From ac at camoletti.ch Fri Apr 1 02:56:23 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 11:56:23 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Tubular pushrods Message-ID: <004401cbf053$0f484f20$2dd8ed60$@camoletti.ch> Amici, Any thoughts about the TR3-4 tubular chrome moly pushrods sold by TRF at 99? Are these better or worse than the Moss tubular rods TT 1133? Comments appreciated before I purchase! Thank you and enjoy the we! Alex From brad.kahler at 141.com Fri Apr 1 17:29:37 2011 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 20:29:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Torque specs needed ASAP! Message-ID: I'm hoping someone will have a good idea of what torque to use for fastening the flywheel to Susan's 1300 Spitfire motor. It has a Moldex crank, aluminum flywheel and ARP bolts with ARP washers. The thread size is 3/8x24. I will also be using loctite during the install. Any suggestions on torque spec? Thanks! Brad From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Apr 1 18:38:35 2011 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 01:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Air dam Tr6 In-Reply-To: <1751383795.98835.1301707663280.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <698526733.99165.1301708315767.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hello everyoneB B Can anyone tell me how the stock air dam came to be and how effective it is. All the current racers i have seen are using a straight to the ground flat air damB Its in keeping with the brick motif. I am considering keepingB the stock air dam and dropping a skirt straight to the ground below it.B I B haven't a clue if this will be more effectiveB and perhapsB the single straight damB is best. I have never tested the car with out the stock air damB B as i think about it now itB could of been a simple change to make on a test dayB The rules and the B added material thing B are a drag. B I would love a projectB to plate to underside of the car with light aluminumB B B B B B Thanks for the feed backB B B B rob From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Apr 1 19:26:39 2011 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:26:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Air dam Tr6 In-Reply-To: <698526733.99165.1301708315767.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <698526733.99165.1301708315767.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <345F828C-7BBE-4CB8-A7CC-51F8FE74CB0A@wi.rr.com> Just be sure to duct the front brakes! Allen On Apr 1, 2011, at 8:38 PM, 19to1tr6 at comcast.net wrote: > Hello everyoneB B > > Can anyone tell me how the stock air dam came to be and how > effective it is. > All the current racers i have seen are using a straight to the > ground flat air > damB Its in keeping with the brick motif. I am considering > keepingB the > stock air dam and dropping a skirt straight to the ground below > it.B I > B haven't a clue if this will be more effectiveB and perhapsB the > single > straight damB is best. I have never tested the car with out the > stock air > damB B as i think about it now itB could of been a simple change > to make on > a test dayB The rules and the B added material thing B are a drag. > B I > would love a projectB to plate to underside of the car with light > aluminumB B B B B B Thanks for the feed backB B B B rob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Apr 1 19:56:36 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:56:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Torque specs needed ASAP! Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E73638@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> The ARP instruction sheet should come into play here. Mine says 40 lb/ft with ARP Moly Lube or 60 lb/ft with 30 weight. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Fri Apr 01 19:29:37 2011 Subject: [Fot] Torque specs needed ASAP! I'm hoping someone will have a good idea of what torque to use for fastening the flywheel to Susan's 1300 Spitfire motor. It has a Moldex crank, aluminum flywheel and ARP bolts with ARP washers. The thread size is 3/8x24. I will also be using loctite during the install. Any suggestions on torque spec? Thanks! Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Fri Apr 1 22:43:25 2011 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:43:25 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 QUAIFE Straight Cut Gear Set Message-ID: Anyone using the QUAIFE straight cut gear set for TR4-6? I have a particular question reading the set up of the Lay/Countershaft gear and the STD thrust washers. The QUAIFE set has a portion of the centre gear protruding through and past the gear. This means that the splined shaft actually runs on the LARGE thrust washers instead of a nice ground face like the STD original. That just doesn't make any sense to me! Cheers. 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[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image003.jpg] From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat Apr 2 02:13:29 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 19:13:29 +1000 Subject: [Fot] alloy water pump housing TR6 Message-ID: can anyone point me towards a reputable supplier of an alloy water pump housing for the 6 cyl engine. thanks Terry From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Apr 2 05:09:12 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 08:09:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR & Kas' new book. will bring to VIR if you wish. Message-ID: <8CDBF45E98FA0DE-21E0-31A9@webmail-d136.sysops.aol.com> FOT @ VIR If you want to save shipping costs, I will bring Kas' newest book to those who want one. Let me know and I will allocate one for you. Anything else? Joe From stutzmans at comcast.net Sat Apr 2 06:57:41 2011 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:57:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR Message-ID: <5F033A82933C44588B1D56BBDA3507D1@ComputerPC> Do any of you who are running at VIR have extra crew passes for a couple fellow travelers from WPTA? Bruce Stutzman and Ed Major From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sat Apr 2 10:37:07 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 12:37:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Torque specs needed ASAP! Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E7363F@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Barry's right on the chamfer of the bolt holes to clear the radius under the new bolt head. I bought new ones last year as direct replacements for the old ARP bolts. The heads popped off of three of them in the first session. We now have chamfered bolt holes. Scott B. ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Munson To: Barr, Scott Sent: Sat Apr 02 12:30:58 2011 Subject: RE: [Fot] Torque specs needed ASAP! Hi Brad - FYI - As I'm in the process of installing the flywheel on my TR3 motor using ARP flywheel bolts, the instructions emphasize the following: "Do NOT use any washers with ARP Flywheel Bolts. They are designed to be installed without them. ARP will NOT be responsible for failure resulting from using a washer with this kit. Make sure that flywheel bolt holes are chamfered adequately to clear radius under the head of the bolt." Torque specs are as Scott has indicated. Barry. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: April-01-11 8:57 PM To: brad.kahler at 141.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Torque specs needed ASAP! The ARP instruction sheet should come into play here. Mine says 40 lb/ft with ARP Moly Lube or 60 lb/ft with 30 weight. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Fri Apr 01 19:29:37 2011 Subject: [Fot] Torque specs needed ASAP! I'm hoping someone will have a good idea of what torque to use for fastening the flywheel to Susan's 1300 Spitfire motor. It has a Moldex crank, aluminum flywheel and ARP bolts with ARP washers. The thread size is 3/8x24. I will also be using loctite during the install. Any suggestions on torque spec? Thanks! Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/barry at penybryn.ca From klynch_6 at msn.com Sat Apr 2 16:46:23 2011 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:46:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 trans cover pattern ? Message-ID: Group: With our brief warm spell here, am finally reassembling the #6 car. While doing so I was mulling over replacing my forlorn looking t-cover with alum. sheet. Have a half sheet that's been lurking in the shed for 3-4 yrs. Any thoughts, or GT6/Spit bucks/patterns exist I could duplicate ? good weekend all - Kevin From mark at bradakis.com Sat Apr 2 17:17:03 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 18:17:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 trans cover pattern ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D97BC7F.4050402@bradakis.com> Keep in mind that the starter on the GT6 is on the right side, the left side on a Spit. The clearance bulges are different. We've been getting some warm spring weather here in Salt Lake, I may actually get out to the garage and take care of some long overdue car stuff this weekend. mjb. From herald948 at aol.com Sat Apr 2 19:26:00 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 22:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 trans cover pattern ? In-Reply-To: <4D97BC7F.4050402@bradakis.com> References: <4D97BC7F.4050402@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CDBFBD9AEE6875-185C-A621@webmail-d031.sysops.aol.com> On the other hand, a later Herald 1200 cover is the same shape all around. The only difference is the location of the hole for the shift lever, which is further back on the Vitesse/GT6 than on the Herald. (Earlier Herald covers are the same as Spitfire.) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis Keep in mind that the starter on the GT6 is on the right side, the left side on a Spit. The clearance bulges are different. From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Apr 3 09:20:16 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 11:20:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 trans cover pattern ? Message-ID: <2e0a7.6c8631f1.3ac9ea30@aol.com> I'm about to embark on the same project, even have the sheet already. One poser that I'm still stewing on is the front flange to the firewall cutout. I'm thinking this should be thicker, maybe .125. Beyond that, I'm thinking of bringing the sides straight down to use Dzus fasteners instead of the stock bent flange and screws. Maybe even rubeer stretch grips, whqatever they're called... In a message dated 4/2/2011 7:54:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: On the other hand, a later Herald 1200 cover is the same shape all around. The only difference is the location of the hole for the shift lever, which is further back on the Vitesse/GT6 than on the Herald. (Earlier Herald covers are the same as Spitfire.) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis Keep in mind that the starter on the GT6 is on the right side, the left side on a Spit. The clearance bulges are different. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From jason at multivintage.com Sun Apr 3 16:33:37 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 17:33:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 trans cover pattern ? In-Reply-To: <2e0a7.6c8631f1.3ac9ea30@aol.com> References: <2e0a7.6c8631f1.3ac9ea30@aol.com> Message-ID: The Dzus is a great idea. Ive been wanting to do that too. Those screws seem to have to come off quite often...I have to take mine off after every session to examine whats leaking or flapping in the breeze. Also, take into consideration that the gap between the firewall and the tunnel cover CAN catch the edge of the gas peddle and trap it. Glued to the floor. "ALL IN" with no hope of slowing down. Don't ask how I know this, but I'm a bit paranoid about it and currently ritualize five pieces of duct tape to seal the gap before every session. Yikes! In spite of mine being a nice custom fiberglass an aluminum cover I have plans to make the edge by the accelerator extend way over to the left and somehow attach under the gas peddle. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing. On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 10:20 AM, wrote: One poser that I'm still stewing on is the front flange to the firewall cutout. I'm thinking this should be thicker, maybe .125. Beyond that, I'm thinking of bringing the sides straight down to use Dzus fasteners instead of the stock bent flange and screws. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Apr 4 02:51:02 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 10:51:02 +0200 Subject: [Fot] BARRY MUNSON'S NEW FOT PATCHES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001001cbf2a5$70ba6320$522f2960$@com> Ladies and Gentlemen, especially Barry Munson, I'm deeply honored to get one of these FOT patches! It was a big surprise to find a letter from Canada at my letterbox and inside the envelope the FOT patch. The patch is really looking great and I'm proud to wear it on my race gear over my heart. Thank you for sending this to me. Cheers Chris From donmarshall at nefcom.net Mon Apr 4 07:23:37 2011 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 09:23:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR this weekend Message-ID: If anyone is still on the fence about coming to VIR this weekend, now's the time to jump off and start packing. I just took a look at the schedule and there are 6 practice sessions, 3 races PLUS a one hour enduro for us. That's over 5 hours on track for $400. You can't beat that anywhere, not to mention that it's held at one of the finest facilities in the country and gives you a chance to hang with lots of your Triumph buddies. Last I heard, we're expecting between 15 and 20 Triumph race cars, as well as a goodly number of Triumph folks who are coming without their cars. If you do come, be sure to join us in the Triumph Ghetto on Friday evening for dinner. Don -- From fogbro1 at comcast.net Mon Apr 4 09:35:33 2011 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 15:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 86mm TR4 Grant Piston Rings Message-ID: <1152844864.555650.1301931333162.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> List, In attempting to assemble the 3 piece oil control ring, I found that the expander-spacer is too long, preventing the installation of the two other rings of this set. The expander-spacer also does not fit the bore. No big surprise, but I thought I'd check it in the bore as well as on the piston. All other rings, compression and oil, fit the 86mm std. bore with a .012 gap. I tried the oil control ring set from the second Grant ring set with the same result. The (used) pistons are British made AE, 4 ring. They were installed with the current liners as the engine came to me. There is virtually no wear in piston or liner. The liners were honed to break the glaze. I have on hand two sets of Grant rings for these pistons. A few questions for the List: 1. Has anyone experienced this problem with Grant ring sets? 2. Should I just forget about the expander ring set and use a single, plain oil ring above the wrist pin? 3. Should I use two standard oil rings, one above and one below the wrist pin by using an additional ring from the second ring set? Any insights/comments welcome. Ed Woods From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Mon Apr 4 12:35:40 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 14:35:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] 86mm TR4 Grant Piston Rings Message-ID: <38fdc.3e4a229a.3acb697c@aol.com> You'll probably file to achieve the correct gap or check and make sure they are the right manufacturer. How big in diameter are they? Sam In a message dated 4/4/2011 10:59:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, fogbro1 at comcast.net writes: List, In attempting to assemble the 3 piece oil control ring, I found that the expander-spacer is too long, preventing the installation of the two other rings of this set. The expander-spacer also does not fit the bore. No big surprise, but I thought I'd check it in the bore as well as on the piston. All other rings, compression and oil, fit the 86mm std. bore with a .012 gap. I tried the oil control ring set from the second Grant ring set with the same result. The (used) pistons are British made AE, 4 ring. They were installed with the current liners as the engine came to me. There is virtually no wear in piston or liner. The liners were honed to break the glaze. I have on hand two sets of Grant rings for these pistons. A few questions for the List: 1. Has anyone experienced this problem with Grant ring sets? 2. Should I just forget about the expander ring set and use a single, plain oil ring above the wrist pin? 3. Should I use two standard oil rings, one above and one below the wrist pin by using an additional ring from the second ring set? Any insights/comments welcome. Ed Woods _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From donmarshall at nefcom.net Mon Apr 4 14:22:47 2011 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (donmarshall at nefcom.net) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 16:22:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil on sale Message-ID: <20110404202318.D936E291A95@smtp1.av-mx.com> If you use Valvoline VR1 racing oil, Autozone it on sale for $2.50 a quart, but apparently today is the last day of the sale so if you use VR1 it's worth a quick drive to the store. My store happened to be out but they sold me a case and will get it for me tomorrow. -- From donmarshall at nefcom.net Mon Apr 4 14:24:44 2011 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 16:24:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil on sale Message-ID: If you use Valvoline VR1 racing oil, Autozone has it on sale for $2.50 a quart, but apparently today is the last day. My store happened to be out but they sold me a case and will get it for me tomorrow or the next day. Don -- From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Apr 4 15:14:45 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 16:14:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil on sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Don. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Marshall Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil on sale If you use Valvoline VR1 racing oil, Autozone has it on sale for $2.50 a quart, but apparently today is the last day. My store happened to be out but they sold me a case and will get it for me tomorrow or the next day. Don -- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Mon Apr 4 16:10:03 2011 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 22:10:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil on sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We had the same Autozone sale on VR1 out in Colorado a few weeks back. The store manager told me it was a mistake. I showed him the ad, the signs on the shelf, and then had to convince him that honoring the advertised price was the "right thing to do". It didn't ring up at the register, but he eventually gave it to me anyway. Great deal. Ty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Kramer, Robert" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 16:14:45 To: Don Marshall; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VR1 oil on sale Thanks Don. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Marshall Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil on sale If you use Valvoline VR1 racing oil, Autozone has it on sale for $2.50 a quart, but apparently today is the last day. My store happened to be out but they sold me a case and will get it for me tomorrow or the next day. Don -- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Apr 5 05:03:59 2011 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 07:03:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 4A Radiator Shroud Message-ID: FOT. I've had the pleasure to work with Richard Good over the last few months as he developed a SS Radiator Shroud for the TR4A. The finished product is very nice and I highly recommend it. As normally is the case it's made with care and quality materials. It's not yet listed in his paper catalog, maybe on the website, but an e-mail to Richard can get one in the mail to you. Website www.goodparts.com e-mail goodparts at verizon dot net JVV From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Apr 5 05:07:10 2011 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 07:07:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 4A Radiator Shroud Message-ID: I meant to also add that he's developed shrouds for the TR4 as well as the TR250 this winter. FOT. I've had the pleasure to work with Richard Good over the last few months as he developed a SS Radiator Shroud for the TR4A. The finished product is very nice and I highly recommend it. As normally is the case it's made with care and quality materials. It's not yet listed in his paper catalog, maybe on the website, but an e-mail to Richard can get one in the mail to you. Website www.goodparts.com e-mail goodparts at verizon dot net JVV From igofaster at att.net Tue Apr 5 09:55:58 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 08:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Richard Good @ goodparts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <628803.66372.qm@web180813.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello FoT... I too purchased some Good Parts from Richard Good. I cannot say enough about quality, fit, and design being perfect. Barbra and I have a 1971 TR6 that is pretty nice. I've been trying to get the dang proportion valve addressed from leaking and leaking and leaking. I had restored all the brake system last year and got side tracked with the GT6 race car. Back onto the TR6 I had ordered the Aadco sway bars from Moss a few years back and while the car was off the ground I installed the rear bar with little issues. The front sway bar needed to have holes re-drilled in the skid plate. I wasn't comfortable re-engineering the sway bar mounts. I had earlier purchased the air filter setup from goodparts.com and the radiator shroud. I had forgotten to order the air box set up for the stock Strombergs. With Richard on the phone, very kind and very patient, he stated a stock air box for the TR6 would have to be assembled. It was here in less than 10 days AND I ordered the front sway bar too. The dang engine bay looks pretty nice now, the goodparts stuff is stunning and very well engineered. The front sway bar is a work of art. I'm very happy and very pleased and will continue to use and recommend this quality guy with the quality stuff... No financial interest whatsoever.... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Jerry Van Vlack To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 6:03:59 AM Subject: [Fot] TR 4A Radiator Shroud FOT. I've had the pleasure to work with Richard Good over the last few months as he developed a SS Radiator Shroud for the TR4A. The finished product is very nice and I highly recommend it. As normally is the case it's made with care and quality materials. It's not yet listed in his paper catalog, maybe on the website, but an e-mail to Richard can get one in the mail to you. Website www.goodparts.com e-mail goodparts at verizon dot net JVV _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Wed Apr 6 14:59:18 2011 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 15:59:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: Afternoon members, Need a set of disc brake caliper cores for Ted @ TSI. I sent him 16PB caliper cores. He needs 16P. These are GT6, TR4 TR6 from what he told me. The difference between 16P and 16PB is the diameter of the pad retaining pins and holes. The 16P is the larger size pin while the 16PB is the smaller one. I am leaving for VIR and the VDCA race tomorrow. So if you got any 16P to trade fro 16PB's and or I will buy outright the 16P that Ted wants me to return. Beer bribery is available, brand of your choice. I will not be able to access e mail tomorrow so call me on my cell @ 615-347-0260 if you want to get me out of this jam. Thank as always!!! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From markvaden at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 15:14:38 2011 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 14:14:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr6 gearbox adapter bracket Message-ID: Does anyone have a TR6 gearbox mounting crossmember, adaptor, and bracket they would be willing to part with? Items 100-102 in the diagram from the following moss link: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=32713&SortOrder=109 Thanks, Mark From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat Apr 9 20:04:10 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:04:10 +1000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 bonnet query Message-ID: does anyone know if the Mk3 bonnet can be fitted to the earler model cars?? thanks, terry From spitlist at cox.net Sat Apr 9 20:30:08 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 19:30:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 bonnet query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D8C2BF1AA52407E9E8D1A8B7BF02B65@Vista> You'd have to change out the hinges since they varied between the three models, but I can't think of a reason that it would not otherwise fit. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 7:04 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] GT6 bonnet query does anyone know if the Mk3 bonnet can be fitted to the earler model cars?? thanks, terry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From herald948 at aol.com Sat Apr 9 20:29:07 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 22:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 bonnet query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDC53E316F5F87-1D48-6D676@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> Yes. It will line up with the older body just fine. You would need to use the hinge boxes on the front crossmember from the Mk3, as well as the quarter valences, etc. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Enquiries Road & Track To: fot Sent: Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:12 pm Subject: [Fot] GT6 bonnet query does anyone know if the Mk3 bonnet can be fitted to the earler model cars?? From spitlist at cox.net Sat Apr 9 23:21:39 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 22:21:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 Message-ID: <4961384C066345B2B91419E5C29F26D7@Vista> Anyone staying up to watch the Malaysia GP live? Joe C. From jason at multivintage.com Sat Apr 9 23:29:35 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 05:29:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] F1 Message-ID: 2 more hours. Jason friendly ghost racing gt6 ------Original Message------ From: Joe Curry Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] F1 Sent: Apr 10, 2011 12:21 AM Anyone staying up to watch the Malaysia GP live? Joe C. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From wes at hsrca.org.au Sat Apr 9 23:54:48 2011 From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:54:48 +1000 Subject: [Fot] F1 In-Reply-To: <4961384C066345B2B91419E5C29F26D7@Vista> Message-ID: At least a few of the F1 GPs take place at a "friendly" time for us Aussies. This one is at 6:00 Sydney time.Anyone welcome to "hop down" and join us in front of the telly. Wes Dayton p.s Go Mark Webber. On 10/04/11 3:21 PM, "Joe Curry" wrote: >Anyone staying up to watch the Malaysia GP live? > > > >Joe C. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wes at hsrca.org.au From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Sun Apr 10 01:27:06 2011 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 03:27:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] F1 In-Reply-To: <4961384C066345B2B91419E5C29F26D7@Vista> References: <4961384C066345B2B91419E5C29F26D7@Vista> Message-ID: > Anyone staying up to watch the Malaysia GP live? > > > > Joe C. Yeah. Been troubled with insomnia anyway, so... John H. From spitlist at cox.net Sun Apr 10 01:34:34 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:34:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 In-Reply-To: References: <4961384C066345B2B91419E5C29F26D7@Vista> Message-ID: <9FDD47FFCAC04FB9A43B70BDC23AA0CB@Vista> I hope this race won't cure your insomnia! Some of them have been rather boring. Rain in the forecast is promising. Joe C. _____ From: John Herrera [mailto:jrherrera90 at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 12:27 AM To: spitlist at cox.net; Friends of Triumph Subject: RE: [Fot] F1 > Anyone staying up to watch the Malaysia GP live? > > > > Joe C. Yeah. Been troubled with insomnia anyway, so... John H. From vintage.racer at comcast.net Sun Apr 10 20:17:53 2011 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 02:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 for sale Message-ID: <937228420.60669.1302488273776.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> 1962 TR4 vintage racecar for sale. Fully sorted, needs nothing, race ready. Have the car in time to enter the Kastner Cup event at Laguna Seca in June. Info/pictures 3tr67 at comcast.net From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sun Apr 10 21:39:35 2011 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:39:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2011 Kastner Cup entry deadline info / Posters References: <1A06FAD6-9FAF-42D9-8B59-6E53055FE012@stevebelfer.com> Message-ID: FOT, Many racers are planning on entering the Kastner Cup June 7-8 but have not sent in their entry. Most have a few races leading up to our big race and want to make sure their car is in good working order before writing the check for this event at Laguna Seca. The deadline for entries to be received for the race is May 23rd. The last day to receive a refund, should you choose to cancel your racing plans, is May 30th. I've reached out to many Triumph Clubs and received a very enthusiastic response. Many of them are printing our Kastner Cup flyer in their newsletters. Once again, if you need a copy of the entry form to print out, please send me a private email and I'll send it to you right away. With the help of Joe Alexander and the VTR, we have printed a bunch of Kastner Cup 2011 posters that I designed featuring John Nikas' historic Sebring TR4 in action. Please email me if you would like a poster (or several), along with your name, address, and vintage racing organization and help get your poster(s) to you. The first one is a freebie but we may need to charge a buck or two for extras to recoup printing costs. ~Steve Belfer colordog.1 at earthlink.net From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Mon Apr 11 07:02:26 2011 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 9:02:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Good Buy for Koni shocks TR2,3,4 Message-ID: <20110411130226.GDV4G.24365.root@cdptpa-web10-z01> A really good buy can be had for Koni shocks for the TR2,3,4. $84.00 per shock. Use the link below. http://www.soloperformance.com/Koni-80-1005_p_530.html Bob From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Wed Apr 13 10:24:54 2011 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 11:24:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stuff that needs a home -- I need engine money!!!!!!!! Message-ID: Members, Here's a list of some goodies that I have that need a new home: - Spitfire 1300/1500 "GOODE Parts" brand new never used roller rocker assembly News sells for 550.00. Sell for 475.00! - Spitfire 1300/1500 Complete Cannon intake manifold with 45 Webber and linkage. Was running Great on my race Spit Race car when removed $450.00 - Triumph1300 JE Forged pistons 0.030 over used but in excellent condition with Pins and locks Set of 4 $150.00 - Pertronix Second Strike electronic ignition box with built in rev limiter, like new with manuals etc etc (Basically like a MSD system) $175.00. New ones sell for $320-350.00! - Carrillo Triumph 1300 connecting rods, set of 4 used but excellent condition $450.00. I have pics of these parts if you need to see them, just e mail me. I am not a fan of Pay Pal as the fees kill a lot of the dollars. Most of you know of me or at least know who I am so I prefer checks that can clear the bank and then I will ship the items. You will get the parts and they are as described. Hey I'll be at Atlanta for the Mitty the 28/29/30 of April so I can deliver them there if you want. Questions are fine, offers if reasonable will be considered as well thanks!! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From brad.kahler at 141.com Wed Apr 13 11:06:36 2011 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:06:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New spitfire camshaft blanks Message-ID: Amici, Anyone know if new camshaft blanks are available for the 1300 spitfire engines? Thanks, Brad From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Apr 13 17:19:25 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:19:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] OD in a spit Message-ID: <307ECFEE-8496-42A8-BF6D-460FBBF8EA0B@aol.com> I have a chance to get a bunch of spit parts. One of the most important is an OD unit. The car is a 1974 91cc engine. My question is what type of OD unit is in it? Is there any other parts that anyone else is interested in? From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Wed Apr 13 17:51:37 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:51:37 EDT Subject: [Fot] OD in a spit Message-ID: <95af4.18bf720f.3ad79109@aol.com> I believe it is a D type. Sam In a message dated 4/13/2011 6:39:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, SeaCubeCo at aol.com writes: I have a chance to get a bunch of spit parts. One of the most important is an OD unit. The car is a 1974 91cc engine. My question is what type of OD unit is in it? Is there any other parts that anyone else is interested in? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Apr 13 18:21:01 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:21:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners Message-ID: I was eying my buddies ultrasonic cleaner in his garage over the weekend. Thinking hmmm that's probably big enough to drop my carbs still attached to the manifold into. Pull the dash pots and fuel bowl covers off and submerge. Good idea? bad idea? Going to do any damage? Marty From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Wed Apr 13 19:33:01 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:33:01 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners Message-ID: <99b7c.77fa19d3.3ad7a8cd@aol.com> Only if you think clean is damage. Should work pretty well. Sam In a message dated 4/13/2011 7:42:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, trmarty at hotmail.com writes: I was eying my buddies ultrasonic cleaner in his garage over the weekend. Thinking hmmm that's probably big enough to drop my carbs still attached to the manifold into. Pull the dash pots and fuel bowl covers off and submerge. Good idea? bad idea? Going to do any damage? Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From fpspitfire at comcast.net Wed Apr 13 21:09:38 2011 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 03:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners In-Reply-To: <99b7c.77fa19d3.3ad7a8cd@aol.com> Message-ID: <301303448.3755398.1302750578239.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I remember when we removed the TriChlor tanks at work and replaced with the ultrasonic cleaners...it was horrible.B You could just drop parts into the trichlor and they came out warm, dry and grease free.B B with the ultrasonic tanks it takes a bit longer, and you need to make sure there is a rust inhibitor in the rinse tank. We do not allow ultrasonic on some components at work, primarily assemblies because the ultrasonic cause the parts have high frequency impacts and can cause damage.B With a carb set, it might not be that big a deal and ultrasonic will do a nice job in cleaning.B If you are going to use on steels, rust inhibitor is a must or you will get corrosion almost as quick as you take it out of the tank. aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com To: trmarty at hotmail.com, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, 13 April, 2011 9:33:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners Only if you think clean is damage. B Should work pretty well. B Sam B B In a message dated 4/13/2011 7:42:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, B trmarty at hotmail.com writes: I was B eying my buddies ultrasonic cleaner in his garage over the B weekend. Thinking hmmm that's probably big enough to drop my carbs still B attached to the manifold into. B Pull the dash pots and fuel bowl B covers off and submerge. Good idea? bad idea? Going to do any B damage? Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: B http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: B http://www.team.net/archive Forums: B http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: B http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fpspitfire at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Wed Apr 13 21:59:17 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:59:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners References: <301303448.3755398.1302750578239.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <539563D9EEF64A34B1A503711F463295@Bud> what about denatured alcohol for cleaning? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners >I remember when we removed the TriChlor tanks at work and replaced with the > ultrasonic cleaners...it was horrible.B You could just drop parts into > the > trichlor and they came out warm, dry and grease free.B B with the > ultrasonic > tanks it takes a bit longer, and you need to make sure there is a rust > inhibitor in the rinse tank. > > > > We do not allow ultrasonic on some components at work, primarily > assemblies > because the ultrasonic cause the parts have high frequency impacts and can > cause damage.B > > > > With a carb set, it might not be that big a deal and ultrasonic will do a > nice > job in cleaning.B > > > > If you are going to use on steels, rust inhibitor is a must or you will > get > corrosion almost as quick as you take it out of the tank. > > > > aaron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com > To: trmarty at hotmail.com, fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, 13 April, 2011 9:33:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners > > Only if you think clean is damage. B Should work pretty well. > B > Sam > B > B > In a message dated 4/13/2011 7:42:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, B > trmarty at hotmail.com writes: > > I was B eying my buddies ultrasonic cleaner in his garage over the B > weekend. > Thinking hmmm that's probably big enough to drop my carbs still B attached > to > the manifold into. B Pull the dash pots and fuel bowl B covers off and > submerge. > Good idea? bad idea? Going to do any B damage? > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: B http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: B http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: B http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: B http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fpspitfire at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Apr 13 22:00:28 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:00:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <057b01cbfa58$7de72f00$0301a8c0@randall> > Good idea? bad idea? Going to do any damage? Won't hurt the carbs unless there is a very aggressive solvent in there. But you might want to double-check with your buddy first. Many years ago, a friend of mine tried to clean some brake shoes in an ultrasonic bath where we both worked night shift. It ruined not only the shoes (by dissolving the bonding to the lining), but all of the parts they made the next day turned out bad! I wonder why? -- Randall From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Apr 14 10:22:46 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:22:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] REAR SEAL FOR CRANK-SCROLL GROUND OFF -NEEDED Message-ID: <8CDC8D7534518E9-1758-90CA@webmail-d007.sysops.aol.com> FOT, We are installing a billet crank that happens to be modified for a lip seal. Does anyone have one not in use and available for sale? Getting ready for Laguna Seca....... :-) Thanks....could trade for the superior new MAD MARX seal kit. Joe A. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Apr 14 11:24:48 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:24:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ballasted ignitions Message-ID: I'm hoping the knowledgeable folks on this list can help me figure out a problem on our Lemon's TR6. We built the car out of a pile of scrap so we have pretty basic stock stuff. We are running a stock distributor, points, condenser, new cap, new upgraded wires, stock type non ballasted coil. We made up a simple wiring harness and I felt that it was important to ballast the ignition circuit, so I used a Mallory resistor in line to the coil. The engine runs extremely well up to about 5 grand and then starts spitting and coughing. We have tried various timing settings yet we can't get it to run as well as my stock TR6 in the high ranges. There is a chance that the cam isn't timed right as we didn't touch that part of the engine. We have plenty of fuel pressure too. Could the ballast be causing this malady? I use the same setup in my racecar, but with a much better coil and a Mallory distributor. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell From billb at bnj.com Thu Apr 14 12:16:10 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:16:10 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Ballasted ignitions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B6E8727-E359-4EB3-8691-F2E5D4BEE74D@bnj.com> Check the runout in the distributor--nothing fancy, just wiggle the shaft with the rotor off. Put a good timing light on the thing and rev it to the point it starts to miss. You'll probably see light start to get irregular if it's a spark problem. Check your condensor--common problem these days, they all suck. A condenser with the enamel cleaned off and the grounding lug soldered to the case and a ten buck coil might fix everything. I dimly recall a quick and dirty cam timing check that uses overlap, but if the engine starts and runs your cam timing probably isn't too bad. On Apr 14, 2011, at 7:24 AM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > I'm hoping the knowledgeable folks on this list can help me figure out a > problem on our Lemon's TR6. We built the car out of a pile of scrap so we have > pretty basic stock stuff. We are running a stock distributor, points, > condenser, new cap, new upgraded wires, stock type non ballasted coil. We made > up a simple wiring harness and I felt that it was important to ballast the > ignition circuit, so I used a Mallory resistor in line to the coil. The engine > runs extremely well up to about 5 grand and then starts spitting and coughing. > We have tried various timing settings yet we can't get it to run as well as my > stock TR6 in the high ranges. There is a chance that the cam isn't timed right > as we didn't touch that part of the engine. We have plenty of fuel pressure > too. Could the ballast be causing this malady? I use the same setup in my > racecar, but with a much better coil and a Mallory distributor. > > Bob Kramer > Texas Rental Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-687-7422 Office > 512-657-8526 Cell > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From jfrymark at aol.com Thu Apr 14 14:26:13 2011 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:26:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic cleaners Message-ID: <4285FD4E-CC11-4B5A-B21A-295BB92D8006@aol.com> I ran a business building and selling industrial ultrasonic cleaners and the very best automotive applications were for carbs and auto transmissions (no greasy dirt). The key is time and temp. Optimal temp is 185*F and time depends on the material: soft metals go shorter duration. CA EPA aside, we never advised using solvents, only aqueous based cleaners (Brulin makes some exceptional products) followed by a thorough rinse and dry. NFI. John Frymark From jason at multivintage.com Thu Apr 14 15:05:00 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:05:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] gasket works Message-ID: Need to order some new gaskets for my GT6... Mordy I'm told you are the man with the product. Can you please email a product selection and prices. Thank you Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 From REK46 at aol.com Thu Apr 14 16:04:58 2011 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 18:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] gasket works Message-ID: <2144e.68dbd483.3ad8c98a@aol.com> and if you also have Spitfire ones, please add In a message dated 4/14/2011 5:31:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jason at multivintage.com writes: Need to order some new gaskets for my GT6... Mordy I'm told you are the man with the product. Can you please email a product selection and prices. Thank you Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Apr 14 16:41:20 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 22:41:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] gasket works Message-ID: <1641759383-1302820882-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1179645471-@bda712.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Stock thickness .o32 and stock bore sizes are sold though moss. Any other thickness or bore through me. M ------Original Message------ From: REK46 at aol.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: jason at multivintage.com To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] gasket works Sent: Apr 14, 2011 3:04 PM and if you also have Spitfire ones, please add In a message dated 4/14/2011 5:31:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jason at multivintage.com writes: Need to order some new gaskets for my GT6... Mordy I'm told you are the man with the product. Can you please email a product selection and prices. Thank you Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu Apr 14 18:05:43 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:05:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 63 spit parts Message-ID: <3D7C808A-4E99-4821-917D-C81A9B6069C4@aol.com> Amici A friend needs help locating body parts Bonnet Left rear quarter panel Rear valence We are located on the eastern shore of Maryland Thanks From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Apr 14 18:14:49 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:14:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire clutch slave cylinder travel? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E7374D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Anybody have an idea of the proper/necessary distance for the travel of the clutch slave cylinder rod? How far should the rod move to fully disengage the clutch? From budscars at comcast.net Thu Apr 14 19:17:32 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 18:17:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire clutch slave cylinder travel? References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E7374D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <7A6624691D1F4882BBADA54D27DFBE0B@Bud> Scott..a stock rod is fine...If you have gone to a different clutch disc, you may need small spacers(washers) between the pressure plate and the flywheel...1/4" washer makes a Huge difference..that's what I have on my Spitfire.(I went thru the whole deal of thinking i needed a different length rod) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 5:14 PM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire clutch slave cylinder travel? > Anybody have an idea of the proper/necessary distance for the travel of > the clutch slave cylinder rod? How far should the rod move to fully > disengage the clutch? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From jfrymark at aol.com Thu Apr 14 19:40:14 2011 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 18:40:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic cleaners In-Reply-To: References: <4285FD4E-CC11-4B5A-B21A-295BB92D8006@aol.com> Message-ID: <817A0578-46F4-46E2-A04A-323EF969132B@aol.com> Marty, Seals and gaskets should be fine. Ultrasound really only works on "hard" surfaces. The sonic waves are just absorbed by soft surfaces. As long as the heat isn't a problem, seals should OK. I once cleaned Wheels with the tires mounted in a big cleaner. It worked great! John On Apr 14, 2011, at 5:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: > Thanks for the feedback John. I had not planned on doing a rebuild, > just cleaning off the ugly stuff. What do you think the cleaner > would do to the shaft seals and gaskets? > > Marty > > > From: jfrymark at aol.com > > To: trmarty at hotmail.com > > Subject: Ultrasonic cleaners > > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:26:13 -0700 > > CC: fot at autox.team.net > > > > I ran a business building and selling industrial ultrasonic cleaners > > and the very best automotive applications were for carbs and auto > > transmissions (no greasy dirt). The key is time and temp. Optimal > temp > > is 185*F and time depends on the material: soft metals go shorter > > duration. CA EPA aside, we never advised using solvents, only > aqueous > > based cleaners (Brulin makes some exceptional products) followed > by a > > thorough rinse and dry. NFI. > > > > John Frymark From billdentin at aol.com Thu Apr 14 20:02:34 2011 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 22:02:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic cleaners In-Reply-To: <817A0578-46F4-46E2-A04A-323EF969132B@aol.com> References: <4285FD4E-CC11-4B5A-B21A-295BB92D8006@aol.com> <817A0578-46F4-46E2-A04A-323EF969132B@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDC928525EA5F6-884-11D1C@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com> Amici... I am absolutely fascinated by all this info on Ultrasonic Cleaners. Of course my only first hand experience is for my dentures. True story. Bill (Damdinger) From ac at camoletti.ch Fri Apr 15 03:20:34 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:20:34 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic cleaners In-Reply-To: <8CDC928525EA5F6-884-11D1C@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com> References: <4285FD4E-CC11-4B5A-B21A-295BB92D8006@aol.com> <817A0578-46F4-46E2-A04A-323EF969132B@aol.com> <8CDC928525EA5F6-884-11D1C@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001801cbfb4e$60915830$21b40890$@camoletti.ch> Amici, indeed great info collected here! But for the ultrasonic newbie like me, what should I buy (reasonable budget) as cleaner and liquid to get started (size of tank should be approx. 10'') There are several on ebay, but I suspect most are crap? Thank you for your advice! Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de billdentin at aol.com Envoyi : vendredi 15 avril 2011 04:03 @ : jfrymark at aol.com; trmarty at hotmail.com Cc : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] Ultrasonic cleaners Amici... I am absolutely fascinated by all this info on Ultrasonic Cleaners. Of course my only first hand experience is for my dentures. True story. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Apr 15 05:55:33 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:55:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] REAR SCROLL LIP SEAL.......SEVERAL AVAILABLE. Message-ID: <8CDC97B28B8673F-BA4-1E595@webmail-m126.sysops.aol.com> Thanks to all who responded....I have one on the way. There are several used and new available for crankshafts that have been modified by removing the scroll feature. If any FOT needs a kit. Joe A From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Apr 15 11:30:10 2011 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:30:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic cleaners In-Reply-To: <001801cbfb4e$60915830$21b40890$@camoletti.ch> References: <4285FD4E-CC11-4B5A-B21A-295BB92D8006@aol.com> <817A0578-46F4-46E2-A04A-323EF969132B@aol.com> <8CDC928525EA5F6-884-11D1C@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com> <001801cbfb4e$60915830$21b40890$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: Alexandre, There are now a lot of very inexpensive ultrasonic cleaners on the market. I consider these best suited for at home jewerly cleaning (and dentures!). For the garage, look for one with a built in heater, timer, and stainless steel tank. There are good benchtop units made by Crest for small parts. For reference, see: http://www.crest-ultrasonics.com/powersonic-benchtop-cleaners.html Speedway Motors in the US has a heated Crest unit for about $340. John On Apr 15, 2011, at 2:20 AM, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: > Amici, indeed great info collected here! > But for the ultrasonic newbie like me, what should I buy (reasonable > budget) > as cleaner and liquid to get started (size of tank should be approx. > 10'') > There are several on ebay, but I suspect most are crap? > Thank you for your advice! > Cheers! > Alex > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > De la > part de billdentin at aol.com > Envoyi : vendredi 15 avril 2011 04:03 > @ : jfrymark at aol.com; trmarty at hotmail.com > Cc : fot at autox.team.net > Objet : Re: [Fot] Ultrasonic cleaners > > Amici... > > I am absolutely fascinated by all this info on Ultrasonic Cleaners. > > Of course my only first hand experience is for my dentures. > > True story. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From cofrog at q.com Fri Apr 15 12:45:47 2011 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Coil Resistance In-Reply-To: <210520951.229366.1302893084305.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <521553293.229397.1302893147706.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> I'm confused (again).B What coil resistance do I use with a Pertronix LU142A B Ignition?B I have two different cars and two different B setups.B A street TR4 which has the 1.5 ohm internal ballasted B coil and a TR4A racer with am external B ballast and a B 3 ohm coil.B Both are negative ground.B Some folks on the web say use only a 3 ohm coil (unballasted?) with the Pertronix.B It appears my coil shot craps on the street car and took out the I gnitor.B So I'm double checking what resistance coil is proper. I want to give kudos to Marvin at Pertronix who replaced the toasted LU142A eventhough it was out of warranty by a few weeks.B Thanks, Dan From cofrog at q.com Fri Apr 15 13:20:02 2011 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 15:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Bees? In-Reply-To: <521553293.229397.1302893147706.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <76544409.231302.1302895202105.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> I don't know where all the "B"s came from. My ISP (Qwest) changed my e-mail and it sucks! Sorry the email was hard to read. ----- Original Message ----- From: cofrog at q.com To: "triumph fot" , "triumph" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:45:47 PM Subject: [Fot] Coil Resistance I'm confused (again).B What coil resistance do I use with a Pertronix LU142A B Ignition?B I have two different cars and two different B setups.B A street TR4 which has the 1.5 ohm internal ballasted B coil and a TR4A racer with am external B ballast and a B 3 ohm coil.B Both are negative ground.B Some folks on the web say use only a 3 ohm coil (unballasted?) with the Pertronix.B It appears my coil shot craps on the street car and took out the I gnitor.B So I'm double checking what resistance coil is proper. I want to give kudos to Marvin at Pertronix who replaced the toasted LU142A eventhough it was out of warranty by a few weeks.B Thanks, Dan _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Apr 15 13:42:59 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:42:59 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Coil Resistance In-Reply-To: <521553293.229397.1302893147706.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <210520951.229366.1302893084305.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> <521553293.229397.1302893147706.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <000d01cbfba5$5538ea00$ffaabe00$@com> Pertronix likes 3 ohm. It doesn't care if you run a 1,5 ohm coil with a 1,5 ohm resistor or just a 3 ohm coil. Only 3 ohm. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von cofrog at q.com Gesendet: Freitag, 15. April 2011 20:46 An: triumph fot; triumph Betreff: [Fot] Coil Resistance I'm confused (again).B What coil resistance do I use with a Pertronix LU142A B Ignition?B I have two different cars and two different B setups.B A street TR4 which has the 1.5 ohm internal ballasted B coil and a TR4A racer with am external B ballast and a B 3 ohm coil.B Both are negative ground.B Some folks on the web say use only a 3 ohm coil (unballasted?) with the Pertronix.B It appears my coil shot craps on the street car and took out the I gnitor.B So I'm double checking what resistance coil is proper. I want to give kudos to Marvin at Pertronix who replaced the toasted LU142A eventhough it was out of warranty by a few weeks.B Thanks, Dan _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Apr 15 14:44:02 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:44:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Coil Resistance In-Reply-To: <000d01cbfba5$5538ea00$ffaabe00$@com> References: <210520951.229366.1302893084305.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> <521553293.229397.1302893147706.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> <000d01cbfba5$5538ea00$ffaabe00$@com> Message-ID: <030001cbfbad$dae42590$90ac70b0$@rr.com> > Pertronix likes 3 ohm. > It doesn't care if you run a 1,5 ohm coil with a 1,5 ohm resistor or > just a 3 ohm coil. > Only 3 ohm. I agree. Total has to be (approximately) 3 ohms, doesn't matter if it's a 3 ohm coil, or a 1.5 ohm coil plus a ballast resistor. Other combinations may appear to work at first, but risk burning out the module (1.5 ohm with no ballast), or producing high speed misfire (3 ohm plus a ballast). Note that the red wire to the module needs to get full 12v, it can't be to the coil if you are using a ballast between there and the switch. -- Randall From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Apr 15 15:14:36 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:14:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Coil Resistance In-Reply-To: <030001cbfbad$dae42590$90ac70b0$@rr.com> References: <210520951.229366.1302893084305.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com><521553293.229397.1302893147706.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com><000d01cbfba5$5538ea00$ffaabe00$@com> <030001cbfbad$dae42590$90ac70b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E73773@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << Note that the red wire to the module needs to get full 12v, it can't be to the coil if you are using a ballast between there and the switch.>> Sorry - between *where* and the switch? Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:44 PM To: 'triumph fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Resistance > Pertronix likes 3 ohm. > It doesn't care if you run a 1,5 ohm coil with a 1,5 ohm resistor or > just a 3 ohm coil. > Only 3 ohm. I agree. Total has to be (approximately) 3 ohms, doesn't matter if it's a 3 ohm coil, or a 1.5 ohm coil plus a ballast resistor. Other combinations may appear to work at first, but risk burning out the module (1.5 ohm with no ballast), or producing high speed misfire (3 ohm plus a ballast). Note that the red wire to the module needs to get full 12v, it can't be to the coil if you are using a ballast between there and the switch. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From pcdelux at verizon.net Sat Apr 16 09:35:25 2011 From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 11:35:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Coil Resistance References: <210520951.229366.1302893084305.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com><521553293.229397.1302893147706.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com><000d01cbfba5$5538ea00$ffaabe00$@com> <030001cbfbad$dae42590$90ac70b0$@rr.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E73773@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <003101cbfc4b$e86e4a80$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0> Scott, The power to the ignitor module red wire needs 12v. Not 12v fed thru a ballast which is no longer 12v. Run power from ign switch direct to coil(3ohm) or, run power from ign switch to ballast. From that same ballast terminal run power to module red wire. Run wire from other ballast terminal to ign coil (1.5ohm). Provided the ballast is also 1.5 ohm giving you 3ohm total resistance. Too low total coil circuit resistance overloads the ignitor module and shortens its life. Too high coil circuit resistance,say a 3ohm coil with a 1.5 ballast lowers the available current and can cause misfiring. Not all ignition systems are the same..you need to match the total circuit resistance to it's needs. I believe even different model ignitors could get away with lower or higher total coil circuit resistance. It should say in the instruction sheet. Hope this helps, Bill DeWar NJTA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: "Randall" ; "triumph fot" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Resistance > << Note that the red wire to the module needs to get full 12v, it can't > be to the coil if you are using a ballast between there and the > switch.>> > > Sorry - between *where* and the switch? > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Randall > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:44 PM > To: 'triumph fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Resistance > > > Pertronix likes 3 ohm. > > It doesn't care if you run a 1,5 ohm coil with a 1,5 ohm resistor or > > just a 3 ohm coil. > > Only 3 ohm. > > I agree. Total has to be (approximately) 3 ohms, doesn't matter if it's > a 3 > ohm coil, or a 1.5 ohm coil plus a ballast resistor. > Other combinations may appear to work at first, but risk burning out the > module (1.5 ohm with no ballast), or producing high speed misfire (3 ohm > plus a ballast). > > Note that the red wire to the module needs to get full 12v, it can't be > to > the coil if you are using a ballast between there and the switch. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux at verizon.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Apr 17 10:54:47 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:54:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Dick Stockton at Watkins Glen Message-ID: <2c2e2.7629fd1d.3adc7557@aol.com> Here's a video you guys might enjoy.... _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o) From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Apr 17 11:56:14 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:56:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] Dick Stockton at Watkins Glen Message-ID: <2e1ac.65cb3eb8.3adc83be@aol.com> Well Yeah, At 75 years young he's had time to learn some things... In a message dated 4/17/2011 10:11:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: Here's a video you guys might enjoy.... _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From kaskas at cox.net Sun Apr 17 12:19:16 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:19:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Dick Stockton at Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <2e1ac.65cb3eb8.3adc83be@aol.com> Message-ID: <20110417141916.9G1MP.153773.imail@fed1rmwml39> I've know Dick and seen him race for about 50 years I guess and he always been fast. He was the fastest driver in the first practice at Riverside Raceway at the first Runnoffs 1964 event and surprised everyone. (me too).He was also a GREAT engine builder. During the Competition Dept days he was the only East fellow with an engine dyno. He and his mother used to run his repair shop and made excellent powerful engines. I see that he still knows how to make the power. Good guy too. ---- Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: Well Yeah, At 75 years young he's had time to learn some things... In a message dated 4/17/2011 10:11:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: Here's a video you guys might enjoy.... _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From kaskas at cox.net Sun Apr 17 12:19:27 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:19:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Dick Stockton at Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <2e1ac.65cb3eb8.3adc83be@aol.com> Message-ID: <20110417141927.6NPDD.153777.imail@fed1rmwml39> I've know Dick and seen him race for about 50 years I guess and he always been fast. He was the fastest driver in the first practice at Riverside Raceway at the first Runnoffs 1964 event and surprised everyone. (me too).He was also a GREAT engine builder. During the Competition Dept days he was the only East fellow with an engine dyno. He and his mother used to run his repair shop and made excellent powerful engines. I see that he still knows how to make the power. Good guy too. ---- Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: Well Yeah, At 75 years young he's had time to learn some things... In a message dated 4/17/2011 10:11:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: Here's a video you guys might enjoy.... _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From mini at wi.rr.com Sun Apr 17 22:08:20 2011 From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 23:08:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ballasted ignitions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DABB934.5060004@wi.rr.com> Some TR6's had a resistance wire (pink and white) to the coil. Be sure that you are not doubling up on the resistance, that could cause this problem. Richard Gehweiler Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd. On 4/14/2011 12:24 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > I'm hoping the knowledgeable folks on this list can help me figure out a > problem on our Lemon's TR6. We built the car out of a pile of scrap so we have > pretty basic stock stuff. We are running a stock distributor, points, > condenser, new cap, new upgraded wires, stock type non ballasted coil. We made > up a simple wiring harness and I felt that it was important to ballast the > ignition circuit, so I used a Mallory resistor in line to the coil. The engine > runs extremely well up to about 5 grand and then starts spitting and coughing. > We have tried various timing settings yet we can't get it to run as well as my > stock TR6 in the high ranges. There is a chance that the cam isn't timed right > as we didn't touch that part of the engine. We have plenty of fuel pressure > too. Could the ballast be causing this malady? I use the same setup in my > racecar, but with a much better coil and a Mallory distributor. > > Bob Kramer > Texas Rental Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-687-7422 Office > 512-657-8526 Cell > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mini at wi.rr.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Mon Apr 18 04:16:42 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:16:42 +1000 Subject: [Fot] chasing NARDI steering wheel boss Message-ID: can anyone help me with a steering wheel boss/adaptor (with or without horn button) to fit a NARDI wheel onto a TR6? thanks, Terry From igofaster at att.net Mon Apr 18 07:57:44 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 06:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] shiny bits and pieces in the oil canister Message-ID: <92758.32011.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I ran Hallett last week with CVAR and was finally rewarded with placing 13 starting position, with Herb Hilton on my right and P.D. Sohn on my left. These guys are both very good drivers with very well prepared cars. I thought for a moment the skies opened up and I saw little angels. I highlight of my brief racing career. Later in the session (I finished 15th out of 29) that little red lamp on the dash started flickering. It was the cool down lap so I did my best to just coast into my garage space. Low oil pressure and higher oil temperature seemed to be the way the car was running. It was the first time I've used multi-viscosity oil and I think THAT was a mistake to start off with. I have a Canton external oil filter and after draining the oil with bits and pieces on the drain plug, the oil canister revealed shiny bits and pieces in the canister. Yesterday was the initial 'get the engine out of the car' mode. Today is the transmission and I should have the engine out. I saw some discussion about this a few weeks back about the Accusump and oil cooler and what the process is of removing the particles from these. Can someone remind me or is there a way to research this in the FoT thread of past? The GT6 holds about 8 quarts of oil in all my oil lines, filter, and Accusump. I've got a race at Eagles Canyon in May I've got my sites on. FoT Forever! Bobby Whitehead From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Apr 18 15:45:35 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 17:45:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LAGUNA SECA 9TH RUNNING OF THE KASTNER CUP.....A BRILLIANT POSTER Message-ID: <8CDCC2915B50574-14F0-66C86@webmail-m128.sysops.aol.com> FOT, This the 9th running of the Kastner Cup since Kas initiated the series with the FOT. This year marks the 3rd year that VTR and FOT have joined hands in the production of a commemorative poster honoring the Kastner Cup Event and venue. Blake Discher, president of the VTR, has permission to fund the poster and VTR'S Joe Pawlak's company has produced them at his cost. This year, Steve Belfer provided the artwork and layout and it features one of Kastner's Sebring TR4s owned by John Nikas. The DRIVERS, VTR MEMBERS, and VIP GUESTS will be recipients of the posters. Additional posters will be distributed at a very small cost, plus mailing tube and postage as necessary. Break even on this project is all that is sought. We will be having a number of VTR guests joining us at Laguna Seca. It is a good relationship and from time to time we pick up a new TRIUMPH VINTAGE RACER FROM THESE RANKS. Many of the FOT are members already and several are on the Board of Directors. FOT listers should consider membership in VTR. The VTR magazine features the FOT several times a year with articles and pictures. SUPPORT the VTR with YOUR membership. Finally, thanks to all who do the work that adds substance and style to the FOT. Joe A. From deweerdm at rogers.com Mon Apr 18 16:52:16 2011 From: deweerdm at rogers.com (MIKE DEWEERD) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <474815.70939.qm@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From mark at bradakis.com Mon Apr 18 21:14:56 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:14:56 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Well, shucks Message-ID: <20110419031456.165782E0D1@bradakis.com> That wasn't nice. Had a series of power bumps here at the house over the weekend that messed with my computers, like the main Team.Net server. That old Dell had been rock solid reliable, with an uptime of over 425 days. Oh well. Of course my computer troubles are nothing at all compared to the tornado havoc over the weekend. Hopefully no listers were seriously affected. I still remember what damage can be done by twisters from my years in the Midwest. When I did get the machines back up and running again a few things didn't quite work out, some software failed to start as it should. So you may have noticed no Team.Net email for a while. I was at work all day so I didn't notice until this evening. Sorry. We should be back in business now, though. Perhaps last week when I posted about 20 years of Team.Net I should have put in a pitch for some donations to acquire some newer, more stable hardware ( bigger UPS ) and some upgraded software. I certainly did recieve some donations, will hopefully get around to thanking folks in a day or two. So if you have a few bucks laying around and feel like helping to keep this Team.Net experiment around for another 20 years, feel free to visit http://www.team.net/donate.html - wait, I better update that file, the FAX machine is printing blank faxes, another bit of hardware I'll likely have to replace. Computers can be so much fun. Anyway, Team.Net email, forums and web pages should all be back to mostly normal, thank you for your patience. mjb. From billb at bnj.com Tue Apr 19 00:13:50 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 23:13:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] shiny bits and pieces in the oil canister In-Reply-To: <92758.32011.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <92758.32011.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20AFE675-E4B5-49E9-BF92-919BA18183DD@bnj.com> the accusump you can take apart and clean. the oil cooler is junk, unless it's after the oil filter. On Apr 18, 2011, at 6:57 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I ran Hallett last week with CVAR and was finally rewarded with placing 13 > starting position, with Herb Hilton on my right and P.D. Sohn on my left. These > guys are both very good drivers with very well prepared cars. I thought for a > moment the skies opened up and I saw little angels. I highlight of my brief > racing career. > > Later in the session (I finished 15th out of 29) that little red lamp on the > dash started flickering. It was the cool down lap so I did my best to just coast > into my garage space. > Low oil pressure and higher oil temperature seemed to be the way the car was > running. It was the first time I've used multi-viscosity oil and I think THAT > was a mistake to start off with. > I have a Canton external oil filter and after draining the oil with bits and > pieces on the drain plug, the oil canister revealed shiny bits and pieces in the > canister. > > Yesterday was the initial 'get the engine out of the car' mode. Today is the > transmission and I should have the engine out. > I saw some discussion about this a few weeks back about the Accusump and oil > cooler and what the process is of removing the particles from these. Can someone > remind me or is there a way to research this in the FoT thread of past? > The GT6 holds about 8 quarts of oil in all my oil lines, filter, and Accusump. > I've got a race at Eagles Canyon in May I've got my sites on. > > FoT Forever! > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From andre at gt6.ca Tue Apr 19 05:52:30 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 07:52:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] shiny bits and pieces in the oil canister In-Reply-To: <92758.32011.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <92758.32011.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yeah the Accusump does come apart, but I wonder if its better to replace it or have to cleaned by the manufacture? Good luck. A. On 18 April 2011 09:57, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I ran Hallett last week with CVAR and was finally rewarded with placing 13 > starting position, with Herb Hilton on my right and P.D. Sohn on my left. These > guys are both very good drivers with very well prepared cars. I thought for a > moment the skies opened up and I saw little angels. I highlight of my brief > racing career. > > Later in the session (I finished 15th out of 29) that little red lamp on the > dash started flickering. It was the cool down lap so I did my best to just coast > into my garage space. > Low oil pressure and higher oil temperature seemed to be the way the car was > running. It was the first time I've used multi-viscosity oil and I think THAT > was a mistake to start off with. > I have a Canton external oil filter and after draining the oil with bits and > pieces on the drain plug, the oil canister revealed shiny bits and pieces in the > canister. > > Yesterday was the initial 'get the engine out of the car' mode. Today is the > transmission and I should have the engine out. > I saw some discussion about this a few weeks back about the Accusump and oil > cooler and what the process is of removing the particles from these. Can someone > remind me or is there a way to research this in the FoT thread of past? > The GT6 holds about 8 quarts of oil in all my oil lines, filter, and Accusump. > I've got a race at Eagles Canyon in May I've got my sites on. > > FoT Forever! > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Apr 19 06:41:26 2011 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:41:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] shiny bits and pieces in the oil canister In-Reply-To: References: <92758.32011.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301cbfe8f$19164760$4b42d620$@rr.com> I sent mine in and had it "redone" by the factory a few years ago. Worked out great and far less expensive than a new one. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:53 AM To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] shiny bits and pieces in the oil canister Yeah the Accusump does come apart, but I wonder if its better to replace it or have to cleaned by the manufacture? Good luck. A. On 18 April 2011 09:57, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I ran Hallett last week with CVAR and was finally rewarded with placing 13 > starting position, with Herb Hilton on my right and P.D. Sohn on my left. These > guys are both very good drivers with very well prepared cars. I thought for a > moment the skies opened up and I saw little angels. I highlight of my brief > racing career. > > Later in the session (I finished 15th out of 29) that little red lamp on the > dash started flickering. It was the cool down lap so I did my best to just coast > into my garage space. > Low oil pressure and higher oil temperature seemed to be the way the car was > running. It was the first time I've used multi-viscosity oil and I think THAT > was a mistake to start off with. > I have a Canton external oil filter and after draining the oil with bits and > pieces on the drain plug, the oil canister revealed shiny bits and pieces in the > canister. > > Yesterday was the initial 'get the engine out of the car' mode. Today is the > transmission and I should have the engine out. > I saw some discussion about this a few weeks back about the Accusump and oil > cooler and what the process is of removing the particles from these. Can someone > remind me or is there a way to research this in the FoT thread of past? > The GT6 holds about 8 quarts of oil in all my oil lines, filter, and Accusump. > I've got a race at Eagles Canyon in May I've got my sites on. > > FoT Forever! > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue Apr 19 15:05:12 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:05:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Accusump In-Reply-To: <000301cbfe8f$19164760$4b42d620$@rr.com> References: <92758.32011.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <000301cbfe8f$19164760$4b42d620$@rr.com> Message-ID: I just sent mine back to them - it's at least 15 years old - and they rebuilt it for $35, plus $7 for a new gauge because the glass was cracked. Turned it around in 3 days, too! I don't know how they make money on this, but what a great service. On Apr 19, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Spitfire Racing wrote: I sent mine in and had it "redone" by the factory a few years ago. Worked out great and far less expensive than a new one. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:53 AM To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] shiny bits and pieces in the oil canister Yeah the Accusump does come apart, but I wonder if its better to replace it or have to cleaned by the manufacture? Good luck. A. On 18 April 2011 09:57, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I ran Hallett last week with CVAR and was finally rewarded with > placing 13 > starting position, with Herb Hilton on my right and P.D. Sohn on my > left. These > guys are both very good drivers with very well prepared cars. I > thought for a > moment the skies opened up and I saw little angels. I highlight of my brief > racing career. > > Later in the session (I finished 15th out of 29) that little red > lamp on the > dash started flickering. It was the cool down lap so I did my best > to just coast > into my garage space. > Low oil pressure and higher oil temperature seemed to be the way the > car was > running. It was the first time I've used multi-viscosity oil and I > think THAT > was a mistake to start off with. > I have a Canton external oil filter and after draining the oil with > bits and > pieces on the drain plug, the oil canister revealed shiny bits and > pieces in the > canister. > > Yesterday was the initial 'get the engine out of the car' mode. > Today is the > transmission and I should have the engine out. > I saw some discussion about this a few weeks back about the Accusump > and oil > cooler and what the process is of removing the particles from these. > Can someone > remind me or is there a way to research this in the FoT thread of > past? > The GT6 holds about 8 quarts of oil in all my oil lines, filter, and Accusump. > I've got a race at Eagles Canyon in May I've got my sites on. > > FoT Forever! > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From ac at camoletti.ch Thu Apr 21 03:17:20 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:17:20 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 pistons Message-ID: <002501cc0004$ec519320$c4f4b960$@camoletti.ch> Amici, Still prepping my TR3 engine, and now the liners and pistons are questioned, and may need replacement. Currently engine has the 86mm+.040'' cast aluminium Mahle with steel belt, you know the heavy ones (heavier than stock) and liners, but liners are out of round (of 0.03mm-ie over 0.001''), pistons are OK. Engine is blueprinted in all details and prepped for long distance road events. What piston and liners did you have good experience with (in 86 or 87mm)? Should I go for aluminium (forged or cast?), or iron ? I have seen there are several brands. For instance Cambridge sells JE pistons and "comp specs" liners. What about these JE pistons? or ARIAS, or CD, or HEPOLITE (are these still made?) or the forged MAHLE (expensive at 250 Euros each, but very light) Thank you for your thoughts and experience feedback! And happy Easter! Alex From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Apr 21 11:45:34 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 13:45:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New Video TR7 Race Car Message-ID: <003f01cc004b$eaf6c5d0$c0e45170$@rogers.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlhjL9wC_Kw How I spent my winter. Paul From andre at gt6.ca Thu Apr 21 12:08:23 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:08:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New Video TR7 Race Car In-Reply-To: <003f01cc004b$eaf6c5d0$c0e45170$@rogers.com> References: <003f01cc004b$eaf6c5d0$c0e45170$@rogers.com> Message-ID: Awesome Paul! A. On 21 April 2011 13:45, macdonaldp wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlhjL9wC_Kw > > > > How I spent my winter. > > > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From gaf3 at charter.net Thu Apr 21 16:14:09 2011 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 18:14:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Engine Failure Message-ID: <4DB0AC31.8060706@charter.net> Group I just tore down a club members 74 TR6 engine rebuilt by the Roadster Factory back in 2002. It appears that the circlip that holds the wrist pin (gudgeon pin) in position was not seated properly. Looks like they did a nice job on the rebuild, but the wrist pin hammered the cylinder wall and I need to overbore the cylinder or sleeve it. Have any of you experienced a failure like this. The pistons were new A&E and the oil rings were cast iron and of course they came out in pieces. Thanks in advance Glenn Numerous Triumphs, they keep multiplying From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Apr 21 18:02:02 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 20:02:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fred Thomas Decal Message-ID: As you hopefully know by now our friend and Triumph companion Fred Thomas passed away last month. There were requests for something to remember him by. A decal has been designed and is currently at the printers. It is available to all. The cost to cover the making of the decal and or sticker and the mailing them out to you is $2.00 for the first one and $1.00 for each additional ordered and shipped at the same time. You have two options. The first being a 3 inch diameter sticker that can be placed on your car, toolbox, children or whatever. The second is a 3 inch static cling decal what can be placed on the inside of your windshield, window or any other transparent object you desire. The decal/sticker design can be seen at http://cid-b7b9c2ce6905be67.photos.live.com/self.aspx/FT/Fred^_Thomas^_Decal ^_Final.jpg The outline of the car in the center of the decal is actually Freds red TR3. We took a picture of his car and performed some graphic artistry on it and what was left is an outline of his TR3. Not that it is any different than any other TR3 outline but I thought it was kind of neat that it was Freds. A big thanks to Darrell Floyd for helping me with that part of it. Here is how to get them. I can take PayPal at trmarty at hotmail.com, or you can mail me a check to Marty Sukey 38286 Law Rd. Grafton Ohio 44044. Include how many of each you want and give me your mailing address. Orders will be filled first come first serve. If we run out of product I will refund your money. I will get them in the mail as soon as I can after they come back from the printers but you might have to be patient. Marty From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Fri Apr 22 06:45:20 2011 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:45:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stuff that needs a new home - Cuse I need the money for a Race Engine!! Message-ID: Morning members< Here's a list of some goodies that I have that need a new home: - Slotted and Dimpled rotors for a stock Spitfire (Not GT6 rotors) New 60.00 for the pair. - Spitfire 1300/1500 Complete Cannon intake manifold with 45 Webber and linkage. Was running great on my race Spit Race car when removed $450.00 - Triumph1300 JE Forged pistons 0.030 over used but in excellent condition with pins and locks set of 4 $150.00 - Pertronix Second Strike electronic ignition box with built in rev limiter, like new with manuals etc etc (Basically like a MSD system) $175.00. New ones sell for $320-350.00! I have pics of these parts if you need to see them, just e mail me. I am not a fan of Pay Pal as the fees kill a lot of the dollars. Most of you know of me or at least know who I am so I prefer checks that can clear the bank and then I will ship the items. You will get the parts and they are as described. Hey I'll be at Atlanta for the Mitty the 28/29/30 of April so I can deliver them there if you want. Questions are fine, offers if reasonable will be considered as well thanks!! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From craigl at leinickegroup.com Fri Apr 22 07:17:48 2011 From: craigl at leinickegroup.com (Craig Leinicke) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 08:17:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Video and Carb Tuning In-Reply-To: <003f01cc004b$eaf6c5d0$c0e45170$@rogers.com> Message-ID: Hello Paul, The looks and sounds awesome. Watching the video got me thinking about my TR7 weber carbs. Here is the current carb set up that I am running... Choke tubes -------- 30 Aux. venturis ------- 4.5 Main jets ------------ 125 Emulsion tubes --- F9 Air corr jets --------- 155 Idle jets --------------- 55F8 Pump jets ------------ 45 Pump exh valve ---- 45 My question to the group is... My car tends to run rich (full throttle land speed racing) and rich is better than lean. To lean the mixture which pieces should I change and which direction should I go... And how far? Thanks in advance for feedback... I'm racing mid-may at Maxton. Craig Flashback Racing On 4/21/11 12:45 PM, "macdonaldp" wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlhjL9wC_Kw > > > > How I spent my winter. > > > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/craigl at leinickegroup.com From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Apr 22 08:32:43 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:32:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Video and Carb Tuning In-Reply-To: References: <003f01cc004b$eaf6c5d0$c0e45170$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110422143256.4074618764D@autox.team.net> Here's my understanding: To richen the entire range, run a larger main jet / to lean out the entire range run a smaller (lower number) main jet. To richen the top end, run a smaller air correction jet / to lean out the top end, run a larger air correction jet. The air correction is the main top end mixture tuning device. Changing the air correction jet has some effect on bottom end, so you may end up going one step richer (larger) on the main jet and one or two steps leaner (larger) on the air correction. Going from a 130 to a 135 was a noticeable change both on the mains and on the airs, so move slowly - if using the "track dyno", maybe make changes in the 10's and then refine down to the 5's. Going TOO lean is bad, so I'd try to sneak up on it. I also found that the engine dyno gave me much different settings that I came up with just trial and error on the track using seat of the pants and EGT's. Last time I went through that I was on a dyno with an air/fuel meter so I could see when it went rich / lean. I found that running the largest Choke tubes that I could fit (in my 42DCOE's) helped. I've got a set of beat up 45's on the shelf that I hope to resurrect so I can start that tuning process all over... :) You don't say what your car is, but in my TR-4 I had to run richer than "normal" (for a "normal engine") I suspect that's due to the combustion chamber design (or lack thereof). Tony Drews At 08:17 AM 4/22/2011, Craig Leinicke wrote: >Hello Paul, >The looks and sounds awesome. >Watching the video got me thinking about my TR7 weber carbs. >Here is the current carb set up that I am running... > Choke tubes -------- 30 > Aux. venturis ------- 4.5 > Main jets ------------ 125 > Emulsion tubes --- F9 > Air corr jets --------- 155 > Idle jets --------------- 55F8 > Pump jets ------------ 45 > Pump exh valve ---- 45 > >My question to the group is... My car tends to run rich (full throttle land >speed racing) and rich is better than lean. >To lean the mixture which pieces should I change and which direction should >I go... And how far? >Thanks in advance for feedback... I'm racing mid-may at Maxton. > >Craig >Flashback Racing From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Apr 22 08:32:54 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 10:32:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Video and Carb Tuning In-Reply-To: References: <003f01cc004b$eaf6c5d0$c0e45170$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <001201cc00fa$2ab87f20$80297d60$@rogers.com> Hi Craig I Have: Choke tubes -------- 30 Aux. venturis ------- ?? Main jets ------------ 130 Emulsion tubes --- F9 Air corr jets --------- 190 Idle jets --------------- 45F9 Pump jets ------------ ?? Pump exh valve ---- ?? I bought the carbs on Ebay from someone who had them set up for 5000 feet altitude. They had 165 air correctors and 55F8 idle jets. I have the Haynes manual and read a few sites, the most useful one was this one. http://www.fordcaprilaser.co.uk/weber_dcoe_carbs.htm Has a lot of good stuff on selecting the right parts. I have no clue how my cars runs other than it now starts in the garage. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Craig Leinicke [mailto:craigl at leinickegroup.com] Sent: April 22, 2011 9:18 AM To: macdonaldp; Fot Subject: Re: [Fot]TR7 Video and Carb Tuning Hello Paul, The looks and sounds awesome. Watching the video got me thinking about my TR7 weber carbs. Here is the current carb set up that I am running... Choke tubes -------- 30 Aux. venturis ------- 4.5 Main jets ------------ 125 Emulsion tubes --- F9 Air corr jets --------- 155 Idle jets --------------- 55F8 Pump jets ------------ 45 Pump exh valve ---- 45 My question to the group is... My car tends to run rich (full throttle land speed racing) and rich is better than lean. To lean the mixture which pieces should I change and which direction should I go... And how far? Thanks in advance for feedback... I'm racing mid-may at Maxton. Craig Flashback Racing On 4/21/11 12:45 PM, "macdonaldp" wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlhjL9wC_Kw > > > > How I spent my winter. > > > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/craigl at leinickegroup.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Fri Apr 22 08:43:57 2011 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR7 Video and Carb Tuning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31773.27260.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> To lean throughout the RPM range,go to a smaller main jet. To lean at upper rpm range go to a larger air corrector jet. Mike ________________________________ From: Craig Leinicke To: macdonaldp ; Fot Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:17:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Video and Carb Tuning Hello Paul, The looks and sounds awesome. Watching the video got me thinking about my TR7 weber carbs. Here is the current carb set up that I am running... Choke tubes -------- 30 Aux. venturis ------- 4.5 Main jets ------------ 125 Emulsion tubes --- F9 Air corr jets --------- 155 Idle jets --------------- 55F8 Pump jets ------------ 45 Pump exh valve ---- 45 My question to the group is... My car tends to run rich (full throttle land speed racing) and rich is better than lean. To lean the mixture which pieces should I change and which direction should I go... And how far? Thanks in advance for feedback... I'm racing mid-may at Maxton. Craig Flashback Racing From billb at bnj.com Fri Apr 22 10:05:28 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:05:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Video and Carb Tuning In-Reply-To: <31773.27260.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <31773.27260.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: True, but maybe not useful. The main jet functions from about half throttle to full throttle. If you modulate the throttle you'll see more need for fiddling with all the other jets (idle jets, pump jets, etc.) so in a street car you'll need to do more fiddling to get rid of stumbles and such at every throttle setting. Race cars tend to be WFO so the only thing we really worry about is the main and air corrector. The air corrector tries to adjust the main circuit for differences in differential pressure, which is proportional to RPM if everything else stays the same--but it never does. You can actually tune upper and lower rpm ranges properly with either air corrector or main. The air corrector serves to change the mixture from what it normally would be when the throttle is suddenly changed (ie. 1/2 to full). As a thumb rule, Mike is right, but it's pretty hard to figure out that you're lean at upper RPM unless you're tuning on a dyno with lots of instrumentation. On track it generally takes some fiddling, but I've found getting the full throttle mixture right by doing a plug chop and then paying attention to throttle response from 1/2 to full puts me on the right track. If it sounds flat (rich) when you change the throttle then go to a larger air corrector. If it stumbles (lean) go to a smaller air corrector. Then do the full throttle plug check again to correct the main jet. On Apr 22, 2011, at 7:43 AM, Mike Munson wrote: > To lean throughout the RPM range,go to a smaller main jet. To lean at upper rpm > range go to a larger air corrector jet. > > Mike > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Craig Leinicke > To: macdonaldp ; Fot > Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:17:48 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Video and Carb Tuning > > Hello Paul, > The looks and sounds awesome. > Watching the video got me thinking about my TR7 weber carbs. > Here is the current carb set up that I am running... > Choke tubes -------- 30 > Aux. venturis ------- 4.5 > Main jets ------------ 125 > Emulsion tubes --- F9 > Air corr jets --------- 155 > Idle jets --------------- 55F8 > Pump jets ------------ 45 > Pump exh valve ---- 45 > > My question to the group is... My car tends to run rich (full throttle land > speed racing) and rich is better than lean. > To lean the mixture which pieces should I change and which direction should > I go... And how far? > Thanks in advance for feedback... I'm racing mid-may at Maxton. > > Craig > Flashback Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From gaf3 at charter.net Fri Apr 22 16:30:36 2011 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:30:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Engine Failure In-Reply-To: <4DB0AC31.8060706@charter.net> References: <4DB0AC31.8060706@charter.net> Message-ID: <4DB2018C.5010102@charter.net> Thanks for the feedback on this engine failure. Does anyone out there have a source for the teflon piston pin buttons that were discussed. I remember a thread a while back regarding these. I do have a lathe but no teflon stock just nylatron and I'm not sure the material properties of nylatron would survive engine temps. It would be more cost effective to purchase these rather than make them. Thanks in advance Glenn Numerous Triumphs, they keep multiplying On 4/21/2011 6:14 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Group > I just tore down a club members 74 TR6 engine rebuilt by the Roadster > Factory back in 2002. > It appears that the circlip that holds the wrist pin (gudgeon pin) in > position was not seated properly. > Looks like they did a nice job on the rebuild, but the wrist pin > hammered the cylinder wall and I need to overbore the cylinder or > sleeve it. > Have any of you experienced a failure like this. > The pistons were new A&E and the oil rings were cast iron and of > course they came out in pieces. > Thanks in advance > Glenn > Numerous Triumphs, they keep multiplying > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Apr 22 16:46:08 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:46:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit parts Message-ID: <3E5DD164-2BCF-4F6E-8721-904F29F91231@aol.com> Amici I am going to be selling parts for a 74 and a 72 spit. Not completely sure exactly what I have but I know there is a factory hard top. Engines and trans aren't for sale but a good enough offer might tempt me to sell a trans. Complete suspension and rear I know are there. Some trim parts also. If anyone is interested in a part just drop me a message. Cars located in southern NJ (Vineland) and eastern shore of MD (Easton) I will be at Summit Point race in May. From klynch_6 at msn.com Fri Apr 22 19:22:21 2011 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:22:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Nite' - Message-ID: Evening all- I'd like to introduce to you Chris Sundberg who up until lately, has been a dedicated corner worker with RMVR. Last season or so, Chris purchased Mark Robinson's old Red Spitfire. Chris has been making steady improvements as a driver as well as making steady improvements on the car. It would be great if we could welcome Chis into the fold & so looking for a few show of hands. Thanks folks, & a Happy Easter ! Kev Lynch GT6 #6 From budscars at comcast.net Fri Apr 22 19:32:06 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:32:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Nite' - References: Message-ID: <40A07C9AED6E422FAFEBF8CAB4667FB2@Bud> I second the nomination...here's my hands(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "FOT" Cc: "sund_bug" Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 6:22 PM Subject: [Fot] Nomination Nite' - > Evening all- > I'd like to introduce to you Chris Sundberg who up until lately, has been > a > dedicated corner worker with RMVR. > Last season or so, Chris purchased Mark Robinson's old Red Spitfire. Chris > has > been making steady improvements > as a driver as well as making steady improvements on the car. > It would be great if we could welcome Chis into the fold & so looking for > a > few show of hands. > > Thanks folks, & a Happy Easter ! > > Kev Lynch > GT6 > #6 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Apr 22 19:41:48 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 21:41:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Nite' - In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDCF6EBE96BAE0-CA0-1920D@webmail-d090.sysops.aol.com> cool! another Spitfire.... 2nd -----Original Message----- From: KEVIN LYNCH To: FOT Cc: sund_bug Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:22 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination Nite' - Evening all- I'd like to introduce to you Chris Sundberg who up until lately, has been a dedicated corner worker with RMVR. Last season or so, Chris purchased Mark Robinson's old Red Spitfire. Chris has been making steady improvements as a driver as well as making steady improvements on the car. It would be great if we could welcome Chis into the fold & so looking for a few show of hands. Thanks folks, & a Happy Easter ! Kev Lynch GT6 #6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 20:24:38 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 21:24:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Engine Failure In-Reply-To: <4DB2018C.5010102@charter.net> References: <4DB0AC31.8060706@charter.net> <4DB2018C.5010102@charter.net> Message-ID: <441C59DF-CE4F-4A5F-BEDE-3DBD650E7F75@gmail.com> Glenn, I got mine from Venolia, with a set of pistons. You might call them to see where they get them, or perhaps they'd sell you a set of the proper dimensions. They show up on page 6 of their catalog here: http://www.venolia.com/catalog2005.pdf Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 On Apr 22, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Thanks for the feedback on this engine failure. > Does anyone out there have a source for the teflon piston pin buttons that were discussed. > I remember a thread a while back regarding these. > I do have a lathe but no teflon stock just nylatron and I'm not sure the material properties of nylatron would survive engine temps. > It would be more cost effective to purchase these rather than make them. > Thanks in advance > Glenn > Numerous Triumphs, they keep multiplying > > On 4/21/2011 6:14 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: >> Group >> I just tore down a club members 74 TR6 engine rebuilt by the Roadster Factory back in 2002. >> It appears that the circlip that holds the wrist pin (gudgeon pin) in position was not seated properly. >> Looks like they did a nice job on the rebuild, but the wrist pin hammered the cylinder wall and I need to overbore the cylinder or sleeve it. >> Have any of you experienced a failure like this. >> The pistons were new A&E and the oil rings were cast iron and of course they came out in pieces. >> Thanks in advance >> Glenn >> Numerous Triumphs, they keep multiplying >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Apr 23 11:35:43 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 13:35:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings Message-ID: As I get ready to start putting the Spity engine back together I have a question. Piston rings are the cast iron variety. In the past I have just coated the pistons and cylinder walls with some engine oil prior to insertion. I was talking to an old timer at the machine shop and he said he uses 90 wt gear oil on the cylinder walls and leaves the pistons dry. What do you experts use? Does it make any difference? I do want the rings to seat and I was thinking thinner was better but maybe I am wrong. What say ye? Marty From chasgee at aol.com Sat Apr 23 14:03:12 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 13:03:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings Message-ID: <201104232002.p3NK2wTE030537@imr-ma06.mx.aol.com> A thin coat of Marvel mystery oil on the cylinder walls - seats the rings fast. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: marty sukey Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:35 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings As I get ready to start putting the Spity engine back together I have a question. Piston rings are the cast iron variety. In the past I have just coated the pistons and cylinder walls with some engine oil prior to insertion. I was talking to an old timer at the machine shop and he said he uses 90 wt gear oil on the cylinder walls and leaves the pistons dry. What do you experts use? Does it make any difference? I do want the rings to seat and I was thinking thinner was better but maybe I am wrong. What say ye? Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From REK46 at aol.com Sat Apr 23 16:16:49 2011 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 18:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings Message-ID: <4c56d.1fd784a7.3ae4a9d1@aol.com> Totally agree with Chuck.....Marvel does it well with CI rings In a message dated 4/23/2011 4:06:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, chasgee at aol.com writes: A thin coat of Marvel mystery oil on the cylinder walls - seats the rings fast. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: marty sukey Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:35 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings As I get ready to start putting the Spity engine back together I have a question. Piston rings are the cast iron variety. In the past I have just coated the pistons and cylinder walls with some engine oil prior to insertion. I was talking to an old timer at the machine shop and he said he uses 90 wt gear oil on the cylinder walls and leaves the pistons dry. What do you experts use? Does it make any difference? I do want the rings to seat and I was thinking thinner was better but maybe I am wrong. What say ye? Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Apr 23 16:47:28 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 17:47:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301cc0208$6d5c9640$4815c2c0$@com> Wow, the FOT is fantastic. I'd never have thought of Marvel Mystery oil. Just curious, what kind of piston rings are there other than the cast iron ones and where are they used? Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:36 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings As I get ready to start putting the Spity engine back together I have a question. Piston rings are the cast iron variety. In the past I have just coated the pistons and cylinder walls with some engine oil prior to insertion. I was talking to an old timer at the machine shop and he said he uses 90 wt gear oil on the cylinder walls and leaves the pistons dry. What do you experts use? Does it make any difference? I do want the rings to seat and I was thinking thinner was better but maybe I am wrong. What say ye? Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From mark at bradakis.com Sat Apr 23 18:18:00 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 18:18:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DB36C38.6090102@bradakis.com> In the past ( I haven't built a motor for 5+ years ) I would use good old WD40, liberally, to get the pistons in the bore. But wait, wasn't there a Bon Ami cleanser that had a Chevy part number that would quickly seat rings when dusted into the carb of fresh rebuild? mjb. From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net Tue Apr 19 13:25:37 2011 From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] SCCA Vintage at Laguna 4/30- 5/1 Message-ID: <629103.25220.qm@web180315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> San Francisco region vintage event at Laguna Seca on April 30 & May 1. A great chance to get some track time prior to the Kas Cup. Note - this is a sound controlled event. Small bore production limit is 101db. Bring a muffler, you'll need it. We ran the SFR SCCA vintage at Thunderhill last year, and had a great time. Unfortunately we will not be able to make this race. Schedule and more info at: (sfrscca dot org - if these links don't make it past the crap filter) http://www.sfrscca.org/component/option,com_easycalendar/task,view/id,178/Ite mid,1/cid,22/ http://www.sfrscca.org/images/2011/Calendar/11vintageapril30sched.pdf Any FOT planing to attend? Cheers, Tim Pettenati From jerrybarr at charter.net Sat Apr 23 21:02:04 2011 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 22:02:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings In-Reply-To: <4DB36C38.6090102@bradakis.com> References: <4DB36C38.6090102@bradakis.com> Message-ID: CAT) had the packages of Bon Ami in the dealerships. I seem to remember they were sold and a "compression booster" On Apr 23, 2011, at 7:18 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > In the past ( I haven't built a motor for 5+ years ) I would use good old > WD40, liberally, to get the pistons in the bore. > > But wait, wasn't there a Bon Ami cleanser that had a Chevy part number > that would quickly seat rings when dusted into the carb of fresh rebuild? > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Apr 23 23:41:33 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 22:41:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings In-Reply-To: References: <4DB36C38.6090102@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <04b801cc0242$45108770$0301a8c0@randall> > > But wait, wasn't there a Bon Ami cleanser that had a Chevy > part number > > that would quickly seat rings when dusted into the carb of > fresh rebuild? Actually, I believe it was Bon Ami cleaning powder, not cleanser. There is a difference. If the can says "not safe for use on glass", you've got the wrong one. OSH had it, last time I looked, but none of the local grocery stores did. -- Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Apr 24 04:12:10 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 12:12:10 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR6 racing In-Reply-To: <04b801cc0242$45108770$0301a8c0@randall> References: <4DB36C38.6090102@bradakis.com> <04b801cc0242$45108770$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <001201cc0268$15d50c80$417f2580$@com> Maybe you like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzDEuWE5U3g Cheers Chris From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Apr 25 05:26:07 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 07:26:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers Message-ID: Is anybody currently using one of the Crank-Scrapers.com products in a spitfire? if so I have a question for you. Thanks, Marty From ac at camoletti.ch Mon Apr 25 06:42:03 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:42:03 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft end float TR3-4 Message-ID: <002201cc0346$324860e0$96d922a0$@camoletti.ch> Amici, what are your thoughts about camshaft end float and bearing clearance? Didn't we exchange about it ? Could not find in the FOT database. We discussed distributor gear recently, but could not find a discussion about cam end float and bearing clearances. These certainly have an influence on ignition timing, distributor gear life and valve train lash. Are the stock specs ok ? These are : Clearance bearing #1= 0.00275'' to 0.0047'', Clearance bearings #2-3-4= .002'' to .0035'' End float min .003'' up to .0075'' Thank you for your thoughts! Much appreciated! Alex From igofaster at att.net Mon Apr 25 09:14:47 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 08:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 24 hour Lemons race... and a TR6 Message-ID: <605485.72322.qm@web180818.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Morning FoT... Just woke up from a weekend haze of my first 24 Hour of Lemons Race. Argh.. did we race a true $500 TR6 ALL weekend? Was that a dream? Amazingly enough Bob Kramer and the Sherlock Homeboyz campaigned the TR6 all weekend long and even placed 20th position. Not too shabby. Yours truly, The Pawn Star of CVAR, sponsored $500 for covered space, food, fuel, beer and I was one of 6 drivers. The TR6 had some fuel problems, as we could not get the carb's dialed in. We did have the advantage of cornering though. So.. I know Bob Kramer, Greg Blake and I we turning 2:30's times out of the car that had little past 4000 rpm, and fuel starvation in the turns. I would just go as long as I could and hold out to the very last few feet before I broke into the turns. Amazingly, the car never broke down and we had no contact. We were penalized for two offs in one session Sunday morning, so we were instructed to paint a large Alfa Romero symbol on the trunk lid. We had fun with the paint, made a really nice symbol and the spelled Alpha Bumero in the lid. Although not required I took the extra step to appease the judges by donning voluntarily the 70's afro wig. Bob Kramer says we won some swag, the Grassroots Motors Sports , "Most with the Least" trophy! Go team! I'm ready (with rest) to do it again! Bobby Whitehead From tr6driver at yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 09:30:28 2011 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 08:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] ChumpCar Charlotte Race Report Message-ID: <376373.77577.qm@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well...our race wasn't quite as successful as the LeMons crew (congratulations, guys!)... Day started out very well with Mr. Wayne Andrews showing a LOT of people up! Lost the throttle linkage at one point but we got that fixed and Wayne set some fast times in the wet. Kevin followed and cut some really consistent laps, during his run the whole field was stopped for a red flag to get a talking to as $2,000 worth of barriers had already been trashed. Not Kevin! Kevin turned it over to Jack, who proceeded to lay down some more good times. We gradually climbed into the top ten and had just gotten into 6th place (of 45 cars) when, on his pit in lap...there was an off-course excursion. About 2-1/2 hours later, we had replaced the bent steering rack (Jack and Joe had to go strip it off of one if Jack's cars) and bent wheel, Kevin aligned it by eye and I went out. Started out very slow, but gradually gained confidence in the car and started lowering lap times. We had climbed back to 33rd when... The throttle stuck on the floor. Well...I'm fine. Lacey, on the other hand, is not. Pretty much everything in front of the firewall other than the engine and maybe the brakes are toast. I also managed to take out the left rear fender and wheel as I was going fast enough when I hit that the left rear also hit the guardrail. We are going to explore our options, including possibly transferring everything to a donor TR6 or sectioning the frame. Our next scheduled race is VIR July 30-31. We have some thinking and a LOT of work to do if we are going to make that event... I'm very thankful that the car we built and the safety precautions all worked. I'm very sad that Tim and Joe, who were there all day and worked very hard didn't even get to race. Assuming we make VIR, they'll be first up. Jamie Palmer Squadron Leader, RiffRAF Racing From igofaster at att.net Mon Apr 25 09:38:23 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 08:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Lemon's this weekend In-Reply-To: References: <002501cbfe33$a3a33340$eae999c0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <217799.49857.qm@web180815.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> will this post? http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/04/huggy-bear-shos-galore-and-a-tr6-bs-inspections-at-the-north-dallas-hooptie-24-hours-of-lemons/ Bobby Whitehead From igofaster at att.net Mon Apr 25 10:09:10 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 09:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] small journal Spit Message-ID: <912964.75789.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> how do you identify a small journal 1296cc Spitfire engine? Bobby From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Apr 25 10:16:48 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:16:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] small journal Spit Message-ID: <5f7d2.1736b5d6.3ae6f870@aol.com> The rod bearings will be smaller..........Never mind. ;-)) In a message dated 4/25/2011 9:09:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, igofaster at att.net writes: how do you identify a small journal 1296cc Spitfire engine? Bobby _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From herald948 at aol.com Mon Apr 25 10:19:36 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] small journal Spit In-Reply-To: <912964.75789.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <912964.75789.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDD17BB42800E5-A58-1E3CB@webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com> Assuming the serial number is still visible, it should be either "FD" or "FE" prefix (although there is also a very rare "FF" version as well). --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead how do you identify a small journal 1296cc Spitfire engine? From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Apr 25 10:24:56 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:24:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ChumpCar Charlotte Race Report In-Reply-To: <376373.77577.qm@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <376373.77577.qm@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm so sorry to hear this. You all worked so hard, and had a nice chumper car. The most important parts are safe, the people. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jamie Palmer Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 10:30 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] ChumpCar Charlotte Race Report Well...our race wasn't quite as successful as the LeMons crew (congratulations, guys!)... Day started out very well with Mr. Wayne Andrews showing a LOT of people up! Lost the throttle linkage at one point but we got that fixed and Wayne set some fast times in the wet. Kevin followed and cut some really consistent laps, during his run the whole field was stopped for a red flag to get a talking to as $2,000 worth of barriers had already been trashed. Not Kevin! Kevin turned it over to Jack, who proceeded to lay down some more good times. We gradually climbed into the top ten and had just gotten into 6th place (of 45 cars) when, on his pit in lap...there was an off-course excursion. About 2-1/2 hours later, we had replaced the bent steering rack (Jack and Joe had to go strip it off of one if Jack's cars) and bent wheel, Kevin aligned it by eye and I went out. Started out very slow, but gradually gained confidence in the car and started lowering lap times. We had climbed back to 33rd when... The throttle stuck on the floor. Well...I'm fine. Lacey, on the other hand, is not. Pretty much everything in front of the firewall other than the engine and maybe the brakes are toast. I also managed to take out the left rear fender and wheel as I was going fast enough when I hit that the left rear also hit the guardrail. We are going to explore our options, including possibly transferring everything to a donor TR6 or sectioning the frame. Our next scheduled race is VIR July 30-31. We have some thinking and a LOT of work to do if we are going to make that event... I'm very thankful that the car we built and the safety precautions all worked. I'm very sad that Tim and Joe, who were there all day and worked very hard didn't even get to race. Assuming we make VIR, they'll be first up. Jamie Palmer Squadron Leader, RiffRAF Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From REK46 at aol.com Mon Apr 25 10:35:15 2011 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] small journal Spit Message-ID: <1b7fb.bc701a1.3ae6fcc3@aol.com> The front crank nut is smaller( 1 7/16" wrench ) on the 1296 small journal......the 1500 has a larger nut. and pulley. In a message dated 4/25/2011 12:23:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: Assuming the serial number is still visible, it should be either "FD" or "FE" prefix (although there is also a very rare "FF" version as well). --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead how do you identify a small journal 1296cc Spitfire engine? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Apr 25 11:56:26 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 19:56:26 +0200 Subject: [Fot] ChumpCar Charlotte Race Report In-Reply-To: <376373.77577.qm@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <376373.77577.qm@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301cc0372$1ba2f040$52e8d0c0$@com> Sorry to hear that. I hope you get that fixed soon to have it race ready again. Thumbs pressed Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jamie Palmer Gesendet: Montag, 25. April 2011 17:30 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] ChumpCar Charlotte Race Report Well...our race wasn't quite as successful as the LeMons crew (congratulations, guys!)... Day started out very well with Mr. Wayne Andrews showing a LOT of people up! Lost the throttle linkage at one point but we got that fixed and Wayne set some fast times in the wet. Kevin followed and cut some really consistent laps, during his run the whole field was stopped for a red flag to get a talking to as $2,000 worth of barriers had already been trashed. Not Kevin! Kevin turned it over to Jack, who proceeded to lay down some more good times. We gradually climbed into the top ten and had just gotten into 6th place (of 45 cars) when, on his pit in lap...there was an off-course excursion. About 2-1/2 hours later, we had replaced the bent steering rack (Jack and Joe had to go strip it off of one if Jack's cars) and bent wheel, Kevin aligned it by eye and I went out. Started out very slow, but gradually gained confidence in the car and started lowering lap times. We had climbed back to 33rd when... The throttle stuck on the floor. Well...I'm fine. Lacey, on the other hand, is not. Pretty much everything in front of the firewall other than the engine and maybe the brakes are toast. I also managed to take out the left rear fender and wheel as I was going fast enough when I hit that the left rear also hit the guardrail. We are going to explore our options, including possibly transferring everything to a donor TR6 or sectioning the frame. Our next scheduled race is VIR July 30-31. We have some thinking and a LOT of work to do if we are going to make that event... I'm very thankful that the car we built and the safety precautions all worked. I'm very sad that Tim and Joe, who were there all day and worked very hard didn't even get to race. Assuming we make VIR, they'll be first up. Jamie Palmer Squadron Leader, RiffRAF Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Apr 25 12:15:06 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:15:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] small journal Spit In-Reply-To: <1b7fb.bc701a1.3ae6fcc3@aol.com> References: <1b7fb.bc701a1.3ae6fcc3@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230CFBB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> And once you've identified the smaller front pulley nut, you can separate the 1296s from the 1147s by looking at the head. The 1147s have the siamesed intake ports and have an odd number of head studs (11 vs 10?) Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of REK46 at aol.com Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 11:35 AM To: herald948 at aol.com; igofaster at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] small journal Spit The front crank nut is smaller( 1 7/16" wrench ) on the 1296 small journal......the 1500 has a larger nut. and pulley. In a message dated 4/25/2011 12:23:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: Assuming the serial number is still visible, it should be either "FD" or "FE" prefix (although there is also a very rare "FF" version as well). --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead how do you identify a small journal 1296cc Spitfire engine? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From jsclark at live.ca Mon Apr 25 13:54:43 2011 From: jsclark at live.ca (Jeff Clark) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:54:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak Message-ID: Friends, I need some advice. 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. After two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we have developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? Thanks Jeff Clark From sjanzen at me.com Mon Apr 25 14:07:57 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:07:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I get maybe a few tablespoons of oil out of the rocker vent over a race weekend and have an unvented crankcase, so I really don't think the issue is inadequate crankcase ventilation. do you have an auxiliary line to your valve rockers that could be over-supplying that area - still don't see why so much oil would be blown out the cover vent unless there is another issue too. On Apr 25, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: Friends, I need some advice. 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. After two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we have developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? Thanks Jeff Clark _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Apr 25 14:55:17 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:55:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] oil leak Message-ID: <3d6f2.25d95c1e.3ae739b5@aol.com> Two issues I read here. You developed a leak at the head gasket left side. Front or rear? Are you sure or is it just a valve cover leak? You blew by into the catch can. Not uncommon. Did you get happy with the RPM? Where is your crankcase vented? Sock little 1/2" connection? Anywhere else? If you start getting the revs up you need a lot more ventilation than that stock hole. I run a 1" hose off of the valve cover and still pump some oil sometimes at the high end. Do you have the auxilary feed to the rockers? Stock or roller? Who's rollers? Is the aux feed plugged to a tiny orifice? Lot's of details here to make this lump of iron work...... In a message dated 4/25/2011 12:58:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jsclark at live.ca writes: Friends, I need some advice. 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. After two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we have developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? Thanks Jeff Clark _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From budscars at comcast.net Mon Apr 25 14:55:58 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:55:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil leak References: Message-ID: <455E00DCCC5A4BCBB555036BE2F04DE2@Bud> Jeff... ..give it a compression test before tearing stuff apart..but it sounds like a broken piston ring. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Clark" To: Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 12:54 PM Subject: [Fot] oil leak > Friends, I need some advice. > 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. > After > two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we > have > developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. > After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from > rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head > gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? > Thanks > Jeff Clark > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From sjanzen at me.com Mon Apr 25 14:59:51 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:59:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak In-Reply-To: <3d6f2.25d95c1e.3ae739b5@aol.com> References: <3d6f2.25d95c1e.3ae739b5@aol.com> Message-ID: <63E45805-8377-481D-87EC-7846A3DCECEB@me.com> Jeff, forgot to mention - I get some oil seepage on the driver's left side of the head gasket too, by the pushrods - crankcase pressure. Am installing bigger vents to address that, as Steve suggested. Still surprised by the amount of oil you're getting in the can. On Apr 25, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: Two issues I read here. You developed a leak at the head gasket left side. Front or rear? Are you sure or is it just a valve cover leak? You blew by into the catch can. Not uncommon. Did you get happy with the RPM? Where is your crankcase vented? Sock little 1/2" connection? Anywhere else? If you start getting the revs up you need a lot more ventilation than that stock hole. I run a 1" hose off of the valve cover and still pump some oil sometimes at the high end. Do you have the auxilary feed to the rockers? Stock or roller? Who's rollers? Is the aux feed plugged to a tiny orifice? Lot's of details here to make this lump of iron work...... In a message dated 4/25/2011 12:58:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jsclark at live.ca writes: Friends, I need some advice. 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. After two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we have developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? Thanks Jeff Clark _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From budscars at comcast.net Mon Apr 25 15:00:15 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:00:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil leak References: <3d6f2.25d95c1e.3ae739b5@aol.com> Message-ID: Valve cover..Good point...if it's coming from the valve cover, and you're filling your catch tank, check to see that the set screw that fits into the rocker pedestal has not come out...that will fill your valve cover with oil, while not feeding oil through the rocker. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak > Two issues I read here. You developed a leak at the head gasket left > side. Front or rear? Are you sure or is it just a valve cover leak? > > You blew by into the catch can. Not uncommon. Did you get happy with > the > RPM? Where is your crankcase vented? Sock little 1/2" connection? > Anywhere else? > > If you start getting the revs up you need a lot more ventilation than that > stock hole. I run a 1" hose off of the valve cover and still pump some > oil > sometimes at the high end. Do you have the auxilary feed to the rockers? > Stock or roller? Who's rollers? Is the aux feed plugged to a tiny > orifice? > > Lot's of details here to make this lump of iron work...... > > > In a message dated 4/25/2011 12:58:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > jsclark at live.ca writes: > > Friends, I need some advice. > 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. > After > two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we > have > developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. > After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from > rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head > gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? > Thanks > Jeff Clark > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From fasttrs at yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 15:14:15 2011 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:14:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oil leak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have had holes in pistons, broken or worn rings and leaking head gaskets that caused excessive crankcase pressure and filling the overflow bottle. Just hope it is something simple like a head gasket. Mike #28 EP TR6 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 25, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: > Friends, I need some advice. > 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. After > two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we have > developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. > After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from > rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head > gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? > Thanks > Jeff Clark > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 25 15:24:27 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:24:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil leak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Leakdown test. On Apr 25, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Mike Munson wrote: > I have had holes in pistons, broken or worn rings and leaking head gaskets > that caused excessive crankcase pressure and filling the overflow bottle. Just > hope it is something simple like a head gasket. > > Mike > #28 EP TR6 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 25, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: > >> Friends, I need some advice. >> 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. > After >> two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we > have >> developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. >> After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from >> rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head >> gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? >> Thanks >> Jeff Clark >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Apr 25 15:26:15 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:26:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 HEADGASKET LAGUNA SECA ENGINE Message-ID: <8CDD1A68B08B319-1A94-250F0@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> What is the current best thinking on head gaskets? We have been using conventional head gaskets, slightly modified, with success. But would like to move on....Cometic? We are modifying liners to accept a wire ring and are running about 12:1 compression. Engine assembly has commenced. Looking for source and availability. TIA. JOE A From jsclark at live.ca Mon Apr 25 16:41:29 2011 From: jsclark at live.ca (Jeff Clark) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 18:41:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions Message-ID: Thanks to all I now have a direction before I tear the head off need to get the car ready for May 7 -8 at Mosport I hate oil leaks Jeff From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Apr 25 18:45:52 2011 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:45:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 HEADGASKET LAGUNA SECA ENGINE In-Reply-To: <8CDD1A68B08B319-1A94-250F0@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDD1A68B08B319-1A94-250F0@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DB615C0.9000800@blacksburg.net> On 4/25/2011 5:26 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > What is the current best thinking on head gaskets? > > We have been using conventional head gaskets, slightly modified, with > success. > > But would like to move on....Cometic? > > We are modifying liners to accept a wire ring and are running about 12:1 > compression. > > Engine assembly has commenced. Looking for source and availability. > Joe, I'm running a Cometic H0793SP4043F in my TR4, with excellent success. ISTR that it compressed to 0.035, so it's a little thinner than the Payen. These are special order from Cometic, but their turn-around is only a couple of days (well, was late last year). jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Apr 26 07:03:54 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:03:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] tr4 gasket usage..... Message-ID: <8CDD22987F49E9F-198C-2F759@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com> so far i have two responses: one cometic one steel shim gasket with copper wire anyone else? thanks From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Apr 26 09:06:33 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:06:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local> Gee whiz Jeff, if you hate oil leaks I'm not so sure you should have bought an English Car! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Clark Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 6:41 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions Thanks to all I now have a direction before I tear the head off need to get the car ready for May 7 -8 at Mosport I hate oil leaks Jeff _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Apr 26 10:06:43 2011 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:06:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local> References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com> They only leak when you put oil in them! Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Hasty Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:07 AM To: 'Jeff Clark'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions Gee whiz Jeff, if you hate oil leaks I'm not so sure you should have bought an English Car! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Clark Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 6:41 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions Thanks to all I now have a direction before I tear the head off need to get the car ready for May 7 -8 at Mosport I hate oil leaks Jeff _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Apr 26 10:50:14 2011 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: <000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com> References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local> <000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> If you just consider them as partial-loss oiling systems, the problem goes away... HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing To: jhhasty ; 'Jeff Clark' ; fot Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2011 12:14 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions They only leak when you put oil in them! Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Hasty Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:07 AM To: 'Jeff Clark'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions Gee whiz Jeff, if you hate oil leaks I'm not so sure you should have bought an English Car! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Clark Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 6:41 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions Thanks to all I now have a direction before I tear the head off need to get the car ready for May 7 -8 at Mosport I hate oil leaks Jeff _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From tlizzard at msn.com Tue Apr 26 14:39:42 2011 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:39:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com> <8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com> <8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Guys, guys, guys... It's a feature, not a problem area. Active under vehicle rust control system or ARCS for short... Terry Stetler From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Apr 26 14:43:52 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:43:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com> <8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> I was black flagged twice for leaking (and smoking). Cheers Chris (with an leak free TR (almost)) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Terry Stetler Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:40 An: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com; jsclark at live.ca; fot at autox.team.net; fubog1 Betreff: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions Guys, guys, guys... It's a feature, not a problem area. Active under vehicle rust control system or ARCS for short... Terry Stetler _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue Apr 26 14:48:42 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:48:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: <003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> <003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> Message-ID: Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only discretionary pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:44 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions I was black flagged twice for leaking (and smoking). Cheers Chris (with an leak free TR (almost)) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Terry Stetler Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:40 An: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com; jsclark at live.ca; fot at autox.team.net; fubog1 Betreff: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions Guys, guys, guys... It's a feature, not a problem area. Active under vehicle rust control system or ARCS for short... Terry Stetler _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Apr 26 14:52:36 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:52:36 +0200 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> <003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> Message-ID: <003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> Are you sure? My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that smoking. But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only discretionary pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) Joe C. From budscars at comcast.net Tue Apr 26 15:02:11 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:02:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com><003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> <003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> Message-ID: You guys crack me up!..I'm part of a group of guys called THE OLD GUYS STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE....When we get even older we're changing the name of our group to 'IT ALL DEPENDS' Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions > Are you sure? > My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. > My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that smoking. > > But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? > Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 > An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop > (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only > discretionary > pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Apr 26 15:29:57 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 23:29:57 +0200 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com><003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> <003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> Message-ID: <004b01cc0459$18a10cf0$49e326d0$@com> But as we talk about oil leak solutions: I bet that my race car is the one and only in the world that has closed the lower vent hole on the left block side with a champagne cork. And this NASA like solution does work since 3 years now. I asked Wernher von Braun: What do you use for leaks? Answer: If you are on earth, find a champagne cork, if you are in space, use your thumb. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 23:02 An: MadMarx; 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions You guys crack me up!..I'm part of a group of guys called THE OLD GUYS STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE....When we get even older we're changing the name of our group to 'IT ALL DEPENDS' Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions > Are you sure? > My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. > My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that smoking. > > But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? > Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 > An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop > (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only > discretionary > pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue Apr 26 15:52:11 2011 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:52:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> <003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> Message-ID: I was black flagged once at Heartland Park for smoking (leaking, but it all went on the headers), came in and the pit steward comes up and says, "You were black flagged for smoking. Got a leak?" I replied, "Of course. It's British!" He says, "Going back out?" "Yep" I reply, and off I went. That was the entire conversation. "It's British" seemed to suffice as an explanation. --Rocky Entriken #4 Spitfire Mk. 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions >I was black flagged twice for leaking (and smoking). > > Cheers > Chris (with an leak free TR (almost)) > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Terry Stetler > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:40 > An: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com; jsclark at live.ca; > fot at autox.team.net; fubog1 > Betreff: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > Guys, guys, guys... > > > It's a feature, not a problem area. > > Active under vehicle rust control system or ARCS for short... > > > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 17:39:15 2011 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com><003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> <003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> Message-ID: <841302.72382.qm@web46102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Don't feel too bad. I have two Corvairs too. So as far as leaking I am used to to it. They leak in all kinds of weird places. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 To: MadMarx ; Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 2:02:11 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions You guys crack me up!..I'm part of a group of guys called THE OLD GUYS STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE....When we get even older we're changing the name of our group to 'IT ALL DEPENDS' Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions > Are you sure? > My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. > My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that smoking. > > But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? > Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 > An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop > (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only discretionary > pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com From fpspitfire at comcast.net Tue Apr 26 20:22:03 2011 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 02:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] small journal Spit In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230CFBB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <1957246988.499233.1303870923195.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> and don't forget...if you are looking at used engines the small crank ones will amost definately be missing thrust washers and been run that way for 4000 miles. aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Barr" To: REK46 at aol.com, herald948 at aol.com, igofaster at att.net, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, 25 April, 2011 2:15:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] small journal Spit And once you've identified the smaller front pulley nut, you can separate the 1296s from the 1147s by looking at the head. B The 1147s have the siamesed intake ports and have an odd number of head studs (11 vs 10?) Scott From jerrybarr at charter.net Tue Apr 26 20:27:44 2011 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 21:27:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: <003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> <003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> <003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> Message-ID: I would never do it but I know a guy that races a #49 Blue Spitfire that made a chicken wire and an oil absorbent diaper to stop a serious front of the oil pan leak. We made the whole weekend with no fires or drips. On Apr 26, 2011, at 3:52 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Are you sure? > My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. > My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that smoking. > > But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? > Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 > An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop > (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only discretionary > pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 20:32:12 2011 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (jaxonracing at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 02:32:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] small journal Spit In-Reply-To: <1957246988.499233.1303870923195.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230CFBB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><1957246988.499233.1303870923195.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Only 4000 miles. -----Original Message----- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 02:22:03 To: Scott Barr Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] small journal Spit and don't forget...if you are looking at used engines the small crank ones will amost definately be missing thrust washers and been run that way for 4000 miles. aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Barr" To: REK46 at aol.com, herald948 at aol.com, igofaster at att.net, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, 25 April, 2011 2:15:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] small journal Spit And once you've identified the smaller front pulley nut, you can separate the 1296s from the 1147s by looking at the head. B The 1147s have the siamesed intake ports and have an odd number of head studs (11 vs 10?) Scott _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaxonracing at yahoo.com From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Apr 26 21:02:41 2011 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 23:02:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> <003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> <003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> Message-ID: <001901cc0487$92a402e0$b7ec08a0$@rr.com> Hell, I know another Spitfire racer, who shall remain nameless, that made a "gutter" to run the oil away from his exhaust pipe. Quite a conversation piece. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Barr Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:28 PM To: MadMarx Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions I would never do it but I know a guy that races a #49 Blue Spitfire that made a chicken wire and an oil absorbent diaper to stop a serious front of the oil pan leak. We made the whole weekend with no fires or drips. On Apr 26, 2011, at 3:52 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Are you sure? > My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. > My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that smoking. > > But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? > Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 > An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop > (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only discretionary > pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From mpendy at dishmail.net Tue Apr 26 21:22:36 2011 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:22:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com><003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com><003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> <001901cc0487$92a402e0$b7ec08a0$@rr.com> Message-ID: Heck; when a person forks out several hundred dollars for a race weekend and there is a chance they will tell you to go home 'cause your leakin oil, i'll diaper the whole car and make cut-outs for the tires and my #s and so i can see out........just my 2 cents...........Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'Jerry Barr'" ; "'MadMarx'" Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions > Hell, I know another Spitfire racer, who shall remain nameless, that made > a > "gutter" to run the oil away from his exhaust pipe. Quite a conversation > piece. > Russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Jerry Barr > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:28 PM > To: MadMarx > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' > Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > I would never do it but I know a guy that races a #49 Blue Spitfire that > made > a chicken wire and an oil absorbent diaper to stop a serious front of the > oil > pan leak. We made the whole weekend with no fires or drips. > On Apr 26, 2011, at 3:52 PM, MadMarx wrote: > >> Are you sure? >> My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. >> My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that smoking. >> >> But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? >> Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? >> >> Chris >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 >> An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' >> Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions >> >> Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop >> (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only > discretionary >> pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) >> >> Joe C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net From jkhagen at charter.net Wed Apr 27 15:46:15 2011 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions Message-ID: <38b36f0b.19dc29.12f98ed3d8f.Webtop.43@charter.net> Its' either "depends" or no more enduros. Rebuilt TR-4 [SCCA car] headed to Elk Hart Lake 5/12--need some good karma, John Hagen On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 4:02 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > You guys crack me up!..I'm part of a group of guys called THE OLD GUYS > STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE....When we get even older we're > changing the name of our group to 'IT ALL DEPENDS' > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" > > To: "'Friends of Triumph'" > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > >> Are you sure? >> My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. >> My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that >> smoking. >> >> But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? >> Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? >> >> Chris >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 >> An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' >> Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions >> >> Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you >> stop >> (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only >> discretionary >> pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) >> >> Joe C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Apr 27 17:17:25 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:17:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi Message-ID: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> 1. OEM style gasket 2. OEM style gasket with copper wire in liner groove 3. Steel shim gasket with copper wire 4. Steel shim gasket w/out any wire. 5. Copper gasket with steel wire in head groove. 6. Cometic gasket Gasket dressing varies We have done most all with reasonable success....except Cometic. Surprised at limited number of responses..... and the variety of solutions. Perhaps gasket sealing is a non issue or everyone is busy changing head gaskets. It appears that OEM style is understandably the most forgiving, but concern remains that it might not work well with the typically modified head. Joe A I suppose we should assume that all surfaces and assemblies are in spec. I'd like to see a Cometic and try it...we have one on order but will not receive it in time for this engine assembly. Anyother comments.....?? = From gasket.works at gte.net Wed Apr 27 18:33:00 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 00:33:00 +0000 Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi In-Reply-To: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <542724799-1303950781-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1314259924-@bda712.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Gasket sealing is a dynamic deal. The axial camping force minus the combustion chamber pressure is obviously key. No sealing agent will overcome less than adequate head studs. If the liners are too proud or off between each other seepage of oil and coolant will occur with head lift during load. Stock compression and thick stock head gaskets are very forgiving. Race motors are not. MLS head gaskets were designed with intent of sliding along each portion as expansion of the head and block occur @ different rates (alum head/ iron block). Some gaskets need retorquing during warm up. Sealants come in various flavors. The holy grail is yet to be found. But there good products out there. I have tested many. I'm not going to detail results here. Solid Copper hg's are not for everyone. Some people have nothing but problems, some love them. I use them --- go figure. Work for me. Perhaps I am exacting when it comeS to liner protrusion. For the tr tractor engine symetrical liner height is crucial. Using a steel metal hg keep the protrusion no less than .003" more than .005" will likely be an immediate problem. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:17:25 To: Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi 1. OEM style gasket 2. OEM style gasket with copper wire in liner groove 3. Steel shim gasket with copper wire 4. Steel shim gasket w/out any wire. 5. Copper gasket with steel wire in head groove. 6. Cometic gasket Gasket dressing varies We have done most all with reasonable success....except Cometic. Surprised at limited number of responses..... and the variety of solutions. Perhaps gasket sealing is a non issue or everyone is busy changing head gaskets. It appears that OEM style is understandably the most forgiving, but concern remains that it might not work well with the typically modified head. Joe A I suppose we should assume that all surfaces and assemblies are in spec. I'd like to see a Cometic and try it...we have one on order but will not receive it in time for this engine assembly. Anyother comments.....?? = _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Apr 28 00:31:22 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:31:22 +0200 Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi In-Reply-To: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001b01cc056d$e6cbecc0$b463c640$@com> I had used self made plain copper, copper with wire. They didn't last, half a race and the water was gone. I moved on the crimped steel shim gaskets, sold by Bastuck or Racetoratios. Both do well but after 2-3 events I have to change them. I also had an interest at Cometic, but the gasket is too thick, about 0.047" instead of the steel shim thickness of 0.0236". It seems that this gasket won't fit my engine. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. April 2011 01:17 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi 1. OEM style gasket 2. OEM style gasket with copper wire in liner groove 3. Steel shim gasket with copper wire 4. Steel shim gasket w/out any wire. 5. Copper gasket with steel wire in head groove. 6. Cometic gasket Gasket dressing varies We have done most all with reasonable success....except Cometic. Surprised at limited number of responses..... and the variety of solutions. Perhaps gasket sealing is a non issue or everyone is busy changing head gaskets. It appears that OEM style is understandably the most forgiving, but concern remains that it might not work well with the typically modified head. Joe A I suppose we should assume that all surfaces and assemblies are in spec. I'd like to see a Cometic and try it...we have one on order but will not receive it in time for this engine assembly. Anyother comments.....?? = _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Apr 28 08:07:30 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:07:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi In-Reply-To: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000901cc05ad$9eb98060$dc2c8120$@com> We have had good results with the Payen, which is what I think you mean by "OEM style, and it is still available from NWBP. At least it was a couple of weeks ago when I stocked up on them. We're running a bit above 11:1 C.R. We don't use any gasket dressing, as I recall. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:17 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi 1. OEM style gasket 2. OEM style gasket with copper wire in liner groove 3. Steel shim gasket with copper wire 4. Steel shim gasket w/out any wire. 5. Copper gasket with steel wire in head groove. 6. Cometic gasket Gasket dressing varies We have done most all with reasonable success....except Cometic. Surprised at limited number of responses..... and the variety of solutions. Perhaps gasket sealing is a non issue or everyone is busy changing head gaskets. It appears that OEM style is understandably the most forgiving, but concern remains that it might not work well with the typically modified head. Joe A I suppose we should assume that all surfaces and assemblies are in spec. I'd like to see a Cometic and try it...we have one on order but will not receive it in time for this engine assembly. Anyother comments.....?? = _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Apr 28 08:21:12 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:21:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi In-Reply-To: <000901cc05ad$9eb98060$dc2c8120$@com> Message-ID: Payen works for us at 12:1.....but had to make sure the head was "flat" John H. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:08 AM To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi We have had good results with the Payen, which is what I think you mean by "OEM style, and it is still available from NWBP. At least it was a couple of weeks ago when I stocked up on them. We're running a bit above 11:1 C.R. We don't use any gasket dressing, as I recall. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:17 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi 1. OEM style gasket 2. OEM style gasket with copper wire in liner groove 3. Steel shim gasket with copper wire 4. Steel shim gasket w/out any wire. 5. Copper gasket with steel wire in head groove. 6. Cometic gasket Gasket dressing varies We have done most all with reasonable success....except Cometic. Surprised at limited number of responses..... and the variety of solutions. Perhaps gasket sealing is a non issue or everyone is busy changing head gaskets. It appears that OEM style is understandably the most forgiving, but concern remains that it might not work well with the typically modified head. Joe A I suppose we should assume that all surfaces and assemblies are in spec. I'd like to see a Cometic and try it...we have one on order but will not receive it in time for this engine assembly. Anyother comments.....?? = _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Apr 28 08:43:49 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:43:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi In-Reply-To: <000901cc05ad$9eb98060$dc2c8120$@com> References: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <000901cc05ad$9eb98060$dc2c8120$@com> Message-ID: <8CDD3C9D1DDA0DE-1B74-9909@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> Excellent! SURVEY SAYS: the guys on the east coast prefer PAYEN the guys on the west coast prefer solid gaskets simple answer to complex subject..... once again, success depends on everything being up to specifications, methinks. i gained considerably from the responses and it was greatly appreciated. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ ultimately, the Payen is likely the most forgiving...seems right. the solid gaskets work well when there is supreme attention to detail. the jury is still out on Cometic, but might be used more if it were configured closer to our needs. the use of gasket dressing is 'nothing' to several choices. I could buy into any of the choices and have a theory of my own for the steel shim gasket, but have not tried it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Thanks! this list is the best. i got about 20 responses. a nice sampling. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Tim Murphy To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:07 am Subject: RE: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi We have had good results with the Payen, which is what I think you mean by "OEM style, and it is still available from NWBP. At least it was a couple of weeks ago when I stocked up on them. We're running a bit above 11:1 C.R. We don't use any gasket dressing, as I recall. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:17 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi 1. OEM style gasket 2. OEM style gasket with copper wire in liner groove 3. Steel shim gasket with copper wire 4. Steel shim gasket w/out any wire. 5. Copper gasket with steel wire in head groove. 6. Cometic gasket Gasket dressing varies We have done most all with reasonable success....except Cometic. Surprised at limited number of responses..... and the variety of solutions. Perhaps gasket sealing is a non issue or everyone is busy changing head gaskets. It appears that OEM style is understandably the most forgiving, but concern remains that it might not work well with the typically modified head. Joe A I suppose we should assume that all surfaces and assemblies are in spec. I'd like to see a Cometic and try it...we have one on order but will not receive it in time for this engine assembly. Anyother comments.....?? = _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From riverside at southslope.net Thu Apr 28 09:42:06 2011 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:42:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Pistons Message-ID: <79B6D70EC7354C04903BF641B138992C@rileyPC> Anybody had experience with either JP or Nural pistons?? thanks! art de armond From jason at multivintage.com Thu Apr 28 14:46:46 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:46:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Justin Wagner Valve Cover gaskets and other GT6 gaskets Message-ID: Continuing Gt6 gasket sources conversations . Looks like most Gt6 racers use head gaskets closer to stock. If you need something different or custom made to spec...Mordy at gasketworks can deliver what you need... he only makes head gaskets. Now please on to Justin Wagner? You are making some sort of reusable silicone Valve Cover gaskets? upon recommendation from Mordy @ gasketworks can you please forward a product description and price? I need to buy a few Valve Cover Gaskets. Thank You, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From KENMUN at aol.com Fri Apr 29 12:51:47 2011 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:51:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] tr3/4 cyl liners Message-ID: <8bd3a.75ed97ff.3aec62c3@aol.com> fot. i need at least two good used 87mm liners. thanks, ken m. vintage tr3 racer. From budscars at comcast.net Fri Apr 29 14:20:54 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:20:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR2/TR3 wire wheel hubs NEEDED Message-ID: Hi Gang...If someone can help here please contact Kevin at the link in the request. Thanks Racer Bud Kevin Larkin is in need of front wire wheel hubs for drum brake TR2/TR3. These are for his TR based Doretti. If you have some or know of some please contact Kevin at kl at westek.com From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Apr 29 22:27:22 2011 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 04:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR-6 piston substitute In-Reply-To: <1458632813.1326343.1304137479408.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <543317331.1326537.1304137642908.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I am also looking for help with pistons for the Tr 6B I have been pointed to Wishbone classics because they have used a piston from a Mazda but have not received a reply. If anyone can pass along any info about this conversion it would be a a big help.B ThanksB B rob From sund_bug at colomail.com Mon Apr 25 21:27:34 2011 From: sund_bug at colomail.com (sund_bug at colomail.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:27:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Nite' - Message-ID: <20110425202734.8F24A6B1@resin14.mta.everyone.net> From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Apr 26 15:06:51 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:06:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lemon's TR6 scores a Grassroots Motorsports "Most from the Least Award" Message-ID: Subject: FW: Lemon's this weekend We raced out crap can TR6 in this past weekends "Hooptie" Lemon's race at Eagles Canyon in north Texas and we won an AWARD! After the race we received the Grassroots Motorsports Magazine "Most from the Least Award" for the best finisher in the crappiest car. The Hooptie was not well attended due to the Easter weekend thing. There were 40 or so cars, almost all of them Lemon's veterans. These are the fast guys, serious Lemonheads. The TR6 was one of the slowest cars there. Regardless, our dependability and consistency kept us on the track and we hovered around the top 20 all weekend, and yes the car does look crappy. You can't see the GoodParts in the suspension or the 1965 vintage ADDCO swaybars through all the rust and decals. Most of the drivers kept it clean and we only got three black flags all weekend, two for spins (yes, one was me) and one towards the end of the weekend when only the leaders (fast cars) were still on the track and they decided to pull us in to tell us to go faster and/or get out of the way better. We also had a couple of "hey your dragging something" flags when the speedo cable came loose and later when someone left a set of arm restraints in the car only to have them fall through the jacking hole....slowly enough that a corner worker saw it happen. Does everyone have those rubber plugs disappear like I do? I know, metal plates solve the problem...... Our car suffers from float bowl issues, stumbling badly coming out of turns, worse on lefthanders. The poor old car handles so well that it is very noticeable to the drivers that the stock engine, sputtering out of corners really hurts laps times. The Strombergs are going to be tossed and we'll replace them with some TR4 tested SU's for the future. We know how to work with those float bowls. The Lucas alternator never did work but Joe Hovey brought his "one wire" Geo Metro version from his race Spit and we enjoyed not having to swap batteries on Sunday. Typically, as the weekend progressed the clutch slave got a little pissy, if you know what I mean and shifting got harder late in the day. Power seemed to be going down too, but we messed with the timing "by ear" in a pit stop and probably got that wrong. The North Texas crew, JoeHovey, Bill Collins and Ed Barnard did a fabulous job for us. With 6 drivers, 3 crew, we had the event covered. They did a lot of running around, handled the fueling ($4.00 a gallon gas runs quickly through a TR6 at quasi race speeds), set tire pressures, bled brakes etc. They made the weekend spectacular from the experience standpoint. They'll all be driving in the Dec Lemon's race at Texas Motor Speedway, along with Bobby Whitehead, who not only regaled us with his singing and guitar playing Saturday night he, the Pawn Star of CVAR, sponsored much of the cost of this weekend for us. Bobby's singing was so good that it drunks from all over the garage area were wondering over to our pit. Thank you's go out to the Sherlock Homeboyz, V.1 who built the car and V.2 for a great weekend. Thanks to Tim Suddard for the nice plaque. We earned and deserved it! We love the way Tim and his two magazines support Triumphs and racing in general. It is quite an honor to take one of those home in a TR6, and I hereby make you an honorary member of the Homeboyz (don't reject us, please). I'd send it to you for your collection, but just pull one out of the box and say I did, OK? We got a little press, see the link below. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden ________________________________ From: Robert MacKenzie [mailto:robert at mackenzie.aero] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 8:20 AM To: Kramer, Robert; 'Greg & Alison Blake'; 'Andrew Kramer' Cc: jhovey1 at sbcglobal.net; 'Andrew Kramer'; 'Bob Baker'; Rblake36 at yahoo.com; igofaster at att.net; edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; 'William Collins'; 'Blake, Gregory S' Subject: RE: Lemon's this weekend You guys got some good press: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/04/huggy-bear-shos-galore-and-a-tr6-bs- inspections-at-the-north-dallas-hooptie-24-hours-of-lemons/ Robert MacKenzie President, Hill Country Triumph Club president at hillcountrytriumphclub.org www.hillcountrytriumphclub.org [cid:image001.jpg at 01CC042B.F4406EF0] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Apr 30 09:56:26 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 08:56:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR2/TR3 wire wheel hubs NEEDED In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <043301cc074f$29cad030$0301a8c0@randall> > Kevin Larkin is in need of front wire wheel hubs for > drum brake TR2/TR3. Has he tried TRF? They have them listed as available. PN 108277/108278; $200 each. https://secure.zeni.net/trf/ -- Randall From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sat Apr 30 10:06:07 2011 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:06:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR-6 piston substitute In-Reply-To: <543317331.1326537.1304137642908.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1458632813.1326343.1304137479408.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <543317331.1326537.1304137642908.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000a01cc0750$83fb14b0$8bf13e10$@rr.com> I'd love to hear about it too. Looking for cheap parts to build a fast street engine. Thanks, Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 11:27 PM To: team, FOT Subject: [Fot] TR-6 piston substitute I am also looking for help with pistons for the Tr 6B I have been pointed to Wishbone classics because they have used a piston from a Mazda but have not received a reply. If anyone can pass along any info about this conversion it would be a a big help.B ThanksB B rob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From donmarshall at nefcom.net Sat Apr 30 10:37:06 2011 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:37:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire oil cooler orientation Message-ID: I'm curious if anyone has their oil cooler mounted with the openings at the bottom and if there have been any problems. This is for a Spitfire with the 1147 engine. As best I can tell it was raced most of its life with the oil cooler feeding from the bottom so I'm guessing that it won't be a problem but I thought I'd check with the group just in case. From what I've read, there may be concerns about air getting trapped at the top of the cooler as well as the possibility of oil not making it all the way through and being less effective than it should. Does anyone have any direct experience with this? Thanks, Don -- From billb at bnj.com Sat Apr 30 10:55:50 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 09:55:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire oil cooler orientation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35886EA5-D52E-4E46-AD90-27241828A4D3@bnj.com> I've always done it that way. I suppose there could be a problem, but I've never seen one. I'll tell you for sure that if there's an air bubble it's a little one, when I drain the thing it always seems to have far more oil in it than it should hold--especially if I don't get the drain pan in the right place. I do, of course, make sure my oiling system is full by pre-running the pump with a drill before I open the Accusump and start the motor for the first time. On Apr 30, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Don Marshall wrote: > I'm curious if anyone has their oil cooler mounted with the openings at > the bottom and if there have been any problems. This is for a Spitfire > with the 1147 engine. As best I can tell it was raced most of its life > with the oil cooler feeding from the bottom so I'm guessing that it won't > be a problem but I thought I'd check with the group just in case. From > what I've read, there may be concerns about air getting trapped at the top > of the cooler as well as the possibility of oil not making it all the way > through and being less effective than it should. Does anyone have any > direct experience with this? Thanks, Don > > -- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spitlist at cox.net Sat Apr 30 11:19:56 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:19:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire oil cooler orientation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I tried mounting one with the openings at the bottom for obvious reasons. But I found that it put the hoses too close to the ground for my own confidence, so I turned it over. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Marshall Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 9:37 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire oil cooler orientation I'm curious if anyone has their oil cooler mounted with the openings at the bottom and if there have been any problems. This is for a Spitfire with the 1147 engine. As best I can tell it was raced most of its life with the oil cooler feeding from the bottom so I'm guessing that it won't be a problem but I thought I'd check with the group just in case. From what I've read, there may be concerns about air getting trapped at the top of the cooler as well as the possibility of oil not making it all the way through and being less effective than it should. Does anyone have any direct experience with this? Thanks, Don -- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com Sat Apr 30 13:36:27 2011 From: jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com (john preston) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 15:36:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire oil cooler orientation In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I mounted mine in front of the radiator on its side.. flat sides up and down with entrance and exits towards engine. I know it sounds strange but it seem to cool well, it easy to drain in the car, hoses are easy on and off. I have not had any problems ...yet. John Preston > From: spitlist at cox.net > To: donmarshall at nefcom.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:19:56 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire oil cooler orientation > > I tried mounting one with the openings at the bottom for obvious reasons. > But I found that it put the hoses too close to the ground for my own > confidence, so I turned it over. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Don Marshall > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 9:37 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire oil cooler orientation > > I'm curious if anyone has their oil cooler mounted with the openings at > the bottom and if there have been any problems. This is for a Spitfire > with the 1147 engine. As best I can tell it was raced most of its life > with the oil cooler feeding from the bottom so I'm guessing that it won't > be a problem but I thought I'd check with the group just in case. From > what I've read, there may be concerns about air getting trapped at the top > of the cooler as well as the possibility of oil not making it all the way > through and being less effective than it should. Does anyone have any > direct experience with this? Thanks, Don > > -- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com From igofaster at att.net Sat Apr 30 21:08:14 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me Message-ID: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> After a wonderful 1st experience with 24 hr of Lemons.. I decided I needed a $500 project for Lemons. Viola !!! A 1993 Miata is in my near future. Hey... with 3 Triumphs, I needed something to work on... Bobby Whitehead From ac at camoletti.ch Fri Apr 1 03:56:23 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 11:56:23 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Tubular pushrods Message-ID: <004401cbf053$0f484f20$2dd8ed60$@camoletti.ch> Amici, Any thoughts about the TR3-4 tubular chrome moly pushrods sold by TRF at 99? Are these better or worse than the Moss tubular rods TT 1133? Comments appreciated before I purchase! Thank you and enjoy the we! Alex From brad.kahler at 141.com Fri Apr 1 18:29:37 2011 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 20:29:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Torque specs needed ASAP! Message-ID: I'm hoping someone will have a good idea of what torque to use for fastening the flywheel to Susan's 1300 Spitfire motor. It has a Moldex crank, aluminum flywheel and ARP bolts with ARP washers. The thread size is 3/8x24. I will also be using loctite during the install. Any suggestions on torque spec? Thanks! Brad From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Apr 1 19:38:35 2011 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 01:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Air dam Tr6 In-Reply-To: <1751383795.98835.1301707663280.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <698526733.99165.1301708315767.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hello everyoneB B Can anyone tell me how the stock air dam came to be and how effective it is. All the current racers i have seen are using a straight to the ground flat air damB Its in keeping with the brick motif. I am considering keepingB the stock air dam and dropping a skirt straight to the ground below it.B I B haven't a clue if this will be more effectiveB and perhapsB the single straight damB is best. I have never tested the car with out the stock air damB B as i think about it now itB could of been a simple change to make on a test dayB The rules and the B added material thing B are a drag. B I would love a projectB to plate to underside of the car with light aluminumB B B B B B Thanks for the feed backB B B B rob From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Apr 1 20:26:39 2011 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:26:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Air dam Tr6 In-Reply-To: <698526733.99165.1301708315767.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <698526733.99165.1301708315767.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <345F828C-7BBE-4CB8-A7CC-51F8FE74CB0A@wi.rr.com> Just be sure to duct the front brakes! Allen On Apr 1, 2011, at 8:38 PM, 19to1tr6 at comcast.net wrote: > Hello everyoneB B > > Can anyone tell me how the stock air dam came to be and how > effective it is. > All the current racers i have seen are using a straight to the > ground flat air > damB Its in keeping with the brick motif. I am considering > keepingB the > stock air dam and dropping a skirt straight to the ground below > it.B I > B haven't a clue if this will be more effectiveB and perhapsB the > single > straight damB is best. I have never tested the car with out the > stock air > damB B as i think about it now itB could of been a simple change > to make on > a test dayB The rules and the B added material thing B are a drag. > B I > would love a projectB to plate to underside of the car with light > aluminumB B B B B B Thanks for the feed backB B B B rob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Apr 1 20:56:36 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:56:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Torque specs needed ASAP! Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E73638@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> The ARP instruction sheet should come into play here. Mine says 40 lb/ft with ARP Moly Lube or 60 lb/ft with 30 weight. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Fri Apr 01 19:29:37 2011 Subject: [Fot] Torque specs needed ASAP! I'm hoping someone will have a good idea of what torque to use for fastening the flywheel to Susan's 1300 Spitfire motor. It has a Moldex crank, aluminum flywheel and ARP bolts with ARP washers. The thread size is 3/8x24. I will also be using loctite during the install. Any suggestions on torque spec? Thanks! Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Fri Apr 1 23:43:25 2011 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:43:25 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 QUAIFE Straight Cut Gear Set Message-ID: Anyone using the QUAIFE straight cut gear set for TR4-6? I have a particular question reading the set up of the Lay/Countershaft gear and the STD thrust washers. The QUAIFE set has a portion of the centre gear protruding through and past the gear. This means that the splined shaft actually runs on the LARGE thrust washers instead of a nice ground face like the STD original. That just doesn't make any sense to me! Cheers. 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[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image003.jpg] From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat Apr 2 03:13:29 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 19:13:29 +1000 Subject: [Fot] alloy water pump housing TR6 Message-ID: can anyone point me towards a reputable supplier of an alloy water pump housing for the 6 cyl engine. thanks Terry From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Apr 2 06:09:12 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 08:09:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR & Kas' new book. will bring to VIR if you wish. Message-ID: <8CDBF45E98FA0DE-21E0-31A9@webmail-d136.sysops.aol.com> FOT @ VIR If you want to save shipping costs, I will bring Kas' newest book to those who want one. Let me know and I will allocate one for you. Anything else? Joe From stutzmans at comcast.net Sat Apr 2 07:57:41 2011 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:57:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR Message-ID: <5F033A82933C44588B1D56BBDA3507D1@ComputerPC> Do any of you who are running at VIR have extra crew passes for a couple fellow travelers from WPTA? Bruce Stutzman and Ed Major From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sat Apr 2 11:37:07 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 12:37:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Torque specs needed ASAP! Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E7363F@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Barry's right on the chamfer of the bolt holes to clear the radius under the new bolt head. I bought new ones last year as direct replacements for the old ARP bolts. The heads popped off of three of them in the first session. We now have chamfered bolt holes. Scott B. ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Munson To: Barr, Scott Sent: Sat Apr 02 12:30:58 2011 Subject: RE: [Fot] Torque specs needed ASAP! Hi Brad - FYI - As I'm in the process of installing the flywheel on my TR3 motor using ARP flywheel bolts, the instructions emphasize the following: "Do NOT use any washers with ARP Flywheel Bolts. They are designed to be installed without them. ARP will NOT be responsible for failure resulting from using a washer with this kit. Make sure that flywheel bolt holes are chamfered adequately to clear radius under the head of the bolt." Torque specs are as Scott has indicated. Barry. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: April-01-11 8:57 PM To: brad.kahler at 141.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Torque specs needed ASAP! The ARP instruction sheet should come into play here. Mine says 40 lb/ft with ARP Moly Lube or 60 lb/ft with 30 weight. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Fri Apr 01 19:29:37 2011 Subject: [Fot] Torque specs needed ASAP! I'm hoping someone will have a good idea of what torque to use for fastening the flywheel to Susan's 1300 Spitfire motor. It has a Moldex crank, aluminum flywheel and ARP bolts with ARP washers. The thread size is 3/8x24. I will also be using loctite during the install. Any suggestions on torque spec? Thanks! Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/barry at penybryn.ca From klynch_6 at msn.com Sat Apr 2 17:46:23 2011 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:46:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 trans cover pattern ? Message-ID: Group: With our brief warm spell here, am finally reassembling the #6 car. While doing so I was mulling over replacing my forlorn looking t-cover with alum. sheet. Have a half sheet that's been lurking in the shed for 3-4 yrs. Any thoughts, or GT6/Spit bucks/patterns exist I could duplicate ? good weekend all - Kevin From mark at bradakis.com Sat Apr 2 18:17:03 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 18:17:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 trans cover pattern ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D97BC7F.4050402@bradakis.com> Keep in mind that the starter on the GT6 is on the right side, the left side on a Spit. The clearance bulges are different. We've been getting some warm spring weather here in Salt Lake, I may actually get out to the garage and take care of some long overdue car stuff this weekend. mjb. From herald948 at aol.com Sat Apr 2 20:26:00 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 22:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 trans cover pattern ? In-Reply-To: <4D97BC7F.4050402@bradakis.com> References: <4D97BC7F.4050402@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CDBFBD9AEE6875-185C-A621@webmail-d031.sysops.aol.com> On the other hand, a later Herald 1200 cover is the same shape all around. The only difference is the location of the hole for the shift lever, which is further back on the Vitesse/GT6 than on the Herald. (Earlier Herald covers are the same as Spitfire.) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis Keep in mind that the starter on the GT6 is on the right side, the left side on a Spit. The clearance bulges are different. From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Apr 3 09:20:16 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 11:20:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 trans cover pattern ? Message-ID: <2e0a7.6c8631f1.3ac9ea30@aol.com> I'm about to embark on the same project, even have the sheet already. One poser that I'm still stewing on is the front flange to the firewall cutout. I'm thinking this should be thicker, maybe .125. Beyond that, I'm thinking of bringing the sides straight down to use Dzus fasteners instead of the stock bent flange and screws. Maybe even rubeer stretch grips, whqatever they're called... In a message dated 4/2/2011 7:54:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: On the other hand, a later Herald 1200 cover is the same shape all around. The only difference is the location of the hole for the shift lever, which is further back on the Vitesse/GT6 than on the Herald. (Earlier Herald covers are the same as Spitfire.) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis Keep in mind that the starter on the GT6 is on the right side, the left side on a Spit. The clearance bulges are different. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From jason at multivintage.com Sun Apr 3 16:33:37 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 17:33:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 trans cover pattern ? In-Reply-To: <2e0a7.6c8631f1.3ac9ea30@aol.com> References: <2e0a7.6c8631f1.3ac9ea30@aol.com> Message-ID: The Dzus is a great idea. Ive been wanting to do that too. Those screws seem to have to come off quite often...I have to take mine off after every session to examine whats leaking or flapping in the breeze. Also, take into consideration that the gap between the firewall and the tunnel cover CAN catch the edge of the gas peddle and trap it. Glued to the floor. "ALL IN" with no hope of slowing down. Don't ask how I know this, but I'm a bit paranoid about it and currently ritualize five pieces of duct tape to seal the gap before every session. Yikes! In spite of mine being a nice custom fiberglass an aluminum cover I have plans to make the edge by the accelerator extend way over to the left and somehow attach under the gas peddle. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing. On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 10:20 AM, wrote: One poser that I'm still stewing on is the front flange to the firewall cutout. I'm thinking this should be thicker, maybe .125. Beyond that, I'm thinking of bringing the sides straight down to use Dzus fasteners instead of the stock bent flange and screws. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Apr 4 02:51:02 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 10:51:02 +0200 Subject: [Fot] BARRY MUNSON'S NEW FOT PATCHES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001001cbf2a5$70ba6320$522f2960$@com> Ladies and Gentlemen, especially Barry Munson, I'm deeply honored to get one of these FOT patches! It was a big surprise to find a letter from Canada at my letterbox and inside the envelope the FOT patch. The patch is really looking great and I'm proud to wear it on my race gear over my heart. Thank you for sending this to me. Cheers Chris From donmarshall at nefcom.net Mon Apr 4 07:23:37 2011 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 09:23:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR this weekend Message-ID: If anyone is still on the fence about coming to VIR this weekend, now's the time to jump off and start packing. I just took a look at the schedule and there are 6 practice sessions, 3 races PLUS a one hour enduro for us. That's over 5 hours on track for $400. You can't beat that anywhere, not to mention that it's held at one of the finest facilities in the country and gives you a chance to hang with lots of your Triumph buddies. Last I heard, we're expecting between 15 and 20 Triumph race cars, as well as a goodly number of Triumph folks who are coming without their cars. If you do come, be sure to join us in the Triumph Ghetto on Friday evening for dinner. Don -- From fogbro1 at comcast.net Mon Apr 4 09:35:33 2011 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 15:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 86mm TR4 Grant Piston Rings Message-ID: <1152844864.555650.1301931333162.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> List, In attempting to assemble the 3 piece oil control ring, I found that the expander-spacer is too long, preventing the installation of the two other rings of this set. The expander-spacer also does not fit the bore. No big surprise, but I thought I'd check it in the bore as well as on the piston. All other rings, compression and oil, fit the 86mm std. bore with a .012 gap. I tried the oil control ring set from the second Grant ring set with the same result. The (used) pistons are British made AE, 4 ring. They were installed with the current liners as the engine came to me. There is virtually no wear in piston or liner. The liners were honed to break the glaze. I have on hand two sets of Grant rings for these pistons. A few questions for the List: 1. Has anyone experienced this problem with Grant ring sets? 2. Should I just forget about the expander ring set and use a single, plain oil ring above the wrist pin? 3. Should I use two standard oil rings, one above and one below the wrist pin by using an additional ring from the second ring set? Any insights/comments welcome. Ed Woods From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Mon Apr 4 12:35:40 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 14:35:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] 86mm TR4 Grant Piston Rings Message-ID: <38fdc.3e4a229a.3acb697c@aol.com> You'll probably file to achieve the correct gap or check and make sure they are the right manufacturer. How big in diameter are they? Sam In a message dated 4/4/2011 10:59:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, fogbro1 at comcast.net writes: List, In attempting to assemble the 3 piece oil control ring, I found that the expander-spacer is too long, preventing the installation of the two other rings of this set. The expander-spacer also does not fit the bore. No big surprise, but I thought I'd check it in the bore as well as on the piston. All other rings, compression and oil, fit the 86mm std. bore with a .012 gap. I tried the oil control ring set from the second Grant ring set with the same result. The (used) pistons are British made AE, 4 ring. They were installed with the current liners as the engine came to me. There is virtually no wear in piston or liner. The liners were honed to break the glaze. I have on hand two sets of Grant rings for these pistons. A few questions for the List: 1. Has anyone experienced this problem with Grant ring sets? 2. Should I just forget about the expander ring set and use a single, plain oil ring above the wrist pin? 3. Should I use two standard oil rings, one above and one below the wrist pin by using an additional ring from the second ring set? Any insights/comments welcome. Ed Woods _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From donmarshall at nefcom.net Mon Apr 4 14:22:47 2011 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (donmarshall at nefcom.net) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 16:22:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil on sale Message-ID: <20110404202318.D936E291A95@smtp1.av-mx.com> If you use Valvoline VR1 racing oil, Autozone it on sale for $2.50 a quart, but apparently today is the last day of the sale so if you use VR1 it's worth a quick drive to the store. My store happened to be out but they sold me a case and will get it for me tomorrow. -- From donmarshall at nefcom.net Mon Apr 4 14:24:44 2011 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 16:24:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil on sale Message-ID: If you use Valvoline VR1 racing oil, Autozone has it on sale for $2.50 a quart, but apparently today is the last day. My store happened to be out but they sold me a case and will get it for me tomorrow or the next day. Don -- From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Apr 4 15:14:45 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 16:14:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil on sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Don. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Marshall Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil on sale If you use Valvoline VR1 racing oil, Autozone has it on sale for $2.50 a quart, but apparently today is the last day. My store happened to be out but they sold me a case and will get it for me tomorrow or the next day. Don -- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Mon Apr 4 16:10:03 2011 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 22:10:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil on sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We had the same Autozone sale on VR1 out in Colorado a few weeks back. The store manager told me it was a mistake. I showed him the ad, the signs on the shelf, and then had to convince him that honoring the advertised price was the "right thing to do". It didn't ring up at the register, but he eventually gave it to me anyway. Great deal. Ty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Kramer, Robert" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 16:14:45 To: Don Marshall; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VR1 oil on sale Thanks Don. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Marshall Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil on sale If you use Valvoline VR1 racing oil, Autozone has it on sale for $2.50 a quart, but apparently today is the last day. My store happened to be out but they sold me a case and will get it for me tomorrow or the next day. Don -- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Apr 5 05:03:59 2011 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 07:03:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 4A Radiator Shroud Message-ID: FOT. I've had the pleasure to work with Richard Good over the last few months as he developed a SS Radiator Shroud for the TR4A. The finished product is very nice and I highly recommend it. As normally is the case it's made with care and quality materials. It's not yet listed in his paper catalog, maybe on the website, but an e-mail to Richard can get one in the mail to you. Website www.goodparts.com e-mail goodparts at verizon dot net JVV From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Apr 5 05:07:10 2011 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 07:07:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 4A Radiator Shroud Message-ID: I meant to also add that he's developed shrouds for the TR4 as well as the TR250 this winter. FOT. I've had the pleasure to work with Richard Good over the last few months as he developed a SS Radiator Shroud for the TR4A. The finished product is very nice and I highly recommend it. As normally is the case it's made with care and quality materials. It's not yet listed in his paper catalog, maybe on the website, but an e-mail to Richard can get one in the mail to you. Website www.goodparts.com e-mail goodparts at verizon dot net JVV From igofaster at att.net Tue Apr 5 09:55:58 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 08:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Richard Good @ goodparts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <628803.66372.qm@web180813.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello FoT... I too purchased some Good Parts from Richard Good. I cannot say enough about quality, fit, and design being perfect. Barbra and I have a 1971 TR6 that is pretty nice. I've been trying to get the dang proportion valve addressed from leaking and leaking and leaking. I had restored all the brake system last year and got side tracked with the GT6 race car. Back onto the TR6 I had ordered the Aadco sway bars from Moss a few years back and while the car was off the ground I installed the rear bar with little issues. The front sway bar needed to have holes re-drilled in the skid plate. I wasn't comfortable re-engineering the sway bar mounts. I had earlier purchased the air filter setup from goodparts.com and the radiator shroud. I had forgotten to order the air box set up for the stock Strombergs. With Richard on the phone, very kind and very patient, he stated a stock air box for the TR6 would have to be assembled. It was here in less than 10 days AND I ordered the front sway bar too. The dang engine bay looks pretty nice now, the goodparts stuff is stunning and very well engineered. The front sway bar is a work of art. I'm very happy and very pleased and will continue to use and recommend this quality guy with the quality stuff... No financial interest whatsoever.... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Jerry Van Vlack To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 6:03:59 AM Subject: [Fot] TR 4A Radiator Shroud FOT. I've had the pleasure to work with Richard Good over the last few months as he developed a SS Radiator Shroud for the TR4A. The finished product is very nice and I highly recommend it. As normally is the case it's made with care and quality materials. It's not yet listed in his paper catalog, maybe on the website, but an e-mail to Richard can get one in the mail to you. Website www.goodparts.com e-mail goodparts at verizon dot net JVV _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Wed Apr 6 14:59:18 2011 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 15:59:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: Afternoon members, Need a set of disc brake caliper cores for Ted @ TSI. I sent him 16PB caliper cores. He needs 16P. These are GT6, TR4 TR6 from what he told me. The difference between 16P and 16PB is the diameter of the pad retaining pins and holes. The 16P is the larger size pin while the 16PB is the smaller one. I am leaving for VIR and the VDCA race tomorrow. So if you got any 16P to trade fro 16PB's and or I will buy outright the 16P that Ted wants me to return. Beer bribery is available, brand of your choice. I will not be able to access e mail tomorrow so call me on my cell @ 615-347-0260 if you want to get me out of this jam. Thank as always!!! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From markvaden at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 15:14:38 2011 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 14:14:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr6 gearbox adapter bracket Message-ID: Does anyone have a TR6 gearbox mounting crossmember, adaptor, and bracket they would be willing to part with? Items 100-102 in the diagram from the following moss link: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=32713&SortOrder=109 Thanks, Mark From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat Apr 9 20:04:10 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:04:10 +1000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 bonnet query Message-ID: does anyone know if the Mk3 bonnet can be fitted to the earler model cars?? thanks, terry From spitlist at cox.net Sat Apr 9 20:30:08 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 19:30:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 bonnet query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D8C2BF1AA52407E9E8D1A8B7BF02B65@Vista> You'd have to change out the hinges since they varied between the three models, but I can't think of a reason that it would not otherwise fit. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 7:04 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] GT6 bonnet query does anyone know if the Mk3 bonnet can be fitted to the earler model cars?? thanks, terry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From herald948 at aol.com Sat Apr 9 20:29:07 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 22:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 bonnet query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDC53E316F5F87-1D48-6D676@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> Yes. It will line up with the older body just fine. You would need to use the hinge boxes on the front crossmember from the Mk3, as well as the quarter valences, etc. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Enquiries Road & Track To: fot Sent: Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:12 pm Subject: [Fot] GT6 bonnet query does anyone know if the Mk3 bonnet can be fitted to the earler model cars?? From spitlist at cox.net Sat Apr 9 23:21:39 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 22:21:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 Message-ID: <4961384C066345B2B91419E5C29F26D7@Vista> Anyone staying up to watch the Malaysia GP live? Joe C. From jason at multivintage.com Sat Apr 9 23:29:35 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 05:29:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] F1 Message-ID: 2 more hours. Jason friendly ghost racing gt6 ------Original Message------ From: Joe Curry Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] F1 Sent: Apr 10, 2011 12:21 AM Anyone staying up to watch the Malaysia GP live? Joe C. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From wes at hsrca.org.au Sat Apr 9 23:54:48 2011 From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:54:48 +1000 Subject: [Fot] F1 In-Reply-To: <4961384C066345B2B91419E5C29F26D7@Vista> Message-ID: At least a few of the F1 GPs take place at a "friendly" time for us Aussies. This one is at 6:00 Sydney time.Anyone welcome to "hop down" and join us in front of the telly. Wes Dayton p.s Go Mark Webber. On 10/04/11 3:21 PM, "Joe Curry" wrote: >Anyone staying up to watch the Malaysia GP live? > > > >Joe C. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wes at hsrca.org.au From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Sun Apr 10 01:27:06 2011 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 03:27:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] F1 In-Reply-To: <4961384C066345B2B91419E5C29F26D7@Vista> References: <4961384C066345B2B91419E5C29F26D7@Vista> Message-ID: > Anyone staying up to watch the Malaysia GP live? > > > > Joe C. Yeah. Been troubled with insomnia anyway, so... John H. From spitlist at cox.net Sun Apr 10 01:34:34 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:34:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 In-Reply-To: References: <4961384C066345B2B91419E5C29F26D7@Vista> Message-ID: <9FDD47FFCAC04FB9A43B70BDC23AA0CB@Vista> I hope this race won't cure your insomnia! Some of them have been rather boring. Rain in the forecast is promising. Joe C. _____ From: John Herrera [mailto:jrherrera90 at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 12:27 AM To: spitlist at cox.net; Friends of Triumph Subject: RE: [Fot] F1 > Anyone staying up to watch the Malaysia GP live? > > > > Joe C. Yeah. Been troubled with insomnia anyway, so... John H. From vintage.racer at comcast.net Sun Apr 10 20:17:53 2011 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 02:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 for sale Message-ID: <937228420.60669.1302488273776.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> 1962 TR4 vintage racecar for sale. Fully sorted, needs nothing, race ready. Have the car in time to enter the Kastner Cup event at Laguna Seca in June. Info/pictures 3tr67 at comcast.net From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sun Apr 10 21:39:35 2011 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:39:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2011 Kastner Cup entry deadline info / Posters References: <1A06FAD6-9FAF-42D9-8B59-6E53055FE012@stevebelfer.com> Message-ID: FOT, Many racers are planning on entering the Kastner Cup June 7-8 but have not sent in their entry. Most have a few races leading up to our big race and want to make sure their car is in good working order before writing the check for this event at Laguna Seca. The deadline for entries to be received for the race is May 23rd. The last day to receive a refund, should you choose to cancel your racing plans, is May 30th. I've reached out to many Triumph Clubs and received a very enthusiastic response. Many of them are printing our Kastner Cup flyer in their newsletters. Once again, if you need a copy of the entry form to print out, please send me a private email and I'll send it to you right away. With the help of Joe Alexander and the VTR, we have printed a bunch of Kastner Cup 2011 posters that I designed featuring John Nikas' historic Sebring TR4 in action. Please email me if you would like a poster (or several), along with your name, address, and vintage racing organization and help get your poster(s) to you. The first one is a freebie but we may need to charge a buck or two for extras to recoup printing costs. ~Steve Belfer colordog.1 at earthlink.net From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Mon Apr 11 07:02:26 2011 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 9:02:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Good Buy for Koni shocks TR2,3,4 Message-ID: <20110411130226.GDV4G.24365.root@cdptpa-web10-z01> A really good buy can be had for Koni shocks for the TR2,3,4. $84.00 per shock. Use the link below. http://www.soloperformance.com/Koni-80-1005_p_530.html Bob From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Wed Apr 13 10:24:54 2011 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 11:24:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stuff that needs a home -- I need engine money!!!!!!!! Message-ID: Members, Here's a list of some goodies that I have that need a new home: - Spitfire 1300/1500 "GOODE Parts" brand new never used roller rocker assembly News sells for 550.00. Sell for 475.00! - Spitfire 1300/1500 Complete Cannon intake manifold with 45 Webber and linkage. Was running Great on my race Spit Race car when removed $450.00 - Triumph1300 JE Forged pistons 0.030 over used but in excellent condition with Pins and locks Set of 4 $150.00 - Pertronix Second Strike electronic ignition box with built in rev limiter, like new with manuals etc etc (Basically like a MSD system) $175.00. New ones sell for $320-350.00! - Carrillo Triumph 1300 connecting rods, set of 4 used but excellent condition $450.00. I have pics of these parts if you need to see them, just e mail me. I am not a fan of Pay Pal as the fees kill a lot of the dollars. Most of you know of me or at least know who I am so I prefer checks that can clear the bank and then I will ship the items. You will get the parts and they are as described. Hey I'll be at Atlanta for the Mitty the 28/29/30 of April so I can deliver them there if you want. Questions are fine, offers if reasonable will be considered as well thanks!! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From brad.kahler at 141.com Wed Apr 13 11:06:36 2011 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:06:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New spitfire camshaft blanks Message-ID: Amici, Anyone know if new camshaft blanks are available for the 1300 spitfire engines? Thanks, Brad From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Apr 13 17:19:25 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:19:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] OD in a spit Message-ID: <307ECFEE-8496-42A8-BF6D-460FBBF8EA0B@aol.com> I have a chance to get a bunch of spit parts. One of the most important is an OD unit. The car is a 1974 91cc engine. My question is what type of OD unit is in it? Is there any other parts that anyone else is interested in? From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Wed Apr 13 17:51:37 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:51:37 EDT Subject: [Fot] OD in a spit Message-ID: <95af4.18bf720f.3ad79109@aol.com> I believe it is a D type. Sam In a message dated 4/13/2011 6:39:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, SeaCubeCo at aol.com writes: I have a chance to get a bunch of spit parts. One of the most important is an OD unit. The car is a 1974 91cc engine. My question is what type of OD unit is in it? Is there any other parts that anyone else is interested in? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Apr 13 18:21:01 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:21:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners Message-ID: I was eying my buddies ultrasonic cleaner in his garage over the weekend. Thinking hmmm that's probably big enough to drop my carbs still attached to the manifold into. Pull the dash pots and fuel bowl covers off and submerge. Good idea? bad idea? Going to do any damage? Marty From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Wed Apr 13 19:33:01 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:33:01 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners Message-ID: <99b7c.77fa19d3.3ad7a8cd@aol.com> Only if you think clean is damage. Should work pretty well. Sam In a message dated 4/13/2011 7:42:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, trmarty at hotmail.com writes: I was eying my buddies ultrasonic cleaner in his garage over the weekend. Thinking hmmm that's probably big enough to drop my carbs still attached to the manifold into. Pull the dash pots and fuel bowl covers off and submerge. Good idea? bad idea? Going to do any damage? Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From fpspitfire at comcast.net Wed Apr 13 21:09:38 2011 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 03:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners In-Reply-To: <99b7c.77fa19d3.3ad7a8cd@aol.com> Message-ID: <301303448.3755398.1302750578239.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I remember when we removed the TriChlor tanks at work and replaced with the ultrasonic cleaners...it was horrible.B You could just drop parts into the trichlor and they came out warm, dry and grease free.B B with the ultrasonic tanks it takes a bit longer, and you need to make sure there is a rust inhibitor in the rinse tank. We do not allow ultrasonic on some components at work, primarily assemblies because the ultrasonic cause the parts have high frequency impacts and can cause damage.B With a carb set, it might not be that big a deal and ultrasonic will do a nice job in cleaning.B If you are going to use on steels, rust inhibitor is a must or you will get corrosion almost as quick as you take it out of the tank. aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com To: trmarty at hotmail.com, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, 13 April, 2011 9:33:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners Only if you think clean is damage. B Should work pretty well. B Sam B B In a message dated 4/13/2011 7:42:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, B trmarty at hotmail.com writes: I was B eying my buddies ultrasonic cleaner in his garage over the B weekend. Thinking hmmm that's probably big enough to drop my carbs still B attached to the manifold into. B Pull the dash pots and fuel bowl B covers off and submerge. Good idea? bad idea? Going to do any B damage? Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: B http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: B http://www.team.net/archive Forums: B http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: B http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fpspitfire at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Wed Apr 13 21:59:17 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:59:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners References: <301303448.3755398.1302750578239.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <539563D9EEF64A34B1A503711F463295@Bud> what about denatured alcohol for cleaning? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners >I remember when we removed the TriChlor tanks at work and replaced with the > ultrasonic cleaners...it was horrible.B You could just drop parts into > the > trichlor and they came out warm, dry and grease free.B B with the > ultrasonic > tanks it takes a bit longer, and you need to make sure there is a rust > inhibitor in the rinse tank. > > > > We do not allow ultrasonic on some components at work, primarily > assemblies > because the ultrasonic cause the parts have high frequency impacts and can > cause damage.B > > > > With a carb set, it might not be that big a deal and ultrasonic will do a > nice > job in cleaning.B > > > > If you are going to use on steels, rust inhibitor is a must or you will > get > corrosion almost as quick as you take it out of the tank. > > > > aaron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com > To: trmarty at hotmail.com, fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, 13 April, 2011 9:33:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners > > Only if you think clean is damage. B Should work pretty well. > B > Sam > B > B > In a message dated 4/13/2011 7:42:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, B > trmarty at hotmail.com writes: > > I was B eying my buddies ultrasonic cleaner in his garage over the B > weekend. > Thinking hmmm that's probably big enough to drop my carbs still B attached > to > the manifold into. B Pull the dash pots and fuel bowl B covers off and > submerge. > Good idea? bad idea? Going to do any B damage? > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: B http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: B http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: B http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: B http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fpspitfire at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Apr 13 22:00:28 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:00:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <057b01cbfa58$7de72f00$0301a8c0@randall> > Good idea? bad idea? Going to do any damage? Won't hurt the carbs unless there is a very aggressive solvent in there. But you might want to double-check with your buddy first. Many years ago, a friend of mine tried to clean some brake shoes in an ultrasonic bath where we both worked night shift. It ruined not only the shoes (by dissolving the bonding to the lining), but all of the parts they made the next day turned out bad! I wonder why? -- Randall From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Apr 14 10:22:46 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:22:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] REAR SEAL FOR CRANK-SCROLL GROUND OFF -NEEDED Message-ID: <8CDC8D7534518E9-1758-90CA@webmail-d007.sysops.aol.com> FOT, We are installing a billet crank that happens to be modified for a lip seal. Does anyone have one not in use and available for sale? Getting ready for Laguna Seca....... :-) Thanks....could trade for the superior new MAD MARX seal kit. Joe A. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Apr 14 11:24:48 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:24:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ballasted ignitions Message-ID: I'm hoping the knowledgeable folks on this list can help me figure out a problem on our Lemon's TR6. We built the car out of a pile of scrap so we have pretty basic stock stuff. We are running a stock distributor, points, condenser, new cap, new upgraded wires, stock type non ballasted coil. We made up a simple wiring harness and I felt that it was important to ballast the ignition circuit, so I used a Mallory resistor in line to the coil. The engine runs extremely well up to about 5 grand and then starts spitting and coughing. We have tried various timing settings yet we can't get it to run as well as my stock TR6 in the high ranges. There is a chance that the cam isn't timed right as we didn't touch that part of the engine. We have plenty of fuel pressure too. Could the ballast be causing this malady? I use the same setup in my racecar, but with a much better coil and a Mallory distributor. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell From billb at bnj.com Thu Apr 14 12:16:10 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:16:10 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Ballasted ignitions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B6E8727-E359-4EB3-8691-F2E5D4BEE74D@bnj.com> Check the runout in the distributor--nothing fancy, just wiggle the shaft with the rotor off. Put a good timing light on the thing and rev it to the point it starts to miss. You'll probably see light start to get irregular if it's a spark problem. Check your condensor--common problem these days, they all suck. A condenser with the enamel cleaned off and the grounding lug soldered to the case and a ten buck coil might fix everything. I dimly recall a quick and dirty cam timing check that uses overlap, but if the engine starts and runs your cam timing probably isn't too bad. On Apr 14, 2011, at 7:24 AM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > I'm hoping the knowledgeable folks on this list can help me figure out a > problem on our Lemon's TR6. We built the car out of a pile of scrap so we have > pretty basic stock stuff. We are running a stock distributor, points, > condenser, new cap, new upgraded wires, stock type non ballasted coil. We made > up a simple wiring harness and I felt that it was important to ballast the > ignition circuit, so I used a Mallory resistor in line to the coil. The engine > runs extremely well up to about 5 grand and then starts spitting and coughing. > We have tried various timing settings yet we can't get it to run as well as my > stock TR6 in the high ranges. There is a chance that the cam isn't timed right > as we didn't touch that part of the engine. We have plenty of fuel pressure > too. Could the ballast be causing this malady? I use the same setup in my > racecar, but with a much better coil and a Mallory distributor. > > Bob Kramer > Texas Rental Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-687-7422 Office > 512-657-8526 Cell > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From jfrymark at aol.com Thu Apr 14 14:26:13 2011 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:26:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic cleaners Message-ID: <4285FD4E-CC11-4B5A-B21A-295BB92D8006@aol.com> I ran a business building and selling industrial ultrasonic cleaners and the very best automotive applications were for carbs and auto transmissions (no greasy dirt). The key is time and temp. Optimal temp is 185*F and time depends on the material: soft metals go shorter duration. CA EPA aside, we never advised using solvents, only aqueous based cleaners (Brulin makes some exceptional products) followed by a thorough rinse and dry. NFI. John Frymark From jason at multivintage.com Thu Apr 14 15:05:00 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:05:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] gasket works Message-ID: Need to order some new gaskets for my GT6... Mordy I'm told you are the man with the product. Can you please email a product selection and prices. Thank you Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 From REK46 at aol.com Thu Apr 14 16:04:58 2011 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 18:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] gasket works Message-ID: <2144e.68dbd483.3ad8c98a@aol.com> and if you also have Spitfire ones, please add In a message dated 4/14/2011 5:31:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jason at multivintage.com writes: Need to order some new gaskets for my GT6... Mordy I'm told you are the man with the product. Can you please email a product selection and prices. Thank you Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Apr 14 16:41:20 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 22:41:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] gasket works Message-ID: <1641759383-1302820882-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1179645471-@bda712.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Stock thickness .o32 and stock bore sizes are sold though moss. Any other thickness or bore through me. M ------Original Message------ From: REK46 at aol.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: jason at multivintage.com To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] gasket works Sent: Apr 14, 2011 3:04 PM and if you also have Spitfire ones, please add In a message dated 4/14/2011 5:31:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jason at multivintage.com writes: Need to order some new gaskets for my GT6... Mordy I'm told you are the man with the product. Can you please email a product selection and prices. Thank you Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu Apr 14 18:05:43 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:05:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 63 spit parts Message-ID: <3D7C808A-4E99-4821-917D-C81A9B6069C4@aol.com> Amici A friend needs help locating body parts Bonnet Left rear quarter panel Rear valence We are located on the eastern shore of Maryland Thanks From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Apr 14 18:14:49 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:14:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire clutch slave cylinder travel? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E7374D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Anybody have an idea of the proper/necessary distance for the travel of the clutch slave cylinder rod? How far should the rod move to fully disengage the clutch? From budscars at comcast.net Thu Apr 14 19:17:32 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 18:17:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire clutch slave cylinder travel? References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E7374D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <7A6624691D1F4882BBADA54D27DFBE0B@Bud> Scott..a stock rod is fine...If you have gone to a different clutch disc, you may need small spacers(washers) between the pressure plate and the flywheel...1/4" washer makes a Huge difference..that's what I have on my Spitfire.(I went thru the whole deal of thinking i needed a different length rod) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 5:14 PM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire clutch slave cylinder travel? > Anybody have an idea of the proper/necessary distance for the travel of > the clutch slave cylinder rod? How far should the rod move to fully > disengage the clutch? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From jfrymark at aol.com Thu Apr 14 19:40:14 2011 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 18:40:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic cleaners In-Reply-To: References: <4285FD4E-CC11-4B5A-B21A-295BB92D8006@aol.com> Message-ID: <817A0578-46F4-46E2-A04A-323EF969132B@aol.com> Marty, Seals and gaskets should be fine. Ultrasound really only works on "hard" surfaces. The sonic waves are just absorbed by soft surfaces. As long as the heat isn't a problem, seals should OK. I once cleaned Wheels with the tires mounted in a big cleaner. It worked great! John On Apr 14, 2011, at 5:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: > Thanks for the feedback John. I had not planned on doing a rebuild, > just cleaning off the ugly stuff. What do you think the cleaner > would do to the shaft seals and gaskets? > > Marty > > > From: jfrymark at aol.com > > To: trmarty at hotmail.com > > Subject: Ultrasonic cleaners > > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:26:13 -0700 > > CC: fot at autox.team.net > > > > I ran a business building and selling industrial ultrasonic cleaners > > and the very best automotive applications were for carbs and auto > > transmissions (no greasy dirt). The key is time and temp. Optimal > temp > > is 185*F and time depends on the material: soft metals go shorter > > duration. CA EPA aside, we never advised using solvents, only > aqueous > > based cleaners (Brulin makes some exceptional products) followed > by a > > thorough rinse and dry. NFI. > > > > John Frymark From billdentin at aol.com Thu Apr 14 20:02:34 2011 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 22:02:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic cleaners In-Reply-To: <817A0578-46F4-46E2-A04A-323EF969132B@aol.com> References: <4285FD4E-CC11-4B5A-B21A-295BB92D8006@aol.com> <817A0578-46F4-46E2-A04A-323EF969132B@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDC928525EA5F6-884-11D1C@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com> Amici... I am absolutely fascinated by all this info on Ultrasonic Cleaners. Of course my only first hand experience is for my dentures. True story. Bill (Damdinger) From ac at camoletti.ch Fri Apr 15 03:20:34 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:20:34 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic cleaners In-Reply-To: <8CDC928525EA5F6-884-11D1C@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com> References: <4285FD4E-CC11-4B5A-B21A-295BB92D8006@aol.com> <817A0578-46F4-46E2-A04A-323EF969132B@aol.com> <8CDC928525EA5F6-884-11D1C@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001801cbfb4e$60915830$21b40890$@camoletti.ch> Amici, indeed great info collected here! But for the ultrasonic newbie like me, what should I buy (reasonable budget) as cleaner and liquid to get started (size of tank should be approx. 10'') There are several on ebay, but I suspect most are crap? Thank you for your advice! Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de billdentin at aol.com Envoyi : vendredi 15 avril 2011 04:03 @ : jfrymark at aol.com; trmarty at hotmail.com Cc : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] Ultrasonic cleaners Amici... I am absolutely fascinated by all this info on Ultrasonic Cleaners. Of course my only first hand experience is for my dentures. True story. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Apr 15 05:55:33 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:55:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] REAR SCROLL LIP SEAL.......SEVERAL AVAILABLE. Message-ID: <8CDC97B28B8673F-BA4-1E595@webmail-m126.sysops.aol.com> Thanks to all who responded....I have one on the way. There are several used and new available for crankshafts that have been modified by removing the scroll feature. If any FOT needs a kit. Joe A From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Apr 15 11:30:10 2011 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:30:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic cleaners In-Reply-To: <001801cbfb4e$60915830$21b40890$@camoletti.ch> References: <4285FD4E-CC11-4B5A-B21A-295BB92D8006@aol.com> <817A0578-46F4-46E2-A04A-323EF969132B@aol.com> <8CDC928525EA5F6-884-11D1C@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com> <001801cbfb4e$60915830$21b40890$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: Alexandre, There are now a lot of very inexpensive ultrasonic cleaners on the market. I consider these best suited for at home jewerly cleaning (and dentures!). For the garage, look for one with a built in heater, timer, and stainless steel tank. There are good benchtop units made by Crest for small parts. For reference, see: http://www.crest-ultrasonics.com/powersonic-benchtop-cleaners.html Speedway Motors in the US has a heated Crest unit for about $340. John On Apr 15, 2011, at 2:20 AM, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: > Amici, indeed great info collected here! > But for the ultrasonic newbie like me, what should I buy (reasonable > budget) > as cleaner and liquid to get started (size of tank should be approx. > 10'') > There are several on ebay, but I suspect most are crap? > Thank you for your advice! > Cheers! > Alex > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > De la > part de billdentin at aol.com > Envoyi : vendredi 15 avril 2011 04:03 > @ : jfrymark at aol.com; trmarty at hotmail.com > Cc : fot at autox.team.net > Objet : Re: [Fot] Ultrasonic cleaners > > Amici... > > I am absolutely fascinated by all this info on Ultrasonic Cleaners. > > Of course my only first hand experience is for my dentures. > > True story. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From cofrog at q.com Fri Apr 15 12:45:47 2011 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Coil Resistance In-Reply-To: <210520951.229366.1302893084305.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <521553293.229397.1302893147706.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> I'm confused (again).B What coil resistance do I use with a Pertronix LU142A B Ignition?B I have two different cars and two different B setups.B A street TR4 which has the 1.5 ohm internal ballasted B coil and a TR4A racer with am external B ballast and a B 3 ohm coil.B Both are negative ground.B Some folks on the web say use only a 3 ohm coil (unballasted?) with the Pertronix.B It appears my coil shot craps on the street car and took out the I gnitor.B So I'm double checking what resistance coil is proper. I want to give kudos to Marvin at Pertronix who replaced the toasted LU142A eventhough it was out of warranty by a few weeks.B Thanks, Dan From cofrog at q.com Fri Apr 15 13:20:02 2011 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 15:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Bees? In-Reply-To: <521553293.229397.1302893147706.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <76544409.231302.1302895202105.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> I don't know where all the "B"s came from. My ISP (Qwest) changed my e-mail and it sucks! Sorry the email was hard to read. ----- Original Message ----- From: cofrog at q.com To: "triumph fot" , "triumph" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:45:47 PM Subject: [Fot] Coil Resistance I'm confused (again).B What coil resistance do I use with a Pertronix LU142A B Ignition?B I have two different cars and two different B setups.B A street TR4 which has the 1.5 ohm internal ballasted B coil and a TR4A racer with am external B ballast and a B 3 ohm coil.B Both are negative ground.B Some folks on the web say use only a 3 ohm coil (unballasted?) with the Pertronix.B It appears my coil shot craps on the street car and took out the I gnitor.B So I'm double checking what resistance coil is proper. I want to give kudos to Marvin at Pertronix who replaced the toasted LU142A eventhough it was out of warranty by a few weeks.B Thanks, Dan _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Apr 15 13:42:59 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:42:59 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Coil Resistance In-Reply-To: <521553293.229397.1302893147706.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <210520951.229366.1302893084305.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> <521553293.229397.1302893147706.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <000d01cbfba5$5538ea00$ffaabe00$@com> Pertronix likes 3 ohm. It doesn't care if you run a 1,5 ohm coil with a 1,5 ohm resistor or just a 3 ohm coil. Only 3 ohm. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von cofrog at q.com Gesendet: Freitag, 15. April 2011 20:46 An: triumph fot; triumph Betreff: [Fot] Coil Resistance I'm confused (again).B What coil resistance do I use with a Pertronix LU142A B Ignition?B I have two different cars and two different B setups.B A street TR4 which has the 1.5 ohm internal ballasted B coil and a TR4A racer with am external B ballast and a B 3 ohm coil.B Both are negative ground.B Some folks on the web say use only a 3 ohm coil (unballasted?) with the Pertronix.B It appears my coil shot craps on the street car and took out the I gnitor.B So I'm double checking what resistance coil is proper. I want to give kudos to Marvin at Pertronix who replaced the toasted LU142A eventhough it was out of warranty by a few weeks.B Thanks, Dan _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Apr 15 14:44:02 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:44:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Coil Resistance In-Reply-To: <000d01cbfba5$5538ea00$ffaabe00$@com> References: <210520951.229366.1302893084305.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> <521553293.229397.1302893147706.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> <000d01cbfba5$5538ea00$ffaabe00$@com> Message-ID: <030001cbfbad$dae42590$90ac70b0$@rr.com> > Pertronix likes 3 ohm. > It doesn't care if you run a 1,5 ohm coil with a 1,5 ohm resistor or > just a 3 ohm coil. > Only 3 ohm. I agree. Total has to be (approximately) 3 ohms, doesn't matter if it's a 3 ohm coil, or a 1.5 ohm coil plus a ballast resistor. Other combinations may appear to work at first, but risk burning out the module (1.5 ohm with no ballast), or producing high speed misfire (3 ohm plus a ballast). Note that the red wire to the module needs to get full 12v, it can't be to the coil if you are using a ballast between there and the switch. -- Randall From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Apr 15 15:14:36 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:14:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Coil Resistance In-Reply-To: <030001cbfbad$dae42590$90ac70b0$@rr.com> References: <210520951.229366.1302893084305.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com><521553293.229397.1302893147706.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com><000d01cbfba5$5538ea00$ffaabe00$@com> <030001cbfbad$dae42590$90ac70b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E73773@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << Note that the red wire to the module needs to get full 12v, it can't be to the coil if you are using a ballast between there and the switch.>> Sorry - between *where* and the switch? Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:44 PM To: 'triumph fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Resistance > Pertronix likes 3 ohm. > It doesn't care if you run a 1,5 ohm coil with a 1,5 ohm resistor or > just a 3 ohm coil. > Only 3 ohm. I agree. Total has to be (approximately) 3 ohms, doesn't matter if it's a 3 ohm coil, or a 1.5 ohm coil plus a ballast resistor. Other combinations may appear to work at first, but risk burning out the module (1.5 ohm with no ballast), or producing high speed misfire (3 ohm plus a ballast). Note that the red wire to the module needs to get full 12v, it can't be to the coil if you are using a ballast between there and the switch. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From pcdelux at verizon.net Sat Apr 16 09:35:25 2011 From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 11:35:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Coil Resistance References: <210520951.229366.1302893084305.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com><521553293.229397.1302893147706.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com><000d01cbfba5$5538ea00$ffaabe00$@com> <030001cbfbad$dae42590$90ac70b0$@rr.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E73773@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <003101cbfc4b$e86e4a80$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0> Scott, The power to the ignitor module red wire needs 12v. Not 12v fed thru a ballast which is no longer 12v. Run power from ign switch direct to coil(3ohm) or, run power from ign switch to ballast. From that same ballast terminal run power to module red wire. Run wire from other ballast terminal to ign coil (1.5ohm). Provided the ballast is also 1.5 ohm giving you 3ohm total resistance. Too low total coil circuit resistance overloads the ignitor module and shortens its life. Too high coil circuit resistance,say a 3ohm coil with a 1.5 ballast lowers the available current and can cause misfiring. Not all ignition systems are the same..you need to match the total circuit resistance to it's needs. I believe even different model ignitors could get away with lower or higher total coil circuit resistance. It should say in the instruction sheet. Hope this helps, Bill DeWar NJTA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: "Randall" ; "triumph fot" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Resistance > << Note that the red wire to the module needs to get full 12v, it can't > be to the coil if you are using a ballast between there and the > switch.>> > > Sorry - between *where* and the switch? > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Randall > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:44 PM > To: 'triumph fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Resistance > > > Pertronix likes 3 ohm. > > It doesn't care if you run a 1,5 ohm coil with a 1,5 ohm resistor or > > just a 3 ohm coil. > > Only 3 ohm. > > I agree. Total has to be (approximately) 3 ohms, doesn't matter if it's > a 3 > ohm coil, or a 1.5 ohm coil plus a ballast resistor. > Other combinations may appear to work at first, but risk burning out the > module (1.5 ohm with no ballast), or producing high speed misfire (3 ohm > plus a ballast). > > Note that the red wire to the module needs to get full 12v, it can't be > to > the coil if you are using a ballast between there and the switch. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux at verizon.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Apr 17 10:54:47 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:54:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Dick Stockton at Watkins Glen Message-ID: <2c2e2.7629fd1d.3adc7557@aol.com> Here's a video you guys might enjoy.... _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o) From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Apr 17 11:56:14 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:56:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] Dick Stockton at Watkins Glen Message-ID: <2e1ac.65cb3eb8.3adc83be@aol.com> Well Yeah, At 75 years young he's had time to learn some things... In a message dated 4/17/2011 10:11:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: Here's a video you guys might enjoy.... _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From kaskas at cox.net Sun Apr 17 12:19:16 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:19:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Dick Stockton at Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <2e1ac.65cb3eb8.3adc83be@aol.com> Message-ID: <20110417141916.9G1MP.153773.imail@fed1rmwml39> I've know Dick and seen him race for about 50 years I guess and he always been fast. He was the fastest driver in the first practice at Riverside Raceway at the first Runnoffs 1964 event and surprised everyone. (me too).He was also a GREAT engine builder. During the Competition Dept days he was the only East fellow with an engine dyno. He and his mother used to run his repair shop and made excellent powerful engines. I see that he still knows how to make the power. Good guy too. ---- Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: Well Yeah, At 75 years young he's had time to learn some things... In a message dated 4/17/2011 10:11:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: Here's a video you guys might enjoy.... _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From kaskas at cox.net Sun Apr 17 12:19:27 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:19:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Dick Stockton at Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <2e1ac.65cb3eb8.3adc83be@aol.com> Message-ID: <20110417141927.6NPDD.153777.imail@fed1rmwml39> I've know Dick and seen him race for about 50 years I guess and he always been fast. He was the fastest driver in the first practice at Riverside Raceway at the first Runnoffs 1964 event and surprised everyone. (me too).He was also a GREAT engine builder. During the Competition Dept days he was the only East fellow with an engine dyno. He and his mother used to run his repair shop and made excellent powerful engines. I see that he still knows how to make the power. Good guy too. ---- Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: Well Yeah, At 75 years young he's had time to learn some things... In a message dated 4/17/2011 10:11:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: Here's a video you guys might enjoy.... _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From mini at wi.rr.com Sun Apr 17 22:08:20 2011 From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 23:08:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ballasted ignitions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DABB934.5060004@wi.rr.com> Some TR6's had a resistance wire (pink and white) to the coil. Be sure that you are not doubling up on the resistance, that could cause this problem. Richard Gehweiler Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd. On 4/14/2011 12:24 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > I'm hoping the knowledgeable folks on this list can help me figure out a > problem on our Lemon's TR6. We built the car out of a pile of scrap so we have > pretty basic stock stuff. We are running a stock distributor, points, > condenser, new cap, new upgraded wires, stock type non ballasted coil. We made > up a simple wiring harness and I felt that it was important to ballast the > ignition circuit, so I used a Mallory resistor in line to the coil. The engine > runs extremely well up to about 5 grand and then starts spitting and coughing. > We have tried various timing settings yet we can't get it to run as well as my > stock TR6 in the high ranges. There is a chance that the cam isn't timed right > as we didn't touch that part of the engine. We have plenty of fuel pressure > too. Could the ballast be causing this malady? I use the same setup in my > racecar, but with a much better coil and a Mallory distributor. > > Bob Kramer > Texas Rental Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-687-7422 Office > 512-657-8526 Cell > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mini at wi.rr.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Mon Apr 18 04:16:42 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:16:42 +1000 Subject: [Fot] chasing NARDI steering wheel boss Message-ID: can anyone help me with a steering wheel boss/adaptor (with or without horn button) to fit a NARDI wheel onto a TR6? thanks, Terry From igofaster at att.net Mon Apr 18 07:57:44 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 06:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] shiny bits and pieces in the oil canister Message-ID: <92758.32011.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I ran Hallett last week with CVAR and was finally rewarded with placing 13 starting position, with Herb Hilton on my right and P.D. Sohn on my left. These guys are both very good drivers with very well prepared cars. I thought for a moment the skies opened up and I saw little angels. I highlight of my brief racing career. Later in the session (I finished 15th out of 29) that little red lamp on the dash started flickering. It was the cool down lap so I did my best to just coast into my garage space. Low oil pressure and higher oil temperature seemed to be the way the car was running. It was the first time I've used multi-viscosity oil and I think THAT was a mistake to start off with. I have a Canton external oil filter and after draining the oil with bits and pieces on the drain plug, the oil canister revealed shiny bits and pieces in the canister. Yesterday was the initial 'get the engine out of the car' mode. Today is the transmission and I should have the engine out. I saw some discussion about this a few weeks back about the Accusump and oil cooler and what the process is of removing the particles from these. Can someone remind me or is there a way to research this in the FoT thread of past? The GT6 holds about 8 quarts of oil in all my oil lines, filter, and Accusump. I've got a race at Eagles Canyon in May I've got my sites on. FoT Forever! Bobby Whitehead From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Apr 18 15:45:35 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 17:45:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LAGUNA SECA 9TH RUNNING OF THE KASTNER CUP.....A BRILLIANT POSTER Message-ID: <8CDCC2915B50574-14F0-66C86@webmail-m128.sysops.aol.com> FOT, This the 9th running of the Kastner Cup since Kas initiated the series with the FOT. This year marks the 3rd year that VTR and FOT have joined hands in the production of a commemorative poster honoring the Kastner Cup Event and venue. Blake Discher, president of the VTR, has permission to fund the poster and VTR'S Joe Pawlak's company has produced them at his cost. This year, Steve Belfer provided the artwork and layout and it features one of Kastner's Sebring TR4s owned by John Nikas. The DRIVERS, VTR MEMBERS, and VIP GUESTS will be recipients of the posters. Additional posters will be distributed at a very small cost, plus mailing tube and postage as necessary. Break even on this project is all that is sought. We will be having a number of VTR guests joining us at Laguna Seca. It is a good relationship and from time to time we pick up a new TRIUMPH VINTAGE RACER FROM THESE RANKS. Many of the FOT are members already and several are on the Board of Directors. FOT listers should consider membership in VTR. The VTR magazine features the FOT several times a year with articles and pictures. SUPPORT the VTR with YOUR membership. Finally, thanks to all who do the work that adds substance and style to the FOT. Joe A. From deweerdm at rogers.com Mon Apr 18 16:52:16 2011 From: deweerdm at rogers.com (MIKE DEWEERD) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <474815.70939.qm@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From mark at bradakis.com Mon Apr 18 21:14:56 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:14:56 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Well, shucks Message-ID: <20110419031456.165782E0D1@bradakis.com> That wasn't nice. Had a series of power bumps here at the house over the weekend that messed with my computers, like the main Team.Net server. That old Dell had been rock solid reliable, with an uptime of over 425 days. Oh well. Of course my computer troubles are nothing at all compared to the tornado havoc over the weekend. Hopefully no listers were seriously affected. I still remember what damage can be done by twisters from my years in the Midwest. When I did get the machines back up and running again a few things didn't quite work out, some software failed to start as it should. So you may have noticed no Team.Net email for a while. I was at work all day so I didn't notice until this evening. Sorry. We should be back in business now, though. Perhaps last week when I posted about 20 years of Team.Net I should have put in a pitch for some donations to acquire some newer, more stable hardware ( bigger UPS ) and some upgraded software. I certainly did recieve some donations, will hopefully get around to thanking folks in a day or two. So if you have a few bucks laying around and feel like helping to keep this Team.Net experiment around for another 20 years, feel free to visit http://www.team.net/donate.html - wait, I better update that file, the FAX machine is printing blank faxes, another bit of hardware I'll likely have to replace. Computers can be so much fun. Anyway, Team.Net email, forums and web pages should all be back to mostly normal, thank you for your patience. mjb. From billb at bnj.com Tue Apr 19 00:13:50 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 23:13:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] shiny bits and pieces in the oil canister In-Reply-To: <92758.32011.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <92758.32011.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20AFE675-E4B5-49E9-BF92-919BA18183DD@bnj.com> the accusump you can take apart and clean. the oil cooler is junk, unless it's after the oil filter. On Apr 18, 2011, at 6:57 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I ran Hallett last week with CVAR and was finally rewarded with placing 13 > starting position, with Herb Hilton on my right and P.D. Sohn on my left. These > guys are both very good drivers with very well prepared cars. I thought for a > moment the skies opened up and I saw little angels. I highlight of my brief > racing career. > > Later in the session (I finished 15th out of 29) that little red lamp on the > dash started flickering. It was the cool down lap so I did my best to just coast > into my garage space. > Low oil pressure and higher oil temperature seemed to be the way the car was > running. It was the first time I've used multi-viscosity oil and I think THAT > was a mistake to start off with. > I have a Canton external oil filter and after draining the oil with bits and > pieces on the drain plug, the oil canister revealed shiny bits and pieces in the > canister. > > Yesterday was the initial 'get the engine out of the car' mode. Today is the > transmission and I should have the engine out. > I saw some discussion about this a few weeks back about the Accusump and oil > cooler and what the process is of removing the particles from these. Can someone > remind me or is there a way to research this in the FoT thread of past? > The GT6 holds about 8 quarts of oil in all my oil lines, filter, and Accusump. > I've got a race at Eagles Canyon in May I've got my sites on. > > FoT Forever! > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From andre at gt6.ca Tue Apr 19 05:52:30 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 07:52:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] shiny bits and pieces in the oil canister In-Reply-To: <92758.32011.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <92758.32011.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yeah the Accusump does come apart, but I wonder if its better to replace it or have to cleaned by the manufacture? Good luck. A. On 18 April 2011 09:57, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I ran Hallett last week with CVAR and was finally rewarded with placing 13 > starting position, with Herb Hilton on my right and P.D. Sohn on my left. These > guys are both very good drivers with very well prepared cars. I thought for a > moment the skies opened up and I saw little angels. I highlight of my brief > racing career. > > Later in the session (I finished 15th out of 29) that little red lamp on the > dash started flickering. It was the cool down lap so I did my best to just coast > into my garage space. > Low oil pressure and higher oil temperature seemed to be the way the car was > running. It was the first time I've used multi-viscosity oil and I think THAT > was a mistake to start off with. > I have a Canton external oil filter and after draining the oil with bits and > pieces on the drain plug, the oil canister revealed shiny bits and pieces in the > canister. > > Yesterday was the initial 'get the engine out of the car' mode. Today is the > transmission and I should have the engine out. > I saw some discussion about this a few weeks back about the Accusump and oil > cooler and what the process is of removing the particles from these. Can someone > remind me or is there a way to research this in the FoT thread of past? > The GT6 holds about 8 quarts of oil in all my oil lines, filter, and Accusump. > I've got a race at Eagles Canyon in May I've got my sites on. > > FoT Forever! > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Apr 19 06:41:26 2011 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:41:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] shiny bits and pieces in the oil canister In-Reply-To: References: <92758.32011.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301cbfe8f$19164760$4b42d620$@rr.com> I sent mine in and had it "redone" by the factory a few years ago. Worked out great and far less expensive than a new one. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:53 AM To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] shiny bits and pieces in the oil canister Yeah the Accusump does come apart, but I wonder if its better to replace it or have to cleaned by the manufacture? Good luck. A. On 18 April 2011 09:57, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I ran Hallett last week with CVAR and was finally rewarded with placing 13 > starting position, with Herb Hilton on my right and P.D. Sohn on my left. These > guys are both very good drivers with very well prepared cars. I thought for a > moment the skies opened up and I saw little angels. I highlight of my brief > racing career. > > Later in the session (I finished 15th out of 29) that little red lamp on the > dash started flickering. It was the cool down lap so I did my best to just coast > into my garage space. > Low oil pressure and higher oil temperature seemed to be the way the car was > running. It was the first time I've used multi-viscosity oil and I think THAT > was a mistake to start off with. > I have a Canton external oil filter and after draining the oil with bits and > pieces on the drain plug, the oil canister revealed shiny bits and pieces in the > canister. > > Yesterday was the initial 'get the engine out of the car' mode. Today is the > transmission and I should have the engine out. > I saw some discussion about this a few weeks back about the Accusump and oil > cooler and what the process is of removing the particles from these. Can someone > remind me or is there a way to research this in the FoT thread of past? > The GT6 holds about 8 quarts of oil in all my oil lines, filter, and Accusump. > I've got a race at Eagles Canyon in May I've got my sites on. > > FoT Forever! > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue Apr 19 15:05:12 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:05:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Accusump In-Reply-To: <000301cbfe8f$19164760$4b42d620$@rr.com> References: <92758.32011.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <000301cbfe8f$19164760$4b42d620$@rr.com> Message-ID: I just sent mine back to them - it's at least 15 years old - and they rebuilt it for $35, plus $7 for a new gauge because the glass was cracked. Turned it around in 3 days, too! I don't know how they make money on this, but what a great service. On Apr 19, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Spitfire Racing wrote: I sent mine in and had it "redone" by the factory a few years ago. Worked out great and far less expensive than a new one. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:53 AM To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] shiny bits and pieces in the oil canister Yeah the Accusump does come apart, but I wonder if its better to replace it or have to cleaned by the manufacture? Good luck. A. On 18 April 2011 09:57, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I ran Hallett last week with CVAR and was finally rewarded with > placing 13 > starting position, with Herb Hilton on my right and P.D. Sohn on my > left. These > guys are both very good drivers with very well prepared cars. I > thought for a > moment the skies opened up and I saw little angels. I highlight of my brief > racing career. > > Later in the session (I finished 15th out of 29) that little red > lamp on the > dash started flickering. It was the cool down lap so I did my best > to just coast > into my garage space. > Low oil pressure and higher oil temperature seemed to be the way the > car was > running. It was the first time I've used multi-viscosity oil and I > think THAT > was a mistake to start off with. > I have a Canton external oil filter and after draining the oil with > bits and > pieces on the drain plug, the oil canister revealed shiny bits and > pieces in the > canister. > > Yesterday was the initial 'get the engine out of the car' mode. > Today is the > transmission and I should have the engine out. > I saw some discussion about this a few weeks back about the Accusump > and oil > cooler and what the process is of removing the particles from these. > Can someone > remind me or is there a way to research this in the FoT thread of > past? > The GT6 holds about 8 quarts of oil in all my oil lines, filter, and Accusump. > I've got a race at Eagles Canyon in May I've got my sites on. > > FoT Forever! > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From ac at camoletti.ch Thu Apr 21 03:17:20 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:17:20 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 pistons Message-ID: <002501cc0004$ec519320$c4f4b960$@camoletti.ch> Amici, Still prepping my TR3 engine, and now the liners and pistons are questioned, and may need replacement. Currently engine has the 86mm+.040'' cast aluminium Mahle with steel belt, you know the heavy ones (heavier than stock) and liners, but liners are out of round (of 0.03mm-ie over 0.001''), pistons are OK. Engine is blueprinted in all details and prepped for long distance road events. What piston and liners did you have good experience with (in 86 or 87mm)? Should I go for aluminium (forged or cast?), or iron ? I have seen there are several brands. For instance Cambridge sells JE pistons and "comp specs" liners. What about these JE pistons? or ARIAS, or CD, or HEPOLITE (are these still made?) or the forged MAHLE (expensive at 250 Euros each, but very light) Thank you for your thoughts and experience feedback! And happy Easter! Alex From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Apr 21 11:45:34 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 13:45:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New Video TR7 Race Car Message-ID: <003f01cc004b$eaf6c5d0$c0e45170$@rogers.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlhjL9wC_Kw How I spent my winter. Paul From andre at gt6.ca Thu Apr 21 12:08:23 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:08:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New Video TR7 Race Car In-Reply-To: <003f01cc004b$eaf6c5d0$c0e45170$@rogers.com> References: <003f01cc004b$eaf6c5d0$c0e45170$@rogers.com> Message-ID: Awesome Paul! A. On 21 April 2011 13:45, macdonaldp wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlhjL9wC_Kw > > > > How I spent my winter. > > > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From gaf3 at charter.net Thu Apr 21 16:14:09 2011 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 18:14:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Engine Failure Message-ID: <4DB0AC31.8060706@charter.net> Group I just tore down a club members 74 TR6 engine rebuilt by the Roadster Factory back in 2002. It appears that the circlip that holds the wrist pin (gudgeon pin) in position was not seated properly. Looks like they did a nice job on the rebuild, but the wrist pin hammered the cylinder wall and I need to overbore the cylinder or sleeve it. Have any of you experienced a failure like this. The pistons were new A&E and the oil rings were cast iron and of course they came out in pieces. Thanks in advance Glenn Numerous Triumphs, they keep multiplying From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Apr 21 18:02:02 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 20:02:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fred Thomas Decal Message-ID: As you hopefully know by now our friend and Triumph companion Fred Thomas passed away last month. There were requests for something to remember him by. A decal has been designed and is currently at the printers. It is available to all. The cost to cover the making of the decal and or sticker and the mailing them out to you is $2.00 for the first one and $1.00 for each additional ordered and shipped at the same time. You have two options. The first being a 3 inch diameter sticker that can be placed on your car, toolbox, children or whatever. The second is a 3 inch static cling decal what can be placed on the inside of your windshield, window or any other transparent object you desire. The decal/sticker design can be seen at http://cid-b7b9c2ce6905be67.photos.live.com/self.aspx/FT/Fred^_Thomas^_Decal ^_Final.jpg The outline of the car in the center of the decal is actually Freds red TR3. We took a picture of his car and performed some graphic artistry on it and what was left is an outline of his TR3. Not that it is any different than any other TR3 outline but I thought it was kind of neat that it was Freds. A big thanks to Darrell Floyd for helping me with that part of it. Here is how to get them. I can take PayPal at trmarty at hotmail.com, or you can mail me a check to Marty Sukey 38286 Law Rd. Grafton Ohio 44044. Include how many of each you want and give me your mailing address. Orders will be filled first come first serve. If we run out of product I will refund your money. I will get them in the mail as soon as I can after they come back from the printers but you might have to be patient. Marty From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Fri Apr 22 06:45:20 2011 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:45:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stuff that needs a new home - Cuse I need the money for a Race Engine!! Message-ID: Morning members< Here's a list of some goodies that I have that need a new home: - Slotted and Dimpled rotors for a stock Spitfire (Not GT6 rotors) New 60.00 for the pair. - Spitfire 1300/1500 Complete Cannon intake manifold with 45 Webber and linkage. Was running great on my race Spit Race car when removed $450.00 - Triumph1300 JE Forged pistons 0.030 over used but in excellent condition with pins and locks set of 4 $150.00 - Pertronix Second Strike electronic ignition box with built in rev limiter, like new with manuals etc etc (Basically like a MSD system) $175.00. New ones sell for $320-350.00! I have pics of these parts if you need to see them, just e mail me. I am not a fan of Pay Pal as the fees kill a lot of the dollars. Most of you know of me or at least know who I am so I prefer checks that can clear the bank and then I will ship the items. You will get the parts and they are as described. Hey I'll be at Atlanta for the Mitty the 28/29/30 of April so I can deliver them there if you want. Questions are fine, offers if reasonable will be considered as well thanks!! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From craigl at leinickegroup.com Fri Apr 22 07:17:48 2011 From: craigl at leinickegroup.com (Craig Leinicke) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 08:17:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Video and Carb Tuning In-Reply-To: <003f01cc004b$eaf6c5d0$c0e45170$@rogers.com> Message-ID: Hello Paul, The looks and sounds awesome. Watching the video got me thinking about my TR7 weber carbs. Here is the current carb set up that I am running... Choke tubes -------- 30 Aux. venturis ------- 4.5 Main jets ------------ 125 Emulsion tubes --- F9 Air corr jets --------- 155 Idle jets --------------- 55F8 Pump jets ------------ 45 Pump exh valve ---- 45 My question to the group is... My car tends to run rich (full throttle land speed racing) and rich is better than lean. To lean the mixture which pieces should I change and which direction should I go... And how far? Thanks in advance for feedback... I'm racing mid-may at Maxton. Craig Flashback Racing On 4/21/11 12:45 PM, "macdonaldp" wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlhjL9wC_Kw > > > > How I spent my winter. > > > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/craigl at leinickegroup.com From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Apr 22 08:32:43 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:32:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Video and Carb Tuning In-Reply-To: References: <003f01cc004b$eaf6c5d0$c0e45170$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110422143256.4074618764D@autox.team.net> Here's my understanding: To richen the entire range, run a larger main jet / to lean out the entire range run a smaller (lower number) main jet. To richen the top end, run a smaller air correction jet / to lean out the top end, run a larger air correction jet. The air correction is the main top end mixture tuning device. Changing the air correction jet has some effect on bottom end, so you may end up going one step richer (larger) on the main jet and one or two steps leaner (larger) on the air correction. Going from a 130 to a 135 was a noticeable change both on the mains and on the airs, so move slowly - if using the "track dyno", maybe make changes in the 10's and then refine down to the 5's. Going TOO lean is bad, so I'd try to sneak up on it. I also found that the engine dyno gave me much different settings that I came up with just trial and error on the track using seat of the pants and EGT's. Last time I went through that I was on a dyno with an air/fuel meter so I could see when it went rich / lean. I found that running the largest Choke tubes that I could fit (in my 42DCOE's) helped. I've got a set of beat up 45's on the shelf that I hope to resurrect so I can start that tuning process all over... :) You don't say what your car is, but in my TR-4 I had to run richer than "normal" (for a "normal engine") I suspect that's due to the combustion chamber design (or lack thereof). Tony Drews At 08:17 AM 4/22/2011, Craig Leinicke wrote: >Hello Paul, >The looks and sounds awesome. >Watching the video got me thinking about my TR7 weber carbs. >Here is the current carb set up that I am running... > Choke tubes -------- 30 > Aux. venturis ------- 4.5 > Main jets ------------ 125 > Emulsion tubes --- F9 > Air corr jets --------- 155 > Idle jets --------------- 55F8 > Pump jets ------------ 45 > Pump exh valve ---- 45 > >My question to the group is... My car tends to run rich (full throttle land >speed racing) and rich is better than lean. >To lean the mixture which pieces should I change and which direction should >I go... And how far? >Thanks in advance for feedback... I'm racing mid-may at Maxton. > >Craig >Flashback Racing From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Apr 22 08:32:54 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 10:32:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Video and Carb Tuning In-Reply-To: References: <003f01cc004b$eaf6c5d0$c0e45170$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <001201cc00fa$2ab87f20$80297d60$@rogers.com> Hi Craig I Have: Choke tubes -------- 30 Aux. venturis ------- ?? Main jets ------------ 130 Emulsion tubes --- F9 Air corr jets --------- 190 Idle jets --------------- 45F9 Pump jets ------------ ?? Pump exh valve ---- ?? I bought the carbs on Ebay from someone who had them set up for 5000 feet altitude. They had 165 air correctors and 55F8 idle jets. I have the Haynes manual and read a few sites, the most useful one was this one. http://www.fordcaprilaser.co.uk/weber_dcoe_carbs.htm Has a lot of good stuff on selecting the right parts. I have no clue how my cars runs other than it now starts in the garage. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Craig Leinicke [mailto:craigl at leinickegroup.com] Sent: April 22, 2011 9:18 AM To: macdonaldp; Fot Subject: Re: [Fot]TR7 Video and Carb Tuning Hello Paul, The looks and sounds awesome. Watching the video got me thinking about my TR7 weber carbs. Here is the current carb set up that I am running... Choke tubes -------- 30 Aux. venturis ------- 4.5 Main jets ------------ 125 Emulsion tubes --- F9 Air corr jets --------- 155 Idle jets --------------- 55F8 Pump jets ------------ 45 Pump exh valve ---- 45 My question to the group is... My car tends to run rich (full throttle land speed racing) and rich is better than lean. To lean the mixture which pieces should I change and which direction should I go... And how far? Thanks in advance for feedback... I'm racing mid-may at Maxton. Craig Flashback Racing On 4/21/11 12:45 PM, "macdonaldp" wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlhjL9wC_Kw > > > > How I spent my winter. > > > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/craigl at leinickegroup.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Fri Apr 22 08:43:57 2011 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR7 Video and Carb Tuning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31773.27260.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> To lean throughout the RPM range,go to a smaller main jet. To lean at upper rpm range go to a larger air corrector jet. Mike ________________________________ From: Craig Leinicke To: macdonaldp ; Fot Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:17:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Video and Carb Tuning Hello Paul, The looks and sounds awesome. Watching the video got me thinking about my TR7 weber carbs. Here is the current carb set up that I am running... Choke tubes -------- 30 Aux. venturis ------- 4.5 Main jets ------------ 125 Emulsion tubes --- F9 Air corr jets --------- 155 Idle jets --------------- 55F8 Pump jets ------------ 45 Pump exh valve ---- 45 My question to the group is... My car tends to run rich (full throttle land speed racing) and rich is better than lean. To lean the mixture which pieces should I change and which direction should I go... And how far? Thanks in advance for feedback... I'm racing mid-may at Maxton. Craig Flashback Racing From billb at bnj.com Fri Apr 22 10:05:28 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:05:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Video and Carb Tuning In-Reply-To: <31773.27260.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <31773.27260.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: True, but maybe not useful. The main jet functions from about half throttle to full throttle. If you modulate the throttle you'll see more need for fiddling with all the other jets (idle jets, pump jets, etc.) so in a street car you'll need to do more fiddling to get rid of stumbles and such at every throttle setting. Race cars tend to be WFO so the only thing we really worry about is the main and air corrector. The air corrector tries to adjust the main circuit for differences in differential pressure, which is proportional to RPM if everything else stays the same--but it never does. You can actually tune upper and lower rpm ranges properly with either air corrector or main. The air corrector serves to change the mixture from what it normally would be when the throttle is suddenly changed (ie. 1/2 to full). As a thumb rule, Mike is right, but it's pretty hard to figure out that you're lean at upper RPM unless you're tuning on a dyno with lots of instrumentation. On track it generally takes some fiddling, but I've found getting the full throttle mixture right by doing a plug chop and then paying attention to throttle response from 1/2 to full puts me on the right track. If it sounds flat (rich) when you change the throttle then go to a larger air corrector. If it stumbles (lean) go to a smaller air corrector. Then do the full throttle plug check again to correct the main jet. On Apr 22, 2011, at 7:43 AM, Mike Munson wrote: > To lean throughout the RPM range,go to a smaller main jet. To lean at upper rpm > range go to a larger air corrector jet. > > Mike > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Craig Leinicke > To: macdonaldp ; Fot > Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:17:48 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Video and Carb Tuning > > Hello Paul, > The looks and sounds awesome. > Watching the video got me thinking about my TR7 weber carbs. > Here is the current carb set up that I am running... > Choke tubes -------- 30 > Aux. venturis ------- 4.5 > Main jets ------------ 125 > Emulsion tubes --- F9 > Air corr jets --------- 155 > Idle jets --------------- 55F8 > Pump jets ------------ 45 > Pump exh valve ---- 45 > > My question to the group is... My car tends to run rich (full throttle land > speed racing) and rich is better than lean. > To lean the mixture which pieces should I change and which direction should > I go... And how far? > Thanks in advance for feedback... I'm racing mid-may at Maxton. > > Craig > Flashback Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From gaf3 at charter.net Fri Apr 22 16:30:36 2011 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:30:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Engine Failure In-Reply-To: <4DB0AC31.8060706@charter.net> References: <4DB0AC31.8060706@charter.net> Message-ID: <4DB2018C.5010102@charter.net> Thanks for the feedback on this engine failure. Does anyone out there have a source for the teflon piston pin buttons that were discussed. I remember a thread a while back regarding these. I do have a lathe but no teflon stock just nylatron and I'm not sure the material properties of nylatron would survive engine temps. It would be more cost effective to purchase these rather than make them. Thanks in advance Glenn Numerous Triumphs, they keep multiplying On 4/21/2011 6:14 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Group > I just tore down a club members 74 TR6 engine rebuilt by the Roadster > Factory back in 2002. > It appears that the circlip that holds the wrist pin (gudgeon pin) in > position was not seated properly. > Looks like they did a nice job on the rebuild, but the wrist pin > hammered the cylinder wall and I need to overbore the cylinder or > sleeve it. > Have any of you experienced a failure like this. > The pistons were new A&E and the oil rings were cast iron and of > course they came out in pieces. > Thanks in advance > Glenn > Numerous Triumphs, they keep multiplying > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Apr 22 16:46:08 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:46:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit parts Message-ID: <3E5DD164-2BCF-4F6E-8721-904F29F91231@aol.com> Amici I am going to be selling parts for a 74 and a 72 spit. Not completely sure exactly what I have but I know there is a factory hard top. Engines and trans aren't for sale but a good enough offer might tempt me to sell a trans. Complete suspension and rear I know are there. Some trim parts also. If anyone is interested in a part just drop me a message. Cars located in southern NJ (Vineland) and eastern shore of MD (Easton) I will be at Summit Point race in May. From klynch_6 at msn.com Fri Apr 22 19:22:21 2011 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:22:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Nite' - Message-ID: Evening all- I'd like to introduce to you Chris Sundberg who up until lately, has been a dedicated corner worker with RMVR. Last season or so, Chris purchased Mark Robinson's old Red Spitfire. Chris has been making steady improvements as a driver as well as making steady improvements on the car. It would be great if we could welcome Chis into the fold & so looking for a few show of hands. Thanks folks, & a Happy Easter ! Kev Lynch GT6 #6 From budscars at comcast.net Fri Apr 22 19:32:06 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:32:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Nite' - References: Message-ID: <40A07C9AED6E422FAFEBF8CAB4667FB2@Bud> I second the nomination...here's my hands(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "FOT" Cc: "sund_bug" Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 6:22 PM Subject: [Fot] Nomination Nite' - > Evening all- > I'd like to introduce to you Chris Sundberg who up until lately, has been > a > dedicated corner worker with RMVR. > Last season or so, Chris purchased Mark Robinson's old Red Spitfire. Chris > has > been making steady improvements > as a driver as well as making steady improvements on the car. > It would be great if we could welcome Chis into the fold & so looking for > a > few show of hands. > > Thanks folks, & a Happy Easter ! > > Kev Lynch > GT6 > #6 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Apr 22 19:41:48 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 21:41:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Nite' - In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDCF6EBE96BAE0-CA0-1920D@webmail-d090.sysops.aol.com> cool! another Spitfire.... 2nd -----Original Message----- From: KEVIN LYNCH To: FOT Cc: sund_bug Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:22 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination Nite' - Evening all- I'd like to introduce to you Chris Sundberg who up until lately, has been a dedicated corner worker with RMVR. Last season or so, Chris purchased Mark Robinson's old Red Spitfire. Chris has been making steady improvements as a driver as well as making steady improvements on the car. It would be great if we could welcome Chis into the fold & so looking for a few show of hands. Thanks folks, & a Happy Easter ! Kev Lynch GT6 #6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 20:24:38 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 21:24:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Engine Failure In-Reply-To: <4DB2018C.5010102@charter.net> References: <4DB0AC31.8060706@charter.net> <4DB2018C.5010102@charter.net> Message-ID: <441C59DF-CE4F-4A5F-BEDE-3DBD650E7F75@gmail.com> Glenn, I got mine from Venolia, with a set of pistons. You might call them to see where they get them, or perhaps they'd sell you a set of the proper dimensions. They show up on page 6 of their catalog here: http://www.venolia.com/catalog2005.pdf Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 On Apr 22, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Thanks for the feedback on this engine failure. > Does anyone out there have a source for the teflon piston pin buttons that were discussed. > I remember a thread a while back regarding these. > I do have a lathe but no teflon stock just nylatron and I'm not sure the material properties of nylatron would survive engine temps. > It would be more cost effective to purchase these rather than make them. > Thanks in advance > Glenn > Numerous Triumphs, they keep multiplying > > On 4/21/2011 6:14 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: >> Group >> I just tore down a club members 74 TR6 engine rebuilt by the Roadster Factory back in 2002. >> It appears that the circlip that holds the wrist pin (gudgeon pin) in position was not seated properly. >> Looks like they did a nice job on the rebuild, but the wrist pin hammered the cylinder wall and I need to overbore the cylinder or sleeve it. >> Have any of you experienced a failure like this. >> The pistons were new A&E and the oil rings were cast iron and of course they came out in pieces. >> Thanks in advance >> Glenn >> Numerous Triumphs, they keep multiplying >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Apr 23 11:35:43 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 13:35:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings Message-ID: As I get ready to start putting the Spity engine back together I have a question. Piston rings are the cast iron variety. In the past I have just coated the pistons and cylinder walls with some engine oil prior to insertion. I was talking to an old timer at the machine shop and he said he uses 90 wt gear oil on the cylinder walls and leaves the pistons dry. What do you experts use? Does it make any difference? I do want the rings to seat and I was thinking thinner was better but maybe I am wrong. What say ye? Marty From chasgee at aol.com Sat Apr 23 14:03:12 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 13:03:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings Message-ID: <201104232002.p3NK2wTE030537@imr-ma06.mx.aol.com> A thin coat of Marvel mystery oil on the cylinder walls - seats the rings fast. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: marty sukey Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:35 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings As I get ready to start putting the Spity engine back together I have a question. Piston rings are the cast iron variety. In the past I have just coated the pistons and cylinder walls with some engine oil prior to insertion. I was talking to an old timer at the machine shop and he said he uses 90 wt gear oil on the cylinder walls and leaves the pistons dry. What do you experts use? Does it make any difference? I do want the rings to seat and I was thinking thinner was better but maybe I am wrong. What say ye? Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From REK46 at aol.com Sat Apr 23 16:16:49 2011 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 18:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings Message-ID: <4c56d.1fd784a7.3ae4a9d1@aol.com> Totally agree with Chuck.....Marvel does it well with CI rings In a message dated 4/23/2011 4:06:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, chasgee at aol.com writes: A thin coat of Marvel mystery oil on the cylinder walls - seats the rings fast. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: marty sukey Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:35 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings As I get ready to start putting the Spity engine back together I have a question. Piston rings are the cast iron variety. In the past I have just coated the pistons and cylinder walls with some engine oil prior to insertion. I was talking to an old timer at the machine shop and he said he uses 90 wt gear oil on the cylinder walls and leaves the pistons dry. What do you experts use? Does it make any difference? I do want the rings to seat and I was thinking thinner was better but maybe I am wrong. What say ye? Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Apr 23 16:47:28 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 17:47:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301cc0208$6d5c9640$4815c2c0$@com> Wow, the FOT is fantastic. I'd never have thought of Marvel Mystery oil. Just curious, what kind of piston rings are there other than the cast iron ones and where are they used? Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:36 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings As I get ready to start putting the Spity engine back together I have a question. Piston rings are the cast iron variety. In the past I have just coated the pistons and cylinder walls with some engine oil prior to insertion. I was talking to an old timer at the machine shop and he said he uses 90 wt gear oil on the cylinder walls and leaves the pistons dry. What do you experts use? Does it make any difference? I do want the rings to seat and I was thinking thinner was better but maybe I am wrong. What say ye? Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From mark at bradakis.com Sat Apr 23 18:18:00 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 18:18:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DB36C38.6090102@bradakis.com> In the past ( I haven't built a motor for 5+ years ) I would use good old WD40, liberally, to get the pistons in the bore. But wait, wasn't there a Bon Ami cleanser that had a Chevy part number that would quickly seat rings when dusted into the carb of fresh rebuild? mjb. From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net Tue Apr 19 13:25:37 2011 From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] SCCA Vintage at Laguna 4/30- 5/1 Message-ID: <629103.25220.qm@web180315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> San Francisco region vintage event at Laguna Seca on April 30 & May 1. A great chance to get some track time prior to the Kas Cup. Note - this is a sound controlled event. Small bore production limit is 101db. Bring a muffler, you'll need it. We ran the SFR SCCA vintage at Thunderhill last year, and had a great time. Unfortunately we will not be able to make this race. Schedule and more info at: (sfrscca dot org - if these links don't make it past the crap filter) http://www.sfrscca.org/component/option,com_easycalendar/task,view/id,178/Ite mid,1/cid,22/ http://www.sfrscca.org/images/2011/Calendar/11vintageapril30sched.pdf Any FOT planing to attend? Cheers, Tim Pettenati From jerrybarr at charter.net Sat Apr 23 21:02:04 2011 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 22:02:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings In-Reply-To: <4DB36C38.6090102@bradakis.com> References: <4DB36C38.6090102@bradakis.com> Message-ID: CAT) had the packages of Bon Ami in the dealerships. I seem to remember they were sold and a "compression booster" On Apr 23, 2011, at 7:18 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > In the past ( I haven't built a motor for 5+ years ) I would use good old > WD40, liberally, to get the pistons in the bore. > > But wait, wasn't there a Bon Ami cleanser that had a Chevy part number > that would quickly seat rings when dusted into the carb of fresh rebuild? > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Apr 23 23:41:33 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 22:41:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings In-Reply-To: References: <4DB36C38.6090102@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <04b801cc0242$45108770$0301a8c0@randall> > > But wait, wasn't there a Bon Ami cleanser that had a Chevy > part number > > that would quickly seat rings when dusted into the carb of > fresh rebuild? Actually, I believe it was Bon Ami cleaning powder, not cleanser. There is a difference. If the can says "not safe for use on glass", you've got the wrong one. OSH had it, last time I looked, but none of the local grocery stores did. -- Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Apr 24 04:12:10 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 12:12:10 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR6 racing In-Reply-To: <04b801cc0242$45108770$0301a8c0@randall> References: <4DB36C38.6090102@bradakis.com> <04b801cc0242$45108770$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <001201cc0268$15d50c80$417f2580$@com> Maybe you like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzDEuWE5U3g Cheers Chris From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Apr 25 05:26:07 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 07:26:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers Message-ID: Is anybody currently using one of the Crank-Scrapers.com products in a spitfire? if so I have a question for you. Thanks, Marty From ac at camoletti.ch Mon Apr 25 06:42:03 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:42:03 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft end float TR3-4 Message-ID: <002201cc0346$324860e0$96d922a0$@camoletti.ch> Amici, what are your thoughts about camshaft end float and bearing clearance? Didn't we exchange about it ? Could not find in the FOT database. We discussed distributor gear recently, but could not find a discussion about cam end float and bearing clearances. These certainly have an influence on ignition timing, distributor gear life and valve train lash. Are the stock specs ok ? These are : Clearance bearing #1= 0.00275'' to 0.0047'', Clearance bearings #2-3-4= .002'' to .0035'' End float min .003'' up to .0075'' Thank you for your thoughts! Much appreciated! Alex From igofaster at att.net Mon Apr 25 09:14:47 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 08:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 24 hour Lemons race... and a TR6 Message-ID: <605485.72322.qm@web180818.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Morning FoT... Just woke up from a weekend haze of my first 24 Hour of Lemons Race. Argh.. did we race a true $500 TR6 ALL weekend? Was that a dream? Amazingly enough Bob Kramer and the Sherlock Homeboyz campaigned the TR6 all weekend long and even placed 20th position. Not too shabby. Yours truly, The Pawn Star of CVAR, sponsored $500 for covered space, food, fuel, beer and I was one of 6 drivers. The TR6 had some fuel problems, as we could not get the carb's dialed in. We did have the advantage of cornering though. So.. I know Bob Kramer, Greg Blake and I we turning 2:30's times out of the car that had little past 4000 rpm, and fuel starvation in the turns. I would just go as long as I could and hold out to the very last few feet before I broke into the turns. Amazingly, the car never broke down and we had no contact. We were penalized for two offs in one session Sunday morning, so we were instructed to paint a large Alfa Romero symbol on the trunk lid. We had fun with the paint, made a really nice symbol and the spelled Alpha Bumero in the lid. Although not required I took the extra step to appease the judges by donning voluntarily the 70's afro wig. Bob Kramer says we won some swag, the Grassroots Motors Sports , "Most with the Least" trophy! Go team! I'm ready (with rest) to do it again! Bobby Whitehead From tr6driver at yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 09:30:28 2011 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 08:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] ChumpCar Charlotte Race Report Message-ID: <376373.77577.qm@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well...our race wasn't quite as successful as the LeMons crew (congratulations, guys!)... Day started out very well with Mr. Wayne Andrews showing a LOT of people up! Lost the throttle linkage at one point but we got that fixed and Wayne set some fast times in the wet. Kevin followed and cut some really consistent laps, during his run the whole field was stopped for a red flag to get a talking to as $2,000 worth of barriers had already been trashed. Not Kevin! Kevin turned it over to Jack, who proceeded to lay down some more good times. We gradually climbed into the top ten and had just gotten into 6th place (of 45 cars) when, on his pit in lap...there was an off-course excursion. About 2-1/2 hours later, we had replaced the bent steering rack (Jack and Joe had to go strip it off of one if Jack's cars) and bent wheel, Kevin aligned it by eye and I went out. Started out very slow, but gradually gained confidence in the car and started lowering lap times. We had climbed back to 33rd when... The throttle stuck on the floor. Well...I'm fine. Lacey, on the other hand, is not. Pretty much everything in front of the firewall other than the engine and maybe the brakes are toast. I also managed to take out the left rear fender and wheel as I was going fast enough when I hit that the left rear also hit the guardrail. We are going to explore our options, including possibly transferring everything to a donor TR6 or sectioning the frame. Our next scheduled race is VIR July 30-31. We have some thinking and a LOT of work to do if we are going to make that event... I'm very thankful that the car we built and the safety precautions all worked. I'm very sad that Tim and Joe, who were there all day and worked very hard didn't even get to race. Assuming we make VIR, they'll be first up. Jamie Palmer Squadron Leader, RiffRAF Racing From igofaster at att.net Mon Apr 25 09:38:23 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 08:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Lemon's this weekend In-Reply-To: References: <002501cbfe33$a3a33340$eae999c0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <217799.49857.qm@web180815.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> will this post? http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/04/huggy-bear-shos-galore-and-a-tr6-bs-inspections-at-the-north-dallas-hooptie-24-hours-of-lemons/ Bobby Whitehead From igofaster at att.net Mon Apr 25 10:09:10 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 09:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] small journal Spit Message-ID: <912964.75789.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> how do you identify a small journal 1296cc Spitfire engine? Bobby From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Apr 25 10:16:48 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:16:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] small journal Spit Message-ID: <5f7d2.1736b5d6.3ae6f870@aol.com> The rod bearings will be smaller..........Never mind. ;-)) In a message dated 4/25/2011 9:09:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, igofaster at att.net writes: how do you identify a small journal 1296cc Spitfire engine? Bobby _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From herald948 at aol.com Mon Apr 25 10:19:36 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] small journal Spit In-Reply-To: <912964.75789.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <912964.75789.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDD17BB42800E5-A58-1E3CB@webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com> Assuming the serial number is still visible, it should be either "FD" or "FE" prefix (although there is also a very rare "FF" version as well). --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead how do you identify a small journal 1296cc Spitfire engine? From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Apr 25 10:24:56 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:24:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ChumpCar Charlotte Race Report In-Reply-To: <376373.77577.qm@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <376373.77577.qm@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm so sorry to hear this. You all worked so hard, and had a nice chumper car. The most important parts are safe, the people. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jamie Palmer Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 10:30 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] ChumpCar Charlotte Race Report Well...our race wasn't quite as successful as the LeMons crew (congratulations, guys!)... Day started out very well with Mr. Wayne Andrews showing a LOT of people up! Lost the throttle linkage at one point but we got that fixed and Wayne set some fast times in the wet. Kevin followed and cut some really consistent laps, during his run the whole field was stopped for a red flag to get a talking to as $2,000 worth of barriers had already been trashed. Not Kevin! Kevin turned it over to Jack, who proceeded to lay down some more good times. We gradually climbed into the top ten and had just gotten into 6th place (of 45 cars) when, on his pit in lap...there was an off-course excursion. About 2-1/2 hours later, we had replaced the bent steering rack (Jack and Joe had to go strip it off of one if Jack's cars) and bent wheel, Kevin aligned it by eye and I went out. Started out very slow, but gradually gained confidence in the car and started lowering lap times. We had climbed back to 33rd when... The throttle stuck on the floor. Well...I'm fine. Lacey, on the other hand, is not. Pretty much everything in front of the firewall other than the engine and maybe the brakes are toast. I also managed to take out the left rear fender and wheel as I was going fast enough when I hit that the left rear also hit the guardrail. We are going to explore our options, including possibly transferring everything to a donor TR6 or sectioning the frame. Our next scheduled race is VIR July 30-31. We have some thinking and a LOT of work to do if we are going to make that event... I'm very thankful that the car we built and the safety precautions all worked. I'm very sad that Tim and Joe, who were there all day and worked very hard didn't even get to race. Assuming we make VIR, they'll be first up. Jamie Palmer Squadron Leader, RiffRAF Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From REK46 at aol.com Mon Apr 25 10:35:15 2011 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] small journal Spit Message-ID: <1b7fb.bc701a1.3ae6fcc3@aol.com> The front crank nut is smaller( 1 7/16" wrench ) on the 1296 small journal......the 1500 has a larger nut. and pulley. In a message dated 4/25/2011 12:23:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: Assuming the serial number is still visible, it should be either "FD" or "FE" prefix (although there is also a very rare "FF" version as well). --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead how do you identify a small journal 1296cc Spitfire engine? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Apr 25 11:56:26 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 19:56:26 +0200 Subject: [Fot] ChumpCar Charlotte Race Report In-Reply-To: <376373.77577.qm@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <376373.77577.qm@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301cc0372$1ba2f040$52e8d0c0$@com> Sorry to hear that. I hope you get that fixed soon to have it race ready again. Thumbs pressed Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jamie Palmer Gesendet: Montag, 25. April 2011 17:30 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] ChumpCar Charlotte Race Report Well...our race wasn't quite as successful as the LeMons crew (congratulations, guys!)... Day started out very well with Mr. Wayne Andrews showing a LOT of people up! Lost the throttle linkage at one point but we got that fixed and Wayne set some fast times in the wet. Kevin followed and cut some really consistent laps, during his run the whole field was stopped for a red flag to get a talking to as $2,000 worth of barriers had already been trashed. Not Kevin! Kevin turned it over to Jack, who proceeded to lay down some more good times. We gradually climbed into the top ten and had just gotten into 6th place (of 45 cars) when, on his pit in lap...there was an off-course excursion. About 2-1/2 hours later, we had replaced the bent steering rack (Jack and Joe had to go strip it off of one if Jack's cars) and bent wheel, Kevin aligned it by eye and I went out. Started out very slow, but gradually gained confidence in the car and started lowering lap times. We had climbed back to 33rd when... The throttle stuck on the floor. Well...I'm fine. Lacey, on the other hand, is not. Pretty much everything in front of the firewall other than the engine and maybe the brakes are toast. I also managed to take out the left rear fender and wheel as I was going fast enough when I hit that the left rear also hit the guardrail. We are going to explore our options, including possibly transferring everything to a donor TR6 or sectioning the frame. Our next scheduled race is VIR July 30-31. We have some thinking and a LOT of work to do if we are going to make that event... I'm very thankful that the car we built and the safety precautions all worked. I'm very sad that Tim and Joe, who were there all day and worked very hard didn't even get to race. Assuming we make VIR, they'll be first up. Jamie Palmer Squadron Leader, RiffRAF Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Apr 25 12:15:06 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:15:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] small journal Spit In-Reply-To: <1b7fb.bc701a1.3ae6fcc3@aol.com> References: <1b7fb.bc701a1.3ae6fcc3@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230CFBB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> And once you've identified the smaller front pulley nut, you can separate the 1296s from the 1147s by looking at the head. The 1147s have the siamesed intake ports and have an odd number of head studs (11 vs 10?) Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of REK46 at aol.com Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 11:35 AM To: herald948 at aol.com; igofaster at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] small journal Spit The front crank nut is smaller( 1 7/16" wrench ) on the 1296 small journal......the 1500 has a larger nut. and pulley. In a message dated 4/25/2011 12:23:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: Assuming the serial number is still visible, it should be either "FD" or "FE" prefix (although there is also a very rare "FF" version as well). --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead how do you identify a small journal 1296cc Spitfire engine? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From jsclark at live.ca Mon Apr 25 13:54:43 2011 From: jsclark at live.ca (Jeff Clark) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:54:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak Message-ID: Friends, I need some advice. 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. After two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we have developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? Thanks Jeff Clark From sjanzen at me.com Mon Apr 25 14:07:57 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:07:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I get maybe a few tablespoons of oil out of the rocker vent over a race weekend and have an unvented crankcase, so I really don't think the issue is inadequate crankcase ventilation. do you have an auxiliary line to your valve rockers that could be over-supplying that area - still don't see why so much oil would be blown out the cover vent unless there is another issue too. On Apr 25, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: Friends, I need some advice. 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. After two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we have developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? Thanks Jeff Clark _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Apr 25 14:55:17 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:55:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] oil leak Message-ID: <3d6f2.25d95c1e.3ae739b5@aol.com> Two issues I read here. You developed a leak at the head gasket left side. Front or rear? Are you sure or is it just a valve cover leak? You blew by into the catch can. Not uncommon. Did you get happy with the RPM? Where is your crankcase vented? Sock little 1/2" connection? Anywhere else? If you start getting the revs up you need a lot more ventilation than that stock hole. I run a 1" hose off of the valve cover and still pump some oil sometimes at the high end. Do you have the auxilary feed to the rockers? Stock or roller? Who's rollers? Is the aux feed plugged to a tiny orifice? Lot's of details here to make this lump of iron work...... In a message dated 4/25/2011 12:58:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jsclark at live.ca writes: Friends, I need some advice. 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. After two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we have developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? Thanks Jeff Clark _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From budscars at comcast.net Mon Apr 25 14:55:58 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:55:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil leak References: Message-ID: <455E00DCCC5A4BCBB555036BE2F04DE2@Bud> Jeff... ..give it a compression test before tearing stuff apart..but it sounds like a broken piston ring. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Clark" To: Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 12:54 PM Subject: [Fot] oil leak > Friends, I need some advice. > 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. > After > two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we > have > developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. > After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from > rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head > gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? > Thanks > Jeff Clark > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From sjanzen at me.com Mon Apr 25 14:59:51 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:59:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak In-Reply-To: <3d6f2.25d95c1e.3ae739b5@aol.com> References: <3d6f2.25d95c1e.3ae739b5@aol.com> Message-ID: <63E45805-8377-481D-87EC-7846A3DCECEB@me.com> Jeff, forgot to mention - I get some oil seepage on the driver's left side of the head gasket too, by the pushrods - crankcase pressure. Am installing bigger vents to address that, as Steve suggested. Still surprised by the amount of oil you're getting in the can. On Apr 25, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: Two issues I read here. You developed a leak at the head gasket left side. Front or rear? Are you sure or is it just a valve cover leak? You blew by into the catch can. Not uncommon. Did you get happy with the RPM? Where is your crankcase vented? Sock little 1/2" connection? Anywhere else? If you start getting the revs up you need a lot more ventilation than that stock hole. I run a 1" hose off of the valve cover and still pump some oil sometimes at the high end. Do you have the auxilary feed to the rockers? Stock or roller? Who's rollers? Is the aux feed plugged to a tiny orifice? Lot's of details here to make this lump of iron work...... In a message dated 4/25/2011 12:58:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jsclark at live.ca writes: Friends, I need some advice. 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. After two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we have developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? Thanks Jeff Clark _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From budscars at comcast.net Mon Apr 25 15:00:15 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:00:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil leak References: <3d6f2.25d95c1e.3ae739b5@aol.com> Message-ID: Valve cover..Good point...if it's coming from the valve cover, and you're filling your catch tank, check to see that the set screw that fits into the rocker pedestal has not come out...that will fill your valve cover with oil, while not feeding oil through the rocker. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak > Two issues I read here. You developed a leak at the head gasket left > side. Front or rear? Are you sure or is it just a valve cover leak? > > You blew by into the catch can. Not uncommon. Did you get happy with > the > RPM? Where is your crankcase vented? Sock little 1/2" connection? > Anywhere else? > > If you start getting the revs up you need a lot more ventilation than that > stock hole. I run a 1" hose off of the valve cover and still pump some > oil > sometimes at the high end. Do you have the auxilary feed to the rockers? > Stock or roller? Who's rollers? Is the aux feed plugged to a tiny > orifice? > > Lot's of details here to make this lump of iron work...... > > > In a message dated 4/25/2011 12:58:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > jsclark at live.ca writes: > > Friends, I need some advice. > 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. > After > two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we > have > developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. > After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from > rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head > gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? > Thanks > Jeff Clark > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From fasttrs at yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 15:14:15 2011 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:14:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oil leak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have had holes in pistons, broken or worn rings and leaking head gaskets that caused excessive crankcase pressure and filling the overflow bottle. Just hope it is something simple like a head gasket. Mike #28 EP TR6 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 25, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: > Friends, I need some advice. > 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. After > two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we have > developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. > After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from > rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head > gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? > Thanks > Jeff Clark > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 25 15:24:27 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:24:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil leak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Leakdown test. On Apr 25, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Mike Munson wrote: > I have had holes in pistons, broken or worn rings and leaking head gaskets > that caused excessive crankcase pressure and filling the overflow bottle. Just > hope it is something simple like a head gasket. > > Mike > #28 EP TR6 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 25, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: > >> Friends, I need some advice. >> 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. > After >> two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we > have >> developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. >> After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from >> rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head >> gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? >> Thanks >> Jeff Clark >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Apr 25 15:26:15 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:26:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 HEADGASKET LAGUNA SECA ENGINE Message-ID: <8CDD1A68B08B319-1A94-250F0@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> What is the current best thinking on head gaskets? We have been using conventional head gaskets, slightly modified, with success. But would like to move on....Cometic? We are modifying liners to accept a wire ring and are running about 12:1 compression. Engine assembly has commenced. Looking for source and availability. TIA. JOE A From jsclark at live.ca Mon Apr 25 16:41:29 2011 From: jsclark at live.ca (Jeff Clark) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 18:41:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions Message-ID: Thanks to all I now have a direction before I tear the head off need to get the car ready for May 7 -8 at Mosport I hate oil leaks Jeff From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Apr 25 18:45:52 2011 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:45:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 HEADGASKET LAGUNA SECA ENGINE In-Reply-To: <8CDD1A68B08B319-1A94-250F0@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDD1A68B08B319-1A94-250F0@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DB615C0.9000800@blacksburg.net> On 4/25/2011 5:26 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > What is the current best thinking on head gaskets? > > We have been using conventional head gaskets, slightly modified, with > success. > > But would like to move on....Cometic? > > We are modifying liners to accept a wire ring and are running about 12:1 > compression. > > Engine assembly has commenced. Looking for source and availability. > Joe, I'm running a Cometic H0793SP4043F in my TR4, with excellent success. ISTR that it compressed to 0.035, so it's a little thinner than the Payen. These are special order from Cometic, but their turn-around is only a couple of days (well, was late last year). jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Apr 26 07:03:54 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:03:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] tr4 gasket usage..... Message-ID: <8CDD22987F49E9F-198C-2F759@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com> so far i have two responses: one cometic one steel shim gasket with copper wire anyone else? thanks From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Apr 26 09:06:33 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:06:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local> Gee whiz Jeff, if you hate oil leaks I'm not so sure you should have bought an English Car! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Clark Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 6:41 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions Thanks to all I now have a direction before I tear the head off need to get the car ready for May 7 -8 at Mosport I hate oil leaks Jeff _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Apr 26 10:06:43 2011 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:06:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local> References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com> They only leak when you put oil in them! Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Hasty Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:07 AM To: 'Jeff Clark'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions Gee whiz Jeff, if you hate oil leaks I'm not so sure you should have bought an English Car! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Clark Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 6:41 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions Thanks to all I now have a direction before I tear the head off need to get the car ready for May 7 -8 at Mosport I hate oil leaks Jeff _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Apr 26 10:50:14 2011 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: <000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com> References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local> <000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> If you just consider them as partial-loss oiling systems, the problem goes away... HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing To: jhhasty ; 'Jeff Clark' ; fot Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2011 12:14 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions They only leak when you put oil in them! Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Hasty Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:07 AM To: 'Jeff Clark'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions Gee whiz Jeff, if you hate oil leaks I'm not so sure you should have bought an English Car! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Clark Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 6:41 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions Thanks to all I now have a direction before I tear the head off need to get the car ready for May 7 -8 at Mosport I hate oil leaks Jeff _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From tlizzard at msn.com Tue Apr 26 14:39:42 2011 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:39:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com> <8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com> <8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Guys, guys, guys... It's a feature, not a problem area. Active under vehicle rust control system or ARCS for short... Terry Stetler From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Apr 26 14:43:52 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:43:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com> <8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> I was black flagged twice for leaking (and smoking). Cheers Chris (with an leak free TR (almost)) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Terry Stetler Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:40 An: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com; jsclark at live.ca; fot at autox.team.net; fubog1 Betreff: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions Guys, guys, guys... It's a feature, not a problem area. Active under vehicle rust control system or ARCS for short... Terry Stetler _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue Apr 26 14:48:42 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:48:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: <003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> <003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> Message-ID: Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only discretionary pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:44 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions I was black flagged twice for leaking (and smoking). Cheers Chris (with an leak free TR (almost)) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Terry Stetler Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:40 An: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com; jsclark at live.ca; fot at autox.team.net; fubog1 Betreff: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions Guys, guys, guys... It's a feature, not a problem area. Active under vehicle rust control system or ARCS for short... Terry Stetler _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Apr 26 14:52:36 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:52:36 +0200 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> <003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> Message-ID: <003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> Are you sure? My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that smoking. But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only discretionary pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) Joe C. From budscars at comcast.net Tue Apr 26 15:02:11 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:02:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com><003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> <003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> Message-ID: You guys crack me up!..I'm part of a group of guys called THE OLD GUYS STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE....When we get even older we're changing the name of our group to 'IT ALL DEPENDS' Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions > Are you sure? > My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. > My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that smoking. > > But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? > Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 > An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop > (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only > discretionary > pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Apr 26 15:29:57 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 23:29:57 +0200 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com><003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> <003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> Message-ID: <004b01cc0459$18a10cf0$49e326d0$@com> But as we talk about oil leak solutions: I bet that my race car is the one and only in the world that has closed the lower vent hole on the left block side with a champagne cork. And this NASA like solution does work since 3 years now. I asked Wernher von Braun: What do you use for leaks? Answer: If you are on earth, find a champagne cork, if you are in space, use your thumb. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 23:02 An: MadMarx; 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions You guys crack me up!..I'm part of a group of guys called THE OLD GUYS STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE....When we get even older we're changing the name of our group to 'IT ALL DEPENDS' Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions > Are you sure? > My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. > My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that smoking. > > But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? > Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 > An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop > (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only > discretionary > pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue Apr 26 15:52:11 2011 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:52:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> <003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> Message-ID: I was black flagged once at Heartland Park for smoking (leaking, but it all went on the headers), came in and the pit steward comes up and says, "You were black flagged for smoking. Got a leak?" I replied, "Of course. It's British!" He says, "Going back out?" "Yep" I reply, and off I went. That was the entire conversation. "It's British" seemed to suffice as an explanation. --Rocky Entriken #4 Spitfire Mk. 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions >I was black flagged twice for leaking (and smoking). > > Cheers > Chris (with an leak free TR (almost)) > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Terry Stetler > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:40 > An: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com; jsclark at live.ca; > fot at autox.team.net; fubog1 > Betreff: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > Guys, guys, guys... > > > It's a feature, not a problem area. > > Active under vehicle rust control system or ARCS for short... > > > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 17:39:15 2011 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com><003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> <003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> Message-ID: <841302.72382.qm@web46102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Don't feel too bad. I have two Corvairs too. So as far as leaking I am used to to it. They leak in all kinds of weird places. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 To: MadMarx ; Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 2:02:11 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions You guys crack me up!..I'm part of a group of guys called THE OLD GUYS STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE....When we get even older we're changing the name of our group to 'IT ALL DEPENDS' Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions > Are you sure? > My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. > My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that smoking. > > But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? > Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 > An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop > (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only discretionary > pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com From fpspitfire at comcast.net Tue Apr 26 20:22:03 2011 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 02:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] small journal Spit In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230CFBB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <1957246988.499233.1303870923195.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> and don't forget...if you are looking at used engines the small crank ones will amost definately be missing thrust washers and been run that way for 4000 miles. aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Barr" To: REK46 at aol.com, herald948 at aol.com, igofaster at att.net, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, 25 April, 2011 2:15:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] small journal Spit And once you've identified the smaller front pulley nut, you can separate the 1296s from the 1147s by looking at the head. B The 1147s have the siamesed intake ports and have an odd number of head studs (11 vs 10?) Scott From jerrybarr at charter.net Tue Apr 26 20:27:44 2011 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 21:27:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: <003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> <003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> <003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> Message-ID: I would never do it but I know a guy that races a #49 Blue Spitfire that made a chicken wire and an oil absorbent diaper to stop a serious front of the oil pan leak. We made the whole weekend with no fires or drips. On Apr 26, 2011, at 3:52 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Are you sure? > My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. > My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that smoking. > > But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? > Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 > An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop > (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only discretionary > pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 20:32:12 2011 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (jaxonracing at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 02:32:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] small journal Spit In-Reply-To: <1957246988.499233.1303870923195.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230CFBB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><1957246988.499233.1303870923195.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Only 4000 miles. -----Original Message----- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 02:22:03 To: Scott Barr Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] small journal Spit and don't forget...if you are looking at used engines the small crank ones will amost definately be missing thrust washers and been run that way for 4000 miles. aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Barr" To: REK46 at aol.com, herald948 at aol.com, igofaster at att.net, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, 25 April, 2011 2:15:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] small journal Spit And once you've identified the smaller front pulley nut, you can separate the 1296s from the 1147s by looking at the head. B The 1147s have the siamesed intake ports and have an odd number of head studs (11 vs 10?) Scott _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaxonracing at yahoo.com From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Apr 26 21:02:41 2011 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 23:02:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> <003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> <003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> Message-ID: <001901cc0487$92a402e0$b7ec08a0$@rr.com> Hell, I know another Spitfire racer, who shall remain nameless, that made a "gutter" to run the oil away from his exhaust pipe. Quite a conversation piece. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Barr Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:28 PM To: MadMarx Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions I would never do it but I know a guy that races a #49 Blue Spitfire that made a chicken wire and an oil absorbent diaper to stop a serious front of the oil pan leak. We made the whole weekend with no fires or drips. On Apr 26, 2011, at 3:52 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Are you sure? > My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. > My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that smoking. > > But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? > Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 > An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop > (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only discretionary > pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From mpendy at dishmail.net Tue Apr 26 21:22:36 2011 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:22:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com><003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com><003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> <001901cc0487$92a402e0$b7ec08a0$@rr.com> Message-ID: Heck; when a person forks out several hundred dollars for a race weekend and there is a chance they will tell you to go home 'cause your leakin oil, i'll diaper the whole car and make cut-outs for the tires and my #s and so i can see out........just my 2 cents...........Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'Jerry Barr'" ; "'MadMarx'" Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions > Hell, I know another Spitfire racer, who shall remain nameless, that made > a > "gutter" to run the oil away from his exhaust pipe. Quite a conversation > piece. > Russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Jerry Barr > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:28 PM > To: MadMarx > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' > Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > I would never do it but I know a guy that races a #49 Blue Spitfire that > made > a chicken wire and an oil absorbent diaper to stop a serious front of the > oil > pan leak. We made the whole weekend with no fires or drips. > On Apr 26, 2011, at 3:52 PM, MadMarx wrote: > >> Are you sure? >> My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. >> My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that smoking. >> >> But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? >> Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? >> >> Chris >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 >> An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' >> Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions >> >> Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop >> (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only > discretionary >> pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) >> >> Joe C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net From jkhagen at charter.net Wed Apr 27 15:46:15 2011 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions Message-ID: <38b36f0b.19dc29.12f98ed3d8f.Webtop.43@charter.net> Its' either "depends" or no more enduros. Rebuilt TR-4 [SCCA car] headed to Elk Hart Lake 5/12--need some good karma, John Hagen On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 4:02 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > You guys crack me up!..I'm part of a group of guys called THE OLD GUYS > STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE....When we get even older we're > changing the name of our group to 'IT ALL DEPENDS' > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" > > To: "'Friends of Triumph'" > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > >> Are you sure? >> My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. >> My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that >> smoking. >> >> But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? >> Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? >> >> Chris >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 >> An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' >> Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions >> >> Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you >> stop >> (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only >> discretionary >> pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) >> >> Joe C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Apr 27 17:17:25 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:17:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi Message-ID: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> 1. OEM style gasket 2. OEM style gasket with copper wire in liner groove 3. Steel shim gasket with copper wire 4. Steel shim gasket w/out any wire. 5. Copper gasket with steel wire in head groove. 6. Cometic gasket Gasket dressing varies We have done most all with reasonable success....except Cometic. Surprised at limited number of responses..... and the variety of solutions. Perhaps gasket sealing is a non issue or everyone is busy changing head gaskets. It appears that OEM style is understandably the most forgiving, but concern remains that it might not work well with the typically modified head. Joe A I suppose we should assume that all surfaces and assemblies are in spec. I'd like to see a Cometic and try it...we have one on order but will not receive it in time for this engine assembly. Anyother comments.....?? = From gasket.works at gte.net Wed Apr 27 18:33:00 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 00:33:00 +0000 Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi In-Reply-To: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <542724799-1303950781-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1314259924-@bda712.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Gasket sealing is a dynamic deal. The axial camping force minus the combustion chamber pressure is obviously key. No sealing agent will overcome less than adequate head studs. If the liners are too proud or off between each other seepage of oil and coolant will occur with head lift during load. Stock compression and thick stock head gaskets are very forgiving. Race motors are not. MLS head gaskets were designed with intent of sliding along each portion as expansion of the head and block occur @ different rates (alum head/ iron block). Some gaskets need retorquing during warm up. Sealants come in various flavors. The holy grail is yet to be found. But there good products out there. I have tested many. I'm not going to detail results here. Solid Copper hg's are not for everyone. Some people have nothing but problems, some love them. I use them --- go figure. Work for me. Perhaps I am exacting when it comeS to liner protrusion. For the tr tractor engine symetrical liner height is crucial. Using a steel metal hg keep the protrusion no less than .003" more than .005" will likely be an immediate problem. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:17:25 To: Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi 1. OEM style gasket 2. OEM style gasket with copper wire in liner groove 3. Steel shim gasket with copper wire 4. Steel shim gasket w/out any wire. 5. Copper gasket with steel wire in head groove. 6. Cometic gasket Gasket dressing varies We have done most all with reasonable success....except Cometic. Surprised at limited number of responses..... and the variety of solutions. Perhaps gasket sealing is a non issue or everyone is busy changing head gaskets. It appears that OEM style is understandably the most forgiving, but concern remains that it might not work well with the typically modified head. Joe A I suppose we should assume that all surfaces and assemblies are in spec. I'd like to see a Cometic and try it...we have one on order but will not receive it in time for this engine assembly. Anyother comments.....?? = _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Apr 28 00:31:22 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:31:22 +0200 Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi In-Reply-To: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001b01cc056d$e6cbecc0$b463c640$@com> I had used self made plain copper, copper with wire. They didn't last, half a race and the water was gone. I moved on the crimped steel shim gaskets, sold by Bastuck or Racetoratios. Both do well but after 2-3 events I have to change them. I also had an interest at Cometic, but the gasket is too thick, about 0.047" instead of the steel shim thickness of 0.0236". It seems that this gasket won't fit my engine. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. April 2011 01:17 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi 1. OEM style gasket 2. OEM style gasket with copper wire in liner groove 3. Steel shim gasket with copper wire 4. Steel shim gasket w/out any wire. 5. Copper gasket with steel wire in head groove. 6. Cometic gasket Gasket dressing varies We have done most all with reasonable success....except Cometic. Surprised at limited number of responses..... and the variety of solutions. Perhaps gasket sealing is a non issue or everyone is busy changing head gaskets. It appears that OEM style is understandably the most forgiving, but concern remains that it might not work well with the typically modified head. Joe A I suppose we should assume that all surfaces and assemblies are in spec. I'd like to see a Cometic and try it...we have one on order but will not receive it in time for this engine assembly. Anyother comments.....?? = _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Apr 28 08:07:30 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:07:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi In-Reply-To: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000901cc05ad$9eb98060$dc2c8120$@com> We have had good results with the Payen, which is what I think you mean by "OEM style, and it is still available from NWBP. At least it was a couple of weeks ago when I stocked up on them. We're running a bit above 11:1 C.R. We don't use any gasket dressing, as I recall. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:17 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi 1. OEM style gasket 2. OEM style gasket with copper wire in liner groove 3. Steel shim gasket with copper wire 4. Steel shim gasket w/out any wire. 5. Copper gasket with steel wire in head groove. 6. Cometic gasket Gasket dressing varies We have done most all with reasonable success....except Cometic. Surprised at limited number of responses..... and the variety of solutions. Perhaps gasket sealing is a non issue or everyone is busy changing head gaskets. It appears that OEM style is understandably the most forgiving, but concern remains that it might not work well with the typically modified head. Joe A I suppose we should assume that all surfaces and assemblies are in spec. I'd like to see a Cometic and try it...we have one on order but will not receive it in time for this engine assembly. Anyother comments.....?? = _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Apr 28 08:21:12 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:21:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi In-Reply-To: <000901cc05ad$9eb98060$dc2c8120$@com> Message-ID: Payen works for us at 12:1.....but had to make sure the head was "flat" John H. 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We don't use any gasket dressing, as I recall. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:17 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi 1. OEM style gasket 2. OEM style gasket with copper wire in liner groove 3. Steel shim gasket with copper wire 4. Steel shim gasket w/out any wire. 5. Copper gasket with steel wire in head groove. 6. Cometic gasket Gasket dressing varies We have done most all with reasonable success....except Cometic. Surprised at limited number of responses..... and the variety of solutions. Perhaps gasket sealing is a non issue or everyone is busy changing head gaskets. It appears that OEM style is understandably the most forgiving, but concern remains that it might not work well with the typically modified head. Joe A I suppose we should assume that all surfaces and assemblies are in spec. I'd like to see a Cometic and try it...we have one on order but will not receive it in time for this engine assembly. Anyother comments.....?? = _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Apr 28 08:43:49 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:43:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi In-Reply-To: <000901cc05ad$9eb98060$dc2c8120$@com> References: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <000901cc05ad$9eb98060$dc2c8120$@com> Message-ID: <8CDD3C9D1DDA0DE-1B74-9909@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> Excellent! SURVEY SAYS: the guys on the east coast prefer PAYEN the guys on the west coast prefer solid gaskets simple answer to complex subject..... once again, success depends on everything being up to specifications, methinks. i gained considerably from the responses and it was greatly appreciated. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ ultimately, the Payen is likely the most forgiving...seems right. the solid gaskets work well when there is supreme attention to detail. the jury is still out on Cometic, but might be used more if it were configured closer to our needs. the use of gasket dressing is 'nothing' to several choices. I could buy into any of the choices and have a theory of my own for the steel shim gasket, but have not tried it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Thanks! this list is the best. i got about 20 responses. a nice sampling. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Tim Murphy To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:07 am Subject: RE: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi We have had good results with the Payen, which is what I think you mean by "OEM style, and it is still available from NWBP. At least it was a couple of weeks ago when I stocked up on them. We're running a bit above 11:1 C.R. We don't use any gasket dressing, as I recall. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:17 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi 1. OEM style gasket 2. OEM style gasket with copper wire in liner groove 3. Steel shim gasket with copper wire 4. Steel shim gasket w/out any wire. 5. Copper gasket with steel wire in head groove. 6. Cometic gasket Gasket dressing varies We have done most all with reasonable success....except Cometic. Surprised at limited number of responses..... and the variety of solutions. Perhaps gasket sealing is a non issue or everyone is busy changing head gaskets. It appears that OEM style is understandably the most forgiving, but concern remains that it might not work well with the typically modified head. Joe A I suppose we should assume that all surfaces and assemblies are in spec. I'd like to see a Cometic and try it...we have one on order but will not receive it in time for this engine assembly. Anyother comments.....?? = _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From riverside at southslope.net Thu Apr 28 09:42:06 2011 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:42:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Pistons Message-ID: <79B6D70EC7354C04903BF641B138992C@rileyPC> Anybody had experience with either JP or Nural pistons?? thanks! art de armond From jason at multivintage.com Thu Apr 28 14:46:46 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:46:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Justin Wagner Valve Cover gaskets and other GT6 gaskets Message-ID: Continuing Gt6 gasket sources conversations . Looks like most Gt6 racers use head gaskets closer to stock. If you need something different or custom made to spec...Mordy at gasketworks can deliver what you need... he only makes head gaskets. Now please on to Justin Wagner? You are making some sort of reusable silicone Valve Cover gaskets? upon recommendation from Mordy @ gasketworks can you please forward a product description and price? I need to buy a few Valve Cover Gaskets. Thank You, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From KENMUN at aol.com Fri Apr 29 12:51:47 2011 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:51:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] tr3/4 cyl liners Message-ID: <8bd3a.75ed97ff.3aec62c3@aol.com> fot. i need at least two good used 87mm liners. thanks, ken m. vintage tr3 racer. From budscars at comcast.net Fri Apr 29 14:20:54 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:20:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR2/TR3 wire wheel hubs NEEDED Message-ID: Hi Gang...If someone can help here please contact Kevin at the link in the request. Thanks Racer Bud Kevin Larkin is in need of front wire wheel hubs for drum brake TR2/TR3. These are for his TR based Doretti. If you have some or know of some please contact Kevin at kl at westek.com From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Apr 29 22:27:22 2011 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 04:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR-6 piston substitute In-Reply-To: <1458632813.1326343.1304137479408.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <543317331.1326537.1304137642908.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I am also looking for help with pistons for the Tr 6B I have been pointed to Wishbone classics because they have used a piston from a Mazda but have not received a reply. If anyone can pass along any info about this conversion it would be a a big help.B ThanksB B rob From sund_bug at colomail.com Mon Apr 25 21:27:34 2011 From: sund_bug at colomail.com (sund_bug at colomail.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:27:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Nite' - Message-ID: <20110425202734.8F24A6B1@resin14.mta.everyone.net> From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Apr 26 15:06:51 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:06:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lemon's TR6 scores a Grassroots Motorsports "Most from the Least Award" Message-ID: Subject: FW: Lemon's this weekend We raced out crap can TR6 in this past weekends "Hooptie" Lemon's race at Eagles Canyon in north Texas and we won an AWARD! After the race we received the Grassroots Motorsports Magazine "Most from the Least Award" for the best finisher in the crappiest car. The Hooptie was not well attended due to the Easter weekend thing. There were 40 or so cars, almost all of them Lemon's veterans. These are the fast guys, serious Lemonheads. The TR6 was one of the slowest cars there. Regardless, our dependability and consistency kept us on the track and we hovered around the top 20 all weekend, and yes the car does look crappy. You can't see the GoodParts in the suspension or the 1965 vintage ADDCO swaybars through all the rust and decals. Most of the drivers kept it clean and we only got three black flags all weekend, two for spins (yes, one was me) and one towards the end of the weekend when only the leaders (fast cars) were still on the track and they decided to pull us in to tell us to go faster and/or get out of the way better. We also had a couple of "hey your dragging something" flags when the speedo cable came loose and later when someone left a set of arm restraints in the car only to have them fall through the jacking hole....slowly enough that a corner worker saw it happen. Does everyone have those rubber plugs disappear like I do? I know, metal plates solve the problem...... Our car suffers from float bowl issues, stumbling badly coming out of turns, worse on lefthanders. The poor old car handles so well that it is very noticeable to the drivers that the stock engine, sputtering out of corners really hurts laps times. The Strombergs are going to be tossed and we'll replace them with some TR4 tested SU's for the future. We know how to work with those float bowls. The Lucas alternator never did work but Joe Hovey brought his "one wire" Geo Metro version from his race Spit and we enjoyed not having to swap batteries on Sunday. Typically, as the weekend progressed the clutch slave got a little pissy, if you know what I mean and shifting got harder late in the day. Power seemed to be going down too, but we messed with the timing "by ear" in a pit stop and probably got that wrong. The North Texas crew, JoeHovey, Bill Collins and Ed Barnard did a fabulous job for us. With 6 drivers, 3 crew, we had the event covered. They did a lot of running around, handled the fueling ($4.00 a gallon gas runs quickly through a TR6 at quasi race speeds), set tire pressures, bled brakes etc. They made the weekend spectacular from the experience standpoint. They'll all be driving in the Dec Lemon's race at Texas Motor Speedway, along with Bobby Whitehead, who not only regaled us with his singing and guitar playing Saturday night he, the Pawn Star of CVAR, sponsored much of the cost of this weekend for us. Bobby's singing was so good that it drunks from all over the garage area were wondering over to our pit. Thank you's go out to the Sherlock Homeboyz, V.1 who built the car and V.2 for a great weekend. Thanks to Tim Suddard for the nice plaque. We earned and deserved it! We love the way Tim and his two magazines support Triumphs and racing in general. It is quite an honor to take one of those home in a TR6, and I hereby make you an honorary member of the Homeboyz (don't reject us, please). I'd send it to you for your collection, but just pull one out of the box and say I did, OK? We got a little press, see the link below. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden ________________________________ From: Robert MacKenzie [mailto:robert at mackenzie.aero] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 8:20 AM To: Kramer, Robert; 'Greg & Alison Blake'; 'Andrew Kramer' Cc: jhovey1 at sbcglobal.net; 'Andrew Kramer'; 'Bob Baker'; Rblake36 at yahoo.com; igofaster at att.net; edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; 'William Collins'; 'Blake, Gregory S' Subject: RE: Lemon's this weekend You guys got some good press: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/04/huggy-bear-shos-galore-and-a-tr6-bs- inspections-at-the-north-dallas-hooptie-24-hours-of-lemons/ Robert MacKenzie President, Hill Country Triumph Club president at hillcountrytriumphclub.org www.hillcountrytriumphclub.org [cid:image001.jpg at 01CC042B.F4406EF0] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Apr 30 09:56:26 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 08:56:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR2/TR3 wire wheel hubs NEEDED In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <043301cc074f$29cad030$0301a8c0@randall> > Kevin Larkin is in need of front wire wheel hubs for > drum brake TR2/TR3. Has he tried TRF? They have them listed as available. PN 108277/108278; $200 each. https://secure.zeni.net/trf/ -- Randall From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sat Apr 30 10:06:07 2011 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:06:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR-6 piston substitute In-Reply-To: <543317331.1326537.1304137642908.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1458632813.1326343.1304137479408.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <543317331.1326537.1304137642908.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000a01cc0750$83fb14b0$8bf13e10$@rr.com> I'd love to hear about it too. Looking for cheap parts to build a fast street engine. Thanks, Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 11:27 PM To: team, FOT Subject: [Fot] TR-6 piston substitute I am also looking for help with pistons for the Tr 6B I have been pointed to Wishbone classics because they have used a piston from a Mazda but have not received a reply. If anyone can pass along any info about this conversion it would be a a big help.B ThanksB B rob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From donmarshall at nefcom.net Sat Apr 30 10:37:06 2011 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:37:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire oil cooler orientation Message-ID: I'm curious if anyone has their oil cooler mounted with the openings at the bottom and if there have been any problems. This is for a Spitfire with the 1147 engine. As best I can tell it was raced most of its life with the oil cooler feeding from the bottom so I'm guessing that it won't be a problem but I thought I'd check with the group just in case. From what I've read, there may be concerns about air getting trapped at the top of the cooler as well as the possibility of oil not making it all the way through and being less effective than it should. Does anyone have any direct experience with this? Thanks, Don -- From billb at bnj.com Sat Apr 30 10:55:50 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 09:55:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire oil cooler orientation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35886EA5-D52E-4E46-AD90-27241828A4D3@bnj.com> I've always done it that way. I suppose there could be a problem, but I've never seen one. I'll tell you for sure that if there's an air bubble it's a little one, when I drain the thing it always seems to have far more oil in it than it should hold--especially if I don't get the drain pan in the right place. I do, of course, make sure my oiling system is full by pre-running the pump with a drill before I open the Accusump and start the motor for the first time. On Apr 30, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Don Marshall wrote: > I'm curious if anyone has their oil cooler mounted with the openings at > the bottom and if there have been any problems. This is for a Spitfire > with the 1147 engine. As best I can tell it was raced most of its life > with the oil cooler feeding from the bottom so I'm guessing that it won't > be a problem but I thought I'd check with the group just in case. From > what I've read, there may be concerns about air getting trapped at the top > of the cooler as well as the possibility of oil not making it all the way > through and being less effective than it should. Does anyone have any > direct experience with this? Thanks, Don > > -- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spitlist at cox.net Sat Apr 30 11:19:56 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:19:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire oil cooler orientation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I tried mounting one with the openings at the bottom for obvious reasons. But I found that it put the hoses too close to the ground for my own confidence, so I turned it over. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Marshall Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 9:37 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire oil cooler orientation I'm curious if anyone has their oil cooler mounted with the openings at the bottom and if there have been any problems. This is for a Spitfire with the 1147 engine. As best I can tell it was raced most of its life with the oil cooler feeding from the bottom so I'm guessing that it won't be a problem but I thought I'd check with the group just in case. From what I've read, there may be concerns about air getting trapped at the top of the cooler as well as the possibility of oil not making it all the way through and being less effective than it should. Does anyone have any direct experience with this? Thanks, Don -- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com Sat Apr 30 13:36:27 2011 From: jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com (john preston) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 15:36:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire oil cooler orientation In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I mounted mine in front of the radiator on its side.. flat sides up and down with entrance and exits towards engine. I know it sounds strange but it seem to cool well, it easy to drain in the car, hoses are easy on and off. I have not had any problems ...yet. John Preston > From: spitlist at cox.net > To: donmarshall at nefcom.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:19:56 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire oil cooler orientation > > I tried mounting one with the openings at the bottom for obvious reasons. > But I found that it put the hoses too close to the ground for my own > confidence, so I turned it over. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Don Marshall > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 9:37 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire oil cooler orientation > > I'm curious if anyone has their oil cooler mounted with the openings at > the bottom and if there have been any problems. This is for a Spitfire > with the 1147 engine. As best I can tell it was raced most of its life > with the oil cooler feeding from the bottom so I'm guessing that it won't > be a problem but I thought I'd check with the group just in case. From > what I've read, there may be concerns about air getting trapped at the top > of the cooler as well as the possibility of oil not making it all the way > through and being less effective than it should. Does anyone have any > direct experience with this? Thanks, Don > > -- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com From igofaster at att.net Sat Apr 30 21:08:14 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me Message-ID: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> After a wonderful 1st experience with 24 hr of Lemons.. I decided I needed a $500 project for Lemons. Viola !!! A 1993 Miata is in my near future. Hey... with 3 Triumphs, I needed something to work on... Bobby Whitehead From ac at camoletti.ch Fri Apr 1 03:56:23 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 11:56:23 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Tubular pushrods Message-ID: <004401cbf053$0f484f20$2dd8ed60$@camoletti.ch> Amici, Any thoughts about the TR3-4 tubular chrome moly pushrods sold by TRF at 99? Are these better or worse than the Moss tubular rods TT 1133? Comments appreciated before I purchase! Thank you and enjoy the we! Alex From brad.kahler at 141.com Fri Apr 1 18:29:37 2011 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 20:29:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Torque specs needed ASAP! Message-ID: I'm hoping someone will have a good idea of what torque to use for fastening the flywheel to Susan's 1300 Spitfire motor. It has a Moldex crank, aluminum flywheel and ARP bolts with ARP washers. The thread size is 3/8x24. I will also be using loctite during the install. Any suggestions on torque spec? Thanks! Brad From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Apr 1 19:38:35 2011 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 01:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Air dam Tr6 In-Reply-To: <1751383795.98835.1301707663280.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <698526733.99165.1301708315767.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hello everyoneB B Can anyone tell me how the stock air dam came to be and how effective it is. All the current racers i have seen are using a straight to the ground flat air damB Its in keeping with the brick motif. I am considering keepingB the stock air dam and dropping a skirt straight to the ground below it.B I B haven't a clue if this will be more effectiveB and perhapsB the single straight damB is best. I have never tested the car with out the stock air damB B as i think about it now itB could of been a simple change to make on a test dayB The rules and the B added material thing B are a drag. B I would love a projectB to plate to underside of the car with light aluminumB B B B B B Thanks for the feed backB B B B rob From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Apr 1 20:26:39 2011 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:26:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Air dam Tr6 In-Reply-To: <698526733.99165.1301708315767.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <698526733.99165.1301708315767.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <345F828C-7BBE-4CB8-A7CC-51F8FE74CB0A@wi.rr.com> Just be sure to duct the front brakes! Allen On Apr 1, 2011, at 8:38 PM, 19to1tr6 at comcast.net wrote: > Hello everyoneB B > > Can anyone tell me how the stock air dam came to be and how > effective it is. > All the current racers i have seen are using a straight to the > ground flat air > damB Its in keeping with the brick motif. I am considering > keepingB the > stock air dam and dropping a skirt straight to the ground below > it.B I > B haven't a clue if this will be more effectiveB and perhapsB the > single > straight damB is best. I have never tested the car with out the > stock air > damB B as i think about it now itB could of been a simple change > to make on > a test dayB The rules and the B added material thing B are a drag. > B I > would love a projectB to plate to underside of the car with light > aluminumB B B B B B Thanks for the feed backB B B B rob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Apr 1 20:56:36 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:56:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Torque specs needed ASAP! Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E73638@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> The ARP instruction sheet should come into play here. Mine says 40 lb/ft with ARP Moly Lube or 60 lb/ft with 30 weight. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Fri Apr 01 19:29:37 2011 Subject: [Fot] Torque specs needed ASAP! I'm hoping someone will have a good idea of what torque to use for fastening the flywheel to Susan's 1300 Spitfire motor. It has a Moldex crank, aluminum flywheel and ARP bolts with ARP washers. The thread size is 3/8x24. I will also be using loctite during the install. Any suggestions on torque spec? Thanks! Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Fri Apr 1 23:43:25 2011 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:43:25 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 QUAIFE Straight Cut Gear Set Message-ID: Anyone using the QUAIFE straight cut gear set for TR4-6? I have a particular question reading the set up of the Lay/Countershaft gear and the STD thrust washers. The QUAIFE set has a portion of the centre gear protruding through and past the gear. This means that the splined shaft actually runs on the LARGE thrust washers instead of a nice ground face like the STD original. That just doesn't make any sense to me! Cheers. 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[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image003.jpg] From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat Apr 2 03:13:29 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 19:13:29 +1000 Subject: [Fot] alloy water pump housing TR6 Message-ID: can anyone point me towards a reputable supplier of an alloy water pump housing for the 6 cyl engine. thanks Terry From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Apr 2 06:09:12 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 08:09:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR & Kas' new book. will bring to VIR if you wish. Message-ID: <8CDBF45E98FA0DE-21E0-31A9@webmail-d136.sysops.aol.com> FOT @ VIR If you want to save shipping costs, I will bring Kas' newest book to those who want one. Let me know and I will allocate one for you. Anything else? Joe From stutzmans at comcast.net Sat Apr 2 07:57:41 2011 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:57:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR Message-ID: <5F033A82933C44588B1D56BBDA3507D1@ComputerPC> Do any of you who are running at VIR have extra crew passes for a couple fellow travelers from WPTA? Bruce Stutzman and Ed Major From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sat Apr 2 11:37:07 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 12:37:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Torque specs needed ASAP! Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E7363F@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Barry's right on the chamfer of the bolt holes to clear the radius under the new bolt head. I bought new ones last year as direct replacements for the old ARP bolts. The heads popped off of three of them in the first session. We now have chamfered bolt holes. Scott B. ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Munson To: Barr, Scott Sent: Sat Apr 02 12:30:58 2011 Subject: RE: [Fot] Torque specs needed ASAP! Hi Brad - FYI - As I'm in the process of installing the flywheel on my TR3 motor using ARP flywheel bolts, the instructions emphasize the following: "Do NOT use any washers with ARP Flywheel Bolts. They are designed to be installed without them. ARP will NOT be responsible for failure resulting from using a washer with this kit. Make sure that flywheel bolt holes are chamfered adequately to clear radius under the head of the bolt." Torque specs are as Scott has indicated. Barry. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: April-01-11 8:57 PM To: brad.kahler at 141.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Torque specs needed ASAP! The ARP instruction sheet should come into play here. Mine says 40 lb/ft with ARP Moly Lube or 60 lb/ft with 30 weight. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Fri Apr 01 19:29:37 2011 Subject: [Fot] Torque specs needed ASAP! I'm hoping someone will have a good idea of what torque to use for fastening the flywheel to Susan's 1300 Spitfire motor. It has a Moldex crank, aluminum flywheel and ARP bolts with ARP washers. The thread size is 3/8x24. I will also be using loctite during the install. Any suggestions on torque spec? Thanks! Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/barry at penybryn.ca From klynch_6 at msn.com Sat Apr 2 17:46:23 2011 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:46:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 trans cover pattern ? Message-ID: Group: With our brief warm spell here, am finally reassembling the #6 car. While doing so I was mulling over replacing my forlorn looking t-cover with alum. sheet. Have a half sheet that's been lurking in the shed for 3-4 yrs. Any thoughts, or GT6/Spit bucks/patterns exist I could duplicate ? good weekend all - Kevin From mark at bradakis.com Sat Apr 2 18:17:03 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 18:17:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 trans cover pattern ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D97BC7F.4050402@bradakis.com> Keep in mind that the starter on the GT6 is on the right side, the left side on a Spit. The clearance bulges are different. We've been getting some warm spring weather here in Salt Lake, I may actually get out to the garage and take care of some long overdue car stuff this weekend. mjb. From herald948 at aol.com Sat Apr 2 20:26:00 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 22:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 trans cover pattern ? In-Reply-To: <4D97BC7F.4050402@bradakis.com> References: <4D97BC7F.4050402@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CDBFBD9AEE6875-185C-A621@webmail-d031.sysops.aol.com> On the other hand, a later Herald 1200 cover is the same shape all around. The only difference is the location of the hole for the shift lever, which is further back on the Vitesse/GT6 than on the Herald. (Earlier Herald covers are the same as Spitfire.) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis Keep in mind that the starter on the GT6 is on the right side, the left side on a Spit. The clearance bulges are different. From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Apr 3 09:20:16 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 11:20:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 trans cover pattern ? Message-ID: <2e0a7.6c8631f1.3ac9ea30@aol.com> I'm about to embark on the same project, even have the sheet already. One poser that I'm still stewing on is the front flange to the firewall cutout. I'm thinking this should be thicker, maybe .125. Beyond that, I'm thinking of bringing the sides straight down to use Dzus fasteners instead of the stock bent flange and screws. Maybe even rubeer stretch grips, whqatever they're called... In a message dated 4/2/2011 7:54:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: On the other hand, a later Herald 1200 cover is the same shape all around. The only difference is the location of the hole for the shift lever, which is further back on the Vitesse/GT6 than on the Herald. (Earlier Herald covers are the same as Spitfire.) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis Keep in mind that the starter on the GT6 is on the right side, the left side on a Spit. The clearance bulges are different. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From jason at multivintage.com Sun Apr 3 16:33:37 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 17:33:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 trans cover pattern ? In-Reply-To: <2e0a7.6c8631f1.3ac9ea30@aol.com> References: <2e0a7.6c8631f1.3ac9ea30@aol.com> Message-ID: The Dzus is a great idea. Ive been wanting to do that too. Those screws seem to have to come off quite often...I have to take mine off after every session to examine whats leaking or flapping in the breeze. Also, take into consideration that the gap between the firewall and the tunnel cover CAN catch the edge of the gas peddle and trap it. Glued to the floor. "ALL IN" with no hope of slowing down. Don't ask how I know this, but I'm a bit paranoid about it and currently ritualize five pieces of duct tape to seal the gap before every session. Yikes! In spite of mine being a nice custom fiberglass an aluminum cover I have plans to make the edge by the accelerator extend way over to the left and somehow attach under the gas peddle. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing. On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 10:20 AM, wrote: One poser that I'm still stewing on is the front flange to the firewall cutout. I'm thinking this should be thicker, maybe .125. Beyond that, I'm thinking of bringing the sides straight down to use Dzus fasteners instead of the stock bent flange and screws. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Apr 4 02:51:02 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 10:51:02 +0200 Subject: [Fot] BARRY MUNSON'S NEW FOT PATCHES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001001cbf2a5$70ba6320$522f2960$@com> Ladies and Gentlemen, especially Barry Munson, I'm deeply honored to get one of these FOT patches! It was a big surprise to find a letter from Canada at my letterbox and inside the envelope the FOT patch. The patch is really looking great and I'm proud to wear it on my race gear over my heart. Thank you for sending this to me. Cheers Chris From donmarshall at nefcom.net Mon Apr 4 07:23:37 2011 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 09:23:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR this weekend Message-ID: If anyone is still on the fence about coming to VIR this weekend, now's the time to jump off and start packing. I just took a look at the schedule and there are 6 practice sessions, 3 races PLUS a one hour enduro for us. That's over 5 hours on track for $400. You can't beat that anywhere, not to mention that it's held at one of the finest facilities in the country and gives you a chance to hang with lots of your Triumph buddies. Last I heard, we're expecting between 15 and 20 Triumph race cars, as well as a goodly number of Triumph folks who are coming without their cars. If you do come, be sure to join us in the Triumph Ghetto on Friday evening for dinner. Don -- From fogbro1 at comcast.net Mon Apr 4 09:35:33 2011 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 15:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 86mm TR4 Grant Piston Rings Message-ID: <1152844864.555650.1301931333162.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> List, In attempting to assemble the 3 piece oil control ring, I found that the expander-spacer is too long, preventing the installation of the two other rings of this set. The expander-spacer also does not fit the bore. No big surprise, but I thought I'd check it in the bore as well as on the piston. All other rings, compression and oil, fit the 86mm std. bore with a .012 gap. I tried the oil control ring set from the second Grant ring set with the same result. The (used) pistons are British made AE, 4 ring. They were installed with the current liners as the engine came to me. There is virtually no wear in piston or liner. The liners were honed to break the glaze. I have on hand two sets of Grant rings for these pistons. A few questions for the List: 1. Has anyone experienced this problem with Grant ring sets? 2. Should I just forget about the expander ring set and use a single, plain oil ring above the wrist pin? 3. Should I use two standard oil rings, one above and one below the wrist pin by using an additional ring from the second ring set? Any insights/comments welcome. Ed Woods From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Mon Apr 4 12:35:40 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 14:35:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] 86mm TR4 Grant Piston Rings Message-ID: <38fdc.3e4a229a.3acb697c@aol.com> You'll probably file to achieve the correct gap or check and make sure they are the right manufacturer. How big in diameter are they? Sam In a message dated 4/4/2011 10:59:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, fogbro1 at comcast.net writes: List, In attempting to assemble the 3 piece oil control ring, I found that the expander-spacer is too long, preventing the installation of the two other rings of this set. The expander-spacer also does not fit the bore. No big surprise, but I thought I'd check it in the bore as well as on the piston. All other rings, compression and oil, fit the 86mm std. bore with a .012 gap. I tried the oil control ring set from the second Grant ring set with the same result. The (used) pistons are British made AE, 4 ring. They were installed with the current liners as the engine came to me. There is virtually no wear in piston or liner. The liners were honed to break the glaze. I have on hand two sets of Grant rings for these pistons. A few questions for the List: 1. Has anyone experienced this problem with Grant ring sets? 2. Should I just forget about the expander ring set and use a single, plain oil ring above the wrist pin? 3. Should I use two standard oil rings, one above and one below the wrist pin by using an additional ring from the second ring set? Any insights/comments welcome. Ed Woods _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From donmarshall at nefcom.net Mon Apr 4 14:22:47 2011 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (donmarshall at nefcom.net) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 16:22:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil on sale Message-ID: <20110404202318.D936E291A95@smtp1.av-mx.com> If you use Valvoline VR1 racing oil, Autozone it on sale for $2.50 a quart, but apparently today is the last day of the sale so if you use VR1 it's worth a quick drive to the store. My store happened to be out but they sold me a case and will get it for me tomorrow. -- From donmarshall at nefcom.net Mon Apr 4 14:24:44 2011 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 16:24:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil on sale Message-ID: If you use Valvoline VR1 racing oil, Autozone has it on sale for $2.50 a quart, but apparently today is the last day. My store happened to be out but they sold me a case and will get it for me tomorrow or the next day. Don -- From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Apr 4 15:14:45 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 16:14:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil on sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Don. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Marshall Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil on sale If you use Valvoline VR1 racing oil, Autozone has it on sale for $2.50 a quart, but apparently today is the last day. My store happened to be out but they sold me a case and will get it for me tomorrow or the next day. Don -- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Mon Apr 4 16:10:03 2011 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 22:10:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil on sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We had the same Autozone sale on VR1 out in Colorado a few weeks back. The store manager told me it was a mistake. I showed him the ad, the signs on the shelf, and then had to convince him that honoring the advertised price was the "right thing to do". It didn't ring up at the register, but he eventually gave it to me anyway. Great deal. Ty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Kramer, Robert" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 16:14:45 To: Don Marshall; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VR1 oil on sale Thanks Don. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Marshall Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil on sale If you use Valvoline VR1 racing oil, Autozone has it on sale for $2.50 a quart, but apparently today is the last day. My store happened to be out but they sold me a case and will get it for me tomorrow or the next day. Don -- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Apr 5 05:03:59 2011 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 07:03:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 4A Radiator Shroud Message-ID: FOT. I've had the pleasure to work with Richard Good over the last few months as he developed a SS Radiator Shroud for the TR4A. The finished product is very nice and I highly recommend it. As normally is the case it's made with care and quality materials. It's not yet listed in his paper catalog, maybe on the website, but an e-mail to Richard can get one in the mail to you. Website www.goodparts.com e-mail goodparts at verizon dot net JVV From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Apr 5 05:07:10 2011 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 07:07:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 4A Radiator Shroud Message-ID: I meant to also add that he's developed shrouds for the TR4 as well as the TR250 this winter. FOT. I've had the pleasure to work with Richard Good over the last few months as he developed a SS Radiator Shroud for the TR4A. The finished product is very nice and I highly recommend it. As normally is the case it's made with care and quality materials. It's not yet listed in his paper catalog, maybe on the website, but an e-mail to Richard can get one in the mail to you. Website www.goodparts.com e-mail goodparts at verizon dot net JVV From igofaster at att.net Tue Apr 5 09:55:58 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 08:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Richard Good @ goodparts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <628803.66372.qm@web180813.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello FoT... I too purchased some Good Parts from Richard Good. I cannot say enough about quality, fit, and design being perfect. Barbra and I have a 1971 TR6 that is pretty nice. I've been trying to get the dang proportion valve addressed from leaking and leaking and leaking. I had restored all the brake system last year and got side tracked with the GT6 race car. Back onto the TR6 I had ordered the Aadco sway bars from Moss a few years back and while the car was off the ground I installed the rear bar with little issues. The front sway bar needed to have holes re-drilled in the skid plate. I wasn't comfortable re-engineering the sway bar mounts. I had earlier purchased the air filter setup from goodparts.com and the radiator shroud. I had forgotten to order the air box set up for the stock Strombergs. With Richard on the phone, very kind and very patient, he stated a stock air box for the TR6 would have to be assembled. It was here in less than 10 days AND I ordered the front sway bar too. The dang engine bay looks pretty nice now, the goodparts stuff is stunning and very well engineered. The front sway bar is a work of art. I'm very happy and very pleased and will continue to use and recommend this quality guy with the quality stuff... No financial interest whatsoever.... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Jerry Van Vlack To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 6:03:59 AM Subject: [Fot] TR 4A Radiator Shroud FOT. I've had the pleasure to work with Richard Good over the last few months as he developed a SS Radiator Shroud for the TR4A. The finished product is very nice and I highly recommend it. As normally is the case it's made with care and quality materials. It's not yet listed in his paper catalog, maybe on the website, but an e-mail to Richard can get one in the mail to you. Website www.goodparts.com e-mail goodparts at verizon dot net JVV _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Wed Apr 6 14:59:18 2011 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 15:59:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: Afternoon members, Need a set of disc brake caliper cores for Ted @ TSI. I sent him 16PB caliper cores. He needs 16P. These are GT6, TR4 TR6 from what he told me. The difference between 16P and 16PB is the diameter of the pad retaining pins and holes. The 16P is the larger size pin while the 16PB is the smaller one. I am leaving for VIR and the VDCA race tomorrow. So if you got any 16P to trade fro 16PB's and or I will buy outright the 16P that Ted wants me to return. Beer bribery is available, brand of your choice. I will not be able to access e mail tomorrow so call me on my cell @ 615-347-0260 if you want to get me out of this jam. Thank as always!!! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From markvaden at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 15:14:38 2011 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 14:14:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr6 gearbox adapter bracket Message-ID: Does anyone have a TR6 gearbox mounting crossmember, adaptor, and bracket they would be willing to part with? Items 100-102 in the diagram from the following moss link: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=32713&SortOrder=109 Thanks, Mark From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat Apr 9 20:04:10 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:04:10 +1000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 bonnet query Message-ID: does anyone know if the Mk3 bonnet can be fitted to the earler model cars?? thanks, terry From spitlist at cox.net Sat Apr 9 20:30:08 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 19:30:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 bonnet query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D8C2BF1AA52407E9E8D1A8B7BF02B65@Vista> You'd have to change out the hinges since they varied between the three models, but I can't think of a reason that it would not otherwise fit. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 7:04 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] GT6 bonnet query does anyone know if the Mk3 bonnet can be fitted to the earler model cars?? thanks, terry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From herald948 at aol.com Sat Apr 9 20:29:07 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 22:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 bonnet query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDC53E316F5F87-1D48-6D676@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> Yes. It will line up with the older body just fine. You would need to use the hinge boxes on the front crossmember from the Mk3, as well as the quarter valences, etc. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Enquiries Road & Track To: fot Sent: Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:12 pm Subject: [Fot] GT6 bonnet query does anyone know if the Mk3 bonnet can be fitted to the earler model cars?? From spitlist at cox.net Sat Apr 9 23:21:39 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 22:21:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 Message-ID: <4961384C066345B2B91419E5C29F26D7@Vista> Anyone staying up to watch the Malaysia GP live? Joe C. From jason at multivintage.com Sat Apr 9 23:29:35 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 05:29:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] F1 Message-ID: 2 more hours. Jason friendly ghost racing gt6 ------Original Message------ From: Joe Curry Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] F1 Sent: Apr 10, 2011 12:21 AM Anyone staying up to watch the Malaysia GP live? Joe C. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From wes at hsrca.org.au Sat Apr 9 23:54:48 2011 From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:54:48 +1000 Subject: [Fot] F1 In-Reply-To: <4961384C066345B2B91419E5C29F26D7@Vista> Message-ID: At least a few of the F1 GPs take place at a "friendly" time for us Aussies. This one is at 6:00 Sydney time.Anyone welcome to "hop down" and join us in front of the telly. Wes Dayton p.s Go Mark Webber. On 10/04/11 3:21 PM, "Joe Curry" wrote: >Anyone staying up to watch the Malaysia GP live? > > > >Joe C. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wes at hsrca.org.au From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Sun Apr 10 01:27:06 2011 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 03:27:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] F1 In-Reply-To: <4961384C066345B2B91419E5C29F26D7@Vista> References: <4961384C066345B2B91419E5C29F26D7@Vista> Message-ID: > Anyone staying up to watch the Malaysia GP live? > > > > Joe C. Yeah. Been troubled with insomnia anyway, so... John H. From spitlist at cox.net Sun Apr 10 01:34:34 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:34:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 In-Reply-To: References: <4961384C066345B2B91419E5C29F26D7@Vista> Message-ID: <9FDD47FFCAC04FB9A43B70BDC23AA0CB@Vista> I hope this race won't cure your insomnia! Some of them have been rather boring. Rain in the forecast is promising. Joe C. _____ From: John Herrera [mailto:jrherrera90 at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 12:27 AM To: spitlist at cox.net; Friends of Triumph Subject: RE: [Fot] F1 > Anyone staying up to watch the Malaysia GP live? > > > > Joe C. Yeah. Been troubled with insomnia anyway, so... John H. From vintage.racer at comcast.net Sun Apr 10 20:17:53 2011 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 02:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 for sale Message-ID: <937228420.60669.1302488273776.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> 1962 TR4 vintage racecar for sale. Fully sorted, needs nothing, race ready. Have the car in time to enter the Kastner Cup event at Laguna Seca in June. Info/pictures 3tr67 at comcast.net From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sun Apr 10 21:39:35 2011 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:39:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2011 Kastner Cup entry deadline info / Posters References: <1A06FAD6-9FAF-42D9-8B59-6E53055FE012@stevebelfer.com> Message-ID: FOT, Many racers are planning on entering the Kastner Cup June 7-8 but have not sent in their entry. Most have a few races leading up to our big race and want to make sure their car is in good working order before writing the check for this event at Laguna Seca. The deadline for entries to be received for the race is May 23rd. The last day to receive a refund, should you choose to cancel your racing plans, is May 30th. I've reached out to many Triumph Clubs and received a very enthusiastic response. Many of them are printing our Kastner Cup flyer in their newsletters. Once again, if you need a copy of the entry form to print out, please send me a private email and I'll send it to you right away. With the help of Joe Alexander and the VTR, we have printed a bunch of Kastner Cup 2011 posters that I designed featuring John Nikas' historic Sebring TR4 in action. Please email me if you would like a poster (or several), along with your name, address, and vintage racing organization and help get your poster(s) to you. The first one is a freebie but we may need to charge a buck or two for extras to recoup printing costs. ~Steve Belfer colordog.1 at earthlink.net From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Mon Apr 11 07:02:26 2011 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 9:02:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Good Buy for Koni shocks TR2,3,4 Message-ID: <20110411130226.GDV4G.24365.root@cdptpa-web10-z01> A really good buy can be had for Koni shocks for the TR2,3,4. $84.00 per shock. Use the link below. http://www.soloperformance.com/Koni-80-1005_p_530.html Bob From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Wed Apr 13 10:24:54 2011 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 11:24:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stuff that needs a home -- I need engine money!!!!!!!! Message-ID: Members, Here's a list of some goodies that I have that need a new home: - Spitfire 1300/1500 "GOODE Parts" brand new never used roller rocker assembly News sells for 550.00. Sell for 475.00! - Spitfire 1300/1500 Complete Cannon intake manifold with 45 Webber and linkage. Was running Great on my race Spit Race car when removed $450.00 - Triumph1300 JE Forged pistons 0.030 over used but in excellent condition with Pins and locks Set of 4 $150.00 - Pertronix Second Strike electronic ignition box with built in rev limiter, like new with manuals etc etc (Basically like a MSD system) $175.00. New ones sell for $320-350.00! - Carrillo Triumph 1300 connecting rods, set of 4 used but excellent condition $450.00. I have pics of these parts if you need to see them, just e mail me. I am not a fan of Pay Pal as the fees kill a lot of the dollars. Most of you know of me or at least know who I am so I prefer checks that can clear the bank and then I will ship the items. You will get the parts and they are as described. Hey I'll be at Atlanta for the Mitty the 28/29/30 of April so I can deliver them there if you want. Questions are fine, offers if reasonable will be considered as well thanks!! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From brad.kahler at 141.com Wed Apr 13 11:06:36 2011 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:06:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New spitfire camshaft blanks Message-ID: Amici, Anyone know if new camshaft blanks are available for the 1300 spitfire engines? Thanks, Brad From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Apr 13 17:19:25 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:19:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] OD in a spit Message-ID: <307ECFEE-8496-42A8-BF6D-460FBBF8EA0B@aol.com> I have a chance to get a bunch of spit parts. One of the most important is an OD unit. The car is a 1974 91cc engine. My question is what type of OD unit is in it? Is there any other parts that anyone else is interested in? From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Wed Apr 13 17:51:37 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:51:37 EDT Subject: [Fot] OD in a spit Message-ID: <95af4.18bf720f.3ad79109@aol.com> I believe it is a D type. Sam In a message dated 4/13/2011 6:39:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, SeaCubeCo at aol.com writes: I have a chance to get a bunch of spit parts. One of the most important is an OD unit. The car is a 1974 91cc engine. My question is what type of OD unit is in it? Is there any other parts that anyone else is interested in? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Apr 13 18:21:01 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:21:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners Message-ID: I was eying my buddies ultrasonic cleaner in his garage over the weekend. Thinking hmmm that's probably big enough to drop my carbs still attached to the manifold into. Pull the dash pots and fuel bowl covers off and submerge. Good idea? bad idea? Going to do any damage? Marty From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Wed Apr 13 19:33:01 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:33:01 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners Message-ID: <99b7c.77fa19d3.3ad7a8cd@aol.com> Only if you think clean is damage. Should work pretty well. Sam In a message dated 4/13/2011 7:42:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, trmarty at hotmail.com writes: I was eying my buddies ultrasonic cleaner in his garage over the weekend. Thinking hmmm that's probably big enough to drop my carbs still attached to the manifold into. Pull the dash pots and fuel bowl covers off and submerge. Good idea? bad idea? Going to do any damage? Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com From fpspitfire at comcast.net Wed Apr 13 21:09:38 2011 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 03:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners In-Reply-To: <99b7c.77fa19d3.3ad7a8cd@aol.com> Message-ID: <301303448.3755398.1302750578239.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I remember when we removed the TriChlor tanks at work and replaced with the ultrasonic cleaners...it was horrible.B You could just drop parts into the trichlor and they came out warm, dry and grease free.B B with the ultrasonic tanks it takes a bit longer, and you need to make sure there is a rust inhibitor in the rinse tank. We do not allow ultrasonic on some components at work, primarily assemblies because the ultrasonic cause the parts have high frequency impacts and can cause damage.B With a carb set, it might not be that big a deal and ultrasonic will do a nice job in cleaning.B If you are going to use on steels, rust inhibitor is a must or you will get corrosion almost as quick as you take it out of the tank. aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com To: trmarty at hotmail.com, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, 13 April, 2011 9:33:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners Only if you think clean is damage. B Should work pretty well. B Sam B B In a message dated 4/13/2011 7:42:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, B trmarty at hotmail.com writes: I was B eying my buddies ultrasonic cleaner in his garage over the B weekend. Thinking hmmm that's probably big enough to drop my carbs still B attached to the manifold into. B Pull the dash pots and fuel bowl B covers off and submerge. Good idea? bad idea? Going to do any B damage? Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: B http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: B http://www.team.net/archive Forums: B http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: B http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fpspitfire at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Wed Apr 13 21:59:17 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:59:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners References: <301303448.3755398.1302750578239.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <539563D9EEF64A34B1A503711F463295@Bud> what about denatured alcohol for cleaning? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners >I remember when we removed the TriChlor tanks at work and replaced with the > ultrasonic cleaners...it was horrible.B You could just drop parts into > the > trichlor and they came out warm, dry and grease free.B B with the > ultrasonic > tanks it takes a bit longer, and you need to make sure there is a rust > inhibitor in the rinse tank. > > > > We do not allow ultrasonic on some components at work, primarily > assemblies > because the ultrasonic cause the parts have high frequency impacts and can > cause damage.B > > > > With a carb set, it might not be that big a deal and ultrasonic will do a > nice > job in cleaning.B > > > > If you are going to use on steels, rust inhibitor is a must or you will > get > corrosion almost as quick as you take it out of the tank. > > > > aaron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com > To: trmarty at hotmail.com, fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, 13 April, 2011 9:33:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners > > Only if you think clean is damage. B Should work pretty well. > B > Sam > B > B > In a message dated 4/13/2011 7:42:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, B > trmarty at hotmail.com writes: > > I was B eying my buddies ultrasonic cleaner in his garage over the B > weekend. > Thinking hmmm that's probably big enough to drop my carbs still B attached > to > the manifold into. B Pull the dash pots and fuel bowl B covers off and > submerge. > Good idea? bad idea? Going to do any B damage? > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: B http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: B http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: B http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: B http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trdoctor at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fpspitfire at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Apr 13 22:00:28 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:00:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic Cleaners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <057b01cbfa58$7de72f00$0301a8c0@randall> > Good idea? bad idea? Going to do any damage? Won't hurt the carbs unless there is a very aggressive solvent in there. But you might want to double-check with your buddy first. Many years ago, a friend of mine tried to clean some brake shoes in an ultrasonic bath where we both worked night shift. It ruined not only the shoes (by dissolving the bonding to the lining), but all of the parts they made the next day turned out bad! I wonder why? -- Randall From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Apr 14 10:22:46 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:22:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] REAR SEAL FOR CRANK-SCROLL GROUND OFF -NEEDED Message-ID: <8CDC8D7534518E9-1758-90CA@webmail-d007.sysops.aol.com> FOT, We are installing a billet crank that happens to be modified for a lip seal. Does anyone have one not in use and available for sale? Getting ready for Laguna Seca....... :-) Thanks....could trade for the superior new MAD MARX seal kit. Joe A. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Apr 14 11:24:48 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:24:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ballasted ignitions Message-ID: I'm hoping the knowledgeable folks on this list can help me figure out a problem on our Lemon's TR6. We built the car out of a pile of scrap so we have pretty basic stock stuff. We are running a stock distributor, points, condenser, new cap, new upgraded wires, stock type non ballasted coil. We made up a simple wiring harness and I felt that it was important to ballast the ignition circuit, so I used a Mallory resistor in line to the coil. The engine runs extremely well up to about 5 grand and then starts spitting and coughing. We have tried various timing settings yet we can't get it to run as well as my stock TR6 in the high ranges. There is a chance that the cam isn't timed right as we didn't touch that part of the engine. We have plenty of fuel pressure too. Could the ballast be causing this malady? I use the same setup in my racecar, but with a much better coil and a Mallory distributor. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell From billb at bnj.com Thu Apr 14 12:16:10 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:16:10 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Ballasted ignitions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B6E8727-E359-4EB3-8691-F2E5D4BEE74D@bnj.com> Check the runout in the distributor--nothing fancy, just wiggle the shaft with the rotor off. Put a good timing light on the thing and rev it to the point it starts to miss. You'll probably see light start to get irregular if it's a spark problem. Check your condensor--common problem these days, they all suck. A condenser with the enamel cleaned off and the grounding lug soldered to the case and a ten buck coil might fix everything. I dimly recall a quick and dirty cam timing check that uses overlap, but if the engine starts and runs your cam timing probably isn't too bad. On Apr 14, 2011, at 7:24 AM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > I'm hoping the knowledgeable folks on this list can help me figure out a > problem on our Lemon's TR6. We built the car out of a pile of scrap so we have > pretty basic stock stuff. We are running a stock distributor, points, > condenser, new cap, new upgraded wires, stock type non ballasted coil. We made > up a simple wiring harness and I felt that it was important to ballast the > ignition circuit, so I used a Mallory resistor in line to the coil. The engine > runs extremely well up to about 5 grand and then starts spitting and coughing. > We have tried various timing settings yet we can't get it to run as well as my > stock TR6 in the high ranges. There is a chance that the cam isn't timed right > as we didn't touch that part of the engine. We have plenty of fuel pressure > too. Could the ballast be causing this malady? I use the same setup in my > racecar, but with a much better coil and a Mallory distributor. > > Bob Kramer > Texas Rental Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-687-7422 Office > 512-657-8526 Cell > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From jfrymark at aol.com Thu Apr 14 14:26:13 2011 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:26:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic cleaners Message-ID: <4285FD4E-CC11-4B5A-B21A-295BB92D8006@aol.com> I ran a business building and selling industrial ultrasonic cleaners and the very best automotive applications were for carbs and auto transmissions (no greasy dirt). The key is time and temp. Optimal temp is 185*F and time depends on the material: soft metals go shorter duration. CA EPA aside, we never advised using solvents, only aqueous based cleaners (Brulin makes some exceptional products) followed by a thorough rinse and dry. NFI. John Frymark From jason at multivintage.com Thu Apr 14 15:05:00 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:05:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] gasket works Message-ID: Need to order some new gaskets for my GT6... Mordy I'm told you are the man with the product. Can you please email a product selection and prices. Thank you Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 From REK46 at aol.com Thu Apr 14 16:04:58 2011 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 18:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] gasket works Message-ID: <2144e.68dbd483.3ad8c98a@aol.com> and if you also have Spitfire ones, please add In a message dated 4/14/2011 5:31:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jason at multivintage.com writes: Need to order some new gaskets for my GT6... Mordy I'm told you are the man with the product. Can you please email a product selection and prices. Thank you Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Apr 14 16:41:20 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 22:41:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] gasket works Message-ID: <1641759383-1302820882-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1179645471-@bda712.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Stock thickness .o32 and stock bore sizes are sold though moss. Any other thickness or bore through me. M ------Original Message------ From: REK46 at aol.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: jason at multivintage.com To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] gasket works Sent: Apr 14, 2011 3:04 PM and if you also have Spitfire ones, please add In a message dated 4/14/2011 5:31:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jason at multivintage.com writes: Need to order some new gaskets for my GT6... Mordy I'm told you are the man with the product. Can you please email a product selection and prices. Thank you Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu Apr 14 18:05:43 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:05:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 63 spit parts Message-ID: <3D7C808A-4E99-4821-917D-C81A9B6069C4@aol.com> Amici A friend needs help locating body parts Bonnet Left rear quarter panel Rear valence We are located on the eastern shore of Maryland Thanks From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Apr 14 18:14:49 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:14:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire clutch slave cylinder travel? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E7374D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Anybody have an idea of the proper/necessary distance for the travel of the clutch slave cylinder rod? How far should the rod move to fully disengage the clutch? From budscars at comcast.net Thu Apr 14 19:17:32 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 18:17:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire clutch slave cylinder travel? References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E7374D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <7A6624691D1F4882BBADA54D27DFBE0B@Bud> Scott..a stock rod is fine...If you have gone to a different clutch disc, you may need small spacers(washers) between the pressure plate and the flywheel...1/4" washer makes a Huge difference..that's what I have on my Spitfire.(I went thru the whole deal of thinking i needed a different length rod) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 5:14 PM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire clutch slave cylinder travel? > Anybody have an idea of the proper/necessary distance for the travel of > the clutch slave cylinder rod? How far should the rod move to fully > disengage the clutch? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From jfrymark at aol.com Thu Apr 14 19:40:14 2011 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 18:40:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic cleaners In-Reply-To: References: <4285FD4E-CC11-4B5A-B21A-295BB92D8006@aol.com> Message-ID: <817A0578-46F4-46E2-A04A-323EF969132B@aol.com> Marty, Seals and gaskets should be fine. Ultrasound really only works on "hard" surfaces. The sonic waves are just absorbed by soft surfaces. As long as the heat isn't a problem, seals should OK. I once cleaned Wheels with the tires mounted in a big cleaner. It worked great! John On Apr 14, 2011, at 5:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: > Thanks for the feedback John. I had not planned on doing a rebuild, > just cleaning off the ugly stuff. What do you think the cleaner > would do to the shaft seals and gaskets? > > Marty > > > From: jfrymark at aol.com > > To: trmarty at hotmail.com > > Subject: Ultrasonic cleaners > > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:26:13 -0700 > > CC: fot at autox.team.net > > > > I ran a business building and selling industrial ultrasonic cleaners > > and the very best automotive applications were for carbs and auto > > transmissions (no greasy dirt). The key is time and temp. Optimal > temp > > is 185*F and time depends on the material: soft metals go shorter > > duration. CA EPA aside, we never advised using solvents, only > aqueous > > based cleaners (Brulin makes some exceptional products) followed > by a > > thorough rinse and dry. NFI. > > > > John Frymark From billdentin at aol.com Thu Apr 14 20:02:34 2011 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 22:02:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic cleaners In-Reply-To: <817A0578-46F4-46E2-A04A-323EF969132B@aol.com> References: <4285FD4E-CC11-4B5A-B21A-295BB92D8006@aol.com> <817A0578-46F4-46E2-A04A-323EF969132B@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDC928525EA5F6-884-11D1C@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com> Amici... I am absolutely fascinated by all this info on Ultrasonic Cleaners. Of course my only first hand experience is for my dentures. True story. Bill (Damdinger) From ac at camoletti.ch Fri Apr 15 03:20:34 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:20:34 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic cleaners In-Reply-To: <8CDC928525EA5F6-884-11D1C@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com> References: <4285FD4E-CC11-4B5A-B21A-295BB92D8006@aol.com> <817A0578-46F4-46E2-A04A-323EF969132B@aol.com> <8CDC928525EA5F6-884-11D1C@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001801cbfb4e$60915830$21b40890$@camoletti.ch> Amici, indeed great info collected here! But for the ultrasonic newbie like me, what should I buy (reasonable budget) as cleaner and liquid to get started (size of tank should be approx. 10'') There are several on ebay, but I suspect most are crap? Thank you for your advice! Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de billdentin at aol.com Envoyi : vendredi 15 avril 2011 04:03 @ : jfrymark at aol.com; trmarty at hotmail.com Cc : fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] Ultrasonic cleaners Amici... I am absolutely fascinated by all this info on Ultrasonic Cleaners. Of course my only first hand experience is for my dentures. True story. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Apr 15 05:55:33 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:55:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] REAR SCROLL LIP SEAL.......SEVERAL AVAILABLE. Message-ID: <8CDC97B28B8673F-BA4-1E595@webmail-m126.sysops.aol.com> Thanks to all who responded....I have one on the way. There are several used and new available for crankshafts that have been modified by removing the scroll feature. If any FOT needs a kit. Joe A From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Apr 15 11:30:10 2011 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:30:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ultrasonic cleaners In-Reply-To: <001801cbfb4e$60915830$21b40890$@camoletti.ch> References: <4285FD4E-CC11-4B5A-B21A-295BB92D8006@aol.com> <817A0578-46F4-46E2-A04A-323EF969132B@aol.com> <8CDC928525EA5F6-884-11D1C@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com> <001801cbfb4e$60915830$21b40890$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: Alexandre, There are now a lot of very inexpensive ultrasonic cleaners on the market. I consider these best suited for at home jewerly cleaning (and dentures!). For the garage, look for one with a built in heater, timer, and stainless steel tank. There are good benchtop units made by Crest for small parts. For reference, see: http://www.crest-ultrasonics.com/powersonic-benchtop-cleaners.html Speedway Motors in the US has a heated Crest unit for about $340. John On Apr 15, 2011, at 2:20 AM, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: > Amici, indeed great info collected here! > But for the ultrasonic newbie like me, what should I buy (reasonable > budget) > as cleaner and liquid to get started (size of tank should be approx. > 10'') > There are several on ebay, but I suspect most are crap? > Thank you for your advice! > Cheers! > Alex > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > De la > part de billdentin at aol.com > Envoyi : vendredi 15 avril 2011 04:03 > @ : jfrymark at aol.com; trmarty at hotmail.com > Cc : fot at autox.team.net > Objet : Re: [Fot] Ultrasonic cleaners > > Amici... > > I am absolutely fascinated by all this info on Ultrasonic Cleaners. > > Of course my only first hand experience is for my dentures. > > True story. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From cofrog at q.com Fri Apr 15 12:45:47 2011 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Coil Resistance In-Reply-To: <210520951.229366.1302893084305.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <521553293.229397.1302893147706.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> I'm confused (again).B What coil resistance do I use with a Pertronix LU142A B Ignition?B I have two different cars and two different B setups.B A street TR4 which has the 1.5 ohm internal ballasted B coil and a TR4A racer with am external B ballast and a B 3 ohm coil.B Both are negative ground.B Some folks on the web say use only a 3 ohm coil (unballasted?) with the Pertronix.B It appears my coil shot craps on the street car and took out the I gnitor.B So I'm double checking what resistance coil is proper. I want to give kudos to Marvin at Pertronix who replaced the toasted LU142A eventhough it was out of warranty by a few weeks.B Thanks, Dan From cofrog at q.com Fri Apr 15 13:20:02 2011 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 15:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Bees? In-Reply-To: <521553293.229397.1302893147706.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <76544409.231302.1302895202105.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> I don't know where all the "B"s came from. My ISP (Qwest) changed my e-mail and it sucks! Sorry the email was hard to read. ----- Original Message ----- From: cofrog at q.com To: "triumph fot" , "triumph" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:45:47 PM Subject: [Fot] Coil Resistance I'm confused (again).B What coil resistance do I use with a Pertronix LU142A B Ignition?B I have two different cars and two different B setups.B A street TR4 which has the 1.5 ohm internal ballasted B coil and a TR4A racer with am external B ballast and a B 3 ohm coil.B Both are negative ground.B Some folks on the web say use only a 3 ohm coil (unballasted?) with the Pertronix.B It appears my coil shot craps on the street car and took out the I gnitor.B So I'm double checking what resistance coil is proper. I want to give kudos to Marvin at Pertronix who replaced the toasted LU142A eventhough it was out of warranty by a few weeks.B Thanks, Dan _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Apr 15 13:42:59 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:42:59 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Coil Resistance In-Reply-To: <521553293.229397.1302893147706.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <210520951.229366.1302893084305.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> <521553293.229397.1302893147706.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <000d01cbfba5$5538ea00$ffaabe00$@com> Pertronix likes 3 ohm. It doesn't care if you run a 1,5 ohm coil with a 1,5 ohm resistor or just a 3 ohm coil. Only 3 ohm. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von cofrog at q.com Gesendet: Freitag, 15. April 2011 20:46 An: triumph fot; triumph Betreff: [Fot] Coil Resistance I'm confused (again).B What coil resistance do I use with a Pertronix LU142A B Ignition?B I have two different cars and two different B setups.B A street TR4 which has the 1.5 ohm internal ballasted B coil and a TR4A racer with am external B ballast and a B 3 ohm coil.B Both are negative ground.B Some folks on the web say use only a 3 ohm coil (unballasted?) with the Pertronix.B It appears my coil shot craps on the street car and took out the I gnitor.B So I'm double checking what resistance coil is proper. I want to give kudos to Marvin at Pertronix who replaced the toasted LU142A eventhough it was out of warranty by a few weeks.B Thanks, Dan _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Apr 15 14:44:02 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:44:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Coil Resistance In-Reply-To: <000d01cbfba5$5538ea00$ffaabe00$@com> References: <210520951.229366.1302893084305.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> <521553293.229397.1302893147706.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> <000d01cbfba5$5538ea00$ffaabe00$@com> Message-ID: <030001cbfbad$dae42590$90ac70b0$@rr.com> > Pertronix likes 3 ohm. > It doesn't care if you run a 1,5 ohm coil with a 1,5 ohm resistor or > just a 3 ohm coil. > Only 3 ohm. I agree. Total has to be (approximately) 3 ohms, doesn't matter if it's a 3 ohm coil, or a 1.5 ohm coil plus a ballast resistor. Other combinations may appear to work at first, but risk burning out the module (1.5 ohm with no ballast), or producing high speed misfire (3 ohm plus a ballast). Note that the red wire to the module needs to get full 12v, it can't be to the coil if you are using a ballast between there and the switch. -- Randall From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Apr 15 15:14:36 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:14:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Coil Resistance In-Reply-To: <030001cbfbad$dae42590$90ac70b0$@rr.com> References: <210520951.229366.1302893084305.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com><521553293.229397.1302893147706.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com><000d01cbfba5$5538ea00$ffaabe00$@com> <030001cbfbad$dae42590$90ac70b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E73773@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << Note that the red wire to the module needs to get full 12v, it can't be to the coil if you are using a ballast between there and the switch.>> Sorry - between *where* and the switch? Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:44 PM To: 'triumph fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Resistance > Pertronix likes 3 ohm. > It doesn't care if you run a 1,5 ohm coil with a 1,5 ohm resistor or > just a 3 ohm coil. > Only 3 ohm. I agree. Total has to be (approximately) 3 ohms, doesn't matter if it's a 3 ohm coil, or a 1.5 ohm coil plus a ballast resistor. Other combinations may appear to work at first, but risk burning out the module (1.5 ohm with no ballast), or producing high speed misfire (3 ohm plus a ballast). Note that the red wire to the module needs to get full 12v, it can't be to the coil if you are using a ballast between there and the switch. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From pcdelux at verizon.net Sat Apr 16 09:35:25 2011 From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 11:35:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Coil Resistance References: <210520951.229366.1302893084305.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com><521553293.229397.1302893147706.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com><000d01cbfba5$5538ea00$ffaabe00$@com> <030001cbfbad$dae42590$90ac70b0$@rr.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E73773@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <003101cbfc4b$e86e4a80$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0> Scott, The power to the ignitor module red wire needs 12v. Not 12v fed thru a ballast which is no longer 12v. Run power from ign switch direct to coil(3ohm) or, run power from ign switch to ballast. From that same ballast terminal run power to module red wire. Run wire from other ballast terminal to ign coil (1.5ohm). Provided the ballast is also 1.5 ohm giving you 3ohm total resistance. Too low total coil circuit resistance overloads the ignitor module and shortens its life. Too high coil circuit resistance,say a 3ohm coil with a 1.5 ballast lowers the available current and can cause misfiring. Not all ignition systems are the same..you need to match the total circuit resistance to it's needs. I believe even different model ignitors could get away with lower or higher total coil circuit resistance. It should say in the instruction sheet. Hope this helps, Bill DeWar NJTA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: "Randall" ; "triumph fot" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Resistance > << Note that the red wire to the module needs to get full 12v, it can't > be to the coil if you are using a ballast between there and the > switch.>> > > Sorry - between *where* and the switch? > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Randall > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:44 PM > To: 'triumph fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Resistance > > > Pertronix likes 3 ohm. > > It doesn't care if you run a 1,5 ohm coil with a 1,5 ohm resistor or > > just a 3 ohm coil. > > Only 3 ohm. > > I agree. Total has to be (approximately) 3 ohms, doesn't matter if it's > a 3 > ohm coil, or a 1.5 ohm coil plus a ballast resistor. > Other combinations may appear to work at first, but risk burning out the > module (1.5 ohm with no ballast), or producing high speed misfire (3 ohm > plus a ballast). > > Note that the red wire to the module needs to get full 12v, it can't be > to > the coil if you are using a ballast between there and the switch. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux at verizon.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Apr 17 10:54:47 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:54:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Dick Stockton at Watkins Glen Message-ID: <2c2e2.7629fd1d.3adc7557@aol.com> Here's a video you guys might enjoy.... _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o) From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Apr 17 11:56:14 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:56:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] Dick Stockton at Watkins Glen Message-ID: <2e1ac.65cb3eb8.3adc83be@aol.com> Well Yeah, At 75 years young he's had time to learn some things... In a message dated 4/17/2011 10:11:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: Here's a video you guys might enjoy.... _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From kaskas at cox.net Sun Apr 17 12:19:16 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:19:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Dick Stockton at Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <2e1ac.65cb3eb8.3adc83be@aol.com> Message-ID: <20110417141916.9G1MP.153773.imail@fed1rmwml39> I've know Dick and seen him race for about 50 years I guess and he always been fast. He was the fastest driver in the first practice at Riverside Raceway at the first Runnoffs 1964 event and surprised everyone. (me too).He was also a GREAT engine builder. During the Competition Dept days he was the only East fellow with an engine dyno. He and his mother used to run his repair shop and made excellent powerful engines. I see that he still knows how to make the power. Good guy too. ---- Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: Well Yeah, At 75 years young he's had time to learn some things... In a message dated 4/17/2011 10:11:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: Here's a video you guys might enjoy.... _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From kaskas at cox.net Sun Apr 17 12:19:27 2011 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:19:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Dick Stockton at Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <2e1ac.65cb3eb8.3adc83be@aol.com> Message-ID: <20110417141927.6NPDD.153777.imail@fed1rmwml39> I've know Dick and seen him race for about 50 years I guess and he always been fast. He was the fastest driver in the first practice at Riverside Raceway at the first Runnoffs 1964 event and surprised everyone. (me too).He was also a GREAT engine builder. During the Competition Dept days he was the only East fellow with an engine dyno. He and his mother used to run his repair shop and made excellent powerful engines. I see that he still knows how to make the power. Good guy too. ---- Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: Well Yeah, At 75 years young he's had time to learn some things... In a message dated 4/17/2011 10:11:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: Here's a video you guys might enjoy.... _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5UweSaS3o) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From mini at wi.rr.com Sun Apr 17 22:08:20 2011 From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 23:08:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ballasted ignitions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DABB934.5060004@wi.rr.com> Some TR6's had a resistance wire (pink and white) to the coil. Be sure that you are not doubling up on the resistance, that could cause this problem. Richard Gehweiler Stonefield Vintage Garage, Ltd. On 4/14/2011 12:24 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > I'm hoping the knowledgeable folks on this list can help me figure out a > problem on our Lemon's TR6. We built the car out of a pile of scrap so we have > pretty basic stock stuff. We are running a stock distributor, points, > condenser, new cap, new upgraded wires, stock type non ballasted coil. We made > up a simple wiring harness and I felt that it was important to ballast the > ignition circuit, so I used a Mallory resistor in line to the coil. The engine > runs extremely well up to about 5 grand and then starts spitting and coughing. > We have tried various timing settings yet we can't get it to run as well as my > stock TR6 in the high ranges. There is a chance that the cam isn't timed right > as we didn't touch that part of the engine. We have plenty of fuel pressure > too. Could the ballast be causing this malady? I use the same setup in my > racecar, but with a much better coil and a Mallory distributor. > > Bob Kramer > Texas Rental Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-687-7422 Office > 512-657-8526 Cell > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mini at wi.rr.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Mon Apr 18 04:16:42 2011 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:16:42 +1000 Subject: [Fot] chasing NARDI steering wheel boss Message-ID: can anyone help me with a steering wheel boss/adaptor (with or without horn button) to fit a NARDI wheel onto a TR6? thanks, Terry From igofaster at att.net Mon Apr 18 07:57:44 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 06:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] shiny bits and pieces in the oil canister Message-ID: <92758.32011.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I ran Hallett last week with CVAR and was finally rewarded with placing 13 starting position, with Herb Hilton on my right and P.D. Sohn on my left. These guys are both very good drivers with very well prepared cars. I thought for a moment the skies opened up and I saw little angels. I highlight of my brief racing career. Later in the session (I finished 15th out of 29) that little red lamp on the dash started flickering. It was the cool down lap so I did my best to just coast into my garage space. Low oil pressure and higher oil temperature seemed to be the way the car was running. It was the first time I've used multi-viscosity oil and I think THAT was a mistake to start off with. I have a Canton external oil filter and after draining the oil with bits and pieces on the drain plug, the oil canister revealed shiny bits and pieces in the canister. Yesterday was the initial 'get the engine out of the car' mode. Today is the transmission and I should have the engine out. I saw some discussion about this a few weeks back about the Accusump and oil cooler and what the process is of removing the particles from these. Can someone remind me or is there a way to research this in the FoT thread of past? The GT6 holds about 8 quarts of oil in all my oil lines, filter, and Accusump. I've got a race at Eagles Canyon in May I've got my sites on. FoT Forever! Bobby Whitehead From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Apr 18 15:45:35 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 17:45:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LAGUNA SECA 9TH RUNNING OF THE KASTNER CUP.....A BRILLIANT POSTER Message-ID: <8CDCC2915B50574-14F0-66C86@webmail-m128.sysops.aol.com> FOT, This the 9th running of the Kastner Cup since Kas initiated the series with the FOT. This year marks the 3rd year that VTR and FOT have joined hands in the production of a commemorative poster honoring the Kastner Cup Event and venue. Blake Discher, president of the VTR, has permission to fund the poster and VTR'S Joe Pawlak's company has produced them at his cost. This year, Steve Belfer provided the artwork and layout and it features one of Kastner's Sebring TR4s owned by John Nikas. The DRIVERS, VTR MEMBERS, and VIP GUESTS will be recipients of the posters. Additional posters will be distributed at a very small cost, plus mailing tube and postage as necessary. Break even on this project is all that is sought. We will be having a number of VTR guests joining us at Laguna Seca. It is a good relationship and from time to time we pick up a new TRIUMPH VINTAGE RACER FROM THESE RANKS. Many of the FOT are members already and several are on the Board of Directors. FOT listers should consider membership in VTR. The VTR magazine features the FOT several times a year with articles and pictures. SUPPORT the VTR with YOUR membership. Finally, thanks to all who do the work that adds substance and style to the FOT. Joe A. From deweerdm at rogers.com Mon Apr 18 16:52:16 2011 From: deweerdm at rogers.com (MIKE DEWEERD) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <474815.70939.qm@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From mark at bradakis.com Mon Apr 18 21:14:56 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:14:56 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Well, shucks Message-ID: <20110419031456.165782E0D1@bradakis.com> That wasn't nice. Had a series of power bumps here at the house over the weekend that messed with my computers, like the main Team.Net server. That old Dell had been rock solid reliable, with an uptime of over 425 days. Oh well. Of course my computer troubles are nothing at all compared to the tornado havoc over the weekend. Hopefully no listers were seriously affected. I still remember what damage can be done by twisters from my years in the Midwest. When I did get the machines back up and running again a few things didn't quite work out, some software failed to start as it should. So you may have noticed no Team.Net email for a while. I was at work all day so I didn't notice until this evening. Sorry. We should be back in business now, though. Perhaps last week when I posted about 20 years of Team.Net I should have put in a pitch for some donations to acquire some newer, more stable hardware ( bigger UPS ) and some upgraded software. I certainly did recieve some donations, will hopefully get around to thanking folks in a day or two. So if you have a few bucks laying around and feel like helping to keep this Team.Net experiment around for another 20 years, feel free to visit http://www.team.net/donate.html - wait, I better update that file, the FAX machine is printing blank faxes, another bit of hardware I'll likely have to replace. Computers can be so much fun. Anyway, Team.Net email, forums and web pages should all be back to mostly normal, thank you for your patience. mjb. From billb at bnj.com Tue Apr 19 00:13:50 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 23:13:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] shiny bits and pieces in the oil canister In-Reply-To: <92758.32011.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <92758.32011.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20AFE675-E4B5-49E9-BF92-919BA18183DD@bnj.com> the accusump you can take apart and clean. the oil cooler is junk, unless it's after the oil filter. On Apr 18, 2011, at 6:57 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I ran Hallett last week with CVAR and was finally rewarded with placing 13 > starting position, with Herb Hilton on my right and P.D. Sohn on my left. These > guys are both very good drivers with very well prepared cars. I thought for a > moment the skies opened up and I saw little angels. I highlight of my brief > racing career. > > Later in the session (I finished 15th out of 29) that little red lamp on the > dash started flickering. It was the cool down lap so I did my best to just coast > into my garage space. > Low oil pressure and higher oil temperature seemed to be the way the car was > running. It was the first time I've used multi-viscosity oil and I think THAT > was a mistake to start off with. > I have a Canton external oil filter and after draining the oil with bits and > pieces on the drain plug, the oil canister revealed shiny bits and pieces in the > canister. > > Yesterday was the initial 'get the engine out of the car' mode. Today is the > transmission and I should have the engine out. > I saw some discussion about this a few weeks back about the Accusump and oil > cooler and what the process is of removing the particles from these. Can someone > remind me or is there a way to research this in the FoT thread of past? > The GT6 holds about 8 quarts of oil in all my oil lines, filter, and Accusump. > I've got a race at Eagles Canyon in May I've got my sites on. > > FoT Forever! > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From andre at gt6.ca Tue Apr 19 05:52:30 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 07:52:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] shiny bits and pieces in the oil canister In-Reply-To: <92758.32011.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <92758.32011.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yeah the Accusump does come apart, but I wonder if its better to replace it or have to cleaned by the manufacture? Good luck. A. On 18 April 2011 09:57, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I ran Hallett last week with CVAR and was finally rewarded with placing 13 > starting position, with Herb Hilton on my right and P.D. Sohn on my left. These > guys are both very good drivers with very well prepared cars. I thought for a > moment the skies opened up and I saw little angels. I highlight of my brief > racing career. > > Later in the session (I finished 15th out of 29) that little red lamp on the > dash started flickering. It was the cool down lap so I did my best to just coast > into my garage space. > Low oil pressure and higher oil temperature seemed to be the way the car was > running. It was the first time I've used multi-viscosity oil and I think THAT > was a mistake to start off with. > I have a Canton external oil filter and after draining the oil with bits and > pieces on the drain plug, the oil canister revealed shiny bits and pieces in the > canister. > > Yesterday was the initial 'get the engine out of the car' mode. Today is the > transmission and I should have the engine out. > I saw some discussion about this a few weeks back about the Accusump and oil > cooler and what the process is of removing the particles from these. Can someone > remind me or is there a way to research this in the FoT thread of past? > The GT6 holds about 8 quarts of oil in all my oil lines, filter, and Accusump. > I've got a race at Eagles Canyon in May I've got my sites on. > > FoT Forever! > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Apr 19 06:41:26 2011 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:41:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] shiny bits and pieces in the oil canister In-Reply-To: References: <92758.32011.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301cbfe8f$19164760$4b42d620$@rr.com> I sent mine in and had it "redone" by the factory a few years ago. Worked out great and far less expensive than a new one. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:53 AM To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] shiny bits and pieces in the oil canister Yeah the Accusump does come apart, but I wonder if its better to replace it or have to cleaned by the manufacture? Good luck. A. On 18 April 2011 09:57, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I ran Hallett last week with CVAR and was finally rewarded with placing 13 > starting position, with Herb Hilton on my right and P.D. Sohn on my left. These > guys are both very good drivers with very well prepared cars. I thought for a > moment the skies opened up and I saw little angels. I highlight of my brief > racing career. > > Later in the session (I finished 15th out of 29) that little red lamp on the > dash started flickering. It was the cool down lap so I did my best to just coast > into my garage space. > Low oil pressure and higher oil temperature seemed to be the way the car was > running. It was the first time I've used multi-viscosity oil and I think THAT > was a mistake to start off with. > I have a Canton external oil filter and after draining the oil with bits and > pieces on the drain plug, the oil canister revealed shiny bits and pieces in the > canister. > > Yesterday was the initial 'get the engine out of the car' mode. Today is the > transmission and I should have the engine out. > I saw some discussion about this a few weeks back about the Accusump and oil > cooler and what the process is of removing the particles from these. Can someone > remind me or is there a way to research this in the FoT thread of past? > The GT6 holds about 8 quarts of oil in all my oil lines, filter, and Accusump. > I've got a race at Eagles Canyon in May I've got my sites on. > > FoT Forever! > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue Apr 19 15:05:12 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:05:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Accusump In-Reply-To: <000301cbfe8f$19164760$4b42d620$@rr.com> References: <92758.32011.qm@web180803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <000301cbfe8f$19164760$4b42d620$@rr.com> Message-ID: I just sent mine back to them - it's at least 15 years old - and they rebuilt it for $35, plus $7 for a new gauge because the glass was cracked. Turned it around in 3 days, too! I don't know how they make money on this, but what a great service. On Apr 19, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Spitfire Racing wrote: I sent mine in and had it "redone" by the factory a few years ago. Worked out great and far less expensive than a new one. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:53 AM To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] shiny bits and pieces in the oil canister Yeah the Accusump does come apart, but I wonder if its better to replace it or have to cleaned by the manufacture? Good luck. A. On 18 April 2011 09:57, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I ran Hallett last week with CVAR and was finally rewarded with > placing 13 > starting position, with Herb Hilton on my right and P.D. Sohn on my > left. These > guys are both very good drivers with very well prepared cars. I > thought for a > moment the skies opened up and I saw little angels. I highlight of my brief > racing career. > > Later in the session (I finished 15th out of 29) that little red > lamp on the > dash started flickering. It was the cool down lap so I did my best > to just coast > into my garage space. > Low oil pressure and higher oil temperature seemed to be the way the > car was > running. It was the first time I've used multi-viscosity oil and I > think THAT > was a mistake to start off with. > I have a Canton external oil filter and after draining the oil with > bits and > pieces on the drain plug, the oil canister revealed shiny bits and > pieces in the > canister. > > Yesterday was the initial 'get the engine out of the car' mode. > Today is the > transmission and I should have the engine out. > I saw some discussion about this a few weeks back about the Accusump > and oil > cooler and what the process is of removing the particles from these. > Can someone > remind me or is there a way to research this in the FoT thread of > past? > The GT6 holds about 8 quarts of oil in all my oil lines, filter, and Accusump. > I've got a race at Eagles Canyon in May I've got my sites on. > > FoT Forever! > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From ac at camoletti.ch Thu Apr 21 03:17:20 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:17:20 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 pistons Message-ID: <002501cc0004$ec519320$c4f4b960$@camoletti.ch> Amici, Still prepping my TR3 engine, and now the liners and pistons are questioned, and may need replacement. Currently engine has the 86mm+.040'' cast aluminium Mahle with steel belt, you know the heavy ones (heavier than stock) and liners, but liners are out of round (of 0.03mm-ie over 0.001''), pistons are OK. Engine is blueprinted in all details and prepped for long distance road events. What piston and liners did you have good experience with (in 86 or 87mm)? Should I go for aluminium (forged or cast?), or iron ? I have seen there are several brands. For instance Cambridge sells JE pistons and "comp specs" liners. What about these JE pistons? or ARIAS, or CD, or HEPOLITE (are these still made?) or the forged MAHLE (expensive at 250 Euros each, but very light) Thank you for your thoughts and experience feedback! And happy Easter! Alex From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Apr 21 11:45:34 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 13:45:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New Video TR7 Race Car Message-ID: <003f01cc004b$eaf6c5d0$c0e45170$@rogers.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlhjL9wC_Kw How I spent my winter. Paul From andre at gt6.ca Thu Apr 21 12:08:23 2011 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:08:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New Video TR7 Race Car In-Reply-To: <003f01cc004b$eaf6c5d0$c0e45170$@rogers.com> References: <003f01cc004b$eaf6c5d0$c0e45170$@rogers.com> Message-ID: Awesome Paul! A. On 21 April 2011 13:45, macdonaldp wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlhjL9wC_Kw > > > > How I spent my winter. > > > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From gaf3 at charter.net Thu Apr 21 16:14:09 2011 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 18:14:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Engine Failure Message-ID: <4DB0AC31.8060706@charter.net> Group I just tore down a club members 74 TR6 engine rebuilt by the Roadster Factory back in 2002. It appears that the circlip that holds the wrist pin (gudgeon pin) in position was not seated properly. Looks like they did a nice job on the rebuild, but the wrist pin hammered the cylinder wall and I need to overbore the cylinder or sleeve it. Have any of you experienced a failure like this. The pistons were new A&E and the oil rings were cast iron and of course they came out in pieces. Thanks in advance Glenn Numerous Triumphs, they keep multiplying From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Apr 21 18:02:02 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 20:02:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fred Thomas Decal Message-ID: As you hopefully know by now our friend and Triumph companion Fred Thomas passed away last month. There were requests for something to remember him by. A decal has been designed and is currently at the printers. It is available to all. The cost to cover the making of the decal and or sticker and the mailing them out to you is $2.00 for the first one and $1.00 for each additional ordered and shipped at the same time. You have two options. The first being a 3 inch diameter sticker that can be placed on your car, toolbox, children or whatever. The second is a 3 inch static cling decal what can be placed on the inside of your windshield, window or any other transparent object you desire. The decal/sticker design can be seen at http://cid-b7b9c2ce6905be67.photos.live.com/self.aspx/FT/Fred^_Thomas^_Decal ^_Final.jpg The outline of the car in the center of the decal is actually Freds red TR3. We took a picture of his car and performed some graphic artistry on it and what was left is an outline of his TR3. Not that it is any different than any other TR3 outline but I thought it was kind of neat that it was Freds. A big thanks to Darrell Floyd for helping me with that part of it. Here is how to get them. I can take PayPal at trmarty at hotmail.com, or you can mail me a check to Marty Sukey 38286 Law Rd. Grafton Ohio 44044. Include how many of each you want and give me your mailing address. Orders will be filled first come first serve. If we run out of product I will refund your money. I will get them in the mail as soon as I can after they come back from the printers but you might have to be patient. Marty From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Fri Apr 22 06:45:20 2011 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:45:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stuff that needs a new home - Cuse I need the money for a Race Engine!! Message-ID: Morning members< Here's a list of some goodies that I have that need a new home: - Slotted and Dimpled rotors for a stock Spitfire (Not GT6 rotors) New 60.00 for the pair. - Spitfire 1300/1500 Complete Cannon intake manifold with 45 Webber and linkage. Was running great on my race Spit Race car when removed $450.00 - Triumph1300 JE Forged pistons 0.030 over used but in excellent condition with pins and locks set of 4 $150.00 - Pertronix Second Strike electronic ignition box with built in rev limiter, like new with manuals etc etc (Basically like a MSD system) $175.00. New ones sell for $320-350.00! I have pics of these parts if you need to see them, just e mail me. I am not a fan of Pay Pal as the fees kill a lot of the dollars. Most of you know of me or at least know who I am so I prefer checks that can clear the bank and then I will ship the items. You will get the parts and they are as described. Hey I'll be at Atlanta for the Mitty the 28/29/30 of April so I can deliver them there if you want. Questions are fine, offers if reasonable will be considered as well thanks!! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From craigl at leinickegroup.com Fri Apr 22 07:17:48 2011 From: craigl at leinickegroup.com (Craig Leinicke) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 08:17:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Video and Carb Tuning In-Reply-To: <003f01cc004b$eaf6c5d0$c0e45170$@rogers.com> Message-ID: Hello Paul, The looks and sounds awesome. Watching the video got me thinking about my TR7 weber carbs. Here is the current carb set up that I am running... Choke tubes -------- 30 Aux. venturis ------- 4.5 Main jets ------------ 125 Emulsion tubes --- F9 Air corr jets --------- 155 Idle jets --------------- 55F8 Pump jets ------------ 45 Pump exh valve ---- 45 My question to the group is... My car tends to run rich (full throttle land speed racing) and rich is better than lean. To lean the mixture which pieces should I change and which direction should I go... And how far? Thanks in advance for feedback... I'm racing mid-may at Maxton. Craig Flashback Racing On 4/21/11 12:45 PM, "macdonaldp" wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlhjL9wC_Kw > > > > How I spent my winter. > > > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/craigl at leinickegroup.com From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Apr 22 08:32:43 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:32:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Video and Carb Tuning In-Reply-To: References: <003f01cc004b$eaf6c5d0$c0e45170$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110422143256.4074618764D@autox.team.net> Here's my understanding: To richen the entire range, run a larger main jet / to lean out the entire range run a smaller (lower number) main jet. To richen the top end, run a smaller air correction jet / to lean out the top end, run a larger air correction jet. The air correction is the main top end mixture tuning device. Changing the air correction jet has some effect on bottom end, so you may end up going one step richer (larger) on the main jet and one or two steps leaner (larger) on the air correction. Going from a 130 to a 135 was a noticeable change both on the mains and on the airs, so move slowly - if using the "track dyno", maybe make changes in the 10's and then refine down to the 5's. Going TOO lean is bad, so I'd try to sneak up on it. I also found that the engine dyno gave me much different settings that I came up with just trial and error on the track using seat of the pants and EGT's. Last time I went through that I was on a dyno with an air/fuel meter so I could see when it went rich / lean. I found that running the largest Choke tubes that I could fit (in my 42DCOE's) helped. I've got a set of beat up 45's on the shelf that I hope to resurrect so I can start that tuning process all over... :) You don't say what your car is, but in my TR-4 I had to run richer than "normal" (for a "normal engine") I suspect that's due to the combustion chamber design (or lack thereof). Tony Drews At 08:17 AM 4/22/2011, Craig Leinicke wrote: >Hello Paul, >The looks and sounds awesome. >Watching the video got me thinking about my TR7 weber carbs. >Here is the current carb set up that I am running... > Choke tubes -------- 30 > Aux. venturis ------- 4.5 > Main jets ------------ 125 > Emulsion tubes --- F9 > Air corr jets --------- 155 > Idle jets --------------- 55F8 > Pump jets ------------ 45 > Pump exh valve ---- 45 > >My question to the group is... My car tends to run rich (full throttle land >speed racing) and rich is better than lean. >To lean the mixture which pieces should I change and which direction should >I go... And how far? >Thanks in advance for feedback... I'm racing mid-may at Maxton. > >Craig >Flashback Racing From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Apr 22 08:32:54 2011 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 10:32:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Video and Carb Tuning In-Reply-To: References: <003f01cc004b$eaf6c5d0$c0e45170$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <001201cc00fa$2ab87f20$80297d60$@rogers.com> Hi Craig I Have: Choke tubes -------- 30 Aux. venturis ------- ?? Main jets ------------ 130 Emulsion tubes --- F9 Air corr jets --------- 190 Idle jets --------------- 45F9 Pump jets ------------ ?? Pump exh valve ---- ?? I bought the carbs on Ebay from someone who had them set up for 5000 feet altitude. They had 165 air correctors and 55F8 idle jets. I have the Haynes manual and read a few sites, the most useful one was this one. http://www.fordcaprilaser.co.uk/weber_dcoe_carbs.htm Has a lot of good stuff on selecting the right parts. I have no clue how my cars runs other than it now starts in the garage. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Craig Leinicke [mailto:craigl at leinickegroup.com] Sent: April 22, 2011 9:18 AM To: macdonaldp; Fot Subject: Re: [Fot]TR7 Video and Carb Tuning Hello Paul, The looks and sounds awesome. Watching the video got me thinking about my TR7 weber carbs. Here is the current carb set up that I am running... Choke tubes -------- 30 Aux. venturis ------- 4.5 Main jets ------------ 125 Emulsion tubes --- F9 Air corr jets --------- 155 Idle jets --------------- 55F8 Pump jets ------------ 45 Pump exh valve ---- 45 My question to the group is... My car tends to run rich (full throttle land speed racing) and rich is better than lean. To lean the mixture which pieces should I change and which direction should I go... And how far? Thanks in advance for feedback... I'm racing mid-may at Maxton. Craig Flashback Racing On 4/21/11 12:45 PM, "macdonaldp" wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlhjL9wC_Kw > > > > How I spent my winter. > > > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/craigl at leinickegroup.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Fri Apr 22 08:43:57 2011 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR7 Video and Carb Tuning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31773.27260.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> To lean throughout the RPM range,go to a smaller main jet. To lean at upper rpm range go to a larger air corrector jet. Mike ________________________________ From: Craig Leinicke To: macdonaldp ; Fot Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:17:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Video and Carb Tuning Hello Paul, The looks and sounds awesome. Watching the video got me thinking about my TR7 weber carbs. Here is the current carb set up that I am running... Choke tubes -------- 30 Aux. venturis ------- 4.5 Main jets ------------ 125 Emulsion tubes --- F9 Air corr jets --------- 155 Idle jets --------------- 55F8 Pump jets ------------ 45 Pump exh valve ---- 45 My question to the group is... My car tends to run rich (full throttle land speed racing) and rich is better than lean. To lean the mixture which pieces should I change and which direction should I go... And how far? Thanks in advance for feedback... I'm racing mid-may at Maxton. Craig Flashback Racing From billb at bnj.com Fri Apr 22 10:05:28 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:05:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Video and Carb Tuning In-Reply-To: <31773.27260.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <31773.27260.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: True, but maybe not useful. The main jet functions from about half throttle to full throttle. If you modulate the throttle you'll see more need for fiddling with all the other jets (idle jets, pump jets, etc.) so in a street car you'll need to do more fiddling to get rid of stumbles and such at every throttle setting. Race cars tend to be WFO so the only thing we really worry about is the main and air corrector. The air corrector tries to adjust the main circuit for differences in differential pressure, which is proportional to RPM if everything else stays the same--but it never does. You can actually tune upper and lower rpm ranges properly with either air corrector or main. The air corrector serves to change the mixture from what it normally would be when the throttle is suddenly changed (ie. 1/2 to full). As a thumb rule, Mike is right, but it's pretty hard to figure out that you're lean at upper RPM unless you're tuning on a dyno with lots of instrumentation. On track it generally takes some fiddling, but I've found getting the full throttle mixture right by doing a plug chop and then paying attention to throttle response from 1/2 to full puts me on the right track. If it sounds flat (rich) when you change the throttle then go to a larger air corrector. If it stumbles (lean) go to a smaller air corrector. Then do the full throttle plug check again to correct the main jet. On Apr 22, 2011, at 7:43 AM, Mike Munson wrote: > To lean throughout the RPM range,go to a smaller main jet. To lean at upper rpm > range go to a larger air corrector jet. > > Mike > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Craig Leinicke > To: macdonaldp ; Fot > Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:17:48 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Video and Carb Tuning > > Hello Paul, > The looks and sounds awesome. > Watching the video got me thinking about my TR7 weber carbs. > Here is the current carb set up that I am running... > Choke tubes -------- 30 > Aux. venturis ------- 4.5 > Main jets ------------ 125 > Emulsion tubes --- F9 > Air corr jets --------- 155 > Idle jets --------------- 55F8 > Pump jets ------------ 45 > Pump exh valve ---- 45 > > My question to the group is... My car tends to run rich (full throttle land > speed racing) and rich is better than lean. > To lean the mixture which pieces should I change and which direction should > I go... And how far? > Thanks in advance for feedback... I'm racing mid-may at Maxton. > > Craig > Flashback Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From gaf3 at charter.net Fri Apr 22 16:30:36 2011 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:30:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Engine Failure In-Reply-To: <4DB0AC31.8060706@charter.net> References: <4DB0AC31.8060706@charter.net> Message-ID: <4DB2018C.5010102@charter.net> Thanks for the feedback on this engine failure. Does anyone out there have a source for the teflon piston pin buttons that were discussed. I remember a thread a while back regarding these. I do have a lathe but no teflon stock just nylatron and I'm not sure the material properties of nylatron would survive engine temps. It would be more cost effective to purchase these rather than make them. Thanks in advance Glenn Numerous Triumphs, they keep multiplying On 4/21/2011 6:14 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Group > I just tore down a club members 74 TR6 engine rebuilt by the Roadster > Factory back in 2002. > It appears that the circlip that holds the wrist pin (gudgeon pin) in > position was not seated properly. > Looks like they did a nice job on the rebuild, but the wrist pin > hammered the cylinder wall and I need to overbore the cylinder or > sleeve it. > Have any of you experienced a failure like this. > The pistons were new A&E and the oil rings were cast iron and of > course they came out in pieces. > Thanks in advance > Glenn > Numerous Triumphs, they keep multiplying > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Apr 22 16:46:08 2011 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:46:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit parts Message-ID: <3E5DD164-2BCF-4F6E-8721-904F29F91231@aol.com> Amici I am going to be selling parts for a 74 and a 72 spit. Not completely sure exactly what I have but I know there is a factory hard top. Engines and trans aren't for sale but a good enough offer might tempt me to sell a trans. Complete suspension and rear I know are there. Some trim parts also. If anyone is interested in a part just drop me a message. Cars located in southern NJ (Vineland) and eastern shore of MD (Easton) I will be at Summit Point race in May. From klynch_6 at msn.com Fri Apr 22 19:22:21 2011 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:22:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Nite' - Message-ID: Evening all- I'd like to introduce to you Chris Sundberg who up until lately, has been a dedicated corner worker with RMVR. Last season or so, Chris purchased Mark Robinson's old Red Spitfire. Chris has been making steady improvements as a driver as well as making steady improvements on the car. It would be great if we could welcome Chis into the fold & so looking for a few show of hands. Thanks folks, & a Happy Easter ! Kev Lynch GT6 #6 From budscars at comcast.net Fri Apr 22 19:32:06 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:32:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Nite' - References: Message-ID: <40A07C9AED6E422FAFEBF8CAB4667FB2@Bud> I second the nomination...here's my hands(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "FOT" Cc: "sund_bug" Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 6:22 PM Subject: [Fot] Nomination Nite' - > Evening all- > I'd like to introduce to you Chris Sundberg who up until lately, has been > a > dedicated corner worker with RMVR. > Last season or so, Chris purchased Mark Robinson's old Red Spitfire. Chris > has > been making steady improvements > as a driver as well as making steady improvements on the car. > It would be great if we could welcome Chis into the fold & so looking for > a > few show of hands. > > Thanks folks, & a Happy Easter ! > > Kev Lynch > GT6 > #6 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Apr 22 19:41:48 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 21:41:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Nite' - In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDCF6EBE96BAE0-CA0-1920D@webmail-d090.sysops.aol.com> cool! another Spitfire.... 2nd -----Original Message----- From: KEVIN LYNCH To: FOT Cc: sund_bug Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:22 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination Nite' - Evening all- I'd like to introduce to you Chris Sundberg who up until lately, has been a dedicated corner worker with RMVR. Last season or so, Chris purchased Mark Robinson's old Red Spitfire. Chris has been making steady improvements as a driver as well as making steady improvements on the car. It would be great if we could welcome Chis into the fold & so looking for a few show of hands. Thanks folks, & a Happy Easter ! Kev Lynch GT6 #6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 20:24:38 2011 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 21:24:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Engine Failure In-Reply-To: <4DB2018C.5010102@charter.net> References: <4DB0AC31.8060706@charter.net> <4DB2018C.5010102@charter.net> Message-ID: <441C59DF-CE4F-4A5F-BEDE-3DBD650E7F75@gmail.com> Glenn, I got mine from Venolia, with a set of pistons. You might call them to see where they get them, or perhaps they'd sell you a set of the proper dimensions. They show up on page 6 of their catalog here: http://www.venolia.com/catalog2005.pdf Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 On Apr 22, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Thanks for the feedback on this engine failure. > Does anyone out there have a source for the teflon piston pin buttons that were discussed. > I remember a thread a while back regarding these. > I do have a lathe but no teflon stock just nylatron and I'm not sure the material properties of nylatron would survive engine temps. > It would be more cost effective to purchase these rather than make them. > Thanks in advance > Glenn > Numerous Triumphs, they keep multiplying > > On 4/21/2011 6:14 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: >> Group >> I just tore down a club members 74 TR6 engine rebuilt by the Roadster Factory back in 2002. >> It appears that the circlip that holds the wrist pin (gudgeon pin) in position was not seated properly. >> Looks like they did a nice job on the rebuild, but the wrist pin hammered the cylinder wall and I need to overbore the cylinder or sleeve it. >> Have any of you experienced a failure like this. >> The pistons were new A&E and the oil rings were cast iron and of course they came out in pieces. >> Thanks in advance >> Glenn >> Numerous Triumphs, they keep multiplying >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Apr 23 11:35:43 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 13:35:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings Message-ID: As I get ready to start putting the Spity engine back together I have a question. Piston rings are the cast iron variety. In the past I have just coated the pistons and cylinder walls with some engine oil prior to insertion. I was talking to an old timer at the machine shop and he said he uses 90 wt gear oil on the cylinder walls and leaves the pistons dry. What do you experts use? Does it make any difference? I do want the rings to seat and I was thinking thinner was better but maybe I am wrong. What say ye? Marty From chasgee at aol.com Sat Apr 23 14:03:12 2011 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 13:03:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings Message-ID: <201104232002.p3NK2wTE030537@imr-ma06.mx.aol.com> A thin coat of Marvel mystery oil on the cylinder walls - seats the rings fast. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: marty sukey Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:35 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings As I get ready to start putting the Spity engine back together I have a question. Piston rings are the cast iron variety. In the past I have just coated the pistons and cylinder walls with some engine oil prior to insertion. I was talking to an old timer at the machine shop and he said he uses 90 wt gear oil on the cylinder walls and leaves the pistons dry. What do you experts use? Does it make any difference? I do want the rings to seat and I was thinking thinner was better but maybe I am wrong. What say ye? Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From REK46 at aol.com Sat Apr 23 16:16:49 2011 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 18:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings Message-ID: <4c56d.1fd784a7.3ae4a9d1@aol.com> Totally agree with Chuck.....Marvel does it well with CI rings In a message dated 4/23/2011 4:06:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, chasgee at aol.com writes: A thin coat of Marvel mystery oil on the cylinder walls - seats the rings fast. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: marty sukey Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:35 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings As I get ready to start putting the Spity engine back together I have a question. Piston rings are the cast iron variety. In the past I have just coated the pistons and cylinder walls with some engine oil prior to insertion. I was talking to an old timer at the machine shop and he said he uses 90 wt gear oil on the cylinder walls and leaves the pistons dry. What do you experts use? Does it make any difference? I do want the rings to seat and I was thinking thinner was better but maybe I am wrong. What say ye? Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Apr 23 16:47:28 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 17:47:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301cc0208$6d5c9640$4815c2c0$@com> Wow, the FOT is fantastic. I'd never have thought of Marvel Mystery oil. Just curious, what kind of piston rings are there other than the cast iron ones and where are they used? Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:36 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings As I get ready to start putting the Spity engine back together I have a question. Piston rings are the cast iron variety. In the past I have just coated the pistons and cylinder walls with some engine oil prior to insertion. I was talking to an old timer at the machine shop and he said he uses 90 wt gear oil on the cylinder walls and leaves the pistons dry. What do you experts use? Does it make any difference? I do want the rings to seat and I was thinking thinner was better but maybe I am wrong. What say ye? Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From mark at bradakis.com Sat Apr 23 18:18:00 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 18:18:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DB36C38.6090102@bradakis.com> In the past ( I haven't built a motor for 5+ years ) I would use good old WD40, liberally, to get the pistons in the bore. But wait, wasn't there a Bon Ami cleanser that had a Chevy part number that would quickly seat rings when dusted into the carb of fresh rebuild? mjb. From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net Tue Apr 19 13:25:37 2011 From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] SCCA Vintage at Laguna 4/30- 5/1 Message-ID: <629103.25220.qm@web180315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> San Francisco region vintage event at Laguna Seca on April 30 & May 1. A great chance to get some track time prior to the Kas Cup. Note - this is a sound controlled event. Small bore production limit is 101db. Bring a muffler, you'll need it. We ran the SFR SCCA vintage at Thunderhill last year, and had a great time. Unfortunately we will not be able to make this race. Schedule and more info at: (sfrscca dot org - if these links don't make it past the crap filter) http://www.sfrscca.org/component/option,com_easycalendar/task,view/id,178/Ite mid,1/cid,22/ http://www.sfrscca.org/images/2011/Calendar/11vintageapril30sched.pdf Any FOT planing to attend? Cheers, Tim Pettenati From jerrybarr at charter.net Sat Apr 23 21:02:04 2011 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 22:02:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings In-Reply-To: <4DB36C38.6090102@bradakis.com> References: <4DB36C38.6090102@bradakis.com> Message-ID: CAT) had the packages of Bon Ami in the dealerships. I seem to remember they were sold and a "compression booster" On Apr 23, 2011, at 7:18 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > In the past ( I haven't built a motor for 5+ years ) I would use good old > WD40, liberally, to get the pistons in the bore. > > But wait, wasn't there a Bon Ami cleanser that had a Chevy part number > that would quickly seat rings when dusted into the carb of fresh rebuild? > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Apr 23 23:41:33 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 22:41:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Seating Rings In-Reply-To: References: <4DB36C38.6090102@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <04b801cc0242$45108770$0301a8c0@randall> > > But wait, wasn't there a Bon Ami cleanser that had a Chevy > part number > > that would quickly seat rings when dusted into the carb of > fresh rebuild? Actually, I believe it was Bon Ami cleaning powder, not cleanser. There is a difference. If the can says "not safe for use on glass", you've got the wrong one. OSH had it, last time I looked, but none of the local grocery stores did. -- Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Apr 24 04:12:10 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 12:12:10 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR6 racing In-Reply-To: <04b801cc0242$45108770$0301a8c0@randall> References: <4DB36C38.6090102@bradakis.com> <04b801cc0242$45108770$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <001201cc0268$15d50c80$417f2580$@com> Maybe you like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzDEuWE5U3g Cheers Chris From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Apr 25 05:26:07 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 07:26:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers Message-ID: Is anybody currently using one of the Crank-Scrapers.com products in a spitfire? if so I have a question for you. Thanks, Marty From ac at camoletti.ch Mon Apr 25 06:42:03 2011 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:42:03 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft end float TR3-4 Message-ID: <002201cc0346$324860e0$96d922a0$@camoletti.ch> Amici, what are your thoughts about camshaft end float and bearing clearance? Didn't we exchange about it ? Could not find in the FOT database. We discussed distributor gear recently, but could not find a discussion about cam end float and bearing clearances. These certainly have an influence on ignition timing, distributor gear life and valve train lash. Are the stock specs ok ? These are : Clearance bearing #1= 0.00275'' to 0.0047'', Clearance bearings #2-3-4= .002'' to .0035'' End float min .003'' up to .0075'' Thank you for your thoughts! Much appreciated! Alex From igofaster at att.net Mon Apr 25 09:14:47 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 08:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 24 hour Lemons race... and a TR6 Message-ID: <605485.72322.qm@web180818.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Morning FoT... Just woke up from a weekend haze of my first 24 Hour of Lemons Race. Argh.. did we race a true $500 TR6 ALL weekend? Was that a dream? Amazingly enough Bob Kramer and the Sherlock Homeboyz campaigned the TR6 all weekend long and even placed 20th position. Not too shabby. Yours truly, The Pawn Star of CVAR, sponsored $500 for covered space, food, fuel, beer and I was one of 6 drivers. The TR6 had some fuel problems, as we could not get the carb's dialed in. We did have the advantage of cornering though. So.. I know Bob Kramer, Greg Blake and I we turning 2:30's times out of the car that had little past 4000 rpm, and fuel starvation in the turns. I would just go as long as I could and hold out to the very last few feet before I broke into the turns. Amazingly, the car never broke down and we had no contact. We were penalized for two offs in one session Sunday morning, so we were instructed to paint a large Alfa Romero symbol on the trunk lid. We had fun with the paint, made a really nice symbol and the spelled Alpha Bumero in the lid. Although not required I took the extra step to appease the judges by donning voluntarily the 70's afro wig. Bob Kramer says we won some swag, the Grassroots Motors Sports , "Most with the Least" trophy! Go team! I'm ready (with rest) to do it again! Bobby Whitehead From tr6driver at yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 09:30:28 2011 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 08:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] ChumpCar Charlotte Race Report Message-ID: <376373.77577.qm@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well...our race wasn't quite as successful as the LeMons crew (congratulations, guys!)... Day started out very well with Mr. Wayne Andrews showing a LOT of people up! Lost the throttle linkage at one point but we got that fixed and Wayne set some fast times in the wet. Kevin followed and cut some really consistent laps, during his run the whole field was stopped for a red flag to get a talking to as $2,000 worth of barriers had already been trashed. Not Kevin! Kevin turned it over to Jack, who proceeded to lay down some more good times. We gradually climbed into the top ten and had just gotten into 6th place (of 45 cars) when, on his pit in lap...there was an off-course excursion. About 2-1/2 hours later, we had replaced the bent steering rack (Jack and Joe had to go strip it off of one if Jack's cars) and bent wheel, Kevin aligned it by eye and I went out. Started out very slow, but gradually gained confidence in the car and started lowering lap times. We had climbed back to 33rd when... The throttle stuck on the floor. Well...I'm fine. Lacey, on the other hand, is not. Pretty much everything in front of the firewall other than the engine and maybe the brakes are toast. I also managed to take out the left rear fender and wheel as I was going fast enough when I hit that the left rear also hit the guardrail. We are going to explore our options, including possibly transferring everything to a donor TR6 or sectioning the frame. Our next scheduled race is VIR July 30-31. We have some thinking and a LOT of work to do if we are going to make that event... I'm very thankful that the car we built and the safety precautions all worked. I'm very sad that Tim and Joe, who were there all day and worked very hard didn't even get to race. Assuming we make VIR, they'll be first up. Jamie Palmer Squadron Leader, RiffRAF Racing From igofaster at att.net Mon Apr 25 09:38:23 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 08:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Lemon's this weekend In-Reply-To: References: <002501cbfe33$a3a33340$eae999c0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <217799.49857.qm@web180815.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> will this post? http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/04/huggy-bear-shos-galore-and-a-tr6-bs-inspections-at-the-north-dallas-hooptie-24-hours-of-lemons/ Bobby Whitehead From igofaster at att.net Mon Apr 25 10:09:10 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 09:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] small journal Spit Message-ID: <912964.75789.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> how do you identify a small journal 1296cc Spitfire engine? Bobby From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Apr 25 10:16:48 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:16:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] small journal Spit Message-ID: <5f7d2.1736b5d6.3ae6f870@aol.com> The rod bearings will be smaller..........Never mind. ;-)) In a message dated 4/25/2011 9:09:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, igofaster at att.net writes: how do you identify a small journal 1296cc Spitfire engine? Bobby _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From herald948 at aol.com Mon Apr 25 10:19:36 2011 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] small journal Spit In-Reply-To: <912964.75789.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <912964.75789.qm@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDD17BB42800E5-A58-1E3CB@webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com> Assuming the serial number is still visible, it should be either "FD" or "FE" prefix (although there is also a very rare "FF" version as well). --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead how do you identify a small journal 1296cc Spitfire engine? From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Apr 25 10:24:56 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:24:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ChumpCar Charlotte Race Report In-Reply-To: <376373.77577.qm@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <376373.77577.qm@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm so sorry to hear this. You all worked so hard, and had a nice chumper car. The most important parts are safe, the people. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jamie Palmer Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 10:30 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] ChumpCar Charlotte Race Report Well...our race wasn't quite as successful as the LeMons crew (congratulations, guys!)... Day started out very well with Mr. Wayne Andrews showing a LOT of people up! Lost the throttle linkage at one point but we got that fixed and Wayne set some fast times in the wet. Kevin followed and cut some really consistent laps, during his run the whole field was stopped for a red flag to get a talking to as $2,000 worth of barriers had already been trashed. Not Kevin! Kevin turned it over to Jack, who proceeded to lay down some more good times. We gradually climbed into the top ten and had just gotten into 6th place (of 45 cars) when, on his pit in lap...there was an off-course excursion. About 2-1/2 hours later, we had replaced the bent steering rack (Jack and Joe had to go strip it off of one if Jack's cars) and bent wheel, Kevin aligned it by eye and I went out. Started out very slow, but gradually gained confidence in the car and started lowering lap times. We had climbed back to 33rd when... The throttle stuck on the floor. Well...I'm fine. Lacey, on the other hand, is not. Pretty much everything in front of the firewall other than the engine and maybe the brakes are toast. I also managed to take out the left rear fender and wheel as I was going fast enough when I hit that the left rear also hit the guardrail. We are going to explore our options, including possibly transferring everything to a donor TR6 or sectioning the frame. Our next scheduled race is VIR July 30-31. We have some thinking and a LOT of work to do if we are going to make that event... I'm very thankful that the car we built and the safety precautions all worked. I'm very sad that Tim and Joe, who were there all day and worked very hard didn't even get to race. Assuming we make VIR, they'll be first up. Jamie Palmer Squadron Leader, RiffRAF Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From REK46 at aol.com Mon Apr 25 10:35:15 2011 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] small journal Spit Message-ID: <1b7fb.bc701a1.3ae6fcc3@aol.com> The front crank nut is smaller( 1 7/16" wrench ) on the 1296 small journal......the 1500 has a larger nut. and pulley. In a message dated 4/25/2011 12:23:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: Assuming the serial number is still visible, it should be either "FD" or "FE" prefix (although there is also a very rare "FF" version as well). --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead how do you identify a small journal 1296cc Spitfire engine? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Apr 25 11:56:26 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 19:56:26 +0200 Subject: [Fot] ChumpCar Charlotte Race Report In-Reply-To: <376373.77577.qm@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <376373.77577.qm@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301cc0372$1ba2f040$52e8d0c0$@com> Sorry to hear that. I hope you get that fixed soon to have it race ready again. Thumbs pressed Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jamie Palmer Gesendet: Montag, 25. April 2011 17:30 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] ChumpCar Charlotte Race Report Well...our race wasn't quite as successful as the LeMons crew (congratulations, guys!)... Day started out very well with Mr. Wayne Andrews showing a LOT of people up! Lost the throttle linkage at one point but we got that fixed and Wayne set some fast times in the wet. Kevin followed and cut some really consistent laps, during his run the whole field was stopped for a red flag to get a talking to as $2,000 worth of barriers had already been trashed. Not Kevin! Kevin turned it over to Jack, who proceeded to lay down some more good times. We gradually climbed into the top ten and had just gotten into 6th place (of 45 cars) when, on his pit in lap...there was an off-course excursion. About 2-1/2 hours later, we had replaced the bent steering rack (Jack and Joe had to go strip it off of one if Jack's cars) and bent wheel, Kevin aligned it by eye and I went out. Started out very slow, but gradually gained confidence in the car and started lowering lap times. We had climbed back to 33rd when... The throttle stuck on the floor. Well...I'm fine. Lacey, on the other hand, is not. Pretty much everything in front of the firewall other than the engine and maybe the brakes are toast. I also managed to take out the left rear fender and wheel as I was going fast enough when I hit that the left rear also hit the guardrail. We are going to explore our options, including possibly transferring everything to a donor TR6 or sectioning the frame. Our next scheduled race is VIR July 30-31. We have some thinking and a LOT of work to do if we are going to make that event... I'm very thankful that the car we built and the safety precautions all worked. I'm very sad that Tim and Joe, who were there all day and worked very hard didn't even get to race. Assuming we make VIR, they'll be first up. Jamie Palmer Squadron Leader, RiffRAF Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Apr 25 12:15:06 2011 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:15:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] small journal Spit In-Reply-To: <1b7fb.bc701a1.3ae6fcc3@aol.com> References: <1b7fb.bc701a1.3ae6fcc3@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230CFBB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> And once you've identified the smaller front pulley nut, you can separate the 1296s from the 1147s by looking at the head. The 1147s have the siamesed intake ports and have an odd number of head studs (11 vs 10?) Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of REK46 at aol.com Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 11:35 AM To: herald948 at aol.com; igofaster at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] small journal Spit The front crank nut is smaller( 1 7/16" wrench ) on the 1296 small journal......the 1500 has a larger nut. and pulley. In a message dated 4/25/2011 12:23:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: Assuming the serial number is still visible, it should be either "FD" or "FE" prefix (although there is also a very rare "FF" version as well). --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead how do you identify a small journal 1296cc Spitfire engine? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From jsclark at live.ca Mon Apr 25 13:54:43 2011 From: jsclark at live.ca (Jeff Clark) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:54:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak Message-ID: Friends, I need some advice. 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. After two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we have developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? Thanks Jeff Clark From sjanzen at me.com Mon Apr 25 14:07:57 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:07:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I get maybe a few tablespoons of oil out of the rocker vent over a race weekend and have an unvented crankcase, so I really don't think the issue is inadequate crankcase ventilation. do you have an auxiliary line to your valve rockers that could be over-supplying that area - still don't see why so much oil would be blown out the cover vent unless there is another issue too. On Apr 25, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: Friends, I need some advice. 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. After two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we have developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? Thanks Jeff Clark _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Apr 25 14:55:17 2011 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:55:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] oil leak Message-ID: <3d6f2.25d95c1e.3ae739b5@aol.com> Two issues I read here. You developed a leak at the head gasket left side. Front or rear? Are you sure or is it just a valve cover leak? You blew by into the catch can. Not uncommon. Did you get happy with the RPM? Where is your crankcase vented? Sock little 1/2" connection? Anywhere else? If you start getting the revs up you need a lot more ventilation than that stock hole. I run a 1" hose off of the valve cover and still pump some oil sometimes at the high end. Do you have the auxilary feed to the rockers? Stock or roller? Who's rollers? Is the aux feed plugged to a tiny orifice? Lot's of details here to make this lump of iron work...... In a message dated 4/25/2011 12:58:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jsclark at live.ca writes: Friends, I need some advice. 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. After two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we have developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? Thanks Jeff Clark _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From budscars at comcast.net Mon Apr 25 14:55:58 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:55:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil leak References: Message-ID: <455E00DCCC5A4BCBB555036BE2F04DE2@Bud> Jeff... ..give it a compression test before tearing stuff apart..but it sounds like a broken piston ring. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Clark" To: Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 12:54 PM Subject: [Fot] oil leak > Friends, I need some advice. > 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. > After > two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we > have > developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. > After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from > rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head > gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? > Thanks > Jeff Clark > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From sjanzen at me.com Mon Apr 25 14:59:51 2011 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:59:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak In-Reply-To: <3d6f2.25d95c1e.3ae739b5@aol.com> References: <3d6f2.25d95c1e.3ae739b5@aol.com> Message-ID: <63E45805-8377-481D-87EC-7846A3DCECEB@me.com> Jeff, forgot to mention - I get some oil seepage on the driver's left side of the head gasket too, by the pushrods - crankcase pressure. Am installing bigger vents to address that, as Steve suggested. Still surprised by the amount of oil you're getting in the can. On Apr 25, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: Two issues I read here. You developed a leak at the head gasket left side. Front or rear? Are you sure or is it just a valve cover leak? You blew by into the catch can. Not uncommon. Did you get happy with the RPM? Where is your crankcase vented? Sock little 1/2" connection? Anywhere else? If you start getting the revs up you need a lot more ventilation than that stock hole. I run a 1" hose off of the valve cover and still pump some oil sometimes at the high end. Do you have the auxilary feed to the rockers? Stock or roller? Who's rollers? Is the aux feed plugged to a tiny orifice? Lot's of details here to make this lump of iron work...... In a message dated 4/25/2011 12:58:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jsclark at live.ca writes: Friends, I need some advice. 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. After two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we have developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? Thanks Jeff Clark _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From budscars at comcast.net Mon Apr 25 15:00:15 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:00:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil leak References: <3d6f2.25d95c1e.3ae739b5@aol.com> Message-ID: Valve cover..Good point...if it's coming from the valve cover, and you're filling your catch tank, check to see that the set screw that fits into the rocker pedestal has not come out...that will fill your valve cover with oil, while not feeding oil through the rocker. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak > Two issues I read here. You developed a leak at the head gasket left > side. Front or rear? Are you sure or is it just a valve cover leak? > > You blew by into the catch can. Not uncommon. Did you get happy with > the > RPM? Where is your crankcase vented? Sock little 1/2" connection? > Anywhere else? > > If you start getting the revs up you need a lot more ventilation than that > stock hole. I run a 1" hose off of the valve cover and still pump some > oil > sometimes at the high end. Do you have the auxilary feed to the rockers? > Stock or roller? Who's rollers? Is the aux feed plugged to a tiny > orifice? > > Lot's of details here to make this lump of iron work...... > > > In a message dated 4/25/2011 12:58:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > jsclark at live.ca writes: > > Friends, I need some advice. > 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. > After > two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we > have > developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. > After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from > rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head > gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? > Thanks > Jeff Clark > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From fasttrs at yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 15:14:15 2011 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:14:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oil leak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have had holes in pistons, broken or worn rings and leaking head gaskets that caused excessive crankcase pressure and filling the overflow bottle. Just hope it is something simple like a head gasket. Mike #28 EP TR6 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 25, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: > Friends, I need some advice. > 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. After > two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we have > developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. > After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from > rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head > gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? > Thanks > Jeff Clark > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 25 15:24:27 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:24:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil leak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Leakdown test. On Apr 25, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Mike Munson wrote: > I have had holes in pistons, broken or worn rings and leaking head gaskets > that caused excessive crankcase pressure and filling the overflow bottle. Just > hope it is something simple like a head gasket. > > Mike > #28 EP TR6 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 25, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: > >> Friends, I need some advice. >> 71 GT6 6 cyl vintage race car . At present running triple 40 mm Webers. > After >> two races last year and one test day last Friday on a rebuilt engine, we > have >> developed an oil leak at the head gasket on the left side of the engine. >> After the test day I noticed the 1 qt filtered oil catch can plumbed from >> rocker cover was full, indicating blow by ? Should I install a new head >> gasket? more crank case ventilation? build another motor? >> Thanks >> Jeff Clark >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Apr 25 15:26:15 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:26:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 HEADGASKET LAGUNA SECA ENGINE Message-ID: <8CDD1A68B08B319-1A94-250F0@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> What is the current best thinking on head gaskets? We have been using conventional head gaskets, slightly modified, with success. But would like to move on....Cometic? We are modifying liners to accept a wire ring and are running about 12:1 compression. Engine assembly has commenced. Looking for source and availability. TIA. JOE A From jsclark at live.ca Mon Apr 25 16:41:29 2011 From: jsclark at live.ca (Jeff Clark) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 18:41:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions Message-ID: Thanks to all I now have a direction before I tear the head off need to get the car ready for May 7 -8 at Mosport I hate oil leaks Jeff From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Apr 25 18:45:52 2011 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:45:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 HEADGASKET LAGUNA SECA ENGINE In-Reply-To: <8CDD1A68B08B319-1A94-250F0@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDD1A68B08B319-1A94-250F0@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DB615C0.9000800@blacksburg.net> On 4/25/2011 5:26 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > What is the current best thinking on head gaskets? > > We have been using conventional head gaskets, slightly modified, with > success. > > But would like to move on....Cometic? > > We are modifying liners to accept a wire ring and are running about 12:1 > compression. > > Engine assembly has commenced. Looking for source and availability. > Joe, I'm running a Cometic H0793SP4043F in my TR4, with excellent success. ISTR that it compressed to 0.035, so it's a little thinner than the Payen. These are special order from Cometic, but their turn-around is only a couple of days (well, was late last year). jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Apr 26 07:03:54 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:03:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] tr4 gasket usage..... Message-ID: <8CDD22987F49E9F-198C-2F759@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com> so far i have two responses: one cometic one steel shim gasket with copper wire anyone else? thanks From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Apr 26 09:06:33 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:06:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local> Gee whiz Jeff, if you hate oil leaks I'm not so sure you should have bought an English Car! John H. 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Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Hasty Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:07 AM To: 'Jeff Clark'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions Gee whiz Jeff, if you hate oil leaks I'm not so sure you should have bought an English Car! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Clark Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 6:41 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions Thanks to all I now have a direction before I tear the head off need to get the car ready for May 7 -8 at Mosport I hate oil leaks Jeff _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Apr 26 10:50:14 2011 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: <000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com> References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local> <000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> If you just consider them as partial-loss oiling systems, the problem goes away... HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing To: jhhasty ; 'Jeff Clark' ; fot Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2011 12:14 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions They only leak when you put oil in them! Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Hasty Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:07 AM To: 'Jeff Clark'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions Gee whiz Jeff, if you hate oil leaks I'm not so sure you should have bought an English Car! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Clark Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 6:41 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions Thanks to all I now have a direction before I tear the head off need to get the car ready for May 7 -8 at Mosport I hate oil leaks Jeff _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From tlizzard at msn.com Tue Apr 26 14:39:42 2011 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:39:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com> <8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com> <8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Guys, guys, guys... It's a feature, not a problem area. Active under vehicle rust control system or ARCS for short... Terry Stetler From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Apr 26 14:43:52 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:43:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com> <8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> I was black flagged twice for leaking (and smoking). Cheers Chris (with an leak free TR (almost)) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Terry Stetler Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:40 An: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com; jsclark at live.ca; fot at autox.team.net; fubog1 Betreff: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions Guys, guys, guys... It's a feature, not a problem area. Active under vehicle rust control system or ARCS for short... Terry Stetler _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue Apr 26 14:48:42 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:48:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: <003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> <003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> Message-ID: Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only discretionary pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:44 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions I was black flagged twice for leaking (and smoking). Cheers Chris (with an leak free TR (almost)) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Terry Stetler Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:40 An: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com; jsclark at live.ca; fot at autox.team.net; fubog1 Betreff: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions Guys, guys, guys... It's a feature, not a problem area. Active under vehicle rust control system or ARCS for short... Terry Stetler _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Apr 26 14:52:36 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:52:36 +0200 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> <003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> Message-ID: <003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> Are you sure? My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that smoking. But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only discretionary pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) Joe C. From budscars at comcast.net Tue Apr 26 15:02:11 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:02:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com><003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> <003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> Message-ID: You guys crack me up!..I'm part of a group of guys called THE OLD GUYS STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE....When we get even older we're changing the name of our group to 'IT ALL DEPENDS' Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions > Are you sure? > My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. > My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that smoking. > > But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? > Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 > An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop > (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only > discretionary > pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Apr 26 15:29:57 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 23:29:57 +0200 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com><003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> <003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> Message-ID: <004b01cc0459$18a10cf0$49e326d0$@com> But as we talk about oil leak solutions: I bet that my race car is the one and only in the world that has closed the lower vent hole on the left block side with a champagne cork. And this NASA like solution does work since 3 years now. I asked Wernher von Braun: What do you use for leaks? Answer: If you are on earth, find a champagne cork, if you are in space, use your thumb. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 23:02 An: MadMarx; 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions You guys crack me up!..I'm part of a group of guys called THE OLD GUYS STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE....When we get even older we're changing the name of our group to 'IT ALL DEPENDS' Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions > Are you sure? > My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. > My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that smoking. > > But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? > Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 > An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop > (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only > discretionary > pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue Apr 26 15:52:11 2011 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:52:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> <003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> Message-ID: I was black flagged once at Heartland Park for smoking (leaking, but it all went on the headers), came in and the pit steward comes up and says, "You were black flagged for smoking. Got a leak?" I replied, "Of course. It's British!" He says, "Going back out?" "Yep" I reply, and off I went. That was the entire conversation. "It's British" seemed to suffice as an explanation. --Rocky Entriken #4 Spitfire Mk. 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions >I was black flagged twice for leaking (and smoking). > > Cheers > Chris (with an leak free TR (almost)) > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Terry Stetler > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:40 > An: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com; jsclark at live.ca; > fot at autox.team.net; fubog1 > Betreff: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > Guys, guys, guys... > > > It's a feature, not a problem area. > > Active under vehicle rust control system or ARCS for short... > > > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 17:39:15 2011 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com><003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> <003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> Message-ID: <841302.72382.qm@web46102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Don't feel too bad. I have two Corvairs too. So as far as leaking I am used to to it. They leak in all kinds of weird places. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 To: MadMarx ; Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 2:02:11 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions You guys crack me up!..I'm part of a group of guys called THE OLD GUYS STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE....When we get even older we're changing the name of our group to 'IT ALL DEPENDS' Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions > Are you sure? > My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. > My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that smoking. > > But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? > Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 > An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop > (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only discretionary > pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com From fpspitfire at comcast.net Tue Apr 26 20:22:03 2011 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 02:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] small journal Spit In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230CFBB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <1957246988.499233.1303870923195.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> and don't forget...if you are looking at used engines the small crank ones will amost definately be missing thrust washers and been run that way for 4000 miles. aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Barr" To: REK46 at aol.com, herald948 at aol.com, igofaster at att.net, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, 25 April, 2011 2:15:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] small journal Spit And once you've identified the smaller front pulley nut, you can separate the 1296s from the 1147s by looking at the head. B The 1147s have the siamesed intake ports and have an odd number of head studs (11 vs 10?) Scott From jerrybarr at charter.net Tue Apr 26 20:27:44 2011 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 21:27:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: <003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> <003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> <003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> Message-ID: I would never do it but I know a guy that races a #49 Blue Spitfire that made a chicken wire and an oil absorbent diaper to stop a serious front of the oil pan leak. We made the whole weekend with no fires or drips. On Apr 26, 2011, at 3:52 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Are you sure? > My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. > My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that smoking. > > But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? > Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 > An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop > (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only discretionary > pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 20:32:12 2011 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (jaxonracing at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 02:32:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] small journal Spit In-Reply-To: <1957246988.499233.1303870923195.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740230CFBB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><1957246988.499233.1303870923195.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Only 4000 miles. -----Original Message----- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 02:22:03 To: Scott Barr Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] small journal Spit and don't forget...if you are looking at used engines the small crank ones will amost definately be missing thrust washers and been run that way for 4000 miles. aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Barr" To: REK46 at aol.com, herald948 at aol.com, igofaster at att.net, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, 25 April, 2011 2:15:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] small journal Spit And once you've identified the smaller front pulley nut, you can separate the 1296s from the 1147s by looking at the head. B The 1147s have the siamesed intake ports and have an odd number of head studs (11 vs 10?) Scott _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaxonracing at yahoo.com From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Apr 26 21:02:41 2011 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 23:02:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions In-Reply-To: References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> <003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com> <003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> Message-ID: <001901cc0487$92a402e0$b7ec08a0$@rr.com> Hell, I know another Spitfire racer, who shall remain nameless, that made a "gutter" to run the oil away from his exhaust pipe. Quite a conversation piece. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Barr Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:28 PM To: MadMarx Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions I would never do it but I know a guy that races a #49 Blue Spitfire that made a chicken wire and an oil absorbent diaper to stop a serious front of the oil pan leak. We made the whole weekend with no fires or drips. On Apr 26, 2011, at 3:52 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Are you sure? > My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. > My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that smoking. > > But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? > Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 > An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop > (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only discretionary > pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From mpendy at dishmail.net Tue Apr 26 21:22:36 2011 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:22:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions References: <80A3B20AA5D74F51B754924F1F0EF17B@gdhs.local><000501cc042b$f00a3f50$d01ebdf0$@rr.com><8CDD2492633D520-1C9C-34A1@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com><003e01cc0452$a9a194b0$fce4be10$@com><003f01cc0453$e2758110$a7608330$@com> <001901cc0487$92a402e0$b7ec08a0$@rr.com> Message-ID: Heck; when a person forks out several hundred dollars for a race weekend and there is a chance they will tell you to go home 'cause your leakin oil, i'll diaper the whole car and make cut-outs for the tires and my #s and so i can see out........just my 2 cents...........Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'Jerry Barr'" ; "'MadMarx'" Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions > Hell, I know another Spitfire racer, who shall remain nameless, that made > a > "gutter" to run the oil away from his exhaust pipe. Quite a conversation > piece. > Russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Jerry Barr > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:28 PM > To: MadMarx > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' > Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > I would never do it but I know a guy that races a #49 Blue Spitfire that > made > a chicken wire and an oil absorbent diaper to stop a serious front of the > oil > pan leak. We made the whole weekend with no fires or drips. > On Apr 26, 2011, at 3:52 PM, MadMarx wrote: > >> Are you sure? >> My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. >> My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that smoking. >> >> But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? >> Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? >> >> Chris >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 >> An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' >> Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions >> >> Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you stop >> (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only > discretionary >> pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) >> >> Joe C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net From jkhagen at charter.net Wed Apr 27 15:46:15 2011 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] oil leak solutions Message-ID: <38b36f0b.19dc29.12f98ed3d8f.Webtop.43@charter.net> Its' either "depends" or no more enduros. Rebuilt TR-4 [SCCA car] headed to Elk Hart Lake 5/12--need some good karma, John Hagen On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 4:02 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > You guys crack me up!..I'm part of a group of guys called THE OLD GUYS > STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE....When we get even older we're > changing the name of our group to 'IT ALL DEPENDS' > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" > > To: "'Friends of Triumph'" > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] oil leak solutions > > >> Are you sure? >> My feel is that these patches doesn't soak much oil. >> My intention would have go to teyna lady or pampers to stop that >> smoking. >> >> But I'm free to try everything: Where should I stick that patch? >> Exhaust, gearbox, or engine block? >> >> Chris >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2011 22:49 >> An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph' >> Betreff: RE: [Fot] oil leak solutions >> >> Smoking can be remedied. There are several products that help you >> stop >> (patches for instance). But leaking can't be preventet. Only >> discretionary >> pauses in places where people can't see you can help with that! :) >> >> Joe C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Apr 27 17:17:25 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:17:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi Message-ID: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> 1. OEM style gasket 2. OEM style gasket with copper wire in liner groove 3. Steel shim gasket with copper wire 4. Steel shim gasket w/out any wire. 5. Copper gasket with steel wire in head groove. 6. Cometic gasket Gasket dressing varies We have done most all with reasonable success....except Cometic. Surprised at limited number of responses..... and the variety of solutions. Perhaps gasket sealing is a non issue or everyone is busy changing head gaskets. It appears that OEM style is understandably the most forgiving, but concern remains that it might not work well with the typically modified head. Joe A I suppose we should assume that all surfaces and assemblies are in spec. I'd like to see a Cometic and try it...we have one on order but will not receive it in time for this engine assembly. Anyother comments.....?? = From gasket.works at gte.net Wed Apr 27 18:33:00 2011 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 00:33:00 +0000 Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi In-Reply-To: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <542724799-1303950781-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1314259924-@bda712.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Gasket sealing is a dynamic deal. The axial camping force minus the combustion chamber pressure is obviously key. No sealing agent will overcome less than adequate head studs. If the liners are too proud or off between each other seepage of oil and coolant will occur with head lift during load. Stock compression and thick stock head gaskets are very forgiving. Race motors are not. MLS head gaskets were designed with intent of sliding along each portion as expansion of the head and block occur @ different rates (alum head/ iron block). Some gaskets need retorquing during warm up. Sealants come in various flavors. The holy grail is yet to be found. But there good products out there. I have tested many. I'm not going to detail results here. Solid Copper hg's are not for everyone. Some people have nothing but problems, some love them. I use them --- go figure. Work for me. Perhaps I am exacting when it comeS to liner protrusion. For the tr tractor engine symetrical liner height is crucial. Using a steel metal hg keep the protrusion no less than .003" more than .005" will likely be an immediate problem. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:17:25 To: Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi 1. OEM style gasket 2. OEM style gasket with copper wire in liner groove 3. Steel shim gasket with copper wire 4. Steel shim gasket w/out any wire. 5. Copper gasket with steel wire in head groove. 6. Cometic gasket Gasket dressing varies We have done most all with reasonable success....except Cometic. Surprised at limited number of responses..... and the variety of solutions. Perhaps gasket sealing is a non issue or everyone is busy changing head gaskets. It appears that OEM style is understandably the most forgiving, but concern remains that it might not work well with the typically modified head. Joe A I suppose we should assume that all surfaces and assemblies are in spec. I'd like to see a Cometic and try it...we have one on order but will not receive it in time for this engine assembly. Anyother comments.....?? = _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Apr 28 00:31:22 2011 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:31:22 +0200 Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi In-Reply-To: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001b01cc056d$e6cbecc0$b463c640$@com> I had used self made plain copper, copper with wire. They didn't last, half a race and the water was gone. I moved on the crimped steel shim gaskets, sold by Bastuck or Racetoratios. Both do well but after 2-3 events I have to change them. I also had an interest at Cometic, but the gasket is too thick, about 0.047" instead of the steel shim thickness of 0.0236". It seems that this gasket won't fit my engine. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von n197tr4 at cs.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. April 2011 01:17 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi 1. OEM style gasket 2. OEM style gasket with copper wire in liner groove 3. Steel shim gasket with copper wire 4. Steel shim gasket w/out any wire. 5. Copper gasket with steel wire in head groove. 6. Cometic gasket Gasket dressing varies We have done most all with reasonable success....except Cometic. Surprised at limited number of responses..... and the variety of solutions. Perhaps gasket sealing is a non issue or everyone is busy changing head gaskets. It appears that OEM style is understandably the most forgiving, but concern remains that it might not work well with the typically modified head. Joe A I suppose we should assume that all surfaces and assemblies are in spec. I'd like to see a Cometic and try it...we have one on order but will not receive it in time for this engine assembly. Anyother comments.....?? = _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Apr 28 08:07:30 2011 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:07:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi In-Reply-To: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000901cc05ad$9eb98060$dc2c8120$@com> We have had good results with the Payen, which is what I think you mean by "OEM style, and it is still available from NWBP. At least it was a couple of weeks ago when I stocked up on them. We're running a bit above 11:1 C.R. We don't use any gasket dressing, as I recall. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:17 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi 1. OEM style gasket 2. OEM style gasket with copper wire in liner groove 3. Steel shim gasket with copper wire 4. Steel shim gasket w/out any wire. 5. Copper gasket with steel wire in head groove. 6. Cometic gasket Gasket dressing varies We have done most all with reasonable success....except Cometic. Surprised at limited number of responses..... and the variety of solutions. Perhaps gasket sealing is a non issue or everyone is busy changing head gaskets. It appears that OEM style is understandably the most forgiving, but concern remains that it might not work well with the typically modified head. Joe A I suppose we should assume that all surfaces and assemblies are in spec. I'd like to see a Cometic and try it...we have one on order but will not receive it in time for this engine assembly. Anyother comments.....?? = _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Apr 28 08:21:12 2011 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:21:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi In-Reply-To: <000901cc05ad$9eb98060$dc2c8120$@com> Message-ID: Payen works for us at 12:1.....but had to make sure the head was "flat" John H. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:08 AM To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi We have had good results with the Payen, which is what I think you mean by "OEM style, and it is still available from NWBP. At least it was a couple of weeks ago when I stocked up on them. We're running a bit above 11:1 C.R. We don't use any gasket dressing, as I recall. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:17 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi 1. OEM style gasket 2. OEM style gasket with copper wire in liner groove 3. Steel shim gasket with copper wire 4. Steel shim gasket w/out any wire. 5. Copper gasket with steel wire in head groove. 6. Cometic gasket Gasket dressing varies We have done most all with reasonable success....except Cometic. Surprised at limited number of responses..... and the variety of solutions. Perhaps gasket sealing is a non issue or everyone is busy changing head gaskets. It appears that OEM style is understandably the most forgiving, but concern remains that it might not work well with the typically modified head. Joe A I suppose we should assume that all surfaces and assemblies are in spec. I'd like to see a Cometic and try it...we have one on order but will not receive it in time for this engine assembly. Anyother comments.....?? = _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Apr 28 08:43:49 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:43:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi In-Reply-To: <000901cc05ad$9eb98060$dc2c8120$@com> References: <8CDD3486717A591-2278-23456@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <000901cc05ad$9eb98060$dc2c8120$@com> Message-ID: <8CDD3C9D1DDA0DE-1B74-9909@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> Excellent! SURVEY SAYS: the guys on the east coast prefer PAYEN the guys on the west coast prefer solid gaskets simple answer to complex subject..... once again, success depends on everything being up to specifications, methinks. i gained considerably from the responses and it was greatly appreciated. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ ultimately, the Payen is likely the most forgiving...seems right. the solid gaskets work well when there is supreme attention to detail. the jury is still out on Cometic, but might be used more if it were configured closer to our needs. the use of gasket dressing is 'nothing' to several choices. I could buy into any of the choices and have a theory of my own for the steel shim gasket, but have not tried it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Thanks! this list is the best. i got about 20 responses. a nice sampling. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Tim Murphy To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:07 am Subject: RE: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi We have had good results with the Payen, which is what I think you mean by "OEM style, and it is still available from NWBP. At least it was a couple of weeks ago when I stocked up on them. We're running a bit above 11:1 C.R. We don't use any gasket dressing, as I recall. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:17 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] headgasket approaches tr3 tr4 a brief summary. fyi 1. OEM style gasket 2. OEM style gasket with copper wire in liner groove 3. Steel shim gasket with copper wire 4. Steel shim gasket w/out any wire. 5. Copper gasket with steel wire in head groove. 6. Cometic gasket Gasket dressing varies We have done most all with reasonable success....except Cometic. Surprised at limited number of responses..... and the variety of solutions. Perhaps gasket sealing is a non issue or everyone is busy changing head gaskets. It appears that OEM style is understandably the most forgiving, but concern remains that it might not work well with the typically modified head. Joe A I suppose we should assume that all surfaces and assemblies are in spec. I'd like to see a Cometic and try it...we have one on order but will not receive it in time for this engine assembly. Anyother comments.....?? = _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From riverside at southslope.net Thu Apr 28 09:42:06 2011 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:42:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Pistons Message-ID: <79B6D70EC7354C04903BF641B138992C@rileyPC> Anybody had experience with either JP or Nural pistons?? thanks! art de armond From jason at multivintage.com Thu Apr 28 14:46:46 2011 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:46:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Justin Wagner Valve Cover gaskets and other GT6 gaskets Message-ID: Continuing Gt6 gasket sources conversations . Looks like most Gt6 racers use head gaskets closer to stock. If you need something different or custom made to spec...Mordy at gasketworks can deliver what you need... he only makes head gaskets. Now please on to Justin Wagner? You are making some sort of reusable silicone Valve Cover gaskets? upon recommendation from Mordy @ gasketworks can you please forward a product description and price? I need to buy a few Valve Cover Gaskets. Thank You, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From KENMUN at aol.com Fri Apr 29 12:51:47 2011 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:51:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] tr3/4 cyl liners Message-ID: <8bd3a.75ed97ff.3aec62c3@aol.com> fot. i need at least two good used 87mm liners. thanks, ken m. vintage tr3 racer. From budscars at comcast.net Fri Apr 29 14:20:54 2011 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:20:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR2/TR3 wire wheel hubs NEEDED Message-ID: Hi Gang...If someone can help here please contact Kevin at the link in the request. Thanks Racer Bud Kevin Larkin is in need of front wire wheel hubs for drum brake TR2/TR3. These are for his TR based Doretti. If you have some or know of some please contact Kevin at kl at westek.com From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Apr 29 22:27:22 2011 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 04:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR-6 piston substitute In-Reply-To: <1458632813.1326343.1304137479408.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <543317331.1326537.1304137642908.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I am also looking for help with pistons for the Tr 6B I have been pointed to Wishbone classics because they have used a piston from a Mazda but have not received a reply. If anyone can pass along any info about this conversion it would be a a big help.B ThanksB B rob From sund_bug at colomail.com Mon Apr 25 21:27:34 2011 From: sund_bug at colomail.com (sund_bug at colomail.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:27:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Nite' - Message-ID: <20110425202734.8F24A6B1@resin14.mta.everyone.net> From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Apr 26 15:06:51 2011 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:06:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lemon's TR6 scores a Grassroots Motorsports "Most from the Least Award" Message-ID: Subject: FW: Lemon's this weekend We raced out crap can TR6 in this past weekends "Hooptie" Lemon's race at Eagles Canyon in north Texas and we won an AWARD! After the race we received the Grassroots Motorsports Magazine "Most from the Least Award" for the best finisher in the crappiest car. The Hooptie was not well attended due to the Easter weekend thing. There were 40 or so cars, almost all of them Lemon's veterans. These are the fast guys, serious Lemonheads. The TR6 was one of the slowest cars there. Regardless, our dependability and consistency kept us on the track and we hovered around the top 20 all weekend, and yes the car does look crappy. You can't see the GoodParts in the suspension or the 1965 vintage ADDCO swaybars through all the rust and decals. Most of the drivers kept it clean and we only got three black flags all weekend, two for spins (yes, one was me) and one towards the end of the weekend when only the leaders (fast cars) were still on the track and they decided to pull us in to tell us to go faster and/or get out of the way better. We also had a couple of "hey your dragging something" flags when the speedo cable came loose and later when someone left a set of arm restraints in the car only to have them fall through the jacking hole....slowly enough that a corner worker saw it happen. Does everyone have those rubber plugs disappear like I do? I know, metal plates solve the problem...... Our car suffers from float bowl issues, stumbling badly coming out of turns, worse on lefthanders. The poor old car handles so well that it is very noticeable to the drivers that the stock engine, sputtering out of corners really hurts laps times. The Strombergs are going to be tossed and we'll replace them with some TR4 tested SU's for the future. We know how to work with those float bowls. The Lucas alternator never did work but Joe Hovey brought his "one wire" Geo Metro version from his race Spit and we enjoyed not having to swap batteries on Sunday. Typically, as the weekend progressed the clutch slave got a little pissy, if you know what I mean and shifting got harder late in the day. Power seemed to be going down too, but we messed with the timing "by ear" in a pit stop and probably got that wrong. The North Texas crew, JoeHovey, Bill Collins and Ed Barnard did a fabulous job for us. With 6 drivers, 3 crew, we had the event covered. They did a lot of running around, handled the fueling ($4.00 a gallon gas runs quickly through a TR6 at quasi race speeds), set tire pressures, bled brakes etc. They made the weekend spectacular from the experience standpoint. They'll all be driving in the Dec Lemon's race at Texas Motor Speedway, along with Bobby Whitehead, who not only regaled us with his singing and guitar playing Saturday night he, the Pawn Star of CVAR, sponsored much of the cost of this weekend for us. Bobby's singing was so good that it drunks from all over the garage area were wondering over to our pit. Thank you's go out to the Sherlock Homeboyz, V.1 who built the car and V.2 for a great weekend. Thanks to Tim Suddard for the nice plaque. We earned and deserved it! We love the way Tim and his two magazines support Triumphs and racing in general. It is quite an honor to take one of those home in a TR6, and I hereby make you an honorary member of the Homeboyz (don't reject us, please). I'd send it to you for your collection, but just pull one out of the box and say I did, OK? We got a little press, see the link below. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-687-7422 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. ~John Wooden ________________________________ From: Robert MacKenzie [mailto:robert at mackenzie.aero] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 8:20 AM To: Kramer, Robert; 'Greg & Alison Blake'; 'Andrew Kramer' Cc: jhovey1 at sbcglobal.net; 'Andrew Kramer'; 'Bob Baker'; Rblake36 at yahoo.com; igofaster at att.net; edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; 'William Collins'; 'Blake, Gregory S' Subject: RE: Lemon's this weekend You guys got some good press: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/04/huggy-bear-shos-galore-and-a-tr6-bs- inspections-at-the-north-dallas-hooptie-24-hours-of-lemons/ Robert MacKenzie President, Hill Country Triumph Club president at hillcountrytriumphclub.org www.hillcountrytriumphclub.org [cid:image001.jpg at 01CC042B.F4406EF0] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Apr 30 09:56:26 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 08:56:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR2/TR3 wire wheel hubs NEEDED In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <043301cc074f$29cad030$0301a8c0@randall> > Kevin Larkin is in need of front wire wheel hubs for > drum brake TR2/TR3. Has he tried TRF? They have them listed as available. PN 108277/108278; $200 each. https://secure.zeni.net/trf/ -- Randall From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sat Apr 30 10:06:07 2011 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:06:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR-6 piston substitute In-Reply-To: <543317331.1326537.1304137642908.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1458632813.1326343.1304137479408.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <543317331.1326537.1304137642908.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000a01cc0750$83fb14b0$8bf13e10$@rr.com> I'd love to hear about it too. Looking for cheap parts to build a fast street engine. Thanks, Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 11:27 PM To: team, FOT Subject: [Fot] TR-6 piston substitute I am also looking for help with pistons for the Tr 6B I have been pointed to Wishbone classics because they have used a piston from a Mazda but have not received a reply. If anyone can pass along any info about this conversion it would be a a big help.B ThanksB B rob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From donmarshall at nefcom.net Sat Apr 30 10:37:06 2011 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:37:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire oil cooler orientation Message-ID: I'm curious if anyone has their oil cooler mounted with the openings at the bottom and if there have been any problems. This is for a Spitfire with the 1147 engine. As best I can tell it was raced most of its life with the oil cooler feeding from the bottom so I'm guessing that it won't be a problem but I thought I'd check with the group just in case. From what I've read, there may be concerns about air getting trapped at the top of the cooler as well as the possibility of oil not making it all the way through and being less effective than it should. Does anyone have any direct experience with this? Thanks, Don -- From billb at bnj.com Sat Apr 30 10:55:50 2011 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 09:55:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire oil cooler orientation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35886EA5-D52E-4E46-AD90-27241828A4D3@bnj.com> I've always done it that way. I suppose there could be a problem, but I've never seen one. I'll tell you for sure that if there's an air bubble it's a little one, when I drain the thing it always seems to have far more oil in it than it should hold--especially if I don't get the drain pan in the right place. I do, of course, make sure my oiling system is full by pre-running the pump with a drill before I open the Accusump and start the motor for the first time. On Apr 30, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Don Marshall wrote: > I'm curious if anyone has their oil cooler mounted with the openings at > the bottom and if there have been any problems. This is for a Spitfire > with the 1147 engine. As best I can tell it was raced most of its life > with the oil cooler feeding from the bottom so I'm guessing that it won't > be a problem but I thought I'd check with the group just in case. From > what I've read, there may be concerns about air getting trapped at the top > of the cooler as well as the possibility of oil not making it all the way > through and being less effective than it should. Does anyone have any > direct experience with this? Thanks, Don > > -- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spitlist at cox.net Sat Apr 30 11:19:56 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:19:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire oil cooler orientation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I tried mounting one with the openings at the bottom for obvious reasons. But I found that it put the hoses too close to the ground for my own confidence, so I turned it over. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Marshall Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 9:37 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire oil cooler orientation I'm curious if anyone has their oil cooler mounted with the openings at the bottom and if there have been any problems. This is for a Spitfire with the 1147 engine. As best I can tell it was raced most of its life with the oil cooler feeding from the bottom so I'm guessing that it won't be a problem but I thought I'd check with the group just in case. From what I've read, there may be concerns about air getting trapped at the top of the cooler as well as the possibility of oil not making it all the way through and being less effective than it should. Does anyone have any direct experience with this? Thanks, Don -- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com Sat Apr 30 13:36:27 2011 From: jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com (john preston) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 15:36:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire oil cooler orientation In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I mounted mine in front of the radiator on its side.. flat sides up and down with entrance and exits towards engine. I know it sounds strange but it seem to cool well, it easy to drain in the car, hoses are easy on and off. I have not had any problems ...yet. John Preston > From: spitlist at cox.net > To: donmarshall at nefcom.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:19:56 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire oil cooler orientation > > I tried mounting one with the openings at the bottom for obvious reasons. > But I found that it put the hoses too close to the ground for my own > confidence, so I turned it over. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Don Marshall > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 9:37 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire oil cooler orientation > > I'm curious if anyone has their oil cooler mounted with the openings at > the bottom and if there have been any problems. This is for a Spitfire > with the 1147 engine. As best I can tell it was raced most of its life > with the oil cooler feeding from the bottom so I'm guessing that it won't > be a problem but I thought I'd check with the group just in case. From > what I've read, there may be concerns about air getting trapped at the top > of the cooler as well as the possibility of oil not making it all the way > through and being less effective than it should. Does anyone have any > direct experience with this? Thanks, Don > > -- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com From igofaster at att.net Sat Apr 30 21:08:14 2011 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Please don't disown me Message-ID: <202408.34784.qm@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> After a wonderful 1st experience with 24 hr of Lemons.. I decided I needed a $500 project for Lemons. Viola !!! A 1993 Miata is in my near future. Hey... with 3 Triumphs, I needed something to work on... Bobby Whitehead