From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Jun 1 01:30:45 2011 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 00:30:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup @ Laguna Seca References: <4DE473B4.7040403@comcast.net> <43500E7F5D3D4EBFAFD226606FA2F761@Charly> Message-ID: Don't worry about track time. Cris does a good job at providing a good race schedule. everyone should have a great time and plenty of track time. See you all there, Greg Solow From keithfiles at btinternet.com Wed Jun 1 04:03:22 2011 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:03:22 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Racing in the Clio Cup in the UK Message-ID: Dear All, Sorry to bomb the list but some of you may know my son Josh and you may even know about his racing successes and ambitions; he has put together a website about his exploits to date and what he wants to do so if you get some free time could you have a look and let us know what you think. The website is www.joshfiles.co.uk Btw, he is still racing the TR6 with me and we are doing a big event late June at Silverstone on the GP circuit and then we are off to Germany in September to take part in the 3 hour race at the Nurburgring Nordschleife that Chris Marx is organising; believe Kas and Peg will be there too. Cheers, Keith. From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jun 1 07:09:05 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 08:09:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup @ Laguna Seca In-Reply-To: <4DE473B4.7040403@comcast.net> References: <4DE473B4.7040403@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20110601080905.rabjs1n68800cgs8@www.tonydrews.com> I received the schedule and tech form via e-mail this morning. 3 sessions on Tuesday and 4! sessions on Wednesday. I did not get an entry list. Our sessions: Tuesday 9:50 am practice 1:30 pm race 3:30 pm race Wednesday 9:30 am practice 11:10 am race 1:15 pm Kastner Cup race 4:15 pm "Trophy" race Tony Drews Quoting Jim Norlin : > Well, I got the trailer prepped today for the long tow to California. > The car's virtually ready. Still waiting to see a schedule and an > entry list. Anyone else seen anything? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Jun 1 09:47:32 2011 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 10:47:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cam Timing Degree Specs In-Reply-To: References: <4DE53BDC.2020807@charter.net> Message-ID: <4DE65F14.3040104@pobox.com> The best way to set up a cam is to use the intake center, i.e. point of highest lift. It should be 110 ATC for this cam. (the average of 18 BTC and 58 ABC). Look at my webpage on degreeing a cam - http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tips_Takes.html There is also a spreadsheet you can download. Richard, the reason for the difference between .007 and .010 is what I call "valve train squish", i.e. the amount of compression in the valve train due to the springs. Integral cams listed the 0.050 specs at 210 also. Larry On 5/31/2011 9:27 PM, Richard Good wrote: > Glenn, > > The timing specs for the late TR6 cam are: > > Intake open 18 deg BTDC, close 58 deg ABDC > Exhaust open 58 deg BBDC, close 18 deg ATDC > > I believe these timing specs are supposed to be point of > opening/closing. If that is the case, with valve clearance spec of > .010" at the valve, the tappet has to move .010" divided by rocker > ratio of 1.45:1 = .007" before the valve starts opening. So you > should be able to time to these specs at .007" of tappet lift. Stock > cams I have checked appear to have this advertised duration at about > .010" tappet lift so you may have to go to .010" to get these timing > points to hold out. > > I have never seen .050" timing specs for the stock cam but the ones I > have checked appear to have about 210 deg duration at .050" so the > timing specs would be: > > Intake open 5 deg ATDC, close 35 deg ABDC > Exhaust open 35 deg BBDC, close 5 deg BTDC > > Regards, > Richard Good > Good Parts Inc. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Glenn Franco" > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 3:05 PM > To: "Friends of triumph" ; <6pack at autox.team.net> > Subject: [Fot] Cam Timing Degree Specs > >> Hi >> I putting a late model 74 TR6 back together after a rebuild. >> I'm attempting to time the cam. This one has no marks on the gears >> since it had been replaced. >> I have the degree wheel set up but I'm having difficulty finding the >> cam specs for a stock TR6 Cam? >> And if found what amount of lift does the specs relate to (.050"??) >> on this engine. >> Can anyone out there point me in the right direction. >> The head has not been installed and I have the degree wheel set and >> the dial indicator taking measurements off the pushrod. >> Thanks in advance >> Glenn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Jun 1 09:51:57 2011 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 10:51:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances In-Reply-To: <20110530180533.85397187660@autox.team.net> References: <20110530180533.85397187660@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4DE6601D.3030200@pobox.com> Jim, Triumph listed cam bearing clearances as 0.0028 to 0.0047 with a wear limit of 0.0059. You probably want to be toward the lose side for racing, but you don't want to bleed off too much oil pressure and starve the rockers. Larry On 5/30/2011 1:03 PM, Jim Gray wrote: > FoT, > > I can't seem to locate much information on TR-4 cam bearings. I'm sure many > would appreciate > > any input on the following topics. I'm seeing some wear on my cam and > bearings that needs to be addressed > > now. > > Questions are as follows; > > What are racing clearances for front bearing. > > What are racing clearances for the other three bearings. > > Does anyone use friction reducing coatings on their cam bearings. > > Cam thrust..any info. > > Cam bearing type& manufacture. > > Any hot tips for cam bearings and overall longevity. > > > > Thanks for the input as always, > > > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From ac at camoletti.ch Wed Jun 1 10:51:49 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 18:51:49 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances In-Reply-To: <4DE6601D.3030200@pobox.com> References: <20110530180533.85397187660@autox.team.net> <4DE6601D.3030200@pobox.com> Message-ID: <006a01cc207c$33d54470$9b7fcd50$@camoletti.ch> Hi Jim! I sent a post about this topic on April 25, asking for comments about influence of these clearances on ignition timing, distributor gear life and valve train lash. Bearing clearance is not mentioned in the Manual (at least in the TR2/3 Manual) and I understand it can be quite important for a proper cam and ignition timing, and these figures are nowhere given or explained. There are different clearances for the front bearing (the one bolted in) and the ones inside the blocked (pressed in, make sure you do not file the slot in the bearings to make ingress easier, they are quite a tight difficult press fit but make the right clearance). Clearance bearing #1= 0.00275'' to 0.0047'', Clearance bearings #2-3-4= .002'' to .0035'' End float min .003'' up to .0075'' I found these figures in David Vizard, Tuning Triumphs over 1300cc, published 1973, page 32 (NLA of course, found it on Amazon marketplace for a price). Vizard recommends to go for the absolute minimum clearance and end float, in order to affect ignition timing as little as possible. Apparently end float clearance has quite an impact on ignition timing. Larry, what about impact on cam timing? Any comment of Mr Kastner about the comp dept practices at the time? Cheers ! Alex Camoletti TR3A 1959 -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Larry Young Envoyi : mercredi 1 juin 2011 17:52 @ : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances Jim, Triumph listed cam bearing clearances as 0.0028 to 0.0047 with a wear limit of 0.0059. You probably want to be toward the lose side for racing, but you don't want to bleed off too much oil pressure and starve the rockers. Larry On 5/30/2011 1:03 PM, Jim Gray wrote: > FoT, > > I can't seem to locate much information on TR-4 cam bearings. I'm sure > many would appreciate > > any input on the following topics. I'm seeing some wear on my cam and > bearings that needs to be addressed > > now. > > Questions are as follows; > > What are racing clearances for front bearing. > > What are racing clearances for the other three bearings. > > Does anyone use friction reducing coatings on their cam bearings. > > Cam thrust..any info. > > Cam bearing type& manufacture. > > Any hot tips for cam bearings and overall longevity. > > > > Thanks for the input as always, > > > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 1 10:56:21 2011 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 12:56:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances In-Reply-To: <4DE6601D.3030200@pobox.com> References: <20110530180533.85397187660@autox.team.net>, <4DE6601D.3030200@pobox.com> Message-ID: > Jim, > Triumph listed cam bearing clearances as 0.0028 to 0.0047 with a wear > limit of 0.0059. You probably want to be toward the lose side for > racing, but you don't want to bleed off too much oil pressure and starve > the rockers. > Larry > I don't know, but I would think that, for racing, you would want to be toward the WIN side. Anon From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jun 1 11:18:09 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 10:18:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances In-Reply-To: <006a01cc207c$33d54470$9b7fcd50$@camoletti.ch> References: <20110530180533.85397187660@autox.team.net><4DE6601D.3030200@pobox.com> <006a01cc207c$33d54470$9b7fcd50$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <01c301cc207f$e1805080$0301a8c0@randall> > I found these figures in David Vizard, Tuning Triumphs over 1300cc, The same figures (pretty close) can be found in the factory TR2/3 workshop manual, page B3 (or page 87 of the Bentley reprint). -- Randall From ac at camoletti.ch Wed Jun 1 11:41:47 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 19:41:47 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances In-Reply-To: <01c301cc207f$e1805080$0301a8c0@randall> References: <20110530180533.85397187660@autox.team.net><4DE6601D.3030200@pobox.com> <006a01cc207c$33d54470$9b7fcd50$@camoletti.ch> <01c301cc207f$e1805080$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <007b01cc2083$2f4de360$8de9aa20$@camoletti.ch> Thank you Randall, I must have been tired when checking out. in fact VIZARD recommends to go for clearances at the lowest end (while for a race engine one would tend to go for the larger clearances), to ensure timing precision -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Randall Envoyi : mercredi 1 juin 2011 19:18 @ : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances > I found these figures in David Vizard, Tuning Triumphs over 1300cc, The same figures (pretty close) can be found in the factory TR2/3 workshop manual, page B3 (or page 87 of the Bentley reprint). -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Wed Jun 1 15:26:07 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:26:07 +1000 Subject: [Fot] re TR6 cam timing specs Message-ID: all triumph factory cams I have seen are symetrical, so you can time it perfectly by getting the exact rock point as shown in the factory manual. the 18/58/58/18 timing is correct for US market cars, but in fact was the stock cam from the T2000 or GT6 model. It years since i've timed a stock triumph cam with no dots, but normally these are cam timing values (not valve timing values), so if thats correct, you need to check the iInlet valve cam follower starts to open 58 BTDC. i have made a lead weighted (filled) follower with a rod sticking out of it to help me do this. Terry From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jun 1 20:51:13 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 21:51:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow schedule? Message-ID: <20110601215113.e4qfmjs5s8g04k4g@www.tonydrews.com> Does anyone have info on the Buttonwillow schedule for this coming weekend? I'm specifically looking for when on Friday registration and tech opens, and when they allow us into the track. Also, is there any place in particular that the TRiumph guys generally set up shop? Thanks, Tony Drews From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jun 2 07:27:23 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:27:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow schedule? Message-ID: <27904.1307021243@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } tech will open at 3pm On Wed 01/06/11 7:51 PM , tony at tonydrews.com sent: Does anyone have info on the Buttonwillow schedule for this coming weekend? I'm specifically looking for when on Friday registration and tech opens, and when they allow us into the track. Also, is there any place in particular that the TRiumph guys generally set up shop? Thanks, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [2] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [3] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [4] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [5] Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com [6] Links: ------ [2] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [3] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jun 2 09:01:51 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 17:01:51 +0200 Subject: [Fot] 6h Spa In-Reply-To: <27904.1307021243@mitchelplumbing.com> References: <27904.1307021243@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <002701cc2136$03b9ca80$0b2d5f80$@com> Found this snippet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VoHk6Z4Hpk&feature=player_embedded Chris From john at race-dogs.com Thu Jun 2 09:42:43 2011 From: john at race-dogs.com (John Wilkins) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:42:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow schedule? In-Reply-To: <20110601215113.e4qfmjs5s8g04k4g@www.tonydrews.com> References: <20110601215113.e4qfmjs5s8g04k4g@www.tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <000b01cc213b$b6bba680$2432f380$@com> Tony- The gate is open all day on Friday and late into the evening- It is open testing on Friday run by the track, you pay BW for testing Friday, no tech required Friday- Tech normally starts at 3:00pm till 6:00pm on Friday and will b by registration- Saturday again at 7:00 am- Those FOT'ers are all welcome- Tentative Schedules are posted at www.vararacing.com under the 2nd tab "event info" - Hope to see you at the track- JW -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tony at tonydrews.com Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 7:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow schedule? Does anyone have info on the Buttonwillow schedule for this coming weekend? I'm specifically looking for when on Friday registration and tech opens, and when they allow us into the track. Also, is there any place in particular that the TRiumph guys generally set up shop? Thanks, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at race-dogs.com -- This message was scanned WACS, Inc. Spam Filters is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=133D9283F1.804DE From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Jun 2 10:07:04 2011 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 12:07:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VARAC/VRG Mosport in 2 weeks Message-ID: <002f01cc213f$1d602c00$58208400$@rr.com> Any of you plan on attending one of the best events in North America? Turn 2 has been described as a religious experience by many! I know Donn Sopp; Bill Rampe; Lee Walsh; Mark Wheatley; and I will be there leaking Triumph oil, well, Lee will have Turner oil seeping. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jun 2 10:35:26 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 12:35:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VARAC/VRG Mosport in 2 weeks In-Reply-To: <002f01cc213f$1d602c00$58208400$@rr.com> References: <002f01cc213f$1d602c00$58208400$@rr.com> Message-ID: Almost ready and yes going wide on 2 with a Shelby on my left was an experience for sure. http://vimeo.com/13035029 See you there Russ. A. On 2 June 2011 12:07, Spitfire Racing wrote: > Any of you plan on attending one of the best events in North America? Turn 2 > has been described as a religious experience by many! > > > > I know Donn Sopp; Bill Rampe; Lee Walsh; Mark Wheatley; and I will be there > leaking Triumph oil, well, Lee will have Turner oil seeping. > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jun 2 11:06:20 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 13:06:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] VARAC/VRG Mosport in 2 weeks Message-ID: In a message dated 06/02/2011 11:44:39 AM Central Daylight Time, andre at gt6.ca writes: > <<< Almost ready and yes going wide on 2 with a Shelby on my left was an > experience for sure. >>> > In spite of having one on one help from Kas available to me my first time at Mosport, I never did get close to getting Mosport Turn TWO right. I was racing our Thunder Bolt, which is RHD, and at my weight, in a left hand, downhill, double apex, off camber, blind corner...I was convinced I was going to roll over even in no traffic. Mosport's Turn TWO is one of road racing's Leaps of Faith. But my favorite at Mosport is coming out of Stirling Moss's corner and going up hill on the back straight. A TR drive train sure shines on that part of the track. I'd sure like to run Mosport again, and especially to get Bob Wismer up there one time. But alas, we'll be at the Blackhawk Vintage Classic, where we've been racing every Father's Day week end for 19 years. When vintage racing first started taking off in the late 1970s there were barely a half dozen events per year. Now it seems like there are a half dozen events each week end. That, dear friends, is one of our problems. Very, very hard for all of them to continue to be successful. Bill Dentinger From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Thu Jun 2 16:07:23 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 08:07:23 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 cam timing specs Message-ID: yes, silly me., typo. inlet begins to open 18 BTDC Terry From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 2 17:54:31 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 17:54:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Message-ID: <4DE822B7.90604@bradakis.com> I'm planning to arrive at the track late monday afternoon. Should I be begging for a crew pass or something like that so I can actually get onto the premises? mjb. From tr6driver at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 06:29:12 2011 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 05:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 superflex lower control bush needed...help? Message-ID: <810479.72409.qm@web114702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> As some of you may know, our TR6 ChumpCar ended up meeting the armco at a higher-than-desired rate of speed at the Charlotte race back in April. We're currently thrashing to create another TR6 Chumper out of the remnants of Lacey and a frame/tub from a team member. One of our few "splurges" on the car the first time around was a set of purple "SuperFlex" poly bushings. We've been able to save all but *one lower control arm bushing* from the wrecked car. Has anyone got a single bushing to sell? We've been trying to find anyone dealing with these in the US to no avail so far...and we'd rather not sub another type, although that is obviously an option. Any suggestions (besides buying a whole set)? Thanks. Remember, this is a truly chumpy car on a truly chumpy budget.... :-) Jamie Palmer tr6driver at yahoo.com Squadron Leader, RiffRAF Racing From limeyv8 at aol.com Fri Jun 3 13:10:17 2011 From: limeyv8 at aol.com (Jack McGahey) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:10:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 superflex lower control bush needed...help? In-Reply-To: <810479.72409.qm@web114702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <810479.72409.qm@web114702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: He means "SuperPro" - the Australian brand Right Jamie? Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Jamie Palmer wrote: > As some of you may know, our TR6 ChumpCar ended up meeting the armco at a > higher-than-desired rate of speed at the Charlotte race back in April. We're > currently thrashing to create another TR6 Chumper out of the remnants of Lacey > and a frame/tub from a team member. One of our few "splurges" on the car the > first time around was a set of purple "SuperFlex" poly bushings. We've been > able to save all but *one lower control arm bushing* from the wrecked car. > Has anyone got a single bushing to sell? We've been trying to find anyone > dealing with these in the US to no avail so far...and we'd rather not sub > another type, although that is obviously an option. > > Any suggestions (besides > buying a whole set)? Thanks. Remember, this is a truly chumpy car on a truly > chumpy budget.... :-) > > Jamie Palmer > tr6driver at yahoo.com > Squadron Leader, > RiffRAF Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From tr6driver at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 13:35:44 2011 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 12:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 superflex lower control bush needed...help? In-Reply-To: References: <810479.72409.qm@web114702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <558518.99915.qm@web114705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Right as usual, Jack. How could I forget that?!?!?! From: Jack McGahey To: Jamie Palmer Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Friday, June 3, 2011 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 superflex lower control bush needed...help? He means "SuperPro" - the Australian brand Right Jamie? Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Jamie Palmer wrote: > As some of you may know, our TR6 ChumpCar ended up meeting the armco at a > higher-than-desired rate of speed at the Charlotte race back in April. We're > currently thrashing to create another TR6 Chumper out of the remnants of Lacey > and a frame/tub from a team member. One of our few "splurges" on the car the > first time around was a set of purple "SuperFlex" poly bushings. We've been > able to save all but *one lower control arm bushing* from the wrecked car. > Has anyone got a single bushing to sell? We've been trying to find anyone > dealing with these in the US to no avail so far...and we'd rather not sub > another type, although that is obviously an option. > > Any suggestions (besides > buying a whole set)? Thanks. Remember, this is a truly chumpy car on a truly > chumpy budget.... :-) > > Jamie Palmer > tr6driver at yahoo.com > Squadron Leader, > RiffRAF Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Fri Jun 3 15:35:59 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 17:35:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] Alternator Retrofit Message-ID: <3f513.ca652b0.3b1aadbf@aol.com> All, Has anyone tried to retrofit a Delco alternator to a GT6? I have a '72 MKIII. The reason I ask is that my rebuilder says that the 15ACR is too small with the air conditioning (factory/dealer) that is installed on the car. The problem is that to make it work I will have to find someone to fabricate a new bracket. The Delco wants to occupy the same place as the solid mount that is on the block. Will something else work? I has to fit the same footprint as the Lucas as the Lucas almost touches the hood strut. Thanks for all your help. Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Jun 3 16:37:08 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:37:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Alternator Retrofit In-Reply-To: <3f513.ca652b0.3b1aadbf@aol.com> References: <3f513.ca652b0.3b1aadbf@aol.com> Message-ID: <060001cc223e$c6b4dbc0$541e9340$@rr.com> > Will something else work? There is a 55 amp Bosch alternator that will fit right into the 15 ACR mounts. It's a bit more expensive than the common Delcos (although Delco does make a similar unit); but my FLAPS had one on the shelf and the cost was only about $75 outright. I see Rockauto has several of them for $50 + shipping. Original equipment on a 78 Ford Fiesta with A/C (and a Bosch alternator, the Motorcraft unit is completely different). Another alternative is to cut into the alternator housing to make it fit. -- Randall From spitlist at cox.net Fri Jun 3 17:01:35 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 16:01:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Alternator Retrofit In-Reply-To: <060001cc223e$c6b4dbc0$541e9340$@rr.com> References: <3f513.ca652b0.3b1aadbf@aol.com> <060001cc223e$c6b4dbc0$541e9340$@rr.com> Message-ID: That is the one I put on my Spit as well. It is not only mount compatible but also plug compatible. And unlike the Delco unit, it is small enough in physical size that it does not look out of place. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 3:37 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Alternator Retrofit > Will something else work? There is a 55 amp Bosch alternator that will fit right into the 15 ACR mounts. It's a bit more expensive than the common Delcos (although Delco does make a similar unit); but my FLAPS had one on the shelf and the cost was only about $75 outright. I see Rockauto has several of them for $50 + shipping. Original equipment on a 78 Ford Fiesta with A/C (and a Bosch alternator, the Motorcraft unit is completely different). Another alternative is to cut into the alternator housing to make it fit. -- Randall triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net Triumphs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Fri Jun 3 17:49:54 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 19:49:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] [TR] Alternator Retrofit Message-ID: <436f6.e12aa22.3b1acd22@aol.com> That is the problem The engine mount wants to exist in the same place the alternator wants to occupy. I guess I should have stated that the alternator supplied is a 105 amp Delco. I guess that I will look at the 65 amp delco and the 55 amp Bosch. Thanks for your help. Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs In a message dated 6/3/2011 5:44:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tr3driver at ca.rr.com writes: > Will something else work? Another alternative is to cut into the alternator housing to make it fit. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From gaf3 at charter.net Sat Jun 4 04:30:30 2011 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 06:30:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cam Timing Degree Specs In-Reply-To: <4DE65F14.3040104@pobox.com> References: <4DE53BDC.2020807@charter.net> <4DE65F14.3040104@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4DEA0946.7060502@charter.net> Thanks to all for the feedback on cam timing specs. The cam checked out at both .010" and .050" lift to the specs you all provided and with the intake at 110 deg ATDC of full lift. Thanks for the Help! Glenn On 6/1/2011 11:47 AM, Larry Young wrote: > The best way to set up a cam is to use the intake center, i.e. point > of highest lift. It should be 110 ATC for this cam. (the average of > 18 BTC and 58 ABC). Look at my webpage on degreeing a cam - > http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tips_Takes.html There is also > a spreadsheet you can download. > > Richard, the reason for the difference between .007 and .010 is what I > call "valve train squish", i.e. the amount of compression in the valve > train due to the springs. Integral cams listed the 0.050 specs at 210 > also. > Larry > > On 5/31/2011 9:27 PM, Richard Good wrote: >> Glenn, >> >> The timing specs for the late TR6 cam are: >> >> Intake open 18 deg BTDC, close 58 deg ABDC >> Exhaust open 58 deg BBDC, close 18 deg ATDC >> >> I believe these timing specs are supposed to be point of >> opening/closing. If that is the case, with valve clearance spec of >> .010" at the valve, the tappet has to move .010" divided by rocker >> ratio of 1.45:1 = .007" before the valve starts opening. So you >> should be able to time to these specs at .007" of tappet lift. Stock >> cams I have checked appear to have this advertised duration at about >> .010" tappet lift so you may have to go to .010" to get these timing >> points to hold out. >> >> I have never seen .050" timing specs for the stock cam but the ones I >> have checked appear to have about 210 deg duration at .050" so the >> timing specs would be: >> >> Intake open 5 deg ATDC, close 35 deg ABDC >> Exhaust open 35 deg BBDC, close 5 deg BTDC >> >> Regards, >> Richard Good >> Good Parts Inc. From andre at gt6.ca Sat Jun 4 21:43:45 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 23:43:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Hood In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can anyone assist Laurent? A. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Laurent Nault Date: 4 June 2011 13:55 Subject: Hood To: andre at gt6.ca Hi Andri I had an accident with my car last week. A 5 tonnes truck back-up into me at a red light. He missed his entry and decide to back-up with out lookig. So I am looking for a hood (bonnet) for my GT6+ 69. Do you know somebody who has one that I can buy? Thanks Laurent GT6+ 69 http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/LarryBMW72/?action=view¤t=P1020410 .jpg http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/LarryBMW72/?action=view¤t=P1020416 .jpg -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sun Jun 5 04:45:14 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 20:45:14 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Re TR6 superflex lower control bush needed Message-ID: if you want the 'super-pro" bushes, i can help as we have a trade account with them, and in fact did all the protype development work with them in 1980's for nearly all the TR bushes. the bush colours used to designate the hardness, but now they make batches of bushes in different colours for various vendors like Chris Witor in UK who sell them under their own brand like "super-flex" Terry From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Jun 5 06:27:49 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 08:27:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Hood In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301cc237b$fc1fe500$f45faf00$@rogers.com> http://www.jaxed.com/cgi-bin/sd.cgi?cat=pts&fil=triumph+gt6&state=&submit=go http://www.searchtempest.com/results.php?location=13669&maxDist=1500®ion_ us=1&search_string=triumph+gt6&keytype=adv&Region=na&cityselect=zip&page=0&s howeb=1&category=8&subcat=pts&minAsk=min&maxAsk=max Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: June 4, 2011 11:44 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Hood Can anyone assist Laurent? A. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Laurent Nault Date: 4 June 2011 13:55 Subject: Hood To: andre at gt6.ca Hi Andri I had an accident with my car last week. A 5 tonnes truck back-up into me at a red light. He missed his entry and decide to back-up with out lookig. So I am looking for a hood (bonnet) for my GT6+ 69. Do you know somebody who has one that I can buy? Thanks Laurent GT6+ 69 http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/LarryBMW72/?action=view¤t=P102041 0 .jpg http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/LarryBMW72/?action=view¤t=P102041 6 .jpg -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Jun 6 07:10:47 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 09:10:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure Message-ID: What are you folks running for fuel pressure on 1-1/4 S.U.'s ? Spitfire application. Thanks, Marty From bownes at seiri.com Mon Jun 6 07:20:13 2011 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 09:20:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Disposing of a TR6 Message-ID: Folks, Figured I'd offer it up to the FOT first. I have a TR6 given to me by a friend for parts. If I can't get rid of it whole, I'm probably going to strip it for the running gear. I'd prefer to see it go whole to someone as a project. It is a 72, dark red, fibreglas fenders on all 4 corners, rusty trailing arm mounts, rust in the inner rear wheel arches. Hurting but recoverable. Located in Troy, N.Y. From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Jun 6 07:34:42 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 09:34:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Disposing of a TR6 Message-ID: <380-22011616133442632@M2W126.mail2web.com> Perfect LeMons car candidate!!! :D Original Message: ----------------- From: robert bownes bownes at seiri.com Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 09:20:13 -0400 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Disposing of a TR6 Folks, Figured I'd offer it up to the FOT first. I have a TR6 given to me by a friend for parts. If I can't get rid of it whole, I'm probably going to strip it for the running gear. I'd prefer to see it go whole to someone as a project. It is a 72, dark red, fibreglas fenders on all 4 corners, rusty trailing arm mounts, rust in the inner rear wheel arches. Hurting but recoverable. Located in Troy, N.Y. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jun 6 07:38:59 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 08:38:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D432@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> My pressure gauge says 5-6 pounds. I always expect it not to work, but it seems to work fine. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:11 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure What are you folks running for fuel pressure on 1-1/4 S.U.'s ? Spitfire application. Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 6 07:50:36 2011 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 06:50:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D432@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D432@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <3F6BA172-627E-4CEE-8E2C-409D23B02914@earthlink.net> 2.5 psi On Jun 6, 2011, at 6:38 AM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > My pressure gauge says 5-6 pounds. I always expect it not to work, but > it seems to work fine. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of marty sukey > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:11 AM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > > What are you folks running for fuel pressure on 1-1/4 S.U.'s ? Spitfire > application. > > Thanks, > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Jun 6 08:17:31 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:17:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure In-Reply-To: <3F6BA172-627E-4CEE-8E2C-409D23B02914@earthlink.net> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D432@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>, <3F6BA172-627E-4CEE-8E2C-409D23B02914@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the feedback Steve, Scott. I am struggling with a very intermittent problem with Evelyn's TR8 that I think might be fuel related. It just randomly shuts down every once in a while, feels like it runs out of gas. Let it sit for 5 minutes and it starts and runs file. Last couple of times it did it was once after 150 miles of driving and once after 250 miles of driving. Prior to that it ran a year after I had replaced the pump with no issues. Recently I replaced the ground wire just in case. Anyhow, the car came with one of those inexpensive chrome pressure regulators with the big round dial. I seem to recall folks having issues with those and was going to replace it with a Holley 12-804 and be able to rule that out as a possible problem source. My Spitfire has the same type of regulator so I was going to replace that one at the same time. Thanks again, Marty > CC: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 06:50:36 -0700 > To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com > > 2.5 psi > > > > > On Jun 6, 2011, at 6:38 AM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > > > My pressure gauge says 5-6 pounds. I always expect it not to work, but > > it seems to work fine. > > > > Scott B. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of marty sukey > > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:11 AM > > To: FOT > > Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > > > > What are you folks running for fuel pressure on 1-1/4 S.U.'s ? Spitfire > > application. > > > > Thanks, > > Marty > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jun 6 08:20:11 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 09:20:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow Message-ID: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } The first stop for some on the way to The Kastner Cup was great, Joe Siam had some very quick Spits at the track, Mordy proved to be very fast as usual, Tony gets the rookie of the year award, and we had some fairly decent weather with a lite shower on Saturday . More to follow I'm sure. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 6 08:31:51 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 16:31:51 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> This is from race two. My first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers Chris From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jun 6 08:46:29 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 09:46:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D432@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>, <3F6BA172-627E-4CEE-8E2C-409D23B02914@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D43E@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I had problems with that style pressure regulator (the inexpensive chrome one with the big round dial). I think others have as well. I replaced it with the Holley, replaced the Facet pump with a Holley Blue, put in a nice Autometer pressure gauge and I've had no problems since - with fuel stuff, anyway :-) I also had trouble with one of those glass in-line fuel filters. I liked it because you could see that you had fuel in the line, but it was REALLY restricting the flow. I was surprised how much it restricted flow. I ran a test, pumping fuel through the lines, eliminating one element at a time, to find my problem. That in-line filter cut flow by more than half, IIRC. Scott From: marty sukey [mailto:trmarty at hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 9:18 AM To: colordog.1 at earthlink.net; Barr, Scott Cc: FOT Subject: RE: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure Thanks for the feedback Steve, Scott. I am struggling with a very intermittent problem with Evelyn's TR8 that I think might be fuel related. It just randomly shuts down every once in a while, feels like it runs out of gas. Let it sit for 5 minutes and it starts and runs file. Last couple of times it did it was once after 150 miles of driving and once after 250 miles of driving. Prior to that it ran a year after I had replaced the pump with no issues. Recently I replaced the ground wire just in case. Anyhow, the car came with one of those inexpensive chrome pressure regulators with the big round dial. I seem to recall folks having issues with those and was going to replace it with a Holley 12-804 and be able to rule that out as a possible problem source. My Spitfire has the same type of regulator so I was going to replace that one at the same time. Thanks again, Marty > CC: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 06:50:36 -0700 > To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com > > 2.5 psi > > > > > On Jun 6, 2011, at 6:38 AM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > > > My pressure gauge says 5-6 pounds. I always expect it not to work, but > > it seems to work fine. > > > > Scott B. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of marty sukey > > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:11 AM > > To: FOT > > Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > > > > What are you folks running for fuel pressure on 1-1/4 S.U.'s ? Spitfire > > application. > > > > Thanks, > > Marty > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 6 08:58:14 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 10:58:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow In-Reply-To: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <8CDF2714C03FB13-1548-3BCBC@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> BUTTONWILLOW was all very cool.... KCUP committee says 28 entries for Laguna. excellent showing. lots of people coming to join us at the track. FOT ROCKS! -----Original Message----- From: Charly To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:20 am Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } The first stop for some on the way to The Kastner Cup was great, Joe Siam had some very quick Spits at the track, Mordy proved to be very fast as usual, Tony gets the rookie of the year award, and we had some fairly decent weather with a lite shower on Saturday . More to follow I'm sure. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jun 6 09:05:15 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:05:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure Message-ID: <13099.1307372715@mitchelplumbing.com> I had a problem similar to that with a TR6 that around town it was fine but once I opened it up on the freeway after about 10 minutes a seemed to run out of gas. I finally tracked it down to a restricted fuel line. If a car sits for a while the condensation in the tank settles to the lowest point, the fuel line and can cause some rust or corrosion to form. I simply ran a wire through the fuel line to break it up and then blew air through it with a chaser of WD40. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } On Mon 06/06/11 7:17 AM , marty sukey trmarty at hotmail.com sent: Thanks for the feedback Steve, Scott. I am struggling with a very intermittent problem with Evelyn's TR8 that I think might be fuel related. It just randomly shuts down every once in a while, feels like it runs out of gas. Let it sit for 5 minutes and it starts and runs file. Last couple of times it did it was once after 150 miles of driving and once after 250 miles of driving. Prior to that it ran a year after I had replaced the pump with no issues. Recently I replaced the ground wire just in case. Anyhow, the car came with one of those inexpensive chrome pressure regulators with the big round dial. I seem to recall folks having issues with those and was going to replace it with a Holley 12-804 and be able to rule that out as a possible problem source. My Spitfire has the same type of regulator so I was going to replace that one at the same time. Thanks again, Marty > CC: trmarty at hotmail.com [1]; fot at autox.team.net [2] > From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net [3] > Subject: Re: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 06:50:36 -0700 > To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com [4] > > 2.5 psi > > > > > On Jun 6, 2011, at 6:38 AM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > > > My pressure gauge says 5-6 pounds. I always expect it not to work, but > > it seems to work fine. > > > > Scott B. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [fot-bounces at autox.team.net [6]] On > > Behalf Of marty sukey > > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:11 AM > > To: FOT > > Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > > > > What are you folks running for fuel pressure on 1-1/4 S.U.'s ? Spitfire > > application. > > > > Thanks, > > Marty > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net [7] > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com [8] > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net [9] > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net [10] _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net [11] http://www.fot-racing.com [12] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [13] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [14] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [15] Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com [16] Links: ------ [1] mailto:trmarty at hotmail.com [2] mailto:fot at autox.team.net [3] mailto:colordog.1 at earthlink.net [4] mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com [5] mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com [6] mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net [7] mailto:fot at autox.team.net [8] mailto:scott.barr at mccarty-law.com [9] mailto:fot at autox.team.net [10] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net [11] mailto:fot at autox.team.net [12] http://www.fot-racing.com [13] http://www.team.net/donate.html [14] http://www.team.net/archive [15] http://www.team.net/forums [16] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Jun 6 10:04:32 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 12:04:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> Message-ID: <000001cc2463$6dd17eb0$49747c10$@rogers.com> Looks like you had him looking for you and not concentrating on his line or speed. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: June 6, 2011 10:32 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. My first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From chasgee at aol.com Mon Jun 6 10:58:33 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 12:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <000001cc2463$6dd17eb0$49747c10$@rogers.com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com><002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> <000001cc2463$6dd17eb0$49747c10$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <8CDF2821AC9F6E4-700-3D59E@webmail-d160.sysops.aol.com> I agree. What happened at the end? Chuck -----Original Message----- From: macdonaldp To: 'MadMarx' ; 'FOT' Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:17 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL Looks like you had him looking for you and not concentrating on his line or peed. -----Original Message----- rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On ehalf Of MadMarx ent: June 6, 2011 10:32 AM o: 'FOT' ubject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. y first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers hris ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 6 11:01:35 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 19:01:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <8CDF2821AC9F6E4-700-3D59E@webmail-d160.sysops.aol.com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com><002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> <000001cc2463$6dd17eb0$49747c10$@rogers.com> <8CDF2821AC9F6E4-700-3D59E@webmail-d160.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004a01cc246b$65a42aa0$30ec7fe0$@com> The engine moved 5mm to the front and ripped off the ignition wire  engine died. Car is still running and Ill try to move the front out and reconstruct it. Chris Von: chasgee at aol.com [mailto:chasgee at aol.com] Gesendet: Montag, 6. Juni 2011 18:59 An: macdonaldp at rogers.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL I agree. What happened at the end? Chuck -----Original Message----- From: macdonaldp To: 'MadMarx' ; 'FOT' Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:17 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL Looks like you had him looking for you and not concentrating on his line or speed. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: June 6, 2011 10:32 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. My first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From PegAndBobM at aol.com Mon Jun 6 11:46:12 2011 From: PegAndBobM at aol.com (PegAndBobM at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 13:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL Message-ID: <525f5.4b62dc6b.3b1e6c64@aol.com> Great video and side by side racing showing each other a lot of respect. Hope you remain friends. __it happens, even in vintage racing. In a message dated 06/06/2011 11:16:38 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, chasgee at aol.com writes: I agree. What happened at the end? Chuck -----Original Message----- From: macdonaldp To: 'MadMarx' ; 'FOT' Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:17 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL Looks like you had him looking for you and not concentrating on his line or peed. -----Original Message----- rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On ehalf Of MadMarx ent: June 6, 2011 10:32 AM o: 'FOT' ubject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. y first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers hris ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pegandbobm at aol.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jun 6 12:08:54 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 14:08:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> Message-ID: <9D1B61AB77F54962A5F838EE65616E63@gdhs.local> While I may be a bit prejudiced in favor of yellow TR3's (see pic attached) He checked up on you....off line and on the brakes again after he had already slowed for the turn. I notice that you have your OD switch on the wheel. How does it work for you when you go from, say, 3rd OD into 4th. Normal? I thought it would be difficult to coordinate switching out of 3OD on the wheel while shifting into 4th. For this reason I mounted a button switch on top of the gear shift ball where all you need do is punch the button as you shift....Must admit; however, sometimes that button gets pushed when I didn't want it pushed! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:32 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. My first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of VIR 2011.JPG] From malaboge at aol.com Mon Jun 6 14:06:25 2011 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 16:06:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> Message-ID: <8CDF29C591EAD63-1310-40EBD@webmail-m169.sysops.aol.com> Chris, Looks to me as though you had the TR3 really worried. He was taking some weird lines to try to keep you behind him! I believe his last ditch trick worked pretty well...he seemed to make you tap him on purpose to get you a little ruffled, and it seemed to work as you weren't all over him and he could take a breather. I know none of us would do such a thing, but I think I read it in a book that "some" drivers have been known to do exactly what he did...just sayin No I didn't...and you can't prove it... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'FOT' Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 7:31 am Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. y first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers hris ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com From riverside at southslope.net Mon Jun 6 14:47:39 2011 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:47:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Weber setup for sale Message-ID: A customer in Illinois called today to offer a TR6 weber setup for sale. I have no financial interest. His e-mail is broadbent.kent at gmail.com art de armond From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Jun 6 16:47:50 2011 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:47:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure References: Message-ID: <92AAE3FE32D142BFA2FD05A74EC77ED5@rocky> 2.5 psi on my HP (nee GP) 1147 Spitfire I run two Holley red fuel pumps that put out 7 psi each -- both running at the same time (from duckfoots in each back corner of the fuel cell) Up front the regulator chokes the flow down to 2.5. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:10 AM Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > What are you folks running for fuel pressure on 1-1/4 S.U.'s ? Spitfire > application. > > Thanks, > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Jun 6 16:56:24 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:56:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC Related - Tow Vehicle Oil Change Issue Message-ID: <4DED5B18.4040500@141.com> Hi gang! This is probably a silly question, but I didn't know if this would be a problem or not and wanted some expert advice. I had the oil changed in our 2002 Dakota today while it was having some other service and they put synthetic in it. To my knowledge, the truck has never had synthetic in it before, and it was not flushed or anything, just had the old oil dumped and the new synthetic put in it. I just got home and saw it on the receipt. Will this be a problem? The truck has approx. 235k miles on it and it has been doing very well. I really don't want to mess it up. Thanks in advance! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Mon Jun 6 17:21:04 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 19:21:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC Related - Tow Vehicle Oil Change Issue Message-ID: <5f592.6ed509e0.3b1ebae0@aol.com> Look for leaks. Other than that I wouldn't expect any problems. Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs In a message dated 6/6/2011 5:58:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, spitfiresuz at 141.com writes: Hi gang! This is probably a silly question, but I didn't know if this would be a problem or not and wanted some expert advice. I had the oil changed in our 2002 Dakota today while it was having some other service and they put synthetic in it. To my knowledge, the truck has never had synthetic in it before, and it was not flushed or anything, just had the old oil dumped and the new synthetic put in it. I just got home and saw it on the receipt. Will this be a problem? The truck has approx. 235k miles on it and it has been doing very well. I really don't want to mess it up. Thanks in advance! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From billb at bnj.com Mon Jun 6 17:43:05 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 16:43:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC Related - Tow Vehicle Oil Change Issue In-Reply-To: <4DED5B18.4040500@141.com> References: <4DED5B18.4040500@141.com> Message-ID: nope On Jun 6, 2011, at 3:56 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > Hi gang! > > This is probably a silly question, but I didn't know if this would be a problem or not and wanted some expert advice. I had the oil changed in our 2002 Dakota today while it was having some other service and they put synthetic in it. To my knowledge, the truck has never had synthetic in it before, and it was not flushed or anything, just had the old oil dumped and the new synthetic put in it. I just got home and saw it on the receipt. > > Will this be a problem? The truck has approx. 235k miles on it and it has been doing very well. I really don't want to mess it up. > > Thanks in advance! > > Keep Triumphing, > Susan :) > > -- > I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 skype: bill.babcockkenalu www.bnj.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Jun 6 18:27:35 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:27:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> Message-ID: <20110607003013.75A74187651@autox.team.net> His fault, he was driving with his mirrors, lost sight of the apex, it happens. Great race though jg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:32 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. My first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From igofaster at att.net Mon Jun 6 18:53:56 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 with SU175's? Message-ID: <906811.18946.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> So I bought a set of SU175's, used, on eBay. They came with the shorter version of the intake manifold which is what I think is 'early' manifold (69-70?) . My 1971 TR6 has the 'deeper' manifold and to make it easier I'm trying to line the SU's up on the deeper version. I'm wondering if the front carb will clear the hood with the dashpot seemingly close to the inner support beam of the hood. Or... does the GT6 intake manifold also line up with the TR6 head? I've got a couple modified intakes that take 175's. The TR6 manifold rises up from the head, the GT6 manifold drops down. Bobby Whitehead From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Mon Jun 6 19:42:51 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 21:42:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 with SU175's? Message-ID: <64ae3.49cc49a5.3b1edc1b@aol.com> Are you talking about ZS175's or HS6 Carbs? Looking at my GT6 everything looks close to the bonnet. I think that is why they put a bolt on the front valve cover mount instead of the usual stud. If in doubt you can mock it all up without gaskets and put some modeling clay on the parts you think you have clearance problems with and then GENTLY lower the bonnet and then raise the bonnet and measure the amount of "squish" to determine the clearance. Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs In a message dated 6/6/2011 7:57:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, igofaster at att.net writes: So I bought a set of SU175's, used, on eBay. They came with the shorter version of the intake manifold which is what I think is 'early' manifold (69-70?) . My 1971 TR6 has the 'deeper' manifold and to make it easier I'm trying to line the SU's up on the deeper version. I'm wondering if the front carb will clear the hood with the dashpot seemingly close to the inner support beam of the hood. Or... does the GT6 intake manifold also line up with the TR6 head? I've got a couple modified intakes that take 175's. The TR6 manifold rises up from the head, the GT6 manifold drops down. Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From goodparts at verizon.net Mon Jun 6 20:16:15 2011 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 22:16:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 with SU175's? In-Reply-To: <906811.18946.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <906811.18946.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006C06E3493042C4AB6CBB7371848FDA@AdminPC> Bobby, The early manifolds were used through 1971 (Vin# CC75000) and have closer port spacing than the later manifolds so they are not interchangeable on the same head. The port spacing is about 1-7/8" vs. 2-3/16". Make sure your manifold matches your head. The wrong one will bolt on and probably seal but will not flow well. I have not heard of any issues with SU HS6's on the stock manifold hitting the hood. GT6 manifolds have the wide port spacing so they can only be used on 1972 or later heads. With the GT6 manifold I am afraid your front air cleaner may interfere with the inner fender. Regards, Richard Good -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bobby Whitehead" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:53 PM To: "FoT Triumph" Subject: [Fot] TR6 with SU175's? > So I bought a set of SU175's, used, on eBay. They came with the shorter > version > of the intake manifold which is what I think is 'early' manifold (69-70?) > . My > 1971 TR6 has the 'deeper' manifold and to make it easier I'm trying to > line the > SU's up on the deeper version. I'm wondering if the front carb will clear > the > hood with the dashpot seemingly close to the inner support beam of the > hood. > Or... does the GT6 intake manifold also line up with the TR6 head? I've > got a > couple modified intakes that take 175's. The TR6 manifold rises up from > the > head, the GT6 manifold drops down. > > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Jun 6 21:48:24 2011 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 22:48:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner Message-ID: <000001cc24c5$c0f6f8b0$42e4ea10$@rr.com> I have started the disassembly of the TR3 to determine what went wrong in May at ECR. Last night after removing the radiator, I flushed it with the garden hose and found enough rust particles to cover the bottom of a jam jar. I use an aluminum radiator so my thinking right now is that these particles must be from the liners. The radiator also has a coating of oily gunk presumable from one of my head gasket failures in past race weekends. So I have two questions for the group: 1) What is a good chemical treatment for flushing oily residue from the alum radiator? 2) Who are the current sources for good quality liners? I am sure I'll have more questions once I pull and disassemble the engine. Thanks, Greg From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jun 7 00:17:33 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 08:17:33 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <8CDF29C591EAD63-1310-40EBD@webmail-m169.sysops.aol.com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> <8CDF29C591EAD63-1310-40EBD@webmail-m169.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000c01cc24da$97c9ff90$c75dfeb0$@com> Hi Nick, I have a G-force readout and speed too of my car. The yellow TR3 and me had lap by lap a cornering speed of 49-50 mph. I hit that car at a speed of 46 mph. So he was much slower at that moment, when he drove into my line. Thats all what I can tell you from my computer datas. Cheers Chris Von: malaboge at aol.com [mailto:malaboge at aol.com] Gesendet: Montag, 6. Juni 2011 22:06 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL Chris, Looks to me as though you had the TR3 really worried. He was taking some weird lines to try to keep you behind him! I believe his last ditch trick worked pretty well...he seemed to make you tap him on purpose to get you a little ruffled, and it seemed to work as you weren't all over him and he could take a breather. I know none of us would do such a thing, but I think I read it in a book that "some" drivers have been known to do exactly what he did...just sayin No I didn't...and you can't prove it... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'FOT' Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 7:31 am Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. My first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Jun 7 06:34:25 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 07:34:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner In-Reply-To: <000001cc24c5$c0f6f8b0$42e4ea10$@rr.com> References: <000001cc24c5$c0f6f8b0$42e4ea10$@rr.com> Message-ID: Since we can't run anti-freeze with its anti rust properties rust in the cooling system is common for us. I use water wetter most of the time and it purports to have some rust inhibitors but I still get rust. IMHO the rust is coming from the block, in the cooling areas around the liners. The older the engine the more it attaches to the liners. What I'm saying is I doubt you have a liner problem. The liners are a much higher quality steel than the cast block. Now that you mention it I'd better schedule a cooling system flush. I used to do that all the time. I think Prestone sells both a cooling systm chemical for flushing and an Anti Rust inhibitor. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:48 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner I have started the disassembly of the TR3 to determine what went wrong in May at ECR. Last night after removing the radiator, I flushed it with the garden hose and found enough rust particles to cover the bottom of a jam jar. I use an aluminum radiator so my thinking right now is that these particles must be from the liners. The radiator also has a coating of oily gunk presumable from one of my head gasket failures in past race weekends. So I have two questions for the group: 1) What is a good chemical treatment for flushing oily residue from the alum radiator? 2) Who are the current sources for good quality liners? I am sure I'll have more questions once I pull and disassemble the engine. Thanks, Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From rjl6n at cstone.net Tue Jun 7 07:07:00 2011 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:07:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner In-Reply-To: References: <000001cc24c5$c0f6f8b0$42e4ea10$@rr.com> Message-ID: I have used a mixture of distilled water plus Water Wetter and Prestone Water Pump Lube with Rust Inhibitors. This worked quite well for me. John On Tue, June 7, 2011 8:34 am, Kramer, Robert wrote: > Since we can't run anti-freeze with its anti rust properties rust in the > cooling system is common for us. I use water wetter most of the time and > it > purports to have some rust inhibitors but I still get rust. IMHO the rust > is > coming from the block, in the cooling areas around the liners. The older > the > engine the more it attaches to the liners. What I'm saying is I doubt you > have > a liner problem. The liners are a much higher quality steel than the cast > block. Now that you mention it I'd better schedule a cooling system flush. > I > used to do that all the time. I think Prestone sells both a cooling systm > chemical for flushing and an Anti Rust inhibitor. > > Bob Kramer > Texas Rental Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-687-7422 Office > 512-657-8526 Cell > > > Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things > turn > out. ~John Wooden > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of Greg & Alison Blake > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:48 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner > > I have started the disassembly of the TR3 to determine what went wrong in > May at ECR. Last night after removing the radiator, I flushed it with the > garden hose and found enough rust particles to cover the bottom of a jam > jar. I use an aluminum radiator so my thinking right now is that these > particles must be from the liners. The radiator also has a coating of > oily > gunk presumable from one of my head gasket failures in past race weekends. > So I have two questions for the group: > > > > 1) What is a good chemical treatment for flushing oily residue from > the alum radiator? > > 2) Who are the current sources for good quality liners? > > > > I am sure I'll have more questions once I pull and disassemble the engine. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jun 7 08:05:58 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:05:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC Related - Tow Vehicle Oil Change Issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My 2000 Dakota had 52000 when I bought it 3 yrs ago and the first thing I did was to put Valvoline Syn in it. No flush etc. Now at 105000 it has never missed a beat and doesn't use a drop of oil...... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 7:43 PM To: Susan Kahler Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC Related - Tow Vehicle Oil Change Issue nope On Jun 6, 2011, at 3:56 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > Hi gang! > > This is probably a silly question, but I didn't know if this would be > a problem or not and wanted some expert advice. I had the oil changed in our 2002 Dakota today while it was having some other service and they put synthetic in it. To my knowledge, the truck has never had synthetic in it before, and it was not flushed or anything, just had the old oil dumped and the new synthetic put in it. I just got home and saw it on the receipt. > > Will this be a problem? The truck has approx. 235k miles on it and it > has been doing very well. I really don't want to mess it up. > > Thanks in advance! > > Keep Triumphing, > Susan :) > > -- > I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 skype: bill.babcockkenalu www.bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Jun 7 09:22:48 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:22:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner In-Reply-To: <000001cc24c5$c0f6f8b0$42e4ea10$@rr.com> References: <000001cc24c5$c0f6f8b0$42e4ea10$@rr.com> Message-ID: <001901cc2526$c388a900$4a99fb00$@com> I used a product called "Sea Foam" to flush out the cooling system on one of my street cars when the head gasket failed and oil was being pumped into the coolant. It worked good, took a couple of flushes, put it in, run it for awhile, flush, do again. It's sold at most automotive stores. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:48 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner I have started the disassembly of the TR3 to determine what went wrong in May at ECR. Last night after removing the radiator, I flushed it with the garden hose and found enough rust particles to cover the bottom of a jam jar. I use an aluminum radiator so my thinking right now is that these particles must be from the liners. The radiator also has a coating of oily gunk presumable from one of my head gasket failures in past race weekends. So I have two questions for the group: 1) What is a good chemical treatment for flushing oily residue from the alum radiator? 2) Who are the current sources for good quality liners? I am sure I'll have more questions once I pull and disassemble the engine. Thanks, Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From jason at multivintage.com Tue Jun 7 11:19:41 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 12:19:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? Message-ID: For those of us wishing we were there... how about ANY kind of updates about how its going out there at our Big Event! In a racing world where certain networks broadcast 6 hours of discussion and analysis about guys and girls driving around in circles, How about someone out there playing Triumph Journalist and giving us some info on our Awesome Triumph Friends? Surely there is some kind of Media Center...stocked with fine aged wines, imported beer, beautiful people and live video feeds of on track action. Couldn't someone sit in there, basking in the air conditioned glory of the Monterrey experience and give us some info on who and what is running and how things are going. I mean this is THE KASTNER CUP for heavens sake. Give us some FOT news Please! Way To Into Triumphs, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jun 7 12:09:20 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 20:09:20 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <001a01cc2527$fafa4640$f0eed2c0$@com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> <001a01cc2527$fafa4640$f0eed2c0$@com> Message-ID: <001c01cc253e$0a3f4360$1ebdca20$@com> During the winter I've installed new gadgets at the suspension, like new front springs, an additionally leaf to the rear spring..... And the result was, I was slow. I was beaten in race 1 by some slower cars: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1882696461188 Overnight from Saturday to Sunday I moved all these gadgets out of my car and returned to the last years setup and it worked as you already seen at my video of race two. What do we learn...never change a well running system ;-) Cheers Chris From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jun 7 13:09:42 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 15:09:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDF35D970C8C00-1058-AEEB@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> it's awesome. i hope the KCUP committee will report tonight. John Nikas surprised us with event shirts....you can contact him for purchase. we likely will have posters left, if there is any interest.....sponsored by Nikas, Belfer, and A.R.E. Front runners 1ST SESSION....TR250K, TR4....MORDY HERALD....JERRY BAKER VITESSE out for the moment..... oil line TR4....PAUL SMOCK rebuilt engine at track after breaking crank at Buttonwillow. This is all very cool. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 12:19 pm Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? For those of us wishing we were there... how about ANY kind of updates about how its going out there at our Big Event! In a racing world where certain networks broadcast 6 hours of discussion and analysis about guys and girls driving around in circles, How about someone out there playing Triumph Journalist and giving us some info on our Awesome Triumph Friends? Surely there is some kind of Media Center...stocked with fine aged wines, imported beer, beautiful people and live video feeds of on track action. Couldn't someone sit in there, basking in the air conditioned glory of the Monterrey experience and give us some info on who and what is running and how things are going. I mean this is THE KASTNER CUP for heavens sake. Give us some FOT news Please! Way To Into Triumphs, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Jun 7 13:11:47 2011 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <001c01cc253e$0a3f4360$1ebdca20$@com> Message-ID: <1183366681.1843924.1307473907762.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Good philosophy that's been around for many years - "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2011 11:09:20 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL During the winter I've installed new gadgets at the suspension, like new front springs, an additionally leaf to the rear spring..... And the result was, I was slow. I was beaten in race 1 by some slower cars: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1882696461188 Overnight from Saturday to Sunday I moved all these gadgets out of my car and returned to the last years setup and it worked as you already seen at my video of race two. What do we learn...never change a well running system ;-) Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintage.racer at comcast.net From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Tue Jun 7 13:39:04 2011 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:39:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net> Second that! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jun 7, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > For those of us wishing we were there... how about ANY kind of > updates about > how its going out there at our Big Event! > In a racing world where certain networks broadcast 6 hours of > discussion and > analysis about guys and girls driving around in circles, How about > someone > out there playing Triumph Journalist and giving us some info on our > Awesome > Triumph Friends? > Surely there is some kind of Media Center...stocked with fine aged > wines, > imported beer, beautiful people and live video feeds of on track > action. > Couldn't someone sit in there, basking in the air conditioned glory of > the Monterrey experience and give us some info on who and what is > running > and how things are going. I mean this is THE KASTNER CUP for > heavens sake. > Give us some FOT news Please! > > Way To Into Triumphs, > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 14:10:30 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:10:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? In-Reply-To: <8CDF35D970C8C00-1058-AEEB@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDF35D970C8C00-1058-AEEB@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Sorry all for the delay. Awesome event with a large turnout. VIPS are all overall the place both TR and non. Ferraris, Birdcage Masers and Astons abound with Can-Am and F1 here too. Tons of good Triumph club folk visiting with great event swag and gourmet lunch buffet. We miss you all and will update when possible. On Jun 7, 2011 12:51 PM, wrote: > it's awesome. > > i hope the KCUP committee will report tonight. > > John Nikas surprised us with event shirts....you can contact him for > purchase. > > we likely will have posters left, if there is any interest.....sponsored by > Nikas, Belfer, and A.R.E. > > Front runners 1ST SESSION....TR250K, TR4....MORDY HERALD....JERRY BAKER > VITESSE out for the moment..... oil line TR4....PAUL SMOCK rebuilt > engine at track after breaking crank at Buttonwillow. This is all very cool. > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Ostrowski > To: triumph friends > Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 12:19 pm > Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? > > > For those of us wishing we were there... how about ANY kind of updates about > how its going out there at our Big Event! > In a racing world where certain networks broadcast 6 hours of discussion and > analysis about guys and girls driving around in circles, How about someone > out there playing Triumph Journalist and giving us some info on our Awesome > Triumph Friends? > Surely there is some kind of Media Center...stocked with fine aged wines, > imported beer, beautiful people and live video feeds of on track action. > Couldn't someone sit in there, basking in the air conditioned glory of > the Monterrey experience and give us some info on who and what is running > and how things are going. I mean this is THE KASTNER CUP for heavens sake. > Give us some FOT news Please! > > Way To Into Triumphs, > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jun 7 15:30:56 2011 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 16:30:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <000c01cc24da$97c9ff90$c75dfeb0$@com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> <8CDF29C591EAD63-1310-40EBD@webmail-m169.sysops.aol.com> <000c01cc24da$97c9ff90$c75dfeb0$@com> Message-ID: <4DEE9890.5070206@pobox.com> I seem to remember a previous video with that TR3 where he was driving dirty. Not what you would expect in vintage racing and especially not from a fellow TR guy. On 6/7/2011 1:17 AM, MadMarx wrote: > Hi Nick, > > > > I have a G-force readout and speed too of my car. > > The yellow TR3 and me had lap by lap a cornering speed of 49-50 mph. > > I hit that car at a speed of 46 mph. So he was much slower at that moment, > when he drove into my line. > > Thats all what I can tell you from my computer datas. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > Von: malaboge at aol.com [mailto:malaboge at aol.com] > Gesendet: Montag, 6. Juni 2011 22:06 > An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL > > > > Chris, > > > > Looks to me as though you had the TR3 really worried. He was taking some > weird lines to try to keep you behind him! I believe his last ditch trick > worked pretty well...he seemed to make you tap him on purpose to get you a > little ruffled, and it seemed to work as you weren't all over him and he > could take a breather. I know none of us would do such a thing, but I think > I read it in a book that "some" drivers have been known to do exactly what > he did...just sayin > > > > No I didn't...and you can't prove it... > > Nick in Nor Cal > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MadMarx > To: 'FOT' > Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 7:31 am > Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL > > This is from race two. > My first car to car contact at my race career. > > I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jun 7 16:15:59 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 00:15:59 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <4DEE9890.5070206@pobox.com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> <8CDF29C591EAD63-1310-40EBD@webmail-m169.sysops.aol.com> <000c01cc24da$97c9ff90$c75dfeb0$@com> <4DEE9890.5070206@pobox.com> Message-ID: <000601cc2560$7d52d390$77f87ab0$@com> Right - last year at Assen race track I was following him on a full throttle straight with 3 gentle kinks. You can take them all full without any problem. He did brake at one of them. I followed close behind to have profit from his drag and wasn't able to brake so I steered the car off track on the grass to avoid a crash at 110 mph. Have a look at 6:25. https://picasaweb.google.com/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 After the race I spoke to him but his answer was: "What, did I brake? If I brake then only if I'm too fast for a corner." Same excuse this time....he said that the incident was my fault and I should excuse to him as I have damaged his car and pushed him. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Larry Young Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juni 2011 23:31 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL I seem to remember a previous video with that TR3 where he was driving dirty. Not what you would expect in vintage racing and especially not from a fellow TR guy. On 6/7/2011 1:17 AM, MadMarx wrote: > Hi Nick, > > > > I have a G-force readout and speed too of my car. > > The yellow TR3 and me had lap by lap a cornering speed of 49-50 mph. > > I hit that car at a speed of 46 mph. So he was much slower at that moment, > when he drove into my line. > > Thats all what I can tell you from my computer datas. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > Von: malaboge at aol.com [mailto:malaboge at aol.com] > Gesendet: Montag, 6. Juni 2011 22:06 > An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL > > > > Chris, > > > > Looks to me as though you had the TR3 really worried. He was taking some > weird lines to try to keep you behind him! I believe his last ditch trick > worked pretty well...he seemed to make you tap him on purpose to get you a > little ruffled, and it seemed to work as you weren't all over him and he > could take a breather. I know none of us would do such a thing, but I think > I read it in a book that "some" drivers have been known to do exactly what > he did...just sayin > > > > No I didn't...and you can't prove it... > > Nick in Nor Cal > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MadMarx > To: 'FOT' > Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 7:31 am > Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL > > This is from race two. > My first car to car contact at my race career. > > I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From emanteno at comcast.net Tue Jun 7 22:24:04 2011 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 23:24:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? In-Reply-To: References: <8CDF35D970C8C00-1058-AEEB@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:10 PM, John Nikas wrote: > Sorry all for the delay. Awesome event with a large turnout. VIPS are all > overall the place both TR and non. Ferraris, Birdcage Masers and Astons > abound with Can-Am and F1 here too. Tons of good Triumph club folk visiting > with great event swag and gourmet lunch buffet. We miss you all and will > update when possible. Ellie and Hardy Prentice are here with the National Champion TR3 on display. National Champion Sam Halkias is also here, spectating. We had great racing weather today, 60's, mostly sunny, low humidity. For those who like me have never been to Laguna Seca, YOU MUST GET HERE. This place rocks. Some additional tidbits - Tony Garmey continues to amaze in the TR250K. A great car, driven greatly. Mordy Dunst in his TR4 rocket sled is truly dialed in. Paul Smock and the E ticket boys replaced the engine in his TR4 after Paul's crank broke at Buttonwillow. Tony Drews has the biggest smile on his face when he came in after his first session. All of the drivers here for the first time are getting faster and faster, and are really enjoying themselves. John Nikas arranged dinner for all of the FOT plus their families and crew this evening. No one left hungry or thirsty. There have been some mechanical issues, only 1 seems terminal for this event. KAS KASTNER and PEGGY - nothing more needs to be said. I can't wait to go back tomorrow. Irv Korey From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jun 8 00:06:50 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:06:50 +0200 Subject: [Fot] How to make...... In-Reply-To: References: <8CDF35D970C8C00-1058-AEEB@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000f01cc25a2$43502fc0$c9f08f40$@com> Making this stuff in Germany is really boring compared with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWxQmsPG6hY Cheers Chris From SpiwakD at aol.com Wed Jun 8 06:29:20 2011 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:29:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem Message-ID: <39467.265fa3bd.3b20c520@aol.com> I just had all new bearings installed in my TR3 at the local shop. We misread the dipstick marks(new dipstick) and it was low by 1 1/2 qts. I do have a Accusump. I ran two sessions and then pressure dropped to 20 lbs. The rod bearings are dark-colored and spun. The center main is spun also. We didn't remove the other caps yet. The local shop is afraid to put in new bearings because they might have missed something the last time. The crank had been ground and checked for trueness. I hate to take it to an engine builder because I won't see it for six months. I only got a half hour before bearing failure. Does anyone have any thoughts as to what to look for? From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed Jun 8 07:23:50 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:23:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem In-Reply-To: <39467.265fa3bd.3b20c520@aol.com> References: <39467.265fa3bd.3b20c520@aol.com> Message-ID: If they spun then they took metal off the journal. The heat indicates that it was going on for too long, but it all depends on how much metal was relieved. They are likely going to spin again right away. The crank has to come out. I've replaced a spun bearing at the track trying to save weekend and it spun again almost immediately. YMMV. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:29 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem I just had all new bearings installed in my TR3 at the local shop. We misread the dipstick marks(new dipstick) and it was low by 1 1/2 qts. I do have a Accusump. I ran two sessions and then pressure dropped to 20 lbs. The rod bearings are dark-colored and spun. The center main is spun also. We didn't remove the other caps yet. The local shop is afraid to put in new bearings because they might have missed something the last time. The crank had been ground and checked for trueness. I hate to take it to an engine builder because I won't see it for six months. I only got a half hour before bearing failure. Does anyone have any thoughts as to what to look for? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 08:20:12 2011 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 07:20:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? In-Reply-To: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net> References: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com> I'm a Did not show (DNF?) I was planning to be a spectator and got sidelined at the AZ/CA border with a bad alternator and dead battery in the TR3. My hope is to get back on the road about 10AM Wed morning with a newly rebuilt alternator. :( I was looking forward to the races. If there is any way to snag and extra poster please let me know what I need to do to get one. Teriann From gasket.works at gte.net Wed Jun 8 08:28:46 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:28:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? Message-ID: <164541539-1307543327-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-872392864-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Track temp @ 0700 is 51d. Overcast. Air density 96%. Mildly humid. Yesterday fot group... Had a spectacular day despite minor to major mechanicals. Thanks to HMSA / Cris Vandagrif Mazda Raceway for giving us premier pitting area in front of some enormously expensive and rare race cars. Laguna Seca must be one the best venues for drivers anywhere. I can think of other fabulous tracks but, the elevation changes and the large paddock area is hard to beat. Harder for spectators but, there are some super places for viewing. Turns. Midday sun and blue sky with scattered white clouds added to fast race times. I like this track and would come back in a heartbeat. HMSA has given the fot contingent more track time in one day than most weekends combined as well as Lunches provided daily. The kcup group put on a burger bash last night. Perhaps for 80+ people. Cocktail flag up. All the fixings included plus a super desert. Non stop music and festivities. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Jun 8 09:29:17 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 15:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem In-Reply-To: <270442075.972759.1307546643489.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <916611506.973067.1307546957122.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Bearing clearances and oil weight are a couple you can check. Check the remaining main clearances. Some builders use .003 on the rods and mains. Greg Solow uses .0025 - .00275. Do you know what your clearances were ? And what weight oil were you running. I was reading up on different oils and went to the Joe Gibbs site and found some interesting bits. This is the first time I have seen different oil weights matched to bearing clearances. If interested here's the link and some text I cut & pasted from the site. http://www.joegibbsdriven.com/products/syntheticracingoil/xp2.html XP-1 Viscosity typical of SAE 5W-20. V8 engines with clearances under .0025 XP-2 Viscosity typical of SAE 0W-20. Restricted air intake engines and engines with clearances under .0020 XP-3 Viscosity typical of SAE 10W-30. Engines with clearances under .0027 XP-7 Viscosity typical of SAE 10W-40. Designed for clearances under .0030 Jim G ----- Original Message ----- From: SpiwakD at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2011 6:29:20 AM Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem I just had all new bearings installed in my B TR3 at the local shop. We misread the dipstick marks(new B dipstick) and it was low by 1 1/2 qts. I do have a Accusump. I ran two sessions B and then pressure dropped to 20 lbs. The rod bearings are dark-colored and spun. B The center main is spun also. We didn't remove the other caps yet. B The local shop is afraid to put in new bearings because they might have B missed something the last time. The crank had been ground and checked for B trueness. I hate to take it to an engine builder because I won't see it for B six months. I only got a half hour before bearing failure. B Does anyone have any thoughts as to what to look B for? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jun 8 10:08:27 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 12:08:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? In-Reply-To: <4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com> References: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net> <4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CDF40D6FB6B699-34C-160B6@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com> i have posters.....hope alternator works out. joe -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:20 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? I'm a Did not show (DNF?) I was planning to be a spectator and got sidelined at the AZ/CA border with a bad alternator and dead battery in the TR3. My hope is to get back on the road about 10AM Wed morning with a newly rebuilt alternator. :( I was looking forward to the races. If there is any way to snag and extra poster please let me know what I need to do to get one. Teriann _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jun 8 11:00:23 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:00:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] Turner racer looking for help... Message-ID: <33210.fdb5c3d.3b2104a7@aol.com> Amici... A fellow SVRA/VSCDA racer name John Ruth contacted me looking for help with fasteners for TRIUMPH wire wheel adapters. I have zero knowledge concerning wire wheels for TRIUMPHs. Can anyone help him? His request appears below, including his email address (and in the Copy to; box as well). Thanks. Bill Dentinger <<<-Hello Bill Hoping you can help - I have a Turner Mk III that uses a lot of Triumph parts - one part I am trying to get confirmation on is the nuts that hold the knock-off adapter onto the hub. My Turner has special hex nuts that have a conical seat (or bottom ) - the Turners were made with all kinds of other companies components - though I suspect the nuts in question were sourced from Triumph. As mentioned, the Hex nuts are special ones that have a conical bottom to seat onto the hub (after the nut is tightened onto the stud and bears against the hub). I know you race a TR3 and hope you can confirm the type (design) of the special nuts to attach the knock-off extension to the hub. I need to get hold of some new nuts - since 4 of mine parted company with the car! John Ruth (jdruth at att.net) ->>> From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jun 8 11:47:51 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:47:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Turner racer looking for help... In-Reply-To: <33210.fdb5c3d.3b2104a7@aol.com> References: <33210.fdb5c3d.3b2104a7@aol.com> Message-ID: I think The hub nuts he is looking for are on the bottom of this page they should fit all the triumph Hubs they are 7/16. http://www.wirewheelsource.com/JagTriumphHubs.html. hope this helps. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > Amici... > > A fellow SVRA/VSCDA racer name John Ruth contacted me looking for help with > fasteners for TRIUMPH wire wheel adapters. I have zero knowledge > concerning wire wheels for TRIUMPHs. Can anyone help him? His request > appears > below, including his email address (and in the Copy to; box as well). > Thanks. > Bill Dentinger > > <<<-Hello Bill > > Hoping you can help - I have a Turner Mk III that uses a lot of Triumph > parts - one part I am trying to get confirmation on is the nuts that hold > the > knock-off adapter onto the hub. My Turner has special hex nuts that have > a > conical seat (or bottom ) - the Turners were made with all kinds of other > companies components - though I suspect the nuts in question were sourced > from Triumph. As mentioned, the Hex nuts are special ones that have a > conical > bottom to seat onto the hub (after the nut is tightened onto the stud and > bears against the hub). I know you race a TR3 and hope you can confirm the > type (design) of the special nuts to attach the knock-off extension to the > hub. I need to get hold of some new nuts - since 4 of mine parted company > with > the car! John Ruth (jdruth at att.net) ->>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Jun 8 11:52:03 2011 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (jerryvv at roadrunner.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:52:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Turner racer looking for help... In-Reply-To: <33210.fdb5c3d.3b2104a7@aol.com> Message-ID: <20110608175203.FXSYP.231796.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> I would contact The Roadster Factory. Question is are they Big TR size or Spitfire? Maybe the same, don't know that to be true or false. May well be the same as used on MG and AH big and small. I think they will be farly common among the British wire wheel cars using that same adapter. Or call Scott Harper at Team Triumph 330-392-7176 who may well have used nuts if you can identify the thread size. JVV ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > A fellow SVRA/VSCDA racer name John Ruth contacted me looking for help with > fasteners for TRIUMPH wire wheel adapters. I have zero knowledge > concerning wire wheels for TRIUMPHs. Can anyone help him? His request appears > below, including his email address (and in the Copy to; box as well). Thanks. > Bill Dentinger > > <<<-Hello Bill > > Hoping you can help - I have a Turner Mk III that uses a lot of Triumph > parts - one part I am trying to get confirmation on is the nuts that hold the > knock-off adapter onto the hub. My Turner has special hex nuts that have a > conical seat (or bottom ) - the Turners were made with all kinds of other > companies components - though I suspect the nuts in question were sourced > from Triumph. As mentioned, the Hex nuts are special ones that have a conical > bottom to seat onto the hub (after the nut is tightened onto the stud and > bears against the hub). I know you race a TR3 and hope you can confirm the > type (design) of the special nuts to attach the knock-off extension to the > hub. I need to get hold of some new nuts - since 4 of mine parted company with > the car! John Ruth (jdruth at att.net) ->>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jun 8 12:16:42 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 20:16:42 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem In-Reply-To: <39467.265fa3bd.3b20c520@aol.com> References: <39467.265fa3bd.3b20c520@aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01cc2608$38e000e0$aaa002a0$@com> Could it be oil starving? At my engine I run tight rod clearance (0.00118) and lose main bearing clearance (0.0027-0.003) because of crank flexing. I use 10w60 oil. Pressure at 70 psi. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von SpiwakD at aol.com Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. Juni 2011 14:29 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Bearing problem I just had all new bearings installed in my TR3 at the local shop. We misread the dipstick marks(new dipstick) and it was low by 1 1/2 qts. I do have a Accusump. I ran two sessions and then pressure dropped to 20 lbs. The rod bearings are dark-colored and spun. The center main is spun also. We didn't remove the other caps yet. The local shop is afraid to put in new bearings because they might have missed something the last time. The crank had been ground and checked for trueness. I hate to take it to an engine builder because I won't see it for six months. I only got a half hour before bearing failure. Does anyone have any thoughts as to what to look for? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 13:02:46 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:02:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? In-Reply-To: <8CDF40D6FB6B699-34C-160B6@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com> References: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net> <4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com> <8CDF40D6FB6B699-34C-160B6@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Wow! Every triumph race and street car is being staged for a group photo on the corkscrew at lunch with Kas in front. Epic. On Jun 8, 2011 9:35 AM, wrote: > i have posters.....hope alternator works out. > > joe > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:20 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? > > > I'm a Did not show (DNF?) I was planning to be a spectator and got sidelined > at the AZ/CA border with a bad alternator and dead battery in the TR3. My > hope is to get back on the road about 10AM Wed morning with a newly rebuilt > alternator. :( > > I was looking forward to the races. If there is any way to snag and extra > poster please let me know what I need to do to get one. > > Teriann > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jun 8 13:29:49 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:29:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Windsheild Protector Message-ID: Greetings, I'm noticing alot of nics and chips in the original style glass windshield of my GT6 race car. I was wondering if there is some type of coating or film that can be used to prevent this? Has anyone tried something like this or know of a place that can provide this for a tiny car? I've seen things on line things for NASCAR type tear offs...but am thinking of something that might be used for a longer period of time and not multi-layer or tinted. Thanks in advance. Jason Ostrowski Friendly ghost racing From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Jun 8 13:35:34 2011 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:35:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca grid In-Reply-To: References: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net> <4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com> <8CDF40D6FB6B699-34C-160B6@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <96BCF325-6B27-4497-A8D7-54E21C090C66@earthlink.net> Any chance we could get the grid positions for The Race? Top ten maybe? Have a good, safe race all. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jun 8, 2011, at 1:02 PM, John Nikas wrote: > Wow! Every triumph race and street car is being staged for a group > photo on > the corkscrew at lunch with Kas in front. Epic. > On Jun 8, 2011 9:35 AM, wrote: >> i have posters.....hope alternator works out. >> >> joe >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:20 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? >> >> >> I'm a Did not show (DNF?) I was planning to be a spectator and got > sidelined >> at the AZ/CA border with a bad alternator and dead battery in the >> TR3. My >> hope is to get back on the road about 10AM Wed morning with a newly > rebuilt >> alternator. :( >> >> I was looking forward to the races. If there is any way to snag >> and extra >> poster please let me know what I need to do to get one. >> >> Teriann >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Jun 8 14:07:15 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 16:07:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Time to order FLAGS Message-ID: Amici, Time to start ordering. Details 2x3foot size Logo is about 16 inches high 2 grommets Indoor outdoor use Material is great quality I have a proof picture if your interested in seeing it. I made the decision to go single sided. This means the words will be reversed on the back. Price is $15 each. Shipping is included. Deadline to order is august 8, 2011. I will place the order then and they should be sent out to you by mid September. Payments to paypal (SeaCubeCo at aol.com) or check to Chris Bock 3630 Italia Ave Vineland, NJ 08361 Chris From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 15:23:56 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:23:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca grid In-Reply-To: <96BCF325-6B27-4497-A8D7-54E21C090C66@earthlink.net> References: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net> <4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com> <8CDF40D6FB6B699-34C-160B6@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com> <96BCF325-6B27-4497-A8D7-54E21C090C66@earthlink.net> Message-ID: The Kastner Cup went off with the first six of Drews in his 4, Solow in a Morgan , Mitchel in his 6, Barker and his Herald and Doug Sallen in a Morgan. Tony Garmey in the 250K and Mordy started last. By the second lap Garmey had the lead for good with Solow in 2d. Mordy had 3d by the 4th lap and kept it. Charlie pulled into 5th behind Drews who got clipped at the checkered flag by Bill Hart's hard charging Devin. Jerry Barker took 4th in the Herald and received the Cup from Kas who said this was the most competitive cup ever. More news to follow. On Jun 8, 2011 12:35 PM, "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" wrote: > Any chance we could get the grid positions for The Race? Top ten maybe? > Have a good, safe race all. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Jun 8, 2011, at 1:02 PM, John Nikas wrote: > >> Wow! Every triumph race and street car is being staged for a group >> photo on >> the corkscrew at lunch with Kas in front. Epic. >> On Jun 8, 2011 9:35 AM, wrote: >>> i have posters.....hope alternator works out. >>> >>> joe >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:20 am >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? >>> >>> >>> I'm a Did not show (DNF?) I was planning to be a spectator and got >> sidelined >>> at the AZ/CA border with a bad alternator and dead battery in the >>> TR3. My >>> hope is to get back on the road about 10AM Wed morning with a newly >> rebuilt >>> alternator. :( >>> >>> I was looking forward to the races. If there is any way to snag >>> and extra >>> poster please let me know what I need to do to get one. >>> >>> Teriann >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> lunkercars at earthlink.net From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Jun 8 16:43:50 2011 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 16:43:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kas Cup '11 Message-ID: <31E856CE-5328-4C7B-9718-8C626A4D9832@earthlink.net> Congrats Jerry, That's one fast Herald! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From stutzmans at comcast.net Wed Jun 8 17:18:12 2011 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 19:18:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Turner racer looking for help... In-Reply-To: <33210.fdb5c3d.3b2104a7@aol.com> References: <33210.fdb5c3d.3b2104a7@aol.com> Message-ID: <8979A53B169B463ABADA2D8394EFD222@ComputerPC> >From his description they are the same ones used on TR2-6. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 1:00 PM Subject: [Fot] Turner racer looking for help... > Amici... > > A fellow SVRA/VSCDA racer name John Ruth contacted me looking for help > with > fasteners for TRIUMPH wire wheel adapters. I have zero knowledge > concerning wire wheels for TRIUMPHs. Can anyone help him? His request > appears > below, including his email address (and in the Copy to; box as well). > Thanks. > Bill Dentinger > > <<<-Hello Bill > > Hoping you can help - I have a Turner Mk III that uses a lot of Triumph > parts - one part I am trying to get confirmation on is the nuts that hold > the > knock-off adapter onto the hub. My Turner has special hex nuts that have > a > conical seat (or bottom ) - the Turners were made with all kinds of other > companies components - though I suspect the nuts in question were sourced > from Triumph. As mentioned, the Hex nuts are special ones that have a > conical > bottom to seat onto the hub (after the nut is tightened onto the stud and > bears against the hub). I know you race a TR3 and hope you can confirm > the > type (design) of the special nuts to attach the knock-off extension to the > hub. I need to get hold of some new nuts - since 4 of mine parted company > with > the car! John Ruth (jdruth at att.net) ->>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Wed Jun 8 17:58:47 2011 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 23:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Chip Collinwood Message-ID: <875333361.1445360.1307577527523.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Does anyone have contact info for Chip his restoration shop is in Va.B thanksB B rob From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 21:11:19 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 20:11:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas Cup '11 In-Reply-To: <31E856CE-5328-4C7B-9718-8C626A4D9832@earthlink.net> References: <31E856CE-5328-4C7B-9718-8C626A4D9832@earthlink.net> Message-ID: We really missed all those that couldn't attend this year's event. We had three races with 3 separate trophy presentations and 2 practice sessions and 2 qualifying sessions. Gourmet lunch was provided each day and we had a giant BBQ last night. The racing was more competitive than any prior cup race according to most and the photo with all the cars staged on the corkscrew was a once in a lifetime experience. So many people flew or drove out that we couldn't name them all. It was absolutely wonderful. Thanks to all who made it possible and congratulations to 2011 winner Jerry Barker (former SCCA national champion in a Spitty)! On Jun 8, 2011 4:08 PM, "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" wrote: > Congrats Jerry, > That's one fast Herald! > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From herald948 at aol.com Wed Jun 8 21:21:16 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 23:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca grid In-Reply-To: References: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net><4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com><8CDF40D6FB6B699-34C-160B6@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com><96BCF325-6B27-4497-A8D7-54E21C090C66@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CDF46B6CD1B273-1EB8-412D@webmail-d011.sysops.aol.com> Yeah! Go Heralds...and go Jerry; congratulations! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: John Nikas ...Jerry Barker took 4th in the Herald and received the Cup from Kas who said this was the most competitive cup ever. From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jun 8 22:24:20 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 23:24:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kup 2011 report Message-ID: <20110608232420.uu0qydceisc4c8wk@www.tonydrews.com> Kas Kup 2011 report Drove from Illinois to Buttonwillow CA, made it ahead of time. Beautiful drive! Track was open Friday for test day so got set up in plenty of time. Had the privilege of attending the VARA rookie meeting (2 hours) and wearing rookie stripes on my car for that event. Much fun was had by all. In the Sunday race, all of the white Triumphs were parked by the side of the track. Jerry Barker killed a tranny, Paul Smock broke a (billet crower) crank, and John Frymark ran out of gas. John's was the preferable failure. I was the 2nd TR in the finishing order, I think. Ok track, but I wouldn't go a great distance to drive it again. Stayed overnight in Buttonwillow, drove up to Laguna Seca on Monday. Gorgeous drive. Got to Laguna Seca around 3 pm, and found Jerry changing trannys and they had just finished pulling Paul's engine - lashed to two boards with people lifting (!). I missed the pull by 3 minutes. Darn. :) We were let in and were given primo front row paddock positions. Paul's car was started with new motor with an hour to spare for the morning practice. THAT's not being beaten by equipment! Very impressive. Went out for practice Tuesday morning, and those couple of hundred laps of Laguna on the various game consoles paid off. I knew the layout, just needed to figure out the speeds. WHAT A TRACK!!!! Wow. Had a couple of races later Tuesday. I did pretty well, top 5ish. The 250K, Mordy's bionic TR-4, Greg Solow's bionic Morgan, Jerry Barker's bionic Herald and eventually Bill Hart and his very nice TR Devin were my main competition. All were very well driven. Greg broke a clutch and took the car home for repair. Jerry put in another tranny or two. Wednesday, the first race had me gridded 3rd, but numbers 1 and 2 were no-shows putting me on the pole. I had a great dice with Bill Hart, going side by side through turns 2 and 3 and pulled out a bit of a gap. After several laps, we got a full course caution with pace car due to a car stopped in an impact zone. Bill Hart and Greg Solow were the two cars behind me and I knew I was sunk. Thankfully, we ended under caution and I won. Yeah! The 2nd race was the Kastner Cup race and everyone was there in full force. I was gridded on the pole (!). John gave a nice writeup of the race. It was a great battle. I held off Bill Hart until nearly the end - missed a shift on the last run to the checkered flag. Only shift I missed all weekend. It let him by me by half a car length at the finish. It was a great drive by Bill. I think that put me in 6th. We had a fantastic time playing with each other all weekend. The 3rd race was the "trophy" race. Again, I started on the pole. I was passed by Greg Solow immediately, but he was having grip issues and I passed him back in turn 3. I pulled out a bit of a gap, but he eventually found grip in his tires and drove back by me. Bill Hart finally became one with the track and blew by me, and had a great dice with Greg. Eventually I saw a red car looming in my mirror and assumed it was Mordy. Upon further inspection it was Charlie Mitchell. I held him off for a while, but he eventually got by me. That's the way we finished: Greg, Bill, Charlie and me. The hospitality was great, I'm sore but happy (almost too much track time), and I need a new left rear tire, because I wore it out. The weather for both events was fantastic. The Triumph racers group is the best, I felt very welcome. John Nikas did a fantastic job pulling this together. We had very nice posters and shirts. Laguna Seca rocks. It is one of the top drivers tracks - right up there with Mosport and VIR. I still had things to learn about it, and look forward to trying to learn those another day. Tony Drews From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jun 9 08:16:03 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:16:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Question Message-ID: Looking at the rubber hoses and associated hose clamps in the engine compartment of the Spitty, thinking there has to be a better/safer way. I think the way to go would be SS braided line and AN fittings. Question is, how would you tie into the fuel tubes sticking out of the 1-1/4 S.U.'s? Any advice out there? Thanks, Marty From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu Jun 9 08:46:50 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:46:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] K-Cup winner Message-ID: Congrats to winning the race. I am sorry that I couldn't get out there. Maybe next year I can. A thought I had was if Greg (the winner) doesn't have a grill badge and/or a flag he should be awarded his choice. Since I did the grill badge and am working on the flag I figured I would offer it. What's the thought about it out there? Are the photos hitting the web soon? I can't wait to see them I love this group! From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu Jun 9 08:49:32 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:49:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can use the SS braided lines with hose clamps. There is a cover to mostly hide the hose clamps. I am not sure how to adapt AN fitting to the S.U. Chris On Jun 9, 2011, at 10:16 AM, marty sukey wrote: > Looking at the rubber hoses and associated hose clamps in the engine > compartment of the Spitty, thinking there has to be a better/safer way. I > think the way to go would be SS braided line and AN fittings. Question is, > how would you tie into the fuel tubes sticking out of the 1-1/4 S.U.'s? Any > advice out there? > > Thanks, > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From malaboge at aol.com Thu Jun 9 09:36:01 2011 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 11:36:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDF4D2123299D9-1EFC-7C172@webmail-d169.sysops.aol.com> Marty, The tubes in the float bowl tops are pressed in...and yes I have seen them come adrift!. Take a pair-o-pliers and wiggle them out (no sweat if they break off anyway). Carefully drill and tap the openings for 1/8" pipe. Order up a coupla 1/8" to AN4 fittings and Bob's your uncle. When drilling be sure to go deep enuf to get max threading, then apply something like permatex no1 to the threads and screw them in just past snug...too deep and you'll split the aluminum over the top of the fitting. I zip tie the ss hose to the air horns so that there is no weight on the fittings from the weight of the hose...prolly overkill, but ya never know. Just keepin that gas flowin in Nor Cal... Nick ps wish I coulda been there with you all...was entered but broke it at ThunderHill just prior (was supposed to be my shakedown race) and haven't had the time to delve into it yet... -----Original Message----- From: marty sukey To: FOT Sent: Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:16 am Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Question Looking at the rubber hoses and associated hose clamps in the engine ompartment of the Spitty, thinking there has to be a better/safer way. I hink the way to go would be SS braided line and AN fittings. Question is, ow would you tie into the fuel tubes sticking out of the 1-1/4 S.U.'s? Any dvice out there? Thanks, arty ______________________________________________ From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net Thu Jun 9 10:27:31 2011 From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 09:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos Message-ID: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> All, I was in the passenger seat of the pace car for one of the races, shooting pictures blindly over my shoulder out the back window. This wasn't exactly easy coming down out of the corkscrew! Hope you enjoy these photos. http://www.flickr.com/photos/14001317 at N02/sets/72157626922991656/ Cheers, Tim Pettenati From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu Jun 9 13:13:25 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:13:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> I love those pics. Anyone out there have more? How about done in car videos? On Jun 9, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Tim Pettenati <1964spitfire at pacbell.net> wrote: > All, > > I was in the passenger seat of the pace car for one of the races, shooting > pictures blindly over my shoulder out the back window. This wasn't exactly easy > coming down out of the corkscrew! Hope you enjoy these photos. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/14001317 at N02/sets/72157626922991656/ > > Cheers, > Tim Pettenati > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 13:50:09 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:50:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> References: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately, Dennis and Joan, Henry and Irv, Joe and Sean et al are all still traveling. As soon as everyone gets back I'm sure we'll have photos and video galore. On Jun 9, 2011 12:43 PM, "Christopher Bock" wrote: > I love those pics. Anyone out there have more? How about done in car videos? > > > On Jun 9, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Tim Pettenati <1964spitfire at pacbell.net> wrote: > >> All, >> >> I was in the passenger seat of the pace car for one of the races, shooting >> pictures blindly over my shoulder out the back window. This wasn't exactly > easy >> coming down out of the corkscrew! Hope you enjoy these photos. >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14001317 at N02/sets/72157626922991656/ >> >> Cheers, >> Tim Pettenati >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From emanteno at comcast.net Thu Jun 9 14:46:26 2011 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:46:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: References: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:50 PM, John Nikas wrote: > Unfortunately, Dennis and Joan, Henry and Irv, Joe and Sean et al are all > still traveling. As soon as everyone gets back I'm sure we'll have photos > and video galore. > Tony has some in car video, he hasn't had a chance to view it yet to see if it came out okay. He should be home Sunday. I have some pics, but I don't have a website to post them. Awesome, awesome event. Well done, John Nikas. Irv From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 15:06:48 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:06:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: References: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks Irv but gratitude belongs to the Kcup committee of Paul Smock who handled entries, Mordy who fed us, John Frymark who arranged great lodging, Steve Belfer who designed posters, ads and tech stickers and Casey Annis who gave us free pub in Vintage Racecar Journal. It truly takes a village to put on an event like this. On Jun 9, 2011 1:46 PM, "Irv Korey" wrote: > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:50 PM, John Nikas wrote: > >> Unfortunately, Dennis and Joan, Henry and Irv, Joe and Sean et al are all >> still traveling. As soon as everyone gets back I'm sure we'll have photos >> and video galore. >> > > Tony has some in car video, he hasn't had a chance to view it yet to see if > it came out okay. He should be home Sunday. > > I have some pics, but I don't have a website to post them. > > Awesome, awesome event. Well done, John Nikas. > > Irv From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Jun 9 15:20:25 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 21:20:25 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos Message-ID: <202489562-1307654426-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-418799649-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> We have vids .....just have to wait to get them on the weeb. ------Original Message------ From: Christopher Bock Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: Tim Pettenati Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos Sent: Jun 9, 2011 12:13 PM I love those pics. Anyone out there have more? How about done in car videos? On Jun 9, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Tim Pettenati <1964spitfire at pacbell.net> wrote: > All, > > I was in the passenger seat of the pace car for one of the races, shooting > pictures blindly over my shoulder out the back window. This wasn't exactly easy > coming down out of the corkscrew! Hope you enjoy these photos. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/14001317 at N02/sets/72157626922991656/ > > Cheers, > Tim Pettenati > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 15:14:32 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:14:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Swag Message-ID: We have approximately 50 short sleeve T-shirts in various sizes and about 24 long sleeve T-shirts. They look absolutely awesome. We also have a limited number of posters left courtesy of VTR which is IMHO the nicest one ever. It features a list of famous race car drivers who drove Triumphs and depicts a 63 Sebring car racing through the Florida night. The image was printed in Art History in Vintage Racecar and was specially commissioned for this event. It is really impressive and suitable for framing with names like Adamowicz, Hill, Newman, Johns, Rothschild, Halkias, McQueen, Elford et al. Shirts are $20. Orders go through Joe Alexander. From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Jun 9 15:57:38 2011 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 21:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Message-ID: <140547496.1966180.1307656658406.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Event report and photos submitted to Classic Motorsports magazine today which should appear in a future issue. Gary From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Thu Jun 9 17:34:37 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:34:37 EDT Subject: [Fot] Alternator Refit Message-ID: I received my Bosch alternator today and while it looks like it will mount up ok I don't know where to put the wires. Anyone BTDT? Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Thu Jun 9 18:11:27 2011 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:11:27 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Message-ID: <0F4E4914F13445F789AE128C35BF18F6@GEOFFPC> Amici We Triumph enthusiasts in Aus are keen followers of the Kastner Cup races and as Editor of the TSOA NSW magazine TREAD I try to get some info and pix for a article in the mag each year. So if anyone can send me a list of competitors and their cars together with the results and any other details with a pix or two it would be most appreciated and get you guys some "international profile!!" Our own All Triumph race is coming up on June 26 at Wakefield Park Goulburn NSW where we expect to have a record grid of 28 Triumphs. Just like you guys cars come from all over Australia for this annual event Regards Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down under From triosan at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 18:35:45 2011 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 17:35:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <0F4E4914F13445F789AE128C35BF18F6@GEOFFPC> References: <0F4E4914F13445F789AE128C35BF18F6@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: That is cool Geoff. We need to get your pics where we can see them also! The actual race was won by Tony Garmey in the TR250K -- ran away from the field and won by over 30 seconds. Tony Drews claims he missed a shift coming out of the last corner and that allowed Bill Hart in the Devin Triumph to overrcome him for 4th place. Greg Solow in his Mogan proved strong enough to keep Modrdy Dunst an his hot TR4 fromever takingover 2nd. That was a great battle the entire race -- and since Garmey was so far ahead it w3as like for first. By the way, Bill Hart [and the Garmey prepared Devin] have gotten much better and faster. He slowly but surely overcame over a 300 yard lead by Drews so as to be in position to overtake right at the finish line. Charley Nitchell in his TR6 and Jim Frymark in his TR4 had a great battle the entire race -- lots of side by side. Charly told ne he pulled off a pass on about lap 5 of the about 10 lap race entering the corkscrew! Really fun, sure hope to be init next year from the road instead of the fence. Chuck Arnold [who watched, but had no camera or car for this years K cup.] On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: > Amici > We Triumph enthusiasts in Aus are keen followers of the Kastner Cup races > and > as Editor of the TSOA NSW magazine TREAD I try to get some info and pix for > a > article in the mag each year. So if anyone can send me a list of > competitors > and their cars together with the results and any other details with a pix > or > two it would be most appreciated and get you guys some "international > profile!!" > Our own All Triumph race is coming up on June 26 at Wakefield Park Goulburn > NSW where we expect to have a record grid of 28 Triumphs. Just like you > guys > cars come from all over Australia for this annual event > Regards > Geoff Byrne > TR6 Racer Down under > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jun 9 19:10:25 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 21:10:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Alternator Refit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not sure if I have the same "Bosch" alternator as you. Mine has a Bosch sticker on it and a number above a bar code 14824, but it also has ND stamped into the center of the rear cover (Nippon Denso). In any case, its a small 50-55 amp unit I got at Pep Boys. If you google "worldwide alternator 14824" it will take you to an Advance Auto Parts website with a photo of the rear of this alternator, showing the connections. from 5 minutes on the web, it looks like there have been many variations made and sold by ND and Bosch. The threaded stud terminal is wired directly to the battery on my car with a 4 gauge wire, though it should be wired through the kill switch, and there is a three spade connection designed for a plug connector. You only need to connect a wire to one of those from your ignition/power switch. If you think of the spade (male) connectors as forming a "U", with two parallel to each other and one at right angles at the bottom of the U, the ignition switch wire should go to the right hand side of the U. I can send you a photo, but if this set-up matches yours all should be clear. I think the other connectors are for an idiot light and I'm not sure what else. On Jun 9, 2011, at 7:34 PM, TRDOCTOR at aol.com wrote: I received my Bosch alternator today and while it looks like it will mount up ok I don't know where to put the wires. Anyone BTDT? Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From kaskas at cox.net Thu Jun 9 20:11:04 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 02:11:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The Cup race Message-ID: As usual, some folks for some reason fail to remember the parameters of the winner choosing of this cup. It is NOT necessarily the winner of the race. The race counts a lot, but it is foremost to the party that is PERFORMING OUT OF CLASS. The race only counts for about 50% of value in the total. The Mordy Dunst TR-4 at Portland, the Jerry Barker, Herald at Laguna, are samples of this. Keith Files at Topeka TR-4 with a bunch of other very very good TR-4 cars. Chuck Gee and his Spitfire at Utah. Tony Garmey at Watkins Glen TR250K, they were all way out of class with their finish. A few times the apparent obvious person to win failed to finish the race, DNF, and so did the chance of winning this cup. These are examples of my position in the choice. There are more, but be reminded of the idea. Next year at Atlanta will be open season for everyone. The another rule to remember, you are not allowed to win this cup in consecutive years, but there are now several that are outside of that time frame. Looks like an open season. Never be beaten by equipment From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 9 20:20:34 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 20:20:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Home Message-ID: <4DF17F72.5030902@bradakis.com> Made it home. It was a nice trip. Thanks to many of you. mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jun 9 20:18:51 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:18:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP LAGUNA SECA ..SPITFIRE REPORT..TUESDAY Message-ID: <7A26D01DDD6D4FC6B1449C96A9AA4CA9@Bud> Just briefly... There were 5 Spitfires.. by # JIM NORLIN..White Car #3 STAN RINNE.Black Car #5 BUD DELAUER Blue car #21 TOM TURNER..Red Car #43 STEPHAN HARE yellow Car #85 The first race on Tuesday showed very close competition all around..Stan & Jim were having a close battle til' the end..nose to bumper.. Bud & Tom had a great battle with lots of passing...Stephan was chomping at the bit as he moved up on us results STAN..JIM....BUD..TOM..STEPHAN 2nd race tuesday Stan didn't race because of an oil leak... Jim was winner..led by a bunch the whole way Tom, Stephan and Bud had a terrific race.. Bud and Tom were doing lots of passing each other while Stephan methodicaly got closer and closer as Bud and Tom were paying attention to their battle...I dove inside Tom just before the apex to turn #6...Tom held his line and I had to back off, which threw me way off of my line so I understeered to the outside of the track and a tiny bit further(the dirt)..Tom got away..I checked my mirrors, and there was Stephan..right on my ass!..Up the hill..down the hill..into #11..there he is, filling my mirrors...I'd pull away on the long straight...by the time we got back around the track that damn yellow car was again getting ready to 'eat me'..I was just waiting for the starter to give the 1 lap finger...Finally it came..That's the time in a race when all the promises we make to ourselves to not 'break the car' are cast to reckless abandon..Stephan was in my mirror that entire last lap, and gaining, gaining, gaining..turn #11..he's right on me..I out dragged him to the checkered... What a Race! I'd like to add that everyone in All of the Triumphs drove extremely well...I truly felt confident that I was racing with people whom I could trust... (i guess this wasn't such a brief report after all.(:>) Racer bud..spitfire #21 From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Thu Jun 9 20:34:08 2011 From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:34:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Triumph engine and transmission Message-ID: <38BEE8B6A1C848A88BCD006421B59E36@TER2> I am forwarding this message to the list because I thought it might be of interest to one of us. At the moment, I have enough engines and have no need for a transmission. The seller is a good guy with a very interesting Volvo powered Marcos GT. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: Denman Mike To: Solow Greg Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:34 PM Subject: Triumph engine and transmission Hi Greg, I am the guy who owns and drove the Marcos at Thunderhill a couple of weeks ago. At any rate, I have a TR3 engine and transmission that I am going to sale. I have attached pictures of the engine. I don't seem to have a picture of the transmission. I don't really know the history of these items. I bought them as "spare parts" for a TR3 I own. Using the flywheel the engine turns over easily enough. I dropped the pan and the insides are clean and the bearing caps seem to be in the right places as do the rod caps.The rocker shaft is definitely bad. The studs holes in the exhaust manifold are bad. The engine hasn't been run since it was painted Austin Healy green (overspray still in the exhaust ports)The transmission (no overdrive) seems to find all the gears but beyond that I haven't looked at the insides. I would like to get $250 for the pair which is a lot less than I paid for them. I am not interested in buy or selling "junk", therefore I will refund your money if you decide within 2 weeks that you don't want them for any reason. Let me know by email or phone if you have any interest. Tomorrow (Thursday) afternoon I plan on moving them to my aircraft hanger in San Martin to stage them with a lot of other items that i am going to advertise on Craig's list etc. so I would appreciate hearing back before then. Mike Denman 831 661-0875 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpg which had a name of 3m33pa3l35Z55P35R5b2137e0a1bfb1f415a7.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpg which had a name of 3m93pa3o85O25V55Q5b216e2d51cd838f1eda.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpg which had a name of 3nb3kc3pc5O55V45Q0b2185db7f65328c1354.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpg which had a name of 3ne3me3o65O35Q15Z1b21fc007a32aeb119d6.jpg] From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 9 21:50:20 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 21:50:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: References: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> Message-ID: <4DF1947C.2090908@bradakis.com> I'm bummed. My camera died on the trip, it would NOT turn itself on. Fresh batteries did not help. Great trip, but no photos to go with it. mjb. From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jun 9 21:58:18 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 22:58:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Message-ID: <28793.1307678298@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Back home from the haul from Monterey and regrouping and heading to Mission BC tomorow for more racing, 3 events in 9 days, Buttonwillow, Laguna Seca and VRCBC historics. Thanks to all that put on a great event in Monterey, and there were a lot of persons that made this event great. The hospitality was great, the track was great, the racing was great, the comradirie was great and most of all the FoT is great. Now I'm trying to figure how to get my car to Atlanta. Any one got any ideas how to get it down there from the Seattle area? That's about 2800 miles for me. Again, thanks to all that made this happen. And to Kas for creating this legacy. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jun 9 23:25:09 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 00:25:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos Message-ID: <29184.1307683509@mitchelplumbing.com> I have a panoramic shot of the cars in the paddock if someone would like it to post on a website with other Monterey shots for all to see. Charly Mitchel BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } On Thu 09/06/11 8:50 PM , Mark J Bradakis mark at bradakis.com sent: I'm bummed. My camera died on the trip, it would NOT turn itself on. Fresh batteries did not help. Great trip, but no photos to go with it. mjb. _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [2] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [3] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [4] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [5] Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com [6] Links: ------ [2] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [3] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 9 23:33:38 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 23:33:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: <29184.1307683509@mitchelplumbing.com> References: <29184.1307683509@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <4DF1ACB2.7060905@bradakis.com> One could put photos on the Triumph forum at http://www.team.net/forums mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jun 10 00:41:39 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 01:41:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> References: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> Message-ID: <20110610014139.om52niajusksoco0@www.tonydrews.com> I have in car video from all 3 races on Wednesday. Will take me a while to get it encoded and posted after I make it back home. There were a few go pro cameras out there, one in Mordy's car. Tony Quoting Christopher Bock : > I love those pics. Anyone out there have more? How about done in car videos? > > > On Jun 9, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Tim Pettenati <1964spitfire at pacbell.net> wrote: > >> All, >> >> I was in the passenger seat of the pace car for one of the races, shooting >> pictures blindly over my shoulder out the back window. This wasn't exactly > easy >> coming down out of the corkscrew! Hope you enjoy these photos. >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14001317 at N02/sets/72157626922991656/ >> >> Cheers, >> Tim Pettenati >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From gasket.works at gte.net Fri Jun 10 08:13:07 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:13:07 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca videeo of kcup race Message-ID: <1551862983-1307715189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-388756304-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> I purchased a go pro camera just for this event. The nearly 30 min HD video of the kcup race could be up loaded? Perhaps made less data rich and edited to make it more upload able somehow to somewhere it is 4gig. I'll figure it out. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jun 10 08:32:50 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:32:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Alternator Refit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I know this might be a bit late, but for all who may encounter this problem in the future, DB Electrical in Johnson City TN offers a 50 amp small alternator (4'' x 4.5") with mounting hole centers @5 3/8" under the name of "Denso Chevy Street Rod Race". The other nice thing is that it's a one wire alternator, even I knew how to hook this up! Only costs $74.00. Installed on my TR3A and it works like a charm and no problems with header clearance etc. They have a web cite with pics etc........ John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 9:10 PM To: TRDOCTOR at aol.com Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Alternator Refit Not sure if I have the same "Bosch" alternator as you. Mine has a Bosch sticker on it and a number above a bar code 14824, but it also has ND stamped into the center of the rear cover (Nippon Denso). In any case, its a small 50-55 amp unit I got at Pep Boys. If you google "worldwide alternator 14824" it will take you to an Advance Auto Parts website with a photo of the rear of this alternator, showing the connections. from 5 minutes on the web, it looks like there have been many variations made and sold by ND and Bosch. The threaded stud terminal is wired directly to the battery on my car with a 4 gauge wire, though it should be wired through the kill switch, and there is a three spade connection designed for a plug connector. You only need to connect a wire to one of those from your ignition/power switch. If you think of the spade (male) connectors as forming a "U", with two parallel to each other and one at right angles at the bottom of the U, the ignition switch wire should go to the right hand side of the U. I can send you a photo, but if this set-up matches yours all should be clear. I think the other connectors are for an idiot light and I'm not sure what else. On Jun 9, 2011, at 7:34 PM, TRDOCTOR at aol.com wrote: I received my Bosch alternator today and while it looks like it will mount up ok I don't know where to put the wires. Anyone BTDT? Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From andre at gt6.ca Fri Jun 10 08:47:03 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:47:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca videeo of kcup race In-Reply-To: <1551862983-1307715189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-388756304-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <1551862983-1307715189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-388756304-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Try http://vimeo.com/ A. On 10 June 2011 10:13, wrote: > I purchased a go pro camera just for this event. The nearly 30 min HD video of the kcup race could be up loaded? Perhaps made less data rich and edited to make it more upload able somehow to somewhere it is 4gig. I'll figure it out. > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From andre at gt6.ca Fri Jun 10 08:51:20 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:51:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca videeo of kcup race In-Reply-To: References: <1551862983-1307715189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-388756304-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: http://www.squared5.com/ Free software to down convert to a smaller size with limited trimming feature. A. On 10 June 2011 10:47, Andre Rousseau wrote: > Try http://vimeo.com/ > > A. > > On 10 June 2011 10:13, wrote: >> I purchased a go pro camera just for this event. The nearly 30 min HD video of the kcup race could be up loaded? Perhaps made less data rich and edited to make it more upload able somehow to somewhere it is 4gig. I'll figure it out. >> >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca >> >> >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jun 10 09:00:39 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 11:00:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca videeo of kcup race In-Reply-To: <1551862983-1307715189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-388756304-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <823CFB407EFF4D3EA594E7E06D2472B1@gdhs.local> I found that with my GoPro that you have to first convert the MP4 format to a DVD format before you can e-mail the darn things. There are cheep programs on the net that will do this..... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 10:13 AM Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Seca videeo of kcup race I purchased a go pro camera just for this event. The nearly 30 min HD video of the kcup race could be up loaded? Perhaps made less data rich and edited to make it more upload able somehow to somewhere it is 4gig. I'll figure it out. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 10 11:17:37 2011 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk farms fathers day Message-ID: <111016.22587.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone have a crew pass available for the fathers day festivities at blackhawk farms??? Thanks, Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From amacarthur3 at socal.rr.com Fri Jun 10 12:52:01 2011 From: amacarthur3 at socal.rr.com (amacarthur3 at socal.rr.com) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:52:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <20110610185202.UWOAM.146901.root@cdptpa-web13-z02> Thanks for finally getting me in the car,,, my camera was also not working so the only video I have is of my fat face before the race,,, I would have loved to show everyone the battle that was going on with Charlie and John right in front of me... oh well, next time,, Mac From ac at camoletti.ch Fri Jun 10 14:00:26 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:00:26 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Teri Ann Message-ID: <008e01cc27a9$0aa95e90$1ffc1bb0$@camoletti.ch> Maybe I missed the mail telling the end of this episode but did Teri Ann manage to Reach Laguna on time ? Cheers ! Alex Jan 59 3A From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 14:17:30 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:17:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Video sub In-Reply-To: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9DC5F9CC-811E-47F7-ADC3-DF18238EE69A@gmail.com> While we're waiting for Kas Cup video to get posted, here's a nicely done roadrunner's level view of the track (and rearview mirror) taken recently from a Mini Cooper. Duncan From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jun 10 15:08:19 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:08:19 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Results sheet Message-ID: If anyone has a result sheet from the Cup race I would greatly appreciate having a copy. Scan and send is just fine if you have the time. We had to leave right after the event and missed taking care of that business. Never be beaten by equipment From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 15:42:33 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:42:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Help in Utah Message-ID: Amici, does anyone happen to live in Park City or close thereto? From jerrybarr at charter.net Fri Jun 10 16:09:17 2011 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:09:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stuck bonnet on a TR250 Message-ID: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> A friend of my grandson has a TR250 and let the bonnet fall closed and now it is stuck closed. Does anyone have an idea how to get it open? Any help will be greatly appreciated. From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jun 10 16:34:29 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:34:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stuck bonnet on a TR250 References: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> Message-ID: <7C4043463754432A92FD584C38FB9D57@Bud> he might be able to budge it free by getting under the car and pushing up on the bonnet with a pole/stick while someone is pulling on the release handle RB. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Barr" To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 3:09 PM Subject: [Fot] Stuck bonnet on a TR250 >A friend of my grandson has a TR250 and let the bonnet fall closed and now >it > is stuck closed. Does anyone have an idea how to get it open? Any help > will be > greatly appreciated. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From jmwagner at tstonramp.com Fri Jun 10 16:38:30 2011 From: jmwagner at tstonramp.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:38:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stuck bonnet on a TR250 In-Reply-To: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> References: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> Message-ID: <00083DA6-A6F5-4601-915D-A9A89ECC38A3@tstonramp.com> This will help.... > http://www.vtr.org/maintain/stuck-bonnet.shtml From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Jun 10 16:39:51 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:39:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stuck bonnet on a TR250 In-Reply-To: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> References: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> Message-ID: <000001cc27bf$503a8130$f0af8390$@com> Is the cable to the release latch broke or does that seem to be working? If the cable seems to be working, try pushing down on the center of the hood right above the latch (the very rear of the hood). Sometimes my TR5 hood release is really tight but after a shove down on the rear of the hood and releasing the hood, the release cable will then unlatch the hood. If the cable is broken, that's another problem!!! There are procedures on the web if I recall correctly as to how to release the hood on the various Triumph's. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Barr Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 5:09 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Stuck bonnet on a TR250 A friend of my grandson has a TR250 and let the bonnet fall closed and now it is stuck closed. Does anyone have an idea how to get it open? Any help will be greatly appreciated. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri Jun 10 17:17:55 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:17:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thanks Message-ID: <4DF2A623.9030408@comcast.net> Patty and I have made it safely back home in Oregon thanks to Mordy and Paul who helped get the motorhome restarted at the end of the weekend. New battery and the long tow home was uneventful, just like you want them. Thanks also to the Spitfire racers, Racer Bud, Tom & Steve for helping get my car fixed in time to make the start of the Kastner Cup race (barely) and to Stan for showing me the way round Laguna Seca. What a great track! Finally thanks to all the organizers and folks that helped make this event great. It was good to reconnect and meet so many Triumph nuts! Jim & Patty Norlin - Spitfire 03 From jerrybarr at charter.net Fri Jun 10 18:07:13 2011 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:07:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stuck bonnet on a TR250 In-Reply-To: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> References: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> Message-ID: <7D9EE1E0-4A85-45A2-80B6-C48BC21E8AE5@charter.net> Thanks for all the help! We will check the stuck bonnet tomorrow and see what happens. I am a TR3, GT6, Spitfire guy and do not have much experience with TR4-TR250's. Now I have some idea of what I am facing to get it unstuck. On Jun 10, 2011, at 5:09 PM, Jerry Barr wrote: > A friend of my grandson has a TR250 and let the bonnet fall closed and now it > is stuck closed. Does anyone have an idea how to get it open? Any help will be > greatly appreciated. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jun 10 20:16:26 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:16:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Help in Utah In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DF2CFFA.6070009@bradakis.com> John Nikas wrote: > Amici, does anyone happen to live in Park City or close thereto? > Salt Lake City is about half an hour away. You know, I think I am the only FOT guy in Utah. mjb. From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Jun 10 21:47:42 2011 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 23:47:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Message-ID: <774AA234E1EF483EBC697B7F522EE0C8@TRIUMPH.local> OK, as it has already been said, was truly an awesome event. The guys on the west coast REALLY know how to throw a party! The on track action was spectacular, as was the activity with the wrenches in the paddock. Jerry Barker showed he is still has it, and retirement is not going to slow him down on the track. While he and his guys did a couple of gearbox swaps, he made for one hell of a show. A very deserving winner of the Kastner Cup. Congrats Jerry! Tony Garmey made the TR250K fly, as usual. Incredible car, driver, and show. Well done! Bill Hart had his TR powered Devin hauling the mail when it counted on the last sessions of the weekend. Restored my faith in rebodied TR3's for sure. That car was hooked up, and Bill made it look easy. As the only car (I think) to cross the Rockies, Tony Drews made quite a showing in his Red Rocket. Consistantly ran towards the front of the field, and even though he never turned a wheel at Laguna Seca before he did pull of a first overall in one race at the event. Rumor has he won the Rookie of the Year award at Buttonwillow over the past weekend, that's what happens when you make one of our fast guys wear a rookie stripe for an event. Hopefully somebody will figure out what's wrong with this picture! Excellent hospitality, it was great to see old friends and make some new ones. When I get some good pictures, I will post them to the fot-racing.com website. Email me what you have. Stay tuned for information on the 2012 Kastner Cup event, it is going to be big... Henry F yellow04 at tr4racer.com From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jun 10 22:45:53 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:45:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-Reply-To: <774AA234E1EF483EBC697B7F522EE0C8@TRIUMPH.local> References: <774AA234E1EF483EBC697B7F522EE0C8@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <4DF2F301.6030608@bradakis.com> It was indeed a good event. First off I made it there with no loss of life or limbs. I do have scars on my leg from the ill fated attempt to make last year's event. One can't really complain when the major impediment to getting on site was being stuck behind the Chrysler 300 club while they clogged up the entry road. I enjoyed seeing not one but TWO 1147 Spits out on track. Of course they don't command the attention of the fast guys in the trick machinery, but there's a big spot in my heart for such cars. I'd not been to Laguna Seca before, have read about it and the races there for many years. Standing on the bricks on the hill by the Corkscrew looking out over the track and the surrounding area was quite an experience. I'm glad that after I said my goodbyes in the paddock I didn't head home quite yet but went back up to the Corkscrew, eventually getting treated to some nice wine and yet another Triumph race. It was a good trip. mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jun 10 23:36:41 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 00:36:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Results sheet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110611003641.869je4vzks48wg0w@www.tonydrews.com> I found no result sheets for any of Wednesday's activities. I would love copies of results from all 3 races that day. Tony Drews Quoting Kas Kastner : > If anyone has a result sheet from the Cup race I would greatly appreciate > having a copy. Scan and send is just fine if you have the time. We had to > leave right after the event and missed taking care of that business. > > Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sat Jun 11 00:48:35 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 23:48:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Results sheet In-Reply-To: <20110611003641.869je4vzks48wg0w@www.tonydrews.com> References: <20110611003641.869je4vzks48wg0w@www.tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <4DF30FC3.5070706@comcast.net> Patty & I stopped by the registration motorhome after the last race to see if we could get final results. No one home. I heard that results will be posted on HMSA's website. I just looked, it may take a while - the last update was May 23. On 6/10/2011 10:36 PM, tony at tonydrews.com wrote: > I found no result sheets for any of Wednesday's activities. I would > love copies of results from all 3 races that day. > > Tony Drews > > Quoting Kas Kastner : > >> If anyone has a result sheet from the Cup race I would greatly >> appreciate >> having a copy. Scan and send is just fine if you have the time. We >> had to >> leave right after the event and missed taking care of that business. >> >> Never be beaten by equipment >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 11 07:00:43 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:00:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] posters and shirts for laguna seca kastner cup Message-ID: <8CDF64EB4E1E7C5-2298-3E3B@web-mmc-d10.sysops.aol.com> hold that thought....i am still traveling. the shirts were arranged by john nikas the posters were underwritten by A.R.E. and Steve Belfer. complete info on size etc will help. paypal useful. in utah, home sunday, then preparing for blackhawk classic. then put-in-bay race reunion.....time is limited. john nikas also has shirts if i dont have the right size for you. shirts are $20 posters are free shipping and packaging to be determined From gasket.works at gte.net Sat Jun 11 07:58:46 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:58:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Results sheet Message-ID: <1544503727-1307800727-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1555450099-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Hmsa will email the results to me. I will get them to Henry to put on the fot site. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sat Jun 11 08:39:24 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:39:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Results sheet Message-ID: <5008.1307803164@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } I have a couple from Wednesday but not the last race. I'm in Canada racing now, but on Monday I'll send out what I have to anyone who wants them or if there's a place I can send them for all to veiw, I'll send them there. Charly Mitcjel TR6 #44 On Fri 10/06/11 2:08 PM , Kas Kastner kaskas at cox.net sent: If anyone has a result sheet from the Cup race I would greatly appreciate having a copy. Scan and send is just fine if you have the time. We had to leave right after the event and missed taking care of that business. Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [2] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [3] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [4] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [5] Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com [6] Links: ------ [2] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [3] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sat Jun 11 13:31:00 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:31:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Low voltage miss? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D4F7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I'm currently using a distributor with a Pertronix II Ignitor in it. A couple of weekends ago at Blackhawk Farms, the engine developed a miss at 7,000 revs - wouldn't pull beyond 7,000. This is a Spitfire 1296 small-journal motor with Kas' A-10-A cam in it, so I could use some revs beyond 7,000. The battery voltage was low all day - something in the neighborhood of 12 volts. Would voltage at that level cause a Pertronix not to work properly? Seems to me that should be enough volts to make it work fine. The alternator seemed to be putting out plenty of charge, but the battery didn't seem to improve through the day. That was the first race of the year, so I've pulled the battery and given it a full charge off the charger. Will see how well that works out, but may need a new battery, too. This one's 4 years old now. If that doesn't help, I'll have to send my distributor off for testing. Anyway, just wanting to make sure my sparks are in order before I go messing with the farging carburetors... Scott From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sat Jun 11 14:52:03 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:52:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Low voltage miss? In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D4F7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D4F7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <4DF3D573.2090202@comcast.net> Scott I've got the same engine/distributor setup. However, I'm running an A-8 cam, so my power peak is around 7000 where I shift. I can and have run the engine to 7500 on a really long straight and the chassis dyno with no misfire. I do not run an alternator. The battery voltage can run as low as 11.0 if I have not charged the battery for a couple of sessions - again, no miss. I do believe your alternator/voltage regulator may be faulty. Alternator output should be 13.8 to 14.2 volts from my experience. Not sure if this helps. Jim On 6/11/2011 12:31 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > I'm currently using a distributor with a Pertronix II Ignitor in it. A > couple of weekends ago at Blackhawk Farms, the engine developed a miss > at 7,000 revs - wouldn't pull beyond 7,000. This is a Spitfire 1296 > small-journal motor with Kas' A-10-A cam in it, so I could use some revs > beyond 7,000. > > > > The battery voltage was low all day - something in the neighborhood of > 12 volts. Would voltage at that level cause a Pertronix not to work > properly? Seems to me that should be enough volts to make it work fine. > > > > The alternator seemed to be putting out plenty of charge, but the > battery didn't seem to improve through the day. That was the first race > of the year, so I've pulled the battery and given it a full charge off > the charger. Will see how well that works out, but may need a new > battery, too. This one's 4 years old now. > > > > If that doesn't help, I'll have to send my distributor off for testing. > > > > Anyway, just wanting to make sure my sparks are in order before I go > messing with the farging carburetors... > > > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Jun 11 18:35:47 2011 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 00:35:47 GMT Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem Message-ID: <20110611.203547.18046.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> I have been using the Joe Gibbs XP1 oil in my TR3 for a few years with great results. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: SpiwakD at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Bearing problem Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 15:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Bearing clearances and oil weight are a couple you can check. Check the remaining main clearances. Some builders use .003 on the rods and mains. Greg Solow uses .0025 - .00275. Do you know what your clearances were ? And what weight oil were you running. I was reading up on different oils and went to the Joe Gibbs site and found some interesting bits. This is the first time I have seen different oil weights matched to bearing clearances. If interested here's the link and some text I cut & pasted from the site. http://www.joegibbsdriven.com/products/syntheticracingoil/xp2.html XP-1 Viscosity typical of SAE 5W-20. V8 engines with clearances under .0025 XP-2 Viscosity typical of SAE 0W-20. Restricted air intake engines and engines with clearances under .0020 XP-3 Viscosity typical of SAE 10W-30. Engines with clearances under .0027 XP-7 Viscosity typical of SAE 10W-40. Designed for clearances under .0030 Jim G ----- Original Message ----- From: SpiwakD at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2011 6:29:20 AM Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem I just had all new bearings installed in my B TR3 at the local shop. We misread the dipstick marks(new B dipstick) and it was low by 1 1/2 qts. I do have a Accusump. I ran two sessions B and then pressure dropped to 20 lbs. The rod bearings are dark-colored and spun. B The center main is spun also. We didn't remove the other caps yet. B The local shop is afraid to put in new bearings because they might have B missed something the last time. The crank had been ground and checked for B trueness. I hate to take it to an engine builder because I won't see it for B six months. I only got a half hour before bearing failure. B Does anyone have any thoughts as to what to look B for? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Jun 11 18:56:25 2011 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 00:56:25 GMT Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner Message-ID: <20110611.205625.18046.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Until last year I had been using Distilled water in my cooling system and the water was always rusty when I drained the system. Last year I used tap water (city water) and when I drained it in the fall the water was clear. I have seen discussions on other racer forums not to use distilled water. With all the different metals and corrosion cells the distilled water draws ions out (I forget the exact chemistry) and thus draws iron out. Using non-distilled water with various ions in it is not as chemically active and results in less corrosion. Joe(B ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 22:48:24 -0500 I have started the disassembly of the TR3 to determine what went wrong in May at ECR. Last night after removing the radiator, I flushed it with the garden hose and found enough rust particles to cover the bottom of a jam jar. I use an aluminum radiator so my thinking right now is that these particles must be from the liners. The radiator also has a coating of oily gunk presumable from one of my head gasket failures in past race weekends. So I have two questions for the group: 1) What is a good chemical treatment for flushing oily residue from the alum radiator? 2) Who are the current sources for good quality liners? I am sure I'll have more questions once I pull and disassemble the engine. Thanks, Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4df40f1e99b993e8cb3st06duc From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Jun 11 19:00:41 2011 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Low voltage miss? In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D4F7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D4F7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CDF6B3489EA6E1-172C-70B3C@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com> Scott, I would suspect the regulator in your alternator, should show 13 - 14 volts on the meter. At the end of last season I noticed my readings at 11 - 12 volts and finally had to jump start the car to get running. I also noticed I was breaking up at the upper end of my power range ( 6800 - 7000 rpms on fast street cam ). I had the alternator tested and found to be bad so I replaced the regulator and all seems to be running well Car has 1500 engine but not built to full race specs, its being use for autocrossing. Best of Luck, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: FOT Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2011 4:06 pm Subject: [Fot] Low voltage miss? I'm currently using a distributor with a Pertronix II Ignitor in it. A ouple of weekends ago at Blackhawk Farms, the engine developed a miss t 7,000 revs - wouldn't pull beyond 7,000. This is a Spitfire 1296 mall-journal motor with Kas' A-10-A cam in it, so I could use some revs eyond 7,000. The battery voltage was low all day - something in the neighborhood of 2 volts. Would voltage at that level cause a Pertronix not to work roperly? Seems to me that should be enough volts to make it work fine. The alternator seemed to be putting out plenty of charge, but the attery didn't seem to improve through the day. That was the first race f the year, so I've pulled the battery and given it a full charge off he charger. Will see how well that works out, but may need a new attery, too. This one's 4 years old now. If that doesn't help, I'll have to send my distributor off for testing. Anyway, just wanting to make sure my sparks are in order before I go essing with the farging carburetors... Scott ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jun 11 21:44:10 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:44:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Results sheet In-Reply-To: <1544503727-1307800727-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1555450099-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <1544503727-1307800727-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1555450099-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <20110611224410.7kj1kfq3ggg4gcwo@www.tonydrews.com> I'd love to have a way to see results from all 3 races on Wednesday, not just the cup race. Tony D. Quoting gasket.works at gte.net: > Hmsa will email the results to me. I will get them to Henry to put > on the fot site. M > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From gasket.works at gte.net Sat Jun 11 23:32:58 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 05:32:58 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Results sheet Message-ID: <832852463-1307856777-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-659621409-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> I'm told by cris that the results will be email to me Monday. ------Original Message------ From: tony at tonydrews.com To: Gasket works Cc: yellow04 at tr4racer.com Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Results sheet Sent: Jun 11, 2011 8:44 PM I'd love to have a way to see results from all 3 races on Wednesday, not just the cup race. Tony D. Quoting gasket.works at gte.net: > Hmsa will email the results to me. I will get them to Henry to put > on the fot site. M > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sun Jun 12 11:10:14 2011 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 13:10:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The 2012 Kastner Cup Message-ID: <424B1125BC7C422EB77CDBAEB865499C@TRIUMPH.local> Here's the official announcement, the 2012 Kastner Cup race will take place at Road Atlanta, on April 27 -29, 2012 at the Classic Motorsports Mitty. We will be celebrating the 60th anniversary of Triumph on the racetrack, and the 50th year of Spitfire and the 10th Annual Kastner Cup. It's only fitting that Kas Kastner has been tapped to be the event's Grand Marshal. We had one heck of a party in '92 and '02, so as we hit another decade anniversary, we are pulling out the stops. This will be our second opportunity to run a Kastner Cup race at the storied Road Atlanta, a track that should be on everybody's bucket list. Back in '05, Jeff Snook had a spectacular drive from the back of the pack to win his race, and be awarded Kastner Cup. Kas already raised the gauntlet, it's open season. But you can't win the Cup if you are not there! Our good friend and fellow FOT member Tim Suddard will be our host, and his magazine Classic Motorsports is sponsoring the event, so we can rest assured this will be a Triumph-centric event! Plans are forming to have the legions of Triumph enthusiasts in attendance. Mark your calendars now, and stay tuned for more information. Every event is only as good as the volunteers that help make it happen, email me off-list if interested in lending a hand. Henry F yellow04 at tr4racer.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sun Jun 12 11:41:58 2011 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 13:41:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup race results posted Message-ID: On the fot-racing.com website! I'll get to updating the site for the event when I get some decent pictures. Anybody who would like to email me a couple of your best shots from the event for the fot-racing.com website, feel free. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sun Jun 12 16:39:59 2011 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 15:39:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Event Message-ID: <538A408A7B814A1A8B646B09A1440D31@your89d26e0447> It was great putting faces to so many names as well as seeing some of you again. I was very disappointed to miss the Bar-B-Que on Tuesday night, but duty and a broken clutch disc called. Sorry we did not have more time to visit. Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jun 12 19:42:29 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 20:42:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Teri Ann In-Reply-To: <008e01cc27a9$0aa95e90$1ffc1bb0$@camoletti.ch> References: <008e01cc27a9$0aa95e90$1ffc1bb0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <20110613014229.B9895187646@autox.team.net> No, she didn't. Tony At 03:00 PM 6/10/2011, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: >Maybe I missed the mail telling the end of this episode but did Teri Ann >manage to Reach Laguna on time ? > >Cheers ! > >Alex > >Jan 59 3A From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Jun 12 20:31:48 2011 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 21:31:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] stock fuel pump repair Message-ID: <001801cc2972$0bcebb10$236c3130$@rr.com> Street car question for you guys. Has anyone used BPNW fuel pump rebuild kit for currently selling for $14.12? Any reason to go for TRF's kit that sells for $39.94 over the BPNW kit? Thanks, Greg From pettenat at pacbell.net Thu Jun 9 10:25:42 2011 From: pettenat at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 09:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: <8CDF46B6CD1B273-1EB8-412D@webmail-d011.sysops.aol.com> References: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net><4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com><8CDF40D6FB6B699-34C-160B6@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com><96BCF325-6B27-4497-A8D7-54E21C090C66@earthlink.net> <8CDF46B6CD1B273-1EB8-412D@webmail-d011.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <110293.66329.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> All, I was in the passenger seat of the pace car for one of the races, shooting pictures blindly over my shoulder out the back window. This wasn't exactly easy coming down out of the corkscrew! Hope you enjoy these photos. http://www.flickr.com/photos/14001317 at N02/sets/72157626922991656/ Cheers, Tim Pettenati From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Thu Jun 9 00:08:39 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 02:08:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kas Kup 2011 report Message-ID: Great write up. Wish I could have been there. Sam In a message dated 6/8/2011 11:40:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tony at tonydrews.com writes: Kas Kup 2011 report Drove from Illinois to Buttonwillow CA, made it ahead of time. Beautiful drive! Track was open Friday for test day so got set up in plenty of time. Had the privilege of attending the VARA rookie meeting (2 hours) and wearing rookie stripes on my car for that event. Much fun was had by all. In the Sunday race, all of the white Triumphs were parked by the side of the track. Jerry Barker killed a tranny, Paul Smock broke a (billet crower) crank, and John Frymark ran out of gas. John's was the preferable failure. I was the 2nd TR in the finishing order, I think. Ok track, but I wouldn't go a great distance to drive it again. Stayed overnight in Buttonwillow, drove up to Laguna Seca on Monday. Gorgeous drive. Got to Laguna Seca around 3 pm, and found Jerry changing trannys and they had just finished pulling Paul's engine - lashed to two boards with people lifting (!). I missed the pull by 3 minutes. Darn. :) We were let in and were given primo front row paddock positions. Paul's car was started with new motor with an hour to spare for the morning practice. THAT's not being beaten by equipment! Very impressive. Went out for practice Tuesday morning, and those couple of hundred laps of Laguna on the various game consoles paid off. I knew the layout, just needed to figure out the speeds. WHAT A TRACK!!!! Wow. Had a couple of races later Tuesday. I did pretty well, top 5ish. The 250K, Mordy's bionic TR-4, Greg Solow's bionic Morgan, Jerry Barker's bionic Herald and eventually Bill Hart and his very nice TR Devin were my main competition. All were very well driven. Greg broke a clutch and took the car home for repair. Jerry put in another tranny or two. Wednesday, the first race had me gridded 3rd, but numbers 1 and 2 were no-shows putting me on the pole. I had a great dice with Bill Hart, going side by side through turns 2 and 3 and pulled out a bit of a gap. After several laps, we got a full course caution with pace car due to a car stopped in an impact zone. Bill Hart and Greg Solow were the two cars behind me and I knew I was sunk. Thankfully, we ended under caution and I won. Yeah! The 2nd race was the Kastner Cup race and everyone was there in full force. I was gridded on the pole (!). John gave a nice writeup of the race. It was a great battle. I held off Bill Hart until nearly the end - missed a shift on the last run to the checkered flag. Only shift I missed all weekend. It let him by me by half a car length at the finish. It was a great drive by Bill. I think that put me in 6th. We had a fantastic time playing with each other all weekend. The 3rd race was the "trophy" race. Again, I started on the pole. I was passed by Greg Solow immediately, but he was having grip issues and I passed him back in turn 3. I pulled out a bit of a gap, but he eventually found grip in his tires and drove back by me. Bill Hart finally became one with the track and blew by me, and had a great dice with Greg. Eventually I saw a red car looming in my mirror and assumed it was Mordy. Upon further inspection it was Charlie Mitchell. I held him off for a while, but he eventually got by me. That's the way we finished: Greg, Bill, Charlie and me. The hospitality was great, I'm sore but happy (almost too much track time), and I need a new left rear tire, because I wore it out. The weather for both events was fantastic. The Triumph racers group is the best, I felt very welcome. John Nikas did a fantastic job pulling this together. We had very nice posters and shirts. Laguna Seca rocks. It is one of the top drivers tracks - right up there with Mosport and VIR. I still had things to learn about it, and look forward to trying to learn those another day. Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From wredinger at cox.net Sun Jun 12 10:30:08 2011 From: wredinger at cox.net (Anne & Bill) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:30:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT RACE RESULTS FOR KASTNER CUP & TROPHY RACE @ LAGUNA SECA Message-ID: Picked these up from timing and scoring after the race... Great racing. Great people. Good times. Bill Redinger [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of FOT KasCup & Trophy Race 6-8-11 HMSA Laguna Seca.pdf] From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 13 10:38:26 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:38:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LAGUNA SECA shirts and posters.....and Kas' new book. Message-ID: <8CDF7FF744FAC25-1B5C-8CEE@Webmail-d123.sysops.aol.com> READ CAREFULLY I am overwhelmed with orders and will need to spread sheet this PROJECT name address shirt size and style poster distribution will be given priority with shirt order. i need to develop packaging and shipping costs. order that includes Kas new book will be shipped free. time is limited for me. I will be leaving for Blackhawk shortly. I will also be at the PVGP.......and can bring them, saving time and money. It is not clear how I thought I had time for this, but I will try. Clearly the LEGUNA SECA name has a lot of magic for people. It was a great event. Regards, Joe Alexander From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 13 12:15:22 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:15:22 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa Summer Classic 2011 with CSCC In-Reply-To: <008e01cc27a9$0aa95e90$1ffc1bb0$@camoletti.ch> References: <008e01cc27a9$0aa95e90$1ffc1bb0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <002f01cc29f5$dd32ebd0$9798c370$@com> One hour video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CAdNqG6z-k Cheers Chris From jfrymark at aol.com Mon Jun 13 13:04:05 2011 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:04:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-car video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Still trying to find a site to host all the video taken at the Kastner Cup event. In the meantime, thought I'd get my in-car video posted at YouTube with a little editing. Parts 1 & 2. Good battle with with Charly Mitchel. Just couldn't out pull his 6 (P.I.?). Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zovynwkphc Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7gBVFzjJE0 If others post to YouTube, suggest you use "FoT 2011 Kastner Cup" in the title. Then we can find all videos together. Had a blast! John Frymark On Jun 10, 2011, at 8:47 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:52:01 -0400 > From: > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] (no subject) > Message-ID: <20110610185202.UWOAM.146901.root at cdptpa-web13-z02> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Thanks for finally getting me in the car,,, my camera was also not > working so the only video I have is of my fat face before the > race,,, I would have loved to show everyone the battle that was > going on with Charlie and John right in front of me... oh well, > next time,, Mac From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Jun 13 14:26:16 2011 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:26:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-car video References: Message-ID: <4AE2114ED03E4F00A1C7A9519C753772@TRIUMPH.local> I am actually considering setting up a FOT account, parking the videos there, and embedding them into the fot-racing website. Does this make sense? Is there any other video hosting site we should be considering? Wearing my fot-racing.com webmaster hat at the moment Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Frymark" To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:04 PM Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-car video > Still trying to find a site to host all the video taken at the Kastner > Cup event. In the meantime, thought I'd get my in-car video posted at > YouTube with a little editing. Parts 1 & 2. Good battle with with > Charly Mitchel. Just couldn't out pull his 6 (P.I.?). > > Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zovynwkphc > Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7gBVFzjJE0 > > If others post to YouTube, suggest you use "FoT 2011 Kastner Cup" in > the title. Then we can find all videos together. > > Had a blast! > > John Frymark > > On Jun 10, 2011, at 8:47 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:52:01 -0400 >> From: >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] (no subject) >> Message-ID: <20110610185202.UWOAM.146901.root at cdptpa-web13-z02> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Thanks for finally getting me in the car,,, my camera was also not >> working so the only video I have is of my fat face before the >> race,,, I would have loved to show everyone the battle that was >> going on with Charlie and John right in front of me... oh well, >> next time,, Mac > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com From billb at bnj.com Mon Jun 13 14:54:49 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:54:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-car video In-Reply-To: <4AE2114ED03E4F00A1C7A9519C753772@TRIUMPH.local> References: <4AE2114ED03E4F00A1C7A9519C753772@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1C1E19BE-C6C1-4298-A3DA-673AEA6DFA50@bnj.com> vimeo is generally better for longer videos On Jun 13, 2011, at 1:26 PM, wrote: > I am actually considering setting up a FOT account, parking the videos there, and embedding them into the fot-racing website. Does this make sense? Is there any other video hosting site we should be considering? > > Wearing my fot-racing.com webmaster hat at the moment > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Frymark" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:04 PM > Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-car video > > >> Still trying to find a site to host all the video taken at the Kastner >> Cup event. In the meantime, thought I'd get my in-car video posted at >> YouTube with a little editing. Parts 1 & 2. Good battle with with >> Charly Mitchel. Just couldn't out pull his 6 (P.I.?). >> >> Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zovynwkphc >> Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7gBVFzjJE0 >> >> If others post to YouTube, suggest you use "FoT 2011 Kastner Cup" in >> the title. Then we can find all videos together. >> >> Had a blast! >> >> John Frymark >> >> On Jun 10, 2011, at 8:47 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: >> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:52:01 -0400 >>> From: >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: [Fot] (no subject) >>> Message-ID: <20110610185202.UWOAM.146901.root at cdptpa-web13-z02> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> Thanks for finally getting me in the car,,, my camera was also not >>> working so the only video I have is of my fat face before the >>> race,,, I would have loved to show everyone the battle that was >>> going on with Charlie and John right in front of me... oh well, >>> next time,, Mac >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 skype: bill.babcockkenalu www.bnj.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 13 17:59:29 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:59:29 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-car video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001701cc2a25$f1baced0$d5306c70$@com> Seems that the video contains some music so youtube has blocked it for watching it in Germany. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von John Frymark Gesendet: Montag, 13. Juni 2011 21:04 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-car video Still trying to find a site to host all the video taken at the Kastner Cup event. In the meantime, thought I'd get my in-car video posted at YouTube with a little editing. Parts 1 & 2. Good battle with with Charly Mitchel. Just couldn't out pull his 6 (P.I.?). Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zovynwkphc Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7gBVFzjJE0 If others post to YouTube, suggest you use "FoT 2011 Kastner Cup" in the title. Then we can find all videos together. Had a blast! John Frymark On Jun 10, 2011, at 8:47 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:52:01 -0400 > From: > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] (no subject) > Message-ID: <20110610185202.UWOAM.146901.root at cdptpa-web13-z02> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Thanks for finally getting me in the car,,, my camera was also not > working so the only video I have is of my fat face before the > race,,, I would have loved to show everyone the battle that was > going on with Charlie and John right in front of me... oh well, > next time,, Mac _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jfrymark at aol.com Mon Jun 13 21:38:09 2011 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:38:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shade Tree Mechanics sans Shade Tree Message-ID: You may have heard that we changed Paul Smock's engine overnight prior to the first practice session at Laguna Seca. Step 1 was to pull the old lump out in the parking lot waiting to enter the track on Monday. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yagUZTZbvL8 When all was done, we must have had at least 10 different wrenchers working on the re-install and IT STARTED AND RAN GREAT for the next 2 days! Go figure! FOT in action! John Frymark From garygret at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 13 21:43:30 2011 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk farms fathers day In-Reply-To: <111016.22587.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <111016.22587.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <66435.40062.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> As long as Tom brought it up, here's a blatant plug for the VSCDA Blackhawk Classic this weekend: Midwestern Council is again staffing the weekend for VSCDA and any one who's willing to work corners, grid, T&S etc. gets free admission, lunch, track touring and dinner! We're up against the June Sprints this year so could really use the help. Gary Schneider Blackhawk Classic Chief Steward ________________________________ From: tom strange To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 12:17:37 PM Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk farms fathers day Does anyone have a crew pass available for the fathers day festivities at blackhawk farms??? Thanks, Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From jfrymark at aol.com Mon Jun 13 22:30:18 2011 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:30:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shade Tree Mechanics sans Shade Tree REDUX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14E7A82B-3465-4684-9D22-1BFB8A580B1E@aol.com> Try this Instead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ7-TCjakBc On Jun 13, 2011, at 8:38 PM, John Frymark wrote: > You may have heard that we changed Paul Smock's engine overnight > prior to the first practice session at Laguna Seca. Step 1 was to > pull the old lump out in the parking lot waiting to enter the track > on Monday. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yagUZTZbvL8 > > When all was done, we must have had at least 10 different wrenchers > working on the re-install and IT STARTED AND RAN GREAT for the next > 2 days! Go figure! > > FOT in action! > > John Frymark From rjohns at woh.rr.com Mon Jun 13 22:31:06 2011 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 00:31:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Event From Bob and Jean Johns Message-ID: Hi guys! What a great event! We enjoyed ourselves immensely. John Nikas, Paul Smock, & John Frymark threw a great party. Thank you everyone for such a great gathering. I very much enjoyed finally meeting Mordy. Ever since we found out that his father-in-law, Mike Rothschild, was my co-driver at Sebring, we have communicated on the connection and on the details. It was great getting to meet him, in person, and see what an awesome car he has built. Great show! It is hard for this old "war horse" to see all this hands-on work being done and not get down and get my hands dirty. I am very impressed at the guys doing just that. I loved the write-up of the event from Tony Drews. Spot on! I an enjoying the photos, so far, and looking forward to more. I have sent them on to the English Triumph Register contacts and they have commented that they are glad to see "our cars in action." It was great seeing Kas and Peg, again. Kas never ages! It must be the California air! R. Johns From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jun 13 23:56:18 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 00:56:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 78 Midget drivetrain for sale...cheap Message-ID: <20110614055613.63BF5187890@autox.team.net> From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jun 14 00:48:36 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:48:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 78 Midget drivetrain for sale cheap Message-ID: <20110614064831.88063187890@autox.team.net> Let's try this again without the apparent html content. A buddy of mine has purchased a 78 Midget with a 1500 cc engine but doesn't want the drivetrain (Engine / Trans / rear axle). It's got 57,000 miles and ran fine a month ago. Anyone interested? You can contact Jim directly at kaw1kat at mchsi.com . Thanks, Tony Drews From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jun 14 07:55:25 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:55:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Event From Bob and Jean Johns Message-ID: <37b66.5ecb640f.3b28c24d@aol.com> In a message dated 06/13/2011 11:50:38 PM Central Daylight Time, rjohns at woh.rr.com writes: > <--- It was great seeing Kas and Peg, again. Kas never ages! It must be > the California air! ---> > > Maybe...but I think it is chasing Peg that keeps him in shape. Bill (Damdinger) From triosan at gmail.com Tue Jun 14 08:24:13 2011 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:24:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shade Tree Mechanics sans Shade Tree REDUX In-Reply-To: <14E7A82B-3465-4684-9D22-1BFB8A580B1E@aol.com> References: <14E7A82B-3465-4684-9D22-1BFB8A580B1E@aol.com> Message-ID: Such K Cup heroics. It has not yet appeared in print I think, but Jeff Quick also lost an engine -- this one on Tuesday at LAguna. He and his team of at least 4 wrenches had the engine swapped and the car on the track in time to race for the Cup -- and it ran just fine the entire race. I am contemplating a tour next year [or year after depending on "things"] with my TR6. Now see it has to include spare axels, brakes, engine, head and tranny -- to say nothing of wheels. Hope someone always has an engine puller -- even it it is two timbers and four guys! Grat seeing all of you I know, and sorry I did not seek out Mark B and Greg Solow -- hopefully next year. Do we have a place/date for 2013? Chuck On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:30 PM, John Frymark wrote: > Try this Instead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ7-TCjakBc > > On Jun 13, 2011, at 8:38 PM, John Frymark wrote: > > You may have heard that we changed Paul Smock's engine overnight prior to >> the first practice session at Laguna Seca. Step 1 was to pull the old lump >> out in the parking lot waiting to enter the track on Monday. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yagUZTZbvL8 >> >> When all was done, we must have had at least 10 different wrenchers >> working on the re-install and IT STARTED AND RAN GREAT for the next 2 days! >> Go figure! >> >> FOT in action! >> >> John Frymark >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jun 14 08:34:42 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:34:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Time to order FLAGS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDF8B75587C730-15D8-B619@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> thanks CHRIS, put me down for THREE. they will look good flying at the 10TH RUNNING OF THE KASTNERS CUP. very timely -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: FoTTriumph Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 3:07 pm Subject: [Fot] Time to order FLAGS Amici, Time to start ordering. Details 2x3foot size Logo is about 16 inches high 2 grommets Indoor outdoor use Material is great quality I have a proof picture if your interested in seeing it. I made the decision to go single sided. This means the words will be reversed on the back. Price is $15 each. Shipping is included. Deadline to order is august 8, 2011. I will place the order then and they should be sent out to you by mid September. Payments to paypal (SeaCubeCo at aol.com) or check to Chris Bock 3630 Italia Ave Vineland, NJ 08361 Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Jun 14 09:00:08 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:00:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shade Tree Mechanics sans Shade Tree REDUX In-Reply-To: References: <14E7A82B-3465-4684-9D22-1BFB8A580B1E@aol.com> Message-ID: <566F5C19-4F1B-40C0-AFAC-6F16BF891244@bnj.com> It was fun seeing that. When I built Nero I made the top of the rear door into a track and built a roller bogie that can be assembled onto it with a gate pulley. You run the winch cable over the gate pulley and to a block that gives 2-1 mechanical advantage. Pull the car up the ramp, hook on a engine tilting thingy and presto, electric engine crane. Worked great at VIR when I had to replace the clutch. Actually easier than the engine crane in my shop. I suspect most trailers could be so equipped if the door frame is strong enough. I built Nero's frame out of welded aluminum plate, and was a little nervous but it didn't shift a millimeter. On Jun 14, 2011, at 7:24 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > Such K Cup heroics. It has not yet appeared in print I think, but Jeff > Quick also lost an engine -- this one on Tuesday at LAguna. He and his team > of at least 4 wrenches had the engine swapped and the car on the track in > time to race for the Cup -- and it ran just fine the entire race. I am > contemplating a tour next year [or year after depending on "things"] with my > TR6. Now see it has to include spare axels, brakes, engine, head and tranny > -- to say nothing of wheels. Hope someone always has an engine puller -- > even it it is two timbers and four guys! > > Grat seeing all of you I know, and sorry I did not seek out Mark B and Greg > Solow -- hopefully next year. > > Do we have a place/date for 2013? > > Chuck From billb at bnj.com Tue Jun 14 09:01:47 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:01:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Time to order FLAGS In-Reply-To: <8CDF8B75587C730-15D8-B619@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDF8B75587C730-15D8-B619@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <12E5FF4F-415F-40CD-A6CC-8A292F0DA4D3@bnj.com> I'll take two, will send payment via Paypal. I'll do my best to be at the next Kastner Kup. From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jun 14 11:27:19 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:27:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca results Message-ID: <20110614172715.1C191187669@autox.team.net> Does anyone have a copy of the results from the first race on Wednesday (11:10 am) at Laguna Seca? The other two races are posted to the FOT site, but not the one I won... :) Thanks, Tony Drews From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Jun 14 14:53:09 2011 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Laguna Kastner Cup thanks In-Reply-To: <409173186.1575928.1308084702381.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <911171550.1576041.1308084789521.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT, Before it gets too far away from me, I'd like to thank everyone involved in another fantastic Kastner Cup event and acknowledge the importance of having "our" Triumph Champions and heros in the paddock. Sharing photo opportunities, experiences and autographs with Kas, Hardy Prentice (with his Championship TR3), Sam Halkias, Bob Johns, Jerry Barker and others adds much significance to these events. This was great for the Triumph Traveler Sports Car Club as well. It was nice to have the enthusiastic support of our streetcar brethren. Their smiles were ear-to-ear, both in the paddock and during the Corkscrew experience for the ultimate photo opportunities. Also, I'd like to thank those who stepped up to the plate to organize this event, from Mordy's amazing energy, generosity, and tasty eats to the co-hosts of Tuesday evening's bar-b-que, John and Tammy Frymark, as well as John Nikas, Steve Belfer and others. Thanks to the drivers who made the tow and put on a great show. And, of course, most certainly thanks to Joe Alexander for originally bringing the FoT together and defining our purpose. What a great group of people! Thanks to all for another glorious Kastner Cup event! I had a really great time and hopefully, next year I will be joining you all on the track, Dave Hogye From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jun 14 15:44:12 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:44:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Kastner Cup thanks References: <911171550.1576041.1308084789521.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <80B56938E6584B3FB3B202E467B8CA7C@Bud> Good to see you Dave..and your 'trademark' Stingray.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "davehogye" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:53 PM Subject: [Fot] Laguna Kastner Cup thanks > FoT, > Before it gets too far away from me, I'd like to thank everyone involved > in another fantastic Kastner Cup event and acknowledge the importance of > having "our" Triumph Champions and heros in the paddock. Sharing photo > opportunities, experiences and autographs with Kas, Hardy Prentice (with > his Championship TR3), Sam Halkias, Bob Johns, Jerry Barker and others > adds much significance to these events. This was great for the Triumph > Traveler Sports Car Club as well. It was nice to have the enthusiastic > support of our streetcar brethren. Their smiles were ear-to-ear, both in > the paddock and during the Corkscrew experience for the ultimate photo > opportunities. > > > Also, I'd like to thank those who stepped up to the plate to organize this > event, from Mordy's amazing energy, generosity, and tasty eats to the > co-hosts of Tuesday evening's bar-b-que, John and Tammy Frymark, as well > as John Nikas, Steve Belfer and others. Thanks to the drivers who made the > tow and put on a great show. > > > And, of course, most certainly thanks to Joe Alexander for originally > bringing the FoT together and defining our purpose. What a great group of > people! > Thanks to all for another glorious Kastner Cup event! I had a really great > time and hopefully, next year I will be joining you all on the track, > Dave Hogye > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From SpiwakD at aol.com Tue Jun 14 18:41:40 2011 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:41:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Head Wanted Message-ID: I'm looking for a used ported TR3/TR4 head for my spare engine. Call Dave at 570-441-5646 or email. From tjwakeman at gmail.com Tue Jun 14 20:18:18 2011 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:18:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TRAN-X LIMITED SLIP QUESTION Message-ID: <4DF8166A.2060308@gmail.com> Hey guys I got a couple quick questions about a Tran-X limited slip (similar to Salisbury). 1. Does it take a special oil? If yes what. 2. What is the bolt torque setting for the bolts holding the ring gear on? I got a Tran-X without any instructions in the box, so any help would be great. Thanks Teriann From billb at bnj.com Tue Jun 14 21:36:27 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:36:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TRAN-X LIMITED SLIP QUESTION In-Reply-To: <4DF8166A.2060308@gmail.com> References: <4DF8166A.2060308@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, you need to use gear oil designed for limited slip. Easy to find at any auto parts store or get the Redline stuff. I don't remember which variety it is but the redline site will tell you. Don't recall the torque. On Jun 14, 2011, at 7:18 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > Hey guys I got a couple quick questions about a Tran-X limited slip > (similar to Salisbury). > > 1. Does it take a special oil? If yes what. > > 2. What is the bolt torque setting for the bolts holding the ring gear on? > > I got a Tran-X without any instructions in the box, so any help would be > great. > > Thanks > > Teriann > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 skype: bill.babcockkenalu www.bnj.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 07:01:29 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:01:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRAN-X LIMITED SLIP QUESTION In-Reply-To: <4990AFA8-8D09-488A-9263-0906A34439F9@gmail.com> References: <4DF8166A.2060308@gmail.com> <4990AFA8-8D09-488A-9263-0906A34439F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <955B7D6E-4ED8-4144-8CA1-BAEB222D7F56@gmail.com> f On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote: > Teriann, > If nobody has the factory specs, this ought to get you close: > > http://www.engineersedge.com/torque_table_sae_ftlbs.htm > > The critical thing will be whether you can tell what the bolt grade is. Markings explained here: > > http://www.boltdepot.com/fastener-information/Materials-and-Grades/Bolt-Grade -Chart.aspx > > Duncan > > On Jun 14, 2011, at 10:36 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > >> Yes, you need to use gear oil designed for limited slip. Easy to find at any >> auto parts store or get the Redline stuff. I don't remember which variety it >> is but the redline site will tell you. Don't recall the torque. >> On Jun 14, 2011, at 7:18 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >> >>> Hey guys I got a couple quick questions about a Tran-X limited slip >>> (similar to Salisbury). >>> >>> 1. Does it take a special oil? If yes what. >>> >>> 2. What is the bolt torque setting for the bolts holding the ring gear on? >>> >>> I got a Tran-X without any instructions in the box, so any help would be >>> great. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Teriann >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >>> >>> >> >> Bill Babcock >> billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> skype: bill.babcockkenalu >> www.bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jun 15 09:07:26 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:07:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Teaser video from Laguna Seca 2011 Kastner Cup Message-ID: <20110615150724.AA527187872@autox.team.net> I took some video (at a friend's request) of us waiting to enter the track and of the drive into the track. I'm still working on the in-car video, but it came out nicely - that will go up later this week or this coming weekend. Anyway, 3 to 4 minutes of track entry stuff is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHTdu-zFMUs Cheers, Tony Drews From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 11:55:28 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:55:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRAN-X LIMITED SLIP QUESTION In-Reply-To: <002a01cc2b67$3a167d40$ae4377c0$@camoletti.ch> References: <4DF8166A.2060308@gmail.com> <4990AFA8-8D09-488A-9263-0906A34439F9@gmail.com> <955B7D6E-4ED8-4144-8CA1-BAEB222D7F56@gmail.com> <002a01cc2b67$3a167d40$ae4377c0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: I should have used my own advice and used Tinyurl.com to shorten the URLs and keep them from being cut when the email program produces narrow columns of text. Torque table: http://tinyurl.com/dhcrc Bolt markings: http://tinyurl.com/yplwq8 Duncan > On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote: > >> Teriann, >> If nobody has the factory specs, this ought to get you close: >> >> http://www.engineersedge.com/torque_table_sae_ftlbs.htm >> >> The critical thing will be whether you can tell what the bolt grade is. > Markings explained here: >> >> > http://www.boltdepot.com/fastener-information/Materials-and-Grades/Bolt-Grad > e > -Chart.aspx >> >> Duncan >> >> On Jun 14, 2011, at 10:36 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: >> >>> Yes, you need to use gear oil designed for limited slip. Easy to find >>> at > any >>> auto parts store or get the Redline stuff. I don't remember which >>> variety > it >>> is but the redline site will tell you. Don't recall the torque. >>> On Jun 14, 2011, at 7:18 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >>> >>>> Hey guys I got a couple quick questions about a Tran-X limited slip >>>> (similar to Salisbury). >>>> >>>> 1. Does it take a special oil? If yes what. >>>> >>>> 2. What is the bolt torque setting for the bolts holding the ring >>>> gear > on? >>>> >>>> I got a Tran-X without any instructions in the box, so any help >>>> would be great. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Teriann >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Bill Babcock >>> billb at bnj.com >>> 503.936.7660 >>> skype: bill.babcockkenalu >>> www.bnj.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jun 15 13:16:44 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:16:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TRAN-X LIMITED SLIP QUESTION In-Reply-To: <955B7D6E-4ED8-4144-8CA1-BAEB222D7F56@gmail.com> References: <4DF8166A.2060308@gmail.com> <4990AFA8-8D09-488A-9263-0906A34439F9@gmail.com> <955B7D6E-4ED8-4144-8CA1-BAEB222D7F56@gmail.com> Message-ID: <024e01cc2b90$c49229a0$4db67ce0$@rr.com> > > The critical thing will be whether you can tell what the bolt grade > is. > Markings explained here: Unfortunately that is an explanation of SAE markings, and the original bolts were not SAE spec. FWIW, I just got an email from Dan Jones at Tran-X, saying to use the factory torque for the ring gear bolts. According to the TR2/3 workshop manual, that was 35-40 ft-lb (for the later gears with the 3/8" bolts). He also included a drawing that says to use Loctite and torque the "test bolts" (which I assume are the ones holding the carrier together) to 30-35 ft-lb. Curiously enough, the only difference between the "light weight" and "fully interlevered" settings appears to be the order of assembly of the clutch plates. I thought it was a component change. -- Randall From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 14:52:21 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:52:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Message-ID: With the help of several people, I've got this licked. Fuel pressure was set too high (4 psi) for the H6 SUs. I adjusted that to 2.7 psi, installed leaner needles and cranked the jets up to 8 flats from where they'd been found at 19 flats. Very good plug color now, no flat spots, and NO sputtering after letting off the throttle and getting back on it again. Seat of the pants suggests there has been a power gain in the midrange. Soft-mounting the carbs does not appear to be necessary. Now to do some acceleration runs to optimize ignition timing. Thanks to all who contributed -- Michael P, Bob K, Tim M, Jim G, Jim E, Bill B, Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, Tony, Kas, and especially Greg Solow, who walked me through this off-group. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Jun 15 15:27:21 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:27:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D5A2@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << I've got this licked. >> Oh, god. NOW you've done it. The very definition of hubris. Expect something mysterious to go wrong in some other part of the car. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:52 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question With the help of several people, I've got this licked. Fuel pressure was set too high (4 psi) for the H6 SUs. I adjusted that to 2.7 psi, installed leaner needles and cranked the jets up to 8 flats from where they'd been found at 19 flats. Very good plug color now, no flat spots, and NO sputtering after letting off the throttle and getting back on it again. Seat of the pants suggests there has been a power gain in the midrange. Soft-mounting the carbs does not appear to be necessary. Now to do some acceleration runs to optimize ignition timing. Thanks to all who contributed -- Michael P, Bob K, Tim M, Jim G, Jim E, Bill B, Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, Tony, Kas, and especially Greg Solow, who walked me through this off-group. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Jun 15 15:59:02 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:59:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000b01cc2ba7$70adc170$52094450$@com> Just curious, what needles did you settle on? We have H6's on the race car and went from SM needles to RB needles with the Kastner cam and about 11:1 or a little better compression ratio. We're about 10 flats down and about 2.9 to 3.0 PSI fuel pressure at present, if I remember correctly. Always nice to know what the "base line" is for a street car. Thanks, Tim Murphy -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:52 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question With the help of several people, I've got this licked. Fuel pressure was set too high (4 psi) for the H6 SUs. I adjusted that to 2.7 psi, installed leaner needles and cranked the jets up to 8 flats from where they'd been found at 19 flats. Very good plug color now, no flat spots, and NO sputtering after letting off the throttle and getting back on it again. Seat of the pants suggests there has been a power gain in the midrange. Soft-mounting the carbs does not appear to be necessary. Now to do some acceleration runs to optimize ignition timing. Thanks to all who contributed -- Michael P, Bob K, Tim M, Jim G, Jim E, Bill B, Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, Tony, Kas, and especially Greg Solow, who walked me through this off-group. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Jun 15 16:06:11 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:06:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01cc2ba8$707297c0$5157c740$@com> Update, just checked my notes and we are now at 11 flats down on both carbs. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:52 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question With the help of several people, I've got this licked. Fuel pressure was set too high (4 psi) for the H6 SUs. I adjusted that to 2.7 psi, installed leaner needles and cranked the jets up to 8 flats from where they'd been found at 19 flats. Very good plug color now, no flat spots, and NO sputtering after letting off the throttle and getting back on it again. Seat of the pants suggests there has been a power gain in the midrange. Soft-mounting the carbs does not appear to be necessary. Now to do some acceleration runs to optimize ignition timing. Thanks to all who contributed -- Michael P, Bob K, Tim M, Jim G, Jim E, Bill B, Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, Tony, Kas, and especially Greg Solow, who walked me through this off-group. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 15 17:21:37 2011 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk farms fathers day parts delivery Message-ID: <563248.44947.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Short notice, I know, but .... I will be at Blackhawk Farms fairly early Fri morning .... I will be at Pegasus mid morning on thursday, and at berget tire early thursday afternoon ... If there is anything anyone needs transported to the track, call your orders in & I'll bring it along ... let them know to give it to me though so it doesnt get missed ... See you all this weekend. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jun 16 00:26:08 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 01:26:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca, In car video, 11:10 am race, 6/8/2011 Message-ID: <20110616062600.5083D187657@autox.team.net> Here's a narrated version of the morning race at Laguna Seca. Since I started on the pole and won the (shortened) race there's not a ton of action in the front facing camera, but still not bad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S102OQKw5V8 Tony From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 16 01:39:35 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 01:39:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca, In car video, 11:10 am race, 6/8/2011 In-Reply-To: <20110616062600.5083D187657@autox.team.net> References: <20110616062600.5083D187657@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4DF9B337.9010402@bradakis.com> I have *got* to get a car back together and get out on track. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jun 16 01:55:57 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:55:57 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca, In car video, 11:10 am race, 6/8/2011 In-Reply-To: <20110616062600.5083D187657@autox.team.net> References: <20110616062600.5083D187657@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000301cc2bfa$d5a6ab70$80f40250$@com> Contraire corners: Cork screw down hill Eau rouge up hill Well done Tony. The narration is very interesting as I got a clue why this or that happened and your feel about it. Thanks! Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2011 08:26 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Laguna Seca, In car video, 11:10 am race, 6/8/2011 Here's a narrated version of the morning race at Laguna Seca. Since I started on the pole and won the (shortened) race there's not a ton of action in the front facing camera, but still not bad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S102OQKw5V8 Tony _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From triumphs at consolidated.net Thu Jun 16 06:21:30 2011 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home PC) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:21:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca, In car video, 11:10 am race, 6/8/2011 References: <20110616062600.5083D187657@autox.team.net> Message-ID: very nice video. Thanks Tony kg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 1:26 AM Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca, In car video, 11:10 am race, 6/8/2011 > Here's a narrated version of the morning race at Laguna Seca. Since I > started on the pole and won the (shortened) race there's not a ton of > action in the front facing camera, but still not bad. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S102OQKw5V8 > > Tony > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3706 - Release Date: 06/15/11 From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Jun 16 07:29:04 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:29:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Twin Cities to Blackhawk Farms? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D5B9@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> (The following is from Ernie Hussman whose FOT mailings are still in the manual mode following his account being hacked) Is there anyone from the Minneapolis, MN area that will be going to the Blackhawk Classic this weekend who might be able to pick up and transport a recumbent bike for me? B Please contact me off the list. B Thanks, B Ernie From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Jun 16 08:53:22 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:53:22 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: cork screw Message-ID: <1897200361-1308236003-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1727256230-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> I took this short clip on my cell phone... Just a few of the cars @ last weeks KCup. See the link... 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Please give us a report back. I'm slightly leary, while trying not to be too critical, but, they don't know what they have. They label their TRI-TR6 rods as being for Spit 1500, Late Spit 1300, GT6, and TR6. I do believe the rods for each of these engines is a different length. A 1500 may fit a TR6, but a GT6 is different as is the 1300. Of course, until we all started buying Pauter rods they were an unknown too! Let us know. -Ed- --- On Thu, 6/16/11, Duncan Charlton wrote: From: Duncan Charlton Subject: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods To: "fot" Date: Thursday, June 16, 2011, 8:02 PM Has anybody had experience with connecting rods from maxspeedingrods? http://tinyurl.com/3wmuk6d $520.16 a set (with ARP bolts) for a TR motor on their ebay page here: http://tinyurl.com/3cu5r89 Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From herald948 at aol.com Thu Jun 16 21:20:59 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods In-Reply-To: <31532.13280.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <31532.13280.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: EDWARD BARNARD Well Duncan, we'll know all about them once you buy a set and try them. Please give us a report back. I'm slightly leary, while trying not to be too critical, but, they don't know what they have. They label their TRI-TR6 rods as being for Spit 1500, Late Spit 1300, GT6, and TR6. I do believe the rods for each of these engines is a different length. A 1500 may fit a TR6, but a GT6 is different as is the 1300. ==AM== I think they might be right. P/N146454 seems to show up at TRF, Moss Europe and other online catalogue sites as a connecting rod for all those cars. (Well, all but the very earliest GT6 engines.) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 16 21:59:13 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:59:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods In-Reply-To: <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> References: <31532.13280.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DFAD111.6050605@bradakis.com> The TR6, GT6 Mark 2 & 3, Spitfire 1500 and large journal 1300 do all share the same rods, as I recall. The GT6 has different piston crown heights , but I seem to recall something like a standard TR6 piston is the same as a 40 over Spit 1500. I'm probably getting into pure speculation here, fueled by a murky memory. Also the rocker arms are the same, but I could be wrong on that one. So 2 sets of TR6 roller rockers would give you 3 sets of Spit 1500 ones! The early GT6 and Vitesse 1600 motors, 1147 and early 1296 Spit motors do not share components with the TR6 or Spit 1500. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 16 22:07:19 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:07:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods In-Reply-To: <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> References: <31532.13280.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DFAD2F7.7040008@bradakis.com> One minor note on the rods. I think that the early TR250/6 and Spit 1300 rods were a different casting than the later ones which had the same basic dimensions but different amounts of metal in various places and slightly different oil passages. Again, murky memory. Maybe I should go out to the garage, grab my calipers and rummage around. mjb. From Catpusher at aol.com Thu Jun 16 22:14:30 2011 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Laguna and the Kastner Cup Message-ID: <3f48d.21f8413a.3b2c2ea6@aol.com> FOT, A fine mix of history, friendships, and competition! Our only frustration was that we could not attend the FOT BBQ; we did appreciate the invitations. Our TR3 returned from Monterey today and is safety back in the basement. Hardy & Ellie From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu Jun 16 22:14:32 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:14:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods In-Reply-To: <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> References: <31532.13280.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2E0D4E72-7368-4830-8F4F-0991F41AC951@gmail.com> Andrew (or is it Ed? -- hard to tell...), Thanks for letting me go first. :-) My interest in them is for a potential future engine build. My current engine has Carrillos, thanks to the previous owner. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 16, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Andrew Mace wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: EDWARD BARNARD > Well Duncan, we'll know all about them once you buy a set and try them. Please > give us a report back. I'm slightly leary, while trying not to be too critical, > but, they don't know what they have. They label their TRI-TR6 rods as being for > Spit 1500, Late Spit 1300, GT6, and TR6. I do believe the rods for each of these > engines is a different length. A 1500 may fit a TR6, but a GT6 is different as > is the 1300. > > > ==AM== > > > > > I think they might be right. P/N146454 seems to show up at TRF, Moss Europe and other online > > catalogue sites as a connecting rod for all those cars. (Well, all but the very earliest GT6 engines.) > > > > --Andy Mace > > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. > > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org > > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jun 17 01:16:52 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:16:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods In-Reply-To: <2E0D4E72-7368-4830-8F4F-0991F41AC951@gmail.com> References: <31532.13280.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> <2E0D4E72-7368-4830-8F4F-0991F41AC951@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601cc2cbe$891a43b0$9b4ecb10$@com> I heard nothing bad about them. A few people do use them and no failure 'till today. In a TR6 they took 8200rpm and do still last. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Duncan Charlton Gesendet: Freitag, 17. Juni 2011 06:15 An: Andrew Mace Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods Andrew (or is it Ed? -- hard to tell...), Thanks for letting me go first. :-) My interest in them is for a potential future engine build. My current engine has Carrillos, thanks to the previous owner. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 16, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Andrew Mace wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: EDWARD BARNARD > Well Duncan, we'll know all about them once you buy a set and try them. Please > give us a report back. I'm slightly leary, while trying not to be too critical, > but, they don't know what they have. They label their TRI-TR6 rods as being for > Spit 1500, Late Spit 1300, GT6, and TR6. I do believe the rods for each of these > engines is a different length. A 1500 may fit a TR6, but a GT6 is different as > is the 1300. > > > ==AM== > > > > > I think they might be right. P/N146454 seems to show up at TRF, Moss Europe and other online > > catalogue sites as a connecting rod for all those cars. (Well, all but the very earliest GT6 engines.) > > > > --Andy Mace > > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. > > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org > > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Fri Jun 17 03:21:04 2011 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:21:04 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Gearbox Extension Housing Identification Message-ID: Dear Listers, I am currently rebuilding a TR6 Close Ratio Gearbox for a friend of mine, with the QUAIFE gear set. I need some help in identifying the rear extension housing that he had shipped with the box. It was supposed to be a TR6 extension housing. BUT, the extension housing face that mates to the back of the gear case, does NOT have the cast 'slot' that allows the ext. housing to clear the reverse gear shaft/countershaft/locking tab. Anyone know what model of Triumph this extension housing is from? Not that it solves my problem of not having a housing! I am just curious as to what it is from? Hoping the combined wisdom of the list will let me get some sleep by coming up with the solution! Many thanks in advance! Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From SpiwakD at aol.com Fri Jun 17 06:08:23 2011 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 08:08:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] Chinese rods Message-ID: <3ba7.4d4980eb.3b2c9db7@aol.com> Who wants to take a chance with the usually inferior Chinese steel? I use Pauter rods which work as well as Carillo for me at 2/3 the price. From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jun 17 06:57:04 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 08:57:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] BLACKHAWK FARMS FATHERS DAY W'END Message-ID: <8CDFB0530D1612F-1B34-26CA6@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> TR4 #197 loaded and waiting for five grandchildren and two sons. Laguna would have been very special but this is long time tradition. Have Laguna shirts for those who want them.....get them early. Choices are limited. Posters are in short supply, too...good thing we got 200 of them instead of just 100. Steve Belfer....how many do you have on hand? (Next year's poster is already in the works for the 10th running of the KASTNER CUP.) See you at Blackhawk. Joe Alexander From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jun 17 08:52:59 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:52:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup race, In-Car video Message-ID: <20110617145250.D858218787D@autox.team.net> I just edited and posted Kastner Cup race, Laguna Seca, In-Car video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epKxXhYycWU Tony Drews From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Jun 17 13:23:41 2011 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:23:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] More vids from Laguna Seca Message-ID: <3B83B09E-E86B-40A1-9D9A-D569261BDC9B@earthlink.net> As seen from my TR3 Http://vimeo.com/25219748 Steve From igofaster at att.net Fri Jun 17 15:36:20 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 pistons... Message-ID: <977792.16153.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> so... I am starting on a NEW short block for my GT6 MKII... any line on some nice 0.20 Pistons? 0.10 rod and main bearings... are the tri-metals still out there? I need Spitfire cam bearings too... Bobby Whitehead From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Fri Jun 17 16:27:30 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 08:27:30 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods Message-ID: The '68 onwards GT6 and pre '73 TR6 rods are the same. The very early GT6 had a wider big-end, shared with Vanguard 6. The beam of the rod is very thin, like a Spitty rod. I doubt anyone would be copying these GT6 rods, as the bearings are getting very hard to find The post '73 6 cyl rods had a hole drilled thru the big-end to allow 1 rod bolt hole to be tapped easier. The Spit 1500 used these rods Whilst these later rods looked "weak", i have never seen one fail in a stock engine. Even on race engines, they dont seem to fail thru the hole, but rather by bolt breakage and/or cap fretting All the above rods are exactly the same length. The weights however vary considerably. This is not a bother if you are building a balanced engine, but is an issue if you are swapping stuff around. I build a lot of modern turbo race and stock engines. conrods are rarely an issue, but i have used quite a few "chinese" sets at circa $500 set because that is less cost to the customer than stuffing around trying to fix/grind/balance/shot-peen 4 old rods. never had a problem provided they came with genuine ARP bolts. Terry From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri Jun 17 16:32:55 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:32:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 pistons... References: <977792.16153.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <62048149C1754ADC8FFB39CAABF32AA7@Charly> Check British Parts NW. http://www.bpnorthwest.com/ Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 2:36 PM Subject: [Fot] GT6 pistons... > so... I am starting on a NEW short block for my GT6 MKII... any line on > some > nice 0.20 Pistons? 0.10 rod and main bearings... are the tri-metals > still > out > there? > > I need Spitfire cam bearings too... > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From walt at hot-tr6.com Fri Jun 17 20:12:09 2011 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 20:12:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New Product Message-ID: <001f01cc2d5d$219e1b40$64da51c0$@hot-tr6.com> With reference to what used to be the "winter blend" of ethanol in our pump gas there is a new additive out I wish to share with FOT members. Now ethanol is a year-long deal and even though the stock Triumph engines are a relatively low compression design and can usually will Tolerate this blend once you start decking the block and start cutting the head to get the compression up you must deal with vapor-lock and other Problems with ethanol In our pump gas. Well- STA-Bil has a new product out called "Ethanol Treatment". I heard about this product and went to NAPA and at first was told there was no such item then got a call back that they did have it at one of their stores . I picked up a couple of bottles And will give it a try in my daily driver kit Cobra which has a 347ci stroker engine in it at 11:1 compression with a 700 Holley double pumper carb on it. The last Few hot days my replica-Cobra has struggled with our ethanol blended 91 pump octane gas. My 1970 TR6 vintage is at 13:1 compression so I have to use 110 octane racing fuel in it so ethanol is not an issue. FYI Walt Hollowell ABQ, NM From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jun 17 21:00:07 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 20:00:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New Product References: <001f01cc2d5d$219e1b40$64da51c0$@hot-tr6.com> Message-ID: <2060F160272442758BAA82A50D87F19A@Bud> Hi Walt...is this taking place in all states? RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Hollowell" To: Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 7:12 PM Subject: [Fot] New Product > With reference to what used to be the "winter blend" of ethanol in our > pump > gas there is a new additive out I wish to share with FOT members. > > Now ethanol is a year-long deal and even though the stock Triumph engines > are a relatively low compression design and can usually will > > Tolerate this blend once you start decking the block and start cutting the > head to get the compression up you must deal with vapor-lock and other > > Problems with ethanol In our pump gas. Well- STA-Bil has a new product out > called "Ethanol Treatment". I heard about this product and went to > > NAPA and at first was told there was no such item then got a call back > that > they did have it at one of their stores . I picked up a couple of bottles > > And will give it a try in my daily driver kit Cobra which has a 347ci > stroker engine in it at 11:1 compression with a 700 Holley double pumper > carb on it. The last > > Few hot days my replica-Cobra has struggled with our ethanol blended 91 > pump > octane gas. My 1970 > TR6 vintage is at 13:1 compression so I have to use 110 octane racing fuel > in it so ethanol is not an issue. > > FYI > > Walt Hollowell > > ABQ, NM > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From oldspeed72 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 18 07:15:04 2011 From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com (Mark Vanlake) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Listed on E-Bay Message-ID: <488325.81705.qm@web111013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Greetings fellow FOT members. Listed my Freshly restored TR-6 racer on E-Bay. Note the FOT stickers on the car. If you know anyone interested, please pass the link on. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180683171109&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jun 18 11:42:36 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:42:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] One more in-car video Message-ID: <20110618174230.1515B187646@autox.team.net> Last video - race 3, the "Trophy" race at Laguna Seca - start on pole, finish 4th: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaUQ_EXkXyo Tony From gaf3 at charter.net Sat Jun 18 16:15:37 2011 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:15:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hot Running 6 Message-ID: <4DFD2389.5030304@charter.net> Hi I just finished rebuilding a club members 74 TR6 that I had bored .060" over due to cylinder wall damage. The owner had the radiator cleaned out, provided a new water pump, thermostat, temp sending unit and so on. The car has a set of DGV Webers (downdraft) on it. There are a couple of issues now with the engine I'm trying to sort out. Engine runs on the warm side with the gauge between 1/2 and 3/4 some excursions to 3/4 when left idling for a _long_ time. When the engine is revved to 1,500-2,000 rpm it settles back down to 5/8ths on the gauge. * I suspected a faulty replacement temp sending unit and replaced it with one from my car and it brought the temp down slightly. * I also tried to burp the system by bleeding the air out at the sending unit but I can't seem to get it out. When I remove the sending unit there's just air. * Any better methods of getting air out of the head?? Doesn't seem to purge after thermal cycling the engine. New cap as well. * The replacement thermostat was a 165 deg. I suspect that it's higher than that. Can't measure actual coolant temp since I broke my Temp Tester. * My next step is to remove the thermostat. Engine backfires through the carbs cold when when snapping the throttle when the chokes are off and not quite warmed up. Not a problem at operating temp/No backfires. * Distributor is the vacuum retard type and the vacuum line is disconnected. * Base timing set at ~1deg BTDC Any Ideas? Thanks in Advance Glenn Franco Too Many TR's they keep multiplying From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat Jun 18 18:24:42 2011 From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:24:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hot Running 6 References: <4DFD2389.5030304@charter.net> Message-ID: <8A0A45E93A6D4DCDA03FF7251085E823@TER2> Siince the distributor is a vacuum retard type. The vacuum normally retards the timeing from about 12 degrees before tdc to 4degrees atdc. Without the retard connected the timing should be about 12 degrees btdc at idle speed. when you rev the engine up, with all vacuum lines to the distributor disconnected, you should get about 36 degrees total maximum mechanical advance. You may be able to get away with up to 38 or 40 degrees, dependiing on the compression ratio of the engine. You will have to slow down the idle considerably when you advance the timing. That should make the engie run cooler and have more power and be more responsive. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Franco" To: "Friends of triumph" ; <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 3:15 PM Subject: [Fot] Hot Running 6 > Hi > I just finished rebuilding a club members 74 TR6 that I had bored .060" > over due to cylinder wall damage. > The owner had the radiator cleaned out, provided a new water pump, > thermostat, temp sending unit and so on. > The car has a set of DGV Webers (downdraft) on it. > There are a couple of issues now with the engine I'm trying to sort out. > > Engine runs on the warm side with the gauge between 1/2 and 3/4 some > excursions to 3/4 when left idling for a _long_ time. When the engine is > revved to 1,500-2,000 rpm it settles back down to 5/8ths on the gauge. > > * I suspected a faulty replacement temp sending unit and > replaced it with one from my car and it brought the temp down > slightly. > * I also tried to burp the system by bleeding the air out at the > sending unit but I can't seem to get it out. When I remove the > sending unit there's just air. > * Any better methods of getting air out of the head?? Doesn't > seem to purge after thermal cycling the engine. New cap as well. > * The replacement thermostat was a 165 deg. I suspect that it's > higher than that. Can't measure actual coolant temp since I > broke my Temp Tester. > * My next step is to remove the thermostat. > > Engine backfires through the carbs cold when when snapping the throttle > when the chokes are off and not quite warmed up. Not a problem at > operating temp/No backfires. > > * Distributor is the vacuum retard type and the vacuum line is > disconnected. > * Base timing set at ~1deg BTDC > > Any Ideas? > Thanks in Advance > Glenn Franco > Too Many TR's they keep multiplying > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sun Jun 19 08:21:29 2011 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:21:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 lower control arm rebound plate Message-ID: <4DFE05E9.8000600@cfl.rr.com> I am in need of two TR6 rebound plates that bolt to the shock mounting studs. Does anyone have a set to sell? thxx, Bob Davis From gaf3 at charter.net Sun Jun 19 10:50:47 2011 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:50:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hot Running 6 In-Reply-To: <4DFD2389.5030304@charter.net> References: <4DFD2389.5030304@charter.net> Message-ID: <4DFE28E7.3050406@charter.net> Group Thanks for all the input on the warm running engine and backfires. I jacked up the front of the car with the thermostat housing off and filled up the head with coolant. I also, as Kas suggested drilled out the thermostat housing and tapped it for a small pipe plug. It does the trick. Coolant temp now is steady at 9/16 to 5/8ths on the gauge regardless of how long it idles. Set the timing at 12 deg BTDC Thanks again! Glenn Too Many TR's they keep multiplying. On 6/18/2011 6:15 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Hi > I just finished rebuilding a club members 74 TR6 that I had bored .060" > over due to cylinder wall damage. > The owner had the radiator cleaned out, provided a new water pump, > thermostat, temp sending unit and so on. > The car has a set of DGV Webers (downdraft) on it. > There are a couple of issues now with the engine I'm trying to sort out. > > Engine runs on the warm side with the gauge between 1/2 and 3/4 some > excursions to 3/4 when left idling for a _long_ time. When the engine is > revved to 1,500-2,000 rpm it settles back down to 5/8ths on the gauge. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 20 09:46:51 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:46:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms a success Message-ID: <8CDFD78683C1F13-B98-326E8@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Our report...there should be more from others. 1st outing with new engine since failure at Topeka Heat soaking a declining coil brought #197 in to the paddock after five laps for two of the races. Replaced coil with one loaned by Scott Barr and it was gang busters for the one hour enduro. Sean was down to 1:29 during the enduro and running consistent lap times. Notably......son Mark ran Blackhawk for the first time in almost 20 years and has had limited track time anywhere since. He ran 1:33s immediately and ran 1:31s as his best lap. This is pretty impressive, methinks. Mark's back.....!!! Lessons learned....20 year coil should have been replaced long ago. duh! Father's Day had 9 Alexanders and three generations at the track and frequent FOT visitors to our paddock campsite. Very cool! New engine dry with superior engine assembly by Sean and Brendan....and crankcase vacuum system. Looks like we are in the business of vintage racing with Brendan coming along in the next couple of years. Now to focus on the AMBRO and the 10th Running of the Kastner Cup at Road Atlanta. Joe, Sean, Mark, Brendan From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 20 10:01:56 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:01:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LAGUNA SHIRTS AND POSTERS Message-ID: <8CDFD7A83A7B456-B98-329B4@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> I'll try publish inventory of what I have for shirts and poster later today. The shirt production was a last minute line item and is tough to manage distribution even when it is not. NOTE: There may be a few shirts and posters available in Ca. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------- 10TH KASTNER CUP: I suspect Henry Frye will be looking for a PROJECT MANAGER for shirt production and distribution quite soon. Poster Artwork is being reviewed by a small sub committee right now. Joe A From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Jun 20 10:40:32 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:40:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure Message-ID: <4DFF7800.1020504@comcast.net> Yesterday, in the vintage race at Portland's Rose Cup races, my wife Patty, suffered a major brake failure of a front caliper. Both lugs sheared off. The bolts are still tight and hold the broken portions of the lugs to the upright. I cannot remember where I got these calipers, (can't find the receipt), but they were new last summer. I wasn't really impressed with them because the casting looked really rough, and they were a bit oversized - I had to grind off the outer corner to get them to clear the Panasport wheels. I'm passing this on as a word of warning to others. Can anyone recommend a source for good quality calipers? Thanks in advance - Jim Norlin From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jun 20 11:13:25 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:13:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms NOT a success In-Reply-To: <8CDFD78683C1F13-B98-326E8@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDFD78683C1F13-B98-326E8@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D5FB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> We had less success this weekend. Chased a bad miss all weekend and ultimately popped a pushrod loose, shaving a bunch of aluminum off of the rocker. Another rebuild on the way. The upside is that it freed up a good coil for the Alexanders' efforts. Great work, guys! You looked very good out there. Presently having my ass kicked by equipment, Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:47 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms a success Our report...there should be more from others. 1st outing with new engine since failure at Topeka Heat soaking a declining coil brought #197 in to the paddock after five laps for two of the races. Replaced coil with one loaned by Scott Barr and it was gang busters for the one hour enduro. Sean was down to 1:29 during the enduro and running consistent lap times. Notably......son Mark ran Blackhawk for the first time in almost 20 years and has had limited track time anywhere since. He ran 1:33s immediately and ran 1:31s as his best lap. This is pretty impressive, methinks. Mark's back.....!!! Lessons learned....20 year coil should have been replaced long ago. duh! Father's Day had 9 Alexanders and three generations at the track and frequent FOT visitors to our paddock campsite. Very cool! New engine dry with superior engine assembly by Sean and Brendan....and crankcase vacuum system. Looks like we are in the business of vintage racing with Brendan coming along in the next couple of years. Now to focus on the AMBRO and the 10th Running of the Kastner Cup at Road Atlanta. Joe, Sean, Mark, Brendan _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jun 20 11:49:12 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:49:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms a success In-Reply-To: <8CDFD78683C1F13-B98-326E8@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDFD78683C1F13-B98-326E8@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:46 AM, wrote: > Our report...there should be more from others. > > The Blackhawk Classic was NOT a good outing for Friendly Ghost Racing. > After Friday practice the weekend looked promising. We seemed to have solved > accesive front tire wear problems by minor front end maintance and replacing > front tie rod ends (very nice ones sourced from Spit Bits). Anyway, shifting > got a little funny feeling towards the end of the first session Saturday > morning. Entering the pit lane I could not get the car into second gear, nor > first gear entering the paddock. Finally able to get first gear and made it > to our spot at which point the car jumped out of gear and made an aweful > grinding noise as the car popped out of first gear. Pulled the tunnel cover > to find tons of aluminum dust and bits of very small aluminum shavings all > over the trans and chassis rails. With no Tilton clutch spares or extra > flywheel on hand, no attempt was made to fix it out there in the heat and > dirt. I am eager to break everything down tonight to see what exactly > happened. but suspect something went wrong with the clutch and flywheel and > most definately something is terminal in that area. > I'll be looking for some help in this area once I figure out what exactly broke. This Tilton set-up came with the car and besides basic notes on clutch disk thicknesses and two part #'s, no real info on what all this stuff is and where it came from is known. I'm sure I will need some new parts and will be looking for info on what I need and where to get it. My first DNS... Beaten by equipment. Socially, a great FOT weekend hanging out for wine and cheese with Triumph Legends Bill Damndinger and Bob Wismer whose cars are beautifully prepared. A treat to talk about Laguna and FOT stuff with Joe Alexander. A Mexican fiesta with Murphy Racing, Barrs, Husmann, Tom Strange, and as always my main man GT6 Master John Reed. FOT Rules! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 # 27 From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 20 12:16:58 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:16:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] shirts and posters Message-ID: <8CDFD8D60E49D9C-125C-7C41@Webmail-m120.sysops.aol.com> FOT, There was an unexpected run on Laguna shirts at Blackhawk. This was good for me as it whittled down that godawful stack of various shirts. Do not shoot this volunteer. THERE IS: ONE ONLY 2XL LONG FOUR 2XL SHORT FOUR 3XL SHORT I might have 5 posters that are unspoken for. Those will go with any further shirt orders at no additional cost. There might be more shirts in California, but I dont know what is there.....We are looking for one for Barry Munson right now as he has paid already. The vendor that was engaged by John Nikas offered to print more shirts, but that should handled by the KCUP COMMITTEE out in California. First responders get the remaining shirts I have. Regards, BETWEEN A ROCK AND A SHIRT PLACE Joe A. From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jun 20 12:49:54 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:49:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms NOT a success Message-ID: <6f1a9.39fa4f0c.3b30f052@aol.com> In a message dated 06/20/2011 12:46:52 PM Central Daylight Time, sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes: > <---We had less success this weekend. Chased a bad miss all weekend and > ultimately popped a pushrod loose, shaving a bunch of aluminum off of > the rocker. Another rebuild on the way. The upside is that it freed up a > good coil for the Alexanders' efforts. Great work, guys! You looked very > good out there. > Presently having my ass kicked by equipment,---> When I consider the effort Scott Barr (papa Jerry, and Tom Strange) put into engine building and race car prep...sure seems like they ought to be beating all comers. No so this past week end however, but one can't help but be impressed by their fortitude. Trackside efforts even included a 300 mile trip back and forth to the Fox River Valley for parts. There was a time when Beady Eye racing used to perform such extraordinary efforts to keep a race car on the track. No more. When something breaks now, it's almost a relief to hide behind. Wismer's TR4 ran great, and my TR3 ran OK, but stopped wanting to go into 4th gear in the Saturday Sprint race, so I skipped the feature on Sunday. You can actually get into a nice, pleasant rhythm doing Blackhawk using just 2nd and 3rd gears, but you sure miss 4th on the two long straights. Our Wine & Cheese parties on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights were a great success. In addition to Vermont Cheddar, some Muenster, and our ever popular Mendora Bleu, we featured a new Wisconsin Brie from nearby Belmont. It was well received and went well on rye crisp crackers. Got to meet Jason Ostrowski's (GT6) family. He has two of the cutest little daughters, and both will talk your arm off. His wife's cute too. He's got more than his fair share of good looking women and thus is liable to cause a shortage. Blackhawk Farms Raceway has all of the elevation changes of a frozen lake, but its interesting collection of corners makes it a great 'driver's track' and premier club circuit. What a way to spend Father's Day. Bill Dentinger From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jun 20 12:49:11 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:49:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] valves, seat pressure and guide clearance? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D601@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Had a rough weekend, running the Spitfire at the Blackhawk Classic. I had a terrible miss which we chased all weekend. Substituting a new distributor, coil, plugs, wires, cap, rotors changed nothing. Changing needles had no effect (the EGTs showed one carb running well (1400 degrees) and one not well (1100 degrees), and the air-fuel meter showed VERY rich when the engine was running poorly. Ultimately, it started running on 3 cylinders and we discovered a pushrod popped loose (on #7, intake). Lots of aluminum in the upper end, done for the weekend, time for another rebuild. This is a 1296 small-crank motor, with an A-10-A cam, larger (Ford) lifters, roller rockers, APT's "full race" valve springs, etc. The A-10-A is a 0.517 lift, 265 duration. I spent the 3-hour drive home developing theories about what went wrong here. One theory is that the 100 pounds of seat pressure wasn't enough to keep the valves from floating and I ultimately popped the #6 pushrod loose. My notes from the head assembly show that we used 0.060" valve shims to get to 105-ish pounds of seat pressure. Full open pressure, according to the chart APT sent me, is 278 pounds. Another theory, floated by a more knowledgeable source than I, is that it was a sticking valve that caused both the miss and the popped pushrod. I've had a stuck valve with this engine before, leading to some pretty comprehensive damage. Jack always recommended a lot of valve guide clearance. The machinist I use (roundy-round V8 builder) really doesn't like to use a lot of clearance. I can't locate the spec he used on this head, but my recollection says it was something in the neighborhood of 0.0025". That could be wrong. The sticky valve theory might well be corroborated by the fact that one EGT was consistently low while the other was fine. So the questions: (1) should 100 pounds of seat pressure be sufficient? And (2) what's the right valve clearance to avoid sticking valves? Scott B. From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Mon Jun 20 13:08:15 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:08:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] shirts and posters In-Reply-To: <8CDFD8D60E49D9C-125C-7C41@Webmail-m120.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDFD8D60E49D9C-125C-7C41@Webmail-m120.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I brought back 21 shirts for Gee, Bruner, Knight, Shea, Shuman, Ascencio, Mizutani, Weins, Davis and 4 SCTOA people. Barry has one which leaves 7. I don't have any for myself yet but I'll take 2. There are 4 XL short sleeves and 1 L. If any of the guys mentioned do not want shirts let me know and That should free up some more. On Jun 20, 2011 11:34 AM, wrote: > FOT, > > There was an unexpected run on Laguna shirts at Blackhawk. > > This was good for me as it whittled down that godawful stack of various > shirts. > > Do not shoot this volunteer. > > THERE IS: > > ONE ONLY 2XL LONG > > FOUR 2XL SHORT > > FOUR 3XL SHORT > > I might have 5 posters that are unspoken for. > > Those will go with any further shirt orders at no additional cost. > > There might be more shirts in California, but I dont know what is there.....We > are looking for one for Barry Munson right now as he has paid already. > > The vendor that was engaged by John Nikas offered to print more shirts, but > that should handled by the KCUP COMMITTEE out in California. > > First responders get the remaining shirts I have. > > Regards, > > BETWEEN A ROCK AND A SHIRT PLACE > > Joe A. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jun 20 13:08:25 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:08:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems Message-ID: <000001cc2f7d$6f3fee60$4dbfcb20$@com> The first 2 practice sessions went really good with no problems. I got turns 4 and 5 figured out by using the advice from Tony Drews last year to throw away turn 3A and just line up for 4 and 5. The car was working really good through there then. In the qualifying session it was running really good again but about = way through the session accelerating in 3rd gear it would come up to 3000 RPM and then just hit a wall and not go any higher. Not missing, just not accelerating, then after a couple of seconds it would take off and run right up to 5000 or 5500. A bit later it did the same thing in 4th, up shift and it would only go so far and hang there and then after a couple second, take off again. It did this intermittently around the track. After about 2 laps of this I came in. We found the alternator was not putting out any voltage and further checking showed our Optima Red battery was 5-1/2 years old and low on voltage. We charged it before the sprint race and the car ran well for about 4 laps and then started the same problem. I came in early again. We did notice that the battery didnt seem to be charging right. That was the last session and we went into town and got a new Optima Red battery. We made sure it was fully charged by putting it on our charger in the motel room overnight. For the feature race on Sunday the car ran great, for about 10 or 11 of the 14 laps. Then the problem cropped up again, but not as bad. I was able to finish the race. We did check the resistance of the coil (Lucas Sport) just as I came off the track on Saturday and the primary was a little high, 3.5 ohms instead of the normal 2.9  3.0. In the feature race, the car was again really working good! I could really run hard and hold a good line through the corners with a lot of power. About midway through the tires started to go off (Speedsters) and it got harder to hold it in the corners and I finally had to back off a little. I was getting some wheel spin off of some of the corners which was a little odd as we have a Detroit Locker. Is there a way to check out the Locker by manually turning the wheels with the car off of the ground? And, is there anything to check by taking the cover off of the diff and looking in? A great weekend with my partner and son Ryan crewing this time. What a fantastic way to spend Fathers Day! And, no rain and dry paddock, a rarity at Blackhawk. My best lap, in the Feature, was a 1.31.2, 2.5 seconds better than my best lap time last year. So it was definitely a success for me! Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 20 13:16:38 2011 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Waterford Hills Vintage Message-ID: <787139.29082.qm@web80802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici, I talked to Jeff Snook yesterday at EyesOn Design Car Show in Grosse Pointe Shores, Michigan and discovered that the PR folks at Waterford haven't gotten the word out about their Vintage race 29-31 July. More information can be found at: www.waterfordhills.com and click on the vintage link. Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jun 20 14:53:53 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:53:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems Message-ID: <5c96.76157e17.3b310d61@aol.com> In a message dated 06/20/2011 2:30:28 PM Central Daylight Time, timmurph at fastbytes.com writes: > <<< We did check the > resistance of the coil (Lucas Sport) just as I came off the track on > Saturday and the primary was a little high, 3.5 ohms instead of the normal > 2.9  3.0. >>> > Tim...I am not sure what ignition system you are using, but some > electronic systems do not like a 'Sport Coil'. They much prefer a standard coil. > <<< I was getting some wheel spin off of some of the corners > which was a little odd as we have a Detroit Locker. Is there a way to > check > out the Locker by manually turning the wheels with the car off of the > ground? And, is there anything to check by taking the cover off of the > diff > and looking in? >> Tim...Yes: 1. Get both rear wheels off the ground and completely free; 2. Place transmission in gear; 3. With an assistant on the other side, start the test by rotating both wheels in a forward direction as far as possible (normally both wheels will be stopped after rotating only a few inches); 4. With one person firmly holding the right wheel forward (against the stop), rotate the left wheel rearward while listening for a regular indexing or clicking sound. (the right wheel must be held firmly against the stop or the left wheel will not disengage freely). 5. Now do the reverse and rotate both wheels rearward as far as possible (again both wheels will be stopped after rotating only a few inches); 6. Again with one person firmly holding the right wheel rearward (against the stop), rotate the left wheel forward while listening for a regular indexing or clicking sound. (the right wheel must be held firmly against the stop or the left wheel will not disengage freely). 7. REPEAT steps 3, 4, 5, and 6 only this time holding the left wheel firm during each process; Bill Dentinger From jkhagen at charter.net Mon Jun 20 15:07:11 2011 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Waterford Hills Vintage Message-ID: <437ecd6f.d000b.130aee0e231.Webtop.45@charter.net> FYI/FOT, SCCA and VSCR are racing at Brainerd 7/8- 7/9 Info at SCCA/LOL John Hagen On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Doug Mitchell wrote: > Amici, > > I talked to Jeff Snook yesterday at EyesOn Design Car Show in Grosse > Pointe Shores, Michigan > and discovered that the PR folks at Waterford haven't gotten the word > out about their Vintage > race 29-31 July. More information can be found at: > www.waterfordhills.com and click on the vintage > link. > > Doug Mitchell > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jun 20 15:59:13 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:59:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems In-Reply-To: <5c96.76157e17.3b310d61@aol.com> References: <5c96.76157e17.3b310d61@aol.com> Message-ID: <000601cc2f95$4b438310$e1ca8930$@com> Thanks Bill, that procedure is just what I was looking for. I thought there was probably a way to do it but didn't know how. Much appreciated. When Ryan comes out this week we will try that. We are using a standard points and coil ignition system. I'm starting to think that we should change to another type after spending a good part of this afternoon reading up on ignition systems on the internet. I amazed myself again at how much I didn't know! The coil charge time at 6000 RPM probably isn't enough to really saturate the core in the coil. At the very least I think I will increase the dwell on the points from the "nominal" 58 degrees to around 65 degrees. Seeing as how the engine is hardly ever under 2000 RPM I'm not too worried about over heating the coil at low RPM with too much charge current. I've got more research to do. What is on my mind though is that "back in the day", before there was electronic ignitions, I'm pretty sure folks were running 4 cylinder engines way past 6000 RPM with good results. Maybe they did some stuff I'm not aware of to accomplish that. Anybody on the list have any ideas on that? One last point, I just measured a standard TR4 coil primary resistance and it is 1.5 ohms. The 3 or 4 Lucas Sport coils I've measured are all about 3.0 ohms. I don't understand that either. Tim From: BillDentin at aol.com [mailto:BillDentin at aol.com] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 3:54 PM To: timmurph at fastbytes.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems In a message dated 06/20/2011 2:30:28 PM Central Daylight Time, timmurph at fastbytes.com writes: <<< We did check the resistance of the coil (Lucas Sport) just as I came off the track on Saturday and the primary was a little high, 3.5 ohms instead of the normal 2.9 3.0. >>> Tim...I am not sure what ignition system you are using, but some electronic systems do not like a 'Sport Coil'. They much prefer a standard coil. <<< I was getting some wheel spin off of some of the corners which was a little odd as we have a Detroit Locker. Is there a way to check out the Locker by manually turning the wheels with the car off of the ground? And, is there anything to check by taking the cover off of the diff and looking in? >> Tim...Yes: 1. Get both rear wheels off the ground and completely free; 2. Place transmission in gear; 3. With an assistant on the other side, start the test by rotating both wheels in a forward direction as far as possible (normally both wheels will be stopped after rotating only a few inches); 4. With one person firmly holding the right wheel forward (against the stop), rotate the left wheel rearward while listening for a regular indexing or clicking sound. (the right wheel must be held firmly against the stop or the left wheel will not disengage freely). 5. Now do the reverse and rotate both wheels rearward as far as possible (again both wheels will be stopped after rotating only a few inches); 6. Again with one person firmly holding the right wheel rearward (against the stop), rotate the left wheel forward while listening for a regular indexing or clicking sound. (the right wheel must be held firmly against the stop or the left wheel will not disengage freely). 7. REPEAT steps 3, 4, 5, and 6 only this time holding the left wheel firm during each process; Bill Dentinger From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jun 20 18:36:52 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:36:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems In-Reply-To: <000601cc2f95$4b438310$e1ca8930$@com> References: <5c96.76157e17.3b310d61@aol.com> <000601cc2f95$4b438310$e1ca8930$@com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > > Anybody on the list have any ideas on that? > > Tim, > My guess is that most everyone is going to tell you that electronic > ignition is the way to go. > It may very well be. > However, Maybe as devils advocate, My car has always had points, runs well > normally, in the 6000 to 7300 range and could do more if needed. > I have taken a simple philosophy with my car that seems to have been > serving me well. The guys that built it knew what they were doing and raced > it hard for 30 years. So in most cases, I put my attention on maintaining > it, "as raced" which already takes all the time and money that I have. I > keep a close eye on the wear in the distributor and have had none thus far. > In my case, and I may be a lucky one, I'm still on the same set of points > from its last professional rebuild at least 14 years ago (the car sat for 12 > years) so for me after 9 racing weekends so far... not a misfire yet. So > again, I thought I would change to electronic ignition as well. But, with > many spare sets of points and condensers remaining in the spares box. I > think I'll use them up before switching over just yet... Call me crazy?!? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing From billb at bnj.com Mon Jun 20 19:11:10 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:11:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems In-Reply-To: References: <5c96.76157e17.3b310d61@aol.com> <000601cc2f95$4b438310$e1ca8930$@com> Message-ID: I stuck with points on Peyote for years. I did, however, use a mallory dual point disty. The lucas distributors in my experience wear quickly and give inconsistent timing. A pertronix is the easiest way to fix that since the runout has little effect on the timing. But you need 14 V for them to work really well. If you don't have an alternator then you might have problems--at least they used to. Garmey fitted an alternator on Peyote so he could be sure I wouldn't have dead battery issues and so we could run electronics. I'm still arguing with him about it, but it's been dead reliable after some initial teething issues. On Jun 20, 2011, at 5:36 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > >> >> Anybody on the list have any ideas on that? >> >> Tim, >> My guess is that most everyone is going to tell you that electronic >> ignition is the way to go. >> It may very well be. >> However, Maybe as devils advocate, My car has always had points, runs well >> normally, in the 6000 to 7300 range and could do more if needed. >> I have taken a simple philosophy with my car that seems to have been >> serving me well. The guys that built it knew what they were doing and raced >> it hard for 30 years. So in most cases, I put my attention on maintaining >> it, "as raced" which already takes all the time and money that I have. I >> keep a close eye on the wear in the distributor and have had none thus far. >> In my case, and I may be a lucky one, I'm still on the same set of points >> from its last professional rebuild at least 14 years ago (the car sat for 12 >> years) so for me after 9 racing weekends so far... not a misfire yet. So >> again, I thought I would change to electronic ignition as well. But, with >> many spare sets of points and condensers remaining in the spares box. I >> think I'll use them up before switching over just yet... Call me crazy?!? >> >> Jason Ostrowski >> Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 skype: bill.babcockkenalu www.bnj.com From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net Mon Jun 20 20:38:36 2011 From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure In-Reply-To: <4DFF7800.1020504@comcast.net> References: <4DFF7800.1020504@comcast.net> Message-ID: <367333.22499.qm@web180315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Mine are from Spitbits. They were put on by the previous owner and so far - so good. Note the Spitbits has two different calipers available. The 'made in China' for $115 and the 'OE Quality' for $220. Mine are the later. Just curious. If you look at the fractured area, was it half shiny and half rusty. I've seen a few axles (stubs & solids) that look like that. Usually indicated that it was previously damaged by a hard impact and partially fractured, and later on failed from fatigue. Tim ________________________________ From: Jim Norlin To: FOT Sent: Mon, June 20, 2011 9:40:32 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure Yesterday, in the vintage race at Portland's Rose Cup races, my wife Patty, suffered a major brake failure of a front caliper. Both lugs sheared off. The bolts are still tight and hold the broken portions of the lugs to the upright. I cannot remember where I got these calipers, (can't find the receipt), but they were new last summer. I wasn't really impressed with them because the casting looked really rough, and they were a bit oversized - I had to grind off the outer corner to get them to clear the Panasport wheels. I'm passing this on as a word of warning to others. Can anyone recommend a source for good quality calipers? Thanks in advance - Jim Norlin _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/1964spitfire at pacbell.net -s From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jun 20 21:19:08 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:19:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems In-Reply-To: <230694.87042.qm@web180316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <5c96.76157e17.3b310d61@aol.com> <000601cc2f95$4b438310$e1ca8930$@com> <230694.87042.qm@web180316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000d01cc2fc1$fd580720$f8081560$@com> Good point. I'm going to check the workshop manual schematic and see what it shows and also Ryan's street TR4 and see what it has in it. Tim From: Tim Pettenati [mailto:pettenat at pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 9:51 PM To: Tim Murphy Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems The Lucas Sport is designed to be used without a ballast resistor. The originals TR4 must have been designed to be used with a 1.5 ohm ballast. Tim _____ From: Tim Murphy One last point, I just measured a standard TR4 coil primary resistance and it is 1.5 ohms. The 3 or 4 Lucas Sport coils I've measured are all about 3.0 ohms. I don't understand that either. Tim From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Jun 20 21:56:19 2011 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 03:56:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems In-Reply-To: <1599692674.1829675.1308628530876.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1976038557.1829702.1308628579963.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hey guys, I recently had a stock distributor rebuild and upgraded by Jeff at Advanced Distributors for my TR3A, after reading Kas' new book. It's looks as nice as it possibly could be. I haven't run it yet, but I'm confident it will work great. Jeff said his rebuilds are about 50/50, points/electronic for race car rebuilds and both systems have their own issues. I went with Pertronics. If you're curious, check out his websites' many testimonials on cars being awakened by his work. A worksheet is sent with the dist. regarding your engine build and he sets them up for that engine. He'll do recurves for $20 if you change something. The price was great with cap and wires included. Regards, Dave Hogye NFI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Jason Ostrowski" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 6:11:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems I stuck with points on Peyote for years. I did, however, use a mallory dual point disty. The lucas distributors in my experience wear quickly and give inconsistent timing. A pertronix is the easiest way to fix that since the runout has little effect on the timing. But you need 14 V for them to work really well. If you don't have an alternator then you might have problems--at least they used to. Garmey fitted an alternator on Peyote so he could be sure I wouldn't have dead battery issues and so we could run electronics. I'm still arguing with him about it, but it's been dead reliable after some initial teething issues. On Jun 20, 2011, at 5:36 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > >> >> Anybody on the list have any ideas on that? >> >> Tim, >> My guess is that most everyone is going to tell you that electronic >> ignition is the way to go. >> It may very well be. >> However, Maybe as devils advocate, My car has always had points, runs well >> normally, in the 6000 to 7300 range and could do more if needed. >> I have taken a simple philosophy with my car that seems to have been >> serving me well. The guys that built it knew what they were doing and raced >> it hard for 30 years. So in most cases, I put my attention on maintaining >> it, "as raced" which already takes all the time and money that I have. I >> keep a close eye on the wear in the distributor and have had none thus far. >> In my case, and I may be a lucky one, I'm still on the same set of points >> from its last professional rebuild at least 14 years ago (the car sat for 12 >> years) so for me after 9 racing weekends so far... not a misfire yet. So >> again, I thought I would change to electronic ignition as well. But, with >> many spare sets of points and condensers remaining in the spares box. I >> think I'll use them up before switching over just yet... Call me crazy?!? >> >> Jason Ostrowski >> Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 skype: bill.babcockkenalu www.bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From haretoday at comcast.net Mon Jun 20 23:19:19 2011 From: haretoday at comcast.net (haretoday at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 05:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure In-Reply-To: <367333.22499.qm@web180315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <511022402.1516684.1308633559676.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hi Jim and Patty What a scary moment that has to be.B I've been sending my original calipers and cylinders to Goldline Brakes in Seattle to get overhauled.B A knowledgeable and skilled one man shop..B And the cost isn't that much different. Jim-see you at Baxter's SteveB B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Pettenati" <1964spitfire at pacbell.net> To: "Jim Norlin" , "FOT" Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 7:38:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure Jim, Mine are from Spitbits. They were put on by the previous owner and so far - so good. B Note the Spitbits has two different calipers available. B The 'made in China' for $115 and the 'OE Quality' for $220. B Mine are the later. Just curious. If you look at the fractured area, was it half shiny and half rusty. B I've seen a few axles (stubs & solids) that look like that. B Usually indicated that it was previously damaged by a hard impact and partially fractured, and later on failed from fatigue. Tim ________________________________ From: Jim Norlin To: FOT Sent: Mon, June 20, 2011 9:40:32 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure Yesterday, in the vintage race at Portland's Rose Cup races, my wife Patty, suffered a major brake failure of a front caliper. B Both lugs sheared off. B The bolts are still tight and hold the broken portions of the lugs to the upright. B I cannot remember where I got these calipers, (can't find the receipt), but they were new last summer. B I wasn't really impressed with them because the casting looked really rough, and they were a bit oversized - I had to grind off the outer corner to get them to clear the Panasport wheels. I'm passing this on as a word of warning to others. Can anyone recommend a source for good quality calipers? Thanks in advance - Jim Norlin _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/1964spitfire at pacbell.net -s _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/haretoday at comcast.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 21 07:05:06 2011 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems In-Reply-To: <1976038557.1829702.1308628579963.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1976038557.1829702.1308628579963.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <166027.73625.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I recently did the same thing after an ignition failure this Spring at VIR. My Lucas dizzy came back from Advanced Distributor looking like a work of art.... not dizzy any more. Dennis p.s. I stopped at Dave Hogye's place in Santa Cruz on my way to the Kastner Cup - he has the nicest TR3 race car that I have ever seen. I can't wait to see it on the track. Hey guys, I recently had a stock distributor rebuild and upgraded by Jeff at Advanced Distributors for my TR3A, after reading Kas' new book. It's looks as nice as it possibly could be. I haven't run it yet, but I'm confident it will work great. Jeff said his rebuilds are about 50/50, points/electronic for race car rebuilds and both systems have their own issues. I went with Pertronics. If you're curious, check out his websites' many testimonials on cars being awakened by his work. A worksheet is sent with the dist. regarding your engine build and he sets them up for that engine. He'll do recurves for $20 if you change something. The price was great with cap and wires included. Regards, Dave Hogye NFI From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jun 21 08:18:43 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:18:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Advanced Performance Technologies RIVERSIDE, CA In-Reply-To: <8CDFE350115EA4D-22A0-3A242@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D5FE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050D326F@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D61E@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <8CDFE350115EA4D-22A0-3A242@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDFE3542EB0CF5-22A0-3A29C@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> Just a note: APT is Dave Anton and Dave is moving into wetsleeve engines, in addition to BMC and Spitfire engines. He has an expansive and comprehensive machine shop and clean room. Cam grinding and dyno work are included in his activities. He is a member of British Motor Trade Association and can be found in the BMTA membership directory. The membership directory contains other names that you might find interesting. Others may have a few words about APT. I visited his shop last November and usually see him at BMTA meetings. Joe A ubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/cwe/n197tr4 at cs.com From horizonracing at msn.com Tue Jun 21 10:20:28 2011 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:20:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Advanced Performance Technologies RIVERSIDE, CA In-Reply-To: <8CDFE3542EB0CF5-22A0-3A29C@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D5FE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050D326F@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local>, <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D61E@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>, <8CDFE350115EA4D-22A0-3A242@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com>, <8CDFE3542EB0CF5-22A0-3A29C@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: As a side note: www.horizonracing.com Tony Garmey who restored the TR 250K (and drives it), care taker of Bill Harts Devin TR and Bill Babcocks Peyote plus TR4's and a TR 3 also in the stable. We do custom and one off type projects not limited too but including tubular sway bars ,lite weight widets and things, Engine/g-box/diff rebuilds, Arrive n drive track side service, full restorations, driver training. From Can am to Formula vee, Lotus, Brabham, Cooper, Lola, McLaren, MG, (PA,PB, Magna, MGB's), porsche, Lister and we even have a straight axle 62 corvette. Please PM me if you have any questions or projects you wish to discuss. Thanks Tony Garmey > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:18:43 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] Advanced Performance Technologies RIVERSIDE, CA > > Just a note: > > > > > > > > > > > APT is Dave Anton and Dave is moving into wetsleeve engines, in addition to > BMC and Spitfire engines. > > He has an expansive and comprehensive machine shop and clean room. > > Cam grinding and dyno work are included in his activities. > > He is a member of British Motor Trade Association and can be found in the BMTA > membership directory. The membership directory contains other names that you > might find interesting. > > Others may have a few words about APT. I visited his shop last November and > usually see him at BMTA meetings. > > Joe A > > > > > > > > > > > ubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/cwe/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jun 21 11:55:42 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:55:42 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa Summer Classic 2011 with CSCC In-Reply-To: References: <008e01cc27a9$0aa95e90$1ffc1bb0$@camoletti.ch>, <002f01cc29f5$dd32ebd0$9798c370$@com> Message-ID: <003401cc303c$72399890$56acc9b0$@com> There are some photos available: http://www.triumph-competition.de/fotos/2011 Cheers Chris From stutzmans at comcast.net Tue Jun 21 11:56:24 2011 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:56:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms NOT a success In-Reply-To: <6f1a9.39fa4f0c.3b30f052@aol.com> References: <6f1a9.39fa4f0c.3b30f052@aol.com> Message-ID: Bill, I miss your wine & cheese parties at Watkins Glen some years ago. Alas, nobody goes to Watkins anymore. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms NOT a success > In a message dated 06/20/2011 12:46:52 PM Central Daylight Time, > sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes: > > >> <---We had less success this weekend. Chased a bad miss all weekend and >> ultimately popped a pushrod loose, shaving a bunch of aluminum off of >> the rocker. Another rebuild on the way. The upside is that it freed up >> a >> good coil for the Alexanders' efforts. Great work, guys! You looked >> very >> good out there. >> Presently having my ass kicked by equipment,---> > > When I consider the effort Scott Barr (papa Jerry, and Tom Strange) put > into engine building and race car prep...sure seems like they ought to be > beating all comers. No so this past week end however, but one can't help > but be > impressed by their fortitude. Trackside efforts even included a 300 mile > trip back and forth to the Fox River Valley for parts. There was a time > when > Beady Eye racing used to perform such extraordinary efforts to keep a race > car on the track. No more. When something breaks now, it's almost a > relief > to hide behind. Wismer's TR4 ran great, and my TR3 ran OK, but stopped > wanting to go into 4th gear in the Saturday > Sprint race, so I skipped the feature on Sunday. You can actually get > into > a nice, pleasant rhythm doing Blackhawk using just 2nd and 3rd gears, but > you sure miss 4th on the two long straights. > > Our Wine & Cheese parties on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights were a > great success. In addition to Vermont Cheddar, some Muenster, and our > ever > popular Mendora Bleu, we featured a new Wisconsin Brie from nearby > Belmont. > It was well received and went well on rye crisp crackers. Got to meet > Jason > Ostrowski's (GT6) family. He has two of the cutest little daughters, and > both will talk your arm off. His wife's cute too. He's got more than his > fair share of good looking women and thus is liable to cause a shortage. > > Blackhawk Farms Raceway has all of the elevation changes of a frozen lake, > but its interesting collection of corners makes it a great 'driver's > track' > and premier club circuit. What a way to spend Father's Day. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From ac at camoletti.ch Wed Jun 22 00:14:57 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:14:57 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Advanced Distributors, great work! Message-ID: <011601cc30a3$b62cbed0$22863c70$@camoletti.ch> Indeed, I got 2 distributors rebuilt by Jeff (www.advanceddistributors.com) recently, one for the TR3 the other for an early Turbo Esprit with dry sump engine and Jeff sent me back beautiful pieces with custom curves as both are prepped engines. As Dennis writes: works of art ! Kind of miracle when you know how they looked (and worked) before... Jeff has a tremendous knowledge and top notch workmanship, and is a very nice friendly chap as well ! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Dennis DeLap Envoyi : mardi 21 juin 2011 15:05 @ : davehogye; Bill Babcock Cc : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Advanced Distributors, great work! I recently did the same thing after an ignition failure this Spring at VIR. My Lucas dizzy came back from Advanced Distributor looking like a work of art.... not dizzy any more. Dennis p.s. I stopped at Dave Hogye's place in Santa Cruz on my way to the Kastner Cup - he has the nicest TR3 race car that I have ever seen. I can't wait to see it on the track. Hey guys, I recently had a stock distributor rebuild and upgraded by Jeff at Advanced Distributors for my TR3A, after reading Kas' new book. It's looks as nice as it possibly could be. I haven't run it yet, but I'm confident it will work great. Jeff said his rebuilds are about 50/50, points/electronic for race car rebuilds and both systems have their own issues. I went with Pertronics. If you're curious, check out his websites' many testimonials on cars being awakened by his work. A worksheet is sent with the dist. regarding your engine build and he sets them up for that engine. He'll do recurves for $20 if you change something. The price was great with cap and wires included. Regards, Dave Hogye NFI _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed Jun 22 09:29:41 2011 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Advanced Distributors, great work! In-Reply-To: <011601cc30a3$b62cbed0$22863c70$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <2010456766.10650.1308756581322.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I would concur with both David and Alex regarding Advanced Distributors. I spoke with Jeff about my TR4 racercar, answered a few questions for him about engine specs and a couple of weeks later I had a new Lucas distributor with Pertronix on my doorstep with a custom advance curve. I bought a second unit as a back up and would certainly recommend Jeff's company - good work, fast service and excellent product. Gary 1962 TR4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexandre Camoletti" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:14:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Advanced Distributors, great work! Indeed, I got 2 distributors rebuilt by Jeff (www.advanceddistributors.com) recently, one for the TR3 the other for an early Turbo Esprit with dry sump engine and Jeff sent me back beautiful pieces with custom curves as both are prepped engines. As Dennis writes: works of art ! Kind of miracle when you know how they looked (and worked) before... Jeff has a tremendous knowledge and top notch workmanship, and is a very nice friendly chap as well ! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Dennis DeLap Envoyi : mardi 21 juin 2011 15:05 @ : davehogye; Bill Babcock Cc : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Advanced Distributors, great work! I recently did the same thing after an ignition failure this Spring at VIR. My Lucas dizzy came back from Advanced Distributor looking like a work of art.... not dizzy any more. Dennis p.s. I stopped at Dave Hogye's place in Santa Cruz on my way to the Kastner Cup - he has the nicest TR3 race car that I have ever seen. I can't wait to see it on the track. Hey guys, I recently had a stock distributor rebuild and upgraded by Jeff at Advanced Distributors for my TR3A, after reading Kas' new book. It's looks as nice as it possibly could be. I haven't run it yet, but I'm confident it will work great. Jeff said his rebuilds are about 50/50, points/electronic for race car rebuilds and both systems have their own issues. I went with Pertronics. If you're curious, check out his websites' many testimonials on cars being awakened by his work. A worksheet is sent with the dist. regarding your engine build and he sets them up for that engine. He'll do recurves for $20 if you change something. The price was great with cap and wires included. Regards, Dave Hogye NFI _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintage.racer at comcast.net From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Jun 22 09:44:27 2011 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:44:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor Message-ID: <5BCF4D0FF62442F6BB05982DDD14C4FA@your89d26e0447> ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Solow To: Greg Solow Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:39 AM Subject: new oil infor Hello, A lot of racers are still using engine oils that are very low in the extreme pressure additives ZDDP and the diesel oil is NO longer good to use even with a can of ZDDP added to it. The "SM and SN" rated oils are ONLY good for the newer stock engines with roller rockers or tappets. Joe Gibbs race oil, Red Line racing, Swepco, Brad Pen with the proper classifications are about the only oils to use with flat tappet or OHC engines. other good oils that we know of are Torco, Valvolene Racing (FOR OFF ROAD USE ONLY)-------- The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Jun 22 11:45:56 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Lucas electrical explained! Message-ID: <1217484672.1481558.1308764756391.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> ELECTRICAL THEORY BY JOSEPH LUCAS Positive ground depends on proper circuit functioning, which is the transmission of negative ions by retention of the visible spectral manifestation known as bsmokeb. Smoke is the thing that makes electrical circuits work. We know this to be true because every time one lets the smoke out of an electrical circuit, it stops working. This can be verified repeatedly through empirical testing. For example, if one places a copper bar across the terminals of a battery, prodigious quantities of smoke are liberated and the battery shortly ceases to function. In addition, if one observes smoke escaping from an electrical component such as a Lucas voltage regulator, it will also be observed that the component no longer functions. The logic is elementary and inescapable! The function of the wiring harness is to conduct the smoke from one device to another. When the wiring springs a leak and lets all the smoke out of the system, nothing works afterward. Starter motors were considered unsuitable for British motorcycles for some time largely because they consumed large quantities of smoke, requiring very unsightly large wires. It has been reported that Lucas electrical components are possibly more prone to electrical leakage than their Bosch, Japanese or American counterparts. Experts point out that this is because Lucas is British, and all things British leak. British engines leak oil, British shock absorbers, hydraulic forks and disk brake systems leak fluid, British tires leak air and British Intelligence leaks national defense secrets. Therefore, it follows that British electrical systems must leak smoke. Once again, the logic is clear and inescapable. In conclusion, the basic concept of transmission of electrical energy in the form of smoke provides a logical explanation of the mysteries of electrical components especially British units manufactured by Joseph Lucas, Ltd. And remember: bA gentleman does not motor about after dark.b Joseph Lucas bThe Prince of Darknessb 1842-1903 A few Lucas quips: The Lucas motto: bGet home before dark.b Lucas is the patent holder for the short circuit. Lucas - Inventor of the first intermittent wiper. Lucas - Inventor of the self-dimming headlamp. The three-position Lucas switch--DIM, FLICKER and OFF. The other three switch settings--SMOKE, SMOLDER and IGNITE. The Original Anti-Theft Device - Lucas Electrics. If Lucas made guns, wars would not start Q: Why do the British drink warm beer? A: Because Lucas makes their refrigerators. This has been referred to as the smoke theory - when the smoke comes out it's finished, cooked or done for. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Jun 22 14:32:10 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:32:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure In-Reply-To: <511022402.1516684.1308633559676.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <511022402.1516684.1308633559676.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4E02514A.7000904@comcast.net> According to Patty, it actually wasn't all that scary. It happened in turn 7. Apparently the caliper lugs broke under braking, but because of the clamping force on the disk, didn't move until after the brakes were released. She heard a clunk between turns 7 & 8 and then slowed down trying to figure out what it was. She tried the brakes on the back straight and since by this time only the rears were still working (the adapter tube into the caliper twisted and broke, releasing fluid) she slowly pulled into the pits. I ordered a set of rebuilt Girlings from TSI today. On 6/20/2011 10:19 PM, haretoday at comcast.net wrote: > > Hi Jim and Patty > > What a scary moment that has to be. > > I've been sending my original calipers and cylinders to Goldline > Brakes in Seattle to get overhauled. A knowledgeable and skilled one > man shop.. And the cost isn't that much different. > > Jim-see you at Baxter's > > Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Pettenati" <1964spitfire at pacbell.net> > To: "Jim Norlin" , "FOT" > > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 7:38:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure > > Jim, > > Mine are from Spitbits. They were put on by the previous owner and so > far - so > good. Note the Spitbits has two different calipers available. The > 'made in > China' for $115 and the 'OE Quality' for $220. Mine are the later. > Just curious. If you look at the fractured area, was it half shiny and > half > rusty. I've seen a few axles (stubs & solids) that look like that. > Usually > indicated that it was previously damaged by a hard impact and partially > fractured, and later on failed from fatigue. > > Tim > ________________________________ > From: Jim Norlin > > To: FOT > Sent: Mon, June > 20, 2011 9:40:32 AM > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure > > Yesterday, > in the vintage race at Portland's Rose Cup races, my wife Patty, > suffered a > major brake failure of a front caliper. Both lugs sheared off. The > bolts > are still tight and hold the broken portions of the lugs to the upright. > I > cannot remember where I got these calipers, (can't find the receipt), > but they > were new last summer. I wasn't really impressed with them because the > casting > looked really rough, and they were a bit oversized - I had to grind > off the > outer corner to get them to clear the Panasport wheels. > > I'm passing this on > as a word of warning to others. > > Can anyone recommend a source for good > quality calipers? > > > Thanks in advance - Jim Norlin > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/1964spitfire at pacbell.net > > > -s > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/haretoday at comcast.net From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jun 22 18:08:44 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:08:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Tilton clutch and flywheel setup Message-ID: Amici, The assessment: Last weekend at Blackhawk farms I had a major aluminum flywheel failure. The ring gear and flywheel became two separate pieces and (the ring gear) bounced around like a hoola hoop inside the bell housing turning much of the flywheel into fine aluminum dust. It destroyed the Starter and significantly "filed down" the inside if the bell housing. On the plus side the Tilton Clutch appears unharmed as well as the Trans, input shaft, etc. looking all O.K. So with all parts I need on the shelf except the Trick Tilton Flywheel, I am looking for a replacement. I suspect the clutch and flywheel set up I have to be from the late seventies or early eighties. (as race notes from the early - mid eighties notate the regular replacement of Tilton cluch disk packs). The clutch has a gold colored case, 2 disks, and 6 mounting bolts to the flywheel. I contacted Tilton Industries today and they do not have the flywheel in stock (no real surprise) and do not make aluminum flywheels for this application anymore. They recommended a company from Califoria (Anaheim) called AASCO Motorsports that is a Tilton distributor and handles these types of orders on a regular basis. AASCO is involved with racing and specialize in Custom Flywheels especially with Tilton applications. Contacted them and they will make me a duplicate of the one I have...Send them the old tattered flywheel and clutch and they will make new aluminum one. The Question: Is there a FoT member with a source for the flywheel I need? Or perhaps someone from our group who also could make me the Flywheel? Most importantly, I need it as soon as possible... because I NEED TO RACE! Thanks for Any recommendation for a better source or if I should just send it out to AASCO Motorsports? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 23 09:36:21 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] LEAK DOWN TESTING CRANKCASE PRESSURES In-Reply-To: <8CDFFD183C57D7A-17A4-7451D@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDFFD183C57D7A-17A4-7451D@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDFFD26FBC8DFB-17A4-7461A@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> FOT This seems like it may be a good topic. I was getting an undue amount of crankcase pressure at Topeka.(Just now trying to find the time to sort out) At idle there are absolutely no engine oil leaks. At 60-100mph the oil is being pushed out in huge amounts. at every possible location. This occurs in spite of otherwise very effective vacuum system we have used with great success on the TR4 #197 Have never done a leak down test in all of these years or had one done. No experience at all. Results: 100/85 100/80 100/60 100/60 Pretty dismal readings if I did it correctly. Head is off and new rings to be installed. The benefit of FOT experience and knowledge would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! JOE A. From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jun 23 10:08:52 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:08:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LEAK DOWN TESTING CRANKCASE PRESSURES In-Reply-To: <8CDFFD26FBC8DFB-17A4-7461A@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDFFD183C57D7A-17A4-7451D@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> <8CDFFD26FBC8DFB-17A4-7461A@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: when I did this recently, i discovered I had to remove the rocker assembly to get good readings, as the air pressure pushed the pistons to BDC and at that point, one of the valves was always either starting to open or still closing with the cam I have. Did not seem to be a safe way to hold the crank at TDC where a closed valve reading would have been possible with the valve train installed. Assume you figured this out, but just to check the obvious . . . I had had the engine overheat and a head gasket fail when I lost an alternator pulley and was not watching my gauges (this car never overheated before . . . ). I had the head milled slightly to get rid of warp, but the machinist and I thought the valves and seats looked pretty good and just lapped them in. Turns out this was not enough and leak-down results were still crappy because the heat had distorted the valves and seats. Took the head apart again, recut the valve seats and valve faces, put it back together, incredible results with a worst cylinder 4% leak-down, and that's with no ring or cylinder work. Good luck! Scott GT6 On Jun 23, 2011, at 11:36 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: FOT This seems like it may be a good topic. I was getting an undue amount of crankcase pressure at Topeka.(Just now trying to find the time to sort out) At idle there are absolutely no engine oil leaks. At 60-100mph the oil is being pushed out in huge amounts. at every possible location. This occurs in spite of otherwise very effective vacuum system we have used with great success on the TR4 #197 Have never done a leak down test in all of these years or had one done. No experience at all. Results: 100/85 100/80 100/60 100/60 Pretty dismal readings if I did it correctly. Head is off and new rings to be installed. The benefit of FOT experience and knowledge would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! JOE A. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net Thu Jun 23 10:12:57 2011 From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics July 8-10 Message-ID: <979722.72161.qm@web180309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Great event. My wife and I usually attend as race officials, but unfortunately can't make it this year. If you've thought about running this event but haven't applied, now would be a good time. I spoke with Cris recently and he'd be happier if the grids were a bit fuller. So I thought I'd pass that along to the FoT. If you can't do the road course, the car club corral & auto-cross is another option. http://www.portlandhistorics.com/ Cheers, Tim From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 23 10:19:52 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] LEAK DOWN TESTING CRANKCASE PRESSURES In-Reply-To: References: <8CDFFD183C57D7A-17A4-7451D@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com><8CDFFD26FBC8DFB-17A4-7461A@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDFFD88420ACA8-1950-54B79@webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com> with our cam we were able to hold the crank in place and get readings. made mistake in not checking compression before removing head, but it is an extremely low time head. will be interested in peoples thoughts on my leak down outcomes with respect to crankcase pressures at speed. thanks Scott, Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: Joe Alexander ; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:09 am Subject: Re: [Fot] LEAK DOWN TESTING CRANKCASE PRESSURES when I did this recently, i discovered I had to remove the rocker assembly to get good readings, as the air pressure pushed the pistons to BDC and at that point, one of the valves was always either starting to open or still closing with the cam I have. Did not seem to be a safe way to hold the crank at TDC where a closed valve reading would have been possible with the valve train installed. Assume you figured this out, but just to check the obvious . . . I had had the engine overheat and a head gasket fail when I lost an alternator pulley and was not watching my gauges (this car never overheated before . . . ). I had the head milled slightly to get rid of warp, but the machinist and I thought the valves and seats looked pretty good and just lapped them in. Turns out this was not enough and leak-down results were still crappy because the heat had distorted the valves and seats. Took the head apart again, recut the valve seats and valve faces, put it back together, incredible results with a worst cylinder 4% leak-down, and that's with no ring or cylinder work. Good luck! Scott GT6 On Jun 23, 2011, at 11:36 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: FOT This seems like it may be a good topic. I was getting an undue amount of crankcase pressure at Topeka.(Just now trying to find the time to sort out) At idle there are absolutely no engine oil leaks. At 60-100mph the oil is being pushed out in huge amounts. at every possible location. This occurs in spite of otherwise very effective vacuum system we have used with great success on the TR4 #197 Have never done a leak down test in all of these years or had one done. No experience at all. Results: 100/85 100/80 100/60 100/60 Pretty dismal readings if I did it correctly. Head is off and new rings to be installed. The benefit of FOT experience and knowledge would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! JOE A. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jun 23 14:42:37 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:42:37 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LEAK DOWN TESTING CRANKCASE PRESSURES In-Reply-To: <8CDFFD26FBC8DFB-17A4-7461A@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDFFD183C57D7A-17A4-7451D@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> <8CDFFD26FBC8DFB-17A4-7461A@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001501cc31e6$19709730$4c51c590$@com> It very depends on the gauge you are using. My own gauge do read 90-60% leak on every cylinder. Another gauge shows 10-30%. Which one is right? I still run the engine as is. My engine started to leak badly after during the last race. Cause was a check valve failure on the crank case evacuation system. A new one is on the way and I hope the leak is gone with it. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Juni 2011 17:36 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] LEAK DOWN TESTING CRANKCASE PRESSURES FOT This seems like it may be a good topic. I was getting an undue amount of crankcase pressure at Topeka.(Just now trying to find the time to sort out) At idle there are absolutely no engine oil leaks. At 60-100mph the oil is being pushed out in huge amounts. at every possible location. This occurs in spite of otherwise very effective vacuum system we have used with great success on the TR4 #197 Have never done a leak down test in all of these years or had one done. No experience at all. Results: 100/85 100/80 100/60 100/60 Pretty dismal readings if I did it correctly. Head is off and new rings to be installed. The benefit of FOT experience and knowledge would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! JOE A. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From cwnfot at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 19:06:51 2011 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:06:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure In-Reply-To: <511022402.1516684.1308633559676.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <367333.22499.qm@web180315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <511022402.1516684.1308633559676.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <006601cc320b$018b09a0$04a11ce0$@com> Interesting that there are reproduction calipers being made. Are we saying that OEM calipers are no longer available for rebuilding? Are we talking GT6 calipers here or some level of Spitfire? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From alan at nosbritishparts.com Fri Jun 24 07:00:08 2011 From: alan at nosbritishparts.com (Alan ...) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 06:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure In-Reply-To: <006601cc320b$018b09a0$04a11ce0$@com> Message-ID: <110012.46388.qm@web1102.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> I think that is simply a matter of cost. I can buy these calipers for less than $80.00 each. I cannot rebuild them for that price considering my shop rate. I'm sure that I have recycled hundreds of rebuildable calipers over the last thirty years. But then I don't recall a later Lockheed or Girling caliper that could not be rebuilt. And I have never seen an original break under racing conditions. Alan at English Engine --- On Thu, 6/23/11, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 9:06 PM Interesting that there are reproduction calipers being made. Are we saying that OEM calipers are no longer available for rebuilding? Are we talking GT6 calipers here or some level of Spitfire? From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri Jun 24 11:24:55 2011 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 Message-ID: <43804.62025.qm@web180611.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi All, just checking to see if anyone has any experience with using a MSD 6al ignition box in a TR6. MSD says that their unit doesn't work with an odd fire engine. Seems like a TR6 engine is odd fire but I'm not sure. Apparently one test as to whether or not an engine is truely odd fire is to observe the configuration of the point cams in the distributor. The TR6 points cams appear to me to be even fire. This is on a 1974 TR6 that currently runs an electonic ignitor and hot coil I got from The Roadster Factory. I have added triple 40 DCOE Webers so I'm looking for the best spark I can get. Thanks for any thoughts, Jim From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri Jun 24 12:31:27 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:31:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 Message-ID: I've been using the 6AL for about fifteen years now so if it doesn't work I've now got much better excuses for those races I lost. Thanx for that! That said, we've seen some pretty weird failures on them so carry a spare. It says a lot when they sell a dual unit setup for NASCAR. Oh BTW, mines on a GT6 racer. In a message dated 6/24/2011 11:28:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sherryjimmy6116 at att.net writes: Hi All, just checking to see if anyone has any experience with using a MSD 6al ignition box in a TR6. MSD says that their unit doesn't work with an odd fire engine. Seems like a TR6 engine is odd fire but I'm not sure. Apparently one test as to whether or not an engine is truely odd fire is to observe the configuration of the point cams in the distributor. The TR6 points cams appear to me to be even fire. This is on a 1974 TR6 that currently runs an electonic ignitor and hot coil I got from The Roadster Factory. I have added triple 40 DCOE Webers so I'm looking for the best spark I can get. Thanks for any thoughts, Jim _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From goodparts at verizon.net Fri Jun 24 13:18:11 2011 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:18:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 In-Reply-To: <43804.62025.qm@web180611.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <43804.62025.qm@web180611.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Working fine on my two TR6's. First had it triggered by points and now it is working even better triggered by a Pertronics in the distributor. Don't use more than 32,000 or maybe 40,000 volt coil or it will arc from post to post in the cap. Richard Good ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 1:24 PM Subject: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 > Hi All, just checking to see if anyone has any experience with using a MSD > 6al > ignition box in a TR6. MSD says that their unit doesn't work with an odd > fire > engine. Seems like a TR6 engine is odd fire but I'm not sure. Apparently > one > test as to whether or not an engine is truely odd fire is to observe the > configuration of the point cams in the distributor. The TR6 points cams > appear > to me to be even fire. > > This is on a 1974 TR6 that currently runs an > electonic ignitor and hot coil I > got from The Roadster Factory. I have added > triple 40 DCOE Webers so I'm > looking for the best spark I can get. > > Thanks > for any thoughts, Jim From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri Jun 24 17:05:29 2011 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] On the MSD subject Message-ID: <962491.58551.qm@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks for the input on the MSD ignition. For some reason that odd fire question is floating around. Does anyone happen to know if the MSD 6al-2 (#6421) digital ignition unit is any more reliable or considerably better for other reasons than the previous analog unit (6al - #6420). The digital unit costs half again more but if reliability increases, it could be well worth it. Thanks, Jim From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jun 25 07:46:11 2011 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 08:46:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor References: <5BCF4D0FF62442F6BB05982DDD14C4FA@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: Greg, Are you saying the street legal VR1 sold at most auto parts stores isn't OK? They put the ZDDP back into the formula and are putting little yellow labels on to promote it. I've had success with it. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Friends of Triumph" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Greg Solow > To: Greg Solow > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:39 AM > Subject: new oil infor > > > > > Hello, A lot of racers are still using engine oils that are very low in > the > extreme pressure additives ZDDP and the diesel oil is NO longer good to > use > even with a can of ZDDP added to it. The "SM and SN" rated oils are ONLY > good > for the newer stock engines with roller rockers or tappets. Joe Gibbs race > oil, Red Line racing, Swepco, Brad Pen with the proper classifications are > about the only oils to use with flat tappet or OHC engines. other good > oils > that we know of are Torco, Valvolene Racing (FOR OFF ROAD USE > ONLY)-------- > > The Engine Room > Morgan & Sports Car Specialists > Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 > 831 429-1800 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Jun 25 14:04:10 2011 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] travel through Canada Message-ID: <8CE018A2E8C63E2-1080-114CA@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> Amici FOTer's , Advice for travel through Canada towing my racecar, anything to plan for ( do's and don'ts ) ?? Sincere thanks, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat Jun 25 14:51:31 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 14:51:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20110625205441.8DACE18789C@autox.team.net> I thought there were two types of VR-1, one being full synth. The VR-1 that I've used says ZDDP added. I'm using Brad Penn now, Joe Gibbs would be great except for the 15.00 per Qt. part. If you want to talk oil and clearances call the Joe Gibbs tech line. Lake Speed will be the one answering and he really knows motors and oil. Jim G -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:46 AM To: Greg Solow; Friends of Triumph; triumphs at autox.team.net; MOG-GROUP at GOOGLE.COM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor Greg, Are you saying the street legal VR1 sold at most auto parts stores isn't OK? They put the ZDDP back into the formula and are putting little yellow labels on to promote it. I've had success with it. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Friends of Triumph" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Greg Solow > To: Greg Solow > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:39 AM > Subject: new oil infor > > > > > Hello, A lot of racers are still using engine oils that are very low in > the > extreme pressure additives ZDDP and the diesel oil is NO longer good to > use > even with a can of ZDDP added to it. The "SM and SN" rated oils are ONLY > good > for the newer stock engines with roller rockers or tappets. Joe Gibbs race > oil, Red Line racing, Swepco, Brad Pen with the proper classifications are > about the only oils to use with flat tappet or OHC engines. other good > oils > that we know of are Torco, Valvolene Racing (FOR OFF ROAD USE > ONLY)-------- > > The Engine Room > Morgan & Sports Car Specialists > Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 > 831 429-1800 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 25 19:57:13 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 21:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] LEAK DOWN TEST THANKS! In-Reply-To: <8CE01A7A8F9D77F-1780-1999C@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE01A7A8F9D77F-1780-1999C@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CE01BB80A56277-1780-1B5CD@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> FOT, Information on leakdown testing proved to be very interesting and useful, especially in the future. Primary cause appears to be inadequate liner protrusion leading to gasket failure with combustion leakage to the pushrod and tappet areas, which pressurized the crankcase beyond it's ability to vent. Secondary causes may be an early version of a Cometic Gasket and higher compression ratio than I really need to run on this engine. The head is a bit suspicious but nothing to indicate it was part of the problem. No matter.....engine being reassembled to proper liner specs and head being replaced, along with reduced compression ratio. The objective here is sort out ergonomics and suspension first. With small cockpit, 50/50 weight distribution, and lower center of gravity, the AMBRO isnt the TR4 #197 I became used to. The good news here, is that the new shop is increasingly functionally and I am finding more time to work on MY stuff. Doesnt hurt to have GRANDSON with increasing competencies working along side. Thanks again.... Joe A. _______________________________________________ Cwe mailing list Cwe at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/cwe/n197tr4 at cs.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sat Jun 25 21:25:09 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 20:25:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] travel through Canada In-Reply-To: <8CE018A2E8C63E2-1080-114CA@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE018A2E8C63E2-1080-114CA@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4E06A695.7020608@comcast.net> It's been ages since I took a race car into Canada. What I do remember is that Canadian Customs wants to make sure you are not transporting stuff to sell. Who knows what's going to happen when you confront TSA trying to come back. On 6/25/2011 1:04 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > Amici FOTer's > > , > Advice for travel through Canada towing my racecar, anything to plan for ( > do's and don'ts ) ?? > > Sincere thanks, > Bob T > '64 Spit GT autocrosser > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 26 04:13:05 2011 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 06:13:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] travel through Canada Message-ID: <000101cc33e9$a3de8e90$eb9babb0$@rr.com> It's no big deal. We do it every year when we race at Mosport. There are limits on the amount of alcohol you can carry which are on the customs web site. They will want to know if you're going to leave anything in Canada; gifts; any weapons (no guns; knives; mace; explosives) etc. Where are you going and for what purpose and when you will be leaving Canada. Two years ago they x-rayed our trailer and motorhome (we stood away from it) but had us on our way shortly. Our Canadian friends said the x-ray rig was a new purchase and they had to justify it by using it. For the past few years I also have a fairly accurate list of all the tools; fluids and spares I carry in the enclosed trailer along with my racing log book that shows 22 years of ownership of the car. It's not a problem. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Norlin Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 11:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] travel through Canada It's been ages since I took a race car into Canada. What I do remember is that Canadian Customs wants to make sure you are not transporting stuff to sell. Who knows what's going to happen when you confront TSA trying to come back. On 6/25/2011 1:04 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > Amici FOTer's > > , > Advice for travel through Canada towing my racecar, anything to plan for ( > do's and don'ts ) ?? > > Sincere thanks, > Bob T > '64 Spit GT autocrosser > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Sun Jun 26 05:28:16 2011 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 07:28:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: I no time youll rid of your problems!... http://jacunart.com.br/sites.friend.php?okjGIS=39i6 From ac at camoletti.ch Sun Jun 26 14:59:00 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 22:59:00 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001cc3443$e124f2d0$a36ed870$@camoletti.ch> Indeed I made an extensive search on the net last year when looking into electronic ignitions for my dry sump Lotus esprit. It came out that the MSD units have a very high failure rate. I read so many stories of failed units after few days/weeks/months . Jeff Schlemmer from Advanced Distributors confirmed and mentioned the figure of 50% failure rate within the first year. He recommended Crane components, as in his experience (which is very comprehensive) they are reliable. I purchased everything from Crane. Hope this helps (as I spent many hours investigating the subject) Cheers Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Gt6steve at aol.com Envoyi : vendredi 24 juin 2011 20:31 @ : sherryjimmy6116 at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 I've been using the 6AL for about fifteen years now so if it doesn't work I've now got much better excuses for those races I lost. Thanx for that! That said, we've seen some pretty weird failures on them so carry a spare. It says a lot when they sell a dual unit setup for NASCAR. Oh BTW, mines on a GT6 racer. In a message dated 6/24/2011 11:28:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sherryjimmy6116 at att.net writes: Hi All, just checking to see if anyone has any experience with using a MSD 6al ignition box in a TR6. MSD says that their unit doesn't work with an odd fire engine. Seems like a TR6 engine is odd fire but I'm not sure. Apparently one test as to whether or not an engine is truely odd fire is to observe the configuration of the point cams in the distributor. The TR6 points cams appear to me to be even fire. This is on a 1974 TR6 that currently runs an electonic ignitor and hot coil I got from The Roadster Factory. I have added triple 40 DCOE Webers so I'm looking for the best spark I can get. Thanks for any thoughts, Jim _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From billb at bnj.com Sun Jun 26 15:12:50 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 14:12:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 In-Reply-To: <000001cc3443$e124f2d0$a36ed870$@camoletti.ch> References: <000001cc3443$e124f2d0$a36ed870$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <7828A89D-794F-45EC-83E1-C0F5943EB971@bnj.com> More like HAD a high failure rate. Mostly because, like pertronics, they had no steering diodes to prevent damage from reversed polarity connection. Pertronics actually has the gall to charge a premium for their version that has protection against reverse polarity, as if it wasn't dumb engineering to do it that way in the first place. AFAIK the MSD has reverse polarity protection now, which should prevent most "failures" as in "I don't know what happened, it just quit" when you know you screwed up and got it wrong. Of course I wouldn't know anything about that. Signed, Smokey On Jun 26, 2011, at 1:59 PM, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: > Indeed I made an extensive search on the net last year when looking into > electronic ignitions for my dry sump Lotus esprit. > It came out that the MSD units have a very high failure rate. I read so many > stories of failed units after few days/weeks/months . > Jeff Schlemmer from Advanced Distributors confirmed and mentioned the figure > of 50% failure rate within the first year. He recommended Crane components, > as in his experience (which is very comprehensive) they are reliable. > I purchased everything from Crane. > Hope this helps (as I spent many hours investigating the subject) > Cheers > Alex > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la > part de Gt6steve at aol.com > Envoyi : vendredi 24 juin 2011 20:31 > @ : sherryjimmy6116 at att.net; fot at autox.team.net > Objet : Re: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 > > I've been using the 6AL for about fifteen years now so if it doesn't work > I've now got much better excuses for those races I lost. Thanx for that! > > That said, we've seen some pretty weird failures on them so carry a spare. > It says a lot when they sell a dual unit setup for NASCAR. > > Oh BTW, mines on a GT6 racer. > > > In a message dated 6/24/2011 11:28:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > sherryjimmy6116 at att.net writes: > > Hi All, just checking to see if anyone has any experience with using a MSD > 6al ignition box in a TR6. MSD says that their unit doesn't work with an > odd fire engine. Seems like a TR6 engine is odd fire but I'm not sure. > Apparently one test as to whether or not an engine is truely odd fire is to > observe the configuration of the point cams in the distributor. The TR6 > points cams appear to me to be even fire. > > This is on a 1974 TR6 that currently runs an electonic ignitor and hot coil > I got from The Roadster Factory. I have added triple 40 DCOE Webers so I'm > looking for the best spark I can get. > > Thanks > for any thoughts, Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Jun 26 16:17:05 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:17:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers Message-ID: <20110626222011.7BFBB187647@autox.team.net> Some time ago a source for tr4 caliper cooling fins was mentioned but I can't seem to locate the thread. Does anyone remember what that source was? Thanks Jim G From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jun 26 17:58:15 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:58:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 In-Reply-To: <7828A89D-794F-45EC-83E1-C0F5943EB971@bnj.com> References: <000001cc3443$e124f2d0$a36ed870$@camoletti.ch> <7828A89D-794F-45EC-83E1-C0F5943EB971@bnj.com> Message-ID: <047101cc345c$ea8c2370$0301a8c0@randall> > More like HAD a high failure rate. Mostly because, like > pertronics, they had > no steering diodes to prevent damage from reversed polarity > connection. Could be, but the problem was certainly not only lack of a diode. In fact, the unit I took apart after MSD pronounced it unrepairable HAD a big diode in series with the hot lead. And since it failed while I was running down the road, I seriously doubt there was any reversed polarity event. But I will say that it was nice of the MSD tech to tell me the ratings of the charred components. With a little creative wiring around the burned section of the board, and a 5 watt resistor in place of the original 2 watt, I was able to resuscitate the unit and it worked for several more years. -- Randall From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Sun Jun 26 18:32:47 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:32:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor In-Reply-To: <2892a27c-d463-4438-8e77-c8582fb61e91@blur> References: <2892a27c-d463-4438-8e77-c8582fb61e91@blur> Message-ID: There are Not street legal versions of both petroleum and synthetic VR1's. hard to find and expensive. Bob Kramer Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Jim Gray To: 'Bob Kramer' , 'Greg Solow' , 'Friends of Triumph' , "triumphs at autox.team.net" , "MOG-GROUP at GOOGLE.COM" Sent: Sat, Jun 25, 2011 22:29:18 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor I thought there were two types of VR-1, one being full synth. The VR-1 that I've used says ZDDP added. I'm using Brad Penn now, Joe Gibbs would be great except for the 15.00 per Qt. part. If you want to talk oil and clearances call the Joe Gibbs tech line. Lake Speed will be the one answering and he really knows motors and oil. Jim G -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:46 AM To: Greg Solow; Friends of Triumph; triumphs at autox.team.net; MOG-GROUP at GOOGLE.COM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor Greg, Are you saying the street legal VR1 sold at most auto parts stores isn't OK? They put the ZDDP back into the formula and are putting little yellow labels on to promote it. I've had success with it. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Friends of Triumph" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Greg Solow > To: Greg Solow > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:39 AM > Subject: new oil infor > > > > > Hello, A lot of racers are still using engine oils that are very low in > the > extreme pressure additives ZDDP and the diesel oil is NO longer good to > use > even with a can of ZDDP added to it. The "SM and SN" rated oils are ONLY > good > for the newer stock engines with roller rockers or tappets. Joe Gibbs race > oil, Red Line racing, Swepco, Brad Pen with the proper classifications are > about the only oils to use with flat tappet or OHC engines. other good > oils > that we know of are Torco, Valvolene Racing (FOR OFF ROAD USE > ONLY)-------- > > The Engine Room > Morgan & Sports Car Specialists > Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 > 831 429-1800 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jun 26 19:13:27 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 18:13:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor In-Reply-To: References: <2892a27c-d463-4438-8e77-c8582fb61e91@blur> Message-ID: <001201cc3467$6c0a1e20$0301a8c0@randall> > There are Not street legal versions of both petroleum and > synthetic VR1's. hard to find and expensive. I was just looking at Valvoline's web site, and it lists only one "Valvoline Specialty Racing Oil (Not Street Legal)" (which does not say "VR1"). http://tinyurl.com/6hegkdb But it apparently has the same amount of ZDDP as both VR1 and VR1 synthetic. Note that VR1 and VR1 Synthetic meet several API standards (SH/SL/SM/SN/CD/CF) while the NSL stuff does not. I'm guessing that means the NSL doesn't have as many "long life" additives like detergents and anti-corrosion as VR1 does. The NSL also lists TBN less than 6 (which could mean 0), while VR1 lists TBN=8.5. BTW, Amazon lists Valvoline NSL at $40/case of 6. Not exactly cheap, but about what you'd pay for VR1 Synthetic in most stores. -- Randall From ac at camoletti.ch Mon Jun 27 01:55:52 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:55:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers In-Reply-To: <20110626222011.7BFBB187647@autox.team.net> References: <20110626222011.7BFBB187647@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000101cc349f$a342cc10$e9c86430$@camoletti.ch> Hi Jim! This must be in Kas' last book, a chapter about the clever design with copper sheet by Chris Marx (from Germany, aka Mad Marx) Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Jim Gray Envoyi : lundi 27 juin 2011 00:17 @ : 'Friends of Triumph' Objet : [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers Some time ago a source for tr4 caliper cooling fins was mentioned but I can't seem to locate the thread. Does anyone remember what that source was? Thanks Jim G _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 27 05:32:38 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers In-Reply-To: <000101cc349f$a342cc10$e9c86430$@camoletti.ch> References: <20110626222011.7BFBB187647@autox.team.net> <000101cc349f$a342cc10$e9c86430$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <8CE02D50D8774B2-BA8-17B1@web-mmc-m07.sysops.aol.com> yup, we saw a set in action at Laguna...apparently very effective. -----Original Message----- From: Alexandre Camoletti To: 'Jim Gray' ; 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2011 3:07 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers Hi Jim! This must be in Kas' last book, a chapter about the clever design with copper sheet by Chris Marx (from Germany, aka Mad Marx) Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Jim Gray Envoyi : lundi 27 juin 2011 00:17 @ : 'Friends of Triumph' Objet : [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers Some time ago a source for tr4 caliper cooling fins was mentioned but I can't seem to locate the thread. Does anyone remember what that source was? Thanks Jim G _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net Mon Jun 27 09:17:03 2011 From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons Message-ID: <929679.89385.qm@web180309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Anyone have a tried and true method to free stuck pistons out of an old motor. I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting with the head off for at least 15 years. Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and PB Blaster for several days, then tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't seem to weep past the rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times with a propane torch. That hasn't helped much either. I have the motor on a stand and alternate soaking it from the top or bottom every free days. I understand much patience is required. Eventually I may have to use brute force and bust the out. Not a big deal since the block will need to bored out. But at this point I'm still hopeful that they can be removed intact. Thanks, Tim From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 27 10:56:39 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:56:39 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <929679.89385.qm@web180309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <929679.89385.qm@web180309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001c01cc34eb$30178b30$9046a190$@com> I send you some photos of my work: Bore holes into the piston and sew the skirts through: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_T17qmiZWUoA/TWy27lT0BjI/AAAAAAAAAyQ/M9s2l K9DRwk/s640/DSC01431.JPG Bore a large hole into the piston deck and use a hammer to drive it out: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_T17qmiZWUoA/TW4WBuLjYuI/AAAAAAAAAys/F1yHO Z5jOyM/s800/DSC01436.JPG Good luck Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tim Pettenati Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2011 17:17 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons Anyone have a tried and true method to free stuck pistons out of an old motor. I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting with the head off for at least 15 years. Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and PB Blaster for several days, then tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't seem to weep past the rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times with a propane torch. That hasn't helped much either. I have the motor on a stand and alternate soaking it from the top or bottom every free days. I understand much patience is required. Eventually I may have to use brute force and bust the out. Not a big deal since the block will need to bored out. But at this point I'm still hopeful that they can be removed intact. Thanks, Tim _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Jun 27 12:18:17 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:18:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] (Non-LBC related, mostly) What's the best Xbox 360 racing game? Message-ID: <380-220116127181817897@M2W121.mail2web.com> Hi all! We finally bit the bullet and got an Xbox 360 with Kinect on a really good deal. This marks the first time Brad and I have been current with a gaming platform in our lives, lol! My question is: Is there a good racing game for the Xbox 360 that features lots of U.S. tracks? Joe C. had recommended F1, which we will get (it looks awesome!), but I am also looking for just/mostly U.S. tracks if possible. I remember we played a great racing game at your place a while back, Bob K., but don't remember what it was or any of the details, just that it was very cool. Anyone have any suggestions? We would be appreciative! Thanks! Susan :) PS - In just reading through the specs and stuff on the F1: 2010 game, the level of detail is AMAZING. I can't wait to get it! Oh, and a wheel & some pedals, etc... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From billb at bnj.com Mon Jun 27 12:39:46 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:39:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] (Non-LBC related, mostly) What's the best Xbox 360 racing game? In-Reply-To: <380-220116127181817897@M2W121.mail2web.com> References: <380-220116127181817897@M2W121.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <5EC74CD3-0D62-4F37-B9BA-8BAACD4C2148@bnj.com> Make sure you get the right wheel and pedals--makes all the difference. I don't know what that is for Xbox. For GP4 it's a special GP4 wheel made for the game. but I am woefully out of date. . On Jun 27, 2011, at 11:18 AM, spitfiresuz at 141.com wrote: > Hi all! > > We finally bit the bullet and got an Xbox 360 with Kinect on a really good > deal. This marks the first time Brad and I have been current with a gaming > platform in our lives, lol! > > My question is: Is there a good racing game for the Xbox 360 that features > lots of U.S. tracks? Joe C. had recommended F1, which we will get (it looks > awesome!), but I am also looking for just/mostly U.S. tracks if possible. I > remember we played a great racing game at your place a while back, Bob K., > but don't remember what it was or any of the details, just that it was very > cool. > > Anyone have any suggestions? We would be appreciative! > > Thanks! > > Susan :) > > PS - In just reading through the specs and stuff on the F1: 2010 game, the > level of detail is AMAZING. I can't wait to get it! Oh, and a wheel & some > pedals, etc... > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Jun 27 12:51:12 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:51:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <001c01cc34eb$30178b30$9046a190$@com> References: <929679.89385.qm@web180309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001c01cc34eb$30178b30$9046a190$@com> Message-ID: <701052BC-D1BC-4CBD-AFA2-E94E1F72F83C@gmail.com> Or pour in some muriatic acid and watch the aluminum dissolve (don't inhale). Duncan On Jun 27, 2011, at 11:56 AM, MadMarx wrote: > I send you some photos of my work: > > Bore holes into the piston and sew the skirts through: > https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_T17qmiZWUoA/TWy27lT0BjI/AAAAAAAAAyQ/M9s2l > K9DRwk/s640/DSC01431.JPG > > Bore a large hole into the piston deck and use a hammer to drive it out: > > https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_T17qmiZWUoA/TW4WBuLjYuI/AAAAAAAAAys/F1yHO > Z5jOyM/s800/DSC01436.JPG > > Good luck > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Tim Pettenati > Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2011 17:17 > An: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons > > Anyone have a tried and true method to free stuck pistons out of an > old motor. > I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting with > the head off for > at least 15 years. > > Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out > pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and > PB Blaster for several days, then > tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. > Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and > pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't > seem to weep past the > rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times with a > propane torch. > That hasn't helped much either. > > I have the motor on a stand and alternate > soaking it from the top or bottom > every free days. I understand much patience > is required. Eventually I may have > to use brute force and bust the out. Not > a big deal since the block will need to > bored out. But at this point I'm > still hopeful that they can be removed intact. > > > Thanks, > Tim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Jun 27 13:02:20 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] (Non-LBC related, mostly) What's the best Xbox 360 racing game? In-Reply-To: <380-220116127181817897@M2W121.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <1545554104.94041.1309201340467.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Forza is the best by far. F1 is great but you need a good steering wheel and a solid platform for it. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: spitfiresuz at 141.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:18:17 PM Subject: [Fot] (Non-LBC related,B B B B B B B B mostly) What's the best Xbox 360 racing game? Hi all! We finally bit the bullet and got an Xbox 360 with Kinect on a really good deal. This marks the first time Brad and I have been current with a gaming platform in our lives, lol! My question is: Is there a good racing game for the Xbox 360 that features lots of U.S. tracks? Joe C. had recommended F1, which we will get (it looks awesome!), but I am also looking for just/mostly U.S. tracks if possible. I remember we played a great racing game at your place a while back, Bob K., but don't remember what it was or any of the details, just that it was very cool. Anyone have any suggestions? We would be appreciative! Thanks! Susan B B :) PS - In just reading through the specs and stuff on the F1: 2010 game, the level of detail is AMAZING. I can't wait to get it! Oh, and a wheel & some pedals, etc... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jun 27 17:06:25 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:06:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MGB bearings in Spitfire 1500? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D6BE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I have a set of NOS bearings on my bench here, Glacier (AE) part number B4512LC-.010 (marked as being for Austin, Leyland, MG, Morris). My recollection is that these are MGB rod bearings which I bought to use in my 1500 Spitfire. They're a wider bearing but fit the Spitfire with a little modification of the locating tangs, IIRC. I know that I've done this installation before, but can't recall (or find any notes) about how it worked out. Could be one of those 1500cc motors that blew up when I was having so much trouble with oiling. Has anyone else done this? Confirmation that it's a good or bad idea? Would be nice to use them rather than buying new ones. But I'd rather hand them to one of our MG pals if it's a bad idea. Scott From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 17:59:11 2011 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <929679.89385.qm@web180309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tim, If you are not saving the pistons and have the crankshaft out of the block, why not set the block in a hydrolic press? Then place a suitable size thick piece of steel on top of the piston and press them out. I have a feeling they will move rather easily since you have been soaking them with penatrant. Ken Suhre Tim wrote: Has anyone tried > to free stuck pistons out of an > old motor. > I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting > with > the head off for > at least 15 years. > > Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out > pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and > PB Blaster for several days, then > tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. > Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and > pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't > seem to weep past the > rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times > with a > propane torch. > That hasn't helped much either. > > I have the motor on a stand and alternate > soaking it from the top or bottom > every free days. I understand much patience > is required. Eventually I may have > to use brute force and bust the out. Not > a big deal since the block will need to > bored out. But at this point I'm > still hopeful that they can be removed intact. > > > Thanks, > Tim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com From jibjib at att.net Mon Jun 27 20:24:31 2011 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:24:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers In-Reply-To: <8CE02D50D8774B2-BA8-17B1@web-mmc-m07.sysops.aol.com> References: <20110626222011.7BFBB187647@autox.team.net><000101cc349f$a342cc10$e9c86430$@camoletti.ch> <8CE02D50D8774B2-BA8-17B1@web-mmc-m07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <53697EF232384662B2C230436E6BA71C@EntCent> Here is the website for at least one manufacturer. I was debating making a set for my TR8 because they don't make them for Wedges. Then again, another car likely has the same caliper. http://www.fourproducts.com Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:33 AM To: ac at camoletti.ch; toodamnfunky at comcast.net; FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers yup, we saw a set in action at Laguna...apparently very effective. -----Original Message----- From: Alexandre Camoletti To: 'Jim Gray' ; 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2011 3:07 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers Hi Jim! This must be in Kas' last book, a chapter about the clever design with copper sheet by Chris Marx (from Germany, aka Mad Marx) Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Jim Gray Envoyi : lundi 27 juin 2011 00:17 @ : 'Friends of Triumph' Objet : [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers Some time ago a source for tr4 caliper cooling fins was mentioned but I can't seem to locate the thread. Does anyone remember what that source was? Thanks Jim G _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net From rjohns at woh.rr.com Tue Jun 28 13:24:33 2011 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 15:24:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons Message-ID: Duncan has suggested using Muriatic Acid to free the pistons. Most all acids will eat into the iron of the block. I suggest to use Sodium Hydroxide ( Lye) instead. It will not eat into the iron and will dissolve the aluminum. I have salvaged many two cycle cylinders and small engine cranks with aluminum con rods, that had the aluminum welded to the steel or plated surface, usually due to insufficient oil. The aluminum comes off clean and all you need to do is to smooth up the cylinder surface or crank pin. The warmer the affected surfaces, the faster the chemical reaction. Make sure us use good rubber gloves and a chemical mask. Bob Johns From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Jun 28 16:12:17 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 15:12:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005701cc35e0$71bd0060$55370120$@rr.com> > I suggest to use Sodium Hydroxide > ( Lye) instead. FWIW, I just went looking for a ready source of lye, as Red Devil Lye is no longer made. Turns out there is a product called "Roebic Heavy Duty Crystal Drain Opener" that is pure lye and apparently readily available from Lowe's, OSH, Ace, Amazon, etc. Most drain openers also contain other ingredients (like metallic aluminum) but this one doesn't. I'm going to pick some up on the way home, as that sounds a lot easier than trying to break the piston. -- Randall From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Tue Jun 28 18:41:28 2011 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? Message-ID: <1309308088.11294.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> What devices are you guys using for tuning and syncing carbs? Jim in Folsom, CA From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue Jun 28 19:31:35 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:31:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F90D21B-DB2A-4503-B173-8F6D88F16624@gmail.com> If sodium hydroxide reacts to a lesser degree with cast iron -- less damage is always better! I don't recall (too many years ago) what prompted me to use muriatic acid (hydrochloric) to remove aluminum piston smears from a cast iron jug on an air cooled motorcycle engine that had suffered a seizure. I knew that aluminum reacts vigorously with hydrochloric acid and have read that iron oxide is removed commercially with hydrochloric acid. Perhaps the expected limited dwell time (the aluminum layer was not very thick) led me not to be concerned about damage to the cast iron cylinder. The aluminum fizzed and dissolved very quickly with no visible sign of reaction with bare cast iron. There might be some concern about acid remaining embedded in the iron grain structure, causing future oxidation, but perhaps there is not much to worry about if the engine is going to be bored -- and the acid will remove rust from the cylinder. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 28, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Robert Johns wrote: > Duncan has suggested using Muriatic Acid to free the pistons. Most all acids > will eat into the iron of the block. I suggest to use Sodium Hydroxide ( Lye) > instead. It will not eat into the iron and will dissolve the aluminum. I > have salvaged many two cycle cylinders and small engine cranks with aluminum > con rods, that had the aluminum welded to the steel or plated surface, > usually due to insufficient oil. The aluminum comes off clean and all you > need to do is to smooth up the cylinder surface or crank pin. The warmer the > affected surfaces, the faster the chemical reaction. Make sure us use good > rubber gloves and a chemical mask. > Bob Johns > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue Jun 28 21:27:27 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott janzen) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 23:27:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? In-Reply-To: <1309308088.11294.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1309308088.11294.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2F4725A3-784C-4F96-B21A-8146427A3D10@me.com> Piece of 1/2" heater hose and your ear. Easy to tell variances Sent from my iPhone On Jun 28, 2011, at 8:41 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > What devices are you guys using for tuning and syncing carbs? > > Jim in Folsom, CA > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 28 21:54:41 2011 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Great Lakes Grand Prix Message-ID: <1309319681.74608.YahooMailRC@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - anyone racing the Great Lakes Grand Prix at Blackhawk on July 10th? Dennis From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Jun 28 22:06:29 2011 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 04:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? In-Reply-To: <1309308088.11294.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1935418208.315034.1309320389785.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> The best I've used on both Webers and SUs is one made by STE called the Syncrometer. About the size of a tennis ball with and opening on one end and graduated scale on the opposite side. You can synch carbs in not time at all. Quick and accurate. See http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-used-parts-sale-wanted/207473-ste-syncrometer.html. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 5:41:28 PM Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? What devices are you guys using for tuning and syncing carbs? Jim in Folsom, CA _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintage.racer at comcast.net From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Jun 28 22:26:50 2011 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 04:26:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR6 Timing Message-ID: <545731679.315592.1309321610714.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I've followed the recent series of emails on ignition timing for a TR6. I'd like to ask for some opinions on a related issue. I have a 1969 TR6 with triple Stromberg carb setup, Lucas distributor with Pertronix and vacuum advance. Currently, timing is set at 4 degrees ATDC at 800 rpm with the vacuum advance attached which is spec. The engine idles smoothly with good acceleration. However, the engine seems to warm up almost too quickly according to the water temp gauge and runs a bit warm. New temp sensor and another gauge made no difference in the readings. If I warm the car up then pull the vacuum line to the distributor there is no difference in idle speed and using a timing light, the engine revs freely to about 24 degrees BTDC (vacuum advance does not work). Attaching the vacuum line and the readings are the same plus I can see the vacuum advance mechanism on the distributor working when the throttle is blipped. I'm wondering if the vacuum advance is working correctly and if the engine timing is too far retarded resulting in the engine running warm while out cruising. Any thoughts? Thanks. Gary From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue Jun 28 22:32:42 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:32:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? In-Reply-To: <2F4725A3-784C-4F96-B21A-8146427A3D10@me.com> References: <1309308088.11294.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <2F4725A3-784C-4F96-B21A-8146427A3D10@me.com> Message-ID: <4E0AAAEA.2020400@comcast.net> I use an ancient UniSyn for setting idle, but the hose works pretty well also. However, that is just for idle and balancing. For racing purposes you need an exhaust gas sniffer, exhaust temp probes for each carb, a chassis dyno and a dyno operator that knows race car tuning. Cheapest horsepower you will ever get and the peace of mind knowing that you're not going to burn a hole in a piston. I also run an EGT probe all the time to help me make minor changes (a couple of flats up or down) to the SU's based on temperature, humidity and altitude changes. On 6/28/2011 8:27 PM, Scott janzen wrote: > Piece of 1/2" heater hose and your ear. Easy to tell variances > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 28, 2011, at 8:41 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > >> What devices are you guys using for tuning and syncing carbs? >> >> Jim in Folsom, CA >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jun 29 04:57:28 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 06:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? In-Reply-To: <1935418208.315034.1309320389785.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1935418208.315034.1309320389785.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CE0462784AA4D7-1D64-983E@Webmail-m121.sysops.aol.com> we've used one of these for several years. seems like the best way to go. it feels very precise and very easy to use. joe a. -----Original Message----- From: vintage.racer To: sherry robyn Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] What devices are you using? The best I've used on both Webers and SUs is one made by STE called the Syncrometer. About the size of a tennis ball with and opening on one end and graduated scale on the opposite side. You can synch carbs in not time at all. Quick and accurate. See http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-used-parts-sale-wanted/207473-ste- syncrometer.html. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 5:41:28 PM Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? What devices are you guys using for tuning and syncing carbs? Jim in Folsom, CA _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintage.racer at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Wed Jun 29 05:14:27 2011 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:14:27 +1000 Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? In-Reply-To: <1309308088.11294.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1309308088.11294.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <29B80EB64C0A42B18B91D1F6F7507614@GEOFFPC> Here ear ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:41 AM Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? > What devices are you guys using for tuning and syncing carbs? > > Jim in Folsom, CA > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Jun 29 05:20:28 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 06:20:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Great Lakes Grand Prix Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D6E8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I'll be there on Saturday instructing at the driver's school. Since the Spitfire's temporarily down, I'll probably work a corner on Sunday. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: FOT Sent: Tue Jun 28 22:54:41 2011 Subject: [Fot] Great Lakes Grand Prix AMICI - anyone racing the Great Lakes Grand Prix at Blackhawk on July 10th? Dennis _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jun 29 06:45:10 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 08:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KCUP shirts and posters finalizing swag project. Message-ID: <8CE0471844AEF0F-203C-2448D@webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com> I have 4 3XL AND 3 2XL Left I owe posters to: Kas Marty Rob Barry Bill D Bob W Tom S anyone else? Posters went with purchase of shirts and John N. sent some of the orders. Not sure if Steve B has a small stack left........ Sorry for the confusion. The demand for swag was underestimated, magic as Laguna is. We will be better prepared for the 10th Running of the Kastner Cup at Road Atlanta. Joe Alexander From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Jun 29 07:24:29 2011 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 06:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <7F90D21B-DB2A-4503-B173-8F6D88F16624@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1309353869.58011.YahooMailClassic@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Duncan: FWIW I had to unstick a piston/liner last month from a 3 motor. After using Liquid wrench, PB Blaster, Kroll, etc. I had about given up and figured I would just break the piston. The gentleman with the shop next to me, who is restoring a '46 Stinson Monoplane wandered over and suggested Coca-Cola! Damn if it didn't work. I let it soak overnight from the top down. I can't vow for other cheaper brands of cola :O) -Ed- --- On Tue, 6/28/11, Duncan Charlton wrote: From: Duncan Charlton Subject: Re: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons To: "fot" Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 8:31 PM If sodium hydroxide reacts to a lesser degree with cast iron -- less damage is always better! I don't recall (too many years ago) what prompted me to use muriatic acid (hydrochloric) to remove aluminum piston smears from a cast iron jug on an air cooled motorcycle engine that had suffered a seizure. I knew that aluminum reacts vigorously with hydrochloric acid and have read that iron oxide is removed commercially with hydrochloric acid. Perhaps the expected limited dwell time (the aluminum layer was not very thick) led me not to be concerned about damage to the cast iron cylinder. The aluminum fizzed and dissolved very quickly with no visible sign of reaction with bare cast iron. There might be some concern about acid remaining embedded in the iron grain structure, causing future oxidation, but perhaps there is not much to worry about if the engine is going to be bored -- and the acid will remove rust from the cylinder. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 28, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Robert Johns wrote: > Duncan has suggested using Muriatic Acid to free the pistons. Most all acids > will eat into the iron of the block. I suggest to use Sodium Hydroxide ( Lye) > instead. It will not eat into the iron and will dissolve the aluminum. I > have salvaged many two cycle cylinders and small engine cranks with aluminum > con rods, that had the aluminum welded to the steel or plated surface, > usually due to insufficient oil. The aluminum comes off clean and all you > need to do is to smooth up the cylinder surface or crank pin. The warmer the > affected surfaces, the faster the chemical reaction. Make sure us use good > rubber gloves and a chemical mask. > Bob Johns > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From jkhagen at charter.net Wed Jun 29 07:39:44 2011 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 09:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Great Lakes Grand Prix Message-ID: <7334655e.12d98b.130dba077e3.Webtop.45@charter.net> Hi Dennis--There is also BIR SCCA/VSCR race that weekend-John Hagen On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > AMICI - anyone racing the Great Lakes Grand Prix at Blackhawk on July > 10th? > > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Wed Jun 29 08:10:12 2011 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:10:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <1309353869.58011.YahooMailClassic@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7F90D21B-DB2A-4503-B173-8F6D88F16624@gmail.com> <1309353869.58011.YahooMailClassic@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001f01cc3666$430d2200$c9276600$@rr.com> Just think, people actually drink that stuff! I remember seeing it totally dissolve a mussel shell in a glass of it overnight when I was a kid. Scared me away from it! Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 9:24 AM To: fot; Duncan Charlton Subject: Re: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons Duncan: FWIW I had to unstick a piston/liner last month from a 3 motor. After using Liquid wrench, PB Blaster, Kroll, etc. I had about given up and figured I would just break the piston. The gentleman with the shop next to me, who is restoring a '46 Stinson Monoplane wandered over and suggested Coca-Cola! Damn if it didn't work. I let it soak overnight from the top down. I can't vow for other cheaper brands of cola :O) -Ed- --- On Tue, 6/28/11, Duncan Charlton wrote: From: Duncan Charlton Subject: Re: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons To: "fot" Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 8:31 PM If sodium hydroxide reacts to a lesser degree with cast iron -- less damage is always better! I don't recall (too many years ago) what prompted me to use muriatic acid (hydrochloric) to remove aluminum piston smears from a cast iron jug on an air cooled motorcycle engine that had suffered a seizure. I knew that aluminum reacts vigorously with hydrochloric acid and have read that iron oxide is removed commercially with hydrochloric acid. Perhaps the expected limited dwell time (the aluminum layer was not very thick) led me not to be concerned about damage to the cast iron cylinder. The aluminum fizzed and dissolved very quickly with no visible sign of reaction with bare cast iron. There might be some concern about acid remaining embedded in the iron grain structure, causing future oxidation, but perhaps there is not much to worry about if the engine is going to be bored -- and the acid will remove rust from the cylinder. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 28, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Robert Johns wrote: > Duncan has suggested using Muriatic Acid to free the pistons. Most all acids > will eat into the iron of the block. I suggest to use Sodium Hydroxide ( Lye) > instead. It will not eat into the iron and will dissolve the aluminum. I > have salvaged many two cycle cylinders and small engine cranks with aluminum > con rods, that had the aluminum welded to the steel or plated surface, > usually due to insufficient oil. The aluminum comes off clean and all you > need to do is to smooth up the cylinder surface or crank pin. The warmer the > affected surfaces, the faster the chemical reaction. Make sure us use good > rubber gloves and a chemical mask. > Bob Johns > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Jun 29 08:51:09 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:51:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Timing References: <545731679.315592.1309321610714.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Gary, The 69 TR6 has a little more complex distributor than what you're describing. It had a vacuum advance and a vacuum retard on the distributor and a system that operated the vacuum retard attached to the carbs. It also makes a difference where you connect your vacuum pipes. Some carbs have 2 places to connect for vacuum. I've attached a page from The Roadster Factory blue book showing the vacuum pipes etc. I guess what I'm trying to tell you is if you don't have this system, which you probably don't because everyone took it off, you have to use a later spec to set the timing of your car. The later spec I believe used a quite different way of timing. Anyway, you need to understand which distributor you have and vacuum system and set the timing accordingly. Hope this helps. http://www.zeni.net/trf/TR6bluebook/51.php Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:26 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 Timing > I've followed the recent series of emails on ignition timing for a TR6. > I'd > like to ask for some opinions on a related issue. I have a 1969 TR6 with > triple Stromberg carb setup, Lucas distributor with Pertronix and vacuum > advance. Currently, timing is set at 4 degrees ATDC at 800 rpm with the > vacuum > advance attached which is spec. The engine idles smoothly with good > acceleration. However, the engine seems to warm up almost too quickly > according to the water temp gauge and runs a bit warm. New temp sensor and > another gauge made no difference in the readings. If I warm the car up > then > pull the vacuum line to the distributor there is no difference in idle > speed > and using a timing light, the engine revs freely to about 24 degrees BTDC > (vacuum advance does not work). Attaching the vacuum line and the readings > are > the same plus I can see the vacuum advance mechanism on the distributor > working when the throttle is blipped. I'm wondering if the vacuum advance > is > working correctly and if the engine timing is too far retarded resulting > in > the engine running warm while out cruising. Any thoughts? Thanks. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 10:28:03 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 09:28:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Article in SCD Message-ID: Sent this out to the drivers and known attendees but thought it might have general interest with a nice article in Sports Car Digest. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "John Nikas" Date: Jun 28, 2011 4:41 PM Subject: LSR Invitational by HMSA 2011  Photo Gallery To: "Joseph Alexander" , "Alec Mac Arthur" < amacarthur3 at socal.rr.com>, "Tony Drews" , "Casey Annis" , "Paul and Sally Smock" , "John and Tami Frymark" , "Samuel Halkias" < atr6racer at hotmail.com>, "Dennis DeLap" , "Henry Frye" , "Irv Korey" , "Robert Johns" , "Steven Belfer" , "Frank Daley" *LSR Invitational by HMSA 2011  Photo Gallery* RACE CARS | SPORTS CAR DIGEST - THE SPORTS, RACING AND VINTAGE CAR ... | JUNE 28, 2011 http://www.sportscardigest.com/lsr-invitational-hmsa-2011-photo-gallery/ Photos by Dennis Gray and Connor Vandagriff The Historic Motors Sports Association (HMSA) held the LSR Invitational event at ... read more --- Shared via Pulse, a great news reader for iPad, iPhone and Android. http://www.pulsene.ws From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jun 29 11:13:16 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:13:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Timing In-Reply-To: <545731679.315592.1309321610714.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <545731679.315592.1309321610714.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <013b01cc367f$d6fd4210$84f7c630$@rr.com> > Currently, timing is set at 4 degrees ATDC at 800 rpm with the > vacuum advance attached which is spec. IMO first you need to establish whether you actually have an advance module, or a retard module. Then discover whether the port on the carburetor is for advance or retard. (Since you said disconnecting the line does nothing at idle, most likely it is an advance port.) The 4 ATDC spec applies only when the retard is present and active. Otherwise you should be using the 'static' number, which ISTR was 10 BTDC for 69. Or, since your motor is somewhat modified, advance the initial timing in small steps until you can just force the engine to ping, then back off by 2 degrees or so. -- Randall From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jun 29 11:26:49 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:26:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <7F90D21B-DB2A-4503-B173-8F6D88F16624@gmail.com> Message-ID: <29DE37F0FEE44BD4A6859933E8961C66@gdhs.local> Hydrochloric works fine on nicksil or chrom cyl....doesn't hurt them one bit..... John H. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:32 PM To: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons If sodium hydroxide reacts to a lesser degree with cast iron -- less damage is always better! I don't recall (too many years ago) what prompted me to use muriatic acid (hydrochloric) to remove aluminum piston smears from a cast iron jug on an air cooled motorcycle engine that had suffered a seizure. I knew that aluminum reacts vigorously with hydrochloric acid and have read that iron oxide is removed commercially with hydrochloric acid. Perhaps the expected limited dwell time (the aluminum layer was not very thick) led me not to be concerned about damage to the cast iron cylinder. The aluminum fizzed and dissolved very quickly with no visible sign of reaction with bare cast iron. There might be some concern about acid remaining embedded in the iron grain structure, causing future oxidation, but perhaps there is not much to worry about if the engine is going to be bored -- and the acid will remove rust from the cylinder. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 28, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Robert Johns wrote: > Duncan has suggested using Muriatic Acid to free the pistons. Most > all acids > will eat into the iron of the block. I suggest to use Sodium > Hydroxide ( Lye) > instead. It will not eat into the iron and will dissolve the > aluminum. I have salvaged many two cycle cylinders and small engine > cranks with aluminum > con rods, that had the aluminum welded to the steel or plated surface, > usually due to insufficient oil. The aluminum comes off clean and all you > need to do is to smooth up the cylinder surface or crank pin. The warmer the > affected surfaces, the faster the chemical reaction. Make sure us use > good rubber gloves and a chemical mask. Bob Johns > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From billb at bnj.com Wed Jun 29 17:10:40 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:10:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> BBFH. BB stands for Big, Big and H stands for Hammer. On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Ken Suhre wrote: > Tim, If you are not saving the pistons and have the crankshaft out of the > block, why not set the block in a hydrolic press? Then place a suitable size > thick piece of steel on top of the piston and press them out. I have a feeling > they will move rather easily since you have been soaking them with penatrant. > > Ken Suhre > > Tim wrote: Has anyone tried >> to free stuck pistons out of an >> old motor. >> I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting >> with >> the head off for >> at least 15 years. >> >> Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out >> pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and >> PB Blaster for several days, then >> tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. >> Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and >> pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't >> seem to weep past the >> rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times >> with a >> propane torch. >> That hasn't helped much either. >> >> I have the motor on a stand and alternate >> soaking it from the top or bottom >> every free days. I understand much patience >> is required. Eventually I may have >> to use brute force and bust the out. Not >> a big deal since the block will need to >> bored out. But at this point I'm >> still hopeful that they can be removed intact. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Tim >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From triosan at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 17:57:52 2011 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:57:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> References: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> Message-ID: F stands for "Forceful" of course :) . Probably A BBFPress would work better. On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > BBFH. BB stands for Big, Big and H stands for Hammer. > On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Ken Suhre wrote: > > > Tim, If you are not saving the pistons and have the crankshaft out of the > > block, why not set the block in a hydrolic press? Then place a suitable > size > > thick piece of steel on top of the piston and press them out. I have a > feeling > > they will move rather easily since you have been soaking them with > penatrant. > > > > Ken Suhre > > > > Tim wrote: Has anyone tried > >> to free stuck pistons out of an > >> old motor. > >> I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting > >> with > >> the head off for > >> at least 15 years. > >> > >> Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out > >> pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and > >> PB Blaster for several days, then > >> tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. > >> Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and > >> pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't > >> seem to weep past the > >> rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times > >> with a > >> propane torch. > >> That hasn't helped much either. > >> > >> I have the motor on a stand and alternate > >> soaking it from the top or bottom > >> every free days. I understand much patience > >> is required. Eventually I may have > >> to use brute force and bust the out. Not > >> a big deal since the block will need to > >> bored out. But at this point I'm > >> still hopeful that they can be removed intact. > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tim > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From bownes at seiri.com Wed Jun 29 18:00:54 2011 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 20:00:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> References: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <76CA8C9A-D1FF-4591-8D38-D011AC0C16E2@seiri.com> Last time I had to do this, like Bill, I used a BFH. The pistons came out in chunks. On Jun 29, 2011, at 19:10, Bill Babcock wrote: > BBFH. BB stands for Big, Big and H stands for Hammer. > On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Ken Suhre wrote: > >> Tim, If you are not saving the pistons and have the crankshaft out of the >> block, why not set the block in a hydrolic press? Then place a suitable > size >> thick piece of steel on top of the piston and press them out. I have a > feeling >> they will move rather easily since you have been soaking them with > penatrant. >> >> Ken Suhre >> >> Tim wrote: Has anyone tried >>> to free stuck pistons out of an >>> old motor. >>> I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting >>> with >>> the head off for >>> at least 15 years. >>> >>> Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out >>> pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and >>> PB Blaster for several days, then >>> tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. >>> Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and >>> pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't >>> seem to weep past the >>> rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times >>> with a >>> propane torch. >>> That hasn't helped much either. >>> >>> I have the motor on a stand and alternate >>> soaking it from the top or bottom >>> every free days. I understand much patience >>> is required. Eventually I may have >>> to use brute force and bust the out. Not >>> a big deal since the block will need to >>> bored out. But at this point I'm >>> still hopeful that they can be removed intact. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Tim >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From kaskas at cox.net Wed Jun 29 18:03:54 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:03:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> References: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> Message-ID: It is just amazing how much you can move with a BIG hammer and a short block of wood if you don't have that press handy. You buy the biggest hammer you can find and after thos job you'll still have the hammer for furture work on fine equipment. Never be beaten by equipment > From: billb at bnj.com > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:10:40 -0700 > To: kenandtweety at yahoo.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons > > BBFH. BB stands for Big, Big and H stands for Hammer. > On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Ken Suhre wrote: > > > Tim, If you are not saving the pistons and have the crankshaft out of the > > block, why not set the block in a hydrolic press? Then place a suitable > size > > thick piece of steel on top of the piston and press them out. I have a > feeling > > they will move rather easily since you have been soaking them with > penatrant. > > > > Ken Suhre > > > > Tim wrote: Has anyone tried > >> to free stuck pistons out of an > >> old motor. > >> I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting > >> with > >> the head off for > >> at least 15 years. > >> > >> Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out > >> pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and > >> PB Blaster for several days, then > >> tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. > >> Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and > >> pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't > >> seem to weep past the > >> rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times > >> with a > >> propane torch. > >> That hasn't helped much either. > >> > >> I have the motor on a stand and alternate > >> soaking it from the top or bottom > >> every free days. I understand much patience > >> is required. Eventually I may have > >> to use brute force and bust the out. Not > >> a big deal since the block will need to > >> bored out. But at this point I'm > >> still hopeful that they can be removed intact. > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tim > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Wed Jun 29 18:23:05 2011 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Colortune spark plugs Message-ID: <1309393385.73010.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Is anybody using Colortune spark plugs to any advantage? Jim in Folsom, CA From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jun 29 18:51:45 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 20:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: References: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <8CE04D704F4A963-222C-787@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> Our first race car was a Saab V-4 SONNET. It had been through two floods and the engine was seized. Solidly. Big hammer and short piece of two by four was employed. Engine was rebuilt with original pistons, beat upon with said hammer, and we ran it for a year. You do what you gotta do..... Last report was that it was transplanted into a wife's car and was still running. The SONNET ran with Sean and Mark at Blackhawk, as it is still on the track with the buyer, who turned out to be a great friend. -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner To: billb ; kenandtweety Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:23 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons It is just amazing how much you can move with a BIG hammer and a short block of wood if you don't have that press handy. You buy the biggest hammer you can find and after thos job you'll still have the hammer for furture work on fine equipment. Never be beaten by equipment > From: billb at bnj.com > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:10:40 -0700 > To: kenandtweety at yahoo.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons > > BBFH. BB stands for Big, Big and H stands for Hammer. > On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Ken Suhre wrote: > > > Tim, If you are not saving the pistons and have the crankshaft out of the > > block, why not set the block in a hydrolic press? Then place a suitable > size > > thick piece of steel on top of the piston and press them out. I have a > feeling > > they will move rather easily since you have been soaking them with > penatrant. > > > > Ken Suhre > > > > Tim wrote: Has anyone tried > >> to free stuck pistons out of an > >> old motor. > >> I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting > >> with > >> the head off for > >> at least 15 years. > >> > >> Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out > >> pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and > >> PB Blaster for several days, then > >> tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. > >> Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and > >> pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't > >> seem to weep past the > >> rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times > >> with a > >> propane torch. > >> That hasn't helped much either. > >> > >> I have the motor on a stand and alternate > >> soaking it from the top or bottom > >> every free days. I understand much patience > >> is required. Eventually I may have > >> to use brute force and bust the out. Not > >> a big deal since the block will need to > >> bored out. But at this point I'm > >> still hopeful that they can be removed intact. > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tim > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Jun 29 19:50:19 2011 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 19:50:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: References: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <2AE8BC21-87C8-48DC-8A3D-7C9F434157EE@earthlink.net> Thanks for jarring the memory... '43 Ford military jeep. Sold it to a friend - stuck engine and all. A couple days later he had it on a lift with the pan off and a long 2"x4" on a bottle jack. Jacked that piston enough to push the Jeep close to the ceiling. So he chained it down and jacked it up some more. About the same time as the frame started to bend I finally started telling him not to kill the poor little thing. Got him to put it on the ground and a couple whacks with a wood block and BFH did what thousands of pounds of pressure would not. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jun 29, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > It is just amazing how much you can move with a BIG hammer and a > short block > of wood if you don't have that press handy. You buy the biggest > hammer you can > find and after thos job you'll still have the hammer for furture > work on fine > equipment. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: billb at bnj.com >> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:10:40 -0700 >> To: kenandtweety at yahoo.com >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons >> >> BBFH. BB stands for Big, Big and H stands for Hammer. >> On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Ken Suhre wrote: >> >>> Tim, If you are not saving the pistons and have the crankshaft >>> out of the >>> block, why not set the block in a hydrolic press? Then place a >>> suitable >> size >>> thick piece of steel on top of the piston and press them out. I >>> have a >> feeling >>> they will move rather easily since you have been soaking them with >> penatrant. >>> >>> Ken Suhre >>> >>> Tim wrote: Has anyone tried >>>> to free stuck pistons out of an >>>> old motor. >>>> I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting >>>> with >>>> the head off for >>>> at least 15 years. >>>> >>>> Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out >>>> pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and >>>> PB Blaster for several days, then >>>> tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. >>>> Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and >>>> pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't >>>> seem to weep past the >>>> rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times >>>> with a >>>> propane torch. >>>> That hasn't helped much either. >>>> >>>> I have the motor on a stand and alternate >>>> soaking it from the top or bottom >>>> every free days. I understand much patience >>>> is required. Eventually I may have >>>> to use brute force and bust the out. Not >>>> a big deal since the block will need to >>>> bored out. But at this point I'm >>>> still hopeful that they can be removed intact. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Tim >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From billb at bnj.com Wed Jun 29 22:57:02 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:57:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Colortune spark plugs In-Reply-To: <1309393385.73010.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1309393385.73010.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <94AA09F4-C57B-430D-8A44-02902823F03C@bnj.com> they're kind of a bad joke, surprised they're still around. I tried them in the late 70s to no particular benefit. Problem is they're only to be used around idle, and setting the mixture at idle is the least difficult and smallest value part of tuning. On Jun 29, 2011, at 5:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > Is anybody using Colortune spark plugs to any advantage? Jim in Folsom, CA > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From billb at bnj.com Wed Jun 29 23:04:53 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 22:04:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <2AE8BC21-87C8-48DC-8A3D-7C9F434157EE@earthlink.net> References: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> <2AE8BC21-87C8-48DC-8A3D-7C9F434157EE@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <192CD748-F2D3-479D-859A-828AD6C6AA85@bnj.com> Yep, I wasn't kidding. I raced a '76 Yamaha 360 at the 1977 Riverside Grand Prix. Stuck it right away in practice so I didn't even know which way the course went (1/3 road race, 1/3 flat track, 1/3 motocross). Beat the piston out of the cylinder with a chunk of wood and a hammer. Sanded the seize marks off the piston, cleaned the aluminum out of the barrel with battery acid, freed up the ring, went two sizes bigger on the main jet and dumped a little extra oil in the gas. Finished third, in part because I didn't know where a scary dropoff was and went off it full throttle and lived. figured if if worked the first time it would work a second. Passed dozens of people coming into that drop. Sometimes ignorance is fast. On Jun 29, 2011, at 6:50 PM, Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: > Thanks for jarring the memory... > '43 Ford military jeep. Sold it to a friend - stuck engine and all. A couple days later he had it on a lift with the pan off and a long 2"x4" on a bottle jack. Jacked that piston enough to push the Jeep close to the ceiling. So he chained it down and jacked it up some more. About the same time as the frame started to bend I finally started telling him not to kill the poor little thing. Got him to put it on the ground and a couple whacks with a wood block and BFH did what thousands of pounds of pressure would not. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Jun 29, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > >> It is just amazing how much you can move with a BIG hammer and a short block >> of wood if you don't have that press handy. You buy the biggest hammer you can >> find and after thos job you'll still have the hammer for furture work on fine >> equipment. From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 06:37:45 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 07:37:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Colortune spark plugs In-Reply-To: <94AA09F4-C57B-430D-8A44-02902823F03C@bnj.com> References: <1309393385.73010.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <94AA09F4-C57B-430D-8A44-02902823F03C@bnj.com> Message-ID: I had gone to a local guy who advertises his prowess in working on British cars, in hopes that he might have a selection of SU needles (now, exactly how many years has it been since a production car was sold in the US with SU's?). Plus he has a British accent = knowledge about British cars, right? He insisted on quizzing me about how I knew that the mixture was rich, so at first I thought perhaps he knew his stuff, but when he insisted that the ONLY way to know if an engine was running rich was to use Colortune, I tuned HIM out and vowed never to return. I had a disturbing mental vision of my darling wife strapped to the left front fender watching for combustion color while I did full-throttle runs to redline. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 29, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > they're kind of a bad joke, surprised they're still around. I tried them in > the late 70s to no particular benefit. Problem is they're only to be used > around idle, and setting the mixture at idle is the least difficult and > smallest value part of tuning. > > On Jun 29, 2011, at 5:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > >> Is anybody using Colortune spark plugs to any advantage? Jim in Folsom, CA >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Jun 30 09:15:49 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:15:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Colortune spark plugs In-Reply-To: References: <1309393385.73010.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <94AA09F4-C57B-430D-8A44-02902823F03C@bnj.com> Message-ID: Duncan Let me guess, he wasn't as "Handy" with Old English Jaguars as one might expect? I have lots of needles. Bob Kramer Southern Construction Inventory Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:38 AM To: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Colortune spark plugs I had gone to a local guy who advertises his prowess in working on British cars, in hopes that he might have a selection of SU needles (now, exactly how many years has it been since a production car was sold in the US with SU's?). Plus he has a British accent = knowledge about British cars, right? He insisted on quizzing me about how I knew that the mixture was rich, so at first I thought perhaps he knew his stuff, but when he insisted that the ONLY way to know if an engine was running rich was to use Colortune, I tuned HIM out and vowed never to return. I had a disturbing mental vision of my darling wife strapped to the left front fender watching for combustion color while I did full-throttle runs to redline. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 29, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > they're kind of a bad joke, surprised they're still around. I tried them in > the late 70s to no particular benefit. Problem is they're only to be used > around idle, and setting the mixture at idle is the least difficult and > smallest value part of tuning. > > On Jun 29, 2011, at 5:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > >> Is anybody using Colortune spark plugs to any advantage? Jim in Folsom, CA >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 12:40:25 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:40:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Colortune spark plugs References: Message-ID: <27E9715E-9A0D-4E32-AC1F-9EA61961C795@gmail.com> > You got it -- to put it kindly, I was unimpressed. He was very quick to bark up the wrong tree. > > (I found needles from Joe Curto, but thanks for the offer). > > Duncan > > On Jun 30, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > >> Duncan Let me guess, he wasn't as "Handy" with Old English Jaguars as one might expect? >> >> I have lots of needles. >> >> Bob Kramer >> Southern Construction Inventory Manager >> RDO Equipment Company >> 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 >> 512-687-7422 Office >> 512-657-8526 Cell >> >> >> Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton >> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:38 AM >> To: fot >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Colortune spark plugs >> >> I had gone to a local guy who advertises his prowess in working on British >> cars, in hopes that he might have a selection of SU needles (now, exactly how >> many years has it been since a production car was sold in the US with SU's?). >> Plus he has a British accent = knowledge about British cars, right? >> >> He insisted on quizzing me about how I knew that the mixture was rich, so at >> first I thought perhaps he knew his stuff, but when he insisted that the ONLY >> way to know if an engine was running rich was to use Colortune, I tuned HIM >> out and vowed never to return. I had a disturbing mental vision of my darling >> wife strapped to the left front fender watching for combustion color while I >> did full-throttle runs to redline. >> >> Duncan >> 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red >> >> On Jun 29, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: >> >>> they're kind of a bad joke, surprised they're still around. I tried them in >>> the late 70s to no particular benefit. Problem is they're only to be used >>> around idle, and setting the mixture at idle is the least difficult and >>> smallest value part of tuning. >>> >>> On Jun 29, 2011, at 5:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote: >>> >>>> Is anybody using Colortune spark plugs to any advantage? Jim in Folsom, >> CA >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From billb at bnj.com Thu Jun 30 13:16:42 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:16:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Colortune spark plugs In-Reply-To: <27E9715E-9A0D-4E32-AC1F-9EA61961C795@gmail.com> References: <27E9715E-9A0D-4E32-AC1F-9EA61961C795@gmail.com> Message-ID: <33BD5C19-316D-46FA-B335-5175A5B0F1DA@bnj.com> I had hoped I could use them on a dyno, but nope, they have an RPM and throttle limitation. Tried it anyway, I don't recommend it. Ruined it. I don't remember if it came apart, seems like it did. On Jun 30, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote: >> You got it -- to put it kindly, I was unimpressed. He was very quick to > bark up the wrong tree. >> >> (I found needles from Joe Curto, but thanks for the offer). >> >> Duncan From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jun 30 18:09:14 2011 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 19:09:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Colortune spark plugs In-Reply-To: <27E9715E-9A0D-4E32-AC1F-9EA61961C795@gmail.com> References: <27E9715E-9A0D-4E32-AC1F-9EA61961C795@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48a39dc3-8bfc-4468-ae69-074f9c616394@blur> greg is looking at crankshaft options. one is custom forged cranks to working eoth chevy rods and forged pistons. do your have any plans fot building a spare engine? I need to and Bob Blake may too. We may get a better price with a group buy. Bob Kramer Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: fot Sent: Thu, Jun 30, 2011 18:40:25 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Colortune spark plugs > You got it -- to put it kindly, I was unimpressed. He was very quick to bark up the wrong tree. > > (I found needles from Joe Curto, but thanks for the offer). > > Duncan > > On Jun 30, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > >> Duncan Let me guess, he wasn't as "Handy" with Old English Jaguars as one might expect? >> >> I have lots of needles. >> >> Bob Kramer >> Southern Construction Inventory Manager >> RDO Equipment Company >> 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 >> 512-687-7422 Office >> 512-657-8526 Cell >> >> >> Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton >> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:38 AM >> To: fot >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Colortune spark plugs >> >> I had gone to a local guy who advertises his prowess in working on British >> cars, in hopes that he might have a selection of SU needles (now, exactly how >> many years has it been since a production car was sold in the US with SU's?). >> Plus he has a British accent = knowledge about British cars, right? >> >> He insisted on quizzing me about how I knew that the mixture was rich, so at >> first I thought perhaps he knew his stuff, but when he insisted that the ONLY >> way to know if an engine was running rich was to use Colortune, I tuned HIM >> out and vowed never to return. I had a disturbing mental vision of my darling >> wife strapped to the left front fender watching for combustion color while I >> did full-throttle runs to redline. >> >> Duncan >> 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red >> >> On Jun 29, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: >> >>> they're kind of a bad joke, surprised they're still around. I tried them in >>> the late 70s to no particular benefit. Problem is they're only to be used >>> around idle, and setting the mixture at idle is the least difficult and >>> smallest value part of tuning. >>> >>> On Jun 29, 2011, at 5:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote: >>> >>>> Is anybody using Colortune spark plugs to any advantage? Jim in Folsom, >> CA >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Jun 1 01:30:45 2011 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 00:30:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup @ Laguna Seca References: <4DE473B4.7040403@comcast.net> <43500E7F5D3D4EBFAFD226606FA2F761@Charly> Message-ID: Don't worry about track time. Cris does a good job at providing a good race schedule. everyone should have a great time and plenty of track time. See you all there, Greg Solow From keithfiles at btinternet.com Wed Jun 1 04:03:22 2011 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:03:22 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Racing in the Clio Cup in the UK Message-ID: Dear All, Sorry to bomb the list but some of you may know my son Josh and you may even know about his racing successes and ambitions; he has put together a website about his exploits to date and what he wants to do so if you get some free time could you have a look and let us know what you think. The website is www.joshfiles.co.uk Btw, he is still racing the TR6 with me and we are doing a big event late June at Silverstone on the GP circuit and then we are off to Germany in September to take part in the 3 hour race at the Nurburgring Nordschleife that Chris Marx is organising; believe Kas and Peg will be there too. Cheers, Keith. From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jun 1 07:09:05 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 08:09:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup @ Laguna Seca In-Reply-To: <4DE473B4.7040403@comcast.net> References: <4DE473B4.7040403@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20110601080905.rabjs1n68800cgs8@www.tonydrews.com> I received the schedule and tech form via e-mail this morning. 3 sessions on Tuesday and 4! sessions on Wednesday. I did not get an entry list. Our sessions: Tuesday 9:50 am practice 1:30 pm race 3:30 pm race Wednesday 9:30 am practice 11:10 am race 1:15 pm Kastner Cup race 4:15 pm "Trophy" race Tony Drews Quoting Jim Norlin : > Well, I got the trailer prepped today for the long tow to California. > The car's virtually ready. Still waiting to see a schedule and an > entry list. Anyone else seen anything? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Jun 1 09:47:32 2011 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 10:47:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cam Timing Degree Specs In-Reply-To: References: <4DE53BDC.2020807@charter.net> Message-ID: <4DE65F14.3040104@pobox.com> The best way to set up a cam is to use the intake center, i.e. point of highest lift. It should be 110 ATC for this cam. (the average of 18 BTC and 58 ABC). Look at my webpage on degreeing a cam - http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tips_Takes.html There is also a spreadsheet you can download. Richard, the reason for the difference between .007 and .010 is what I call "valve train squish", i.e. the amount of compression in the valve train due to the springs. Integral cams listed the 0.050 specs at 210 also. Larry On 5/31/2011 9:27 PM, Richard Good wrote: > Glenn, > > The timing specs for the late TR6 cam are: > > Intake open 18 deg BTDC, close 58 deg ABDC > Exhaust open 58 deg BBDC, close 18 deg ATDC > > I believe these timing specs are supposed to be point of > opening/closing. If that is the case, with valve clearance spec of > .010" at the valve, the tappet has to move .010" divided by rocker > ratio of 1.45:1 = .007" before the valve starts opening. So you > should be able to time to these specs at .007" of tappet lift. Stock > cams I have checked appear to have this advertised duration at about > .010" tappet lift so you may have to go to .010" to get these timing > points to hold out. > > I have never seen .050" timing specs for the stock cam but the ones I > have checked appear to have about 210 deg duration at .050" so the > timing specs would be: > > Intake open 5 deg ATDC, close 35 deg ABDC > Exhaust open 35 deg BBDC, close 5 deg BTDC > > Regards, > Richard Good > Good Parts Inc. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Glenn Franco" > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 3:05 PM > To: "Friends of triumph" ; <6pack at autox.team.net> > Subject: [Fot] Cam Timing Degree Specs > >> Hi >> I putting a late model 74 TR6 back together after a rebuild. >> I'm attempting to time the cam. This one has no marks on the gears >> since it had been replaced. >> I have the degree wheel set up but I'm having difficulty finding the >> cam specs for a stock TR6 Cam? >> And if found what amount of lift does the specs relate to (.050"??) >> on this engine. >> Can anyone out there point me in the right direction. >> The head has not been installed and I have the degree wheel set and >> the dial indicator taking measurements off the pushrod. >> Thanks in advance >> Glenn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Jun 1 09:51:57 2011 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 10:51:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances In-Reply-To: <20110530180533.85397187660@autox.team.net> References: <20110530180533.85397187660@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4DE6601D.3030200@pobox.com> Jim, Triumph listed cam bearing clearances as 0.0028 to 0.0047 with a wear limit of 0.0059. You probably want to be toward the lose side for racing, but you don't want to bleed off too much oil pressure and starve the rockers. Larry On 5/30/2011 1:03 PM, Jim Gray wrote: > FoT, > > I can't seem to locate much information on TR-4 cam bearings. I'm sure many > would appreciate > > any input on the following topics. I'm seeing some wear on my cam and > bearings that needs to be addressed > > now. > > Questions are as follows; > > What are racing clearances for front bearing. > > What are racing clearances for the other three bearings. > > Does anyone use friction reducing coatings on their cam bearings. > > Cam thrust..any info. > > Cam bearing type& manufacture. > > Any hot tips for cam bearings and overall longevity. > > > > Thanks for the input as always, > > > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From ac at camoletti.ch Wed Jun 1 10:51:49 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 18:51:49 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances In-Reply-To: <4DE6601D.3030200@pobox.com> References: <20110530180533.85397187660@autox.team.net> <4DE6601D.3030200@pobox.com> Message-ID: <006a01cc207c$33d54470$9b7fcd50$@camoletti.ch> Hi Jim! I sent a post about this topic on April 25, asking for comments about influence of these clearances on ignition timing, distributor gear life and valve train lash. Bearing clearance is not mentioned in the Manual (at least in the TR2/3 Manual) and I understand it can be quite important for a proper cam and ignition timing, and these figures are nowhere given or explained. There are different clearances for the front bearing (the one bolted in) and the ones inside the blocked (pressed in, make sure you do not file the slot in the bearings to make ingress easier, they are quite a tight difficult press fit but make the right clearance). Clearance bearing #1= 0.00275'' to 0.0047'', Clearance bearings #2-3-4= .002'' to .0035'' End float min .003'' up to .0075'' I found these figures in David Vizard, Tuning Triumphs over 1300cc, published 1973, page 32 (NLA of course, found it on Amazon marketplace for a price). Vizard recommends to go for the absolute minimum clearance and end float, in order to affect ignition timing as little as possible. Apparently end float clearance has quite an impact on ignition timing. Larry, what about impact on cam timing? Any comment of Mr Kastner about the comp dept practices at the time? Cheers ! Alex Camoletti TR3A 1959 -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Larry Young Envoyi : mercredi 1 juin 2011 17:52 @ : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances Jim, Triumph listed cam bearing clearances as 0.0028 to 0.0047 with a wear limit of 0.0059. You probably want to be toward the lose side for racing, but you don't want to bleed off too much oil pressure and starve the rockers. Larry On 5/30/2011 1:03 PM, Jim Gray wrote: > FoT, > > I can't seem to locate much information on TR-4 cam bearings. I'm sure > many would appreciate > > any input on the following topics. I'm seeing some wear on my cam and > bearings that needs to be addressed > > now. > > Questions are as follows; > > What are racing clearances for front bearing. > > What are racing clearances for the other three bearings. > > Does anyone use friction reducing coatings on their cam bearings. > > Cam thrust..any info. > > Cam bearing type& manufacture. > > Any hot tips for cam bearings and overall longevity. > > > > Thanks for the input as always, > > > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 1 10:56:21 2011 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 12:56:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances In-Reply-To: <4DE6601D.3030200@pobox.com> References: <20110530180533.85397187660@autox.team.net>, <4DE6601D.3030200@pobox.com> Message-ID: > Jim, > Triumph listed cam bearing clearances as 0.0028 to 0.0047 with a wear > limit of 0.0059. You probably want to be toward the lose side for > racing, but you don't want to bleed off too much oil pressure and starve > the rockers. > Larry > I don't know, but I would think that, for racing, you would want to be toward the WIN side. Anon From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jun 1 11:18:09 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 10:18:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances In-Reply-To: <006a01cc207c$33d54470$9b7fcd50$@camoletti.ch> References: <20110530180533.85397187660@autox.team.net><4DE6601D.3030200@pobox.com> <006a01cc207c$33d54470$9b7fcd50$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <01c301cc207f$e1805080$0301a8c0@randall> > I found these figures in David Vizard, Tuning Triumphs over 1300cc, The same figures (pretty close) can be found in the factory TR2/3 workshop manual, page B3 (or page 87 of the Bentley reprint). -- Randall From ac at camoletti.ch Wed Jun 1 11:41:47 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 19:41:47 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances In-Reply-To: <01c301cc207f$e1805080$0301a8c0@randall> References: <20110530180533.85397187660@autox.team.net><4DE6601D.3030200@pobox.com> <006a01cc207c$33d54470$9b7fcd50$@camoletti.ch> <01c301cc207f$e1805080$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <007b01cc2083$2f4de360$8de9aa20$@camoletti.ch> Thank you Randall, I must have been tired when checking out. in fact VIZARD recommends to go for clearances at the lowest end (while for a race engine one would tend to go for the larger clearances), to ensure timing precision -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Randall Envoyi : mercredi 1 juin 2011 19:18 @ : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances > I found these figures in David Vizard, Tuning Triumphs over 1300cc, The same figures (pretty close) can be found in the factory TR2/3 workshop manual, page B3 (or page 87 of the Bentley reprint). -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Wed Jun 1 15:26:07 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:26:07 +1000 Subject: [Fot] re TR6 cam timing specs Message-ID: all triumph factory cams I have seen are symetrical, so you can time it perfectly by getting the exact rock point as shown in the factory manual. the 18/58/58/18 timing is correct for US market cars, but in fact was the stock cam from the T2000 or GT6 model. It years since i've timed a stock triumph cam with no dots, but normally these are cam timing values (not valve timing values), so if thats correct, you need to check the iInlet valve cam follower starts to open 58 BTDC. i have made a lead weighted (filled) follower with a rod sticking out of it to help me do this. Terry From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jun 1 20:51:13 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 21:51:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow schedule? Message-ID: <20110601215113.e4qfmjs5s8g04k4g@www.tonydrews.com> Does anyone have info on the Buttonwillow schedule for this coming weekend? I'm specifically looking for when on Friday registration and tech opens, and when they allow us into the track. Also, is there any place in particular that the TRiumph guys generally set up shop? Thanks, Tony Drews From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jun 2 07:27:23 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:27:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow schedule? Message-ID: <27904.1307021243@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } tech will open at 3pm On Wed 01/06/11 7:51 PM , tony at tonydrews.com sent: Does anyone have info on the Buttonwillow schedule for this coming weekend? I'm specifically looking for when on Friday registration and tech opens, and when they allow us into the track. Also, is there any place in particular that the TRiumph guys generally set up shop? Thanks, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [2] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [3] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [4] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [5] Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com [6] Links: ------ [2] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [3] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jun 2 09:01:51 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 17:01:51 +0200 Subject: [Fot] 6h Spa In-Reply-To: <27904.1307021243@mitchelplumbing.com> References: <27904.1307021243@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <002701cc2136$03b9ca80$0b2d5f80$@com> Found this snippet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VoHk6Z4Hpk&feature=player_embedded Chris From john at race-dogs.com Thu Jun 2 09:42:43 2011 From: john at race-dogs.com (John Wilkins) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:42:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow schedule? In-Reply-To: <20110601215113.e4qfmjs5s8g04k4g@www.tonydrews.com> References: <20110601215113.e4qfmjs5s8g04k4g@www.tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <000b01cc213b$b6bba680$2432f380$@com> Tony- The gate is open all day on Friday and late into the evening- It is open testing on Friday run by the track, you pay BW for testing Friday, no tech required Friday- Tech normally starts at 3:00pm till 6:00pm on Friday and will b by registration- Saturday again at 7:00 am- Those FOT'ers are all welcome- Tentative Schedules are posted at www.vararacing.com under the 2nd tab "event info" - Hope to see you at the track- JW -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tony at tonydrews.com Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 7:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow schedule? Does anyone have info on the Buttonwillow schedule for this coming weekend? I'm specifically looking for when on Friday registration and tech opens, and when they allow us into the track. Also, is there any place in particular that the TRiumph guys generally set up shop? Thanks, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at race-dogs.com -- This message was scanned WACS, Inc. Spam Filters is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=133D9283F1.804DE From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Jun 2 10:07:04 2011 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 12:07:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VARAC/VRG Mosport in 2 weeks Message-ID: <002f01cc213f$1d602c00$58208400$@rr.com> Any of you plan on attending one of the best events in North America? Turn 2 has been described as a religious experience by many! I know Donn Sopp; Bill Rampe; Lee Walsh; Mark Wheatley; and I will be there leaking Triumph oil, well, Lee will have Turner oil seeping. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jun 2 10:35:26 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 12:35:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VARAC/VRG Mosport in 2 weeks In-Reply-To: <002f01cc213f$1d602c00$58208400$@rr.com> References: <002f01cc213f$1d602c00$58208400$@rr.com> Message-ID: Almost ready and yes going wide on 2 with a Shelby on my left was an experience for sure. http://vimeo.com/13035029 See you there Russ. A. On 2 June 2011 12:07, Spitfire Racing wrote: > Any of you plan on attending one of the best events in North America? Turn 2 > has been described as a religious experience by many! > > > > I know Donn Sopp; Bill Rampe; Lee Walsh; Mark Wheatley; and I will be there > leaking Triumph oil, well, Lee will have Turner oil seeping. > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jun 2 11:06:20 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 13:06:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] VARAC/VRG Mosport in 2 weeks Message-ID: In a message dated 06/02/2011 11:44:39 AM Central Daylight Time, andre at gt6.ca writes: > <<< Almost ready and yes going wide on 2 with a Shelby on my left was an > experience for sure. >>> > In spite of having one on one help from Kas available to me my first time at Mosport, I never did get close to getting Mosport Turn TWO right. I was racing our Thunder Bolt, which is RHD, and at my weight, in a left hand, downhill, double apex, off camber, blind corner...I was convinced I was going to roll over even in no traffic. Mosport's Turn TWO is one of road racing's Leaps of Faith. But my favorite at Mosport is coming out of Stirling Moss's corner and going up hill on the back straight. A TR drive train sure shines on that part of the track. I'd sure like to run Mosport again, and especially to get Bob Wismer up there one time. But alas, we'll be at the Blackhawk Vintage Classic, where we've been racing every Father's Day week end for 19 years. When vintage racing first started taking off in the late 1970s there were barely a half dozen events per year. Now it seems like there are a half dozen events each week end. That, dear friends, is one of our problems. Very, very hard for all of them to continue to be successful. Bill Dentinger From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Thu Jun 2 16:07:23 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 08:07:23 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 cam timing specs Message-ID: yes, silly me., typo. inlet begins to open 18 BTDC Terry From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 2 17:54:31 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 17:54:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Message-ID: <4DE822B7.90604@bradakis.com> I'm planning to arrive at the track late monday afternoon. Should I be begging for a crew pass or something like that so I can actually get onto the premises? mjb. From tr6driver at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 06:29:12 2011 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 05:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 superflex lower control bush needed...help? Message-ID: <810479.72409.qm@web114702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> As some of you may know, our TR6 ChumpCar ended up meeting the armco at a higher-than-desired rate of speed at the Charlotte race back in April. We're currently thrashing to create another TR6 Chumper out of the remnants of Lacey and a frame/tub from a team member. One of our few "splurges" on the car the first time around was a set of purple "SuperFlex" poly bushings. We've been able to save all but *one lower control arm bushing* from the wrecked car. Has anyone got a single bushing to sell? We've been trying to find anyone dealing with these in the US to no avail so far...and we'd rather not sub another type, although that is obviously an option. Any suggestions (besides buying a whole set)? Thanks. Remember, this is a truly chumpy car on a truly chumpy budget.... :-) Jamie Palmer tr6driver at yahoo.com Squadron Leader, RiffRAF Racing From limeyv8 at aol.com Fri Jun 3 13:10:17 2011 From: limeyv8 at aol.com (Jack McGahey) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:10:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 superflex lower control bush needed...help? In-Reply-To: <810479.72409.qm@web114702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <810479.72409.qm@web114702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: He means "SuperPro" - the Australian brand Right Jamie? Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Jamie Palmer wrote: > As some of you may know, our TR6 ChumpCar ended up meeting the armco at a > higher-than-desired rate of speed at the Charlotte race back in April. We're > currently thrashing to create another TR6 Chumper out of the remnants of Lacey > and a frame/tub from a team member. One of our few "splurges" on the car the > first time around was a set of purple "SuperFlex" poly bushings. We've been > able to save all but *one lower control arm bushing* from the wrecked car. > Has anyone got a single bushing to sell? We've been trying to find anyone > dealing with these in the US to no avail so far...and we'd rather not sub > another type, although that is obviously an option. > > Any suggestions (besides > buying a whole set)? Thanks. Remember, this is a truly chumpy car on a truly > chumpy budget.... :-) > > Jamie Palmer > tr6driver at yahoo.com > Squadron Leader, > RiffRAF Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From tr6driver at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 13:35:44 2011 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 12:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 superflex lower control bush needed...help? In-Reply-To: References: <810479.72409.qm@web114702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <558518.99915.qm@web114705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Right as usual, Jack. How could I forget that?!?!?! From: Jack McGahey To: Jamie Palmer Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Friday, June 3, 2011 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 superflex lower control bush needed...help? He means "SuperPro" - the Australian brand Right Jamie? Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Jamie Palmer wrote: > As some of you may know, our TR6 ChumpCar ended up meeting the armco at a > higher-than-desired rate of speed at the Charlotte race back in April. We're > currently thrashing to create another TR6 Chumper out of the remnants of Lacey > and a frame/tub from a team member. One of our few "splurges" on the car the > first time around was a set of purple "SuperFlex" poly bushings. We've been > able to save all but *one lower control arm bushing* from the wrecked car. > Has anyone got a single bushing to sell? We've been trying to find anyone > dealing with these in the US to no avail so far...and we'd rather not sub > another type, although that is obviously an option. > > Any suggestions (besides > buying a whole set)? Thanks. Remember, this is a truly chumpy car on a truly > chumpy budget.... :-) > > Jamie Palmer > tr6driver at yahoo.com > Squadron Leader, > RiffRAF Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Fri Jun 3 15:35:59 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 17:35:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] Alternator Retrofit Message-ID: <3f513.ca652b0.3b1aadbf@aol.com> All, Has anyone tried to retrofit a Delco alternator to a GT6? I have a '72 MKIII. The reason I ask is that my rebuilder says that the 15ACR is too small with the air conditioning (factory/dealer) that is installed on the car. The problem is that to make it work I will have to find someone to fabricate a new bracket. The Delco wants to occupy the same place as the solid mount that is on the block. Will something else work? I has to fit the same footprint as the Lucas as the Lucas almost touches the hood strut. Thanks for all your help. Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Jun 3 16:37:08 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:37:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Alternator Retrofit In-Reply-To: <3f513.ca652b0.3b1aadbf@aol.com> References: <3f513.ca652b0.3b1aadbf@aol.com> Message-ID: <060001cc223e$c6b4dbc0$541e9340$@rr.com> > Will something else work? There is a 55 amp Bosch alternator that will fit right into the 15 ACR mounts. It's a bit more expensive than the common Delcos (although Delco does make a similar unit); but my FLAPS had one on the shelf and the cost was only about $75 outright. I see Rockauto has several of them for $50 + shipping. Original equipment on a 78 Ford Fiesta with A/C (and a Bosch alternator, the Motorcraft unit is completely different). Another alternative is to cut into the alternator housing to make it fit. -- Randall From spitlist at cox.net Fri Jun 3 17:01:35 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 16:01:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Alternator Retrofit In-Reply-To: <060001cc223e$c6b4dbc0$541e9340$@rr.com> References: <3f513.ca652b0.3b1aadbf@aol.com> <060001cc223e$c6b4dbc0$541e9340$@rr.com> Message-ID: That is the one I put on my Spit as well. It is not only mount compatible but also plug compatible. And unlike the Delco unit, it is small enough in physical size that it does not look out of place. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 3:37 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Alternator Retrofit > Will something else work? There is a 55 amp Bosch alternator that will fit right into the 15 ACR mounts. It's a bit more expensive than the common Delcos (although Delco does make a similar unit); but my FLAPS had one on the shelf and the cost was only about $75 outright. I see Rockauto has several of them for $50 + shipping. Original equipment on a 78 Ford Fiesta with A/C (and a Bosch alternator, the Motorcraft unit is completely different). Another alternative is to cut into the alternator housing to make it fit. -- Randall triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net Triumphs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Fri Jun 3 17:49:54 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 19:49:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] [TR] Alternator Retrofit Message-ID: <436f6.e12aa22.3b1acd22@aol.com> That is the problem The engine mount wants to exist in the same place the alternator wants to occupy. I guess I should have stated that the alternator supplied is a 105 amp Delco. I guess that I will look at the 65 amp delco and the 55 amp Bosch. Thanks for your help. Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs In a message dated 6/3/2011 5:44:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tr3driver at ca.rr.com writes: > Will something else work? Another alternative is to cut into the alternator housing to make it fit. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From gaf3 at charter.net Sat Jun 4 04:30:30 2011 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 06:30:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cam Timing Degree Specs In-Reply-To: <4DE65F14.3040104@pobox.com> References: <4DE53BDC.2020807@charter.net> <4DE65F14.3040104@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4DEA0946.7060502@charter.net> Thanks to all for the feedback on cam timing specs. The cam checked out at both .010" and .050" lift to the specs you all provided and with the intake at 110 deg ATDC of full lift. Thanks for the Help! Glenn On 6/1/2011 11:47 AM, Larry Young wrote: > The best way to set up a cam is to use the intake center, i.e. point > of highest lift. It should be 110 ATC for this cam. (the average of > 18 BTC and 58 ABC). Look at my webpage on degreeing a cam - > http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tips_Takes.html There is also > a spreadsheet you can download. > > Richard, the reason for the difference between .007 and .010 is what I > call "valve train squish", i.e. the amount of compression in the valve > train due to the springs. Integral cams listed the 0.050 specs at 210 > also. > Larry > > On 5/31/2011 9:27 PM, Richard Good wrote: >> Glenn, >> >> The timing specs for the late TR6 cam are: >> >> Intake open 18 deg BTDC, close 58 deg ABDC >> Exhaust open 58 deg BBDC, close 18 deg ATDC >> >> I believe these timing specs are supposed to be point of >> opening/closing. If that is the case, with valve clearance spec of >> .010" at the valve, the tappet has to move .010" divided by rocker >> ratio of 1.45:1 = .007" before the valve starts opening. So you >> should be able to time to these specs at .007" of tappet lift. Stock >> cams I have checked appear to have this advertised duration at about >> .010" tappet lift so you may have to go to .010" to get these timing >> points to hold out. >> >> I have never seen .050" timing specs for the stock cam but the ones I >> have checked appear to have about 210 deg duration at .050" so the >> timing specs would be: >> >> Intake open 5 deg ATDC, close 35 deg ABDC >> Exhaust open 35 deg BBDC, close 5 deg BTDC >> >> Regards, >> Richard Good >> Good Parts Inc. From andre at gt6.ca Sat Jun 4 21:43:45 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 23:43:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Hood In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can anyone assist Laurent? A. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Laurent Nault Date: 4 June 2011 13:55 Subject: Hood To: andre at gt6.ca Hi Andri I had an accident with my car last week. A 5 tonnes truck back-up into me at a red light. He missed his entry and decide to back-up with out lookig. So I am looking for a hood (bonnet) for my GT6+ 69. Do you know somebody who has one that I can buy? Thanks Laurent GT6+ 69 http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/LarryBMW72/?action=view¤t=P1020410 .jpg http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/LarryBMW72/?action=view¤t=P1020416 .jpg -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sun Jun 5 04:45:14 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 20:45:14 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Re TR6 superflex lower control bush needed Message-ID: if you want the 'super-pro" bushes, i can help as we have a trade account with them, and in fact did all the protype development work with them in 1980's for nearly all the TR bushes. the bush colours used to designate the hardness, but now they make batches of bushes in different colours for various vendors like Chris Witor in UK who sell them under their own brand like "super-flex" Terry From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Jun 5 06:27:49 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 08:27:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Hood In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301cc237b$fc1fe500$f45faf00$@rogers.com> http://www.jaxed.com/cgi-bin/sd.cgi?cat=pts&fil=triumph+gt6&state=&submit=go http://www.searchtempest.com/results.php?location=13669&maxDist=1500®ion_ us=1&search_string=triumph+gt6&keytype=adv&Region=na&cityselect=zip&page=0&s howeb=1&category=8&subcat=pts&minAsk=min&maxAsk=max Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: June 4, 2011 11:44 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Hood Can anyone assist Laurent? A. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Laurent Nault Date: 4 June 2011 13:55 Subject: Hood To: andre at gt6.ca Hi Andri I had an accident with my car last week. A 5 tonnes truck back-up into me at a red light. He missed his entry and decide to back-up with out lookig. So I am looking for a hood (bonnet) for my GT6+ 69. Do you know somebody who has one that I can buy? Thanks Laurent GT6+ 69 http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/LarryBMW72/?action=view¤t=P102041 0 .jpg http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/LarryBMW72/?action=view¤t=P102041 6 .jpg -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Jun 6 07:10:47 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 09:10:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure Message-ID: What are you folks running for fuel pressure on 1-1/4 S.U.'s ? Spitfire application. Thanks, Marty From bownes at seiri.com Mon Jun 6 07:20:13 2011 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 09:20:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Disposing of a TR6 Message-ID: Folks, Figured I'd offer it up to the FOT first. I have a TR6 given to me by a friend for parts. If I can't get rid of it whole, I'm probably going to strip it for the running gear. I'd prefer to see it go whole to someone as a project. It is a 72, dark red, fibreglas fenders on all 4 corners, rusty trailing arm mounts, rust in the inner rear wheel arches. Hurting but recoverable. Located in Troy, N.Y. From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Jun 6 07:34:42 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 09:34:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Disposing of a TR6 Message-ID: <380-22011616133442632@M2W126.mail2web.com> Perfect LeMons car candidate!!! :D Original Message: ----------------- From: robert bownes bownes at seiri.com Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 09:20:13 -0400 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Disposing of a TR6 Folks, Figured I'd offer it up to the FOT first. I have a TR6 given to me by a friend for parts. If I can't get rid of it whole, I'm probably going to strip it for the running gear. I'd prefer to see it go whole to someone as a project. It is a 72, dark red, fibreglas fenders on all 4 corners, rusty trailing arm mounts, rust in the inner rear wheel arches. Hurting but recoverable. Located in Troy, N.Y. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jun 6 07:38:59 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 08:38:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D432@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> My pressure gauge says 5-6 pounds. I always expect it not to work, but it seems to work fine. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:11 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure What are you folks running for fuel pressure on 1-1/4 S.U.'s ? Spitfire application. Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 6 07:50:36 2011 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 06:50:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D432@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D432@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <3F6BA172-627E-4CEE-8E2C-409D23B02914@earthlink.net> 2.5 psi On Jun 6, 2011, at 6:38 AM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > My pressure gauge says 5-6 pounds. I always expect it not to work, but > it seems to work fine. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of marty sukey > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:11 AM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > > What are you folks running for fuel pressure on 1-1/4 S.U.'s ? Spitfire > application. > > Thanks, > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Jun 6 08:17:31 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:17:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure In-Reply-To: <3F6BA172-627E-4CEE-8E2C-409D23B02914@earthlink.net> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D432@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>, <3F6BA172-627E-4CEE-8E2C-409D23B02914@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the feedback Steve, Scott. I am struggling with a very intermittent problem with Evelyn's TR8 that I think might be fuel related. It just randomly shuts down every once in a while, feels like it runs out of gas. Let it sit for 5 minutes and it starts and runs file. Last couple of times it did it was once after 150 miles of driving and once after 250 miles of driving. Prior to that it ran a year after I had replaced the pump with no issues. Recently I replaced the ground wire just in case. Anyhow, the car came with one of those inexpensive chrome pressure regulators with the big round dial. I seem to recall folks having issues with those and was going to replace it with a Holley 12-804 and be able to rule that out as a possible problem source. My Spitfire has the same type of regulator so I was going to replace that one at the same time. Thanks again, Marty > CC: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 06:50:36 -0700 > To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com > > 2.5 psi > > > > > On Jun 6, 2011, at 6:38 AM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > > > My pressure gauge says 5-6 pounds. I always expect it not to work, but > > it seems to work fine. > > > > Scott B. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of marty sukey > > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:11 AM > > To: FOT > > Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > > > > What are you folks running for fuel pressure on 1-1/4 S.U.'s ? Spitfire > > application. > > > > Thanks, > > Marty > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jun 6 08:20:11 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 09:20:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow Message-ID: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } The first stop for some on the way to The Kastner Cup was great, Joe Siam had some very quick Spits at the track, Mordy proved to be very fast as usual, Tony gets the rookie of the year award, and we had some fairly decent weather with a lite shower on Saturday . More to follow I'm sure. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 6 08:31:51 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 16:31:51 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> This is from race two. My first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers Chris From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jun 6 08:46:29 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 09:46:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D432@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>, <3F6BA172-627E-4CEE-8E2C-409D23B02914@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D43E@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I had problems with that style pressure regulator (the inexpensive chrome one with the big round dial). I think others have as well. I replaced it with the Holley, replaced the Facet pump with a Holley Blue, put in a nice Autometer pressure gauge and I've had no problems since - with fuel stuff, anyway :-) I also had trouble with one of those glass in-line fuel filters. I liked it because you could see that you had fuel in the line, but it was REALLY restricting the flow. I was surprised how much it restricted flow. I ran a test, pumping fuel through the lines, eliminating one element at a time, to find my problem. That in-line filter cut flow by more than half, IIRC. Scott From: marty sukey [mailto:trmarty at hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 9:18 AM To: colordog.1 at earthlink.net; Barr, Scott Cc: FOT Subject: RE: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure Thanks for the feedback Steve, Scott. I am struggling with a very intermittent problem with Evelyn's TR8 that I think might be fuel related. It just randomly shuts down every once in a while, feels like it runs out of gas. Let it sit for 5 minutes and it starts and runs file. Last couple of times it did it was once after 150 miles of driving and once after 250 miles of driving. Prior to that it ran a year after I had replaced the pump with no issues. Recently I replaced the ground wire just in case. Anyhow, the car came with one of those inexpensive chrome pressure regulators with the big round dial. I seem to recall folks having issues with those and was going to replace it with a Holley 12-804 and be able to rule that out as a possible problem source. My Spitfire has the same type of regulator so I was going to replace that one at the same time. Thanks again, Marty > CC: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 06:50:36 -0700 > To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com > > 2.5 psi > > > > > On Jun 6, 2011, at 6:38 AM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > > > My pressure gauge says 5-6 pounds. I always expect it not to work, but > > it seems to work fine. > > > > Scott B. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of marty sukey > > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:11 AM > > To: FOT > > Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > > > > What are you folks running for fuel pressure on 1-1/4 S.U.'s ? Spitfire > > application. > > > > Thanks, > > Marty > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 6 08:58:14 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 10:58:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow In-Reply-To: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <8CDF2714C03FB13-1548-3BCBC@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> BUTTONWILLOW was all very cool.... KCUP committee says 28 entries for Laguna. excellent showing. lots of people coming to join us at the track. FOT ROCKS! -----Original Message----- From: Charly To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:20 am Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } The first stop for some on the way to The Kastner Cup was great, Joe Siam had some very quick Spits at the track, Mordy proved to be very fast as usual, Tony gets the rookie of the year award, and we had some fairly decent weather with a lite shower on Saturday . More to follow I'm sure. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jun 6 09:05:15 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:05:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure Message-ID: <13099.1307372715@mitchelplumbing.com> I had a problem similar to that with a TR6 that around town it was fine but once I opened it up on the freeway after about 10 minutes a seemed to run out of gas. I finally tracked it down to a restricted fuel line. If a car sits for a while the condensation in the tank settles to the lowest point, the fuel line and can cause some rust or corrosion to form. I simply ran a wire through the fuel line to break it up and then blew air through it with a chaser of WD40. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } On Mon 06/06/11 7:17 AM , marty sukey trmarty at hotmail.com sent: Thanks for the feedback Steve, Scott. I am struggling with a very intermittent problem with Evelyn's TR8 that I think might be fuel related. It just randomly shuts down every once in a while, feels like it runs out of gas. Let it sit for 5 minutes and it starts and runs file. Last couple of times it did it was once after 150 miles of driving and once after 250 miles of driving. Prior to that it ran a year after I had replaced the pump with no issues. Recently I replaced the ground wire just in case. Anyhow, the car came with one of those inexpensive chrome pressure regulators with the big round dial. I seem to recall folks having issues with those and was going to replace it with a Holley 12-804 and be able to rule that out as a possible problem source. My Spitfire has the same type of regulator so I was going to replace that one at the same time. Thanks again, Marty > CC: trmarty at hotmail.com [1]; fot at autox.team.net [2] > From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net [3] > Subject: Re: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 06:50:36 -0700 > To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com [4] > > 2.5 psi > > > > > On Jun 6, 2011, at 6:38 AM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > > > My pressure gauge says 5-6 pounds. I always expect it not to work, but > > it seems to work fine. > > > > Scott B. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [fot-bounces at autox.team.net [6]] On > > Behalf Of marty sukey > > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:11 AM > > To: FOT > > Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > > > > What are you folks running for fuel pressure on 1-1/4 S.U.'s ? Spitfire > > application. > > > > Thanks, > > Marty > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net [7] > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com [8] > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net [9] > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net [10] _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net [11] http://www.fot-racing.com [12] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [13] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [14] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [15] Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com [16] Links: ------ [1] mailto:trmarty at hotmail.com [2] mailto:fot at autox.team.net [3] mailto:colordog.1 at earthlink.net [4] mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com [5] mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com [6] mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net [7] mailto:fot at autox.team.net [8] mailto:scott.barr at mccarty-law.com [9] mailto:fot at autox.team.net [10] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net [11] mailto:fot at autox.team.net [12] http://www.fot-racing.com [13] http://www.team.net/donate.html [14] http://www.team.net/archive [15] http://www.team.net/forums [16] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Jun 6 10:04:32 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 12:04:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> Message-ID: <000001cc2463$6dd17eb0$49747c10$@rogers.com> Looks like you had him looking for you and not concentrating on his line or speed. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: June 6, 2011 10:32 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. My first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From chasgee at aol.com Mon Jun 6 10:58:33 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 12:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <000001cc2463$6dd17eb0$49747c10$@rogers.com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com><002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> <000001cc2463$6dd17eb0$49747c10$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <8CDF2821AC9F6E4-700-3D59E@webmail-d160.sysops.aol.com> I agree. What happened at the end? Chuck -----Original Message----- From: macdonaldp To: 'MadMarx' ; 'FOT' Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:17 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL Looks like you had him looking for you and not concentrating on his line or peed. -----Original Message----- rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On ehalf Of MadMarx ent: June 6, 2011 10:32 AM o: 'FOT' ubject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. y first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers hris ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 6 11:01:35 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 19:01:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <8CDF2821AC9F6E4-700-3D59E@webmail-d160.sysops.aol.com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com><002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> <000001cc2463$6dd17eb0$49747c10$@rogers.com> <8CDF2821AC9F6E4-700-3D59E@webmail-d160.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004a01cc246b$65a42aa0$30ec7fe0$@com> The engine moved 5mm to the front and ripped off the ignition wire  engine died. Car is still running and Ill try to move the front out and reconstruct it. Chris Von: chasgee at aol.com [mailto:chasgee at aol.com] Gesendet: Montag, 6. Juni 2011 18:59 An: macdonaldp at rogers.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL I agree. What happened at the end? Chuck -----Original Message----- From: macdonaldp To: 'MadMarx' ; 'FOT' Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:17 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL Looks like you had him looking for you and not concentrating on his line or speed. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: June 6, 2011 10:32 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. My first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From PegAndBobM at aol.com Mon Jun 6 11:46:12 2011 From: PegAndBobM at aol.com (PegAndBobM at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 13:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL Message-ID: <525f5.4b62dc6b.3b1e6c64@aol.com> Great video and side by side racing showing each other a lot of respect. Hope you remain friends. __it happens, even in vintage racing. In a message dated 06/06/2011 11:16:38 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, chasgee at aol.com writes: I agree. What happened at the end? Chuck -----Original Message----- From: macdonaldp To: 'MadMarx' ; 'FOT' Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:17 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL Looks like you had him looking for you and not concentrating on his line or peed. -----Original Message----- rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On ehalf Of MadMarx ent: June 6, 2011 10:32 AM o: 'FOT' ubject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. y first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers hris ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pegandbobm at aol.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jun 6 12:08:54 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 14:08:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> Message-ID: <9D1B61AB77F54962A5F838EE65616E63@gdhs.local> While I may be a bit prejudiced in favor of yellow TR3's (see pic attached) He checked up on you....off line and on the brakes again after he had already slowed for the turn. I notice that you have your OD switch on the wheel. How does it work for you when you go from, say, 3rd OD into 4th. Normal? I thought it would be difficult to coordinate switching out of 3OD on the wheel while shifting into 4th. For this reason I mounted a button switch on top of the gear shift ball where all you need do is punch the button as you shift....Must admit; however, sometimes that button gets pushed when I didn't want it pushed! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:32 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. My first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of VIR 2011.JPG] From malaboge at aol.com Mon Jun 6 14:06:25 2011 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 16:06:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> Message-ID: <8CDF29C591EAD63-1310-40EBD@webmail-m169.sysops.aol.com> Chris, Looks to me as though you had the TR3 really worried. He was taking some weird lines to try to keep you behind him! I believe his last ditch trick worked pretty well...he seemed to make you tap him on purpose to get you a little ruffled, and it seemed to work as you weren't all over him and he could take a breather. I know none of us would do such a thing, but I think I read it in a book that "some" drivers have been known to do exactly what he did...just sayin No I didn't...and you can't prove it... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'FOT' Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 7:31 am Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. y first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers hris ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com From riverside at southslope.net Mon Jun 6 14:47:39 2011 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:47:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Weber setup for sale Message-ID: A customer in Illinois called today to offer a TR6 weber setup for sale. I have no financial interest. His e-mail is broadbent.kent at gmail.com art de armond From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Jun 6 16:47:50 2011 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:47:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure References: Message-ID: <92AAE3FE32D142BFA2FD05A74EC77ED5@rocky> 2.5 psi on my HP (nee GP) 1147 Spitfire I run two Holley red fuel pumps that put out 7 psi each -- both running at the same time (from duckfoots in each back corner of the fuel cell) Up front the regulator chokes the flow down to 2.5. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:10 AM Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > What are you folks running for fuel pressure on 1-1/4 S.U.'s ? Spitfire > application. > > Thanks, > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Jun 6 16:56:24 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:56:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC Related - Tow Vehicle Oil Change Issue Message-ID: <4DED5B18.4040500@141.com> Hi gang! This is probably a silly question, but I didn't know if this would be a problem or not and wanted some expert advice. I had the oil changed in our 2002 Dakota today while it was having some other service and they put synthetic in it. To my knowledge, the truck has never had synthetic in it before, and it was not flushed or anything, just had the old oil dumped and the new synthetic put in it. I just got home and saw it on the receipt. Will this be a problem? The truck has approx. 235k miles on it and it has been doing very well. I really don't want to mess it up. Thanks in advance! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Mon Jun 6 17:21:04 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 19:21:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC Related - Tow Vehicle Oil Change Issue Message-ID: <5f592.6ed509e0.3b1ebae0@aol.com> Look for leaks. Other than that I wouldn't expect any problems. Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs In a message dated 6/6/2011 5:58:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, spitfiresuz at 141.com writes: Hi gang! This is probably a silly question, but I didn't know if this would be a problem or not and wanted some expert advice. I had the oil changed in our 2002 Dakota today while it was having some other service and they put synthetic in it. To my knowledge, the truck has never had synthetic in it before, and it was not flushed or anything, just had the old oil dumped and the new synthetic put in it. I just got home and saw it on the receipt. Will this be a problem? The truck has approx. 235k miles on it and it has been doing very well. I really don't want to mess it up. Thanks in advance! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From billb at bnj.com Mon Jun 6 17:43:05 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 16:43:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC Related - Tow Vehicle Oil Change Issue In-Reply-To: <4DED5B18.4040500@141.com> References: <4DED5B18.4040500@141.com> Message-ID: nope On Jun 6, 2011, at 3:56 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > Hi gang! > > This is probably a silly question, but I didn't know if this would be a problem or not and wanted some expert advice. I had the oil changed in our 2002 Dakota today while it was having some other service and they put synthetic in it. To my knowledge, the truck has never had synthetic in it before, and it was not flushed or anything, just had the old oil dumped and the new synthetic put in it. I just got home and saw it on the receipt. > > Will this be a problem? The truck has approx. 235k miles on it and it has been doing very well. I really don't want to mess it up. > > Thanks in advance! > > Keep Triumphing, > Susan :) > > -- > I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 skype: bill.babcockkenalu www.bnj.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Jun 6 18:27:35 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:27:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> Message-ID: <20110607003013.75A74187651@autox.team.net> His fault, he was driving with his mirrors, lost sight of the apex, it happens. Great race though jg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:32 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. My first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From igofaster at att.net Mon Jun 6 18:53:56 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 with SU175's? Message-ID: <906811.18946.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> So I bought a set of SU175's, used, on eBay. They came with the shorter version of the intake manifold which is what I think is 'early' manifold (69-70?) . My 1971 TR6 has the 'deeper' manifold and to make it easier I'm trying to line the SU's up on the deeper version. I'm wondering if the front carb will clear the hood with the dashpot seemingly close to the inner support beam of the hood. Or... does the GT6 intake manifold also line up with the TR6 head? I've got a couple modified intakes that take 175's. The TR6 manifold rises up from the head, the GT6 manifold drops down. Bobby Whitehead From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Mon Jun 6 19:42:51 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 21:42:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 with SU175's? Message-ID: <64ae3.49cc49a5.3b1edc1b@aol.com> Are you talking about ZS175's or HS6 Carbs? Looking at my GT6 everything looks close to the bonnet. I think that is why they put a bolt on the front valve cover mount instead of the usual stud. If in doubt you can mock it all up without gaskets and put some modeling clay on the parts you think you have clearance problems with and then GENTLY lower the bonnet and then raise the bonnet and measure the amount of "squish" to determine the clearance. Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs In a message dated 6/6/2011 7:57:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, igofaster at att.net writes: So I bought a set of SU175's, used, on eBay. They came with the shorter version of the intake manifold which is what I think is 'early' manifold (69-70?) . My 1971 TR6 has the 'deeper' manifold and to make it easier I'm trying to line the SU's up on the deeper version. I'm wondering if the front carb will clear the hood with the dashpot seemingly close to the inner support beam of the hood. Or... does the GT6 intake manifold also line up with the TR6 head? I've got a couple modified intakes that take 175's. The TR6 manifold rises up from the head, the GT6 manifold drops down. Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From goodparts at verizon.net Mon Jun 6 20:16:15 2011 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 22:16:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 with SU175's? In-Reply-To: <906811.18946.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <906811.18946.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006C06E3493042C4AB6CBB7371848FDA@AdminPC> Bobby, The early manifolds were used through 1971 (Vin# CC75000) and have closer port spacing than the later manifolds so they are not interchangeable on the same head. The port spacing is about 1-7/8" vs. 2-3/16". Make sure your manifold matches your head. The wrong one will bolt on and probably seal but will not flow well. I have not heard of any issues with SU HS6's on the stock manifold hitting the hood. GT6 manifolds have the wide port spacing so they can only be used on 1972 or later heads. With the GT6 manifold I am afraid your front air cleaner may interfere with the inner fender. Regards, Richard Good -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bobby Whitehead" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:53 PM To: "FoT Triumph" Subject: [Fot] TR6 with SU175's? > So I bought a set of SU175's, used, on eBay. They came with the shorter > version > of the intake manifold which is what I think is 'early' manifold (69-70?) > . My > 1971 TR6 has the 'deeper' manifold and to make it easier I'm trying to > line the > SU's up on the deeper version. I'm wondering if the front carb will clear > the > hood with the dashpot seemingly close to the inner support beam of the > hood. > Or... does the GT6 intake manifold also line up with the TR6 head? I've > got a > couple modified intakes that take 175's. The TR6 manifold rises up from > the > head, the GT6 manifold drops down. > > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Jun 6 21:48:24 2011 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 22:48:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner Message-ID: <000001cc24c5$c0f6f8b0$42e4ea10$@rr.com> I have started the disassembly of the TR3 to determine what went wrong in May at ECR. Last night after removing the radiator, I flushed it with the garden hose and found enough rust particles to cover the bottom of a jam jar. I use an aluminum radiator so my thinking right now is that these particles must be from the liners. The radiator also has a coating of oily gunk presumable from one of my head gasket failures in past race weekends. So I have two questions for the group: 1) What is a good chemical treatment for flushing oily residue from the alum radiator? 2) Who are the current sources for good quality liners? I am sure I'll have more questions once I pull and disassemble the engine. Thanks, Greg From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jun 7 00:17:33 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 08:17:33 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <8CDF29C591EAD63-1310-40EBD@webmail-m169.sysops.aol.com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> <8CDF29C591EAD63-1310-40EBD@webmail-m169.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000c01cc24da$97c9ff90$c75dfeb0$@com> Hi Nick, I have a G-force readout and speed too of my car. The yellow TR3 and me had lap by lap a cornering speed of 49-50 mph. I hit that car at a speed of 46 mph. So he was much slower at that moment, when he drove into my line. Thats all what I can tell you from my computer datas. Cheers Chris Von: malaboge at aol.com [mailto:malaboge at aol.com] Gesendet: Montag, 6. Juni 2011 22:06 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL Chris, Looks to me as though you had the TR3 really worried. He was taking some weird lines to try to keep you behind him! I believe his last ditch trick worked pretty well...he seemed to make you tap him on purpose to get you a little ruffled, and it seemed to work as you weren't all over him and he could take a breather. I know none of us would do such a thing, but I think I read it in a book that "some" drivers have been known to do exactly what he did...just sayin No I didn't...and you can't prove it... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'FOT' Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 7:31 am Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. My first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Jun 7 06:34:25 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 07:34:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner In-Reply-To: <000001cc24c5$c0f6f8b0$42e4ea10$@rr.com> References: <000001cc24c5$c0f6f8b0$42e4ea10$@rr.com> Message-ID: Since we can't run anti-freeze with its anti rust properties rust in the cooling system is common for us. I use water wetter most of the time and it purports to have some rust inhibitors but I still get rust. IMHO the rust is coming from the block, in the cooling areas around the liners. The older the engine the more it attaches to the liners. What I'm saying is I doubt you have a liner problem. The liners are a much higher quality steel than the cast block. Now that you mention it I'd better schedule a cooling system flush. I used to do that all the time. I think Prestone sells both a cooling systm chemical for flushing and an Anti Rust inhibitor. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:48 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner I have started the disassembly of the TR3 to determine what went wrong in May at ECR. Last night after removing the radiator, I flushed it with the garden hose and found enough rust particles to cover the bottom of a jam jar. I use an aluminum radiator so my thinking right now is that these particles must be from the liners. The radiator also has a coating of oily gunk presumable from one of my head gasket failures in past race weekends. So I have two questions for the group: 1) What is a good chemical treatment for flushing oily residue from the alum radiator? 2) Who are the current sources for good quality liners? I am sure I'll have more questions once I pull and disassemble the engine. Thanks, Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From rjl6n at cstone.net Tue Jun 7 07:07:00 2011 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:07:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner In-Reply-To: References: <000001cc24c5$c0f6f8b0$42e4ea10$@rr.com> Message-ID: I have used a mixture of distilled water plus Water Wetter and Prestone Water Pump Lube with Rust Inhibitors. This worked quite well for me. John On Tue, June 7, 2011 8:34 am, Kramer, Robert wrote: > Since we can't run anti-freeze with its anti rust properties rust in the > cooling system is common for us. I use water wetter most of the time and > it > purports to have some rust inhibitors but I still get rust. IMHO the rust > is > coming from the block, in the cooling areas around the liners. The older > the > engine the more it attaches to the liners. What I'm saying is I doubt you > have > a liner problem. The liners are a much higher quality steel than the cast > block. Now that you mention it I'd better schedule a cooling system flush. > I > used to do that all the time. I think Prestone sells both a cooling systm > chemical for flushing and an Anti Rust inhibitor. > > Bob Kramer > Texas Rental Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-687-7422 Office > 512-657-8526 Cell > > > Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things > turn > out. ~John Wooden > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of Greg & Alison Blake > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:48 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner > > I have started the disassembly of the TR3 to determine what went wrong in > May at ECR. Last night after removing the radiator, I flushed it with the > garden hose and found enough rust particles to cover the bottom of a jam > jar. I use an aluminum radiator so my thinking right now is that these > particles must be from the liners. The radiator also has a coating of > oily > gunk presumable from one of my head gasket failures in past race weekends. > So I have two questions for the group: > > > > 1) What is a good chemical treatment for flushing oily residue from > the alum radiator? > > 2) Who are the current sources for good quality liners? > > > > I am sure I'll have more questions once I pull and disassemble the engine. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jun 7 08:05:58 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:05:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC Related - Tow Vehicle Oil Change Issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My 2000 Dakota had 52000 when I bought it 3 yrs ago and the first thing I did was to put Valvoline Syn in it. No flush etc. Now at 105000 it has never missed a beat and doesn't use a drop of oil...... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 7:43 PM To: Susan Kahler Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC Related - Tow Vehicle Oil Change Issue nope On Jun 6, 2011, at 3:56 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > Hi gang! > > This is probably a silly question, but I didn't know if this would be > a problem or not and wanted some expert advice. I had the oil changed in our 2002 Dakota today while it was having some other service and they put synthetic in it. To my knowledge, the truck has never had synthetic in it before, and it was not flushed or anything, just had the old oil dumped and the new synthetic put in it. I just got home and saw it on the receipt. > > Will this be a problem? The truck has approx. 235k miles on it and it > has been doing very well. I really don't want to mess it up. > > Thanks in advance! > > Keep Triumphing, > Susan :) > > -- > I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 skype: bill.babcockkenalu www.bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Jun 7 09:22:48 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:22:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner In-Reply-To: <000001cc24c5$c0f6f8b0$42e4ea10$@rr.com> References: <000001cc24c5$c0f6f8b0$42e4ea10$@rr.com> Message-ID: <001901cc2526$c388a900$4a99fb00$@com> I used a product called "Sea Foam" to flush out the cooling system on one of my street cars when the head gasket failed and oil was being pumped into the coolant. It worked good, took a couple of flushes, put it in, run it for awhile, flush, do again. It's sold at most automotive stores. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:48 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner I have started the disassembly of the TR3 to determine what went wrong in May at ECR. Last night after removing the radiator, I flushed it with the garden hose and found enough rust particles to cover the bottom of a jam jar. I use an aluminum radiator so my thinking right now is that these particles must be from the liners. The radiator also has a coating of oily gunk presumable from one of my head gasket failures in past race weekends. So I have two questions for the group: 1) What is a good chemical treatment for flushing oily residue from the alum radiator? 2) Who are the current sources for good quality liners? I am sure I'll have more questions once I pull and disassemble the engine. Thanks, Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From jason at multivintage.com Tue Jun 7 11:19:41 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 12:19:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? Message-ID: For those of us wishing we were there... how about ANY kind of updates about how its going out there at our Big Event! In a racing world where certain networks broadcast 6 hours of discussion and analysis about guys and girls driving around in circles, How about someone out there playing Triumph Journalist and giving us some info on our Awesome Triumph Friends? Surely there is some kind of Media Center...stocked with fine aged wines, imported beer, beautiful people and live video feeds of on track action. Couldn't someone sit in there, basking in the air conditioned glory of the Monterrey experience and give us some info on who and what is running and how things are going. I mean this is THE KASTNER CUP for heavens sake. Give us some FOT news Please! Way To Into Triumphs, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jun 7 12:09:20 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 20:09:20 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <001a01cc2527$fafa4640$f0eed2c0$@com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> <001a01cc2527$fafa4640$f0eed2c0$@com> Message-ID: <001c01cc253e$0a3f4360$1ebdca20$@com> During the winter I've installed new gadgets at the suspension, like new front springs, an additionally leaf to the rear spring..... And the result was, I was slow. I was beaten in race 1 by some slower cars: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1882696461188 Overnight from Saturday to Sunday I moved all these gadgets out of my car and returned to the last years setup and it worked as you already seen at my video of race two. What do we learn...never change a well running system ;-) Cheers Chris From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jun 7 13:09:42 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 15:09:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDF35D970C8C00-1058-AEEB@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> it's awesome. i hope the KCUP committee will report tonight. John Nikas surprised us with event shirts....you can contact him for purchase. we likely will have posters left, if there is any interest.....sponsored by Nikas, Belfer, and A.R.E. Front runners 1ST SESSION....TR250K, TR4....MORDY HERALD....JERRY BAKER VITESSE out for the moment..... oil line TR4....PAUL SMOCK rebuilt engine at track after breaking crank at Buttonwillow. This is all very cool. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 12:19 pm Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? For those of us wishing we were there... how about ANY kind of updates about how its going out there at our Big Event! In a racing world where certain networks broadcast 6 hours of discussion and analysis about guys and girls driving around in circles, How about someone out there playing Triumph Journalist and giving us some info on our Awesome Triumph Friends? Surely there is some kind of Media Center...stocked with fine aged wines, imported beer, beautiful people and live video feeds of on track action. Couldn't someone sit in there, basking in the air conditioned glory of the Monterrey experience and give us some info on who and what is running and how things are going. I mean this is THE KASTNER CUP for heavens sake. Give us some FOT news Please! Way To Into Triumphs, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Jun 7 13:11:47 2011 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <001c01cc253e$0a3f4360$1ebdca20$@com> Message-ID: <1183366681.1843924.1307473907762.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Good philosophy that's been around for many years - "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2011 11:09:20 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL During the winter I've installed new gadgets at the suspension, like new front springs, an additionally leaf to the rear spring..... And the result was, I was slow. I was beaten in race 1 by some slower cars: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1882696461188 Overnight from Saturday to Sunday I moved all these gadgets out of my car and returned to the last years setup and it worked as you already seen at my video of race two. What do we learn...never change a well running system ;-) Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintage.racer at comcast.net From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Tue Jun 7 13:39:04 2011 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:39:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net> Second that! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jun 7, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > For those of us wishing we were there... how about ANY kind of > updates about > how its going out there at our Big Event! > In a racing world where certain networks broadcast 6 hours of > discussion and > analysis about guys and girls driving around in circles, How about > someone > out there playing Triumph Journalist and giving us some info on our > Awesome > Triumph Friends? > Surely there is some kind of Media Center...stocked with fine aged > wines, > imported beer, beautiful people and live video feeds of on track > action. > Couldn't someone sit in there, basking in the air conditioned glory of > the Monterrey experience and give us some info on who and what is > running > and how things are going. I mean this is THE KASTNER CUP for > heavens sake. > Give us some FOT news Please! > > Way To Into Triumphs, > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 14:10:30 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:10:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? In-Reply-To: <8CDF35D970C8C00-1058-AEEB@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDF35D970C8C00-1058-AEEB@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Sorry all for the delay. Awesome event with a large turnout. VIPS are all overall the place both TR and non. Ferraris, Birdcage Masers and Astons abound with Can-Am and F1 here too. Tons of good Triumph club folk visiting with great event swag and gourmet lunch buffet. We miss you all and will update when possible. On Jun 7, 2011 12:51 PM, wrote: > it's awesome. > > i hope the KCUP committee will report tonight. > > John Nikas surprised us with event shirts....you can contact him for > purchase. > > we likely will have posters left, if there is any interest.....sponsored by > Nikas, Belfer, and A.R.E. > > Front runners 1ST SESSION....TR250K, TR4....MORDY HERALD....JERRY BAKER > VITESSE out for the moment..... oil line TR4....PAUL SMOCK rebuilt > engine at track after breaking crank at Buttonwillow. This is all very cool. > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Ostrowski > To: triumph friends > Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 12:19 pm > Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? > > > For those of us wishing we were there... how about ANY kind of updates about > how its going out there at our Big Event! > In a racing world where certain networks broadcast 6 hours of discussion and > analysis about guys and girls driving around in circles, How about someone > out there playing Triumph Journalist and giving us some info on our Awesome > Triumph Friends? > Surely there is some kind of Media Center...stocked with fine aged wines, > imported beer, beautiful people and live video feeds of on track action. > Couldn't someone sit in there, basking in the air conditioned glory of > the Monterrey experience and give us some info on who and what is running > and how things are going. I mean this is THE KASTNER CUP for heavens sake. > Give us some FOT news Please! > > Way To Into Triumphs, > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jun 7 15:30:56 2011 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 16:30:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <000c01cc24da$97c9ff90$c75dfeb0$@com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> <8CDF29C591EAD63-1310-40EBD@webmail-m169.sysops.aol.com> <000c01cc24da$97c9ff90$c75dfeb0$@com> Message-ID: <4DEE9890.5070206@pobox.com> I seem to remember a previous video with that TR3 where he was driving dirty. Not what you would expect in vintage racing and especially not from a fellow TR guy. On 6/7/2011 1:17 AM, MadMarx wrote: > Hi Nick, > > > > I have a G-force readout and speed too of my car. > > The yellow TR3 and me had lap by lap a cornering speed of 49-50 mph. > > I hit that car at a speed of 46 mph. So he was much slower at that moment, > when he drove into my line. > > Thats all what I can tell you from my computer datas. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > Von: malaboge at aol.com [mailto:malaboge at aol.com] > Gesendet: Montag, 6. Juni 2011 22:06 > An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL > > > > Chris, > > > > Looks to me as though you had the TR3 really worried. He was taking some > weird lines to try to keep you behind him! I believe his last ditch trick > worked pretty well...he seemed to make you tap him on purpose to get you a > little ruffled, and it seemed to work as you weren't all over him and he > could take a breather. I know none of us would do such a thing, but I think > I read it in a book that "some" drivers have been known to do exactly what > he did...just sayin > > > > No I didn't...and you can't prove it... > > Nick in Nor Cal > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MadMarx > To: 'FOT' > Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 7:31 am > Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL > > This is from race two. > My first car to car contact at my race career. > > I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jun 7 16:15:59 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 00:15:59 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <4DEE9890.5070206@pobox.com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> <8CDF29C591EAD63-1310-40EBD@webmail-m169.sysops.aol.com> <000c01cc24da$97c9ff90$c75dfeb0$@com> <4DEE9890.5070206@pobox.com> Message-ID: <000601cc2560$7d52d390$77f87ab0$@com> Right - last year at Assen race track I was following him on a full throttle straight with 3 gentle kinks. You can take them all full without any problem. He did brake at one of them. I followed close behind to have profit from his drag and wasn't able to brake so I steered the car off track on the grass to avoid a crash at 110 mph. Have a look at 6:25. https://picasaweb.google.com/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 After the race I spoke to him but his answer was: "What, did I brake? If I brake then only if I'm too fast for a corner." Same excuse this time....he said that the incident was my fault and I should excuse to him as I have damaged his car and pushed him. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Larry Young Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juni 2011 23:31 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL I seem to remember a previous video with that TR3 where he was driving dirty. Not what you would expect in vintage racing and especially not from a fellow TR guy. On 6/7/2011 1:17 AM, MadMarx wrote: > Hi Nick, > > > > I have a G-force readout and speed too of my car. > > The yellow TR3 and me had lap by lap a cornering speed of 49-50 mph. > > I hit that car at a speed of 46 mph. So he was much slower at that moment, > when he drove into my line. > > Thats all what I can tell you from my computer datas. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > Von: malaboge at aol.com [mailto:malaboge at aol.com] > Gesendet: Montag, 6. Juni 2011 22:06 > An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL > > > > Chris, > > > > Looks to me as though you had the TR3 really worried. He was taking some > weird lines to try to keep you behind him! I believe his last ditch trick > worked pretty well...he seemed to make you tap him on purpose to get you a > little ruffled, and it seemed to work as you weren't all over him and he > could take a breather. I know none of us would do such a thing, but I think > I read it in a book that "some" drivers have been known to do exactly what > he did...just sayin > > > > No I didn't...and you can't prove it... > > Nick in Nor Cal > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MadMarx > To: 'FOT' > Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 7:31 am > Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL > > This is from race two. > My first car to car contact at my race career. > > I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From emanteno at comcast.net Tue Jun 7 22:24:04 2011 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 23:24:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? In-Reply-To: References: <8CDF35D970C8C00-1058-AEEB@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:10 PM, John Nikas wrote: > Sorry all for the delay. Awesome event with a large turnout. VIPS are all > overall the place both TR and non. Ferraris, Birdcage Masers and Astons > abound with Can-Am and F1 here too. Tons of good Triumph club folk visiting > with great event swag and gourmet lunch buffet. We miss you all and will > update when possible. Ellie and Hardy Prentice are here with the National Champion TR3 on display. National Champion Sam Halkias is also here, spectating. We had great racing weather today, 60's, mostly sunny, low humidity. For those who like me have never been to Laguna Seca, YOU MUST GET HERE. This place rocks. Some additional tidbits - Tony Garmey continues to amaze in the TR250K. A great car, driven greatly. Mordy Dunst in his TR4 rocket sled is truly dialed in. Paul Smock and the E ticket boys replaced the engine in his TR4 after Paul's crank broke at Buttonwillow. Tony Drews has the biggest smile on his face when he came in after his first session. All of the drivers here for the first time are getting faster and faster, and are really enjoying themselves. John Nikas arranged dinner for all of the FOT plus their families and crew this evening. No one left hungry or thirsty. There have been some mechanical issues, only 1 seems terminal for this event. KAS KASTNER and PEGGY - nothing more needs to be said. I can't wait to go back tomorrow. Irv Korey From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jun 8 00:06:50 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:06:50 +0200 Subject: [Fot] How to make...... In-Reply-To: References: <8CDF35D970C8C00-1058-AEEB@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000f01cc25a2$43502fc0$c9f08f40$@com> Making this stuff in Germany is really boring compared with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWxQmsPG6hY Cheers Chris From SpiwakD at aol.com Wed Jun 8 06:29:20 2011 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:29:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem Message-ID: <39467.265fa3bd.3b20c520@aol.com> I just had all new bearings installed in my TR3 at the local shop. We misread the dipstick marks(new dipstick) and it was low by 1 1/2 qts. I do have a Accusump. I ran two sessions and then pressure dropped to 20 lbs. The rod bearings are dark-colored and spun. The center main is spun also. We didn't remove the other caps yet. The local shop is afraid to put in new bearings because they might have missed something the last time. The crank had been ground and checked for trueness. I hate to take it to an engine builder because I won't see it for six months. I only got a half hour before bearing failure. Does anyone have any thoughts as to what to look for? From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed Jun 8 07:23:50 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:23:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem In-Reply-To: <39467.265fa3bd.3b20c520@aol.com> References: <39467.265fa3bd.3b20c520@aol.com> Message-ID: If they spun then they took metal off the journal. The heat indicates that it was going on for too long, but it all depends on how much metal was relieved. They are likely going to spin again right away. The crank has to come out. I've replaced a spun bearing at the track trying to save weekend and it spun again almost immediately. YMMV. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:29 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem I just had all new bearings installed in my TR3 at the local shop. We misread the dipstick marks(new dipstick) and it was low by 1 1/2 qts. I do have a Accusump. I ran two sessions and then pressure dropped to 20 lbs. The rod bearings are dark-colored and spun. The center main is spun also. We didn't remove the other caps yet. The local shop is afraid to put in new bearings because they might have missed something the last time. The crank had been ground and checked for trueness. I hate to take it to an engine builder because I won't see it for six months. I only got a half hour before bearing failure. Does anyone have any thoughts as to what to look for? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 08:20:12 2011 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 07:20:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? In-Reply-To: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net> References: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com> I'm a Did not show (DNF?) I was planning to be a spectator and got sidelined at the AZ/CA border with a bad alternator and dead battery in the TR3. My hope is to get back on the road about 10AM Wed morning with a newly rebuilt alternator. :( I was looking forward to the races. If there is any way to snag and extra poster please let me know what I need to do to get one. Teriann From gasket.works at gte.net Wed Jun 8 08:28:46 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:28:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? Message-ID: <164541539-1307543327-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-872392864-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Track temp @ 0700 is 51d. Overcast. Air density 96%. Mildly humid. Yesterday fot group... Had a spectacular day despite minor to major mechanicals. Thanks to HMSA / Cris Vandagrif Mazda Raceway for giving us premier pitting area in front of some enormously expensive and rare race cars. Laguna Seca must be one the best venues for drivers anywhere. I can think of other fabulous tracks but, the elevation changes and the large paddock area is hard to beat. Harder for spectators but, there are some super places for viewing. Turns. Midday sun and blue sky with scattered white clouds added to fast race times. I like this track and would come back in a heartbeat. HMSA has given the fot contingent more track time in one day than most weekends combined as well as Lunches provided daily. The kcup group put on a burger bash last night. Perhaps for 80+ people. Cocktail flag up. All the fixings included plus a super desert. Non stop music and festivities. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Jun 8 09:29:17 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 15:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem In-Reply-To: <270442075.972759.1307546643489.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <916611506.973067.1307546957122.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Bearing clearances and oil weight are a couple you can check. Check the remaining main clearances. Some builders use .003 on the rods and mains. Greg Solow uses .0025 - .00275. Do you know what your clearances were ? And what weight oil were you running. I was reading up on different oils and went to the Joe Gibbs site and found some interesting bits. This is the first time I have seen different oil weights matched to bearing clearances. If interested here's the link and some text I cut & pasted from the site. http://www.joegibbsdriven.com/products/syntheticracingoil/xp2.html XP-1 Viscosity typical of SAE 5W-20. V8 engines with clearances under .0025 XP-2 Viscosity typical of SAE 0W-20. Restricted air intake engines and engines with clearances under .0020 XP-3 Viscosity typical of SAE 10W-30. Engines with clearances under .0027 XP-7 Viscosity typical of SAE 10W-40. Designed for clearances under .0030 Jim G ----- Original Message ----- From: SpiwakD at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2011 6:29:20 AM Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem I just had all new bearings installed in my B TR3 at the local shop. We misread the dipstick marks(new B dipstick) and it was low by 1 1/2 qts. I do have a Accusump. I ran two sessions B and then pressure dropped to 20 lbs. The rod bearings are dark-colored and spun. B The center main is spun also. We didn't remove the other caps yet. B The local shop is afraid to put in new bearings because they might have B missed something the last time. The crank had been ground and checked for B trueness. I hate to take it to an engine builder because I won't see it for B six months. I only got a half hour before bearing failure. B Does anyone have any thoughts as to what to look B for? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jun 8 10:08:27 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 12:08:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? In-Reply-To: <4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com> References: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net> <4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CDF40D6FB6B699-34C-160B6@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com> i have posters.....hope alternator works out. joe -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:20 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? I'm a Did not show (DNF?) I was planning to be a spectator and got sidelined at the AZ/CA border with a bad alternator and dead battery in the TR3. My hope is to get back on the road about 10AM Wed morning with a newly rebuilt alternator. :( I was looking forward to the races. If there is any way to snag and extra poster please let me know what I need to do to get one. Teriann _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jun 8 11:00:23 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:00:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] Turner racer looking for help... Message-ID: <33210.fdb5c3d.3b2104a7@aol.com> Amici... A fellow SVRA/VSCDA racer name John Ruth contacted me looking for help with fasteners for TRIUMPH wire wheel adapters. I have zero knowledge concerning wire wheels for TRIUMPHs. Can anyone help him? His request appears below, including his email address (and in the Copy to; box as well). Thanks. Bill Dentinger <<<-Hello Bill Hoping you can help - I have a Turner Mk III that uses a lot of Triumph parts - one part I am trying to get confirmation on is the nuts that hold the knock-off adapter onto the hub. My Turner has special hex nuts that have a conical seat (or bottom ) - the Turners were made with all kinds of other companies components - though I suspect the nuts in question were sourced from Triumph. As mentioned, the Hex nuts are special ones that have a conical bottom to seat onto the hub (after the nut is tightened onto the stud and bears against the hub). I know you race a TR3 and hope you can confirm the type (design) of the special nuts to attach the knock-off extension to the hub. I need to get hold of some new nuts - since 4 of mine parted company with the car! John Ruth (jdruth at att.net) ->>> From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jun 8 11:47:51 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:47:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Turner racer looking for help... In-Reply-To: <33210.fdb5c3d.3b2104a7@aol.com> References: <33210.fdb5c3d.3b2104a7@aol.com> Message-ID: I think The hub nuts he is looking for are on the bottom of this page they should fit all the triumph Hubs they are 7/16. http://www.wirewheelsource.com/JagTriumphHubs.html. hope this helps. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > Amici... > > A fellow SVRA/VSCDA racer name John Ruth contacted me looking for help with > fasteners for TRIUMPH wire wheel adapters. I have zero knowledge > concerning wire wheels for TRIUMPHs. Can anyone help him? His request > appears > below, including his email address (and in the Copy to; box as well). > Thanks. > Bill Dentinger > > <<<-Hello Bill > > Hoping you can help - I have a Turner Mk III that uses a lot of Triumph > parts - one part I am trying to get confirmation on is the nuts that hold > the > knock-off adapter onto the hub. My Turner has special hex nuts that have > a > conical seat (or bottom ) - the Turners were made with all kinds of other > companies components - though I suspect the nuts in question were sourced > from Triumph. As mentioned, the Hex nuts are special ones that have a > conical > bottom to seat onto the hub (after the nut is tightened onto the stud and > bears against the hub). I know you race a TR3 and hope you can confirm the > type (design) of the special nuts to attach the knock-off extension to the > hub. I need to get hold of some new nuts - since 4 of mine parted company > with > the car! John Ruth (jdruth at att.net) ->>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Jun 8 11:52:03 2011 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (jerryvv at roadrunner.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:52:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Turner racer looking for help... In-Reply-To: <33210.fdb5c3d.3b2104a7@aol.com> Message-ID: <20110608175203.FXSYP.231796.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> I would contact The Roadster Factory. Question is are they Big TR size or Spitfire? Maybe the same, don't know that to be true or false. May well be the same as used on MG and AH big and small. I think they will be farly common among the British wire wheel cars using that same adapter. Or call Scott Harper at Team Triumph 330-392-7176 who may well have used nuts if you can identify the thread size. JVV ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > A fellow SVRA/VSCDA racer name John Ruth contacted me looking for help with > fasteners for TRIUMPH wire wheel adapters. I have zero knowledge > concerning wire wheels for TRIUMPHs. Can anyone help him? His request appears > below, including his email address (and in the Copy to; box as well). Thanks. > Bill Dentinger > > <<<-Hello Bill > > Hoping you can help - I have a Turner Mk III that uses a lot of Triumph > parts - one part I am trying to get confirmation on is the nuts that hold the > knock-off adapter onto the hub. My Turner has special hex nuts that have a > conical seat (or bottom ) - the Turners were made with all kinds of other > companies components - though I suspect the nuts in question were sourced > from Triumph. As mentioned, the Hex nuts are special ones that have a conical > bottom to seat onto the hub (after the nut is tightened onto the stud and > bears against the hub). I know you race a TR3 and hope you can confirm the > type (design) of the special nuts to attach the knock-off extension to the > hub. I need to get hold of some new nuts - since 4 of mine parted company with > the car! John Ruth (jdruth at att.net) ->>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jun 8 12:16:42 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 20:16:42 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem In-Reply-To: <39467.265fa3bd.3b20c520@aol.com> References: <39467.265fa3bd.3b20c520@aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01cc2608$38e000e0$aaa002a0$@com> Could it be oil starving? At my engine I run tight rod clearance (0.00118) and lose main bearing clearance (0.0027-0.003) because of crank flexing. I use 10w60 oil. Pressure at 70 psi. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von SpiwakD at aol.com Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. Juni 2011 14:29 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Bearing problem I just had all new bearings installed in my TR3 at the local shop. We misread the dipstick marks(new dipstick) and it was low by 1 1/2 qts. I do have a Accusump. I ran two sessions and then pressure dropped to 20 lbs. The rod bearings are dark-colored and spun. The center main is spun also. We didn't remove the other caps yet. The local shop is afraid to put in new bearings because they might have missed something the last time. The crank had been ground and checked for trueness. I hate to take it to an engine builder because I won't see it for six months. I only got a half hour before bearing failure. Does anyone have any thoughts as to what to look for? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 13:02:46 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:02:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? In-Reply-To: <8CDF40D6FB6B699-34C-160B6@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com> References: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net> <4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com> <8CDF40D6FB6B699-34C-160B6@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Wow! Every triumph race and street car is being staged for a group photo on the corkscrew at lunch with Kas in front. Epic. On Jun 8, 2011 9:35 AM, wrote: > i have posters.....hope alternator works out. > > joe > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:20 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? > > > I'm a Did not show (DNF?) I was planning to be a spectator and got sidelined > at the AZ/CA border with a bad alternator and dead battery in the TR3. My > hope is to get back on the road about 10AM Wed morning with a newly rebuilt > alternator. :( > > I was looking forward to the races. If there is any way to snag and extra > poster please let me know what I need to do to get one. > > Teriann > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jun 8 13:29:49 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:29:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Windsheild Protector Message-ID: Greetings, I'm noticing alot of nics and chips in the original style glass windshield of my GT6 race car. I was wondering if there is some type of coating or film that can be used to prevent this? Has anyone tried something like this or know of a place that can provide this for a tiny car? I've seen things on line things for NASCAR type tear offs...but am thinking of something that might be used for a longer period of time and not multi-layer or tinted. Thanks in advance. Jason Ostrowski Friendly ghost racing From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Jun 8 13:35:34 2011 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:35:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca grid In-Reply-To: References: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net> <4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com> <8CDF40D6FB6B699-34C-160B6@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <96BCF325-6B27-4497-A8D7-54E21C090C66@earthlink.net> Any chance we could get the grid positions for The Race? Top ten maybe? Have a good, safe race all. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jun 8, 2011, at 1:02 PM, John Nikas wrote: > Wow! Every triumph race and street car is being staged for a group > photo on > the corkscrew at lunch with Kas in front. Epic. > On Jun 8, 2011 9:35 AM, wrote: >> i have posters.....hope alternator works out. >> >> joe >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:20 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? >> >> >> I'm a Did not show (DNF?) I was planning to be a spectator and got > sidelined >> at the AZ/CA border with a bad alternator and dead battery in the >> TR3. My >> hope is to get back on the road about 10AM Wed morning with a newly > rebuilt >> alternator. :( >> >> I was looking forward to the races. If there is any way to snag >> and extra >> poster please let me know what I need to do to get one. >> >> Teriann >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Jun 8 14:07:15 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 16:07:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Time to order FLAGS Message-ID: Amici, Time to start ordering. Details 2x3foot size Logo is about 16 inches high 2 grommets Indoor outdoor use Material is great quality I have a proof picture if your interested in seeing it. I made the decision to go single sided. This means the words will be reversed on the back. Price is $15 each. Shipping is included. Deadline to order is august 8, 2011. I will place the order then and they should be sent out to you by mid September. Payments to paypal (SeaCubeCo at aol.com) or check to Chris Bock 3630 Italia Ave Vineland, NJ 08361 Chris From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 15:23:56 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:23:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca grid In-Reply-To: <96BCF325-6B27-4497-A8D7-54E21C090C66@earthlink.net> References: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net> <4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com> <8CDF40D6FB6B699-34C-160B6@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com> <96BCF325-6B27-4497-A8D7-54E21C090C66@earthlink.net> Message-ID: The Kastner Cup went off with the first six of Drews in his 4, Solow in a Morgan , Mitchel in his 6, Barker and his Herald and Doug Sallen in a Morgan. Tony Garmey in the 250K and Mordy started last. By the second lap Garmey had the lead for good with Solow in 2d. Mordy had 3d by the 4th lap and kept it. Charlie pulled into 5th behind Drews who got clipped at the checkered flag by Bill Hart's hard charging Devin. Jerry Barker took 4th in the Herald and received the Cup from Kas who said this was the most competitive cup ever. More news to follow. On Jun 8, 2011 12:35 PM, "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" wrote: > Any chance we could get the grid positions for The Race? Top ten maybe? > Have a good, safe race all. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Jun 8, 2011, at 1:02 PM, John Nikas wrote: > >> Wow! Every triumph race and street car is being staged for a group >> photo on >> the corkscrew at lunch with Kas in front. Epic. >> On Jun 8, 2011 9:35 AM, wrote: >>> i have posters.....hope alternator works out. >>> >>> joe >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:20 am >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? >>> >>> >>> I'm a Did not show (DNF?) I was planning to be a spectator and got >> sidelined >>> at the AZ/CA border with a bad alternator and dead battery in the >>> TR3. My >>> hope is to get back on the road about 10AM Wed morning with a newly >> rebuilt >>> alternator. :( >>> >>> I was looking forward to the races. If there is any way to snag >>> and extra >>> poster please let me know what I need to do to get one. >>> >>> Teriann >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> lunkercars at earthlink.net From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Jun 8 16:43:50 2011 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 16:43:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kas Cup '11 Message-ID: <31E856CE-5328-4C7B-9718-8C626A4D9832@earthlink.net> Congrats Jerry, That's one fast Herald! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From stutzmans at comcast.net Wed Jun 8 17:18:12 2011 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 19:18:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Turner racer looking for help... In-Reply-To: <33210.fdb5c3d.3b2104a7@aol.com> References: <33210.fdb5c3d.3b2104a7@aol.com> Message-ID: <8979A53B169B463ABADA2D8394EFD222@ComputerPC> >From his description they are the same ones used on TR2-6. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 1:00 PM Subject: [Fot] Turner racer looking for help... > Amici... > > A fellow SVRA/VSCDA racer name John Ruth contacted me looking for help > with > fasteners for TRIUMPH wire wheel adapters. I have zero knowledge > concerning wire wheels for TRIUMPHs. Can anyone help him? His request > appears > below, including his email address (and in the Copy to; box as well). > Thanks. > Bill Dentinger > > <<<-Hello Bill > > Hoping you can help - I have a Turner Mk III that uses a lot of Triumph > parts - one part I am trying to get confirmation on is the nuts that hold > the > knock-off adapter onto the hub. My Turner has special hex nuts that have > a > conical seat (or bottom ) - the Turners were made with all kinds of other > companies components - though I suspect the nuts in question were sourced > from Triumph. As mentioned, the Hex nuts are special ones that have a > conical > bottom to seat onto the hub (after the nut is tightened onto the stud and > bears against the hub). I know you race a TR3 and hope you can confirm > the > type (design) of the special nuts to attach the knock-off extension to the > hub. I need to get hold of some new nuts - since 4 of mine parted company > with > the car! John Ruth (jdruth at att.net) ->>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Wed Jun 8 17:58:47 2011 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 23:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Chip Collinwood Message-ID: <875333361.1445360.1307577527523.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Does anyone have contact info for Chip his restoration shop is in Va.B thanksB B rob From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 21:11:19 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 20:11:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas Cup '11 In-Reply-To: <31E856CE-5328-4C7B-9718-8C626A4D9832@earthlink.net> References: <31E856CE-5328-4C7B-9718-8C626A4D9832@earthlink.net> Message-ID: We really missed all those that couldn't attend this year's event. We had three races with 3 separate trophy presentations and 2 practice sessions and 2 qualifying sessions. Gourmet lunch was provided each day and we had a giant BBQ last night. The racing was more competitive than any prior cup race according to most and the photo with all the cars staged on the corkscrew was a once in a lifetime experience. So many people flew or drove out that we couldn't name them all. It was absolutely wonderful. Thanks to all who made it possible and congratulations to 2011 winner Jerry Barker (former SCCA national champion in a Spitty)! On Jun 8, 2011 4:08 PM, "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" wrote: > Congrats Jerry, > That's one fast Herald! > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From herald948 at aol.com Wed Jun 8 21:21:16 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 23:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca grid In-Reply-To: References: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net><4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com><8CDF40D6FB6B699-34C-160B6@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com><96BCF325-6B27-4497-A8D7-54E21C090C66@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CDF46B6CD1B273-1EB8-412D@webmail-d011.sysops.aol.com> Yeah! Go Heralds...and go Jerry; congratulations! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: John Nikas ...Jerry Barker took 4th in the Herald and received the Cup from Kas who said this was the most competitive cup ever. From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jun 8 22:24:20 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 23:24:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kup 2011 report Message-ID: <20110608232420.uu0qydceisc4c8wk@www.tonydrews.com> Kas Kup 2011 report Drove from Illinois to Buttonwillow CA, made it ahead of time. Beautiful drive! Track was open Friday for test day so got set up in plenty of time. Had the privilege of attending the VARA rookie meeting (2 hours) and wearing rookie stripes on my car for that event. Much fun was had by all. In the Sunday race, all of the white Triumphs were parked by the side of the track. Jerry Barker killed a tranny, Paul Smock broke a (billet crower) crank, and John Frymark ran out of gas. John's was the preferable failure. I was the 2nd TR in the finishing order, I think. Ok track, but I wouldn't go a great distance to drive it again. Stayed overnight in Buttonwillow, drove up to Laguna Seca on Monday. Gorgeous drive. Got to Laguna Seca around 3 pm, and found Jerry changing trannys and they had just finished pulling Paul's engine - lashed to two boards with people lifting (!). I missed the pull by 3 minutes. Darn. :) We were let in and were given primo front row paddock positions. Paul's car was started with new motor with an hour to spare for the morning practice. THAT's not being beaten by equipment! Very impressive. Went out for practice Tuesday morning, and those couple of hundred laps of Laguna on the various game consoles paid off. I knew the layout, just needed to figure out the speeds. WHAT A TRACK!!!! Wow. Had a couple of races later Tuesday. I did pretty well, top 5ish. The 250K, Mordy's bionic TR-4, Greg Solow's bionic Morgan, Jerry Barker's bionic Herald and eventually Bill Hart and his very nice TR Devin were my main competition. All were very well driven. Greg broke a clutch and took the car home for repair. Jerry put in another tranny or two. Wednesday, the first race had me gridded 3rd, but numbers 1 and 2 were no-shows putting me on the pole. I had a great dice with Bill Hart, going side by side through turns 2 and 3 and pulled out a bit of a gap. After several laps, we got a full course caution with pace car due to a car stopped in an impact zone. Bill Hart and Greg Solow were the two cars behind me and I knew I was sunk. Thankfully, we ended under caution and I won. Yeah! The 2nd race was the Kastner Cup race and everyone was there in full force. I was gridded on the pole (!). John gave a nice writeup of the race. It was a great battle. I held off Bill Hart until nearly the end - missed a shift on the last run to the checkered flag. Only shift I missed all weekend. It let him by me by half a car length at the finish. It was a great drive by Bill. I think that put me in 6th. We had a fantastic time playing with each other all weekend. The 3rd race was the "trophy" race. Again, I started on the pole. I was passed by Greg Solow immediately, but he was having grip issues and I passed him back in turn 3. I pulled out a bit of a gap, but he eventually found grip in his tires and drove back by me. Bill Hart finally became one with the track and blew by me, and had a great dice with Greg. Eventually I saw a red car looming in my mirror and assumed it was Mordy. Upon further inspection it was Charlie Mitchell. I held him off for a while, but he eventually got by me. That's the way we finished: Greg, Bill, Charlie and me. The hospitality was great, I'm sore but happy (almost too much track time), and I need a new left rear tire, because I wore it out. The weather for both events was fantastic. The Triumph racers group is the best, I felt very welcome. John Nikas did a fantastic job pulling this together. We had very nice posters and shirts. Laguna Seca rocks. It is one of the top drivers tracks - right up there with Mosport and VIR. I still had things to learn about it, and look forward to trying to learn those another day. Tony Drews From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jun 9 08:16:03 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:16:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Question Message-ID: Looking at the rubber hoses and associated hose clamps in the engine compartment of the Spitty, thinking there has to be a better/safer way. I think the way to go would be SS braided line and AN fittings. Question is, how would you tie into the fuel tubes sticking out of the 1-1/4 S.U.'s? Any advice out there? Thanks, Marty From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu Jun 9 08:46:50 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:46:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] K-Cup winner Message-ID: Congrats to winning the race. I am sorry that I couldn't get out there. Maybe next year I can. A thought I had was if Greg (the winner) doesn't have a grill badge and/or a flag he should be awarded his choice. Since I did the grill badge and am working on the flag I figured I would offer it. What's the thought about it out there? Are the photos hitting the web soon? I can't wait to see them I love this group! From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu Jun 9 08:49:32 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:49:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can use the SS braided lines with hose clamps. There is a cover to mostly hide the hose clamps. I am not sure how to adapt AN fitting to the S.U. Chris On Jun 9, 2011, at 10:16 AM, marty sukey wrote: > Looking at the rubber hoses and associated hose clamps in the engine > compartment of the Spitty, thinking there has to be a better/safer way. I > think the way to go would be SS braided line and AN fittings. Question is, > how would you tie into the fuel tubes sticking out of the 1-1/4 S.U.'s? Any > advice out there? > > Thanks, > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From malaboge at aol.com Thu Jun 9 09:36:01 2011 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 11:36:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDF4D2123299D9-1EFC-7C172@webmail-d169.sysops.aol.com> Marty, The tubes in the float bowl tops are pressed in...and yes I have seen them come adrift!. Take a pair-o-pliers and wiggle them out (no sweat if they break off anyway). Carefully drill and tap the openings for 1/8" pipe. Order up a coupla 1/8" to AN4 fittings and Bob's your uncle. When drilling be sure to go deep enuf to get max threading, then apply something like permatex no1 to the threads and screw them in just past snug...too deep and you'll split the aluminum over the top of the fitting. I zip tie the ss hose to the air horns so that there is no weight on the fittings from the weight of the hose...prolly overkill, but ya never know. Just keepin that gas flowin in Nor Cal... Nick ps wish I coulda been there with you all...was entered but broke it at ThunderHill just prior (was supposed to be my shakedown race) and haven't had the time to delve into it yet... -----Original Message----- From: marty sukey To: FOT Sent: Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:16 am Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Question Looking at the rubber hoses and associated hose clamps in the engine ompartment of the Spitty, thinking there has to be a better/safer way. I hink the way to go would be SS braided line and AN fittings. Question is, ow would you tie into the fuel tubes sticking out of the 1-1/4 S.U.'s? Any dvice out there? Thanks, arty ______________________________________________ From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net Thu Jun 9 10:27:31 2011 From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 09:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos Message-ID: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> All, I was in the passenger seat of the pace car for one of the races, shooting pictures blindly over my shoulder out the back window. This wasn't exactly easy coming down out of the corkscrew! Hope you enjoy these photos. http://www.flickr.com/photos/14001317 at N02/sets/72157626922991656/ Cheers, Tim Pettenati From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu Jun 9 13:13:25 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:13:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> I love those pics. Anyone out there have more? How about done in car videos? On Jun 9, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Tim Pettenati <1964spitfire at pacbell.net> wrote: > All, > > I was in the passenger seat of the pace car for one of the races, shooting > pictures blindly over my shoulder out the back window. This wasn't exactly easy > coming down out of the corkscrew! Hope you enjoy these photos. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/14001317 at N02/sets/72157626922991656/ > > Cheers, > Tim Pettenati > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 13:50:09 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:50:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> References: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately, Dennis and Joan, Henry and Irv, Joe and Sean et al are all still traveling. As soon as everyone gets back I'm sure we'll have photos and video galore. On Jun 9, 2011 12:43 PM, "Christopher Bock" wrote: > I love those pics. Anyone out there have more? How about done in car videos? > > > On Jun 9, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Tim Pettenati <1964spitfire at pacbell.net> wrote: > >> All, >> >> I was in the passenger seat of the pace car for one of the races, shooting >> pictures blindly over my shoulder out the back window. This wasn't exactly > easy >> coming down out of the corkscrew! Hope you enjoy these photos. >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14001317 at N02/sets/72157626922991656/ >> >> Cheers, >> Tim Pettenati >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From emanteno at comcast.net Thu Jun 9 14:46:26 2011 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:46:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: References: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:50 PM, John Nikas wrote: > Unfortunately, Dennis and Joan, Henry and Irv, Joe and Sean et al are all > still traveling. As soon as everyone gets back I'm sure we'll have photos > and video galore. > Tony has some in car video, he hasn't had a chance to view it yet to see if it came out okay. He should be home Sunday. I have some pics, but I don't have a website to post them. Awesome, awesome event. Well done, John Nikas. Irv From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 15:06:48 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:06:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: References: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks Irv but gratitude belongs to the Kcup committee of Paul Smock who handled entries, Mordy who fed us, John Frymark who arranged great lodging, Steve Belfer who designed posters, ads and tech stickers and Casey Annis who gave us free pub in Vintage Racecar Journal. It truly takes a village to put on an event like this. On Jun 9, 2011 1:46 PM, "Irv Korey" wrote: > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:50 PM, John Nikas wrote: > >> Unfortunately, Dennis and Joan, Henry and Irv, Joe and Sean et al are all >> still traveling. As soon as everyone gets back I'm sure we'll have photos >> and video galore. >> > > Tony has some in car video, he hasn't had a chance to view it yet to see if > it came out okay. He should be home Sunday. > > I have some pics, but I don't have a website to post them. > > Awesome, awesome event. Well done, John Nikas. > > Irv From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Jun 9 15:20:25 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 21:20:25 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos Message-ID: <202489562-1307654426-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-418799649-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> We have vids .....just have to wait to get them on the weeb. ------Original Message------ From: Christopher Bock Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: Tim Pettenati Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos Sent: Jun 9, 2011 12:13 PM I love those pics. Anyone out there have more? How about done in car videos? On Jun 9, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Tim Pettenati <1964spitfire at pacbell.net> wrote: > All, > > I was in the passenger seat of the pace car for one of the races, shooting > pictures blindly over my shoulder out the back window. This wasn't exactly easy > coming down out of the corkscrew! Hope you enjoy these photos. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/14001317 at N02/sets/72157626922991656/ > > Cheers, > Tim Pettenati > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 15:14:32 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:14:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Swag Message-ID: We have approximately 50 short sleeve T-shirts in various sizes and about 24 long sleeve T-shirts. They look absolutely awesome. We also have a limited number of posters left courtesy of VTR which is IMHO the nicest one ever. It features a list of famous race car drivers who drove Triumphs and depicts a 63 Sebring car racing through the Florida night. The image was printed in Art History in Vintage Racecar and was specially commissioned for this event. It is really impressive and suitable for framing with names like Adamowicz, Hill, Newman, Johns, Rothschild, Halkias, McQueen, Elford et al. Shirts are $20. Orders go through Joe Alexander. From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Jun 9 15:57:38 2011 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 21:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Message-ID: <140547496.1966180.1307656658406.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Event report and photos submitted to Classic Motorsports magazine today which should appear in a future issue. Gary From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Thu Jun 9 17:34:37 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:34:37 EDT Subject: [Fot] Alternator Refit Message-ID: I received my Bosch alternator today and while it looks like it will mount up ok I don't know where to put the wires. Anyone BTDT? Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Thu Jun 9 18:11:27 2011 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:11:27 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Message-ID: <0F4E4914F13445F789AE128C35BF18F6@GEOFFPC> Amici We Triumph enthusiasts in Aus are keen followers of the Kastner Cup races and as Editor of the TSOA NSW magazine TREAD I try to get some info and pix for a article in the mag each year. So if anyone can send me a list of competitors and their cars together with the results and any other details with a pix or two it would be most appreciated and get you guys some "international profile!!" Our own All Triumph race is coming up on June 26 at Wakefield Park Goulburn NSW where we expect to have a record grid of 28 Triumphs. Just like you guys cars come from all over Australia for this annual event Regards Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down under From triosan at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 18:35:45 2011 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 17:35:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <0F4E4914F13445F789AE128C35BF18F6@GEOFFPC> References: <0F4E4914F13445F789AE128C35BF18F6@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: That is cool Geoff. We need to get your pics where we can see them also! The actual race was won by Tony Garmey in the TR250K -- ran away from the field and won by over 30 seconds. Tony Drews claims he missed a shift coming out of the last corner and that allowed Bill Hart in the Devin Triumph to overrcome him for 4th place. Greg Solow in his Mogan proved strong enough to keep Modrdy Dunst an his hot TR4 fromever takingover 2nd. That was a great battle the entire race -- and since Garmey was so far ahead it w3as like for first. By the way, Bill Hart [and the Garmey prepared Devin] have gotten much better and faster. He slowly but surely overcame over a 300 yard lead by Drews so as to be in position to overtake right at the finish line. Charley Nitchell in his TR6 and Jim Frymark in his TR4 had a great battle the entire race -- lots of side by side. Charly told ne he pulled off a pass on about lap 5 of the about 10 lap race entering the corkscrew! Really fun, sure hope to be init next year from the road instead of the fence. Chuck Arnold [who watched, but had no camera or car for this years K cup.] On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: > Amici > We Triumph enthusiasts in Aus are keen followers of the Kastner Cup races > and > as Editor of the TSOA NSW magazine TREAD I try to get some info and pix for > a > article in the mag each year. So if anyone can send me a list of > competitors > and their cars together with the results and any other details with a pix > or > two it would be most appreciated and get you guys some "international > profile!!" > Our own All Triumph race is coming up on June 26 at Wakefield Park Goulburn > NSW where we expect to have a record grid of 28 Triumphs. Just like you > guys > cars come from all over Australia for this annual event > Regards > Geoff Byrne > TR6 Racer Down under > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jun 9 19:10:25 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 21:10:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Alternator Refit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not sure if I have the same "Bosch" alternator as you. Mine has a Bosch sticker on it and a number above a bar code 14824, but it also has ND stamped into the center of the rear cover (Nippon Denso). In any case, its a small 50-55 amp unit I got at Pep Boys. If you google "worldwide alternator 14824" it will take you to an Advance Auto Parts website with a photo of the rear of this alternator, showing the connections. from 5 minutes on the web, it looks like there have been many variations made and sold by ND and Bosch. The threaded stud terminal is wired directly to the battery on my car with a 4 gauge wire, though it should be wired through the kill switch, and there is a three spade connection designed for a plug connector. You only need to connect a wire to one of those from your ignition/power switch. If you think of the spade (male) connectors as forming a "U", with two parallel to each other and one at right angles at the bottom of the U, the ignition switch wire should go to the right hand side of the U. I can send you a photo, but if this set-up matches yours all should be clear. I think the other connectors are for an idiot light and I'm not sure what else. On Jun 9, 2011, at 7:34 PM, TRDOCTOR at aol.com wrote: I received my Bosch alternator today and while it looks like it will mount up ok I don't know where to put the wires. Anyone BTDT? Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From kaskas at cox.net Thu Jun 9 20:11:04 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 02:11:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The Cup race Message-ID: As usual, some folks for some reason fail to remember the parameters of the winner choosing of this cup. It is NOT necessarily the winner of the race. The race counts a lot, but it is foremost to the party that is PERFORMING OUT OF CLASS. The race only counts for about 50% of value in the total. The Mordy Dunst TR-4 at Portland, the Jerry Barker, Herald at Laguna, are samples of this. Keith Files at Topeka TR-4 with a bunch of other very very good TR-4 cars. Chuck Gee and his Spitfire at Utah. Tony Garmey at Watkins Glen TR250K, they were all way out of class with their finish. A few times the apparent obvious person to win failed to finish the race, DNF, and so did the chance of winning this cup. These are examples of my position in the choice. There are more, but be reminded of the idea. Next year at Atlanta will be open season for everyone. The another rule to remember, you are not allowed to win this cup in consecutive years, but there are now several that are outside of that time frame. Looks like an open season. Never be beaten by equipment From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 9 20:20:34 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 20:20:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Home Message-ID: <4DF17F72.5030902@bradakis.com> Made it home. It was a nice trip. Thanks to many of you. mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jun 9 20:18:51 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:18:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP LAGUNA SECA ..SPITFIRE REPORT..TUESDAY Message-ID: <7A26D01DDD6D4FC6B1449C96A9AA4CA9@Bud> Just briefly... There were 5 Spitfires.. by # JIM NORLIN..White Car #3 STAN RINNE.Black Car #5 BUD DELAUER Blue car #21 TOM TURNER..Red Car #43 STEPHAN HARE yellow Car #85 The first race on Tuesday showed very close competition all around..Stan & Jim were having a close battle til' the end..nose to bumper.. Bud & Tom had a great battle with lots of passing...Stephan was chomping at the bit as he moved up on us results STAN..JIM....BUD..TOM..STEPHAN 2nd race tuesday Stan didn't race because of an oil leak... Jim was winner..led by a bunch the whole way Tom, Stephan and Bud had a terrific race.. Bud and Tom were doing lots of passing each other while Stephan methodicaly got closer and closer as Bud and Tom were paying attention to their battle...I dove inside Tom just before the apex to turn #6...Tom held his line and I had to back off, which threw me way off of my line so I understeered to the outside of the track and a tiny bit further(the dirt)..Tom got away..I checked my mirrors, and there was Stephan..right on my ass!..Up the hill..down the hill..into #11..there he is, filling my mirrors...I'd pull away on the long straight...by the time we got back around the track that damn yellow car was again getting ready to 'eat me'..I was just waiting for the starter to give the 1 lap finger...Finally it came..That's the time in a race when all the promises we make to ourselves to not 'break the car' are cast to reckless abandon..Stephan was in my mirror that entire last lap, and gaining, gaining, gaining..turn #11..he's right on me..I out dragged him to the checkered... What a Race! I'd like to add that everyone in All of the Triumphs drove extremely well...I truly felt confident that I was racing with people whom I could trust... (i guess this wasn't such a brief report after all.(:>) Racer bud..spitfire #21 From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Thu Jun 9 20:34:08 2011 From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:34:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Triumph engine and transmission Message-ID: <38BEE8B6A1C848A88BCD006421B59E36@TER2> I am forwarding this message to the list because I thought it might be of interest to one of us. At the moment, I have enough engines and have no need for a transmission. The seller is a good guy with a very interesting Volvo powered Marcos GT. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: Denman Mike To: Solow Greg Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:34 PM Subject: Triumph engine and transmission Hi Greg, I am the guy who owns and drove the Marcos at Thunderhill a couple of weeks ago. At any rate, I have a TR3 engine and transmission that I am going to sale. I have attached pictures of the engine. I don't seem to have a picture of the transmission. I don't really know the history of these items. I bought them as "spare parts" for a TR3 I own. Using the flywheel the engine turns over easily enough. I dropped the pan and the insides are clean and the bearing caps seem to be in the right places as do the rod caps.The rocker shaft is definitely bad. The studs holes in the exhaust manifold are bad. The engine hasn't been run since it was painted Austin Healy green (overspray still in the exhaust ports)The transmission (no overdrive) seems to find all the gears but beyond that I haven't looked at the insides. I would like to get $250 for the pair which is a lot less than I paid for them. I am not interested in buy or selling "junk", therefore I will refund your money if you decide within 2 weeks that you don't want them for any reason. Let me know by email or phone if you have any interest. Tomorrow (Thursday) afternoon I plan on moving them to my aircraft hanger in San Martin to stage them with a lot of other items that i am going to advertise on Craig's list etc. so I would appreciate hearing back before then. Mike Denman 831 661-0875 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpg which had a name of 3m33pa3l35Z55P35R5b2137e0a1bfb1f415a7.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpg which had a name of 3m93pa3o85O25V55Q5b216e2d51cd838f1eda.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpg which had a name of 3nb3kc3pc5O55V45Q0b2185db7f65328c1354.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpg which had a name of 3ne3me3o65O35Q15Z1b21fc007a32aeb119d6.jpg] From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 9 21:50:20 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 21:50:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: References: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> Message-ID: <4DF1947C.2090908@bradakis.com> I'm bummed. My camera died on the trip, it would NOT turn itself on. Fresh batteries did not help. Great trip, but no photos to go with it. mjb. From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jun 9 21:58:18 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 22:58:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Message-ID: <28793.1307678298@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Back home from the haul from Monterey and regrouping and heading to Mission BC tomorow for more racing, 3 events in 9 days, Buttonwillow, Laguna Seca and VRCBC historics. Thanks to all that put on a great event in Monterey, and there were a lot of persons that made this event great. The hospitality was great, the track was great, the racing was great, the comradirie was great and most of all the FoT is great. Now I'm trying to figure how to get my car to Atlanta. Any one got any ideas how to get it down there from the Seattle area? That's about 2800 miles for me. Again, thanks to all that made this happen. And to Kas for creating this legacy. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jun 9 23:25:09 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 00:25:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos Message-ID: <29184.1307683509@mitchelplumbing.com> I have a panoramic shot of the cars in the paddock if someone would like it to post on a website with other Monterey shots for all to see. Charly Mitchel BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } On Thu 09/06/11 8:50 PM , Mark J Bradakis mark at bradakis.com sent: I'm bummed. My camera died on the trip, it would NOT turn itself on. Fresh batteries did not help. Great trip, but no photos to go with it. mjb. _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [2] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [3] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [4] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [5] Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com [6] Links: ------ [2] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [3] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 9 23:33:38 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 23:33:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: <29184.1307683509@mitchelplumbing.com> References: <29184.1307683509@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <4DF1ACB2.7060905@bradakis.com> One could put photos on the Triumph forum at http://www.team.net/forums mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jun 10 00:41:39 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 01:41:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> References: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> Message-ID: <20110610014139.om52niajusksoco0@www.tonydrews.com> I have in car video from all 3 races on Wednesday. Will take me a while to get it encoded and posted after I make it back home. There were a few go pro cameras out there, one in Mordy's car. Tony Quoting Christopher Bock : > I love those pics. Anyone out there have more? How about done in car videos? > > > On Jun 9, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Tim Pettenati <1964spitfire at pacbell.net> wrote: > >> All, >> >> I was in the passenger seat of the pace car for one of the races, shooting >> pictures blindly over my shoulder out the back window. This wasn't exactly > easy >> coming down out of the corkscrew! Hope you enjoy these photos. >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14001317 at N02/sets/72157626922991656/ >> >> Cheers, >> Tim Pettenati >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From gasket.works at gte.net Fri Jun 10 08:13:07 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:13:07 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca videeo of kcup race Message-ID: <1551862983-1307715189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-388756304-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> I purchased a go pro camera just for this event. The nearly 30 min HD video of the kcup race could be up loaded? Perhaps made less data rich and edited to make it more upload able somehow to somewhere it is 4gig. I'll figure it out. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jun 10 08:32:50 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:32:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Alternator Refit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I know this might be a bit late, but for all who may encounter this problem in the future, DB Electrical in Johnson City TN offers a 50 amp small alternator (4'' x 4.5") with mounting hole centers @5 3/8" under the name of "Denso Chevy Street Rod Race". The other nice thing is that it's a one wire alternator, even I knew how to hook this up! Only costs $74.00. Installed on my TR3A and it works like a charm and no problems with header clearance etc. They have a web cite with pics etc........ John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 9:10 PM To: TRDOCTOR at aol.com Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Alternator Refit Not sure if I have the same "Bosch" alternator as you. Mine has a Bosch sticker on it and a number above a bar code 14824, but it also has ND stamped into the center of the rear cover (Nippon Denso). In any case, its a small 50-55 amp unit I got at Pep Boys. If you google "worldwide alternator 14824" it will take you to an Advance Auto Parts website with a photo of the rear of this alternator, showing the connections. from 5 minutes on the web, it looks like there have been many variations made and sold by ND and Bosch. The threaded stud terminal is wired directly to the battery on my car with a 4 gauge wire, though it should be wired through the kill switch, and there is a three spade connection designed for a plug connector. You only need to connect a wire to one of those from your ignition/power switch. If you think of the spade (male) connectors as forming a "U", with two parallel to each other and one at right angles at the bottom of the U, the ignition switch wire should go to the right hand side of the U. I can send you a photo, but if this set-up matches yours all should be clear. I think the other connectors are for an idiot light and I'm not sure what else. On Jun 9, 2011, at 7:34 PM, TRDOCTOR at aol.com wrote: I received my Bosch alternator today and while it looks like it will mount up ok I don't know where to put the wires. Anyone BTDT? Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From andre at gt6.ca Fri Jun 10 08:47:03 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:47:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca videeo of kcup race In-Reply-To: <1551862983-1307715189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-388756304-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <1551862983-1307715189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-388756304-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Try http://vimeo.com/ A. On 10 June 2011 10:13, wrote: > I purchased a go pro camera just for this event. The nearly 30 min HD video of the kcup race could be up loaded? Perhaps made less data rich and edited to make it more upload able somehow to somewhere it is 4gig. I'll figure it out. > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From andre at gt6.ca Fri Jun 10 08:51:20 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:51:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca videeo of kcup race In-Reply-To: References: <1551862983-1307715189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-388756304-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: http://www.squared5.com/ Free software to down convert to a smaller size with limited trimming feature. A. On 10 June 2011 10:47, Andre Rousseau wrote: > Try http://vimeo.com/ > > A. > > On 10 June 2011 10:13, wrote: >> I purchased a go pro camera just for this event. The nearly 30 min HD video of the kcup race could be up loaded? Perhaps made less data rich and edited to make it more upload able somehow to somewhere it is 4gig. I'll figure it out. >> >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca >> >> >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jun 10 09:00:39 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 11:00:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca videeo of kcup race In-Reply-To: <1551862983-1307715189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-388756304-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <823CFB407EFF4D3EA594E7E06D2472B1@gdhs.local> I found that with my GoPro that you have to first convert the MP4 format to a DVD format before you can e-mail the darn things. There are cheep programs on the net that will do this..... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 10:13 AM Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Seca videeo of kcup race I purchased a go pro camera just for this event. The nearly 30 min HD video of the kcup race could be up loaded? Perhaps made less data rich and edited to make it more upload able somehow to somewhere it is 4gig. I'll figure it out. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 10 11:17:37 2011 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk farms fathers day Message-ID: <111016.22587.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone have a crew pass available for the fathers day festivities at blackhawk farms??? Thanks, Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From amacarthur3 at socal.rr.com Fri Jun 10 12:52:01 2011 From: amacarthur3 at socal.rr.com (amacarthur3 at socal.rr.com) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:52:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <20110610185202.UWOAM.146901.root@cdptpa-web13-z02> Thanks for finally getting me in the car,,, my camera was also not working so the only video I have is of my fat face before the race,,, I would have loved to show everyone the battle that was going on with Charlie and John right in front of me... oh well, next time,, Mac From ac at camoletti.ch Fri Jun 10 14:00:26 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:00:26 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Teri Ann Message-ID: <008e01cc27a9$0aa95e90$1ffc1bb0$@camoletti.ch> Maybe I missed the mail telling the end of this episode but did Teri Ann manage to Reach Laguna on time ? Cheers ! Alex Jan 59 3A From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 14:17:30 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:17:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Video sub In-Reply-To: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9DC5F9CC-811E-47F7-ADC3-DF18238EE69A@gmail.com> While we're waiting for Kas Cup video to get posted, here's a nicely done roadrunner's level view of the track (and rearview mirror) taken recently from a Mini Cooper. Duncan From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jun 10 15:08:19 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:08:19 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Results sheet Message-ID: If anyone has a result sheet from the Cup race I would greatly appreciate having a copy. Scan and send is just fine if you have the time. We had to leave right after the event and missed taking care of that business. Never be beaten by equipment From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 15:42:33 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:42:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Help in Utah Message-ID: Amici, does anyone happen to live in Park City or close thereto? From jerrybarr at charter.net Fri Jun 10 16:09:17 2011 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:09:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stuck bonnet on a TR250 Message-ID: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> A friend of my grandson has a TR250 and let the bonnet fall closed and now it is stuck closed. Does anyone have an idea how to get it open? Any help will be greatly appreciated. From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jun 10 16:34:29 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:34:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stuck bonnet on a TR250 References: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> Message-ID: <7C4043463754432A92FD584C38FB9D57@Bud> he might be able to budge it free by getting under the car and pushing up on the bonnet with a pole/stick while someone is pulling on the release handle RB. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Barr" To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 3:09 PM Subject: [Fot] Stuck bonnet on a TR250 >A friend of my grandson has a TR250 and let the bonnet fall closed and now >it > is stuck closed. Does anyone have an idea how to get it open? Any help > will be > greatly appreciated. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From jmwagner at tstonramp.com Fri Jun 10 16:38:30 2011 From: jmwagner at tstonramp.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:38:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stuck bonnet on a TR250 In-Reply-To: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> References: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> Message-ID: <00083DA6-A6F5-4601-915D-A9A89ECC38A3@tstonramp.com> This will help.... > http://www.vtr.org/maintain/stuck-bonnet.shtml From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Jun 10 16:39:51 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:39:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stuck bonnet on a TR250 In-Reply-To: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> References: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> Message-ID: <000001cc27bf$503a8130$f0af8390$@com> Is the cable to the release latch broke or does that seem to be working? If the cable seems to be working, try pushing down on the center of the hood right above the latch (the very rear of the hood). Sometimes my TR5 hood release is really tight but after a shove down on the rear of the hood and releasing the hood, the release cable will then unlatch the hood. If the cable is broken, that's another problem!!! There are procedures on the web if I recall correctly as to how to release the hood on the various Triumph's. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Barr Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 5:09 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Stuck bonnet on a TR250 A friend of my grandson has a TR250 and let the bonnet fall closed and now it is stuck closed. Does anyone have an idea how to get it open? Any help will be greatly appreciated. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri Jun 10 17:17:55 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:17:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thanks Message-ID: <4DF2A623.9030408@comcast.net> Patty and I have made it safely back home in Oregon thanks to Mordy and Paul who helped get the motorhome restarted at the end of the weekend. New battery and the long tow home was uneventful, just like you want them. Thanks also to the Spitfire racers, Racer Bud, Tom & Steve for helping get my car fixed in time to make the start of the Kastner Cup race (barely) and to Stan for showing me the way round Laguna Seca. What a great track! Finally thanks to all the organizers and folks that helped make this event great. It was good to reconnect and meet so many Triumph nuts! Jim & Patty Norlin - Spitfire 03 From jerrybarr at charter.net Fri Jun 10 18:07:13 2011 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:07:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stuck bonnet on a TR250 In-Reply-To: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> References: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> Message-ID: <7D9EE1E0-4A85-45A2-80B6-C48BC21E8AE5@charter.net> Thanks for all the help! We will check the stuck bonnet tomorrow and see what happens. I am a TR3, GT6, Spitfire guy and do not have much experience with TR4-TR250's. Now I have some idea of what I am facing to get it unstuck. On Jun 10, 2011, at 5:09 PM, Jerry Barr wrote: > A friend of my grandson has a TR250 and let the bonnet fall closed and now it > is stuck closed. Does anyone have an idea how to get it open? Any help will be > greatly appreciated. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jun 10 20:16:26 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:16:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Help in Utah In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DF2CFFA.6070009@bradakis.com> John Nikas wrote: > Amici, does anyone happen to live in Park City or close thereto? > Salt Lake City is about half an hour away. You know, I think I am the only FOT guy in Utah. mjb. From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Jun 10 21:47:42 2011 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 23:47:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Message-ID: <774AA234E1EF483EBC697B7F522EE0C8@TRIUMPH.local> OK, as it has already been said, was truly an awesome event. The guys on the west coast REALLY know how to throw a party! The on track action was spectacular, as was the activity with the wrenches in the paddock. Jerry Barker showed he is still has it, and retirement is not going to slow him down on the track. While he and his guys did a couple of gearbox swaps, he made for one hell of a show. A very deserving winner of the Kastner Cup. Congrats Jerry! Tony Garmey made the TR250K fly, as usual. Incredible car, driver, and show. Well done! Bill Hart had his TR powered Devin hauling the mail when it counted on the last sessions of the weekend. Restored my faith in rebodied TR3's for sure. That car was hooked up, and Bill made it look easy. As the only car (I think) to cross the Rockies, Tony Drews made quite a showing in his Red Rocket. Consistantly ran towards the front of the field, and even though he never turned a wheel at Laguna Seca before he did pull of a first overall in one race at the event. Rumor has he won the Rookie of the Year award at Buttonwillow over the past weekend, that's what happens when you make one of our fast guys wear a rookie stripe for an event. Hopefully somebody will figure out what's wrong with this picture! Excellent hospitality, it was great to see old friends and make some new ones. When I get some good pictures, I will post them to the fot-racing.com website. Email me what you have. Stay tuned for information on the 2012 Kastner Cup event, it is going to be big... Henry F yellow04 at tr4racer.com From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jun 10 22:45:53 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:45:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-Reply-To: <774AA234E1EF483EBC697B7F522EE0C8@TRIUMPH.local> References: <774AA234E1EF483EBC697B7F522EE0C8@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <4DF2F301.6030608@bradakis.com> It was indeed a good event. First off I made it there with no loss of life or limbs. I do have scars on my leg from the ill fated attempt to make last year's event. One can't really complain when the major impediment to getting on site was being stuck behind the Chrysler 300 club while they clogged up the entry road. I enjoyed seeing not one but TWO 1147 Spits out on track. Of course they don't command the attention of the fast guys in the trick machinery, but there's a big spot in my heart for such cars. I'd not been to Laguna Seca before, have read about it and the races there for many years. Standing on the bricks on the hill by the Corkscrew looking out over the track and the surrounding area was quite an experience. I'm glad that after I said my goodbyes in the paddock I didn't head home quite yet but went back up to the Corkscrew, eventually getting treated to some nice wine and yet another Triumph race. It was a good trip. mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jun 10 23:36:41 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 00:36:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Results sheet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110611003641.869je4vzks48wg0w@www.tonydrews.com> I found no result sheets for any of Wednesday's activities. I would love copies of results from all 3 races that day. Tony Drews Quoting Kas Kastner : > If anyone has a result sheet from the Cup race I would greatly appreciate > having a copy. Scan and send is just fine if you have the time. We had to > leave right after the event and missed taking care of that business. > > Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sat Jun 11 00:48:35 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 23:48:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Results sheet In-Reply-To: <20110611003641.869je4vzks48wg0w@www.tonydrews.com> References: <20110611003641.869je4vzks48wg0w@www.tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <4DF30FC3.5070706@comcast.net> Patty & I stopped by the registration motorhome after the last race to see if we could get final results. No one home. I heard that results will be posted on HMSA's website. I just looked, it may take a while - the last update was May 23. On 6/10/2011 10:36 PM, tony at tonydrews.com wrote: > I found no result sheets for any of Wednesday's activities. I would > love copies of results from all 3 races that day. > > Tony Drews > > Quoting Kas Kastner : > >> If anyone has a result sheet from the Cup race I would greatly >> appreciate >> having a copy. Scan and send is just fine if you have the time. We >> had to >> leave right after the event and missed taking care of that business. >> >> Never be beaten by equipment >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 11 07:00:43 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:00:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] posters and shirts for laguna seca kastner cup Message-ID: <8CDF64EB4E1E7C5-2298-3E3B@web-mmc-d10.sysops.aol.com> hold that thought....i am still traveling. the shirts were arranged by john nikas the posters were underwritten by A.R.E. and Steve Belfer. complete info on size etc will help. paypal useful. in utah, home sunday, then preparing for blackhawk classic. then put-in-bay race reunion.....time is limited. john nikas also has shirts if i dont have the right size for you. shirts are $20 posters are free shipping and packaging to be determined From gasket.works at gte.net Sat Jun 11 07:58:46 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:58:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Results sheet Message-ID: <1544503727-1307800727-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1555450099-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Hmsa will email the results to me. I will get them to Henry to put on the fot site. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sat Jun 11 08:39:24 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:39:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Results sheet Message-ID: <5008.1307803164@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } I have a couple from Wednesday but not the last race. I'm in Canada racing now, but on Monday I'll send out what I have to anyone who wants them or if there's a place I can send them for all to veiw, I'll send them there. Charly Mitcjel TR6 #44 On Fri 10/06/11 2:08 PM , Kas Kastner kaskas at cox.net sent: If anyone has a result sheet from the Cup race I would greatly appreciate having a copy. Scan and send is just fine if you have the time. We had to leave right after the event and missed taking care of that business. Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [2] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [3] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [4] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [5] Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com [6] Links: ------ [2] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [3] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sat Jun 11 13:31:00 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:31:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Low voltage miss? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D4F7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I'm currently using a distributor with a Pertronix II Ignitor in it. A couple of weekends ago at Blackhawk Farms, the engine developed a miss at 7,000 revs - wouldn't pull beyond 7,000. This is a Spitfire 1296 small-journal motor with Kas' A-10-A cam in it, so I could use some revs beyond 7,000. The battery voltage was low all day - something in the neighborhood of 12 volts. Would voltage at that level cause a Pertronix not to work properly? Seems to me that should be enough volts to make it work fine. The alternator seemed to be putting out plenty of charge, but the battery didn't seem to improve through the day. That was the first race of the year, so I've pulled the battery and given it a full charge off the charger. Will see how well that works out, but may need a new battery, too. This one's 4 years old now. If that doesn't help, I'll have to send my distributor off for testing. Anyway, just wanting to make sure my sparks are in order before I go messing with the farging carburetors... Scott From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sat Jun 11 14:52:03 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:52:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Low voltage miss? In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D4F7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D4F7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <4DF3D573.2090202@comcast.net> Scott I've got the same engine/distributor setup. However, I'm running an A-8 cam, so my power peak is around 7000 where I shift. I can and have run the engine to 7500 on a really long straight and the chassis dyno with no misfire. I do not run an alternator. The battery voltage can run as low as 11.0 if I have not charged the battery for a couple of sessions - again, no miss. I do believe your alternator/voltage regulator may be faulty. Alternator output should be 13.8 to 14.2 volts from my experience. Not sure if this helps. Jim On 6/11/2011 12:31 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > I'm currently using a distributor with a Pertronix II Ignitor in it. A > couple of weekends ago at Blackhawk Farms, the engine developed a miss > at 7,000 revs - wouldn't pull beyond 7,000. This is a Spitfire 1296 > small-journal motor with Kas' A-10-A cam in it, so I could use some revs > beyond 7,000. > > > > The battery voltage was low all day - something in the neighborhood of > 12 volts. Would voltage at that level cause a Pertronix not to work > properly? Seems to me that should be enough volts to make it work fine. > > > > The alternator seemed to be putting out plenty of charge, but the > battery didn't seem to improve through the day. That was the first race > of the year, so I've pulled the battery and given it a full charge off > the charger. Will see how well that works out, but may need a new > battery, too. This one's 4 years old now. > > > > If that doesn't help, I'll have to send my distributor off for testing. > > > > Anyway, just wanting to make sure my sparks are in order before I go > messing with the farging carburetors... > > > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Jun 11 18:35:47 2011 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 00:35:47 GMT Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem Message-ID: <20110611.203547.18046.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> I have been using the Joe Gibbs XP1 oil in my TR3 for a few years with great results. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: SpiwakD at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Bearing problem Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 15:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Bearing clearances and oil weight are a couple you can check. Check the remaining main clearances. Some builders use .003 on the rods and mains. Greg Solow uses .0025 - .00275. Do you know what your clearances were ? And what weight oil were you running. I was reading up on different oils and went to the Joe Gibbs site and found some interesting bits. This is the first time I have seen different oil weights matched to bearing clearances. If interested here's the link and some text I cut & pasted from the site. http://www.joegibbsdriven.com/products/syntheticracingoil/xp2.html XP-1 Viscosity typical of SAE 5W-20. V8 engines with clearances under .0025 XP-2 Viscosity typical of SAE 0W-20. Restricted air intake engines and engines with clearances under .0020 XP-3 Viscosity typical of SAE 10W-30. Engines with clearances under .0027 XP-7 Viscosity typical of SAE 10W-40. Designed for clearances under .0030 Jim G ----- Original Message ----- From: SpiwakD at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2011 6:29:20 AM Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem I just had all new bearings installed in my B TR3 at the local shop. We misread the dipstick marks(new B dipstick) and it was low by 1 1/2 qts. I do have a Accusump. I ran two sessions B and then pressure dropped to 20 lbs. The rod bearings are dark-colored and spun. B The center main is spun also. We didn't remove the other caps yet. B The local shop is afraid to put in new bearings because they might have B missed something the last time. The crank had been ground and checked for B trueness. I hate to take it to an engine builder because I won't see it for B six months. I only got a half hour before bearing failure. B Does anyone have any thoughts as to what to look B for? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Jun 11 18:56:25 2011 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 00:56:25 GMT Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner Message-ID: <20110611.205625.18046.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Until last year I had been using Distilled water in my cooling system and the water was always rusty when I drained the system. Last year I used tap water (city water) and when I drained it in the fall the water was clear. I have seen discussions on other racer forums not to use distilled water. With all the different metals and corrosion cells the distilled water draws ions out (I forget the exact chemistry) and thus draws iron out. Using non-distilled water with various ions in it is not as chemically active and results in less corrosion. Joe(B ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 22:48:24 -0500 I have started the disassembly of the TR3 to determine what went wrong in May at ECR. Last night after removing the radiator, I flushed it with the garden hose and found enough rust particles to cover the bottom of a jam jar. I use an aluminum radiator so my thinking right now is that these particles must be from the liners. The radiator also has a coating of oily gunk presumable from one of my head gasket failures in past race weekends. So I have two questions for the group: 1) What is a good chemical treatment for flushing oily residue from the alum radiator? 2) Who are the current sources for good quality liners? I am sure I'll have more questions once I pull and disassemble the engine. Thanks, Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4df40f1e99b993e8cb3st06duc From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Jun 11 19:00:41 2011 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Low voltage miss? In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D4F7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D4F7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CDF6B3489EA6E1-172C-70B3C@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com> Scott, I would suspect the regulator in your alternator, should show 13 - 14 volts on the meter. At the end of last season I noticed my readings at 11 - 12 volts and finally had to jump start the car to get running. I also noticed I was breaking up at the upper end of my power range ( 6800 - 7000 rpms on fast street cam ). I had the alternator tested and found to be bad so I replaced the regulator and all seems to be running well Car has 1500 engine but not built to full race specs, its being use for autocrossing. Best of Luck, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: FOT Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2011 4:06 pm Subject: [Fot] Low voltage miss? I'm currently using a distributor with a Pertronix II Ignitor in it. A ouple of weekends ago at Blackhawk Farms, the engine developed a miss t 7,000 revs - wouldn't pull beyond 7,000. This is a Spitfire 1296 mall-journal motor with Kas' A-10-A cam in it, so I could use some revs eyond 7,000. The battery voltage was low all day - something in the neighborhood of 2 volts. Would voltage at that level cause a Pertronix not to work roperly? Seems to me that should be enough volts to make it work fine. The alternator seemed to be putting out plenty of charge, but the attery didn't seem to improve through the day. That was the first race f the year, so I've pulled the battery and given it a full charge off he charger. Will see how well that works out, but may need a new attery, too. This one's 4 years old now. If that doesn't help, I'll have to send my distributor off for testing. Anyway, just wanting to make sure my sparks are in order before I go essing with the farging carburetors... Scott ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jun 11 21:44:10 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:44:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Results sheet In-Reply-To: <1544503727-1307800727-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1555450099-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <1544503727-1307800727-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1555450099-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <20110611224410.7kj1kfq3ggg4gcwo@www.tonydrews.com> I'd love to have a way to see results from all 3 races on Wednesday, not just the cup race. Tony D. Quoting gasket.works at gte.net: > Hmsa will email the results to me. I will get them to Henry to put > on the fot site. M > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From gasket.works at gte.net Sat Jun 11 23:32:58 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 05:32:58 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Results sheet Message-ID: <832852463-1307856777-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-659621409-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> I'm told by cris that the results will be email to me Monday. ------Original Message------ From: tony at tonydrews.com To: Gasket works Cc: yellow04 at tr4racer.com Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Results sheet Sent: Jun 11, 2011 8:44 PM I'd love to have a way to see results from all 3 races on Wednesday, not just the cup race. Tony D. Quoting gasket.works at gte.net: > Hmsa will email the results to me. I will get them to Henry to put > on the fot site. M > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sun Jun 12 11:10:14 2011 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 13:10:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The 2012 Kastner Cup Message-ID: <424B1125BC7C422EB77CDBAEB865499C@TRIUMPH.local> Here's the official announcement, the 2012 Kastner Cup race will take place at Road Atlanta, on April 27 -29, 2012 at the Classic Motorsports Mitty. We will be celebrating the 60th anniversary of Triumph on the racetrack, and the 50th year of Spitfire and the 10th Annual Kastner Cup. It's only fitting that Kas Kastner has been tapped to be the event's Grand Marshal. We had one heck of a party in '92 and '02, so as we hit another decade anniversary, we are pulling out the stops. This will be our second opportunity to run a Kastner Cup race at the storied Road Atlanta, a track that should be on everybody's bucket list. Back in '05, Jeff Snook had a spectacular drive from the back of the pack to win his race, and be awarded Kastner Cup. Kas already raised the gauntlet, it's open season. But you can't win the Cup if you are not there! Our good friend and fellow FOT member Tim Suddard will be our host, and his magazine Classic Motorsports is sponsoring the event, so we can rest assured this will be a Triumph-centric event! Plans are forming to have the legions of Triumph enthusiasts in attendance. Mark your calendars now, and stay tuned for more information. Every event is only as good as the volunteers that help make it happen, email me off-list if interested in lending a hand. Henry F yellow04 at tr4racer.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sun Jun 12 11:41:58 2011 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 13:41:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup race results posted Message-ID: On the fot-racing.com website! I'll get to updating the site for the event when I get some decent pictures. Anybody who would like to email me a couple of your best shots from the event for the fot-racing.com website, feel free. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sun Jun 12 16:39:59 2011 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 15:39:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Event Message-ID: <538A408A7B814A1A8B646B09A1440D31@your89d26e0447> It was great putting faces to so many names as well as seeing some of you again. I was very disappointed to miss the Bar-B-Que on Tuesday night, but duty and a broken clutch disc called. Sorry we did not have more time to visit. Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jun 12 19:42:29 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 20:42:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Teri Ann In-Reply-To: <008e01cc27a9$0aa95e90$1ffc1bb0$@camoletti.ch> References: <008e01cc27a9$0aa95e90$1ffc1bb0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <20110613014229.B9895187646@autox.team.net> No, she didn't. Tony At 03:00 PM 6/10/2011, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: >Maybe I missed the mail telling the end of this episode but did Teri Ann >manage to Reach Laguna on time ? > >Cheers ! > >Alex > >Jan 59 3A From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Jun 12 20:31:48 2011 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 21:31:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] stock fuel pump repair Message-ID: <001801cc2972$0bcebb10$236c3130$@rr.com> Street car question for you guys. Has anyone used BPNW fuel pump rebuild kit for currently selling for $14.12? Any reason to go for TRF's kit that sells for $39.94 over the BPNW kit? Thanks, Greg From pettenat at pacbell.net Thu Jun 9 10:25:42 2011 From: pettenat at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 09:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: <8CDF46B6CD1B273-1EB8-412D@webmail-d011.sysops.aol.com> References: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net><4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com><8CDF40D6FB6B699-34C-160B6@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com><96BCF325-6B27-4497-A8D7-54E21C090C66@earthlink.net> <8CDF46B6CD1B273-1EB8-412D@webmail-d011.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <110293.66329.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> All, I was in the passenger seat of the pace car for one of the races, shooting pictures blindly over my shoulder out the back window. This wasn't exactly easy coming down out of the corkscrew! Hope you enjoy these photos. http://www.flickr.com/photos/14001317 at N02/sets/72157626922991656/ Cheers, Tim Pettenati From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Thu Jun 9 00:08:39 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 02:08:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kas Kup 2011 report Message-ID: Great write up. Wish I could have been there. Sam In a message dated 6/8/2011 11:40:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tony at tonydrews.com writes: Kas Kup 2011 report Drove from Illinois to Buttonwillow CA, made it ahead of time. Beautiful drive! Track was open Friday for test day so got set up in plenty of time. Had the privilege of attending the VARA rookie meeting (2 hours) and wearing rookie stripes on my car for that event. Much fun was had by all. In the Sunday race, all of the white Triumphs were parked by the side of the track. Jerry Barker killed a tranny, Paul Smock broke a (billet crower) crank, and John Frymark ran out of gas. John's was the preferable failure. I was the 2nd TR in the finishing order, I think. Ok track, but I wouldn't go a great distance to drive it again. Stayed overnight in Buttonwillow, drove up to Laguna Seca on Monday. Gorgeous drive. Got to Laguna Seca around 3 pm, and found Jerry changing trannys and they had just finished pulling Paul's engine - lashed to two boards with people lifting (!). I missed the pull by 3 minutes. Darn. :) We were let in and were given primo front row paddock positions. Paul's car was started with new motor with an hour to spare for the morning practice. THAT's not being beaten by equipment! Very impressive. Went out for practice Tuesday morning, and those couple of hundred laps of Laguna on the various game consoles paid off. I knew the layout, just needed to figure out the speeds. WHAT A TRACK!!!! Wow. Had a couple of races later Tuesday. I did pretty well, top 5ish. The 250K, Mordy's bionic TR-4, Greg Solow's bionic Morgan, Jerry Barker's bionic Herald and eventually Bill Hart and his very nice TR Devin were my main competition. All were very well driven. Greg broke a clutch and took the car home for repair. Jerry put in another tranny or two. Wednesday, the first race had me gridded 3rd, but numbers 1 and 2 were no-shows putting me on the pole. I had a great dice with Bill Hart, going side by side through turns 2 and 3 and pulled out a bit of a gap. After several laps, we got a full course caution with pace car due to a car stopped in an impact zone. Bill Hart and Greg Solow were the two cars behind me and I knew I was sunk. Thankfully, we ended under caution and I won. Yeah! The 2nd race was the Kastner Cup race and everyone was there in full force. I was gridded on the pole (!). John gave a nice writeup of the race. It was a great battle. I held off Bill Hart until nearly the end - missed a shift on the last run to the checkered flag. Only shift I missed all weekend. It let him by me by half a car length at the finish. It was a great drive by Bill. I think that put me in 6th. We had a fantastic time playing with each other all weekend. The 3rd race was the "trophy" race. Again, I started on the pole. I was passed by Greg Solow immediately, but he was having grip issues and I passed him back in turn 3. I pulled out a bit of a gap, but he eventually found grip in his tires and drove back by me. Bill Hart finally became one with the track and blew by me, and had a great dice with Greg. Eventually I saw a red car looming in my mirror and assumed it was Mordy. Upon further inspection it was Charlie Mitchell. I held him off for a while, but he eventually got by me. That's the way we finished: Greg, Bill, Charlie and me. The hospitality was great, I'm sore but happy (almost too much track time), and I need a new left rear tire, because I wore it out. The weather for both events was fantastic. The Triumph racers group is the best, I felt very welcome. John Nikas did a fantastic job pulling this together. We had very nice posters and shirts. Laguna Seca rocks. It is one of the top drivers tracks - right up there with Mosport and VIR. I still had things to learn about it, and look forward to trying to learn those another day. Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From wredinger at cox.net Sun Jun 12 10:30:08 2011 From: wredinger at cox.net (Anne & Bill) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:30:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT RACE RESULTS FOR KASTNER CUP & TROPHY RACE @ LAGUNA SECA Message-ID: Picked these up from timing and scoring after the race... Great racing. Great people. Good times. Bill Redinger [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of FOT KasCup & Trophy Race 6-8-11 HMSA Laguna Seca.pdf] From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 13 10:38:26 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:38:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LAGUNA SECA shirts and posters.....and Kas' new book. Message-ID: <8CDF7FF744FAC25-1B5C-8CEE@Webmail-d123.sysops.aol.com> READ CAREFULLY I am overwhelmed with orders and will need to spread sheet this PROJECT name address shirt size and style poster distribution will be given priority with shirt order. i need to develop packaging and shipping costs. order that includes Kas new book will be shipped free. time is limited for me. I will be leaving for Blackhawk shortly. I will also be at the PVGP.......and can bring them, saving time and money. It is not clear how I thought I had time for this, but I will try. Clearly the LEGUNA SECA name has a lot of magic for people. It was a great event. Regards, Joe Alexander From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 13 12:15:22 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:15:22 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa Summer Classic 2011 with CSCC In-Reply-To: <008e01cc27a9$0aa95e90$1ffc1bb0$@camoletti.ch> References: <008e01cc27a9$0aa95e90$1ffc1bb0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <002f01cc29f5$dd32ebd0$9798c370$@com> One hour video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CAdNqG6z-k Cheers Chris From jfrymark at aol.com Mon Jun 13 13:04:05 2011 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:04:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-car video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Still trying to find a site to host all the video taken at the Kastner Cup event. In the meantime, thought I'd get my in-car video posted at YouTube with a little editing. Parts 1 & 2. Good battle with with Charly Mitchel. Just couldn't out pull his 6 (P.I.?). Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zovynwkphc Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7gBVFzjJE0 If others post to YouTube, suggest you use "FoT 2011 Kastner Cup" in the title. Then we can find all videos together. Had a blast! John Frymark On Jun 10, 2011, at 8:47 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:52:01 -0400 > From: > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] (no subject) > Message-ID: <20110610185202.UWOAM.146901.root at cdptpa-web13-z02> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Thanks for finally getting me in the car,,, my camera was also not > working so the only video I have is of my fat face before the > race,,, I would have loved to show everyone the battle that was > going on with Charlie and John right in front of me... oh well, > next time,, Mac From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Jun 13 14:26:16 2011 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:26:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-car video References: Message-ID: <4AE2114ED03E4F00A1C7A9519C753772@TRIUMPH.local> I am actually considering setting up a FOT account, parking the videos there, and embedding them into the fot-racing website. Does this make sense? Is there any other video hosting site we should be considering? Wearing my fot-racing.com webmaster hat at the moment Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Frymark" To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:04 PM Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-car video > Still trying to find a site to host all the video taken at the Kastner > Cup event. In the meantime, thought I'd get my in-car video posted at > YouTube with a little editing. Parts 1 & 2. Good battle with with > Charly Mitchel. Just couldn't out pull his 6 (P.I.?). > > Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zovynwkphc > Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7gBVFzjJE0 > > If others post to YouTube, suggest you use "FoT 2011 Kastner Cup" in > the title. Then we can find all videos together. > > Had a blast! > > John Frymark > > On Jun 10, 2011, at 8:47 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:52:01 -0400 >> From: >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] (no subject) >> Message-ID: <20110610185202.UWOAM.146901.root at cdptpa-web13-z02> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Thanks for finally getting me in the car,,, my camera was also not >> working so the only video I have is of my fat face before the >> race,,, I would have loved to show everyone the battle that was >> going on with Charlie and John right in front of me... oh well, >> next time,, Mac > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com From billb at bnj.com Mon Jun 13 14:54:49 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:54:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-car video In-Reply-To: <4AE2114ED03E4F00A1C7A9519C753772@TRIUMPH.local> References: <4AE2114ED03E4F00A1C7A9519C753772@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1C1E19BE-C6C1-4298-A3DA-673AEA6DFA50@bnj.com> vimeo is generally better for longer videos On Jun 13, 2011, at 1:26 PM, wrote: > I am actually considering setting up a FOT account, parking the videos there, and embedding them into the fot-racing website. Does this make sense? Is there any other video hosting site we should be considering? > > Wearing my fot-racing.com webmaster hat at the moment > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Frymark" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:04 PM > Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-car video > > >> Still trying to find a site to host all the video taken at the Kastner >> Cup event. In the meantime, thought I'd get my in-car video posted at >> YouTube with a little editing. Parts 1 & 2. Good battle with with >> Charly Mitchel. Just couldn't out pull his 6 (P.I.?). >> >> Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zovynwkphc >> Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7gBVFzjJE0 >> >> If others post to YouTube, suggest you use "FoT 2011 Kastner Cup" in >> the title. Then we can find all videos together. >> >> Had a blast! >> >> John Frymark >> >> On Jun 10, 2011, at 8:47 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: >> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:52:01 -0400 >>> From: >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: [Fot] (no subject) >>> Message-ID: <20110610185202.UWOAM.146901.root at cdptpa-web13-z02> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> Thanks for finally getting me in the car,,, my camera was also not >>> working so the only video I have is of my fat face before the >>> race,,, I would have loved to show everyone the battle that was >>> going on with Charlie and John right in front of me... oh well, >>> next time,, Mac >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 skype: bill.babcockkenalu www.bnj.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 13 17:59:29 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:59:29 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-car video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001701cc2a25$f1baced0$d5306c70$@com> Seems that the video contains some music so youtube has blocked it for watching it in Germany. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von John Frymark Gesendet: Montag, 13. Juni 2011 21:04 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-car video Still trying to find a site to host all the video taken at the Kastner Cup event. In the meantime, thought I'd get my in-car video posted at YouTube with a little editing. Parts 1 & 2. Good battle with with Charly Mitchel. Just couldn't out pull his 6 (P.I.?). Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zovynwkphc Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7gBVFzjJE0 If others post to YouTube, suggest you use "FoT 2011 Kastner Cup" in the title. Then we can find all videos together. Had a blast! John Frymark On Jun 10, 2011, at 8:47 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:52:01 -0400 > From: > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] (no subject) > Message-ID: <20110610185202.UWOAM.146901.root at cdptpa-web13-z02> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Thanks for finally getting me in the car,,, my camera was also not > working so the only video I have is of my fat face before the > race,,, I would have loved to show everyone the battle that was > going on with Charlie and John right in front of me... oh well, > next time,, Mac _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jfrymark at aol.com Mon Jun 13 21:38:09 2011 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:38:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shade Tree Mechanics sans Shade Tree Message-ID: You may have heard that we changed Paul Smock's engine overnight prior to the first practice session at Laguna Seca. Step 1 was to pull the old lump out in the parking lot waiting to enter the track on Monday. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yagUZTZbvL8 When all was done, we must have had at least 10 different wrenchers working on the re-install and IT STARTED AND RAN GREAT for the next 2 days! Go figure! FOT in action! John Frymark From garygret at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 13 21:43:30 2011 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk farms fathers day In-Reply-To: <111016.22587.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <111016.22587.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <66435.40062.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> As long as Tom brought it up, here's a blatant plug for the VSCDA Blackhawk Classic this weekend: Midwestern Council is again staffing the weekend for VSCDA and any one who's willing to work corners, grid, T&S etc. gets free admission, lunch, track touring and dinner! We're up against the June Sprints this year so could really use the help. Gary Schneider Blackhawk Classic Chief Steward ________________________________ From: tom strange To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 12:17:37 PM Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk farms fathers day Does anyone have a crew pass available for the fathers day festivities at blackhawk farms??? Thanks, Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From jfrymark at aol.com Mon Jun 13 22:30:18 2011 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:30:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shade Tree Mechanics sans Shade Tree REDUX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14E7A82B-3465-4684-9D22-1BFB8A580B1E@aol.com> Try this Instead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ7-TCjakBc On Jun 13, 2011, at 8:38 PM, John Frymark wrote: > You may have heard that we changed Paul Smock's engine overnight > prior to the first practice session at Laguna Seca. Step 1 was to > pull the old lump out in the parking lot waiting to enter the track > on Monday. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yagUZTZbvL8 > > When all was done, we must have had at least 10 different wrenchers > working on the re-install and IT STARTED AND RAN GREAT for the next > 2 days! Go figure! > > FOT in action! > > John Frymark From rjohns at woh.rr.com Mon Jun 13 22:31:06 2011 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 00:31:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Event From Bob and Jean Johns Message-ID: Hi guys! What a great event! We enjoyed ourselves immensely. John Nikas, Paul Smock, & John Frymark threw a great party. Thank you everyone for such a great gathering. I very much enjoyed finally meeting Mordy. Ever since we found out that his father-in-law, Mike Rothschild, was my co-driver at Sebring, we have communicated on the connection and on the details. It was great getting to meet him, in person, and see what an awesome car he has built. Great show! It is hard for this old "war horse" to see all this hands-on work being done and not get down and get my hands dirty. I am very impressed at the guys doing just that. I loved the write-up of the event from Tony Drews. Spot on! I an enjoying the photos, so far, and looking forward to more. I have sent them on to the English Triumph Register contacts and they have commented that they are glad to see "our cars in action." It was great seeing Kas and Peg, again. Kas never ages! It must be the California air! R. Johns From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jun 13 23:56:18 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 00:56:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 78 Midget drivetrain for sale...cheap Message-ID: <20110614055613.63BF5187890@autox.team.net> From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jun 14 00:48:36 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:48:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 78 Midget drivetrain for sale cheap Message-ID: <20110614064831.88063187890@autox.team.net> Let's try this again without the apparent html content. A buddy of mine has purchased a 78 Midget with a 1500 cc engine but doesn't want the drivetrain (Engine / Trans / rear axle). It's got 57,000 miles and ran fine a month ago. Anyone interested? You can contact Jim directly at kaw1kat at mchsi.com . Thanks, Tony Drews From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jun 14 07:55:25 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:55:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Event From Bob and Jean Johns Message-ID: <37b66.5ecb640f.3b28c24d@aol.com> In a message dated 06/13/2011 11:50:38 PM Central Daylight Time, rjohns at woh.rr.com writes: > <--- It was great seeing Kas and Peg, again. Kas never ages! It must be > the California air! ---> > > Maybe...but I think it is chasing Peg that keeps him in shape. Bill (Damdinger) From triosan at gmail.com Tue Jun 14 08:24:13 2011 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:24:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shade Tree Mechanics sans Shade Tree REDUX In-Reply-To: <14E7A82B-3465-4684-9D22-1BFB8A580B1E@aol.com> References: <14E7A82B-3465-4684-9D22-1BFB8A580B1E@aol.com> Message-ID: Such K Cup heroics. It has not yet appeared in print I think, but Jeff Quick also lost an engine -- this one on Tuesday at LAguna. He and his team of at least 4 wrenches had the engine swapped and the car on the track in time to race for the Cup -- and it ran just fine the entire race. I am contemplating a tour next year [or year after depending on "things"] with my TR6. Now see it has to include spare axels, brakes, engine, head and tranny -- to say nothing of wheels. Hope someone always has an engine puller -- even it it is two timbers and four guys! Grat seeing all of you I know, and sorry I did not seek out Mark B and Greg Solow -- hopefully next year. Do we have a place/date for 2013? Chuck On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:30 PM, John Frymark wrote: > Try this Instead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ7-TCjakBc > > On Jun 13, 2011, at 8:38 PM, John Frymark wrote: > > You may have heard that we changed Paul Smock's engine overnight prior to >> the first practice session at Laguna Seca. Step 1 was to pull the old lump >> out in the parking lot waiting to enter the track on Monday. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yagUZTZbvL8 >> >> When all was done, we must have had at least 10 different wrenchers >> working on the re-install and IT STARTED AND RAN GREAT for the next 2 days! >> Go figure! >> >> FOT in action! >> >> John Frymark >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jun 14 08:34:42 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:34:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Time to order FLAGS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDF8B75587C730-15D8-B619@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> thanks CHRIS, put me down for THREE. they will look good flying at the 10TH RUNNING OF THE KASTNERS CUP. very timely -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: FoTTriumph Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 3:07 pm Subject: [Fot] Time to order FLAGS Amici, Time to start ordering. Details 2x3foot size Logo is about 16 inches high 2 grommets Indoor outdoor use Material is great quality I have a proof picture if your interested in seeing it. I made the decision to go single sided. This means the words will be reversed on the back. Price is $15 each. Shipping is included. Deadline to order is august 8, 2011. I will place the order then and they should be sent out to you by mid September. Payments to paypal (SeaCubeCo at aol.com) or check to Chris Bock 3630 Italia Ave Vineland, NJ 08361 Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Jun 14 09:00:08 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:00:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shade Tree Mechanics sans Shade Tree REDUX In-Reply-To: References: <14E7A82B-3465-4684-9D22-1BFB8A580B1E@aol.com> Message-ID: <566F5C19-4F1B-40C0-AFAC-6F16BF891244@bnj.com> It was fun seeing that. When I built Nero I made the top of the rear door into a track and built a roller bogie that can be assembled onto it with a gate pulley. You run the winch cable over the gate pulley and to a block that gives 2-1 mechanical advantage. Pull the car up the ramp, hook on a engine tilting thingy and presto, electric engine crane. Worked great at VIR when I had to replace the clutch. Actually easier than the engine crane in my shop. I suspect most trailers could be so equipped if the door frame is strong enough. I built Nero's frame out of welded aluminum plate, and was a little nervous but it didn't shift a millimeter. On Jun 14, 2011, at 7:24 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > Such K Cup heroics. It has not yet appeared in print I think, but Jeff > Quick also lost an engine -- this one on Tuesday at LAguna. He and his team > of at least 4 wrenches had the engine swapped and the car on the track in > time to race for the Cup -- and it ran just fine the entire race. I am > contemplating a tour next year [or year after depending on "things"] with my > TR6. Now see it has to include spare axels, brakes, engine, head and tranny > -- to say nothing of wheels. Hope someone always has an engine puller -- > even it it is two timbers and four guys! > > Grat seeing all of you I know, and sorry I did not seek out Mark B and Greg > Solow -- hopefully next year. > > Do we have a place/date for 2013? > > Chuck From billb at bnj.com Tue Jun 14 09:01:47 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:01:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Time to order FLAGS In-Reply-To: <8CDF8B75587C730-15D8-B619@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDF8B75587C730-15D8-B619@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <12E5FF4F-415F-40CD-A6CC-8A292F0DA4D3@bnj.com> I'll take two, will send payment via Paypal. I'll do my best to be at the next Kastner Kup. From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jun 14 11:27:19 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:27:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca results Message-ID: <20110614172715.1C191187669@autox.team.net> Does anyone have a copy of the results from the first race on Wednesday (11:10 am) at Laguna Seca? The other two races are posted to the FOT site, but not the one I won... :) Thanks, Tony Drews From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Jun 14 14:53:09 2011 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Laguna Kastner Cup thanks In-Reply-To: <409173186.1575928.1308084702381.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <911171550.1576041.1308084789521.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT, Before it gets too far away from me, I'd like to thank everyone involved in another fantastic Kastner Cup event and acknowledge the importance of having "our" Triumph Champions and heros in the paddock. Sharing photo opportunities, experiences and autographs with Kas, Hardy Prentice (with his Championship TR3), Sam Halkias, Bob Johns, Jerry Barker and others adds much significance to these events. This was great for the Triumph Traveler Sports Car Club as well. It was nice to have the enthusiastic support of our streetcar brethren. Their smiles were ear-to-ear, both in the paddock and during the Corkscrew experience for the ultimate photo opportunities. Also, I'd like to thank those who stepped up to the plate to organize this event, from Mordy's amazing energy, generosity, and tasty eats to the co-hosts of Tuesday evening's bar-b-que, John and Tammy Frymark, as well as John Nikas, Steve Belfer and others. Thanks to the drivers who made the tow and put on a great show. And, of course, most certainly thanks to Joe Alexander for originally bringing the FoT together and defining our purpose. What a great group of people! Thanks to all for another glorious Kastner Cup event! I had a really great time and hopefully, next year I will be joining you all on the track, Dave Hogye From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jun 14 15:44:12 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:44:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Kastner Cup thanks References: <911171550.1576041.1308084789521.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <80B56938E6584B3FB3B202E467B8CA7C@Bud> Good to see you Dave..and your 'trademark' Stingray.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "davehogye" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:53 PM Subject: [Fot] Laguna Kastner Cup thanks > FoT, > Before it gets too far away from me, I'd like to thank everyone involved > in another fantastic Kastner Cup event and acknowledge the importance of > having "our" Triumph Champions and heros in the paddock. Sharing photo > opportunities, experiences and autographs with Kas, Hardy Prentice (with > his Championship TR3), Sam Halkias, Bob Johns, Jerry Barker and others > adds much significance to these events. This was great for the Triumph > Traveler Sports Car Club as well. It was nice to have the enthusiastic > support of our streetcar brethren. Their smiles were ear-to-ear, both in > the paddock and during the Corkscrew experience for the ultimate photo > opportunities. > > > Also, I'd like to thank those who stepped up to the plate to organize this > event, from Mordy's amazing energy, generosity, and tasty eats to the > co-hosts of Tuesday evening's bar-b-que, John and Tammy Frymark, as well > as John Nikas, Steve Belfer and others. Thanks to the drivers who made the > tow and put on a great show. > > > And, of course, most certainly thanks to Joe Alexander for originally > bringing the FoT together and defining our purpose. What a great group of > people! > Thanks to all for another glorious Kastner Cup event! I had a really great > time and hopefully, next year I will be joining you all on the track, > Dave Hogye > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From SpiwakD at aol.com Tue Jun 14 18:41:40 2011 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:41:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Head Wanted Message-ID: I'm looking for a used ported TR3/TR4 head for my spare engine. Call Dave at 570-441-5646 or email. From tjwakeman at gmail.com Tue Jun 14 20:18:18 2011 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:18:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TRAN-X LIMITED SLIP QUESTION Message-ID: <4DF8166A.2060308@gmail.com> Hey guys I got a couple quick questions about a Tran-X limited slip (similar to Salisbury). 1. Does it take a special oil? If yes what. 2. What is the bolt torque setting for the bolts holding the ring gear on? I got a Tran-X without any instructions in the box, so any help would be great. Thanks Teriann From billb at bnj.com Tue Jun 14 21:36:27 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:36:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TRAN-X LIMITED SLIP QUESTION In-Reply-To: <4DF8166A.2060308@gmail.com> References: <4DF8166A.2060308@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, you need to use gear oil designed for limited slip. Easy to find at any auto parts store or get the Redline stuff. I don't remember which variety it is but the redline site will tell you. Don't recall the torque. On Jun 14, 2011, at 7:18 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > Hey guys I got a couple quick questions about a Tran-X limited slip > (similar to Salisbury). > > 1. Does it take a special oil? If yes what. > > 2. What is the bolt torque setting for the bolts holding the ring gear on? > > I got a Tran-X without any instructions in the box, so any help would be > great. > > Thanks > > Teriann > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 skype: bill.babcockkenalu www.bnj.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 07:01:29 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:01:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRAN-X LIMITED SLIP QUESTION In-Reply-To: <4990AFA8-8D09-488A-9263-0906A34439F9@gmail.com> References: <4DF8166A.2060308@gmail.com> <4990AFA8-8D09-488A-9263-0906A34439F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <955B7D6E-4ED8-4144-8CA1-BAEB222D7F56@gmail.com> f On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote: > Teriann, > If nobody has the factory specs, this ought to get you close: > > http://www.engineersedge.com/torque_table_sae_ftlbs.htm > > The critical thing will be whether you can tell what the bolt grade is. Markings explained here: > > http://www.boltdepot.com/fastener-information/Materials-and-Grades/Bolt-Grade -Chart.aspx > > Duncan > > On Jun 14, 2011, at 10:36 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > >> Yes, you need to use gear oil designed for limited slip. Easy to find at any >> auto parts store or get the Redline stuff. I don't remember which variety it >> is but the redline site will tell you. Don't recall the torque. >> On Jun 14, 2011, at 7:18 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >> >>> Hey guys I got a couple quick questions about a Tran-X limited slip >>> (similar to Salisbury). >>> >>> 1. Does it take a special oil? If yes what. >>> >>> 2. What is the bolt torque setting for the bolts holding the ring gear on? >>> >>> I got a Tran-X without any instructions in the box, so any help would be >>> great. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Teriann >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >>> >>> >> >> Bill Babcock >> billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> skype: bill.babcockkenalu >> www.bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jun 15 09:07:26 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:07:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Teaser video from Laguna Seca 2011 Kastner Cup Message-ID: <20110615150724.AA527187872@autox.team.net> I took some video (at a friend's request) of us waiting to enter the track and of the drive into the track. I'm still working on the in-car video, but it came out nicely - that will go up later this week or this coming weekend. Anyway, 3 to 4 minutes of track entry stuff is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHTdu-zFMUs Cheers, Tony Drews From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 11:55:28 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:55:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRAN-X LIMITED SLIP QUESTION In-Reply-To: <002a01cc2b67$3a167d40$ae4377c0$@camoletti.ch> References: <4DF8166A.2060308@gmail.com> <4990AFA8-8D09-488A-9263-0906A34439F9@gmail.com> <955B7D6E-4ED8-4144-8CA1-BAEB222D7F56@gmail.com> <002a01cc2b67$3a167d40$ae4377c0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: I should have used my own advice and used Tinyurl.com to shorten the URLs and keep them from being cut when the email program produces narrow columns of text. Torque table: http://tinyurl.com/dhcrc Bolt markings: http://tinyurl.com/yplwq8 Duncan > On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote: > >> Teriann, >> If nobody has the factory specs, this ought to get you close: >> >> http://www.engineersedge.com/torque_table_sae_ftlbs.htm >> >> The critical thing will be whether you can tell what the bolt grade is. > Markings explained here: >> >> > http://www.boltdepot.com/fastener-information/Materials-and-Grades/Bolt-Grad > e > -Chart.aspx >> >> Duncan >> >> On Jun 14, 2011, at 10:36 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: >> >>> Yes, you need to use gear oil designed for limited slip. Easy to find >>> at > any >>> auto parts store or get the Redline stuff. I don't remember which >>> variety > it >>> is but the redline site will tell you. Don't recall the torque. >>> On Jun 14, 2011, at 7:18 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >>> >>>> Hey guys I got a couple quick questions about a Tran-X limited slip >>>> (similar to Salisbury). >>>> >>>> 1. Does it take a special oil? If yes what. >>>> >>>> 2. What is the bolt torque setting for the bolts holding the ring >>>> gear > on? >>>> >>>> I got a Tran-X without any instructions in the box, so any help >>>> would be great. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Teriann >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Bill Babcock >>> billb at bnj.com >>> 503.936.7660 >>> skype: bill.babcockkenalu >>> www.bnj.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jun 15 13:16:44 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:16:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TRAN-X LIMITED SLIP QUESTION In-Reply-To: <955B7D6E-4ED8-4144-8CA1-BAEB222D7F56@gmail.com> References: <4DF8166A.2060308@gmail.com> <4990AFA8-8D09-488A-9263-0906A34439F9@gmail.com> <955B7D6E-4ED8-4144-8CA1-BAEB222D7F56@gmail.com> Message-ID: <024e01cc2b90$c49229a0$4db67ce0$@rr.com> > > The critical thing will be whether you can tell what the bolt grade > is. > Markings explained here: Unfortunately that is an explanation of SAE markings, and the original bolts were not SAE spec. FWIW, I just got an email from Dan Jones at Tran-X, saying to use the factory torque for the ring gear bolts. According to the TR2/3 workshop manual, that was 35-40 ft-lb (for the later gears with the 3/8" bolts). He also included a drawing that says to use Loctite and torque the "test bolts" (which I assume are the ones holding the carrier together) to 30-35 ft-lb. Curiously enough, the only difference between the "light weight" and "fully interlevered" settings appears to be the order of assembly of the clutch plates. I thought it was a component change. -- Randall From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 14:52:21 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:52:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Message-ID: With the help of several people, I've got this licked. Fuel pressure was set too high (4 psi) for the H6 SUs. I adjusted that to 2.7 psi, installed leaner needles and cranked the jets up to 8 flats from where they'd been found at 19 flats. Very good plug color now, no flat spots, and NO sputtering after letting off the throttle and getting back on it again. Seat of the pants suggests there has been a power gain in the midrange. Soft-mounting the carbs does not appear to be necessary. Now to do some acceleration runs to optimize ignition timing. Thanks to all who contributed -- Michael P, Bob K, Tim M, Jim G, Jim E, Bill B, Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, Tony, Kas, and especially Greg Solow, who walked me through this off-group. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Jun 15 15:27:21 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:27:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D5A2@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << I've got this licked. >> Oh, god. NOW you've done it. The very definition of hubris. Expect something mysterious to go wrong in some other part of the car. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:52 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question With the help of several people, I've got this licked. Fuel pressure was set too high (4 psi) for the H6 SUs. I adjusted that to 2.7 psi, installed leaner needles and cranked the jets up to 8 flats from where they'd been found at 19 flats. Very good plug color now, no flat spots, and NO sputtering after letting off the throttle and getting back on it again. Seat of the pants suggests there has been a power gain in the midrange. Soft-mounting the carbs does not appear to be necessary. Now to do some acceleration runs to optimize ignition timing. Thanks to all who contributed -- Michael P, Bob K, Tim M, Jim G, Jim E, Bill B, Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, Tony, Kas, and especially Greg Solow, who walked me through this off-group. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Jun 15 15:59:02 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:59:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000b01cc2ba7$70adc170$52094450$@com> Just curious, what needles did you settle on? We have H6's on the race car and went from SM needles to RB needles with the Kastner cam and about 11:1 or a little better compression ratio. We're about 10 flats down and about 2.9 to 3.0 PSI fuel pressure at present, if I remember correctly. Always nice to know what the "base line" is for a street car. Thanks, Tim Murphy -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:52 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question With the help of several people, I've got this licked. Fuel pressure was set too high (4 psi) for the H6 SUs. I adjusted that to 2.7 psi, installed leaner needles and cranked the jets up to 8 flats from where they'd been found at 19 flats. Very good plug color now, no flat spots, and NO sputtering after letting off the throttle and getting back on it again. Seat of the pants suggests there has been a power gain in the midrange. Soft-mounting the carbs does not appear to be necessary. Now to do some acceleration runs to optimize ignition timing. Thanks to all who contributed -- Michael P, Bob K, Tim M, Jim G, Jim E, Bill B, Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, Tony, Kas, and especially Greg Solow, who walked me through this off-group. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Jun 15 16:06:11 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:06:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01cc2ba8$707297c0$5157c740$@com> Update, just checked my notes and we are now at 11 flats down on both carbs. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:52 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question With the help of several people, I've got this licked. Fuel pressure was set too high (4 psi) for the H6 SUs. I adjusted that to 2.7 psi, installed leaner needles and cranked the jets up to 8 flats from where they'd been found at 19 flats. Very good plug color now, no flat spots, and NO sputtering after letting off the throttle and getting back on it again. Seat of the pants suggests there has been a power gain in the midrange. Soft-mounting the carbs does not appear to be necessary. Now to do some acceleration runs to optimize ignition timing. Thanks to all who contributed -- Michael P, Bob K, Tim M, Jim G, Jim E, Bill B, Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, Tony, Kas, and especially Greg Solow, who walked me through this off-group. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 15 17:21:37 2011 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk farms fathers day parts delivery Message-ID: <563248.44947.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Short notice, I know, but .... I will be at Blackhawk Farms fairly early Fri morning .... I will be at Pegasus mid morning on thursday, and at berget tire early thursday afternoon ... If there is anything anyone needs transported to the track, call your orders in & I'll bring it along ... let them know to give it to me though so it doesnt get missed ... See you all this weekend. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jun 16 00:26:08 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 01:26:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca, In car video, 11:10 am race, 6/8/2011 Message-ID: <20110616062600.5083D187657@autox.team.net> Here's a narrated version of the morning race at Laguna Seca. Since I started on the pole and won the (shortened) race there's not a ton of action in the front facing camera, but still not bad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S102OQKw5V8 Tony From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 16 01:39:35 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 01:39:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca, In car video, 11:10 am race, 6/8/2011 In-Reply-To: <20110616062600.5083D187657@autox.team.net> References: <20110616062600.5083D187657@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4DF9B337.9010402@bradakis.com> I have *got* to get a car back together and get out on track. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jun 16 01:55:57 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:55:57 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca, In car video, 11:10 am race, 6/8/2011 In-Reply-To: <20110616062600.5083D187657@autox.team.net> References: <20110616062600.5083D187657@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000301cc2bfa$d5a6ab70$80f40250$@com> Contraire corners: Cork screw down hill Eau rouge up hill Well done Tony. The narration is very interesting as I got a clue why this or that happened and your feel about it. Thanks! Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2011 08:26 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Laguna Seca, In car video, 11:10 am race, 6/8/2011 Here's a narrated version of the morning race at Laguna Seca. Since I started on the pole and won the (shortened) race there's not a ton of action in the front facing camera, but still not bad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S102OQKw5V8 Tony _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From triumphs at consolidated.net Thu Jun 16 06:21:30 2011 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home PC) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:21:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca, In car video, 11:10 am race, 6/8/2011 References: <20110616062600.5083D187657@autox.team.net> Message-ID: very nice video. Thanks Tony kg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 1:26 AM Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca, In car video, 11:10 am race, 6/8/2011 > Here's a narrated version of the morning race at Laguna Seca. Since I > started on the pole and won the (shortened) race there's not a ton of > action in the front facing camera, but still not bad. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S102OQKw5V8 > > Tony > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3706 - Release Date: 06/15/11 From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Jun 16 07:29:04 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:29:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Twin Cities to Blackhawk Farms? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D5B9@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> (The following is from Ernie Hussman whose FOT mailings are still in the manual mode following his account being hacked) Is there anyone from the Minneapolis, MN area that will be going to the Blackhawk Classic this weekend who might be able to pick up and transport a recumbent bike for me? B Please contact me off the list. B Thanks, B Ernie From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Jun 16 08:53:22 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:53:22 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: cork screw Message-ID: <1897200361-1308236003-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1727256230-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> I took this short clip on my cell phone... Just a few of the cars @ last weeks KCup. See the link... 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Please give us a report back. I'm slightly leary, while trying not to be too critical, but, they don't know what they have. They label their TRI-TR6 rods as being for Spit 1500, Late Spit 1300, GT6, and TR6. I do believe the rods for each of these engines is a different length. A 1500 may fit a TR6, but a GT6 is different as is the 1300. Of course, until we all started buying Pauter rods they were an unknown too! Let us know. -Ed- --- On Thu, 6/16/11, Duncan Charlton wrote: From: Duncan Charlton Subject: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods To: "fot" Date: Thursday, June 16, 2011, 8:02 PM Has anybody had experience with connecting rods from maxspeedingrods? http://tinyurl.com/3wmuk6d $520.16 a set (with ARP bolts) for a TR motor on their ebay page here: http://tinyurl.com/3cu5r89 Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From herald948 at aol.com Thu Jun 16 21:20:59 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods In-Reply-To: <31532.13280.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <31532.13280.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: EDWARD BARNARD Well Duncan, we'll know all about them once you buy a set and try them. Please give us a report back. I'm slightly leary, while trying not to be too critical, but, they don't know what they have. They label their TRI-TR6 rods as being for Spit 1500, Late Spit 1300, GT6, and TR6. I do believe the rods for each of these engines is a different length. A 1500 may fit a TR6, but a GT6 is different as is the 1300. ==AM== I think they might be right. P/N146454 seems to show up at TRF, Moss Europe and other online catalogue sites as a connecting rod for all those cars. (Well, all but the very earliest GT6 engines.) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 16 21:59:13 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:59:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods In-Reply-To: <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> References: <31532.13280.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DFAD111.6050605@bradakis.com> The TR6, GT6 Mark 2 & 3, Spitfire 1500 and large journal 1300 do all share the same rods, as I recall. The GT6 has different piston crown heights , but I seem to recall something like a standard TR6 piston is the same as a 40 over Spit 1500. I'm probably getting into pure speculation here, fueled by a murky memory. Also the rocker arms are the same, but I could be wrong on that one. So 2 sets of TR6 roller rockers would give you 3 sets of Spit 1500 ones! The early GT6 and Vitesse 1600 motors, 1147 and early 1296 Spit motors do not share components with the TR6 or Spit 1500. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 16 22:07:19 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:07:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods In-Reply-To: <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> References: <31532.13280.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DFAD2F7.7040008@bradakis.com> One minor note on the rods. I think that the early TR250/6 and Spit 1300 rods were a different casting than the later ones which had the same basic dimensions but different amounts of metal in various places and slightly different oil passages. Again, murky memory. Maybe I should go out to the garage, grab my calipers and rummage around. mjb. From Catpusher at aol.com Thu Jun 16 22:14:30 2011 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Laguna and the Kastner Cup Message-ID: <3f48d.21f8413a.3b2c2ea6@aol.com> FOT, A fine mix of history, friendships, and competition! Our only frustration was that we could not attend the FOT BBQ; we did appreciate the invitations. Our TR3 returned from Monterey today and is safety back in the basement. Hardy & Ellie From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu Jun 16 22:14:32 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:14:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods In-Reply-To: <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> References: <31532.13280.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2E0D4E72-7368-4830-8F4F-0991F41AC951@gmail.com> Andrew (or is it Ed? -- hard to tell...), Thanks for letting me go first. :-) My interest in them is for a potential future engine build. My current engine has Carrillos, thanks to the previous owner. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 16, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Andrew Mace wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: EDWARD BARNARD > Well Duncan, we'll know all about them once you buy a set and try them. Please > give us a report back. I'm slightly leary, while trying not to be too critical, > but, they don't know what they have. They label their TRI-TR6 rods as being for > Spit 1500, Late Spit 1300, GT6, and TR6. I do believe the rods for each of these > engines is a different length. A 1500 may fit a TR6, but a GT6 is different as > is the 1300. > > > ==AM== > > > > > I think they might be right. P/N146454 seems to show up at TRF, Moss Europe and other online > > catalogue sites as a connecting rod for all those cars. (Well, all but the very earliest GT6 engines.) > > > > --Andy Mace > > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. > > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org > > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jun 17 01:16:52 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:16:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods In-Reply-To: <2E0D4E72-7368-4830-8F4F-0991F41AC951@gmail.com> References: <31532.13280.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> <2E0D4E72-7368-4830-8F4F-0991F41AC951@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601cc2cbe$891a43b0$9b4ecb10$@com> I heard nothing bad about them. A few people do use them and no failure 'till today. In a TR6 they took 8200rpm and do still last. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Duncan Charlton Gesendet: Freitag, 17. Juni 2011 06:15 An: Andrew Mace Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods Andrew (or is it Ed? -- hard to tell...), Thanks for letting me go first. :-) My interest in them is for a potential future engine build. My current engine has Carrillos, thanks to the previous owner. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 16, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Andrew Mace wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: EDWARD BARNARD > Well Duncan, we'll know all about them once you buy a set and try them. Please > give us a report back. I'm slightly leary, while trying not to be too critical, > but, they don't know what they have. They label their TRI-TR6 rods as being for > Spit 1500, Late Spit 1300, GT6, and TR6. I do believe the rods for each of these > engines is a different length. A 1500 may fit a TR6, but a GT6 is different as > is the 1300. > > > ==AM== > > > > > I think they might be right. P/N146454 seems to show up at TRF, Moss Europe and other online > > catalogue sites as a connecting rod for all those cars. (Well, all but the very earliest GT6 engines.) > > > > --Andy Mace > > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. > > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org > > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Fri Jun 17 03:21:04 2011 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:21:04 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Gearbox Extension Housing Identification Message-ID: Dear Listers, I am currently rebuilding a TR6 Close Ratio Gearbox for a friend of mine, with the QUAIFE gear set. I need some help in identifying the rear extension housing that he had shipped with the box. It was supposed to be a TR6 extension housing. BUT, the extension housing face that mates to the back of the gear case, does NOT have the cast 'slot' that allows the ext. housing to clear the reverse gear shaft/countershaft/locking tab. Anyone know what model of Triumph this extension housing is from? Not that it solves my problem of not having a housing! I am just curious as to what it is from? Hoping the combined wisdom of the list will let me get some sleep by coming up with the solution! Many thanks in advance! Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From SpiwakD at aol.com Fri Jun 17 06:08:23 2011 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 08:08:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] Chinese rods Message-ID: <3ba7.4d4980eb.3b2c9db7@aol.com> Who wants to take a chance with the usually inferior Chinese steel? I use Pauter rods which work as well as Carillo for me at 2/3 the price. From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jun 17 06:57:04 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 08:57:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] BLACKHAWK FARMS FATHERS DAY W'END Message-ID: <8CDFB0530D1612F-1B34-26CA6@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> TR4 #197 loaded and waiting for five grandchildren and two sons. Laguna would have been very special but this is long time tradition. Have Laguna shirts for those who want them.....get them early. Choices are limited. Posters are in short supply, too...good thing we got 200 of them instead of just 100. Steve Belfer....how many do you have on hand? (Next year's poster is already in the works for the 10th running of the KASTNER CUP.) See you at Blackhawk. Joe Alexander From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jun 17 08:52:59 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:52:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup race, In-Car video Message-ID: <20110617145250.D858218787D@autox.team.net> I just edited and posted Kastner Cup race, Laguna Seca, In-Car video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epKxXhYycWU Tony Drews From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Jun 17 13:23:41 2011 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:23:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] More vids from Laguna Seca Message-ID: <3B83B09E-E86B-40A1-9D9A-D569261BDC9B@earthlink.net> As seen from my TR3 Http://vimeo.com/25219748 Steve From igofaster at att.net Fri Jun 17 15:36:20 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 pistons... Message-ID: <977792.16153.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> so... I am starting on a NEW short block for my GT6 MKII... any line on some nice 0.20 Pistons? 0.10 rod and main bearings... are the tri-metals still out there? I need Spitfire cam bearings too... Bobby Whitehead From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Fri Jun 17 16:27:30 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 08:27:30 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods Message-ID: The '68 onwards GT6 and pre '73 TR6 rods are the same. The very early GT6 had a wider big-end, shared with Vanguard 6. The beam of the rod is very thin, like a Spitty rod. I doubt anyone would be copying these GT6 rods, as the bearings are getting very hard to find The post '73 6 cyl rods had a hole drilled thru the big-end to allow 1 rod bolt hole to be tapped easier. The Spit 1500 used these rods Whilst these later rods looked "weak", i have never seen one fail in a stock engine. Even on race engines, they dont seem to fail thru the hole, but rather by bolt breakage and/or cap fretting All the above rods are exactly the same length. The weights however vary considerably. This is not a bother if you are building a balanced engine, but is an issue if you are swapping stuff around. I build a lot of modern turbo race and stock engines. conrods are rarely an issue, but i have used quite a few "chinese" sets at circa $500 set because that is less cost to the customer than stuffing around trying to fix/grind/balance/shot-peen 4 old rods. never had a problem provided they came with genuine ARP bolts. Terry From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri Jun 17 16:32:55 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:32:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 pistons... References: <977792.16153.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <62048149C1754ADC8FFB39CAABF32AA7@Charly> Check British Parts NW. http://www.bpnorthwest.com/ Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 2:36 PM Subject: [Fot] GT6 pistons... > so... I am starting on a NEW short block for my GT6 MKII... any line on > some > nice 0.20 Pistons? 0.10 rod and main bearings... are the tri-metals > still > out > there? > > I need Spitfire cam bearings too... > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From walt at hot-tr6.com Fri Jun 17 20:12:09 2011 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 20:12:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New Product Message-ID: <001f01cc2d5d$219e1b40$64da51c0$@hot-tr6.com> With reference to what used to be the "winter blend" of ethanol in our pump gas there is a new additive out I wish to share with FOT members. Now ethanol is a year-long deal and even though the stock Triumph engines are a relatively low compression design and can usually will Tolerate this blend once you start decking the block and start cutting the head to get the compression up you must deal with vapor-lock and other Problems with ethanol In our pump gas. Well- STA-Bil has a new product out called "Ethanol Treatment". I heard about this product and went to NAPA and at first was told there was no such item then got a call back that they did have it at one of their stores . I picked up a couple of bottles And will give it a try in my daily driver kit Cobra which has a 347ci stroker engine in it at 11:1 compression with a 700 Holley double pumper carb on it. The last Few hot days my replica-Cobra has struggled with our ethanol blended 91 pump octane gas. My 1970 TR6 vintage is at 13:1 compression so I have to use 110 octane racing fuel in it so ethanol is not an issue. FYI Walt Hollowell ABQ, NM From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jun 17 21:00:07 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 20:00:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New Product References: <001f01cc2d5d$219e1b40$64da51c0$@hot-tr6.com> Message-ID: <2060F160272442758BAA82A50D87F19A@Bud> Hi Walt...is this taking place in all states? RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Hollowell" To: Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 7:12 PM Subject: [Fot] New Product > With reference to what used to be the "winter blend" of ethanol in our > pump > gas there is a new additive out I wish to share with FOT members. > > Now ethanol is a year-long deal and even though the stock Triumph engines > are a relatively low compression design and can usually will > > Tolerate this blend once you start decking the block and start cutting the > head to get the compression up you must deal with vapor-lock and other > > Problems with ethanol In our pump gas. Well- STA-Bil has a new product out > called "Ethanol Treatment". I heard about this product and went to > > NAPA and at first was told there was no such item then got a call back > that > they did have it at one of their stores . I picked up a couple of bottles > > And will give it a try in my daily driver kit Cobra which has a 347ci > stroker engine in it at 11:1 compression with a 700 Holley double pumper > carb on it. The last > > Few hot days my replica-Cobra has struggled with our ethanol blended 91 > pump > octane gas. My 1970 > TR6 vintage is at 13:1 compression so I have to use 110 octane racing fuel > in it so ethanol is not an issue. > > FYI > > Walt Hollowell > > ABQ, NM > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From oldspeed72 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 18 07:15:04 2011 From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com (Mark Vanlake) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Listed on E-Bay Message-ID: <488325.81705.qm@web111013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Greetings fellow FOT members. Listed my Freshly restored TR-6 racer on E-Bay. Note the FOT stickers on the car. If you know anyone interested, please pass the link on. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180683171109&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jun 18 11:42:36 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:42:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] One more in-car video Message-ID: <20110618174230.1515B187646@autox.team.net> Last video - race 3, the "Trophy" race at Laguna Seca - start on pole, finish 4th: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaUQ_EXkXyo Tony From gaf3 at charter.net Sat Jun 18 16:15:37 2011 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:15:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hot Running 6 Message-ID: <4DFD2389.5030304@charter.net> Hi I just finished rebuilding a club members 74 TR6 that I had bored .060" over due to cylinder wall damage. The owner had the radiator cleaned out, provided a new water pump, thermostat, temp sending unit and so on. The car has a set of DGV Webers (downdraft) on it. There are a couple of issues now with the engine I'm trying to sort out. Engine runs on the warm side with the gauge between 1/2 and 3/4 some excursions to 3/4 when left idling for a _long_ time. When the engine is revved to 1,500-2,000 rpm it settles back down to 5/8ths on the gauge. * I suspected a faulty replacement temp sending unit and replaced it with one from my car and it brought the temp down slightly. * I also tried to burp the system by bleeding the air out at the sending unit but I can't seem to get it out. When I remove the sending unit there's just air. * Any better methods of getting air out of the head?? Doesn't seem to purge after thermal cycling the engine. New cap as well. * The replacement thermostat was a 165 deg. I suspect that it's higher than that. Can't measure actual coolant temp since I broke my Temp Tester. * My next step is to remove the thermostat. Engine backfires through the carbs cold when when snapping the throttle when the chokes are off and not quite warmed up. Not a problem at operating temp/No backfires. * Distributor is the vacuum retard type and the vacuum line is disconnected. * Base timing set at ~1deg BTDC Any Ideas? Thanks in Advance Glenn Franco Too Many TR's they keep multiplying From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat Jun 18 18:24:42 2011 From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:24:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hot Running 6 References: <4DFD2389.5030304@charter.net> Message-ID: <8A0A45E93A6D4DCDA03FF7251085E823@TER2> Siince the distributor is a vacuum retard type. The vacuum normally retards the timeing from about 12 degrees before tdc to 4degrees atdc. Without the retard connected the timing should be about 12 degrees btdc at idle speed. when you rev the engine up, with all vacuum lines to the distributor disconnected, you should get about 36 degrees total maximum mechanical advance. You may be able to get away with up to 38 or 40 degrees, dependiing on the compression ratio of the engine. You will have to slow down the idle considerably when you advance the timing. That should make the engie run cooler and have more power and be more responsive. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Franco" To: "Friends of triumph" ; <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 3:15 PM Subject: [Fot] Hot Running 6 > Hi > I just finished rebuilding a club members 74 TR6 that I had bored .060" > over due to cylinder wall damage. > The owner had the radiator cleaned out, provided a new water pump, > thermostat, temp sending unit and so on. > The car has a set of DGV Webers (downdraft) on it. > There are a couple of issues now with the engine I'm trying to sort out. > > Engine runs on the warm side with the gauge between 1/2 and 3/4 some > excursions to 3/4 when left idling for a _long_ time. When the engine is > revved to 1,500-2,000 rpm it settles back down to 5/8ths on the gauge. > > * I suspected a faulty replacement temp sending unit and > replaced it with one from my car and it brought the temp down > slightly. > * I also tried to burp the system by bleeding the air out at the > sending unit but I can't seem to get it out. When I remove the > sending unit there's just air. > * Any better methods of getting air out of the head?? Doesn't > seem to purge after thermal cycling the engine. New cap as well. > * The replacement thermostat was a 165 deg. I suspect that it's > higher than that. Can't measure actual coolant temp since I > broke my Temp Tester. > * My next step is to remove the thermostat. > > Engine backfires through the carbs cold when when snapping the throttle > when the chokes are off and not quite warmed up. Not a problem at > operating temp/No backfires. > > * Distributor is the vacuum retard type and the vacuum line is > disconnected. > * Base timing set at ~1deg BTDC > > Any Ideas? > Thanks in Advance > Glenn Franco > Too Many TR's they keep multiplying > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sun Jun 19 08:21:29 2011 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:21:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 lower control arm rebound plate Message-ID: <4DFE05E9.8000600@cfl.rr.com> I am in need of two TR6 rebound plates that bolt to the shock mounting studs. Does anyone have a set to sell? thxx, Bob Davis From gaf3 at charter.net Sun Jun 19 10:50:47 2011 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:50:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hot Running 6 In-Reply-To: <4DFD2389.5030304@charter.net> References: <4DFD2389.5030304@charter.net> Message-ID: <4DFE28E7.3050406@charter.net> Group Thanks for all the input on the warm running engine and backfires. I jacked up the front of the car with the thermostat housing off and filled up the head with coolant. I also, as Kas suggested drilled out the thermostat housing and tapped it for a small pipe plug. It does the trick. Coolant temp now is steady at 9/16 to 5/8ths on the gauge regardless of how long it idles. Set the timing at 12 deg BTDC Thanks again! Glenn Too Many TR's they keep multiplying. On 6/18/2011 6:15 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Hi > I just finished rebuilding a club members 74 TR6 that I had bored .060" > over due to cylinder wall damage. > The owner had the radiator cleaned out, provided a new water pump, > thermostat, temp sending unit and so on. > The car has a set of DGV Webers (downdraft) on it. > There are a couple of issues now with the engine I'm trying to sort out. > > Engine runs on the warm side with the gauge between 1/2 and 3/4 some > excursions to 3/4 when left idling for a _long_ time. When the engine is > revved to 1,500-2,000 rpm it settles back down to 5/8ths on the gauge. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 20 09:46:51 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:46:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms a success Message-ID: <8CDFD78683C1F13-B98-326E8@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Our report...there should be more from others. 1st outing with new engine since failure at Topeka Heat soaking a declining coil brought #197 in to the paddock after five laps for two of the races. Replaced coil with one loaned by Scott Barr and it was gang busters for the one hour enduro. Sean was down to 1:29 during the enduro and running consistent lap times. Notably......son Mark ran Blackhawk for the first time in almost 20 years and has had limited track time anywhere since. He ran 1:33s immediately and ran 1:31s as his best lap. This is pretty impressive, methinks. Mark's back.....!!! Lessons learned....20 year coil should have been replaced long ago. duh! Father's Day had 9 Alexanders and three generations at the track and frequent FOT visitors to our paddock campsite. Very cool! New engine dry with superior engine assembly by Sean and Brendan....and crankcase vacuum system. Looks like we are in the business of vintage racing with Brendan coming along in the next couple of years. Now to focus on the AMBRO and the 10th Running of the Kastner Cup at Road Atlanta. Joe, Sean, Mark, Brendan From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 20 10:01:56 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:01:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LAGUNA SHIRTS AND POSTERS Message-ID: <8CDFD7A83A7B456-B98-329B4@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> I'll try publish inventory of what I have for shirts and poster later today. The shirt production was a last minute line item and is tough to manage distribution even when it is not. NOTE: There may be a few shirts and posters available in Ca. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------- 10TH KASTNER CUP: I suspect Henry Frye will be looking for a PROJECT MANAGER for shirt production and distribution quite soon. Poster Artwork is being reviewed by a small sub committee right now. Joe A From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Jun 20 10:40:32 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:40:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure Message-ID: <4DFF7800.1020504@comcast.net> Yesterday, in the vintage race at Portland's Rose Cup races, my wife Patty, suffered a major brake failure of a front caliper. Both lugs sheared off. The bolts are still tight and hold the broken portions of the lugs to the upright. I cannot remember where I got these calipers, (can't find the receipt), but they were new last summer. I wasn't really impressed with them because the casting looked really rough, and they were a bit oversized - I had to grind off the outer corner to get them to clear the Panasport wheels. I'm passing this on as a word of warning to others. Can anyone recommend a source for good quality calipers? Thanks in advance - Jim Norlin From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jun 20 11:13:25 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:13:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms NOT a success In-Reply-To: <8CDFD78683C1F13-B98-326E8@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDFD78683C1F13-B98-326E8@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D5FB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> We had less success this weekend. Chased a bad miss all weekend and ultimately popped a pushrod loose, shaving a bunch of aluminum off of the rocker. Another rebuild on the way. The upside is that it freed up a good coil for the Alexanders' efforts. Great work, guys! You looked very good out there. Presently having my ass kicked by equipment, Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:47 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms a success Our report...there should be more from others. 1st outing with new engine since failure at Topeka Heat soaking a declining coil brought #197 in to the paddock after five laps for two of the races. Replaced coil with one loaned by Scott Barr and it was gang busters for the one hour enduro. Sean was down to 1:29 during the enduro and running consistent lap times. Notably......son Mark ran Blackhawk for the first time in almost 20 years and has had limited track time anywhere since. He ran 1:33s immediately and ran 1:31s as his best lap. This is pretty impressive, methinks. Mark's back.....!!! Lessons learned....20 year coil should have been replaced long ago. duh! Father's Day had 9 Alexanders and three generations at the track and frequent FOT visitors to our paddock campsite. Very cool! New engine dry with superior engine assembly by Sean and Brendan....and crankcase vacuum system. Looks like we are in the business of vintage racing with Brendan coming along in the next couple of years. Now to focus on the AMBRO and the 10th Running of the Kastner Cup at Road Atlanta. Joe, Sean, Mark, Brendan _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jun 20 11:49:12 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:49:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms a success In-Reply-To: <8CDFD78683C1F13-B98-326E8@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDFD78683C1F13-B98-326E8@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:46 AM, wrote: > Our report...there should be more from others. > > The Blackhawk Classic was NOT a good outing for Friendly Ghost Racing. > After Friday practice the weekend looked promising. We seemed to have solved > accesive front tire wear problems by minor front end maintance and replacing > front tie rod ends (very nice ones sourced from Spit Bits). Anyway, shifting > got a little funny feeling towards the end of the first session Saturday > morning. Entering the pit lane I could not get the car into second gear, nor > first gear entering the paddock. Finally able to get first gear and made it > to our spot at which point the car jumped out of gear and made an aweful > grinding noise as the car popped out of first gear. Pulled the tunnel cover > to find tons of aluminum dust and bits of very small aluminum shavings all > over the trans and chassis rails. With no Tilton clutch spares or extra > flywheel on hand, no attempt was made to fix it out there in the heat and > dirt. I am eager to break everything down tonight to see what exactly > happened. but suspect something went wrong with the clutch and flywheel and > most definately something is terminal in that area. > I'll be looking for some help in this area once I figure out what exactly broke. This Tilton set-up came with the car and besides basic notes on clutch disk thicknesses and two part #'s, no real info on what all this stuff is and where it came from is known. I'm sure I will need some new parts and will be looking for info on what I need and where to get it. My first DNS... Beaten by equipment. Socially, a great FOT weekend hanging out for wine and cheese with Triumph Legends Bill Damndinger and Bob Wismer whose cars are beautifully prepared. A treat to talk about Laguna and FOT stuff with Joe Alexander. A Mexican fiesta with Murphy Racing, Barrs, Husmann, Tom Strange, and as always my main man GT6 Master John Reed. FOT Rules! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 # 27 From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 20 12:16:58 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:16:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] shirts and posters Message-ID: <8CDFD8D60E49D9C-125C-7C41@Webmail-m120.sysops.aol.com> FOT, There was an unexpected run on Laguna shirts at Blackhawk. This was good for me as it whittled down that godawful stack of various shirts. Do not shoot this volunteer. THERE IS: ONE ONLY 2XL LONG FOUR 2XL SHORT FOUR 3XL SHORT I might have 5 posters that are unspoken for. Those will go with any further shirt orders at no additional cost. There might be more shirts in California, but I dont know what is there.....We are looking for one for Barry Munson right now as he has paid already. The vendor that was engaged by John Nikas offered to print more shirts, but that should handled by the KCUP COMMITTEE out in California. First responders get the remaining shirts I have. Regards, BETWEEN A ROCK AND A SHIRT PLACE Joe A. From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jun 20 12:49:54 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:49:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms NOT a success Message-ID: <6f1a9.39fa4f0c.3b30f052@aol.com> In a message dated 06/20/2011 12:46:52 PM Central Daylight Time, sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes: > <---We had less success this weekend. Chased a bad miss all weekend and > ultimately popped a pushrod loose, shaving a bunch of aluminum off of > the rocker. Another rebuild on the way. The upside is that it freed up a > good coil for the Alexanders' efforts. Great work, guys! You looked very > good out there. > Presently having my ass kicked by equipment,---> When I consider the effort Scott Barr (papa Jerry, and Tom Strange) put into engine building and race car prep...sure seems like they ought to be beating all comers. No so this past week end however, but one can't help but be impressed by their fortitude. Trackside efforts even included a 300 mile trip back and forth to the Fox River Valley for parts. There was a time when Beady Eye racing used to perform such extraordinary efforts to keep a race car on the track. No more. When something breaks now, it's almost a relief to hide behind. Wismer's TR4 ran great, and my TR3 ran OK, but stopped wanting to go into 4th gear in the Saturday Sprint race, so I skipped the feature on Sunday. You can actually get into a nice, pleasant rhythm doing Blackhawk using just 2nd and 3rd gears, but you sure miss 4th on the two long straights. Our Wine & Cheese parties on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights were a great success. In addition to Vermont Cheddar, some Muenster, and our ever popular Mendora Bleu, we featured a new Wisconsin Brie from nearby Belmont. It was well received and went well on rye crisp crackers. Got to meet Jason Ostrowski's (GT6) family. He has two of the cutest little daughters, and both will talk your arm off. His wife's cute too. He's got more than his fair share of good looking women and thus is liable to cause a shortage. Blackhawk Farms Raceway has all of the elevation changes of a frozen lake, but its interesting collection of corners makes it a great 'driver's track' and premier club circuit. What a way to spend Father's Day. Bill Dentinger From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jun 20 12:49:11 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:49:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] valves, seat pressure and guide clearance? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D601@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Had a rough weekend, running the Spitfire at the Blackhawk Classic. I had a terrible miss which we chased all weekend. Substituting a new distributor, coil, plugs, wires, cap, rotors changed nothing. Changing needles had no effect (the EGTs showed one carb running well (1400 degrees) and one not well (1100 degrees), and the air-fuel meter showed VERY rich when the engine was running poorly. Ultimately, it started running on 3 cylinders and we discovered a pushrod popped loose (on #7, intake). Lots of aluminum in the upper end, done for the weekend, time for another rebuild. This is a 1296 small-crank motor, with an A-10-A cam, larger (Ford) lifters, roller rockers, APT's "full race" valve springs, etc. The A-10-A is a 0.517 lift, 265 duration. I spent the 3-hour drive home developing theories about what went wrong here. One theory is that the 100 pounds of seat pressure wasn't enough to keep the valves from floating and I ultimately popped the #6 pushrod loose. My notes from the head assembly show that we used 0.060" valve shims to get to 105-ish pounds of seat pressure. Full open pressure, according to the chart APT sent me, is 278 pounds. Another theory, floated by a more knowledgeable source than I, is that it was a sticking valve that caused both the miss and the popped pushrod. I've had a stuck valve with this engine before, leading to some pretty comprehensive damage. Jack always recommended a lot of valve guide clearance. The machinist I use (roundy-round V8 builder) really doesn't like to use a lot of clearance. I can't locate the spec he used on this head, but my recollection says it was something in the neighborhood of 0.0025". That could be wrong. The sticky valve theory might well be corroborated by the fact that one EGT was consistently low while the other was fine. So the questions: (1) should 100 pounds of seat pressure be sufficient? And (2) what's the right valve clearance to avoid sticking valves? Scott B. From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Mon Jun 20 13:08:15 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:08:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] shirts and posters In-Reply-To: <8CDFD8D60E49D9C-125C-7C41@Webmail-m120.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDFD8D60E49D9C-125C-7C41@Webmail-m120.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I brought back 21 shirts for Gee, Bruner, Knight, Shea, Shuman, Ascencio, Mizutani, Weins, Davis and 4 SCTOA people. Barry has one which leaves 7. I don't have any for myself yet but I'll take 2. There are 4 XL short sleeves and 1 L. If any of the guys mentioned do not want shirts let me know and That should free up some more. On Jun 20, 2011 11:34 AM, wrote: > FOT, > > There was an unexpected run on Laguna shirts at Blackhawk. > > This was good for me as it whittled down that godawful stack of various > shirts. > > Do not shoot this volunteer. > > THERE IS: > > ONE ONLY 2XL LONG > > FOUR 2XL SHORT > > FOUR 3XL SHORT > > I might have 5 posters that are unspoken for. > > Those will go with any further shirt orders at no additional cost. > > There might be more shirts in California, but I dont know what is there.....We > are looking for one for Barry Munson right now as he has paid already. > > The vendor that was engaged by John Nikas offered to print more shirts, but > that should handled by the KCUP COMMITTEE out in California. > > First responders get the remaining shirts I have. > > Regards, > > BETWEEN A ROCK AND A SHIRT PLACE > > Joe A. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jun 20 13:08:25 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:08:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems Message-ID: <000001cc2f7d$6f3fee60$4dbfcb20$@com> The first 2 practice sessions went really good with no problems. I got turns 4 and 5 figured out by using the advice from Tony Drews last year to throw away turn 3A and just line up for 4 and 5. The car was working really good through there then. In the qualifying session it was running really good again but about = way through the session accelerating in 3rd gear it would come up to 3000 RPM and then just hit a wall and not go any higher. Not missing, just not accelerating, then after a couple of seconds it would take off and run right up to 5000 or 5500. A bit later it did the same thing in 4th, up shift and it would only go so far and hang there and then after a couple second, take off again. It did this intermittently around the track. After about 2 laps of this I came in. We found the alternator was not putting out any voltage and further checking showed our Optima Red battery was 5-1/2 years old and low on voltage. We charged it before the sprint race and the car ran well for about 4 laps and then started the same problem. I came in early again. We did notice that the battery didnt seem to be charging right. That was the last session and we went into town and got a new Optima Red battery. We made sure it was fully charged by putting it on our charger in the motel room overnight. For the feature race on Sunday the car ran great, for about 10 or 11 of the 14 laps. Then the problem cropped up again, but not as bad. I was able to finish the race. We did check the resistance of the coil (Lucas Sport) just as I came off the track on Saturday and the primary was a little high, 3.5 ohms instead of the normal 2.9  3.0. In the feature race, the car was again really working good! I could really run hard and hold a good line through the corners with a lot of power. About midway through the tires started to go off (Speedsters) and it got harder to hold it in the corners and I finally had to back off a little. I was getting some wheel spin off of some of the corners which was a little odd as we have a Detroit Locker. Is there a way to check out the Locker by manually turning the wheels with the car off of the ground? And, is there anything to check by taking the cover off of the diff and looking in? A great weekend with my partner and son Ryan crewing this time. What a fantastic way to spend Fathers Day! And, no rain and dry paddock, a rarity at Blackhawk. My best lap, in the Feature, was a 1.31.2, 2.5 seconds better than my best lap time last year. So it was definitely a success for me! Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 20 13:16:38 2011 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Waterford Hills Vintage Message-ID: <787139.29082.qm@web80802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici, I talked to Jeff Snook yesterday at EyesOn Design Car Show in Grosse Pointe Shores, Michigan and discovered that the PR folks at Waterford haven't gotten the word out about their Vintage race 29-31 July. More information can be found at: www.waterfordhills.com and click on the vintage link. Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jun 20 14:53:53 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:53:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems Message-ID: <5c96.76157e17.3b310d61@aol.com> In a message dated 06/20/2011 2:30:28 PM Central Daylight Time, timmurph at fastbytes.com writes: > <<< We did check the > resistance of the coil (Lucas Sport) just as I came off the track on > Saturday and the primary was a little high, 3.5 ohms instead of the normal > 2.9  3.0. >>> > Tim...I am not sure what ignition system you are using, but some > electronic systems do not like a 'Sport Coil'. They much prefer a standard coil. > <<< I was getting some wheel spin off of some of the corners > which was a little odd as we have a Detroit Locker. Is there a way to > check > out the Locker by manually turning the wheels with the car off of the > ground? And, is there anything to check by taking the cover off of the > diff > and looking in? >> Tim...Yes: 1. Get both rear wheels off the ground and completely free; 2. Place transmission in gear; 3. With an assistant on the other side, start the test by rotating both wheels in a forward direction as far as possible (normally both wheels will be stopped after rotating only a few inches); 4. With one person firmly holding the right wheel forward (against the stop), rotate the left wheel rearward while listening for a regular indexing or clicking sound. (the right wheel must be held firmly against the stop or the left wheel will not disengage freely). 5. Now do the reverse and rotate both wheels rearward as far as possible (again both wheels will be stopped after rotating only a few inches); 6. Again with one person firmly holding the right wheel rearward (against the stop), rotate the left wheel forward while listening for a regular indexing or clicking sound. (the right wheel must be held firmly against the stop or the left wheel will not disengage freely). 7. REPEAT steps 3, 4, 5, and 6 only this time holding the left wheel firm during each process; Bill Dentinger From jkhagen at charter.net Mon Jun 20 15:07:11 2011 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Waterford Hills Vintage Message-ID: <437ecd6f.d000b.130aee0e231.Webtop.45@charter.net> FYI/FOT, SCCA and VSCR are racing at Brainerd 7/8- 7/9 Info at SCCA/LOL John Hagen On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Doug Mitchell wrote: > Amici, > > I talked to Jeff Snook yesterday at EyesOn Design Car Show in Grosse > Pointe Shores, Michigan > and discovered that the PR folks at Waterford haven't gotten the word > out about their Vintage > race 29-31 July. More information can be found at: > www.waterfordhills.com and click on the vintage > link. > > Doug Mitchell > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jun 20 15:59:13 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:59:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems In-Reply-To: <5c96.76157e17.3b310d61@aol.com> References: <5c96.76157e17.3b310d61@aol.com> Message-ID: <000601cc2f95$4b438310$e1ca8930$@com> Thanks Bill, that procedure is just what I was looking for. I thought there was probably a way to do it but didn't know how. Much appreciated. When Ryan comes out this week we will try that. We are using a standard points and coil ignition system. I'm starting to think that we should change to another type after spending a good part of this afternoon reading up on ignition systems on the internet. I amazed myself again at how much I didn't know! The coil charge time at 6000 RPM probably isn't enough to really saturate the core in the coil. At the very least I think I will increase the dwell on the points from the "nominal" 58 degrees to around 65 degrees. Seeing as how the engine is hardly ever under 2000 RPM I'm not too worried about over heating the coil at low RPM with too much charge current. I've got more research to do. What is on my mind though is that "back in the day", before there was electronic ignitions, I'm pretty sure folks were running 4 cylinder engines way past 6000 RPM with good results. Maybe they did some stuff I'm not aware of to accomplish that. Anybody on the list have any ideas on that? One last point, I just measured a standard TR4 coil primary resistance and it is 1.5 ohms. The 3 or 4 Lucas Sport coils I've measured are all about 3.0 ohms. I don't understand that either. Tim From: BillDentin at aol.com [mailto:BillDentin at aol.com] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 3:54 PM To: timmurph at fastbytes.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems In a message dated 06/20/2011 2:30:28 PM Central Daylight Time, timmurph at fastbytes.com writes: <<< We did check the resistance of the coil (Lucas Sport) just as I came off the track on Saturday and the primary was a little high, 3.5 ohms instead of the normal 2.9 3.0. >>> Tim...I am not sure what ignition system you are using, but some electronic systems do not like a 'Sport Coil'. They much prefer a standard coil. <<< I was getting some wheel spin off of some of the corners which was a little odd as we have a Detroit Locker. Is there a way to check out the Locker by manually turning the wheels with the car off of the ground? And, is there anything to check by taking the cover off of the diff and looking in? >> Tim...Yes: 1. Get both rear wheels off the ground and completely free; 2. Place transmission in gear; 3. With an assistant on the other side, start the test by rotating both wheels in a forward direction as far as possible (normally both wheels will be stopped after rotating only a few inches); 4. With one person firmly holding the right wheel forward (against the stop), rotate the left wheel rearward while listening for a regular indexing or clicking sound. (the right wheel must be held firmly against the stop or the left wheel will not disengage freely). 5. Now do the reverse and rotate both wheels rearward as far as possible (again both wheels will be stopped after rotating only a few inches); 6. Again with one person firmly holding the right wheel rearward (against the stop), rotate the left wheel forward while listening for a regular indexing or clicking sound. (the right wheel must be held firmly against the stop or the left wheel will not disengage freely). 7. REPEAT steps 3, 4, 5, and 6 only this time holding the left wheel firm during each process; Bill Dentinger From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jun 20 18:36:52 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:36:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems In-Reply-To: <000601cc2f95$4b438310$e1ca8930$@com> References: <5c96.76157e17.3b310d61@aol.com> <000601cc2f95$4b438310$e1ca8930$@com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > > Anybody on the list have any ideas on that? > > Tim, > My guess is that most everyone is going to tell you that electronic > ignition is the way to go. > It may very well be. > However, Maybe as devils advocate, My car has always had points, runs well > normally, in the 6000 to 7300 range and could do more if needed. > I have taken a simple philosophy with my car that seems to have been > serving me well. The guys that built it knew what they were doing and raced > it hard for 30 years. So in most cases, I put my attention on maintaining > it, "as raced" which already takes all the time and money that I have. I > keep a close eye on the wear in the distributor and have had none thus far. > In my case, and I may be a lucky one, I'm still on the same set of points > from its last professional rebuild at least 14 years ago (the car sat for 12 > years) so for me after 9 racing weekends so far... not a misfire yet. So > again, I thought I would change to electronic ignition as well. But, with > many spare sets of points and condensers remaining in the spares box. I > think I'll use them up before switching over just yet... Call me crazy?!? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing From billb at bnj.com Mon Jun 20 19:11:10 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:11:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems In-Reply-To: References: <5c96.76157e17.3b310d61@aol.com> <000601cc2f95$4b438310$e1ca8930$@com> Message-ID: I stuck with points on Peyote for years. I did, however, use a mallory dual point disty. The lucas distributors in my experience wear quickly and give inconsistent timing. A pertronix is the easiest way to fix that since the runout has little effect on the timing. But you need 14 V for them to work really well. If you don't have an alternator then you might have problems--at least they used to. Garmey fitted an alternator on Peyote so he could be sure I wouldn't have dead battery issues and so we could run electronics. I'm still arguing with him about it, but it's been dead reliable after some initial teething issues. On Jun 20, 2011, at 5:36 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > >> >> Anybody on the list have any ideas on that? >> >> Tim, >> My guess is that most everyone is going to tell you that electronic >> ignition is the way to go. >> It may very well be. >> However, Maybe as devils advocate, My car has always had points, runs well >> normally, in the 6000 to 7300 range and could do more if needed. >> I have taken a simple philosophy with my car that seems to have been >> serving me well. The guys that built it knew what they were doing and raced >> it hard for 30 years. So in most cases, I put my attention on maintaining >> it, "as raced" which already takes all the time and money that I have. I >> keep a close eye on the wear in the distributor and have had none thus far. >> In my case, and I may be a lucky one, I'm still on the same set of points >> from its last professional rebuild at least 14 years ago (the car sat for 12 >> years) so for me after 9 racing weekends so far... not a misfire yet. So >> again, I thought I would change to electronic ignition as well. But, with >> many spare sets of points and condensers remaining in the spares box. I >> think I'll use them up before switching over just yet... Call me crazy?!? >> >> Jason Ostrowski >> Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 skype: bill.babcockkenalu www.bnj.com From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net Mon Jun 20 20:38:36 2011 From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure In-Reply-To: <4DFF7800.1020504@comcast.net> References: <4DFF7800.1020504@comcast.net> Message-ID: <367333.22499.qm@web180315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Mine are from Spitbits. They were put on by the previous owner and so far - so good. Note the Spitbits has two different calipers available. The 'made in China' for $115 and the 'OE Quality' for $220. Mine are the later. Just curious. If you look at the fractured area, was it half shiny and half rusty. I've seen a few axles (stubs & solids) that look like that. Usually indicated that it was previously damaged by a hard impact and partially fractured, and later on failed from fatigue. Tim ________________________________ From: Jim Norlin To: FOT Sent: Mon, June 20, 2011 9:40:32 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure Yesterday, in the vintage race at Portland's Rose Cup races, my wife Patty, suffered a major brake failure of a front caliper. Both lugs sheared off. The bolts are still tight and hold the broken portions of the lugs to the upright. I cannot remember where I got these calipers, (can't find the receipt), but they were new last summer. I wasn't really impressed with them because the casting looked really rough, and they were a bit oversized - I had to grind off the outer corner to get them to clear the Panasport wheels. I'm passing this on as a word of warning to others. Can anyone recommend a source for good quality calipers? Thanks in advance - Jim Norlin _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/1964spitfire at pacbell.net -s From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jun 20 21:19:08 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:19:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems In-Reply-To: <230694.87042.qm@web180316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <5c96.76157e17.3b310d61@aol.com> <000601cc2f95$4b438310$e1ca8930$@com> <230694.87042.qm@web180316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000d01cc2fc1$fd580720$f8081560$@com> Good point. I'm going to check the workshop manual schematic and see what it shows and also Ryan's street TR4 and see what it has in it. Tim From: Tim Pettenati [mailto:pettenat at pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 9:51 PM To: Tim Murphy Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems The Lucas Sport is designed to be used without a ballast resistor. The originals TR4 must have been designed to be used with a 1.5 ohm ballast. Tim _____ From: Tim Murphy One last point, I just measured a standard TR4 coil primary resistance and it is 1.5 ohms. The 3 or 4 Lucas Sport coils I've measured are all about 3.0 ohms. I don't understand that either. Tim From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Jun 20 21:56:19 2011 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 03:56:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems In-Reply-To: <1599692674.1829675.1308628530876.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1976038557.1829702.1308628579963.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hey guys, I recently had a stock distributor rebuild and upgraded by Jeff at Advanced Distributors for my TR3A, after reading Kas' new book. It's looks as nice as it possibly could be. I haven't run it yet, but I'm confident it will work great. Jeff said his rebuilds are about 50/50, points/electronic for race car rebuilds and both systems have their own issues. I went with Pertronics. If you're curious, check out his websites' many testimonials on cars being awakened by his work. A worksheet is sent with the dist. regarding your engine build and he sets them up for that engine. He'll do recurves for $20 if you change something. The price was great with cap and wires included. Regards, Dave Hogye NFI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Jason Ostrowski" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 6:11:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems I stuck with points on Peyote for years. I did, however, use a mallory dual point disty. The lucas distributors in my experience wear quickly and give inconsistent timing. A pertronix is the easiest way to fix that since the runout has little effect on the timing. But you need 14 V for them to work really well. If you don't have an alternator then you might have problems--at least they used to. Garmey fitted an alternator on Peyote so he could be sure I wouldn't have dead battery issues and so we could run electronics. I'm still arguing with him about it, but it's been dead reliable after some initial teething issues. On Jun 20, 2011, at 5:36 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > >> >> Anybody on the list have any ideas on that? >> >> Tim, >> My guess is that most everyone is going to tell you that electronic >> ignition is the way to go. >> It may very well be. >> However, Maybe as devils advocate, My car has always had points, runs well >> normally, in the 6000 to 7300 range and could do more if needed. >> I have taken a simple philosophy with my car that seems to have been >> serving me well. The guys that built it knew what they were doing and raced >> it hard for 30 years. So in most cases, I put my attention on maintaining >> it, "as raced" which already takes all the time and money that I have. I >> keep a close eye on the wear in the distributor and have had none thus far. >> In my case, and I may be a lucky one, I'm still on the same set of points >> from its last professional rebuild at least 14 years ago (the car sat for 12 >> years) so for me after 9 racing weekends so far... not a misfire yet. So >> again, I thought I would change to electronic ignition as well. But, with >> many spare sets of points and condensers remaining in the spares box. I >> think I'll use them up before switching over just yet... Call me crazy?!? >> >> Jason Ostrowski >> Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 skype: bill.babcockkenalu www.bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From haretoday at comcast.net Mon Jun 20 23:19:19 2011 From: haretoday at comcast.net (haretoday at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 05:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure In-Reply-To: <367333.22499.qm@web180315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <511022402.1516684.1308633559676.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hi Jim and Patty What a scary moment that has to be.B I've been sending my original calipers and cylinders to Goldline Brakes in Seattle to get overhauled.B A knowledgeable and skilled one man shop..B And the cost isn't that much different. Jim-see you at Baxter's SteveB B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Pettenati" <1964spitfire at pacbell.net> To: "Jim Norlin" , "FOT" Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 7:38:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure Jim, Mine are from Spitbits. They were put on by the previous owner and so far - so good. B Note the Spitbits has two different calipers available. B The 'made in China' for $115 and the 'OE Quality' for $220. B Mine are the later. Just curious. If you look at the fractured area, was it half shiny and half rusty. B I've seen a few axles (stubs & solids) that look like that. B Usually indicated that it was previously damaged by a hard impact and partially fractured, and later on failed from fatigue. Tim ________________________________ From: Jim Norlin To: FOT Sent: Mon, June 20, 2011 9:40:32 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure Yesterday, in the vintage race at Portland's Rose Cup races, my wife Patty, suffered a major brake failure of a front caliper. B Both lugs sheared off. B The bolts are still tight and hold the broken portions of the lugs to the upright. B I cannot remember where I got these calipers, (can't find the receipt), but they were new last summer. B I wasn't really impressed with them because the casting looked really rough, and they were a bit oversized - I had to grind off the outer corner to get them to clear the Panasport wheels. I'm passing this on as a word of warning to others. Can anyone recommend a source for good quality calipers? Thanks in advance - Jim Norlin _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/1964spitfire at pacbell.net -s _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/haretoday at comcast.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 21 07:05:06 2011 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems In-Reply-To: <1976038557.1829702.1308628579963.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1976038557.1829702.1308628579963.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <166027.73625.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I recently did the same thing after an ignition failure this Spring at VIR. My Lucas dizzy came back from Advanced Distributor looking like a work of art.... not dizzy any more. Dennis p.s. I stopped at Dave Hogye's place in Santa Cruz on my way to the Kastner Cup - he has the nicest TR3 race car that I have ever seen. I can't wait to see it on the track. Hey guys, I recently had a stock distributor rebuild and upgraded by Jeff at Advanced Distributors for my TR3A, after reading Kas' new book. It's looks as nice as it possibly could be. I haven't run it yet, but I'm confident it will work great. Jeff said his rebuilds are about 50/50, points/electronic for race car rebuilds and both systems have their own issues. I went with Pertronics. If you're curious, check out his websites' many testimonials on cars being awakened by his work. A worksheet is sent with the dist. regarding your engine build and he sets them up for that engine. He'll do recurves for $20 if you change something. The price was great with cap and wires included. Regards, Dave Hogye NFI From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jun 21 08:18:43 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:18:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Advanced Performance Technologies RIVERSIDE, CA In-Reply-To: <8CDFE350115EA4D-22A0-3A242@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D5FE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050D326F@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D61E@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <8CDFE350115EA4D-22A0-3A242@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDFE3542EB0CF5-22A0-3A29C@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> Just a note: APT is Dave Anton and Dave is moving into wetsleeve engines, in addition to BMC and Spitfire engines. He has an expansive and comprehensive machine shop and clean room. Cam grinding and dyno work are included in his activities. He is a member of British Motor Trade Association and can be found in the BMTA membership directory. The membership directory contains other names that you might find interesting. Others may have a few words about APT. I visited his shop last November and usually see him at BMTA meetings. Joe A ubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/cwe/n197tr4 at cs.com From horizonracing at msn.com Tue Jun 21 10:20:28 2011 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:20:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Advanced Performance Technologies RIVERSIDE, CA In-Reply-To: <8CDFE3542EB0CF5-22A0-3A29C@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D5FE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050D326F@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local>, <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D61E@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>, <8CDFE350115EA4D-22A0-3A242@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com>, <8CDFE3542EB0CF5-22A0-3A29C@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: As a side note: www.horizonracing.com Tony Garmey who restored the TR 250K (and drives it), care taker of Bill Harts Devin TR and Bill Babcocks Peyote plus TR4's and a TR 3 also in the stable. We do custom and one off type projects not limited too but including tubular sway bars ,lite weight widets and things, Engine/g-box/diff rebuilds, Arrive n drive track side service, full restorations, driver training. From Can am to Formula vee, Lotus, Brabham, Cooper, Lola, McLaren, MG, (PA,PB, Magna, MGB's), porsche, Lister and we even have a straight axle 62 corvette. Please PM me if you have any questions or projects you wish to discuss. Thanks Tony Garmey > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:18:43 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] Advanced Performance Technologies RIVERSIDE, CA > > Just a note: > > > > > > > > > > > APT is Dave Anton and Dave is moving into wetsleeve engines, in addition to > BMC and Spitfire engines. > > He has an expansive and comprehensive machine shop and clean room. > > Cam grinding and dyno work are included in his activities. > > He is a member of British Motor Trade Association and can be found in the BMTA > membership directory. The membership directory contains other names that you > might find interesting. > > Others may have a few words about APT. I visited his shop last November and > usually see him at BMTA meetings. > > Joe A > > > > > > > > > > > ubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/cwe/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jun 21 11:55:42 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:55:42 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa Summer Classic 2011 with CSCC In-Reply-To: References: <008e01cc27a9$0aa95e90$1ffc1bb0$@camoletti.ch>, <002f01cc29f5$dd32ebd0$9798c370$@com> Message-ID: <003401cc303c$72399890$56acc9b0$@com> There are some photos available: http://www.triumph-competition.de/fotos/2011 Cheers Chris From stutzmans at comcast.net Tue Jun 21 11:56:24 2011 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:56:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms NOT a success In-Reply-To: <6f1a9.39fa4f0c.3b30f052@aol.com> References: <6f1a9.39fa4f0c.3b30f052@aol.com> Message-ID: Bill, I miss your wine & cheese parties at Watkins Glen some years ago. Alas, nobody goes to Watkins anymore. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms NOT a success > In a message dated 06/20/2011 12:46:52 PM Central Daylight Time, > sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes: > > >> <---We had less success this weekend. Chased a bad miss all weekend and >> ultimately popped a pushrod loose, shaving a bunch of aluminum off of >> the rocker. Another rebuild on the way. The upside is that it freed up >> a >> good coil for the Alexanders' efforts. Great work, guys! You looked >> very >> good out there. >> Presently having my ass kicked by equipment,---> > > When I consider the effort Scott Barr (papa Jerry, and Tom Strange) put > into engine building and race car prep...sure seems like they ought to be > beating all comers. No so this past week end however, but one can't help > but be > impressed by their fortitude. Trackside efforts even included a 300 mile > trip back and forth to the Fox River Valley for parts. There was a time > when > Beady Eye racing used to perform such extraordinary efforts to keep a race > car on the track. No more. When something breaks now, it's almost a > relief > to hide behind. Wismer's TR4 ran great, and my TR3 ran OK, but stopped > wanting to go into 4th gear in the Saturday > Sprint race, so I skipped the feature on Sunday. You can actually get > into > a nice, pleasant rhythm doing Blackhawk using just 2nd and 3rd gears, but > you sure miss 4th on the two long straights. > > Our Wine & Cheese parties on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights were a > great success. In addition to Vermont Cheddar, some Muenster, and our > ever > popular Mendora Bleu, we featured a new Wisconsin Brie from nearby > Belmont. > It was well received and went well on rye crisp crackers. Got to meet > Jason > Ostrowski's (GT6) family. He has two of the cutest little daughters, and > both will talk your arm off. His wife's cute too. He's got more than his > fair share of good looking women and thus is liable to cause a shortage. > > Blackhawk Farms Raceway has all of the elevation changes of a frozen lake, > but its interesting collection of corners makes it a great 'driver's > track' > and premier club circuit. What a way to spend Father's Day. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From ac at camoletti.ch Wed Jun 22 00:14:57 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:14:57 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Advanced Distributors, great work! Message-ID: <011601cc30a3$b62cbed0$22863c70$@camoletti.ch> Indeed, I got 2 distributors rebuilt by Jeff (www.advanceddistributors.com) recently, one for the TR3 the other for an early Turbo Esprit with dry sump engine and Jeff sent me back beautiful pieces with custom curves as both are prepped engines. As Dennis writes: works of art ! Kind of miracle when you know how they looked (and worked) before... Jeff has a tremendous knowledge and top notch workmanship, and is a very nice friendly chap as well ! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Dennis DeLap Envoyi : mardi 21 juin 2011 15:05 @ : davehogye; Bill Babcock Cc : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Advanced Distributors, great work! I recently did the same thing after an ignition failure this Spring at VIR. My Lucas dizzy came back from Advanced Distributor looking like a work of art.... not dizzy any more. Dennis p.s. I stopped at Dave Hogye's place in Santa Cruz on my way to the Kastner Cup - he has the nicest TR3 race car that I have ever seen. I can't wait to see it on the track. Hey guys, I recently had a stock distributor rebuild and upgraded by Jeff at Advanced Distributors for my TR3A, after reading Kas' new book. It's looks as nice as it possibly could be. I haven't run it yet, but I'm confident it will work great. Jeff said his rebuilds are about 50/50, points/electronic for race car rebuilds and both systems have their own issues. I went with Pertronics. If you're curious, check out his websites' many testimonials on cars being awakened by his work. A worksheet is sent with the dist. regarding your engine build and he sets them up for that engine. He'll do recurves for $20 if you change something. The price was great with cap and wires included. Regards, Dave Hogye NFI _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed Jun 22 09:29:41 2011 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Advanced Distributors, great work! In-Reply-To: <011601cc30a3$b62cbed0$22863c70$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <2010456766.10650.1308756581322.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I would concur with both David and Alex regarding Advanced Distributors. I spoke with Jeff about my TR4 racercar, answered a few questions for him about engine specs and a couple of weeks later I had a new Lucas distributor with Pertronix on my doorstep with a custom advance curve. I bought a second unit as a back up and would certainly recommend Jeff's company - good work, fast service and excellent product. Gary 1962 TR4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexandre Camoletti" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:14:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Advanced Distributors, great work! Indeed, I got 2 distributors rebuilt by Jeff (www.advanceddistributors.com) recently, one for the TR3 the other for an early Turbo Esprit with dry sump engine and Jeff sent me back beautiful pieces with custom curves as both are prepped engines. As Dennis writes: works of art ! Kind of miracle when you know how they looked (and worked) before... Jeff has a tremendous knowledge and top notch workmanship, and is a very nice friendly chap as well ! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Dennis DeLap Envoyi : mardi 21 juin 2011 15:05 @ : davehogye; Bill Babcock Cc : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Advanced Distributors, great work! I recently did the same thing after an ignition failure this Spring at VIR. My Lucas dizzy came back from Advanced Distributor looking like a work of art.... not dizzy any more. Dennis p.s. I stopped at Dave Hogye's place in Santa Cruz on my way to the Kastner Cup - he has the nicest TR3 race car that I have ever seen. I can't wait to see it on the track. Hey guys, I recently had a stock distributor rebuild and upgraded by Jeff at Advanced Distributors for my TR3A, after reading Kas' new book. It's looks as nice as it possibly could be. I haven't run it yet, but I'm confident it will work great. Jeff said his rebuilds are about 50/50, points/electronic for race car rebuilds and both systems have their own issues. I went with Pertronics. If you're curious, check out his websites' many testimonials on cars being awakened by his work. A worksheet is sent with the dist. regarding your engine build and he sets them up for that engine. He'll do recurves for $20 if you change something. The price was great with cap and wires included. Regards, Dave Hogye NFI _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintage.racer at comcast.net From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Jun 22 09:44:27 2011 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:44:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor Message-ID: <5BCF4D0FF62442F6BB05982DDD14C4FA@your89d26e0447> ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Solow To: Greg Solow Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:39 AM Subject: new oil infor Hello, A lot of racers are still using engine oils that are very low in the extreme pressure additives ZDDP and the diesel oil is NO longer good to use even with a can of ZDDP added to it. The "SM and SN" rated oils are ONLY good for the newer stock engines with roller rockers or tappets. Joe Gibbs race oil, Red Line racing, Swepco, Brad Pen with the proper classifications are about the only oils to use with flat tappet or OHC engines. other good oils that we know of are Torco, Valvolene Racing (FOR OFF ROAD USE ONLY)-------- The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Jun 22 11:45:56 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Lucas electrical explained! Message-ID: <1217484672.1481558.1308764756391.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> ELECTRICAL THEORY BY JOSEPH LUCAS Positive ground depends on proper circuit functioning, which is the transmission of negative ions by retention of the visible spectral manifestation known as bsmokeb. Smoke is the thing that makes electrical circuits work. We know this to be true because every time one lets the smoke out of an electrical circuit, it stops working. This can be verified repeatedly through empirical testing. For example, if one places a copper bar across the terminals of a battery, prodigious quantities of smoke are liberated and the battery shortly ceases to function. In addition, if one observes smoke escaping from an electrical component such as a Lucas voltage regulator, it will also be observed that the component no longer functions. The logic is elementary and inescapable! The function of the wiring harness is to conduct the smoke from one device to another. When the wiring springs a leak and lets all the smoke out of the system, nothing works afterward. Starter motors were considered unsuitable for British motorcycles for some time largely because they consumed large quantities of smoke, requiring very unsightly large wires. It has been reported that Lucas electrical components are possibly more prone to electrical leakage than their Bosch, Japanese or American counterparts. Experts point out that this is because Lucas is British, and all things British leak. British engines leak oil, British shock absorbers, hydraulic forks and disk brake systems leak fluid, British tires leak air and British Intelligence leaks national defense secrets. Therefore, it follows that British electrical systems must leak smoke. Once again, the logic is clear and inescapable. In conclusion, the basic concept of transmission of electrical energy in the form of smoke provides a logical explanation of the mysteries of electrical components especially British units manufactured by Joseph Lucas, Ltd. And remember: bA gentleman does not motor about after dark.b Joseph Lucas bThe Prince of Darknessb 1842-1903 A few Lucas quips: The Lucas motto: bGet home before dark.b Lucas is the patent holder for the short circuit. Lucas - Inventor of the first intermittent wiper. Lucas - Inventor of the self-dimming headlamp. The three-position Lucas switch--DIM, FLICKER and OFF. The other three switch settings--SMOKE, SMOLDER and IGNITE. The Original Anti-Theft Device - Lucas Electrics. If Lucas made guns, wars would not start Q: Why do the British drink warm beer? A: Because Lucas makes their refrigerators. This has been referred to as the smoke theory - when the smoke comes out it's finished, cooked or done for. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Jun 22 14:32:10 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:32:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure In-Reply-To: <511022402.1516684.1308633559676.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <511022402.1516684.1308633559676.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4E02514A.7000904@comcast.net> According to Patty, it actually wasn't all that scary. It happened in turn 7. Apparently the caliper lugs broke under braking, but because of the clamping force on the disk, didn't move until after the brakes were released. She heard a clunk between turns 7 & 8 and then slowed down trying to figure out what it was. She tried the brakes on the back straight and since by this time only the rears were still working (the adapter tube into the caliper twisted and broke, releasing fluid) she slowly pulled into the pits. I ordered a set of rebuilt Girlings from TSI today. On 6/20/2011 10:19 PM, haretoday at comcast.net wrote: > > Hi Jim and Patty > > What a scary moment that has to be. > > I've been sending my original calipers and cylinders to Goldline > Brakes in Seattle to get overhauled. A knowledgeable and skilled one > man shop.. And the cost isn't that much different. > > Jim-see you at Baxter's > > Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Pettenati" <1964spitfire at pacbell.net> > To: "Jim Norlin" , "FOT" > > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 7:38:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure > > Jim, > > Mine are from Spitbits. They were put on by the previous owner and so > far - so > good. Note the Spitbits has two different calipers available. The > 'made in > China' for $115 and the 'OE Quality' for $220. Mine are the later. > Just curious. If you look at the fractured area, was it half shiny and > half > rusty. I've seen a few axles (stubs & solids) that look like that. > Usually > indicated that it was previously damaged by a hard impact and partially > fractured, and later on failed from fatigue. > > Tim > ________________________________ > From: Jim Norlin > > To: FOT > Sent: Mon, June > 20, 2011 9:40:32 AM > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure > > Yesterday, > in the vintage race at Portland's Rose Cup races, my wife Patty, > suffered a > major brake failure of a front caliper. Both lugs sheared off. The > bolts > are still tight and hold the broken portions of the lugs to the upright. > I > cannot remember where I got these calipers, (can't find the receipt), > but they > were new last summer. I wasn't really impressed with them because the > casting > looked really rough, and they were a bit oversized - I had to grind > off the > outer corner to get them to clear the Panasport wheels. > > I'm passing this on > as a word of warning to others. > > Can anyone recommend a source for good > quality calipers? > > > Thanks in advance - Jim Norlin > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/1964spitfire at pacbell.net > > > -s > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/haretoday at comcast.net From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jun 22 18:08:44 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:08:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Tilton clutch and flywheel setup Message-ID: Amici, The assessment: Last weekend at Blackhawk farms I had a major aluminum flywheel failure. The ring gear and flywheel became two separate pieces and (the ring gear) bounced around like a hoola hoop inside the bell housing turning much of the flywheel into fine aluminum dust. It destroyed the Starter and significantly "filed down" the inside if the bell housing. On the plus side the Tilton Clutch appears unharmed as well as the Trans, input shaft, etc. looking all O.K. So with all parts I need on the shelf except the Trick Tilton Flywheel, I am looking for a replacement. I suspect the clutch and flywheel set up I have to be from the late seventies or early eighties. (as race notes from the early - mid eighties notate the regular replacement of Tilton cluch disk packs). The clutch has a gold colored case, 2 disks, and 6 mounting bolts to the flywheel. I contacted Tilton Industries today and they do not have the flywheel in stock (no real surprise) and do not make aluminum flywheels for this application anymore. They recommended a company from Califoria (Anaheim) called AASCO Motorsports that is a Tilton distributor and handles these types of orders on a regular basis. AASCO is involved with racing and specialize in Custom Flywheels especially with Tilton applications. Contacted them and they will make me a duplicate of the one I have...Send them the old tattered flywheel and clutch and they will make new aluminum one. The Question: Is there a FoT member with a source for the flywheel I need? Or perhaps someone from our group who also could make me the Flywheel? Most importantly, I need it as soon as possible... because I NEED TO RACE! Thanks for Any recommendation for a better source or if I should just send it out to AASCO Motorsports? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 23 09:36:21 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] LEAK DOWN TESTING CRANKCASE PRESSURES In-Reply-To: <8CDFFD183C57D7A-17A4-7451D@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDFFD183C57D7A-17A4-7451D@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDFFD26FBC8DFB-17A4-7461A@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> FOT This seems like it may be a good topic. I was getting an undue amount of crankcase pressure at Topeka.(Just now trying to find the time to sort out) At idle there are absolutely no engine oil leaks. At 60-100mph the oil is being pushed out in huge amounts. at every possible location. This occurs in spite of otherwise very effective vacuum system we have used with great success on the TR4 #197 Have never done a leak down test in all of these years or had one done. No experience at all. Results: 100/85 100/80 100/60 100/60 Pretty dismal readings if I did it correctly. Head is off and new rings to be installed. The benefit of FOT experience and knowledge would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! JOE A. From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jun 23 10:08:52 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:08:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LEAK DOWN TESTING CRANKCASE PRESSURES In-Reply-To: <8CDFFD26FBC8DFB-17A4-7461A@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDFFD183C57D7A-17A4-7451D@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> <8CDFFD26FBC8DFB-17A4-7461A@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: when I did this recently, i discovered I had to remove the rocker assembly to get good readings, as the air pressure pushed the pistons to BDC and at that point, one of the valves was always either starting to open or still closing with the cam I have. Did not seem to be a safe way to hold the crank at TDC where a closed valve reading would have been possible with the valve train installed. Assume you figured this out, but just to check the obvious . . . I had had the engine overheat and a head gasket fail when I lost an alternator pulley and was not watching my gauges (this car never overheated before . . . ). I had the head milled slightly to get rid of warp, but the machinist and I thought the valves and seats looked pretty good and just lapped them in. Turns out this was not enough and leak-down results were still crappy because the heat had distorted the valves and seats. Took the head apart again, recut the valve seats and valve faces, put it back together, incredible results with a worst cylinder 4% leak-down, and that's with no ring or cylinder work. Good luck! Scott GT6 On Jun 23, 2011, at 11:36 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: FOT This seems like it may be a good topic. I was getting an undue amount of crankcase pressure at Topeka.(Just now trying to find the time to sort out) At idle there are absolutely no engine oil leaks. At 60-100mph the oil is being pushed out in huge amounts. at every possible location. This occurs in spite of otherwise very effective vacuum system we have used with great success on the TR4 #197 Have never done a leak down test in all of these years or had one done. No experience at all. Results: 100/85 100/80 100/60 100/60 Pretty dismal readings if I did it correctly. Head is off and new rings to be installed. The benefit of FOT experience and knowledge would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! JOE A. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net Thu Jun 23 10:12:57 2011 From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics July 8-10 Message-ID: <979722.72161.qm@web180309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Great event. My wife and I usually attend as race officials, but unfortunately can't make it this year. If you've thought about running this event but haven't applied, now would be a good time. I spoke with Cris recently and he'd be happier if the grids were a bit fuller. So I thought I'd pass that along to the FoT. If you can't do the road course, the car club corral & auto-cross is another option. http://www.portlandhistorics.com/ Cheers, Tim From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 23 10:19:52 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] LEAK DOWN TESTING CRANKCASE PRESSURES In-Reply-To: References: <8CDFFD183C57D7A-17A4-7451D@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com><8CDFFD26FBC8DFB-17A4-7461A@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDFFD88420ACA8-1950-54B79@webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com> with our cam we were able to hold the crank in place and get readings. made mistake in not checking compression before removing head, but it is an extremely low time head. will be interested in peoples thoughts on my leak down outcomes with respect to crankcase pressures at speed. thanks Scott, Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: Joe Alexander ; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:09 am Subject: Re: [Fot] LEAK DOWN TESTING CRANKCASE PRESSURES when I did this recently, i discovered I had to remove the rocker assembly to get good readings, as the air pressure pushed the pistons to BDC and at that point, one of the valves was always either starting to open or still closing with the cam I have. Did not seem to be a safe way to hold the crank at TDC where a closed valve reading would have been possible with the valve train installed. Assume you figured this out, but just to check the obvious . . . I had had the engine overheat and a head gasket fail when I lost an alternator pulley and was not watching my gauges (this car never overheated before . . . ). I had the head milled slightly to get rid of warp, but the machinist and I thought the valves and seats looked pretty good and just lapped them in. Turns out this was not enough and leak-down results were still crappy because the heat had distorted the valves and seats. Took the head apart again, recut the valve seats and valve faces, put it back together, incredible results with a worst cylinder 4% leak-down, and that's with no ring or cylinder work. Good luck! Scott GT6 On Jun 23, 2011, at 11:36 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: FOT This seems like it may be a good topic. I was getting an undue amount of crankcase pressure at Topeka.(Just now trying to find the time to sort out) At idle there are absolutely no engine oil leaks. At 60-100mph the oil is being pushed out in huge amounts. at every possible location. This occurs in spite of otherwise very effective vacuum system we have used with great success on the TR4 #197 Have never done a leak down test in all of these years or had one done. No experience at all. Results: 100/85 100/80 100/60 100/60 Pretty dismal readings if I did it correctly. Head is off and new rings to be installed. The benefit of FOT experience and knowledge would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! JOE A. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jun 23 14:42:37 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:42:37 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LEAK DOWN TESTING CRANKCASE PRESSURES In-Reply-To: <8CDFFD26FBC8DFB-17A4-7461A@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDFFD183C57D7A-17A4-7451D@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> <8CDFFD26FBC8DFB-17A4-7461A@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001501cc31e6$19709730$4c51c590$@com> It very depends on the gauge you are using. My own gauge do read 90-60% leak on every cylinder. Another gauge shows 10-30%. Which one is right? I still run the engine as is. My engine started to leak badly after during the last race. Cause was a check valve failure on the crank case evacuation system. A new one is on the way and I hope the leak is gone with it. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Juni 2011 17:36 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] LEAK DOWN TESTING CRANKCASE PRESSURES FOT This seems like it may be a good topic. I was getting an undue amount of crankcase pressure at Topeka.(Just now trying to find the time to sort out) At idle there are absolutely no engine oil leaks. At 60-100mph the oil is being pushed out in huge amounts. at every possible location. This occurs in spite of otherwise very effective vacuum system we have used with great success on the TR4 #197 Have never done a leak down test in all of these years or had one done. No experience at all. Results: 100/85 100/80 100/60 100/60 Pretty dismal readings if I did it correctly. Head is off and new rings to be installed. The benefit of FOT experience and knowledge would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! JOE A. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From cwnfot at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 19:06:51 2011 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:06:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure In-Reply-To: <511022402.1516684.1308633559676.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <367333.22499.qm@web180315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <511022402.1516684.1308633559676.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <006601cc320b$018b09a0$04a11ce0$@com> Interesting that there are reproduction calipers being made. Are we saying that OEM calipers are no longer available for rebuilding? Are we talking GT6 calipers here or some level of Spitfire? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From alan at nosbritishparts.com Fri Jun 24 07:00:08 2011 From: alan at nosbritishparts.com (Alan ...) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 06:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure In-Reply-To: <006601cc320b$018b09a0$04a11ce0$@com> Message-ID: <110012.46388.qm@web1102.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> I think that is simply a matter of cost. I can buy these calipers for less than $80.00 each. I cannot rebuild them for that price considering my shop rate. I'm sure that I have recycled hundreds of rebuildable calipers over the last thirty years. But then I don't recall a later Lockheed or Girling caliper that could not be rebuilt. And I have never seen an original break under racing conditions. Alan at English Engine --- On Thu, 6/23/11, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 9:06 PM Interesting that there are reproduction calipers being made. Are we saying that OEM calipers are no longer available for rebuilding? Are we talking GT6 calipers here or some level of Spitfire? From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri Jun 24 11:24:55 2011 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 Message-ID: <43804.62025.qm@web180611.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi All, just checking to see if anyone has any experience with using a MSD 6al ignition box in a TR6. MSD says that their unit doesn't work with an odd fire engine. Seems like a TR6 engine is odd fire but I'm not sure. Apparently one test as to whether or not an engine is truely odd fire is to observe the configuration of the point cams in the distributor. The TR6 points cams appear to me to be even fire. This is on a 1974 TR6 that currently runs an electonic ignitor and hot coil I got from The Roadster Factory. I have added triple 40 DCOE Webers so I'm looking for the best spark I can get. Thanks for any thoughts, Jim From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri Jun 24 12:31:27 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:31:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 Message-ID: I've been using the 6AL for about fifteen years now so if it doesn't work I've now got much better excuses for those races I lost. Thanx for that! That said, we've seen some pretty weird failures on them so carry a spare. It says a lot when they sell a dual unit setup for NASCAR. Oh BTW, mines on a GT6 racer. In a message dated 6/24/2011 11:28:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sherryjimmy6116 at att.net writes: Hi All, just checking to see if anyone has any experience with using a MSD 6al ignition box in a TR6. MSD says that their unit doesn't work with an odd fire engine. Seems like a TR6 engine is odd fire but I'm not sure. Apparently one test as to whether or not an engine is truely odd fire is to observe the configuration of the point cams in the distributor. The TR6 points cams appear to me to be even fire. This is on a 1974 TR6 that currently runs an electonic ignitor and hot coil I got from The Roadster Factory. I have added triple 40 DCOE Webers so I'm looking for the best spark I can get. Thanks for any thoughts, Jim _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From goodparts at verizon.net Fri Jun 24 13:18:11 2011 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:18:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 In-Reply-To: <43804.62025.qm@web180611.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <43804.62025.qm@web180611.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Working fine on my two TR6's. First had it triggered by points and now it is working even better triggered by a Pertronics in the distributor. Don't use more than 32,000 or maybe 40,000 volt coil or it will arc from post to post in the cap. Richard Good ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 1:24 PM Subject: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 > Hi All, just checking to see if anyone has any experience with using a MSD > 6al > ignition box in a TR6. MSD says that their unit doesn't work with an odd > fire > engine. Seems like a TR6 engine is odd fire but I'm not sure. Apparently > one > test as to whether or not an engine is truely odd fire is to observe the > configuration of the point cams in the distributor. The TR6 points cams > appear > to me to be even fire. > > This is on a 1974 TR6 that currently runs an > electonic ignitor and hot coil I > got from The Roadster Factory. I have added > triple 40 DCOE Webers so I'm > looking for the best spark I can get. > > Thanks > for any thoughts, Jim From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri Jun 24 17:05:29 2011 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] On the MSD subject Message-ID: <962491.58551.qm@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks for the input on the MSD ignition. For some reason that odd fire question is floating around. Does anyone happen to know if the MSD 6al-2 (#6421) digital ignition unit is any more reliable or considerably better for other reasons than the previous analog unit (6al - #6420). The digital unit costs half again more but if reliability increases, it could be well worth it. Thanks, Jim From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jun 25 07:46:11 2011 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 08:46:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor References: <5BCF4D0FF62442F6BB05982DDD14C4FA@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: Greg, Are you saying the street legal VR1 sold at most auto parts stores isn't OK? They put the ZDDP back into the formula and are putting little yellow labels on to promote it. I've had success with it. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Friends of Triumph" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Greg Solow > To: Greg Solow > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:39 AM > Subject: new oil infor > > > > > Hello, A lot of racers are still using engine oils that are very low in > the > extreme pressure additives ZDDP and the diesel oil is NO longer good to > use > even with a can of ZDDP added to it. The "SM and SN" rated oils are ONLY > good > for the newer stock engines with roller rockers or tappets. Joe Gibbs race > oil, Red Line racing, Swepco, Brad Pen with the proper classifications are > about the only oils to use with flat tappet or OHC engines. other good > oils > that we know of are Torco, Valvolene Racing (FOR OFF ROAD USE > ONLY)-------- > > The Engine Room > Morgan & Sports Car Specialists > Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 > 831 429-1800 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Jun 25 14:04:10 2011 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] travel through Canada Message-ID: <8CE018A2E8C63E2-1080-114CA@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> Amici FOTer's , Advice for travel through Canada towing my racecar, anything to plan for ( do's and don'ts ) ?? Sincere thanks, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat Jun 25 14:51:31 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 14:51:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20110625205441.8DACE18789C@autox.team.net> I thought there were two types of VR-1, one being full synth. The VR-1 that I've used says ZDDP added. I'm using Brad Penn now, Joe Gibbs would be great except for the 15.00 per Qt. part. If you want to talk oil and clearances call the Joe Gibbs tech line. Lake Speed will be the one answering and he really knows motors and oil. Jim G -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:46 AM To: Greg Solow; Friends of Triumph; triumphs at autox.team.net; MOG-GROUP at GOOGLE.COM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor Greg, Are you saying the street legal VR1 sold at most auto parts stores isn't OK? They put the ZDDP back into the formula and are putting little yellow labels on to promote it. I've had success with it. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Friends of Triumph" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Greg Solow > To: Greg Solow > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:39 AM > Subject: new oil infor > > > > > Hello, A lot of racers are still using engine oils that are very low in > the > extreme pressure additives ZDDP and the diesel oil is NO longer good to > use > even with a can of ZDDP added to it. The "SM and SN" rated oils are ONLY > good > for the newer stock engines with roller rockers or tappets. Joe Gibbs race > oil, Red Line racing, Swepco, Brad Pen with the proper classifications are > about the only oils to use with flat tappet or OHC engines. other good > oils > that we know of are Torco, Valvolene Racing (FOR OFF ROAD USE > ONLY)-------- > > The Engine Room > Morgan & Sports Car Specialists > Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 > 831 429-1800 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 25 19:57:13 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 21:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] LEAK DOWN TEST THANKS! In-Reply-To: <8CE01A7A8F9D77F-1780-1999C@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE01A7A8F9D77F-1780-1999C@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CE01BB80A56277-1780-1B5CD@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> FOT, Information on leakdown testing proved to be very interesting and useful, especially in the future. Primary cause appears to be inadequate liner protrusion leading to gasket failure with combustion leakage to the pushrod and tappet areas, which pressurized the crankcase beyond it's ability to vent. Secondary causes may be an early version of a Cometic Gasket and higher compression ratio than I really need to run on this engine. The head is a bit suspicious but nothing to indicate it was part of the problem. No matter.....engine being reassembled to proper liner specs and head being replaced, along with reduced compression ratio. The objective here is sort out ergonomics and suspension first. With small cockpit, 50/50 weight distribution, and lower center of gravity, the AMBRO isnt the TR4 #197 I became used to. The good news here, is that the new shop is increasingly functionally and I am finding more time to work on MY stuff. Doesnt hurt to have GRANDSON with increasing competencies working along side. Thanks again.... Joe A. _______________________________________________ Cwe mailing list Cwe at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/cwe/n197tr4 at cs.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sat Jun 25 21:25:09 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 20:25:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] travel through Canada In-Reply-To: <8CE018A2E8C63E2-1080-114CA@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE018A2E8C63E2-1080-114CA@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4E06A695.7020608@comcast.net> It's been ages since I took a race car into Canada. What I do remember is that Canadian Customs wants to make sure you are not transporting stuff to sell. Who knows what's going to happen when you confront TSA trying to come back. On 6/25/2011 1:04 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > Amici FOTer's > > , > Advice for travel through Canada towing my racecar, anything to plan for ( > do's and don'ts ) ?? > > Sincere thanks, > Bob T > '64 Spit GT autocrosser > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 26 04:13:05 2011 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 06:13:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] travel through Canada Message-ID: <000101cc33e9$a3de8e90$eb9babb0$@rr.com> It's no big deal. We do it every year when we race at Mosport. There are limits on the amount of alcohol you can carry which are on the customs web site. They will want to know if you're going to leave anything in Canada; gifts; any weapons (no guns; knives; mace; explosives) etc. Where are you going and for what purpose and when you will be leaving Canada. Two years ago they x-rayed our trailer and motorhome (we stood away from it) but had us on our way shortly. Our Canadian friends said the x-ray rig was a new purchase and they had to justify it by using it. For the past few years I also have a fairly accurate list of all the tools; fluids and spares I carry in the enclosed trailer along with my racing log book that shows 22 years of ownership of the car. It's not a problem. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Norlin Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 11:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] travel through Canada It's been ages since I took a race car into Canada. What I do remember is that Canadian Customs wants to make sure you are not transporting stuff to sell. Who knows what's going to happen when you confront TSA trying to come back. On 6/25/2011 1:04 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > Amici FOTer's > > , > Advice for travel through Canada towing my racecar, anything to plan for ( > do's and don'ts ) ?? > > Sincere thanks, > Bob T > '64 Spit GT autocrosser > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Sun Jun 26 05:28:16 2011 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 07:28:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: I no time youll rid of your problems!... http://jacunart.com.br/sites.friend.php?okjGIS=39i6 From ac at camoletti.ch Sun Jun 26 14:59:00 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 22:59:00 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001cc3443$e124f2d0$a36ed870$@camoletti.ch> Indeed I made an extensive search on the net last year when looking into electronic ignitions for my dry sump Lotus esprit. It came out that the MSD units have a very high failure rate. I read so many stories of failed units after few days/weeks/months . Jeff Schlemmer from Advanced Distributors confirmed and mentioned the figure of 50% failure rate within the first year. He recommended Crane components, as in his experience (which is very comprehensive) they are reliable. I purchased everything from Crane. Hope this helps (as I spent many hours investigating the subject) Cheers Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Gt6steve at aol.com Envoyi : vendredi 24 juin 2011 20:31 @ : sherryjimmy6116 at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 I've been using the 6AL for about fifteen years now so if it doesn't work I've now got much better excuses for those races I lost. Thanx for that! That said, we've seen some pretty weird failures on them so carry a spare. It says a lot when they sell a dual unit setup for NASCAR. Oh BTW, mines on a GT6 racer. In a message dated 6/24/2011 11:28:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sherryjimmy6116 at att.net writes: Hi All, just checking to see if anyone has any experience with using a MSD 6al ignition box in a TR6. MSD says that their unit doesn't work with an odd fire engine. Seems like a TR6 engine is odd fire but I'm not sure. Apparently one test as to whether or not an engine is truely odd fire is to observe the configuration of the point cams in the distributor. The TR6 points cams appear to me to be even fire. This is on a 1974 TR6 that currently runs an electonic ignitor and hot coil I got from The Roadster Factory. I have added triple 40 DCOE Webers so I'm looking for the best spark I can get. Thanks for any thoughts, Jim _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From billb at bnj.com Sun Jun 26 15:12:50 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 14:12:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 In-Reply-To: <000001cc3443$e124f2d0$a36ed870$@camoletti.ch> References: <000001cc3443$e124f2d0$a36ed870$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <7828A89D-794F-45EC-83E1-C0F5943EB971@bnj.com> More like HAD a high failure rate. Mostly because, like pertronics, they had no steering diodes to prevent damage from reversed polarity connection. Pertronics actually has the gall to charge a premium for their version that has protection against reverse polarity, as if it wasn't dumb engineering to do it that way in the first place. AFAIK the MSD has reverse polarity protection now, which should prevent most "failures" as in "I don't know what happened, it just quit" when you know you screwed up and got it wrong. Of course I wouldn't know anything about that. Signed, Smokey On Jun 26, 2011, at 1:59 PM, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: > Indeed I made an extensive search on the net last year when looking into > electronic ignitions for my dry sump Lotus esprit. > It came out that the MSD units have a very high failure rate. I read so many > stories of failed units after few days/weeks/months . > Jeff Schlemmer from Advanced Distributors confirmed and mentioned the figure > of 50% failure rate within the first year. He recommended Crane components, > as in his experience (which is very comprehensive) they are reliable. > I purchased everything from Crane. > Hope this helps (as I spent many hours investigating the subject) > Cheers > Alex > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la > part de Gt6steve at aol.com > Envoyi : vendredi 24 juin 2011 20:31 > @ : sherryjimmy6116 at att.net; fot at autox.team.net > Objet : Re: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 > > I've been using the 6AL for about fifteen years now so if it doesn't work > I've now got much better excuses for those races I lost. Thanx for that! > > That said, we've seen some pretty weird failures on them so carry a spare. > It says a lot when they sell a dual unit setup for NASCAR. > > Oh BTW, mines on a GT6 racer. > > > In a message dated 6/24/2011 11:28:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > sherryjimmy6116 at att.net writes: > > Hi All, just checking to see if anyone has any experience with using a MSD > 6al ignition box in a TR6. MSD says that their unit doesn't work with an > odd fire engine. Seems like a TR6 engine is odd fire but I'm not sure. > Apparently one test as to whether or not an engine is truely odd fire is to > observe the configuration of the point cams in the distributor. The TR6 > points cams appear to me to be even fire. > > This is on a 1974 TR6 that currently runs an electonic ignitor and hot coil > I got from The Roadster Factory. I have added triple 40 DCOE Webers so I'm > looking for the best spark I can get. > > Thanks > for any thoughts, Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Jun 26 16:17:05 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:17:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers Message-ID: <20110626222011.7BFBB187647@autox.team.net> Some time ago a source for tr4 caliper cooling fins was mentioned but I can't seem to locate the thread. Does anyone remember what that source was? Thanks Jim G From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jun 26 17:58:15 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:58:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 In-Reply-To: <7828A89D-794F-45EC-83E1-C0F5943EB971@bnj.com> References: <000001cc3443$e124f2d0$a36ed870$@camoletti.ch> <7828A89D-794F-45EC-83E1-C0F5943EB971@bnj.com> Message-ID: <047101cc345c$ea8c2370$0301a8c0@randall> > More like HAD a high failure rate. Mostly because, like > pertronics, they had > no steering diodes to prevent damage from reversed polarity > connection. Could be, but the problem was certainly not only lack of a diode. In fact, the unit I took apart after MSD pronounced it unrepairable HAD a big diode in series with the hot lead. And since it failed while I was running down the road, I seriously doubt there was any reversed polarity event. But I will say that it was nice of the MSD tech to tell me the ratings of the charred components. With a little creative wiring around the burned section of the board, and a 5 watt resistor in place of the original 2 watt, I was able to resuscitate the unit and it worked for several more years. -- Randall From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Sun Jun 26 18:32:47 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:32:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor In-Reply-To: <2892a27c-d463-4438-8e77-c8582fb61e91@blur> References: <2892a27c-d463-4438-8e77-c8582fb61e91@blur> Message-ID: There are Not street legal versions of both petroleum and synthetic VR1's. hard to find and expensive. Bob Kramer Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Jim Gray To: 'Bob Kramer' , 'Greg Solow' , 'Friends of Triumph' , "triumphs at autox.team.net" , "MOG-GROUP at GOOGLE.COM" Sent: Sat, Jun 25, 2011 22:29:18 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor I thought there were two types of VR-1, one being full synth. The VR-1 that I've used says ZDDP added. I'm using Brad Penn now, Joe Gibbs would be great except for the 15.00 per Qt. part. If you want to talk oil and clearances call the Joe Gibbs tech line. Lake Speed will be the one answering and he really knows motors and oil. Jim G -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:46 AM To: Greg Solow; Friends of Triumph; triumphs at autox.team.net; MOG-GROUP at GOOGLE.COM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor Greg, Are you saying the street legal VR1 sold at most auto parts stores isn't OK? They put the ZDDP back into the formula and are putting little yellow labels on to promote it. I've had success with it. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Friends of Triumph" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Greg Solow > To: Greg Solow > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:39 AM > Subject: new oil infor > > > > > Hello, A lot of racers are still using engine oils that are very low in > the > extreme pressure additives ZDDP and the diesel oil is NO longer good to > use > even with a can of ZDDP added to it. The "SM and SN" rated oils are ONLY > good > for the newer stock engines with roller rockers or tappets. Joe Gibbs race > oil, Red Line racing, Swepco, Brad Pen with the proper classifications are > about the only oils to use with flat tappet or OHC engines. other good > oils > that we know of are Torco, Valvolene Racing (FOR OFF ROAD USE > ONLY)-------- > > The Engine Room > Morgan & Sports Car Specialists > Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 > 831 429-1800 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jun 26 19:13:27 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 18:13:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor In-Reply-To: References: <2892a27c-d463-4438-8e77-c8582fb61e91@blur> Message-ID: <001201cc3467$6c0a1e20$0301a8c0@randall> > There are Not street legal versions of both petroleum and > synthetic VR1's. hard to find and expensive. I was just looking at Valvoline's web site, and it lists only one "Valvoline Specialty Racing Oil (Not Street Legal)" (which does not say "VR1"). http://tinyurl.com/6hegkdb But it apparently has the same amount of ZDDP as both VR1 and VR1 synthetic. Note that VR1 and VR1 Synthetic meet several API standards (SH/SL/SM/SN/CD/CF) while the NSL stuff does not. I'm guessing that means the NSL doesn't have as many "long life" additives like detergents and anti-corrosion as VR1 does. The NSL also lists TBN less than 6 (which could mean 0), while VR1 lists TBN=8.5. BTW, Amazon lists Valvoline NSL at $40/case of 6. Not exactly cheap, but about what you'd pay for VR1 Synthetic in most stores. -- Randall From ac at camoletti.ch Mon Jun 27 01:55:52 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:55:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers In-Reply-To: <20110626222011.7BFBB187647@autox.team.net> References: <20110626222011.7BFBB187647@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000101cc349f$a342cc10$e9c86430$@camoletti.ch> Hi Jim! This must be in Kas' last book, a chapter about the clever design with copper sheet by Chris Marx (from Germany, aka Mad Marx) Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Jim Gray Envoyi : lundi 27 juin 2011 00:17 @ : 'Friends of Triumph' Objet : [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers Some time ago a source for tr4 caliper cooling fins was mentioned but I can't seem to locate the thread. Does anyone remember what that source was? Thanks Jim G _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 27 05:32:38 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers In-Reply-To: <000101cc349f$a342cc10$e9c86430$@camoletti.ch> References: <20110626222011.7BFBB187647@autox.team.net> <000101cc349f$a342cc10$e9c86430$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <8CE02D50D8774B2-BA8-17B1@web-mmc-m07.sysops.aol.com> yup, we saw a set in action at Laguna...apparently very effective. -----Original Message----- From: Alexandre Camoletti To: 'Jim Gray' ; 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2011 3:07 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers Hi Jim! This must be in Kas' last book, a chapter about the clever design with copper sheet by Chris Marx (from Germany, aka Mad Marx) Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Jim Gray Envoyi : lundi 27 juin 2011 00:17 @ : 'Friends of Triumph' Objet : [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers Some time ago a source for tr4 caliper cooling fins was mentioned but I can't seem to locate the thread. Does anyone remember what that source was? Thanks Jim G _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net Mon Jun 27 09:17:03 2011 From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons Message-ID: <929679.89385.qm@web180309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Anyone have a tried and true method to free stuck pistons out of an old motor. I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting with the head off for at least 15 years. Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and PB Blaster for several days, then tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't seem to weep past the rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times with a propane torch. That hasn't helped much either. I have the motor on a stand and alternate soaking it from the top or bottom every free days. I understand much patience is required. Eventually I may have to use brute force and bust the out. Not a big deal since the block will need to bored out. But at this point I'm still hopeful that they can be removed intact. Thanks, Tim From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 27 10:56:39 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:56:39 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <929679.89385.qm@web180309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <929679.89385.qm@web180309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001c01cc34eb$30178b30$9046a190$@com> I send you some photos of my work: Bore holes into the piston and sew the skirts through: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_T17qmiZWUoA/TWy27lT0BjI/AAAAAAAAAyQ/M9s2l K9DRwk/s640/DSC01431.JPG Bore a large hole into the piston deck and use a hammer to drive it out: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_T17qmiZWUoA/TW4WBuLjYuI/AAAAAAAAAys/F1yHO Z5jOyM/s800/DSC01436.JPG Good luck Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tim Pettenati Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2011 17:17 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons Anyone have a tried and true method to free stuck pistons out of an old motor. I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting with the head off for at least 15 years. Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and PB Blaster for several days, then tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't seem to weep past the rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times with a propane torch. That hasn't helped much either. I have the motor on a stand and alternate soaking it from the top or bottom every free days. I understand much patience is required. Eventually I may have to use brute force and bust the out. Not a big deal since the block will need to bored out. But at this point I'm still hopeful that they can be removed intact. Thanks, Tim _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Jun 27 12:18:17 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:18:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] (Non-LBC related, mostly) What's the best Xbox 360 racing game? Message-ID: <380-220116127181817897@M2W121.mail2web.com> Hi all! We finally bit the bullet and got an Xbox 360 with Kinect on a really good deal. This marks the first time Brad and I have been current with a gaming platform in our lives, lol! My question is: Is there a good racing game for the Xbox 360 that features lots of U.S. tracks? Joe C. had recommended F1, which we will get (it looks awesome!), but I am also looking for just/mostly U.S. tracks if possible. I remember we played a great racing game at your place a while back, Bob K., but don't remember what it was or any of the details, just that it was very cool. Anyone have any suggestions? We would be appreciative! Thanks! Susan :) PS - In just reading through the specs and stuff on the F1: 2010 game, the level of detail is AMAZING. I can't wait to get it! Oh, and a wheel & some pedals, etc... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From billb at bnj.com Mon Jun 27 12:39:46 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:39:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] (Non-LBC related, mostly) What's the best Xbox 360 racing game? In-Reply-To: <380-220116127181817897@M2W121.mail2web.com> References: <380-220116127181817897@M2W121.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <5EC74CD3-0D62-4F37-B9BA-8BAACD4C2148@bnj.com> Make sure you get the right wheel and pedals--makes all the difference. I don't know what that is for Xbox. For GP4 it's a special GP4 wheel made for the game. but I am woefully out of date. . On Jun 27, 2011, at 11:18 AM, spitfiresuz at 141.com wrote: > Hi all! > > We finally bit the bullet and got an Xbox 360 with Kinect on a really good > deal. This marks the first time Brad and I have been current with a gaming > platform in our lives, lol! > > My question is: Is there a good racing game for the Xbox 360 that features > lots of U.S. tracks? Joe C. had recommended F1, which we will get (it looks > awesome!), but I am also looking for just/mostly U.S. tracks if possible. I > remember we played a great racing game at your place a while back, Bob K., > but don't remember what it was or any of the details, just that it was very > cool. > > Anyone have any suggestions? We would be appreciative! > > Thanks! > > Susan :) > > PS - In just reading through the specs and stuff on the F1: 2010 game, the > level of detail is AMAZING. I can't wait to get it! Oh, and a wheel & some > pedals, etc... > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Jun 27 12:51:12 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:51:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <001c01cc34eb$30178b30$9046a190$@com> References: <929679.89385.qm@web180309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001c01cc34eb$30178b30$9046a190$@com> Message-ID: <701052BC-D1BC-4CBD-AFA2-E94E1F72F83C@gmail.com> Or pour in some muriatic acid and watch the aluminum dissolve (don't inhale). Duncan On Jun 27, 2011, at 11:56 AM, MadMarx wrote: > I send you some photos of my work: > > Bore holes into the piston and sew the skirts through: > https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_T17qmiZWUoA/TWy27lT0BjI/AAAAAAAAAyQ/M9s2l > K9DRwk/s640/DSC01431.JPG > > Bore a large hole into the piston deck and use a hammer to drive it out: > > https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_T17qmiZWUoA/TW4WBuLjYuI/AAAAAAAAAys/F1yHO > Z5jOyM/s800/DSC01436.JPG > > Good luck > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Tim Pettenati > Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2011 17:17 > An: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons > > Anyone have a tried and true method to free stuck pistons out of an > old motor. > I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting with > the head off for > at least 15 years. > > Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out > pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and > PB Blaster for several days, then > tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. > Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and > pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't > seem to weep past the > rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times with a > propane torch. > That hasn't helped much either. > > I have the motor on a stand and alternate > soaking it from the top or bottom > every free days. I understand much patience > is required. Eventually I may have > to use brute force and bust the out. Not > a big deal since the block will need to > bored out. But at this point I'm > still hopeful that they can be removed intact. > > > Thanks, > Tim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Jun 27 13:02:20 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] (Non-LBC related, mostly) What's the best Xbox 360 racing game? In-Reply-To: <380-220116127181817897@M2W121.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <1545554104.94041.1309201340467.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Forza is the best by far. F1 is great but you need a good steering wheel and a solid platform for it. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: spitfiresuz at 141.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:18:17 PM Subject: [Fot] (Non-LBC related,B B B B B B B B mostly) What's the best Xbox 360 racing game? Hi all! We finally bit the bullet and got an Xbox 360 with Kinect on a really good deal. This marks the first time Brad and I have been current with a gaming platform in our lives, lol! My question is: Is there a good racing game for the Xbox 360 that features lots of U.S. tracks? Joe C. had recommended F1, which we will get (it looks awesome!), but I am also looking for just/mostly U.S. tracks if possible. I remember we played a great racing game at your place a while back, Bob K., but don't remember what it was or any of the details, just that it was very cool. Anyone have any suggestions? We would be appreciative! Thanks! Susan B B :) PS - In just reading through the specs and stuff on the F1: 2010 game, the level of detail is AMAZING. I can't wait to get it! Oh, and a wheel & some pedals, etc... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jun 27 17:06:25 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:06:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MGB bearings in Spitfire 1500? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D6BE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I have a set of NOS bearings on my bench here, Glacier (AE) part number B4512LC-.010 (marked as being for Austin, Leyland, MG, Morris). My recollection is that these are MGB rod bearings which I bought to use in my 1500 Spitfire. They're a wider bearing but fit the Spitfire with a little modification of the locating tangs, IIRC. I know that I've done this installation before, but can't recall (or find any notes) about how it worked out. Could be one of those 1500cc motors that blew up when I was having so much trouble with oiling. Has anyone else done this? Confirmation that it's a good or bad idea? Would be nice to use them rather than buying new ones. But I'd rather hand them to one of our MG pals if it's a bad idea. Scott From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 17:59:11 2011 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <929679.89385.qm@web180309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tim, If you are not saving the pistons and have the crankshaft out of the block, why not set the block in a hydrolic press? Then place a suitable size thick piece of steel on top of the piston and press them out. I have a feeling they will move rather easily since you have been soaking them with penatrant. Ken Suhre Tim wrote: Has anyone tried > to free stuck pistons out of an > old motor. > I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting > with > the head off for > at least 15 years. > > Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out > pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and > PB Blaster for several days, then > tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. > Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and > pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't > seem to weep past the > rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times > with a > propane torch. > That hasn't helped much either. > > I have the motor on a stand and alternate > soaking it from the top or bottom > every free days. I understand much patience > is required. Eventually I may have > to use brute force and bust the out. Not > a big deal since the block will need to > bored out. But at this point I'm > still hopeful that they can be removed intact. > > > Thanks, > Tim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com From jibjib at att.net Mon Jun 27 20:24:31 2011 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:24:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers In-Reply-To: <8CE02D50D8774B2-BA8-17B1@web-mmc-m07.sysops.aol.com> References: <20110626222011.7BFBB187647@autox.team.net><000101cc349f$a342cc10$e9c86430$@camoletti.ch> <8CE02D50D8774B2-BA8-17B1@web-mmc-m07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <53697EF232384662B2C230436E6BA71C@EntCent> Here is the website for at least one manufacturer. I was debating making a set for my TR8 because they don't make them for Wedges. Then again, another car likely has the same caliper. http://www.fourproducts.com Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:33 AM To: ac at camoletti.ch; toodamnfunky at comcast.net; FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers yup, we saw a set in action at Laguna...apparently very effective. -----Original Message----- From: Alexandre Camoletti To: 'Jim Gray' ; 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2011 3:07 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers Hi Jim! This must be in Kas' last book, a chapter about the clever design with copper sheet by Chris Marx (from Germany, aka Mad Marx) Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Jim Gray Envoyi : lundi 27 juin 2011 00:17 @ : 'Friends of Triumph' Objet : [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers Some time ago a source for tr4 caliper cooling fins was mentioned but I can't seem to locate the thread. Does anyone remember what that source was? Thanks Jim G _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net From rjohns at woh.rr.com Tue Jun 28 13:24:33 2011 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 15:24:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons Message-ID: Duncan has suggested using Muriatic Acid to free the pistons. Most all acids will eat into the iron of the block. I suggest to use Sodium Hydroxide ( Lye) instead. It will not eat into the iron and will dissolve the aluminum. I have salvaged many two cycle cylinders and small engine cranks with aluminum con rods, that had the aluminum welded to the steel or plated surface, usually due to insufficient oil. The aluminum comes off clean and all you need to do is to smooth up the cylinder surface or crank pin. The warmer the affected surfaces, the faster the chemical reaction. Make sure us use good rubber gloves and a chemical mask. Bob Johns From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Jun 28 16:12:17 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 15:12:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005701cc35e0$71bd0060$55370120$@rr.com> > I suggest to use Sodium Hydroxide > ( Lye) instead. FWIW, I just went looking for a ready source of lye, as Red Devil Lye is no longer made. Turns out there is a product called "Roebic Heavy Duty Crystal Drain Opener" that is pure lye and apparently readily available from Lowe's, OSH, Ace, Amazon, etc. Most drain openers also contain other ingredients (like metallic aluminum) but this one doesn't. I'm going to pick some up on the way home, as that sounds a lot easier than trying to break the piston. -- Randall From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Tue Jun 28 18:41:28 2011 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? Message-ID: <1309308088.11294.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> What devices are you guys using for tuning and syncing carbs? Jim in Folsom, CA From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue Jun 28 19:31:35 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:31:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F90D21B-DB2A-4503-B173-8F6D88F16624@gmail.com> If sodium hydroxide reacts to a lesser degree with cast iron -- less damage is always better! I don't recall (too many years ago) what prompted me to use muriatic acid (hydrochloric) to remove aluminum piston smears from a cast iron jug on an air cooled motorcycle engine that had suffered a seizure. I knew that aluminum reacts vigorously with hydrochloric acid and have read that iron oxide is removed commercially with hydrochloric acid. Perhaps the expected limited dwell time (the aluminum layer was not very thick) led me not to be concerned about damage to the cast iron cylinder. The aluminum fizzed and dissolved very quickly with no visible sign of reaction with bare cast iron. There might be some concern about acid remaining embedded in the iron grain structure, causing future oxidation, but perhaps there is not much to worry about if the engine is going to be bored -- and the acid will remove rust from the cylinder. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 28, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Robert Johns wrote: > Duncan has suggested using Muriatic Acid to free the pistons. Most all acids > will eat into the iron of the block. I suggest to use Sodium Hydroxide ( Lye) > instead. It will not eat into the iron and will dissolve the aluminum. I > have salvaged many two cycle cylinders and small engine cranks with aluminum > con rods, that had the aluminum welded to the steel or plated surface, > usually due to insufficient oil. The aluminum comes off clean and all you > need to do is to smooth up the cylinder surface or crank pin. The warmer the > affected surfaces, the faster the chemical reaction. Make sure us use good > rubber gloves and a chemical mask. > Bob Johns > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue Jun 28 21:27:27 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott janzen) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 23:27:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? In-Reply-To: <1309308088.11294.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1309308088.11294.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2F4725A3-784C-4F96-B21A-8146427A3D10@me.com> Piece of 1/2" heater hose and your ear. Easy to tell variances Sent from my iPhone On Jun 28, 2011, at 8:41 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > What devices are you guys using for tuning and syncing carbs? > > Jim in Folsom, CA > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 28 21:54:41 2011 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Great Lakes Grand Prix Message-ID: <1309319681.74608.YahooMailRC@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - anyone racing the Great Lakes Grand Prix at Blackhawk on July 10th? Dennis From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Jun 28 22:06:29 2011 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 04:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? In-Reply-To: <1309308088.11294.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1935418208.315034.1309320389785.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> The best I've used on both Webers and SUs is one made by STE called the Syncrometer. About the size of a tennis ball with and opening on one end and graduated scale on the opposite side. You can synch carbs in not time at all. Quick and accurate. See http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-used-parts-sale-wanted/207473-ste-syncrometer.html. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 5:41:28 PM Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? What devices are you guys using for tuning and syncing carbs? Jim in Folsom, CA _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintage.racer at comcast.net From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Jun 28 22:26:50 2011 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 04:26:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR6 Timing Message-ID: <545731679.315592.1309321610714.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I've followed the recent series of emails on ignition timing for a TR6. I'd like to ask for some opinions on a related issue. I have a 1969 TR6 with triple Stromberg carb setup, Lucas distributor with Pertronix and vacuum advance. Currently, timing is set at 4 degrees ATDC at 800 rpm with the vacuum advance attached which is spec. The engine idles smoothly with good acceleration. However, the engine seems to warm up almost too quickly according to the water temp gauge and runs a bit warm. New temp sensor and another gauge made no difference in the readings. If I warm the car up then pull the vacuum line to the distributor there is no difference in idle speed and using a timing light, the engine revs freely to about 24 degrees BTDC (vacuum advance does not work). Attaching the vacuum line and the readings are the same plus I can see the vacuum advance mechanism on the distributor working when the throttle is blipped. I'm wondering if the vacuum advance is working correctly and if the engine timing is too far retarded resulting in the engine running warm while out cruising. Any thoughts? Thanks. Gary From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue Jun 28 22:32:42 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:32:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? In-Reply-To: <2F4725A3-784C-4F96-B21A-8146427A3D10@me.com> References: <1309308088.11294.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <2F4725A3-784C-4F96-B21A-8146427A3D10@me.com> Message-ID: <4E0AAAEA.2020400@comcast.net> I use an ancient UniSyn for setting idle, but the hose works pretty well also. However, that is just for idle and balancing. For racing purposes you need an exhaust gas sniffer, exhaust temp probes for each carb, a chassis dyno and a dyno operator that knows race car tuning. Cheapest horsepower you will ever get and the peace of mind knowing that you're not going to burn a hole in a piston. I also run an EGT probe all the time to help me make minor changes (a couple of flats up or down) to the SU's based on temperature, humidity and altitude changes. On 6/28/2011 8:27 PM, Scott janzen wrote: > Piece of 1/2" heater hose and your ear. Easy to tell variances > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 28, 2011, at 8:41 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > >> What devices are you guys using for tuning and syncing carbs? >> >> Jim in Folsom, CA >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jun 29 04:57:28 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 06:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? In-Reply-To: <1935418208.315034.1309320389785.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1935418208.315034.1309320389785.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CE0462784AA4D7-1D64-983E@Webmail-m121.sysops.aol.com> we've used one of these for several years. seems like the best way to go. it feels very precise and very easy to use. joe a. -----Original Message----- From: vintage.racer To: sherry robyn Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] What devices are you using? The best I've used on both Webers and SUs is one made by STE called the Syncrometer. About the size of a tennis ball with and opening on one end and graduated scale on the opposite side. You can synch carbs in not time at all. Quick and accurate. See http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-used-parts-sale-wanted/207473-ste- syncrometer.html. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 5:41:28 PM Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? What devices are you guys using for tuning and syncing carbs? Jim in Folsom, CA _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintage.racer at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Wed Jun 29 05:14:27 2011 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:14:27 +1000 Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? In-Reply-To: <1309308088.11294.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1309308088.11294.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <29B80EB64C0A42B18B91D1F6F7507614@GEOFFPC> Here ear ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:41 AM Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? > What devices are you guys using for tuning and syncing carbs? > > Jim in Folsom, CA > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Jun 29 05:20:28 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 06:20:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Great Lakes Grand Prix Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D6E8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I'll be there on Saturday instructing at the driver's school. Since the Spitfire's temporarily down, I'll probably work a corner on Sunday. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: FOT Sent: Tue Jun 28 22:54:41 2011 Subject: [Fot] Great Lakes Grand Prix AMICI - anyone racing the Great Lakes Grand Prix at Blackhawk on July 10th? Dennis _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jun 29 06:45:10 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 08:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KCUP shirts and posters finalizing swag project. Message-ID: <8CE0471844AEF0F-203C-2448D@webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com> I have 4 3XL AND 3 2XL Left I owe posters to: Kas Marty Rob Barry Bill D Bob W Tom S anyone else? Posters went with purchase of shirts and John N. sent some of the orders. Not sure if Steve B has a small stack left........ Sorry for the confusion. The demand for swag was underestimated, magic as Laguna is. We will be better prepared for the 10th Running of the Kastner Cup at Road Atlanta. Joe Alexander From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Jun 29 07:24:29 2011 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 06:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <7F90D21B-DB2A-4503-B173-8F6D88F16624@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1309353869.58011.YahooMailClassic@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Duncan: FWIW I had to unstick a piston/liner last month from a 3 motor. After using Liquid wrench, PB Blaster, Kroll, etc. I had about given up and figured I would just break the piston. The gentleman with the shop next to me, who is restoring a '46 Stinson Monoplane wandered over and suggested Coca-Cola! Damn if it didn't work. I let it soak overnight from the top down. I can't vow for other cheaper brands of cola :O) -Ed- --- On Tue, 6/28/11, Duncan Charlton wrote: From: Duncan Charlton Subject: Re: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons To: "fot" Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 8:31 PM If sodium hydroxide reacts to a lesser degree with cast iron -- less damage is always better! I don't recall (too many years ago) what prompted me to use muriatic acid (hydrochloric) to remove aluminum piston smears from a cast iron jug on an air cooled motorcycle engine that had suffered a seizure. I knew that aluminum reacts vigorously with hydrochloric acid and have read that iron oxide is removed commercially with hydrochloric acid. Perhaps the expected limited dwell time (the aluminum layer was not very thick) led me not to be concerned about damage to the cast iron cylinder. The aluminum fizzed and dissolved very quickly with no visible sign of reaction with bare cast iron. There might be some concern about acid remaining embedded in the iron grain structure, causing future oxidation, but perhaps there is not much to worry about if the engine is going to be bored -- and the acid will remove rust from the cylinder. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 28, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Robert Johns wrote: > Duncan has suggested using Muriatic Acid to free the pistons. Most all acids > will eat into the iron of the block. I suggest to use Sodium Hydroxide ( Lye) > instead. It will not eat into the iron and will dissolve the aluminum. I > have salvaged many two cycle cylinders and small engine cranks with aluminum > con rods, that had the aluminum welded to the steel or plated surface, > usually due to insufficient oil. The aluminum comes off clean and all you > need to do is to smooth up the cylinder surface or crank pin. The warmer the > affected surfaces, the faster the chemical reaction. Make sure us use good > rubber gloves and a chemical mask. > Bob Johns > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From jkhagen at charter.net Wed Jun 29 07:39:44 2011 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 09:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Great Lakes Grand Prix Message-ID: <7334655e.12d98b.130dba077e3.Webtop.45@charter.net> Hi Dennis--There is also BIR SCCA/VSCR race that weekend-John Hagen On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > AMICI - anyone racing the Great Lakes Grand Prix at Blackhawk on July > 10th? > > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Wed Jun 29 08:10:12 2011 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:10:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <1309353869.58011.YahooMailClassic@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7F90D21B-DB2A-4503-B173-8F6D88F16624@gmail.com> <1309353869.58011.YahooMailClassic@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001f01cc3666$430d2200$c9276600$@rr.com> Just think, people actually drink that stuff! I remember seeing it totally dissolve a mussel shell in a glass of it overnight when I was a kid. Scared me away from it! Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 9:24 AM To: fot; Duncan Charlton Subject: Re: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons Duncan: FWIW I had to unstick a piston/liner last month from a 3 motor. After using Liquid wrench, PB Blaster, Kroll, etc. I had about given up and figured I would just break the piston. The gentleman with the shop next to me, who is restoring a '46 Stinson Monoplane wandered over and suggested Coca-Cola! Damn if it didn't work. I let it soak overnight from the top down. I can't vow for other cheaper brands of cola :O) -Ed- --- On Tue, 6/28/11, Duncan Charlton wrote: From: Duncan Charlton Subject: Re: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons To: "fot" Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 8:31 PM If sodium hydroxide reacts to a lesser degree with cast iron -- less damage is always better! I don't recall (too many years ago) what prompted me to use muriatic acid (hydrochloric) to remove aluminum piston smears from a cast iron jug on an air cooled motorcycle engine that had suffered a seizure. I knew that aluminum reacts vigorously with hydrochloric acid and have read that iron oxide is removed commercially with hydrochloric acid. Perhaps the expected limited dwell time (the aluminum layer was not very thick) led me not to be concerned about damage to the cast iron cylinder. The aluminum fizzed and dissolved very quickly with no visible sign of reaction with bare cast iron. There might be some concern about acid remaining embedded in the iron grain structure, causing future oxidation, but perhaps there is not much to worry about if the engine is going to be bored -- and the acid will remove rust from the cylinder. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 28, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Robert Johns wrote: > Duncan has suggested using Muriatic Acid to free the pistons. Most all acids > will eat into the iron of the block. I suggest to use Sodium Hydroxide ( Lye) > instead. It will not eat into the iron and will dissolve the aluminum. I > have salvaged many two cycle cylinders and small engine cranks with aluminum > con rods, that had the aluminum welded to the steel or plated surface, > usually due to insufficient oil. The aluminum comes off clean and all you > need to do is to smooth up the cylinder surface or crank pin. The warmer the > affected surfaces, the faster the chemical reaction. Make sure us use good > rubber gloves and a chemical mask. > Bob Johns > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Jun 29 08:51:09 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:51:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Timing References: <545731679.315592.1309321610714.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Gary, The 69 TR6 has a little more complex distributor than what you're describing. It had a vacuum advance and a vacuum retard on the distributor and a system that operated the vacuum retard attached to the carbs. It also makes a difference where you connect your vacuum pipes. Some carbs have 2 places to connect for vacuum. I've attached a page from The Roadster Factory blue book showing the vacuum pipes etc. I guess what I'm trying to tell you is if you don't have this system, which you probably don't because everyone took it off, you have to use a later spec to set the timing of your car. The later spec I believe used a quite different way of timing. Anyway, you need to understand which distributor you have and vacuum system and set the timing accordingly. Hope this helps. http://www.zeni.net/trf/TR6bluebook/51.php Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:26 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 Timing > I've followed the recent series of emails on ignition timing for a TR6. > I'd > like to ask for some opinions on a related issue. I have a 1969 TR6 with > triple Stromberg carb setup, Lucas distributor with Pertronix and vacuum > advance. Currently, timing is set at 4 degrees ATDC at 800 rpm with the > vacuum > advance attached which is spec. The engine idles smoothly with good > acceleration. However, the engine seems to warm up almost too quickly > according to the water temp gauge and runs a bit warm. New temp sensor and > another gauge made no difference in the readings. If I warm the car up > then > pull the vacuum line to the distributor there is no difference in idle > speed > and using a timing light, the engine revs freely to about 24 degrees BTDC > (vacuum advance does not work). Attaching the vacuum line and the readings > are > the same plus I can see the vacuum advance mechanism on the distributor > working when the throttle is blipped. I'm wondering if the vacuum advance > is > working correctly and if the engine timing is too far retarded resulting > in > the engine running warm while out cruising. Any thoughts? Thanks. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 10:28:03 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 09:28:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Article in SCD Message-ID: Sent this out to the drivers and known attendees but thought it might have general interest with a nice article in Sports Car Digest. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "John Nikas" Date: Jun 28, 2011 4:41 PM Subject: LSR Invitational by HMSA 2011  Photo Gallery To: "Joseph Alexander" , "Alec Mac Arthur" < amacarthur3 at socal.rr.com>, "Tony Drews" , "Casey Annis" , "Paul and Sally Smock" , "John and Tami Frymark" , "Samuel Halkias" < atr6racer at hotmail.com>, "Dennis DeLap" , "Henry Frye" , "Irv Korey" , "Robert Johns" , "Steven Belfer" , "Frank Daley" *LSR Invitational by HMSA 2011  Photo Gallery* RACE CARS | SPORTS CAR DIGEST - THE SPORTS, RACING AND VINTAGE CAR ... | JUNE 28, 2011 http://www.sportscardigest.com/lsr-invitational-hmsa-2011-photo-gallery/ Photos by Dennis Gray and Connor Vandagriff The Historic Motors Sports Association (HMSA) held the LSR Invitational event at ... read more --- Shared via Pulse, a great news reader for iPad, iPhone and Android. http://www.pulsene.ws From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jun 29 11:13:16 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:13:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Timing In-Reply-To: <545731679.315592.1309321610714.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <545731679.315592.1309321610714.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <013b01cc367f$d6fd4210$84f7c630$@rr.com> > Currently, timing is set at 4 degrees ATDC at 800 rpm with the > vacuum advance attached which is spec. IMO first you need to establish whether you actually have an advance module, or a retard module. Then discover whether the port on the carburetor is for advance or retard. (Since you said disconnecting the line does nothing at idle, most likely it is an advance port.) The 4 ATDC spec applies only when the retard is present and active. Otherwise you should be using the 'static' number, which ISTR was 10 BTDC for 69. Or, since your motor is somewhat modified, advance the initial timing in small steps until you can just force the engine to ping, then back off by 2 degrees or so. -- Randall From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jun 29 11:26:49 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:26:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <7F90D21B-DB2A-4503-B173-8F6D88F16624@gmail.com> Message-ID: <29DE37F0FEE44BD4A6859933E8961C66@gdhs.local> Hydrochloric works fine on nicksil or chrom cyl....doesn't hurt them one bit..... John H. 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I knew that aluminum reacts vigorously with hydrochloric acid and have read that iron oxide is removed commercially with hydrochloric acid. Perhaps the expected limited dwell time (the aluminum layer was not very thick) led me not to be concerned about damage to the cast iron cylinder. The aluminum fizzed and dissolved very quickly with no visible sign of reaction with bare cast iron. There might be some concern about acid remaining embedded in the iron grain structure, causing future oxidation, but perhaps there is not much to worry about if the engine is going to be bored -- and the acid will remove rust from the cylinder. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 28, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Robert Johns wrote: > Duncan has suggested using Muriatic Acid to free the pistons. Most > all acids > will eat into the iron of the block. I suggest to use Sodium > Hydroxide ( Lye) > instead. It will not eat into the iron and will dissolve the > aluminum. I have salvaged many two cycle cylinders and small engine > cranks with aluminum > con rods, that had the aluminum welded to the steel or plated surface, > usually due to insufficient oil. The aluminum comes off clean and all you > need to do is to smooth up the cylinder surface or crank pin. The warmer the > affected surfaces, the faster the chemical reaction. Make sure us use > good rubber gloves and a chemical mask. Bob Johns > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From billb at bnj.com Wed Jun 29 17:10:40 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:10:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> BBFH. BB stands for Big, Big and H stands for Hammer. On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Ken Suhre wrote: > Tim, If you are not saving the pistons and have the crankshaft out of the > block, why not set the block in a hydrolic press? Then place a suitable size > thick piece of steel on top of the piston and press them out. I have a feeling > they will move rather easily since you have been soaking them with penatrant. > > Ken Suhre > > Tim wrote: Has anyone tried >> to free stuck pistons out of an >> old motor. >> I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting >> with >> the head off for >> at least 15 years. >> >> Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out >> pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and >> PB Blaster for several days, then >> tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. >> Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and >> pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't >> seem to weep past the >> rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times >> with a >> propane torch. >> That hasn't helped much either. >> >> I have the motor on a stand and alternate >> soaking it from the top or bottom >> every free days. I understand much patience >> is required. Eventually I may have >> to use brute force and bust the out. Not >> a big deal since the block will need to >> bored out. But at this point I'm >> still hopeful that they can be removed intact. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Tim >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From triosan at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 17:57:52 2011 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:57:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> References: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> Message-ID: F stands for "Forceful" of course :) . Probably A BBFPress would work better. On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > BBFH. BB stands for Big, Big and H stands for Hammer. > On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Ken Suhre wrote: > > > Tim, If you are not saving the pistons and have the crankshaft out of the > > block, why not set the block in a hydrolic press? Then place a suitable > size > > thick piece of steel on top of the piston and press them out. I have a > feeling > > they will move rather easily since you have been soaking them with > penatrant. > > > > Ken Suhre > > > > Tim wrote: Has anyone tried > >> to free stuck pistons out of an > >> old motor. > >> I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting > >> with > >> the head off for > >> at least 15 years. > >> > >> Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out > >> pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and > >> PB Blaster for several days, then > >> tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. > >> Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and > >> pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't > >> seem to weep past the > >> rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times > >> with a > >> propane torch. > >> That hasn't helped much either. > >> > >> I have the motor on a stand and alternate > >> soaking it from the top or bottom > >> every free days. I understand much patience > >> is required. Eventually I may have > >> to use brute force and bust the out. Not > >> a big deal since the block will need to > >> bored out. But at this point I'm > >> still hopeful that they can be removed intact. > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tim > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From bownes at seiri.com Wed Jun 29 18:00:54 2011 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 20:00:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> References: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <76CA8C9A-D1FF-4591-8D38-D011AC0C16E2@seiri.com> Last time I had to do this, like Bill, I used a BFH. The pistons came out in chunks. On Jun 29, 2011, at 19:10, Bill Babcock wrote: > BBFH. BB stands for Big, Big and H stands for Hammer. > On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Ken Suhre wrote: > >> Tim, If you are not saving the pistons and have the crankshaft out of the >> block, why not set the block in a hydrolic press? Then place a suitable > size >> thick piece of steel on top of the piston and press them out. I have a > feeling >> they will move rather easily since you have been soaking them with > penatrant. >> >> Ken Suhre >> >> Tim wrote: Has anyone tried >>> to free stuck pistons out of an >>> old motor. >>> I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting >>> with >>> the head off for >>> at least 15 years. >>> >>> Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out >>> pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and >>> PB Blaster for several days, then >>> tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. >>> Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and >>> pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't >>> seem to weep past the >>> rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times >>> with a >>> propane torch. >>> That hasn't helped much either. >>> >>> I have the motor on a stand and alternate >>> soaking it from the top or bottom >>> every free days. I understand much patience >>> is required. Eventually I may have >>> to use brute force and bust the out. Not >>> a big deal since the block will need to >>> bored out. But at this point I'm >>> still hopeful that they can be removed intact. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Tim >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From kaskas at cox.net Wed Jun 29 18:03:54 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:03:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> References: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> Message-ID: It is just amazing how much you can move with a BIG hammer and a short block of wood if you don't have that press handy. You buy the biggest hammer you can find and after thos job you'll still have the hammer for furture work on fine equipment. Never be beaten by equipment > From: billb at bnj.com > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:10:40 -0700 > To: kenandtweety at yahoo.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons > > BBFH. BB stands for Big, Big and H stands for Hammer. > On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Ken Suhre wrote: > > > Tim, If you are not saving the pistons and have the crankshaft out of the > > block, why not set the block in a hydrolic press? Then place a suitable > size > > thick piece of steel on top of the piston and press them out. I have a > feeling > > they will move rather easily since you have been soaking them with > penatrant. > > > > Ken Suhre > > > > Tim wrote: Has anyone tried > >> to free stuck pistons out of an > >> old motor. > >> I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting > >> with > >> the head off for > >> at least 15 years. > >> > >> Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out > >> pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and > >> PB Blaster for several days, then > >> tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. > >> Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and > >> pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't > >> seem to weep past the > >> rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times > >> with a > >> propane torch. > >> That hasn't helped much either. > >> > >> I have the motor on a stand and alternate > >> soaking it from the top or bottom > >> every free days. I understand much patience > >> is required. Eventually I may have > >> to use brute force and bust the out. Not > >> a big deal since the block will need to > >> bored out. But at this point I'm > >> still hopeful that they can be removed intact. > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tim > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Wed Jun 29 18:23:05 2011 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Colortune spark plugs Message-ID: <1309393385.73010.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Is anybody using Colortune spark plugs to any advantage? Jim in Folsom, CA From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jun 29 18:51:45 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 20:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: References: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <8CE04D704F4A963-222C-787@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> Our first race car was a Saab V-4 SONNET. It had been through two floods and the engine was seized. Solidly. Big hammer and short piece of two by four was employed. Engine was rebuilt with original pistons, beat upon with said hammer, and we ran it for a year. You do what you gotta do..... Last report was that it was transplanted into a wife's car and was still running. The SONNET ran with Sean and Mark at Blackhawk, as it is still on the track with the buyer, who turned out to be a great friend. -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner To: billb ; kenandtweety Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:23 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons It is just amazing how much you can move with a BIG hammer and a short block of wood if you don't have that press handy. You buy the biggest hammer you can find and after thos job you'll still have the hammer for furture work on fine equipment. Never be beaten by equipment > From: billb at bnj.com > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:10:40 -0700 > To: kenandtweety at yahoo.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons > > BBFH. BB stands for Big, Big and H stands for Hammer. > On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Ken Suhre wrote: > > > Tim, If you are not saving the pistons and have the crankshaft out of the > > block, why not set the block in a hydrolic press? Then place a suitable > size > > thick piece of steel on top of the piston and press them out. I have a > feeling > > they will move rather easily since you have been soaking them with > penatrant. > > > > Ken Suhre > > > > Tim wrote: Has anyone tried > >> to free stuck pistons out of an > >> old motor. > >> I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting > >> with > >> the head off for > >> at least 15 years. > >> > >> Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out > >> pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and > >> PB Blaster for several days, then > >> tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. > >> Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and > >> pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't > >> seem to weep past the > >> rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times > >> with a > >> propane torch. > >> That hasn't helped much either. > >> > >> I have the motor on a stand and alternate > >> soaking it from the top or bottom > >> every free days. I understand much patience > >> is required. Eventually I may have > >> to use brute force and bust the out. Not > >> a big deal since the block will need to > >> bored out. But at this point I'm > >> still hopeful that they can be removed intact. > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tim > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Jun 29 19:50:19 2011 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 19:50:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: References: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <2AE8BC21-87C8-48DC-8A3D-7C9F434157EE@earthlink.net> Thanks for jarring the memory... '43 Ford military jeep. Sold it to a friend - stuck engine and all. A couple days later he had it on a lift with the pan off and a long 2"x4" on a bottle jack. Jacked that piston enough to push the Jeep close to the ceiling. So he chained it down and jacked it up some more. About the same time as the frame started to bend I finally started telling him not to kill the poor little thing. Got him to put it on the ground and a couple whacks with a wood block and BFH did what thousands of pounds of pressure would not. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jun 29, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > It is just amazing how much you can move with a BIG hammer and a > short block > of wood if you don't have that press handy. You buy the biggest > hammer you can > find and after thos job you'll still have the hammer for furture > work on fine > equipment. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: billb at bnj.com >> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:10:40 -0700 >> To: kenandtweety at yahoo.com >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons >> >> BBFH. BB stands for Big, Big and H stands for Hammer. >> On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Ken Suhre wrote: >> >>> Tim, If you are not saving the pistons and have the crankshaft >>> out of the >>> block, why not set the block in a hydrolic press? Then place a >>> suitable >> size >>> thick piece of steel on top of the piston and press them out. I >>> have a >> feeling >>> they will move rather easily since you have been soaking them with >> penatrant. >>> >>> Ken Suhre >>> >>> Tim wrote: Has anyone tried >>>> to free stuck pistons out of an >>>> old motor. >>>> I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting >>>> with >>>> the head off for >>>> at least 15 years. >>>> >>>> Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out >>>> pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and >>>> PB Blaster for several days, then >>>> tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. >>>> Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and >>>> pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't >>>> seem to weep past the >>>> rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times >>>> with a >>>> propane torch. >>>> That hasn't helped much either. >>>> >>>> I have the motor on a stand and alternate >>>> soaking it from the top or bottom >>>> every free days. I understand much patience >>>> is required. Eventually I may have >>>> to use brute force and bust the out. Not >>>> a big deal since the block will need to >>>> bored out. But at this point I'm >>>> still hopeful that they can be removed intact. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Tim >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From billb at bnj.com Wed Jun 29 22:57:02 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:57:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Colortune spark plugs In-Reply-To: <1309393385.73010.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1309393385.73010.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <94AA09F4-C57B-430D-8A44-02902823F03C@bnj.com> they're kind of a bad joke, surprised they're still around. I tried them in the late 70s to no particular benefit. Problem is they're only to be used around idle, and setting the mixture at idle is the least difficult and smallest value part of tuning. On Jun 29, 2011, at 5:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > Is anybody using Colortune spark plugs to any advantage? Jim in Folsom, CA > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From billb at bnj.com Wed Jun 29 23:04:53 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 22:04:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <2AE8BC21-87C8-48DC-8A3D-7C9F434157EE@earthlink.net> References: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> <2AE8BC21-87C8-48DC-8A3D-7C9F434157EE@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <192CD748-F2D3-479D-859A-828AD6C6AA85@bnj.com> Yep, I wasn't kidding. I raced a '76 Yamaha 360 at the 1977 Riverside Grand Prix. Stuck it right away in practice so I didn't even know which way the course went (1/3 road race, 1/3 flat track, 1/3 motocross). Beat the piston out of the cylinder with a chunk of wood and a hammer. Sanded the seize marks off the piston, cleaned the aluminum out of the barrel with battery acid, freed up the ring, went two sizes bigger on the main jet and dumped a little extra oil in the gas. Finished third, in part because I didn't know where a scary dropoff was and went off it full throttle and lived. figured if if worked the first time it would work a second. Passed dozens of people coming into that drop. Sometimes ignorance is fast. On Jun 29, 2011, at 6:50 PM, Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: > Thanks for jarring the memory... > '43 Ford military jeep. Sold it to a friend - stuck engine and all. A couple days later he had it on a lift with the pan off and a long 2"x4" on a bottle jack. Jacked that piston enough to push the Jeep close to the ceiling. So he chained it down and jacked it up some more. About the same time as the frame started to bend I finally started telling him not to kill the poor little thing. Got him to put it on the ground and a couple whacks with a wood block and BFH did what thousands of pounds of pressure would not. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Jun 29, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > >> It is just amazing how much you can move with a BIG hammer and a short block >> of wood if you don't have that press handy. You buy the biggest hammer you can >> find and after thos job you'll still have the hammer for furture work on fine >> equipment. From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 06:37:45 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 07:37:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Colortune spark plugs In-Reply-To: <94AA09F4-C57B-430D-8A44-02902823F03C@bnj.com> References: <1309393385.73010.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <94AA09F4-C57B-430D-8A44-02902823F03C@bnj.com> Message-ID: I had gone to a local guy who advertises his prowess in working on British cars, in hopes that he might have a selection of SU needles (now, exactly how many years has it been since a production car was sold in the US with SU's?). Plus he has a British accent = knowledge about British cars, right? He insisted on quizzing me about how I knew that the mixture was rich, so at first I thought perhaps he knew his stuff, but when he insisted that the ONLY way to know if an engine was running rich was to use Colortune, I tuned HIM out and vowed never to return. I had a disturbing mental vision of my darling wife strapped to the left front fender watching for combustion color while I did full-throttle runs to redline. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 29, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > they're kind of a bad joke, surprised they're still around. I tried them in > the late 70s to no particular benefit. Problem is they're only to be used > around idle, and setting the mixture at idle is the least difficult and > smallest value part of tuning. > > On Jun 29, 2011, at 5:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > >> Is anybody using Colortune spark plugs to any advantage? Jim in Folsom, CA >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Jun 30 09:15:49 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:15:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Colortune spark plugs In-Reply-To: References: <1309393385.73010.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <94AA09F4-C57B-430D-8A44-02902823F03C@bnj.com> Message-ID: Duncan Let me guess, he wasn't as "Handy" with Old English Jaguars as one might expect? I have lots of needles. Bob Kramer Southern Construction Inventory Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:38 AM To: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Colortune spark plugs I had gone to a local guy who advertises his prowess in working on British cars, in hopes that he might have a selection of SU needles (now, exactly how many years has it been since a production car was sold in the US with SU's?). Plus he has a British accent = knowledge about British cars, right? He insisted on quizzing me about how I knew that the mixture was rich, so at first I thought perhaps he knew his stuff, but when he insisted that the ONLY way to know if an engine was running rich was to use Colortune, I tuned HIM out and vowed never to return. I had a disturbing mental vision of my darling wife strapped to the left front fender watching for combustion color while I did full-throttle runs to redline. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 29, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > they're kind of a bad joke, surprised they're still around. I tried them in > the late 70s to no particular benefit. Problem is they're only to be used > around idle, and setting the mixture at idle is the least difficult and > smallest value part of tuning. > > On Jun 29, 2011, at 5:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > >> Is anybody using Colortune spark plugs to any advantage? Jim in Folsom, CA >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 12:40:25 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:40:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Colortune spark plugs References: Message-ID: <27E9715E-9A0D-4E32-AC1F-9EA61961C795@gmail.com> > You got it -- to put it kindly, I was unimpressed. He was very quick to bark up the wrong tree. > > (I found needles from Joe Curto, but thanks for the offer). > > Duncan > > On Jun 30, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > >> Duncan Let me guess, he wasn't as "Handy" with Old English Jaguars as one might expect? >> >> I have lots of needles. >> >> Bob Kramer >> Southern Construction Inventory Manager >> RDO Equipment Company >> 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 >> 512-687-7422 Office >> 512-657-8526 Cell >> >> >> Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton >> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:38 AM >> To: fot >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Colortune spark plugs >> >> I had gone to a local guy who advertises his prowess in working on British >> cars, in hopes that he might have a selection of SU needles (now, exactly how >> many years has it been since a production car was sold in the US with SU's?). >> Plus he has a British accent = knowledge about British cars, right? >> >> He insisted on quizzing me about how I knew that the mixture was rich, so at >> first I thought perhaps he knew his stuff, but when he insisted that the ONLY >> way to know if an engine was running rich was to use Colortune, I tuned HIM >> out and vowed never to return. I had a disturbing mental vision of my darling >> wife strapped to the left front fender watching for combustion color while I >> did full-throttle runs to redline. >> >> Duncan >> 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red >> >> On Jun 29, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: >> >>> they're kind of a bad joke, surprised they're still around. I tried them in >>> the late 70s to no particular benefit. Problem is they're only to be used >>> around idle, and setting the mixture at idle is the least difficult and >>> smallest value part of tuning. >>> >>> On Jun 29, 2011, at 5:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote: >>> >>>> Is anybody using Colortune spark plugs to any advantage? Jim in Folsom, >> CA >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From billb at bnj.com Thu Jun 30 13:16:42 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:16:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Colortune spark plugs In-Reply-To: <27E9715E-9A0D-4E32-AC1F-9EA61961C795@gmail.com> References: <27E9715E-9A0D-4E32-AC1F-9EA61961C795@gmail.com> Message-ID: <33BD5C19-316D-46FA-B335-5175A5B0F1DA@bnj.com> I had hoped I could use them on a dyno, but nope, they have an RPM and throttle limitation. Tried it anyway, I don't recommend it. Ruined it. I don't remember if it came apart, seems like it did. On Jun 30, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote: >> You got it -- to put it kindly, I was unimpressed. He was very quick to > bark up the wrong tree. >> >> (I found needles from Joe Curto, but thanks for the offer). >> >> Duncan From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jun 30 18:09:14 2011 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 19:09:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Colortune spark plugs In-Reply-To: <27E9715E-9A0D-4E32-AC1F-9EA61961C795@gmail.com> References: <27E9715E-9A0D-4E32-AC1F-9EA61961C795@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48a39dc3-8bfc-4468-ae69-074f9c616394@blur> greg is looking at crankshaft options. one is custom forged cranks to working eoth chevy rods and forged pistons. do your have any plans fot building a spare engine? I need to and Bob Blake may too. We may get a better price with a group buy. Bob Kramer Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: fot Sent: Thu, Jun 30, 2011 18:40:25 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Colortune spark plugs > You got it -- to put it kindly, I was unimpressed. He was very quick to bark up the wrong tree. > > (I found needles from Joe Curto, but thanks for the offer). > > Duncan > > On Jun 30, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > >> Duncan Let me guess, he wasn't as "Handy" with Old English Jaguars as one might expect? >> >> I have lots of needles. >> >> Bob Kramer >> Southern Construction Inventory Manager >> RDO Equipment Company >> 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 >> 512-687-7422 Office >> 512-657-8526 Cell >> >> >> Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton >> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:38 AM >> To: fot >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Colortune spark plugs >> >> I had gone to a local guy who advertises his prowess in working on British >> cars, in hopes that he might have a selection of SU needles (now, exactly how >> many years has it been since a production car was sold in the US with SU's?). >> Plus he has a British accent = knowledge about British cars, right? >> >> He insisted on quizzing me about how I knew that the mixture was rich, so at >> first I thought perhaps he knew his stuff, but when he insisted that the ONLY >> way to know if an engine was running rich was to use Colortune, I tuned HIM >> out and vowed never to return. I had a disturbing mental vision of my darling >> wife strapped to the left front fender watching for combustion color while I >> did full-throttle runs to redline. >> >> Duncan >> 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red >> >> On Jun 29, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: >> >>> they're kind of a bad joke, surprised they're still around. I tried them in >>> the late 70s to no particular benefit. Problem is they're only to be used >>> around idle, and setting the mixture at idle is the least difficult and >>> smallest value part of tuning. >>> >>> On Jun 29, 2011, at 5:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote: >>> >>>> Is anybody using Colortune spark plugs to any advantage? Jim in Folsom, >> CA >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Jun 1 01:30:45 2011 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 00:30:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup @ Laguna Seca References: <4DE473B4.7040403@comcast.net> <43500E7F5D3D4EBFAFD226606FA2F761@Charly> Message-ID: Don't worry about track time. Cris does a good job at providing a good race schedule. everyone should have a great time and plenty of track time. See you all there, Greg Solow From keithfiles at btinternet.com Wed Jun 1 04:03:22 2011 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:03:22 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Racing in the Clio Cup in the UK Message-ID: Dear All, Sorry to bomb the list but some of you may know my son Josh and you may even know about his racing successes and ambitions; he has put together a website about his exploits to date and what he wants to do so if you get some free time could you have a look and let us know what you think. The website is www.joshfiles.co.uk Btw, he is still racing the TR6 with me and we are doing a big event late June at Silverstone on the GP circuit and then we are off to Germany in September to take part in the 3 hour race at the Nurburgring Nordschleife that Chris Marx is organising; believe Kas and Peg will be there too. Cheers, Keith. From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jun 1 07:09:05 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 08:09:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup @ Laguna Seca In-Reply-To: <4DE473B4.7040403@comcast.net> References: <4DE473B4.7040403@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20110601080905.rabjs1n68800cgs8@www.tonydrews.com> I received the schedule and tech form via e-mail this morning. 3 sessions on Tuesday and 4! sessions on Wednesday. I did not get an entry list. Our sessions: Tuesday 9:50 am practice 1:30 pm race 3:30 pm race Wednesday 9:30 am practice 11:10 am race 1:15 pm Kastner Cup race 4:15 pm "Trophy" race Tony Drews Quoting Jim Norlin : > Well, I got the trailer prepped today for the long tow to California. > The car's virtually ready. Still waiting to see a schedule and an > entry list. Anyone else seen anything? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Jun 1 09:47:32 2011 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 10:47:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cam Timing Degree Specs In-Reply-To: References: <4DE53BDC.2020807@charter.net> Message-ID: <4DE65F14.3040104@pobox.com> The best way to set up a cam is to use the intake center, i.e. point of highest lift. It should be 110 ATC for this cam. (the average of 18 BTC and 58 ABC). Look at my webpage on degreeing a cam - http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tips_Takes.html There is also a spreadsheet you can download. Richard, the reason for the difference between .007 and .010 is what I call "valve train squish", i.e. the amount of compression in the valve train due to the springs. Integral cams listed the 0.050 specs at 210 also. Larry On 5/31/2011 9:27 PM, Richard Good wrote: > Glenn, > > The timing specs for the late TR6 cam are: > > Intake open 18 deg BTDC, close 58 deg ABDC > Exhaust open 58 deg BBDC, close 18 deg ATDC > > I believe these timing specs are supposed to be point of > opening/closing. If that is the case, with valve clearance spec of > .010" at the valve, the tappet has to move .010" divided by rocker > ratio of 1.45:1 = .007" before the valve starts opening. So you > should be able to time to these specs at .007" of tappet lift. Stock > cams I have checked appear to have this advertised duration at about > .010" tappet lift so you may have to go to .010" to get these timing > points to hold out. > > I have never seen .050" timing specs for the stock cam but the ones I > have checked appear to have about 210 deg duration at .050" so the > timing specs would be: > > Intake open 5 deg ATDC, close 35 deg ABDC > Exhaust open 35 deg BBDC, close 5 deg BTDC > > Regards, > Richard Good > Good Parts Inc. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Glenn Franco" > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 3:05 PM > To: "Friends of triumph" ; <6pack at autox.team.net> > Subject: [Fot] Cam Timing Degree Specs > >> Hi >> I putting a late model 74 TR6 back together after a rebuild. >> I'm attempting to time the cam. This one has no marks on the gears >> since it had been replaced. >> I have the degree wheel set up but I'm having difficulty finding the >> cam specs for a stock TR6 Cam? >> And if found what amount of lift does the specs relate to (.050"??) >> on this engine. >> Can anyone out there point me in the right direction. >> The head has not been installed and I have the degree wheel set and >> the dial indicator taking measurements off the pushrod. >> Thanks in advance >> Glenn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Jun 1 09:51:57 2011 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 10:51:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances In-Reply-To: <20110530180533.85397187660@autox.team.net> References: <20110530180533.85397187660@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4DE6601D.3030200@pobox.com> Jim, Triumph listed cam bearing clearances as 0.0028 to 0.0047 with a wear limit of 0.0059. You probably want to be toward the lose side for racing, but you don't want to bleed off too much oil pressure and starve the rockers. Larry On 5/30/2011 1:03 PM, Jim Gray wrote: > FoT, > > I can't seem to locate much information on TR-4 cam bearings. I'm sure many > would appreciate > > any input on the following topics. I'm seeing some wear on my cam and > bearings that needs to be addressed > > now. > > Questions are as follows; > > What are racing clearances for front bearing. > > What are racing clearances for the other three bearings. > > Does anyone use friction reducing coatings on their cam bearings. > > Cam thrust..any info. > > Cam bearing type& manufacture. > > Any hot tips for cam bearings and overall longevity. > > > > Thanks for the input as always, > > > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From ac at camoletti.ch Wed Jun 1 10:51:49 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 18:51:49 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances In-Reply-To: <4DE6601D.3030200@pobox.com> References: <20110530180533.85397187660@autox.team.net> <4DE6601D.3030200@pobox.com> Message-ID: <006a01cc207c$33d54470$9b7fcd50$@camoletti.ch> Hi Jim! I sent a post about this topic on April 25, asking for comments about influence of these clearances on ignition timing, distributor gear life and valve train lash. Bearing clearance is not mentioned in the Manual (at least in the TR2/3 Manual) and I understand it can be quite important for a proper cam and ignition timing, and these figures are nowhere given or explained. There are different clearances for the front bearing (the one bolted in) and the ones inside the blocked (pressed in, make sure you do not file the slot in the bearings to make ingress easier, they are quite a tight difficult press fit but make the right clearance). Clearance bearing #1= 0.00275'' to 0.0047'', Clearance bearings #2-3-4= .002'' to .0035'' End float min .003'' up to .0075'' I found these figures in David Vizard, Tuning Triumphs over 1300cc, published 1973, page 32 (NLA of course, found it on Amazon marketplace for a price). Vizard recommends to go for the absolute minimum clearance and end float, in order to affect ignition timing as little as possible. Apparently end float clearance has quite an impact on ignition timing. Larry, what about impact on cam timing? Any comment of Mr Kastner about the comp dept practices at the time? Cheers ! Alex Camoletti TR3A 1959 -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Larry Young Envoyi : mercredi 1 juin 2011 17:52 @ : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances Jim, Triumph listed cam bearing clearances as 0.0028 to 0.0047 with a wear limit of 0.0059. You probably want to be toward the lose side for racing, but you don't want to bleed off too much oil pressure and starve the rockers. Larry On 5/30/2011 1:03 PM, Jim Gray wrote: > FoT, > > I can't seem to locate much information on TR-4 cam bearings. I'm sure > many would appreciate > > any input on the following topics. I'm seeing some wear on my cam and > bearings that needs to be addressed > > now. > > Questions are as follows; > > What are racing clearances for front bearing. > > What are racing clearances for the other three bearings. > > Does anyone use friction reducing coatings on their cam bearings. > > Cam thrust..any info. > > Cam bearing type& manufacture. > > Any hot tips for cam bearings and overall longevity. > > > > Thanks for the input as always, > > > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 1 10:56:21 2011 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 12:56:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances In-Reply-To: <4DE6601D.3030200@pobox.com> References: <20110530180533.85397187660@autox.team.net>, <4DE6601D.3030200@pobox.com> Message-ID: > Jim, > Triumph listed cam bearing clearances as 0.0028 to 0.0047 with a wear > limit of 0.0059. You probably want to be toward the lose side for > racing, but you don't want to bleed off too much oil pressure and starve > the rockers. > Larry > I don't know, but I would think that, for racing, you would want to be toward the WIN side. Anon From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jun 1 11:18:09 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 10:18:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances In-Reply-To: <006a01cc207c$33d54470$9b7fcd50$@camoletti.ch> References: <20110530180533.85397187660@autox.team.net><4DE6601D.3030200@pobox.com> <006a01cc207c$33d54470$9b7fcd50$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <01c301cc207f$e1805080$0301a8c0@randall> > I found these figures in David Vizard, Tuning Triumphs over 1300cc, The same figures (pretty close) can be found in the factory TR2/3 workshop manual, page B3 (or page 87 of the Bentley reprint). -- Randall From ac at camoletti.ch Wed Jun 1 11:41:47 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 19:41:47 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances In-Reply-To: <01c301cc207f$e1805080$0301a8c0@randall> References: <20110530180533.85397187660@autox.team.net><4DE6601D.3030200@pobox.com> <006a01cc207c$33d54470$9b7fcd50$@camoletti.ch> <01c301cc207f$e1805080$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <007b01cc2083$2f4de360$8de9aa20$@camoletti.ch> Thank you Randall, I must have been tired when checking out. in fact VIZARD recommends to go for clearances at the lowest end (while for a race engine one would tend to go for the larger clearances), to ensure timing precision -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Randall Envoyi : mercredi 1 juin 2011 19:18 @ : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] TR4 camshaft bearings & clearances > I found these figures in David Vizard, Tuning Triumphs over 1300cc, The same figures (pretty close) can be found in the factory TR2/3 workshop manual, page B3 (or page 87 of the Bentley reprint). -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Wed Jun 1 15:26:07 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:26:07 +1000 Subject: [Fot] re TR6 cam timing specs Message-ID: all triumph factory cams I have seen are symetrical, so you can time it perfectly by getting the exact rock point as shown in the factory manual. the 18/58/58/18 timing is correct for US market cars, but in fact was the stock cam from the T2000 or GT6 model. It years since i've timed a stock triumph cam with no dots, but normally these are cam timing values (not valve timing values), so if thats correct, you need to check the iInlet valve cam follower starts to open 58 BTDC. i have made a lead weighted (filled) follower with a rod sticking out of it to help me do this. Terry From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jun 1 20:51:13 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 21:51:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow schedule? Message-ID: <20110601215113.e4qfmjs5s8g04k4g@www.tonydrews.com> Does anyone have info on the Buttonwillow schedule for this coming weekend? I'm specifically looking for when on Friday registration and tech opens, and when they allow us into the track. Also, is there any place in particular that the TRiumph guys generally set up shop? Thanks, Tony Drews From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jun 2 07:27:23 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:27:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow schedule? Message-ID: <27904.1307021243@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } tech will open at 3pm On Wed 01/06/11 7:51 PM , tony at tonydrews.com sent: Does anyone have info on the Buttonwillow schedule for this coming weekend? I'm specifically looking for when on Friday registration and tech opens, and when they allow us into the track. Also, is there any place in particular that the TRiumph guys generally set up shop? Thanks, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [2] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [3] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [4] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [5] Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com [6] Links: ------ [2] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [3] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jun 2 09:01:51 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 17:01:51 +0200 Subject: [Fot] 6h Spa In-Reply-To: <27904.1307021243@mitchelplumbing.com> References: <27904.1307021243@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <002701cc2136$03b9ca80$0b2d5f80$@com> Found this snippet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VoHk6Z4Hpk&feature=player_embedded Chris From john at race-dogs.com Thu Jun 2 09:42:43 2011 From: john at race-dogs.com (John Wilkins) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:42:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow schedule? In-Reply-To: <20110601215113.e4qfmjs5s8g04k4g@www.tonydrews.com> References: <20110601215113.e4qfmjs5s8g04k4g@www.tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <000b01cc213b$b6bba680$2432f380$@com> Tony- The gate is open all day on Friday and late into the evening- It is open testing on Friday run by the track, you pay BW for testing Friday, no tech required Friday- Tech normally starts at 3:00pm till 6:00pm on Friday and will b by registration- Saturday again at 7:00 am- Those FOT'ers are all welcome- Tentative Schedules are posted at www.vararacing.com under the 2nd tab "event info" - Hope to see you at the track- JW -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tony at tonydrews.com Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 7:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow schedule? Does anyone have info on the Buttonwillow schedule for this coming weekend? I'm specifically looking for when on Friday registration and tech opens, and when they allow us into the track. Also, is there any place in particular that the TRiumph guys generally set up shop? Thanks, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at race-dogs.com -- This message was scanned WACS, Inc. Spam Filters is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=133D9283F1.804DE From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Jun 2 10:07:04 2011 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 12:07:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VARAC/VRG Mosport in 2 weeks Message-ID: <002f01cc213f$1d602c00$58208400$@rr.com> Any of you plan on attending one of the best events in North America? Turn 2 has been described as a religious experience by many! I know Donn Sopp; Bill Rampe; Lee Walsh; Mark Wheatley; and I will be there leaking Triumph oil, well, Lee will have Turner oil seeping. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jun 2 10:35:26 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 12:35:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VARAC/VRG Mosport in 2 weeks In-Reply-To: <002f01cc213f$1d602c00$58208400$@rr.com> References: <002f01cc213f$1d602c00$58208400$@rr.com> Message-ID: Almost ready and yes going wide on 2 with a Shelby on my left was an experience for sure. http://vimeo.com/13035029 See you there Russ. A. On 2 June 2011 12:07, Spitfire Racing wrote: > Any of you plan on attending one of the best events in North America? Turn 2 > has been described as a religious experience by many! > > > > I know Donn Sopp; Bill Rampe; Lee Walsh; Mark Wheatley; and I will be there > leaking Triumph oil, well, Lee will have Turner oil seeping. > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jun 2 11:06:20 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 13:06:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] VARAC/VRG Mosport in 2 weeks Message-ID: In a message dated 06/02/2011 11:44:39 AM Central Daylight Time, andre at gt6.ca writes: > <<< Almost ready and yes going wide on 2 with a Shelby on my left was an > experience for sure. >>> > In spite of having one on one help from Kas available to me my first time at Mosport, I never did get close to getting Mosport Turn TWO right. I was racing our Thunder Bolt, which is RHD, and at my weight, in a left hand, downhill, double apex, off camber, blind corner...I was convinced I was going to roll over even in no traffic. Mosport's Turn TWO is one of road racing's Leaps of Faith. But my favorite at Mosport is coming out of Stirling Moss's corner and going up hill on the back straight. A TR drive train sure shines on that part of the track. I'd sure like to run Mosport again, and especially to get Bob Wismer up there one time. But alas, we'll be at the Blackhawk Vintage Classic, where we've been racing every Father's Day week end for 19 years. When vintage racing first started taking off in the late 1970s there were barely a half dozen events per year. Now it seems like there are a half dozen events each week end. That, dear friends, is one of our problems. Very, very hard for all of them to continue to be successful. Bill Dentinger From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Thu Jun 2 16:07:23 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 08:07:23 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 cam timing specs Message-ID: yes, silly me., typo. inlet begins to open 18 BTDC Terry From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 2 17:54:31 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 17:54:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Message-ID: <4DE822B7.90604@bradakis.com> I'm planning to arrive at the track late monday afternoon. Should I be begging for a crew pass or something like that so I can actually get onto the premises? mjb. From tr6driver at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 06:29:12 2011 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 05:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 superflex lower control bush needed...help? Message-ID: <810479.72409.qm@web114702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> As some of you may know, our TR6 ChumpCar ended up meeting the armco at a higher-than-desired rate of speed at the Charlotte race back in April. We're currently thrashing to create another TR6 Chumper out of the remnants of Lacey and a frame/tub from a team member. One of our few "splurges" on the car the first time around was a set of purple "SuperFlex" poly bushings. We've been able to save all but *one lower control arm bushing* from the wrecked car. Has anyone got a single bushing to sell? We've been trying to find anyone dealing with these in the US to no avail so far...and we'd rather not sub another type, although that is obviously an option. Any suggestions (besides buying a whole set)? Thanks. Remember, this is a truly chumpy car on a truly chumpy budget.... :-) Jamie Palmer tr6driver at yahoo.com Squadron Leader, RiffRAF Racing From limeyv8 at aol.com Fri Jun 3 13:10:17 2011 From: limeyv8 at aol.com (Jack McGahey) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:10:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 superflex lower control bush needed...help? In-Reply-To: <810479.72409.qm@web114702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <810479.72409.qm@web114702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: He means "SuperPro" - the Australian brand Right Jamie? Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Jamie Palmer wrote: > As some of you may know, our TR6 ChumpCar ended up meeting the armco at a > higher-than-desired rate of speed at the Charlotte race back in April. We're > currently thrashing to create another TR6 Chumper out of the remnants of Lacey > and a frame/tub from a team member. One of our few "splurges" on the car the > first time around was a set of purple "SuperFlex" poly bushings. We've been > able to save all but *one lower control arm bushing* from the wrecked car. > Has anyone got a single bushing to sell? We've been trying to find anyone > dealing with these in the US to no avail so far...and we'd rather not sub > another type, although that is obviously an option. > > Any suggestions (besides > buying a whole set)? Thanks. Remember, this is a truly chumpy car on a truly > chumpy budget.... :-) > > Jamie Palmer > tr6driver at yahoo.com > Squadron Leader, > RiffRAF Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From tr6driver at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 13:35:44 2011 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 12:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 superflex lower control bush needed...help? In-Reply-To: References: <810479.72409.qm@web114702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <558518.99915.qm@web114705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Right as usual, Jack. How could I forget that?!?!?! From: Jack McGahey To: Jamie Palmer Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Friday, June 3, 2011 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 superflex lower control bush needed...help? He means "SuperPro" - the Australian brand Right Jamie? Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Jamie Palmer wrote: > As some of you may know, our TR6 ChumpCar ended up meeting the armco at a > higher-than-desired rate of speed at the Charlotte race back in April. We're > currently thrashing to create another TR6 Chumper out of the remnants of Lacey > and a frame/tub from a team member. One of our few "splurges" on the car the > first time around was a set of purple "SuperFlex" poly bushings. We've been > able to save all but *one lower control arm bushing* from the wrecked car. > Has anyone got a single bushing to sell? We've been trying to find anyone > dealing with these in the US to no avail so far...and we'd rather not sub > another type, although that is obviously an option. > > Any suggestions (besides > buying a whole set)? Thanks. Remember, this is a truly chumpy car on a truly > chumpy budget.... :-) > > Jamie Palmer > tr6driver at yahoo.com > Squadron Leader, > RiffRAF Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Fri Jun 3 15:35:59 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 17:35:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] Alternator Retrofit Message-ID: <3f513.ca652b0.3b1aadbf@aol.com> All, Has anyone tried to retrofit a Delco alternator to a GT6? I have a '72 MKIII. The reason I ask is that my rebuilder says that the 15ACR is too small with the air conditioning (factory/dealer) that is installed on the car. The problem is that to make it work I will have to find someone to fabricate a new bracket. The Delco wants to occupy the same place as the solid mount that is on the block. Will something else work? I has to fit the same footprint as the Lucas as the Lucas almost touches the hood strut. Thanks for all your help. Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Jun 3 16:37:08 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:37:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Alternator Retrofit In-Reply-To: <3f513.ca652b0.3b1aadbf@aol.com> References: <3f513.ca652b0.3b1aadbf@aol.com> Message-ID: <060001cc223e$c6b4dbc0$541e9340$@rr.com> > Will something else work? There is a 55 amp Bosch alternator that will fit right into the 15 ACR mounts. It's a bit more expensive than the common Delcos (although Delco does make a similar unit); but my FLAPS had one on the shelf and the cost was only about $75 outright. I see Rockauto has several of them for $50 + shipping. Original equipment on a 78 Ford Fiesta with A/C (and a Bosch alternator, the Motorcraft unit is completely different). Another alternative is to cut into the alternator housing to make it fit. -- Randall From spitlist at cox.net Fri Jun 3 17:01:35 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 16:01:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Alternator Retrofit In-Reply-To: <060001cc223e$c6b4dbc0$541e9340$@rr.com> References: <3f513.ca652b0.3b1aadbf@aol.com> <060001cc223e$c6b4dbc0$541e9340$@rr.com> Message-ID: That is the one I put on my Spit as well. It is not only mount compatible but also plug compatible. And unlike the Delco unit, it is small enough in physical size that it does not look out of place. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 3:37 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Alternator Retrofit > Will something else work? There is a 55 amp Bosch alternator that will fit right into the 15 ACR mounts. It's a bit more expensive than the common Delcos (although Delco does make a similar unit); but my FLAPS had one on the shelf and the cost was only about $75 outright. I see Rockauto has several of them for $50 + shipping. Original equipment on a 78 Ford Fiesta with A/C (and a Bosch alternator, the Motorcraft unit is completely different). Another alternative is to cut into the alternator housing to make it fit. -- Randall triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net Triumphs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Fri Jun 3 17:49:54 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 19:49:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] [TR] Alternator Retrofit Message-ID: <436f6.e12aa22.3b1acd22@aol.com> That is the problem The engine mount wants to exist in the same place the alternator wants to occupy. I guess I should have stated that the alternator supplied is a 105 amp Delco. I guess that I will look at the 65 amp delco and the 55 amp Bosch. Thanks for your help. Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs In a message dated 6/3/2011 5:44:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tr3driver at ca.rr.com writes: > Will something else work? Another alternative is to cut into the alternator housing to make it fit. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From gaf3 at charter.net Sat Jun 4 04:30:30 2011 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 06:30:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cam Timing Degree Specs In-Reply-To: <4DE65F14.3040104@pobox.com> References: <4DE53BDC.2020807@charter.net> <4DE65F14.3040104@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4DEA0946.7060502@charter.net> Thanks to all for the feedback on cam timing specs. The cam checked out at both .010" and .050" lift to the specs you all provided and with the intake at 110 deg ATDC of full lift. Thanks for the Help! Glenn On 6/1/2011 11:47 AM, Larry Young wrote: > The best way to set up a cam is to use the intake center, i.e. point > of highest lift. It should be 110 ATC for this cam. (the average of > 18 BTC and 58 ABC). Look at my webpage on degreeing a cam - > http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tips_Takes.html There is also > a spreadsheet you can download. > > Richard, the reason for the difference between .007 and .010 is what I > call "valve train squish", i.e. the amount of compression in the valve > train due to the springs. Integral cams listed the 0.050 specs at 210 > also. > Larry > > On 5/31/2011 9:27 PM, Richard Good wrote: >> Glenn, >> >> The timing specs for the late TR6 cam are: >> >> Intake open 18 deg BTDC, close 58 deg ABDC >> Exhaust open 58 deg BBDC, close 18 deg ATDC >> >> I believe these timing specs are supposed to be point of >> opening/closing. If that is the case, with valve clearance spec of >> .010" at the valve, the tappet has to move .010" divided by rocker >> ratio of 1.45:1 = .007" before the valve starts opening. So you >> should be able to time to these specs at .007" of tappet lift. Stock >> cams I have checked appear to have this advertised duration at about >> .010" tappet lift so you may have to go to .010" to get these timing >> points to hold out. >> >> I have never seen .050" timing specs for the stock cam but the ones I >> have checked appear to have about 210 deg duration at .050" so the >> timing specs would be: >> >> Intake open 5 deg ATDC, close 35 deg ABDC >> Exhaust open 35 deg BBDC, close 5 deg BTDC >> >> Regards, >> Richard Good >> Good Parts Inc. From andre at gt6.ca Sat Jun 4 21:43:45 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 23:43:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Hood In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can anyone assist Laurent? A. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Laurent Nault Date: 4 June 2011 13:55 Subject: Hood To: andre at gt6.ca Hi Andri I had an accident with my car last week. A 5 tonnes truck back-up into me at a red light. He missed his entry and decide to back-up with out lookig. So I am looking for a hood (bonnet) for my GT6+ 69. Do you know somebody who has one that I can buy? Thanks Laurent GT6+ 69 http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/LarryBMW72/?action=view¤t=P1020410 .jpg http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/LarryBMW72/?action=view¤t=P1020416 .jpg -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sun Jun 5 04:45:14 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 20:45:14 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Re TR6 superflex lower control bush needed Message-ID: if you want the 'super-pro" bushes, i can help as we have a trade account with them, and in fact did all the protype development work with them in 1980's for nearly all the TR bushes. the bush colours used to designate the hardness, but now they make batches of bushes in different colours for various vendors like Chris Witor in UK who sell them under their own brand like "super-flex" Terry From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Jun 5 06:27:49 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 08:27:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Hood In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301cc237b$fc1fe500$f45faf00$@rogers.com> http://www.jaxed.com/cgi-bin/sd.cgi?cat=pts&fil=triumph+gt6&state=&submit=go http://www.searchtempest.com/results.php?location=13669&maxDist=1500®ion_ us=1&search_string=triumph+gt6&keytype=adv&Region=na&cityselect=zip&page=0&s howeb=1&category=8&subcat=pts&minAsk=min&maxAsk=max Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: June 4, 2011 11:44 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Hood Can anyone assist Laurent? A. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Laurent Nault Date: 4 June 2011 13:55 Subject: Hood To: andre at gt6.ca Hi Andri I had an accident with my car last week. A 5 tonnes truck back-up into me at a red light. He missed his entry and decide to back-up with out lookig. So I am looking for a hood (bonnet) for my GT6+ 69. Do you know somebody who has one that I can buy? Thanks Laurent GT6+ 69 http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/LarryBMW72/?action=view¤t=P102041 0 .jpg http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/LarryBMW72/?action=view¤t=P102041 6 .jpg -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Jun 6 07:10:47 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 09:10:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure Message-ID: What are you folks running for fuel pressure on 1-1/4 S.U.'s ? Spitfire application. Thanks, Marty From bownes at seiri.com Mon Jun 6 07:20:13 2011 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 09:20:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Disposing of a TR6 Message-ID: Folks, Figured I'd offer it up to the FOT first. I have a TR6 given to me by a friend for parts. If I can't get rid of it whole, I'm probably going to strip it for the running gear. I'd prefer to see it go whole to someone as a project. It is a 72, dark red, fibreglas fenders on all 4 corners, rusty trailing arm mounts, rust in the inner rear wheel arches. Hurting but recoverable. Located in Troy, N.Y. From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Jun 6 07:34:42 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 09:34:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Disposing of a TR6 Message-ID: <380-22011616133442632@M2W126.mail2web.com> Perfect LeMons car candidate!!! :D Original Message: ----------------- From: robert bownes bownes at seiri.com Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 09:20:13 -0400 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Disposing of a TR6 Folks, Figured I'd offer it up to the FOT first. I have a TR6 given to me by a friend for parts. If I can't get rid of it whole, I'm probably going to strip it for the running gear. I'd prefer to see it go whole to someone as a project. It is a 72, dark red, fibreglas fenders on all 4 corners, rusty trailing arm mounts, rust in the inner rear wheel arches. Hurting but recoverable. Located in Troy, N.Y. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jun 6 07:38:59 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 08:38:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D432@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> My pressure gauge says 5-6 pounds. I always expect it not to work, but it seems to work fine. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:11 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure What are you folks running for fuel pressure on 1-1/4 S.U.'s ? Spitfire application. Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 6 07:50:36 2011 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 06:50:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D432@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D432@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <3F6BA172-627E-4CEE-8E2C-409D23B02914@earthlink.net> 2.5 psi On Jun 6, 2011, at 6:38 AM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > My pressure gauge says 5-6 pounds. I always expect it not to work, but > it seems to work fine. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of marty sukey > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:11 AM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > > What are you folks running for fuel pressure on 1-1/4 S.U.'s ? Spitfire > application. > > Thanks, > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Jun 6 08:17:31 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:17:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure In-Reply-To: <3F6BA172-627E-4CEE-8E2C-409D23B02914@earthlink.net> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D432@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>, <3F6BA172-627E-4CEE-8E2C-409D23B02914@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the feedback Steve, Scott. I am struggling with a very intermittent problem with Evelyn's TR8 that I think might be fuel related. It just randomly shuts down every once in a while, feels like it runs out of gas. Let it sit for 5 minutes and it starts and runs file. Last couple of times it did it was once after 150 miles of driving and once after 250 miles of driving. Prior to that it ran a year after I had replaced the pump with no issues. Recently I replaced the ground wire just in case. Anyhow, the car came with one of those inexpensive chrome pressure regulators with the big round dial. I seem to recall folks having issues with those and was going to replace it with a Holley 12-804 and be able to rule that out as a possible problem source. My Spitfire has the same type of regulator so I was going to replace that one at the same time. Thanks again, Marty > CC: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 06:50:36 -0700 > To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com > > 2.5 psi > > > > > On Jun 6, 2011, at 6:38 AM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > > > My pressure gauge says 5-6 pounds. I always expect it not to work, but > > it seems to work fine. > > > > Scott B. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of marty sukey > > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:11 AM > > To: FOT > > Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > > > > What are you folks running for fuel pressure on 1-1/4 S.U.'s ? Spitfire > > application. > > > > Thanks, > > Marty > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jun 6 08:20:11 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 09:20:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow Message-ID: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } The first stop for some on the way to The Kastner Cup was great, Joe Siam had some very quick Spits at the track, Mordy proved to be very fast as usual, Tony gets the rookie of the year award, and we had some fairly decent weather with a lite shower on Saturday . More to follow I'm sure. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 6 08:31:51 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 16:31:51 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> This is from race two. My first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers Chris From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jun 6 08:46:29 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 09:46:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D432@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>, <3F6BA172-627E-4CEE-8E2C-409D23B02914@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D43E@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I had problems with that style pressure regulator (the inexpensive chrome one with the big round dial). I think others have as well. I replaced it with the Holley, replaced the Facet pump with a Holley Blue, put in a nice Autometer pressure gauge and I've had no problems since - with fuel stuff, anyway :-) I also had trouble with one of those glass in-line fuel filters. I liked it because you could see that you had fuel in the line, but it was REALLY restricting the flow. I was surprised how much it restricted flow. I ran a test, pumping fuel through the lines, eliminating one element at a time, to find my problem. That in-line filter cut flow by more than half, IIRC. Scott From: marty sukey [mailto:trmarty at hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 9:18 AM To: colordog.1 at earthlink.net; Barr, Scott Cc: FOT Subject: RE: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure Thanks for the feedback Steve, Scott. I am struggling with a very intermittent problem with Evelyn's TR8 that I think might be fuel related. It just randomly shuts down every once in a while, feels like it runs out of gas. Let it sit for 5 minutes and it starts and runs file. Last couple of times it did it was once after 150 miles of driving and once after 250 miles of driving. Prior to that it ran a year after I had replaced the pump with no issues. Recently I replaced the ground wire just in case. Anyhow, the car came with one of those inexpensive chrome pressure regulators with the big round dial. I seem to recall folks having issues with those and was going to replace it with a Holley 12-804 and be able to rule that out as a possible problem source. My Spitfire has the same type of regulator so I was going to replace that one at the same time. Thanks again, Marty > CC: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 06:50:36 -0700 > To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com > > 2.5 psi > > > > > On Jun 6, 2011, at 6:38 AM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > > > My pressure gauge says 5-6 pounds. I always expect it not to work, but > > it seems to work fine. > > > > Scott B. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of marty sukey > > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:11 AM > > To: FOT > > Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > > > > What are you folks running for fuel pressure on 1-1/4 S.U.'s ? Spitfire > > application. > > > > Thanks, > > Marty > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 6 08:58:14 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 10:58:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow In-Reply-To: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <8CDF2714C03FB13-1548-3BCBC@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> BUTTONWILLOW was all very cool.... KCUP committee says 28 entries for Laguna. excellent showing. lots of people coming to join us at the track. FOT ROCKS! -----Original Message----- From: Charly To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:20 am Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } The first stop for some on the way to The Kastner Cup was great, Joe Siam had some very quick Spits at the track, Mordy proved to be very fast as usual, Tony gets the rookie of the year award, and we had some fairly decent weather with a lite shower on Saturday . More to follow I'm sure. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jun 6 09:05:15 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:05:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure Message-ID: <13099.1307372715@mitchelplumbing.com> I had a problem similar to that with a TR6 that around town it was fine but once I opened it up on the freeway after about 10 minutes a seemed to run out of gas. I finally tracked it down to a restricted fuel line. If a car sits for a while the condensation in the tank settles to the lowest point, the fuel line and can cause some rust or corrosion to form. I simply ran a wire through the fuel line to break it up and then blew air through it with a chaser of WD40. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } On Mon 06/06/11 7:17 AM , marty sukey trmarty at hotmail.com sent: Thanks for the feedback Steve, Scott. I am struggling with a very intermittent problem with Evelyn's TR8 that I think might be fuel related. It just randomly shuts down every once in a while, feels like it runs out of gas. Let it sit for 5 minutes and it starts and runs file. Last couple of times it did it was once after 150 miles of driving and once after 250 miles of driving. Prior to that it ran a year after I had replaced the pump with no issues. Recently I replaced the ground wire just in case. Anyhow, the car came with one of those inexpensive chrome pressure regulators with the big round dial. I seem to recall folks having issues with those and was going to replace it with a Holley 12-804 and be able to rule that out as a possible problem source. My Spitfire has the same type of regulator so I was going to replace that one at the same time. Thanks again, Marty > CC: trmarty at hotmail.com [1]; fot at autox.team.net [2] > From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net [3] > Subject: Re: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 06:50:36 -0700 > To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com [4] > > 2.5 psi > > > > > On Jun 6, 2011, at 6:38 AM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > > > My pressure gauge says 5-6 pounds. I always expect it not to work, but > > it seems to work fine. > > > > Scott B. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [fot-bounces at autox.team.net [6]] On > > Behalf Of marty sukey > > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:11 AM > > To: FOT > > Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > > > > What are you folks running for fuel pressure on 1-1/4 S.U.'s ? Spitfire > > application. > > > > Thanks, > > Marty > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net [7] > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com [8] > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net [9] > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net [10] _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net [11] http://www.fot-racing.com [12] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [13] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [14] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [15] Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com [16] Links: ------ [1] mailto:trmarty at hotmail.com [2] mailto:fot at autox.team.net [3] mailto:colordog.1 at earthlink.net [4] mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com [5] mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com [6] mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net [7] mailto:fot at autox.team.net [8] mailto:scott.barr at mccarty-law.com [9] mailto:fot at autox.team.net [10] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net [11] mailto:fot at autox.team.net [12] http://www.fot-racing.com [13] http://www.team.net/donate.html [14] http://www.team.net/archive [15] http://www.team.net/forums [16] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Jun 6 10:04:32 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 12:04:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> Message-ID: <000001cc2463$6dd17eb0$49747c10$@rogers.com> Looks like you had him looking for you and not concentrating on his line or speed. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: June 6, 2011 10:32 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. My first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From chasgee at aol.com Mon Jun 6 10:58:33 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 12:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <000001cc2463$6dd17eb0$49747c10$@rogers.com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com><002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> <000001cc2463$6dd17eb0$49747c10$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <8CDF2821AC9F6E4-700-3D59E@webmail-d160.sysops.aol.com> I agree. What happened at the end? Chuck -----Original Message----- From: macdonaldp To: 'MadMarx' ; 'FOT' Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:17 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL Looks like you had him looking for you and not concentrating on his line or peed. -----Original Message----- rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On ehalf Of MadMarx ent: June 6, 2011 10:32 AM o: 'FOT' ubject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. y first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers hris ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 6 11:01:35 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 19:01:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <8CDF2821AC9F6E4-700-3D59E@webmail-d160.sysops.aol.com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com><002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> <000001cc2463$6dd17eb0$49747c10$@rogers.com> <8CDF2821AC9F6E4-700-3D59E@webmail-d160.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004a01cc246b$65a42aa0$30ec7fe0$@com> The engine moved 5mm to the front and ripped off the ignition wire  engine died. Car is still running and Ill try to move the front out and reconstruct it. Chris Von: chasgee at aol.com [mailto:chasgee at aol.com] Gesendet: Montag, 6. Juni 2011 18:59 An: macdonaldp at rogers.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL I agree. What happened at the end? Chuck -----Original Message----- From: macdonaldp To: 'MadMarx' ; 'FOT' Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:17 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL Looks like you had him looking for you and not concentrating on his line or speed. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: June 6, 2011 10:32 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. My first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From PegAndBobM at aol.com Mon Jun 6 11:46:12 2011 From: PegAndBobM at aol.com (PegAndBobM at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 13:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL Message-ID: <525f5.4b62dc6b.3b1e6c64@aol.com> Great video and side by side racing showing each other a lot of respect. Hope you remain friends. __it happens, even in vintage racing. In a message dated 06/06/2011 11:16:38 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, chasgee at aol.com writes: I agree. What happened at the end? Chuck -----Original Message----- From: macdonaldp To: 'MadMarx' ; 'FOT' Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:17 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL Looks like you had him looking for you and not concentrating on his line or peed. -----Original Message----- rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On ehalf Of MadMarx ent: June 6, 2011 10:32 AM o: 'FOT' ubject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. y first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers hris ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pegandbobm at aol.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jun 6 12:08:54 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 14:08:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> Message-ID: <9D1B61AB77F54962A5F838EE65616E63@gdhs.local> While I may be a bit prejudiced in favor of yellow TR3's (see pic attached) He checked up on you....off line and on the brakes again after he had already slowed for the turn. I notice that you have your OD switch on the wheel. How does it work for you when you go from, say, 3rd OD into 4th. Normal? I thought it would be difficult to coordinate switching out of 3OD on the wheel while shifting into 4th. For this reason I mounted a button switch on top of the gear shift ball where all you need do is punch the button as you shift....Must admit; however, sometimes that button gets pushed when I didn't want it pushed! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:32 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. My first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of VIR 2011.JPG] From malaboge at aol.com Mon Jun 6 14:06:25 2011 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 16:06:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> Message-ID: <8CDF29C591EAD63-1310-40EBD@webmail-m169.sysops.aol.com> Chris, Looks to me as though you had the TR3 really worried. He was taking some weird lines to try to keep you behind him! I believe his last ditch trick worked pretty well...he seemed to make you tap him on purpose to get you a little ruffled, and it seemed to work as you weren't all over him and he could take a breather. I know none of us would do such a thing, but I think I read it in a book that "some" drivers have been known to do exactly what he did...just sayin No I didn't...and you can't prove it... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'FOT' Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 7:31 am Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. y first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers hris ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com From riverside at southslope.net Mon Jun 6 14:47:39 2011 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:47:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Weber setup for sale Message-ID: A customer in Illinois called today to offer a TR6 weber setup for sale. I have no financial interest. His e-mail is broadbent.kent at gmail.com art de armond From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Jun 6 16:47:50 2011 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:47:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure References: Message-ID: <92AAE3FE32D142BFA2FD05A74EC77ED5@rocky> 2.5 psi on my HP (nee GP) 1147 Spitfire I run two Holley red fuel pumps that put out 7 psi each -- both running at the same time (from duckfoots in each back corner of the fuel cell) Up front the regulator chokes the flow down to 2.5. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:10 AM Subject: [Fot] S.U. Fuel pressure > What are you folks running for fuel pressure on 1-1/4 S.U.'s ? Spitfire > application. > > Thanks, > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Jun 6 16:56:24 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:56:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC Related - Tow Vehicle Oil Change Issue Message-ID: <4DED5B18.4040500@141.com> Hi gang! This is probably a silly question, but I didn't know if this would be a problem or not and wanted some expert advice. I had the oil changed in our 2002 Dakota today while it was having some other service and they put synthetic in it. To my knowledge, the truck has never had synthetic in it before, and it was not flushed or anything, just had the old oil dumped and the new synthetic put in it. I just got home and saw it on the receipt. Will this be a problem? The truck has approx. 235k miles on it and it has been doing very well. I really don't want to mess it up. Thanks in advance! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Mon Jun 6 17:21:04 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 19:21:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC Related - Tow Vehicle Oil Change Issue Message-ID: <5f592.6ed509e0.3b1ebae0@aol.com> Look for leaks. Other than that I wouldn't expect any problems. Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs In a message dated 6/6/2011 5:58:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, spitfiresuz at 141.com writes: Hi gang! This is probably a silly question, but I didn't know if this would be a problem or not and wanted some expert advice. I had the oil changed in our 2002 Dakota today while it was having some other service and they put synthetic in it. To my knowledge, the truck has never had synthetic in it before, and it was not flushed or anything, just had the old oil dumped and the new synthetic put in it. I just got home and saw it on the receipt. Will this be a problem? The truck has approx. 235k miles on it and it has been doing very well. I really don't want to mess it up. Thanks in advance! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From billb at bnj.com Mon Jun 6 17:43:05 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 16:43:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC Related - Tow Vehicle Oil Change Issue In-Reply-To: <4DED5B18.4040500@141.com> References: <4DED5B18.4040500@141.com> Message-ID: nope On Jun 6, 2011, at 3:56 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > Hi gang! > > This is probably a silly question, but I didn't know if this would be a problem or not and wanted some expert advice. I had the oil changed in our 2002 Dakota today while it was having some other service and they put synthetic in it. To my knowledge, the truck has never had synthetic in it before, and it was not flushed or anything, just had the old oil dumped and the new synthetic put in it. I just got home and saw it on the receipt. > > Will this be a problem? The truck has approx. 235k miles on it and it has been doing very well. I really don't want to mess it up. > > Thanks in advance! > > Keep Triumphing, > Susan :) > > -- > I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 skype: bill.babcockkenalu www.bnj.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Jun 6 18:27:35 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:27:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> Message-ID: <20110607003013.75A74187651@autox.team.net> His fault, he was driving with his mirrors, lost sight of the apex, it happens. Great race though jg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:32 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. My first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From igofaster at att.net Mon Jun 6 18:53:56 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 with SU175's? Message-ID: <906811.18946.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> So I bought a set of SU175's, used, on eBay. They came with the shorter version of the intake manifold which is what I think is 'early' manifold (69-70?) . My 1971 TR6 has the 'deeper' manifold and to make it easier I'm trying to line the SU's up on the deeper version. I'm wondering if the front carb will clear the hood with the dashpot seemingly close to the inner support beam of the hood. Or... does the GT6 intake manifold also line up with the TR6 head? I've got a couple modified intakes that take 175's. The TR6 manifold rises up from the head, the GT6 manifold drops down. Bobby Whitehead From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Mon Jun 6 19:42:51 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 21:42:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 with SU175's? Message-ID: <64ae3.49cc49a5.3b1edc1b@aol.com> Are you talking about ZS175's or HS6 Carbs? Looking at my GT6 everything looks close to the bonnet. I think that is why they put a bolt on the front valve cover mount instead of the usual stud. If in doubt you can mock it all up without gaskets and put some modeling clay on the parts you think you have clearance problems with and then GENTLY lower the bonnet and then raise the bonnet and measure the amount of "squish" to determine the clearance. Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs In a message dated 6/6/2011 7:57:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, igofaster at att.net writes: So I bought a set of SU175's, used, on eBay. They came with the shorter version of the intake manifold which is what I think is 'early' manifold (69-70?) . My 1971 TR6 has the 'deeper' manifold and to make it easier I'm trying to line the SU's up on the deeper version. I'm wondering if the front carb will clear the hood with the dashpot seemingly close to the inner support beam of the hood. Or... does the GT6 intake manifold also line up with the TR6 head? I've got a couple modified intakes that take 175's. The TR6 manifold rises up from the head, the GT6 manifold drops down. Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From goodparts at verizon.net Mon Jun 6 20:16:15 2011 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 22:16:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 with SU175's? In-Reply-To: <906811.18946.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <906811.18946.qm@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006C06E3493042C4AB6CBB7371848FDA@AdminPC> Bobby, The early manifolds were used through 1971 (Vin# CC75000) and have closer port spacing than the later manifolds so they are not interchangeable on the same head. The port spacing is about 1-7/8" vs. 2-3/16". Make sure your manifold matches your head. The wrong one will bolt on and probably seal but will not flow well. I have not heard of any issues with SU HS6's on the stock manifold hitting the hood. GT6 manifolds have the wide port spacing so they can only be used on 1972 or later heads. With the GT6 manifold I am afraid your front air cleaner may interfere with the inner fender. Regards, Richard Good -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bobby Whitehead" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:53 PM To: "FoT Triumph" Subject: [Fot] TR6 with SU175's? > So I bought a set of SU175's, used, on eBay. They came with the shorter > version > of the intake manifold which is what I think is 'early' manifold (69-70?) > . My > 1971 TR6 has the 'deeper' manifold and to make it easier I'm trying to > line the > SU's up on the deeper version. I'm wondering if the front carb will clear > the > hood with the dashpot seemingly close to the inner support beam of the > hood. > Or... does the GT6 intake manifold also line up with the TR6 head? I've > got a > couple modified intakes that take 175's. The TR6 manifold rises up from > the > head, the GT6 manifold drops down. > > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Jun 6 21:48:24 2011 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 22:48:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner Message-ID: <000001cc24c5$c0f6f8b0$42e4ea10$@rr.com> I have started the disassembly of the TR3 to determine what went wrong in May at ECR. Last night after removing the radiator, I flushed it with the garden hose and found enough rust particles to cover the bottom of a jam jar. I use an aluminum radiator so my thinking right now is that these particles must be from the liners. The radiator also has a coating of oily gunk presumable from one of my head gasket failures in past race weekends. So I have two questions for the group: 1) What is a good chemical treatment for flushing oily residue from the alum radiator? 2) Who are the current sources for good quality liners? I am sure I'll have more questions once I pull and disassemble the engine. Thanks, Greg From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jun 7 00:17:33 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 08:17:33 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <8CDF29C591EAD63-1310-40EBD@webmail-m169.sysops.aol.com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> <8CDF29C591EAD63-1310-40EBD@webmail-m169.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000c01cc24da$97c9ff90$c75dfeb0$@com> Hi Nick, I have a G-force readout and speed too of my car. The yellow TR3 and me had lap by lap a cornering speed of 49-50 mph. I hit that car at a speed of 46 mph. So he was much slower at that moment, when he drove into my line. Thats all what I can tell you from my computer datas. Cheers Chris Von: malaboge at aol.com [mailto:malaboge at aol.com] Gesendet: Montag, 6. Juni 2011 22:06 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL Chris, Looks to me as though you had the TR3 really worried. He was taking some weird lines to try to keep you behind him! I believe his last ditch trick worked pretty well...he seemed to make you tap him on purpose to get you a little ruffled, and it seemed to work as you weren't all over him and he could take a breather. I know none of us would do such a thing, but I think I read it in a book that "some" drivers have been known to do exactly what he did...just sayin No I didn't...and you can't prove it... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'FOT' Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 7:31 am Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL This is from race two. My first car to car contact at my race career. I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Jun 7 06:34:25 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 07:34:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner In-Reply-To: <000001cc24c5$c0f6f8b0$42e4ea10$@rr.com> References: <000001cc24c5$c0f6f8b0$42e4ea10$@rr.com> Message-ID: Since we can't run anti-freeze with its anti rust properties rust in the cooling system is common for us. I use water wetter most of the time and it purports to have some rust inhibitors but I still get rust. IMHO the rust is coming from the block, in the cooling areas around the liners. The older the engine the more it attaches to the liners. What I'm saying is I doubt you have a liner problem. The liners are a much higher quality steel than the cast block. Now that you mention it I'd better schedule a cooling system flush. I used to do that all the time. I think Prestone sells both a cooling systm chemical for flushing and an Anti Rust inhibitor. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:48 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner I have started the disassembly of the TR3 to determine what went wrong in May at ECR. Last night after removing the radiator, I flushed it with the garden hose and found enough rust particles to cover the bottom of a jam jar. I use an aluminum radiator so my thinking right now is that these particles must be from the liners. The radiator also has a coating of oily gunk presumable from one of my head gasket failures in past race weekends. So I have two questions for the group: 1) What is a good chemical treatment for flushing oily residue from the alum radiator? 2) Who are the current sources for good quality liners? I am sure I'll have more questions once I pull and disassemble the engine. Thanks, Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From rjl6n at cstone.net Tue Jun 7 07:07:00 2011 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:07:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner In-Reply-To: References: <000001cc24c5$c0f6f8b0$42e4ea10$@rr.com> Message-ID: I have used a mixture of distilled water plus Water Wetter and Prestone Water Pump Lube with Rust Inhibitors. This worked quite well for me. John On Tue, June 7, 2011 8:34 am, Kramer, Robert wrote: > Since we can't run anti-freeze with its anti rust properties rust in the > cooling system is common for us. I use water wetter most of the time and > it > purports to have some rust inhibitors but I still get rust. IMHO the rust > is > coming from the block, in the cooling areas around the liners. The older > the > engine the more it attaches to the liners. What I'm saying is I doubt you > have > a liner problem. The liners are a much higher quality steel than the cast > block. Now that you mention it I'd better schedule a cooling system flush. > I > used to do that all the time. I think Prestone sells both a cooling systm > chemical for flushing and an Anti Rust inhibitor. > > Bob Kramer > Texas Rental Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-687-7422 Office > 512-657-8526 Cell > > > Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things > turn > out. ~John Wooden > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of Greg & Alison Blake > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:48 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner > > I have started the disassembly of the TR3 to determine what went wrong in > May at ECR. Last night after removing the radiator, I flushed it with the > garden hose and found enough rust particles to cover the bottom of a jam > jar. I use an aluminum radiator so my thinking right now is that these > particles must be from the liners. The radiator also has a coating of > oily > gunk presumable from one of my head gasket failures in past race weekends. > So I have two questions for the group: > > > > 1) What is a good chemical treatment for flushing oily residue from > the alum radiator? > > 2) Who are the current sources for good quality liners? > > > > I am sure I'll have more questions once I pull and disassemble the engine. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jun 7 08:05:58 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:05:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC Related - Tow Vehicle Oil Change Issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My 2000 Dakota had 52000 when I bought it 3 yrs ago and the first thing I did was to put Valvoline Syn in it. No flush etc. Now at 105000 it has never missed a beat and doesn't use a drop of oil...... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 7:43 PM To: Susan Kahler Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC Related - Tow Vehicle Oil Change Issue nope On Jun 6, 2011, at 3:56 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > Hi gang! > > This is probably a silly question, but I didn't know if this would be > a problem or not and wanted some expert advice. I had the oil changed in our 2002 Dakota today while it was having some other service and they put synthetic in it. To my knowledge, the truck has never had synthetic in it before, and it was not flushed or anything, just had the old oil dumped and the new synthetic put in it. I just got home and saw it on the receipt. > > Will this be a problem? The truck has approx. 235k miles on it and it > has been doing very well. I really don't want to mess it up. > > Thanks in advance! > > Keep Triumphing, > Susan :) > > -- > I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope, or lost my horse. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 skype: bill.babcockkenalu www.bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Jun 7 09:22:48 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:22:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner In-Reply-To: <000001cc24c5$c0f6f8b0$42e4ea10$@rr.com> References: <000001cc24c5$c0f6f8b0$42e4ea10$@rr.com> Message-ID: <001901cc2526$c388a900$4a99fb00$@com> I used a product called "Sea Foam" to flush out the cooling system on one of my street cars when the head gasket failed and oil was being pumped into the coolant. It worked good, took a couple of flushes, put it in, run it for awhile, flush, do again. It's sold at most automotive stores. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:48 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner I have started the disassembly of the TR3 to determine what went wrong in May at ECR. Last night after removing the radiator, I flushed it with the garden hose and found enough rust particles to cover the bottom of a jam jar. I use an aluminum radiator so my thinking right now is that these particles must be from the liners. The radiator also has a coating of oily gunk presumable from one of my head gasket failures in past race weekends. So I have two questions for the group: 1) What is a good chemical treatment for flushing oily residue from the alum radiator? 2) Who are the current sources for good quality liners? I am sure I'll have more questions once I pull and disassemble the engine. Thanks, Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From jason at multivintage.com Tue Jun 7 11:19:41 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 12:19:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? Message-ID: For those of us wishing we were there... how about ANY kind of updates about how its going out there at our Big Event! In a racing world where certain networks broadcast 6 hours of discussion and analysis about guys and girls driving around in circles, How about someone out there playing Triumph Journalist and giving us some info on our Awesome Triumph Friends? Surely there is some kind of Media Center...stocked with fine aged wines, imported beer, beautiful people and live video feeds of on track action. Couldn't someone sit in there, basking in the air conditioned glory of the Monterrey experience and give us some info on who and what is running and how things are going. I mean this is THE KASTNER CUP for heavens sake. Give us some FOT news Please! Way To Into Triumphs, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jun 7 12:09:20 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 20:09:20 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <001a01cc2527$fafa4640$f0eed2c0$@com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> <001a01cc2527$fafa4640$f0eed2c0$@com> Message-ID: <001c01cc253e$0a3f4360$1ebdca20$@com> During the winter I've installed new gadgets at the suspension, like new front springs, an additionally leaf to the rear spring..... And the result was, I was slow. I was beaten in race 1 by some slower cars: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1882696461188 Overnight from Saturday to Sunday I moved all these gadgets out of my car and returned to the last years setup and it worked as you already seen at my video of race two. What do we learn...never change a well running system ;-) Cheers Chris From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jun 7 13:09:42 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 15:09:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDF35D970C8C00-1058-AEEB@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> it's awesome. i hope the KCUP committee will report tonight. John Nikas surprised us with event shirts....you can contact him for purchase. we likely will have posters left, if there is any interest.....sponsored by Nikas, Belfer, and A.R.E. Front runners 1ST SESSION....TR250K, TR4....MORDY HERALD....JERRY BAKER VITESSE out for the moment..... oil line TR4....PAUL SMOCK rebuilt engine at track after breaking crank at Buttonwillow. This is all very cool. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 12:19 pm Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? For those of us wishing we were there... how about ANY kind of updates about how its going out there at our Big Event! In a racing world where certain networks broadcast 6 hours of discussion and analysis about guys and girls driving around in circles, How about someone out there playing Triumph Journalist and giving us some info on our Awesome Triumph Friends? Surely there is some kind of Media Center...stocked with fine aged wines, imported beer, beautiful people and live video feeds of on track action. Couldn't someone sit in there, basking in the air conditioned glory of the Monterrey experience and give us some info on who and what is running and how things are going. I mean this is THE KASTNER CUP for heavens sake. Give us some FOT news Please! Way To Into Triumphs, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Jun 7 13:11:47 2011 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <001c01cc253e$0a3f4360$1ebdca20$@com> Message-ID: <1183366681.1843924.1307473907762.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Good philosophy that's been around for many years - "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2011 11:09:20 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL During the winter I've installed new gadgets at the suspension, like new front springs, an additionally leaf to the rear spring..... And the result was, I was slow. I was beaten in race 1 by some slower cars: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1882696461188 Overnight from Saturday to Sunday I moved all these gadgets out of my car and returned to the last years setup and it worked as you already seen at my video of race two. What do we learn...never change a well running system ;-) Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintage.racer at comcast.net From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Tue Jun 7 13:39:04 2011 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:39:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net> Second that! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jun 7, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > For those of us wishing we were there... how about ANY kind of > updates about > how its going out there at our Big Event! > In a racing world where certain networks broadcast 6 hours of > discussion and > analysis about guys and girls driving around in circles, How about > someone > out there playing Triumph Journalist and giving us some info on our > Awesome > Triumph Friends? > Surely there is some kind of Media Center...stocked with fine aged > wines, > imported beer, beautiful people and live video feeds of on track > action. > Couldn't someone sit in there, basking in the air conditioned glory of > the Monterrey experience and give us some info on who and what is > running > and how things are going. I mean this is THE KASTNER CUP for > heavens sake. > Give us some FOT news Please! > > Way To Into Triumphs, > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 14:10:30 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:10:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? In-Reply-To: <8CDF35D970C8C00-1058-AEEB@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDF35D970C8C00-1058-AEEB@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Sorry all for the delay. Awesome event with a large turnout. VIPS are all overall the place both TR and non. Ferraris, Birdcage Masers and Astons abound with Can-Am and F1 here too. Tons of good Triumph club folk visiting with great event swag and gourmet lunch buffet. We miss you all and will update when possible. On Jun 7, 2011 12:51 PM, wrote: > it's awesome. > > i hope the KCUP committee will report tonight. > > John Nikas surprised us with event shirts....you can contact him for > purchase. > > we likely will have posters left, if there is any interest.....sponsored by > Nikas, Belfer, and A.R.E. > > Front runners 1ST SESSION....TR250K, TR4....MORDY HERALD....JERRY BAKER > VITESSE out for the moment..... oil line TR4....PAUL SMOCK rebuilt > engine at track after breaking crank at Buttonwillow. This is all very cool. > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Ostrowski > To: triumph friends > Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 12:19 pm > Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? > > > For those of us wishing we were there... how about ANY kind of updates about > how its going out there at our Big Event! > In a racing world where certain networks broadcast 6 hours of discussion and > analysis about guys and girls driving around in circles, How about someone > out there playing Triumph Journalist and giving us some info on our Awesome > Triumph Friends? > Surely there is some kind of Media Center...stocked with fine aged wines, > imported beer, beautiful people and live video feeds of on track action. > Couldn't someone sit in there, basking in the air conditioned glory of > the Monterrey experience and give us some info on who and what is running > and how things are going. I mean this is THE KASTNER CUP for heavens sake. > Give us some FOT news Please! > > Way To Into Triumphs, > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jun 7 15:30:56 2011 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 16:30:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <000c01cc24da$97c9ff90$c75dfeb0$@com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> <8CDF29C591EAD63-1310-40EBD@webmail-m169.sysops.aol.com> <000c01cc24da$97c9ff90$c75dfeb0$@com> Message-ID: <4DEE9890.5070206@pobox.com> I seem to remember a previous video with that TR3 where he was driving dirty. Not what you would expect in vintage racing and especially not from a fellow TR guy. On 6/7/2011 1:17 AM, MadMarx wrote: > Hi Nick, > > > > I have a G-force readout and speed too of my car. > > The yellow TR3 and me had lap by lap a cornering speed of 49-50 mph. > > I hit that car at a speed of 46 mph. So he was much slower at that moment, > when he drove into my line. > > Thats all what I can tell you from my computer datas. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > Von: malaboge at aol.com [mailto:malaboge at aol.com] > Gesendet: Montag, 6. Juni 2011 22:06 > An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL > > > > Chris, > > > > Looks to me as though you had the TR3 really worried. He was taking some > weird lines to try to keep you behind him! I believe his last ditch trick > worked pretty well...he seemed to make you tap him on purpose to get you a > little ruffled, and it seemed to work as you weren't all over him and he > could take a breather. I know none of us would do such a thing, but I think > I read it in a book that "some" drivers have been known to do exactly what > he did...just sayin > > > > No I didn't...and you can't prove it... > > Nick in Nor Cal > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MadMarx > To: 'FOT' > Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 7:31 am > Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL > > This is from race two. > My first car to car contact at my race career. > > I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jun 7 16:15:59 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 00:15:59 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL In-Reply-To: <4DEE9890.5070206@pobox.com> References: <65373.1307370012@mitchelplumbing.com> <002a01cc2456$7c7d5e00$75781a00$@com> <8CDF29C591EAD63-1310-40EBD@webmail-m169.sysops.aol.com> <000c01cc24da$97c9ff90$c75dfeb0$@com> <4DEE9890.5070206@pobox.com> Message-ID: <000601cc2560$7d52d390$77f87ab0$@com> Right - last year at Assen race track I was following him on a full throttle straight with 3 gentle kinks. You can take them all full without any problem. He did brake at one of them. I followed close behind to have profit from his drag and wasn't able to brake so I steered the car off track on the grass to avoid a crash at 110 mph. Have a look at 6:25. https://picasaweb.google.com/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5490849592001845394 After the race I spoke to him but his answer was: "What, did I brake? If I brake then only if I'm too fast for a corner." Same excuse this time....he said that the incident was my fault and I should excuse to him as I have damaged his car and pushed him. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Larry Young Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juni 2011 23:31 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL I seem to remember a previous video with that TR3 where he was driving dirty. Not what you would expect in vintage racing and especially not from a fellow TR guy. On 6/7/2011 1:17 AM, MadMarx wrote: > Hi Nick, > > > > I have a G-force readout and speed too of my car. > > The yellow TR3 and me had lap by lap a cornering speed of 49-50 mph. > > I hit that car at a speed of 46 mph. So he was much slower at that moment, > when he drove into my line. > > Thats all what I can tell you from my computer datas. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > Von: malaboge at aol.com [mailto:malaboge at aol.com] > Gesendet: Montag, 6. Juni 2011 22:06 > An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL > > > > Chris, > > > > Looks to me as though you had the TR3 really worried. He was taking some > weird lines to try to keep you behind him! I believe his last ditch trick > worked pretty well...he seemed to make you tap him on purpose to get you a > little ruffled, and it seemed to work as you weren't all over him and he > could take a breather. I know none of us would do such a thing, but I think > I read it in a book that "some" drivers have been known to do exactly what > he did...just sayin > > > > No I didn't...and you can't prove it... > > Nick in Nor Cal > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MadMarx > To: 'FOT' > Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 7:31 am > Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort / NL > > This is from race two. > My first car to car contact at my race career. > > I don't feel guilty - what is your opinion about it? > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cvgff1cvlc > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From emanteno at comcast.net Tue Jun 7 22:24:04 2011 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 23:24:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? In-Reply-To: References: <8CDF35D970C8C00-1058-AEEB@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:10 PM, John Nikas wrote: > Sorry all for the delay. Awesome event with a large turnout. VIPS are all > overall the place both TR and non. Ferraris, Birdcage Masers and Astons > abound with Can-Am and F1 here too. Tons of good Triumph club folk visiting > with great event swag and gourmet lunch buffet. We miss you all and will > update when possible. Ellie and Hardy Prentice are here with the National Champion TR3 on display. National Champion Sam Halkias is also here, spectating. We had great racing weather today, 60's, mostly sunny, low humidity. For those who like me have never been to Laguna Seca, YOU MUST GET HERE. This place rocks. Some additional tidbits - Tony Garmey continues to amaze in the TR250K. A great car, driven greatly. Mordy Dunst in his TR4 rocket sled is truly dialed in. Paul Smock and the E ticket boys replaced the engine in his TR4 after Paul's crank broke at Buttonwillow. Tony Drews has the biggest smile on his face when he came in after his first session. All of the drivers here for the first time are getting faster and faster, and are really enjoying themselves. John Nikas arranged dinner for all of the FOT plus their families and crew this evening. No one left hungry or thirsty. There have been some mechanical issues, only 1 seems terminal for this event. KAS KASTNER and PEGGY - nothing more needs to be said. I can't wait to go back tomorrow. Irv Korey From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jun 8 00:06:50 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:06:50 +0200 Subject: [Fot] How to make...... In-Reply-To: References: <8CDF35D970C8C00-1058-AEEB@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000f01cc25a2$43502fc0$c9f08f40$@com> Making this stuff in Germany is really boring compared with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWxQmsPG6hY Cheers Chris From SpiwakD at aol.com Wed Jun 8 06:29:20 2011 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:29:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem Message-ID: <39467.265fa3bd.3b20c520@aol.com> I just had all new bearings installed in my TR3 at the local shop. We misread the dipstick marks(new dipstick) and it was low by 1 1/2 qts. I do have a Accusump. I ran two sessions and then pressure dropped to 20 lbs. The rod bearings are dark-colored and spun. The center main is spun also. We didn't remove the other caps yet. The local shop is afraid to put in new bearings because they might have missed something the last time. The crank had been ground and checked for trueness. I hate to take it to an engine builder because I won't see it for six months. I only got a half hour before bearing failure. Does anyone have any thoughts as to what to look for? From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed Jun 8 07:23:50 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:23:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem In-Reply-To: <39467.265fa3bd.3b20c520@aol.com> References: <39467.265fa3bd.3b20c520@aol.com> Message-ID: If they spun then they took metal off the journal. The heat indicates that it was going on for too long, but it all depends on how much metal was relieved. They are likely going to spin again right away. The crank has to come out. I've replaced a spun bearing at the track trying to save weekend and it spun again almost immediately. YMMV. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:29 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem I just had all new bearings installed in my TR3 at the local shop. We misread the dipstick marks(new dipstick) and it was low by 1 1/2 qts. I do have a Accusump. I ran two sessions and then pressure dropped to 20 lbs. The rod bearings are dark-colored and spun. The center main is spun also. We didn't remove the other caps yet. The local shop is afraid to put in new bearings because they might have missed something the last time. The crank had been ground and checked for trueness. I hate to take it to an engine builder because I won't see it for six months. I only got a half hour before bearing failure. Does anyone have any thoughts as to what to look for? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 08:20:12 2011 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 07:20:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? In-Reply-To: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net> References: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com> I'm a Did not show (DNF?) I was planning to be a spectator and got sidelined at the AZ/CA border with a bad alternator and dead battery in the TR3. My hope is to get back on the road about 10AM Wed morning with a newly rebuilt alternator. :( I was looking forward to the races. If there is any way to snag and extra poster please let me know what I need to do to get one. Teriann From gasket.works at gte.net Wed Jun 8 08:28:46 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:28:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? Message-ID: <164541539-1307543327-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-872392864-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Track temp @ 0700 is 51d. Overcast. Air density 96%. Mildly humid. Yesterday fot group... Had a spectacular day despite minor to major mechanicals. Thanks to HMSA / Cris Vandagrif Mazda Raceway for giving us premier pitting area in front of some enormously expensive and rare race cars. Laguna Seca must be one the best venues for drivers anywhere. I can think of other fabulous tracks but, the elevation changes and the large paddock area is hard to beat. Harder for spectators but, there are some super places for viewing. Turns. Midday sun and blue sky with scattered white clouds added to fast race times. I like this track and would come back in a heartbeat. HMSA has given the fot contingent more track time in one day than most weekends combined as well as Lunches provided daily. The kcup group put on a burger bash last night. Perhaps for 80+ people. Cocktail flag up. All the fixings included plus a super desert. Non stop music and festivities. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Jun 8 09:29:17 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 15:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem In-Reply-To: <270442075.972759.1307546643489.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <916611506.973067.1307546957122.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Bearing clearances and oil weight are a couple you can check. Check the remaining main clearances. Some builders use .003 on the rods and mains. Greg Solow uses .0025 - .00275. Do you know what your clearances were ? And what weight oil were you running. I was reading up on different oils and went to the Joe Gibbs site and found some interesting bits. This is the first time I have seen different oil weights matched to bearing clearances. If interested here's the link and some text I cut & pasted from the site. http://www.joegibbsdriven.com/products/syntheticracingoil/xp2.html XP-1 Viscosity typical of SAE 5W-20. V8 engines with clearances under .0025 XP-2 Viscosity typical of SAE 0W-20. Restricted air intake engines and engines with clearances under .0020 XP-3 Viscosity typical of SAE 10W-30. Engines with clearances under .0027 XP-7 Viscosity typical of SAE 10W-40. Designed for clearances under .0030 Jim G ----- Original Message ----- From: SpiwakD at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2011 6:29:20 AM Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem I just had all new bearings installed in my B TR3 at the local shop. We misread the dipstick marks(new B dipstick) and it was low by 1 1/2 qts. I do have a Accusump. I ran two sessions B and then pressure dropped to 20 lbs. The rod bearings are dark-colored and spun. B The center main is spun also. We didn't remove the other caps yet. B The local shop is afraid to put in new bearings because they might have B missed something the last time. The crank had been ground and checked for B trueness. I hate to take it to an engine builder because I won't see it for B six months. I only got a half hour before bearing failure. B Does anyone have any thoughts as to what to look B for? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jun 8 10:08:27 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 12:08:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? In-Reply-To: <4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com> References: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net> <4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CDF40D6FB6B699-34C-160B6@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com> i have posters.....hope alternator works out. joe -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:20 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? I'm a Did not show (DNF?) I was planning to be a spectator and got sidelined at the AZ/CA border with a bad alternator and dead battery in the TR3. My hope is to get back on the road about 10AM Wed morning with a newly rebuilt alternator. :( I was looking forward to the races. If there is any way to snag and extra poster please let me know what I need to do to get one. Teriann _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jun 8 11:00:23 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:00:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] Turner racer looking for help... Message-ID: <33210.fdb5c3d.3b2104a7@aol.com> Amici... A fellow SVRA/VSCDA racer name John Ruth contacted me looking for help with fasteners for TRIUMPH wire wheel adapters. I have zero knowledge concerning wire wheels for TRIUMPHs. Can anyone help him? His request appears below, including his email address (and in the Copy to; box as well). Thanks. Bill Dentinger <<<-Hello Bill Hoping you can help - I have a Turner Mk III that uses a lot of Triumph parts - one part I am trying to get confirmation on is the nuts that hold the knock-off adapter onto the hub. My Turner has special hex nuts that have a conical seat (or bottom ) - the Turners were made with all kinds of other companies components - though I suspect the nuts in question were sourced from Triumph. As mentioned, the Hex nuts are special ones that have a conical bottom to seat onto the hub (after the nut is tightened onto the stud and bears against the hub). I know you race a TR3 and hope you can confirm the type (design) of the special nuts to attach the knock-off extension to the hub. I need to get hold of some new nuts - since 4 of mine parted company with the car! John Ruth (jdruth at att.net) ->>> From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jun 8 11:47:51 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:47:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Turner racer looking for help... In-Reply-To: <33210.fdb5c3d.3b2104a7@aol.com> References: <33210.fdb5c3d.3b2104a7@aol.com> Message-ID: I think The hub nuts he is looking for are on the bottom of this page they should fit all the triumph Hubs they are 7/16. http://www.wirewheelsource.com/JagTriumphHubs.html. hope this helps. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > Amici... > > A fellow SVRA/VSCDA racer name John Ruth contacted me looking for help with > fasteners for TRIUMPH wire wheel adapters. I have zero knowledge > concerning wire wheels for TRIUMPHs. Can anyone help him? His request > appears > below, including his email address (and in the Copy to; box as well). > Thanks. > Bill Dentinger > > <<<-Hello Bill > > Hoping you can help - I have a Turner Mk III that uses a lot of Triumph > parts - one part I am trying to get confirmation on is the nuts that hold > the > knock-off adapter onto the hub. My Turner has special hex nuts that have > a > conical seat (or bottom ) - the Turners were made with all kinds of other > companies components - though I suspect the nuts in question were sourced > from Triumph. As mentioned, the Hex nuts are special ones that have a > conical > bottom to seat onto the hub (after the nut is tightened onto the stud and > bears against the hub). I know you race a TR3 and hope you can confirm the > type (design) of the special nuts to attach the knock-off extension to the > hub. I need to get hold of some new nuts - since 4 of mine parted company > with > the car! John Ruth (jdruth at att.net) ->>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Jun 8 11:52:03 2011 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (jerryvv at roadrunner.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:52:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Turner racer looking for help... In-Reply-To: <33210.fdb5c3d.3b2104a7@aol.com> Message-ID: <20110608175203.FXSYP.231796.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> I would contact The Roadster Factory. Question is are they Big TR size or Spitfire? Maybe the same, don't know that to be true or false. May well be the same as used on MG and AH big and small. I think they will be farly common among the British wire wheel cars using that same adapter. Or call Scott Harper at Team Triumph 330-392-7176 who may well have used nuts if you can identify the thread size. JVV ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > A fellow SVRA/VSCDA racer name John Ruth contacted me looking for help with > fasteners for TRIUMPH wire wheel adapters. I have zero knowledge > concerning wire wheels for TRIUMPHs. Can anyone help him? His request appears > below, including his email address (and in the Copy to; box as well). Thanks. > Bill Dentinger > > <<<-Hello Bill > > Hoping you can help - I have a Turner Mk III that uses a lot of Triumph > parts - one part I am trying to get confirmation on is the nuts that hold the > knock-off adapter onto the hub. My Turner has special hex nuts that have a > conical seat (or bottom ) - the Turners were made with all kinds of other > companies components - though I suspect the nuts in question were sourced > from Triumph. As mentioned, the Hex nuts are special ones that have a conical > bottom to seat onto the hub (after the nut is tightened onto the stud and > bears against the hub). I know you race a TR3 and hope you can confirm the > type (design) of the special nuts to attach the knock-off extension to the > hub. I need to get hold of some new nuts - since 4 of mine parted company with > the car! John Ruth (jdruth at att.net) ->>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jun 8 12:16:42 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 20:16:42 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem In-Reply-To: <39467.265fa3bd.3b20c520@aol.com> References: <39467.265fa3bd.3b20c520@aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01cc2608$38e000e0$aaa002a0$@com> Could it be oil starving? At my engine I run tight rod clearance (0.00118) and lose main bearing clearance (0.0027-0.003) because of crank flexing. I use 10w60 oil. Pressure at 70 psi. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von SpiwakD at aol.com Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. Juni 2011 14:29 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Bearing problem I just had all new bearings installed in my TR3 at the local shop. We misread the dipstick marks(new dipstick) and it was low by 1 1/2 qts. I do have a Accusump. I ran two sessions and then pressure dropped to 20 lbs. The rod bearings are dark-colored and spun. The center main is spun also. We didn't remove the other caps yet. The local shop is afraid to put in new bearings because they might have missed something the last time. The crank had been ground and checked for trueness. I hate to take it to an engine builder because I won't see it for six months. I only got a half hour before bearing failure. Does anyone have any thoughts as to what to look for? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 13:02:46 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:02:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? In-Reply-To: <8CDF40D6FB6B699-34C-160B6@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com> References: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net> <4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com> <8CDF40D6FB6B699-34C-160B6@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Wow! Every triumph race and street car is being staged for a group photo on the corkscrew at lunch with Kas in front. Epic. On Jun 8, 2011 9:35 AM, wrote: > i have posters.....hope alternator works out. > > joe > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:20 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? > > > I'm a Did not show (DNF?) I was planning to be a spectator and got sidelined > at the AZ/CA border with a bad alternator and dead battery in the TR3. My > hope is to get back on the road about 10AM Wed morning with a newly rebuilt > alternator. :( > > I was looking forward to the races. If there is any way to snag and extra > poster please let me know what I need to do to get one. > > Teriann > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jun 8 13:29:49 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:29:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Windsheild Protector Message-ID: Greetings, I'm noticing alot of nics and chips in the original style glass windshield of my GT6 race car. I was wondering if there is some type of coating or film that can be used to prevent this? Has anyone tried something like this or know of a place that can provide this for a tiny car? I've seen things on line things for NASCAR type tear offs...but am thinking of something that might be used for a longer period of time and not multi-layer or tinted. Thanks in advance. Jason Ostrowski Friendly ghost racing From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Jun 8 13:35:34 2011 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:35:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca grid In-Reply-To: References: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net> <4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com> <8CDF40D6FB6B699-34C-160B6@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <96BCF325-6B27-4497-A8D7-54E21C090C66@earthlink.net> Any chance we could get the grid positions for The Race? Top ten maybe? Have a good, safe race all. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jun 8, 2011, at 1:02 PM, John Nikas wrote: > Wow! Every triumph race and street car is being staged for a group > photo on > the corkscrew at lunch with Kas in front. Epic. > On Jun 8, 2011 9:35 AM, wrote: >> i have posters.....hope alternator works out. >> >> joe >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:20 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? >> >> >> I'm a Did not show (DNF?) I was planning to be a spectator and got > sidelined >> at the AZ/CA border with a bad alternator and dead battery in the >> TR3. My >> hope is to get back on the road about 10AM Wed morning with a newly > rebuilt >> alternator. :( >> >> I was looking forward to the races. If there is any way to snag >> and extra >> poster please let me know what I need to do to get one. >> >> Teriann >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Jun 8 14:07:15 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 16:07:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Time to order FLAGS Message-ID: Amici, Time to start ordering. Details 2x3foot size Logo is about 16 inches high 2 grommets Indoor outdoor use Material is great quality I have a proof picture if your interested in seeing it. I made the decision to go single sided. This means the words will be reversed on the back. Price is $15 each. Shipping is included. Deadline to order is august 8, 2011. I will place the order then and they should be sent out to you by mid September. Payments to paypal (SeaCubeCo at aol.com) or check to Chris Bock 3630 Italia Ave Vineland, NJ 08361 Chris From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 15:23:56 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:23:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca grid In-Reply-To: <96BCF325-6B27-4497-A8D7-54E21C090C66@earthlink.net> References: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net> <4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com> <8CDF40D6FB6B699-34C-160B6@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com> <96BCF325-6B27-4497-A8D7-54E21C090C66@earthlink.net> Message-ID: The Kastner Cup went off with the first six of Drews in his 4, Solow in a Morgan , Mitchel in his 6, Barker and his Herald and Doug Sallen in a Morgan. Tony Garmey in the 250K and Mordy started last. By the second lap Garmey had the lead for good with Solow in 2d. Mordy had 3d by the 4th lap and kept it. Charlie pulled into 5th behind Drews who got clipped at the checkered flag by Bill Hart's hard charging Devin. Jerry Barker took 4th in the Herald and received the Cup from Kas who said this was the most competitive cup ever. More news to follow. On Jun 8, 2011 12:35 PM, "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" wrote: > Any chance we could get the grid positions for The Race? Top ten maybe? > Have a good, safe race all. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Jun 8, 2011, at 1:02 PM, John Nikas wrote: > >> Wow! Every triumph race and street car is being staged for a group >> photo on >> the corkscrew at lunch with Kas in front. Epic. >> On Jun 8, 2011 9:35 AM, wrote: >>> i have posters.....hope alternator works out. >>> >>> joe >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:20 am >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Live updates? >>> >>> >>> I'm a Did not show (DNF?) I was planning to be a spectator and got >> sidelined >>> at the AZ/CA border with a bad alternator and dead battery in the >>> TR3. My >>> hope is to get back on the road about 10AM Wed morning with a newly >> rebuilt >>> alternator. :( >>> >>> I was looking forward to the races. If there is any way to snag >>> and extra >>> poster please let me know what I need to do to get one. >>> >>> Teriann >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> lunkercars at earthlink.net From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Jun 8 16:43:50 2011 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 16:43:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kas Cup '11 Message-ID: <31E856CE-5328-4C7B-9718-8C626A4D9832@earthlink.net> Congrats Jerry, That's one fast Herald! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From stutzmans at comcast.net Wed Jun 8 17:18:12 2011 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 19:18:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Turner racer looking for help... In-Reply-To: <33210.fdb5c3d.3b2104a7@aol.com> References: <33210.fdb5c3d.3b2104a7@aol.com> Message-ID: <8979A53B169B463ABADA2D8394EFD222@ComputerPC> >From his description they are the same ones used on TR2-6. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 1:00 PM Subject: [Fot] Turner racer looking for help... > Amici... > > A fellow SVRA/VSCDA racer name John Ruth contacted me looking for help > with > fasteners for TRIUMPH wire wheel adapters. I have zero knowledge > concerning wire wheels for TRIUMPHs. Can anyone help him? His request > appears > below, including his email address (and in the Copy to; box as well). > Thanks. > Bill Dentinger > > <<<-Hello Bill > > Hoping you can help - I have a Turner Mk III that uses a lot of Triumph > parts - one part I am trying to get confirmation on is the nuts that hold > the > knock-off adapter onto the hub. My Turner has special hex nuts that have > a > conical seat (or bottom ) - the Turners were made with all kinds of other > companies components - though I suspect the nuts in question were sourced > from Triumph. As mentioned, the Hex nuts are special ones that have a > conical > bottom to seat onto the hub (after the nut is tightened onto the stud and > bears against the hub). I know you race a TR3 and hope you can confirm > the > type (design) of the special nuts to attach the knock-off extension to the > hub. I need to get hold of some new nuts - since 4 of mine parted company > with > the car! John Ruth (jdruth at att.net) ->>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Wed Jun 8 17:58:47 2011 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 23:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Chip Collinwood Message-ID: <875333361.1445360.1307577527523.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Does anyone have contact info for Chip his restoration shop is in Va.B thanksB B rob From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 21:11:19 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 20:11:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas Cup '11 In-Reply-To: <31E856CE-5328-4C7B-9718-8C626A4D9832@earthlink.net> References: <31E856CE-5328-4C7B-9718-8C626A4D9832@earthlink.net> Message-ID: We really missed all those that couldn't attend this year's event. We had three races with 3 separate trophy presentations and 2 practice sessions and 2 qualifying sessions. Gourmet lunch was provided each day and we had a giant BBQ last night. The racing was more competitive than any prior cup race according to most and the photo with all the cars staged on the corkscrew was a once in a lifetime experience. So many people flew or drove out that we couldn't name them all. It was absolutely wonderful. Thanks to all who made it possible and congratulations to 2011 winner Jerry Barker (former SCCA national champion in a Spitty)! On Jun 8, 2011 4:08 PM, "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" wrote: > Congrats Jerry, > That's one fast Herald! > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From herald948 at aol.com Wed Jun 8 21:21:16 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 23:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca grid In-Reply-To: References: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net><4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com><8CDF40D6FB6B699-34C-160B6@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com><96BCF325-6B27-4497-A8D7-54E21C090C66@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CDF46B6CD1B273-1EB8-412D@webmail-d011.sysops.aol.com> Yeah! Go Heralds...and go Jerry; congratulations! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: John Nikas ...Jerry Barker took 4th in the Herald and received the Cup from Kas who said this was the most competitive cup ever. From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jun 8 22:24:20 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 23:24:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kup 2011 report Message-ID: <20110608232420.uu0qydceisc4c8wk@www.tonydrews.com> Kas Kup 2011 report Drove from Illinois to Buttonwillow CA, made it ahead of time. Beautiful drive! Track was open Friday for test day so got set up in plenty of time. Had the privilege of attending the VARA rookie meeting (2 hours) and wearing rookie stripes on my car for that event. Much fun was had by all. In the Sunday race, all of the white Triumphs were parked by the side of the track. Jerry Barker killed a tranny, Paul Smock broke a (billet crower) crank, and John Frymark ran out of gas. John's was the preferable failure. I was the 2nd TR in the finishing order, I think. Ok track, but I wouldn't go a great distance to drive it again. Stayed overnight in Buttonwillow, drove up to Laguna Seca on Monday. Gorgeous drive. Got to Laguna Seca around 3 pm, and found Jerry changing trannys and they had just finished pulling Paul's engine - lashed to two boards with people lifting (!). I missed the pull by 3 minutes. Darn. :) We were let in and were given primo front row paddock positions. Paul's car was started with new motor with an hour to spare for the morning practice. THAT's not being beaten by equipment! Very impressive. Went out for practice Tuesday morning, and those couple of hundred laps of Laguna on the various game consoles paid off. I knew the layout, just needed to figure out the speeds. WHAT A TRACK!!!! Wow. Had a couple of races later Tuesday. I did pretty well, top 5ish. The 250K, Mordy's bionic TR-4, Greg Solow's bionic Morgan, Jerry Barker's bionic Herald and eventually Bill Hart and his very nice TR Devin were my main competition. All were very well driven. Greg broke a clutch and took the car home for repair. Jerry put in another tranny or two. Wednesday, the first race had me gridded 3rd, but numbers 1 and 2 were no-shows putting me on the pole. I had a great dice with Bill Hart, going side by side through turns 2 and 3 and pulled out a bit of a gap. After several laps, we got a full course caution with pace car due to a car stopped in an impact zone. Bill Hart and Greg Solow were the two cars behind me and I knew I was sunk. Thankfully, we ended under caution and I won. Yeah! The 2nd race was the Kastner Cup race and everyone was there in full force. I was gridded on the pole (!). John gave a nice writeup of the race. It was a great battle. I held off Bill Hart until nearly the end - missed a shift on the last run to the checkered flag. Only shift I missed all weekend. It let him by me by half a car length at the finish. It was a great drive by Bill. I think that put me in 6th. We had a fantastic time playing with each other all weekend. The 3rd race was the "trophy" race. Again, I started on the pole. I was passed by Greg Solow immediately, but he was having grip issues and I passed him back in turn 3. I pulled out a bit of a gap, but he eventually found grip in his tires and drove back by me. Bill Hart finally became one with the track and blew by me, and had a great dice with Greg. Eventually I saw a red car looming in my mirror and assumed it was Mordy. Upon further inspection it was Charlie Mitchell. I held him off for a while, but he eventually got by me. That's the way we finished: Greg, Bill, Charlie and me. The hospitality was great, I'm sore but happy (almost too much track time), and I need a new left rear tire, because I wore it out. The weather for both events was fantastic. The Triumph racers group is the best, I felt very welcome. John Nikas did a fantastic job pulling this together. We had very nice posters and shirts. Laguna Seca rocks. It is one of the top drivers tracks - right up there with Mosport and VIR. I still had things to learn about it, and look forward to trying to learn those another day. Tony Drews From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jun 9 08:16:03 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:16:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Question Message-ID: Looking at the rubber hoses and associated hose clamps in the engine compartment of the Spitty, thinking there has to be a better/safer way. I think the way to go would be SS braided line and AN fittings. Question is, how would you tie into the fuel tubes sticking out of the 1-1/4 S.U.'s? Any advice out there? Thanks, Marty From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu Jun 9 08:46:50 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:46:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] K-Cup winner Message-ID: Congrats to winning the race. I am sorry that I couldn't get out there. Maybe next year I can. A thought I had was if Greg (the winner) doesn't have a grill badge and/or a flag he should be awarded his choice. Since I did the grill badge and am working on the flag I figured I would offer it. What's the thought about it out there? Are the photos hitting the web soon? I can't wait to see them I love this group! From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu Jun 9 08:49:32 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:49:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can use the SS braided lines with hose clamps. There is a cover to mostly hide the hose clamps. I am not sure how to adapt AN fitting to the S.U. Chris On Jun 9, 2011, at 10:16 AM, marty sukey wrote: > Looking at the rubber hoses and associated hose clamps in the engine > compartment of the Spitty, thinking there has to be a better/safer way. I > think the way to go would be SS braided line and AN fittings. Question is, > how would you tie into the fuel tubes sticking out of the 1-1/4 S.U.'s? Any > advice out there? > > Thanks, > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From malaboge at aol.com Thu Jun 9 09:36:01 2011 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 11:36:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDF4D2123299D9-1EFC-7C172@webmail-d169.sysops.aol.com> Marty, The tubes in the float bowl tops are pressed in...and yes I have seen them come adrift!. Take a pair-o-pliers and wiggle them out (no sweat if they break off anyway). Carefully drill and tap the openings for 1/8" pipe. Order up a coupla 1/8" to AN4 fittings and Bob's your uncle. When drilling be sure to go deep enuf to get max threading, then apply something like permatex no1 to the threads and screw them in just past snug...too deep and you'll split the aluminum over the top of the fitting. I zip tie the ss hose to the air horns so that there is no weight on the fittings from the weight of the hose...prolly overkill, but ya never know. Just keepin that gas flowin in Nor Cal... Nick ps wish I coulda been there with you all...was entered but broke it at ThunderHill just prior (was supposed to be my shakedown race) and haven't had the time to delve into it yet... -----Original Message----- From: marty sukey To: FOT Sent: Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:16 am Subject: [Fot] Fuel Line Question Looking at the rubber hoses and associated hose clamps in the engine ompartment of the Spitty, thinking there has to be a better/safer way. I hink the way to go would be SS braided line and AN fittings. Question is, ow would you tie into the fuel tubes sticking out of the 1-1/4 S.U.'s? Any dvice out there? Thanks, arty ______________________________________________ From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net Thu Jun 9 10:27:31 2011 From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 09:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos Message-ID: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> All, I was in the passenger seat of the pace car for one of the races, shooting pictures blindly over my shoulder out the back window. This wasn't exactly easy coming down out of the corkscrew! Hope you enjoy these photos. http://www.flickr.com/photos/14001317 at N02/sets/72157626922991656/ Cheers, Tim Pettenati From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu Jun 9 13:13:25 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:13:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> I love those pics. Anyone out there have more? How about done in car videos? On Jun 9, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Tim Pettenati <1964spitfire at pacbell.net> wrote: > All, > > I was in the passenger seat of the pace car for one of the races, shooting > pictures blindly over my shoulder out the back window. This wasn't exactly easy > coming down out of the corkscrew! Hope you enjoy these photos. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/14001317 at N02/sets/72157626922991656/ > > Cheers, > Tim Pettenati > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 13:50:09 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:50:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> References: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately, Dennis and Joan, Henry and Irv, Joe and Sean et al are all still traveling. As soon as everyone gets back I'm sure we'll have photos and video galore. On Jun 9, 2011 12:43 PM, "Christopher Bock" wrote: > I love those pics. Anyone out there have more? How about done in car videos? > > > On Jun 9, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Tim Pettenati <1964spitfire at pacbell.net> wrote: > >> All, >> >> I was in the passenger seat of the pace car for one of the races, shooting >> pictures blindly over my shoulder out the back window. This wasn't exactly > easy >> coming down out of the corkscrew! Hope you enjoy these photos. >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14001317 at N02/sets/72157626922991656/ >> >> Cheers, >> Tim Pettenati >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From emanteno at comcast.net Thu Jun 9 14:46:26 2011 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:46:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: References: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:50 PM, John Nikas wrote: > Unfortunately, Dennis and Joan, Henry and Irv, Joe and Sean et al are all > still traveling. As soon as everyone gets back I'm sure we'll have photos > and video galore. > Tony has some in car video, he hasn't had a chance to view it yet to see if it came out okay. He should be home Sunday. I have some pics, but I don't have a website to post them. Awesome, awesome event. Well done, John Nikas. Irv From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 15:06:48 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:06:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: References: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks Irv but gratitude belongs to the Kcup committee of Paul Smock who handled entries, Mordy who fed us, John Frymark who arranged great lodging, Steve Belfer who designed posters, ads and tech stickers and Casey Annis who gave us free pub in Vintage Racecar Journal. It truly takes a village to put on an event like this. On Jun 9, 2011 1:46 PM, "Irv Korey" wrote: > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:50 PM, John Nikas wrote: > >> Unfortunately, Dennis and Joan, Henry and Irv, Joe and Sean et al are all >> still traveling. As soon as everyone gets back I'm sure we'll have photos >> and video galore. >> > > Tony has some in car video, he hasn't had a chance to view it yet to see if > it came out okay. He should be home Sunday. > > I have some pics, but I don't have a website to post them. > > Awesome, awesome event. Well done, John Nikas. > > Irv From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Jun 9 15:20:25 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 21:20:25 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos Message-ID: <202489562-1307654426-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-418799649-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> We have vids .....just have to wait to get them on the weeb. ------Original Message------ From: Christopher Bock Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: Tim Pettenati Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos Sent: Jun 9, 2011 12:13 PM I love those pics. Anyone out there have more? How about done in car videos? On Jun 9, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Tim Pettenati <1964spitfire at pacbell.net> wrote: > All, > > I was in the passenger seat of the pace car for one of the races, shooting > pictures blindly over my shoulder out the back window. This wasn't exactly easy > coming down out of the corkscrew! Hope you enjoy these photos. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/14001317 at N02/sets/72157626922991656/ > > Cheers, > Tim Pettenati > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 15:14:32 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:14:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Swag Message-ID: We have approximately 50 short sleeve T-shirts in various sizes and about 24 long sleeve T-shirts. They look absolutely awesome. We also have a limited number of posters left courtesy of VTR which is IMHO the nicest one ever. It features a list of famous race car drivers who drove Triumphs and depicts a 63 Sebring car racing through the Florida night. The image was printed in Art History in Vintage Racecar and was specially commissioned for this event. It is really impressive and suitable for framing with names like Adamowicz, Hill, Newman, Johns, Rothschild, Halkias, McQueen, Elford et al. Shirts are $20. Orders go through Joe Alexander. From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Jun 9 15:57:38 2011 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 21:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Message-ID: <140547496.1966180.1307656658406.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Event report and photos submitted to Classic Motorsports magazine today which should appear in a future issue. Gary From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Thu Jun 9 17:34:37 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:34:37 EDT Subject: [Fot] Alternator Refit Message-ID: I received my Bosch alternator today and while it looks like it will mount up ok I don't know where to put the wires. Anyone BTDT? Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Thu Jun 9 18:11:27 2011 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:11:27 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Message-ID: <0F4E4914F13445F789AE128C35BF18F6@GEOFFPC> Amici We Triumph enthusiasts in Aus are keen followers of the Kastner Cup races and as Editor of the TSOA NSW magazine TREAD I try to get some info and pix for a article in the mag each year. So if anyone can send me a list of competitors and their cars together with the results and any other details with a pix or two it would be most appreciated and get you guys some "international profile!!" Our own All Triumph race is coming up on June 26 at Wakefield Park Goulburn NSW where we expect to have a record grid of 28 Triumphs. Just like you guys cars come from all over Australia for this annual event Regards Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down under From triosan at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 18:35:45 2011 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 17:35:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <0F4E4914F13445F789AE128C35BF18F6@GEOFFPC> References: <0F4E4914F13445F789AE128C35BF18F6@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: That is cool Geoff. We need to get your pics where we can see them also! The actual race was won by Tony Garmey in the TR250K -- ran away from the field and won by over 30 seconds. Tony Drews claims he missed a shift coming out of the last corner and that allowed Bill Hart in the Devin Triumph to overrcome him for 4th place. Greg Solow in his Mogan proved strong enough to keep Modrdy Dunst an his hot TR4 fromever takingover 2nd. That was a great battle the entire race -- and since Garmey was so far ahead it w3as like for first. By the way, Bill Hart [and the Garmey prepared Devin] have gotten much better and faster. He slowly but surely overcame over a 300 yard lead by Drews so as to be in position to overtake right at the finish line. Charley Nitchell in his TR6 and Jim Frymark in his TR4 had a great battle the entire race -- lots of side by side. Charly told ne he pulled off a pass on about lap 5 of the about 10 lap race entering the corkscrew! Really fun, sure hope to be init next year from the road instead of the fence. Chuck Arnold [who watched, but had no camera or car for this years K cup.] On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: > Amici > We Triumph enthusiasts in Aus are keen followers of the Kastner Cup races > and > as Editor of the TSOA NSW magazine TREAD I try to get some info and pix for > a > article in the mag each year. So if anyone can send me a list of > competitors > and their cars together with the results and any other details with a pix > or > two it would be most appreciated and get you guys some "international > profile!!" > Our own All Triumph race is coming up on June 26 at Wakefield Park Goulburn > NSW where we expect to have a record grid of 28 Triumphs. Just like you > guys > cars come from all over Australia for this annual event > Regards > Geoff Byrne > TR6 Racer Down under > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jun 9 19:10:25 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 21:10:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Alternator Refit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not sure if I have the same "Bosch" alternator as you. Mine has a Bosch sticker on it and a number above a bar code 14824, but it also has ND stamped into the center of the rear cover (Nippon Denso). In any case, its a small 50-55 amp unit I got at Pep Boys. If you google "worldwide alternator 14824" it will take you to an Advance Auto Parts website with a photo of the rear of this alternator, showing the connections. from 5 minutes on the web, it looks like there have been many variations made and sold by ND and Bosch. The threaded stud terminal is wired directly to the battery on my car with a 4 gauge wire, though it should be wired through the kill switch, and there is a three spade connection designed for a plug connector. You only need to connect a wire to one of those from your ignition/power switch. If you think of the spade (male) connectors as forming a "U", with two parallel to each other and one at right angles at the bottom of the U, the ignition switch wire should go to the right hand side of the U. I can send you a photo, but if this set-up matches yours all should be clear. I think the other connectors are for an idiot light and I'm not sure what else. On Jun 9, 2011, at 7:34 PM, TRDOCTOR at aol.com wrote: I received my Bosch alternator today and while it looks like it will mount up ok I don't know where to put the wires. Anyone BTDT? Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From kaskas at cox.net Thu Jun 9 20:11:04 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 02:11:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The Cup race Message-ID: As usual, some folks for some reason fail to remember the parameters of the winner choosing of this cup. It is NOT necessarily the winner of the race. The race counts a lot, but it is foremost to the party that is PERFORMING OUT OF CLASS. The race only counts for about 50% of value in the total. The Mordy Dunst TR-4 at Portland, the Jerry Barker, Herald at Laguna, are samples of this. Keith Files at Topeka TR-4 with a bunch of other very very good TR-4 cars. Chuck Gee and his Spitfire at Utah. Tony Garmey at Watkins Glen TR250K, they were all way out of class with their finish. A few times the apparent obvious person to win failed to finish the race, DNF, and so did the chance of winning this cup. These are examples of my position in the choice. There are more, but be reminded of the idea. Next year at Atlanta will be open season for everyone. The another rule to remember, you are not allowed to win this cup in consecutive years, but there are now several that are outside of that time frame. Looks like an open season. Never be beaten by equipment From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 9 20:20:34 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 20:20:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Home Message-ID: <4DF17F72.5030902@bradakis.com> Made it home. It was a nice trip. Thanks to many of you. mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jun 9 20:18:51 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:18:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP LAGUNA SECA ..SPITFIRE REPORT..TUESDAY Message-ID: <7A26D01DDD6D4FC6B1449C96A9AA4CA9@Bud> Just briefly... There were 5 Spitfires.. by # JIM NORLIN..White Car #3 STAN RINNE.Black Car #5 BUD DELAUER Blue car #21 TOM TURNER..Red Car #43 STEPHAN HARE yellow Car #85 The first race on Tuesday showed very close competition all around..Stan & Jim were having a close battle til' the end..nose to bumper.. Bud & Tom had a great battle with lots of passing...Stephan was chomping at the bit as he moved up on us results STAN..JIM....BUD..TOM..STEPHAN 2nd race tuesday Stan didn't race because of an oil leak... Jim was winner..led by a bunch the whole way Tom, Stephan and Bud had a terrific race.. Bud and Tom were doing lots of passing each other while Stephan methodicaly got closer and closer as Bud and Tom were paying attention to their battle...I dove inside Tom just before the apex to turn #6...Tom held his line and I had to back off, which threw me way off of my line so I understeered to the outside of the track and a tiny bit further(the dirt)..Tom got away..I checked my mirrors, and there was Stephan..right on my ass!..Up the hill..down the hill..into #11..there he is, filling my mirrors...I'd pull away on the long straight...by the time we got back around the track that damn yellow car was again getting ready to 'eat me'..I was just waiting for the starter to give the 1 lap finger...Finally it came..That's the time in a race when all the promises we make to ourselves to not 'break the car' are cast to reckless abandon..Stephan was in my mirror that entire last lap, and gaining, gaining, gaining..turn #11..he's right on me..I out dragged him to the checkered... What a Race! I'd like to add that everyone in All of the Triumphs drove extremely well...I truly felt confident that I was racing with people whom I could trust... (i guess this wasn't such a brief report after all.(:>) Racer bud..spitfire #21 From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Thu Jun 9 20:34:08 2011 From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:34:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Triumph engine and transmission Message-ID: <38BEE8B6A1C848A88BCD006421B59E36@TER2> I am forwarding this message to the list because I thought it might be of interest to one of us. At the moment, I have enough engines and have no need for a transmission. The seller is a good guy with a very interesting Volvo powered Marcos GT. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: Denman Mike To: Solow Greg Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:34 PM Subject: Triumph engine and transmission Hi Greg, I am the guy who owns and drove the Marcos at Thunderhill a couple of weeks ago. At any rate, I have a TR3 engine and transmission that I am going to sale. I have attached pictures of the engine. I don't seem to have a picture of the transmission. I don't really know the history of these items. I bought them as "spare parts" for a TR3 I own. Using the flywheel the engine turns over easily enough. I dropped the pan and the insides are clean and the bearing caps seem to be in the right places as do the rod caps.The rocker shaft is definitely bad. The studs holes in the exhaust manifold are bad. The engine hasn't been run since it was painted Austin Healy green (overspray still in the exhaust ports)The transmission (no overdrive) seems to find all the gears but beyond that I haven't looked at the insides. I would like to get $250 for the pair which is a lot less than I paid for them. I am not interested in buy or selling "junk", therefore I will refund your money if you decide within 2 weeks that you don't want them for any reason. Let me know by email or phone if you have any interest. Tomorrow (Thursday) afternoon I plan on moving them to my aircraft hanger in San Martin to stage them with a lot of other items that i am going to advertise on Craig's list etc. so I would appreciate hearing back before then. Mike Denman 831 661-0875 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpg which had a name of 3m33pa3l35Z55P35R5b2137e0a1bfb1f415a7.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpg which had a name of 3m93pa3o85O25V55Q5b216e2d51cd838f1eda.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpg which had a name of 3nb3kc3pc5O55V45Q0b2185db7f65328c1354.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpg which had a name of 3ne3me3o65O35Q15Z1b21fc007a32aeb119d6.jpg] From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 9 21:50:20 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 21:50:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: References: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> Message-ID: <4DF1947C.2090908@bradakis.com> I'm bummed. My camera died on the trip, it would NOT turn itself on. Fresh batteries did not help. Great trip, but no photos to go with it. mjb. From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jun 9 21:58:18 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 22:58:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Message-ID: <28793.1307678298@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Back home from the haul from Monterey and regrouping and heading to Mission BC tomorow for more racing, 3 events in 9 days, Buttonwillow, Laguna Seca and VRCBC historics. Thanks to all that put on a great event in Monterey, and there were a lot of persons that made this event great. The hospitality was great, the track was great, the racing was great, the comradirie was great and most of all the FoT is great. Now I'm trying to figure how to get my car to Atlanta. Any one got any ideas how to get it down there from the Seattle area? That's about 2800 miles for me. Again, thanks to all that made this happen. And to Kas for creating this legacy. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jun 9 23:25:09 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 00:25:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos Message-ID: <29184.1307683509@mitchelplumbing.com> I have a panoramic shot of the cars in the paddock if someone would like it to post on a website with other Monterey shots for all to see. Charly Mitchel BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } On Thu 09/06/11 8:50 PM , Mark J Bradakis mark at bradakis.com sent: I'm bummed. My camera died on the trip, it would NOT turn itself on. Fresh batteries did not help. Great trip, but no photos to go with it. mjb. _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [2] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [3] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [4] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [5] Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com [6] Links: ------ [2] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [3] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 9 23:33:38 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 23:33:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: <29184.1307683509@mitchelplumbing.com> References: <29184.1307683509@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <4DF1ACB2.7060905@bradakis.com> One could put photos on the Triumph forum at http://www.team.net/forums mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jun 10 00:41:39 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 01:41:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> References: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7FB42BAB-8ACC-4B49-8BCE-BA34C3762358@aol.com> Message-ID: <20110610014139.om52niajusksoco0@www.tonydrews.com> I have in car video from all 3 races on Wednesday. Will take me a while to get it encoded and posted after I make it back home. There were a few go pro cameras out there, one in Mordy's car. Tony Quoting Christopher Bock : > I love those pics. Anyone out there have more? How about done in car videos? > > > On Jun 9, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Tim Pettenati <1964spitfire at pacbell.net> wrote: > >> All, >> >> I was in the passenger seat of the pace car for one of the races, shooting >> pictures blindly over my shoulder out the back window. This wasn't exactly > easy >> coming down out of the corkscrew! Hope you enjoy these photos. >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14001317 at N02/sets/72157626922991656/ >> >> Cheers, >> Tim Pettenati >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From gasket.works at gte.net Fri Jun 10 08:13:07 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:13:07 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca videeo of kcup race Message-ID: <1551862983-1307715189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-388756304-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> I purchased a go pro camera just for this event. The nearly 30 min HD video of the kcup race could be up loaded? Perhaps made less data rich and edited to make it more upload able somehow to somewhere it is 4gig. I'll figure it out. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jun 10 08:32:50 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:32:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Alternator Refit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I know this might be a bit late, but for all who may encounter this problem in the future, DB Electrical in Johnson City TN offers a 50 amp small alternator (4'' x 4.5") with mounting hole centers @5 3/8" under the name of "Denso Chevy Street Rod Race". The other nice thing is that it's a one wire alternator, even I knew how to hook this up! Only costs $74.00. Installed on my TR3A and it works like a charm and no problems with header clearance etc. They have a web cite with pics etc........ John H. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 9:10 PM To: TRDOCTOR at aol.com Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Alternator Refit Not sure if I have the same "Bosch" alternator as you. Mine has a Bosch sticker on it and a number above a bar code 14824, but it also has ND stamped into the center of the rear cover (Nippon Denso). In any case, its a small 50-55 amp unit I got at Pep Boys. If you google "worldwide alternator 14824" it will take you to an Advance Auto Parts website with a photo of the rear of this alternator, showing the connections. from 5 minutes on the web, it looks like there have been many variations made and sold by ND and Bosch. The threaded stud terminal is wired directly to the battery on my car with a 4 gauge wire, though it should be wired through the kill switch, and there is a three spade connection designed for a plug connector. You only need to connect a wire to one of those from your ignition/power switch. If you think of the spade (male) connectors as forming a "U", with two parallel to each other and one at right angles at the bottom of the U, the ignition switch wire should go to the right hand side of the U. I can send you a photo, but if this set-up matches yours all should be clear. I think the other connectors are for an idiot light and I'm not sure what else. On Jun 9, 2011, at 7:34 PM, TRDOCTOR at aol.com wrote: I received my Bosch alternator today and while it looks like it will mount up ok I don't know where to put the wires. Anyone BTDT? Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From andre at gt6.ca Fri Jun 10 08:47:03 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:47:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca videeo of kcup race In-Reply-To: <1551862983-1307715189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-388756304-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <1551862983-1307715189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-388756304-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Try http://vimeo.com/ A. On 10 June 2011 10:13, wrote: > I purchased a go pro camera just for this event. The nearly 30 min HD video of the kcup race could be up loaded? Perhaps made less data rich and edited to make it more upload able somehow to somewhere it is 4gig. I'll figure it out. > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From andre at gt6.ca Fri Jun 10 08:51:20 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:51:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca videeo of kcup race In-Reply-To: References: <1551862983-1307715189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-388756304-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: http://www.squared5.com/ Free software to down convert to a smaller size with limited trimming feature. A. On 10 June 2011 10:47, Andre Rousseau wrote: > Try http://vimeo.com/ > > A. > > On 10 June 2011 10:13, wrote: >> I purchased a go pro camera just for this event. The nearly 30 min HD video of the kcup race could be up loaded? Perhaps made less data rich and edited to make it more upload able somehow to somewhere it is 4gig. I'll figure it out. >> >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca >> >> >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jun 10 09:00:39 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 11:00:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca videeo of kcup race In-Reply-To: <1551862983-1307715189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-388756304-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <823CFB407EFF4D3EA594E7E06D2472B1@gdhs.local> I found that with my GoPro that you have to first convert the MP4 format to a DVD format before you can e-mail the darn things. There are cheep programs on the net that will do this..... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 10:13 AM Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Seca videeo of kcup race I purchased a go pro camera just for this event. The nearly 30 min HD video of the kcup race could be up loaded? Perhaps made less data rich and edited to make it more upload able somehow to somewhere it is 4gig. I'll figure it out. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 10 11:17:37 2011 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk farms fathers day Message-ID: <111016.22587.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone have a crew pass available for the fathers day festivities at blackhawk farms??? Thanks, Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From amacarthur3 at socal.rr.com Fri Jun 10 12:52:01 2011 From: amacarthur3 at socal.rr.com (amacarthur3 at socal.rr.com) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:52:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <20110610185202.UWOAM.146901.root@cdptpa-web13-z02> Thanks for finally getting me in the car,,, my camera was also not working so the only video I have is of my fat face before the race,,, I would have loved to show everyone the battle that was going on with Charlie and John right in front of me... oh well, next time,, Mac From ac at camoletti.ch Fri Jun 10 14:00:26 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:00:26 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Teri Ann Message-ID: <008e01cc27a9$0aa95e90$1ffc1bb0$@camoletti.ch> Maybe I missed the mail telling the end of this episode but did Teri Ann manage to Reach Laguna on time ? Cheers ! Alex Jan 59 3A From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 14:17:30 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:17:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Video sub In-Reply-To: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <268014.63433.qm@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9DC5F9CC-811E-47F7-ADC3-DF18238EE69A@gmail.com> While we're waiting for Kas Cup video to get posted, here's a nicely done roadrunner's level view of the track (and rearview mirror) taken recently from a Mini Cooper. Duncan From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jun 10 15:08:19 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:08:19 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Results sheet Message-ID: If anyone has a result sheet from the Cup race I would greatly appreciate having a copy. Scan and send is just fine if you have the time. We had to leave right after the event and missed taking care of that business. Never be beaten by equipment From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 15:42:33 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:42:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Help in Utah Message-ID: Amici, does anyone happen to live in Park City or close thereto? From jerrybarr at charter.net Fri Jun 10 16:09:17 2011 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:09:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stuck bonnet on a TR250 Message-ID: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> A friend of my grandson has a TR250 and let the bonnet fall closed and now it is stuck closed. Does anyone have an idea how to get it open? Any help will be greatly appreciated. From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jun 10 16:34:29 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:34:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stuck bonnet on a TR250 References: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> Message-ID: <7C4043463754432A92FD584C38FB9D57@Bud> he might be able to budge it free by getting under the car and pushing up on the bonnet with a pole/stick while someone is pulling on the release handle RB. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Barr" To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 3:09 PM Subject: [Fot] Stuck bonnet on a TR250 >A friend of my grandson has a TR250 and let the bonnet fall closed and now >it > is stuck closed. Does anyone have an idea how to get it open? Any help > will be > greatly appreciated. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From jmwagner at tstonramp.com Fri Jun 10 16:38:30 2011 From: jmwagner at tstonramp.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:38:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stuck bonnet on a TR250 In-Reply-To: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> References: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> Message-ID: <00083DA6-A6F5-4601-915D-A9A89ECC38A3@tstonramp.com> This will help.... > http://www.vtr.org/maintain/stuck-bonnet.shtml From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Jun 10 16:39:51 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:39:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stuck bonnet on a TR250 In-Reply-To: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> References: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> Message-ID: <000001cc27bf$503a8130$f0af8390$@com> Is the cable to the release latch broke or does that seem to be working? If the cable seems to be working, try pushing down on the center of the hood right above the latch (the very rear of the hood). Sometimes my TR5 hood release is really tight but after a shove down on the rear of the hood and releasing the hood, the release cable will then unlatch the hood. If the cable is broken, that's another problem!!! There are procedures on the web if I recall correctly as to how to release the hood on the various Triumph's. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Barr Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 5:09 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Stuck bonnet on a TR250 A friend of my grandson has a TR250 and let the bonnet fall closed and now it is stuck closed. Does anyone have an idea how to get it open? Any help will be greatly appreciated. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri Jun 10 17:17:55 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:17:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thanks Message-ID: <4DF2A623.9030408@comcast.net> Patty and I have made it safely back home in Oregon thanks to Mordy and Paul who helped get the motorhome restarted at the end of the weekend. New battery and the long tow home was uneventful, just like you want them. Thanks also to the Spitfire racers, Racer Bud, Tom & Steve for helping get my car fixed in time to make the start of the Kastner Cup race (barely) and to Stan for showing me the way round Laguna Seca. What a great track! Finally thanks to all the organizers and folks that helped make this event great. It was good to reconnect and meet so many Triumph nuts! Jim & Patty Norlin - Spitfire 03 From jerrybarr at charter.net Fri Jun 10 18:07:13 2011 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:07:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stuck bonnet on a TR250 In-Reply-To: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> References: <4A381425-759A-43D7-9058-0289DE0C4822@charter.net> Message-ID: <7D9EE1E0-4A85-45A2-80B6-C48BC21E8AE5@charter.net> Thanks for all the help! We will check the stuck bonnet tomorrow and see what happens. I am a TR3, GT6, Spitfire guy and do not have much experience with TR4-TR250's. Now I have some idea of what I am facing to get it unstuck. On Jun 10, 2011, at 5:09 PM, Jerry Barr wrote: > A friend of my grandson has a TR250 and let the bonnet fall closed and now it > is stuck closed. Does anyone have an idea how to get it open? Any help will be > greatly appreciated. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jun 10 20:16:26 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:16:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Help in Utah In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DF2CFFA.6070009@bradakis.com> John Nikas wrote: > Amici, does anyone happen to live in Park City or close thereto? > Salt Lake City is about half an hour away. You know, I think I am the only FOT guy in Utah. mjb. From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Jun 10 21:47:42 2011 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 23:47:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Message-ID: <774AA234E1EF483EBC697B7F522EE0C8@TRIUMPH.local> OK, as it has already been said, was truly an awesome event. The guys on the west coast REALLY know how to throw a party! The on track action was spectacular, as was the activity with the wrenches in the paddock. Jerry Barker showed he is still has it, and retirement is not going to slow him down on the track. While he and his guys did a couple of gearbox swaps, he made for one hell of a show. A very deserving winner of the Kastner Cup. Congrats Jerry! Tony Garmey made the TR250K fly, as usual. Incredible car, driver, and show. Well done! Bill Hart had his TR powered Devin hauling the mail when it counted on the last sessions of the weekend. Restored my faith in rebodied TR3's for sure. That car was hooked up, and Bill made it look easy. As the only car (I think) to cross the Rockies, Tony Drews made quite a showing in his Red Rocket. Consistantly ran towards the front of the field, and even though he never turned a wheel at Laguna Seca before he did pull of a first overall in one race at the event. Rumor has he won the Rookie of the Year award at Buttonwillow over the past weekend, that's what happens when you make one of our fast guys wear a rookie stripe for an event. Hopefully somebody will figure out what's wrong with this picture! Excellent hospitality, it was great to see old friends and make some new ones. When I get some good pictures, I will post them to the fot-racing.com website. Email me what you have. Stay tuned for information on the 2012 Kastner Cup event, it is going to be big... Henry F yellow04 at tr4racer.com From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jun 10 22:45:53 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:45:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-Reply-To: <774AA234E1EF483EBC697B7F522EE0C8@TRIUMPH.local> References: <774AA234E1EF483EBC697B7F522EE0C8@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <4DF2F301.6030608@bradakis.com> It was indeed a good event. First off I made it there with no loss of life or limbs. I do have scars on my leg from the ill fated attempt to make last year's event. One can't really complain when the major impediment to getting on site was being stuck behind the Chrysler 300 club while they clogged up the entry road. I enjoyed seeing not one but TWO 1147 Spits out on track. Of course they don't command the attention of the fast guys in the trick machinery, but there's a big spot in my heart for such cars. I'd not been to Laguna Seca before, have read about it and the races there for many years. Standing on the bricks on the hill by the Corkscrew looking out over the track and the surrounding area was quite an experience. I'm glad that after I said my goodbyes in the paddock I didn't head home quite yet but went back up to the Corkscrew, eventually getting treated to some nice wine and yet another Triumph race. It was a good trip. mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jun 10 23:36:41 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 00:36:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Results sheet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110611003641.869je4vzks48wg0w@www.tonydrews.com> I found no result sheets for any of Wednesday's activities. I would love copies of results from all 3 races that day. Tony Drews Quoting Kas Kastner : > If anyone has a result sheet from the Cup race I would greatly appreciate > having a copy. Scan and send is just fine if you have the time. We had to > leave right after the event and missed taking care of that business. > > Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sat Jun 11 00:48:35 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 23:48:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Results sheet In-Reply-To: <20110611003641.869je4vzks48wg0w@www.tonydrews.com> References: <20110611003641.869je4vzks48wg0w@www.tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <4DF30FC3.5070706@comcast.net> Patty & I stopped by the registration motorhome after the last race to see if we could get final results. No one home. I heard that results will be posted on HMSA's website. I just looked, it may take a while - the last update was May 23. On 6/10/2011 10:36 PM, tony at tonydrews.com wrote: > I found no result sheets for any of Wednesday's activities. I would > love copies of results from all 3 races that day. > > Tony Drews > > Quoting Kas Kastner : > >> If anyone has a result sheet from the Cup race I would greatly >> appreciate >> having a copy. Scan and send is just fine if you have the time. We >> had to >> leave right after the event and missed taking care of that business. >> >> Never be beaten by equipment >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 11 07:00:43 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:00:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] posters and shirts for laguna seca kastner cup Message-ID: <8CDF64EB4E1E7C5-2298-3E3B@web-mmc-d10.sysops.aol.com> hold that thought....i am still traveling. the shirts were arranged by john nikas the posters were underwritten by A.R.E. and Steve Belfer. complete info on size etc will help. paypal useful. in utah, home sunday, then preparing for blackhawk classic. then put-in-bay race reunion.....time is limited. john nikas also has shirts if i dont have the right size for you. shirts are $20 posters are free shipping and packaging to be determined From gasket.works at gte.net Sat Jun 11 07:58:46 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:58:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Results sheet Message-ID: <1544503727-1307800727-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1555450099-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Hmsa will email the results to me. I will get them to Henry to put on the fot site. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sat Jun 11 08:39:24 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:39:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Results sheet Message-ID: <5008.1307803164@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } I have a couple from Wednesday but not the last race. I'm in Canada racing now, but on Monday I'll send out what I have to anyone who wants them or if there's a place I can send them for all to veiw, I'll send them there. Charly Mitcjel TR6 #44 On Fri 10/06/11 2:08 PM , Kas Kastner kaskas at cox.net sent: If anyone has a result sheet from the Cup race I would greatly appreciate having a copy. Scan and send is just fine if you have the time. We had to leave right after the event and missed taking care of that business. Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [2] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [3] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [4] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [5] Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com [6] Links: ------ [2] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [3] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sat Jun 11 13:31:00 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:31:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Low voltage miss? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D4F7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I'm currently using a distributor with a Pertronix II Ignitor in it. A couple of weekends ago at Blackhawk Farms, the engine developed a miss at 7,000 revs - wouldn't pull beyond 7,000. This is a Spitfire 1296 small-journal motor with Kas' A-10-A cam in it, so I could use some revs beyond 7,000. The battery voltage was low all day - something in the neighborhood of 12 volts. Would voltage at that level cause a Pertronix not to work properly? Seems to me that should be enough volts to make it work fine. The alternator seemed to be putting out plenty of charge, but the battery didn't seem to improve through the day. That was the first race of the year, so I've pulled the battery and given it a full charge off the charger. Will see how well that works out, but may need a new battery, too. This one's 4 years old now. If that doesn't help, I'll have to send my distributor off for testing. Anyway, just wanting to make sure my sparks are in order before I go messing with the farging carburetors... Scott From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sat Jun 11 14:52:03 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:52:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Low voltage miss? In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D4F7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D4F7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <4DF3D573.2090202@comcast.net> Scott I've got the same engine/distributor setup. However, I'm running an A-8 cam, so my power peak is around 7000 where I shift. I can and have run the engine to 7500 on a really long straight and the chassis dyno with no misfire. I do not run an alternator. The battery voltage can run as low as 11.0 if I have not charged the battery for a couple of sessions - again, no miss. I do believe your alternator/voltage regulator may be faulty. Alternator output should be 13.8 to 14.2 volts from my experience. Not sure if this helps. Jim On 6/11/2011 12:31 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > I'm currently using a distributor with a Pertronix II Ignitor in it. A > couple of weekends ago at Blackhawk Farms, the engine developed a miss > at 7,000 revs - wouldn't pull beyond 7,000. This is a Spitfire 1296 > small-journal motor with Kas' A-10-A cam in it, so I could use some revs > beyond 7,000. > > > > The battery voltage was low all day - something in the neighborhood of > 12 volts. Would voltage at that level cause a Pertronix not to work > properly? Seems to me that should be enough volts to make it work fine. > > > > The alternator seemed to be putting out plenty of charge, but the > battery didn't seem to improve through the day. That was the first race > of the year, so I've pulled the battery and given it a full charge off > the charger. Will see how well that works out, but may need a new > battery, too. This one's 4 years old now. > > > > If that doesn't help, I'll have to send my distributor off for testing. > > > > Anyway, just wanting to make sure my sparks are in order before I go > messing with the farging carburetors... > > > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Jun 11 18:35:47 2011 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 00:35:47 GMT Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem Message-ID: <20110611.203547.18046.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> I have been using the Joe Gibbs XP1 oil in my TR3 for a few years with great results. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: SpiwakD at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Bearing problem Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 15:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Bearing clearances and oil weight are a couple you can check. Check the remaining main clearances. Some builders use .003 on the rods and mains. Greg Solow uses .0025 - .00275. Do you know what your clearances were ? And what weight oil were you running. I was reading up on different oils and went to the Joe Gibbs site and found some interesting bits. This is the first time I have seen different oil weights matched to bearing clearances. If interested here's the link and some text I cut & pasted from the site. http://www.joegibbsdriven.com/products/syntheticracingoil/xp2.html XP-1 Viscosity typical of SAE 5W-20. V8 engines with clearances under .0025 XP-2 Viscosity typical of SAE 0W-20. Restricted air intake engines and engines with clearances under .0020 XP-3 Viscosity typical of SAE 10W-30. Engines with clearances under .0027 XP-7 Viscosity typical of SAE 10W-40. Designed for clearances under .0030 Jim G ----- Original Message ----- From: SpiwakD at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2011 6:29:20 AM Subject: [Fot] Bearing problem I just had all new bearings installed in my B TR3 at the local shop. We misread the dipstick marks(new B dipstick) and it was low by 1 1/2 qts. I do have a Accusump. I ran two sessions B and then pressure dropped to 20 lbs. The rod bearings are dark-colored and spun. B The center main is spun also. We didn't remove the other caps yet. B The local shop is afraid to put in new bearings because they might have B missed something the last time. The crank had been ground and checked for B trueness. I hate to take it to an engine builder because I won't see it for B six months. I only got a half hour before bearing failure. B Does anyone have any thoughts as to what to look B for? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Jun 11 18:56:25 2011 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 00:56:25 GMT Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner Message-ID: <20110611.205625.18046.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Until last year I had been using Distilled water in my cooling system and the water was always rusty when I drained the system. Last year I used tap water (city water) and when I drained it in the fall the water was clear. I have seen discussions on other racer forums not to use distilled water. With all the different metals and corrosion cells the distilled water draws ions out (I forget the exact chemistry) and thus draws iron out. Using non-distilled water with various ions in it is not as chemically active and results in less corrosion. Joe(B ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Subject: [Fot] Liners and Alum rad cleaner Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 22:48:24 -0500 I have started the disassembly of the TR3 to determine what went wrong in May at ECR. Last night after removing the radiator, I flushed it with the garden hose and found enough rust particles to cover the bottom of a jam jar. I use an aluminum radiator so my thinking right now is that these particles must be from the liners. The radiator also has a coating of oily gunk presumable from one of my head gasket failures in past race weekends. So I have two questions for the group: 1) What is a good chemical treatment for flushing oily residue from the alum radiator? 2) Who are the current sources for good quality liners? I am sure I'll have more questions once I pull and disassemble the engine. Thanks, Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4df40f1e99b993e8cb3st06duc From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Jun 11 19:00:41 2011 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Low voltage miss? In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D4F7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D4F7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CDF6B3489EA6E1-172C-70B3C@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com> Scott, I would suspect the regulator in your alternator, should show 13 - 14 volts on the meter. At the end of last season I noticed my readings at 11 - 12 volts and finally had to jump start the car to get running. I also noticed I was breaking up at the upper end of my power range ( 6800 - 7000 rpms on fast street cam ). I had the alternator tested and found to be bad so I replaced the regulator and all seems to be running well Car has 1500 engine but not built to full race specs, its being use for autocrossing. Best of Luck, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: FOT Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2011 4:06 pm Subject: [Fot] Low voltage miss? I'm currently using a distributor with a Pertronix II Ignitor in it. A ouple of weekends ago at Blackhawk Farms, the engine developed a miss t 7,000 revs - wouldn't pull beyond 7,000. This is a Spitfire 1296 mall-journal motor with Kas' A-10-A cam in it, so I could use some revs eyond 7,000. The battery voltage was low all day - something in the neighborhood of 2 volts. Would voltage at that level cause a Pertronix not to work roperly? Seems to me that should be enough volts to make it work fine. The alternator seemed to be putting out plenty of charge, but the attery didn't seem to improve through the day. That was the first race f the year, so I've pulled the battery and given it a full charge off he charger. Will see how well that works out, but may need a new attery, too. This one's 4 years old now. If that doesn't help, I'll have to send my distributor off for testing. Anyway, just wanting to make sure my sparks are in order before I go essing with the farging carburetors... Scott ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jun 11 21:44:10 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:44:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Results sheet In-Reply-To: <1544503727-1307800727-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1555450099-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <1544503727-1307800727-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1555450099-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <20110611224410.7kj1kfq3ggg4gcwo@www.tonydrews.com> I'd love to have a way to see results from all 3 races on Wednesday, not just the cup race. Tony D. Quoting gasket.works at gte.net: > Hmsa will email the results to me. I will get them to Henry to put > on the fot site. M > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From gasket.works at gte.net Sat Jun 11 23:32:58 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 05:32:58 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Results sheet Message-ID: <832852463-1307856777-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-659621409-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> I'm told by cris that the results will be email to me Monday. ------Original Message------ From: tony at tonydrews.com To: Gasket works Cc: yellow04 at tr4racer.com Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Results sheet Sent: Jun 11, 2011 8:44 PM I'd love to have a way to see results from all 3 races on Wednesday, not just the cup race. Tony D. Quoting gasket.works at gte.net: > Hmsa will email the results to me. I will get them to Henry to put > on the fot site. M > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sun Jun 12 11:10:14 2011 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 13:10:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The 2012 Kastner Cup Message-ID: <424B1125BC7C422EB77CDBAEB865499C@TRIUMPH.local> Here's the official announcement, the 2012 Kastner Cup race will take place at Road Atlanta, on April 27 -29, 2012 at the Classic Motorsports Mitty. We will be celebrating the 60th anniversary of Triumph on the racetrack, and the 50th year of Spitfire and the 10th Annual Kastner Cup. It's only fitting that Kas Kastner has been tapped to be the event's Grand Marshal. We had one heck of a party in '92 and '02, so as we hit another decade anniversary, we are pulling out the stops. This will be our second opportunity to run a Kastner Cup race at the storied Road Atlanta, a track that should be on everybody's bucket list. Back in '05, Jeff Snook had a spectacular drive from the back of the pack to win his race, and be awarded Kastner Cup. Kas already raised the gauntlet, it's open season. But you can't win the Cup if you are not there! Our good friend and fellow FOT member Tim Suddard will be our host, and his magazine Classic Motorsports is sponsoring the event, so we can rest assured this will be a Triumph-centric event! Plans are forming to have the legions of Triumph enthusiasts in attendance. Mark your calendars now, and stay tuned for more information. Every event is only as good as the volunteers that help make it happen, email me off-list if interested in lending a hand. Henry F yellow04 at tr4racer.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sun Jun 12 11:41:58 2011 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 13:41:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup race results posted Message-ID: On the fot-racing.com website! I'll get to updating the site for the event when I get some decent pictures. Anybody who would like to email me a couple of your best shots from the event for the fot-racing.com website, feel free. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sun Jun 12 16:39:59 2011 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 15:39:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Event Message-ID: <538A408A7B814A1A8B646B09A1440D31@your89d26e0447> It was great putting faces to so many names as well as seeing some of you again. I was very disappointed to miss the Bar-B-Que on Tuesday night, but duty and a broken clutch disc called. Sorry we did not have more time to visit. Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jun 12 19:42:29 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 20:42:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Teri Ann In-Reply-To: <008e01cc27a9$0aa95e90$1ffc1bb0$@camoletti.ch> References: <008e01cc27a9$0aa95e90$1ffc1bb0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <20110613014229.B9895187646@autox.team.net> No, she didn't. Tony At 03:00 PM 6/10/2011, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: >Maybe I missed the mail telling the end of this episode but did Teri Ann >manage to Reach Laguna on time ? > >Cheers ! > >Alex > >Jan 59 3A From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Jun 12 20:31:48 2011 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 21:31:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] stock fuel pump repair Message-ID: <001801cc2972$0bcebb10$236c3130$@rr.com> Street car question for you guys. Has anyone used BPNW fuel pump rebuild kit for currently selling for $14.12? Any reason to go for TRF's kit that sells for $39.94 over the BPNW kit? Thanks, Greg From pettenat at pacbell.net Thu Jun 9 10:25:42 2011 From: pettenat at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 09:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Photos In-Reply-To: <8CDF46B6CD1B273-1EB8-412D@webmail-d011.sysops.aol.com> References: <5D8345A9-69F9-4CC1-A018-1B4C31409D51@earthlink.net><4DEF851C.8080405@gmail.com><8CDF40D6FB6B699-34C-160B6@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com><96BCF325-6B27-4497-A8D7-54E21C090C66@earthlink.net> <8CDF46B6CD1B273-1EB8-412D@webmail-d011.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <110293.66329.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> All, I was in the passenger seat of the pace car for one of the races, shooting pictures blindly over my shoulder out the back window. This wasn't exactly easy coming down out of the corkscrew! Hope you enjoy these photos. http://www.flickr.com/photos/14001317 at N02/sets/72157626922991656/ Cheers, Tim Pettenati From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Thu Jun 9 00:08:39 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 02:08:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kas Kup 2011 report Message-ID: Great write up. Wish I could have been there. Sam In a message dated 6/8/2011 11:40:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tony at tonydrews.com writes: Kas Kup 2011 report Drove from Illinois to Buttonwillow CA, made it ahead of time. Beautiful drive! Track was open Friday for test day so got set up in plenty of time. Had the privilege of attending the VARA rookie meeting (2 hours) and wearing rookie stripes on my car for that event. Much fun was had by all. In the Sunday race, all of the white Triumphs were parked by the side of the track. Jerry Barker killed a tranny, Paul Smock broke a (billet crower) crank, and John Frymark ran out of gas. John's was the preferable failure. I was the 2nd TR in the finishing order, I think. Ok track, but I wouldn't go a great distance to drive it again. Stayed overnight in Buttonwillow, drove up to Laguna Seca on Monday. Gorgeous drive. Got to Laguna Seca around 3 pm, and found Jerry changing trannys and they had just finished pulling Paul's engine - lashed to two boards with people lifting (!). I missed the pull by 3 minutes. Darn. :) We were let in and were given primo front row paddock positions. Paul's car was started with new motor with an hour to spare for the morning practice. THAT's not being beaten by equipment! Very impressive. Went out for practice Tuesday morning, and those couple of hundred laps of Laguna on the various game consoles paid off. I knew the layout, just needed to figure out the speeds. WHAT A TRACK!!!! Wow. Had a couple of races later Tuesday. I did pretty well, top 5ish. The 250K, Mordy's bionic TR-4, Greg Solow's bionic Morgan, Jerry Barker's bionic Herald and eventually Bill Hart and his very nice TR Devin were my main competition. All were very well driven. Greg broke a clutch and took the car home for repair. Jerry put in another tranny or two. Wednesday, the first race had me gridded 3rd, but numbers 1 and 2 were no-shows putting me on the pole. I had a great dice with Bill Hart, going side by side through turns 2 and 3 and pulled out a bit of a gap. After several laps, we got a full course caution with pace car due to a car stopped in an impact zone. Bill Hart and Greg Solow were the two cars behind me and I knew I was sunk. Thankfully, we ended under caution and I won. Yeah! The 2nd race was the Kastner Cup race and everyone was there in full force. I was gridded on the pole (!). John gave a nice writeup of the race. It was a great battle. I held off Bill Hart until nearly the end - missed a shift on the last run to the checkered flag. Only shift I missed all weekend. It let him by me by half a car length at the finish. It was a great drive by Bill. I think that put me in 6th. We had a fantastic time playing with each other all weekend. The 3rd race was the "trophy" race. Again, I started on the pole. I was passed by Greg Solow immediately, but he was having grip issues and I passed him back in turn 3. I pulled out a bit of a gap, but he eventually found grip in his tires and drove back by me. Bill Hart finally became one with the track and blew by me, and had a great dice with Greg. Eventually I saw a red car looming in my mirror and assumed it was Mordy. Upon further inspection it was Charlie Mitchell. I held him off for a while, but he eventually got by me. That's the way we finished: Greg, Bill, Charlie and me. The hospitality was great, I'm sore but happy (almost too much track time), and I need a new left rear tire, because I wore it out. The weather for both events was fantastic. The Triumph racers group is the best, I felt very welcome. John Nikas did a fantastic job pulling this together. We had very nice posters and shirts. Laguna Seca rocks. It is one of the top drivers tracks - right up there with Mosport and VIR. I still had things to learn about it, and look forward to trying to learn those another day. Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From wredinger at cox.net Sun Jun 12 10:30:08 2011 From: wredinger at cox.net (Anne & Bill) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:30:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT RACE RESULTS FOR KASTNER CUP & TROPHY RACE @ LAGUNA SECA Message-ID: Picked these up from timing and scoring after the race... Great racing. Great people. Good times. Bill Redinger [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of FOT KasCup & Trophy Race 6-8-11 HMSA Laguna Seca.pdf] From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 13 10:38:26 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:38:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LAGUNA SECA shirts and posters.....and Kas' new book. Message-ID: <8CDF7FF744FAC25-1B5C-8CEE@Webmail-d123.sysops.aol.com> READ CAREFULLY I am overwhelmed with orders and will need to spread sheet this PROJECT name address shirt size and style poster distribution will be given priority with shirt order. i need to develop packaging and shipping costs. order that includes Kas new book will be shipped free. time is limited for me. I will be leaving for Blackhawk shortly. I will also be at the PVGP.......and can bring them, saving time and money. It is not clear how I thought I had time for this, but I will try. Clearly the LEGUNA SECA name has a lot of magic for people. It was a great event. Regards, Joe Alexander From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 13 12:15:22 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:15:22 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa Summer Classic 2011 with CSCC In-Reply-To: <008e01cc27a9$0aa95e90$1ffc1bb0$@camoletti.ch> References: <008e01cc27a9$0aa95e90$1ffc1bb0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <002f01cc29f5$dd32ebd0$9798c370$@com> One hour video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CAdNqG6z-k Cheers Chris From jfrymark at aol.com Mon Jun 13 13:04:05 2011 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:04:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-car video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Still trying to find a site to host all the video taken at the Kastner Cup event. In the meantime, thought I'd get my in-car video posted at YouTube with a little editing. Parts 1 & 2. Good battle with with Charly Mitchel. Just couldn't out pull his 6 (P.I.?). Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zovynwkphc Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7gBVFzjJE0 If others post to YouTube, suggest you use "FoT 2011 Kastner Cup" in the title. Then we can find all videos together. Had a blast! John Frymark On Jun 10, 2011, at 8:47 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:52:01 -0400 > From: > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] (no subject) > Message-ID: <20110610185202.UWOAM.146901.root at cdptpa-web13-z02> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Thanks for finally getting me in the car,,, my camera was also not > working so the only video I have is of my fat face before the > race,,, I would have loved to show everyone the battle that was > going on with Charlie and John right in front of me... oh well, > next time,, Mac From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Jun 13 14:26:16 2011 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:26:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-car video References: Message-ID: <4AE2114ED03E4F00A1C7A9519C753772@TRIUMPH.local> I am actually considering setting up a FOT account, parking the videos there, and embedding them into the fot-racing website. Does this make sense? Is there any other video hosting site we should be considering? Wearing my fot-racing.com webmaster hat at the moment Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Frymark" To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:04 PM Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-car video > Still trying to find a site to host all the video taken at the Kastner > Cup event. In the meantime, thought I'd get my in-car video posted at > YouTube with a little editing. Parts 1 & 2. Good battle with with > Charly Mitchel. Just couldn't out pull his 6 (P.I.?). > > Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zovynwkphc > Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7gBVFzjJE0 > > If others post to YouTube, suggest you use "FoT 2011 Kastner Cup" in > the title. Then we can find all videos together. > > Had a blast! > > John Frymark > > On Jun 10, 2011, at 8:47 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:52:01 -0400 >> From: >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] (no subject) >> Message-ID: <20110610185202.UWOAM.146901.root at cdptpa-web13-z02> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Thanks for finally getting me in the car,,, my camera was also not >> working so the only video I have is of my fat face before the >> race,,, I would have loved to show everyone the battle that was >> going on with Charlie and John right in front of me... oh well, >> next time,, Mac > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com From billb at bnj.com Mon Jun 13 14:54:49 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:54:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-car video In-Reply-To: <4AE2114ED03E4F00A1C7A9519C753772@TRIUMPH.local> References: <4AE2114ED03E4F00A1C7A9519C753772@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1C1E19BE-C6C1-4298-A3DA-673AEA6DFA50@bnj.com> vimeo is generally better for longer videos On Jun 13, 2011, at 1:26 PM, wrote: > I am actually considering setting up a FOT account, parking the videos there, and embedding them into the fot-racing website. Does this make sense? Is there any other video hosting site we should be considering? > > Wearing my fot-racing.com webmaster hat at the moment > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Frymark" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:04 PM > Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-car video > > >> Still trying to find a site to host all the video taken at the Kastner >> Cup event. In the meantime, thought I'd get my in-car video posted at >> YouTube with a little editing. Parts 1 & 2. Good battle with with >> Charly Mitchel. Just couldn't out pull his 6 (P.I.?). >> >> Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zovynwkphc >> Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7gBVFzjJE0 >> >> If others post to YouTube, suggest you use "FoT 2011 Kastner Cup" in >> the title. Then we can find all videos together. >> >> Had a blast! >> >> John Frymark >> >> On Jun 10, 2011, at 8:47 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: >> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:52:01 -0400 >>> From: >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: [Fot] (no subject) >>> Message-ID: <20110610185202.UWOAM.146901.root at cdptpa-web13-z02> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> Thanks for finally getting me in the car,,, my camera was also not >>> working so the only video I have is of my fat face before the >>> race,,, I would have loved to show everyone the battle that was >>> going on with Charlie and John right in front of me... oh well, >>> next time,, Mac >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 skype: bill.babcockkenalu www.bnj.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 13 17:59:29 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:59:29 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-car video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001701cc2a25$f1baced0$d5306c70$@com> Seems that the video contains some music so youtube has blocked it for watching it in Germany. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von John Frymark Gesendet: Montag, 13. Juni 2011 21:04 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Laguna Seca In-car video Still trying to find a site to host all the video taken at the Kastner Cup event. In the meantime, thought I'd get my in-car video posted at YouTube with a little editing. Parts 1 & 2. Good battle with with Charly Mitchel. Just couldn't out pull his 6 (P.I.?). Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zovynwkphc Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7gBVFzjJE0 If others post to YouTube, suggest you use "FoT 2011 Kastner Cup" in the title. Then we can find all videos together. Had a blast! John Frymark On Jun 10, 2011, at 8:47 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:52:01 -0400 > From: > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] (no subject) > Message-ID: <20110610185202.UWOAM.146901.root at cdptpa-web13-z02> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Thanks for finally getting me in the car,,, my camera was also not > working so the only video I have is of my fat face before the > race,,, I would have loved to show everyone the battle that was > going on with Charlie and John right in front of me... oh well, > next time,, Mac _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jfrymark at aol.com Mon Jun 13 21:38:09 2011 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:38:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shade Tree Mechanics sans Shade Tree Message-ID: You may have heard that we changed Paul Smock's engine overnight prior to the first practice session at Laguna Seca. Step 1 was to pull the old lump out in the parking lot waiting to enter the track on Monday. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yagUZTZbvL8 When all was done, we must have had at least 10 different wrenchers working on the re-install and IT STARTED AND RAN GREAT for the next 2 days! Go figure! FOT in action! John Frymark From garygret at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 13 21:43:30 2011 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk farms fathers day In-Reply-To: <111016.22587.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <111016.22587.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <66435.40062.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> As long as Tom brought it up, here's a blatant plug for the VSCDA Blackhawk Classic this weekend: Midwestern Council is again staffing the weekend for VSCDA and any one who's willing to work corners, grid, T&S etc. gets free admission, lunch, track touring and dinner! We're up against the June Sprints this year so could really use the help. Gary Schneider Blackhawk Classic Chief Steward ________________________________ From: tom strange To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 12:17:37 PM Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk farms fathers day Does anyone have a crew pass available for the fathers day festivities at blackhawk farms??? Thanks, Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From jfrymark at aol.com Mon Jun 13 22:30:18 2011 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:30:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shade Tree Mechanics sans Shade Tree REDUX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14E7A82B-3465-4684-9D22-1BFB8A580B1E@aol.com> Try this Instead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ7-TCjakBc On Jun 13, 2011, at 8:38 PM, John Frymark wrote: > You may have heard that we changed Paul Smock's engine overnight > prior to the first practice session at Laguna Seca. Step 1 was to > pull the old lump out in the parking lot waiting to enter the track > on Monday. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yagUZTZbvL8 > > When all was done, we must have had at least 10 different wrenchers > working on the re-install and IT STARTED AND RAN GREAT for the next > 2 days! Go figure! > > FOT in action! > > John Frymark From rjohns at woh.rr.com Mon Jun 13 22:31:06 2011 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 00:31:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Event From Bob and Jean Johns Message-ID: Hi guys! What a great event! We enjoyed ourselves immensely. John Nikas, Paul Smock, & John Frymark threw a great party. Thank you everyone for such a great gathering. I very much enjoyed finally meeting Mordy. Ever since we found out that his father-in-law, Mike Rothschild, was my co-driver at Sebring, we have communicated on the connection and on the details. It was great getting to meet him, in person, and see what an awesome car he has built. Great show! It is hard for this old "war horse" to see all this hands-on work being done and not get down and get my hands dirty. I am very impressed at the guys doing just that. I loved the write-up of the event from Tony Drews. Spot on! I an enjoying the photos, so far, and looking forward to more. I have sent them on to the English Triumph Register contacts and they have commented that they are glad to see "our cars in action." It was great seeing Kas and Peg, again. Kas never ages! It must be the California air! R. Johns From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jun 13 23:56:18 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 00:56:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 78 Midget drivetrain for sale...cheap Message-ID: <20110614055613.63BF5187890@autox.team.net> From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jun 14 00:48:36 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:48:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 78 Midget drivetrain for sale cheap Message-ID: <20110614064831.88063187890@autox.team.net> Let's try this again without the apparent html content. A buddy of mine has purchased a 78 Midget with a 1500 cc engine but doesn't want the drivetrain (Engine / Trans / rear axle). It's got 57,000 miles and ran fine a month ago. Anyone interested? You can contact Jim directly at kaw1kat at mchsi.com . Thanks, Tony Drews From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jun 14 07:55:25 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:55:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Event From Bob and Jean Johns Message-ID: <37b66.5ecb640f.3b28c24d@aol.com> In a message dated 06/13/2011 11:50:38 PM Central Daylight Time, rjohns at woh.rr.com writes: > <--- It was great seeing Kas and Peg, again. Kas never ages! It must be > the California air! ---> > > Maybe...but I think it is chasing Peg that keeps him in shape. Bill (Damdinger) From triosan at gmail.com Tue Jun 14 08:24:13 2011 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:24:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shade Tree Mechanics sans Shade Tree REDUX In-Reply-To: <14E7A82B-3465-4684-9D22-1BFB8A580B1E@aol.com> References: <14E7A82B-3465-4684-9D22-1BFB8A580B1E@aol.com> Message-ID: Such K Cup heroics. It has not yet appeared in print I think, but Jeff Quick also lost an engine -- this one on Tuesday at LAguna. He and his team of at least 4 wrenches had the engine swapped and the car on the track in time to race for the Cup -- and it ran just fine the entire race. I am contemplating a tour next year [or year after depending on "things"] with my TR6. Now see it has to include spare axels, brakes, engine, head and tranny -- to say nothing of wheels. Hope someone always has an engine puller -- even it it is two timbers and four guys! Grat seeing all of you I know, and sorry I did not seek out Mark B and Greg Solow -- hopefully next year. Do we have a place/date for 2013? Chuck On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:30 PM, John Frymark wrote: > Try this Instead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ7-TCjakBc > > On Jun 13, 2011, at 8:38 PM, John Frymark wrote: > > You may have heard that we changed Paul Smock's engine overnight prior to >> the first practice session at Laguna Seca. Step 1 was to pull the old lump >> out in the parking lot waiting to enter the track on Monday. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yagUZTZbvL8 >> >> When all was done, we must have had at least 10 different wrenchers >> working on the re-install and IT STARTED AND RAN GREAT for the next 2 days! >> Go figure! >> >> FOT in action! >> >> John Frymark >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jun 14 08:34:42 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:34:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Time to order FLAGS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDF8B75587C730-15D8-B619@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> thanks CHRIS, put me down for THREE. they will look good flying at the 10TH RUNNING OF THE KASTNERS CUP. very timely -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: FoTTriumph Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 3:07 pm Subject: [Fot] Time to order FLAGS Amici, Time to start ordering. Details 2x3foot size Logo is about 16 inches high 2 grommets Indoor outdoor use Material is great quality I have a proof picture if your interested in seeing it. I made the decision to go single sided. This means the words will be reversed on the back. Price is $15 each. Shipping is included. Deadline to order is august 8, 2011. I will place the order then and they should be sent out to you by mid September. Payments to paypal (SeaCubeCo at aol.com) or check to Chris Bock 3630 Italia Ave Vineland, NJ 08361 Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Jun 14 09:00:08 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:00:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shade Tree Mechanics sans Shade Tree REDUX In-Reply-To: References: <14E7A82B-3465-4684-9D22-1BFB8A580B1E@aol.com> Message-ID: <566F5C19-4F1B-40C0-AFAC-6F16BF891244@bnj.com> It was fun seeing that. When I built Nero I made the top of the rear door into a track and built a roller bogie that can be assembled onto it with a gate pulley. You run the winch cable over the gate pulley and to a block that gives 2-1 mechanical advantage. Pull the car up the ramp, hook on a engine tilting thingy and presto, electric engine crane. Worked great at VIR when I had to replace the clutch. Actually easier than the engine crane in my shop. I suspect most trailers could be so equipped if the door frame is strong enough. I built Nero's frame out of welded aluminum plate, and was a little nervous but it didn't shift a millimeter. On Jun 14, 2011, at 7:24 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > Such K Cup heroics. It has not yet appeared in print I think, but Jeff > Quick also lost an engine -- this one on Tuesday at LAguna. He and his team > of at least 4 wrenches had the engine swapped and the car on the track in > time to race for the Cup -- and it ran just fine the entire race. I am > contemplating a tour next year [or year after depending on "things"] with my > TR6. Now see it has to include spare axels, brakes, engine, head and tranny > -- to say nothing of wheels. Hope someone always has an engine puller -- > even it it is two timbers and four guys! > > Grat seeing all of you I know, and sorry I did not seek out Mark B and Greg > Solow -- hopefully next year. > > Do we have a place/date for 2013? > > Chuck From billb at bnj.com Tue Jun 14 09:01:47 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:01:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Time to order FLAGS In-Reply-To: <8CDF8B75587C730-15D8-B619@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDF8B75587C730-15D8-B619@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <12E5FF4F-415F-40CD-A6CC-8A292F0DA4D3@bnj.com> I'll take two, will send payment via Paypal. I'll do my best to be at the next Kastner Kup. From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jun 14 11:27:19 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:27:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca results Message-ID: <20110614172715.1C191187669@autox.team.net> Does anyone have a copy of the results from the first race on Wednesday (11:10 am) at Laguna Seca? The other two races are posted to the FOT site, but not the one I won... :) Thanks, Tony Drews From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Jun 14 14:53:09 2011 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Laguna Kastner Cup thanks In-Reply-To: <409173186.1575928.1308084702381.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <911171550.1576041.1308084789521.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT, Before it gets too far away from me, I'd like to thank everyone involved in another fantastic Kastner Cup event and acknowledge the importance of having "our" Triumph Champions and heros in the paddock. Sharing photo opportunities, experiences and autographs with Kas, Hardy Prentice (with his Championship TR3), Sam Halkias, Bob Johns, Jerry Barker and others adds much significance to these events. This was great for the Triumph Traveler Sports Car Club as well. It was nice to have the enthusiastic support of our streetcar brethren. Their smiles were ear-to-ear, both in the paddock and during the Corkscrew experience for the ultimate photo opportunities. Also, I'd like to thank those who stepped up to the plate to organize this event, from Mordy's amazing energy, generosity, and tasty eats to the co-hosts of Tuesday evening's bar-b-que, John and Tammy Frymark, as well as John Nikas, Steve Belfer and others. Thanks to the drivers who made the tow and put on a great show. And, of course, most certainly thanks to Joe Alexander for originally bringing the FoT together and defining our purpose. What a great group of people! Thanks to all for another glorious Kastner Cup event! I had a really great time and hopefully, next year I will be joining you all on the track, Dave Hogye From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jun 14 15:44:12 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:44:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Kastner Cup thanks References: <911171550.1576041.1308084789521.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <80B56938E6584B3FB3B202E467B8CA7C@Bud> Good to see you Dave..and your 'trademark' Stingray.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "davehogye" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:53 PM Subject: [Fot] Laguna Kastner Cup thanks > FoT, > Before it gets too far away from me, I'd like to thank everyone involved > in another fantastic Kastner Cup event and acknowledge the importance of > having "our" Triumph Champions and heros in the paddock. Sharing photo > opportunities, experiences and autographs with Kas, Hardy Prentice (with > his Championship TR3), Sam Halkias, Bob Johns, Jerry Barker and others > adds much significance to these events. This was great for the Triumph > Traveler Sports Car Club as well. It was nice to have the enthusiastic > support of our streetcar brethren. Their smiles were ear-to-ear, both in > the paddock and during the Corkscrew experience for the ultimate photo > opportunities. > > > Also, I'd like to thank those who stepped up to the plate to organize this > event, from Mordy's amazing energy, generosity, and tasty eats to the > co-hosts of Tuesday evening's bar-b-que, John and Tammy Frymark, as well > as John Nikas, Steve Belfer and others. Thanks to the drivers who made the > tow and put on a great show. > > > And, of course, most certainly thanks to Joe Alexander for originally > bringing the FoT together and defining our purpose. What a great group of > people! > Thanks to all for another glorious Kastner Cup event! I had a really great > time and hopefully, next year I will be joining you all on the track, > Dave Hogye > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From SpiwakD at aol.com Tue Jun 14 18:41:40 2011 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:41:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Head Wanted Message-ID: I'm looking for a used ported TR3/TR4 head for my spare engine. Call Dave at 570-441-5646 or email. From tjwakeman at gmail.com Tue Jun 14 20:18:18 2011 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:18:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TRAN-X LIMITED SLIP QUESTION Message-ID: <4DF8166A.2060308@gmail.com> Hey guys I got a couple quick questions about a Tran-X limited slip (similar to Salisbury). 1. Does it take a special oil? If yes what. 2. What is the bolt torque setting for the bolts holding the ring gear on? I got a Tran-X without any instructions in the box, so any help would be great. Thanks Teriann From billb at bnj.com Tue Jun 14 21:36:27 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:36:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TRAN-X LIMITED SLIP QUESTION In-Reply-To: <4DF8166A.2060308@gmail.com> References: <4DF8166A.2060308@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, you need to use gear oil designed for limited slip. Easy to find at any auto parts store or get the Redline stuff. I don't remember which variety it is but the redline site will tell you. Don't recall the torque. On Jun 14, 2011, at 7:18 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > Hey guys I got a couple quick questions about a Tran-X limited slip > (similar to Salisbury). > > 1. Does it take a special oil? If yes what. > > 2. What is the bolt torque setting for the bolts holding the ring gear on? > > I got a Tran-X without any instructions in the box, so any help would be > great. > > Thanks > > Teriann > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 skype: bill.babcockkenalu www.bnj.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 07:01:29 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:01:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRAN-X LIMITED SLIP QUESTION In-Reply-To: <4990AFA8-8D09-488A-9263-0906A34439F9@gmail.com> References: <4DF8166A.2060308@gmail.com> <4990AFA8-8D09-488A-9263-0906A34439F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <955B7D6E-4ED8-4144-8CA1-BAEB222D7F56@gmail.com> f On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote: > Teriann, > If nobody has the factory specs, this ought to get you close: > > http://www.engineersedge.com/torque_table_sae_ftlbs.htm > > The critical thing will be whether you can tell what the bolt grade is. Markings explained here: > > http://www.boltdepot.com/fastener-information/Materials-and-Grades/Bolt-Grade -Chart.aspx > > Duncan > > On Jun 14, 2011, at 10:36 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > >> Yes, you need to use gear oil designed for limited slip. Easy to find at any >> auto parts store or get the Redline stuff. I don't remember which variety it >> is but the redline site will tell you. Don't recall the torque. >> On Jun 14, 2011, at 7:18 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >> >>> Hey guys I got a couple quick questions about a Tran-X limited slip >>> (similar to Salisbury). >>> >>> 1. Does it take a special oil? If yes what. >>> >>> 2. What is the bolt torque setting for the bolts holding the ring gear on? >>> >>> I got a Tran-X without any instructions in the box, so any help would be >>> great. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Teriann >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >>> >>> >> >> Bill Babcock >> billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> skype: bill.babcockkenalu >> www.bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jun 15 09:07:26 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:07:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Teaser video from Laguna Seca 2011 Kastner Cup Message-ID: <20110615150724.AA527187872@autox.team.net> I took some video (at a friend's request) of us waiting to enter the track and of the drive into the track. I'm still working on the in-car video, but it came out nicely - that will go up later this week or this coming weekend. Anyway, 3 to 4 minutes of track entry stuff is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHTdu-zFMUs Cheers, Tony Drews From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 11:55:28 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:55:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRAN-X LIMITED SLIP QUESTION In-Reply-To: <002a01cc2b67$3a167d40$ae4377c0$@camoletti.ch> References: <4DF8166A.2060308@gmail.com> <4990AFA8-8D09-488A-9263-0906A34439F9@gmail.com> <955B7D6E-4ED8-4144-8CA1-BAEB222D7F56@gmail.com> <002a01cc2b67$3a167d40$ae4377c0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: I should have used my own advice and used Tinyurl.com to shorten the URLs and keep them from being cut when the email program produces narrow columns of text. Torque table: http://tinyurl.com/dhcrc Bolt markings: http://tinyurl.com/yplwq8 Duncan > On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote: > >> Teriann, >> If nobody has the factory specs, this ought to get you close: >> >> http://www.engineersedge.com/torque_table_sae_ftlbs.htm >> >> The critical thing will be whether you can tell what the bolt grade is. > Markings explained here: >> >> > http://www.boltdepot.com/fastener-information/Materials-and-Grades/Bolt-Grad > e > -Chart.aspx >> >> Duncan >> >> On Jun 14, 2011, at 10:36 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: >> >>> Yes, you need to use gear oil designed for limited slip. Easy to find >>> at > any >>> auto parts store or get the Redline stuff. I don't remember which >>> variety > it >>> is but the redline site will tell you. Don't recall the torque. >>> On Jun 14, 2011, at 7:18 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >>> >>>> Hey guys I got a couple quick questions about a Tran-X limited slip >>>> (similar to Salisbury). >>>> >>>> 1. Does it take a special oil? If yes what. >>>> >>>> 2. What is the bolt torque setting for the bolts holding the ring >>>> gear > on? >>>> >>>> I got a Tran-X without any instructions in the box, so any help >>>> would be great. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Teriann >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Bill Babcock >>> billb at bnj.com >>> 503.936.7660 >>> skype: bill.babcockkenalu >>> www.bnj.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jun 15 13:16:44 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:16:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TRAN-X LIMITED SLIP QUESTION In-Reply-To: <955B7D6E-4ED8-4144-8CA1-BAEB222D7F56@gmail.com> References: <4DF8166A.2060308@gmail.com> <4990AFA8-8D09-488A-9263-0906A34439F9@gmail.com> <955B7D6E-4ED8-4144-8CA1-BAEB222D7F56@gmail.com> Message-ID: <024e01cc2b90$c49229a0$4db67ce0$@rr.com> > > The critical thing will be whether you can tell what the bolt grade > is. > Markings explained here: Unfortunately that is an explanation of SAE markings, and the original bolts were not SAE spec. FWIW, I just got an email from Dan Jones at Tran-X, saying to use the factory torque for the ring gear bolts. According to the TR2/3 workshop manual, that was 35-40 ft-lb (for the later gears with the 3/8" bolts). He also included a drawing that says to use Loctite and torque the "test bolts" (which I assume are the ones holding the carrier together) to 30-35 ft-lb. Curiously enough, the only difference between the "light weight" and "fully interlevered" settings appears to be the order of assembly of the clutch plates. I thought it was a component change. -- Randall From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 14:52:21 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:52:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question Message-ID: With the help of several people, I've got this licked. Fuel pressure was set too high (4 psi) for the H6 SUs. I adjusted that to 2.7 psi, installed leaner needles and cranked the jets up to 8 flats from where they'd been found at 19 flats. Very good plug color now, no flat spots, and NO sputtering after letting off the throttle and getting back on it again. Seat of the pants suggests there has been a power gain in the midrange. Soft-mounting the carbs does not appear to be necessary. Now to do some acceleration runs to optimize ignition timing. Thanks to all who contributed -- Michael P, Bob K, Tim M, Jim G, Jim E, Bill B, Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, Tony, Kas, and especially Greg Solow, who walked me through this off-group. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Jun 15 15:27:21 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:27:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D5A2@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << I've got this licked. >> Oh, god. NOW you've done it. The very definition of hubris. Expect something mysterious to go wrong in some other part of the car. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:52 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question With the help of several people, I've got this licked. Fuel pressure was set too high (4 psi) for the H6 SUs. I adjusted that to 2.7 psi, installed leaner needles and cranked the jets up to 8 flats from where they'd been found at 19 flats. Very good plug color now, no flat spots, and NO sputtering after letting off the throttle and getting back on it again. Seat of the pants suggests there has been a power gain in the midrange. Soft-mounting the carbs does not appear to be necessary. Now to do some acceleration runs to optimize ignition timing. Thanks to all who contributed -- Michael P, Bob K, Tim M, Jim G, Jim E, Bill B, Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, Tony, Kas, and especially Greg Solow, who walked me through this off-group. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Jun 15 15:59:02 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:59:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000b01cc2ba7$70adc170$52094450$@com> Just curious, what needles did you settle on? We have H6's on the race car and went from SM needles to RB needles with the Kastner cam and about 11:1 or a little better compression ratio. We're about 10 flats down and about 2.9 to 3.0 PSI fuel pressure at present, if I remember correctly. Always nice to know what the "base line" is for a street car. Thanks, Tim Murphy -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:52 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question With the help of several people, I've got this licked. Fuel pressure was set too high (4 psi) for the H6 SUs. I adjusted that to 2.7 psi, installed leaner needles and cranked the jets up to 8 flats from where they'd been found at 19 flats. Very good plug color now, no flat spots, and NO sputtering after letting off the throttle and getting back on it again. Seat of the pants suggests there has been a power gain in the midrange. Soft-mounting the carbs does not appear to be necessary. Now to do some acceleration runs to optimize ignition timing. Thanks to all who contributed -- Michael P, Bob K, Tim M, Jim G, Jim E, Bill B, Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, Tony, Kas, and especially Greg Solow, who walked me through this off-group. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Jun 15 16:06:11 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:06:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01cc2ba8$707297c0$5157c740$@com> Update, just checked my notes and we are now at 11 flats down on both carbs. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:52 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Sputtering TR question With the help of several people, I've got this licked. Fuel pressure was set too high (4 psi) for the H6 SUs. I adjusted that to 2.7 psi, installed leaner needles and cranked the jets up to 8 flats from where they'd been found at 19 flats. Very good plug color now, no flat spots, and NO sputtering after letting off the throttle and getting back on it again. Seat of the pants suggests there has been a power gain in the midrange. Soft-mounting the carbs does not appear to be necessary. Now to do some acceleration runs to optimize ignition timing. Thanks to all who contributed -- Michael P, Bob K, Tim M, Jim G, Jim E, Bill B, Russ M, Irv K, Scott B, Chris, Tony, Kas, and especially Greg Solow, who walked me through this off-group. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 15 17:21:37 2011 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk farms fathers day parts delivery Message-ID: <563248.44947.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Short notice, I know, but .... I will be at Blackhawk Farms fairly early Fri morning .... I will be at Pegasus mid morning on thursday, and at berget tire early thursday afternoon ... If there is anything anyone needs transported to the track, call your orders in & I'll bring it along ... let them know to give it to me though so it doesnt get missed ... See you all this weekend. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jun 16 00:26:08 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 01:26:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca, In car video, 11:10 am race, 6/8/2011 Message-ID: <20110616062600.5083D187657@autox.team.net> Here's a narrated version of the morning race at Laguna Seca. Since I started on the pole and won the (shortened) race there's not a ton of action in the front facing camera, but still not bad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S102OQKw5V8 Tony From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 16 01:39:35 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 01:39:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca, In car video, 11:10 am race, 6/8/2011 In-Reply-To: <20110616062600.5083D187657@autox.team.net> References: <20110616062600.5083D187657@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4DF9B337.9010402@bradakis.com> I have *got* to get a car back together and get out on track. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jun 16 01:55:57 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:55:57 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca, In car video, 11:10 am race, 6/8/2011 In-Reply-To: <20110616062600.5083D187657@autox.team.net> References: <20110616062600.5083D187657@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000301cc2bfa$d5a6ab70$80f40250$@com> Contraire corners: Cork screw down hill Eau rouge up hill Well done Tony. The narration is very interesting as I got a clue why this or that happened and your feel about it. Thanks! Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2011 08:26 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Laguna Seca, In car video, 11:10 am race, 6/8/2011 Here's a narrated version of the morning race at Laguna Seca. Since I started on the pole and won the (shortened) race there's not a ton of action in the front facing camera, but still not bad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S102OQKw5V8 Tony _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From triumphs at consolidated.net Thu Jun 16 06:21:30 2011 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home PC) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:21:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca, In car video, 11:10 am race, 6/8/2011 References: <20110616062600.5083D187657@autox.team.net> Message-ID: very nice video. Thanks Tony kg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 1:26 AM Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca, In car video, 11:10 am race, 6/8/2011 > Here's a narrated version of the morning race at Laguna Seca. Since I > started on the pole and won the (shortened) race there's not a ton of > action in the front facing camera, but still not bad. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S102OQKw5V8 > > Tony > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3706 - Release Date: 06/15/11 From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Jun 16 07:29:04 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:29:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Twin Cities to Blackhawk Farms? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D5B9@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> (The following is from Ernie Hussman whose FOT mailings are still in the manual mode following his account being hacked) Is there anyone from the Minneapolis, MN area that will be going to the Blackhawk Classic this weekend who might be able to pick up and transport a recumbent bike for me? B Please contact me off the list. B Thanks, B Ernie From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Jun 16 08:53:22 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:53:22 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: cork screw Message-ID: <1897200361-1308236003-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1727256230-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> I took this short clip on my cell phone... Just a few of the cars @ last weeks KCup. See the link... 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Please give us a report back. I'm slightly leary, while trying not to be too critical, but, they don't know what they have. They label their TRI-TR6 rods as being for Spit 1500, Late Spit 1300, GT6, and TR6. I do believe the rods for each of these engines is a different length. A 1500 may fit a TR6, but a GT6 is different as is the 1300. Of course, until we all started buying Pauter rods they were an unknown too! Let us know. -Ed- --- On Thu, 6/16/11, Duncan Charlton wrote: From: Duncan Charlton Subject: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods To: "fot" Date: Thursday, June 16, 2011, 8:02 PM Has anybody had experience with connecting rods from maxspeedingrods? http://tinyurl.com/3wmuk6d $520.16 a set (with ARP bolts) for a TR motor on their ebay page here: http://tinyurl.com/3cu5r89 Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From herald948 at aol.com Thu Jun 16 21:20:59 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods In-Reply-To: <31532.13280.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <31532.13280.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: EDWARD BARNARD Well Duncan, we'll know all about them once you buy a set and try them. Please give us a report back. I'm slightly leary, while trying not to be too critical, but, they don't know what they have. They label their TRI-TR6 rods as being for Spit 1500, Late Spit 1300, GT6, and TR6. I do believe the rods for each of these engines is a different length. A 1500 may fit a TR6, but a GT6 is different as is the 1300. ==AM== I think they might be right. P/N146454 seems to show up at TRF, Moss Europe and other online catalogue sites as a connecting rod for all those cars. (Well, all but the very earliest GT6 engines.) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 16 21:59:13 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:59:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods In-Reply-To: <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> References: <31532.13280.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DFAD111.6050605@bradakis.com> The TR6, GT6 Mark 2 & 3, Spitfire 1500 and large journal 1300 do all share the same rods, as I recall. The GT6 has different piston crown heights , but I seem to recall something like a standard TR6 piston is the same as a 40 over Spit 1500. I'm probably getting into pure speculation here, fueled by a murky memory. Also the rocker arms are the same, but I could be wrong on that one. So 2 sets of TR6 roller rockers would give you 3 sets of Spit 1500 ones! The early GT6 and Vitesse 1600 motors, 1147 and early 1296 Spit motors do not share components with the TR6 or Spit 1500. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 16 22:07:19 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:07:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods In-Reply-To: <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> References: <31532.13280.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DFAD2F7.7040008@bradakis.com> One minor note on the rods. I think that the early TR250/6 and Spit 1300 rods were a different casting than the later ones which had the same basic dimensions but different amounts of metal in various places and slightly different oil passages. Again, murky memory. Maybe I should go out to the garage, grab my calipers and rummage around. mjb. From Catpusher at aol.com Thu Jun 16 22:14:30 2011 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Laguna and the Kastner Cup Message-ID: <3f48d.21f8413a.3b2c2ea6@aol.com> FOT, A fine mix of history, friendships, and competition! Our only frustration was that we could not attend the FOT BBQ; we did appreciate the invitations. Our TR3 returned from Monterey today and is safety back in the basement. Hardy & Ellie From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu Jun 16 22:14:32 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:14:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods In-Reply-To: <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> References: <31532.13280.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2E0D4E72-7368-4830-8F4F-0991F41AC951@gmail.com> Andrew (or is it Ed? -- hard to tell...), Thanks for letting me go first. :-) My interest in them is for a potential future engine build. My current engine has Carrillos, thanks to the previous owner. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 16, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Andrew Mace wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: EDWARD BARNARD > Well Duncan, we'll know all about them once you buy a set and try them. Please > give us a report back. I'm slightly leary, while trying not to be too critical, > but, they don't know what they have. They label their TRI-TR6 rods as being for > Spit 1500, Late Spit 1300, GT6, and TR6. I do believe the rods for each of these > engines is a different length. A 1500 may fit a TR6, but a GT6 is different as > is the 1300. > > > ==AM== > > > > > I think they might be right. P/N146454 seems to show up at TRF, Moss Europe and other online > > catalogue sites as a connecting rod for all those cars. (Well, all but the very earliest GT6 engines.) > > > > --Andy Mace > > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. > > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org > > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jun 17 01:16:52 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:16:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods In-Reply-To: <2E0D4E72-7368-4830-8F4F-0991F41AC951@gmail.com> References: <31532.13280.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CDFAB4B6D2026A-2454-3060C@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> <2E0D4E72-7368-4830-8F4F-0991F41AC951@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601cc2cbe$891a43b0$9b4ecb10$@com> I heard nothing bad about them. A few people do use them and no failure 'till today. In a TR6 they took 8200rpm and do still last. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Duncan Charlton Gesendet: Freitag, 17. Juni 2011 06:15 An: Andrew Mace Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods Andrew (or is it Ed? -- hard to tell...), Thanks for letting me go first. :-) My interest in them is for a potential future engine build. My current engine has Carrillos, thanks to the previous owner. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 16, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Andrew Mace wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: EDWARD BARNARD > Well Duncan, we'll know all about them once you buy a set and try them. Please > give us a report back. I'm slightly leary, while trying not to be too critical, > but, they don't know what they have. They label their TRI-TR6 rods as being for > Spit 1500, Late Spit 1300, GT6, and TR6. I do believe the rods for each of these > engines is a different length. A 1500 may fit a TR6, but a GT6 is different as > is the 1300. > > > ==AM== > > > > > I think they might be right. P/N146454 seems to show up at TRF, Moss Europe and other online > > catalogue sites as a connecting rod for all those cars. (Well, all but the very earliest GT6 engines.) > > > > --Andy Mace > > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. > > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org > > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Fri Jun 17 03:21:04 2011 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:21:04 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Gearbox Extension Housing Identification Message-ID: Dear Listers, I am currently rebuilding a TR6 Close Ratio Gearbox for a friend of mine, with the QUAIFE gear set. I need some help in identifying the rear extension housing that he had shipped with the box. It was supposed to be a TR6 extension housing. BUT, the extension housing face that mates to the back of the gear case, does NOT have the cast 'slot' that allows the ext. housing to clear the reverse gear shaft/countershaft/locking tab. Anyone know what model of Triumph this extension housing is from? Not that it solves my problem of not having a housing! I am just curious as to what it is from? Hoping the combined wisdom of the list will let me get some sleep by coming up with the solution! Many thanks in advance! Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From SpiwakD at aol.com Fri Jun 17 06:08:23 2011 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 08:08:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] Chinese rods Message-ID: <3ba7.4d4980eb.3b2c9db7@aol.com> Who wants to take a chance with the usually inferior Chinese steel? I use Pauter rods which work as well as Carillo for me at 2/3 the price. From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jun 17 06:57:04 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 08:57:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] BLACKHAWK FARMS FATHERS DAY W'END Message-ID: <8CDFB0530D1612F-1B34-26CA6@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> TR4 #197 loaded and waiting for five grandchildren and two sons. Laguna would have been very special but this is long time tradition. Have Laguna shirts for those who want them.....get them early. Choices are limited. Posters are in short supply, too...good thing we got 200 of them instead of just 100. Steve Belfer....how many do you have on hand? (Next year's poster is already in the works for the 10th running of the KASTNER CUP.) See you at Blackhawk. Joe Alexander From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jun 17 08:52:59 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:52:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup race, In-Car video Message-ID: <20110617145250.D858218787D@autox.team.net> I just edited and posted Kastner Cup race, Laguna Seca, In-Car video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epKxXhYycWU Tony Drews From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Jun 17 13:23:41 2011 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:23:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] More vids from Laguna Seca Message-ID: <3B83B09E-E86B-40A1-9D9A-D569261BDC9B@earthlink.net> As seen from my TR3 Http://vimeo.com/25219748 Steve From igofaster at att.net Fri Jun 17 15:36:20 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 pistons... Message-ID: <977792.16153.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> so... I am starting on a NEW short block for my GT6 MKII... any line on some nice 0.20 Pistons? 0.10 rod and main bearings... are the tri-metals still out there? I need Spitfire cam bearings too... Bobby Whitehead From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Fri Jun 17 16:27:30 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 08:27:30 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Chinese H-beam TR rods Message-ID: The '68 onwards GT6 and pre '73 TR6 rods are the same. The very early GT6 had a wider big-end, shared with Vanguard 6. The beam of the rod is very thin, like a Spitty rod. I doubt anyone would be copying these GT6 rods, as the bearings are getting very hard to find The post '73 6 cyl rods had a hole drilled thru the big-end to allow 1 rod bolt hole to be tapped easier. The Spit 1500 used these rods Whilst these later rods looked "weak", i have never seen one fail in a stock engine. Even on race engines, they dont seem to fail thru the hole, but rather by bolt breakage and/or cap fretting All the above rods are exactly the same length. The weights however vary considerably. This is not a bother if you are building a balanced engine, but is an issue if you are swapping stuff around. I build a lot of modern turbo race and stock engines. conrods are rarely an issue, but i have used quite a few "chinese" sets at circa $500 set because that is less cost to the customer than stuffing around trying to fix/grind/balance/shot-peen 4 old rods. never had a problem provided they came with genuine ARP bolts. Terry From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri Jun 17 16:32:55 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:32:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 pistons... References: <977792.16153.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <62048149C1754ADC8FFB39CAABF32AA7@Charly> Check British Parts NW. http://www.bpnorthwest.com/ Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 2:36 PM Subject: [Fot] GT6 pistons... > so... I am starting on a NEW short block for my GT6 MKII... any line on > some > nice 0.20 Pistons? 0.10 rod and main bearings... are the tri-metals > still > out > there? > > I need Spitfire cam bearings too... > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From walt at hot-tr6.com Fri Jun 17 20:12:09 2011 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 20:12:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New Product Message-ID: <001f01cc2d5d$219e1b40$64da51c0$@hot-tr6.com> With reference to what used to be the "winter blend" of ethanol in our pump gas there is a new additive out I wish to share with FOT members. Now ethanol is a year-long deal and even though the stock Triumph engines are a relatively low compression design and can usually will Tolerate this blend once you start decking the block and start cutting the head to get the compression up you must deal with vapor-lock and other Problems with ethanol In our pump gas. Well- STA-Bil has a new product out called "Ethanol Treatment". I heard about this product and went to NAPA and at first was told there was no such item then got a call back that they did have it at one of their stores . I picked up a couple of bottles And will give it a try in my daily driver kit Cobra which has a 347ci stroker engine in it at 11:1 compression with a 700 Holley double pumper carb on it. The last Few hot days my replica-Cobra has struggled with our ethanol blended 91 pump octane gas. My 1970 TR6 vintage is at 13:1 compression so I have to use 110 octane racing fuel in it so ethanol is not an issue. FYI Walt Hollowell ABQ, NM From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jun 17 21:00:07 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 20:00:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New Product References: <001f01cc2d5d$219e1b40$64da51c0$@hot-tr6.com> Message-ID: <2060F160272442758BAA82A50D87F19A@Bud> Hi Walt...is this taking place in all states? RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Hollowell" To: Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 7:12 PM Subject: [Fot] New Product > With reference to what used to be the "winter blend" of ethanol in our > pump > gas there is a new additive out I wish to share with FOT members. > > Now ethanol is a year-long deal and even though the stock Triumph engines > are a relatively low compression design and can usually will > > Tolerate this blend once you start decking the block and start cutting the > head to get the compression up you must deal with vapor-lock and other > > Problems with ethanol In our pump gas. Well- STA-Bil has a new product out > called "Ethanol Treatment". I heard about this product and went to > > NAPA and at first was told there was no such item then got a call back > that > they did have it at one of their stores . I picked up a couple of bottles > > And will give it a try in my daily driver kit Cobra which has a 347ci > stroker engine in it at 11:1 compression with a 700 Holley double pumper > carb on it. The last > > Few hot days my replica-Cobra has struggled with our ethanol blended 91 > pump > octane gas. My 1970 > TR6 vintage is at 13:1 compression so I have to use 110 octane racing fuel > in it so ethanol is not an issue. > > FYI > > Walt Hollowell > > ABQ, NM > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From oldspeed72 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 18 07:15:04 2011 From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com (Mark Vanlake) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Listed on E-Bay Message-ID: <488325.81705.qm@web111013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Greetings fellow FOT members. Listed my Freshly restored TR-6 racer on E-Bay. Note the FOT stickers on the car. If you know anyone interested, please pass the link on. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180683171109&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jun 18 11:42:36 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:42:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] One more in-car video Message-ID: <20110618174230.1515B187646@autox.team.net> Last video - race 3, the "Trophy" race at Laguna Seca - start on pole, finish 4th: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaUQ_EXkXyo Tony From gaf3 at charter.net Sat Jun 18 16:15:37 2011 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:15:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hot Running 6 Message-ID: <4DFD2389.5030304@charter.net> Hi I just finished rebuilding a club members 74 TR6 that I had bored .060" over due to cylinder wall damage. The owner had the radiator cleaned out, provided a new water pump, thermostat, temp sending unit and so on. The car has a set of DGV Webers (downdraft) on it. There are a couple of issues now with the engine I'm trying to sort out. Engine runs on the warm side with the gauge between 1/2 and 3/4 some excursions to 3/4 when left idling for a _long_ time. When the engine is revved to 1,500-2,000 rpm it settles back down to 5/8ths on the gauge. * I suspected a faulty replacement temp sending unit and replaced it with one from my car and it brought the temp down slightly. * I also tried to burp the system by bleeding the air out at the sending unit but I can't seem to get it out. When I remove the sending unit there's just air. * Any better methods of getting air out of the head?? Doesn't seem to purge after thermal cycling the engine. New cap as well. * The replacement thermostat was a 165 deg. I suspect that it's higher than that. Can't measure actual coolant temp since I broke my Temp Tester. * My next step is to remove the thermostat. Engine backfires through the carbs cold when when snapping the throttle when the chokes are off and not quite warmed up. Not a problem at operating temp/No backfires. * Distributor is the vacuum retard type and the vacuum line is disconnected. * Base timing set at ~1deg BTDC Any Ideas? Thanks in Advance Glenn Franco Too Many TR's they keep multiplying From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat Jun 18 18:24:42 2011 From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:24:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hot Running 6 References: <4DFD2389.5030304@charter.net> Message-ID: <8A0A45E93A6D4DCDA03FF7251085E823@TER2> Siince the distributor is a vacuum retard type. The vacuum normally retards the timeing from about 12 degrees before tdc to 4degrees atdc. Without the retard connected the timing should be about 12 degrees btdc at idle speed. when you rev the engine up, with all vacuum lines to the distributor disconnected, you should get about 36 degrees total maximum mechanical advance. You may be able to get away with up to 38 or 40 degrees, dependiing on the compression ratio of the engine. You will have to slow down the idle considerably when you advance the timing. That should make the engie run cooler and have more power and be more responsive. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Franco" To: "Friends of triumph" ; <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 3:15 PM Subject: [Fot] Hot Running 6 > Hi > I just finished rebuilding a club members 74 TR6 that I had bored .060" > over due to cylinder wall damage. > The owner had the radiator cleaned out, provided a new water pump, > thermostat, temp sending unit and so on. > The car has a set of DGV Webers (downdraft) on it. > There are a couple of issues now with the engine I'm trying to sort out. > > Engine runs on the warm side with the gauge between 1/2 and 3/4 some > excursions to 3/4 when left idling for a _long_ time. When the engine is > revved to 1,500-2,000 rpm it settles back down to 5/8ths on the gauge. > > * I suspected a faulty replacement temp sending unit and > replaced it with one from my car and it brought the temp down > slightly. > * I also tried to burp the system by bleeding the air out at the > sending unit but I can't seem to get it out. When I remove the > sending unit there's just air. > * Any better methods of getting air out of the head?? Doesn't > seem to purge after thermal cycling the engine. New cap as well. > * The replacement thermostat was a 165 deg. I suspect that it's > higher than that. Can't measure actual coolant temp since I > broke my Temp Tester. > * My next step is to remove the thermostat. > > Engine backfires through the carbs cold when when snapping the throttle > when the chokes are off and not quite warmed up. Not a problem at > operating temp/No backfires. > > * Distributor is the vacuum retard type and the vacuum line is > disconnected. > * Base timing set at ~1deg BTDC > > Any Ideas? > Thanks in Advance > Glenn Franco > Too Many TR's they keep multiplying > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sun Jun 19 08:21:29 2011 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:21:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 lower control arm rebound plate Message-ID: <4DFE05E9.8000600@cfl.rr.com> I am in need of two TR6 rebound plates that bolt to the shock mounting studs. Does anyone have a set to sell? thxx, Bob Davis From gaf3 at charter.net Sun Jun 19 10:50:47 2011 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:50:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hot Running 6 In-Reply-To: <4DFD2389.5030304@charter.net> References: <4DFD2389.5030304@charter.net> Message-ID: <4DFE28E7.3050406@charter.net> Group Thanks for all the input on the warm running engine and backfires. I jacked up the front of the car with the thermostat housing off and filled up the head with coolant. I also, as Kas suggested drilled out the thermostat housing and tapped it for a small pipe plug. It does the trick. Coolant temp now is steady at 9/16 to 5/8ths on the gauge regardless of how long it idles. Set the timing at 12 deg BTDC Thanks again! Glenn Too Many TR's they keep multiplying. On 6/18/2011 6:15 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Hi > I just finished rebuilding a club members 74 TR6 that I had bored .060" > over due to cylinder wall damage. > The owner had the radiator cleaned out, provided a new water pump, > thermostat, temp sending unit and so on. > The car has a set of DGV Webers (downdraft) on it. > There are a couple of issues now with the engine I'm trying to sort out. > > Engine runs on the warm side with the gauge between 1/2 and 3/4 some > excursions to 3/4 when left idling for a _long_ time. When the engine is > revved to 1,500-2,000 rpm it settles back down to 5/8ths on the gauge. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 20 09:46:51 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:46:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms a success Message-ID: <8CDFD78683C1F13-B98-326E8@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Our report...there should be more from others. 1st outing with new engine since failure at Topeka Heat soaking a declining coil brought #197 in to the paddock after five laps for two of the races. Replaced coil with one loaned by Scott Barr and it was gang busters for the one hour enduro. Sean was down to 1:29 during the enduro and running consistent lap times. Notably......son Mark ran Blackhawk for the first time in almost 20 years and has had limited track time anywhere since. He ran 1:33s immediately and ran 1:31s as his best lap. This is pretty impressive, methinks. Mark's back.....!!! Lessons learned....20 year coil should have been replaced long ago. duh! Father's Day had 9 Alexanders and three generations at the track and frequent FOT visitors to our paddock campsite. Very cool! New engine dry with superior engine assembly by Sean and Brendan....and crankcase vacuum system. Looks like we are in the business of vintage racing with Brendan coming along in the next couple of years. Now to focus on the AMBRO and the 10th Running of the Kastner Cup at Road Atlanta. Joe, Sean, Mark, Brendan From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 20 10:01:56 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:01:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LAGUNA SHIRTS AND POSTERS Message-ID: <8CDFD7A83A7B456-B98-329B4@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> I'll try publish inventory of what I have for shirts and poster later today. The shirt production was a last minute line item and is tough to manage distribution even when it is not. NOTE: There may be a few shirts and posters available in Ca. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------- 10TH KASTNER CUP: I suspect Henry Frye will be looking for a PROJECT MANAGER for shirt production and distribution quite soon. Poster Artwork is being reviewed by a small sub committee right now. Joe A From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Jun 20 10:40:32 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:40:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure Message-ID: <4DFF7800.1020504@comcast.net> Yesterday, in the vintage race at Portland's Rose Cup races, my wife Patty, suffered a major brake failure of a front caliper. Both lugs sheared off. The bolts are still tight and hold the broken portions of the lugs to the upright. I cannot remember where I got these calipers, (can't find the receipt), but they were new last summer. I wasn't really impressed with them because the casting looked really rough, and they were a bit oversized - I had to grind off the outer corner to get them to clear the Panasport wheels. I'm passing this on as a word of warning to others. Can anyone recommend a source for good quality calipers? Thanks in advance - Jim Norlin From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jun 20 11:13:25 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:13:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms NOT a success In-Reply-To: <8CDFD78683C1F13-B98-326E8@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDFD78683C1F13-B98-326E8@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D5FB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> We had less success this weekend. Chased a bad miss all weekend and ultimately popped a pushrod loose, shaving a bunch of aluminum off of the rocker. Another rebuild on the way. The upside is that it freed up a good coil for the Alexanders' efforts. Great work, guys! You looked very good out there. Presently having my ass kicked by equipment, Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:47 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms a success Our report...there should be more from others. 1st outing with new engine since failure at Topeka Heat soaking a declining coil brought #197 in to the paddock after five laps for two of the races. Replaced coil with one loaned by Scott Barr and it was gang busters for the one hour enduro. Sean was down to 1:29 during the enduro and running consistent lap times. Notably......son Mark ran Blackhawk for the first time in almost 20 years and has had limited track time anywhere since. He ran 1:33s immediately and ran 1:31s as his best lap. This is pretty impressive, methinks. Mark's back.....!!! Lessons learned....20 year coil should have been replaced long ago. duh! Father's Day had 9 Alexanders and three generations at the track and frequent FOT visitors to our paddock campsite. Very cool! New engine dry with superior engine assembly by Sean and Brendan....and crankcase vacuum system. Looks like we are in the business of vintage racing with Brendan coming along in the next couple of years. Now to focus on the AMBRO and the 10th Running of the Kastner Cup at Road Atlanta. Joe, Sean, Mark, Brendan _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jun 20 11:49:12 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:49:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms a success In-Reply-To: <8CDFD78683C1F13-B98-326E8@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDFD78683C1F13-B98-326E8@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:46 AM, wrote: > Our report...there should be more from others. > > The Blackhawk Classic was NOT a good outing for Friendly Ghost Racing. > After Friday practice the weekend looked promising. We seemed to have solved > accesive front tire wear problems by minor front end maintance and replacing > front tie rod ends (very nice ones sourced from Spit Bits). Anyway, shifting > got a little funny feeling towards the end of the first session Saturday > morning. Entering the pit lane I could not get the car into second gear, nor > first gear entering the paddock. Finally able to get first gear and made it > to our spot at which point the car jumped out of gear and made an aweful > grinding noise as the car popped out of first gear. Pulled the tunnel cover > to find tons of aluminum dust and bits of very small aluminum shavings all > over the trans and chassis rails. With no Tilton clutch spares or extra > flywheel on hand, no attempt was made to fix it out there in the heat and > dirt. I am eager to break everything down tonight to see what exactly > happened. but suspect something went wrong with the clutch and flywheel and > most definately something is terminal in that area. > I'll be looking for some help in this area once I figure out what exactly broke. This Tilton set-up came with the car and besides basic notes on clutch disk thicknesses and two part #'s, no real info on what all this stuff is and where it came from is known. I'm sure I will need some new parts and will be looking for info on what I need and where to get it. My first DNS... Beaten by equipment. Socially, a great FOT weekend hanging out for wine and cheese with Triumph Legends Bill Damndinger and Bob Wismer whose cars are beautifully prepared. A treat to talk about Laguna and FOT stuff with Joe Alexander. A Mexican fiesta with Murphy Racing, Barrs, Husmann, Tom Strange, and as always my main man GT6 Master John Reed. FOT Rules! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 # 27 From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 20 12:16:58 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:16:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] shirts and posters Message-ID: <8CDFD8D60E49D9C-125C-7C41@Webmail-m120.sysops.aol.com> FOT, There was an unexpected run on Laguna shirts at Blackhawk. This was good for me as it whittled down that godawful stack of various shirts. Do not shoot this volunteer. THERE IS: ONE ONLY 2XL LONG FOUR 2XL SHORT FOUR 3XL SHORT I might have 5 posters that are unspoken for. Those will go with any further shirt orders at no additional cost. There might be more shirts in California, but I dont know what is there.....We are looking for one for Barry Munson right now as he has paid already. The vendor that was engaged by John Nikas offered to print more shirts, but that should handled by the KCUP COMMITTEE out in California. First responders get the remaining shirts I have. Regards, BETWEEN A ROCK AND A SHIRT PLACE Joe A. From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jun 20 12:49:54 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:49:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms NOT a success Message-ID: <6f1a9.39fa4f0c.3b30f052@aol.com> In a message dated 06/20/2011 12:46:52 PM Central Daylight Time, sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes: > <---We had less success this weekend. Chased a bad miss all weekend and > ultimately popped a pushrod loose, shaving a bunch of aluminum off of > the rocker. Another rebuild on the way. The upside is that it freed up a > good coil for the Alexanders' efforts. Great work, guys! You looked very > good out there. > Presently having my ass kicked by equipment,---> When I consider the effort Scott Barr (papa Jerry, and Tom Strange) put into engine building and race car prep...sure seems like they ought to be beating all comers. No so this past week end however, but one can't help but be impressed by their fortitude. Trackside efforts even included a 300 mile trip back and forth to the Fox River Valley for parts. There was a time when Beady Eye racing used to perform such extraordinary efforts to keep a race car on the track. No more. When something breaks now, it's almost a relief to hide behind. Wismer's TR4 ran great, and my TR3 ran OK, but stopped wanting to go into 4th gear in the Saturday Sprint race, so I skipped the feature on Sunday. You can actually get into a nice, pleasant rhythm doing Blackhawk using just 2nd and 3rd gears, but you sure miss 4th on the two long straights. Our Wine & Cheese parties on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights were a great success. In addition to Vermont Cheddar, some Muenster, and our ever popular Mendora Bleu, we featured a new Wisconsin Brie from nearby Belmont. It was well received and went well on rye crisp crackers. Got to meet Jason Ostrowski's (GT6) family. He has two of the cutest little daughters, and both will talk your arm off. His wife's cute too. He's got more than his fair share of good looking women and thus is liable to cause a shortage. Blackhawk Farms Raceway has all of the elevation changes of a frozen lake, but its interesting collection of corners makes it a great 'driver's track' and premier club circuit. What a way to spend Father's Day. Bill Dentinger From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jun 20 12:49:11 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:49:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] valves, seat pressure and guide clearance? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D601@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Had a rough weekend, running the Spitfire at the Blackhawk Classic. I had a terrible miss which we chased all weekend. Substituting a new distributor, coil, plugs, wires, cap, rotors changed nothing. Changing needles had no effect (the EGTs showed one carb running well (1400 degrees) and one not well (1100 degrees), and the air-fuel meter showed VERY rich when the engine was running poorly. Ultimately, it started running on 3 cylinders and we discovered a pushrod popped loose (on #7, intake). Lots of aluminum in the upper end, done for the weekend, time for another rebuild. This is a 1296 small-crank motor, with an A-10-A cam, larger (Ford) lifters, roller rockers, APT's "full race" valve springs, etc. The A-10-A is a 0.517 lift, 265 duration. I spent the 3-hour drive home developing theories about what went wrong here. One theory is that the 100 pounds of seat pressure wasn't enough to keep the valves from floating and I ultimately popped the #6 pushrod loose. My notes from the head assembly show that we used 0.060" valve shims to get to 105-ish pounds of seat pressure. Full open pressure, according to the chart APT sent me, is 278 pounds. Another theory, floated by a more knowledgeable source than I, is that it was a sticking valve that caused both the miss and the popped pushrod. I've had a stuck valve with this engine before, leading to some pretty comprehensive damage. Jack always recommended a lot of valve guide clearance. The machinist I use (roundy-round V8 builder) really doesn't like to use a lot of clearance. I can't locate the spec he used on this head, but my recollection says it was something in the neighborhood of 0.0025". That could be wrong. The sticky valve theory might well be corroborated by the fact that one EGT was consistently low while the other was fine. So the questions: (1) should 100 pounds of seat pressure be sufficient? And (2) what's the right valve clearance to avoid sticking valves? Scott B. From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Mon Jun 20 13:08:15 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:08:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] shirts and posters In-Reply-To: <8CDFD8D60E49D9C-125C-7C41@Webmail-m120.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDFD8D60E49D9C-125C-7C41@Webmail-m120.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I brought back 21 shirts for Gee, Bruner, Knight, Shea, Shuman, Ascencio, Mizutani, Weins, Davis and 4 SCTOA people. Barry has one which leaves 7. I don't have any for myself yet but I'll take 2. There are 4 XL short sleeves and 1 L. If any of the guys mentioned do not want shirts let me know and That should free up some more. On Jun 20, 2011 11:34 AM, wrote: > FOT, > > There was an unexpected run on Laguna shirts at Blackhawk. > > This was good for me as it whittled down that godawful stack of various > shirts. > > Do not shoot this volunteer. > > THERE IS: > > ONE ONLY 2XL LONG > > FOUR 2XL SHORT > > FOUR 3XL SHORT > > I might have 5 posters that are unspoken for. > > Those will go with any further shirt orders at no additional cost. > > There might be more shirts in California, but I dont know what is there.....We > are looking for one for Barry Munson right now as he has paid already. > > The vendor that was engaged by John Nikas offered to print more shirts, but > that should handled by the KCUP COMMITTEE out in California. > > First responders get the remaining shirts I have. > > Regards, > > BETWEEN A ROCK AND A SHIRT PLACE > > Joe A. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jun 20 13:08:25 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:08:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems Message-ID: <000001cc2f7d$6f3fee60$4dbfcb20$@com> The first 2 practice sessions went really good with no problems. I got turns 4 and 5 figured out by using the advice from Tony Drews last year to throw away turn 3A and just line up for 4 and 5. The car was working really good through there then. In the qualifying session it was running really good again but about = way through the session accelerating in 3rd gear it would come up to 3000 RPM and then just hit a wall and not go any higher. Not missing, just not accelerating, then after a couple of seconds it would take off and run right up to 5000 or 5500. A bit later it did the same thing in 4th, up shift and it would only go so far and hang there and then after a couple second, take off again. It did this intermittently around the track. After about 2 laps of this I came in. We found the alternator was not putting out any voltage and further checking showed our Optima Red battery was 5-1/2 years old and low on voltage. We charged it before the sprint race and the car ran well for about 4 laps and then started the same problem. I came in early again. We did notice that the battery didnt seem to be charging right. That was the last session and we went into town and got a new Optima Red battery. We made sure it was fully charged by putting it on our charger in the motel room overnight. For the feature race on Sunday the car ran great, for about 10 or 11 of the 14 laps. Then the problem cropped up again, but not as bad. I was able to finish the race. We did check the resistance of the coil (Lucas Sport) just as I came off the track on Saturday and the primary was a little high, 3.5 ohms instead of the normal 2.9  3.0. In the feature race, the car was again really working good! I could really run hard and hold a good line through the corners with a lot of power. About midway through the tires started to go off (Speedsters) and it got harder to hold it in the corners and I finally had to back off a little. I was getting some wheel spin off of some of the corners which was a little odd as we have a Detroit Locker. Is there a way to check out the Locker by manually turning the wheels with the car off of the ground? And, is there anything to check by taking the cover off of the diff and looking in? A great weekend with my partner and son Ryan crewing this time. What a fantastic way to spend Fathers Day! And, no rain and dry paddock, a rarity at Blackhawk. My best lap, in the Feature, was a 1.31.2, 2.5 seconds better than my best lap time last year. So it was definitely a success for me! Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 20 13:16:38 2011 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Waterford Hills Vintage Message-ID: <787139.29082.qm@web80802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici, I talked to Jeff Snook yesterday at EyesOn Design Car Show in Grosse Pointe Shores, Michigan and discovered that the PR folks at Waterford haven't gotten the word out about their Vintage race 29-31 July. More information can be found at: www.waterfordhills.com and click on the vintage link. Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jun 20 14:53:53 2011 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:53:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems Message-ID: <5c96.76157e17.3b310d61@aol.com> In a message dated 06/20/2011 2:30:28 PM Central Daylight Time, timmurph at fastbytes.com writes: > <<< We did check the > resistance of the coil (Lucas Sport) just as I came off the track on > Saturday and the primary was a little high, 3.5 ohms instead of the normal > 2.9  3.0. >>> > Tim...I am not sure what ignition system you are using, but some > electronic systems do not like a 'Sport Coil'. They much prefer a standard coil. > <<< I was getting some wheel spin off of some of the corners > which was a little odd as we have a Detroit Locker. Is there a way to > check > out the Locker by manually turning the wheels with the car off of the > ground? And, is there anything to check by taking the cover off of the > diff > and looking in? >> Tim...Yes: 1. Get both rear wheels off the ground and completely free; 2. Place transmission in gear; 3. With an assistant on the other side, start the test by rotating both wheels in a forward direction as far as possible (normally both wheels will be stopped after rotating only a few inches); 4. With one person firmly holding the right wheel forward (against the stop), rotate the left wheel rearward while listening for a regular indexing or clicking sound. (the right wheel must be held firmly against the stop or the left wheel will not disengage freely). 5. Now do the reverse and rotate both wheels rearward as far as possible (again both wheels will be stopped after rotating only a few inches); 6. Again with one person firmly holding the right wheel rearward (against the stop), rotate the left wheel forward while listening for a regular indexing or clicking sound. (the right wheel must be held firmly against the stop or the left wheel will not disengage freely). 7. REPEAT steps 3, 4, 5, and 6 only this time holding the left wheel firm during each process; Bill Dentinger From jkhagen at charter.net Mon Jun 20 15:07:11 2011 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Waterford Hills Vintage Message-ID: <437ecd6f.d000b.130aee0e231.Webtop.45@charter.net> FYI/FOT, SCCA and VSCR are racing at Brainerd 7/8- 7/9 Info at SCCA/LOL John Hagen On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Doug Mitchell wrote: > Amici, > > I talked to Jeff Snook yesterday at EyesOn Design Car Show in Grosse > Pointe Shores, Michigan > and discovered that the PR folks at Waterford haven't gotten the word > out about their Vintage > race 29-31 July. More information can be found at: > www.waterfordhills.com and click on the vintage > link. > > Doug Mitchell > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jun 20 15:59:13 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:59:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems In-Reply-To: <5c96.76157e17.3b310d61@aol.com> References: <5c96.76157e17.3b310d61@aol.com> Message-ID: <000601cc2f95$4b438310$e1ca8930$@com> Thanks Bill, that procedure is just what I was looking for. I thought there was probably a way to do it but didn't know how. Much appreciated. When Ryan comes out this week we will try that. We are using a standard points and coil ignition system. I'm starting to think that we should change to another type after spending a good part of this afternoon reading up on ignition systems on the internet. I amazed myself again at how much I didn't know! The coil charge time at 6000 RPM probably isn't enough to really saturate the core in the coil. At the very least I think I will increase the dwell on the points from the "nominal" 58 degrees to around 65 degrees. Seeing as how the engine is hardly ever under 2000 RPM I'm not too worried about over heating the coil at low RPM with too much charge current. I've got more research to do. What is on my mind though is that "back in the day", before there was electronic ignitions, I'm pretty sure folks were running 4 cylinder engines way past 6000 RPM with good results. Maybe they did some stuff I'm not aware of to accomplish that. Anybody on the list have any ideas on that? One last point, I just measured a standard TR4 coil primary resistance and it is 1.5 ohms. The 3 or 4 Lucas Sport coils I've measured are all about 3.0 ohms. I don't understand that either. Tim From: BillDentin at aol.com [mailto:BillDentin at aol.com] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 3:54 PM To: timmurph at fastbytes.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems In a message dated 06/20/2011 2:30:28 PM Central Daylight Time, timmurph at fastbytes.com writes: <<< We did check the resistance of the coil (Lucas Sport) just as I came off the track on Saturday and the primary was a little high, 3.5 ohms instead of the normal 2.9 3.0. >>> Tim...I am not sure what ignition system you are using, but some electronic systems do not like a 'Sport Coil'. They much prefer a standard coil. <<< I was getting some wheel spin off of some of the corners which was a little odd as we have a Detroit Locker. Is there a way to check out the Locker by manually turning the wheels with the car off of the ground? And, is there anything to check by taking the cover off of the diff and looking in? >> Tim...Yes: 1. Get both rear wheels off the ground and completely free; 2. Place transmission in gear; 3. With an assistant on the other side, start the test by rotating both wheels in a forward direction as far as possible (normally both wheels will be stopped after rotating only a few inches); 4. With one person firmly holding the right wheel forward (against the stop), rotate the left wheel rearward while listening for a regular indexing or clicking sound. (the right wheel must be held firmly against the stop or the left wheel will not disengage freely). 5. Now do the reverse and rotate both wheels rearward as far as possible (again both wheels will be stopped after rotating only a few inches); 6. Again with one person firmly holding the right wheel rearward (against the stop), rotate the left wheel forward while listening for a regular indexing or clicking sound. (the right wheel must be held firmly against the stop or the left wheel will not disengage freely). 7. REPEAT steps 3, 4, 5, and 6 only this time holding the left wheel firm during each process; Bill Dentinger From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jun 20 18:36:52 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:36:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems In-Reply-To: <000601cc2f95$4b438310$e1ca8930$@com> References: <5c96.76157e17.3b310d61@aol.com> <000601cc2f95$4b438310$e1ca8930$@com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > > Anybody on the list have any ideas on that? > > Tim, > My guess is that most everyone is going to tell you that electronic > ignition is the way to go. > It may very well be. > However, Maybe as devils advocate, My car has always had points, runs well > normally, in the 6000 to 7300 range and could do more if needed. > I have taken a simple philosophy with my car that seems to have been > serving me well. The guys that built it knew what they were doing and raced > it hard for 30 years. So in most cases, I put my attention on maintaining > it, "as raced" which already takes all the time and money that I have. I > keep a close eye on the wear in the distributor and have had none thus far. > In my case, and I may be a lucky one, I'm still on the same set of points > from its last professional rebuild at least 14 years ago (the car sat for 12 > years) so for me after 9 racing weekends so far... not a misfire yet. So > again, I thought I would change to electronic ignition as well. But, with > many spare sets of points and condensers remaining in the spares box. I > think I'll use them up before switching over just yet... Call me crazy?!? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing From billb at bnj.com Mon Jun 20 19:11:10 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:11:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems In-Reply-To: References: <5c96.76157e17.3b310d61@aol.com> <000601cc2f95$4b438310$e1ca8930$@com> Message-ID: I stuck with points on Peyote for years. I did, however, use a mallory dual point disty. The lucas distributors in my experience wear quickly and give inconsistent timing. A pertronix is the easiest way to fix that since the runout has little effect on the timing. But you need 14 V for them to work really well. If you don't have an alternator then you might have problems--at least they used to. Garmey fitted an alternator on Peyote so he could be sure I wouldn't have dead battery issues and so we could run electronics. I'm still arguing with him about it, but it's been dead reliable after some initial teething issues. On Jun 20, 2011, at 5:36 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > >> >> Anybody on the list have any ideas on that? >> >> Tim, >> My guess is that most everyone is going to tell you that electronic >> ignition is the way to go. >> It may very well be. >> However, Maybe as devils advocate, My car has always had points, runs well >> normally, in the 6000 to 7300 range and could do more if needed. >> I have taken a simple philosophy with my car that seems to have been >> serving me well. The guys that built it knew what they were doing and raced >> it hard for 30 years. So in most cases, I put my attention on maintaining >> it, "as raced" which already takes all the time and money that I have. I >> keep a close eye on the wear in the distributor and have had none thus far. >> In my case, and I may be a lucky one, I'm still on the same set of points >> from its last professional rebuild at least 14 years ago (the car sat for 12 >> years) so for me after 9 racing weekends so far... not a misfire yet. So >> again, I thought I would change to electronic ignition as well. But, with >> many spare sets of points and condensers remaining in the spares box. I >> think I'll use them up before switching over just yet... Call me crazy?!? >> >> Jason Ostrowski >> Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 skype: bill.babcockkenalu www.bnj.com From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net Mon Jun 20 20:38:36 2011 From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure In-Reply-To: <4DFF7800.1020504@comcast.net> References: <4DFF7800.1020504@comcast.net> Message-ID: <367333.22499.qm@web180315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Mine are from Spitbits. They were put on by the previous owner and so far - so good. Note the Spitbits has two different calipers available. The 'made in China' for $115 and the 'OE Quality' for $220. Mine are the later. Just curious. If you look at the fractured area, was it half shiny and half rusty. I've seen a few axles (stubs & solids) that look like that. Usually indicated that it was previously damaged by a hard impact and partially fractured, and later on failed from fatigue. Tim ________________________________ From: Jim Norlin To: FOT Sent: Mon, June 20, 2011 9:40:32 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure Yesterday, in the vintage race at Portland's Rose Cup races, my wife Patty, suffered a major brake failure of a front caliper. Both lugs sheared off. The bolts are still tight and hold the broken portions of the lugs to the upright. I cannot remember where I got these calipers, (can't find the receipt), but they were new last summer. I wasn't really impressed with them because the casting looked really rough, and they were a bit oversized - I had to grind off the outer corner to get them to clear the Panasport wheels. I'm passing this on as a word of warning to others. Can anyone recommend a source for good quality calipers? Thanks in advance - Jim Norlin _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/1964spitfire at pacbell.net -s From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jun 20 21:19:08 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:19:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems In-Reply-To: <230694.87042.qm@web180316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <5c96.76157e17.3b310d61@aol.com> <000601cc2f95$4b438310$e1ca8930$@com> <230694.87042.qm@web180316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000d01cc2fc1$fd580720$f8081560$@com> Good point. I'm going to check the workshop manual schematic and see what it shows and also Ryan's street TR4 and see what it has in it. Tim From: Tim Pettenati [mailto:pettenat at pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 9:51 PM To: Tim Murphy Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems The Lucas Sport is designed to be used without a ballast resistor. The originals TR4 must have been designed to be used with a 1.5 ohm ballast. Tim _____ From: Tim Murphy One last point, I just measured a standard TR4 coil primary resistance and it is 1.5 ohms. The 3 or 4 Lucas Sport coils I've measured are all about 3.0 ohms. I don't understand that either. Tim From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Jun 20 21:56:19 2011 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 03:56:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems In-Reply-To: <1599692674.1829675.1308628530876.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1976038557.1829702.1308628579963.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hey guys, I recently had a stock distributor rebuild and upgraded by Jeff at Advanced Distributors for my TR3A, after reading Kas' new book. It's looks as nice as it possibly could be. I haven't run it yet, but I'm confident it will work great. Jeff said his rebuilds are about 50/50, points/electronic for race car rebuilds and both systems have their own issues. I went with Pertronics. If you're curious, check out his websites' many testimonials on cars being awakened by his work. A worksheet is sent with the dist. regarding your engine build and he sets them up for that engine. He'll do recurves for $20 if you change something. The price was great with cap and wires included. Regards, Dave Hogye NFI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Jason Ostrowski" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 6:11:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems I stuck with points on Peyote for years. I did, however, use a mallory dual point disty. The lucas distributors in my experience wear quickly and give inconsistent timing. A pertronix is the easiest way to fix that since the runout has little effect on the timing. But you need 14 V for them to work really well. If you don't have an alternator then you might have problems--at least they used to. Garmey fitted an alternator on Peyote so he could be sure I wouldn't have dead battery issues and so we could run electronics. I'm still arguing with him about it, but it's been dead reliable after some initial teething issues. On Jun 20, 2011, at 5:36 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > >> >> Anybody on the list have any ideas on that? >> >> Tim, >> My guess is that most everyone is going to tell you that electronic >> ignition is the way to go. >> It may very well be. >> However, Maybe as devils advocate, My car has always had points, runs well >> normally, in the 6000 to 7300 range and could do more if needed. >> I have taken a simple philosophy with my car that seems to have been >> serving me well. The guys that built it knew what they were doing and raced >> it hard for 30 years. So in most cases, I put my attention on maintaining >> it, "as raced" which already takes all the time and money that I have. I >> keep a close eye on the wear in the distributor and have had none thus far. >> In my case, and I may be a lucky one, I'm still on the same set of points >> from its last professional rebuild at least 14 years ago (the car sat for 12 >> years) so for me after 9 racing weekends so far... not a misfire yet. So >> again, I thought I would change to electronic ignition as well. But, with >> many spare sets of points and condensers remaining in the spares box. I >> think I'll use them up before switching over just yet... Call me crazy?!? >> >> Jason Ostrowski >> Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 skype: bill.babcockkenalu www.bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From haretoday at comcast.net Mon Jun 20 23:19:19 2011 From: haretoday at comcast.net (haretoday at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 05:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure In-Reply-To: <367333.22499.qm@web180315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <511022402.1516684.1308633559676.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hi Jim and Patty What a scary moment that has to be.B I've been sending my original calipers and cylinders to Goldline Brakes in Seattle to get overhauled.B A knowledgeable and skilled one man shop..B And the cost isn't that much different. Jim-see you at Baxter's SteveB B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Pettenati" <1964spitfire at pacbell.net> To: "Jim Norlin" , "FOT" Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 7:38:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure Jim, Mine are from Spitbits. They were put on by the previous owner and so far - so good. B Note the Spitbits has two different calipers available. B The 'made in China' for $115 and the 'OE Quality' for $220. B Mine are the later. Just curious. If you look at the fractured area, was it half shiny and half rusty. B I've seen a few axles (stubs & solids) that look like that. B Usually indicated that it was previously damaged by a hard impact and partially fractured, and later on failed from fatigue. Tim ________________________________ From: Jim Norlin To: FOT Sent: Mon, June 20, 2011 9:40:32 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure Yesterday, in the vintage race at Portland's Rose Cup races, my wife Patty, suffered a major brake failure of a front caliper. B Both lugs sheared off. B The bolts are still tight and hold the broken portions of the lugs to the upright. B I cannot remember where I got these calipers, (can't find the receipt), but they were new last summer. B I wasn't really impressed with them because the casting looked really rough, and they were a bit oversized - I had to grind off the outer corner to get them to clear the Panasport wheels. I'm passing this on as a word of warning to others. Can anyone recommend a source for good quality calipers? Thanks in advance - Jim Norlin _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/1964spitfire at pacbell.net -s _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/haretoday at comcast.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 21 07:05:06 2011 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms, Success with some problems In-Reply-To: <1976038557.1829702.1308628579963.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1976038557.1829702.1308628579963.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <166027.73625.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I recently did the same thing after an ignition failure this Spring at VIR. My Lucas dizzy came back from Advanced Distributor looking like a work of art.... not dizzy any more. Dennis p.s. I stopped at Dave Hogye's place in Santa Cruz on my way to the Kastner Cup - he has the nicest TR3 race car that I have ever seen. I can't wait to see it on the track. Hey guys, I recently had a stock distributor rebuild and upgraded by Jeff at Advanced Distributors for my TR3A, after reading Kas' new book. It's looks as nice as it possibly could be. I haven't run it yet, but I'm confident it will work great. Jeff said his rebuilds are about 50/50, points/electronic for race car rebuilds and both systems have their own issues. I went with Pertronics. If you're curious, check out his websites' many testimonials on cars being awakened by his work. A worksheet is sent with the dist. regarding your engine build and he sets them up for that engine. He'll do recurves for $20 if you change something. The price was great with cap and wires included. Regards, Dave Hogye NFI From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jun 21 08:18:43 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:18:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Advanced Performance Technologies RIVERSIDE, CA In-Reply-To: <8CDFE350115EA4D-22A0-3A242@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D5FE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050D326F@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D61E@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <8CDFE350115EA4D-22A0-3A242@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDFE3542EB0CF5-22A0-3A29C@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> Just a note: APT is Dave Anton and Dave is moving into wetsleeve engines, in addition to BMC and Spitfire engines. He has an expansive and comprehensive machine shop and clean room. Cam grinding and dyno work are included in his activities. He is a member of British Motor Trade Association and can be found in the BMTA membership directory. The membership directory contains other names that you might find interesting. Others may have a few words about APT. I visited his shop last November and usually see him at BMTA meetings. Joe A ubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/cwe/n197tr4 at cs.com From horizonracing at msn.com Tue Jun 21 10:20:28 2011 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:20:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Advanced Performance Technologies RIVERSIDE, CA In-Reply-To: <8CDFE3542EB0CF5-22A0-3A29C@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D5FE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050D326F@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local>, <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D61E@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>, <8CDFE350115EA4D-22A0-3A242@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com>, <8CDFE3542EB0CF5-22A0-3A29C@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: As a side note: www.horizonracing.com Tony Garmey who restored the TR 250K (and drives it), care taker of Bill Harts Devin TR and Bill Babcocks Peyote plus TR4's and a TR 3 also in the stable. We do custom and one off type projects not limited too but including tubular sway bars ,lite weight widets and things, Engine/g-box/diff rebuilds, Arrive n drive track side service, full restorations, driver training. From Can am to Formula vee, Lotus, Brabham, Cooper, Lola, McLaren, MG, (PA,PB, Magna, MGB's), porsche, Lister and we even have a straight axle 62 corvette. Please PM me if you have any questions or projects you wish to discuss. Thanks Tony Garmey > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:18:43 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] Advanced Performance Technologies RIVERSIDE, CA > > Just a note: > > > > > > > > > > > APT is Dave Anton and Dave is moving into wetsleeve engines, in addition to > BMC and Spitfire engines. > > He has an expansive and comprehensive machine shop and clean room. > > Cam grinding and dyno work are included in his activities. > > He is a member of British Motor Trade Association and can be found in the BMTA > membership directory. The membership directory contains other names that you > might find interesting. > > Others may have a few words about APT. I visited his shop last November and > usually see him at BMTA meetings. > > Joe A > > > > > > > > > > > ubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/cwe/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jun 21 11:55:42 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:55:42 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa Summer Classic 2011 with CSCC In-Reply-To: References: <008e01cc27a9$0aa95e90$1ffc1bb0$@camoletti.ch>, <002f01cc29f5$dd32ebd0$9798c370$@com> Message-ID: <003401cc303c$72399890$56acc9b0$@com> There are some photos available: http://www.triumph-competition.de/fotos/2011 Cheers Chris From stutzmans at comcast.net Tue Jun 21 11:56:24 2011 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:56:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms NOT a success In-Reply-To: <6f1a9.39fa4f0c.3b30f052@aol.com> References: <6f1a9.39fa4f0c.3b30f052@aol.com> Message-ID: Bill, I miss your wine & cheese parties at Watkins Glen some years ago. Alas, nobody goes to Watkins anymore. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms NOT a success > In a message dated 06/20/2011 12:46:52 PM Central Daylight Time, > sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes: > > >> <---We had less success this weekend. Chased a bad miss all weekend and >> ultimately popped a pushrod loose, shaving a bunch of aluminum off of >> the rocker. Another rebuild on the way. The upside is that it freed up >> a >> good coil for the Alexanders' efforts. Great work, guys! You looked >> very >> good out there. >> Presently having my ass kicked by equipment,---> > > When I consider the effort Scott Barr (papa Jerry, and Tom Strange) put > into engine building and race car prep...sure seems like they ought to be > beating all comers. No so this past week end however, but one can't help > but be > impressed by their fortitude. Trackside efforts even included a 300 mile > trip back and forth to the Fox River Valley for parts. There was a time > when > Beady Eye racing used to perform such extraordinary efforts to keep a race > car on the track. No more. When something breaks now, it's almost a > relief > to hide behind. Wismer's TR4 ran great, and my TR3 ran OK, but stopped > wanting to go into 4th gear in the Saturday > Sprint race, so I skipped the feature on Sunday. You can actually get > into > a nice, pleasant rhythm doing Blackhawk using just 2nd and 3rd gears, but > you sure miss 4th on the two long straights. > > Our Wine & Cheese parties on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights were a > great success. In addition to Vermont Cheddar, some Muenster, and our > ever > popular Mendora Bleu, we featured a new Wisconsin Brie from nearby > Belmont. > It was well received and went well on rye crisp crackers. Got to meet > Jason > Ostrowski's (GT6) family. He has two of the cutest little daughters, and > both will talk your arm off. His wife's cute too. He's got more than his > fair share of good looking women and thus is liable to cause a shortage. > > Blackhawk Farms Raceway has all of the elevation changes of a frozen lake, > but its interesting collection of corners makes it a great 'driver's > track' > and premier club circuit. What a way to spend Father's Day. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From ac at camoletti.ch Wed Jun 22 00:14:57 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:14:57 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Advanced Distributors, great work! Message-ID: <011601cc30a3$b62cbed0$22863c70$@camoletti.ch> Indeed, I got 2 distributors rebuilt by Jeff (www.advanceddistributors.com) recently, one for the TR3 the other for an early Turbo Esprit with dry sump engine and Jeff sent me back beautiful pieces with custom curves as both are prepped engines. As Dennis writes: works of art ! Kind of miracle when you know how they looked (and worked) before... Jeff has a tremendous knowledge and top notch workmanship, and is a very nice friendly chap as well ! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Dennis DeLap Envoyi : mardi 21 juin 2011 15:05 @ : davehogye; Bill Babcock Cc : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Advanced Distributors, great work! I recently did the same thing after an ignition failure this Spring at VIR. My Lucas dizzy came back from Advanced Distributor looking like a work of art.... not dizzy any more. Dennis p.s. I stopped at Dave Hogye's place in Santa Cruz on my way to the Kastner Cup - he has the nicest TR3 race car that I have ever seen. I can't wait to see it on the track. Hey guys, I recently had a stock distributor rebuild and upgraded by Jeff at Advanced Distributors for my TR3A, after reading Kas' new book. It's looks as nice as it possibly could be. I haven't run it yet, but I'm confident it will work great. Jeff said his rebuilds are about 50/50, points/electronic for race car rebuilds and both systems have their own issues. I went with Pertronics. If you're curious, check out his websites' many testimonials on cars being awakened by his work. A worksheet is sent with the dist. regarding your engine build and he sets them up for that engine. He'll do recurves for $20 if you change something. The price was great with cap and wires included. Regards, Dave Hogye NFI _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed Jun 22 09:29:41 2011 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Advanced Distributors, great work! In-Reply-To: <011601cc30a3$b62cbed0$22863c70$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <2010456766.10650.1308756581322.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I would concur with both David and Alex regarding Advanced Distributors. I spoke with Jeff about my TR4 racercar, answered a few questions for him about engine specs and a couple of weeks later I had a new Lucas distributor with Pertronix on my doorstep with a custom advance curve. I bought a second unit as a back up and would certainly recommend Jeff's company - good work, fast service and excellent product. Gary 1962 TR4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexandre Camoletti" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:14:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Advanced Distributors, great work! Indeed, I got 2 distributors rebuilt by Jeff (www.advanceddistributors.com) recently, one for the TR3 the other for an early Turbo Esprit with dry sump engine and Jeff sent me back beautiful pieces with custom curves as both are prepped engines. As Dennis writes: works of art ! Kind of miracle when you know how they looked (and worked) before... Jeff has a tremendous knowledge and top notch workmanship, and is a very nice friendly chap as well ! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Dennis DeLap Envoyi : mardi 21 juin 2011 15:05 @ : davehogye; Bill Babcock Cc : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Advanced Distributors, great work! I recently did the same thing after an ignition failure this Spring at VIR. My Lucas dizzy came back from Advanced Distributor looking like a work of art.... not dizzy any more. Dennis p.s. I stopped at Dave Hogye's place in Santa Cruz on my way to the Kastner Cup - he has the nicest TR3 race car that I have ever seen. I can't wait to see it on the track. Hey guys, I recently had a stock distributor rebuild and upgraded by Jeff at Advanced Distributors for my TR3A, after reading Kas' new book. It's looks as nice as it possibly could be. I haven't run it yet, but I'm confident it will work great. Jeff said his rebuilds are about 50/50, points/electronic for race car rebuilds and both systems have their own issues. I went with Pertronics. If you're curious, check out his websites' many testimonials on cars being awakened by his work. A worksheet is sent with the dist. regarding your engine build and he sets them up for that engine. He'll do recurves for $20 if you change something. The price was great with cap and wires included. Regards, Dave Hogye NFI _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintage.racer at comcast.net From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Jun 22 09:44:27 2011 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:44:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor Message-ID: <5BCF4D0FF62442F6BB05982DDD14C4FA@your89d26e0447> ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Solow To: Greg Solow Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:39 AM Subject: new oil infor Hello, A lot of racers are still using engine oils that are very low in the extreme pressure additives ZDDP and the diesel oil is NO longer good to use even with a can of ZDDP added to it. The "SM and SN" rated oils are ONLY good for the newer stock engines with roller rockers or tappets. Joe Gibbs race oil, Red Line racing, Swepco, Brad Pen with the proper classifications are about the only oils to use with flat tappet or OHC engines. other good oils that we know of are Torco, Valvolene Racing (FOR OFF ROAD USE ONLY)-------- The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Jun 22 11:45:56 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Lucas electrical explained! Message-ID: <1217484672.1481558.1308764756391.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> ELECTRICAL THEORY BY JOSEPH LUCAS Positive ground depends on proper circuit functioning, which is the transmission of negative ions by retention of the visible spectral manifestation known as bsmokeb. Smoke is the thing that makes electrical circuits work. We know this to be true because every time one lets the smoke out of an electrical circuit, it stops working. This can be verified repeatedly through empirical testing. For example, if one places a copper bar across the terminals of a battery, prodigious quantities of smoke are liberated and the battery shortly ceases to function. In addition, if one observes smoke escaping from an electrical component such as a Lucas voltage regulator, it will also be observed that the component no longer functions. The logic is elementary and inescapable! The function of the wiring harness is to conduct the smoke from one device to another. When the wiring springs a leak and lets all the smoke out of the system, nothing works afterward. Starter motors were considered unsuitable for British motorcycles for some time largely because they consumed large quantities of smoke, requiring very unsightly large wires. It has been reported that Lucas electrical components are possibly more prone to electrical leakage than their Bosch, Japanese or American counterparts. Experts point out that this is because Lucas is British, and all things British leak. British engines leak oil, British shock absorbers, hydraulic forks and disk brake systems leak fluid, British tires leak air and British Intelligence leaks national defense secrets. Therefore, it follows that British electrical systems must leak smoke. Once again, the logic is clear and inescapable. In conclusion, the basic concept of transmission of electrical energy in the form of smoke provides a logical explanation of the mysteries of electrical components especially British units manufactured by Joseph Lucas, Ltd. And remember: bA gentleman does not motor about after dark.b Joseph Lucas bThe Prince of Darknessb 1842-1903 A few Lucas quips: The Lucas motto: bGet home before dark.b Lucas is the patent holder for the short circuit. Lucas - Inventor of the first intermittent wiper. Lucas - Inventor of the self-dimming headlamp. The three-position Lucas switch--DIM, FLICKER and OFF. The other three switch settings--SMOKE, SMOLDER and IGNITE. The Original Anti-Theft Device - Lucas Electrics. If Lucas made guns, wars would not start Q: Why do the British drink warm beer? A: Because Lucas makes their refrigerators. This has been referred to as the smoke theory - when the smoke comes out it's finished, cooked or done for. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Jun 22 14:32:10 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:32:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure In-Reply-To: <511022402.1516684.1308633559676.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <511022402.1516684.1308633559676.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4E02514A.7000904@comcast.net> According to Patty, it actually wasn't all that scary. It happened in turn 7. Apparently the caliper lugs broke under braking, but because of the clamping force on the disk, didn't move until after the brakes were released. She heard a clunk between turns 7 & 8 and then slowed down trying to figure out what it was. She tried the brakes on the back straight and since by this time only the rears were still working (the adapter tube into the caliper twisted and broke, releasing fluid) she slowly pulled into the pits. I ordered a set of rebuilt Girlings from TSI today. On 6/20/2011 10:19 PM, haretoday at comcast.net wrote: > > Hi Jim and Patty > > What a scary moment that has to be. > > I've been sending my original calipers and cylinders to Goldline > Brakes in Seattle to get overhauled. A knowledgeable and skilled one > man shop.. And the cost isn't that much different. > > Jim-see you at Baxter's > > Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Pettenati" <1964spitfire at pacbell.net> > To: "Jim Norlin" , "FOT" > > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 7:38:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure > > Jim, > > Mine are from Spitbits. They were put on by the previous owner and so > far - so > good. Note the Spitbits has two different calipers available. The > 'made in > China' for $115 and the 'OE Quality' for $220. Mine are the later. > Just curious. If you look at the fractured area, was it half shiny and > half > rusty. I've seen a few axles (stubs & solids) that look like that. > Usually > indicated that it was previously damaged by a hard impact and partially > fractured, and later on failed from fatigue. > > Tim > ________________________________ > From: Jim Norlin > > To: FOT > Sent: Mon, June > 20, 2011 9:40:32 AM > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure > > Yesterday, > in the vintage race at Portland's Rose Cup races, my wife Patty, > suffered a > major brake failure of a front caliper. Both lugs sheared off. The > bolts > are still tight and hold the broken portions of the lugs to the upright. > I > cannot remember where I got these calipers, (can't find the receipt), > but they > were new last summer. I wasn't really impressed with them because the > casting > looked really rough, and they were a bit oversized - I had to grind > off the > outer corner to get them to clear the Panasport wheels. > > I'm passing this on > as a word of warning to others. > > Can anyone recommend a source for good > quality calipers? > > > Thanks in advance - Jim Norlin > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/1964spitfire at pacbell.net > > > -s > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/haretoday at comcast.net From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jun 22 18:08:44 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:08:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Tilton clutch and flywheel setup Message-ID: Amici, The assessment: Last weekend at Blackhawk farms I had a major aluminum flywheel failure. The ring gear and flywheel became two separate pieces and (the ring gear) bounced around like a hoola hoop inside the bell housing turning much of the flywheel into fine aluminum dust. It destroyed the Starter and significantly "filed down" the inside if the bell housing. On the plus side the Tilton Clutch appears unharmed as well as the Trans, input shaft, etc. looking all O.K. So with all parts I need on the shelf except the Trick Tilton Flywheel, I am looking for a replacement. I suspect the clutch and flywheel set up I have to be from the late seventies or early eighties. (as race notes from the early - mid eighties notate the regular replacement of Tilton cluch disk packs). The clutch has a gold colored case, 2 disks, and 6 mounting bolts to the flywheel. I contacted Tilton Industries today and they do not have the flywheel in stock (no real surprise) and do not make aluminum flywheels for this application anymore. They recommended a company from Califoria (Anaheim) called AASCO Motorsports that is a Tilton distributor and handles these types of orders on a regular basis. AASCO is involved with racing and specialize in Custom Flywheels especially with Tilton applications. Contacted them and they will make me a duplicate of the one I have...Send them the old tattered flywheel and clutch and they will make new aluminum one. The Question: Is there a FoT member with a source for the flywheel I need? Or perhaps someone from our group who also could make me the Flywheel? Most importantly, I need it as soon as possible... because I NEED TO RACE! Thanks for Any recommendation for a better source or if I should just send it out to AASCO Motorsports? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 23 09:36:21 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] LEAK DOWN TESTING CRANKCASE PRESSURES In-Reply-To: <8CDFFD183C57D7A-17A4-7451D@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDFFD183C57D7A-17A4-7451D@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDFFD26FBC8DFB-17A4-7461A@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> FOT This seems like it may be a good topic. I was getting an undue amount of crankcase pressure at Topeka.(Just now trying to find the time to sort out) At idle there are absolutely no engine oil leaks. At 60-100mph the oil is being pushed out in huge amounts. at every possible location. This occurs in spite of otherwise very effective vacuum system we have used with great success on the TR4 #197 Have never done a leak down test in all of these years or had one done. No experience at all. Results: 100/85 100/80 100/60 100/60 Pretty dismal readings if I did it correctly. Head is off and new rings to be installed. The benefit of FOT experience and knowledge would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! JOE A. From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jun 23 10:08:52 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:08:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LEAK DOWN TESTING CRANKCASE PRESSURES In-Reply-To: <8CDFFD26FBC8DFB-17A4-7461A@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDFFD183C57D7A-17A4-7451D@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> <8CDFFD26FBC8DFB-17A4-7461A@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: when I did this recently, i discovered I had to remove the rocker assembly to get good readings, as the air pressure pushed the pistons to BDC and at that point, one of the valves was always either starting to open or still closing with the cam I have. Did not seem to be a safe way to hold the crank at TDC where a closed valve reading would have been possible with the valve train installed. Assume you figured this out, but just to check the obvious . . . I had had the engine overheat and a head gasket fail when I lost an alternator pulley and was not watching my gauges (this car never overheated before . . . ). I had the head milled slightly to get rid of warp, but the machinist and I thought the valves and seats looked pretty good and just lapped them in. Turns out this was not enough and leak-down results were still crappy because the heat had distorted the valves and seats. Took the head apart again, recut the valve seats and valve faces, put it back together, incredible results with a worst cylinder 4% leak-down, and that's with no ring or cylinder work. Good luck! Scott GT6 On Jun 23, 2011, at 11:36 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: FOT This seems like it may be a good topic. I was getting an undue amount of crankcase pressure at Topeka.(Just now trying to find the time to sort out) At idle there are absolutely no engine oil leaks. At 60-100mph the oil is being pushed out in huge amounts. at every possible location. This occurs in spite of otherwise very effective vacuum system we have used with great success on the TR4 #197 Have never done a leak down test in all of these years or had one done. No experience at all. Results: 100/85 100/80 100/60 100/60 Pretty dismal readings if I did it correctly. Head is off and new rings to be installed. The benefit of FOT experience and knowledge would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! JOE A. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net Thu Jun 23 10:12:57 2011 From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics July 8-10 Message-ID: <979722.72161.qm@web180309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Great event. My wife and I usually attend as race officials, but unfortunately can't make it this year. If you've thought about running this event but haven't applied, now would be a good time. I spoke with Cris recently and he'd be happier if the grids were a bit fuller. So I thought I'd pass that along to the FoT. If you can't do the road course, the car club corral & auto-cross is another option. http://www.portlandhistorics.com/ Cheers, Tim From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 23 10:19:52 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] LEAK DOWN TESTING CRANKCASE PRESSURES In-Reply-To: References: <8CDFFD183C57D7A-17A4-7451D@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com><8CDFFD26FBC8DFB-17A4-7461A@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDFFD88420ACA8-1950-54B79@webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com> with our cam we were able to hold the crank in place and get readings. made mistake in not checking compression before removing head, but it is an extremely low time head. will be interested in peoples thoughts on my leak down outcomes with respect to crankcase pressures at speed. thanks Scott, Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: Joe Alexander ; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:09 am Subject: Re: [Fot] LEAK DOWN TESTING CRANKCASE PRESSURES when I did this recently, i discovered I had to remove the rocker assembly to get good readings, as the air pressure pushed the pistons to BDC and at that point, one of the valves was always either starting to open or still closing with the cam I have. Did not seem to be a safe way to hold the crank at TDC where a closed valve reading would have been possible with the valve train installed. Assume you figured this out, but just to check the obvious . . . I had had the engine overheat and a head gasket fail when I lost an alternator pulley and was not watching my gauges (this car never overheated before . . . ). I had the head milled slightly to get rid of warp, but the machinist and I thought the valves and seats looked pretty good and just lapped them in. Turns out this was not enough and leak-down results were still crappy because the heat had distorted the valves and seats. Took the head apart again, recut the valve seats and valve faces, put it back together, incredible results with a worst cylinder 4% leak-down, and that's with no ring or cylinder work. Good luck! Scott GT6 On Jun 23, 2011, at 11:36 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: FOT This seems like it may be a good topic. I was getting an undue amount of crankcase pressure at Topeka.(Just now trying to find the time to sort out) At idle there are absolutely no engine oil leaks. At 60-100mph the oil is being pushed out in huge amounts. at every possible location. This occurs in spite of otherwise very effective vacuum system we have used with great success on the TR4 #197 Have never done a leak down test in all of these years or had one done. No experience at all. Results: 100/85 100/80 100/60 100/60 Pretty dismal readings if I did it correctly. Head is off and new rings to be installed. The benefit of FOT experience and knowledge would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! JOE A. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jun 23 14:42:37 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:42:37 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LEAK DOWN TESTING CRANKCASE PRESSURES In-Reply-To: <8CDFFD26FBC8DFB-17A4-7461A@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDFFD183C57D7A-17A4-7451D@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> <8CDFFD26FBC8DFB-17A4-7461A@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001501cc31e6$19709730$4c51c590$@com> It very depends on the gauge you are using. My own gauge do read 90-60% leak on every cylinder. Another gauge shows 10-30%. Which one is right? I still run the engine as is. My engine started to leak badly after during the last race. Cause was a check valve failure on the crank case evacuation system. A new one is on the way and I hope the leak is gone with it. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Juni 2011 17:36 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] LEAK DOWN TESTING CRANKCASE PRESSURES FOT This seems like it may be a good topic. I was getting an undue amount of crankcase pressure at Topeka.(Just now trying to find the time to sort out) At idle there are absolutely no engine oil leaks. At 60-100mph the oil is being pushed out in huge amounts. at every possible location. This occurs in spite of otherwise very effective vacuum system we have used with great success on the TR4 #197 Have never done a leak down test in all of these years or had one done. No experience at all. Results: 100/85 100/80 100/60 100/60 Pretty dismal readings if I did it correctly. Head is off and new rings to be installed. The benefit of FOT experience and knowledge would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! JOE A. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From cwnfot at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 19:06:51 2011 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:06:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure In-Reply-To: <511022402.1516684.1308633559676.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <367333.22499.qm@web180315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <511022402.1516684.1308633559676.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <006601cc320b$018b09a0$04a11ce0$@com> Interesting that there are reproduction calipers being made. Are we saying that OEM calipers are no longer available for rebuilding? Are we talking GT6 calipers here or some level of Spitfire? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From alan at nosbritishparts.com Fri Jun 24 07:00:08 2011 From: alan at nosbritishparts.com (Alan ...) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 06:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure In-Reply-To: <006601cc320b$018b09a0$04a11ce0$@com> Message-ID: <110012.46388.qm@web1102.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> I think that is simply a matter of cost. I can buy these calipers for less than $80.00 each. I cannot rebuild them for that price considering my shop rate. I'm sure that I have recycled hundreds of rebuildable calipers over the last thirty years. But then I don't recall a later Lockheed or Girling caliper that could not be rebuilt. And I have never seen an original break under racing conditions. Alan at English Engine --- On Thu, 6/23/11, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Caliper Failure Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 9:06 PM Interesting that there are reproduction calipers being made. Are we saying that OEM calipers are no longer available for rebuilding? Are we talking GT6 calipers here or some level of Spitfire? From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri Jun 24 11:24:55 2011 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 Message-ID: <43804.62025.qm@web180611.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi All, just checking to see if anyone has any experience with using a MSD 6al ignition box in a TR6. MSD says that their unit doesn't work with an odd fire engine. Seems like a TR6 engine is odd fire but I'm not sure. Apparently one test as to whether or not an engine is truely odd fire is to observe the configuration of the point cams in the distributor. The TR6 points cams appear to me to be even fire. This is on a 1974 TR6 that currently runs an electonic ignitor and hot coil I got from The Roadster Factory. I have added triple 40 DCOE Webers so I'm looking for the best spark I can get. Thanks for any thoughts, Jim From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri Jun 24 12:31:27 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:31:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 Message-ID: I've been using the 6AL for about fifteen years now so if it doesn't work I've now got much better excuses for those races I lost. Thanx for that! That said, we've seen some pretty weird failures on them so carry a spare. It says a lot when they sell a dual unit setup for NASCAR. Oh BTW, mines on a GT6 racer. In a message dated 6/24/2011 11:28:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sherryjimmy6116 at att.net writes: Hi All, just checking to see if anyone has any experience with using a MSD 6al ignition box in a TR6. MSD says that their unit doesn't work with an odd fire engine. Seems like a TR6 engine is odd fire but I'm not sure. Apparently one test as to whether or not an engine is truely odd fire is to observe the configuration of the point cams in the distributor. The TR6 points cams appear to me to be even fire. This is on a 1974 TR6 that currently runs an electonic ignitor and hot coil I got from The Roadster Factory. I have added triple 40 DCOE Webers so I'm looking for the best spark I can get. Thanks for any thoughts, Jim _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From goodparts at verizon.net Fri Jun 24 13:18:11 2011 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:18:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 In-Reply-To: <43804.62025.qm@web180611.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <43804.62025.qm@web180611.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Working fine on my two TR6's. First had it triggered by points and now it is working even better triggered by a Pertronics in the distributor. Don't use more than 32,000 or maybe 40,000 volt coil or it will arc from post to post in the cap. Richard Good ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 1:24 PM Subject: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 > Hi All, just checking to see if anyone has any experience with using a MSD > 6al > ignition box in a TR6. MSD says that their unit doesn't work with an odd > fire > engine. Seems like a TR6 engine is odd fire but I'm not sure. Apparently > one > test as to whether or not an engine is truely odd fire is to observe the > configuration of the point cams in the distributor. The TR6 points cams > appear > to me to be even fire. > > This is on a 1974 TR6 that currently runs an > electonic ignitor and hot coil I > got from The Roadster Factory. I have added > triple 40 DCOE Webers so I'm > looking for the best spark I can get. > > Thanks > for any thoughts, Jim From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri Jun 24 17:05:29 2011 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] On the MSD subject Message-ID: <962491.58551.qm@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks for the input on the MSD ignition. For some reason that odd fire question is floating around. Does anyone happen to know if the MSD 6al-2 (#6421) digital ignition unit is any more reliable or considerably better for other reasons than the previous analog unit (6al - #6420). The digital unit costs half again more but if reliability increases, it could be well worth it. Thanks, Jim From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jun 25 07:46:11 2011 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 08:46:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor References: <5BCF4D0FF62442F6BB05982DDD14C4FA@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: Greg, Are you saying the street legal VR1 sold at most auto parts stores isn't OK? They put the ZDDP back into the formula and are putting little yellow labels on to promote it. I've had success with it. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Friends of Triumph" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Greg Solow > To: Greg Solow > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:39 AM > Subject: new oil infor > > > > > Hello, A lot of racers are still using engine oils that are very low in > the > extreme pressure additives ZDDP and the diesel oil is NO longer good to > use > even with a can of ZDDP added to it. The "SM and SN" rated oils are ONLY > good > for the newer stock engines with roller rockers or tappets. Joe Gibbs race > oil, Red Line racing, Swepco, Brad Pen with the proper classifications are > about the only oils to use with flat tappet or OHC engines. other good > oils > that we know of are Torco, Valvolene Racing (FOR OFF ROAD USE > ONLY)-------- > > The Engine Room > Morgan & Sports Car Specialists > Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 > 831 429-1800 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Jun 25 14:04:10 2011 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] travel through Canada Message-ID: <8CE018A2E8C63E2-1080-114CA@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> Amici FOTer's , Advice for travel through Canada towing my racecar, anything to plan for ( do's and don'ts ) ?? Sincere thanks, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat Jun 25 14:51:31 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 14:51:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20110625205441.8DACE18789C@autox.team.net> I thought there were two types of VR-1, one being full synth. The VR-1 that I've used says ZDDP added. I'm using Brad Penn now, Joe Gibbs would be great except for the 15.00 per Qt. part. If you want to talk oil and clearances call the Joe Gibbs tech line. Lake Speed will be the one answering and he really knows motors and oil. Jim G -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:46 AM To: Greg Solow; Friends of Triumph; triumphs at autox.team.net; MOG-GROUP at GOOGLE.COM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor Greg, Are you saying the street legal VR1 sold at most auto parts stores isn't OK? They put the ZDDP back into the formula and are putting little yellow labels on to promote it. I've had success with it. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Friends of Triumph" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Greg Solow > To: Greg Solow > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:39 AM > Subject: new oil infor > > > > > Hello, A lot of racers are still using engine oils that are very low in > the > extreme pressure additives ZDDP and the diesel oil is NO longer good to > use > even with a can of ZDDP added to it. The "SM and SN" rated oils are ONLY > good > for the newer stock engines with roller rockers or tappets. Joe Gibbs race > oil, Red Line racing, Swepco, Brad Pen with the proper classifications are > about the only oils to use with flat tappet or OHC engines. other good > oils > that we know of are Torco, Valvolene Racing (FOR OFF ROAD USE > ONLY)-------- > > The Engine Room > Morgan & Sports Car Specialists > Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 > 831 429-1800 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 25 19:57:13 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 21:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] LEAK DOWN TEST THANKS! In-Reply-To: <8CE01A7A8F9D77F-1780-1999C@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE01A7A8F9D77F-1780-1999C@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CE01BB80A56277-1780-1B5CD@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> FOT, Information on leakdown testing proved to be very interesting and useful, especially in the future. Primary cause appears to be inadequate liner protrusion leading to gasket failure with combustion leakage to the pushrod and tappet areas, which pressurized the crankcase beyond it's ability to vent. Secondary causes may be an early version of a Cometic Gasket and higher compression ratio than I really need to run on this engine. The head is a bit suspicious but nothing to indicate it was part of the problem. No matter.....engine being reassembled to proper liner specs and head being replaced, along with reduced compression ratio. The objective here is sort out ergonomics and suspension first. With small cockpit, 50/50 weight distribution, and lower center of gravity, the AMBRO isnt the TR4 #197 I became used to. The good news here, is that the new shop is increasingly functionally and I am finding more time to work on MY stuff. Doesnt hurt to have GRANDSON with increasing competencies working along side. Thanks again.... Joe A. _______________________________________________ Cwe mailing list Cwe at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/cwe/n197tr4 at cs.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sat Jun 25 21:25:09 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 20:25:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] travel through Canada In-Reply-To: <8CE018A2E8C63E2-1080-114CA@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE018A2E8C63E2-1080-114CA@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4E06A695.7020608@comcast.net> It's been ages since I took a race car into Canada. What I do remember is that Canadian Customs wants to make sure you are not transporting stuff to sell. Who knows what's going to happen when you confront TSA trying to come back. On 6/25/2011 1:04 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > Amici FOTer's > > , > Advice for travel through Canada towing my racecar, anything to plan for ( > do's and don'ts ) ?? > > Sincere thanks, > Bob T > '64 Spit GT autocrosser > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 26 04:13:05 2011 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 06:13:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] travel through Canada Message-ID: <000101cc33e9$a3de8e90$eb9babb0$@rr.com> It's no big deal. We do it every year when we race at Mosport. There are limits on the amount of alcohol you can carry which are on the customs web site. They will want to know if you're going to leave anything in Canada; gifts; any weapons (no guns; knives; mace; explosives) etc. Where are you going and for what purpose and when you will be leaving Canada. Two years ago they x-rayed our trailer and motorhome (we stood away from it) but had us on our way shortly. Our Canadian friends said the x-ray rig was a new purchase and they had to justify it by using it. For the past few years I also have a fairly accurate list of all the tools; fluids and spares I carry in the enclosed trailer along with my racing log book that shows 22 years of ownership of the car. It's not a problem. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Norlin Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 11:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] travel through Canada It's been ages since I took a race car into Canada. What I do remember is that Canadian Customs wants to make sure you are not transporting stuff to sell. Who knows what's going to happen when you confront TSA trying to come back. On 6/25/2011 1:04 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > Amici FOTer's > > , > Advice for travel through Canada towing my racecar, anything to plan for ( > do's and don'ts ) ?? > > Sincere thanks, > Bob T > '64 Spit GT autocrosser > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Sun Jun 26 05:28:16 2011 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 07:28:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: I no time youll rid of your problems!... http://jacunart.com.br/sites.friend.php?okjGIS=39i6 From ac at camoletti.ch Sun Jun 26 14:59:00 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 22:59:00 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001cc3443$e124f2d0$a36ed870$@camoletti.ch> Indeed I made an extensive search on the net last year when looking into electronic ignitions for my dry sump Lotus esprit. It came out that the MSD units have a very high failure rate. I read so many stories of failed units after few days/weeks/months . Jeff Schlemmer from Advanced Distributors confirmed and mentioned the figure of 50% failure rate within the first year. He recommended Crane components, as in his experience (which is very comprehensive) they are reliable. I purchased everything from Crane. Hope this helps (as I spent many hours investigating the subject) Cheers Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Gt6steve at aol.com Envoyi : vendredi 24 juin 2011 20:31 @ : sherryjimmy6116 at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 I've been using the 6AL for about fifteen years now so if it doesn't work I've now got much better excuses for those races I lost. Thanx for that! That said, we've seen some pretty weird failures on them so carry a spare. It says a lot when they sell a dual unit setup for NASCAR. Oh BTW, mines on a GT6 racer. In a message dated 6/24/2011 11:28:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sherryjimmy6116 at att.net writes: Hi All, just checking to see if anyone has any experience with using a MSD 6al ignition box in a TR6. MSD says that their unit doesn't work with an odd fire engine. Seems like a TR6 engine is odd fire but I'm not sure. Apparently one test as to whether or not an engine is truely odd fire is to observe the configuration of the point cams in the distributor. The TR6 points cams appear to me to be even fire. This is on a 1974 TR6 that currently runs an electonic ignitor and hot coil I got from The Roadster Factory. I have added triple 40 DCOE Webers so I'm looking for the best spark I can get. Thanks for any thoughts, Jim _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From billb at bnj.com Sun Jun 26 15:12:50 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 14:12:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 In-Reply-To: <000001cc3443$e124f2d0$a36ed870$@camoletti.ch> References: <000001cc3443$e124f2d0$a36ed870$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <7828A89D-794F-45EC-83E1-C0F5943EB971@bnj.com> More like HAD a high failure rate. Mostly because, like pertronics, they had no steering diodes to prevent damage from reversed polarity connection. Pertronics actually has the gall to charge a premium for their version that has protection against reverse polarity, as if it wasn't dumb engineering to do it that way in the first place. AFAIK the MSD has reverse polarity protection now, which should prevent most "failures" as in "I don't know what happened, it just quit" when you know you screwed up and got it wrong. Of course I wouldn't know anything about that. Signed, Smokey On Jun 26, 2011, at 1:59 PM, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: > Indeed I made an extensive search on the net last year when looking into > electronic ignitions for my dry sump Lotus esprit. > It came out that the MSD units have a very high failure rate. I read so many > stories of failed units after few days/weeks/months . > Jeff Schlemmer from Advanced Distributors confirmed and mentioned the figure > of 50% failure rate within the first year. He recommended Crane components, > as in his experience (which is very comprehensive) they are reliable. > I purchased everything from Crane. > Hope this helps (as I spent many hours investigating the subject) > Cheers > Alex > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la > part de Gt6steve at aol.com > Envoyi : vendredi 24 juin 2011 20:31 > @ : sherryjimmy6116 at att.net; fot at autox.team.net > Objet : Re: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 > > I've been using the 6AL for about fifteen years now so if it doesn't work > I've now got much better excuses for those races I lost. Thanx for that! > > That said, we've seen some pretty weird failures on them so carry a spare. > It says a lot when they sell a dual unit setup for NASCAR. > > Oh BTW, mines on a GT6 racer. > > > In a message dated 6/24/2011 11:28:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > sherryjimmy6116 at att.net writes: > > Hi All, just checking to see if anyone has any experience with using a MSD > 6al ignition box in a TR6. MSD says that their unit doesn't work with an > odd fire engine. Seems like a TR6 engine is odd fire but I'm not sure. > Apparently one test as to whether or not an engine is truely odd fire is to > observe the configuration of the point cams in the distributor. The TR6 > points cams appear to me to be even fire. > > This is on a 1974 TR6 that currently runs an electonic ignitor and hot coil > I got from The Roadster Factory. I have added triple 40 DCOE Webers so I'm > looking for the best spark I can get. > > Thanks > for any thoughts, Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Jun 26 16:17:05 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:17:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers Message-ID: <20110626222011.7BFBB187647@autox.team.net> Some time ago a source for tr4 caliper cooling fins was mentioned but I can't seem to locate the thread. Does anyone remember what that source was? Thanks Jim G From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jun 26 17:58:15 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:58:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ignition improvements on a TR6 In-Reply-To: <7828A89D-794F-45EC-83E1-C0F5943EB971@bnj.com> References: <000001cc3443$e124f2d0$a36ed870$@camoletti.ch> <7828A89D-794F-45EC-83E1-C0F5943EB971@bnj.com> Message-ID: <047101cc345c$ea8c2370$0301a8c0@randall> > More like HAD a high failure rate. Mostly because, like > pertronics, they had > no steering diodes to prevent damage from reversed polarity > connection. Could be, but the problem was certainly not only lack of a diode. In fact, the unit I took apart after MSD pronounced it unrepairable HAD a big diode in series with the hot lead. And since it failed while I was running down the road, I seriously doubt there was any reversed polarity event. But I will say that it was nice of the MSD tech to tell me the ratings of the charred components. With a little creative wiring around the burned section of the board, and a 5 watt resistor in place of the original 2 watt, I was able to resuscitate the unit and it worked for several more years. -- Randall From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Sun Jun 26 18:32:47 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:32:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor In-Reply-To: <2892a27c-d463-4438-8e77-c8582fb61e91@blur> References: <2892a27c-d463-4438-8e77-c8582fb61e91@blur> Message-ID: There are Not street legal versions of both petroleum and synthetic VR1's. hard to find and expensive. Bob Kramer Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Jim Gray To: 'Bob Kramer' , 'Greg Solow' , 'Friends of Triumph' , "triumphs at autox.team.net" , "MOG-GROUP at GOOGLE.COM" Sent: Sat, Jun 25, 2011 22:29:18 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor I thought there were two types of VR-1, one being full synth. The VR-1 that I've used says ZDDP added. I'm using Brad Penn now, Joe Gibbs would be great except for the 15.00 per Qt. part. If you want to talk oil and clearances call the Joe Gibbs tech line. Lake Speed will be the one answering and he really knows motors and oil. Jim G -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:46 AM To: Greg Solow; Friends of Triumph; triumphs at autox.team.net; MOG-GROUP at GOOGLE.COM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor Greg, Are you saying the street legal VR1 sold at most auto parts stores isn't OK? They put the ZDDP back into the formula and are putting little yellow labels on to promote it. I've had success with it. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Friends of Triumph" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Greg Solow > To: Greg Solow > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:39 AM > Subject: new oil infor > > > > > Hello, A lot of racers are still using engine oils that are very low in > the > extreme pressure additives ZDDP and the diesel oil is NO longer good to > use > even with a can of ZDDP added to it. The "SM and SN" rated oils are ONLY > good > for the newer stock engines with roller rockers or tappets. Joe Gibbs race > oil, Red Line racing, Swepco, Brad Pen with the proper classifications are > about the only oils to use with flat tappet or OHC engines. other good > oils > that we know of are Torco, Valvolene Racing (FOR OFF ROAD USE > ONLY)-------- > > The Engine Room > Morgan & Sports Car Specialists > Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 > 831 429-1800 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jun 26 19:13:27 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 18:13:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: new oil infor In-Reply-To: References: <2892a27c-d463-4438-8e77-c8582fb61e91@blur> Message-ID: <001201cc3467$6c0a1e20$0301a8c0@randall> > There are Not street legal versions of both petroleum and > synthetic VR1's. hard to find and expensive. I was just looking at Valvoline's web site, and it lists only one "Valvoline Specialty Racing Oil (Not Street Legal)" (which does not say "VR1"). http://tinyurl.com/6hegkdb But it apparently has the same amount of ZDDP as both VR1 and VR1 synthetic. Note that VR1 and VR1 Synthetic meet several API standards (SH/SL/SM/SN/CD/CF) while the NSL stuff does not. I'm guessing that means the NSL doesn't have as many "long life" additives like detergents and anti-corrosion as VR1 does. The NSL also lists TBN less than 6 (which could mean 0), while VR1 lists TBN=8.5. BTW, Amazon lists Valvoline NSL at $40/case of 6. Not exactly cheap, but about what you'd pay for VR1 Synthetic in most stores. -- Randall From ac at camoletti.ch Mon Jun 27 01:55:52 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:55:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers In-Reply-To: <20110626222011.7BFBB187647@autox.team.net> References: <20110626222011.7BFBB187647@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000101cc349f$a342cc10$e9c86430$@camoletti.ch> Hi Jim! This must be in Kas' last book, a chapter about the clever design with copper sheet by Chris Marx (from Germany, aka Mad Marx) Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Jim Gray Envoyi : lundi 27 juin 2011 00:17 @ : 'Friends of Triumph' Objet : [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers Some time ago a source for tr4 caliper cooling fins was mentioned but I can't seem to locate the thread. Does anyone remember what that source was? Thanks Jim G _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 27 05:32:38 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers In-Reply-To: <000101cc349f$a342cc10$e9c86430$@camoletti.ch> References: <20110626222011.7BFBB187647@autox.team.net> <000101cc349f$a342cc10$e9c86430$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <8CE02D50D8774B2-BA8-17B1@web-mmc-m07.sysops.aol.com> yup, we saw a set in action at Laguna...apparently very effective. -----Original Message----- From: Alexandre Camoletti To: 'Jim Gray' ; 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2011 3:07 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers Hi Jim! This must be in Kas' last book, a chapter about the clever design with copper sheet by Chris Marx (from Germany, aka Mad Marx) Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Jim Gray Envoyi : lundi 27 juin 2011 00:17 @ : 'Friends of Triumph' Objet : [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers Some time ago a source for tr4 caliper cooling fins was mentioned but I can't seem to locate the thread. Does anyone remember what that source was? Thanks Jim G _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net Mon Jun 27 09:17:03 2011 From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons Message-ID: <929679.89385.qm@web180309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Anyone have a tried and true method to free stuck pistons out of an old motor. I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting with the head off for at least 15 years. Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and PB Blaster for several days, then tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't seem to weep past the rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times with a propane torch. That hasn't helped much either. I have the motor on a stand and alternate soaking it from the top or bottom every free days. I understand much patience is required. Eventually I may have to use brute force and bust the out. Not a big deal since the block will need to bored out. But at this point I'm still hopeful that they can be removed intact. Thanks, Tim From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 27 10:56:39 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:56:39 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <929679.89385.qm@web180309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <929679.89385.qm@web180309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001c01cc34eb$30178b30$9046a190$@com> I send you some photos of my work: Bore holes into the piston and sew the skirts through: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_T17qmiZWUoA/TWy27lT0BjI/AAAAAAAAAyQ/M9s2l K9DRwk/s640/DSC01431.JPG Bore a large hole into the piston deck and use a hammer to drive it out: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_T17qmiZWUoA/TW4WBuLjYuI/AAAAAAAAAys/F1yHO Z5jOyM/s800/DSC01436.JPG Good luck Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tim Pettenati Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2011 17:17 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons Anyone have a tried and true method to free stuck pistons out of an old motor. I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting with the head off for at least 15 years. Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and PB Blaster for several days, then tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't seem to weep past the rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times with a propane torch. That hasn't helped much either. I have the motor on a stand and alternate soaking it from the top or bottom every free days. I understand much patience is required. Eventually I may have to use brute force and bust the out. Not a big deal since the block will need to bored out. But at this point I'm still hopeful that they can be removed intact. Thanks, Tim _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Jun 27 12:18:17 2011 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:18:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] (Non-LBC related, mostly) What's the best Xbox 360 racing game? Message-ID: <380-220116127181817897@M2W121.mail2web.com> Hi all! We finally bit the bullet and got an Xbox 360 with Kinect on a really good deal. This marks the first time Brad and I have been current with a gaming platform in our lives, lol! My question is: Is there a good racing game for the Xbox 360 that features lots of U.S. tracks? Joe C. had recommended F1, which we will get (it looks awesome!), but I am also looking for just/mostly U.S. tracks if possible. I remember we played a great racing game at your place a while back, Bob K., but don't remember what it was or any of the details, just that it was very cool. Anyone have any suggestions? We would be appreciative! Thanks! Susan :) PS - In just reading through the specs and stuff on the F1: 2010 game, the level of detail is AMAZING. I can't wait to get it! Oh, and a wheel & some pedals, etc... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From billb at bnj.com Mon Jun 27 12:39:46 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:39:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] (Non-LBC related, mostly) What's the best Xbox 360 racing game? In-Reply-To: <380-220116127181817897@M2W121.mail2web.com> References: <380-220116127181817897@M2W121.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <5EC74CD3-0D62-4F37-B9BA-8BAACD4C2148@bnj.com> Make sure you get the right wheel and pedals--makes all the difference. I don't know what that is for Xbox. For GP4 it's a special GP4 wheel made for the game. but I am woefully out of date. . On Jun 27, 2011, at 11:18 AM, spitfiresuz at 141.com wrote: > Hi all! > > We finally bit the bullet and got an Xbox 360 with Kinect on a really good > deal. This marks the first time Brad and I have been current with a gaming > platform in our lives, lol! > > My question is: Is there a good racing game for the Xbox 360 that features > lots of U.S. tracks? Joe C. had recommended F1, which we will get (it looks > awesome!), but I am also looking for just/mostly U.S. tracks if possible. I > remember we played a great racing game at your place a while back, Bob K., > but don't remember what it was or any of the details, just that it was very > cool. > > Anyone have any suggestions? We would be appreciative! > > Thanks! > > Susan :) > > PS - In just reading through the specs and stuff on the F1: 2010 game, the > level of detail is AMAZING. I can't wait to get it! Oh, and a wheel & some > pedals, etc... > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Jun 27 12:51:12 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:51:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <001c01cc34eb$30178b30$9046a190$@com> References: <929679.89385.qm@web180309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001c01cc34eb$30178b30$9046a190$@com> Message-ID: <701052BC-D1BC-4CBD-AFA2-E94E1F72F83C@gmail.com> Or pour in some muriatic acid and watch the aluminum dissolve (don't inhale). Duncan On Jun 27, 2011, at 11:56 AM, MadMarx wrote: > I send you some photos of my work: > > Bore holes into the piston and sew the skirts through: > https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_T17qmiZWUoA/TWy27lT0BjI/AAAAAAAAAyQ/M9s2l > K9DRwk/s640/DSC01431.JPG > > Bore a large hole into the piston deck and use a hammer to drive it out: > > https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_T17qmiZWUoA/TW4WBuLjYuI/AAAAAAAAAys/F1yHO > Z5jOyM/s800/DSC01436.JPG > > Good luck > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Tim Pettenati > Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2011 17:17 > An: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons > > Anyone have a tried and true method to free stuck pistons out of an > old motor. > I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting with > the head off for > at least 15 years. > > Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out > pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and > PB Blaster for several days, then > tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. > Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and > pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't > seem to weep past the > rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times with a > propane torch. > That hasn't helped much either. > > I have the motor on a stand and alternate > soaking it from the top or bottom > every free days. I understand much patience > is required. Eventually I may have > to use brute force and bust the out. Not > a big deal since the block will need to > bored out. But at this point I'm > still hopeful that they can be removed intact. > > > Thanks, > Tim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Jun 27 13:02:20 2011 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] (Non-LBC related, mostly) What's the best Xbox 360 racing game? In-Reply-To: <380-220116127181817897@M2W121.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <1545554104.94041.1309201340467.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Forza is the best by far. F1 is great but you need a good steering wheel and a solid platform for it. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: spitfiresuz at 141.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:18:17 PM Subject: [Fot] (Non-LBC related,B B B B B B B B mostly) What's the best Xbox 360 racing game? Hi all! We finally bit the bullet and got an Xbox 360 with Kinect on a really good deal. This marks the first time Brad and I have been current with a gaming platform in our lives, lol! My question is: Is there a good racing game for the Xbox 360 that features lots of U.S. tracks? Joe C. had recommended F1, which we will get (it looks awesome!), but I am also looking for just/mostly U.S. tracks if possible. I remember we played a great racing game at your place a while back, Bob K., but don't remember what it was or any of the details, just that it was very cool. Anyone have any suggestions? We would be appreciative! Thanks! Susan B B :) PS - In just reading through the specs and stuff on the F1: 2010 game, the level of detail is AMAZING. I can't wait to get it! Oh, and a wheel & some pedals, etc... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jun 27 17:06:25 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:06:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MGB bearings in Spitfire 1500? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D6BE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I have a set of NOS bearings on my bench here, Glacier (AE) part number B4512LC-.010 (marked as being for Austin, Leyland, MG, Morris). My recollection is that these are MGB rod bearings which I bought to use in my 1500 Spitfire. They're a wider bearing but fit the Spitfire with a little modification of the locating tangs, IIRC. I know that I've done this installation before, but can't recall (or find any notes) about how it worked out. Could be one of those 1500cc motors that blew up when I was having so much trouble with oiling. Has anyone else done this? Confirmation that it's a good or bad idea? Would be nice to use them rather than buying new ones. But I'd rather hand them to one of our MG pals if it's a bad idea. Scott From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 17:59:11 2011 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <929679.89385.qm@web180309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tim, If you are not saving the pistons and have the crankshaft out of the block, why not set the block in a hydrolic press? Then place a suitable size thick piece of steel on top of the piston and press them out. I have a feeling they will move rather easily since you have been soaking them with penatrant. Ken Suhre Tim wrote: Has anyone tried > to free stuck pistons out of an > old motor. > I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting > with > the head off for > at least 15 years. > > Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out > pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and > PB Blaster for several days, then > tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. > Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and > pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't > seem to weep past the > rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times > with a > propane torch. > That hasn't helped much either. > > I have the motor on a stand and alternate > soaking it from the top or bottom > every free days. I understand much patience > is required. Eventually I may have > to use brute force and bust the out. Not > a big deal since the block will need to > bored out. But at this point I'm > still hopeful that they can be removed intact. > > > Thanks, > Tim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com From jibjib at att.net Mon Jun 27 20:24:31 2011 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:24:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers In-Reply-To: <8CE02D50D8774B2-BA8-17B1@web-mmc-m07.sysops.aol.com> References: <20110626222011.7BFBB187647@autox.team.net><000101cc349f$a342cc10$e9c86430$@camoletti.ch> <8CE02D50D8774B2-BA8-17B1@web-mmc-m07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <53697EF232384662B2C230436E6BA71C@EntCent> Here is the website for at least one manufacturer. I was debating making a set for my TR8 because they don't make them for Wedges. Then again, another car likely has the same caliper. http://www.fourproducts.com Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:33 AM To: ac at camoletti.ch; toodamnfunky at comcast.net; FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers yup, we saw a set in action at Laguna...apparently very effective. -----Original Message----- From: Alexandre Camoletti To: 'Jim Gray' ; 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2011 3:07 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers Hi Jim! This must be in Kas' last book, a chapter about the clever design with copper sheet by Chris Marx (from Germany, aka Mad Marx) Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Jim Gray Envoyi : lundi 27 juin 2011 00:17 @ : 'Friends of Triumph' Objet : [Fot] Cooling fins for tr4 calipers Some time ago a source for tr4 caliper cooling fins was mentioned but I can't seem to locate the thread. Does anyone remember what that source was? Thanks Jim G _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net From rjohns at woh.rr.com Tue Jun 28 13:24:33 2011 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 15:24:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons Message-ID: Duncan has suggested using Muriatic Acid to free the pistons. Most all acids will eat into the iron of the block. I suggest to use Sodium Hydroxide ( Lye) instead. It will not eat into the iron and will dissolve the aluminum. I have salvaged many two cycle cylinders and small engine cranks with aluminum con rods, that had the aluminum welded to the steel or plated surface, usually due to insufficient oil. The aluminum comes off clean and all you need to do is to smooth up the cylinder surface or crank pin. The warmer the affected surfaces, the faster the chemical reaction. Make sure us use good rubber gloves and a chemical mask. Bob Johns From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Jun 28 16:12:17 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 15:12:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005701cc35e0$71bd0060$55370120$@rr.com> > I suggest to use Sodium Hydroxide > ( Lye) instead. FWIW, I just went looking for a ready source of lye, as Red Devil Lye is no longer made. Turns out there is a product called "Roebic Heavy Duty Crystal Drain Opener" that is pure lye and apparently readily available from Lowe's, OSH, Ace, Amazon, etc. Most drain openers also contain other ingredients (like metallic aluminum) but this one doesn't. I'm going to pick some up on the way home, as that sounds a lot easier than trying to break the piston. -- Randall From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Tue Jun 28 18:41:28 2011 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? Message-ID: <1309308088.11294.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> What devices are you guys using for tuning and syncing carbs? Jim in Folsom, CA From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue Jun 28 19:31:35 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:31:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F90D21B-DB2A-4503-B173-8F6D88F16624@gmail.com> If sodium hydroxide reacts to a lesser degree with cast iron -- less damage is always better! I don't recall (too many years ago) what prompted me to use muriatic acid (hydrochloric) to remove aluminum piston smears from a cast iron jug on an air cooled motorcycle engine that had suffered a seizure. I knew that aluminum reacts vigorously with hydrochloric acid and have read that iron oxide is removed commercially with hydrochloric acid. Perhaps the expected limited dwell time (the aluminum layer was not very thick) led me not to be concerned about damage to the cast iron cylinder. The aluminum fizzed and dissolved very quickly with no visible sign of reaction with bare cast iron. There might be some concern about acid remaining embedded in the iron grain structure, causing future oxidation, but perhaps there is not much to worry about if the engine is going to be bored -- and the acid will remove rust from the cylinder. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 28, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Robert Johns wrote: > Duncan has suggested using Muriatic Acid to free the pistons. Most all acids > will eat into the iron of the block. I suggest to use Sodium Hydroxide ( Lye) > instead. It will not eat into the iron and will dissolve the aluminum. I > have salvaged many two cycle cylinders and small engine cranks with aluminum > con rods, that had the aluminum welded to the steel or plated surface, > usually due to insufficient oil. The aluminum comes off clean and all you > need to do is to smooth up the cylinder surface or crank pin. The warmer the > affected surfaces, the faster the chemical reaction. Make sure us use good > rubber gloves and a chemical mask. > Bob Johns > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue Jun 28 21:27:27 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott janzen) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 23:27:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? In-Reply-To: <1309308088.11294.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1309308088.11294.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2F4725A3-784C-4F96-B21A-8146427A3D10@me.com> Piece of 1/2" heater hose and your ear. Easy to tell variances Sent from my iPhone On Jun 28, 2011, at 8:41 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > What devices are you guys using for tuning and syncing carbs? > > Jim in Folsom, CA > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 28 21:54:41 2011 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Great Lakes Grand Prix Message-ID: <1309319681.74608.YahooMailRC@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - anyone racing the Great Lakes Grand Prix at Blackhawk on July 10th? Dennis From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Jun 28 22:06:29 2011 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 04:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? In-Reply-To: <1309308088.11294.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1935418208.315034.1309320389785.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> The best I've used on both Webers and SUs is one made by STE called the Syncrometer. About the size of a tennis ball with and opening on one end and graduated scale on the opposite side. You can synch carbs in not time at all. Quick and accurate. See http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-used-parts-sale-wanted/207473-ste-syncrometer.html. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 5:41:28 PM Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? What devices are you guys using for tuning and syncing carbs? Jim in Folsom, CA _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintage.racer at comcast.net From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Jun 28 22:26:50 2011 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 04:26:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR6 Timing Message-ID: <545731679.315592.1309321610714.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I've followed the recent series of emails on ignition timing for a TR6. I'd like to ask for some opinions on a related issue. I have a 1969 TR6 with triple Stromberg carb setup, Lucas distributor with Pertronix and vacuum advance. Currently, timing is set at 4 degrees ATDC at 800 rpm with the vacuum advance attached which is spec. The engine idles smoothly with good acceleration. However, the engine seems to warm up almost too quickly according to the water temp gauge and runs a bit warm. New temp sensor and another gauge made no difference in the readings. If I warm the car up then pull the vacuum line to the distributor there is no difference in idle speed and using a timing light, the engine revs freely to about 24 degrees BTDC (vacuum advance does not work). Attaching the vacuum line and the readings are the same plus I can see the vacuum advance mechanism on the distributor working when the throttle is blipped. I'm wondering if the vacuum advance is working correctly and if the engine timing is too far retarded resulting in the engine running warm while out cruising. Any thoughts? Thanks. Gary From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue Jun 28 22:32:42 2011 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:32:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? In-Reply-To: <2F4725A3-784C-4F96-B21A-8146427A3D10@me.com> References: <1309308088.11294.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <2F4725A3-784C-4F96-B21A-8146427A3D10@me.com> Message-ID: <4E0AAAEA.2020400@comcast.net> I use an ancient UniSyn for setting idle, but the hose works pretty well also. However, that is just for idle and balancing. For racing purposes you need an exhaust gas sniffer, exhaust temp probes for each carb, a chassis dyno and a dyno operator that knows race car tuning. Cheapest horsepower you will ever get and the peace of mind knowing that you're not going to burn a hole in a piston. I also run an EGT probe all the time to help me make minor changes (a couple of flats up or down) to the SU's based on temperature, humidity and altitude changes. On 6/28/2011 8:27 PM, Scott janzen wrote: > Piece of 1/2" heater hose and your ear. Easy to tell variances > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 28, 2011, at 8:41 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > >> What devices are you guys using for tuning and syncing carbs? >> >> Jim in Folsom, CA >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jun 29 04:57:28 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 06:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? In-Reply-To: <1935418208.315034.1309320389785.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1935418208.315034.1309320389785.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CE0462784AA4D7-1D64-983E@Webmail-m121.sysops.aol.com> we've used one of these for several years. seems like the best way to go. it feels very precise and very easy to use. joe a. -----Original Message----- From: vintage.racer To: sherry robyn Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] What devices are you using? The best I've used on both Webers and SUs is one made by STE called the Syncrometer. About the size of a tennis ball with and opening on one end and graduated scale on the opposite side. You can synch carbs in not time at all. Quick and accurate. See http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-used-parts-sale-wanted/207473-ste- syncrometer.html. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 5:41:28 PM Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? What devices are you guys using for tuning and syncing carbs? Jim in Folsom, CA _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintage.racer at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Wed Jun 29 05:14:27 2011 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:14:27 +1000 Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? In-Reply-To: <1309308088.11294.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1309308088.11294.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <29B80EB64C0A42B18B91D1F6F7507614@GEOFFPC> Here ear ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:41 AM Subject: [Fot] What devices are you using? > What devices are you guys using for tuning and syncing carbs? > > Jim in Folsom, CA > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Jun 29 05:20:28 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 06:20:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Great Lakes Grand Prix Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230D6E8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I'll be there on Saturday instructing at the driver's school. Since the Spitfire's temporarily down, I'll probably work a corner on Sunday. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: FOT Sent: Tue Jun 28 22:54:41 2011 Subject: [Fot] Great Lakes Grand Prix AMICI - anyone racing the Great Lakes Grand Prix at Blackhawk on July 10th? Dennis _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jun 29 06:45:10 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 08:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KCUP shirts and posters finalizing swag project. Message-ID: <8CE0471844AEF0F-203C-2448D@webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com> I have 4 3XL AND 3 2XL Left I owe posters to: Kas Marty Rob Barry Bill D Bob W Tom S anyone else? Posters went with purchase of shirts and John N. sent some of the orders. Not sure if Steve B has a small stack left........ Sorry for the confusion. The demand for swag was underestimated, magic as Laguna is. We will be better prepared for the 10th Running of the Kastner Cup at Road Atlanta. Joe Alexander From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Jun 29 07:24:29 2011 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 06:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <7F90D21B-DB2A-4503-B173-8F6D88F16624@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1309353869.58011.YahooMailClassic@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Duncan: FWIW I had to unstick a piston/liner last month from a 3 motor. After using Liquid wrench, PB Blaster, Kroll, etc. I had about given up and figured I would just break the piston. The gentleman with the shop next to me, who is restoring a '46 Stinson Monoplane wandered over and suggested Coca-Cola! Damn if it didn't work. I let it soak overnight from the top down. I can't vow for other cheaper brands of cola :O) -Ed- --- On Tue, 6/28/11, Duncan Charlton wrote: From: Duncan Charlton Subject: Re: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons To: "fot" Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 8:31 PM If sodium hydroxide reacts to a lesser degree with cast iron -- less damage is always better! I don't recall (too many years ago) what prompted me to use muriatic acid (hydrochloric) to remove aluminum piston smears from a cast iron jug on an air cooled motorcycle engine that had suffered a seizure. I knew that aluminum reacts vigorously with hydrochloric acid and have read that iron oxide is removed commercially with hydrochloric acid. Perhaps the expected limited dwell time (the aluminum layer was not very thick) led me not to be concerned about damage to the cast iron cylinder. The aluminum fizzed and dissolved very quickly with no visible sign of reaction with bare cast iron. There might be some concern about acid remaining embedded in the iron grain structure, causing future oxidation, but perhaps there is not much to worry about if the engine is going to be bored -- and the acid will remove rust from the cylinder. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 28, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Robert Johns wrote: > Duncan has suggested using Muriatic Acid to free the pistons. Most all acids > will eat into the iron of the block. I suggest to use Sodium Hydroxide ( Lye) > instead. It will not eat into the iron and will dissolve the aluminum. I > have salvaged many two cycle cylinders and small engine cranks with aluminum > con rods, that had the aluminum welded to the steel or plated surface, > usually due to insufficient oil. The aluminum comes off clean and all you > need to do is to smooth up the cylinder surface or crank pin. The warmer the > affected surfaces, the faster the chemical reaction. Make sure us use good > rubber gloves and a chemical mask. > Bob Johns > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From jkhagen at charter.net Wed Jun 29 07:39:44 2011 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 09:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Great Lakes Grand Prix Message-ID: <7334655e.12d98b.130dba077e3.Webtop.45@charter.net> Hi Dennis--There is also BIR SCCA/VSCR race that weekend-John Hagen On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > AMICI - anyone racing the Great Lakes Grand Prix at Blackhawk on July > 10th? > > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Wed Jun 29 08:10:12 2011 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:10:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <1309353869.58011.YahooMailClassic@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7F90D21B-DB2A-4503-B173-8F6D88F16624@gmail.com> <1309353869.58011.YahooMailClassic@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001f01cc3666$430d2200$c9276600$@rr.com> Just think, people actually drink that stuff! I remember seeing it totally dissolve a mussel shell in a glass of it overnight when I was a kid. Scared me away from it! Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 9:24 AM To: fot; Duncan Charlton Subject: Re: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons Duncan: FWIW I had to unstick a piston/liner last month from a 3 motor. After using Liquid wrench, PB Blaster, Kroll, etc. I had about given up and figured I would just break the piston. The gentleman with the shop next to me, who is restoring a '46 Stinson Monoplane wandered over and suggested Coca-Cola! Damn if it didn't work. I let it soak overnight from the top down. I can't vow for other cheaper brands of cola :O) -Ed- --- On Tue, 6/28/11, Duncan Charlton wrote: From: Duncan Charlton Subject: Re: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons To: "fot" Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 8:31 PM If sodium hydroxide reacts to a lesser degree with cast iron -- less damage is always better! I don't recall (too many years ago) what prompted me to use muriatic acid (hydrochloric) to remove aluminum piston smears from a cast iron jug on an air cooled motorcycle engine that had suffered a seizure. I knew that aluminum reacts vigorously with hydrochloric acid and have read that iron oxide is removed commercially with hydrochloric acid. Perhaps the expected limited dwell time (the aluminum layer was not very thick) led me not to be concerned about damage to the cast iron cylinder. The aluminum fizzed and dissolved very quickly with no visible sign of reaction with bare cast iron. There might be some concern about acid remaining embedded in the iron grain structure, causing future oxidation, but perhaps there is not much to worry about if the engine is going to be bored -- and the acid will remove rust from the cylinder. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 28, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Robert Johns wrote: > Duncan has suggested using Muriatic Acid to free the pistons. Most all acids > will eat into the iron of the block. I suggest to use Sodium Hydroxide ( Lye) > instead. It will not eat into the iron and will dissolve the aluminum. I > have salvaged many two cycle cylinders and small engine cranks with aluminum > con rods, that had the aluminum welded to the steel or plated surface, > usually due to insufficient oil. The aluminum comes off clean and all you > need to do is to smooth up the cylinder surface or crank pin. The warmer the > affected surfaces, the faster the chemical reaction. Make sure us use good > rubber gloves and a chemical mask. > Bob Johns > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Jun 29 08:51:09 2011 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:51:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Timing References: <545731679.315592.1309321610714.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Gary, The 69 TR6 has a little more complex distributor than what you're describing. It had a vacuum advance and a vacuum retard on the distributor and a system that operated the vacuum retard attached to the carbs. It also makes a difference where you connect your vacuum pipes. Some carbs have 2 places to connect for vacuum. I've attached a page from The Roadster Factory blue book showing the vacuum pipes etc. I guess what I'm trying to tell you is if you don't have this system, which you probably don't because everyone took it off, you have to use a later spec to set the timing of your car. The later spec I believe used a quite different way of timing. Anyway, you need to understand which distributor you have and vacuum system and set the timing accordingly. Hope this helps. http://www.zeni.net/trf/TR6bluebook/51.php Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:26 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 Timing > I've followed the recent series of emails on ignition timing for a TR6. > I'd > like to ask for some opinions on a related issue. I have a 1969 TR6 with > triple Stromberg carb setup, Lucas distributor with Pertronix and vacuum > advance. Currently, timing is set at 4 degrees ATDC at 800 rpm with the > vacuum > advance attached which is spec. The engine idles smoothly with good > acceleration. However, the engine seems to warm up almost too quickly > according to the water temp gauge and runs a bit warm. New temp sensor and > another gauge made no difference in the readings. If I warm the car up > then > pull the vacuum line to the distributor there is no difference in idle > speed > and using a timing light, the engine revs freely to about 24 degrees BTDC > (vacuum advance does not work). Attaching the vacuum line and the readings > are > the same plus I can see the vacuum advance mechanism on the distributor > working when the throttle is blipped. I'm wondering if the vacuum advance > is > working correctly and if the engine timing is too far retarded resulting > in > the engine running warm while out cruising. Any thoughts? Thanks. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 10:28:03 2011 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 09:28:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Article in SCD Message-ID: Sent this out to the drivers and known attendees but thought it might have general interest with a nice article in Sports Car Digest. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "John Nikas" Date: Jun 28, 2011 4:41 PM Subject: LSR Invitational by HMSA 2011  Photo Gallery To: "Joseph Alexander" , "Alec Mac Arthur" < amacarthur3 at socal.rr.com>, "Tony Drews" , "Casey Annis" , "Paul and Sally Smock" , "John and Tami Frymark" , "Samuel Halkias" < atr6racer at hotmail.com>, "Dennis DeLap" , "Henry Frye" , "Irv Korey" , "Robert Johns" , "Steven Belfer" , "Frank Daley" *LSR Invitational by HMSA 2011  Photo Gallery* RACE CARS | SPORTS CAR DIGEST - THE SPORTS, RACING AND VINTAGE CAR ... | JUNE 28, 2011 http://www.sportscardigest.com/lsr-invitational-hmsa-2011-photo-gallery/ Photos by Dennis Gray and Connor Vandagriff The Historic Motors Sports Association (HMSA) held the LSR Invitational event at ... read more --- Shared via Pulse, a great news reader for iPad, iPhone and Android. http://www.pulsene.ws From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jun 29 11:13:16 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:13:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Timing In-Reply-To: <545731679.315592.1309321610714.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <545731679.315592.1309321610714.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <013b01cc367f$d6fd4210$84f7c630$@rr.com> > Currently, timing is set at 4 degrees ATDC at 800 rpm with the > vacuum advance attached which is spec. IMO first you need to establish whether you actually have an advance module, or a retard module. Then discover whether the port on the carburetor is for advance or retard. (Since you said disconnecting the line does nothing at idle, most likely it is an advance port.) The 4 ATDC spec applies only when the retard is present and active. Otherwise you should be using the 'static' number, which ISTR was 10 BTDC for 69. Or, since your motor is somewhat modified, advance the initial timing in small steps until you can just force the engine to ping, then back off by 2 degrees or so. -- Randall From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jun 29 11:26:49 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:26:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <7F90D21B-DB2A-4503-B173-8F6D88F16624@gmail.com> Message-ID: <29DE37F0FEE44BD4A6859933E8961C66@gdhs.local> Hydrochloric works fine on nicksil or chrom cyl....doesn't hurt them one bit..... John H. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:32 PM To: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Loosing stuck pistons If sodium hydroxide reacts to a lesser degree with cast iron -- less damage is always better! I don't recall (too many years ago) what prompted me to use muriatic acid (hydrochloric) to remove aluminum piston smears from a cast iron jug on an air cooled motorcycle engine that had suffered a seizure. I knew that aluminum reacts vigorously with hydrochloric acid and have read that iron oxide is removed commercially with hydrochloric acid. Perhaps the expected limited dwell time (the aluminum layer was not very thick) led me not to be concerned about damage to the cast iron cylinder. The aluminum fizzed and dissolved very quickly with no visible sign of reaction with bare cast iron. There might be some concern about acid remaining embedded in the iron grain structure, causing future oxidation, but perhaps there is not much to worry about if the engine is going to be bored -- and the acid will remove rust from the cylinder. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 28, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Robert Johns wrote: > Duncan has suggested using Muriatic Acid to free the pistons. Most > all acids > will eat into the iron of the block. I suggest to use Sodium > Hydroxide ( Lye) > instead. It will not eat into the iron and will dissolve the > aluminum. I have salvaged many two cycle cylinders and small engine > cranks with aluminum > con rods, that had the aluminum welded to the steel or plated surface, > usually due to insufficient oil. The aluminum comes off clean and all you > need to do is to smooth up the cylinder surface or crank pin. The warmer the > affected surfaces, the faster the chemical reaction. Make sure us use > good rubber gloves and a chemical mask. Bob Johns > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From billb at bnj.com Wed Jun 29 17:10:40 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:10:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> BBFH. BB stands for Big, Big and H stands for Hammer. On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Ken Suhre wrote: > Tim, If you are not saving the pistons and have the crankshaft out of the > block, why not set the block in a hydrolic press? Then place a suitable size > thick piece of steel on top of the piston and press them out. I have a feeling > they will move rather easily since you have been soaking them with penatrant. > > Ken Suhre > > Tim wrote: Has anyone tried >> to free stuck pistons out of an >> old motor. >> I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting >> with >> the head off for >> at least 15 years. >> >> Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out >> pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and >> PB Blaster for several days, then >> tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. >> Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and >> pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't >> seem to weep past the >> rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times >> with a >> propane torch. >> That hasn't helped much either. >> >> I have the motor on a stand and alternate >> soaking it from the top or bottom >> every free days. I understand much patience >> is required. Eventually I may have >> to use brute force and bust the out. Not >> a big deal since the block will need to >> bored out. But at this point I'm >> still hopeful that they can be removed intact. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Tim >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From triosan at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 17:57:52 2011 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:57:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> References: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> Message-ID: F stands for "Forceful" of course :) . Probably A BBFPress would work better. On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > BBFH. BB stands for Big, Big and H stands for Hammer. > On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Ken Suhre wrote: > > > Tim, If you are not saving the pistons and have the crankshaft out of the > > block, why not set the block in a hydrolic press? Then place a suitable > size > > thick piece of steel on top of the piston and press them out. I have a > feeling > > they will move rather easily since you have been soaking them with > penatrant. > > > > Ken Suhre > > > > Tim wrote: Has anyone tried > >> to free stuck pistons out of an > >> old motor. > >> I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting > >> with > >> the head off for > >> at least 15 years. > >> > >> Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out > >> pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and > >> PB Blaster for several days, then > >> tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. > >> Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and > >> pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't > >> seem to weep past the > >> rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times > >> with a > >> propane torch. > >> That hasn't helped much either. > >> > >> I have the motor on a stand and alternate > >> soaking it from the top or bottom > >> every free days. I understand much patience > >> is required. Eventually I may have > >> to use brute force and bust the out. Not > >> a big deal since the block will need to > >> bored out. But at this point I'm > >> still hopeful that they can be removed intact. > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tim > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From bownes at seiri.com Wed Jun 29 18:00:54 2011 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 20:00:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> References: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <76CA8C9A-D1FF-4591-8D38-D011AC0C16E2@seiri.com> Last time I had to do this, like Bill, I used a BFH. The pistons came out in chunks. On Jun 29, 2011, at 19:10, Bill Babcock wrote: > BBFH. BB stands for Big, Big and H stands for Hammer. > On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Ken Suhre wrote: > >> Tim, If you are not saving the pistons and have the crankshaft out of the >> block, why not set the block in a hydrolic press? Then place a suitable > size >> thick piece of steel on top of the piston and press them out. I have a > feeling >> they will move rather easily since you have been soaking them with > penatrant. >> >> Ken Suhre >> >> Tim wrote: Has anyone tried >>> to free stuck pistons out of an >>> old motor. >>> I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting >>> with >>> the head off for >>> at least 15 years. >>> >>> Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out >>> pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and >>> PB Blaster for several days, then >>> tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. >>> Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and >>> pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't >>> seem to weep past the >>> rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times >>> with a >>> propane torch. >>> That hasn't helped much either. >>> >>> I have the motor on a stand and alternate >>> soaking it from the top or bottom >>> every free days. I understand much patience >>> is required. Eventually I may have >>> to use brute force and bust the out. Not >>> a big deal since the block will need to >>> bored out. But at this point I'm >>> still hopeful that they can be removed intact. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Tim >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From kaskas at cox.net Wed Jun 29 18:03:54 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:03:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> References: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> Message-ID: It is just amazing how much you can move with a BIG hammer and a short block of wood if you don't have that press handy. You buy the biggest hammer you can find and after thos job you'll still have the hammer for furture work on fine equipment. Never be beaten by equipment > From: billb at bnj.com > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:10:40 -0700 > To: kenandtweety at yahoo.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons > > BBFH. BB stands for Big, Big and H stands for Hammer. > On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Ken Suhre wrote: > > > Tim, If you are not saving the pistons and have the crankshaft out of the > > block, why not set the block in a hydrolic press? Then place a suitable > size > > thick piece of steel on top of the piston and press them out. I have a > feeling > > they will move rather easily since you have been soaking them with > penatrant. > > > > Ken Suhre > > > > Tim wrote: Has anyone tried > >> to free stuck pistons out of an > >> old motor. > >> I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting > >> with > >> the head off for > >> at least 15 years. > >> > >> Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out > >> pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and > >> PB Blaster for several days, then > >> tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. > >> Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and > >> pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't > >> seem to weep past the > >> rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times > >> with a > >> propane torch. > >> That hasn't helped much either. > >> > >> I have the motor on a stand and alternate > >> soaking it from the top or bottom > >> every free days. I understand much patience > >> is required. Eventually I may have > >> to use brute force and bust the out. Not > >> a big deal since the block will need to > >> bored out. But at this point I'm > >> still hopeful that they can be removed intact. > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tim > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Wed Jun 29 18:23:05 2011 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Colortune spark plugs Message-ID: <1309393385.73010.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Is anybody using Colortune spark plugs to any advantage? Jim in Folsom, CA From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jun 29 18:51:45 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 20:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: References: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <8CE04D704F4A963-222C-787@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> Our first race car was a Saab V-4 SONNET. It had been through two floods and the engine was seized. Solidly. Big hammer and short piece of two by four was employed. Engine was rebuilt with original pistons, beat upon with said hammer, and we ran it for a year. You do what you gotta do..... Last report was that it was transplanted into a wife's car and was still running. The SONNET ran with Sean and Mark at Blackhawk, as it is still on the track with the buyer, who turned out to be a great friend. -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner To: billb ; kenandtweety Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:23 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons It is just amazing how much you can move with a BIG hammer and a short block of wood if you don't have that press handy. You buy the biggest hammer you can find and after thos job you'll still have the hammer for furture work on fine equipment. Never be beaten by equipment > From: billb at bnj.com > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:10:40 -0700 > To: kenandtweety at yahoo.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons > > BBFH. BB stands for Big, Big and H stands for Hammer. > On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Ken Suhre wrote: > > > Tim, If you are not saving the pistons and have the crankshaft out of the > > block, why not set the block in a hydrolic press? Then place a suitable > size > > thick piece of steel on top of the piston and press them out. I have a > feeling > > they will move rather easily since you have been soaking them with > penatrant. > > > > Ken Suhre > > > > Tim wrote: Has anyone tried > >> to free stuck pistons out of an > >> old motor. > >> I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting > >> with > >> the head off for > >> at least 15 years. > >> > >> Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out > >> pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and > >> PB Blaster for several days, then > >> tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. > >> Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and > >> pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't > >> seem to weep past the > >> rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times > >> with a > >> propane torch. > >> That hasn't helped much either. > >> > >> I have the motor on a stand and alternate > >> soaking it from the top or bottom > >> every free days. I understand much patience > >> is required. Eventually I may have > >> to use brute force and bust the out. Not > >> a big deal since the block will need to > >> bored out. But at this point I'm > >> still hopeful that they can be removed intact. > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tim > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Jun 29 19:50:19 2011 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 19:50:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: References: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <2AE8BC21-87C8-48DC-8A3D-7C9F434157EE@earthlink.net> Thanks for jarring the memory... '43 Ford military jeep. Sold it to a friend - stuck engine and all. A couple days later he had it on a lift with the pan off and a long 2"x4" on a bottle jack. Jacked that piston enough to push the Jeep close to the ceiling. So he chained it down and jacked it up some more. About the same time as the frame started to bend I finally started telling him not to kill the poor little thing. Got him to put it on the ground and a couple whacks with a wood block and BFH did what thousands of pounds of pressure would not. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jun 29, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > It is just amazing how much you can move with a BIG hammer and a > short block > of wood if you don't have that press handy. You buy the biggest > hammer you can > find and after thos job you'll still have the hammer for furture > work on fine > equipment. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: billb at bnj.com >> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:10:40 -0700 >> To: kenandtweety at yahoo.com >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons >> >> BBFH. BB stands for Big, Big and H stands for Hammer. >> On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Ken Suhre wrote: >> >>> Tim, If you are not saving the pistons and have the crankshaft >>> out of the >>> block, why not set the block in a hydrolic press? Then place a >>> suitable >> size >>> thick piece of steel on top of the piston and press them out. I >>> have a >> feeling >>> they will move rather easily since you have been soaking them with >> penatrant. >>> >>> Ken Suhre >>> >>> Tim wrote: Has anyone tried >>>> to free stuck pistons out of an >>>> old motor. >>>> I picked up a spare 1147 Spit motor that has been sitting >>>> with >>>> the head off for >>>> at least 15 years. >>>> >>>> Pistons 2 & 3 were at BDC and came out >>>> pretty easily after soaking in Kroil and >>>> PB Blaster for several days, then >>>> tapping out with a piece of wood and hammer. >>>> Pistons 1 & 4 are at TDC and >>>> pretty well frozen in place. Penetrants doesn't >>>> seem to weep past the >>>> rings. I've tried heating the pistons a few times >>>> with a >>>> propane torch. >>>> That hasn't helped much either. >>>> >>>> I have the motor on a stand and alternate >>>> soaking it from the top or bottom >>>> every free days. I understand much patience >>>> is required. Eventually I may have >>>> to use brute force and bust the out. Not >>>> a big deal since the block will need to >>>> bored out. But at this point I'm >>>> still hopeful that they can be removed intact. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Tim >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From billb at bnj.com Wed Jun 29 22:57:02 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:57:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Colortune spark plugs In-Reply-To: <1309393385.73010.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1309393385.73010.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <94AA09F4-C57B-430D-8A44-02902823F03C@bnj.com> they're kind of a bad joke, surprised they're still around. I tried them in the late 70s to no particular benefit. Problem is they're only to be used around idle, and setting the mixture at idle is the least difficult and smallest value part of tuning. On Jun 29, 2011, at 5:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > Is anybody using Colortune spark plugs to any advantage? Jim in Folsom, CA > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From billb at bnj.com Wed Jun 29 23:04:53 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 22:04:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Freeing stuck pistons In-Reply-To: <2AE8BC21-87C8-48DC-8A3D-7C9F434157EE@earthlink.net> References: <1309219151.32920.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <63523047-7C12-409F-AD91-4B5F5E6C71F7@bnj.com> <2AE8BC21-87C8-48DC-8A3D-7C9F434157EE@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <192CD748-F2D3-479D-859A-828AD6C6AA85@bnj.com> Yep, I wasn't kidding. I raced a '76 Yamaha 360 at the 1977 Riverside Grand Prix. Stuck it right away in practice so I didn't even know which way the course went (1/3 road race, 1/3 flat track, 1/3 motocross). Beat the piston out of the cylinder with a chunk of wood and a hammer. Sanded the seize marks off the piston, cleaned the aluminum out of the barrel with battery acid, freed up the ring, went two sizes bigger on the main jet and dumped a little extra oil in the gas. Finished third, in part because I didn't know where a scary dropoff was and went off it full throttle and lived. figured if if worked the first time it would work a second. Passed dozens of people coming into that drop. Sometimes ignorance is fast. On Jun 29, 2011, at 6:50 PM, Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: > Thanks for jarring the memory... > '43 Ford military jeep. Sold it to a friend - stuck engine and all. A couple days later he had it on a lift with the pan off and a long 2"x4" on a bottle jack. Jacked that piston enough to push the Jeep close to the ceiling. So he chained it down and jacked it up some more. About the same time as the frame started to bend I finally started telling him not to kill the poor little thing. Got him to put it on the ground and a couple whacks with a wood block and BFH did what thousands of pounds of pressure would not. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Jun 29, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > >> It is just amazing how much you can move with a BIG hammer and a short block >> of wood if you don't have that press handy. You buy the biggest hammer you can >> find and after thos job you'll still have the hammer for furture work on fine >> equipment. From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 06:37:45 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 07:37:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Colortune spark plugs In-Reply-To: <94AA09F4-C57B-430D-8A44-02902823F03C@bnj.com> References: <1309393385.73010.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <94AA09F4-C57B-430D-8A44-02902823F03C@bnj.com> Message-ID: I had gone to a local guy who advertises his prowess in working on British cars, in hopes that he might have a selection of SU needles (now, exactly how many years has it been since a production car was sold in the US with SU's?). Plus he has a British accent = knowledge about British cars, right? He insisted on quizzing me about how I knew that the mixture was rich, so at first I thought perhaps he knew his stuff, but when he insisted that the ONLY way to know if an engine was running rich was to use Colortune, I tuned HIM out and vowed never to return. I had a disturbing mental vision of my darling wife strapped to the left front fender watching for combustion color while I did full-throttle runs to redline. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 29, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > they're kind of a bad joke, surprised they're still around. I tried them in > the late 70s to no particular benefit. Problem is they're only to be used > around idle, and setting the mixture at idle is the least difficult and > smallest value part of tuning. > > On Jun 29, 2011, at 5:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > >> Is anybody using Colortune spark plugs to any advantage? Jim in Folsom, CA >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Jun 30 09:15:49 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:15:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Colortune spark plugs In-Reply-To: References: <1309393385.73010.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <94AA09F4-C57B-430D-8A44-02902823F03C@bnj.com> Message-ID: Duncan Let me guess, he wasn't as "Handy" with Old English Jaguars as one might expect? I have lots of needles. Bob Kramer Southern Construction Inventory Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:38 AM To: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Colortune spark plugs I had gone to a local guy who advertises his prowess in working on British cars, in hopes that he might have a selection of SU needles (now, exactly how many years has it been since a production car was sold in the US with SU's?). Plus he has a British accent = knowledge about British cars, right? He insisted on quizzing me about how I knew that the mixture was rich, so at first I thought perhaps he knew his stuff, but when he insisted that the ONLY way to know if an engine was running rich was to use Colortune, I tuned HIM out and vowed never to return. I had a disturbing mental vision of my darling wife strapped to the left front fender watching for combustion color while I did full-throttle runs to redline. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Jun 29, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > they're kind of a bad joke, surprised they're still around. I tried them in > the late 70s to no particular benefit. Problem is they're only to be used > around idle, and setting the mixture at idle is the least difficult and > smallest value part of tuning. > > On Jun 29, 2011, at 5:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > >> Is anybody using Colortune spark plugs to any advantage? Jim in Folsom, CA >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 12:40:25 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:40:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Colortune spark plugs References: Message-ID: <27E9715E-9A0D-4E32-AC1F-9EA61961C795@gmail.com> > You got it -- to put it kindly, I was unimpressed. He was very quick to bark up the wrong tree. > > (I found needles from Joe Curto, but thanks for the offer). > > Duncan > > On Jun 30, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > >> Duncan Let me guess, he wasn't as "Handy" with Old English Jaguars as one might expect? >> >> I have lots of needles. >> >> Bob Kramer >> Southern Construction Inventory Manager >> RDO Equipment Company >> 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 >> 512-687-7422 Office >> 512-657-8526 Cell >> >> >> Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton >> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:38 AM >> To: fot >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Colortune spark plugs >> >> I had gone to a local guy who advertises his prowess in working on British >> cars, in hopes that he might have a selection of SU needles (now, exactly how >> many years has it been since a production car was sold in the US with SU's?). >> Plus he has a British accent = knowledge about British cars, right? >> >> He insisted on quizzing me about how I knew that the mixture was rich, so at >> first I thought perhaps he knew his stuff, but when he insisted that the ONLY >> way to know if an engine was running rich was to use Colortune, I tuned HIM >> out and vowed never to return. I had a disturbing mental vision of my darling >> wife strapped to the left front fender watching for combustion color while I >> did full-throttle runs to redline. >> >> Duncan >> 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red >> >> On Jun 29, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: >> >>> they're kind of a bad joke, surprised they're still around. I tried them in >>> the late 70s to no particular benefit. Problem is they're only to be used >>> around idle, and setting the mixture at idle is the least difficult and >>> smallest value part of tuning. >>> >>> On Jun 29, 2011, at 5:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote: >>> >>>> Is anybody using Colortune spark plugs to any advantage? Jim in Folsom, >> CA >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From billb at bnj.com Thu Jun 30 13:16:42 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:16:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Colortune spark plugs In-Reply-To: <27E9715E-9A0D-4E32-AC1F-9EA61961C795@gmail.com> References: <27E9715E-9A0D-4E32-AC1F-9EA61961C795@gmail.com> Message-ID: <33BD5C19-316D-46FA-B335-5175A5B0F1DA@bnj.com> I had hoped I could use them on a dyno, but nope, they have an RPM and throttle limitation. Tried it anyway, I don't recommend it. Ruined it. I don't remember if it came apart, seems like it did. On Jun 30, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote: >> You got it -- to put it kindly, I was unimpressed. He was very quick to > bark up the wrong tree. >> >> (I found needles from Joe Curto, but thanks for the offer). >> >> Duncan From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jun 30 18:09:14 2011 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 19:09:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Colortune spark plugs In-Reply-To: <27E9715E-9A0D-4E32-AC1F-9EA61961C795@gmail.com> References: <27E9715E-9A0D-4E32-AC1F-9EA61961C795@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48a39dc3-8bfc-4468-ae69-074f9c616394@blur> greg is looking at crankshaft options. one is custom forged cranks to working eoth chevy rods and forged pistons. do your have any plans fot building a spare engine? I need to and Bob Blake may too. We may get a better price with a group buy. Bob Kramer Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: fot Sent: Thu, Jun 30, 2011 18:40:25 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Colortune spark plugs > You got it -- to put it kindly, I was unimpressed. He was very quick to bark up the wrong tree. > > (I found needles from Joe Curto, but thanks for the offer). > > Duncan > > On Jun 30, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > >> Duncan Let me guess, he wasn't as "Handy" with Old English Jaguars as one might expect? >> >> I have lots of needles. >> >> Bob Kramer >> Southern Construction Inventory Manager >> RDO Equipment Company >> 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 >> 512-687-7422 Office >> 512-657-8526 Cell >> >> >> Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton >> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:38 AM >> To: fot >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Colortune spark plugs >> >> I had gone to a local guy who advertises his prowess in working on British >> cars, in hopes that he might have a selection of SU needles (now, exactly how >> many years has it been since a production car was sold in the US with SU's?). >> Plus he has a British accent = knowledge about British cars, right? >> >> He insisted on quizzing me about how I knew that the mixture was rich, so at >> first I thought perhaps he knew his stuff, but when he insisted that the ONLY >> way to know if an engine was running rich was to use Colortune, I tuned HIM >> out and vowed never to return. I had a disturbing mental vision of my darling >> wife strapped to the left front fender watching for combustion color while I >> did full-throttle runs to redline. >> >> Duncan >> 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red >> >> On Jun 29, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: >> >>> they're kind of a bad joke, surprised they're still around. I tried them in >>> the late 70s to no particular benefit. Problem is they're only to be used >>> around idle, and setting the mixture at idle is the least difficult and >>> smallest value part of tuning. >>> >>> On Jun 29, 2011, at 5:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote: >>> >>>> Is anybody using Colortune spark plugs to any advantage? Jim in Folsom, >> CA >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com