From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Feb  1 09:43:29 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 10:43:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR3 and Southwick Conversion
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I did not have my Southwick axles lengthened, just spent a bit of time 
with the die grinder and all was good.  I had some light tire rub with 
the 205 Speedsters, so I rolled the inner fender flange over wire.  If 
the axles were 1/8 inch longer, more drastic measures would have been 
required to fit the 205's.

On 1/31/2011 1:11 PM, davehogye wrote:
> It's good to get some feedback regarding adjusting fender clearance.
> It has been brought to my attention that track may be measured by some racing groups.
> Has anyone had their cars' track scrutinized?
> Tire and wheel size is related to the matter of clearance as well. I believe that TR3s should be to running 5.5" wheels max., but that depends on the race organization.
> What tire, wheel, spacer combinations are being used for TR3s? If spacers are being used, then maybe the axle could be lengthen a bit.
> Could the Southwick conversion for TR3s be lengthened by 1/4" overall? Is it worth going to the trouble of having the option from Southwick?
> Moser cuts and machines the axles, it seams to me that an 1/8" adjustment could be easily made.
> Again, 1/8" would really help the weld grinding situation. There really isn't that much weld on there when compared the the tube thickness. Perhaps no one has had a problem after removing some weld, but I thought this question was worth asking. If added length creates other problems, then it's probably not a good idea.
> Thanks for the commentary,
> Dave H.
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Feb  1 10:23:35 2011
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:23:35 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 and Southwick Conversion
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I have the Southwick conversion on my TR3 with the stock-length axle  
tubes.  There plates were ground down a bit to fit over the flange.   
It gets thin in places.  Also, the guy who performed the conversion  
used U-bolts of different diameters so that the outer's are thinner to  
make a better fit over the flange.

~Steve

From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Tue Feb  1 10:31:01 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 12:31:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
Message-ID: <52785169-7100-48C7-824B-C325AA178D64@aol.com>

Amici

Has anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they fit/look?

Looking for a driver fender for a 72.

Going on a daily driver.

Thanks

From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  1 12:37:32 2011
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 11:37:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
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The aftermarket fiberglass fenders I have seen are just as heavy or heavier
than 
the stock steel fenders. I never saw a decent paint job on them so I
couldn't 
tell you how they look. 
Mike




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Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 11:31:01 AM
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

Amici

Has
anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they fit/look?
Looking for a driver fender for a 72.

Going on a daily driver.

Thanks
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Feb  1 12:53:56 2011
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 13:53:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Trailer for sale
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E730C1@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Haulmark 18-footer, good tires, electric brakes, winch, internal tire
rack.   Nice condition.



Located in east-central Wisconsin.



$3,000



If you're interested, I can get you in touch with the owner.



NFI (which, in this case also means "no further information")



Scott B.

From bownes at seiri.com  Tue Feb  1 13:17:39 2011
From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 13:17:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
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I have a set on the parts car in the yard. They pass the 20' test. :)



On Feb 1, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:

> The aftermarket fiberglass fenders I have seen are just as heavy or heavier
> than 
> the stock steel fenders. I never saw a decent paint job on them so I
> couldn't 
> tell you how they look. 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
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> To: FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 11:31:01 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
> 
> Amici
> 
> Has
> anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they fit/look?
> Looking for a driver fender for a 72.
> 
> Going on a daily driver.
> 
> Thanks
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Feb  1 13:44:16 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:44:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR3 and Southwick Conversion
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I used large U-bolts as well.

On 2/1/2011 11:23 AM, Steven Belfer wrote:
> I have the Southwick conversion on my TR3 with the stock-length axle 
> tubes.  There plates were ground down a bit to fit over the flange.  
> It gets thin in places.  Also, the guy who performed the conversion 
> used U-bolts of different diameters so that the outer's are thinner to 
> make a better fit over the flange.
>
> ~Steve
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  1 14:01:43 2011
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 13:01:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Stray Koni
Message-ID: <384511.19926.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - I am looking for a single Koni front shock for a TR3/4.
Anyone have
one that they would sell?    part# 80 1005  SP1

Thanks
Dennis

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Feb  1 14:36:20 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 21:36:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spax shock needs good home
Message-ID: <609650558.1789214.1296596180503.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

FoT

I have one, never used gas SpaxB / adjustable shock for the TR-4 ( conversion)

I bought it before I learned there are different shocks for lowered springs.

Will sell for 75% of retail. Moss PN is 264-698.

tanx



Jim G.

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Feb  1 15:08:25 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 23:08:25 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
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Hi,

I have fiberglass fenders all around.
They look good when good when bought from a good company like Honeybourn
mouldings.
They are slightly lighter....
steel 4.5 kg
plastic 3.0 kg
You save more weight with doors and bonnets.
Changing from steel to plastic made the car 100kg lighter.

Cheers
Chris

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Betreff: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

Amici

Has anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they
fit/look?

Looking for a driver fender for a 72.

Going on a daily driver.

Thanks
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Tue Feb  1 15:32:39 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 16:32:39 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
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Chris,

Do they sell floors for a TR3?

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of MadMarx
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:08 PM
To: 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

Hi,

I have fiberglass fenders all around.
They look good when good when bought from a good company like Honeybourn
mouldings.
They are slightly lighter....
steel 4.5 kg
plastic 3.0 kg
You save more weight with doors and bonnets.
Changing from steel to plastic made the car 100kg lighter.

Cheers
Chris

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Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Februar 2011 18:31
An: FoTTriumph
Betreff: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

Amici

Has anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they
fit/look?

Looking for a driver fender for a 72.

Going on a daily driver.

Thanks
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Feb  1 15:40:38 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 23:40:38 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
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Floors?
You mean doors?
No doors for TR3...but there wouldn be much gain I suppose.

My TR4 doors weigh 3.5 kg instead of 25 for a full steel door with glass
window.

Cheers
Chris

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Betreff: RE: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

Chris,

Do they sell floors for a TR3?

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
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keys to your success.
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Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:08 PM
To: 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

Hi,

I have fiberglass fenders all around.
They look good when good when bought from a good company like Honeybourn
mouldings.
They are slightly lighter....
steel 4.5 kg
plastic 3.0 kg
You save more weight with doors and bonnets.
Changing from steel to plastic made the car 100kg lighter.

Cheers
Chris

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Auftrag von Christopher Bock
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Februar 2011 18:31
An: FoTTriumph
Betreff: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

Amici

Has anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they
fit/look?

Looking for a driver fender for a 72.

Going on a daily driver.

Thanks
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From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Wed Feb  2 04:54:27 2011
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 22:54:27 +1100
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
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You guys are luck in Australia we have to run a full factory spec body no 
flares and no plastic panels
Geoff Byrne
TR6 Racer Down Under
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To: "'Friends'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr6 fenders


> Hi,
>
> I have fiberglass fenders all around.
> They look good when good when bought from a good company like Honeybourn
> mouldings.
> They are slightly lighter....
> steel 4.5 kg
> plastic 3.0 kg
> You save more weight with doors and bonnets.
> Changing from steel to plastic made the car 100kg lighter.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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> Auftrag von Christopher Bock
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Februar 2011 18:31
> An: FoTTriumph
> Betreff: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
>
> Amici
>
> Has anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they
> fit/look?
>
> Looking for a driver fender for a 72.
>
> Going on a daily driver.
>
> Thanks
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Feb  2 05:27:27 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 13:27:27 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
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That comes from that we are linked off the vintage FIA rules.
The Triumph Competition has their own rules, like the FIA, IMSA, DTM, WTCC.
So we can decide what is best for racing and fun and to keep cost low.

Big engined cars are limited with modifications and weight.
Small engined cars are allowed to have 10 percent less weight to catch up
with the big ones.
With this we have close racing, the cost are limited as nobody is forced to
run a 200 HP TR4 engine.
Fun for all and spectators also.

Go that way too with your group.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Februar 2011 12:54
An: MadMarx; 'Friends'
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

You guys are luck in Australia we have to run a full factory spec body no
flares and no plastic panels
Geoff Byrne
TR6 Racer Down Under
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To: "'Friends'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr6 fenders


> Hi,
>
> I have fiberglass fenders all around.
> They look good when good when bought from a good company like Honeybourn
> mouldings.
> They are slightly lighter....
> steel 4.5 kg
> plastic 3.0 kg
> You save more weight with doors and bonnets.
> Changing from steel to plastic made the car 100kg lighter.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Christopher Bock
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Februar 2011 18:31
> An: FoTTriumph
> Betreff: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
>
> Amici
>
> Has anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they
> fit/look?
>
> Looking for a driver fender for a 72.
>
> Going on a daily driver.
>
> Thanks
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Feb  2 13:32:29 2011
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 20:32:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 and Southwick conversion
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Thanks for the comments and information regarding TR3s and Southwick axle conversions. 
I have been educated as to what problems might occur when changing the TR3s axle length. The most important issue is what's legal according to the rules in your particular race group. In my case, the stock length must be retained, but for others racing TR3s, a little extra axle length might be a reasonable modification to consider. 
It has been brought to my attention, that Southwick could lengthen the TR3 axle conversion as much as the tubes will allow and if a U bolt is provided, they will perform any needed grinding, all for no additional cost. 
Thanks again, 
Dave Hogye 

From sjanzen at me.com  Fri Feb  4 08:49:14 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:49:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Moving Valve Guide  - how to fix?
Message-ID: <0769FA75-512B-4F8E-8130-3FCB743E90B9@me.com>

Doing some winter maintenance, I noticed that one of the intake valve  
guides has shifted down into the port about 1/4".  What's the  
appropriate fix for this, assuming the guide is a standard diameter?   
Reassemble with red loctite, JB weld, or ?

From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  4 11:57:49 2011
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:57:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Coolant routing, TR6 race engine
Message-ID: <834427.90849.qm@web114701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

>From your resident ChumpCar team, we have the silly question of the day...

We
know we need to NOT run the hot water through the intake manifold while
racing...right?  Isn't that just for cold weather driveability (not much of a
concern on the race car...)  So do we just block both ends, or is that flow
path 
crucial to engine cooling and we need to run a hose anyway?  Yes, we are
running 
two stock strombergs, we don't have a choice...for now...

Thanks for
answering our series of silly questions.  We're reinstalling the 
engine
(built with the finest used parts, apart from gaskets, seals and freeze
plugs, that we can find...again, it's in the rules...) this weekend and
figured 
we'd better get an answer...

Thanks,

Jamie Palmer
Squadron Leader
RiffRAF Racing
1975 TR6 ChumpCar

From harmug at us.ibm.com  Fri Feb  4 13:58:41 2011
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:58:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
Message-ID: <OF8098C0E9.0E81DD24-ON8525782D.0071E493-8525782D.00733CC7@us.ibm.com>

I have a spare racing engine, 1296, that broke two cams. I thought the
first one was a bad cam blank but when the second one broke in the same
spot, cylinder #3 intake, after 5 hours run time, we took a closer look at
the block. It appears that there's excessive wear in the block (hole is out
of round) and the (new) lifter is cocking enough to put excessive side
loading on the cam lob (radial fracture marks on the cam remains).

I don't have the exact measurements here, the mechanic does, but we were
discussing options. He was wondering if a sleeve could be used to get the
bore back in spec. I was wondering if anyone here has seen this and has
another solution. Is it possible to bore it out and use a larger lifter
from another series engine? Custom lifters?

Thanks in advance

mike

63 Spitfire
HP and HRG1

G. Michael Harmuth

From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Fri Feb  4 16:44:34 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 18:44:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Badges
Message-ID: <5AA276EA-C290-4313-99B1-AA80625A5370@aol.com>

Amici

Just a quick FYI.   All those who paid for a badge, they have been sent out
today.

There are more available.

I was wondering if there could beca posting on the website?

From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Fri Feb  4 17:45:27 2011
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (Chip Collingwood)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 19:45:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
Message-ID: <380-2201126504527526@earthlink.net>

Good question Mike/George,

The answer is most likely yes. On our race and street motors for the TR6 we
overbored the lifter holes and fitted them for the Ford solid lifter. Of
course this would not be legal for SCCA. But would be fine for
Vintage/Street applications as internal engine parts are "Free" in many
sanctioning bodies. This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
not effect maximum lift...and good lifters are available. What we did was
use a CNC and wrote a program to get the job done. You must be very
conscious of the relationship between the cam and the lifter bore angle and
offset. We also found that this mod interfered slightly with the
distributor drive...to get around this problem we offset the bore
centerline for that particular valve...it didn't take much.

Chip
U K Motorsports

> [Original Message]
> From: George Harmuth <harmug at us.ibm.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: 2/4/2011 3:58:53 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
>
> I have a spare racing engine, 1296, that broke two cams. I thought the
> first one was a bad cam blank but when the second one broke in the same
> spot, cylinder #3 intake, after 5 hours run time, we took a closer look at
> the block. It appears that there's excessive wear in the block (hole is
out
> of round) and the (new) lifter is cocking enough to put excessive side
> loading on the cam lob (radial fracture marks on the cam remains).
>
> I don't have the exact measurements here, the mechanic does, but we were
> discussing options. He was wondering if a sleeve could be used to get the
> bore back in spec. I was wondering if anyone here has seen this and has
> another solution. Is it possible to bore it out and use a larger lifter
> from another series engine? Custom lifters?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> mike
>
> 63 Spitfire
> HP and HRG1
>
> G. Michael Harmuth
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Fri Feb  4 19:22:03 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 02:22:03 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Moving Valve Guide  - how to fix?
Message-ID: <20110204.212203.29213.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

There are a couple of ways to fix this.  You can have an oversized guide
installed or if the guide is soft enough you can have it knurled and then
reinstalled.  Loctite sleeve retainer would be a good idea to help keep it in
place.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Moving Valve Guide  - how to fix?
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:49:14 -0500

Doing some winter maintenance, I noticed that one of the intake valve
guides has shifted down into the port about 1/4".  What's the
appropriate fix for this, assuming the guide is a standard diameter?
Reassemble with red loctite, JB weld, or ?
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Fri Feb  4 20:14:06 2011
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 19:14:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
References: <OF8098C0E9.0E81DD24-ON8525782D.0071E493-8525782D.00733CC7@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <7505A542EF7C4A9782A60ABFC62EB09E@Pendys>

 Had the same issue this past summer with three guides. Ended up over 
sizeing the bore and put in chevy guides cause they have a nice thick 
shoulder, these babies are not going to move.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Harmuth" <harmug at us.ibm.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 12:58 PM
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore


>I have a spare racing engine, 1296, that broke two cams. I thought the
> first one was a bad cam blank but when the second one broke in the same
> spot, cylinder #3 intake, after 5 hours run time, we took a closer look at
> the block. It appears that there's excessive wear in the block (hole is 
> out
> of round) and the (new) lifter is cocking enough to put excessive side
> loading on the cam lob (radial fracture marks on the cam remains).
>
> I don't have the exact measurements here, the mechanic does, but we were
> discussing options. He was wondering if a sleeve could be used to get the
> bore back in spec. I was wondering if anyone here has seen this and has
> another solution. Is it possible to bore it out and use a larger lifter
> from another series engine? Custom lifters?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> mike
>
> 63 Spitfire
> HP and HRG1
>
> G. Michael Harmuth
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat Feb  5 09:22:31 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 10:22:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <380-2201126504527526@earthlink.net>
References: <380-2201126504527526@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4D4D7947.5020009@pobox.com>

Chip, could you explain this?  How does a larger diameter lifter change 
the valve timing?

For the TR3/4 I've found that 99% of the available cams are designed 
using the lowest common denominator for lifters.  In the US, the 
smallest common lifter is the SBC at 0.842.  I've often wondered whether 
some of these grinds find their way into Spitfire and TR6 engines with 
the 0.800 lifter.  The result would be a cam that would run off the edge 
of the lifter. One can always get more lift by using a cam designed for 
a larger lifter.
Larry Young

On 2/4/2011 6:45 PM, Chip Collingwood wrote:
> This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
> not effect maximum lift...

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Feb  5 10:07:38 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 12:07:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Change of e-mail address
In-Reply-To: <91FDFE89A6314F63811ECC7F953596EB@HomePC>
References: <91FDFE89A6314F63811ECC7F953596EB@HomePC>
Message-ID: <8CD936E539EB8DE-1898-199AA@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com>

 address change for Bill.

congratulations on retirement....now the work really begins.








-----Original Message-----
From: Bill <weredinger at cox.net>
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Sent: Sat, Feb 5, 2011 10:53 am
Subject: Change of e-mail address








Due to my Retirement please   change my e-mail address:





William E Redinger PE

1014 N 127 Ave

Omaha NE 68154

402-496-2006



weredinger at cox.net



Thanks

Bill Redinger

From billb at bnj.com  Sat Feb  5 10:59:18 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 07:59:18 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Change of e-mail address
In-Reply-To: <8CD936E539EB8DE-1898-199AA@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com>
References: <91FDFE89A6314F63811ECC7F953596EB@HomePC>
	<8CD936E539EB8DE-1898-199AA@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C694BA3E-37B1-4C0C-A074-58942A0C5E68@bnj.com>

I'm really good at it, if you need any advice drop a note. Of course you need
to learn to surf.

On Feb 5, 2011, at 7:07 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:

> address change for Bill.
>
> congratulations on retirement....now the work really begins.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill <weredinger at cox.net>
> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
> Sent: Sat, Feb 5, 2011 10:53 am
> Subject: Change of e-mail address
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Due to my Retirement please   change my e-mail address:
>
>
>
>
>
> William E Redinger PE
>
> 1014 N 127 Ave
>
> Omaha NE 68154
>
> 402-496-2006
>
>
>
> weredinger at cox.net
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
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From goodparts at verizon.net  Sat Feb  5 12:12:47 2011
From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good)
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 14:12:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4A question
Message-ID: <C2E7EE890B6D454D8EFEA3744375BEF4@AdminPC>

I am designing radiator shrouds for TR4, TR4A and TR250.  Can anyone tell me
where the coolant overflow bottle mounts on the TR4A?  The car I used for
patterning the shroud had the mounting tab of the bottle mounting bracket
sandwiched between the frame mounting pad and the radiator mount on the right
side.  This placed the bottle directly front of the radiator mounting bolt and
in the way of the right side of the OE shroud.  The side of the shroud had to
bend inward to pass the bottle.  I would like to confirm if this is the
correct placement of the bottle before designing the shroud around it.

Thanks,
Richard Good
Good Parts

From billb at bnj.com  Sat Feb  5 13:06:00 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 10:06:00 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <4D4D7947.5020009@pobox.com>
References: <380-2201126504527526@earthlink.net> <4D4D7947.5020009@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <EB6D7B99-2229-4FBD-A053-21A52A487ABE@bnj.com>

Okay, that one confused me. How do you get more lift using a cam designed for
a larger lifter. When the cam is at full lift on any lifter it is in the
center of the lifter. Are you saying you can use a higher lift cam that runs
off the edge of the lifter to get more lift?
Bill
On Feb 5, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Larry Young wrote:

> Chip, could you explain this?  How does a larger diameter lifter change the
valve timing?
>
> For the TR3/4 I've found that 99% of the available cams are designed using
the lowest common denominator for lifters.  In the US, the smallest common
lifter is the SBC at 0.842.  I've often wondered whether some of these grinds
find their way into Spitfire and TR6 engines with the 0.800 lifter.  The
result would be a cam that would run off the edge of the lifter. One can
always get more lift by using a cam designed for a larger lifter.
> Larry Young
>
> On 2/4/2011 6:45 PM, Chip Collingwood wrote:
>> This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
>> not effect maximum lift...
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Feb  5 13:53:45 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:53:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <EB6D7B99-2229-4FBD-A053-21A52A487ABE@bnj.com>
References: <380-2201126504527526@earthlink.net> <4D4D7947.5020009@pobox.com>
	<EB6D7B99-2229-4FBD-A053-21A52A487ABE@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <663FF9C3EFE340C0914075716173CAFC@Vista>

Bill, 
The lifter diameter is typically sized for the amount of lift on the cam's
lobe.  If it is too small, the lobe will run off the edge and cause damage
to the cam.  So you must have a lifter properly sized for the cam itself.
This was the case with early Spitfire engines.  They had very small lifters.
Later when the cam was upgraded, they had to increase the size of the lifter
to keep pace with the cam upgrade.  Anybody who has an early Spitfire 1147
engine and wants to upgrade its performance would have run into this issue,
(Right Cary?)!

Joe

So, the cam itself dictates the lifter size not the other way.  It would be
like the tail wagging the dog.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:06 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore

Okay, that one confused me. How do you get more lift using a cam designed
for
a larger lifter. When the cam is at full lift on any lifter it is in the
center of the lifter. Are you saying you can use a higher lift cam that runs
off the edge of the lifter to get more lift?
Bill
On Feb 5, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Larry Young wrote:

> Chip, could you explain this?  How does a larger diameter lifter change
the
valve timing?
>
> For the TR3/4 I've found that 99% of the available cams are designed using
the lowest common denominator for lifters.  In the US, the smallest common
lifter is the SBC at 0.842.  I've often wondered whether some of these
grinds
find their way into Spitfire and TR6 engines with the 0.800 lifter.  The
result would be a cam that would run off the edge of the lifter. One can
always get more lift by using a cam designed for a larger lifter.
> Larry Young
>
> On 2/4/2011 6:45 PM, Chip Collingwood wrote:
>> This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
>> not effect maximum lift...
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sat Feb  5 14:05:20 2011
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:05:20 EST
Subject: [Fot] Chuckwalla
Message-ID: <18162.67d5374a.3a7f1590@aol.com>

Who's going to the new Chuckwalla Raceway?
 
So far I know myself, I think, and Ken Knight.
 
Paddock should be a mess, eh?

From kaskas at cox.net  Sat Feb  5 16:15:49 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 15:15:49 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <663FF9C3EFE340C0914075716173CAFC@Vista>
Message-ID: <20110205181549.H8SPJ.1110248.imail@fed1rmwml35>

I can't agree with you Joe or maybe I just misunderstand your meaning. The lifter is the object of attention when doing up a new cam.  Every engine I did and had cams made, ( all the Triumphs for 12 years) first requirement from the cam guys was "what is the diameter of the lifter", from this dimension we did the camshafts.
---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote: 
Bill, 
The lifter diameter is typically sized for the amount of lift on the cam's
lobe.  If it is too small, the lobe will run off the edge and cause damage
to the cam.  So you must have a lifter properly sized for the cam itself.
This was the case with early Spitfire engines.  They had very small lifters.
Later when the cam was upgraded, they had to increase the size of the lifter
to keep pace with the cam upgrade.  Anybody who has an early Spitfire 1147
engine and wants to upgrade its performance would have run into this issue,
(Right Cary?)!

Joe

So, the cam itself dictates the lifter size not the other way.  It would be
like the tail wagging the dog.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:06 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore

Okay, that one confused me. How do you get more lift using a cam designed
for
a larger lifter. When the cam is at full lift on any lifter it is in the
center of the lifter. Are you saying you can use a higher lift cam that runs
off the edge of the lifter to get more lift?
Bill
On Feb 5, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Larry Young wrote:

> Chip, could you explain this?  How does a larger diameter lifter change
the
valve timing?
>
> For the TR3/4 I've found that 99% of the available cams are designed using
the lowest common denominator for lifters.  In the US, the smallest common
lifter is the SBC at 0.842.  I've often wondered whether some of these
grinds
find their way into Spitfire and TR6 engines with the 0.800 lifter.  The
result would be a cam that would run off the edge of the lifter. One can
always get more lift by using a cam designed for a larger lifter.
> Larry Young
>
> On 2/4/2011 6:45 PM, Chip Collingwood wrote:
>> This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
>> not effect maximum lift...
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Feb  5 16:58:53 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:58:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <20110205181549.H8SPJ.1110248.imail@fed1rmwml35>
References: <663FF9C3EFE340C0914075716173CAFC@Vista>
	<20110205181549.H8SPJ.1110248.imail@fed1rmwml35>
Message-ID: <B7362518C6ED4F09A9EC155C08875296@Vista>

I think I said the same thing you did Kas.  The lifter size is directly
related to the lift of the cam lobe.  Yes, cam manufacturers ask about the
lifter size so they know how far they can go with the cam development.  But
as with the early 1147 engine, there are other work-arounds.  Triumph
increased the diameter of the lifter in order to go with a more radical cam
design.  Early engines have to have the lifter channels bored out to accept
the later (larger) lifters.  The Mk1 lifters were 11/16" and when the Mk2
came out with the improved cam, Triumph increased the size to 13/16".

Maybe my wording was not clear.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:16 PM
To: 'Bill Babcock'; Joe Curry; 'Larry Young'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore

I can't agree with you Joe or maybe I just misunderstand your meaning. The
lifter is the object of attention when doing up a new cam.  Every engine I
did and had cams made, ( all the Triumphs for 12 years) first requirement
from the cam guys was "what is the diameter of the lifter", from this
dimension we did the camshafts.
---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote: 
Bill, 
The lifter diameter is typically sized for the amount of lift on the cam's
lobe.  If it is too small, the lobe will run off the edge and cause damage
to the cam.  So you must have a lifter properly sized for the cam itself.
This was the case with early Spitfire engines.  They had very small lifters.
Later when the cam was upgraded, they had to increase the size of the lifter
to keep pace with the cam upgrade.  Anybody who has an early Spitfire 1147
engine and wants to upgrade its performance would have run into this issue,
(Right Cary?)!

Joe

So, the cam itself dictates the lifter size not the other way.  It would be
like the tail wagging the dog.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:06 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore

Okay, that one confused me. How do you get more lift using a cam designed
for
a larger lifter. When the cam is at full lift on any lifter it is in the
center of the lifter. Are you saying you can use a higher lift cam that runs
off the edge of the lifter to get more lift?
Bill
On Feb 5, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Larry Young wrote:

> Chip, could you explain this?  How does a larger diameter lifter change
the
valve timing?
>
> For the TR3/4 I've found that 99% of the available cams are designed using
the lowest common denominator for lifters.  In the US, the smallest common
lifter is the SBC at 0.842.  I've often wondered whether some of these
grinds
find their way into Spitfire and TR6 engines with the 0.800 lifter.  The
result would be a cam that would run off the edge of the lifter. One can
always get more lift by using a cam designed for a larger lifter.
> Larry Young
>
> On 2/4/2011 6:45 PM, Chip Collingwood wrote:
>> This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
>> not effect maximum lift...
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Feb  5 17:36:55 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:36:55 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <B7362518C6ED4F09A9EC155C08875296@Vista>
References: <663FF9C3EFE340C0914075716173CAFC@Vista><20110205181549.H8SPJ.1110248.imail@fed1rmwml35>
	<B7362518C6ED4F09A9EC155C08875296@Vista>
Message-ID: <009201cbc595$f4bac170$0301a8c0@randall>

> The lifter size 
> is directly
> related to the lift of the cam lobe. 

I believe it's more the rate of lift that is limited by the lifter diameter
(for flat lifters).  It certainly is an important part of the cam design;
but the primary limitation is how fast the cam can move the lifter (per
degree of rotation) rather than how far.

Larry has a good description (with drawings) at
http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Technical/CamDesign.html

-- Randall  

From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Sun Feb  6 06:21:07 2011
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (Chip Collingwood)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 08:21:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
Message-ID: <380-2201120613217557@earthlink.net>

Larry,

I miss spoke. The increased diameter would not change valve timing. It
would though give you the ability to increase the profile of the cam
without running off the edge...a good result for a full race
motor...expanding possibilities


> [Original Message]
> From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: 2/5/2011 11:22:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
>
> Chip, could you explain this?  How does a larger diameter lifter change 
> the valve timing?
>
> For the TR3/4 I've found that 99% of the available cams are designed 
> using the lowest common denominator for lifters.  In the US, the 
> smallest common lifter is the SBC at 0.842.  I've often wondered whether 
> some of these grinds find their way into Spitfire and TR6 engines with 
> the 0.800 lifter.  The result would be a cam that would run off the edge 
> of the lifter. One can always get more lift by using a cam designed for 
> a larger lifter.
> Larry Young
>
> On 2/4/2011 6:45 PM, Chip Collingwood wrote:
> > This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
> > not effect maximum lift...
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From tpettenati at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  6 08:21:42 2011
From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:21:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <171471.25846.qm@web180312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

.Believe in magic pills! http://abenrs.com.br/2011.php?topic=0290 .

From kaskas at cox.net  Sat Feb  5 18:01:53 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:01:53 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <B7362518C6ED4F09A9EC155C08875296@Vista>
Message-ID: <20110205200153.E65Z1.544061.imail@fed1rmwml4201>

I remember well the tiny lifter in the first Spitfire engines.  I had to deal with it, successfully I might add. 



---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote: 
I think I said the same thing you did Kas.  The lifter size is directly
related to the lift of the cam lobe.  Yes, cam manufacturers ask about the
lifter size so they know how far they can go with the cam development.  But
as with the early 1147 engine, there are other work-arounds.  Triumph
increased the diameter of the lifter in order to go with a more radical cam
design.  Early engines have to have the lifter channels bored out to accept
the later (larger) lifters.  The Mk1 lifters were 11/16" and when the Mk2
came out with the improved cam, Triumph increased the size to 13/16".

Maybe my wording was not clear.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:16 PM
To: 'Bill Babcock'; Joe Curry; 'Larry Young'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore

I can't agree with you Joe or maybe I just misunderstand your meaning. The
lifter is the object of attention when doing up a new cam.  Every engine I
did and had cams made, ( all the Triumphs for 12 years) first requirement
from the cam guys was "what is the diameter of the lifter", from this
dimension we did the camshafts.
---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote: 
Bill, 
The lifter diameter is typically sized for the amount of lift on the cam's
lobe.  If it is too small, the lobe will run off the edge and cause damage
to the cam.  So you must have a lifter properly sized for the cam itself.
This was the case with early Spitfire engines.  They had very small lifters.
Later when the cam was upgraded, they had to increase the size of the lifter
to keep pace with the cam upgrade.  Anybody who has an early Spitfire 1147
engine and wants to upgrade its performance would have run into this issue,
(Right Cary?)!

Joe

So, the cam itself dictates the lifter size not the other way.  It would be
like the tail wagging the dog.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:06 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore

Okay, that one confused me. How do you get more lift using a cam designed
for
a larger lifter. When the cam is at full lift on any lifter it is in the
center of the lifter. Are you saying you can use a higher lift cam that runs
off the edge of the lifter to get more lift?
Bill
On Feb 5, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Larry Young wrote:

> Chip, could you explain this?  How does a larger diameter lifter change
the
valve timing?
>
> For the TR3/4 I've found that 99% of the available cams are designed using
the lowest common denominator for lifters.  In the US, the smallest common
lifter is the SBC at 0.842.  I've often wondered whether some of these
grinds
find their way into Spitfire and TR6 engines with the 0.800 lifter.  The
result would be a cam that would run off the edge of the lifter. One can
always get more lift by using a cam designed for a larger lifter.
> Larry Young
>
> On 2/4/2011 6:45 PM, Chip Collingwood wrote:
>> This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
>> not effect maximum lift...
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Feb  6 12:28:56 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 13:28:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <009201cbc595$f4bac170$0301a8c0@randall>
References: <663FF9C3EFE340C0914075716173CAFC@Vista><20110205181549.H8SPJ.1110248.imail@fed1rmwml35>
	<B7362518C6ED4F09A9EC155C08875296@Vista>
	<009201cbc595$f4bac170$0301a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <4D4EF678.1030601@pobox.com>

It is usually the cam that is designed for the lifter, not the other way 
around.  As Randall said, the rate of lift or the slope of the lift 
curve can be greater with a larger lifter.  If you can make the rate of 
lift greater, you can get more lift, which is a good thing.
Larry

On 2/5/2011 6:36 PM, Randall wrote:
>> The lifter size
>> is directly
>> related to the lift of the cam lobe.
> I believe it's more the rate of lift that is limited by the lifter diameter
> (for flat lifters).  It certainly is an important part of the cam design;
> but the primary limitation is how fast the cam can move the lifter (per
> degree of rotation) rather than how far.
>
> Larry has a good description (with drawings) at
> http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Technical/CamDesign.html
>
> -- Randall
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From john at race-dogs.com  Sun Feb  6 13:28:19 2011
From: john at race-dogs.com (John Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:28:19 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Chuckwalla
In-Reply-To: <18162.67d5374a.3a7f1590@aol.com>
References: <18162.67d5374a.3a7f1590@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001101cbc63c$64a42ed0$2dec8c70$@com>

Steve-
No worries about the Paddock- Will it be a little tight?- Yes! Will it be a
mess no!
Paul and Kim as the race chairs have be working hard and have gone out to
the track last week to get the parking arrangement setup up, so all will
have a 20x57 space- It will be a organized parking structure, unlike what we
are normally use too-  So if would like to have those who you normally park
next to you there, just request it and it should not be a problem- It would
be great if you had a HARD number when the first of your group arrives so
you all can work together-

Thanks-

JW

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Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:05 PM
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Chuckwalla

Who's going to the new Chuckwalla Raceway?
 
So far I know myself, I think, and Ken Knight.
 
Paddock should be a mess, eh?
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Feb  6 13:46:19 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 13:46:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <4D4EF678.1030601@pobox.com>
References: <663FF9C3EFE340C0914075716173CAFC@Vista><20110205181549.H8SPJ.1110248.imail@fed1rmwml35><B7362518C6ED4F09A9EC155C08875296@Vista><009201cbc595$f4bac170$0301a8c0@randall>
	<4D4EF678.1030601@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <A5EE01FB604841CE9E88E27E6C2BBC1D@Vista>

I think the truest thing that can be said (at least in the initial engine
design) is that the two are designed in tandem.  Most likely the designer
figured out what sort of cam he wanted and made sure that the lifter
diameter was appropriate.

After that, all bets are off because of the limits of what you can do in
terms of lifter size.  Thankfully, the Mk1 Spit engines had enough metal to
bore the channel in order to install larger lifters.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Larry Young
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 12:29 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore

It is usually the cam that is designed for the lifter, not the other way 
around.  As Randall said, the rate of lift or the slope of the lift 
curve can be greater with a larger lifter.  If you can make the rate of 
lift greater, you can get more lift, which is a good thing.
Larry

From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Sun Feb  6 16:34:22 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 09:34:22 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
Message-ID: <AANLkTikrUGmv=Rb7Vjmv7drqbTmXLyZStL77iC4mBp1-@mail.gmail.com>

the problem is mostly the acceleration rate (profile) of the cam, not the
max lift per-se. as the cam rotates, the shape of cam lobe is designed not
to dig into the edge of the lifter (or vice versa). this is called
edge-riding and is a very common problem when upgrading modern OHC engines
where everything is designed to work perfectly, with zero room for change.

to check this out, put some engineers blue on the face of the lifter and
rotate the cam. it is OK, if a thin blue edge remains around the
circumference of the lifter. if the cam wipes it off totally, thats not
right. the cam and the lifter are scraping (not riding). eventually, the cam
wears the sharp edge off the lifter and/or the cam lobe wears away; neither
being good

the cam designer can mathematically determine the profile from the lifter
diameter, thats why its his first question

Terry O'Beirne

From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Sun Feb  6 19:59:18 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:59:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Neat website with brochures
Message-ID: <54008.7174.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This is a cool trip down memory lane, found a few of my old cars, kind of
brings a tear to my eyes, wish i still had a couple of them.
A website featuring the original factory brochures for nearly every American
car you have ever owned. Pick the manufacturer, the year and the model.
Enjoy!
 
Note also check out the miscellaneous section very interesting!!
 < http://www.lov2xlr8.no/broch1.html

From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Feb  6 20:51:30 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 19:51:30 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Neat website with brochures
References: <54008.7174.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2D305FBBF96B46D58C6302A6F40044A0@Bud>

Thanks Ed..!..Terrific Stuff!...
Racer bud
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To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 6:59 PM
Subject: [Fot] Neat website with brochures


> This is a cool trip down memory lane, found a few of my old cars, kind of
> brings a tear to my eyes, wish i still had a couple of them.
> A website featuring the original factory brochures for nearly every 
> American
> car you have ever owned. Pick the manufacturer, the year and the model.
> Enjoy!
>
> Note also check out the miscellaneous section very interesting!!
> < http://www.lov2xlr8.no/broch1.html
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From igofaster at att.net  Sun Feb  6 20:53:23 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 19:53:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] sometimes it runs, and then...
Message-ID: <861578.89506.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Still working the bugs out of my GT6 re-build from last September. Spent 
November at TWS working all weekend long trying to get the car 'dialed in'. I 
was registering either no temp on an EGR meter or all about way too hot on both 
EGT meters. I've rebuilt a new intake manifold and just got my carb's back this 
month from Joe Curto who prepared them when the car was first built. I suspected 
faulty temp probes or EGT guage so I ordered a new set from Pegasus.  I also 
bought a couple of nice Kas designed velocity stacks and filters from Joe... all 
looks so very nice...
The leads must have been faulty because today when I started the car initially, 
all the temps were in the lower scale, good! Then... the car dies. It did this 
the other day. Runs, and then just dies. I check the coil the other day by 
trying to short the lead when firing... nothing,, nothing,, the spark... the car 
fired up.
Same thing tonight, starts right up, runs for about a minute, then dies,,, no 
spark at the coil. I have two MSD 6A's and two MSD coil blasters.. the car did 
this about a year ago at TWS and I changed out the MSD 6A and the ran. I sent 
the old 6A to the factory and it came back 'BENCH TESTED GOOD, NO FAULTS' ...  
so... I'm not an electrical engineer, what am I missing.. I think I'll try to 
look at the switches tomorrow and see if there is something loose there... any 
ideas why I'm having intermittent problems guys?

Bobby Whitehead
#39 DP Triumph GT6+ CVAR Group 7

sponsored by www.toolsandjewels.com
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Feb  7 00:17:07 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:17:07 +0100
Subject: [Fot] sometimes it runs, and then...
In-Reply-To: <861578.89506.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <861578.89506.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000301cbc697$09cf6820$1d6e3860$@com>

Seems that this issue is heat related.
The MSD 6a can be point trigger. If you use points check these or replace
them.
Also these high output coils do like to fail. The coil expand from heat and
when the isolation is not perfect coil binding can happen.
I would start there.
You also could switch over to a simple Pertronix and see what happens.

Cheers
Chris

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Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead
Gesendet: Montag, 7. Februar 2011 04:53
An: FoT Triumph
Cc: George Curl; Bill Haga
Betreff: [Fot] sometimes it runs, and then...

Still working the bugs out of my GT6 re-build from last September. Spent
November at TWS working all weekend long trying to get the car 'dialed in'.
I
was registering either no temp on an EGR meter or all about way too hot on
both
EGT meters. I've rebuilt a new intake manifold and just got my carb's back
this
month from Joe Curto who prepared them when the car was first built. I
suspected
faulty temp probes or EGT guage so I ordered a new set from Pegasus.  I also

bought a couple of nice Kas designed velocity stacks and filters from Joe...
all
looks so very nice...
The leads must have been faulty because today when I started the car
initially,
all the temps were in the lower scale, good! Then... the car dies. It did
this
the other day. Runs, and then just dies. I check the coil the other day by
trying to short the lead when firing... nothing,, nothing,, the spark... the
car
fired up.
Same thing tonight, starts right up, runs for about a minute, then dies,,,
no
spark at the coil. I have two MSD 6A's and two MSD coil blasters.. the car
did
this about a year ago at TWS and I changed out the MSD 6A and the ran. I
sent
the old 6A to the factory and it came back 'BENCH TESTED GOOD, NO FAULTS'
...
so... I'm not an electrical engineer, what am I missing.. I think I'll try
to
look at the switches tomorrow and see if there is something loose there...
any
ideas why I'm having intermittent problems guys?

Bobby Whitehead
#39 DP Triumph GT6+ CVAR Group 7

sponsored by www.toolsandjewels.com
       The Pawn Star of CVAR

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From henry at henryfrye.com  Mon Feb  7 04:33:41 2011
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 06:33:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca details posted!
Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050D2DEB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local>

Details on our 2011 Kastner Cup event are posted on our website.

http://fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/

Your webmaster

From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Feb  7 07:09:52 2011
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:09:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Weber 40 DOCE on an 1147 Spitfire?
Message-ID: <001601cbc6d0$b1280bc0$13782340$@aero>

Is anybody running a sidedraft 40 DOCE on a 1147 Spitfire?

If so and you send me photos of your linkage set-up?

I have been given a 40 DOCE on the correct manifold for my 1147 but it lacks
the linkages and cables.   I am looking for some advice on how to install
and set it up, so any knowledge with respect to jetting will also be
appreciated.

Thanks!


Robert MacKenzie
President, Hill Country Triumph Club
president at hillcountrytriumphclub.org
www.hillcountrytriumphclub.org

From jkhagen at charter.net  Mon Feb  7 08:13:42 2011
From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 10:13:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
Message-ID: <1138795019.9439977.1297091628061.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>

Way to go Terry---Lifter diameter is dictated by the "ramp angle"--
First [FOT] rookie question-TR-4 built 1968--it as a positraction rear--
any easy way to ID it Detriot-or Salisbury?  Thanks,  John Hagen


On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:

> the problem is mostly the acceleration rate (profile) of the cam, not 
> the
> max lift per-se. as the cam rotates, the shape of cam lobe is designed 
> not
> to dig into the edge of the lifter (or vice versa). this is called
> edge-riding and is a very common problem when upgrading modern OHC 
> engines
> where everything is designed to work perfectly, with zero room for 
> change.
>
> to check this out, put some engineers blue on the face of the lifter 
> and
> rotate the cam. it is OK, if a thin blue edge remains around the
> circumference of the lifter. if the cam wipes it off totally, thats 
> not
> right. the cam and the lifter are scraping (not riding). eventually, 
> the cam
> wears the sharp edge off the lifter and/or the cam lobe wears away; 
> neither
> being good
>
> the cam designer can mathematically determine the profile from the 
> lifter
> diameter, thats why its his first question
>
> Terry O'Beirne
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Feb  7 08:59:37 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 07:59:37 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Coolant routing, TR6 race engine
References: <834427.90849.qm@web114701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B3914982FAC34BADBE3307E4D9CF8252@Charly>

Jamie, I'm not sure if you got your answer, but I do on my racecar run a 
pipe from the back of the head where the heater valve attaches to the water 
pump housing.  This will assure that you get adequate flow through the head.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jamie Palmer" <tr6driver at yahoo.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 10:57 AM
Subject: [Fot] Coolant routing, TR6 race engine


> >From your resident ChumpCar team, we have the silly question of the 
> >day...
>
> We
> know we need to NOT run the hot water through the intake manifold while
> racing...right?  Isn't that just for cold weather driveability (not much 
> of a
> concern on the race car...)  So do we just block both ends, or is that 
> flow
> path
> crucial to engine cooling and we need to run a hose anyway?  Yes, we are
> running
> two stock strombergs, we don't have a choice...for now...
>
> Thanks for
> answering our series of silly questions.  We're reinstalling the
> engine
> (built with the finest used parts, apart from gaskets, seals and freeze
> plugs, that we can find...again, it's in the rules...) this weekend and
> figured
> we'd better get an answer...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jamie Palmer
> Squadron Leader
> RiffRAF Racing
> 1975 TR6 ChumpCar
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Feb  7 10:56:24 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 09:56:24 -0800
Subject: [Fot] patches
Message-ID: <B4F6A2DB1F31480BA8A75AAB1F47BB56@Bud>

Hi Gary...I received the patches today..Terrific!...Thanks for taking the time
and effort to do this.
Racer Bud..Sitfire #21

From REK46 at aol.com  Mon Feb  7 11:27:21 2011
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 13:27:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] patches
Message-ID: <5af23.3e9beb5f.3a819389@aol.com>

are there more patches left?
 
 
In a message dated 2/7/2011 1:23:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
budscars at comcast.net writes:

Hi  Gary...I received the patches today..Terrific!...Thanks for taking the  
time
and effort to do this.
Racer Bud..Sitfire  #21
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From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Mon Feb  7 19:11:57 2011
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 20:11:57 -0600
Subject: [Fot] solid graphite intake/exhaust
In-Reply-To: <247c4.4fef2a2d.39e74507@aol.com>
References: <247c4.4fef2a2d.39e74507@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001cbc735$909f3c60$b1ddb520$@rr.com>

Do you still have these intake/exhaust gaskets for the TR3/4 motor?  What
are the benefits costs.

Thanks,

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:23 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Copper head gasket source?

Need source for all-copper head gasket and solid graphite intake/exhaust  
gaskets
 
Dave Spiwak spiwakd at aol.com
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Feb  7 20:08:13 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 21:08:13 -0600
Subject: [Fot] solid graphite intake/exhaust
In-Reply-To: <000001cbc735$909f3c60$b1ddb520$@rr.com>
References: <247c4.4fef2a2d.39e74507@aol.com>
	<000001cbc735$909f3c60$b1ddb520$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <20110208030819.C5CA218764A@autox.team.net>

I've got a few of the solid graphite intake / exhaust gaskets for the 
high port head.  It's all I use - Jack used to sell them.

They are probably 3/16" thick (or so), and they are compressible so 
they seal where none of the other gaskets will seal.  If the normal 
gaskets work, you don't need these.  If you have a slightly warped 
header or just have problems sealing the header (or intake for that 
manifold), these are the fix.  They are not reusable, and they're not 
exactly cheap, but sure cheaper than a new header.

I can do $70 including shipping in the continental US - the last 
batch I had made was less expensive than last time around (maybe I 
ordered more?).

- Tony Drews

At 08:11 PM 2/7/2011, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:
>Do you still have these intake/exhaust gaskets for the TR3/4 motor?  What
>are the benefits costs.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Greg
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
>Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:23 PM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Copper head gasket source?
>
>Need source for all-copper head gasket and solid graphite intake/exhaust
>gaskets
>
>Dave Spiwak spiwakd at aol.com

From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Feb  7 20:15:11 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 19:15:11 -0800
Subject: [Fot] are FOT messages getting through?
Message-ID: <E0C8DCC766D7485F8870B3D7DC6544D7@Bud>

Is anyone experiencing problems regarding receipt/sending of messages to
members?..
RB

From mlcooknj at msn.com  Tue Feb  8 09:27:25 2011
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 11:27:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: Mike My new E-mail adress to use in the VTR Mag.
In-Reply-To: <5363754CE7FD477997B138F175B2E7B4@HomePC>
References: <E1PmTDq-00039p-3m@vps4063.inmotionhosting.com>,
	<5363754CE7FD477997B138F175B2E7B4@HomePC>
Message-ID: <BAY147-w36E323884EB1576034E0FBC8EA0@phx.gbl>

To all FOT. See Bill Redinger new e-mail addres below. The previous one no
longer works.

>
> Mike, please change my e-mail address to weredinger at cox.net since my
> retirement.  Bill

From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Feb  8 11:00:56 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 10:00:56 -0800
Subject: [Fot] FOT BADGE
Message-ID: <D3D60E88D9B34BF3BE32DF4FF3CB5979@Bud>

Hi Chris....I received the badge today...WOW...now I know what the guys meant
when they said it's too nice to put on the grille....Absolutely Beautiful
Work.....
Thanks for everything!
Racer Bud...Spitfire #21

From jfrymark at aol.com  Tue Feb  8 14:17:21 2011
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 13:17:21 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 TR6 suspension question
Message-ID: <F1528F3B-A7DF-4F44-BE2F-6F4213BB2595@aol.com>

In the recent Classic Motorsports comparison of Sam Halkias' and the  
Group 44 TR6, the latter is listed as having Eibach springs. Anyone  
able to shed light on this? Did Eibach make TR dimensioned springs in  
the period or is there a trick mod to adapt a current offering to fit?  
I am especially interested in the rears to have readily available and  
lower cost options than custom-mades

John Frymark

From adcronin at mi.rr.com  Tue Feb  8 16:50:55 2011
From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 18:50:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Front Suspension, shims
Message-ID: <4AD0855F-B9B8-42CC-AB83-388F55ACB79A@mi.rr.com>

Does anyone have information on just how much one shim will change the camber
in the TR6 front suspension---assume a start point of +/- 0 degrees, add one
ship and you get ______what fraction of a degree negative camber.  Am
wondering how many shims should I should start with when setting up the bare
chassis---which is leveled fore and aft, port and starboard.
Thanks for any information you can shard.
Dan

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Feb  8 17:02:40 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 19:02:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 TR6 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <F1528F3B-A7DF-4F44-BE2F-6F4213BB2595@aol.com>
References: <F1528F3B-A7DF-4F44-BE2F-6F4213BB2595@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1102081857430.648@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I've looked at that suspension quite a bit.

Gp 44 / Bill Warner installed some spring buckets to the upper spring 
perch - I forget if they use jacking screws or not, but the bucket is 
sized for 2.5" springs (or some stock dimension spring)

That's pretty much it.

They then use some really, really hefty shocks (telescoping type) mounted 
to the roll cage and to the stock lower mounting ear on the trailing arm. 
NOTE: YOU NEED GUSSETS ON THE TRAILING ARMS!!!

I probably have pix somewhere. ;-)

regards,
rml
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  8 19:09:04 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 21:09:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] paging Bill Tobin
Message-ID: <BLU156-w84D40C802F499C4831B7FBAED0@phx.gbl>

Bill, shoot me an email. Yours keeps bouncing back.

Marty Sukey

From adcronin at mi.rr.com  Tue Feb  8 20:06:58 2011
From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 22:06:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Test---
Message-ID: <137F7EA0-D281-43B1-A996-A15A46B4FB20@mi.rr.com>

My attempts to get out a question keep coming back:  with the following:
			-Results
			  Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts

			-Unprocessed"
			 
Anyone have any hints?

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Feb  8 21:11:29 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 23:11:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] paging Bill Tobin
In-Reply-To: <BLU156-w84D40C802F499C4831B7FBAED0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU156-w84D40C802F499C4831B7FBAED0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CD96268F8E7968-1C38-10A1F@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>

 I got a call from Bill.....he has no computer, as it retired when he did.

He IS preparing is car to run at Laguna Seca.

Joe A.








-----Original Message-----
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 8:09 pm
Subject: [Fot] paging Bill Tobin


Bill, shoot me an email. Yours keeps bouncing back.



Marty Sukey

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Feb  8 21:13:30 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 23:13:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Test---
In-Reply-To: <137F7EA0-D281-43B1-A996-A15A46B4FB20@mi.rr.com>
References: <137F7EA0-D281-43B1-A996-A15A46B4FB20@mi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8CD9626D81F0264-1C38-10A85@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>

 Is it one one those 'too long' messages.








-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Cronin <adcronin at mi.rr.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 9:06 pm
Subject: [Fot] Test---


My attempts to get out a question keep coming back:  with the following:

            -Results

              Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts



            -Unprocessed"



Anyone have any hints?

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From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Feb  8 22:38:59 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 22:38:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Test---
In-Reply-To: <8CD9626D81F0264-1C38-10A85@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>
References: <137F7EA0-D281-43B1-A996-A15A46B4FB20@mi.rr.com>
	<8CD9626D81F0264-1C38-10A85@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8241C30B5B2A4FAF90F939377EE4AB76@Vista>

Either that or a mime is stuck inside one of those invisible boxes!  :)

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 9:14 PM
To: adcronin at mi.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Test---

 Is it one one those 'too long' messages.








-----Original Message-----
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To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 9:06 pm
Subject: [Fot] Test---


My attempts to get out a question keep coming back:  with the following:

            -Results

              Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts



            -Unprocessed"



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From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Feb  9 00:59:47 2011
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 07:59:47 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 TR6 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <F1528F3B-A7DF-4F44-BE2F-6F4213BB2595@aol.com>
References: <F1528F3B-A7DF-4F44-BE2F-6F4213BB2595@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinQDNnBmoT7D+Lg2LVMth5Taa_tFsYr8wKyVKV-@mail.gmail.com>

I have bought a set of similar springs [forget the brand, but a
competitor].  They are too narrow in diameter to fit the TR, so  had some
mouts machined to hold them [since they are shorter than stock there was
room for it.  Glad to pass along the e-machine shop file I created.  I got 4
made [for the front] as I had already rigged up something o the rear.  Cost
was about $200 -- but a group order of a larger quantity could significantly
lower the costs [I am willing to do that, place a group order, but am out of
the country till June, so delivery would be difficult].

After talking to a particularly fast TR6 guy [white TR6 #7 whom I sure most
of you know], I raised my spring weights to 800 pounds in the rear [8" tall
springs] and 600 in the front [6" tall, but the spacers add an inch top and
bottom.

As an alternative, Ted Schumaker [TSI Automotive] told me he could deiver TR
diameter springs in whatever length and poundage you want.

Chuck

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 9:17 PM, John Frymark <jfrymark at aol.com> wrote:

> In the recent Classic Motorsports comparison of Sam Halkias' and the Group
> 44 TR6, the latter is listed as having Eibach springs. Anyone able to shed
> light on this? Did Eibach make TR dimensioned springs in the period or is
> there a trick mod to adapt a current offering to fit? I am especially
> interested in the rears to have readily available and lower cost options
> than custom-mades
>
> John Frymark
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-- 
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From adcronin at mi.rr.com  Wed Feb  9 07:12:08 2011
From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 09:12:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Shim Packs
Message-ID: <AB931B98-A2C4-4CA8-A3E8-6D2A06D98B9E@mi.rr.com>

2/9
Will try re sending this after a failed attempt last evening.  Does anyone
have information on how many shims to start with in setting up the TR6 front
suspension?  Also, just what fraction of a degree of movement one shim results
in?
Thanks for any input you can provide.
Dan

From goodparts at verizon.net  Wed Feb  9 09:25:38 2011
From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 11:25:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Shim Packs
In-Reply-To: <AB931B98-A2C4-4CA8-A3E8-6D2A06D98B9E@mi.rr.com>
References: <AB931B98-A2C4-4CA8-A3E8-6D2A06D98B9E@mi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <DA3E7B9E061A4913A2C40EF199EEFCC9@AdminPC>

Dan,

I would not trust any general rule for number of shims.  For initial 
setting, sit the frame on jack stands and shim it till it is level.  Then 
with the spring out, position the suspension at your best guess of normal 
ride height.  You can calculate from frame to ground clearance or spindle to 
fender height or whatever reference you have.  Then shim the suspension to 
get the desired camber angle measured on the face of the hub.  Harbor 
freight sells a magnetic, digital angle gauge for $30 that works nicely.

I figured out the camber change per shim a while ago.  If I remember 
correctly both lower brackets had to move about 3/16" to change one degree. 
That is three shims on each bracket.  Or 4 on one and 2 on the other if you 
need to change castor.  So I guess you could say a total of 6 shims for one 
degree or 1/6 degree per shim.

Regards,
Richard Good
Good Parts

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Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 9:12 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Shim Packs


> 2/9
> Will try re sending this after a failed attempt last evening.  Does anyone
> have information on how many shims to start with in setting up the TR6 
> front
> suspension?  Also, just what fraction of a degree of movement one shim 
> results
> in?
> Thanks for any input you can provide.
> Dan
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Feb  9 09:32:50 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 16:32:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Shim Packs
In-Reply-To: <AB931B98-A2C4-4CA8-A3E8-6D2A06D98B9E@mi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1152870902.183053.1297269170078.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Dan,



On the TR4 I started out with max shim pack ( bolts max'd ) which gave me -3.4
degrees.

Before Topeka I took out two shims to get back .3 degrees leaving -3.1.

I'll probably go back to the -3.4 and just flip the tires every few weekends.

-3.4 front & -2.7 rear the car is neutral.



Jim g




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To: "FOT List" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2011 7:12:08 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Shim Packs

2/9
Will try re sending this after a failed attempt last evening. B Does anyone
have information on how many shims to start with in setting up the TR6 front
suspension? B Also, just what fraction of a degree of movement one shim
results
in?
Thanks for any input you can provide.
Dan
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Feb  9 14:03:12 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 15:03:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Shim Packs
In-Reply-To: <DA3E7B9E061A4913A2C40EF199EEFCC9@AdminPC>
References: <AB931B98-A2C4-4CA8-A3E8-6D2A06D98B9E@mi.rr.com>
	<DA3E7B9E061A4913A2C40EF199EEFCC9@AdminPC>
Message-ID: <4D530110.4050602@pobox.com>

I think the basic geometry is the same as for a TR3.  I was curious to 
see how well 3/16 agrees with the number in the little report I wrote -  
http://www.tildentechnologies.com/downloads/TRsuspension.PDF. The 
formula gives a 0.174 in/deg, which is very close to 3/16.  I was 
rereading that stuff I did back when I reworked the suspension on my 
TR3.  It's been so long I don't even understand what I wrote, so it's no 
wonder no one else does.  It does have accurate numbers for the geometry 
measurements though, so it could save time for anyone wanting to look at 
suspension mods.
Larry

On 2/9/2011 10:25 AM, Richard Good wrote:
> Dan,
>
> I would not trust any general rule for number of shims.  For initial 
> setting, sit the frame on jack stands and shim it till it is level.  
> Then with the spring out, position the suspension at your best guess 
> of normal ride height.  You can calculate from frame to ground 
> clearance or spindle to fender height or whatever reference you have.  
> Then shim the suspension to get the desired camber angle measured on 
> the face of the hub.  Harbor freight sells a magnetic, digital angle 
> gauge for $30 that works nicely.
>
> I figured out the camber change per shim a while ago.  If I remember 
> correctly both lower brackets had to move about 3/16" to change one 
> degree. That is three shims on each bracket.  Or 4 on one and 2 on the 
> other if you need to change castor.  So I guess you could say a total 
> of 6 shims for one degree or 1/6 degree per shim.
>
> Regards,
> Richard Good
> Good Parts
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Cronin" <adcronin at mi.rr.com>
> To: "FOT List" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 9:12 AM
> Subject: [Fot] TR6 Shim Packs
>
>
>> 2/9
>> Will try re sending this after a failed attempt last evening.  Does 
>> anyone
>> have information on how many shims to start with in setting up the 
>> TR6 front
>> suspension?  Also, just what fraction of a degree of movement one 
>> shim results
>> in?
>> Thanks for any input you can provide.
>> Dan
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Feb  9 21:25:20 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 21:25:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Test---
In-Reply-To: <137F7EA0-D281-43B1-A996-A15A46B4FB20@mi.rr.com>
References: <137F7EA0-D281-43B1-A996-A15A46B4FB20@mi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4D5368B0.7070400@bradakis.com>

Dan Cronin wrote:
> My attempts to get out a question keep coming back:  with the following:
> 			-Results
> 			  Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts
>
> 			-Unprocessed"
> 			
> Anyone have any hints?
>
>    

To what address are you sending these requests?

mjb.

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Feb  9 21:53:15 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 23:53:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TOLY ARUTUNOFF  INJURED
Message-ID: <8CD96F58FAD8318-1D80-3DC7@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com>

 Tony Adamowicz reports that Toly  was injured helping a stranded motorist in
a snow storm resulting in the amputation of a leg.

Some of you may have seen Toly at the TOPEKA event as he joined us there last
August.

Joe A.

From ac at camoletti.ch  Thu Feb 10 04:57:17 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 12:57:17 +0100
Subject: [Fot] SU smaller floats
Message-ID: <003f01cbc919$aa6b1160$ff413420$@camoletti.ch>

Amici !

Did anyone try the trick of fitting the smaller float in the H6 fuel chamber
(float size 1.5''instead of the regular 1 7/8'' ) taken from the H1 and H2?

This trick increases the quantity of fuel in the chamber.

Let me know your thought or experience, as the case may be!

Thank you !

Cheers!

Alex

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Feb 10 05:25:42 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:25:42 +0100
Subject: [Fot] SU smaller floats
In-Reply-To: <003f01cbc919$aa6b1160$ff413420$@camoletti.ch>
References: <003f01cbc919$aa6b1160$ff413420$@camoletti.ch>
Message-ID: <001b01cbc91d$a36fd180$ea4f7480$@com>

Hi Alex,

wof|r sollte das gut sein?

Gr|_e
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Alexandre Camoletti
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011 12:57
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] SU smaller floats

Amici !

Did anyone try the trick of fitting the smaller float in the H6 fuel chamber
(float size 1.5''instead of the regular 1 7/8'' ) taken from the H1 and H2?

This trick increases the quantity of fuel in the chamber.

Let me know your thought or experience, as the case may be!

Thank you !

Cheers!

Alex
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Feb 10 05:39:29 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:39:29 +0100
Subject: [Fot] SU smaller floats
In-Reply-To: <004501cbc91f$308039b0$9180ad10$@camoletti.ch>
References: <003f01cbc919$aa6b1160$ff413420$@camoletti.ch>
	<001b01cbc91d$a36fd180$ea4f7480$@com>
	<004501cbc91f$308039b0$9180ad10$@camoletti.ch>
Message-ID: <001c01cbc91f$91a3c770$b4eb5650$@com>

A smaller float might not be strong enough to shut the needle valve?

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Alexandre Camoletti [mailto:ac at camoletti.ch]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011 13:37
An: 'MadMarx'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] SU smaller floats

Idea is to get more fuel available to the jet and no shortage of fuel supply
or leaner mixture as level is dropping in the chamber at full gas.
Kas at the time drilled the needle seat to a larger bore.
Now they make large .125'' bores (SU ref VZX1090)

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Alexandre Camoletti [mailto:ac at camoletti.ch]
Envoyi : jeudi 10 fivrier 2011 13:28
@ : 'MadMarx'
Objet : RE: [Fot] SU smaller floats

Dann gibt es mehr Volum fuer Benzin im Kammer.

-----Message d'origine-----
De : MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Envoyi : jeudi 10 fivrier
2011 13:26 @ : 'Alexandre Camoletti'; fot at autox.team.net Objet : AW: [Fot]
SU smaller floats

Hi Alex,

wof|r sollte das gut sein?

Gr|_e
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Alexandre Camoletti
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011 12:57
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] SU smaller floats

Amici !

Did anyone try the trick of fitting the smaller float in the H6 fuel chamber
(float size 1.5''instead of the regular 1 7/8'' ) taken from the H1 and H2?

This trick increases the quantity of fuel in the chamber.

Let me know your thought or experience, as the case may be!

Thank you !

Cheers!

Alex
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From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 10 05:56:45 2011
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 07:56:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TOLY ARUTUNOFF  INJURED
In-Reply-To: <8CD96F58FAD8318-1D80-3DC7@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD96F58FAD8318-1D80-3DC7@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <SNT136-w40B9D5045DC6813BA7AAAFF9EC0@phx.gbl>

>From an email I received. An excerpt from Karen Arutunoff's Facebook page:

Prayers=Miracles, God's way of saying I'm here and I love all my children as
if each was an only child. I have now spoken with the attending physician and
the good news is Toly is stable, talking. His right leg is gone and his left
is shattered. They have not attended to the left leg in light of the trauma of
the accident. They are keeping a close eye on him for any changes in intensive
care as it has only been a matter of hours since the accident and he has
multiple injuries. His blood pressure is good, pulse good, kidneys not good.
Seems he was parked on the side of I40 in Amarillo in the blizzard helping a
man whose car had spun out and was stuck. Another car came along and T-boned
an exposed Toly and drove off. Because of the cold the blood loss was not as
severe as it could have/should have been. The leg was instantly gone. The only
surgery that was performed was to close the wound. Amarillo is closed for
business due to the blizzard but a prayer team from a church in Texas is going
to the trauma center to be with him. Another Amarillo angel is going to Best
Buy and getting a cell phone so I can speak to him. He thinks I am his
girlfriend. Can't remember being married when questioned. I have chosen to be
flattered. This is long road we are on but I will get to Amarillo w Trace as
soon as the weather allows. God has already gotten us this far. I know he will
take us the rest of the way. Bless you all. Your prayers produce miracles.
Please don't stop!

Sam Halkias



> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 23:53:15 -0500
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> Subject: [Fot] TOLY ARUTUNOFF INJURED
>
> Tony Adamowicz reports that Toly was injured helping a stranded motorist in
> a snow storm resulting in the amputation of a leg.
>
> Some of you may have seen Toly at the TOPEKA event as he joined us there
last
> August.
>
> Joe A.
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Feb 10 09:17:50 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:17:50 EST
Subject: [Fot] TOLY ARUTUNOFF  INJURED
Message-ID: <200e1e.33903ccd.3a8569ae@aol.com>

In a message dated 02/09/2011 11:08:34 PM Central Standard Time, 
n197tr4 at cs.com writes:


> Tony Adamowicz reports that Toly  was injured helping a stranded motorist 
> in
> a snow storm resulting in the amputation of a leg.
> 
> Some of you may have seen Toly at the TOPEKA event as he joined us there 
> last
> August.
> 

Amici...

How very, very sad.  Toly was one of the great 'characters' from the Golden 
Age of sports car racing, and among many other things...built and owned 
Hallet.  How sad that now he must deal with these tragic circumstances.  Anyone 
who doesn't know of Toly, but wants to should seek a great 
(autobiographical) book available entitled ONE OFF The Roads, The Races, The Automobiles of 
Toly Arutunoff.  A very FUN read.

Bill Dentinger

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Feb 10 09:40:20 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:40:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TOLY ARUTUNOFF  INJURED
In-Reply-To: <200e1e.33903ccd.3a8569ae@aol.com>
References: <200e1e.33903ccd.3a8569ae@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CD975856F84F94-1C24-4CB@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com>

 Toly's book is on AMAZON at $29.00 including shipping....mine's on the way.

A nice addition to my little library.

btw,  contact Kas for your personalized copy of his new book....this makes
good reading, especially when it is -11 degrees in the unheated garage.
kaskastner.com








-----Original Message-----
From: BillDentin at aol.com
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Feb 10, 2011 10:17 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] TOLY ARUTUNOFF  INJURED


In a message dated 02/09/2011 11:08:34 PM Central Standard Time,
n197tr4 at cs.com writes:



Tony Adamowicz reports that Toly  was injured helping a stranded motorist in
a snow storm resulting in the amputation of a leg.

Some of you may have seen Toly at the TOPEKA event as he joined us there last
August.



Amici...

How very, very sad.  Toly was one of the great 'characters' from the Golden
Age of sports car racing, and among many other things...built and owned
Hallet.  How sad that now he must deal with these tragic circumstances.
Anyone who doesn't know of Toly, but wants to should seek a great
(autobiographical) book available entitled ONE OFF The Roads, The Races, The
Automobiles of Toly Arutunoff.  A very FUN read.

Bill Dentinger

From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Thu Feb 10 14:34:26 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:34:26 +1000
Subject: [Fot] contact for Gareth Thomas
Message-ID: <AANLkTikr6SviJtKMPsES=b8UxDEYVRFVSLaZ-xkoHunR@mail.gmail.com>

does anyone have a email contact for gareth thomas. he wrote a book years
ago about triumph tuning. last heard of in russia. apparently still
"lurking" around triumphs via  few forums
thanks, Terry

From jsclark at live.ca  Thu Feb 10 15:00:45 2011
From: jsclark at live.ca (Jeff Clark)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:00:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rimmer Bros.
Message-ID: <BLU158-w56594ABCD9DE88679A105AEEC0@phx.gbl>

Has anyone had any experience - good or bad- in ordering parts from Rimmer
Bros. in the U.K. I am shipping to Canada.
Jeff Clark

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Feb 10 15:26:32 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:26:32 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Rimmer Bros.
In-Reply-To: <BLU158-w56594ABCD9DE88679A105AEEC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU158-w56594ABCD9DE88679A105AEEC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001601cbc971$92df5b70$b89e1250$@com>

I heard nothing bad from them.
Lots of Germans order by Rimmer.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von Jeff Clark
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011 23:01
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Rimmer Bros.

Has anyone had any experience - good or bad- in ordering parts from Rimmer
Bros. in the U.K. I am shipping to Canada.
Jeff Clark
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From RustyTR4 at aol.com  Thu Feb 10 15:29:07 2011
From: RustyTR4 at aol.com (RustyTR4 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:29:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Rimmer Bros.
Message-ID: <69f69.56784c90.3a85c0b3@aol.com>

Jeff, We have ordered a lot from Rimmer over the years and it has always  
worked out well.
 
Matt..
 
Triumph  Rescue
617 Walnut St.
Bally, Pa. 19503
610-845-8217
_www.triumphrescue.com_ (http://www.triumphrescue.com/) 

British  Wiring
617 Walnut St.
P.O. Box 185
Bally, Pa. 19503
_www.BritishWiring.com_ (http://www.britishwiring.com/)  

From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 10 15:32:12 2011
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 22:32:12 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Rimmer Bros.
In-Reply-To: <BLU158-w56594ABCD9DE88679A105AEEC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU158-w56594ABCD9DE88679A105AEEC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <mailman.47.1297377134.23293.fot@autox.team.net>

I have been waiting for a Herald catalog for over a month. They say it lists more parts than the online catalog. 

I emailed after a few weeks had gone by and they said they would put another one in the post right away. Then I got a letter asking if I enjoyed the new catalog. Still no catalog. Can't comment on parts I haven't been able to buy, but not impressed so far. 

Ty 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Clark <jsclark at live.ca>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:00:45 
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Rimmer Bros.

Has anyone had any experience - good or bad- in ordering parts from Rimmer
Bros. in the U.K. I am shipping to Canada.
Jeff Clark
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From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Thu Feb 10 15:49:08 2011
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (markconsultation at twcny.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 22:49:08 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Rescue to the Rescue
Message-ID: <20110210224908.7CJKB.100949.root@hrndva-web20-z01>

Occasionally but not so frequently these daze, a vendor really goes out of his way to help a customer. Yesterday I was a participant in just such an event. Last winter I rebuilt the motor for my dads old vintage racer from a block I purchased from Matt at Tr Rescue. It did have a head-bolt repair but it looked good to Matt, my machinist and myself so it ended up in my TR3...

Well, this summer I got oil in the water and long story mercifully short, the repair pulled and cracked the block. I called Matt hoping to get a comp on another block and perhaps some help on parts. At best I hoped for a grease ball with a block of unknown condition somewhere in the center and maybe a little shaved off on parts. What I picked up yesterday was an inspected block just returned from the machine shop with new cam bearings and a Payne headgasket. Total Charge: Nada, nothing, $0, complementary, special deal just for you today...

I was blown away - this was not his fault, I just hoped for some help that wouldn't cost him personally. 

Triumph Rescue
617 Walnut St.
P.O Box 185
Bally PA 19503
United States of America

610 845 8217

Tell Matt Mark from Ithaca sent you...

Really, vendors like this need our support...

Best,

Mark

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Feb 10 16:16:42 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:16:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Rescue to the Rescue
In-Reply-To: <20110210224908.7CJKB.100949.root@hrndva-web20-z01>
References: <20110210224908.7CJKB.100949.root@hrndva-web20-z01>
Message-ID: <8CD978FB661DC52-DB4-13F4@webmail-d057.sysops.aol.com>

 YES!   It is the TRIUMPH RESCUE organization that made it possible for A.R.E.
to have a chance to build an AMBRO.

Forever in their debt........Joe A




 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Rescue to the Rescue


Occasionally but not so frequently these daze, a vendor really goes out of his

way to help a customer. Yesterday I was a participant in just such an event.

Last winter I rebuilt the motor for my dads old vintage racer from a block I

purchased from Matt at Tr Rescue. It did have a head-bolt repair but it looked

good to Matt, my machinist and myself so it ended up in my TR3...



Well, this summer I got oil in the water and long story mercifully short, the

repair pulled and cracked the block. I called Matt hoping to get a comp on

another block and perhaps some help on parts. At best I hoped for a grease
ball

with a block of unknown condition somewhere in the center and maybe a little

shaved off on parts. What I picked up yesterday was an inspected block just

returned from the machine shop with new cam bearings and a Payne headgasket.

Total Charge: Nada, nothing, $0, complementary, special deal just for you

today...



I was blown away - this was not his fault, I just hoped for some help that

wouldn't cost him personally.



Triumph Rescue

617 Walnut St.

P.O Box 185

Bally PA 19503

United States of America



610 845 8217



Tell Matt Mark from Ithaca sent you...



Really, vendors like this need our support...



Best,



Mark

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From gaf3 at charter.net  Thu Feb 10 17:08:48 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 19:08:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rimmer Bros.
In-Reply-To: <BLU158-w56594ABCD9DE88679A105AEEC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU158-w56594ABCD9DE88679A105AEEC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4D547E10.7030106@charter.net>

No problem, Very Helpful, especially with hard to find parts.
Good communication through email.
Shipping hurts a little.
Glenn Franco
On 2/10/2011 5:00 PM, Jeff Clark wrote:
> Has anyone had any experience - good or bad- in ordering parts from Rimmer
> Bros. in the U.K. I am shipping to Canada.
> Jeff Clark

From sgroh1 at comcast.net  Thu Feb 10 21:30:24 2011
From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:30:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Rescue to the Rescue
References: <20110210224908.7CJKB.100949.root@hrndva-web20-z01>
	<8CD978FB661DC52-DB4-13F4@webmail-d057.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <75A597CD64DF4110A8C51DD8ACF5BC25@steven2sbouwlk>

They've done me right, too!  Great folks, excellent work!
Steve Groh

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <markconsultation at twcny.rr.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Rescue to the Rescue


> YES!   It is the TRIUMPH RESCUE organization that made it possible for 
> A.R.E.
> to have a chance to build an AMBRO.
>
> Forever in their debt........Joe A
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------
> Subject: [Fot] Triumph Rescue to the Rescue
>
>
> Occasionally but not so frequently these daze, a vendor really goes out of 
> his
>
> way to help a customer. Yesterday I was a participant in just such an 
> event.
>
> Last winter I rebuilt the motor for my dads old vintage racer from a block 
> I
>
> purchased from Matt at Tr Rescue. It did have a head-bolt repair but it 
> looked
>
> good to Matt, my machinist and myself so it ended up in my TR3...
>
>
>
> Well, this summer I got oil in the water and long story mercifully short, 
> the
>
> repair pulled and cracked the block. I called Matt hoping to get a comp on
>
> another block and perhaps some help on parts. At best I hoped for a grease
> ball
>
> with a block of unknown condition somewhere in the center and maybe a 
> little
>
> shaved off on parts. What I picked up yesterday was an inspected block 
> just
>
> returned from the machine shop with new cam bearings and a Payne 
> headgasket.
>
> Total Charge: Nada, nothing, $0, complementary, special deal just for you
>
> today...
>
>
>
> I was blown away - this was not his fault, I just hoped for some help that
>
> wouldn't cost him personally.
>
>
>
> Triumph Rescue
>
> 617 Walnut St.
>
> P.O Box 185
>
> Bally PA 19503
>
> United States of America
>
>
>
> 610 845 8217
>
>
>
> Tell Matt Mark from Ithaca sent you...
>
>
>
> Really, vendors like this need our support...
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Feb 11 07:50:38 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:50:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FATHER/SON   HUSBAND/WIFE     ETC.  COMBINATIONS AT LAGUNA
Message-ID: <8CD98122E69C94F-11CC-10BF8@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com>

 Laguna has the potential for two run groups for us.

FOT Group     HMSA Group

I'd like to pursue the option:

Second Driver/Same Car

Before I do this, it would be useful to know how many entrants might be
affected by this option.

We have a number of father/son combinations and at least one husband/wife.

(VARAC is one club that makes this option available at a nominal cost for
family and crew members.)

 This would make the long tows an easier justification for some of us,
especially at the initial entry cost. Perhaps it may even make the difference
in entering at all.

Speak up before I pursue this option.

Thanks,

Joe

From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri Feb 11 11:16:10 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:16:10 EST
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <b584b.2fc7ef0b.3a86d6ea@aol.com>

Amici...

I wish to nominate Mike Ryan for membership on the FOT list.  Mike is a 
long time racer with a ton of Midwestern seat time mostly in a Porsche 911.  He 
has recently acquired a Doretti, and is in the process of restoring the 
car.  He wants to maintain the original exterior, but upgrade the TR2 
drivetrain (cam, head, carbs, etc.).  He is interested in getting advise, counsel, 
and direction from the FOT.

Name:       Mike Ryan
Location:  Chicago area
email:       penraine at sbcglobal.net

The DORETTI is a very special sports car with ties to TRIUMPH.  May I 
please get a SECOND?

Bill Dentinger 

From tr6nut at verizon.net  Fri Feb 11 11:45:56 2011
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:45:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <b584b.2fc7ef0b.3a86d6ea@aol.com>
References: <b584b.2fc7ef0b.3a86d6ea@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D5583E4.3050007@verizon.net>

Despite the Porsche, I'll gladly second.

Hugh Barber
'73 TR6
Stafford, VA

On 2/11/2011 01:16, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
> Amici...
>
> I wish to nominate Mike Ryan for membership on the FOT list.  Mike is a
> long time racer with a ton of Midwestern seat time mostly in a Porsche 911.  He
> has recently acquired a Doretti, and is in the process of restoring the
> car.  He wants to maintain the original exterior, but upgrade the TR2
> drivetrain (cam, head, carbs, etc.).  He is interested in getting advise, counsel,
> and direction from the FOT.
>
> Name:       Mike Ryan
> Location:  Chicago area
> email:       penraine at sbcglobal.net
>
> The DORETTI is a very special sports car with ties to TRIUMPH.  May I
> please get a SECOND?
>
> Bill Dentinger

From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Feb 11 11:51:17 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 10:51:17 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  (no subject)
Message-ID: <FFFF495A979445B4930242E8337AF5A1@Bud>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: <BillDentin at aol.com>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)


>I second the nomination....there's terrific history behind the Dorretti 
>Swallow....I believe the car was designed in honor of his daughter, 
>Dorothy....A friend had one with a Buick Nailhead...sold it to a friend of 
>his in San Luis Obispo area a couple of years ago.
> Racer Bud
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Cc: <penraine at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:16 AM
> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
>
>
>> Amici...
>>
>> I wish to nominate Mike Ryan for membership on the FOT list.  Mike is a
>> long time racer with a ton of Midwestern seat time mostly in a Porsche 
>> 911.  He
>> has recently acquired a Doretti, and is in the process of restoring the
>> car.  He wants to maintain the original exterior, but upgrade the TR2
>> drivetrain (cam, head, carbs, etc.).  He is interested in getting advise, 
>> counsel,
>> and direction from the FOT.
>>
>> Name:       Mike Ryan
>> Location:  Chicago area
>> email:       penraine at sbcglobal.net
>>
>> The DORETTI is a very special sports car with ties to TRIUMPH.  May I
>> please get a SECOND?
>>
>> Bill Dentinger
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri Feb 11 12:11:20 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:11:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <FFFF495A979445B4930242E8337AF5A1@Bud>
Message-ID: <317610176.295766.1297451480199.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Speaking of seconds, whatever happened to our land speed record TR-7 guy.

I'd like to hear more about that project.



jim g




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From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:51:17 AM
Subject: [Fot] Fw: B (no subject)

----- Original Message -----
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: <BillDentin at aol.com>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)


>I second the nomination....there's terrific history behind the Dorretti
>Swallow....I believe the car was designed in honor of his daughter,
>Dorothy....A friend had one with a Buick Nailhead...sold it to a friend of
>his in San Luis Obispo area a couple of years ago.
> Racer Bud
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Cc: <penraine at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:16 AM
> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
>
>
>> Amici...
>>
>> I wish to nominate Mike Ryan for membership on the FOT list. B Mike is a
>> long time racer with a ton of Midwestern seat time mostly in a Porsche
>> 911. B He
>> has recently acquired a Doretti, and is in the process of restoring the
>> car. B He wants to maintain the original exterior, but upgrade the TR2
>> drivetrain (cam, head, carbs, etc.). B He is interested in getting advise,
>> counsel,
>> and direction from the FOT.
>>
>> Name: B  B  B  Mike Ryan
>> Location: B Chicago area
>> email: B  B  B  penraine at sbcglobal.net
>>
>> The DORETTI is a very special sports car with ties to TRIUMPH. B May I
>> please get a SECOND?
>>
>> Bill Dentinger
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From koblinger at verizon.net  Fri Feb 11 12:32:28 2011
From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:32:28 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  (no subject)
Message-ID: <1450440667.1597257.1297452748962.JavaMail.root@vznit170080>

/IszMmr: Permission denied

From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Feb 11 12:45:42 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:45:42 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR7  LAND SPEED RECORD
Message-ID: <DE3D096BEDBA43809F5D4D6C91E09036@Bud>

Here's the link to Flashback Racing and the TR-7
Racer Bud


http://flashbackracing.com/2010/12/flashback-racing%E2%80%99s-september-assau
lt-on-maxton-yields-one-land-speed-record-3/

From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Feb 11 14:02:47 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:02:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7  LAND SPEED RECORD
In-Reply-To: <DE3D096BEDBA43809F5D4D6C91E09036@Bud>
Message-ID: <60899.71265.qm@smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I have emailed Craig and he is getting the posts, perhaps he will add a bit
to the excellent write up on the website.

Paul



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of RACER BUD
Sent: February 11, 2011 2:46 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] TR7 LAND SPEED RECORD

Here's the link to Flashback Racing and the TR-7 Racer Bud


http://flashbackracing.com/2010/12/flashback-racing%E2%80%99s-september-assa
u
lt-on-maxton-yields-one-land-speed-record-3/
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Fri Feb 11 14:14:25 2011
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:14:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7  LAND SPEED RECORD
In-Reply-To: <DE3D096BEDBA43809F5D4D6C91E09036@Bud>
References: <DE3D096BEDBA43809F5D4D6C91E09036@Bud>
Message-ID: <5a4d35169b859e17aaa2bfc22193aafe.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

Wow, that guy's place is less than a mile from
where I used to live.  Small world...

John

On Fri, February 11, 2011 2:45 pm, RACER BUD wrote:
> Here's the link to Flashback Racing and the TR-7
> Racer Bud
>
>
> http://flashbackracing.com/2010/12/flashback-racing%E2%80%99s-september-assau
> lt-on-maxton-yields-one-land-speed-record-3/
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From jason at multivintage.com  Fri Feb 11 15:02:17 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:02:17 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
Message-ID: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com>

Friends,
Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA-1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing

From koblinger at verizon.net  Fri Feb 11 16:18:34 2011
From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:18:34 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
Message-ID: <705157485.1611955.1297466314925.JavaMail.root@vznit170080>


From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Feb 11 17:08:39 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:08:39 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CE4737F03EAA4C279A3FC58CCDEDA850@Bud>

I have 2 of the same 1967 mirrors...mint in the box but in black that I 
picked up at a yard sale a couple of years ago...I didn't know they were 
valuable..
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Ostrowski" <jason at multivintage.com>
To: "triumph friends" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 2:02 PM
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay


> Friends,
> Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
> Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA-1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Fri Feb 11 19:52:02 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:52:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <b584b.2fc7ef0b.3a86d6ea@aol.com>
Message-ID: <676666.48505.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Bill & Mike: If you haven't already, you need to get a hold of Tom Householder
(T.R. Householder) Tom was one of the founders of TRA and is currently taken
on the task of finding and keeping track of all the Doretti's. I am copying
him on this email but I'm not sure if this is a current email address. I
believe he may also be lurking on the list. It has been a year or two since
we've corresponded.
You are correct in stating that it is a important car, becuse of it's
pedigere, how it came about, and it's low production numbers.
Please keep us informed on it's progress
Thanks - Ed  

--- On Fri, 2/11/11, BillDentin at aol.com <BillDentin at aol.com> wrote:


From: BillDentin at aol.com <BillDentin at aol.com>
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: penraine at sbcglobal.net
Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 12:16 PM


Amici...

I wish to nominate Mike Ryan for membership on the FOT list.  Mike is a
long time racer with a ton of Midwestern seat time mostly in a Porsche 911. 
He
has recently acquired a Doretti, and is in the process of restoring the
car.  He wants to maintain the original exterior, but upgrade the TR2
drivetrain (cam, head, carbs, etc.).  He is interested in getting advise,
counsel,
and direction from the FOT.

Name:       Mike Ryan
Location:  Chicago area
email:       penraine at sbcglobal.net

The DORETTI is a very special sports car with ties to TRIUMPH.  May I
please get a SECOND?

Bill Dentinger
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Feb 11 21:11:19 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:11:19 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.c om>
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110212041127.ADA28187670@autox.team.net>

Red would be cool in the Red Rocket, but I'm not sure I want to go 
$150 for that...  Great find!

- Tony

At 04:02 PM 2/11/2011, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
>Friends,
>Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
>Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA-1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
>Jason Ostrowski
>Friendly Ghost Racing

From jason at multivintage.com  Fri Feb 11 21:43:59 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:43:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
In-Reply-To: <4d56086d.086d2a0a.5577.2d35SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com>
	<4d56086d.086d2a0a.5577.2d35SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=+i1MsuT776M8JYRp60ibuekGZLnXVYv-+n8NM@mail.gmail.com>

I maybe would have bought it already myself if it wasn't 1/6 the entry fee
for the cup... saving every penny to race a Triumph at Laguna Seca. and
towing all the stuff it takes keep my Gt6 running.... 2300 miles in hot June
over big mountains. I like the mirror too but I might need the money for
other things.
ALSO. AS THE ITALIAN GUY SAYS  in, my favorite movie of all time "The
Gumball Rally", (as he yanks the rear view mirror from the windshield and
tosses it),  "WHAT'S BEHIND ME IS NOT IMPORTANT!"
Jason, FGR.
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> Red would be cool in the Red Rocket, but I'm not sure I want to go $150 for
> that...  Great find!
>
> - Tony

From malaboge at aol.com  Fri Feb 11 23:55:15 2011
From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 01:55:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CD9898EFF02632-1908-4A26@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>

HOW MUCH????
twenty two seconds with google took me
here...http://www.buycheapr.com/us/result.jsp?ga=us12&q=wink+mirror

for $199 you can buy a dozen of em...or $18.95 each!  and I think I prolly
have a spray can-o-red here in the shop as well.


A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse...

Nick in NorCal



-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
To: triumph friends <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:02 pm
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay


Friends,
Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA-
1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5f
CarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
_______________________________________________

From oldspeed72 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 12 13:24:15 2011
From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com (Mark Vanlake)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 12:24:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 for Sale
Message-ID: <510679.97183.qm@web111009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Just posted my recently completed Vintage Racer (TR6) notice the FOT stickers on 
car. Contact me if anyone is interested. 


Mark

http://www.racingjunk.com/category/85/Other/post/2127830/Vintage-Racer-TR6.html

From horizonracing at msn.com  Sun Feb 13 15:28:29 2011
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:28:29 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Caliper mounts-Alloy
Message-ID: <SNT141-w54B2A0014B2C3D68A0AA89B2D10@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

I have a couple  sets of Alloy Brake caliper mounts for TR3/4 for sale.
$140.00 includes postage (usa). These are new.
These same parts have been on the Famous "peyote" for the past year. Race
Proven !!

Pls contact of list if interested

Thx
Tony Garmey

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Feb 13 15:39:35 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:39:35 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
In-Reply-To: <8CD9898EFF02632-1908-4A26@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CD9898EFF02632-1908-4A26@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001cbcbce$e6f4b750$b4de25f0$@com>

This is price is quite reasonable.
But for my opinion these type mirrors look not very nice to me.
I have a small panorama mirror for $3, simple mounted to my little wind
shield.

Too much information about the rear might get me nervous. :-)

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von malaboge at aol.com
Gesendet: Samstag, 12. Februar 2011 07:55
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay

HOW MUCH????
twenty two seconds with google took me
here...http://www.buycheapr.com/us/result.jsp?ga=us12&q=wink+mirror

for $199 you can buy a dozen of em...or $18.95 each!  and I think I prolly
have a spray can-o-red here in the shop as well.


A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse...

Nick in NorCal



-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
To: triumph friends <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:02 pm
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay


Friends,
Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA
-
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Sun Feb 13 19:51:03 2011
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:51:03 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com><8CD9898EFF02632-1908-4A26@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
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Message-ID: <4D6177671252444E80BF8CFCDEC220AC@Pendys>

Hey chris, fold the mirrors in and crank-up the radio and you won't care who 
is back there, .........mark p
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay


> This is price is quite reasonable.
> But for my opinion these type mirrors look not very nice to me.
> I have a small panorama mirror for $3, simple mounted to my little wind
> shield.
>
> Too much information about the rear might get me nervous. :-)
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von malaboge at aol.com
> Gesendet: Samstag, 12. Februar 2011 07:55
> An: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>
> HOW MUCH????
> twenty two seconds with google took me
> here...http://www.buycheapr.com/us/result.jsp?ga=us12&q=wink+mirror
>
> for $199 you can buy a dozen of em...or $18.95 each!  and I think I prolly
> have a spray can-o-red here in the shop as well.
>
>
> A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse...
>
> Nick in NorCal
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
> To: triumph friends <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:02 pm
> Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>
>
> Friends,
> Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
> Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Feb 13 19:59:06 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:59:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com><8CD9898EFF02632-1908-4A26@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com><000001cbcbce$e6f4b750$b4de25f0$@com>
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Message-ID: <C7A654E3EA69444CA61EE7091292265F@Bud>

I love it.!..or...Do an AUGIE PABST ROUTINE....Catch the eye of the guy 
behind you on the grid....RIP YOUR MIRROR OFF  THE DASH ...and..THROW IT ON 
THE PASSENGER SIDE FLOOR!!...RB....
P.S.....We need to get standing starts in vintage racing!...RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>
To: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay


> Hey chris, fold the mirrors in and crank-up the radio and you won't care 
> who is back there, .........mark p
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>
>
>> This is price is quite reasonable.
>> But for my opinion these type mirrors look not very nice to me.
>> I have a small panorama mirror for $3, simple mounted to my little wind
>> shield.
>>
>> Too much information about the rear might get me nervous. :-)
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>> Auftrag von malaboge at aol.com
>> Gesendet: Samstag, 12. Februar 2011 07:55
>> An: fot at autox.team.net
>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>
>> HOW MUCH????
>> twenty two seconds with google took me
>> here...http://www.buycheapr.com/us/result.jsp?ga=us12&q=wink+mirror
>>
>> for $199 you can buy a dozen of em...or $18.95 each!  and I think I 
>> prolly
>> have a spray can-o-red here in the shop as well.
>>
>>
>> A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse...
>>
>> Nick in NorCal
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
>> To: triumph friends <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:02 pm
>> Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>
>>
>> Friends,
>> Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
>> Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA
>> -
>> 1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5
>> f
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Feb 13 20:15:52 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:15:52 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com><8CD9898EFF02632-1908-4A26@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com><000001cbcbce$e6f4b750$b4de25f0$@com><4D6177671252444E80BF8CFCDEC220AC@Pendys>
	<C7A654E3EA69444CA61EE7091292265F@Bud>
Message-ID: <79AAF380CF4B420790BF73A39FD58CEB@Bud>

Come to think of it...You guys in Europe have some standing 
starts?..Correct?...RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay


>I love it.!..or...Do an AUGIE PABST ROUTINE....Catch the eye of the guy 
>behind you on the grid....RIP YOUR MIRROR OFF  THE DASH ...and..THROW IT ON 
>THE PASSENGER SIDE FLOOR!!...RB....
> P.S.....We need to get standing starts in vintage racing!...RB
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>
> To: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>
>
>> Hey chris, fold the mirrors in and crank-up the radio and you won't care 
>> who is back there, .........mark p
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
>> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>
>>
>>> This is price is quite reasonable.
>>> But for my opinion these type mirrors look not very nice to me.
>>> I have a small panorama mirror for $3, simple mounted to my little wind
>>> shield.
>>>
>>> Too much information about the rear might get me nervous. :-)
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>>> Auftrag von malaboge at aol.com
>>> Gesendet: Samstag, 12. Februar 2011 07:55
>>> An: fot at autox.team.net
>>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>>
>>> HOW MUCH????
>>> twenty two seconds with google took me
>>> here...http://www.buycheapr.com/us/result.jsp?ga=us12&q=wink+mirror
>>>
>>> for $199 you can buy a dozen of em...or $18.95 each!  and I think I 
>>> prolly
>>> have a spray can-o-red here in the shop as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse...
>>>
>>> Nick in NorCal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
>>> To: triumph friends <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:02 pm
>>> Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>>
>>>
>>> Friends,
>>> Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
>>> Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA
>>> -
>>> 1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5
>>> f
>>> CarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
>>> Jason Ostrowski
>>> Friendly Ghost Racing
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Feb 13 20:44:32 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:44:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Sam Clark
Message-ID: <4D58A520.4080801@pobox.com>

I would like to nominate Sam Clark to the FoT list.  I'm sure many of 
you know Sam.  He and his wife, Carol, were the instigators for the 
formation of our local Green Country Triumphs many years ago.  He has 
always been interested in racing and the performance side of Triumphs. 
He was a greater supporter of my racing effort. I'll let Sam fill you in 
with more details.  I think he would be a good addition to our group. 
Do I have a second?
Larry

From herald948 at aol.com  Sun Feb 13 21:13:45 2011
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:13:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Sam Clark
In-Reply-To: <4D58A520.4080801@pobox.com>
References: <4D58A520.4080801@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <8CD9A14B4E0BE5E-1F30-784B@webmail-m092.sysops.aol.com>

 A hearty second! Welcome to FoT, Sam!



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-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>


I would like to nominate Sam Clark to the FoT list.

From susank at 141.com  Mon Feb 14 03:52:01 2011
From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 05:52:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Sam Clark
In-Reply-To: <4D58A520.4080801@pobox.com>
References: <4D58A520.4080801@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <4D590951.3070207@141.com>

Oh, absolutely! I didn't realize he wasn't on here. Welcome Sam!     :D

Keep Triumphing,
Susan    :)


On 2/13/2011 10:44 PM, Larry Young wrote:
> I would like to nominate Sam Clark to the FoT list.  I'm sure many of 
> you know Sam.  He and his wife, Carol, were the instigators for the 
> formation of our local Green Country Triumphs many years ago.  He has 
> always been interested in racing and the performance side of Triumphs. 
> He was a greater supporter of my racing effort. I'll let Sam fill you 
> in with more details.  I think he would be a good addition to our 
> group. Do I have a second?
> Larry
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Feb 14 00:16:19 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 08:16:19 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
In-Reply-To: <79AAF380CF4B420790BF73A39FD58CEB@Bud>
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com><8CD9898EFF02632-1908-4A26@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com><000001cbcbce$e6f4b750$b4de25f0$@com><4D6177671252444E80BF8CFCDEC220AC@Pendys>
	<C7A654E3EA69444CA61EE7091292265F@Bud>
	<79AAF380CF4B420790BF73A39FD58CEB@Bud>
Message-ID: <000601cbcc17$16218240$426486c0$@com>

Yes, on most tracks we have standing starts, and they have a lot more
suspense than the Indy version.
Nothing is more exciting than feeling the noise and power of the whole grid
when the 5 second marker is shown up. And then all drivers have clutch
engagement at the same time moving some tons of steel forward.
Great feeling. Difficult for inexperienced drivers.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net]
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Februar 2011 04:16
An: RACER BUD; Mark Pendergrass
Cc: fot at autox.team.net; MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay

Come to think of it...You guys in Europe have some standing
starts?..Correct?...RB
----- Original Message -----
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay


>I love it.!..or...Do an AUGIE PABST ROUTINE....Catch the eye of the guy
>behind you on the grid....RIP YOUR MIRROR OFF  THE DASH ...and..THROW IT ON

>THE PASSENGER SIDE FLOOR!!...RB....
> P.S.....We need to get standing starts in vintage racing!...RB
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>
> To: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>
>
>> Hey chris, fold the mirrors in and crank-up the radio and you won't care
>> who is back there, .........mark p
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
>> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>
>>
>>> This is price is quite reasonable.
>>> But for my opinion these type mirrors look not very nice to me.
>>> I have a small panorama mirror for $3, simple mounted to my little wind
>>> shield.
>>>
>>> Too much information about the rear might get me nervous. :-)
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>>> Auftrag von malaboge at aol.com
>>> Gesendet: Samstag, 12. Februar 2011 07:55
>>> An: fot at autox.team.net
>>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>>
>>> HOW MUCH????
>>> twenty two seconds with google took me
>>> here...http://www.buycheapr.com/us/result.jsp?ga=us12&q=wink+mirror
>>>
>>> for $199 you can buy a dozen of em...or $18.95 each!  and I think I
>>> prolly
>>> have a spray can-o-red here in the shop as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse...
>>>
>>> Nick in NorCal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
>>> To: triumph friends <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:02 pm
>>> Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>>
>>>
>>> Friends,
>>> Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
>>> Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
>>>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA
>>> -
>>>
1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5
>>> f
>>> CarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
>>> Jason Ostrowski
>>> Friendly Ghost Racing
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Feb 14 21:49:37 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:49:37 -0800
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
Message-ID: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>

When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing starts...It was
Wonderful!..
Racer Bud

From andre at gt6.ca  Tue Feb 15 04:34:14 2011
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 06:34:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
References: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim-5U1zuq-MKQuiTgjH-ahFBT5uAznL7LPL8YUK@mail.gmail.com>

Why not take it a step further.

Lemans starts.

Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)

I'd be game for that kind of fun.

A.

On 14 February 2011 23:49, RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
> When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing starts...It was
> Wonderful!..
> Racer Bud
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Feb 15 06:19:21 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:19:21 +0100
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim-5U1zuq-MKQuiTgjH-ahFBT5uAznL7LPL8YUK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
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Ha ha! That would be funny to watch.
Like lots of girls knitting a scarf, the racers would sit in their cars and
getting the harnesses, arm restraints, and gears on before any engine will
shout up.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Februar 2011 12:34
An: RACER BUD
Cc: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] standing starts

Why not take it a step further.

Lemans starts.

Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)

I'd be game for that kind of fun.

A.

On 14 February 2011 23:49, RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
> When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing starts...It was
> Wonderful!..
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Feb 15 07:56:35 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:56:35 EST
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
Message-ID: <7a60.15726d31.3a8bee23@aol.com>

In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time, 
andre at gt6.ca writes:


> Why not take it a step further.
> 
> Lemans starts.
> 
> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
> 

The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were 
exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.  

Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse power 
and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with LeMan 
or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.  
Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer term 
'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.

Bill Dentinger    

From billb at bnj.com  Tue Feb 15 08:17:20 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 05:17:20 -1000
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <7a60.15726d31.3a8bee23@aol.com>
References: <7a60.15726d31.3a8bee23@aol.com>
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SOVREN does them for certain special events, like enduros or "Lollipop" or
other handicap races. For the Le Mans start the driver is already in the car,
belted in and set to go, while a pit crew member does the running. Kind of
fun, but just a sideshow.

On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:56 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time,
> andre at gt6.ca writes:
>
>
>> Why not take it a step further.
>>
>> Lemans starts.
>>
>> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
>>
>
> The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were
> exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.
>
> Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse power
> and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with LeMan
> or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.
> Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer term
> 'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Tue Feb 15 08:54:50 2011
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:54:50 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
References: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
Message-ID: <e677fbefbfa1.4d5aa1ca@optonline.net>

Every year I do a 2 hour Enduro at Pocono with EMRA.  This is really a crowd pleaser because we do a modified LeMans start.   Drivers sit in the cars with the engines running.  The cars are backed with the right rear corner of the car to the Pocono front straight wall.  A Team member, at the drop of a flag, runs across pit lane and smacks the rear of the car.  At that time, tires start squealing, engines are racing and its organized chaos!  High powered Corvettes and Camaros dodging the Alfas, Triumphs and Mazdas. Its great!  I look forward to it every year.
 
My two cents
 
Todd Redmond


----- Original Message -----
From: RACER BUD 
Date: Monday, February 14, 2011 11:50 pm
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
To: MadMarx , fot at autox.team.net

> When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing 
> starts...It was
> Wonderful!..
> Racer Bud
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Tue Feb 15 09:01:23 2011
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:01:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <7a60.15726d31.3a8bee23@aol.com>
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While THIS style of start may be interesting to some spectators it lends
itself to unsafe if not dangerous driving conditions due to the hurried
manner in which safety equipment is put on. Back in the day if I recall
correctly, attire was a polo helmet, a tee shirt and maybe a lap belt if the
driver took the time to connect it. Leap forward to today and even at the
amateur hobby level (yes, that's most of us folks!)we have 5 point
harnesses, HANS devices, gloves, etc. not to mention the starting procedures
many follow. The thought of scampering across the track and diving into it
would scare hell out of me! I know I'm getting old, and I want to get a lot
older before a dirt nap. 
I think Bill is spot on. There is great wisdom in his words.

Russ Moore
Spitfire #49

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:57 AM
To: andre at gt6.ca; budscars at comcast.net
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts

In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time, 
andre at gt6.ca writes:


> Why not take it a step further.
> 
> Lemans starts.
> 
> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
> 

The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were 
exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.  

Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse power 
and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with LeMan 
or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.  
Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer term

'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.

Bill Dentinger    
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From adcronin at mi.rr.com  Tue Feb 15 09:13:21 2011
From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:13:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Temperature Ranges of Permatex RTV
Message-ID: <1EFB87DF-F8FB-492E-87BB-B672A7F6AA6C@mi.rr.com>

Guys and Gals

Recently came across this listing of temperature ranges for the various
"Colors" of Permatex RTV and thought I would pass it along FWIW.
	Red-----65-650 F
	Blue----65-500 F
	Black---75-625 F
	Copper-20-650 F
	Clear---80-500 F

Form-a-Gasket
	#1---65-400 F
	#2---65-400 F

From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Feb 15 09:18:00 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 8:18:00 -0800
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <88DC4D77-D6CD-4218-8D04-0144EB854272@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <20110215111800.QEPK9.1259597.imail@fed1rmwml45>

In 1953 in a race at Aspen Colorado we had a Le Mans start.  One guy in a hurry broke the key off in the dashboard  starting or trying to start his car, another jumped in over the door, through his seat belt and took him a  couple laps to get undone. Another fellow jumped over the door and took the gear change lever up his pants leg, had to get out and start all over again.  I heard all these stories after the event. Fun for me but a horror some . 




--- Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote: 
SOVREN does them for certain special events, like enduros or "Lollipop" or
other handicap races. For the Le Mans start the driver is already in the car,
belted in and set to go, while a pit crew member does the running. Kind of
fun, but just a sideshow.

On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:56 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time,
> andre at gt6.ca writes:
>
>
>> Why not take it a step further.
>>
>> Lemans starts.
>>
>> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
>>
>
> The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were
> exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.
>
> Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse power
> and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with LeMan
> or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.
> Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer term
> 'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Feb 15 09:18:30 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:18:30 -0800
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
References: <7a60.15726d31.3a8bee23@aol.com>
	<004901cbcd29$9857b870$c9072950$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <5EA6FE4570854A6CB45B8D7042F60D15@Charly>

I remember reading about a race driver at LeMans buckling his belts while 
going down the straight away and holding the steering wheel with his knee. 
I don't remember the driver but I believe the car was a GT40
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spitfire Racing" <Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com>
To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <andre at gt6.ca>; <budscars at comcast.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts


> While THIS style of start may be interesting to some spectators it lends
> itself to unsafe if not dangerous driving conditions due to the hurried
> manner in which safety equipment is put on. Back in the day if I recall
> correctly, attire was a polo helmet, a tee shirt and maybe a lap belt if 
> the
> driver took the time to connect it. Leap forward to today and even at the
> amateur hobby level (yes, that's most of us folks!)we have 5 point
> harnesses, HANS devices, gloves, etc. not to mention the starting 
> procedures
> many follow. The thought of scampering across the track and diving into it
> would scare hell out of me! I know I'm getting old, and I want to get a 
> lot
> older before a dirt nap.
> I think Bill is spot on. There is great wisdom in his words.
>
> Russ Moore
> Spitfire #49
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:57 AM
> To: andre at gt6.ca; budscars at comcast.net
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts
>
> In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time,
> andre at gt6.ca writes:
>
>
>> Why not take it a step further.
>>
>> Lemans starts.
>>
>> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
>>
>
> The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were
> exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.
>
> Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse 
> power
> and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with 
> LeMan
> or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.
> Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer 
> term
>
> 'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Feb 15 09:27:55 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:27:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <5EA6FE4570854A6CB45B8D7042F60D15@Charly>
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I've seen Dan Gurney report that in an interview.

rml

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On Tue, 15 Feb 2011, Charly Mitchel wrote:

> I remember reading about a race driver at LeMans buckling his belts while 
> going down the straight away and holding the steering wheel with his knee. I 
> don't remember the driver but I believe the car was a GT40
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spitfire Racing" 
> <Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com>
> To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <andre at gt6.ca>; <budscars at comcast.net>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts
>
>
>> While THIS style of start may be interesting to some spectators it lends
>> itself to unsafe if not dangerous driving conditions due to the hurried
>> manner in which safety equipment is put on. Back in the day if I recall
>> correctly, attire was a polo helmet, a tee shirt and maybe a lap belt if 
>> the
>> driver took the time to connect it. Leap forward to today and even at the
>> amateur hobby level (yes, that's most of us folks!)we have 5 point
>> harnesses, HANS devices, gloves, etc. not to mention the starting 
>> procedures
>> many follow. The thought of scampering across the track and diving into it
>> would scare hell out of me! I know I'm getting old, and I want to get a lot
>> older before a dirt nap.
>> I think Bill is spot on. There is great wisdom in his words.
>> 
>> Russ Moore
>> Spitfire #49
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:57 AM
>> To: andre at gt6.ca; budscars at comcast.net
>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts
>> 
>> In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time,
>> andre at gt6.ca writes:
>> 
>> 
>>> Why not take it a step further.
>>> 
>>> Lemans starts.
>>> 
>>> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
>>> 
>> 
>> The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were
>> exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.
>> 
>> Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse power
>> and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with LeMan
>> or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.
>> Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer 
>> term
>> 
>> 'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.
>> 
>> Bill Dentinger
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>> 
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From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Feb 15 10:50:06 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:50:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
References: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
	<AANLkTim-5U1zuq-MKQuiTgjH-ahFBT5uAznL7LPL8YUK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F44AAC18399C418FAE9920B76C136F96@Bud>

We do occasional have a Le Mans start with CSRG when we have our 'relay 
race'
Racer bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
Cc: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts


Why not take it a step further.

Lemans starts.

Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)

I'd be game for that kind of fun.

A.

On 14 February 2011 23:49, RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
> When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing starts...It was
> Wonderful!..
> Racer Bud
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue Feb 15 11:39:16 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:39:16 -1000
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
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A lollipop is a handicap race where the cars are distributed in semi-equal
packs around the track (usually five or six packs, depending on track length).
The fastest cars at start, next fastest a bit further and so on until you get
to just before the finish. The start zones are marked by a track worker
holding up a colored disk--hence lollipop. If you are assigned to yellow you
drive around the track until you find the yellow lollipop and line up in a
staggered formation behind the car in front. Cars are released to the track in
reverse order: slowest first, so even within a group the slowest car has some
advantage.

The race is started over the radios--the worker gives two and one minute
warnings, and then when the worker drops the lollipop everyone goes--standing
start. You determine the number of laps by taking the time difference between
fastest and slowest cars and dividing that into the average lap time for the
fastest cars. The fast cars should just be catching the slowest ones when the
race ends.

Personally, I prefer the Australian Pursuit, where each car is flagged off
according to their handicapped time to complete the number of laps. Starting
off two or three laps behind a slow car is really a hoot, especially when you
round the last turn and see fifteen cars in a wad because they've all caught
up.

But lollipop is easier to organize.

Bill
On Feb 15, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Mike Jackson wrote:

> Hey Bill, what's a lollipop race?  VDCA is always looking for new gimmick
race ideas
>
> Mike Jackson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
>> Sent: Feb 15, 2011 10:17 AM
>> To: BillDentin at aol.com
>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts
>>
>> SOVREN does them for certain special events, like enduros or "Lollipop" or
>> other handicap races. For the Le Mans start the driver is already in the
car,
>> belted in and set to go, while a pit crew member does the running. Kind of
>> fun, but just a sideshow.
>>
>> On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:56 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time,
>>> andre at gt6.ca writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Why not take it a step further.
>>>>
>>>> Lemans starts.
>>>>
>>>> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
>>>>
>>>
>>> The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were
>>> exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.
>>>
>>> Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse
power
>>> and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with
LeMan
>>> or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.
>>> Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer
term
>>> 'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.
>>>
>>> Bill Dentinger
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>
>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>> Bill Babcock
>> billb at bnj.com
>>
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>> http://www.xgeez.com
>> Ke Nalu -- The Journal of Stand Up Paddling
>> http://www.kenalu.com
>>
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503.936.7660

From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Feb 15 12:03:00 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:03:00 EST
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
Message-ID: <43a76.3a0c2b61.3a8c27e4@aol.com>

In a message dated 02/15/2011 12:47:50 PM Central Standard Time, 
billb at bnj.com writes:


> Personally, I prefer the Australian Pursuit, where each car is flagged 
> off
> according to their handicapped time to complete the number of laps. 
> Starting
> off two or three laps behind a slow car is really a hoot, especially when 
> you
> round the last turn and see fifteen cars in a wad because they've all 
> caught
> up.
> 

They don't call them Australian Pursuit Races, but traditionally the VSCDA 
does these (very successfully, I might add) at the Blackhawk Vintage Classic 
(Father's Day Week End).  As a matter of fact, I think I won the very first 
one they ever ran, at a time I was finding a second or two every time I ran 
a session.  I think Wismer has won one too.  I've never been involved in 
the orchestration, but I understand that there is a lot of work involved 
(setting them up), causing orchestra leaders to miss banquet and drinking the 
night before.  

I agree that these are great fun.

Bill Dentinger

From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Tue Feb 15 12:20:06 2011
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:20:06 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
Message-ID: <13711781.1297797606682.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

/ATHyyE: Permission denied

From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue Feb 15 12:29:10 2011
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:29:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW:  standing starts
In-Reply-To: <SNT134-w313187F02A57DB6554898B90D30@phx.gbl>
References: <88DC4D77-D6CD-4218-8D04-0144EB854272@bnj.com>,
	<20110215111800.QEPK9.1259597.imail@fed1rmwml45>,
	<SNT134-w313187F02A57DB6554898B90D30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT134-w4550CA69E8D45C0FC7A77D90D30@phx.gbl>

From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
To: kaskas at cox.net
Subject: RE: [Fot] standing starts
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:39:40 -0700




The previous owner of my Elva Courier did a standing start in Aspen and a guy
about two cars up stalled.  My Elva stopped but a Corvette behind drove up the
back of the Elva and perched the front wheels on the rollbar with the throttle
stuck open, where the engine continued to run until it exploded.

Cheers, Henry Morrison ( my Elva's been through a lot)

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:18:00 -0800
> From: kaskas at cox.net
> To: BillDentin at aol.com; billb at bnj.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts
>
> In 1953 in a race at Aspen Colorado we had a Le Mans start. One guy in a
hurry broke the key off in the dashboard starting or trying to start his car,
another jumped in over the door, through his seat belt and took him a couple
laps to get undone. Another fellow jumped over the door and took the gear
change lever up his pants leg, had to get out and start all over again. I
heard all these stories after the event. Fun for me but a horror some .
>
>
>
>
> --- Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:
> SOVREN does them for certain special events, like enduros or "Lollipop" or
> other handicap races. For the Le Mans start the driver is already in the
car,
> belted in and set to go, while a pit crew member does the running. Kind of
> fun, but just a sideshow.
>
> On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:56 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time,
> > andre at gt6.ca writes:
> >
> >
> >> Why not take it a step further.
> >>
> >> Lemans starts.
> >>
> >> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
> >>
> >
> > The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s. They were
> > exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.
> >
> > Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse
power
> > and talent. In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with
LeMan
> > or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.
> > Adding further complication is looking for trouble. The old bricklayer
term
> > 'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.
> >
> > Bill Dentinger
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com
> >
> >
>
> Bill Babcock
> billb at bnj.com
>
> Xtreme Geezer eMagazine
> http://www.xgeez.com
> Ke Nalu -- The Journal of Stand Up Paddling
> http://www.kenalu.com
>
> 70 Pono Rd
> Haiku, HI
> 503.936.7660
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>
>
> --
> Never be beaten by equipment
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From riverside at southslope.net  Tue Feb 15 12:41:52 2011
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:41:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire autocrosser engine
Message-ID: <B466A6D1E7F440F8BAE5B7552EC0FCB4@rileyPC>

We are trying to move along on this 1500 motor and are looking at
some options that have led to some questions that exceed our
experience.

How much overbore is safe without sonic testing the block?

How much can the deck be safely cut?

Has anyone used a larger wrist pin and if so how big can
you bore the small end?

What needs to be done to use the larger earlier exhaust valve
in a b78 head

What needs to be done to use the b74 intake in the b78 head?

Is there a way to go to bushed rockers?

Is the outside oiler for the rockers a good ideal?  Any potential
for too much oil to the rockers?

Which of these ideas produce too little juice for the squeeze?

Thanks for all your great advice.

art de armond

From rodkent at cox.net  Tue Feb 15 13:22:51 2011
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:22:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] spitfire hub bolt circle
Message-ID: <20110215152251.TOY6W.1240135.imail@fed1rmwml41>

Hi, easy question for this audience. What size bolt circle does a Spitfire/GT-6 use. I have a set of Panasports I ordered for a build that I am changing direction on, and I am not sure if I ordered a size that will fit the Spitfire and I need to advertize/peddle them. thx, rod

From herald948 at aol.com  Tue Feb 15 14:27:56 2011
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:27:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] spitfire hub bolt circle
In-Reply-To: <20110215152251.TOY6W.1240135.imail@fed1rmwml41>
References: <20110215152251.TOY6W.1240135.imail@fed1rmwml41>
Message-ID: <8CD9B6E58B2399D-1B10-EEFA@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com>

 4 x 3.75"



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

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Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
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-----Original Message-----
From: rodkent <rodkent at cox.net>


Hi, easy question for this audience. What size bolt circle does a
Spitfire/GT-6

use.

From wes at hsrca.org.au  Tue Feb 15 15:57:05 2011
From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:57:05 +1100
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
Message-ID: <C9814E11.1AE2%wes@hsrca.org.au>

Historic races in Australia all use standing starts and I agree that the
race to the first corner is one of the highlights of racing. Yes, I have
experienced some 'heart-in-mouth' moments when the car in front suddenly
darts to the left or right, exposing some guy stalled in the middle of the
track frantically waving his arms, but (so far) have always manage to miss
them.

The only Historic races I have witnessed here using rolling starts it when
we have the F5000s running; apparently trying to get one of those things
off the line quickly from standing still results in lots of debris and
little motion. 

Wes Dayton

On 15/02/11 3:49 PM, "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:

>When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing starts...It was
>Wonderful!..
>Racer Bud
>_______________________________________________
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>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Feb 15 16:03:29 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 00:03:29 +0100
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <C9814E11.1AE2%wes@hsrca.org.au>
References: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
	<C9814E11.1AE2%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <000801cbcd64$947ec230$bd7c4690$@com>

Last year I had my first pole position and you can bet on.....I missed that
start completely and nearly stalled the engine. Seems that I got nervous
somehow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpDL9YkDX1Q


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Wes Dayton [mailto:wes at hsrca.org.au]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Februar 2011 23:57
An: RACER BUD; MadMarx; FOT
Betreff: Re: [Fot] standing starts

Historic races in Australia all use standing starts and I agree that the
race to the first corner is one of the highlights of racing. Yes, I have
experienced some 'heart-in-mouth' moments when the car in front suddenly
darts to the left or right, exposing some guy stalled in the middle of the
track frantically waving his arms, but (so far) have always manage to miss
them.

The only Historic races I have witnessed here using rolling starts it when
we have the F5000s running; apparently trying to get one of those things
off the line quickly from standing still results in lots of debris and
little motion.

Wes Dayton

On 15/02/11 3:49 PM, "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:

>When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing starts...It was
>Wonderful!..
>Racer Bud
>_______________________________________________
>fot at autox.team.net
>
>http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Feb 15 17:27:43 2011
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:27:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
References: <7a60.15726d31.3a8bee23@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6670E43677A74D25940382BF916FB396@rocky>

Some years ago I did an autocross with a modified "Le Mans Start" (the 
classic run-across Le Mans Start is illegal in SCCA, BTW). Drivers had two 
options, both of which required him to be in the car and fully buckled up.

Option 1 was car off, hand on the key, and at "go" he'd start the car. I 
found it fastest in my car to hit the key with the car already in gear, 
clutch out, gas to the floor. It would buck once and go.

Option 2, for those who feared their car was hard start, was car running but 
in neutral (or Park), both feet flat on the floor and both hands atop his 
helmet. At "go" he could move, hit the steering wheel, gearshift and pedals 
as needed.

Weird, but fun.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
To: <andre at gt6.ca>; <budscars at comcast.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts


> In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time,
> andre at gt6.ca writes:
>
>
>> Why not take it a step further.
>>
>> Lemans starts.
>>
>> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
>>
>
> The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were
> exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.
>
> Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse 
> power
> and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with 
> LeMan
> or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.
> Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer 
> term
> 'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.
>
> Bill Dentinger
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Feb 15 18:24:09 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:24:09 -0800
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
References: <C9814E11.1AE2%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <4D642E5CA6844DC6BD84F7766D596013@Bud>

The standing starts are also 'great equalizers' because some drivers can 
turn very fast lap times, but have no 'racecraft'....while a good driver 
that may have had a mechanical problem in qualifying starts 1/4 of a mile 
back....Having raced in standing starts in FP at Riverside, and having stood 
next to the grid for the standing start of the big bore races(THE GROUND 
SHAKES)!.....It's an experience that every racer should have the opportunity 
to do at least once....It is just SO COOL!!
Racer Bud

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wes Dayton" <wes at hsrca.org.au>
To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>; "MadMarx" 
<tr4racing at googlemail.com>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts


> Historic races in Australia all use standing starts and I agree that the
> race to the first corner is one of the highlights of racing. Yes, I have
> experienced some 'heart-in-mouth' moments when the car in front suddenly
> darts to the left or right, exposing some guy stalled in the middle of the
> track frantically waving his arms, but (so far) have always manage to miss
> them.
>
> The only Historic races I have witnessed here using rolling starts it when
> we have the F5000s running; apparently trying to get one of those things
> off the line quickly from standing still results in lots of debris and
> little motion.
>
> Wes Dayton
>
> On 15/02/11 3:49 PM, "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing starts...It was
>>Wonderful!..
>>Racer Bud
>>_______________________________________________
>>fot at autox.team.net
>>
>>http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Wed Feb 16 07:12:11 2011
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:12:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need to contact Chuck Gee
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ZVx3G9p+Af5c_jwiOVCFuk2H3r7fZPh8ZZGCd@mail.gmail.com>

Chuck,

I tried sending an email but haven't heard back from you.  Could you
contact me directly, I need to talk to you about Cam shafts.

Thanks,

Brad

From rodkent at cox.net  Wed Feb 16 09:33:53 2011
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:33:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] spitfire hub bolt circle
In-Reply-To: <8CD9B6E58B2399D-1B10-EEFA@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20110216113353.787HD.1276828.imail@fed1rmwml45>

Thanks to everyone for the response, turns out they are 3.75. I don't want to misuse the site, is there a forum for selling parts associated with FOT?
---- Andrew Mace <herald948 at aol.com> wrote: 

 4 x 3.75"

 

--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: rodkent <rodkent at cox.net>


Hi, easy question for this audience. What size bolt circle does a Spitfire/GT-6 

use.

From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Feb 16 17:56:49 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 19:56:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Jefferson 500, Summit Point, May 12-14
Message-ID: <C70D6DFF-A897-41D0-B251-5BAE60F78DC2@me.com>

Vintage Racer Group is sponsoring this event, always a great one on  
the east coast.  They just opened for registration in the past few  
days.  Early bird date (free practice day) cut-off is March 15th. www.vrgonline.com
Hope to see some other Triumph racers there.

Scott Janzen
'68 GT6

From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Thu Feb 17 05:00:08 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 07:00:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Jefferson 500, Summit Point, May 12-14
In-Reply-To: <C70D6DFF-A897-41D0-B251-5BAE60F78DC2@me.com>
References: <C70D6DFF-A897-41D0-B251-5BAE60F78DC2@me.com>
Message-ID: <60B70554-D507-4E25-B24A-7E28AF3F3DF5@aol.com>

I will be there as crew.

I will also be at VIR April 8-10 as crew.

I will be toting the grill badges with me. Still only $30.

Chris

On Feb 16, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> wrote:

> Vintage Racer Group is sponsoring this event, always a great one on
> the east coast.  They just opened for registration in the past few
> days.  Early bird date (free practice day) cut-off is March 15th.
www.vrgonline.com
> Hope to see some other Triumph racers there.
>
> Scott Janzen
> '68 GT6
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From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Thu Feb 17 05:36:31 2011
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (Chip Collingwood)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 07:36:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Jefferson 500, Summit Point, May 12-14
Message-ID: <380-220112417123631475@earthlink.net>

I am planning on attending. Running my Datsun 510 though...the TR isn't
ready for Vintage yet!


> [Original Message]
> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: 2/16/2011 8:18:47 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Jefferson 500, Summit Point, May 12-14
>
> Vintage Racer Group is sponsoring this event, always a great one on  
> the east coast.  They just opened for registration in the past few  
> days.  Early bird date (free practice day) cut-off is March 15th.
www.vrgonline.com
> Hope to see some other Triumph racers there.
>
> Scott Janzen
> '68 GT6
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Feb 17 08:25:43 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:25:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Jefferson 500, Summit Point, May 12-14
In-Reply-To: <C70D6DFF-A897-41D0-B251-5BAE60F78DC2@me.com>
References: <C70D6DFF-A897-41D0-B251-5BAE60F78DC2@me.com>
Message-ID: <8CD9CCE13C09050-1218-11AA2@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com>

 good to hear that the eastern FOT is emerging from hibernation.

58 degrees here today, but wont last long.










-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Feb 16, 2011 6:56 pm
Subject: [Fot] Jefferson 500, Summit Point, May 12-14


Vintage Racer Group is sponsoring this event, always a great one on

the east coast.  They just opened for registration in the past few

days.  Early bird date (free practice day) cut-off is March 15th.

www.vrgonline.com

Hope to see some other Triumph racers there.



Scott Janzen

'68 GT6

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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 17 10:48:30 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 12:48:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Question
Message-ID: <BLU156-w35D715A012513757CE94D9BAD50@phx.gbl>

Can anybody give me the stock head thickness of a Spitfire MK 3 head?

Thanks,
Marty

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Feb 18 10:04:49 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:04:49 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire answer
In-Reply-To: <BLU156-w35D715A012513757CE94D9BAD50@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU156-w35D715A012513757CE94D9BAD50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000001cbcf8d$f5492120$dfdb6360$@com>

Just to please you.

http://www.triumph-competition.de/images/content/img_4003.jpg

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Feb 18 10:30:53 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:30:53 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire answer
In-Reply-To: <C7A30747-EC99-449F-875F-AA9D20965E87@charter.net>
References: <BLU156-w35D715A012513757CE94D9BAD50@phx.gbl>
	<000001cbcf8d$f5492120$dfdb6360$@com>
	<C7A30747-EC99-449F-875F-AA9D20965E87@charter.net>
Message-ID: <000101cbcf91$9a6bba70$cf432f50$@com>

Nope....the driver did a good job and was good in front of them.
I was lapped...as my engine heated up and I backed off the reach the finish
line.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jerry Barr [mailto:jerrybarr at charter.net]
Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Februar 2011 18:26
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Spitfire answer

The assume the Spitfire is being lapped.;-)
On Feb 18, 2011, at 11:04 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> Just to please you.
>
> http://www.triumph-competition.de/images/content/img_4003.jpg
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Fri Feb 18 19:53:40 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 21:53:40 EST
Subject: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter
Message-ID: <77042.3d093c33.3a908ab4@aol.com>

I finally gave up on the oil filter adapter on the GT6 and put the canister 
 back on.  It wasn't fun taking the adapter off or putting the canister 
back  on but it is done and the canister doesn't leak, at least right now.  
We'll  see what happens.
This is what happened with the TR6 when I first put on an adapter.   Tried 
one a few years later from a different vendor and manufacturer.  No  
problems with it now.  I bought the new adapter from a major supplier (the  one for 
the GT) but it just would not quit leaking.
 
Sam

From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Feb 18 20:35:16 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:35:16 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter
References: <77042.3d093c33.3a908ab4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FC8DDC0992B74ADF8C3F50C5B2E4D404@Bud>

You need to be sure to screw the threaded post in far enough so that the 
filter rubber is flush/tight to the adapter so that the oil filter can 
tighten snuggly to the rubber ring..RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <TRDOCTOR at aol.com>
To: <tr6 at atlasok.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>; <thomaschronister at cox.net>; <akgraves at cox.net>; 
<6pack at autox.team.net>; <triumphlist at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 6:53 PM
Subject: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter


>I finally gave up on the oil filter adapter on the GT6 and put the canister
> back on.  It wasn't fun taking the adapter off or putting the canister
> back  on but it is done and the canister doesn't leak, at least right now.
> We'll  see what happens.
> This is what happened with the TR6 when I first put on an adapter.   Tried
> one a few years later from a different vendor and manufacturer.  No
> problems with it now.  I bought the new adapter from a major supplier (the 
> one for
> the GT) but it just would not quit leaking.
>
> Sam
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Fri Feb 18 22:22:27 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:22:27 EST
Subject: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter
Message-ID: <7a710.10cb150c.3a90ad93@aol.com>

The problem wasn't with the filter (once I got one that would fit in the  
allotted space) it seemed to with the adapter itself.  Oh, well. . . 
 
Sam
 
 
In a message dated 2/18/2011 9:35:20 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
budscars at comcast.net writes:

You need  to be sure to screw the threaded post in far enough so that the 
filter  rubber is flush/tight to the adapter so that the oil filter can 
tighten  snuggly to the rubber ring..RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From:  <TRDOCTOR at aol.com>
To: <tr6 at atlasok.com>
Cc:  <fot at autox.team.net>; <thomaschronister at cox.net>;  <akgraves at cox.net>; 
<6pack at autox.team.net>;  <triumphlist at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 6:53  PM
Subject: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter


>I finally gave up on  the oil filter adapter on the GT6 and put the 
canister
> back on.   It wasn't fun taking the adapter off or putting the canister
>  back  on but it is done and the canister doesn't leak, at least right  
now.
> We'll  see what happens.
> This is what happened with  the TR6 when I first put on an adapter.   
Tried
> one a few  years later from a different vendor and manufacturer.  No
>  problems with it now.  I bought the new adapter from a major supplier  
(the 
> one for
> the GT) but it just would not quit  leaking.
>
> Sam
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Sat Feb 19 03:37:53 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:37:53 +1000
Subject: [Fot] tall 1st gear for race TR6
Message-ID: <AANLkTinjK=dR3uuKAmxPa405vfoJ=Ajf11i==muQ=Mpz@mail.gmail.com>

i have a few brand new Leyland Special tuning  1st gears. these are 31
teeth, suit steel bush and have the late model back-cut syncro dog (so they
wont suit early syncro hubs). they are meant to be mated to a 17 tooth
cluster gear as used in late TR6, Stag or Dolomite Sprint. This combination
gives a 2.77 1st gear if you have the 23 x 35 input gear pair. prefer to
swap for other special gears, but will sell outright.
Terry O'Beirne, AUSTRALIA

From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Sun Feb 20 12:32:58 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 11:32:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter
In-Reply-To: <7a710.10cb150c.3a90ad93@aol.com>
Message-ID: <924636.37446.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sam: As you said, the problem isn't the filter, it is the adapter. There are
two generations of the adapter. The first has a fixed center and seal. These
were used for years and leaked on enough engines to drive a redesign. The
problem with the fixed center was that the casting tolerences on the area
where the filter mounts allowed the center with it's seal to contact and seal
in the center, before the outer lip sealed on the larger outer seal. An
adapter would work on one motor, and fail to seal on a motor next to it. The
redesign makes the center section and seal spring loaded. It presses inward
until the outer lip makes a seal. You can still buy an older one if you buy a
used one on line. The new style has been out a few years and most inventories
from the big suppliers should have only new ones if they rotate stock. A block
that has the sealing problem,could be "fixed" during a rebuild if you machine
some material from the center sealing
 area. I don't know how much should be removed...what the difference should be
between the two surfaces. In any case, it would be less expensive to just
purchase the new style adapter.
-Ed Barnard-    

--- On Fri, 2/18/11, TRDOCTOR at aol.com <TRDOCTOR at aol.com> wrote:


From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com <TRDOCTOR at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter
To: budscars at comcast.net, tr6 at atlasok.com
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net, thomaschronister at cox.net, akgraves at cox.net,
fot at autox.team.net, triumphlist at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, February 18, 2011, 11:22 PM


The problem wasn't with the filter (once I got one that would fit in the 
allotted space) it seemed to with the adapter itself.  Oh, well. . .

Sam


In a message dated 2/18/2011 9:35:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
budscars at comcast.net writes:

You need  to be sure to screw the threaded post in far enough so that the
filter  rubber is flush/tight to the adapter so that the oil filter can
tighten  snuggly to the rubber ring..RB
----- Original Message -----
From:  <TRDOCTOR at aol.com>
To: <tr6 at atlasok.com>
Cc:  <fot at autox.team.net>; <thomaschronister at cox.net>;  <akgraves at cox.net>;
<6pack at autox.team.net>;  <triumphlist at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 6:53  PM
Subject: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter


>I finally gave up on  the oil filter adapter on the GT6 and put the
canister
> back on.   It wasn't fun taking the adapter off or putting the canister
>  back  on but it is done and the canister doesn't leak, at least right 
now.
> We'll  see what happens.
> This is what happened with  the TR6 when I first put on an adapter.   
Tried
> one a few  years later from a different vendor and manufacturer.  No
>  problems with it now.  I bought the new adapter from a major supplier 
(the
> one for
> the GT) but it just would not quit  leaking.
>
> Sam
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Mon Feb 21 03:48:49 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 05:48:49 EST
Subject: [Fot] [6pack]  Oil Filter Adapter
Message-ID: <458bb.19d6904c.3a939d11@aol.com>

I was trying to eliminate the drain back of oil when not running, but, I  
guess that I will just stick with the canister even though it is a PITA to  
change the filter.  I'll just make sure that I have a good filter.   The one 
I put in there was a VB brand (whatever that is) but in the future I  will 
stock up on some others.
When we bought the car I was sure that it was the same filter as the TR6,  s
ince it is the same configuration, but that turned out not to be the  case. 
 The TR6 filter is bigger in diameter and deeper.  
Sam and Carol Clark
Green Country Triumphs (Tulsa)
 
Just stick with the original filter. My mechanic says they're better for  
many
reasons. I know lots of folks love the spin on, so I'm not trying to  start 
a
big thread on which is better. Just my opinion.

Sloane  :)
69-Six

From andre at gt6.ca  Mon Feb 21 05:08:43 2011
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:08:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Oil Filter Adapter
In-Reply-To: <458bb.19d6904c.3a939d11@aol.com>
References: <458bb.19d6904c.3a939d11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinoa_oRue5m520eLWCapGzDNWQRxTMp-Ru_1jw=@mail.gmail.com>

Go with the K&N filters.

Anti drain back valve.

Following filters will work with the GT6 spin on and clear the steering
shaft.

Oil Filter  Fram CHP3682, K&N's # HP1002
http://gt6.ca/08/0525/slides/DSCN3605.html

You have to remove the whole setup to do a filter change, but still
works decent.
Oil cooler setup is slight more involved.

http://gt6.ca/07/0919b/slides/DSCN2633.html with Fram (I use for winter
storage)

A.

On 21 February 2011 05:48,  <TRDOCTOR at aol.com> wrote:
> I was trying to eliminate the drain back of oil when not running, but, I
> guess that I will just stick with the canister even though it is a PITA to
> change the filter.  I'll just make sure that I have a good filter.   The
one
> I put in there was a VB brand (whatever that is) but in the future I  will
> stock up on some others.
> When we bought the car I was sure that it was the same filter as the TR6,
 s
> ince it is the same configuration, but that turned out not to be the  case.
>  The TR6 filter is bigger in diameter and deeper.
> Sam and Carol Clark
> Green Country Triumphs (Tulsa)
>
> Just stick with the original filter. My mechanic says they're better for
> many
> reasons. I know lots of folks love the spin on, so I'm not trying to  start
> a
> big thread on which is better. Just my opinion.
>
> Sloane  :)
> 69-Six
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#515 FIAT 124 Spider  - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada

From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Mon Feb 21 05:37:21 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:37:21 EST
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Oil Filter Adapter
Message-ID: <48119.11dd540a.3a93b681@aol.com>

I think that I will just stick with the original and find a Wix or
Purolator filter.  I am sick of messing with it especially if I have to
remove the
adapter to change the filter.
Sam


In a message dated 2/21/2011 6:08:48 A.M. Central Standard Time,
andre at gt6.ca writes:

Go with  the K&N filters.

Anti drain back valve.

Following filters  will work with the GT6 spin on and clear the steering
shaft.

Oil Filter  b Fram CHP3682, K&N's #  HP1002
http://gt6.ca/08/0525/slides/DSCN3605.html

You have to remove  the whole setup to do a filter change, but still
works decent.
Oil  cooler setup is slight more  involved.

http://gt6.ca/07/0919b/slides/DSCN2633.html with Fram (I use  for winter
storage)

A.

On 21 February 2011 05:48,   <TRDOCTOR at aol.com> wrote:
> I was trying to eliminate the drain  back of oil when not running, but, I
> guess that I will just stick with  the canister even though it is a PITA
to
> change the filter.  I'll  just make sure that I have a good filter.   The
one
> I put in  there was a VB brand (whatever that is) but in the future I
will
>  stock up on some others.
> When we bought the car I was sure that it was  the same filter as the
TR6,  s
> ince it is the same configuration,  but that turned out not to be the
case.
>  The TR6 filter is  bigger in diameter and deeper.
> Sam and Carol Clark
> Green  Country Triumphs (Tulsa)
>
> Just stick with the original filter.  My mechanic says they're better for
> many
> reasons. I know lots  of folks love the spin on, so I'm not trying to
start
> a
>  big thread on which is better. Just my opinion.
>
> Sloane  :)
> 69-Six
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Ottawa, ON,  Canada

From bill at kenalu.com  Mon Feb 21 08:04:31 2011
From: bill at kenalu.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 05:04:31 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Peyote Running With Big Boys
Message-ID: <4D44F463-68AF-4284-9E34-E9B1FB9CA54E@kenalu.com>

I'm playing around with video editing software, so I reworked a in-car video
shot at the 2010 Columbia River Classic where I moved Peyote up to run in the
Big Bore class. Fun races, I like tiptoeing around with those big guys.
http://www.xgeez.com/2011/02/peyote-races-with-the-big-boys/  Still kind of
long--about 20 minutes, but it's fun. Really shows off how easy Peyote is to
drive.

Bill Babcock
bill at kenalu.com

Xtreme Geezer eMagazine
http://www.xgeez.com

Ke Nalu -- The Journal of Stand Up Paddling
http://www.kenalu.com

From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Mon Feb 21 10:48:13 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:48:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Peyote Running With Big Boys
In-Reply-To: <4D44F463-68AF-4284-9E34-E9B1FB9CA54E@kenalu.com>
Message-ID: <827125.95190.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Nice commentary detailing the strategy, I enjoyed the insight. 

Paul 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: February 21, 2011 10:05 AM
To: Friends of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Peyote Running With Big Boys

I'm playing around with video editing software, so I reworked a in-car video
shot at the 2010 Columbia River Classic where I moved Peyote up to run in
the Big Bore class. Fun races, I like tiptoeing around with those big guys.
http://www.xgeez.com/2011/02/peyote-races-with-the-big-boys/  Still kind of
long--about 20 minutes, but it's fun. Really shows off how easy Peyote is to
drive.

Bill Babcock
bill at kenalu.com

Xtreme Geezer eMagazine
http://www.xgeez.com

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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Feb 21 10:52:46 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:52:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Peyote Running With Big Boys
References: <4D44F463-68AF-4284-9E34-E9B1FB9CA54E@kenalu.com>
Message-ID: <805814359A4B417EA580984AF71D1942@Bud>

Enjoyable video Bill......and probably very infomative for newr drivers...RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <bill at kenalu.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 7:04 AM
Subject: [Fot] Peyote Running With Big Boys


> I'm playing around with video editing software, so I reworked a in-car 
> video
> shot at the 2010 Columbia River Classic where I moved Peyote up to run in 
> the
> Big Bore class. Fun races, I like tiptoeing around with those big guys.
> http://www.xgeez.com/2011/02/peyote-races-with-the-big-boys/  Still kind 
> of
> long--about 20 minutes, but it's fun. Really shows off how easy Peyote is 
> to
> drive.
>
> Bill Babcock
> bill at kenalu.com
>
> Xtreme Geezer eMagazine
> http://www.xgeez.com
>
> Ke Nalu -- The Journal of Stand Up Paddling
> http://www.kenalu.com
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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Mon Feb 21 14:19:12 2011
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:19:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors
Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A8957FC@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>

Afternoon FOTer's,

What's everybody doing (brand wise, vendor wise) when it's time to
replace the GT6 rotors on your F production Spitfire race car??? I was
wanting to get cyro'ed rotors from Powerslot/Centric parts as they are a
vendor of my company but they only offer the Spitfire rotor.  Killed
mine at Atlanta this weekend and got to get ready for the next race. All
comments/suggestions are welcomed.

Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax
www.dieselperformanceparts.com

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Feb 21 15:04:13 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:04:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors
In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A8957FC@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>
Message-ID: <291239050.710925.1298325853114.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

US Cryogenics, Nashville, TN

I haven't spoken with them but most companies charge by the pound.





jim g






----- Original Message -----
From: "Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info" <info at dieselperformanceparts.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 2:19:12 PM
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors

Afternoon FOTer's,

What's everybody doing (brand wise, vendor wise) when it's time to
replace the GT6 rotors on your F production Spitfire race car??? I was
wanting to get cyro'ed rotors from Powerslot/Centric parts as they are a
vendor of my company but they only offer the Spitfire rotor. B Killed
mine at Atlanta this weekend and got to get ready for the next race. All
comments/suggestions are welcomed.

Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Mon Feb 21 15:20:27 2011
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony & Annie Garmey)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:20:27 -0800
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP169E9BCE0C912FAE7862C2FB2D90@phx.gbl>

Coleman racing ! They make there rotos from your sample/drawing. Not cheap....but you get what you pay for !

"Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info" <info at dieselperformanceparts.com> wrote:

>Afternoon FOTer's,
>
>What's everybody doing (brand wise, vendor wise) when it's time to
>replace the GT6 rotors on your F production Spitfire race car??? I was
>wanting to get cyro'ed rotors from Powerslot/Centric parts as they are a
>vendor of my company but they only offer the Spitfire rotor.  Killed
>mine at Atlanta this weekend and got to get ready for the next race. All
>comments/suggestions are welcomed.
>
>Mark Craig
>Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
>411 Allied Drive
>Nashville, TN 37211
>866-455-7788 Phone
>615-834-9923 Fax
>www.dieselperformanceparts.com
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Wed Feb 23 07:09:10 2011
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:09:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors
In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A8957FC@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>
References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A8957FC@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>
Message-ID: <000001cbd363$3e8cf7c0$bba6e740$@rr.com>

Well, if you were to move up north for a bit the cryo-treatment is free. We
had 12 below zero this AM. Can't even think about racing yet! Think of all
the money you could save, not being able to race for 7 months out of the
year!

Russ Moore
In the frozen tundra of upstate NY where taxes are high and temps low!

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Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors

Afternoon FOTer's,

What's everybody doing (brand wise, vendor wise) when it's time to
replace the GT6 rotors on your F production Spitfire race car??? I was
wanting to get cyro'ed rotors from Powerslot/Centric parts as they are a
vendor of my company but they only offer the Spitfire rotor.  Killed
mine at Atlanta this weekend and got to get ready for the next race. All
comments/suggestions are welcomed.

Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax
www.dieselperformanceparts.com
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Wed Feb 23 13:52:30 2011
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (wgrosenbach at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:52:30 GMT
Subject: [Fot] CVAR @ TWS
Message-ID: <20110223.135230.22985.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com>

Greetings all,How does CVAR deal with a non-member, non-competitor who arrives
to Spectate?
Thanks,Bill

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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Feb 23 14:30:29 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:30:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] take bids to ship a car
Message-ID: <1354613741.811407.1298496629094.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

FoT, 

A friend sent me this link. You can take bids to ship your car(s). His shipping cost turned out to be 

1/2 of what was quoted when calling shipping companies. 



http://www.uship.com/ 





Jim G 

From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Feb 23 15:17:43 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:17:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] CVAR @ TWS
In-Reply-To: <20110223.135230.22985.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com>
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Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A1B93DC48BA@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

The best bet is to get tickets from a participant. We each get 4 with a
registration. I'm not registered but both the Blakes and Bobby Whitehead may
have some extras they can email you.

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
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Subject: [Fot] CVAR @ TWS

Greetings all,How does CVAR deal with a non-member, non-competitor who
arrives
to Spectate?
Thanks,Bill

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From seacubeco at aol.com  Fri Feb 25 13:41:47 2011
From: seacubeco at aol.com (seacubeco at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:41:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Grill Badges
Message-ID: <8CDA3438E30CE61-23C8-649@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>

Amici,

 If there is anyone out there that has paid but not received their badge
PLEASE PLEASE contact me.  I don't want to overlook anyone or even give the
hint of screwing someone out of their money.

I believe that I sent them all out but I want to make sure.


I do have extras and I will be bringing them to the races I go to. Still only
$30.   Next race is at VIR, Wild Hare Run April 8-10.  I am crewing for the
275 team MGA (it was given to them, they have TR's for home use) just look me
up if I don't find the FOT gang.

Thanks
Chris

From sjanzen at me.com  Fri Feb 25 20:08:17 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:08:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Valve Guide Mysteries
Message-ID: <B837C939-046E-401A-AD0C-34E3E5CB9745@me.com>

Most times when I work on this car I discover how much I have yet to  
learn about it and cars in general - mostly this is fun . . . and  
another way of saying I feel like I ask a lot of questions as a result  
of basic ignorance!  Anyway, you might recall that I posted about a  
"dropped" valve guide the other day (intake) - it had moved into the  
intake passage at least .20".  Stem to guide clearances seem to be in  
line, and the interference fit mic'ed out correctly.
I picked up a few replacement guides and noticed that the lengths of  
what I purchased and what installed vary considerably.

Installed - 2.07" (both intake and exhaust) - this means the intakes  
protrude more above the head and more into the port.
the odd one that dropped - 2.16"
New ones from a reputable source - either 2.03" or 2.27".  I would  
assume the longer ones are the exhaust, given the head configuration,  
but would love to have someone confirm that.
Available travel before the retainer hits the top of the guide - 0.58"
Gross valve lift with current rockers - 0.490"
Net valve lift after clearance - 0.475"

OK, so the extra length may be why the odd intake guide moved, though  
it moved a lot more than the extra protrusion would indicate.

BTW, the factory manual says the valve guides are supposed to be 2.72"  
long!  Don't know how they fit, unless they protruded halfway into the  
air passages, and of course the valve lift was less.

So, the questions are -
1. which is supposed to be the longer guide - the intake or exhaust?
2. how much clearance is enough between keeper and guide top?
3. how much should the guide protrude into the air passage?  In the  
current installation, the intakes protrude about 0.2-.25", and the  
exhaust not at all.

From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Sat Feb 26 15:49:27 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 08:49:27 +1000
Subject: [Fot] RE GT6 guides
Message-ID: <AANLkTinH=5_MCN1SKT4Q0uAf70t1Bn5+EU8g3BTyB6b1@mail.gmail.com>

the guides are different Mk1 to Mk2 head, and you havge no said which it is

there were at least 6 different guides over the life of the 6 cyl and some
wholesalers sell guides for a few other cars, as the ID/OD dimenions are
identical but length varies

I'll go into the workshop on monday and measure some

terry o'beirne

From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat Feb 26 17:00:43 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 18:00:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca/Kastner Cup Weekend
Message-ID: <4D69942B.7080806@pobox.com>

My apologies if this question has already been asked.  Will there be any 
opportunity for street cars to drive the track?
Larry Young

From billb at bnj.com  Sat Feb 26 18:06:25 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 15:06:25 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca/Kastner Cup Weekend
In-Reply-To: <4D69942B.7080806@pobox.com>
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Highly unlikely.
On Feb 26, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Larry Young wrote:

> My apologies if this question has already been asked.  Will there be any
opportunity for street cars to drive the track?
> Larry Young
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sat Feb 26 20:41:30 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 22:41:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] RE GT6 guides
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinH=5_MCN1SKT4Q0uAf70t1Bn5+EU8g3BTyB6b1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinH=5_MCN1SKT4Q0uAf70t1Bn5+EU8g3BTyB6b1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03D91389-7CDE-4BAE-A8C0-12CF1EF89399@me.com>

thanks - it's a later style head, not a MkI.
The interference fit on the guide that moved, on second examination,  
was not adequate.  It looks like Jaguar guides are about a 1/4"  
longer, 5/1000 larger diameter, and can easily be reamed out, turned  
down and shortened.
Unless I find someone that supplies oversize guides, this is the  
approach I'll take.

On Feb 26, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:

the guides are different Mk1 to Mk2 head, and you havge no said which  
it is

there were at least 6 different guides over the life of the 6 cyl and  
some wholesalers sell guides for a few other cars, as the ID/OD  
dimenions are identical but length varies

I'll go into the workshop on monday and measure some

terry o'beirne

From triumphs at consolidated.net  Sat Feb 26 23:21:35 2011
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home PC)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 00:21:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca/Kastner Cup Weekend
References: <4D69942B.7080806@pobox.com>
	<952BB786-E9BF-4CA1-A9AC-E5E81FAC1549@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <5FEDBAFE08D840F0A8A994FAA8288447@0817C93C637E473>

Not even a noon time parade lap?

Ken Gano

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Seca/Kastner Cup Weekend


> Highly unlikely.
> On Feb 26, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Larry Young wrote:
>
>> My apologies if this question has already been asked.  Will there be any
> opportunity for street cars to drive the track?
>> Larry Young
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Sun Feb 27 08:49:05 2011
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 10:49:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] NOS Spitfire/GT-6 4.11:1 R & P(2)
Message-ID: <000001cbd695$dd605420$9820fc60$@rr.com>

Before I list these on Fleabay, I wanted to offer them to FOT. These are
both Leyland NOS R&P sets part # 518843 still in the original box and
wrapped in oil paper. I can send pictures. These are a direct bolt in on the
later style Mk 4 and 1500 Spitfire diff case as well as the GT-6 case. This
allows the use of the stronger stub axles and bearings. This is not to be
confused with the weaker Mk 1, 2 and 3 4.11 gear sets. I am selling these to
raise the funds to go racing this spring hopefully. I also have an original
NOS MGB stepped reamer still in its wax casing. I got rid of the MG flavored
cars years back so I no longer see a need for this. This is used for the
installation and sizing of new front suspension bushings during a front end
rebuild.

If interested please contact me off line via e-mail. 

 

Russ Moore

Spitfire #49

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sun Feb 27 13:54:17 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:54:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup photo's
Message-ID: <20110227205600.C52CE18764E@autox.team.net>

FoT,

I was wondering if anyone has a copy of the photo taken of the grid from the
starters position

they might be willing to share, or any other Cup photo's for that matter.

Thanks,

Jim G

From horizonracing at msn.com  Sun Feb 27 19:51:47 2011
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 18:51:47 -0800
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup photo's
In-Reply-To: <20110227205600.C52CE18764E@autox.team.net>
References: <20110227205600.C52CE18764E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <SNT141-w40C3F590E0B0BDBEA51E23B2DE0@phx.gbl>

www.nwspeedshots.com

> From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:54:17 -0700
> Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup photo's
>
> FoT,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has a copy of the photo taken of the grid from
the
> starters position
>
> they might be willing to share, or any other Cup photo's for that matter.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim G
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Sun Feb 27 20:56:33 2011
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 21:56:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup photo's
In-Reply-To: <20110227205600.C52CE18764E@autox.team.net>
References: <20110227205600.C52CE18764E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000001cbd6fb$7e257330$7a705990$@com>

I have some photos from the starters position on the Kastner cup grid if you
are interested I can e-mail them to you.  They are about 2.5 Mb for each
file.

Tim Murphy

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Behalf Of Jim Gray
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 2:54 PM
To: Friends of triumph
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup photo's

FoT,

I was wondering if anyone has a copy of the photo taken of the grid from the
starters position

they might be willing to share, or any other Cup photo's for that matter.

Thanks,

Jim G
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Mon Feb 28 04:46:34 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 21:46:34 +1000
Subject: [Fot] new gearbox gears
Message-ID: <AANLkTikTeF+2A12jObY9hrW7=vTmi3m=ybOeugAn3iD4@mail.gmail.com>

i have unearthed a bit of a stash of brand new triumph gearbox gears. they
are with a company that is closing and used to do a lot of gearbox rebuilds.
if anyone is chasing something, please email me with part number and I'll
happily look over next week or so while i'm chasing some for myself. There
seems to be gears & hubs for models TR, 2000, Spitfire, GT6 + a few oddities
like front-drive Toledo etc . So far, i have not seen any TR cluster
gears/shafts, but they may be lurking deeper. I doubt there will be much (if
any) TR7 stuff and definitely no NOS syncro cones

Terry O'Beirne
AUSTRALIA

From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Mon Feb 28 08:35:37 2011
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:35:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help
Message-ID: <C22F4A3F0AA3EA488D30A42FC8A4817639AD8F102A@DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local>

Hey Listers,

What's the best source for GT6 rotors for a racing Spitfire. I know of all the
normal outlets for pats, but am concerned that I get the best quality for the
purpose of racing. I plan to cyro the rotors and would really like some that
are slotted if anyone knows of them somewhere. As always thanks!!

Mark Craig
615-347-0260

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 28 10:37:07 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:37:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Belts and Harnesses
Message-ID: <BLU156-w318503112B61470A70F6CDBADE0@phx.gbl>

I will probably end up buying a new set of harnesses for the Spit this year.
For autoxing all that was required was 4 points.  For the Spit I will need to
go 5 or 6 point.  Is there any strong opinions as to which is better? I would
think the 6 point would be more, er, forgiving in case of being actually put
to use.  What say the masses?

Thanks,
Marty

From bownes at seiri.com  Mon Feb 28 10:51:00 2011
From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:51:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Belts and Harnesses
In-Reply-To: <BLU156-w318503112B61470A70F6CDBADE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU156-w318503112B61470A70F6CDBADE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <44E897C8-1F37-4927-8BCC-50213D4F042F@seiri.com>

My feeling is the more points you can distribute the load over, the better.





On Feb 28, 2011, at 12:37 PM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I will probably end up buying a new set of harnesses for the Spit this
year.
> For autoxing all that was required was 4 points.  For the Spit I will need
to
> go 5 or 6 point.  Is there any strong opinions as to which is better? I
would
> think the 6 point would be more, er, forgiving in case of being actually
put
> to use.  What say the masses?
>
> Thanks,
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From sjanzen at me.com  Mon Feb 28 14:28:46 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:28:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ARP torque setting for main cap studs - TR6, GT6
Message-ID: <1EBDE74C-8C92-479A-9F81-C4FE77E0C702@me.com>

anybody know what this reading supposed to be?  I've mislaid the info  
that came with the studs.  I'm assuming it ought to be more than  
factory.

From gaf3 at charter.net  Mon Feb 28 16:25:43 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:25:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Stag Transmission Parts
Message-ID: <4D6C2EF7.8040701@charter.net>

Hi
I'm trying to locate a source for the Borg Warner Automatic Transmission 
parts for a Club Members Stag.
I have the Automatic Stripped down and I'm having a difficult time 
locating parts. I need the standard stuff for a rebuild. Gaskets, seals 
clutches and steels and a few other parts.
Rimmer doesn't have anything much on their website.
Does anyone out there  have a source for these parts. The usual 
suppliers don't have any stock for the British built Automatic.
Are there any Stag Mail Lists I could post a message on?
Thanks in advance
Glenn Franco

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Feb 28 16:50:21 2011
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:50:21 EST
Subject: [Fot] Stag Transmission Parts
Message-ID: <5a02c.7919de21.3a9d8ebd@aol.com>

What trans is this?  BW type 8 as in the Jags?  I have a spare  type 8 from 
a 69 Jag if it helps you...
 
 
In a message dated 2/28/2011 3:46:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
gaf3 at charter.net writes:

Hi
I'm trying to locate a source for the Borg Warner Automatic  Transmission 
parts for a Club Members Stag.
I have the Automatic  Stripped down and I'm having a difficult time 
locating parts. I need the  standard stuff for a rebuild. Gaskets, seals 
clutches and steels and a few  other parts.
Rimmer doesn't have anything much on their website.
Does  anyone out there  have a source for these parts. The usual 
suppliers  don't have any stock for the British built Automatic.
Are there any Stag  Mail Lists I could post a message on?
Thanks in advance
Glenn  Franco
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Feb 28 17:46:46 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:46:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Stag Transmission Parts
In-Reply-To: <4D6C2EF7.8040701@charter.net>
References: <4D6C2EF7.8040701@charter.net>
Message-ID: <156301cbd7aa$24e6f8c0$6eb4ea40$@rr.com>

You could try at
http://www.triumphstag.net/start/phorum/list.php?1

Anything posted there will, in theory at least, get copied to the Stag mail
list.

You should probably mention if it is a BW35 (early Stag) or BW65 (late Stag)
as they are different.  Also used in several other cars of the period, so it
shouldn't be too hard to track down some parts for them.  Eg,
http://atransmission.info/bw37tb-81-up-master-rebuild-kit-with-steels-saab-b
w-35tb-3sp-fwd.html

-- Randall 

From LOddTR at aol.com  Tue Feb 22 17:31:52 2011
From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:31:52 -0000
Subject: [Fot] Be There or Be Square - The 5th Annual Martha McDougal
	Races	ate VIR 4/8 - 4/10
Message-ID: <3203.4cc42792.3a95af6e@aol.com>

Now that everyone is shaking off the cobwebs, except for those fortunate  
souls that attended last week's VDCA event at Road Atlanta, it's time to plan 
 your April outings!
 
The 5th Annual Martha McDougal award will be presented to a special TR  
Racer at the VDCA Wild Hare on VIR's fantastic 3.3 mile track in April. The TR  
Ghetto will again host the Friday evening cookout which has been known to  
feature a fine collection of foods and beverages. 
 
In addition to the fellowship of your favorite TR buddies, you will enjoy  
more track time than you are likely to buy fuel for. This event is a great 
way  to dive into the 2011 season and have a ball while you're at it. So mark 
your  calendar and load your trailer - BE THERE OR BE SQUARE!
 
THE TR GHETTO
For entry details go to - _http://http://www.vintagedrive.com/_ 
(http://http://www.vintagedrive.com/) 
 
Here is the story of the trophy and why it was named for  Martha:
 
 
This Trophy honors Ms. Martha McDougal, a woman who toiled  in almost total 
obscurity for many years at the Triumph automobile plant in  Coventry, 
England.  According to sources believed to be reliable, Martha  was born in 
Coventry in January, 1923. Her parents were tragically killed in the  Blitz and 
Martha was left an orphan at age 16. Although she was not overly  bright, 
she was very resourceful and within months had gotten a job at the  Standard 
Triumph factory emptying the dust bins. Throughout the war and until  the 
demise of the company, Martha made the rounds, day after day, month after  
month, year after year, transferring the trash into her cart and then into the  
large bins behind the factory, without complaint or even one day's absence.  

Over the years Martha became known as the single person who had  completed 
the most "laps" of the Triumph factory and, upon her retirement a few  
months before the final closing of the Coventry plant, she was honored with a  
bronzed pair of high top Keds, her signature footwear.  It is rumored that  at 
the presentation, Sir John himself reminisced about how Martha, who had an  
endearing habit of assigning nicknames to all the staff, would push past 
him in  the hallway and mumble, "Get out of my way you fat  bastard".

From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Feb  1 09:43:29 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 10:43:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR3 and Southwick Conversion
In-Reply-To: <312745366.1950765.1296501078095.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <312745366.1950765.1296501078095.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4D483831.1060708@pobox.com>

I did not have my Southwick axles lengthened, just spent a bit of time 
with the die grinder and all was good.  I had some light tire rub with 
the 205 Speedsters, so I rolled the inner fender flange over wire.  If 
the axles were 1/8 inch longer, more drastic measures would have been 
required to fit the 205's.

On 1/31/2011 1:11 PM, davehogye wrote:
> It's good to get some feedback regarding adjusting fender clearance.
> It has been brought to my attention that track may be measured by some racing groups.
> Has anyone had their cars' track scrutinized?
> Tire and wheel size is related to the matter of clearance as well. I believe that TR3s should be to running 5.5" wheels max., but that depends on the race organization.
> What tire, wheel, spacer combinations are being used for TR3s? If spacers are being used, then maybe the axle could be lengthen a bit.
> Could the Southwick conversion for TR3s be lengthened by 1/4" overall? Is it worth going to the trouble of having the option from Southwick?
> Moser cuts and machines the axles, it seams to me that an 1/8" adjustment could be easily made.
> Again, 1/8" would really help the weld grinding situation. There really isn't that much weld on there when compared the the tube thickness. Perhaps no one has had a problem after removing some weld, but I thought this question was worth asking. If added length creates other problems, then it's probably not a good idea.
> Thanks for the commentary,
> Dave H.
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Feb  1 10:23:35 2011
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:23:35 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 and Southwick Conversion
In-Reply-To: <4D483831.1060708@pobox.com>
References: <312745366.1950765.1296501078095.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<4D483831.1060708@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <C40F6844-3208-4EAB-879A-4DAED3531929@earthlink.net>

I have the Southwick conversion on my TR3 with the stock-length axle  
tubes.  There plates were ground down a bit to fit over the flange.   
It gets thin in places.  Also, the guy who performed the conversion  
used U-bolts of different diameters so that the outer's are thinner to  
make a better fit over the flange.

~Steve


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Tue Feb  1 10:31:01 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 12:31:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
Message-ID: <52785169-7100-48C7-824B-C325AA178D64@aol.com>

Amici

Has anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they fit/look?

Looking for a driver fender for a 72.

Going on a daily driver.

Thanks


From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  1 12:37:32 2011
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 11:37:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
In-Reply-To: <52785169-7100-48C7-824B-C325AA178D64@aol.com>
References: <52785169-7100-48C7-824B-C325AA178D64@aol.com>
Message-ID: <139231.91392.qm@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

The aftermarket fiberglass fenders I have seen are just as heavy or heavier
than 
the stock steel fenders. I never saw a decent paint job on them so I
couldn't 
tell you how they look. 
Mike




________________________________
From: Christopher Bock <SeaCubeCo at aol.com>
To: FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 11:31:01 AM
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

Amici

Has
anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they fit/look?
Looking for a driver fender for a 72.

Going on a daily driver.

Thanks
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Feb  1 12:53:56 2011
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 13:53:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Trailer for sale
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E730C1@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Haulmark 18-footer, good tires, electric brakes, winch, internal tire
rack.   Nice condition.



Located in east-central Wisconsin.



$3,000



If you're interested, I can get you in touch with the owner.



NFI (which, in this case also means "no further information")



Scott B.


From bownes at seiri.com  Tue Feb  1 13:17:39 2011
From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 13:17:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
In-Reply-To: <139231.91392.qm@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <52785169-7100-48C7-824B-C325AA178D64@aol.com>
	<139231.91392.qm@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8B390AE9-F945-4869-92AE-08D0DE044794@seiri.com>

I have a set on the parts car in the yard. They pass the 20' test. :)



On Feb 1, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:

> The aftermarket fiberglass fenders I have seen are just as heavy or heavier
> than 
> the stock steel fenders. I never saw a decent paint job on them so I
> couldn't 
> tell you how they look. 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Christopher Bock <SeaCubeCo at aol.com>
> To: FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 11:31:01 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
> 
> Amici
> 
> Has
> anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they fit/look?
> Looking for a driver fender for a 72.
> 
> Going on a daily driver.
> 
> Thanks
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Feb  1 13:44:16 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:44:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR3 and Southwick Conversion
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References: <312745366.1950765.1296501078095.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<4D483831.1060708@pobox.com>
	<C40F6844-3208-4EAB-879A-4DAED3531929@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4D4870A0.1060005@pobox.com>

I used large U-bolts as well.

On 2/1/2011 11:23 AM, Steven Belfer wrote:
> I have the Southwick conversion on my TR3 with the stock-length axle 
> tubes.  There plates were ground down a bit to fit over the flange.  
> It gets thin in places.  Also, the guy who performed the conversion 
> used U-bolts of different diameters so that the outer's are thinner to 
> make a better fit over the flange.
>
> ~Steve
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  1 14:01:43 2011
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 13:01:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Stray Koni
Message-ID: <384511.19926.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - I am looking for a single Koni front shock for a TR3/4.
Anyone have
one that they would sell?    part# 80 1005  SP1

Thanks
Dennis


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Feb  1 14:36:20 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 21:36:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spax shock needs good home
Message-ID: <609650558.1789214.1296596180503.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

FoT

I have one, never used gas SpaxB / adjustable shock for the TR-4 ( conversion)

I bought it before I learned there are different shocks for lowered springs.

Will sell for 75% of retail. Moss PN is 264-698.

tanx



Jim G.


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Feb  1 15:08:25 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 23:08:25 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
In-Reply-To: <52785169-7100-48C7-824B-C325AA178D64@aol.com>
References: <52785169-7100-48C7-824B-C325AA178D64@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001501cbc25c$8eaeef00$ac0ccd00$@com>

Hi,

I have fiberglass fenders all around.
They look good when good when bought from a good company like Honeybourn
mouldings.
They are slightly lighter....
steel 4.5 kg
plastic 3.0 kg
You save more weight with doors and bonnets.
Changing from steel to plastic made the car 100kg lighter.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von Christopher Bock
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Februar 2011 18:31
An: FoTTriumph
Betreff: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

Amici

Has anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they
fit/look?

Looking for a driver fender for a 72.

Going on a daily driver.

Thanks
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Tue Feb  1 15:32:39 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 16:32:39 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
In-Reply-To: <001501cbc25c$8eaeef00$ac0ccd00$@com>
References: <52785169-7100-48C7-824B-C325AA178D64@aol.com>
	<001501cbc25c$8eaeef00$ac0ccd00$@com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A091B1A748B@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Chris,

Do they sell floors for a TR3?

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of MadMarx
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:08 PM
To: 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

Hi,

I have fiberglass fenders all around.
They look good when good when bought from a good company like Honeybourn
mouldings.
They are slightly lighter....
steel 4.5 kg
plastic 3.0 kg
You save more weight with doors and bonnets.
Changing from steel to plastic made the car 100kg lighter.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von Christopher Bock
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Februar 2011 18:31
An: FoTTriumph
Betreff: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

Amici

Has anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they
fit/look?

Looking for a driver fender for a 72.

Going on a daily driver.

Thanks
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Feb  1 15:40:38 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 23:40:38 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A091B1A748B@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
References: <52785169-7100-48C7-824B-C325AA178D64@aol.com>
	<001501cbc25c$8eaeef00$ac0ccd00$@com>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A091B1A748B@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <001d01cbc261$0e0a3f80$2a1ebe80$@com>

Floors?
You mean doors?
No doors for TR3...but there wouldn be much gain I suppose.

My TR4 doors weigh 3.5 kg instead of 25 for a full steel door with glass
window.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Kramer, Robert [mailto:RKramer at rdoequipment.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Februar 2011 23:33
An: MadMarx; 'Friends'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

Chris,

Do they sell floors for a TR3?

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:08 PM
To: 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

Hi,

I have fiberglass fenders all around.
They look good when good when bought from a good company like Honeybourn
mouldings.
They are slightly lighter....
steel 4.5 kg
plastic 3.0 kg
You save more weight with doors and bonnets.
Changing from steel to plastic made the car 100kg lighter.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Christopher Bock
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Februar 2011 18:31
An: FoTTriumph
Betreff: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

Amici

Has anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they
fit/look?

Looking for a driver fender for a 72.

Going on a daily driver.

Thanks
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From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Wed Feb  2 04:54:27 2011
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 22:54:27 +1100
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
In-Reply-To: <001501cbc25c$8eaeef00$ac0ccd00$@com>
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	<001501cbc25c$8eaeef00$ac0ccd00$@com>
Message-ID: <888179580E51423AB812999EADE80B83@GEOFFPC>

You guys are luck in Australia we have to run a full factory spec body no 
flares and no plastic panels
Geoff Byrne
TR6 Racer Down Under
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To: "'Friends'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr6 fenders


> Hi,
>
> I have fiberglass fenders all around.
> They look good when good when bought from a good company like Honeybourn
> mouldings.
> They are slightly lighter....
> steel 4.5 kg
> plastic 3.0 kg
> You save more weight with doors and bonnets.
> Changing from steel to plastic made the car 100kg lighter.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Christopher Bock
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Februar 2011 18:31
> An: FoTTriumph
> Betreff: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
>
> Amici
>
> Has anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they
> fit/look?
>
> Looking for a driver fender for a 72.
>
> Going on a daily driver.
>
> Thanks
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Feb  2 05:27:27 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 13:27:27 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
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That comes from that we are linked off the vintage FIA rules.
The Triumph Competition has their own rules, like the FIA, IMSA, DTM, WTCC.
So we can decide what is best for racing and fun and to keep cost low.

Big engined cars are limited with modifications and weight.
Small engined cars are allowed to have 10 percent less weight to catch up
with the big ones.
With this we have close racing, the cost are limited as nobody is forced to
run a 200 HP TR4 engine.
Fun for all and spectators also.

Go that way too with your group.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Geoff Byrne [mailto:gkbyrne at optushome.com.au]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Februar 2011 12:54
An: MadMarx; 'Friends'
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

You guys are luck in Australia we have to run a full factory spec body no
flares and no plastic panels
Geoff Byrne
TR6 Racer Down Under
----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: "'Friends'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr6 fenders


> Hi,
>
> I have fiberglass fenders all around.
> They look good when good when bought from a good company like Honeybourn
> mouldings.
> They are slightly lighter....
> steel 4.5 kg
> plastic 3.0 kg
> You save more weight with doors and bonnets.
> Changing from steel to plastic made the car 100kg lighter.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Christopher Bock
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Februar 2011 18:31
> An: FoTTriumph
> Betreff: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
>
> Amici
>
> Has anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they
> fit/look?
>
> Looking for a driver fender for a 72.
>
> Going on a daily driver.
>
> Thanks
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Feb  2 13:32:29 2011
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 20:32:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 and Southwick conversion
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Message-ID: <1647732285.83753.1296678749205.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Thanks for the comments and information regarding TR3s and Southwick axle conversions. 
I have been educated as to what problems might occur when changing the TR3s axle length. The most important issue is what's legal according to the rules in your particular race group. In my case, the stock length must be retained, but for others racing TR3s, a little extra axle length might be a reasonable modification to consider. 
It has been brought to my attention, that Southwick could lengthen the TR3 axle conversion as much as the tubes will allow and if a U bolt is provided, they will perform any needed grinding, all for no additional cost. 
Thanks again, 
Dave Hogye 


From sjanzen at me.com  Fri Feb  4 08:49:14 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:49:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Moving Valve Guide  - how to fix?
Message-ID: <0769FA75-512B-4F8E-8130-3FCB743E90B9@me.com>

Doing some winter maintenance, I noticed that one of the intake valve  
guides has shifted down into the port about 1/4".  What's the  
appropriate fix for this, assuming the guide is a standard diameter?   
Reassemble with red loctite, JB weld, or ?


From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  4 11:57:49 2011
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:57:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Coolant routing, TR6 race engine
Message-ID: <834427.90849.qm@web114701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

>From your resident ChumpCar team, we have the silly question of the day...

We
know we need to NOT run the hot water through the intake manifold while
racing...right?  Isn't that just for cold weather driveability (not much of a
concern on the race car...)  So do we just block both ends, or is that flow
path 
crucial to engine cooling and we need to run a hose anyway?  Yes, we are
running 
two stock strombergs, we don't have a choice...for now...

Thanks for
answering our series of silly questions.  We're reinstalling the 
engine
(built with the finest used parts, apart from gaskets, seals and freeze
plugs, that we can find...again, it's in the rules...) this weekend and
figured 
we'd better get an answer...

Thanks,

Jamie Palmer
Squadron Leader
RiffRAF Racing
1975 TR6 ChumpCar


From harmug at us.ibm.com  Fri Feb  4 13:58:41 2011
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:58:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
Message-ID: <OF8098C0E9.0E81DD24-ON8525782D.0071E493-8525782D.00733CC7@us.ibm.com>

I have a spare racing engine, 1296, that broke two cams. I thought the
first one was a bad cam blank but when the second one broke in the same
spot, cylinder #3 intake, after 5 hours run time, we took a closer look at
the block. It appears that there's excessive wear in the block (hole is out
of round) and the (new) lifter is cocking enough to put excessive side
loading on the cam lob (radial fracture marks on the cam remains).

I don't have the exact measurements here, the mechanic does, but we were
discussing options. He was wondering if a sleeve could be used to get the
bore back in spec. I was wondering if anyone here has seen this and has
another solution. Is it possible to bore it out and use a larger lifter
from another series engine? Custom lifters?

Thanks in advance

mike

63 Spitfire
HP and HRG1

G. Michael Harmuth


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Fri Feb  4 16:44:34 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 18:44:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Badges
Message-ID: <5AA276EA-C290-4313-99B1-AA80625A5370@aol.com>

Amici

Just a quick FYI.   All those who paid for a badge, they have been sent out
today.

There are more available.

I was wondering if there could beca posting on the website?


From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Fri Feb  4 17:45:27 2011
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (Chip Collingwood)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 19:45:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
Message-ID: <380-2201126504527526@earthlink.net>

Good question Mike/George,

The answer is most likely yes. On our race and street motors for the TR6 we
overbored the lifter holes and fitted them for the Ford solid lifter. Of
course this would not be legal for SCCA. But would be fine for
Vintage/Street applications as internal engine parts are "Free" in many
sanctioning bodies. This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
not effect maximum lift...and good lifters are available. What we did was
use a CNC and wrote a program to get the job done. You must be very
conscious of the relationship between the cam and the lifter bore angle and
offset. We also found that this mod interfered slightly with the
distributor drive...to get around this problem we offset the bore
centerline for that particular valve...it didn't take much.

Chip
U K Motorsports

> [Original Message]
> From: George Harmuth <harmug at us.ibm.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: 2/4/2011 3:58:53 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
>
> I have a spare racing engine, 1296, that broke two cams. I thought the
> first one was a bad cam blank but when the second one broke in the same
> spot, cylinder #3 intake, after 5 hours run time, we took a closer look at
> the block. It appears that there's excessive wear in the block (hole is
out
> of round) and the (new) lifter is cocking enough to put excessive side
> loading on the cam lob (radial fracture marks on the cam remains).
>
> I don't have the exact measurements here, the mechanic does, but we were
> discussing options. He was wondering if a sleeve could be used to get the
> bore back in spec. I was wondering if anyone here has seen this and has
> another solution. Is it possible to bore it out and use a larger lifter
> from another series engine? Custom lifters?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> mike
>
> 63 Spitfire
> HP and HRG1
>
> G. Michael Harmuth
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Fri Feb  4 19:22:03 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 02:22:03 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Moving Valve Guide  - how to fix?
Message-ID: <20110204.212203.29213.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

There are a couple of ways to fix this.  You can have an oversized guide
installed or if the guide is soft enough you can have it knurled and then
reinstalled.  Loctite sleeve retainer would be a good idea to help keep it in
place.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Moving Valve Guide  - how to fix?
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:49:14 -0500

Doing some winter maintenance, I noticed that one of the intake valve
guides has shifted down into the port about 1/4".  What's the
appropriate fix for this, assuming the guide is a standard diameter?
Reassemble with red loctite, JB weld, or ?
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Fri Feb  4 20:14:06 2011
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 19:14:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
References: <OF8098C0E9.0E81DD24-ON8525782D.0071E493-8525782D.00733CC7@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <7505A542EF7C4A9782A60ABFC62EB09E@Pendys>

 Had the same issue this past summer with three guides. Ended up over 
sizeing the bore and put in chevy guides cause they have a nice thick 
shoulder, these babies are not going to move.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Harmuth" <harmug at us.ibm.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 12:58 PM
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore


>I have a spare racing engine, 1296, that broke two cams. I thought the
> first one was a bad cam blank but when the second one broke in the same
> spot, cylinder #3 intake, after 5 hours run time, we took a closer look at
> the block. It appears that there's excessive wear in the block (hole is 
> out
> of round) and the (new) lifter is cocking enough to put excessive side
> loading on the cam lob (radial fracture marks on the cam remains).
>
> I don't have the exact measurements here, the mechanic does, but we were
> discussing options. He was wondering if a sleeve could be used to get the
> bore back in spec. I was wondering if anyone here has seen this and has
> another solution. Is it possible to bore it out and use a larger lifter
> from another series engine? Custom lifters?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> mike
>
> 63 Spitfire
> HP and HRG1
>
> G. Michael Harmuth
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat Feb  5 09:22:31 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 10:22:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <380-2201126504527526@earthlink.net>
References: <380-2201126504527526@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4D4D7947.5020009@pobox.com>

Chip, could you explain this?  How does a larger diameter lifter change 
the valve timing?

For the TR3/4 I've found that 99% of the available cams are designed 
using the lowest common denominator for lifters.  In the US, the 
smallest common lifter is the SBC at 0.842.  I've often wondered whether 
some of these grinds find their way into Spitfire and TR6 engines with 
the 0.800 lifter.  The result would be a cam that would run off the edge 
of the lifter. One can always get more lift by using a cam designed for 
a larger lifter.
Larry Young

On 2/4/2011 6:45 PM, Chip Collingwood wrote:
> This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
> not effect maximum lift...


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Feb  5 10:07:38 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 12:07:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Change of e-mail address
In-Reply-To: <91FDFE89A6314F63811ECC7F953596EB@HomePC>
References: <91FDFE89A6314F63811ECC7F953596EB@HomePC>
Message-ID: <8CD936E539EB8DE-1898-199AA@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com>

 address change for Bill.

congratulations on retirement....now the work really begins.








-----Original Message-----
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To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Sent: Sat, Feb 5, 2011 10:53 am
Subject: Change of e-mail address








Due to my Retirement please   change my e-mail address:





William E Redinger PE

1014 N 127 Ave

Omaha NE 68154

402-496-2006



weredinger at cox.net



Thanks

Bill Redinger


From billb at bnj.com  Sat Feb  5 10:59:18 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 07:59:18 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Change of e-mail address
In-Reply-To: <8CD936E539EB8DE-1898-199AA@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com>
References: <91FDFE89A6314F63811ECC7F953596EB@HomePC>
	<8CD936E539EB8DE-1898-199AA@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C694BA3E-37B1-4C0C-A074-58942A0C5E68@bnj.com>

I'm really good at it, if you need any advice drop a note. Of course you need
to learn to surf.

On Feb 5, 2011, at 7:07 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:

> address change for Bill.
>
> congratulations on retirement....now the work really begins.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill <weredinger at cox.net>
> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
> Sent: Sat, Feb 5, 2011 10:53 am
> Subject: Change of e-mail address
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Due to my Retirement please   change my e-mail address:
>
>
>
>
>
> William E Redinger PE
>
> 1014 N 127 Ave
>
> Omaha NE 68154
>
> 402-496-2006
>
>
>
> weredinger at cox.net
>
>
>
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>
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From goodparts at verizon.net  Sat Feb  5 12:12:47 2011
From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good)
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 14:12:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4A question
Message-ID: <C2E7EE890B6D454D8EFEA3744375BEF4@AdminPC>

I am designing radiator shrouds for TR4, TR4A and TR250.  Can anyone tell me
where the coolant overflow bottle mounts on the TR4A?  The car I used for
patterning the shroud had the mounting tab of the bottle mounting bracket
sandwiched between the frame mounting pad and the radiator mount on the right
side.  This placed the bottle directly front of the radiator mounting bolt and
in the way of the right side of the OE shroud.  The side of the shroud had to
bend inward to pass the bottle.  I would like to confirm if this is the
correct placement of the bottle before designing the shroud around it.

Thanks,
Richard Good
Good Parts


From billb at bnj.com  Sat Feb  5 13:06:00 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 10:06:00 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <4D4D7947.5020009@pobox.com>
References: <380-2201126504527526@earthlink.net> <4D4D7947.5020009@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <EB6D7B99-2229-4FBD-A053-21A52A487ABE@bnj.com>

Okay, that one confused me. How do you get more lift using a cam designed for
a larger lifter. When the cam is at full lift on any lifter it is in the
center of the lifter. Are you saying you can use a higher lift cam that runs
off the edge of the lifter to get more lift?
Bill
On Feb 5, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Larry Young wrote:

> Chip, could you explain this?  How does a larger diameter lifter change the
valve timing?
>
> For the TR3/4 I've found that 99% of the available cams are designed using
the lowest common denominator for lifters.  In the US, the smallest common
lifter is the SBC at 0.842.  I've often wondered whether some of these grinds
find their way into Spitfire and TR6 engines with the 0.800 lifter.  The
result would be a cam that would run off the edge of the lifter. One can
always get more lift by using a cam designed for a larger lifter.
> Larry Young
>
> On 2/4/2011 6:45 PM, Chip Collingwood wrote:
>> This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
>> not effect maximum lift...
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Feb  5 13:53:45 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:53:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <EB6D7B99-2229-4FBD-A053-21A52A487ABE@bnj.com>
References: <380-2201126504527526@earthlink.net> <4D4D7947.5020009@pobox.com>
	<EB6D7B99-2229-4FBD-A053-21A52A487ABE@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <663FF9C3EFE340C0914075716173CAFC@Vista>

Bill, 
The lifter diameter is typically sized for the amount of lift on the cam's
lobe.  If it is too small, the lobe will run off the edge and cause damage
to the cam.  So you must have a lifter properly sized for the cam itself.
This was the case with early Spitfire engines.  They had very small lifters.
Later when the cam was upgraded, they had to increase the size of the lifter
to keep pace with the cam upgrade.  Anybody who has an early Spitfire 1147
engine and wants to upgrade its performance would have run into this issue,
(Right Cary?)!

Joe

So, the cam itself dictates the lifter size not the other way.  It would be
like the tail wagging the dog.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:06 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore

Okay, that one confused me. How do you get more lift using a cam designed
for
a larger lifter. When the cam is at full lift on any lifter it is in the
center of the lifter. Are you saying you can use a higher lift cam that runs
off the edge of the lifter to get more lift?
Bill
On Feb 5, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Larry Young wrote:

> Chip, could you explain this?  How does a larger diameter lifter change
the
valve timing?
>
> For the TR3/4 I've found that 99% of the available cams are designed using
the lowest common denominator for lifters.  In the US, the smallest common
lifter is the SBC at 0.842.  I've often wondered whether some of these
grinds
find their way into Spitfire and TR6 engines with the 0.800 lifter.  The
result would be a cam that would run off the edge of the lifter. One can
always get more lift by using a cam designed for a larger lifter.
> Larry Young
>
> On 2/4/2011 6:45 PM, Chip Collingwood wrote:
>> This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
>> not effect maximum lift...
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sat Feb  5 14:05:20 2011
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:05:20 EST
Subject: [Fot] Chuckwalla
Message-ID: <18162.67d5374a.3a7f1590@aol.com>

Who's going to the new Chuckwalla Raceway?
 
So far I know myself, I think, and Ken Knight.
 
Paddock should be a mess, eh?


From kaskas at cox.net  Sat Feb  5 16:15:49 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 15:15:49 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <663FF9C3EFE340C0914075716173CAFC@Vista>
Message-ID: <20110205181549.H8SPJ.1110248.imail@fed1rmwml35>

I can't agree with you Joe or maybe I just misunderstand your meaning. The lifter is the object of attention when doing up a new cam.  Every engine I did and had cams made, ( all the Triumphs for 12 years) first requirement from the cam guys was "what is the diameter of the lifter", from this dimension we did the camshafts.
---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote: 
Bill, 
The lifter diameter is typically sized for the amount of lift on the cam's
lobe.  If it is too small, the lobe will run off the edge and cause damage
to the cam.  So you must have a lifter properly sized for the cam itself.
This was the case with early Spitfire engines.  They had very small lifters.
Later when the cam was upgraded, they had to increase the size of the lifter
to keep pace with the cam upgrade.  Anybody who has an early Spitfire 1147
engine and wants to upgrade its performance would have run into this issue,
(Right Cary?)!

Joe

So, the cam itself dictates the lifter size not the other way.  It would be
like the tail wagging the dog.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:06 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore

Okay, that one confused me. How do you get more lift using a cam designed
for
a larger lifter. When the cam is at full lift on any lifter it is in the
center of the lifter. Are you saying you can use a higher lift cam that runs
off the edge of the lifter to get more lift?
Bill
On Feb 5, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Larry Young wrote:

> Chip, could you explain this?  How does a larger diameter lifter change
the
valve timing?
>
> For the TR3/4 I've found that 99% of the available cams are designed using
the lowest common denominator for lifters.  In the US, the smallest common
lifter is the SBC at 0.842.  I've often wondered whether some of these
grinds
find their way into Spitfire and TR6 engines with the 0.800 lifter.  The
result would be a cam that would run off the edge of the lifter. One can
always get more lift by using a cam designed for a larger lifter.
> Larry Young
>
> On 2/4/2011 6:45 PM, Chip Collingwood wrote:
>> This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
>> not effect maximum lift...
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Feb  5 16:58:53 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:58:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <20110205181549.H8SPJ.1110248.imail@fed1rmwml35>
References: <663FF9C3EFE340C0914075716173CAFC@Vista>
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Message-ID: <B7362518C6ED4F09A9EC155C08875296@Vista>

I think I said the same thing you did Kas.  The lifter size is directly
related to the lift of the cam lobe.  Yes, cam manufacturers ask about the
lifter size so they know how far they can go with the cam development.  But
as with the early 1147 engine, there are other work-arounds.  Triumph
increased the diameter of the lifter in order to go with a more radical cam
design.  Early engines have to have the lifter channels bored out to accept
the later (larger) lifters.  The Mk1 lifters were 11/16" and when the Mk2
came out with the improved cam, Triumph increased the size to 13/16".

Maybe my wording was not clear.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:16 PM
To: 'Bill Babcock'; Joe Curry; 'Larry Young'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore

I can't agree with you Joe or maybe I just misunderstand your meaning. The
lifter is the object of attention when doing up a new cam.  Every engine I
did and had cams made, ( all the Triumphs for 12 years) first requirement
from the cam guys was "what is the diameter of the lifter", from this
dimension we did the camshafts.
---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote: 
Bill, 
The lifter diameter is typically sized for the amount of lift on the cam's
lobe.  If it is too small, the lobe will run off the edge and cause damage
to the cam.  So you must have a lifter properly sized for the cam itself.
This was the case with early Spitfire engines.  They had very small lifters.
Later when the cam was upgraded, they had to increase the size of the lifter
to keep pace with the cam upgrade.  Anybody who has an early Spitfire 1147
engine and wants to upgrade its performance would have run into this issue,
(Right Cary?)!

Joe

So, the cam itself dictates the lifter size not the other way.  It would be
like the tail wagging the dog.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:06 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore

Okay, that one confused me. How do you get more lift using a cam designed
for
a larger lifter. When the cam is at full lift on any lifter it is in the
center of the lifter. Are you saying you can use a higher lift cam that runs
off the edge of the lifter to get more lift?
Bill
On Feb 5, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Larry Young wrote:

> Chip, could you explain this?  How does a larger diameter lifter change
the
valve timing?
>
> For the TR3/4 I've found that 99% of the available cams are designed using
the lowest common denominator for lifters.  In the US, the smallest common
lifter is the SBC at 0.842.  I've often wondered whether some of these
grinds
find their way into Spitfire and TR6 engines with the 0.800 lifter.  The
result would be a cam that would run off the edge of the lifter. One can
always get more lift by using a cam designed for a larger lifter.
> Larry Young
>
> On 2/4/2011 6:45 PM, Chip Collingwood wrote:
>> This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
>> not effect maximum lift...
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Feb  5 17:36:55 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:36:55 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <B7362518C6ED4F09A9EC155C08875296@Vista>
References: <663FF9C3EFE340C0914075716173CAFC@Vista><20110205181549.H8SPJ.1110248.imail@fed1rmwml35>
	<B7362518C6ED4F09A9EC155C08875296@Vista>
Message-ID: <009201cbc595$f4bac170$0301a8c0@randall>

> The lifter size 
> is directly
> related to the lift of the cam lobe. 

I believe it's more the rate of lift that is limited by the lifter diameter
(for flat lifters).  It certainly is an important part of the cam design;
but the primary limitation is how fast the cam can move the lifter (per
degree of rotation) rather than how far.

Larry has a good description (with drawings) at
http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Technical/CamDesign.html

-- Randall  


From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Sun Feb  6 06:21:07 2011
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (Chip Collingwood)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 08:21:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
Message-ID: <380-2201120613217557@earthlink.net>

Larry,

I miss spoke. The increased diameter would not change valve timing. It
would though give you the ability to increase the profile of the cam
without running off the edge...a good result for a full race
motor...expanding possibilities


> [Original Message]
> From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: 2/5/2011 11:22:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
>
> Chip, could you explain this?  How does a larger diameter lifter change 
> the valve timing?
>
> For the TR3/4 I've found that 99% of the available cams are designed 
> using the lowest common denominator for lifters.  In the US, the 
> smallest common lifter is the SBC at 0.842.  I've often wondered whether 
> some of these grinds find their way into Spitfire and TR6 engines with 
> the 0.800 lifter.  The result would be a cam that would run off the edge 
> of the lifter. One can always get more lift by using a cam designed for 
> a larger lifter.
> Larry Young
>
> On 2/4/2011 6:45 PM, Chip Collingwood wrote:
> > This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
> > not effect maximum lift...
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From tpettenati at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  6 08:21:42 2011
From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:21:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <171471.25846.qm@web180312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

.Believe in magic pills! http://abenrs.com.br/2011.php?topic=0290 .


From kaskas at cox.net  Sat Feb  5 18:01:53 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:01:53 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <B7362518C6ED4F09A9EC155C08875296@Vista>
Message-ID: <20110205200153.E65Z1.544061.imail@fed1rmwml4201>

I remember well the tiny lifter in the first Spitfire engines.  I had to deal with it, successfully I might add. 



---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote: 
I think I said the same thing you did Kas.  The lifter size is directly
related to the lift of the cam lobe.  Yes, cam manufacturers ask about the
lifter size so they know how far they can go with the cam development.  But
as with the early 1147 engine, there are other work-arounds.  Triumph
increased the diameter of the lifter in order to go with a more radical cam
design.  Early engines have to have the lifter channels bored out to accept
the later (larger) lifters.  The Mk1 lifters were 11/16" and when the Mk2
came out with the improved cam, Triumph increased the size to 13/16".

Maybe my wording was not clear.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:16 PM
To: 'Bill Babcock'; Joe Curry; 'Larry Young'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore

I can't agree with you Joe or maybe I just misunderstand your meaning. The
lifter is the object of attention when doing up a new cam.  Every engine I
did and had cams made, ( all the Triumphs for 12 years) first requirement
from the cam guys was "what is the diameter of the lifter", from this
dimension we did the camshafts.
---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote: 
Bill, 
The lifter diameter is typically sized for the amount of lift on the cam's
lobe.  If it is too small, the lobe will run off the edge and cause damage
to the cam.  So you must have a lifter properly sized for the cam itself.
This was the case with early Spitfire engines.  They had very small lifters.
Later when the cam was upgraded, they had to increase the size of the lifter
to keep pace with the cam upgrade.  Anybody who has an early Spitfire 1147
engine and wants to upgrade its performance would have run into this issue,
(Right Cary?)!

Joe

So, the cam itself dictates the lifter size not the other way.  It would be
like the tail wagging the dog.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:06 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore

Okay, that one confused me. How do you get more lift using a cam designed
for
a larger lifter. When the cam is at full lift on any lifter it is in the
center of the lifter. Are you saying you can use a higher lift cam that runs
off the edge of the lifter to get more lift?
Bill
On Feb 5, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Larry Young wrote:

> Chip, could you explain this?  How does a larger diameter lifter change
the
valve timing?
>
> For the TR3/4 I've found that 99% of the available cams are designed using
the lowest common denominator for lifters.  In the US, the smallest common
lifter is the SBC at 0.842.  I've often wondered whether some of these
grinds
find their way into Spitfire and TR6 engines with the 0.800 lifter.  The
result would be a cam that would run off the edge of the lifter. One can
always get more lift by using a cam designed for a larger lifter.
> Larry Young
>
> On 2/4/2011 6:45 PM, Chip Collingwood wrote:
>> This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
>> not effect maximum lift...
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Feb  6 12:28:56 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 13:28:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <009201cbc595$f4bac170$0301a8c0@randall>
References: <663FF9C3EFE340C0914075716173CAFC@Vista><20110205181549.H8SPJ.1110248.imail@fed1rmwml35>
	<B7362518C6ED4F09A9EC155C08875296@Vista>
	<009201cbc595$f4bac170$0301a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <4D4EF678.1030601@pobox.com>

It is usually the cam that is designed for the lifter, not the other way 
around.  As Randall said, the rate of lift or the slope of the lift 
curve can be greater with a larger lifter.  If you can make the rate of 
lift greater, you can get more lift, which is a good thing.
Larry

On 2/5/2011 6:36 PM, Randall wrote:
>> The lifter size
>> is directly
>> related to the lift of the cam lobe.
> I believe it's more the rate of lift that is limited by the lifter diameter
> (for flat lifters).  It certainly is an important part of the cam design;
> but the primary limitation is how fast the cam can move the lifter (per
> degree of rotation) rather than how far.
>
> Larry has a good description (with drawings) at
> http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Technical/CamDesign.html
>
> -- Randall
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From john at race-dogs.com  Sun Feb  6 13:28:19 2011
From: john at race-dogs.com (John Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:28:19 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Chuckwalla
In-Reply-To: <18162.67d5374a.3a7f1590@aol.com>
References: <18162.67d5374a.3a7f1590@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001101cbc63c$64a42ed0$2dec8c70$@com>

Steve-
No worries about the Paddock- Will it be a little tight?- Yes! Will it be a
mess no!
Paul and Kim as the race chairs have be working hard and have gone out to
the track last week to get the parking arrangement setup up, so all will
have a 20x57 space- It will be a organized parking structure, unlike what we
are normally use too-  So if would like to have those who you normally park
next to you there, just request it and it should not be a problem- It would
be great if you had a HARD number when the first of your group arrives so
you all can work together-

Thanks-

JW

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Gt6steve at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:05 PM
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Chuckwalla

Who's going to the new Chuckwalla Raceway?
 
So far I know myself, I think, and Ken Knight.
 
Paddock should be a mess, eh?
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Feb  6 13:46:19 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 13:46:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <4D4EF678.1030601@pobox.com>
References: <663FF9C3EFE340C0914075716173CAFC@Vista><20110205181549.H8SPJ.1110248.imail@fed1rmwml35><B7362518C6ED4F09A9EC155C08875296@Vista><009201cbc595$f4bac170$0301a8c0@randall>
	<4D4EF678.1030601@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <A5EE01FB604841CE9E88E27E6C2BBC1D@Vista>

I think the truest thing that can be said (at least in the initial engine
design) is that the two are designed in tandem.  Most likely the designer
figured out what sort of cam he wanted and made sure that the lifter
diameter was appropriate.

After that, all bets are off because of the limits of what you can do in
terms of lifter size.  Thankfully, the Mk1 Spit engines had enough metal to
bore the channel in order to install larger lifters.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Larry Young
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 12:29 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore

It is usually the cam that is designed for the lifter, not the other way 
around.  As Randall said, the rate of lift or the slope of the lift 
curve can be greater with a larger lifter.  If you can make the rate of 
lift greater, you can get more lift, which is a good thing.
Larry


From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Sun Feb  6 16:34:22 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 09:34:22 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
Message-ID: <AANLkTikrUGmv=Rb7Vjmv7drqbTmXLyZStL77iC4mBp1-@mail.gmail.com>

the problem is mostly the acceleration rate (profile) of the cam, not the
max lift per-se. as the cam rotates, the shape of cam lobe is designed not
to dig into the edge of the lifter (or vice versa). this is called
edge-riding and is a very common problem when upgrading modern OHC engines
where everything is designed to work perfectly, with zero room for change.

to check this out, put some engineers blue on the face of the lifter and
rotate the cam. it is OK, if a thin blue edge remains around the
circumference of the lifter. if the cam wipes it off totally, thats not
right. the cam and the lifter are scraping (not riding). eventually, the cam
wears the sharp edge off the lifter and/or the cam lobe wears away; neither
being good

the cam designer can mathematically determine the profile from the lifter
diameter, thats why its his first question

Terry O'Beirne


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Sun Feb  6 19:59:18 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:59:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Neat website with brochures
Message-ID: <54008.7174.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This is a cool trip down memory lane, found a few of my old cars, kind of
brings a tear to my eyes, wish i still had a couple of them.
A website featuring the original factory brochures for nearly every American
car you have ever owned. Pick the manufacturer, the year and the model.
Enjoy!
 
Note also check out the miscellaneous section very interesting!!
 < http://www.lov2xlr8.no/broch1.html


From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Feb  6 20:51:30 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 19:51:30 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Neat website with brochures
References: <54008.7174.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2D305FBBF96B46D58C6302A6F40044A0@Bud>

Thanks Ed..!..Terrific Stuff!...
Racer bud
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To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 6:59 PM
Subject: [Fot] Neat website with brochures


> This is a cool trip down memory lane, found a few of my old cars, kind of
> brings a tear to my eyes, wish i still had a couple of them.
> A website featuring the original factory brochures for nearly every 
> American
> car you have ever owned. Pick the manufacturer, the year and the model.
> Enjoy!
>
> Note also check out the miscellaneous section very interesting!!
> < http://www.lov2xlr8.no/broch1.html
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From igofaster at att.net  Sun Feb  6 20:53:23 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 19:53:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] sometimes it runs, and then...
Message-ID: <861578.89506.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Still working the bugs out of my GT6 re-build from last September. Spent 
November at TWS working all weekend long trying to get the car 'dialed in'. I 
was registering either no temp on an EGR meter or all about way too hot on both 
EGT meters. I've rebuilt a new intake manifold and just got my carb's back this 
month from Joe Curto who prepared them when the car was first built. I suspected 
faulty temp probes or EGT guage so I ordered a new set from Pegasus.  I also 
bought a couple of nice Kas designed velocity stacks and filters from Joe... all 
looks so very nice...
The leads must have been faulty because today when I started the car initially, 
all the temps were in the lower scale, good! Then... the car dies. It did this 
the other day. Runs, and then just dies. I check the coil the other day by 
trying to short the lead when firing... nothing,, nothing,, the spark... the car 
fired up.
Same thing tonight, starts right up, runs for about a minute, then dies,,, no 
spark at the coil. I have two MSD 6A's and two MSD coil blasters.. the car did 
this about a year ago at TWS and I changed out the MSD 6A and the ran. I sent 
the old 6A to the factory and it came back 'BENCH TESTED GOOD, NO FAULTS' ...  
so... I'm not an electrical engineer, what am I missing.. I think I'll try to 
look at the switches tomorrow and see if there is something loose there... any 
ideas why I'm having intermittent problems guys?

Bobby Whitehead
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Feb  7 00:17:07 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:17:07 +0100
Subject: [Fot] sometimes it runs, and then...
In-Reply-To: <861578.89506.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <861578.89506.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000301cbc697$09cf6820$1d6e3860$@com>

Seems that this issue is heat related.
The MSD 6a can be point trigger. If you use points check these or replace
them.
Also these high output coils do like to fail. The coil expand from heat and
when the isolation is not perfect coil binding can happen.
I would start there.
You also could switch over to a simple Pertronix and see what happens.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead
Gesendet: Montag, 7. Februar 2011 04:53
An: FoT Triumph
Cc: George Curl; Bill Haga
Betreff: [Fot] sometimes it runs, and then...

Still working the bugs out of my GT6 re-build from last September. Spent
November at TWS working all weekend long trying to get the car 'dialed in'.
I
was registering either no temp on an EGR meter or all about way too hot on
both
EGT meters. I've rebuilt a new intake manifold and just got my carb's back
this
month from Joe Curto who prepared them when the car was first built. I
suspected
faulty temp probes or EGT guage so I ordered a new set from Pegasus.  I also

bought a couple of nice Kas designed velocity stacks and filters from Joe...
all
looks so very nice...
The leads must have been faulty because today when I started the car
initially,
all the temps were in the lower scale, good! Then... the car dies. It did
this
the other day. Runs, and then just dies. I check the coil the other day by
trying to short the lead when firing... nothing,, nothing,, the spark... the
car
fired up.
Same thing tonight, starts right up, runs for about a minute, then dies,,,
no
spark at the coil. I have two MSD 6A's and two MSD coil blasters.. the car
did
this about a year ago at TWS and I changed out the MSD 6A and the ran. I
sent
the old 6A to the factory and it came back 'BENCH TESTED GOOD, NO FAULTS'
...
so... I'm not an electrical engineer, what am I missing.. I think I'll try
to
look at the switches tomorrow and see if there is something loose there...
any
ideas why I'm having intermittent problems guys?

Bobby Whitehead
#39 DP Triumph GT6+ CVAR Group 7

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From henry at henryfrye.com  Mon Feb  7 04:33:41 2011
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 06:33:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca details posted!
Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050D2DEB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local>

Details on our 2011 Kastner Cup event are posted on our website.

http://fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/

Your webmaster


From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Feb  7 07:09:52 2011
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:09:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Weber 40 DOCE on an 1147 Spitfire?
Message-ID: <001601cbc6d0$b1280bc0$13782340$@aero>

Is anybody running a sidedraft 40 DOCE on a 1147 Spitfire?

If so and you send me photos of your linkage set-up?

I have been given a 40 DOCE on the correct manifold for my 1147 but it lacks
the linkages and cables.   I am looking for some advice on how to install
and set it up, so any knowledge with respect to jetting will also be
appreciated.

Thanks!


Robert MacKenzie
President, Hill Country Triumph Club
president at hillcountrytriumphclub.org
www.hillcountrytriumphclub.org


From jkhagen at charter.net  Mon Feb  7 08:13:42 2011
From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 10:13:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
Message-ID: <1138795019.9439977.1297091628061.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>

Way to go Terry---Lifter diameter is dictated by the "ramp angle"--
First [FOT] rookie question-TR-4 built 1968--it as a positraction rear--
any easy way to ID it Detriot-or Salisbury?  Thanks,  John Hagen


On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:

> the problem is mostly the acceleration rate (profile) of the cam, not 
> the
> max lift per-se. as the cam rotates, the shape of cam lobe is designed 
> not
> to dig into the edge of the lifter (or vice versa). this is called
> edge-riding and is a very common problem when upgrading modern OHC 
> engines
> where everything is designed to work perfectly, with zero room for 
> change.
>
> to check this out, put some engineers blue on the face of the lifter 
> and
> rotate the cam. it is OK, if a thin blue edge remains around the
> circumference of the lifter. if the cam wipes it off totally, thats 
> not
> right. the cam and the lifter are scraping (not riding). eventually, 
> the cam
> wears the sharp edge off the lifter and/or the cam lobe wears away; 
> neither
> being good
>
> the cam designer can mathematically determine the profile from the 
> lifter
> diameter, thats why its his first question
>
> Terry O'Beirne
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Feb  7 08:59:37 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 07:59:37 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Coolant routing, TR6 race engine
References: <834427.90849.qm@web114701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B3914982FAC34BADBE3307E4D9CF8252@Charly>

Jamie, I'm not sure if you got your answer, but I do on my racecar run a 
pipe from the back of the head where the heater valve attaches to the water 
pump housing.  This will assure that you get adequate flow through the head.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jamie Palmer" <tr6driver at yahoo.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 10:57 AM
Subject: [Fot] Coolant routing, TR6 race engine


> >From your resident ChumpCar team, we have the silly question of the 
> >day...
>
> We
> know we need to NOT run the hot water through the intake manifold while
> racing...right?  Isn't that just for cold weather driveability (not much 
> of a
> concern on the race car...)  So do we just block both ends, or is that 
> flow
> path
> crucial to engine cooling and we need to run a hose anyway?  Yes, we are
> running
> two stock strombergs, we don't have a choice...for now...
>
> Thanks for
> answering our series of silly questions.  We're reinstalling the
> engine
> (built with the finest used parts, apart from gaskets, seals and freeze
> plugs, that we can find...again, it's in the rules...) this weekend and
> figured
> we'd better get an answer...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jamie Palmer
> Squadron Leader
> RiffRAF Racing
> 1975 TR6 ChumpCar
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Feb  7 10:56:24 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 09:56:24 -0800
Subject: [Fot] patches
Message-ID: <B4F6A2DB1F31480BA8A75AAB1F47BB56@Bud>

Hi Gary...I received the patches today..Terrific!...Thanks for taking the time
and effort to do this.
Racer Bud..Sitfire #21


From REK46 at aol.com  Mon Feb  7 11:27:21 2011
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 13:27:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] patches
Message-ID: <5af23.3e9beb5f.3a819389@aol.com>

are there more patches left?
 
 
In a message dated 2/7/2011 1:23:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
budscars at comcast.net writes:

Hi  Gary...I received the patches today..Terrific!...Thanks for taking the  
time
and effort to do this.
Racer Bud..Sitfire  #21
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From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Mon Feb  7 19:11:57 2011
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 20:11:57 -0600
Subject: [Fot] solid graphite intake/exhaust
In-Reply-To: <247c4.4fef2a2d.39e74507@aol.com>
References: <247c4.4fef2a2d.39e74507@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001cbc735$909f3c60$b1ddb520$@rr.com>

Do you still have these intake/exhaust gaskets for the TR3/4 motor?  What
are the benefits costs.

Thanks,

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:23 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Copper head gasket source?

Need source for all-copper head gasket and solid graphite intake/exhaust  
gaskets
 
Dave Spiwak spiwakd at aol.com
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Feb  7 20:08:13 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 21:08:13 -0600
Subject: [Fot] solid graphite intake/exhaust
In-Reply-To: <000001cbc735$909f3c60$b1ddb520$@rr.com>
References: <247c4.4fef2a2d.39e74507@aol.com>
	<000001cbc735$909f3c60$b1ddb520$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <20110208030819.C5CA218764A@autox.team.net>

I've got a few of the solid graphite intake / exhaust gaskets for the 
high port head.  It's all I use - Jack used to sell them.

They are probably 3/16" thick (or so), and they are compressible so 
they seal where none of the other gaskets will seal.  If the normal 
gaskets work, you don't need these.  If you have a slightly warped 
header or just have problems sealing the header (or intake for that 
manifold), these are the fix.  They are not reusable, and they're not 
exactly cheap, but sure cheaper than a new header.

I can do $70 including shipping in the continental US - the last 
batch I had made was less expensive than last time around (maybe I 
ordered more?).

- Tony Drews

At 08:11 PM 2/7/2011, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:
>Do you still have these intake/exhaust gaskets for the TR3/4 motor?  What
>are the benefits costs.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Greg
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
>Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:23 PM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Copper head gasket source?
>
>Need source for all-copper head gasket and solid graphite intake/exhaust
>gaskets
>
>Dave Spiwak spiwakd at aol.com


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Feb  7 20:15:11 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 19:15:11 -0800
Subject: [Fot] are FOT messages getting through?
Message-ID: <E0C8DCC766D7485F8870B3D7DC6544D7@Bud>

Is anyone experiencing problems regarding receipt/sending of messages to
members?..
RB


From mlcooknj at msn.com  Tue Feb  8 09:27:25 2011
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 11:27:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: Mike My new E-mail adress to use in the VTR Mag.
In-Reply-To: <5363754CE7FD477997B138F175B2E7B4@HomePC>
References: <E1PmTDq-00039p-3m@vps4063.inmotionhosting.com>,
	<5363754CE7FD477997B138F175B2E7B4@HomePC>
Message-ID: <BAY147-w36E323884EB1576034E0FBC8EA0@phx.gbl>

To all FOT. See Bill Redinger new e-mail addres below. The previous one no
longer works.

>
> Mike, please change my e-mail address to weredinger at cox.net since my
> retirement.  Bill


From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Feb  8 11:00:56 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 10:00:56 -0800
Subject: [Fot] FOT BADGE
Message-ID: <D3D60E88D9B34BF3BE32DF4FF3CB5979@Bud>

Hi Chris....I received the badge today...WOW...now I know what the guys meant
when they said it's too nice to put on the grille....Absolutely Beautiful
Work.....
Thanks for everything!
Racer Bud...Spitfire #21


From jfrymark at aol.com  Tue Feb  8 14:17:21 2011
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 13:17:21 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 TR6 suspension question
Message-ID: <F1528F3B-A7DF-4F44-BE2F-6F4213BB2595@aol.com>

In the recent Classic Motorsports comparison of Sam Halkias' and the  
Group 44 TR6, the latter is listed as having Eibach springs. Anyone  
able to shed light on this? Did Eibach make TR dimensioned springs in  
the period or is there a trick mod to adapt a current offering to fit?  
I am especially interested in the rears to have readily available and  
lower cost options than custom-mades

John Frymark


From adcronin at mi.rr.com  Tue Feb  8 16:50:55 2011
From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 18:50:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Front Suspension, shims
Message-ID: <4AD0855F-B9B8-42CC-AB83-388F55ACB79A@mi.rr.com>

Does anyone have information on just how much one shim will change the camber
in the TR6 front suspension---assume a start point of +/- 0 degrees, add one
ship and you get ______what fraction of a degree negative camber.  Am
wondering how many shims should I should start with when setting up the bare
chassis---which is leveled fore and aft, port and starboard.
Thanks for any information you can shard.
Dan


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Feb  8 17:02:40 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 19:02:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 TR6 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <F1528F3B-A7DF-4F44-BE2F-6F4213BB2595@aol.com>
References: <F1528F3B-A7DF-4F44-BE2F-6F4213BB2595@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1102081857430.648@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I've looked at that suspension quite a bit.

Gp 44 / Bill Warner installed some spring buckets to the upper spring 
perch - I forget if they use jacking screws or not, but the bucket is 
sized for 2.5" springs (or some stock dimension spring)

That's pretty much it.

They then use some really, really hefty shocks (telescoping type) mounted 
to the roll cage and to the stock lower mounting ear on the trailing arm. 
NOTE: YOU NEED GUSSETS ON THE TRAILING ARMS!!!

I probably have pix somewhere. ;-)

regards,
rml
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  8 19:09:04 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 21:09:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] paging Bill Tobin
Message-ID: <BLU156-w84D40C802F499C4831B7FBAED0@phx.gbl>

Bill, shoot me an email. Yours keeps bouncing back.

Marty Sukey


From adcronin at mi.rr.com  Tue Feb  8 20:06:58 2011
From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 22:06:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Test---
Message-ID: <137F7EA0-D281-43B1-A996-A15A46B4FB20@mi.rr.com>

My attempts to get out a question keep coming back:  with the following:
			-Results
			  Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts

			-Unprocessed"
			 
Anyone have any hints?


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Feb  8 21:11:29 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 23:11:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] paging Bill Tobin
In-Reply-To: <BLU156-w84D40C802F499C4831B7FBAED0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU156-w84D40C802F499C4831B7FBAED0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CD96268F8E7968-1C38-10A1F@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>

 I got a call from Bill.....he has no computer, as it retired when he did.

He IS preparing is car to run at Laguna Seca.

Joe A.








-----Original Message-----
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 8:09 pm
Subject: [Fot] paging Bill Tobin


Bill, shoot me an email. Yours keeps bouncing back.



Marty Sukey

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Feb  8 21:13:30 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 23:13:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Test---
In-Reply-To: <137F7EA0-D281-43B1-A996-A15A46B4FB20@mi.rr.com>
References: <137F7EA0-D281-43B1-A996-A15A46B4FB20@mi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8CD9626D81F0264-1C38-10A85@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>

 Is it one one those 'too long' messages.








-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Cronin <adcronin at mi.rr.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 9:06 pm
Subject: [Fot] Test---


My attempts to get out a question keep coming back:  with the following:

            -Results

              Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts



            -Unprocessed"



Anyone have any hints?

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From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Feb  8 22:38:59 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 22:38:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Test---
In-Reply-To: <8CD9626D81F0264-1C38-10A85@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>
References: <137F7EA0-D281-43B1-A996-A15A46B4FB20@mi.rr.com>
	<8CD9626D81F0264-1C38-10A85@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8241C30B5B2A4FAF90F939377EE4AB76@Vista>

Either that or a mime is stuck inside one of those invisible boxes!  :)

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 9:14 PM
To: adcronin at mi.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Test---

 Is it one one those 'too long' messages.








-----Original Message-----
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To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 9:06 pm
Subject: [Fot] Test---


My attempts to get out a question keep coming back:  with the following:

            -Results

              Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts



            -Unprocessed"



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From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Feb  9 00:59:47 2011
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 07:59:47 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 TR6 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <F1528F3B-A7DF-4F44-BE2F-6F4213BB2595@aol.com>
References: <F1528F3B-A7DF-4F44-BE2F-6F4213BB2595@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinQDNnBmoT7D+Lg2LVMth5Taa_tFsYr8wKyVKV-@mail.gmail.com>

I have bought a set of similar springs [forget the brand, but a
competitor].  They are too narrow in diameter to fit the TR, so  had some
mouts machined to hold them [since they are shorter than stock there was
room for it.  Glad to pass along the e-machine shop file I created.  I got 4
made [for the front] as I had already rigged up something o the rear.  Cost
was about $200 -- but a group order of a larger quantity could significantly
lower the costs [I am willing to do that, place a group order, but am out of
the country till June, so delivery would be difficult].

After talking to a particularly fast TR6 guy [white TR6 #7 whom I sure most
of you know], I raised my spring weights to 800 pounds in the rear [8" tall
springs] and 600 in the front [6" tall, but the spacers add an inch top and
bottom.

As an alternative, Ted Schumaker [TSI Automotive] told me he could deiver TR
diameter springs in whatever length and poundage you want.

Chuck

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 9:17 PM, John Frymark <jfrymark at aol.com> wrote:

> In the recent Classic Motorsports comparison of Sam Halkias' and the Group
> 44 TR6, the latter is listed as having Eibach springs. Anyone able to shed
> light on this? Did Eibach make TR dimensioned springs in the period or is
> there a trick mod to adapt a current offering to fit? I am especially
> interested in the rears to have readily available and lower cost options
> than custom-mades
>
> John Frymark
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>


-- 
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley


From adcronin at mi.rr.com  Wed Feb  9 07:12:08 2011
From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 09:12:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Shim Packs
Message-ID: <AB931B98-A2C4-4CA8-A3E8-6D2A06D98B9E@mi.rr.com>

2/9
Will try re sending this after a failed attempt last evening.  Does anyone
have information on how many shims to start with in setting up the TR6 front
suspension?  Also, just what fraction of a degree of movement one shim results
in?
Thanks for any input you can provide.
Dan


From goodparts at verizon.net  Wed Feb  9 09:25:38 2011
From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 11:25:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Shim Packs
In-Reply-To: <AB931B98-A2C4-4CA8-A3E8-6D2A06D98B9E@mi.rr.com>
References: <AB931B98-A2C4-4CA8-A3E8-6D2A06D98B9E@mi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <DA3E7B9E061A4913A2C40EF199EEFCC9@AdminPC>

Dan,

I would not trust any general rule for number of shims.  For initial 
setting, sit the frame on jack stands and shim it till it is level.  Then 
with the spring out, position the suspension at your best guess of normal 
ride height.  You can calculate from frame to ground clearance or spindle to 
fender height or whatever reference you have.  Then shim the suspension to 
get the desired camber angle measured on the face of the hub.  Harbor 
freight sells a magnetic, digital angle gauge for $30 that works nicely.

I figured out the camber change per shim a while ago.  If I remember 
correctly both lower brackets had to move about 3/16" to change one degree. 
That is three shims on each bracket.  Or 4 on one and 2 on the other if you 
need to change castor.  So I guess you could say a total of 6 shims for one 
degree or 1/6 degree per shim.

Regards,
Richard Good
Good Parts

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 9:12 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Shim Packs


> 2/9
> Will try re sending this after a failed attempt last evening.  Does anyone
> have information on how many shims to start with in setting up the TR6 
> front
> suspension?  Also, just what fraction of a degree of movement one shim 
> results
> in?
> Thanks for any input you can provide.
> Dan
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Feb  9 09:32:50 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 16:32:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Shim Packs
In-Reply-To: <AB931B98-A2C4-4CA8-A3E8-6D2A06D98B9E@mi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1152870902.183053.1297269170078.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Dan,



On the TR4 I started out with max shim pack ( bolts max'd ) which gave me -3.4
degrees.

Before Topeka I took out two shims to get back .3 degrees leaving -3.1.

I'll probably go back to the -3.4 and just flip the tires every few weekends.

-3.4 front & -2.7 rear the car is neutral.



Jim g




----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2011 7:12:08 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Shim Packs

2/9
Will try re sending this after a failed attempt last evening. B Does anyone
have information on how many shims to start with in setting up the TR6 front
suspension? B Also, just what fraction of a degree of movement one shim
results
in?
Thanks for any input you can provide.
Dan
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Feb  9 14:03:12 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 15:03:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Shim Packs
In-Reply-To: <DA3E7B9E061A4913A2C40EF199EEFCC9@AdminPC>
References: <AB931B98-A2C4-4CA8-A3E8-6D2A06D98B9E@mi.rr.com>
	<DA3E7B9E061A4913A2C40EF199EEFCC9@AdminPC>
Message-ID: <4D530110.4050602@pobox.com>

I think the basic geometry is the same as for a TR3.  I was curious to 
see how well 3/16 agrees with the number in the little report I wrote -  
http://www.tildentechnologies.com/downloads/TRsuspension.PDF. The 
formula gives a 0.174 in/deg, which is very close to 3/16.  I was 
rereading that stuff I did back when I reworked the suspension on my 
TR3.  It's been so long I don't even understand what I wrote, so it's no 
wonder no one else does.  It does have accurate numbers for the geometry 
measurements though, so it could save time for anyone wanting to look at 
suspension mods.
Larry

On 2/9/2011 10:25 AM, Richard Good wrote:
> Dan,
>
> I would not trust any general rule for number of shims.  For initial 
> setting, sit the frame on jack stands and shim it till it is level.  
> Then with the spring out, position the suspension at your best guess 
> of normal ride height.  You can calculate from frame to ground 
> clearance or spindle to fender height or whatever reference you have.  
> Then shim the suspension to get the desired camber angle measured on 
> the face of the hub.  Harbor freight sells a magnetic, digital angle 
> gauge for $30 that works nicely.
>
> I figured out the camber change per shim a while ago.  If I remember 
> correctly both lower brackets had to move about 3/16" to change one 
> degree. That is three shims on each bracket.  Or 4 on one and 2 on the 
> other if you need to change castor.  So I guess you could say a total 
> of 6 shims for one degree or 1/6 degree per shim.
>
> Regards,
> Richard Good
> Good Parts
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Cronin" <adcronin at mi.rr.com>
> To: "FOT List" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 9:12 AM
> Subject: [Fot] TR6 Shim Packs
>
>
>> 2/9
>> Will try re sending this after a failed attempt last evening.  Does 
>> anyone
>> have information on how many shims to start with in setting up the 
>> TR6 front
>> suspension?  Also, just what fraction of a degree of movement one 
>> shim results
>> in?
>> Thanks for any input you can provide.
>> Dan
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Feb  9 21:25:20 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 21:25:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Test---
In-Reply-To: <137F7EA0-D281-43B1-A996-A15A46B4FB20@mi.rr.com>
References: <137F7EA0-D281-43B1-A996-A15A46B4FB20@mi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4D5368B0.7070400@bradakis.com>

Dan Cronin wrote:
> My attempts to get out a question keep coming back:  with the following:
> 			-Results
> 			  Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts
>
> 			-Unprocessed"
> 			
> Anyone have any hints?
>
>    

To what address are you sending these requests?

mjb.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Feb  9 21:53:15 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 23:53:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TOLY ARUTUNOFF  INJURED
Message-ID: <8CD96F58FAD8318-1D80-3DC7@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com>

 Tony Adamowicz reports that Toly  was injured helping a stranded motorist in
a snow storm resulting in the amputation of a leg.

Some of you may have seen Toly at the TOPEKA event as he joined us there last
August.

Joe A.


From ac at camoletti.ch  Thu Feb 10 04:57:17 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 12:57:17 +0100
Subject: [Fot] SU smaller floats
Message-ID: <003f01cbc919$aa6b1160$ff413420$@camoletti.ch>

Amici !

Did anyone try the trick of fitting the smaller float in the H6 fuel chamber
(float size 1.5''instead of the regular 1 7/8'' ) taken from the H1 and H2?

This trick increases the quantity of fuel in the chamber.

Let me know your thought or experience, as the case may be!

Thank you !

Cheers!

Alex


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Feb 10 05:25:42 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:25:42 +0100
Subject: [Fot] SU smaller floats
In-Reply-To: <003f01cbc919$aa6b1160$ff413420$@camoletti.ch>
References: <003f01cbc919$aa6b1160$ff413420$@camoletti.ch>
Message-ID: <001b01cbc91d$a36fd180$ea4f7480$@com>

Hi Alex,

wof|r sollte das gut sein?

Gr|_e
Chris

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Auftrag von Alexandre Camoletti
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011 12:57
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] SU smaller floats

Amici !

Did anyone try the trick of fitting the smaller float in the H6 fuel chamber
(float size 1.5''instead of the regular 1 7/8'' ) taken from the H1 and H2?

This trick increases the quantity of fuel in the chamber.

Let me know your thought or experience, as the case may be!

Thank you !

Cheers!

Alex
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Feb 10 05:39:29 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:39:29 +0100
Subject: [Fot] SU smaller floats
In-Reply-To: <004501cbc91f$308039b0$9180ad10$@camoletti.ch>
References: <003f01cbc919$aa6b1160$ff413420$@camoletti.ch>
	<001b01cbc91d$a36fd180$ea4f7480$@com>
	<004501cbc91f$308039b0$9180ad10$@camoletti.ch>
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A smaller float might not be strong enough to shut the needle valve?

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Alexandre Camoletti [mailto:ac at camoletti.ch]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011 13:37
An: 'MadMarx'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] SU smaller floats

Idea is to get more fuel available to the jet and no shortage of fuel supply
or leaner mixture as level is dropping in the chamber at full gas.
Kas at the time drilled the needle seat to a larger bore.
Now they make large .125'' bores (SU ref VZX1090)

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Alexandre Camoletti [mailto:ac at camoletti.ch]
Envoyi : jeudi 10 fivrier 2011 13:28
@ : 'MadMarx'
Objet : RE: [Fot] SU smaller floats

Dann gibt es mehr Volum fuer Benzin im Kammer.

-----Message d'origine-----
De : MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Envoyi : jeudi 10 fivrier
2011 13:26 @ : 'Alexandre Camoletti'; fot at autox.team.net Objet : AW: [Fot]
SU smaller floats

Hi Alex,

wof|r sollte das gut sein?

Gr|_e
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Alexandre Camoletti
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011 12:57
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] SU smaller floats

Amici !

Did anyone try the trick of fitting the smaller float in the H6 fuel chamber
(float size 1.5''instead of the regular 1 7/8'' ) taken from the H1 and H2?

This trick increases the quantity of fuel in the chamber.

Let me know your thought or experience, as the case may be!

Thank you !

Cheers!

Alex
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From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 10 05:56:45 2011
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 07:56:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TOLY ARUTUNOFF  INJURED
In-Reply-To: <8CD96F58FAD8318-1D80-3DC7@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD96F58FAD8318-1D80-3DC7@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <SNT136-w40B9D5045DC6813BA7AAAFF9EC0@phx.gbl>

>From an email I received. An excerpt from Karen Arutunoff's Facebook page:

Prayers=Miracles, God's way of saying I'm here and I love all my children as
if each was an only child. I have now spoken with the attending physician and
the good news is Toly is stable, talking. His right leg is gone and his left
is shattered. They have not attended to the left leg in light of the trauma of
the accident. They are keeping a close eye on him for any changes in intensive
care as it has only been a matter of hours since the accident and he has
multiple injuries. His blood pressure is good, pulse good, kidneys not good.
Seems he was parked on the side of I40 in Amarillo in the blizzard helping a
man whose car had spun out and was stuck. Another car came along and T-boned
an exposed Toly and drove off. Because of the cold the blood loss was not as
severe as it could have/should have been. The leg was instantly gone. The only
surgery that was performed was to close the wound. Amarillo is closed for
business due to the blizzard but a prayer team from a church in Texas is going
to the trauma center to be with him. Another Amarillo angel is going to Best
Buy and getting a cell phone so I can speak to him. He thinks I am his
girlfriend. Can't remember being married when questioned. I have chosen to be
flattered. This is long road we are on but I will get to Amarillo w Trace as
soon as the weather allows. God has already gotten us this far. I know he will
take us the rest of the way. Bless you all. Your prayers produce miracles.
Please don't stop!

Sam Halkias



> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 23:53:15 -0500
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> Subject: [Fot] TOLY ARUTUNOFF INJURED
>
> Tony Adamowicz reports that Toly was injured helping a stranded motorist in
> a snow storm resulting in the amputation of a leg.
>
> Some of you may have seen Toly at the TOPEKA event as he joined us there
last
> August.
>
> Joe A.
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Feb 10 09:17:50 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:17:50 EST
Subject: [Fot] TOLY ARUTUNOFF  INJURED
Message-ID: <200e1e.33903ccd.3a8569ae@aol.com>

In a message dated 02/09/2011 11:08:34 PM Central Standard Time, 
n197tr4 at cs.com writes:


> Tony Adamowicz reports that Toly  was injured helping a stranded motorist 
> in
> a snow storm resulting in the amputation of a leg.
> 
> Some of you may have seen Toly at the TOPEKA event as he joined us there 
> last
> August.
> 

Amici...

How very, very sad.  Toly was one of the great 'characters' from the Golden 
Age of sports car racing, and among many other things...built and owned 
Hallet.  How sad that now he must deal with these tragic circumstances.  Anyone 
who doesn't know of Toly, but wants to should seek a great 
(autobiographical) book available entitled ONE OFF The Roads, The Races, The Automobiles of 
Toly Arutunoff.  A very FUN read.

Bill Dentinger


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Feb 10 09:40:20 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:40:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TOLY ARUTUNOFF  INJURED
In-Reply-To: <200e1e.33903ccd.3a8569ae@aol.com>
References: <200e1e.33903ccd.3a8569ae@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CD975856F84F94-1C24-4CB@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com>

 Toly's book is on AMAZON at $29.00 including shipping....mine's on the way.

A nice addition to my little library.

btw,  contact Kas for your personalized copy of his new book....this makes
good reading, especially when it is -11 degrees in the unheated garage.
kaskastner.com








-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thu, Feb 10, 2011 10:17 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] TOLY ARUTUNOFF  INJURED


In a message dated 02/09/2011 11:08:34 PM Central Standard Time,
n197tr4 at cs.com writes:



Tony Adamowicz reports that Toly  was injured helping a stranded motorist in
a snow storm resulting in the amputation of a leg.

Some of you may have seen Toly at the TOPEKA event as he joined us there last
August.



Amici...

How very, very sad.  Toly was one of the great 'characters' from the Golden
Age of sports car racing, and among many other things...built and owned
Hallet.  How sad that now he must deal with these tragic circumstances.
Anyone who doesn't know of Toly, but wants to should seek a great
(autobiographical) book available entitled ONE OFF The Roads, The Races, The
Automobiles of Toly Arutunoff.  A very FUN read.

Bill Dentinger


From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Thu Feb 10 14:34:26 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:34:26 +1000
Subject: [Fot] contact for Gareth Thomas
Message-ID: <AANLkTikr6SviJtKMPsES=b8UxDEYVRFVSLaZ-xkoHunR@mail.gmail.com>

does anyone have a email contact for gareth thomas. he wrote a book years
ago about triumph tuning. last heard of in russia. apparently still
"lurking" around triumphs via  few forums
thanks, Terry


From jsclark at live.ca  Thu Feb 10 15:00:45 2011
From: jsclark at live.ca (Jeff Clark)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:00:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rimmer Bros.
Message-ID: <BLU158-w56594ABCD9DE88679A105AEEC0@phx.gbl>

Has anyone had any experience - good or bad- in ordering parts from Rimmer
Bros. in the U.K. I am shipping to Canada.
Jeff Clark


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Feb 10 15:26:32 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:26:32 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Rimmer Bros.
In-Reply-To: <BLU158-w56594ABCD9DE88679A105AEEC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU158-w56594ABCD9DE88679A105AEEC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001601cbc971$92df5b70$b89e1250$@com>

I heard nothing bad from them.
Lots of Germans order by Rimmer.

Cheers
Chris

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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011 23:01
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Rimmer Bros.

Has anyone had any experience - good or bad- in ordering parts from Rimmer
Bros. in the U.K. I am shipping to Canada.
Jeff Clark
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From RustyTR4 at aol.com  Thu Feb 10 15:29:07 2011
From: RustyTR4 at aol.com (RustyTR4 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:29:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Rimmer Bros.
Message-ID: <69f69.56784c90.3a85c0b3@aol.com>

Jeff, We have ordered a lot from Rimmer over the years and it has always  
worked out well.
 
Matt..
 
Triumph  Rescue
617 Walnut St.
Bally, Pa. 19503
610-845-8217
_www.triumphrescue.com_ (http://www.triumphrescue.com/) 

British  Wiring
617 Walnut St.
P.O. Box 185
Bally, Pa. 19503
_www.BritishWiring.com_ (http://www.britishwiring.com/)  


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 10 15:32:12 2011
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 22:32:12 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Rimmer Bros.
In-Reply-To: <BLU158-w56594ABCD9DE88679A105AEEC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU158-w56594ABCD9DE88679A105AEEC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <mailman.22.1638251567.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

I have been waiting for a Herald catalog for over a month. They say it lists more parts than the online catalog. 

I emailed after a few weeks had gone by and they said they would put another one in the post right away. Then I got a letter asking if I enjoyed the new catalog. Still no catalog. Can't comment on parts I haven't been able to buy, but not impressed so far. 

Ty 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
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Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:00:45 
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Rimmer Bros.

Has anyone had any experience - good or bad- in ordering parts from Rimmer
Bros. in the U.K. I am shipping to Canada.
Jeff Clark
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From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Thu Feb 10 15:49:08 2011
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (markconsultation at twcny.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 22:49:08 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Rescue to the Rescue
Message-ID: <20110210224908.7CJKB.100949.root@hrndva-web20-z01>

Occasionally but not so frequently these daze, a vendor really goes out of his way to help a customer. Yesterday I was a participant in just such an event. Last winter I rebuilt the motor for my dads old vintage racer from a block I purchased from Matt at Tr Rescue. It did have a head-bolt repair but it looked good to Matt, my machinist and myself so it ended up in my TR3...

Well, this summer I got oil in the water and long story mercifully short, the repair pulled and cracked the block. I called Matt hoping to get a comp on another block and perhaps some help on parts. At best I hoped for a grease ball with a block of unknown condition somewhere in the center and maybe a little shaved off on parts. What I picked up yesterday was an inspected block just returned from the machine shop with new cam bearings and a Payne headgasket. Total Charge: Nada, nothing, $0, complementary, special deal just for you today...

I was blown away - this was not his fault, I just hoped for some help that wouldn't cost him personally. 

Triumph Rescue
617 Walnut St.
P.O Box 185
Bally PA 19503
United States of America

610 845 8217

Tell Matt Mark from Ithaca sent you...

Really, vendors like this need our support...

Best,

Mark


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Feb 10 16:16:42 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:16:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Rescue to the Rescue
In-Reply-To: <20110210224908.7CJKB.100949.root@hrndva-web20-z01>
References: <20110210224908.7CJKB.100949.root@hrndva-web20-z01>
Message-ID: <8CD978FB661DC52-DB4-13F4@webmail-d057.sysops.aol.com>

 YES!   It is the TRIUMPH RESCUE organization that made it possible for A.R.E.
to have a chance to build an AMBRO.

Forever in their debt........Joe A




 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Rescue to the Rescue


Occasionally but not so frequently these daze, a vendor really goes out of his

way to help a customer. Yesterday I was a participant in just such an event.

Last winter I rebuilt the motor for my dads old vintage racer from a block I

purchased from Matt at Tr Rescue. It did have a head-bolt repair but it looked

good to Matt, my machinist and myself so it ended up in my TR3...



Well, this summer I got oil in the water and long story mercifully short, the

repair pulled and cracked the block. I called Matt hoping to get a comp on

another block and perhaps some help on parts. At best I hoped for a grease
ball

with a block of unknown condition somewhere in the center and maybe a little

shaved off on parts. What I picked up yesterday was an inspected block just

returned from the machine shop with new cam bearings and a Payne headgasket.

Total Charge: Nada, nothing, $0, complementary, special deal just for you

today...



I was blown away - this was not his fault, I just hoped for some help that

wouldn't cost him personally.



Triumph Rescue

617 Walnut St.

P.O Box 185

Bally PA 19503

United States of America



610 845 8217



Tell Matt Mark from Ithaca sent you...



Really, vendors like this need our support...



Best,



Mark

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From gaf3 at charter.net  Thu Feb 10 17:08:48 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 19:08:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rimmer Bros.
In-Reply-To: <BLU158-w56594ABCD9DE88679A105AEEC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU158-w56594ABCD9DE88679A105AEEC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4D547E10.7030106@charter.net>

No problem, Very Helpful, especially with hard to find parts.
Good communication through email.
Shipping hurts a little.
Glenn Franco
On 2/10/2011 5:00 PM, Jeff Clark wrote:
> Has anyone had any experience - good or bad- in ordering parts from Rimmer
> Bros. in the U.K. I am shipping to Canada.
> Jeff Clark


From sgroh1 at comcast.net  Thu Feb 10 21:30:24 2011
From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:30:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Rescue to the Rescue
References: <20110210224908.7CJKB.100949.root@hrndva-web20-z01>
	<8CD978FB661DC52-DB4-13F4@webmail-d057.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <75A597CD64DF4110A8C51DD8ACF5BC25@steven2sbouwlk>

They've done me right, too!  Great folks, excellent work!
Steve Groh

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <markconsultation at twcny.rr.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Rescue to the Rescue


> YES!   It is the TRIUMPH RESCUE organization that made it possible for 
> A.R.E.
> to have a chance to build an AMBRO.
>
> Forever in their debt........Joe A
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------
> Subject: [Fot] Triumph Rescue to the Rescue
>
>
> Occasionally but not so frequently these daze, a vendor really goes out of 
> his
>
> way to help a customer. Yesterday I was a participant in just such an 
> event.
>
> Last winter I rebuilt the motor for my dads old vintage racer from a block 
> I
>
> purchased from Matt at Tr Rescue. It did have a head-bolt repair but it 
> looked
>
> good to Matt, my machinist and myself so it ended up in my TR3...
>
>
>
> Well, this summer I got oil in the water and long story mercifully short, 
> the
>
> repair pulled and cracked the block. I called Matt hoping to get a comp on
>
> another block and perhaps some help on parts. At best I hoped for a grease
> ball
>
> with a block of unknown condition somewhere in the center and maybe a 
> little
>
> shaved off on parts. What I picked up yesterday was an inspected block 
> just
>
> returned from the machine shop with new cam bearings and a Payne 
> headgasket.
>
> Total Charge: Nada, nothing, $0, complementary, special deal just for you
>
> today...
>
>
>
> I was blown away - this was not his fault, I just hoped for some help that
>
> wouldn't cost him personally.
>
>
>
> Triumph Rescue
>
> 617 Walnut St.
>
> P.O Box 185
>
> Bally PA 19503
>
> United States of America
>
>
>
> 610 845 8217
>
>
>
> Tell Matt Mark from Ithaca sent you...
>
>
>
> Really, vendors like this need our support...
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Mark
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> fot at autox.team.net
>
>
>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Feb 11 07:50:38 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:50:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FATHER/SON   HUSBAND/WIFE     ETC.  COMBINATIONS AT LAGUNA
Message-ID: <8CD98122E69C94F-11CC-10BF8@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com>

 Laguna has the potential for two run groups for us.

FOT Group     HMSA Group

I'd like to pursue the option:

Second Driver/Same Car

Before I do this, it would be useful to know how many entrants might be
affected by this option.

We have a number of father/son combinations and at least one husband/wife.

(VARAC is one club that makes this option available at a nominal cost for
family and crew members.)

 This would make the long tows an easier justification for some of us,
especially at the initial entry cost. Perhaps it may even make the difference
in entering at all.

Speak up before I pursue this option.

Thanks,

Joe


From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri Feb 11 11:16:10 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:16:10 EST
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <b584b.2fc7ef0b.3a86d6ea@aol.com>

Amici...

I wish to nominate Mike Ryan for membership on the FOT list.  Mike is a 
long time racer with a ton of Midwestern seat time mostly in a Porsche 911.  He 
has recently acquired a Doretti, and is in the process of restoring the 
car.  He wants to maintain the original exterior, but upgrade the TR2 
drivetrain (cam, head, carbs, etc.).  He is interested in getting advise, counsel, 
and direction from the FOT.

Name:       Mike Ryan
Location:  Chicago area
email:       penraine at sbcglobal.net

The DORETTI is a very special sports car with ties to TRIUMPH.  May I 
please get a SECOND?

Bill Dentinger 


From tr6nut at verizon.net  Fri Feb 11 11:45:56 2011
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:45:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <b584b.2fc7ef0b.3a86d6ea@aol.com>
References: <b584b.2fc7ef0b.3a86d6ea@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D5583E4.3050007@verizon.net>

Despite the Porsche, I'll gladly second.

Hugh Barber
'73 TR6
Stafford, VA

On 2/11/2011 01:16, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
> Amici...
>
> I wish to nominate Mike Ryan for membership on the FOT list.  Mike is a
> long time racer with a ton of Midwestern seat time mostly in a Porsche 911.  He
> has recently acquired a Doretti, and is in the process of restoring the
> car.  He wants to maintain the original exterior, but upgrade the TR2
> drivetrain (cam, head, carbs, etc.).  He is interested in getting advise, counsel,
> and direction from the FOT.
>
> Name:       Mike Ryan
> Location:  Chicago area
> email:       penraine at sbcglobal.net
>
> The DORETTI is a very special sports car with ties to TRIUMPH.  May I
> please get a SECOND?
>
> Bill Dentinger


From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Feb 11 11:51:17 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 10:51:17 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  (no subject)
Message-ID: <FFFF495A979445B4930242E8337AF5A1@Bud>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: <BillDentin at aol.com>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)


>I second the nomination....there's terrific history behind the Dorretti 
>Swallow....I believe the car was designed in honor of his daughter, 
>Dorothy....A friend had one with a Buick Nailhead...sold it to a friend of 
>his in San Luis Obispo area a couple of years ago.
> Racer Bud
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Cc: <penraine at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:16 AM
> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
>
>
>> Amici...
>>
>> I wish to nominate Mike Ryan for membership on the FOT list.  Mike is a
>> long time racer with a ton of Midwestern seat time mostly in a Porsche 
>> 911.  He
>> has recently acquired a Doretti, and is in the process of restoring the
>> car.  He wants to maintain the original exterior, but upgrade the TR2
>> drivetrain (cam, head, carbs, etc.).  He is interested in getting advise, 
>> counsel,
>> and direction from the FOT.
>>
>> Name:       Mike Ryan
>> Location:  Chicago area
>> email:       penraine at sbcglobal.net
>>
>> The DORETTI is a very special sports car with ties to TRIUMPH.  May I
>> please get a SECOND?
>>
>> Bill Dentinger
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri Feb 11 12:11:20 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:11:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <FFFF495A979445B4930242E8337AF5A1@Bud>
Message-ID: <317610176.295766.1297451480199.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Speaking of seconds, whatever happened to our land speed record TR-7 guy.

I'd like to hear more about that project.



jim g




----- Original Message -----
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:51:17 AM
Subject: [Fot] Fw: B (no subject)

----- Original Message -----
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: <BillDentin at aol.com>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)


>I second the nomination....there's terrific history behind the Dorretti
>Swallow....I believe the car was designed in honor of his daughter,
>Dorothy....A friend had one with a Buick Nailhead...sold it to a friend of
>his in San Luis Obispo area a couple of years ago.
> Racer Bud
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Cc: <penraine at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:16 AM
> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
>
>
>> Amici...
>>
>> I wish to nominate Mike Ryan for membership on the FOT list. B Mike is a
>> long time racer with a ton of Midwestern seat time mostly in a Porsche
>> 911. B He
>> has recently acquired a Doretti, and is in the process of restoring the
>> car. B He wants to maintain the original exterior, but upgrade the TR2
>> drivetrain (cam, head, carbs, etc.). B He is interested in getting advise,
>> counsel,
>> and direction from the FOT.
>>
>> Name: B  B  B  Mike Ryan
>> Location: B Chicago area
>> email: B  B  B  penraine at sbcglobal.net
>>
>> The DORETTI is a very special sports car with ties to TRIUMPH. B May I
>> please get a SECOND?
>>
>> Bill Dentinger
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From koblinger at verizon.net  Fri Feb 11 12:32:28 2011
From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:32:28 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  (no subject)
Message-ID: <1450440667.1597257.1297452748962.JavaMail.root@vznit170080>

/IszMmr: Permission denied


From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Feb 11 12:45:42 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:45:42 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR7  LAND SPEED RECORD
Message-ID: <DE3D096BEDBA43809F5D4D6C91E09036@Bud>

Here's the link to Flashback Racing and the TR-7
Racer Bud


http://flashbackracing.com/2010/12/flashback-racing%E2%80%99s-september-assau
lt-on-maxton-yields-one-land-speed-record-3/


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Feb 11 14:02:47 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:02:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7  LAND SPEED RECORD
In-Reply-To: <DE3D096BEDBA43809F5D4D6C91E09036@Bud>
Message-ID: <60899.71265.qm@smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I have emailed Craig and he is getting the posts, perhaps he will add a bit
to the excellent write up on the website.

Paul



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of RACER BUD
Sent: February 11, 2011 2:46 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] TR7 LAND SPEED RECORD

Here's the link to Flashback Racing and the TR-7 Racer Bud


http://flashbackracing.com/2010/12/flashback-racing%E2%80%99s-september-assa
u
lt-on-maxton-yields-one-land-speed-record-3/
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Fri Feb 11 14:14:25 2011
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:14:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7  LAND SPEED RECORD
In-Reply-To: <DE3D096BEDBA43809F5D4D6C91E09036@Bud>
References: <DE3D096BEDBA43809F5D4D6C91E09036@Bud>
Message-ID: <5a4d35169b859e17aaa2bfc22193aafe.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

Wow, that guy's place is less than a mile from
where I used to live.  Small world...

John

On Fri, February 11, 2011 2:45 pm, RACER BUD wrote:
> Here's the link to Flashback Racing and the TR-7
> Racer Bud
>
>
> http://flashbackracing.com/2010/12/flashback-racing%E2%80%99s-september-assau
> lt-on-maxton-yields-one-land-speed-record-3/
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From jason at multivintage.com  Fri Feb 11 15:02:17 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:02:17 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
Message-ID: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com>

Friends,
Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA-1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing


From koblinger at verizon.net  Fri Feb 11 16:18:34 2011
From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:18:34 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
Message-ID: <705157485.1611955.1297466314925.JavaMail.root@vznit170080>



From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Feb 11 17:08:39 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:08:39 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CE4737F03EAA4C279A3FC58CCDEDA850@Bud>

I have 2 of the same 1967 mirrors...mint in the box but in black that I 
picked up at a yard sale a couple of years ago...I didn't know they were 
valuable..
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Ostrowski" <jason at multivintage.com>
To: "triumph friends" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 2:02 PM
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay


> Friends,
> Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
> Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA-1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Fri Feb 11 19:52:02 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:52:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <b584b.2fc7ef0b.3a86d6ea@aol.com>
Message-ID: <676666.48505.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Bill & Mike: If you haven't already, you need to get a hold of Tom Householder
(T.R. Householder) Tom was one of the founders of TRA and is currently taken
on the task of finding and keeping track of all the Doretti's. I am copying
him on this email but I'm not sure if this is a current email address. I
believe he may also be lurking on the list. It has been a year or two since
we've corresponded.
You are correct in stating that it is a important car, becuse of it's
pedigere, how it came about, and it's low production numbers.
Please keep us informed on it's progress
Thanks - Ed  

--- On Fri, 2/11/11, BillDentin at aol.com <BillDentin at aol.com> wrote:


From: BillDentin at aol.com <BillDentin at aol.com>
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: penraine at sbcglobal.net
Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 12:16 PM


Amici...

I wish to nominate Mike Ryan for membership on the FOT list.  Mike is a
long time racer with a ton of Midwestern seat time mostly in a Porsche 911. 
He
has recently acquired a Doretti, and is in the process of restoring the
car.  He wants to maintain the original exterior, but upgrade the TR2
drivetrain (cam, head, carbs, etc.).  He is interested in getting advise,
counsel,
and direction from the FOT.

Name:       Mike Ryan
Location:  Chicago area
email:       penraine at sbcglobal.net

The DORETTI is a very special sports car with ties to TRIUMPH.  May I
please get a SECOND?

Bill Dentinger
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Feb 11 21:11:19 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:11:19 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.c om>
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110212041127.ADA28187670@autox.team.net>

Red would be cool in the Red Rocket, but I'm not sure I want to go 
$150 for that...  Great find!

- Tony

At 04:02 PM 2/11/2011, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
>Friends,
>Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
>Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA-1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
>Jason Ostrowski
>Friendly Ghost Racing


From jason at multivintage.com  Fri Feb 11 21:43:59 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:43:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
In-Reply-To: <4d56086d.086d2a0a.5577.2d35SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com>
	<4d56086d.086d2a0a.5577.2d35SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=+i1MsuT776M8JYRp60ibuekGZLnXVYv-+n8NM@mail.gmail.com>

I maybe would have bought it already myself if it wasn't 1/6 the entry fee
for the cup... saving every penny to race a Triumph at Laguna Seca. and
towing all the stuff it takes keep my Gt6 running.... 2300 miles in hot June
over big mountains. I like the mirror too but I might need the money for
other things.
ALSO. AS THE ITALIAN GUY SAYS  in, my favorite movie of all time "The
Gumball Rally", (as he yanks the rear view mirror from the windshield and
tosses it),  "WHAT'S BEHIND ME IS NOT IMPORTANT!"
Jason, FGR.
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> Red would be cool in the Red Rocket, but I'm not sure I want to go $150 for
> that...  Great find!
>
> - Tony


From malaboge at aol.com  Fri Feb 11 23:55:15 2011
From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 01:55:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CD9898EFF02632-1908-4A26@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>

HOW MUCH????
twenty two seconds with google took me
here...http://www.buycheapr.com/us/result.jsp?ga=us12&q=wink+mirror

for $199 you can buy a dozen of em...or $18.95 each!  and I think I prolly
have a spray can-o-red here in the shop as well.


A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse...

Nick in NorCal



-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
To: triumph friends <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:02 pm
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay


Friends,
Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA-
1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5f
CarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
_______________________________________________


From oldspeed72 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 12 13:24:15 2011
From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com (Mark Vanlake)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 12:24:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 for Sale
Message-ID: <510679.97183.qm@web111009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Just posted my recently completed Vintage Racer (TR6) notice the FOT stickers on 
car. Contact me if anyone is interested. 


Mark

http://www.racingjunk.com/category/85/Other/post/2127830/Vintage-Racer-TR6.html


From horizonracing at msn.com  Sun Feb 13 15:28:29 2011
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:28:29 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Caliper mounts-Alloy
Message-ID: <SNT141-w54B2A0014B2C3D68A0AA89B2D10@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

I have a couple  sets of Alloy Brake caliper mounts for TR3/4 for sale.
$140.00 includes postage (usa). These are new.
These same parts have been on the Famous "peyote" for the past year. Race
Proven !!

Pls contact of list if interested

Thx
Tony Garmey


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Feb 13 15:39:35 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:39:35 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
In-Reply-To: <8CD9898EFF02632-1908-4A26@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CD9898EFF02632-1908-4A26@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001cbcbce$e6f4b750$b4de25f0$@com>

This is price is quite reasonable.
But for my opinion these type mirrors look not very nice to me.
I have a small panorama mirror for $3, simple mounted to my little wind
shield.

Too much information about the rear might get me nervous. :-)

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von malaboge at aol.com
Gesendet: Samstag, 12. Februar 2011 07:55
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay

HOW MUCH????
twenty two seconds with google took me
here...http://www.buycheapr.com/us/result.jsp?ga=us12&q=wink+mirror

for $199 you can buy a dozen of em...or $18.95 each!  and I think I prolly
have a spray can-o-red here in the shop as well.


A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse...

Nick in NorCal



-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
To: triumph friends <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:02 pm
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay


Friends,
Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA
-
1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5
f
CarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Sun Feb 13 19:51:03 2011
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:51:03 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com><8CD9898EFF02632-1908-4A26@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
	<000001cbcbce$e6f4b750$b4de25f0$@com>
Message-ID: <4D6177671252444E80BF8CFCDEC220AC@Pendys>

Hey chris, fold the mirrors in and crank-up the radio and you won't care who 
is back there, .........mark p
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay


> This is price is quite reasonable.
> But for my opinion these type mirrors look not very nice to me.
> I have a small panorama mirror for $3, simple mounted to my little wind
> shield.
>
> Too much information about the rear might get me nervous. :-)
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von malaboge at aol.com
> Gesendet: Samstag, 12. Februar 2011 07:55
> An: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>
> HOW MUCH????
> twenty two seconds with google took me
> here...http://www.buycheapr.com/us/result.jsp?ga=us12&q=wink+mirror
>
> for $199 you can buy a dozen of em...or $18.95 each!  and I think I prolly
> have a spray can-o-red here in the shop as well.
>
>
> A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse...
>
> Nick in NorCal
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
> To: triumph friends <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:02 pm
> Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>
>
> Friends,
> Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
> Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA
> -
> 1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5
> f
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> Jason Ostrowski
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Feb 13 19:59:06 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:59:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com><8CD9898EFF02632-1908-4A26@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com><000001cbcbce$e6f4b750$b4de25f0$@com>
	<4D6177671252444E80BF8CFCDEC220AC@Pendys>
Message-ID: <C7A654E3EA69444CA61EE7091292265F@Bud>

I love it.!..or...Do an AUGIE PABST ROUTINE....Catch the eye of the guy 
behind you on the grid....RIP YOUR MIRROR OFF  THE DASH ...and..THROW IT ON 
THE PASSENGER SIDE FLOOR!!...RB....
P.S.....We need to get standing starts in vintage racing!...RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>
To: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay


> Hey chris, fold the mirrors in and crank-up the radio and you won't care 
> who is back there, .........mark p
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>
>
>> This is price is quite reasonable.
>> But for my opinion these type mirrors look not very nice to me.
>> I have a small panorama mirror for $3, simple mounted to my little wind
>> shield.
>>
>> Too much information about the rear might get me nervous. :-)
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>> Auftrag von malaboge at aol.com
>> Gesendet: Samstag, 12. Februar 2011 07:55
>> An: fot at autox.team.net
>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>
>> HOW MUCH????
>> twenty two seconds with google took me
>> here...http://www.buycheapr.com/us/result.jsp?ga=us12&q=wink+mirror
>>
>> for $199 you can buy a dozen of em...or $18.95 each!  and I think I 
>> prolly
>> have a spray can-o-red here in the shop as well.
>>
>>
>> A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse...
>>
>> Nick in NorCal
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
>> To: triumph friends <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:02 pm
>> Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>
>>
>> Friends,
>> Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
>> Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA
>> -
>> 1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5
>> f
>> CarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
>> Jason Ostrowski
>> Friendly Ghost Racing
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Feb 13 20:15:52 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:15:52 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com><8CD9898EFF02632-1908-4A26@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com><000001cbcbce$e6f4b750$b4de25f0$@com><4D6177671252444E80BF8CFCDEC220AC@Pendys>
	<C7A654E3EA69444CA61EE7091292265F@Bud>
Message-ID: <79AAF380CF4B420790BF73A39FD58CEB@Bud>

Come to think of it...You guys in Europe have some standing 
starts?..Correct?...RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay


>I love it.!..or...Do an AUGIE PABST ROUTINE....Catch the eye of the guy 
>behind you on the grid....RIP YOUR MIRROR OFF  THE DASH ...and..THROW IT ON 
>THE PASSENGER SIDE FLOOR!!...RB....
> P.S.....We need to get standing starts in vintage racing!...RB
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>
> To: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>
>
>> Hey chris, fold the mirrors in and crank-up the radio and you won't care 
>> who is back there, .........mark p
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
>> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>
>>
>>> This is price is quite reasonable.
>>> But for my opinion these type mirrors look not very nice to me.
>>> I have a small panorama mirror for $3, simple mounted to my little wind
>>> shield.
>>>
>>> Too much information about the rear might get me nervous. :-)
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>>> Auftrag von malaboge at aol.com
>>> Gesendet: Samstag, 12. Februar 2011 07:55
>>> An: fot at autox.team.net
>>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>>
>>> HOW MUCH????
>>> twenty two seconds with google took me
>>> here...http://www.buycheapr.com/us/result.jsp?ga=us12&q=wink+mirror
>>>
>>> for $199 you can buy a dozen of em...or $18.95 each!  and I think I 
>>> prolly
>>> have a spray can-o-red here in the shop as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse...
>>>
>>> Nick in NorCal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
>>> To: triumph friends <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:02 pm
>>> Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>>
>>>
>>> Friends,
>>> Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
>>> Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA
>>> -
>>> 1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5
>>> f
>>> CarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
>>> Jason Ostrowski
>>> Friendly Ghost Racing
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>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Feb 13 20:44:32 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:44:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Sam Clark
Message-ID: <4D58A520.4080801@pobox.com>

I would like to nominate Sam Clark to the FoT list.  I'm sure many of 
you know Sam.  He and his wife, Carol, were the instigators for the 
formation of our local Green Country Triumphs many years ago.  He has 
always been interested in racing and the performance side of Triumphs. 
He was a greater supporter of my racing effort. I'll let Sam fill you in 
with more details.  I think he would be a good addition to our group. 
Do I have a second?
Larry


From herald948 at aol.com  Sun Feb 13 21:13:45 2011
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:13:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Sam Clark
In-Reply-To: <4D58A520.4080801@pobox.com>
References: <4D58A520.4080801@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <8CD9A14B4E0BE5E-1F30-784B@webmail-m092.sysops.aol.com>

 A hearty second! Welcome to FoT, Sam!



--Andy Mace

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*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>


I would like to nominate Sam Clark to the FoT list.


From susank at 141.com  Mon Feb 14 03:52:01 2011
From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 05:52:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Sam Clark
In-Reply-To: <4D58A520.4080801@pobox.com>
References: <4D58A520.4080801@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <4D590951.3070207@141.com>

Oh, absolutely! I didn't realize he wasn't on here. Welcome Sam!     :D

Keep Triumphing,
Susan    :)


On 2/13/2011 10:44 PM, Larry Young wrote:
> I would like to nominate Sam Clark to the FoT list.  I'm sure many of 
> you know Sam.  He and his wife, Carol, were the instigators for the 
> formation of our local Green Country Triumphs many years ago.  He has 
> always been interested in racing and the performance side of Triumphs. 
> He was a greater supporter of my racing effort. I'll let Sam fill you 
> in with more details.  I think he would be a good addition to our 
> group. Do I have a second?
> Larry
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Feb 14 00:16:19 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 08:16:19 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
In-Reply-To: <79AAF380CF4B420790BF73A39FD58CEB@Bud>
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com><8CD9898EFF02632-1908-4A26@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com><000001cbcbce$e6f4b750$b4de25f0$@com><4D6177671252444E80BF8CFCDEC220AC@Pendys>
	<C7A654E3EA69444CA61EE7091292265F@Bud>
	<79AAF380CF4B420790BF73A39FD58CEB@Bud>
Message-ID: <000601cbcc17$16218240$426486c0$@com>

Yes, on most tracks we have standing starts, and they have a lot more
suspense than the Indy version.
Nothing is more exciting than feeling the noise and power of the whole grid
when the 5 second marker is shown up. And then all drivers have clutch
engagement at the same time moving some tons of steel forward.
Great feeling. Difficult for inexperienced drivers.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net]
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Februar 2011 04:16
An: RACER BUD; Mark Pendergrass
Cc: fot at autox.team.net; MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay

Come to think of it...You guys in Europe have some standing
starts?..Correct?...RB
----- Original Message -----
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay


>I love it.!..or...Do an AUGIE PABST ROUTINE....Catch the eye of the guy
>behind you on the grid....RIP YOUR MIRROR OFF  THE DASH ...and..THROW IT ON

>THE PASSENGER SIDE FLOOR!!...RB....
> P.S.....We need to get standing starts in vintage racing!...RB
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>
> To: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>
>
>> Hey chris, fold the mirrors in and crank-up the radio and you won't care
>> who is back there, .........mark p
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
>> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>
>>
>>> This is price is quite reasonable.
>>> But for my opinion these type mirrors look not very nice to me.
>>> I have a small panorama mirror for $3, simple mounted to my little wind
>>> shield.
>>>
>>> Too much information about the rear might get me nervous. :-)
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>>> Auftrag von malaboge at aol.com
>>> Gesendet: Samstag, 12. Februar 2011 07:55
>>> An: fot at autox.team.net
>>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>>
>>> HOW MUCH????
>>> twenty two seconds with google took me
>>> here...http://www.buycheapr.com/us/result.jsp?ga=us12&q=wink+mirror
>>>
>>> for $199 you can buy a dozen of em...or $18.95 each!  and I think I
>>> prolly
>>> have a spray can-o-red here in the shop as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse...
>>>
>>> Nick in NorCal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
>>> To: triumph friends <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:02 pm
>>> Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>>
>>>
>>> Friends,
>>> Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
>>> Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
>>>
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>>> -
>>>
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>>> f
>>> CarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Feb 14 21:49:37 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:49:37 -0800
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
Message-ID: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>

When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing starts...It was
Wonderful!..
Racer Bud


From andre at gt6.ca  Tue Feb 15 04:34:14 2011
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 06:34:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
References: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim-5U1zuq-MKQuiTgjH-ahFBT5uAznL7LPL8YUK@mail.gmail.com>

Why not take it a step further.

Lemans starts.

Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)

I'd be game for that kind of fun.

A.

On 14 February 2011 23:49, RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
> When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing starts...It was
> Wonderful!..
> Racer Bud
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Feb 15 06:19:21 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:19:21 +0100
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim-5U1zuq-MKQuiTgjH-ahFBT5uAznL7LPL8YUK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
	<AANLkTim-5U1zuq-MKQuiTgjH-ahFBT5uAznL7LPL8YUK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002001cbcd12$f6e77360$e4b65a20$@com>

Ha ha! That would be funny to watch.
Like lots of girls knitting a scarf, the racers would sit in their cars and
getting the harnesses, arm restraints, and gears on before any engine will
shout up.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Februar 2011 12:34
An: RACER BUD
Cc: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] standing starts

Why not take it a step further.

Lemans starts.

Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)

I'd be game for that kind of fun.

A.

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> When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing starts...It was
> Wonderful!..
> Racer Bud
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Feb 15 07:56:35 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:56:35 EST
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
Message-ID: <7a60.15726d31.3a8bee23@aol.com>

In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time, 
andre at gt6.ca writes:


> Why not take it a step further.
> 
> Lemans starts.
> 
> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
> 

The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were 
exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.  

Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse power 
and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with LeMan 
or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.  
Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer term 
'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.

Bill Dentinger    


From billb at bnj.com  Tue Feb 15 08:17:20 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 05:17:20 -1000
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <7a60.15726d31.3a8bee23@aol.com>
References: <7a60.15726d31.3a8bee23@aol.com>
Message-ID: <88DC4D77-D6CD-4218-8D04-0144EB854272@bnj.com>

SOVREN does them for certain special events, like enduros or "Lollipop" or
other handicap races. For the Le Mans start the driver is already in the car,
belted in and set to go, while a pit crew member does the running. Kind of
fun, but just a sideshow.

On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:56 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time,
> andre at gt6.ca writes:
>
>
>> Why not take it a step further.
>>
>> Lemans starts.
>>
>> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
>>
>
> The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were
> exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.
>
> Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse power
> and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with LeMan
> or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.
> Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer term
> 'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Tue Feb 15 08:54:50 2011
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:54:50 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
References: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
Message-ID: <e677fbefbfa1.4d5aa1ca@optonline.net>

Every year I do a 2 hour Enduro at Pocono with EMRA.  This is really a crowd pleaser because we do a modified LeMans start.   Drivers sit in the cars with the engines running.  The cars are backed with the right rear corner of the car to the Pocono front straight wall.  A Team member, at the drop of a flag, runs across pit lane and smacks the rear of the car.  At that time, tires start squealing, engines are racing and its organized chaos!  High powered Corvettes and Camaros dodging the Alfas, Triumphs and Mazdas. Its great!  I look forward to it every year.
 
My two cents
 
Todd Redmond


----- Original Message -----
From: RACER BUD 
Date: Monday, February 14, 2011 11:50 pm
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
To: MadMarx , fot at autox.team.net

> When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing 
> starts...It was
> Wonderful!..
> Racer Bud
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Tue Feb 15 09:01:23 2011
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:01:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <7a60.15726d31.3a8bee23@aol.com>
References: <7a60.15726d31.3a8bee23@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004901cbcd29$9857b870$c9072950$@rr.com>

While THIS style of start may be interesting to some spectators it lends
itself to unsafe if not dangerous driving conditions due to the hurried
manner in which safety equipment is put on. Back in the day if I recall
correctly, attire was a polo helmet, a tee shirt and maybe a lap belt if the
driver took the time to connect it. Leap forward to today and even at the
amateur hobby level (yes, that's most of us folks!)we have 5 point
harnesses, HANS devices, gloves, etc. not to mention the starting procedures
many follow. The thought of scampering across the track and diving into it
would scare hell out of me! I know I'm getting old, and I want to get a lot
older before a dirt nap. 
I think Bill is spot on. There is great wisdom in his words.

Russ Moore
Spitfire #49

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:57 AM
To: andre at gt6.ca; budscars at comcast.net
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts

In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time, 
andre at gt6.ca writes:


> Why not take it a step further.
> 
> Lemans starts.
> 
> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
> 

The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were 
exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.  

Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse power 
and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with LeMan 
or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.  
Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer term

'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.

Bill Dentinger    
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From adcronin at mi.rr.com  Tue Feb 15 09:13:21 2011
From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:13:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Temperature Ranges of Permatex RTV
Message-ID: <1EFB87DF-F8FB-492E-87BB-B672A7F6AA6C@mi.rr.com>

Guys and Gals

Recently came across this listing of temperature ranges for the various
"Colors" of Permatex RTV and thought I would pass it along FWIW.
	Red-----65-650 F
	Blue----65-500 F
	Black---75-625 F
	Copper-20-650 F
	Clear---80-500 F

Form-a-Gasket
	#1---65-400 F
	#2---65-400 F


From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Feb 15 09:18:00 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 8:18:00 -0800
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <88DC4D77-D6CD-4218-8D04-0144EB854272@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <20110215111800.QEPK9.1259597.imail@fed1rmwml45>

In 1953 in a race at Aspen Colorado we had a Le Mans start.  One guy in a hurry broke the key off in the dashboard  starting or trying to start his car, another jumped in over the door, through his seat belt and took him a  couple laps to get undone. Another fellow jumped over the door and took the gear change lever up his pants leg, had to get out and start all over again.  I heard all these stories after the event. Fun for me but a horror some . 




--- Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote: 
SOVREN does them for certain special events, like enduros or "Lollipop" or
other handicap races. For the Le Mans start the driver is already in the car,
belted in and set to go, while a pit crew member does the running. Kind of
fun, but just a sideshow.

On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:56 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time,
> andre at gt6.ca writes:
>
>
>> Why not take it a step further.
>>
>> Lemans starts.
>>
>> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
>>
>
> The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were
> exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.
>
> Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse power
> and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with LeMan
> or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.
> Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer term
> 'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Feb 15 09:18:30 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:18:30 -0800
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
References: <7a60.15726d31.3a8bee23@aol.com>
	<004901cbcd29$9857b870$c9072950$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <5EA6FE4570854A6CB45B8D7042F60D15@Charly>

I remember reading about a race driver at LeMans buckling his belts while 
going down the straight away and holding the steering wheel with his knee. 
I don't remember the driver but I believe the car was a GT40
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spitfire Racing" <Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com>
To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <andre at gt6.ca>; <budscars at comcast.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts


> While THIS style of start may be interesting to some spectators it lends
> itself to unsafe if not dangerous driving conditions due to the hurried
> manner in which safety equipment is put on. Back in the day if I recall
> correctly, attire was a polo helmet, a tee shirt and maybe a lap belt if 
> the
> driver took the time to connect it. Leap forward to today and even at the
> amateur hobby level (yes, that's most of us folks!)we have 5 point
> harnesses, HANS devices, gloves, etc. not to mention the starting 
> procedures
> many follow. The thought of scampering across the track and diving into it
> would scare hell out of me! I know I'm getting old, and I want to get a 
> lot
> older before a dirt nap.
> I think Bill is spot on. There is great wisdom in his words.
>
> Russ Moore
> Spitfire #49
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:57 AM
> To: andre at gt6.ca; budscars at comcast.net
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts
>
> In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time,
> andre at gt6.ca writes:
>
>
>> Why not take it a step further.
>>
>> Lemans starts.
>>
>> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
>>
>
> The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were
> exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.
>
> Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse 
> power
> and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with 
> LeMan
> or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.
> Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer 
> term
>
> 'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Feb 15 09:27:55 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:27:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <5EA6FE4570854A6CB45B8D7042F60D15@Charly>
References: <7a60.15726d31.3a8bee23@aol.com>
	<004901cbcd29$9857b870$c9072950$@rr.com>
	<5EA6FE4570854A6CB45B8D7042F60D15@Charly>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1102151126330.24465@isis.mit.edu>

I've seen Dan Gurney report that in an interview.

rml

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On Tue, 15 Feb 2011, Charly Mitchel wrote:

> I remember reading about a race driver at LeMans buckling his belts while 
> going down the straight away and holding the steering wheel with his knee. I 
> don't remember the driver but I believe the car was a GT40
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spitfire Racing" 
> <Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com>
> To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <andre at gt6.ca>; <budscars at comcast.net>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts
>
>
>> While THIS style of start may be interesting to some spectators it lends
>> itself to unsafe if not dangerous driving conditions due to the hurried
>> manner in which safety equipment is put on. Back in the day if I recall
>> correctly, attire was a polo helmet, a tee shirt and maybe a lap belt if 
>> the
>> driver took the time to connect it. Leap forward to today and even at the
>> amateur hobby level (yes, that's most of us folks!)we have 5 point
>> harnesses, HANS devices, gloves, etc. not to mention the starting 
>> procedures
>> many follow. The thought of scampering across the track and diving into it
>> would scare hell out of me! I know I'm getting old, and I want to get a lot
>> older before a dirt nap.
>> I think Bill is spot on. There is great wisdom in his words.
>> 
>> Russ Moore
>> Spitfire #49
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:57 AM
>> To: andre at gt6.ca; budscars at comcast.net
>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts
>> 
>> In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time,
>> andre at gt6.ca writes:
>> 
>> 
>>> Why not take it a step further.
>>> 
>>> Lemans starts.
>>> 
>>> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
>>> 
>> 
>> The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were
>> exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.
>> 
>> Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse power
>> and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with LeMan
>> or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.
>> Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer 
>> term
>> 
>> 'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.
>> 
>> Bill Dentinger
>> _______________________________________________
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From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Feb 15 10:50:06 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:50:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
References: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
	<AANLkTim-5U1zuq-MKQuiTgjH-ahFBT5uAznL7LPL8YUK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F44AAC18399C418FAE9920B76C136F96@Bud>

We do occasional have a Le Mans start with CSRG when we have our 'relay 
race'
Racer bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
Cc: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts


Why not take it a step further.

Lemans starts.

Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)

I'd be game for that kind of fun.

A.

On 14 February 2011 23:49, RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
> When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing starts...It was
> Wonderful!..
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue Feb 15 11:39:16 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:39:16 -1000
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <6290580.1297794155472.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <6290580.1297794155472.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <014581CF-A5D5-4BDB-ACD1-349999AB3D50@bnj.com>

A lollipop is a handicap race where the cars are distributed in semi-equal
packs around the track (usually five or six packs, depending on track length).
The fastest cars at start, next fastest a bit further and so on until you get
to just before the finish. The start zones are marked by a track worker
holding up a colored disk--hence lollipop. If you are assigned to yellow you
drive around the track until you find the yellow lollipop and line up in a
staggered formation behind the car in front. Cars are released to the track in
reverse order: slowest first, so even within a group the slowest car has some
advantage.

The race is started over the radios--the worker gives two and one minute
warnings, and then when the worker drops the lollipop everyone goes--standing
start. You determine the number of laps by taking the time difference between
fastest and slowest cars and dividing that into the average lap time for the
fastest cars. The fast cars should just be catching the slowest ones when the
race ends.

Personally, I prefer the Australian Pursuit, where each car is flagged off
according to their handicapped time to complete the number of laps. Starting
off two or three laps behind a slow car is really a hoot, especially when you
round the last turn and see fifteen cars in a wad because they've all caught
up.

But lollipop is easier to organize.

Bill
On Feb 15, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Mike Jackson wrote:

> Hey Bill, what's a lollipop race?  VDCA is always looking for new gimmick
race ideas
>
> Mike Jackson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
>> Sent: Feb 15, 2011 10:17 AM
>> To: BillDentin at aol.com
>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts
>>
>> SOVREN does them for certain special events, like enduros or "Lollipop" or
>> other handicap races. For the Le Mans start the driver is already in the
car,
>> belted in and set to go, while a pit crew member does the running. Kind of
>> fun, but just a sideshow.
>>
>> On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:56 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time,
>>> andre at gt6.ca writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Why not take it a step further.
>>>>
>>>> Lemans starts.
>>>>
>>>> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
>>>>
>>>
>>> The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were
>>> exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.
>>>
>>> Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse
power
>>> and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with
LeMan
>>> or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.
>>> Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer
term
>>> 'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.
>>>
>>> Bill Dentinger
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Feb 15 12:03:00 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:03:00 EST
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
Message-ID: <43a76.3a0c2b61.3a8c27e4@aol.com>

In a message dated 02/15/2011 12:47:50 PM Central Standard Time, 
billb at bnj.com writes:


> Personally, I prefer the Australian Pursuit, where each car is flagged 
> off
> according to their handicapped time to complete the number of laps. 
> Starting
> off two or three laps behind a slow car is really a hoot, especially when 
> you
> round the last turn and see fifteen cars in a wad because they've all 
> caught
> up.
> 

They don't call them Australian Pursuit Races, but traditionally the VSCDA 
does these (very successfully, I might add) at the Blackhawk Vintage Classic 
(Father's Day Week End).  As a matter of fact, I think I won the very first 
one they ever ran, at a time I was finding a second or two every time I ran 
a session.  I think Wismer has won one too.  I've never been involved in 
the orchestration, but I understand that there is a lot of work involved 
(setting them up), causing orchestra leaders to miss banquet and drinking the 
night before.  

I agree that these are great fun.

Bill Dentinger


From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Tue Feb 15 12:20:06 2011
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:20:06 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
Message-ID: <13711781.1297797606682.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

/ATHyyE: Permission denied


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue Feb 15 12:29:10 2011
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:29:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW:  standing starts
In-Reply-To: <SNT134-w313187F02A57DB6554898B90D30@phx.gbl>
References: <88DC4D77-D6CD-4218-8D04-0144EB854272@bnj.com>,
	<20110215111800.QEPK9.1259597.imail@fed1rmwml45>,
	<SNT134-w313187F02A57DB6554898B90D30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT134-w4550CA69E8D45C0FC7A77D90D30@phx.gbl>

From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
To: kaskas at cox.net
Subject: RE: [Fot] standing starts
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:39:40 -0700




The previous owner of my Elva Courier did a standing start in Aspen and a guy
about two cars up stalled.  My Elva stopped but a Corvette behind drove up the
back of the Elva and perched the front wheels on the rollbar with the throttle
stuck open, where the engine continued to run until it exploded.

Cheers, Henry Morrison ( my Elva's been through a lot)

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:18:00 -0800
> From: kaskas at cox.net
> To: BillDentin at aol.com; billb at bnj.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts
>
> In 1953 in a race at Aspen Colorado we had a Le Mans start. One guy in a
hurry broke the key off in the dashboard starting or trying to start his car,
another jumped in over the door, through his seat belt and took him a couple
laps to get undone. Another fellow jumped over the door and took the gear
change lever up his pants leg, had to get out and start all over again. I
heard all these stories after the event. Fun for me but a horror some .
>
>
>
>
> --- Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:
> SOVREN does them for certain special events, like enduros or "Lollipop" or
> other handicap races. For the Le Mans start the driver is already in the
car,
> belted in and set to go, while a pit crew member does the running. Kind of
> fun, but just a sideshow.
>
> On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:56 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time,
> > andre at gt6.ca writes:
> >
> >
> >> Why not take it a step further.
> >>
> >> Lemans starts.
> >>
> >> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
> >>
> >
> > The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s. They were
> > exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.
> >
> > Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse
power
> > and talent. In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with
LeMan
> > or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.
> > Adding further complication is looking for trouble. The old bricklayer
term
> > 'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.
> >
> > Bill Dentinger
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
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>
> Bill Babcock
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From riverside at southslope.net  Tue Feb 15 12:41:52 2011
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:41:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire autocrosser engine
Message-ID: <B466A6D1E7F440F8BAE5B7552EC0FCB4@rileyPC>

We are trying to move along on this 1500 motor and are looking at
some options that have led to some questions that exceed our
experience.

How much overbore is safe without sonic testing the block?

How much can the deck be safely cut?

Has anyone used a larger wrist pin and if so how big can
you bore the small end?

What needs to be done to use the larger earlier exhaust valve
in a b78 head

What needs to be done to use the b74 intake in the b78 head?

Is there a way to go to bushed rockers?

Is the outside oiler for the rockers a good ideal?  Any potential
for too much oil to the rockers?

Which of these ideas produce too little juice for the squeeze?

Thanks for all your great advice.

art de armond


From rodkent at cox.net  Tue Feb 15 13:22:51 2011
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:22:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] spitfire hub bolt circle
Message-ID: <20110215152251.TOY6W.1240135.imail@fed1rmwml41>

Hi, easy question for this audience. What size bolt circle does a Spitfire/GT-6 use. I have a set of Panasports I ordered for a build that I am changing direction on, and I am not sure if I ordered a size that will fit the Spitfire and I need to advertize/peddle them. thx, rod


From herald948 at aol.com  Tue Feb 15 14:27:56 2011
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:27:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] spitfire hub bolt circle
In-Reply-To: <20110215152251.TOY6W.1240135.imail@fed1rmwml41>
References: <20110215152251.TOY6W.1240135.imail@fed1rmwml41>
Message-ID: <8CD9B6E58B2399D-1B10-EEFA@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com>

 4 x 3.75"



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Hi, easy question for this audience. What size bolt circle does a
Spitfire/GT-6

use.


From wes at hsrca.org.au  Tue Feb 15 15:57:05 2011
From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:57:05 +1100
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
Message-ID: <C9814E11.1AE2%wes@hsrca.org.au>

Historic races in Australia all use standing starts and I agree that the
race to the first corner is one of the highlights of racing. Yes, I have
experienced some 'heart-in-mouth' moments when the car in front suddenly
darts to the left or right, exposing some guy stalled in the middle of the
track frantically waving his arms, but (so far) have always manage to miss
them.

The only Historic races I have witnessed here using rolling starts it when
we have the F5000s running; apparently trying to get one of those things
off the line quickly from standing still results in lots of debris and
little motion. 

Wes Dayton

On 15/02/11 3:49 PM, "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:

>When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing starts...It was
>Wonderful!..
>Racer Bud
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Feb 15 16:03:29 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 00:03:29 +0100
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <C9814E11.1AE2%wes@hsrca.org.au>
References: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
	<C9814E11.1AE2%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <000801cbcd64$947ec230$bd7c4690$@com>

Last year I had my first pole position and you can bet on.....I missed that
start completely and nearly stalled the engine. Seems that I got nervous
somehow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpDL9YkDX1Q


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Wes Dayton [mailto:wes at hsrca.org.au]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Februar 2011 23:57
An: RACER BUD; MadMarx; FOT
Betreff: Re: [Fot] standing starts

Historic races in Australia all use standing starts and I agree that the
race to the first corner is one of the highlights of racing. Yes, I have
experienced some 'heart-in-mouth' moments when the car in front suddenly
darts to the left or right, exposing some guy stalled in the middle of the
track frantically waving his arms, but (so far) have always manage to miss
them.

The only Historic races I have witnessed here using rolling starts it when
we have the F5000s running; apparently trying to get one of those things
off the line quickly from standing still results in lots of debris and
little motion.

Wes Dayton

On 15/02/11 3:49 PM, "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:

>When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing starts...It was
>Wonderful!..
>Racer Bud
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Feb 15 17:27:43 2011
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:27:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
References: <7a60.15726d31.3a8bee23@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6670E43677A74D25940382BF916FB396@rocky>

Some years ago I did an autocross with a modified "Le Mans Start" (the 
classic run-across Le Mans Start is illegal in SCCA, BTW). Drivers had two 
options, both of which required him to be in the car and fully buckled up.

Option 1 was car off, hand on the key, and at "go" he'd start the car. I 
found it fastest in my car to hit the key with the car already in gear, 
clutch out, gas to the floor. It would buck once and go.

Option 2, for those who feared their car was hard start, was car running but 
in neutral (or Park), both feet flat on the floor and both hands atop his 
helmet. At "go" he could move, hit the steering wheel, gearshift and pedals 
as needed.

Weird, but fun.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
To: <andre at gt6.ca>; <budscars at comcast.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts


> In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time,
> andre at gt6.ca writes:
>
>
>> Why not take it a step further.
>>
>> Lemans starts.
>>
>> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
>>
>
> The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were
> exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.
>
> Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse 
> power
> and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with 
> LeMan
> or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.
> Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer 
> term
> 'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.
>
> Bill Dentinger
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Feb 15 18:24:09 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:24:09 -0800
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
References: <C9814E11.1AE2%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <4D642E5CA6844DC6BD84F7766D596013@Bud>

The standing starts are also 'great equalizers' because some drivers can 
turn very fast lap times, but have no 'racecraft'....while a good driver 
that may have had a mechanical problem in qualifying starts 1/4 of a mile 
back....Having raced in standing starts in FP at Riverside, and having stood 
next to the grid for the standing start of the big bore races(THE GROUND 
SHAKES)!.....It's an experience that every racer should have the opportunity 
to do at least once....It is just SO COOL!!
Racer Bud

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wes Dayton" <wes at hsrca.org.au>
To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>; "MadMarx" 
<tr4racing at googlemail.com>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts


> Historic races in Australia all use standing starts and I agree that the
> race to the first corner is one of the highlights of racing. Yes, I have
> experienced some 'heart-in-mouth' moments when the car in front suddenly
> darts to the left or right, exposing some guy stalled in the middle of the
> track frantically waving his arms, but (so far) have always manage to miss
> them.
>
> The only Historic races I have witnessed here using rolling starts it when
> we have the F5000s running; apparently trying to get one of those things
> off the line quickly from standing still results in lots of debris and
> little motion.
>
> Wes Dayton
>
> On 15/02/11 3:49 PM, "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing starts...It was
>>Wonderful!..
>>Racer Bud
>>_______________________________________________
>>fot at autox.team.net
>>
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>>
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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Wed Feb 16 07:12:11 2011
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:12:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need to contact Chuck Gee
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ZVx3G9p+Af5c_jwiOVCFuk2H3r7fZPh8ZZGCd@mail.gmail.com>

Chuck,

I tried sending an email but haven't heard back from you.  Could you
contact me directly, I need to talk to you about Cam shafts.

Thanks,

Brad


From rodkent at cox.net  Wed Feb 16 09:33:53 2011
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:33:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] spitfire hub bolt circle
In-Reply-To: <8CD9B6E58B2399D-1B10-EEFA@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20110216113353.787HD.1276828.imail@fed1rmwml45>

Thanks to everyone for the response, turns out they are 3.75. I don't want to misuse the site, is there a forum for selling parts associated with FOT?
---- Andrew Mace <herald948 at aol.com> wrote: 

 4 x 3.75"

 

--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: rodkent <rodkent at cox.net>


Hi, easy question for this audience. What size bolt circle does a Spitfire/GT-6 

use.


From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Feb 16 17:56:49 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 19:56:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Jefferson 500, Summit Point, May 12-14
Message-ID: <C70D6DFF-A897-41D0-B251-5BAE60F78DC2@me.com>

Vintage Racer Group is sponsoring this event, always a great one on  
the east coast.  They just opened for registration in the past few  
days.  Early bird date (free practice day) cut-off is March 15th. www.vrgonline.com
Hope to see some other Triumph racers there.

Scott Janzen
'68 GT6


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Thu Feb 17 05:00:08 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 07:00:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Jefferson 500, Summit Point, May 12-14
In-Reply-To: <C70D6DFF-A897-41D0-B251-5BAE60F78DC2@me.com>
References: <C70D6DFF-A897-41D0-B251-5BAE60F78DC2@me.com>
Message-ID: <60B70554-D507-4E25-B24A-7E28AF3F3DF5@aol.com>

I will be there as crew.

I will also be at VIR April 8-10 as crew.

I will be toting the grill badges with me. Still only $30.

Chris

On Feb 16, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> wrote:

> Vintage Racer Group is sponsoring this event, always a great one on
> the east coast.  They just opened for registration in the past few
> days.  Early bird date (free practice day) cut-off is March 15th.
www.vrgonline.com
> Hope to see some other Triumph racers there.
>
> Scott Janzen
> '68 GT6
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From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Thu Feb 17 05:36:31 2011
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (Chip Collingwood)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 07:36:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Jefferson 500, Summit Point, May 12-14
Message-ID: <380-220112417123631475@earthlink.net>

I am planning on attending. Running my Datsun 510 though...the TR isn't
ready for Vintage yet!


> [Original Message]
> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: 2/16/2011 8:18:47 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Jefferson 500, Summit Point, May 12-14
>
> Vintage Racer Group is sponsoring this event, always a great one on  
> the east coast.  They just opened for registration in the past few  
> days.  Early bird date (free practice day) cut-off is March 15th.
www.vrgonline.com
> Hope to see some other Triumph racers there.
>
> Scott Janzen
> '68 GT6
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Feb 17 08:25:43 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:25:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Jefferson 500, Summit Point, May 12-14
In-Reply-To: <C70D6DFF-A897-41D0-B251-5BAE60F78DC2@me.com>
References: <C70D6DFF-A897-41D0-B251-5BAE60F78DC2@me.com>
Message-ID: <8CD9CCE13C09050-1218-11AA2@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com>

 good to hear that the eastern FOT is emerging from hibernation.

58 degrees here today, but wont last long.










-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Feb 16, 2011 6:56 pm
Subject: [Fot] Jefferson 500, Summit Point, May 12-14


Vintage Racer Group is sponsoring this event, always a great one on

the east coast.  They just opened for registration in the past few

days.  Early bird date (free practice day) cut-off is March 15th.

www.vrgonline.com

Hope to see some other Triumph racers there.



Scott Janzen

'68 GT6

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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 17 10:48:30 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 12:48:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Question
Message-ID: <BLU156-w35D715A012513757CE94D9BAD50@phx.gbl>

Can anybody give me the stock head thickness of a Spitfire MK 3 head?

Thanks,
Marty


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Feb 18 10:04:49 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:04:49 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire answer
In-Reply-To: <BLU156-w35D715A012513757CE94D9BAD50@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU156-w35D715A012513757CE94D9BAD50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000001cbcf8d$f5492120$dfdb6360$@com>

Just to please you.

http://www.triumph-competition.de/images/content/img_4003.jpg


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Feb 18 10:30:53 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:30:53 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire answer
In-Reply-To: <C7A30747-EC99-449F-875F-AA9D20965E87@charter.net>
References: <BLU156-w35D715A012513757CE94D9BAD50@phx.gbl>
	<000001cbcf8d$f5492120$dfdb6360$@com>
	<C7A30747-EC99-449F-875F-AA9D20965E87@charter.net>
Message-ID: <000101cbcf91$9a6bba70$cf432f50$@com>

Nope....the driver did a good job and was good in front of them.
I was lapped...as my engine heated up and I backed off the reach the finish
line.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jerry Barr [mailto:jerrybarr at charter.net]
Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Februar 2011 18:26
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Spitfire answer

The assume the Spitfire is being lapped.;-)
On Feb 18, 2011, at 11:04 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> Just to please you.
>
> http://www.triumph-competition.de/images/content/img_4003.jpg
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Fri Feb 18 19:53:40 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 21:53:40 EST
Subject: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter
Message-ID: <77042.3d093c33.3a908ab4@aol.com>

I finally gave up on the oil filter adapter on the GT6 and put the canister 
 back on.  It wasn't fun taking the adapter off or putting the canister 
back  on but it is done and the canister doesn't leak, at least right now.  
We'll  see what happens.
This is what happened with the TR6 when I first put on an adapter.   Tried 
one a few years later from a different vendor and manufacturer.  No  
problems with it now.  I bought the new adapter from a major supplier (the  one for 
the GT) but it just would not quit leaking.
 
Sam


From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Feb 18 20:35:16 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:35:16 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter
References: <77042.3d093c33.3a908ab4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FC8DDC0992B74ADF8C3F50C5B2E4D404@Bud>

You need to be sure to screw the threaded post in far enough so that the 
filter rubber is flush/tight to the adapter so that the oil filter can 
tighten snuggly to the rubber ring..RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <TRDOCTOR at aol.com>
To: <tr6 at atlasok.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>; <thomaschronister at cox.net>; <akgraves at cox.net>; 
<6pack at autox.team.net>; <triumphlist at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 6:53 PM
Subject: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter


>I finally gave up on the oil filter adapter on the GT6 and put the canister
> back on.  It wasn't fun taking the adapter off or putting the canister
> back  on but it is done and the canister doesn't leak, at least right now.
> We'll  see what happens.
> This is what happened with the TR6 when I first put on an adapter.   Tried
> one a few years later from a different vendor and manufacturer.  No
> problems with it now.  I bought the new adapter from a major supplier (the 
> one for
> the GT) but it just would not quit leaking.
>
> Sam
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Fri Feb 18 22:22:27 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:22:27 EST
Subject: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter
Message-ID: <7a710.10cb150c.3a90ad93@aol.com>

The problem wasn't with the filter (once I got one that would fit in the  
allotted space) it seemed to with the adapter itself.  Oh, well. . . 
 
Sam
 
 
In a message dated 2/18/2011 9:35:20 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
budscars at comcast.net writes:

You need  to be sure to screw the threaded post in far enough so that the 
filter  rubber is flush/tight to the adapter so that the oil filter can 
tighten  snuggly to the rubber ring..RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From:  <TRDOCTOR at aol.com>
To: <tr6 at atlasok.com>
Cc:  <fot at autox.team.net>; <thomaschronister at cox.net>;  <akgraves at cox.net>; 
<6pack at autox.team.net>;  <triumphlist at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 6:53  PM
Subject: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter


>I finally gave up on  the oil filter adapter on the GT6 and put the 
canister
> back on.   It wasn't fun taking the adapter off or putting the canister
>  back  on but it is done and the canister doesn't leak, at least right  
now.
> We'll  see what happens.
> This is what happened with  the TR6 when I first put on an adapter.   
Tried
> one a few  years later from a different vendor and manufacturer.  No
>  problems with it now.  I bought the new adapter from a major supplier  
(the 
> one for
> the GT) but it just would not quit  leaking.
>
> Sam
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Sat Feb 19 03:37:53 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:37:53 +1000
Subject: [Fot] tall 1st gear for race TR6
Message-ID: <AANLkTinjK=dR3uuKAmxPa405vfoJ=Ajf11i==muQ=Mpz@mail.gmail.com>

i have a few brand new Leyland Special tuning  1st gears. these are 31
teeth, suit steel bush and have the late model back-cut syncro dog (so they
wont suit early syncro hubs). they are meant to be mated to a 17 tooth
cluster gear as used in late TR6, Stag or Dolomite Sprint. This combination
gives a 2.77 1st gear if you have the 23 x 35 input gear pair. prefer to
swap for other special gears, but will sell outright.
Terry O'Beirne, AUSTRALIA


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Sun Feb 20 12:32:58 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 11:32:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter
In-Reply-To: <7a710.10cb150c.3a90ad93@aol.com>
Message-ID: <924636.37446.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sam: As you said, the problem isn't the filter, it is the adapter. There are
two generations of the adapter. The first has a fixed center and seal. These
were used for years and leaked on enough engines to drive a redesign. The
problem with the fixed center was that the casting tolerences on the area
where the filter mounts allowed the center with it's seal to contact and seal
in the center, before the outer lip sealed on the larger outer seal. An
adapter would work on one motor, and fail to seal on a motor next to it. The
redesign makes the center section and seal spring loaded. It presses inward
until the outer lip makes a seal. You can still buy an older one if you buy a
used one on line. The new style has been out a few years and most inventories
from the big suppliers should have only new ones if they rotate stock. A block
that has the sealing problem,could be "fixed" during a rebuild if you machine
some material from the center sealing
 area. I don't know how much should be removed...what the difference should be
between the two surfaces. In any case, it would be less expensive to just
purchase the new style adapter.
-Ed Barnard-    

--- On Fri, 2/18/11, TRDOCTOR at aol.com <TRDOCTOR at aol.com> wrote:


From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com <TRDOCTOR at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter
To: budscars at comcast.net, tr6 at atlasok.com
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net, thomaschronister at cox.net, akgraves at cox.net,
fot at autox.team.net, triumphlist at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, February 18, 2011, 11:22 PM


The problem wasn't with the filter (once I got one that would fit in the 
allotted space) it seemed to with the adapter itself.  Oh, well. . .

Sam


In a message dated 2/18/2011 9:35:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
budscars at comcast.net writes:

You need  to be sure to screw the threaded post in far enough so that the
filter  rubber is flush/tight to the adapter so that the oil filter can
tighten  snuggly to the rubber ring..RB
----- Original Message -----
From:  <TRDOCTOR at aol.com>
To: <tr6 at atlasok.com>
Cc:  <fot at autox.team.net>; <thomaschronister at cox.net>;  <akgraves at cox.net>;
<6pack at autox.team.net>;  <triumphlist at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 6:53  PM
Subject: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter


>I finally gave up on  the oil filter adapter on the GT6 and put the
canister
> back on.   It wasn't fun taking the adapter off or putting the canister
>  back  on but it is done and the canister doesn't leak, at least right 
now.
> We'll  see what happens.
> This is what happened with  the TR6 when I first put on an adapter.   
Tried
> one a few  years later from a different vendor and manufacturer.  No
>  problems with it now.  I bought the new adapter from a major supplier 
(the
> one for
> the GT) but it just would not quit  leaking.
>
> Sam
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Mon Feb 21 03:48:49 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 05:48:49 EST
Subject: [Fot] [6pack]  Oil Filter Adapter
Message-ID: <458bb.19d6904c.3a939d11@aol.com>

I was trying to eliminate the drain back of oil when not running, but, I  
guess that I will just stick with the canister even though it is a PITA to  
change the filter.  I'll just make sure that I have a good filter.   The one 
I put in there was a VB brand (whatever that is) but in the future I  will 
stock up on some others.
When we bought the car I was sure that it was the same filter as the TR6,  s
ince it is the same configuration, but that turned out not to be the  case. 
 The TR6 filter is bigger in diameter and deeper.  
Sam and Carol Clark
Green Country Triumphs (Tulsa)
 
Just stick with the original filter. My mechanic says they're better for  
many
reasons. I know lots of folks love the spin on, so I'm not trying to  start 
a
big thread on which is better. Just my opinion.

Sloane  :)
69-Six


From andre at gt6.ca  Mon Feb 21 05:08:43 2011
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:08:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Oil Filter Adapter
In-Reply-To: <458bb.19d6904c.3a939d11@aol.com>
References: <458bb.19d6904c.3a939d11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinoa_oRue5m520eLWCapGzDNWQRxTMp-Ru_1jw=@mail.gmail.com>

Go with the K&N filters.

Anti drain back valve.

Following filters will work with the GT6 spin on and clear the steering
shaft.

Oil Filter  Fram CHP3682, K&N's # HP1002
http://gt6.ca/08/0525/slides/DSCN3605.html

You have to remove the whole setup to do a filter change, but still
works decent.
Oil cooler setup is slight more involved.

http://gt6.ca/07/0919b/slides/DSCN2633.html with Fram (I use for winter
storage)

A.

On 21 February 2011 05:48,  <TRDOCTOR at aol.com> wrote:
> I was trying to eliminate the drain back of oil when not running, but, I
> guess that I will just stick with the canister even though it is a PITA to
> change the filter.  I'll just make sure that I have a good filter.   The
one
> I put in there was a VB brand (whatever that is) but in the future I  will
> stock up on some others.
> When we bought the car I was sure that it was the same filter as the TR6,
 s
> ince it is the same configuration, but that turned out not to be the  case.
>  The TR6 filter is bigger in diameter and deeper.
> Sam and Carol Clark
> Green Country Triumphs (Tulsa)
>
> Just stick with the original filter. My mechanic says they're better for
> many
> reasons. I know lots of folks love the spin on, so I'm not trying to  start
> a
> big thread on which is better. Just my opinion.
>
> Sloane  :)
> 69-Six
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Mon Feb 21 05:37:21 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:37:21 EST
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Oil Filter Adapter
Message-ID: <48119.11dd540a.3a93b681@aol.com>

I think that I will just stick with the original and find a Wix or
Purolator filter.  I am sick of messing with it especially if I have to
remove the
adapter to change the filter.
Sam


In a message dated 2/21/2011 6:08:48 A.M. Central Standard Time,
andre at gt6.ca writes:

Go with  the K&N filters.

Anti drain back valve.

Following filters  will work with the GT6 spin on and clear the steering
shaft.

Oil Filter  b Fram CHP3682, K&N's #  HP1002
http://gt6.ca/08/0525/slides/DSCN3605.html

You have to remove  the whole setup to do a filter change, but still
works decent.
Oil  cooler setup is slight more  involved.

http://gt6.ca/07/0919b/slides/DSCN2633.html with Fram (I use  for winter
storage)

A.

On 21 February 2011 05:48,   <TRDOCTOR at aol.com> wrote:
> I was trying to eliminate the drain  back of oil when not running, but, I
> guess that I will just stick with  the canister even though it is a PITA
to
> change the filter.  I'll  just make sure that I have a good filter.   The
one
> I put in  there was a VB brand (whatever that is) but in the future I
will
>  stock up on some others.
> When we bought the car I was sure that it was  the same filter as the
TR6,  s
> ince it is the same configuration,  but that turned out not to be the
case.
>  The TR6 filter is  bigger in diameter and deeper.
> Sam and Carol Clark
> Green  Country Triumphs (Tulsa)
>
> Just stick with the original filter.  My mechanic says they're better for
> many
> reasons. I know lots  of folks love the spin on, so I'm not trying to
start
> a
>  big thread on which is better. Just my opinion.
>
> Sloane  :)
> 69-Six
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From bill at kenalu.com  Mon Feb 21 08:04:31 2011
From: bill at kenalu.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 05:04:31 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Peyote Running With Big Boys
Message-ID: <4D44F463-68AF-4284-9E34-E9B1FB9CA54E@kenalu.com>

I'm playing around with video editing software, so I reworked a in-car video
shot at the 2010 Columbia River Classic where I moved Peyote up to run in the
Big Bore class. Fun races, I like tiptoeing around with those big guys.
http://www.xgeez.com/2011/02/peyote-races-with-the-big-boys/  Still kind of
long--about 20 minutes, but it's fun. Really shows off how easy Peyote is to
drive.

Bill Babcock
bill at kenalu.com

Xtreme Geezer eMagazine
http://www.xgeez.com

Ke Nalu -- The Journal of Stand Up Paddling
http://www.kenalu.com


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Mon Feb 21 10:48:13 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:48:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Peyote Running With Big Boys
In-Reply-To: <4D44F463-68AF-4284-9E34-E9B1FB9CA54E@kenalu.com>
Message-ID: <827125.95190.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Nice commentary detailing the strategy, I enjoyed the insight. 

Paul 

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Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: February 21, 2011 10:05 AM
To: Friends of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Peyote Running With Big Boys

I'm playing around with video editing software, so I reworked a in-car video
shot at the 2010 Columbia River Classic where I moved Peyote up to run in
the Big Bore class. Fun races, I like tiptoeing around with those big guys.
http://www.xgeez.com/2011/02/peyote-races-with-the-big-boys/  Still kind of
long--about 20 minutes, but it's fun. Really shows off how easy Peyote is to
drive.

Bill Babcock
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Feb 21 10:52:46 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:52:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Peyote Running With Big Boys
References: <4D44F463-68AF-4284-9E34-E9B1FB9CA54E@kenalu.com>
Message-ID: <805814359A4B417EA580984AF71D1942@Bud>

Enjoyable video Bill......and probably very infomative for newr drivers...RB
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From: "Bill Babcock" <bill at kenalu.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 7:04 AM
Subject: [Fot] Peyote Running With Big Boys


> I'm playing around with video editing software, so I reworked a in-car 
> video
> shot at the 2010 Columbia River Classic where I moved Peyote up to run in 
> the
> Big Bore class. Fun races, I like tiptoeing around with those big guys.
> http://www.xgeez.com/2011/02/peyote-races-with-the-big-boys/  Still kind 
> of
> long--about 20 minutes, but it's fun. Really shows off how easy Peyote is 
> to
> drive.
>
> Bill Babcock
> bill at kenalu.com
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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Mon Feb 21 14:19:12 2011
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:19:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors
Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A8957FC@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>

Afternoon FOTer's,

What's everybody doing (brand wise, vendor wise) when it's time to
replace the GT6 rotors on your F production Spitfire race car??? I was
wanting to get cyro'ed rotors from Powerslot/Centric parts as they are a
vendor of my company but they only offer the Spitfire rotor.  Killed
mine at Atlanta this weekend and got to get ready for the next race. All
comments/suggestions are welcomed.

Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax
www.dieselperformanceparts.com


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Feb 21 15:04:13 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:04:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors
In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A8957FC@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>
Message-ID: <291239050.710925.1298325853114.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

US Cryogenics, Nashville, TN

I haven't spoken with them but most companies charge by the pound.





jim g






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To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 2:19:12 PM
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors

Afternoon FOTer's,

What's everybody doing (brand wise, vendor wise) when it's time to
replace the GT6 rotors on your F production Spitfire race car??? I was
wanting to get cyro'ed rotors from Powerslot/Centric parts as they are a
vendor of my company but they only offer the Spitfire rotor. B Killed
mine at Atlanta this weekend and got to get ready for the next race. All
comments/suggestions are welcomed.

Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Mon Feb 21 15:20:27 2011
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony & Annie Garmey)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:20:27 -0800
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP169E9BCE0C912FAE7862C2FB2D90@phx.gbl>

Coleman racing ! They make there rotos from your sample/drawing. Not cheap....but you get what you pay for !

"Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info" <info at dieselperformanceparts.com> wrote:

>Afternoon FOTer's,
>
>What's everybody doing (brand wise, vendor wise) when it's time to
>replace the GT6 rotors on your F production Spitfire race car??? I was
>wanting to get cyro'ed rotors from Powerslot/Centric parts as they are a
>vendor of my company but they only offer the Spitfire rotor.  Killed
>mine at Atlanta this weekend and got to get ready for the next race. All
>comments/suggestions are welcomed.
>
>Mark Craig
>Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
>411 Allied Drive
>Nashville, TN 37211
>866-455-7788 Phone
>615-834-9923 Fax
>www.dieselperformanceparts.com
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Wed Feb 23 07:09:10 2011
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:09:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors
In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A8957FC@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>
References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A8957FC@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>
Message-ID: <000001cbd363$3e8cf7c0$bba6e740$@rr.com>

Well, if you were to move up north for a bit the cryo-treatment is free. We
had 12 below zero this AM. Can't even think about racing yet! Think of all
the money you could save, not being able to race for 7 months out of the
year!

Russ Moore
In the frozen tundra of upstate NY where taxes are high and temps low!

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Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 4:19 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors

Afternoon FOTer's,

What's everybody doing (brand wise, vendor wise) when it's time to
replace the GT6 rotors on your F production Spitfire race car??? I was
wanting to get cyro'ed rotors from Powerslot/Centric parts as they are a
vendor of my company but they only offer the Spitfire rotor.  Killed
mine at Atlanta this weekend and got to get ready for the next race. All
comments/suggestions are welcomed.

Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Wed Feb 23 13:52:30 2011
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (wgrosenbach at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:52:30 GMT
Subject: [Fot] CVAR @ TWS
Message-ID: <20110223.135230.22985.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com>

Greetings all,How does CVAR deal with a non-member, non-competitor who arrives
to Spectate?
Thanks,Bill

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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Feb 23 14:30:29 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:30:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] take bids to ship a car
Message-ID: <1354613741.811407.1298496629094.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

FoT, 

A friend sent me this link. You can take bids to ship your car(s). His shipping cost turned out to be 

1/2 of what was quoted when calling shipping companies. 



http://www.uship.com/ 





Jim G 


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Feb 23 15:17:43 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:17:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] CVAR @ TWS
In-Reply-To: <20110223.135230.22985.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110223.135230.22985.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A1B93DC48BA@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

The best bet is to get tickets from a participant. We each get 4 with a
registration. I'm not registered but both the Blakes and Bobby Whitehead may
have some extras they can email you.

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson





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Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 2:53 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] CVAR @ TWS

Greetings all,How does CVAR deal with a non-member, non-competitor who
arrives
to Spectate?
Thanks,Bill

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From seacubeco at aol.com  Fri Feb 25 13:41:47 2011
From: seacubeco at aol.com (seacubeco at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:41:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Grill Badges
Message-ID: <8CDA3438E30CE61-23C8-649@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>

Amici,

 If there is anyone out there that has paid but not received their badge
PLEASE PLEASE contact me.  I don't want to overlook anyone or even give the
hint of screwing someone out of their money.

I believe that I sent them all out but I want to make sure.


I do have extras and I will be bringing them to the races I go to. Still only
$30.   Next race is at VIR, Wild Hare Run April 8-10.  I am crewing for the
275 team MGA (it was given to them, they have TR's for home use) just look me
up if I don't find the FOT gang.

Thanks
Chris


From sjanzen at me.com  Fri Feb 25 20:08:17 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:08:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Valve Guide Mysteries
Message-ID: <B837C939-046E-401A-AD0C-34E3E5CB9745@me.com>

Most times when I work on this car I discover how much I have yet to  
learn about it and cars in general - mostly this is fun . . . and  
another way of saying I feel like I ask a lot of questions as a result  
of basic ignorance!  Anyway, you might recall that I posted about a  
"dropped" valve guide the other day (intake) - it had moved into the  
intake passage at least .20".  Stem to guide clearances seem to be in  
line, and the interference fit mic'ed out correctly.
I picked up a few replacement guides and noticed that the lengths of  
what I purchased and what installed vary considerably.

Installed - 2.07" (both intake and exhaust) - this means the intakes  
protrude more above the head and more into the port.
the odd one that dropped - 2.16"
New ones from a reputable source - either 2.03" or 2.27".  I would  
assume the longer ones are the exhaust, given the head configuration,  
but would love to have someone confirm that.
Available travel before the retainer hits the top of the guide - 0.58"
Gross valve lift with current rockers - 0.490"
Net valve lift after clearance - 0.475"

OK, so the extra length may be why the odd intake guide moved, though  
it moved a lot more than the extra protrusion would indicate.

BTW, the factory manual says the valve guides are supposed to be 2.72"  
long!  Don't know how they fit, unless they protruded halfway into the  
air passages, and of course the valve lift was less.

So, the questions are -
1. which is supposed to be the longer guide - the intake or exhaust?
2. how much clearance is enough between keeper and guide top?
3. how much should the guide protrude into the air passage?  In the  
current installation, the intakes protrude about 0.2-.25", and the  
exhaust not at all.


From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Sat Feb 26 15:49:27 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 08:49:27 +1000
Subject: [Fot] RE GT6 guides
Message-ID: <AANLkTinH=5_MCN1SKT4Q0uAf70t1Bn5+EU8g3BTyB6b1@mail.gmail.com>

the guides are different Mk1 to Mk2 head, and you havge no said which it is

there were at least 6 different guides over the life of the 6 cyl and some
wholesalers sell guides for a few other cars, as the ID/OD dimenions are
identical but length varies

I'll go into the workshop on monday and measure some

terry o'beirne


From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat Feb 26 17:00:43 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 18:00:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca/Kastner Cup Weekend
Message-ID: <4D69942B.7080806@pobox.com>

My apologies if this question has already been asked.  Will there be any 
opportunity for street cars to drive the track?
Larry Young


From billb at bnj.com  Sat Feb 26 18:06:25 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 15:06:25 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca/Kastner Cup Weekend
In-Reply-To: <4D69942B.7080806@pobox.com>
References: <4D69942B.7080806@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <952BB786-E9BF-4CA1-A9AC-E5E81FAC1549@bnj.com>

Highly unlikely.
On Feb 26, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Larry Young wrote:

> My apologies if this question has already been asked.  Will there be any
opportunity for street cars to drive the track?
> Larry Young
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sat Feb 26 20:41:30 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 22:41:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] RE GT6 guides
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinH=5_MCN1SKT4Q0uAf70t1Bn5+EU8g3BTyB6b1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinH=5_MCN1SKT4Q0uAf70t1Bn5+EU8g3BTyB6b1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03D91389-7CDE-4BAE-A8C0-12CF1EF89399@me.com>

thanks - it's a later style head, not a MkI.
The interference fit on the guide that moved, on second examination,  
was not adequate.  It looks like Jaguar guides are about a 1/4"  
longer, 5/1000 larger diameter, and can easily be reamed out, turned  
down and shortened.
Unless I find someone that supplies oversize guides, this is the  
approach I'll take.

On Feb 26, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:

the guides are different Mk1 to Mk2 head, and you havge no said which  
it is

there were at least 6 different guides over the life of the 6 cyl and  
some wholesalers sell guides for a few other cars, as the ID/OD  
dimenions are identical but length varies

I'll go into the workshop on monday and measure some

terry o'beirne


From triumphs at consolidated.net  Sat Feb 26 23:21:35 2011
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home PC)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 00:21:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca/Kastner Cup Weekend
References: <4D69942B.7080806@pobox.com>
	<952BB786-E9BF-4CA1-A9AC-E5E81FAC1549@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <5FEDBAFE08D840F0A8A994FAA8288447@0817C93C637E473>

Not even a noon time parade lap?

Ken Gano

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Seca/Kastner Cup Weekend


> Highly unlikely.
> On Feb 26, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Larry Young wrote:
>
>> My apologies if this question has already been asked.  Will there be any
> opportunity for street cars to drive the track?
>> Larry Young
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Sun Feb 27 08:49:05 2011
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 10:49:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] NOS Spitfire/GT-6 4.11:1 R & P(2)
Message-ID: <000001cbd695$dd605420$9820fc60$@rr.com>

Before I list these on Fleabay, I wanted to offer them to FOT. These are
both Leyland NOS R&P sets part # 518843 still in the original box and
wrapped in oil paper. I can send pictures. These are a direct bolt in on the
later style Mk 4 and 1500 Spitfire diff case as well as the GT-6 case. This
allows the use of the stronger stub axles and bearings. This is not to be
confused with the weaker Mk 1, 2 and 3 4.11 gear sets. I am selling these to
raise the funds to go racing this spring hopefully. I also have an original
NOS MGB stepped reamer still in its wax casing. I got rid of the MG flavored
cars years back so I no longer see a need for this. This is used for the
installation and sizing of new front suspension bushings during a front end
rebuild.

If interested please contact me off line via e-mail. 

 

Russ Moore

Spitfire #49


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sun Feb 27 13:54:17 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:54:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup photo's
Message-ID: <20110227205600.C52CE18764E@autox.team.net>

FoT,

I was wondering if anyone has a copy of the photo taken of the grid from the
starters position

they might be willing to share, or any other Cup photo's for that matter.

Thanks,

Jim G


From horizonracing at msn.com  Sun Feb 27 19:51:47 2011
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 18:51:47 -0800
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup photo's
In-Reply-To: <20110227205600.C52CE18764E@autox.team.net>
References: <20110227205600.C52CE18764E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <SNT141-w40C3F590E0B0BDBEA51E23B2DE0@phx.gbl>

www.nwspeedshots.com

> From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:54:17 -0700
> Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup photo's
>
> FoT,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has a copy of the photo taken of the grid from
the
> starters position
>
> they might be willing to share, or any other Cup photo's for that matter.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim G
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Sun Feb 27 20:56:33 2011
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 21:56:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup photo's
In-Reply-To: <20110227205600.C52CE18764E@autox.team.net>
References: <20110227205600.C52CE18764E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000001cbd6fb$7e257330$7a705990$@com>

I have some photos from the starters position on the Kastner cup grid if you
are interested I can e-mail them to you.  They are about 2.5 Mb for each
file.

Tim Murphy

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From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jim Gray
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 2:54 PM
To: Friends of triumph
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup photo's

FoT,

I was wondering if anyone has a copy of the photo taken of the grid from the
starters position

they might be willing to share, or any other Cup photo's for that matter.

Thanks,

Jim G
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Mon Feb 28 04:46:34 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 21:46:34 +1000
Subject: [Fot] new gearbox gears
Message-ID: <AANLkTikTeF+2A12jObY9hrW7=vTmi3m=ybOeugAn3iD4@mail.gmail.com>

i have unearthed a bit of a stash of brand new triumph gearbox gears. they
are with a company that is closing and used to do a lot of gearbox rebuilds.
if anyone is chasing something, please email me with part number and I'll
happily look over next week or so while i'm chasing some for myself. There
seems to be gears & hubs for models TR, 2000, Spitfire, GT6 + a few oddities
like front-drive Toledo etc . So far, i have not seen any TR cluster
gears/shafts, but they may be lurking deeper. I doubt there will be much (if
any) TR7 stuff and definitely no NOS syncro cones

Terry O'Beirne
AUSTRALIA


From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Mon Feb 28 08:35:37 2011
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:35:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help
Message-ID: <C22F4A3F0AA3EA488D30A42FC8A4817639AD8F102A@DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local>

Hey Listers,

What's the best source for GT6 rotors for a racing Spitfire. I know of all the
normal outlets for pats, but am concerned that I get the best quality for the
purpose of racing. I plan to cyro the rotors and would really like some that
are slotted if anyone knows of them somewhere. As always thanks!!

Mark Craig
615-347-0260


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 28 10:37:07 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:37:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Belts and Harnesses
Message-ID: <BLU156-w318503112B61470A70F6CDBADE0@phx.gbl>

I will probably end up buying a new set of harnesses for the Spit this year.
For autoxing all that was required was 4 points.  For the Spit I will need to
go 5 or 6 point.  Is there any strong opinions as to which is better? I would
think the 6 point would be more, er, forgiving in case of being actually put
to use.  What say the masses?

Thanks,
Marty


From bownes at seiri.com  Mon Feb 28 10:51:00 2011
From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:51:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Belts and Harnesses
In-Reply-To: <BLU156-w318503112B61470A70F6CDBADE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU156-w318503112B61470A70F6CDBADE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <44E897C8-1F37-4927-8BCC-50213D4F042F@seiri.com>

My feeling is the more points you can distribute the load over, the better.





On Feb 28, 2011, at 12:37 PM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I will probably end up buying a new set of harnesses for the Spit this
year.
> For autoxing all that was required was 4 points.  For the Spit I will need
to
> go 5 or 6 point.  Is there any strong opinions as to which is better? I
would
> think the 6 point would be more, er, forgiving in case of being actually
put
> to use.  What say the masses?
>
> Thanks,
> Marty
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From sjanzen at me.com  Mon Feb 28 14:28:46 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:28:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ARP torque setting for main cap studs - TR6, GT6
Message-ID: <1EBDE74C-8C92-479A-9F81-C4FE77E0C702@me.com>

anybody know what this reading supposed to be?  I've mislaid the info  
that came with the studs.  I'm assuming it ought to be more than  
factory.


From gaf3 at charter.net  Mon Feb 28 16:25:43 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:25:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Stag Transmission Parts
Message-ID: <4D6C2EF7.8040701@charter.net>

Hi
I'm trying to locate a source for the Borg Warner Automatic Transmission 
parts for a Club Members Stag.
I have the Automatic Stripped down and I'm having a difficult time 
locating parts. I need the standard stuff for a rebuild. Gaskets, seals 
clutches and steels and a few other parts.
Rimmer doesn't have anything much on their website.
Does anyone out there  have a source for these parts. The usual 
suppliers don't have any stock for the British built Automatic.
Are there any Stag Mail Lists I could post a message on?
Thanks in advance
Glenn Franco


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Feb 28 16:50:21 2011
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:50:21 EST
Subject: [Fot] Stag Transmission Parts
Message-ID: <5a02c.7919de21.3a9d8ebd@aol.com>

What trans is this?  BW type 8 as in the Jags?  I have a spare  type 8 from 
a 69 Jag if it helps you...
 
 
In a message dated 2/28/2011 3:46:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
gaf3 at charter.net writes:

Hi
I'm trying to locate a source for the Borg Warner Automatic  Transmission 
parts for a Club Members Stag.
I have the Automatic  Stripped down and I'm having a difficult time 
locating parts. I need the  standard stuff for a rebuild. Gaskets, seals 
clutches and steels and a few  other parts.
Rimmer doesn't have anything much on their website.
Does  anyone out there  have a source for these parts. The usual 
suppliers  don't have any stock for the British built Automatic.
Are there any Stag  Mail Lists I could post a message on?
Thanks in advance
Glenn  Franco
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Feb 28 17:46:46 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:46:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Stag Transmission Parts
In-Reply-To: <4D6C2EF7.8040701@charter.net>
References: <4D6C2EF7.8040701@charter.net>
Message-ID: <156301cbd7aa$24e6f8c0$6eb4ea40$@rr.com>

You could try at
http://www.triumphstag.net/start/phorum/list.php?1

Anything posted there will, in theory at least, get copied to the Stag mail
list.

You should probably mention if it is a BW35 (early Stag) or BW65 (late Stag)
as they are different.  Also used in several other cars of the period, so it
shouldn't be too hard to track down some parts for them.  Eg,
http://atransmission.info/bw37tb-81-up-master-rebuild-kit-with-steels-saab-b
w-35tb-3sp-fwd.html

-- Randall 


From LOddTR at aol.com  Tue Feb 22 17:31:52 2011
From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:31:52 -0000
Subject: [Fot] Be There or Be Square - The 5th Annual Martha McDougal
	Races	ate VIR 4/8 - 4/10
Message-ID: <3203.4cc42792.3a95af6e@aol.com>

Now that everyone is shaking off the cobwebs, except for those fortunate  
souls that attended last week's VDCA event at Road Atlanta, it's time to plan 
 your April outings!
 
The 5th Annual Martha McDougal award will be presented to a special TR  
Racer at the VDCA Wild Hare on VIR's fantastic 3.3 mile track in April. The TR  
Ghetto will again host the Friday evening cookout which has been known to  
feature a fine collection of foods and beverages. 
 
In addition to the fellowship of your favorite TR buddies, you will enjoy  
more track time than you are likely to buy fuel for. This event is a great 
way  to dive into the 2011 season and have a ball while you're at it. So mark 
your  calendar and load your trailer - BE THERE OR BE SQUARE!
 
THE TR GHETTO
For entry details go to - _http://http://www.vintagedrive.com/_ 
(http://http://www.vintagedrive.com/) 
 
Here is the story of the trophy and why it was named for  Martha:
 
 
This Trophy honors Ms. Martha McDougal, a woman who toiled  in almost total 
obscurity for many years at the Triumph automobile plant in  Coventry, 
England.  According to sources believed to be reliable, Martha  was born in 
Coventry in January, 1923. Her parents were tragically killed in the  Blitz and 
Martha was left an orphan at age 16. Although she was not overly  bright, 
she was very resourceful and within months had gotten a job at the  Standard 
Triumph factory emptying the dust bins. Throughout the war and until  the 
demise of the company, Martha made the rounds, day after day, month after  
month, year after year, transferring the trash into her cart and then into the  
large bins behind the factory, without complaint or even one day's absence.  

Over the years Martha became known as the single person who had  completed 
the most "laps" of the Triumph factory and, upon her retirement a few  
months before the final closing of the Coventry plant, she was honored with a  
bronzed pair of high top Keds, her signature footwear.  It is rumored that  at 
the presentation, Sir John himself reminisced about how Martha, who had an  
endearing habit of assigning nicknames to all the staff, would push past 
him in  the hallway and mumble, "Get out of my way you fat  bastard".


From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Feb  1 09:43:29 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 10:43:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR3 and Southwick Conversion
In-Reply-To: <312745366.1950765.1296501078095.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <312745366.1950765.1296501078095.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4D483831.1060708@pobox.com>

I did not have my Southwick axles lengthened, just spent a bit of time 
with the die grinder and all was good.  I had some light tire rub with 
the 205 Speedsters, so I rolled the inner fender flange over wire.  If 
the axles were 1/8 inch longer, more drastic measures would have been 
required to fit the 205's.

On 1/31/2011 1:11 PM, davehogye wrote:
> It's good to get some feedback regarding adjusting fender clearance.
> It has been brought to my attention that track may be measured by some racing groups.
> Has anyone had their cars' track scrutinized?
> Tire and wheel size is related to the matter of clearance as well. I believe that TR3s should be to running 5.5" wheels max., but that depends on the race organization.
> What tire, wheel, spacer combinations are being used for TR3s? If spacers are being used, then maybe the axle could be lengthen a bit.
> Could the Southwick conversion for TR3s be lengthened by 1/4" overall? Is it worth going to the trouble of having the option from Southwick?
> Moser cuts and machines the axles, it seams to me that an 1/8" adjustment could be easily made.
> Again, 1/8" would really help the weld grinding situation. There really isn't that much weld on there when compared the the tube thickness. Perhaps no one has had a problem after removing some weld, but I thought this question was worth asking. If added length creates other problems, then it's probably not a good idea.
> Thanks for the commentary,
> Dave H.
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Feb  1 10:23:35 2011
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:23:35 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 and Southwick Conversion
In-Reply-To: <4D483831.1060708@pobox.com>
References: <312745366.1950765.1296501078095.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<4D483831.1060708@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <C40F6844-3208-4EAB-879A-4DAED3531929@earthlink.net>

I have the Southwick conversion on my TR3 with the stock-length axle  
tubes.  There plates were ground down a bit to fit over the flange.   
It gets thin in places.  Also, the guy who performed the conversion  
used U-bolts of different diameters so that the outer's are thinner to  
make a better fit over the flange.

~Steve


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Tue Feb  1 10:31:01 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 12:31:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
Message-ID: <52785169-7100-48C7-824B-C325AA178D64@aol.com>

Amici

Has anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they fit/look?

Looking for a driver fender for a 72.

Going on a daily driver.

Thanks


From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  1 12:37:32 2011
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 11:37:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
In-Reply-To: <52785169-7100-48C7-824B-C325AA178D64@aol.com>
References: <52785169-7100-48C7-824B-C325AA178D64@aol.com>
Message-ID: <139231.91392.qm@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

The aftermarket fiberglass fenders I have seen are just as heavy or heavier
than 
the stock steel fenders. I never saw a decent paint job on them so I
couldn't 
tell you how they look. 
Mike




________________________________
From: Christopher Bock <SeaCubeCo at aol.com>
To: FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 11:31:01 AM
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

Amici

Has
anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they fit/look?
Looking for a driver fender for a 72.

Going on a daily driver.

Thanks
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Feb  1 12:53:56 2011
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 13:53:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Trailer for sale
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E730C1@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Haulmark 18-footer, good tires, electric brakes, winch, internal tire
rack.   Nice condition.



Located in east-central Wisconsin.



$3,000



If you're interested, I can get you in touch with the owner.



NFI (which, in this case also means "no further information")



Scott B.


From bownes at seiri.com  Tue Feb  1 13:17:39 2011
From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 13:17:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
In-Reply-To: <139231.91392.qm@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <52785169-7100-48C7-824B-C325AA178D64@aol.com>
	<139231.91392.qm@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8B390AE9-F945-4869-92AE-08D0DE044794@seiri.com>

I have a set on the parts car in the yard. They pass the 20' test. :)



On Feb 1, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:

> The aftermarket fiberglass fenders I have seen are just as heavy or heavier
> than 
> the stock steel fenders. I never saw a decent paint job on them so I
> couldn't 
> tell you how they look. 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Christopher Bock <SeaCubeCo at aol.com>
> To: FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 11:31:01 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
> 
> Amici
> 
> Has
> anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they fit/look?
> Looking for a driver fender for a 72.
> 
> Going on a daily driver.
> 
> Thanks
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Feb  1 13:44:16 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:44:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR3 and Southwick Conversion
In-Reply-To: <C40F6844-3208-4EAB-879A-4DAED3531929@earthlink.net>
References: <312745366.1950765.1296501078095.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<4D483831.1060708@pobox.com>
	<C40F6844-3208-4EAB-879A-4DAED3531929@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4D4870A0.1060005@pobox.com>

I used large U-bolts as well.

On 2/1/2011 11:23 AM, Steven Belfer wrote:
> I have the Southwick conversion on my TR3 with the stock-length axle 
> tubes.  There plates were ground down a bit to fit over the flange.  
> It gets thin in places.  Also, the guy who performed the conversion 
> used U-bolts of different diameters so that the outer's are thinner to 
> make a better fit over the flange.
>
> ~Steve
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  1 14:01:43 2011
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 13:01:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Stray Koni
Message-ID: <384511.19926.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - I am looking for a single Koni front shock for a TR3/4.
Anyone have
one that they would sell?    part# 80 1005  SP1

Thanks
Dennis


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Feb  1 14:36:20 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 21:36:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spax shock needs good home
Message-ID: <609650558.1789214.1296596180503.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

FoT

I have one, never used gas SpaxB / adjustable shock for the TR-4 ( conversion)

I bought it before I learned there are different shocks for lowered springs.

Will sell for 75% of retail. Moss PN is 264-698.

tanx



Jim G.


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Feb  1 15:08:25 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 23:08:25 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
In-Reply-To: <52785169-7100-48C7-824B-C325AA178D64@aol.com>
References: <52785169-7100-48C7-824B-C325AA178D64@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001501cbc25c$8eaeef00$ac0ccd00$@com>

Hi,

I have fiberglass fenders all around.
They look good when good when bought from a good company like Honeybourn
mouldings.
They are slightly lighter....
steel 4.5 kg
plastic 3.0 kg
You save more weight with doors and bonnets.
Changing from steel to plastic made the car 100kg lighter.

Cheers
Chris

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Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Februar 2011 18:31
An: FoTTriumph
Betreff: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

Amici

Has anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they
fit/look?

Looking for a driver fender for a 72.

Going on a daily driver.

Thanks
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Tue Feb  1 15:32:39 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 16:32:39 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
In-Reply-To: <001501cbc25c$8eaeef00$ac0ccd00$@com>
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	<001501cbc25c$8eaeef00$ac0ccd00$@com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A091B1A748B@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Chris,

Do they sell floors for a TR3?

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of MadMarx
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:08 PM
To: 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

Hi,

I have fiberglass fenders all around.
They look good when good when bought from a good company like Honeybourn
mouldings.
They are slightly lighter....
steel 4.5 kg
plastic 3.0 kg
You save more weight with doors and bonnets.
Changing from steel to plastic made the car 100kg lighter.

Cheers
Chris

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Auftrag von Christopher Bock
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Februar 2011 18:31
An: FoTTriumph
Betreff: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

Amici

Has anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they
fit/look?

Looking for a driver fender for a 72.

Going on a daily driver.

Thanks
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Feb  1 15:40:38 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 23:40:38 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
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	<001501cbc25c$8eaeef00$ac0ccd00$@com>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A091B1A748B@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <001d01cbc261$0e0a3f80$2a1ebe80$@com>

Floors?
You mean doors?
No doors for TR3...but there wouldn be much gain I suppose.

My TR4 doors weigh 3.5 kg instead of 25 for a full steel door with glass
window.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Kramer, Robert [mailto:RKramer at rdoequipment.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Februar 2011 23:33
An: MadMarx; 'Friends'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

Chris,

Do they sell floors for a TR3?

Bob Kramer
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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:08 PM
To: 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

Hi,

I have fiberglass fenders all around.
They look good when good when bought from a good company like Honeybourn
mouldings.
They are slightly lighter....
steel 4.5 kg
plastic 3.0 kg
You save more weight with doors and bonnets.
Changing from steel to plastic made the car 100kg lighter.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Christopher Bock
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Februar 2011 18:31
An: FoTTriumph
Betreff: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

Amici

Has anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they
fit/look?

Looking for a driver fender for a 72.

Going on a daily driver.

Thanks
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From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Wed Feb  2 04:54:27 2011
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 22:54:27 +1100
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
In-Reply-To: <001501cbc25c$8eaeef00$ac0ccd00$@com>
References: <52785169-7100-48C7-824B-C325AA178D64@aol.com>
	<001501cbc25c$8eaeef00$ac0ccd00$@com>
Message-ID: <888179580E51423AB812999EADE80B83@GEOFFPC>

You guys are luck in Australia we have to run a full factory spec body no 
flares and no plastic panels
Geoff Byrne
TR6 Racer Down Under
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: "'Friends'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr6 fenders


> Hi,
>
> I have fiberglass fenders all around.
> They look good when good when bought from a good company like Honeybourn
> mouldings.
> They are slightly lighter....
> steel 4.5 kg
> plastic 3.0 kg
> You save more weight with doors and bonnets.
> Changing from steel to plastic made the car 100kg lighter.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Christopher Bock
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Februar 2011 18:31
> An: FoTTriumph
> Betreff: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
>
> Amici
>
> Has anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they
> fit/look?
>
> Looking for a driver fender for a 72.
>
> Going on a daily driver.
>
> Thanks
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Feb  2 05:27:27 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 13:27:27 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
In-Reply-To: <888179580E51423AB812999EADE80B83@GEOFFPC>
References: <52785169-7100-48C7-824B-C325AA178D64@aol.com>
	<001501cbc25c$8eaeef00$ac0ccd00$@com>
	<888179580E51423AB812999EADE80B83@GEOFFPC>
Message-ID: <000601cbc2d4$90baaf00$b2300d00$@com>

That comes from that we are linked off the vintage FIA rules.
The Triumph Competition has their own rules, like the FIA, IMSA, DTM, WTCC.
So we can decide what is best for racing and fun and to keep cost low.

Big engined cars are limited with modifications and weight.
Small engined cars are allowed to have 10 percent less weight to catch up
with the big ones.
With this we have close racing, the cost are limited as nobody is forced to
run a 200 HP TR4 engine.
Fun for all and spectators also.

Go that way too with your group.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Geoff Byrne [mailto:gkbyrne at optushome.com.au]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Februar 2011 12:54
An: MadMarx; 'Friends'
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tr6 fenders

You guys are luck in Australia we have to run a full factory spec body no
flares and no plastic panels
Geoff Byrne
TR6 Racer Down Under
----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: "'Friends'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr6 fenders


> Hi,
>
> I have fiberglass fenders all around.
> They look good when good when bought from a good company like Honeybourn
> mouldings.
> They are slightly lighter....
> steel 4.5 kg
> plastic 3.0 kg
> You save more weight with doors and bonnets.
> Changing from steel to plastic made the car 100kg lighter.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Christopher Bock
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Februar 2011 18:31
> An: FoTTriumph
> Betreff: [Fot] Tr6 fenders
>
> Amici
>
> Has anyone used fiberglass front fenders on their tr6?  How do they
> fit/look?
>
> Looking for a driver fender for a 72.
>
> Going on a daily driver.
>
> Thanks
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Feb  2 13:32:29 2011
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 20:32:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 and Southwick conversion
In-Reply-To: <1537924229.83708.1296678708388.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1647732285.83753.1296678749205.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Thanks for the comments and information regarding TR3s and Southwick axle conversions. 
I have been educated as to what problems might occur when changing the TR3s axle length. The most important issue is what's legal according to the rules in your particular race group. In my case, the stock length must be retained, but for others racing TR3s, a little extra axle length might be a reasonable modification to consider. 
It has been brought to my attention, that Southwick could lengthen the TR3 axle conversion as much as the tubes will allow and if a U bolt is provided, they will perform any needed grinding, all for no additional cost. 
Thanks again, 
Dave Hogye 


From sjanzen at me.com  Fri Feb  4 08:49:14 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:49:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Moving Valve Guide  - how to fix?
Message-ID: <0769FA75-512B-4F8E-8130-3FCB743E90B9@me.com>

Doing some winter maintenance, I noticed that one of the intake valve  
guides has shifted down into the port about 1/4".  What's the  
appropriate fix for this, assuming the guide is a standard diameter?   
Reassemble with red loctite, JB weld, or ?


From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  4 11:57:49 2011
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:57:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Coolant routing, TR6 race engine
Message-ID: <834427.90849.qm@web114701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

>From your resident ChumpCar team, we have the silly question of the day...

We
know we need to NOT run the hot water through the intake manifold while
racing...right?  Isn't that just for cold weather driveability (not much of a
concern on the race car...)  So do we just block both ends, or is that flow
path 
crucial to engine cooling and we need to run a hose anyway?  Yes, we are
running 
two stock strombergs, we don't have a choice...for now...

Thanks for
answering our series of silly questions.  We're reinstalling the 
engine
(built with the finest used parts, apart from gaskets, seals and freeze
plugs, that we can find...again, it's in the rules...) this weekend and
figured 
we'd better get an answer...

Thanks,

Jamie Palmer
Squadron Leader
RiffRAF Racing
1975 TR6 ChumpCar


From harmug at us.ibm.com  Fri Feb  4 13:58:41 2011
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:58:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
Message-ID: <OF8098C0E9.0E81DD24-ON8525782D.0071E493-8525782D.00733CC7@us.ibm.com>

I have a spare racing engine, 1296, that broke two cams. I thought the
first one was a bad cam blank but when the second one broke in the same
spot, cylinder #3 intake, after 5 hours run time, we took a closer look at
the block. It appears that there's excessive wear in the block (hole is out
of round) and the (new) lifter is cocking enough to put excessive side
loading on the cam lob (radial fracture marks on the cam remains).

I don't have the exact measurements here, the mechanic does, but we were
discussing options. He was wondering if a sleeve could be used to get the
bore back in spec. I was wondering if anyone here has seen this and has
another solution. Is it possible to bore it out and use a larger lifter
from another series engine? Custom lifters?

Thanks in advance

mike

63 Spitfire
HP and HRG1

G. Michael Harmuth


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Fri Feb  4 16:44:34 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 18:44:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Badges
Message-ID: <5AA276EA-C290-4313-99B1-AA80625A5370@aol.com>

Amici

Just a quick FYI.   All those who paid for a badge, they have been sent out
today.

There are more available.

I was wondering if there could beca posting on the website?


From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Fri Feb  4 17:45:27 2011
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (Chip Collingwood)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 19:45:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
Message-ID: <380-2201126504527526@earthlink.net>

Good question Mike/George,

The answer is most likely yes. On our race and street motors for the TR6 we
overbored the lifter holes and fitted them for the Ford solid lifter. Of
course this would not be legal for SCCA. But would be fine for
Vintage/Street applications as internal engine parts are "Free" in many
sanctioning bodies. This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
not effect maximum lift...and good lifters are available. What we did was
use a CNC and wrote a program to get the job done. You must be very
conscious of the relationship between the cam and the lifter bore angle and
offset. We also found that this mod interfered slightly with the
distributor drive...to get around this problem we offset the bore
centerline for that particular valve...it didn't take much.

Chip
U K Motorsports

> [Original Message]
> From: George Harmuth <harmug at us.ibm.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: 2/4/2011 3:58:53 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
>
> I have a spare racing engine, 1296, that broke two cams. I thought the
> first one was a bad cam blank but when the second one broke in the same
> spot, cylinder #3 intake, after 5 hours run time, we took a closer look at
> the block. It appears that there's excessive wear in the block (hole is
out
> of round) and the (new) lifter is cocking enough to put excessive side
> loading on the cam lob (radial fracture marks on the cam remains).
>
> I don't have the exact measurements here, the mechanic does, but we were
> discussing options. He was wondering if a sleeve could be used to get the
> bore back in spec. I was wondering if anyone here has seen this and has
> another solution. Is it possible to bore it out and use a larger lifter
> from another series engine? Custom lifters?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> mike
>
> 63 Spitfire
> HP and HRG1
>
> G. Michael Harmuth
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Fri Feb  4 19:22:03 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 02:22:03 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Moving Valve Guide  - how to fix?
Message-ID: <20110204.212203.29213.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

There are a couple of ways to fix this.  You can have an oversized guide
installed or if the guide is soft enough you can have it knurled and then
reinstalled.  Loctite sleeve retainer would be a good idea to help keep it in
place.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Moving Valve Guide  - how to fix?
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:49:14 -0500

Doing some winter maintenance, I noticed that one of the intake valve
guides has shifted down into the port about 1/4".  What's the
appropriate fix for this, assuming the guide is a standard diameter?
Reassemble with red loctite, JB weld, or ?
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Fri Feb  4 20:14:06 2011
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 19:14:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
References: <OF8098C0E9.0E81DD24-ON8525782D.0071E493-8525782D.00733CC7@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <7505A542EF7C4A9782A60ABFC62EB09E@Pendys>

 Had the same issue this past summer with three guides. Ended up over 
sizeing the bore and put in chevy guides cause they have a nice thick 
shoulder, these babies are not going to move.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Harmuth" <harmug at us.ibm.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 12:58 PM
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore


>I have a spare racing engine, 1296, that broke two cams. I thought the
> first one was a bad cam blank but when the second one broke in the same
> spot, cylinder #3 intake, after 5 hours run time, we took a closer look at
> the block. It appears that there's excessive wear in the block (hole is 
> out
> of round) and the (new) lifter is cocking enough to put excessive side
> loading on the cam lob (radial fracture marks on the cam remains).
>
> I don't have the exact measurements here, the mechanic does, but we were
> discussing options. He was wondering if a sleeve could be used to get the
> bore back in spec. I was wondering if anyone here has seen this and has
> another solution. Is it possible to bore it out and use a larger lifter
> from another series engine? Custom lifters?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> mike
>
> 63 Spitfire
> HP and HRG1
>
> G. Michael Harmuth
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat Feb  5 09:22:31 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 10:22:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <380-2201126504527526@earthlink.net>
References: <380-2201126504527526@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4D4D7947.5020009@pobox.com>

Chip, could you explain this?  How does a larger diameter lifter change 
the valve timing?

For the TR3/4 I've found that 99% of the available cams are designed 
using the lowest common denominator for lifters.  In the US, the 
smallest common lifter is the SBC at 0.842.  I've often wondered whether 
some of these grinds find their way into Spitfire and TR6 engines with 
the 0.800 lifter.  The result would be a cam that would run off the edge 
of the lifter. One can always get more lift by using a cam designed for 
a larger lifter.
Larry Young

On 2/4/2011 6:45 PM, Chip Collingwood wrote:
> This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
> not effect maximum lift...


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Feb  5 10:07:38 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 12:07:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Change of e-mail address
In-Reply-To: <91FDFE89A6314F63811ECC7F953596EB@HomePC>
References: <91FDFE89A6314F63811ECC7F953596EB@HomePC>
Message-ID: <8CD936E539EB8DE-1898-199AA@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com>

 address change for Bill.

congratulations on retirement....now the work really begins.








-----Original Message-----
From: Bill <weredinger at cox.net>
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Sent: Sat, Feb 5, 2011 10:53 am
Subject: Change of e-mail address








Due to my Retirement please   change my e-mail address:





William E Redinger PE

1014 N 127 Ave

Omaha NE 68154

402-496-2006



weredinger at cox.net



Thanks

Bill Redinger


From billb at bnj.com  Sat Feb  5 10:59:18 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 07:59:18 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Change of e-mail address
In-Reply-To: <8CD936E539EB8DE-1898-199AA@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com>
References: <91FDFE89A6314F63811ECC7F953596EB@HomePC>
	<8CD936E539EB8DE-1898-199AA@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C694BA3E-37B1-4C0C-A074-58942A0C5E68@bnj.com>

I'm really good at it, if you need any advice drop a note. Of course you need
to learn to surf.

On Feb 5, 2011, at 7:07 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:

> address change for Bill.
>
> congratulations on retirement....now the work really begins.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill <weredinger at cox.net>
> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
> Sent: Sat, Feb 5, 2011 10:53 am
> Subject: Change of e-mail address
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Due to my Retirement please   change my e-mail address:
>
>
>
>
>
> William E Redinger PE
>
> 1014 N 127 Ave
>
> Omaha NE 68154
>
> 402-496-2006
>
>
>
> weredinger at cox.net
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill Redinger
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From goodparts at verizon.net  Sat Feb  5 12:12:47 2011
From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good)
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 14:12:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4A question
Message-ID: <C2E7EE890B6D454D8EFEA3744375BEF4@AdminPC>

I am designing radiator shrouds for TR4, TR4A and TR250.  Can anyone tell me
where the coolant overflow bottle mounts on the TR4A?  The car I used for
patterning the shroud had the mounting tab of the bottle mounting bracket
sandwiched between the frame mounting pad and the radiator mount on the right
side.  This placed the bottle directly front of the radiator mounting bolt and
in the way of the right side of the OE shroud.  The side of the shroud had to
bend inward to pass the bottle.  I would like to confirm if this is the
correct placement of the bottle before designing the shroud around it.

Thanks,
Richard Good
Good Parts


From billb at bnj.com  Sat Feb  5 13:06:00 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 10:06:00 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <4D4D7947.5020009@pobox.com>
References: <380-2201126504527526@earthlink.net> <4D4D7947.5020009@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <EB6D7B99-2229-4FBD-A053-21A52A487ABE@bnj.com>

Okay, that one confused me. How do you get more lift using a cam designed for
a larger lifter. When the cam is at full lift on any lifter it is in the
center of the lifter. Are you saying you can use a higher lift cam that runs
off the edge of the lifter to get more lift?
Bill
On Feb 5, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Larry Young wrote:

> Chip, could you explain this?  How does a larger diameter lifter change the
valve timing?
>
> For the TR3/4 I've found that 99% of the available cams are designed using
the lowest common denominator for lifters.  In the US, the smallest common
lifter is the SBC at 0.842.  I've often wondered whether some of these grinds
find their way into Spitfire and TR6 engines with the 0.800 lifter.  The
result would be a cam that would run off the edge of the lifter. One can
always get more lift by using a cam designed for a larger lifter.
> Larry Young
>
> On 2/4/2011 6:45 PM, Chip Collingwood wrote:
>> This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
>> not effect maximum lift...
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Feb  5 13:53:45 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:53:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
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Message-ID: <663FF9C3EFE340C0914075716173CAFC@Vista>

Bill, 
The lifter diameter is typically sized for the amount of lift on the cam's
lobe.  If it is too small, the lobe will run off the edge and cause damage
to the cam.  So you must have a lifter properly sized for the cam itself.
This was the case with early Spitfire engines.  They had very small lifters.
Later when the cam was upgraded, they had to increase the size of the lifter
to keep pace with the cam upgrade.  Anybody who has an early Spitfire 1147
engine and wants to upgrade its performance would have run into this issue,
(Right Cary?)!

Joe

So, the cam itself dictates the lifter size not the other way.  It would be
like the tail wagging the dog.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:06 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore

Okay, that one confused me. How do you get more lift using a cam designed
for
a larger lifter. When the cam is at full lift on any lifter it is in the
center of the lifter. Are you saying you can use a higher lift cam that runs
off the edge of the lifter to get more lift?
Bill
On Feb 5, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Larry Young wrote:

> Chip, could you explain this?  How does a larger diameter lifter change
the
valve timing?
>
> For the TR3/4 I've found that 99% of the available cams are designed using
the lowest common denominator for lifters.  In the US, the smallest common
lifter is the SBC at 0.842.  I've often wondered whether some of these
grinds
find their way into Spitfire and TR6 engines with the 0.800 lifter.  The
result would be a cam that would run off the edge of the lifter. One can
always get more lift by using a cam designed for a larger lifter.
> Larry Young
>
> On 2/4/2011 6:45 PM, Chip Collingwood wrote:
>> This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
>> not effect maximum lift...
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sat Feb  5 14:05:20 2011
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:05:20 EST
Subject: [Fot] Chuckwalla
Message-ID: <18162.67d5374a.3a7f1590@aol.com>

Who's going to the new Chuckwalla Raceway?
 
So far I know myself, I think, and Ken Knight.
 
Paddock should be a mess, eh?


From kaskas at cox.net  Sat Feb  5 16:15:49 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 15:15:49 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <663FF9C3EFE340C0914075716173CAFC@Vista>
Message-ID: <20110205181549.H8SPJ.1110248.imail@fed1rmwml35>

I can't agree with you Joe or maybe I just misunderstand your meaning. The lifter is the object of attention when doing up a new cam.  Every engine I did and had cams made, ( all the Triumphs for 12 years) first requirement from the cam guys was "what is the diameter of the lifter", from this dimension we did the camshafts.
---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote: 
Bill, 
The lifter diameter is typically sized for the amount of lift on the cam's
lobe.  If it is too small, the lobe will run off the edge and cause damage
to the cam.  So you must have a lifter properly sized for the cam itself.
This was the case with early Spitfire engines.  They had very small lifters.
Later when the cam was upgraded, they had to increase the size of the lifter
to keep pace with the cam upgrade.  Anybody who has an early Spitfire 1147
engine and wants to upgrade its performance would have run into this issue,
(Right Cary?)!

Joe

So, the cam itself dictates the lifter size not the other way.  It would be
like the tail wagging the dog.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:06 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore

Okay, that one confused me. How do you get more lift using a cam designed
for
a larger lifter. When the cam is at full lift on any lifter it is in the
center of the lifter. Are you saying you can use a higher lift cam that runs
off the edge of the lifter to get more lift?
Bill
On Feb 5, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Larry Young wrote:

> Chip, could you explain this?  How does a larger diameter lifter change
the
valve timing?
>
> For the TR3/4 I've found that 99% of the available cams are designed using
the lowest common denominator for lifters.  In the US, the smallest common
lifter is the SBC at 0.842.  I've often wondered whether some of these
grinds
find their way into Spitfire and TR6 engines with the 0.800 lifter.  The
result would be a cam that would run off the edge of the lifter. One can
always get more lift by using a cam designed for a larger lifter.
> Larry Young
>
> On 2/4/2011 6:45 PM, Chip Collingwood wrote:
>> This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
>> not effect maximum lift...
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Feb  5 16:58:53 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:58:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <20110205181549.H8SPJ.1110248.imail@fed1rmwml35>
References: <663FF9C3EFE340C0914075716173CAFC@Vista>
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I think I said the same thing you did Kas.  The lifter size is directly
related to the lift of the cam lobe.  Yes, cam manufacturers ask about the
lifter size so they know how far they can go with the cam development.  But
as with the early 1147 engine, there are other work-arounds.  Triumph
increased the diameter of the lifter in order to go with a more radical cam
design.  Early engines have to have the lifter channels bored out to accept
the later (larger) lifters.  The Mk1 lifters were 11/16" and when the Mk2
came out with the improved cam, Triumph increased the size to 13/16".

Maybe my wording was not clear.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:16 PM
To: 'Bill Babcock'; Joe Curry; 'Larry Young'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore

I can't agree with you Joe or maybe I just misunderstand your meaning. The
lifter is the object of attention when doing up a new cam.  Every engine I
did and had cams made, ( all the Triumphs for 12 years) first requirement
from the cam guys was "what is the diameter of the lifter", from this
dimension we did the camshafts.
---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote: 
Bill, 
The lifter diameter is typically sized for the amount of lift on the cam's
lobe.  If it is too small, the lobe will run off the edge and cause damage
to the cam.  So you must have a lifter properly sized for the cam itself.
This was the case with early Spitfire engines.  They had very small lifters.
Later when the cam was upgraded, they had to increase the size of the lifter
to keep pace with the cam upgrade.  Anybody who has an early Spitfire 1147
engine and wants to upgrade its performance would have run into this issue,
(Right Cary?)!

Joe

So, the cam itself dictates the lifter size not the other way.  It would be
like the tail wagging the dog.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:06 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore

Okay, that one confused me. How do you get more lift using a cam designed
for
a larger lifter. When the cam is at full lift on any lifter it is in the
center of the lifter. Are you saying you can use a higher lift cam that runs
off the edge of the lifter to get more lift?
Bill
On Feb 5, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Larry Young wrote:

> Chip, could you explain this?  How does a larger diameter lifter change
the
valve timing?
>
> For the TR3/4 I've found that 99% of the available cams are designed using
the lowest common denominator for lifters.  In the US, the smallest common
lifter is the SBC at 0.842.  I've often wondered whether some of these
grinds
find their way into Spitfire and TR6 engines with the 0.800 lifter.  The
result would be a cam that would run off the edge of the lifter. One can
always get more lift by using a cam designed for a larger lifter.
> Larry Young
>
> On 2/4/2011 6:45 PM, Chip Collingwood wrote:
>> This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
>> not effect maximum lift...
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Feb  5 17:36:55 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:36:55 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <B7362518C6ED4F09A9EC155C08875296@Vista>
References: <663FF9C3EFE340C0914075716173CAFC@Vista><20110205181549.H8SPJ.1110248.imail@fed1rmwml35>
	<B7362518C6ED4F09A9EC155C08875296@Vista>
Message-ID: <009201cbc595$f4bac170$0301a8c0@randall>

> The lifter size 
> is directly
> related to the lift of the cam lobe. 

I believe it's more the rate of lift that is limited by the lifter diameter
(for flat lifters).  It certainly is an important part of the cam design;
but the primary limitation is how fast the cam can move the lifter (per
degree of rotation) rather than how far.

Larry has a good description (with drawings) at
http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Technical/CamDesign.html

-- Randall  


From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Sun Feb  6 06:21:07 2011
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (Chip Collingwood)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 08:21:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
Message-ID: <380-2201120613217557@earthlink.net>

Larry,

I miss spoke. The increased diameter would not change valve timing. It
would though give you the ability to increase the profile of the cam
without running off the edge...a good result for a full race
motor...expanding possibilities


> [Original Message]
> From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: 2/5/2011 11:22:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
>
> Chip, could you explain this?  How does a larger diameter lifter change 
> the valve timing?
>
> For the TR3/4 I've found that 99% of the available cams are designed 
> using the lowest common denominator for lifters.  In the US, the 
> smallest common lifter is the SBC at 0.842.  I've often wondered whether 
> some of these grinds find their way into Spitfire and TR6 engines with 
> the 0.800 lifter.  The result would be a cam that would run off the edge 
> of the lifter. One can always get more lift by using a cam designed for 
> a larger lifter.
> Larry Young
>
> On 2/4/2011 6:45 PM, Chip Collingwood wrote:
> > This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
> > not effect maximum lift...
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From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:21:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <171471.25846.qm@web180312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

.Believe in magic pills! http://abenrs.com.br/2011.php?topic=0290 .


From kaskas at cox.net  Sat Feb  5 18:01:53 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:01:53 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <B7362518C6ED4F09A9EC155C08875296@Vista>
Message-ID: <20110205200153.E65Z1.544061.imail@fed1rmwml4201>

I remember well the tiny lifter in the first Spitfire engines.  I had to deal with it, successfully I might add. 



---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote: 
I think I said the same thing you did Kas.  The lifter size is directly
related to the lift of the cam lobe.  Yes, cam manufacturers ask about the
lifter size so they know how far they can go with the cam development.  But
as with the early 1147 engine, there are other work-arounds.  Triumph
increased the diameter of the lifter in order to go with a more radical cam
design.  Early engines have to have the lifter channels bored out to accept
the later (larger) lifters.  The Mk1 lifters were 11/16" and when the Mk2
came out with the improved cam, Triumph increased the size to 13/16".

Maybe my wording was not clear.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:16 PM
To: 'Bill Babcock'; Joe Curry; 'Larry Young'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore

I can't agree with you Joe or maybe I just misunderstand your meaning. The
lifter is the object of attention when doing up a new cam.  Every engine I
did and had cams made, ( all the Triumphs for 12 years) first requirement
from the cam guys was "what is the diameter of the lifter", from this
dimension we did the camshafts.
---- Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote: 
Bill, 
The lifter diameter is typically sized for the amount of lift on the cam's
lobe.  If it is too small, the lobe will run off the edge and cause damage
to the cam.  So you must have a lifter properly sized for the cam itself.
This was the case with early Spitfire engines.  They had very small lifters.
Later when the cam was upgraded, they had to increase the size of the lifter
to keep pace with the cam upgrade.  Anybody who has an early Spitfire 1147
engine and wants to upgrade its performance would have run into this issue,
(Right Cary?)!

Joe

So, the cam itself dictates the lifter size not the other way.  It would be
like the tail wagging the dog.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:06 PM
To: Larry Young
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore

Okay, that one confused me. How do you get more lift using a cam designed
for
a larger lifter. When the cam is at full lift on any lifter it is in the
center of the lifter. Are you saying you can use a higher lift cam that runs
off the edge of the lifter to get more lift?
Bill
On Feb 5, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Larry Young wrote:

> Chip, could you explain this?  How does a larger diameter lifter change
the
valve timing?
>
> For the TR3/4 I've found that 99% of the available cams are designed using
the lowest common denominator for lifters.  In the US, the smallest common
lifter is the SBC at 0.842.  I've often wondered whether some of these
grinds
find their way into Spitfire and TR6 engines with the 0.800 lifter.  The
result would be a cam that would run off the edge of the lifter. One can
always get more lift by using a cam designed for a larger lifter.
> Larry Young
>
> On 2/4/2011 6:45 PM, Chip Collingwood wrote:
>> This mod will open and close the valve sooner but will
>> not effect maximum lift...
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Feb  6 12:28:56 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 13:28:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <009201cbc595$f4bac170$0301a8c0@randall>
References: <663FF9C3EFE340C0914075716173CAFC@Vista><20110205181549.H8SPJ.1110248.imail@fed1rmwml35>
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It is usually the cam that is designed for the lifter, not the other way 
around.  As Randall said, the rate of lift or the slope of the lift 
curve can be greater with a larger lifter.  If you can make the rate of 
lift greater, you can get more lift, which is a good thing.
Larry

On 2/5/2011 6:36 PM, Randall wrote:
>> The lifter size
>> is directly
>> related to the lift of the cam lobe.
> I believe it's more the rate of lift that is limited by the lifter diameter
> (for flat lifters).  It certainly is an important part of the cam design;
> but the primary limitation is how fast the cam can move the lifter (per
> degree of rotation) rather than how far.
>
> Larry has a good description (with drawings) at
> http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Technical/CamDesign.html
>
> -- Randall
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From john at race-dogs.com  Sun Feb  6 13:28:19 2011
From: john at race-dogs.com (John Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:28:19 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Chuckwalla
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References: <18162.67d5374a.3a7f1590@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001101cbc63c$64a42ed0$2dec8c70$@com>

Steve-
No worries about the Paddock- Will it be a little tight?- Yes! Will it be a
mess no!
Paul and Kim as the race chairs have be working hard and have gone out to
the track last week to get the parking arrangement setup up, so all will
have a 20x57 space- It will be a organized parking structure, unlike what we
are normally use too-  So if would like to have those who you normally park
next to you there, just request it and it should not be a problem- It would
be great if you had a HARD number when the first of your group arrives so
you all can work together-

Thanks-

JW

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Behalf Of Gt6steve at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:05 PM
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Chuckwalla

Who's going to the new Chuckwalla Raceway?
 
So far I know myself, I think, and Ken Knight.
 
Paddock should be a mess, eh?
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Feb  6 13:46:19 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 13:46:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
In-Reply-To: <4D4EF678.1030601@pobox.com>
References: <663FF9C3EFE340C0914075716173CAFC@Vista><20110205181549.H8SPJ.1110248.imail@fed1rmwml35><B7362518C6ED4F09A9EC155C08875296@Vista><009201cbc595$f4bac170$0301a8c0@randall>
	<4D4EF678.1030601@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <A5EE01FB604841CE9E88E27E6C2BBC1D@Vista>

I think the truest thing that can be said (at least in the initial engine
design) is that the two are designed in tandem.  Most likely the designer
figured out what sort of cam he wanted and made sure that the lifter
diameter was appropriate.

After that, all bets are off because of the limits of what you can do in
terms of lifter size.  Thankfully, the Mk1 Spit engines had enough metal to
bore the channel in order to install larger lifters.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Larry Young
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 12:29 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore

It is usually the cam that is designed for the lifter, not the other way 
around.  As Randall said, the rate of lift or the slope of the lift 
curve can be greater with a larger lifter.  If you can make the rate of 
lift greater, you can get more lift, which is a good thing.
Larry


From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Sun Feb  6 16:34:22 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 09:34:22 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
Message-ID: <AANLkTikrUGmv=Rb7Vjmv7drqbTmXLyZStL77iC4mBp1-@mail.gmail.com>

the problem is mostly the acceleration rate (profile) of the cam, not the
max lift per-se. as the cam rotates, the shape of cam lobe is designed not
to dig into the edge of the lifter (or vice versa). this is called
edge-riding and is a very common problem when upgrading modern OHC engines
where everything is designed to work perfectly, with zero room for change.

to check this out, put some engineers blue on the face of the lifter and
rotate the cam. it is OK, if a thin blue edge remains around the
circumference of the lifter. if the cam wipes it off totally, thats not
right. the cam and the lifter are scraping (not riding). eventually, the cam
wears the sharp edge off the lifter and/or the cam lobe wears away; neither
being good

the cam designer can mathematically determine the profile from the lifter
diameter, thats why its his first question

Terry O'Beirne


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Sun Feb  6 19:59:18 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:59:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Neat website with brochures
Message-ID: <54008.7174.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This is a cool trip down memory lane, found a few of my old cars, kind of
brings a tear to my eyes, wish i still had a couple of them.
A website featuring the original factory brochures for nearly every American
car you have ever owned. Pick the manufacturer, the year and the model.
Enjoy!
 
Note also check out the miscellaneous section very interesting!!
 < http://www.lov2xlr8.no/broch1.html


From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Feb  6 20:51:30 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 19:51:30 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Neat website with brochures
References: <54008.7174.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2D305FBBF96B46D58C6302A6F40044A0@Bud>

Thanks Ed..!..Terrific Stuff!...
Racer bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 6:59 PM
Subject: [Fot] Neat website with brochures


> This is a cool trip down memory lane, found a few of my old cars, kind of
> brings a tear to my eyes, wish i still had a couple of them.
> A website featuring the original factory brochures for nearly every 
> American
> car you have ever owned. Pick the manufacturer, the year and the model.
> Enjoy!
>
> Note also check out the miscellaneous section very interesting!!
> < http://www.lov2xlr8.no/broch1.html
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From igofaster at att.net  Sun Feb  6 20:53:23 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 19:53:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] sometimes it runs, and then...
Message-ID: <861578.89506.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Still working the bugs out of my GT6 re-build from last September. Spent 
November at TWS working all weekend long trying to get the car 'dialed in'. I 
was registering either no temp on an EGR meter or all about way too hot on both 
EGT meters. I've rebuilt a new intake manifold and just got my carb's back this 
month from Joe Curto who prepared them when the car was first built. I suspected 
faulty temp probes or EGT guage so I ordered a new set from Pegasus.  I also 
bought a couple of nice Kas designed velocity stacks and filters from Joe... all 
looks so very nice...
The leads must have been faulty because today when I started the car initially, 
all the temps were in the lower scale, good! Then... the car dies. It did this 
the other day. Runs, and then just dies. I check the coil the other day by 
trying to short the lead when firing... nothing,, nothing,, the spark... the car 
fired up.
Same thing tonight, starts right up, runs for about a minute, then dies,,, no 
spark at the coil. I have two MSD 6A's and two MSD coil blasters.. the car did 
this about a year ago at TWS and I changed out the MSD 6A and the ran. I sent 
the old 6A to the factory and it came back 'BENCH TESTED GOOD, NO FAULTS' ...  
so... I'm not an electrical engineer, what am I missing.. I think I'll try to 
look at the switches tomorrow and see if there is something loose there... any 
ideas why I'm having intermittent problems guys?

Bobby Whitehead
#39 DP Triumph GT6+ CVAR Group 7

sponsored by www.toolsandjewels.com
       The Pawn Star of CVAR

too cheesy? 


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Feb  7 00:17:07 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:17:07 +0100
Subject: [Fot] sometimes it runs, and then...
In-Reply-To: <861578.89506.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <861578.89506.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000301cbc697$09cf6820$1d6e3860$@com>

Seems that this issue is heat related.
The MSD 6a can be point trigger. If you use points check these or replace
them.
Also these high output coils do like to fail. The coil expand from heat and
when the isolation is not perfect coil binding can happen.
I would start there.
You also could switch over to a simple Pertronix and see what happens.

Cheers
Chris

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Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Bobby Whitehead
Gesendet: Montag, 7. Februar 2011 04:53
An: FoT Triumph
Cc: George Curl; Bill Haga
Betreff: [Fot] sometimes it runs, and then...

Still working the bugs out of my GT6 re-build from last September. Spent
November at TWS working all weekend long trying to get the car 'dialed in'.
I
was registering either no temp on an EGR meter or all about way too hot on
both
EGT meters. I've rebuilt a new intake manifold and just got my carb's back
this
month from Joe Curto who prepared them when the car was first built. I
suspected
faulty temp probes or EGT guage so I ordered a new set from Pegasus.  I also

bought a couple of nice Kas designed velocity stacks and filters from Joe...
all
looks so very nice...
The leads must have been faulty because today when I started the car
initially,
all the temps were in the lower scale, good! Then... the car dies. It did
this
the other day. Runs, and then just dies. I check the coil the other day by
trying to short the lead when firing... nothing,, nothing,, the spark... the
car
fired up.
Same thing tonight, starts right up, runs for about a minute, then dies,,,
no
spark at the coil. I have two MSD 6A's and two MSD coil blasters.. the car
did
this about a year ago at TWS and I changed out the MSD 6A and the ran. I
sent
the old 6A to the factory and it came back 'BENCH TESTED GOOD, NO FAULTS'
...
so... I'm not an electrical engineer, what am I missing.. I think I'll try
to
look at the switches tomorrow and see if there is something loose there...
any
ideas why I'm having intermittent problems guys?

Bobby Whitehead
#39 DP Triumph GT6+ CVAR Group 7

sponsored by www.toolsandjewels.com
       The Pawn Star of CVAR

too cheesy?
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From henry at henryfrye.com  Mon Feb  7 04:33:41 2011
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 06:33:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca details posted!
Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050D2DEB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local>

Details on our 2011 Kastner Cup event are posted on our website.

http://fot-racing.com/feature/2011ls/

Your webmaster


From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Feb  7 07:09:52 2011
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:09:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Weber 40 DOCE on an 1147 Spitfire?
Message-ID: <001601cbc6d0$b1280bc0$13782340$@aero>

Is anybody running a sidedraft 40 DOCE on a 1147 Spitfire?

If so and you send me photos of your linkage set-up?

I have been given a 40 DOCE on the correct manifold for my 1147 but it lacks
the linkages and cables.   I am looking for some advice on how to install
and set it up, so any knowledge with respect to jetting will also be
appreciated.

Thanks!


Robert MacKenzie
President, Hill Country Triumph Club
president at hillcountrytriumphclub.org
www.hillcountrytriumphclub.org


From jkhagen at charter.net  Mon Feb  7 08:13:42 2011
From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 10:13:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Oversize lifter bore
Message-ID: <1138795019.9439977.1297091628061.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>

Way to go Terry---Lifter diameter is dictated by the "ramp angle"--
First [FOT] rookie question-TR-4 built 1968--it as a positraction rear--
any easy way to ID it Detriot-or Salisbury?  Thanks,  John Hagen


On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:

> the problem is mostly the acceleration rate (profile) of the cam, not 
> the
> max lift per-se. as the cam rotates, the shape of cam lobe is designed 
> not
> to dig into the edge of the lifter (or vice versa). this is called
> edge-riding and is a very common problem when upgrading modern OHC 
> engines
> where everything is designed to work perfectly, with zero room for 
> change.
>
> to check this out, put some engineers blue on the face of the lifter 
> and
> rotate the cam. it is OK, if a thin blue edge remains around the
> circumference of the lifter. if the cam wipes it off totally, thats 
> not
> right. the cam and the lifter are scraping (not riding). eventually, 
> the cam
> wears the sharp edge off the lifter and/or the cam lobe wears away; 
> neither
> being good
>
> the cam designer can mathematically determine the profile from the 
> lifter
> diameter, thats why its his first question
>
> Terry O'Beirne
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Feb  7 08:59:37 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 07:59:37 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Coolant routing, TR6 race engine
References: <834427.90849.qm@web114701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B3914982FAC34BADBE3307E4D9CF8252@Charly>

Jamie, I'm not sure if you got your answer, but I do on my racecar run a 
pipe from the back of the head where the heater valve attaches to the water 
pump housing.  This will assure that you get adequate flow through the head.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jamie Palmer" <tr6driver at yahoo.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 10:57 AM
Subject: [Fot] Coolant routing, TR6 race engine


> >From your resident ChumpCar team, we have the silly question of the 
> >day...
>
> We
> know we need to NOT run the hot water through the intake manifold while
> racing...right?  Isn't that just for cold weather driveability (not much 
> of a
> concern on the race car...)  So do we just block both ends, or is that 
> flow
> path
> crucial to engine cooling and we need to run a hose anyway?  Yes, we are
> running
> two stock strombergs, we don't have a choice...for now...
>
> Thanks for
> answering our series of silly questions.  We're reinstalling the
> engine
> (built with the finest used parts, apart from gaskets, seals and freeze
> plugs, that we can find...again, it's in the rules...) this weekend and
> figured
> we'd better get an answer...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jamie Palmer
> Squadron Leader
> RiffRAF Racing
> 1975 TR6 ChumpCar
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Feb  7 10:56:24 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 09:56:24 -0800
Subject: [Fot] patches
Message-ID: <B4F6A2DB1F31480BA8A75AAB1F47BB56@Bud>

Hi Gary...I received the patches today..Terrific!...Thanks for taking the time
and effort to do this.
Racer Bud..Sitfire #21


From REK46 at aol.com  Mon Feb  7 11:27:21 2011
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 13:27:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] patches
Message-ID: <5af23.3e9beb5f.3a819389@aol.com>

are there more patches left?
 
 
In a message dated 2/7/2011 1:23:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
budscars at comcast.net writes:

Hi  Gary...I received the patches today..Terrific!...Thanks for taking the  
time
and effort to do this.
Racer Bud..Sitfire  #21
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From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Mon Feb  7 19:11:57 2011
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 20:11:57 -0600
Subject: [Fot] solid graphite intake/exhaust
In-Reply-To: <247c4.4fef2a2d.39e74507@aol.com>
References: <247c4.4fef2a2d.39e74507@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001cbc735$909f3c60$b1ddb520$@rr.com>

Do you still have these intake/exhaust gaskets for the TR3/4 motor?  What
are the benefits costs.

Thanks,

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:23 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Copper head gasket source?

Need source for all-copper head gasket and solid graphite intake/exhaust  
gaskets
 
Dave Spiwak spiwakd at aol.com
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Feb  7 20:08:13 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 21:08:13 -0600
Subject: [Fot] solid graphite intake/exhaust
In-Reply-To: <000001cbc735$909f3c60$b1ddb520$@rr.com>
References: <247c4.4fef2a2d.39e74507@aol.com>
	<000001cbc735$909f3c60$b1ddb520$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <20110208030819.C5CA218764A@autox.team.net>

I've got a few of the solid graphite intake / exhaust gaskets for the 
high port head.  It's all I use - Jack used to sell them.

They are probably 3/16" thick (or so), and they are compressible so 
they seal where none of the other gaskets will seal.  If the normal 
gaskets work, you don't need these.  If you have a slightly warped 
header or just have problems sealing the header (or intake for that 
manifold), these are the fix.  They are not reusable, and they're not 
exactly cheap, but sure cheaper than a new header.

I can do $70 including shipping in the continental US - the last 
batch I had made was less expensive than last time around (maybe I 
ordered more?).

- Tony Drews

At 08:11 PM 2/7/2011, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:
>Do you still have these intake/exhaust gaskets for the TR3/4 motor?  What
>are the benefits costs.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Greg
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com
>Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:23 PM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Copper head gasket source?
>
>Need source for all-copper head gasket and solid graphite intake/exhaust
>gaskets
>
>Dave Spiwak spiwakd at aol.com


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Feb  7 20:15:11 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 19:15:11 -0800
Subject: [Fot] are FOT messages getting through?
Message-ID: <E0C8DCC766D7485F8870B3D7DC6544D7@Bud>

Is anyone experiencing problems regarding receipt/sending of messages to
members?..
RB


From mlcooknj at msn.com  Tue Feb  8 09:27:25 2011
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 11:27:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: Mike My new E-mail adress to use in the VTR Mag.
In-Reply-To: <5363754CE7FD477997B138F175B2E7B4@HomePC>
References: <E1PmTDq-00039p-3m@vps4063.inmotionhosting.com>,
	<5363754CE7FD477997B138F175B2E7B4@HomePC>
Message-ID: <BAY147-w36E323884EB1576034E0FBC8EA0@phx.gbl>

To all FOT. See Bill Redinger new e-mail addres below. The previous one no
longer works.

>
> Mike, please change my e-mail address to weredinger at cox.net since my
> retirement.  Bill


From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Feb  8 11:00:56 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 10:00:56 -0800
Subject: [Fot] FOT BADGE
Message-ID: <D3D60E88D9B34BF3BE32DF4FF3CB5979@Bud>

Hi Chris....I received the badge today...WOW...now I know what the guys meant
when they said it's too nice to put on the grille....Absolutely Beautiful
Work.....
Thanks for everything!
Racer Bud...Spitfire #21


From jfrymark at aol.com  Tue Feb  8 14:17:21 2011
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 13:17:21 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 TR6 suspension question
Message-ID: <F1528F3B-A7DF-4F44-BE2F-6F4213BB2595@aol.com>

In the recent Classic Motorsports comparison of Sam Halkias' and the  
Group 44 TR6, the latter is listed as having Eibach springs. Anyone  
able to shed light on this? Did Eibach make TR dimensioned springs in  
the period or is there a trick mod to adapt a current offering to fit?  
I am especially interested in the rears to have readily available and  
lower cost options than custom-mades

John Frymark


From adcronin at mi.rr.com  Tue Feb  8 16:50:55 2011
From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 18:50:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Front Suspension, shims
Message-ID: <4AD0855F-B9B8-42CC-AB83-388F55ACB79A@mi.rr.com>

Does anyone have information on just how much one shim will change the camber
in the TR6 front suspension---assume a start point of +/- 0 degrees, add one
ship and you get ______what fraction of a degree negative camber.  Am
wondering how many shims should I should start with when setting up the bare
chassis---which is leveled fore and aft, port and starboard.
Thanks for any information you can shard.
Dan


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Feb  8 17:02:40 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 19:02:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 TR6 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <F1528F3B-A7DF-4F44-BE2F-6F4213BB2595@aol.com>
References: <F1528F3B-A7DF-4F44-BE2F-6F4213BB2595@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1102081857430.648@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I've looked at that suspension quite a bit.

Gp 44 / Bill Warner installed some spring buckets to the upper spring 
perch - I forget if they use jacking screws or not, but the bucket is 
sized for 2.5" springs (or some stock dimension spring)

That's pretty much it.

They then use some really, really hefty shocks (telescoping type) mounted 
to the roll cage and to the stock lower mounting ear on the trailing arm. 
NOTE: YOU NEED GUSSETS ON THE TRAILING ARMS!!!

I probably have pix somewhere. ;-)

regards,
rml
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  8 19:09:04 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 21:09:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] paging Bill Tobin
Message-ID: <BLU156-w84D40C802F499C4831B7FBAED0@phx.gbl>

Bill, shoot me an email. Yours keeps bouncing back.

Marty Sukey


From adcronin at mi.rr.com  Tue Feb  8 20:06:58 2011
From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 22:06:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Test---
Message-ID: <137F7EA0-D281-43B1-A996-A15A46B4FB20@mi.rr.com>

My attempts to get out a question keep coming back:  with the following:
			-Results
			  Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts

			-Unprocessed"
			 
Anyone have any hints?


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Feb  8 21:11:29 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 23:11:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] paging Bill Tobin
In-Reply-To: <BLU156-w84D40C802F499C4831B7FBAED0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU156-w84D40C802F499C4831B7FBAED0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CD96268F8E7968-1C38-10A1F@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>

 I got a call from Bill.....he has no computer, as it retired when he did.

He IS preparing is car to run at Laguna Seca.

Joe A.








-----Original Message-----
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 8:09 pm
Subject: [Fot] paging Bill Tobin


Bill, shoot me an email. Yours keeps bouncing back.



Marty Sukey

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Feb  8 21:13:30 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 23:13:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Test---
In-Reply-To: <137F7EA0-D281-43B1-A996-A15A46B4FB20@mi.rr.com>
References: <137F7EA0-D281-43B1-A996-A15A46B4FB20@mi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8CD9626D81F0264-1C38-10A85@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>

 Is it one one those 'too long' messages.








-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Cronin <adcronin at mi.rr.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 9:06 pm
Subject: [Fot] Test---


My attempts to get out a question keep coming back:  with the following:

            -Results

              Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts



            -Unprocessed"



Anyone have any hints?

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From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Feb  8 22:38:59 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 22:38:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Test---
In-Reply-To: <8CD9626D81F0264-1C38-10A85@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>
References: <137F7EA0-D281-43B1-A996-A15A46B4FB20@mi.rr.com>
	<8CD9626D81F0264-1C38-10A85@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8241C30B5B2A4FAF90F939377EE4AB76@Vista>

Either that or a mime is stuck inside one of those invisible boxes!  :)

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 9:14 PM
To: adcronin at mi.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Test---

 Is it one one those 'too long' messages.








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To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 9:06 pm
Subject: [Fot] Test---


My attempts to get out a question keep coming back:  with the following:

            -Results

              Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts



            -Unprocessed"



Anyone have any hints?

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From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Feb  9 00:59:47 2011
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 07:59:47 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 TR6 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <F1528F3B-A7DF-4F44-BE2F-6F4213BB2595@aol.com>
References: <F1528F3B-A7DF-4F44-BE2F-6F4213BB2595@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinQDNnBmoT7D+Lg2LVMth5Taa_tFsYr8wKyVKV-@mail.gmail.com>

I have bought a set of similar springs [forget the brand, but a
competitor].  They are too narrow in diameter to fit the TR, so  had some
mouts machined to hold them [since they are shorter than stock there was
room for it.  Glad to pass along the e-machine shop file I created.  I got 4
made [for the front] as I had already rigged up something o the rear.  Cost
was about $200 -- but a group order of a larger quantity could significantly
lower the costs [I am willing to do that, place a group order, but am out of
the country till June, so delivery would be difficult].

After talking to a particularly fast TR6 guy [white TR6 #7 whom I sure most
of you know], I raised my spring weights to 800 pounds in the rear [8" tall
springs] and 600 in the front [6" tall, but the spacers add an inch top and
bottom.

As an alternative, Ted Schumaker [TSI Automotive] told me he could deiver TR
diameter springs in whatever length and poundage you want.

Chuck

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 9:17 PM, John Frymark <jfrymark at aol.com> wrote:

> In the recent Classic Motorsports comparison of Sam Halkias' and the Group
> 44 TR6, the latter is listed as having Eibach springs. Anyone able to shed
> light on this? Did Eibach make TR dimensioned springs in the period or is
> there a trick mod to adapt a current offering to fit? I am especially
> interested in the rears to have readily available and lower cost options
> than custom-mades
>
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From adcronin at mi.rr.com  Wed Feb  9 07:12:08 2011
From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 09:12:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Shim Packs
Message-ID: <AB931B98-A2C4-4CA8-A3E8-6D2A06D98B9E@mi.rr.com>

2/9
Will try re sending this after a failed attempt last evening.  Does anyone
have information on how many shims to start with in setting up the TR6 front
suspension?  Also, just what fraction of a degree of movement one shim results
in?
Thanks for any input you can provide.
Dan


From goodparts at verizon.net  Wed Feb  9 09:25:38 2011
From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 11:25:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Shim Packs
In-Reply-To: <AB931B98-A2C4-4CA8-A3E8-6D2A06D98B9E@mi.rr.com>
References: <AB931B98-A2C4-4CA8-A3E8-6D2A06D98B9E@mi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <DA3E7B9E061A4913A2C40EF199EEFCC9@AdminPC>

Dan,

I would not trust any general rule for number of shims.  For initial 
setting, sit the frame on jack stands and shim it till it is level.  Then 
with the spring out, position the suspension at your best guess of normal 
ride height.  You can calculate from frame to ground clearance or spindle to 
fender height or whatever reference you have.  Then shim the suspension to 
get the desired camber angle measured on the face of the hub.  Harbor 
freight sells a magnetic, digital angle gauge for $30 that works nicely.

I figured out the camber change per shim a while ago.  If I remember 
correctly both lower brackets had to move about 3/16" to change one degree. 
That is three shims on each bracket.  Or 4 on one and 2 on the other if you 
need to change castor.  So I guess you could say a total of 6 shims for one 
degree or 1/6 degree per shim.

Regards,
Richard Good
Good Parts

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Cronin" <adcronin at mi.rr.com>
To: "FOT List" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 9:12 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Shim Packs


> 2/9
> Will try re sending this after a failed attempt last evening.  Does anyone
> have information on how many shims to start with in setting up the TR6 
> front
> suspension?  Also, just what fraction of a degree of movement one shim 
> results
> in?
> Thanks for any input you can provide.
> Dan
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Feb  9 09:32:50 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 16:32:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Shim Packs
In-Reply-To: <AB931B98-A2C4-4CA8-A3E8-6D2A06D98B9E@mi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1152870902.183053.1297269170078.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Dan,



On the TR4 I started out with max shim pack ( bolts max'd ) which gave me -3.4
degrees.

Before Topeka I took out two shims to get back .3 degrees leaving -3.1.

I'll probably go back to the -3.4 and just flip the tires every few weekends.

-3.4 front & -2.7 rear the car is neutral.



Jim g




----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Cronin" <adcronin at mi.rr.com>
To: "FOT List" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2011 7:12:08 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Shim Packs

2/9
Will try re sending this after a failed attempt last evening. B Does anyone
have information on how many shims to start with in setting up the TR6 front
suspension? B Also, just what fraction of a degree of movement one shim
results
in?
Thanks for any input you can provide.
Dan
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Feb  9 14:03:12 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 15:03:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Shim Packs
In-Reply-To: <DA3E7B9E061A4913A2C40EF199EEFCC9@AdminPC>
References: <AB931B98-A2C4-4CA8-A3E8-6D2A06D98B9E@mi.rr.com>
	<DA3E7B9E061A4913A2C40EF199EEFCC9@AdminPC>
Message-ID: <4D530110.4050602@pobox.com>

I think the basic geometry is the same as for a TR3.  I was curious to 
see how well 3/16 agrees with the number in the little report I wrote -  
http://www.tildentechnologies.com/downloads/TRsuspension.PDF. The 
formula gives a 0.174 in/deg, which is very close to 3/16.  I was 
rereading that stuff I did back when I reworked the suspension on my 
TR3.  It's been so long I don't even understand what I wrote, so it's no 
wonder no one else does.  It does have accurate numbers for the geometry 
measurements though, so it could save time for anyone wanting to look at 
suspension mods.
Larry

On 2/9/2011 10:25 AM, Richard Good wrote:
> Dan,
>
> I would not trust any general rule for number of shims.  For initial 
> setting, sit the frame on jack stands and shim it till it is level.  
> Then with the spring out, position the suspension at your best guess 
> of normal ride height.  You can calculate from frame to ground 
> clearance or spindle to fender height or whatever reference you have.  
> Then shim the suspension to get the desired camber angle measured on 
> the face of the hub.  Harbor freight sells a magnetic, digital angle 
> gauge for $30 that works nicely.
>
> I figured out the camber change per shim a while ago.  If I remember 
> correctly both lower brackets had to move about 3/16" to change one 
> degree. That is three shims on each bracket.  Or 4 on one and 2 on the 
> other if you need to change castor.  So I guess you could say a total 
> of 6 shims for one degree or 1/6 degree per shim.
>
> Regards,
> Richard Good
> Good Parts
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Cronin" <adcronin at mi.rr.com>
> To: "FOT List" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 9:12 AM
> Subject: [Fot] TR6 Shim Packs
>
>
>> 2/9
>> Will try re sending this after a failed attempt last evening.  Does 
>> anyone
>> have information on how many shims to start with in setting up the 
>> TR6 front
>> suspension?  Also, just what fraction of a degree of movement one 
>> shim results
>> in?
>> Thanks for any input you can provide.
>> Dan
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Feb  9 21:25:20 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 21:25:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Test---
In-Reply-To: <137F7EA0-D281-43B1-A996-A15A46B4FB20@mi.rr.com>
References: <137F7EA0-D281-43B1-A996-A15A46B4FB20@mi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4D5368B0.7070400@bradakis.com>

Dan Cronin wrote:
> My attempts to get out a question keep coming back:  with the following:
> 			-Results
> 			  Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts
>
> 			-Unprocessed"
> 			
> Anyone have any hints?
>
>    

To what address are you sending these requests?

mjb.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Feb  9 21:53:15 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 23:53:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TOLY ARUTUNOFF  INJURED
Message-ID: <8CD96F58FAD8318-1D80-3DC7@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com>

 Tony Adamowicz reports that Toly  was injured helping a stranded motorist in
a snow storm resulting in the amputation of a leg.

Some of you may have seen Toly at the TOPEKA event as he joined us there last
August.

Joe A.


From ac at camoletti.ch  Thu Feb 10 04:57:17 2011
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 12:57:17 +0100
Subject: [Fot] SU smaller floats
Message-ID: <003f01cbc919$aa6b1160$ff413420$@camoletti.ch>

Amici !

Did anyone try the trick of fitting the smaller float in the H6 fuel chamber
(float size 1.5''instead of the regular 1 7/8'' ) taken from the H1 and H2?

This trick increases the quantity of fuel in the chamber.

Let me know your thought or experience, as the case may be!

Thank you !

Cheers!

Alex


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Feb 10 05:25:42 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:25:42 +0100
Subject: [Fot] SU smaller floats
In-Reply-To: <003f01cbc919$aa6b1160$ff413420$@camoletti.ch>
References: <003f01cbc919$aa6b1160$ff413420$@camoletti.ch>
Message-ID: <001b01cbc91d$a36fd180$ea4f7480$@com>

Hi Alex,

wof|r sollte das gut sein?

Gr|_e
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Alexandre Camoletti
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011 12:57
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] SU smaller floats

Amici !

Did anyone try the trick of fitting the smaller float in the H6 fuel chamber
(float size 1.5''instead of the regular 1 7/8'' ) taken from the H1 and H2?

This trick increases the quantity of fuel in the chamber.

Let me know your thought or experience, as the case may be!

Thank you !

Cheers!

Alex
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Feb 10 05:39:29 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:39:29 +0100
Subject: [Fot] SU smaller floats
In-Reply-To: <004501cbc91f$308039b0$9180ad10$@camoletti.ch>
References: <003f01cbc919$aa6b1160$ff413420$@camoletti.ch>
	<001b01cbc91d$a36fd180$ea4f7480$@com>
	<004501cbc91f$308039b0$9180ad10$@camoletti.ch>
Message-ID: <001c01cbc91f$91a3c770$b4eb5650$@com>

A smaller float might not be strong enough to shut the needle valve?

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Alexandre Camoletti [mailto:ac at camoletti.ch]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011 13:37
An: 'MadMarx'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] SU smaller floats

Idea is to get more fuel available to the jet and no shortage of fuel supply
or leaner mixture as level is dropping in the chamber at full gas.
Kas at the time drilled the needle seat to a larger bore.
Now they make large .125'' bores (SU ref VZX1090)

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Alexandre Camoletti [mailto:ac at camoletti.ch]
Envoyi : jeudi 10 fivrier 2011 13:28
@ : 'MadMarx'
Objet : RE: [Fot] SU smaller floats

Dann gibt es mehr Volum fuer Benzin im Kammer.

-----Message d'origine-----
De : MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Envoyi : jeudi 10 fivrier
2011 13:26 @ : 'Alexandre Camoletti'; fot at autox.team.net Objet : AW: [Fot]
SU smaller floats

Hi Alex,

wof|r sollte das gut sein?

Gr|_e
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Alexandre Camoletti
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011 12:57
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] SU smaller floats

Amici !

Did anyone try the trick of fitting the smaller float in the H6 fuel chamber
(float size 1.5''instead of the regular 1 7/8'' ) taken from the H1 and H2?

This trick increases the quantity of fuel in the chamber.

Let me know your thought or experience, as the case may be!

Thank you !

Cheers!

Alex
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From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 10 05:56:45 2011
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 07:56:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TOLY ARUTUNOFF  INJURED
In-Reply-To: <8CD96F58FAD8318-1D80-3DC7@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD96F58FAD8318-1D80-3DC7@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <SNT136-w40B9D5045DC6813BA7AAAFF9EC0@phx.gbl>

>From an email I received. An excerpt from Karen Arutunoff's Facebook page:

Prayers=Miracles, God's way of saying I'm here and I love all my children as
if each was an only child. I have now spoken with the attending physician and
the good news is Toly is stable, talking. His right leg is gone and his left
is shattered. They have not attended to the left leg in light of the trauma of
the accident. They are keeping a close eye on him for any changes in intensive
care as it has only been a matter of hours since the accident and he has
multiple injuries. His blood pressure is good, pulse good, kidneys not good.
Seems he was parked on the side of I40 in Amarillo in the blizzard helping a
man whose car had spun out and was stuck. Another car came along and T-boned
an exposed Toly and drove off. Because of the cold the blood loss was not as
severe as it could have/should have been. The leg was instantly gone. The only
surgery that was performed was to close the wound. Amarillo is closed for
business due to the blizzard but a prayer team from a church in Texas is going
to the trauma center to be with him. Another Amarillo angel is going to Best
Buy and getting a cell phone so I can speak to him. He thinks I am his
girlfriend. Can't remember being married when questioned. I have chosen to be
flattered. This is long road we are on but I will get to Amarillo w Trace as
soon as the weather allows. God has already gotten us this far. I know he will
take us the rest of the way. Bless you all. Your prayers produce miracles.
Please don't stop!

Sam Halkias



> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 23:53:15 -0500
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> Subject: [Fot] TOLY ARUTUNOFF INJURED
>
> Tony Adamowicz reports that Toly was injured helping a stranded motorist in
> a snow storm resulting in the amputation of a leg.
>
> Some of you may have seen Toly at the TOPEKA event as he joined us there
last
> August.
>
> Joe A.
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Feb 10 09:17:50 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:17:50 EST
Subject: [Fot] TOLY ARUTUNOFF  INJURED
Message-ID: <200e1e.33903ccd.3a8569ae@aol.com>

In a message dated 02/09/2011 11:08:34 PM Central Standard Time, 
n197tr4 at cs.com writes:


> Tony Adamowicz reports that Toly  was injured helping a stranded motorist 
> in
> a snow storm resulting in the amputation of a leg.
> 
> Some of you may have seen Toly at the TOPEKA event as he joined us there 
> last
> August.
> 

Amici...

How very, very sad.  Toly was one of the great 'characters' from the Golden 
Age of sports car racing, and among many other things...built and owned 
Hallet.  How sad that now he must deal with these tragic circumstances.  Anyone 
who doesn't know of Toly, but wants to should seek a great 
(autobiographical) book available entitled ONE OFF The Roads, The Races, The Automobiles of 
Toly Arutunoff.  A very FUN read.

Bill Dentinger


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Feb 10 09:40:20 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:40:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TOLY ARUTUNOFF  INJURED
In-Reply-To: <200e1e.33903ccd.3a8569ae@aol.com>
References: <200e1e.33903ccd.3a8569ae@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CD975856F84F94-1C24-4CB@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com>

 Toly's book is on AMAZON at $29.00 including shipping....mine's on the way.

A nice addition to my little library.

btw,  contact Kas for your personalized copy of his new book....this makes
good reading, especially when it is -11 degrees in the unheated garage.
kaskastner.com








-----Original Message-----
From: BillDentin at aol.com
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Feb 10, 2011 10:17 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] TOLY ARUTUNOFF  INJURED


In a message dated 02/09/2011 11:08:34 PM Central Standard Time,
n197tr4 at cs.com writes:



Tony Adamowicz reports that Toly  was injured helping a stranded motorist in
a snow storm resulting in the amputation of a leg.

Some of you may have seen Toly at the TOPEKA event as he joined us there last
August.



Amici...

How very, very sad.  Toly was one of the great 'characters' from the Golden
Age of sports car racing, and among many other things...built and owned
Hallet.  How sad that now he must deal with these tragic circumstances.
Anyone who doesn't know of Toly, but wants to should seek a great
(autobiographical) book available entitled ONE OFF The Roads, The Races, The
Automobiles of Toly Arutunoff.  A very FUN read.

Bill Dentinger


From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Thu Feb 10 14:34:26 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:34:26 +1000
Subject: [Fot] contact for Gareth Thomas
Message-ID: <AANLkTikr6SviJtKMPsES=b8UxDEYVRFVSLaZ-xkoHunR@mail.gmail.com>

does anyone have a email contact for gareth thomas. he wrote a book years
ago about triumph tuning. last heard of in russia. apparently still
"lurking" around triumphs via  few forums
thanks, Terry


From jsclark at live.ca  Thu Feb 10 15:00:45 2011
From: jsclark at live.ca (Jeff Clark)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:00:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rimmer Bros.
Message-ID: <BLU158-w56594ABCD9DE88679A105AEEC0@phx.gbl>

Has anyone had any experience - good or bad- in ordering parts from Rimmer
Bros. in the U.K. I am shipping to Canada.
Jeff Clark


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Feb 10 15:26:32 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:26:32 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Rimmer Bros.
In-Reply-To: <BLU158-w56594ABCD9DE88679A105AEEC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU158-w56594ABCD9DE88679A105AEEC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001601cbc971$92df5b70$b89e1250$@com>

I heard nothing bad from them.
Lots of Germans order by Rimmer.

Cheers
Chris

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An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Rimmer Bros.

Has anyone had any experience - good or bad- in ordering parts from Rimmer
Bros. in the U.K. I am shipping to Canada.
Jeff Clark
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From RustyTR4 at aol.com  Thu Feb 10 15:29:07 2011
From: RustyTR4 at aol.com (RustyTR4 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:29:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Rimmer Bros.
Message-ID: <69f69.56784c90.3a85c0b3@aol.com>

Jeff, We have ordered a lot from Rimmer over the years and it has always  
worked out well.
 
Matt..
 
Triumph  Rescue
617 Walnut St.
Bally, Pa. 19503
610-845-8217
_www.triumphrescue.com_ (http://www.triumphrescue.com/) 

British  Wiring
617 Walnut St.
P.O. Box 185
Bally, Pa. 19503
_www.BritishWiring.com_ (http://www.britishwiring.com/)  


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 10 15:32:12 2011
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 22:32:12 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Rimmer Bros.
In-Reply-To: <BLU158-w56594ABCD9DE88679A105AEEC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU158-w56594ABCD9DE88679A105AEEC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <mailman.22.1638252560.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

I have been waiting for a Herald catalog for over a month. They say it lists more parts than the online catalog. 

I emailed after a few weeks had gone by and they said they would put another one in the post right away. Then I got a letter asking if I enjoyed the new catalog. Still no catalog. Can't comment on parts I haven't been able to buy, but not impressed so far. 

Ty 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Rimmer Bros.

Has anyone had any experience - good or bad- in ordering parts from Rimmer
Bros. in the U.K. I am shipping to Canada.
Jeff Clark
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From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Thu Feb 10 15:49:08 2011
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (markconsultation at twcny.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 22:49:08 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Rescue to the Rescue
Message-ID: <20110210224908.7CJKB.100949.root@hrndva-web20-z01>

Occasionally but not so frequently these daze, a vendor really goes out of his way to help a customer. Yesterday I was a participant in just such an event. Last winter I rebuilt the motor for my dads old vintage racer from a block I purchased from Matt at Tr Rescue. It did have a head-bolt repair but it looked good to Matt, my machinist and myself so it ended up in my TR3...

Well, this summer I got oil in the water and long story mercifully short, the repair pulled and cracked the block. I called Matt hoping to get a comp on another block and perhaps some help on parts. At best I hoped for a grease ball with a block of unknown condition somewhere in the center and maybe a little shaved off on parts. What I picked up yesterday was an inspected block just returned from the machine shop with new cam bearings and a Payne headgasket. Total Charge: Nada, nothing, $0, complementary, special deal just for you today...

I was blown away - this was not his fault, I just hoped for some help that wouldn't cost him personally. 

Triumph Rescue
617 Walnut St.
P.O Box 185
Bally PA 19503
United States of America

610 845 8217

Tell Matt Mark from Ithaca sent you...

Really, vendors like this need our support...

Best,

Mark


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Feb 10 16:16:42 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:16:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Rescue to the Rescue
In-Reply-To: <20110210224908.7CJKB.100949.root@hrndva-web20-z01>
References: <20110210224908.7CJKB.100949.root@hrndva-web20-z01>
Message-ID: <8CD978FB661DC52-DB4-13F4@webmail-d057.sysops.aol.com>

 YES!   It is the TRIUMPH RESCUE organization that made it possible for A.R.E.
to have a chance to build an AMBRO.

Forever in their debt........Joe A




 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Rescue to the Rescue


Occasionally but not so frequently these daze, a vendor really goes out of his

way to help a customer. Yesterday I was a participant in just such an event.

Last winter I rebuilt the motor for my dads old vintage racer from a block I

purchased from Matt at Tr Rescue. It did have a head-bolt repair but it looked

good to Matt, my machinist and myself so it ended up in my TR3...



Well, this summer I got oil in the water and long story mercifully short, the

repair pulled and cracked the block. I called Matt hoping to get a comp on

another block and perhaps some help on parts. At best I hoped for a grease
ball

with a block of unknown condition somewhere in the center and maybe a little

shaved off on parts. What I picked up yesterday was an inspected block just

returned from the machine shop with new cam bearings and a Payne headgasket.

Total Charge: Nada, nothing, $0, complementary, special deal just for you

today...



I was blown away - this was not his fault, I just hoped for some help that

wouldn't cost him personally.



Triumph Rescue

617 Walnut St.

P.O Box 185

Bally PA 19503

United States of America



610 845 8217



Tell Matt Mark from Ithaca sent you...



Really, vendors like this need our support...



Best,



Mark

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From gaf3 at charter.net  Thu Feb 10 17:08:48 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 19:08:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rimmer Bros.
In-Reply-To: <BLU158-w56594ABCD9DE88679A105AEEC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU158-w56594ABCD9DE88679A105AEEC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4D547E10.7030106@charter.net>

No problem, Very Helpful, especially with hard to find parts.
Good communication through email.
Shipping hurts a little.
Glenn Franco
On 2/10/2011 5:00 PM, Jeff Clark wrote:
> Has anyone had any experience - good or bad- in ordering parts from Rimmer
> Bros. in the U.K. I am shipping to Canada.
> Jeff Clark


From sgroh1 at comcast.net  Thu Feb 10 21:30:24 2011
From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:30:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Rescue to the Rescue
References: <20110210224908.7CJKB.100949.root@hrndva-web20-z01>
	<8CD978FB661DC52-DB4-13F4@webmail-d057.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <75A597CD64DF4110A8C51DD8ACF5BC25@steven2sbouwlk>

They've done me right, too!  Great folks, excellent work!
Steve Groh

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <markconsultation at twcny.rr.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Rescue to the Rescue


> YES!   It is the TRIUMPH RESCUE organization that made it possible for 
> A.R.E.
> to have a chance to build an AMBRO.
>
> Forever in their debt........Joe A
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------
> Subject: [Fot] Triumph Rescue to the Rescue
>
>
> Occasionally but not so frequently these daze, a vendor really goes out of 
> his
>
> way to help a customer. Yesterday I was a participant in just such an 
> event.
>
> Last winter I rebuilt the motor for my dads old vintage racer from a block 
> I
>
> purchased from Matt at Tr Rescue. It did have a head-bolt repair but it 
> looked
>
> good to Matt, my machinist and myself so it ended up in my TR3...
>
>
>
> Well, this summer I got oil in the water and long story mercifully short, 
> the
>
> repair pulled and cracked the block. I called Matt hoping to get a comp on
>
> another block and perhaps some help on parts. At best I hoped for a grease
> ball
>
> with a block of unknown condition somewhere in the center and maybe a 
> little
>
> shaved off on parts. What I picked up yesterday was an inspected block 
> just
>
> returned from the machine shop with new cam bearings and a Payne 
> headgasket.
>
> Total Charge: Nada, nothing, $0, complementary, special deal just for you
>
> today...
>
>
>
> I was blown away - this was not his fault, I just hoped for some help that
>
> wouldn't cost him personally.
>
>
>
> Triumph Rescue
>
> 617 Walnut St.
>
> P.O Box 185
>
> Bally PA 19503
>
> United States of America
>
>
>
> 610 845 8217
>
>
>
> Tell Matt Mark from Ithaca sent you...
>
>
>
> Really, vendors like this need our support...
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Mark
>
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>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Feb 11 07:50:38 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:50:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FATHER/SON   HUSBAND/WIFE     ETC.  COMBINATIONS AT LAGUNA
Message-ID: <8CD98122E69C94F-11CC-10BF8@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com>

 Laguna has the potential for two run groups for us.

FOT Group     HMSA Group

I'd like to pursue the option:

Second Driver/Same Car

Before I do this, it would be useful to know how many entrants might be
affected by this option.

We have a number of father/son combinations and at least one husband/wife.

(VARAC is one club that makes this option available at a nominal cost for
family and crew members.)

 This would make the long tows an easier justification for some of us,
especially at the initial entry cost. Perhaps it may even make the difference
in entering at all.

Speak up before I pursue this option.

Thanks,

Joe


From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri Feb 11 11:16:10 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:16:10 EST
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <b584b.2fc7ef0b.3a86d6ea@aol.com>

Amici...

I wish to nominate Mike Ryan for membership on the FOT list.  Mike is a 
long time racer with a ton of Midwestern seat time mostly in a Porsche 911.  He 
has recently acquired a Doretti, and is in the process of restoring the 
car.  He wants to maintain the original exterior, but upgrade the TR2 
drivetrain (cam, head, carbs, etc.).  He is interested in getting advise, counsel, 
and direction from the FOT.

Name:       Mike Ryan
Location:  Chicago area
email:       penraine at sbcglobal.net

The DORETTI is a very special sports car with ties to TRIUMPH.  May I 
please get a SECOND?

Bill Dentinger 


From tr6nut at verizon.net  Fri Feb 11 11:45:56 2011
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:45:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <b584b.2fc7ef0b.3a86d6ea@aol.com>
References: <b584b.2fc7ef0b.3a86d6ea@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D5583E4.3050007@verizon.net>

Despite the Porsche, I'll gladly second.

Hugh Barber
'73 TR6
Stafford, VA

On 2/11/2011 01:16, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
> Amici...
>
> I wish to nominate Mike Ryan for membership on the FOT list.  Mike is a
> long time racer with a ton of Midwestern seat time mostly in a Porsche 911.  He
> has recently acquired a Doretti, and is in the process of restoring the
> car.  He wants to maintain the original exterior, but upgrade the TR2
> drivetrain (cam, head, carbs, etc.).  He is interested in getting advise, counsel,
> and direction from the FOT.
>
> Name:       Mike Ryan
> Location:  Chicago area
> email:       penraine at sbcglobal.net
>
> The DORETTI is a very special sports car with ties to TRIUMPH.  May I
> please get a SECOND?
>
> Bill Dentinger


From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Feb 11 11:51:17 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 10:51:17 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  (no subject)
Message-ID: <FFFF495A979445B4930242E8337AF5A1@Bud>

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <BillDentin at aol.com>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)


>I second the nomination....there's terrific history behind the Dorretti 
>Swallow....I believe the car was designed in honor of his daughter, 
>Dorothy....A friend had one with a Buick Nailhead...sold it to a friend of 
>his in San Luis Obispo area a couple of years ago.
> Racer Bud
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Cc: <penraine at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:16 AM
> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
>
>
>> Amici...
>>
>> I wish to nominate Mike Ryan for membership on the FOT list.  Mike is a
>> long time racer with a ton of Midwestern seat time mostly in a Porsche 
>> 911.  He
>> has recently acquired a Doretti, and is in the process of restoring the
>> car.  He wants to maintain the original exterior, but upgrade the TR2
>> drivetrain (cam, head, carbs, etc.).  He is interested in getting advise, 
>> counsel,
>> and direction from the FOT.
>>
>> Name:       Mike Ryan
>> Location:  Chicago area
>> email:       penraine at sbcglobal.net
>>
>> The DORETTI is a very special sports car with ties to TRIUMPH.  May I
>> please get a SECOND?
>>
>> Bill Dentinger
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri Feb 11 12:11:20 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:11:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <FFFF495A979445B4930242E8337AF5A1@Bud>
Message-ID: <317610176.295766.1297451480199.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Speaking of seconds, whatever happened to our land speed record TR-7 guy.

I'd like to hear more about that project.



jim g




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To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:51:17 AM
Subject: [Fot] Fw: B (no subject)

----- Original Message -----
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: <BillDentin at aol.com>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)


>I second the nomination....there's terrific history behind the Dorretti
>Swallow....I believe the car was designed in honor of his daughter,
>Dorothy....A friend had one with a Buick Nailhead...sold it to a friend of
>his in San Luis Obispo area a couple of years ago.
> Racer Bud
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Cc: <penraine at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:16 AM
> Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
>
>
>> Amici...
>>
>> I wish to nominate Mike Ryan for membership on the FOT list. B Mike is a
>> long time racer with a ton of Midwestern seat time mostly in a Porsche
>> 911. B He
>> has recently acquired a Doretti, and is in the process of restoring the
>> car. B He wants to maintain the original exterior, but upgrade the TR2
>> drivetrain (cam, head, carbs, etc.). B He is interested in getting advise,
>> counsel,
>> and direction from the FOT.
>>
>> Name: B  B  B  Mike Ryan
>> Location: B Chicago area
>> email: B  B  B  penraine at sbcglobal.net
>>
>> The DORETTI is a very special sports car with ties to TRIUMPH. B May I
>> please get a SECOND?
>>
>> Bill Dentinger
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From koblinger at verizon.net  Fri Feb 11 12:32:28 2011
From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:32:28 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  (no subject)
Message-ID: <1450440667.1597257.1297452748962.JavaMail.root@vznit170080>

/IszMmr: Permission denied


From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Feb 11 12:45:42 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:45:42 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR7  LAND SPEED RECORD
Message-ID: <DE3D096BEDBA43809F5D4D6C91E09036@Bud>

Here's the link to Flashback Racing and the TR-7
Racer Bud


http://flashbackracing.com/2010/12/flashback-racing%E2%80%99s-september-assau
lt-on-maxton-yields-one-land-speed-record-3/


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Feb 11 14:02:47 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:02:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7  LAND SPEED RECORD
In-Reply-To: <DE3D096BEDBA43809F5D4D6C91E09036@Bud>
Message-ID: <60899.71265.qm@smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I have emailed Craig and he is getting the posts, perhaps he will add a bit
to the excellent write up on the website.

Paul



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of RACER BUD
Sent: February 11, 2011 2:46 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] TR7 LAND SPEED RECORD

Here's the link to Flashback Racing and the TR-7 Racer Bud


http://flashbackracing.com/2010/12/flashback-racing%E2%80%99s-september-assa
u
lt-on-maxton-yields-one-land-speed-record-3/
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Fri Feb 11 14:14:25 2011
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:14:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7  LAND SPEED RECORD
In-Reply-To: <DE3D096BEDBA43809F5D4D6C91E09036@Bud>
References: <DE3D096BEDBA43809F5D4D6C91E09036@Bud>
Message-ID: <5a4d35169b859e17aaa2bfc22193aafe.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

Wow, that guy's place is less than a mile from
where I used to live.  Small world...

John

On Fri, February 11, 2011 2:45 pm, RACER BUD wrote:
> Here's the link to Flashback Racing and the TR-7
> Racer Bud
>
>
> http://flashbackracing.com/2010/12/flashback-racing%E2%80%99s-september-assau
> lt-on-maxton-yields-one-land-speed-record-3/
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From jason at multivintage.com  Fri Feb 11 15:02:17 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:02:17 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
Message-ID: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com>

Friends,
Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA-1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing


From koblinger at verizon.net  Fri Feb 11 16:18:34 2011
From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:18:34 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
Message-ID: <705157485.1611955.1297466314925.JavaMail.root@vznit170080>



From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Feb 11 17:08:39 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:08:39 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CE4737F03EAA4C279A3FC58CCDEDA850@Bud>

I have 2 of the same 1967 mirrors...mint in the box but in black that I 
picked up at a yard sale a couple of years ago...I didn't know they were 
valuable..
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Ostrowski" <jason at multivintage.com>
To: "triumph friends" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 2:02 PM
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay


> Friends,
> Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
> Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA-1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Fri Feb 11 19:52:02 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:52:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <b584b.2fc7ef0b.3a86d6ea@aol.com>
Message-ID: <676666.48505.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Bill & Mike: If you haven't already, you need to get a hold of Tom Householder
(T.R. Householder) Tom was one of the founders of TRA and is currently taken
on the task of finding and keeping track of all the Doretti's. I am copying
him on this email but I'm not sure if this is a current email address. I
believe he may also be lurking on the list. It has been a year or two since
we've corresponded.
You are correct in stating that it is a important car, becuse of it's
pedigere, how it came about, and it's low production numbers.
Please keep us informed on it's progress
Thanks - Ed  

--- On Fri, 2/11/11, BillDentin at aol.com <BillDentin at aol.com> wrote:


From: BillDentin at aol.com <BillDentin at aol.com>
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: penraine at sbcglobal.net
Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 12:16 PM


Amici...

I wish to nominate Mike Ryan for membership on the FOT list.  Mike is a
long time racer with a ton of Midwestern seat time mostly in a Porsche 911. 
He
has recently acquired a Doretti, and is in the process of restoring the
car.  He wants to maintain the original exterior, but upgrade the TR2
drivetrain (cam, head, carbs, etc.).  He is interested in getting advise,
counsel,
and direction from the FOT.

Name:       Mike Ryan
Location:  Chicago area
email:       penraine at sbcglobal.net

The DORETTI is a very special sports car with ties to TRIUMPH.  May I
please get a SECOND?

Bill Dentinger
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Feb 11 21:11:19 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:11:19 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.c om>
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110212041127.ADA28187670@autox.team.net>

Red would be cool in the Red Rocket, but I'm not sure I want to go 
$150 for that...  Great find!

- Tony

At 04:02 PM 2/11/2011, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
>Friends,
>Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
>Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA-1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
>Jason Ostrowski
>Friendly Ghost Racing


From jason at multivintage.com  Fri Feb 11 21:43:59 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:43:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
In-Reply-To: <4d56086d.086d2a0a.5577.2d35SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com>
	<4d56086d.086d2a0a.5577.2d35SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=+i1MsuT776M8JYRp60ibuekGZLnXVYv-+n8NM@mail.gmail.com>

I maybe would have bought it already myself if it wasn't 1/6 the entry fee
for the cup... saving every penny to race a Triumph at Laguna Seca. and
towing all the stuff it takes keep my Gt6 running.... 2300 miles in hot June
over big mountains. I like the mirror too but I might need the money for
other things.
ALSO. AS THE ITALIAN GUY SAYS  in, my favorite movie of all time "The
Gumball Rally", (as he yanks the rear view mirror from the windshield and
tosses it),  "WHAT'S BEHIND ME IS NOT IMPORTANT!"
Jason, FGR.
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> Red would be cool in the Red Rocket, but I'm not sure I want to go $150 for
> that...  Great find!
>
> - Tony


From malaboge at aol.com  Fri Feb 11 23:55:15 2011
From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 01:55:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CD9898EFF02632-1908-4A26@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>

HOW MUCH????
twenty two seconds with google took me
here...http://www.buycheapr.com/us/result.jsp?ga=us12&q=wink+mirror

for $199 you can buy a dozen of em...or $18.95 each!  and I think I prolly
have a spray can-o-red here in the shop as well.


A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse...

Nick in NorCal



-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
To: triumph friends <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:02 pm
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay


Friends,
Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA-
1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5f
CarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
_______________________________________________


From oldspeed72 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 12 13:24:15 2011
From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com (Mark Vanlake)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 12:24:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 for Sale
Message-ID: <510679.97183.qm@web111009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Just posted my recently completed Vintage Racer (TR6) notice the FOT stickers on 
car. Contact me if anyone is interested. 


Mark

http://www.racingjunk.com/category/85/Other/post/2127830/Vintage-Racer-TR6.html


From horizonracing at msn.com  Sun Feb 13 15:28:29 2011
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:28:29 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Caliper mounts-Alloy
Message-ID: <SNT141-w54B2A0014B2C3D68A0AA89B2D10@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

I have a couple  sets of Alloy Brake caliper mounts for TR3/4 for sale.
$140.00 includes postage (usa). These are new.
These same parts have been on the Famous "peyote" for the past year. Race
Proven !!

Pls contact of list if interested

Thx
Tony Garmey


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Feb 13 15:39:35 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:39:35 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
In-Reply-To: <8CD9898EFF02632-1908-4A26@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CD9898EFF02632-1908-4A26@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001cbcbce$e6f4b750$b4de25f0$@com>

This is price is quite reasonable.
But for my opinion these type mirrors look not very nice to me.
I have a small panorama mirror for $3, simple mounted to my little wind
shield.

Too much information about the rear might get me nervous. :-)

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von malaboge at aol.com
Gesendet: Samstag, 12. Februar 2011 07:55
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay

HOW MUCH????
twenty two seconds with google took me
here...http://www.buycheapr.com/us/result.jsp?ga=us12&q=wink+mirror

for $199 you can buy a dozen of em...or $18.95 each!  and I think I prolly
have a spray can-o-red here in the shop as well.


A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse...

Nick in NorCal



-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
To: triumph friends <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:02 pm
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay


Friends,
Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA
-
1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5
f
CarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Sun Feb 13 19:51:03 2011
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:51:03 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com><8CD9898EFF02632-1908-4A26@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>
	<000001cbcbce$e6f4b750$b4de25f0$@com>
Message-ID: <4D6177671252444E80BF8CFCDEC220AC@Pendys>

Hey chris, fold the mirrors in and crank-up the radio and you won't care who 
is back there, .........mark p
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay


> This is price is quite reasonable.
> But for my opinion these type mirrors look not very nice to me.
> I have a small panorama mirror for $3, simple mounted to my little wind
> shield.
>
> Too much information about the rear might get me nervous. :-)
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von malaboge at aol.com
> Gesendet: Samstag, 12. Februar 2011 07:55
> An: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>
> HOW MUCH????
> twenty two seconds with google took me
> here...http://www.buycheapr.com/us/result.jsp?ga=us12&q=wink+mirror
>
> for $199 you can buy a dozen of em...or $18.95 each!  and I think I prolly
> have a spray can-o-red here in the shop as well.
>
>
> A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse...
>
> Nick in NorCal
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
> To: triumph friends <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:02 pm
> Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>
>
> Friends,
> Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
> Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA
> -
> 1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5
> f
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> Jason Ostrowski
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Feb 13 19:59:06 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:59:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com><8CD9898EFF02632-1908-4A26@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com><000001cbcbce$e6f4b750$b4de25f0$@com>
	<4D6177671252444E80BF8CFCDEC220AC@Pendys>
Message-ID: <C7A654E3EA69444CA61EE7091292265F@Bud>

I love it.!..or...Do an AUGIE PABST ROUTINE....Catch the eye of the guy 
behind you on the grid....RIP YOUR MIRROR OFF  THE DASH ...and..THROW IT ON 
THE PASSENGER SIDE FLOOR!!...RB....
P.S.....We need to get standing starts in vintage racing!...RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>
To: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay


> Hey chris, fold the mirrors in and crank-up the radio and you won't care 
> who is back there, .........mark p
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>
>
>> This is price is quite reasonable.
>> But for my opinion these type mirrors look not very nice to me.
>> I have a small panorama mirror for $3, simple mounted to my little wind
>> shield.
>>
>> Too much information about the rear might get me nervous. :-)
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>> Auftrag von malaboge at aol.com
>> Gesendet: Samstag, 12. Februar 2011 07:55
>> An: fot at autox.team.net
>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>
>> HOW MUCH????
>> twenty two seconds with google took me
>> here...http://www.buycheapr.com/us/result.jsp?ga=us12&q=wink+mirror
>>
>> for $199 you can buy a dozen of em...or $18.95 each!  and I think I 
>> prolly
>> have a spray can-o-red here in the shop as well.
>>
>>
>> A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse...
>>
>> Nick in NorCal
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
>> To: triumph friends <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:02 pm
>> Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>
>>
>> Friends,
>> Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
>> Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA
>> -
>> 1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5
>> f
>> CarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
>> Jason Ostrowski
>> Friendly Ghost Racing
>> _______________________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
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>>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Feb 13 20:15:52 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:15:52 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com><8CD9898EFF02632-1908-4A26@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com><000001cbcbce$e6f4b750$b4de25f0$@com><4D6177671252444E80BF8CFCDEC220AC@Pendys>
	<C7A654E3EA69444CA61EE7091292265F@Bud>
Message-ID: <79AAF380CF4B420790BF73A39FD58CEB@Bud>

Come to think of it...You guys in Europe have some standing 
starts?..Correct?...RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay


>I love it.!..or...Do an AUGIE PABST ROUTINE....Catch the eye of the guy 
>behind you on the grid....RIP YOUR MIRROR OFF  THE DASH ...and..THROW IT ON 
>THE PASSENGER SIDE FLOOR!!...RB....
> P.S.....We need to get standing starts in vintage racing!...RB
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>
> To: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>
>
>> Hey chris, fold the mirrors in and crank-up the radio and you won't care 
>> who is back there, .........mark p
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
>> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>
>>
>>> This is price is quite reasonable.
>>> But for my opinion these type mirrors look not very nice to me.
>>> I have a small panorama mirror for $3, simple mounted to my little wind
>>> shield.
>>>
>>> Too much information about the rear might get me nervous. :-)
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>>> Auftrag von malaboge at aol.com
>>> Gesendet: Samstag, 12. Februar 2011 07:55
>>> An: fot at autox.team.net
>>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>>
>>> HOW MUCH????
>>> twenty two seconds with google took me
>>> here...http://www.buycheapr.com/us/result.jsp?ga=us12&q=wink+mirror
>>>
>>> for $199 you can buy a dozen of em...or $18.95 each!  and I think I 
>>> prolly
>>> have a spray can-o-red here in the shop as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse...
>>>
>>> Nick in NorCal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
>>> To: triumph friends <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:02 pm
>>> Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>>
>>>
>>> Friends,
>>> Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
>>> Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA
>>> -
>>> 1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5
>>> f
>>> CarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
>>> Jason Ostrowski
>>> Friendly Ghost Racing
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>
>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>>
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Feb 13 20:44:32 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:44:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Sam Clark
Message-ID: <4D58A520.4080801@pobox.com>

I would like to nominate Sam Clark to the FoT list.  I'm sure many of 
you know Sam.  He and his wife, Carol, were the instigators for the 
formation of our local Green Country Triumphs many years ago.  He has 
always been interested in racing and the performance side of Triumphs. 
He was a greater supporter of my racing effort. I'll let Sam fill you in 
with more details.  I think he would be a good addition to our group. 
Do I have a second?
Larry


From herald948 at aol.com  Sun Feb 13 21:13:45 2011
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:13:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Sam Clark
In-Reply-To: <4D58A520.4080801@pobox.com>
References: <4D58A520.4080801@pobox.com>
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 A hearty second! Welcome to FoT, Sam!



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-----Original Message-----
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I would like to nominate Sam Clark to the FoT list.


From susank at 141.com  Mon Feb 14 03:52:01 2011
From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 05:52:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Sam Clark
In-Reply-To: <4D58A520.4080801@pobox.com>
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Oh, absolutely! I didn't realize he wasn't on here. Welcome Sam!     :D

Keep Triumphing,
Susan    :)


On 2/13/2011 10:44 PM, Larry Young wrote:
> I would like to nominate Sam Clark to the FoT list.  I'm sure many of 
> you know Sam.  He and his wife, Carol, were the instigators for the 
> formation of our local Green Country Triumphs many years ago.  He has 
> always been interested in racing and the performance side of Triumphs. 
> He was a greater supporter of my racing effort. I'll let Sam fill you 
> in with more details.  I think he would be a good addition to our 
> group. Do I have a second?
> Larry
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Feb 14 00:16:19 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 08:16:19 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
In-Reply-To: <79AAF380CF4B420790BF73A39FD58CEB@Bud>
References: <AANLkTimsLCgtUmpuKu2-1xTdFYKRgdmbt=KKQ=P4aQUv@mail.gmail.com><8CD9898EFF02632-1908-4A26@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com><000001cbcbce$e6f4b750$b4de25f0$@com><4D6177671252444E80BF8CFCDEC220AC@Pendys>
	<C7A654E3EA69444CA61EE7091292265F@Bud>
	<79AAF380CF4B420790BF73A39FD58CEB@Bud>
Message-ID: <000601cbcc17$16218240$426486c0$@com>

Yes, on most tracks we have standing starts, and they have a lot more
suspense than the Indy version.
Nothing is more exciting than feeling the noise and power of the whole grid
when the 5 second marker is shown up. And then all drivers have clutch
engagement at the same time moving some tons of steel forward.
Great feeling. Difficult for inexperienced drivers.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net]
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Februar 2011 04:16
An: RACER BUD; Mark Pendergrass
Cc: fot at autox.team.net; MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay

Come to think of it...You guys in Europe have some standing
starts?..Correct?...RB
----- Original Message -----
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay


>I love it.!..or...Do an AUGIE PABST ROUTINE....Catch the eye of the guy
>behind you on the grid....RIP YOUR MIRROR OFF  THE DASH ...and..THROW IT ON

>THE PASSENGER SIDE FLOOR!!...RB....
> P.S.....We need to get standing starts in vintage racing!...RB
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>
> To: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>
>
>> Hey chris, fold the mirrors in and crank-up the radio and you won't care
>> who is back there, .........mark p
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
>> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>
>>
>>> This is price is quite reasonable.
>>> But for my opinion these type mirrors look not very nice to me.
>>> I have a small panorama mirror for $3, simple mounted to my little wind
>>> shield.
>>>
>>> Too much information about the rear might get me nervous. :-)
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
>>> Auftrag von malaboge at aol.com
>>> Gesendet: Samstag, 12. Februar 2011 07:55
>>> An: fot at autox.team.net
>>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>>
>>> HOW MUCH????
>>> twenty two seconds with google took me
>>> here...http://www.buycheapr.com/us/result.jsp?ga=us12&q=wink+mirror
>>>
>>> for $199 you can buy a dozen of em...or $18.95 each!  and I think I
>>> prolly
>>> have a spray can-o-red here in the shop as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse...
>>>
>>> Nick in NorCal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
>>> To: triumph friends <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:02 pm
>>> Subject: [Fot] Really cool wink mirror on ebay
>>>
>>>
>>> Friends,
>>> Here's a really cool WINK mirror on ebay, 1967 Vintage in Red.
>>> Someone may want to snap this up. NFI.
>>>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTG-NOS-1967-WINK-MIRROR-MUSCLE-RACE-CAR-BAJA
>>> -
>>>
1000-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b8331ec0QQitemZ170594082496QQptZVintageQ5
>>> f
>>> CarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
>>> Jason Ostrowski
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Feb 14 21:49:37 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:49:37 -0800
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
Message-ID: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>

When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing starts...It was
Wonderful!..
Racer Bud


From andre at gt6.ca  Tue Feb 15 04:34:14 2011
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 06:34:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
References: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim-5U1zuq-MKQuiTgjH-ahFBT5uAznL7LPL8YUK@mail.gmail.com>

Why not take it a step further.

Lemans starts.

Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)

I'd be game for that kind of fun.

A.

On 14 February 2011 23:49, RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
> When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing starts...It was
> Wonderful!..
> Racer Bud
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Feb 15 06:19:21 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:19:21 +0100
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim-5U1zuq-MKQuiTgjH-ahFBT5uAznL7LPL8YUK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
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Ha ha! That would be funny to watch.
Like lots of girls knitting a scarf, the racers would sit in their cars and
getting the harnesses, arm restraints, and gears on before any engine will
shout up.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Februar 2011 12:34
An: RACER BUD
Cc: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] standing starts

Why not take it a step further.

Lemans starts.

Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)

I'd be game for that kind of fun.

A.

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> When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing starts...It was
> Wonderful!..
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Feb 15 07:56:35 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:56:35 EST
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
Message-ID: <7a60.15726d31.3a8bee23@aol.com>

In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time, 
andre at gt6.ca writes:


> Why not take it a step further.
> 
> Lemans starts.
> 
> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
> 

The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were 
exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.  

Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse power 
and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with LeMan 
or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.  
Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer term 
'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.

Bill Dentinger    


From billb at bnj.com  Tue Feb 15 08:17:20 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 05:17:20 -1000
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <7a60.15726d31.3a8bee23@aol.com>
References: <7a60.15726d31.3a8bee23@aol.com>
Message-ID: <88DC4D77-D6CD-4218-8D04-0144EB854272@bnj.com>

SOVREN does them for certain special events, like enduros or "Lollipop" or
other handicap races. For the Le Mans start the driver is already in the car,
belted in and set to go, while a pit crew member does the running. Kind of
fun, but just a sideshow.

On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:56 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time,
> andre at gt6.ca writes:
>
>
>> Why not take it a step further.
>>
>> Lemans starts.
>>
>> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
>>
>
> The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were
> exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.
>
> Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse power
> and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with LeMan
> or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.
> Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer term
> 'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Tue Feb 15 08:54:50 2011
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:54:50 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
References: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
Message-ID: <e677fbefbfa1.4d5aa1ca@optonline.net>

Every year I do a 2 hour Enduro at Pocono with EMRA.  This is really a crowd pleaser because we do a modified LeMans start.   Drivers sit in the cars with the engines running.  The cars are backed with the right rear corner of the car to the Pocono front straight wall.  A Team member, at the drop of a flag, runs across pit lane and smacks the rear of the car.  At that time, tires start squealing, engines are racing and its organized chaos!  High powered Corvettes and Camaros dodging the Alfas, Triumphs and Mazdas. Its great!  I look forward to it every year.
 
My two cents
 
Todd Redmond


----- Original Message -----
From: RACER BUD 
Date: Monday, February 14, 2011 11:50 pm
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
To: MadMarx , fot at autox.team.net

> When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing 
> starts...It was
> Wonderful!..
> Racer Bud
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Tue Feb 15 09:01:23 2011
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:01:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <7a60.15726d31.3a8bee23@aol.com>
References: <7a60.15726d31.3a8bee23@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004901cbcd29$9857b870$c9072950$@rr.com>

While THIS style of start may be interesting to some spectators it lends
itself to unsafe if not dangerous driving conditions due to the hurried
manner in which safety equipment is put on. Back in the day if I recall
correctly, attire was a polo helmet, a tee shirt and maybe a lap belt if the
driver took the time to connect it. Leap forward to today and even at the
amateur hobby level (yes, that's most of us folks!)we have 5 point
harnesses, HANS devices, gloves, etc. not to mention the starting procedures
many follow. The thought of scampering across the track and diving into it
would scare hell out of me! I know I'm getting old, and I want to get a lot
older before a dirt nap. 
I think Bill is spot on. There is great wisdom in his words.

Russ Moore
Spitfire #49

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:57 AM
To: andre at gt6.ca; budscars at comcast.net
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts

In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time, 
andre at gt6.ca writes:


> Why not take it a step further.
> 
> Lemans starts.
> 
> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
> 

The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were 
exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.  

Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse power 
and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with LeMan 
or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.  
Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer term

'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.

Bill Dentinger    
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From adcronin at mi.rr.com  Tue Feb 15 09:13:21 2011
From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:13:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Temperature Ranges of Permatex RTV
Message-ID: <1EFB87DF-F8FB-492E-87BB-B672A7F6AA6C@mi.rr.com>

Guys and Gals

Recently came across this listing of temperature ranges for the various
"Colors" of Permatex RTV and thought I would pass it along FWIW.
	Red-----65-650 F
	Blue----65-500 F
	Black---75-625 F
	Copper-20-650 F
	Clear---80-500 F

Form-a-Gasket
	#1---65-400 F
	#2---65-400 F


From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Feb 15 09:18:00 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 8:18:00 -0800
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <88DC4D77-D6CD-4218-8D04-0144EB854272@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <20110215111800.QEPK9.1259597.imail@fed1rmwml45>

In 1953 in a race at Aspen Colorado we had a Le Mans start.  One guy in a hurry broke the key off in the dashboard  starting or trying to start his car, another jumped in over the door, through his seat belt and took him a  couple laps to get undone. Another fellow jumped over the door and took the gear change lever up his pants leg, had to get out and start all over again.  I heard all these stories after the event. Fun for me but a horror some . 




--- Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote: 
SOVREN does them for certain special events, like enduros or "Lollipop" or
other handicap races. For the Le Mans start the driver is already in the car,
belted in and set to go, while a pit crew member does the running. Kind of
fun, but just a sideshow.

On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:56 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time,
> andre at gt6.ca writes:
>
>
>> Why not take it a step further.
>>
>> Lemans starts.
>>
>> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
>>
>
> The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were
> exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.
>
> Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse power
> and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with LeMan
> or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.
> Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer term
> 'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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>
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Feb 15 09:18:30 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:18:30 -0800
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
References: <7a60.15726d31.3a8bee23@aol.com>
	<004901cbcd29$9857b870$c9072950$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <5EA6FE4570854A6CB45B8D7042F60D15@Charly>

I remember reading about a race driver at LeMans buckling his belts while 
going down the straight away and holding the steering wheel with his knee. 
I don't remember the driver but I believe the car was a GT40
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spitfire Racing" <Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com>
To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <andre at gt6.ca>; <budscars at comcast.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts


> While THIS style of start may be interesting to some spectators it lends
> itself to unsafe if not dangerous driving conditions due to the hurried
> manner in which safety equipment is put on. Back in the day if I recall
> correctly, attire was a polo helmet, a tee shirt and maybe a lap belt if 
> the
> driver took the time to connect it. Leap forward to today and even at the
> amateur hobby level (yes, that's most of us folks!)we have 5 point
> harnesses, HANS devices, gloves, etc. not to mention the starting 
> procedures
> many follow. The thought of scampering across the track and diving into it
> would scare hell out of me! I know I'm getting old, and I want to get a 
> lot
> older before a dirt nap.
> I think Bill is spot on. There is great wisdom in his words.
>
> Russ Moore
> Spitfire #49
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:57 AM
> To: andre at gt6.ca; budscars at comcast.net
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts
>
> In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time,
> andre at gt6.ca writes:
>
>
>> Why not take it a step further.
>>
>> Lemans starts.
>>
>> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
>>
>
> The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were
> exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.
>
> Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse 
> power
> and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with 
> LeMan
> or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.
> Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer 
> term
>
> 'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Feb 15 09:27:55 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:27:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <5EA6FE4570854A6CB45B8D7042F60D15@Charly>
References: <7a60.15726d31.3a8bee23@aol.com>
	<004901cbcd29$9857b870$c9072950$@rr.com>
	<5EA6FE4570854A6CB45B8D7042F60D15@Charly>
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I've seen Dan Gurney report that in an interview.

rml

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On Tue, 15 Feb 2011, Charly Mitchel wrote:

> I remember reading about a race driver at LeMans buckling his belts while 
> going down the straight away and holding the steering wheel with his knee. I 
> don't remember the driver but I believe the car was a GT40
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spitfire Racing" 
> <Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com>
> To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <andre at gt6.ca>; <budscars at comcast.net>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts
>
>
>> While THIS style of start may be interesting to some spectators it lends
>> itself to unsafe if not dangerous driving conditions due to the hurried
>> manner in which safety equipment is put on. Back in the day if I recall
>> correctly, attire was a polo helmet, a tee shirt and maybe a lap belt if 
>> the
>> driver took the time to connect it. Leap forward to today and even at the
>> amateur hobby level (yes, that's most of us folks!)we have 5 point
>> harnesses, HANS devices, gloves, etc. not to mention the starting 
>> procedures
>> many follow. The thought of scampering across the track and diving into it
>> would scare hell out of me! I know I'm getting old, and I want to get a lot
>> older before a dirt nap.
>> I think Bill is spot on. There is great wisdom in his words.
>> 
>> Russ Moore
>> Spitfire #49
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:57 AM
>> To: andre at gt6.ca; budscars at comcast.net
>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts
>> 
>> In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time,
>> andre at gt6.ca writes:
>> 
>> 
>>> Why not take it a step further.
>>> 
>>> Lemans starts.
>>> 
>>> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
>>> 
>> 
>> The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were
>> exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.
>> 
>> Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse power
>> and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with LeMan
>> or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.
>> Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer 
>> term
>> 
>> 'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.
>> 
>> Bill Dentinger
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From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Feb 15 10:50:06 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:50:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
References: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
	<AANLkTim-5U1zuq-MKQuiTgjH-ahFBT5uAznL7LPL8YUK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F44AAC18399C418FAE9920B76C136F96@Bud>

We do occasional have a Le Mans start with CSRG when we have our 'relay 
race'
Racer bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
Cc: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts


Why not take it a step further.

Lemans starts.

Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)

I'd be game for that kind of fun.

A.

On 14 February 2011 23:49, RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
> When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing starts...It was
> Wonderful!..
> Racer Bud
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue Feb 15 11:39:16 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:39:16 -1000
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <6290580.1297794155472.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <6290580.1297794155472.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <014581CF-A5D5-4BDB-ACD1-349999AB3D50@bnj.com>

A lollipop is a handicap race where the cars are distributed in semi-equal
packs around the track (usually five or six packs, depending on track length).
The fastest cars at start, next fastest a bit further and so on until you get
to just before the finish. The start zones are marked by a track worker
holding up a colored disk--hence lollipop. If you are assigned to yellow you
drive around the track until you find the yellow lollipop and line up in a
staggered formation behind the car in front. Cars are released to the track in
reverse order: slowest first, so even within a group the slowest car has some
advantage.

The race is started over the radios--the worker gives two and one minute
warnings, and then when the worker drops the lollipop everyone goes--standing
start. You determine the number of laps by taking the time difference between
fastest and slowest cars and dividing that into the average lap time for the
fastest cars. The fast cars should just be catching the slowest ones when the
race ends.

Personally, I prefer the Australian Pursuit, where each car is flagged off
according to their handicapped time to complete the number of laps. Starting
off two or three laps behind a slow car is really a hoot, especially when you
round the last turn and see fifteen cars in a wad because they've all caught
up.

But lollipop is easier to organize.

Bill
On Feb 15, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Mike Jackson wrote:

> Hey Bill, what's a lollipop race?  VDCA is always looking for new gimmick
race ideas
>
> Mike Jackson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
>> Sent: Feb 15, 2011 10:17 AM
>> To: BillDentin at aol.com
>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts
>>
>> SOVREN does them for certain special events, like enduros or "Lollipop" or
>> other handicap races. For the Le Mans start the driver is already in the
car,
>> belted in and set to go, while a pit crew member does the running. Kind of
>> fun, but just a sideshow.
>>
>> On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:56 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time,
>>> andre at gt6.ca writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Why not take it a step further.
>>>>
>>>> Lemans starts.
>>>>
>>>> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
>>>>
>>>
>>> The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were
>>> exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.
>>>
>>> Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse
power
>>> and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with
LeMan
>>> or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.
>>> Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer
term
>>> 'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.
>>>
>>> Bill Dentinger
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>
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>>>
>>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Feb 15 12:03:00 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:03:00 EST
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
Message-ID: <43a76.3a0c2b61.3a8c27e4@aol.com>

In a message dated 02/15/2011 12:47:50 PM Central Standard Time, 
billb at bnj.com writes:


> Personally, I prefer the Australian Pursuit, where each car is flagged 
> off
> according to their handicapped time to complete the number of laps. 
> Starting
> off two or three laps behind a slow car is really a hoot, especially when 
> you
> round the last turn and see fifteen cars in a wad because they've all 
> caught
> up.
> 

They don't call them Australian Pursuit Races, but traditionally the VSCDA 
does these (very successfully, I might add) at the Blackhawk Vintage Classic 
(Father's Day Week End).  As a matter of fact, I think I won the very first 
one they ever ran, at a time I was finding a second or two every time I ran 
a session.  I think Wismer has won one too.  I've never been involved in 
the orchestration, but I understand that there is a lot of work involved 
(setting them up), causing orchestra leaders to miss banquet and drinking the 
night before.  

I agree that these are great fun.

Bill Dentinger


From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Tue Feb 15 12:20:06 2011
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:20:06 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
Message-ID: <13711781.1297797606682.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

/ATHyyE: Permission denied


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue Feb 15 12:29:10 2011
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:29:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW:  standing starts
In-Reply-To: <SNT134-w313187F02A57DB6554898B90D30@phx.gbl>
References: <88DC4D77-D6CD-4218-8D04-0144EB854272@bnj.com>,
	<20110215111800.QEPK9.1259597.imail@fed1rmwml45>,
	<SNT134-w313187F02A57DB6554898B90D30@phx.gbl>
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From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
To: kaskas at cox.net
Subject: RE: [Fot] standing starts
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:39:40 -0700




The previous owner of my Elva Courier did a standing start in Aspen and a guy
about two cars up stalled.  My Elva stopped but a Corvette behind drove up the
back of the Elva and perched the front wheels on the rollbar with the throttle
stuck open, where the engine continued to run until it exploded.

Cheers, Henry Morrison ( my Elva's been through a lot)

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:18:00 -0800
> From: kaskas at cox.net
> To: BillDentin at aol.com; billb at bnj.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts
>
> In 1953 in a race at Aspen Colorado we had a Le Mans start. One guy in a
hurry broke the key off in the dashboard starting or trying to start his car,
another jumped in over the door, through his seat belt and took him a couple
laps to get undone. Another fellow jumped over the door and took the gear
change lever up his pants leg, had to get out and start all over again. I
heard all these stories after the event. Fun for me but a horror some .
>
>
>
>
> --- Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:
> SOVREN does them for certain special events, like enduros or "Lollipop" or
> other handicap races. For the Le Mans start the driver is already in the
car,
> belted in and set to go, while a pit crew member does the running. Kind of
> fun, but just a sideshow.
>
> On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:56 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time,
> > andre at gt6.ca writes:
> >
> >
> >> Why not take it a step further.
> >>
> >> Lemans starts.
> >>
> >> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
> >>
> >
> > The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s. They were
> > exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.
> >
> > Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse
power
> > and talent. In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with
LeMan
> > or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.
> > Adding further complication is looking for trouble. The old bricklayer
term
> > 'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.
> >
> > Bill Dentinger
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
> >
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>
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From riverside at southslope.net  Tue Feb 15 12:41:52 2011
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:41:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire autocrosser engine
Message-ID: <B466A6D1E7F440F8BAE5B7552EC0FCB4@rileyPC>

We are trying to move along on this 1500 motor and are looking at
some options that have led to some questions that exceed our
experience.

How much overbore is safe without sonic testing the block?

How much can the deck be safely cut?

Has anyone used a larger wrist pin and if so how big can
you bore the small end?

What needs to be done to use the larger earlier exhaust valve
in a b78 head

What needs to be done to use the b74 intake in the b78 head?

Is there a way to go to bushed rockers?

Is the outside oiler for the rockers a good ideal?  Any potential
for too much oil to the rockers?

Which of these ideas produce too little juice for the squeeze?

Thanks for all your great advice.

art de armond


From rodkent at cox.net  Tue Feb 15 13:22:51 2011
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:22:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] spitfire hub bolt circle
Message-ID: <20110215152251.TOY6W.1240135.imail@fed1rmwml41>

Hi, easy question for this audience. What size bolt circle does a Spitfire/GT-6 use. I have a set of Panasports I ordered for a build that I am changing direction on, and I am not sure if I ordered a size that will fit the Spitfire and I need to advertize/peddle them. thx, rod


From herald948 at aol.com  Tue Feb 15 14:27:56 2011
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:27:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] spitfire hub bolt circle
In-Reply-To: <20110215152251.TOY6W.1240135.imail@fed1rmwml41>
References: <20110215152251.TOY6W.1240135.imail@fed1rmwml41>
Message-ID: <8CD9B6E58B2399D-1B10-EEFA@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com>

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Hi, easy question for this audience. What size bolt circle does a
Spitfire/GT-6

use.


From wes at hsrca.org.au  Tue Feb 15 15:57:05 2011
From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:57:05 +1100
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
Message-ID: <C9814E11.1AE2%wes@hsrca.org.au>

Historic races in Australia all use standing starts and I agree that the
race to the first corner is one of the highlights of racing. Yes, I have
experienced some 'heart-in-mouth' moments when the car in front suddenly
darts to the left or right, exposing some guy stalled in the middle of the
track frantically waving his arms, but (so far) have always manage to miss
them.

The only Historic races I have witnessed here using rolling starts it when
we have the F5000s running; apparently trying to get one of those things
off the line quickly from standing still results in lots of debris and
little motion. 

Wes Dayton

On 15/02/11 3:49 PM, "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:

>When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing starts...It was
>Wonderful!..
>Racer Bud
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Feb 15 16:03:29 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 00:03:29 +0100
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
In-Reply-To: <C9814E11.1AE2%wes@hsrca.org.au>
References: <3ACA3B059EDA4B4882549ADDE38D9225@Bud>
	<C9814E11.1AE2%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <000801cbcd64$947ec230$bd7c4690$@com>

Last year I had my first pole position and you can bet on.....I missed that
start completely and nearly stalled the engine. Seems that I got nervous
somehow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpDL9YkDX1Q


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Wes Dayton [mailto:wes at hsrca.org.au]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Februar 2011 23:57
An: RACER BUD; MadMarx; FOT
Betreff: Re: [Fot] standing starts

Historic races in Australia all use standing starts and I agree that the
race to the first corner is one of the highlights of racing. Yes, I have
experienced some 'heart-in-mouth' moments when the car in front suddenly
darts to the left or right, exposing some guy stalled in the middle of the
track frantically waving his arms, but (so far) have always manage to miss
them.

The only Historic races I have witnessed here using rolling starts it when
we have the F5000s running; apparently trying to get one of those things
off the line quickly from standing still results in lots of debris and
little motion.

Wes Dayton

On 15/02/11 3:49 PM, "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:

>When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing starts...It was
>Wonderful!..
>Racer Bud
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Feb 15 17:27:43 2011
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:27:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
References: <7a60.15726d31.3a8bee23@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6670E43677A74D25940382BF916FB396@rocky>

Some years ago I did an autocross with a modified "Le Mans Start" (the 
classic run-across Le Mans Start is illegal in SCCA, BTW). Drivers had two 
options, both of which required him to be in the car and fully buckled up.

Option 1 was car off, hand on the key, and at "go" he'd start the car. I 
found it fastest in my car to hit the key with the car already in gear, 
clutch out, gas to the floor. It would buck once and go.

Option 2, for those who feared their car was hard start, was car running but 
in neutral (or Park), both feet flat on the floor and both hands atop his 
helmet. At "go" he could move, hit the steering wheel, gearshift and pedals 
as needed.

Weird, but fun.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
To: <andre at gt6.ca>; <budscars at comcast.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts


> In a message dated 02/15/2011 5:34:38 AM Central Standard Time,
> andre at gt6.ca writes:
>
>
>> Why not take it a step further.
>>
>> Lemans starts.
>>
>> Have to run to the car and hop in. ;)
>>
>
> The VSCDA tried some LeMan type starts in the mid 1980s.  They were
> exciting, and seemed a good idea on paper, but not in practice.
>
> Vintage racing is complicated enough with its wide diversity in horse 
> power
> and talent.  In my opinion adding a further degree of difficulty with 
> LeMan
> or standing starts, inverted grids, etc., etc. are not a good ideas.
> Adding further complication is looking for trouble.  The old bricklayer 
> term
> 'cluster f*ck' comes to mind.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Feb 15 18:24:09 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:24:09 -0800
Subject: [Fot] standing starts
References: <C9814E11.1AE2%wes@hsrca.org.au>
Message-ID: <4D642E5CA6844DC6BD84F7766D596013@Bud>

The standing starts are also 'great equalizers' because some drivers can 
turn very fast lap times, but have no 'racecraft'....while a good driver 
that may have had a mechanical problem in qualifying starts 1/4 of a mile 
back....Having raced in standing starts in FP at Riverside, and having stood 
next to the grid for the standing start of the big bore races(THE GROUND 
SHAKES)!.....It's an experience that every racer should have the opportunity 
to do at least once....It is just SO COOL!!
Racer Bud

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wes Dayton" <wes at hsrca.org.au>
To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>; "MadMarx" 
<tr4racing at googlemail.com>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] standing starts


> Historic races in Australia all use standing starts and I agree that the
> race to the first corner is one of the highlights of racing. Yes, I have
> experienced some 'heart-in-mouth' moments when the car in front suddenly
> darts to the left or right, exposing some guy stalled in the middle of the
> track frantically waving his arms, but (so far) have always manage to miss
> them.
>
> The only Historic races I have witnessed here using rolling starts it when
> we have the F5000s running; apparently trying to get one of those things
> off the line quickly from standing still results in lots of debris and
> little motion.
>
> Wes Dayton
>
> On 15/02/11 3:49 PM, "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>When I began racing with SCCA in 1968...we had standing starts...It was
>>Wonderful!..
>>Racer Bud
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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Wed Feb 16 07:12:11 2011
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:12:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need to contact Chuck Gee
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ZVx3G9p+Af5c_jwiOVCFuk2H3r7fZPh8ZZGCd@mail.gmail.com>

Chuck,

I tried sending an email but haven't heard back from you.  Could you
contact me directly, I need to talk to you about Cam shafts.

Thanks,

Brad


From rodkent at cox.net  Wed Feb 16 09:33:53 2011
From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:33:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] spitfire hub bolt circle
In-Reply-To: <8CD9B6E58B2399D-1B10-EEFA@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20110216113353.787HD.1276828.imail@fed1rmwml45>

Thanks to everyone for the response, turns out they are 3.75. I don't want to misuse the site, is there a forum for selling parts associated with FOT?
---- Andrew Mace <herald948 at aol.com> wrote: 

 4 x 3.75"

 

--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: rodkent <rodkent at cox.net>


Hi, easy question for this audience. What size bolt circle does a Spitfire/GT-6 

use.


From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Feb 16 17:56:49 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 19:56:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Jefferson 500, Summit Point, May 12-14
Message-ID: <C70D6DFF-A897-41D0-B251-5BAE60F78DC2@me.com>

Vintage Racer Group is sponsoring this event, always a great one on  
the east coast.  They just opened for registration in the past few  
days.  Early bird date (free practice day) cut-off is March 15th. www.vrgonline.com
Hope to see some other Triumph racers there.

Scott Janzen
'68 GT6


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Thu Feb 17 05:00:08 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 07:00:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Jefferson 500, Summit Point, May 12-14
In-Reply-To: <C70D6DFF-A897-41D0-B251-5BAE60F78DC2@me.com>
References: <C70D6DFF-A897-41D0-B251-5BAE60F78DC2@me.com>
Message-ID: <60B70554-D507-4E25-B24A-7E28AF3F3DF5@aol.com>

I will be there as crew.

I will also be at VIR April 8-10 as crew.

I will be toting the grill badges with me. Still only $30.

Chris

On Feb 16, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> wrote:

> Vintage Racer Group is sponsoring this event, always a great one on
> the east coast.  They just opened for registration in the past few
> days.  Early bird date (free practice day) cut-off is March 15th.
www.vrgonline.com
> Hope to see some other Triumph racers there.
>
> Scott Janzen
> '68 GT6
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From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Thu Feb 17 05:36:31 2011
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (Chip Collingwood)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 07:36:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Jefferson 500, Summit Point, May 12-14
Message-ID: <380-220112417123631475@earthlink.net>

I am planning on attending. Running my Datsun 510 though...the TR isn't
ready for Vintage yet!


> [Original Message]
> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: 2/16/2011 8:18:47 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Jefferson 500, Summit Point, May 12-14
>
> Vintage Racer Group is sponsoring this event, always a great one on  
> the east coast.  They just opened for registration in the past few  
> days.  Early bird date (free practice day) cut-off is March 15th.
www.vrgonline.com
> Hope to see some other Triumph racers there.
>
> Scott Janzen
> '68 GT6
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Feb 17 08:25:43 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:25:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Jefferson 500, Summit Point, May 12-14
In-Reply-To: <C70D6DFF-A897-41D0-B251-5BAE60F78DC2@me.com>
References: <C70D6DFF-A897-41D0-B251-5BAE60F78DC2@me.com>
Message-ID: <8CD9CCE13C09050-1218-11AA2@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com>

 good to hear that the eastern FOT is emerging from hibernation.

58 degrees here today, but wont last long.










-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Feb 16, 2011 6:56 pm
Subject: [Fot] Jefferson 500, Summit Point, May 12-14


Vintage Racer Group is sponsoring this event, always a great one on

the east coast.  They just opened for registration in the past few

days.  Early bird date (free practice day) cut-off is March 15th.

www.vrgonline.com

Hope to see some other Triumph racers there.



Scott Janzen

'68 GT6

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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 17 10:48:30 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 12:48:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Question
Message-ID: <BLU156-w35D715A012513757CE94D9BAD50@phx.gbl>

Can anybody give me the stock head thickness of a Spitfire MK 3 head?

Thanks,
Marty


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Feb 18 10:04:49 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:04:49 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire answer
In-Reply-To: <BLU156-w35D715A012513757CE94D9BAD50@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU156-w35D715A012513757CE94D9BAD50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000001cbcf8d$f5492120$dfdb6360$@com>

Just to please you.

http://www.triumph-competition.de/images/content/img_4003.jpg


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Feb 18 10:30:53 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:30:53 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire answer
In-Reply-To: <C7A30747-EC99-449F-875F-AA9D20965E87@charter.net>
References: <BLU156-w35D715A012513757CE94D9BAD50@phx.gbl>
	<000001cbcf8d$f5492120$dfdb6360$@com>
	<C7A30747-EC99-449F-875F-AA9D20965E87@charter.net>
Message-ID: <000101cbcf91$9a6bba70$cf432f50$@com>

Nope....the driver did a good job and was good in front of them.
I was lapped...as my engine heated up and I backed off the reach the finish
line.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jerry Barr [mailto:jerrybarr at charter.net]
Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Februar 2011 18:26
An: MadMarx
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Spitfire answer

The assume the Spitfire is being lapped.;-)
On Feb 18, 2011, at 11:04 AM, MadMarx wrote:

> Just to please you.
>
> http://www.triumph-competition.de/images/content/img_4003.jpg
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Fri Feb 18 19:53:40 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 21:53:40 EST
Subject: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter
Message-ID: <77042.3d093c33.3a908ab4@aol.com>

I finally gave up on the oil filter adapter on the GT6 and put the canister 
 back on.  It wasn't fun taking the adapter off or putting the canister 
back  on but it is done and the canister doesn't leak, at least right now.  
We'll  see what happens.
This is what happened with the TR6 when I first put on an adapter.   Tried 
one a few years later from a different vendor and manufacturer.  No  
problems with it now.  I bought the new adapter from a major supplier (the  one for 
the GT) but it just would not quit leaking.
 
Sam


From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Feb 18 20:35:16 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:35:16 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter
References: <77042.3d093c33.3a908ab4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FC8DDC0992B74ADF8C3F50C5B2E4D404@Bud>

You need to be sure to screw the threaded post in far enough so that the 
filter rubber is flush/tight to the adapter so that the oil filter can 
tighten snuggly to the rubber ring..RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <TRDOCTOR at aol.com>
To: <tr6 at atlasok.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>; <thomaschronister at cox.net>; <akgraves at cox.net>; 
<6pack at autox.team.net>; <triumphlist at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 6:53 PM
Subject: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter


>I finally gave up on the oil filter adapter on the GT6 and put the canister
> back on.  It wasn't fun taking the adapter off or putting the canister
> back  on but it is done and the canister doesn't leak, at least right now.
> We'll  see what happens.
> This is what happened with the TR6 when I first put on an adapter.   Tried
> one a few years later from a different vendor and manufacturer.  No
> problems with it now.  I bought the new adapter from a major supplier (the 
> one for
> the GT) but it just would not quit leaking.
>
> Sam
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Fri Feb 18 22:22:27 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:22:27 EST
Subject: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter
Message-ID: <7a710.10cb150c.3a90ad93@aol.com>

The problem wasn't with the filter (once I got one that would fit in the  
allotted space) it seemed to with the adapter itself.  Oh, well. . . 
 
Sam
 
 
In a message dated 2/18/2011 9:35:20 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
budscars at comcast.net writes:

You need  to be sure to screw the threaded post in far enough so that the 
filter  rubber is flush/tight to the adapter so that the oil filter can 
tighten  snuggly to the rubber ring..RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From:  <TRDOCTOR at aol.com>
To: <tr6 at atlasok.com>
Cc:  <fot at autox.team.net>; <thomaschronister at cox.net>;  <akgraves at cox.net>; 
<6pack at autox.team.net>;  <triumphlist at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 6:53  PM
Subject: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter


>I finally gave up on  the oil filter adapter on the GT6 and put the 
canister
> back on.   It wasn't fun taking the adapter off or putting the canister
>  back  on but it is done and the canister doesn't leak, at least right  
now.
> We'll  see what happens.
> This is what happened with  the TR6 when I first put on an adapter.   
Tried
> one a few  years later from a different vendor and manufacturer.  No
>  problems with it now.  I bought the new adapter from a major supplier  
(the 
> one for
> the GT) but it just would not quit  leaking.
>
> Sam
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Sat Feb 19 03:37:53 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:37:53 +1000
Subject: [Fot] tall 1st gear for race TR6
Message-ID: <AANLkTinjK=dR3uuKAmxPa405vfoJ=Ajf11i==muQ=Mpz@mail.gmail.com>

i have a few brand new Leyland Special tuning  1st gears. these are 31
teeth, suit steel bush and have the late model back-cut syncro dog (so they
wont suit early syncro hubs). they are meant to be mated to a 17 tooth
cluster gear as used in late TR6, Stag or Dolomite Sprint. This combination
gives a 2.77 1st gear if you have the 23 x 35 input gear pair. prefer to
swap for other special gears, but will sell outright.
Terry O'Beirne, AUSTRALIA


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Sun Feb 20 12:32:58 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 11:32:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter
In-Reply-To: <7a710.10cb150c.3a90ad93@aol.com>
Message-ID: <924636.37446.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sam: As you said, the problem isn't the filter, it is the adapter. There are
two generations of the adapter. The first has a fixed center and seal. These
were used for years and leaked on enough engines to drive a redesign. The
problem with the fixed center was that the casting tolerences on the area
where the filter mounts allowed the center with it's seal to contact and seal
in the center, before the outer lip sealed on the larger outer seal. An
adapter would work on one motor, and fail to seal on a motor next to it. The
redesign makes the center section and seal spring loaded. It presses inward
until the outer lip makes a seal. You can still buy an older one if you buy a
used one on line. The new style has been out a few years and most inventories
from the big suppliers should have only new ones if they rotate stock. A block
that has the sealing problem,could be "fixed" during a rebuild if you machine
some material from the center sealing
 area. I don't know how much should be removed...what the difference should be
between the two surfaces. In any case, it would be less expensive to just
purchase the new style adapter.
-Ed Barnard-    

--- On Fri, 2/18/11, TRDOCTOR at aol.com <TRDOCTOR at aol.com> wrote:


From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com <TRDOCTOR at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter
To: budscars at comcast.net, tr6 at atlasok.com
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net, thomaschronister at cox.net, akgraves at cox.net,
fot at autox.team.net, triumphlist at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, February 18, 2011, 11:22 PM


The problem wasn't with the filter (once I got one that would fit in the 
allotted space) it seemed to with the adapter itself.  Oh, well. . .

Sam


In a message dated 2/18/2011 9:35:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
budscars at comcast.net writes:

You need  to be sure to screw the threaded post in far enough so that the
filter  rubber is flush/tight to the adapter so that the oil filter can
tighten  snuggly to the rubber ring..RB
----- Original Message -----
From:  <TRDOCTOR at aol.com>
To: <tr6 at atlasok.com>
Cc:  <fot at autox.team.net>; <thomaschronister at cox.net>;  <akgraves at cox.net>;
<6pack at autox.team.net>;  <triumphlist at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 6:53  PM
Subject: [Fot] Oil Filter Adapter


>I finally gave up on  the oil filter adapter on the GT6 and put the
canister
> back on.   It wasn't fun taking the adapter off or putting the canister
>  back  on but it is done and the canister doesn't leak, at least right 
now.
> We'll  see what happens.
> This is what happened with  the TR6 when I first put on an adapter.   
Tried
> one a few  years later from a different vendor and manufacturer.  No
>  problems with it now.  I bought the new adapter from a major supplier 
(the
> one for
> the GT) but it just would not quit  leaking.
>
> Sam
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Mon Feb 21 03:48:49 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 05:48:49 EST
Subject: [Fot] [6pack]  Oil Filter Adapter
Message-ID: <458bb.19d6904c.3a939d11@aol.com>

I was trying to eliminate the drain back of oil when not running, but, I  
guess that I will just stick with the canister even though it is a PITA to  
change the filter.  I'll just make sure that I have a good filter.   The one 
I put in there was a VB brand (whatever that is) but in the future I  will 
stock up on some others.
When we bought the car I was sure that it was the same filter as the TR6,  s
ince it is the same configuration, but that turned out not to be the  case. 
 The TR6 filter is bigger in diameter and deeper.  
Sam and Carol Clark
Green Country Triumphs (Tulsa)
 
Just stick with the original filter. My mechanic says they're better for  
many
reasons. I know lots of folks love the spin on, so I'm not trying to  start 
a
big thread on which is better. Just my opinion.

Sloane  :)
69-Six


From andre at gt6.ca  Mon Feb 21 05:08:43 2011
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:08:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Oil Filter Adapter
In-Reply-To: <458bb.19d6904c.3a939d11@aol.com>
References: <458bb.19d6904c.3a939d11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinoa_oRue5m520eLWCapGzDNWQRxTMp-Ru_1jw=@mail.gmail.com>

Go with the K&N filters.

Anti drain back valve.

Following filters will work with the GT6 spin on and clear the steering
shaft.

Oil Filter  Fram CHP3682, K&N's # HP1002
http://gt6.ca/08/0525/slides/DSCN3605.html

You have to remove the whole setup to do a filter change, but still
works decent.
Oil cooler setup is slight more involved.

http://gt6.ca/07/0919b/slides/DSCN2633.html with Fram (I use for winter
storage)

A.

On 21 February 2011 05:48,  <TRDOCTOR at aol.com> wrote:
> I was trying to eliminate the drain back of oil when not running, but, I
> guess that I will just stick with the canister even though it is a PITA to
> change the filter.  I'll just make sure that I have a good filter.   The
one
> I put in there was a VB brand (whatever that is) but in the future I  will
> stock up on some others.
> When we bought the car I was sure that it was the same filter as the TR6,
 s
> ince it is the same configuration, but that turned out not to be the  case.
>  The TR6 filter is bigger in diameter and deeper.
> Sam and Carol Clark
> Green Country Triumphs (Tulsa)
>
> Just stick with the original filter. My mechanic says they're better for
> many
> reasons. I know lots of folks love the spin on, so I'm not trying to  start
> a
> big thread on which is better. Just my opinion.
>
> Sloane  :)
> 69-Six
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From TRDOCTOR at aol.com  Mon Feb 21 05:37:21 2011
From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:37:21 EST
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Oil Filter Adapter
Message-ID: <48119.11dd540a.3a93b681@aol.com>

I think that I will just stick with the original and find a Wix or
Purolator filter.  I am sick of messing with it especially if I have to
remove the
adapter to change the filter.
Sam


In a message dated 2/21/2011 6:08:48 A.M. Central Standard Time,
andre at gt6.ca writes:

Go with  the K&N filters.

Anti drain back valve.

Following filters  will work with the GT6 spin on and clear the steering
shaft.

Oil Filter  b Fram CHP3682, K&N's #  HP1002
http://gt6.ca/08/0525/slides/DSCN3605.html

You have to remove  the whole setup to do a filter change, but still
works decent.
Oil  cooler setup is slight more  involved.

http://gt6.ca/07/0919b/slides/DSCN2633.html with Fram (I use  for winter
storage)

A.

On 21 February 2011 05:48,   <TRDOCTOR at aol.com> wrote:
> I was trying to eliminate the drain  back of oil when not running, but, I
> guess that I will just stick with  the canister even though it is a PITA
to
> change the filter.  I'll  just make sure that I have a good filter.   The
one
> I put in  there was a VB brand (whatever that is) but in the future I
will
>  stock up on some others.
> When we bought the car I was sure that it was  the same filter as the
TR6,  s
> ince it is the same configuration,  but that turned out not to be the
case.
>  The TR6 filter is  bigger in diameter and deeper.
> Sam and Carol Clark
> Green  Country Triumphs (Tulsa)
>
> Just stick with the original filter.  My mechanic says they're better for
> many
> reasons. I know lots  of folks love the spin on, so I'm not trying to
start
> a
>  big thread on which is better. Just my opinion.
>
> Sloane  :)
> 69-Six
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From bill at kenalu.com  Mon Feb 21 08:04:31 2011
From: bill at kenalu.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 05:04:31 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Peyote Running With Big Boys
Message-ID: <4D44F463-68AF-4284-9E34-E9B1FB9CA54E@kenalu.com>

I'm playing around with video editing software, so I reworked a in-car video
shot at the 2010 Columbia River Classic where I moved Peyote up to run in the
Big Bore class. Fun races, I like tiptoeing around with those big guys.
http://www.xgeez.com/2011/02/peyote-races-with-the-big-boys/  Still kind of
long--about 20 minutes, but it's fun. Really shows off how easy Peyote is to
drive.

Bill Babcock
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Mon Feb 21 10:48:13 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:48:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Peyote Running With Big Boys
In-Reply-To: <4D44F463-68AF-4284-9E34-E9B1FB9CA54E@kenalu.com>
Message-ID: <827125.95190.qm@smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Nice commentary detailing the strategy, I enjoyed the insight. 

Paul 

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Sent: February 21, 2011 10:05 AM
To: Friends of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Peyote Running With Big Boys

I'm playing around with video editing software, so I reworked a in-car video
shot at the 2010 Columbia River Classic where I moved Peyote up to run in
the Big Bore class. Fun races, I like tiptoeing around with those big guys.
http://www.xgeez.com/2011/02/peyote-races-with-the-big-boys/  Still kind of
long--about 20 minutes, but it's fun. Really shows off how easy Peyote is to
drive.

Bill Babcock
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Feb 21 10:52:46 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:52:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Peyote Running With Big Boys
References: <4D44F463-68AF-4284-9E34-E9B1FB9CA54E@kenalu.com>
Message-ID: <805814359A4B417EA580984AF71D1942@Bud>

Enjoyable video Bill......and probably very infomative for newr drivers...RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <bill at kenalu.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 7:04 AM
Subject: [Fot] Peyote Running With Big Boys


> I'm playing around with video editing software, so I reworked a in-car 
> video
> shot at the 2010 Columbia River Classic where I moved Peyote up to run in 
> the
> Big Bore class. Fun races, I like tiptoeing around with those big guys.
> http://www.xgeez.com/2011/02/peyote-races-with-the-big-boys/  Still kind 
> of
> long--about 20 minutes, but it's fun. Really shows off how easy Peyote is 
> to
> drive.
>
> Bill Babcock
> bill at kenalu.com
>
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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Mon Feb 21 14:19:12 2011
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:19:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors
Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A8957FC@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>

Afternoon FOTer's,

What's everybody doing (brand wise, vendor wise) when it's time to
replace the GT6 rotors on your F production Spitfire race car??? I was
wanting to get cyro'ed rotors from Powerslot/Centric parts as they are a
vendor of my company but they only offer the Spitfire rotor.  Killed
mine at Atlanta this weekend and got to get ready for the next race. All
comments/suggestions are welcomed.

Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax
www.dieselperformanceparts.com


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Feb 21 15:04:13 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:04:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors
In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A8957FC@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>
Message-ID: <291239050.710925.1298325853114.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

US Cryogenics, Nashville, TN

I haven't spoken with them but most companies charge by the pound.





jim g






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From: "Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info" <info at dieselperformanceparts.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 2:19:12 PM
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors

Afternoon FOTer's,

What's everybody doing (brand wise, vendor wise) when it's time to
replace the GT6 rotors on your F production Spitfire race car??? I was
wanting to get cyro'ed rotors from Powerslot/Centric parts as they are a
vendor of my company but they only offer the Spitfire rotor. B Killed
mine at Atlanta this weekend and got to get ready for the next race. All
comments/suggestions are welcomed.

Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
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615-834-9923 Fax
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Mon Feb 21 15:20:27 2011
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony & Annie Garmey)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:20:27 -0800
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP169E9BCE0C912FAE7862C2FB2D90@phx.gbl>

Coleman racing ! They make there rotos from your sample/drawing. Not cheap....but you get what you pay for !

"Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info" <info at dieselperformanceparts.com> wrote:

>Afternoon FOTer's,
>
>What's everybody doing (brand wise, vendor wise) when it's time to
>replace the GT6 rotors on your F production Spitfire race car??? I was
>wanting to get cyro'ed rotors from Powerslot/Centric parts as they are a
>vendor of my company but they only offer the Spitfire rotor.  Killed
>mine at Atlanta this weekend and got to get ready for the next race. All
>comments/suggestions are welcomed.
>
>Mark Craig
>Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
>411 Allied Drive
>Nashville, TN 37211
>866-455-7788 Phone
>615-834-9923 Fax
>www.dieselperformanceparts.com
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Wed Feb 23 07:09:10 2011
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:09:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors
In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A8957FC@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>
References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A8957FC@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>
Message-ID: <000001cbd363$3e8cf7c0$bba6e740$@rr.com>

Well, if you were to move up north for a bit the cryo-treatment is free. We
had 12 below zero this AM. Can't even think about racing yet! Think of all
the money you could save, not being able to race for 7 months out of the
year!

Russ Moore
In the frozen tundra of upstate NY where taxes are high and temps low!

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 4:19 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors

Afternoon FOTer's,

What's everybody doing (brand wise, vendor wise) when it's time to
replace the GT6 rotors on your F production Spitfire race car??? I was
wanting to get cyro'ed rotors from Powerslot/Centric parts as they are a
vendor of my company but they only offer the Spitfire rotor.  Killed
mine at Atlanta this weekend and got to get ready for the next race. All
comments/suggestions are welcomed.

Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax
www.dieselperformanceparts.com
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Wed Feb 23 13:52:30 2011
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (wgrosenbach at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:52:30 GMT
Subject: [Fot] CVAR @ TWS
Message-ID: <20110223.135230.22985.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com>

Greetings all,How does CVAR deal with a non-member, non-competitor who arrives
to Spectate?
Thanks,Bill

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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Feb 23 14:30:29 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:30:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] take bids to ship a car
Message-ID: <1354613741.811407.1298496629094.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

FoT, 

A friend sent me this link. You can take bids to ship your car(s). His shipping cost turned out to be 

1/2 of what was quoted when calling shipping companies. 



http://www.uship.com/ 





Jim G 


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Feb 23 15:17:43 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:17:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] CVAR @ TWS
In-Reply-To: <20110223.135230.22985.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110223.135230.22985.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A1B93DC48BA@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

The best bet is to get tickets from a participant. We each get 4 with a
registration. I'm not registered but both the Blakes and Bobby Whitehead may
have some extras they can email you.

Bob Kramer
Texas Rental Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell
Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the
keys to your success.
~Mac Anderson





-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 2:53 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] CVAR @ TWS

Greetings all,How does CVAR deal with a non-member, non-competitor who
arrives
to Spectate?
Thanks,Bill

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From seacubeco at aol.com  Fri Feb 25 13:41:47 2011
From: seacubeco at aol.com (seacubeco at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:41:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Grill Badges
Message-ID: <8CDA3438E30CE61-23C8-649@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>

Amici,

 If there is anyone out there that has paid but not received their badge
PLEASE PLEASE contact me.  I don't want to overlook anyone or even give the
hint of screwing someone out of their money.

I believe that I sent them all out but I want to make sure.


I do have extras and I will be bringing them to the races I go to. Still only
$30.   Next race is at VIR, Wild Hare Run April 8-10.  I am crewing for the
275 team MGA (it was given to them, they have TR's for home use) just look me
up if I don't find the FOT gang.

Thanks
Chris


From sjanzen at me.com  Fri Feb 25 20:08:17 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:08:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Valve Guide Mysteries
Message-ID: <B837C939-046E-401A-AD0C-34E3E5CB9745@me.com>

Most times when I work on this car I discover how much I have yet to  
learn about it and cars in general - mostly this is fun . . . and  
another way of saying I feel like I ask a lot of questions as a result  
of basic ignorance!  Anyway, you might recall that I posted about a  
"dropped" valve guide the other day (intake) - it had moved into the  
intake passage at least .20".  Stem to guide clearances seem to be in  
line, and the interference fit mic'ed out correctly.
I picked up a few replacement guides and noticed that the lengths of  
what I purchased and what installed vary considerably.

Installed - 2.07" (both intake and exhaust) - this means the intakes  
protrude more above the head and more into the port.
the odd one that dropped - 2.16"
New ones from a reputable source - either 2.03" or 2.27".  I would  
assume the longer ones are the exhaust, given the head configuration,  
but would love to have someone confirm that.
Available travel before the retainer hits the top of the guide - 0.58"
Gross valve lift with current rockers - 0.490"
Net valve lift after clearance - 0.475"

OK, so the extra length may be why the odd intake guide moved, though  
it moved a lot more than the extra protrusion would indicate.

BTW, the factory manual says the valve guides are supposed to be 2.72"  
long!  Don't know how they fit, unless they protruded halfway into the  
air passages, and of course the valve lift was less.

So, the questions are -
1. which is supposed to be the longer guide - the intake or exhaust?
2. how much clearance is enough between keeper and guide top?
3. how much should the guide protrude into the air passage?  In the  
current installation, the intakes protrude about 0.2-.25", and the  
exhaust not at all.


From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Sat Feb 26 15:49:27 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 08:49:27 +1000
Subject: [Fot] RE GT6 guides
Message-ID: <AANLkTinH=5_MCN1SKT4Q0uAf70t1Bn5+EU8g3BTyB6b1@mail.gmail.com>

the guides are different Mk1 to Mk2 head, and you havge no said which it is

there were at least 6 different guides over the life of the 6 cyl and some
wholesalers sell guides for a few other cars, as the ID/OD dimenions are
identical but length varies

I'll go into the workshop on monday and measure some

terry o'beirne


From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat Feb 26 17:00:43 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 18:00:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca/Kastner Cup Weekend
Message-ID: <4D69942B.7080806@pobox.com>

My apologies if this question has already been asked.  Will there be any 
opportunity for street cars to drive the track?
Larry Young


From billb at bnj.com  Sat Feb 26 18:06:25 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 15:06:25 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca/Kastner Cup Weekend
In-Reply-To: <4D69942B.7080806@pobox.com>
References: <4D69942B.7080806@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <952BB786-E9BF-4CA1-A9AC-E5E81FAC1549@bnj.com>

Highly unlikely.
On Feb 26, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Larry Young wrote:

> My apologies if this question has already been asked.  Will there be any
opportunity for street cars to drive the track?
> Larry Young
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sat Feb 26 20:41:30 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 22:41:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] RE GT6 guides
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinH=5_MCN1SKT4Q0uAf70t1Bn5+EU8g3BTyB6b1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinH=5_MCN1SKT4Q0uAf70t1Bn5+EU8g3BTyB6b1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03D91389-7CDE-4BAE-A8C0-12CF1EF89399@me.com>

thanks - it's a later style head, not a MkI.
The interference fit on the guide that moved, on second examination,  
was not adequate.  It looks like Jaguar guides are about a 1/4"  
longer, 5/1000 larger diameter, and can easily be reamed out, turned  
down and shortened.
Unless I find someone that supplies oversize guides, this is the  
approach I'll take.

On Feb 26, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:

the guides are different Mk1 to Mk2 head, and you havge no said which  
it is

there were at least 6 different guides over the life of the 6 cyl and  
some wholesalers sell guides for a few other cars, as the ID/OD  
dimenions are identical but length varies

I'll go into the workshop on monday and measure some

terry o'beirne


From triumphs at consolidated.net  Sat Feb 26 23:21:35 2011
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home PC)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 00:21:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca/Kastner Cup Weekend
References: <4D69942B.7080806@pobox.com>
	<952BB786-E9BF-4CA1-A9AC-E5E81FAC1549@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <5FEDBAFE08D840F0A8A994FAA8288447@0817C93C637E473>

Not even a noon time parade lap?

Ken Gano

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To: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Seca/Kastner Cup Weekend


> Highly unlikely.
> On Feb 26, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Larry Young wrote:
>
>> My apologies if this question has already been asked.  Will there be any
> opportunity for street cars to drive the track?
>> Larry Young
>> _______________________________________________
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Sun Feb 27 08:49:05 2011
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 10:49:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] NOS Spitfire/GT-6 4.11:1 R & P(2)
Message-ID: <000001cbd695$dd605420$9820fc60$@rr.com>

Before I list these on Fleabay, I wanted to offer them to FOT. These are
both Leyland NOS R&P sets part # 518843 still in the original box and
wrapped in oil paper. I can send pictures. These are a direct bolt in on the
later style Mk 4 and 1500 Spitfire diff case as well as the GT-6 case. This
allows the use of the stronger stub axles and bearings. This is not to be
confused with the weaker Mk 1, 2 and 3 4.11 gear sets. I am selling these to
raise the funds to go racing this spring hopefully. I also have an original
NOS MGB stepped reamer still in its wax casing. I got rid of the MG flavored
cars years back so I no longer see a need for this. This is used for the
installation and sizing of new front suspension bushings during a front end
rebuild.

If interested please contact me off line via e-mail. 

 

Russ Moore

Spitfire #49


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sun Feb 27 13:54:17 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:54:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup photo's
Message-ID: <20110227205600.C52CE18764E@autox.team.net>

FoT,

I was wondering if anyone has a copy of the photo taken of the grid from the
starters position

they might be willing to share, or any other Cup photo's for that matter.

Thanks,

Jim G


From horizonracing at msn.com  Sun Feb 27 19:51:47 2011
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 18:51:47 -0800
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup photo's
In-Reply-To: <20110227205600.C52CE18764E@autox.team.net>
References: <20110227205600.C52CE18764E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <SNT141-w40C3F590E0B0BDBEA51E23B2DE0@phx.gbl>

www.nwspeedshots.com

> From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:54:17 -0700
> Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup photo's
>
> FoT,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has a copy of the photo taken of the grid from
the
> starters position
>
> they might be willing to share, or any other Cup photo's for that matter.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim G
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Sun Feb 27 20:56:33 2011
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 21:56:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup photo's
In-Reply-To: <20110227205600.C52CE18764E@autox.team.net>
References: <20110227205600.C52CE18764E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000001cbd6fb$7e257330$7a705990$@com>

I have some photos from the starters position on the Kastner cup grid if you
are interested I can e-mail them to you.  They are about 2.5 Mb for each
file.

Tim Murphy

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Jim Gray
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 2:54 PM
To: Friends of triumph
Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup photo's

FoT,

I was wondering if anyone has a copy of the photo taken of the grid from the
starters position

they might be willing to share, or any other Cup photo's for that matter.

Thanks,

Jim G
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Mon Feb 28 04:46:34 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 21:46:34 +1000
Subject: [Fot] new gearbox gears
Message-ID: <AANLkTikTeF+2A12jObY9hrW7=vTmi3m=ybOeugAn3iD4@mail.gmail.com>

i have unearthed a bit of a stash of brand new triumph gearbox gears. they
are with a company that is closing and used to do a lot of gearbox rebuilds.
if anyone is chasing something, please email me with part number and I'll
happily look over next week or so while i'm chasing some for myself. There
seems to be gears & hubs for models TR, 2000, Spitfire, GT6 + a few oddities
like front-drive Toledo etc . So far, i have not seen any TR cluster
gears/shafts, but they may be lurking deeper. I doubt there will be much (if
any) TR7 stuff and definitely no NOS syncro cones

Terry O'Beirne
AUSTRALIA


From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Mon Feb 28 08:35:37 2011
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:35:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotors Help
Message-ID: <C22F4A3F0AA3EA488D30A42FC8A4817639AD8F102A@DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local>

Hey Listers,

What's the best source for GT6 rotors for a racing Spitfire. I know of all the
normal outlets for pats, but am concerned that I get the best quality for the
purpose of racing. I plan to cyro the rotors and would really like some that
are slotted if anyone knows of them somewhere. As always thanks!!

Mark Craig
615-347-0260


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 28 10:37:07 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:37:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Belts and Harnesses
Message-ID: <BLU156-w318503112B61470A70F6CDBADE0@phx.gbl>

I will probably end up buying a new set of harnesses for the Spit this year.
For autoxing all that was required was 4 points.  For the Spit I will need to
go 5 or 6 point.  Is there any strong opinions as to which is better? I would
think the 6 point would be more, er, forgiving in case of being actually put
to use.  What say the masses?

Thanks,
Marty


From bownes at seiri.com  Mon Feb 28 10:51:00 2011
From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:51:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Belts and Harnesses
In-Reply-To: <BLU156-w318503112B61470A70F6CDBADE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU156-w318503112B61470A70F6CDBADE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <44E897C8-1F37-4927-8BCC-50213D4F042F@seiri.com>

My feeling is the more points you can distribute the load over, the better.





On Feb 28, 2011, at 12:37 PM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I will probably end up buying a new set of harnesses for the Spit this
year.
> For autoxing all that was required was 4 points.  For the Spit I will need
to
> go 5 or 6 point.  Is there any strong opinions as to which is better? I
would
> think the 6 point would be more, er, forgiving in case of being actually
put
> to use.  What say the masses?
>
> Thanks,
> Marty
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From sjanzen at me.com  Mon Feb 28 14:28:46 2011
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:28:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ARP torque setting for main cap studs - TR6, GT6
Message-ID: <1EBDE74C-8C92-479A-9F81-C4FE77E0C702@me.com>

anybody know what this reading supposed to be?  I've mislaid the info  
that came with the studs.  I'm assuming it ought to be more than  
factory.


From gaf3 at charter.net  Mon Feb 28 16:25:43 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:25:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Stag Transmission Parts
Message-ID: <4D6C2EF7.8040701@charter.net>

Hi
I'm trying to locate a source for the Borg Warner Automatic Transmission 
parts for a Club Members Stag.
I have the Automatic Stripped down and I'm having a difficult time 
locating parts. I need the standard stuff for a rebuild. Gaskets, seals 
clutches and steels and a few other parts.
Rimmer doesn't have anything much on their website.
Does anyone out there  have a source for these parts. The usual 
suppliers don't have any stock for the British built Automatic.
Are there any Stag Mail Lists I could post a message on?
Thanks in advance
Glenn Franco


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Feb 28 16:50:21 2011
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:50:21 EST
Subject: [Fot] Stag Transmission Parts
Message-ID: <5a02c.7919de21.3a9d8ebd@aol.com>

What trans is this?  BW type 8 as in the Jags?  I have a spare  type 8 from 
a 69 Jag if it helps you...
 
 
In a message dated 2/28/2011 3:46:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
gaf3 at charter.net writes:

Hi
I'm trying to locate a source for the Borg Warner Automatic  Transmission 
parts for a Club Members Stag.
I have the Automatic  Stripped down and I'm having a difficult time 
locating parts. I need the  standard stuff for a rebuild. Gaskets, seals 
clutches and steels and a few  other parts.
Rimmer doesn't have anything much on their website.
Does  anyone out there  have a source for these parts. The usual 
suppliers  don't have any stock for the British built Automatic.
Are there any Stag  Mail Lists I could post a message on?
Thanks in advance
Glenn  Franco
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Feb 28 17:46:46 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:46:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Stag Transmission Parts
In-Reply-To: <4D6C2EF7.8040701@charter.net>
References: <4D6C2EF7.8040701@charter.net>
Message-ID: <156301cbd7aa$24e6f8c0$6eb4ea40$@rr.com>

You could try at
http://www.triumphstag.net/start/phorum/list.php?1

Anything posted there will, in theory at least, get copied to the Stag mail
list.

You should probably mention if it is a BW35 (early Stag) or BW65 (late Stag)
as they are different.  Also used in several other cars of the period, so it
shouldn't be too hard to track down some parts for them.  Eg,
http://atransmission.info/bw37tb-81-up-master-rebuild-kit-with-steels-saab-b
w-35tb-3sp-fwd.html

-- Randall 


From LOddTR at aol.com  Tue Feb 22 17:31:52 2011
From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:31:52 -0000
Subject: [Fot] Be There or Be Square - The 5th Annual Martha McDougal
	Races	ate VIR 4/8 - 4/10
Message-ID: <3203.4cc42792.3a95af6e@aol.com>

Now that everyone is shaking off the cobwebs, except for those fortunate  
souls that attended last week's VDCA event at Road Atlanta, it's time to plan 
 your April outings!
 
The 5th Annual Martha McDougal award will be presented to a special TR  
Racer at the VDCA Wild Hare on VIR's fantastic 3.3 mile track in April. The TR  
Ghetto will again host the Friday evening cookout which has been known to  
feature a fine collection of foods and beverages. 
 
In addition to the fellowship of your favorite TR buddies, you will enjoy  
more track time than you are likely to buy fuel for. This event is a great 
way  to dive into the 2011 season and have a ball while you're at it. So mark 
your  calendar and load your trailer - BE THERE OR BE SQUARE!
 
THE TR GHETTO
For entry details go to - _http://http://www.vintagedrive.com/_ 
(http://http://www.vintagedrive.com/) 
 
Here is the story of the trophy and why it was named for  Martha:
 
 
This Trophy honors Ms. Martha McDougal, a woman who toiled  in almost total 
obscurity for many years at the Triumph automobile plant in  Coventry, 
England.  According to sources believed to be reliable, Martha  was born in 
Coventry in January, 1923. Her parents were tragically killed in the  Blitz and 
Martha was left an orphan at age 16. Although she was not overly  bright, 
she was very resourceful and within months had gotten a job at the  Standard 
Triumph factory emptying the dust bins. Throughout the war and until  the 
demise of the company, Martha made the rounds, day after day, month after  
month, year after year, transferring the trash into her cart and then into the  
large bins behind the factory, without complaint or even one day's absence.  

Over the years Martha became known as the single person who had  completed 
the most "laps" of the Triumph factory and, upon her retirement a few  
months before the final closing of the Coventry plant, she was honored with a  
bronzed pair of high top Keds, her signature footwear.  It is rumored that  at 
the presentation, Sir John himself reminisced about how Martha, who had an  
endearing habit of assigning nicknames to all the staff, would push past 
him in  the hallway and mumble, "Get out of my way you fat  bastard".