From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Tue Mar  1 05:59:09 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 04:59:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Stag Transmission Parts
In-Reply-To: <4D6C2EF7.8040701@charter.net>
Message-ID: <341662.14882.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Glenn: As Randall mantioned many cars used the BW 35 and BW 65. I have two
65's sitting in the shop from a recent conversion of a STag to a BMW ZF
4-speed box. The TR7 also used the BW 65 when bought as an automatic. The Stag
Club is the best source for parts. Try www.triumphstagclubusa.org  or 
www.triumphstagclub.org  or www.tscusa.org .
They are all linl to their website.
Thanks - Ed
 
--- On Mon, 2/28/11, Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net> wrote:


From: Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net>
Subject: [Fot] Stag Transmission Parts
To: 6pack at autox.team.net, "Friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 5:25 PM


Hi
I'm trying to locate a source for the Borg Warner Automatic Transmission parts
for a Club Members Stag.
I have the Automatic Stripped down and I'm having a difficult time locating
parts. I need the standard stuff for a rebuild. Gaskets, seals clutches and
steels and a few other parts.
Rimmer doesn't have anything much on their website.
Does anyone out there  have a source for these parts. The usual suppliers
don't have any stock for the British built Automatic.
Are there any Stag Mail Lists I could post a message on?
Thanks in advance
Glenn Franco
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From jsclark at live.ca  Tue Mar  1 07:21:52 2011
From: jsclark at live.ca (Jeff Clark)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 09:21:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help
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EBC has both O.E. replacement rotors and sport slotted. I use Keystone as a
supplier I see online they're available through Summit as well, for my '71 GT6
the part # for O.E. is UPR197 slotted # is GD197
http://ebcbrakes.iwebcat.com/_Members/lookups/lookup.asp?hdnUK=27866&hdnSts=0
if the link works it should take you to thier catalog
Hope this helps
Jeff Clark

> From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:35:37 -0600
> Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help
>
> Hey Listers,
>
> What's the best source for GT6 rotors for a racing Spitfire. I know of all
the
> normal outlets for pats, but am concerned that I get the best quality for
the
> purpose of racing. I plan to cyro the rotors and would really like some
that
> are slotted if anyone knows of them somewhere. As always thanks!!
>
> Mark Craig
> 615-347-0260
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From jhouathome at aol.com  Tue Mar  1 09:59:36 2011
From: jhouathome at aol.com (jhouathome at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 11:59:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Belts and Harnesses
In-Reply-To: <BLU156-w318503112B61470A70F6CDBADE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU156-w318503112B61470A70F6CDBADE0@phx.gbl>
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My feeling is that the real key lies not in 5 vs 6 points, but in several
other factors.  What is the seat design, and what is the design of the harness
mounting points?  The brunt of the force in a crash should be spread across
the hips and pelvis, never by the anti-sub straps.  The shoulder harness is to
restrict forward movement of the torso.  The anti-sub is mostly to hold the
lap-belt in place, not to grab you by the crotch and keep you from moving
forward, although it does do this as a secondary function.  (If you take the
full-force of a crash in the crotch, you have big problems, and not just the
obvious!)  Many configurations have the lab-belt riding too high, over the
stomach, which really defeats the design of the system.  Some seats cannot
accomodate a 6 point system effectively, and in any case a properly designed,
installed, and used 5 point is equally effective in a sports car.  The guiding
principle is that the seat, belts, roll structure, and HANS (or similar) are
to be used as a single intigrated system, never thought of as seperate
components.  The best equipment will fail to protect unless it is all
functioning together properly.  I use 5 point systems in sports cars, 6 point
in formula cars.

Bottom line for me is that if you are replacing a 5 point system, and the car
was properly designed for that system, do not change it.  You won't gain
anything except another belt to deal with.  If in doubt call someone who works
in tech and they can advise on your specific car.

John






-----Original Message-----
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Feb 28, 2011 11:37 am
Subject: [Fot] Belts and Harnesses


I will probably end up buying a new set of harnesses for the Spit this year.
or autoxing all that was required was 4 points.  For the Spit I will need to
o 5 or 6 point.  Is there any strong opinions as to which is better? I would
hink the 6 point would be more, er, forgiving in case of being actually put
o use.  What say the masses?
Thanks,
arty
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar  2 08:30:41 2011
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 07:30:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] SVRA @ Sebring
Message-ID: <114672.79904.qm@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Amici,

Anyone from this esteemed group running at Sebring later this month?

Doug

From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Mar  2 10:23:48 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 11:23:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] SVRA @ Sebring
In-Reply-To: <114672.79904.qm@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <114672.79904.qm@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20110302172354.9EFA7187679@autox.team.net>

I believe that Bob Wismer is going, but don't think he's on the FOT 
list.  Not sure if he's in the TR-4 or the Thunderbolt this year.

- Tony

At 09:30 AM 3/2/2011, Doug Mitchell wrote:
>Amici,
>
>Anyone from this esteemed group running at Sebring later this month?
>
>Doug

From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Wed Mar  2 10:41:59 2011
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 17:41:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] sliding spline rear axles
Message-ID: <195477921.1591167.1299087719333.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hello:



Pending an inspection within the next couple of days to confirm, I suspect I
need to replace worn sliding rear axle assembliesB on my stock, 1969 TR6.B 
Anyone have experience with this procedure that could offer some
tips/suggestions before I dive in to attempt the job?B  I know Moss, Good
Parts andB Victoria BritishB products,B are there other sources for stock
axles?B  Thanks.



Gary

From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Mar  2 10:44:25 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 12:44:25 EST
Subject: [Fot] SVRA @ Sebring
Message-ID: <db370.755474e9.3a9fdbf9@aol.com>

In a message dated 03/02/2011 11:24:21 AM Central Standard Time, 
tony at tonydrews.com writes:


> I believe that Bob Wismer is going, but don't think he's on the FOT 
> list.  Not sure if he's in the TR-4 or the Thunderbolt this year.
> 
> 

Bob Wismer leaves for down south (with the Thunder Bolt) in a week or so, 
but he is NOT going to run Sebring.  He's run the vintage sessions at the 
Twelve Hours of Sebring for years and years, but will skip it this year.  For 
anyone who has not run it, its a great event to do, and a real happening.  It 
is exciting to be a part of it.  But if you rate events based on track 
time, etc.  It does not rate very high at all.

I believe Bob will run the vintage sessions at an SCCA near Miami and also 
VDCA's VIR event instead.

Bill Dentinger

From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Mar  2 11:04:28 2011
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 13:04:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] sliding spline rear axles
In-Reply-To: <195477921.1591167.1299087719333.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <195477921.1591167.1299087719333.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinLFdu6bHWC2XKi6aEnOb17jL_x0AqDsnf5_2qa@mail.gmail.com>

Assuming you have the replacements in hand, the procedure is dead simple.

Jack up car, secure.

Remove rear wheel, brake drum.

Undo 6 7/16" (iirc) nuts holding hub carrier to trailing arm.

Slide out hub and outer sliding axle. Put on bench.

Remove 4 9'16" (iirc again) bolt/nut pairs holding inner axle assy and U
joint to diff. Remove, put on bench with other half.

Got to bench. Replace ujoints, axles.

reassembly is the reverse of disassembly.

DO NOT OVERTORQUE THE TINY NUTS ON THE STUDS HOLDING THE HUB TO THE TRAILING
ARM. The torque spec is not a misprint, it really is something tiny.

If you strip out the trailing arms, you are royally screwed as there isn't a
lot of room to helicoil the holes or the like.

I've got this down to about a 45 minute job per side. A very long 3/8"
rachet extension is a big help.

Best of luck.
Bob


On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:41 PM, <vintage.racer at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hello:
>
>
>
> Pending an inspection within the next couple of days to confirm, I suspect
> I
> need to replace worn sliding rear axle assembliesB on my stock, 1969 TR6.B
> Anyone have experience with this procedure that could offer some
> tips/suggestions before I dive in to attempt the job?B  I know Moss, Good
> Parts andB Victoria BritishB products,B are there other sources for stock
> axles?B  Thanks.
>
>
>
> Gary
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Mar  2 11:17:52 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:17:52 -0800
Subject: [Fot] sliding spline rear axles
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinLFdu6bHWC2XKi6aEnOb17jL_x0AqDsnf5_2qa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <195477921.1591167.1299087719333.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<AANLkTinLFdu6bHWC2XKi6aEnOb17jL_x0AqDsnf5_2qa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <176401cbd906$26defc10$749cf430$@rr.com>

> If you strip out the trailing arms, you are royally screwed as there
> isn't a
> lot of room to helicoil the holes or the like.

Someone, I forget who offhand, is selling a jig to help with installing
Helicoils.  From what I hear, it works well.

You might also want to look into the "improved" shafts available from
Goodparts.  Rumor has it that they are cost-effective even for just a hub
rebuild.

-- Randall 

From cofrog at q.com  Wed Mar  2 11:35:06 2011
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:35:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Goodparts Springs For Sale
Message-ID: <SNT140-w593024AC97D183E70C9F7ED4C00@phx.gbl>

I have a set of front and rear Goodparts springs for TR4a-TR6 I'd like to
sell.  They list for $89/pair.  I'll sell for $100 for all four plus
shipping.

Thanks,

Dan Forgey

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Mar  2 12:41:19 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 14:41:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] sliding spline rear axles
In-Reply-To: <176401cbd906$26defc10$749cf430$@rr.com>
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	<176401cbd906$26defc10$749cf430$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1103021440010.19529@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 2 Mar 2011, Randall wrote:

>> If you strip out the trailing arms, you are royally screwed as there
>> isn't a
>> lot of room to helicoil the holes or the like.
>
> Someone, I forget who offhand, is selling a jig to help with installing
> Helicoils.  From what I hear, it works well.

http://www.pattonmachine.com/

Rick Patton.

Great guy. A real enthusiast!!!!

Plus he's from Maine. I hear the voice of Bobstah the Lobstah.

:-)

rml
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  2 12:48:35 2011
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 13:48:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] sliding spline rear axles
In-Reply-To: <176401cbd906$26defc10$749cf430$@rr.com>
References: <195477921.1591167.1299087719333.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<AANLkTinLFdu6bHWC2XKi6aEnOb17jL_x0AqDsnf5_2qa@mail.gmail.com>
	<176401cbd906$26defc10$749cf430$@rr.com>
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Patton machine makes the jig. I don't remember how much it cost but it is well
worth it. Go ahead and heli-coil all of the stud holes not just the bad ones.
BTW the splines don't slide when torque is applied. Just so you know, that's
another reason why Richard Goods Cv system is good. I just wish I could afford
them.

Mike #28 EP TR6

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 2, 2011, at 12:17 PM, "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

>> If you strip out the trailing arms, you are royally screwed as there
>> isn't a
>> lot of room to helicoil the holes or the like.
>
> Someone, I forget who offhand, is selling a jig to help with installing
> Helicoils.  From what I hear, it works well.
>
> You might also want to look into the "improved" shafts available from
> Goodparts.  Rumor has it that they are cost-effective even for just a

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Mar  2 12:56:50 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 19:56:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] sliding spline rear axles
In-Reply-To: <2F4595E6-5D12-4512-9280-803D8664A59E@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1486346532.1119314.1299095810562.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I'm making the CV/hub conversion in the next couple weeks. Although I haven't
experienced

spline lock, ( that I know of anyway )B I have been on the stock hubs for far
too long so

I'm just going to do both at the same time. It's a small amount to pay
considering the potential

damage a broken hub can do.



jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Munson" <fasttrs at yahoo.com>
To: "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: "of Triumph" <FOT at autox.team.net>, Friends at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2011 12:48:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] sliding spline rear axles

Patton machine makes the jig. I don't remember how much it cost but it is well
worth it. Go ahead and heli-coil all of the stud holes not just the bad ones.
BTW the splines don't slide when torque is applied. Just so you know, that's
another reason why Richard Goods Cv system is good. I just wish I could afford
them.

Mike #28 EP TR6

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 2, 2011, at 12:17 PM, "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

>> If you strip out the trailing arms, you are royally screwed as there
>> isn't a
>> lot of room to helicoil the holes or the like.
>
> Someone, I forget who offhand, is selling a jig to help with installing
> Helicoils. B From what I hear, it works well.
>
> You might also want to look into the "improved" shafts available from
> Goodparts. B Rumor has it that they are cost-effective even for just a
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From cofrog at q.com  Wed Mar  2 13:46:39 2011
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 20:46:39 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Goodparts Springs
Message-ID: <SNT140-w10BEDA8559EA65F80D6425D4C00@phx.gbl>

They've sold.

From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Wed Mar  2 15:16:22 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 17:16:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wismer at VIR
In-Reply-To: <db370.755474e9.3a9fdbf9@aol.com>
References: <db370.755474e9.3a9fdbf9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <op.vrqlhkf6airs7i@don-pc.belkin>

Bill, please make sure Bob knows to look us up in the Triumph Ghetto at  
VIR in April.  We'll probably be up on the hill to the west of the  
entrance as usual.  You should come too.

In case anyone isn't aware, the VDCA event at VIR seems to have become the  
premier spring event for Triumphs on the east coast.  Not only is the  
facility among the best in the nation but the amount of track time is  
unmatched anywhere, and at a very reasonable price. Last year we had a  
bunch of TRs, most of which were still running for Sunday afternoon's  
feature race.  If you can come, please join us in the Triumph Ghetto for  
our traditional surf n turf cookout on Friday night, which this year  
should include alligator, complements of our seafood provider and TR4  
racer Rob Deanes.

According to the VDCA website, "The Ninth Annual Wild Hare Run at VIR is a  
3-day event at this spectacular facility.  Friday will offer 3 practice  
sessions and our patented Wild Hare Run for all comers.  Saturday  morning  
practice will be followed by Saturday afternoon's Feature Races.  Sunday  
morning includes the VDCA Enduro and the Sunday races are in the  
afternoon.  There is no additional charge for either the Australian  
Pursuit race or the Enduro."  All this track time for only $400 plus free  
food.  Not bad.  Don


On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 12:44:25 -0500, <BillDentin at aol.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 03/02/2011 11:24:21 AM Central Standard Time,
> tony at tonydrews.com writes:
>
>
>> I believe that Bob Wismer is going, but don't think he's on the FOT
>> list.  Not sure if he's in the TR-4 or the Thunderbolt this year.
>>
>>
>
> Bob Wismer leaves for down south (with the Thunder Bolt) in a week or so,
> but he is NOT going to run Sebring.  He's run the vintage sessions at the
> Twelve Hours of Sebring for years and years, but will skip it this  
> year.  For
> anyone who has not run it, its a great event to do, and a real  
> happening.  It
> is exciting to be a part of it.  But if you rate events based on track
> time, etc.  It does not rate very high at all.
>
> I believe Bob will run the vintage sessions at an SCCA near Miami and  
> also
> VDCA's VIR event instead.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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>
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From lfritz82 at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  2 19:45:57 2011
From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 21:45:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <SNT143-w58F6AA05FC2286E1EAAFC5DAC30@phx.gbl>

Hi.   I have  a friend that would like to trade 4 or 5 early tr250/6 wheels
for later ones.  These are the wheels that have the long stids to accept the
mag style hub caps.  We are in central Pa.  Thanks   Lorne Fritz

From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Mar  2 22:34:22 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:34:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Wismer at VIR
In-Reply-To: <op.vrqlhkf6airs7i@don-pc.belkin>
References: <db370.755474e9.3a9fdbf9@aol.com> <op.vrqlhkf6airs7i@don-pc.belkin>
Message-ID: <20110303053429.65FE218763E@autox.team.net>

I'll be at the VDCA VIR event in April, it's an awesome way to start 
the racing season for me.  Dennis Delap is planning to attend as well 
in either his TR-4 or his TR powered TVR - my money's on the TVR.

- Tony Drews

At 04:16 PM 3/2/2011, Don Marshall wrote:
>Bill, please make sure Bob knows to look us up in the Triumph Ghetto at
>VIR in April.  We'll probably be up on the hill to the west of the
>entrance as usual.  You should come too.
>
>In case anyone isn't aware, the VDCA event at VIR seems to have become the
>premier spring event for Triumphs on the east coast.  Not only is the
>facility among the best in the nation but the amount of track time is
>unmatched anywhere, and at a very reasonable price. Last year we had a
>bunch of TRs, most of which were still running for Sunday afternoon's
>feature race.  If you can come, please join us in the Triumph Ghetto for
>our traditional surf n turf cookout on Friday night, which this year
>should include alligator, complements of our seafood provider and TR4
>racer Rob Deanes.
>
>According to the VDCA website, "The Ninth Annual Wild Hare Run at VIR is a
>3-day event at this spectacular facility.  Friday will offer 3 practice
>sessions and our patented Wild Hare Run for all comers.  Saturday  morning
>practice will be followed by Saturday afternoon's Feature Races.  Sunday
>morning includes the VDCA Enduro and the Sunday races are in the
>afternoon.  There is no additional charge for either the Australian
>Pursuit race or the Enduro."  All this track time for only $400 plus free
>food.  Not bad.  Don

From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Mar  3 04:13:17 2011
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 06:13:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wismer at VIR
In-Reply-To: <20110303053429.65FE218763E@autox.team.net>
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	<20110303053429.65FE218763E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <001001cbd993$ff788720$fe699560$@rr.com>

I plan on being there and I believe Henry Frye and Jeff Snook also will be
there. Hopefully the snow banks will be low enough we can get the rigs out.
Donn Sopp won't make it this year due to injury.

So, can we get a Triumph count yet? I have never been there before and will
be following Henry down. Is there an area where all TR types migrate to? 

Russ Moore
Spitfire #49

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:34 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Wismer at VIR

I'll be at the VDCA VIR event in April, it's an awesome way to start 
the racing season for me.  Dennis Delap is planning to attend as well 
in either his TR-4 or his TR powered TVR - my money's on the TVR.

- Tony Drews

At 04:16 PM 3/2/2011, Don Marshall wrote:
>Bill, please make sure Bob knows to look us up in the Triumph Ghetto at
>VIR in April.  We'll probably be up on the hill to the west of the
>entrance as usual.  You should come too.
>
>In case anyone isn't aware, the VDCA event at VIR seems to have become the
>premier spring event for Triumphs on the east coast.  Not only is the
>facility among the best in the nation but the amount of track time is
>unmatched anywhere, and at a very reasonable price. Last year we had a
>bunch of TRs, most of which were still running for Sunday afternoon's
>feature race.  If you can come, please join us in the Triumph Ghetto for
>our traditional surf n turf cookout on Friday night, which this year
>should include alligator, complements of our seafood provider and TR4
>racer Rob Deanes.
>
>According to the VDCA website, "The Ninth Annual Wild Hare Run at VIR is a
>3-day event at this spectacular facility.  Friday will offer 3 practice
>sessions and our patented Wild Hare Run for all comers.  Saturday  morning
>practice will be followed by Saturday afternoon's Feature Races.  Sunday
>morning includes the VDCA Enduro and the Sunday races are in the
>afternoon.  There is no additional charge for either the Australian
>Pursuit race or the Enduro."  All this track time for only $400 plus free
>food.  Not bad.  Don
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From susank at 141.com  Thu Mar  3 04:58:11 2011
From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 06:58:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wismer at VIR
In-Reply-To: <001001cbd993$ff788720$fe699560$@rr.com>
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	<001001cbd993$ff788720$fe699560$@rr.com>
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Hi Russ!

I hope Donny is okay! Please give him our well wishes.

We plan on being there, and yes, there is the Triumph Ghetto. Drive to 
the paddock area, turn left and go up the slight hill. The first left 
will take you into the Ghetto (on your right). It's close to the 
bathrooms/showers and not too far from the gas pumps. There's power for 
RVs (need to pay for it and get your tag when you get there).

We look very forward to seeing you there!

Susan    :)


On 3/3/2011 6:13 AM, Spitfire Racing wrote:
> I plan on being there and I believe Henry Frye and Jeff Snook also will be
> there. Hopefully the snow banks will be low enough we can get the rigs out.
> Donn Sopp won't make it this year due to injury.
>
> So, can we get a Triumph count yet? I have never been there before and will
> be following Henry down. Is there an area where all TR types migrate to?
>
> Russ Moore
> Spitfire #49
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tony Drews
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:34 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Wismer at VIR
>
> I'll be at the VDCA VIR event in April, it's an awesome way to start
> the racing season for me.  Dennis Delap is planning to attend as well
> in either his TR-4 or his TR powered TVR - my money's on the TVR.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 04:16 PM 3/2/2011, Don Marshall wrote:
>> Bill, please make sure Bob knows to look us up in the Triumph Ghetto at
>> VIR in April.  We'll probably be up on the hill to the west of the
>> entrance as usual.  You should come too.
>>
>> In case anyone isn't aware, the VDCA event at VIR seems to have become the
>> premier spring event for Triumphs on the east coast.  Not only is the
>> facility among the best in the nation but the amount of track time is
>> unmatched anywhere, and at a very reasonable price. Last year we had a
>> bunch of TRs, most of which were still running for Sunday afternoon's
>> feature race.  If you can come, please join us in the Triumph Ghetto for
>> our traditional surf n turf cookout on Friday night, which this year
>> should include alligator, complements of our seafood provider and TR4
>> racer Rob Deanes.
>>
>> According to the VDCA website, "The Ninth Annual Wild Hare Run at VIR is a
>> 3-day event at this spectacular facility.  Friday will offer 3 practice
>> sessions and our patented Wild Hare Run for all comers.  Saturday  morning
>> practice will be followed by Saturday afternoon's Feature Races.  Sunday
>> morning includes the VDCA Enduro and the Sunday races are in the
>> afternoon.  There is no additional charge for either the Australian
>> Pursuit race or the Enduro."  All this track time for only $400 plus free
>> food.  Not bad.  Don
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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Thu Mar  3 04:58:24 2011
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 06:58:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wismer at VIR
In-Reply-To: <001001cbd993$ff788720$fe699560$@rr.com>
References: <db370.755474e9.3a9fdbf9@aol.com> <op.vrqlhkf6airs7i@don-pc.belkin>
	<20110303053429.65FE218763E@autox.team.net>
	<001001cbd993$ff788720$fe699560$@rr.com>
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We're going to try and make it.  All I have to do is build Susan a new
engine and get it installed in the car all while being gone for the
next two weeks.

Worst case is I'll get it installed and have the Triumph Ghetto
attendee's help hook things up :)

Brad
(Susan's chief mechanic)

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 6:13 AM, Spitfire Racing
<spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> I plan on being there and I believe Henry Frye and Jeff Snook also will be
> there. Hopefully the snow banks will be low enough we can get the rigs out.
> Donn Sopp won't make it this year due to injury.
>
> So, can we get a Triumph count yet? I have never been there before and will
> be following Henry down. Is there an area where all TR types migrate to?
>
> Russ Moore
> Spitfire #49
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tony Drews
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:34 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Wismer at VIR
>
> I'll be at the VDCA VIR event in April, it's an awesome way to start
> the racing season for me.  Dennis Delap is planning to attend as well
> in either his TR-4 or his TR powered TVR - my money's on the TVR.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 04:16 PM 3/2/2011, Don Marshall wrote:
>>Bill, please make sure Bob knows to look us up in the Triumph Ghetto at
>>VIR in April.  We'll probably be up on the hill to the west of the
>>entrance as usual.  You should come too.
>>
>>In case anyone isn't aware, the VDCA event at VIR seems to have become the
>>premier spring event for Triumphs on the east coast.  Not only is the
>>facility among the best in the nation but the amount of track time is
>>unmatched anywhere, and at a very reasonable price. Last year we had a
>>bunch of TRs, most of which were still running for Sunday afternoon's
>>feature race.  If you can come, please join us in the Triumph Ghetto for
>>our traditional surf n turf cookout on Friday night, which this year
>>should include alligator, complements of our seafood provider and TR4
>>racer Rob Deanes.
>>
>>According to the VDCA website, "The Ninth Annual Wild Hare Run at VIR is a
>>3-day event at this spectacular facility.  Friday will offer 3 practice
>>sessions and our patented Wild Hare Run for all comers.  Saturday  morning
>>practice will be followed by Saturday afternoon's Feature Races.  Sunday
>>morning includes the VDCA Enduro and the Sunday races are in the
>>afternoon.  There is no additional charge for either the Australian
>>Pursuit race or the Enduro."  All this track time for only $400 plus free
>>food.  Not bad.  Don
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From adcronin at mi.rr.com  Thu Mar  3 09:22:25 2011
From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 11:22:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: "Killed Myself When I Was Young"- A vintage crash
 compilation
References: <C26475D821404C71A9B0810996B6ECBF@JohnPC>
Message-ID: <38285A3D-3BF5-4A59-AA75-E42E86116339@mi.rr.com>

This is something else!
Dan

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Fred John" <v6sprite at charter.net>
> Date: March 3, 2011 10:20:49 AM EST
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Subject: Fw: "Killed Myself When I Was Young"- A vintage crash compilation
>
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:51 AM
> Subject: : "Killed Myself When I Was Young"- A vintage crash compilation
>
>
>
>
> Before roll cages and many safety improvements  including seat belts. These
guys were nuts.
>
> Dramatic Vintage Racing Crashes!
>
> http://vimeo.com/20247765
>
> __,_._,___

From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Thu Mar  3 10:33:07 2011
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:33:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: "Killed Myself When I Was Young"- A vintage crash
 compilation
In-Reply-To: <38285A3D-3BF5-4A59-AA75-E42E86116339@mi.rr.com>
References: <C26475D821404C71A9B0810996B6ECBF@JohnPC>,
	<38285A3D-3BF5-4A59-AA75-E42E86116339@mi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <SNT134-w1605276FEC307E1C09580390C30@phx.gbl>

There's another 1.43 seconds off any future lap time.................Henry
Morrison

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Mar  3 11:42:55 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:42:55 -0800
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup photo's
In-Reply-To: <20110227205600.C52CE18764E@autox.team.net>
References: <20110227205600.C52CE18764E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <190601cbd9d2$cfe25fb0$6fa71f10$@rr.com>

Here's a web site with Tim's photos, reduced to about 1Mb each:

http://tinyurl.com/4apw733

There is a link in the corner where you can download them if you wish.

-- Randall 

From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Thu Mar  3 16:07:09 2011
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 18:07:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Video on Vintage race crashes.
Message-ID: <EFB3AE9348174B37A7D37324B2D9BC4E@Bucktailus>

From: Robert Johns

Subject: "Killed Myself When I was Young" Video
Yes , You can make a rather good case that we were crazy to race with out the
safety features used today, but in defense, every one was in the same boat.
As I have said, when in Europe we used the Nurburgring to practice on.  A very
good friend, Norman Babcock, was driving his MG-TD on the Nurburgring and when
he came back up the straight, over the fence from the Start and Finish line,
into the first hard left, going over the bridge, he over cooked it and went
straight off the curve. The TD flipped end over end and he dropped out as the
car went over.  He dropped onto the grass  and was unhurt.  The TD was
totaled.  Dumb luck, but that is the way it was.  Being in the Air Force,  I
had access to the old belts being replaced with new,  in the fighter planes
that I worked on.  So I installed one in my car, but the Europeans did not
believe in them at that point in time.  So, I certainly can relate to those
old photos.  When I raced out West in 1956, roll bars were not required.
There was a fatality at Sebring in 1957 and at Meadowdale, IL.in 1958, both
with no roll bars.  In fact, because I dropped out of racing after Sebring, to
go to college, I never got to drive  a car with a roll bar or roll cage.  I am
sure that Kas will concur with how things were in those early days of Sport
Car racing. I think roll bars became required by SCCA in either 1959 or 1960.
R.C. Johns

From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Thu Mar  3 19:15:38 2011
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 20:15:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
Message-ID: <000001cbda12$0de0bd90$29a238b0$@rr.com>

I ran at TWS this past weekend and had some trouble with the TR3.  On Friday
and Saturday I could not get the engine to pull above 5500 RPM in 4th on the
front straight at TWS.  Coming out of the corners in 3rd, I was getting
6000rpm without issue.  I checked the timing and it was rock solid at
32degrees at 3000-5000rpm.  I run H6 carbs with RC needles and 0.100 jets.
I run twin facet cube pumps pushing fuel from the cell at the back.  

 

On Sunday, we noticed that my cross shaft (at the firewall) had lots of
slop.  It turns out that the cross shaft was rotating about 10 degrees
before it was pulling the little lever back that actuates throttle shaft.  I
had been checking the butter flies by moving the carb linkage at the carbs,
bad mistake.  My butter flies were not fully opening.  So we corrected that
problem (thanks Walt) and at the same time I replaced the Grosse Jets with
Viton tipped float needle valves.  Strange thing was I could not get the car
to run over 4500 rpm on the front straight or pulling out of the corners
after those two changes.  I tried going a bit then a lot richer (to the
point the car would hardly start) thinking that I had just introduced a lot
more airflow at full throttle, but that did not help. 

 

Any ideas?  I'd like to solve this one at home but I can't replicate the
full load and this problem does not manifest until under full load.

Thanks,

 

Greg 

From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  3 19:16:13 2011
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (T Thompson)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 18:16:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup - Topeka 2010 Photos
Message-ID: <31835.40231.qm@web65701.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

A little late!, but I just posted about 30 photos to Photobucket. I know there 
are a few that fellow racers in CO may want, and I have some group photos as 
well for others. 


Use this link....

http://s947.photobucket.com/albums/ad312/tr4vintageracer/

Enjoy,

Ty

From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Mar  3 19:29:05 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 18:29:05 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
References: <000001cbda12$0de0bd90$29a238b0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <70DCE34667034C08A3C71EF2AA68E763@Bud>

loose throttle shaft between the carbs..one carb opening all the way..the 
other not completely...clamps slipping on the rod..RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 6:15 PM
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm


>I ran at TWS this past weekend and had some trouble with the TR3.  On 
>Friday
> and Saturday I could not get the engine to pull above 5500 RPM in 4th on 
> the
> front straight at TWS.  Coming out of the corners in 3rd, I was getting
> 6000rpm without issue.  I checked the timing and it was rock solid at
> 32degrees at 3000-5000rpm.  I run H6 carbs with RC needles and 0.100 jets.
> I run twin facet cube pumps pushing fuel from the cell at the back.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, we noticed that my cross shaft (at the firewall) had lots of
> slop.  It turns out that the cross shaft was rotating about 10 degrees
> before it was pulling the little lever back that actuates throttle shaft. 
> I
> had been checking the butter flies by moving the carb linkage at the 
> carbs,
> bad mistake.  My butter flies were not fully opening.  So we corrected 
> that
> problem (thanks Walt) and at the same time I replaced the Grosse Jets with
> Viton tipped float needle valves.  Strange thing was I could not get the 
> car
> to run over 4500 rpm on the front straight or pulling out of the corners
> after those two changes.  I tried going a bit then a lot richer (to the
> point the car would hardly start) thinking that I had just introduced a 
> lot
> more airflow at full throttle, but that did not help.
>
>
>
> Any ideas?  I'd like to solve this one at home but I can't replicate the
> full load and this problem does not manifest until under full load.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Greg
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Thu Mar  3 20:38:30 2011
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 03:38:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Differential Play
Message-ID: <379670956.1696730.1299209910560.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

My recent post about possible "sloppy"B sliding spline rear axles on my street
TR6 provedB not to be the problem after an inspection.B  It now appears there
might be excessive "play" in the stock diff which was determined by jacking up
theB rear of the car, putting it in gear then rockingB a wheel back and
forth.B  I could move the wheel a fair amount beforeB I could feelB it engage
the diff.B  B I compared this withB myB TR4 racerB which was almost no "play"
but that might not be a valid comparison as the TR4 has a Quaiffe LSD.B  How
much "play" should there be in a stock TR6 diff assuming the spline axles are
in good shape?B  Thanks.



Gary

1969 TR6B B B 
B 

From lfritz82 at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  3 22:29:42 2011
From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 00:29:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 wheels
Message-ID: <SNT143-w371FCA32B203393C1CA284DAC20@phx.gbl>

Hi,   I have a friend who would like to trade his TR250/early TR6 wheels with
pegs for stock fake mag hub caps  for later TR6 wheels.  We are in central Pa.
Thanks,  Lorne

From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Mar  4 00:43:14 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 01:43:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
In-Reply-To: <000001cbda12$0de0bd90$29a238b0$@rr.com>
References: <000001cbda12$0de0bd90$29a238b0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <20110304074321.D0408187657@autox.team.net>

Are you running a fuel pressure regulator?  Any gunk in the fuel 
filter(s)?  Kinda sounds like problems we had long ago due to not 
enough fuel flow - in our case taking out the fuel pressure regulator 
solved it.  We also seemed to have an occasional problem where we 
think we were setting up a vibration in the float bowls of the carbs, 
but that was at more like 5500 RPM.

I'd try new pumps, check fuel filter, remove pressure regulator 
(those Facets don't put out much pressure anyway), look at what kind 
of diameter fuel line (I run 3/16" ID / -6 Aeroquip).  Double check 
float level, make sure the needles aren't sticking, look for junk in 
the bottom of the float bowls (probably need to take carbs apart to 
blow everything out).  If backing off of the gas seems to get you 
more RPM's, I strongly suspect a fuel delivery problem - that's how 
the regulator restriction acted.

Starting point, anyway...

Tony Drews

At 08:15 PM 3/3/2011, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:
>I ran at TWS this past weekend and had some trouble with the TR3.  On Friday
>and Saturday I could not get the engine to pull above 5500 RPM in 4th on the
>front straight at TWS.  Coming out of the corners in 3rd, I was getting
>6000rpm without issue.  I checked the timing and it was rock solid at
>32degrees at 3000-5000rpm.  I run H6 carbs with RC needles and 0.100 jets.
>I run twin facet cube pumps pushing fuel from the cell at the back.
>
>
>
>On Sunday, we noticed that my cross shaft (at the firewall) had lots of
>slop.  It turns out that the cross shaft was rotating about 10 degrees
>before it was pulling the little lever back that actuates throttle shaft.  I
>had been checking the butter flies by moving the carb linkage at the carbs,
>bad mistake.  My butter flies were not fully opening.  So we corrected that
>problem (thanks Walt) and at the same time I replaced the Grosse Jets with
>Viton tipped float needle valves.  Strange thing was I could not get the car
>to run over 4500 rpm on the front straight or pulling out of the corners
>after those two changes.  I tried going a bit then a lot richer (to the
>point the car would hardly start) thinking that I had just introduced a lot
>more airflow at full throttle, but that did not help.
>
>
>
>Any ideas?  I'd like to solve this one at home but I can't replicate the
>full load and this problem does not manifest until under full load.
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>
>Greg
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Fri Mar  4 05:58:03 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 04:58:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
In-Reply-To: <20110304074321.D0408187657@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <208540.88017.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tony: I hope you meant that you run 3/8" line and not 3/16". I can't imagine
3/16" would be enough.
-Ed-

--- On Fri, 3/4/11, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:


From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
To: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>, fot at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 1:43 AM


Are you running a fuel pressure regulator?  Any gunk in the fuel
filter(s)?  Kinda sounds like problems we had long ago due to not
enough fuel flow - in our case taking out the fuel pressure regulator
solved it.  We also seemed to have an occasional problem where we
think we were setting up a vibration in the float bowls of the carbs,
but that was at more like 5500 RPM.

I'd try new pumps, check fuel filter, remove pressure regulator
(those Facets don't put out much pressure anyway), look at what kind
of diameter fuel line (I run 3/16" ID / -6 Aeroquip).  Double check
float level, make sure the needles aren't sticking, look for junk in
the bottom of the float bowls (probably need to take carbs apart to
blow everything out).  If backing off of the gas seems to get you
more RPM's, I strongly suspect a fuel delivery problem - that's how
the regulator restriction acted.

Starting point, anyway...

Tony Drews

At 08:15 PM 3/3/2011, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:
>I ran at TWS this past weekend and had some trouble with the TR3.  On Friday
>and Saturday I could not get the engine to pull above 5500 RPM in 4th on the
>front straight at TWS.  Coming out of the corners in 3rd, I was getting
>6000rpm without issue.  I checked the timing and it was rock solid at
>32degrees at 3000-5000rpm.  I run H6 carbs with RC needles and 0.100 jets.
>I run twin facet cube pumps pushing fuel from the cell at the back.
>
>
>
>On Sunday, we noticed that my cross shaft (at the firewall) had lots of
>slop.  It turns out that the cross shaft was rotating about 10 degrees
>before it was pulling the little lever back that actuates throttle shaft.  I
>had been checking the butter flies by moving the carb linkage at the carbs,
>bad mistake.  My butter flies were not fully opening.  So we corrected that
>problem (thanks Walt) and at the same time I replaced the Grosse Jets with
>Viton tipped float needle valves.  Strange thing was I could not get the car
>to run over 4500 rpm on the front straight or pulling out of the corners
>after those two changes.  I tried going a bit then a lot richer (to the
>point the car would hardly start) thinking that I had just introduced a lot
>more airflow at full throttle, but that did not help.
>
>
>
>Any ideas?  I'd like to solve this one at home but I can't replicate the
>full load and this problem does not manifest until under full load.
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>
>Greg
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri Mar  4 07:44:39 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 09:44:39 EST
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
Message-ID: <11adf.738a56f4.3aa254d7@aol.com>

In a message dated 03/04/2011 7:21:18 AM Central Standard Time, 
edwardbarnard at prodigy.net writes:


> Tony: I hope you meant that you run 3/8" line and not 3/16". I can't 
> imagine
> 3/16" would be enough.
> 

That's 1 3/16" vice 3/16"  Tony's engine is working very, very hard.  I'm 
almost positive Tony runs an 1 3/16" fuel line.  At least.  3/8" wouldn't be 
sufficient.

I'm pretty sure he's got a 55 gallon fuel tank too.

Bill (Damdinger)

From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Mar  4 08:23:21 2011
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:23:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
In-Reply-To: <11adf.738a56f4.3aa254d7@aol.com>
References: <11adf.738a56f4.3aa254d7@aol.com>
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Easy to see it's been a VERY long winter for many of us!!

Russ Moore

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Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 9:45 AM
To: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; ablake2 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net;
tony at tonydrews.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm

In a message dated 03/04/2011 7:21:18 AM Central Standard Time, 
edwardbarnard at prodigy.net writes:


> Tony: I hope you meant that you run 3/8" line and not 3/16". I can't 
> imagine
> 3/16" would be enough.
> 

That's 1 3/16" vice 3/16"  Tony's engine is working very, very hard.  I'm 
almost positive Tony runs an 1 3/16" fuel line.  At least.  3/8" wouldn't be

sufficient.

I'm pretty sure he's got a 55 gallon fuel tank too.

Bill (Damdinger)
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Mar  4 10:05:36 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 11:05:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
In-Reply-To: <208540.88017.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20110304074321.D0408187657@autox.team.net>
	<208540.88017.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20110304170541.8143418788D@autox.team.net>

Yikes.  Yes, I meant 3/8".  Thanks for the correction.

- Tony

At 06:58 AM 3/4/2011, EDWARD BARNARD wrote:
>Tony: I hope you meant that you run 3/8" line and not 3/16". I can't 
>imagine 3/16" would be enough.
>-Ed-

From kaskas at cox.net  Fri Mar  4 11:37:24 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:37:24 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Video on Vintage race crashes.
In-Reply-To: <EFB3AE9348174B37A7D37324B2D9BC4E@Bucktailus>
Message-ID: <20110304133724.B30LT.1467392.imail@fed1rmwml39>

Roll abrs were required by the California Sports Car Club in the last week of May in 1958. It was a surp[rise and accoutned for my square roll bar I used for two years.
---- Robert Johns <rjohns at woh.rr.com> wrote: 
From: Robert Johns

Subject: "Killed Myself When I was Young" Video
Yes , You can make a rather good case that we were crazy to race with out the
safety features used today, but in defense, every one was in the same boat.
As I have said, when in Europe we used the Nurburgring to practice on.  A very
good friend, Norman Babcock, was driving his MG-TD on the Nurburgring and when
he came back up the straight, over the fence from the Start and Finish line,
into the first hard left, going over the bridge, he over cooked it and went
straight off the curve. The TD flipped end over end and he dropped out as the
car went over.  He dropped onto the grass  and was unhurt.  The TD was
totaled.  Dumb luck, but that is the way it was.  Being in the Air Force,  I
had access to the old belts being replaced with new,  in the fighter planes
that I worked on.  So I installed one in my car, but the Europeans did not
believe in them at that point in time.  So, I certainly can relate to those
old photos.  When I raced out West in 1956, roll bars were not required.
There was a fatality at Sebring in 1957 and at Meadowdale, IL.in 1958, both
with no roll bars.  In fact, because I dropped out of racing after Sebring, to
go to college, I never got to drive  a car with a roll bar or roll cage.  I am
sure that Kas will concur with how things were in those early days of Sport
Car racing. I think roll bars became required by SCCA in either 1959 or 1960.
R.C. Johns
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From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Fri Mar  4 11:40:05 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 13:40:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>

I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed group.  He  
has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the southeast and  
will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next month.  Mark, his  
email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.

The following excerpt is from an email he sent me.  I'm sure he'll be a  
good addition to our group. Can I get a second?  Don

  "I've been into racing most anything that has a motor and wheels
since the 40's when in high school building hot rods. Took off a few years
while in college, but beginning in 1959 bought my first sports car, an
Austin Healy 3000 w/o a jump seat, next a MGB, then a Porsche 912, then a
Merc 280SL, now an Alfa Spider for the street and my TR3A for the track.
Crewed for a friend in the 60's with a bug-eye sprite in SCCA events then
got into motorcycles. I road motorcycle road-racers for about 10 years and
when I retired from riding, built and tuned 250cc GP road-racers with a
rider on the AMA pro circuit for about 7 years. We did pretty well, never
finished worse than 5th. in overall standings and won the national
championship in 1990. My good friend Ceasar Cone got me back into sports
car racing and when it came time to buy a car I decided that if I was going
vintage racing I wanted a truly vintage car and I think the TR3A is a
perfect truly vintage car.
  A little history on the TR3A. I have been able to trace its history
back to 1988 when it was found in a hanger already prepared as a race car  
by
a young man in Denver CO. It then went to the Dallas TX area, back to  
Denver
and then to Tulsa OK where I got the car. I am now the 6th. Owner since
1988. I have documented over 75 races the car has been in mostly in the
Midwest with CVRA, VSCDA, RMVA, at tracks such as Texas World, Hallet,
Second Creek, Casper, Stapleton, Steam Boat Springs, Copper Mountain,  
Eagles
Canyon, Blackhawk Farms. It ventured east a few times to Road America and
with SVRA at Mid Ohio and Watkins Glen."
--

From emanteno at comcast.net  Fri Mar  4 12:05:16 2011
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:05:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
References: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
Message-ID: <AANLkTincLsETcparm4ozPOF5ap9kqjKgSmHO6SLU7=b4@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Don Marshall <donmarshall at nefcom.net>wrote:

> I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed group.  He
> has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the southeast and
> will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next month.  Mark, his
> email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.
>
> The following excerpt is from an email he sent me.  I'm sure he'll be a
> good addition to our group. Can I get a second?  Don
>


Second. Welcome, John.

From jason at multivintage.com  Fri Mar  4 12:18:38 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:18:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
References: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2pxAyp1vqKDJ5dagA9zv-bB1NN2LiKQjkfVS=@mail.gmail.com>

That's quite a resume, I'll second it. Anyone who raced motorcycles,
certainly has the right guts for FOT.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Don Marshall <donmarshall at nefcom.net>wrote:

> I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed group.  He
> has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the southeast and
> will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next month.  Mark, his
> email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.
>
> The following excerpt is from an email he sent me.  I'm sure he'll be a
> good addition to our group. Can I get a second?  Don
>
>  "I've been into racing most anything that has a motor and wheels
> since the 40's when in high school building hot rods. Took off a few years
> while in college, but beginning in 1959 bought my first sports car, an
> Austin Healy 3000 w/o a jump seat, next a MGB, then a Porsche 912, then a
> Merc 280SL, now an Alfa Spider for the street and my TR3A for the track.
> Crewed for a friend in the 60's with a bug-eye sprite in SCCA events then
> got into motorcycles. I road motorcycle road-racers for about 10 years and
> when I retired from riding, built and tuned 250cc GP road-racers with a
> rider on the AMA pro circuit for about 7 years. We did pretty well, never
> finished worse than 5th. in overall standings and won the national
> championship in 1990. My good friend Ceasar Cone got me back into sports
> car racing and when it came time to buy a car I decided that if I was going
> vintage racing I wanted a truly vintage car and I think the TR3A is a
> perfect truly vintage car.
>  A little history on the TR3A. I have been able to trace its history
> back to 1988 when it was found in a hanger already prepared as a race car
> by
> a young man in Denver CO. It then went to the Dallas TX area, back to
> Denver
> and then to Tulsa OK where I got the car. I am now the 6th. Owner since
> 1988. I have documented over 75 races the car has been in mostly in the
> Midwest with CVRA, VSCDA, RMVA, at tracks such as Texas World, Hallet,
> Second Creek, Casper, Stapleton, Steam Boat Springs, Copper Mountain,
> Eagles
> Canyon, Blackhawk Farms. It ventured east a few times to Road America and
> with SVRA at Mid Ohio and Watkins Glen."
> --
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Fri Mar  4 12:18:46 2011
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 12:18:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
References: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
Message-ID: <AE28256B-6924-4DF9-B861-2317E0B534A9@earthlink.net>

That's got to be Larry & Tom Young's car. Second. And welcome John.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Mar 4, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Don Marshall wrote:

> I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed  
> group.  He
> has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the  
> southeast and
> will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next month.  Mark, his
> email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.
>
> The following excerpt is from an email he sent me.  I'm sure he'll  
> be a
> good addition to our group. Can I get a second?  Don
>
>   "I've been into racing most anything that has a motor and wheels
> since the 40's when in high school building hot rods. Took off a  
> few years
> while in college, but beginning in 1959 bought my first sports car, an
> Austin Healy 3000 w/o a jump seat, next a MGB, then a Porsche 912,  
> then a
> Merc 280SL, now an Alfa Spider for the street and my TR3A for the  
> track.
> Crewed for a friend in the 60's with a bug-eye sprite in SCCA  
> events then
> got into motorcycles. I road motorcycle road-racers for about 10  
> years and
> when I retired from riding, built and tuned 250cc GP road-racers  
> with a
> rider on the AMA pro circuit for about 7 years. We did pretty well,  
> never
> finished worse than 5th. in overall standings and won the national
> championship in 1990. My good friend Ceasar Cone got me back into  
> sports
> car racing and when it came time to buy a car I decided that if I  
> was going
> vintage racing I wanted a truly vintage car and I think the TR3A is a
> perfect truly vintage car.
>   A little history on the TR3A. I have been able to trace its history
> back to 1988 when it was found in a hanger already prepared as a  
> race car
> by
> a young man in Denver CO. It then went to the Dallas TX area, back to
> Denver
> and then to Tulsa OK where I got the car. I am now the 6th. Owner  
> since
> 1988. I have documented over 75 races the car has been in mostly in  
> the
> Midwest with CVRA, VSCDA, RMVA, at tracks such as Texas World, Hallet,
> Second Creek, Casper, Stapleton, Steam Boat Springs, Copper Mountain,
> Eagles
> Canyon, Blackhawk Farms. It ventured east a few times to Road  
> America and
> with SVRA at Mid Ohio and Watkins Glen."
> --
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Mar  4 12:30:39 2011
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 14:30:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & GT-6 pistons
Message-ID: <003401cbdaa2$a4de4ba0$ee9ae2e0$@rr.com>

The effort continues to raise funds for racing. I have two NOS sets of
AE-Hepolite pistons (pt# 18690V1) for the 1147 FB/FC prefix engine used in
the Spitfire & Herald & Amphicar. These are .030" oversize. This is 2 sets
of 4 each. I can send pictures. 

 

A number of head gaskets for an 1147.

 

Also there is a NOS set of .020" oversize Hepolite pistons for a GT-6 Mk3.
(pt# AE19178) 

 

Please inquire off line.

 

Russ Moore

Spitfire #49

From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Mar  4 12:37:43 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 13:37:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
References: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
Message-ID: <4D713F87.1050804@pobox.com>

Of course, I will second that, since John now has my yellow TR3.  He's 
already made some nice improvements that I never got around to.
Larry Young

On 3/4/2011 12:40 PM, Don Marshall wrote:
> I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed group.  He
> has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the southeast and
> will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next month.  Mark, his
> email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.
>
> The following excerpt is from an email he sent me.  I'm sure he'll be a
> good addition to our group. Can I get a second?  Don
>
>    "I've been into racing most anything that has a motor and wheels
> since the 40's when in high school building hot rods. Took off a few years
> while in college, but beginning in 1959 bought my first sports car, an
> Austin Healy 3000 w/o a jump seat, next a MGB, then a Porsche 912, then a
> Merc 280SL, now an Alfa Spider for the street and my TR3A for the track.
> Crewed for a friend in the 60's with a bug-eye sprite in SCCA events then
> got into motorcycles. I road motorcycle road-racers for about 10 years and
> when I retired from riding, built and tuned 250cc GP road-racers with a
> rider on the AMA pro circuit for about 7 years. We did pretty well, never
> finished worse than 5th. in overall standings and won the national
> championship in 1990. My good friend Ceasar Cone got me back into sports
> car racing and when it came time to buy a car I decided that if I was going
> vintage racing I wanted a truly vintage car and I think the TR3A is a
> perfect truly vintage car.
>    A little history on the TR3A. I have been able to trace its history
> back to 1988 when it was found in a hanger already prepared as a race car
> by
> a young man in Denver CO. It then went to the Dallas TX area, back to
> Denver
> and then to Tulsa OK where I got the car. I am now the 6th. Owner since
> 1988. I have documented over 75 races the car has been in mostly in the
> Midwest with CVRA, VSCDA, RMVA, at tracks such as Texas World, Hallet,
> Second Creek, Casper, Stapleton, Steam Boat Springs, Copper Mountain,
> Eagles
> Canyon, Blackhawk Farms. It ventured east a few times to Road America and
> with SVRA at Mid Ohio and Watkins Glen."
> --
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>
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Fri Mar  4 12:51:24 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:51:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
References: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A2E09FC107E@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

That car has made it from the mountains of the west to the eastern shore. I
owned it from 1996 to 2000. I bought it from Al Hughes, who lived in Austin
but had a house in Colorado. The prior owner was a Bill Miller from Colorado.
Al eventually brought it to Texas sold it to me and got me started in vintage
racing. I sold it to Jeff Wilt from Dallas and got him started. He sold it a
few years later to Larry Young, getting him in the fold. Larry improved the
car substantially while he owned it. It is great to know that the car is in
the hands of a soon to be FoT.

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson





-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Don Marshall
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 12:40 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Nomination

I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed group.  He
has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the southeast and
will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next month.  Mark, his
email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.

The following excerpt is from an email he sent me.  I'm sure he'll be a
good addition to our group. Can I get a second?  Don

  "I've been into racing most anything that has a motor and wheels
since the 40's when in high school building hot rods. Took off a few years
while in college, but beginning in 1959 bought my first sports car, an
Austin Healy 3000 w/o a jump seat, next a MGB, then a Porsche 912, then a
Merc 280SL, now an Alfa Spider for the street and my TR3A for the track.
Crewed for a friend in the 60's with a bug-eye sprite in SCCA events then
got into motorcycles. I road motorcycle road-racers for about 10 years and
when I retired from riding, built and tuned 250cc GP road-racers with a
rider on the AMA pro circuit for about 7 years. We did pretty well, never
finished worse than 5th. in overall standings and won the national
championship in 1990. My good friend Ceasar Cone got me back into sports
car racing and when it came time to buy a car I decided that if I was going
vintage racing I wanted a truly vintage car and I think the TR3A is a
perfect truly vintage car.
  A little history on the TR3A. I have been able to trace its history
back to 1988 when it was found in a hanger already prepared as a race car
by
a young man in Denver CO. It then went to the Dallas TX area, back to
Denver
and then to Tulsa OK where I got the car. I am now the 6th. Owner since
1988. I have documented over 75 races the car has been in mostly in the
Midwest with CVRA, VSCDA, RMVA, at tracks such as Texas World, Hallet,
Second Creek, Casper, Stapleton, Steam Boat Springs, Copper Mountain,
Eagles
Canyon, Blackhawk Farms. It ventured east a few times to Road America and
with SVRA at Mid Ohio and Watkins Glen."
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri Mar  4 14:08:54 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:08:54 EST
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Nomination
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In a message dated 03/04/2011 1:02:35 PM Central Standard Time, 
donmarshall at nefcom.net writes:


> I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed group.  He 
>  
> has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the southeast and  
> 
> will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next month.  Mark, his  
> email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.


Absolutely!  

I'll SECOND that nomination for another TR3 racer!

Bill Dentinger

From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  5 07:06:13 2011
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 14:06:13 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Video on Vintage race crashes.
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Kas-

Did you have any rollovers before you put the roll bar in?  Or after? Seeing some of these guys get up and walk away is pretty amazing.  

Ty  
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:37:24 
To: FOT team<fot at autox.team.net>; Robert Johns<rjohns at woh.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Video on Vintage race crashes.

Roll abrs were required by the California Sports Car Club in the last week of May in 1958. It was a surp[rise and accoutned for my square roll bar I used for two years.
---- Robert Johns <rjohns at woh.rr.com> wrote: 
From: Robert Johns

Subject: "Killed Myself When I was Young" Video
Yes , You can make a rather good case that we were crazy to race with out the
safety features used today, but in defense, every one was in the same boat.
As I have said, when in Europe we used the Nurburgring to practice on.  A very
good friend, Norman Babcock, was driving his MG-TD on the Nurburgring and when
he came back up the straight, over the fence from the Start and Finish line,
into the first hard left, going over the bridge, he over cooked it and went
straight off the curve. The TD flipped end over end and he dropped out as the
car went over.  He dropped onto the grass  and was unhurt.  The TD was
totaled.  Dumb luck, but that is the way it was.  Being in the Air Force,  I
had access to the old belts being replaced with new,  in the fighter planes
that I worked on.  So I installed one in my car, but the Europeans did not
believe in them at that point in time.  So, I certainly can relate to those
old photos.  When I raced out West in 1956, roll bars were not required.
There was a fatality at Sebring in 1957 and at Meadowdale, IL.in 1958, both
with no roll bars.  In fact, because I dropped out of racing after Sebring, to
go to college, I never got to drive  a car with a roll bar or roll cage.  I am
sure that Kas will concur with how things were in those early days of Sport
Car racing. I think roll bars became required by SCCA in either 1959 or 1960.
R.C. Johns
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From kaskas at cox.net  Sat Mar  5 09:56:36 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 8:56:36 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Video on Vintage race crashes.
In-Reply-To: <1224579757-1299333976-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1397452951-@bda599.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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Yes, I had one roll over in 1960 (my last race and then the factory folks found out I was racing). I had in my smaller round bar just in back of my head, and it protected me just fine. But my hard hat is what did the job for me. I still have my helmet and it has three marks about 1.5" in diameter. This was my second generation bar.  Never had a roll over in the previous 8 years. Several roll overs in my team cars, no one was ever knocked out or hurt in any way even though a couple of the cars were totaled.

---- tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote: 
Kas-

Did you have any rollovers before you put the roll bar in?  Or after? Seeing some of these guys get up and walk away is pretty amazing.  

Ty  
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:37:24 
To: FOT team<fot at autox.team.net>; Robert Johns<rjohns at woh.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Video on Vintage race crashes.

Roll abrs were required by the California Sports Car Club in the last week of May in 1958. It was a surp[rise and accoutned for my square roll bar I used for two years.
---- Robert Johns <rjohns at woh.rr.com> wrote: 
From: Robert Johns

Subject: "Killed Myself When I was Young" Video
Yes , You can make a rather good case that we were crazy to race with out the
safety features used today, but in defense, every one was in the same boat.
As I have said, when in Europe we used the Nurburgring to practice on.  A very
good friend, Norman Babcock, was driving his MG-TD on the Nurburgring and when
he came back up the straight, over the fence from the Start and Finish line,
into the first hard left, going over the bridge, he over cooked it and went
straight off the curve. The TD flipped end over end and he dropped out as the
car went over.  He dropped onto the grass  and was unhurt.  The TD was
totaled.  Dumb luck, but that is the way it was.  Being in the Air Force,  I
had access to the old belts being replaced with new,  in the fighter planes
that I worked on.  So I installed one in my car, but the Europeans did not
believe in them at that point in time.  So, I certainly can relate to those
old photos.  When I raced out West in 1956, roll bars were not required.
There was a fatality at Sebring in 1957 and at Meadowdale, IL.in 1958, both
with no roll bars.  In fact, because I dropped out of racing after Sebring, to
go to college, I never got to drive  a car with a roll bar or roll cage.  I am
sure that Kas will concur with how things were in those early days of Sport
Car racing. I think roll bars became required by SCCA in either 1959 or 1960.
R.C. Johns
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From jmwagner at tstonramp.com  Sat Mar  5 10:34:47 2011
From: jmwagner at tstonramp.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 09:34:47 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Of Topic: Great Shell Comercial
References: <1A2F6CC8-7E62-4F1F-AA64-0491FD904058@tstonramp.com>
Message-ID: <100F13CF-0A1C-4CC3-9779-6CA295596FA4@tstonramp.com>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Justin Wagner <jmwagner at tstonramp.com>
> Date: March 4, 2011 7:02:33 PM PST
> To: "jmwagner at greenheart.com" <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
> Subject: Justin:  Great Shell Comercial
> 

> 
>> Crank up your sound.
>>  
>>                              This should satisfy the need for speed...
>> Here's a Shell commercial shown in Europe .  They're selling gasoline, but
>> the cars used in the video steal the show.
>>  
>> Ferrari pulled several of their race cars from various ages out of
>> storage, flew them around the world, and filmed them running through the
>> streets of Rome , Rio , New York , Hong Kong, Honolulu , and Monaco .   No
>> CGI -these are the original cars on the original streets.
>> The best part is the sound - from the basso-profundo notes of the early,
>> front-engine era, each scene cuts to a later generation, ending with the
>> wail of a modern F1 car.
>> The sounds alone bring a tear to the eye. 
>> Even if you're not a gearhead, this video will stir the soul.
>> There's just something about 3 liters @ 14,000 RPM!
>>  
>>  
>> [ http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=1_kwxzU4wL4&vq=medium

From smockracer at charter.net  Sat Mar  5 20:52:25 2011
From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock )
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 19:52:25 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca
Message-ID: <0047D2A049D54847830653E01B2CC7FD@fred>

So far we have 10 hotel reservations and Car BIOs and Driver BIOs for  6 TR4s
, 3 TR3s and 1 Devin TR3. If you are going to come and PLAY please send me
Bios and pictures.   Paul Smock TR4A#190 at  smockracer at charter.net

From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Sat Mar  5 21:33:20 2011
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 04:33:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] no lbc  compressed nat. gas
Message-ID: <1187717589.894425.1299386000406.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

I would like to know if anyone is runningB  a CNG vehicle. or even gone as far
as to convert to vegetable oil for their diesel motors. I drive about 25k to
30k miles a year and the savings is intriguing but to be honest the last time
i started to think about this was after KatrinaB B  thanksB B B B  robB 

From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Sun Mar  6 06:53:09 2011
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 06:53:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] I'd like to buy a vowel!
Message-ID: <SNT134-w41664B20042EF210E99C5E90C40@phx.gbl>

Any body out there got a "U" for a TR4?  My scottish blood won't let me buy a
whole set of letters..........................Cheers Henry Morrison,
Albuquerque, NM

From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar  6 07:16:01 2011
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 06:16:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca
In-Reply-To: <0047D2A049D54847830653E01B2CC7FD@fred>
References: <0047D2A049D54847830653E01B2CC7FD@fred>
Message-ID: <63859.34923.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Paul - Joan and I have booked our air fair to LA.  We will be driving up the
coast to the San Francisco area for our FOT racing event and as much other fun
stuff that we can pack into the two week stint.  I have not figured out my
race 
car transport yet - I'll keep you informed.

Thanks
Dennis


So far we
have 10 hotel reservations and Car BIOs and Driver BIOs for  6 TR4s
, 3 TR3s
and 1 Devin TR3. If you are going to come and PLAY please send me
Bios and
pictures.  Paul Smock TR4A#190 at  smockracer at charter.net
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From markvaden at gmail.com  Sun Mar  6 09:41:32 2011
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 08:41:32 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca
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Hi Paul,

I am planning to come, and I will book a hotel now. The problem I have with
the bio, is I am planning on driving the new car, but I am hedging my bet a
bit, and if I don't finish in time, I plan to drive my white car. Do you
want a bio of the new car? I have tons of pictures etc.

-Mark

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Paul Smock <smockracer at charter.net> wrote:

> So far we have 10 hotel reservations and Car BIOs and Driver BIOs for  6
> TR4s
> , 3 TR3s and 1 Devin TR3. If you are going to come and PLAY please send me
> Bios and pictures.   Paul Smock TR4A#190 at  smockracer at charter.net
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From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Sun Mar  6 11:51:27 2011
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 12:51:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass Hood TR6
Message-ID: <674C5DEE-11C1-44EE-A149-6D1E22278233@wi.rr.com>

FoT,

Anybody have a lead on a fiberglass hood for a TR6?

Thanks,

Allen

Allen & Jody Washatko
1971 TR6  - Number 6

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Mar  6 14:53:26 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 22:53:26 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass Hood TR6
In-Reply-To: <674C5DEE-11C1-44EE-A149-6D1E22278233@wi.rr.com>
References: <674C5DEE-11C1-44EE-A149-6D1E22278233@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000101cbdc48$ee921c20$cbb65460$@com>

Honeybourne mouldings?

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Allen Washatko
Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Mdrz 2011 19:51
An: Friends of Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] Fiberglass Hood TR6

FoT,

Anybody have a lead on a fiberglass hood for a TR6?

Thanks,

Allen

Allen & Jody Washatko
1971 TR6  - Number 6
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sun Mar  6 17:23:14 2011
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 19:23:14 EST
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca
Message-ID: <19060.1dc7ab33.3aa57f72@cs.com>

Paul,

Thanks for the note.....my plan is to travel to Buttonw Willow  (British 
Extravaganza) for the weekend, first.

VARA has some things planned for the FOT that will have appeal to folks en 
route to Laguna Seca.     The KCUP committee might publish these features to 
the list.  Low cost entries....single day entries.....BBQ.....Photo 
Shoot.....Free overnight camping at the track.

Then we plan to travel up the PCH to Laguna Seca and meet up with my son(s) 
for the Kastner Cup.   

Track time has DOUBLED since the original proposal and that has appeal. 
EIGHT sessions in two days is more than the equivalent of an ordinary three day 
event.

This has the makings a great event....

Joe Alexander





> So far we have 10 hotel reservations and Car BIOs and Driver BIOs for  6 
> TR4s
> , 3 TR3s and 1 Devin TR3. If you are going to come and PLAY please send me
> Bios and pictures.   Paul Smock TR4A#190 at  smockracer at charter.net
> _______________________________________________
> 

</HTML>

From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  7 06:27:09 2011
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 08:27:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass Hood TR6
In-Reply-To: <000101cbdc48$ee921c20$cbb65460$@com>
References: <674C5DEE-11C1-44EE-A149-6D1E22278233@wi.rr.com>,
	<000101cbdc48$ee921c20$cbb65460$@com>
Message-ID: <SNT136-w23D4275188FEDE599FAA84F9C70@phx.gbl>

I have lightweight racing hoods, decks, and fenders for TR6's. Biggest problem
I have is shipping them. Located in Ohio

Contact me @ Atr6racer at hotmail.com

Sam

> From: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 22:53:26 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fiberglass Hood TR6
>
> Honeybourne mouldings?
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Allen Washatko
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Mdrz 2011 19:51
> An: Friends of Triumph
> Betreff: [Fot] Fiberglass Hood TR6
>
> FoT,
>
> Anybody have a lead on a fiberglass hood for a TR6?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Allen
>
> Allen & Jody Washatko
> 1971 TR6 - Number 6
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From ac at camoletti.ch  Mon Mar  7 07:25:47 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 15:25:47 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
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  <4D713F87.1050804@pobox.com>
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Seconded by me too, I immediately recognised Larry's great TR3 (I was runner
up last October in trying to buy it, John was there first, and rightfully
got it) I am pleased and happy it went to such good hands and fellow!
Welcome John, and let us know how it works  with 16!

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Larry Young
Envoyi : vendredi 4 mars 2011 20:38
@ : fot at autox.team.net
Cc : John Hasty
Objet : Re: [Fot] Nomination

Of course, I will second that, since John now has my yellow TR3.  He's
already made some nice improvements that I never got around to.
Larry Young

On 3/4/2011 12:40 PM, Don Marshall wrote:
> I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed group.
> He has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the
> southeast and will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next
> month.  Mark, his email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.
>
> The following excerpt is from an email he sent me.  I'm sure he'll be
> a good addition to our group. Can I get a second?  Don
>
>    "I've been into racing most anything that has a motor and wheels
> since the 40's when in high school building hot rods. Took off a few
> years while in college, but beginning in 1959 bought my first sports
> car, an Austin Healy 3000 w/o a jump seat, next a MGB, then a Porsche
> 912, then a Merc 280SL, now an Alfa Spider for the street and my TR3A for
the track.
> Crewed for a friend in the 60's with a bug-eye sprite in SCCA events
> then got into motorcycles. I road motorcycle road-racers for about 10
> years and when I retired from riding, built and tuned 250cc GP
> road-racers with a rider on the AMA pro circuit for about 7 years. We
> did pretty well, never finished worse than 5th. in overall standings
> and won the national championship in 1990. My good friend Ceasar Cone
> got me back into sports car racing and when it came time to buy a car
> I decided that if I was going vintage racing I wanted a truly vintage
> car and I think the TR3A is a perfect truly vintage car.
>    A little history on the TR3A. I have been able to trace its history
> back to 1988 when it was found in a hanger already prepared as a race
> car by a young man in Denver CO. It then went to the Dallas TX area,
> back to Denver and then to Tulsa OK where I got the car. I am now the
> 6th. Owner since 1988. I have documented over 75 races the car has
> been in mostly in the Midwest with CVRA, VSCDA, RMVA, at tracks such
> as Texas World, Hallet, Second Creek, Casper, Stapleton, Steam Boat
> Springs, Copper Mountain, Eagles Canyon, Blackhawk Farms. It ventured
> east a few times to Road America and with SVRA at Mid Ohio and Watkins
> Glen."
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Mar  7 10:39:05 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 12:39:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 4A motor
Message-ID: <7653BEF734734A36B0F40786513AA4AE@gdhs.local>

Does anyone who plans to attend VIR in April have a 4A motor or block, crank
& head which they would like to sell?

John H. Hasty
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From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 16:52:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors
Message-ID: <C22F4A3F0AA3EA488D30A42FC8A4817639B0102D44@DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local>

Mark,



You out there I have tried every where I can to get the part number for the
Brembo rotors and no luck. Do you have the part number??



Mark Craig

Diesel Performance Parts, INC.

411 Allied Drive

Nashville, TN 37211

866-455-7788 Phone

615-834-9923 Fax



www.dieselperformanceparts.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Diesel Performance Parts - Info
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:18 AM
To: 'openwheeldriver at frontiernet.net'
Subject: RE: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help



Awesome thanks!!  Any chance you have the part number??



Mark Craig

Diesel Performance Parts, INC.

411 Allied Drive

Nashville, TN 37211

866-455-7788 Phone

615-834-9923 Fax



www.dieselperformanceparts.com



-----Original Message-----

From: openwheeldriver at frontiernet.net
[mailto:openwheeldriver at frontiernet.net]

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:17 AM

To: Diesel Performance Parts - Info

Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help



yes they are a bolt on item

----- Original Message -----

From: "Diesel Performance Parts - Info" <info at dieselperformanceparts.com>

To: <openwheeldriver at frontiernet.net>

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 11:11 AM

Subject: RE: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help





Ok great are the stock in that they fit the stock GT6 spindle and caliper

etc. Just a bolt on deal??



Mark Craig

Diesel Performance Parts, INC.

411 Allied Drive

Nashville, TN 37211

866-455-7788 Phone

615-834-9923 Fax



www.dieselperformanceparts.com

-----Original Message-----

From: openwheeldriver at frontiernet.net

[mailto:openwheeldriver at frontiernet.net]

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:06 AM

To: Diesel Performance Parts - Info

Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help



Hi Mark I use Brembo rotors on My GT6R Le Mans Clone run in Group #3  w/

911's alot on Watkins Glen

high speed heavy braking  goes thru a set of hawk pads in a weekend best

rotors I've used so far

Mark

British Racing Group

----- Original Message -----

From: "Diesel Performance Parts - Info" <info at dieselperformanceparts.com>

To: <fot at autox.team.net>

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:35 AM

Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help





> Hey Listers,

>

> What's the best source for GT6 rotors for a racing Spitfire. I know of all

> the

> normal outlets for pats, but am concerned that I get the best quality for

> the

> purpose of racing. I plan to cyro the rotors and would really like some

> that

> are slotted if anyone knows of them somewhere. As always thanks!!

>

> Mark Craig

> 615-347-0260


Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax

www.dieselperformanceparts.com

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Mar  8 09:14:14 2011
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 08:14:14 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
Message-ID: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>

FOT,

Now that we're 90 days from our big event,

Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna  
Seca June 7&8 and what car are you running?

Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble  
downloading and printing the entry form posted HERE: http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm

Roll call, please.

~Steve

From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Mar  8 09:34:50 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 10:34:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20110308163455.ECF5B18763E@autox.team.net>

Tony Drews, TR-4 #95

At 10:14 AM 3/8/2011, Steven Belfer wrote:
>FOT,
>
>Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
>Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna
>Seca June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
>Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble
>downloading and printing the entry form posted HERE: 
>http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
>Roll call, please.
>
>~Steve

From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Mar  8 09:42:54 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 08:42:54 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E6592D9CBE2E4666A7103CA3D6778844@Charly>

I'm planning on attending and bringing my TR6.  I'm a little confused, 
someone from the list asked the same information last week, I think on 
Saturday.  I sent the same info to that person and I don't remember who it 
was, maybe Paul Smock
I asked for a bio info sheet and stated I already had hotel reservations.
Who is the person that we need to co-ordinate with?
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call


> FOT,
>
> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna  Seca 
> June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble  downloading 
> and printing the entry form posted HERE: 
> http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
> Roll call, please.
>
> ~Steve
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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>
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue Mar  8 09:52:59 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 06:52:59 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <80B8A2DD-671E-4146-B0E8-E61213DEDCEB@bnj.com>

I'll be there, with Peyote.

On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:14 AM, Steven Belfer wrote:

> FOT,
>
> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna Seca
June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble downloading and
printing the entry form posted HERE:
http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
> Roll call, please.
>
> ~Steve
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
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>

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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Mar  8 10:03:44 2011
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 09:03:44 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <E6592D9CBE2E4666A7103CA3D6778844@Charly>
References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
	<E6592D9CBE2E4666A7103CA3D6778844@Charly>
Message-ID: <9AFE06A7-D319-48F4-9D41-A06577771449@earthlink.net>

Sorry for the confusion.  Entrants are contacting paul directly with  
photos & bios.  I just wanted to start another email thread for all to  
see, another way to build momentum for the event.

I'll be there too.   Triumph TR3B

~Steve



On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote:

I'm planning on attending and bringing my TR6.  I'm a little confused,  
someone from the list asked the same information last week, I think on  
Saturday.  I sent the same info to that person and I don't remember  
who it was, maybe Paul Smock
I asked for a bio info sheet and stated I already had hotel  
reservations.
Who is the person that we need to co-ordinate with?
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44



----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net 
 >
To: "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call


> FOT,
>
> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna   
> Seca June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble   
> downloading and printing the entry form posted HERE: http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
> Roll call, please.
>
> ~Steve
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From haretoday at comcast.net  Tue Mar  8 10:41:09 2011
From: haretoday at comcast.net (haretoday at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:41:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <E6592D9CBE2E4666A7103CA3D6778844@Charly>
Message-ID: <1935453829.1469501.1299606069930.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hi Steven



I also am attending.B  I sent my entry form and $$ on 2-25-2011.B 
Reservations also have been made.

B #85

1963 Spit.B  F or G production

Yellow/black checkerboard

A longtime S.F. region car.B  Now 5 years with SOVREN and occasionaly with
HMSA.

If more of a bio is needed please let me know.



Thanks ALL for taking this on.B  I certainly enjoyed the Portland K Kup!

Steve Hare
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charly Mitchel" <charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
To: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>, "friends of triumph"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:42:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call

I'm planning on attending and bringing my TR6. B I'm a little confused,
someone from the list asked the same information last week, I think on
Saturday. B I sent the same info to that person and I don't remember who it
was, maybe Paul Smock
I asked for a bio info sheet and stated I already had hotel reservations.
Who is the person that we need to co-ordinate with?
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44



----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call


> FOT,
>
> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna B Seca
> June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble B downloading
> and printing the entry form posted HERE:
> http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
> Roll call, please.
>
> ~Steve
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From jfrymark at aol.com  Tue Mar  8 13:05:00 2011
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 12:05:00 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Roll Call
Message-ID: <D2DD92A9-DEC2-4679-B016-C48D708B3D9D@aol.com>

Of course I'm in. I'll probably enter the British Extravaganza at  
Buttonwillow too. Get all my racing in one week!

John Frymark

From gasket.works at gte.net  Tue Mar  8 13:32:33 2011
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 20:32:33 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <9AFE06A7-D319-48F4-9D41-A06577771449@earthlink.net>
References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net><E6592D9CBE2E4666A7103CA3D6778844@Charly><9AFE06A7-D319-48F4-9D41-A06577771449@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1293962580-1299616353-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1469359659-@bda712.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Wouldn"t miss this event. Perhaps bring two cars. As well as a  Buttonwillow warm up.

Mordy


Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 09:03:44 
To: Charly Mitchel<charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
Cc: friends of triumph<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call

Sorry for the confusion.  Entrants are contacting paul directly with  
photos & bios.  I just wanted to start another email thread for all to  
see, another way to build momentum for the event.

I'll be there too.   Triumph TR3B

~Steve



On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote:

I'm planning on attending and bringing my TR6.  I'm a little confused,  
someone from the list asked the same information last week, I think on  
Saturday.  I sent the same info to that person and I don't remember  
who it was, maybe Paul Smock
I asked for a bio info sheet and stated I already had hotel  
reservations.
Who is the person that we need to co-ordinate with?
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44



----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net 
 >
To: "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call


> FOT,
>
> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna   
> Seca June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble   
> downloading and printing the entry form posted HERE: http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
> Roll call, please.
>
> ~Steve
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From John.Reed at wilson.com  Tue Mar  8 14:06:23 2011
From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:06:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <1293962580-1299616353-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1469359659-@bda712.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <C99BF66F.716F%John.Reed@wilson.com>

Mordy,
Are you looking for someone to drive your second car, I mean you can't drive
two cars at once, and would love to help you out... nudge nudge

     John
Zippy Racing



On 3/8/11 2:32 PM, "gasket.works at gte.net" <gasket.works at gte.net> wrote:

Wouldn"t miss this event. Perhaps bring two cars. As well as a  Buttonwillow
warm up.

Mordy


Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 09:03:44
To: Charly Mitchel<charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
Cc: friends of triumph<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call

Sorry for the confusion.  Entrants are contacting paul directly with
photos & bios.  I just wanted to start another email thread for all to
see, another way to build momentum for the event.

I'll be there too.   Triumph TR3B

~Steve



On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote:

I'm planning on attending and bringing my TR6.  I'm a little confused,
someone from the list asked the same information last week, I think on
Saturday.  I sent the same info to that person and I don't remember
who it was, maybe Paul Smock
I asked for a bio info sheet and stated I already had hotel
reservations.
Who is the person that we need to co-ordinate with?
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44



----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net
 >
To: "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call


> FOT,
>
> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna
> Seca June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble
> downloading and printing the entry form posted HERE:
http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
> Roll call, please.
>
> ~Steve
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Tue Mar  8 14:59:11 2011
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 13:59:11 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
Message-ID: <13441201.1299621551670.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Racers,  I am glad to hear that most of you are going to run our VARA event the weekend before.  The B.E. is always a great event with lots of track time for a low entry fee.  If you have a questions feel free to ask me I am the co chairman for the event.  Also Joe Alexander is working with the boys back East.  thanks Joe Siam


-----Original Message-----
>From: gasket.works at gte.net
>Sent: Mar 8, 2011 12:32 PM
>To: 
>Cc: friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
>
>Wouldn"t miss this event. Perhaps bring two cars. As well as a  Buttonwillow warm up.
>
>Mordy
>
>
>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
>Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
>Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 09:03:44 
>To: Charly Mitchel<charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
>Cc: friends of triumph<fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
>
>Sorry for the confusion.  Entrants are contacting paul directly with  
>photos & bios.  I just wanted to start another email thread for all to  
>see, another way to build momentum for the event.
>
>I'll be there too.   Triumph TR3B
>
>~Steve
>
>
>
>On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote:
>
>I'm planning on attending and bringing my TR6.  I'm a little confused,  
>someone from the list asked the same information last week, I think on  
>Saturday.  I sent the same info to that person and I don't remember  
>who it was, maybe Paul Smock
>I asked for a bio info sheet and stated I already had hotel  
>reservations.
>Who is the person that we need to co-ordinate with?
>Charly Mitchel
>TR6 #44
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net 
> >
>To: "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 AM
>Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
>
>
>> FOT,
>>
>> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>>
>> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna   
>> Seca June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>>
>> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble   
>> downloading and printing the entry form posted HERE: http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>>
>> Roll call, please.
>>
>> ~Steve
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Tue Mar  8 15:48:49 2011
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:48:49 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <C99BF66F.716F%John.Reed@wilson.com>
References: <1293962580-1299616353-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1469359659-@bda712.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><C99BF66F.716F%John.Reed@wilson.com>
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Interesting idea.  Let me think about it...
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: "Reed, John" <John.Reed at wilson.com>
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 15:06:23 
To: gasket.works at gte.net<gasket.works at gte.net>
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph'<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call

Mordy,
Are you looking for someone to drive your second car, I mean you can't drive two cars at once, and would love to help you out... nudge nudge

     John
Zippy Racing



On 3/8/11 2:32 PM, "gasket.works at gte.net" <gasket.works at gte.net> wrote:

Wouldn"t miss this event. Perhaps bring two cars. As well as a  Buttonwillow warm up.

Mordy


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-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 09:03:44
To: Charly Mitchel<charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
Cc: friends of triumph<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call

Sorry for the confusion.  Entrants are contacting paul directly with
photos & bios.  I just wanted to start another email thread for all to
see, another way to build momentum for the event.

I'll be there too.   Triumph TR3B

~Steve



On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote:

I'm planning on attending and bringing my TR6.  I'm a little confused,
someone from the list asked the same information last week, I think on
Saturday.  I sent the same info to that person and I don't remember
who it was, maybe Paul Smock
I asked for a bio info sheet and stated I already had hotel
reservations.
Who is the person that we need to co-ordinate with?
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44



----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net
 >
To: "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call


> FOT,
>
> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna
> Seca June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble
> downloading and printing the entry form posted HERE: http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
> Roll call, please.
>
> ~Steve
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From kaenel at pacbell.net  Tue Mar  8 19:21:22 2011
From: kaenel at pacbell.net (Preston Kaenel)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:21:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <661358.86876.qm@web180009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Preston Kaenel 1959 TR3A #46

Called in my entry on Friday and they said only 3-4 entries so far.




________________________________
From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 8:14:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call

FOT,

Now that we're 90 days from our big event,

Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna Seca June 
7&8 and what car are you running?

Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble downloading and 
printing the entry form posted HERE: 
http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm

Roll call, please.

~Steve
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Mar  8 21:41:11 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 22:41:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <661358.86876.qm@web180009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
	<661358.86876.qm@web180009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20110309044121.921E8187656@autox.team.net>

I've not sent my entry to HMSA yet but will in the next week.  I'm 
also looking at doing some portion of the Buttonwillow event the 
weekend before - details on where to look for info about that event 
would be helpful.

Tony Drews

At 08:21 PM 3/8/2011, Preston Kaenel wrote:
>Preston Kaenel 1959 TR3A #46
>
>Called in my entry on Friday and they said only 3-4 entries so far.
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
>To: friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 8:14:14 AM
>Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
>
>FOT,
>
>Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
>Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna Seca June
>7&8 and what car are you running?
>
>Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble downloading and
>printing the entry form posted HERE:
>http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
>Roll call, please.
>
>~Steve
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  8 23:48:58 2011
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:48:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
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References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <254306.71024.qm@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Mike Mehl #46 62 TR4
 from Vancouver Washington is planning on attending.  I
am keeping my fingers 
crossed that engine # 3 holds together.   As far as
lodging.  I will be slepping 
in a tent or Jeff Quick's race car trailer.  You
know 3 engines in three races 
adds up.

Mike
________________________________
From: Steven Belfer
<colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Tue, March 8, 2011 8:14:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call

FOT,
Now that we're 90 days from our big event,

Who's planning on attending the
K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna Seca June 
7&8 and what car are you
running?

Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble
downloading and 
printing the entry form posted HERE:
http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm

Roll call, please.

~Steve
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Thu Mar 10 05:09:10 2011
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 06:09:10 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Paging Steve Belfer
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2yYfC=ep0nfSuTRJzD1MgBdTqcH9aLmGfOVAg@mail.gmail.com>

FOT,

Please excuse the interruption.

Steve,

Would you please contact me off list?

Thanks,

Irv Korey

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Mar 10 12:00:16 2011
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:00:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Type A OD, either 22% or 28% (AH)
Message-ID: <000301cbdf55$666af190$3340d4b0$@com>

Our OD on the TR4 race car got pretty well destroyed at the last race in
September.  The uni-directional clutch disintegrated and pretty well wiped
out the annulus, planet carrier, sun gear and main shaft.  It is a 22/1374
unit.  I'm looking for another unit to rebuild and put on the car.  We have
a 4.3 diff so the OD is pretty much needed on the long straights.  A 28% OD,
such as a 28/1447, which was used on the big Healy's I think, would be an
improvement.  I think a 22/1753 as used on the TR4A would also work.  We
currently have a TR3 transmission plus one spare TR3 transmission and a
spare TR4 transmission.

 

I didn't think the damage would be that extensive or I'd have started this
project sooner!  I've since learned that the uni-directional clutch (UDC)
provides the driving torque from the main shaft to the UDC spline and
rollers to the UDC outer race in the annulus output shaft.  Apparently the
cone clutch does not have enough torque to maintain the sun gear stationary
on the brake plate in direct drive.

 

I can get replacement used parts from John Esposito at Quantumechanics, when
they become available, but would still like to have a spare unit to rebuild
and have on hand.  Something tells me this will not be the last time this
happens!!  Plus if I can find a unit we may not have to miss any races this
year.

 

Thanks for any info and advice you can give, always appreciated and always
trying to learn moreJ

 

Tim Murphy

1961 TR4 #317

From igofaster at att.net  Thu Mar 10 14:54:40 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:54:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake bias question..
Message-ID: <839631.77690.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

My brakes on my 71 TR6 are totally done. I found a new old stock brass bias 
differential brake junction unit. It leaks like the old one did... the large 
bolt at the end.. Am I missing something simple?   dang it ... I can't find a 
new one with Rimmer, Vicky Britt, or Moss...
What is the cool upgrade without going full race on this setup?

Bobby Whitehead

From billb at bnj.com  Thu Mar 10 15:00:49 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:00:49 -1000
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake bias question..
In-Reply-To: <839631.77690.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <839631.77690.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4DAC27C1-700E-40AA-B8E1-7B33DB6B0B9C@bnj.com>

In the past I've just used two simple junctions with a residual pressure valve
for the disk brakes: A T for the front/rear junctions with the residual
pressure valve inline for the line leading to the front brakes, and then a T
for the right/left front brakes. Make up all the connections with aircraft
style flares and it won't leak after you take them on and off a few times like
the bubble or reverse taper ones do.

On Mar 10, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote:

> My brakes on my 71 TR6 are totally done. I found a new old stock brass bias
> differential brake junction unit. It leaks like the old one did... the large
> bolt at the end.. Am I missing something simple?   dang it ... I can't find
a
> new one with Rimmer, Vicky Britt, or Moss...
> What is the cool upgrade without going full race on this setup?
>
> Bobby Whitehead
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Thu Mar 10 15:01:49 2011
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:01:49 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake bias question..
In-Reply-To: <839631.77690.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <839631.77690.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=pc8q0T+pRnab3HEFzNUYMGPBa-2wnsfSSbFDA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net> wrote:

> My brakes on my 71 TR6 are totally done. I found a new old stock brass bias
> differential brake junction unit. It leaks like the old one did... the
> large
> bolt at the end.. Am I missing something simple?   dang it ... I can't find
> a
> new one with Rimmer, Vicky Britt, or Moss...
> What is the cool upgrade without going full race on this setup?
>

Bobby,

Follow the link to a great step by step instruction on rebuilding the PDWA.
It's not difficult.


http://www.74tr6.com/pdwa.htm

Irv Korey

From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Thu Mar 10 20:06:18 2011
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:06:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Video on Vintage race crashes.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.75.1299333979.23293.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.75.1299333979.23293.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4D7991AA.2000507@twcny.rr.com>

The first start reminds me of the start of this excellent book out now: 
"Go Like Hell" which starts with the story lead in to this spectacular 
crash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAV2RnR5lOQ&feature=fvwrel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwDC5VEUXUw&feature=related - this one 
has some great triumph shots including digging one out...

Cannot recommend this book enough - story of Ferrari, racing history as 
it leads up to the Ferrari/Ford wars of the mid 60s at Le Mans, seat 
belts, Shelby its all covered in the context of the auto market of the 
mid 60s. It was so good that I finished it on a trip and started it over 
just to kill time. I read it all the way through twice in a row...

Cheers,

M

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Mar 11 06:46:18 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:46:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Remembering Fred Thomas
Message-ID: <8CDAE09D53F12D0-125C-B7D4@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com>

 Although he wasnt on the list at the end, and he didnt race his Triumphs,
Fred Thomas was one of us.

He was on the FOT list for awhile, and joined us in the paddock when he could.
He celebrated his 70th birthday with us at VIR a few years ago.

If you knew him, no more needs to be said.

R.I.P.

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Mar 11 08:55:37 2011
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:55:37 EST
Subject: [Fot] Fred Thomas    Virginia International Raceway   April
Message-ID: <15c07.7bca4e66.3aab9ff9@cs.com>

It would be nice to take a moment at VIR, when we gather there in April, to 
remember  Fred Thomas.  

I will try to remember bring a picture of him at VIR when I was there last.

A real Triumph character.......

Joe A</HTML>

From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Sat Mar 12 07:38:15 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 09:38:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] New Kirkey seat for sale
Message-ID: <op.vr8ix1tfairs7i@don-pc.belkin>

For sale - new Kirkey seat for bigger boys or girls...

I have a brand new Kirkey seat with deluxe cover that's too big for me.   
It's the 18" Intermediate seat with 20 degree layback, Kirkey part number  
is 36900.   If you're a big guy you might need one like this.  Summit  
sells these, with the cover, for $240 plus shipping.  This seat has never  
been drilled or installed and the cover just came out of the box so  
they're both in perfect new shape.  I can bring it to VIR and save the  
shipping if you're going to be there next month or someone can carry it  
home for you.  Asking $200 delivered to VIR.  Contact me off line for more  
information.  Thanks, Don
--

From igofaster at att.net  Sat Mar 12 13:56:20 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:56:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 sway bars..
Message-ID: <626466.52529.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

While I'm waiting for parts to come in for brakes, I decided to install some 
Aadco sway bars I bought a few years back. The rear bar went on pretty easily, 
there are a couple of large washers on each side of the trailing arm where the 
spring sets down inside. I was able to move the long bolts and washers in from 
the bottom side of the trailing arm. With 4 washers I guess it will seat and 
hold well. The install was pretty simple.
Now, I'm on the front sway bar and I've removed the radiator and the old 
hardware and bar. These dang end links are puny to begin with. Even the mount to 
the lower A arm is bent and kind of flimsy.
So what is the cool upgrade end link and maybe beefed up attachment to the A 
arms that might actually push back and hold under cornering?
BTW.. GT6 is in the shop with British Auto in Fort Worth... I never did get it 
dialed in right with my knuckle smacking nuts and bolts knowledge...  The 
SU175's were a little lean and the fuel bowl level wasn't just exactly right. 
Compression was on the low side too around 120-130...  so, initially, I may not 
have lined up the cam just right, not knowing exactly how to do it... I did it 
the best I could by my shop manual and novice mechanic skills. It's been a 
decade since I assembled an engine, and that was mostly stock... so, I'm hoping 
it's just an alignment issue...  we'll see and I'll post soon...
All the best ....   Bobby Whitehead   

From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Mar 12 20:43:15 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 22:43:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ebay Triumph racer
Message-ID: <779081.50903.qm@smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://tinyurl.com/4ott8jr
 
Dolomite sprint
 
Paul

From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Sun Mar 13 09:37:09 2011
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 12:37:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Part needed
Message-ID: <CA4731D9C6F84738B7146F95E3F2D2C1@userb38463fba5>

TR 4 thru 250, maybe 6


Does anyone have the little clamp device that clamps the actuating rod for the
scuttle vent opening and closing. I'm in need of one and it doesn't look like
the Big 3 sell them.

Gladly pay a reasonable price and shipping.

Thanks,

Jerry Van Vlack

From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Mar 13 23:34:42 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 01:34:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Front Hubs, TR-2/3/4/5/6/250
Message-ID: <20110314063446.176BD187647@autox.team.net>

I had previously solicited interest from this group for a limited run 
of Aluminum Front Hubs for the big TR's.  I have the hubs back from 
manufacturing and am ready to take orders - I believe that I have 
contacted everyone who was "on the list".  However, if you were 
waiting to hear from me that these are ready to go and didn't get a 
message from me, please contact me off-list.

Details here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Aluminum%20Hubs/AluminumFrontHubs.htm

Thanks, Tony Drews

From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 14 07:18:57 2011
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 07:18:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report
Message-ID: <944268.90054.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I honestly wasn't trying to see how many alliterative "R's" I could get into
the 
title...it just worked out that way.

Anyway, for those of you
interested, we competed in two ChumpCar 7-hour 
endurance races at "The Rock"
(road course configuration) this weekend with our 
1975 TR6 "Lacey".  There's
only one class, so we were out there with everything 
from a '64 Chevy pickup
(!) to a BMW E36, Miatas, Mustangs, Fieros, Saabs, 
Nissan Z's and a really
quick Mercedes 300.

Saturday, we had some off-course excursions and some
imperfect fuel strategy, 
ended up in 12th place -- although we were pretty
happy because the car ran well 
all day and that's the best finish we've ever
had (27 cars competed this 
weekend).

Sunday was even better, with the team
driving more consistently and fueling 
going better.  We ran top-5 most of the
day, but a late race "splash and 
go" stop dropped us to 6th at the checker. 
Still was phenominal as far as we 
were concerned since we finished ahead of a
LOT of much faster cars due to 
consistency.  For all but one of our
drivers this was either our 3rd and 4th or 
4th and 5th races ever, so we're
pretty happy right now.  


To top it all off, the team received the "Spirit
of Chump" award as the team 
that "gets" what ChumpCar is all about, drives
well and courteously, and gets 
more out of their car that anyone has a right
to expect...

Our next race is a 14 hour event at Charlotte Motor Speedway
(road course 
configuration) April 23...if anyone out there is interested in
joining us or 
forming a ChumpCar or LeMons team of their own, shoot me an
email and we'll be 
happy to help!

Jamie Palmer
Squadron Leader
RiffRAF
Racing
'75 TR6 ChumpCar

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Mar 14 07:40:45 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:40:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report
In-Reply-To: <944268.90054.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <944268.90054.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CDB06CEFB34980-12C4-32B43@webmail-d081.sysops.aol.com>

 This is VERY COOL and another facet of what we do.

 Thanks for sharing this.

ChumpCar and 24 Hours of LEMONS   has taken off.

We have two ChumpCar events in our area, coming up and I would like to
attend....time permitting.   ha!

I think John Nikas participated in a TR7 and Bob Kramer is involved with a
TR6.

JA










-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie Palmer <tr6driver at yahoo.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2011 9:18 am
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report


I honestly wasn't trying to see how many alliterative "R's" I could get into

the

title...it just worked out that way.



Anyway, for those of you

interested, we competed in two ChumpCar 7-hour

endurance races at "The Rock"

(road course configuration) this weekend with our

1975 TR6 "Lacey".  There's

only one class, so we were out there with everything

from a '64 Chevy pickup

(!) to a BMW E36, Miatas, Mustangs, Fieros, Saabs,

Nissan Z's and a really

quick Mercedes 300.



Saturday, we had some off-course excursions and some

imperfect fuel strategy,

ended up in 12th place -- although we were pretty

happy because the car ran well

all day and that's the best finish we've ever

had (27 cars competed this

weekend).



Sunday was even better, with the team

driving more consistently and fueling

going better.  We ran top-5 most of the

day, but a late race "splash and

go" stop dropped us to 6th at the checker.

Still was phenominal as far as we

were concerned since we finished ahead of a

LOT of much faster cars due to

consistency.  For all but one of our

drivers this was either our 3rd and 4th or

4th and 5th races ever, so we're

pretty happy right now.





To top it all off, the team received the "Spirit

of Chump" award as the team

that "gets" what ChumpCar is all about, drives

well and courteously, and gets

more out of their car that anyone has a right

to expect...



Our next race is a 14 hour event at Charlotte Motor Speedway

(road course

configuration) April 23...if anyone out there is interested in

joining us or

forming a ChumpCar or LeMons team of their own, shoot me an

email and we'll be

happy to help!



Jamie Palmer

Squadron Leader

RiffRAF

Racing

'75 TR6 ChumpCar

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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Mar 14 08:27:42 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:27:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report
In-Reply-To: <8CDB06CEFB34980-12C4-32B43@webmail-d081.sysops.aol.com>
References: <944268.90054.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<8CDB06CEFB34980-12C4-32B43@webmail-d081.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A2E0ADCE88C@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

We have our crap can TR6 Lemon's car on the lift getting prepped for the April
23/24 Lemon's race at Eagles Canyon in Decatur TX. The track is about an hour
NW of Fort Worth, not that far from the Oklahoma border. We have a team of 6
drivers and 3 crew so far, but we can handle more if anyone wants to join us.

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson





-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 9:41 AM
To: tr6driver at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report

 This is VERY COOL and another facet of what we do.

 Thanks for sharing this.

ChumpCar and 24 Hours of LEMONS   has taken off.

We have two ChumpCar events in our area, coming up and I would like to
attend....time permitting.   ha!

I think John Nikas participated in a TR7 and Bob Kramer is involved with a
TR6.

JA










-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie Palmer <tr6driver at yahoo.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2011 9:18 am
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report


I honestly wasn't trying to see how many alliterative "R's" I could get into

the

title...it just worked out that way.



Anyway, for those of you

interested, we competed in two ChumpCar 7-hour

endurance races at "The Rock"

(road course configuration) this weekend with our

1975 TR6 "Lacey".  There's

only one class, so we were out there with everything

from a '64 Chevy pickup

(!) to a BMW E36, Miatas, Mustangs, Fieros, Saabs,

Nissan Z's and a really

quick Mercedes 300.



Saturday, we had some off-course excursions and some

imperfect fuel strategy,

ended up in 12th place -- although we were pretty

happy because the car ran well

all day and that's the best finish we've ever

had (27 cars competed this

weekend).



Sunday was even better, with the team

driving more consistently and fueling

going better.  We ran top-5 most of the

day, but a late race "splash and

go" stop dropped us to 6th at the checker.

Still was phenominal as far as we

were concerned since we finished ahead of a

LOT of much faster cars due to

consistency.  For all but one of our

drivers this was either our 3rd and 4th or

4th and 5th races ever, so we're

pretty happy right now.





To top it all off, the team received the "Spirit

of Chump" award as the team

that "gets" what ChumpCar is all about, drives

well and courteously, and gets

more out of their car that anyone has a right

to expect...



Our next race is a 14 hour event at Charlotte Motor Speedway

(road course

configuration) April 23...if anyone out there is interested in

joining us or

forming a ChumpCar or LeMons team of their own, shoot me an

email and we'll be

happy to help!



Jamie Palmer

Squadron Leader

RiffRAF

Racing

'75 TR6 ChumpCar

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fot at autox.team.net



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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 14 09:46:00 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:46:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fred Thomas Decal
In-Reply-To: <8CDAF09EE71A041-E298-19964@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CDAF09EE71A041-E298-19964@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU160-w29860A5BF9C4F818843527BACC0@phx.gbl>

The subject of a decal honoring Fred Thomas was proposed last week.  After
some initial dialog we WILL be proceeding with this project.  The design and
details are in the initial stages but the intent is to have a 3 inch decal
offered to who ever wants one at a minimal cost to pay for the manufacturing
and mailing of the decals.  This will not be a for profit enterprise.  I am
NOT taking orders yet. Lots of details to be worked out before that point. I
will post updates on the project as we go forward so be patient with me:) .

Thanks,
Marty Sukey

From rodkent at cox.net  Mon Mar 14 10:11:19 2011
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:11:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT-6 & Spitfire Parts
Message-ID: <20110314131119.Q1BF7.47616.imail@fed1rmwml34>

Hello, due to the acquisition of another vintage racer I am going to have to abandon by GT-6 build that I had begun. A dear freind of mine passed away last year and when his son decided to sell his dad's Lotus 7, I had to buy it for sentimental reasons more than anything else. Plus we still campaign my TR-6 in selected events, plus my 33 highboy, project, plus the chopper, plus the Datsun 2000 project, you get the picture. Anyway I had started accumulating engine parts, wheels, etc. I need to sell off. Things I need to unload are:
2 Jerry Barker prepped cranks, nitrided, ground to use Honda rod bearings, x-drilled, etc.
1 Set Pauter rods for same
1 Set Arias pistons to be used with this combination
1 SA9 Crank, ground on new cam blank
4 New Pansports 6 x 13  4 3/8 backspacing (minimum scrub radius)
Fiberglass bonnet for gt-6 
Not a Vintage part, but I also have a Schwitter gearbox for any serious production car
This engine configuration is as described in Mr Kastner's latest book when describing Chuck's build.
Email me with any questions.
thanks, rod

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Mar 14 10:13:11 2011
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:13:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] GT-6 & Spitfire Parts
Message-ID: <39437.14f46903.3aafa6a7@aol.com>

Have you set any prices yet?
 
 
In a message dated 3/14/2011 10:11:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
rodkent at cox.net writes:

Hello,  due to the acquisition of another vintage racer I am going to have 
to abandon  by GT-6 build that I had begun. A dear freind of mine passed 
away last year  and when his son decided to sell his dad's Lotus 7, I had to 
buy it for  sentimental reasons more than anything else. Plus we still 
campaign my TR-6 in  selected events, plus my 33 highboy, project, plus the 
chopper, plus the  Datsun 2000 project, you get the picture. Anyway I had started 
accumulating  engine parts, wheels, etc. I need to sell off. Things I need to 
unload  are:
2 Jerry Barker prepped cranks, nitrided, ground to use Honda rod  bearings, 
x-drilled, etc.
1 Set Pauter rods for same
1 Set Arias pistons  to be used with this combination
1 SA9 Crank, ground on new cam blank
4  New Pansports 6 x 13  4 3/8 backspacing (minimum scrub  radius)
Fiberglass bonnet for gt-6 
Not a Vintage part, but I also have  a Schwitter gearbox for any serious 
production car
This engine  configuration is as described in Mr Kastner's latest book when 
describing  Chuck's build.
Email me with any questions.
thanks,  rod
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Mar 14 10:46:31 2011
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:46:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report
In-Reply-To: <944268.90054.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <944268.90054.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000801cbe26f$c1781230$44683690$@com>

Sounds like great fun!  And I like that "Spirit of Chump" award.  Congrats
on winning it and a good result.

Tim Murphy
1961 TR4 #317

And Happy St. Patrick's Day, 3/17/2011 to all!!

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jamie Palmer
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 9:19 AM
To: Friends of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report

I honestly wasn't trying to see how many alliterative "R's" I could get into
the 
title...it just worked out that way.

Anyway, for those of you
interested, we competed in two ChumpCar 7-hour 
endurance races at "The Rock"
(road course configuration) this weekend with our 
1975 TR6 "Lacey".  There's
only one class, so we were out there with everything 
from a '64 Chevy pickup
(!) to a BMW E36, Miatas, Mustangs, Fieros, Saabs, 
Nissan Z's and a really
quick Mercedes 300.

Saturday, we had some off-course excursions and some
imperfect fuel strategy, 
ended up in 12th place -- although we were pretty
happy because the car ran well 
all day and that's the best finish we've ever
had (27 cars competed this 
weekend).

Sunday was even better, with the team
driving more consistently and fueling 
going better.  We ran top-5 most of the
day, but a late race "splash and 
go" stop dropped us to 6th at the checker. 
Still was phenominal as far as we 
were concerned since we finished ahead of a
LOT of much faster cars due to 
consistency.  For all but one of our
drivers this was either our 3rd and 4th or 
4th and 5th races ever, so we're
pretty happy right now.  


To top it all off, the team received the "Spirit
of Chump" award as the team 
that "gets" what ChumpCar is all about, drives
well and courteously, and gets 
more out of their car that anyone has a right
to expect...

Our next race is a 14 hour event at Charlotte Motor Speedway
(road course 
configuration) April 23...if anyone out there is interested in
joining us or 
forming a ChumpCar or LeMons team of their own, shoot me an
email and we'll be 
happy to help!

Jamie Palmer
Squadron Leader
RiffRAF
Racing
'75 TR6 ChumpCar
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From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 14 13:57:14 2011
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:57:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report
In-Reply-To: <8CDB06CEFB34980-12C4-32B43@webmail-d081.sysops.aol.com>
References: <944268.90054.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<8CDB06CEFB34980-12C4-32B43@webmail-d081.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <670103.78832.qm@web114707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Got a lot of kind words today from the FOT list...thanks again for welcoming
us!

Jamie




________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com"
<n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: tr6driver at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, March
14, 2011 10:40:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report
This is VERY COOL and another facet of what we do.   

 Thanks for sharing
this.

ChumpCar and 24 Hours of LEMONS   has taken off.

We have two ChumpCar
events in our area, coming up and I would like to 
attend....time
permitting.   ha!

I think John Nikas participated in a TR7 and Bob Kramer is
involved with a TR6. 

JA






-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie Palmer
<tr6driver at yahoo.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon,
Mar 14, 2011 9:18 am
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report


I
honestly wasn't trying to see how many alliterative "R's" I could get into
the 
  title...it just worked out that way.
  
  Anyway, for those of you
interested, we competed in two ChumpCar 7-hour 
  endurance races at "The
Rock"
  (road course configuration) this weekend with our 
  1975 TR6 "Lacey".
There's
  only one class, so we were out there with everything 
  from a '64
Chevy pickup
  (!) to a BMW E36, Miatas, Mustangs, Fieros, Saabs, 
  Nissan
Z's and a really
  quick Mercedes 300.
  
  Saturday, we had some off-course
excursions and some
  imperfect fuel strategy, 
  ended up in 12th place --
although we were pretty
  happy because the car ran well 
  all day and that's
the best finish we've ever
  had (27 cars competed this 
  weekend).
Sunday was even better, with the team
  driving more consistently and fueling
going better.  We ran top-5 most of the
  day, but a late race "splash and
go" stop dropped us to 6th at the checker. 
  Still was phenominal as far as
we 
  were concerned since we finished ahead of a
  LOT of much faster cars
due to 
  consistency.  For all but one of our
  drivers this was either our
3rd and 4th or 
  4th and 5th races ever, so we're
  pretty happy right now.
To top it all off, the team received the "Spirit
  of Chump" award as the team
that "gets" what ChumpCar is all about, drives
  well and courteously, and
gets 
  more out of their car that anyone has a right
  to expect...
  
  Our
next race is a 14 hour event at Charlotte Motor Speedway
  (road course
configuration) April 23...if anyone out there is interested in
  joining us or
forming a ChumpCar or LeMons team of their own, shoot me an
  email and we'll
be 
  happy to help!
  
  Jamie Palmer
  Squadron Leader
  RiffRAF
  Racing
'75 TR6 ChumpCar
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From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Mon Mar 14 20:08:08 2011
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:08:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues
Message-ID: <002001cbe2be$36263b90$a272b2b0$@rr.com>

First off let me thank the folks that provided good feedback to my question
regarding the car not wanting to rev.  I am in the diagnostic phase and this
is what I have found so far:

 

As a recap, I am running the Mallory dual point.  Fresh points, rotor,
condenser (grounded), and cap.

The total dwell at 1100 rpm it is 40 and at 3500+ rpm it is 45. I assume
that dwell should not change over the rpm range and this condition is
indicative that something is wrong. I removed the cap and rotor and I can
move the top of the shaft far enough back and forth (side to side) to cause
the points to open and close. This distributor has 6 race weekends on it. 

Could the shaft have already worn the bushings? I've read that Mallory will
not sell you replacement bushing or bearings as they want to rebuild the
unit.  Are there any alternative suggestions? 

Do you guys leave the felt rubbing block in place on the points?  I have
them in place now, but I don't remember seeing a Lucas point set that uses
felt pads like that.  Maybe they are a good thing.

Thanks in advance,

Greg

From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Mar 14 20:32:58 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:32:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues
References: <002001cbe2be$36263b90$a272b2b0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <76A3E7296EC6404697292EAE981FA188@Bud>

If you mean that the shaft is wobbly...it should not be..RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:08 PM
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues


> First off let me thank the folks that provided good feedback to my 
> question
> regarding the car not wanting to rev.  I am in the diagnostic phase and 
> this
> is what I have found so far:
>
>
>
> As a recap, I am running the Mallory dual point.  Fresh points, rotor,
> condenser (grounded), and cap.
>
> The total dwell at 1100 rpm it is 40 and at 3500+ rpm it is 45. I assume
> that dwell should not change over the rpm range and this condition is
> indicative that something is wrong. I removed the cap and rotor and I can
> move the top of the shaft far enough back and forth (side to side) to 
> cause
> the points to open and close. This distributor has 6 race weekends on it.
>
> Could the shaft have already worn the bushings? I've read that Mallory 
> will
> not sell you replacement bushing or bearings as they want to rebuild the
> unit.  Are there any alternative suggestions?
>
> Do you guys leave the felt rubbing block in place on the points?  I have
> them in place now, but I don't remember seeing a Lucas point set that uses
> felt pads like that.  Maybe they are a good thing.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Greg
> _______________________________________________
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From jibjib at att.net  Mon Mar 14 20:44:00 2011
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:44:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues
In-Reply-To: <76A3E7296EC6404697292EAE981FA188@Bud>
References: <002001cbe2be$36263b90$a272b2b0$@rr.com>
	<76A3E7296EC6404697292EAE981FA188@Bud>
Message-ID: <83778BAAC1B0487585F2FAD72D0B0041@EntCent>

And yes, the felt pads, with a drop of oil on them, will keep the wear on
the point blocks (that rides on the cam) from wearing as fast.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of RACER BUD
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:33 PM
To: Greg & Alison Blake; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignition issues

If you mean that the shaft is wobbly...it should not be..RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:08 PM
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues


> First off let me thank the folks that provided good feedback to my 
> question
> regarding the car not wanting to rev.  I am in the diagnostic phase and 
> this
> is what I have found so far:
>
>
>
> As a recap, I am running the Mallory dual point.  Fresh points, rotor,
> condenser (grounded), and cap.
>
> The total dwell at 1100 rpm it is 40 and at 3500+ rpm it is 45. I assume
> that dwell should not change over the rpm range and this condition is
> indicative that something is wrong. I removed the cap and rotor and I can
> move the top of the shaft far enough back and forth (side to side) to 
> cause
> the points to open and close. This distributor has 6 race weekends on it.
>
> Could the shaft have already worn the bushings? I've read that Mallory 
> will
> not sell you replacement bushing or bearings as they want to rebuild the
> unit.  Are there any alternative suggestions?
>
> Do you guys leave the felt rubbing block in place on the points?  I have
> them in place now, but I don't remember seeing a Lucas point set that uses
> felt pads like that.  Maybe they are a good thing.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Greg
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From VANDECARR at aol.com  Tue Mar 15 04:36:55 2011
From: VANDECARR at aol.com (VANDECARR at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:36:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
Message-ID: <6576a.756b57d1.3ab0a957@aol.com>

I've noticed most of the vintage racers use SUs instead of Strombergs.   On 
my TR 6 I had the webers but I'm now driving a Lola with a Lotus twin cam. 
It has the Stromberg head and the Weber heads are just not available or 
stupid expensive.   I adapted the Weber 45 MCHH carbs and they work OK but can't 
take the G forces and are constantly spilling gas.   After many 
modifications and 2 fires at the last event in Georgia I've decided to trash them.   I 
have a set of Strombergs and SUs   I can rebuild, which would be best?

Dean VanDeCarr
TR 6 autocross
More TR6 street cars than my wife allows
1970 Lola T200

From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Mar 15 09:18:25 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:18:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
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Message-ID: <20110315161838.39BF2187656@autox.team.net>

On the 1.75" carbs, the strombergs have a shallower float bowl, and 
the floats aren't oriented optimally.  On the SU's, the float bowls 
are deeper and you can orient the float pivots toward the front and 
rear of the car.  The strombergs, when mounted on the right hand side 
of the engine will have issues in heavy cornering left hand turns - I 
think they went rich, but it's been a while.  Car would fall flat on 
its face for a second until the carbs recovered.  Very 
frustrating.  Based on that experience, I'd recommend the SU's.

- Tony Drews

At 06:36 AM 3/15/2011, VANDECARR at aol.com wrote:
>I've noticed most of the vintage racers use SUs instead of Strombergs.   On
>my TR 6 I had the webers but I'm now driving a Lola with a Lotus twin cam.
>It has the Stromberg head and the Weber heads are just not available or
>stupid expensive.   I adapted the Weber 45 MCHH carbs and they work 
>OK but can't
>take the G forces and are constantly spilling gas.   After many
>modifications and 2 fires at the last event in Georgia I've decided 
>to trash them.   I
>have a set of Strombergs and SUs   I can rebuild, which would be best?
>
>Dean VanDeCarr
>TR 6 autocross
>More TR6 street cars than my wife allows
>1970 Lola T200
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From rodkent at cox.net  Tue Mar 15 10:15:06 2011
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:15:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <20110315161838.39BF2187656@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39>

This will be a fun one to watch, I personally like the TR-4 type strongbergs the best. That's what I used on my SCCA national 6 for years before the webers were legal, never missed a beat. I think they are both good, but the friends I had running SU's seem to have to fiddle more. I think it's just personal preference. Good luck........rod
---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote: 
On the 1.75" carbs, the strombergs have a shallower float bowl, and 
the floats aren't oriented optimally.  On the SU's, the float bowls 
are deeper and you can orient the float pivots toward the front and 
rear of the car.  The strombergs, when mounted on the right hand side 
of the engine will have issues in heavy cornering left hand turns - I 
think they went rich, but it's been a while.  Car would fall flat on 
its face for a second until the carbs recovered.  Very 
frustrating.  Based on that experience, I'd recommend the SU's.

- Tony Drews

At 06:36 AM 3/15/2011, VANDECARR at aol.com wrote:
>I've noticed most of the vintage racers use SUs instead of Strombergs.   On
>my TR 6 I had the webers but I'm now driving a Lola with a Lotus twin cam.
>It has the Stromberg head and the Weber heads are just not available or
>stupid expensive.   I adapted the Weber 45 MCHH carbs and they work 
>OK but can't
>take the G forces and are constantly spilling gas.   After many
>modifications and 2 fires at the last event in Georgia I've decided 
>to trash them.   I
>have a set of Strombergs and SUs   I can rebuild, which would be best?
>
>Dean VanDeCarr
>TR 6 autocross
>More TR6 street cars than my wife allows
>1970 Lola T200
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Tue Mar 15 11:03:19 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:03:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
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The 1.75 SU's on my TR3A stutter coming out of the slow, tight right-hander
at Kershaw, but did not coming out of turn 7 at Road Atlanta.  Go figure?

John H. Hasty
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Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg


This will be a fun one to watch, I personally like the TR-4 type strongbergs
the best. That's what I used on my SCCA national 6 for years before the
webers were legal, never missed a beat. I think they are both good, but the
friends I had running SU's seem to have to fiddle more. I think it's just
personal preference. Good luck........rod
---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
On the 1.75" carbs, the strombergs have a shallower float bowl, and
the floats aren't oriented optimally.  On the SU's, the float bowls
are deeper and you can orient the float pivots toward the front and
rear of the car.  The strombergs, when mounted on the right hand side
of the engine will have issues in heavy cornering left hand turns - I
think they went rich, but it's been a while.  Car would fall flat on
its face for a second until the carbs recovered.  Very
frustrating.  Based on that experience, I'd recommend the SU's.

- Tony Drews

At 06:36 AM 3/15/2011, VANDECARR at aol.com wrote:
>I've noticed most of the vintage racers use SUs instead of Strombergs.   On
>my TR 6 I had the webers but I'm now driving a Lola with a Lotus twin
>cam. It has the Stromberg head and the Weber heads are just not available
or
>stupid expensive.   I adapted the Weber 45 MCHH carbs and they work
>OK but can't
>take the G forces and are constantly spilling gas.   After many
>modifications and 2 fires at the last event in Georgia I've decided
>to trash them.   I
>have a set of Strombergs and SUs   I can rebuild, which would be best?
>
>Dean VanDeCarr
>TR 6 autocross
>More TR6 street cars than my wife allows
>1970 Lola T200
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Mar 15 11:02:21 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:02:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39>
Message-ID: <8CDB15243CF01DF-C1C-244C@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com>

 nice to know i am not alone.....both cars have Strombergs....one for almost
20 years of vintage racing.

i think the TR4  strombergs got a bad name when parts and needles were hard to
come by.

then the strombergs got changed when they went on TR6s....these seem to be
awful








-----Original Message-----
From: rodkent at cox.net
To: VANDECARR at aol.com; Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 12:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg


This will be a fun one to watch, I personally like the TR-4 type strongbergs
the

best. That's what I used on my SCCA national 6 for years before the webers
were

legal, never missed a beat. I think they are both good, but the friends I had

running SU's seem to have to fiddle more. I think it's just personal
preference.

Good luck........rod

---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

On the 1.75" carbs, the strombergs have a shallower float bowl, and

the floats aren't oriented optimally.  On the SU's, the float bowls

are deeper and you can orient the float pivots toward the front and

rear of the car.  The strombergs, when mounted on the right hand side

of the engine will have issues in heavy cornering left hand turns - I

think they went rich, but it's been a while.  Car would fall flat on

its face for a second until the carbs recovered.  Very

frustrating.  Based on that experience, I'd recommend the SU's.



- Tony Drews



At 06:36 AM 3/15/2011, VANDECARR at aol.com wrote:

>I've noticed most of the vintage racers use SUs instead of Strombergs.   On

>my TR 6 I had the webers but I'm now driving a Lola with a Lotus twin cam.

>It has the Stromberg head and the Weber heads are just not available or

>stupid expensive.   I adapted the Weber 45 MCHH carbs and they work

>OK but can't

>take the G forces and are constantly spilling gas.   After many

>modifications and 2 fires at the last event in Georgia I've decided

>to trash them.   I

>have a set of Strombergs and SUs   I can rebuild, which would be best?

>

>Dean VanDeCarr

>TR 6 autocross

>More TR6 street cars than my wife allows

>1970 Lola T200

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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Mar 15 11:53:52 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:53:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
References: <8CDB15243CF01DF-C1C-244C@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4989570A6C174FE89A182977AC9044CA@Charly>

I was told the old ZS carbs with the large top had the best flow of all on 
the bench.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
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Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg


> nice to know i am not alone.....both cars have Strombergs....one for 
> almost
> 20 years of vintage racing.
>
> i think the TR4  strombergs got a bad name when parts and needles were 
> hard to
> come by.
>
> then the strombergs got changed when they went on TR6s....these seem to be
> awful
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rodkent at cox.net
> To: VANDECARR at aol.com; Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>; fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 12:15 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
>
>
> This will be a fun one to watch, I personally like the TR-4 type 
> strongbergs
> the
>
> best. That's what I used on my SCCA national 6 for years before the webers
> were
>
> legal, never missed a beat. I think they are both good, but the friends I 
> had
>
> running SU's seem to have to fiddle more. I think it's just personal
> preference.
>
> Good luck........rod
>
> ---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
>
> On the 1.75" carbs, the strombergs have a shallower float bowl, and
>
> the floats aren't oriented optimally.  On the SU's, the float bowls
>
> are deeper and you can orient the float pivots toward the front and
>
> rear of the car.  The strombergs, when mounted on the right hand side
>
> of the engine will have issues in heavy cornering left hand turns - I
>
> think they went rich, but it's been a while.  Car would fall flat on
>
> its face for a second until the carbs recovered.  Very
>
> frustrating.  Based on that experience, I'd recommend the SU's.
>
>
>
> - Tony Drews
>
>
>
> At 06:36 AM 3/15/2011, VANDECARR at aol.com wrote:
>
>>I've noticed most of the vintage racers use SUs instead of Strombergs. 
>>On
>
>>my TR 6 I had the webers but I'm now driving a Lola with a Lotus twin cam.
>
>>It has the Stromberg head and the Weber heads are just not available or
>
>>stupid expensive.   I adapted the Weber 45 MCHH carbs and they work
>
>>OK but can't
>
>>take the G forces and are constantly spilling gas.   After many
>
>>modifications and 2 fires at the last event in Georgia I've decided
>
>>to trash them.   I
>
>>have a set of Strombergs and SUs   I can rebuild, which would be best?
>
>>
>
>>Dean VanDeCarr
>
>>TR 6 autocross
>
>>More TR6 street cars than my wife allows
>
>>1970 Lola T200
>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Mar 15 12:06:17 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:06:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE:  SU vs Stromberg
Message-ID: <20110315190621.CDAE81879F0@autox.team.net>

Bounced, too long, re-sending with a big snip. - Tony

>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:54:17 -0500
>To: <jhhasty at gdhs.com>, <fot at autox.team.net>
>From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
>Subject: RE: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
>
>Make sure the float pivots in the top of the float bowl are 
>perpendicular to the centerline of the car - ie the float pivots to 
>the front or the back, not to the side.
>
>- Tony
>
>At 01:03 PM 3/15/2011, John Hasty wrote:
>>The 1.75 SU's on my TR3A stutter coming out of the slow, tight right-hander
>>at Kershaw, but did not coming out of turn 7 at Road Atlanta.  Go figure?
>>
>>John H. Hasty
>>Attorney At Law
>>Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
>>719 East Boulevard
>>Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
>>Tele: (704) 372-5600
>>Fax: (704) 372-4601
>>E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com
>>www.gdhs.com
<snip>

From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue Mar 15 15:40:20 2011
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:40:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE:  SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <20110315190621.CDAE81879F0@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <2019993564.2350079.1300228820808.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I have triple Strombergs with a Good Parts intake manifold on my street TR6, great improvement at idle and more "snap" when accelerating. The car is not raced or autocrossed but more fun to drive on the street since the switch to three from stock two Strombergs. 

Gary 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com> 
To: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:06:17 PM 
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE: SU vs Stromberg 

Bounced, too long, re-sending with a big snip. - Tony 

>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:54:17 -0500 
>To: <jhhasty at gdhs.com>, <fot at autox.team.net> 
>From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> 
>Subject: RE: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg 
> 
>Make sure the float pivots in the top of the float bowl are 
>perpendicular to the centerline of the car - ie the float pivots to 
>the front or the back, not to the side. 
> 
>- Tony 
> 
>At 01:03 PM 3/15/2011, John Hasty wrote: 
>>The 1.75 SU's on my TR3A stutter coming out of the slow, tight right-hander 
>>at Kershaw, but did not coming out of turn 7 at Road Atlanta. Go figure? 
>> 
>>John H. Hasty 
>>Attorney At Law 
>>Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 
>>719 East Boulevard 
>>Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 
>>Tele: (704) 372-5600 
>>Fax: (704) 372-4601 
>>E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com 
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Tue Mar 15 16:57:53 2011
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:57:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE:  SU vs Stromberg
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References: <20110315190621.CDAE81879F0@autox.team.net>
	<2019993564.2350079.1300228820808.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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I have seen the same manifold outfitted with three SU HS-6s on a VERY quick
TR-250 from the WPTA and all I can say is "it's impressive". I was so much
impressed I am building one for myself in the near future. 

Russ Moore

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Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: RE: SU vs Stromberg

I have triple Strombergs with a Good Parts intake manifold on my street TR6,
great improvement at idle and more "snap" when accelerating. The car is not
raced or autocrossed but more fun to drive on the street since the switch to
three from stock two Strombergs. 

Gary 

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To: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:06:17 PM 
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE: SU vs Stromberg 

Bounced, too long, re-sending with a big snip. - Tony 

>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:54:17 -0500 
>To: <jhhasty at gdhs.com>, <fot at autox.team.net> 
>From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> 
>Subject: RE: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg 
> 
>Make sure the float pivots in the top of the float bowl are 
>perpendicular to the centerline of the car - ie the float pivots to 
>the front or the back, not to the side. 
> 
>- Tony 
> 
>At 01:03 PM 3/15/2011, John Hasty wrote: 
>>The 1.75 SU's on my TR3A stutter coming out of the slow, tight
right-hander 
>>at Kershaw, but did not coming out of turn 7 at Road Atlanta. Go figure? 
>> 
>>John H. Hasty 
>>Attorney At Law 
>>Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 
>>719 East Boulevard 
>>Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 
>>Tele: (704) 372-5600 
>>Fax: (704) 372-4601 
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Tue Mar 15 19:37:21 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:37:21 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues
Message-ID: <20110315.223721.21615.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>

Sounds like with the shaft moving around side to side you need to take it all
apart to see what's going on - something is loose.

Some other things to watch for - I have had the centrifugal advance limit tab
break off and bounce around not doing good things, in addition to too much
advance.  Also, have had the advance weight pivot bushings wear through,
causing the weights to expand too far and rub on the inside of the distributor
housing.  Not only was it not running well, but all the metal dust inside did
not help much.  At that time I ditched the weights and installed electronic
advance.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:08:08 -0500

First off let me thank the folks that provided good feedback to my question
regarding the car not wanting to rev.  I am in the diagnostic phase and this
is what I have found so far:



As a recap, I am running the Mallory dual point.  Fresh points, rotor,
condenser (grounded), and cap.

The total dwell at 1100 rpm it is 40 and at 3500+ rpm it is 45. I assume
that dwell should not change over the rpm range and this condition is
indicative that something is wrong. I removed the cap and rotor and I can
move the top of the shaft far enough back and forth (side to side) to cause
the points to open and close. This distributor has 6 race weekends on it.

Could the shaft have already worn the bushings? I've read that Mallory will
not sell you replacement bushing or bearings as they want to rebuild the
unit.  Are there any alternative suggestions?

Do you guys leave the felt rubbing block in place on the points?  I have
them in place now, but I don't remember seeing a Lucas point set that uses
felt pads like that.  Maybe they are a good thing.

Thanks in advance,

Greg
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From ac at camoletti.ch  Wed Mar 16 01:09:24 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:09:24 +0100
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
References: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39>
	<801FFA8CA77140508983AEB1B9DEEEA0@gdhs.local> 
Message-ID: <001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch>

Hi John, you've got the HS6 and not the H6 if I remember well ? (on the 3A
stock  carbs are the SU H6) Maybe it makes a difference in fuel supply`?

You may try enlarging the needle seat hole, a  trick recommended by Kas, and
now SU provides as well needle floats of larger ID up to .110'' if I
remember correctly ; see www.sucarb.co.uk
Cheers! Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de John Hasty Envoyi : mardi 15 mars 2011 19:03 @ : rodkent at cox.net;
VANDECARR at aol.com; 'Tony Drews'; fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] SU vs
Stromberg

The 1.75 SU's on my TR3A stutter coming out of the slow, tight right-hander
at Kershaw, but did not coming out of turn 7 at Road Atlanta.  Go figure?

John H. Hasty

From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Mar 16 07:26:06 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:26:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE:  SU vs Stromberg
References: <20110315190621.CDAE81879F0@autox.team.net><2019993564.2350079.1300228820808.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<000001cbe36c$ccc421d0$664c6570$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <5E784AA413534880B9733BEB4131BF40@Charly>

I have an interesting question to ask the group, why isn't anybody using the 
SU HIF carbs?  I've used them on several occasions and the seem to be 
superior to the h or hs.  They have less parts and are easy to adjust, less 
prone to leaks,  needles are easy. And if you get the HIF44 instead of the 
HIF6, it has bearings inside the piston dampner.  These also have a 
temperature compensator for the fuel mixture.  These were the last series of 
carbs manufactured by SU.  Just curious.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spitfire Racing" <spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com>
To: <vintage.racer at comcast.net>; "'Tony Drews'" <tony at tonydrews.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: RE: SU vs Stromberg


>I have seen the same manifold outfitted with three SU HS-6s on a VERY quick
> TR-250 from the WPTA and all I can say is "it's impressive". I was so much
> impressed I am building one for myself in the near future.
>
> Russ Moore
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of vintage.racer at comcast.net
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 6:40 PM
> To: Tony Drews
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: RE: SU vs Stromberg
>
> I have triple Strombergs with a Good Parts intake manifold on my street 
> TR6,
> great improvement at idle and more "snap" when accelerating. The car is 
> not
> raced or autocrossed but more fun to drive on the street since the switch 
> to
> three from stock two Strombergs.
>
> Gary
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:06:17 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE: SU vs Stromberg
>
> Bounced, too long, re-sending with a big snip. - Tony
>
>>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:54:17 -0500
>>To: <jhhasty at gdhs.com>, <fot at autox.team.net>
>>From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
>>Subject: RE: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
>>
>>Make sure the float pivots in the top of the float bowl are
>>perpendicular to the centerline of the car - ie the float pivots to
>>the front or the back, not to the side.
>>
>>- Tony
>>
>>At 01:03 PM 3/15/2011, John Hasty wrote:
>>>The 1.75 SU's on my TR3A stutter coming out of the slow, tight
> right-hander
>>>at Kershaw, but did not coming out of turn 7 at Road Atlanta. Go figure?
>>>
>>>John H. Hasty
>>>Attorney At Law
>>>Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
>>>719 East Boulevard
>>>Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
>>>Tele: (704) 372-5600
>>>Fax: (704) 372-4601
>>>E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com
>>>www.gdhs.com
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 16 09:10:26 2011
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:10:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Type A OD, either 22% or 28% (AH)
References: <000301cbdf55$666af190$3340d4b0$@com>
Message-ID: <CF562114E78F47CB8D2C5E987AAFCBEE@Edscomputer>

Tim,

Did you find the overdrive or parts thereof that you require? If not, I have 
most of that stuff lying around my workbench (somewhere), including a 28% 
sunwheel/planetary gearset.

Ed Woods 

From tlizzard at msn.com  Wed Mar 16 09:33:58 2011
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:33:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE:  SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <20110315190621.CDAE81879F0@autox.team.net><2019993564.2350079.1300228820808.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><000001cbe36c$ccc421d0$664c6570$@rr.com>
	<5E784AA413534880B9733BEB4131BF40@Charly>
References: <20110315190621.CDAE81879F0@autox.team.net><2019993564.2350079.1300228820808.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><000001cbe36c$ccc421d0$664c6570$@rr.com>
	<5E784AA413534880B9733BEB4131BF40@Charly>
Message-ID: <BAY157-ds187B844EAF8C8181757AC4C3CE0@phx.gbl>

The HIF have that diaphragm that is another area where a catastrophic failure
can occur.

Terry Stetler

From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 16 09:10:26 2011
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:10:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Type A OD, either 22% or 28% (AH)
References: <000301cbdf55$666af190$3340d4b0$@com>
Message-ID: <04D85B0D9CDE4096AF44090768A7AD4F@Edscomputer>

Tim,

Did you find the overdrive or parts thereof that you require? If not, I have 
most of that stuff lying around my workbench (somewhere), including a 28% 
sunwheel/planetary gearset.

Ed Woods 

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Mar 16 16:00:41 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:00:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch>
References: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39>
	<801FFA8CA77140508983AEB1B9DEEEA0@gdhs.local> 
	<001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch>
Message-ID: <074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>

> You may try enlarging the needle seat hole, a  trick recommended by
> Kas, and
> now SU provides as well needle floats of larger ID up to .110'' if I
> remember correctly ; see www.sucarb.co.uk
> Cheers! Alex

For those in the USA, you might check with Moss Motors.  Their rep mentioned
at TRfest that they had to use the larger float valve to get adequate fuel
flow for the TR4 blower setup.  That may mean they have the valves available
for sale separately as well.

-- Randall 

From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 16 19:43:31 2011
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 02:43:31 +0000
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>
References: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39><801FFA8CA77140508983AEB1B9DEEEA0@gdhs.local>
	<001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch><074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.82.1300329818.23293.fot@autox.team.net>

I stumbled a lot in the turns with my HS6s. Re-oriented the float bowl tops and floats from side to side to front to back using MGB lids and it solved the problem. 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:00:41 
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

> You may try enlarging the needle seat hole, a  trick recommended by
> Kas, and
> now SU provides as well needle floats of larger ID up to .110'' if I
> remember correctly ; see www.sucarb.co.uk
> Cheers! Alex

For those in the USA, you might check with Moss Motors.  Their rep mentioned
at TRfest that they had to use the larger float valve to get adequate fuel
flow for the TR4 blower setup.  That may mean they have the valves available
for sale separately as well.

-- Randall 
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From ac at camoletti.ch  Thu Mar 17 06:41:48 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:41:48 +0100
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>
References: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39>
	<801FFA8CA77140508983AEB1B9DEEEA0@gdhs.local> 
	<001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch>
	<074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <002701cbe4a9$110f1c40$332d54c0$@camoletti.ch>

Yes, in fact checked on sucarb.co.uk and they have new needle seats with
.125'' bore (ref VZX1090), which is a substantial improvement over stock.
Also one may try to fit smaller floats (the ones of H2), meaning more fuel
in the chamber at all times, therefore able to face a surge with more
comfort.
Let me know your thoughts Amici!
Mr Kastner, at the time when you drilled the needle seats to what ID did you
go to?
Cheers!
Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Randall
Envoyi : jeudi 17 mars 2011 00:01
@ : fot at autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

> You may try enlarging the needle seat hole, a  trick recommended by
> Kas, and now SU provides as well needle floats of larger ID up to
> .110'' if I remember correctly ; see www.sucarb.co.uk Cheers! Alex

For those in the USA, you might check with Moss Motors.  Their rep mentioned
at TRfest that they had to use the larger float valve to get adequate fuel
flow for the TR4 blower setup.  That may mean they have the valves available
for sale separately as well.

-- Randall
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu Mar 17 07:07:31 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 07:07:31 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Morgan Trike
Message-ID: <F87D3229BC914EC09F67A77585893679@Charly>

I guess Morgan's making a trike again.  Maybe someone could translate the
video for us.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

http://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/morgan_events/morgan_events_2011/2011eventspage
s/geneva2011.html#

From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Thu Mar 17 07:26:16 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:26:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <002701cbe4a9$110f1c40$332d54c0$@camoletti.ch>
References: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39>
	<801FFA8CA77140508983AEB1B9DEEEA0@gdhs.local>
	<001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch>
	<074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>
	<002701cbe4a9$110f1c40$332d54c0$@camoletti.ch>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A4080EFBDC2@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Bigger jets means new needle profiles. I suppose if you did the work you could
make sure that you could pump enough air through the engine in all the rpm
ranges to find a suitable needle. I just want to race. When you guys figure
that out let me know.

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Alexandre Camoletti
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 8:42 AM
To: 'Randall'; fot at autox.team.net; John Hasty
Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

Yes, in fact checked on sucarb.co.uk and they have new needle seats with
.125'' bore (ref VZX1090), which is a substantial improvement over stock.
Also one may try to fit smaller floats (the ones of H2), meaning more fuel
in the chamber at all times, therefore able to face a surge with more
comfort.
Let me know your thoughts Amici!
Mr Kastner, at the time when you drilled the needle seats to what ID did you
go to?
Cheers!
Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Randall
Envoyi : jeudi 17 mars 2011 00:01
@ : fot at autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

> You may try enlarging the needle seat hole, a  trick recommended by
> Kas, and now SU provides as well needle floats of larger ID up to
> .110'' if I remember correctly ; see www.sucarb.co.uk Cheers! Alex

For those in the USA, you might check with Moss Motors.  Their rep mentioned
at TRfest that they had to use the larger float valve to get adequate fuel
flow for the TR4 blower setup.  That may mean they have the valves available
for sale separately as well.

-- Randall
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From ac at camoletti.ch  Thu Mar 17 07:33:32 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:33:32 +0100
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A4080EFBDC2@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
References: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39>
	<801FFA8CA77140508983AEB1B9DEEEA0@gdhs.local> 
	<001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch>
	<074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>
	<002701cbe4a9$110f1c40$332d54c0$@camoletti.ch>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A4080EFBDC2@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <003c01cbe4b0$4b5b4200$e211c600$@camoletti.ch>

Hi Bob! Here talking about the needle and seats controlling fuel flow
entering the fuel chambers at the side of the carb, not the main jets and
needles.

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Kramer, Robert [mailto:RKramer at rdoequipment.com]
Envoyi : jeudi 17 mars 2011 15:26
@ : Alexandre Camoletti; 'Randall'; fot at autox.team.net; John Hasty
Objet : RE: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

Bigger jets means new needle profiles. I suppose if you did the work you
could make sure that you could pump enough air through the engine in all the
rpm ranges to find a suitable needle. I just want to race. When you guys
figure that out let me know.

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Alexandre Camoletti
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 8:42 AM
To: 'Randall'; fot at autox.team.net; John Hasty
Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

Yes, in fact checked on sucarb.co.uk and they have new needle seats with
.125'' bore (ref VZX1090), which is a substantial improvement over stock.
Also one may try to fit smaller floats (the ones of H2), meaning more fuel
in the chamber at all times, therefore able to face a surge with more
comfort.
Let me know your thoughts Amici!
Mr Kastner, at the time when you drilled the needle seats to what ID did you
go to?
Cheers!
Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Randall Envoyi : jeudi 17 mars 2011 00:01 @ : fot at autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

> You may try enlarging the needle seat hole, a  trick recommended by
> Kas, and now SU provides as well needle floats of larger ID up to
> .110'' if I remember correctly ; see www.sucarb.co.uk Cheers! Alex

For those in the USA, you might check with Moss Motors.  Their rep mentioned
at TRfest that they had to use the larger float valve to get adequate fuel
flow for the TR4 blower setup.  That may mean they have the valves available
for sale separately as well.

-- Randall
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Thu Mar 17 07:39:48 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:39:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <092501cbe4b0$66dbd0d0$0301a8c0@randall>
References: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39><801FFA8CA77140508983AEB1B9DEEEA0@gdhs.local>
	<001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch><074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>
	<002701cbe4a9$110f1c40$332d54c0$@camoletti.ch>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A4080EFBDC2@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
	<092501cbe4b0$66dbd0d0$0301a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A4080EFBE1C@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Oops, I haven't kept up with the thread. I can't keep up with all the emails
that come across this list, but I should know better than to reply without
having done so.

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson





-----Original Message-----
From: Randall [mailto:TR3driver at ca.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 9:34 AM
To: Kramer, Robert
Subject: RE: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

Er, no, we are talking about the float valve, not the mixture needle.

-- Randall

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kramer, Robert [mailto:RKramer at rdoequipment.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 7:26 AM
> To: Alexandre Camoletti; 'Randall'; fot at autox.team.net; John Hasty
> Subject: RE: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
>
> Bigger jets means new needle profiles. I suppose if you did
> the work you could make sure that you could pump enough air
> through the engine in all the rpm ranges to find a suitable
> needle. I just want to race. When you guys figure that out
> let me know.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Texas Rental Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-687-7422 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
> Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term
> goals are the keys to your success.
> ~Mac Anderson
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alexandre Camoletti
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 8:42 AM
> To: 'Randall'; fot at autox.team.net; John Hasty
> Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
>
> Yes, in fact checked on sucarb.co.uk and they have new needle
> seats with
> .125'' bore (ref VZX1090), which is a substantial improvement
> over stock.
> Also one may try to fit smaller floats (the ones of H2),
> meaning more fuel
> in the chamber at all times, therefore able to face a surge with more
> comfort.
> Let me know your thoughts Amici!
> Mr Kastner, at the time when you drilled the needle seats to
> what ID did you
> go to?
> Cheers!
> Alex
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
> part de Randall
> Envoyi : jeudi 17 mars 2011 00:01
> @ : fot at autox.team.net
> Objet : Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
>
> > You may try enlarging the needle seat hole, a  trick recommended by
> > Kas, and now SU provides as well needle floats of larger ID up to
> > .110'' if I remember correctly ; see www.sucarb.co.uk Cheers! Alex
>
> For those in the USA, you might check with Moss Motors.
> Their rep mentioned
> at TRfest that they had to use the larger float valve to get
> adequate fuel
> flow for the TR4 blower setup.  That may mean they have the
> valves available
> for sale separately as well.
>
> -- Randall
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From 58tr3a at videotron.ca  Thu Mar 17 07:59:04 2011
From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:59:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Morgan Trike
References: <F87D3229BC914EC09F67A77585893679@Charly>
Message-ID: <AFE542A976DB4934811F79BADCC093C4@elliott7455dae>

The first video shows a man sitting in the driver's seat of a Morgan and he 
is telling about an architect friend who always dreamed of having one and 
when he saw one parked on a street in Paris, he left his business card and 
eventually bought it.  He was most pleased with the car.

The second bit of video shows an intervewer asking about the price of the 
TRIKE.  The tall Brit replies 43,000.00 Euros.  Oh ! says the interviewer, 
that's not cheap !!!

----------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charly Mitchel" <charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>; "Steve Hare" <haretoday at comcast.net>; "Jeff Quick" 
<quicktr4 at comcast.net>; "Mark York" <m-syork at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 10:07 AM
Subject: [Fot] Morgan Trike


>I guess Morgan's making a trike again.  Maybe someone could translate the
> video for us.
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44
>
> http://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/morgan_events/morgan_events_2011/2011eventspage
> s/geneva2011.html#
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Thu Mar 17 09:26:40 2011
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:26:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Morgan Trike
In-Reply-To: <F87D3229BC914EC09F67A77585893679@Charly>
	<AFE542A976DB4934811F79BADCC093C4@elliott7455dae>
References: <F87D3229BC914EC09F67A77585893679@Charly>
	<AFE542A976DB4934811F79BADCC093C4@elliott7455dae>
Message-ID: <BAY157-ds98F0B6F18D4428C6B9BB7C3B10@phx.gbl>

While being very very cool, it is far too expensive.  Still if I had the extra
cash there would be one in my garage.

Also it is powered by an S&S clone of a Harley Davidson engine.   I do find
this to be an appropriate choice as the original Moggy Trikes used off the
shelf V-Twin motorcycle engines.

Terry Stetler

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Mar 17 11:40:12 2011
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:40:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Have acquired overdrive
Message-ID: <000001cbe4d2$c1236ae0$436a40a0$@com>

Thanks to all those who responded to my request for an "A" Type overdrive
with offers of parts, overdrive units and advice.  I tried to reply to
everyone who responded but may have missed some, there were a lot of
e-mails.  My apologies if I didn't get back to you.  The FOT and its members
are amazing!    Thanks to Mark J. Bradikis for making this possible.

I decided to "upgrade" to a TR4 transmission from our TR3 box and purchased
a "new" transmission and overdrive from John Esposito at Quatumechanics.
The transmission will have the larger layshaft bearings and the steel
bushings.  John was very helpful with advice and good to work with.  It got
to be that the cost of the repair parts for my old overdrive would have been
more than 50% of the cost of the "new" transmission and overdrive from John,
easy decision once I got to that point.  We had an old TR4 non-overdrive
tranny from a rolling chassis we picked up that we can use for the exchange
with John.  About the only really good parts from the old OD are the rear
housing, planet gears, accumulator and actuator pistons and some hardware.
The main shaft would have to be replaced also.  At least now I have a
"dummy" main shaft for reassembling overdrives, that's about all the old one
is good for; lining up the splines.

After advice from a number of people, including Kas, I decided to stay with
the 22% OD with our 4.3 diff.  It gives a good combination of a lot of punch
in 2nd and 3rd direct drive with a good overall ratio, 3.52, in 4th
overdrive, better than the 3.7 in the standard non-overdrive setup.  And I
learned that there is a bit more to using the 28% in the TR than a simple
change of some gears.

I did learn a lot more about the OD.  I had a nice phone conversation with
Jay Holekamp and Steve Yott drove up from southern Wisconsin in his
beautiful '67 TR4A to deliver one of his modified oil pumps, which will also
be a good upgrade to the engine, and gave me some more good information on
the OD.  Jay put me on to the write up by Nelson Rydel on the Buckeye
Triumphs website which is really good for explaining the overdrive, its
operation, disassembly, reassembly and troubleshooting.  I would recommend
it to anyone who wants to work on the overdrive.  A great piece of technical
writing.  Thanks to Irv Korey for putting me in touch with these two, both
great guys.  The VTR write up by Larry Young and Sam Clark of Green County
Triumphs is also good and recommended.

It's been fun taking the OD apart and learning more about it.  I think it
will now be part of the regular checkups on the engine and transmission to
disassemble the OD and check things over before I have another catastrophic
failure.  I don't know if I could have prevented the last one but maybe I
could have limited the damage had I checked it earlier.  The only thing I
didn't get removed was the pump body.  I made the puller but it didn't want
to start to move very easily.  I stopped before I busted something.  I've
learned since that they pump body comes out really hard.  It would seem
unless there is a problem with building up enough pressure that it might be
best just to leave well enough alone.

                Again, thanks to everyone.  We should get the new unit in
plenty of time to make the first race.  And, it should be one less thing to
worry about on the track.  I tend to drive like a mechanic anyway, thinking
too much about the car.  Really can't help it, it's the engineer in meJ
Just takes me awhile to stop thinking about the car and just drive!!!

 

Tim

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 17 18:06:36 2011
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:06:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VARA's British Extravaganza "Special" for FOT attending the
 Kastner Cup race
Message-ID: <5E9FCF26-CD6F-4C94-8CC8-7C9E8B996318@earthlink.net>

FOT,

I've got the official word from VARA about the British Extravaganza,  
Buttonwillow Raceway, CA, June 4-5

Here are the details:

Entry Form: a special entry form for FOT will be posted to the VARA  
website.
Waived Fees: Non-Member entry fees and late fees will be waived when  
mentioning FOT upon sign-up
Gate fee:  $10 per person

The BE is a 2 day event, but people may arrive Friday to set up.

SAT & SUN  $275  (Includes 2 BBQ tix)

Saturday includes 1 Practice session and 1 Qualifying Race.
FOT entrants are welcome to do tours on Sat with the Ground-School  
folks.
FOT is also welcome to the FRI-night Ground School "Class"  The track  
map is covered in the 1st half-hour and they are welcome to leave  
after that.


SUNDAY ONLY  $175 (includes 1 BBQ ticket if arriving Sat)

Sunday includes 3 sessions plus a track-tour

Early Track tour
Morning Practice
Triumph Challenge Race
Flag Race
GRID POSITION: Since Sat. is for qualifying, Sun FOT racers will start  
at the back of the pack for the Triumph Challenge and Flag Race

TECH: Just like the Kaster event in Monterey, we will have our own  
tech inspector, cars must have a log-book and will be tech'ed based on  
their current organization.


SPECIAL PHOTO
Right after the Triumph Challenge Race, all Triumph Racers,  Including  
those who have their car in tow and will NOT be racing, may gather for  
a group photo, (That I think we can purchase.)


A few Buttonwillow Links:

http://buttonwillowraceway.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K61ETcvrowY&feature=related


Feel free to email me with any questions or concerns about the event.

~Steve Belfer

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Mar 18 13:41:57 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:41:57 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Spa
In-Reply-To: <5E9FCF26-CD6F-4C94-8CC8-7C9E8B996318@earthlink.net>
References: <5E9FCF26-CD6F-4C94-8CC8-7C9E8B996318@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <007601cbe5ac$eda26690$c8e733b0$@com>

I realized that I never had done a youtube version of Spa.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJPVLPWQfYY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG5rhZn3Mzo

Have fun!

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 18 19:07:42 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:07:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
Message-ID: <BLU160-w55E73BA88436D8FBDE2735BAB30@phx.gbl>

FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded  oil  marketed as for flat
tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt. They
list both conventional and semi-synthetic.

Marty

From tlizzard at msn.com  Fri Mar 18 21:37:25 2011
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 00:37:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-w55E73BA88436D8FBDE2735BAB30@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-w55E73BA88436D8FBDE2735BAB30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY157-ds12A651D9AF0F86AF8A528EC3B30@phx.gbl>

I wonder who is packaging it for them?

And what other brand name it is sold under?

One of the little secrets of the refining industry is that there are lots of
different brands of oil, but not really many manufacturers.
I've been trying to find a list of who really makes what, and what brands are
all the same, but it's very closely kept info.


Terry Stetler
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: marty sukey<mailto:trmarty at hotmail.com>
  To: FOT<mailto:fot at autox.team.net> ; Triumph
List<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:07 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil


  FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded  oil  marketed as for
flat
  tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt.
They
  list both conventional and semi-synthetic.

  Marty
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Mar 19 02:37:22 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 10:37:22 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <BAY157-ds12A651D9AF0F86AF8A528EC3B30@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-w55E73BA88436D8FBDE2735BAB30@phx.gbl>
	<BAY157-ds12A651D9AF0F86AF8A528EC3B30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000601cbe619$41e86030$c5b92090$@com>

Hi,

this is maybe more a call for the European TR drivers:

The German rules for vintage cars got more strict and a friend of mine has
trouble to get the permission to run his Cosmic wheels.
http://trtom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tr6-cosmic-wheels-heiner-01.jpg?w=4
50&h=248

He needs historic documents that these wheels were sold for or with Triumph
cars in that time.
Best would be a catalogue, historic photos, any kind of datasheet.

Anybody able to help?

Cheers
Chris

From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Sat Mar 19 03:07:50 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:07:50 +1000
Subject: [Fot] GT6 vented brake kit for sale
Message-ID: <AANLkTin+ApODBnsQRd_EDt1-WR-ds25T7mofdWHGPqJW@mail.gmail.com>

i have a road/race brake kit, bolted up but never used.  just fits under 13"
alloy wheels
front: willwood alloy calipers, custom alloy mounts, vented rotors.
rear, alloy PBR calipers with in-built handbrake mechanism (rebuilt), custom
mounts for Mk2 uprights, solid rotors. these are drilled for 4 x 4.5PCD (TR6
pattern, but could be redrileld to 4 x 3 3/4 (GT6). i have 3sets of these
calipers incl TR6 mounts

email me directly if anyone is interested in buying them

thanks

Terry o'Beirne
Australia

From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Sat Mar 19 03:39:23 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:39:23 +1000
Subject: [Fot] 1 piece valves advice
Message-ID: <AANLkTikyBm4n9XY_P0KuVNU9O5d9gHkG3E9rpYVPv+hU@mail.gmail.com>

can anyone point me to a reputable supplier of 1-piece TR6/GT6 valves suit
race use . years ago i got a few sets from Moss USA, made in Argentina,
fabulous quality, but alas, no longer supplied.
would prefer leads from people who are actually using the valves in race
applications.

many thanks, terry o'beirne
 AUSTRALIA

From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Mar 19 06:07:20 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:07:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <000601cbe619$41e86030$c5b92090$@com>
Message-ID: <224540.10297.qm@smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I am sure that Road and Track had advertisments for these wheels. What year
documentation does he need?

Paul 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: March 19, 2011 5:37 AM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels

Hi,

this is maybe more a call for the European TR drivers:

The German rules for vintage cars got more strict and a friend of mine has
trouble to get the permission to run his Cosmic wheels.
http://trtom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tr6-cosmic-wheels-heiner-01.jpg?w=4
50&h=248

He needs historic documents that these wheels were sold for or with Triumph
cars in that time.
Best would be a catalogue, historic photos, any kind of datasheet.

Anybody able to help?

Cheers
Chris
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Mar 19 06:15:32 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:15:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] looking for tr3/tr4 header
Message-ID: <8CDB44EDC559857-2C48-4D3A@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com>

 preferably stainless steel

used/new

thanks




=

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Mar 19 06:51:11 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:51:11 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <224540.10297.qm@smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <000601cbe619$41e86030$c5b92090$@com>
	<224540.10297.qm@smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000801cbe63c$b5dee0e0$219ca2a0$@com>

Thank you for reply,
He is looking for a TR4 so I think the years from 1961 - 1970 should be fine
for documentation.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: macdonaldp [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Mdrz 2011 14:07
An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Cosmic wheels

I am sure that Road and Track had advertisments for these wheels. What year
documentation does he need?

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: March 19, 2011 5:37 AM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels

Hi,

this is maybe more a call for the European TR drivers:

The German rules for vintage cars got more strict and a friend of mine has
trouble to get the permission to run his Cosmic wheels.
http://trtom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tr6-cosmic-wheels-heiner-01.jpg?w=4
50&h=248

He needs historic documents that these wheels were sold for or with Triumph
cars in that time.
Best would be a catalogue, historic photos, any kind of datasheet.

Anybody able to help?

Cheers
Chris
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 19 12:38:00 2011
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:38:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <000601cbe619$41e86030$c5b92090$@com>
References: <BLU160-w55E73BA88436D8FBDE2735BAB30@phx.gbl>
	<BAY157-ds12A651D9AF0F86AF8A528EC3B30@phx.gbl>
	<000601cbe619$41e86030$c5b92090$@com>
Message-ID: <920855.29185.qm@web46105.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Chris;
It may not be much help but I run Cosmic wheels.  I have not seen
anyone else 
with them.  My Father in Law bought the car and had it restored
many years ago.  
It came with the wheels as it was run in the 60's and 70's.
Good luck.
Mike Mehl #46 TR4




________________________________
From:
MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 2:37:22 AM
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels

Hi,

this
is maybe more a call for the European TR drivers:

The German rules for
vintage cars got more strict and a friend of mine has
trouble to get the
permission to run his Cosmic wheels.
http://trtom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tr6-cosmic-wheels-heiner-01.jpg?w=4
50&h=248

He needs historic documents that these wheels were sold for or with
Triumph
cars in that time.
Best would be a catalogue, historic photos, any
kind of datasheet.

Anybody able to help?

Cheers
Chris
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Sat Mar 19 18:55:51 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 01:55:51 GMT
Subject: [Fot] 1 piece valves advice
Message-ID: <20110319.215551.3230.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com>

If you can't find any readily available, you can have a company like Manley
Performance custom make them for you.  I had some made for my TR3 once, some
years ago.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Enquiries Road & Track" <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] 1 piece valves advice
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:39:23 +1000

can anyone point me to a reputable supplier of 1-piece TR6/GT6 valves suit
race use . years ago i got a few sets from Moss USA, made in Argentina,
fabulous quality, but alas, no longer supplied.
would prefer leads from people who are actually using the valves in race
applications.

many thanks, terry o'beirne
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Sun Mar 20 05:35:49 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 08:35:49 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Introduction to the List
Message-ID: <25c7a.41cf19a6.3ab74ea5@aol.com>

Hello
My name is Sam Clark and my wife, Carol, and I instigated the formation of  
Green Country Triumphs in 1993.  We bought our TR3 back in 1989 and it was  
an experience.  It was in a friend's garage and Carol fell in love with  
it.  It didn't run but with a little gas in the carbs it would start.   The 
brakes were toast due to DOT3 fluid so we took to a local shop to have them  
rebuilt.  I had no experience with British cars to that point, having owned  
Mustangs before but the learning curve was steep after having to pay someone 
to  work on the car.  I soon bought a manual and stared doing the work my  
self.  In 1995 We bought a 1972 TR6 from California and restored it.   2 
years ago we bought a '72 GT6 and have been working on it.  Even though  we 
don't race (not enough funds) our Club supports our members by doing the work  
on their cars free of charge (if they buy the parts and consumables).  I  
have helped Larry Young on his race car and have tried to support him with 
some  of the work.  We rebuild transmissions and overdrive units for the club 
and  are published on the TVR site for our work.
Thanks to Larry Young for the nomination and Andy Mace for the  second. 
I'm sure that Carol and I have met a lot of y'all and look forward to  
seeing all y'all soon.
Sam and Carol Clark
Green Country Triumphs (Tulsa, OK)

From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 16 09:10:26 2011
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:10:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Type A OD, either 22% or 28% (AH)
References: <000301cbdf55$666af190$3340d4b0$@com>
Message-ID: <B744ED81D2C44615866509315FD6DC6C@Edscomputer>

Tim,

Did you find the overdrive or parts thereof that you require? If not, I have 
most of that stuff lying around my workbench (somewhere), including a 28% 
sunwheel/planetary gearset.

Ed Woods 

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Mar 20 09:35:23 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:35:23 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Off list :  Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <15C89AF84D474FF6BF750C8B624659C3@FreddPC>
References: <15C89AF84D474FF6BF750C8B624659C3@FreddPC>
Message-ID: <000d01cbe71c$d1aae6d0$7500b470$@com>

Information about Cosmic wheels are really rare.
I found nothing usable.
Thank you for the idea with the Belgian Register - maybe they have
something.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Fredd [mailto:fal at knology.net]
Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Mdrz 2011 21:50
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Off list : [Fot] Cosmic wheels

Chris,

In the 60s and 70s you could buy those Cosmic in many accessorie shops in
Belgium.
I had those on a used TR6 I bought in 1971 in Belgium.
Maybe you can contact the TR Register Belgium with your question.

I live in the USA since 1990 and have never seen these wheels in the US.

Best,
Fredd


> ________________________________
> From:
> MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 2:37:22 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
>
> Hi,
>
> this
> is maybe more a call for the European TR drivers:
>
> The German rules for
> vintage cars got more strict and a friend of mine has
> trouble to get the
> permission to run his Cosmic wheels.
>
http://trtom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tr6-cosmic-wheels-heiner-01.jpg?w=4
> 50&h=248
>
> He needs historic documents that these wheels were sold for or with
> Triumph
> cars in that time.
> Best would be a catalogue, historic photos, any
> kind of datasheet.
>
> Anybody able to help?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> http://www.fot-racing.com

From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 16 09:10:26 2011
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:10:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Type A OD, either 22% or 28% (AH)
References: <000301cbdf55$666af190$3340d4b0$@com>
Message-ID: <D81D3B3E6B2A4B529246373D4B36982D@Edscomputer>

Tim,

Did you find the overdrive or parts thereof that you require? If not, I have 
most of that stuff lying around my workbench (somewhere), including a 28% 
sunwheel/planetary gearset.

Ed Woods 

From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 16 09:10:26 2011
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:10:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Type A OD, either 22% or 28% (AH)
References: <000301cbdf55$666af190$3340d4b0$@com>
Message-ID: <C041035D4F8E4D05B610C77E110909AD@Edscomputer>

Tim,

Did you find the overdrive or parts thereof that you require? If not, I have 
most of that stuff lying around my workbench (somewhere), including a 28% 
sunwheel/planetary gearset.

Ed Woods 

From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Sun Mar 20 11:16:21 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:16:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Off list :  Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <000d01cbe71c$d1aae6d0$7500b470$@com>
Message-ID: <794185.52981.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Chris:
Found it - http://www.cosmic-wheels.com/

--- On Sun, 3/20/11, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:


From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Off list : Cosmic wheels
To: "'Friends of Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 11:35 AM


Information about Cosmic wheels are really rare.
I found nothing usable.
Thank you for the idea with the Belgian Register - maybe they have
something.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Fredd [mailto:fal at knology.net]
Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Mdrz 2011 21:50
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Off list : [Fot] Cosmic wheels

Chris,

In the 60s and 70s you could buy those Cosmic in many accessorie shops in
Belgium.
I had those on a used TR6 I bought in 1971 in Belgium.
Maybe you can contact the TR Register Belgium with your question.

I live in the USA since 1990 and have never seen these wheels in the US.

Best,
Fredd


> ________________________________
> From:
> MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 2:37:22 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
>
> Hi,
>
> this
> is maybe more a call for the European TR drivers:
>
> The German rules for
> vintage cars got more strict and a friend of mine has
> trouble to get the
> permission to run his Cosmic wheels.
>
http://trtom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tr6-cosmic-wheels-heiner-01.jpg?w=4
> 50&h=248
>
> He needs historic documents that these wheels were sold for or with
> Triumph
> cars in that time.
> Best would be a catalogue, historic photos, any
> kind of datasheet.
>
> Anybody able to help?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.fot-racing.com
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sun Mar 20 11:46:22 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:46:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Off list :  Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <000d01cbe71c$d1aae6d0$7500b470$@com>
Message-ID: <995249.86442.qm@smtp107.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Here is a scan of an accessory magasine from October 1971.

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/Cosmic.jpg

I will attach a higher resolution scan to Chris (which will be stripped from
the list email.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: March 20, 2011 12:35 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Off list : Cosmic wheels

Information about Cosmic wheels are really rare.
I found nothing usable.
Thank you for the idea with the Belgian Register - maybe they have
something.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Fredd [mailto:fal at knology.net]
Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Mdrz 2011 21:50
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Off list : [Fot] Cosmic wheels

Chris,

In the 60s and 70s you could buy those Cosmic in many accessorie shops in
Belgium.
I had those on a used TR6 I bought in 1971 in Belgium.
Maybe you can contact the TR Register Belgium with your question.

I live in the USA since 1990 and have never seen these wheels in the US.

Best,
Fredd


> ________________________________
> From:
> MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 2:37:22 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
>
> Hi,
>
> this
> is maybe more a call for the European TR drivers:
>
> The German rules for
> vintage cars got more strict and a friend of mine has trouble to get 
> the permission to run his Cosmic wheels.
>
http://trtom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tr6-cosmic-wheels-heiner-01.jpg?w=4
> 50&h=248
>
> He needs historic documents that these wheels were sold for or with 
> Triumph cars in that time.
> Best would be a catalogue, historic photos, any kind of datasheet.
>
> Anybody able to help?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.fot-racing.com
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[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Cosmic.JPG]

From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sun Mar 20 11:55:42 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:55:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Off list :  Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <794185.52981.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <207766.47660.qm@smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 A contact from the forum at the link below.

http://www.cosmic-wheels.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?726

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD
Sent: March 20, 2011 2:16 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'; MadMarx
Subject: Re: [Fot] Off list : Cosmic wheels

Chris:
Found it - http://www.cosmic-wheels.com/

--- On Sun, 3/20/11, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:


From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Off list : Cosmic wheels
To: "'Friends of Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 11:35 AM


Information about Cosmic wheels are really rare.
I found nothing usable.
Thank you for the idea with the Belgian Register - maybe they have
something.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Fredd [mailto:fal at knology.net]
Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Mdrz 2011 21:50
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Off list : [Fot] Cosmic wheels

Chris,

In the 60s and 70s you could buy those Cosmic in many accessorie shops in
Belgium.
I had those on a used TR6 I bought in 1971 in Belgium.
Maybe you can contact the TR Register Belgium with your question.

I live in the USA since 1990 and have never seen these wheels in the US.

Best,
Fredd

From REK46 at aol.com  Sun Mar 20 14:25:37 2011
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:25:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Looking for header
Message-ID: <4bcad.28653d11.3ab7cad1@aol.com>

Seriously looking for a Stahl competition exh header for Spit  
1296/MkIII...1 3/8"tubing...4 into one type as orig produced in the  70s/80s...for SCCA 
Spitfires F/P....Contact me off-list at _rek46 at aol.com_ 
(mailto:rek46 at aol.com) .. to replace for this season due  to damage from last year......rick 
kristoff
 
 
In a message dated 3/20/2011 12:33:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
fogbro1 at comcast.net writes:

Tim,

Did you find the overdrive or parts thereof that you  require? If not, I 
have 
most of that stuff lying around my workbench  (somewhere), including a 28% 
sunwheel/planetary gearset.

Ed Woods  
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From REK46 at aol.com  Sun Mar 20 14:28:20 2011
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:28:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <4be33.597974a.3ab7cb74@aol.com>

Is this the way to post an orig thread start?

From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Sun Mar 20 15:28:28 2011
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 22:28:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Southwick hubs
Message-ID: <2048885697.1574828.1300660108521.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

HelloB B  Does the installation of these front hubs increase the front trac
?B B B  thanksB B  rob

From REK46 at aol.com  Mon Mar 21 06:11:42 2011
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:11:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Sahl header wanted
Message-ID: <209fe.7e75a69f.3ab8a88e@aol.com>

Looking for a Stahl competition header for Spit Mk III 1296....1 3/8"  
tubes, 4 into one...made by Stahl in the 70's/80's for SCCA Spits F/P...good  
condition,no kinks. Contact me off-line  _rek46 at aol.com_ 
(mailto:rek46 at aol.com)   . Need to replace my damaged  one ,for this season....Rick 

From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Mar 21 08:09:03 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:09:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Summit Point
Message-ID: <33E37B0FFDEA439B920DFA8E4632276C@gdhs.local>

The last time I raced at Summit Point was in the 70's on a 350cc Yamaha and
now that I plan to run the VDCA/VRG event in May with my TR3A, memory does
not serve me well as to how to get there and where to stay. All I can
remember is that we exited I 81 one exit north of the Holiday Inn in
Whichester, VA; took the left hand of the fork in the road and somehow wound
up at the track and camped out at the track.  Hope someone out there can
advise......thanks to all

John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
719 East Boulevard
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Mon Mar 21 09:05:45 2011
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:05:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Summit Point
In-Reply-To: <33E37B0FFDEA439B920DFA8E4632276C@gdhs.local>
References: <33E37B0FFDEA439B920DFA8E4632276C@gdhs.local>
Message-ID: <4826b02f2f044f92c8b838793f8fbc29.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

Hi John,

There's lots of good info including maps and
places to stay on their website:

http://www.summitpoint-raceway.com/

If you need more info, send me an e-mail,
I can probably help.  I sort of consider
Summit my home track.  I usually camped
at the track, though.

John

On Mon, March 21, 2011 11:09 am, John Hasty wrote:
> The last time I raced at Summit Point was in the 70's on a 350cc Yamaha
> and
> now that I plan to run the VDCA/VRG event in May with my TR3A, memory does
> not serve me well as to how to get there and where to stay. All I can
> remember is that we exited I 81 one exit north of the Holiday Inn in
> Whichester, VA; took the left hand of the fork in the road and somehow
> wound
> up at the track and camped out at the track.  Hope someone out there can
> advise......thanks to all
>
> John H. Hasty
> Attorney At Law
> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
> 719 East Boulevard
> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Mar 21 14:30:03 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:30:03 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <207766.47660.qm@smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <794185.52981.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<207766.47660.qm@smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001001cbe80f$26831770$73894650$@com>

Well, thank you all for the information I've got.
I forwarded all to my friend and hope for best that he gets permission to
run these wheels.

Cheers
Chris

From rodkent at cox.net  Tue Mar 22 14:03:39 2011
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:03:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] panasport wheels
Message-ID: <20110322170339.0II0I.153967.imail@fed1rmwml41>

I appreciate the responses I recieved for the gt-6 bits I was selling. About the only thing I have left are the panasports and glass bonnet. The wheels are 6 x 13, with 4 3/8 backspacing. NIB, 550.00 set + shipping. thanks.......rod

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 22 17:13:37 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:13:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6/ TR4A Carrera shocks
Message-ID: <BLU160-w6336C59F26AFE66480455FBAB70@phx.gbl>

In case there might be any interest, I have a nice set of Carrera front shocks
on ebay. P/N 3336

Marty

From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Wed Mar 23 13:11:50 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 06:11:50 +1000
Subject: [Fot] chasing smiths tacho
Message-ID: <AANLkTimsXAtr6eQn=8q6ZcuoBXRBY4Hg9wK1=vguMBaE@mail.gmail.com>

i'm after a 4" smiths tacho, electronic, 0-8000 or greater to greater to fit
into our GT6 racer. anyone???
thanks, terry

From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Wed Mar 23 17:19:34 2011
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:19:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Unknown TR Part
Message-ID: <FEF147D7-EBF2-40C3-8BD9-4372B7869469@wi.rr.com>

FoT,

Does anyone know what the conical(half) shaped piece of metal is that  
is attached at the left (driver's side) mounting point for the  
steering rack? It sits about 1/2" in front of the lower left front  
corner of the engine block. Is it to prevent the engine from surging  
forward under extreme de-acceleration?

Allen


Allen & Jody Washatko
1971 TR6  - Number 6

From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 24 06:28:06 2011
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:28:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pain.head gaskets
Message-ID: <D129E022-1EB2-47AC-BEC5-D1989082D81C@gmail.com>

I just tried go order a payen head gasket for my TR4 and was informed that
payen has stopped producing them.  Anyone know of a suitable replacement for
the stock type head gasket?

Brad

From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu Mar 24 07:01:04 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:01:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Unknown TR Part
References: <FEF147D7-EBF2-40C3-8BD9-4372B7869469@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <498F2EAFF072412289A8A3183207A49B@Charly>

Yes that is the purpose of it.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Allen Washatko" <awashatko at wi.rr.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 5:19 PM
Subject: [Fot] Unknown TR Part


> FoT,
>
> Does anyone know what the conical(half) shaped piece of metal is that
> is attached at the left (driver's side) mounting point for the
> steering rack? It sits about 1/2" in front of the lower left front
> corner of the engine block. Is it to prevent the engine from surging
> forward under extreme de-acceleration?
>
> Allen
>
>
> Allen & Jody Washatko
> 1971 TR6  - Number 6
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Mar 24 08:40:53 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:40:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 10   X   20   CANOPY FOR SALE
Message-ID: <8CDB850FE7ACEBC-1E78-E352@webmail-m130.sysops.aol.com>

 I have a little used canopy    10 x 20  with corner pieces and tie backs.

silver canopy with one small tear........ in very good condition.s

I will be at VIR in April.  And Button Willow & Laguna Seca in June

I have poles cut to length and may be able to transport if there is an
interest...in tube.

Thanks,  Joe

From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu Mar 24 12:55:39 2011
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 14:55:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] canopy sale
Message-ID: <4D8BA1BB.4000602@bright.net>

We just returned from Sebring 12 hour. We purchased a new 10' x 20" 
canopy that we used as part of our booth.  Used for 5 days. White powder 
coated legs, white top and a pitched roof. The legs fit into each other 
so the disassembled package size is small. No need to figure out how to 
carry 10' poles. Anchors and tie downs never used (we tied onto the tent 
on either side of our booth). Roof has valences that come over the sides 
about 6" to keep out the "weather". Side walls fit up under these 
valences for a good seal. This is canopy and frame only. Side wall kits 
are readily available or make your own  from vinyl tarps.  This is a 
5-day-old-new unit - no tears and ready to go.  Thaks for your time. Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US&  Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022

From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Thu Mar 24 17:17:03 2011
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:17:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Unknown TR Part
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1103241007420.29336@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <6907A9C7-79EB-49FB-A28D-2A27287C3234@wi.rr.com>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Robert M. Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
> Date: March 24, 2011 9:15:39 AM CDT
> To: Allen Washatko <awashatko at wi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Unknown TR Part
>
> Hi,
>
> I've often pondered that piece. I can't recall for sure, but I'm  
> next to positive that it's there to keep the steering rack from  
> being able to move back in the case of a frontal collision. The  
> intent would be to limit damage to the driver - like being impaled  
> by the steering column.
>
> I don't know of that part was on the TR250, but I'm next to positive  
> it's on all TR6's.
>
> I do know that NHTSA or some similar goverenment safety entity  
> mandated some form of safety device to control the potential of  
> occupants getting impaled - US manufacturers mostly adopted  
> collapsable steering columns. Triumph had the challenge of the tight  
> space between the column and the engine on LHD cars. So a stop was  
> implimented.
>
> So, I think it's a stop to keep the steering rack and column from  
> intruding the passenger compartment in a frontal collision.
>
> I'll be interested to know what others reply on this topic.
>
> regards,
> rml
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bob Lang              Triumph TR6!!            |  This space for rent
> Former NER Solo Chair                          |
> Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Allen & Jody Washatko
1971 TR6  - Number 6

From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Thu Mar 24 17:17:13 2011
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:17:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Unknown TR Part
References: <498F2EAFF072412289A8A3183207A49B@Charly>
Message-ID: <C20F8DD2-74BC-4356-9CBD-63B029B1A24F@wi.rr.com>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Charly Mitchel" <charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
> Date: March 24, 2011 9:01:04 AM CDT
> To: "Allen Washatko" <awashatko at wi.rr.com>, "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net 
> >
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Unknown TR Part
>
> Yes that is the purpose of it.
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Washatko" <awashatko at wi.rr.com 
> >
> To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 5:19 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Unknown TR Part
>
>
>> FoT,
>>
>> Does anyone know what the conical(half) shaped piece of metal is that
>> is attached at the left (driver's side) mounting point for the
>> steering rack? It sits about 1/2" in front of the lower left front
>> corner of the engine block. Is it to prevent the engine from surging
>> forward under extreme de-acceleration?
>>
>> Allen
>>
>>
>> Allen & Jody Washatko
>> 1971 TR6  - Number 6
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com
>>
>

Jody & Allen Washatko
W51 N664 Highland Drive
Cedarburg, WI. 53012
USA

tel. (262) 617-6801

From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Thu Mar 24 17:17:27 2011
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:17:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Unknown TR Part
References: <746751.98648.qm@web87116.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48BEE3EB-016B-49B9-86F3-0E0412250299@wi.rr.com>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: JOSEPH HUGHES <tr5racer at btinternet.com>
> Date: March 24, 2011 4:49:15 AM CDT
> To: Allen Washatko <awashatko at wi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Unknown TR Part
>
> Dont know Allen, but I cut off the one on my race car chassis  
> several years ago as iit is easier to get the engine in without it  
> and it doesnt seem to have created any problems.
>
> Mike Hughes
>
> --- On Thu, 24/3/11, Allen Washatko <awashatko at wi.rr.com> wrote:
>
> From: Allen Washatko <awashatko at wi.rr.com>
> Subject: [Fot] Unknown TR Part
> To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: Thursday, 24 March, 2011, 0:19
>
> FoT,
>
> Does anyone know what the conical(half) shaped piece of metal is that
> is attached at the left (driver's side) mounting point for the
> steering rack? It sits about 1/2" in front of the lower left front
> corner of the engine block. Is it to prevent the engine from surging
> forward under extreme de-acceleration?
>
> Allen
>
>
> Allen & Jody Washatko
> 1971 TR6  - Number 6
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr5racer at btinternet.com
>
>
>

Allen & Jody Washatko
1971 TR6  - Number 6

From mpendy at dishmail.net  Thu Mar 24 21:28:50 2011
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 21:28:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pain.head gaskets
References: <D129E022-1EB2-47AC-BEC5-D1989082D81C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F9EA46FAD024BD5B4594CF4AD96391F@Pendys>

Brad; i have found that the Cometic gasket works good for my application 
with no issues.Fast and friendly service and they will build to suite. 
Mark
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Kahler" <bkahler1 at gmail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 6:28 AM
Subject: [Fot] Pain.head gaskets


>I just tried go order a payen head gasket for my TR4 and was informed that
> payen has stopped producing them.  Anyone know of a suitable replacement 
> for
> the stock type head gasket?
>
> Brad
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Mar 24 21:59:09 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:59:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil pressure line flare type
Message-ID: <20110325050103.71BB9187670@autox.team.net>

FoT

I bought one of Ted's braided oil pressure lines. I would like to shorten 

up the hard line coming from the filter head and was wondering if I could do
it

with a regular brake line flaring tool. Does anyone know if it's the same
flare ?

Thanks as always,

jim g

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Mar 25 08:22:36 2011
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:22:36 EDT
Subject: [Fot] BARRY MUNSON'S   NEW FOT PATCHES - AVAILABLE at VIR
Message-ID: <f1ad0.70cec256.3abe0d3c@cs.com>

FOT,

I will be at VIR and will bring a very limited number of the new patches 
that Barry had produced for us.  They are patterned after the CAR BADGES that 
Chris produced for us.    (FOT in ACTION)


If you want these patches please let me know and I will set aside one or 
more of them for you......they are very stylish.  If you are an active 
non-member of the FOT you will want at least one.

I only have eight of them, so speak up. Barry is donating the proceeds of 
these to the FOT.

Joe Alexander</HTML>

From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 25 08:25:20 2011
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:25:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pain.head gaskets
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik647LYq+cGxGJx_Z2JKUxn6X0p3P0oUVutH4dE@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D129E022-1EB2-47AC-BEC5-D1989082D81C@gmail.com>
	<4d8b7b67.6202e70a.2005.426cSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
	<AANLkTik647LYq+cGxGJx_Z2JKUxn6X0p3P0oUVutH4dE@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=RWQFOwHk0mZ3FnRoBWJRTdU4c2qeLeeCib9FK@mail.gmail.com>

Gotta love the iPhone and its spell checker.  Although considering the
"pain" I had to go through to get a "Payen" head gasket I guess it was
appropriate!

Tony,

Thanks for the info!  I called BPNorthwest and they still had the individual
head gaskets in stock so I ordered a few.  They were out of the head gasket
kits but the misc parts can be sourced separately.

All,

Thanks to all for your replies.  It looks like the Payen gasket kits are
definitely unavailable but it seems some places still have the individual
head gaskets.


On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> Brad, I just got 3 of them from British Parts Northwest...
> www.bpnorthwest.com
>
> - Tony
>
> At 08:28 AM 3/24/2011, you wrote:
>
>> I just tried go order a payen head gasket for my TR4 and was informed that
>> payen has stopped producing them.  Anyone know of a suitable replacement
>> for
>> the stock type head gasket?
>>
>> Brad
>> ___

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Mar 25 14:36:11 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 14:36:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pain.head gaskets
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=RWQFOwHk0mZ3FnRoBWJRTdU4c2qeLeeCib9FK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D129E022-1EB2-47AC-BEC5-D1989082D81C@gmail.com>
	<4d8b7b67.6202e70a.2005.426cSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
	<AANLkTik647LYq+cGxGJx_Z2JKUxn6X0p3P0oUVutH4dE@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=RWQFOwHk0mZ3FnRoBWJRTdU4c2qeLeeCib9FK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <073501cbeb34$a93bdad0$fbb39070$@rr.com>

> Gotta love the iPhone and its spell checker.  

That's a recurring theme in the joke newsgroups.  Some of them are pretty
funny.

-- Randall 

From igofaster at att.net  Fri Mar 25 15:09:21 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:09:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?
Message-ID: <116987.17552.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

FOT... TR6 engine mounts?

Just when I need some, Vicky Britt and Moss are a out over a month ..


Can ya help a brother out FOT?   

Bobby Whitehead

From igofaster at att.net  Fri Mar 25 15:27:28 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:27:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Build
Message-ID: <316673.11560.qm@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I posted a few weeks back about my GT6 build and attempt to get the car back and 
racing. My pilot buddy tells me not to beat myself up, because , you know , "the 
car did run after you rebuilt it right?"  Yes.. I got the car back together on 
the first engine I've tried to assemble in about 10 years.. 

First, I didn't understand the exact parameters of setting the timing up exactly 
on the cam. So, Lloyd over there at British Auto got the timing cover off and 
re-addressed the alignment and timing issue. Resolved.
The other issue Lloyd discovered was the harmonic balancer  was off about 22 
degrees. A rebuilt HB that had been misaligned apparently. Guess that could 
throw off a novice like me too...  So.. that's resolved. 

Rebuilt and assembled my engine 08-10-2010.. tried to run TWS 11-2010.. I've 
missed the first race weekend of this year, but now I think I've go the GT6 
dialed in a bit now..
I still have low-ish compression of about 135-140lbs, but I'm not running a zero 
deck block and my head is not aggressively shaved either. 

Going to do dyno runs at Speed Tech later this week for shits and giggles. I'll 
post those results! 


(If I don't blow it up)

Guess I'm doing the Lemons with Bob Kramer and the Kramer Krew at ECL this next 
month... my first...

All the best, FOT forever!
Bobby Whitehead

From rocky at spitfire4.com  Fri Mar 25 16:12:04 2011
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:12:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?
References: <116987.17552.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <74DE7E0820C34EAE9F400699EC028CD2@rocky>

Have you tried The Roadster Factory or TS Imports?

www.the-roadster-factory.com/indexmain.php, www.tsimportedautomotive.com/

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>
To: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 5:09 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?


> FOT... TR6 engine mounts?
>
> Just when I need some, Vicky Britt and Moss are a out over a month ..
>
>
> Can ya help a brother out FOT?
>
> Bobby Whitehead
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From tr6nut at verizon.net  Fri Mar 25 16:24:40 2011
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:24:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?
In-Reply-To: <116987.17552.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <116987.17552.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D8D2438.4060709@verizon.net>

I don't have any spare ones laying about, but I know if you want a 
heavier-duty version of the TR6 mounts, you can use TR8 mounts.  They 
have metric threads but are a bit beefier.


On 3/25/2011 06:09, Bobby Whitehead wrote:
> FOT... TR6 engine mounts?
>
> Just when I need some, Vicky Britt and Moss are a out over a month ..

From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Fri Mar 25 19:47:32 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:47:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?
References: <116987.17552.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<74DE7E0820C34EAE9F400699EC028CD2@rocky>
Message-ID: <5E87E7589E804DFF894A48187A8559C4@Charly>

Have you tried British Parts NW?
http://www.bpnorthwest.com/.sc/ms/dd/ee/7568/Mount%20Engine%20TR250-TR6%20GT6

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>; "FoT Triumph" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?


> Have you tried The Roadster Factory or TS Imports?
>
> www.the-roadster-factory.com/indexmain.php, www.tsimportedautomotive.com/
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>
> To: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 5:09 PM
> Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?
>
>
>> FOT... TR6 engine mounts?
>>
>> Just when I need some, Vicky Britt and Moss are a out over a month ..
>>
>>
>> Can ya help a brother out FOT?
>>
>> Bobby Whitehead
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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>> Unsubscribe: 
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From RustyTR4 at aol.com  Sat Mar 26 05:44:38 2011
From: RustyTR4 at aol.com (RustyTR4 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:44:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?
Message-ID: <5602.301e5ccc.3abf39b6@aol.com>

If you still need some, I have a new pair here I can sell you, why don't  
you send me your ship to address so I can figure out what the cost will  be.
 
Matt
 
Triumph  Rescue
617 Walnut St.
Bally, Pa. 19503
610-845-8217
_www.triumphrescue.com_ (http://www.triumphrescue.com/) 

British  Wiring
617 Walnut St.
P.O. Box 185
Bally, Pa. 19503
_www.BritishWiring.com_ (http://www.britishwiring.com/)  

From jkhagen at charter.net  Sat Mar 26 08:00:39 2011
From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 11:00:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Pain.head gaskets
Message-ID: <22c68307.e134.12ef2ae6761.Webtop.43@charter.net>

FOTs'  The last few FEL PRO sets I ordered had Payen inside.  John Hagen 
VSCR


On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Brad Kahler wrote:

> I just tried go order a payen head gasket for my TR4 and was informed 
> that
> payen has stopped producing them.  Anyone know of a suitable 
> replacement for
> the stock type head gasket?
>
> Brad
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net

From igofaster at att.net  Sat Mar 26 08:03:20 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:03:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts...
Message-ID: <602991.41091.qm@web180804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Ted at TSI  helped me on the call ya'll ,,,,,   thanks FoT !!!
 

side note...  my late father was certified as an aircraft mechanic right out of 
Tech High School down here (for most of you) in Fort Worth...  yeah... it was in 
the day when you graduated high school and you actually were trained and 
certified in something that you could be employed by....  anyway, he used to get 
on me when I would use the term 'motor mounts' ...   "motor mounts are for 
motors like electric motor, not an engine" ... apparently an engine is what 
propels our cars and planes unless you drive a Leaf or Prius....  


Bobby Whitehead

From fpspitfire at comcast.net  Sat Mar 26 11:12:50 2011
From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:12:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] WTB: Spitfire 1500 alloy valve cover
Message-ID: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Looking for an alloy valve cover for a Spitfire.B  Can be either the black
version or the polished aluminium version.



any leads?



Aaron Johnson

#87 HP Spitfire 1500

Southern Illinois Regions SCCA

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Mar 26 14:20:46 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:20:46 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000401cbebfb$aee56920$0cb03b60$@com>

>From time to time you hear about a gear crush with cams and distributor
drive gear.

Is there found any reason why this happens?

If you look on these worn gears you see only one side of the cam gear teeth
are worn out the opposite side is in most cases okay.
Does this come from eccentric gear wheel?
Or is the distributor gear not in the right position (height) to fit the cam
gear?
The workshop manual has no hind to adjust the hight of the distributor gear.

Any ideas?

Cheers
Chris

From sbracing at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar 23 11:40:32 2011
From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:40:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-w55E73BA88436D8FBDE2735BAB30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Lucas Oil Products had a new racing only motor with claims of being high zinc
forified.
http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=276&catid=21&loc=sho
w&headTitle= - Lucas High Performance Racing Only Motor Oil
 
There is also a break-in oil with the same claims.
 
Thumbs Up - Steve

--- On Fri, 3/18/11, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>, "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 9:07 PM


FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded  oil  marketed as for flat
tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt.
They
list both conventional and semi-synthetic.

Marty
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 26 16:54:15 2011
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 16:54:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
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My dad always used a shim cut by hand from an aluminum soft-drink can  
that fits under the dist. pedistal.  Never had a problem and it's  
still in the car.
A beer can would work too!  It raises it up a few thou.

~Steve


On Mar 26, 2011, at 2:20 PM, MadMarx wrote:

> From time to time you hear about a gear crush with cams and  
> distributor
drive gear.

Is there found any reason why this happens?

If you look on these worn gears you see only one side of the cam gear  
teeth
are worn out the opposite side is in most cases okay.
Does this come from eccentric gear wheel?
Or is the distributor gear not in the right position (height) to fit  
the cam
gear?
The workshop manual has no hind to adjust the hight of the distributor  
gear.

Any ideas?

Cheers
Chris
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Sat Mar 26 17:16:43 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 20:16:43 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Fitting
Message-ID: <1b3af.124a842d.3abfdbeb@aol.com>

A member of our Club had just recently replaced his fuel pump on his TR6  
and the outlet would not stop leaking.  A member of our Club went over to  
help him get it fixed.  I had mentioned that the nut and ferreule  were an 
unusual size and the last time I heard were NLA..  They went  all over the 
place to find them with no luck. I also told them that I had read  on the list 
to put two ferrules back to back.  They did that and it  worked.  Don't know 
why but it worked.  No leaks.  I hate to say  I told you so . . .
This list is invaluable.
Sam Clark
Green Country Triumphs

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Mar 26 17:27:23 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 17:27:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <1B593CED-3C74-4EBC-B629-117FE697FC6F@earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <0cef01cbec15$be489fd0$0301a8c0@randall>

> My dad always used a shim cut by hand from an aluminum 
> soft-drink can  
> that fits under the dist. pedistal. 

If we're talking about a TRactor motor, there is a procedure in the book for
selecting that shim.  I believe it sets the end float for the intermediate
gear between the distributor and the camshaft, which also drives the oil
pump & tach.

-- Randall  

From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Mar 26 18:06:04 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:06:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Fitting
References: <1b3af.124a842d.3abfdbeb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2A5EF54C91744554BF7885C90587EE33@Bud>

I've also found that on a fitting i cannot match up, I take the part to my 
local NAPA store here in Sonoma, Ca....and they spend the time finding 
something that fits/works...Maybe it's just this store, but these guys will 
spend 20 minutes, and then the piece ends up costing 4-5 bucks..( I just had 
this experience with the oil feeder line on my Spitfire)
Racer Bud
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Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 5:16 PM
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Fitting


>A member of our Club had just recently replaced his fuel pump on his TR6
> and the outlet would not stop leaking.  A member of our Club went over to
> help him get it fixed.  I had mentioned that the nut and ferreule  were an
> unusual size and the last time I heard were NLA..  They went  all over the
> place to find them with no luck. I also told them that I had read  on the 
> list
> to put two ferrules back to back.  They did that and it  worked.  Don't 
> know
> why but it worked.  No leaks.  I hate to say  I told you so . . .
> This list is invaluable.
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> Green Country Triumphs
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sat Mar 26 18:34:17 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:34:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
References: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><000401cbebfb$aee56920$0cb03b60$@com><1B593CED-3C74-4EBC-B629-117FE697FC6F@earthlink.net>
	<0cef01cbec15$be489fd0$0301a8c0@randall>
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I beleive it similar for the sixes as well.  I think I put a spacer in, 
measure the end float, subtract the spacer and come up with the distance, 
then add to get the proper end float and use a gasket or 2 of that thickness 
.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure


>> My dad always used a shim cut by hand from an aluminum
>> soft-drink can
>> that fits under the dist. pedistal.
>
> If we're talking about a TRactor motor, there is a procedure in the book 
> for
> selecting that shim.  I believe it sets the end float for the intermediate
> gear between the distributor and the camshaft, which also drives the oil
> pump & tach.
>
> -- Randall
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Sun Mar 27 00:30:48 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 03:30:48 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Fitting
Message-ID: <22ad3.78c6a817.3ac041a8@aol.com>

The problem here was that it such a PITA to get the line off of the car to  
do anything with it.  This solution just happened to work.
Sam
 
 
In a message dated 3/26/2011 8:06:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
budscars at comcast.net writes:

I've  also found that on a fitting i cannot match up, I take the part to my 
 
local NAPA store here in Sonoma, Ca....and they spend the time finding  
something that fits/works...Maybe it's just this store, but these guys  
will 
spend 20 minutes, and then the piece ends up costing 4-5 bucks..( I  just 
had 
this experience with the oil feeder line on my Spitfire)
Racer  Bud
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<6-pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 5:16  PM
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Fitting


>A member of our Club had  just recently replaced his fuel pump on his TR6
> and the outlet would  not stop leaking.  A member of our Club went over to
> help him get  it fixed.  I had mentioned that the nut and ferreule  were  
an
> unusual size and the last time I heard were NLA..  They  went  all over 
the
> place to find them with no luck. I also told  them that I had read  on 
the 
> list
> to put two ferrules  back to back.  They did that and it  worked.  Don't 
>  know
> why but it worked.  No leaks.  I hate to say  I  told you so . . .
> This list is invaluable.
> Sam Clark
>  Green Country Triumphs
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Mar 27 02:58:00 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:58:00 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <0cef01cbec15$be489fd0$0301a8c0@randall>
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You are all true with your statements but this is clearance and not mesh
adjustment.
The distributor gear is pressed down wards.
To move the gear in a different position you would have to fit shims "under"
the distributor gear to move it up or if you fit no spacers it gear sits on
the block face.
The workshop manual has no advice for moving the gear up or down, only a
clearance that is set with lifting the pedestal with shims.

Question:
If the distributor gear is running on the block face, is that the right
position?
If this is uncertain then how to measure the right mesh position?
Do I have to color the gears to see the contact point like if I would adjust
the rear axle?

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Randall
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Mdrz 2011 01:27
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

> My dad always used a shim cut by hand from an aluminum
> soft-drink can
> that fits under the dist. pedistal.

If we're talking about a TRactor motor, there is a procedure in the book for
selecting that shim.  I believe it sets the end float for the intermediate
gear between the distributor and the camshaft, which also drives the oil
pump & tach.

-- Randall
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Mar 27 03:36:24 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:36:24 +0200
Subject: [Fot] TR4 and F1
In-Reply-To: <22ad3.78c6a817.3ac041a8@aol.com>
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Seems that TR's are pace cars in current F1 :-)

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/bilder/zoom.php?c=1101aus&d=4&b=130120146
5&sort=1

Cheers
Chris

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Mar 27 05:11:33 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 05:11:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
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> If the distributor gear is running on the block face, is that 
> the right position?

The gear shouldn't run on the block face (again assuming we are talking
4-cylinder wet liner), but instead runs on top of a brass bushing (Stanpart
56405) that also carries the drive shaft to the oil pump.

So IMO if you want to move the gear upwards, the first step would be to
replace that bushing with a new one.  I believe that should give you the
proper position of the gear relative to the camshaft.  But if it needs to
come higher than that, I would suggest fitting shims between the flange of
the bushing and the cylinder block, so the gear continues to ride on the
bushing face.

> If this is uncertain then how to measure the right mesh position?
> Do I have to color the gears to see the contact point like if 
> I would adjust the rear axle?

Makes sense to me, but I've never tried it.

Randall

From jsnook at wcnet.org  Sun Mar 27 06:26:43 2011
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:26:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
Message-ID: <6020F0BA-10F1-40D1-BB90-38158582E40E@wcnet.org>

I'll be there with my TR3.

Who else is racing there?

Vroom, vroom,

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
419-344-0319

From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sun Mar 27 06:47:47 2011
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:47:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
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References: <6020F0BA-10F1-40D1-BB90-38158582E40E@wcnet.org>
Message-ID: <4D8F4003.8010607@141.com>

Yay! It will be great to see you again! It's been too long.

Brad and I plan to be there, with or without the car. See you then!

Keep Triumphing,
Susan     :)


On 3/27/2011 9:26 AM, Jeff Snook wrote:
> I'll be there with my TR3.
>
> Who else is racing there?
>
> Vroom, vroom,
>
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
> 419-344-0319
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sun Mar 27 06:52:53 2011
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:52:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
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	<000301cbec65$75923800$60b6a800$@com>
Message-ID: <4D8F4135.7080606@blacksburg.net>

On 3/27/2011 5:58 AM, MadMarx wrote:
> You are all true with your statements but this is clearance and not mesh
> adjustment.
> The distributor gear is pressed down wards.
> To move the gear in a different position you would have to fit shims "under"
> the distributor gear to move it up or if you fit no spacers it gear sits on
> the block face.
> The workshop manual has no advice for moving the gear up or down, only a
> clearance that is set with lifting the pedestal with shims.
>    
Chris, you are right and I gave you wrong advice, sorry.  I don't know 
how to move the gear upwards without somehow moving the brass bush that 
it rides on.  That would require pressing it up from inside the block, 
which might be done but by how much?  You do have the bush (Moss 
#836-240) installed, right?  I ask, as you mention the gear riding on 
the block face.  If it is installed correctly, it should just be a 
matter of shimming the pedestal.

I'm still trying to get my scanner to work, so can't send the workshop 
manual pages yet.
> Question:
> If the distributor gear is running on the block face, is that the right
> position?
> If this is uncertain then how to measure the right mesh position?
> Do I have to color the gears to see the contact point like if I would adjust
> the rear axle?
>
>    
White lithium grease works very well for that.

jim
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Randall
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Mdrz 2011 01:27
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph'
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
>    
>> My dad always used a shim cut by hand from an aluminum
>> soft-drink can
>> that fits under the dist. pedistal.
>>      
>
> If we're talking about a TRactor motor, there is a procedure in the book for
> selecting that shim.  I believe it sets the end float for the intermediate
> gear between the distributor and the camshaft, which also drives the oil
> pump&  tach.
>
> -- Randall
> _______________________________________________
>    

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go

From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Sun Mar 27 08:40:14 2011
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:40:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
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Message-ID: <001301cbec95$444efaa0$ccecefe0$@rr.com>

I'll be there and I believe Henry Frye also will be there as well as Mark
Wheatley. 
I found the car in the trailer out in a snow bank and have a path cleared to
the shop so hopefully it will be on the lift so I can look it over or at
least wipe off the oil and dirt.

Russ Moore
Spitfire #49

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jeff Snook
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Friends of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR

I'll be there with my TR3.

Who else is racing there?

Vroom, vroom,

Jeff Snook
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419-344-0319
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Mar 27 08:58:20 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:58:20 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <0d5d01cbec78$1d652670$0301a8c0@randall>
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I ment with block face this brass face.
I didn't know that it is buyable bearing.
I never seen any of the with wear.

I never had any trouble with this gear but if failed last year and ruined a
good cam.

Any ideas why this gear do fail from time to time?

My idea was that it only fails on chilled cast cams and not on nitrate
hardened but a friend of mine had one failed that was nitrate hardened.

Could it be something that has to do with harmonic resonances of the cam?

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von Randall
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Mdrz 2011 14:12
An: 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

> If the distributor gear is running on the block face, is that
> the right position?

The gear shouldn't run on the block face (again assuming we are talking
4-cylinder wet liner), but instead runs on top of a brass bushing (Stanpart
56405) that also carries the drive shaft to the oil pump.

So IMO if you want to move the gear upwards, the first step would be to
replace that bushing with a new one.  I believe that should give you the
proper position of the gear relative to the camshaft.  But if it needs to
come higher than that, I would suggest fitting shims between the flange of
the bushing and the cylinder block, so the gear continues to ride on the
bushing face.

> If this is uncertain then how to measure the right mesh position?
> Do I have to color the gears to see the contact point like if
> I would adjust the rear axle?

Makes sense to me, but I've never tried it.

Randall
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Sun Mar 27 09:35:05 2011
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:35:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] WTB: Spitfire 1500 alloy valve cover
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Aaron,we have them in stock with fitting kit. Black or polished. Ted

On 3/26/2011 1:12 PM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote:
> Looking for an alloy valve cover for a Spitfire.B  Can be either the black
> version or the polished aluminium version.
>
>
>
> any leads?
>
>
>
> Aaron Johnson
>
> #87 HP Spitfire 1500
>
> Southern Illinois Regions SCCA
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Mar 27 09:40:20 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:40:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <4D8F4135.7080606@blacksburg.net>
References: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><000401cbebfb$aee56920$0cb03b60$@com><1B593CED-3C74-4EBC-B629-117FE697FC6F@earthlink.net><0cef01cbec15$be489fd0$0301a8c0@randall><000301cbec65$75923800$60b6a800$@com>
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> I'm still trying to get my scanner to work, so can't send the 
> workshop manual pages yet.

Try this
http://tinyurl.com/4wffjgn

-- Randall  

From jkhagen at charter.net  Sun Mar 27 11:01:02 2011
From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:01:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
Message-ID: <6c0c4edf.1842f.12ef879eb01.Webtop.44@charter.net>

FOTs'--I have raced Chevy v8s and 1.6/1.8 MG motors and at high RPM they 
all struggle with oil pump/distributor gears.  Problem 1] old worn parts 
2] High RPM throws oil off the gears. Some cams are coming with lazer 
cut oil holes that feed the gear. 3] Some are adapting bronze gears 
which "seat" into cam gear better [and need to be replaced more often] 
--so-- Eliminate end play and driven gears should be "centered" on the 
cam gear --and--keep your RPMs low--OH-forget that last one.  John Hagen


On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 4:58 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> You are all true with your statements but this is clearance and not 
> mesh
> adjustment.
> The distributor gear is pressed down wards.
> To move the gear in a different position you would have to fit shims 
> "under"
> the distributor gear to move it up or if you fit no spacers it gear 
> sits on
> the block face.
> The workshop manual has no advice for moving the gear up or down, only 
> a
> clearance that is set with lifting the pedestal with shims.
>
> Question:
> If the distributor gear is running on the block face, is that the 
> right
> position?
> If this is uncertain then how to measure the right mesh position?
> Do I have to color the gears to see the contact point like if I would 
> adjust
> the rear axle?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Randall
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Mdrz 2011 01:27
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph'
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
>> My dad always used a shim cut by hand from an aluminum
>> soft-drink can
>> that fits under the dist. pedistal.
>
> If we're talking about a TRactor motor, there is a procedure in the 
> book for
> selecting that shim.  I believe it sets the end float for the 
> intermediate
> gear between the distributor and the camshaft, which also drives the 
> oil
> pump & tach.
>
> -- Randall
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Mar 27 12:30:31 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:30:31 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
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When I look at the gears of some cams I get the impress that occasionally
the wrong angle for the teeth has been cut on. I don't know why this is.

Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: William Dewar [mailto:pcdelux at verizon.net]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Mdrz 2011 19:52
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

Chris,

 In the past I have seen this gear damaged two ways. First if the end float
of gear set too tight. Second is a
failure shortly after replacement cam installed. Not sure
why replaced cams caused the failure. Assumed gear on
cam was made wrong.

Bill DeWar
----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: "'Friends of Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure


> I ment with block face this brass face.
> I didn't know that it is buyable bearing.
> I never seen any of the with wear.
>
> I never had any trouble with this gear but if failed last year and ruined
a
> good cam.
>
> Any ideas why this gear do fail from time to time?
>
> My idea was that it only fails on chilled cast cams and not on nitrate
> hardened but a friend of mine had one failed that was nitrate hardened.
>
> Could it be something that has to do with harmonic resonances of the cam?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Randall
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Mdrz 2011 14:12
> An: 'Friends of Triumph'
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
> > If the distributor gear is running on the block face, is that
> > the right position?
>
> The gear shouldn't run on the block face (again assuming we are talking
> 4-cylinder wet liner), but instead runs on top of a brass bushing
(Stanpart
> 56405) that also carries the drive shaft to the oil pump.
>
> So IMO if you want to move the gear upwards, the first step would be to
> replace that bushing with a new one.  I believe that should give you the
> proper position of the gear relative to the camshaft.  But if it needs to
> come higher than that, I would suggest fitting shims between the flange of
> the bushing and the cylinder block, so the gear continues to ride on the
> bushing face.
>
> > If this is uncertain then how to measure the right mesh position?
> > Do I have to color the gears to see the contact point like if
> > I would adjust the rear axle?
>
> Makes sense to me, but I've never tried it.
>
> Randall
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sun Mar 27 12:36:27 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:36:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tr4-6 Clutch Hydraulics
Message-ID: <43ABE2F9-4BDC-43A8-822D-8EB896F178D9@me.com>

I'm adapting a TR6 trans to my GT6. It belatedly occurred to me that  
the proportions between the slave and master cylinders may be  
different from a GT6 to a TR, and I won't end up with enough throw-out  
bearing travel if I use the GT6 bits.  What is the diameter of the  
master cylinder piston and the slave on a TR4 or TR6?  The GT6 is 5/8"  
master and 1" slave.

Thanks!

Scott Janzen
'68 GT6

From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Mar 27 13:05:20 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:05:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
In-Reply-To: <6020F0BA-10F1-40D1-BB90-38158582E40E@wcnet.org>
References: <6020F0BA-10F1-40D1-BB90-38158582E40E@wcnet.org>
Message-ID: <20110327200534.B952A187651@autox.team.net>

I'll be there with me TR-4.  Just got the engine bolted in last 
night, should make the "big noise" later today.

- Tony Drews

At 08:26 AM 3/27/2011, Jeff Snook wrote:
>I'll be there with my TR3.
>
>Who else is racing there?
>
>Vroom, vroom,
>
>Jeff Snook
>http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
>419-344-0319
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From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Sun Mar 27 13:48:25 2011
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 07:48:25 +1100
Subject: [Fot] TR4 and F1
In-Reply-To: <000a01cbec6a$d350d690$79f283b0$@com>
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	<000a01cbec6a$d350d690$79f283b0$@com>
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Chris,
You are correct! Triumph Sports Owners Association (TSOA) in Victoria scored
another coup this year in getting TR4's in as the driver parade lap cars. We
have a few people in our ranks that follow this opportunity up diligently
each year to give us a fighting chance at the opportunity. Thus far we have
had TR3's, TR4's twice and Stag's. So I guess we are doing well in the
stakes!





-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Sunday, 27 March 2011 9:36 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] TR4 and F1

Seems that TR's are pace cars in current F1 :-)

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/bilder/zoom.php?c=1101aus&d=4&b=130120146
5&sort=1

Cheers
Chris
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Sun Mar 27 14:07:19 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:07:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
Message-ID: <350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>

Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with regrounds ever since.

Bob Kramer
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless


-----Original message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: &apos;Friends of Triumph&apos; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Mar 27, 2011 16:21:38 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

I ment with block face this brass face.
I didn't know that it is buyable bearing.
I never seen any of the with wear.

I never had any trouble with this gear but if failed last year and ruined a
good cam.

Any ideas why this gear do fail from time to time?

My idea was that it only fails on chilled cast cams and not on nitrate
hardened but a friend of mine had one failed that was nitrate hardened.

Could it be something that has to do with harmonic resonances of the cam?

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Randall
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Mdrz 2011 14:12
An: 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

> If the distributor gear is running on the block face, is that
> the right position?

The gear shouldn't run on the block face (again assuming we are talking
4-cylinder wet liner), but instead runs on top of a brass bushing (Stanpart
56405) that also carries the drive shaft to the oil pump.

So IMO if you want to move the gear upwards, the first step would be to
replace that bushing with a new one.  I believe that should give you the
proper position of the gear relative to the camshaft.  But if it needs to
come higher than that, I would suggest fitting shims between the flange of
the bushing and the cylinder block, so the gear continues to ride on the
bushing face.

> If this is uncertain then how to measure the right mesh position?
> Do I have to color the gears to see the contact point like if
> I would adjust the rear axle?

Makes sense to me, but I've never tried it.

Randall
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 27 15:30:45 2011
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:30:45 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
Message-ID: <3465289.1301265045347.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

This is the list of entrants we have so far. Hopefully a few folks setting on the fence will enter this week. 

Mike 

Tony Drews         Triumph TR-4 
Henry Frye         Triumph TR4 
ALLEN GOODE        TRIUMPH TR4-A 
John Hasty         Triumph TR3A 
Don Marshall       Triumph TR4A 
Russ Moore         Triumph Spitfire 
Tim Slater         Triumph Spitfire 
Jeff Snook         Triumph TR3A 
Dean Tetterton     Triumph TR3A 
Mark Wheatley      Triumph TR-4 
Bob Wismer         Toronado Thunderbolt 



-----Original Message----- 
>From: Spitfire Racing 
>Sent: Mar 27, 2011 11:40 AM 
>To: 'Jeff Snook' , 'Friends of Triumph' 
>Subject: Re: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR 
> 
>I'll be there and I believe Henry Frye also will be there as well as Mark 
>Wheatley. 
>I found the car in the trailer out in a snow bank and have a path cleared to 
>the shop so hopefully it will be on the lift so I can look it over or at 
>least wipe off the oil and dirt. 
> 
>Russ Moore 
>Spitfire #49 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On 
>Behalf Of Jeff Snook 
>Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:27 AM 
>To: Friends of Triumph 
>Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR 
> 
>I'll be there with my TR3. 
> 
>Who else is racing there? 
> 
>Vroom, vroom, 
> 
>Jeff Snook 
>http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 
>419-344-0319 
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 27 16:27:12 2011
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:27:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
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Message-ID: <712519.70190.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Don't forget that my TVR has a Triumph TR4 motor - that's why I call it a 2200
'Special'
I'll be in the Getto.

Dennis


This is the list of entrants we have
so far. Hopefully a few folks setting on 
the fence will enter this week.
Mike 

Tony Drews        Triumph TR-4 
Henry Frye        Triumph TR4 
ALLEN
GOODE        TRIUMPH TR4-A 
John Hasty        Triumph TR3A 
Don Marshall     
Triumph TR4A 
Russ Moore        Triumph Spitfire 
Tim Slater        Triumph
Spitfire 
Jeff Snook        Triumph TR3A 
Dean Tetterton    Triumph TR3A 
Mark
Wheatley      Triumph TR-4 
Bob Wismer        Toronado Thunderbolt
-----Original Message----- 
>From: Spitfire Racing 
>Sent: Mar 27, 2011 11:40
AM 
>To: 'Jeff Snook' , 'Friends of Triumph' 
>Subject: Re: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
> 
>I'll be there and I believe Henry Frye also will be there as well as Mark
>Wheatley. 
>I found the car in the trailer out in a snow bank and have a path
cleared to 
>the shop so hopefully it will be on the lift so I can look it
over or at 
>least wipe off the oil and dirt. 
> 
>Russ Moore 
>Spitfire #49
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On 
>Behalf Of Jeff Snook 
>Sent: Sunday,
March 27, 2011 9:27 AM 
>To: Friends of Triumph 
>Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR 
>
>I'll be there with my TR3. 
> 
>Who else is racing there? 
> 
>Vroom, vroom,
> 
>Jeff Snook 
>http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 
>419-344-0319
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 27 17:26:38 2011
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:26:38 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
Message-ID: <19199536.1301271999001.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Yea, guilty of just sorting by Triumph.


-----Original Message-----
>From: Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
>Sent: Mar 27, 2011 7:27 PM
>To: Mike Jackson <grandwazoo at earthlink.net>, Friends of Triumph
<fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
>
>Don't forget that my TVR has a Triumph TR4 motor - that's why I call it a
2200
>'Special'
>I'll be in the Getto.
>
>Dennis
>
>
>This is the list of entrants we have so far. Hopefully a few folks setting on
>the fence will enter this week.
>
>
>Mike
>
>Tony DrewsB  B  B  B  Triumph TR-4
>Henry FryeB  B  B  B  Triumph TR4
>ALLEN GOODEB  B  B  B  TRIUMPH TR4-A
>John HastyB  B  B  B  Triumph TR3A
>Don MarshallB  B  B  Triumph TR4A
>Russ MooreB  B  B  B  Triumph Spitfire
>Tim SlaterB  B  B  B  Triumph Spitfire
>Jeff SnookB  B  B  B  Triumph TR3A
>Dean TettertonB  B  Triumph TR3A
>Mark WheatleyB  B  B  Triumph TR-4
>Bob WismerB  B  B  B  Toronado Thunderbolt
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Spitfire Racing
>>Sent: Mar 27, 2011 11:40 AM
>>To: 'Jeff Snook' , 'Friends of Triumph'
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
>>
>>I'll be there and I believe Henry Frye also will be there as well as Mark
>>Wheatley.
>>I found the car in the trailer out in a snow bank and have a path cleared to
>>the shop so hopefully it will be on the lift so I can look it over or at
>>least wipe off the oil and dirt.
>>
>>Russ Moore
>>Spitfire #49
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>>Behalf Of Jeff Snook
>>Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:27 AM
>>To: Friends of Triumph
>>Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
>>
>>I'll be there with my TR3.
>>
>>Who else is racing there?
>>
>>Vroom, vroom,
>>
>>Jeff Snook
>>http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Mar 28 07:11:46 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:11:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
In-Reply-To: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7E764A88A29643C6B62538107BDCED29@gdhs.local>

Brad-Penn 20/50 seems to work well for us.....

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil


Lucas Oil Products had a new racing only motor with claims of being high
zinc forified.
http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=276&catid=21&loc=sh
o
w&headTitle= - Lucas High Performance Racing Only Motor Oil

There is also a break-in oil with the same claims.

Thumbs Up - Steve

--- On Fri, 3/18/11, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>, "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 9:07 PM


FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded  oil  marketed as for flat
tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt.
They list both conventional and semi-synthetic.

Marty
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Mon Mar 28 07:22:03 2011
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:22:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
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	<7E764A88A29643C6B62538107BDCED29@gdhs.local>
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I agree on the Brad Penn. I also use their Break-In oil. With the amount we
invest in an engine build I'm sure not going on the cheap to save a couple
of bucks for oil and risk losing the engine. BP has worked well for me so
why change?

Russ Moore
Spitfire

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of John Hasty
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:12 AM
To: 'Steven Benford Jr'; 'FOT'; 'Triumph List'; 'marty sukey'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil

Brad-Penn 20/50 seems to work well for us.....

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil


Lucas Oil Products had a new racing only motor with claims of being high
zinc forified.
http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=276&catid=21&loc=sh
o
w&headTitle= - Lucas High Performance Racing Only Motor Oil

There is also a break-in oil with the same claims.

Thumbs Up - Steve

--- On Fri, 3/18/11, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>, "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 9:07 PM


FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded  oil  marketed as for flat
tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt.
They list both conventional and semi-synthetic.

Marty
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Mon Mar 28 07:36:42 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:36:42 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
Message-ID: <3caeb.3686850f.3ac1f6fa@aol.com>

What about the Red Line products?  
 
Sam
Green Country Triumphs
 
 
In a message dated 3/28/2011 9:28:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com writes:

I agree  on the Brad Penn. I also use their Break-In oil. With the amount we
invest  in an engine build I'm sure not going on the cheap to save a couple
of  bucks for oil and risk losing the engine. BP has worked well for me so
why  change?

Russ Moore
Spitfire

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Sent:  Monday, March 28, 2011 10:12 AM
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil

Brad-Penn 20/50  seems to work well for us.....

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil


Lucas Oil  Products had a new racing only motor with claims of being high
zinc  forified.
http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=276&catid=21&loc=sh
o
w&headTitle=  - Lucas High Performance Racing Only Motor Oil

There is also a break-in  oil with the same claims.

Thumbs Up - Steve

--- On Fri, 3/18/11,  marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: marty sukey  <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
To: "FOT"  <fot at autox.team.net>, "Triumph List"  <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 9:07  PM


FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded   oil  marketed as for 
flat
tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of  ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt.
They list both conventional and  semi-synthetic.

Marty
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Mar 28 09:19:26 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:19:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
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I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like 
to know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.

I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was 
due to a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks 
from the UK and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into 
Jack's  Mine never failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had 
another problem with a valve hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I 
believe the force of  the impact was transmitted through the pushrods to 
the cam causing deflection and misalignment of the gears.  This occurred 
at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.

More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in 
the UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss, 
BPNW, etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we 
don't hear of may gear failures.

- Larry Young

On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
> Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with regrounds ever since.
>
> Bob Kramer

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Mar 28 09:37:49 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:37:49 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
	<4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com>
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Could it be an oil pressure issue?
When I installed the cam I also installed a new crank with a smaller bearing
clearance.
The oil pressure was pretty good after that.
Cold close 100 psi, hot around 85-90 psi.
I didn't change the relive valve and ran that engine several races with this
high oil pressure.
Maybe the gear failed from too much stress caused by the oil pump?

Had Jack too much oil pressure?

Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Larry Young
Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:19
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like
to know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.

I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was
due to a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks
from the UK and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into
Jack's  Mine never failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had
another problem with a valve hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I
believe the force of  the impact was transmitted through the pushrods to
the cam causing deflection and misalignment of the gears.  This occurred
at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.

More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in
the UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss,
BPNW, etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we
don't hear of may gear failures.

- Larry Young

On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
> Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had
incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with
regrounds ever since.
>
> Bob Kramer
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon Mar 28 09:42:08 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 06:42:08 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
	<4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com>
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I think the most common gear failure comes from not having the distributor
tower clearance set. I destroyed a cam that way. Replaced the tower with an
aluminum one and didn't get the clearance right. Applies too much drag to the
shaft. You would think this gear engagement would be a lot more critical since
it drives the oil pump, which takes a lot of power, but in high mileage street
engines I've dismantled the cam and distributor gear always look fine. I think
the power demand of the pump must not be that much different in a street car
since all a race car needs for the weak drive connection to survive is
removing the stress risers in the slot.

On Mar 28, 2011, at 6:19 AM, Larry Young wrote:

> I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like to
know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.
>
> I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was due to
a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks from the UK
and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into Jack's  Mine never
failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had another problem with a valve
hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I believe the force of  the impact was
transmitted through the pushrods to the cam causing deflection and
misalignment of the gears.  This occurred at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.
>
> More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in the
UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss, BPNW,
etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we don't hear
of may gear failures.
>
> - Larry Young
>
> On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
>> Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had
incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with regrounds
ever since.
>>
>> Bob Kramer
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Mar 28 09:45:11 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:45:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <000601cbed66$7ad18670$70749350$@com>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
	<4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com> <000601cbed66$7ad18670$70749350$@com>
Message-ID: <20110328164527.3735A18786A@autox.team.net>

Interesting theory.  Jack did not have too much oil pressure when the 
gear failed.

- Tony

At 11:37 AM 3/28/2011, MadMarx wrote:
>Could it be an oil pressure issue?
>When I installed the cam I also installed a new crank with a smaller bearing
>clearance.
>The oil pressure was pretty good after that.
>Cold close 100 psi, hot around 85-90 psi.
>I didn't change the relive valve and ran that engine several races with this
>high oil pressure.
>Maybe the gear failed from too much stress caused by the oil pump?
>
>Had Jack too much oil pressure?
>
>Chris
>
>
>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>Auftrag von Larry Young
>Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:19
>An: fot at autox.team.net
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
>I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like
>to know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.
>
>I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was
>due to a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks
>from the UK and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into
>Jack's  Mine never failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had
>another problem with a valve hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I
>believe the force of  the impact was transmitted through the pushrods to
>the cam causing deflection and misalignment of the gears.  This occurred
>at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.
>
>More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in
>the UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss,
>BPNW, etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we
>don't hear of may gear failures.
>
>- Larry Young
>
>On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
> > Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had
>incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with
>regrounds ever since.
> >
> > Bob Kramer

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Mar 28 09:49:46 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:49:46 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <4d90bb1c.843f2b0a.5242.ffff9d23SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
	<4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com> <000601cbed66$7ad18670$70749350$@com>
	<4d90bb1c.843f2b0a.5242.ffff9d23SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <000f01cbed68$26a2b450$73e81cf0$@com>

Maybe it is a combination of things.
- Too much oil pressure which rises the gear load
- high lift cams which don't continuously spin, they have a pulsing rotation
caused by valve and springs
- high revs which can cause resonances on the front part of the cam where
the gear sits

This could result in some kind of pitting that starts to end the story.

But very difficult to tell.

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:45
An: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

Interesting theory.  Jack did not have too much oil pressure when the
gear failed.

- Tony

At 11:37 AM 3/28/2011, MadMarx wrote:
>Could it be an oil pressure issue?
>When I installed the cam I also installed a new crank with a smaller
bearing
>clearance.
>The oil pressure was pretty good after that.
>Cold close 100 psi, hot around 85-90 psi.
>I didn't change the relive valve and ran that engine several races with
this
>high oil pressure.
>Maybe the gear failed from too much stress caused by the oil pump?
>
>Had Jack too much oil pressure?
>
>Chris
>
>
>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>Auftrag von Larry Young
>Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:19
>An: fot at autox.team.net
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
>I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like
>to know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.
>
>I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was
>due to a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks
>from the UK and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into
>Jack's  Mine never failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had
>another problem with a valve hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I
>believe the force of  the impact was transmitted through the pushrods to
>the cam causing deflection and misalignment of the gears.  This occurred
>at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.
>
>More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in
>the UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss,
>BPNW, etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we
>don't hear of may gear failures.
>
>- Larry Young
>
>On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
> > Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had
>incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with
>regrounds ever since.
> >
> > Bob Kramer

From barry at penybryn.ca  Mon Mar 28 11:44:59 2011
From: barry at penybryn.ca (Barry Munson)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:44:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR5/250 Workshop Manual
Message-ID: <000401cbed78$40170520$c0450f60$@ca>

Amici - During my library collection phase I purchased a workshop manual
collection from a former British car repair shop. Included in that
collection was an original factory manual for 1968 TR5/250. This manual is
368 pages in length and is poor shape - has no cover and is well used.
Because of its shape I would never consider selling it however it is
complete and maybe useful to a member. If anyone is interested drop me a
note and I'll send to you gratis.

Barry.

From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Mar 28 13:10:10 2011
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:10:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky>

The thing about these "For Racing Only" or "Not street legal" oils, as 
explained to me by my engine builder, is they are high-zinc oils that are 
especially friendly to flat-tappet engines like my Spitfire, but apparently 
exceed EPA emissions standards. Valvoline also has it.

In that respect, NOT the same as (better than!) "racing oil" or other 
synthetics. I've gone from Valvoline Durablend to Valvoline full synthetic 
to this black-bottle stuff. Which you may not be able to buy at your corner 
auto parts store (I tried, O'Reilly's said they can't get it).

So I Googled "motor oil not street legal" last week and where did I find it? 
Amazon! Books, CDs, racing oil -- LOL. Got two cases on the way, $57 each!

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Benford Jr" <sbracing at sbcglobal.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>; "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>; 
"marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil


> Lucas Oil Products had a new racing only motor with claims of being high 
> zinc
> forified.
> http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=276&catid=21&loc=sho
> w&headTitle= - Lucas High Performance Racing Only Motor Oil
>
> There is also a break-in oil with the same claims.
>
> Thumbs Up - Steve
>
> --- On Fri, 3/18/11, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>, "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 9:07 PM
>
>
> FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded  oil  marketed as for 
> flat
> tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt.
> They
> list both conventional and semi-synthetic.
>
> Marty
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From barry at penybryn.ca  Mon Mar 28 19:40:22 2011
From: barry at penybryn.ca (Barry Munson)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:40:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR5/250 Manual
Message-ID: <000101cbedba$a82e07c0$f88a1740$@ca>

Amici - The manual has gone to Randall Young and the quote below indicates
what he intends to do with it:

 

 

"Hi Barry,

> 

> I am definitely interested.  Hopefully I can add it to my pile of 

> Triumph documents to be scanned and shared with the community.  It 

> seems a shame to cut apart a manual that is in good condition (so it 

> can go through the page feeder), but it doesn't sound like that would 

> apply to your copy.

> 

> If you are interested, you can see my modest collection at:

> http://tinyurl.com/56gylc

> 

> -- Randall"

 

-       Barry.

From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Mon Mar 28 19:50:52 2011
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:50:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <000f01cbed68$26a2b450$73e81cf0$@com>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
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Interesting thought about too much oil pressure.  Whats too much?

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:50 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

Maybe it is a combination of things.
- Too much oil pressure which rises the gear load
- high lift cams which don't continuously spin, they have a pulsing rotation
caused by valve and springs
- high revs which can cause resonances on the front part of the cam where
the gear sits

This could result in some kind of pitting that starts to end the story.

But very difficult to tell.

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:45
An: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

Interesting theory.  Jack did not have too much oil pressure when the
gear failed.

- Tony

At 11:37 AM 3/28/2011, MadMarx wrote:
>Could it be an oil pressure issue?
>When I installed the cam I also installed a new crank with a smaller
bearing
>clearance.
>The oil pressure was pretty good after that.
>Cold close 100 psi, hot around 85-90 psi.
>I didn't change the relive valve and ran that engine several races with
this
>high oil pressure.
>Maybe the gear failed from too much stress caused by the oil pump?
>
>Had Jack too much oil pressure?
>
>Chris
>
>
>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>Auftrag von Larry Young
>Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:19
>An: fot at autox.team.net
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
>I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like
>to know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.
>
>I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was
>due to a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks
>from the UK and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into
>Jack's  Mine never failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had
>another problem with a valve hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I
>believe the force of  the impact was transmitted through the pushrods to
>the cam causing deflection and misalignment of the gears.  This occurred
>at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.
>
>More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in
>the UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss,
>BPNW, etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we
>don't hear of may gear failures.
>
>- Larry Young
>
>On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
> > Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had
>incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with
>regrounds ever since.
> >
> > Bob Kramer
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon Mar 28 19:53:10 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:53:10 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
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I've heard anything more than 10 pounds per thousand RPM is a waste of power.
On Mar 28, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:

> Interesting thought about too much oil pressure.  Whats too much?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of MadMarx
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:50 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
> Maybe it is a combination of things.
> - Too much oil pressure which rises the gear load
> - high lift cams which don't continuously spin, they have a pulsing
rotation
> caused by valve and springs
> - high revs which can cause resonances on the front part of the cam where
> the gear sits
>
> This could result in some kind of pitting that starts to end the story.
>
> But very difficult to tell.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:45
> An: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
> Interesting theory.  Jack did not have too much oil pressure when the
> gear failed.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 11:37 AM 3/28/2011, MadMarx wrote:
>> Could it be an oil pressure issue?
>> When I installed the cam I also installed a new crank with a smaller
> bearing
>> clearance.
>> The oil pressure was pretty good after that.
>> Cold close 100 psi, hot around 85-90 psi.
>> I didn't change the relive valve and ran that engine several races with
> this
>> high oil pressure.
>> Maybe the gear failed from too much stress caused by the oil pump?
>>
>> Had Jack too much oil pressure?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>> Auftrag von Larry Young
>> Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:19
>> An: fot at autox.team.net
>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>>
>> I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like
>> to know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.
>>
>> I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was
>> due to a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks
>> from the UK and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into
>> Jack's  Mine never failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had
>> another problem with a valve hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I
>> believe the force of  the impact was transmitted through the pushrods to
>> the cam causing deflection and misalignment of the gears.  This occurred
>> at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.
>>
>> More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in
>> the UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss,
>> BPNW, etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we
>> don't hear of may gear failures.
>>
>> - Larry Young
>>
>> On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
>>> Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had
>> incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with
>> regrounds ever since.
>>>
>>> Bob Kramer
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 28 23:35:19 2011
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:35:19 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 RS [Rat Sport] - PFI
Message-ID: <99190159-5269-49E0-9F00-57EBB6C383EF@earthlink.net>

PFI: Purely financial interest...
http://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/2292724483.html

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM

From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 06:08:30 2011
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:08:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues
In-Reply-To: <002001cbe2be$36263b90$a272b2b0$@rr.com>
References: <002001cbe2be$36263b90$a272b2b0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <D72B3218-0036-4F9D-B9F2-81A2BD440BA8@gmail.com>

While we're on the subject, for what it's worth --

A friend passed this on to me -- using a 1.5 ohm coil with with a _plastic_
rubbing block and no ballast resistor, the heat generated is enough to start
melting the rubbing block. If the rubbing block is fiber, there shouldn't be a
problem, but if it's plastic, there needs to be a ballast resistor or a higher
resistance coil.

Duncan

On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:08 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:

> First off let me thank the folks that provided good feedback to my question
> regarding the car not wanting to rev.  I am in the diagnostic phase and
this
> is what I have found so far:
>
>
>
> As a recap, I am running the Mallory dual point.  Fresh points, rotor,
> condenser (grounded), and cap.
>
> The total dwell at 1100 rpm it is 40 and at 3500+ rpm it is 45. I assume
> that dwell should not change over the rpm range and this condition is
> indicative that something is wrong. I removed the cap and rotor and I can
> move the top of the shaft far enough back and forth (side to side) to cause
> the points to open and close. This distributor has 6 race weekends on it.
>
> Could the shaft have already worn the bushings? I've read that Mallory will
> not sell you replacement bushing or bearings as they want to rebuild the
> unit.  Are there any alternative suggestions?
>
> Do you guys leave the felt rubbing block in place on the points?  I have
> them in place now, but I don't remember seeing a Lucas point set that uses
> felt pads like that.  Maybe they are a good thing.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Greg
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From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net  Tue Mar 29 14:58:30 2011
From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:58:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
In-Reply-To: <9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky>
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I've been using the Valvoline NSL 10w30 dyno (also comes in straight grades) 
in my Spitty 1300 racer now for over a year.   Blackstone Labs has analyzed 
a sample after two week ends at TWS and reported that it was still healthy 
with no contaminates.  It's labeled for a 500 mile life span and I get it at 
my local NAPA store (they will order if not in stock) for $5.50 a quart in 
6-packs.

Bill Collins
DFW, TX
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: "Steven Benford Jr" <sbracing at sbcglobal.net>; "FOT" 
<fot at autox.team.net>; "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>; "martysukey" 
<trmarty at hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 15:10
Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil


> The thing about these "For Racing Only" or "Not street legal" oils, as 
> explained to me by my engine builder, is they are high-zinc oils that are 
> especially friendly to flat-tappet engines like my Spitfire, but 
> apparently exceed EPA emissions standards. Valvoline also has it.
>
> In that respect, NOT the same as (better than!) "racing oil" or other 
> synthetics. I've gone from Valvoline Durablend to Valvoline full synthetic 
> to this black-bottle stuff. Which you may not be able to buy at your 
> corner auto parts store (I tried, O'Reilly's said they can't get it).
>
> So I Googled "motor oil not street legal" last week and where did I find 
> it? Amazon! Books, CDs, racing oil -- LOL. Got two cases on the way, $57 
> each!
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steven Benford Jr" <sbracing at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>; "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>; 
> "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil
>
>
>> Lucas Oil Products had a new racing only motor with claims of being high 
>> zinc
>> forified.
>> http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=276&catid=21&loc=sho
>> w&headTitle= - Lucas High Performance Racing Only Motor Oil
>>
>> There is also a break-in oil with the same claims.
>>
>> Thumbs Up - Steve
>>
>> --- On Fri, 3/18/11, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
>> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>, "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 9:07 PM
>>
>>
>> FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded  oil  marketed as for 
>> flat
>> tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt.
>> They
>> list both conventional and semi-synthetic.
>>
>> Marty
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Mar 29 15:43:13 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:43:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
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	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
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*** If you don't like technical discussion hit delete now ***

I have done a fair amount of work on valve train dynamics, to calculate 
the cyclical forces Chris talks about. Some graphs are at 
www.tildentechnologies.com/images/Dynamics.html and the bottom of the 
Triumph Cam Page - www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/TriumphCams.html . 
This is probably more information than most people want to see, but I'll 
give a little explanation anyway.  This is not resonance, but just due 
to vibration at the natural frequency of the valve train, which is about 
900 hz for a TR4. The highest forces occur due to a combination of 
inertial and spring forces when the valve first starts to open.  1000 
lbs of force and a deflection of 0.010 inches is not unusual. I am 
always amazed that the pushrods can support that much force, but it is 
only for a split second (1 msec at 6,000 RPM).  This is the reason I 
like to use new blanks, because the larger diameter shaft increases its 
stiffness significantly.

Larry

On 3/28/2011 11:49 AM, MadMarx wrote:
> Maybe it is a combination of things.
> - Too much oil pressure which rises the gear load
> - high lift cams which don't continuously spin, they have a pulsing rotation
> caused by valve and springs
> - high revs which can cause resonances on the front part of the cam where
> the gear sits
>
> This could result in some kind of pitting that starts to end the story.
>
> But very difficult to tell.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:45
> An: MadMarx;fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
> Interesting theory.  Jack did not have too much oil pressure when the
> gear failed.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 11:37 AM 3/28/2011, MadMarx wrote:
>> Could it be an oil pressure issue?
>> When I installed the cam I also installed a new crank with a smaller
> bearing
>> clearance.
>> The oil pressure was pretty good after that.
>> Cold close 100 psi, hot around 85-90 psi.
>> I didn't change the relive valve and ran that engine several races with
> this
>> high oil pressure.
>> Maybe the gear failed from too much stress caused by the oil pump?
>>
>> Had Jack too much oil pressure?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von:fot-bounces at autox.team.net  [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>> Auftrag von Larry Young
>> Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:19
>> An:fot at autox.team.net
>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>>
>> I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like
>> to know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.
>>
>> I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was
>> due to a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks
> >from the UK and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into
>> Jack's  Mine never failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had
>> another problem with a valve hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I
>> believe the force of  the impact was transmitted through the pushrods to
>> the cam causing deflection and misalignment of the gears.  This occurred
>> at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.
>>
>> More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in
>> the UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss,
>> BPNW, etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we
>> don't hear of may gear failures.
>>
>> - Larry Young
>>
>> On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
>>> Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had
>> incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with
>> regrounds ever since.
>>> Bob Kramer
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Mar 30 23:40:34 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:40:34 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Judson
In-Reply-To: <83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky>
	<83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC>
Message-ID: <000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com>

Hi,

does anyone have a manual for a Judson supercharger?

Cheers
Chris

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Mar 31 05:46:26 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:46:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Judson
In-Reply-To: <000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky><83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC>
	<000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com>
Message-ID: <14a601cbefa1$a6c4a770$0301a8c0@randall>

> does anyone have a manual for a Judson supercharger?

I put a few Judson documents up at
http://tinyurl.com/286jzzu

I've got photocopies of more, but haven't had time to scan them yet.  These
include notes to modify the advance weights on a TR3 (to slow down the
centrifugal advance); and to eliminate the advance entirely on a TR4.  There
is also a slightly better version of the installation instructions where the
photos are almost legible.

There is some more at
http://tinyurl.com/4g2sjov

-- Randall  

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Mar 31 06:36:07 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:36:07 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Judson
In-Reply-To: <14a601cbefa1$a6c4a770$0301a8c0@randall>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky><83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC>
	<000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com>
	<14a601cbefa1$a6c4a770$0301a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <002e01cbefa8$995c5360$cc14fa20$@com>

'Thank you!
That is very useful!

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Randall [mailto:TR3driver at ca.rr.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Mdrz 2011 14:46
An: 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Judson

> does anyone have a manual for a Judson supercharger?

I put a few Judson documents up at
http://tinyurl.com/286jzzu

I've got photocopies of more, but haven't had time to scan them yet.  These
include notes to modify the advance weights on a TR3 (to slow down the
centrifugal advance); and to eliminate the advance entirely on a TR4.  There
is also a slightly better version of the installation instructions where the
photos are almost legible.

There is some more at
http://tinyurl.com/4g2sjov

-- Randall

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Mar 31 07:29:13 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:29:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Judson
In-Reply-To: <002e01cbefa8$995c5360$cc14fa20$@com>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky><83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC><000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com><14a601cbefa1$a6c4a770$0301a8c0@randall>
	<002e01cbefa8$995c5360$cc14fa20$@com>
Message-ID: <8CDBDC724208150-D9C-FCD3@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>

 Randall seems to be our resident archivist and fountain of knowledge.

Appreciated.








-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: 'Randall' <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:36 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Judson


'Thank you!

That is very useful!



Chris



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----

Von: Randall [mailto:TR3driver at ca.rr.com]

Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Mdrz 2011 14:46

An: 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net

Betreff: RE: [Fot] Judson



> does anyone have a manual for a Judson supercharger?



I put a few Judson documents up at

http://tinyurl.com/286jzzu



I've got photocopies of more, but haven't had time to scan them yet.  These

include notes to modify the advance weights on a TR3 (to slow down the

centrifugal advance); and to eliminate the advance entirely on a TR4.  There

is also a slightly better version of the installation instructions where the

photos are almost legible.



There is some more at

http://tinyurl.com/4g2sjov



-- Randall

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From klynch_6 at msn.com  Thu Mar 31 09:22:50 2011
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:22:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 (bolt-on) Roll Bar
Message-ID: <BLU151-ds214C3C57C368E927AEF801B7BF0@phx.gbl>

Amici, I've a friend who's looking for a used (after market) GT6 roll bar. If
it matters, his is a Mk III-
Anyone have or know of someone who'd like to sell one?

thanks in advance!

Kevin Colo.

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Mar 31 09:28:39 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:28:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Judson
In-Reply-To: <8CDBDC724208150-D9C-FCD3@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky><83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC><000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com><14a601cbefa1$a6c4a770$0301a8c0@randall>
	<002e01cbefa8$995c5360$cc14fa20$@com>
	<8CDBDC724208150-D9C-FCD3@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <00cc01cbefc0$b1873aa0$1495afe0$@rr.com>

>  Randall seems to be our resident archivist and fountain of knowledge.

You flatter me, Joe.  I'm just trying to help in return for all the help
I've gotten over the years.

But since you put it that way, perhaps I should mention that the Judson is
an inferior design by today's standards.  If you are serious about building
a blower TR motor, you'd be far better off looking for a modern Eaton.  Or
if it has to be vintage, a period Rootes.  Compared to the Roots type
blower, the Judson is less efficient, meaning it takes more power to turn
(for a given boost & flow) and also heats the mixture more (making
detonation more likely).

They also have a nasty habit of shedding abrasive phenolic bits into the
intake.

-- Randall 

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Mar 31 09:32:40 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:32:40 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Judson
In-Reply-To: <00cc01cbefc0$b1873aa0$1495afe0$@rr.com>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky><83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC><000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com><14a601cbefa1$a6c4a770$0301a8c0@randall>
	<002e01cbefa8$995c5360$cc14fa20$@com>
	<8CDBDC724208150-D9C-FCD3@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>
	<00cc01cbefc0$b1873aa0$1495afe0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <003c01cbefc1$420b8950$c6229bf0$@com>

I didn't ask for me - a friend has this thing at the car and needs help how
to operate it.

Great FOT!

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Randall [mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Mdrz 2011 18:29
An: n197tr4 at cs.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Judson

>  Randall seems to be our resident archivist and fountain of knowledge.

You flatter me, Joe.  I'm just trying to help in return for all the help
I've gotten over the years.

But since you put it that way, perhaps I should mention that the Judson is
an inferior design by today's standards.  If you are serious about building
a blower TR motor, you'd be far better off looking for a modern Eaton.  Or
if it has to be vintage, a period Rootes.  Compared to the Roots type
blower, the Judson is less efficient, meaning it takes more power to turn
(for a given boost & flow) and also heats the mixture more (making
detonation more likely).

They also have a nasty habit of shedding abrasive phenolic bits into the
intake.

-- Randall

From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Mar 31 18:45:04 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:45:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Judson
In-Reply-To: <003c01cbefc1$420b8950$c6229bf0$@com>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky><83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC><000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com><14a601cbefa1$a6c4a770$0301a8c0@randall>
	<002e01cbefa8$995c5360$cc14fa20$@com>
	<8CDBDC724208150-D9C-FCD3@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>
	<00cc01cbefc0$b1873aa0$1495afe0$@rr.com>
	<003c01cbefc1$420b8950$c6229bf0$@com>
Message-ID: <4D952E20.8010008@bradakis.com>

The email list superchargers at autox.team.net started out to be all
about Judsons, but I changed the name to accommodate other makes.
That list get one or two messages a year.  You can check out
http://www.team.net/archive for the superchargers list, but
don't expect much.

mjb.

From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Tue Mar  1 05:59:09 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 04:59:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Stag Transmission Parts
In-Reply-To: <4D6C2EF7.8040701@charter.net>
Message-ID: <341662.14882.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Glenn: As Randall mantioned many cars used the BW 35 and BW 65. I have two
65's sitting in the shop from a recent conversion of a STag to a BMW ZF
4-speed box. The TR7 also used the BW 65 when bought as an automatic. The Stag
Club is the best source for parts. Try www.triumphstagclubusa.org  or 
www.triumphstagclub.org  or www.tscusa.org .
They are all linl to their website.
Thanks - Ed
 
--- On Mon, 2/28/11, Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net> wrote:


From: Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net>
Subject: [Fot] Stag Transmission Parts
To: 6pack at autox.team.net, "Friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 5:25 PM


Hi
I'm trying to locate a source for the Borg Warner Automatic Transmission parts
for a Club Members Stag.
I have the Automatic Stripped down and I'm having a difficult time locating
parts. I need the standard stuff for a rebuild. Gaskets, seals clutches and
steels and a few other parts.
Rimmer doesn't have anything much on their website.
Does anyone out there  have a source for these parts. The usual suppliers
don't have any stock for the British built Automatic.
Are there any Stag Mail Lists I could post a message on?
Thanks in advance
Glenn Franco
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From jsclark at live.ca  Tue Mar  1 07:21:52 2011
From: jsclark at live.ca (Jeff Clark)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 09:21:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help
In-Reply-To: <C22F4A3F0AA3EA488D30A42FC8A4817639AD8F102A@DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local>
References: <C22F4A3F0AA3EA488D30A42FC8A4817639AD8F102A@DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local>
Message-ID: <BLU158-w1E964D40A8C2A63DF7C4AAEC10@phx.gbl>

EBC has both O.E. replacement rotors and sport slotted. I use Keystone as a
supplier I see online they're available through Summit as well, for my '71 GT6
the part # for O.E. is UPR197 slotted # is GD197
http://ebcbrakes.iwebcat.com/_Members/lookups/lookup.asp?hdnUK=27866&hdnSts=0
if the link works it should take you to thier catalog
Hope this helps
Jeff Clark

> From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:35:37 -0600
> Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help
>
> Hey Listers,
>
> What's the best source for GT6 rotors for a racing Spitfire. I know of all
the
> normal outlets for pats, but am concerned that I get the best quality for
the
> purpose of racing. I plan to cyro the rotors and would really like some
that
> are slotted if anyone knows of them somewhere. As always thanks!!
>
> Mark Craig
> 615-347-0260
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From jhouathome at aol.com  Tue Mar  1 09:59:36 2011
From: jhouathome at aol.com (jhouathome at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 11:59:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Belts and Harnesses
In-Reply-To: <BLU156-w318503112B61470A70F6CDBADE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU156-w318503112B61470A70F6CDBADE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CDA6492D88DC8B-A6C-34C6A@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com>

My feeling is that the real key lies not in 5 vs 6 points, but in several
other factors.  What is the seat design, and what is the design of the harness
mounting points?  The brunt of the force in a crash should be spread across
the hips and pelvis, never by the anti-sub straps.  The shoulder harness is to
restrict forward movement of the torso.  The anti-sub is mostly to hold the
lap-belt in place, not to grab you by the crotch and keep you from moving
forward, although it does do this as a secondary function.  (If you take the
full-force of a crash in the crotch, you have big problems, and not just the
obvious!)  Many configurations have the lab-belt riding too high, over the
stomach, which really defeats the design of the system.  Some seats cannot
accomodate a 6 point system effectively, and in any case a properly designed,
installed, and used 5 point is equally effective in a sports car.  The guiding
principle is that the seat, belts, roll structure, and HANS (or similar) are
to be used as a single intigrated system, never thought of as seperate
components.  The best equipment will fail to protect unless it is all
functioning together properly.  I use 5 point systems in sports cars, 6 point
in formula cars.

Bottom line for me is that if you are replacing a 5 point system, and the car
was properly designed for that system, do not change it.  You won't gain
anything except another belt to deal with.  If in doubt call someone who works
in tech and they can advise on your specific car.

John






-----Original Message-----
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Feb 28, 2011 11:37 am
Subject: [Fot] Belts and Harnesses


I will probably end up buying a new set of harnesses for the Spit this year.
or autoxing all that was required was 4 points.  For the Spit I will need to
o 5 or 6 point.  Is there any strong opinions as to which is better? I would
hink the 6 point would be more, er, forgiving in case of being actually put
o use.  What say the masses?
Thanks,
arty
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar  2 08:30:41 2011
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 07:30:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] SVRA @ Sebring
Message-ID: <114672.79904.qm@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Amici,

Anyone from this esteemed group running at Sebring later this month?

Doug


From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Mar  2 10:23:48 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 11:23:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] SVRA @ Sebring
In-Reply-To: <114672.79904.qm@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <114672.79904.qm@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20110302172354.9EFA7187679@autox.team.net>

I believe that Bob Wismer is going, but don't think he's on the FOT 
list.  Not sure if he's in the TR-4 or the Thunderbolt this year.

- Tony

At 09:30 AM 3/2/2011, Doug Mitchell wrote:
>Amici,
>
>Anyone from this esteemed group running at Sebring later this month?
>
>Doug


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Wed Mar  2 10:41:59 2011
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 17:41:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] sliding spline rear axles
Message-ID: <195477921.1591167.1299087719333.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hello:



Pending an inspection within the next couple of days to confirm, I suspect I
need to replace worn sliding rear axle assembliesB on my stock, 1969 TR6.B 
Anyone have experience with this procedure that could offer some
tips/suggestions before I dive in to attempt the job?B  I know Moss, Good
Parts andB Victoria BritishB products,B are there other sources for stock
axles?B  Thanks.



Gary


From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Mar  2 10:44:25 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 12:44:25 EST
Subject: [Fot] SVRA @ Sebring
Message-ID: <db370.755474e9.3a9fdbf9@aol.com>

In a message dated 03/02/2011 11:24:21 AM Central Standard Time, 
tony at tonydrews.com writes:


> I believe that Bob Wismer is going, but don't think he's on the FOT 
> list.  Not sure if he's in the TR-4 or the Thunderbolt this year.
> 
> 

Bob Wismer leaves for down south (with the Thunder Bolt) in a week or so, 
but he is NOT going to run Sebring.  He's run the vintage sessions at the 
Twelve Hours of Sebring for years and years, but will skip it this year.  For 
anyone who has not run it, its a great event to do, and a real happening.  It 
is exciting to be a part of it.  But if you rate events based on track 
time, etc.  It does not rate very high at all.

I believe Bob will run the vintage sessions at an SCCA near Miami and also 
VDCA's VIR event instead.

Bill Dentinger


From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Mar  2 11:04:28 2011
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 13:04:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] sliding spline rear axles
In-Reply-To: <195477921.1591167.1299087719333.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <195477921.1591167.1299087719333.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinLFdu6bHWC2XKi6aEnOb17jL_x0AqDsnf5_2qa@mail.gmail.com>

Assuming you have the replacements in hand, the procedure is dead simple.

Jack up car, secure.

Remove rear wheel, brake drum.

Undo 6 7/16" (iirc) nuts holding hub carrier to trailing arm.

Slide out hub and outer sliding axle. Put on bench.

Remove 4 9'16" (iirc again) bolt/nut pairs holding inner axle assy and U
joint to diff. Remove, put on bench with other half.

Got to bench. Replace ujoints, axles.

reassembly is the reverse of disassembly.

DO NOT OVERTORQUE THE TINY NUTS ON THE STUDS HOLDING THE HUB TO THE TRAILING
ARM. The torque spec is not a misprint, it really is something tiny.

If you strip out the trailing arms, you are royally screwed as there isn't a
lot of room to helicoil the holes or the like.

I've got this down to about a 45 minute job per side. A very long 3/8"
rachet extension is a big help.

Best of luck.
Bob


On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:41 PM, <vintage.racer at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hello:
>
>
>
> Pending an inspection within the next couple of days to confirm, I suspect
> I
> need to replace worn sliding rear axle assembliesB on my stock, 1969 TR6.B
> Anyone have experience with this procedure that could offer some
> tips/suggestions before I dive in to attempt the job?B  I know Moss, Good
> Parts andB Victoria BritishB products,B are there other sources for stock
> axles?B  Thanks.
>
>
>
> Gary
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Mar  2 11:17:52 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:17:52 -0800
Subject: [Fot] sliding spline rear axles
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinLFdu6bHWC2XKi6aEnOb17jL_x0AqDsnf5_2qa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <195477921.1591167.1299087719333.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<AANLkTinLFdu6bHWC2XKi6aEnOb17jL_x0AqDsnf5_2qa@mail.gmail.com>
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> If you strip out the trailing arms, you are royally screwed as there
> isn't a
> lot of room to helicoil the holes or the like.

Someone, I forget who offhand, is selling a jig to help with installing
Helicoils.  From what I hear, it works well.

You might also want to look into the "improved" shafts available from
Goodparts.  Rumor has it that they are cost-effective even for just a hub
rebuild.

-- Randall 


From cofrog at q.com  Wed Mar  2 11:35:06 2011
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:35:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Goodparts Springs For Sale
Message-ID: <SNT140-w593024AC97D183E70C9F7ED4C00@phx.gbl>

I have a set of front and rear Goodparts springs for TR4a-TR6 I'd like to
sell.  They list for $89/pair.  I'll sell for $100 for all four plus
shipping.

Thanks,

Dan Forgey


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Mar  2 12:41:19 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 14:41:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] sliding spline rear axles
In-Reply-To: <176401cbd906$26defc10$749cf430$@rr.com>
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On Wed, 2 Mar 2011, Randall wrote:

>> If you strip out the trailing arms, you are royally screwed as there
>> isn't a
>> lot of room to helicoil the holes or the like.
>
> Someone, I forget who offhand, is selling a jig to help with installing
> Helicoils.  From what I hear, it works well.

http://www.pattonmachine.com/

Rick Patton.

Great guy. A real enthusiast!!!!

Plus he's from Maine. I hear the voice of Bobstah the Lobstah.

:-)

rml
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  2 12:48:35 2011
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 13:48:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] sliding spline rear axles
In-Reply-To: <176401cbd906$26defc10$749cf430$@rr.com>
References: <195477921.1591167.1299087719333.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Patton machine makes the jig. I don't remember how much it cost but it is well
worth it. Go ahead and heli-coil all of the stud holes not just the bad ones.
BTW the splines don't slide when torque is applied. Just so you know, that's
another reason why Richard Goods Cv system is good. I just wish I could afford
them.

Mike #28 EP TR6

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 2, 2011, at 12:17 PM, "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

>> If you strip out the trailing arms, you are royally screwed as there
>> isn't a
>> lot of room to helicoil the holes or the like.
>
> Someone, I forget who offhand, is selling a jig to help with installing
> Helicoils.  From what I hear, it works well.
>
> You might also want to look into the "improved" shafts available from
> Goodparts.  Rumor has it that they are cost-effective even for just a


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Mar  2 12:56:50 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 19:56:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] sliding spline rear axles
In-Reply-To: <2F4595E6-5D12-4512-9280-803D8664A59E@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1486346532.1119314.1299095810562.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I'm making the CV/hub conversion in the next couple weeks. Although I haven't
experienced

spline lock, ( that I know of anyway )B I have been on the stock hubs for far
too long so

I'm just going to do both at the same time. It's a small amount to pay
considering the potential

damage a broken hub can do.



jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Munson" <fasttrs at yahoo.com>
To: "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: "of Triumph" <FOT at autox.team.net>, Friends at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2011 12:48:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] sliding spline rear axles

Patton machine makes the jig. I don't remember how much it cost but it is well
worth it. Go ahead and heli-coil all of the stud holes not just the bad ones.
BTW the splines don't slide when torque is applied. Just so you know, that's
another reason why Richard Goods Cv system is good. I just wish I could afford
them.

Mike #28 EP TR6

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 2, 2011, at 12:17 PM, "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

>> If you strip out the trailing arms, you are royally screwed as there
>> isn't a
>> lot of room to helicoil the holes or the like.
>
> Someone, I forget who offhand, is selling a jig to help with installing
> Helicoils. B From what I hear, it works well.
>
> You might also want to look into the "improved" shafts available from
> Goodparts. B Rumor has it that they are cost-effective even for just a
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From cofrog at q.com  Wed Mar  2 13:46:39 2011
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 20:46:39 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Goodparts Springs
Message-ID: <SNT140-w10BEDA8559EA65F80D6425D4C00@phx.gbl>

They've sold.


From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Wed Mar  2 15:16:22 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 17:16:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wismer at VIR
In-Reply-To: <db370.755474e9.3a9fdbf9@aol.com>
References: <db370.755474e9.3a9fdbf9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <op.vrqlhkf6airs7i@don-pc.belkin>

Bill, please make sure Bob knows to look us up in the Triumph Ghetto at  
VIR in April.  We'll probably be up on the hill to the west of the  
entrance as usual.  You should come too.

In case anyone isn't aware, the VDCA event at VIR seems to have become the  
premier spring event for Triumphs on the east coast.  Not only is the  
facility among the best in the nation but the amount of track time is  
unmatched anywhere, and at a very reasonable price. Last year we had a  
bunch of TRs, most of which were still running for Sunday afternoon's  
feature race.  If you can come, please join us in the Triumph Ghetto for  
our traditional surf n turf cookout on Friday night, which this year  
should include alligator, complements of our seafood provider and TR4  
racer Rob Deanes.

According to the VDCA website, "The Ninth Annual Wild Hare Run at VIR is a  
3-day event at this spectacular facility.  Friday will offer 3 practice  
sessions and our patented Wild Hare Run for all comers.  Saturday  morning  
practice will be followed by Saturday afternoon's Feature Races.  Sunday  
morning includes the VDCA Enduro and the Sunday races are in the  
afternoon.  There is no additional charge for either the Australian  
Pursuit race or the Enduro."  All this track time for only $400 plus free  
food.  Not bad.  Don


On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 12:44:25 -0500, <BillDentin at aol.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 03/02/2011 11:24:21 AM Central Standard Time,
> tony at tonydrews.com writes:
>
>
>> I believe that Bob Wismer is going, but don't think he's on the FOT
>> list.  Not sure if he's in the TR-4 or the Thunderbolt this year.
>>
>>
>
> Bob Wismer leaves for down south (with the Thunder Bolt) in a week or so,
> but he is NOT going to run Sebring.  He's run the vintage sessions at the
> Twelve Hours of Sebring for years and years, but will skip it this  
> year.  For
> anyone who has not run it, its a great event to do, and a real  
> happening.  It
> is exciting to be a part of it.  But if you rate events based on track
> time, etc.  It does not rate very high at all.
>
> I believe Bob will run the vintage sessions at an SCCA near Miami and  
> also
> VDCA's VIR event instead.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From lfritz82 at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  2 19:45:57 2011
From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 21:45:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <SNT143-w58F6AA05FC2286E1EAAFC5DAC30@phx.gbl>

Hi.   I have  a friend that would like to trade 4 or 5 early tr250/6 wheels
for later ones.  These are the wheels that have the long stids to accept the
mag style hub caps.  We are in central Pa.  Thanks   Lorne Fritz


From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Mar  2 22:34:22 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:34:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Wismer at VIR
In-Reply-To: <op.vrqlhkf6airs7i@don-pc.belkin>
References: <db370.755474e9.3a9fdbf9@aol.com> <op.vrqlhkf6airs7i@don-pc.belkin>
Message-ID: <20110303053429.65FE218763E@autox.team.net>

I'll be at the VDCA VIR event in April, it's an awesome way to start 
the racing season for me.  Dennis Delap is planning to attend as well 
in either his TR-4 or his TR powered TVR - my money's on the TVR.

- Tony Drews

At 04:16 PM 3/2/2011, Don Marshall wrote:
>Bill, please make sure Bob knows to look us up in the Triumph Ghetto at
>VIR in April.  We'll probably be up on the hill to the west of the
>entrance as usual.  You should come too.
>
>In case anyone isn't aware, the VDCA event at VIR seems to have become the
>premier spring event for Triumphs on the east coast.  Not only is the
>facility among the best in the nation but the amount of track time is
>unmatched anywhere, and at a very reasonable price. Last year we had a
>bunch of TRs, most of which were still running for Sunday afternoon's
>feature race.  If you can come, please join us in the Triumph Ghetto for
>our traditional surf n turf cookout on Friday night, which this year
>should include alligator, complements of our seafood provider and TR4
>racer Rob Deanes.
>
>According to the VDCA website, "The Ninth Annual Wild Hare Run at VIR is a
>3-day event at this spectacular facility.  Friday will offer 3 practice
>sessions and our patented Wild Hare Run for all comers.  Saturday  morning
>practice will be followed by Saturday afternoon's Feature Races.  Sunday
>morning includes the VDCA Enduro and the Sunday races are in the
>afternoon.  There is no additional charge for either the Australian
>Pursuit race or the Enduro."  All this track time for only $400 plus free
>food.  Not bad.  Don


From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Mar  3 04:13:17 2011
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 06:13:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wismer at VIR
In-Reply-To: <20110303053429.65FE218763E@autox.team.net>
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	<20110303053429.65FE218763E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <001001cbd993$ff788720$fe699560$@rr.com>

I plan on being there and I believe Henry Frye and Jeff Snook also will be
there. Hopefully the snow banks will be low enough we can get the rigs out.
Donn Sopp won't make it this year due to injury.

So, can we get a Triumph count yet? I have never been there before and will
be following Henry down. Is there an area where all TR types migrate to? 

Russ Moore
Spitfire #49

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:34 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Wismer at VIR

I'll be at the VDCA VIR event in April, it's an awesome way to start 
the racing season for me.  Dennis Delap is planning to attend as well 
in either his TR-4 or his TR powered TVR - my money's on the TVR.

- Tony Drews

At 04:16 PM 3/2/2011, Don Marshall wrote:
>Bill, please make sure Bob knows to look us up in the Triumph Ghetto at
>VIR in April.  We'll probably be up on the hill to the west of the
>entrance as usual.  You should come too.
>
>In case anyone isn't aware, the VDCA event at VIR seems to have become the
>premier spring event for Triumphs on the east coast.  Not only is the
>facility among the best in the nation but the amount of track time is
>unmatched anywhere, and at a very reasonable price. Last year we had a
>bunch of TRs, most of which were still running for Sunday afternoon's
>feature race.  If you can come, please join us in the Triumph Ghetto for
>our traditional surf n turf cookout on Friday night, which this year
>should include alligator, complements of our seafood provider and TR4
>racer Rob Deanes.
>
>According to the VDCA website, "The Ninth Annual Wild Hare Run at VIR is a
>3-day event at this spectacular facility.  Friday will offer 3 practice
>sessions and our patented Wild Hare Run for all comers.  Saturday  morning
>practice will be followed by Saturday afternoon's Feature Races.  Sunday
>morning includes the VDCA Enduro and the Sunday races are in the
>afternoon.  There is no additional charge for either the Australian
>Pursuit race or the Enduro."  All this track time for only $400 plus free
>food.  Not bad.  Don
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From susank at 141.com  Thu Mar  3 04:58:11 2011
From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 06:58:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wismer at VIR
In-Reply-To: <001001cbd993$ff788720$fe699560$@rr.com>
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	<001001cbd993$ff788720$fe699560$@rr.com>
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Hi Russ!

I hope Donny is okay! Please give him our well wishes.

We plan on being there, and yes, there is the Triumph Ghetto. Drive to 
the paddock area, turn left and go up the slight hill. The first left 
will take you into the Ghetto (on your right). It's close to the 
bathrooms/showers and not too far from the gas pumps. There's power for 
RVs (need to pay for it and get your tag when you get there).

We look very forward to seeing you there!

Susan    :)


On 3/3/2011 6:13 AM, Spitfire Racing wrote:
> I plan on being there and I believe Henry Frye and Jeff Snook also will be
> there. Hopefully the snow banks will be low enough we can get the rigs out.
> Donn Sopp won't make it this year due to injury.
>
> So, can we get a Triumph count yet? I have never been there before and will
> be following Henry down. Is there an area where all TR types migrate to?
>
> Russ Moore
> Spitfire #49
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tony Drews
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:34 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Wismer at VIR
>
> I'll be at the VDCA VIR event in April, it's an awesome way to start
> the racing season for me.  Dennis Delap is planning to attend as well
> in either his TR-4 or his TR powered TVR - my money's on the TVR.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 04:16 PM 3/2/2011, Don Marshall wrote:
>> Bill, please make sure Bob knows to look us up in the Triumph Ghetto at
>> VIR in April.  We'll probably be up on the hill to the west of the
>> entrance as usual.  You should come too.
>>
>> In case anyone isn't aware, the VDCA event at VIR seems to have become the
>> premier spring event for Triumphs on the east coast.  Not only is the
>> facility among the best in the nation but the amount of track time is
>> unmatched anywhere, and at a very reasonable price. Last year we had a
>> bunch of TRs, most of which were still running for Sunday afternoon's
>> feature race.  If you can come, please join us in the Triumph Ghetto for
>> our traditional surf n turf cookout on Friday night, which this year
>> should include alligator, complements of our seafood provider and TR4
>> racer Rob Deanes.
>>
>> According to the VDCA website, "The Ninth Annual Wild Hare Run at VIR is a
>> 3-day event at this spectacular facility.  Friday will offer 3 practice
>> sessions and our patented Wild Hare Run for all comers.  Saturday  morning
>> practice will be followed by Saturday afternoon's Feature Races.  Sunday
>> morning includes the VDCA Enduro and the Sunday races are in the
>> afternoon.  There is no additional charge for either the Australian
>> Pursuit race or the Enduro."  All this track time for only $400 plus free
>> food.  Not bad.  Don
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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Thu Mar  3 04:58:24 2011
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 06:58:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wismer at VIR
In-Reply-To: <001001cbd993$ff788720$fe699560$@rr.com>
References: <db370.755474e9.3a9fdbf9@aol.com> <op.vrqlhkf6airs7i@don-pc.belkin>
	<20110303053429.65FE218763E@autox.team.net>
	<001001cbd993$ff788720$fe699560$@rr.com>
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We're going to try and make it.  All I have to do is build Susan a new
engine and get it installed in the car all while being gone for the
next two weeks.

Worst case is I'll get it installed and have the Triumph Ghetto
attendee's help hook things up :)

Brad
(Susan's chief mechanic)

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 6:13 AM, Spitfire Racing
<spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> I plan on being there and I believe Henry Frye and Jeff Snook also will be
> there. Hopefully the snow banks will be low enough we can get the rigs out.
> Donn Sopp won't make it this year due to injury.
>
> So, can we get a Triumph count yet? I have never been there before and will
> be following Henry down. Is there an area where all TR types migrate to?
>
> Russ Moore
> Spitfire #49
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tony Drews
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:34 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Wismer at VIR
>
> I'll be at the VDCA VIR event in April, it's an awesome way to start
> the racing season for me.  Dennis Delap is planning to attend as well
> in either his TR-4 or his TR powered TVR - my money's on the TVR.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 04:16 PM 3/2/2011, Don Marshall wrote:
>>Bill, please make sure Bob knows to look us up in the Triumph Ghetto at
>>VIR in April.  We'll probably be up on the hill to the west of the
>>entrance as usual.  You should come too.
>>
>>In case anyone isn't aware, the VDCA event at VIR seems to have become the
>>premier spring event for Triumphs on the east coast.  Not only is the
>>facility among the best in the nation but the amount of track time is
>>unmatched anywhere, and at a very reasonable price. Last year we had a
>>bunch of TRs, most of which were still running for Sunday afternoon's
>>feature race.  If you can come, please join us in the Triumph Ghetto for
>>our traditional surf n turf cookout on Friday night, which this year
>>should include alligator, complements of our seafood provider and TR4
>>racer Rob Deanes.
>>
>>According to the VDCA website, "The Ninth Annual Wild Hare Run at VIR is a
>>3-day event at this spectacular facility.  Friday will offer 3 practice
>>sessions and our patented Wild Hare Run for all comers.  Saturday  morning
>>practice will be followed by Saturday afternoon's Feature Races.  Sunday
>>morning includes the VDCA Enduro and the Sunday races are in the
>>afternoon.  There is no additional charge for either the Australian
>>Pursuit race or the Enduro."  All this track time for only $400 plus free
>>food.  Not bad.  Don
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From adcronin at mi.rr.com  Thu Mar  3 09:22:25 2011
From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 11:22:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: "Killed Myself When I Was Young"- A vintage crash
 compilation
References: <C26475D821404C71A9B0810996B6ECBF@JohnPC>
Message-ID: <38285A3D-3BF5-4A59-AA75-E42E86116339@mi.rr.com>

This is something else!
Dan

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Fred John" <v6sprite at charter.net>
> Date: March 3, 2011 10:20:49 AM EST
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Subject: Fw: "Killed Myself When I Was Young"- A vintage crash compilation
>
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:51 AM
> Subject: : "Killed Myself When I Was Young"- A vintage crash compilation
>
>
>
>
> Before roll cages and many safety improvements  including seat belts. These
guys were nuts.
>
> Dramatic Vintage Racing Crashes!
>
> http://vimeo.com/20247765
>
> __,_._,___


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Thu Mar  3 10:33:07 2011
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:33:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: "Killed Myself When I Was Young"- A vintage crash
 compilation
In-Reply-To: <38285A3D-3BF5-4A59-AA75-E42E86116339@mi.rr.com>
References: <C26475D821404C71A9B0810996B6ECBF@JohnPC>,
	<38285A3D-3BF5-4A59-AA75-E42E86116339@mi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <SNT134-w1605276FEC307E1C09580390C30@phx.gbl>

There's another 1.43 seconds off any future lap time.................Henry
Morrison


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Mar  3 11:42:55 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:42:55 -0800
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup photo's
In-Reply-To: <20110227205600.C52CE18764E@autox.team.net>
References: <20110227205600.C52CE18764E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <190601cbd9d2$cfe25fb0$6fa71f10$@rr.com>

Here's a web site with Tim's photos, reduced to about 1Mb each:

http://tinyurl.com/4apw733

There is a link in the corner where you can download them if you wish.

-- Randall 


From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Thu Mar  3 16:07:09 2011
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 18:07:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Video on Vintage race crashes.
Message-ID: <EFB3AE9348174B37A7D37324B2D9BC4E@Bucktailus>

From: Robert Johns

Subject: "Killed Myself When I was Young" Video
Yes , You can make a rather good case that we were crazy to race with out the
safety features used today, but in defense, every one was in the same boat.
As I have said, when in Europe we used the Nurburgring to practice on.  A very
good friend, Norman Babcock, was driving his MG-TD on the Nurburgring and when
he came back up the straight, over the fence from the Start and Finish line,
into the first hard left, going over the bridge, he over cooked it and went
straight off the curve. The TD flipped end over end and he dropped out as the
car went over.  He dropped onto the grass  and was unhurt.  The TD was
totaled.  Dumb luck, but that is the way it was.  Being in the Air Force,  I
had access to the old belts being replaced with new,  in the fighter planes
that I worked on.  So I installed one in my car, but the Europeans did not
believe in them at that point in time.  So, I certainly can relate to those
old photos.  When I raced out West in 1956, roll bars were not required.
There was a fatality at Sebring in 1957 and at Meadowdale, IL.in 1958, both
with no roll bars.  In fact, because I dropped out of racing after Sebring, to
go to college, I never got to drive  a car with a roll bar or roll cage.  I am
sure that Kas will concur with how things were in those early days of Sport
Car racing. I think roll bars became required by SCCA in either 1959 or 1960.
R.C. Johns


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Thu Mar  3 19:15:38 2011
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 20:15:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
Message-ID: <000001cbda12$0de0bd90$29a238b0$@rr.com>

I ran at TWS this past weekend and had some trouble with the TR3.  On Friday
and Saturday I could not get the engine to pull above 5500 RPM in 4th on the
front straight at TWS.  Coming out of the corners in 3rd, I was getting
6000rpm without issue.  I checked the timing and it was rock solid at
32degrees at 3000-5000rpm.  I run H6 carbs with RC needles and 0.100 jets.
I run twin facet cube pumps pushing fuel from the cell at the back.  

 

On Sunday, we noticed that my cross shaft (at the firewall) had lots of
slop.  It turns out that the cross shaft was rotating about 10 degrees
before it was pulling the little lever back that actuates throttle shaft.  I
had been checking the butter flies by moving the carb linkage at the carbs,
bad mistake.  My butter flies were not fully opening.  So we corrected that
problem (thanks Walt) and at the same time I replaced the Grosse Jets with
Viton tipped float needle valves.  Strange thing was I could not get the car
to run over 4500 rpm on the front straight or pulling out of the corners
after those two changes.  I tried going a bit then a lot richer (to the
point the car would hardly start) thinking that I had just introduced a lot
more airflow at full throttle, but that did not help. 

 

Any ideas?  I'd like to solve this one at home but I can't replicate the
full load and this problem does not manifest until under full load.

Thanks,

 

Greg 


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  3 19:16:13 2011
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (T Thompson)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 18:16:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup - Topeka 2010 Photos
Message-ID: <31835.40231.qm@web65701.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

A little late!, but I just posted about 30 photos to Photobucket. I know there 
are a few that fellow racers in CO may want, and I have some group photos as 
well for others. 


Use this link....

http://s947.photobucket.com/albums/ad312/tr4vintageracer/

Enjoy,

Ty


From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Mar  3 19:29:05 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 18:29:05 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
References: <000001cbda12$0de0bd90$29a238b0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <70DCE34667034C08A3C71EF2AA68E763@Bud>

loose throttle shaft between the carbs..one carb opening all the way..the 
other not completely...clamps slipping on the rod..RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 6:15 PM
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm


>I ran at TWS this past weekend and had some trouble with the TR3.  On 
>Friday
> and Saturday I could not get the engine to pull above 5500 RPM in 4th on 
> the
> front straight at TWS.  Coming out of the corners in 3rd, I was getting
> 6000rpm without issue.  I checked the timing and it was rock solid at
> 32degrees at 3000-5000rpm.  I run H6 carbs with RC needles and 0.100 jets.
> I run twin facet cube pumps pushing fuel from the cell at the back.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, we noticed that my cross shaft (at the firewall) had lots of
> slop.  It turns out that the cross shaft was rotating about 10 degrees
> before it was pulling the little lever back that actuates throttle shaft. 
> I
> had been checking the butter flies by moving the carb linkage at the 
> carbs,
> bad mistake.  My butter flies were not fully opening.  So we corrected 
> that
> problem (thanks Walt) and at the same time I replaced the Grosse Jets with
> Viton tipped float needle valves.  Strange thing was I could not get the 
> car
> to run over 4500 rpm on the front straight or pulling out of the corners
> after those two changes.  I tried going a bit then a lot richer (to the
> point the car would hardly start) thinking that I had just introduced a 
> lot
> more airflow at full throttle, but that did not help.
>
>
>
> Any ideas?  I'd like to solve this one at home but I can't replicate the
> full load and this problem does not manifest until under full load.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Greg
> _______________________________________________
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Thu Mar  3 20:38:30 2011
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 03:38:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Differential Play
Message-ID: <379670956.1696730.1299209910560.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

My recent post about possible "sloppy"B sliding spline rear axles on my street
TR6 provedB not to be the problem after an inspection.B  It now appears there
might be excessive "play" in the stock diff which was determined by jacking up
theB rear of the car, putting it in gear then rockingB a wheel back and
forth.B  I could move the wheel a fair amount beforeB I could feelB it engage
the diff.B  B I compared this withB myB TR4 racerB which was almost no "play"
but that might not be a valid comparison as the TR4 has a Quaiffe LSD.B  How
much "play" should there be in a stock TR6 diff assuming the spline axles are
in good shape?B  Thanks.



Gary

1969 TR6B B B 
B 


From lfritz82 at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  3 22:29:42 2011
From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 00:29:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 wheels
Message-ID: <SNT143-w371FCA32B203393C1CA284DAC20@phx.gbl>

Hi,   I have a friend who would like to trade his TR250/early TR6 wheels with
pegs for stock fake mag hub caps  for later TR6 wheels.  We are in central Pa.
Thanks,  Lorne


From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Mar  4 00:43:14 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 01:43:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
In-Reply-To: <000001cbda12$0de0bd90$29a238b0$@rr.com>
References: <000001cbda12$0de0bd90$29a238b0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <20110304074321.D0408187657@autox.team.net>

Are you running a fuel pressure regulator?  Any gunk in the fuel 
filter(s)?  Kinda sounds like problems we had long ago due to not 
enough fuel flow - in our case taking out the fuel pressure regulator 
solved it.  We also seemed to have an occasional problem where we 
think we were setting up a vibration in the float bowls of the carbs, 
but that was at more like 5500 RPM.

I'd try new pumps, check fuel filter, remove pressure regulator 
(those Facets don't put out much pressure anyway), look at what kind 
of diameter fuel line (I run 3/16" ID / -6 Aeroquip).  Double check 
float level, make sure the needles aren't sticking, look for junk in 
the bottom of the float bowls (probably need to take carbs apart to 
blow everything out).  If backing off of the gas seems to get you 
more RPM's, I strongly suspect a fuel delivery problem - that's how 
the regulator restriction acted.

Starting point, anyway...

Tony Drews

At 08:15 PM 3/3/2011, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:
>I ran at TWS this past weekend and had some trouble with the TR3.  On Friday
>and Saturday I could not get the engine to pull above 5500 RPM in 4th on the
>front straight at TWS.  Coming out of the corners in 3rd, I was getting
>6000rpm without issue.  I checked the timing and it was rock solid at
>32degrees at 3000-5000rpm.  I run H6 carbs with RC needles and 0.100 jets.
>I run twin facet cube pumps pushing fuel from the cell at the back.
>
>
>
>On Sunday, we noticed that my cross shaft (at the firewall) had lots of
>slop.  It turns out that the cross shaft was rotating about 10 degrees
>before it was pulling the little lever back that actuates throttle shaft.  I
>had been checking the butter flies by moving the carb linkage at the carbs,
>bad mistake.  My butter flies were not fully opening.  So we corrected that
>problem (thanks Walt) and at the same time I replaced the Grosse Jets with
>Viton tipped float needle valves.  Strange thing was I could not get the car
>to run over 4500 rpm on the front straight or pulling out of the corners
>after those two changes.  I tried going a bit then a lot richer (to the
>point the car would hardly start) thinking that I had just introduced a lot
>more airflow at full throttle, but that did not help.
>
>
>
>Any ideas?  I'd like to solve this one at home but I can't replicate the
>full load and this problem does not manifest until under full load.
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>
>Greg
>_______________________________________________
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>
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Fri Mar  4 05:58:03 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 04:58:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
In-Reply-To: <20110304074321.D0408187657@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <208540.88017.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tony: I hope you meant that you run 3/8" line and not 3/16". I can't imagine
3/16" would be enough.
-Ed-

--- On Fri, 3/4/11, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:


From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
To: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>, fot at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 1:43 AM


Are you running a fuel pressure regulator?  Any gunk in the fuel
filter(s)?  Kinda sounds like problems we had long ago due to not
enough fuel flow - in our case taking out the fuel pressure regulator
solved it.  We also seemed to have an occasional problem where we
think we were setting up a vibration in the float bowls of the carbs,
but that was at more like 5500 RPM.

I'd try new pumps, check fuel filter, remove pressure regulator
(those Facets don't put out much pressure anyway), look at what kind
of diameter fuel line (I run 3/16" ID / -6 Aeroquip).  Double check
float level, make sure the needles aren't sticking, look for junk in
the bottom of the float bowls (probably need to take carbs apart to
blow everything out).  If backing off of the gas seems to get you
more RPM's, I strongly suspect a fuel delivery problem - that's how
the regulator restriction acted.

Starting point, anyway...

Tony Drews

At 08:15 PM 3/3/2011, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:
>I ran at TWS this past weekend and had some trouble with the TR3.  On Friday
>and Saturday I could not get the engine to pull above 5500 RPM in 4th on the
>front straight at TWS.  Coming out of the corners in 3rd, I was getting
>6000rpm without issue.  I checked the timing and it was rock solid at
>32degrees at 3000-5000rpm.  I run H6 carbs with RC needles and 0.100 jets.
>I run twin facet cube pumps pushing fuel from the cell at the back.
>
>
>
>On Sunday, we noticed that my cross shaft (at the firewall) had lots of
>slop.  It turns out that the cross shaft was rotating about 10 degrees
>before it was pulling the little lever back that actuates throttle shaft.  I
>had been checking the butter flies by moving the carb linkage at the carbs,
>bad mistake.  My butter flies were not fully opening.  So we corrected that
>problem (thanks Walt) and at the same time I replaced the Grosse Jets with
>Viton tipped float needle valves.  Strange thing was I could not get the car
>to run over 4500 rpm on the front straight or pulling out of the corners
>after those two changes.  I tried going a bit then a lot richer (to the
>point the car would hardly start) thinking that I had just introduced a lot
>more airflow at full throttle, but that did not help.
>
>
>
>Any ideas?  I'd like to solve this one at home but I can't replicate the
>full load and this problem does not manifest until under full load.
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>
>Greg
>_______________________________________________
>fot at autox.team.net
>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri Mar  4 07:44:39 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 09:44:39 EST
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
Message-ID: <11adf.738a56f4.3aa254d7@aol.com>

In a message dated 03/04/2011 7:21:18 AM Central Standard Time, 
edwardbarnard at prodigy.net writes:


> Tony: I hope you meant that you run 3/8" line and not 3/16". I can't 
> imagine
> 3/16" would be enough.
> 

That's 1 3/16" vice 3/16"  Tony's engine is working very, very hard.  I'm 
almost positive Tony runs an 1 3/16" fuel line.  At least.  3/8" wouldn't be 
sufficient.

I'm pretty sure he's got a 55 gallon fuel tank too.

Bill (Damdinger)


From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Mar  4 08:23:21 2011
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:23:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
In-Reply-To: <11adf.738a56f4.3aa254d7@aol.com>
References: <11adf.738a56f4.3aa254d7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000801cbda80$18ef8310$4ace8930$@rr.com>

Easy to see it's been a VERY long winter for many of us!!

Russ Moore

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 9:45 AM
To: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; ablake2 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net;
tony at tonydrews.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm

In a message dated 03/04/2011 7:21:18 AM Central Standard Time, 
edwardbarnard at prodigy.net writes:


> Tony: I hope you meant that you run 3/8" line and not 3/16". I can't 
> imagine
> 3/16" would be enough.
> 

That's 1 3/16" vice 3/16"  Tony's engine is working very, very hard.  I'm 
almost positive Tony runs an 1 3/16" fuel line.  At least.  3/8" wouldn't be

sufficient.

I'm pretty sure he's got a 55 gallon fuel tank too.

Bill (Damdinger)
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Mar  4 10:05:36 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 11:05:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
In-Reply-To: <208540.88017.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20110304074321.D0408187657@autox.team.net>
	<208540.88017.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20110304170541.8143418788D@autox.team.net>

Yikes.  Yes, I meant 3/8".  Thanks for the correction.

- Tony

At 06:58 AM 3/4/2011, EDWARD BARNARD wrote:
>Tony: I hope you meant that you run 3/8" line and not 3/16". I can't 
>imagine 3/16" would be enough.
>-Ed-


From kaskas at cox.net  Fri Mar  4 11:37:24 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:37:24 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Video on Vintage race crashes.
In-Reply-To: <EFB3AE9348174B37A7D37324B2D9BC4E@Bucktailus>
Message-ID: <20110304133724.B30LT.1467392.imail@fed1rmwml39>

Roll abrs were required by the California Sports Car Club in the last week of May in 1958. It was a surp[rise and accoutned for my square roll bar I used for two years.
---- Robert Johns <rjohns at woh.rr.com> wrote: 
From: Robert Johns

Subject: "Killed Myself When I was Young" Video
Yes , You can make a rather good case that we were crazy to race with out the
safety features used today, but in defense, every one was in the same boat.
As I have said, when in Europe we used the Nurburgring to practice on.  A very
good friend, Norman Babcock, was driving his MG-TD on the Nurburgring and when
he came back up the straight, over the fence from the Start and Finish line,
into the first hard left, going over the bridge, he over cooked it and went
straight off the curve. The TD flipped end over end and he dropped out as the
car went over.  He dropped onto the grass  and was unhurt.  The TD was
totaled.  Dumb luck, but that is the way it was.  Being in the Air Force,  I
had access to the old belts being replaced with new,  in the fighter planes
that I worked on.  So I installed one in my car, but the Europeans did not
believe in them at that point in time.  So, I certainly can relate to those
old photos.  When I raced out West in 1956, roll bars were not required.
There was a fatality at Sebring in 1957 and at Meadowdale, IL.in 1958, both
with no roll bars.  In fact, because I dropped out of racing after Sebring, to
go to college, I never got to drive  a car with a roll bar or roll cage.  I am
sure that Kas will concur with how things were in those early days of Sport
Car racing. I think roll bars became required by SCCA in either 1959 or 1960.
R.C. Johns
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From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Fri Mar  4 11:40:05 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 13:40:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>

I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed group.  He  
has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the southeast and  
will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next month.  Mark, his  
email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.

The following excerpt is from an email he sent me.  I'm sure he'll be a  
good addition to our group. Can I get a second?  Don

  "I've been into racing most anything that has a motor and wheels
since the 40's when in high school building hot rods. Took off a few years
while in college, but beginning in 1959 bought my first sports car, an
Austin Healy 3000 w/o a jump seat, next a MGB, then a Porsche 912, then a
Merc 280SL, now an Alfa Spider for the street and my TR3A for the track.
Crewed for a friend in the 60's with a bug-eye sprite in SCCA events then
got into motorcycles. I road motorcycle road-racers for about 10 years and
when I retired from riding, built and tuned 250cc GP road-racers with a
rider on the AMA pro circuit for about 7 years. We did pretty well, never
finished worse than 5th. in overall standings and won the national
championship in 1990. My good friend Ceasar Cone got me back into sports
car racing and when it came time to buy a car I decided that if I was going
vintage racing I wanted a truly vintage car and I think the TR3A is a
perfect truly vintage car.
  A little history on the TR3A. I have been able to trace its history
back to 1988 when it was found in a hanger already prepared as a race car  
by
a young man in Denver CO. It then went to the Dallas TX area, back to  
Denver
and then to Tulsa OK where I got the car. I am now the 6th. Owner since
1988. I have documented over 75 races the car has been in mostly in the
Midwest with CVRA, VSCDA, RMVA, at tracks such as Texas World, Hallet,
Second Creek, Casper, Stapleton, Steam Boat Springs, Copper Mountain,  
Eagles
Canyon, Blackhawk Farms. It ventured east a few times to Road America and
with SVRA at Mid Ohio and Watkins Glen."
--


From emanteno at comcast.net  Fri Mar  4 12:05:16 2011
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:05:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
References: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
Message-ID: <AANLkTincLsETcparm4ozPOF5ap9kqjKgSmHO6SLU7=b4@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Don Marshall <donmarshall at nefcom.net>wrote:

> I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed group.  He
> has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the southeast and
> will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next month.  Mark, his
> email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.
>
> The following excerpt is from an email he sent me.  I'm sure he'll be a
> good addition to our group. Can I get a second?  Don
>


Second. Welcome, John.


From jason at multivintage.com  Fri Mar  4 12:18:38 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:18:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
References: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2pxAyp1vqKDJ5dagA9zv-bB1NN2LiKQjkfVS=@mail.gmail.com>

That's quite a resume, I'll second it. Anyone who raced motorcycles,
certainly has the right guts for FOT.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Don Marshall <donmarshall at nefcom.net>wrote:

> I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed group.  He
> has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the southeast and
> will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next month.  Mark, his
> email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.
>
> The following excerpt is from an email he sent me.  I'm sure he'll be a
> good addition to our group. Can I get a second?  Don
>
>  "I've been into racing most anything that has a motor and wheels
> since the 40's when in high school building hot rods. Took off a few years
> while in college, but beginning in 1959 bought my first sports car, an
> Austin Healy 3000 w/o a jump seat, next a MGB, then a Porsche 912, then a
> Merc 280SL, now an Alfa Spider for the street and my TR3A for the track.
> Crewed for a friend in the 60's with a bug-eye sprite in SCCA events then
> got into motorcycles. I road motorcycle road-racers for about 10 years and
> when I retired from riding, built and tuned 250cc GP road-racers with a
> rider on the AMA pro circuit for about 7 years. We did pretty well, never
> finished worse than 5th. in overall standings and won the national
> championship in 1990. My good friend Ceasar Cone got me back into sports
> car racing and when it came time to buy a car I decided that if I was going
> vintage racing I wanted a truly vintage car and I think the TR3A is a
> perfect truly vintage car.
>  A little history on the TR3A. I have been able to trace its history
> back to 1988 when it was found in a hanger already prepared as a race car
> by
> a young man in Denver CO. It then went to the Dallas TX area, back to
> Denver
> and then to Tulsa OK where I got the car. I am now the 6th. Owner since
> 1988. I have documented over 75 races the car has been in mostly in the
> Midwest with CVRA, VSCDA, RMVA, at tracks such as Texas World, Hallet,
> Second Creek, Casper, Stapleton, Steam Boat Springs, Copper Mountain,
> Eagles
> Canyon, Blackhawk Farms. It ventured east a few times to Road America and
> with SVRA at Mid Ohio and Watkins Glen."
> --
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Fri Mar  4 12:18:46 2011
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 12:18:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
References: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
Message-ID: <AE28256B-6924-4DF9-B861-2317E0B534A9@earthlink.net>

That's got to be Larry & Tom Young's car. Second. And welcome John.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Mar 4, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Don Marshall wrote:

> I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed  
> group.  He
> has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the  
> southeast and
> will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next month.  Mark, his
> email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.
>
> The following excerpt is from an email he sent me.  I'm sure he'll  
> be a
> good addition to our group. Can I get a second?  Don
>
>   "I've been into racing most anything that has a motor and wheels
> since the 40's when in high school building hot rods. Took off a  
> few years
> while in college, but beginning in 1959 bought my first sports car, an
> Austin Healy 3000 w/o a jump seat, next a MGB, then a Porsche 912,  
> then a
> Merc 280SL, now an Alfa Spider for the street and my TR3A for the  
> track.
> Crewed for a friend in the 60's with a bug-eye sprite in SCCA  
> events then
> got into motorcycles. I road motorcycle road-racers for about 10  
> years and
> when I retired from riding, built and tuned 250cc GP road-racers  
> with a
> rider on the AMA pro circuit for about 7 years. We did pretty well,  
> never
> finished worse than 5th. in overall standings and won the national
> championship in 1990. My good friend Ceasar Cone got me back into  
> sports
> car racing and when it came time to buy a car I decided that if I  
> was going
> vintage racing I wanted a truly vintage car and I think the TR3A is a
> perfect truly vintage car.
>   A little history on the TR3A. I have been able to trace its history
> back to 1988 when it was found in a hanger already prepared as a  
> race car
> by
> a young man in Denver CO. It then went to the Dallas TX area, back to
> Denver
> and then to Tulsa OK where I got the car. I am now the 6th. Owner  
> since
> 1988. I have documented over 75 races the car has been in mostly in  
> the
> Midwest with CVRA, VSCDA, RMVA, at tracks such as Texas World, Hallet,
> Second Creek, Casper, Stapleton, Steam Boat Springs, Copper Mountain,
> Eagles
> Canyon, Blackhawk Farms. It ventured east a few times to Road  
> America and
> with SVRA at Mid Ohio and Watkins Glen."
> --
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>
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Mar  4 12:30:39 2011
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 14:30:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & GT-6 pistons
Message-ID: <003401cbdaa2$a4de4ba0$ee9ae2e0$@rr.com>

The effort continues to raise funds for racing. I have two NOS sets of
AE-Hepolite pistons (pt# 18690V1) for the 1147 FB/FC prefix engine used in
the Spitfire & Herald & Amphicar. These are .030" oversize. This is 2 sets
of 4 each. I can send pictures. 

 

A number of head gaskets for an 1147.

 

Also there is a NOS set of .020" oversize Hepolite pistons for a GT-6 Mk3.
(pt# AE19178) 

 

Please inquire off line.

 

Russ Moore

Spitfire #49


From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Mar  4 12:37:43 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 13:37:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
References: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
Message-ID: <4D713F87.1050804@pobox.com>

Of course, I will second that, since John now has my yellow TR3.  He's 
already made some nice improvements that I never got around to.
Larry Young

On 3/4/2011 12:40 PM, Don Marshall wrote:
> I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed group.  He
> has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the southeast and
> will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next month.  Mark, his
> email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.
>
> The following excerpt is from an email he sent me.  I'm sure he'll be a
> good addition to our group. Can I get a second?  Don
>
>    "I've been into racing most anything that has a motor and wheels
> since the 40's when in high school building hot rods. Took off a few years
> while in college, but beginning in 1959 bought my first sports car, an
> Austin Healy 3000 w/o a jump seat, next a MGB, then a Porsche 912, then a
> Merc 280SL, now an Alfa Spider for the street and my TR3A for the track.
> Crewed for a friend in the 60's with a bug-eye sprite in SCCA events then
> got into motorcycles. I road motorcycle road-racers for about 10 years and
> when I retired from riding, built and tuned 250cc GP road-racers with a
> rider on the AMA pro circuit for about 7 years. We did pretty well, never
> finished worse than 5th. in overall standings and won the national
> championship in 1990. My good friend Ceasar Cone got me back into sports
> car racing and when it came time to buy a car I decided that if I was going
> vintage racing I wanted a truly vintage car and I think the TR3A is a
> perfect truly vintage car.
>    A little history on the TR3A. I have been able to trace its history
> back to 1988 when it was found in a hanger already prepared as a race car
> by
> a young man in Denver CO. It then went to the Dallas TX area, back to
> Denver
> and then to Tulsa OK where I got the car. I am now the 6th. Owner since
> 1988. I have documented over 75 races the car has been in mostly in the
> Midwest with CVRA, VSCDA, RMVA, at tracks such as Texas World, Hallet,
> Second Creek, Casper, Stapleton, Steam Boat Springs, Copper Mountain,
> Eagles
> Canyon, Blackhawk Farms. It ventured east a few times to Road America and
> with SVRA at Mid Ohio and Watkins Glen."
> --
> _______________________________________________
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>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Fri Mar  4 12:51:24 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:51:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
References: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A2E09FC107E@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

That car has made it from the mountains of the west to the eastern shore. I
owned it from 1996 to 2000. I bought it from Al Hughes, who lived in Austin
but had a house in Colorado. The prior owner was a Bill Miller from Colorado.
Al eventually brought it to Texas sold it to me and got me started in vintage
racing. I sold it to Jeff Wilt from Dallas and got him started. He sold it a
few years later to Larry Young, getting him in the fold. Larry improved the
car substantially while he owned it. It is great to know that the car is in
the hands of a soon to be FoT.

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson





-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Don Marshall
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 12:40 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Nomination

I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed group.  He
has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the southeast and
will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next month.  Mark, his
email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.

The following excerpt is from an email he sent me.  I'm sure he'll be a
good addition to our group. Can I get a second?  Don

  "I've been into racing most anything that has a motor and wheels
since the 40's when in high school building hot rods. Took off a few years
while in college, but beginning in 1959 bought my first sports car, an
Austin Healy 3000 w/o a jump seat, next a MGB, then a Porsche 912, then a
Merc 280SL, now an Alfa Spider for the street and my TR3A for the track.
Crewed for a friend in the 60's with a bug-eye sprite in SCCA events then
got into motorcycles. I road motorcycle road-racers for about 10 years and
when I retired from riding, built and tuned 250cc GP road-racers with a
rider on the AMA pro circuit for about 7 years. We did pretty well, never
finished worse than 5th. in overall standings and won the national
championship in 1990. My good friend Ceasar Cone got me back into sports
car racing and when it came time to buy a car I decided that if I was going
vintage racing I wanted a truly vintage car and I think the TR3A is a
perfect truly vintage car.
  A little history on the TR3A. I have been able to trace its history
back to 1988 when it was found in a hanger already prepared as a race car
by
a young man in Denver CO. It then went to the Dallas TX area, back to
Denver
and then to Tulsa OK where I got the car. I am now the 6th. Owner since
1988. I have documented over 75 races the car has been in mostly in the
Midwest with CVRA, VSCDA, RMVA, at tracks such as Texas World, Hallet,
Second Creek, Casper, Stapleton, Steam Boat Springs, Copper Mountain,
Eagles
Canyon, Blackhawk Farms. It ventured east a few times to Road America and
with SVRA at Mid Ohio and Watkins Glen."
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri Mar  4 14:08:54 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:08:54 EST
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Nomination
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In a message dated 03/04/2011 1:02:35 PM Central Standard Time, 
donmarshall at nefcom.net writes:


> I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed group.  He 
>  
> has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the southeast and  
> 
> will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next month.  Mark, his  
> email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.


Absolutely!  

I'll SECOND that nomination for another TR3 racer!

Bill Dentinger


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  5 07:06:13 2011
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 14:06:13 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Video on Vintage race crashes.
In-Reply-To: <20110304133724.B30LT.1467392.imail@fed1rmwml39>
References: <EFB3AE9348174B37A7D37324B2D9BC4E@Bucktailus><20110304133724.B30LT.1467392.imail@fed1rmwml39>
Message-ID: <mailman.23.1638251568.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

Kas-

Did you have any rollovers before you put the roll bar in?  Or after? Seeing some of these guys get up and walk away is pretty amazing.  

Ty  
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:37:24 
To: FOT team<fot at autox.team.net>; Robert Johns<rjohns at woh.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Video on Vintage race crashes.

Roll abrs were required by the California Sports Car Club in the last week of May in 1958. It was a surp[rise and accoutned for my square roll bar I used for two years.
---- Robert Johns <rjohns at woh.rr.com> wrote: 
From: Robert Johns

Subject: "Killed Myself When I was Young" Video
Yes , You can make a rather good case that we were crazy to race with out the
safety features used today, but in defense, every one was in the same boat.
As I have said, when in Europe we used the Nurburgring to practice on.  A very
good friend, Norman Babcock, was driving his MG-TD on the Nurburgring and when
he came back up the straight, over the fence from the Start and Finish line,
into the first hard left, going over the bridge, he over cooked it and went
straight off the curve. The TD flipped end over end and he dropped out as the
car went over.  He dropped onto the grass  and was unhurt.  The TD was
totaled.  Dumb luck, but that is the way it was.  Being in the Air Force,  I
had access to the old belts being replaced with new,  in the fighter planes
that I worked on.  So I installed one in my car, but the Europeans did not
believe in them at that point in time.  So, I certainly can relate to those
old photos.  When I raced out West in 1956, roll bars were not required.
There was a fatality at Sebring in 1957 and at Meadowdale, IL.in 1958, both
with no roll bars.  In fact, because I dropped out of racing after Sebring, to
go to college, I never got to drive  a car with a roll bar or roll cage.  I am
sure that Kas will concur with how things were in those early days of Sport
Car racing. I think roll bars became required by SCCA in either 1959 or 1960.
R.C. Johns
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From kaskas at cox.net  Sat Mar  5 09:56:36 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 8:56:36 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Video on Vintage race crashes.
In-Reply-To: <1224579757-1299333976-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1397452951-@bda599.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20110305115636.D9PDI.1503423.imail@fed1rmwml45>

Yes, I had one roll over in 1960 (my last race and then the factory folks found out I was racing). I had in my smaller round bar just in back of my head, and it protected me just fine. But my hard hat is what did the job for me. I still have my helmet and it has three marks about 1.5" in diameter. This was my second generation bar.  Never had a roll over in the previous 8 years. Several roll overs in my team cars, no one was ever knocked out or hurt in any way even though a couple of the cars were totaled.

---- tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote: 
Kas-

Did you have any rollovers before you put the roll bar in?  Or after? Seeing some of these guys get up and walk away is pretty amazing.  

Ty  
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:37:24 
To: FOT team<fot at autox.team.net>; Robert Johns<rjohns at woh.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Video on Vintage race crashes.

Roll abrs were required by the California Sports Car Club in the last week of May in 1958. It was a surp[rise and accoutned for my square roll bar I used for two years.
---- Robert Johns <rjohns at woh.rr.com> wrote: 
From: Robert Johns

Subject: "Killed Myself When I was Young" Video
Yes , You can make a rather good case that we were crazy to race with out the
safety features used today, but in defense, every one was in the same boat.
As I have said, when in Europe we used the Nurburgring to practice on.  A very
good friend, Norman Babcock, was driving his MG-TD on the Nurburgring and when
he came back up the straight, over the fence from the Start and Finish line,
into the first hard left, going over the bridge, he over cooked it and went
straight off the curve. The TD flipped end over end and he dropped out as the
car went over.  He dropped onto the grass  and was unhurt.  The TD was
totaled.  Dumb luck, but that is the way it was.  Being in the Air Force,  I
had access to the old belts being replaced with new,  in the fighter planes
that I worked on.  So I installed one in my car, but the Europeans did not
believe in them at that point in time.  So, I certainly can relate to those
old photos.  When I raced out West in 1956, roll bars were not required.
There was a fatality at Sebring in 1957 and at Meadowdale, IL.in 1958, both
with no roll bars.  In fact, because I dropped out of racing after Sebring, to
go to college, I never got to drive  a car with a roll bar or roll cage.  I am
sure that Kas will concur with how things were in those early days of Sport
Car racing. I think roll bars became required by SCCA in either 1959 or 1960.
R.C. Johns
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From jmwagner at tstonramp.com  Sat Mar  5 10:34:47 2011
From: jmwagner at tstonramp.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 09:34:47 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Of Topic: Great Shell Comercial
References: <1A2F6CC8-7E62-4F1F-AA64-0491FD904058@tstonramp.com>
Message-ID: <100F13CF-0A1C-4CC3-9779-6CA295596FA4@tstonramp.com>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Justin Wagner <jmwagner at tstonramp.com>
> Date: March 4, 2011 7:02:33 PM PST
> To: "jmwagner at greenheart.com" <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
> Subject: Justin:  Great Shell Comercial
> 

> 
>> Crank up your sound.
>>  
>>                              This should satisfy the need for speed...
>> Here's a Shell commercial shown in Europe .  They're selling gasoline, but
>> the cars used in the video steal the show.
>>  
>> Ferrari pulled several of their race cars from various ages out of
>> storage, flew them around the world, and filmed them running through the
>> streets of Rome , Rio , New York , Hong Kong, Honolulu , and Monaco .   No
>> CGI -these are the original cars on the original streets.
>> The best part is the sound - from the basso-profundo notes of the early,
>> front-engine era, each scene cuts to a later generation, ending with the
>> wail of a modern F1 car.
>> The sounds alone bring a tear to the eye. 
>> Even if you're not a gearhead, this video will stir the soul.
>> There's just something about 3 liters @ 14,000 RPM!
>>  
>>  
>> [ http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=1_kwxzU4wL4&vq=medium


From smockracer at charter.net  Sat Mar  5 20:52:25 2011
From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock )
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 19:52:25 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca
Message-ID: <0047D2A049D54847830653E01B2CC7FD@fred>

So far we have 10 hotel reservations and Car BIOs and Driver BIOs for  6 TR4s
, 3 TR3s and 1 Devin TR3. If you are going to come and PLAY please send me
Bios and pictures.   Paul Smock TR4A#190 at  smockracer at charter.net


From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Sat Mar  5 21:33:20 2011
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 04:33:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] no lbc  compressed nat. gas
Message-ID: <1187717589.894425.1299386000406.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

I would like to know if anyone is runningB  a CNG vehicle. or even gone as far
as to convert to vegetable oil for their diesel motors. I drive about 25k to
30k miles a year and the savings is intriguing but to be honest the last time
i started to think about this was after KatrinaB B  thanksB B B B  robB 


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Sun Mar  6 06:53:09 2011
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 06:53:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] I'd like to buy a vowel!
Message-ID: <SNT134-w41664B20042EF210E99C5E90C40@phx.gbl>

Any body out there got a "U" for a TR4?  My scottish blood won't let me buy a
whole set of letters..........................Cheers Henry Morrison,
Albuquerque, NM


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar  6 07:16:01 2011
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 06:16:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca
In-Reply-To: <0047D2A049D54847830653E01B2CC7FD@fred>
References: <0047D2A049D54847830653E01B2CC7FD@fred>
Message-ID: <63859.34923.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Paul - Joan and I have booked our air fair to LA.  We will be driving up the
coast to the San Francisco area for our FOT racing event and as much other fun
stuff that we can pack into the two week stint.  I have not figured out my
race 
car transport yet - I'll keep you informed.

Thanks
Dennis


So far we
have 10 hotel reservations and Car BIOs and Driver BIOs for  6 TR4s
, 3 TR3s
and 1 Devin TR3. If you are going to come and PLAY please send me
Bios and
pictures.  Paul Smock TR4A#190 at  smockracer at charter.net
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From markvaden at gmail.com  Sun Mar  6 09:41:32 2011
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 08:41:32 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca
In-Reply-To: <0047D2A049D54847830653E01B2CC7FD@fred>
References: <0047D2A049D54847830653E01B2CC7FD@fred>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Y-NE=+h4g+gNU-prpLtKHXKSAPzW19Nip2MSw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Paul,

I am planning to come, and I will book a hotel now. The problem I have with
the bio, is I am planning on driving the new car, but I am hedging my bet a
bit, and if I don't finish in time, I plan to drive my white car. Do you
want a bio of the new car? I have tons of pictures etc.

-Mark

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Paul Smock <smockracer at charter.net> wrote:

> So far we have 10 hotel reservations and Car BIOs and Driver BIOs for  6
> TR4s
> , 3 TR3s and 1 Devin TR3. If you are going to come and PLAY please send me
> Bios and pictures.   Paul Smock TR4A#190 at  smockracer at charter.net
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From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Sun Mar  6 11:51:27 2011
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 12:51:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass Hood TR6
Message-ID: <674C5DEE-11C1-44EE-A149-6D1E22278233@wi.rr.com>

FoT,

Anybody have a lead on a fiberglass hood for a TR6?

Thanks,

Allen

Allen & Jody Washatko
1971 TR6  - Number 6


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Mar  6 14:53:26 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 22:53:26 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass Hood TR6
In-Reply-To: <674C5DEE-11C1-44EE-A149-6D1E22278233@wi.rr.com>
References: <674C5DEE-11C1-44EE-A149-6D1E22278233@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000101cbdc48$ee921c20$cbb65460$@com>

Honeybourne mouldings?

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Allen Washatko
Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Mdrz 2011 19:51
An: Friends of Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] Fiberglass Hood TR6

FoT,

Anybody have a lead on a fiberglass hood for a TR6?

Thanks,

Allen

Allen & Jody Washatko
1971 TR6  - Number 6
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sun Mar  6 17:23:14 2011
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 19:23:14 EST
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca
Message-ID: <19060.1dc7ab33.3aa57f72@cs.com>

Paul,

Thanks for the note.....my plan is to travel to Buttonw Willow  (British 
Extravaganza) for the weekend, first.

VARA has some things planned for the FOT that will have appeal to folks en 
route to Laguna Seca.     The KCUP committee might publish these features to 
the list.  Low cost entries....single day entries.....BBQ.....Photo 
Shoot.....Free overnight camping at the track.

Then we plan to travel up the PCH to Laguna Seca and meet up with my son(s) 
for the Kastner Cup.   

Track time has DOUBLED since the original proposal and that has appeal. 
EIGHT sessions in two days is more than the equivalent of an ordinary three day 
event.

This has the makings a great event....

Joe Alexander





> So far we have 10 hotel reservations and Car BIOs and Driver BIOs for  6 
> TR4s
> , 3 TR3s and 1 Devin TR3. If you are going to come and PLAY please send me
> Bios and pictures.   Paul Smock TR4A#190 at  smockracer at charter.net
> _______________________________________________
> 

</HTML>


From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  7 06:27:09 2011
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 08:27:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass Hood TR6
In-Reply-To: <000101cbdc48$ee921c20$cbb65460$@com>
References: <674C5DEE-11C1-44EE-A149-6D1E22278233@wi.rr.com>,
	<000101cbdc48$ee921c20$cbb65460$@com>
Message-ID: <SNT136-w23D4275188FEDE599FAA84F9C70@phx.gbl>

I have lightweight racing hoods, decks, and fenders for TR6's. Biggest problem
I have is shipping them. Located in Ohio

Contact me @ Atr6racer at hotmail.com

Sam

> From: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 22:53:26 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fiberglass Hood TR6
>
> Honeybourne mouldings?
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Allen Washatko
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Mdrz 2011 19:51
> An: Friends of Triumph
> Betreff: [Fot] Fiberglass Hood TR6
>
> FoT,
>
> Anybody have a lead on a fiberglass hood for a TR6?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Allen
>
> Allen & Jody Washatko
> 1971 TR6 - Number 6
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From ac at camoletti.ch  Mon Mar  7 07:25:47 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 15:25:47 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <4D713F87.1050804@pobox.com>
References: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
  <4D713F87.1050804@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <004b01cbdcd3$8dc32de0$a94989a0$@camoletti.ch>

Seconded by me too, I immediately recognised Larry's great TR3 (I was runner
up last October in trying to buy it, John was there first, and rightfully
got it) I am pleased and happy it went to such good hands and fellow!
Welcome John, and let us know how it works  with 16!

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Larry Young
Envoyi : vendredi 4 mars 2011 20:38
@ : fot at autox.team.net
Cc : John Hasty
Objet : Re: [Fot] Nomination

Of course, I will second that, since John now has my yellow TR3.  He's
already made some nice improvements that I never got around to.
Larry Young

On 3/4/2011 12:40 PM, Don Marshall wrote:
> I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed group.
> He has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the
> southeast and will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next
> month.  Mark, his email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.
>
> The following excerpt is from an email he sent me.  I'm sure he'll be
> a good addition to our group. Can I get a second?  Don
>
>    "I've been into racing most anything that has a motor and wheels
> since the 40's when in high school building hot rods. Took off a few
> years while in college, but beginning in 1959 bought my first sports
> car, an Austin Healy 3000 w/o a jump seat, next a MGB, then a Porsche
> 912, then a Merc 280SL, now an Alfa Spider for the street and my TR3A for
the track.
> Crewed for a friend in the 60's with a bug-eye sprite in SCCA events
> then got into motorcycles. I road motorcycle road-racers for about 10
> years and when I retired from riding, built and tuned 250cc GP
> road-racers with a rider on the AMA pro circuit for about 7 years. We
> did pretty well, never finished worse than 5th. in overall standings
> and won the national championship in 1990. My good friend Ceasar Cone
> got me back into sports car racing and when it came time to buy a car
> I decided that if I was going vintage racing I wanted a truly vintage
> car and I think the TR3A is a perfect truly vintage car.
>    A little history on the TR3A. I have been able to trace its history
> back to 1988 when it was found in a hanger already prepared as a race
> car by a young man in Denver CO. It then went to the Dallas TX area,
> back to Denver and then to Tulsa OK where I got the car. I am now the
> 6th. Owner since 1988. I have documented over 75 races the car has
> been in mostly in the Midwest with CVRA, VSCDA, RMVA, at tracks such
> as Texas World, Hallet, Second Creek, Casper, Stapleton, Steam Boat
> Springs, Copper Mountain, Eagles Canyon, Blackhawk Farms. It ventured
> east a few times to Road America and with SVRA at Mid Ohio and Watkins
> Glen."
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Mar  7 10:39:05 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 12:39:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 4A motor
Message-ID: <7653BEF734734A36B0F40786513AA4AE@gdhs.local>

Does anyone who plans to attend VIR in April have a 4A motor or block, crank
& head which they would like to sell?

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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Mon Mar  7 15:52:50 2011
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 16:52:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors
Message-ID: <C22F4A3F0AA3EA488D30A42FC8A4817639B0102D44@DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local>

Mark,



You out there I have tried every where I can to get the part number for the
Brembo rotors and no luck. Do you have the part number??



Mark Craig

Diesel Performance Parts, INC.

411 Allied Drive

Nashville, TN 37211

866-455-7788 Phone

615-834-9923 Fax



www.dieselperformanceparts.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Diesel Performance Parts - Info
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:18 AM
To: 'openwheeldriver at frontiernet.net'
Subject: RE: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help



Awesome thanks!!  Any chance you have the part number??



Mark Craig

Diesel Performance Parts, INC.

411 Allied Drive

Nashville, TN 37211

866-455-7788 Phone

615-834-9923 Fax



www.dieselperformanceparts.com



-----Original Message-----

From: openwheeldriver at frontiernet.net
[mailto:openwheeldriver at frontiernet.net]

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:17 AM

To: Diesel Performance Parts - Info

Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help



yes they are a bolt on item

----- Original Message -----

From: "Diesel Performance Parts - Info" <info at dieselperformanceparts.com>

To: <openwheeldriver at frontiernet.net>

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 11:11 AM

Subject: RE: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help





Ok great are the stock in that they fit the stock GT6 spindle and caliper

etc. Just a bolt on deal??



Mark Craig

Diesel Performance Parts, INC.

411 Allied Drive

Nashville, TN 37211

866-455-7788 Phone

615-834-9923 Fax



www.dieselperformanceparts.com

-----Original Message-----

From: openwheeldriver at frontiernet.net

[mailto:openwheeldriver at frontiernet.net]

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:06 AM

To: Diesel Performance Parts - Info

Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help



Hi Mark I use Brembo rotors on My GT6R Le Mans Clone run in Group #3  w/

911's alot on Watkins Glen

high speed heavy braking  goes thru a set of hawk pads in a weekend best

rotors I've used so far

Mark

British Racing Group

----- Original Message -----

From: "Diesel Performance Parts - Info" <info at dieselperformanceparts.com>

To: <fot at autox.team.net>

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:35 AM

Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help





> Hey Listers,

>

> What's the best source for GT6 rotors for a racing Spitfire. I know of all

> the

> normal outlets for pats, but am concerned that I get the best quality for

> the

> purpose of racing. I plan to cyro the rotors and would really like some

> that

> are slotted if anyone knows of them somewhere. As always thanks!!

>

> Mark Craig

> 615-347-0260


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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Mar  8 09:14:14 2011
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 08:14:14 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
Message-ID: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>

FOT,

Now that we're 90 days from our big event,

Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna  
Seca June 7&8 and what car are you running?

Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble  
downloading and printing the entry form posted HERE: http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm

Roll call, please.

~Steve


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Mar  8 09:34:50 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 10:34:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20110308163455.ECF5B18763E@autox.team.net>

Tony Drews, TR-4 #95

At 10:14 AM 3/8/2011, Steven Belfer wrote:
>FOT,
>
>Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
>Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna
>Seca June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
>Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble
>downloading and printing the entry form posted HERE: 
>http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
>Roll call, please.
>
>~Steve


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Mar  8 09:42:54 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 08:42:54 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E6592D9CBE2E4666A7103CA3D6778844@Charly>

I'm planning on attending and bringing my TR6.  I'm a little confused, 
someone from the list asked the same information last week, I think on 
Saturday.  I sent the same info to that person and I don't remember who it 
was, maybe Paul Smock
I asked for a bio info sheet and stated I already had hotel reservations.
Who is the person that we need to co-ordinate with?
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call


> FOT,
>
> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna  Seca 
> June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble  downloading 
> and printing the entry form posted HERE: 
> http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
> Roll call, please.
>
> ~Steve
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue Mar  8 09:52:59 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 06:52:59 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <80B8A2DD-671E-4146-B0E8-E61213DEDCEB@bnj.com>

I'll be there, with Peyote.

On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:14 AM, Steven Belfer wrote:

> FOT,
>
> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna Seca
June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble downloading and
printing the entry form posted HERE:
http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
> Roll call, please.
>
> ~Steve
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Mar  8 10:03:44 2011
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 09:03:44 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <E6592D9CBE2E4666A7103CA3D6778844@Charly>
References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
	<E6592D9CBE2E4666A7103CA3D6778844@Charly>
Message-ID: <9AFE06A7-D319-48F4-9D41-A06577771449@earthlink.net>

Sorry for the confusion.  Entrants are contacting paul directly with  
photos & bios.  I just wanted to start another email thread for all to  
see, another way to build momentum for the event.

I'll be there too.   Triumph TR3B

~Steve



On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote:

I'm planning on attending and bringing my TR6.  I'm a little confused,  
someone from the list asked the same information last week, I think on  
Saturday.  I sent the same info to that person and I don't remember  
who it was, maybe Paul Smock
I asked for a bio info sheet and stated I already had hotel  
reservations.
Who is the person that we need to co-ordinate with?
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44



----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net 
 >
To: "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call


> FOT,
>
> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna   
> Seca June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble   
> downloading and printing the entry form posted HERE: http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
> Roll call, please.
>
> ~Steve
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From haretoday at comcast.net  Tue Mar  8 10:41:09 2011
From: haretoday at comcast.net (haretoday at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:41:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <E6592D9CBE2E4666A7103CA3D6778844@Charly>
Message-ID: <1935453829.1469501.1299606069930.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hi Steven



I also am attending.B  I sent my entry form and $$ on 2-25-2011.B 
Reservations also have been made.

B #85

1963 Spit.B  F or G production

Yellow/black checkerboard

A longtime S.F. region car.B  Now 5 years with SOVREN and occasionaly with
HMSA.

If more of a bio is needed please let me know.



Thanks ALL for taking this on.B  I certainly enjoyed the Portland K Kup!

Steve Hare
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charly Mitchel" <charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
To: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>, "friends of triumph"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:42:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call

I'm planning on attending and bringing my TR6. B I'm a little confused,
someone from the list asked the same information last week, I think on
Saturday. B I sent the same info to that person and I don't remember who it
was, maybe Paul Smock
I asked for a bio info sheet and stated I already had hotel reservations.
Who is the person that we need to co-ordinate with?
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44



----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call


> FOT,
>
> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna B Seca
> June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble B downloading
> and printing the entry form posted HERE:
> http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
> Roll call, please.
>
> ~Steve
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From jfrymark at aol.com  Tue Mar  8 13:05:00 2011
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 12:05:00 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Roll Call
Message-ID: <D2DD92A9-DEC2-4679-B016-C48D708B3D9D@aol.com>

Of course I'm in. I'll probably enter the British Extravaganza at  
Buttonwillow too. Get all my racing in one week!

John Frymark


From gasket.works at gte.net  Tue Mar  8 13:32:33 2011
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 20:32:33 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <9AFE06A7-D319-48F4-9D41-A06577771449@earthlink.net>
References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net><E6592D9CBE2E4666A7103CA3D6778844@Charly><9AFE06A7-D319-48F4-9D41-A06577771449@earthlink.net>
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Wouldn"t miss this event. Perhaps bring two cars. As well as a  Buttonwillow warm up.

Mordy


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-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 09:03:44 
To: Charly Mitchel<charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
Cc: friends of triumph<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call

Sorry for the confusion.  Entrants are contacting paul directly with  
photos & bios.  I just wanted to start another email thread for all to  
see, another way to build momentum for the event.

I'll be there too.   Triumph TR3B

~Steve



On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote:

I'm planning on attending and bringing my TR6.  I'm a little confused,  
someone from the list asked the same information last week, I think on  
Saturday.  I sent the same info to that person and I don't remember  
who it was, maybe Paul Smock
I asked for a bio info sheet and stated I already had hotel  
reservations.
Who is the person that we need to co-ordinate with?
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44



----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net 
 >
To: "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call


> FOT,
>
> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna   
> Seca June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble   
> downloading and printing the entry form posted HERE: http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
> Roll call, please.
>
> ~Steve
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From John.Reed at wilson.com  Tue Mar  8 14:06:23 2011
From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:06:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <1293962580-1299616353-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1469359659-@bda712.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <C99BF66F.716F%John.Reed@wilson.com>

Mordy,
Are you looking for someone to drive your second car, I mean you can't drive
two cars at once, and would love to help you out... nudge nudge

     John
Zippy Racing



On 3/8/11 2:32 PM, "gasket.works at gte.net" <gasket.works at gte.net> wrote:

Wouldn"t miss this event. Perhaps bring two cars. As well as a  Buttonwillow
warm up.

Mordy


Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 09:03:44
To: Charly Mitchel<charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
Cc: friends of triumph<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call

Sorry for the confusion.  Entrants are contacting paul directly with
photos & bios.  I just wanted to start another email thread for all to
see, another way to build momentum for the event.

I'll be there too.   Triumph TR3B

~Steve



On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote:

I'm planning on attending and bringing my TR6.  I'm a little confused,
someone from the list asked the same information last week, I think on
Saturday.  I sent the same info to that person and I don't remember
who it was, maybe Paul Smock
I asked for a bio info sheet and stated I already had hotel
reservations.
Who is the person that we need to co-ordinate with?
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44



----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net
 >
To: "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call


> FOT,
>
> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna
> Seca June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble
> downloading and printing the entry form posted HERE:
http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
> Roll call, please.
>
> ~Steve
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Tue Mar  8 14:59:11 2011
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 13:59:11 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
Message-ID: <13441201.1299621551670.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Racers,  I am glad to hear that most of you are going to run our VARA event the weekend before.  The B.E. is always a great event with lots of track time for a low entry fee.  If you have a questions feel free to ask me I am the co chairman for the event.  Also Joe Alexander is working with the boys back East.  thanks Joe Siam


-----Original Message-----
>From: gasket.works at gte.net
>Sent: Mar 8, 2011 12:32 PM
>To: 
>Cc: friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
>
>Wouldn"t miss this event. Perhaps bring two cars. As well as a  Buttonwillow warm up.
>
>Mordy
>
>
>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
>Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
>Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 09:03:44 
>To: Charly Mitchel<charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
>Cc: friends of triumph<fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
>
>Sorry for the confusion.  Entrants are contacting paul directly with  
>photos & bios.  I just wanted to start another email thread for all to  
>see, another way to build momentum for the event.
>
>I'll be there too.   Triumph TR3B
>
>~Steve
>
>
>
>On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote:
>
>I'm planning on attending and bringing my TR6.  I'm a little confused,  
>someone from the list asked the same information last week, I think on  
>Saturday.  I sent the same info to that person and I don't remember  
>who it was, maybe Paul Smock
>I asked for a bio info sheet and stated I already had hotel  
>reservations.
>Who is the person that we need to co-ordinate with?
>Charly Mitchel
>TR6 #44
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net 
> >
>To: "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 AM
>Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
>
>
>> FOT,
>>
>> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>>
>> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna   
>> Seca June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>>
>> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble   
>> downloading and printing the entry form posted HERE: http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>>
>> Roll call, please.
>>
>> ~Steve
>> _______________________________________________
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Tue Mar  8 15:48:49 2011
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:48:49 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <C99BF66F.716F%John.Reed@wilson.com>
References: <1293962580-1299616353-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1469359659-@bda712.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><C99BF66F.716F%John.Reed@wilson.com>
Message-ID: <1955874349-1299624530-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2068657280-@bda712.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Interesting idea.  Let me think about it...
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: "Reed, John" <John.Reed at wilson.com>
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 15:06:23 
To: gasket.works at gte.net<gasket.works at gte.net>
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph'<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call

Mordy,
Are you looking for someone to drive your second car, I mean you can't drive two cars at once, and would love to help you out... nudge nudge

     John
Zippy Racing



On 3/8/11 2:32 PM, "gasket.works at gte.net" <gasket.works at gte.net> wrote:

Wouldn"t miss this event. Perhaps bring two cars. As well as a  Buttonwillow warm up.

Mordy


Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 09:03:44
To: Charly Mitchel<charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
Cc: friends of triumph<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call

Sorry for the confusion.  Entrants are contacting paul directly with
photos & bios.  I just wanted to start another email thread for all to
see, another way to build momentum for the event.

I'll be there too.   Triumph TR3B

~Steve



On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote:

I'm planning on attending and bringing my TR6.  I'm a little confused,
someone from the list asked the same information last week, I think on
Saturday.  I sent the same info to that person and I don't remember
who it was, maybe Paul Smock
I asked for a bio info sheet and stated I already had hotel
reservations.
Who is the person that we need to co-ordinate with?
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44



----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net
 >
To: "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call


> FOT,
>
> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna
> Seca June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble
> downloading and printing the entry form posted HERE: http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
> Roll call, please.
>
> ~Steve
> _______________________________________________
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From kaenel at pacbell.net  Tue Mar  8 19:21:22 2011
From: kaenel at pacbell.net (Preston Kaenel)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:21:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <661358.86876.qm@web180009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Preston Kaenel 1959 TR3A #46

Called in my entry on Friday and they said only 3-4 entries so far.




________________________________
From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 8:14:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call

FOT,

Now that we're 90 days from our big event,

Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna Seca June 
7&8 and what car are you running?

Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble downloading and 
printing the entry form posted HERE: 
http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm

Roll call, please.

~Steve
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Mar  8 21:41:11 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 22:41:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <661358.86876.qm@web180009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
	<661358.86876.qm@web180009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20110309044121.921E8187656@autox.team.net>

I've not sent my entry to HMSA yet but will in the next week.  I'm 
also looking at doing some portion of the Buttonwillow event the 
weekend before - details on where to look for info about that event 
would be helpful.

Tony Drews

At 08:21 PM 3/8/2011, Preston Kaenel wrote:
>Preston Kaenel 1959 TR3A #46
>
>Called in my entry on Friday and they said only 3-4 entries so far.
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
>To: friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 8:14:14 AM
>Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
>
>FOT,
>
>Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
>Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna Seca June
>7&8 and what car are you running?
>
>Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble downloading and
>printing the entry form posted HERE:
>http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
>Roll call, please.
>
>~Steve
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  8 23:48:58 2011
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:48:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
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Message-ID: <254306.71024.qm@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Mike Mehl #46 62 TR4
 from Vancouver Washington is planning on attending.  I
am keeping my fingers 
crossed that engine # 3 holds together.   As far as
lodging.  I will be slepping 
in a tent or Jeff Quick's race car trailer.  You
know 3 engines in three races 
adds up.

Mike
________________________________
From: Steven Belfer
<colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Tue, March 8, 2011 8:14:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call

FOT,
Now that we're 90 days from our big event,

Who's planning on attending the
K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna Seca June 
7&8 and what car are you
running?

Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble
downloading and 
printing the entry form posted HERE:
http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm

Roll call, please.

~Steve
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Thu Mar 10 05:09:10 2011
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 06:09:10 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Paging Steve Belfer
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2yYfC=ep0nfSuTRJzD1MgBdTqcH9aLmGfOVAg@mail.gmail.com>

FOT,

Please excuse the interruption.

Steve,

Would you please contact me off list?

Thanks,

Irv Korey


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Mar 10 12:00:16 2011
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:00:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Type A OD, either 22% or 28% (AH)
Message-ID: <000301cbdf55$666af190$3340d4b0$@com>

Our OD on the TR4 race car got pretty well destroyed at the last race in
September.  The uni-directional clutch disintegrated and pretty well wiped
out the annulus, planet carrier, sun gear and main shaft.  It is a 22/1374
unit.  I'm looking for another unit to rebuild and put on the car.  We have
a 4.3 diff so the OD is pretty much needed on the long straights.  A 28% OD,
such as a 28/1447, which was used on the big Healy's I think, would be an
improvement.  I think a 22/1753 as used on the TR4A would also work.  We
currently have a TR3 transmission plus one spare TR3 transmission and a
spare TR4 transmission.

 

I didn't think the damage would be that extensive or I'd have started this
project sooner!  I've since learned that the uni-directional clutch (UDC)
provides the driving torque from the main shaft to the UDC spline and
rollers to the UDC outer race in the annulus output shaft.  Apparently the
cone clutch does not have enough torque to maintain the sun gear stationary
on the brake plate in direct drive.

 

I can get replacement used parts from John Esposito at Quantumechanics, when
they become available, but would still like to have a spare unit to rebuild
and have on hand.  Something tells me this will not be the last time this
happens!!  Plus if I can find a unit we may not have to miss any races this
year.

 

Thanks for any info and advice you can give, always appreciated and always
trying to learn moreJ

 

Tim Murphy

1961 TR4 #317


From igofaster at att.net  Thu Mar 10 14:54:40 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:54:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake bias question..
Message-ID: <839631.77690.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

My brakes on my 71 TR6 are totally done. I found a new old stock brass bias 
differential brake junction unit. It leaks like the old one did... the large 
bolt at the end.. Am I missing something simple?   dang it ... I can't find a 
new one with Rimmer, Vicky Britt, or Moss...
What is the cool upgrade without going full race on this setup?

Bobby Whitehead


From billb at bnj.com  Thu Mar 10 15:00:49 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:00:49 -1000
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake bias question..
In-Reply-To: <839631.77690.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <839631.77690.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4DAC27C1-700E-40AA-B8E1-7B33DB6B0B9C@bnj.com>

In the past I've just used two simple junctions with a residual pressure valve
for the disk brakes: A T for the front/rear junctions with the residual
pressure valve inline for the line leading to the front brakes, and then a T
for the right/left front brakes. Make up all the connections with aircraft
style flares and it won't leak after you take them on and off a few times like
the bubble or reverse taper ones do.

On Mar 10, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote:

> My brakes on my 71 TR6 are totally done. I found a new old stock brass bias
> differential brake junction unit. It leaks like the old one did... the large
> bolt at the end.. Am I missing something simple?   dang it ... I can't find
a
> new one with Rimmer, Vicky Britt, or Moss...
> What is the cool upgrade without going full race on this setup?
>
> Bobby Whitehead
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Thu Mar 10 15:01:49 2011
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:01:49 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake bias question..
In-Reply-To: <839631.77690.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <839631.77690.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=pc8q0T+pRnab3HEFzNUYMGPBa-2wnsfSSbFDA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net> wrote:

> My brakes on my 71 TR6 are totally done. I found a new old stock brass bias
> differential brake junction unit. It leaks like the old one did... the
> large
> bolt at the end.. Am I missing something simple?   dang it ... I can't find
> a
> new one with Rimmer, Vicky Britt, or Moss...
> What is the cool upgrade without going full race on this setup?
>

Bobby,

Follow the link to a great step by step instruction on rebuilding the PDWA.
It's not difficult.


http://www.74tr6.com/pdwa.htm

Irv Korey


From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Thu Mar 10 20:06:18 2011
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:06:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Video on Vintage race crashes.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.75.1299333979.23293.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.75.1299333979.23293.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4D7991AA.2000507@twcny.rr.com>

The first start reminds me of the start of this excellent book out now: 
"Go Like Hell" which starts with the story lead in to this spectacular 
crash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAV2RnR5lOQ&feature=fvwrel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwDC5VEUXUw&feature=related - this one 
has some great triumph shots including digging one out...

Cannot recommend this book enough - story of Ferrari, racing history as 
it leads up to the Ferrari/Ford wars of the mid 60s at Le Mans, seat 
belts, Shelby its all covered in the context of the auto market of the 
mid 60s. It was so good that I finished it on a trip and started it over 
just to kill time. I read it all the way through twice in a row...

Cheers,

M


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Mar 11 06:46:18 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:46:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Remembering Fred Thomas
Message-ID: <8CDAE09D53F12D0-125C-B7D4@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com>

 Although he wasnt on the list at the end, and he didnt race his Triumphs,
Fred Thomas was one of us.

He was on the FOT list for awhile, and joined us in the paddock when he could.
He celebrated his 70th birthday with us at VIR a few years ago.

If you knew him, no more needs to be said.

R.I.P.


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Mar 11 08:55:37 2011
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:55:37 EST
Subject: [Fot] Fred Thomas    Virginia International Raceway   April
Message-ID: <15c07.7bca4e66.3aab9ff9@cs.com>

It would be nice to take a moment at VIR, when we gather there in April, to 
remember  Fred Thomas.  

I will try to remember bring a picture of him at VIR when I was there last.

A real Triumph character.......

Joe A</HTML>


From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Sat Mar 12 07:38:15 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 09:38:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] New Kirkey seat for sale
Message-ID: <op.vr8ix1tfairs7i@don-pc.belkin>

For sale - new Kirkey seat for bigger boys or girls...

I have a brand new Kirkey seat with deluxe cover that's too big for me.   
It's the 18" Intermediate seat with 20 degree layback, Kirkey part number  
is 36900.   If you're a big guy you might need one like this.  Summit  
sells these, with the cover, for $240 plus shipping.  This seat has never  
been drilled or installed and the cover just came out of the box so  
they're both in perfect new shape.  I can bring it to VIR and save the  
shipping if you're going to be there next month or someone can carry it  
home for you.  Asking $200 delivered to VIR.  Contact me off line for more  
information.  Thanks, Don
--


From igofaster at att.net  Sat Mar 12 13:56:20 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:56:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 sway bars..
Message-ID: <626466.52529.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

While I'm waiting for parts to come in for brakes, I decided to install some 
Aadco sway bars I bought a few years back. The rear bar went on pretty easily, 
there are a couple of large washers on each side of the trailing arm where the 
spring sets down inside. I was able to move the long bolts and washers in from 
the bottom side of the trailing arm. With 4 washers I guess it will seat and 
hold well. The install was pretty simple.
Now, I'm on the front sway bar and I've removed the radiator and the old 
hardware and bar. These dang end links are puny to begin with. Even the mount to 
the lower A arm is bent and kind of flimsy.
So what is the cool upgrade end link and maybe beefed up attachment to the A 
arms that might actually push back and hold under cornering?
BTW.. GT6 is in the shop with British Auto in Fort Worth... I never did get it 
dialed in right with my knuckle smacking nuts and bolts knowledge...  The 
SU175's were a little lean and the fuel bowl level wasn't just exactly right. 
Compression was on the low side too around 120-130...  so, initially, I may not 
have lined up the cam just right, not knowing exactly how to do it... I did it 
the best I could by my shop manual and novice mechanic skills. It's been a 
decade since I assembled an engine, and that was mostly stock... so, I'm hoping 
it's just an alignment issue...  we'll see and I'll post soon...
All the best ....   Bobby Whitehead   


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Mar 12 20:43:15 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 22:43:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ebay Triumph racer
Message-ID: <779081.50903.qm@smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://tinyurl.com/4ott8jr
 
Dolomite sprint
 
Paul


From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Sun Mar 13 10:37:09 2011
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 12:37:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Part needed
Message-ID: <CA4731D9C6F84738B7146F95E3F2D2C1@userb38463fba5>

TR 4 thru 250, maybe 6


Does anyone have the little clamp device that clamps the actuating rod for the
scuttle vent opening and closing. I'm in need of one and it doesn't look like
the Big 3 sell them.

Gladly pay a reasonable price and shipping.

Thanks,

Jerry Van Vlack


From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Mar 14 00:34:42 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 01:34:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Front Hubs, TR-2/3/4/5/6/250
Message-ID: <20110314063446.176BD187647@autox.team.net>

I had previously solicited interest from this group for a limited run 
of Aluminum Front Hubs for the big TR's.  I have the hubs back from 
manufacturing and am ready to take orders - I believe that I have 
contacted everyone who was "on the list".  However, if you were 
waiting to hear from me that these are ready to go and didn't get a 
message from me, please contact me off-list.

Details here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Aluminum%20Hubs/AluminumFrontHubs.htm

Thanks, Tony Drews


From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 14 08:18:57 2011
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 07:18:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report
Message-ID: <944268.90054.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I honestly wasn't trying to see how many alliterative "R's" I could get into
the 
title...it just worked out that way.

Anyway, for those of you
interested, we competed in two ChumpCar 7-hour 
endurance races at "The Rock"
(road course configuration) this weekend with our 
1975 TR6 "Lacey".  There's
only one class, so we were out there with everything 
from a '64 Chevy pickup
(!) to a BMW E36, Miatas, Mustangs, Fieros, Saabs, 
Nissan Z's and a really
quick Mercedes 300.

Saturday, we had some off-course excursions and some
imperfect fuel strategy, 
ended up in 12th place -- although we were pretty
happy because the car ran well 
all day and that's the best finish we've ever
had (27 cars competed this 
weekend).

Sunday was even better, with the team
driving more consistently and fueling 
going better.  We ran top-5 most of the
day, but a late race "splash and 
go" stop dropped us to 6th at the checker. 
Still was phenominal as far as we 
were concerned since we finished ahead of a
LOT of much faster cars due to 
consistency.  For all but one of our
drivers this was either our 3rd and 4th or 
4th and 5th races ever, so we're
pretty happy right now.  


To top it all off, the team received the "Spirit
of Chump" award as the team 
that "gets" what ChumpCar is all about, drives
well and courteously, and gets 
more out of their car that anyone has a right
to expect...

Our next race is a 14 hour event at Charlotte Motor Speedway
(road course 
configuration) April 23...if anyone out there is interested in
joining us or 
forming a ChumpCar or LeMons team of their own, shoot me an
email and we'll be 
happy to help!

Jamie Palmer
Squadron Leader
RiffRAF
Racing
'75 TR6 ChumpCar


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Mar 14 08:40:45 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:40:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report
In-Reply-To: <944268.90054.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <944268.90054.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CDB06CEFB34980-12C4-32B43@webmail-d081.sysops.aol.com>

 This is VERY COOL and another facet of what we do.

 Thanks for sharing this.

ChumpCar and 24 Hours of LEMONS   has taken off.

We have two ChumpCar events in our area, coming up and I would like to
attend....time permitting.   ha!

I think John Nikas participated in a TR7 and Bob Kramer is involved with a
TR6.

JA










-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie Palmer <tr6driver at yahoo.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2011 9:18 am
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report


I honestly wasn't trying to see how many alliterative "R's" I could get into

the

title...it just worked out that way.



Anyway, for those of you

interested, we competed in two ChumpCar 7-hour

endurance races at "The Rock"

(road course configuration) this weekend with our

1975 TR6 "Lacey".  There's

only one class, so we were out there with everything

from a '64 Chevy pickup

(!) to a BMW E36, Miatas, Mustangs, Fieros, Saabs,

Nissan Z's and a really

quick Mercedes 300.



Saturday, we had some off-course excursions and some

imperfect fuel strategy,

ended up in 12th place -- although we were pretty

happy because the car ran well

all day and that's the best finish we've ever

had (27 cars competed this

weekend).



Sunday was even better, with the team

driving more consistently and fueling

going better.  We ran top-5 most of the

day, but a late race "splash and

go" stop dropped us to 6th at the checker.

Still was phenominal as far as we

were concerned since we finished ahead of a

LOT of much faster cars due to

consistency.  For all but one of our

drivers this was either our 3rd and 4th or

4th and 5th races ever, so we're

pretty happy right now.





To top it all off, the team received the "Spirit

of Chump" award as the team

that "gets" what ChumpCar is all about, drives

well and courteously, and gets

more out of their car that anyone has a right

to expect...



Our next race is a 14 hour event at Charlotte Motor Speedway

(road course

configuration) April 23...if anyone out there is interested in

joining us or

forming a ChumpCar or LeMons team of their own, shoot me an

email and we'll be

happy to help!



Jamie Palmer

Squadron Leader

RiffRAF

Racing

'75 TR6 ChumpCar

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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Mar 14 09:27:42 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:27:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report
In-Reply-To: <8CDB06CEFB34980-12C4-32B43@webmail-d081.sysops.aol.com>
References: <944268.90054.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<8CDB06CEFB34980-12C4-32B43@webmail-d081.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A2E0ADCE88C@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

We have our crap can TR6 Lemon's car on the lift getting prepped for the April
23/24 Lemon's race at Eagles Canyon in Decatur TX. The track is about an hour
NW of Fort Worth, not that far from the Oklahoma border. We have a team of 6
drivers and 3 crew so far, but we can handle more if anyone wants to join us.

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson





-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 9:41 AM
To: tr6driver at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report

 This is VERY COOL and another facet of what we do.

 Thanks for sharing this.

ChumpCar and 24 Hours of LEMONS   has taken off.

We have two ChumpCar events in our area, coming up and I would like to
attend....time permitting.   ha!

I think John Nikas participated in a TR7 and Bob Kramer is involved with a
TR6.

JA










-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie Palmer <tr6driver at yahoo.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2011 9:18 am
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report


I honestly wasn't trying to see how many alliterative "R's" I could get into

the

title...it just worked out that way.



Anyway, for those of you

interested, we competed in two ChumpCar 7-hour

endurance races at "The Rock"

(road course configuration) this weekend with our

1975 TR6 "Lacey".  There's

only one class, so we were out there with everything

from a '64 Chevy pickup

(!) to a BMW E36, Miatas, Mustangs, Fieros, Saabs,

Nissan Z's and a really

quick Mercedes 300.



Saturday, we had some off-course excursions and some

imperfect fuel strategy,

ended up in 12th place -- although we were pretty

happy because the car ran well

all day and that's the best finish we've ever

had (27 cars competed this

weekend).



Sunday was even better, with the team

driving more consistently and fueling

going better.  We ran top-5 most of the

day, but a late race "splash and

go" stop dropped us to 6th at the checker.

Still was phenominal as far as we

were concerned since we finished ahead of a

LOT of much faster cars due to

consistency.  For all but one of our

drivers this was either our 3rd and 4th or

4th and 5th races ever, so we're

pretty happy right now.





To top it all off, the team received the "Spirit

of Chump" award as the team

that "gets" what ChumpCar is all about, drives

well and courteously, and gets

more out of their car that anyone has a right

to expect...



Our next race is a 14 hour event at Charlotte Motor Speedway

(road course

configuration) April 23...if anyone out there is interested in

joining us or

forming a ChumpCar or LeMons team of their own, shoot me an

email and we'll be

happy to help!



Jamie Palmer

Squadron Leader

RiffRAF

Racing

'75 TR6 ChumpCar

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fot at autox.team.net



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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 14 10:46:00 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:46:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fred Thomas Decal
In-Reply-To: <8CDAF09EE71A041-E298-19964@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CDAF09EE71A041-E298-19964@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU160-w29860A5BF9C4F818843527BACC0@phx.gbl>

The subject of a decal honoring Fred Thomas was proposed last week.  After
some initial dialog we WILL be proceeding with this project.  The design and
details are in the initial stages but the intent is to have a 3 inch decal
offered to who ever wants one at a minimal cost to pay for the manufacturing
and mailing of the decals.  This will not be a for profit enterprise.  I am
NOT taking orders yet. Lots of details to be worked out before that point. I
will post updates on the project as we go forward so be patient with me:) .

Thanks,
Marty Sukey


From rodkent at cox.net  Mon Mar 14 11:11:19 2011
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:11:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT-6 & Spitfire Parts
Message-ID: <20110314131119.Q1BF7.47616.imail@fed1rmwml34>

Hello, due to the acquisition of another vintage racer I am going to have to abandon by GT-6 build that I had begun. A dear freind of mine passed away last year and when his son decided to sell his dad's Lotus 7, I had to buy it for sentimental reasons more than anything else. Plus we still campaign my TR-6 in selected events, plus my 33 highboy, project, plus the chopper, plus the Datsun 2000 project, you get the picture. Anyway I had started accumulating engine parts, wheels, etc. I need to sell off. Things I need to unload are:
2 Jerry Barker prepped cranks, nitrided, ground to use Honda rod bearings, x-drilled, etc.
1 Set Pauter rods for same
1 Set Arias pistons to be used with this combination
1 SA9 Crank, ground on new cam blank
4 New Pansports 6 x 13  4 3/8 backspacing (minimum scrub radius)
Fiberglass bonnet for gt-6 
Not a Vintage part, but I also have a Schwitter gearbox for any serious production car
This engine configuration is as described in Mr Kastner's latest book when describing Chuck's build.
Email me with any questions.
thanks, rod


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Mar 14 11:13:11 2011
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:13:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] GT-6 & Spitfire Parts
Message-ID: <39437.14f46903.3aafa6a7@aol.com>

Have you set any prices yet?
 
 
In a message dated 3/14/2011 10:11:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
rodkent at cox.net writes:

Hello,  due to the acquisition of another vintage racer I am going to have 
to abandon  by GT-6 build that I had begun. A dear freind of mine passed 
away last year  and when his son decided to sell his dad's Lotus 7, I had to 
buy it for  sentimental reasons more than anything else. Plus we still 
campaign my TR-6 in  selected events, plus my 33 highboy, project, plus the 
chopper, plus the  Datsun 2000 project, you get the picture. Anyway I had started 
accumulating  engine parts, wheels, etc. I need to sell off. Things I need to 
unload  are:
2 Jerry Barker prepped cranks, nitrided, ground to use Honda rod  bearings, 
x-drilled, etc.
1 Set Pauter rods for same
1 Set Arias pistons  to be used with this combination
1 SA9 Crank, ground on new cam blank
4  New Pansports 6 x 13  4 3/8 backspacing (minimum scrub  radius)
Fiberglass bonnet for gt-6 
Not a Vintage part, but I also have  a Schwitter gearbox for any serious 
production car
This engine  configuration is as described in Mr Kastner's latest book when 
describing  Chuck's build.
Email me with any questions.
thanks,  rod
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Mar 14 11:46:31 2011
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:46:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report
In-Reply-To: <944268.90054.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <944268.90054.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Sounds like great fun!  And I like that "Spirit of Chump" award.  Congrats
on winning it and a good result.

Tim Murphy
1961 TR4 #317

And Happy St. Patrick's Day, 3/17/2011 to all!!

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jamie Palmer
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 9:19 AM
To: Friends of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report

I honestly wasn't trying to see how many alliterative "R's" I could get into
the 
title...it just worked out that way.

Anyway, for those of you
interested, we competed in two ChumpCar 7-hour 
endurance races at "The Rock"
(road course configuration) this weekend with our 
1975 TR6 "Lacey".  There's
only one class, so we were out there with everything 
from a '64 Chevy pickup
(!) to a BMW E36, Miatas, Mustangs, Fieros, Saabs, 
Nissan Z's and a really
quick Mercedes 300.

Saturday, we had some off-course excursions and some
imperfect fuel strategy, 
ended up in 12th place -- although we were pretty
happy because the car ran well 
all day and that's the best finish we've ever
had (27 cars competed this 
weekend).

Sunday was even better, with the team
driving more consistently and fueling 
going better.  We ran top-5 most of the
day, but a late race "splash and 
go" stop dropped us to 6th at the checker. 
Still was phenominal as far as we 
were concerned since we finished ahead of a
LOT of much faster cars due to 
consistency.  For all but one of our
drivers this was either our 3rd and 4th or 
4th and 5th races ever, so we're
pretty happy right now.  


To top it all off, the team received the "Spirit
of Chump" award as the team 
that "gets" what ChumpCar is all about, drives
well and courteously, and gets 
more out of their car that anyone has a right
to expect...

Our next race is a 14 hour event at Charlotte Motor Speedway
(road course 
configuration) April 23...if anyone out there is interested in
joining us or 
forming a ChumpCar or LeMons team of their own, shoot me an
email and we'll be 
happy to help!

Jamie Palmer
Squadron Leader
RiffRAF
Racing
'75 TR6 ChumpCar
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From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 14 14:57:14 2011
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:57:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report
In-Reply-To: <8CDB06CEFB34980-12C4-32B43@webmail-d081.sysops.aol.com>
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	<8CDB06CEFB34980-12C4-32B43@webmail-d081.sysops.aol.com>
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Got a lot of kind words today from the FOT list...thanks again for welcoming
us!

Jamie




________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com"
<n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: tr6driver at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, March
14, 2011 10:40:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report
This is VERY COOL and another facet of what we do.   

 Thanks for sharing
this.

ChumpCar and 24 Hours of LEMONS   has taken off.

We have two ChumpCar
events in our area, coming up and I would like to 
attend....time
permitting.   ha!

I think John Nikas participated in a TR7 and Bob Kramer is
involved with a TR6. 

JA






-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie Palmer
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To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon,
Mar 14, 2011 9:18 am
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report


I
honestly wasn't trying to see how many alliterative "R's" I could get into
the 
  title...it just worked out that way.
  
  Anyway, for those of you
interested, we competed in two ChumpCar 7-hour 
  endurance races at "The
Rock"
  (road course configuration) this weekend with our 
  1975 TR6 "Lacey".
There's
  only one class, so we were out there with everything 
  from a '64
Chevy pickup
  (!) to a BMW E36, Miatas, Mustangs, Fieros, Saabs, 
  Nissan
Z's and a really
  quick Mercedes 300.
  
  Saturday, we had some off-course
excursions and some
  imperfect fuel strategy, 
  ended up in 12th place --
although we were pretty
  happy because the car ran well 
  all day and that's
the best finish we've ever
  had (27 cars competed this 
  weekend).
Sunday was even better, with the team
  driving more consistently and fueling
going better.  We ran top-5 most of the
  day, but a late race "splash and
go" stop dropped us to 6th at the checker. 
  Still was phenominal as far as
we 
  were concerned since we finished ahead of a
  LOT of much faster cars
due to 
  consistency.  For all but one of our
  drivers this was either our
3rd and 4th or 
  4th and 5th races ever, so we're
  pretty happy right now.
To top it all off, the team received the "Spirit
  of Chump" award as the team
that "gets" what ChumpCar is all about, drives
  well and courteously, and
gets 
  more out of their car that anyone has a right
  to expect...
  
  Our
next race is a 14 hour event at Charlotte Motor Speedway
  (road course
configuration) April 23...if anyone out there is interested in
  joining us or
forming a ChumpCar or LeMons team of their own, shoot me an
  email and we'll
be 
  happy to help!
  
  Jamie Palmer
  Squadron Leader
  RiffRAF
  Racing
'75 TR6 ChumpCar
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From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Mon Mar 14 21:08:08 2011
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:08:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues
Message-ID: <002001cbe2be$36263b90$a272b2b0$@rr.com>

First off let me thank the folks that provided good feedback to my question
regarding the car not wanting to rev.  I am in the diagnostic phase and this
is what I have found so far:

 

As a recap, I am running the Mallory dual point.  Fresh points, rotor,
condenser (grounded), and cap.

The total dwell at 1100 rpm it is 40 and at 3500+ rpm it is 45. I assume
that dwell should not change over the rpm range and this condition is
indicative that something is wrong. I removed the cap and rotor and I can
move the top of the shaft far enough back and forth (side to side) to cause
the points to open and close. This distributor has 6 race weekends on it. 

Could the shaft have already worn the bushings? I've read that Mallory will
not sell you replacement bushing or bearings as they want to rebuild the
unit.  Are there any alternative suggestions? 

Do you guys leave the felt rubbing block in place on the points?  I have
them in place now, but I don't remember seeing a Lucas point set that uses
felt pads like that.  Maybe they are a good thing.

Thanks in advance,

Greg


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Mar 14 21:32:58 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:32:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues
References: <002001cbe2be$36263b90$a272b2b0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <76A3E7296EC6404697292EAE981FA188@Bud>

If you mean that the shaft is wobbly...it should not be..RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:08 PM
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues


> First off let me thank the folks that provided good feedback to my 
> question
> regarding the car not wanting to rev.  I am in the diagnostic phase and 
> this
> is what I have found so far:
>
>
>
> As a recap, I am running the Mallory dual point.  Fresh points, rotor,
> condenser (grounded), and cap.
>
> The total dwell at 1100 rpm it is 40 and at 3500+ rpm it is 45. I assume
> that dwell should not change over the rpm range and this condition is
> indicative that something is wrong. I removed the cap and rotor and I can
> move the top of the shaft far enough back and forth (side to side) to 
> cause
> the points to open and close. This distributor has 6 race weekends on it.
>
> Could the shaft have already worn the bushings? I've read that Mallory 
> will
> not sell you replacement bushing or bearings as they want to rebuild the
> unit.  Are there any alternative suggestions?
>
> Do you guys leave the felt rubbing block in place on the points?  I have
> them in place now, but I don't remember seeing a Lucas point set that uses
> felt pads like that.  Maybe they are a good thing.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Greg
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From jibjib at att.net  Mon Mar 14 21:44:00 2011
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:44:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues
In-Reply-To: <76A3E7296EC6404697292EAE981FA188@Bud>
References: <002001cbe2be$36263b90$a272b2b0$@rr.com>
	<76A3E7296EC6404697292EAE981FA188@Bud>
Message-ID: <83778BAAC1B0487585F2FAD72D0B0041@EntCent>

And yes, the felt pads, with a drop of oil on them, will keep the wear on
the point blocks (that rides on the cam) from wearing as fast.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of RACER BUD
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:33 PM
To: Greg & Alison Blake; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignition issues

If you mean that the shaft is wobbly...it should not be..RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:08 PM
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues


> First off let me thank the folks that provided good feedback to my 
> question
> regarding the car not wanting to rev.  I am in the diagnostic phase and 
> this
> is what I have found so far:
>
>
>
> As a recap, I am running the Mallory dual point.  Fresh points, rotor,
> condenser (grounded), and cap.
>
> The total dwell at 1100 rpm it is 40 and at 3500+ rpm it is 45. I assume
> that dwell should not change over the rpm range and this condition is
> indicative that something is wrong. I removed the cap and rotor and I can
> move the top of the shaft far enough back and forth (side to side) to 
> cause
> the points to open and close. This distributor has 6 race weekends on it.
>
> Could the shaft have already worn the bushings? I've read that Mallory 
> will
> not sell you replacement bushing or bearings as they want to rebuild the
> unit.  Are there any alternative suggestions?
>
> Do you guys leave the felt rubbing block in place on the points?  I have
> them in place now, but I don't remember seeing a Lucas point set that uses
> felt pads like that.  Maybe they are a good thing.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Greg
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From VANDECARR at aol.com  Tue Mar 15 05:36:55 2011
From: VANDECARR at aol.com (VANDECARR at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:36:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
Message-ID: <6576a.756b57d1.3ab0a957@aol.com>

I've noticed most of the vintage racers use SUs instead of Strombergs.   On 
my TR 6 I had the webers but I'm now driving a Lola with a Lotus twin cam. 
It has the Stromberg head and the Weber heads are just not available or 
stupid expensive.   I adapted the Weber 45 MCHH carbs and they work OK but can't 
take the G forces and are constantly spilling gas.   After many 
modifications and 2 fires at the last event in Georgia I've decided to trash them.   I 
have a set of Strombergs and SUs   I can rebuild, which would be best?

Dean VanDeCarr
TR 6 autocross
More TR6 street cars than my wife allows
1970 Lola T200


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Mar 15 10:18:25 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:18:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
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Message-ID: <20110315161838.39BF2187656@autox.team.net>

On the 1.75" carbs, the strombergs have a shallower float bowl, and 
the floats aren't oriented optimally.  On the SU's, the float bowls 
are deeper and you can orient the float pivots toward the front and 
rear of the car.  The strombergs, when mounted on the right hand side 
of the engine will have issues in heavy cornering left hand turns - I 
think they went rich, but it's been a while.  Car would fall flat on 
its face for a second until the carbs recovered.  Very 
frustrating.  Based on that experience, I'd recommend the SU's.

- Tony Drews

At 06:36 AM 3/15/2011, VANDECARR at aol.com wrote:
>I've noticed most of the vintage racers use SUs instead of Strombergs.   On
>my TR 6 I had the webers but I'm now driving a Lola with a Lotus twin cam.
>It has the Stromberg head and the Weber heads are just not available or
>stupid expensive.   I adapted the Weber 45 MCHH carbs and they work 
>OK but can't
>take the G forces and are constantly spilling gas.   After many
>modifications and 2 fires at the last event in Georgia I've decided 
>to trash them.   I
>have a set of Strombergs and SUs   I can rebuild, which would be best?
>
>Dean VanDeCarr
>TR 6 autocross
>More TR6 street cars than my wife allows
>1970 Lola T200
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From rodkent at cox.net  Tue Mar 15 11:15:06 2011
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:15:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <20110315161838.39BF2187656@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39>

This will be a fun one to watch, I personally like the TR-4 type strongbergs the best. That's what I used on my SCCA national 6 for years before the webers were legal, never missed a beat. I think they are both good, but the friends I had running SU's seem to have to fiddle more. I think it's just personal preference. Good luck........rod
---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote: 
On the 1.75" carbs, the strombergs have a shallower float bowl, and 
the floats aren't oriented optimally.  On the SU's, the float bowls 
are deeper and you can orient the float pivots toward the front and 
rear of the car.  The strombergs, when mounted on the right hand side 
of the engine will have issues in heavy cornering left hand turns - I 
think they went rich, but it's been a while.  Car would fall flat on 
its face for a second until the carbs recovered.  Very 
frustrating.  Based on that experience, I'd recommend the SU's.

- Tony Drews

At 06:36 AM 3/15/2011, VANDECARR at aol.com wrote:
>I've noticed most of the vintage racers use SUs instead of Strombergs.   On
>my TR 6 I had the webers but I'm now driving a Lola with a Lotus twin cam.
>It has the Stromberg head and the Weber heads are just not available or
>stupid expensive.   I adapted the Weber 45 MCHH carbs and they work 
>OK but can't
>take the G forces and are constantly spilling gas.   After many
>modifications and 2 fires at the last event in Georgia I've decided 
>to trash them.   I
>have a set of Strombergs and SUs   I can rebuild, which would be best?
>
>Dean VanDeCarr
>TR 6 autocross
>More TR6 street cars than my wife allows
>1970 Lola T200
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Tue Mar 15 12:03:19 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:03:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
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The 1.75 SU's on my TR3A stutter coming out of the slow, tight right-hander
at Kershaw, but did not coming out of turn 7 at Road Atlanta.  Go figure?

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Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg


This will be a fun one to watch, I personally like the TR-4 type strongbergs
the best. That's what I used on my SCCA national 6 for years before the
webers were legal, never missed a beat. I think they are both good, but the
friends I had running SU's seem to have to fiddle more. I think it's just
personal preference. Good luck........rod
---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
On the 1.75" carbs, the strombergs have a shallower float bowl, and
the floats aren't oriented optimally.  On the SU's, the float bowls
are deeper and you can orient the float pivots toward the front and
rear of the car.  The strombergs, when mounted on the right hand side
of the engine will have issues in heavy cornering left hand turns - I
think they went rich, but it's been a while.  Car would fall flat on
its face for a second until the carbs recovered.  Very
frustrating.  Based on that experience, I'd recommend the SU's.

- Tony Drews

At 06:36 AM 3/15/2011, VANDECARR at aol.com wrote:
>I've noticed most of the vintage racers use SUs instead of Strombergs.   On
>my TR 6 I had the webers but I'm now driving a Lola with a Lotus twin
>cam. It has the Stromberg head and the Weber heads are just not available
or
>stupid expensive.   I adapted the Weber 45 MCHH carbs and they work
>OK but can't
>take the G forces and are constantly spilling gas.   After many
>modifications and 2 fires at the last event in Georgia I've decided
>to trash them.   I
>have a set of Strombergs and SUs   I can rebuild, which would be best?
>
>Dean VanDeCarr
>TR 6 autocross
>More TR6 street cars than my wife allows
>1970 Lola T200
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Mar 15 12:02:21 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:02:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39>
Message-ID: <8CDB15243CF01DF-C1C-244C@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com>

 nice to know i am not alone.....both cars have Strombergs....one for almost
20 years of vintage racing.

i think the TR4  strombergs got a bad name when parts and needles were hard to
come by.

then the strombergs got changed when they went on TR6s....these seem to be
awful








-----Original Message-----
From: rodkent at cox.net
To: VANDECARR at aol.com; Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 12:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg


This will be a fun one to watch, I personally like the TR-4 type strongbergs
the

best. That's what I used on my SCCA national 6 for years before the webers
were

legal, never missed a beat. I think they are both good, but the friends I had

running SU's seem to have to fiddle more. I think it's just personal
preference.

Good luck........rod

---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

On the 1.75" carbs, the strombergs have a shallower float bowl, and

the floats aren't oriented optimally.  On the SU's, the float bowls

are deeper and you can orient the float pivots toward the front and

rear of the car.  The strombergs, when mounted on the right hand side

of the engine will have issues in heavy cornering left hand turns - I

think they went rich, but it's been a while.  Car would fall flat on

its face for a second until the carbs recovered.  Very

frustrating.  Based on that experience, I'd recommend the SU's.



- Tony Drews



At 06:36 AM 3/15/2011, VANDECARR at aol.com wrote:

>I've noticed most of the vintage racers use SUs instead of Strombergs.   On

>my TR 6 I had the webers but I'm now driving a Lola with a Lotus twin cam.

>It has the Stromberg head and the Weber heads are just not available or

>stupid expensive.   I adapted the Weber 45 MCHH carbs and they work

>OK but can't

>take the G forces and are constantly spilling gas.   After many

>modifications and 2 fires at the last event in Georgia I've decided

>to trash them.   I

>have a set of Strombergs and SUs   I can rebuild, which would be best?

>

>Dean VanDeCarr

>TR 6 autocross

>More TR6 street cars than my wife allows

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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Mar 15 12:53:52 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:53:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
References: <8CDB15243CF01DF-C1C-244C@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4989570A6C174FE89A182977AC9044CA@Charly>

I was told the old ZS carbs with the large top had the best flow of all on 
the bench.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <rodkent at cox.net>; <VANDECARR at aol.com>; <tony at tonydrews.com>; 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg


> nice to know i am not alone.....both cars have Strombergs....one for 
> almost
> 20 years of vintage racing.
>
> i think the TR4  strombergs got a bad name when parts and needles were 
> hard to
> come by.
>
> then the strombergs got changed when they went on TR6s....these seem to be
> awful
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rodkent at cox.net
> To: VANDECARR at aol.com; Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>; fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 12:15 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
>
>
> This will be a fun one to watch, I personally like the TR-4 type 
> strongbergs
> the
>
> best. That's what I used on my SCCA national 6 for years before the webers
> were
>
> legal, never missed a beat. I think they are both good, but the friends I 
> had
>
> running SU's seem to have to fiddle more. I think it's just personal
> preference.
>
> Good luck........rod
>
> ---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
>
> On the 1.75" carbs, the strombergs have a shallower float bowl, and
>
> the floats aren't oriented optimally.  On the SU's, the float bowls
>
> are deeper and you can orient the float pivots toward the front and
>
> rear of the car.  The strombergs, when mounted on the right hand side
>
> of the engine will have issues in heavy cornering left hand turns - I
>
> think they went rich, but it's been a while.  Car would fall flat on
>
> its face for a second until the carbs recovered.  Very
>
> frustrating.  Based on that experience, I'd recommend the SU's.
>
>
>
> - Tony Drews
>
>
>
> At 06:36 AM 3/15/2011, VANDECARR at aol.com wrote:
>
>>I've noticed most of the vintage racers use SUs instead of Strombergs. 
>>On
>
>>my TR 6 I had the webers but I'm now driving a Lola with a Lotus twin cam.
>
>>It has the Stromberg head and the Weber heads are just not available or
>
>>stupid expensive.   I adapted the Weber 45 MCHH carbs and they work
>
>>OK but can't
>
>>take the G forces and are constantly spilling gas.   After many
>
>>modifications and 2 fires at the last event in Georgia I've decided
>
>>to trash them.   I
>
>>have a set of Strombergs and SUs   I can rebuild, which would be best?
>
>>
>
>>Dean VanDeCarr
>
>>TR 6 autocross
>
>>More TR6 street cars than my wife allows
>
>>1970 Lola T200
>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Mar 15 13:06:17 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:06:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE:  SU vs Stromberg
Message-ID: <20110315190621.CDAE81879F0@autox.team.net>

Bounced, too long, re-sending with a big snip. - Tony

>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:54:17 -0500
>To: <jhhasty at gdhs.com>, <fot at autox.team.net>
>From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
>Subject: RE: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
>
>Make sure the float pivots in the top of the float bowl are 
>perpendicular to the centerline of the car - ie the float pivots to 
>the front or the back, not to the side.
>
>- Tony
>
>At 01:03 PM 3/15/2011, John Hasty wrote:
>>The 1.75 SU's on my TR3A stutter coming out of the slow, tight right-hander
>>at Kershaw, but did not coming out of turn 7 at Road Atlanta.  Go figure?
>>
>>John H. Hasty
>>Attorney At Law
>>Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
>>719 East Boulevard
>>Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
>>Tele: (704) 372-5600
>>Fax: (704) 372-4601
>>E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com
>>www.gdhs.com
<snip>


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue Mar 15 16:40:20 2011
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:40:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE:  SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <20110315190621.CDAE81879F0@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <2019993564.2350079.1300228820808.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I have triple Strombergs with a Good Parts intake manifold on my street TR6, great improvement at idle and more "snap" when accelerating. The car is not raced or autocrossed but more fun to drive on the street since the switch to three from stock two Strombergs. 

Gary 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com> 
To: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:06:17 PM 
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE: SU vs Stromberg 

Bounced, too long, re-sending with a big snip. - Tony 

>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:54:17 -0500 
>To: <jhhasty at gdhs.com>, <fot at autox.team.net> 
>From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> 
>Subject: RE: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg 
> 
>Make sure the float pivots in the top of the float bowl are 
>perpendicular to the centerline of the car - ie the float pivots to 
>the front or the back, not to the side. 
> 
>- Tony 
> 
>At 01:03 PM 3/15/2011, John Hasty wrote: 
>>The 1.75 SU's on my TR3A stutter coming out of the slow, tight right-hander 
>>at Kershaw, but did not coming out of turn 7 at Road Atlanta. Go figure? 
>> 
>>John H. Hasty 
>>Attorney At Law 
>>Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 
>>719 East Boulevard 
>>Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 
>>Tele: (704) 372-5600 
>>Fax: (704) 372-4601 
>>E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com 
>>www.gdhs.com 
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Tue Mar 15 17:57:53 2011
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:57:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE:  SU vs Stromberg
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References: <20110315190621.CDAE81879F0@autox.team.net>
	<2019993564.2350079.1300228820808.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000001cbe36c$ccc421d0$664c6570$@rr.com>

I have seen the same manifold outfitted with three SU HS-6s on a VERY quick
TR-250 from the WPTA and all I can say is "it's impressive". I was so much
impressed I am building one for myself in the near future. 

Russ Moore

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of vintage.racer at comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 6:40 PM
To: Tony Drews
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: RE: SU vs Stromberg

I have triple Strombergs with a Good Parts intake manifold on my street TR6,
great improvement at idle and more "snap" when accelerating. The car is not
raced or autocrossed but more fun to drive on the street since the switch to
three from stock two Strombergs. 

Gary 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com> 
To: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:06:17 PM 
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE: SU vs Stromberg 

Bounced, too long, re-sending with a big snip. - Tony 

>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:54:17 -0500 
>To: <jhhasty at gdhs.com>, <fot at autox.team.net> 
>From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> 
>Subject: RE: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg 
> 
>Make sure the float pivots in the top of the float bowl are 
>perpendicular to the centerline of the car - ie the float pivots to 
>the front or the back, not to the side. 
> 
>- Tony 
> 
>At 01:03 PM 3/15/2011, John Hasty wrote: 
>>The 1.75 SU's on my TR3A stutter coming out of the slow, tight
right-hander 
>>at Kershaw, but did not coming out of turn 7 at Road Atlanta. Go figure? 
>> 
>>John H. Hasty 
>>Attorney At Law 
>>Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 
>>719 East Boulevard 
>>Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 
>>Tele: (704) 372-5600 
>>Fax: (704) 372-4601 
>>E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com 
>>www.gdhs.com 
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Tue Mar 15 20:37:21 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:37:21 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues
Message-ID: <20110315.223721.21615.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>

Sounds like with the shaft moving around side to side you need to take it all
apart to see what's going on - something is loose.

Some other things to watch for - I have had the centrifugal advance limit tab
break off and bounce around not doing good things, in addition to too much
advance.  Also, have had the advance weight pivot bushings wear through,
causing the weights to expand too far and rub on the inside of the distributor
housing.  Not only was it not running well, but all the metal dust inside did
not help much.  At that time I ditched the weights and installed electronic
advance.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:08:08 -0500

First off let me thank the folks that provided good feedback to my question
regarding the car not wanting to rev.  I am in the diagnostic phase and this
is what I have found so far:



As a recap, I am running the Mallory dual point.  Fresh points, rotor,
condenser (grounded), and cap.

The total dwell at 1100 rpm it is 40 and at 3500+ rpm it is 45. I assume
that dwell should not change over the rpm range and this condition is
indicative that something is wrong. I removed the cap and rotor and I can
move the top of the shaft far enough back and forth (side to side) to cause
the points to open and close. This distributor has 6 race weekends on it.

Could the shaft have already worn the bushings? I've read that Mallory will
not sell you replacement bushing or bearings as they want to rebuild the
unit.  Are there any alternative suggestions?

Do you guys leave the felt rubbing block in place on the points?  I have
them in place now, but I don't remember seeing a Lucas point set that uses
felt pads like that.  Maybe they are a good thing.

Thanks in advance,

Greg
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From ac at camoletti.ch  Wed Mar 16 02:09:24 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:09:24 +0100
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
References: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39>
	<801FFA8CA77140508983AEB1B9DEEEA0@gdhs.local> 
Message-ID: <001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch>

Hi John, you've got the HS6 and not the H6 if I remember well ? (on the 3A
stock  carbs are the SU H6) Maybe it makes a difference in fuel supply`?

You may try enlarging the needle seat hole, a  trick recommended by Kas, and
now SU provides as well needle floats of larger ID up to .110'' if I
remember correctly ; see www.sucarb.co.uk
Cheers! Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de John Hasty Envoyi : mardi 15 mars 2011 19:03 @ : rodkent at cox.net;
VANDECARR at aol.com; 'Tony Drews'; fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] SU vs
Stromberg

The 1.75 SU's on my TR3A stutter coming out of the slow, tight right-hander
at Kershaw, but did not coming out of turn 7 at Road Atlanta.  Go figure?

John H. Hasty


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Mar 16 08:26:06 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:26:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE:  SU vs Stromberg
References: <20110315190621.CDAE81879F0@autox.team.net><2019993564.2350079.1300228820808.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<000001cbe36c$ccc421d0$664c6570$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <5E784AA413534880B9733BEB4131BF40@Charly>

I have an interesting question to ask the group, why isn't anybody using the 
SU HIF carbs?  I've used them on several occasions and the seem to be 
superior to the h or hs.  They have less parts and are easy to adjust, less 
prone to leaks,  needles are easy. And if you get the HIF44 instead of the 
HIF6, it has bearings inside the piston dampner.  These also have a 
temperature compensator for the fuel mixture.  These were the last series of 
carbs manufactured by SU.  Just curious.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spitfire Racing" <spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com>
To: <vintage.racer at comcast.net>; "'Tony Drews'" <tony at tonydrews.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: RE: SU vs Stromberg


>I have seen the same manifold outfitted with three SU HS-6s on a VERY quick
> TR-250 from the WPTA and all I can say is "it's impressive". I was so much
> impressed I am building one for myself in the near future.
>
> Russ Moore
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of vintage.racer at comcast.net
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 6:40 PM
> To: Tony Drews
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: RE: SU vs Stromberg
>
> I have triple Strombergs with a Good Parts intake manifold on my street 
> TR6,
> great improvement at idle and more "snap" when accelerating. The car is 
> not
> raced or autocrossed but more fun to drive on the street since the switch 
> to
> three from stock two Strombergs.
>
> Gary
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:06:17 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE: SU vs Stromberg
>
> Bounced, too long, re-sending with a big snip. - Tony
>
>>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:54:17 -0500
>>To: <jhhasty at gdhs.com>, <fot at autox.team.net>
>>From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
>>Subject: RE: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
>>
>>Make sure the float pivots in the top of the float bowl are
>>perpendicular to the centerline of the car - ie the float pivots to
>>the front or the back, not to the side.
>>
>>- Tony
>>
>>At 01:03 PM 3/15/2011, John Hasty wrote:
>>>The 1.75 SU's on my TR3A stutter coming out of the slow, tight
> right-hander
>>>at Kershaw, but did not coming out of turn 7 at Road Atlanta. Go figure?
>>>
>>>John H. Hasty
>>>Attorney At Law
>>>Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
>>>719 East Boulevard
>>>Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
>>>Tele: (704) 372-5600
>>>Fax: (704) 372-4601
>>>E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com
>>>www.gdhs.com
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 16 10:10:26 2011
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:10:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Type A OD, either 22% or 28% (AH)
References: <000301cbdf55$666af190$3340d4b0$@com>
Message-ID: <CF562114E78F47CB8D2C5E987AAFCBEE@Edscomputer>

Tim,

Did you find the overdrive or parts thereof that you require? If not, I have 
most of that stuff lying around my workbench (somewhere), including a 28% 
sunwheel/planetary gearset.

Ed Woods 


From tlizzard at msn.com  Wed Mar 16 10:33:58 2011
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:33:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE:  SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <20110315190621.CDAE81879F0@autox.team.net><2019993564.2350079.1300228820808.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><000001cbe36c$ccc421d0$664c6570$@rr.com>
	<5E784AA413534880B9733BEB4131BF40@Charly>
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The HIF have that diaphragm that is another area where a catastrophic failure
can occur.

Terry Stetler


From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 16 10:10:26 2011
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:10:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Type A OD, either 22% or 28% (AH)
References: <000301cbdf55$666af190$3340d4b0$@com>
Message-ID: <04D85B0D9CDE4096AF44090768A7AD4F@Edscomputer>

Tim,

Did you find the overdrive or parts thereof that you require? If not, I have 
most of that stuff lying around my workbench (somewhere), including a 28% 
sunwheel/planetary gearset.

Ed Woods 


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Mar 16 17:00:41 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:00:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch>
References: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39>
	<801FFA8CA77140508983AEB1B9DEEEA0@gdhs.local> 
	<001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch>
Message-ID: <074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>

> You may try enlarging the needle seat hole, a  trick recommended by
> Kas, and
> now SU provides as well needle floats of larger ID up to .110'' if I
> remember correctly ; see www.sucarb.co.uk
> Cheers! Alex

For those in the USA, you might check with Moss Motors.  Their rep mentioned
at TRfest that they had to use the larger float valve to get adequate fuel
flow for the TR4 blower setup.  That may mean they have the valves available
for sale separately as well.

-- Randall 


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 16 20:43:31 2011
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 02:43:31 +0000
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>
References: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39><801FFA8CA77140508983AEB1B9DEEEA0@gdhs.local>
	<001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch><074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.24.1638251568.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

I stumbled a lot in the turns with my HS6s. Re-oriented the float bowl tops and floats from side to side to front to back using MGB lids and it solved the problem. 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:00:41 
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

> You may try enlarging the needle seat hole, a  trick recommended by
> Kas, and
> now SU provides as well needle floats of larger ID up to .110'' if I
> remember correctly ; see www.sucarb.co.uk
> Cheers! Alex

For those in the USA, you might check with Moss Motors.  Their rep mentioned
at TRfest that they had to use the larger float valve to get adequate fuel
flow for the TR4 blower setup.  That may mean they have the valves available
for sale separately as well.

-- Randall 
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From ac at camoletti.ch  Thu Mar 17 07:41:48 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:41:48 +0100
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>
References: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39>
	<801FFA8CA77140508983AEB1B9DEEEA0@gdhs.local> 
	<001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch>
	<074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <002701cbe4a9$110f1c40$332d54c0$@camoletti.ch>

Yes, in fact checked on sucarb.co.uk and they have new needle seats with
.125'' bore (ref VZX1090), which is a substantial improvement over stock.
Also one may try to fit smaller floats (the ones of H2), meaning more fuel
in the chamber at all times, therefore able to face a surge with more
comfort.
Let me know your thoughts Amici!
Mr Kastner, at the time when you drilled the needle seats to what ID did you
go to?
Cheers!
Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Randall
Envoyi : jeudi 17 mars 2011 00:01
@ : fot at autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

> You may try enlarging the needle seat hole, a  trick recommended by
> Kas, and now SU provides as well needle floats of larger ID up to
> .110'' if I remember correctly ; see www.sucarb.co.uk Cheers! Alex

For those in the USA, you might check with Moss Motors.  Their rep mentioned
at TRfest that they had to use the larger float valve to get adequate fuel
flow for the TR4 blower setup.  That may mean they have the valves available
for sale separately as well.

-- Randall
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu Mar 17 08:07:31 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 07:07:31 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Morgan Trike
Message-ID: <F87D3229BC914EC09F67A77585893679@Charly>

I guess Morgan's making a trike again.  Maybe someone could translate the
video for us.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

http://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/morgan_events/morgan_events_2011/2011eventspage
s/geneva2011.html#


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Thu Mar 17 08:26:16 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:26:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <002701cbe4a9$110f1c40$332d54c0$@camoletti.ch>
References: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39>
	<801FFA8CA77140508983AEB1B9DEEEA0@gdhs.local>
	<001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch>
	<074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>
	<002701cbe4a9$110f1c40$332d54c0$@camoletti.ch>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A4080EFBDC2@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Bigger jets means new needle profiles. I suppose if you did the work you could
make sure that you could pump enough air through the engine in all the rpm
ranges to find a suitable needle. I just want to race. When you guys figure
that out let me know.

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Alexandre Camoletti
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 8:42 AM
To: 'Randall'; fot at autox.team.net; John Hasty
Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

Yes, in fact checked on sucarb.co.uk and they have new needle seats with
.125'' bore (ref VZX1090), which is a substantial improvement over stock.
Also one may try to fit smaller floats (the ones of H2), meaning more fuel
in the chamber at all times, therefore able to face a surge with more
comfort.
Let me know your thoughts Amici!
Mr Kastner, at the time when you drilled the needle seats to what ID did you
go to?
Cheers!
Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Randall
Envoyi : jeudi 17 mars 2011 00:01
@ : fot at autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

> You may try enlarging the needle seat hole, a  trick recommended by
> Kas, and now SU provides as well needle floats of larger ID up to
> .110'' if I remember correctly ; see www.sucarb.co.uk Cheers! Alex

For those in the USA, you might check with Moss Motors.  Their rep mentioned
at TRfest that they had to use the larger float valve to get adequate fuel
flow for the TR4 blower setup.  That may mean they have the valves available
for sale separately as well.

-- Randall
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From ac at camoletti.ch  Thu Mar 17 08:33:32 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:33:32 +0100
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A4080EFBDC2@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
References: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39>
	<801FFA8CA77140508983AEB1B9DEEEA0@gdhs.local> 
	<001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch>
	<074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>
	<002701cbe4a9$110f1c40$332d54c0$@camoletti.ch>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A4080EFBDC2@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <003c01cbe4b0$4b5b4200$e211c600$@camoletti.ch>

Hi Bob! Here talking about the needle and seats controlling fuel flow
entering the fuel chambers at the side of the carb, not the main jets and
needles.

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Kramer, Robert [mailto:RKramer at rdoequipment.com]
Envoyi : jeudi 17 mars 2011 15:26
@ : Alexandre Camoletti; 'Randall'; fot at autox.team.net; John Hasty
Objet : RE: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

Bigger jets means new needle profiles. I suppose if you did the work you
could make sure that you could pump enough air through the engine in all the
rpm ranges to find a suitable needle. I just want to race. When you guys
figure that out let me know.

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Alexandre Camoletti
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 8:42 AM
To: 'Randall'; fot at autox.team.net; John Hasty
Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

Yes, in fact checked on sucarb.co.uk and they have new needle seats with
.125'' bore (ref VZX1090), which is a substantial improvement over stock.
Also one may try to fit smaller floats (the ones of H2), meaning more fuel
in the chamber at all times, therefore able to face a surge with more
comfort.
Let me know your thoughts Amici!
Mr Kastner, at the time when you drilled the needle seats to what ID did you
go to?
Cheers!
Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Randall Envoyi : jeudi 17 mars 2011 00:01 @ : fot at autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

> You may try enlarging the needle seat hole, a  trick recommended by
> Kas, and now SU provides as well needle floats of larger ID up to
> .110'' if I remember correctly ; see www.sucarb.co.uk Cheers! Alex

For those in the USA, you might check with Moss Motors.  Their rep mentioned
at TRfest that they had to use the larger float valve to get adequate fuel
flow for the TR4 blower setup.  That may mean they have the valves available
for sale separately as well.

-- Randall
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Thu Mar 17 08:39:48 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:39:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <092501cbe4b0$66dbd0d0$0301a8c0@randall>
References: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39><801FFA8CA77140508983AEB1B9DEEEA0@gdhs.local>
	<001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch><074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>
	<002701cbe4a9$110f1c40$332d54c0$@camoletti.ch>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A4080EFBDC2@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
	<092501cbe4b0$66dbd0d0$0301a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A4080EFBE1C@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Oops, I haven't kept up with the thread. I can't keep up with all the emails
that come across this list, but I should know better than to reply without
having done so.

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson





-----Original Message-----
From: Randall [mailto:TR3driver at ca.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 9:34 AM
To: Kramer, Robert
Subject: RE: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

Er, no, we are talking about the float valve, not the mixture needle.

-- Randall

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kramer, Robert [mailto:RKramer at rdoequipment.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 7:26 AM
> To: Alexandre Camoletti; 'Randall'; fot at autox.team.net; John Hasty
> Subject: RE: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
>
> Bigger jets means new needle profiles. I suppose if you did
> the work you could make sure that you could pump enough air
> through the engine in all the rpm ranges to find a suitable
> needle. I just want to race. When you guys figure that out
> let me know.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Texas Rental Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-687-7422 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
> Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term
> goals are the keys to your success.
> ~Mac Anderson
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alexandre Camoletti
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 8:42 AM
> To: 'Randall'; fot at autox.team.net; John Hasty
> Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
>
> Yes, in fact checked on sucarb.co.uk and they have new needle
> seats with
> .125'' bore (ref VZX1090), which is a substantial improvement
> over stock.
> Also one may try to fit smaller floats (the ones of H2),
> meaning more fuel
> in the chamber at all times, therefore able to face a surge with more
> comfort.
> Let me know your thoughts Amici!
> Mr Kastner, at the time when you drilled the needle seats to
> what ID did you
> go to?
> Cheers!
> Alex
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
> part de Randall
> Envoyi : jeudi 17 mars 2011 00:01
> @ : fot at autox.team.net
> Objet : Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
>
> > You may try enlarging the needle seat hole, a  trick recommended by
> > Kas, and now SU provides as well needle floats of larger ID up to
> > .110'' if I remember correctly ; see www.sucarb.co.uk Cheers! Alex
>
> For those in the USA, you might check with Moss Motors.
> Their rep mentioned
> at TRfest that they had to use the larger float valve to get
> adequate fuel
> flow for the TR4 blower setup.  That may mean they have the
> valves available
> for sale separately as well.
>
> -- Randall
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From 58tr3a at videotron.ca  Thu Mar 17 08:59:04 2011
From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:59:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Morgan Trike
References: <F87D3229BC914EC09F67A77585893679@Charly>
Message-ID: <AFE542A976DB4934811F79BADCC093C4@elliott7455dae>

The first video shows a man sitting in the driver's seat of a Morgan and he 
is telling about an architect friend who always dreamed of having one and 
when he saw one parked on a street in Paris, he left his business card and 
eventually bought it.  He was most pleased with the car.

The second bit of video shows an intervewer asking about the price of the 
TRIKE.  The tall Brit replies 43,000.00 Euros.  Oh ! says the interviewer, 
that's not cheap !!!

----------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charly Mitchel" <charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>; "Steve Hare" <haretoday at comcast.net>; "Jeff Quick" 
<quicktr4 at comcast.net>; "Mark York" <m-syork at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 10:07 AM
Subject: [Fot] Morgan Trike


>I guess Morgan's making a trike again.  Maybe someone could translate the
> video for us.
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44
>
> http://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/morgan_events/morgan_events_2011/2011eventspage
> s/geneva2011.html#
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Thu Mar 17 10:26:40 2011
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:26:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Morgan Trike
In-Reply-To: <F87D3229BC914EC09F67A77585893679@Charly>
	<AFE542A976DB4934811F79BADCC093C4@elliott7455dae>
References: <F87D3229BC914EC09F67A77585893679@Charly>
	<AFE542A976DB4934811F79BADCC093C4@elliott7455dae>
Message-ID: <BAY157-ds98F0B6F18D4428C6B9BB7C3B10@phx.gbl>

While being very very cool, it is far too expensive.  Still if I had the extra
cash there would be one in my garage.

Also it is powered by an S&S clone of a Harley Davidson engine.   I do find
this to be an appropriate choice as the original Moggy Trikes used off the
shelf V-Twin motorcycle engines.

Terry Stetler


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Mar 17 12:40:12 2011
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:40:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Have acquired overdrive
Message-ID: <000001cbe4d2$c1236ae0$436a40a0$@com>

Thanks to all those who responded to my request for an "A" Type overdrive
with offers of parts, overdrive units and advice.  I tried to reply to
everyone who responded but may have missed some, there were a lot of
e-mails.  My apologies if I didn't get back to you.  The FOT and its members
are amazing!    Thanks to Mark J. Bradikis for making this possible.

I decided to "upgrade" to a TR4 transmission from our TR3 box and purchased
a "new" transmission and overdrive from John Esposito at Quatumechanics.
The transmission will have the larger layshaft bearings and the steel
bushings.  John was very helpful with advice and good to work with.  It got
to be that the cost of the repair parts for my old overdrive would have been
more than 50% of the cost of the "new" transmission and overdrive from John,
easy decision once I got to that point.  We had an old TR4 non-overdrive
tranny from a rolling chassis we picked up that we can use for the exchange
with John.  About the only really good parts from the old OD are the rear
housing, planet gears, accumulator and actuator pistons and some hardware.
The main shaft would have to be replaced also.  At least now I have a
"dummy" main shaft for reassembling overdrives, that's about all the old one
is good for; lining up the splines.

After advice from a number of people, including Kas, I decided to stay with
the 22% OD with our 4.3 diff.  It gives a good combination of a lot of punch
in 2nd and 3rd direct drive with a good overall ratio, 3.52, in 4th
overdrive, better than the 3.7 in the standard non-overdrive setup.  And I
learned that there is a bit more to using the 28% in the TR than a simple
change of some gears.

I did learn a lot more about the OD.  I had a nice phone conversation with
Jay Holekamp and Steve Yott drove up from southern Wisconsin in his
beautiful '67 TR4A to deliver one of his modified oil pumps, which will also
be a good upgrade to the engine, and gave me some more good information on
the OD.  Jay put me on to the write up by Nelson Rydel on the Buckeye
Triumphs website which is really good for explaining the overdrive, its
operation, disassembly, reassembly and troubleshooting.  I would recommend
it to anyone who wants to work on the overdrive.  A great piece of technical
writing.  Thanks to Irv Korey for putting me in touch with these two, both
great guys.  The VTR write up by Larry Young and Sam Clark of Green County
Triumphs is also good and recommended.

It's been fun taking the OD apart and learning more about it.  I think it
will now be part of the regular checkups on the engine and transmission to
disassemble the OD and check things over before I have another catastrophic
failure.  I don't know if I could have prevented the last one but maybe I
could have limited the damage had I checked it earlier.  The only thing I
didn't get removed was the pump body.  I made the puller but it didn't want
to start to move very easily.  I stopped before I busted something.  I've
learned since that they pump body comes out really hard.  It would seem
unless there is a problem with building up enough pressure that it might be
best just to leave well enough alone.

                Again, thanks to everyone.  We should get the new unit in
plenty of time to make the first race.  And, it should be one less thing to
worry about on the track.  I tend to drive like a mechanic anyway, thinking
too much about the car.  Really can't help it, it's the engineer in meJ
Just takes me awhile to stop thinking about the car and just drive!!!

 

Tim


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 17 19:06:36 2011
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:06:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VARA's British Extravaganza "Special" for FOT attending the
 Kastner Cup race
Message-ID: <5E9FCF26-CD6F-4C94-8CC8-7C9E8B996318@earthlink.net>

FOT,

I've got the official word from VARA about the British Extravaganza,  
Buttonwillow Raceway, CA, June 4-5

Here are the details:

Entry Form: a special entry form for FOT will be posted to the VARA  
website.
Waived Fees: Non-Member entry fees and late fees will be waived when  
mentioning FOT upon sign-up
Gate fee:  $10 per person

The BE is a 2 day event, but people may arrive Friday to set up.

SAT & SUN  $275  (Includes 2 BBQ tix)

Saturday includes 1 Practice session and 1 Qualifying Race.
FOT entrants are welcome to do tours on Sat with the Ground-School  
folks.
FOT is also welcome to the FRI-night Ground School "Class"  The track  
map is covered in the 1st half-hour and they are welcome to leave  
after that.


SUNDAY ONLY  $175 (includes 1 BBQ ticket if arriving Sat)

Sunday includes 3 sessions plus a track-tour

Early Track tour
Morning Practice
Triumph Challenge Race
Flag Race
GRID POSITION: Since Sat. is for qualifying, Sun FOT racers will start  
at the back of the pack for the Triumph Challenge and Flag Race

TECH: Just like the Kaster event in Monterey, we will have our own  
tech inspector, cars must have a log-book and will be tech'ed based on  
their current organization.


SPECIAL PHOTO
Right after the Triumph Challenge Race, all Triumph Racers,  Including  
those who have their car in tow and will NOT be racing, may gather for  
a group photo, (That I think we can purchase.)


A few Buttonwillow Links:

http://buttonwillowraceway.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K61ETcvrowY&feature=related


Feel free to email me with any questions or concerns about the event.

~Steve Belfer


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Mar 18 14:41:57 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:41:57 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Spa
In-Reply-To: <5E9FCF26-CD6F-4C94-8CC8-7C9E8B996318@earthlink.net>
References: <5E9FCF26-CD6F-4C94-8CC8-7C9E8B996318@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <007601cbe5ac$eda26690$c8e733b0$@com>

I realized that I never had done a youtube version of Spa.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJPVLPWQfYY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG5rhZn3Mzo

Have fun!


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 18 20:07:42 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:07:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
Message-ID: <BLU160-w55E73BA88436D8FBDE2735BAB30@phx.gbl>

FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded  oil  marketed as for flat
tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt. They
list both conventional and semi-synthetic.

Marty


From tlizzard at msn.com  Fri Mar 18 22:37:25 2011
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 00:37:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-w55E73BA88436D8FBDE2735BAB30@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-w55E73BA88436D8FBDE2735BAB30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY157-ds12A651D9AF0F86AF8A528EC3B30@phx.gbl>

I wonder who is packaging it for them?

And what other brand name it is sold under?

One of the little secrets of the refining industry is that there are lots of
different brands of oil, but not really many manufacturers.
I've been trying to find a list of who really makes what, and what brands are
all the same, but it's very closely kept info.


Terry Stetler
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  To: FOT<mailto:fot at autox.team.net> ; Triumph
List<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:07 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil


  FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded  oil  marketed as for
flat
  tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt.
They
  list both conventional and semi-synthetic.

  Marty
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Mar 19 03:37:22 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 10:37:22 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <BAY157-ds12A651D9AF0F86AF8A528EC3B30@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-w55E73BA88436D8FBDE2735BAB30@phx.gbl>
	<BAY157-ds12A651D9AF0F86AF8A528EC3B30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000601cbe619$41e86030$c5b92090$@com>

Hi,

this is maybe more a call for the European TR drivers:

The German rules for vintage cars got more strict and a friend of mine has
trouble to get the permission to run his Cosmic wheels.
http://trtom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tr6-cosmic-wheels-heiner-01.jpg?w=4
50&h=248

He needs historic documents that these wheels were sold for or with Triumph
cars in that time.
Best would be a catalogue, historic photos, any kind of datasheet.

Anybody able to help?

Cheers
Chris


From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Sat Mar 19 04:07:50 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:07:50 +1000
Subject: [Fot] GT6 vented brake kit for sale
Message-ID: <AANLkTin+ApODBnsQRd_EDt1-WR-ds25T7mofdWHGPqJW@mail.gmail.com>

i have a road/race brake kit, bolted up but never used.  just fits under 13"
alloy wheels
front: willwood alloy calipers, custom alloy mounts, vented rotors.
rear, alloy PBR calipers with in-built handbrake mechanism (rebuilt), custom
mounts for Mk2 uprights, solid rotors. these are drilled for 4 x 4.5PCD (TR6
pattern, but could be redrileld to 4 x 3 3/4 (GT6). i have 3sets of these
calipers incl TR6 mounts

email me directly if anyone is interested in buying them

thanks

Terry o'Beirne
Australia


From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Sat Mar 19 04:39:23 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:39:23 +1000
Subject: [Fot] 1 piece valves advice
Message-ID: <AANLkTikyBm4n9XY_P0KuVNU9O5d9gHkG3E9rpYVPv+hU@mail.gmail.com>

can anyone point me to a reputable supplier of 1-piece TR6/GT6 valves suit
race use . years ago i got a few sets from Moss USA, made in Argentina,
fabulous quality, but alas, no longer supplied.
would prefer leads from people who are actually using the valves in race
applications.

many thanks, terry o'beirne
 AUSTRALIA


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Mar 19 07:07:20 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:07:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <000601cbe619$41e86030$c5b92090$@com>
Message-ID: <224540.10297.qm@smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I am sure that Road and Track had advertisments for these wheels. What year
documentation does he need?

Paul 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: March 19, 2011 5:37 AM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels

Hi,

this is maybe more a call for the European TR drivers:

The German rules for vintage cars got more strict and a friend of mine has
trouble to get the permission to run his Cosmic wheels.
http://trtom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tr6-cosmic-wheels-heiner-01.jpg?w=4
50&h=248

He needs historic documents that these wheels were sold for or with Triumph
cars in that time.
Best would be a catalogue, historic photos, any kind of datasheet.

Anybody able to help?

Cheers
Chris
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Mar 19 07:15:32 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:15:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] looking for tr3/tr4 header
Message-ID: <8CDB44EDC559857-2C48-4D3A@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com>

 preferably stainless steel

used/new

thanks




=


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Mar 19 07:51:11 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:51:11 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <224540.10297.qm@smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <000601cbe619$41e86030$c5b92090$@com>
	<224540.10297.qm@smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000801cbe63c$b5dee0e0$219ca2a0$@com>

Thank you for reply,
He is looking for a TR4 so I think the years from 1961 - 1970 should be fine
for documentation.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: macdonaldp [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Mdrz 2011 14:07
An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Cosmic wheels

I am sure that Road and Track had advertisments for these wheels. What year
documentation does he need?

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: March 19, 2011 5:37 AM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels

Hi,

this is maybe more a call for the European TR drivers:

The German rules for vintage cars got more strict and a friend of mine has
trouble to get the permission to run his Cosmic wheels.
http://trtom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tr6-cosmic-wheels-heiner-01.jpg?w=4
50&h=248

He needs historic documents that these wheels were sold for or with Triumph
cars in that time.
Best would be a catalogue, historic photos, any kind of datasheet.

Anybody able to help?

Cheers
Chris
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 19 13:38:00 2011
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:38:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <000601cbe619$41e86030$c5b92090$@com>
References: <BLU160-w55E73BA88436D8FBDE2735BAB30@phx.gbl>
	<BAY157-ds12A651D9AF0F86AF8A528EC3B30@phx.gbl>
	<000601cbe619$41e86030$c5b92090$@com>
Message-ID: <920855.29185.qm@web46105.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Chris;
It may not be much help but I run Cosmic wheels.  I have not seen
anyone else 
with them.  My Father in Law bought the car and had it restored
many years ago.  
It came with the wheels as it was run in the 60's and 70's.
Good luck.
Mike Mehl #46 TR4




________________________________
From:
MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 2:37:22 AM
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels

Hi,

this
is maybe more a call for the European TR drivers:

The German rules for
vintage cars got more strict and a friend of mine has
trouble to get the
permission to run his Cosmic wheels.
http://trtom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tr6-cosmic-wheels-heiner-01.jpg?w=4
50&h=248

He needs historic documents that these wheels were sold for or with
Triumph
cars in that time.
Best would be a catalogue, historic photos, any
kind of datasheet.

Anybody able to help?

Cheers
Chris
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Sat Mar 19 19:55:51 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 01:55:51 GMT
Subject: [Fot] 1 piece valves advice
Message-ID: <20110319.215551.3230.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com>

If you can't find any readily available, you can have a company like Manley
Performance custom make them for you.  I had some made for my TR3 once, some
years ago.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Enquiries Road & Track" <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] 1 piece valves advice
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:39:23 +1000

can anyone point me to a reputable supplier of 1-piece TR6/GT6 valves suit
race use . years ago i got a few sets from Moss USA, made in Argentina,
fabulous quality, but alas, no longer supplied.
would prefer leads from people who are actually using the valves in race
applications.

many thanks, terry o'beirne
 AUSTRALIA
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Sun Mar 20 06:35:49 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 08:35:49 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Introduction to the List
Message-ID: <25c7a.41cf19a6.3ab74ea5@aol.com>

Hello
My name is Sam Clark and my wife, Carol, and I instigated the formation of  
Green Country Triumphs in 1993.  We bought our TR3 back in 1989 and it was  
an experience.  It was in a friend's garage and Carol fell in love with  
it.  It didn't run but with a little gas in the carbs it would start.   The 
brakes were toast due to DOT3 fluid so we took to a local shop to have them  
rebuilt.  I had no experience with British cars to that point, having owned  
Mustangs before but the learning curve was steep after having to pay someone 
to  work on the car.  I soon bought a manual and stared doing the work my  
self.  In 1995 We bought a 1972 TR6 from California and restored it.   2 
years ago we bought a '72 GT6 and have been working on it.  Even though  we 
don't race (not enough funds) our Club supports our members by doing the work  
on their cars free of charge (if they buy the parts and consumables).  I  
have helped Larry Young on his race car and have tried to support him with 
some  of the work.  We rebuild transmissions and overdrive units for the club 
and  are published on the TVR site for our work.
Thanks to Larry Young for the nomination and Andy Mace for the  second. 
I'm sure that Carol and I have met a lot of y'all and look forward to  
seeing all y'all soon.
Sam and Carol Clark
Green Country Triumphs (Tulsa, OK)


From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 16 10:10:26 2011
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:10:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Type A OD, either 22% or 28% (AH)
References: <000301cbdf55$666af190$3340d4b0$@com>
Message-ID: <B744ED81D2C44615866509315FD6DC6C@Edscomputer>

Tim,

Did you find the overdrive or parts thereof that you require? If not, I have 
most of that stuff lying around my workbench (somewhere), including a 28% 
sunwheel/planetary gearset.

Ed Woods 


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Mar 20 10:35:23 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:35:23 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Off list :  Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <15C89AF84D474FF6BF750C8B624659C3@FreddPC>
References: <15C89AF84D474FF6BF750C8B624659C3@FreddPC>
Message-ID: <000d01cbe71c$d1aae6d0$7500b470$@com>

Information about Cosmic wheels are really rare.
I found nothing usable.
Thank you for the idea with the Belgian Register - maybe they have
something.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Fredd [mailto:fal at knology.net]
Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Mdrz 2011 21:50
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Off list : [Fot] Cosmic wheels

Chris,

In the 60s and 70s you could buy those Cosmic in many accessorie shops in
Belgium.
I had those on a used TR6 I bought in 1971 in Belgium.
Maybe you can contact the TR Register Belgium with your question.

I live in the USA since 1990 and have never seen these wheels in the US.

Best,
Fredd


> ________________________________
> From:
> MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 2:37:22 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
>
> Hi,
>
> this
> is maybe more a call for the European TR drivers:
>
> The German rules for
> vintage cars got more strict and a friend of mine has
> trouble to get the
> permission to run his Cosmic wheels.
>
http://trtom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tr6-cosmic-wheels-heiner-01.jpg?w=4
> 50&h=248
>
> He needs historic documents that these wheels were sold for or with
> Triumph
> cars in that time.
> Best would be a catalogue, historic photos, any
> kind of datasheet.
>
> Anybody able to help?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> http://www.fot-racing.com


From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 16 10:10:26 2011
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:10:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Type A OD, either 22% or 28% (AH)
References: <000301cbdf55$666af190$3340d4b0$@com>
Message-ID: <D81D3B3E6B2A4B529246373D4B36982D@Edscomputer>

Tim,

Did you find the overdrive or parts thereof that you require? If not, I have 
most of that stuff lying around my workbench (somewhere), including a 28% 
sunwheel/planetary gearset.

Ed Woods 


From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 16 10:10:26 2011
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:10:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Type A OD, either 22% or 28% (AH)
References: <000301cbdf55$666af190$3340d4b0$@com>
Message-ID: <C041035D4F8E4D05B610C77E110909AD@Edscomputer>

Tim,

Did you find the overdrive or parts thereof that you require? If not, I have 
most of that stuff lying around my workbench (somewhere), including a 28% 
sunwheel/planetary gearset.

Ed Woods 


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Sun Mar 20 12:16:21 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:16:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Off list :  Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <000d01cbe71c$d1aae6d0$7500b470$@com>
Message-ID: <794185.52981.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Chris:
Found it - http://www.cosmic-wheels.com/

--- On Sun, 3/20/11, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:


From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Off list : Cosmic wheels
To: "'Friends of Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 11:35 AM


Information about Cosmic wheels are really rare.
I found nothing usable.
Thank you for the idea with the Belgian Register - maybe they have
something.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Fredd [mailto:fal at knology.net]
Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Mdrz 2011 21:50
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Off list : [Fot] Cosmic wheels

Chris,

In the 60s and 70s you could buy those Cosmic in many accessorie shops in
Belgium.
I had those on a used TR6 I bought in 1971 in Belgium.
Maybe you can contact the TR Register Belgium with your question.

I live in the USA since 1990 and have never seen these wheels in the US.

Best,
Fredd


> ________________________________
> From:
> MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 2:37:22 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
>
> Hi,
>
> this
> is maybe more a call for the European TR drivers:
>
> The German rules for
> vintage cars got more strict and a friend of mine has
> trouble to get the
> permission to run his Cosmic wheels.
>
http://trtom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tr6-cosmic-wheels-heiner-01.jpg?w=4
> 50&h=248
>
> He needs historic documents that these wheels were sold for or with
> Triumph
> cars in that time.
> Best would be a catalogue, historic photos, any
> kind of datasheet.
>
> Anybody able to help?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.fot-racing.com
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sun Mar 20 12:46:22 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:46:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Off list :  Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <000d01cbe71c$d1aae6d0$7500b470$@com>
Message-ID: <995249.86442.qm@smtp107.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Here is a scan of an accessory magasine from October 1971.

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/Cosmic.jpg

I will attach a higher resolution scan to Chris (which will be stripped from
the list email.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: March 20, 2011 12:35 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Off list : Cosmic wheels

Information about Cosmic wheels are really rare.
I found nothing usable.
Thank you for the idea with the Belgian Register - maybe they have
something.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Fredd [mailto:fal at knology.net]
Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Mdrz 2011 21:50
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Off list : [Fot] Cosmic wheels

Chris,

In the 60s and 70s you could buy those Cosmic in many accessorie shops in
Belgium.
I had those on a used TR6 I bought in 1971 in Belgium.
Maybe you can contact the TR Register Belgium with your question.

I live in the USA since 1990 and have never seen these wheels in the US.

Best,
Fredd


> ________________________________
> From:
> MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 2:37:22 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
>
> Hi,
>
> this
> is maybe more a call for the European TR drivers:
>
> The German rules for
> vintage cars got more strict and a friend of mine has trouble to get 
> the permission to run his Cosmic wheels.
>
http://trtom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tr6-cosmic-wheels-heiner-01.jpg?w=4
> 50&h=248
>
> He needs historic documents that these wheels were sold for or with 
> Triumph cars in that time.
> Best would be a catalogue, historic photos, any kind of datasheet.
>
> Anybody able to help?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> http://www.fot-racing.com
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[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Cosmic.JPG]


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sun Mar 20 12:55:42 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:55:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Off list :  Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <794185.52981.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <207766.47660.qm@smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 A contact from the forum at the link below.

http://www.cosmic-wheels.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?726

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD
Sent: March 20, 2011 2:16 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'; MadMarx
Subject: Re: [Fot] Off list : Cosmic wheels

Chris:
Found it - http://www.cosmic-wheels.com/

--- On Sun, 3/20/11, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:


From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Off list : Cosmic wheels
To: "'Friends of Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 11:35 AM


Information about Cosmic wheels are really rare.
I found nothing usable.
Thank you for the idea with the Belgian Register - maybe they have
something.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Fredd [mailto:fal at knology.net]
Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Mdrz 2011 21:50
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Off list : [Fot] Cosmic wheels

Chris,

In the 60s and 70s you could buy those Cosmic in many accessorie shops in
Belgium.
I had those on a used TR6 I bought in 1971 in Belgium.
Maybe you can contact the TR Register Belgium with your question.

I live in the USA since 1990 and have never seen these wheels in the US.

Best,
Fredd


From REK46 at aol.com  Sun Mar 20 15:25:37 2011
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:25:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Looking for header
Message-ID: <4bcad.28653d11.3ab7cad1@aol.com>

Seriously looking for a Stahl competition exh header for Spit  
1296/MkIII...1 3/8"tubing...4 into one type as orig produced in the  70s/80s...for SCCA 
Spitfires F/P....Contact me off-list at _rek46 at aol.com_ 
(mailto:rek46 at aol.com) .. to replace for this season due  to damage from last year......rick 
kristoff
 
 
In a message dated 3/20/2011 12:33:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
fogbro1 at comcast.net writes:

Tim,

Did you find the overdrive or parts thereof that you  require? If not, I 
have 
most of that stuff lying around my workbench  (somewhere), including a 28% 
sunwheel/planetary gearset.

Ed Woods  
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From REK46 at aol.com  Sun Mar 20 15:28:20 2011
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:28:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <4be33.597974a.3ab7cb74@aol.com>

Is this the way to post an orig thread start?


From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Sun Mar 20 16:28:28 2011
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 22:28:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Southwick hubs
Message-ID: <2048885697.1574828.1300660108521.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

HelloB B  Does the installation of these front hubs increase the front trac
?B B B  thanksB B  rob


From REK46 at aol.com  Mon Mar 21 07:11:42 2011
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:11:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Sahl header wanted
Message-ID: <209fe.7e75a69f.3ab8a88e@aol.com>

Looking for a Stahl competition header for Spit Mk III 1296....1 3/8"  
tubes, 4 into one...made by Stahl in the 70's/80's for SCCA Spits F/P...good  
condition,no kinks. Contact me off-line  _rek46 at aol.com_ 
(mailto:rek46 at aol.com)   . Need to replace my damaged  one ,for this season....Rick 


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Mar 21 09:09:03 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:09:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Summit Point
Message-ID: <33E37B0FFDEA439B920DFA8E4632276C@gdhs.local>

The last time I raced at Summit Point was in the 70's on a 350cc Yamaha and
now that I plan to run the VDCA/VRG event in May with my TR3A, memory does
not serve me well as to how to get there and where to stay. All I can
remember is that we exited I 81 one exit north of the Holiday Inn in
Whichester, VA; took the left hand of the fork in the road and somehow wound
up at the track and camped out at the track.  Hope someone out there can
advise......thanks to all

John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
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Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Mon Mar 21 10:05:45 2011
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:05:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Summit Point
In-Reply-To: <33E37B0FFDEA439B920DFA8E4632276C@gdhs.local>
References: <33E37B0FFDEA439B920DFA8E4632276C@gdhs.local>
Message-ID: <4826b02f2f044f92c8b838793f8fbc29.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

Hi John,

There's lots of good info including maps and
places to stay on their website:

http://www.summitpoint-raceway.com/

If you need more info, send me an e-mail,
I can probably help.  I sort of consider
Summit my home track.  I usually camped
at the track, though.

John

On Mon, March 21, 2011 11:09 am, John Hasty wrote:
> The last time I raced at Summit Point was in the 70's on a 350cc Yamaha
> and
> now that I plan to run the VDCA/VRG event in May with my TR3A, memory does
> not serve me well as to how to get there and where to stay. All I can
> remember is that we exited I 81 one exit north of the Holiday Inn in
> Whichester, VA; took the left hand of the fork in the road and somehow
> wound
> up at the track and camped out at the track.  Hope someone out there can
> advise......thanks to all
>
> John H. Hasty
> Attorney At Law
> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
> 719 East Boulevard
> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Mar 21 15:30:03 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:30:03 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <207766.47660.qm@smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <794185.52981.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<207766.47660.qm@smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001001cbe80f$26831770$73894650$@com>

Well, thank you all for the information I've got.
I forwarded all to my friend and hope for best that he gets permission to
run these wheels.

Cheers
Chris


From rodkent at cox.net  Tue Mar 22 15:03:39 2011
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:03:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] panasport wheels
Message-ID: <20110322170339.0II0I.153967.imail@fed1rmwml41>

I appreciate the responses I recieved for the gt-6 bits I was selling. About the only thing I have left are the panasports and glass bonnet. The wheels are 6 x 13, with 4 3/8 backspacing. NIB, 550.00 set + shipping. thanks.......rod


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 22 18:13:37 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:13:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6/ TR4A Carrera shocks
Message-ID: <BLU160-w6336C59F26AFE66480455FBAB70@phx.gbl>

In case there might be any interest, I have a nice set of Carrera front shocks
on ebay. P/N 3336

Marty


From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Wed Mar 23 14:11:50 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 06:11:50 +1000
Subject: [Fot] chasing smiths tacho
Message-ID: <AANLkTimsXAtr6eQn=8q6ZcuoBXRBY4Hg9wK1=vguMBaE@mail.gmail.com>

i'm after a 4" smiths tacho, electronic, 0-8000 or greater to greater to fit
into our GT6 racer. anyone???
thanks, terry


From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Wed Mar 23 18:19:34 2011
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:19:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Unknown TR Part
Message-ID: <FEF147D7-EBF2-40C3-8BD9-4372B7869469@wi.rr.com>

FoT,

Does anyone know what the conical(half) shaped piece of metal is that  
is attached at the left (driver's side) mounting point for the  
steering rack? It sits about 1/2" in front of the lower left front  
corner of the engine block. Is it to prevent the engine from surging  
forward under extreme de-acceleration?

Allen


Allen & Jody Washatko
1971 TR6  - Number 6


From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 24 07:28:06 2011
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:28:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pain.head gaskets
Message-ID: <D129E022-1EB2-47AC-BEC5-D1989082D81C@gmail.com>

I just tried go order a payen head gasket for my TR4 and was informed that
payen has stopped producing them.  Anyone know of a suitable replacement for
the stock type head gasket?

Brad


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu Mar 24 08:01:04 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:01:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Unknown TR Part
References: <FEF147D7-EBF2-40C3-8BD9-4372B7869469@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <498F2EAFF072412289A8A3183207A49B@Charly>

Yes that is the purpose of it.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Allen Washatko" <awashatko at wi.rr.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 5:19 PM
Subject: [Fot] Unknown TR Part


> FoT,
>
> Does anyone know what the conical(half) shaped piece of metal is that
> is attached at the left (driver's side) mounting point for the
> steering rack? It sits about 1/2" in front of the lower left front
> corner of the engine block. Is it to prevent the engine from surging
> forward under extreme de-acceleration?
>
> Allen
>
>
> Allen & Jody Washatko
> 1971 TR6  - Number 6
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Mar 24 09:40:53 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:40:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 10   X   20   CANOPY FOR SALE
Message-ID: <8CDB850FE7ACEBC-1E78-E352@webmail-m130.sysops.aol.com>

 I have a little used canopy    10 x 20  with corner pieces and tie backs.

silver canopy with one small tear........ in very good condition.s

I will be at VIR in April.  And Button Willow & Laguna Seca in June

I have poles cut to length and may be able to transport if there is an
interest...in tube.

Thanks,  Joe


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu Mar 24 13:55:39 2011
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 14:55:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] canopy sale
Message-ID: <4D8BA1BB.4000602@bright.net>

We just returned from Sebring 12 hour. We purchased a new 10' x 20" 
canopy that we used as part of our booth.  Used for 5 days. White powder 
coated legs, white top and a pitched roof. The legs fit into each other 
so the disassembled package size is small. No need to figure out how to 
carry 10' poles. Anchors and tie downs never used (we tied onto the tent 
on either side of our booth). Roof has valences that come over the sides 
about 6" to keep out the "weather". Side walls fit up under these 
valences for a good seal. This is canopy and frame only. Side wall kits 
are readily available or make your own  from vinyl tarps.  This is a 
5-day-old-new unit - no tears and ready to go.  Thaks for your time. Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US&  Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Thu Mar 24 18:17:03 2011
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:17:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Unknown TR Part
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1103241007420.29336@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <6907A9C7-79EB-49FB-A28D-2A27287C3234@wi.rr.com>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Robert M. Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
> Date: March 24, 2011 9:15:39 AM CDT
> To: Allen Washatko <awashatko at wi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Unknown TR Part
>
> Hi,
>
> I've often pondered that piece. I can't recall for sure, but I'm  
> next to positive that it's there to keep the steering rack from  
> being able to move back in the case of a frontal collision. The  
> intent would be to limit damage to the driver - like being impaled  
> by the steering column.
>
> I don't know of that part was on the TR250, but I'm next to positive  
> it's on all TR6's.
>
> I do know that NHTSA or some similar goverenment safety entity  
> mandated some form of safety device to control the potential of  
> occupants getting impaled - US manufacturers mostly adopted  
> collapsable steering columns. Triumph had the challenge of the tight  
> space between the column and the engine on LHD cars. So a stop was  
> implimented.
>
> So, I think it's a stop to keep the steering rack and column from  
> intruding the passenger compartment in a frontal collision.
>
> I'll be interested to know what others reply on this topic.
>
> regards,
> rml
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bob Lang              Triumph TR6!!            |  This space for rent
> Former NER Solo Chair                          |
> Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Allen & Jody Washatko
1971 TR6  - Number 6


From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Thu Mar 24 18:17:13 2011
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:17:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Unknown TR Part
References: <498F2EAFF072412289A8A3183207A49B@Charly>
Message-ID: <C20F8DD2-74BC-4356-9CBD-63B029B1A24F@wi.rr.com>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Charly Mitchel" <charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
> Date: March 24, 2011 9:01:04 AM CDT
> To: "Allen Washatko" <awashatko at wi.rr.com>, "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net 
> >
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Unknown TR Part
>
> Yes that is the purpose of it.
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Washatko" <awashatko at wi.rr.com 
> >
> To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 5:19 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Unknown TR Part
>
>
>> FoT,
>>
>> Does anyone know what the conical(half) shaped piece of metal is that
>> is attached at the left (driver's side) mounting point for the
>> steering rack? It sits about 1/2" in front of the lower left front
>> corner of the engine block. Is it to prevent the engine from surging
>> forward under extreme de-acceleration?
>>
>> Allen
>>
>>
>> Allen & Jody Washatko
>> 1971 TR6  - Number 6
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com
>>
>

Jody & Allen Washatko
W51 N664 Highland Drive
Cedarburg, WI. 53012
USA

tel. (262) 617-6801


From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Thu Mar 24 18:17:27 2011
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:17:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Unknown TR Part
References: <746751.98648.qm@web87116.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48BEE3EB-016B-49B9-86F3-0E0412250299@wi.rr.com>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: JOSEPH HUGHES <tr5racer at btinternet.com>
> Date: March 24, 2011 4:49:15 AM CDT
> To: Allen Washatko <awashatko at wi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Unknown TR Part
>
> Dont know Allen, but I cut off the one on my race car chassis  
> several years ago as iit is easier to get the engine in without it  
> and it doesnt seem to have created any problems.
>
> Mike Hughes
>
> --- On Thu, 24/3/11, Allen Washatko <awashatko at wi.rr.com> wrote:
>
> From: Allen Washatko <awashatko at wi.rr.com>
> Subject: [Fot] Unknown TR Part
> To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: Thursday, 24 March, 2011, 0:19
>
> FoT,
>
> Does anyone know what the conical(half) shaped piece of metal is that
> is attached at the left (driver's side) mounting point for the
> steering rack? It sits about 1/2" in front of the lower left front
> corner of the engine block. Is it to prevent the engine from surging
> forward under extreme de-acceleration?
>
> Allen
>
>
> Allen & Jody Washatko
> 1971 TR6  - Number 6
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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>
>

Allen & Jody Washatko
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Thu Mar 24 22:28:50 2011
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 21:28:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pain.head gaskets
References: <D129E022-1EB2-47AC-BEC5-D1989082D81C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F9EA46FAD024BD5B4594CF4AD96391F@Pendys>

Brad; i have found that the Cometic gasket works good for my application 
with no issues.Fast and friendly service and they will build to suite. 
Mark
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Kahler" <bkahler1 at gmail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 6:28 AM
Subject: [Fot] Pain.head gaskets


>I just tried go order a payen head gasket for my TR4 and was informed that
> payen has stopped producing them.  Anyone know of a suitable replacement 
> for
> the stock type head gasket?
>
> Brad
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Mar 24 22:59:09 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:59:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil pressure line flare type
Message-ID: <20110325050103.71BB9187670@autox.team.net>

FoT

I bought one of Ted's braided oil pressure lines. I would like to shorten 

up the hard line coming from the filter head and was wondering if I could do
it

with a regular brake line flaring tool. Does anyone know if it's the same
flare ?

Thanks as always,

jim g


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Mar 25 09:22:36 2011
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:22:36 EDT
Subject: [Fot] BARRY MUNSON'S   NEW FOT PATCHES - AVAILABLE at VIR
Message-ID: <f1ad0.70cec256.3abe0d3c@cs.com>

FOT,

I will be at VIR and will bring a very limited number of the new patches 
that Barry had produced for us.  They are patterned after the CAR BADGES that 
Chris produced for us.    (FOT in ACTION)


If you want these patches please let me know and I will set aside one or 
more of them for you......they are very stylish.  If you are an active 
non-member of the FOT you will want at least one.

I only have eight of them, so speak up. Barry is donating the proceeds of 
these to the FOT.

Joe Alexander</HTML>


From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 25 09:25:20 2011
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:25:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pain.head gaskets
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik647LYq+cGxGJx_Z2JKUxn6X0p3P0oUVutH4dE@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D129E022-1EB2-47AC-BEC5-D1989082D81C@gmail.com>
	<4d8b7b67.6202e70a.2005.426cSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
	<AANLkTik647LYq+cGxGJx_Z2JKUxn6X0p3P0oUVutH4dE@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=RWQFOwHk0mZ3FnRoBWJRTdU4c2qeLeeCib9FK@mail.gmail.com>

Gotta love the iPhone and its spell checker.  Although considering the
"pain" I had to go through to get a "Payen" head gasket I guess it was
appropriate!

Tony,

Thanks for the info!  I called BPNorthwest and they still had the individual
head gaskets in stock so I ordered a few.  They were out of the head gasket
kits but the misc parts can be sourced separately.

All,

Thanks to all for your replies.  It looks like the Payen gasket kits are
definitely unavailable but it seems some places still have the individual
head gaskets.


On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> Brad, I just got 3 of them from British Parts Northwest...
> www.bpnorthwest.com
>
> - Tony
>
> At 08:28 AM 3/24/2011, you wrote:
>
>> I just tried go order a payen head gasket for my TR4 and was informed that
>> payen has stopped producing them.  Anyone know of a suitable replacement
>> for
>> the stock type head gasket?
>>
>> Brad
>> ___


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Mar 25 15:36:11 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 14:36:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pain.head gaskets
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=RWQFOwHk0mZ3FnRoBWJRTdU4c2qeLeeCib9FK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D129E022-1EB2-47AC-BEC5-D1989082D81C@gmail.com>
	<4d8b7b67.6202e70a.2005.426cSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
	<AANLkTik647LYq+cGxGJx_Z2JKUxn6X0p3P0oUVutH4dE@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=RWQFOwHk0mZ3FnRoBWJRTdU4c2qeLeeCib9FK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <073501cbeb34$a93bdad0$fbb39070$@rr.com>

> Gotta love the iPhone and its spell checker.  

That's a recurring theme in the joke newsgroups.  Some of them are pretty
funny.

-- Randall 


From igofaster at att.net  Fri Mar 25 16:09:21 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:09:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?
Message-ID: <116987.17552.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

FOT... TR6 engine mounts?

Just when I need some, Vicky Britt and Moss are a out over a month ..


Can ya help a brother out FOT?   

Bobby Whitehead


From igofaster at att.net  Fri Mar 25 16:27:28 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:27:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Build
Message-ID: <316673.11560.qm@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I posted a few weeks back about my GT6 build and attempt to get the car back and 
racing. My pilot buddy tells me not to beat myself up, because , you know , "the 
car did run after you rebuilt it right?"  Yes.. I got the car back together on 
the first engine I've tried to assemble in about 10 years.. 

First, I didn't understand the exact parameters of setting the timing up exactly 
on the cam. So, Lloyd over there at British Auto got the timing cover off and 
re-addressed the alignment and timing issue. Resolved.
The other issue Lloyd discovered was the harmonic balancer  was off about 22 
degrees. A rebuilt HB that had been misaligned apparently. Guess that could 
throw off a novice like me too...  So.. that's resolved. 

Rebuilt and assembled my engine 08-10-2010.. tried to run TWS 11-2010.. I've 
missed the first race weekend of this year, but now I think I've go the GT6 
dialed in a bit now..
I still have low-ish compression of about 135-140lbs, but I'm not running a zero 
deck block and my head is not aggressively shaved either. 

Going to do dyno runs at Speed Tech later this week for shits and giggles. I'll 
post those results! 


(If I don't blow it up)

Guess I'm doing the Lemons with Bob Kramer and the Kramer Krew at ECL this next 
month... my first...

All the best, FOT forever!
Bobby Whitehead


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Fri Mar 25 17:12:04 2011
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:12:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?
References: <116987.17552.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <74DE7E0820C34EAE9F400699EC028CD2@rocky>

Have you tried The Roadster Factory or TS Imports?

www.the-roadster-factory.com/indexmain.php, www.tsimportedautomotive.com/

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>
To: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 5:09 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?


> FOT... TR6 engine mounts?
>
> Just when I need some, Vicky Britt and Moss are a out over a month ..
>
>
> Can ya help a brother out FOT?
>
> Bobby Whitehead
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From tr6nut at verizon.net  Fri Mar 25 17:24:40 2011
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:24:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?
In-Reply-To: <116987.17552.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <116987.17552.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D8D2438.4060709@verizon.net>

I don't have any spare ones laying about, but I know if you want a 
heavier-duty version of the TR6 mounts, you can use TR8 mounts.  They 
have metric threads but are a bit beefier.


On 3/25/2011 06:09, Bobby Whitehead wrote:
> FOT... TR6 engine mounts?
>
> Just when I need some, Vicky Britt and Moss are a out over a month ..


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Fri Mar 25 20:47:32 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:47:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?
References: <116987.17552.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<74DE7E0820C34EAE9F400699EC028CD2@rocky>
Message-ID: <5E87E7589E804DFF894A48187A8559C4@Charly>

Have you tried British Parts NW?
http://www.bpnorthwest.com/.sc/ms/dd/ee/7568/Mount%20Engine%20TR250-TR6%20GT6

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>; "FoT Triumph" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?


> Have you tried The Roadster Factory or TS Imports?
>
> www.the-roadster-factory.com/indexmain.php, www.tsimportedautomotive.com/
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>
> To: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 5:09 PM
> Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?
>
>
>> FOT... TR6 engine mounts?
>>
>> Just when I need some, Vicky Britt and Moss are a out over a month ..
>>
>>
>> Can ya help a brother out FOT?
>>
>> Bobby Whitehead
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From RustyTR4 at aol.com  Sat Mar 26 06:44:38 2011
From: RustyTR4 at aol.com (RustyTR4 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:44:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?
Message-ID: <5602.301e5ccc.3abf39b6@aol.com>

If you still need some, I have a new pair here I can sell you, why don't  
you send me your ship to address so I can figure out what the cost will  be.
 
Matt
 
Triumph  Rescue
617 Walnut St.
Bally, Pa. 19503
610-845-8217
_www.triumphrescue.com_ (http://www.triumphrescue.com/) 

British  Wiring
617 Walnut St.
P.O. Box 185
Bally, Pa. 19503
_www.BritishWiring.com_ (http://www.britishwiring.com/)  


From jkhagen at charter.net  Sat Mar 26 09:00:39 2011
From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 11:00:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Pain.head gaskets
Message-ID: <22c68307.e134.12ef2ae6761.Webtop.43@charter.net>

FOTs'  The last few FEL PRO sets I ordered had Payen inside.  John Hagen 
VSCR


On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Brad Kahler wrote:

> I just tried go order a payen head gasket for my TR4 and was informed 
> that
> payen has stopped producing them.  Anyone know of a suitable 
> replacement for
> the stock type head gasket?
>
> Brad
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From igofaster at att.net  Sat Mar 26 09:03:20 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:03:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts...
Message-ID: <602991.41091.qm@web180804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Ted at TSI  helped me on the call ya'll ,,,,,   thanks FoT !!!
 

side note...  my late father was certified as an aircraft mechanic right out of 
Tech High School down here (for most of you) in Fort Worth...  yeah... it was in 
the day when you graduated high school and you actually were trained and 
certified in something that you could be employed by....  anyway, he used to get 
on me when I would use the term 'motor mounts' ...   "motor mounts are for 
motors like electric motor, not an engine" ... apparently an engine is what 
propels our cars and planes unless you drive a Leaf or Prius....  


Bobby Whitehead


From fpspitfire at comcast.net  Sat Mar 26 12:12:50 2011
From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:12:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] WTB: Spitfire 1500 alloy valve cover
Message-ID: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Looking for an alloy valve cover for a Spitfire.B  Can be either the black
version or the polished aluminium version.



any leads?



Aaron Johnson

#87 HP Spitfire 1500

Southern Illinois Regions SCCA


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Mar 26 15:20:46 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:20:46 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000401cbebfb$aee56920$0cb03b60$@com>

>From time to time you hear about a gear crush with cams and distributor
drive gear.

Is there found any reason why this happens?

If you look on these worn gears you see only one side of the cam gear teeth
are worn out the opposite side is in most cases okay.
Does this come from eccentric gear wheel?
Or is the distributor gear not in the right position (height) to fit the cam
gear?
The workshop manual has no hind to adjust the hight of the distributor gear.

Any ideas?

Cheers
Chris


From sbracing at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar 23 12:40:32 2011
From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:40:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-w55E73BA88436D8FBDE2735BAB30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Lucas Oil Products had a new racing only motor with claims of being high zinc
forified.
http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=276&catid=21&loc=sho
w&headTitle= - Lucas High Performance Racing Only Motor Oil
 
There is also a break-in oil with the same claims.
 
Thumbs Up - Steve

--- On Fri, 3/18/11, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>, "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 9:07 PM


FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded  oil  marketed as for flat
tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt.
They
list both conventional and semi-synthetic.

Marty
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 26 17:54:15 2011
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 16:54:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <000401cbebfb$aee56920$0cb03b60$@com>
References: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<000401cbebfb$aee56920$0cb03b60$@com>
Message-ID: <1B593CED-3C74-4EBC-B629-117FE697FC6F@earthlink.net>

My dad always used a shim cut by hand from an aluminum soft-drink can  
that fits under the dist. pedistal.  Never had a problem and it's  
still in the car.
A beer can would work too!  It raises it up a few thou.

~Steve


On Mar 26, 2011, at 2:20 PM, MadMarx wrote:

> From time to time you hear about a gear crush with cams and  
> distributor
drive gear.

Is there found any reason why this happens?

If you look on these worn gears you see only one side of the cam gear  
teeth
are worn out the opposite side is in most cases okay.
Does this come from eccentric gear wheel?
Or is the distributor gear not in the right position (height) to fit  
the cam
gear?
The workshop manual has no hind to adjust the hight of the distributor  
gear.

Any ideas?

Cheers
Chris
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Sat Mar 26 18:16:43 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 20:16:43 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Fitting
Message-ID: <1b3af.124a842d.3abfdbeb@aol.com>

A member of our Club had just recently replaced his fuel pump on his TR6  
and the outlet would not stop leaking.  A member of our Club went over to  
help him get it fixed.  I had mentioned that the nut and ferreule  were an 
unusual size and the last time I heard were NLA..  They went  all over the 
place to find them with no luck. I also told them that I had read  on the list 
to put two ferrules back to back.  They did that and it  worked.  Don't know 
why but it worked.  No leaks.  I hate to say  I told you so . . .
This list is invaluable.
Sam Clark
Green Country Triumphs


From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Mar 26 18:27:23 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 17:27:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <1B593CED-3C74-4EBC-B629-117FE697FC6F@earthlink.net>
References: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><000401cbebfb$aee56920$0cb03b60$@com>
	<1B593CED-3C74-4EBC-B629-117FE697FC6F@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <0cef01cbec15$be489fd0$0301a8c0@randall>

> My dad always used a shim cut by hand from an aluminum 
> soft-drink can  
> that fits under the dist. pedistal. 

If we're talking about a TRactor motor, there is a procedure in the book for
selecting that shim.  I believe it sets the end float for the intermediate
gear between the distributor and the camshaft, which also drives the oil
pump & tach.

-- Randall  


From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Mar 26 19:06:04 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:06:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Fitting
References: <1b3af.124a842d.3abfdbeb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2A5EF54C91744554BF7885C90587EE33@Bud>

I've also found that on a fitting i cannot match up, I take the part to my 
local NAPA store here in Sonoma, Ca....and they spend the time finding 
something that fits/works...Maybe it's just this store, but these guys will 
spend 20 minutes, and then the piece ends up costing 4-5 bucks..( I just had 
this experience with the oil feeder line on my Spitfire)
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <TRDOCTOR at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>; <triumphlist at autox.team.net>; 
<6-pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 5:16 PM
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Fitting


>A member of our Club had just recently replaced his fuel pump on his TR6
> and the outlet would not stop leaking.  A member of our Club went over to
> help him get it fixed.  I had mentioned that the nut and ferreule  were an
> unusual size and the last time I heard were NLA..  They went  all over the
> place to find them with no luck. I also told them that I had read  on the 
> list
> to put two ferrules back to back.  They did that and it  worked.  Don't 
> know
> why but it worked.  No leaks.  I hate to say  I told you so . . .
> This list is invaluable.
> Sam Clark
> Green Country Triumphs
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sat Mar 26 19:34:17 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:34:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
References: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><000401cbebfb$aee56920$0cb03b60$@com><1B593CED-3C74-4EBC-B629-117FE697FC6F@earthlink.net>
	<0cef01cbec15$be489fd0$0301a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <6E15B672B563443286854D9C912AE070@YOUR34FAFC1654>

I beleive it similar for the sixes as well.  I think I put a spacer in, 
measure the end float, subtract the spacer and come up with the distance, 
then add to get the proper end float and use a gasket or 2 of that thickness 
.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure


>> My dad always used a shim cut by hand from an aluminum
>> soft-drink can
>> that fits under the dist. pedistal.
>
> If we're talking about a TRactor motor, there is a procedure in the book 
> for
> selecting that shim.  I believe it sets the end float for the intermediate
> gear between the distributor and the camshaft, which also drives the oil
> pump & tach.
>
> -- Randall
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Sun Mar 27 01:30:48 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 03:30:48 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Fitting
Message-ID: <22ad3.78c6a817.3ac041a8@aol.com>

The problem here was that it such a PITA to get the line off of the car to  
do anything with it.  This solution just happened to work.
Sam
 
 
In a message dated 3/26/2011 8:06:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
budscars at comcast.net writes:

I've  also found that on a fitting i cannot match up, I take the part to my 
 
local NAPA store here in Sonoma, Ca....and they spend the time finding  
something that fits/works...Maybe it's just this store, but these guys  
will 
spend 20 minutes, and then the piece ends up costing 4-5 bucks..( I  just 
had 
this experience with the oil feeder line on my Spitfire)
Racer  Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <TRDOCTOR at aol.com>
To:  <fot at autox.team.net>; <triumphlist at autox.team.net>;  
<6-pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 5:16  PM
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Fitting


>A member of our Club had  just recently replaced his fuel pump on his TR6
> and the outlet would  not stop leaking.  A member of our Club went over to
> help him get  it fixed.  I had mentioned that the nut and ferreule  were  
an
> unusual size and the last time I heard were NLA..  They  went  all over 
the
> place to find them with no luck. I also told  them that I had read  on 
the 
> list
> to put two ferrules  back to back.  They did that and it  worked.  Don't 
>  know
> why but it worked.  No leaks.  I hate to say  I  told you so . . .
> This list is invaluable.
> Sam Clark
>  Green Country Triumphs
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Mar 27 03:58:00 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:58:00 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <0cef01cbec15$be489fd0$0301a8c0@randall>
References: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><000401cbebfb$aee56920$0cb03b60$@com>
	<1B593CED-3C74-4EBC-B629-117FE697FC6F@earthlink.net>
	<0cef01cbec15$be489fd0$0301a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <000301cbec65$75923800$60b6a800$@com>

You are all true with your statements but this is clearance and not mesh
adjustment.
The distributor gear is pressed down wards.
To move the gear in a different position you would have to fit shims "under"
the distributor gear to move it up or if you fit no spacers it gear sits on
the block face.
The workshop manual has no advice for moving the gear up or down, only a
clearance that is set with lifting the pedestal with shims.

Question:
If the distributor gear is running on the block face, is that the right
position?
If this is uncertain then how to measure the right mesh position?
Do I have to color the gears to see the contact point like if I would adjust
the rear axle?

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Randall
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Mdrz 2011 01:27
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

> My dad always used a shim cut by hand from an aluminum
> soft-drink can
> that fits under the dist. pedistal.

If we're talking about a TRactor motor, there is a procedure in the book for
selecting that shim.  I believe it sets the end float for the intermediate
gear between the distributor and the camshaft, which also drives the oil
pump & tach.

-- Randall
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Mar 27 04:36:24 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:36:24 +0200
Subject: [Fot] TR4 and F1
In-Reply-To: <22ad3.78c6a817.3ac041a8@aol.com>
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Seems that TR's are pace cars in current F1 :-)

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/bilder/zoom.php?c=1101aus&d=4&b=130120146
5&sort=1

Cheers
Chris


From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Mar 27 06:11:33 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 05:11:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <000301cbec65$75923800$60b6a800$@com>
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	<000301cbec65$75923800$60b6a800$@com>
Message-ID: <0d5d01cbec78$1d652670$0301a8c0@randall>

> If the distributor gear is running on the block face, is that 
> the right position?

The gear shouldn't run on the block face (again assuming we are talking
4-cylinder wet liner), but instead runs on top of a brass bushing (Stanpart
56405) that also carries the drive shaft to the oil pump.

So IMO if you want to move the gear upwards, the first step would be to
replace that bushing with a new one.  I believe that should give you the
proper position of the gear relative to the camshaft.  But if it needs to
come higher than that, I would suggest fitting shims between the flange of
the bushing and the cylinder block, so the gear continues to ride on the
bushing face.

> If this is uncertain then how to measure the right mesh position?
> Do I have to color the gears to see the contact point like if 
> I would adjust the rear axle?

Makes sense to me, but I've never tried it.

Randall


From jsnook at wcnet.org  Sun Mar 27 07:26:43 2011
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:26:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
Message-ID: <6020F0BA-10F1-40D1-BB90-38158582E40E@wcnet.org>

I'll be there with my TR3.

Who else is racing there?

Vroom, vroom,

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
419-344-0319


From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sun Mar 27 07:47:47 2011
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:47:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
In-Reply-To: <6020F0BA-10F1-40D1-BB90-38158582E40E@wcnet.org>
References: <6020F0BA-10F1-40D1-BB90-38158582E40E@wcnet.org>
Message-ID: <4D8F4003.8010607@141.com>

Yay! It will be great to see you again! It's been too long.

Brad and I plan to be there, with or without the car. See you then!

Keep Triumphing,
Susan     :)


On 3/27/2011 9:26 AM, Jeff Snook wrote:
> I'll be there with my TR3.
>
> Who else is racing there?
>
> Vroom, vroom,
>
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
> 419-344-0319
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sun Mar 27 07:52:53 2011
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:52:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <000301cbec65$75923800$60b6a800$@com>
References: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><000401cbebfb$aee56920$0cb03b60$@com>
	<1B593CED-3C74-4EBC-B629-117FE697FC6F@earthlink.net>
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On 3/27/2011 5:58 AM, MadMarx wrote:
> You are all true with your statements but this is clearance and not mesh
> adjustment.
> The distributor gear is pressed down wards.
> To move the gear in a different position you would have to fit shims "under"
> the distributor gear to move it up or if you fit no spacers it gear sits on
> the block face.
> The workshop manual has no advice for moving the gear up or down, only a
> clearance that is set with lifting the pedestal with shims.
>    
Chris, you are right and I gave you wrong advice, sorry.  I don't know 
how to move the gear upwards without somehow moving the brass bush that 
it rides on.  That would require pressing it up from inside the block, 
which might be done but by how much?  You do have the bush (Moss 
#836-240) installed, right?  I ask, as you mention the gear riding on 
the block face.  If it is installed correctly, it should just be a 
matter of shimming the pedestal.

I'm still trying to get my scanner to work, so can't send the workshop 
manual pages yet.
> Question:
> If the distributor gear is running on the block face, is that the right
> position?
> If this is uncertain then how to measure the right mesh position?
> Do I have to color the gears to see the contact point like if I would adjust
> the rear axle?
>
>    
White lithium grease works very well for that.

jim
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Randall
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Mdrz 2011 01:27
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph'
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
>    
>> My dad always used a shim cut by hand from an aluminum
>> soft-drink can
>> that fits under the dist. pedistal.
>>      
>
> If we're talking about a TRactor motor, there is a procedure in the book for
> selecting that shim.  I believe it sets the end float for the intermediate
> gear between the distributor and the camshaft, which also drives the oil
> pump&  tach.
>
> -- Randall
> _______________________________________________
>    

-- 
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99% finished, 90% to go


From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Sun Mar 27 09:40:14 2011
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:40:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
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References: <6020F0BA-10F1-40D1-BB90-38158582E40E@wcnet.org>
Message-ID: <001301cbec95$444efaa0$ccecefe0$@rr.com>

I'll be there and I believe Henry Frye also will be there as well as Mark
Wheatley. 
I found the car in the trailer out in a snow bank and have a path cleared to
the shop so hopefully it will be on the lift so I can look it over or at
least wipe off the oil and dirt.

Russ Moore
Spitfire #49

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jeff Snook
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Friends of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR

I'll be there with my TR3.

Who else is racing there?

Vroom, vroom,

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
419-344-0319
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Mar 27 09:58:20 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:58:20 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <0d5d01cbec78$1d652670$0301a8c0@randall>
References: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><000401cbebfb$aee56920$0cb03b60$@com><1B593CED-3C74-4EBC-B629-117FE697FC6F@earthlink.net><0cef01cbec15$be489fd0$0301a8c0@randall>
	<000301cbec65$75923800$60b6a800$@com>
	<0d5d01cbec78$1d652670$0301a8c0@randall>
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I ment with block face this brass face.
I didn't know that it is buyable bearing.
I never seen any of the with wear.

I never had any trouble with this gear but if failed last year and ruined a
good cam.

Any ideas why this gear do fail from time to time?

My idea was that it only fails on chilled cast cams and not on nitrate
hardened but a friend of mine had one failed that was nitrate hardened.

Could it be something that has to do with harmonic resonances of the cam?

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Randall
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Mdrz 2011 14:12
An: 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

> If the distributor gear is running on the block face, is that
> the right position?

The gear shouldn't run on the block face (again assuming we are talking
4-cylinder wet liner), but instead runs on top of a brass bushing (Stanpart
56405) that also carries the drive shaft to the oil pump.

So IMO if you want to move the gear upwards, the first step would be to
replace that bushing with a new one.  I believe that should give you the
proper position of the gear relative to the camshaft.  But if it needs to
come higher than that, I would suggest fitting shims between the flange of
the bushing and the cylinder block, so the gear continues to ride on the
bushing face.

> If this is uncertain then how to measure the right mesh position?
> Do I have to color the gears to see the contact point like if
> I would adjust the rear axle?

Makes sense to me, but I've never tried it.

Randall
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Sun Mar 27 10:35:05 2011
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:35:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] WTB: Spitfire 1500 alloy valve cover
In-Reply-To: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4D8F6739.8020200@bright.net>

Aaron,we have them in stock with fitting kit. Black or polished. Ted

On 3/26/2011 1:12 PM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote:
> Looking for an alloy valve cover for a Spitfire.B  Can be either the black
> version or the polished aluminium version.
>
>
>
> any leads?
>
>
>
> Aaron Johnson
>
> #87 HP Spitfire 1500
>
> Southern Illinois Regions SCCA
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Mar 27 10:40:20 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:40:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <4D8F4135.7080606@blacksburg.net>
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> I'm still trying to get my scanner to work, so can't send the 
> workshop manual pages yet.

Try this
http://tinyurl.com/4wffjgn

-- Randall  


From jkhagen at charter.net  Sun Mar 27 12:01:02 2011
From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:01:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
Message-ID: <6c0c4edf.1842f.12ef879eb01.Webtop.44@charter.net>

FOTs'--I have raced Chevy v8s and 1.6/1.8 MG motors and at high RPM they 
all struggle with oil pump/distributor gears.  Problem 1] old worn parts 
2] High RPM throws oil off the gears. Some cams are coming with lazer 
cut oil holes that feed the gear. 3] Some are adapting bronze gears 
which "seat" into cam gear better [and need to be replaced more often] 
--so-- Eliminate end play and driven gears should be "centered" on the 
cam gear --and--keep your RPMs low--OH-forget that last one.  John Hagen


On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 4:58 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> You are all true with your statements but this is clearance and not 
> mesh
> adjustment.
> The distributor gear is pressed down wards.
> To move the gear in a different position you would have to fit shims 
> "under"
> the distributor gear to move it up or if you fit no spacers it gear 
> sits on
> the block face.
> The workshop manual has no advice for moving the gear up or down, only 
> a
> clearance that is set with lifting the pedestal with shims.
>
> Question:
> If the distributor gear is running on the block face, is that the 
> right
> position?
> If this is uncertain then how to measure the right mesh position?
> Do I have to color the gears to see the contact point like if I would 
> adjust
> the rear axle?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Randall
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Mdrz 2011 01:27
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph'
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
>> My dad always used a shim cut by hand from an aluminum
>> soft-drink can
>> that fits under the dist. pedistal.
>
> If we're talking about a TRactor motor, there is a procedure in the 
> book for
> selecting that shim.  I believe it sets the end float for the 
> intermediate
> gear between the distributor and the camshaft, which also drives the 
> oil
> pump & tach.
>
> -- Randall
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Mar 27 13:30:31 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:30:31 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <000f01cbeca7$ab265220$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0>
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	<000f01cbeca7$ab265220$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0>
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When I look at the gears of some cams I get the impress that occasionally
the wrong angle for the teeth has been cut on. I don't know why this is.

Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: William Dewar [mailto:pcdelux at verizon.net]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Mdrz 2011 19:52
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

Chris,

 In the past I have seen this gear damaged two ways. First if the end float
of gear set too tight. Second is a
failure shortly after replacement cam installed. Not sure
why replaced cams caused the failure. Assumed gear on
cam was made wrong.

Bill DeWar
----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: "'Friends of Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure


> I ment with block face this brass face.
> I didn't know that it is buyable bearing.
> I never seen any of the with wear.
>
> I never had any trouble with this gear but if failed last year and ruined
a
> good cam.
>
> Any ideas why this gear do fail from time to time?
>
> My idea was that it only fails on chilled cast cams and not on nitrate
> hardened but a friend of mine had one failed that was nitrate hardened.
>
> Could it be something that has to do with harmonic resonances of the cam?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Randall
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Mdrz 2011 14:12
> An: 'Friends of Triumph'
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
> > If the distributor gear is running on the block face, is that
> > the right position?
>
> The gear shouldn't run on the block face (again assuming we are talking
> 4-cylinder wet liner), but instead runs on top of a brass bushing
(Stanpart
> 56405) that also carries the drive shaft to the oil pump.
>
> So IMO if you want to move the gear upwards, the first step would be to
> replace that bushing with a new one.  I believe that should give you the
> proper position of the gear relative to the camshaft.  But if it needs to
> come higher than that, I would suggest fitting shims between the flange of
> the bushing and the cylinder block, so the gear continues to ride on the
> bushing face.
>
> > If this is uncertain then how to measure the right mesh position?
> > Do I have to color the gears to see the contact point like if
> > I would adjust the rear axle?
>
> Makes sense to me, but I've never tried it.
>
> Randall
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sun Mar 27 13:36:27 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:36:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tr4-6 Clutch Hydraulics
Message-ID: <43ABE2F9-4BDC-43A8-822D-8EB896F178D9@me.com>

I'm adapting a TR6 trans to my GT6. It belatedly occurred to me that  
the proportions between the slave and master cylinders may be  
different from a GT6 to a TR, and I won't end up with enough throw-out  
bearing travel if I use the GT6 bits.  What is the diameter of the  
master cylinder piston and the slave on a TR4 or TR6?  The GT6 is 5/8"  
master and 1" slave.

Thanks!

Scott Janzen
'68 GT6


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Mar 27 14:05:20 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:05:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
In-Reply-To: <6020F0BA-10F1-40D1-BB90-38158582E40E@wcnet.org>
References: <6020F0BA-10F1-40D1-BB90-38158582E40E@wcnet.org>
Message-ID: <20110327200534.B952A187651@autox.team.net>

I'll be there with me TR-4.  Just got the engine bolted in last 
night, should make the "big noise" later today.

- Tony Drews

At 08:26 AM 3/27/2011, Jeff Snook wrote:
>I'll be there with my TR3.
>
>Who else is racing there?
>
>Vroom, vroom,
>
>Jeff Snook
>http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
>419-344-0319
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From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Sun Mar 27 14:48:25 2011
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 07:48:25 +1100
Subject: [Fot] TR4 and F1
In-Reply-To: <000a01cbec6a$d350d690$79f283b0$@com>
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	<000a01cbec6a$d350d690$79f283b0$@com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAG+iKtFAIlBNjT8ZGzk00FIBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>

Chris,
You are correct! Triumph Sports Owners Association (TSOA) in Victoria scored
another coup this year in getting TR4's in as the driver parade lap cars. We
have a few people in our ranks that follow this opportunity up diligently
each year to give us a fighting chance at the opportunity. Thus far we have
had TR3's, TR4's twice and Stag's. So I guess we are doing well in the
stakes!





-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Sunday, 27 March 2011 9:36 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] TR4 and F1

Seems that TR's are pace cars in current F1 :-)

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/bilder/zoom.php?c=1101aus&d=4&b=130120146
5&sort=1

Cheers
Chris
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Sun Mar 27 15:07:19 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:07:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
Message-ID: <350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>

Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with regrounds ever since.

Bob Kramer
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless


-----Original message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: &apos;Friends of Triumph&apos; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Mar 27, 2011 16:21:38 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

I ment with block face this brass face.
I didn't know that it is buyable bearing.
I never seen any of the with wear.

I never had any trouble with this gear but if failed last year and ruined a
good cam.

Any ideas why this gear do fail from time to time?

My idea was that it only fails on chilled cast cams and not on nitrate
hardened but a friend of mine had one failed that was nitrate hardened.

Could it be something that has to do with harmonic resonances of the cam?

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Randall
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Mdrz 2011 14:12
An: 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

> If the distributor gear is running on the block face, is that
> the right position?

The gear shouldn't run on the block face (again assuming we are talking
4-cylinder wet liner), but instead runs on top of a brass bushing (Stanpart
56405) that also carries the drive shaft to the oil pump.

So IMO if you want to move the gear upwards, the first step would be to
replace that bushing with a new one.  I believe that should give you the
proper position of the gear relative to the camshaft.  But if it needs to
come higher than that, I would suggest fitting shims between the flange of
the bushing and the cylinder block, so the gear continues to ride on the
bushing face.

> If this is uncertain then how to measure the right mesh position?
> Do I have to color the gears to see the contact point like if
> I would adjust the rear axle?

Makes sense to me, but I've never tried it.

Randall
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 27 16:30:45 2011
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:30:45 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
Message-ID: <3465289.1301265045347.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

This is the list of entrants we have so far. Hopefully a few folks setting on the fence will enter this week. 

Mike 

Tony Drews         Triumph TR-4 
Henry Frye         Triumph TR4 
ALLEN GOODE        TRIUMPH TR4-A 
John Hasty         Triumph TR3A 
Don Marshall       Triumph TR4A 
Russ Moore         Triumph Spitfire 
Tim Slater         Triumph Spitfire 
Jeff Snook         Triumph TR3A 
Dean Tetterton     Triumph TR3A 
Mark Wheatley      Triumph TR-4 
Bob Wismer         Toronado Thunderbolt 



-----Original Message----- 
>From: Spitfire Racing 
>Sent: Mar 27, 2011 11:40 AM 
>To: 'Jeff Snook' , 'Friends of Triumph' 
>Subject: Re: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR 
> 
>I'll be there and I believe Henry Frye also will be there as well as Mark 
>Wheatley. 
>I found the car in the trailer out in a snow bank and have a path cleared to 
>the shop so hopefully it will be on the lift so I can look it over or at 
>least wipe off the oil and dirt. 
> 
>Russ Moore 
>Spitfire #49 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On 
>Behalf Of Jeff Snook 
>Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:27 AM 
>To: Friends of Triumph 
>Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR 
> 
>I'll be there with my TR3. 
> 
>Who else is racing there? 
> 
>Vroom, vroom, 
> 
>Jeff Snook 
>http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 
>419-344-0319 
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 27 17:27:12 2011
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:27:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
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Message-ID: <712519.70190.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Don't forget that my TVR has a Triumph TR4 motor - that's why I call it a 2200
'Special'
I'll be in the Getto.

Dennis


This is the list of entrants we have
so far. Hopefully a few folks setting on 
the fence will enter this week.
Mike 

Tony Drews        Triumph TR-4 
Henry Frye        Triumph TR4 
ALLEN
GOODE        TRIUMPH TR4-A 
John Hasty        Triumph TR3A 
Don Marshall     
Triumph TR4A 
Russ Moore        Triumph Spitfire 
Tim Slater        Triumph
Spitfire 
Jeff Snook        Triumph TR3A 
Dean Tetterton    Triumph TR3A 
Mark
Wheatley      Triumph TR-4 
Bob Wismer        Toronado Thunderbolt
-----Original Message----- 
>From: Spitfire Racing 
>Sent: Mar 27, 2011 11:40
AM 
>To: 'Jeff Snook' , 'Friends of Triumph' 
>Subject: Re: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
> 
>I'll be there and I believe Henry Frye also will be there as well as Mark
>Wheatley. 
>I found the car in the trailer out in a snow bank and have a path
cleared to 
>the shop so hopefully it will be on the lift so I can look it
over or at 
>least wipe off the oil and dirt. 
> 
>Russ Moore 
>Spitfire #49
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On 
>Behalf Of Jeff Snook 
>Sent: Sunday,
March 27, 2011 9:27 AM 
>To: Friends of Triumph 
>Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR 
>
>I'll be there with my TR3. 
> 
>Who else is racing there? 
> 
>Vroom, vroom,
> 
>Jeff Snook 
>http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 
>419-344-0319
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 27 18:26:38 2011
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:26:38 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
Message-ID: <19199536.1301271999001.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Yea, guilty of just sorting by Triumph.


-----Original Message-----
>From: Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
>Sent: Mar 27, 2011 7:27 PM
>To: Mike Jackson <grandwazoo at earthlink.net>, Friends of Triumph
<fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
>
>Don't forget that my TVR has a Triumph TR4 motor - that's why I call it a
2200
>'Special'
>I'll be in the Getto.
>
>Dennis
>
>
>This is the list of entrants we have so far. Hopefully a few folks setting on
>the fence will enter this week.
>
>
>Mike
>
>Tony DrewsB  B  B  B  Triumph TR-4
>Henry FryeB  B  B  B  Triumph TR4
>ALLEN GOODEB  B  B  B  TRIUMPH TR4-A
>John HastyB  B  B  B  Triumph TR3A
>Don MarshallB  B  B  Triumph TR4A
>Russ MooreB  B  B  B  Triumph Spitfire
>Tim SlaterB  B  B  B  Triumph Spitfire
>Jeff SnookB  B  B  B  Triumph TR3A
>Dean TettertonB  B  Triumph TR3A
>Mark WheatleyB  B  B  Triumph TR-4
>Bob WismerB  B  B  B  Toronado Thunderbolt
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Spitfire Racing
>>Sent: Mar 27, 2011 11:40 AM
>>To: 'Jeff Snook' , 'Friends of Triumph'
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
>>
>>I'll be there and I believe Henry Frye also will be there as well as Mark
>>Wheatley.
>>I found the car in the trailer out in a snow bank and have a path cleared to
>>the shop so hopefully it will be on the lift so I can look it over or at
>>least wipe off the oil and dirt.
>>
>>Russ Moore
>>Spitfire #49
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>>Behalf Of Jeff Snook
>>Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:27 AM
>>To: Friends of Triumph
>>Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
>>
>>I'll be there with my TR3.
>>
>>Who else is racing there?
>>
>>Vroom, vroom,
>>
>>Jeff Snook
>>http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
>>419-344-0319
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Mar 28 08:11:46 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:11:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
In-Reply-To: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7E764A88A29643C6B62538107BDCED29@gdhs.local>

Brad-Penn 20/50 seems to work well for us.....

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil


Lucas Oil Products had a new racing only motor with claims of being high
zinc forified.
http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=276&catid=21&loc=sh
o
w&headTitle= - Lucas High Performance Racing Only Motor Oil

There is also a break-in oil with the same claims.

Thumbs Up - Steve

--- On Fri, 3/18/11, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>, "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 9:07 PM


FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded  oil  marketed as for flat
tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt.
They list both conventional and semi-synthetic.

Marty
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Mon Mar 28 08:22:03 2011
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:22:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
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	<7E764A88A29643C6B62538107BDCED29@gdhs.local>
Message-ID: <000501cbed53$84685690$8d3903b0$@rr.com>

I agree on the Brad Penn. I also use their Break-In oil. With the amount we
invest in an engine build I'm sure not going on the cheap to save a couple
of bucks for oil and risk losing the engine. BP has worked well for me so
why change?

Russ Moore
Spitfire

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of John Hasty
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:12 AM
To: 'Steven Benford Jr'; 'FOT'; 'Triumph List'; 'marty sukey'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil

Brad-Penn 20/50 seems to work well for us.....

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil


Lucas Oil Products had a new racing only motor with claims of being high
zinc forified.
http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=276&catid=21&loc=sh
o
w&headTitle= - Lucas High Performance Racing Only Motor Oil

There is also a break-in oil with the same claims.

Thumbs Up - Steve

--- On Fri, 3/18/11, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>, "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 9:07 PM


FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded  oil  marketed as for flat
tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt.
They list both conventional and semi-synthetic.

Marty
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Mon Mar 28 08:36:42 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:36:42 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
Message-ID: <3caeb.3686850f.3ac1f6fa@aol.com>

What about the Red Line products?  
 
Sam
Green Country Triumphs
 
 
In a message dated 3/28/2011 9:28:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com writes:

I agree  on the Brad Penn. I also use their Break-In oil. With the amount we
invest  in an engine build I'm sure not going on the cheap to save a couple
of  bucks for oil and risk losing the engine. BP has worked well for me so
why  change?

Russ Moore
Spitfire

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Sent:  Monday, March 28, 2011 10:12 AM
To: 'Steven Benford Jr'; 'FOT'; 'Triumph  List'; 'marty sukey'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil

Brad-Penn 20/50  seems to work well for us.....

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Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 2:41 PM
To: FOT;  Triumph List; marty sukey
Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil


Lucas Oil  Products had a new racing only motor with claims of being high
zinc  forified.
http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=276&catid=21&loc=sh
o
w&headTitle=  - Lucas High Performance Racing Only Motor Oil

There is also a break-in  oil with the same claims.

Thumbs Up - Steve

--- On Fri, 3/18/11,  marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: marty sukey  <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
To: "FOT"  <fot at autox.team.net>, "Triumph List"  <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 9:07  PM


FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded   oil  marketed as for 
flat
tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of  ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt.
They list both conventional and  semi-synthetic.

Marty
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Mar 28 10:19:26 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:19:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
Message-ID: <4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com>

I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like 
to know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.

I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was 
due to a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks 
from the UK and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into 
Jack's  Mine never failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had 
another problem with a valve hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I 
believe the force of  the impact was transmitted through the pushrods to 
the cam causing deflection and misalignment of the gears.  This occurred 
at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.

More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in 
the UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss, 
BPNW, etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we 
don't hear of may gear failures.

- Larry Young

On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
> Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with regrounds ever since.
>
> Bob Kramer


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Mar 28 10:37:49 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:37:49 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
	<4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <000601cbed66$7ad18670$70749350$@com>

Could it be an oil pressure issue?
When I installed the cam I also installed a new crank with a smaller bearing
clearance.
The oil pressure was pretty good after that.
Cold close 100 psi, hot around 85-90 psi.
I didn't change the relive valve and ran that engine several races with this
high oil pressure.
Maybe the gear failed from too much stress caused by the oil pump?

Had Jack too much oil pressure?

Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Larry Young
Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:19
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like
to know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.

I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was
due to a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks
from the UK and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into
Jack's  Mine never failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had
another problem with a valve hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I
believe the force of  the impact was transmitted through the pushrods to
the cam causing deflection and misalignment of the gears.  This occurred
at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.

More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in
the UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss,
BPNW, etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we
don't hear of may gear failures.

- Larry Young

On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
> Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had
incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with
regrounds ever since.
>
> Bob Kramer
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon Mar 28 10:42:08 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 06:42:08 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
	<4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <F576BEB8-8B05-4BEC-B14A-DC794AAA3437@bnj.com>

I think the most common gear failure comes from not having the distributor
tower clearance set. I destroyed a cam that way. Replaced the tower with an
aluminum one and didn't get the clearance right. Applies too much drag to the
shaft. You would think this gear engagement would be a lot more critical since
it drives the oil pump, which takes a lot of power, but in high mileage street
engines I've dismantled the cam and distributor gear always look fine. I think
the power demand of the pump must not be that much different in a street car
since all a race car needs for the weak drive connection to survive is
removing the stress risers in the slot.

On Mar 28, 2011, at 6:19 AM, Larry Young wrote:

> I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like to
know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.
>
> I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was due to
a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks from the UK
and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into Jack's  Mine never
failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had another problem with a valve
hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I believe the force of  the impact was
transmitted through the pushrods to the cam causing deflection and
misalignment of the gears.  This occurred at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.
>
> More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in the
UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss, BPNW,
etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we don't hear
of may gear failures.
>
> - Larry Young
>
> On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
>> Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had
incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with regrounds
ever since.
>>
>> Bob Kramer
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Mar 28 10:45:11 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:45:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <000601cbed66$7ad18670$70749350$@com>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
	<4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com> <000601cbed66$7ad18670$70749350$@com>
Message-ID: <20110328164527.3735A18786A@autox.team.net>

Interesting theory.  Jack did not have too much oil pressure when the 
gear failed.

- Tony

At 11:37 AM 3/28/2011, MadMarx wrote:
>Could it be an oil pressure issue?
>When I installed the cam I also installed a new crank with a smaller bearing
>clearance.
>The oil pressure was pretty good after that.
>Cold close 100 psi, hot around 85-90 psi.
>I didn't change the relive valve and ran that engine several races with this
>high oil pressure.
>Maybe the gear failed from too much stress caused by the oil pump?
>
>Had Jack too much oil pressure?
>
>Chris
>
>
>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>Auftrag von Larry Young
>Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:19
>An: fot at autox.team.net
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
>I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like
>to know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.
>
>I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was
>due to a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks
>from the UK and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into
>Jack's  Mine never failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had
>another problem with a valve hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I
>believe the force of  the impact was transmitted through the pushrods to
>the cam causing deflection and misalignment of the gears.  This occurred
>at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.
>
>More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in
>the UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss,
>BPNW, etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we
>don't hear of may gear failures.
>
>- Larry Young
>
>On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
> > Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had
>incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with
>regrounds ever since.
> >
> > Bob Kramer


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Mar 28 10:49:46 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:49:46 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <4d90bb1c.843f2b0a.5242.ffff9d23SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
	<4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com> <000601cbed66$7ad18670$70749350$@com>
	<4d90bb1c.843f2b0a.5242.ffff9d23SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <000f01cbed68$26a2b450$73e81cf0$@com>

Maybe it is a combination of things.
- Too much oil pressure which rises the gear load
- high lift cams which don't continuously spin, they have a pulsing rotation
caused by valve and springs
- high revs which can cause resonances on the front part of the cam where
the gear sits

This could result in some kind of pitting that starts to end the story.

But very difficult to tell.

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:45
An: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

Interesting theory.  Jack did not have too much oil pressure when the
gear failed.

- Tony

At 11:37 AM 3/28/2011, MadMarx wrote:
>Could it be an oil pressure issue?
>When I installed the cam I also installed a new crank with a smaller
bearing
>clearance.
>The oil pressure was pretty good after that.
>Cold close 100 psi, hot around 85-90 psi.
>I didn't change the relive valve and ran that engine several races with
this
>high oil pressure.
>Maybe the gear failed from too much stress caused by the oil pump?
>
>Had Jack too much oil pressure?
>
>Chris
>
>
>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>Auftrag von Larry Young
>Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:19
>An: fot at autox.team.net
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
>I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like
>to know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.
>
>I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was
>due to a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks
>from the UK and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into
>Jack's  Mine never failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had
>another problem with a valve hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I
>believe the force of  the impact was transmitted through the pushrods to
>the cam causing deflection and misalignment of the gears.  This occurred
>at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.
>
>More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in
>the UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss,
>BPNW, etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we
>don't hear of may gear failures.
>
>- Larry Young
>
>On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
> > Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had
>incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with
>regrounds ever since.
> >
> > Bob Kramer


From barry at penybryn.ca  Mon Mar 28 12:44:59 2011
From: barry at penybryn.ca (Barry Munson)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:44:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR5/250 Workshop Manual
Message-ID: <000401cbed78$40170520$c0450f60$@ca>

Amici - During my library collection phase I purchased a workshop manual
collection from a former British car repair shop. Included in that
collection was an original factory manual for 1968 TR5/250. This manual is
368 pages in length and is poor shape - has no cover and is well used.
Because of its shape I would never consider selling it however it is
complete and maybe useful to a member. If anyone is interested drop me a
note and I'll send to you gratis.

Barry.


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Mar 28 14:10:10 2011
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:10:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky>

The thing about these "For Racing Only" or "Not street legal" oils, as 
explained to me by my engine builder, is they are high-zinc oils that are 
especially friendly to flat-tappet engines like my Spitfire, but apparently 
exceed EPA emissions standards. Valvoline also has it.

In that respect, NOT the same as (better than!) "racing oil" or other 
synthetics. I've gone from Valvoline Durablend to Valvoline full synthetic 
to this black-bottle stuff. Which you may not be able to buy at your corner 
auto parts store (I tried, O'Reilly's said they can't get it).

So I Googled "motor oil not street legal" last week and where did I find it? 
Amazon! Books, CDs, racing oil -- LOL. Got two cases on the way, $57 each!

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Benford Jr" <sbracing at sbcglobal.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>; "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>; 
"marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil


> Lucas Oil Products had a new racing only motor with claims of being high 
> zinc
> forified.
> http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=276&catid=21&loc=sho
> w&headTitle= - Lucas High Performance Racing Only Motor Oil
>
> There is also a break-in oil with the same claims.
>
> Thumbs Up - Steve
>
> --- On Fri, 3/18/11, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>, "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 9:07 PM
>
>
> FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded  oil  marketed as for 
> flat
> tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt.
> They
> list both conventional and semi-synthetic.
>
> Marty
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From barry at penybryn.ca  Mon Mar 28 20:40:22 2011
From: barry at penybryn.ca (Barry Munson)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:40:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR5/250 Manual
Message-ID: <000101cbedba$a82e07c0$f88a1740$@ca>

Amici - The manual has gone to Randall Young and the quote below indicates
what he intends to do with it:

 

 

"Hi Barry,

> 

> I am definitely interested.  Hopefully I can add it to my pile of 

> Triumph documents to be scanned and shared with the community.  It 

> seems a shame to cut apart a manual that is in good condition (so it 

> can go through the page feeder), but it doesn't sound like that would 

> apply to your copy.

> 

> If you are interested, you can see my modest collection at:

> http://tinyurl.com/56gylc

> 

> -- Randall"

 

-       Barry.


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Mon Mar 28 20:50:52 2011
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:50:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <000f01cbed68$26a2b450$73e81cf0$@com>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
	<4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com> <000601cbed66$7ad18670$70749350$@com>
	<4d90bb1c.843f2b0a.5242.ffff9d23SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
	<000f01cbed68$26a2b450$73e81cf0$@com>
Message-ID: <000001cbedbc$1e56ca30$5b045e90$@rr.com>

Interesting thought about too much oil pressure.  Whats too much?

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:50 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

Maybe it is a combination of things.
- Too much oil pressure which rises the gear load
- high lift cams which don't continuously spin, they have a pulsing rotation
caused by valve and springs
- high revs which can cause resonances on the front part of the cam where
the gear sits

This could result in some kind of pitting that starts to end the story.

But very difficult to tell.

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:45
An: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

Interesting theory.  Jack did not have too much oil pressure when the
gear failed.

- Tony

At 11:37 AM 3/28/2011, MadMarx wrote:
>Could it be an oil pressure issue?
>When I installed the cam I also installed a new crank with a smaller
bearing
>clearance.
>The oil pressure was pretty good after that.
>Cold close 100 psi, hot around 85-90 psi.
>I didn't change the relive valve and ran that engine several races with
this
>high oil pressure.
>Maybe the gear failed from too much stress caused by the oil pump?
>
>Had Jack too much oil pressure?
>
>Chris
>
>
>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>Auftrag von Larry Young
>Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:19
>An: fot at autox.team.net
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
>I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like
>to know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.
>
>I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was
>due to a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks
>from the UK and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into
>Jack's  Mine never failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had
>another problem with a valve hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I
>believe the force of  the impact was transmitted through the pushrods to
>the cam causing deflection and misalignment of the gears.  This occurred
>at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.
>
>More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in
>the UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss,
>BPNW, etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we
>don't hear of may gear failures.
>
>- Larry Young
>
>On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
> > Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had
>incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with
>regrounds ever since.
> >
> > Bob Kramer
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon Mar 28 20:53:10 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:53:10 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <000001cbedbc$1e56ca30$5b045e90$@rr.com>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
	<4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com> <000601cbed66$7ad18670$70749350$@com>
	<4d90bb1c.843f2b0a.5242.ffff9d23SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
	<000f01cbed68$26a2b450$73e81cf0$@com>
	<000001cbedbc$1e56ca30$5b045e90$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <68B49CD5-AE0F-4A8E-9DE3-9884A9FF9044@bnj.com>

I've heard anything more than 10 pounds per thousand RPM is a waste of power.
On Mar 28, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:

> Interesting thought about too much oil pressure.  Whats too much?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of MadMarx
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:50 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
> Maybe it is a combination of things.
> - Too much oil pressure which rises the gear load
> - high lift cams which don't continuously spin, they have a pulsing
rotation
> caused by valve and springs
> - high revs which can cause resonances on the front part of the cam where
> the gear sits
>
> This could result in some kind of pitting that starts to end the story.
>
> But very difficult to tell.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:45
> An: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
> Interesting theory.  Jack did not have too much oil pressure when the
> gear failed.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 11:37 AM 3/28/2011, MadMarx wrote:
>> Could it be an oil pressure issue?
>> When I installed the cam I also installed a new crank with a smaller
> bearing
>> clearance.
>> The oil pressure was pretty good after that.
>> Cold close 100 psi, hot around 85-90 psi.
>> I didn't change the relive valve and ran that engine several races with
> this
>> high oil pressure.
>> Maybe the gear failed from too much stress caused by the oil pump?
>>
>> Had Jack too much oil pressure?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>> Auftrag von Larry Young
>> Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:19
>> An: fot at autox.team.net
>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>>
>> I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like
>> to know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.
>>
>> I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was
>> due to a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks
>> from the UK and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into
>> Jack's  Mine never failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had
>> another problem with a valve hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I
>> believe the force of  the impact was transmitted through the pushrods to
>> the cam causing deflection and misalignment of the gears.  This occurred
>> at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.
>>
>> More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in
>> the UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss,
>> BPNW, etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we
>> don't hear of may gear failures.
>>
>> - Larry Young
>>
>> On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
>>> Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had
>> incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with
>> regrounds ever since.
>>>
>>> Bob Kramer
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 29 00:35:19 2011
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:35:19 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 RS [Rat Sport] - PFI
Message-ID: <99190159-5269-49E0-9F00-57EBB6C383EF@earthlink.net>

PFI: Purely financial interest...
http://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/2292724483.html

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 07:08:30 2011
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:08:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues
In-Reply-To: <002001cbe2be$36263b90$a272b2b0$@rr.com>
References: <002001cbe2be$36263b90$a272b2b0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <D72B3218-0036-4F9D-B9F2-81A2BD440BA8@gmail.com>

While we're on the subject, for what it's worth --

A friend passed this on to me -- using a 1.5 ohm coil with with a _plastic_
rubbing block and no ballast resistor, the heat generated is enough to start
melting the rubbing block. If the rubbing block is fiber, there shouldn't be a
problem, but if it's plastic, there needs to be a ballast resistor or a higher
resistance coil.

Duncan

On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:08 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:

> First off let me thank the folks that provided good feedback to my question
> regarding the car not wanting to rev.  I am in the diagnostic phase and
this
> is what I have found so far:
>
>
>
> As a recap, I am running the Mallory dual point.  Fresh points, rotor,
> condenser (grounded), and cap.
>
> The total dwell at 1100 rpm it is 40 and at 3500+ rpm it is 45. I assume
> that dwell should not change over the rpm range and this condition is
> indicative that something is wrong. I removed the cap and rotor and I can
> move the top of the shaft far enough back and forth (side to side) to cause
> the points to open and close. This distributor has 6 race weekends on it.
>
> Could the shaft have already worn the bushings? I've read that Mallory will
> not sell you replacement bushing or bearings as they want to rebuild the
> unit.  Are there any alternative suggestions?
>
> Do you guys leave the felt rubbing block in place on the points?  I have
> them in place now, but I don't remember seeing a Lucas point set that uses
> felt pads like that.  Maybe they are a good thing.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Greg
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From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net  Tue Mar 29 15:58:30 2011
From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:58:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
In-Reply-To: <9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky>
Message-ID: <83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC>

I've been using the Valvoline NSL 10w30 dyno (also comes in straight grades) 
in my Spitty 1300 racer now for over a year.   Blackstone Labs has analyzed 
a sample after two week ends at TWS and reported that it was still healthy 
with no contaminates.  It's labeled for a 500 mile life span and I get it at 
my local NAPA store (they will order if not in stock) for $5.50 a quart in 
6-packs.

Bill Collins
DFW, TX
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: "Steven Benford Jr" <sbracing at sbcglobal.net>; "FOT" 
<fot at autox.team.net>; "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>; "martysukey" 
<trmarty at hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 15:10
Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil


> The thing about these "For Racing Only" or "Not street legal" oils, as 
> explained to me by my engine builder, is they are high-zinc oils that are 
> especially friendly to flat-tappet engines like my Spitfire, but 
> apparently exceed EPA emissions standards. Valvoline also has it.
>
> In that respect, NOT the same as (better than!) "racing oil" or other 
> synthetics. I've gone from Valvoline Durablend to Valvoline full synthetic 
> to this black-bottle stuff. Which you may not be able to buy at your 
> corner auto parts store (I tried, O'Reilly's said they can't get it).
>
> So I Googled "motor oil not street legal" last week and where did I find 
> it? Amazon! Books, CDs, racing oil -- LOL. Got two cases on the way, $57 
> each!
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steven Benford Jr" <sbracing at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>; "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>; 
> "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil
>
>
>> Lucas Oil Products had a new racing only motor with claims of being high 
>> zinc
>> forified.
>> http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=276&catid=21&loc=sho
>> w&headTitle= - Lucas High Performance Racing Only Motor Oil
>>
>> There is also a break-in oil with the same claims.
>>
>> Thumbs Up - Steve
>>
>> --- On Fri, 3/18/11, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
>> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>, "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 9:07 PM
>>
>>
>> FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded  oil  marketed as for 
>> flat
>> tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt.
>> They
>> list both conventional and semi-synthetic.
>>
>> Marty
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Mar 29 16:43:13 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:43:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <000f01cbed68$26a2b450$73e81cf0$@com>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
	<4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com> <000601cbed66$7ad18670$70749350$@com>
	<4d90bb1c.843f2b0a.5242.ffff9d23SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
	<000f01cbed68$26a2b450$73e81cf0$@com>
Message-ID: <4D926081.8040109@pobox.com>

*** If you don't like technical discussion hit delete now ***

I have done a fair amount of work on valve train dynamics, to calculate 
the cyclical forces Chris talks about. Some graphs are at 
www.tildentechnologies.com/images/Dynamics.html and the bottom of the 
Triumph Cam Page - www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/TriumphCams.html . 
This is probably more information than most people want to see, but I'll 
give a little explanation anyway.  This is not resonance, but just due 
to vibration at the natural frequency of the valve train, which is about 
900 hz for a TR4. The highest forces occur due to a combination of 
inertial and spring forces when the valve first starts to open.  1000 
lbs of force and a deflection of 0.010 inches is not unusual. I am 
always amazed that the pushrods can support that much force, but it is 
only for a split second (1 msec at 6,000 RPM).  This is the reason I 
like to use new blanks, because the larger diameter shaft increases its 
stiffness significantly.

Larry

On 3/28/2011 11:49 AM, MadMarx wrote:
> Maybe it is a combination of things.
> - Too much oil pressure which rises the gear load
> - high lift cams which don't continuously spin, they have a pulsing rotation
> caused by valve and springs
> - high revs which can cause resonances on the front part of the cam where
> the gear sits
>
> This could result in some kind of pitting that starts to end the story.
>
> But very difficult to tell.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:45
> An: MadMarx;fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
> Interesting theory.  Jack did not have too much oil pressure when the
> gear failed.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 11:37 AM 3/28/2011, MadMarx wrote:
>> Could it be an oil pressure issue?
>> When I installed the cam I also installed a new crank with a smaller
> bearing
>> clearance.
>> The oil pressure was pretty good after that.
>> Cold close 100 psi, hot around 85-90 psi.
>> I didn't change the relive valve and ran that engine several races with
> this
>> high oil pressure.
>> Maybe the gear failed from too much stress caused by the oil pump?
>>
>> Had Jack too much oil pressure?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von:fot-bounces at autox.team.net  [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>> Auftrag von Larry Young
>> Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:19
>> An:fot at autox.team.net
>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>>
>> I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like
>> to know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.
>>
>> I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was
>> due to a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks
> >from the UK and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into
>> Jack's  Mine never failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had
>> another problem with a valve hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I
>> believe the force of  the impact was transmitted through the pushrods to
>> the cam causing deflection and misalignment of the gears.  This occurred
>> at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.
>>
>> More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in
>> the UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss,
>> BPNW, etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we
>> don't hear of may gear failures.
>>
>> - Larry Young
>>
>> On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
>>> Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had
>> incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with
>> regrounds ever since.
>>> Bob Kramer
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Mar 31 00:40:34 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:40:34 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Judson
In-Reply-To: <83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky>
	<83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC>
Message-ID: <000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com>

Hi,

does anyone have a manual for a Judson supercharger?

Cheers
Chris


From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Mar 31 06:46:26 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:46:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Judson
In-Reply-To: <000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky><83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC>
	<000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com>
Message-ID: <14a601cbefa1$a6c4a770$0301a8c0@randall>

> does anyone have a manual for a Judson supercharger?

I put a few Judson documents up at
http://tinyurl.com/286jzzu

I've got photocopies of more, but haven't had time to scan them yet.  These
include notes to modify the advance weights on a TR3 (to slow down the
centrifugal advance); and to eliminate the advance entirely on a TR4.  There
is also a slightly better version of the installation instructions where the
photos are almost legible.

There is some more at
http://tinyurl.com/4g2sjov

-- Randall  


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Mar 31 07:36:07 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:36:07 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Judson
In-Reply-To: <14a601cbefa1$a6c4a770$0301a8c0@randall>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky><83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC>
	<000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com>
	<14a601cbefa1$a6c4a770$0301a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <002e01cbefa8$995c5360$cc14fa20$@com>

'Thank you!
That is very useful!

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Randall [mailto:TR3driver at ca.rr.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Mdrz 2011 14:46
An: 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Judson

> does anyone have a manual for a Judson supercharger?

I put a few Judson documents up at
http://tinyurl.com/286jzzu

I've got photocopies of more, but haven't had time to scan them yet.  These
include notes to modify the advance weights on a TR3 (to slow down the
centrifugal advance); and to eliminate the advance entirely on a TR4.  There
is also a slightly better version of the installation instructions where the
photos are almost legible.

There is some more at
http://tinyurl.com/4g2sjov

-- Randall


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Mar 31 08:29:13 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:29:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Judson
In-Reply-To: <002e01cbefa8$995c5360$cc14fa20$@com>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky><83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC><000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com><14a601cbefa1$a6c4a770$0301a8c0@randall>
	<002e01cbefa8$995c5360$cc14fa20$@com>
Message-ID: <8CDBDC724208150-D9C-FCD3@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>

 Randall seems to be our resident archivist and fountain of knowledge.

Appreciated.








-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: 'Randall' <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:36 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Judson


'Thank you!

That is very useful!



Chris



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----

Von: Randall [mailto:TR3driver at ca.rr.com]

Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Mdrz 2011 14:46

An: 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net

Betreff: RE: [Fot] Judson



> does anyone have a manual for a Judson supercharger?



I put a few Judson documents up at

http://tinyurl.com/286jzzu



I've got photocopies of more, but haven't had time to scan them yet.  These

include notes to modify the advance weights on a TR3 (to slow down the

centrifugal advance); and to eliminate the advance entirely on a TR4.  There

is also a slightly better version of the installation instructions where the

photos are almost legible.



There is some more at

http://tinyurl.com/4g2sjov



-- Randall

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From klynch_6 at msn.com  Thu Mar 31 10:22:50 2011
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:22:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 (bolt-on) Roll Bar
Message-ID: <BLU151-ds214C3C57C368E927AEF801B7BF0@phx.gbl>

Amici, I've a friend who's looking for a used (after market) GT6 roll bar. If
it matters, his is a Mk III-
Anyone have or know of someone who'd like to sell one?

thanks in advance!

Kevin Colo.


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Mar 31 10:28:39 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:28:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Judson
In-Reply-To: <8CDBDC724208150-D9C-FCD3@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky><83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC><000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com><14a601cbefa1$a6c4a770$0301a8c0@randall>
	<002e01cbefa8$995c5360$cc14fa20$@com>
	<8CDBDC724208150-D9C-FCD3@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <00cc01cbefc0$b1873aa0$1495afe0$@rr.com>

>  Randall seems to be our resident archivist and fountain of knowledge.

You flatter me, Joe.  I'm just trying to help in return for all the help
I've gotten over the years.

But since you put it that way, perhaps I should mention that the Judson is
an inferior design by today's standards.  If you are serious about building
a blower TR motor, you'd be far better off looking for a modern Eaton.  Or
if it has to be vintage, a period Rootes.  Compared to the Roots type
blower, the Judson is less efficient, meaning it takes more power to turn
(for a given boost & flow) and also heats the mixture more (making
detonation more likely).

They also have a nasty habit of shedding abrasive phenolic bits into the
intake.

-- Randall 


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Mar 31 10:32:40 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:32:40 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Judson
In-Reply-To: <00cc01cbefc0$b1873aa0$1495afe0$@rr.com>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky><83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC><000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com><14a601cbefa1$a6c4a770$0301a8c0@randall>
	<002e01cbefa8$995c5360$cc14fa20$@com>
	<8CDBDC724208150-D9C-FCD3@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>
	<00cc01cbefc0$b1873aa0$1495afe0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <003c01cbefc1$420b8950$c6229bf0$@com>

I didn't ask for me - a friend has this thing at the car and needs help how
to operate it.

Great FOT!

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Randall [mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Mdrz 2011 18:29
An: n197tr4 at cs.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Judson

>  Randall seems to be our resident archivist and fountain of knowledge.

You flatter me, Joe.  I'm just trying to help in return for all the help
I've gotten over the years.

But since you put it that way, perhaps I should mention that the Judson is
an inferior design by today's standards.  If you are serious about building
a blower TR motor, you'd be far better off looking for a modern Eaton.  Or
if it has to be vintage, a period Rootes.  Compared to the Roots type
blower, the Judson is less efficient, meaning it takes more power to turn
(for a given boost & flow) and also heats the mixture more (making
detonation more likely).

They also have a nasty habit of shedding abrasive phenolic bits into the
intake.

-- Randall


From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Mar 31 19:45:04 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:45:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Judson
In-Reply-To: <003c01cbefc1$420b8950$c6229bf0$@com>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky><83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC><000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com><14a601cbefa1$a6c4a770$0301a8c0@randall>
	<002e01cbefa8$995c5360$cc14fa20$@com>
	<8CDBDC724208150-D9C-FCD3@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>
	<00cc01cbefc0$b1873aa0$1495afe0$@rr.com>
	<003c01cbefc1$420b8950$c6229bf0$@com>
Message-ID: <4D952E20.8010008@bradakis.com>

The email list superchargers at autox.team.net started out to be all
about Judsons, but I changed the name to accommodate other makes.
That list get one or two messages a year.  You can check out
http://www.team.net/archive for the superchargers list, but
don't expect much.

mjb.


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Tue Mar  1 05:59:09 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 04:59:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Stag Transmission Parts
In-Reply-To: <4D6C2EF7.8040701@charter.net>
Message-ID: <341662.14882.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Glenn: As Randall mantioned many cars used the BW 35 and BW 65. I have two
65's sitting in the shop from a recent conversion of a STag to a BMW ZF
4-speed box. The TR7 also used the BW 65 when bought as an automatic. The Stag
Club is the best source for parts. Try www.triumphstagclubusa.org  or 
www.triumphstagclub.org  or www.tscusa.org .
They are all linl to their website.
Thanks - Ed
 
--- On Mon, 2/28/11, Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net> wrote:


From: Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net>
Subject: [Fot] Stag Transmission Parts
To: 6pack at autox.team.net, "Friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 5:25 PM


Hi
I'm trying to locate a source for the Borg Warner Automatic Transmission parts
for a Club Members Stag.
I have the Automatic Stripped down and I'm having a difficult time locating
parts. I need the standard stuff for a rebuild. Gaskets, seals clutches and
steels and a few other parts.
Rimmer doesn't have anything much on their website.
Does anyone out there  have a source for these parts. The usual suppliers
don't have any stock for the British built Automatic.
Are there any Stag Mail Lists I could post a message on?
Thanks in advance
Glenn Franco
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From jsclark at live.ca  Tue Mar  1 07:21:52 2011
From: jsclark at live.ca (Jeff Clark)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 09:21:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help
In-Reply-To: <C22F4A3F0AA3EA488D30A42FC8A4817639AD8F102A@DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local>
References: <C22F4A3F0AA3EA488D30A42FC8A4817639AD8F102A@DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local>
Message-ID: <BLU158-w1E964D40A8C2A63DF7C4AAEC10@phx.gbl>

EBC has both O.E. replacement rotors and sport slotted. I use Keystone as a
supplier I see online they're available through Summit as well, for my '71 GT6
the part # for O.E. is UPR197 slotted # is GD197
http://ebcbrakes.iwebcat.com/_Members/lookups/lookup.asp?hdnUK=27866&hdnSts=0
if the link works it should take you to thier catalog
Hope this helps
Jeff Clark

> From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:35:37 -0600
> Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help
>
> Hey Listers,
>
> What's the best source for GT6 rotors for a racing Spitfire. I know of all
the
> normal outlets for pats, but am concerned that I get the best quality for
the
> purpose of racing. I plan to cyro the rotors and would really like some
that
> are slotted if anyone knows of them somewhere. As always thanks!!
>
> Mark Craig
> 615-347-0260
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From jhouathome at aol.com  Tue Mar  1 09:59:36 2011
From: jhouathome at aol.com (jhouathome at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 11:59:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Belts and Harnesses
In-Reply-To: <BLU156-w318503112B61470A70F6CDBADE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU156-w318503112B61470A70F6CDBADE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CDA6492D88DC8B-A6C-34C6A@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com>

My feeling is that the real key lies not in 5 vs 6 points, but in several
other factors.  What is the seat design, and what is the design of the harness
mounting points?  The brunt of the force in a crash should be spread across
the hips and pelvis, never by the anti-sub straps.  The shoulder harness is to
restrict forward movement of the torso.  The anti-sub is mostly to hold the
lap-belt in place, not to grab you by the crotch and keep you from moving
forward, although it does do this as a secondary function.  (If you take the
full-force of a crash in the crotch, you have big problems, and not just the
obvious!)  Many configurations have the lab-belt riding too high, over the
stomach, which really defeats the design of the system.  Some seats cannot
accomodate a 6 point system effectively, and in any case a properly designed,
installed, and used 5 point is equally effective in a sports car.  The guiding
principle is that the seat, belts, roll structure, and HANS (or similar) are
to be used as a single intigrated system, never thought of as seperate
components.  The best equipment will fail to protect unless it is all
functioning together properly.  I use 5 point systems in sports cars, 6 point
in formula cars.

Bottom line for me is that if you are replacing a 5 point system, and the car
was properly designed for that system, do not change it.  You won't gain
anything except another belt to deal with.  If in doubt call someone who works
in tech and they can advise on your specific car.

John






-----Original Message-----
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Feb 28, 2011 11:37 am
Subject: [Fot] Belts and Harnesses


I will probably end up buying a new set of harnesses for the Spit this year.
or autoxing all that was required was 4 points.  For the Spit I will need to
o 5 or 6 point.  Is there any strong opinions as to which is better? I would
hink the 6 point would be more, er, forgiving in case of being actually put
o use.  What say the masses?
Thanks,
arty
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar  2 08:30:41 2011
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 07:30:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] SVRA @ Sebring
Message-ID: <114672.79904.qm@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Amici,

Anyone from this esteemed group running at Sebring later this month?

Doug


From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Mar  2 10:23:48 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 11:23:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] SVRA @ Sebring
In-Reply-To: <114672.79904.qm@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <114672.79904.qm@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20110302172354.9EFA7187679@autox.team.net>

I believe that Bob Wismer is going, but don't think he's on the FOT 
list.  Not sure if he's in the TR-4 or the Thunderbolt this year.

- Tony

At 09:30 AM 3/2/2011, Doug Mitchell wrote:
>Amici,
>
>Anyone from this esteemed group running at Sebring later this month?
>
>Doug


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Wed Mar  2 10:41:59 2011
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 17:41:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] sliding spline rear axles
Message-ID: <195477921.1591167.1299087719333.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hello:



Pending an inspection within the next couple of days to confirm, I suspect I
need to replace worn sliding rear axle assembliesB on my stock, 1969 TR6.B 
Anyone have experience with this procedure that could offer some
tips/suggestions before I dive in to attempt the job?B  I know Moss, Good
Parts andB Victoria BritishB products,B are there other sources for stock
axles?B  Thanks.



Gary


From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Mar  2 10:44:25 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 12:44:25 EST
Subject: [Fot] SVRA @ Sebring
Message-ID: <db370.755474e9.3a9fdbf9@aol.com>

In a message dated 03/02/2011 11:24:21 AM Central Standard Time, 
tony at tonydrews.com writes:


> I believe that Bob Wismer is going, but don't think he's on the FOT 
> list.  Not sure if he's in the TR-4 or the Thunderbolt this year.
> 
> 

Bob Wismer leaves for down south (with the Thunder Bolt) in a week or so, 
but he is NOT going to run Sebring.  He's run the vintage sessions at the 
Twelve Hours of Sebring for years and years, but will skip it this year.  For 
anyone who has not run it, its a great event to do, and a real happening.  It 
is exciting to be a part of it.  But if you rate events based on track 
time, etc.  It does not rate very high at all.

I believe Bob will run the vintage sessions at an SCCA near Miami and also 
VDCA's VIR event instead.

Bill Dentinger


From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Mar  2 11:04:28 2011
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 13:04:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] sliding spline rear axles
In-Reply-To: <195477921.1591167.1299087719333.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <195477921.1591167.1299087719333.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinLFdu6bHWC2XKi6aEnOb17jL_x0AqDsnf5_2qa@mail.gmail.com>

Assuming you have the replacements in hand, the procedure is dead simple.

Jack up car, secure.

Remove rear wheel, brake drum.

Undo 6 7/16" (iirc) nuts holding hub carrier to trailing arm.

Slide out hub and outer sliding axle. Put on bench.

Remove 4 9'16" (iirc again) bolt/nut pairs holding inner axle assy and U
joint to diff. Remove, put on bench with other half.

Got to bench. Replace ujoints, axles.

reassembly is the reverse of disassembly.

DO NOT OVERTORQUE THE TINY NUTS ON THE STUDS HOLDING THE HUB TO THE TRAILING
ARM. The torque spec is not a misprint, it really is something tiny.

If you strip out the trailing arms, you are royally screwed as there isn't a
lot of room to helicoil the holes or the like.

I've got this down to about a 45 minute job per side. A very long 3/8"
rachet extension is a big help.

Best of luck.
Bob


On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:41 PM, <vintage.racer at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hello:
>
>
>
> Pending an inspection within the next couple of days to confirm, I suspect
> I
> need to replace worn sliding rear axle assembliesB on my stock, 1969 TR6.B
> Anyone have experience with this procedure that could offer some
> tips/suggestions before I dive in to attempt the job?B  I know Moss, Good
> Parts andB Victoria BritishB products,B are there other sources for stock
> axles?B  Thanks.
>
>
>
> Gary
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Mar  2 11:17:52 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:17:52 -0800
Subject: [Fot] sliding spline rear axles
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinLFdu6bHWC2XKi6aEnOb17jL_x0AqDsnf5_2qa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <195477921.1591167.1299087719333.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<AANLkTinLFdu6bHWC2XKi6aEnOb17jL_x0AqDsnf5_2qa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <176401cbd906$26defc10$749cf430$@rr.com>

> If you strip out the trailing arms, you are royally screwed as there
> isn't a
> lot of room to helicoil the holes or the like.

Someone, I forget who offhand, is selling a jig to help with installing
Helicoils.  From what I hear, it works well.

You might also want to look into the "improved" shafts available from
Goodparts.  Rumor has it that they are cost-effective even for just a hub
rebuild.

-- Randall 


From cofrog at q.com  Wed Mar  2 11:35:06 2011
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:35:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Goodparts Springs For Sale
Message-ID: <SNT140-w593024AC97D183E70C9F7ED4C00@phx.gbl>

I have a set of front and rear Goodparts springs for TR4a-TR6 I'd like to
sell.  They list for $89/pair.  I'll sell for $100 for all four plus
shipping.

Thanks,

Dan Forgey


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Mar  2 12:41:19 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 14:41:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] sliding spline rear axles
In-Reply-To: <176401cbd906$26defc10$749cf430$@rr.com>
References: <195477921.1591167.1299087719333.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<AANLkTinLFdu6bHWC2XKi6aEnOb17jL_x0AqDsnf5_2qa@mail.gmail.com>
	<176401cbd906$26defc10$749cf430$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1103021440010.19529@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 2 Mar 2011, Randall wrote:

>> If you strip out the trailing arms, you are royally screwed as there
>> isn't a
>> lot of room to helicoil the holes or the like.
>
> Someone, I forget who offhand, is selling a jig to help with installing
> Helicoils.  From what I hear, it works well.

http://www.pattonmachine.com/

Rick Patton.

Great guy. A real enthusiast!!!!

Plus he's from Maine. I hear the voice of Bobstah the Lobstah.

:-)

rml
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  2 12:48:35 2011
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 13:48:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] sliding spline rear axles
In-Reply-To: <176401cbd906$26defc10$749cf430$@rr.com>
References: <195477921.1591167.1299087719333.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<AANLkTinLFdu6bHWC2XKi6aEnOb17jL_x0AqDsnf5_2qa@mail.gmail.com>
	<176401cbd906$26defc10$749cf430$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <2F4595E6-5D12-4512-9280-803D8664A59E@yahoo.com>

Patton machine makes the jig. I don't remember how much it cost but it is well
worth it. Go ahead and heli-coil all of the stud holes not just the bad ones.
BTW the splines don't slide when torque is applied. Just so you know, that's
another reason why Richard Goods Cv system is good. I just wish I could afford
them.

Mike #28 EP TR6

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 2, 2011, at 12:17 PM, "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

>> If you strip out the trailing arms, you are royally screwed as there
>> isn't a
>> lot of room to helicoil the holes or the like.
>
> Someone, I forget who offhand, is selling a jig to help with installing
> Helicoils.  From what I hear, it works well.
>
> You might also want to look into the "improved" shafts available from
> Goodparts.  Rumor has it that they are cost-effective even for just a


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Mar  2 12:56:50 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 19:56:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] sliding spline rear axles
In-Reply-To: <2F4595E6-5D12-4512-9280-803D8664A59E@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1486346532.1119314.1299095810562.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I'm making the CV/hub conversion in the next couple weeks. Although I haven't
experienced

spline lock, ( that I know of anyway )B I have been on the stock hubs for far
too long so

I'm just going to do both at the same time. It's a small amount to pay
considering the potential

damage a broken hub can do.



jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Munson" <fasttrs at yahoo.com>
To: "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: "of Triumph" <FOT at autox.team.net>, Friends at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2011 12:48:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] sliding spline rear axles

Patton machine makes the jig. I don't remember how much it cost but it is well
worth it. Go ahead and heli-coil all of the stud holes not just the bad ones.
BTW the splines don't slide when torque is applied. Just so you know, that's
another reason why Richard Goods Cv system is good. I just wish I could afford
them.

Mike #28 EP TR6

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 2, 2011, at 12:17 PM, "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

>> If you strip out the trailing arms, you are royally screwed as there
>> isn't a
>> lot of room to helicoil the holes or the like.
>
> Someone, I forget who offhand, is selling a jig to help with installing
> Helicoils. B From what I hear, it works well.
>
> You might also want to look into the "improved" shafts available from
> Goodparts. B Rumor has it that they are cost-effective even for just a
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From cofrog at q.com  Wed Mar  2 13:46:39 2011
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 20:46:39 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Goodparts Springs
Message-ID: <SNT140-w10BEDA8559EA65F80D6425D4C00@phx.gbl>

They've sold.


From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Wed Mar  2 15:16:22 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 17:16:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wismer at VIR
In-Reply-To: <db370.755474e9.3a9fdbf9@aol.com>
References: <db370.755474e9.3a9fdbf9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <op.vrqlhkf6airs7i@don-pc.belkin>

Bill, please make sure Bob knows to look us up in the Triumph Ghetto at  
VIR in April.  We'll probably be up on the hill to the west of the  
entrance as usual.  You should come too.

In case anyone isn't aware, the VDCA event at VIR seems to have become the  
premier spring event for Triumphs on the east coast.  Not only is the  
facility among the best in the nation but the amount of track time is  
unmatched anywhere, and at a very reasonable price. Last year we had a  
bunch of TRs, most of which were still running for Sunday afternoon's  
feature race.  If you can come, please join us in the Triumph Ghetto for  
our traditional surf n turf cookout on Friday night, which this year  
should include alligator, complements of our seafood provider and TR4  
racer Rob Deanes.

According to the VDCA website, "The Ninth Annual Wild Hare Run at VIR is a  
3-day event at this spectacular facility.  Friday will offer 3 practice  
sessions and our patented Wild Hare Run for all comers.  Saturday  morning  
practice will be followed by Saturday afternoon's Feature Races.  Sunday  
morning includes the VDCA Enduro and the Sunday races are in the  
afternoon.  There is no additional charge for either the Australian  
Pursuit race or the Enduro."  All this track time for only $400 plus free  
food.  Not bad.  Don


On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 12:44:25 -0500, <BillDentin at aol.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 03/02/2011 11:24:21 AM Central Standard Time,
> tony at tonydrews.com writes:
>
>
>> I believe that Bob Wismer is going, but don't think he's on the FOT
>> list.  Not sure if he's in the TR-4 or the Thunderbolt this year.
>>
>>
>
> Bob Wismer leaves for down south (with the Thunder Bolt) in a week or so,
> but he is NOT going to run Sebring.  He's run the vintage sessions at the
> Twelve Hours of Sebring for years and years, but will skip it this  
> year.  For
> anyone who has not run it, its a great event to do, and a real  
> happening.  It
> is exciting to be a part of it.  But if you rate events based on track
> time, etc.  It does not rate very high at all.
>
> I believe Bob will run the vintage sessions at an SCCA near Miami and  
> also
> VDCA's VIR event instead.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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>
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From lfritz82 at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  2 19:45:57 2011
From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 21:45:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <SNT143-w58F6AA05FC2286E1EAAFC5DAC30@phx.gbl>

Hi.   I have  a friend that would like to trade 4 or 5 early tr250/6 wheels
for later ones.  These are the wheels that have the long stids to accept the
mag style hub caps.  We are in central Pa.  Thanks   Lorne Fritz


From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Mar  2 22:34:22 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:34:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Wismer at VIR
In-Reply-To: <op.vrqlhkf6airs7i@don-pc.belkin>
References: <db370.755474e9.3a9fdbf9@aol.com> <op.vrqlhkf6airs7i@don-pc.belkin>
Message-ID: <20110303053429.65FE218763E@autox.team.net>

I'll be at the VDCA VIR event in April, it's an awesome way to start 
the racing season for me.  Dennis Delap is planning to attend as well 
in either his TR-4 or his TR powered TVR - my money's on the TVR.

- Tony Drews

At 04:16 PM 3/2/2011, Don Marshall wrote:
>Bill, please make sure Bob knows to look us up in the Triumph Ghetto at
>VIR in April.  We'll probably be up on the hill to the west of the
>entrance as usual.  You should come too.
>
>In case anyone isn't aware, the VDCA event at VIR seems to have become the
>premier spring event for Triumphs on the east coast.  Not only is the
>facility among the best in the nation but the amount of track time is
>unmatched anywhere, and at a very reasonable price. Last year we had a
>bunch of TRs, most of which were still running for Sunday afternoon's
>feature race.  If you can come, please join us in the Triumph Ghetto for
>our traditional surf n turf cookout on Friday night, which this year
>should include alligator, complements of our seafood provider and TR4
>racer Rob Deanes.
>
>According to the VDCA website, "The Ninth Annual Wild Hare Run at VIR is a
>3-day event at this spectacular facility.  Friday will offer 3 practice
>sessions and our patented Wild Hare Run for all comers.  Saturday  morning
>practice will be followed by Saturday afternoon's Feature Races.  Sunday
>morning includes the VDCA Enduro and the Sunday races are in the
>afternoon.  There is no additional charge for either the Australian
>Pursuit race or the Enduro."  All this track time for only $400 plus free
>food.  Not bad.  Don


From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Mar  3 04:13:17 2011
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 06:13:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wismer at VIR
In-Reply-To: <20110303053429.65FE218763E@autox.team.net>
References: <db370.755474e9.3a9fdbf9@aol.com> <op.vrqlhkf6airs7i@don-pc.belkin>
	<20110303053429.65FE218763E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <001001cbd993$ff788720$fe699560$@rr.com>

I plan on being there and I believe Henry Frye and Jeff Snook also will be
there. Hopefully the snow banks will be low enough we can get the rigs out.
Donn Sopp won't make it this year due to injury.

So, can we get a Triumph count yet? I have never been there before and will
be following Henry down. Is there an area where all TR types migrate to? 

Russ Moore
Spitfire #49

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:34 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Wismer at VIR

I'll be at the VDCA VIR event in April, it's an awesome way to start 
the racing season for me.  Dennis Delap is planning to attend as well 
in either his TR-4 or his TR powered TVR - my money's on the TVR.

- Tony Drews

At 04:16 PM 3/2/2011, Don Marshall wrote:
>Bill, please make sure Bob knows to look us up in the Triumph Ghetto at
>VIR in April.  We'll probably be up on the hill to the west of the
>entrance as usual.  You should come too.
>
>In case anyone isn't aware, the VDCA event at VIR seems to have become the
>premier spring event for Triumphs on the east coast.  Not only is the
>facility among the best in the nation but the amount of track time is
>unmatched anywhere, and at a very reasonable price. Last year we had a
>bunch of TRs, most of which were still running for Sunday afternoon's
>feature race.  If you can come, please join us in the Triumph Ghetto for
>our traditional surf n turf cookout on Friday night, which this year
>should include alligator, complements of our seafood provider and TR4
>racer Rob Deanes.
>
>According to the VDCA website, "The Ninth Annual Wild Hare Run at VIR is a
>3-day event at this spectacular facility.  Friday will offer 3 practice
>sessions and our patented Wild Hare Run for all comers.  Saturday  morning
>practice will be followed by Saturday afternoon's Feature Races.  Sunday
>morning includes the VDCA Enduro and the Sunday races are in the
>afternoon.  There is no additional charge for either the Australian
>Pursuit race or the Enduro."  All this track time for only $400 plus free
>food.  Not bad.  Don
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From susank at 141.com  Thu Mar  3 04:58:11 2011
From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 06:58:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wismer at VIR
In-Reply-To: <001001cbd993$ff788720$fe699560$@rr.com>
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Hi Russ!

I hope Donny is okay! Please give him our well wishes.

We plan on being there, and yes, there is the Triumph Ghetto. Drive to 
the paddock area, turn left and go up the slight hill. The first left 
will take you into the Ghetto (on your right). It's close to the 
bathrooms/showers and not too far from the gas pumps. There's power for 
RVs (need to pay for it and get your tag when you get there).

We look very forward to seeing you there!

Susan    :)


On 3/3/2011 6:13 AM, Spitfire Racing wrote:
> I plan on being there and I believe Henry Frye and Jeff Snook also will be
> there. Hopefully the snow banks will be low enough we can get the rigs out.
> Donn Sopp won't make it this year due to injury.
>
> So, can we get a Triumph count yet? I have never been there before and will
> be following Henry down. Is there an area where all TR types migrate to?
>
> Russ Moore
> Spitfire #49
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tony Drews
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:34 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Wismer at VIR
>
> I'll be at the VDCA VIR event in April, it's an awesome way to start
> the racing season for me.  Dennis Delap is planning to attend as well
> in either his TR-4 or his TR powered TVR - my money's on the TVR.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 04:16 PM 3/2/2011, Don Marshall wrote:
>> Bill, please make sure Bob knows to look us up in the Triumph Ghetto at
>> VIR in April.  We'll probably be up on the hill to the west of the
>> entrance as usual.  You should come too.
>>
>> In case anyone isn't aware, the VDCA event at VIR seems to have become the
>> premier spring event for Triumphs on the east coast.  Not only is the
>> facility among the best in the nation but the amount of track time is
>> unmatched anywhere, and at a very reasonable price. Last year we had a
>> bunch of TRs, most of which were still running for Sunday afternoon's
>> feature race.  If you can come, please join us in the Triumph Ghetto for
>> our traditional surf n turf cookout on Friday night, which this year
>> should include alligator, complements of our seafood provider and TR4
>> racer Rob Deanes.
>>
>> According to the VDCA website, "The Ninth Annual Wild Hare Run at VIR is a
>> 3-day event at this spectacular facility.  Friday will offer 3 practice
>> sessions and our patented Wild Hare Run for all comers.  Saturday  morning
>> practice will be followed by Saturday afternoon's Feature Races.  Sunday
>> morning includes the VDCA Enduro and the Sunday races are in the
>> afternoon.  There is no additional charge for either the Australian
>> Pursuit race or the Enduro."  All this track time for only $400 plus free
>> food.  Not bad.  Don
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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Thu Mar  3 04:58:24 2011
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 06:58:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wismer at VIR
In-Reply-To: <001001cbd993$ff788720$fe699560$@rr.com>
References: <db370.755474e9.3a9fdbf9@aol.com> <op.vrqlhkf6airs7i@don-pc.belkin>
	<20110303053429.65FE218763E@autox.team.net>
	<001001cbd993$ff788720$fe699560$@rr.com>
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We're going to try and make it.  All I have to do is build Susan a new
engine and get it installed in the car all while being gone for the
next two weeks.

Worst case is I'll get it installed and have the Triumph Ghetto
attendee's help hook things up :)

Brad
(Susan's chief mechanic)

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 6:13 AM, Spitfire Racing
<spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> I plan on being there and I believe Henry Frye and Jeff Snook also will be
> there. Hopefully the snow banks will be low enough we can get the rigs out.
> Donn Sopp won't make it this year due to injury.
>
> So, can we get a Triumph count yet? I have never been there before and will
> be following Henry down. Is there an area where all TR types migrate to?
>
> Russ Moore
> Spitfire #49
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tony Drews
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:34 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Wismer at VIR
>
> I'll be at the VDCA VIR event in April, it's an awesome way to start
> the racing season for me.  Dennis Delap is planning to attend as well
> in either his TR-4 or his TR powered TVR - my money's on the TVR.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 04:16 PM 3/2/2011, Don Marshall wrote:
>>Bill, please make sure Bob knows to look us up in the Triumph Ghetto at
>>VIR in April.  We'll probably be up on the hill to the west of the
>>entrance as usual.  You should come too.
>>
>>In case anyone isn't aware, the VDCA event at VIR seems to have become the
>>premier spring event for Triumphs on the east coast.  Not only is the
>>facility among the best in the nation but the amount of track time is
>>unmatched anywhere, and at a very reasonable price. Last year we had a
>>bunch of TRs, most of which were still running for Sunday afternoon's
>>feature race.  If you can come, please join us in the Triumph Ghetto for
>>our traditional surf n turf cookout on Friday night, which this year
>>should include alligator, complements of our seafood provider and TR4
>>racer Rob Deanes.
>>
>>According to the VDCA website, "The Ninth Annual Wild Hare Run at VIR is a
>>3-day event at this spectacular facility.  Friday will offer 3 practice
>>sessions and our patented Wild Hare Run for all comers.  Saturday  morning
>>practice will be followed by Saturday afternoon's Feature Races.  Sunday
>>morning includes the VDCA Enduro and the Sunday races are in the
>>afternoon.  There is no additional charge for either the Australian
>>Pursuit race or the Enduro."  All this track time for only $400 plus free
>>food.  Not bad.  Don
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From adcronin at mi.rr.com  Thu Mar  3 09:22:25 2011
From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 11:22:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: "Killed Myself When I Was Young"- A vintage crash
 compilation
References: <C26475D821404C71A9B0810996B6ECBF@JohnPC>
Message-ID: <38285A3D-3BF5-4A59-AA75-E42E86116339@mi.rr.com>

This is something else!
Dan

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Fred John" <v6sprite at charter.net>
> Date: March 3, 2011 10:20:49 AM EST
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Subject: Fw: "Killed Myself When I Was Young"- A vintage crash compilation
>
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:51 AM
> Subject: : "Killed Myself When I Was Young"- A vintage crash compilation
>
>
>
>
> Before roll cages and many safety improvements  including seat belts. These
guys were nuts.
>
> Dramatic Vintage Racing Crashes!
>
> http://vimeo.com/20247765
>
> __,_._,___


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Thu Mar  3 10:33:07 2011
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:33:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: "Killed Myself When I Was Young"- A vintage crash
 compilation
In-Reply-To: <38285A3D-3BF5-4A59-AA75-E42E86116339@mi.rr.com>
References: <C26475D821404C71A9B0810996B6ECBF@JohnPC>,
	<38285A3D-3BF5-4A59-AA75-E42E86116339@mi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <SNT134-w1605276FEC307E1C09580390C30@phx.gbl>

There's another 1.43 seconds off any future lap time.................Henry
Morrison


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Mar  3 11:42:55 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:42:55 -0800
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup photo's
In-Reply-To: <20110227205600.C52CE18764E@autox.team.net>
References: <20110227205600.C52CE18764E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <190601cbd9d2$cfe25fb0$6fa71f10$@rr.com>

Here's a web site with Tim's photos, reduced to about 1Mb each:

http://tinyurl.com/4apw733

There is a link in the corner where you can download them if you wish.

-- Randall 


From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Thu Mar  3 16:07:09 2011
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 18:07:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Video on Vintage race crashes.
Message-ID: <EFB3AE9348174B37A7D37324B2D9BC4E@Bucktailus>

From: Robert Johns

Subject: "Killed Myself When I was Young" Video
Yes , You can make a rather good case that we were crazy to race with out the
safety features used today, but in defense, every one was in the same boat.
As I have said, when in Europe we used the Nurburgring to practice on.  A very
good friend, Norman Babcock, was driving his MG-TD on the Nurburgring and when
he came back up the straight, over the fence from the Start and Finish line,
into the first hard left, going over the bridge, he over cooked it and went
straight off the curve. The TD flipped end over end and he dropped out as the
car went over.  He dropped onto the grass  and was unhurt.  The TD was
totaled.  Dumb luck, but that is the way it was.  Being in the Air Force,  I
had access to the old belts being replaced with new,  in the fighter planes
that I worked on.  So I installed one in my car, but the Europeans did not
believe in them at that point in time.  So, I certainly can relate to those
old photos.  When I raced out West in 1956, roll bars were not required.
There was a fatality at Sebring in 1957 and at Meadowdale, IL.in 1958, both
with no roll bars.  In fact, because I dropped out of racing after Sebring, to
go to college, I never got to drive  a car with a roll bar or roll cage.  I am
sure that Kas will concur with how things were in those early days of Sport
Car racing. I think roll bars became required by SCCA in either 1959 or 1960.
R.C. Johns


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Thu Mar  3 19:15:38 2011
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 20:15:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
Message-ID: <000001cbda12$0de0bd90$29a238b0$@rr.com>

I ran at TWS this past weekend and had some trouble with the TR3.  On Friday
and Saturday I could not get the engine to pull above 5500 RPM in 4th on the
front straight at TWS.  Coming out of the corners in 3rd, I was getting
6000rpm without issue.  I checked the timing and it was rock solid at
32degrees at 3000-5000rpm.  I run H6 carbs with RC needles and 0.100 jets.
I run twin facet cube pumps pushing fuel from the cell at the back.  

 

On Sunday, we noticed that my cross shaft (at the firewall) had lots of
slop.  It turns out that the cross shaft was rotating about 10 degrees
before it was pulling the little lever back that actuates throttle shaft.  I
had been checking the butter flies by moving the carb linkage at the carbs,
bad mistake.  My butter flies were not fully opening.  So we corrected that
problem (thanks Walt) and at the same time I replaced the Grosse Jets with
Viton tipped float needle valves.  Strange thing was I could not get the car
to run over 4500 rpm on the front straight or pulling out of the corners
after those two changes.  I tried going a bit then a lot richer (to the
point the car would hardly start) thinking that I had just introduced a lot
more airflow at full throttle, but that did not help. 

 

Any ideas?  I'd like to solve this one at home but I can't replicate the
full load and this problem does not manifest until under full load.

Thanks,

 

Greg 


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  3 19:16:13 2011
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (T Thompson)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 18:16:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup - Topeka 2010 Photos
Message-ID: <31835.40231.qm@web65701.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

A little late!, but I just posted about 30 photos to Photobucket. I know there 
are a few that fellow racers in CO may want, and I have some group photos as 
well for others. 


Use this link....

http://s947.photobucket.com/albums/ad312/tr4vintageracer/

Enjoy,

Ty


From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Mar  3 19:29:05 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 18:29:05 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
References: <000001cbda12$0de0bd90$29a238b0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <70DCE34667034C08A3C71EF2AA68E763@Bud>

loose throttle shaft between the carbs..one carb opening all the way..the 
other not completely...clamps slipping on the rod..RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 6:15 PM
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm


>I ran at TWS this past weekend and had some trouble with the TR3.  On 
>Friday
> and Saturday I could not get the engine to pull above 5500 RPM in 4th on 
> the
> front straight at TWS.  Coming out of the corners in 3rd, I was getting
> 6000rpm without issue.  I checked the timing and it was rock solid at
> 32degrees at 3000-5000rpm.  I run H6 carbs with RC needles and 0.100 jets.
> I run twin facet cube pumps pushing fuel from the cell at the back.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, we noticed that my cross shaft (at the firewall) had lots of
> slop.  It turns out that the cross shaft was rotating about 10 degrees
> before it was pulling the little lever back that actuates throttle shaft. 
> I
> had been checking the butter flies by moving the carb linkage at the 
> carbs,
> bad mistake.  My butter flies were not fully opening.  So we corrected 
> that
> problem (thanks Walt) and at the same time I replaced the Grosse Jets with
> Viton tipped float needle valves.  Strange thing was I could not get the 
> car
> to run over 4500 rpm on the front straight or pulling out of the corners
> after those two changes.  I tried going a bit then a lot richer (to the
> point the car would hardly start) thinking that I had just introduced a 
> lot
> more airflow at full throttle, but that did not help.
>
>
>
> Any ideas?  I'd like to solve this one at home but I can't replicate the
> full load and this problem does not manifest until under full load.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Greg
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Thu Mar  3 20:38:30 2011
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 03:38:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Differential Play
Message-ID: <379670956.1696730.1299209910560.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

My recent post about possible "sloppy"B sliding spline rear axles on my street
TR6 provedB not to be the problem after an inspection.B  It now appears there
might be excessive "play" in the stock diff which was determined by jacking up
theB rear of the car, putting it in gear then rockingB a wheel back and
forth.B  I could move the wheel a fair amount beforeB I could feelB it engage
the diff.B  B I compared this withB myB TR4 racerB which was almost no "play"
but that might not be a valid comparison as the TR4 has a Quaiffe LSD.B  How
much "play" should there be in a stock TR6 diff assuming the spline axles are
in good shape?B  Thanks.



Gary

1969 TR6B B B 
B 


From lfritz82 at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  3 22:29:42 2011
From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 00:29:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 wheels
Message-ID: <SNT143-w371FCA32B203393C1CA284DAC20@phx.gbl>

Hi,   I have a friend who would like to trade his TR250/early TR6 wheels with
pegs for stock fake mag hub caps  for later TR6 wheels.  We are in central Pa.
Thanks,  Lorne


From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Mar  4 00:43:14 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 01:43:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
In-Reply-To: <000001cbda12$0de0bd90$29a238b0$@rr.com>
References: <000001cbda12$0de0bd90$29a238b0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <20110304074321.D0408187657@autox.team.net>

Are you running a fuel pressure regulator?  Any gunk in the fuel 
filter(s)?  Kinda sounds like problems we had long ago due to not 
enough fuel flow - in our case taking out the fuel pressure regulator 
solved it.  We also seemed to have an occasional problem where we 
think we were setting up a vibration in the float bowls of the carbs, 
but that was at more like 5500 RPM.

I'd try new pumps, check fuel filter, remove pressure regulator 
(those Facets don't put out much pressure anyway), look at what kind 
of diameter fuel line (I run 3/16" ID / -6 Aeroquip).  Double check 
float level, make sure the needles aren't sticking, look for junk in 
the bottom of the float bowls (probably need to take carbs apart to 
blow everything out).  If backing off of the gas seems to get you 
more RPM's, I strongly suspect a fuel delivery problem - that's how 
the regulator restriction acted.

Starting point, anyway...

Tony Drews

At 08:15 PM 3/3/2011, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:
>I ran at TWS this past weekend and had some trouble with the TR3.  On Friday
>and Saturday I could not get the engine to pull above 5500 RPM in 4th on the
>front straight at TWS.  Coming out of the corners in 3rd, I was getting
>6000rpm without issue.  I checked the timing and it was rock solid at
>32degrees at 3000-5000rpm.  I run H6 carbs with RC needles and 0.100 jets.
>I run twin facet cube pumps pushing fuel from the cell at the back.
>
>
>
>On Sunday, we noticed that my cross shaft (at the firewall) had lots of
>slop.  It turns out that the cross shaft was rotating about 10 degrees
>before it was pulling the little lever back that actuates throttle shaft.  I
>had been checking the butter flies by moving the carb linkage at the carbs,
>bad mistake.  My butter flies were not fully opening.  So we corrected that
>problem (thanks Walt) and at the same time I replaced the Grosse Jets with
>Viton tipped float needle valves.  Strange thing was I could not get the car
>to run over 4500 rpm on the front straight or pulling out of the corners
>after those two changes.  I tried going a bit then a lot richer (to the
>point the car would hardly start) thinking that I had just introduced a lot
>more airflow at full throttle, but that did not help.
>
>
>
>Any ideas?  I'd like to solve this one at home but I can't replicate the
>full load and this problem does not manifest until under full load.
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>
>Greg
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Fri Mar  4 05:58:03 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 04:58:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
In-Reply-To: <20110304074321.D0408187657@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <208540.88017.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tony: I hope you meant that you run 3/8" line and not 3/16". I can't imagine
3/16" would be enough.
-Ed-

--- On Fri, 3/4/11, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:


From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
To: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>, fot at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 1:43 AM


Are you running a fuel pressure regulator?  Any gunk in the fuel
filter(s)?  Kinda sounds like problems we had long ago due to not
enough fuel flow - in our case taking out the fuel pressure regulator
solved it.  We also seemed to have an occasional problem where we
think we were setting up a vibration in the float bowls of the carbs,
but that was at more like 5500 RPM.

I'd try new pumps, check fuel filter, remove pressure regulator
(those Facets don't put out much pressure anyway), look at what kind
of diameter fuel line (I run 3/16" ID / -6 Aeroquip).  Double check
float level, make sure the needles aren't sticking, look for junk in
the bottom of the float bowls (probably need to take carbs apart to
blow everything out).  If backing off of the gas seems to get you
more RPM's, I strongly suspect a fuel delivery problem - that's how
the regulator restriction acted.

Starting point, anyway...

Tony Drews

At 08:15 PM 3/3/2011, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:
>I ran at TWS this past weekend and had some trouble with the TR3.  On Friday
>and Saturday I could not get the engine to pull above 5500 RPM in 4th on the
>front straight at TWS.  Coming out of the corners in 3rd, I was getting
>6000rpm without issue.  I checked the timing and it was rock solid at
>32degrees at 3000-5000rpm.  I run H6 carbs with RC needles and 0.100 jets.
>I run twin facet cube pumps pushing fuel from the cell at the back.
>
>
>
>On Sunday, we noticed that my cross shaft (at the firewall) had lots of
>slop.  It turns out that the cross shaft was rotating about 10 degrees
>before it was pulling the little lever back that actuates throttle shaft.  I
>had been checking the butter flies by moving the carb linkage at the carbs,
>bad mistake.  My butter flies were not fully opening.  So we corrected that
>problem (thanks Walt) and at the same time I replaced the Grosse Jets with
>Viton tipped float needle valves.  Strange thing was I could not get the car
>to run over 4500 rpm on the front straight or pulling out of the corners
>after those two changes.  I tried going a bit then a lot richer (to the
>point the car would hardly start) thinking that I had just introduced a lot
>more airflow at full throttle, but that did not help.
>
>
>
>Any ideas?  I'd like to solve this one at home but I can't replicate the
>full load and this problem does not manifest until under full load.
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>
>Greg
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri Mar  4 07:44:39 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 09:44:39 EST
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
Message-ID: <11adf.738a56f4.3aa254d7@aol.com>

In a message dated 03/04/2011 7:21:18 AM Central Standard Time, 
edwardbarnard at prodigy.net writes:


> Tony: I hope you meant that you run 3/8" line and not 3/16". I can't 
> imagine
> 3/16" would be enough.
> 

That's 1 3/16" vice 3/16"  Tony's engine is working very, very hard.  I'm 
almost positive Tony runs an 1 3/16" fuel line.  At least.  3/8" wouldn't be 
sufficient.

I'm pretty sure he's got a 55 gallon fuel tank too.

Bill (Damdinger)


From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Mar  4 08:23:21 2011
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:23:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
In-Reply-To: <11adf.738a56f4.3aa254d7@aol.com>
References: <11adf.738a56f4.3aa254d7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000801cbda80$18ef8310$4ace8930$@rr.com>

Easy to see it's been a VERY long winter for many of us!!

Russ Moore

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 9:45 AM
To: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; ablake2 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net;
tony at tonydrews.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm

In a message dated 03/04/2011 7:21:18 AM Central Standard Time, 
edwardbarnard at prodigy.net writes:


> Tony: I hope you meant that you run 3/8" line and not 3/16". I can't 
> imagine
> 3/16" would be enough.
> 

That's 1 3/16" vice 3/16"  Tony's engine is working very, very hard.  I'm 
almost positive Tony runs an 1 3/16" fuel line.  At least.  3/8" wouldn't be

sufficient.

I'm pretty sure he's got a 55 gallon fuel tank too.

Bill (Damdinger)
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Mar  4 10:05:36 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 11:05:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Engine going flat at 4500 rpm
In-Reply-To: <208540.88017.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20110304074321.D0408187657@autox.team.net>
	<208540.88017.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20110304170541.8143418788D@autox.team.net>

Yikes.  Yes, I meant 3/8".  Thanks for the correction.

- Tony

At 06:58 AM 3/4/2011, EDWARD BARNARD wrote:
>Tony: I hope you meant that you run 3/8" line and not 3/16". I can't 
>imagine 3/16" would be enough.
>-Ed-


From kaskas at cox.net  Fri Mar  4 11:37:24 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:37:24 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Video on Vintage race crashes.
In-Reply-To: <EFB3AE9348174B37A7D37324B2D9BC4E@Bucktailus>
Message-ID: <20110304133724.B30LT.1467392.imail@fed1rmwml39>

Roll abrs were required by the California Sports Car Club in the last week of May in 1958. It was a surp[rise and accoutned for my square roll bar I used for two years.
---- Robert Johns <rjohns at woh.rr.com> wrote: 
From: Robert Johns

Subject: "Killed Myself When I was Young" Video
Yes , You can make a rather good case that we were crazy to race with out the
safety features used today, but in defense, every one was in the same boat.
As I have said, when in Europe we used the Nurburgring to practice on.  A very
good friend, Norman Babcock, was driving his MG-TD on the Nurburgring and when
he came back up the straight, over the fence from the Start and Finish line,
into the first hard left, going over the bridge, he over cooked it and went
straight off the curve. The TD flipped end over end and he dropped out as the
car went over.  He dropped onto the grass  and was unhurt.  The TD was
totaled.  Dumb luck, but that is the way it was.  Being in the Air Force,  I
had access to the old belts being replaced with new,  in the fighter planes
that I worked on.  So I installed one in my car, but the Europeans did not
believe in them at that point in time.  So, I certainly can relate to those
old photos.  When I raced out West in 1956, roll bars were not required.
There was a fatality at Sebring in 1957 and at Meadowdale, IL.in 1958, both
with no roll bars.  In fact, because I dropped out of racing after Sebring, to
go to college, I never got to drive  a car with a roll bar or roll cage.  I am
sure that Kas will concur with how things were in those early days of Sport
Car racing. I think roll bars became required by SCCA in either 1959 or 1960.
R.C. Johns
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From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Fri Mar  4 11:40:05 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 13:40:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>

I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed group.  He  
has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the southeast and  
will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next month.  Mark, his  
email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.

The following excerpt is from an email he sent me.  I'm sure he'll be a  
good addition to our group. Can I get a second?  Don

  "I've been into racing most anything that has a motor and wheels
since the 40's when in high school building hot rods. Took off a few years
while in college, but beginning in 1959 bought my first sports car, an
Austin Healy 3000 w/o a jump seat, next a MGB, then a Porsche 912, then a
Merc 280SL, now an Alfa Spider for the street and my TR3A for the track.
Crewed for a friend in the 60's with a bug-eye sprite in SCCA events then
got into motorcycles. I road motorcycle road-racers for about 10 years and
when I retired from riding, built and tuned 250cc GP road-racers with a
rider on the AMA pro circuit for about 7 years. We did pretty well, never
finished worse than 5th. in overall standings and won the national
championship in 1990. My good friend Ceasar Cone got me back into sports
car racing and when it came time to buy a car I decided that if I was going
vintage racing I wanted a truly vintage car and I think the TR3A is a
perfect truly vintage car.
  A little history on the TR3A. I have been able to trace its history
back to 1988 when it was found in a hanger already prepared as a race car  
by
a young man in Denver CO. It then went to the Dallas TX area, back to  
Denver
and then to Tulsa OK where I got the car. I am now the 6th. Owner since
1988. I have documented over 75 races the car has been in mostly in the
Midwest with CVRA, VSCDA, RMVA, at tracks such as Texas World, Hallet,
Second Creek, Casper, Stapleton, Steam Boat Springs, Copper Mountain,  
Eagles
Canyon, Blackhawk Farms. It ventured east a few times to Road America and
with SVRA at Mid Ohio and Watkins Glen."
--


From emanteno at comcast.net  Fri Mar  4 12:05:16 2011
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:05:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
References: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
Message-ID: <AANLkTincLsETcparm4ozPOF5ap9kqjKgSmHO6SLU7=b4@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Don Marshall <donmarshall at nefcom.net>wrote:

> I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed group.  He
> has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the southeast and
> will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next month.  Mark, his
> email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.
>
> The following excerpt is from an email he sent me.  I'm sure he'll be a
> good addition to our group. Can I get a second?  Don
>


Second. Welcome, John.


From jason at multivintage.com  Fri Mar  4 12:18:38 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:18:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
References: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2pxAyp1vqKDJ5dagA9zv-bB1NN2LiKQjkfVS=@mail.gmail.com>

That's quite a resume, I'll second it. Anyone who raced motorcycles,
certainly has the right guts for FOT.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Don Marshall <donmarshall at nefcom.net>wrote:

> I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed group.  He
> has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the southeast and
> will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next month.  Mark, his
> email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.
>
> The following excerpt is from an email he sent me.  I'm sure he'll be a
> good addition to our group. Can I get a second?  Don
>
>  "I've been into racing most anything that has a motor and wheels
> since the 40's when in high school building hot rods. Took off a few years
> while in college, but beginning in 1959 bought my first sports car, an
> Austin Healy 3000 w/o a jump seat, next a MGB, then a Porsche 912, then a
> Merc 280SL, now an Alfa Spider for the street and my TR3A for the track.
> Crewed for a friend in the 60's with a bug-eye sprite in SCCA events then
> got into motorcycles. I road motorcycle road-racers for about 10 years and
> when I retired from riding, built and tuned 250cc GP road-racers with a
> rider on the AMA pro circuit for about 7 years. We did pretty well, never
> finished worse than 5th. in overall standings and won the national
> championship in 1990. My good friend Ceasar Cone got me back into sports
> car racing and when it came time to buy a car I decided that if I was going
> vintage racing I wanted a truly vintage car and I think the TR3A is a
> perfect truly vintage car.
>  A little history on the TR3A. I have been able to trace its history
> back to 1988 when it was found in a hanger already prepared as a race car
> by
> a young man in Denver CO. It then went to the Dallas TX area, back to
> Denver
> and then to Tulsa OK where I got the car. I am now the 6th. Owner since
> 1988. I have documented over 75 races the car has been in mostly in the
> Midwest with CVRA, VSCDA, RMVA, at tracks such as Texas World, Hallet,
> Second Creek, Casper, Stapleton, Steam Boat Springs, Copper Mountain,
> Eagles
> Canyon, Blackhawk Farms. It ventured east a few times to Road America and
> with SVRA at Mid Ohio and Watkins Glen."
> --
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Fri Mar  4 12:18:46 2011
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 12:18:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
References: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
Message-ID: <AE28256B-6924-4DF9-B861-2317E0B534A9@earthlink.net>

That's got to be Larry & Tom Young's car. Second. And welcome John.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Mar 4, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Don Marshall wrote:

> I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed  
> group.  He
> has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the  
> southeast and
> will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next month.  Mark, his
> email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.
>
> The following excerpt is from an email he sent me.  I'm sure he'll  
> be a
> good addition to our group. Can I get a second?  Don
>
>   "I've been into racing most anything that has a motor and wheels
> since the 40's when in high school building hot rods. Took off a  
> few years
> while in college, but beginning in 1959 bought my first sports car, an
> Austin Healy 3000 w/o a jump seat, next a MGB, then a Porsche 912,  
> then a
> Merc 280SL, now an Alfa Spider for the street and my TR3A for the  
> track.
> Crewed for a friend in the 60's with a bug-eye sprite in SCCA  
> events then
> got into motorcycles. I road motorcycle road-racers for about 10  
> years and
> when I retired from riding, built and tuned 250cc GP road-racers  
> with a
> rider on the AMA pro circuit for about 7 years. We did pretty well,  
> never
> finished worse than 5th. in overall standings and won the national
> championship in 1990. My good friend Ceasar Cone got me back into  
> sports
> car racing and when it came time to buy a car I decided that if I  
> was going
> vintage racing I wanted a truly vintage car and I think the TR3A is a
> perfect truly vintage car.
>   A little history on the TR3A. I have been able to trace its history
> back to 1988 when it was found in a hanger already prepared as a  
> race car
> by
> a young man in Denver CO. It then went to the Dallas TX area, back to
> Denver
> and then to Tulsa OK where I got the car. I am now the 6th. Owner  
> since
> 1988. I have documented over 75 races the car has been in mostly in  
> the
> Midwest with CVRA, VSCDA, RMVA, at tracks such as Texas World, Hallet,
> Second Creek, Casper, Stapleton, Steam Boat Springs, Copper Mountain,
> Eagles
> Canyon, Blackhawk Farms. It ventured east a few times to Road  
> America and
> with SVRA at Mid Ohio and Watkins Glen."
> --
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Mar  4 12:30:39 2011
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 14:30:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & GT-6 pistons
Message-ID: <003401cbdaa2$a4de4ba0$ee9ae2e0$@rr.com>

The effort continues to raise funds for racing. I have two NOS sets of
AE-Hepolite pistons (pt# 18690V1) for the 1147 FB/FC prefix engine used in
the Spitfire & Herald & Amphicar. These are .030" oversize. This is 2 sets
of 4 each. I can send pictures. 

 

A number of head gaskets for an 1147.

 

Also there is a NOS set of .020" oversize Hepolite pistons for a GT-6 Mk3.
(pt# AE19178) 

 

Please inquire off line.

 

Russ Moore

Spitfire #49


From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Mar  4 12:37:43 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 13:37:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
References: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
Message-ID: <4D713F87.1050804@pobox.com>

Of course, I will second that, since John now has my yellow TR3.  He's 
already made some nice improvements that I never got around to.
Larry Young

On 3/4/2011 12:40 PM, Don Marshall wrote:
> I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed group.  He
> has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the southeast and
> will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next month.  Mark, his
> email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.
>
> The following excerpt is from an email he sent me.  I'm sure he'll be a
> good addition to our group. Can I get a second?  Don
>
>    "I've been into racing most anything that has a motor and wheels
> since the 40's when in high school building hot rods. Took off a few years
> while in college, but beginning in 1959 bought my first sports car, an
> Austin Healy 3000 w/o a jump seat, next a MGB, then a Porsche 912, then a
> Merc 280SL, now an Alfa Spider for the street and my TR3A for the track.
> Crewed for a friend in the 60's with a bug-eye sprite in SCCA events then
> got into motorcycles. I road motorcycle road-racers for about 10 years and
> when I retired from riding, built and tuned 250cc GP road-racers with a
> rider on the AMA pro circuit for about 7 years. We did pretty well, never
> finished worse than 5th. in overall standings and won the national
> championship in 1990. My good friend Ceasar Cone got me back into sports
> car racing and when it came time to buy a car I decided that if I was going
> vintage racing I wanted a truly vintage car and I think the TR3A is a
> perfect truly vintage car.
>    A little history on the TR3A. I have been able to trace its history
> back to 1988 when it was found in a hanger already prepared as a race car
> by
> a young man in Denver CO. It then went to the Dallas TX area, back to
> Denver
> and then to Tulsa OK where I got the car. I am now the 6th. Owner since
> 1988. I have documented over 75 races the car has been in mostly in the
> Midwest with CVRA, VSCDA, RMVA, at tracks such as Texas World, Hallet,
> Second Creek, Casper, Stapleton, Steam Boat Springs, Copper Mountain,
> Eagles
> Canyon, Blackhawk Farms. It ventured east a few times to Road America and
> with SVRA at Mid Ohio and Watkins Glen."
> --
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>
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Fri Mar  4 12:51:24 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:51:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
References: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A2E09FC107E@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

That car has made it from the mountains of the west to the eastern shore. I
owned it from 1996 to 2000. I bought it from Al Hughes, who lived in Austin
but had a house in Colorado. The prior owner was a Bill Miller from Colorado.
Al eventually brought it to Texas sold it to me and got me started in vintage
racing. I sold it to Jeff Wilt from Dallas and got him started. He sold it a
few years later to Larry Young, getting him in the fold. Larry improved the
car substantially while he owned it. It is great to know that the car is in
the hands of a soon to be FoT.

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson





-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Don Marshall
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 12:40 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Nomination

I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed group.  He
has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the southeast and
will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next month.  Mark, his
email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.

The following excerpt is from an email he sent me.  I'm sure he'll be a
good addition to our group. Can I get a second?  Don

  "I've been into racing most anything that has a motor and wheels
since the 40's when in high school building hot rods. Took off a few years
while in college, but beginning in 1959 bought my first sports car, an
Austin Healy 3000 w/o a jump seat, next a MGB, then a Porsche 912, then a
Merc 280SL, now an Alfa Spider for the street and my TR3A for the track.
Crewed for a friend in the 60's with a bug-eye sprite in SCCA events then
got into motorcycles. I road motorcycle road-racers for about 10 years and
when I retired from riding, built and tuned 250cc GP road-racers with a
rider on the AMA pro circuit for about 7 years. We did pretty well, never
finished worse than 5th. in overall standings and won the national
championship in 1990. My good friend Ceasar Cone got me back into sports
car racing and when it came time to buy a car I decided that if I was going
vintage racing I wanted a truly vintage car and I think the TR3A is a
perfect truly vintage car.
  A little history on the TR3A. I have been able to trace its history
back to 1988 when it was found in a hanger already prepared as a race car
by
a young man in Denver CO. It then went to the Dallas TX area, back to
Denver
and then to Tulsa OK where I got the car. I am now the 6th. Owner since
1988. I have documented over 75 races the car has been in mostly in the
Midwest with CVRA, VSCDA, RMVA, at tracks such as Texas World, Hallet,
Second Creek, Casper, Stapleton, Steam Boat Springs, Copper Mountain,
Eagles
Canyon, Blackhawk Farms. It ventured east a few times to Road America and
with SVRA at Mid Ohio and Watkins Glen."
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri Mar  4 14:08:54 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:08:54 EST
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Nomination
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In a message dated 03/04/2011 1:02:35 PM Central Standard Time, 
donmarshall at nefcom.net writes:


> I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed group.  He 
>  
> has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the southeast and  
> 
> will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next month.  Mark, his  
> email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.


Absolutely!  

I'll SECOND that nomination for another TR3 racer!

Bill Dentinger


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  5 07:06:13 2011
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 14:06:13 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Video on Vintage race crashes.
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Kas-

Did you have any rollovers before you put the roll bar in?  Or after? Seeing some of these guys get up and walk away is pretty amazing.  

Ty  
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:37:24 
To: FOT team<fot at autox.team.net>; Robert Johns<rjohns at woh.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Video on Vintage race crashes.

Roll abrs were required by the California Sports Car Club in the last week of May in 1958. It was a surp[rise and accoutned for my square roll bar I used for two years.
---- Robert Johns <rjohns at woh.rr.com> wrote: 
From: Robert Johns

Subject: "Killed Myself When I was Young" Video
Yes , You can make a rather good case that we were crazy to race with out the
safety features used today, but in defense, every one was in the same boat.
As I have said, when in Europe we used the Nurburgring to practice on.  A very
good friend, Norman Babcock, was driving his MG-TD on the Nurburgring and when
he came back up the straight, over the fence from the Start and Finish line,
into the first hard left, going over the bridge, he over cooked it and went
straight off the curve. The TD flipped end over end and he dropped out as the
car went over.  He dropped onto the grass  and was unhurt.  The TD was
totaled.  Dumb luck, but that is the way it was.  Being in the Air Force,  I
had access to the old belts being replaced with new,  in the fighter planes
that I worked on.  So I installed one in my car, but the Europeans did not
believe in them at that point in time.  So, I certainly can relate to those
old photos.  When I raced out West in 1956, roll bars were not required.
There was a fatality at Sebring in 1957 and at Meadowdale, IL.in 1958, both
with no roll bars.  In fact, because I dropped out of racing after Sebring, to
go to college, I never got to drive  a car with a roll bar or roll cage.  I am
sure that Kas will concur with how things were in those early days of Sport
Car racing. I think roll bars became required by SCCA in either 1959 or 1960.
R.C. Johns
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From kaskas at cox.net  Sat Mar  5 09:56:36 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 8:56:36 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Video on Vintage race crashes.
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Yes, I had one roll over in 1960 (my last race and then the factory folks found out I was racing). I had in my smaller round bar just in back of my head, and it protected me just fine. But my hard hat is what did the job for me. I still have my helmet and it has three marks about 1.5" in diameter. This was my second generation bar.  Never had a roll over in the previous 8 years. Several roll overs in my team cars, no one was ever knocked out or hurt in any way even though a couple of the cars were totaled.

---- tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote: 
Kas-

Did you have any rollovers before you put the roll bar in?  Or after? Seeing some of these guys get up and walk away is pretty amazing.  

Ty  
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>
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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:37:24 
To: FOT team<fot at autox.team.net>; Robert Johns<rjohns at woh.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Video on Vintage race crashes.

Roll abrs were required by the California Sports Car Club in the last week of May in 1958. It was a surp[rise and accoutned for my square roll bar I used for two years.
---- Robert Johns <rjohns at woh.rr.com> wrote: 
From: Robert Johns

Subject: "Killed Myself When I was Young" Video
Yes , You can make a rather good case that we were crazy to race with out the
safety features used today, but in defense, every one was in the same boat.
As I have said, when in Europe we used the Nurburgring to practice on.  A very
good friend, Norman Babcock, was driving his MG-TD on the Nurburgring and when
he came back up the straight, over the fence from the Start and Finish line,
into the first hard left, going over the bridge, he over cooked it and went
straight off the curve. The TD flipped end over end and he dropped out as the
car went over.  He dropped onto the grass  and was unhurt.  The TD was
totaled.  Dumb luck, but that is the way it was.  Being in the Air Force,  I
had access to the old belts being replaced with new,  in the fighter planes
that I worked on.  So I installed one in my car, but the Europeans did not
believe in them at that point in time.  So, I certainly can relate to those
old photos.  When I raced out West in 1956, roll bars were not required.
There was a fatality at Sebring in 1957 and at Meadowdale, IL.in 1958, both
with no roll bars.  In fact, because I dropped out of racing after Sebring, to
go to college, I never got to drive  a car with a roll bar or roll cage.  I am
sure that Kas will concur with how things were in those early days of Sport
Car racing. I think roll bars became required by SCCA in either 1959 or 1960.
R.C. Johns
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From jmwagner at tstonramp.com  Sat Mar  5 10:34:47 2011
From: jmwagner at tstonramp.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 09:34:47 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Of Topic: Great Shell Comercial
References: <1A2F6CC8-7E62-4F1F-AA64-0491FD904058@tstonramp.com>
Message-ID: <100F13CF-0A1C-4CC3-9779-6CA295596FA4@tstonramp.com>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Justin Wagner <jmwagner at tstonramp.com>
> Date: March 4, 2011 7:02:33 PM PST
> To: "jmwagner at greenheart.com" <jmwagner at greenheart.com>
> Subject: Justin:  Great Shell Comercial
> 

> 
>> Crank up your sound.
>>  
>>                              This should satisfy the need for speed...
>> Here's a Shell commercial shown in Europe .  They're selling gasoline, but
>> the cars used in the video steal the show.
>>  
>> Ferrari pulled several of their race cars from various ages out of
>> storage, flew them around the world, and filmed them running through the
>> streets of Rome , Rio , New York , Hong Kong, Honolulu , and Monaco .   No
>> CGI -these are the original cars on the original streets.
>> The best part is the sound - from the basso-profundo notes of the early,
>> front-engine era, each scene cuts to a later generation, ending with the
>> wail of a modern F1 car.
>> The sounds alone bring a tear to the eye. 
>> Even if you're not a gearhead, this video will stir the soul.
>> There's just something about 3 liters @ 14,000 RPM!
>>  
>>  
>> [ http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=1_kwxzU4wL4&vq=medium


From smockracer at charter.net  Sat Mar  5 20:52:25 2011
From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock )
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 19:52:25 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca
Message-ID: <0047D2A049D54847830653E01B2CC7FD@fred>

So far we have 10 hotel reservations and Car BIOs and Driver BIOs for  6 TR4s
, 3 TR3s and 1 Devin TR3. If you are going to come and PLAY please send me
Bios and pictures.   Paul Smock TR4A#190 at  smockracer at charter.net


From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Sat Mar  5 21:33:20 2011
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 04:33:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] no lbc  compressed nat. gas
Message-ID: <1187717589.894425.1299386000406.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

I would like to know if anyone is runningB  a CNG vehicle. or even gone as far
as to convert to vegetable oil for their diesel motors. I drive about 25k to
30k miles a year and the savings is intriguing but to be honest the last time
i started to think about this was after KatrinaB B  thanksB B B B  robB 


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Sun Mar  6 06:53:09 2011
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 06:53:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] I'd like to buy a vowel!
Message-ID: <SNT134-w41664B20042EF210E99C5E90C40@phx.gbl>

Any body out there got a "U" for a TR4?  My scottish blood won't let me buy a
whole set of letters..........................Cheers Henry Morrison,
Albuquerque, NM


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar  6 07:16:01 2011
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 06:16:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca
In-Reply-To: <0047D2A049D54847830653E01B2CC7FD@fred>
References: <0047D2A049D54847830653E01B2CC7FD@fred>
Message-ID: <63859.34923.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Paul - Joan and I have booked our air fair to LA.  We will be driving up the
coast to the San Francisco area for our FOT racing event and as much other fun
stuff that we can pack into the two week stint.  I have not figured out my
race 
car transport yet - I'll keep you informed.

Thanks
Dennis


So far we
have 10 hotel reservations and Car BIOs and Driver BIOs for  6 TR4s
, 3 TR3s
and 1 Devin TR3. If you are going to come and PLAY please send me
Bios and
pictures.  Paul Smock TR4A#190 at  smockracer at charter.net
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From markvaden at gmail.com  Sun Mar  6 09:41:32 2011
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 08:41:32 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca
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Hi Paul,

I am planning to come, and I will book a hotel now. The problem I have with
the bio, is I am planning on driving the new car, but I am hedging my bet a
bit, and if I don't finish in time, I plan to drive my white car. Do you
want a bio of the new car? I have tons of pictures etc.

-Mark

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Paul Smock <smockracer at charter.net> wrote:

> So far we have 10 hotel reservations and Car BIOs and Driver BIOs for  6
> TR4s
> , 3 TR3s and 1 Devin TR3. If you are going to come and PLAY please send me
> Bios and pictures.   Paul Smock TR4A#190 at  smockracer at charter.net
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From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Sun Mar  6 11:51:27 2011
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 12:51:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass Hood TR6
Message-ID: <674C5DEE-11C1-44EE-A149-6D1E22278233@wi.rr.com>

FoT,

Anybody have a lead on a fiberglass hood for a TR6?

Thanks,

Allen

Allen & Jody Washatko
1971 TR6  - Number 6


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Mar  6 14:53:26 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 22:53:26 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass Hood TR6
In-Reply-To: <674C5DEE-11C1-44EE-A149-6D1E22278233@wi.rr.com>
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Message-ID: <000101cbdc48$ee921c20$cbb65460$@com>

Honeybourne mouldings?

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Allen Washatko
Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Mdrz 2011 19:51
An: Friends of Triumph
Betreff: [Fot] Fiberglass Hood TR6

FoT,

Anybody have a lead on a fiberglass hood for a TR6?

Thanks,

Allen

Allen & Jody Washatko
1971 TR6  - Number 6
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sun Mar  6 17:23:14 2011
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 19:23:14 EST
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca
Message-ID: <19060.1dc7ab33.3aa57f72@cs.com>

Paul,

Thanks for the note.....my plan is to travel to Buttonw Willow  (British 
Extravaganza) for the weekend, first.

VARA has some things planned for the FOT that will have appeal to folks en 
route to Laguna Seca.     The KCUP committee might publish these features to 
the list.  Low cost entries....single day entries.....BBQ.....Photo 
Shoot.....Free overnight camping at the track.

Then we plan to travel up the PCH to Laguna Seca and meet up with my son(s) 
for the Kastner Cup.   

Track time has DOUBLED since the original proposal and that has appeal. 
EIGHT sessions in two days is more than the equivalent of an ordinary three day 
event.

This has the makings a great event....

Joe Alexander





> So far we have 10 hotel reservations and Car BIOs and Driver BIOs for  6 
> TR4s
> , 3 TR3s and 1 Devin TR3. If you are going to come and PLAY please send me
> Bios and pictures.   Paul Smock TR4A#190 at  smockracer at charter.net
> _______________________________________________
> 

</HTML>


From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  7 06:27:09 2011
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 08:27:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass Hood TR6
In-Reply-To: <000101cbdc48$ee921c20$cbb65460$@com>
References: <674C5DEE-11C1-44EE-A149-6D1E22278233@wi.rr.com>,
	<000101cbdc48$ee921c20$cbb65460$@com>
Message-ID: <SNT136-w23D4275188FEDE599FAA84F9C70@phx.gbl>

I have lightweight racing hoods, decks, and fenders for TR6's. Biggest problem
I have is shipping them. Located in Ohio

Contact me @ Atr6racer at hotmail.com

Sam

> From: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 22:53:26 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fiberglass Hood TR6
>
> Honeybourne mouldings?
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Allen Washatko
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Mdrz 2011 19:51
> An: Friends of Triumph
> Betreff: [Fot] Fiberglass Hood TR6
>
> FoT,
>
> Anybody have a lead on a fiberglass hood for a TR6?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Allen
>
> Allen & Jody Washatko
> 1971 TR6 - Number 6
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From ac at camoletti.ch  Mon Mar  7 07:25:47 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 15:25:47 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
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References: <op.vrt0s3scairs7i@don-pc.belkin>
  <4D713F87.1050804@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <004b01cbdcd3$8dc32de0$a94989a0$@camoletti.ch>

Seconded by me too, I immediately recognised Larry's great TR3 (I was runner
up last October in trying to buy it, John was there first, and rightfully
got it) I am pleased and happy it went to such good hands and fellow!
Welcome John, and let us know how it works  with 16!

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Larry Young
Envoyi : vendredi 4 mars 2011 20:38
@ : fot at autox.team.net
Cc : John Hasty
Objet : Re: [Fot] Nomination

Of course, I will second that, since John now has my yellow TR3.  He's
already made some nice improvements that I never got around to.
Larry Young

On 3/4/2011 12:40 PM, Don Marshall wrote:
> I'd like to nominate John Hasty for membership in our esteemed group.
> He has recently started racing a well prepared TR3 here in the
> southeast and will be joining us in the Triumph Ghetto at VIR next
> month.  Mark, his email address is jhhasty at gdhs.com.
>
> The following excerpt is from an email he sent me.  I'm sure he'll be
> a good addition to our group. Can I get a second?  Don
>
>    "I've been into racing most anything that has a motor and wheels
> since the 40's when in high school building hot rods. Took off a few
> years while in college, but beginning in 1959 bought my first sports
> car, an Austin Healy 3000 w/o a jump seat, next a MGB, then a Porsche
> 912, then a Merc 280SL, now an Alfa Spider for the street and my TR3A for
the track.
> Crewed for a friend in the 60's with a bug-eye sprite in SCCA events
> then got into motorcycles. I road motorcycle road-racers for about 10
> years and when I retired from riding, built and tuned 250cc GP
> road-racers with a rider on the AMA pro circuit for about 7 years. We
> did pretty well, never finished worse than 5th. in overall standings
> and won the national championship in 1990. My good friend Ceasar Cone
> got me back into sports car racing and when it came time to buy a car
> I decided that if I was going vintage racing I wanted a truly vintage
> car and I think the TR3A is a perfect truly vintage car.
>    A little history on the TR3A. I have been able to trace its history
> back to 1988 when it was found in a hanger already prepared as a race
> car by a young man in Denver CO. It then went to the Dallas TX area,
> back to Denver and then to Tulsa OK where I got the car. I am now the
> 6th. Owner since 1988. I have documented over 75 races the car has
> been in mostly in the Midwest with CVRA, VSCDA, RMVA, at tracks such
> as Texas World, Hallet, Second Creek, Casper, Stapleton, Steam Boat
> Springs, Copper Mountain, Eagles Canyon, Blackhawk Farms. It ventured
> east a few times to Road America and with SVRA at Mid Ohio and Watkins
> Glen."
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Mar  7 10:39:05 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 12:39:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 4A motor
Message-ID: <7653BEF734734A36B0F40786513AA4AE@gdhs.local>

Does anyone who plans to attend VIR in April have a 4A motor or block, crank
& head which they would like to sell?

John H. Hasty
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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Mon Mar  7 15:52:50 2011
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 16:52:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors
Message-ID: <C22F4A3F0AA3EA488D30A42FC8A4817639B0102D44@DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local>

Mark,



You out there I have tried every where I can to get the part number for the
Brembo rotors and no luck. Do you have the part number??



Mark Craig

Diesel Performance Parts, INC.

411 Allied Drive

Nashville, TN 37211

866-455-7788 Phone

615-834-9923 Fax



www.dieselperformanceparts.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Diesel Performance Parts - Info
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:18 AM
To: 'openwheeldriver at frontiernet.net'
Subject: RE: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help



Awesome thanks!!  Any chance you have the part number??



Mark Craig

Diesel Performance Parts, INC.

411 Allied Drive

Nashville, TN 37211

866-455-7788 Phone

615-834-9923 Fax



www.dieselperformanceparts.com



-----Original Message-----

From: openwheeldriver at frontiernet.net
[mailto:openwheeldriver at frontiernet.net]

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:17 AM

To: Diesel Performance Parts - Info

Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help



yes they are a bolt on item

----- Original Message -----

From: "Diesel Performance Parts - Info" <info at dieselperformanceparts.com>

To: <openwheeldriver at frontiernet.net>

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 11:11 AM

Subject: RE: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help





Ok great are the stock in that they fit the stock GT6 spindle and caliper

etc. Just a bolt on deal??



Mark Craig

Diesel Performance Parts, INC.

411 Allied Drive

Nashville, TN 37211

866-455-7788 Phone

615-834-9923 Fax



www.dieselperformanceparts.com

-----Original Message-----

From: openwheeldriver at frontiernet.net

[mailto:openwheeldriver at frontiernet.net]

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:06 AM

To: Diesel Performance Parts - Info

Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help



Hi Mark I use Brembo rotors on My GT6R Le Mans Clone run in Group #3  w/

911's alot on Watkins Glen

high speed heavy braking  goes thru a set of hawk pads in a weekend best

rotors I've used so far

Mark

British Racing Group

----- Original Message -----

From: "Diesel Performance Parts - Info" <info at dieselperformanceparts.com>

To: <fot at autox.team.net>

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:35 AM

Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help





> Hey Listers,

>

> What's the best source for GT6 rotors for a racing Spitfire. I know of all

> the

> normal outlets for pats, but am concerned that I get the best quality for

> the

> purpose of racing. I plan to cyro the rotors and would really like some

> that

> are slotted if anyone knows of them somewhere. As always thanks!!

>

> Mark Craig

> 615-347-0260


Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax

www.dieselperformanceparts.com


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Mar  8 09:14:14 2011
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 08:14:14 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
Message-ID: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>

FOT,

Now that we're 90 days from our big event,

Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna  
Seca June 7&8 and what car are you running?

Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble  
downloading and printing the entry form posted HERE: http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm

Roll call, please.

~Steve


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Mar  8 09:34:50 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 10:34:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20110308163455.ECF5B18763E@autox.team.net>

Tony Drews, TR-4 #95

At 10:14 AM 3/8/2011, Steven Belfer wrote:
>FOT,
>
>Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
>Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna
>Seca June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
>Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble
>downloading and printing the entry form posted HERE: 
>http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
>Roll call, please.
>
>~Steve


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Mar  8 09:42:54 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 08:42:54 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E6592D9CBE2E4666A7103CA3D6778844@Charly>

I'm planning on attending and bringing my TR6.  I'm a little confused, 
someone from the list asked the same information last week, I think on 
Saturday.  I sent the same info to that person and I don't remember who it 
was, maybe Paul Smock
I asked for a bio info sheet and stated I already had hotel reservations.
Who is the person that we need to co-ordinate with?
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call


> FOT,
>
> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna  Seca 
> June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble  downloading 
> and printing the entry form posted HERE: 
> http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
> Roll call, please.
>
> ~Steve
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue Mar  8 09:52:59 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 06:52:59 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <80B8A2DD-671E-4146-B0E8-E61213DEDCEB@bnj.com>

I'll be there, with Peyote.

On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:14 AM, Steven Belfer wrote:

> FOT,
>
> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna Seca
June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble downloading and
printing the entry form posted HERE:
http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
> Roll call, please.
>
> ~Steve
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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>

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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Mar  8 10:03:44 2011
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 09:03:44 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <E6592D9CBE2E4666A7103CA3D6778844@Charly>
References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
	<E6592D9CBE2E4666A7103CA3D6778844@Charly>
Message-ID: <9AFE06A7-D319-48F4-9D41-A06577771449@earthlink.net>

Sorry for the confusion.  Entrants are contacting paul directly with  
photos & bios.  I just wanted to start another email thread for all to  
see, another way to build momentum for the event.

I'll be there too.   Triumph TR3B

~Steve



On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote:

I'm planning on attending and bringing my TR6.  I'm a little confused,  
someone from the list asked the same information last week, I think on  
Saturday.  I sent the same info to that person and I don't remember  
who it was, maybe Paul Smock
I asked for a bio info sheet and stated I already had hotel  
reservations.
Who is the person that we need to co-ordinate with?
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44



----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net 
 >
To: "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call


> FOT,
>
> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna   
> Seca June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble   
> downloading and printing the entry form posted HERE: http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
> Roll call, please.
>
> ~Steve
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From haretoday at comcast.net  Tue Mar  8 10:41:09 2011
From: haretoday at comcast.net (haretoday at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:41:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <E6592D9CBE2E4666A7103CA3D6778844@Charly>
Message-ID: <1935453829.1469501.1299606069930.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hi Steven



I also am attending.B  I sent my entry form and $$ on 2-25-2011.B 
Reservations also have been made.

B #85

1963 Spit.B  F or G production

Yellow/black checkerboard

A longtime S.F. region car.B  Now 5 years with SOVREN and occasionaly with
HMSA.

If more of a bio is needed please let me know.



Thanks ALL for taking this on.B  I certainly enjoyed the Portland K Kup!

Steve Hare
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charly Mitchel" <charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
To: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>, "friends of triumph"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:42:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call

I'm planning on attending and bringing my TR6. B I'm a little confused,
someone from the list asked the same information last week, I think on
Saturday. B I sent the same info to that person and I don't remember who it
was, maybe Paul Smock
I asked for a bio info sheet and stated I already had hotel reservations.
Who is the person that we need to co-ordinate with?
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44



----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call


> FOT,
>
> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna B Seca
> June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble B downloading
> and printing the entry form posted HERE:
> http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
> Roll call, please.
>
> ~Steve
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From jfrymark at aol.com  Tue Mar  8 13:05:00 2011
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 12:05:00 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Roll Call
Message-ID: <D2DD92A9-DEC2-4679-B016-C48D708B3D9D@aol.com>

Of course I'm in. I'll probably enter the British Extravaganza at  
Buttonwillow too. Get all my racing in one week!

John Frymark


From gasket.works at gte.net  Tue Mar  8 13:32:33 2011
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 20:32:33 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <9AFE06A7-D319-48F4-9D41-A06577771449@earthlink.net>
References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net><E6592D9CBE2E4666A7103CA3D6778844@Charly><9AFE06A7-D319-48F4-9D41-A06577771449@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1293962580-1299616353-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1469359659-@bda712.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Wouldn"t miss this event. Perhaps bring two cars. As well as a  Buttonwillow warm up.

Mordy


Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 09:03:44 
To: Charly Mitchel<charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
Cc: friends of triumph<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call

Sorry for the confusion.  Entrants are contacting paul directly with  
photos & bios.  I just wanted to start another email thread for all to  
see, another way to build momentum for the event.

I'll be there too.   Triumph TR3B

~Steve



On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote:

I'm planning on attending and bringing my TR6.  I'm a little confused,  
someone from the list asked the same information last week, I think on  
Saturday.  I sent the same info to that person and I don't remember  
who it was, maybe Paul Smock
I asked for a bio info sheet and stated I already had hotel  
reservations.
Who is the person that we need to co-ordinate with?
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44



----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net 
 >
To: "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call


> FOT,
>
> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna   
> Seca June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble   
> downloading and printing the entry form posted HERE: http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
> Roll call, please.
>
> ~Steve
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From John.Reed at wilson.com  Tue Mar  8 14:06:23 2011
From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:06:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <1293962580-1299616353-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1469359659-@bda712.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <C99BF66F.716F%John.Reed@wilson.com>

Mordy,
Are you looking for someone to drive your second car, I mean you can't drive
two cars at once, and would love to help you out... nudge nudge

     John
Zippy Racing



On 3/8/11 2:32 PM, "gasket.works at gte.net" <gasket.works at gte.net> wrote:

Wouldn"t miss this event. Perhaps bring two cars. As well as a  Buttonwillow
warm up.

Mordy


Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 09:03:44
To: Charly Mitchel<charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
Cc: friends of triumph<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call

Sorry for the confusion.  Entrants are contacting paul directly with
photos & bios.  I just wanted to start another email thread for all to
see, another way to build momentum for the event.

I'll be there too.   Triumph TR3B

~Steve



On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote:

I'm planning on attending and bringing my TR6.  I'm a little confused,
someone from the list asked the same information last week, I think on
Saturday.  I sent the same info to that person and I don't remember
who it was, maybe Paul Smock
I asked for a bio info sheet and stated I already had hotel
reservations.
Who is the person that we need to co-ordinate with?
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44



----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net
 >
To: "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call


> FOT,
>
> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna
> Seca June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble
> downloading and printing the entry form posted HERE:
http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
> Roll call, please.
>
> ~Steve
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Tue Mar  8 14:59:11 2011
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 13:59:11 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
Message-ID: <13441201.1299621551670.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Racers,  I am glad to hear that most of you are going to run our VARA event the weekend before.  The B.E. is always a great event with lots of track time for a low entry fee.  If you have a questions feel free to ask me I am the co chairman for the event.  Also Joe Alexander is working with the boys back East.  thanks Joe Siam


-----Original Message-----
>From: gasket.works at gte.net
>Sent: Mar 8, 2011 12:32 PM
>To: 
>Cc: friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
>
>Wouldn"t miss this event. Perhaps bring two cars. As well as a  Buttonwillow warm up.
>
>Mordy
>
>
>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
>Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
>Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 09:03:44 
>To: Charly Mitchel<charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
>Cc: friends of triumph<fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
>
>Sorry for the confusion.  Entrants are contacting paul directly with  
>photos & bios.  I just wanted to start another email thread for all to  
>see, another way to build momentum for the event.
>
>I'll be there too.   Triumph TR3B
>
>~Steve
>
>
>
>On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote:
>
>I'm planning on attending and bringing my TR6.  I'm a little confused,  
>someone from the list asked the same information last week, I think on  
>Saturday.  I sent the same info to that person and I don't remember  
>who it was, maybe Paul Smock
>I asked for a bio info sheet and stated I already had hotel  
>reservations.
>Who is the person that we need to co-ordinate with?
>Charly Mitchel
>TR6 #44
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net 
> >
>To: "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 AM
>Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
>
>
>> FOT,
>>
>> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>>
>> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna   
>> Seca June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>>
>> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble   
>> downloading and printing the entry form posted HERE: http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>>
>> Roll call, please.
>>
>> ~Steve
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Tue Mar  8 15:48:49 2011
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:48:49 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <C99BF66F.716F%John.Reed@wilson.com>
References: <1293962580-1299616353-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1469359659-@bda712.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><C99BF66F.716F%John.Reed@wilson.com>
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Interesting idea.  Let me think about it...
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: "Reed, John" <John.Reed at wilson.com>
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 15:06:23 
To: gasket.works at gte.net<gasket.works at gte.net>
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph'<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call

Mordy,
Are you looking for someone to drive your second car, I mean you can't drive two cars at once, and would love to help you out... nudge nudge

     John
Zippy Racing



On 3/8/11 2:32 PM, "gasket.works at gte.net" <gasket.works at gte.net> wrote:

Wouldn"t miss this event. Perhaps bring two cars. As well as a  Buttonwillow warm up.

Mordy


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-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 09:03:44
To: Charly Mitchel<charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
Cc: friends of triumph<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call

Sorry for the confusion.  Entrants are contacting paul directly with
photos & bios.  I just wanted to start another email thread for all to
see, another way to build momentum for the event.

I'll be there too.   Triumph TR3B

~Steve



On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote:

I'm planning on attending and bringing my TR6.  I'm a little confused,
someone from the list asked the same information last week, I think on
Saturday.  I sent the same info to that person and I don't remember
who it was, maybe Paul Smock
I asked for a bio info sheet and stated I already had hotel
reservations.
Who is the person that we need to co-ordinate with?
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44



----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net
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To: "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call


> FOT,
>
> Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
> Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna
> Seca June 7&8 and what car are you running?
>
> Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble
> downloading and printing the entry form posted HERE: http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
> Roll call, please.
>
> ~Steve
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From kaenel at pacbell.net  Tue Mar  8 19:21:22 2011
From: kaenel at pacbell.net (Preston Kaenel)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:21:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <661358.86876.qm@web180009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Preston Kaenel 1959 TR3A #46

Called in my entry on Friday and they said only 3-4 entries so far.




________________________________
From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 8:14:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call

FOT,

Now that we're 90 days from our big event,

Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna Seca June 
7&8 and what car are you running?

Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble downloading and 
printing the entry form posted HERE: 
http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm

Roll call, please.

~Steve
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Mar  8 21:41:11 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 22:41:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <661358.86876.qm@web180009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
	<661358.86876.qm@web180009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20110309044121.921E8187656@autox.team.net>

I've not sent my entry to HMSA yet but will in the next week.  I'm 
also looking at doing some portion of the Buttonwillow event the 
weekend before - details on where to look for info about that event 
would be helpful.

Tony Drews

At 08:21 PM 3/8/2011, Preston Kaenel wrote:
>Preston Kaenel 1959 TR3A #46
>
>Called in my entry on Friday and they said only 3-4 entries so far.
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
>To: friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 8:14:14 AM
>Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
>
>FOT,
>
>Now that we're 90 days from our big event,
>
>Who's planning on attending the K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna Seca June
>7&8 and what car are you running?
>
>Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble downloading and
>printing the entry form posted HERE:
>http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm
>
>Roll call, please.
>
>~Steve
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  8 23:48:58 2011
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:48:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call
In-Reply-To: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
References: <9494A3F1-4036-40CC-92EF-C9931CF4CEF3@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <254306.71024.qm@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Mike Mehl #46 62 TR4
 from Vancouver Washington is planning on attending.  I
am keeping my fingers 
crossed that engine # 3 holds together.   As far as
lodging.  I will be slepping 
in a tent or Jeff Quick's race car trailer.  You
know 3 engines in three races 
adds up.

Mike
________________________________
From: Steven Belfer
<colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Tue, March 8, 2011 8:14:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2011 Roll Call

FOT,
Now that we're 90 days from our big event,

Who's planning on attending the
K-cup race at Mazda Raceway, Laguna Seca June 
7&8 and what car are you
running?

Also, feel free to email me directly If you have any trouble
downloading and 
printing the entry form posted HERE:
http://www.fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/index.htm

Roll call, please.

~Steve
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Thu Mar 10 05:09:10 2011
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 06:09:10 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Paging Steve Belfer
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2yYfC=ep0nfSuTRJzD1MgBdTqcH9aLmGfOVAg@mail.gmail.com>

FOT,

Please excuse the interruption.

Steve,

Would you please contact me off list?

Thanks,

Irv Korey


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Mar 10 12:00:16 2011
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:00:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Type A OD, either 22% or 28% (AH)
Message-ID: <000301cbdf55$666af190$3340d4b0$@com>

Our OD on the TR4 race car got pretty well destroyed at the last race in
September.  The uni-directional clutch disintegrated and pretty well wiped
out the annulus, planet carrier, sun gear and main shaft.  It is a 22/1374
unit.  I'm looking for another unit to rebuild and put on the car.  We have
a 4.3 diff so the OD is pretty much needed on the long straights.  A 28% OD,
such as a 28/1447, which was used on the big Healy's I think, would be an
improvement.  I think a 22/1753 as used on the TR4A would also work.  We
currently have a TR3 transmission plus one spare TR3 transmission and a
spare TR4 transmission.

 

I didn't think the damage would be that extensive or I'd have started this
project sooner!  I've since learned that the uni-directional clutch (UDC)
provides the driving torque from the main shaft to the UDC spline and
rollers to the UDC outer race in the annulus output shaft.  Apparently the
cone clutch does not have enough torque to maintain the sun gear stationary
on the brake plate in direct drive.

 

I can get replacement used parts from John Esposito at Quantumechanics, when
they become available, but would still like to have a spare unit to rebuild
and have on hand.  Something tells me this will not be the last time this
happens!!  Plus if I can find a unit we may not have to miss any races this
year.

 

Thanks for any info and advice you can give, always appreciated and always
trying to learn moreJ

 

Tim Murphy

1961 TR4 #317


From igofaster at att.net  Thu Mar 10 14:54:40 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:54:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake bias question..
Message-ID: <839631.77690.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

My brakes on my 71 TR6 are totally done. I found a new old stock brass bias 
differential brake junction unit. It leaks like the old one did... the large 
bolt at the end.. Am I missing something simple?   dang it ... I can't find a 
new one with Rimmer, Vicky Britt, or Moss...
What is the cool upgrade without going full race on this setup?

Bobby Whitehead


From billb at bnj.com  Thu Mar 10 15:00:49 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:00:49 -1000
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake bias question..
In-Reply-To: <839631.77690.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <839631.77690.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4DAC27C1-700E-40AA-B8E1-7B33DB6B0B9C@bnj.com>

In the past I've just used two simple junctions with a residual pressure valve
for the disk brakes: A T for the front/rear junctions with the residual
pressure valve inline for the line leading to the front brakes, and then a T
for the right/left front brakes. Make up all the connections with aircraft
style flares and it won't leak after you take them on and off a few times like
the bubble or reverse taper ones do.

On Mar 10, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote:

> My brakes on my 71 TR6 are totally done. I found a new old stock brass bias
> differential brake junction unit. It leaks like the old one did... the large
> bolt at the end.. Am I missing something simple?   dang it ... I can't find
a
> new one with Rimmer, Vicky Britt, or Moss...
> What is the cool upgrade without going full race on this setup?
>
> Bobby Whitehead
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Thu Mar 10 15:01:49 2011
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:01:49 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake bias question..
In-Reply-To: <839631.77690.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <839631.77690.qm@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=pc8q0T+pRnab3HEFzNUYMGPBa-2wnsfSSbFDA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net> wrote:

> My brakes on my 71 TR6 are totally done. I found a new old stock brass bias
> differential brake junction unit. It leaks like the old one did... the
> large
> bolt at the end.. Am I missing something simple?   dang it ... I can't find
> a
> new one with Rimmer, Vicky Britt, or Moss...
> What is the cool upgrade without going full race on this setup?
>

Bobby,

Follow the link to a great step by step instruction on rebuilding the PDWA.
It's not difficult.


http://www.74tr6.com/pdwa.htm

Irv Korey


From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Thu Mar 10 20:06:18 2011
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:06:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Video on Vintage race crashes.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.75.1299333979.23293.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.75.1299333979.23293.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4D7991AA.2000507@twcny.rr.com>

The first start reminds me of the start of this excellent book out now: 
"Go Like Hell" which starts with the story lead in to this spectacular 
crash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAV2RnR5lOQ&feature=fvwrel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwDC5VEUXUw&feature=related - this one 
has some great triumph shots including digging one out...

Cannot recommend this book enough - story of Ferrari, racing history as 
it leads up to the Ferrari/Ford wars of the mid 60s at Le Mans, seat 
belts, Shelby its all covered in the context of the auto market of the 
mid 60s. It was so good that I finished it on a trip and started it over 
just to kill time. I read it all the way through twice in a row...

Cheers,

M


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Mar 11 06:46:18 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:46:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Remembering Fred Thomas
Message-ID: <8CDAE09D53F12D0-125C-B7D4@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com>

 Although he wasnt on the list at the end, and he didnt race his Triumphs,
Fred Thomas was one of us.

He was on the FOT list for awhile, and joined us in the paddock when he could.
He celebrated his 70th birthday with us at VIR a few years ago.

If you knew him, no more needs to be said.

R.I.P.


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Mar 11 08:55:37 2011
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:55:37 EST
Subject: [Fot] Fred Thomas    Virginia International Raceway   April
Message-ID: <15c07.7bca4e66.3aab9ff9@cs.com>

It would be nice to take a moment at VIR, when we gather there in April, to 
remember  Fred Thomas.  

I will try to remember bring a picture of him at VIR when I was there last.

A real Triumph character.......

Joe A</HTML>


From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Sat Mar 12 07:38:15 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 09:38:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] New Kirkey seat for sale
Message-ID: <op.vr8ix1tfairs7i@don-pc.belkin>

For sale - new Kirkey seat for bigger boys or girls...

I have a brand new Kirkey seat with deluxe cover that's too big for me.   
It's the 18" Intermediate seat with 20 degree layback, Kirkey part number  
is 36900.   If you're a big guy you might need one like this.  Summit  
sells these, with the cover, for $240 plus shipping.  This seat has never  
been drilled or installed and the cover just came out of the box so  
they're both in perfect new shape.  I can bring it to VIR and save the  
shipping if you're going to be there next month or someone can carry it  
home for you.  Asking $200 delivered to VIR.  Contact me off line for more  
information.  Thanks, Don
--


From igofaster at att.net  Sat Mar 12 13:56:20 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:56:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 sway bars..
Message-ID: <626466.52529.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

While I'm waiting for parts to come in for brakes, I decided to install some 
Aadco sway bars I bought a few years back. The rear bar went on pretty easily, 
there are a couple of large washers on each side of the trailing arm where the 
spring sets down inside. I was able to move the long bolts and washers in from 
the bottom side of the trailing arm. With 4 washers I guess it will seat and 
hold well. The install was pretty simple.
Now, I'm on the front sway bar and I've removed the radiator and the old 
hardware and bar. These dang end links are puny to begin with. Even the mount to 
the lower A arm is bent and kind of flimsy.
So what is the cool upgrade end link and maybe beefed up attachment to the A 
arms that might actually push back and hold under cornering?
BTW.. GT6 is in the shop with British Auto in Fort Worth... I never did get it 
dialed in right with my knuckle smacking nuts and bolts knowledge...  The 
SU175's were a little lean and the fuel bowl level wasn't just exactly right. 
Compression was on the low side too around 120-130...  so, initially, I may not 
have lined up the cam just right, not knowing exactly how to do it... I did it 
the best I could by my shop manual and novice mechanic skills. It's been a 
decade since I assembled an engine, and that was mostly stock... so, I'm hoping 
it's just an alignment issue...  we'll see and I'll post soon...
All the best ....   Bobby Whitehead   


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Mar 12 20:43:15 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 22:43:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ebay Triumph racer
Message-ID: <779081.50903.qm@smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://tinyurl.com/4ott8jr
 
Dolomite sprint
 
Paul


From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Sun Mar 13 10:37:09 2011
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 12:37:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Part needed
Message-ID: <CA4731D9C6F84738B7146F95E3F2D2C1@userb38463fba5>

TR 4 thru 250, maybe 6


Does anyone have the little clamp device that clamps the actuating rod for the
scuttle vent opening and closing. I'm in need of one and it doesn't look like
the Big 3 sell them.

Gladly pay a reasonable price and shipping.

Thanks,

Jerry Van Vlack


From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Mar 14 00:34:42 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 01:34:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Front Hubs, TR-2/3/4/5/6/250
Message-ID: <20110314063446.176BD187647@autox.team.net>

I had previously solicited interest from this group for a limited run 
of Aluminum Front Hubs for the big TR's.  I have the hubs back from 
manufacturing and am ready to take orders - I believe that I have 
contacted everyone who was "on the list".  However, if you were 
waiting to hear from me that these are ready to go and didn't get a 
message from me, please contact me off-list.

Details here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Aluminum%20Hubs/AluminumFrontHubs.htm

Thanks, Tony Drews


From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 14 08:18:57 2011
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 07:18:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report
Message-ID: <944268.90054.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I honestly wasn't trying to see how many alliterative "R's" I could get into
the 
title...it just worked out that way.

Anyway, for those of you
interested, we competed in two ChumpCar 7-hour 
endurance races at "The Rock"
(road course configuration) this weekend with our 
1975 TR6 "Lacey".  There's
only one class, so we were out there with everything 
from a '64 Chevy pickup
(!) to a BMW E36, Miatas, Mustangs, Fieros, Saabs, 
Nissan Z's and a really
quick Mercedes 300.

Saturday, we had some off-course excursions and some
imperfect fuel strategy, 
ended up in 12th place -- although we were pretty
happy because the car ran well 
all day and that's the best finish we've ever
had (27 cars competed this 
weekend).

Sunday was even better, with the team
driving more consistently and fueling 
going better.  We ran top-5 most of the
day, but a late race "splash and 
go" stop dropped us to 6th at the checker. 
Still was phenominal as far as we 
were concerned since we finished ahead of a
LOT of much faster cars due to 
consistency.  For all but one of our
drivers this was either our 3rd and 4th or 
4th and 5th races ever, so we're
pretty happy right now.  


To top it all off, the team received the "Spirit
of Chump" award as the team 
that "gets" what ChumpCar is all about, drives
well and courteously, and gets 
more out of their car that anyone has a right
to expect...

Our next race is a 14 hour event at Charlotte Motor Speedway
(road course 
configuration) April 23...if anyone out there is interested in
joining us or 
forming a ChumpCar or LeMons team of their own, shoot me an
email and we'll be 
happy to help!

Jamie Palmer
Squadron Leader
RiffRAF
Racing
'75 TR6 ChumpCar


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Mar 14 08:40:45 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:40:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report
In-Reply-To: <944268.90054.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <944268.90054.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CDB06CEFB34980-12C4-32B43@webmail-d081.sysops.aol.com>

 This is VERY COOL and another facet of what we do.

 Thanks for sharing this.

ChumpCar and 24 Hours of LEMONS   has taken off.

We have two ChumpCar events in our area, coming up and I would like to
attend....time permitting.   ha!

I think John Nikas participated in a TR7 and Bob Kramer is involved with a
TR6.

JA










-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie Palmer <tr6driver at yahoo.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2011 9:18 am
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report


I honestly wasn't trying to see how many alliterative "R's" I could get into

the

title...it just worked out that way.



Anyway, for those of you

interested, we competed in two ChumpCar 7-hour

endurance races at "The Rock"

(road course configuration) this weekend with our

1975 TR6 "Lacey".  There's

only one class, so we were out there with everything

from a '64 Chevy pickup

(!) to a BMW E36, Miatas, Mustangs, Fieros, Saabs,

Nissan Z's and a really

quick Mercedes 300.



Saturday, we had some off-course excursions and some

imperfect fuel strategy,

ended up in 12th place -- although we were pretty

happy because the car ran well

all day and that's the best finish we've ever

had (27 cars competed this

weekend).



Sunday was even better, with the team

driving more consistently and fueling

going better.  We ran top-5 most of the

day, but a late race "splash and

go" stop dropped us to 6th at the checker.

Still was phenominal as far as we

were concerned since we finished ahead of a

LOT of much faster cars due to

consistency.  For all but one of our

drivers this was either our 3rd and 4th or

4th and 5th races ever, so we're

pretty happy right now.





To top it all off, the team received the "Spirit

of Chump" award as the team

that "gets" what ChumpCar is all about, drives

well and courteously, and gets

more out of their car that anyone has a right

to expect...



Our next race is a 14 hour event at Charlotte Motor Speedway

(road course

configuration) April 23...if anyone out there is interested in

joining us or

forming a ChumpCar or LeMons team of their own, shoot me an

email and we'll be

happy to help!



Jamie Palmer

Squadron Leader

RiffRAF

Racing

'75 TR6 ChumpCar

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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Mar 14 09:27:42 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:27:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report
In-Reply-To: <8CDB06CEFB34980-12C4-32B43@webmail-d081.sysops.aol.com>
References: <944268.90054.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<8CDB06CEFB34980-12C4-32B43@webmail-d081.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A2E0ADCE88C@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

We have our crap can TR6 Lemon's car on the lift getting prepped for the April
23/24 Lemon's race at Eagles Canyon in Decatur TX. The track is about an hour
NW of Fort Worth, not that far from the Oklahoma border. We have a team of 6
drivers and 3 crew so far, but we can handle more if anyone wants to join us.

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson





-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 9:41 AM
To: tr6driver at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report

 This is VERY COOL and another facet of what we do.

 Thanks for sharing this.

ChumpCar and 24 Hours of LEMONS   has taken off.

We have two ChumpCar events in our area, coming up and I would like to
attend....time permitting.   ha!

I think John Nikas participated in a TR7 and Bob Kramer is involved with a
TR6.

JA










-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie Palmer <tr6driver at yahoo.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2011 9:18 am
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report


I honestly wasn't trying to see how many alliterative "R's" I could get into

the

title...it just worked out that way.



Anyway, for those of you

interested, we competed in two ChumpCar 7-hour

endurance races at "The Rock"

(road course configuration) this weekend with our

1975 TR6 "Lacey".  There's

only one class, so we were out there with everything

from a '64 Chevy pickup

(!) to a BMW E36, Miatas, Mustangs, Fieros, Saabs,

Nissan Z's and a really

quick Mercedes 300.



Saturday, we had some off-course excursions and some

imperfect fuel strategy,

ended up in 12th place -- although we were pretty

happy because the car ran well

all day and that's the best finish we've ever

had (27 cars competed this

weekend).



Sunday was even better, with the team

driving more consistently and fueling

going better.  We ran top-5 most of the

day, but a late race "splash and

go" stop dropped us to 6th at the checker.

Still was phenominal as far as we

were concerned since we finished ahead of a

LOT of much faster cars due to

consistency.  For all but one of our

drivers this was either our 3rd and 4th or

4th and 5th races ever, so we're

pretty happy right now.





To top it all off, the team received the "Spirit

of Chump" award as the team

that "gets" what ChumpCar is all about, drives

well and courteously, and gets

more out of their car that anyone has a right

to expect...



Our next race is a 14 hour event at Charlotte Motor Speedway

(road course

configuration) April 23...if anyone out there is interested in

joining us or

forming a ChumpCar or LeMons team of their own, shoot me an

email and we'll be

happy to help!



Jamie Palmer

Squadron Leader

RiffRAF

Racing

'75 TR6 ChumpCar

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fot at autox.team.net



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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 14 10:46:00 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:46:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fred Thomas Decal
In-Reply-To: <8CDAF09EE71A041-E298-19964@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CDAF09EE71A041-E298-19964@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU160-w29860A5BF9C4F818843527BACC0@phx.gbl>

The subject of a decal honoring Fred Thomas was proposed last week.  After
some initial dialog we WILL be proceeding with this project.  The design and
details are in the initial stages but the intent is to have a 3 inch decal
offered to who ever wants one at a minimal cost to pay for the manufacturing
and mailing of the decals.  This will not be a for profit enterprise.  I am
NOT taking orders yet. Lots of details to be worked out before that point. I
will post updates on the project as we go forward so be patient with me:) .

Thanks,
Marty Sukey


From rodkent at cox.net  Mon Mar 14 11:11:19 2011
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:11:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT-6 & Spitfire Parts
Message-ID: <20110314131119.Q1BF7.47616.imail@fed1rmwml34>

Hello, due to the acquisition of another vintage racer I am going to have to abandon by GT-6 build that I had begun. A dear freind of mine passed away last year and when his son decided to sell his dad's Lotus 7, I had to buy it for sentimental reasons more than anything else. Plus we still campaign my TR-6 in selected events, plus my 33 highboy, project, plus the chopper, plus the Datsun 2000 project, you get the picture. Anyway I had started accumulating engine parts, wheels, etc. I need to sell off. Things I need to unload are:
2 Jerry Barker prepped cranks, nitrided, ground to use Honda rod bearings, x-drilled, etc.
1 Set Pauter rods for same
1 Set Arias pistons to be used with this combination
1 SA9 Crank, ground on new cam blank
4 New Pansports 6 x 13  4 3/8 backspacing (minimum scrub radius)
Fiberglass bonnet for gt-6 
Not a Vintage part, but I also have a Schwitter gearbox for any serious production car
This engine configuration is as described in Mr Kastner's latest book when describing Chuck's build.
Email me with any questions.
thanks, rod


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Mar 14 11:13:11 2011
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:13:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] GT-6 & Spitfire Parts
Message-ID: <39437.14f46903.3aafa6a7@aol.com>

Have you set any prices yet?
 
 
In a message dated 3/14/2011 10:11:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
rodkent at cox.net writes:

Hello,  due to the acquisition of another vintage racer I am going to have 
to abandon  by GT-6 build that I had begun. A dear freind of mine passed 
away last year  and when his son decided to sell his dad's Lotus 7, I had to 
buy it for  sentimental reasons more than anything else. Plus we still 
campaign my TR-6 in  selected events, plus my 33 highboy, project, plus the 
chopper, plus the  Datsun 2000 project, you get the picture. Anyway I had started 
accumulating  engine parts, wheels, etc. I need to sell off. Things I need to 
unload  are:
2 Jerry Barker prepped cranks, nitrided, ground to use Honda rod  bearings, 
x-drilled, etc.
1 Set Pauter rods for same
1 Set Arias pistons  to be used with this combination
1 SA9 Crank, ground on new cam blank
4  New Pansports 6 x 13  4 3/8 backspacing (minimum scrub  radius)
Fiberglass bonnet for gt-6 
Not a Vintage part, but I also have  a Schwitter gearbox for any serious 
production car
This engine  configuration is as described in Mr Kastner's latest book when 
describing  Chuck's build.
Email me with any questions.
thanks,  rod
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Mar 14 11:46:31 2011
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:46:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report
In-Reply-To: <944268.90054.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <944268.90054.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000801cbe26f$c1781230$44683690$@com>

Sounds like great fun!  And I like that "Spirit of Chump" award.  Congrats
on winning it and a good result.

Tim Murphy
1961 TR4 #317

And Happy St. Patrick's Day, 3/17/2011 to all!!

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jamie Palmer
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 9:19 AM
To: Friends of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report

I honestly wasn't trying to see how many alliterative "R's" I could get into
the 
title...it just worked out that way.

Anyway, for those of you
interested, we competed in two ChumpCar 7-hour 
endurance races at "The Rock"
(road course configuration) this weekend with our 
1975 TR6 "Lacey".  There's
only one class, so we were out there with everything 
from a '64 Chevy pickup
(!) to a BMW E36, Miatas, Mustangs, Fieros, Saabs, 
Nissan Z's and a really
quick Mercedes 300.

Saturday, we had some off-course excursions and some
imperfect fuel strategy, 
ended up in 12th place -- although we were pretty
happy because the car ran well 
all day and that's the best finish we've ever
had (27 cars competed this 
weekend).

Sunday was even better, with the team
driving more consistently and fueling 
going better.  We ran top-5 most of the
day, but a late race "splash and 
go" stop dropped us to 6th at the checker. 
Still was phenominal as far as we 
were concerned since we finished ahead of a
LOT of much faster cars due to 
consistency.  For all but one of our
drivers this was either our 3rd and 4th or 
4th and 5th races ever, so we're
pretty happy right now.  


To top it all off, the team received the "Spirit
of Chump" award as the team 
that "gets" what ChumpCar is all about, drives
well and courteously, and gets 
more out of their car that anyone has a right
to expect...

Our next race is a 14 hour event at Charlotte Motor Speedway
(road course 
configuration) April 23...if anyone out there is interested in
joining us or 
forming a ChumpCar or LeMons team of their own, shoot me an
email and we'll be 
happy to help!

Jamie Palmer
Squadron Leader
RiffRAF
Racing
'75 TR6 ChumpCar
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From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 14 14:57:14 2011
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:57:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report
In-Reply-To: <8CDB06CEFB34980-12C4-32B43@webmail-d081.sysops.aol.com>
References: <944268.90054.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<8CDB06CEFB34980-12C4-32B43@webmail-d081.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <670103.78832.qm@web114707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Got a lot of kind words today from the FOT list...thanks again for welcoming
us!

Jamie




________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com"
<n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: tr6driver at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, March
14, 2011 10:40:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report
This is VERY COOL and another facet of what we do.   

 Thanks for sharing
this.

ChumpCar and 24 Hours of LEMONS   has taken off.

We have two ChumpCar
events in our area, coming up and I would like to 
attend....time
permitting.   ha!

I think John Nikas participated in a TR7 and Bob Kramer is
involved with a TR6. 

JA






-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie Palmer
<tr6driver at yahoo.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon,
Mar 14, 2011 9:18 am
Subject: [Fot] RiffRAF Racing Rockingham Race Report


I
honestly wasn't trying to see how many alliterative "R's" I could get into
the 
  title...it just worked out that way.
  
  Anyway, for those of you
interested, we competed in two ChumpCar 7-hour 
  endurance races at "The
Rock"
  (road course configuration) this weekend with our 
  1975 TR6 "Lacey".
There's
  only one class, so we were out there with everything 
  from a '64
Chevy pickup
  (!) to a BMW E36, Miatas, Mustangs, Fieros, Saabs, 
  Nissan
Z's and a really
  quick Mercedes 300.
  
  Saturday, we had some off-course
excursions and some
  imperfect fuel strategy, 
  ended up in 12th place --
although we were pretty
  happy because the car ran well 
  all day and that's
the best finish we've ever
  had (27 cars competed this 
  weekend).
Sunday was even better, with the team
  driving more consistently and fueling
going better.  We ran top-5 most of the
  day, but a late race "splash and
go" stop dropped us to 6th at the checker. 
  Still was phenominal as far as
we 
  were concerned since we finished ahead of a
  LOT of much faster cars
due to 
  consistency.  For all but one of our
  drivers this was either our
3rd and 4th or 
  4th and 5th races ever, so we're
  pretty happy right now.
To top it all off, the team received the "Spirit
  of Chump" award as the team
that "gets" what ChumpCar is all about, drives
  well and courteously, and
gets 
  more out of their car that anyone has a right
  to expect...
  
  Our
next race is a 14 hour event at Charlotte Motor Speedway
  (road course
configuration) April 23...if anyone out there is interested in
  joining us or
forming a ChumpCar or LeMons team of their own, shoot me an
  email and we'll
be 
  happy to help!
  
  Jamie Palmer
  Squadron Leader
  RiffRAF
  Racing
'75 TR6 ChumpCar
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From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Mon Mar 14 21:08:08 2011
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:08:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues
Message-ID: <002001cbe2be$36263b90$a272b2b0$@rr.com>

First off let me thank the folks that provided good feedback to my question
regarding the car not wanting to rev.  I am in the diagnostic phase and this
is what I have found so far:

 

As a recap, I am running the Mallory dual point.  Fresh points, rotor,
condenser (grounded), and cap.

The total dwell at 1100 rpm it is 40 and at 3500+ rpm it is 45. I assume
that dwell should not change over the rpm range and this condition is
indicative that something is wrong. I removed the cap and rotor and I can
move the top of the shaft far enough back and forth (side to side) to cause
the points to open and close. This distributor has 6 race weekends on it. 

Could the shaft have already worn the bushings? I've read that Mallory will
not sell you replacement bushing or bearings as they want to rebuild the
unit.  Are there any alternative suggestions? 

Do you guys leave the felt rubbing block in place on the points?  I have
them in place now, but I don't remember seeing a Lucas point set that uses
felt pads like that.  Maybe they are a good thing.

Thanks in advance,

Greg


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Mar 14 21:32:58 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:32:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues
References: <002001cbe2be$36263b90$a272b2b0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <76A3E7296EC6404697292EAE981FA188@Bud>

If you mean that the shaft is wobbly...it should not be..RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:08 PM
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues


> First off let me thank the folks that provided good feedback to my 
> question
> regarding the car not wanting to rev.  I am in the diagnostic phase and 
> this
> is what I have found so far:
>
>
>
> As a recap, I am running the Mallory dual point.  Fresh points, rotor,
> condenser (grounded), and cap.
>
> The total dwell at 1100 rpm it is 40 and at 3500+ rpm it is 45. I assume
> that dwell should not change over the rpm range and this condition is
> indicative that something is wrong. I removed the cap and rotor and I can
> move the top of the shaft far enough back and forth (side to side) to 
> cause
> the points to open and close. This distributor has 6 race weekends on it.
>
> Could the shaft have already worn the bushings? I've read that Mallory 
> will
> not sell you replacement bushing or bearings as they want to rebuild the
> unit.  Are there any alternative suggestions?
>
> Do you guys leave the felt rubbing block in place on the points?  I have
> them in place now, but I don't remember seeing a Lucas point set that uses
> felt pads like that.  Maybe they are a good thing.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Greg
> _______________________________________________
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From jibjib at att.net  Mon Mar 14 21:44:00 2011
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:44:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues
In-Reply-To: <76A3E7296EC6404697292EAE981FA188@Bud>
References: <002001cbe2be$36263b90$a272b2b0$@rr.com>
	<76A3E7296EC6404697292EAE981FA188@Bud>
Message-ID: <83778BAAC1B0487585F2FAD72D0B0041@EntCent>

And yes, the felt pads, with a drop of oil on them, will keep the wear on
the point blocks (that rides on the cam) from wearing as fast.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of RACER BUD
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:33 PM
To: Greg & Alison Blake; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignition issues

If you mean that the shaft is wobbly...it should not be..RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:08 PM
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues


> First off let me thank the folks that provided good feedback to my 
> question
> regarding the car not wanting to rev.  I am in the diagnostic phase and 
> this
> is what I have found so far:
>
>
>
> As a recap, I am running the Mallory dual point.  Fresh points, rotor,
> condenser (grounded), and cap.
>
> The total dwell at 1100 rpm it is 40 and at 3500+ rpm it is 45. I assume
> that dwell should not change over the rpm range and this condition is
> indicative that something is wrong. I removed the cap and rotor and I can
> move the top of the shaft far enough back and forth (side to side) to 
> cause
> the points to open and close. This distributor has 6 race weekends on it.
>
> Could the shaft have already worn the bushings? I've read that Mallory 
> will
> not sell you replacement bushing or bearings as they want to rebuild the
> unit.  Are there any alternative suggestions?
>
> Do you guys leave the felt rubbing block in place on the points?  I have
> them in place now, but I don't remember seeing a Lucas point set that uses
> felt pads like that.  Maybe they are a good thing.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Greg
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>
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From VANDECARR at aol.com  Tue Mar 15 05:36:55 2011
From: VANDECARR at aol.com (VANDECARR at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:36:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
Message-ID: <6576a.756b57d1.3ab0a957@aol.com>

I've noticed most of the vintage racers use SUs instead of Strombergs.   On 
my TR 6 I had the webers but I'm now driving a Lola with a Lotus twin cam. 
It has the Stromberg head and the Weber heads are just not available or 
stupid expensive.   I adapted the Weber 45 MCHH carbs and they work OK but can't 
take the G forces and are constantly spilling gas.   After many 
modifications and 2 fires at the last event in Georgia I've decided to trash them.   I 
have a set of Strombergs and SUs   I can rebuild, which would be best?

Dean VanDeCarr
TR 6 autocross
More TR6 street cars than my wife allows
1970 Lola T200


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Mar 15 10:18:25 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:18:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
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Message-ID: <20110315161838.39BF2187656@autox.team.net>

On the 1.75" carbs, the strombergs have a shallower float bowl, and 
the floats aren't oriented optimally.  On the SU's, the float bowls 
are deeper and you can orient the float pivots toward the front and 
rear of the car.  The strombergs, when mounted on the right hand side 
of the engine will have issues in heavy cornering left hand turns - I 
think they went rich, but it's been a while.  Car would fall flat on 
its face for a second until the carbs recovered.  Very 
frustrating.  Based on that experience, I'd recommend the SU's.

- Tony Drews

At 06:36 AM 3/15/2011, VANDECARR at aol.com wrote:
>I've noticed most of the vintage racers use SUs instead of Strombergs.   On
>my TR 6 I had the webers but I'm now driving a Lola with a Lotus twin cam.
>It has the Stromberg head and the Weber heads are just not available or
>stupid expensive.   I adapted the Weber 45 MCHH carbs and they work 
>OK but can't
>take the G forces and are constantly spilling gas.   After many
>modifications and 2 fires at the last event in Georgia I've decided 
>to trash them.   I
>have a set of Strombergs and SUs   I can rebuild, which would be best?
>
>Dean VanDeCarr
>TR 6 autocross
>More TR6 street cars than my wife allows
>1970 Lola T200
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From rodkent at cox.net  Tue Mar 15 11:15:06 2011
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:15:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <20110315161838.39BF2187656@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39>

This will be a fun one to watch, I personally like the TR-4 type strongbergs the best. That's what I used on my SCCA national 6 for years before the webers were legal, never missed a beat. I think they are both good, but the friends I had running SU's seem to have to fiddle more. I think it's just personal preference. Good luck........rod
---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote: 
On the 1.75" carbs, the strombergs have a shallower float bowl, and 
the floats aren't oriented optimally.  On the SU's, the float bowls 
are deeper and you can orient the float pivots toward the front and 
rear of the car.  The strombergs, when mounted on the right hand side 
of the engine will have issues in heavy cornering left hand turns - I 
think they went rich, but it's been a while.  Car would fall flat on 
its face for a second until the carbs recovered.  Very 
frustrating.  Based on that experience, I'd recommend the SU's.

- Tony Drews

At 06:36 AM 3/15/2011, VANDECARR at aol.com wrote:
>I've noticed most of the vintage racers use SUs instead of Strombergs.   On
>my TR 6 I had the webers but I'm now driving a Lola with a Lotus twin cam.
>It has the Stromberg head and the Weber heads are just not available or
>stupid expensive.   I adapted the Weber 45 MCHH carbs and they work 
>OK but can't
>take the G forces and are constantly spilling gas.   After many
>modifications and 2 fires at the last event in Georgia I've decided 
>to trash them.   I
>have a set of Strombergs and SUs   I can rebuild, which would be best?
>
>Dean VanDeCarr
>TR 6 autocross
>More TR6 street cars than my wife allows
>1970 Lola T200
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Tue Mar 15 12:03:19 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:03:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
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The 1.75 SU's on my TR3A stutter coming out of the slow, tight right-hander
at Kershaw, but did not coming out of turn 7 at Road Atlanta.  Go figure?

John H. Hasty
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Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg


This will be a fun one to watch, I personally like the TR-4 type strongbergs
the best. That's what I used on my SCCA national 6 for years before the
webers were legal, never missed a beat. I think they are both good, but the
friends I had running SU's seem to have to fiddle more. I think it's just
personal preference. Good luck........rod
---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
On the 1.75" carbs, the strombergs have a shallower float bowl, and
the floats aren't oriented optimally.  On the SU's, the float bowls
are deeper and you can orient the float pivots toward the front and
rear of the car.  The strombergs, when mounted on the right hand side
of the engine will have issues in heavy cornering left hand turns - I
think they went rich, but it's been a while.  Car would fall flat on
its face for a second until the carbs recovered.  Very
frustrating.  Based on that experience, I'd recommend the SU's.

- Tony Drews

At 06:36 AM 3/15/2011, VANDECARR at aol.com wrote:
>I've noticed most of the vintage racers use SUs instead of Strombergs.   On
>my TR 6 I had the webers but I'm now driving a Lola with a Lotus twin
>cam. It has the Stromberg head and the Weber heads are just not available
or
>stupid expensive.   I adapted the Weber 45 MCHH carbs and they work
>OK but can't
>take the G forces and are constantly spilling gas.   After many
>modifications and 2 fires at the last event in Georgia I've decided
>to trash them.   I
>have a set of Strombergs and SUs   I can rebuild, which would be best?
>
>Dean VanDeCarr
>TR 6 autocross
>More TR6 street cars than my wife allows
>1970 Lola T200
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Mar 15 12:02:21 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:02:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39>
Message-ID: <8CDB15243CF01DF-C1C-244C@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com>

 nice to know i am not alone.....both cars have Strombergs....one for almost
20 years of vintage racing.

i think the TR4  strombergs got a bad name when parts and needles were hard to
come by.

then the strombergs got changed when they went on TR6s....these seem to be
awful








-----Original Message-----
From: rodkent at cox.net
To: VANDECARR at aol.com; Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 12:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg


This will be a fun one to watch, I personally like the TR-4 type strongbergs
the

best. That's what I used on my SCCA national 6 for years before the webers
were

legal, never missed a beat. I think they are both good, but the friends I had

running SU's seem to have to fiddle more. I think it's just personal
preference.

Good luck........rod

---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

On the 1.75" carbs, the strombergs have a shallower float bowl, and

the floats aren't oriented optimally.  On the SU's, the float bowls

are deeper and you can orient the float pivots toward the front and

rear of the car.  The strombergs, when mounted on the right hand side

of the engine will have issues in heavy cornering left hand turns - I

think they went rich, but it's been a while.  Car would fall flat on

its face for a second until the carbs recovered.  Very

frustrating.  Based on that experience, I'd recommend the SU's.



- Tony Drews



At 06:36 AM 3/15/2011, VANDECARR at aol.com wrote:

>I've noticed most of the vintage racers use SUs instead of Strombergs.   On

>my TR 6 I had the webers but I'm now driving a Lola with a Lotus twin cam.

>It has the Stromberg head and the Weber heads are just not available or

>stupid expensive.   I adapted the Weber 45 MCHH carbs and they work

>OK but can't

>take the G forces and are constantly spilling gas.   After many

>modifications and 2 fires at the last event in Georgia I've decided

>to trash them.   I

>have a set of Strombergs and SUs   I can rebuild, which would be best?

>

>Dean VanDeCarr

>TR 6 autocross

>More TR6 street cars than my wife allows

>1970 Lola T200

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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Mar 15 12:53:52 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:53:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
References: <8CDB15243CF01DF-C1C-244C@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4989570A6C174FE89A182977AC9044CA@Charly>

I was told the old ZS carbs with the large top had the best flow of all on 
the bench.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
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Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg


> nice to know i am not alone.....both cars have Strombergs....one for 
> almost
> 20 years of vintage racing.
>
> i think the TR4  strombergs got a bad name when parts and needles were 
> hard to
> come by.
>
> then the strombergs got changed when they went on TR6s....these seem to be
> awful
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rodkent at cox.net
> To: VANDECARR at aol.com; Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>; fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 12:15 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
>
>
> This will be a fun one to watch, I personally like the TR-4 type 
> strongbergs
> the
>
> best. That's what I used on my SCCA national 6 for years before the webers
> were
>
> legal, never missed a beat. I think they are both good, but the friends I 
> had
>
> running SU's seem to have to fiddle more. I think it's just personal
> preference.
>
> Good luck........rod
>
> ---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
>
> On the 1.75" carbs, the strombergs have a shallower float bowl, and
>
> the floats aren't oriented optimally.  On the SU's, the float bowls
>
> are deeper and you can orient the float pivots toward the front and
>
> rear of the car.  The strombergs, when mounted on the right hand side
>
> of the engine will have issues in heavy cornering left hand turns - I
>
> think they went rich, but it's been a while.  Car would fall flat on
>
> its face for a second until the carbs recovered.  Very
>
> frustrating.  Based on that experience, I'd recommend the SU's.
>
>
>
> - Tony Drews
>
>
>
> At 06:36 AM 3/15/2011, VANDECARR at aol.com wrote:
>
>>I've noticed most of the vintage racers use SUs instead of Strombergs. 
>>On
>
>>my TR 6 I had the webers but I'm now driving a Lola with a Lotus twin cam.
>
>>It has the Stromberg head and the Weber heads are just not available or
>
>>stupid expensive.   I adapted the Weber 45 MCHH carbs and they work
>
>>OK but can't
>
>>take the G forces and are constantly spilling gas.   After many
>
>>modifications and 2 fires at the last event in Georgia I've decided
>
>>to trash them.   I
>
>>have a set of Strombergs and SUs   I can rebuild, which would be best?
>
>>
>
>>Dean VanDeCarr
>
>>TR 6 autocross
>
>>More TR6 street cars than my wife allows
>
>>1970 Lola T200
>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Mar 15 13:06:17 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:06:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE:  SU vs Stromberg
Message-ID: <20110315190621.CDAE81879F0@autox.team.net>

Bounced, too long, re-sending with a big snip. - Tony

>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:54:17 -0500
>To: <jhhasty at gdhs.com>, <fot at autox.team.net>
>From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
>Subject: RE: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
>
>Make sure the float pivots in the top of the float bowl are 
>perpendicular to the centerline of the car - ie the float pivots to 
>the front or the back, not to the side.
>
>- Tony
>
>At 01:03 PM 3/15/2011, John Hasty wrote:
>>The 1.75 SU's on my TR3A stutter coming out of the slow, tight right-hander
>>at Kershaw, but did not coming out of turn 7 at Road Atlanta.  Go figure?
>>
>>John H. Hasty
>>Attorney At Law
>>Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
>>719 East Boulevard
>>Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
>>Tele: (704) 372-5600
>>Fax: (704) 372-4601
>>E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com
>>www.gdhs.com
<snip>


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue Mar 15 16:40:20 2011
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:40:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE:  SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <20110315190621.CDAE81879F0@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <2019993564.2350079.1300228820808.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I have triple Strombergs with a Good Parts intake manifold on my street TR6, great improvement at idle and more "snap" when accelerating. The car is not raced or autocrossed but more fun to drive on the street since the switch to three from stock two Strombergs. 

Gary 

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:06:17 PM 
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE: SU vs Stromberg 

Bounced, too long, re-sending with a big snip. - Tony 

>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:54:17 -0500 
>To: <jhhasty at gdhs.com>, <fot at autox.team.net> 
>From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> 
>Subject: RE: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg 
> 
>Make sure the float pivots in the top of the float bowl are 
>perpendicular to the centerline of the car - ie the float pivots to 
>the front or the back, not to the side. 
> 
>- Tony 
> 
>At 01:03 PM 3/15/2011, John Hasty wrote: 
>>The 1.75 SU's on my TR3A stutter coming out of the slow, tight right-hander 
>>at Kershaw, but did not coming out of turn 7 at Road Atlanta. Go figure? 
>> 
>>John H. Hasty 
>>Attorney At Law 
>>Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 
>>719 East Boulevard 
>>Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 
>>Tele: (704) 372-5600 
>>Fax: (704) 372-4601 
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Tue Mar 15 17:57:53 2011
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:57:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE:  SU vs Stromberg
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References: <20110315190621.CDAE81879F0@autox.team.net>
	<2019993564.2350079.1300228820808.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000001cbe36c$ccc421d0$664c6570$@rr.com>

I have seen the same manifold outfitted with three SU HS-6s on a VERY quick
TR-250 from the WPTA and all I can say is "it's impressive". I was so much
impressed I am building one for myself in the near future. 

Russ Moore

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To: Tony Drews
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: RE: SU vs Stromberg

I have triple Strombergs with a Good Parts intake manifold on my street TR6,
great improvement at idle and more "snap" when accelerating. The car is not
raced or autocrossed but more fun to drive on the street since the switch to
three from stock two Strombergs. 

Gary 

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To: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:06:17 PM 
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE: SU vs Stromberg 

Bounced, too long, re-sending with a big snip. - Tony 

>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:54:17 -0500 
>To: <jhhasty at gdhs.com>, <fot at autox.team.net> 
>From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> 
>Subject: RE: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg 
> 
>Make sure the float pivots in the top of the float bowl are 
>perpendicular to the centerline of the car - ie the float pivots to 
>the front or the back, not to the side. 
> 
>- Tony 
> 
>At 01:03 PM 3/15/2011, John Hasty wrote: 
>>The 1.75 SU's on my TR3A stutter coming out of the slow, tight
right-hander 
>>at Kershaw, but did not coming out of turn 7 at Road Atlanta. Go figure? 
>> 
>>John H. Hasty 
>>Attorney At Law 
>>Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 
>>719 East Boulevard 
>>Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 
>>Tele: (704) 372-5600 
>>Fax: (704) 372-4601 
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Tue Mar 15 20:37:21 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:37:21 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues
Message-ID: <20110315.223721.21615.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>

Sounds like with the shaft moving around side to side you need to take it all
apart to see what's going on - something is loose.

Some other things to watch for - I have had the centrifugal advance limit tab
break off and bounce around not doing good things, in addition to too much
advance.  Also, have had the advance weight pivot bushings wear through,
causing the weights to expand too far and rub on the inside of the distributor
housing.  Not only was it not running well, but all the metal dust inside did
not help much.  At that time I ditched the weights and installed electronic
advance.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:08:08 -0500

First off let me thank the folks that provided good feedback to my question
regarding the car not wanting to rev.  I am in the diagnostic phase and this
is what I have found so far:



As a recap, I am running the Mallory dual point.  Fresh points, rotor,
condenser (grounded), and cap.

The total dwell at 1100 rpm it is 40 and at 3500+ rpm it is 45. I assume
that dwell should not change over the rpm range and this condition is
indicative that something is wrong. I removed the cap and rotor and I can
move the top of the shaft far enough back and forth (side to side) to cause
the points to open and close. This distributor has 6 race weekends on it.

Could the shaft have already worn the bushings? I've read that Mallory will
not sell you replacement bushing or bearings as they want to rebuild the
unit.  Are there any alternative suggestions?

Do you guys leave the felt rubbing block in place on the points?  I have
them in place now, but I don't remember seeing a Lucas point set that uses
felt pads like that.  Maybe they are a good thing.

Thanks in advance,

Greg
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From ac at camoletti.ch  Wed Mar 16 02:09:24 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:09:24 +0100
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
References: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39>
	<801FFA8CA77140508983AEB1B9DEEEA0@gdhs.local> 
Message-ID: <001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch>

Hi John, you've got the HS6 and not the H6 if I remember well ? (on the 3A
stock  carbs are the SU H6) Maybe it makes a difference in fuel supply`?

You may try enlarging the needle seat hole, a  trick recommended by Kas, and
now SU provides as well needle floats of larger ID up to .110'' if I
remember correctly ; see www.sucarb.co.uk
Cheers! Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de John Hasty Envoyi : mardi 15 mars 2011 19:03 @ : rodkent at cox.net;
VANDECARR at aol.com; 'Tony Drews'; fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] SU vs
Stromberg

The 1.75 SU's on my TR3A stutter coming out of the slow, tight right-hander
at Kershaw, but did not coming out of turn 7 at Road Atlanta.  Go figure?

John H. Hasty


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Mar 16 08:26:06 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:26:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE:  SU vs Stromberg
References: <20110315190621.CDAE81879F0@autox.team.net><2019993564.2350079.1300228820808.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<000001cbe36c$ccc421d0$664c6570$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <5E784AA413534880B9733BEB4131BF40@Charly>

I have an interesting question to ask the group, why isn't anybody using the 
SU HIF carbs?  I've used them on several occasions and the seem to be 
superior to the h or hs.  They have less parts and are easy to adjust, less 
prone to leaks,  needles are easy. And if you get the HIF44 instead of the 
HIF6, it has bearings inside the piston dampner.  These also have a 
temperature compensator for the fuel mixture.  These were the last series of 
carbs manufactured by SU.  Just curious.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spitfire Racing" <spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com>
To: <vintage.racer at comcast.net>; "'Tony Drews'" <tony at tonydrews.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: RE: SU vs Stromberg


>I have seen the same manifold outfitted with three SU HS-6s on a VERY quick
> TR-250 from the WPTA and all I can say is "it's impressive". I was so much
> impressed I am building one for myself in the near future.
>
> Russ Moore
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of vintage.racer at comcast.net
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 6:40 PM
> To: Tony Drews
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: RE: SU vs Stromberg
>
> I have triple Strombergs with a Good Parts intake manifold on my street 
> TR6,
> great improvement at idle and more "snap" when accelerating. The car is 
> not
> raced or autocrossed but more fun to drive on the street since the switch 
> to
> three from stock two Strombergs.
>
> Gary
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:06:17 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE: SU vs Stromberg
>
> Bounced, too long, re-sending with a big snip. - Tony
>
>>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:54:17 -0500
>>To: <jhhasty at gdhs.com>, <fot at autox.team.net>
>>From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
>>Subject: RE: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
>>
>>Make sure the float pivots in the top of the float bowl are
>>perpendicular to the centerline of the car - ie the float pivots to
>>the front or the back, not to the side.
>>
>>- Tony
>>
>>At 01:03 PM 3/15/2011, John Hasty wrote:
>>>The 1.75 SU's on my TR3A stutter coming out of the slow, tight
> right-hander
>>>at Kershaw, but did not coming out of turn 7 at Road Atlanta. Go figure?
>>>
>>>John H. Hasty
>>>Attorney At Law
>>>Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
>>>719 East Boulevard
>>>Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
>>>Tele: (704) 372-5600
>>>Fax: (704) 372-4601
>>>E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com
>>>www.gdhs.com
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 16 10:10:26 2011
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:10:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Type A OD, either 22% or 28% (AH)
References: <000301cbdf55$666af190$3340d4b0$@com>
Message-ID: <CF562114E78F47CB8D2C5E987AAFCBEE@Edscomputer>

Tim,

Did you find the overdrive or parts thereof that you require? If not, I have 
most of that stuff lying around my workbench (somewhere), including a 28% 
sunwheel/planetary gearset.

Ed Woods 


From tlizzard at msn.com  Wed Mar 16 10:33:58 2011
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:33:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: RE:  SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <20110315190621.CDAE81879F0@autox.team.net><2019993564.2350079.1300228820808.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><000001cbe36c$ccc421d0$664c6570$@rr.com>
	<5E784AA413534880B9733BEB4131BF40@Charly>
References: <20110315190621.CDAE81879F0@autox.team.net><2019993564.2350079.1300228820808.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><000001cbe36c$ccc421d0$664c6570$@rr.com>
	<5E784AA413534880B9733BEB4131BF40@Charly>
Message-ID: <BAY157-ds187B844EAF8C8181757AC4C3CE0@phx.gbl>

The HIF have that diaphragm that is another area where a catastrophic failure
can occur.

Terry Stetler


From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 16 10:10:26 2011
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:10:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Type A OD, either 22% or 28% (AH)
References: <000301cbdf55$666af190$3340d4b0$@com>
Message-ID: <04D85B0D9CDE4096AF44090768A7AD4F@Edscomputer>

Tim,

Did you find the overdrive or parts thereof that you require? If not, I have 
most of that stuff lying around my workbench (somewhere), including a 28% 
sunwheel/planetary gearset.

Ed Woods 


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Mar 16 17:00:41 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:00:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch>
References: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39>
	<801FFA8CA77140508983AEB1B9DEEEA0@gdhs.local> 
	<001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch>
Message-ID: <074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>

> You may try enlarging the needle seat hole, a  trick recommended by
> Kas, and
> now SU provides as well needle floats of larger ID up to .110'' if I
> remember correctly ; see www.sucarb.co.uk
> Cheers! Alex

For those in the USA, you might check with Moss Motors.  Their rep mentioned
at TRfest that they had to use the larger float valve to get adequate fuel
flow for the TR4 blower setup.  That may mean they have the valves available
for sale separately as well.

-- Randall 


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 16 20:43:31 2011
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 02:43:31 +0000
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>
References: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39><801FFA8CA77140508983AEB1B9DEEEA0@gdhs.local>
	<001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch><074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.24.1638252561.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

I stumbled a lot in the turns with my HS6s. Re-oriented the float bowl tops and floats from side to side to front to back using MGB lids and it solved the problem. 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:00:41 
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

> You may try enlarging the needle seat hole, a  trick recommended by
> Kas, and
> now SU provides as well needle floats of larger ID up to .110'' if I
> remember correctly ; see www.sucarb.co.uk
> Cheers! Alex

For those in the USA, you might check with Moss Motors.  Their rep mentioned
at TRfest that they had to use the larger float valve to get adequate fuel
flow for the TR4 blower setup.  That may mean they have the valves available
for sale separately as well.

-- Randall 
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From ac at camoletti.ch  Thu Mar 17 07:41:48 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:41:48 +0100
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>
References: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39>
	<801FFA8CA77140508983AEB1B9DEEEA0@gdhs.local> 
	<001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch>
	<074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <002701cbe4a9$110f1c40$332d54c0$@camoletti.ch>

Yes, in fact checked on sucarb.co.uk and they have new needle seats with
.125'' bore (ref VZX1090), which is a substantial improvement over stock.
Also one may try to fit smaller floats (the ones of H2), meaning more fuel
in the chamber at all times, therefore able to face a surge with more
comfort.
Let me know your thoughts Amici!
Mr Kastner, at the time when you drilled the needle seats to what ID did you
go to?
Cheers!
Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Randall
Envoyi : jeudi 17 mars 2011 00:01
@ : fot at autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

> You may try enlarging the needle seat hole, a  trick recommended by
> Kas, and now SU provides as well needle floats of larger ID up to
> .110'' if I remember correctly ; see www.sucarb.co.uk Cheers! Alex

For those in the USA, you might check with Moss Motors.  Their rep mentioned
at TRfest that they had to use the larger float valve to get adequate fuel
flow for the TR4 blower setup.  That may mean they have the valves available
for sale separately as well.

-- Randall
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu Mar 17 08:07:31 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 07:07:31 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Morgan Trike
Message-ID: <F87D3229BC914EC09F67A77585893679@Charly>

I guess Morgan's making a trike again.  Maybe someone could translate the
video for us.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

http://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/morgan_events/morgan_events_2011/2011eventspage
s/geneva2011.html#


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Thu Mar 17 08:26:16 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:26:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <002701cbe4a9$110f1c40$332d54c0$@camoletti.ch>
References: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39>
	<801FFA8CA77140508983AEB1B9DEEEA0@gdhs.local>
	<001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch>
	<074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>
	<002701cbe4a9$110f1c40$332d54c0$@camoletti.ch>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A4080EFBDC2@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Bigger jets means new needle profiles. I suppose if you did the work you could
make sure that you could pump enough air through the engine in all the rpm
ranges to find a suitable needle. I just want to race. When you guys figure
that out let me know.

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Alexandre Camoletti
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 8:42 AM
To: 'Randall'; fot at autox.team.net; John Hasty
Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

Yes, in fact checked on sucarb.co.uk and they have new needle seats with
.125'' bore (ref VZX1090), which is a substantial improvement over stock.
Also one may try to fit smaller floats (the ones of H2), meaning more fuel
in the chamber at all times, therefore able to face a surge with more
comfort.
Let me know your thoughts Amici!
Mr Kastner, at the time when you drilled the needle seats to what ID did you
go to?
Cheers!
Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Randall
Envoyi : jeudi 17 mars 2011 00:01
@ : fot at autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

> You may try enlarging the needle seat hole, a  trick recommended by
> Kas, and now SU provides as well needle floats of larger ID up to
> .110'' if I remember correctly ; see www.sucarb.co.uk Cheers! Alex

For those in the USA, you might check with Moss Motors.  Their rep mentioned
at TRfest that they had to use the larger float valve to get adequate fuel
flow for the TR4 blower setup.  That may mean they have the valves available
for sale separately as well.

-- Randall
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From ac at camoletti.ch  Thu Mar 17 08:33:32 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:33:32 +0100
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A4080EFBDC2@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
References: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39>
	<801FFA8CA77140508983AEB1B9DEEEA0@gdhs.local> 
	<001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch>
	<074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>
	<002701cbe4a9$110f1c40$332d54c0$@camoletti.ch>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A4080EFBDC2@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <003c01cbe4b0$4b5b4200$e211c600$@camoletti.ch>

Hi Bob! Here talking about the needle and seats controlling fuel flow
entering the fuel chambers at the side of the carb, not the main jets and
needles.

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Kramer, Robert [mailto:RKramer at rdoequipment.com]
Envoyi : jeudi 17 mars 2011 15:26
@ : Alexandre Camoletti; 'Randall'; fot at autox.team.net; John Hasty
Objet : RE: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

Bigger jets means new needle profiles. I suppose if you did the work you
could make sure that you could pump enough air through the engine in all the
rpm ranges to find a suitable needle. I just want to race. When you guys
figure that out let me know.

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Alexandre Camoletti
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 8:42 AM
To: 'Randall'; fot at autox.team.net; John Hasty
Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

Yes, in fact checked on sucarb.co.uk and they have new needle seats with
.125'' bore (ref VZX1090), which is a substantial improvement over stock.
Also one may try to fit smaller floats (the ones of H2), meaning more fuel
in the chamber at all times, therefore able to face a surge with more
comfort.
Let me know your thoughts Amici!
Mr Kastner, at the time when you drilled the needle seats to what ID did you
go to?
Cheers!
Alex

-----Message d'origine-----
De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
part de Randall Envoyi : jeudi 17 mars 2011 00:01 @ : fot at autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

> You may try enlarging the needle seat hole, a  trick recommended by
> Kas, and now SU provides as well needle floats of larger ID up to
> .110'' if I remember correctly ; see www.sucarb.co.uk Cheers! Alex

For those in the USA, you might check with Moss Motors.  Their rep mentioned
at TRfest that they had to use the larger float valve to get adequate fuel
flow for the TR4 blower setup.  That may mean they have the valves available
for sale separately as well.

-- Randall
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Thu Mar 17 08:39:48 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:39:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
In-Reply-To: <092501cbe4b0$66dbd0d0$0301a8c0@randall>
References: <20110315131506.G2QKL.61595.imail@fed1rmwml39><801FFA8CA77140508983AEB1B9DEEEA0@gdhs.local>
	<001a01cbe3b1$77143280$653c9780$@camoletti.ch><074301cbe42d$f9cb42a0$ed61c7e0$@rr.com>
	<002701cbe4a9$110f1c40$332d54c0$@camoletti.ch>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A4080EFBDC2@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
	<092501cbe4b0$66dbd0d0$0301a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A4080EFBE1C@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Oops, I haven't kept up with the thread. I can't keep up with all the emails
that come across this list, but I should know better than to reply without
having done so.

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson





-----Original Message-----
From: Randall [mailto:TR3driver at ca.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 9:34 AM
To: Kramer, Robert
Subject: RE: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg

Er, no, we are talking about the float valve, not the mixture needle.

-- Randall

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kramer, Robert [mailto:RKramer at rdoequipment.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 7:26 AM
> To: Alexandre Camoletti; 'Randall'; fot at autox.team.net; John Hasty
> Subject: RE: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
>
> Bigger jets means new needle profiles. I suppose if you did
> the work you could make sure that you could pump enough air
> through the engine in all the rpm ranges to find a suitable
> needle. I just want to race. When you guys figure that out
> let me know.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Texas Rental Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-687-7422 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
> Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term
> goals are the keys to your success.
> ~Mac Anderson
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alexandre Camoletti
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 8:42 AM
> To: 'Randall'; fot at autox.team.net; John Hasty
> Subject: Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
>
> Yes, in fact checked on sucarb.co.uk and they have new needle
> seats with
> .125'' bore (ref VZX1090), which is a substantial improvement
> over stock.
> Also one may try to fit smaller floats (the ones of H2),
> meaning more fuel
> in the chamber at all times, therefore able to face a surge with more
> comfort.
> Let me know your thoughts Amici!
> Mr Kastner, at the time when you drilled the needle seats to
> what ID did you
> go to?
> Cheers!
> Alex
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la
> part de Randall
> Envoyi : jeudi 17 mars 2011 00:01
> @ : fot at autox.team.net
> Objet : Re: [Fot] SU vs Stromberg
>
> > You may try enlarging the needle seat hole, a  trick recommended by
> > Kas, and now SU provides as well needle floats of larger ID up to
> > .110'' if I remember correctly ; see www.sucarb.co.uk Cheers! Alex
>
> For those in the USA, you might check with Moss Motors.
> Their rep mentioned
> at TRfest that they had to use the larger float valve to get
> adequate fuel
> flow for the TR4 blower setup.  That may mean they have the
> valves available
> for sale separately as well.
>
> -- Randall
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From 58tr3a at videotron.ca  Thu Mar 17 08:59:04 2011
From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:59:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Morgan Trike
References: <F87D3229BC914EC09F67A77585893679@Charly>
Message-ID: <AFE542A976DB4934811F79BADCC093C4@elliott7455dae>

The first video shows a man sitting in the driver's seat of a Morgan and he 
is telling about an architect friend who always dreamed of having one and 
when he saw one parked on a street in Paris, he left his business card and 
eventually bought it.  He was most pleased with the car.

The second bit of video shows an intervewer asking about the price of the 
TRIKE.  The tall Brit replies 43,000.00 Euros.  Oh ! says the interviewer, 
that's not cheap !!!

----------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charly Mitchel" <charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>; "Steve Hare" <haretoday at comcast.net>; "Jeff Quick" 
<quicktr4 at comcast.net>; "Mark York" <m-syork at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 10:07 AM
Subject: [Fot] Morgan Trike


>I guess Morgan's making a trike again.  Maybe someone could translate the
> video for us.
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44
>
> http://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/morgan_events/morgan_events_2011/2011eventspage
> s/geneva2011.html#
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Thu Mar 17 10:26:40 2011
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:26:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Morgan Trike
In-Reply-To: <F87D3229BC914EC09F67A77585893679@Charly>
	<AFE542A976DB4934811F79BADCC093C4@elliott7455dae>
References: <F87D3229BC914EC09F67A77585893679@Charly>
	<AFE542A976DB4934811F79BADCC093C4@elliott7455dae>
Message-ID: <BAY157-ds98F0B6F18D4428C6B9BB7C3B10@phx.gbl>

While being very very cool, it is far too expensive.  Still if I had the extra
cash there would be one in my garage.

Also it is powered by an S&S clone of a Harley Davidson engine.   I do find
this to be an appropriate choice as the original Moggy Trikes used off the
shelf V-Twin motorcycle engines.

Terry Stetler


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Mar 17 12:40:12 2011
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:40:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Have acquired overdrive
Message-ID: <000001cbe4d2$c1236ae0$436a40a0$@com>

Thanks to all those who responded to my request for an "A" Type overdrive
with offers of parts, overdrive units and advice.  I tried to reply to
everyone who responded but may have missed some, there were a lot of
e-mails.  My apologies if I didn't get back to you.  The FOT and its members
are amazing!    Thanks to Mark J. Bradikis for making this possible.

I decided to "upgrade" to a TR4 transmission from our TR3 box and purchased
a "new" transmission and overdrive from John Esposito at Quatumechanics.
The transmission will have the larger layshaft bearings and the steel
bushings.  John was very helpful with advice and good to work with.  It got
to be that the cost of the repair parts for my old overdrive would have been
more than 50% of the cost of the "new" transmission and overdrive from John,
easy decision once I got to that point.  We had an old TR4 non-overdrive
tranny from a rolling chassis we picked up that we can use for the exchange
with John.  About the only really good parts from the old OD are the rear
housing, planet gears, accumulator and actuator pistons and some hardware.
The main shaft would have to be replaced also.  At least now I have a
"dummy" main shaft for reassembling overdrives, that's about all the old one
is good for; lining up the splines.

After advice from a number of people, including Kas, I decided to stay with
the 22% OD with our 4.3 diff.  It gives a good combination of a lot of punch
in 2nd and 3rd direct drive with a good overall ratio, 3.52, in 4th
overdrive, better than the 3.7 in the standard non-overdrive setup.  And I
learned that there is a bit more to using the 28% in the TR than a simple
change of some gears.

I did learn a lot more about the OD.  I had a nice phone conversation with
Jay Holekamp and Steve Yott drove up from southern Wisconsin in his
beautiful '67 TR4A to deliver one of his modified oil pumps, which will also
be a good upgrade to the engine, and gave me some more good information on
the OD.  Jay put me on to the write up by Nelson Rydel on the Buckeye
Triumphs website which is really good for explaining the overdrive, its
operation, disassembly, reassembly and troubleshooting.  I would recommend
it to anyone who wants to work on the overdrive.  A great piece of technical
writing.  Thanks to Irv Korey for putting me in touch with these two, both
great guys.  The VTR write up by Larry Young and Sam Clark of Green County
Triumphs is also good and recommended.

It's been fun taking the OD apart and learning more about it.  I think it
will now be part of the regular checkups on the engine and transmission to
disassemble the OD and check things over before I have another catastrophic
failure.  I don't know if I could have prevented the last one but maybe I
could have limited the damage had I checked it earlier.  The only thing I
didn't get removed was the pump body.  I made the puller but it didn't want
to start to move very easily.  I stopped before I busted something.  I've
learned since that they pump body comes out really hard.  It would seem
unless there is a problem with building up enough pressure that it might be
best just to leave well enough alone.

                Again, thanks to everyone.  We should get the new unit in
plenty of time to make the first race.  And, it should be one less thing to
worry about on the track.  I tend to drive like a mechanic anyway, thinking
too much about the car.  Really can't help it, it's the engineer in meJ
Just takes me awhile to stop thinking about the car and just drive!!!

 

Tim


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 17 19:06:36 2011
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:06:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VARA's British Extravaganza "Special" for FOT attending the
 Kastner Cup race
Message-ID: <5E9FCF26-CD6F-4C94-8CC8-7C9E8B996318@earthlink.net>

FOT,

I've got the official word from VARA about the British Extravaganza,  
Buttonwillow Raceway, CA, June 4-5

Here are the details:

Entry Form: a special entry form for FOT will be posted to the VARA  
website.
Waived Fees: Non-Member entry fees and late fees will be waived when  
mentioning FOT upon sign-up
Gate fee:  $10 per person

The BE is a 2 day event, but people may arrive Friday to set up.

SAT & SUN  $275  (Includes 2 BBQ tix)

Saturday includes 1 Practice session and 1 Qualifying Race.
FOT entrants are welcome to do tours on Sat with the Ground-School  
folks.
FOT is also welcome to the FRI-night Ground School "Class"  The track  
map is covered in the 1st half-hour and they are welcome to leave  
after that.


SUNDAY ONLY  $175 (includes 1 BBQ ticket if arriving Sat)

Sunday includes 3 sessions plus a track-tour

Early Track tour
Morning Practice
Triumph Challenge Race
Flag Race
GRID POSITION: Since Sat. is for qualifying, Sun FOT racers will start  
at the back of the pack for the Triumph Challenge and Flag Race

TECH: Just like the Kaster event in Monterey, we will have our own  
tech inspector, cars must have a log-book and will be tech'ed based on  
their current organization.


SPECIAL PHOTO
Right after the Triumph Challenge Race, all Triumph Racers,  Including  
those who have their car in tow and will NOT be racing, may gather for  
a group photo, (That I think we can purchase.)


A few Buttonwillow Links:

http://buttonwillowraceway.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K61ETcvrowY&feature=related


Feel free to email me with any questions or concerns about the event.

~Steve Belfer


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Mar 18 14:41:57 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:41:57 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Spa
In-Reply-To: <5E9FCF26-CD6F-4C94-8CC8-7C9E8B996318@earthlink.net>
References: <5E9FCF26-CD6F-4C94-8CC8-7C9E8B996318@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <007601cbe5ac$eda26690$c8e733b0$@com>

I realized that I never had done a youtube version of Spa.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJPVLPWQfYY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG5rhZn3Mzo

Have fun!


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 18 20:07:42 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:07:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
Message-ID: <BLU160-w55E73BA88436D8FBDE2735BAB30@phx.gbl>

FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded  oil  marketed as for flat
tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt. They
list both conventional and semi-synthetic.

Marty


From tlizzard at msn.com  Fri Mar 18 22:37:25 2011
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 00:37:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-w55E73BA88436D8FBDE2735BAB30@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-w55E73BA88436D8FBDE2735BAB30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY157-ds12A651D9AF0F86AF8A528EC3B30@phx.gbl>

I wonder who is packaging it for them?

And what other brand name it is sold under?

One of the little secrets of the refining industry is that there are lots of
different brands of oil, but not really many manufacturers.
I've been trying to find a list of who really makes what, and what brands are
all the same, but it's very closely kept info.


Terry Stetler
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: marty sukey<mailto:trmarty at hotmail.com>
  To: FOT<mailto:fot at autox.team.net> ; Triumph
List<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:07 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil


  FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded  oil  marketed as for
flat
  tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt.
They
  list both conventional and semi-synthetic.

  Marty
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Mar 19 03:37:22 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 10:37:22 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <BAY157-ds12A651D9AF0F86AF8A528EC3B30@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-w55E73BA88436D8FBDE2735BAB30@phx.gbl>
	<BAY157-ds12A651D9AF0F86AF8A528EC3B30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000601cbe619$41e86030$c5b92090$@com>

Hi,

this is maybe more a call for the European TR drivers:

The German rules for vintage cars got more strict and a friend of mine has
trouble to get the permission to run his Cosmic wheels.
http://trtom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tr6-cosmic-wheels-heiner-01.jpg?w=4
50&h=248

He needs historic documents that these wheels were sold for or with Triumph
cars in that time.
Best would be a catalogue, historic photos, any kind of datasheet.

Anybody able to help?

Cheers
Chris


From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Sat Mar 19 04:07:50 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:07:50 +1000
Subject: [Fot] GT6 vented brake kit for sale
Message-ID: <AANLkTin+ApODBnsQRd_EDt1-WR-ds25T7mofdWHGPqJW@mail.gmail.com>

i have a road/race brake kit, bolted up but never used.  just fits under 13"
alloy wheels
front: willwood alloy calipers, custom alloy mounts, vented rotors.
rear, alloy PBR calipers with in-built handbrake mechanism (rebuilt), custom
mounts for Mk2 uprights, solid rotors. these are drilled for 4 x 4.5PCD (TR6
pattern, but could be redrileld to 4 x 3 3/4 (GT6). i have 3sets of these
calipers incl TR6 mounts

email me directly if anyone is interested in buying them

thanks

Terry o'Beirne
Australia


From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Sat Mar 19 04:39:23 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:39:23 +1000
Subject: [Fot] 1 piece valves advice
Message-ID: <AANLkTikyBm4n9XY_P0KuVNU9O5d9gHkG3E9rpYVPv+hU@mail.gmail.com>

can anyone point me to a reputable supplier of 1-piece TR6/GT6 valves suit
race use . years ago i got a few sets from Moss USA, made in Argentina,
fabulous quality, but alas, no longer supplied.
would prefer leads from people who are actually using the valves in race
applications.

many thanks, terry o'beirne
 AUSTRALIA


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Mar 19 07:07:20 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:07:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <000601cbe619$41e86030$c5b92090$@com>
Message-ID: <224540.10297.qm@smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I am sure that Road and Track had advertisments for these wheels. What year
documentation does he need?

Paul 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: March 19, 2011 5:37 AM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels

Hi,

this is maybe more a call for the European TR drivers:

The German rules for vintage cars got more strict and a friend of mine has
trouble to get the permission to run his Cosmic wheels.
http://trtom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tr6-cosmic-wheels-heiner-01.jpg?w=4
50&h=248

He needs historic documents that these wheels were sold for or with Triumph
cars in that time.
Best would be a catalogue, historic photos, any kind of datasheet.

Anybody able to help?

Cheers
Chris
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Mar 19 07:15:32 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:15:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] looking for tr3/tr4 header
Message-ID: <8CDB44EDC559857-2C48-4D3A@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com>

 preferably stainless steel

used/new

thanks




=


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Mar 19 07:51:11 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:51:11 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <224540.10297.qm@smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <000601cbe619$41e86030$c5b92090$@com>
	<224540.10297.qm@smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000801cbe63c$b5dee0e0$219ca2a0$@com>

Thank you for reply,
He is looking for a TR4 so I think the years from 1961 - 1970 should be fine
for documentation.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: macdonaldp [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Mdrz 2011 14:07
An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Cosmic wheels

I am sure that Road and Track had advertisments for these wheels. What year
documentation does he need?

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: March 19, 2011 5:37 AM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels

Hi,

this is maybe more a call for the European TR drivers:

The German rules for vintage cars got more strict and a friend of mine has
trouble to get the permission to run his Cosmic wheels.
http://trtom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tr6-cosmic-wheels-heiner-01.jpg?w=4
50&h=248

He needs historic documents that these wheels were sold for or with Triumph
cars in that time.
Best would be a catalogue, historic photos, any kind of datasheet.

Anybody able to help?

Cheers
Chris
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 19 13:38:00 2011
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:38:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <000601cbe619$41e86030$c5b92090$@com>
References: <BLU160-w55E73BA88436D8FBDE2735BAB30@phx.gbl>
	<BAY157-ds12A651D9AF0F86AF8A528EC3B30@phx.gbl>
	<000601cbe619$41e86030$c5b92090$@com>
Message-ID: <920855.29185.qm@web46105.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Chris;
It may not be much help but I run Cosmic wheels.  I have not seen
anyone else 
with them.  My Father in Law bought the car and had it restored
many years ago.  
It came with the wheels as it was run in the 60's and 70's.
Good luck.
Mike Mehl #46 TR4




________________________________
From:
MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 2:37:22 AM
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels

Hi,

this
is maybe more a call for the European TR drivers:

The German rules for
vintage cars got more strict and a friend of mine has
trouble to get the
permission to run his Cosmic wheels.
http://trtom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tr6-cosmic-wheels-heiner-01.jpg?w=4
50&h=248

He needs historic documents that these wheels were sold for or with
Triumph
cars in that time.
Best would be a catalogue, historic photos, any
kind of datasheet.

Anybody able to help?

Cheers
Chris
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Sat Mar 19 19:55:51 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 01:55:51 GMT
Subject: [Fot] 1 piece valves advice
Message-ID: <20110319.215551.3230.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com>

If you can't find any readily available, you can have a company like Manley
Performance custom make them for you.  I had some made for my TR3 once, some
years ago.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Enquiries Road & Track" <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] 1 piece valves advice
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:39:23 +1000

can anyone point me to a reputable supplier of 1-piece TR6/GT6 valves suit
race use . years ago i got a few sets from Moss USA, made in Argentina,
fabulous quality, but alas, no longer supplied.
would prefer leads from people who are actually using the valves in race
applications.

many thanks, terry o'beirne
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Sun Mar 20 06:35:49 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 08:35:49 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Introduction to the List
Message-ID: <25c7a.41cf19a6.3ab74ea5@aol.com>

Hello
My name is Sam Clark and my wife, Carol, and I instigated the formation of  
Green Country Triumphs in 1993.  We bought our TR3 back in 1989 and it was  
an experience.  It was in a friend's garage and Carol fell in love with  
it.  It didn't run but with a little gas in the carbs it would start.   The 
brakes were toast due to DOT3 fluid so we took to a local shop to have them  
rebuilt.  I had no experience with British cars to that point, having owned  
Mustangs before but the learning curve was steep after having to pay someone 
to  work on the car.  I soon bought a manual and stared doing the work my  
self.  In 1995 We bought a 1972 TR6 from California and restored it.   2 
years ago we bought a '72 GT6 and have been working on it.  Even though  we 
don't race (not enough funds) our Club supports our members by doing the work  
on their cars free of charge (if they buy the parts and consumables).  I  
have helped Larry Young on his race car and have tried to support him with 
some  of the work.  We rebuild transmissions and overdrive units for the club 
and  are published on the TVR site for our work.
Thanks to Larry Young for the nomination and Andy Mace for the  second. 
I'm sure that Carol and I have met a lot of y'all and look forward to  
seeing all y'all soon.
Sam and Carol Clark
Green Country Triumphs (Tulsa, OK)


From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 16 10:10:26 2011
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:10:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Type A OD, either 22% or 28% (AH)
References: <000301cbdf55$666af190$3340d4b0$@com>
Message-ID: <B744ED81D2C44615866509315FD6DC6C@Edscomputer>

Tim,

Did you find the overdrive or parts thereof that you require? If not, I have 
most of that stuff lying around my workbench (somewhere), including a 28% 
sunwheel/planetary gearset.

Ed Woods 


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Mar 20 10:35:23 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:35:23 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Off list :  Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <15C89AF84D474FF6BF750C8B624659C3@FreddPC>
References: <15C89AF84D474FF6BF750C8B624659C3@FreddPC>
Message-ID: <000d01cbe71c$d1aae6d0$7500b470$@com>

Information about Cosmic wheels are really rare.
I found nothing usable.
Thank you for the idea with the Belgian Register - maybe they have
something.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Fredd [mailto:fal at knology.net]
Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Mdrz 2011 21:50
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Off list : [Fot] Cosmic wheels

Chris,

In the 60s and 70s you could buy those Cosmic in many accessorie shops in
Belgium.
I had those on a used TR6 I bought in 1971 in Belgium.
Maybe you can contact the TR Register Belgium with your question.

I live in the USA since 1990 and have never seen these wheels in the US.

Best,
Fredd


> ________________________________
> From:
> MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 2:37:22 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
>
> Hi,
>
> this
> is maybe more a call for the European TR drivers:
>
> The German rules for
> vintage cars got more strict and a friend of mine has
> trouble to get the
> permission to run his Cosmic wheels.
>
http://trtom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tr6-cosmic-wheels-heiner-01.jpg?w=4
> 50&h=248
>
> He needs historic documents that these wheels were sold for or with
> Triumph
> cars in that time.
> Best would be a catalogue, historic photos, any
> kind of datasheet.
>
> Anybody able to help?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> http://www.fot-racing.com


From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 16 10:10:26 2011
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:10:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Type A OD, either 22% or 28% (AH)
References: <000301cbdf55$666af190$3340d4b0$@com>
Message-ID: <D81D3B3E6B2A4B529246373D4B36982D@Edscomputer>

Tim,

Did you find the overdrive or parts thereof that you require? If not, I have 
most of that stuff lying around my workbench (somewhere), including a 28% 
sunwheel/planetary gearset.

Ed Woods 


From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 16 10:10:26 2011
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:10:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Type A OD, either 22% or 28% (AH)
References: <000301cbdf55$666af190$3340d4b0$@com>
Message-ID: <C041035D4F8E4D05B610C77E110909AD@Edscomputer>

Tim,

Did you find the overdrive or parts thereof that you require? If not, I have 
most of that stuff lying around my workbench (somewhere), including a 28% 
sunwheel/planetary gearset.

Ed Woods 


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Sun Mar 20 12:16:21 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:16:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Off list :  Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <000d01cbe71c$d1aae6d0$7500b470$@com>
Message-ID: <794185.52981.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Chris:
Found it - http://www.cosmic-wheels.com/

--- On Sun, 3/20/11, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:


From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Off list : Cosmic wheels
To: "'Friends of Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 11:35 AM


Information about Cosmic wheels are really rare.
I found nothing usable.
Thank you for the idea with the Belgian Register - maybe they have
something.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Fredd [mailto:fal at knology.net]
Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Mdrz 2011 21:50
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Off list : [Fot] Cosmic wheels

Chris,

In the 60s and 70s you could buy those Cosmic in many accessorie shops in
Belgium.
I had those on a used TR6 I bought in 1971 in Belgium.
Maybe you can contact the TR Register Belgium with your question.

I live in the USA since 1990 and have never seen these wheels in the US.

Best,
Fredd


> ________________________________
> From:
> MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 2:37:22 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
>
> Hi,
>
> this
> is maybe more a call for the European TR drivers:
>
> The German rules for
> vintage cars got more strict and a friend of mine has
> trouble to get the
> permission to run his Cosmic wheels.
>
http://trtom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tr6-cosmic-wheels-heiner-01.jpg?w=4
> 50&h=248
>
> He needs historic documents that these wheels were sold for or with
> Triumph
> cars in that time.
> Best would be a catalogue, historic photos, any
> kind of datasheet.
>
> Anybody able to help?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.fot-racing.com
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sun Mar 20 12:46:22 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:46:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Off list :  Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <000d01cbe71c$d1aae6d0$7500b470$@com>
Message-ID: <995249.86442.qm@smtp107.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Here is a scan of an accessory magasine from October 1971.

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/Cosmic.jpg

I will attach a higher resolution scan to Chris (which will be stripped from
the list email.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: March 20, 2011 12:35 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Off list : Cosmic wheels

Information about Cosmic wheels are really rare.
I found nothing usable.
Thank you for the idea with the Belgian Register - maybe they have
something.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Fredd [mailto:fal at knology.net]
Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Mdrz 2011 21:50
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Off list : [Fot] Cosmic wheels

Chris,

In the 60s and 70s you could buy those Cosmic in many accessorie shops in
Belgium.
I had those on a used TR6 I bought in 1971 in Belgium.
Maybe you can contact the TR Register Belgium with your question.

I live in the USA since 1990 and have never seen these wheels in the US.

Best,
Fredd


> ________________________________
> From:
> MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 2:37:22 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
>
> Hi,
>
> this
> is maybe more a call for the European TR drivers:
>
> The German rules for
> vintage cars got more strict and a friend of mine has trouble to get 
> the permission to run his Cosmic wheels.
>
http://trtom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tr6-cosmic-wheels-heiner-01.jpg?w=4
> 50&h=248
>
> He needs historic documents that these wheels were sold for or with 
> Triumph cars in that time.
> Best would be a catalogue, historic photos, any kind of datasheet.
>
> Anybody able to help?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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> http://www.fot-racing.com
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[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Cosmic.JPG]


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sun Mar 20 12:55:42 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:55:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Off list :  Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <794185.52981.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <207766.47660.qm@smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 A contact from the forum at the link below.

http://www.cosmic-wheels.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?726

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD
Sent: March 20, 2011 2:16 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'; MadMarx
Subject: Re: [Fot] Off list : Cosmic wheels

Chris:
Found it - http://www.cosmic-wheels.com/

--- On Sun, 3/20/11, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:


From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Off list : Cosmic wheels
To: "'Friends of Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 11:35 AM


Information about Cosmic wheels are really rare.
I found nothing usable.
Thank you for the idea with the Belgian Register - maybe they have
something.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Fredd [mailto:fal at knology.net]
Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Mdrz 2011 21:50
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Off list : [Fot] Cosmic wheels

Chris,

In the 60s and 70s you could buy those Cosmic in many accessorie shops in
Belgium.
I had those on a used TR6 I bought in 1971 in Belgium.
Maybe you can contact the TR Register Belgium with your question.

I live in the USA since 1990 and have never seen these wheels in the US.

Best,
Fredd


From REK46 at aol.com  Sun Mar 20 15:25:37 2011
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:25:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Looking for header
Message-ID: <4bcad.28653d11.3ab7cad1@aol.com>

Seriously looking for a Stahl competition exh header for Spit  
1296/MkIII...1 3/8"tubing...4 into one type as orig produced in the  70s/80s...for SCCA 
Spitfires F/P....Contact me off-list at _rek46 at aol.com_ 
(mailto:rek46 at aol.com) .. to replace for this season due  to damage from last year......rick 
kristoff
 
 
In a message dated 3/20/2011 12:33:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
fogbro1 at comcast.net writes:

Tim,

Did you find the overdrive or parts thereof that you  require? If not, I 
have 
most of that stuff lying around my workbench  (somewhere), including a 28% 
sunwheel/planetary gearset.

Ed Woods  
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From REK46 at aol.com  Sun Mar 20 15:28:20 2011
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:28:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <4be33.597974a.3ab7cb74@aol.com>

Is this the way to post an orig thread start?


From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Sun Mar 20 16:28:28 2011
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 22:28:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Southwick hubs
Message-ID: <2048885697.1574828.1300660108521.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

HelloB B  Does the installation of these front hubs increase the front trac
?B B B  thanksB B  rob


From REK46 at aol.com  Mon Mar 21 07:11:42 2011
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:11:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Sahl header wanted
Message-ID: <209fe.7e75a69f.3ab8a88e@aol.com>

Looking for a Stahl competition header for Spit Mk III 1296....1 3/8"  
tubes, 4 into one...made by Stahl in the 70's/80's for SCCA Spits F/P...good  
condition,no kinks. Contact me off-line  _rek46 at aol.com_ 
(mailto:rek46 at aol.com)   . Need to replace my damaged  one ,for this season....Rick 


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Mar 21 09:09:03 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:09:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Summit Point
Message-ID: <33E37B0FFDEA439B920DFA8E4632276C@gdhs.local>

The last time I raced at Summit Point was in the 70's on a 350cc Yamaha and
now that I plan to run the VDCA/VRG event in May with my TR3A, memory does
not serve me well as to how to get there and where to stay. All I can
remember is that we exited I 81 one exit north of the Holiday Inn in
Whichester, VA; took the left hand of the fork in the road and somehow wound
up at the track and camped out at the track.  Hope someone out there can
advise......thanks to all

John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
719 East Boulevard
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Mon Mar 21 10:05:45 2011
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:05:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Summit Point
In-Reply-To: <33E37B0FFDEA439B920DFA8E4632276C@gdhs.local>
References: <33E37B0FFDEA439B920DFA8E4632276C@gdhs.local>
Message-ID: <4826b02f2f044f92c8b838793f8fbc29.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

Hi John,

There's lots of good info including maps and
places to stay on their website:

http://www.summitpoint-raceway.com/

If you need more info, send me an e-mail,
I can probably help.  I sort of consider
Summit my home track.  I usually camped
at the track, though.

John

On Mon, March 21, 2011 11:09 am, John Hasty wrote:
> The last time I raced at Summit Point was in the 70's on a 350cc Yamaha
> and
> now that I plan to run the VDCA/VRG event in May with my TR3A, memory does
> not serve me well as to how to get there and where to stay. All I can
> remember is that we exited I 81 one exit north of the Holiday Inn in
> Whichester, VA; took the left hand of the fork in the road and somehow
> wound
> up at the track and camped out at the track.  Hope someone out there can
> advise......thanks to all
>
> John H. Hasty
> Attorney At Law
> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
> 719 East Boulevard
> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Mar 21 15:30:03 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:30:03 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Cosmic wheels
In-Reply-To: <207766.47660.qm@smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <794185.52981.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<207766.47660.qm@smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001001cbe80f$26831770$73894650$@com>

Well, thank you all for the information I've got.
I forwarded all to my friend and hope for best that he gets permission to
run these wheels.

Cheers
Chris


From rodkent at cox.net  Tue Mar 22 15:03:39 2011
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:03:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] panasport wheels
Message-ID: <20110322170339.0II0I.153967.imail@fed1rmwml41>

I appreciate the responses I recieved for the gt-6 bits I was selling. About the only thing I have left are the panasports and glass bonnet. The wheels are 6 x 13, with 4 3/8 backspacing. NIB, 550.00 set + shipping. thanks.......rod


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 22 18:13:37 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:13:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6/ TR4A Carrera shocks
Message-ID: <BLU160-w6336C59F26AFE66480455FBAB70@phx.gbl>

In case there might be any interest, I have a nice set of Carrera front shocks
on ebay. P/N 3336

Marty


From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Wed Mar 23 14:11:50 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 06:11:50 +1000
Subject: [Fot] chasing smiths tacho
Message-ID: <AANLkTimsXAtr6eQn=8q6ZcuoBXRBY4Hg9wK1=vguMBaE@mail.gmail.com>

i'm after a 4" smiths tacho, electronic, 0-8000 or greater to greater to fit
into our GT6 racer. anyone???
thanks, terry


From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Wed Mar 23 18:19:34 2011
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:19:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Unknown TR Part
Message-ID: <FEF147D7-EBF2-40C3-8BD9-4372B7869469@wi.rr.com>

FoT,

Does anyone know what the conical(half) shaped piece of metal is that  
is attached at the left (driver's side) mounting point for the  
steering rack? It sits about 1/2" in front of the lower left front  
corner of the engine block. Is it to prevent the engine from surging  
forward under extreme de-acceleration?

Allen


Allen & Jody Washatko
1971 TR6  - Number 6


From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 24 07:28:06 2011
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:28:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pain.head gaskets
Message-ID: <D129E022-1EB2-47AC-BEC5-D1989082D81C@gmail.com>

I just tried go order a payen head gasket for my TR4 and was informed that
payen has stopped producing them.  Anyone know of a suitable replacement for
the stock type head gasket?

Brad


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu Mar 24 08:01:04 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:01:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Unknown TR Part
References: <FEF147D7-EBF2-40C3-8BD9-4372B7869469@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <498F2EAFF072412289A8A3183207A49B@Charly>

Yes that is the purpose of it.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Allen Washatko" <awashatko at wi.rr.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 5:19 PM
Subject: [Fot] Unknown TR Part


> FoT,
>
> Does anyone know what the conical(half) shaped piece of metal is that
> is attached at the left (driver's side) mounting point for the
> steering rack? It sits about 1/2" in front of the lower left front
> corner of the engine block. Is it to prevent the engine from surging
> forward under extreme de-acceleration?
>
> Allen
>
>
> Allen & Jody Washatko
> 1971 TR6  - Number 6
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Mar 24 09:40:53 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:40:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 10   X   20   CANOPY FOR SALE
Message-ID: <8CDB850FE7ACEBC-1E78-E352@webmail-m130.sysops.aol.com>

 I have a little used canopy    10 x 20  with corner pieces and tie backs.

silver canopy with one small tear........ in very good condition.s

I will be at VIR in April.  And Button Willow & Laguna Seca in June

I have poles cut to length and may be able to transport if there is an
interest...in tube.

Thanks,  Joe


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu Mar 24 13:55:39 2011
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 14:55:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] canopy sale
Message-ID: <4D8BA1BB.4000602@bright.net>

We just returned from Sebring 12 hour. We purchased a new 10' x 20" 
canopy that we used as part of our booth.  Used for 5 days. White powder 
coated legs, white top and a pitched roof. The legs fit into each other 
so the disassembled package size is small. No need to figure out how to 
carry 10' poles. Anchors and tie downs never used (we tied onto the tent 
on either side of our booth). Roof has valences that come over the sides 
about 6" to keep out the "weather". Side walls fit up under these 
valences for a good seal. This is canopy and frame only. Side wall kits 
are readily available or make your own  from vinyl tarps.  This is a 
5-day-old-new unit - no tears and ready to go.  Thaks for your time. Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US&  Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Thu Mar 24 18:17:03 2011
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:17:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Unknown TR Part
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1103241007420.29336@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <6907A9C7-79EB-49FB-A28D-2A27287C3234@wi.rr.com>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Robert M. Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
> Date: March 24, 2011 9:15:39 AM CDT
> To: Allen Washatko <awashatko at wi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Unknown TR Part
>
> Hi,
>
> I've often pondered that piece. I can't recall for sure, but I'm  
> next to positive that it's there to keep the steering rack from  
> being able to move back in the case of a frontal collision. The  
> intent would be to limit damage to the driver - like being impaled  
> by the steering column.
>
> I don't know of that part was on the TR250, but I'm next to positive  
> it's on all TR6's.
>
> I do know that NHTSA or some similar goverenment safety entity  
> mandated some form of safety device to control the potential of  
> occupants getting impaled - US manufacturers mostly adopted  
> collapsable steering columns. Triumph had the challenge of the tight  
> space between the column and the engine on LHD cars. So a stop was  
> implimented.
>
> So, I think it's a stop to keep the steering rack and column from  
> intruding the passenger compartment in a frontal collision.
>
> I'll be interested to know what others reply on this topic.
>
> regards,
> rml
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bob Lang              Triumph TR6!!            |  This space for rent
> Former NER Solo Chair                          |
> Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Allen & Jody Washatko
1971 TR6  - Number 6


From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Thu Mar 24 18:17:13 2011
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:17:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Unknown TR Part
References: <498F2EAFF072412289A8A3183207A49B@Charly>
Message-ID: <C20F8DD2-74BC-4356-9CBD-63B029B1A24F@wi.rr.com>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Charly Mitchel" <charly at mitchelplumbing.com>
> Date: March 24, 2011 9:01:04 AM CDT
> To: "Allen Washatko" <awashatko at wi.rr.com>, "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net 
> >
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Unknown TR Part
>
> Yes that is the purpose of it.
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Washatko" <awashatko at wi.rr.com 
> >
> To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 5:19 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Unknown TR Part
>
>
>> FoT,
>>
>> Does anyone know what the conical(half) shaped piece of metal is that
>> is attached at the left (driver's side) mounting point for the
>> steering rack? It sits about 1/2" in front of the lower left front
>> corner of the engine block. Is it to prevent the engine from surging
>> forward under extreme de-acceleration?
>>
>> Allen
>>
>>
>> Allen & Jody Washatko
>> 1971 TR6  - Number 6
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com
>>
>

Jody & Allen Washatko
W51 N664 Highland Drive
Cedarburg, WI. 53012
USA

tel. (262) 617-6801


From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Thu Mar 24 18:17:27 2011
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:17:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Unknown TR Part
References: <746751.98648.qm@web87116.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48BEE3EB-016B-49B9-86F3-0E0412250299@wi.rr.com>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: JOSEPH HUGHES <tr5racer at btinternet.com>
> Date: March 24, 2011 4:49:15 AM CDT
> To: Allen Washatko <awashatko at wi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Unknown TR Part
>
> Dont know Allen, but I cut off the one on my race car chassis  
> several years ago as iit is easier to get the engine in without it  
> and it doesnt seem to have created any problems.
>
> Mike Hughes
>
> --- On Thu, 24/3/11, Allen Washatko <awashatko at wi.rr.com> wrote:
>
> From: Allen Washatko <awashatko at wi.rr.com>
> Subject: [Fot] Unknown TR Part
> To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: Thursday, 24 March, 2011, 0:19
>
> FoT,
>
> Does anyone know what the conical(half) shaped piece of metal is that
> is attached at the left (driver's side) mounting point for the
> steering rack? It sits about 1/2" in front of the lower left front
> corner of the engine block. Is it to prevent the engine from surging
> forward under extreme de-acceleration?
>
> Allen
>
>
> Allen & Jody Washatko
> 1971 TR6  - Number 6
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr5racer at btinternet.com
>
>
>

Allen & Jody Washatko
1971 TR6  - Number 6


From mpendy at dishmail.net  Thu Mar 24 22:28:50 2011
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 21:28:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pain.head gaskets
References: <D129E022-1EB2-47AC-BEC5-D1989082D81C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F9EA46FAD024BD5B4594CF4AD96391F@Pendys>

Brad; i have found that the Cometic gasket works good for my application 
with no issues.Fast and friendly service and they will build to suite. 
Mark
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Kahler" <bkahler1 at gmail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 6:28 AM
Subject: [Fot] Pain.head gaskets


>I just tried go order a payen head gasket for my TR4 and was informed that
> payen has stopped producing them.  Anyone know of a suitable replacement 
> for
> the stock type head gasket?
>
> Brad
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Mar 24 22:59:09 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:59:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oil pressure line flare type
Message-ID: <20110325050103.71BB9187670@autox.team.net>

FoT

I bought one of Ted's braided oil pressure lines. I would like to shorten 

up the hard line coming from the filter head and was wondering if I could do
it

with a regular brake line flaring tool. Does anyone know if it's the same
flare ?

Thanks as always,

jim g


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Mar 25 09:22:36 2011
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:22:36 EDT
Subject: [Fot] BARRY MUNSON'S   NEW FOT PATCHES - AVAILABLE at VIR
Message-ID: <f1ad0.70cec256.3abe0d3c@cs.com>

FOT,

I will be at VIR and will bring a very limited number of the new patches 
that Barry had produced for us.  They are patterned after the CAR BADGES that 
Chris produced for us.    (FOT in ACTION)


If you want these patches please let me know and I will set aside one or 
more of them for you......they are very stylish.  If you are an active 
non-member of the FOT you will want at least one.

I only have eight of them, so speak up. Barry is donating the proceeds of 
these to the FOT.

Joe Alexander</HTML>


From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 25 09:25:20 2011
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:25:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pain.head gaskets
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik647LYq+cGxGJx_Z2JKUxn6X0p3P0oUVutH4dE@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D129E022-1EB2-47AC-BEC5-D1989082D81C@gmail.com>
	<4d8b7b67.6202e70a.2005.426cSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
	<AANLkTik647LYq+cGxGJx_Z2JKUxn6X0p3P0oUVutH4dE@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=RWQFOwHk0mZ3FnRoBWJRTdU4c2qeLeeCib9FK@mail.gmail.com>

Gotta love the iPhone and its spell checker.  Although considering the
"pain" I had to go through to get a "Payen" head gasket I guess it was
appropriate!

Tony,

Thanks for the info!  I called BPNorthwest and they still had the individual
head gaskets in stock so I ordered a few.  They were out of the head gasket
kits but the misc parts can be sourced separately.

All,

Thanks to all for your replies.  It looks like the Payen gasket kits are
definitely unavailable but it seems some places still have the individual
head gaskets.


On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> Brad, I just got 3 of them from British Parts Northwest...
> www.bpnorthwest.com
>
> - Tony
>
> At 08:28 AM 3/24/2011, you wrote:
>
>> I just tried go order a payen head gasket for my TR4 and was informed that
>> payen has stopped producing them.  Anyone know of a suitable replacement
>> for
>> the stock type head gasket?
>>
>> Brad
>> ___


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Mar 25 15:36:11 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 14:36:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pain.head gaskets
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=RWQFOwHk0mZ3FnRoBWJRTdU4c2qeLeeCib9FK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D129E022-1EB2-47AC-BEC5-D1989082D81C@gmail.com>
	<4d8b7b67.6202e70a.2005.426cSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
	<AANLkTik647LYq+cGxGJx_Z2JKUxn6X0p3P0oUVutH4dE@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=RWQFOwHk0mZ3FnRoBWJRTdU4c2qeLeeCib9FK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <073501cbeb34$a93bdad0$fbb39070$@rr.com>

> Gotta love the iPhone and its spell checker.  

That's a recurring theme in the joke newsgroups.  Some of them are pretty
funny.

-- Randall 


From igofaster at att.net  Fri Mar 25 16:09:21 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:09:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?
Message-ID: <116987.17552.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

FOT... TR6 engine mounts?

Just when I need some, Vicky Britt and Moss are a out over a month ..


Can ya help a brother out FOT?   

Bobby Whitehead


From igofaster at att.net  Fri Mar 25 16:27:28 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:27:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Build
Message-ID: <316673.11560.qm@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I posted a few weeks back about my GT6 build and attempt to get the car back and 
racing. My pilot buddy tells me not to beat myself up, because , you know , "the 
car did run after you rebuilt it right?"  Yes.. I got the car back together on 
the first engine I've tried to assemble in about 10 years.. 

First, I didn't understand the exact parameters of setting the timing up exactly 
on the cam. So, Lloyd over there at British Auto got the timing cover off and 
re-addressed the alignment and timing issue. Resolved.
The other issue Lloyd discovered was the harmonic balancer  was off about 22 
degrees. A rebuilt HB that had been misaligned apparently. Guess that could 
throw off a novice like me too...  So.. that's resolved. 

Rebuilt and assembled my engine 08-10-2010.. tried to run TWS 11-2010.. I've 
missed the first race weekend of this year, but now I think I've go the GT6 
dialed in a bit now..
I still have low-ish compression of about 135-140lbs, but I'm not running a zero 
deck block and my head is not aggressively shaved either. 

Going to do dyno runs at Speed Tech later this week for shits and giggles. I'll 
post those results! 


(If I don't blow it up)

Guess I'm doing the Lemons with Bob Kramer and the Kramer Krew at ECL this next 
month... my first...

All the best, FOT forever!
Bobby Whitehead


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Fri Mar 25 17:12:04 2011
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:12:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?
References: <116987.17552.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <74DE7E0820C34EAE9F400699EC028CD2@rocky>

Have you tried The Roadster Factory or TS Imports?

www.the-roadster-factory.com/indexmain.php, www.tsimportedautomotive.com/

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>
To: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 5:09 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?


> FOT... TR6 engine mounts?
>
> Just when I need some, Vicky Britt and Moss are a out over a month ..
>
>
> Can ya help a brother out FOT?
>
> Bobby Whitehead
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From tr6nut at verizon.net  Fri Mar 25 17:24:40 2011
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:24:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?
In-Reply-To: <116987.17552.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <116987.17552.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D8D2438.4060709@verizon.net>

I don't have any spare ones laying about, but I know if you want a 
heavier-duty version of the TR6 mounts, you can use TR8 mounts.  They 
have metric threads but are a bit beefier.


On 3/25/2011 06:09, Bobby Whitehead wrote:
> FOT... TR6 engine mounts?
>
> Just when I need some, Vicky Britt and Moss are a out over a month ..


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Fri Mar 25 20:47:32 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:47:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?
References: <116987.17552.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<74DE7E0820C34EAE9F400699EC028CD2@rocky>
Message-ID: <5E87E7589E804DFF894A48187A8559C4@Charly>

Have you tried British Parts NW?
http://www.bpnorthwest.com/.sc/ms/dd/ee/7568/Mount%20Engine%20TR250-TR6%20GT6

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>; "FoT Triumph" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?


> Have you tried The Roadster Factory or TS Imports?
>
> www.the-roadster-factory.com/indexmain.php, www.tsimportedautomotive.com/
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>
> To: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 5:09 PM
> Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?
>
>
>> FOT... TR6 engine mounts?
>>
>> Just when I need some, Vicky Britt and Moss are a out over a month ..
>>
>>
>> Can ya help a brother out FOT?
>>
>> Bobby Whitehead
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>> Unsubscribe: 
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From RustyTR4 at aol.com  Sat Mar 26 06:44:38 2011
From: RustyTR4 at aol.com (RustyTR4 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:44:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts ?
Message-ID: <5602.301e5ccc.3abf39b6@aol.com>

If you still need some, I have a new pair here I can sell you, why don't  
you send me your ship to address so I can figure out what the cost will  be.
 
Matt
 
Triumph  Rescue
617 Walnut St.
Bally, Pa. 19503
610-845-8217
_www.triumphrescue.com_ (http://www.triumphrescue.com/) 

British  Wiring
617 Walnut St.
P.O. Box 185
Bally, Pa. 19503
_www.BritishWiring.com_ (http://www.britishwiring.com/)  


From jkhagen at charter.net  Sat Mar 26 09:00:39 2011
From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 11:00:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Pain.head gaskets
Message-ID: <22c68307.e134.12ef2ae6761.Webtop.43@charter.net>

FOTs'  The last few FEL PRO sets I ordered had Payen inside.  John Hagen 
VSCR


On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Brad Kahler wrote:

> I just tried go order a payen head gasket for my TR4 and was informed 
> that
> payen has stopped producing them.  Anyone know of a suitable 
> replacement for
> the stock type head gasket?
>
> Brad
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net


From igofaster at att.net  Sat Mar 26 09:03:20 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:03:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 engine mounts...
Message-ID: <602991.41091.qm@web180804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Ted at TSI  helped me on the call ya'll ,,,,,   thanks FoT !!!
 

side note...  my late father was certified as an aircraft mechanic right out of 
Tech High School down here (for most of you) in Fort Worth...  yeah... it was in 
the day when you graduated high school and you actually were trained and 
certified in something that you could be employed by....  anyway, he used to get 
on me when I would use the term 'motor mounts' ...   "motor mounts are for 
motors like electric motor, not an engine" ... apparently an engine is what 
propels our cars and planes unless you drive a Leaf or Prius....  


Bobby Whitehead


From fpspitfire at comcast.net  Sat Mar 26 12:12:50 2011
From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:12:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] WTB: Spitfire 1500 alloy valve cover
Message-ID: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Looking for an alloy valve cover for a Spitfire.B  Can be either the black
version or the polished aluminium version.



any leads?



Aaron Johnson

#87 HP Spitfire 1500

Southern Illinois Regions SCCA


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Mar 26 15:20:46 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:20:46 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000401cbebfb$aee56920$0cb03b60$@com>

>From time to time you hear about a gear crush with cams and distributor
drive gear.

Is there found any reason why this happens?

If you look on these worn gears you see only one side of the cam gear teeth
are worn out the opposite side is in most cases okay.
Does this come from eccentric gear wheel?
Or is the distributor gear not in the right position (height) to fit the cam
gear?
The workshop manual has no hind to adjust the hight of the distributor gear.

Any ideas?

Cheers
Chris


From sbracing at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar 23 12:40:32 2011
From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:40:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-w55E73BA88436D8FBDE2735BAB30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Lucas Oil Products had a new racing only motor with claims of being high zinc
forified.
http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=276&catid=21&loc=sho
w&headTitle= - Lucas High Performance Racing Only Motor Oil
 
There is also a break-in oil with the same claims.
 
Thumbs Up - Steve

--- On Fri, 3/18/11, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>, "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 9:07 PM


FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded  oil  marketed as for flat
tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt.
They
list both conventional and semi-synthetic.

Marty
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 26 17:54:15 2011
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 16:54:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <000401cbebfb$aee56920$0cb03b60$@com>
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My dad always used a shim cut by hand from an aluminum soft-drink can  
that fits under the dist. pedistal.  Never had a problem and it's  
still in the car.
A beer can would work too!  It raises it up a few thou.

~Steve


On Mar 26, 2011, at 2:20 PM, MadMarx wrote:

> From time to time you hear about a gear crush with cams and  
> distributor
drive gear.

Is there found any reason why this happens?

If you look on these worn gears you see only one side of the cam gear  
teeth
are worn out the opposite side is in most cases okay.
Does this come from eccentric gear wheel?
Or is the distributor gear not in the right position (height) to fit  
the cam
gear?
The workshop manual has no hind to adjust the hight of the distributor  
gear.

Any ideas?

Cheers
Chris
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Sat Mar 26 18:16:43 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 20:16:43 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Fitting
Message-ID: <1b3af.124a842d.3abfdbeb@aol.com>

A member of our Club had just recently replaced his fuel pump on his TR6  
and the outlet would not stop leaking.  A member of our Club went over to  
help him get it fixed.  I had mentioned that the nut and ferreule  were an 
unusual size and the last time I heard were NLA..  They went  all over the 
place to find them with no luck. I also told them that I had read  on the list 
to put two ferrules back to back.  They did that and it  worked.  Don't know 
why but it worked.  No leaks.  I hate to say  I told you so . . .
This list is invaluable.
Sam Clark
Green Country Triumphs


From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Mar 26 18:27:23 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 17:27:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <1B593CED-3C74-4EBC-B629-117FE697FC6F@earthlink.net>
References: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><000401cbebfb$aee56920$0cb03b60$@com>
	<1B593CED-3C74-4EBC-B629-117FE697FC6F@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <0cef01cbec15$be489fd0$0301a8c0@randall>

> My dad always used a shim cut by hand from an aluminum 
> soft-drink can  
> that fits under the dist. pedistal. 

If we're talking about a TRactor motor, there is a procedure in the book for
selecting that shim.  I believe it sets the end float for the intermediate
gear between the distributor and the camshaft, which also drives the oil
pump & tach.

-- Randall  


From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Mar 26 19:06:04 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:06:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Fitting
References: <1b3af.124a842d.3abfdbeb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2A5EF54C91744554BF7885C90587EE33@Bud>

I've also found that on a fitting i cannot match up, I take the part to my 
local NAPA store here in Sonoma, Ca....and they spend the time finding 
something that fits/works...Maybe it's just this store, but these guys will 
spend 20 minutes, and then the piece ends up costing 4-5 bucks..( I just had 
this experience with the oil feeder line on my Spitfire)
Racer Bud
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<6-pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 5:16 PM
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Fitting


>A member of our Club had just recently replaced his fuel pump on his TR6
> and the outlet would not stop leaking.  A member of our Club went over to
> help him get it fixed.  I had mentioned that the nut and ferreule  were an
> unusual size and the last time I heard were NLA..  They went  all over the
> place to find them with no luck. I also told them that I had read  on the 
> list
> to put two ferrules back to back.  They did that and it  worked.  Don't 
> know
> why but it worked.  No leaks.  I hate to say  I told you so . . .
> This list is invaluable.
> Sam Clark
> Green Country Triumphs
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sat Mar 26 19:34:17 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:34:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
References: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><000401cbebfb$aee56920$0cb03b60$@com><1B593CED-3C74-4EBC-B629-117FE697FC6F@earthlink.net>
	<0cef01cbec15$be489fd0$0301a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <6E15B672B563443286854D9C912AE070@YOUR34FAFC1654>

I beleive it similar for the sixes as well.  I think I put a spacer in, 
measure the end float, subtract the spacer and come up with the distance, 
then add to get the proper end float and use a gasket or 2 of that thickness 
.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure


>> My dad always used a shim cut by hand from an aluminum
>> soft-drink can
>> that fits under the dist. pedistal.
>
> If we're talking about a TRactor motor, there is a procedure in the book 
> for
> selecting that shim.  I believe it sets the end float for the intermediate
> gear between the distributor and the camshaft, which also drives the oil
> pump & tach.
>
> -- Randall
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Sun Mar 27 01:30:48 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 03:30:48 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Fitting
Message-ID: <22ad3.78c6a817.3ac041a8@aol.com>

The problem here was that it such a PITA to get the line off of the car to  
do anything with it.  This solution just happened to work.
Sam
 
 
In a message dated 3/26/2011 8:06:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
budscars at comcast.net writes:

I've  also found that on a fitting i cannot match up, I take the part to my 
 
local NAPA store here in Sonoma, Ca....and they spend the time finding  
something that fits/works...Maybe it's just this store, but these guys  
will 
spend 20 minutes, and then the piece ends up costing 4-5 bucks..( I  just 
had 
this experience with the oil feeder line on my Spitfire)
Racer  Bud
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<6-pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 5:16  PM
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Fitting


>A member of our Club had  just recently replaced his fuel pump on his TR6
> and the outlet would  not stop leaking.  A member of our Club went over to
> help him get  it fixed.  I had mentioned that the nut and ferreule  were  
an
> unusual size and the last time I heard were NLA..  They  went  all over 
the
> place to find them with no luck. I also told  them that I had read  on 
the 
> list
> to put two ferrules  back to back.  They did that and it  worked.  Don't 
>  know
> why but it worked.  No leaks.  I hate to say  I  told you so . . .
> This list is invaluable.
> Sam Clark
>  Green Country Triumphs
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Mar 27 03:58:00 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:58:00 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <0cef01cbec15$be489fd0$0301a8c0@randall>
References: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><000401cbebfb$aee56920$0cb03b60$@com>
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	<0cef01cbec15$be489fd0$0301a8c0@randall>
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You are all true with your statements but this is clearance and not mesh
adjustment.
The distributor gear is pressed down wards.
To move the gear in a different position you would have to fit shims "under"
the distributor gear to move it up or if you fit no spacers it gear sits on
the block face.
The workshop manual has no advice for moving the gear up or down, only a
clearance that is set with lifting the pedestal with shims.

Question:
If the distributor gear is running on the block face, is that the right
position?
If this is uncertain then how to measure the right mesh position?
Do I have to color the gears to see the contact point like if I would adjust
the rear axle?

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Randall
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Mdrz 2011 01:27
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

> My dad always used a shim cut by hand from an aluminum
> soft-drink can
> that fits under the dist. pedistal.

If we're talking about a TRactor motor, there is a procedure in the book for
selecting that shim.  I believe it sets the end float for the intermediate
gear between the distributor and the camshaft, which also drives the oil
pump & tach.

-- Randall
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Mar 27 04:36:24 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:36:24 +0200
Subject: [Fot] TR4 and F1
In-Reply-To: <22ad3.78c6a817.3ac041a8@aol.com>
References: <22ad3.78c6a817.3ac041a8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000a01cbec6a$d350d690$79f283b0$@com>

Seems that TR's are pace cars in current F1 :-)

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/bilder/zoom.php?c=1101aus&d=4&b=130120146
5&sort=1

Cheers
Chris


From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Mar 27 06:11:33 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 05:11:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <000301cbec65$75923800$60b6a800$@com>
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	<000301cbec65$75923800$60b6a800$@com>
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> If the distributor gear is running on the block face, is that 
> the right position?

The gear shouldn't run on the block face (again assuming we are talking
4-cylinder wet liner), but instead runs on top of a brass bushing (Stanpart
56405) that also carries the drive shaft to the oil pump.

So IMO if you want to move the gear upwards, the first step would be to
replace that bushing with a new one.  I believe that should give you the
proper position of the gear relative to the camshaft.  But if it needs to
come higher than that, I would suggest fitting shims between the flange of
the bushing and the cylinder block, so the gear continues to ride on the
bushing face.

> If this is uncertain then how to measure the right mesh position?
> Do I have to color the gears to see the contact point like if 
> I would adjust the rear axle?

Makes sense to me, but I've never tried it.

Randall


From jsnook at wcnet.org  Sun Mar 27 07:26:43 2011
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:26:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
Message-ID: <6020F0BA-10F1-40D1-BB90-38158582E40E@wcnet.org>

I'll be there with my TR3.

Who else is racing there?

Vroom, vroom,

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
419-344-0319


From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sun Mar 27 07:47:47 2011
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:47:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
In-Reply-To: <6020F0BA-10F1-40D1-BB90-38158582E40E@wcnet.org>
References: <6020F0BA-10F1-40D1-BB90-38158582E40E@wcnet.org>
Message-ID: <4D8F4003.8010607@141.com>

Yay! It will be great to see you again! It's been too long.

Brad and I plan to be there, with or without the car. See you then!

Keep Triumphing,
Susan     :)


On 3/27/2011 9:26 AM, Jeff Snook wrote:
> I'll be there with my TR3.
>
> Who else is racing there?
>
> Vroom, vroom,
>
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
> 419-344-0319
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sun Mar 27 07:52:53 2011
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:52:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <000301cbec65$75923800$60b6a800$@com>
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	<1B593CED-3C74-4EBC-B629-117FE697FC6F@earthlink.net>
	<0cef01cbec15$be489fd0$0301a8c0@randall>
	<000301cbec65$75923800$60b6a800$@com>
Message-ID: <4D8F4135.7080606@blacksburg.net>

On 3/27/2011 5:58 AM, MadMarx wrote:
> You are all true with your statements but this is clearance and not mesh
> adjustment.
> The distributor gear is pressed down wards.
> To move the gear in a different position you would have to fit shims "under"
> the distributor gear to move it up or if you fit no spacers it gear sits on
> the block face.
> The workshop manual has no advice for moving the gear up or down, only a
> clearance that is set with lifting the pedestal with shims.
>    
Chris, you are right and I gave you wrong advice, sorry.  I don't know 
how to move the gear upwards without somehow moving the brass bush that 
it rides on.  That would require pressing it up from inside the block, 
which might be done but by how much?  You do have the bush (Moss 
#836-240) installed, right?  I ask, as you mention the gear riding on 
the block face.  If it is installed correctly, it should just be a 
matter of shimming the pedestal.

I'm still trying to get my scanner to work, so can't send the workshop 
manual pages yet.
> Question:
> If the distributor gear is running on the block face, is that the right
> position?
> If this is uncertain then how to measure the right mesh position?
> Do I have to color the gears to see the contact point like if I would adjust
> the rear axle?
>
>    
White lithium grease works very well for that.

jim
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Randall
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Mdrz 2011 01:27
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph'
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
>    
>> My dad always used a shim cut by hand from an aluminum
>> soft-drink can
>> that fits under the dist. pedistal.
>>      
>
> If we're talking about a TRactor motor, there is a procedure in the book for
> selecting that shim.  I believe it sets the end float for the intermediate
> gear between the distributor and the camshaft, which also drives the oil
> pump&  tach.
>
> -- Randall
> _______________________________________________
>    

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Sun Mar 27 09:40:14 2011
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:40:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
In-Reply-To: <6020F0BA-10F1-40D1-BB90-38158582E40E@wcnet.org>
References: <6020F0BA-10F1-40D1-BB90-38158582E40E@wcnet.org>
Message-ID: <001301cbec95$444efaa0$ccecefe0$@rr.com>

I'll be there and I believe Henry Frye also will be there as well as Mark
Wheatley. 
I found the car in the trailer out in a snow bank and have a path cleared to
the shop so hopefully it will be on the lift so I can look it over or at
least wipe off the oil and dirt.

Russ Moore
Spitfire #49

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jeff Snook
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Friends of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR

I'll be there with my TR3.

Who else is racing there?

Vroom, vroom,

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
419-344-0319
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Mar 27 09:58:20 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:58:20 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <0d5d01cbec78$1d652670$0301a8c0@randall>
References: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><000401cbebfb$aee56920$0cb03b60$@com><1B593CED-3C74-4EBC-B629-117FE697FC6F@earthlink.net><0cef01cbec15$be489fd0$0301a8c0@randall>
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	<0d5d01cbec78$1d652670$0301a8c0@randall>
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I ment with block face this brass face.
I didn't know that it is buyable bearing.
I never seen any of the with wear.

I never had any trouble with this gear but if failed last year and ruined a
good cam.

Any ideas why this gear do fail from time to time?

My idea was that it only fails on chilled cast cams and not on nitrate
hardened but a friend of mine had one failed that was nitrate hardened.

Could it be something that has to do with harmonic resonances of the cam?

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Randall
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Mdrz 2011 14:12
An: 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

> If the distributor gear is running on the block face, is that
> the right position?

The gear shouldn't run on the block face (again assuming we are talking
4-cylinder wet liner), but instead runs on top of a brass bushing (Stanpart
56405) that also carries the drive shaft to the oil pump.

So IMO if you want to move the gear upwards, the first step would be to
replace that bushing with a new one.  I believe that should give you the
proper position of the gear relative to the camshaft.  But if it needs to
come higher than that, I would suggest fitting shims between the flange of
the bushing and the cylinder block, so the gear continues to ride on the
bushing face.

> If this is uncertain then how to measure the right mesh position?
> Do I have to color the gears to see the contact point like if
> I would adjust the rear axle?

Makes sense to me, but I've never tried it.

Randall
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Sun Mar 27 10:35:05 2011
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:35:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] WTB: Spitfire 1500 alloy valve cover
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References: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4D8F6739.8020200@bright.net>

Aaron,we have them in stock with fitting kit. Black or polished. Ted

On 3/26/2011 1:12 PM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote:
> Looking for an alloy valve cover for a Spitfire.B  Can be either the black
> version or the polished aluminium version.
>
>
>
> any leads?
>
>
>
> Aaron Johnson
>
> #87 HP Spitfire 1500
>
> Southern Illinois Regions SCCA
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Mar 27 10:40:20 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:40:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <4D8F4135.7080606@blacksburg.net>
References: <1435415190.2824588.1301163170325.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><000401cbebfb$aee56920$0cb03b60$@com><1B593CED-3C74-4EBC-B629-117FE697FC6F@earthlink.net><0cef01cbec15$be489fd0$0301a8c0@randall><000301cbec65$75923800$60b6a800$@com>
	<4D8F4135.7080606@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <0db501cbec9d$a9685a00$0301a8c0@randall>

> I'm still trying to get my scanner to work, so can't send the 
> workshop manual pages yet.

Try this
http://tinyurl.com/4wffjgn

-- Randall  


From jkhagen at charter.net  Sun Mar 27 12:01:02 2011
From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:01:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
Message-ID: <6c0c4edf.1842f.12ef879eb01.Webtop.44@charter.net>

FOTs'--I have raced Chevy v8s and 1.6/1.8 MG motors and at high RPM they 
all struggle with oil pump/distributor gears.  Problem 1] old worn parts 
2] High RPM throws oil off the gears. Some cams are coming with lazer 
cut oil holes that feed the gear. 3] Some are adapting bronze gears 
which "seat" into cam gear better [and need to be replaced more often] 
--so-- Eliminate end play and driven gears should be "centered" on the 
cam gear --and--keep your RPMs low--OH-forget that last one.  John Hagen


On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 4:58 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> You are all true with your statements but this is clearance and not 
> mesh
> adjustment.
> The distributor gear is pressed down wards.
> To move the gear in a different position you would have to fit shims 
> "under"
> the distributor gear to move it up or if you fit no spacers it gear 
> sits on
> the block face.
> The workshop manual has no advice for moving the gear up or down, only 
> a
> clearance that is set with lifting the pedestal with shims.
>
> Question:
> If the distributor gear is running on the block face, is that the 
> right
> position?
> If this is uncertain then how to measure the right mesh position?
> Do I have to color the gears to see the contact point like if I would 
> adjust
> the rear axle?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Randall
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Mdrz 2011 01:27
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph'
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
>> My dad always used a shim cut by hand from an aluminum
>> soft-drink can
>> that fits under the dist. pedistal.
>
> If we're talking about a TRactor motor, there is a procedure in the 
> book for
> selecting that shim.  I believe it sets the end float for the 
> intermediate
> gear between the distributor and the camshaft, which also drives the 
> oil
> pump & tach.
>
> -- Randall
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Mar 27 13:30:31 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:30:31 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
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	<000301cbec65$75923800$60b6a800$@com>
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	<000f01cbeca7$ab265220$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0>
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When I look at the gears of some cams I get the impress that occasionally
the wrong angle for the teeth has been cut on. I don't know why this is.

Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: William Dewar [mailto:pcdelux at verizon.net]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Mdrz 2011 19:52
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

Chris,

 In the past I have seen this gear damaged two ways. First if the end float
of gear set too tight. Second is a
failure shortly after replacement cam installed. Not sure
why replaced cams caused the failure. Assumed gear on
cam was made wrong.

Bill DeWar
----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: "'Friends of Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure


> I ment with block face this brass face.
> I didn't know that it is buyable bearing.
> I never seen any of the with wear.
>
> I never had any trouble with this gear but if failed last year and ruined
a
> good cam.
>
> Any ideas why this gear do fail from time to time?
>
> My idea was that it only fails on chilled cast cams and not on nitrate
> hardened but a friend of mine had one failed that was nitrate hardened.
>
> Could it be something that has to do with harmonic resonances of the cam?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Randall
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Mdrz 2011 14:12
> An: 'Friends of Triumph'
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
> > If the distributor gear is running on the block face, is that
> > the right position?
>
> The gear shouldn't run on the block face (again assuming we are talking
> 4-cylinder wet liner), but instead runs on top of a brass bushing
(Stanpart
> 56405) that also carries the drive shaft to the oil pump.
>
> So IMO if you want to move the gear upwards, the first step would be to
> replace that bushing with a new one.  I believe that should give you the
> proper position of the gear relative to the camshaft.  But if it needs to
> come higher than that, I would suggest fitting shims between the flange of
> the bushing and the cylinder block, so the gear continues to ride on the
> bushing face.
>
> > If this is uncertain then how to measure the right mesh position?
> > Do I have to color the gears to see the contact point like if
> > I would adjust the rear axle?
>
> Makes sense to me, but I've never tried it.
>
> Randall
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sun Mar 27 13:36:27 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:36:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tr4-6 Clutch Hydraulics
Message-ID: <43ABE2F9-4BDC-43A8-822D-8EB896F178D9@me.com>

I'm adapting a TR6 trans to my GT6. It belatedly occurred to me that  
the proportions between the slave and master cylinders may be  
different from a GT6 to a TR, and I won't end up with enough throw-out  
bearing travel if I use the GT6 bits.  What is the diameter of the  
master cylinder piston and the slave on a TR4 or TR6?  The GT6 is 5/8"  
master and 1" slave.

Thanks!

Scott Janzen
'68 GT6


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Mar 27 14:05:20 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:05:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
In-Reply-To: <6020F0BA-10F1-40D1-BB90-38158582E40E@wcnet.org>
References: <6020F0BA-10F1-40D1-BB90-38158582E40E@wcnet.org>
Message-ID: <20110327200534.B952A187651@autox.team.net>

I'll be there with me TR-4.  Just got the engine bolted in last 
night, should make the "big noise" later today.

- Tony Drews

At 08:26 AM 3/27/2011, Jeff Snook wrote:
>I'll be there with my TR3.
>
>Who else is racing there?
>
>Vroom, vroom,
>
>Jeff Snook
>http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
>419-344-0319
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From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Sun Mar 27 14:48:25 2011
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 07:48:25 +1100
Subject: [Fot] TR4 and F1
In-Reply-To: <000a01cbec6a$d350d690$79f283b0$@com>
References: <22ad3.78c6a817.3ac041a8@aol.com>
	<000a01cbec6a$d350d690$79f283b0$@com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAG+iKtFAIlBNjT8ZGzk00FIBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>

Chris,
You are correct! Triumph Sports Owners Association (TSOA) in Victoria scored
another coup this year in getting TR4's in as the driver parade lap cars. We
have a few people in our ranks that follow this opportunity up diligently
each year to give us a fighting chance at the opportunity. Thus far we have
had TR3's, TR4's twice and Stag's. So I guess we are doing well in the
stakes!





-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Sunday, 27 March 2011 9:36 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] TR4 and F1

Seems that TR's are pace cars in current F1 :-)

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/bilder/zoom.php?c=1101aus&d=4&b=130120146
5&sort=1

Cheers
Chris
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Sun Mar 27 15:07:19 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:07:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
Message-ID: <350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>

Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with regrounds ever since.

Bob Kramer
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless


-----Original message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: &apos;Friends of Triumph&apos; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Mar 27, 2011 16:21:38 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

I ment with block face this brass face.
I didn't know that it is buyable bearing.
I never seen any of the with wear.

I never had any trouble with this gear but if failed last year and ruined a
good cam.

Any ideas why this gear do fail from time to time?

My idea was that it only fails on chilled cast cams and not on nitrate
hardened but a friend of mine had one failed that was nitrate hardened.

Could it be something that has to do with harmonic resonances of the cam?

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Randall
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Mdrz 2011 14:12
An: 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

> If the distributor gear is running on the block face, is that
> the right position?

The gear shouldn't run on the block face (again assuming we are talking
4-cylinder wet liner), but instead runs on top of a brass bushing (Stanpart
56405) that also carries the drive shaft to the oil pump.

So IMO if you want to move the gear upwards, the first step would be to
replace that bushing with a new one.  I believe that should give you the
proper position of the gear relative to the camshaft.  But if it needs to
come higher than that, I would suggest fitting shims between the flange of
the bushing and the cylinder block, so the gear continues to ride on the
bushing face.

> If this is uncertain then how to measure the right mesh position?
> Do I have to color the gears to see the contact point like if
> I would adjust the rear axle?

Makes sense to me, but I've never tried it.

Randall
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 27 16:30:45 2011
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:30:45 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
Message-ID: <3465289.1301265045347.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

This is the list of entrants we have so far. Hopefully a few folks setting on the fence will enter this week. 

Mike 

Tony Drews         Triumph TR-4 
Henry Frye         Triumph TR4 
ALLEN GOODE        TRIUMPH TR4-A 
John Hasty         Triumph TR3A 
Don Marshall       Triumph TR4A 
Russ Moore         Triumph Spitfire 
Tim Slater         Triumph Spitfire 
Jeff Snook         Triumph TR3A 
Dean Tetterton     Triumph TR3A 
Mark Wheatley      Triumph TR-4 
Bob Wismer         Toronado Thunderbolt 



-----Original Message----- 
>From: Spitfire Racing 
>Sent: Mar 27, 2011 11:40 AM 
>To: 'Jeff Snook' , 'Friends of Triumph' 
>Subject: Re: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR 
> 
>I'll be there and I believe Henry Frye also will be there as well as Mark 
>Wheatley. 
>I found the car in the trailer out in a snow bank and have a path cleared to 
>the shop so hopefully it will be on the lift so I can look it over or at 
>least wipe off the oil and dirt. 
> 
>Russ Moore 
>Spitfire #49 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On 
>Behalf Of Jeff Snook 
>Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:27 AM 
>To: Friends of Triumph 
>Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR 
> 
>I'll be there with my TR3. 
> 
>Who else is racing there? 
> 
>Vroom, vroom, 
> 
>Jeff Snook 
>http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 
>419-344-0319 
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 27 17:27:12 2011
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:27:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
In-Reply-To: <3465289.1301265045347.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <3465289.1301265045347.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <712519.70190.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Don't forget that my TVR has a Triumph TR4 motor - that's why I call it a 2200
'Special'
I'll be in the Getto.

Dennis


This is the list of entrants we have
so far. Hopefully a few folks setting on 
the fence will enter this week.
Mike 

Tony Drews        Triumph TR-4 
Henry Frye        Triumph TR4 
ALLEN
GOODE        TRIUMPH TR4-A 
John Hasty        Triumph TR3A 
Don Marshall     
Triumph TR4A 
Russ Moore        Triumph Spitfire 
Tim Slater        Triumph
Spitfire 
Jeff Snook        Triumph TR3A 
Dean Tetterton    Triumph TR3A 
Mark
Wheatley      Triumph TR-4 
Bob Wismer        Toronado Thunderbolt
-----Original Message----- 
>From: Spitfire Racing 
>Sent: Mar 27, 2011 11:40
AM 
>To: 'Jeff Snook' , 'Friends of Triumph' 
>Subject: Re: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
> 
>I'll be there and I believe Henry Frye also will be there as well as Mark
>Wheatley. 
>I found the car in the trailer out in a snow bank and have a path
cleared to 
>the shop so hopefully it will be on the lift so I can look it
over or at 
>least wipe off the oil and dirt. 
> 
>Russ Moore 
>Spitfire #49
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On 
>Behalf Of Jeff Snook 
>Sent: Sunday,
March 27, 2011 9:27 AM 
>To: Friends of Triumph 
>Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR 
>
>I'll be there with my TR3. 
> 
>Who else is racing there? 
> 
>Vroom, vroom,
> 
>Jeff Snook 
>http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 
>419-344-0319
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 27 18:26:38 2011
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:26:38 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
Message-ID: <19199536.1301271999001.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Yea, guilty of just sorting by Triumph.


-----Original Message-----
>From: Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
>Sent: Mar 27, 2011 7:27 PM
>To: Mike Jackson <grandwazoo at earthlink.net>, Friends of Triumph
<fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
>
>Don't forget that my TVR has a Triumph TR4 motor - that's why I call it a
2200
>'Special'
>I'll be in the Getto.
>
>Dennis
>
>
>This is the list of entrants we have so far. Hopefully a few folks setting on
>the fence will enter this week.
>
>
>Mike
>
>Tony DrewsB  B  B  B  Triumph TR-4
>Henry FryeB  B  B  B  Triumph TR4
>ALLEN GOODEB  B  B  B  TRIUMPH TR4-A
>John HastyB  B  B  B  Triumph TR3A
>Don MarshallB  B  B  Triumph TR4A
>Russ MooreB  B  B  B  Triumph Spitfire
>Tim SlaterB  B  B  B  Triumph Spitfire
>Jeff SnookB  B  B  B  Triumph TR3A
>Dean TettertonB  B  Triumph TR3A
>Mark WheatleyB  B  B  Triumph TR-4
>Bob WismerB  B  B  B  Toronado Thunderbolt
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Spitfire Racing
>>Sent: Mar 27, 2011 11:40 AM
>>To: 'Jeff Snook' , 'Friends of Triumph'
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
>>
>>I'll be there and I believe Henry Frye also will be there as well as Mark
>>Wheatley.
>>I found the car in the trailer out in a snow bank and have a path cleared to
>>the shop so hopefully it will be on the lift so I can look it over or at
>>least wipe off the oil and dirt.
>>
>>Russ Moore
>>Spitfire #49
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>>Behalf Of Jeff Snook
>>Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:27 AM
>>To: Friends of Triumph
>>Subject: [Fot] VDCA @ VIR
>>
>>I'll be there with my TR3.
>>
>>Who else is racing there?
>>
>>Vroom, vroom,
>>
>>Jeff Snook
>>http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Mar 28 08:11:46 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:11:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
In-Reply-To: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7E764A88A29643C6B62538107BDCED29@gdhs.local>

Brad-Penn 20/50 seems to work well for us.....

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil


Lucas Oil Products had a new racing only motor with claims of being high
zinc forified.
http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=276&catid=21&loc=sh
o
w&headTitle= - Lucas High Performance Racing Only Motor Oil

There is also a break-in oil with the same claims.

Thumbs Up - Steve

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From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>, "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 9:07 PM


FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded  oil  marketed as for flat
tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt.
They list both conventional and semi-synthetic.

Marty
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Mon Mar 28 08:22:03 2011
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:22:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
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	<7E764A88A29643C6B62538107BDCED29@gdhs.local>
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I agree on the Brad Penn. I also use their Break-In oil. With the amount we
invest in an engine build I'm sure not going on the cheap to save a couple
of bucks for oil and risk losing the engine. BP has worked well for me so
why change?

Russ Moore
Spitfire

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Behalf Of John Hasty
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:12 AM
To: 'Steven Benford Jr'; 'FOT'; 'Triumph List'; 'marty sukey'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil

Brad-Penn 20/50 seems to work well for us.....

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil


Lucas Oil Products had a new racing only motor with claims of being high
zinc forified.
http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=276&catid=21&loc=sh
o
w&headTitle= - Lucas High Performance Racing Only Motor Oil

There is also a break-in oil with the same claims.

Thumbs Up - Steve

--- On Fri, 3/18/11, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>, "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 9:07 PM


FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded  oil  marketed as for flat
tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt.
They list both conventional and semi-synthetic.

Marty
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Mon Mar 28 08:36:42 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:36:42 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
Message-ID: <3caeb.3686850f.3ac1f6fa@aol.com>

What about the Red Line products?  
 
Sam
Green Country Triumphs
 
 
In a message dated 3/28/2011 9:28:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com writes:

I agree  on the Brad Penn. I also use their Break-In oil. With the amount we
invest  in an engine build I'm sure not going on the cheap to save a couple
of  bucks for oil and risk losing the engine. BP has worked well for me so
why  change?

Russ Moore
Spitfire

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Sent:  Monday, March 28, 2011 10:12 AM
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil

Brad-Penn 20/50  seems to work well for us.....

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil


Lucas Oil  Products had a new racing only motor with claims of being high
zinc  forified.
http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=276&catid=21&loc=sh
o
w&headTitle=  - Lucas High Performance Racing Only Motor Oil

There is also a break-in  oil with the same claims.

Thumbs Up - Steve

--- On Fri, 3/18/11,  marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: marty sukey  <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
To: "FOT"  <fot at autox.team.net>, "Triumph List"  <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 9:07  PM


FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded   oil  marketed as for 
flat
tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of  ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt.
They list both conventional and  semi-synthetic.

Marty
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Mar 28 10:19:26 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:19:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
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I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like 
to know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.

I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was 
due to a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks 
from the UK and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into 
Jack's  Mine never failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had 
another problem with a valve hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I 
believe the force of  the impact was transmitted through the pushrods to 
the cam causing deflection and misalignment of the gears.  This occurred 
at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.

More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in 
the UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss, 
BPNW, etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we 
don't hear of may gear failures.

- Larry Young

On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
> Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with regrounds ever since.
>
> Bob Kramer


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Mar 28 10:37:49 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:37:49 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
	<4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com>
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Could it be an oil pressure issue?
When I installed the cam I also installed a new crank with a smaller bearing
clearance.
The oil pressure was pretty good after that.
Cold close 100 psi, hot around 85-90 psi.
I didn't change the relive valve and ran that engine several races with this
high oil pressure.
Maybe the gear failed from too much stress caused by the oil pump?

Had Jack too much oil pressure?

Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Larry Young
Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:19
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like
to know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.

I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was
due to a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks
from the UK and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into
Jack's  Mine never failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had
another problem with a valve hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I
believe the force of  the impact was transmitted through the pushrods to
the cam causing deflection and misalignment of the gears.  This occurred
at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.

More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in
the UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss,
BPNW, etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we
don't hear of may gear failures.

- Larry Young

On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
> Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had
incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with
regrounds ever since.
>
> Bob Kramer
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon Mar 28 10:42:08 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 06:42:08 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
	<4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com>
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I think the most common gear failure comes from not having the distributor
tower clearance set. I destroyed a cam that way. Replaced the tower with an
aluminum one and didn't get the clearance right. Applies too much drag to the
shaft. You would think this gear engagement would be a lot more critical since
it drives the oil pump, which takes a lot of power, but in high mileage street
engines I've dismantled the cam and distributor gear always look fine. I think
the power demand of the pump must not be that much different in a street car
since all a race car needs for the weak drive connection to survive is
removing the stress risers in the slot.

On Mar 28, 2011, at 6:19 AM, Larry Young wrote:

> I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like to
know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.
>
> I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was due to
a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks from the UK
and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into Jack's  Mine never
failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had another problem with a valve
hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I believe the force of  the impact was
transmitted through the pushrods to the cam causing deflection and
misalignment of the gears.  This occurred at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.
>
> More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in the
UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss, BPNW,
etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we don't hear
of may gear failures.
>
> - Larry Young
>
> On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
>> Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had
incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with regrounds
ever since.
>>
>> Bob Kramer
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Mar 28 10:45:11 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:45:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <000601cbed66$7ad18670$70749350$@com>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
	<4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com> <000601cbed66$7ad18670$70749350$@com>
Message-ID: <20110328164527.3735A18786A@autox.team.net>

Interesting theory.  Jack did not have too much oil pressure when the 
gear failed.

- Tony

At 11:37 AM 3/28/2011, MadMarx wrote:
>Could it be an oil pressure issue?
>When I installed the cam I also installed a new crank with a smaller bearing
>clearance.
>The oil pressure was pretty good after that.
>Cold close 100 psi, hot around 85-90 psi.
>I didn't change the relive valve and ran that engine several races with this
>high oil pressure.
>Maybe the gear failed from too much stress caused by the oil pump?
>
>Had Jack too much oil pressure?
>
>Chris
>
>
>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>Auftrag von Larry Young
>Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:19
>An: fot at autox.team.net
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
>I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like
>to know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.
>
>I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was
>due to a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks
>from the UK and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into
>Jack's  Mine never failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had
>another problem with a valve hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I
>believe the force of  the impact was transmitted through the pushrods to
>the cam causing deflection and misalignment of the gears.  This occurred
>at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.
>
>More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in
>the UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss,
>BPNW, etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we
>don't hear of may gear failures.
>
>- Larry Young
>
>On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
> > Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had
>incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with
>regrounds ever since.
> >
> > Bob Kramer


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Mar 28 10:49:46 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:49:46 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <4d90bb1c.843f2b0a.5242.ffff9d23SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
	<4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com> <000601cbed66$7ad18670$70749350$@com>
	<4d90bb1c.843f2b0a.5242.ffff9d23SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <000f01cbed68$26a2b450$73e81cf0$@com>

Maybe it is a combination of things.
- Too much oil pressure which rises the gear load
- high lift cams which don't continuously spin, they have a pulsing rotation
caused by valve and springs
- high revs which can cause resonances on the front part of the cam where
the gear sits

This could result in some kind of pitting that starts to end the story.

But very difficult to tell.

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:45
An: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

Interesting theory.  Jack did not have too much oil pressure when the
gear failed.

- Tony

At 11:37 AM 3/28/2011, MadMarx wrote:
>Could it be an oil pressure issue?
>When I installed the cam I also installed a new crank with a smaller
bearing
>clearance.
>The oil pressure was pretty good after that.
>Cold close 100 psi, hot around 85-90 psi.
>I didn't change the relive valve and ran that engine several races with
this
>high oil pressure.
>Maybe the gear failed from too much stress caused by the oil pump?
>
>Had Jack too much oil pressure?
>
>Chris
>
>
>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>Auftrag von Larry Young
>Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:19
>An: fot at autox.team.net
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
>I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like
>to know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.
>
>I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was
>due to a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks
>from the UK and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into
>Jack's  Mine never failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had
>another problem with a valve hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I
>believe the force of  the impact was transmitted through the pushrods to
>the cam causing deflection and misalignment of the gears.  This occurred
>at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.
>
>More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in
>the UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss,
>BPNW, etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we
>don't hear of may gear failures.
>
>- Larry Young
>
>On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
> > Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had
>incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with
>regrounds ever since.
> >
> > Bob Kramer


From barry at penybryn.ca  Mon Mar 28 12:44:59 2011
From: barry at penybryn.ca (Barry Munson)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:44:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR5/250 Workshop Manual
Message-ID: <000401cbed78$40170520$c0450f60$@ca>

Amici - During my library collection phase I purchased a workshop manual
collection from a former British car repair shop. Included in that
collection was an original factory manual for 1968 TR5/250. This manual is
368 pages in length and is poor shape - has no cover and is well used.
Because of its shape I would never consider selling it however it is
complete and maybe useful to a member. If anyone is interested drop me a
note and I'll send to you gratis.

Barry.


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Mar 28 14:10:10 2011
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:10:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky>

The thing about these "For Racing Only" or "Not street legal" oils, as 
explained to me by my engine builder, is they are high-zinc oils that are 
especially friendly to flat-tappet engines like my Spitfire, but apparently 
exceed EPA emissions standards. Valvoline also has it.

In that respect, NOT the same as (better than!) "racing oil" or other 
synthetics. I've gone from Valvoline Durablend to Valvoline full synthetic 
to this black-bottle stuff. Which you may not be able to buy at your corner 
auto parts store (I tried, O'Reilly's said they can't get it).

So I Googled "motor oil not street legal" last week and where did I find it? 
Amazon! Books, CDs, racing oil -- LOL. Got two cases on the way, $57 each!

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Benford Jr" <sbracing at sbcglobal.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>; "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>; 
"marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil


> Lucas Oil Products had a new racing only motor with claims of being high 
> zinc
> forified.
> http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=276&catid=21&loc=sho
> w&headTitle= - Lucas High Performance Racing Only Motor Oil
>
> There is also a break-in oil with the same claims.
>
> Thumbs Up - Steve
>
> --- On Fri, 3/18/11, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>, "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 9:07 PM
>
>
> FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded  oil  marketed as for 
> flat
> tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt.
> They
> list both conventional and semi-synthetic.
>
> Marty
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From barry at penybryn.ca  Mon Mar 28 20:40:22 2011
From: barry at penybryn.ca (Barry Munson)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:40:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR5/250 Manual
Message-ID: <000101cbedba$a82e07c0$f88a1740$@ca>

Amici - The manual has gone to Randall Young and the quote below indicates
what he intends to do with it:

 

 

"Hi Barry,

> 

> I am definitely interested.  Hopefully I can add it to my pile of 

> Triumph documents to be scanned and shared with the community.  It 

> seems a shame to cut apart a manual that is in good condition (so it 

> can go through the page feeder), but it doesn't sound like that would 

> apply to your copy.

> 

> If you are interested, you can see my modest collection at:

> http://tinyurl.com/56gylc

> 

> -- Randall"

 

-       Barry.


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Mon Mar 28 20:50:52 2011
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:50:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <000f01cbed68$26a2b450$73e81cf0$@com>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
	<4D90B50E.4030309@pobox.com> <000601cbed66$7ad18670$70749350$@com>
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	<000f01cbed68$26a2b450$73e81cf0$@com>
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Interesting thought about too much oil pressure.  Whats too much?

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:50 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

Maybe it is a combination of things.
- Too much oil pressure which rises the gear load
- high lift cams which don't continuously spin, they have a pulsing rotation
caused by valve and springs
- high revs which can cause resonances on the front part of the cam where
the gear sits

This could result in some kind of pitting that starts to end the story.

But very difficult to tell.

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:45
An: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure

Interesting theory.  Jack did not have too much oil pressure when the
gear failed.

- Tony

At 11:37 AM 3/28/2011, MadMarx wrote:
>Could it be an oil pressure issue?
>When I installed the cam I also installed a new crank with a smaller
bearing
>clearance.
>The oil pressure was pretty good after that.
>Cold close 100 psi, hot around 85-90 psi.
>I didn't change the relive valve and ran that engine several races with
this
>high oil pressure.
>Maybe the gear failed from too much stress caused by the oil pump?
>
>Had Jack too much oil pressure?
>
>Chris
>
>
>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>Auftrag von Larry Young
>Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:19
>An: fot at autox.team.net
>Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
>I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like
>to know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.
>
>I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was
>due to a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks
>from the UK and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into
>Jack's  Mine never failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had
>another problem with a valve hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I
>believe the force of  the impact was transmitted through the pushrods to
>the cam causing deflection and misalignment of the gears.  This occurred
>at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.
>
>More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in
>the UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss,
>BPNW, etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we
>don't hear of may gear failures.
>
>- Larry Young
>
>On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
> > Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had
>incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with
>regrounds ever since.
> >
> > Bob Kramer
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon Mar 28 20:53:10 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:53:10 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <000001cbedbc$1e56ca30$5b045e90$@rr.com>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
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I've heard anything more than 10 pounds per thousand RPM is a waste of power.
On Mar 28, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:

> Interesting thought about too much oil pressure.  Whats too much?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of MadMarx
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:50 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
> Maybe it is a combination of things.
> - Too much oil pressure which rises the gear load
> - high lift cams which don't continuously spin, they have a pulsing
rotation
> caused by valve and springs
> - high revs which can cause resonances on the front part of the cam where
> the gear sits
>
> This could result in some kind of pitting that starts to end the story.
>
> But very difficult to tell.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:45
> An: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
> Interesting theory.  Jack did not have too much oil pressure when the
> gear failed.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 11:37 AM 3/28/2011, MadMarx wrote:
>> Could it be an oil pressure issue?
>> When I installed the cam I also installed a new crank with a smaller
> bearing
>> clearance.
>> The oil pressure was pretty good after that.
>> Cold close 100 psi, hot around 85-90 psi.
>> I didn't change the relive valve and ran that engine several races with
> this
>> high oil pressure.
>> Maybe the gear failed from too much stress caused by the oil pump?
>>
>> Had Jack too much oil pressure?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>> Auftrag von Larry Young
>> Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:19
>> An: fot at autox.team.net
>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>>
>> I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like
>> to know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.
>>
>> I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was
>> due to a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks
>> from the UK and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into
>> Jack's  Mine never failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had
>> another problem with a valve hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I
>> believe the force of  the impact was transmitted through the pushrods to
>> the cam causing deflection and misalignment of the gears.  This occurred
>> at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.
>>
>> More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in
>> the UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss,
>> BPNW, etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we
>> don't hear of may gear failures.
>>
>> - Larry Young
>>
>> On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
>>> Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had
>> incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with
>> regrounds ever since.
>>>
>>> Bob Kramer
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 29 00:35:19 2011
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:35:19 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 RS [Rat Sport] - PFI
Message-ID: <99190159-5269-49E0-9F00-57EBB6C383EF@earthlink.net>

PFI: Purely financial interest...
http://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/2292724483.html

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 07:08:30 2011
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:08:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ignition issues
In-Reply-To: <002001cbe2be$36263b90$a272b2b0$@rr.com>
References: <002001cbe2be$36263b90$a272b2b0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <D72B3218-0036-4F9D-B9F2-81A2BD440BA8@gmail.com>

While we're on the subject, for what it's worth --

A friend passed this on to me -- using a 1.5 ohm coil with with a _plastic_
rubbing block and no ballast resistor, the heat generated is enough to start
melting the rubbing block. If the rubbing block is fiber, there shouldn't be a
problem, but if it's plastic, there needs to be a ballast resistor or a higher
resistance coil.

Duncan

On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:08 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:

> First off let me thank the folks that provided good feedback to my question
> regarding the car not wanting to rev.  I am in the diagnostic phase and
this
> is what I have found so far:
>
>
>
> As a recap, I am running the Mallory dual point.  Fresh points, rotor,
> condenser (grounded), and cap.
>
> The total dwell at 1100 rpm it is 40 and at 3500+ rpm it is 45. I assume
> that dwell should not change over the rpm range and this condition is
> indicative that something is wrong. I removed the cap and rotor and I can
> move the top of the shaft far enough back and forth (side to side) to cause
> the points to open and close. This distributor has 6 race weekends on it.
>
> Could the shaft have already worn the bushings? I've read that Mallory will
> not sell you replacement bushing or bearings as they want to rebuild the
> unit.  Are there any alternative suggestions?
>
> Do you guys leave the felt rubbing block in place on the points?  I have
> them in place now, but I don't remember seeing a Lucas point set that uses
> felt pads like that.  Maybe they are a good thing.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Greg
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From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net  Tue Mar 29 15:58:30 2011
From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:58:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
In-Reply-To: <9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky>
Message-ID: <83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC>

I've been using the Valvoline NSL 10w30 dyno (also comes in straight grades) 
in my Spitty 1300 racer now for over a year.   Blackstone Labs has analyzed 
a sample after two week ends at TWS and reported that it was still healthy 
with no contaminates.  It's labeled for a 500 mile life span and I get it at 
my local NAPA store (they will order if not in stock) for $5.50 a quart in 
6-packs.

Bill Collins
DFW, TX
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: "Steven Benford Jr" <sbracing at sbcglobal.net>; "FOT" 
<fot at autox.team.net>; "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>; "martysukey" 
<trmarty at hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 15:10
Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil


> The thing about these "For Racing Only" or "Not street legal" oils, as 
> explained to me by my engine builder, is they are high-zinc oils that are 
> especially friendly to flat-tappet engines like my Spitfire, but 
> apparently exceed EPA emissions standards. Valvoline also has it.
>
> In that respect, NOT the same as (better than!) "racing oil" or other 
> synthetics. I've gone from Valvoline Durablend to Valvoline full synthetic 
> to this black-bottle stuff. Which you may not be able to buy at your 
> corner auto parts store (I tried, O'Reilly's said they can't get it).
>
> So I Googled "motor oil not street legal" last week and where did I find 
> it? Amazon! Books, CDs, racing oil -- LOL. Got two cases on the way, $57 
> each!
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steven Benford Jr" <sbracing at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>; "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>; 
> "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor Oil
>
>
>> Lucas Oil Products had a new racing only motor with claims of being high 
>> zinc
>> forified.
>> http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=276&catid=21&loc=sho
>> w&headTitle= - Lucas High Performance Racing Only Motor Oil
>>
>> There is also a break-in oil with the same claims.
>>
>> Thumbs Up - Steve
>>
>> --- On Fri, 3/18/11, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil
>> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>, "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 9:07 PM
>>
>>
>> FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded  oil  marketed as for 
>> flat
>> tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP.  Currently on sale for $4.95/qt.
>> They
>> list both conventional and semi-synthetic.
>>
>> Marty
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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>>
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Mar 29 16:43:13 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:43:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <000f01cbed68$26a2b450$73e81cf0$@com>
References: <0e45a395-96be-4559-a140-1a07962c44d2@blur>
	<350436ad-eba7-4839-8ae4-9a5e0e950551@blur>
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	<000f01cbed68$26a2b450$73e81cf0$@com>
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*** If you don't like technical discussion hit delete now ***

I have done a fair amount of work on valve train dynamics, to calculate 
the cyclical forces Chris talks about. Some graphs are at 
www.tildentechnologies.com/images/Dynamics.html and the bottom of the 
Triumph Cam Page - www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/TriumphCams.html . 
This is probably more information than most people want to see, but I'll 
give a little explanation anyway.  This is not resonance, but just due 
to vibration at the natural frequency of the valve train, which is about 
900 hz for a TR4. The highest forces occur due to a combination of 
inertial and spring forces when the valve first starts to open.  1000 
lbs of force and a deflection of 0.010 inches is not unusual. I am 
always amazed that the pushrods can support that much force, but it is 
only for a split second (1 msec at 6,000 RPM).  This is the reason I 
like to use new blanks, because the larger diameter shaft increases its 
stiffness significantly.

Larry

On 3/28/2011 11:49 AM, MadMarx wrote:
> Maybe it is a combination of things.
> - Too much oil pressure which rises the gear load
> - high lift cams which don't continuously spin, they have a pulsing rotation
> caused by valve and springs
> - high revs which can cause resonances on the front part of the cam where
> the gear sits
>
> This could result in some kind of pitting that starts to end the story.
>
> But very difficult to tell.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:45
> An: MadMarx;fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>
> Interesting theory.  Jack did not have too much oil pressure when the
> gear failed.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 11:37 AM 3/28/2011, MadMarx wrote:
>> Could it be an oil pressure issue?
>> When I installed the cam I also installed a new crank with a smaller
> bearing
>> clearance.
>> The oil pressure was pretty good after that.
>> Cold close 100 psi, hot around 85-90 psi.
>> I didn't change the relive valve and ran that engine several races with
> this
>> high oil pressure.
>> Maybe the gear failed from too much stress caused by the oil pump?
>>
>> Had Jack too much oil pressure?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von:fot-bounces at autox.team.net  [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>> Auftrag von Larry Young
>> Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mdrz 2011 18:19
>> An:fot at autox.team.net
>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Distributor gear failure
>>
>> I have been watching this discussion with interest, because I would like
>> to know if there is some gear alignment method I don't know about.
>>
>> I'm familiar with the failure that Jack had and do not believe it was
>> due to a problem with the blank.  Back in 2005, I purchased two blanks
> >from the UK and had them ground.  One went into my car and one into
>> Jack's  Mine never failed.  Jack's failed immediately after he had
>> another problem with a valve hitting the top of the cylinder liner.  I
>> believe the force of  the impact was transmitted through the pushrods to
>> the cam causing deflection and misalignment of the gears.  This occurred
>> at the 2006 gathering at Hallett.
>>
>> More recently I have gotten more than 20 blanks from Racestorations in
>> the UK.  Chris has had the only problem with a gear.  The vendors, Moss,
>> BPNW, etc., must sell large numbers of cams ground on new blanks, yet we
>> don't hear of may gear failures.
>>
>> - Larry Young
>>
>> On 3/27/2011 4:07 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:
>>> Uncle Jack came to the conclusion that the aftermarket blanks had
>> incorrectly hobbed gears for the distributor drive. I've stayed with
>> regrounds ever since.
>>> Bob Kramer
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Mar 31 00:40:34 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:40:34 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Judson
In-Reply-To: <83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky>
	<83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC>
Message-ID: <000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com>

Hi,

does anyone have a manual for a Judson supercharger?

Cheers
Chris


From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Mar 31 06:46:26 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:46:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Judson
In-Reply-To: <000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky><83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC>
	<000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com>
Message-ID: <14a601cbefa1$a6c4a770$0301a8c0@randall>

> does anyone have a manual for a Judson supercharger?

I put a few Judson documents up at
http://tinyurl.com/286jzzu

I've got photocopies of more, but haven't had time to scan them yet.  These
include notes to modify the advance weights on a TR3 (to slow down the
centrifugal advance); and to eliminate the advance entirely on a TR4.  There
is also a slightly better version of the installation instructions where the
photos are almost legible.

There is some more at
http://tinyurl.com/4g2sjov

-- Randall  


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Mar 31 07:36:07 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:36:07 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Judson
In-Reply-To: <14a601cbefa1$a6c4a770$0301a8c0@randall>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky><83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC>
	<000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com>
	<14a601cbefa1$a6c4a770$0301a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <002e01cbefa8$995c5360$cc14fa20$@com>

'Thank you!
That is very useful!

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Randall [mailto:TR3driver at ca.rr.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Mdrz 2011 14:46
An: 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Judson

> does anyone have a manual for a Judson supercharger?

I put a few Judson documents up at
http://tinyurl.com/286jzzu

I've got photocopies of more, but haven't had time to scan them yet.  These
include notes to modify the advance weights on a TR3 (to slow down the
centrifugal advance); and to eliminate the advance entirely on a TR4.  There
is also a slightly better version of the installation instructions where the
photos are almost legible.

There is some more at
http://tinyurl.com/4g2sjov

-- Randall


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Mar 31 08:29:13 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:29:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Judson
In-Reply-To: <002e01cbefa8$995c5360$cc14fa20$@com>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky><83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC><000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com><14a601cbefa1$a6c4a770$0301a8c0@randall>
	<002e01cbefa8$995c5360$cc14fa20$@com>
Message-ID: <8CDBDC724208150-D9C-FCD3@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>

 Randall seems to be our resident archivist and fountain of knowledge.

Appreciated.








-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: 'Randall' <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:36 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Judson


'Thank you!

That is very useful!



Chris



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----

Von: Randall [mailto:TR3driver at ca.rr.com]

Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Mdrz 2011 14:46

An: 'MadMarx'; fot at autox.team.net

Betreff: RE: [Fot] Judson



> does anyone have a manual for a Judson supercharger?



I put a few Judson documents up at

http://tinyurl.com/286jzzu



I've got photocopies of more, but haven't had time to scan them yet.  These

include notes to modify the advance weights on a TR3 (to slow down the

centrifugal advance); and to eliminate the advance entirely on a TR4.  There

is also a slightly better version of the installation instructions where the

photos are almost legible.



There is some more at

http://tinyurl.com/4g2sjov



-- Randall

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From klynch_6 at msn.com  Thu Mar 31 10:22:50 2011
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:22:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 (bolt-on) Roll Bar
Message-ID: <BLU151-ds214C3C57C368E927AEF801B7BF0@phx.gbl>

Amici, I've a friend who's looking for a used (after market) GT6 roll bar. If
it matters, his is a Mk III-
Anyone have or know of someone who'd like to sell one?

thanks in advance!

Kevin Colo.


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Mar 31 10:28:39 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:28:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Judson
In-Reply-To: <8CDBDC724208150-D9C-FCD3@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky><83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC><000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com><14a601cbefa1$a6c4a770$0301a8c0@randall>
	<002e01cbefa8$995c5360$cc14fa20$@com>
	<8CDBDC724208150-D9C-FCD3@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <00cc01cbefc0$b1873aa0$1495afe0$@rr.com>

>  Randall seems to be our resident archivist and fountain of knowledge.

You flatter me, Joe.  I'm just trying to help in return for all the help
I've gotten over the years.

But since you put it that way, perhaps I should mention that the Judson is
an inferior design by today's standards.  If you are serious about building
a blower TR motor, you'd be far better off looking for a modern Eaton.  Or
if it has to be vintage, a period Rootes.  Compared to the Roots type
blower, the Judson is less efficient, meaning it takes more power to turn
(for a given boost & flow) and also heats the mixture more (making
detonation more likely).

They also have a nasty habit of shedding abrasive phenolic bits into the
intake.

-- Randall 


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Mar 31 10:32:40 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:32:40 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Judson
In-Reply-To: <00cc01cbefc0$b1873aa0$1495afe0$@rr.com>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky><83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC><000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com><14a601cbefa1$a6c4a770$0301a8c0@randall>
	<002e01cbefa8$995c5360$cc14fa20$@com>
	<8CDBDC724208150-D9C-FCD3@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>
	<00cc01cbefc0$b1873aa0$1495afe0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <003c01cbefc1$420b8950$c6229bf0$@com>

I didn't ask for me - a friend has this thing at the car and needs help how
to operate it.

Great FOT!

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Randall [mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Mdrz 2011 18:29
An: n197tr4 at cs.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Judson

>  Randall seems to be our resident archivist and fountain of knowledge.

You flatter me, Joe.  I'm just trying to help in return for all the help
I've gotten over the years.

But since you put it that way, perhaps I should mention that the Judson is
an inferior design by today's standards.  If you are serious about building
a blower TR motor, you'd be far better off looking for a modern Eaton.  Or
if it has to be vintage, a period Rootes.  Compared to the Roots type
blower, the Judson is less efficient, meaning it takes more power to turn
(for a given boost & flow) and also heats the mixture more (making
detonation more likely).

They also have a nasty habit of shedding abrasive phenolic bits into the
intake.

-- Randall


From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Mar 31 19:45:04 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:45:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Judson
In-Reply-To: <003c01cbefc1$420b8950$c6229bf0$@com>
References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9638120E90AD4055A8678B93B463D637@rocky><83B502C5E67D4A96A4264205E00D9F84@bkolnzPC><000301cbef6e$8c5f06b0$a51d1410$@com><14a601cbefa1$a6c4a770$0301a8c0@randall>
	<002e01cbefa8$995c5360$cc14fa20$@com>
	<8CDBDC724208150-D9C-FCD3@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>
	<00cc01cbefc0$b1873aa0$1495afe0$@rr.com>
	<003c01cbefc1$420b8950$c6229bf0$@com>
Message-ID: <4D952E20.8010008@bradakis.com>

The email list superchargers at autox.team.net started out to be all
about Judsons, but I changed the name to accommodate other makes.
That list get one or two messages a year.  You can check out
http://www.team.net/archive for the superchargers list, but
don't expect much.

mjb.