an update of the CVAR weekend and Eagles Canyon for the F.o.T. The Southern Region of the Triumph Ghetto was in full force at Eagles Canyon this past weekend. Robert 'Fireball' Kramer's beautiful TR4 was flawless and fast. Bob Blake finally got his TR4 dialed in by Sunday morning. Seems the condenser wasn't grounded out well. Joe Hovey spun a bearing or two in the Spitwad. Greg Blake either broke a crank on his lovely TR3 or the flywheel came loose. Bill Collins finally got his little Spitwad dialed in. I drove our street TR6 up Saturday morning and turned 100,000 miles on FM 730 headed to Azle Texas. I GOPRO'd the event in the thickest fog or humidity I've seen here in a while. I'll try to YOUTUBE it. The GT6 was broke but I still wrenched, crewed, drank beer, camped, and whined with the best of them. Call it an historic weekend as Steve Coleman paid all expenses for Clive Baker and the grandson and great-grandson of Healey (Austin Healey) came over to participate in our small British event on Saturday. The offspring of Healey had never raced and Steve Coleman paid for 3 days track time at VIR for these two to get their novice licenses. Pinnacle group rented ECR Thursday and Clive Baker was reunited with the Daytona coupe Healey he drove at Dayton in the late 60's. Steve Coleman has 2 of the 3 factory Healeys that were manual fuel injected, one beautiful coupe, and one roadster. So for the small bore classic we had 48 cars on the track, Clive Baker, and Healey's grandson in a members Sprite and the great-grandson in the Healey roadster. I was passenger in the XKE V12 roadster pace car and got some really nice shots of the front 20 or so cars. Stay tuned, I'll photo bucket them or something. Bobby Whitehead From igofaster at att.net Mon May 23 20:06:50 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 19:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto Tee Shirts Message-ID: <794291.81969.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Speaking of Triumph Ghetto... has anyone thought of putting together some nice tee shirts for the group? Steve Coleman and the Storage 105 guys made up 250 really, really nice tee shirts for our small bore event last weekend in color. Some color photos of one of the Daytona Healeys was done along with some time capsule black and white photos of Clive Baker and a couple other Healeys. They are medium grey and turned out really well. When I arrived at ECR last weekend we had some small traffic cones marking of our spaces TRIUMPH GHETTO and the two made me think of this idea. Of course if no one has and there is some interest, I may do some up if they can punch out. I make up some for my store and I think they are 5 colors and a decent shirt with silk screen runs about $8.00 a shirt, cost... Bobby Whitehead Pawn Star of CVAR From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 23 20:18:25 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 22:18:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto In-Reply-To: <415078.67520.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <415078.67520.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDE7CFFF547025-2C4-6C0C@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> thanks for taking the time to do a race report... it keeps everyone in touch and information has a chance to flow nicely. knowing the failure modes is good communication, too. How does the RMVR event at Hastings look for the CVAR guys and Triumphs specifically? Some of us have our eye out for another FOT gathering before the end of the year. VIR was great, Leguna will be very cool. Perhaps Hastings' RMVR event in the Heartland will complete the geography. -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 9:00 pm Subject: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto Just an update of the CVAR weekend and Eagles Canyon for the F.o.T. The Southern Region of the Triumph Ghetto was in full force at Eagles Canyon this past weekend. Robert 'Fireball' Kramer's beautiful TR4 was flawless and fast. Bob Blake finally got his TR4 dialed in by Sunday morning. Seems the condenser wasn't grounded out well. Joe Hovey spun a bearing or two in the Spitwad. Greg Blake either broke a crank on his lovely TR3 or the flywheel came loose. Bill Collins finally got his little Spitwad dialed in. I drove our street TR6 up Saturday morning and turned 100,000 miles on FM 730 headed to Azle Texas. I GOPRO'd the event in the thickest fog or humidity I've seen here in a while. I'll try to YOUTUBE it. The GT6 was broke but I still wrenched, crewed, drank beer, camped, and whined with the best of them. Call it an historic weekend as Steve Coleman paid all expenses for Clive Baker and the grandson and great-grandson of Healey (Austin Healey) came over to participate in our small British event on Saturday. The offspring of Healey had never raced and Steve Coleman paid for 3 days track time at VIR for these two to get their novice licenses. Pinnacle group rented ECR Thursday and Clive Baker was reunited with the Daytona coupe Healey he drove at Dayton in the late 60's. Steve Coleman has 2 of the 3 factory Healeys that were manual fuel injected, one beautiful coupe, and one roadster. So for the small bore classic we had 48 cars on the track, Clive Baker, and Healey's grandson in a members Sprite and the great-grandson in the Healey roadster. I was passenger in the XKE V12 roadster pace car and got some really nice shots of the front 20 or so cars. Stay tuned, I'll photo bucket them or something. Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com = From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Mon May 23 20:25:52 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 22:25:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto Tee Shirts Message-ID: <880d3.41295fb.3b0c7130@aol.com> Count me in, Bobby. Sam Clark In a message dated 5/23/2011 9:07:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, igofaster at att.net writes: Speaking of Triumph Ghetto... has anyone thought of putting together some nice tee shirts for the group? Steve Coleman and the Storage 105 guys made up 250 really, really nice tee shirts for our small bore event last weekend in color. Some color photos of one of the Daytona Healeys was done along with some time capsule black and white photos of Clive Baker and a couple other Healeys. They are medium grey and turned out really well. When I arrived at ECR last weekend we had some small traffic cones marking of our spaces TRIUMPH GHETTO and the two made me think of this idea. Of course if no one has and there is some interest, I may do some up if they can punch out. I make up some for my store and I think they are 5 colors and a decent shirt with silk screen runs about $8.00 a shirt, cost... Bobby Whitehead Pawn Star of CVAR _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 23 20:38:14 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 22:38:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: <794291.81969.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <794291.81969.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDE7D2C42EC1E0-2C4-72B5@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> cool bobby! it's been awhile since we had a big tee shirt run. this is a huge undertaking. Schumacher helped up with an array of shirts for Watkins Glen coordinated by the SUKEYS? Hilyer did one for Heartland Park. we have no Kastner Cup Tee-Shirt planned for Laguna Seca. (sometimes these great ideas just need a rest.) however, if a couple folks got their heads together, there is enough time to do one for the 10th running of the Kastner Cup in combination with the 60th anniversary of Triumphs in Competition. this is in 2012. next May, actually. the artwork could be used for the next Kastner Cup Poster, as well as the shirts. we have enough talent and resources in the FOT to do a great job....it just takes the right volunteers who are able to get the job done. i think i know an artist. SOME SHIRTS FOR THE 2012 FOT GATHERING would be a worthy undertaking. -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 9:06 pm Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto Tee Shirts Speaking of Triumph Ghetto... has anyone thought of putting together some nice tee shirts for the group? Steve Coleman and the Storage 105 guys made up 250 really, really nice tee shirts for our small bore event last weekend in color. Some color photos of one of the Daytona Healeys was done along with some time capsule black and white photos of Clive Baker and a couple other Healeys. They are medium grey and turned out really well. When I arrived at ECR last weekend we had some small traffic cones marking of our spaces TRIUMPH GHETTO and the two made me think of this idea. Of course if no one has and there is some interest, I may do some up if they can punch out. I make up some for my store and I think they are 5 colors and a decent shirt with silk screen runs about $8.00 a shirt, cost... Bobby Whitehead Pawn Star of CVAR _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Mon May 23 21:24:26 2011 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 20:24:26 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] VARA Buttonwillow Message-ID: <7105257.1306207466780.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi FOT, I am Joe Siam the Co Chair for VARAs British Extravaganza this 4-5 June 2011. I would like to have all of us with our cars get together for a picture on the pre grid after Saturdays challenge races. I am thinking around 4:15 with should be around 20-30 after the challenge races. That will give you time to get a cool beverage. I will firm up the when and where and let you know on Saturday. Also if someone is interested in doing a little write up on the race weekend let me know. Thanks Joe Siam Chequered Flag Racing .net Joseph P. Siam 9833 Deering Ave unit I Chatsworth Ca 91311 818 350 6222 From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon May 23 21:43:46 2011 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 22:43:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto In-Reply-To: <8CDE7CFFF547025-2C4-6C0C@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> References: <415078.67520.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CDE7CFFF547025-2C4-6C0C@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001601cc19c4$c95d2170$5c176450$@rr.com> I'll keep yall posted. This was race weekend #9 on this build. I shift at 5500 rpm and oil pressure was 80 psi when all hell broke loose. I should have the chance to pull the engine in the next two weeks. I'd like to see the collective experience with crank failures. Specifically how long did they last and root cause if known. I'd like data to help figure out if using a stock crank should I be expecting a failure on a regular frequency. That might convince me to spend a few grand for a stronger crank up front. Stay tuned. BTW... It broke after taking the checker in race 1 Saturday morning. At least I beat all the other VA and VB guys. The timing of the failure was unfortunate because I missed racing Bob Kramer, Bill Collins, and my Dad (+ 2 Morgan guys Duncan and Pierce(SP?)) in the small bore festival race. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:18 PM To: igofaster at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto thanks for taking the time to do a race report... it keeps everyone in touch and information has a chance to flow nicely. knowing the failure modes is good communication, too. How does the RMVR event at Hastings look for the CVAR guys and Triumphs specifically? Some of us have our eye out for another FOT gathering before the end of the year. VIR was great, Leguna will be very cool. Perhaps Hastings' RMVR event in the Heartland will complete the geography. -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 9:00 pm Subject: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto Just an update of the CVAR weekend and Eagles Canyon for the F.o.T. The Southern Region of the Triumph Ghetto was in full force at Eagles Canyon this past weekend. Robert 'Fireball' Kramer's beautiful TR4 was flawless and fast. Bob Blake finally got his TR4 dialed in by Sunday morning. Seems the condenser wasn't grounded out well. Joe Hovey spun a bearing or two in the Spitwad. Greg Blake either broke a crank on his lovely TR3 or the flywheel came loose. Bill Collins finally got his little Spitwad dialed in. I drove our street TR6 up Saturday morning and turned 100,000 miles on FM 730 headed to Azle Texas. I GOPRO'd the event in the thickest fog or humidity I've seen here in a while. I'll try to YOUTUBE it. The GT6 was broke but I still wrenched, crewed, drank beer, camped, and whined with the best of them. Call it an historic weekend as Steve Coleman paid all expenses for Clive Baker and the grandson and great-grandson of Healey (Austin Healey) came over to participate in our small British event on Saturday. The offspring of Healey had never raced and Steve Coleman paid for 3 days track time at VIR for these two to get their novice licenses. Pinnacle group rented ECR Thursday and Clive Baker was reunited with the Daytona coupe Healey he drove at Dayton in the late 60's. Steve Coleman has 2 of the 3 factory Healeys that were manual fuel injected, one beautiful coupe, and one roadster. So for the small bore classic we had 48 cars on the track, Clive Baker, and Healey's grandson in a members Sprite and the great-grandson in the Healey roadster. I was passenger in the XKE V12 roadster pace car and got some really nice shots of the front 20 or so cars. Stay tuned, I'll photo bucket them or something. Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com = _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From ac at camoletti.ch Tue May 24 03:27:58 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 11:27:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] "KASTNER powered by American Explosives "T-SHIRT Message-ID: <003501cc19f4$ded075e0$9c7161a0$@camoletti.ch> Amici ! AS I am a newbie in the FOT list, I may have missed id : was at some point the fantastic T-shirt, "KASTNER. powered by American Explosives" re-made ? You may remember it appears in one of the books and is terrific, looking on the back like this: KASTNER KASTNER KASTNER KASTNER KASTNER powered by American Explosives This is a great one ! Cheers! Alex 1959 TR3A long distance road racing From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue May 24 06:25:05 2011 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 05:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: <794291.81969.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <610645.16130.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bobby: Since Josh and I were the last of the group to leave I picked up the cones for future Southern Region ghetto's. If we can come up with some artwork I will sponser the shirts with you. I also have "a man" that does my shirts for the shop and we can compare prices. I'm going to be building the engine for the Lemons car for TMS. Not sure if you'll be sponsering again, but perhaps we can do team shirts for that too. Everybody loves shirts! -Ed- --- On Mon, 5/23/11, Bobby Whitehead wrote: From: Bobby Whitehead Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto Tee Shirts To: "FoT Triumph" Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 9:06 PM Speaking of Triumph Ghetto... has anyone thought of putting together some nice tee shirts for the group? Steve Coleman and the Storage 105 guys made up 250 really, really nice tee shirts for our small bore event last weekend in color. Some color photos of one of the Daytona Healeys was done along with some time capsule black and white photos of Clive Baker and a couple other Healeys. They are medium grey and turned out really well. When I arrived at ECR last weekend we had some small traffic cones marking of our spaces TRIUMPH GHETTO and the two made me think of this idea. Of course if no one has and there is some interest, I may do some up if they can punch out. I make up some for my store and I think they are 5 colors and a decent shirt with silk screen runs about $8.00 a shirt, cost... Bobby Whitehead Pawn Star of CVAR _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue May 24 07:40:01 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 09:40:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: <8CDE7D2C42EC1E0-2C4-72B5@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> References: <794291.81969.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <8CDE7D2C42EC1E0-2C4-72B5@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I was involved with some FOT shirt projects but I don't think I can take credit for those nice Glen shirts. Scott maybe? Then again, I don't remember what I had for breakfast this morning so it could have been me, ya never know. Marty > > Schumacher helped up with an array of shirts for Watkins Glen coordinated by > the SUKEYS? From sjanzen at me.com Tue May 24 07:47:44 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 09:47:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: References: <794291.81969.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CDE7D2C42EC1E0-2C4-72B5@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: yep, that was me for coordination of design, quantities and sizes, getting everybody's orders, Ted S for getting them made, bringing them to the Glen and processing payments, and Greg Petrolati did the hard part - the artwork. BTW, we used the words "Triumphs at the Glen" on the shirts, which the track complained about. Apparently "the Glen" was trademarked! On May 24, 2011, at 9:40 AM, marty sukey wrote: I was involved with some FOT shirt projects but I don't think I can take credit for those nice Glen shirts. Scott maybe? Then again, I don't remember what I had for breakfast this morning so it could have been me, ya never know. Marty > > Schumacher helped up with an array of shirts for Watkins Glen coordinated by > the SUKEYS? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From chasgee at aol.com Tue May 24 08:50:33 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 11:50:33 -0300 Subject: [Fot] "KASTNER powered by American Explosives "T-SHIRT In-Reply-To: <003501cc19f4$ded075e0$9c7161a0$@camoletti.ch> References: <003501cc19f4$ded075e0$9c7161a0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <4b147cbe-2bd2-4c4b-a604-232a87bf6701@blur> Yes, I re-made the shirts for the 2007 Kastner cup event. All of the entrants received one with their entry. Chuck Gee Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Alexandre Camoletti To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 09:33:30 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] "KASTNER powered by American Explosives "T-SHIRT Amici ! AS I am a newbie in the FOT list, I may have missed id : was at some point the fantastic T-shirt, "KASTNER. powered by American Explosives" re-made ? You may remember it appears in one of the books and is terrific, looking on the back like this: KASTNER KASTNER KASTNER KASTNER KASTNER powered by American Explosives This is a great one ! Cheers! Alex 1959 TR3A long distance road racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 24 08:52:31 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 10:52:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: References: <794291.81969.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><8CDE7D2C42EC1E0-2C4-72B5@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDE83957A222E1-1164-7D55@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> yes! SCOTT JANZEN sorry about that.......it was an 'awesome' effort by all involved. Ken Gano and I both had our 'Glen' shirts on a recent wine tour and Ken didnt even call me. The Glen was an FOT pinnacle in planning. It was HUGE. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: marty sukey Cc: Joe Alexander ; igofaster at att.net; FOT Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 8:47 am Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT Triumph Tee Shirts yep, that was me for coordination of design, quantities and sizes, getting everybody's orders, Ted S for getting them made, bringing them to the Glen and processing payments, and Greg Petrolati did the hard part - the artwork. BTW, we used the words "Triumphs at the Glen" on the shirts, which the track complained about. Apparently "the Glen" was trademarked! On May 24, 2011, at 9:40 AM, marty sukey wrote: I was involved with some FOT shirt projects but I don't think I can take credit for those nice Glen shirts. Scott maybe? Then again, I don't remember what I had for breakfast this morning so it could have been me, ya never know. Marty Schumacher helped up with an array of shirts for Watkins Glen coordinated by the SUKEYS? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com = From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue May 24 09:22:13 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 10:22:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto In-Reply-To: <001601cc19c4$c95d2170$5c176450$@rr.com> References: <415078.67520.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CDE7CFFF547025-2C4-6C0C@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> <001601cc19c4$c95d2170$5c176450$@rr.com> Message-ID: <18C7D48E-65CB-4604-8C3E-24F8F83FF484@gmail.com> I found Trevor Bond's in-car video (shot from his Mini Cooper) which shows a lot of the back end of Bob Kramer's TR4. It gives a decent look at the nature of the track. It starts in turn 11 just before the green. http://tinyurl.com/3wpaoj5 Unfortunately it shuts off too early and doesn't capture the checkered flag. I didn't get to see any of this, of course. I was pretty far back, ending up 25th in the #6 Morgan, having picked up 3 places, with Piers 30th in the #94 Morgan, having picked up one position. I thought we did OK for a couple of rookies. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 red #6 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bobby Whitehead > To: FoT Triumph > Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 9:00 pm > Subject: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto > > > Just an update of the CVAR weekend and Eagles Canyon for the F.o.T. The > Southern Region of the Triumph Ghetto was in full force at Eagles Canyon > this > past weekend. Robert 'Fireball' Kramer's beautiful TR4 was flawless and > fast. > Bob Blake finally got his TR4 dialed in by Sunday morning. Seems the > condenser > wasn't grounded out well. Joe Hovey spun a bearing or two in the Spitwad. > Greg > Blake either broke a crank on his lovely TR3 or the flywheel came loose. > Bill > Collins finally got his little Spitwad dialed in. I drove our street TR6 up > Saturday morning and turned 100,000 miles on FM 730 headed to Azle Texas. I > GOPRO'd the event in the thickest fog or humidity I've seen here in a while. > I'll try to YOUTUBE it. The GT6 was broke but I still wrenched, crewed, > drank > beer, camped, and whined with the best of them. > Call it an historic weekend as Steve Coleman paid all expenses for Clive > Baker > and the grandson and great-grandson of Healey (Austin Healey) came over to > participate in our small British event on Saturday. The offspring of Healey > had > never raced and Steve Coleman paid for 3 days track time at VIR for these > two > to > > get their novice licenses. Pinnacle group rented ECR Thursday and Clive > Baker > was reunited with the Daytona coupe Healey he drove at Dayton in the late > 60's. > Steve Coleman has 2 of the 3 factory Healeys that were manual fuel injected, > one > > beautiful coupe, and one roadster. > > So for the small bore classic we had 48 cars on the track, Clive Baker, and > Healey's grandson in a members Sprite and the great-grandson in the Healey > roadster. I was passenger in the XKE V12 roadster pace car and got some > really > nice shots of the front 20 or so cars. Stay tuned, I'll photo bucket them or > something. > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > = > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From cofrog at q.com Tue May 24 11:06:38 2011 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers Message-ID: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Any opinions on the legality of hood louvers on a TR4?B Would the legality depend on the GCR you are using?B What about configuring the hood so that when it's closed it has an opening between it and the scuttle to let air escape instead of louvers? Thanks, DAn From tr4.tony at virgin.net Tue May 24 11:34:31 2011 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 18:34:31 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers In-Reply-To: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <1547FE1A-2B2C-47F9-AB3D-72EE929FA6FB@virgin.net> Hi I've found that the hot spots in the TR4 are quite peculiar and the solution isn't entirely obvious when you get down to it. In the uk and for msa / fia sanctioned events you may not get away with louvres, or indeed even a gap at the rear of the bonnet as this needs to be sealed as oe against risk of fire (!) Silhouette modifications such as louvres are forbidden as i understand (as are oil cooler vents in the lower valance as per TR5 and 250) and whats more they are not really very effective as the heat spots on the TR4 are at the back of the engine and low down under the exhaust manifolds, not on the top of the engine where louvres might pull air from. Having said that I've run my bonnet open at the rear by about an inch, resting up on the pins using wire u brackets engaging through extra holes in the pins (and haven't been told off. (yet)) This does help as the gap is long enough to pull enough air and create a vacuum at the back of the engine bay which sucks air from inside and by the hot bits. A better solution as ive found on Beastie is to run the works style wing vents and duct air from the BOTTOM of the engine bay up to them on either side ..... That way you get air moving not eddying round the exhaust manifold (particularly) Ducting the radiator better helps too and running longer duct sides down to the chassis rails with upswept tubes connected in (plus brake ducting if you can) to allow air up from the front of the car works well too. The above does NOT work with a full length sumpguard ..... So for rallying more thought is needed. It does if you blank the vents over and make the air flow out past the gearbox .... Great in the winter, less good in the summer ..... And bad for the glue on the soles of your pretty boots and starts to cause all sorts of gearbox overheating issues, which are another story and another series of mods to deal with. Email me I you want pictures ..... It's all solvable. As the Man says, never be beaten by equipment ..... Regards Tony Sent from My iPhone On 24 May 2011, at 18:06, cofrog at q.com wrote: > Any opinions on the legality of hood louvers on a TR4?B Would the legality > depend on the GCR you are using?B What about configuring the hood so that > when it's closed it has an opening between it and the scuttle to let air > escape instead of louvers? > > > > Thanks, > > > > DAn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 24 11:43:13 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:43:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers In-Reply-To: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <8CDE851308A9E85-1E20-26B5F@webmail-stg-d14.sysops.aol.com> sometimes corner workers see the hood gap and think it is adrift. we hole sawed the firewall and replaced the scuttle vent door with a TR6 vent. it is a closed chamber behind the firewall and theoretically additional air from the engine compartment departs through the vent. we also ran a cold air duct from the front of the car and terminated the duct in front of the carbs. probably does little, but it is all cheap and easy to do. -----Original Message----- From: cofrog at q.com To: triumph fot Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 12:06 pm Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers Any opinions on the legality of hood louvers on a TR4?B Would the legality depend on the GCR you are using?B What about configuring the hood so that when it's closed it has an opening between it and the scuttle to let air escape instead of louvers? Thanks, DAn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue May 24 11:46:44 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 12:46:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers In-Reply-To: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: To the best of my knowledge they were never allowed under a vintage GCR. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of cofrog at q.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:07 PM To: triumph fot Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers Any opinions on the legality of hood louvers on a TR4?B Would the legality depend on the GCR you are using?B What about configuring the hood so that when it's closed it has an opening between it and the scuttle to let air escape instead of louvers? Thanks, DAn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 24 11:54:13 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:54:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination & Question for a friend In-Reply-To: <000401cc1a2f$42abeb50$c803c1f0$@rr.com> References: <000401cc1a2f$42abeb50$c803c1f0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CDE852B9DA232D-1E20-26D00@webmail-stg-d14.sysops.aol.com> affirmed here....dont know about aluminum flywheels no reports of problems on steel ones, fortunately. -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: 'William Rampe' ; 'Henry Frye' ; 'Donn Sopp' ; 'Don Marshall' ; 'Brad Kahler' ; spitfiresuz at 141.com; 'Bruce Stutzman' ; 'Jeff Snook' ; 'Joe Alexander' Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 11:25 am Subject: Nomination & Question for a friend This is twofold; FOT NOMINATION: First I would like to present Bill Rampe from the Rochester, NY area for membership to the great unwashed and get him added to the list. Bill races a Spitfire and has recently upgraded to an FE engine from a FC (thatbs Spitfire talk for more power!). Bill is good people and can always be seen with a grin from ear to ear after a good ride. Many of us have spent time with him at Mosport; Watkins Glen and Summit Point. So, if I can get a second on this we can include him in our ranks and prattle. An honor to call him friend! -------- Second is a question I pose on Billbs behalf. He had a flywheel failure at The Jefferson 500 where it sounds as though the center of the aluminum flywheel broke apart. He has a new bFidenzab aluminum flywheel on the shelf and is wondering if anyone has any experience with them before he uses it on his rebuild. I have used Tiltons in the past and also uprated the attachment to eight socket head cap screws. Any input out there from those racing. Webre not talking street car stuff here please. Huge differences between a 4000rpm street ride and an 8000rpm race engine! Thanks from Bill (wmrampe at yahoo.com) Russ Moore Spitfire #49 = From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Tue May 24 12:54:27 2011 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 14:54:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination & Question for a friend Message-ID: <002c01cc1a44$020a9cd0$061fd670$@rr.com> (resent due to prior error message) This is twofold; FOT NOMINATION: First I would like to present Bill Rampe from the Rochester, NY area for membership to the great unwashed and get him added to the list. Bill races a Spitfire and has recently upgraded to an FE engine from a FC (that's Spitfire talk for more power!). Bill is good people and can always be seen with a grin from ear to ear after a good ride. Many of us have spent time with him at Mosport; Watkins Glen and Summit Point. So, if I can get a second on this we can include him in our ranks and prattle. An honor to call him friend! -------- Second is a question I pose on Bill's behalf. He had a flywheel failure at The Jefferson 500 where it sounds as though the center of the aluminum flywheel broke apart. He has a new "Fidenza" aluminum flywheel on the shelf and is wondering if anyone has any experience with them before he uses it on his rebuild. I have used Tiltons in the past and also uprated the attachment to eight socket head cap screws. Any input out there from those racing. We're not talking street car stuff here please. Huge differences between a 4000rpm street ride and an 8000rpm race engine! Thanks from Bill (wmrampe at yahoo.com) Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From sgroh1 at comcast.net Tue May 24 13:41:06 2011 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:41:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination & Question for a friend In-Reply-To: <002c01cc1a44$020a9cd0$061fd670$@rr.com> References: <002c01cc1a44$020a9cd0$061fd670$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4ADB6824-15F7-47CE-88FE-3AF27F5FEB26@comcast.net> I'd be honored to second this nomination! Bill is a great guy, helpful in the pits, eager to learn and has the right attitude! Russ got it right! Steve Groh Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2011, at 12:54 PM, "Spitfire Racing" wrote: > (resent due to prior error message) > > > > This is twofold; > > FOT NOMINATION: > > First I would like to present Bill Rampe from the Rochester, NY area > for > membership to the great unwashed and get him added to the list. Bill > races a > Spitfire and has recently upgraded to an FE engine from a FC (that's > Spitfire talk for more power!). Bill is good people and can always > be seen > with a grin from ear to ear after a good ride. Many of us have > spent time > with him at Mosport; Watkins Glen and Summit Point. > > So, if I can get a second on this we can include him in our ranks and > prattle. An honor to call him friend! > > -------- > > Second is a question I pose on Bill's behalf. He had a flywheel > failure at > The Jefferson 500 where it sounds as though the center of the aluminum > flywheel broke apart. He has a new "Fidenza" aluminum flywheel on > the shelf > and is wondering if anyone has any experience with them before he > uses it on > his rebuild. I have used Tiltons in the past and also uprated the > attachment > to eight socket head cap screws. Any input out there from those > racing. > We're not talking street car stuff here please. Huge differences > between a > 4000rpm street ride and an 8000rpm race engine! > > > > Thanks from Bill (wmrampe at yahoo.com) > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1 at comcast.net From sgroh1 at comcast.net Tue May 24 13:42:48 2011 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:42:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Nomination & Question for a friend References: <4ADB6824-15F7-47CE-88FE-3AF27F5FEB26@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6FD54B88-B5B5-427D-91F5-7214DCDE8121@comcast.net> Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Steven Groh > Date: May 24, 2011 1:41:06 PM MDT > To: Spitfire Racing > Cc: "" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination & Question for a friend > > I'd be honored to second this nomination! Bill is a great guy, > helpful in the pits, eager to learn and has the right attitude! > Russ got it right! > > Steve Groh > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 24, 2011, at 12:54 PM, "Spitfire Racing" > wrote: > >> (resent due to prior error message) >> >> >> >> This is twofold; >> >> FOT NOMINATION: >> >> First I would like to present Bill Rampe from the Rochester, NY >> area for >> membership to the great unwashed and get him added to the list. >> Bill races a >> Spitfire and has recently upgraded to an FE engine from a FC (that's >> Spitfire talk for more power!). Bill is good people and can always >> be seen >> with a grin from ear to ear after a good ride. Many of us have >> spent time >> with him at Mosport; Watkins Glen and Summit Point. >> >> So, if I can get a second on this we can include him in our ranks and >> prattle. An honor to call him friend! >> >> -------- >> >> Second is a question I pose on Bill's behalf. He had a flywheel >> failure at >> The Jefferson 500 where it sounds as though the center of the >> aluminum >> flywheel broke apart. He has a new "Fidenza" aluminum flywheel on >> the shelf >> and is wondering if anyone has any experience with them before he >> uses it on >> his rebuild. I have used Tiltons in the past and also uprated the >> attachment >> to eight socket head cap screws. Any input out there from those >> racing. >> We're not talking street car stuff here please. Huge differences >> between a >> 4000rpm street ride and an 8000rpm race engine! >> >> >> >> Thanks from Bill (wmrampe at yahoo.com) >> >> >> >> Russ Moore >> >> Spitfire #49 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1 at comcast.net From kaskas at cox.net Tue May 24 18:19:13 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 00:19:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers In-Reply-To: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: At least until the end of 1972 this type hood modification was not allowed. i doubt if allowed later also.Too bad, as they do add a nice look ot the car and are very limited in improving the performance. BUT, shimming up the hinges at the rear of the hood worked pretty well. Also, having a strap across the hood at the back shows the corner workers that the hood is not loose and apt to fly off. Just suggestions, or maybe observations.. > Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:06:38 -0400 > From: cofrog at q.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers > > Any opinions on the legality of hood louvers on a TR4?B Would the legality > depend on the GCR you are using?B What about configuring the hood so that > when it's closed it has an opening between it and the scuttle to let air > escape instead of louvers? > > > > Thanks, > > > > DAn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 24 19:59:40 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 18:59:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] kastner cup Message-ID: I'd like to enter the Kastner Cup...Hope it's not too late...Please clue me in on the stuff... thanks Racer Bud..Spitfire # 21 From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon May 23 20:22:48 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 21:22:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Message-ID: The Morgan ran very well during the Marvelous May races at Eagles Canyon. Well, for the most part, at any rate... Those of you that wrench TR engines, please read and comment. Occasionally, when applying throttle, the TR4 engine seemed to run on two cylinders. It seemed to happen only after I had used more engine braking than usual, such as when coming up behind a slower car when approaching a turn, yet arriving too late to attempt a pass, initially never occurring when I was running in the clear. Changing up or down a gear would not immediately fix it. Pushing in the clutch and revving the engine up and down the rpm range did not immediately fix it. If I held steady throttle and just waited about 7-8 very long seconds (while waving following cars around me), it would eventually clear. I did not encounter a situation on the track where I was willing to just try letting it idle to see if that would resolve it, and it always cleared up before I left the track. The condition was either fully present or fully absent. I first thought that perhaps a plug change would fix it. The car has a Pertronix distributor and all the parts visually appear to be in good condition. Given that the engine runs strong and that no changes have been made since it was tuned on a dynamometer I was surprised to find the plugs somewhat dark. The car felt stronger with new plugs but the condition would still occur with about the same frequency. I tried avoiding letting the engine overrun and downshifted at the last second to draw less fuel into the cylinders, and I also tried a bit of left foot braking at the end of short straights, maintaining a bit of throttle while in gear. That worked pretty well at first and the condition happened only once per race after that until the final race on Sunday. Given all that I'd witnessed far, I reasoned that it was most likely fuel system-related. The carb dashpots were empty of oil (this didn't seem unreasonable, having recently read Kas' tuning books) and we topped them off with 20 weight oil. I couldn't remember when the K&N air filters had last been cleaned so we removed the air cleaners. No other changes were made to tuning. No dice. During the last race I couldn't string more than two corners together without a return of the condition, so I left the race rather than be a mobile chicane. I checked to see that the carb slides would drop easily on their own and those seemed just fine. What I witnessed seemed most consistently to follow engine braking. During the last race it might happen if I lifted throttle briefly, say in the middle of a twin-apex turn. I don't associate these conditions with ignition problems since it ran strongly otherwise. I considered a loose ignition wire shifting under deceleration as a possible cause, but this only seemed to happen after allowing the engine to overrun and did not happen after hard braking only. One potential cause for a carb change is that I removed the carbs to add an intake manifold brace, attempting to avoid changing any adjustments whatsoever. However, the possibility that I might have inadvertently tweaked the carb synchronization doesn't satisfactorily explain this condition for me. It did not correlate to ambient temperature and the engine never ran hot. I am wondering if a coil can give good enough spark to run the engine cleanly and strongly when the throttle is wide open yet allow the plugs to load up at smaller throttle settings. The car has a Bosch blue coil -- and... hmm! It's still mounted on the side of the engine, which I realize can create conditions for coil failure. My plan of attack is to first look for debris in the fuel system, however I don't expect to find anything, because if running it at full throttle in high gear didn't precipitate the condition, blockage or restriction would seem unlikely. If it relates to fuel sloshing forward under deceleration, I reason that heavy braking would likely have caused the same situation. If I find nothing there, my second plan is to check out the ignition system thoroughly before attempting to make any changes to the carbs. The engine ran without fault in February with the exact same carb settings. Thoughts? Suggestions? Duncan Charlton From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net Tue May 17 16:35:21 2011 From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (Chip Collingwood) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 18:35:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] unsubscribe Message-ID: <380-220115217223521140@earthlink.net> What is the procedure to unsubscribe from the FOT...thanks From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 17 10:36:26 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 12:36:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <661284962EDD40DEA2B29B986B372CE9@gdhs.local> Have not had a moments problem with mine.....their mount ......on roll bar......use the open back for better sound given the speed of our cars, there is not a wind noise problem...... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:51 AM To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... I'm not using their mount, but not tested it under race conditions. http://124racer.com/gallery/11/0505_GoPro_960/slides/IMG_2022.html http://124racer.com/gallery/11/0509_Accusump/slides/IMG_2045.html I used the mount last year. Manfrotto Super clamp with a quick release on a Sony POV camera. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVI3VLXH9TA&feature=player_embedded So the GoPro will be interesting. What back have you been running with? I did a test and did not like the full back audio. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYaxtxok6ak&feature=player_embedded A. On 17 May 2011 10:43, wrote: > I had the same trouble with mine, more than once. It shut down with > two laps > to go at the > > K-Cup race last year. It annoyed me to the point I bought a chase cam. > > > > > > jim g > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Spitfire Racing" > To: "MORDY DUNST" , fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:48:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... > > Mordy, > I have just one of the Go-Pro cameras and have problems with it > shutting down during a session. I emailed the company and they told me > it was > vibration(???) I am using all their mountings including their rollbar mount. > Had the same problem at VIR and also at Summit Point. I'll be back in > touch with them shortly to see what their comment is. The picture and > sound is exceptional, I just wish I could get a full session to > record. I'm recording > at 720 resolution (#2) and have a 32gig Kingston SD card in it. I'm > nowhere close to filling the card and in fact it stopped after > recording only a few meg worth at Summit Point last weekend. > Frustrating. I'll keep you in the loop. > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of MORDY DUNST > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:43 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... > > HMSA will email to each entrant (about 15 cars entered so far). prelim > notification. B Cris tells me that this will happen tonight. B Other > accompanying documentation later. > > B This is is such a cool track. B Just love the downhill after the Corkscrew. > > My engine and gearbox still out of the car.. but, hope to get them in > this weekend.... B I purchased two Go pro cameras and will try to get > them synched for some great vids in 1080p and 3d! > > M > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > www.Headgasket.com > 626.358.1616 ph1 > 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > > Triple R Munitions, Inc. > Class 6 B Certified F.F.L. > 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > GMT-8 Pacific > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From igofaster at att.net Tue May 24 21:34:58 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 20:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 turns 100,000 Message-ID: <502322.81746.qm@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I posted a Youtube video. I'm 1970GT6Racer. The video is 100kTR6. Bobby Whitehead ... From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Tue May 24 22:14:27 2011 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 21:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Non triumph - 2011 Indy 500 quiz Message-ID: <597478.16926.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I know it is off topic but this is the 100th anniversary of the Indy 500. Autoweek posted my quiz on their web site. I have been doing the quiz for about 20 years now and will attend my 32nd consecutive 500 this Sunday. Enjoy the quiz. http://www.autoweek.com/article/20110524/INDY100/110529906 Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 24 22:32:44 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 23:32:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] kastner cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110525043258.415A1187891@autox.team.net> Entry form is at the bottom of this web page: http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm Deadline was May 23, but I'll bet you could sweet talk an additional entry still. Tony Drews At 08:59 PM 5/24/2011, RACER BUD wrote: >I'd like to enter the Kastner Cup...Hope it's not too late...Please clue me in >on the stuff... >thanks >Racer Bud..Spitfire # 21 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed May 25 06:40:12 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 07:40:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <4ddc7d09.c158340a.3802.2c32SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <4ddc7d09.c158340a.3802.2c32SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Nine replies so far -- thanks, guys! There are a few things that I have not tried yet in there and I'll report back on what I find. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 25 06:46:25 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:46:25 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com> It seems to me a classic SU dirt problem. Debris is somewhere in float chamber and blocking from time to time the needle jet. Cheers Chris From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed May 25 07:19:48 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 09:19:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise Message-ID: While we are in the trouble shooting mode... I am helping a buddy with his TR6. Been fighting a clutch release issue. I THINK we might have resolved that, what a long strange trip that ended up being. While driving it with the trans cover off I discovered that his transmission howls like mad in fourth gear. Ok, I figure it is tired and needs a going over. I have the transmission from my TR6 sitting there so I swap it out thinking he can just use mine until he can get his rebuilt since mine is going to sit for a while yet. Put mine in and sure enough now mine howls in fourth gear. What the heck? Mine was quite as could be before I stopped driving the car. Is there something external to the transmission that would cause noise in just fourth gear? Marty From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed May 25 08:31:26 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:31:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] decal Message-ID: Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit Point Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will require a new coat of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal to replace the one that will be lost? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 25 08:40:00 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 16:40:00 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002301cc1ae9$a2ec9ea0$e8c5dbe0$@com> Maybe rear axle? Cheers Chris From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed May 25 09:12:21 2011 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 11:12:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? Message-ID: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> Mr. Hasty's need for a decal raises a point. Thanks John. It looks like we need a regalia coordinator.... Badges Decals Shirts Posters Since there is no real organization this isnt easily done. Any suggestions? Volunteers? There are some other things that need to be tightened up a bit in this non-organization. Change is not easy, but we can handle it. Joe A > Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit Point > Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will require a new > coat > of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal to replace the one that > will be lost? > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 25 09:19:06 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:19:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If the noise is only in fourth gear and it happened with two different trannies, and there was a clutch release issue I'd look closely at the alignment of the input shaft and the tranny case mount surface to the back of the engine. A misalignment there causes clutch problems and could put undue pressure on the input shaft. Does he have the tranny case locating dowels in place? Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:20 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise While we are in the trouble shooting mode... I am helping a buddy with his TR6. Been fighting a clutch release issue. I THINK we might have resolved that, what a long strange trip that ended up being. While driving it with the trans cover off I discovered that his transmission howls like mad in fourth gear. Ok, I figure it is tired and needs a going over. I have the transmission from my TR6 sitting there so I swap it out thinking he can just use mine until he can get his rebuilt since mine is going to sit for a while yet. Put mine in and sure enough now mine howls in fourth gear. What the heck? Mine was quite as could be before I stopped driving the car. Is there something external to the transmission that would cause noise in just fourth gear? Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed May 25 09:39:07 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 08:39:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0e4801cc1af1$e2b00a10$0301a8c0@randall> > Does he have the tranny case > locating dowels in place? Also the dowels that locate the rear plate to the engine block. -- Randall From brad.kahler at 141.com Wed May 25 09:42:51 2011 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 11:42:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? In-Reply-To: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> Message-ID: I nominate Joe A... :) On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > Mr. Hasty's need for a decal raises a point. Thanks John. > > It looks like we need a regalia coordinator.... > > Badges > Decals > Shirts > Posters > > Since there is no real organization this isnt easily done. > > Any suggestions? Volunteers? > > There are some other things that need to be tightened up a bit in this > non-organization. > > Change is not easy, but we can handle it. > > Joe A > > > > > > > > Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit Point > > Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will require a new > > coat > > of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal to replace the one that > > will be lost? > > > > John H. Hasty > > Attorney At Law > > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > > 719 East Boulevard > > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > > www.gdhs.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com From ac at camoletti.ch Wed May 25 10:08:36 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 18:08:36 +0200 Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? In-Reply-To: References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> Message-ID: <008001cc1af6$01318000$03948000$@camoletti.ch> Seconded! -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Brad Kahler Envoyi : mercredi 25 mai 2011 17:43 @ : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? I nominate Joe A... :) On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > Mr. Hasty's need for a decal raises a point. Thanks John. > > It looks like we need a regalia coordinator.... > > Badges > Decals > Shirts > Posters > > Since there is no real organization this isnt easily done. > > Any suggestions? Volunteers? > > There are some other things that need to be tightened up a bit in this > non-organization. > > Change is not easy, but we can handle it. > > Joe A > > > > > > > > Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit > > Point Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will > > require a new coat of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal > > to replace the one that will be lost? > > > > John H. Hasty > > Attorney At Law > > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > > 719 East Boulevard > > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > > www.gdhs.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed May 25 10:13:53 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 12:13:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? In-Reply-To: References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> Message-ID: <714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com> I second that! I was wondering about the same thing. I am willing to help out. Chris On May 25, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > I nominate Joe A... :) > > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > >> Mr. Hasty's need for a decal raises a point. Thanks John. >> >> It looks like we need a regalia coordinator.... >> >> Badges >> Decals >> Shirts >> Posters >> >> Since there is no real organization this isnt easily done. >> >> Any suggestions? Volunteers? >> >> There are some other things that need to be tightened up a bit in this >> non-organization. >> >> Change is not easy, but we can handle it. >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit Point >>> Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will require a new >>> coat >>> of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal to replace the one that >>> will be lost? >>> >>> John H. Hasty >>> Attorney At Law >>> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >>> 719 East Boulevard >>> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >>> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >>> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >>> E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com >>> www.gdhs.com >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From budscars at comcast.net Wed May 25 10:23:20 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 09:23:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Message-ID: <592654CF9246417F87427048BBDA6677@Bud> Thanks for all of the help Gang..I rcvd. an email from Chris..that there's no problem with sending my entry for KC in today...I'm looking forward to meeting everyone!.. RB From herald948 at aol.com Wed May 25 10:30:50 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 12:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise In-Reply-To: <0e4801cc1af1$e2b00a10$0301a8c0@randall> References: <0e4801cc1af1$e2b00a10$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <8CDE9103E41C05B-1164-27030@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> ...or a bent rear engine plate? I've heard tales of bent plates causing various problems. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Randall > Does he have the tranny case > locating dowels in place? Also the dowels that locate the rear plate to the engine block. From budscars at comcast.net Wed May 25 10:48:08 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 09:48:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise References: <0e4801cc1af1$e2b00a10$0301a8c0@randall> <8CDE9103E41C05B-1164-27030@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I have had a bent backing/engine plate...If someone has tried to tighten it down with the dowels not lined up, it may be bent...If it is bent, it will feel more difficult to install the tranny.(difficult to tighten the bolts)...If you find it is bent, a garage floor and a sledge hammer work fine to fix it. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Mace" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission noise > ...or a bent rear engine plate? I've heard tales of bent plates causing > various problems. > > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall > > >> Does he have the tranny case >> locating dowels in place? > > Also the dowels that locate the rear plate to the engine block. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 25 10:53:36 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 12:53:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? In-Reply-To: <714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com> References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> <714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> I keep hearing LYNDON JOHNSON's famous pronouncement echoing in my brain. A volunteer would be a very nice thing to have......especially with the 60th anniversary coming up and the 10th running of The Kastner Cup. We could look very good at this event next May. Work could be spread out among several people. I spend a lot of time on the FOT and necessarily trying to reduce my contact time. Thanks anyway Brad.... Joe A. -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: Brad Kahler Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 11:13 am Subject: Re: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? I second that! I was wondering about the same thing. I am willing to help out. Chris On May 25, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > I nominate Joe A... :) > > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > >> Mr. Hasty's need for a decal raises a point. Thanks John. >> >> It looks like we need a regalia coordinator.... >> >> Badges >> Decals >> Shirts >> Posters >> >> Since there is no real organization this isnt easily done. >> >> Any suggestions? Volunteers? >> >> There are some other things that need to be tightened up a bit in this >> non-organization. >> >> Change is not easy, but we can handle it. >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit Point >>> Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will require a new >>> coat >>> of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal to replace the one that >>> will be lost? >>> >>> John H. Hasty >>> Attorney At Law >>> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >>> 719 East Boulevard >>> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >>> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >>> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >>> E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com >>> www.gdhs.com >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From budscars at comcast.net Wed May 25 10:57:21 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 09:57:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise References: <0e4801cc1af1$e2b00a10$0301a8c0@randall><8CDE9103E41C05B-1164-27030@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3F0A9CE12ACA4DB4ACF05F48F78CA529@Bud> What I'm getting at is..The dowels may be lined up now, but the plate already bent.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: ; "Andrew Mace" Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission noise >I have had a bent backing/engine plate...If someone has tried to tighten it >down with the dowels not lined up, it may be bent...If it is bent, it will >feel more difficult to install the tranny.(difficult to tighten the >bolts)...If you find it is bent, a garage floor and a sledge hammer work >fine to fix it. > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Mace" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission noise > > >> ...or a bent rear engine plate? I've heard tales of bent plates causing >> various problems. >> >> >> >> --Andy Mace >> >> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? >> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph >> Herald engine with wings. >> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) >> >> Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph >> Register: http://www.vtr.org >> >> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph >> Herald >> Database: http://triumph-herald.us >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Randall >> >> >>> Does he have the tranny case >>> locating dowels in place? >> >> Also the dowels that locate the rear plate to the engine block. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 25 10:57:39 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 12:57:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise In-Reply-To: References: <0e4801cc1af1$e2b00a10$0301a8c0@randall><8CDE9103E41C05B-1164-27030@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDE913FD7CFD8C-2160-40111@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> if it is bent, i have one oem tr6 plate on the shelf or alloy plates at discount prices to FOT -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD To: fot at autox.team.net; Andrew Mace Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 11:48 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission noise I have had a bent backing/engine plate...If someone has tried to tighten it down with the dowels not lined up, it may be bent...If it is bent, it will feel more difficult to install the tranny.(difficult to tighten the bolts)...If you find it is bent, a garage floor and a sledge hammer work fine to fix it. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Mace" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission noise > ...or a bent rear engine plate? I've heard tales of bent plates causing > various problems. > > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall > > >> Does he have the tranny case >> locating dowels in place? > > Also the dowels that locate the rear plate to the engine block. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From billb at bnj.com Wed May 25 11:04:55 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:04:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? In-Reply-To: <8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> <714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com> <8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <19701E7C-3F05-4006-8344-096714C8A4A6@bnj.com> The problem with any volunteer group. Its always the same folks doing the work until they get burned out. And no, that doesn't mean I'm volunteering. On May 25, 2011, at 9:53 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > I keep hearing LYNDON JOHNSON's famous pronouncement echoing in my brain. > > A volunteer would be a very nice thing to have......especially with the 60th > anniversary coming up and the 10th running of The Kastner Cup. We could look > very good at this event next May. Work could be spread out among several > people. > > I spend a lot of time on the FOT and necessarily trying to reduce my contact > time. > > Thanks anyway Brad.... > > Joe A. From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 25 11:07:05 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 13:07:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LEGUNA SECA PRODUCT NEEDS? Commercial Message Message-ID: <8CDE9154EFDDFB5-2160-4053E@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> I am driving into Laguna Seca and bringing a few things.... KASTNER'S NEWEST BOOK for one thing. A limited quantity. If someone wants something or wants to look at anything, please let me know. Discounts will abound to the FOT at this event. Look at new website the-vintage-racer.com I will also have TONY DREWS new hubs and Chris Marx new rear seal to show, if anyone is interested. Likely just one piece of each. I leave this Saturday. Joe A From billb at bnj.com Wed May 25 11:14:40 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:14:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bummed In-Reply-To: <8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> <714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com> <8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I don't recall if I mentioned this, but Peyote and I WON'T be at Laguna. I had knee surgery last week and the doc says no. I was tempted to ignore him, consulted with a really good physical therapist, and he said absolutely not. I had a meniscus tear repaired and both say I'm six weeks away from being able to tolerate any potential shearing movement. If I open the repair it probably won't be able to be repaired as well as the first time because it will be tattered. Sucks, but at least the prognosis is good--after healing I should be quite a few years away from anything further. From billb at bnj.com Wed May 25 11:16:20 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:16:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? In-Reply-To: <8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> <714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com> <8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: The problem with any volunteer group. Its always the same folks doing the work until they get burned out. And no, I'm not volunteering. On May 25, 2011, at 9:53 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > I keep hearing LYNDON JOHNSON's famous pronouncement echoing in my brain. > > A volunteer would be a very nice thing to have......especially with the 60th > anniversary coming up and the 10th running of The Kastner Cup. We could look > very good at this event next May. Work could be spread out among several > people. > > I spend a lot of time on the FOT and necessarily trying to reduce my contact > time. > > Thanks anyway Brad.... > > Joe A. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed May 25 11:44:59 2011 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:44:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] LEGUNA SECA PRODUCT NEEDS? Commercial Message In-Reply-To: <8CDE9154EFDDFB5-2160-4053E@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDE9154EFDDFB5-2160-4053E@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: How about bringing A RACE CAR!??! On May 25, 2011, at 10:07 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > I am driving into Laguna Seca and bringing a few things.... > > KASTNER'S NEWEST BOOK for one thing. A limited quantity. > > If someone wants something or wants to look at anything, please let me know. > > Discounts will abound to the FOT at this event. > > Look at new website the-vintage-racer.com > > I will also have TONY DREWS new hubs and Chris Marx new rear seal to show, if > anyone is interested. > > Likely just one piece of each. I leave this Saturday. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed May 25 12:12:14 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:12:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hmmmm. Pretty sure, ok I'm positive there were no dowel pins in there. I thinking I should be able to put the missing two in place by just loosening things up and not pulling the tranny out for the what is it, the fourth time? Anyhow, we will give that a try tomorrow after work as he is planning on heading out of town with it on Friday. Thanks for the suggestion. Marty > From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com > To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:19:06 -0500 > Subject: RE: [Fot] Transmission noise > > If the noise is only in fourth gear and it happened with two different trannies, and there was a clutch release issue I'd look closely at the alignment of the input shaft and the tranny case mount surface to the back of the engine. A misalignment there causes clutch problems and could put undue pressure on the input shaft. Does he have the tranny case locating dowels in place? > > Bob Kramer > Texas Rental Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-687-7422 Office > 512-657-8526 Cell > > > Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:20 AM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise > > While we are in the trouble shooting mode... I am helping a buddy with his > TR6. Been fighting a clutch release issue. I THINK we might have resolved > that, what a long strange trip that ended up being. While driving it with the > trans cover off I discovered that his transmission howls like mad in fourth > gear. Ok, I figure it is tired and needs a going over. I have the > transmission from my TR6 sitting there so I swap it out thinking he can just > use mine until he can get his rebuilt since mine is going to sit for a while > yet. Put mine in and sure enough now mine howls in fourth gear. What the > heck? Mine was quite as could be before I stopped driving the car. Is there > something external to the transmission that would cause noise in just fourth > gear? > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From spitlist at cox.net Wed May 25 12:37:24 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 11:37:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bummed In-Reply-To: References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com><714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com><8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Come on Bill, I am sure that you will find several volunteers to drive for you! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:15 AM To: Joe Alexander; fot of Subject: [Fot] Bummed I don't recall if I mentioned this, but Peyote and I WON'T be at Laguna. I had knee surgery last week and the doc says no. I was tempted to ignore him, consulted with a really good physical therapist, and he said absolutely not. I had a meniscus tear repaired and both say I'm six weeks away from being able to tolerate any potential shearing movement. If I open the repair it probably won't be able to be repaired as well as the first time because it will be tattered. Sucks, but at least the prognosis is good--after healing I should be quite a few years away from anything further. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 25 12:58:31 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:58:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LEGUNA SECA PRODUCT NEEDS? Commercial Message In-Reply-To: References: <8CDE9154EFDDFB5-2160-4053E@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDE924E021100D-1B2C-3D190@webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com> the original plan was to bring TWO race cars..... I would have dipped into my 401k for this one....just didnt work out. Will have sons and more there....family event which is good. Looking forward to it. -----Original Message----- From: Steven Belfer To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 12:44 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] LEGUNA SECA PRODUCT NEEDS? Commercial Message How about bringing A RACE CAR!??! On May 25, 2011, at 10:07 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > I am driving into Laguna Seca and bringing a few things.... > > KASTNER'S NEWEST BOOK for one thing. A limited quantity. > > If someone wants something or wants to look at anything, please let me know. > > Discounts will abound to the FOT at this event. > > Look at new website the-vintage-racer.com > > I will also have TONY DREWS new hubs and Chris Marx new rear seal to show, if > anyone is interested. > > Likely just one piece of each. I leave this Saturday. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From horizonracing at msn.com Wed May 25 13:00:58 2011 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 12:00:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bummed In-Reply-To: References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com><714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com><8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com>, , Message-ID: Peytoe is quick too. Quailf. on pole after winter refresh. > From: spitlist at cox.net > To: billb at bnj.com; n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 11:37:24 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Bummed > > Come on Bill, I am sure that you will find several volunteers to drive for > you! > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:15 AM > To: Joe Alexander; fot of > Subject: [Fot] Bummed > > I don't recall if I mentioned this, but Peyote and I WON'T be at Laguna. I > had > knee surgery last week and the doc says no. I was tempted to ignore him, > consulted with a really good physical therapist, and he said absolutely not. > I > had a meniscus tear repaired and both say I'm six weeks away from being able > to tolerate any potential shearing movement. If I open the repair it > probably > won't be able to be repaired as well as the first time because it will be > tattered. > > Sucks, but at least the prognosis is good--after healing I should be quite a > few years away from anything further. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed May 25 16:24:29 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 17:24:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> I'm getting some well-thought out suggestions. Thanks to Michael P, Bob K, Tim M, Jim G, Tony (TR4 Tony), Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, and Bill B. My thoughts that it was fuel related seem to be supported by the fact that most of you mentioned fuel issues. So far: 1. Bowl vents clear? Hmm -- we do have mud dauber wasps around here! 2. Fuel foaming due to vibration? (X2) Possible, and perhaps the new manifold brace could add more vibration. 3. Sticky float or float needles? 4. Leaky floats? 5. Resonance due to new brace causing jets to sink down? (They're supported by a spring, but it makes sense that resonance could cause the spring to lose tension temporarily, the way a spring governor on a lawnmower engine does) 6. Needle(s) not properly seated in piston(s)? 7. Advance profile poor or advance mechanism sticking? 8. Loose engine ground cable? 9. Improper jetting for driving style? (Perhaps, but this didn't happen at TWS and seemed to get progressively worse at ECR even as I tried to prevent the problem by braking later and sometimes holding throttle pressure while braking) 10. Bowl lids (ie: float hinge point) oriented improperly)? No -- this one has been checked. The suggestion came from someone who was also asking whether it happened more when turning one direction and not another -- direction did not matter. 11. Dirt in carb? (X2) Fuel filter was clear when checked on Saturday but I haven't looked in the float bowls yet. I'll blow the lines back to the fuel cell (no rust seen in fuel cell when I cleaned it out a few months ago -- found silicone worm scraps, though) 12. Oiling plugs? 13. Intake tract leak? The suggestions will guide my investigation -- thanks, everyone! Duncan '52 Morgan red #6 From igofaster at att.net Wed May 25 18:16:03 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 17:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? In-Reply-To: References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> Message-ID: <814733.23520.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I roundly 2nd Joe A .... harrummph harrrrummph BG Whitehead ________________________________ From: Brad Kahler To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 10:42:51 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? I nominate Joe A... :) On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > Mr. Hasty's need for a decal raises a point. Thanks John. > > It looks like we need a regalia coordinator.... > > Badges > Decals > Shirts > Posters > > Since there is no real organization this isnt easily done. > > Any suggestions? Volunteers? > > There are some other things that need to be tightened up a bit in this > non-organization. > > Change is not easy, but we can handle it. > > Joe A > > > > > > > > Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit Point > > Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will require a new > > coat > > of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal to replace the one that > > will be lost? > > > > John H. Hasty > > Attorney At Law > > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > > 719 East Boulevard > > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > > www.gdhs.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 25 18:17:00 2011 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 20:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Big TR IRS Question Message-ID: Hi, If anyone on the list with an IRS big TR has used MGB "front" springs on the rear of your car, could you please contact me off list? It looks like the MGB front springs are the same (or close enough) ID and I want to try a very stiff rear suspension setup just for yucks. But I figured I'd ask if anyone has tried this before I shell out a couple hundred bucks to test the setup. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 25 19:22:23 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 21:22:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] REGALIA COORDINATOR? a new announcement. In-Reply-To: <814733.23520.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> <814733.23520.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDE95A7FDAA7E9-700-38D78@webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com> i've decided that we dont need a REGALIA COORDINATOR. we have gotten along just fine with volunteers like BOBBY and BRAD. Becoming too organized is a very slippery slope. -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: Brad Kahler Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 7:16 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? I roundly 2nd Joe A .... harrummph harrrrummph BG Whitehead ________________________________ From: Brad Kahler To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 10:42:51 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? I nominate Joe A... :) On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > Mr. Hasty's need for a decal raises a point. Thanks John. > > It looks like we need a regalia coordinator.... > > Badges > Decals > Shirts > Posters > > Since there is no real organization this isnt easily done. > > Any suggestions? Volunteers? > > There are some other things that need to be tightened up a bit in this > non-organization. > > Change is not easy, but we can handle it. > > Joe A > > > > > > > > Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit Point > > Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will require a new > > coat > > of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal to replace the one that > > will be lost? > > > > John H. Hasty > > Attorney At Law > > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > > 719 East Boulevard > > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > > www.gdhs.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Wed May 25 23:40:14 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 00:40:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> References: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110526054023.6AE0118765F@autox.team.net> I doubt this is the issue, but one issue that Jack had was a little piece of rubber from where the jet tube comes into the float bowl - it allowed enough fuel to get through that it ran but would occasionally block the jet causing the car to run like crap. Took over 5 carb disassemblies before it was found. Different symptoms to what you are having, though. If you have a fuel pressure gauge and EGT gauge (front and rear), you can tell whether it's going rich or lean. We fought issues with fuel pressure regulators (goes lean at end of long straight - pulling back on the gas pedal helps) and with vibration causing the fuel in the carb bowl to foam (goes rich - nothing you do with the gas pedal helps much), as well as the orientation of the top of the float bowl (one goes rich - keep the revs way up and the problem lessens as you clear the extra fuel more quickly). With the resonance deal foaming the fuel, it seemed that once it got started it would continue but if you could eke through the RPM that caused the issue the resonance would stop. It wouldn't always happen, though. This is a possibility, although what you described as trying for the workarounds should have taken care of this issue. Assuming that it is fuel related, it's a good idea to take the carbs apart and make sure everything is completely clean - no dirt in the bowl or lines. Tony At 05:24 PM 5/25/2011, Duncan Charlton wrote: >I'm getting some well-thought out suggestions. Thanks to Michael P, Bob K, >Tim M, Jim G, Tony (TR4 Tony), Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, and Bill B. > >My thoughts that it was fuel related seem to be supported by the fact that >most of you mentioned fuel issues. So far: >1. Bowl vents clear? Hmm -- we do have mud dauber wasps around here! >2. Fuel foaming due to vibration? (X2) Possible, and perhaps the new manifold >brace could add more vibration. >3. Sticky float or float needles? >4. Leaky floats? >5. Resonance due to new brace causing jets to sink down? (They're supported by >a spring, but it makes sense that resonance could cause the spring to lose >tension temporarily, the way a spring governor on a lawnmower engine does) >6. Needle(s) not properly seated in piston(s)? >7. Advance profile poor or advance mechanism sticking? >8. Loose engine ground cable? >9. Improper jetting for driving style? (Perhaps, but this didn't happen at >TWS and seemed to get progressively worse at ECR even as I tried to prevent >the problem by braking later and sometimes holding throttle pressure while >braking) >10. Bowl lids (ie: float hinge point) oriented improperly)? No -- this one >has been checked. The suggestion came from someone who was also asking >whether it happened more when turning one direction and not another -- >direction did not matter. >11. Dirt in carb? (X2) Fuel filter was clear when checked on Saturday but I >haven't looked in the float bowls yet. I'll blow the lines back to the fuel >cell (no rust seen in fuel cell when I cleaned it out a few months ago -- >found silicone worm scraps, though) >12. Oiling plugs? >13. Intake tract leak? > >The suggestions will guide my investigation -- thanks, everyone! > >Duncan >'52 Morgan red #6 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu May 26 06:58:23 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 07:58:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question References: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> <20110526054023.6AE0118765F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: With HS6's I haven't had a fuel foaming issue, but with my previous TR4, with H6's I struggled with them as Tony describes. I did three things and solved the problem. First I tried safety wire to secure the float bowls from shaking so much, with limited improvement. Second I had been advised that it was best to weld up the tranny mount into a solid mount to avoid failures , but I determined that this added to the resonance issues. I now fill the cavity of a stock mount with silicone, gradually so it cures. This is the "Air Triumph" mount. Lastly I placed 2" o-rings between the insulator block and the intake manifold surface (or was it the carb surface?). I used a 2" hole saw to cut a locating groove in the insulator and slightly longer studs to mnount the carbs. Worked for me. Bob Kramer -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 12:40 AM To: Duncan Charlton; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question I doubt this is the issue, but one issue that Jack had was a little piece of rubber from where the jet tube comes into the float bowl - it allowed enough fuel to get through that it ran but would occasionally block the jet causing the car to run like crap. Took over 5 carb disassemblies before it was found. Different symptoms to what you are having, though. If you have a fuel pressure gauge and EGT gauge (front and rear), you can tell whether it's going rich or lean. We fought issues with fuel pressure regulators (goes lean at end of long straight - pulling back on the gas pedal helps) and with vibration causing the fuel in the carb bowl to foam (goes rich - nothing you do with the gas pedal helps much), as well as the orientation of the top of the float bowl (one goes rich - keep the revs way up and the problem lessens as you clear the extra fuel more quickly). With the resonance deal foaming the fuel, it seemed that once it got started it would continue but if you could eke through the RPM that caused the issue the resonance would stop. It wouldn't always happen, though. This is a possibility, although what you described as trying for the workarounds should have taken care of this issue. Assuming that it is fuel related, it's a good idea to take the carbs apart and make sure everything is completely clean - no dirt in the bowl or lines. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu May 26 10:06:28 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 16:06:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Big TR IRS Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1522293346.505795.1306425988970.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I have not tried the MG springs. I found the uprated/lowered springs from BPNW with the adjustable Spax are plenty. I've run the dampening adjuster up to the point I was too stiff and had to back off to 1/2 - 5/8 position. It started getting loose with the stiff shock setting, even on fresh Hoosier R6's. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:17:00 PM Subject: [Fot] Big TR IRS Question Hi, If anyone on the list with an IRS big TR has used MGB "front" springs on the rear of your car, could you please contact me off list? It looks like the MGB front springs are the same (or close enough) ID and I want to try a very stiff rear suspension setup just for yucks. But I figured I'd ask if anyone has tried this before I shell out a couple hundred bucks to test the setup. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 26 11:01:22 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 10:01:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP SCHEDULE Message-ID: Hi Gang...does anyone have a K.Cup schedule that you can send me by email?..since i entered late, I don't have one yet. thanks budscars at comcast.net Racer Bud From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu May 26 12:00:50 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 13:00:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] =?iso-8859-1?q?Helical_Compression_Spring_Design_Equations_?= =?iso-8859-1?q?and_Calculator_-=A0Engineers_Edge?= Message-ID: <000d01cc1bce$db2eebc0$918cc340$@com> I found a pretty nice site showing the calculation of spring compression parameters. It has some nice calculators on it. Thought it might be of interest. http://www.engineersedge.com/spring_comp_calc.htm Tim From kaskas at cox.net Thu May 26 13:08:43 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 19:08:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: , , <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com>, <20110526054023.6AE0118765F@autox.team.net>, Message-ID: The TR3-4 engine is a maker of really really heavy vibration at about 5200 revs. In the engine dyno you cannot keep the carb bell in your hand the vibration is so severe at that rev. The gas in the bowl at that time is almost all foam. Amazing that engine runs at all there. "O" ringing the insulater blocks really helps a bunch. > From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 07:58:23 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question > > With HS6's I haven't had a fuel foaming issue, but with my previous TR4, with > H6's I struggled with them as Tony describes. I did three things and solved > the problem. First I tried safety wire to secure the float bowls from shaking > so much, with limited improvement. Second I had been advised that it was best > to weld up the tranny mount into a solid mount to avoid failures , but I > determined that this added to the resonance issues. I now fill the cavity of > a stock mount with silicone, gradually so it cures. This is the "Air Triumph" > mount. Lastly I placed 2" o-rings between the insulator block and the intake > manifold surface (or was it the carb surface?). I used a 2" hole saw to cut a > locating groove in the insulator and slightly longer studs to mnount the > carbs. Worked for me. > > Bob Kramer > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Tony Drews > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 12:40 AM > To: Duncan Charlton; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question > > I doubt this is the issue, but one issue that Jack had was a little > piece of rubber from where the jet tube comes into the float bowl - > it allowed enough fuel to get through that it ran but would > occasionally block the jet causing the car to run like crap. Took > over 5 carb disassemblies before it was found. Different symptoms to > what you are having, though. > > If you have a fuel pressure gauge and EGT gauge (front and rear), you > can tell whether it's going rich or lean. > > We fought issues with fuel pressure regulators (goes lean at end of > long straight - pulling back on the gas pedal helps) and with > vibration causing the fuel in the carb bowl to foam (goes rich - > nothing you do with the gas pedal helps much), as well as the > orientation of the top of the float bowl (one goes rich - keep the > revs way up and the problem lessens as you clear the extra fuel more > quickly). > > With the resonance deal foaming the fuel, it seemed that once it got > started it would continue but if you could eke through the RPM that > caused the issue the resonance would stop. It wouldn't always > happen, though. This is a possibility, although what you described > as trying for the workarounds should have taken care of this issue. > > Assuming that it is fuel related, it's a good idea to take the carbs > apart and make sure everything is completely clean - no dirt in the > bowl or lines. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From jfrymark at aol.com Thu May 26 14:14:38 2011 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 13:14:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] K Cup schedule Message-ID: <403CAF27-1F26-4C2B-B1AA-AD196175060D@aol.com> Just sent our by Cris: Greetings, Thank you for your entry in the June 7-8 LSR event. We are in the process of building the groups and schedule. As soon as we get those completed well send that information to you hopefully during the weekend. Best Regards, Cris Vandagriff From edenma at aol.com Thu May 26 14:42:27 2011 From: edenma at aol.com (edenma at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 16:42:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing in Hastings NE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDE9FC8F0BDFA3-15F8-69D3@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> OK Jim! Chris and I will commit to making the tow this year to Hastings. Cheers! Mark From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 26 15:41:35 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 17:41:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP SCHEDULE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDEA04D2120B3E-B20-4A36F@webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com> I would be interested in that information too. -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 12:01 pm Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP SCHEDULE Hi Gang...does anyone have a K.Cup schedule that you can send me by email?..since i entered late, I don't have one yet. thanks budscars at comcast.net Racer Bud _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Thu May 26 17:08:31 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 16:08:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Last Minute Entries for the Kastner Cup Message-ID: Gentlemen: The upcoming event is shaping up to be the largest ever gathering for the Kastner Cup with over 22 confirmed entries with a few more last minute participants hopefully able to attend. When we first approached HMSA over a year ago with the desire to hold the event at Laguna Seca we were enthusiastically received. Unfortunately, we were not told what the entry fee was until after we had committed to attend. The Kastner Cup committee was very, very unhappy with the $650 entry fee but were told that such was the expense of running without a sound restriction at Laguna Seca and with the class of cars expected at an HMSA event. No doubt that cost plus the unexpected ailments of Messrs. Miller, Babcock, et al., have conspired to hold down entries. We had originally hoped for 40 or more cars and we would still like to reach for close to that number. We have not received a schedule from HMSA but if there is any possibility whatsoever in making it we would love to have you. The West Coast FOT contingent in well known for their hospitality and banter and we will do everything in our power to make this an event to remember. It is still possible to register for the event and for those completing last minute repairs you can always show up and pay on arrival. Many of the cars competing at the Rolex Historics at Sonoma the weekend before will also be competing at the HMSA event with several cars also being flown in from Europe to participate so we should have a paddock full of truly historic cars on hand. California weather is expected to be on the cool side with temperatures of 76 degrees and clear skies so dress warmly! We hope to see you there. If you think you might be able to make it please let me know so we can work around logistics to ensure a great time. Thanks. -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 26 17:52:17 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 16:52:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Last Minute Entries for the Kastner Cup References: Message-ID: In regards to saving $ on hotel accomodations I might mention, John, that for those unfamiliar with the area around Laguna Seca...the city of Seaside is closer to the track than is Monterey, and room rates are generally lower..There are lots of motels along Fremont Blvd in Seaside...I just reserved a room at the Best Western Ramona Inn for 77.00 per night. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Nikas" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 4:08 PM Subject: [Fot] Last Minute Entries for the Kastner Cup > Gentlemen: > > The upcoming event is shaping up to be the largest ever gathering for the > Kastner Cup with over 22 confirmed entries with a few more last minute > participants hopefully able to attend. When we first approached HMSA over > a > year ago with the desire to hold the event at Laguna Seca we were > enthusiastically received. Unfortunately, we were not told what the entry > fee was until after we had committed to attend. The Kastner Cup committee > was very, very unhappy with the $650 entry fee but were told that such was > the expense of running without a sound restriction at Laguna Seca and with > the class of cars expected at an HMSA event. No doubt that cost plus the > unexpected ailments of Messrs. Miller, Babcock, et al., have conspired to > hold down entries. We had originally hoped for 40 or more cars and we > would > still like to reach for close to that number. We have not received a > schedule from HMSA but if there is any possibility whatsoever in making it > we would love to have you. The West Coast FOT contingent in well known for > their hospitality and banter and we will do everything in our power to > make > this an event to remember. It is still possible to register for the event > and for those completing last minute repairs you can always show up and > pay > on arrival. Many of the cars competing at the Rolex Historics at Sonoma > the > weekend before will also be competing at the HMSA event with several cars > also being flown in from Europe to participate so we should have a paddock > full of truly historic cars on hand. California weather is expected to be > on > the cool side with temperatures of 76 degrees and clear skies so dress > warmly! We hope to see you there. If you think you might be able to make > it > please let me know so we can work around logistics to ensure a great time. > Thanks. > > -- > Very truly yours, > > John Nikas > Cape Coventry Racing > www.capecoventryracing.com > (949) 375-6306 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 26 19:09:03 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 18:09:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner cup..Steve Froines Message-ID: <3E92CD2C79C74724B8E01B67829762D5@Bud> Hi Gang..Carl Stirtz has contacted Steve Froines(DP TR4 national Champ & Sebring Tr4 driver) about coming to Laguna, ...Steve will likely be attending....Steve is not big into the internet, ..can someone give me an FOT phone # that I can forward to Carl and Steve.. my email is budscars at comcast.net thanks Racer Bud From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu May 26 20:07:08 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 22:07:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] opinion need on FLAGS Message-ID: Amici, In getting prices here is what I have found out.... A double sided flag will run about $80. The words " Amici Triumphi" can be read correctly on both sides. Basically it is two flags sewn together. A single sides flag will run about $40. The words "Amici Triumphi" can be read correctly on ONE side, other side is reversed. Both are made of good quality material and able to be used outside. I am leaning toward a single sided flag. I am asking you fellow members what is your opinion. Thanks From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 26 20:31:32 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 22:31:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner cup..Steve Froines In-Reply-To: <3E92CD2C79C74724B8E01B67829762D5@Bud> References: <3E92CD2C79C74724B8E01B67829762D5@Bud> Message-ID: <8CDEA2D5354524D-178C-43609@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> steve froines, eh? kas will be pleased. you be cool, bud. -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 8:09 pm Subject: [Fot] Kastner cup..Steve Froines Hi Gang..Carl Stirtz has contacted Steve Froines(DP TR4 national Champ & Sebring Tr4 driver) about coming to Laguna, ...Steve will likely be attending....Steve is not big into the internet, ..can someone give me an FOT phone # that I can forward to Carl and Steve.. my email is budscars at comcast.net thanks Racer Bud _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 26 20:36:24 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 22:36:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] opinion need on FLAGS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDEA2E019C305B-178C-4370C@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> single sided flag. you have to run very fast to see both sides at the same time. and $40 is a better number. what is size and logo proportion? last ones were nice but logo too small. thanks for doing this..... -----Original Message----- From: christopher bock To: FoTTriumph Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 9:07 pm Subject: [Fot] opinion need on FLAGS Amici, In getting prices here is what I have found out.... A double sided flag will run about $80. The words " Amici Triumphi" can be read correctly on both sides. Basically it is two flags sewn together. A single sides flag will run about $40. The words "Amici Triumphi" can be read correctly on ONE side, other side is reversed. Both are made of good quality material and able to be used outside. I am leaning toward a single sided flag. I am asking you fellow members what is your opinion. Thanks _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri May 27 05:27:24 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 07:27:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FLAGS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9EC2683B-96AA-4BBC-82AC-63F5AE6056FB@aol.com> Amici, I was WRONG!!!! Price for a double sided is $30..... The logo is printed on. I am currently working on the proof with the makers. So far the proof looks good but a few changes are needed. Here is some info on the flag. www.the-flag-makers.com Size:: 60cm x 90cm (2\' x 3\') Quantity: 75 Colors: 6 Orientation: Landscape Prints: Double Sided 3 Layers Material:: Knitted polyester (Top Quality) Fixtures: Grommets 2 If your interested start sending money!! Paypal... SeaCubeCo at aol.com mail... Chris Bock, 3630 Italia Ave, Vineland, NJ, 08361 Chris On May 26, 2011, at 10:07 PM, christopher bock wrote: > Amici, > > In getting prices here is what I have found out.... > > A double sided flag will run about $80. The words " Amici Triumphi" can be > read correctly on both sides. Basically it is two flags sewn together. > > A single sides flag will run about $40. The words "Amici Triumphi" can be > read correctly on ONE side, other side is reversed. > > > Both are made of good quality material and able to be used outside. > > I am leaning toward a single sided flag. > > > I am asking you fellow members what is your opinion. > > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > > Christopher Bock www.SeaCubeCo.com SeaCubeCo at aol.com (609) 319-4322 From BillDentin at aol.com Fri May 27 08:04:21 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 10:04:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] opinion need on FLAGS Message-ID: <4017.78920772.3b110965@aol.com> In a message dated 05/26/2011 9:29:43 PM Central Daylight Time, SeaCubeCo at aol.com writes: > I am asking you fellow members what is your opinion. > I recognize and would readily accept the additional cost for a double sided flag, but would purchase either. Can both be made available? Bill Dentinger From cartravel at pobox.com Fri May 27 09:33:12 2011 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 10:33:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] O2 sensors and AFR Message-ID: <4DDFC438.9050507@pobox.com> I'm trying to use a normal narrow band O2 sensor to aid in dialing in an engine. I have a few questions about how these things work: 1. How quickly do they respond to a change, e.g. throttle position or load? 2. How is the AFR reading effected by temperature? 3. How does the AFR read if a cylinder is missing intermittently? Based on info found on the web, I welded the bung about 4 feet from the head. Documentation with the Westach gauge says it should be 600 degrees. Mine is running around 450. The way I understand it, the gauge fundamentally measures oxygen concentration. If a cylinder is misfiring, there will be oxygen and unburned fuel in the exhaust, not the same as a rich mixture in a cylinder that is firing. TIA Larry From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri May 27 10:17:48 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 18:17:48 +0200 Subject: [Fot] O2 sensors and AFR In-Reply-To: <4DDFC438.9050507@pobox.com> References: <4DDFC438.9050507@pobox.com> Message-ID: <001701cc1c89$a04f7180$e0ee5480$@com> I've written in Kas's book about these type of sensor. To answer your questions: 1. The sensor responds at once, in most cases the gauge is too slow, that's why I use a voltmeter instead 2. It is affected but after a few minutes there should be enough heat to make it work 3. You won't see this I'm afraid. I didn't test it but one or two missing strokes won't give a reading Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Larry Young Gesendet: Freitag, 27. Mai 2011 17:33 An: FOT Cc: Tom Young Betreff: [Fot] O2 sensors and AFR I'm trying to use a normal narrow band O2 sensor to aid in dialing in an engine. I have a few questions about how these things work: 1. How quickly do they respond to a change, e.g. throttle position or load? 2. How is the AFR reading effected by temperature? 3. How does the AFR read if a cylinder is missing intermittently? Based on info found on the web, I welded the bung about 4 feet from the head. Documentation with the Westach gauge says it should be 600 degrees. Mine is running around 450. The way I understand it, the gauge fundamentally measures oxygen concentration. If a cylinder is misfiring, there will be oxygen and unburned fuel in the exhaust, not the same as a rich mixture in a cylinder that is firing. TIA Larry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Fri May 27 15:21:03 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 07:21:03 +1000 Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright Message-ID: can anyone confirm if the taper machined into in the late model front upright (ie the type without a "hole" for the steering arm), is the same GT6 and Spitfire.???> The Gt6 uses bigger bearings and a bigger stub axle to match, and i think, a different taper. would like 100% confirmation if possible Terry From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 27 16:07:36 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 15:07:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't know the specific differences but they do carry different part numbers. The late Spit uprights are PN GSJ265 and 266, while the GT6 PNs are GSJ264 and 267. The differences may be just in the finished pieces and the Spit ones may be upgradeable. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 2:21 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright can anyone confirm if the taper machined into in the late model front upright (ie the type without a "hole" for the steering arm), is the same GT6 and Spitfire.???> The Gt6 uses bigger bearings and a bigger stub axle to match, and i think, a different taper. would like 100% confirmation if possible Terry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri May 27 16:36:25 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 18:36:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright Message-ID: <96603.c8a2599.3b118169@aol.com> I would expect them to be different but can't say for sure. I can get exact measurements for a GT6 stub axle if that will help. Anybody got a free Spitty one laying around? In a message dated 5/27/2011 3:31:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: I don't know the specific differences but they do carry different part numbers. The late Spit uprights are PN GSJ265 and 266, while the GT6 PNs are GSJ264 and 267. The differences may be just in the finished pieces and the Spit ones may be upgradeable. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 2:21 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright can anyone confirm if the taper machined into in the late model front upright (ie the type without a "hole" for the steering arm), is the same GT6 and Spitfire.???> The Gt6 uses bigger bearings and a bigger stub axle to match, and i think, a different taper. would like 100% confirmation if possible Terry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From herald948 at aol.com Fri May 27 16:41:56 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 18:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDEAD66AC9379C-183C-713F1@Webmail-m108.sysops.aol.com> Terry, just so I'm on the same page (or at least in the same library!), can you explain what you mean by "taper"? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Enquiries Road & Track can anyone confirm if the taper machined into in the late model front upright (ie the type without a "hole" for the steering arm), is the same GT6 and Spitfire.???> The Gt6 uses bigger bearings and a bigger stub axle to match, and i think, a different taper. would like 100% confirmation if possible From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 27 17:25:56 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 16:25:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright In-Reply-To: <8CDEAD66AC9379C-183C-713F1@Webmail-m108.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDEAD66AC9379C-183C-713F1@Webmail-m108.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <862E4247FC614EEA9844D8F5D1044E8E@Vista> I took that as meaning the tapered hole where the stub axle fits into. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Mace Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 3:42 PM To: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright Terry, just so I'm on the same page (or at least in the same library!), can you explain what you mean by "taper"? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Enquiries Road & Track can anyone confirm if the taper machined into in the late model front upright (ie the type without a "hole" for the steering arm), is the same GT6 and Spitfire.???> The Gt6 uses bigger bearings and a bigger stub axle to match, and i think, a different taper. would like 100% confirmation if possible _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri May 27 18:12:58 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 20:12:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright Message-ID: <2018e.7c11365b.3b11980a@aol.com> I would expect them to be different but can't say for sure. I can get exact measurements for a GT6 stub axle if that will help. Anybody got a free Spitty one laying around? In a message dated 5/27/2011 3:36:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: I would expect them to be different but can't say for sure. I can get exact measurements for a GT6 stub axle if that will help. Anybody got a free Spitty one laying around? In a message dated 5/27/2011 3:31:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: I don't know the specific differences but they do carry different part numbers. The late Spit uprights are PN GSJ265 and 266, while the GT6 PNs are GSJ264 and 267. The differences may be just in the finished pieces and the Spit ones may be upgradeable. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 2:21 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright can anyone confirm if the taper machined into in the late model front upright (ie the type without a "hole" for the steering arm), is the same GT6 and Spitfire.???> The Gt6 uses bigger bearings and a bigger stub axle to match, and i think, a different taper. would like 100% confirmation if possible Terry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From herald948 at aol.com Fri May 27 20:36:16 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 22:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright In-Reply-To: <862E4247FC614EEA9844D8F5D1044E8E@Vista> References: <8CDEAD66AC9379C-183C-713F1@Webmail-m108.sysops.aol.com> <862E4247FC614EEA9844D8F5D1044E8E@Vista> Message-ID: <8CDEAF726E9D5B2-183C-757FC@Webmail-m108.sysops.aol.com> If that's the case, the factory workshop manual shows that taper as 0.9995 - 1.0005" (25.413 - 25.387mm) on both types of vertical links. So the stub axles should be interchangeable? That makes sense (to me, anyway), since the GT6/Vitesse vertical link originated with the Herald. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry I took that as meaning the tapered hole where the stub axle fits into. From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Fri May 27 22:22:49 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 14:22:49 +1000 Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: thanks for rapid feedback folks. the GT6 uses the bigger wheel bearings in common with Triumph 2000, so the stub axle is larger in diameter where the 2 bearings sit. that much is 100% certain. i have Spitfire stub axles but dont have a genuine GT6 one to check what i'm trying to get confirmed, is if the taper where the stub-axle presses into the the upright is the same or different between GT6 & Spitfire 1500 (late upright). the hopeful end result of this query, is I'll buy some fatter/stronger late 1500 uprights which i'll modify for heim joint use (prototype already made) and use GT6 or T2000 stub axles with the big bearings. whislt I'm on this subject, can any of the Spitfire/GT6 racers reading this advise what camber and caster they are using. Our prototype lower heim joint system moves the base out 10mm to give about 2.5 degrees extra camber, and forward about 3mm to give about 0.75 degrees extra castor. terry From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri May 27 23:17:55 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 00:17:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: , , <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com>, <20110526054023.6AE0118765F@autox.team.net>, Message-ID: Thanks Kas. Even if my particular problem is caused to some degree by another problem it sounds like a good idea to shock mount the carb. Duncan On May 26, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > The TR3-4 engine is a maker of really really heavy vibration at about 5200 > revs. In the engine dyno you cannot keep the carb bell in your hand the > vibration is so severe at that rev. The gas in the bowl at that time is > almost all foam. Amazing that engine runs at all there. "O" ringing the > insulater blocks really helps a bunch. > >> From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 07:58:23 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question >> >> With HS6's I haven't had a fuel foaming issue, but with my previous TR4, > with >> H6's I struggled with them as Tony describes. I did three things and solved >> the problem. First I tried safety wire to secure the float bowls from > shaking >> so much, with limited improvement. Second I had been advised that it was > best >> to weld up the tranny mount into a solid mount to avoid failures , but I >> determined that this added to the resonance issues. I now fill the cavity > of >> a stock mount with silicone, gradually so it cures. This is the "Air > Triumph" >> mount. Lastly I placed 2" o-rings between the insulator block and the > intake >> manifold surface (or was it the carb surface?). I used a 2" hole saw to cut > a >> locating groove in the insulator and slightly longer studs to mnount the >> carbs. Worked for me. >> >> Bob Kramer >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf >> Of Tony Drews >> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 12:40 AM >> To: Duncan Charlton; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question >> >> I doubt this is the issue, but one issue that Jack had was a little >> piece of rubber from where the jet tube comes into the float bowl - >> it allowed enough fuel to get through that it ran but would >> occasionally block the jet causing the car to run like crap. Took >> over 5 carb disassemblies before it was found. Different symptoms to >> what you are having, though. >> >> If you have a fuel pressure gauge and EGT gauge (front and rear), you >> can tell whether it's going rich or lean. >> >> We fought issues with fuel pressure regulators (goes lean at end of >> long straight - pulling back on the gas pedal helps) and with >> vibration causing the fuel in the carb bowl to foam (goes rich - >> nothing you do with the gas pedal helps much), as well as the >> orientation of the top of the float bowl (one goes rich - keep the >> revs way up and the problem lessens as you clear the extra fuel more >> quickly). >> >> With the resonance deal foaming the fuel, it seemed that once it got >> started it would continue but if you could eke through the RPM that >> caused the issue the resonance would stop. It wouldn't always >> happen, though. This is a possibility, although what you described >> as trying for the workarounds should have taken care of this issue. >> >> Assuming that it is fuel related, it's a good idea to take the carbs >> apart and make sure everything is completely clean - no dirt in the >> bowl or lines. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From jameselbe at aol.com Sat May 28 09:39:54 2011 From: jameselbe at aol.com (jameselbe at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 11:39:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> References: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CDEB649FEA9588-14A0-23596@webmail-m042.sysops.aol.com> Here's one from left field. I had a similar problem on my TR4 racer. In my case the ignition was a couple of degrees too far advanced. When the car got hot it would sputter. Slow down for a short time and it would clear up and run fine for a few laps. Drove me crazy for a long time. Turned back ignition ,problem went away and never happened again. Same thing happened on my buddies MGB racer. -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 4:24 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question I'm getting some well-thought out suggestions. Thanks to Michael P, Bob K, im M, Jim G, Tony (TR4 Tony), Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, and Bill B. My thoughts that it was fuel related seem to be supported by the fact that ost of you mentioned fuel issues. So far: . Bowl vents clear? Hmm -- we do have mud dauber wasps around here! . Fuel foaming due to vibration? (X2) Possible, and perhaps the new manifold race could add more vibration. . Sticky float or float needles? . Leaky floats? . Resonance due to new brace causing jets to sink down? (They're supported by spring, but it makes sense that resonance could cause the spring to lose ension temporarily, the way a spring governor on a lawnmower engine does) . Needle(s) not properly seated in piston(s)? . Advance profile poor or advance mechanism sticking? . Loose engine ground cable? . Improper jetting for driving style? (Perhaps, but this didn't happen at WS and seemed to get progressively worse at ECR even as I tried to prevent he problem by braking later and sometimes holding throttle pressure while raking) 0. Bowl lids (ie: float hinge point) oriented improperly)? No -- this one as been checked. The suggestion came from someone who was also asking hether it happened more when turning one direction and not another -- irection did not matter. 1. Dirt in carb? (X2) Fuel filter was clear when checked on Saturday but I aven't looked in the float bowls yet. I'll blow the lines back to the fuel ell (no rust seen in fuel cell when I cleaned it out a few months ago -- ound silicone worm scraps, though) 2. Oiling plugs? 3. Intake tract leak? The suggestions will guide my investigation -- thanks, everyone! Duncan 52 Morgan red #6 ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jameselbe at aol.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat May 28 11:09:23 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 12:09:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <8CDEB649FEA9588-14A0-23596@webmail-m042.sysops.aol.com> References: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> <8CDEB649FEA9588-14A0-23596@webmail-m042.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001cc1d59$fe5b4170$fb11c450$@com> Just curious, how much total advance did you have when you were having the problem? Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jameselbe at aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 10:40 AM To: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Here's one from left field. I had a similar problem on my TR4 racer. In my case the ignition was a couple of degrees too far advanced. When the car got hot it would sputter. Slow down for a short time and it would clear up and run fine for a few laps. Drove me crazy for a long time. Turned back ignition ,problem went away and never happened again. Same thing happened on my buddies MGB racer. -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 4:24 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question I'm getting some well-thought out suggestions. Thanks to Michael P, Bob K, im M, Jim G, Tony (TR4 Tony), Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, and Bill B. My thoughts that it was fuel related seem to be supported by the fact that ost of you mentioned fuel issues. So far: . Bowl vents clear? Hmm -- we do have mud dauber wasps around here! . Fuel foaming due to vibration? (X2) Possible, and perhaps the new manifold race could add more vibration. . Sticky float or float needles? . Leaky floats? . Resonance due to new brace causing jets to sink down? (They're supported by spring, but it makes sense that resonance could cause the spring to lose ension temporarily, the way a spring governor on a lawnmower engine does) . Needle(s) not properly seated in piston(s)? . Advance profile poor or advance mechanism sticking? . Loose engine ground cable? . Improper jetting for driving style? (Perhaps, but this didn't happen at WS and seemed to get progressively worse at ECR even as I tried to prevent he problem by braking later and sometimes holding throttle pressure while raking) 0. Bowl lids (ie: float hinge point) oriented improperly)? No -- this one as been checked. The suggestion came from someone who was also asking hether it happened more when turning one direction and not another -- irection did not matter. 1. Dirt in carb? (X2) Fuel filter was clear when checked on Saturday but I aven't looked in the float bowls yet. I'll blow the lines back to the fuel ell (no rust seen in fuel cell when I cleaned it out a few months ago -- ound silicone worm scraps, though) 2. Oiling plugs? 3. Intake tract leak? The suggestions will guide my investigation -- thanks, everyone! Duncan 52 Morgan red #6 ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jameselbe at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From jameselbe at aol.com Sun May 29 09:30:51 2011 From: jameselbe at aol.com (jameselbe at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 11:30:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <000001cc1d59$fe5b4170$fb11c450$@com> References: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> <8CDEB649FEA9588-14A0-23596@webmail-m042.sysops.aol.com> <000001cc1d59$fe5b4170$fb11c450$@com> Message-ID: <8CDEC2C86939782-1988-4DB1@webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com> If I remember correctly it was about 36-37 degrees. Dan, I'm planning on going to Pueblo. Don't know about Neb. yet. Jim TR4 #223 -----Original Message----- From: Tim Murphy To: jameselbe at aol.com; duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 28, 2011 11:09 am Subject: RE: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Just curious, how much total advance did you have when you were having the roblem? Tim -----Original Message----- rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On ehalf Of jameselbe at aol.com ent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 10:40 AM o: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net ubject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Here's one from left field. I had a similar problem on my TR4 racer. In my ase the ignition was a couple of degrees too far advanced. When the car got ot it would sputter. Slow down for a short time and it would clear up and un ine for a few laps. Drove me crazy for a long time. Turned back ignition problem went away and never happened again. Same thing happened on my uddies GB racer. ----Original Message----- rom: Duncan Charlton o: fot at autox.team.net ent: Wed, May 25, 2011 4:24 pm ubject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question 'm getting some well-thought out suggestions. Thanks to Michael P, Bob K, m M, Jim G, Tony (TR4 Tony), Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, and Bill B. y thoughts that it was fuel related seem to be supported by the fact that st of you mentioned fuel issues. So far: Bowl vents clear? Hmm -- we do have mud dauber wasps around here! Fuel foaming due to vibration? (X2) Possible, and perhaps the new anifold ace could add more vibration. Sticky float or float needles? Leaky floats? Resonance due to new brace causing jets to sink down? (They're supported y spring, but it makes sense that resonance could cause the spring to lose nsion temporarily, the way a spring governor on a lawnmower engine does) Needle(s) not properly seated in piston(s)? Advance profile poor or advance mechanism sticking? Loose engine ground cable? Improper jetting for driving style? (Perhaps, but this didn't happen at S and seemed to get progressively worse at ECR even as I tried to prevent e problem by braking later and sometimes holding throttle pressure while aking) . Bowl lids (ie: float hinge point) oriented improperly)? No -- this one s been checked. The suggestion came from someone who was also asking ether it happened more when turning one direction and not another -- rection did not matter. . Dirt in carb? (X2) Fuel filter was clear when checked on Saturday but I ven't looked in the float bowls yet. I'll blow the lines back to the fuel ll (no rust seen in fuel cell when I cleaned it out a few months ago -- und silicone worm scraps, though) . Oiling plugs? . Intake tract leak? he suggestions will guide my investigation -- thanks, everyone! uncan 2 Morgan red #6 _____________________________________________ t at autox.team.net ttp://www.fot-racing.com onate: http://www.team.net/donate.html chive: http://www.team.net/archive rums: http://www.team.net/forums subscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jameselbe at aol.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 30 12:03:01 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 12:03:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances Message-ID: <20110530180533.85397187660@autox.team.net> FoT, I can't seem to locate much information on TR-4 cam bearings. I'm sure many would appreciate any input on the following topics. I'm seeing some wear on my cam and bearings that needs to be addressed now. Questions are as follows; What are racing clearances for front bearing. What are racing clearances for the other three bearings. Does anyone use friction reducing coatings on their cam bearings. Cam thrust..any info. Cam bearing type & manufacture. Any hot tips for cam bearings and overall longevity. Thanks for the input as always, jim g From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 30 13:30:41 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 13:30:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing Message-ID: <20110530193313.4C24F187650@autox.team.net> FoT, I'm considering building a tool that will flush oil lines, brake lines and fuel lines while left in the car. This can be accomplished with a harbor freight parts washer and some adapter fittings, hoses and filters. The part I'm hung up on is the solvent used. My first thought was denatured alcohol because with compressed air used after the flushing any residue would easily evaporate. Two things came up, flash point and erosion of rubber lines. If anybody has any thoughts on such a tool that won't blow up, eat rubber lines and won't leave residue please jump in. as always, jim g From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Mon May 30 14:12:47 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 16:12:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing Message-ID: <13fa3.2055c884.3b15543f@aol.com> When I converted to silicone I used denatured alcohol with no problems. Sam In a message dated 5/30/2011 2:33:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: FoT, I'm considering building a tool that will flush oil lines, brake lines and fuel lines while left in the car. This can be accomplished with a harbor freight parts washer and some adapter fittings, hoses and filters. The part I'm hung up on is the solvent used. My first thought was denatured alcohol because with compressed air used after the flushing any residue would easily evaporate. Two things came up, flash point and erosion of rubber lines. If anybody has any thoughts on such a tool that won't blow up, eat rubber lines and won't leave residue please jump in. as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From igofaster at att.net Mon May 30 15:49:56 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 14:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing In-Reply-To: <20110530193313.4C24F187650@autox.team.net> References: <20110530193313.4C24F187650@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <374292.67234.qm@web180809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> As I have not yet flushed my oil lines out from engine failure, I too would like input on the best way to clean out the oil lines. I thought about a water hose with a strong nozzle. I also thought about running the hoses through my parts washer with kerosene. About a dozen times each hose? Comments? Bobby Whitehead To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 2:30:41 PM Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing FoT, I'm considering building a tool that will flush oil lines, brake lines and fuel lines while left in the car. This can be accomplished with a harbor freight parts washer and some adapter fittings, hoses and filters. The part I'm hung up on is the solvent used. My first thought was denatured alcohol because with compressed air used after the flushing any residue would easily evaporate. Two things came up, flash point and erosion of rubber lines. If anybody has any thoughts on such a tool that won't blow up, eat rubber lines and won't leave residue please jump in. as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 30 16:16:23 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 16:16:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing In-Reply-To: <13fa3.2055c884.3b15543f@aol.com> Message-ID: <20110530221855.89A0618766F@autox.team.net> "When I converted to silicone I used denatured alcohol with no problems." Through a parts washer ? _____ From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com [mailto:TRDOCTOR at aol.com] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 2:13 PM To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil line flushing When I converted to silicone I used denatured alcohol with no problems. Sam In a message dated 5/30/2011 2:33:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: FoT, I'm considering building a tool that will flush oil lines, brake lines and fuel lines while left in the car. This can be accomplished with a harbor freight parts washer and some adapter fittings, hoses and filters. The part I'm hung up on is the solvent used. My first thought was denatured alcohol because with compressed air used after the flushing any residue would easily evaporate. Two things came up, flash point and erosion of rubber lines. If anybody has any thoughts on such a tool that won't blow up, eat rubber lines and won't leave residue please jump in. as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Mon May 30 16:52:47 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 18:52:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing Message-ID: <18377.44513dfd.3b1579bf@aol.com> No. I just opened up the bleeders and poured it through and blew it out with compressed air. No problerms. Sam In a message dated 5/30/2011 5:18:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: bWhen I converted to silicone I used denatured alcohol with no problems.b Through a parts washer ? ____________________________________ From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com [mailto:TRDOCTOR at aol.com] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 2:13 PM To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil line flushing When I converted to silicone I used denatured alcohol with no problems. Sam In a message dated 5/30/2011 2:33:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: FoT, I'm considering building a tool that will flush oil lines, brake lines and fuel lines while left in the car. This can be accomplished with a harbor freight parts washer and some adapter fittings, hoses and filters. The part I'm hung up on is the solvent used. My first thought was denatured alcohol because with compressed air used after the flushing any residue would easily evaporate. Two things came up, flash point and erosion of rubber lines. If anybody has any thoughts on such a tool that won't blow up, eat rubber lines and won't leave residue please jump in. as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon May 30 17:46:10 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 18:46:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D392@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I usually take them to one of those self service car wash places and shoot high pressure hot soapy water through them, switching ends a few times. If you do this, make sure you have the nozzle firmly in the fitting before pulling the trigger. If not, that high pressure water can tear a big hole in your hand. Io can show you the scars. :-) Scott B. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: Jim Gray Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Mon May 30 16:49:56 2011 Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil line flushing As I have not yet flushed my oil lines out from engine failure, I too would like input on the best way to clean out the oil lines. I thought about a water hose with a strong nozzle. I also thought about running the hoses through my parts washer with kerosene. About a dozen times each hose? Comments? Bobby Whitehead To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 2:30:41 PM Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing FoT, I'm considering building a tool that will flush oil lines, brake lines and fuel lines while left in the car. This can be accomplished with a harbor freight parts washer and some adapter fittings, hoses and filters. The part I'm hung up on is the solvent used. My first thought was denatured alcohol because with compressed air used after the flushing any residue would easily evaporate. Two things came up, flash point and erosion of rubber lines. If anybody has any thoughts on such a tool that won't blow up, eat rubber lines and won't leave residue please jump in. as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From trdoctor at aol.com Mon May 30 21:31:35 2011 From: trdoctor at aol.com (trdoctor at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 22:31:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Smog Pump In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D392@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D392@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: My friend.and fellow club member, John Phillips, is working on another member's TR8 and is having problems withe engine running too rich. The carbs have been rebuilt and an electric fuel pump has been installed supposedly of the proper pressure. Also the smog pump has had the belt removed. Could the smog pump have something to do with the rich condition? Any suggestions? Sam From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon May 30 22:51:00 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 21:51:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup @ Laguna Seca Message-ID: <4DE473B4.7040403@comcast.net> Well, I got the trailer prepped today for the long tow to California. The car's virtually ready. Still waiting to see a schedule and an entry list. Anyone else seen anything? From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue May 31 08:11:47 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 07:11:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup @ Laguna Seca References: <4DE473B4.7040403@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43500E7F5D3D4EBFAFD226606FA2F761@Charly> Me neither. It'd be nice to see something before making the haul from Tacoma WA. Charly Mitchel TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Norlin" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 9:51 PM Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup @ Laguna Seca > Well, I got the trailer prepped today for the long tow to California. The > car's virtually ready. Still waiting to see a schedule and an entry list. > Anyone else seen anything? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue May 31 09:30:05 2011 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 08:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Classic Message-ID: <69799.15081.qm@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Might as well start asking; anyone have a crew pass for the Blackhawk Classic I could use? Thanks, Ernie From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue May 31 11:20:26 2011 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 10:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Classic pass obtained Message-ID: <692118.77985.qm@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thanks to Beady Eye Racing I'm set. From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue May 31 12:15:32 2011 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 18:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Laguna crew pass? In-Reply-To: <1204912802.959448.1306865702362.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <670072297.959516.1306865732536.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Does anyone have an extra crew pass for the Kastner Cup event? I'll be 'crewsing' around, ready and willing to help where and when needed. Thanks, Dave Hogye From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Tue May 31 12:52:32 2011 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 14:52:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question References: <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com> Message-ID: <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae> Ken Gillanders told me a racing story many years ago from the late 1950s. Maybe it applies here. It seems that a racing Mini had two fire extinguisher bottles. One bottle was filled with the approved fire extinguisher inside. The other was filled with pure nitrogen and the driver would flick a switch that released a sudden huge mass of nitrogen out through small holes in a copper pipe hidden under the rear bumper. Every corner - just like you Duncan - the cars following would seem to suffer fuel starvation problems and by the time the cars following got un-spluttered again, the Mini was far gone. You need oxygen in the air/fuel mixture - not pure nitrogen and fuel. Leave it up to Ken to tell a great story ! ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question > It seems to me a classic SU dirt problem. > Debris is somewhere in float chamber and blocking from time to time the > needle jet. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca From gaf3 at charter.net Tue May 31 13:05:00 2011 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 15:05:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cam Timing Degree Specs Message-ID: <4DE53BDC.2020807@charter.net> Hi I putting a late model 74 TR6 back together after a rebuild. I'm attempting to time the cam. This one has no marks on the gears since it had been replaced. I have the degree wheel set up but I'm having difficulty finding the cam specs for a stock TR6 Cam? And if found what amount of lift does the specs relate to (.050"??) on this engine. Can anyone out there point me in the right direction. The head has not been installed and I have the degree wheel set and the dial indicator taking measurements off the pushrod. Thanks in advance Glenn From billb at bnj.com Tue May 31 13:34:48 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 12:34:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae> References: <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com> <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae> Message-ID: <64BACA4B-B3ED-4D74-9CBF-7F6A78D61B82@bnj.com> Great story, highly unlikely. You'd need a huge volume to do anything in an unconstrained, turbulent space like that. On May 31, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Don Elliott wrote: > Ken Gillanders told me a racing story many years ago from the late 1950s. Maybe it applies here. > > It seems that a racing Mini had two fire extinguisher bottles. One bottle was filled with the approved fire extinguisher inside. The other was filled with pure nitrogen and the driver would flick a switch that released a sudden huge mass of nitrogen out through small holes in a copper pipe hidden under the rear bumper. Every corner - just like you Duncan - the cars following would seem to suffer fuel starvation problems and by the time the cars following got un-spluttered again, the Mini was far gone. > > You need oxygen in the air/fuel mixture - not pure nitrogen and fuel. > > Leave it up to Ken to tell a great story ! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:46 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question > > >> It seems to me a classic SU dirt problem. >> Debris is somewhere in float chamber and blocking from time to time the >> needle jet. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From bownes at seiri.com Tue May 31 13:53:35 2011 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 15:53:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <64BACA4B-B3ED-4D74-9CBF-7F6A78D61B82@bnj.com> References: <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com> <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae> <64BACA4B-B3ED-4D74-9CBF-7F6A78D61B82@bnj.com> Message-ID: <21DAB3B5-7C5A-4FF8-BA3B-09368EF362DF@seiri.com> Now if your mix is adjustable and you can dump a bunch of O2 right in front of your own intake...:) On May 31, 2011, at 15:34, Bill Babcock wrote: > Great story, highly unlikely. You'd need a huge volume to do anything in an > unconstrained, turbulent space like that. > > On May 31, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Don Elliott wrote: > >> Ken Gillanders told me a racing story many years ago from the late 1950s. > Maybe it applies here. >> >> It seems that a racing Mini had two fire extinguisher bottles. One bottle > was filled with the approved fire extinguisher inside. The other was filled > with pure nitrogen and the driver would flick a switch that released a sudden > huge mass of nitrogen out through small holes in a copper pipe hidden under > the rear bumper. Every corner - just like you Duncan - the cars following > would seem to suffer fuel starvation problems and by the time the cars > following got un-spluttered again, the Mini was far gone. >> >> You need oxygen in the air/fuel mixture - not pure nitrogen and fuel. >> >> Leave it up to Ken to tell a great story ! >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:46 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question >> >> >>> It seems to me a classic SU dirt problem. >>> Debris is somewhere in float chamber and blocking from time to time the >>> needle jet. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Chris >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >> >> > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From jason at multivintage.com Tue May 31 13:58:04 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 14:58:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Race report and Gt6 Tie rod set? Message-ID: Amici, I had my best racing weekend to date at blackhawk farms this weekend. My GT6 was on fire. I started 10th after qualifying on dry tires in the pouring rain. With off and on heavy rain before the race I had no choice but to go out on rain tires... then it stopped raining just as we made our way to the grid. Looking for wetness on the outside of turns and taking some very strange lines to keep my tires cool on the drying track I kept getting faster and faster as the race went on, lapping very fast cars and picking off cars at a rapid pace. With a few laps left, I saw the leader in sight and made a hard charge for the front now with little regard for conserving the tires.I was back and forth for second many times. With one lap to go I was 3rd, nose to tail 1,2,3 with lapped traffic in the mix ahead of us. Out of the last turn we dragged raced 3 wide to the checkered. I ended up in second place, .02 ahead of third and just missing my first victory...a mere .8 second behind. It was totally awesome. In other Triumph news... Scott Barr had a solid run in his Spitfire moving up through the field from the back of the grid to finish 10th. He moved up 10 spots. The only other Triumph, Gade Snodgrass,Running in the F prod group Broke his 3rd rear trans extension in as many races, and is struggling to figure out how to get his Tilton clutch to work properly. ??? Now that I'm done with my moment of glory, I need new gt6 tie rods. Looks like only some of the piece are available in Vic Brit catalogue I don't think the washer set they have available is enough to fix the major amount of steering play I have and I would like to replace the whole thing. Two questions, is there something better I should be using for a Tie rod end... and where should I get some new ones? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From kaskas at cox.net Tue May 31 14:27:37 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 20:27:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <21DAB3B5-7C5A-4FF8-BA3B-09368EF362DF@seiri.com> References: , <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com>, <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae>, <64BACA4B-B3ED-4D74-9CBF-7F6A78D61B82@bnj.com>, <21DAB3B5-7C5A-4FF8-BA3B-09368EF362DF@seiri.com> Message-ID: Boy, is that ever a stretch of the imagination. Never be beaten by equipment > From: bownes at seiri.com > Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 15:53:35 -0400 > To: billb at bnj.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question > > Now if your mix is adjustable and you can dump a bunch of O2 right in front of > your own intake...:) > > > > On May 31, 2011, at 15:34, Bill Babcock wrote: > > > Great story, highly unlikely. You'd need a huge volume to do anything in an > > unconstrained, turbulent space like that. > > > > On May 31, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Don Elliott wrote: > > > >> Ken Gillanders told me a racing story many years ago from the late 1950s. > > Maybe it applies here. > >> > >> It seems that a racing Mini had two fire extinguisher bottles. One bottle > > was filled with the approved fire extinguisher inside. The other was > filled > > with pure nitrogen and the driver would flick a switch that released a > sudden > > huge mass of nitrogen out through small holes in a copper pipe hidden under > > the rear bumper. Every corner - just like you Duncan - the cars following > > would seem to suffer fuel starvation problems and by the time the cars > > following got un-spluttered again, the Mini was far gone. > >> > >> You need oxygen in the air/fuel mixture - not pure nitrogen and fuel. > >> > >> Leave it up to Ken to tell a great story ! > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" > >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:46 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question > >> > >> > >>> It seems to me a classic SU dirt problem. > >>> Debris is somewhere in float chamber and blocking from time to time the > >>> needle jet. > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> Chris > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > >> > >> > > > > Bill Babcock > > billb at bnj.com > > 503.936.7660 > > www.bnj.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 31 14:34:29 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 13:34:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: , <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com>, <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae>, <64BACA4B-B3ED-4D74-9CBF-7F6A78D61B82@bnj.com>, <21DAB3B5-7C5A-4FF8-BA3B-09368EF362DF@seiri.com> Message-ID: Kas, I found an exception to your trademark motto. If you want to be beaten by equipment, take up golf. Even the most expensive equipment will render you helpless. :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:28 PM To: bownes at seiri.com; billb at bnj.com Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Boy, is that ever a stretch of the imagination. Never be beaten by equipment From wensley_tr at comcast.net Tue May 31 14:47:26 2011 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 16:47:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: , <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com>, <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae>, <64BACA4B-B3ED-4D74-9CBF-7F6A78D61B82@bnj.com>, <21DAB3B5-7C5A-4FF8-BA3B-09368EF362DF@seiri.com> Message-ID: <003101cc1fd3$f57a5f60$e06f1e20$@net> take up golf. Even the most expensive equipment will render you helpless. That's so true Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:34 PM To: 'Kas Kastner'; bownes at seiri.com; billb at bnj.com Cc: 'fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Kas, I found an exception to your trademark motto. If you want to be beaten by equipment, take up golf. Even the most expensive equipment will render you helpless. :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:28 PM To: bownes at seiri.com; billb at bnj.com Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Boy, is that ever a stretch of the imagination. Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue May 31 15:40:36 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 16:40:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Race report from Blackhawk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D3B8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << In other Triumph news... Scott Barr had a solid run in his Spitfire moving up through the field from the back of the grid to finish 10th. He moved up 10 spots. >> We had a great day, too. I got no qualifying time, as we cleverly located a broken wheel stud just as we were getting ready to go out for qualifying. So I started at the back of the grid and had a hoot working my way up through the field. In the wet, it becomes really clear what a great little car the Spitfire is. Even though they all steam past on the straights, you get to reel them in and pass them in the twisty bits. The video I shot with the new GoPro cam looks good. But it does shut off unexpectedly near the end of the race. Has anyone gotten an answer from GoPro as to why it does that and how to prevent it? Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 2:58 PM To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] Race report and Gt6 Tie rod set? Amici, I had my best racing weekend to date at blackhawk farms this weekend. My GT6 was on fire. I started 10th after qualifying on dry tires in the pouring rain. With off and on heavy rain before the race I had no choice but to go out on rain tires... then it stopped raining just as we made our way to the grid. Looking for wetness on the outside of turns and taking some very strange lines to keep my tires cool on the drying track I kept getting faster and faster as the race went on, lapping very fast cars and picking off cars at a rapid pace. With a few laps left, I saw the leader in sight and made a hard charge for the front now with little regard for conserving the tires.I was back and forth for second many times. With one lap to go I was 3rd, nose to tail 1,2,3 with lapped traffic in the mix ahead of us. Out of the last turn we dragged raced 3 wide to the checkered. I ended up in second place, .02 ahead of third and just missing my first victory...a mere .8 second behind. It was totally awesome. In other Triumph news... Scott Barr had a solid run in his Spitfire moving up through the field from the back of the grid to finish 10th. He moved up 10 spots. The only other Triumph, Gade Snodgrass,Running in the F prod group Broke his 3rd rear trans extension in as many races, and is struggling to figure out how to get his Tilton clutch to work properly. ??? From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue May 31 16:03:05 2011 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 22:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Laguna crew pass In-Reply-To: <985679157.973512.1306879377716.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1625013145.973515.1306879385457.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Thanks for the response to my crew pass inquiry. I think that there usually isn't a cover to this event and if there is, no problem. I may have made a $20 donation at this HMSA event before, but a crew pass gets special access to parking in the paddock and perhaps hot pit access if need be. So I thought I'd put a call out for a crew pass. I guess we're all just winging it for now. See ya'll there, Dave From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue May 31 17:11:18 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 16:11:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae> References: <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com> <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae> Message-ID: <003f01cc1fe8$0cfd6ab0$26f84010$@rr.com> > Ken Gillanders told me a racing story many years ago from the late > 1950s. > Maybe it applies here. Seems like I heard the same story from Ken, except it was Halon rather than nitrogen and it only affected the car immediately behind the rear bumper. Still just a good story IMO, but it doesn't take much Halon to seriously mess with combustion. Of course, that would have to make it in the 60s, since I don't think Halon was invented until 1960 or so. -- Randall From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Tue May 31 18:33:59 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 20:33:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit parts Message-ID: Amici, I was going threw some of my extra spit parts. They need a new home and I need the money and space. I have: Hard top $200. glass is in good shape. one small dent. needs new seals and trim and headliner. some rust around driver corner. Smog pump. doesn't turn. FREE Triumph center caps $10. 7 black, 2 missing triumph sticker. 2 silver. I know I have another 4 black somewhere. Seat belts $10. Stock faded black. doesn't retract. have all the parts Lucas starters $10. Have 3 and no idea if they work and could care less. Frame for 74 $100. Straight, painted black, outriggers not bent. Tub for 74 $100. Needs floors and have NEW floors for it. Passenger rocker could use inner, outer is fine. Needs very little work. No dents. Doors for 74 $50 for both. Has window and mechanisms. No interior panel or outside handle. No dents and no rust that I can see. I have pictures for all listed I have some other parts also. I figured I would offer them to the FOT before going ebay with them. I do travel to a few races and can easily bring them. Christopher Bock www.SeaCubeCo.com SeaCubeCo at aol.com (609) 319-4322 From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue May 31 18:57:44 2011 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 17:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <400896.34988.qm@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> http://www.djazmatic.com/find11.html From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 31 19:48:24 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 21:48:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna crew pass....camping, etc In-Reply-To: <1625013145.973515.1306879385457.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CDEE1520E5CDBB-820-BD09B@webmail-d177.sysops.aol.com> are we going to need anything special to get in with our rv and tent? sean, mark, brendan, jan, and i plan to camp at the track. hate to have any surprises after 2000 mile trip. any schedule yet? joe alexander -----Original Message----- From: davehogye To: Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 5:03 pm Subject: [Fot] Laguna crew pass Thanks for the response to my crew pass inquiry. I think that there usually isn't a cover to this event and if there is, no problem. I may have made a $20 donation at this HMSA event before, but a crew pass gets special access to parking in the paddock and perhaps hot pit access if need be. So I thought I'd put a call out for a crew pass. I guess we're all just winging it for now. See ya'll there, Dave _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue May 31 20:04:12 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:04:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna crew pass....camping, etc In-Reply-To: <8CDEE1520E5CDBB-820-BD09B@webmail-d177.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDEE1520E5CDBB-820-BD09B@webmail-d177.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DE59E1C.2050006@comcast.net> Joe I sent an e-mail off last night toCris Vandagriff who sent out the confirmation e-mails and said they were working on the race groups and schedule. I asked for the schedule and entry list. So far, no response. Our drive is a lot shorter, but we leave Friday morning and have the same concerns. Jim On 5/31/2011 6:48 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > are we going to need anything special to get in with our rv and tent? > > sean, mark, brendan, jan, and i plan to camp at the track. > > hate to have any surprises after 2000 mile trip. > > any schedule yet? > > joe alexander > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: davehogye > To: Fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 5:03 pm > Subject: [Fot] Laguna crew pass > > > Thanks for the response to my crew pass inquiry. I think that there usually > isn't a cover to this event and if there is, no problem. I may have made a $20 > donation at this HMSA event before, but a crew pass gets special access to > parking in the paddock and perhaps hot pit access if need be. So I thought I'd > put a call out for a crew pass. I guess we're all just winging it for now. > See ya'll there, > Dave > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Tue May 31 20:27:13 2011 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 12:27:13 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Diff Message-ID: Amici Can someone please help me out with the pinion height for setting up a new diff and what are the datum points ie top of pinion head to what point in case. I seem to remember someone having this info Geoff Byrne TR6 racer Down Under From goodparts at verizon.net Tue May 31 20:27:46 2011 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 22:27:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cam Timing Degree Specs In-Reply-To: <4DE53BDC.2020807@charter.net> References: <4DE53BDC.2020807@charter.net> Message-ID: Glenn, The timing specs for the late TR6 cam are: Intake open 18 deg BTDC, close 58 deg ABDC Exhaust open 58 deg BBDC, close 18 deg ATDC I believe these timing specs are supposed to be point of opening/closing. If that is the case, with valve clearance spec of .010" at the valve, the tappet has to move .010" divided by rocker ratio of 1.45:1 = .007" before the valve starts opening. So you should be able to time to these specs at .007" of tappet lift. Stock cams I have checked appear to have this advertised duration at about .010" tappet lift so you may have to go to .010" to get these timing points to hold out. I have never seen .050" timing specs for the stock cam but the ones I have checked appear to have about 210 deg duration at .050" so the timing specs would be: Intake open 5 deg ATDC, close 35 deg ABDC Exhaust open 35 deg BBDC, close 5 deg BTDC Regards, Richard Good Good Parts Inc. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Franco" Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 3:05 PM To: "Friends of triumph" ; <6pack at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Cam Timing Degree Specs > Hi > I putting a late model 74 TR6 back together after a rebuild. > I'm attempting to time the cam. This one has no marks on the gears since > it had been replaced. > I have the degree wheel set up but I'm having difficulty finding the cam > specs for a stock TR6 Cam? > And if found what amount of lift does the specs relate to (.050"??) on > this engine. > Can anyone out there point me in the right direction. > The head has not been installed and I have the degree wheel set and the > dial indicator taking measurements off the pushrod. > Thanks in advance > Glenn From mark at bradakis.com Tue May 31 21:01:54 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 21:01:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <400896.34988.qm@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <400896.34988.qm@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DE5ABA2.8030806@bradakis.com> I've moved Ernie's address to moderated, so no further crap from his hacked account should reach the list. Sorry I still don't have the tools in place to catch this beforehand. mjb. From andre at gt6.ca Sun May 1 05:29:07 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 07:29:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me In-Reply-To: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ah it could have been worst ;) -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 30 April 2011 23:08, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > After a wonderful 1st experience with 24 hr of Lemons.. I decided I needed a > $500 project for Lemons. Viola !!! A 1993 Miata is in my near future. > > Hey... with 3 Triumphs, I needed something to work on... > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca From pcdelux at verizon.net Sun May 1 05:48:18 2011 From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 07:48:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002201cc07f5$ab005750$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0> The abuse you will endure from the Lemons "scrutineers" will be punishment enough. Bill DeWar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 11:08 PM Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me > After a wonderful 1st experience with 24 hr of Lemons.. I decided I needed a > $500 project for Lemons. Viola !!! A 1993 Miata is in my near future. > > Hey... with 3 Triumphs, I needed something to work on... > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux at verizon.net From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun May 1 16:45:09 2011 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 18:45:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me In-Reply-To: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DBDE275.8080605@twcny.rr.com> Seriously, if you have 3 triumphs and you needed to buy a Miata to find something to work on, you have to say you are my hero... M From andre at gt6.ca Sun May 1 16:57:54 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 18:57:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me In-Reply-To: <4DBDE275.8080605@twcny.rr.com> References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DBDE275.8080605@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: Wait for it. Hmm can I put a Miata engine into a Triumph??? hehe (We've all thought about it) A. On 1 May 2011 18:45, Mark Eginton wrote: > Seriously, if you have 3 triumphs and you needed to buy a Miata to find > something to work on, you have to say you are my hero... > > M > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Sun May 1 17:19:25 2011 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 19:19:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me In-Reply-To: References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DBDE275.8080605@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <000b01cc0856$36177b60$a2467220$@rr.com> Nope, sorry, not all! Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 6:58 PM To: Mark Eginton Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Please don't disown me Wait for it. Hmm can I put a Miata engine into a Triumph??? hehe (We've all thought about it) A. On 1 May 2011 18:45, Mark Eginton wrote: > Seriously, if you have 3 triumphs and you needed to buy a Miata to find > something to work on, you have to say you are my hero... > > M > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From bownes at seiri.com Sun May 1 17:23:48 2011 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 19:23:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me In-Reply-To: References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DBDE275.8080605@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: Would be too much empty space around it! :) Sent from (the passenger seat of) our 95 miata, top down @ 75mph on I87. On May 1, 2011, at 18:57, Andre Rousseau wrote: > Wait for it. > > Hmm can I put a Miata engine into a Triumph??? > > hehe > > (We've all thought about it) > > A. > > On 1 May 2011 18:45, Mark Eginton wrote: >> Seriously, if you have 3 triumphs and you needed to buy a Miata to find >> something to work on, you have to say you are my hero... >> >> M >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca >> >> >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun May 1 23:59:04 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 07:59:04 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Triumph at Pakistan In-Reply-To: References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DBDE275.8080605@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001cc088e$0db3b0c0$291b1240$@com> Congratulations for your victory at Pakistan!! Chris From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon May 2 09:02:44 2011 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 11:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler Message-ID: Hi, You know, sometimes you read a post and the "the light comes on". I pulled my TR6 engine to fix an oil leak, blah blah. All fixed and reinstalled. I run an event last weekend. No probs. Just a couple of drips from the oil filter head. So, I do my fluids-check and nutnboltcheck and the engine is down a quart. I look EVERYWHERE for evidence of an oil leak. I figure being down a quart is a lot considering that I made three 60-second autocross runs, so there sould be a giant puddle in the trailer or a lot of oil on the frame - nope. nothing. no puddles, no drips. Doh - I forgot that I had purged the oil cooler lines! Question answered. Thanks for the thread! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From budscars at comcast.net Mon May 2 10:32:42 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 09:32:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph at Pakistan References: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4DBDE275.8080605@twcny.rr.com> <000001cc088e$0db3b0c0$291b1240$@com> Message-ID: <181B5AC14CDE40759000920EAFA524BC@Bud> Thanks Chris!..and God Bless our Military and all who have helped in this endeavor . ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 10:59 PM Subject: [Fot] Triumph at Pakistan > Congratulations for your victory at Pakistan!! > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From igofaster at att.net Mon May 2 11:39:23 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 10:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42199.21881.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Purchased a new oil cooler for the GT6. Still waiting word on the 'autopsy' on the engine. I also pulled the 3 quart Accusump to send back for refurbishing. Maybe I should have looked at that sooner. There was more sludge in the tank than I would have guessed. So... is that a regular maintenance item we should be looking at? Another question, there is a relief valve (like a tire stem) I bled too. There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained but before I purged the air. When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small amount of air pressure in the tank? Curious... Bobby Whitehead no plans for a Miata swap in ANY Triumph.... ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 10:02:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler Hi, You know, sometimes you read a post and the "the light comes on". I pulled my TR6 engine to fix an oil leak, blah blah. All fixed and reinstalled. I run an event last weekend. No probs. Just a couple of drips from the oil filter head. So, I do my fluids-check and nutnboltcheck and the engine is down a quart. I look EVERYWHERE for evidence of an oil leak. I figure being down a quart is a lot considering that I made three 60-second autocross runs, so there sould be a giant puddle in the trailer or a lot of oil on the frame - nope. nothing. no puddles, no drips. Doh - I forgot that I had purged the oil cooler lines! Question answered. Thanks for the thread! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From rjl6n at cstone.net Mon May 2 12:10:33 2011 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 14:10:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: <42199.21881.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <42199.21881.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1eb8a64e49bf547e46bb614cca215273.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Hi Bobby, That "relief stem" is not actually a relief valve. That valve is there to pressurize the system. That is what pushes the oil back into the engine; it allows you to put some air pressure behind the piston, to push on the piston which provides the force to put oil into the engine when needed. How much air pressure you put in there (partly) determines how fast the oil flows back into the engine. As I recall, the directions that came with the Accusump gave a range of suggested pressures. Hope that helps, John On Mon, May 2, 2011 1:39 pm, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Purchased a new oil cooler for the GT6. Still waiting word on the > 'autopsy' on > the engine. I also pulled the 3 quart Accusump to send back for > refurbishing. > Maybe I should have looked at that sooner. There was more sludge in the > tank > than I would have guessed. So... is that a regular maintenance item we > should be > looking at? Another question, there is a relief valve (like a tire stem) I > bled > too. There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained > but > before I purged the air. > When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small > amount of air pressure in the tank? > > Curious... > > Bobby Whitehead > > no plans for a Miata swap in ANY Triumph.... From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 2 12:51:35 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 18:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: <42199.21881.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1322300169.623678.1304362295129.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> You do have to pressurize the sump cannister, that's what partially what forces the oil into the engine. I've done it without disassembly with mineral spirits & poured remnance through white paper towels watching for clean & clear fluid to run out. You can disassemble them and clean it yourself. You just need to fabricate a simple tool with a couple dowels to screw the end of the sump off. A handle of sorts ( steel flat bar ) with tow dowels ( or bolts )B perpendicular to the handle with the correct spacing between them. Jim G ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "Robert M. Lang" Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Monday, May 2, 2011 11:39:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler Purchased a new oil cooler for the GT6. Still waiting word on the 'autopsy' on the engine. I also pulled the 3 quart Accusump to send back for refurbishing. Maybe I should have looked at that sooner. There was more sludge in the tank than I would have guessed. So... is that a regular maintenance item we should be looking at? Another question, there is a relief valve (like a tire stem) I bled too. There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained but before I purged the air. When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small amount of air pressure in the tank? Curious... Bobby Whitehead no plans for a Miata swap in ANY Triumph.... ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 10:02:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler Hi, You know, sometimes you read a post and the "the light comes on". I pulled my TR6 engine to fix an oil leak, blah blah. All fixed and reinstalled. I run an event last weekend. No probs. Just a couple of drips from the oil filter head. So, I do my fluids-check and nutnboltcheck and the engine is down a quart. I look EVERYWHERE for evidence of an oil leak. I figure being down a quart is a lot considering that I made three 60-second autocross runs, so there sould be a giant puddle in the trailer or a lot of oil on the frame - nope. nothing. no puddles, no drips. Doh - I forgot that I had purged the oil cooler lines! Question answered. Thanks for the thread! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From sjanzen at me.com Mon May 2 12:53:49 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 14:53:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: <1eb8a64e49bf547e46bb614cca215273.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> References: <42199.21881.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1eb8a64e49bf547e46bb614cca215273.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Message-ID: I've always used about 25 lb, figuring I need that much to maintain oil pressure in the galleys. However, I just looked at Accusump's instructions, and they say only 7-10 psi is needed. I guess my 'sump will now have more oil in it! On May 2, 2011, at 2:10 PM, rjl6n at cstone.net wrote: Hi Bobby, That "relief stem" is not actually a relief valve. That valve is there to pressurize the system. That is what pushes the oil back into the engine; it allows you to put some air pressure behind the piston, to push on the piston which provides the force to put oil into the engine when needed. How much air pressure you put in there (partly) determines how fast the oil flows back into the engine. As I recall, the directions that came with the Accusump gave a range of suggested pressures. Hope that helps, John On Mon, May 2, 2011 1:39 pm, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Purchased a new oil cooler for the GT6. Still waiting word on the > 'autopsy' on > the engine. I also pulled the 3 quart Accusump to send back for > refurbishing. > Maybe I should have looked at that sooner. There was more sludge in the > tank > than I would have guessed. So... is that a regular maintenance item we > should be > looking at? Another question, there is a relief valve (like a tire stem) I > bled > too. There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained > but > before I purged the air. > When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small > amount of air pressure in the tank? > > Curious... > > Bobby Whitehead > > no plans for a Miata swap in ANY Triumph.... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon May 2 13:07:59 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 15:07:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler Message-ID: <576.4cf99d84.3af05b0f@aol.com> Put exactly the air pressure into the accumulator that you want to maintain as a minimum. When oil pressure is higher than that the piston will be pushed to the air end "accumulating" oil. When pressure drops below the preset the piston will be pushed toward the oil end forcing the oil "accumulated" into the bearings where you want it. In a message dated 5/2/2011 11:02:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, igofaster at att.net writes: Purchased a new oil cooler for the GT6. Still waiting word on the 'autopsy' on the engine. I also pulled the 3 quart Accusump to send back for refurbishing. Maybe I should have looked at that sooner. There was more sludge in the tank than I would have guessed. So... is that a regular maintenance item we should be looking at? Another question, there is a relief valve (like a tire stem) I bled too. There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained but before I purged the air. When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small amount of air pressure in the tank? Curious... Bobby Whitehead no plans for a Miata swap in ANY Triumph.... ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 10:02:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler Hi, You know, sometimes you read a post and the "the light comes on". I pulled my TR6 engine to fix an oil leak, blah blah. All fixed and reinstalled. I run an event last weekend. No probs. Just a couple of drips from the oil filter head. So, I do my fluids-check and nutnboltcheck and the engine is down a quart. I look EVERYWHERE for evidence of an oil leak. I figure being down a quart is a lot considering that I made three 60-second autocross runs, so there sould be a giant puddle in the trailer or a lot of oil on the frame - nope. nothing. no puddles, no drips. Doh - I forgot that I had purged the oil cooler lines! Question answered. Thanks for the thread! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon May 2 13:18:48 2011 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 15:18:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 54, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained but before I purged the air. When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small amount of air pressure in the tank?" You need to preload the air pressure, I think it's 10 PSI but it's spec'ed out at the Accusump website. mike G. Michael Harmuth too many Triumphs to have the time to consider a Miata From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon May 2 13:33:53 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 14:33:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: <576.4cf99d84.3af05b0f@aol.com> References: <576.4cf99d84.3af05b0f@aol.com> Message-ID: I use 20 psi Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gt6steve at aol.com Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 2:08 PM To: igofaster at att.net Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler Put exactly the air pressure into the accumulator that you want to maintain as a minimum. When oil pressure is higher than that the piston will be pushed to the air end "accumulating" oil. When pressure drops below the preset the piston will be pushed toward the oil end forcing the oil "accumulated" into the bearings where you want it. In a message dated 5/2/2011 11:02:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, igofaster at att.net writes: Purchased a new oil cooler for the GT6. Still waiting word on the 'autopsy' on the engine. I also pulled the 3 quart Accusump to send back for refurbishing. Maybe I should have looked at that sooner. There was more sludge in the tank than I would have guessed. So... is that a regular maintenance item we should be looking at? Another question, there is a relief valve (like a tire stem) I bled too. There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained but before I purged the air. When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small amount of air pressure in the tank? Curious... Bobby Whitehead no plans for a Miata swap in ANY Triumph.... ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 10:02:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler Hi, You know, sometimes you read a post and the "the light comes on". I pulled my TR6 engine to fix an oil leak, blah blah. All fixed and reinstalled. I run an event last weekend. No probs. Just a couple of drips from the oil filter head. So, I do my fluids-check and nutnboltcheck and the engine is down a quart. I look EVERYWHERE for evidence of an oil leak. I figure being down a quart is a lot considering that I made three 60-second autocross runs, so there sould be a giant puddle in the trailer or a lot of oil on the frame - nope. nothing. no puddles, no drips. Doh - I forgot that I had purged the oil cooler lines! Question answered. Thanks for the thread! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon May 2 13:43:00 2011 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: References: <42199.21881.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1eb8a64e49bf547e46bb614cca215273.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Message-ID: <591296.73679.qm@web46113.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> My engine guy says use 20psi. ________________________________ From: Scott Janzen To: rjl6n at cstone.net Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 11:53:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler I've always used about 25 lb, figuring I need that much to maintain oil pressure in the galleys. However, I just looked at Accusump's instructions, and they say only 7-10 psi is needed. I guess my 'sump will now have more oil in it! On May 2, 2011, at 2:10 PM, rjl6n at cstone.net wrote: Hi Bobby, That "relief stem" is not actually a relief valve. That valve is there to pressurize the system. That is what pushes the oil back into the engine; it allows you to put some air pressure behind the piston, to push on the piston which provides the force to put oil into the engine when needed. How much air pressure you put in there (partly) determines how fast the oil flows back into the engine. As I recall, the directions that came with the Accusump gave a range of suggested pressures. Hope that helps, John On Mon, May 2, 2011 1:39 pm, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Purchased a new oil cooler for the GT6. Still waiting word on the > 'autopsy' on > the engine. I also pulled the 3 quart Accusump to send back for > refurbishing. > Maybe I should have looked at that sooner. There was more sludge in the > tank > than I would have guessed. So... is that a regular maintenance item we > should be > looking at? Another question, there is a relief valve (like a tire stem) I > bled > too. There was a bit of air and pressure still in the unit when I drained > but > before I purged the air. > When the tank returns, is it self pressurizing? Do we actually put a small > amount of air pressure in the tank? > > Curious... > > Bobby Whitehead > > no plans for a Miata swap in ANY Triumph.... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue May 3 06:02:22 2011 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 05:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Crew Passes or Overcrew Message-ID: <555615.58668.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - anyone have a couple of extra crew passes for nex month's big event? I assume that this is a non spectator event - being mid week and all. ...might need someone to list Joan and I as overcrew. Thanks Dennis From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Tue May 3 06:11:53 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 22:11:53 +1000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 front uprights-race use Message-ID: I am researching alternatives for the front suspension uprights & wishbones on my wifes Gt6 Triumph racer. we currently have the unmodified GT6 "hollow" uprights with the "big" stub axle and conventional lower trunnion. i have heard all sorts of horror stories about them breaking at the trunnion, but never experienced any such problems . I understand firm called ESP in UK have the tooling for making these,. possibly from Adler & Alford days. can ayone help me track them down?? If anyone has any first-hand comments on the benefits/problems of the various versions I'd be keen to hear. also, anyone who might have may heim jointed uprights or wishbones for sale, please send me a email thanks Terry O'Beirne AUSTRALIA From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 3 07:41:54 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 08:41:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca confirmations Message-ID: <20110503134207.832CB187643@autox.team.net> Has anyone gotten entry confirmation for our event at Laguna Seca? Thanks, Tony Drews From herald948 at aol.com Tue May 3 08:10:30 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 10:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 front uprights-race use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDD7B2FE60956A-1750-7C5C@webmail-m022.sysops.aol.com> What about the "Trunnionless Front Suspension Kit" offered by Canley Classics in the UK: http://www.canleyclassics.com/?xhtml=xhtml/product/catkit1.html&xsl=product.x sl NFI, just aware that it's out there.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Enquiries Road & Track I am researching alternatives for the front suspension uprights & wishbones on my wifes Gt6 Triumph racer.... From bownes at seiri.com Tue May 3 08:10:52 2011 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 10:10:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca confirmations In-Reply-To: <20110503134207.832CB187643@autox.team.net> References: <20110503134207.832CB187643@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Guys, Wish I could attend, This should be a fantastic event. Word of wisdom form another event that some folks I know were supposed to attend last week. Put together a phone list of everyone's cell phone number and pick a person/place to leave messages with somewhere other than the event site. A few hundred folks I know were supposed to be meeting in Huntsville last week. Event canceled at the last moment due to Acts of God, not everyone found out in time, several flew in, unnecessary chaos ensued. Hope you all have fun! On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > Has anyone gotten entry confirmation for our event at Laguna Seca? > > Thanks, Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From deweerdm at rogers.com Tue May 3 17:26:53 2011 From: deweerdm at rogers.com (MIKE DEWEERD) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 16:26:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury Message-ID: <368913.54225.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Amici I'm thinking of retiring the "Lincoln Locker" (welded diff) in my TR4 and installing a Limited Slip Diff. Pricing between the two is similar enough to not be an issue so......Opinions Please... Which Diff do you run and why is it better or worse? also ramp angles which is best (Salisbury) 45/45 or 30/60? Note that I run the car mostly at Mosport, Mid Ohio and the Glen secondly...(If it makes a difference) Thank you Mike Deweerd TR4 #77 From igofaster at att.net Tue May 3 17:30:28 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 16:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Message-ID: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. Jeeerrrrrrreeeees in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service manager/neighbor) informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a $500 sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus ttl. 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from day one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux I had the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal leaking, causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt looks good, when I replaced the gasket. My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my oldest son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few bucks, or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money and try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... Opinions? BOBBY WHITEHEAD From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 3 18:09:37 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 20:09:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDD806B0DEE39D-FA4-37B4E@webmail-d130.sysops.aol.com> my grandson, the varsity wrestler, would want it. he thinks they are cool....so does Tony Drews. i have one in the garage, too. -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 6:30 pm Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. Jeeerrrrrrreeeees in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service manager/neighbor) informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a $500 sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus ttl. 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from day one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux I had the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal leaking, causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt looks good, when I replaced the gasket. My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my oldest son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few bucks, or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money and try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... Opinions? BOBBY WHITEHEAD _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 3 18:32:37 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 18:32:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury In-Reply-To: <368913.54225.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20110504003458.A476B187656@autox.team.net> Mike, I have the quaife in an IRS car and it grips just great and running a 3/4 rear sway bar. I've been told the quaife will still spin a wheel if you lift one, I haven't had that problem. For a live axle car I would imagine the Salsbury would be better as there is a better chance of lifting a wheel. Jim G. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MIKE DEWEERD Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury Amici I'm thinking of retiring the "Lincoln Locker" (welded diff) in my TR4 and installing a Limited Slip Diff. Pricing between the two is similar enough to not be an issue so......Opinions Please... Which Diff do you run and why is it better or worse? also ramp angles which is best (Salisbury) 45/45 or 30/60? Note that I run the car mostly at Mosport, Mid Ohio and the Glen secondly...(If it makes a difference) Thank you Mike Deweerd TR4 #77 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 3 18:44:12 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 17:44:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CDD806B0DEE39D-FA4-37B4E@webmail-d130.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <35EF927BE6E94730A6BF45BAFB5F99F9@Bud> I love my 1990...handles like a little race car..insurance is cheap...good gas mileage...repairs are cheap..on and on.. RB Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > my grandson, the varsity wrestler, would want it. > > he thinks they are cool....so does Tony Drews. > > i have one in the garage, too. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bobby Whitehead > To: FoT Triumph > Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 6:30 pm > Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > > > Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. > Jeeerrrrrrreeeees > > in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service > manager/neighbor) > > informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a > $500 > > sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus > ttl. > > 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from > day > > one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- > > Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. > > Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux > I > had > > the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal > leaking, > > causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt > looks > > good, when I replaced the gasket. > > > > My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was > quoted > as > > saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only > people > > driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my > oldest > > son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... > > I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few > bucks, > > or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money > and > > try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... > > > > Opinions? > > > > BOBBY WHITEHEAD > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tlizzard at msn.com Tue May 3 18:48:45 2011 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 20:48:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Why look at the downside? What you have is an example of the largest selling sports car of all time, and curiously, the best traditional two seat sports car ever offered by any manufacturer in the North American market, ever. It has the best chassis under $30,000, period. They are as reliable as a Corolla. They won't leak their innards all over your drive way. What's not to like? Terry Stetler From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 3 18:53:01 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 17:53:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <68FD68EFF0C348EBA09B424E154C4C8F@Vista> It's OK Bobby, people used to say that only Hairdressers buy Spitfires! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people driving these things. "I said that?"... BOBBY WHITEHEAD From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 3 19:06:13 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 18:06:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20A2A71BDB144A48AA5C2315F4ED70D1@Bud> and ..if you want it to be British..it's designed after the Lotus Elan RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" To: "FoT Triumph" ; "Bobby Whitehead" Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > Why look at the downside? > > What you have is an example of the largest selling sports car of all time, > and > curiously, the best traditional two seat sports car ever offered by any > manufacturer in the North American market, ever. > > It has the best chassis under $30,000, period. > > They are as reliable as a Corolla. > > They won't leak their innards all over your drive way. > > What's not to like? > > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From alfetta95 at optonline.net Tue May 3 19:24:26 2011 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 21:24:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5C06CDE8-ACFA-4630-B1F5-E614450EF965@optonline.net> My 1992 has 202,000 miles on it. Does use a little oil but still runs strong. Handles like a go kart. Very reliable. Might drop a 5.0 into it. Supercar numbers! But don't go by me. I'm all over the car world. Todd Redmond 1958 TR 3A 1979 Alfa Romeo Alfetta GT 1992 Mazda Miata Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2011, at 7:30 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. Jeeerrrrrrreeeees > in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service manager/neighbor) > informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a $500 > sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus ttl. > 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from day > one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- > Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. > Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux I had > the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal leaking, > causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt looks > good, when I replaced the gasket. > > My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as > saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people > driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my oldest > son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... > I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few bucks, > or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money and > try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... > > Opinions? > > BOBBY WHITEHEAD > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net From billb at bnj.com Tue May 3 19:27:00 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 18:27:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIata is the TR3 of the 90's On May 3, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. Jeeerrrrrrreeeees > in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service manager/neighbor) > informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a $500 > sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus ttl. > 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from day > one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- > Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. > Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux I had > the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal leaking, > causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt looks > good, when I replaced the gasket. > > My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as > saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people > driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my oldest > son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... > I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few bucks, > or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money and > try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... > > Opinions? > > BOBBY WHITEHEAD > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 3 19:36:04 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 18:36:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury In-Reply-To: <20110504003458.A476B187656@autox.team.net> References: <368913.54225.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20110504003458.A476B187656@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <59876A3FAE68462093946E6E39DAB820@Vista> Since the Quaife is torque biased, when one axle is totally free to spin (as in broken axle or lifted wheel) the other will not provide any drive at all. So during that period, you have no acceleration. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Gray Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:33 PM To: 'MIKE DEWEERD' Cc: Friends of triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury Mike, I have the quaife in an IRS car and it grips just great and running a 3/4 rear sway bar. I've been told the quaife will still spin a wheel if you lift one, I haven't had that problem. For a live axle car I would imagine the Salsbury would be better as there is a better chance of lifting a wheel. Jim G. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MIKE DEWEERD Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury Amici I'm thinking of retiring the "Lincoln Locker" (welded diff) in my TR4 and installing a Limited Slip Diff. Pricing between the two is similar enough to not be an issue so......Opinions Please... Which Diff do you run and why is it better or worse? also ramp angles which is best (Salisbury) 45/45 or 30/60? Note that I run the car mostly at Mosport, Mid Ohio and the Glen secondly...(If it makes a difference) Thank you Mike Deweerd TR4 #77 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue May 3 19:36:26 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 21:36:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 front uprights-race use Message-ID: <1948d.3f360b6.3af2079a@aol.com> They have been severely slated on the Brit car forums as poorly engineered. They don't seem to be available last I checked, perhaps going thru a rethink? Dave Pearson is a top bloke so it will be right in the end. In a message dated 5/3/2011 7:34:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: What about the "Trunnionless Front Suspension Kit" offered by Canley Classics in the UK: http://www.canleyclassics.com/?xhtml=xhtml/product/catkit1.html&xsl=product. x sl NFI, just aware that it's out there.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Enquiries Road & Track I am researching alternatives for the front suspension uprights & wishbones on my wifes Gt6 Triumph racer.... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue May 3 20:07:14 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 22:07:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <20A2A71BDB144A48AA5C2315F4ED70D1@Bud> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20A2A71BDB144A48AA5C2315F4ED70D1@Bud> Message-ID: <4DC0B4D2.1080703@141.com> And you can get it in British Racing Green! Which we did! :D Susan :) On 5/3/2011 9:06 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > and ..if you want it to be British..it's designed after the Lotus Elan > RB > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" > To: "FoT Triumph" ; "Bobby Whitehead" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:48 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > > >> Why look at the downside? >> >> What you have is an example of the largest selling sports car of all >> time, and >> curiously, the best traditional two seat sports car ever offered by any >> manufacturer in the North American market, ever. >> >> It has the best chassis under $30,000, period. >> >> They are as reliable as a Corolla. >> >> They won't leak their innards all over your drive way. >> >> What's not to like? >> >> >> Terry Stetler >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3612 - Release Date: 05/03/11 > > -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From mini at wi.rr.com Tue May 3 20:13:24 2011 From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 21:13:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DC0B644.3060104@wi.rr.com> We have a 99 Miata for our "winter beater". It's a great little car, does everything well, but as I tell everyone who asks about it, "It's the brown paper bag of sports cars, does things well but is totally uninspiring. The car has no personality" Sorry Bill, but the TR3 has more character then any Miata could ever hope to have. (That said, my wife won't let me sell "her car"!) Richard Gehweiler On 5/3/2011 8:27 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > MIata is the TR3 of the 90's From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 3 20:13:59 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 19:13:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20A2A71BDB144A48AA5C2315F4ED70D1@Bud> <4DC0B4D2.1080703@141.com> Message-ID: the green is the rare one..very pretty...yellow was a limited color too.....RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "RACER BUD" Cc: "Terry Stetler" ; "FoT Triumph" ; "Bobby Whitehead" Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > And you can get it in British Racing Green! Which we did! :D > > Susan :) > > > On 5/3/2011 9:06 PM, RACER BUD wrote: >> and ..if you want it to be British..it's designed after the Lotus Elan >> RB >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" >> To: "FoT Triumph" ; "Bobby Whitehead" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! >> >> >>> Why look at the downside? >>> >>> What you have is an example of the largest selling sports car of all >>> time, and >>> curiously, the best traditional two seat sports car ever offered by any >>> manufacturer in the North American market, ever. >>> >>> It has the best chassis under $30,000, period. >>> >>> They are as reliable as a Corolla. >>> >>> They won't leak their innards all over your drive way. >>> >>> What's not to like? >>> >>> >>> Terry Stetler >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3612 - Release Date: 05/03/11 >> >> > > -- > I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue May 3 20:54:46 2011 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 20:54:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 cam timing question- Message-ID: Evenin' all - Currently in rebuild mode & have lost my timing notes - I've the humble #TH6 Kent unit with a 108 dg. lobe center, 284/284 duration @ .020" (244 duration @ 105 deg. @ .050") Street spec timing is 108 deg. (strght. up) Am 'assuming' that one wants a 2-4 deg. retarded, but not sure & open to suggestions. Thanks! Kev Lynch From mark at bradakis.com Tue May 3 21:09:09 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 21:09:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DC0C355.7000406@bradakis.com> There's a pawn shop next to a place to which we often deliver. It has a red '92 that looks pretty good for 3 grand. I never think about it when I drive by a few times a day. There is also a shop that has had this TR7 coupe out front forever. I hope they get rid of it before it ends up in my drive next to the blue one. mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 3 21:07:13 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 20:07:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DC0B644.3060104@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: The Miata has HUGE personality... RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Gehweiler" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > We have a 99 Miata for our "winter beater". It's a great little car, does > everything well, but as I tell everyone who asks about it, "It's the brown > paper bag of sports cars, does things well but is totally uninspiring. The > car has no personality" Sorry Bill, but the TR3 has more character then > any Miata could ever hope to have. (That said, my wife won't let me sell > "her car"!) > > Richard Gehweiler > > On 5/3/2011 8:27 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: >> MIata is the TR3 of the 90's > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 3 22:04:24 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 21:04:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DC0C355.7000406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1B746D0D6C8D471A82AA6814411E4A4E@Bud> Give it a drive...When I first drove mine, I thought someone had put competition suspension on it because it handles so well..They are absolutely amazing!.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > There's a pawn shop next to a place to which we often deliver. > It has a red '92 that looks pretty good for 3 grand. I never think > about it when I drive by a few times a day. > > There is also a shop that has had this TR7 coupe out front forever. > I hope they get rid of it before it ends up in my drive next to the > blue one. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 3 22:13:44 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 21:13:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DC0C355.7000406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <0819BF3882784BF89CA96B7E3DE80AB0@Bud> Another neat thing about owning a Miata is..at least with the early (pop up headlight) cars..we wave to each other, like we did with sports cars in the old days..these cars are 21 years old now.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > There's a pawn shop next to a place to which we often deliver. > It has a red '92 that looks pretty good for 3 grand. I never think > about it when I drive by a few times a day. > > There is also a shop that has had this TR7 coupe out front forever. > I hope they get rid of it before it ends up in my drive next to the > blue one. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed May 4 00:19:34 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 23:19:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DC0EFF6.3000507@comcast.net> We're on our third Miata. The latest is a 2005 Mazdaspeed with factory turbo and all the good stuff except for cruise control. It's an incredible car on twisty two lane roads - horrid on the interstates. Gonna put a Triumph sticker on it so we can take it on the local Triumph club tour since the Spit is not street legal. On 5/3/2011 4:30 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. Jeeerrrrrrreeeees > in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service manager/neighbor) > informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a $500 > sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus ttl. > 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from day > one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- > Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. > Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux I had > the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal leaking, > causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt looks > good, when I replaced the gasket. > > My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as > saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people > driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my oldest > son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... > I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few bucks, > or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money and > try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... > > Opinions? > > BOBBY WHITEHEAD > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 4 00:59:47 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 08:59:47 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury In-Reply-To: <368913.54225.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <368913.54225.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001cc0a28$ddf9d890$99ed89b0$@com> Kas recommended the welded diff to me and I run it since 2005 and my car very fast. If I would go for a LSD then Sailsbury, no Quiffe. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von MIKE DEWEERD Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2011 01:27 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Quaife vs Salisbury Amici I'm thinking of retiring the "Lincoln Locker" (welded diff) in my TR4 and installing a Limited Slip Diff. Pricing between the two is similar enough to not be an issue so......Opinions Please... Which Diff do you run and why is it better or worse? also ramp angles which is best (Salisbury) 45/45 or 30/60? Note that I run the car mostly at Mosport, Mid Ohio and the Glen secondly...(If it makes a difference) Thank you Mike Deweerd TR4 #77 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 4 01:05:10 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 09:05:10 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2011 01:30 An: FoT Triumph Betreff: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. Jeeerrrrrrreeeees in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service manager/neighbor) informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a $500 sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus ttl. 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from day one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux I had the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal leaking, causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt looks good, when I replaced the gasket. My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my oldest son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few bucks, or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money and try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... Opinions? BOBBY WHITEHEAD _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Wed May 4 06:12:20 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 22:12:20 +1000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 front uprights-race use Message-ID: thanks for the replies guys I've tried canley classics several times and never had a reply, so i guess they are either too arrogant or too lazy to get my business who is dave pearson and what is his role in these uprights?? I'm surprised some of the GT6/Spitfire racers have not had something to say Terry From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed May 4 08:10:10 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 14:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? Message-ID: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my pushrods are too long. I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock block. .008 was taken off the block and I canbt remember how much off the head to give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b. Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my adjusters are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread projecting from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash but when I got to # 3 that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution in the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnbt the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the pushrods. Thanks again for input, B Jim G. From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed May 4 08:40:42 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 07:40:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? References: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <94973C544F96497C998E4C7F789EEC48@Charly> If you shim the pedestals, you change the angle of the contact on the valve from the rocker. If you have roller rockers, it may not matter, but with the stock rockers , you will get wear. I've seen it on other TR6's. You can order shorter pushrods and they usually can be delivered pretty quickly. Your cam shop should be able to help you with this. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:10 AM Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? > FoT > > I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my > pushrods > are too long. > > I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock > block. > > .008 was taken off the block and I canbt remember how much off the head > to > give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b . > > Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my > adjusters > are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread > projecting > from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash > but > when I got to # 3 > > that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. > > Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution > in > the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnbt > the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the > pushrods. > > Thanks again for input, > > > > B > > Jim G. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From ac at camoletti.ch Wed May 4 08:42:56 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 16:42:56 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? NO Message-ID: <001301cc0a69$8f2a4e20$ad7eea60$@camoletti.ch> Hi Jim ! If you raise the pedestals then you alter the geometry and your rockers will not work properly, in particular in you have a higher lift cam than stock. When valve is at half lift, then the rocker tip bottom should be horizontal with the axle centreline, so that your rockers will be working equally both sides up and down when working the valves, and not only down as it will be the case if you shim the pedestals: If you shim the pedestals then the rockers will sit higher and the tip will be sitting lower than before vs axle centre, and with this you shorten the rocker ratio (the lower the tip, the closest it is to the axle and the pedestal) and in addition you put more side pressure on the valve stem and you get additional wear. It is not much, but you put additional strain here. So the ticket is to get shorter pushrods and maybe also skim the pedestal bases if you have a higher lift, to restore the geometry, to have it as neutral as possible and not biased towards the bottom. David Vizard explains this very well in "Theory and practice of cylinder head modification" If you make a simple schematic it should become clearer than my words! Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de toodamnfunky at comcast.net Envoyi : mercredi 4 mai 2011 16:10 @ : fot Objet : [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? FoT I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my pushrods are too long. I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock block. .008 was taken off the block and I canbt remember how much off the head to give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b . Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my adjusters are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread projecting from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash but when I got to # 3 that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution in the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnbt the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the pushrods. Thanks again for input, B Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed May 4 09:03:17 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 08:03:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? References: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <109C4B1DCC404B89B55012E793D06ACB@Charly> Try this: http://www.pushrods.net/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:10 AM Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? > FoT > > I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my > pushrods > are too long. > > I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock > block. > > .008 was taken off the block and I canbt remember how much off the head > to > give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b . > > Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my > adjusters > are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread > projecting > from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash > but > when I got to # 3 > > that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. > > Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution > in > the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnbt > the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the > pushrods. > > Thanks again for input, > > > > B > > Jim G. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 4 09:03:51 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 17:03:51 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? In-Reply-To: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <005601cc0a6c$7d5b8f80$7812ae80$@com> I run shims under the pedestals. 1.5 mm thick. They work fine with stock rockers. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2011 16:10 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? FoT I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my pushrods are too long. I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock block. .008 was taken off the block and I canbt remember how much off the head to give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b . Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my adjusters are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread projecting from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash but when I got to # 3 that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution in the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnbt the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the pushrods. Thanks again for input, B Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From triosan at gmail.com Wed May 4 09:04:10 2011 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 10:04:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? In-Reply-To: <94973C544F96497C998E4C7F789EEC48@Charly> References: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <94973C544F96497C998E4C7F789EEC48@Charly> Message-ID: Call Ted at TSI -- he sells tubular rods at any length -- quickly. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: > If you shim the pedestals, you change the angle of the contact on the valve > from the rocker. If you have roller rockers, it may not matter, but with > the stock rockers , you will get wear. I've seen it on other TR6's. > You can order shorter pushrods and they usually can be delivered pretty > quickly. Your cam shop should be able to help you with this. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: "fot" > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:10 AM > Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? > > > FoT >> >> I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my >> pushrods >> are too long. >> >> I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock >> block. >> >> .008 was taken off the block and I canb t remember how much off the head >> to >> give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b . >> >> Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my >> adjusters >> are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread >> projecting >> from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash >> but >> when I got to # 3 >> >> that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. >> >> Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution >> in >> the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnb t >> the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the >> pushrods. >> >> Thanks again for input, >> >> >> >> B >> >> Jim G. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From riverside at southslope.net Wed May 4 09:10:04 2011 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 10:10:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> Message-ID: <7CCCF571CE25484787AD8B083FA6F882@rileyPC> Only drove two of them. One (stock) belonged to a daughter's boyfriend. He foolishly allowed me to take him for a ride. A little Nurburgring is nearby. Scared him silly. The other one had a paxton blown 302 in it. I drove it on the interstate only. Scared me silly. Tried to imagine track days at R/A in the crazy thing. Talk about a man's car! art de armond -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 2:05 AM To: 'FoT Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2011 01:30 An: FoT Triumph Betreff: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Well... So I buy this 1993 Miata from my local dealership.. Jeeerrrrrrreeeees in Weatherford. The 'boneyard' as my new best friend (service manager/neighbor) informs me. The car , found me , as he stated. I was really looking for a $500 sh*tbox 24 hours lemon car but ended up buying this thing for $2250 plus ttl. 173000 miles, white, ac, decent cloth top, and a clean carfax report from day one. Sold in Fort Worth (Tarrant County) and owned all it's life in Azle- Springtown (Parker County) where I live. NEVER wrecked. Carfax guaranteed. Everything works, AC, everything. The clutch was slipping so for $220 bux I had the clutch replaced and replaced the rear seal. It was the rear seal leaking, causing the clutch slipping. The valve cover was leaking, the timing belt looks good, when I replaced the gasket. My wife and oldest daughter informed me when the Miata came out I was quoted as saying nothing but men in questionable sexual orientation were the only people driving these things. "I said that?"... I thought about giving it to my oldest son but he informed my of my previous posture. so...... I could sell it on eBay and probably get my money back, maybe make a few bucks, or destroy it and make it a race car. Make some money or spend some money and try to race it somewhere ... Not CVAR or vintage, because... Opinions? BOBBY WHITEHEAD _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed May 4 09:42:52 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 08:42:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? In-Reply-To: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <026101cc0a71$ee21da80$0301a8c0@randall> If you or a buddy have access to a lathe, you can chuck up the pushrod and use a parting tool to remove just the end of the tube (next to the cup where the adjuster rides). Then tap the cup farther into the tube. ISTR Kas described this in one of the "Comp Prep" books. But you could probably also get shorter pushrods in just a few days, if you call around a bit. When I got mine from Ken G., he had them on the shelf. -- Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 4 10:13:24 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 18:13:24 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? In-Reply-To: <026101cc0a71$ee21da80$0301a8c0@randall> References: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <026101cc0a71$ee21da80$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <007001cc0a76$34446ce0$9ccd46a0$@com> Right, Kas has described that tweak but this was with racing pushrods. The stock pushrods have welded ends...no chance to drive them in after the lathe job! Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Randall Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2011 17:43 An: toodamnfunky at comcast.net; 'fot' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? If you or a buddy have access to a lathe, you can chuck up the pushrod and use a parting tool to remove just the end of the tube (next to the cup where the adjuster rides). Then tap the cup farther into the tube. ISTR Kas described this in one of the "Comp Prep" books. But you could probably also get shorter pushrods in just a few days, if you call around a bit. When I got mine from Ken G., he had them on the shelf. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From billb at bnj.com Wed May 4 10:26:37 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 09:26:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? In-Reply-To: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2099724864.704189.1304518210174.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <191B69CE-550A-4A1D-86EA-822A0C446227@bnj.com> Rocker arm geometry is critical. You want the rocker to have the same angle downwards at full lift that it has upwards on the cam base circle (where the valve clearance is set). You get that right first and then get the right length pushrods. If you have good quality pushrods you can get them shortened by a machine shop, or just order new ones from Smith. On May 4, 2011, at 7:10 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > FoT > > I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my pushrods > are too long. > > I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock block. > > .008 was taken off the block and I canbt remember how much off the head to > give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b. > > Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my adjusters > are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread projecting > from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash but > when I got to # 3 > > that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. > > Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution in > the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnbt > the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the > pushrods. > > Thanks again for input, > > > > B > > Jim G. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed May 4 14:02:45 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 20:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? In-Reply-To: <20110504150228.P9P5Z.372123.imail@fed1rmwml4101> Message-ID: <1046612882.722871.1304539365079.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Thanks everybody for the input. I have no doubt the way to go will be the correct pushrod length but for thisB upcoming race it will be 1/16" shims. The measurements taken so far show 1/16" should be just about right and I have the material in stock. Thanks again for the feedback, Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2011 1:02:28 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Shimming the rocker pedestals ? I have used shims under the pedestals several times. Not more than about 1/16" though. If you do remember to drill a hole for the lube oil in the back rocker post. B That will probably get you running, but better, shorter pushrods are the number. B If you have racing pushrods already then just stick in a lather and using a parting tool take off about B the same amount of material as you took off the head and then tape the ball back into place. B You can do either end. B Cannot do with stock pushrods as they are welded at the tips. But, all the talk about the geometry is correct, but you will most likely get the rocker tip back in the center at half lift with a shim. B Take a look, can't hurt to look. You can use a bit of white grease on the valve tip will tell you if you are correct as the pattern should be in the middle of the valve. It might be easier to set the rocker at the half lift of the cam and that angle should be 90 degrees. If all this is too much, then order some shorter pushrods :-) ---- toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: FoT I just built a fresh motor with a different block and discovered my pushrods are too long. I had new ( big ) valves put in and started with a prepared from stock block. .008 was taken off the block and I canbt remember how much off the head to give me 12.5:1 comp ratio. I would guess the head was shaved over .120b. Anyway, while doing the final assembly and prepping to run it in, my adjusters are run out all the way to max. There is a full 3/16b of thread projecting from the adjustment screw. I got cylinders 1& 2 to adjust to .22/.24 lash but when I got to # 3 that's where the adjuster had no effect, that was my first clue. Our first race of the season is on the 13 th so I need to find a solution in the next few days. One thing I have always wondered about is why couldnbt the pedestals just be raised to compensate instead of shortening all the pushrods. Thanks again for input, B Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed May 4 19:36:52 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 21:36:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 front uprights-race use Message-ID: <2b851.541e2ca4.3af35934@aol.com> Terry, over the years I've talked to lots of TVR guys who are suffering much worse than we with their big slicks and higher Horsepowers. No one has a solution so far. I drilled and tapped the bottom (Top?) of my oil drillings and ran a long socket head cap screw up there putting the whole stub into compression. Don't know if it will help but at least I have a chance of bending before fracture. No failures in many years now so it clearly didn't hurt. I had a rod end conversion here from some Elva racers and it frightened me as they had simply macined off all of the threads to fit the rod end. I'm told the early FF's had an undrilled stub but I doubt we'll see any of those anymore. We'll keep our eyes open and hope for the best....Steve In a message dated 5/4/2011 5:55:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au writes: thanks for the replies guys I've tried canley classics several times and never had a reply, so i guess they are either too arrogant or too lazy to get my business who is dave pearson and what is his role in these uprights?? I'm surprised some of the GT6/Spitfire racers have not had something to say Terry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Thu May 5 06:58:16 2011 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 05:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> Message-ID: <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 MPH! For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and Michelin DOT racing tires. And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT member! Mike Munson >From the Corvette factory Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 5 07:02:20 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 15:02:20 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002c01cc0b24$acf27200$06d75600$@com> Corvette is a great car. But if you would let the choice to me with American cars I would have a go in a Ford GT (40). Cheers Chris Von: Mike Munson [mailto:fasttrs at yahoo.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2011 14:58 An: MadMarx; FoT Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 MPH! For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and Michelin DOT racing tires. And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT member! Mike Munson >From the Corvette factory Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris From ac at camoletti.ch Thu May 5 08:32:31 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 16:32:31 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002e01cc0b31$44ced350$ce6c79f0$@camoletti.ch> Got a ride in the new Ferrari 458 Italia, this is also real power! Frightening that anyone (with the big wallet) is allowed to drive such missile! -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Mike Munson Envoyi : jeudi 5 mai 2011 14:58 @ : MadMarx; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 MPH! For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and Michelin DOT racing tires. And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT member! Mike Munson >From the Corvette factory Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu May 5 09:07:27 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 11:07:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <002e01cc0b31$44ced350$ce6c79f0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: Combien varai....mais on doit admettre les voitures italiennes sont belles aussi bien...J'aime ma voiture de route d'araignee d'Alfa Romeo...... John H. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alexandre Camoletti Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:33 AM To: 'Mike Munson'; 'MadMarx'; 'FoT Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Got a ride in the new Ferrari 458 Italia, this is also real power! Frightening that anyone (with the big wallet) is allowed to drive such missile! -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Mike Munson Envoyi : jeudi 5 mai 2011 14:58 @ : MadMarx; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 MPH! For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and Michelin DOT racing tires. And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT member! Mike Munson >From the Corvette factory Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From billb at bnj.com Thu May 5 09:54:02 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 08:54:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <002e01cc0b31$44ced350$ce6c79f0$@camoletti.ch> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <002e01cc0b31$44ced350$ce6c79f0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <05FE0D63-C6D4-4461-BF6C-2E5AA39C2C80@bnj.com> Most of the really powerful 500 and up HP cars these days have enough computer oversight to make them controllable by even the untalented and untutored driver--as long as you don't put them in race mode. ABS, traction control and computer controlled differentials make them no worse than a 200 HP sporty car. Generally you can't really turn all the stuff off without some special tricks--turning off traction control just turns it down. Until recently Diane had a Bentley Continental Flying Spur--535 horsepower, capable of 195 MPH, and your Mom could drive it safely. Of course if she wasn't paying attention she might find herself doing 140 on the freeway--feels just the same as 55 except the other cars go by faster. Calling any of these things a "real man's car" is a little silly. My 360 Spider was great fun to drive, felt light and responsive. But any fool could drive it--I treated it like a Toyota, drove it all the time. For a real man's car I think you'd need something like a 62 Corvette, though come to think of it, that was Diane's daily driver when we first got together. And yes, I sold the Ferrari too. We moved to a small town, and they just don't fit the lifestyle. Oh, and it's dilemma. On May 5, 2011, at 7:32 AM, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: > Got a ride in the new Ferrari 458 Italia, this is also real power! > Frightening that anyone (with the big wallet) is allowed to drive such > missile! > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la > part de Mike Munson > Envoyi : jeudi 5 mai 2011 14:58 > @ : MadMarx; FoT Triumph > Objet : Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > > A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 > MPH! > For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and > Michelin DOT racing tires. > And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT > member! > > Mike Munson >> From the Corvette > factory > Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: > > Porsche 911. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 5 09:59:16 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 17:59:16 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <05FE0D63-C6D4-4461-BF6C-2E5AA39C2C80@bnj.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <002e01cc0b31$44ced350$ce6c79f0$@camoletti.ch> <05FE0D63-C6D4-4461-BF6C-2E5AA39C2C80@bnj.com> Message-ID: <001b01cc0b3d$662bf850$3283e8f0$@com> What has a town to do with a car? No tarmac roads? Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2011 17:54 An: Alexandre Camoletti Cc: 'Mike Munson'; 'MadMarx'; 'FoT Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Most of the really powerful 500 and up HP cars these days have enough computer oversight to make them controllable by even the untalented and untutored driver--as long as you don't put them in race mode. ABS, traction control and computer controlled differentials make them no worse than a 200 HP sporty car. Generally you can't really turn all the stuff off without some special tricks--turning off traction control just turns it down. Until recently Diane had a Bentley Continental Flying Spur--535 horsepower, capable of 195 MPH, and your Mom could drive it safely. Of course if she wasn't paying attention she might find herself doing 140 on the freeway--feels just the same as 55 except the other cars go by faster. Calling any of these things a "real man's car" is a little silly. My 360 Spider was great fun to drive, felt light and responsive. But any fool could drive it--I treated it like a Toyota, drove it all the time. For a real man's car I think you'd need something like a 62 Corvette, though come to think of it, that was Diane's daily driver when we first got together. And yes, I sold the Ferrari too. We moved to a small town, and they just don't fit the lifestyle. Oh, and it's dilemma. On May 5, 2011, at 7:32 AM, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: Got a ride in the new Ferrari 458 Italia, this is also real power! Frightening that anyone (with the big wallet) is allowed to drive such missile! -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Mike Munson Envoyi : jeudi 5 mai 2011 14:58 @ : MadMarx; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 MPH! For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and Michelin DOT racing tires. And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT member! Mike Munson >From the Corvette factory Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billb at bnj.com Thu May 5 10:36:00 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 09:36:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <001b01cc0b3d$662bf850$3283e8f0$@com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <002e01cc0b31$44ced350$ce6c79f0$@camoletti.ch> <05FE0D63-C6D4-4461-BF6C-2E5AA39C2C80@bnj.com> <001b01cc0b3d$662bf850$3283e8f0$@com> Message-ID: <9F9DEF47-D748-4587-AED5-7530B0E581DF@bnj.com> It's not the town, it's me. I've retired, and I'm concentrating on active sports--windsurfing, stand up paddling, kitesurfing, surfing, mountain biking. None of which fits a Ferrari well. My F350 truck works a lot better for that. The Ferrari was just sitting, not a good thing to do to a great car. For a fun car I'm building a TR3 from collected bits. On May 5, 2011, at 8:59 AM, MadMarx wrote: > What has a town to do with a car? > No tarmac roads? > > Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2011 17:54 > An: Alexandre Camoletti > Cc: 'Mike Munson'; 'MadMarx'; 'FoT Triumph' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > > Most of the really powerful 500 and up HP cars these days have enough computer oversight to make them controllable by even the untalented and untutored driver--as long as you don't put them in race mode. ABS, traction control and computer controlled differentials make them no worse than a 200 HP sporty car. Generally you can't really turn all the stuff off without some special tricks--turning off traction control just turns it down. > > Until recently Diane had a Bentley Continental Flying Spur--535 horsepower, capable of 195 MPH, and your Mom could drive it safely. Of course if she wasn't paying attention she might find herself doing 140 on the freeway--feels just the same as 55 except the other cars go by faster. > > Calling any of these things a "real man's car" is a little silly. My 360 Spider was great fun to drive, felt light and responsive. But any fool could drive it--I treated it like a Toyota, drove it all the time. For a real man's car I think you'd need something like a 62 Corvette, though come to think of it, that was Diane's daily driver when we first got together. > > And yes, I sold the Ferrari too. We moved to a small town, and they just don't fit the lifestyle. > > Oh, and it's dilemma. > > > On May 5, 2011, at 7:32 AM, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: > > > Got a ride in the new Ferrari 458 Italia, this is also real power! > Frightening that anyone (with the big wallet) is allowed to drive such > missile! > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la > part de Mike Munson > Envoyi : jeudi 5 mai 2011 14:58 > @ : MadMarx; FoT Triumph > Objet : Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > > A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 > MPH! > For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and > Michelin DOT racing tires. > And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT > member! > > Mike Munson > > From the Corvette > factory > Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: > > Porsche 911. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > > > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu May 5 10:42:52 2011 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 12:42:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Message-ID: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> What has a town to do with a car? No tarmac roads? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- Probably nothing really....but it draws a lot of attention, with even just an Ambro, TR3A, and a TR4 race car, in small town Iowa. "Oh ya, you're the guy with the funny little cars". To keep up with the neighbors, a nice pick up truck will do. > > > > From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 5 10:45:40 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 18:45:40 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <9F9DEF47-D748-4587-AED5-7530B0E581DF@bnj.com> References: <236727.28904.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001101cc0a29$9cc22d90$d64688b0$@com> <961376.37354.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <002e01cc0b31$44ced350$ce6c79f0$@camoletti.ch> <05FE0D63-C6D4-4461-BF6C-2E5AA39C2C80@bnj.com> <001b01cc0b3d$662bf850$3283e8f0$@com> <9F9DEF47-D748-4587-AED5-7530B0E581DF@bnj.com> Message-ID: <003c01cc0b43$e12d0480$a3870d80$@com> You should get a Lamborghini LM002 car  that would fit your sports well J Cheers Chris Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2011 18:36 An: MadMarx Cc: 'Alexandre Camoletti'; 'Mike Munson'; 'FoT Triumph' Betreff: Re: AW: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! It's not the town, it's me. I've retired, and I'm concentrating on active sports--windsurfing, stand up paddling, kitesurfing, surfing, mountain biking. None of which fits a Ferrari well. My F350 truck works a lot better for that. The Ferrari was just sitting, not a good thing to do to a great car. For a fun car I'm building a TR3 from collected bits. On May 5, 2011, at 8:59 AM, MadMarx wrote: What has a town to do with a car? No tarmac roads? Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2011 17:54 An: Alexandre Camoletti Cc: 'Mike Munson'; 'MadMarx'; 'FoT Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Most of the really powerful 500 and up HP cars these days have enough computer oversight to make them controllable by even the untalented and untutored driver--as long as you don't put them in race mode. ABS, traction control and computer controlled differentials make them no worse than a 200 HP sporty car. Generally you can't really turn all the stuff off without some special tricks--turning off traction control just turns it down. Until recently Diane had a Bentley Continental Flying Spur--535 horsepower, capable of 195 MPH, and your Mom could drive it safely. Of course if she wasn't paying attention she might find herself doing 140 on the freeway--feels just the same as 55 except the other cars go by faster. Calling any of these things a "real man's car" is a little silly. My 360 Spider was great fun to drive, felt light and responsive. But any fool could drive it--I treated it like a Toyota, drove it all the time. For a real man's car I think you'd need something like a 62 Corvette, though come to think of it, that was Diane's daily driver when we first got together. And yes, I sold the Ferrari too. We moved to a small town, and they just don't fit the lifestyle. Oh, and it's dilemma. On May 5, 2011, at 7:32 AM, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: Got a ride in the new Ferrari 458 Italia, this is also real power! Frightening that anyone (with the big wallet) is allowed to drive such missile! -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Mike Munson Envoyi : jeudi 5 mai 2011 14:58 @ : MadMarx; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! A REAL Man's car would be the 638 hp Corvette ZR1 with the top speed of 212 MPH! For 2012 they can come equipped from the factory with a racing seat and Michelin DOT racing tires. And if you buy one you will be supporting the racing efforts of a fellow FOT member! Mike Munson >From the Corvette factory Hmmm....maybe you should get a real men's car: Porsche 911. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu May 5 10:48:55 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 12:48:55 EDT Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Related... Message-ID: <3c8a1.6f2f8aac.3af42ef7@aol.com> Amici... Sorry, but this is Triumph related (sort of). At this time of year my heart and head are in Louisville for the KENTUCKY OAKS on Friday and the KENTUCKY DERBY on Saturday. Not a High Roller, nor even a frequent Horse Player, but handicapping the big horse races has been a hobby of mine for over thirty-five years. In the Third Race on Derby Day's undercard there is a dark brown colt named GOLDEN TRIUMPH with Tony Garcia in the irons. I have not handicapped that race yet, but Churchill's Morning Line Handicapper has him figured to come in 2nd. Bill (Damdinger) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 5 10:54:08 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 18:54:08 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> References: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> Message-ID: <004101cc0b45$0e36e7b0$2aa4b710$@com> Hmmm.....have you ever thought about the little boys in your neighborhood? When I was a little boy, the neighbor 8 houses far had a Maserati Quadroporte. I loved the noise when I laid in bed in the morning and woke up from the dark menace noise the car made when the owner drove to work. Make little boys happy! Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2011 18:43 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! What has a town to do with a car? No tarmac roads? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- Probably nothing really....but it draws a lot of attention, with even just an Ambro, TR3A, and a TR4 race car, in small town Iowa. "Oh ya, you're the guy with the funny little cars". To keep up with the neighbors, a nice pick up truck will do. > > > > From jhouathome at aol.com Thu May 5 11:50:53 2011 From: jhouathome at aol.com (jhouathome at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 13:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Related... In-Reply-To: <3c8a1.6f2f8aac.3af42ef7@aol.com> References: <3c8a1.6f2f8aac.3af42ef7@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDD9641D08E2CC-17C0-17881@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> Bill, Does he leak in the trailer? John -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: fot Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 12:11 pm Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Related... Amici... Sorry, but this is Triumph related (sort of). At this time of year my eart and head are in Louisville for the KENTUCKY OAKS on Friday and the ENTUCKY DERBY on Saturday. Not a High Roller, nor even a frequent Horse layer, ut handicapping the big horse races has been a hobby of mine for over hirty-five years. In the Third Race on Derby Day's undercard there is a dark brown colt named OLDEN TRIUMPH with Tony Garcia in the irons. I have not handicapped that ace yet, but Churchill's Morning Line Handicapper has him figured to come n 2nd. Bill (Damdinger) ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu May 5 12:16:32 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 11:16:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Related... In-Reply-To: <8CDD9641D08E2CC-17C0-17881@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> References: <3c8a1.6f2f8aac.3af42ef7@aol.com> <8CDD9641D08E2CC-17C0-17881@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <03BC0D3F7A6F4BABAF023F8631D4A990@Vista> I recall an old saying about having to Piss like a race horse! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jhouathome at aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:51 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH Related... Bill, Does he leak in the trailer? John -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: fot Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 12:11 pm Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Related... Amici... Sorry, but this is Triumph related (sort of). At this time of year my eart and head are in Louisville for the KENTUCKY OAKS on Friday and the ENTUCKY DERBY on Saturday. Not a High Roller, nor even a frequent Horse layer, ut handicapping the big horse races has been a hobby of mine for over hirty-five years. In the Third Race on Derby Day's undercard there is a dark brown colt named OLDEN TRIUMPH with Tony Garcia in the irons. I have not handicapped that ace yet, but Churchill's Morning Line Handicapper has him figured to come n 2nd. Bill (Damdinger) ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 5 12:17:27 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 20:17:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Le Mans In-Reply-To: <3c8a1.6f2f8aac.3af42ef7@aol.com> References: <3c8a1.6f2f8aac.3af42ef7@aol.com> Message-ID: <000301cc0b50$b233a500$169aef00$@com> It is not a Triumph, but the subtitles are really worth to see. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNJi7K0x3UI&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL Cheers Chris From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Thu May 5 13:22:28 2011 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 15:22:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> References: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> Message-ID: > Probably nothing really....but it draws a lot of attention, with even just > an Ambro, TR3A, and a TR4 race car, in small town Iowa. > > "Oh ya, you're the guy with the funny little cars". > > To keep up with the neighbors, a nice pick up truck will do. I'm "the one with all them dopey little cars". Or did he say," The dopey one with all them little cars"? John H. From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 5 13:31:55 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 15:31:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: References: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> Message-ID: <8CDD9723A3E8100-2D6C-26E50@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> good to hear a little friendly banter among the FOT. i have been missing this feature. some folks would prefer to calculate the HP required to propel a brick shaped object weighing 2000# at 130mph. that's ok, too. we are discussing adding a feature to the list to allow those folks to do that. more on that later. joe a. -----Original Message----- From: John Herrera To: Joe Alexander ; tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 2:22 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > Probably nothing really....but it draws a lot of attention, with even just > an Ambro, TR3A, and a TR4 race car, in small town Iowa. > > "Oh ya, you're the guy with the funny little cars". > > To keep up with the neighbors, a nice pick up truck will do. I'm "the one with all them dopey little cars". Or did he say," The dopey one with all them little cars"? John H. = From herald948 at aol.com Thu May 5 14:02:15 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 16:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <8CDD9723A3E8100-2D6C-26E50@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> References: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> <8CDD9723A3E8100-2D6C-26E50@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDD976753ED6DD-738-490D@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: n197tr4 some folks would prefer to calculate the HP required to propel a brick shaped object weighing 2000# at 130mph. ==AM== Like, say, a Triumph Mayflower? ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu May 5 15:06:03 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 17:06:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! Message-ID: <5601e.5c906355.3af46b3b@aol.com> If you're adding a feature how 'bout a "drunk" button so we know how to weigh the responses ;-)) In a message dated 5/5/2011 12:54:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: good to hear a little friendly banter among the FOT. i have been missing this feature. some folks would prefer to calculate the HP required to propel a brick shaped object weighing 2000# at 130mph. that's ok, too. we are discussing adding a feature to the list to allow those folks to do that. more on that later. joe a. -----Original Message----- From: John Herrera To: Joe Alexander ; tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 2:22 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! > Probably nothing really....but it draws a lot of attention, with even just > an Ambro, TR3A, and a TR4 race car, in small town Iowa. > > "Oh ya, you're the guy with the funny little cars". > > To keep up with the neighbors, a nice pick up truck will do. I'm "the one with all them dopey little cars". Or did he say," The dopey one with all them little cars"? John H. = _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu May 5 15:41:26 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 17:41:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! In-Reply-To: <8CDD976753ED6DD-738-490D@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> References: <41950.44ab06c1.3af42d8c@cs.com> <8CDD9723A3E8100-2D6C-26E50@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> <8CDD976753ED6DD-738-490D@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000601cc0b6d$2faa4310$8efec930$@rogers.com> A fast Mayflower...how about one with a 460 ford engine. Saw this at a show about 10 years ago. http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/460Mayflower.jpg http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/460Mayflower2.jpg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Mace Sent: May 5, 2011 4:02 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima... NOT TRIUMPH RELATED !!!! -----Original Message----- From: n197tr4 some folks would prefer to calculate the HP required to propel a brick shaped object weighing 2000# at 130mph. ==AM== Like, say, a Triumph Mayflower? ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From igofaster at att.net Fri May 6 07:31:37 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 06:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED Message-ID: <185765.53827.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> well nobody said I should dump the car.. I kind of like funny men in funny cars and that's what I'm sticking with... one more in the stable... Bobby Whitehead From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri May 6 10:02:48 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 18:02:48 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <185765.53827.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <185765.53827.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701cc0c07$0e764c80$2b62e580$@com> I didn't said it is a bad car, but so powerless. No punch on the throttle. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead Gesendet: Freitag, 6. Mai 2011 15:32 An: FoT Triumph Betreff: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED well nobody said I should dump the car.. I kind of like funny men in funny cars and that's what I'm sticking with... one more in the stable... Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri May 6 10:11:50 2011 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 12:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Tube ShoX for IRS TRs Message-ID: Hi, Is anyone out there running tube shock conversions on IRS TRs (4A IRS, TR250, TR5 or TR6)? I'm toying with trying that setup for my autocrosser, but I run 9.5" hoosier sliX (read over 10" wide), so I'm concerned about tire clearance. FWIW, I've seen the Gp 44 / Newman car and I know how that was done (with the pocket in the inner fender.) Just looking for options and / or stirring up a discussion... regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri May 6 10:38:09 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 16:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Tube ShoX for IRS TRs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1221920746.804526.1304699889892.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Robert, I have the shock conversion. I'll have the wheels on it sometime tomorrow. I can take a measurement and tell you how much clearance my 205's have. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 6, 2011 10:11:50 AM Subject: [Fot] Tube ShoX for IRS TRs Hi, Is anyone out there running tube shock conversions on IRS TRs (4A IRS, TR250, TR5 or TR6)? I'm toying with trying that setup for my autocrosser, but I run 9.5" hoosier sliX (read over 10" wide), so I'm concerned about tire clearance. FWIW, I've seen the Gp 44 / Newman car and I know how that was done (with the pocket in the inner fender.) Just looking for options and / or stirring up a discussion... regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Fri May 6 10:38:59 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 09:38:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED References: <185765.53827.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <002701cc0c07$0e764c80$2b62e580$@com> Message-ID: <291AE20962D24E5683A2F5C1B512C80B@Bud> Maybe we should have a MIATA CANNONBALL RUN(:>) RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" ; "'FoT Triumph'" Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED >I didn't said it is a bad car, but so powerless. > No punch on the throttle. > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead > Gesendet: Freitag, 6. Mai 2011 15:32 > An: FoT Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED > > well nobody said I should dump the car.. I kind of like funny men in funny > cars > and that's what I'm sticking with... > > one more in the stable... > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri May 6 10:43:52 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 18:43:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <291AE20962D24E5683A2F5C1B512C80B@Bud> References: <185765.53827.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <002701cc0c07$0e764c80$2b62e580$@com> <291AE20962D24E5683A2F5C1B512C80B@Bud> Message-ID: <004001cc0c0c$ce1c8c20$6a55a460$@com> Cannonball is the wrong word - marbles would fit better - ha ha ha! -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Gesendet: Freitag, 6. Mai 2011 18:39 An: MadMarx; 'Bobby Whitehead'; 'FoT Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED Maybe we should have a MIATA CANNONBALL RUN(:>) RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" ; "'FoT Triumph'" Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED >I didn't said it is a bad car, but so powerless. > No punch on the throttle. > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead > Gesendet: Freitag, 6. Mai 2011 15:32 > An: FoT Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED > > well nobody said I should dump the car.. I kind of like funny men in funny > cars > and that's what I'm sticking with... > > one more in the stable... > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From billb at bnj.com Fri May 6 12:25:47 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:25:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <291AE20962D24E5683A2F5C1B512C80B@Bud> References: <185765.53827.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <002701cc0c07$0e764c80$2b62e580$@com> <291AE20962D24E5683A2F5C1B512C80B@Bud> Message-ID: Clearly Chris has never driven one of the Monster Miatas. It's just like TR3's, which were less than 100 HP from the dealer. Miata Motors lend themselves to all kinds of fiddling--far more than any tractor motor. To the degree that Miata racing organizations have very strict rules about what you can do and lots of ways of checking for funny business--far too easy to pull ponies out of the cars. And then if it's not enough, you go Monster and drop in a V8. Oddly enough the V8 Miatas can handle very well, adds about 250 pounds to the car, and that can actually be shifted and fiddled to the degree that the weight distribution is 50/50 and total weight is less than stock. Big brake kit, some suspension upgrades, and we're talking truly amazing car. I've driven a very well prepared one, and it was in the realm of Ferrari performance. On May 6, 2011, at 9:38 AM, RACER BUD wrote: > Maybe we should have a MIATA CANNONBALL RUN(:>) > RB > ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" > To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" ; "'FoT Triumph'" > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 9:02 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED > > >> I didn't said it is a bad car, but so powerless. >> No punch on the throttle. >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im >> Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead >> Gesendet: Freitag, 6. Mai 2011 15:32 >> An: FoT Triumph >> Betreff: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED >> >> well nobody said I should dump the car.. I kind of like funny men in funny >> cars >> and that's what I'm sticking with... >> >> one more in the stable... >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri May 6 13:58:59 2011 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 19:58:59 GMT Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED Message-ID: <20110506.155859.29704.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Spec Miatas are very much a momentum car. Lift at the wrong place on the track and that lap is done. Need to draft where ever possible, which is why you often see them in a train and bump drafting. Also makes for big crashes, since when one gets out of whack there are usually others close by. They are a forgiving car and often when getting in trouble on the track just stand on the go pedal and it can be saved. If you want a car about the size of a Miata and performance like a monster miata, go for a Honda S2000. 240 HP out of the box for the 2 liter engine and 9000 redline. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Bill Babcock To: RACER BUD Cc: 'FoT Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:25:47 -0700 Clearly Chris has never driven one of the Monster Miatas. ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4dc45331231fa2d33e9st04duc From billb at bnj.com Fri May 6 14:05:47 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 13:05:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <20110506.155859.29704.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> References: <20110506.155859.29704.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <9516AED4-F462-452E-B1D6-0DE61788F8A9@bnj.com> ...and not much below 7000. I've driven one, great car, but make sure your fillings are in good shape before a trip. On May 6, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > Spec Miatas are very much a momentum car. Lift at the wrong place on the track and that lap is done. Need to draft where ever possible, which is why you often see them in a train and bump drafting. Also makes for big crashes, since when one gets out of whack there are usually others close by. > > They are a forgiving car and often when getting in trouble on the track just stand on the go pedal and it can be saved. > > If you want a car about the size of a Miata and performance like a monster miata, go for a Honda S2000. 240 HP out of the box for the 2 liter engine and 9000 redline. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Bill Babcock > To: RACER BUD > Cc: 'FoT Triumph' > Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED > Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:25:47 -0700 > > Clearly Chris has never driven one of the Monster Miatas. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Refinance Rates at 2.8% > $160,000 Mortgage $659/mo. No Hidden Points/Fees. 3.1% apr. Get Quote! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4dc453311f5132d4c77st02duc Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri May 6 14:38:44 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 16:38:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <9516AED4-F462-452E-B1D6-0DE61788F8A9@bnj.com> References: <20110506.155859.29704.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> <9516AED4-F462-452E-B1D6-0DE61788F8A9@bnj.com> Message-ID: <004801cc0c2d$983bf6b0$c8b3e410$@rogers.com> I sold my TR8s and got a 2001 BMW Z3 with the 3.0 engine and 5 speed. This car has the right combination in my book, retro look, torque, goes like stink, handles and still has all the creature comforts...and works. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: May 6, 2011 4:06 PM To: Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED ...and not much below 7000. I've driven one, great car, but make sure your fillings are in good shape before a trip. On May 6, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > Spec Miatas are very much a momentum car. Lift at the wrong place on > the track and that lap is done. Need to draft where ever possible, which is why you often see them in a train and bump drafting. Also makes for big crashes, since when one gets out of whack there are usually others close by. > > They are a forgiving car and often when getting in trouble on the > track just stand on the go pedal and it can be saved. > > If you want a car about the size of a Miata and performance like a > monster miata, go for a Honda S2000. 240 HP out of the box for the 2 liter engine and 9000 redline. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Bill Babcock > To: RACER BUD > Cc: 'FoT Triumph' > Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED > Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:25:47 -0700 > > Clearly Chris has never driven one of the Monster Miatas. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Refinance Rates at 2.8% > $160,000 Mortgage $659/mo. No Hidden Points/Fees. 3.1% apr. Get Quote! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4dc453311f5132d4c77st02duc Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From bownes at seiri.com Fri May 6 15:04:26 2011 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 17:04:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <004801cc0c2d$983bf6b0$c8b3e410$@rogers.com> References: <20110506.155859.29704.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> <9516AED4-F462-452E-B1D6-0DE61788F8A9@bnj.com> <004801cc0c2d$983bf6b0$c8b3e410$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <35966F77-91BA-4A4F-9B73-398CCC0D5803@seiri.com> Try the original M Coupe. :) BMW gave me one for a while when they first came out. Omi. :) On May 6, 2011, at 16:38, "macdonaldp" wrote: > I sold my TR8s and got a 2001 BMW Z3 with the 3.0 engine and 5 speed. This > car has the right combination in my book, retro look, torque, goes like > stink, handles and still has all the creature comforts...and works. > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: May 6, 2011 4:06 PM > To: Joe Boruch > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED > > ...and not much below 7000. I've driven one, great car, but make sure your > fillings are in good shape before a trip. > > On May 6, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > >> Spec Miatas are very much a momentum car. Lift at the wrong place on >> the > track and that lap is done. Need to draft where ever possible, which is why > you often see them in a train and bump drafting. Also makes for big > crashes, since when one gets out of whack there are usually others close by. >> >> They are a forgiving car and often when getting in trouble on the >> track just > stand on the go pedal and it can be saved. >> >> If you want a car about the size of a Miata and performance like a >> monster > miata, go for a Honda S2000. 240 HP out of the box for the 2 liter engine > and > 9000 redline. Joe(B) >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: Bill Babcock >> To: RACER BUD >> Cc: 'FoT Triumph' >> Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED >> Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:25:47 -0700 >> >> Clearly Chris has never driven one of the Monster Miatas. >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Refinance Rates at 2.8% >> $160,000 Mortgage $659/mo. No Hidden Points/Fees. 3.1% apr. Get Quote! >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4dc453311f5132d4c77st02duc > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri May 6 15:11:17 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 21:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <20110506.155859.29704.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <1304526974.816319.1304716277828.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I raced a spec miata last year ( scca ) and they do handle like crazy and the draft is important. Get out of the draft and your toast, did a bit of bump drafting too at PPIR. The top 4 or 5 miata drivers are still turning faster lap times than the TR's by about 3 -4B seconds a lap at High Plains but I expect to narrow that gap next week. The Miata's in spec trim weigh right about 2100 with driver, same size tires. A strong spec miata motor will have 118 - 120 HP. Their advantages are, lower CG, 50/50 weight distribution, wider track, better suspension & brakes and much better aero by far. At PPIR we hit the apex at T-2 at 115 MPH and continue to climb right up to T3 in a SM. In the TR4 it's more like 105 and not a lot after that up to T3. That's a lot to give up every lap. One neat little trick the SM guys do is actually hook thier wheels in the inside of the curbing which works really neat when it works, when you get it wrong it generally goes really wrong. It would be interesting to see what they would be like if modified to the level some of our cars are. Great cars though, I'm a big fan. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: billb at bnj.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 6, 2011 1:58:59 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED Spec Miatas are very much a momentum car. B Lift at the wrong place on the track and that lap is done. B Need to draft where ever possible, which is why you often see them in a train and bump drafting. B Also makes for big crashes, since when one gets out of whack there are usually others close by. They are a forgiving car and often when getting in trouble on the track just stand on the go pedal and it can be saved. If you want a car about the size of a Miata and performance like a monster miata, go for a Honda S2000. B 240 HP out of the box for the 2 liter engine and 9000 redline. B Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Bill Babcock To: RACER BUD Cc: 'FoT Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:25:47 -0700 Clearly Chris has never driven one of the Monster Miatas. ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4dc45331231fa2d33e9st04duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From gaf3 at charter.net Fri May 6 17:31:02 2011 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 19:31:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] miata delima : NOT TRIUMPH RELATED In-Reply-To: <004801cc0c2d$983bf6b0$c8b3e410$@rogers.com> References: <20110506.155859.29704.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> <9516AED4-F462-452E-B1D6-0DE61788F8A9@bnj.com> <004801cc0c2d$983bf6b0$c8b3e410$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DC484B6.2030404@charter.net> I have a barn full of Triumphs and I had a weak moment last year and picked up a 2000 Miata with only 50K on the clock. Nice car, some scuttle shake, everything works even the A/C. I towed it behind my motorhome last summer for 5K Miles on on to the Oregon Coast. Not the character or the Triumphs but again I don't have a list on the windshield of things to be done. Fun Car, reasonably priced. I like it!! Glenn On 5/6/2011 4:38 PM, macdonaldp wrote: > > I sold my TR8s and got a 2001 BMW Z3 with the 3.0 engine and 5 speed. This > car has the right combination in my book, retro look, torque, goes like > stink, handles and still has all the creature comforts...and works. > > Paul From igofaster at att.net Sat May 7 14:44:12 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 13:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] member nomination Message-ID: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. I have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He recently purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. I would like to nominate Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... Bobby Whitehead ... wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of today... From budscars at comcast.net Sat May 7 15:13:39 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 14:13:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] member nomination References: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I 2nd the nomination....welcome Jeff!.. Racer Bud...Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 1:44 PM Subject: [Fot] member nomination > I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. > > I have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He > recently > purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. > > I would like to nominate > > Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network > > jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... > > Bobby Whitehead ... > > wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of > today... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Sat May 7 15:27:27 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 17:27:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] member nomination Message-ID: <12c62a.1def265.3af7133f@aol.com> I second the nomination. Sam Clark In a message dated 5/7/2011 4:11:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, igofaster at att.net writes: I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. I have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He recently purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. I would like to nominate Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... Bobby Whitehead ... wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of today... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat May 7 15:30:40 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 16:30:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend Message-ID: <20110507213048.EF046187650@autox.team.net> Anyone besides me going to Road America May 13-15? Tony Drews From jerrybarr at charter.net Sat May 7 15:58:06 2011 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 16:58:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] member nomination In-Reply-To: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6337ACF1-781A-4604-88E1-7C755DE180BA@charter.net> Mustangs and GT6s What more can you ask?I second Jeff. On May 7, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. > > I have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He recently > purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. > > I would like to nominate > > Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network > > jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... > > Bobby Whitehead ... > > wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of > today... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Sat May 7 17:21:31 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 19:21:31 EDT Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend Message-ID: <12ebd4.5dc3bdf2.3af72dfb@aol.com> I wish. My wife and I were coming back from the 6-PACK trials that were held in Door County, WI a couple years back and met up with Larry Young, a member of our Club who was racing his TR3, and we were impressed with the track and the competition. Just can't give up the vacation time and the money. Good luck to all that can attend. Sam Green Country Triumphs (Tulsa) In a message dated 5/7/2011 4:52:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tony at tonydrews.com writes: Anyone besides me going to Road America May 13-15? Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From andre at gt6.ca Wed May 4 15:54:26 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 17:54:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Your ridiculously cool Triumph GT6 wallpaper is here Message-ID: Well I'll rank this in the pretty freaking cool section in life. http://jalopnik.com/5798686/ A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From sm1ski at dslextreme.com Fri May 6 09:44:14 2011 From: sm1ski at dslextreme.com (michael a kowalski) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 09:44:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 front uprights-race use References: <1948d.3f360b6.3af2079a@aol.com> Message-ID: <8042D273135642899989679B41DFE2E2@sarako> I just contacted Canley via email to ask about strength tests and was given the impression that they were available---I did not ask the specific question because I have worries from a message like the one below. mike kowalski 1500 FP spit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 front uprights-race use > They have been severely slated on the Brit car forums as poorly > engineered. They don't seem to be available last I checked, perhaps going > thru a > rethink? Dave Pearson is a top bloke so it will be right in the end. > > > In a message dated 5/3/2011 7:34:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > herald948 at aol.com writes: > > What about the "Trunnionless Front Suspension Kit" offered by Canley > Classics > in the UK: > > > http://www.canleyclassics.com/?xhtml=xhtml/product/catkit1.html&xsl=product. > x > sl > > NFI, just aware that it's out there.... > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Enquiries Road & Track > > I am researching alternatives for the front suspension uprights & > wishbones > > on my wifes Gt6 Triumph racer.... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sm1ski at dslextreme.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Sat May 7 18:32:59 2011 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 17:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend In-Reply-To: <20110507213048.EF046187650@autox.team.net> References: <20110507213048.EF046187650@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <246215.40775.qm@web125704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I plan on being there so I might as well start asking for a spare crew pass. Ernie ________________________________ From: Tony Drews To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 4:30:40 PM Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend Anyone besides me going to Road America May 13-15? Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From igofaster at att.net Sat May 7 19:08:22 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 18:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... In-Reply-To: <6337ACF1-781A-4604-88E1-7C755DE180BA@charter.net> References: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6337ACF1-781A-4604-88E1-7C755DE180BA@charter.net> Message-ID: <691202.1094.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> hey I have a new Mustang too and I didn't get barred .. my first was in 1976, a 1973 Mustang Grande' with a 351 Cleveland. Green with a sweet white vinyl top. Auto trans, I remember I put an Edelbrock manifold and a 4 barrel Holley with a Mach 1 hood.... 'course I was wearing some David Bowie blue shiny vinyl zip up jacket and my hair was down to my shoulders.... ahhhh.... back when I had hair... Bobby Whitehead I grew it all out and then it was gone.... ________________________________ From: Jerry Barr To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 4:58:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] member nomination Mustangs and GT6s What more can you ask?I second Jeff. On May 7, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. > > I have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He recently > purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. > > I would like to nominate > > Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network > > jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... > > Bobby Whitehead ... > > wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of > today... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat May 7 19:26:50 2011 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 18:26:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4A engine on Craigslist Message-ID: <4DC5F15A.6090701@greenheart.com> No interested here... but forwarding to the group in case someone's looking for an engine, or a head, etc. --Justin -------- Original Message -------- Web 1 new result for TR4A site:craigslist.org Triumph TR4 TR4A Engine Triumph TR4 TR4A Engine $100Seattle. Date 20110507 226PM PDT Reply to salerxujq2368323812craigslistorgErrors when replying to ads ... seattle.craigslist.org/see/pts/2368323812.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ti From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat May 7 19:30:06 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 21:30:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... In-Reply-To: <691202.1094.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <6337ACF1-781A-4604-88E1-7C755DE180BA@charter.net>, <691202.1094.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hmmmm, I had much more hair in the 70's prior to owning a Triumph (4 wheel anyhow) also. I see a correlation here. Triumphs make your hair less pronounced :) Marty > Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 18:08:22 -0700 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: jerrybarr at charter.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... > > hey I have a new Mustang too and I didn't get barred .. > > my first was in 1976, a 1973 Mustang Grande' with a 351 Cleveland. Green with a > sweet white vinyl top. Auto trans, I remember I put an Edelbrock manifold and a > 4 barrel Holley with a Mach 1 hood.... 'course I was wearing some David Bowie > blue shiny vinyl zip up jacket and my hair was down to my shoulders.... > ahhhh.... back when I had hair... > > Bobby Whitehead > > I grew it all out and then it was gone.... > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Jerry Barr > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 4:58:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] member nomination > > Mustangs and GT6s What more can you ask?I second Jeff. > On May 7, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > > I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. > > > > I have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He recently > > purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. > > > > I would like to nominate > > > > Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network > > > > jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... > > > > Bobby Whitehead ... > > > > wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of > > today... > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sat May 7 20:02:45 2011 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 19:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... In-Reply-To: References: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <6337ACF1-781A-4604-88E1-7C755DE180BA@charter.net>, <691202.1094.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <372973.87841.qm@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I still have a full head of hair, but it definitely is much more grey. ----- Original Message ---- From: marty sukey To: igofaster at att.net; jerrybarr at charter.net Cc: FOT Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 9:30:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... Hmmmm, I had much more hair in the 70's prior to owning a Triumph (4 wheel anyhow) also. I see a correlation here. Triumphs make your hair less pronounced :) Marty > Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 18:08:22 -0700 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: jerrybarr at charter.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... > > hey I have a new Mustang too and I didn't get barred .. > > my first was in 1976, a 1973 Mustang Grande' with a 351 Cleveland. Green with a > sweet white vinyl top. Auto trans, I remember I put an Edelbrock manifold and a > 4 barrel Holley with a Mach 1 hood.... 'course I was wearing some David Bowie > blue shiny vinyl zip up jacket and my hair was down to my shoulders.... > ahhhh.... back when I had hair... > > Bobby Whitehead > > I grew it all out and then it was gone.... > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Jerry Barr > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 4:58:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] member nomination > > Mustangs and GT6s What more can you ask?I second Jeff. > On May 7, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > > I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. > > > > I have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He recently > > purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. > > > > I would like to nominate > > > > Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network > > > > jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... > > > > Bobby Whitehead ... > > > > wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of > > today... > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From jkhagen at charter.net Sat May 7 20:50:25 2011 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 22:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend Message-ID: <6f78f346.2d5d7.12fcd835116.Webtop.48@charter.net> Tony-I'll be pre-viewing '62 Tr-4 last raced 1977 BIR SCCA. Dyno went well-but Test and tune day 5/2 at BIR got snowed out! So we'll just go with it. John Hagen On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Anyone besides me going to Road America May 13-15? > > Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun May 8 06:45:05 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 08 May 2011 08:45:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend In-Reply-To: <6f78f346.2d5d7.12fcd835116.Webtop.48@charter.net> References: <6f78f346.2d5d7.12fcd835116.Webtop.48@charter.net> Message-ID: <8CDDB94E4251337-900-47BD1@Webmail-d108.sysops.aol.com> good luck John. let us know how it goes. some of us will be in MO that weekend.... -----Original Message----- From: jkhagen at charter.net To: Tony Drews Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 9:50 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend Tony-I'll be pre-viewing '62 Tr-4 last raced 1977 BIR SCCA. Dyno went well-but Test and tune day 5/2 at BIR got snowed out! So we'll just go with it. John Hagen On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Anyone besides me going to Road America May 13-15? > > Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jsnook at wcnet.org Sun May 8 06:51:03 2011 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 08:51:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Road America Message-ID: <27B538B6-C176-41F4-AC65-E85C5113338A@wcnet.org> I'll be at RA this coming weekend, racing my Alexis FFord and not my TR3. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sun May 8 08:38:25 2011 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 07:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 345 gear set Message-ID: <301281.83572.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - anyone have a 345 ring and pinion to sell? Happy Mothers Day Dennis From BillDentin at aol.com Sun May 8 10:01:45 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 12:01:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] Road America Message-ID: Alas...Bob Wismer and I will miss our first May ROAD AMERICA vintage event ever. We both have grand children graduating this week end. Bob has grandsons graduating from WISCONSIN and Moline High School. I'll be in Fargo, ans I have a grand daughter graduating from North Dakota State University. Pity! We hate to miss it...but Bill Dentinger From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sun May 8 10:09:05 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 11:09:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend In-Reply-To: <20110507213048.EF046187650@autox.team.net> References: <20110507213048.EF046187650@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000101cc0d9a$41b8b350$c52a19f0$@com> We won't have the car ready but I'm going to try and get over to visit. Can I still get in with my VSCDA membership? If not if there is another extra crew pass I could use it. No big deal though, would probably just come over on either Friday afternoon or Saturday afternoon. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 4:31 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend Anyone besides me going to Road America May 13-15? Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From BillDentin at aol.com Sun May 8 10:35:06 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 12:35:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumph related, sort of... Message-ID: <34e39.7b6ee2c9.3af8203a@aol.com> Amici... Yesterday, in race number three on the Kentucky Derby Day under card, #2 Golden Triumph went off as the second favorite at just under three to one odds (I had him figured to run fourth). He had a sluggish start that appeared to be related to electrical issues, but still rushed to a forward position early in the race. Then at the half way point he appeared to hit an invisible wall and fell back to 6th (a fuel flow issue?). He was tired but showing a stiff upper lip, he still came back to finish in a dead heat for 5th. Make no mistake. Golden Triumph horse is a true blue blood. He cost his owners $400,000 in 2009. His daddy is Bernardini, who charges a $75,000 stud fee, and who just serviced super mare Zenyatta. His Mom is a mare out of Mr. Prospector. These are all top shelf blood lines. This was only his second start, and I think he should be expected to improve. Bill (Damdinger) From BillDentin at aol.com Sun May 8 10:36:39 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 12:36:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] Anyone going to Road America next weekend Message-ID: <34fdf.790b4018.3af82097@aol.com> In a message dated 05/08/2011 11:27:32 AM Central Daylight Time, timmurph at fastbytes.com writes: > We won't have the car ready but I'm going to try and get over to visit. > Can > I still get in with my VSCDA membership? If not if there is another extra > crew pass I could use it. No big deal though, would probably just come > over > on either Friday afternoon or Saturday afternoon. > Probably not. While they are the sanctioning body, this is a ROAD AMERICA event Bill Dentinger From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun May 8 16:49:42 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 16:49:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] How to take 10lbs off a tr4 with 6 screwss Message-ID: <20110508225206.6AEE5187899@autox.team.net> Just unscrew the bottoms of the front fenders. I think I had a family of ferrets in mine. Made a nest out of klag. jim g From chasgee at aol.com Mon May 9 09:52:05 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 11:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood Message-ID: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> Hello All, Years ago I bought a really lightweight fiberglass hood for my 1500 Spitifre from a guy in Kansas. Thanks to the "redesign" I did at Portland, I need to replace the one I have. Unfortunaltey, I can't find any of my old information regarding the supplier. Does anyone know this guy or have a good source for 1500 fiberglass hoods? Thanks, Chuck Gee From spitlist at cox.net Mon May 9 11:53:43 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 10:53:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas Message-ID: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> Folks, I am trying to gather as much information about this person as possible. He seems to be a very (should I say) PROUD individual who has said some pretty nasty things about certain well respected individuals that we all know. So I would like some first hand information from people who have dealt with him so that I can formulate a more complete picture of what this guy is all about. I am already aware of the dealings he has had with Steve Smith so anything else that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joe Curry From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon May 9 12:03:45 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 11:03:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> Message-ID: Didn't he go by GT Thomas and wrote some tuning articles for triumph? Especially noted the 6 to 3 exhaust header for TR and GT sixes. Or are you talking about the rugby guy? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 10:53 AM Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas > Folks, > > I am trying to gather as much information about this person as possible. > He > seems to be a very (should I say) PROUD individual who has said some > pretty > nasty things about certain well respected individuals that we all know. > So > I would like some first hand information from people who have dealt with > him > so that I can formulate a more complete picture of what this guy is all > about. I am already aware of the dealings he has had with Steve Smith so > anything else that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Curry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From jeffn at micro.com Mon May 9 13:45:24 2011 From: jeffn at micro.com (jeffn at micro.com) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 14:45:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... In-Reply-To: <372973.87841.qm@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <851566.29161.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <6337ACF1-781A-4604-88E1-7C755DE180BA@charter.net>, <691202.1094.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <372973.87841.qm@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <64963.64.73.123.177.1304970324.squirrel@www.micro.com> Bobby, Thanks for the nomination. I have all three covered mustangs, one triumph and plenty of hair. Jeff > I still have a full head of hair, but it definitely is much more grey. > ----- Original Message ---- > From: marty sukey > To: > igofaster at att.net; jerrybarr at charter.net > Cc: FOT > Sent: > Sat, May 7, 2011 9:30:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... > Hmmmm, I had much more hair in the 70's prior to owning a Triumph (4 > wheel > anyhow) also. I see a correlation here. Triumphs make your hair less > pronounced :) > > Marty > >> Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 18:08:22 -0700 >> From: > igofaster at att.net >> To: jerrybarr at charter.net >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> > Subject: [Fot] Mustangs, Triumphs and Hair ... >> >> hey I have a new Mustang > too and I didn't get barred .. >> >> my first was in 1976, a 1973 Mustang > Grande' with a 351 Cleveland. Green > with a >> sweet white vinyl top. Auto > trans, I remember I put an Edelbrock manifold > and a >> 4 barrel Holley with a > Mach 1 hood.... 'course I was wearing some David > Bowie >> blue shiny vinyl zip > up jacket and my hair was down to my shoulders.... >> ahhhh.... back when I had > hair... >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> >> I grew it all out and then it was gone.... >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Jerry Barr > >> To: Bobby Whitehead >> Cc: > Friends of Triumph >> Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 4:58:06 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Fot] member nomination >> >> Mustangs and GT6s What more can you > ask?I second Jeff. >> On May 7, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >> > > I've never done this before except to say 'second' the nomination. >> > >> > I > have a friend in CVAR that races with our group in a Mustang. He > recently >> > > purchased a really nice GT6 MKI. Nicely prepared street version. >> > >> > I > would like to nominate >> > >> > Jeff Neatherly to the F.o.T. network >> > >> > > jeffn at micro.com is Jeff's email... >> > >> > Bobby Whitehead ... >> > >> > > wrenching on the TR6 this weekend... no autopsy report on my GT6+ as of >> > > today... >> > _______________________________________________ >> > > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net >> > _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffn at micro.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon May 9 14:52:17 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 20:52:17 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Among the missing Message-ID: I have discovered that I have had the MSN e-mail address service blocked out on my computer. So, if you have sent me a message in the past couple weeks or even months and I did not reply, that was the reason. Hopefully all is correct now. From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Mon May 9 14:58:00 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 16:58:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood In-Reply-To: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <26985264-EA68-43DF-B442-33A4A550F013@aol.com> Chuck I have a steel one in good shape. Some dents but very little to no rust. I had looked into honeybourne in the uk and it seemed that for about $1500 total i could get one of theirs shipped to me. Other than that I don't know of any other place. Chris On May 9, 2011, at 11:52 AM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > Hello All, > > Years ago I bought a really lightweight fiberglass hood for my 1500 Spitifre > from a guy in Kansas. Thanks to the "redesign" I did at Portland, I need to > replace the one I have. Unfortunaltey, I can't find any of my old information > regarding the supplier. Does anyone know this guy or have a good source for > 1500 fiberglass hoods? > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From billb at bnj.com Mon May 9 17:24:11 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 16:24:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> Message-ID: <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> You mean the gay rugby player? On May 9, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > Folks, > > I am trying to gather as much information about this person as possible. He > seems to be a very (should I say) PROUD individual who has said some pretty > nasty things about certain well respected individuals that we all know. So > I would like some first hand information from people who have dealt with him > so that I can formulate a more complete picture of what this guy is all > about. I am already aware of the dealings he has had with Steve Smith so > anything else that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Curry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spitlist at cox.net Mon May 9 18:44:18 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 17:44:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> Message-ID: When I googled him, I ran across that as well. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be the same person. If it was, it would be very easy to dismiss him. :-) Joe _____ From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:24 PM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas You mean the gay rugby player? On May 9, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Joe Curry wrote: Folks, I am trying to gather as much information about this person as possible. He seems to be a very (should I say) PROUD individual who has said some pretty nasty things about certain well respected individuals that we all know. So I would like some first hand information from people who have dealt with him so that I can formulate a more complete picture of what this guy is all about. I am already aware of the dealings he has had with Steve Smith so anything else that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joe Curry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From john at race-dogs.com Mon May 9 19:12:22 2011 From: john at race-dogs.com (John Wilkins) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 18:12:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood In-Reply-To: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000301cc0eaf$51048c60$f30da520$@com> http://www.performancefiberglass.com/spitfire.htm Maybe this guy- JW -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of chasgee at aol.com Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 8:52 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood Hello All, Years ago I bought a really lightweight fiberglass hood for my 1500 Spitifre from a guy in Kansas. Thanks to the "redesign" I did at Portland, I need to replace the one I have. Unfortunaltey, I can't find any of my old information regarding the supplier. Does anyone know this guy or have a good source for 1500 fiberglass hoods? Thanks, Chuck Gee _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at race-dogs.com -- This message was scanned WACS, Inc. Spam Filters is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=5E4B527FF8.77A29 From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon May 9 20:39:13 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 19:39:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Message-ID: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net> Just thought I'd check again. Has anyone received a confirmation of entry to this event this year? From sjanzen at me.com Mon May 9 20:41:31 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 22:41:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> Message-ID: <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com> hey, guys, no homophobic remarks please. I didn't think this was the forum for politics, personal prejudices or religion, other than any of those related to worship of Our Lady of Internal Combustion. On May 9, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Joe Curry wrote: When I googled him, I ran across that as well. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be the same person. If it was, it would be very easy to dismiss him. :-) Joe _____ From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:24 PM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas You mean the gay rugby player? On May 9, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Joe Curry wrote: Folks, I am trying to gather as much information about this person as possible. He seems to be a very (should I say) PROUD individual who has said some pretty nasty things about certain well respected individuals that we all know. So I would like some first hand information from people who have dealt with him so that I can formulate a more complete picture of what this guy is all about. I am already aware of the dealings he has had with Steve Smith so anything else that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joe Curry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 9 21:31:02 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 23:31:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net> References: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CDDCD9D2547719-21A0-747@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> Jim, I am hoping that one of the Kastner Cup committee will pop up and answer this question. I am aware that you are on Paul Smock's list. He and John indicated that they had calls into HMSA to try to find out who all is registered. We plan to wait until we are sure we are going to have a car in tow to California. It's looking pretty good based on the noise I heard today. Looking forward to it. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Jim Norlin To: FOT Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 9:39 pm Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Just thought I'd check again. Has anyone received a confirmation of entry to this event this year? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 9 22:09:22 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 23:09:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net> References: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20110510040937.C59BF18766A@autox.team.net> I've received nothing. They appear to not have cashed the check I sent either. So, the whole thing is either lost in the mail and I'll find out about that after 4 days of towing, or they're just being quiet about the whole thing. Kinda frustrating. The buttonwillow event, on the other hand gave me almost instant feedback that my registration went through. I kinda expected to see a few messages regarding this event as we're getting pretty close. Tony Drews At 09:39 PM 5/9/2011, Jim Norlin wrote: > Just thought I'd check again. Has anyone received a > confirmation of entry to this event this year? >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Mon May 9 22:15:46 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 21:15:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <20110510040937.C59BF18766A@autox.team.net> References: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net> <20110510040937.C59BF18766A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I will check with HMSA as soon as Cris returns my calls and will see that he sends out confirmations to all that have registered so far. On May 9, 2011 9:09 PM, "Tony Drews" wrote: > I've received nothing. They appear to not have cashed the check I > sent either. So, the whole thing is either lost in the mail and I'll > find out about that after 4 days of towing, or they're just being > quiet about the whole thing. Kinda frustrating. > > The buttonwillow event, on the other hand gave me almost instant > feedback that my registration went through. > > I kinda expected to see a few messages regarding this event as we're > getting pretty close. > > Tony Drews > > At 09:39 PM 5/9/2011, Jim Norlin wrote: >> Just thought I'd check again. Has anyone received a >> confirmation of entry to this event this year? >>_______________________________________________ >>fot at autox.team.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From chasgee at aol.com Mon May 9 22:23:18 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 00:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood In-Reply-To: <20DC70733C584DB3ACDA3ECEB30990E4@sarako> References: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> <26985264-EA68-43DF-B442-33A4A550F013@aol.com> <20DC70733C584DB3ACDA3ECEB30990E4@sarako> Message-ID: <8CDDCE11F8C3AAB-1B64-C9AE@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> Thanks guys, but I have a steel one. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: michael a kowalski To: Christopher Bock ; chasgee Cc: FOT Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 7:05 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood if you are considering steel alternatives like the last message, I have one ith flares that is heavy like steel. but you can have it. mike kowalski 500 FP spit ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Christopher Bock" o: c: ent: Monday, May 09, 2011 2:58 PM ubject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood Chuck I have a steel one in good shape. Some dents but very little to no rust. I had looked into honeybourne in the uk and it seemed that for about $1500 total i could get one of theirs shipped to me. Other than that I don't know of any other place. Chris On May 9, 2011, at 11:52 AM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > Hello All, > > Years ago I bought a really lightweight fiberglass hood for my 1500 Spitifre > from a guy in Kansas. Thanks to the "redesign" I did at Portland, I need to > replace the one I have. Unfortunaltey, I can't find any of my old information > regarding the supplier. Does anyone know this guy or have a good source for > 1500 fiberglass hoods? > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sm1ski at dslextreme.com From chasgee at aol.com Mon May 9 22:26:34 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 00:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood In-Reply-To: <000301cc0eaf$51048c60$f30da520$@com> References: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> <000301cc0eaf$51048c60$f30da520$@com> Message-ID: <8CDDCE1944CA970-1B64-CAF2@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> Thanks John. That looks like the guy I bought from before. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: John Wilkins To: chasgee ; FOT Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 6:12 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood http://www.performancefiberglass.com/spitfire.htm Maybe this guy- JW -----Original Message----- rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On ehalf Of chasgee at aol.com ent: Monday, May 09, 2011 8:52 AM o: FOT at autox.team.net ubject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood Hello All, Years ago I bought a really lightweight fiberglass hood for my 1500 Spitifre rom a guy in Kansas. Thanks to the "redesign" I did at Portland, I need to eplace the one I have. Unfortunaltey, I can't find any of my old nformation egarding the supplier. Does anyone know this guy or have a good source for 500 fiberglass hoods? Thanks, Chuck Gee ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at race-dogs.com -- his message was scanned WACS, Inc. Spam Filters is believed to be clean. lick here to report this message as spam. ttp://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=5E4B527FF8.77A29 From billb at bnj.com Tue May 10 00:21:41 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 23:21:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com> References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com> Message-ID: <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com> What exactly is homophobic about referring to an openly gay rugby player as a gay rugby player? If you took the time to do a little research instead of leaping to judge you'd find ample reason to dismiss that particular person's comments that have nothing to do with homophobia, as Joe wrote--he's an outrageous character. There's always someone ready to tell other people what they should or should not say. I find that far more offensive than any presumed prejudice. On May 9, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > hey, guys, no homophobic remarks please. I didn't think this was the forum for politics, personal prejudices or religion, other than any of those related to worship of Our Lady of Internal Combustion. > > > > On May 9, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > > When I googled him, I ran across that as well. Unfortunately, it doesn't > appear to be the same person. If it was, it would be very easy to dismiss > him. :-) > > > > Joe > > > > _____ > > From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] > Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:24 PM > To: Joe Curry > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas > > > > You mean the gay rugby player? > > On May 9, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > > > > > > Folks, > > I am trying to gather as much information about this person as possible. He > seems to be a very (should I say) PROUD individual who has said some pretty > nasty things about certain well respected individuals that we all know. So > I would like some first hand information from people who have dealt with him > so that I can formulate a more complete picture of what this guy is all > about. I am already aware of the dealings he has had with Steve Smith so > anything else that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Curry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > > > > > Bill Babcock > > billb at bnj.com > > 503.936.7660 > > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue May 10 07:32:58 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 09:32:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com> References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com> <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com> Message-ID: I agree with you that excessive political correctness can be as narrow minded as the other extreme. If I came to the wrong conclusion, I apologize for that. I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was appropriate, especially in the context of the prior emails. Near as I can tell, Gareth Thomas (the rugby player) was an outrageously good rugby player for reasons having nothing to do with being gay, long before he came out. The only reason his being gay is news is that there are so few professional athletes willing to be public about it in an environment that is typically anti-gay. So, would you routinely describe Kobe Bryant as that straight basketball player? Lewis Hamilton as that straight F1 driver? Tom Brady as that straight NFL quarterback? OK, I'm sticking to Triumph subjects in this forum from now on . . . anybody else going to be at Summit Point for the Jefferson 500 this weekend? On May 10, 2011, at 2:21 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: What exactly is homophobic about referring to an openly gay rugby player as a gay rugby player? If you took the time to do a little research instead of leaping to judge you'd find ample reason to dismiss that particular person's comments that have nothing to do with homophobia, as Joe wrote--he's an outrageous character. There's always someone ready to tell other people what they should or should not say. I find that far more offensive than any presumed prejudice. On May 9, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > hey, guys, no homophobic remarks please. I didn't think this was the forum for politics, personal prejudices or religion, other than any of those related to worship of Our Lady of Internal Combustion. > > > > On May 9, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > > When I googled him, I ran across that as well. Unfortunately, it doesn't > appear to be the same person. If it was, it would be very easy to dismiss > him. :-) > > > > Joe > > > > _____ > > From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] > Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:24 PM > To: Joe Curry > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas > > > > You mean the gay rugby player? > > On May 9, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > > > > > > Folks, > > I am trying to gather as much information about this person as possible. He > seems to be a very (should I say) PROUD individual who has said some pretty > nasty things about certain well respected individuals that we all know. So > I would like some first hand information from people who have dealt with him > so that I can formulate a more complete picture of what this guy is all > about. I am already aware of the dealings he has had with Steve Smith so > anything else that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Curry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > > > > > Bill Babcock > > billb at bnj.com > > 503.936.7660 > > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From BillDentin at aol.com Tue May 10 08:12:53 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 10:12:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas Message-ID: <27b0b6.5efd3da1.3afaa1e5@aol.com> In a message dated 05/10/2011 1:22:39 AM Central Daylight Time, billb at bnj.com writes: > What exactly is homophobic about referring to an openly gay rugby player > as a > gay rugby player? Right. But you said 'the gay rugby player' and not 'a gay rugby player'. I took it to mean 'the gay rugby player named Gareth Thomas' as opposed to those gay rugby players not name Gareth Thomas. Hence, I was not offended. Bill (Damdinger) However, if the 'Triumph related' Gareth Thomas is gay, I'd appreciate getting a heads up off list. I do not consider myself homophobic, but I am still cautious. From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue May 10 08:50:40 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 10:50:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Free case of VR1 Racing Synthetic Motor Oil, after mail in rebate Message-ID: <380-220115210145040245@M2W108.mail2web.com> Hi gang! I just came across this and wanted to share: http://www.valvolinevr1racingoil.com/ Rebate Details: MUST DOWNLOAD AND USE OFFICIAL OFFER FORM b THIS DETAILS PAGE CANNOT BE SUBMITTED IN ORDER TO RECEIVE A REBATE. PLEASE READ THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS THOROUGHLY. 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Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From gasket.works at gte.net Tue May 10 10:27:56 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:27:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net><20110510040937.C59BF18766A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2132491213-1305044877-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-249211523-@bda712.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I just spoke to cris @ hmsa. He says acceptance letters letters will go out this week. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: John Nikas Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 21:15:46 To: Tony Drews Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup I will check with HMSA as soon as Cris returns my calls and will see that he sends out confirmations to all that have registered so far. On May 9, 2011 9:09 PM, "Tony Drews" wrote: > I've received nothing. They appear to not have cashed the check I > sent either. So, the whole thing is either lost in the mail and I'll > find out about that after 4 days of towing, or they're just being > quiet about the whole thing. Kinda frustrating. > > The buttonwillow event, on the other hand gave me almost instant > feedback that my registration went through. > > I kinda expected to see a few messages regarding this event as we're > getting pretty close. > > Tony Drews > > At 09:39 PM 5/9/2011, Jim Norlin wrote: >> Just thought I'd check again. Has anyone received a >> confirmation of entry to this event this year? >>_______________________________________________ >>fot at autox.team.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net From billb at bnj.com Tue May 10 11:41:27 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 10:41:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <4DC8A551.3070801@comcast.net> <20110510040937.C59BF18766A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I guess I better get rolling on registering, though I was thinking of holding off until after next week. I'm probably going to have knee surgery. I'd like to see how that's going before I commit to my summer schedule. As it stands I'm almost certainly going to miss the SOVERN spring sprints since I'm pencilled in for getting stabbed with arrows (arthroscopic) on Friday once the doc looks at the MRI I had yesterday. Getting old isn't for sissies. On May 9, 2011, at 9:15 PM, John Nikas wrote: > I will check with HMSA as soon as Cris returns my calls and will see that he > sends out confirmations to all that have registered so far. > On May 9, 2011 9:09 PM, "Tony Drews" wrote: >> I've received nothing. They appear to not have cashed the check I >> sent either. So, the whole thing is either lost in the mail and I'll >> find out about that after 4 days of towing, or they're just being >> quiet about the whole thing. Kinda frustrating. >> >> The buttonwillow event, on the other hand gave me almost instant >> feedback that my registration went through. >> >> I kinda expected to see a few messages regarding this event as we're >> getting pretty close. >> >> Tony Drews From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue May 10 12:37:32 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 11:37:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com> <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000601cc0f41$568d8d70$03a8a850$@rr.com> > I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was appropriate, IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay rugby players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the person you are referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot tall rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" with being that tall. -- Randall From jerrybarr at charter.net Tue May 10 15:44:26 2011 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:44:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <000601cc0f41$568d8d70$03a8a850$@rr.com> References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com> <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com> <000601cc0f41$568d8d70$03a8a850$@rr.com> Message-ID: ARE WE DONE NOW? On May 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Randall wrote: >> I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was appropriate, > > IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay rugby > players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the person you are > referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot tall > rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" with being > that tall. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From billdentin at aol.com Tue May 10 16:32:06 2011 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 18:32:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] I'm not done yet.... Message-ID: <8CDDD7939F7E3A8-11EC-15A06@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> Amici... Ask not, "Who is Gareth Thomas! Ask rather..."Who is John Galt?" Bill (Damdinger) From chasgee at aol.com Tue May 10 17:07:02 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 19:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] I'm not done yet.... In-Reply-To: <8CDDD7939F7E3A8-11EC-15A06@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDDD7939F7E3A8-11EC-15A06@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDDD7E1B661A23-2148-FCF4@webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com> I believe that would be Prometheus, without all of the suffering.... -----Original Message----- From: billdentin To: fot Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 3:55 pm Subject: [Fot] I'm not done yet.... Amici... Ask not, "Who is Gareth Thomas! Ask rather..."Who is John Galt?" Bill (Damdinger) ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From kaskas at cox.net Tue May 10 17:07:43 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 23:07:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista>, <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com>, , <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com>, <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com>, , <000601cc0f41$568d8d70$03a8a850$@rr.com>, Message-ID: I'm the only guy he malignes, so I cannot comment . (well, I CAN but I will not) > From: jerrybarr at charter.net > Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:44:26 -0500 > To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas > > ARE WE DONE NOW? > On May 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Randall wrote: > > >> I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was appropriate, > > > > IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay rugby > > players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the person you > are > > referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot tall > > rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" with being > > that tall. > > > > -- Randall > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 10 17:31:05 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 17:31:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] back to the point... who is Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <8CDDD7939F7E3A8-11EC-15A06@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20110510233833.216DC187651@autox.team.net> All the other stuff aside, I have read a little bit about Gareth Thomas but can't find any of the parts he supposedly produces. I did however find a blog site by Barry Scott who seems to have some uncomplimentary things to say about some unnamed person or persons. The blog is more of a rant than anything while at the same time praising G.T. for all the great things he has done for Triumph owners jim g http://crazyspitfire.blogspot.com/2008/11/latest-tuning-innovations-that-act ually.html -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of billdentin at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 4:32 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] I'm not done yet.... Amici... Ask not, "Who is Gareth Thomas! Ask rather..."Who is John Galt?" Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Tue May 10 17:41:50 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 19:41:50 EDT Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas Message-ID: <152f8.1a44741b.3afb273e@aol.com> In my opinion, it was done before it started. Sam Clark In a message dated 5/10/2011 6:28:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: I'm the only guy he malignes, so I cannot comment . (well, I CAN but I will not) > From: jerrybarr at charter.net > Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:44:26 -0500 > To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas > > ARE WE DONE NOW? > On May 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Randall wrote: > > >> I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was appropriate, > > > > IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay rugby > > players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the person you > are > > referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot tall > > rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" with being > > that tall. > > > > -- Randall > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue May 10 18:38:03 2011 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 17:38:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <152f8.1a44741b.3afb273e@aol.com> References: <152f8.1a44741b.3afb273e@aol.com> Message-ID: We still talking about Miata drivers? On May 10, 2011, at 4:41 PM, TRDOCTOR at aol.com wrote: > In my opinion, it was done before it started. > > Sam Clark > > > In a message dated 5/10/2011 6:28:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > kaskas at cox.net writes: > > I'm the only guy he malignes, so I cannot comment . (well, I CAN but I > will > not) > >> From: jerrybarr at charter.net >> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:44:26 -0500 >> To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas >> >> ARE WE DONE NOW? >> On May 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Randall wrote: >> >>>> I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was > appropriate, >>> >>> IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay > rugby >>> players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the person > you >> are >>> referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot > tall >>> rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" with > being >>> that tall. >>> >>> -- Randall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 10 18:42:05 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 17:42:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista>, <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com>, , <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com>, <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com>, , <000601cc0f41$568d8d70$03a8a850$@rr.com>, Message-ID: <250BE22F462A4764AA2CA0689414AF8A@Vista> I hate to burst your bubble, Kas, but he also had some rather harsh words about John Kipping among others. It appears that anybody whose name comes up as knowing anything about Triumphs is subject to his putdowns in an effort to establish himself as the ultimate Triumph Expert! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 4:08 PM To: jerrybarr at charter.net; tr3driver at ca.rr.com Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas I'm the only guy he malignes, so I cannot comment . (well, I CAN but I will not) From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 10 18:48:32 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 17:48:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] back to the point... who is Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: <20110510233833.216DC187651@autox.team.net> References: <8CDDD7939F7E3A8-11EC-15A06@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> <20110510233833.216DC187651@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2F9D9B4876C94EE7961FD8C809C53AE2@Vista> Maybe Barry Scott is a pseudonym that Gareth Thomas writes under! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Gray Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 4:31 PM To: billdentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] back to the point... who is Gareth Thomas All the other stuff aside, I have read a little bit about Gareth Thomas but can't find any of the parts he supposedly produces. I did however find a blog site by Barry Scott who seems to have some uncomplimentary things to say about some unnamed person or persons. The blog is more of a rant than anything while at the same time praising G.T. for all the great things he has done for Triumph owners jim g http://crazyspitfire.blogspot.com/2008/11/latest-tuning-innovations-that-act ually.html -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of billdentin at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 4:32 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] I'm not done yet.... Amici... Ask not, "Who is Gareth Thomas! Ask rather..."Who is John Galt?" Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tr4.tony at virgin.net Wed May 11 02:22:03 2011 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 09:22:03 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: References: <1B5686F4C7A14A7C9E864AA3A2C37079@Vista> <82FF9531-BA8E-4583-B2C1-CFF5D7EBA72D@bnj.com> <544C82C0-E6AD-414A-AB8D-21363E5AC104@me.com> <96AE1C6F-981A-47A6-B8B2-B6D84C34FB2A@bnj.com> <000601cc0f41$568d8d70$03a8a850$@rr.com> Message-ID: <76A32F02-8FF5-4E64-A9E7-F27F27471359@virgin.net> Never heard of him ..... Says it all Tony Sent from My iPhone On 11 May 2011, at 00:07, Kas Kastner wrote: > I'm the only guy he malignes, so I cannot comment . (well, I CAN but I will > not) > >> From: jerrybarr at charter.net >> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:44:26 -0500 >> To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas >> >> ARE WE DONE NOW? >> On May 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Randall wrote: >> >>>> I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was appropriate, >>> >>> IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay rugby >>> players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the person you >> are >>> referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot tall >>> rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" with being >>> that tall. >>> >>> -- Randall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From walt at hot-tr6.com Wed May 11 08:53:19 2011 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 08:53:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 red 13 blade engine fans from Moss Motors - Problems Message-ID: <001a01cc0feb$2c713690$8553a3b0$@hot-tr6.com> Moss Motors is making a replacement 13 blade engine fan for TR6s. Part number 835-270. I have gone through two of these on my vintage TR6 racecar. They last anywhere from two to 4 days before they grenade taking out water hoses and trying to exit through the hood of my car. I am not overtorquing at install. My previous original equipment fans have lasted for years. Is anyone else having problems with these new fans from Moss? Thanks Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TR4 Tony Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:22 AM To: Kas Kastner Cc: ; fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas Never heard of him ..... Says it all Tony Sent from My iPhone On 11 May 2011, at 00:07, Kas Kastner wrote: > I'm the only guy he malignes, so I cannot comment . (well, I CAN but I > will > not) > >> From: jerrybarr at charter.net >> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:44:26 -0500 >> To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas >> >> ARE WE DONE NOW? >> On May 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Randall wrote: >> >>>> I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was >>>> appropriate, >>> >>> IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay >>> rugby players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the >>> person you >> are >>> referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot >>> tall rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" >>> with being that tall. >>> >>> -- Randall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed May 11 14:59:14 2011 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 16:59:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam Message-ID: Hello to all, I am looking for a GT-6 cam for racing, does anyone have any input on where to get one or who carries them,,thanks rob deanes TR Racer From igofaster at att.net Wed May 11 15:08:18 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 14:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas In-Reply-To: References: <152f8.1a44741b.3afb273e@aol.com> Message-ID: <923242.33540.qm@web180815.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> only gay Miata drivers.... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Steven Belfer To: "TRDOCTOR at aol.com" Cc: "tr3driver at ca.rr.com" ; "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 7:38:03 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas We still talking about Miata drivers? From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed May 11 15:52:05 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 14:52:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam References: Message-ID: Try http://www.deltacam.com/index.php Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Deanes" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 1:59 PM Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam > Hello to all, I am looking for a GT-6 cam for racing, does anyone have any > input on where to get one or who carries them,,thanks > > > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed May 11 16:20:03 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 17:20:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Small world, Sam Halkias,Little 500 Message-ID: - just a bit of small town Triumph irony that made me feel big in racing - My racing career officially started and continues every April with an event that begins my yearly racing calender... and started me on a path of road racing go karts. Every April, a sleepy little town in central Indiana erupts with the sound of racing engines for a weekend of awesomeness. St.Joseph's College in Rensselaer Indiana hosts a "little 500" endurance race for both the current student body and an Alumni race. I have been a big supporter and sponsor of the race fielding "Friendly Ghost Racing" student Karts and racing myself in the Alumni race. I have not missed one in 21 years. It is a big event for my family and friends. From my own perspective, the race is quite like the real Indy 500. Hard to win, and a major racing accomplishment ultimate goal for any racer. I suppose similar to the, now famous Kastner Cup in our Triumph world. Anyway, I had my GT6 down there with me this year. I was going to race the "Little 500" on Saturday and my Triumph on Sunday, three hours away at Blackhawk Farms. A knowingly ambitious plan that turned out to be a weekend without Triumph racing due to massive rain on Saturday. So my big "Little 500" race was the only event for me. And that was fine anyway, because, as it turns out, I was so sore and tired from racing my go-kart, a parlay would have been a pipe dream. With my race car on the trailer, word spreads fast in a small town... soon a few of the town's racing legends were down at the local machine shop to check out my ride. Racing is pretty big in Rensselaer. And at the top of the heap is a fellow named Wedge Rafferty, an old time SCCA'er with legendary endurance racing and sports car history. I have known Wedge for over 20 years, he was a sponsor for my Go Kart teams and has great racing "know how." I bought my first trailer from him 20 years ago. In the coarse of bench racing chatter and B.S. with Wedge, someone who really understands the thrill of racing, I was talking about how great this past year has been for me racing the GT6, the coolness of FOT,meeting Kas Kastner, Racing the Kastner Cup. etc. When I mentioned that I was racing against these great Triumph guys....he instantly dropped the name Sam Halkias and continued to divulge that Sam worked on his pit crew fresh out of school when, Mr. EP Champ, was just a wee lad with a minimal interest in racing. I won major points with that group when I told Wedge that not only did I see Sam win the SCCA National Championship from Canada Corner at Elkhart Lake, I also raced against him at Heartland Park and enjoyed a few conversations with him at our last Kastner Cup. So yeah, Team Turtle, Wedge Rafferty...old small town college road racing hero's of mine, apparently helped Sam Halkias get some sort of introduction to racing? Wedge was delighted to hear that all of us somehow knew each other and the friendship and history made a neat conection of three generations of racing. >From Wedge Rafferty, to Sam Halkias, to me.... so, Small world eh Sam? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 11 16:24:21 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 18:24:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> Tilden Cams larry young appears to have the best approach to analyzing cams these days. He has done some remarkable things for our tractor engines. He is on the list..... -----Original Message----- From: Robert Deanes To: FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 3:59 pm Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam Hello to all, I am looking for a GT-6 cam for racing, does anyone have any input on where to get one or who carries them,,thanks rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 11 17:06:13 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 19:06:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Small world, Sam Halkias,Little 500 now LAGUNA SECA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDDE47287B4D9E-1084-1F483@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com> Sam Halkias is going to be with us at Laguna Seca in a few weeks. Something good always happens at the Kastner Cups. This will be no exception. Hardy Prentice will have his SCCA CHAMP car on display, as well. BTW, we have another great Kastner Cup poster available. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 5:20 pm Subject: [Fot] Small world, Sam Halkias,Little 500 - just a bit of small town Triumph irony that made me feel big in racing - My racing career officially started and continues every April with an event that begins my yearly racing calender... and started me on a path of road racing go karts. Every April, a sleepy little town in central Indiana erupts with the sound of racing engines for a weekend of awesomeness. St.Joseph's College in Rensselaer Indiana hosts a "little 500" endurance race for both the current student body and an Alumni race. I have been a big supporter and sponsor of the race fielding "Friendly Ghost Racing" student Karts and racing myself in the Alumni race. I have not missed one in 21 years. It is a big event for my family and friends. From my own perspective, the race is quite like the real Indy 500. Hard to win, and a major racing accomplishment ultimate goal for any racer. I suppose similar to the, now famous Kastner Cup in our Triumph world. Anyway, I had my GT6 down there with me this year. I was going to race the "Little 500" on Saturday and my Triumph on Sunday, three hours away at Blackhawk Farms. A knowingly ambitious plan that turned out to be a weekend without Triumph racing due to massive rain on Saturday. So my big "Little 500" race was the only event for me. And that was fine anyway, because, as it turns out, I was so sore and tired from racing my go-kart, a parlay would have been a pipe dream. With my race car on the trailer, word spreads fast in a small town... soon a few of the town's racing legends were down at the local machine shop to check out my ride. Racing is pretty big in Rensselaer. And at the top of the heap is a fellow named Wedge Rafferty, an old time SCCA'er with legendary endurance racing and sports car history. I have known Wedge for over 20 years, he was a sponsor for my Go Kart teams and has great racing "know how." I bought my first trailer from him 20 years ago. In the coarse of bench racing chatter and B.S. with Wedge, someone who really understands the thrill of racing, I was talking about how great this past year has been for me racing the GT6, the coolness of FOT,meeting Kas Kastner, Racing the Kastner Cup. etc. When I mentioned that I was racing against these great Triumph guys....he instantly dropped the name Sam Halkias and continued to divulge that Sam worked on his pit crew fresh out of school when, Mr. EP Champ, was just a wee lad with a minimal interest in racing. I won major points with that group when I told Wedge that not only did I see Sam win the SCCA National Championship from Canada Corner at Elkhart Lake, I also raced against him at Heartland Park and enjoyed a few conversations with him at our last Kastner Cup. So yeah, Team Turtle, Wedge Rafferty...old small town college road racing hero's of mine, apparently helped Sam Halkias get some sort of introduction to racing? Wedge was delighted to hear that all of us somehow knew each other and the friendship and history made a neat conection of three generations of racing. >From Wedge Rafferty, to Sam Halkias, to me.... so, Small world eh Sam? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed May 11 19:38:06 2011 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 21:38:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DCB39FE.5060507@cfl.rr.com> Ric Cline of GT6 fame will make you the best cam possible. He has raced and built Spits and GT6's from the beginning of time and continues to crank out services from his machine shop.. On 5/11/2011 4:59 PM, Robert Deanes wrote: > Hello to all, I am looking for a GT-6 cam for racing, does anyone have any > input on where to get one or who carries them,,thanks > > > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed May 11 20:22:17 2011 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 red 13 blade engine fans from Moss Motors - Problems In-Reply-To: <001a01cc0feb$2c713690$8553a3b0$@hot-tr6.com> Message-ID: <691694.91094.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Walt: Have you contacted Kelvin at Moss to let him know? Moss usually responds to feedback, both positive and negative, very well. They have always put a defective product on hold until the probelm is solved. -Ed- --- On Wed, 5/11/11, Walter Hollowell wrote: From: Walter Hollowell Subject: [Fot] TR6 red 13 blade engine fans from Moss Motors - Problems To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 9:53 AM Moss Motors is making a replacement 13 blade engine fan for TR6s. Part number 835-270. I have gone through two of these on my vintage TR6 racecar. They last anywhere from two to 4 days before they grenade taking out water hoses and trying to exit through the hood of my car. I am not overtorquing at install. My previous original equipment fans have lasted for years. Is anyone else having problems with these new fans from Moss? Thanks Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TR4 Tony Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:22 AM To: Kas Kastner Cc: ; fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas Never heard of him ..... Says it all Tony Sent from My iPhone On 11 May 2011, at 00:07, Kas Kastner wrote: > I'm the only guy he malignes, so I cannot comment . (well, I CAN but I > will > not) > >> From: jerrybarr at charter.net >> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:44:26 -0500 >> To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Gareth Thomas >> >> ARE WE DONE NOW? >> On May 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Randall wrote: >> >>>> I'm still puzzled, though, as to why the gay reference was >>>> appropriate, >>> >>> IMO, it is a defining characteristic. There aren't many openly gay >>> rugby players, so mentioning that characteristic helps identify the >>> person you >> are >>> referring to. If he were unusually tall, one might say "that 7 foot >>> tall rugby player" without implying that there was anything "wrong" >>> with being that tall. >>> >>> -- Randall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Thu May 12 01:49:27 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:49:27 +1000 Subject: [Fot] gareth thomas Message-ID: Gareth was a well known UK triumph personality in the 80's and wrote a triumph tuning book , based mostly on his spitfire tuning/race experiences. i met him in the UK many years ago. I have been in touch with him recently, and have his email if anyone needs it. I believe his views were always controversial , but he seemed to be someone who thought "outside the box". we all know that works sometimes, but often not. He did a lot of work on the benefits of various exhaust designs, and i have a 6 cyl set based on his results, which i have had a lot of success with, over many years. Whilst his book referred to a lot of flow testing, no substantial data seems to have been ever published to support the claims. he kindly sent me some data recently, in response to a very specific question about flow values for a 2500 head. i have also seen a lot of his negative comments about other peoples tuning products. My + 30 years of TR experiences tell me the bullshit stops when the flag drops. The people who consistently are the front, usually have the best products under the hood. if i want advice, i head in that direction. Terry O'Beirne, Australia From cartravel at pobox.com Thu May 12 09:08:13 2011 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 10:08:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> Joe, Thanks for the plug, but I haven't done a six cylinder cam. I am still planning to do a street cam to "undetune" my TR250. I would like to profile some of the available cams, especially the TR5 cam. Does anyone have one to loan? Larry On 5/11/2011 5:24 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > Tilden Cams larry young appears to have the best approach to analyzing cams > these days. > > He has done some remarkable things for our tractor engines. > > He is on the list..... From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu May 12 10:04:20 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 09:04:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> Message-ID: <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. http://www.deltacam.com/ Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam > Joe, > Thanks for the plug, but I haven't done a six cylinder cam. I am still > planning to do a street cam to "undetune" my TR250. I would like to > profile some of the available cams, especially the TR5 cam. Does anyone > have one to loan? > Larry > > On 5/11/2011 5:24 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >> Tilden Cams larry young appears to have the best approach to >> analyzing cams >> these days. >> >> He has done some remarkable things for our tractor engines. >> >> He is on the list..... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From cartravel at pobox.com Thu May 12 13:04:59 2011 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 14:04:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> Message-ID: <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> I could not find specs for their cams at that website. I have started a table of 6 cylinder cam specs, similar to the one for TR3/4 at my website. The problem is that most companies don't list complete specs. Larry Young www.TildenTechnologies.com On 5/12/2011 11:04 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: > Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. > http://www.deltacam.com/ > Charly Mitchel From jason at multivintage.com Thu May 12 14:52:21 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 15:52:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> Message-ID: Isky Cams has some specs for 6 cyl Triumph cams on the website in their online catalog. http://www.iskycams.com/onlinecatalog.html I have several Isky Cams that came with my car and a Crane cam as well. Also, The extremely fast Zippy Racing GT6 uses a very old and well maintained Isky Cam. They call Mr. Iskenderian the CAMFATHER for a reason. For what its worth, that's two Championship winning GT6's, with long, long race histories in SCCA and Midwestern Council... after hundreds of GT6 race outings running up front, The Isky cams have remained in both engines rebuild after rebuild. Be advised... I am not an experienced engine builder, but have been rather fanatical when it comes to studying what has been successful in GT6 race cars. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Larry Young wrote: > I could not find specs for their cams at that website. I have started a > table of 6 cylinder cam specs, similar to the one for TR3/4 at my website. > The problem is that most companies don't list complete specs. > Larry Young > www.TildenTechnologies.com > > > On 5/12/2011 11:04 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: > >> Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. >> http://www.deltacam.com/ >> Charly Mitchel >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu May 12 15:28:13 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 14:28:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> Message-ID: <38102822E89344B983B2E0ECF8DE2E43@Charly> I have their cam specs book and can send it to you if you'd like. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "Charly Mitchel" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam >I could not find specs for their cams at that website. I have started a > table of 6 cylinder cam specs, similar to the one for TR3/4 at my > website. The problem is that most companies don't list complete specs. > Larry Young > www.TildenTechnologies.com > > On 5/12/2011 11:04 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: >> Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. >> http://www.deltacam.com/ >> Charly Mitchel From chasgee at aol.com Thu May 12 15:34:45 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com><4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly><4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> Message-ID: <8CDDF038BC344C5-1138-17B99@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> All, Based on the numbers in the Isky catalog, it looks like they are milder that the original Kastner S-9. The S-9 is quite a cam and produces really good power. I would not overlook it as an option. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: Larry Young Cc: fot Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 2:22 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam Isky Cams has some specs for 6 cyl Triumph cams on the website in their nline catalog. http://www.iskycams.com/onlinecatalog.html have several Isky Cams that came with my car and a Crane cam as ell. Also, The extremely fast Zippy Racing GT6 uses a very old and well aintained Isky Cam. They call Mr. Iskenderian the CAMFATHER for a reason. or what its worth, that's two Championship winning GT6's, with long, ong race histories in SCCA and Midwestern Council... after hundreds of GT6 ace outings running up front, The Isky cams have remained in both engines ebuild after rebuild. e advised... I am not an experienced engine builder, but have been rather anatical when it comes to studying what has been successful in GT6 race ars. Jason Ostrowski riendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 n Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Larry Young wrote: > I could not find specs for their cams at that website. I have started a table of 6 cylinder cam specs, similar to the one for TR3/4 at my website. The problem is that most companies don't list complete specs. Larry Young www.TildenTechnologies.com On 5/12/2011 11:04 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: > Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. > http://www.deltacam.com/ > Charly Mitchel > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From jason at multivintage.com Thu May 12 18:01:31 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 19:01:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: <8CDDF038BC344C5-1138-17B99@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> <8CDDF038BC344C5-1138-17B99@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Yes, And the grind # is not the same as any of the ones I have either, I would imagine Isky will make whatever you might desire, as I know one of my old boxes reads "Custom Grind". Obviously, the Kastner cams have always been THE cams to model after... tweaked a bit I suppose for personal style and financial means. (more radical = more rebuilds.) Forgive me Kas and Chas's GT6. It kills me that I haven't gotten your new book yet... Excuses, excuses... every extra dime I make GONE into my basic racing budget. The cost of racing this thing has not left over much cash to buy the book that will make me go faster and spend more money! So Chuck you have an S-9 in the new GT6, or ? This seems like a perfect moment please for one of Ya'll to enlighten the less knowledgeable about what exactly are the key numbers regarding duration and lift,, opening and closing, and all that... What will ultimately determine a cam shifting from mild to say not so mild? A "cliff notes" version, using these 2 Cams as an example (Kas S-9 and this Isky Z-66+10)? Cheers. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 4:34 PM, wrote: > > All, > > Based on the numbers in the Isky catalog, it looks like they are milder > that the original Kastner S-9. The S-9 is quite a cam and produces really > good power. I would not overlook it as an option. > > Chuck > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Ostrowski > To: Larry Young > Cc: fot > Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 2:22 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam > > Isky Cams has some specs for 6 cyl Triumph cams on the website in their > online catalog. http://www.iskycams.com/onlinecatalog.html > I have several Isky Cams that came with my car and a Crane cam as > well. Also, The extremely fast Zippy Racing GT6 uses a very old and well > maintained Isky Cam. They call Mr. Iskenderian the CAMFATHER for a reason. > For what its worth, that's two Championship winning GT6's, with long, > long race histories in SCCA and Midwestern Council... after hundreds of GT6 > race outings running up front, The Isky cams have remained in both engines > rebuild after rebuild. > Be advised... I am not an experienced engine builder, but have been rather > fanatical when it comes to studying what has been successful in GT6 race > cars. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Larry Young > wrote: > > > I could not find specs for their cams at that website. I have started a > > table of 6 cylinder cam specs, similar to the one for TR3/4 at my website. > > The problem is that most companies don't list complete specs. > > Larry Young > > www.TildenTechnologies.com > > > > > > On 5/12/2011 11:04 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: > > > >> Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. > >> http://www.deltacam.com/ > > >> Charly Mitchel > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From John.Reed at wilson.com Fri May 13 06:08:43 2011 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 07:08:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Correction on the Zippy Racing GT6+ cam. It is a Chris Beebe spec grind. Not sure where he had it ground. I can ask. Chris Beebe is a bit of a guru of British cars here in the Midwest. John Reed #69 Zippy Racing GT6+ On 5/12/11 3:52 PM, "jason ostrowski" wrote: Isky Cams has some specs for 6 cyl Triumph cams on the website in their online catalog. http://www.iskycams.com/onlinecatalog.html I have several Isky Cams that came with my car and a Crane cam as well. Also, The extremely fast Zippy Racing GT6 uses a very old and well maintained Isky Cam. They call Mr. Iskenderian the CAMFATHER for a reason. For what its worth, that's two Championship winning GT6's, with long, long race histories in SCCA and Midwestern Council... after hundreds of GT6 race outings running up front, The Isky cams have remained in both engines rebuild after rebuild. Be advised... I am not an experienced engine builder, but have been rather fanatical when it comes to studying what has been successful in GT6 race cars. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Larry Young wrote: > I could not find specs for their cams at that website. I have started a > table of 6 cylinder cam specs, similar to the one for TR3/4 at my website. > The problem is that most companies don't list complete specs. > Larry Young > www.TildenTechnologies.com > > > On 5/12/2011 11:04 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: > >> Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. >> http://www.deltacam.com/ >> Charly Mitchel >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.reed at wilson.com John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services [cid:3388115323_48686135] Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W. Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago IL 60631: USA T: 1 773.714.6895 F: 1 773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com http://www.wilson.com http://www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri May 13 07:03:37 2011 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 09:03:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Gt-6 cams Message-ID: Thanks to everyone on the cam response, sounds like we drew a good issue to talk about,I will take your ( the group) advice and run with it. It is great to get good feed back from you, as I do have a "Larry Young" and a "Erson" for my TR-4 but you don't find the GT-6s talked about much or advertised and this motor turns higher than a "six". -- rob deanes TR Racer From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 13 10:45:01 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 09:45:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gt-6 cams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As a Post Script to this thread, I will have to add that the subject of the previous long winded thread (Gareth Thomas) highly recommends the cam made for the TR6PI, for what it's worth. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Deanes Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 6:04 AM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Gt-6 cams Thanks to everyone on the cam response, sounds like we drew a good issue to talk about,I will take your ( the group) advice and run with it. It is great to get good feed back from you, as I do have a "Larry Young" and a "Erson" for my TR-4 but you don't find the GT-6s talked about much or advertised and this motor turns higher than a "six". -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From cartravel at pobox.com Fri May 13 12:52:06 2011 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 13:52:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> <8CDDF038BC344C5-1138-17B99@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DCD7DD6.6080706@pobox.com> Of course, the key numbers are what the dyno gives, but there are general trends for how the numbers affect performance. I attempt to explain some of this at my website. It is definitely not the "Cliff Notes" version though. Larry On 5/12/2011 7:01 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > This seems like a perfect moment please for one of > Ya'll to enlighten the less knowledgeable about what exactly are the > key numbers regarding duration and lift,, opening and closing, and all > that... What will ultimately determine a cam shifting from mild to say > not so mild? A "cliff notes" version, using these 2 Cams as an > example (Kas S-9 and this Isky Z-66+10)? > Cheers. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing From jason at multivintage.com Fri May 13 13:02:42 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 14:02:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: <4DCD7DD6.6080706@pobox.com> References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> <8CDDF038BC344C5-1138-17B99@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> <4DCD7DD6.6080706@pobox.com> Message-ID: Nice website, looks like I won't get much work done today...Got lots of Cam studying to do at http://www.tildentechnologies.com/ Thanks Larry. Jason FGR. On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Larry Young wrote: > Of course, the key numbers are what the dyno gives, but there are general > trends for how the numbers affect performance. I attempt to explain some of > this at my website. It is definitely not the "Cliff Notes" version though. > Larry From igofaster at att.net Fri May 13 19:59:35 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 18:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: GT6 cam, and my autopsy report In-Reply-To: References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> <4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com> <8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly> <4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com> <8CDDF038BC344C5-1138-17B99@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <763273.47588.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Fri, May 13, 2011 2:12:30 PM Subject: GT6 cam, and my autopsy report So... Kas.... where can we get your cam and lifters? My machine shop (brother-in-law) started sending me some photos of my engine. 5 of the 6 pistons had the clip holding in wrist pins came out. 5 of the 6 piston walls have a nice deep groove in the cylinder walls. The block will have to be re-sleeved to start. Damn shame. Still, it could have been worse, nothing BROKE... So, with 146 drivers registered with CVAR next weekend and Eagles Canyon, I'll tool up in our street TR6 and hold down the 6 space slot our Triumph FoT guys have in the garage area. Steve Coleman is sponsoring a British Small Bore special event on Saturday. Apparently the grandson of THE Healey family is one of our special guests from England. So.. I'm at square one with the GT6 engine. I was running high zinc oil and the cam was already showing wear, my Ric Cline cam was paired with a set of Iski springs and may have been too strong of a spring rate. So now I'm going to find a new cam and springs from one source... Sources?? I'm also going to be shopping for new pistons.. if forged aren't too expensive I may go that route.. Sources??? If we re sleeve I can go with stock size pistons, because the way this thing is gouged I doubt 060 over is available.... Bobby Whitehead .... nice rolling chassis setting in the garage right now.... ________________________________ From ac at camoletti.ch Sat May 14 02:31:50 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 10:31:50 +0200 Subject: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters Message-ID: <000601cc1211$62c2cf60$28486e20$@camoletti.ch> Amici, The SU Carburetter Co in the UK (original manufacturer of our SU carbs) just released so called unsinkable floats, see http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ProductCategory.aspx?ParentId=277 It may be interesting. Enjoy the we and for the ones on the track, have great races! Alex Camoletti Greetings from The SU Carburetter Company, We are pleased to introduce to you a new range of 'unsinkable' floats made by StayUpR. The floats have been developed alongside the successful release of a similar design by The AMAL Carburetter Company for their motorcycle Carburetters. They are constructed from a military spec material designed for use in the warzone where a fail safe operation of floating devices is critical. The material, which is foam filled, will continue to float even when punctured and is resistant to ethanol based fuels. All floats have been designed by SU to match the original specifications of size and weight for the standard items - this ensures easy replacement and float level settings. The first to be released are the large T4 and medium T2 size floats for most H, HV and HD type Carburetters with the smaller T1 size coming soon. HS type Carburetter versions are also available now. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat May 14 02:35:13 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 10:35:13 +0200 Subject: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters In-Reply-To: <000601cc1211$62c2cf60$28486e20$@camoletti.ch> References: <000601cc1211$62c2cf60$28486e20$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <001101cc1211$dadfdd30$909f9790$@com> Hmmm.....they told something similar about the Titanic ;-) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Alexandre Camoletti Gesendet: Samstag, 14. Mai 2011 10:32 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters Amici, The SU Carburetter Co in the UK (original manufacturer of our SU carbs) just released so called unsinkable floats, see http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ProductCategory.aspx?ParentId=277 It may be interesting. Enjoy the we and for the ones on the track, have great races! Alex Camoletti Greetings from The SU Carburetter Company, We are pleased to introduce to you a new range of 'unsinkable' floats made by StayUpR. The floats have been developed alongside the successful release of a similar design by The AMAL Carburetter Company for their motorcycle Carburetters. They are constructed from a military spec material designed for use in the warzone where a fail safe operation of floating devices is critical. The material, which is foam filled, will continue to float even when punctured and is resistant to ethanol based fuels. All floats have been designed by SU to match the original specifications of size and weight for the standard items - this ensures easy replacement and float level settings. The first to be released are the large T4 and medium T2 size floats for most H, HV and HD type Carburetters with the smaller T1 size coming soon. HS type Carburetter versions are also available now. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From ac at camoletti.ch Sat May 14 03:12:44 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 11:12:44 +0200 Subject: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters In-Reply-To: <001101cc1211$dadfdd30$909f9790$@com> References: <000601cc1211$62c2cf60$28486e20$@camoletti.ch> <001101cc1211$dadfdd30$909f9790$@com> Message-ID: <000101cc1217$18f97090$4aec51b0$@camoletti.ch> At least we all remember the TITANIC! -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de MadMarx Envoyi : samedi 14 mai 2011 10:35 @ : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters Hmmm.....they told something similar about the Titanic ;-) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Alexandre Camoletti Gesendet: Samstag, 14. Mai 2011 10:32 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters Amici, The SU Carburetter Co in the UK (original manufacturer of our SU carbs) just released so called unsinkable floats, see http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ProductCategory.aspx?ParentId=277 It may be interesting. Enjoy the we and for the ones on the track, have great races! Alex Camoletti Greetings from The SU Carburetter Company, We are pleased to introduce to you a new range of 'unsinkable' floats made by StayUpR. The floats have been developed alongside the successful release of a similar design by The AMAL Carburetter Company for their motorcycle Carburetters. They are constructed from a military spec material designed for use in the warzone where a fail safe operation of floating devices is critical. The material, which is foam filled, will continue to float even when punctured and is resistant to ethanol based fuels. All floats have been designed by SU to match the original specifications of size and weight for the standard items - this ensures easy replacement and float level settings. The first to be released are the large T4 and medium T2 size floats for most H, HV and HD type Carburetters with the smaller T1 size coming soon. HS type Carburetter versions are also available now. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat May 14 03:31:07 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 19:31:07 +1000 Subject: [Fot] steering wheel boss wanted Message-ID: can anyone help me with a used factory or aftermarket steering wheel boss for a late TR6 or Spitfire 1500. I need the type that unbolts from the wheel. I dont really need the wheel. if you have an old aftermarket one, I'm chasing one that has 6 bolts on 3" PCD (common, Momo, etc). its for a racer, so horn facility not needed. any help appreciated. thanks, Terry O 'Beirne From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat May 14 08:35:56 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 09:35:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters In-Reply-To: <000601cc1211$62c2cf60$28486e20$@camoletti.ch> References: <000601cc1211$62c2cf60$28486e20$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <000001cc1244$3d1bcd10$b7536730$@com> Joe Curto here in the States has similar type of floats for the H6 carbs for $22.50 each. I've got a pair that cost about $49 including the shipping. I just looked on the Joe Curto Inc. web site and they are not shown but I had seen a "news release" in the March issue of "Classic Motorsports" magazine that they were available. I will report after we have some history of them in the car. I could not find on the SU web site any description of the T2 or T4 kits as to what carbs they were for and what was all included. Any more information on that? Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alexandre Camoletti Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:32 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters Amici, The SU Carburetter Co in the UK (original manufacturer of our SU carbs) just released so called unsinkable floats, see http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ProductCategory.aspx?ParentId=277 It may be interesting. Enjoy the we and for the ones on the track, have great races! Alex Camoletti Greetings from The SU Carburetter Company, We are pleased to introduce to you a new range of 'unsinkable' floats made by StayUpR. The floats have been developed alongside the successful release of a similar design by The AMAL Carburetter Company for their motorcycle Carburetters. They are constructed from a military spec material designed for use in the warzone where a fail safe operation of floating devices is critical. The material, which is foam filled, will continue to float even when punctured and is resistant to ethanol based fuels. All floats have been designed by SU to match the original specifications of size and weight for the standard items - this ensures easy replacement and float level settings. The first to be released are the large T4 and medium T2 size floats for most H, HV and HD type Carburetters with the smaller T1 size coming soon. HS type Carburetter versions are also available now. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sat May 14 11:48:44 2011 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 17:48:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood In-Reply-To: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1071462442.211921.1305395324470.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> prodbodies.com ----- Original Message ----- From: chasgee at aol.com To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, 9 May, 2011 11:52:05 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood Hello All, Years ago I bought a really lightweight fiberglass hood for my 1500 Spitifre from a guy in Kansas. B Thanks to the "redesign" I did at Portland, I need to replace the one I have. B Unfortunaltey, I can't find any of my old information regarding the supplier. B Does anyone know this guy or have a good source for 1500 fiberglass hoods? Thanks, Chuck Gee _______________________________________________ From ac at camoletti.ch Sat May 14 12:28:34 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 20:28:34 +0200 Subject: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters In-Reply-To: <000001cc1244$3d1bcd10$b7536730$@com> References: <000601cc1211$62c2cf60$28486e20$@camoletti.ch> <000001cc1244$3d1bcd10$b7536730$@com> Message-ID: <000801cc1264$bf844cd0$3e8ce670$@camoletti.ch> Hi Tim ! The T4 is for the H6 and the T2 is for the H4. UK logic: 4=6, 2=4 You can use a T2 in the H6 (I intend to do that) which gives you a larger fuel quantity in the chamber, given the smaller OD of the T2, hence fuel delivery to the carb is more constant under surge. A little trick from the UK Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : Tim Murphy [mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com] Envoyi : samedi 14 mai 2011 16:36 @ : 'Alexandre Camoletti'; fot at autox.team.net Objet : RE: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters Joe Curto here in the States has similar type of floats for the H6 carbs for $22.50 each. I've got a pair that cost about $49 including the shipping. I just looked on the Joe Curto Inc. web site and they are not shown but I had seen a "news release" in the March issue of "Classic Motorsports" magazine that they were available. I will report after we have some history of them in the car. I could not find on the SU web site any description of the T2 or T4 kits as to what carbs they were for and what was all included. Any more information on that? Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alexandre Camoletti Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:32 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] StayUpR Floats for SU Carburetters Amici, The SU Carburetter Co in the UK (original manufacturer of our SU carbs) just released so called unsinkable floats, see http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ProductCategory.aspx?ParentId=277 It may be interesting. Enjoy the we and for the ones on the track, have great races! Alex Camoletti Greetings from The SU Carburetter Company, We are pleased to introduce to you a new range of 'unsinkable' floats made by StayUpR. The floats have been developed alongside the successful release of a similar design by The AMAL Carburetter Company for their motorcycle Carburetters. They are constructed from a military spec material designed for use in the warzone where a fail safe operation of floating devices is critical. The material, which is foam filled, will continue to float even when punctured and is resistant to ethanol based fuels. All floats have been designed by SU to match the original specifications of size and weight for the standard items - this ensures easy replacement and float level settings. The first to be released are the large T4 and medium T2 size floats for most H, HV and HD type Carburetters with the smaller T1 size coming soon. HS type Carburetter versions are also available now. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat May 14 20:19:51 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 22:19:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1-1/4 S.U. linkage on a Spity Message-ID: A few months ago when I pulled the carbs off my Spitfire engine the linkage looked pretty straight forward. Now when I am assembling, things are a little foggy. Anybody able to email me a picture of the linkage set up between the two carbs so I can make sure I have it correct before I finish buttoning things up? Thanks, Marty From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sat May 14 21:14:31 2011 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 03:14:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] nat gas In-Reply-To: <1392409525.409282.1305429196774.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1968973462.409296.1305429271508.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Check out www.gonatgas.com B I am almost a fan of this fuel but I am not sure who to believe when it comes to the hydraulicB fracking necessary to release the gas from the shale andB howB dangerous it may be B to the water table and private wells closet to the drill site.B B B rob From chasgee at aol.com Fri May 13 09:08:50 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 11:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam In-Reply-To: References: <8CDDE414F3D5DBB-12FC-19A13@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com><4DCBF7DD.4060001@pobox.com><8D0024B4DF8240DE8DC2CC98EC6AE562@Charly><4DCC2F5B.2020405@pobox.com><8CDDF038BC344C5-1138-17B99@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDDF96CD05B23A-1048-2C178@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> The key numbers aren't really what you find in the cam data, but what you generate on the dyno. The cam data can be used as a guideline to compare performance, but there are other variables that contribute to horsepower (obviously). I want the highest lift cam that will fit, with the appropriate duration. The S-9 cam has higher lift than most I've seen. Jerry Barker had done a lot of work on the dyno with various cam profiles including the standard Isky cams and many of his own profiles ground at Isky. The S-9 grind outperformed all of them. I had the same experience in my Spitfire and have translated that info to my GT6. We got some pretty good horsepower numbers (you'll have to get the book for more details :)). I'm no expert on this, but Jerry certainly is. It will be interesting to see what Larry can come up with once he starts playing with the 6 cylinder cams. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: chasgee Cc: cartravel ; fot Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam Yes, And the grind # is not the same as any of the ones I have either, I would imagine Isky will make whatever you might desire, as I know one of my old boxes reads "Custom Grind". Obviously, the Kastner cams have always been THE cams to model after... tweaked a bit I suppose for personal style and financial means. (more radical = more rebuilds.) Forgive me Kas and Chas's GT6. It kills me that I haven't gotten your new book yet... Excuses, excuses... every extra dime I make GONE into my basic racing budget. The cost of racing this thing has not left over much cash to buy the book that will make me go faster and spend more money! So Chuck you have an S-9 in the new GT6, or ? This seems like a perfect moment please for one of Ya'll to enlighten the less knowledgeable about what exactly are the key numbers regarding duration and lift,, opening and closing, and all that... What will ultimately determine a cam shifting from mild to say not so mild? A "cliff notes" version, using these 2 Cams as an example (Kas S-9 and this Isky Z-66+10)? Cheers. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 4:34 PM, wrote: All, Based on the numbers in the Isky catalog, it looks like they are milder that the original Kastner S-9. The S-9 is quite a cam and produces really good power. I would not overlook it as an option. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: Larry Young Cc: fot Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 2:22 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] GT-6 Racing Cam Isky Cams has some specs for 6 cyl Triumph cams on the website in their nline catalog. http://www.iskycams.com/onlinecatalog.html have several Isky Cams that came with my car and a Crane cam as ell. Also, The extremely fast Zippy Racing GT6 uses a very old and well aintained Isky Cam. They call Mr. Iskenderian the CAMFATHER for a reason. or what its worth, that's two Championship winning GT6's, with long, ong race histories in SCCA and Midwestern Council... after hundreds of GT6 ace outings running up front, The Isky cams have remained in both engines ebuild after rebuild. e advised... I am not an experienced engine builder, but have been rather anatical when it comes to studying what has been successful in GT6 race ars. Jason Ostrowski riendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 n Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Larry Young wrote: > I could not find specs for their cams at that website. I have started a table of 6 cylinder cam specs, similar to the one for TR3/4 at my website. The problem is that most companies don't list complete specs. Larry Young www.TildenTechnologies.com On 5/12/2011 11:04 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: > Delta cams has about 8 cams that work well in British cars. > http://www.deltacam.com/ > Charly Mitchel > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From sm1ski at dslextreme.com Mon May 9 20:06:18 2011 From: sm1ski at dslextreme.com (michael a kowalski) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 20:06:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood References: <8CDDC782DFABB97-1D18-6A3D@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> <26985264-EA68-43DF-B442-33A4A550F013@aol.com> Message-ID: <20DC70733C584DB3ACDA3ECEB30990E4@sarako> if you are considering steel alternatives like the last message, I have one with flares that is heavy like steel. but you can have it. mike kowalski 1500 FP spit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Bock" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 fiberglass hood > Chuck > I have a steel one in good shape. Some dents but very little to no rust. > > I had looked into honeybourne in the uk and it seemed that for about $1500 > total i could get one of theirs shipped to me. > > Other than that I don't know of any other place. > > Chris > > On May 9, 2011, at 11:52 AM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> Years ago I bought a really lightweight fiberglass hood for my 1500 > Spitifre >> from a guy in Kansas. Thanks to the "redesign" I did at Portland, I need > to >> replace the one I have. Unfortunaltey, I can't find any of my old > information >> regarding the supplier. Does anyone know this guy or have a good source > for >> 1500 fiberglass hoods? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Gee >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sm1ski at dslextreme.com From atr6racer at hotmail.com Sun May 15 05:18:10 2011 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 07:18:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Small world, Sam Halkias,Little 500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jason and all, I make no bones about my mentor in racing, Wedge Rafferty is the one that got me into TR's and had I not met him I do not believe I would have ever got into road racing. Wedge and his family took me in when I was in college at BGSU in 1970. I worked part time at a American Gas station pumping gas and fixing cars. Wedge was the dealer rep for American. He notice that I was fixing all types of cars and asked me if I wanted to go to IRP and help him race his Triumph. Immediately I thought we were going drag racing as I had gone to the NHRA nationals at IRP every fall. When I pulled into Wedge's driveway there sat a school bus yellow TR4 with a roll cage, no windsheild, big fat tires and flared fenders. I still thought we were going to drag race it! Once we got to IRP Wedge unloaded the TR4 and fired it up and I think at that moment I was hooked. When I discovered the road course I knew I had to become a road racer. I helped Wedge for a couple of years and he helped me with my first TR4. I owe allot to Wedge! Wedge mentored me for many years and he is a legend in road racing from Cam Am to all sorts of road racing cars including 24 hours races. My first phone call after the win at the runoffs was to Wedge. In fact my gold medal hangs on a picture of my car in the rain at RA in a yellow school bus picture frame that Wedge painted himself and sent to me after the race. I keep in touch with him and he's still wrenching on cars! If you see him talk a look at his kit car Catterham! Thanks for sharing your story Jason! The "Wedger" as we call him, is a true hero to me! Sam > Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 17:20:03 -0500 > From: jason at multivintage.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Small world, Sam Halkias,Little 500 > > - just a bit of small town Triumph irony that made me feel big in racing - > >> > > With my race car on the trailer, word spreads fast in a small town... soon a > few of the town's racing legends were down at the local machine shop to > check out my ride. Racing is pretty big in Rensselaer. And at the top of the > heap is a fellow named Wedge Rafferty, an old time SCCA'er with > legendary endurance racing and sports car history. I have known Wedge for > over 20 years, he was a sponsor for my Go Kart teams and has great racing > "know how." I bought my first trailer from him 20 years ago. In the coarse > of bench racing chatter and B.S. with Wedge, someone who really understands > the thrill of racing, I was talking about how great this past year has been > for me racing the GT6, the coolness of FOT,meeting Kas Kastner, Racing the > Kastner Cup. etc. When I mentioned that I was racing against these great > Triumph guys....he instantly dropped the name Sam Halkias and continued to > divulge that Sam worked on his pit crew fresh out of school when, Mr. EP > Champ, was just a wee lad with a minimal interest in racing. > > I won major points with that group when I told Wedge that not only did I > see Sam win the SCCA National Championship from Canada Corner at Elkhart > Lake, I also raced against him at Heartland Park and enjoyed a few > conversations with him at our last Kastner Cup. So yeah, Team Turtle, Wedge > Rafferty...old small town college road racing hero's of > mine, apparently helped Sam Halkias get some sort of introduction to racing? > Wedge was delighted to hear that all of us somehow knew each other and the > friendship and history made a neat conection of three generations of racing. > >From Wedge Rafferty, to Sam Halkias, to me.... so, Small world eh Sam? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 #27 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/atr6racer at hotmail.com From spitfiresuz at 141.com Sun May 15 08:52:13 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:52:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1.3 lb Kronospark MiKroh Battery Message-ID: <4DCFE89D.8090804@141.com> /Z7zXvI: Permission denied From spitfiresuz at 141.com Sun May 15 09:13:01 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 11:13:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1.3 lb Kronospark MiKroh Battery Message-ID: <4DCFED7D.3000209@141.com> Hey gang, The Chicagoland Sports Car Club newsletter just had an article on a tiny new battery designed for racing, the MiKroh. It is a 1.3 (yes, one point three) lb lead-acid battery that delivers 900 cranking amps at 12 volts. It's available for $225 online at www.kronospark.com and comes with a free charger and free shipping. They also have the MiKroh^2 (2.7 lbs, 1500 CA) and the LiKroh (1.2 lb, 228 PCA) batteries. Anyone have any experience with these? Losing 20-30 battery lbs and a large battery box is intriguing, but I wonder how long they hold up and how well they do with sitting idle. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From spitfiresuz at 141.com Sun May 15 09:13:20 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 11:13:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1.3 lb Kronospark MiKroh Battery Message-ID: <4DCFED90.4060109@141.com> Hey gang, The Chicagoland Sports Car Club newsletter just had an article on a tiny new battery designed for racing, the MiKroh. It is a 1.3 (yes, one point three) lb lead-acid battery that delivers 900 cranking amps at 12 volts. It's available for $225 online at www.kronospark.com and comes with a free charger and free shipping. They also have the MiKroh^2 (2.7 lbs, 1500 CA) and the LiKroh (1.2 lb, 228 PCA) batteries. Anyone have any experience with these? Losing 20-30 battery lbs and a large battery box is intriguing, but I wonder how long they hold up and how well they do with sitting idle. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From garygret at sbcglobal.net Sun May 15 13:13:13 2011 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: 1.3 lb Kronospark MiKroh Battery In-Reply-To: <4DCFED7D.3000209@141.com> References: <4DCFED7D.3000209@141.com> Message-ID: <331749.87611.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have no personal experience but for work I keep up on battery technology and it seems like a well-thought-out design. The Kronospark guy Hal Glenn has been a member of our local Madison club for years and is very knowledgeable on the chemistry. He designed and builds the batteries. I've seen the one he runs in his street car, a modified 350Z. Professional-looking package, it is only 1 ampere-hour but still has the surge current to start the car. No technology touches lead-acid for surge current. For a race car with an alternator/generator it sounds good. (My car is a loss system and 1 AH wouldn't get me through a race.) The battery is rated for 10 seconds cranking at 900A which is the same as 30 seconds at a more realistic 300A - that could be marginal for a reluctant Brit on a cold damp morning. It does require some attention: fully discharge it even once and it's toast, and it must be trickle charged between races. The website is honest about all that. It's new enough I doubt there is much actual history on longevity, but lead-acid is well-known mature technology. An FAQ refers to 300 starting cycles typically and the spec sheet says 150 cycles at 200A/5sec which is a pretty long discharge. With that small a body it obviously doesn't have the mass of lead and acid of a normal package, but those numbers are pretty realistic from an electrical engineering viewpoint. I saw nothing on the website that sounded like BS and I have a pretty well-developed BS-o-meter. NFI, just a club member I know is a sharp cookie Gary Schneider ________________________________ From: Susan Kahler To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sun, May 15, 2011 10:13:01 AM Subject: [Fot] 1.3 lb Kronospark MiKroh Battery Hey gang, The Chicagoland Sports Car Club newsletter just had an article on a tiny new battery designed for racing, the MiKroh. It is a 1.3 (yes, one point three) lb lead-acid battery that delivers 900 cranking amps at 12 volts. It's available for $225 online at www.kronospark.com and comes with a free charger and free shipping. They also have the MiKroh^2 (2.7 lbs, 1500 CA) and the LiKroh (1.2 lb, 228 PCA) batteries. Anyone have any experience with these? Losing 20-30 battery lbs and a large battery box is intriguing, but I wonder how long they hold up and how well they do with sitting idle. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Sun May 15 14:44:25 2011 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil Temp TR4 forcing me to cancel my trip to KAS cup Message-ID: <629319.83393.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Well; The good news is the engine didn't fail (pretty sure). (TR4) I am running high oil temp. Ran 3 sessions with oil temp 220, 230 and 240. Water never got above 180. Cut the filter open after the first seesion and it was totally clean. Pitted with Jeff Quick, Mark York and Charly Mitchel (TR4a, TR6, TR3) at the Sovren Spring Sprints. Mark is having some challenges as well. I am afraid I can't make the tow from Vancouver Washington knowing I have this problem with no time on track before then. I am really disapointed that I won't make my first this year. I had been running laps in my head around Laguna Seca for months now. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From billb at bnj.com Sun May 15 16:16:46 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 15:16:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil Temp TR4 forcing me to cancel my trip to KAS cup In-Reply-To: <629319.83393.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <629319.83393.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike, that's not a particularly high oil temperature, though the trend isn't good. Is you oil cooler functioning properly? On May 15, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Well; > The good news is the engine didn't fail (pretty sure). (TR4) I am > running high > oil temp. Ran 3 sessions with oil temp 220, 230 and 240. Water > never got above > 180. Cut the filter open after the first seesion and it was > totally clean. > Pitted with Jeff Quick, Mark York and Charly Mitchel (TR4a, > TR6, TR3) at the > Sovren Spring Sprints. Mark is having some challenges as > well. > > > I am afraid I can't make the tow from Vancouver Washington knowing > I have this > problem with no time on track before then. I am really > disapointed that I won't > make my first this year. I had been running laps in > my head around Laguna Seca > for months now. > > > > Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun May 15 17:01:27 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 18:01:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Temp TR4 forcing me to cancel my trip to KAS cup Message-ID: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } WOW! Is there any chance you can get back with your engine builder and maybe find a solution or if the temp is really that high. What did the temp go up to on the dyno? I was really hoping you could make it, I don't think Mark York is going either. I had a low oil pressure when I came off the track yesterday and when all the races were canceled today, I went home and pulled my oil pan and checked things. Bearings look good, I suspect the oil pump, I saw a flaw in the casing which might have allowed it to 'leak'. New bearings and a oil pump and I'll be ready. Anybody have any suggestions on tweaking a TR6 oil pump? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 On Sun 15/05/11 1:44 PM , Mike Mehl mike.mehl at yahoo.com sent: Well; The good news is the engine didn't fail (pretty sure). (TR4) I am running high oil temp. Ran 3 sessions with oil temp 220, 230 and 240. Water never got above 180. Cut the filter open after the first seesion and it was totally clean. Pitted with Jeff Quick, Mark York and Charly Mitchel (TR4a, TR6, TR3) at the Sovren Spring Sprints. Mark is having some challenges as well. I am afraid I can't make the tow from Vancouver Washington knowing I have this problem with no time on track before then. I am really disapointed that I won't make my first this year. I had been running laps in my head around Laguna Seca for months now. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [2] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [3] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [4] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [5] Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com [6] Links: ------ [2] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [3] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From billb at bnj.com Sun May 15 17:11:18 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 16:11:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil Temp TR4 forcing me to cancel my trip to KAS cup In-Reply-To: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com> References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: I'd give you the same answer I gave Mike--talk to Tony Garmey. He's really become a go-to guy for TR motors in general. On May 15, 2011, at 4:01 PM, Charly wrote: > BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } > WOW! Is there any chance you can get back with your engine builder > and maybe find a solution or if the temp is really that high. What > did the temp go up to on the dyno? I was really hoping you could make > it, I don't think Mark York is going either. > > I had a low oil pressure when I came off the track yesterday and > when all the races were canceled today, I went home and pulled my oil > pan and checked things. Bearings look good, I suspect the oil pump, I > saw a flaw in the casing which might have allowed it to 'leak'. New > bearings and a oil pump and I'll be ready. > Anybody have any suggestions on tweaking a TR6 oil pump? > Charly Mitchel > > TR6 #44 > On Sun 15/05/11 1:44 PM , Mike Mehl mike.mehl at yahoo.com sent: > Well; > The good news is the engine didn't fail (pretty sure). (TR4) I am > running high > oil temp. Ran 3 sessions with oil temp 220, 230 and 240. Water > never got above > 180. Cut the filter open after the first seesion and it was > totally clean. > Pitted with Jeff Quick, Mark York and Charly Mitchel (TR4a, > TR6, TR3) at the > Sovren Spring Sprints. Mark is having some challenges as > well. > I am afraid I can't make the tow from Vancouver Washington knowing > I have this > problem with no time on track before then. I am really > disapointed that I won't > make my first this year. I had been running laps in > my head around Laguna Seca > for months now. > Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.fot-racing.com [2] > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [3] > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [4] > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [5] > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > [6] > > > Links: > ------ > [2] > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing > .com > [3] > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 > Fdonate.html > [4] > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 > Farchive > [5] > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 > Fforums > [6] > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net > %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From budscars at comcast.net Sun May 15 18:08:21 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 17:08:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr6 fiberglass hood & fenders Message-ID: I seem to recall someone looking for a TR6 glass hood..here's a Craigs list link to hood and fenders..San Francisco Bay area. RB http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/2376231157.html From billb at bnj.com Sun May 15 20:54:14 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 19:54:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil Temp TR4 forcing me to cancel my trip to KAS cup In-Reply-To: <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com> <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <31922E3B-3EA0-47B7-936D-30A99F2DC48A@bnj.com> I'm not sure why you are concerned about this oil temperature, I'd consider it pretty ideal. I thought I might be out of date with those ideas since they come mostly from my motorcycle racing days, but I did a little googling. Most of the oil manufacturers say that anything under 270 is acceptable for racing, under 260F is good. The viscosity of modern oils drops a little from 210 to 260, but the precipitous drop is after 270. Some components of the oil also start to break down at 270-280, but it's a relatively slow process. With the frequency of oil changes that racers employ it's not really a problem. I happened to be swapping email with a friend who races a Z06 in SCCA, she says they're really happy with anything under 280 but often see 290 at the end of tough races. Of course it's your choice what you do with your car, but I think you're fine for oil temperature--I'd be completely happy with 260 for oil temp in Peyote--happens some times. Mostly it's 250 in long races on hot days and in the spring and fall it's 220 and start thinking about duct tape. I don't really think I need an oil cooler. Some day we'll probably yank it off and save a few pounds and one more thing that can leak or fail. On May 15, 2011, at 6:04 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Bill > I had a good talk with Tony at the track. I am going to try ducting the oil cooler and move it close to the front valance. I did get a note from Kas telling me they ran thoses temps all the time back in the day. If ducting takes the temp down 25 degrees I should be good. > > I will run the Sovren July 4th race. > > Thanks Bill > > Mike From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 16 00:33:27 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 08:33:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Oil Temp TR4 forcing me to cancel my trip to KAS cup In-Reply-To: <629319.83393.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <629319.83393.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001cc1393$2bb479f0$831d6dd0$@com> I don't run an oil gauge at my car. One thing less to worry about: "If oil pressure drops - bullshit stops!" Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mike Mehl Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. Mai 2011 22:44 An: Triumph Friends of Betreff: [Fot] Oil Temp TR4 forcing me to cancel my trip to KAS cup Well; The good news is the engine didn't fail (pretty sure). (TR4) I am running high oil temp. Ran 3 sessions with oil temp 220, 230 and 240. Water never got above 180. Cut the filter open after the first seesion and it was totally clean. Pitted with Jeff Quick, Mark York and Charly Mitchel (TR4a, TR6, TR3) at the Sovren Spring Sprints. Mark is having some challenges as well. I am afraid I can't make the tow from Vancouver Washington knowing I have this problem with no time on track before then. I am really disapointed that I won't make my first this year. I had been running laps in my head around Laguna Seca for months now. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Mon May 16 06:39:04 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 08:39:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] More swag? Message-ID: Amici I am doing this for something else but I can easily do it for the FOT. I am talking about a 2 foot x 3 foot (maybe 3x4). Flag with the FOT crest. The price is in the 20-40 buck range. If i get enough interest I will get a mire exact price. I am still talking to a few companies. I did the badges and they came out well. I think I can do this aswell Chris Ps. Happy Monday From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 16 07:26:24 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 09:26:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] More swag? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDE1E3FD12D89A-F4C-8390@angweb-usm005.sysops.aol.com> I would be in for this. It was done once before. However, the size of the 'crest' seemed small in proportion to the size of the flag. Go for it. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: FoTTriumph Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 7:39 am Subject: [Fot] More swag? Amici I am doing this for something else but I can easily do it for the FOT. I am talking about a 2 foot x 3 foot (maybe 3x4). Flag with the FOT crest. The price is in the 20-40 buck range. If i get enough interest I will get a mire exact price. I am still talking to a few companies. I did the badges and they came out well. I think I can do this aswell Chris Ps. Happy Monday _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 16 07:42:27 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 09:42:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Thanks! Volunteerism in the FOT Message-ID: <8CDE1E63A9632A4-F4C-8CBF@angweb-usm005.sysops.aol.com> One of the things that has allowed the FOT flourish without a formal organization is the voluntary actions of several folks. EVENT SHIRTS DECALS BADGES ARTICLES HOSTING DONATIONS FLAGS ARTWORK PHOTOGRAPHY PUBLIC RELATIONS KASTNER CUP EVENTS SPEAKERS DINNERS ETC. Though not all list members are credentialed racers, most members have made contributions to the FOT that allow us to thrive. If you add up all of the activities, the time and effort has been enormous. Then you add in the friendships and all of the folks joining us in the paddock with support. VERY IMPRESSIVE! If we lose this kind of support, we have nothing. THANKS! = From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 16 07:53:33 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 07:53:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What fun. Message-ID: <4DD12C5D.6000405@bradakis.com> Mailman is acting up, some lists are working, like this one, some are not working, like the big Triumph list. I'm home sick today, maybe my stuffy, aching head will be able to muddle through and fix it rather than do more damage. mjb. From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon May 16 07:58:38 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 09:58:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] fender Message-ID: After an exciting moment in the rain at turn 3 at Summit Point I find that I have a need for a right rear fender for my TR3A. Does anyone know of a fender which might be avaliable?????? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon May 16 07:59:16 2011 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 06:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] More swag? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <608989.3107.qm@web80805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I, too, would be interested in a flag. ----- Original Message ---- From: Christopher Bock To: FoTTriumph Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 8:39:04 AM Subject: [Fot] More swag? Amici I am doing this for something else but I can easily do it for the FOT. I am talking about a 2 foot x 3 foot (maybe 3x4). Flag with the FOT crest. The price is in the 20-40 buck range. If i get enough interest I will get a mire exact price. I am still talking to a few companies. I did the badges and they came out well. I think I can do this aswell Chris Ps. Happy Monday _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From BillDentin at aol.com Mon May 16 08:29:49 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:29:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... Message-ID: <1cf42.22f29a80.3b028edd@aol.com> Amici... The seven year old racing radiator in Bob Wismer's TR4 (my racing partner) has a non reparable core failure. He needs to replace it. Bob is not on the FOT list. I think the finance company repossessed his computer. Anyway, he asked me if I would check and see if anyone can recommend a good replacement and a source? Bill Dentinger From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon May 16 08:38:19 2011 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:38:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 54, Issue 27 Message-ID: "A few months ago when I pulled the carbs off my Spitfire engine the linkage" Marty, try the Rimmer Bros site, they have exploded views of the carb linkages http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/ItemList--Triumph-Spitfire-Fuel-System--m-196 mike G. Michael Harmuth From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 16 09:35:58 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 15:35:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... In-Reply-To: <1cf42.22f29a80.3b028edd@aol.com> Message-ID: <1760193306.96739.1305560158142.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I use the Griffin radiator. I think it was for a mustang andB real good price as I recall. It has to be canted to fit but cooling has never been an issue with it. I can send pictures if you want. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:29:49 AM Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... Amici... The seven year old racing radiator in Bob Wismer's TR4 (my racing partner) has a non reparable core failure. B He needs to replace it. B Bob is not on the FOT list. B I think the finance company repossessed his computer. B Anyway, he asked me if I would check and see if anyone can recommend a good replacement and a source? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From BillDentin at aol.com Mon May 16 09:41:30 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 11:41:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... Message-ID: Amici... Anyone have a report on last week end's vintage event at Road America? My grand daughter's graduation from North Dakota State prevented me from being there. It is the first one I ever missed. The weather was rather cool, and wet on Saturday. Pity, as the week prior was actually balmy, lots of sun and temperatures in the 70s and 80s. Bill Dentinger From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 16 09:54:28 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 11:54:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... In-Reply-To: <1760193306.96739.1305560158142.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CDE1F8AC51FB7D-F4C-D151@angweb-usm005.sysops.aol.com> i have heard rumors of this choice. i would like to hear more. maybe FOT Jerry Van Vlack could shed some light on this. he is in the radiator distribution business. joe -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 10:35 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... I use the Griffin radiator. I think it was for a mustang andB real good price as I recall. It has to be canted to fit but cooling has never been an issue with it. I can send pictures if you want. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:29:49 AM Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... Amici... The seven year old racing radiator in Bob Wismer's TR4 (my racing partner) has a non reparable core failure. B He needs to replace it. B Bob is not on the FOT list. B I think the finance company repossessed his computer. B Anyway, he asked me if I would check and see if anyone can recommend a good replacement and a source? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From limeyv8 at aol.com Mon May 16 11:27:34 2011 From: limeyv8 at aol.com (Jack McGahey) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 13:27:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] More swag? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B3776CF-710B-4159-9E9E-C652D74E9D4B@aol.com> I'm in Jack Mc Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Christopher Bock wrote: > Amici > > I am doing this for something else but I can easily do it for the FOT. > > I am talking about a 2 foot x 3 foot (maybe 3x4). Flag with the FOT crest. > The price is in the 20-40 buck range. > > If i get enough interest I will get a mire exact price. I am still talking to > a few companies. > > I did the badges and they came out well. I think I can do this aswell > > Chris > > Ps. Happy Monday > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon May 16 11:50:14 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:50:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... In-Reply-To: <1cf42.22f29a80.3b028edd@aol.com> References: <1cf42.22f29a80.3b028edd@aol.com> Message-ID: <000501cc13f1$b69b7830$23d26890$@com> If he's looking for an aluminum one I recommend Wizard Cooling at www.wizardcooling.com. We have one of their radiators and are very pleased with it. We have never had overheating problems, including last August at Topeka where it was in the mid to high 90's. Ours was the "prototype" for the early TR4 design but without the crank hole. They do have others of the later TR4 designs. I have the name of the fella we worked with somewhere in my files if he's interested. If he wants to keep the original style steel radiator he can take it to a good radiator shop and they can get a new core and solder it to his old tanks. That is what I did for my street TR5 and it worked out really good. The new core is much better at cooling than the original as it is a more modern design and as I recall has more rows. Wasn't real costly either, quite a bit less than an aluminum one. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:30 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... Amici... The seven year old racing radiator in Bob Wismer's TR4 (my racing partner) has a non reparable core failure. He needs to replace it. Bob is not on the FOT list. I think the finance company repossessed his computer. Anyway, he asked me if I would check and see if anyone can recommend a good replacement and a source? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From jkhagen at charter.net Mon May 16 11:57:44 2011 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 13:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... Message-ID: Friends, {Bill} Only two Tr's Tony Drews and John Hagen [4's] Cool drizzel Fri/Sat cool dry Sun-\ Tony's hot rod was fast as ususal. My "new" 4 ran in the 3:20's in the fog and ran --got it sorted out best time 3:10 Sunday Not to bad for a heavy war horse last raced 1977! Engine was built in '76--a little under powered but held together all week end. A few brave TR fans showed up and cheered us on. The "Tech" crew got a big kick out of my worn out log book from the late '60s and '70s!! My MG buddies would not talk to me they say I have gone to the dark side. John Hagen On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:41 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Anyone have a report on last week end's vintage event at Road America? > My grand daughter's graduation from North Dakota State prevented me > from being there. It is the first one I ever missed. > > The weather was rather cool, and wet on Saturday. Pity, as the week > prior was actually balmy, lots of sun and temperatures in the 70s and > 80s. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From jason at multivintage.com Mon May 16 12:10:56 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:10:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Welcome to the dark side! Nice job bringing that baby back from the dead. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: jkhagen at charter.net Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 13:57:44 To: Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... Friends, {Bill} Only two Tr's Tony Drews and John Hagen [4's] Cool drizzel Fri/Sat cool dry Sun-\ Tony's hot rod was fast as ususal. My "new" 4 ran in the 3:20's in the fog and ran --got it sorted out best time 3:10 Sunday Not to bad for a heavy war horse last raced 1977! Engine was built in '76--a little under powered but held together all week end. A few brave TR fans showed up and cheered us on. The "Tech" crew got a big kick out of my worn out log book from the late '60s and '70s!! My MG buddies would not talk to me they say I have gone to the dark side. John Hagen On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:41 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Anyone have a report on last week end's vintage event at Road America? > My grand daughter's graduation from North Dakota State prevented me > from being there. It is the first one I ever missed. > > The weather was rather cool, and wet on Saturday. Pity, as the week > prior was actually balmy, lots of sun and temperatures in the 70s and > 80s. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 16 14:52:33 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:52:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Just wondering Message-ID: <4DD18E91.3040401@bradakis.com> Still having server issues. mjb. From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon May 16 15:57:42 2011 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:57:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... References: <8CDE1F8AC51FB7D-F4C-D151@angweb-usm005.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Joe and others. We do not get any discount on aluminum radiators from Wizard or Griffin that I am aware of but I'd be happy to check with them to see. I've heard about a Mustang radiator that some have used but I don't have the specs on which one is used. Also I don't have any information on what needs done to get them mounted. As I walk around the Pits I see a number of good solutions that folks have devised. My suggestion would be to ask fellow racers what they used. No need to re-invent something that is working. If someone would like to send me some details on size and or year and engine size of the Mustang I can drill something down. No promises but I'd be happy to try. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... > i have heard rumors of this choice. > > i would like to hear more. > > maybe FOT Jerry Van Vlack could shed some light on this. > > he is in the radiator distribution business. > > joe > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 10:35 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... > > > I use the Griffin radiator. I think it was for a mustang andB real good > price > as I recall. > > It has to be canted to fit but cooling has never been an issue with it. > > I can send pictures if you want. > > > > > > Jim G. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BillDentin at aol.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:29:49 AM > Subject: [Fot] Racing Radiator for Triumph TR4... > > Amici... > > The seven year old racing radiator in Bob Wismer's TR4 (my racing partner) > has a non reparable core failure. B He needs to replace it. B > > Bob is not on the FOT list. B I think the finance company repossessed his > computer. B Anyway, he asked me if I would check and see if anyone can > recommend a good replacement and a source? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From billb at bnj.com Mon May 16 17:41:24 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 16:41:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bad Knee News In-Reply-To: References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com>, , <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <31922E3B-3EA0-47B7-936D-30A99F2DC48A@bnj.com> Message-ID: I guess it depends on your definition of bad. The Doc said my knee is coming along just fine and should be 100 percent--if I don't screw it up before it heals. The good news is that they were able to repair the meniscus instead of cutting it away. The bad news is that it takes much longer for that to heal--like a couple of months. He basically said racing in July should be fine, in June--no. So I'm out for the HMSA Laguna FOT race and Buttonwillow. Should be OK for the Northwest Historics if I don't screw anything up. Tony, no need to bring Peyote to Portland, the next time I'll need it will be at Pacific. See you then. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon May 16 17:48:32 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:48:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bad Knee News In-Reply-To: References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com>, , <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <31922E3B-3EA0-47B7-936D-30A99F2DC48A@bnj.com> Message-ID: <001601cc1423$c565b650$503122f0$@com> Sorry to hear the bad news. I had arthroscopic knee surgery a couple of years ago and when I mentioned to the doctor that it seemed to be taking an awfully long time to heal seeing as how some of the football players have that type of surgery and are back on the field in a week or two, he not so subtly told me that I'm not 25 years old and in prime physical condition and that just may make a difference! It sure did, took months to heal up. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:41 PM To: Tony and Annie Garmey Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] Bad Knee News I guess it depends on your definition of bad. The Doc said my knee is coming along just fine and should be 100 percent--if I don't screw it up before it heals. The good news is that they were able to repair the meniscus instead of cutting it away. The bad news is that it takes much longer for that to heal--like a couple of months. He basically said racing in July should be fine, in June--no. So I'm out for the HMSA Laguna FOT race and Buttonwillow. Should be OK for the Northwest Historics if I don't screw anything up. Tony, no need to bring Peyote to Portland, the next time I'll need it will be at Pacific. See you then. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From billb at bnj.com Mon May 16 17:51:33 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 16:51:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bad Knee News In-Reply-To: <001601cc1423$c565b650$503122f0$@com> References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com>, , <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <31922E3B-3EA0-47B7-936D-30A99F2DC48A@bnj.com> <001601cc1423$c565b650$503122f0$@com> Message-ID: <07C8C833-CE63-4EEB-983F-D84881A71D67@bnj.com> I more or less asked the same question, the doc said "there are repairs we can do that will work for years and repairs we can do that work for a season." On May 16, 2011, at 4:48 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > Sorry to hear the bad news. I had arthroscopic knee surgery a couple of > years ago and when I mentioned to the doctor that it seemed to be taking an > awfully long time to heal seeing as how some of the football players have > that type of surgery and are back on the field in a week or two, he not so > subtly told me that I'm not 25 years old and in prime physical condition and > that just may make a difference! It sure did, took months to heal up. > > Tim Murphy > 1961 TR4 #317 From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Mon May 16 18:07:36 2011 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:07:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bad Kas Cup News [for me] In-Reply-To: <001601cc1423$c565b650$503122f0$@com> References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com>, , <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <31922E3B-3EA0-47B7-936D-30A99F2DC48A@bnj.com> <001601cc1423$c565b650$503122f0$@com> Message-ID: Sorry to say that I've heard more bad news than good regarding Laguna Seca. As much as it pains me, I ain't gunna' make it either. A $5k race just isn't in my immediate future. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On May 16, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > Sorry to hear the bad news. I had arthroscopic knee surgery a > couple of > years ago and when I mentioned to the doctor that it seemed to be > taking an > awfully long time to heal seeing as how some of the football > players have > that type of surgery and are back on the field in a week or two, he > not so > subtly told me that I'm not 25 years old and in prime physical > condition and > that just may make a difference! It sure did, took months to heal up. > > Tim Murphy > 1961 TR4 #317 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:41 PM > To: Tony and Annie Garmey > Cc: Triumph Friends of > Subject: [Fot] Bad Knee News > > I guess it depends on your definition of bad. The Doc said my knee > is coming > along just fine and should be 100 percent--if I don't screw it up > before it > heals. The good news is that they were able to repair the meniscus > instead > of > cutting it away. The bad news is that it takes much longer for that to > heal--like a couple of months. He basically said racing in July > should be > fine, in June--no. > > So I'm out for the HMSA Laguna FOT race and Buttonwillow. Should be > OK for > the > Northwest Historics if I don't screw anything up. > > Tony, no need to bring Peyote to Portland, the next time I'll need > it will > be > at Pacific. See you then. > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From gasket.works at verizon.net Mon May 16 19:43:11 2011 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:43:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... Message-ID: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> HMSA will email to each entrant (about 15 cars entered so far). prelim notification. Cris tells me that this will happen tonight. Other accompanying documentation later. This is is such a cool track. Just love the downhill after the Corkscrew. My engine and gearbox still out of the car.. but, hope to get them in this weekend.... I purchased two Go pro cameras and will try to get them synched for some great vids in 1080p and 3d! M M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph1 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax GMT-8 Pacific From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 16 19:49:22 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 19:49:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... In-Reply-To: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> References: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: <4DD1D422.4030607@bradakis.com> Cool. I am going to try making it this time, hopefully no near death experiences will get in my way. Yikes, I better get my hotel reservation made. mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Mon May 16 20:06:52 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 19:06:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... References: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: <8F669616505849FB8A11198B86C396AB@Bud> A neat thing to check out at Laguna Seca....Turns 2 & 3 of the original track layout(1.9 miles) are still visible.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MORDY DUNST" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:43 PM Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... > HMSA will email to each entrant (about 15 cars entered so far). prelim > notification. Cris tells me that this will happen tonight. Other > accompanying documentation later. > > This is is such a cool track. Just love the downhill after the Corkscrew. > > My engine and gearbox still out of the car.. but, hope to get them in this > weekend.... I purchased two Go pro cameras and will try to get them > synched > for some great vids in 1080p and 3d! > > M > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > www.Headgasket.com > 626.358.1616 ph1 > 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > > Triple R Munitions, Inc. > Class 6 Certified F.F.L. > 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > GMT-8 Pacific > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon May 16 21:30:51 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 20:30:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] More swag? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DD1EBEB.6020001@comcast.net> I'd go for one of these as well. On 5/16/2011 5:39 AM, Christopher Bock wrote: > Amici > > I am doing this for something else but I can easily do it for the FOT. > > I am talking about a 2 foot x 3 foot (maybe 3x4). Flag with the FOT crest. > The price is in the 20-40 buck range. > > If i get enough interest I will get a mire exact price. I am still talking to > a few companies. > > I did the badges and they came out well. I think I can do this aswell > > Chris > > Ps. Happy Monday > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 16 22:50:59 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 23:50:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110517045110.C4FF218764E@autox.team.net> 'twas cold all weekend. Friday was Foggy and delayed us almost an hour for the start. I think they gave up on the fog lifting and just sent us out hoping for the best. We all tippy toed around and eventually decided that there was decent traction, but the session ended so they could try to get caught up. The 12:30 session was the same kinda deal - made it down into the high 2:50's (like 2:57) for that session putting me 12th in the group. Saturday was misting so the track was in varying stages of wet, but there wasn't enough water in the air to soak the drivers suit, just to keep the visibility through the visor iffy. Didn't set any track records in the timed practice, so started 12th in the qualifying race Saturday afternoon. I had mounted new Speedsters at the beginning of the weekend and that started to look like a wise thing to do. I found the "rain line" to work quite well. I passed several cars on the front straight at the start, dove 3 wide into turn 1 and had a blast. I kept passing the next guy, watched one or two spin out in front of me and worked my way up to 4th chasing down a black 356. I worried him in the corners enough that he ran wide going onto the front straight. I ended the race in 3rd and was catching the leaders (although I'm sure they backed off due to conditions). Sunday was dry but 49 degrees and 30 mph winds. They re-gridded us based on best times so I started 12th again. Worked my way up to 8th - ended up running by myself though. Ended up with a mid 2:54 as my best lap. The Saturday race was particularly satisfying - I felt like a Hero in that one - ON THE EDGE but at 75% of the normal speed. Got to meet John Hagen and the new to him TR-4. Nice looking car - he's obviously spent quite a bit of time on it. Saw him pulling it on the trailer on Sunday - decent outing for a first time out, neat guy, great addition to our group. Tony Drews At 10:41 AM 5/16/2011, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >Amici... > >Anyone have a report on last week end's vintage event at Road America? > >My grand daughter's graduation from North Dakota State prevented me from >being there. It is the first one I ever missed. > >The weather was rather cool, and wet on Saturday. Pity, as the week prior >was actually balmy, lots of sun and temperatures in the 70s and 80s. > >Bill Dentinger >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 16 23:39:16 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 00:39:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... In-Reply-To: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> References: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: <20110517053921.DDCFA18764F@autox.team.net> I did receive my confirmation e-mail from Chris today. Can't wait! Tony Drews At 08:43 PM 5/16/2011, MORDY DUNST wrote: >HMSA will email to each entrant (about 15 cars entered so far). prelim >notification. Cris tells me that this will happen tonight. Other >accompanying documentation later. > > This is is such a cool track. Just love the downhill after the Corkscrew. > >My engine and gearbox still out of the car.. but, hope to get them in this >weekend.... I purchased two Go pro cameras and will try to get them synched >for some great vids in 1080p and 3d! > >M > >M.N.Dunst >Gasket Works USA, LLC >www.Headgasket.com >626.358.1616 ph1 >626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT >626.628.3777 fax > >Triple R Munitions, Inc. >Class 6 Certified F.F.L. >626.201.9471 ph/TEXT >626.628.3777 fax >GMT-8 Pacific From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Tue May 17 01:48:17 2011 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 03:48:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... In-Reply-To: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> References: <000801cc1433$c842a440$0401a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: <001601cc1466$c9046570$5b0d3050$@rr.com> Mordy, I have just one of the Go-Pro cameras and have problems with it shutting down during a session. I emailed the company and they told me it was vibration(???) I am using all their mountings including their rollbar mount. Had the same problem at VIR and also at Summit Point. I'll be back in touch with them shortly to see what their comment is. The picture and sound is exceptional, I just wish I could get a full session to record. I'm recording at 720 resolution (#2) and have a 32gig Kingston SD card in it. I'm nowhere close to filling the card and in fact it stopped after recording only a few meg worth at Summit Point last weekend. Frustrating. I'll keep you in the loop. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MORDY DUNST Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:43 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... HMSA will email to each entrant (about 15 cars entered so far). prelim notification. Cris tells me that this will happen tonight. Other accompanying documentation later. This is is such a cool track. Just love the downhill after the Corkscrew. My engine and gearbox still out of the car.. but, hope to get them in this weekend.... I purchased two Go pro cameras and will try to get them synched for some great vids in 1080p and 3d! M M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph1 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax GMT-8 Pacific _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue May 17 07:21:36 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 08:21:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bad Kas Cup News [for me] In-Reply-To: References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com>, , <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <31922E3B-3EA0-47B7-936D-30A99F2DC48A@bnj.com> <001601cc1423$c565b650$503122f0$@com> Message-ID: It's just too far away for me in these lean times. I'm 1,700 miles away. Fuel alone for the tow would be around $1600.00. Adding in hotels and the entry fee and that number doubles before we start counting all the other stuff. I really want to go but I can't justify it. Woe is me :) Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 7:08 PM To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] Bad Kas Cup News [for me] Sorry to say that I've heard more bad news than good regarding Laguna Seca. As much as it pains me, I ain't gunna' make it either. A $5k race just isn't in my immediate future. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On May 16, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > Sorry to hear the bad news. I had arthroscopic knee surgery a > couple of > years ago and when I mentioned to the doctor that it seemed to be > taking an > awfully long time to heal seeing as how some of the football > players have > that type of surgery and are back on the field in a week or two, he > not so > subtly told me that I'm not 25 years old and in prime physical > condition and > that just may make a difference! It sure did, took months to heal up. > > Tim Murphy > 1961 TR4 #317 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:41 PM > To: Tony and Annie Garmey > Cc: Triumph Friends of > Subject: [Fot] Bad Knee News > > I guess it depends on your definition of bad. The Doc said my knee > is coming > along just fine and should be 100 percent--if I don't screw it up > before it > heals. The good news is that they were able to repair the meniscus > instead > of > cutting it away. The bad news is that it takes much longer for that to > heal--like a couple of months. He basically said racing in July > should be > fine, in June--no. > > So I'm out for the HMSA Laguna FOT race and Buttonwillow. Should be > OK for > the > Northwest Historics if I don't screw anything up. > > Tony, no need to bring Peyote to Portland, the next time I'll need > it will > be > at Pacific. See you then. > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 17 08:43:19 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 14:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... In-Reply-To: <1257747988.143306.1305643090449.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1208636787.143547.1305643399183.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I had the same trouble with mine, more than once. It shut down with two laps to go at the K-Cup race last year. It annoyed me to the point I bought a chase cam. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "MORDY DUNST" , fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:48:17 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... Mordy, I have just one of the Go-Pro cameras and have problems with it shutting down during a session. I emailed the company and they told me it was vibration(???) I am using all their mountings including their rollbar mount. Had the same problem at VIR and also at Summit Point. I'll be back in touch with them shortly to see what their comment is. The picture and sound is exceptional, I just wish I could get a full session to record. I'm recording at 720 resolution (#2) and have a 32gig Kingston SD card in it. I'm nowhere close to filling the card and in fact it stopped after recording only a few meg worth at Summit Point last weekend. Frustrating. I'll keep you in the loop. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MORDY DUNST Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:43 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... HMSA will email to each entrant (about 15 cars entered so far). prelim notification. B Cris tells me that this will happen tonight. B Other accompanying documentation later. B This is is such a cool track. B Just love the downhill after the Corkscrew. My engine and gearbox still out of the car.. but, hope to get them in this weekend.... B I purchased two Go pro cameras and will try to get them synched for some great vids in 1080p and 3d! M M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph1 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 B Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax GMT-8 Pacific _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue May 17 08:48:57 2011 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 08:48:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Free food and rest stop in Albuqueruque for Kastner cup travelers Message-ID: I'll put you up just 2 miles off I-40 in Cedar Crest, NM and feed you near Albuquerque if it helps anyone get to the event. We have a fairly private guest room with TV and bathroom and have. Come stop, eat, sleep and leave, I have leached off others on the list more than my fair share and wold be thrilled to help someone get to the event. (The downside might be listening to my endless BS). Cheers Henry Morrison, Near Albuquerque From andre at gt6.ca Tue May 17 08:50:57 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:50:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... In-Reply-To: <1208636787.143547.1305643399183.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1257747988.143306.1305643090449.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1208636787.143547.1305643399183.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I'm not using their mount, but not tested it under race conditions. http://124racer.com/gallery/11/0505_GoPro_960/slides/IMG_2022.html http://124racer.com/gallery/11/0509_Accusump/slides/IMG_2045.html I used the mount last year. Manfrotto Super clamp with a quick release on a Sony POV camera. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVI3VLXH9TA&feature=player_embedded So the GoPro will be interesting. What back have you been running with? I did a test and did not like the full back audio. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYaxtxok6ak&feature=player_embedded A. On 17 May 2011 10:43, wrote: > I had the same trouble with mine, more than once. It shut down with two laps > to go at the > > K-Cup race last year. It annoyed me to the point I bought a chase cam. > > > > > > jim g > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Spitfire Racing" > To: "MORDY DUNST" , fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:48:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... > > Mordy, > I have just one of the Go-Pro cameras and have problems with it shutting > down during a session. I emailed the company and they told me it was > vibration(???) I am using all their mountings including their rollbar mount. > Had the same problem at VIR and also at Summit Point. I'll be back in touch > with them shortly to see what their comment is. The picture and sound is > exceptional, I just wish I could get a full session to record. I'm recording > at 720 resolution (#2) and have a 32gig Kingston SD card in it. I'm nowhere > close to filling the card and in fact it stopped after recording only a few > meg worth at Summit Point last weekend. Frustrating. I'll keep you in the > loop. > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MORDY DUNST > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:43 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... > > HMSA will email to each entrant (about 15 cars entered so far). prelim > notification. B Cris tells me that this will happen tonight. B Other > accompanying documentation later. > > B This is is such a cool track. B Just love the downhill after the Corkscrew. > > My engine and gearbox still out of the car.. but, hope to get them in this > weekend.... B I purchased two Go pro cameras and will try to get them > synched > for some great vids in 1080p and 3d! > > M > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > www.Headgasket.com > 626.358.1616 ph1 > 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > > Triple R Munitions, Inc. > Class 6 B Certified F.F.L. > 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > GMT-8 Pacific > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 17 08:59:12 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 14:59:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing in Hastings NE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1388132022.144256.1305644352012.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT Heartland Vintage Racing is co-sponsoring our annual RMVR event at Hastings NE. this year. Anyway, since I can't afford the trip to Monterey this year I'm going to shoot for Hastings. It's the first weekend in September. I've never been to Hastings but everyone I know says it's a blast & they have all kinds of non-racing things going on too. This may be a second chance for some of us that can't make the K-Cup. Here are some linksB B B http://www.racemph.com/ B B B B B B B B http://rmvr.com/ Jim g From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue May 17 09:23:51 2011 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 11:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] metalurgy question Message-ID: Hi, I'm fettling a Falcon SS header for one of my TR6's. The installation pretty much requires that you make some reliefs in the downpipe so that you can install the hold-downs. No surprises there. Now, although I've been using an oxy-acetylene torch for 15 years, I've never actually trained on it's use, so I'm on new ground owing to the material - 304 stainless. I heated the tube area where it's to be relieved so that it's bright red. I then hammered the tube with various types of hammers to get the general shape I want. Again, no big deal. The issue / question is: when the tube cools down, it has a fairly rough texture to it. It's sort of grey-ish. I'm thinking that I may have overheated the surface and / or had the flame a tad (or extremely) on the "oxidizing" side if things. So, assuming that I was closer to "welding" than just reshaping, is it possible to bring the surface back to something that looks like tubing from the tube factory or should I just leave well enough alone? The eventual goal is to ceramic coat the header, if that has an bearing on the topic. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From riverside at southslope.net Tue May 17 09:28:05 2011 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:28:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bad Knee News In-Reply-To: <07C8C833-CE63-4EEB-983F-D84881A71D67@bnj.com> References: <25095.1305500487@mitchelplumbing.com>, , <943913.92693.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <31922E3B-3EA0-47B7-936D-30A99F2DC48A@bnj.com> <001601cc1423$c565b650$503122f0$@com> <07C8C833-CE63-4EEB-983F-D84881A71D67@bnj.com> Message-ID: <6F9AB413176A476CAA20A1985D418D35@rileyPC> I had the right knee done 3 years ago and the left one is due next month. As my doctor explained the proceedure to me, he said that for young athletes, they did a very nic and tidy tuck and repair, but for old farts like me, they just snipped off the offending part and threw it away. I told him I was glad he was not my urologist. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:51 PM To: Tim Murphy Cc: 'Triumph Friends of' Subject: Re: [Fot] Bad Knee News I more or less asked the same question, the doc said "there are repairs we can do that will work for years and repairs we can do that work for a season." On May 16, 2011, at 4:48 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > Sorry to hear the bad news. I had arthroscopic knee surgery a couple of > years ago and when I mentioned to the doctor that it seemed to be taking > an > awfully long time to heal seeing as how some of the football players have > that type of surgery and are back on the field in a week or two, he not so > subtly told me that I'm not 25 years old and in prime physical condition and > that just may make a difference! It sure did, took months to heal up. > > Tim Murphy > 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 17 09:29:07 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 11:29:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing in Hastings NE RMVR & HVR CO-SPONSORS In-Reply-To: <1388132022.144256.1305644352012.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CDE2BE4C0D815A-ECC-1B450@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Jim, Presently we plan to be there. Seems like a good payback to be there, after all of the support we got from RMVR at last year's KCUP. Country Club track with nice facilities....I stopped by once to view the track. At the end of the day, it's the people that count.....should be pretty mellow. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Sent: Tue, May 17, 2011 9:59 am Subject: [Fot] Racing in Hastings NE FoT Heartland Vintage Racing is co-sponsoring our annual RMVR event at Hastings NE. this year. Anyway, since I can't afford the trip to Monterey this year I'm going to shoot for Hastings. It's the first weekend in September. I've never been to Hastings but everyone I know says it's a blast & they have all kinds of non-racing things going on too. This may be a second chance for some of us that can't make the K-Cup. Here are some linksB B B http://www.racemph.com/ B B B B B B B B http://rmvr.com/ Jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 17 09:43:19 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 15:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] metalurgy question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1800487180.146868.1305646999291.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> The texture you describe is called mill scale. It will come off with a sanding block & 180 grit or even a soft wheel on a 4" grinder but you need to be carefull with that and use as fine a grit as you can find with the grinder. Then you can dress it down as shiny as you want with 240, 320, 400 etc. I assume there is a bit of a divit which will require some sanding without the block. For heating metal with a torch you want to use a rose bud tip. A rose bud isn't as concentrated as a cutting tip. You should be able to reach inside the tube with a porting tool and conical emery cloth tips to get that as well. Jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 9:23:51 AM Subject: [Fot] metalurgy question Hi, I'm fettling a Falcon SS header for one of my TR6's. The installation pretty much requires that you make some reliefs in the downpipe so that you can install the hold-downs. No surprises there. Now, although I've been using an oxy-acetylene torch for 15 years, I've never actually trained on it's use, so I'm on new ground owing to the material - 304 stainless. I heated the tube area where it's to be relieved so that it's bright red. I then hammered the tube with various types of hammers to get the general shape I want. Again, no big deal. The issue / question is: when the tube cools down, it has a fairly rough texture to it. It's sort of grey-ish. I'm thinking that I may have overheated the surface and / or had the flame a tad (or extremely) on the "oxidizing" side if things. So, assuming that I was closer to "welding" than just reshaping, is it possible to bring the surface back to something that looks like tubing from the tube factory or should I just leave well enough alone? The eventual goal is to ceramic coat the header, if that has an bearing on the topic. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 17 09:59:51 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 11:59:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Free food and rest stop in Albuqueruque for Kastner cup travelers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDE2C296FB7763-ECC-1C56F@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> you mean we wouldnt have sleep on the floor and the yard like we made you do? -----Original Message----- From: Henry Morrison To: fot Sent: Tue, May 17, 2011 9:48 am Subject: [Fot] Free food and rest stop in Albuqueruque for Kastner cup travelers I'll put you up just 2 miles off I-40 in Cedar Crest, NM and feed you near Albuquerque if it helps anyone get to the event. We have a fairly private guest room with TV and bathroom and have. Come stop, eat, sleep and leave, I have leached off others on the list more than my fair share and wold be thrilled to help someone get to the event. (The downside might be listening to my endless BS). Cheers Henry Morrison, Near Albuquerque _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From cofrog at q.com Tue May 17 10:01:28 2011 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 12:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing in Hastings NE RMVR & HVR CO-SPONSORS In-Reply-To: <8CDE2BE4C0D815A-ECC-1B450@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <773077255.206794.1305648088279.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> I too find Monterey beyond my budget. So planning on running Hastings again this year after missing last year due to racing at Topeka. Always had a great time at Hasting and the track management is a hoot. Hope to see folks from HSR and CVAR among others attend. Dan Forgey ----- Original Message ----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 9:29:07 AM Subject: [Fot] Racing in Hastings NE RMVR & HVR CO-SPONSORS Thanks Jim, Presently we plan to be there. Seems like a good payback to be there, after all of the support we got from RMVR at last year's KCUP. Country Club track with nice facilities....I stopped by once to view the track. At the end of the day, it's the people that count.....should be pretty mellow. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Sent: Tue, May 17, 2011 9:59 am Subject: [Fot] Racing in Hastings NE FoT Heartland Vintage Racing is co-sponsoring our annual RMVR event at Hastings NE. this year. Anyway, since I can't afford the trip to Monterey this year I'm going to shoot for Hastings. It's the first weekend in September. I've never been to Hastings but everyone I know says it's a blast & they have all kinds of non-racing things going on too. This may be a second chance for some of us that can't make the K-Cup. Here are some linksB B B http://www.racemph.com/ B B B B B B B B http://rmvr.com/ Jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon May 16 13:37:42 2011 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <259808.29931.qm@web125708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I was there Saturday and Sunday. Saturday qualifying was on a damp track, with all the people sliding off, some very good driving, and un-nerving a Porsche driver at turn 14 on the second to the last lap; Tony was to have been 3rd on the grid for the race. Very few appeared to have any knowledge of a "rain line". However those running the event decided to massage the race grid due to the number of people who didn't qualify (I think they got something from the Porsche guys). Tony started about were he finished, 8th, behind a bunch of Porsches, a A-H 3000 and a Alfa or two. As I stated in another response John Hagen presented himself well; didn't hit any solid objects like others did; and even made a couple passes. Many commented that this was the worst weather ever for this event; I would but the weather in the worst three for this event,no snow flurries. Still beat cutting the grass. In your honor I did bring some wine and cheese on Saturday. While I can provide some respectable wine and cheese I can not provide your level of entertainment. Ernie ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 10:41:30 AM Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... Amici... Anyone have a report on last week end's vintage event at Road America? My grand daughter's graduation from North Dakota State prevented me from being there. It is the first one I ever missed. The weather was rather cool, and wet on Saturday. Pity, as the week prior was actually balmy, lots of sun and temperatures in the 70s and 80s. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon May 16 13:28:27 2011 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <690461.70246.qm@web125706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> John: They're just jealous. You may not have been fast in comparison to the Porsches but you were consistent and didn't finish last. At least that is what I saw while crewing for Tony and hiding from the wind. Ernie ________________________________ From: "jkhagen at charter.net" To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 12:57:44 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... My MG buddies would not talk to me they say I have gone to the dark side. John Hagen From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue May 17 18:56:32 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 20:56:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: <690461.70246.qm@web125706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: , <690461.70246.qm@web125706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I cant believe he hangs out with those MG folks, let alone tell us about it! :) Marty > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:28:27 -0700 > From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com > To: jkhagen at charter.net; BillDentin at aol.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... > > John: > > They're just jealous. > > Ernie > ________________________________ > From: "jkhagen at charter.net" > > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, > May 16, 2011 12:57:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road > America... > > My MG buddies would not talk to me they say I have gone to the > dark side. John > Hagen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Wed May 18 07:22:06 2011 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 08:22:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Items that need a home, I need race engine money!!!! Message-ID: Morning members< Here's a list of some goodies that I have that need a new home: - Slotted and Dimpled rotors for a stock Spitfire (Not GT6 rotors) New 60.00 for the pair. - Triumph1300 JE Forged pistons 0.030 over used but in excellent condition with pins and locks set of 4 $150.00 I have pics of these parts if you need to see them, just e mail me. I am not a fan of Pay Pal as the fees kill a lot of the dollars. Most of you know of me or at least know who I am so I prefer checks that can clear the bank and then I will ship the items. You will get the parts and they are as described. Offers if reasonable will be considered as well thanks!! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From jkhagen at charter.net Wed May 18 08:44:42 2011 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 10:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... Message-ID: <178ecf9.fa86.1300390d9de.Webtop.44@charter.net> Needed to come out of the closet! I started with MG powered TVR [also has lots of TR parts] going to TR-4 is like automotive diversification. My other car is a '32 Ford with Chev engine. My motto is "No Snivelling" John Hagen ps--Where are all the TR racers [RA May] had a dozen MGs' two TRs'! On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:56 PM, marty sukey wrote: I cant believe he hangs out with those MG folks, let alone tell us about it! :) Marty > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:28:27 -0700 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com To: > jkhagen at charter.net; BillDentin at aol.com CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... > John: > They're just jealous. > Ernie ________________________________ From: "jkhagen at charter.net" > To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 12:57:44 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage > Event at Road America... > My MG buddies would not talk to me they say I have gone to the dark > side. John Hagen _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From emanteno at comcast.net Wed May 18 08:49:41 2011 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 09:49:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: <178ecf9.fa86.1300390d9de.Webtop.44@charter.net> References: <178ecf9.fa86.1300390d9de.Webtop.44@charter.net> Message-ID: On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 9:44 AM, wrote: > ps--Where are all the TR racers [RA May] had a dozen MGs' two TRs'! > We're known for quality, not quantity. There were Road America regulars that weren't there for assorted reasons - graduation and/or other schedule conflicts, mechanical ills, budgetary constraints. At VIR last month, there were about 15 assorted TRiumph race cars. There were a lot less mg's. Keep coming out, you'll see more TRiumphs next time. From igofaster at att.net Wed May 18 10:42:58 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 09:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] which comes first, the Spitfire Racecar or the GT6 Racecar? Message-ID: <160660.98206.qm@web180804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In my struggle with depression I decided NOT to call my Doctor... (are you as tired as I am over those commercials?) .. Instead I'm gathering up my big boy britches and moving forward on both projects. GT6.. seems I have a block that was already line bored for cam bearings. I'll be on the hunt for putting that one together first. I can come back to the block that will need re - sleeved later in my depression recovery. Spitfire ... seems the 1965 Spitwad has a 1500 engine in it. Once I get it sort of dialed in, I'm sure CVAR will let me run it a few events with the non-period correct 1500. So... I'm in the hunt for a period correct 1296 (1300?) Spitfire engine. Isn't the small journal engine desired? High rev potential? Does anybody have a 1296 engine they would like to sell? TR6 ... driving the beauty up to Eagles Canyon Raceway this weekend to wrench, crew, whine, and drink beer and have a gathering of drunk nighthawks in the garage area when I break out the guitar for a round chorus of CoomBaYaa. Small Bore British Classic this weekend ... the Grandson of Healey will be there from England as well a gaggle of other British dignitaries ... should be fun ... even if I'm not racing... I'll be sleeping on the concrete with 5 other Triumphs! I've got 99972 miles on the TR6 so I think I'm going to set the GoPro on the roll bar and YouTube the 100,000 mile mark on the hills north of my house on FM730 early Friday morning headed up to ECR in Decatur Texas. Enjoy! Bobby Whitehead ... Triple Dose of Triumph 'har Doctor? From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 18 10:51:16 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 11:51:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] which comes first, the Spitfire Racecar or the GT6 Racecar? In-Reply-To: <160660.98206.qm@web180804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <160660.98206.qm@web180804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bobby, Do you want to take the Lemon's TR6 and piss off the CVAR brass? It's race ready......sort of. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 11:43 AM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] which comes first, the Spitfire Racecar or the GT6 Racecar? In my struggle with depression I decided NOT to call my Doctor... (are you as tired as I am over those commercials?) .. Instead I'm gathering up my big boy britches and moving forward on both projects. GT6.. seems I have a block that was already line bored for cam bearings. I'll be on the hunt for putting that one together first. I can come back to the block that will need re - sleeved later in my depression recovery. Spitfire ... seems the 1965 Spitwad has a 1500 engine in it. Once I get it sort of dialed in, I'm sure CVAR will let me run it a few events with the non-period correct 1500. So... I'm in the hunt for a period correct 1296 (1300?) Spitfire engine. Isn't the small journal engine desired? High rev potential? Does anybody have a 1296 engine they would like to sell? TR6 ... driving the beauty up to Eagles Canyon Raceway this weekend to wrench, crew, whine, and drink beer and have a gathering of drunk nighthawks in the garage area when I break out the guitar for a round chorus of CoomBaYaa. Small Bore British Classic this weekend ... the Grandson of Healey will be there from England as well a gaggle of other British dignitaries ... should be fun ... even if I'm not racing... I'll be sleeping on the concrete with 5 other Triumphs! I've got 99972 miles on the TR6 so I think I'm going to set the GoPro on the roll bar and YouTube the 100,000 mile mark on the hills north of my house on FM730 early Friday morning headed up to ECR in Decatur Texas. Enjoy! Bobby Whitehead ... Triple Dose of Triumph 'har Doctor? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Wed May 18 11:21:39 2011 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 10:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: <178ecf9.fa86.1300390d9de.Webtop.44@charter.net> References: <178ecf9.fa86.1300390d9de.Webtop.44@charter.net> Message-ID: <401480.26670.qm@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> John: As long as you have seen the light and come back from the Dark Side. Show up for the Blackhawk Farms Classic next month and you will see more TR's. Ernie ________________________________ From: "jkhagen at charter.net" To: marty sukey Cc: Ernie Husmann ; billdentin at aol.com; FOT Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 9:44:42 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... Needed to come out of the closet! I started with MG powered TVR [also has lots of TR parts] going to TR-4 is like automotive diversification. My other car is a '32 Ford with Chev engine. My motto is "No Snivelling" John Hagen ps--Where are all the TR racers [RA May] had a dozen MGs' two TRs'! On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:56 PM, marty sukey wrote: I cant believe he hangs out with those MG folks, let alone tell us about it! :) Marty > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:28:27 -0700 > From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com > To: jkhagen at charter.net; BillDentin at aol.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... > > John: > > They're just jealous. > > Ernie > ________________________________ > From: "jkhagen at charter.net" > > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, > May 16, 2011 12:57:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road > America... > > My MG buddies would not talk to me they say I have gone to the > dark side. John > Hagen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed May 18 11:42:38 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 12:42:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] May Vintage Event at Road America... In-Reply-To: <401480.26670.qm@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <178ecf9.fa86.1300390d9de.Webtop.44@charter.net> <401480.26670.qm@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Or come race with us next weekend at Blackhawk Farms with Midwestern Council. Sunday Memorial Day Weekend. So far two Triumphs... Me in my GT6 and Scott Barr in his Spitfire. This may be a good shakedown event as a full day of racing costs only $190. Practice, Qualifying, Race. Or if anyone else might have an interest http://www.mcscc.org/. click, schedules/ register Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Ernest Husmann wrote: > John: > > > Show up for the Blackhawk Farms Classic next month and you will see more. From herald948 at aol.com Wed May 18 12:22:07 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 14:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] which comes first, the Spitfire Racecar or the GT6 Racecar? In-Reply-To: <160660.98206.qm@web180804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <160660.98206.qm@web180804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDE39FA16C44D2-1C4C-40A9B@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead Spitfire ... seems the 1965 Spitwad has a 1500 engine in it. Once I get it sort of dialed in, I'm sure CVAR will let me run it a few events with the non-period correct 1500. So... I'm in the hunt for a period correct 1296 (1300?) Spitfire engine. Isn't the small journal engine desired? High rev potential? --Andy Mace ==AM== I admit that, as merely a retired Spitfire autocrosser and Herald nut, I know next to nothing about any of the sanctioning bodies and their rules. But a 1965 Spitfire (FC prefix if you still have a commission plate on it) would have had the 1147cc engine originally! *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed May 18 15:01:17 2011 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 17:01:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve Message-ID: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> I'm installing a dual circuit setup in my TR4, and based on a vendor suggestion I bought a 10# restrictor valve for the drums. However, after browsing the archives it appears that I shudda bought a restrictor for the disks. Damn, another backtrack. Is a restrictor for the disks warranted, instead of the drums? If so, I assume a 2# unit would be the correct size? TIA jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From billb at bnj.com Wed May 18 16:17:25 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 15:17:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve In-Reply-To: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> References: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <46ED1052-1B55-4ED0-A029-7DD91FC50FE7@bnj.com> You shouldn't need a residual pressure valve for the drums. I'm not sure what you have, if it's a variable restrictor it's for changing the front/rear bias then it might be useful, though I don't care much for them. You want a residual pressure regulator to keep the disk pucks from withdrawing too far when you let off the brake (the seal lip elasticity pulls them back). That isn't necessary with drums because you have mechanical adjustment of that. On May 18, 2011, at 2:01 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > I'm installing a dual circuit setup in my TR4, and based on a vendor suggestion I bought a 10# restrictor valve for the drums. However, after browsing the archives it appears that I shudda bought a restrictor for the disks. Damn, another backtrack. Is a restrictor for the disks warranted, instead of the drums? If so, I assume a 2# unit would be the correct size? > > TIA > > jim > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________\ From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed May 18 18:56:30 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 17:56:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve In-Reply-To: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> References: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <0b1301cc15bf$98103e80$c830bb80$@rr.com> > Is a restrictor for the disks > warranted, instead of the drums? If you are talking about a residual pressure valve, as the factory installed on earlier cars, then I would say No, you don't need it. Instead you need to install the uprated front axles and bearing spacers that were developed to solve the same problem WITHOUT having the brakes drag all the time. Not sure who all carries them, but TRF does. -- Randall From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Wed May 18 23:48:41 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 01:48:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Idle By Pass Diaphragms Message-ID: <14e95.6eeab6e7.3b060939@aol.com> Does anyone know if the idle by-pass valves are the same for the CD 175 and the CD 150 Stromberg carbs? TIA Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 19 02:37:01 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 10:37:01 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Have a look on Larry's cam In-Reply-To: <0b1301cc15bf$98103e80$c830bb80$@rr.com> References: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> <0b1301cc15bf$98103e80$c830bb80$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000b01cc15ff$edfe94f0$c9fbbed0$@com> http://www.youtube.com/v/lzl3CRhZVQw?hl=de&fs=1 Cheers Chris From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu May 19 09:36:49 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 11:36:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve In-Reply-To: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: We run a 1" Wilwood dual master unrestricted to front discs with a variable valve adjust in the line to the rear on the TR3A and it works great.... John H. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J.C. Hassall Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 5:01 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve I'm installing a dual circuit setup in my TR4, and based on a vendor suggestion I bought a 10# restrictor valve for the drums. However, after browsing the archives it appears that I shudda bought a restrictor for the disks. Damn, another backtrack. Is a restrictor for the disks warranted, instead of the drums? If so, I assume a 2# unit would be the correct size? TIA jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From billb at bnj.com Thu May 19 10:33:02 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 09:33:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Seems to be a bit of confusion here. Disk brakes generally need a residual pressure valve which keeps a bit of pressure on the pucks to prevent them from being withdrawn too much by seal elasticity. The stock brake system on all TRs I know of that have disks includes a residual pressure valve. If you replace that with a simple T for the front brake circuit you will need a residual pressure valve. Some master cylinders come with the residual pressure valve already installed, and you need to remove those if you're using it for back brakes or clutches (really bad for clutch, it may toast your thrust bearing). If you don't have a valve in the MC then you can add an inline residual pressure valve. A restrictor is totally different--it's used to adjust bias. It's not the best way to do that, a balance bar works much better since it doesn't change pedal effort and the adjustment can be made in both directions (though it's rare to need to increase rear braking), but restrictors are cheaper and easier. On May 19, 2011, at 8:36 AM, John Hasty wrote: > We run a 1" Wilwood dual master unrestricted to front discs with a variable > valve adjust in the line to the rear on the TR3A and it works great.... From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu May 19 12:07:26 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 11:07:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR2000] Idle By Pass Diaphragms References: <14e95.6eeab6e7.3b060939@aol.com> Message-ID: <22DC0B09B9C84CF1BE1811A0FF952581@Charly> This may have the answer you're looking for. http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ProductCategory.aspx?ParentId=24 Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; <6pack at autox.team.net> Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 10:48 PM Subject: [TR2000] Idle By Pass Diaphragms > Does anyone know if the idle by-pass valves are the same for the CD 175 > and > the CD 150 Stromberg carbs? > > TIA > Sam Clark > Green Country Triumphs > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From craigl at leinickegroup.com Thu May 19 16:12:32 2011 From: craigl at leinickegroup.com (Craig Leinicke) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 17:12:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues Message-ID: Looking for some help... After trailering our land speed TR7 900 miles to run at Maxton NC last weekend... an issue which we thought we had solved... re-appeared. On our first run the engine blew the head gasket in the number 4 cylinder when we shifted into 5th gear. The car still ran 105mph with one cylinder under water. This is a 12 to 1 compression engine and we have been using Hylomar sealant with a conventional high quality British head gasket with some success. All of our attempts to seal the head with a solid copper gasket have proved unsuccessful. We have contacted Cometic about a multi-layer steel gasket... But no deal. With an 1800 mile round trip tow to race and gas at over $4.00 per gallon, I need to eliminate this failure going forward. Thanks in Advance for your response. Craig Leinicke Flashback Racing www.flashbackracing.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu May 19 17:29:06 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 16:29:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0cba01cc167c$8ced00c0$a6c70240$@rr.com> > Disk brakes generally need a > residual > pressure valve which keeps a bit of pressure on the pucks to prevent > them from > being withdrawn too much by seal elasticity. In the case of the TR3-4, I believe it was done for a different reason: the front spindles flex enough under hard cornering to push the caliper pistons back and cause a low pedal on next application. I don't recall the change point offhand, but the factory deleted the RPV at some point (during TR4A production maybe). Having run for some 25 years with the RPV removed from an otherwise stock TR3A, I do not believe that seal flex is a significant issue with these calipers. But spindle flex definitely is. For my car and my driving (on the street), I find that I can just live with a low pedal after hard maneuvers. It's never been low enough to need a pump, just enough to be disconcerting if you aren't expecting it. I believe it was Jack Drews that came up with the spacer fix instead. -- Randall From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 19 19:11:51 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 21:11:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDE4A208C51E1B-81C-43395@webmail-d034.sysops.aol.com> cool! i cant help much, but see the TR7 and TR8 as a natural progression of vintage competition. i know that we have some interest in these cars on the list. let the support begin...... thanks for the post, Craig. -----Original Message----- From: Craig Leinicke To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, May 19, 2011 5:12 pm Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues Looking for some help... After trailering our land speed TR7 900 miles to run at Maxton NC last weekend... an issue which we thought we had solved... re-appeared. On our first run the engine blew the head gasket in the number 4 cylinder when we shifted into 5th gear. The car still ran 105mph with one cylinder under water. This is a 12 to 1 compression engine and we have been using Hylomar sealant with a conventional high quality British head gasket with some success. All of our attempts to seal the head with a solid copper gasket have proved unsuccessful. We have contacted Cometic about a multi-layer steel gasket... But no deal. With an 1800 mile round trip tow to race and gas at over $4.00 per gallon, I need to eliminate this failure going forward. Thanks in Advance for your response. Craig Leinicke Flashback Racing www.flashbackracing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Thu May 19 19:54:41 2011 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 21:54:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve In-Reply-To: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> References: <4DD4339D.90506@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <4DD5C9E1.3000101@blacksburg.net> On 5/18/2011 5:01 PM, J.C. Hassall **stupidly** wrote: > I'm installing a dual circuit setup in my TR4, and based on a vendor > suggestion I bought a 10# restrictor valve for the drums. ... > Sorry folks, I had a brain fart when typing. As many respondents correctly assumed, I meant "residual pressure valve". That said, out of 9 data points there was no consensus about whether to use one in the disk circuit or not. In any case it seems like a good idea for me to get Uncle Jack's uprated front axle kit - something I should have already done. j -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu May 19 20:24:38 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 22:24:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003601cc1695$11c19820$3544c860$@rogers.com> You might try posting a question here, lots of knowledgeable people on this forum. Paul http://www.forum.triumphtr7.com/ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Craig Leinicke Sent: May 19, 2011 6:13 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues Looking for some help... After trailering our land speed TR7 900 miles to run at Maxton NC last weekend... an issue which we thought we had solved... re-appeared. On our first run the engine blew the head gasket in the number 4 cylinder when we shifted into 5th gear. The car still ran 105mph with one cylinder under water. This is a 12 to 1 compression engine and we have been using Hylomar sealant with a conventional high quality British head gasket with some success. All of our attempts to seal the head with a solid copper gasket have proved unsuccessful. We have contacted Cometic about a multi-layer steel gasket... But no deal. With an 1800 mile round trip tow to race and gas at over $4.00 per gallon, I need to eliminate this failure going forward. Thanks in Advance for your response. Craig Leinicke Flashback Racing www.flashbackracing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Fri May 20 02:45:55 2011 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 09:45:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 dual circuit brakes - restrictor valve In-Reply-To: <0cba01cc167c$8ced00c0$a6c70240$@rr.com> References: <0cba01cc167c$8ced00c0$a6c70240$@rr.com> Message-ID: <0F719592-8CB2-45EB-9A71-D40F4F7F28E7@virgin.net> Hi all I run a dual circuit system and no external valves on Beastie and no problems with what I call 'pad knock off' , caused by the stub axle flexure. I'm currently using avast of the southwick fat alloy hubs and stub axles as they take much more of a pounding without the need for intervention, but prior to this I used the shim and conical washer kit that TR enterprises can supply. Big improvement over the standard set up as this stops the stub axle flexing quite a lot, so for most this might be enough. The fat hub kit with big stub axles removes the issue completely, no soft pedal or high bearing wear rate, no nylons flying off and 3 wheel motoring etc. So for me this was the way to go as my nerves get frayed quite enough as the scenery flies by very close . Regards Tony Sent from My iPhone On 20 May 2011, at 00:29, "Randall" wrote: >> Disk brakes generally need a >> residual >> pressure valve which keeps a bit of pressure on the pucks to prevent >> them from >> being withdrawn too much by seal elasticity. > > In the case of the TR3-4, I believe it was done for a different reason: the > front spindles flex enough under hard cornering to push the caliper pistons > back and cause a low pedal on next application. > > I don't recall the change point offhand, but the factory deleted the RPV at > some point (during TR4A production maybe). > > Having run for some 25 years with the RPV removed from an otherwise stock > TR3A, I do not believe that seal flex is a significant issue with these > calipers. But spindle flex definitely is. For my car and my driving (on > the street), I find that I can just live with a low pedal after hard > maneuvers. It's never been low enough to need a pump, just enough to be > disconcerting if you aren't expecting it. > > I believe it was Jack Drews that came up with the spacer fix instead. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri May 20 10:18:04 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 18:18:04 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Rear brakes In-Reply-To: <0F719592-8CB2-45EB-9A71-D40F4F7F28E7@virgin.net> References: <0cba01cc167c$8ced00c0$a6c70240$@rr.com> <0F719592-8CB2-45EB-9A71-D40F4F7F28E7@virgin.net> Message-ID: <000e01cc1709$823297c0$8697c740$@com> As we are talking about brakes. I bought a new rear hydraulics for the drums with a piston diameter of 3/4", to have more bias to the rear. I've installed that stuff and tried to fill the system with fluid when it started leaking very badly - they were new! I took them apart and found interesting things. 1. They are not 3/4" they are 1" in size 2. the manufactuer has forgot that rest inside the housing so that the piston is going too deep in, with its gasket past the bores of the connectors...that's why they leaked. Solution: I made on my lathe a 0.177" shim that is deep in that bore now and is the rest for the piston. Now it does work properly. But I have to reset my brake adjustment as I have now very much bias to the rear with such huge pistons. Cheers Chris From LOddTR at aol.com Fri May 20 17:38:26 2011 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 19:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] ANNOUNCEMENT: Triumph Ghetto 2011 Martha McDougal Trophy Winner Message-ID: <1bc0.46e5c286.3b085572@aol.com> After finally getting my engine together and completing it's break-in at speed, it has occurred to me we never announced our 2011 Martha McDougal Trophy winner to the wider Triumph racing community. After much deliberation, the TR Ghetto Award Committee selected Tony Drews as the winner of the Martha McDougal Trophy at this year's VDCA Wild Hare Run at VIR. Tony epitomizes the characteristics that Martha displayed daily at the factory in Coventry. He is known as a leader on the track, is always willing to lend a hand, or part, and has devoted his talents to developing parts that keep our cars going with improved performance and reliability. Above all, Tony is a TR guy that we all admire. Congratulations Tony! Best wishes for another successful race season. The TR Ghetto Martha McDougal Trophy Committee Don, Dean and Leo From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat May 21 07:59:44 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 09:59:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001b01cc17bf$56c0a580$0441f080$@rogers.com> Here is a suggestion from the TR7 Forum. Does anyone have experience with the copper head gasket and the sealing rings or even the grooves cut into the block? Anyplace in North America do this? Thanks Paul ------------------------------------------------------------- Contact Coltec Racing - they used to be Holbay Racing and they built the Formula 3 Sprint engines. http://coltecracing.com/ I was talking to one of them about 20 years ago and remember mention of grooves in the head/block as used here: http://www.ferriday.co.uk/copper/copper.shtml Quote: "A more aggressive sealing method is to machine a groove into the top of the block and inlay a piece of wire that protrudes to "bite" into the copper gasket. If a "receiver" groove is machined into the head the wire will push the copper into the head groove - this is very aggressive & very effective." -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Craig Leinicke Sent: May 19, 2011 6:13 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues Looking for some help... After trailering our land speed TR7 900 miles to run at Maxton NC last weekend... an issue which we thought we had solved... re-appeared. On our first run the engine blew the head gasket in the number 4 cylinder when we shifted into 5th gear. The car still ran 105mph with one cylinder under water. This is a 12 to 1 compression engine and we have been using Hylomar sealant with a conventional high quality British head gasket with some success. All of our attempts to seal the head with a solid copper gasket have proved unsuccessful. We have contacted Cometic about a multi-layer steel gasket... But no deal. With an 1800 mile round trip tow to race and gas at over $4.00 per gallon, I need to eliminate this failure going forward. Thanks in Advance for your response. Craig Leinicke Flashback Racing www.flashbackracing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat May 21 10:30:50 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 09:30:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Head Gasket Issues In-Reply-To: <001b01cc17bf$56c0a580$0441f080$@rogers.com> References: <001b01cc17bf$56c0a580$0441f080$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <075101cc17d4$72f2eb90$0301a8c0@randall> Any good "high performance" machine shop should be able to O-ring the block for you. It's more commonly done on heads, but the operation is the same. I use a simpler approach on my TR3 (which has mis-cut liner seats). It works well for me, but I don't know how well it would work on a TR7 motor. http://tinyurl.com/2f6lvq5 http://tinyurl.com/3m2tzp3 -- Randall From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sat May 21 16:39:46 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 18:39:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit upright replacement (?) Message-ID: <76B95C06-CF22-42A3-9D44-DEFEE9FACED6@aol.com> Amici I was just going threw some of my stock spit parts and I just so happened up look at my friends TR6. Is it possible to use a TR6 upright/brake/spindle? I know the trunion, ball joint are wider and the whole upright is about an inch or so taller. But is the TR6 a stronger unit? Is it worthwhile to do it? From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat May 21 18:33:00 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 10:33:00 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Re TR7 Head Gasket Issues Message-ID: on the dolomite sprint (16V version of that engine, same block), we have previously machined O rings into the block to solve this problem. Use 0.75mm MIG wire with 0,25mm protruding. The real tricks are to make sure the ring is perfectly concentric with the bore and it sits on the gaskets metal fire ring. If i recall correctly, we got a gasket specially made with a wider than stock fire ring to allow this to happen. Terry From BillDentin at aol.com Sun May 22 09:15:06 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 11:15:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 Radiator issues... Message-ID: <5b68.ecfc529.3b0a827a@aol.com> Amici... Bob Wismer asked me to send a Thank You Note out to all who came forward with ideas for replacing the radiator in his TR4 race car. He appreciated getting the numerous suggested solutions from which he could pick the one that fit him the best. He has ordered a custom radiator from WIZARD COOLING and will also have an original radiator re-cored as a spare. Thanks again. Bill Dentinger and Bob Wismer From billb at bnj.com Sun May 22 10:39:00 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 09:39:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cheap to a good home In-Reply-To: <075101cc17d4$72f2eb90$0301a8c0@randall> References: <001b01cc17bf$56c0a580$0441f080$@rogers.com> <075101cc17d4$72f2eb90$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <808E25E2-A79B-4B57-8115-F9199E5C26FB@bnj.com> We're starting to move the last stuff from our Portland home, and I'm looking at the old cheater TR3 and wondering what to do with it. Answer--get rid of it. It's basically a frame and most of a body with a really good roll cage and a lot of alternative parts. There's all the ultralight fiberglass body parts and light frame to hang them off if someone wanted to build a NASCAR Triumph. Not sure where you could race it, but it's an option, then there's a bunch of steel body parts (not complete, but very close) if someone wanted to build a steel, legal race car. I'd sell it with a rear end or two, miscellaneous parts, three TR3 transmissions, driveshafts, etc. From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Sun May 22 21:19:03 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 23:19:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 Alternator Message-ID: <57fe6.274bf77.3b0b2c27@aol.com> I have a MKIII GT6 and was looking at the Bentley manual this evening trying to do some research on the alternator and the only thing in the book gives the info but is all says not for GT6. What's up with that? It is a GT6 manual after all. Any help? Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun May 22 22:12:44 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 21:12:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Alternator In-Reply-To: <57fe6.274bf77.3b0b2c27@aol.com> References: <57fe6.274bf77.3b0b2c27@aol.com> Message-ID: <09e001cc18ff$aae3ba80$0301a8c0@randall> It means except a "Mk I" GT6 (except of course it wasn't called "Mk I", just "GT6"). And that is because the early ones had a generator instead of an alternator. If you look earlier in the book, I think you'll find the generator section marked "GT6 only". -- Randall From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 23 12:58:40 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 18:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank plugs Message-ID: <570863583.375426.1306177120637.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT, It seems like every time I use loctite of any kind on the crank plugs they have to be drilled out. Just looking for some input on loctite & crank plugs. Thanks as always, Jim G. From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Mon May 23 15:38:39 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 07:38:39 +1000 Subject: [Fot] spitfire front uprights wanted Message-ID: can anyone help with some used late model spitfire front uprights and matching steering arms. the ones i want have the steering arms bolted on the outside, bot thru a hole in the upright like early cars & GT6. dont care if thread at bottom is worn as it will be modified for a race use. dont need trunnions thanks., Terry From igofaster at att.net Mon May 23 20:00:24 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 19:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto Message-ID: <415078.67520.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Just an update of the CVAR weekend and Eagles Canyon for the F.o.T. The Southern Region of the Triumph Ghetto was in full force at Eagles Canyon this past weekend. Robert 'Fireball' Kramer's beautiful TR4 was flawless and fast. Bob Blake finally got his TR4 dialed in by Sunday morning. Seems the condenser wasn't grounded out well. Joe Hovey spun a bearing or two in the Spitwad. Greg Blake either broke a crank on his lovely TR3 or the flywheel came loose. Bill Collins finally got his little Spitwad dialed in. I drove our street TR6 up Saturday morning and turned 100,000 miles on FM 730 headed to Azle Texas. I GOPRO'd the event in the thickest fog or humidity I've seen here in a while. I'll try to YOUTUBE it. The GT6 was broke but I still wrenched, crewed, drank beer, camped, and whined with the best of them. Call it an historic weekend as Steve Coleman paid all expenses for Clive Baker and the grandson and great-grandson of Healey (Austin Healey) came over to participate in our small British event on Saturday. The offspring of Healey had never raced and Steve Coleman paid for 3 days track time at VIR for these two to get their novice licenses. Pinnacle group rented ECR Thursday and Clive Baker was reunited with the Daytona coupe Healey he drove at Dayton in the late 60's. Steve Coleman has 2 of the 3 factory Healeys that were manual fuel injected, one beautiful coupe, and one roadster. So for the small bore classic we had 48 cars on the track, Clive Baker, and Healey's grandson in a members Sprite and the great-grandson in the Healey roadster. I was passenger in the XKE V12 roadster pace car and got some really nice shots of the front 20 or so cars. Stay tuned, I'll photo bucket them or something. Bobby Whitehead From igofaster at att.net Mon May 23 20:06:50 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 19:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto Tee Shirts Message-ID: <794291.81969.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Speaking of Triumph Ghetto... has anyone thought of putting together some nice tee shirts for the group? Steve Coleman and the Storage 105 guys made up 250 really, really nice tee shirts for our small bore event last weekend in color. Some color photos of one of the Daytona Healeys was done along with some time capsule black and white photos of Clive Baker and a couple other Healeys. They are medium grey and turned out really well. When I arrived at ECR last weekend we had some small traffic cones marking of our spaces TRIUMPH GHETTO and the two made me think of this idea. Of course if no one has and there is some interest, I may do some up if they can punch out. I make up some for my store and I think they are 5 colors and a decent shirt with silk screen runs about $8.00 a shirt, cost... Bobby Whitehead Pawn Star of CVAR From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 23 20:18:25 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 22:18:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto In-Reply-To: <415078.67520.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <415078.67520.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDE7CFFF547025-2C4-6C0C@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> thanks for taking the time to do a race report... it keeps everyone in touch and information has a chance to flow nicely. knowing the failure modes is good communication, too. How does the RMVR event at Hastings look for the CVAR guys and Triumphs specifically? Some of us have our eye out for another FOT gathering before the end of the year. VIR was great, Leguna will be very cool. Perhaps Hastings' RMVR event in the Heartland will complete the geography. -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 9:00 pm Subject: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto Just an update of the CVAR weekend and Eagles Canyon for the F.o.T. The Southern Region of the Triumph Ghetto was in full force at Eagles Canyon this past weekend. Robert 'Fireball' Kramer's beautiful TR4 was flawless and fast. Bob Blake finally got his TR4 dialed in by Sunday morning. Seems the condenser wasn't grounded out well. Joe Hovey spun a bearing or two in the Spitwad. Greg Blake either broke a crank on his lovely TR3 or the flywheel came loose. Bill Collins finally got his little Spitwad dialed in. I drove our street TR6 up Saturday morning and turned 100,000 miles on FM 730 headed to Azle Texas. I GOPRO'd the event in the thickest fog or humidity I've seen here in a while. I'll try to YOUTUBE it. The GT6 was broke but I still wrenched, crewed, drank beer, camped, and whined with the best of them. Call it an historic weekend as Steve Coleman paid all expenses for Clive Baker and the grandson and great-grandson of Healey (Austin Healey) came over to participate in our small British event on Saturday. The offspring of Healey had never raced and Steve Coleman paid for 3 days track time at VIR for these two to get their novice licenses. Pinnacle group rented ECR Thursday and Clive Baker was reunited with the Daytona coupe Healey he drove at Dayton in the late 60's. Steve Coleman has 2 of the 3 factory Healeys that were manual fuel injected, one beautiful coupe, and one roadster. So for the small bore classic we had 48 cars on the track, Clive Baker, and Healey's grandson in a members Sprite and the great-grandson in the Healey roadster. I was passenger in the XKE V12 roadster pace car and got some really nice shots of the front 20 or so cars. Stay tuned, I'll photo bucket them or something. Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com = From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Mon May 23 20:25:52 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 22:25:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto Tee Shirts Message-ID: <880d3.41295fb.3b0c7130@aol.com> Count me in, Bobby. Sam Clark In a message dated 5/23/2011 9:07:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, igofaster at att.net writes: Speaking of Triumph Ghetto... has anyone thought of putting together some nice tee shirts for the group? Steve Coleman and the Storage 105 guys made up 250 really, really nice tee shirts for our small bore event last weekend in color. Some color photos of one of the Daytona Healeys was done along with some time capsule black and white photos of Clive Baker and a couple other Healeys. They are medium grey and turned out really well. When I arrived at ECR last weekend we had some small traffic cones marking of our spaces TRIUMPH GHETTO and the two made me think of this idea. Of course if no one has and there is some interest, I may do some up if they can punch out. I make up some for my store and I think they are 5 colors and a decent shirt with silk screen runs about $8.00 a shirt, cost... Bobby Whitehead Pawn Star of CVAR _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 23 20:38:14 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 22:38:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: <794291.81969.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <794291.81969.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDE7D2C42EC1E0-2C4-72B5@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> cool bobby! it's been awhile since we had a big tee shirt run. this is a huge undertaking. Schumacher helped up with an array of shirts for Watkins Glen coordinated by the SUKEYS? Hilyer did one for Heartland Park. we have no Kastner Cup Tee-Shirt planned for Laguna Seca. (sometimes these great ideas just need a rest.) however, if a couple folks got their heads together, there is enough time to do one for the 10th running of the Kastner Cup in combination with the 60th anniversary of Triumphs in Competition. this is in 2012. next May, actually. the artwork could be used for the next Kastner Cup Poster, as well as the shirts. we have enough talent and resources in the FOT to do a great job....it just takes the right volunteers who are able to get the job done. i think i know an artist. SOME SHIRTS FOR THE 2012 FOT GATHERING would be a worthy undertaking. -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 9:06 pm Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto Tee Shirts Speaking of Triumph Ghetto... has anyone thought of putting together some nice tee shirts for the group? Steve Coleman and the Storage 105 guys made up 250 really, really nice tee shirts for our small bore event last weekend in color. Some color photos of one of the Daytona Healeys was done along with some time capsule black and white photos of Clive Baker and a couple other Healeys. They are medium grey and turned out really well. When I arrived at ECR last weekend we had some small traffic cones marking of our spaces TRIUMPH GHETTO and the two made me think of this idea. Of course if no one has and there is some interest, I may do some up if they can punch out. I make up some for my store and I think they are 5 colors and a decent shirt with silk screen runs about $8.00 a shirt, cost... Bobby Whitehead Pawn Star of CVAR _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Mon May 23 21:24:26 2011 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 20:24:26 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] VARA Buttonwillow Message-ID: <7105257.1306207466780.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi FOT, I am Joe Siam the Co Chair for VARAs British Extravaganza this 4-5 June 2011. I would like to have all of us with our cars get together for a picture on the pre grid after Saturdays challenge races. I am thinking around 4:15 with should be around 20-30 after the challenge races. That will give you time to get a cool beverage. I will firm up the when and where and let you know on Saturday. Also if someone is interested in doing a little write up on the race weekend let me know. Thanks Joe Siam Chequered Flag Racing .net Joseph P. Siam 9833 Deering Ave unit I Chatsworth Ca 91311 818 350 6222 From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon May 23 21:43:46 2011 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 22:43:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto In-Reply-To: <8CDE7CFFF547025-2C4-6C0C@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> References: <415078.67520.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CDE7CFFF547025-2C4-6C0C@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001601cc19c4$c95d2170$5c176450$@rr.com> I'll keep yall posted. This was race weekend #9 on this build. I shift at 5500 rpm and oil pressure was 80 psi when all hell broke loose. I should have the chance to pull the engine in the next two weeks. I'd like to see the collective experience with crank failures. Specifically how long did they last and root cause if known. I'd like data to help figure out if using a stock crank should I be expecting a failure on a regular frequency. That might convince me to spend a few grand for a stronger crank up front. Stay tuned. BTW... It broke after taking the checker in race 1 Saturday morning. At least I beat all the other VA and VB guys. The timing of the failure was unfortunate because I missed racing Bob Kramer, Bill Collins, and my Dad (+ 2 Morgan guys Duncan and Pierce(SP?)) in the small bore festival race. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:18 PM To: igofaster at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto thanks for taking the time to do a race report... it keeps everyone in touch and information has a chance to flow nicely. knowing the failure modes is good communication, too. How does the RMVR event at Hastings look for the CVAR guys and Triumphs specifically? Some of us have our eye out for another FOT gathering before the end of the year. VIR was great, Leguna will be very cool. Perhaps Hastings' RMVR event in the Heartland will complete the geography. -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 9:00 pm Subject: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto Just an update of the CVAR weekend and Eagles Canyon for the F.o.T. The Southern Region of the Triumph Ghetto was in full force at Eagles Canyon this past weekend. Robert 'Fireball' Kramer's beautiful TR4 was flawless and fast. Bob Blake finally got his TR4 dialed in by Sunday morning. Seems the condenser wasn't grounded out well. Joe Hovey spun a bearing or two in the Spitwad. Greg Blake either broke a crank on his lovely TR3 or the flywheel came loose. Bill Collins finally got his little Spitwad dialed in. I drove our street TR6 up Saturday morning and turned 100,000 miles on FM 730 headed to Azle Texas. I GOPRO'd the event in the thickest fog or humidity I've seen here in a while. I'll try to YOUTUBE it. The GT6 was broke but I still wrenched, crewed, drank beer, camped, and whined with the best of them. Call it an historic weekend as Steve Coleman paid all expenses for Clive Baker and the grandson and great-grandson of Healey (Austin Healey) came over to participate in our small British event on Saturday. The offspring of Healey had never raced and Steve Coleman paid for 3 days track time at VIR for these two to get their novice licenses. Pinnacle group rented ECR Thursday and Clive Baker was reunited with the Daytona coupe Healey he drove at Dayton in the late 60's. Steve Coleman has 2 of the 3 factory Healeys that were manual fuel injected, one beautiful coupe, and one roadster. So for the small bore classic we had 48 cars on the track, Clive Baker, and Healey's grandson in a members Sprite and the great-grandson in the Healey roadster. I was passenger in the XKE V12 roadster pace car and got some really nice shots of the front 20 or so cars. Stay tuned, I'll photo bucket them or something. Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com = _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From ac at camoletti.ch Tue May 24 03:27:58 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 11:27:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] "KASTNER powered by American Explosives "T-SHIRT Message-ID: <003501cc19f4$ded075e0$9c7161a0$@camoletti.ch> Amici ! AS I am a newbie in the FOT list, I may have missed id : was at some point the fantastic T-shirt, "KASTNER. powered by American Explosives" re-made ? You may remember it appears in one of the books and is terrific, looking on the back like this: KASTNER KASTNER KASTNER KASTNER KASTNER powered by American Explosives This is a great one ! Cheers! Alex 1959 TR3A long distance road racing From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue May 24 06:25:05 2011 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 05:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: <794291.81969.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <610645.16130.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bobby: Since Josh and I were the last of the group to leave I picked up the cones for future Southern Region ghetto's. If we can come up with some artwork I will sponser the shirts with you. I also have "a man" that does my shirts for the shop and we can compare prices. I'm going to be building the engine for the Lemons car for TMS. Not sure if you'll be sponsering again, but perhaps we can do team shirts for that too. Everybody loves shirts! -Ed- --- On Mon, 5/23/11, Bobby Whitehead wrote: From: Bobby Whitehead Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto Tee Shirts To: "FoT Triumph" Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 9:06 PM Speaking of Triumph Ghetto... has anyone thought of putting together some nice tee shirts for the group? Steve Coleman and the Storage 105 guys made up 250 really, really nice tee shirts for our small bore event last weekend in color. Some color photos of one of the Daytona Healeys was done along with some time capsule black and white photos of Clive Baker and a couple other Healeys. They are medium grey and turned out really well. When I arrived at ECR last weekend we had some small traffic cones marking of our spaces TRIUMPH GHETTO and the two made me think of this idea. Of course if no one has and there is some interest, I may do some up if they can punch out. I make up some for my store and I think they are 5 colors and a decent shirt with silk screen runs about $8.00 a shirt, cost... Bobby Whitehead Pawn Star of CVAR _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue May 24 07:40:01 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 09:40:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: <8CDE7D2C42EC1E0-2C4-72B5@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> References: <794291.81969.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <8CDE7D2C42EC1E0-2C4-72B5@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I was involved with some FOT shirt projects but I don't think I can take credit for those nice Glen shirts. Scott maybe? Then again, I don't remember what I had for breakfast this morning so it could have been me, ya never know. Marty > > Schumacher helped up with an array of shirts for Watkins Glen coordinated by > the SUKEYS? From sjanzen at me.com Tue May 24 07:47:44 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 09:47:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: References: <794291.81969.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CDE7D2C42EC1E0-2C4-72B5@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: yep, that was me for coordination of design, quantities and sizes, getting everybody's orders, Ted S for getting them made, bringing them to the Glen and processing payments, and Greg Petrolati did the hard part - the artwork. BTW, we used the words "Triumphs at the Glen" on the shirts, which the track complained about. Apparently "the Glen" was trademarked! On May 24, 2011, at 9:40 AM, marty sukey wrote: I was involved with some FOT shirt projects but I don't think I can take credit for those nice Glen shirts. Scott maybe? Then again, I don't remember what I had for breakfast this morning so it could have been me, ya never know. Marty > > Schumacher helped up with an array of shirts for Watkins Glen coordinated by > the SUKEYS? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From chasgee at aol.com Tue May 24 08:50:33 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 11:50:33 -0300 Subject: [Fot] "KASTNER powered by American Explosives "T-SHIRT In-Reply-To: <003501cc19f4$ded075e0$9c7161a0$@camoletti.ch> References: <003501cc19f4$ded075e0$9c7161a0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <4b147cbe-2bd2-4c4b-a604-232a87bf6701@blur> Yes, I re-made the shirts for the 2007 Kastner cup event. All of the entrants received one with their entry. Chuck Gee Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Alexandre Camoletti To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 09:33:30 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] "KASTNER powered by American Explosives "T-SHIRT Amici ! AS I am a newbie in the FOT list, I may have missed id : was at some point the fantastic T-shirt, "KASTNER. powered by American Explosives" re-made ? You may remember it appears in one of the books and is terrific, looking on the back like this: KASTNER KASTNER KASTNER KASTNER KASTNER powered by American Explosives This is a great one ! Cheers! Alex 1959 TR3A long distance road racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 24 08:52:31 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 10:52:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: References: <794291.81969.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><8CDE7D2C42EC1E0-2C4-72B5@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDE83957A222E1-1164-7D55@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> yes! SCOTT JANZEN sorry about that.......it was an 'awesome' effort by all involved. Ken Gano and I both had our 'Glen' shirts on a recent wine tour and Ken didnt even call me. The Glen was an FOT pinnacle in planning. It was HUGE. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: marty sukey Cc: Joe Alexander ; igofaster at att.net; FOT Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 8:47 am Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT Triumph Tee Shirts yep, that was me for coordination of design, quantities and sizes, getting everybody's orders, Ted S for getting them made, bringing them to the Glen and processing payments, and Greg Petrolati did the hard part - the artwork. BTW, we used the words "Triumphs at the Glen" on the shirts, which the track complained about. Apparently "the Glen" was trademarked! On May 24, 2011, at 9:40 AM, marty sukey wrote: I was involved with some FOT shirt projects but I don't think I can take credit for those nice Glen shirts. Scott maybe? Then again, I don't remember what I had for breakfast this morning so it could have been me, ya never know. Marty Schumacher helped up with an array of shirts for Watkins Glen coordinated by the SUKEYS? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com = From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue May 24 09:22:13 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 10:22:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto In-Reply-To: <001601cc19c4$c95d2170$5c176450$@rr.com> References: <415078.67520.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CDE7CFFF547025-2C4-6C0C@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> <001601cc19c4$c95d2170$5c176450$@rr.com> Message-ID: <18C7D48E-65CB-4604-8C3E-24F8F83FF484@gmail.com> I found Trevor Bond's in-car video (shot from his Mini Cooper) which shows a lot of the back end of Bob Kramer's TR4. It gives a decent look at the nature of the track. It starts in turn 11 just before the green. http://tinyurl.com/3wpaoj5 Unfortunately it shuts off too early and doesn't capture the checkered flag. I didn't get to see any of this, of course. I was pretty far back, ending up 25th in the #6 Morgan, having picked up 3 places, with Piers 30th in the #94 Morgan, having picked up one position. I thought we did OK for a couple of rookies. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 red #6 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bobby Whitehead > To: FoT Triumph > Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 9:00 pm > Subject: [Fot] Southern Region Triumph Ghetto > > > Just an update of the CVAR weekend and Eagles Canyon for the F.o.T. The > Southern Region of the Triumph Ghetto was in full force at Eagles Canyon > this > past weekend. Robert 'Fireball' Kramer's beautiful TR4 was flawless and > fast. > Bob Blake finally got his TR4 dialed in by Sunday morning. Seems the > condenser > wasn't grounded out well. Joe Hovey spun a bearing or two in the Spitwad. > Greg > Blake either broke a crank on his lovely TR3 or the flywheel came loose. > Bill > Collins finally got his little Spitwad dialed in. I drove our street TR6 up > Saturday morning and turned 100,000 miles on FM 730 headed to Azle Texas. I > GOPRO'd the event in the thickest fog or humidity I've seen here in a while. > I'll try to YOUTUBE it. The GT6 was broke but I still wrenched, crewed, > drank > beer, camped, and whined with the best of them. > Call it an historic weekend as Steve Coleman paid all expenses for Clive > Baker > and the grandson and great-grandson of Healey (Austin Healey) came over to > participate in our small British event on Saturday. The offspring of Healey > had > never raced and Steve Coleman paid for 3 days track time at VIR for these > two > to > > get their novice licenses. Pinnacle group rented ECR Thursday and Clive > Baker > was reunited with the Daytona coupe Healey he drove at Dayton in the late > 60's. > Steve Coleman has 2 of the 3 factory Healeys that were manual fuel injected, > one > > beautiful coupe, and one roadster. > > So for the small bore classic we had 48 cars on the track, Clive Baker, and > Healey's grandson in a members Sprite and the great-grandson in the Healey > roadster. I was passenger in the XKE V12 roadster pace car and got some > really > nice shots of the front 20 or so cars. Stay tuned, I'll photo bucket them or > something. > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > = > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From cofrog at q.com Tue May 24 11:06:38 2011 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers Message-ID: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Any opinions on the legality of hood louvers on a TR4?B Would the legality depend on the GCR you are using?B What about configuring the hood so that when it's closed it has an opening between it and the scuttle to let air escape instead of louvers? Thanks, DAn From tr4.tony at virgin.net Tue May 24 11:34:31 2011 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 18:34:31 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers In-Reply-To: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <1547FE1A-2B2C-47F9-AB3D-72EE929FA6FB@virgin.net> Hi I've found that the hot spots in the TR4 are quite peculiar and the solution isn't entirely obvious when you get down to it. In the uk and for msa / fia sanctioned events you may not get away with louvres, or indeed even a gap at the rear of the bonnet as this needs to be sealed as oe against risk of fire (!) Silhouette modifications such as louvres are forbidden as i understand (as are oil cooler vents in the lower valance as per TR5 and 250) and whats more they are not really very effective as the heat spots on the TR4 are at the back of the engine and low down under the exhaust manifolds, not on the top of the engine where louvres might pull air from. Having said that I've run my bonnet open at the rear by about an inch, resting up on the pins using wire u brackets engaging through extra holes in the pins (and haven't been told off. (yet)) This does help as the gap is long enough to pull enough air and create a vacuum at the back of the engine bay which sucks air from inside and by the hot bits. A better solution as ive found on Beastie is to run the works style wing vents and duct air from the BOTTOM of the engine bay up to them on either side ..... That way you get air moving not eddying round the exhaust manifold (particularly) Ducting the radiator better helps too and running longer duct sides down to the chassis rails with upswept tubes connected in (plus brake ducting if you can) to allow air up from the front of the car works well too. The above does NOT work with a full length sumpguard ..... So for rallying more thought is needed. It does if you blank the vents over and make the air flow out past the gearbox .... Great in the winter, less good in the summer ..... And bad for the glue on the soles of your pretty boots and starts to cause all sorts of gearbox overheating issues, which are another story and another series of mods to deal with. Email me I you want pictures ..... It's all solvable. As the Man says, never be beaten by equipment ..... Regards Tony Sent from My iPhone On 24 May 2011, at 18:06, cofrog at q.com wrote: > Any opinions on the legality of hood louvers on a TR4?B Would the legality > depend on the GCR you are using?B What about configuring the hood so that > when it's closed it has an opening between it and the scuttle to let air > escape instead of louvers? > > > > Thanks, > > > > DAn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 24 11:43:13 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:43:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers In-Reply-To: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <8CDE851308A9E85-1E20-26B5F@webmail-stg-d14.sysops.aol.com> sometimes corner workers see the hood gap and think it is adrift. we hole sawed the firewall and replaced the scuttle vent door with a TR6 vent. it is a closed chamber behind the firewall and theoretically additional air from the engine compartment departs through the vent. we also ran a cold air duct from the front of the car and terminated the duct in front of the carbs. probably does little, but it is all cheap and easy to do. -----Original Message----- From: cofrog at q.com To: triumph fot Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 12:06 pm Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers Any opinions on the legality of hood louvers on a TR4?B Would the legality depend on the GCR you are using?B What about configuring the hood so that when it's closed it has an opening between it and the scuttle to let air escape instead of louvers? Thanks, DAn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue May 24 11:46:44 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 12:46:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers In-Reply-To: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: To the best of my knowledge they were never allowed under a vintage GCR. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of cofrog at q.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:07 PM To: triumph fot Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers Any opinions on the legality of hood louvers on a TR4?B Would the legality depend on the GCR you are using?B What about configuring the hood so that when it's closed it has an opening between it and the scuttle to let air escape instead of louvers? Thanks, DAn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 24 11:54:13 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:54:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination & Question for a friend In-Reply-To: <000401cc1a2f$42abeb50$c803c1f0$@rr.com> References: <000401cc1a2f$42abeb50$c803c1f0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CDE852B9DA232D-1E20-26D00@webmail-stg-d14.sysops.aol.com> affirmed here....dont know about aluminum flywheels no reports of problems on steel ones, fortunately. -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: 'William Rampe' ; 'Henry Frye' ; 'Donn Sopp' ; 'Don Marshall' ; 'Brad Kahler' ; spitfiresuz at 141.com; 'Bruce Stutzman' ; 'Jeff Snook' ; 'Joe Alexander' Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 11:25 am Subject: Nomination & Question for a friend This is twofold; FOT NOMINATION: First I would like to present Bill Rampe from the Rochester, NY area for membership to the great unwashed and get him added to the list. Bill races a Spitfire and has recently upgraded to an FE engine from a FC (thatbs Spitfire talk for more power!). Bill is good people and can always be seen with a grin from ear to ear after a good ride. Many of us have spent time with him at Mosport; Watkins Glen and Summit Point. So, if I can get a second on this we can include him in our ranks and prattle. An honor to call him friend! -------- Second is a question I pose on Billbs behalf. He had a flywheel failure at The Jefferson 500 where it sounds as though the center of the aluminum flywheel broke apart. He has a new bFidenzab aluminum flywheel on the shelf and is wondering if anyone has any experience with them before he uses it on his rebuild. I have used Tiltons in the past and also uprated the attachment to eight socket head cap screws. Any input out there from those racing. Webre not talking street car stuff here please. Huge differences between a 4000rpm street ride and an 8000rpm race engine! Thanks from Bill (wmrampe at yahoo.com) Russ Moore Spitfire #49 = From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Tue May 24 12:54:27 2011 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 14:54:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination & Question for a friend Message-ID: <002c01cc1a44$020a9cd0$061fd670$@rr.com> (resent due to prior error message) This is twofold; FOT NOMINATION: First I would like to present Bill Rampe from the Rochester, NY area for membership to the great unwashed and get him added to the list. Bill races a Spitfire and has recently upgraded to an FE engine from a FC (that's Spitfire talk for more power!). Bill is good people and can always be seen with a grin from ear to ear after a good ride. Many of us have spent time with him at Mosport; Watkins Glen and Summit Point. So, if I can get a second on this we can include him in our ranks and prattle. An honor to call him friend! -------- Second is a question I pose on Bill's behalf. He had a flywheel failure at The Jefferson 500 where it sounds as though the center of the aluminum flywheel broke apart. He has a new "Fidenza" aluminum flywheel on the shelf and is wondering if anyone has any experience with them before he uses it on his rebuild. I have used Tiltons in the past and also uprated the attachment to eight socket head cap screws. Any input out there from those racing. We're not talking street car stuff here please. Huge differences between a 4000rpm street ride and an 8000rpm race engine! Thanks from Bill (wmrampe at yahoo.com) Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From sgroh1 at comcast.net Tue May 24 13:41:06 2011 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:41:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination & Question for a friend In-Reply-To: <002c01cc1a44$020a9cd0$061fd670$@rr.com> References: <002c01cc1a44$020a9cd0$061fd670$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4ADB6824-15F7-47CE-88FE-3AF27F5FEB26@comcast.net> I'd be honored to second this nomination! Bill is a great guy, helpful in the pits, eager to learn and has the right attitude! Russ got it right! Steve Groh Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2011, at 12:54 PM, "Spitfire Racing" wrote: > (resent due to prior error message) > > > > This is twofold; > > FOT NOMINATION: > > First I would like to present Bill Rampe from the Rochester, NY area > for > membership to the great unwashed and get him added to the list. Bill > races a > Spitfire and has recently upgraded to an FE engine from a FC (that's > Spitfire talk for more power!). Bill is good people and can always > be seen > with a grin from ear to ear after a good ride. Many of us have > spent time > with him at Mosport; Watkins Glen and Summit Point. > > So, if I can get a second on this we can include him in our ranks and > prattle. An honor to call him friend! > > -------- > > Second is a question I pose on Bill's behalf. He had a flywheel > failure at > The Jefferson 500 where it sounds as though the center of the aluminum > flywheel broke apart. He has a new "Fidenza" aluminum flywheel on > the shelf > and is wondering if anyone has any experience with them before he > uses it on > his rebuild. I have used Tiltons in the past and also uprated the > attachment > to eight socket head cap screws. Any input out there from those > racing. > We're not talking street car stuff here please. Huge differences > between a > 4000rpm street ride and an 8000rpm race engine! > > > > Thanks from Bill (wmrampe at yahoo.com) > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1 at comcast.net From sgroh1 at comcast.net Tue May 24 13:42:48 2011 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:42:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Nomination & Question for a friend References: <4ADB6824-15F7-47CE-88FE-3AF27F5FEB26@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6FD54B88-B5B5-427D-91F5-7214DCDE8121@comcast.net> Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Steven Groh > Date: May 24, 2011 1:41:06 PM MDT > To: Spitfire Racing > Cc: "" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination & Question for a friend > > I'd be honored to second this nomination! Bill is a great guy, > helpful in the pits, eager to learn and has the right attitude! > Russ got it right! > > Steve Groh > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 24, 2011, at 12:54 PM, "Spitfire Racing" > wrote: > >> (resent due to prior error message) >> >> >> >> This is twofold; >> >> FOT NOMINATION: >> >> First I would like to present Bill Rampe from the Rochester, NY >> area for >> membership to the great unwashed and get him added to the list. >> Bill races a >> Spitfire and has recently upgraded to an FE engine from a FC (that's >> Spitfire talk for more power!). Bill is good people and can always >> be seen >> with a grin from ear to ear after a good ride. Many of us have >> spent time >> with him at Mosport; Watkins Glen and Summit Point. >> >> So, if I can get a second on this we can include him in our ranks and >> prattle. An honor to call him friend! >> >> -------- >> >> Second is a question I pose on Bill's behalf. He had a flywheel >> failure at >> The Jefferson 500 where it sounds as though the center of the >> aluminum >> flywheel broke apart. He has a new "Fidenza" aluminum flywheel on >> the shelf >> and is wondering if anyone has any experience with them before he >> uses it on >> his rebuild. I have used Tiltons in the past and also uprated the >> attachment >> to eight socket head cap screws. Any input out there from those >> racing. >> We're not talking street car stuff here please. Huge differences >> between a >> 4000rpm street ride and an 8000rpm race engine! >> >> >> >> Thanks from Bill (wmrampe at yahoo.com) >> >> >> >> Russ Moore >> >> Spitfire #49 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1 at comcast.net From kaskas at cox.net Tue May 24 18:19:13 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 00:19:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers In-Reply-To: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <1770756236.507601.1306256798880.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: At least until the end of 1972 this type hood modification was not allowed. i doubt if allowed later also.Too bad, as they do add a nice look ot the car and are very limited in improving the performance. BUT, shimming up the hinges at the rear of the hood worked pretty well. Also, having a strap across the hood at the back shows the corner workers that the hood is not loose and apt to fly off. Just suggestions, or maybe observations.. > Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:06:38 -0400 > From: cofrog at q.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Hood Louvers > > Any opinions on the legality of hood louvers on a TR4?B Would the legality > depend on the GCR you are using?B What about configuring the hood so that > when it's closed it has an opening between it and the scuttle to let air > escape instead of louvers? > > > > Thanks, > > > > DAn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 24 19:59:40 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 18:59:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] kastner cup Message-ID: I'd like to enter the Kastner Cup...Hope it's not too late...Please clue me in on the stuff... thanks Racer Bud..Spitfire # 21 From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon May 23 20:22:48 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 21:22:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Message-ID: The Morgan ran very well during the Marvelous May races at Eagles Canyon. Well, for the most part, at any rate... Those of you that wrench TR engines, please read and comment. Occasionally, when applying throttle, the TR4 engine seemed to run on two cylinders. It seemed to happen only after I had used more engine braking than usual, such as when coming up behind a slower car when approaching a turn, yet arriving too late to attempt a pass, initially never occurring when I was running in the clear. Changing up or down a gear would not immediately fix it. Pushing in the clutch and revving the engine up and down the rpm range did not immediately fix it. If I held steady throttle and just waited about 7-8 very long seconds (while waving following cars around me), it would eventually clear. I did not encounter a situation on the track where I was willing to just try letting it idle to see if that would resolve it, and it always cleared up before I left the track. The condition was either fully present or fully absent. I first thought that perhaps a plug change would fix it. The car has a Pertronix distributor and all the parts visually appear to be in good condition. Given that the engine runs strong and that no changes have been made since it was tuned on a dynamometer I was surprised to find the plugs somewhat dark. The car felt stronger with new plugs but the condition would still occur with about the same frequency. I tried avoiding letting the engine overrun and downshifted at the last second to draw less fuel into the cylinders, and I also tried a bit of left foot braking at the end of short straights, maintaining a bit of throttle while in gear. That worked pretty well at first and the condition happened only once per race after that until the final race on Sunday. Given all that I'd witnessed far, I reasoned that it was most likely fuel system-related. The carb dashpots were empty of oil (this didn't seem unreasonable, having recently read Kas' tuning books) and we topped them off with 20 weight oil. I couldn't remember when the K&N air filters had last been cleaned so we removed the air cleaners. No other changes were made to tuning. No dice. During the last race I couldn't string more than two corners together without a return of the condition, so I left the race rather than be a mobile chicane. I checked to see that the carb slides would drop easily on their own and those seemed just fine. What I witnessed seemed most consistently to follow engine braking. During the last race it might happen if I lifted throttle briefly, say in the middle of a twin-apex turn. I don't associate these conditions with ignition problems since it ran strongly otherwise. I considered a loose ignition wire shifting under deceleration as a possible cause, but this only seemed to happen after allowing the engine to overrun and did not happen after hard braking only. One potential cause for a carb change is that I removed the carbs to add an intake manifold brace, attempting to avoid changing any adjustments whatsoever. However, the possibility that I might have inadvertently tweaked the carb synchronization doesn't satisfactorily explain this condition for me. It did not correlate to ambient temperature and the engine never ran hot. I am wondering if a coil can give good enough spark to run the engine cleanly and strongly when the throttle is wide open yet allow the plugs to load up at smaller throttle settings. The car has a Bosch blue coil -- and... hmm! It's still mounted on the side of the engine, which I realize can create conditions for coil failure. My plan of attack is to first look for debris in the fuel system, however I don't expect to find anything, because if running it at full throttle in high gear didn't precipitate the condition, blockage or restriction would seem unlikely. If it relates to fuel sloshing forward under deceleration, I reason that heavy braking would likely have caused the same situation. If I find nothing there, my second plan is to check out the ignition system thoroughly before attempting to make any changes to the carbs. The engine ran without fault in February with the exact same carb settings. Thoughts? Suggestions? Duncan Charlton From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net Tue May 17 16:35:21 2011 From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (Chip Collingwood) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 18:35:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] unsubscribe Message-ID: <380-220115217223521140@earthlink.net> What is the procedure to unsubscribe from the FOT...thanks From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 17 10:36:26 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 12:36:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <661284962EDD40DEA2B29B986B372CE9@gdhs.local> Have not had a moments problem with mine.....their mount ......on roll bar......use the open back for better sound given the speed of our cars, there is not a wind noise problem...... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:51 AM To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... I'm not using their mount, but not tested it under race conditions. http://124racer.com/gallery/11/0505_GoPro_960/slides/IMG_2022.html http://124racer.com/gallery/11/0509_Accusump/slides/IMG_2045.html I used the mount last year. Manfrotto Super clamp with a quick release on a Sony POV camera. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVI3VLXH9TA&feature=player_embedded So the GoPro will be interesting. What back have you been running with? I did a test and did not like the full back audio. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYaxtxok6ak&feature=player_embedded A. On 17 May 2011 10:43, wrote: > I had the same trouble with mine, more than once. It shut down with > two laps > to go at the > > K-Cup race last year. It annoyed me to the point I bought a chase cam. > > > > > > jim g > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Spitfire Racing" > To: "MORDY DUNST" , fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:48:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... > > Mordy, > I have just one of the Go-Pro cameras and have problems with it > shutting down during a session. I emailed the company and they told me > it was > vibration(???) I am using all their mountings including their rollbar mount. > Had the same problem at VIR and also at Summit Point. I'll be back in > touch with them shortly to see what their comment is. The picture and > sound is exceptional, I just wish I could get a full session to > record. I'm recording > at 720 resolution (#2) and have a 32gig Kingston SD card in it. I'm > nowhere close to filling the card and in fact it stopped after > recording only a few meg worth at Summit Point last weekend. > Frustrating. I'll keep you in the loop. > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of MORDY DUNST > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:43 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] REV IT UP! Laguna Seca.... > > HMSA will email to each entrant (about 15 cars entered so far). prelim > notification. B Cris tells me that this will happen tonight. B Other > accompanying documentation later. > > B This is is such a cool track. B Just love the downhill after the Corkscrew. > > My engine and gearbox still out of the car.. but, hope to get them in > this weekend.... B I purchased two Go pro cameras and will try to get > them synched for some great vids in 1080p and 3d! > > M > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > www.Headgasket.com > 626.358.1616 ph1 > 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > > Triple R Munitions, Inc. > Class 6 B Certified F.F.L. > 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > GMT-8 Pacific > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From igofaster at att.net Tue May 24 21:34:58 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 20:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 turns 100,000 Message-ID: <502322.81746.qm@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I posted a Youtube video. I'm 1970GT6Racer. The video is 100kTR6. Bobby Whitehead ... From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Tue May 24 22:14:27 2011 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 21:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Non triumph - 2011 Indy 500 quiz Message-ID: <597478.16926.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I know it is off topic but this is the 100th anniversary of the Indy 500. Autoweek posted my quiz on their web site. I have been doing the quiz for about 20 years now and will attend my 32nd consecutive 500 this Sunday. Enjoy the quiz. http://www.autoweek.com/article/20110524/INDY100/110529906 Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 24 22:32:44 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 23:32:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] kastner cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110525043258.415A1187891@autox.team.net> Entry form is at the bottom of this web page: http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm Deadline was May 23, but I'll bet you could sweet talk an additional entry still. Tony Drews At 08:59 PM 5/24/2011, RACER BUD wrote: >I'd like to enter the Kastner Cup...Hope it's not too late...Please clue me in >on the stuff... >thanks >Racer Bud..Spitfire # 21 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed May 25 06:40:12 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 07:40:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <4ddc7d09.c158340a.3802.2c32SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <4ddc7d09.c158340a.3802.2c32SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Nine replies so far -- thanks, guys! There are a few things that I have not tried yet in there and I'll report back on what I find. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 25 06:46:25 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:46:25 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com> It seems to me a classic SU dirt problem. Debris is somewhere in float chamber and blocking from time to time the needle jet. Cheers Chris From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed May 25 07:19:48 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 09:19:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise Message-ID: While we are in the trouble shooting mode... I am helping a buddy with his TR6. Been fighting a clutch release issue. I THINK we might have resolved that, what a long strange trip that ended up being. While driving it with the trans cover off I discovered that his transmission howls like mad in fourth gear. Ok, I figure it is tired and needs a going over. I have the transmission from my TR6 sitting there so I swap it out thinking he can just use mine until he can get his rebuilt since mine is going to sit for a while yet. Put mine in and sure enough now mine howls in fourth gear. What the heck? Mine was quite as could be before I stopped driving the car. Is there something external to the transmission that would cause noise in just fourth gear? Marty From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed May 25 08:31:26 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:31:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] decal Message-ID: Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit Point Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will require a new coat of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal to replace the one that will be lost? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 25 08:40:00 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 16:40:00 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002301cc1ae9$a2ec9ea0$e8c5dbe0$@com> Maybe rear axle? Cheers Chris From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed May 25 09:12:21 2011 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 11:12:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? Message-ID: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> Mr. Hasty's need for a decal raises a point. Thanks John. It looks like we need a regalia coordinator.... Badges Decals Shirts Posters Since there is no real organization this isnt easily done. Any suggestions? Volunteers? There are some other things that need to be tightened up a bit in this non-organization. Change is not easy, but we can handle it. Joe A > Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit Point > Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will require a new > coat > of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal to replace the one that > will be lost? > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 25 09:19:06 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:19:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If the noise is only in fourth gear and it happened with two different trannies, and there was a clutch release issue I'd look closely at the alignment of the input shaft and the tranny case mount surface to the back of the engine. A misalignment there causes clutch problems and could put undue pressure on the input shaft. Does he have the tranny case locating dowels in place? Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:20 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise While we are in the trouble shooting mode... I am helping a buddy with his TR6. Been fighting a clutch release issue. I THINK we might have resolved that, what a long strange trip that ended up being. While driving it with the trans cover off I discovered that his transmission howls like mad in fourth gear. Ok, I figure it is tired and needs a going over. I have the transmission from my TR6 sitting there so I swap it out thinking he can just use mine until he can get his rebuilt since mine is going to sit for a while yet. Put mine in and sure enough now mine howls in fourth gear. What the heck? Mine was quite as could be before I stopped driving the car. Is there something external to the transmission that would cause noise in just fourth gear? Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed May 25 09:39:07 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 08:39:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0e4801cc1af1$e2b00a10$0301a8c0@randall> > Does he have the tranny case > locating dowels in place? Also the dowels that locate the rear plate to the engine block. -- Randall From brad.kahler at 141.com Wed May 25 09:42:51 2011 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 11:42:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? In-Reply-To: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> Message-ID: I nominate Joe A... :) On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > Mr. Hasty's need for a decal raises a point. Thanks John. > > It looks like we need a regalia coordinator.... > > Badges > Decals > Shirts > Posters > > Since there is no real organization this isnt easily done. > > Any suggestions? Volunteers? > > There are some other things that need to be tightened up a bit in this > non-organization. > > Change is not easy, but we can handle it. > > Joe A > > > > > > > > Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit Point > > Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will require a new > > coat > > of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal to replace the one that > > will be lost? > > > > John H. Hasty > > Attorney At Law > > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > > 719 East Boulevard > > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > > www.gdhs.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com From ac at camoletti.ch Wed May 25 10:08:36 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 18:08:36 +0200 Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? In-Reply-To: References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> Message-ID: <008001cc1af6$01318000$03948000$@camoletti.ch> Seconded! -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Brad Kahler Envoyi : mercredi 25 mai 2011 17:43 @ : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? I nominate Joe A... :) On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > Mr. Hasty's need for a decal raises a point. Thanks John. > > It looks like we need a regalia coordinator.... > > Badges > Decals > Shirts > Posters > > Since there is no real organization this isnt easily done. > > Any suggestions? Volunteers? > > There are some other things that need to be tightened up a bit in this > non-organization. > > Change is not easy, but we can handle it. > > Joe A > > > > > > > > Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit > > Point Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will > > require a new coat of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal > > to replace the one that will be lost? > > > > John H. Hasty > > Attorney At Law > > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > > 719 East Boulevard > > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > > www.gdhs.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed May 25 10:13:53 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 12:13:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? In-Reply-To: References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> Message-ID: <714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com> I second that! I was wondering about the same thing. I am willing to help out. Chris On May 25, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > I nominate Joe A... :) > > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > >> Mr. Hasty's need for a decal raises a point. Thanks John. >> >> It looks like we need a regalia coordinator.... >> >> Badges >> Decals >> Shirts >> Posters >> >> Since there is no real organization this isnt easily done. >> >> Any suggestions? Volunteers? >> >> There are some other things that need to be tightened up a bit in this >> non-organization. >> >> Change is not easy, but we can handle it. >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit Point >>> Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will require a new >>> coat >>> of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal to replace the one that >>> will be lost? >>> >>> John H. Hasty >>> Attorney At Law >>> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >>> 719 East Boulevard >>> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >>> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >>> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >>> E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com >>> www.gdhs.com >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From budscars at comcast.net Wed May 25 10:23:20 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 09:23:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Message-ID: <592654CF9246417F87427048BBDA6677@Bud> Thanks for all of the help Gang..I rcvd. an email from Chris..that there's no problem with sending my entry for KC in today...I'm looking forward to meeting everyone!.. RB From herald948 at aol.com Wed May 25 10:30:50 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 12:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise In-Reply-To: <0e4801cc1af1$e2b00a10$0301a8c0@randall> References: <0e4801cc1af1$e2b00a10$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <8CDE9103E41C05B-1164-27030@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> ...or a bent rear engine plate? I've heard tales of bent plates causing various problems. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Randall > Does he have the tranny case > locating dowels in place? Also the dowels that locate the rear plate to the engine block. From budscars at comcast.net Wed May 25 10:48:08 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 09:48:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise References: <0e4801cc1af1$e2b00a10$0301a8c0@randall> <8CDE9103E41C05B-1164-27030@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I have had a bent backing/engine plate...If someone has tried to tighten it down with the dowels not lined up, it may be bent...If it is bent, it will feel more difficult to install the tranny.(difficult to tighten the bolts)...If you find it is bent, a garage floor and a sledge hammer work fine to fix it. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Mace" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission noise > ...or a bent rear engine plate? I've heard tales of bent plates causing > various problems. > > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall > > >> Does he have the tranny case >> locating dowels in place? > > Also the dowels that locate the rear plate to the engine block. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 25 10:53:36 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 12:53:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? In-Reply-To: <714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com> References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> <714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> I keep hearing LYNDON JOHNSON's famous pronouncement echoing in my brain. A volunteer would be a very nice thing to have......especially with the 60th anniversary coming up and the 10th running of The Kastner Cup. We could look very good at this event next May. Work could be spread out among several people. I spend a lot of time on the FOT and necessarily trying to reduce my contact time. Thanks anyway Brad.... Joe A. -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: Brad Kahler Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 11:13 am Subject: Re: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? I second that! I was wondering about the same thing. I am willing to help out. Chris On May 25, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > I nominate Joe A... :) > > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > >> Mr. Hasty's need for a decal raises a point. Thanks John. >> >> It looks like we need a regalia coordinator.... >> >> Badges >> Decals >> Shirts >> Posters >> >> Since there is no real organization this isnt easily done. >> >> Any suggestions? Volunteers? >> >> There are some other things that need to be tightened up a bit in this >> non-organization. >> >> Change is not easy, but we can handle it. >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit Point >>> Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will require a new >>> coat >>> of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal to replace the one that >>> will be lost? >>> >>> John H. Hasty >>> Attorney At Law >>> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >>> 719 East Boulevard >>> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >>> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >>> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >>> E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com >>> www.gdhs.com >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From budscars at comcast.net Wed May 25 10:57:21 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 09:57:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise References: <0e4801cc1af1$e2b00a10$0301a8c0@randall><8CDE9103E41C05B-1164-27030@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3F0A9CE12ACA4DB4ACF05F48F78CA529@Bud> What I'm getting at is..The dowels may be lined up now, but the plate already bent.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: ; "Andrew Mace" Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission noise >I have had a bent backing/engine plate...If someone has tried to tighten it >down with the dowels not lined up, it may be bent...If it is bent, it will >feel more difficult to install the tranny.(difficult to tighten the >bolts)...If you find it is bent, a garage floor and a sledge hammer work >fine to fix it. > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Mace" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission noise > > >> ...or a bent rear engine plate? I've heard tales of bent plates causing >> various problems. >> >> >> >> --Andy Mace >> >> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? >> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph >> Herald engine with wings. >> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) >> >> Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph >> Register: http://www.vtr.org >> >> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph >> Herald >> Database: http://triumph-herald.us >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Randall >> >> >>> Does he have the tranny case >>> locating dowels in place? >> >> Also the dowels that locate the rear plate to the engine block. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 25 10:57:39 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 12:57:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise In-Reply-To: References: <0e4801cc1af1$e2b00a10$0301a8c0@randall><8CDE9103E41C05B-1164-27030@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDE913FD7CFD8C-2160-40111@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> if it is bent, i have one oem tr6 plate on the shelf or alloy plates at discount prices to FOT -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD To: fot at autox.team.net; Andrew Mace Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 11:48 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission noise I have had a bent backing/engine plate...If someone has tried to tighten it down with the dowels not lined up, it may be bent...If it is bent, it will feel more difficult to install the tranny.(difficult to tighten the bolts)...If you find it is bent, a garage floor and a sledge hammer work fine to fix it. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Mace" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission noise > ...or a bent rear engine plate? I've heard tales of bent plates causing > various problems. > > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall > > >> Does he have the tranny case >> locating dowels in place? > > Also the dowels that locate the rear plate to the engine block. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From billb at bnj.com Wed May 25 11:04:55 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:04:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? In-Reply-To: <8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> <714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com> <8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <19701E7C-3F05-4006-8344-096714C8A4A6@bnj.com> The problem with any volunteer group. Its always the same folks doing the work until they get burned out. And no, that doesn't mean I'm volunteering. On May 25, 2011, at 9:53 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > I keep hearing LYNDON JOHNSON's famous pronouncement echoing in my brain. > > A volunteer would be a very nice thing to have......especially with the 60th > anniversary coming up and the 10th running of The Kastner Cup. We could look > very good at this event next May. Work could be spread out among several > people. > > I spend a lot of time on the FOT and necessarily trying to reduce my contact > time. > > Thanks anyway Brad.... > > Joe A. From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 25 11:07:05 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 13:07:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LEGUNA SECA PRODUCT NEEDS? Commercial Message Message-ID: <8CDE9154EFDDFB5-2160-4053E@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> I am driving into Laguna Seca and bringing a few things.... KASTNER'S NEWEST BOOK for one thing. A limited quantity. If someone wants something or wants to look at anything, please let me know. Discounts will abound to the FOT at this event. Look at new website the-vintage-racer.com I will also have TONY DREWS new hubs and Chris Marx new rear seal to show, if anyone is interested. Likely just one piece of each. I leave this Saturday. Joe A From billb at bnj.com Wed May 25 11:14:40 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:14:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bummed In-Reply-To: <8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> <714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com> <8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I don't recall if I mentioned this, but Peyote and I WON'T be at Laguna. I had knee surgery last week and the doc says no. I was tempted to ignore him, consulted with a really good physical therapist, and he said absolutely not. I had a meniscus tear repaired and both say I'm six weeks away from being able to tolerate any potential shearing movement. If I open the repair it probably won't be able to be repaired as well as the first time because it will be tattered. Sucks, but at least the prognosis is good--after healing I should be quite a few years away from anything further. From billb at bnj.com Wed May 25 11:16:20 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:16:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? In-Reply-To: <8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> <714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com> <8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: The problem with any volunteer group. Its always the same folks doing the work until they get burned out. And no, I'm not volunteering. On May 25, 2011, at 9:53 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > I keep hearing LYNDON JOHNSON's famous pronouncement echoing in my brain. > > A volunteer would be a very nice thing to have......especially with the 60th > anniversary coming up and the 10th running of The Kastner Cup. We could look > very good at this event next May. Work could be spread out among several > people. > > I spend a lot of time on the FOT and necessarily trying to reduce my contact > time. > > Thanks anyway Brad.... > > Joe A. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed May 25 11:44:59 2011 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:44:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] LEGUNA SECA PRODUCT NEEDS? Commercial Message In-Reply-To: <8CDE9154EFDDFB5-2160-4053E@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDE9154EFDDFB5-2160-4053E@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: How about bringing A RACE CAR!??! On May 25, 2011, at 10:07 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > I am driving into Laguna Seca and bringing a few things.... > > KASTNER'S NEWEST BOOK for one thing. A limited quantity. > > If someone wants something or wants to look at anything, please let me know. > > Discounts will abound to the FOT at this event. > > Look at new website the-vintage-racer.com > > I will also have TONY DREWS new hubs and Chris Marx new rear seal to show, if > anyone is interested. > > Likely just one piece of each. I leave this Saturday. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed May 25 12:12:14 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:12:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hmmmm. Pretty sure, ok I'm positive there were no dowel pins in there. I thinking I should be able to put the missing two in place by just loosening things up and not pulling the tranny out for the what is it, the fourth time? Anyhow, we will give that a try tomorrow after work as he is planning on heading out of town with it on Friday. Thanks for the suggestion. Marty > From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com > To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:19:06 -0500 > Subject: RE: [Fot] Transmission noise > > If the noise is only in fourth gear and it happened with two different trannies, and there was a clutch release issue I'd look closely at the alignment of the input shaft and the tranny case mount surface to the back of the engine. A misalignment there causes clutch problems and could put undue pressure on the input shaft. Does he have the tranny case locating dowels in place? > > Bob Kramer > Texas Rental Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-687-7422 Office > 512-657-8526 Cell > > > Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:20 AM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Transmission noise > > While we are in the trouble shooting mode... I am helping a buddy with his > TR6. Been fighting a clutch release issue. I THINK we might have resolved > that, what a long strange trip that ended up being. While driving it with the > trans cover off I discovered that his transmission howls like mad in fourth > gear. Ok, I figure it is tired and needs a going over. I have the > transmission from my TR6 sitting there so I swap it out thinking he can just > use mine until he can get his rebuilt since mine is going to sit for a while > yet. Put mine in and sure enough now mine howls in fourth gear. What the > heck? Mine was quite as could be before I stopped driving the car. Is there > something external to the transmission that would cause noise in just fourth > gear? > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From spitlist at cox.net Wed May 25 12:37:24 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 11:37:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bummed In-Reply-To: References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com><714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com><8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Come on Bill, I am sure that you will find several volunteers to drive for you! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:15 AM To: Joe Alexander; fot of Subject: [Fot] Bummed I don't recall if I mentioned this, but Peyote and I WON'T be at Laguna. I had knee surgery last week and the doc says no. I was tempted to ignore him, consulted with a really good physical therapist, and he said absolutely not. I had a meniscus tear repaired and both say I'm six weeks away from being able to tolerate any potential shearing movement. If I open the repair it probably won't be able to be repaired as well as the first time because it will be tattered. Sucks, but at least the prognosis is good--after healing I should be quite a few years away from anything further. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 25 12:58:31 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:58:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LEGUNA SECA PRODUCT NEEDS? Commercial Message In-Reply-To: References: <8CDE9154EFDDFB5-2160-4053E@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDE924E021100D-1B2C-3D190@webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com> the original plan was to bring TWO race cars..... I would have dipped into my 401k for this one....just didnt work out. Will have sons and more there....family event which is good. Looking forward to it. -----Original Message----- From: Steven Belfer To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 12:44 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] LEGUNA SECA PRODUCT NEEDS? Commercial Message How about bringing A RACE CAR!??! On May 25, 2011, at 10:07 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > I am driving into Laguna Seca and bringing a few things.... > > KASTNER'S NEWEST BOOK for one thing. A limited quantity. > > If someone wants something or wants to look at anything, please let me know. > > Discounts will abound to the FOT at this event. > > Look at new website the-vintage-racer.com > > I will also have TONY DREWS new hubs and Chris Marx new rear seal to show, if > anyone is interested. > > Likely just one piece of each. I leave this Saturday. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From horizonracing at msn.com Wed May 25 13:00:58 2011 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 12:00:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bummed In-Reply-To: References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com><714A97E5-CE21-438A-AF5F-6DE7D7C783C0@aol.com><8CDE9136C976E0D-2160-3FF9B@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com>, , Message-ID: Peytoe is quick too. Quailf. on pole after winter refresh. > From: spitlist at cox.net > To: billb at bnj.com; n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 11:37:24 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Bummed > > Come on Bill, I am sure that you will find several volunteers to drive for > you! > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:15 AM > To: Joe Alexander; fot of > Subject: [Fot] Bummed > > I don't recall if I mentioned this, but Peyote and I WON'T be at Laguna. I > had > knee surgery last week and the doc says no. I was tempted to ignore him, > consulted with a really good physical therapist, and he said absolutely not. > I > had a meniscus tear repaired and both say I'm six weeks away from being able > to tolerate any potential shearing movement. If I open the repair it > probably > won't be able to be repaired as well as the first time because it will be > tattered. > > Sucks, but at least the prognosis is good--after healing I should be quite a > few years away from anything further. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed May 25 16:24:29 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 17:24:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> I'm getting some well-thought out suggestions. Thanks to Michael P, Bob K, Tim M, Jim G, Tony (TR4 Tony), Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, and Bill B. My thoughts that it was fuel related seem to be supported by the fact that most of you mentioned fuel issues. So far: 1. Bowl vents clear? Hmm -- we do have mud dauber wasps around here! 2. Fuel foaming due to vibration? (X2) Possible, and perhaps the new manifold brace could add more vibration. 3. Sticky float or float needles? 4. Leaky floats? 5. Resonance due to new brace causing jets to sink down? (They're supported by a spring, but it makes sense that resonance could cause the spring to lose tension temporarily, the way a spring governor on a lawnmower engine does) 6. Needle(s) not properly seated in piston(s)? 7. Advance profile poor or advance mechanism sticking? 8. Loose engine ground cable? 9. Improper jetting for driving style? (Perhaps, but this didn't happen at TWS and seemed to get progressively worse at ECR even as I tried to prevent the problem by braking later and sometimes holding throttle pressure while braking) 10. Bowl lids (ie: float hinge point) oriented improperly)? No -- this one has been checked. The suggestion came from someone who was also asking whether it happened more when turning one direction and not another -- direction did not matter. 11. Dirt in carb? (X2) Fuel filter was clear when checked on Saturday but I haven't looked in the float bowls yet. I'll blow the lines back to the fuel cell (no rust seen in fuel cell when I cleaned it out a few months ago -- found silicone worm scraps, though) 12. Oiling plugs? 13. Intake tract leak? The suggestions will guide my investigation -- thanks, everyone! Duncan '52 Morgan red #6 From igofaster at att.net Wed May 25 18:16:03 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 17:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? In-Reply-To: References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> Message-ID: <814733.23520.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I roundly 2nd Joe A .... harrummph harrrrummph BG Whitehead ________________________________ From: Brad Kahler To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 10:42:51 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? I nominate Joe A... :) On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > Mr. Hasty's need for a decal raises a point. Thanks John. > > It looks like we need a regalia coordinator.... > > Badges > Decals > Shirts > Posters > > Since there is no real organization this isnt easily done. > > Any suggestions? Volunteers? > > There are some other things that need to be tightened up a bit in this > non-organization. > > Change is not easy, but we can handle it. > > Joe A > > > > > > > > Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit Point > > Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will require a new > > coat > > of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal to replace the one that > > will be lost? > > > > John H. Hasty > > Attorney At Law > > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > > 719 East Boulevard > > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > > www.gdhs.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 25 18:17:00 2011 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 20:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Big TR IRS Question Message-ID: Hi, If anyone on the list with an IRS big TR has used MGB "front" springs on the rear of your car, could you please contact me off list? It looks like the MGB front springs are the same (or close enough) ID and I want to try a very stiff rear suspension setup just for yucks. But I figured I'd ask if anyone has tried this before I shell out a couple hundred bucks to test the setup. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 25 19:22:23 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 21:22:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] REGALIA COORDINATOR? a new announcement. In-Reply-To: <814733.23520.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <7c.325c4f06.3b0e7655@cs.com> <814733.23520.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDE95A7FDAA7E9-700-38D78@webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com> i've decided that we dont need a REGALIA COORDINATOR. we have gotten along just fine with volunteers like BOBBY and BRAD. Becoming too organized is a very slippery slope. -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: Brad Kahler Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 7:16 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? I roundly 2nd Joe A .... harrummph harrrrummph BG Whitehead ________________________________ From: Brad Kahler To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 10:42:51 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] decal wanted......now REGALIA COORDINATOR? I nominate Joe A... :) On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > Mr. Hasty's need for a decal raises a point. Thanks John. > > It looks like we need a regalia coordinator.... > > Badges > Decals > Shirts > Posters > > Since there is no real organization this isnt easily done. > > Any suggestions? Volunteers? > > There are some other things that need to be tightened up a bit in this > non-organization. > > Change is not easy, but we can handle it. > > Joe A > > > > > > > > Having tried to modify the tire wall at turn 3 during the Summit Point > > Jefferson 500, I find that the right side of my TR3A will require a new > > coat > > of paint.....where can I obtain another FOT decal to replace the one that > > will be lost? > > > > John H. Hasty > > Attorney At Law > > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > > 719 East Boulevard > > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > > www.gdhs.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Wed May 25 23:40:14 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 00:40:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> References: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110526054023.6AE0118765F@autox.team.net> I doubt this is the issue, but one issue that Jack had was a little piece of rubber from where the jet tube comes into the float bowl - it allowed enough fuel to get through that it ran but would occasionally block the jet causing the car to run like crap. Took over 5 carb disassemblies before it was found. Different symptoms to what you are having, though. If you have a fuel pressure gauge and EGT gauge (front and rear), you can tell whether it's going rich or lean. We fought issues with fuel pressure regulators (goes lean at end of long straight - pulling back on the gas pedal helps) and with vibration causing the fuel in the carb bowl to foam (goes rich - nothing you do with the gas pedal helps much), as well as the orientation of the top of the float bowl (one goes rich - keep the revs way up and the problem lessens as you clear the extra fuel more quickly). With the resonance deal foaming the fuel, it seemed that once it got started it would continue but if you could eke through the RPM that caused the issue the resonance would stop. It wouldn't always happen, though. This is a possibility, although what you described as trying for the workarounds should have taken care of this issue. Assuming that it is fuel related, it's a good idea to take the carbs apart and make sure everything is completely clean - no dirt in the bowl or lines. Tony At 05:24 PM 5/25/2011, Duncan Charlton wrote: >I'm getting some well-thought out suggestions. Thanks to Michael P, Bob K, >Tim M, Jim G, Tony (TR4 Tony), Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, and Bill B. > >My thoughts that it was fuel related seem to be supported by the fact that >most of you mentioned fuel issues. So far: >1. Bowl vents clear? Hmm -- we do have mud dauber wasps around here! >2. Fuel foaming due to vibration? (X2) Possible, and perhaps the new manifold >brace could add more vibration. >3. Sticky float or float needles? >4. Leaky floats? >5. Resonance due to new brace causing jets to sink down? (They're supported by >a spring, but it makes sense that resonance could cause the spring to lose >tension temporarily, the way a spring governor on a lawnmower engine does) >6. Needle(s) not properly seated in piston(s)? >7. Advance profile poor or advance mechanism sticking? >8. Loose engine ground cable? >9. Improper jetting for driving style? (Perhaps, but this didn't happen at >TWS and seemed to get progressively worse at ECR even as I tried to prevent >the problem by braking later and sometimes holding throttle pressure while >braking) >10. Bowl lids (ie: float hinge point) oriented improperly)? No -- this one >has been checked. The suggestion came from someone who was also asking >whether it happened more when turning one direction and not another -- >direction did not matter. >11. Dirt in carb? (X2) Fuel filter was clear when checked on Saturday but I >haven't looked in the float bowls yet. I'll blow the lines back to the fuel >cell (no rust seen in fuel cell when I cleaned it out a few months ago -- >found silicone worm scraps, though) >12. Oiling plugs? >13. Intake tract leak? > >The suggestions will guide my investigation -- thanks, everyone! > >Duncan >'52 Morgan red #6 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu May 26 06:58:23 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 07:58:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question References: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> <20110526054023.6AE0118765F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: With HS6's I haven't had a fuel foaming issue, but with my previous TR4, with H6's I struggled with them as Tony describes. I did three things and solved the problem. First I tried safety wire to secure the float bowls from shaking so much, with limited improvement. Second I had been advised that it was best to weld up the tranny mount into a solid mount to avoid failures , but I determined that this added to the resonance issues. I now fill the cavity of a stock mount with silicone, gradually so it cures. This is the "Air Triumph" mount. Lastly I placed 2" o-rings between the insulator block and the intake manifold surface (or was it the carb surface?). I used a 2" hole saw to cut a locating groove in the insulator and slightly longer studs to mnount the carbs. Worked for me. Bob Kramer -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 12:40 AM To: Duncan Charlton; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question I doubt this is the issue, but one issue that Jack had was a little piece of rubber from where the jet tube comes into the float bowl - it allowed enough fuel to get through that it ran but would occasionally block the jet causing the car to run like crap. Took over 5 carb disassemblies before it was found. Different symptoms to what you are having, though. If you have a fuel pressure gauge and EGT gauge (front and rear), you can tell whether it's going rich or lean. We fought issues with fuel pressure regulators (goes lean at end of long straight - pulling back on the gas pedal helps) and with vibration causing the fuel in the carb bowl to foam (goes rich - nothing you do with the gas pedal helps much), as well as the orientation of the top of the float bowl (one goes rich - keep the revs way up and the problem lessens as you clear the extra fuel more quickly). With the resonance deal foaming the fuel, it seemed that once it got started it would continue but if you could eke through the RPM that caused the issue the resonance would stop. It wouldn't always happen, though. This is a possibility, although what you described as trying for the workarounds should have taken care of this issue. Assuming that it is fuel related, it's a good idea to take the carbs apart and make sure everything is completely clean - no dirt in the bowl or lines. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu May 26 10:06:28 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 16:06:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Big TR IRS Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1522293346.505795.1306425988970.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I have not tried the MG springs. I found the uprated/lowered springs from BPNW with the adjustable Spax are plenty. I've run the dampening adjuster up to the point I was too stiff and had to back off to 1/2 - 5/8 position. It started getting loose with the stiff shock setting, even on fresh Hoosier R6's. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:17:00 PM Subject: [Fot] Big TR IRS Question Hi, If anyone on the list with an IRS big TR has used MGB "front" springs on the rear of your car, could you please contact me off list? It looks like the MGB front springs are the same (or close enough) ID and I want to try a very stiff rear suspension setup just for yucks. But I figured I'd ask if anyone has tried this before I shell out a couple hundred bucks to test the setup. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 26 11:01:22 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 10:01:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP SCHEDULE Message-ID: Hi Gang...does anyone have a K.Cup schedule that you can send me by email?..since i entered late, I don't have one yet. thanks budscars at comcast.net Racer Bud From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu May 26 12:00:50 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 13:00:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] =?iso-8859-1?q?Helical_Compression_Spring_Design_Equations_?= =?iso-8859-1?q?and_Calculator_-=A0Engineers_Edge?= Message-ID: <000d01cc1bce$db2eebc0$918cc340$@com> I found a pretty nice site showing the calculation of spring compression parameters. It has some nice calculators on it. Thought it might be of interest. http://www.engineersedge.com/spring_comp_calc.htm Tim From kaskas at cox.net Thu May 26 13:08:43 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 19:08:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: , , <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com>, <20110526054023.6AE0118765F@autox.team.net>, Message-ID: The TR3-4 engine is a maker of really really heavy vibration at about 5200 revs. In the engine dyno you cannot keep the carb bell in your hand the vibration is so severe at that rev. The gas in the bowl at that time is almost all foam. Amazing that engine runs at all there. "O" ringing the insulater blocks really helps a bunch. > From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 07:58:23 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question > > With HS6's I haven't had a fuel foaming issue, but with my previous TR4, with > H6's I struggled with them as Tony describes. I did three things and solved > the problem. First I tried safety wire to secure the float bowls from shaking > so much, with limited improvement. Second I had been advised that it was best > to weld up the tranny mount into a solid mount to avoid failures , but I > determined that this added to the resonance issues. I now fill the cavity of > a stock mount with silicone, gradually so it cures. This is the "Air Triumph" > mount. Lastly I placed 2" o-rings between the insulator block and the intake > manifold surface (or was it the carb surface?). I used a 2" hole saw to cut a > locating groove in the insulator and slightly longer studs to mnount the > carbs. Worked for me. > > Bob Kramer > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Tony Drews > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 12:40 AM > To: Duncan Charlton; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question > > I doubt this is the issue, but one issue that Jack had was a little > piece of rubber from where the jet tube comes into the float bowl - > it allowed enough fuel to get through that it ran but would > occasionally block the jet causing the car to run like crap. Took > over 5 carb disassemblies before it was found. Different symptoms to > what you are having, though. > > If you have a fuel pressure gauge and EGT gauge (front and rear), you > can tell whether it's going rich or lean. > > We fought issues with fuel pressure regulators (goes lean at end of > long straight - pulling back on the gas pedal helps) and with > vibration causing the fuel in the carb bowl to foam (goes rich - > nothing you do with the gas pedal helps much), as well as the > orientation of the top of the float bowl (one goes rich - keep the > revs way up and the problem lessens as you clear the extra fuel more > quickly). > > With the resonance deal foaming the fuel, it seemed that once it got > started it would continue but if you could eke through the RPM that > caused the issue the resonance would stop. It wouldn't always > happen, though. This is a possibility, although what you described > as trying for the workarounds should have taken care of this issue. > > Assuming that it is fuel related, it's a good idea to take the carbs > apart and make sure everything is completely clean - no dirt in the > bowl or lines. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From jfrymark at aol.com Thu May 26 14:14:38 2011 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 13:14:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] K Cup schedule Message-ID: <403CAF27-1F26-4C2B-B1AA-AD196175060D@aol.com> Just sent our by Cris: Greetings, Thank you for your entry in the June 7-8 LSR event. We are in the process of building the groups and schedule. As soon as we get those completed well send that information to you hopefully during the weekend. Best Regards, Cris Vandagriff From edenma at aol.com Thu May 26 14:42:27 2011 From: edenma at aol.com (edenma at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 16:42:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing in Hastings NE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDE9FC8F0BDFA3-15F8-69D3@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> OK Jim! Chris and I will commit to making the tow this year to Hastings. Cheers! Mark From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 26 15:41:35 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 17:41:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP SCHEDULE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDEA04D2120B3E-B20-4A36F@webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com> I would be interested in that information too. -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 12:01 pm Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP SCHEDULE Hi Gang...does anyone have a K.Cup schedule that you can send me by email?..since i entered late, I don't have one yet. thanks budscars at comcast.net Racer Bud _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Thu May 26 17:08:31 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 16:08:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Last Minute Entries for the Kastner Cup Message-ID: Gentlemen: The upcoming event is shaping up to be the largest ever gathering for the Kastner Cup with over 22 confirmed entries with a few more last minute participants hopefully able to attend. When we first approached HMSA over a year ago with the desire to hold the event at Laguna Seca we were enthusiastically received. Unfortunately, we were not told what the entry fee was until after we had committed to attend. The Kastner Cup committee was very, very unhappy with the $650 entry fee but were told that such was the expense of running without a sound restriction at Laguna Seca and with the class of cars expected at an HMSA event. No doubt that cost plus the unexpected ailments of Messrs. Miller, Babcock, et al., have conspired to hold down entries. We had originally hoped for 40 or more cars and we would still like to reach for close to that number. We have not received a schedule from HMSA but if there is any possibility whatsoever in making it we would love to have you. The West Coast FOT contingent in well known for their hospitality and banter and we will do everything in our power to make this an event to remember. It is still possible to register for the event and for those completing last minute repairs you can always show up and pay on arrival. Many of the cars competing at the Rolex Historics at Sonoma the weekend before will also be competing at the HMSA event with several cars also being flown in from Europe to participate so we should have a paddock full of truly historic cars on hand. California weather is expected to be on the cool side with temperatures of 76 degrees and clear skies so dress warmly! We hope to see you there. If you think you might be able to make it please let me know so we can work around logistics to ensure a great time. Thanks. -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 26 17:52:17 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 16:52:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Last Minute Entries for the Kastner Cup References: Message-ID: In regards to saving $ on hotel accomodations I might mention, John, that for those unfamiliar with the area around Laguna Seca...the city of Seaside is closer to the track than is Monterey, and room rates are generally lower..There are lots of motels along Fremont Blvd in Seaside...I just reserved a room at the Best Western Ramona Inn for 77.00 per night. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Nikas" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 4:08 PM Subject: [Fot] Last Minute Entries for the Kastner Cup > Gentlemen: > > The upcoming event is shaping up to be the largest ever gathering for the > Kastner Cup with over 22 confirmed entries with a few more last minute > participants hopefully able to attend. When we first approached HMSA over > a > year ago with the desire to hold the event at Laguna Seca we were > enthusiastically received. Unfortunately, we were not told what the entry > fee was until after we had committed to attend. The Kastner Cup committee > was very, very unhappy with the $650 entry fee but were told that such was > the expense of running without a sound restriction at Laguna Seca and with > the class of cars expected at an HMSA event. No doubt that cost plus the > unexpected ailments of Messrs. Miller, Babcock, et al., have conspired to > hold down entries. We had originally hoped for 40 or more cars and we > would > still like to reach for close to that number. We have not received a > schedule from HMSA but if there is any possibility whatsoever in making it > we would love to have you. The West Coast FOT contingent in well known for > their hospitality and banter and we will do everything in our power to > make > this an event to remember. It is still possible to register for the event > and for those completing last minute repairs you can always show up and > pay > on arrival. Many of the cars competing at the Rolex Historics at Sonoma > the > weekend before will also be competing at the HMSA event with several cars > also being flown in from Europe to participate so we should have a paddock > full of truly historic cars on hand. California weather is expected to be > on > the cool side with temperatures of 76 degrees and clear skies so dress > warmly! We hope to see you there. If you think you might be able to make > it > please let me know so we can work around logistics to ensure a great time. > Thanks. > > -- > Very truly yours, > > John Nikas > Cape Coventry Racing > www.capecoventryracing.com > (949) 375-6306 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 26 19:09:03 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 18:09:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner cup..Steve Froines Message-ID: <3E92CD2C79C74724B8E01B67829762D5@Bud> Hi Gang..Carl Stirtz has contacted Steve Froines(DP TR4 national Champ & Sebring Tr4 driver) about coming to Laguna, ...Steve will likely be attending....Steve is not big into the internet, ..can someone give me an FOT phone # that I can forward to Carl and Steve.. my email is budscars at comcast.net thanks Racer Bud From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu May 26 20:07:08 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 22:07:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] opinion need on FLAGS Message-ID: Amici, In getting prices here is what I have found out.... A double sided flag will run about $80. The words " Amici Triumphi" can be read correctly on both sides. Basically it is two flags sewn together. A single sides flag will run about $40. The words "Amici Triumphi" can be read correctly on ONE side, other side is reversed. Both are made of good quality material and able to be used outside. I am leaning toward a single sided flag. I am asking you fellow members what is your opinion. Thanks From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 26 20:31:32 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 22:31:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner cup..Steve Froines In-Reply-To: <3E92CD2C79C74724B8E01B67829762D5@Bud> References: <3E92CD2C79C74724B8E01B67829762D5@Bud> Message-ID: <8CDEA2D5354524D-178C-43609@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> steve froines, eh? kas will be pleased. you be cool, bud. -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 8:09 pm Subject: [Fot] Kastner cup..Steve Froines Hi Gang..Carl Stirtz has contacted Steve Froines(DP TR4 national Champ & Sebring Tr4 driver) about coming to Laguna, ...Steve will likely be attending....Steve is not big into the internet, ..can someone give me an FOT phone # that I can forward to Carl and Steve.. my email is budscars at comcast.net thanks Racer Bud _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 26 20:36:24 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 22:36:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] opinion need on FLAGS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDEA2E019C305B-178C-4370C@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> single sided flag. you have to run very fast to see both sides at the same time. and $40 is a better number. what is size and logo proportion? last ones were nice but logo too small. thanks for doing this..... -----Original Message----- From: christopher bock To: FoTTriumph Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 9:07 pm Subject: [Fot] opinion need on FLAGS Amici, In getting prices here is what I have found out.... A double sided flag will run about $80. The words " Amici Triumphi" can be read correctly on both sides. Basically it is two flags sewn together. A single sides flag will run about $40. The words "Amici Triumphi" can be read correctly on ONE side, other side is reversed. Both are made of good quality material and able to be used outside. I am leaning toward a single sided flag. I am asking you fellow members what is your opinion. Thanks _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri May 27 05:27:24 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 07:27:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FLAGS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9EC2683B-96AA-4BBC-82AC-63F5AE6056FB@aol.com> Amici, I was WRONG!!!! Price for a double sided is $30..... The logo is printed on. I am currently working on the proof with the makers. So far the proof looks good but a few changes are needed. Here is some info on the flag. www.the-flag-makers.com Size:: 60cm x 90cm (2\' x 3\') Quantity: 75 Colors: 6 Orientation: Landscape Prints: Double Sided 3 Layers Material:: Knitted polyester (Top Quality) Fixtures: Grommets 2 If your interested start sending money!! Paypal... SeaCubeCo at aol.com mail... Chris Bock, 3630 Italia Ave, Vineland, NJ, 08361 Chris On May 26, 2011, at 10:07 PM, christopher bock wrote: > Amici, > > In getting prices here is what I have found out.... > > A double sided flag will run about $80. The words " Amici Triumphi" can be > read correctly on both sides. Basically it is two flags sewn together. > > A single sides flag will run about $40. The words "Amici Triumphi" can be > read correctly on ONE side, other side is reversed. > > > Both are made of good quality material and able to be used outside. > > I am leaning toward a single sided flag. > > > I am asking you fellow members what is your opinion. > > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > > Christopher Bock www.SeaCubeCo.com SeaCubeCo at aol.com (609) 319-4322 From BillDentin at aol.com Fri May 27 08:04:21 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 10:04:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] opinion need on FLAGS Message-ID: <4017.78920772.3b110965@aol.com> In a message dated 05/26/2011 9:29:43 PM Central Daylight Time, SeaCubeCo at aol.com writes: > I am asking you fellow members what is your opinion. > I recognize and would readily accept the additional cost for a double sided flag, but would purchase either. Can both be made available? Bill Dentinger From cartravel at pobox.com Fri May 27 09:33:12 2011 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 10:33:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] O2 sensors and AFR Message-ID: <4DDFC438.9050507@pobox.com> I'm trying to use a normal narrow band O2 sensor to aid in dialing in an engine. I have a few questions about how these things work: 1. How quickly do they respond to a change, e.g. throttle position or load? 2. How is the AFR reading effected by temperature? 3. How does the AFR read if a cylinder is missing intermittently? Based on info found on the web, I welded the bung about 4 feet from the head. Documentation with the Westach gauge says it should be 600 degrees. Mine is running around 450. The way I understand it, the gauge fundamentally measures oxygen concentration. If a cylinder is misfiring, there will be oxygen and unburned fuel in the exhaust, not the same as a rich mixture in a cylinder that is firing. TIA Larry From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri May 27 10:17:48 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 18:17:48 +0200 Subject: [Fot] O2 sensors and AFR In-Reply-To: <4DDFC438.9050507@pobox.com> References: <4DDFC438.9050507@pobox.com> Message-ID: <001701cc1c89$a04f7180$e0ee5480$@com> I've written in Kas's book about these type of sensor. To answer your questions: 1. The sensor responds at once, in most cases the gauge is too slow, that's why I use a voltmeter instead 2. It is affected but after a few minutes there should be enough heat to make it work 3. You won't see this I'm afraid. I didn't test it but one or two missing strokes won't give a reading Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Larry Young Gesendet: Freitag, 27. Mai 2011 17:33 An: FOT Cc: Tom Young Betreff: [Fot] O2 sensors and AFR I'm trying to use a normal narrow band O2 sensor to aid in dialing in an engine. I have a few questions about how these things work: 1. How quickly do they respond to a change, e.g. throttle position or load? 2. How is the AFR reading effected by temperature? 3. How does the AFR read if a cylinder is missing intermittently? Based on info found on the web, I welded the bung about 4 feet from the head. Documentation with the Westach gauge says it should be 600 degrees. Mine is running around 450. The way I understand it, the gauge fundamentally measures oxygen concentration. If a cylinder is misfiring, there will be oxygen and unburned fuel in the exhaust, not the same as a rich mixture in a cylinder that is firing. TIA Larry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Fri May 27 15:21:03 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 07:21:03 +1000 Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright Message-ID: can anyone confirm if the taper machined into in the late model front upright (ie the type without a "hole" for the steering arm), is the same GT6 and Spitfire.???> The Gt6 uses bigger bearings and a bigger stub axle to match, and i think, a different taper. would like 100% confirmation if possible Terry From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 27 16:07:36 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 15:07:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't know the specific differences but they do carry different part numbers. The late Spit uprights are PN GSJ265 and 266, while the GT6 PNs are GSJ264 and 267. The differences may be just in the finished pieces and the Spit ones may be upgradeable. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 2:21 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright can anyone confirm if the taper machined into in the late model front upright (ie the type without a "hole" for the steering arm), is the same GT6 and Spitfire.???> The Gt6 uses bigger bearings and a bigger stub axle to match, and i think, a different taper. would like 100% confirmation if possible Terry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri May 27 16:36:25 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 18:36:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright Message-ID: <96603.c8a2599.3b118169@aol.com> I would expect them to be different but can't say for sure. I can get exact measurements for a GT6 stub axle if that will help. Anybody got a free Spitty one laying around? In a message dated 5/27/2011 3:31:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: I don't know the specific differences but they do carry different part numbers. The late Spit uprights are PN GSJ265 and 266, while the GT6 PNs are GSJ264 and 267. The differences may be just in the finished pieces and the Spit ones may be upgradeable. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 2:21 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright can anyone confirm if the taper machined into in the late model front upright (ie the type without a "hole" for the steering arm), is the same GT6 and Spitfire.???> The Gt6 uses bigger bearings and a bigger stub axle to match, and i think, a different taper. would like 100% confirmation if possible Terry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From herald948 at aol.com Fri May 27 16:41:56 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 18:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDEAD66AC9379C-183C-713F1@Webmail-m108.sysops.aol.com> Terry, just so I'm on the same page (or at least in the same library!), can you explain what you mean by "taper"? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Enquiries Road & Track can anyone confirm if the taper machined into in the late model front upright (ie the type without a "hole" for the steering arm), is the same GT6 and Spitfire.???> The Gt6 uses bigger bearings and a bigger stub axle to match, and i think, a different taper. would like 100% confirmation if possible From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 27 17:25:56 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 16:25:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright In-Reply-To: <8CDEAD66AC9379C-183C-713F1@Webmail-m108.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDEAD66AC9379C-183C-713F1@Webmail-m108.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <862E4247FC614EEA9844D8F5D1044E8E@Vista> I took that as meaning the tapered hole where the stub axle fits into. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Mace Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 3:42 PM To: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright Terry, just so I'm on the same page (or at least in the same library!), can you explain what you mean by "taper"? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Enquiries Road & Track can anyone confirm if the taper machined into in the late model front upright (ie the type without a "hole" for the steering arm), is the same GT6 and Spitfire.???> The Gt6 uses bigger bearings and a bigger stub axle to match, and i think, a different taper. would like 100% confirmation if possible _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri May 27 18:12:58 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 20:12:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright Message-ID: <2018e.7c11365b.3b11980a@aol.com> I would expect them to be different but can't say for sure. I can get exact measurements for a GT6 stub axle if that will help. Anybody got a free Spitty one laying around? In a message dated 5/27/2011 3:36:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: I would expect them to be different but can't say for sure. I can get exact measurements for a GT6 stub axle if that will help. Anybody got a free Spitty one laying around? In a message dated 5/27/2011 3:31:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: I don't know the specific differences but they do carry different part numbers. The late Spit uprights are PN GSJ265 and 266, while the GT6 PNs are GSJ264 and 267. The differences may be just in the finished pieces and the Spit ones may be upgradeable. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 2:21 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright can anyone confirm if the taper machined into in the late model front upright (ie the type without a "hole" for the steering arm), is the same GT6 and Spitfire.???> The Gt6 uses bigger bearings and a bigger stub axle to match, and i think, a different taper. would like 100% confirmation if possible Terry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From herald948 at aol.com Fri May 27 20:36:16 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 22:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright In-Reply-To: <862E4247FC614EEA9844D8F5D1044E8E@Vista> References: <8CDEAD66AC9379C-183C-713F1@Webmail-m108.sysops.aol.com> <862E4247FC614EEA9844D8F5D1044E8E@Vista> Message-ID: <8CDEAF726E9D5B2-183C-757FC@Webmail-m108.sysops.aol.com> If that's the case, the factory workshop manual shows that taper as 0.9995 - 1.0005" (25.413 - 25.387mm) on both types of vertical links. So the stub axles should be interchangeable? That makes sense (to me, anyway), since the GT6/Vitesse vertical link originated with the Herald. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry I took that as meaning the tapered hole where the stub axle fits into. From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Fri May 27 22:22:49 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 14:22:49 +1000 Subject: [Fot] spitfire vs GT6 front upright In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: thanks for rapid feedback folks. the GT6 uses the bigger wheel bearings in common with Triumph 2000, so the stub axle is larger in diameter where the 2 bearings sit. that much is 100% certain. i have Spitfire stub axles but dont have a genuine GT6 one to check what i'm trying to get confirmed, is if the taper where the stub-axle presses into the the upright is the same or different between GT6 & Spitfire 1500 (late upright). the hopeful end result of this query, is I'll buy some fatter/stronger late 1500 uprights which i'll modify for heim joint use (prototype already made) and use GT6 or T2000 stub axles with the big bearings. whislt I'm on this subject, can any of the Spitfire/GT6 racers reading this advise what camber and caster they are using. Our prototype lower heim joint system moves the base out 10mm to give about 2.5 degrees extra camber, and forward about 3mm to give about 0.75 degrees extra castor. terry From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri May 27 23:17:55 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 00:17:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: , , <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com>, <20110526054023.6AE0118765F@autox.team.net>, Message-ID: Thanks Kas. Even if my particular problem is caused to some degree by another problem it sounds like a good idea to shock mount the carb. Duncan On May 26, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > The TR3-4 engine is a maker of really really heavy vibration at about 5200 > revs. In the engine dyno you cannot keep the carb bell in your hand the > vibration is so severe at that rev. The gas in the bowl at that time is > almost all foam. Amazing that engine runs at all there. "O" ringing the > insulater blocks really helps a bunch. > >> From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 07:58:23 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question >> >> With HS6's I haven't had a fuel foaming issue, but with my previous TR4, > with >> H6's I struggled with them as Tony describes. I did three things and solved >> the problem. First I tried safety wire to secure the float bowls from > shaking >> so much, with limited improvement. Second I had been advised that it was > best >> to weld up the tranny mount into a solid mount to avoid failures , but I >> determined that this added to the resonance issues. I now fill the cavity > of >> a stock mount with silicone, gradually so it cures. This is the "Air > Triumph" >> mount. Lastly I placed 2" o-rings between the insulator block and the > intake >> manifold surface (or was it the carb surface?). I used a 2" hole saw to cut > a >> locating groove in the insulator and slightly longer studs to mnount the >> carbs. Worked for me. >> >> Bob Kramer >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf >> Of Tony Drews >> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 12:40 AM >> To: Duncan Charlton; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question >> >> I doubt this is the issue, but one issue that Jack had was a little >> piece of rubber from where the jet tube comes into the float bowl - >> it allowed enough fuel to get through that it ran but would >> occasionally block the jet causing the car to run like crap. Took >> over 5 carb disassemblies before it was found. Different symptoms to >> what you are having, though. >> >> If you have a fuel pressure gauge and EGT gauge (front and rear), you >> can tell whether it's going rich or lean. >> >> We fought issues with fuel pressure regulators (goes lean at end of >> long straight - pulling back on the gas pedal helps) and with >> vibration causing the fuel in the carb bowl to foam (goes rich - >> nothing you do with the gas pedal helps much), as well as the >> orientation of the top of the float bowl (one goes rich - keep the >> revs way up and the problem lessens as you clear the extra fuel more >> quickly). >> >> With the resonance deal foaming the fuel, it seemed that once it got >> started it would continue but if you could eke through the RPM that >> caused the issue the resonance would stop. It wouldn't always >> happen, though. This is a possibility, although what you described >> as trying for the workarounds should have taken care of this issue. >> >> Assuming that it is fuel related, it's a good idea to take the carbs >> apart and make sure everything is completely clean - no dirt in the >> bowl or lines. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From jameselbe at aol.com Sat May 28 09:39:54 2011 From: jameselbe at aol.com (jameselbe at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 11:39:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> References: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CDEB649FEA9588-14A0-23596@webmail-m042.sysops.aol.com> Here's one from left field. I had a similar problem on my TR4 racer. In my case the ignition was a couple of degrees too far advanced. When the car got hot it would sputter. Slow down for a short time and it would clear up and run fine for a few laps. Drove me crazy for a long time. Turned back ignition ,problem went away and never happened again. Same thing happened on my buddies MGB racer. -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 4:24 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question I'm getting some well-thought out suggestions. Thanks to Michael P, Bob K, im M, Jim G, Tony (TR4 Tony), Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, and Bill B. My thoughts that it was fuel related seem to be supported by the fact that ost of you mentioned fuel issues. So far: . Bowl vents clear? Hmm -- we do have mud dauber wasps around here! . Fuel foaming due to vibration? (X2) Possible, and perhaps the new manifold race could add more vibration. . Sticky float or float needles? . Leaky floats? . Resonance due to new brace causing jets to sink down? (They're supported by spring, but it makes sense that resonance could cause the spring to lose ension temporarily, the way a spring governor on a lawnmower engine does) . Needle(s) not properly seated in piston(s)? . Advance profile poor or advance mechanism sticking? . Loose engine ground cable? . Improper jetting for driving style? (Perhaps, but this didn't happen at WS and seemed to get progressively worse at ECR even as I tried to prevent he problem by braking later and sometimes holding throttle pressure while raking) 0. Bowl lids (ie: float hinge point) oriented improperly)? No -- this one as been checked. The suggestion came from someone who was also asking hether it happened more when turning one direction and not another -- irection did not matter. 1. Dirt in carb? (X2) Fuel filter was clear when checked on Saturday but I aven't looked in the float bowls yet. I'll blow the lines back to the fuel ell (no rust seen in fuel cell when I cleaned it out a few months ago -- ound silicone worm scraps, though) 2. Oiling plugs? 3. Intake tract leak? The suggestions will guide my investigation -- thanks, everyone! Duncan 52 Morgan red #6 ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jameselbe at aol.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat May 28 11:09:23 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 12:09:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <8CDEB649FEA9588-14A0-23596@webmail-m042.sysops.aol.com> References: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> <8CDEB649FEA9588-14A0-23596@webmail-m042.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001cc1d59$fe5b4170$fb11c450$@com> Just curious, how much total advance did you have when you were having the problem? Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jameselbe at aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 10:40 AM To: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Here's one from left field. I had a similar problem on my TR4 racer. In my case the ignition was a couple of degrees too far advanced. When the car got hot it would sputter. Slow down for a short time and it would clear up and run fine for a few laps. Drove me crazy for a long time. Turned back ignition ,problem went away and never happened again. Same thing happened on my buddies MGB racer. -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 4:24 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question I'm getting some well-thought out suggestions. Thanks to Michael P, Bob K, im M, Jim G, Tony (TR4 Tony), Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, and Bill B. My thoughts that it was fuel related seem to be supported by the fact that ost of you mentioned fuel issues. So far: . Bowl vents clear? Hmm -- we do have mud dauber wasps around here! . Fuel foaming due to vibration? (X2) Possible, and perhaps the new manifold race could add more vibration. . Sticky float or float needles? . Leaky floats? . Resonance due to new brace causing jets to sink down? (They're supported by spring, but it makes sense that resonance could cause the spring to lose ension temporarily, the way a spring governor on a lawnmower engine does) . Needle(s) not properly seated in piston(s)? . Advance profile poor or advance mechanism sticking? . Loose engine ground cable? . Improper jetting for driving style? (Perhaps, but this didn't happen at WS and seemed to get progressively worse at ECR even as I tried to prevent he problem by braking later and sometimes holding throttle pressure while raking) 0. Bowl lids (ie: float hinge point) oriented improperly)? No -- this one as been checked. The suggestion came from someone who was also asking hether it happened more when turning one direction and not another -- irection did not matter. 1. Dirt in carb? (X2) Fuel filter was clear when checked on Saturday but I aven't looked in the float bowls yet. I'll blow the lines back to the fuel ell (no rust seen in fuel cell when I cleaned it out a few months ago -- ound silicone worm scraps, though) 2. Oiling plugs? 3. Intake tract leak? The suggestions will guide my investigation -- thanks, everyone! Duncan 52 Morgan red #6 ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jameselbe at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From jameselbe at aol.com Sun May 29 09:30:51 2011 From: jameselbe at aol.com (jameselbe at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 11:30:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <000001cc1d59$fe5b4170$fb11c450$@com> References: <118A8981-97BC-4C04-ADEE-2EA07A6155F0@gmail.com> <8CDEB649FEA9588-14A0-23596@webmail-m042.sysops.aol.com> <000001cc1d59$fe5b4170$fb11c450$@com> Message-ID: <8CDEC2C86939782-1988-4DB1@webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com> If I remember correctly it was about 36-37 degrees. Dan, I'm planning on going to Pueblo. Don't know about Neb. yet. Jim TR4 #223 -----Original Message----- From: Tim Murphy To: jameselbe at aol.com; duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 28, 2011 11:09 am Subject: RE: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Just curious, how much total advance did you have when you were having the roblem? Tim -----Original Message----- rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On ehalf Of jameselbe at aol.com ent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 10:40 AM o: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net ubject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Here's one from left field. I had a similar problem on my TR4 racer. In my ase the ignition was a couple of degrees too far advanced. When the car got ot it would sputter. Slow down for a short time and it would clear up and un ine for a few laps. Drove me crazy for a long time. Turned back ignition problem went away and never happened again. Same thing happened on my uddies GB racer. ----Original Message----- rom: Duncan Charlton o: fot at autox.team.net ent: Wed, May 25, 2011 4:24 pm ubject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question 'm getting some well-thought out suggestions. Thanks to Michael P, Bob K, m M, Jim G, Tony (TR4 Tony), Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, and Bill B. y thoughts that it was fuel related seem to be supported by the fact that st of you mentioned fuel issues. So far: Bowl vents clear? Hmm -- we do have mud dauber wasps around here! Fuel foaming due to vibration? (X2) Possible, and perhaps the new anifold ace could add more vibration. Sticky float or float needles? Leaky floats? Resonance due to new brace causing jets to sink down? (They're supported y spring, but it makes sense that resonance could cause the spring to lose nsion temporarily, the way a spring governor on a lawnmower engine does) Needle(s) not properly seated in piston(s)? Advance profile poor or advance mechanism sticking? Loose engine ground cable? Improper jetting for driving style? (Perhaps, but this didn't happen at S and seemed to get progressively worse at ECR even as I tried to prevent e problem by braking later and sometimes holding throttle pressure while aking) . Bowl lids (ie: float hinge point) oriented improperly)? No -- this one s been checked. The suggestion came from someone who was also asking ether it happened more when turning one direction and not another -- rection did not matter. . Dirt in carb? (X2) Fuel filter was clear when checked on Saturday but I ven't looked in the float bowls yet. I'll blow the lines back to the fuel ll (no rust seen in fuel cell when I cleaned it out a few months ago -- und silicone worm scraps, though) . Oiling plugs? . Intake tract leak? he suggestions will guide my investigation -- thanks, everyone! uncan 2 Morgan red #6 _____________________________________________ t at autox.team.net ttp://www.fot-racing.com onate: http://www.team.net/donate.html chive: http://www.team.net/archive rums: http://www.team.net/forums subscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jameselbe at aol.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 30 12:03:01 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 12:03:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances Message-ID: <20110530180533.85397187660@autox.team.net> FoT, I can't seem to locate much information on TR-4 cam bearings. I'm sure many would appreciate any input on the following topics. I'm seeing some wear on my cam and bearings that needs to be addressed now. Questions are as follows; What are racing clearances for front bearing. What are racing clearances for the other three bearings. Does anyone use friction reducing coatings on their cam bearings. Cam thrust..any info. Cam bearing type & manufacture. Any hot tips for cam bearings and overall longevity. Thanks for the input as always, jim g From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 30 13:30:41 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 13:30:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing Message-ID: <20110530193313.4C24F187650@autox.team.net> FoT, I'm considering building a tool that will flush oil lines, brake lines and fuel lines while left in the car. This can be accomplished with a harbor freight parts washer and some adapter fittings, hoses and filters. The part I'm hung up on is the solvent used. My first thought was denatured alcohol because with compressed air used after the flushing any residue would easily evaporate. Two things came up, flash point and erosion of rubber lines. If anybody has any thoughts on such a tool that won't blow up, eat rubber lines and won't leave residue please jump in. as always, jim g From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Mon May 30 14:12:47 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 16:12:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing Message-ID: <13fa3.2055c884.3b15543f@aol.com> When I converted to silicone I used denatured alcohol with no problems. Sam In a message dated 5/30/2011 2:33:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: FoT, I'm considering building a tool that will flush oil lines, brake lines and fuel lines while left in the car. This can be accomplished with a harbor freight parts washer and some adapter fittings, hoses and filters. The part I'm hung up on is the solvent used. My first thought was denatured alcohol because with compressed air used after the flushing any residue would easily evaporate. Two things came up, flash point and erosion of rubber lines. If anybody has any thoughts on such a tool that won't blow up, eat rubber lines and won't leave residue please jump in. as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From igofaster at att.net Mon May 30 15:49:56 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 14:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing In-Reply-To: <20110530193313.4C24F187650@autox.team.net> References: <20110530193313.4C24F187650@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <374292.67234.qm@web180809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> As I have not yet flushed my oil lines out from engine failure, I too would like input on the best way to clean out the oil lines. I thought about a water hose with a strong nozzle. I also thought about running the hoses through my parts washer with kerosene. About a dozen times each hose? Comments? Bobby Whitehead To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 2:30:41 PM Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing FoT, I'm considering building a tool that will flush oil lines, brake lines and fuel lines while left in the car. This can be accomplished with a harbor freight parts washer and some adapter fittings, hoses and filters. The part I'm hung up on is the solvent used. My first thought was denatured alcohol because with compressed air used after the flushing any residue would easily evaporate. Two things came up, flash point and erosion of rubber lines. If anybody has any thoughts on such a tool that won't blow up, eat rubber lines and won't leave residue please jump in. as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 30 16:16:23 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 16:16:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing In-Reply-To: <13fa3.2055c884.3b15543f@aol.com> Message-ID: <20110530221855.89A0618766F@autox.team.net> "When I converted to silicone I used denatured alcohol with no problems." Through a parts washer ? _____ From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com [mailto:TRDOCTOR at aol.com] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 2:13 PM To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil line flushing When I converted to silicone I used denatured alcohol with no problems. Sam In a message dated 5/30/2011 2:33:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: FoT, I'm considering building a tool that will flush oil lines, brake lines and fuel lines while left in the car. This can be accomplished with a harbor freight parts washer and some adapter fittings, hoses and filters. The part I'm hung up on is the solvent used. My first thought was denatured alcohol because with compressed air used after the flushing any residue would easily evaporate. Two things came up, flash point and erosion of rubber lines. If anybody has any thoughts on such a tool that won't blow up, eat rubber lines and won't leave residue please jump in. as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Mon May 30 16:52:47 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 18:52:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing Message-ID: <18377.44513dfd.3b1579bf@aol.com> No. I just opened up the bleeders and poured it through and blew it out with compressed air. No problerms. Sam In a message dated 5/30/2011 5:18:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: bWhen I converted to silicone I used denatured alcohol with no problems.b Through a parts washer ? ____________________________________ From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com [mailto:TRDOCTOR at aol.com] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 2:13 PM To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil line flushing When I converted to silicone I used denatured alcohol with no problems. Sam In a message dated 5/30/2011 2:33:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: FoT, I'm considering building a tool that will flush oil lines, brake lines and fuel lines while left in the car. This can be accomplished with a harbor freight parts washer and some adapter fittings, hoses and filters. The part I'm hung up on is the solvent used. My first thought was denatured alcohol because with compressed air used after the flushing any residue would easily evaporate. Two things came up, flash point and erosion of rubber lines. If anybody has any thoughts on such a tool that won't blow up, eat rubber lines and won't leave residue please jump in. as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon May 30 17:46:10 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 18:46:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D392@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I usually take them to one of those self service car wash places and shoot high pressure hot soapy water through them, switching ends a few times. If you do this, make sure you have the nozzle firmly in the fitting before pulling the trigger. If not, that high pressure water can tear a big hole in your hand. Io can show you the scars. :-) Scott B. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: Jim Gray Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Mon May 30 16:49:56 2011 Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil line flushing As I have not yet flushed my oil lines out from engine failure, I too would like input on the best way to clean out the oil lines. I thought about a water hose with a strong nozzle. I also thought about running the hoses through my parts washer with kerosene. About a dozen times each hose? Comments? Bobby Whitehead To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 2:30:41 PM Subject: [Fot] Oil line flushing FoT, I'm considering building a tool that will flush oil lines, brake lines and fuel lines while left in the car. This can be accomplished with a harbor freight parts washer and some adapter fittings, hoses and filters. The part I'm hung up on is the solvent used. My first thought was denatured alcohol because with compressed air used after the flushing any residue would easily evaporate. Two things came up, flash point and erosion of rubber lines. If anybody has any thoughts on such a tool that won't blow up, eat rubber lines and won't leave residue please jump in. as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From trdoctor at aol.com Mon May 30 21:31:35 2011 From: trdoctor at aol.com (trdoctor at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 22:31:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Smog Pump In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D392@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D392@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: My friend.and fellow club member, John Phillips, is working on another member's TR8 and is having problems withe engine running too rich. The carbs have been rebuilt and an electric fuel pump has been installed supposedly of the proper pressure. Also the smog pump has had the belt removed. Could the smog pump have something to do with the rich condition? Any suggestions? Sam From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon May 30 22:51:00 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 21:51:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup @ Laguna Seca Message-ID: <4DE473B4.7040403@comcast.net> Well, I got the trailer prepped today for the long tow to California. The car's virtually ready. Still waiting to see a schedule and an entry list. Anyone else seen anything? From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue May 31 08:11:47 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 07:11:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup @ Laguna Seca References: <4DE473B4.7040403@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43500E7F5D3D4EBFAFD226606FA2F761@Charly> Me neither. It'd be nice to see something before making the haul from Tacoma WA. Charly Mitchel TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Norlin" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 9:51 PM Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup @ Laguna Seca > Well, I got the trailer prepped today for the long tow to California. The > car's virtually ready. Still waiting to see a schedule and an entry list. > Anyone else seen anything? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue May 31 09:30:05 2011 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 08:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Classic Message-ID: <69799.15081.qm@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Might as well start asking; anyone have a crew pass for the Blackhawk Classic I could use? Thanks, Ernie From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue May 31 11:20:26 2011 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 10:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Classic pass obtained Message-ID: <692118.77985.qm@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thanks to Beady Eye Racing I'm set. From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue May 31 12:15:32 2011 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 18:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Laguna crew pass? In-Reply-To: <1204912802.959448.1306865702362.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <670072297.959516.1306865732536.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Does anyone have an extra crew pass for the Kastner Cup event? I'll be 'crewsing' around, ready and willing to help where and when needed. Thanks, Dave Hogye From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Tue May 31 12:52:32 2011 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 14:52:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question References: <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com> Message-ID: <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae> Ken Gillanders told me a racing story many years ago from the late 1950s. Maybe it applies here. It seems that a racing Mini had two fire extinguisher bottles. One bottle was filled with the approved fire extinguisher inside. The other was filled with pure nitrogen and the driver would flick a switch that released a sudden huge mass of nitrogen out through small holes in a copper pipe hidden under the rear bumper. Every corner - just like you Duncan - the cars following would seem to suffer fuel starvation problems and by the time the cars following got un-spluttered again, the Mini was far gone. You need oxygen in the air/fuel mixture - not pure nitrogen and fuel. Leave it up to Ken to tell a great story ! ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question > It seems to me a classic SU dirt problem. > Debris is somewhere in float chamber and blocking from time to time the > needle jet. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca From gaf3 at charter.net Tue May 31 13:05:00 2011 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 15:05:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cam Timing Degree Specs Message-ID: <4DE53BDC.2020807@charter.net> Hi I putting a late model 74 TR6 back together after a rebuild. I'm attempting to time the cam. This one has no marks on the gears since it had been replaced. I have the degree wheel set up but I'm having difficulty finding the cam specs for a stock TR6 Cam? And if found what amount of lift does the specs relate to (.050"??) on this engine. Can anyone out there point me in the right direction. The head has not been installed and I have the degree wheel set and the dial indicator taking measurements off the pushrod. Thanks in advance Glenn From billb at bnj.com Tue May 31 13:34:48 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 12:34:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae> References: <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com> <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae> Message-ID: <64BACA4B-B3ED-4D74-9CBF-7F6A78D61B82@bnj.com> Great story, highly unlikely. You'd need a huge volume to do anything in an unconstrained, turbulent space like that. On May 31, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Don Elliott wrote: > Ken Gillanders told me a racing story many years ago from the late 1950s. Maybe it applies here. > > It seems that a racing Mini had two fire extinguisher bottles. One bottle was filled with the approved fire extinguisher inside. The other was filled with pure nitrogen and the driver would flick a switch that released a sudden huge mass of nitrogen out through small holes in a copper pipe hidden under the rear bumper. Every corner - just like you Duncan - the cars following would seem to suffer fuel starvation problems and by the time the cars following got un-spluttered again, the Mini was far gone. > > You need oxygen in the air/fuel mixture - not pure nitrogen and fuel. > > Leave it up to Ken to tell a great story ! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:46 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question > > >> It seems to me a classic SU dirt problem. >> Debris is somewhere in float chamber and blocking from time to time the >> needle jet. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From bownes at seiri.com Tue May 31 13:53:35 2011 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 15:53:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <64BACA4B-B3ED-4D74-9CBF-7F6A78D61B82@bnj.com> References: <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com> <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae> <64BACA4B-B3ED-4D74-9CBF-7F6A78D61B82@bnj.com> Message-ID: <21DAB3B5-7C5A-4FF8-BA3B-09368EF362DF@seiri.com> Now if your mix is adjustable and you can dump a bunch of O2 right in front of your own intake...:) On May 31, 2011, at 15:34, Bill Babcock wrote: > Great story, highly unlikely. You'd need a huge volume to do anything in an > unconstrained, turbulent space like that. > > On May 31, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Don Elliott wrote: > >> Ken Gillanders told me a racing story many years ago from the late 1950s. > Maybe it applies here. >> >> It seems that a racing Mini had two fire extinguisher bottles. One bottle > was filled with the approved fire extinguisher inside. The other was filled > with pure nitrogen and the driver would flick a switch that released a sudden > huge mass of nitrogen out through small holes in a copper pipe hidden under > the rear bumper. Every corner - just like you Duncan - the cars following > would seem to suffer fuel starvation problems and by the time the cars > following got un-spluttered again, the Mini was far gone. >> >> You need oxygen in the air/fuel mixture - not pure nitrogen and fuel. >> >> Leave it up to Ken to tell a great story ! >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:46 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question >> >> >>> It seems to me a classic SU dirt problem. >>> Debris is somewhere in float chamber and blocking from time to time the >>> needle jet. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Chris >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >> >> > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From jason at multivintage.com Tue May 31 13:58:04 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 14:58:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Race report and Gt6 Tie rod set? Message-ID: Amici, I had my best racing weekend to date at blackhawk farms this weekend. My GT6 was on fire. I started 10th after qualifying on dry tires in the pouring rain. With off and on heavy rain before the race I had no choice but to go out on rain tires... then it stopped raining just as we made our way to the grid. Looking for wetness on the outside of turns and taking some very strange lines to keep my tires cool on the drying track I kept getting faster and faster as the race went on, lapping very fast cars and picking off cars at a rapid pace. With a few laps left, I saw the leader in sight and made a hard charge for the front now with little regard for conserving the tires.I was back and forth for second many times. With one lap to go I was 3rd, nose to tail 1,2,3 with lapped traffic in the mix ahead of us. Out of the last turn we dragged raced 3 wide to the checkered. I ended up in second place, .02 ahead of third and just missing my first victory...a mere .8 second behind. It was totally awesome. In other Triumph news... Scott Barr had a solid run in his Spitfire moving up through the field from the back of the grid to finish 10th. He moved up 10 spots. The only other Triumph, Gade Snodgrass,Running in the F prod group Broke his 3rd rear trans extension in as many races, and is struggling to figure out how to get his Tilton clutch to work properly. ??? Now that I'm done with my moment of glory, I need new gt6 tie rods. Looks like only some of the piece are available in Vic Brit catalogue I don't think the washer set they have available is enough to fix the major amount of steering play I have and I would like to replace the whole thing. Two questions, is there something better I should be using for a Tie rod end... and where should I get some new ones? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From kaskas at cox.net Tue May 31 14:27:37 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 20:27:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <21DAB3B5-7C5A-4FF8-BA3B-09368EF362DF@seiri.com> References: , <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com>, <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae>, <64BACA4B-B3ED-4D74-9CBF-7F6A78D61B82@bnj.com>, <21DAB3B5-7C5A-4FF8-BA3B-09368EF362DF@seiri.com> Message-ID: Boy, is that ever a stretch of the imagination. Never be beaten by equipment > From: bownes at seiri.com > Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 15:53:35 -0400 > To: billb at bnj.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question > > Now if your mix is adjustable and you can dump a bunch of O2 right in front of > your own intake...:) > > > > On May 31, 2011, at 15:34, Bill Babcock wrote: > > > Great story, highly unlikely. You'd need a huge volume to do anything in an > > unconstrained, turbulent space like that. > > > > On May 31, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Don Elliott wrote: > > > >> Ken Gillanders told me a racing story many years ago from the late 1950s. > > Maybe it applies here. > >> > >> It seems that a racing Mini had two fire extinguisher bottles. One bottle > > was filled with the approved fire extinguisher inside. The other was > filled > > with pure nitrogen and the driver would flick a switch that released a > sudden > > huge mass of nitrogen out through small holes in a copper pipe hidden under > > the rear bumper. Every corner - just like you Duncan - the cars following > > would seem to suffer fuel starvation problems and by the time the cars > > following got un-spluttered again, the Mini was far gone. > >> > >> You need oxygen in the air/fuel mixture - not pure nitrogen and fuel. > >> > >> Leave it up to Ken to tell a great story ! > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" > >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:46 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question > >> > >> > >>> It seems to me a classic SU dirt problem. > >>> Debris is somewhere in float chamber and blocking from time to time the > >>> needle jet. > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> Chris > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > >> > >> > > > > Bill Babcock > > billb at bnj.com > > 503.936.7660 > > www.bnj.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 31 14:34:29 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 13:34:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: , <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com>, <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae>, <64BACA4B-B3ED-4D74-9CBF-7F6A78D61B82@bnj.com>, <21DAB3B5-7C5A-4FF8-BA3B-09368EF362DF@seiri.com> Message-ID: Kas, I found an exception to your trademark motto. If you want to be beaten by equipment, take up golf. Even the most expensive equipment will render you helpless. :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:28 PM To: bownes at seiri.com; billb at bnj.com Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Boy, is that ever a stretch of the imagination. Never be beaten by equipment From wensley_tr at comcast.net Tue May 31 14:47:26 2011 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 16:47:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: , <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com>, <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae>, <64BACA4B-B3ED-4D74-9CBF-7F6A78D61B82@bnj.com>, <21DAB3B5-7C5A-4FF8-BA3B-09368EF362DF@seiri.com> Message-ID: <003101cc1fd3$f57a5f60$e06f1e20$@net> take up golf. Even the most expensive equipment will render you helpless. That's so true Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:34 PM To: 'Kas Kastner'; bownes at seiri.com; billb at bnj.com Cc: 'fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Kas, I found an exception to your trademark motto. If you want to be beaten by equipment, take up golf. Even the most expensive equipment will render you helpless. :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:28 PM To: bownes at seiri.com; billb at bnj.com Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Boy, is that ever a stretch of the imagination. Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue May 31 15:40:36 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 16:40:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Race report from Blackhawk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D3B8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << In other Triumph news... Scott Barr had a solid run in his Spitfire moving up through the field from the back of the grid to finish 10th. He moved up 10 spots. >> We had a great day, too. I got no qualifying time, as we cleverly located a broken wheel stud just as we were getting ready to go out for qualifying. So I started at the back of the grid and had a hoot working my way up through the field. In the wet, it becomes really clear what a great little car the Spitfire is. Even though they all steam past on the straights, you get to reel them in and pass them in the twisty bits. The video I shot with the new GoPro cam looks good. But it does shut off unexpectedly near the end of the race. Has anyone gotten an answer from GoPro as to why it does that and how to prevent it? Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 2:58 PM To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] Race report and Gt6 Tie rod set? Amici, I had my best racing weekend to date at blackhawk farms this weekend. My GT6 was on fire. I started 10th after qualifying on dry tires in the pouring rain. With off and on heavy rain before the race I had no choice but to go out on rain tires... then it stopped raining just as we made our way to the grid. Looking for wetness on the outside of turns and taking some very strange lines to keep my tires cool on the drying track I kept getting faster and faster as the race went on, lapping very fast cars and picking off cars at a rapid pace. With a few laps left, I saw the leader in sight and made a hard charge for the front now with little regard for conserving the tires.I was back and forth for second many times. With one lap to go I was 3rd, nose to tail 1,2,3 with lapped traffic in the mix ahead of us. Out of the last turn we dragged raced 3 wide to the checkered. I ended up in second place, .02 ahead of third and just missing my first victory...a mere .8 second behind. It was totally awesome. In other Triumph news... Scott Barr had a solid run in his Spitfire moving up through the field from the back of the grid to finish 10th. He moved up 10 spots. The only other Triumph, Gade Snodgrass,Running in the F prod group Broke his 3rd rear trans extension in as many races, and is struggling to figure out how to get his Tilton clutch to work properly. ??? From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue May 31 16:03:05 2011 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 22:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Laguna crew pass In-Reply-To: <985679157.973512.1306879377716.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1625013145.973515.1306879385457.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Thanks for the response to my crew pass inquiry. I think that there usually isn't a cover to this event and if there is, no problem. I may have made a $20 donation at this HMSA event before, but a crew pass gets special access to parking in the paddock and perhaps hot pit access if need be. So I thought I'd put a call out for a crew pass. I guess we're all just winging it for now. See ya'll there, Dave From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue May 31 17:11:18 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 16:11:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae> References: <000e01cc1ad9$c4706f30$4d514d90$@com> <3B61A1ACF6B9418D9C6109E1DD57BB69@elliott7455dae> Message-ID: <003f01cc1fe8$0cfd6ab0$26f84010$@rr.com> > Ken Gillanders told me a racing story many years ago from the late > 1950s. > Maybe it applies here. Seems like I heard the same story from Ken, except it was Halon rather than nitrogen and it only affected the car immediately behind the rear bumper. Still just a good story IMO, but it doesn't take much Halon to seriously mess with combustion. Of course, that would have to make it in the 60s, since I don't think Halon was invented until 1960 or so. -- Randall From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Tue May 31 18:33:59 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 20:33:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit parts Message-ID: Amici, I was going threw some of my extra spit parts. They need a new home and I need the money and space. I have: Hard top $200. glass is in good shape. one small dent. needs new seals and trim and headliner. some rust around driver corner. Smog pump. doesn't turn. FREE Triumph center caps $10. 7 black, 2 missing triumph sticker. 2 silver. I know I have another 4 black somewhere. Seat belts $10. Stock faded black. doesn't retract. have all the parts Lucas starters $10. Have 3 and no idea if they work and could care less. Frame for 74 $100. Straight, painted black, outriggers not bent. Tub for 74 $100. Needs floors and have NEW floors for it. Passenger rocker could use inner, outer is fine. Needs very little work. No dents. Doors for 74 $50 for both. Has window and mechanisms. No interior panel or outside handle. No dents and no rust that I can see. I have pictures for all listed I have some other parts also. I figured I would offer them to the FOT before going ebay with them. I do travel to a few races and can easily bring them. Christopher Bock www.SeaCubeCo.com SeaCubeCo at aol.com (609) 319-4322 From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue May 31 18:57:44 2011 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 17:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <400896.34988.qm@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> http://www.djazmatic.com/find11.html From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 31 19:48:24 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 21:48:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna crew pass....camping, etc In-Reply-To: <1625013145.973515.1306879385457.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CDEE1520E5CDBB-820-BD09B@webmail-d177.sysops.aol.com> are we going to need anything special to get in with our rv and tent? sean, mark, brendan, jan, and i plan to camp at the track. hate to have any surprises after 2000 mile trip. any schedule yet? joe alexander -----Original Message----- From: davehogye To: Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 5:03 pm Subject: [Fot] Laguna crew pass Thanks for the response to my crew pass inquiry. I think that there usually isn't a cover to this event and if there is, no problem. I may have made a $20 donation at this HMSA event before, but a crew pass gets special access to parking in the paddock and perhaps hot pit access if need be. So I thought I'd put a call out for a crew pass. I guess we're all just winging it for now. See ya'll there, Dave _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue May 31 20:04:12 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:04:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna crew pass....camping, etc In-Reply-To: <8CDEE1520E5CDBB-820-BD09B@webmail-d177.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDEE1520E5CDBB-820-BD09B@webmail-d177.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DE59E1C.2050006@comcast.net> Joe I sent an e-mail off last night toCris Vandagriff who sent out the confirmation e-mails and said they were working on the race groups and schedule. I asked for the schedule and entry list. So far, no response. Our drive is a lot shorter, but we leave Friday morning and have the same concerns. Jim On 5/31/2011 6:48 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > are we going to need anything special to get in with our rv and tent? > > sean, mark, brendan, jan, and i plan to camp at the track. > > hate to have any surprises after 2000 mile trip. > > any schedule yet? > > joe alexander > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: davehogye > To: Fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 5:03 pm > Subject: [Fot] Laguna crew pass > > > Thanks for the response to my crew pass inquiry. I think that there usually > isn't a cover to this event and if there is, no problem. I may have made a $20 > donation at this HMSA event before, but a crew pass gets special access to > parking in the paddock and perhaps hot pit access if need be. So I thought I'd > put a call out for a crew pass. I guess we're all just winging it for now. > See ya'll there, > Dave > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Tue May 31 20:27:13 2011 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 12:27:13 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Diff Message-ID: Amici Can someone please help me out with the pinion height for setting up a new diff and what are the datum points ie top of pinion head to what point in case. I seem to remember someone having this info Geoff Byrne TR6 racer Down Under From goodparts at verizon.net Tue May 31 20:27:46 2011 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 22:27:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cam Timing Degree Specs In-Reply-To: <4DE53BDC.2020807@charter.net> References: <4DE53BDC.2020807@charter.net> Message-ID: Glenn, The timing specs for the late TR6 cam are: Intake open 18 deg BTDC, close 58 deg ABDC Exhaust open 58 deg BBDC, close 18 deg ATDC I believe these timing specs are supposed to be point of opening/closing. If that is the case, with valve clearance spec of .010" at the valve, the tappet has to move .010" divided by rocker ratio of 1.45:1 = .007" before the valve starts opening. So you should be able to time to these specs at .007" of tappet lift. Stock cams I have checked appear to have this advertised duration at about .010" tappet lift so you may have to go to .010" to get these timing points to hold out. I have never seen .050" timing specs for the stock cam but the ones I have checked appear to have about 210 deg duration at .050" so the timing specs would be: Intake open 5 deg ATDC, close 35 deg ABDC Exhaust open 35 deg BBDC, close 5 deg BTDC Regards, Richard Good Good Parts Inc. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Franco" Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 3:05 PM To: "Friends of triumph" ; <6pack at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Cam Timing Degree Specs > Hi > I putting a late model 74 TR6 back together after a rebuild. > I'm attempting to time the cam. This one has no marks on the gears since > it had been replaced. > I have the degree wheel set up but I'm having difficulty finding the cam > specs for a stock TR6 Cam? > And if found what amount of lift does the specs relate to (.050"??) on > this engine. > Can anyone out there point me in the right direction. > The head has not been installed and I have the degree wheel set and the > dial indicator taking measurements off the pushrod. > Thanks in advance > Glenn From mark at bradakis.com Tue May 31 21:01:54 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 21:01:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <400896.34988.qm@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <400896.34988.qm@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DE5ABA2.8030806@bradakis.com> I've moved Ernie's address to moderated, so no further crap from his hacked account should reach the list. Sorry I still don't have the tools in place to catch this beforehand. mjb.