From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Mon Nov 1 02:04:37 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 02:04:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Head torque 2 Message-ID: I forgot to mention a couple of things. Make sure that the fine threads on the studs are not distorted. Wire brush them clean and then inspect them under bright light against a white wall. The threads should not tilt upward, but should be nice and uniform. After 50 years of head gasket replacements the threads will eventually become distorted and will bent upwards. Any studs like this should be discarded. Another way to check them is to take two studs and fit the threads together. Hold them up to the white wall and there should be no light visible between the threads of the two studs. If the threads of one stud are distorted, light will be visible. Check the bottom of each nut. feel the inside of the hole. The threads should not be pulled downwards. When a nut is machined, there is always a little bevel on the inside of the hole leading into the first thread. As the nuts are torque again and again, the thread will pull downwards. If these threads are distorted, discard the nuts. Replacing the nuts with good Grade 8 "high nuts" is a good idea. A "high nut" is a nut that is about 1 1/4 times taller than a normal nut of the same size. Curtiss Industries makes good ones that are heat treated to have a tensil strength of 180,000 psi. Lawson Industries also distributes similar nuts. Of course all ARP hardware is top notch, but I do not like the look of 12 point head nuts on a Vintage race car, they just don't look right. I do not believe that ARP make a hex "high nut" Finally make sure that the nuts will spin on to the studs easily with your fingers before using them. Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From andre at gt6.ca Mon Nov 1 03:22:05 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 06:22:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] drivers suit opinions In-Reply-To: References: <0C2712E4-319A-43D8-8AE5-8099594BB5DD@bnj.com> Message-ID: 3 layer one piece OMP with undies. 1 safer due to a longer burn time and 2 despite the PITA factor for the undies I found they dried out faster then the race suit. IE you sweat a lot so its better to have a barrier between you and the suit. My last race in late Sept I left the undies on post race because it was rather cool that weekend. IMG_1072.JPG A. On 31 October 2010 22:53, Norlin Engineering wrote: > Agree on the one piece three layer. I started with the two piece with > undies - lots of bits and it all moves around. Went to a two layer one > piece with undies - much better, but the new three piece is much better - > and in my opinion actually cooler. I still carry the two piece with undies > in addition to the three piece for really long weekends. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Nov 1 08:33:59 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:33:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH TRAILER FOR SALE....delete if not interested Message-ID: <8CD47F156E3B094-141C-9E785@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Sean would like to have a different trailer that suits his purposes better. Enclosed with clamshell openings front and rear... aluminum frame two new 3500# axles with electric brakes. electric winch it occurs to me that i will be taking trailer to LA area, the week of the 8th of Nov, and could deliver there or on a return route. $1850 THANKS! Joe From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Nov 1 08:57:25 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Head torque 2 follow up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <791033240.537133.1288627045320.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Just as a follow up, if you use the head studs as picking points to hoist the motor into the car, the threads can be easily dinged enough to skew the torque values. I use the ARP's but not to hoist from, I keep a pair of original studs for that purpose. I caught an episode of Horsepower TV last week when they did a test on ARP bolts with different lubricants and it's amazing the wild swings in torque you can get with the different lubricants. They sold me, nothing but ARP lube with ARP bolts. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, November 1, 2010 3:04:37 AM Subject: [Fot] Head torque 2 I forgot to mention a couple of things. B Make sure that the fine threads on the studs are not distorted. Wire brush them clean and then inspect them under bright light against a white wall. The threads should not tilt upward, but should be nice and uniform. After 50 years of head gasket replacements the threads will eventually become distorted and will bent upwards. Any studs like this should be discarded. Another way to check them is to take two studs and fit the threads together. Hold them up to the white wall and there should be no light visible between the threads of the two studs. If the threads of one stud are distorted, light will be visible. Check the bottom of each nut. feel the inside of the hole. The threads should not be pulled downwards. When a nut is machined, there is always a little bevel on the inside of the hole leading into the first thread. As the nuts are torque again and again, the thread will pull downwards. If these threads are distorted, discard the nuts. Replacing the nuts with good Grade 8 "high nuts" is a good idea. A "high nut" is a nut that is about 1 1/4 times taller than a normal nut of the same size. Curtiss Industries makes good ones that are heat treated to have a tensil strength of 180,000 psi. B Lawson Industries also distributes similar nuts. B Of course all ARP hardware is top notch, but I do not like the look of 12 point head nuts on a Vintage race car, they just don't look right. I do not believe that ARP make a hex "high nut" B Finally make sure that the nuts will spin on to the studs easily with your fingers before using them. B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Nov 1 09:54:27 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:54:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] engine break-in In-Reply-To: <1CCE8B51FCC348C6B307A4FB3E29607C@your89d26e0447> References: <001801cb7741$02ae7b80$080b7280$@camoletti.ch> <1CCE8B51FCC348C6B307A4FB3E29607C@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: <4CCEF0C3.7090309@pobox.com> I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that Shell Rotella oil was still using the high zinc (SAE SJ rating) for some time after the automotive oils had switched to the new low zinc SM rating, but it now has the low zinc rating as well. Getting the exact current spec would be better, but lacking that just check the side of the container. Unfortunately, many specs found on the internet are outdated. I have been using straight 30 weight oil with an intermediate SL rating in my street Triumph and other old nonracing engines. -Larry On 10/30/2010 1:38 AM, Greg Solow wrote: > You may be able to contact Shell Oil technical services in > Europe..They could tell you the Zinc and Phosphorus content of the > Shell Rotella oils available in Europe. I would bet they are the same > as here. The "automotive Diesel" grade oils that are sold here, were > formulated for European Diesel engine cars to meet the car > manufacturer's specs. You are looking for over 1600 parts per million > of Zink and 1300 parts per million of Phosphorus. > > Greg Solow _______________________________________________ From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Nov 1 10:37:18 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 10:37:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] engine break-in In-Reply-To: <4CCEF0C3.7090309@pobox.com> References: <001801cb7741$02ae7b80$080b7280$@camoletti.ch> <1CCE8B51FCC348C6B307A4FB3E29607C@your89d26e0447> <4CCEF0C3.7090309@pobox.com> Message-ID: <04e501cb79eb$6ebb5f80$4c321e80$@rr.com> > I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that Shell Rotella oil > was still using the high zinc (SAE SJ rating) for some time after the > automotive oils had switched to the new low zinc SM rating, but it now > has the low zinc rating as well. They did reduce ZDDP content slightly a few years ago. The document I have indicates that the 'old' Rotella T CI-4 had 1400 ppm zinc, while the 'new' Rotella T CJ-4 has "only" 1210 ppm zinc. But that is still almost twice that allowed for SM oil. And FWIW, they claim to have other, extra additives that make up the difference. The same document claims the new oil now contains 35 ppm of Boron while the old one contained none. That may or may not actually mean anything of course, but I have seen boron-based additives mentioned in the search for a ZDDP replacement. -- Randall From bownes at seiri.com Mon Nov 1 10:46:34 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:46:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH TRAILER FOR SALE....delete if not interested In-Reply-To: <8CD47F156E3B094-141C-9E785@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD47F156E3B094-141C-9E785@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Which reminds me, I'm thinking of putting my 24' enclosed up for sale locally (Albany, NY) if anyone here would like first shot. 24' haulmark, 8'wide, work bench, 110v lighting, generator door/enclosure, rear door winches down (rather than sprung) using on board 110V electric winch, observation deck on the roof (needs new plywood decking). Bob On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:33 AM, wrote: > Sean would like to have a different trailer that suits his purposes > better. > > Enclosed with clamshell openings front and rear... > aluminum frame > two new 3500# axles with electric brakes. > electric winch > > it occurs to me that i will be taking trailer to LA area, the week of the > 8th > of Nov, and could deliver there or on a return route. > > $1850 > > THANKS! > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From riverside at southslope.net Mon Nov 1 11:53:46 2010 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:53:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] head torque Message-ID: <002601cb79f6$1e24e040$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Does a hot stud stretch more than a cold one at a given torque spec? If so, what are the implications if any? art de armond From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Nov 1 14:37:42 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 22:37:42 +0100 Subject: [Fot] head torque In-Reply-To: <002601cb79f6$1e24e040$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <002601cb79f6$1e24e040$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <000e01cb7a0d$08300780$18901680$@com> A long hot bolt expand from heat, more than a short one. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von riverside Gesendet: Montag, 1. November 2010 19:54 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] head torque Does a hot stud stretch more than a cold one at a given torque spec? If so, what are the implications if any? art de armond _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Nov 1 17:57:16 2010 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 20:57:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Tires Message-ID: What tires are folks running in Vintage on their Spitfires these days? Thanks, Marty From budscars at comcast.net Mon Nov 1 18:12:52 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 18:12:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Tires References: Message-ID: Hi Marty...It depends on the Sanctioning group..I use Dunlop Vintage Racing 135/545/13.....that's as wide as a Spitfire is allowed to use with CSRG...It's very period correct to 1967 rules...which we agree to adhere to. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 5:57 PM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Tires > What tires are folks running in Vintage on their Spitfires these days? > > Thanks, > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From bluebit at comcast.net Mon Nov 1 18:34:09 2010 From: bluebit at comcast.net (Jim%20Roelofs) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 01:34:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Check out my photos on Facebook In-Reply-To: <8bb78e0a42c860b20990ff8c7367caab@www.facebook.com> Message-ID: <636525842.339784.1288661649314.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I am sorry and do not know how this invitation was sent. Please disregard. Jim Roelofs 303-862-9371 (h) 303-629-3545 (w) bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred) ----- Original Message ----- From: "James E Roelofs" To: "Friends Of Triumph" Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 8:45:36 PM Subject: [Fot] Check out my photos on Facebook Hi Friends, I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. Thanks, James To sign up for Facebook, follow the link below: http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=100000090934512&k=Z6E3Y5WRUW4CZCFJPB63QUVZR3B 1X33NUWHYFD3BQT&r Already have an account? Add this email address to your account: http://www.facebook.com/n/?merge_accounts.php&e=fot%40autox.team.net&c=e1d8b2 c84ed5c4bb2237931fde46d39f ======================================= fot at autox.team.net was invited to join Facebook by James E Roelofs. If you do not wish to receive this type of email from Facebook in the future, please follow the link below to unsubscribe. http://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=74f522&u=100001791913713&mid=33826fdG5af37b48 aef1G0G8 Facebook, Inc. P.O. Box 10005, Palo Alto, CA 94303 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bluebit at comcast.net From ac at camoletti.ch Tue Nov 2 04:31:09 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 12:31:09 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Shell Rotella Message-ID: <001e01cb7a81$72909940$57b1cbc0$@camoletti.ch> Gentlemen, Following the informative exchange about running in oils, I still wonder what Rotella (there are several variations) you use for initial run in ? We European based folks will have to buy from the US as the Rotella family of oils is available only in North America and Thailand. In Europe Shell have the Rimula family for heavy duty (buses, lorries, etc), but it will not be up to the job, see below: I discussed this morning with an engineer of Shell in Switzerland. The Rimula lorries oils are totally different from the Rotella family, as diesel engine design in Europe and US is quite different and the oils are based on the engines used locally. Shell even have specific oils for Switzerland (tiny country with barely 7 million inhabitants) ! The engineer explained that the Shell oils here for passenger cars have low formulations of Zinc and Phosphorus (well below 1000/million). He searched his analysis database and came with a RIMULA "universal" oil (both for trains, cars, lorries, etc, heavy and light duty use) in 10W40-or 15W40 with content of 1200/million Zinc ad 1000/million Phosphorus. It is the RIMULA R3-U+ 10W40 or 15W40. As it seems a bit low in Zinc and Phosphorus (Greg Solow advised 1600 and 1300 respectively), I will buy Rotella in the US. So what Rotella do you use for engine start up? Thank you ! Cheers Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : Alexandre Camoletti [mailto:ac at camoletti.ch] Envoyi : lundi 1 novembre 2010 09:47 @ : 'Greg Solow' Objet : RE: [Fot] engine break-in Thank you Greg! Inf act what type of Rotella should be used for initial engine start up, just searched a little bit and found it is a family of oils with many different ones? And apparently Rotella is not available in Europe, only in North America and Thailand according to shell.com Here for lorries Shell proposes various grades/qualities of RIMULA. I will ask them the phosphorus and zinc content. Thank you again ! Cheers Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : Greg Solow [mailto:gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com] Envoyi : samedi 30 octobre 2010 08:39 @ : Alexandre Camoletti; Friends of Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] engine break-in You may be able to contact Shell Oil technical services in Europe..They could tell you the Zinc and Phosphorus content of the Shell Rotella oils available in Europe. I would bet they are the same as here. The "automotive Diesel" grade oils that are sold here, were formulated for European Diesel engine cars to meet the car manufacturer's specs. You are looking for over 1600 parts per million of Zink and 1300 parts per million of Phosphorus. Greg Solow From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Nov 2 05:20:18 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 13:20:18 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Shell Rotella In-Reply-To: <001e01cb7a81$72909940$57b1cbc0$@camoletti.ch> References: <001e01cb7a81$72909940$57b1cbc0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <000601cb7a88$514af940$f3e0ebc0$@com> I never bothered much with special oils. I fill in my racing oil and treat the engine badly from the beginning on. 10W60 or 5W50 oil from the big brands and here we go. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Alexandre Camoletti Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. November 2010 12:31 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Shell Rotella Gentlemen, Following the informative exchange about running in oils, I still wonder what Rotella (there are several variations) you use for initial run in ? We European based folks will have to buy from the US as the Rotella family of oils is available only in North America and Thailand. In Europe Shell have the Rimula family for heavy duty (buses, lorries, etc), but it will not be up to the job, see below: I discussed this morning with an engineer of Shell in Switzerland. The Rimula lorries oils are totally different from the Rotella family, as diesel engine design in Europe and US is quite different and the oils are based on the engines used locally. Shell even have specific oils for Switzerland (tiny country with barely 7 million inhabitants) ! The engineer explained that the Shell oils here for passenger cars have low formulations of Zinc and Phosphorus (well below 1000/million). He searched his analysis database and came with a RIMULA "universal" oil (both for trains, cars, lorries, etc, heavy and light duty use) in 10W40-or 15W40 with content of 1200/million Zinc ad 1000/million Phosphorus. It is the RIMULA R3-U+ 10W40 or 15W40. As it seems a bit low in Zinc and Phosphorus (Greg Solow advised 1600 and 1300 respectively), I will buy Rotella in the US. So what Rotella do you use for engine start up? Thank you ! Cheers Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : Alexandre Camoletti [mailto:ac at camoletti.ch] Envoyi : lundi 1 novembre 2010 09:47 @ : 'Greg Solow' Objet : RE: [Fot] engine break-in Thank you Greg! Inf act what type of Rotella should be used for initial engine start up, just searched a little bit and found it is a family of oils with many different ones? And apparently Rotella is not available in Europe, only in North America and Thailand according to shell.com Here for lorries Shell proposes various grades/qualities of RIMULA. I will ask them the phosphorus and zinc content. Thank you again ! Cheers Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : Greg Solow [mailto:gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com] Envoyi : samedi 30 octobre 2010 08:39 @ : Alexandre Camoletti; Friends of Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] engine break-in You may be able to contact Shell Oil technical services in Europe..They could tell you the Zinc and Phosphorus content of the Shell Rotella oils available in Europe. I would bet they are the same as here. The "automotive Diesel" grade oils that are sold here, were formulated for European Diesel engine cars to meet the car manufacturer's specs. You are looking for over 1600 parts per million of Zink and 1300 parts per million of Phosphorus. Greg Solow _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Nov 2 07:50:44 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:50:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] engine break-in In-Reply-To: <20101029062931.9E217187669@autox.team.net> References: <20101028.191124.14831.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> <7.1.0.9.0.20101029011527.049f4e90@tonydrews.com> <20101029062931.9E217187669@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4CD02544.1090705@pobox.com> Another reason for the 20 minutes at 2000 to 2500 RPM is that it reduces the stress on the cam. The highest stress point is on the nose of the cam due to the high spring force and small radius of curvature. When running the inertial forces will act counter to the spring force and reduce the stress at the nose of the cam. Another way to reduce the stress is to run only the outer springs during breakin. I have never done this, but it sounds like a good idea and it can't hurt. Installing the inner springs is not difficult with the correct tool. Larry On 10/29/2010 1:30 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > Oops - too long, forgot to . > > The 20 to 25 minutes at 2000 to 2500 (with high zddp oil) is key to > the cam and lifters. I do that with every rebuild in the garage. > That's usually a great time to have a beer to celebrate and to let me > neighbors know that I still have the race car. > > - Tony Drews From ac at camoletti.ch Tue Nov 2 08:53:01 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:53:01 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tr3 Cylinder pressures Message-ID: <002201cb7aa6$07ca9d70$175fd850$@camoletti.ch> Gentlemen, How can I calculate the cylinder pressures in a TR3A head, with 87 mm Mahle flat pistons and 10:1 compression ratio ? Stroke is standard. If it is possible at all, as it may depend on inlet flow capabilities I suppose. Engine will run extensively flowed SU 1 3/4 H6 as well as also much flown inlet manifold (base is the stock item, but no increase in tube ID, just radiusing everything corner) and larger (1.634'') and modern shape inlet valves. If this info is of use for the question. Thank you ! Cheers! Alex From ac at camoletti.ch Tue Nov 2 09:13:03 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:13:03 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <002201cb7aa6$07ca9d70$175fd850$@camoletti.ch> References: <002201cb7aa6$07ca9d70$175fd850$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <004001cb7aa8$d44f91f0$7ceeb5d0$@camoletti.ch> But the cam specs and "intensity" certainly has an influence as well on pressures. Engine is not built yet and the info is needed by Jeff Schlemmer (www.advanceddistributors.com) to recalibrate original distributor accordingly. He can live without but the recurving would be better suited with some idea of the cylinder pressures. Cam is a Piper 3TR specs by TR Enterprises (a think it is a special grind for them) with 3000; 40/80-80/40, lift .452-.450''but as Simon Watson told me, cam is not so extreme it may look from the numbers, so it is relatively tractable mid range, if this info may help on the subject. Or did Simon have the opportunity to measure cylinder pressures with this cam installed and a CR of approx. 10:1 ? -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Alexandre Camoletti Envoyi : mardi 2 novembre 2010 16:53 @ : fot at autox.team.net Objet : [Fot] Tr3 Cylinder pressures Gentlemen, How can I calculate the cylinder pressures in a TR3A head, with 87 mm Mahle flat pistons and 10:1 compression ratio ? Stroke is standard. If it is possible at all, as it may depend on inlet flow capabilities I suppose. Engine will run extensively flowed SU 1 3/4 H6 as well as also much flown inlet manifold (base is the stock item, but no increase in tube ID, just radiusing everything corner) and larger (1.634'') and modern shape inlet valves. If this info is of use for the question. Thank you ! Cheers! Alex _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Nov 2 09:46:15 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:46:15 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <004001cb7aa8$d44f91f0$7ceeb5d0$@camoletti.ch> References: <002201cb7aa6$07ca9d70$175fd850$@camoletti.ch> <004001cb7aa8$d44f91f0$7ceeb5d0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> I'm not sure what you are looking for but with a similar cam and 10:1 I had 13,5 bar compression, with 11:1 it is 14,5. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Alexandre Camoletti Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. November 2010 17:13 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tr3 Cylinder pressures But the cam specs and "intensity" certainly has an influence as well on pressures. Engine is not built yet and the info is needed by Jeff Schlemmer (www.advanceddistributors.com) to recalibrate original distributor accordingly. He can live without but the recurving would be better suited with some idea of the cylinder pressures. Cam is a Piper 3TR specs by TR Enterprises (a think it is a special grind for them) with 3000; 40/80-80/40, lift .452-.450''but as Simon Watson told me, cam is not so extreme it may look from the numbers, so it is relatively tractable mid range, if this info may help on the subject. Or did Simon have the opportunity to measure cylinder pressures with this cam installed and a CR of approx. 10:1 ? -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Alexandre Camoletti Envoyi : mardi 2 novembre 2010 16:53 @ : fot at autox.team.net Objet : [Fot] Tr3 Cylinder pressures Gentlemen, How can I calculate the cylinder pressures in a TR3A head, with 87 mm Mahle flat pistons and 10:1 compression ratio ? Stroke is standard. If it is possible at all, as it may depend on inlet flow capabilities I suppose. Engine will run extensively flowed SU 1 3/4 H6 as well as also much flown inlet manifold (base is the stock item, but no increase in tube ID, just radiusing everything corner) and larger (1.634'') and modern shape inlet valves. If this info is of use for the question. Thank you ! Cheers! Alex _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Nov 2 10:10:37 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 10:10:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> Message-ID: <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> Pretty sure that what he's looking for is brake mean effective pressure (BMEP) which is rarely measured--it's a calculated value. Alexandre, I don't know what your tuner is up to, but you really can't get there from here. To calculate BMEP you need to measure torque and cylinder volume, then do the math. For what it's worth, these engines are nowhere near theoretical limits so the bmep would likely be 7 to 8.5 bar. No idea what he'll do with that. Begin forwarded message: > From: "MadMarx" > Date: November 2, 2010 9:46:15 AM PDT > To: "'Alexandre Camoletti'" , > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr3 Cylinder pressures > > I'm not sure what you are looking for but with a similar cam and 10:1 I had > 13,5 bar compression, with 11:1 it is 14,5. > > Cheers > Chris From harmug at us.ibm.com Tue Nov 2 10:36:08 2010 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 13:36:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] What tires are folks running in Vintage on their Spitfires these days? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Marty, I run the Hoosier Street TDs. I bought a set for the Limerock Fall race and the distributor told me that they were one of the last old sets available. Hoosier has a new compound for them and a friend was using the new compound at Limerock. He said they didn't come up to temperature as quickly as the old compound. He spun the car a few times, which is something I rarely see him do, but he was happy with them once they got up to temp. mike From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Nov 2 10:49:42 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 10:49:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> Message-ID: <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> > For what it's worth, these engines are > nowhere near > theoretical limits so the bmep would likely be 7 to 8.5 bar. OTOH, the TR2 workshop manual has a curve that shows approx 9.8 bar around peak torque (3000-3500 rpm). -- Randall From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Nov 2 11:56:13 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:56:13 EDT Subject: [Fot] Paging Ostronski (sp?) Message-ID: I can find your email address. Some news about John Weinberger. Thanks, Joe From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Nov 2 14:13:24 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:13:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve guide shape Message-ID: <20101102211343.28142187644@autox.team.net> FoT I'm looking for opinions on how to treat the valve guides as they are in the intake and exhaust runners. I've seen bullet shaped guides and heard of guides shaved flush with port wall. Input is appreciated as always, Jim G From billb at bnj.com Tue Nov 2 14:26:56 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:26:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4D40823E-645F-4760-B657-7EC8FBC2A767@bnj.com> Hmm, that works out to 262 HP for a 2 liter engine at 6000 RPM. Of course I don't know what RPM that BMEP is at. But I'd like to have that motor in Peyote. On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Randall wrote: >> For what it's worth, these engines are >> nowhere near >> theoretical limits so the bmep would likely be 7 to 8.5 bar. > > OTOH, the TR2 workshop manual has a curve that shows approx 9.8 bar around > peak torque (3000-3500 rpm). > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From billbab at me.com Tue Nov 2 14:32:24 2010 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 14:32:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <4D40823E-645F-4760-B657-7EC8FBC2A767@bnj.com> References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> <4D40823E-645F-4760-B657-7EC8FBC2A767@bnj.com> Message-ID: Oops, didn't notice the 300-3500. Assuming 350 and a 2 liter motor thats 153 horsepower. I'll take it. On Nov 2, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Hmm, that works out to 262 HP for a 2 liter engine at 6000 RPM. Of course I don't know what RPM that BMEP is at. But I'd like to have that motor in Peyote. > > > On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Randall wrote: > >>> For what it's worth, these engines are >>> nowhere near >>> theoretical limits so the bmep would likely be 7 to 8.5 bar. >> >> OTOH, the TR2 workshop manual has a curve that shows approx 9.8 bar around >> peak torque (3000-3500 rpm). >> >> -- Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From kaskas at cox.net Tue Nov 2 15:10:15 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:10:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve guide shape In-Reply-To: <20101102211343.28142187644@autox.team.net> References: <20101102211343.28142187644@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1C8713562C0D450DBA7BC8390AAF27CA@KasPC> I've tried every manner possible and after running then in the dyno I think that grinding the thing flush gave the best results. BUT, very difficult to really see any power difference. I have been lead down the garden path so many times with flow bench numbers I don't believe any of them now. Experience will cover the testing. If you do a head job a couple times a year then I think that is the way. You do remove part of the support for the valve so if you do not pay attention to valve gear and replace stuff in a reasonable time fashion then, I recommend making the top of the guide into a cone and then put them in after the porting job. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Gray" Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 2:13 PM To: "Friends of triumph" Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve guide shape > FoT > > I'm looking for opinions on how to treat the valve guides as > > they are in the intake and exhaust runners. > > I've seen bullet shaped guides and heard of guides shaved flush with > > port wall. > > Input is appreciated as always, > > > > Jim G > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Nov 2 15:24:36 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:24:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> <4D40823E-645F-4760-B657-7EC8FBC2A767@bnj.com> Message-ID: <062401cb7adc$bc3254c0$3496fe40$@rr.com> > Oops, didn't notice the 300-3500. Assuming 350 and a 2 liter motor > thats 153 horsepower. I'll take it. Check again, I think you used the conversion for a 2-cycle engine. Divide by 2 for a 4-stroke. -- Randall From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Tue Nov 2 15:43:43 2010 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 18:43:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Special Appearance of the Grill BAdge at Summit Point Turkey Bowl Message-ID: <9ACAF652-8D74-4881-BEAB-1CDD434BCA8D@aol.com> Amici, If there is enough interest there will be an appearance of the first FOT Grill Badge. So, Who is going? I will not be there, but a fellow FOT-er will be with the badge. Chris From billb at bnj.com Tue Nov 2 15:58:50 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:58:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <062401cb7adc$bc3254c0$3496fe40$@rr.com> References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> <4D40823E-645F-4760-B657-7EC8FBC2A767@bnj.com> <062401cb7adc$bc3254c0$3496fe40$@rr.com> Message-ID: <7AA82A5A-B0BE-4487-915D-84DE234D8623@bnj.com> Oops again. Yeah, I used 6500 instead of 13000. On Nov 2, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Randall wrote: >> Oops, didn't notice the 300-3500. Assuming 350 and a 2 liter motor >> thats 153 horsepower. I'll take it. > > Check again, I think you used the conversion for a 2-cycle engine. Divide > by 2 for a 4-stroke. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Nov 2 16:11:24 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:11:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <7AA82A5A-B0BE-4487-915D-84DE234D8623@bnj.com> References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> <4D40823E-645F-4760-B657-7EC8FBC2A767@bnj.com> <062401cb7adc$bc3254c0$3496fe40$@rr.com> <7AA82A5A-B0BE-4487-915D-84DE234D8623@bnj.com> Message-ID: <063001cb7ae3$48ec1f30$dac45d90$@rr.com> > Oops again. Yeah, I used 6500 instead of 13000. Anyway, my point was not to argue about the numbers, only that BMEP varies with rpm and drops off significantly at higher rpms, due to restriction in the intake and exhaust. Your 7 to 8.5 bar (roughly 100 to 120 psi) is probably reasonable at the revs these engines see on the race track, since folks are presumably pushing the upper limits of breathing. None of which, unfortunately, gets Alexandre what he wants, which is presumably BMEP across the rev range he is planning to run at, for the purposes of guessing at optimum timing. With head porting and camshaft design being the black arts they are, I suspect the only good way to answer the question is to run the motor on a dyno and measure it. Of course, getting best power implies finding the best timing first, so might as well keep that rather than going through the BMEP calculation. Anyway, that's my theory -- Randall From billb at bnj.com Tue Nov 2 17:07:20 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:07:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <063001cb7ae3$48ec1f30$dac45d90$@rr.com> References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> <4D40823E-645F-4760-B657-7EC8FBC2A767@bnj.com> <062401cb7adc$bc3254c0$3496fe40$@rr.com> <7AA82A5A-B0BE-4487-915D-84DE234D8623@bnj.com> <063001cb7ae3$48ec1f30$dac45d90$@rr.com> Message-ID: And my point exactly. On Nov 2, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Randall wrote: >> Oops again. Yeah, I used 6500 instead of 13000. > > Anyway, my point was not to argue about the numbers, only that BMEP varies > with rpm and drops off significantly at higher rpms, due to restriction in > the intake and exhaust. Your 7 to 8.5 bar (roughly 100 to 120 psi) is > probably reasonable at the revs these engines see on the race track, since > folks are presumably pushing the upper limits of breathing. > > None of which, unfortunately, gets Alexandre what he wants, which is > presumably BMEP across the rev range he is planning to run at, for the > purposes of guessing at optimum timing. With head porting and camshaft > design being the black arts they are, I suspect the only good way to answer > the question is to run the motor on a dyno and measure it. Of course, > getting best power implies finding the best timing first, so might as well > keep that rather than going through the BMEP calculation. > > Anyway, that's my theory > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 3 07:39:36 2010 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 10:39:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Special Appearance of the Grill BAdge at Summit Point Turkey Bowl In-Reply-To: <9ACAF652-8D74-4881-BEAB-1CDD434BCA8D@aol.com> References: <9ACAF652-8D74-4881-BEAB-1CDD434BCA8D@aol.com> Message-ID: > If there is enough interest there will be an appearance of the > first FOT Grill Badge. > > So, Who is going? > > I will not be there, but a fellow FOT-er will be with the badge. > > > Chris I will be there as a spectator. I did not order a badge. John H. From ac at camoletti.ch Wed Nov 3 07:47:12 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 15:47:12 +0100 Subject: [Fot] engine break-in In-Reply-To: <04e501cb79eb$6ebb5f80$4c321e80$@rr.com> References: <001801cb7741$02ae7b80$080b7280$@camoletti.ch> <1CCE8B51FCC348C6B307A4FB3E29607C@your89d26e0447> <4CCEF0C3.7090309@pobox.com> <04e501cb79eb$6ebb5f80$4c321e80$@rr.com> Message-ID: <001401cb7b66$04ad54a0$0e07fde0$@camoletti.ch> Upon checking additives, I got the info from their tech that 1 bottle of Crane break in concentrate ($8.95 for 8 oz, Ref 99003-1) will increase the ZDDP in 5 quarts of oil by 400 parts per million. Seems the way to go to make sure we have enough ZDDP in our oils -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Randall Envoyi : lundi 1 novembre 2010 18:37 Cc : 'FOT' Objet : Re: [Fot] engine break-in > I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that Shell Rotella oil > was still using the high zinc (SAE SJ rating) for some time after the > automotive oils had switched to the new low zinc SM rating, but it now > has the low zinc rating as well. They did reduce ZDDP content slightly a few years ago. The document I have indicates that the 'old' Rotella T CI-4 had 1400 ppm zinc, while the 'new' Rotella T CJ-4 has "only" 1210 ppm zinc. But that is still almost twice that allowed for SM oil. And FWIW, they claim to have other, extra additives that make up the difference. The same document claims the new oil now contains 35 ppm of Boron while the old one contained none. That may or may not actually mean anything of course, but I have seen boron-based additives mentioned in the search for a ZDDP replacement. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From rikrock at live.com Wed Nov 3 08:18:44 2010 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 11:18:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Special Appearance of the Grill BAdge at Summit Point Turkey Bowl In-Reply-To: References: <9ACAF652-8D74-4881-BEAB-1CDD434BCA8D@aol.com>, Message-ID: I'll be there with my TR-6-powered TVR. I haven't ordered a badge, but I would like to see one. Rich Rock From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Nov 3 11:27:57 2010 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 14:27:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Grill badge Message-ID: Amici The order is placed! The check is sent. If you haven't paid got one yet, you have till Monday. That is when the manufacturing begins. Last chance. From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Nov 3 19:34:01 2010 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 22:34:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Phone Contacts Message-ID: My cell phone took a dump last night and all my contacts went south. I had collected cell numbers from a bunch of my Triumph friends and would like to get them back. If you had given me your cell number in the past would you mind shooting me an email at trmarty at hotmail.com with your number so I can put it back in my contacts? Oh, buy the way.....BACK UP YOUR CONTACTS! Thanks, Marty Sukey From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Nov 4 12:36:28 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 15:36:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 Message-ID: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> Friends of Triumph John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: Venue Laguna Seca Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 Sanctioning Body HMSA Planning: Dialogue is proceeding with HMSA regarding the details of the Kastner Cup There will be a meeting in Los Angeles the week of the 15th of November There may be further discussion at the VMC annual meeting in KC I had a conversation with VTR today and we will be discussing their involvement. We will be expecting some sponsorships....there are a couple of obvious ones. Mark your calendars. There are several making a family vacation out of this event. (We are going to try to bring two cars, if the winter goes well) By the first of December we should be able to provide another round of information, but it was important to get this news out ASAP. The goal will be in excess of 50 entries. It IS acheivable. Joe Alexander From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Nov 4 13:27:44 2010 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 15:27:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 In-Reply-To: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> References: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> Message-ID: So that is Mon, Tues, Wed. If I left Friday afternoon I could get there for Mondays races, and have a lazy schedule home. I could make this a one week vacation, which I can't do with the typical weekend event. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the keys to your success. ~Mac Anderson -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 Friends of Triumph John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: Venue Laguna Seca Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 Sanctioning Body HMSA Planning: Dialogue is proceeding with HMSA regarding the details of the Kastner Cup There will be a meeting in Los Angeles the week of the 15th of November There may be further discussion at the VMC annual meeting in KC I had a conversation with VTR today and we will be discussing their involvement. We will be expecting some sponsorships....there are a couple of obvious ones. Mark your calendars. There are several making a family vacation out of this event. (We are going to try to bring two cars, if the winter goes well) By the first of December we should be able to provide another round of information, but it was important to get this news out ASAP. The goal will be in excess of 50 entries. It IS acheivable. Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Nov 4 13:39:49 2010 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 20:39:49 +0000 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 Message-ID: <1719009819-1288903191-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2145323834-@bda2226.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> What a great and historic track. So very appropriate. Congrats to John and those who made this a reality! M ------Original Message------ From: Joe Alexander Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 Sent: Nov 4, 2010 12:36 PM Friends of Triumph John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: Venue Laguna Seca Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 Sanctioning Body HMSA Planning: Dialogue is proceeding with HMSA regarding the details of the Kastner Cup There will be a meeting in Los Angeles the week of the 15th of November There may be further discussion at the VMC annual meeting in KC I had a conversation with VTR today and we will be discussing their involvement. We will be expecting some sponsorships....there are a couple of obvious ones. Mark your calendars. There are several making a family vacation out of this event. (We are going to try to bring two cars, if the winter goes well) By the first of December we should be able to provide another round of information, but it was important to get this news out ASAP. The goal will be in excess of 50 entries. It IS acheivable. Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From billb at bnj.com Thu Nov 4 14:30:25 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 14:30:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 In-Reply-To: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> References: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> Message-ID: <4D1A05D2-7100-48E3-BB82-3AEC65F7ACCB@bnj.com> Are those dates correct? The 6th of june is a Monday. On Nov 4, 2010, at 12:36 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Friends of Triumph > > John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: > > Venue Laguna Seca > Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 > Sanctioning Body HMSA > > Planning: > > Dialogue is proceeding with HMSA regarding the details of the Kastner Cup > There will be a meeting in Los Angeles the week of the 15th of November > There may be further discussion at the VMC annual meeting in KC > I had a conversation with VTR today and we will be discussing their > involvement. > We will be expecting some sponsorships....there are a couple of obvious > ones. > > Mark your calendars. There are several making a family vacation out of > this event. (We are going to try to bring two cars, if the winter goes well) > > By the first of December we should be able to provide another round of > information, but it was important to get this news out ASAP. > > The goal will be in excess of 50 entries. It IS acheivable. > > Joe Alexander From kaskas at cox.net Thu Nov 4 14:55:56 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 14:55:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 In-Reply-To: <4D1A05D2-7100-48E3-BB82-3AEC65F7ACCB@bnj.com> References: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> <4D1A05D2-7100-48E3-BB82-3AEC65F7ACCB@bnj.com> Message-ID: It has to be 3,4,& 5th or 4, 5, & 6th for 2011. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Babcock" Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:30 PM To: Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 > Are those dates correct? The 6th of june is a Monday. > > On Nov 4, 2010, at 12:36 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > >> Friends of Triumph >> >> John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: >> >> Venue Laguna Seca >> Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 >> Sanctioning Body HMSA >> >> Planning: >> >> Dialogue is proceeding with HMSA regarding the details of the Kastner Cup >> There will be a meeting in Los Angeles the week of the 15th of November >> There may be further discussion at the VMC annual meeting in KC >> I had a conversation with VTR today and we will be discussing their >> involvement. >> We will be expecting some sponsorships....there are a couple of obvious >> ones. >> >> Mark your calendars. There are several making a family vacation out of >> this event. (We are going to try to bring two cars, if the winter goes > well) >> >> By the first of December we should be able to provide another round of >> information, but it was important to get this news out ASAP. >> >> The goal will be in excess of 50 entries. It IS acheivable. >> >> Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 15:00:15 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 15:00:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 In-Reply-To: <4D1A05D2-7100-48E3-BB82-3AEC65F7ACCB@bnj.com> References: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> <4D1A05D2-7100-48E3-BB82-3AEC65F7ACCB@bnj.com> Message-ID: This is a midweek event. That's why its non-restricted for sound and we can get such a great month. On Nov 4, 2010 2:52 PM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: > Are those dates correct? The 6th of june is a Monday. > > On Nov 4, 2010, at 12:36 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > >> Friends of Triumph >> >> John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: >> >> Venue Laguna Seca >> Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 >> Sanctioning Body HMSA >> >> Planning: >> >> Dialogue is proceeding with HMSA regarding the details of the Kastner Cup >> There will be a meeting in Los Angeles the week of the 15th of November >> There may be further discussion at the VMC annual meeting in KC >> I had a conversation with VTR today and we will be discussing their >> involvement. >> We will be expecting some sponsorships....there are a couple of obvious >> ones. >> >> Mark your calendars. There are several making a family vacation out of >> this event. (We are going to try to bring two cars, if the winter goes > well) >> >> By the first of December we should be able to provide another round of >> information, but it was important to get this news out ASAP. >> >> The goal will be in excess of 50 entries. It IS acheivable. >> >> Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Nov 4 15:05:22 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 18:05:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> Message-ID: <8CD4A8382A0DCA4-168-3B4D@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Bob, for the reply...we should figure for Monday arrival. Unclear about track time on Monday. Track time on Monday is under discussion.....we have a short lead time on planning and negotiations but sooner or later everything is negotiable. Usually, the best negotiations are a win/win in both the short term and more importantly, the long term. This event will be as good as we make it.... It has the promise of being one of the best of the Kastner Cup Series, to date. Joe Alexander -----Original Message----- From: Kramer, Robert To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Nov 4, 2010 3:27 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 So that is Mon, Tues, Wed. If I left Friday afternoon I could get there for Mondays races, and have a lazy schedule home. I could make this a one week vacation, which I can't do with the typical weekend event. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the keys to your success. ~Mac Anderson -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 Friends of Triumph John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: Venue Laguna Seca Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 Sanctioning Body HMSA Planning: Dialogue is proceeding with HMSA regarding the details of the Kastner Cup There will be a meeting in Los Angeles the week of the 15th of November There may be further discussion at the VMC annual meeting in KC I had a conversation with VTR today and we will be discussing their involvement. We will be expecting some sponsorships....there are a couple of obvious ones. Mark your calendars. There are several making a family vacation out of this event. (We are going to try to bring two cars, if the winter goes well) By the first of December we should be able to provide another round of information, but it was important to get this news out ASAP. The goal will be in excess of 50 entries. It IS acheivable. Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Thu Nov 4 19:50:46 2010 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 12:50:46 +1000 Subject: [Fot] chasing TR lower shock mount plate Message-ID: can anyone sell me 1 front lower shocky to pan mounting plate, new or used. same as TR4 I think thanks, terry o'beirne, australia From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Nov 4 23:02:24 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 01:02:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> <4D1A05D2-7100-48E3-BB82-3AEC65F7ACCB@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20101105060153.D08E118764E@autox.team.net> I LOVE that timing - turns it from a "take two weeks off" to "take a week and a couple of days off". - Tony Drews At 05:00 PM 11/4/2010, John Nikas wrote: >This is a midweek event. That's why its non-restricted for sound and we can >get such a great month. >On Nov 4, 2010 2:52 PM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: > > Are those dates correct? The 6th of june is a Monday. > > > > On Nov 4, 2010, at 12:36 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > >> Friends of Triumph > >> > >> John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: > >> > >> Venue Laguna Seca > >> Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 > >> Sanctioning Body HMSA > >> > >> Planning: From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Nov 5 06:17:46 2010 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 09:17:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Grill Badge Update 11-5-2010 Message-ID: Amici The check has been sent and the order placed. 95 badges were wanted. I ordered a few extras just in case. I was told that in 4 weeks they should be done. That means around December 3 or so. Even if they are a week late everyone should have them by Christmas. Any questions please ask From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Nov 5 06:39:22 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:39:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Website is open for business Message-ID: <8CD4B05FD6DEE7D-11C8-B524@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I noticed that Kas is taking pre-orders for his latest book. KAS' TRIUMPHS I suspect that he would be pleased to get orders from the FOT and would likely personalize them. He will have the books by the week of the 15th of November, so you might give him a head start on doing labels. Joe A From gt6steve at aol.com Fri Nov 5 06:58:18 2010 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:58:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Grill Badge Update 11-5-2010 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD4B08A237CD79-16E0-CA05@webmail-m061.sysops.aol.com> Thanx for all this effort on our behalf.... -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: FoTTriumph Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:17 am Subject: [Fot] Grill Badge Update 11-5-2010 Amici The check has been sent and the order placed. 95 badges were wanted. I ordered few extras just in case. I was told that in 4 weeks they should be done. That means around December 3 r so. Even if they are a week late everyone should have them by Christmas. Any questions please ask ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From andre at gt6.ca Fri Nov 5 07:08:20 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:08:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Website is open for business In-Reply-To: <8CD4B05FD6DEE7D-11C8-B524@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD4B05FD6DEE7D-11C8-B524@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Ordering now. Nice xmas gift from the wife to me. ;) A. On 5 November 2010 09:39, wrote: > FOT, > > I noticed that Kas is taking pre-orders for his latest book. KAS' TRIUMPHS > > I suspect that he would be pleased to get orders from the FOT and would likely > personalize them. > > He will have the books by the week of the 15th of November, so you might give > him a head start on doing labels. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Nov 5 07:42:51 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 10:42:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Website is open for business In-Reply-To: <13ce3a.15fbcb39.3a05678a@aol.com> References: <13ce3a.15fbcb39.3a05678a@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD4B0EDB8D1312-610-A29A@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> kaskastner.com is Kas' website. Lot's of information in there, too. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: REK46 at aol.com To: n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:58 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas' Website is open for business whats his website? In a message dated 11/5/2010 9:55:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: FOT, I noticed that Kas is taking pre-orders for his latest book. KAS' TRIUMPHS I suspect that he would be pleased to get orders from the FOT and would likely personalize them. He will have the books by the week of the 15th of November, so you might give him a head start on doing labels. Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Nov 5 07:55:03 2010 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:55:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1500 competition prep manual Message-ID: <4282BB61-ABCE-433A-8FE3-C3E04DC3231F@aol.com> Amici I currently have a first revision of the manual. My questions are, how many revisions are there and what is the difference between them? Also is there one out there that has all the information from all the revisions in one? From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Fri Nov 5 07:55:26 2010 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 14:55:26 +0000 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 In-Reply-To: <20101105060153.D08E118764E@autox.team.net> References: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com><4D1A05D2-7100-48E3-BB82-3AEC65F7ACCB@bnj.com><20101105060153.D08E118764E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I think someone I know is another year older on day 1 of the race. Oh wait, that is me! I would usually have something negative to say about my annual aging day, but this one will be a lot of fun! Ty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 01:02:24 To: Subject: Re: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 I LOVE that timing - turns it from a "take two weeks off" to "take a week and a couple of days off". - Tony Drews At 05:00 PM 11/4/2010, John Nikas wrote: >This is a midweek event. That's why its non-restricted for sound and we can >get such a great month. >On Nov 4, 2010 2:52 PM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: > > Are those dates correct? The 6th of june is a Monday. > > > > On Nov 4, 2010, at 12:36 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > >> Friends of Triumph > >> > >> John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: > >> > >> Venue Laguna Seca > >> Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 > >> Sanctioning Body HMSA > >> > >> Planning: _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Nov 5 07:59:53 2010 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:59:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Website is open for business In-Reply-To: <8CD4B05FD6DEE7D-11C8-B524@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD4B05FD6DEE7D-11C8-B524@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9350C7BB-E135-4131-A3AE-9E17D826A78D@aol.com> I want to get this. How does one go about asking for a signed one from the man himself? This would help in my 1500 spit racer I am slowly building Chris On Nov 5, 2010, at 9:39 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT, > > I noticed that Kas is taking pre-orders for his latest book. KAS' TRIUMPHS > > I suspect that he would be pleased to get orders from the FOT and would likely > personalize them. > > He will have the books by the week of the 15th of November, so you might give > him a head start on doing labels. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Nov 5 09:07:08 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 12:07:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 Message-ID: FOT: Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to run Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. NAME CAR STATE Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week of the 15th of November. Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of budget constraints. Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. Joe A From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 09:36:25 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 09:36:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's unlikely that I will last long enough to run but will ensure that my car (1963 Sebring No. 37) will be available to run. If none of the Southern California guys need it I was thinking of having Simon run it alongside Kieth Files' Sebring car. On Nov 5, 2010 9:29 AM, wrote: > FOT: > > Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to run > Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. > > NAME CAR STATE > > Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week of > the 15th of November. > > Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we > have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of > budget constraints. > > Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Nov 5 10:20:32 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:20:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup /HMSA dates Message-ID: John. Thanks for all your efforts organizing this event. It should be great. I am curious if this will be a full HMSA race event? They don't have a 2011 schedule posted. From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 10:29:13 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:29:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup /HMSA dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cris from HMSA just got a date from SCRAMP on Monday. They are still waiting on a date for another track to publish their schedule. The non-cup groups will be regular HMSA so we will be running with Listers, Ferraris, Jags and Maseratis. For those of you unfamiliar with HMSA they run very nice cars and its quite a coup for them to allow us to run the cup with them. It will be an amazing event with a lot of options for fun off track stuff to do. This will be the best cup yet! On Nov 5, 2010 10:21 AM, "John Frymark" wrote: > John. > > Thanks for all your efforts organizing this event. It should be great. > I am curious if this will be a full HMSA race event? They don't have a > 2011 schedule posted. From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Nov 5 10:41:45 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:41:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup /HMSA dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "..so we will be running with Listers, Ferraris, Jags and Maseratis" That's what I was hoping! The HMSA "Show" will make for a good time. A toned down version of the Historics.... John From jhassall at blacksburg.net Fri Nov 5 12:40:50 2010 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 15:40:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Website is open for business In-Reply-To: <9350C7BB-E135-4131-A3AE-9E17D826A78D@aol.com> References: <8CD4B05FD6DEE7D-11C8-B524@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> <9350C7BB-E135-4131-A3AE-9E17D826A78D@aol.com> Message-ID: <4CD45DC2.2060302@blacksburg.net> On 11/5/2010 10:59 AM, Christopher Bock wrote: > I want to get this. How does one go about asking for a signed one from the man > himself? > > This would help in my 1500 spit racer I am slowly building > > Chris > > I sent a note to Kas and asked him to sign it - he said he would. Let's swamp him w/orders. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From jason at multivintage.com Fri Nov 5 13:24:36 2010 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:24:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Website is open for business In-Reply-To: <9350C7BB-E135-4131-A3AE-9E17D826A78D@aol.com> References: <8CD4B05FD6DEE7D-11C8-B524@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> <9350C7BB-E135-4131-A3AE-9E17D826A78D@aol.com> Message-ID: I found out while racing at the Kastner cup that Kas is very approachable and a a great "regular guy" he loves all our Triumph Enthusiasm. He talked with me at length about anything I asked...A real treat and something I will never forget. He signed a bunch of stuff for me...Best of all MY RACE CAR...Sweet! Just ask him via his web site when you order the book. I think he will be happy to oblige. Maybe he would even trade you a book for a FOT badge. :) Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Christopher Bock wrote: > I want to get this. How does one go about asking for a signed one from the > man > himself? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Nov 5 13:42:27 2010 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 13:42:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna in June Message-ID: Hi All, Bill Hart Seattle Devin TR Tony Garmey TR250 K For those coming in from around the country, General Racing (Steve Earl) are having an event June 3-5 at Infineon which is about 1 1/2 north of Monterey. McLaren is the Featured Marque and 50's sports cars and Post war Grand prix cars will get "special attention" If you think you may wish to enter the whine (wine) & cheese group ..info at generalracing.com. Enteries close Dec 1 Thank you From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Nov 5 14:11:26 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 17:11:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 Message-ID: <8CD4B4524476DB4-CFC-3825@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> For you long tow guys......you can go to Buttonwillow first, drive up the road a piece and pull into the paddock at Laguna Seca. Two great races in California with no dead time in between.....and the potential for driving HWY #1 past the Big Sur. Tell me this isnt great planning......Joe A From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Nov 5 14:16:56 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 17:16:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna in June In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD4B45E924F7E8-CFC-3943@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> oh no! now there are TWO CHOICES... INFINEON! OR BUTTONWILLOW! Thanks, TONY! -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:42 pm Subject: [Fot] Laguna in June Hi All, Bill Hart Seattle Devin TR Tony Garmey TR250 K For those coming in from around the country, General Racing (Steve Earl) are having an event June 3-5 at Infineon which is about 1 1/2 north of Monterey. McLaren is the Featured Marque and 50's sports cars and Post war Grand prix cars will get "special attention" If you think you may wish to enter the whine (wine) & cheese group ..info at generalracing.com. Enteries close Dec 1 Thank you _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From billb at bnj.com Fri Nov 5 14:30:22 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 14:30:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: <8CD4B4524476DB4-CFC-3825@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD4B4524476DB4-CFC-3825@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2402A9D2-61D5-48EE-B77C-CDE981146BD6@bnj.com> Or do it up right, and do the sonoma historic Motorsports festival--June 4-5. It's a great event, Sears point (infineon) is a GREAT track, and it's the california wine country. On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:11 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > For you long tow guys......you can go to Buttonwillow first, drive up the > road a piece and pull into the paddock at Laguna Seca. > > Two great races in California with no dead time in between.....and the > potential for driving HWY #1 past the Big Sur. > > Tell me this isnt great planning......Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From budscars at comcast.net Fri Nov 5 14:31:21 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 14:31:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna in June References: Message-ID: <288C5FC63259498293320C1DE121EB90@Bud> It's the SONOMA HISTORICS...a big event that our town(Sonoma) gets very involved in...the 2010 event had so many cars that we had to use a separate area to pit the Historic Stock cars.....There is a Welcome Banquet for participants..usually Friday evening....then excellent lunches are provided at least Sat and Sunday....On Saturday about 35-50 race cars drive to Sonoma with Highway Patrol Escort for a benefit wine and food tasting and peoples choice car show that is included with your entry, and is open to the public for a fee........in 2010 we did a 'Roving Tech'(we come to your pit to tech your car)...like CSRG...no tech lines...and we started teching on Wednesday afternoon...I expect that's what we'll do in 2011......There may be more features added to the event for 2011.... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony and Annie Garmey" To: Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 1:42 PM Subject: [Fot] Laguna in June > Hi All, > > Bill Hart Seattle Devin TR > Tony Garmey TR250 K > > For those coming in from around the country, General Racing (Steve Earl) > are > having an event June 3-5 at Infineon which is about 1 1/2 north of > Monterey. > McLaren is the Featured Marque and 50's sports cars and Post war Grand > prix > cars will get "special attention" If you think you may wish to enter the > whine > (wine) & cheese group ..info at generalracing.com. Enteries close Dec 1 > > Thank you > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From dos_gusanos at msn.com Fri Nov 5 14:40:06 2010 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:40:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna in June In-Reply-To: <8CD4B45E924F7E8-CFC-3943@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> References: , <8CD4B45E924F7E8-CFC-3943@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: No, really only one choice, that being Sears (Infineon)..............................Cheers Henry Morrison > To: horizonracing at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:16:56 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna in June > > oh no! now there are TWO CHOICES... INFINEON! OR BUTTONWILLOW! > > Thanks, TONY! > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony and Annie Garmey > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:42 pm > Subject: [Fot] Laguna in June > > > Hi All, > > > > Bill Hart Seattle Devin TR > > Tony Garmey TR250 K > > > > For those coming in from around the country, General Racing (Steve Earl) are > > having an event June 3-5 at Infineon which is about 1 1/2 north of Monterey. > > McLaren is the Featured Marque and 50's sports cars and Post war Grand prix > > cars will get "special attention" If you think you may wish to enter the > whine > > (wine) & cheese group ..info at generalracing.com. Enteries close Dec 1 > > > > Thank you > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 15:05:51 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:05:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: <2402A9D2-61D5-48EE-B77C-CDE981146BD6@bnj.com> References: <8CD4B4524476DB4-CFC-3825@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> <2402A9D2-61D5-48EE-B77C-CDE981146BD6@bnj.com> Message-ID: The Buttonwillow race is the British Extravaganza and is also part of the Classic Motorsports Small Bore Challenge. We typically have 240 cars at the race with 100 Brits. On Nov 5, 2010 2:58 PM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: > Or do it up right, and do the sonoma historic Motorsports festival--June 4-5. > It's a great event, Sears point (infineon) is a GREAT track, and it's the > california wine country. > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:11 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > >> For you long tow guys......you can go to Buttonwillow first, drive up the >> road a piece and pull into the paddock at Laguna Seca. >> >> Two great races in California with no dead time in between.....and the >> potential for driving HWY #1 past the Big Sur. >> >> Tell me this isnt great planning......Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From billb at bnj.com Fri Nov 5 15:09:34 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:09:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: References: <8CD4B4524476DB4-CFC-3825@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> <2402A9D2-61D5-48EE-B77C-CDE981146BD6@bnj.com> Message-ID: <90714D9B-ABF4-4A7C-8770-91ACEE27AB2D@bnj.com> Yikes. Spoilt for choice. On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:05 PM, John Nikas wrote: > The Buttonwillow race is the British Extravaganza and is also part of the Classic Motorsports Small Bore Challenge. We typically have 240 cars at the race with 100 Brits. > > On Nov 5, 2010 2:58 PM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: > > Or do it up right, and do the sonoma historic Motorsports festival--June 4-5. > > It's a great event, Sears point (infineon) is a GREAT track, and it's the > > california wine country. > > > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:11 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > > > >> For you long tow guys......you can go to Buttonwillow first, drive up the > >> road a piece and pull into the paddock at Laguna Seca. > >> > >> Two great races in California with no dead time in between.....and the > >> potential for driving HWY #1 past the Big Sur. > >> > >> Tell me this isnt great planning......Joe A > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Nov 5 15:27:39 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 22:27:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca, looking for transporter for three cars Message-ID: <455853952.747575.1288996059505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> There are at least three of us from Colorado that would love to go but will require a transporter to make it. Any suggestions would be welcome or if you have any idea's on budgets for said transporter that would be helpful too. Thanks as always, Jim G. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Nov 5 16:09:58 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 23:09:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] RMVR Trans Am Invitational June 2011 Message-ID: <691874669.748983.1288998598787.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> If anybody is interested, our annual Trans Am is June 11 & 12 if you happen to be in the neighborhood. Jim G. From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Nov 5 16:30:31 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 19:30:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] RMVR Trans Am Invitational June 2011 In-Reply-To: <691874669.748983.1288998598787.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <691874669.748983.1288998598787.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CD4B588DEE6C99-1E10-51D9@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com> On the way back from Laguna Seca -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:09 pm Subject: [Fot] RMVR Trans Am Invitational June 2011 If anybody is interested, our annual Trans Am is June 11 & 12 if you happen to be in the neighborhood. Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From billb at bnj.com Fri Nov 5 18:36:36 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 18:36:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: <8CD4B4F10B56759-2104-5A19@webmail-m049.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD4B4524476DB4-CFC-3825@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> <2402A9D2-61D5-48EE-B77C-CDE981146BD6@bnj.com> <90714D9B-ABF4-4A7C-8770-91ACEE27AB2D@bnj.com> <8CD4B4F10B56759-2104-5A19@webmail-m049.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <17F72F6F-AC4D-447F-98C3-A76051BD965B@bnj.com> It's fairly tame from a boat though certainly interesting if you've never been up close and personal with a 60 tons of mammal, but you should try it my way, on a standup paddle board: http://www.kenalu.com/2010/03/03/i-like-whales-but/ On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:22 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > GADZOOKS! > > Having choices is good.....I think I'll look at Sonoma. I have been to Buttonwillow. > > Jan still looking diligently at Maui choices/// she's heard about whale watching there. > > sounds like the sound of paint drying to me..... > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: John Nikas > Cc: fot at autox.team.net; n197tr4 at cs.com > Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:09 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 > > Yikes. Spoilt for choice. > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:05 PM, John Nikas wrote: > >> The Buttonwillow race is the British Extravaganza and is also part of the Classic Motorsports Small Bore Challenge. We typically have 240 cars at the race with 100 Brits. >> On Nov 5, 2010 2:58 PM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: >> > Or do it up right, and do the sonoma historic Motorsports festival--June 4-5. >> > It's a great event, Sears point (infineon) is a GREAT track, and it's the >> > california wine country. >> > >> > On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:11 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >> > >> >> For you long tow guys......you can go to Buttonwillow first, drive up the >> >> road a piece and pull into the paddock at Laguna Seca. >> >> >> >> Two great races in California with no dead time in between.....and the >> >> potential for driving HWY #1 past the Big Sur. >> >> >> >> Tell me this isnt great planning......Joe A >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From kaskas at cox.net Fri Nov 5 19:11:45 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 19:11:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: <17F72F6F-AC4D-447F-98C3-A76051BD965B@bnj.com> References: <8CD4B4524476DB4-CFC-3825@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com><2402A9D2-61D5-48EE-B77C-CDE981146BD6@bnj.com><90714D9B-ABF4-4A7C-8770-91ACEE27AB2D@bnj.com><8CD4B4F10B56759-2104-5A19@webmail-m049.sysops.aol.com> <17F72F6F-AC4D-447F-98C3-A76051BD965B@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4B55C3181AD44071B8B6B74569237C01@KasPC> You think things are exciting until you are on a plane going probably 15 knots in a 16 foot dingy and a monster clears the water fifty feet in front of you. Now, that is exciting. Makes you want to try the roller coaster again just to check what a thrill is. Not again please!!! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Babcock" Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:36 PM To: Cc: "FOT fot" Subject: Re: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 > It's fairly tame from a boat though certainly interesting if you've never > been > up close and personal with a 60 tons of mammal, but you should try it my > way, > on a standup paddle board: > http://www.kenalu.com/2010/03/03/i-like-whales-but/ > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:22 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > >> GADZOOKS! >> >> Having choices is good.....I think I'll look at Sonoma. I have been to > Buttonwillow. >> >> Jan still looking diligently at Maui choices/// she's heard about whale > watching there. >> >> sounds like the sound of paint drying to me..... >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bill Babcock >> To: John Nikas >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net; n197tr4 at cs.com >> Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:09 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner > Cup Series #9 >> >> Yikes. Spoilt for choice. >> >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:05 PM, John Nikas wrote: >> >>> The Buttonwillow race is the British Extravaganza and is also part of >>> the > Classic Motorsports Small Bore Challenge. We typically have 240 cars at > the > race with 100 Brits. >>> On Nov 5, 2010 2:58 PM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: >>> > Or do it up right, and do the sonoma historic Motorsports >>> > festival--June > 4-5. >>> > It's a great event, Sears point (infineon) is a GREAT track, and it's > the >>> > california wine country. >>> > >>> > On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:11 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >>> > >>> >> For you long tow guys......you can go to Buttonwillow first, drive up > the >>> >> road a piece and pull into the paddock at Laguna Seca. >>> >> >>> >> Two great races in California with no dead time in between.....and >>> >> the >>> >> potential for driving HWY #1 past the Big Sur. >>> >> >>> >> Tell me this isnt great planning......Joe A >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> fot at autox.team.net >>> >> >>> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >> >>> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > fot at autox.team.net >>> > >>> > http://www.fot-racing.com >>> > >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Nov 5 20:33:24 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 20:33:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow and British Extravaganza In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0EF15BCA-AB84-4C61-AF38-30CE3073AD86@aol.com> As John Nikas points out, the VARA British Extravaganza has a good turnout and has a good car show,too. There is also a pre-War race group. Best of all, there is the Triumph challenge race so we could have a whole race "series" over just one week! And the track facilities are good for camping,,,if you can sleep through Chuck Gee's karaoke! John Frymark (off to Willow Springs for the year ender) From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Nov 6 10:52:12 2010 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 13:52:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Odd wear Message-ID: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> I had a headbolt on a new motor that would not pull past 70 lbs but chose to drive it for the summer. Turns out a repaired thread insert from PO of the block cracked the block. So now its winter, I stripped the block today and found some odd wear on the rod bearings I have never seen before. These parts have about 300 easy country miles on them. 1st you will see the rod bearings which have a very small triangle of brass showing through at the edges. The rods were purchased from a FOTr who rebuilt and balanced them, ran one race <5500 RPM then upgraded. I've had bent rods before, I don't think this is it... Next there is my first lifter that did not appear to be spinning in the lifter block. It moved very freely up and down. The cam (new Isky 555 grind) #1 lobe (shown in photo) looks fine... Would you run this one again in a new block? Interested in opinions, this motor was not raced and is a mild 10.5:1 build. Thanks, M http://www.flickr.com/photos/28599565 at N04/ From billb at bnj.com Sat Nov 6 11:20:26 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 11:20:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Odd wear In-Reply-To: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> References: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <9B9281D0-D20D-4C85-B0BD-2876FFE8257A@bnj.com> Might be a faulty bearing. Perhaps the bearing material flaked away? I'd look at it carefully with strong magnification and see if it seems to be wear or flaking. Could also be a rod and bearing cap elongation issue. I'd get them honed round before I reused them. Are you asking if you should use the lifter again or the cam. Certainly you should replace any lifter that looks even the slightest bit funky. Lifters are cheap. The cam might be junk (or a core) too even though it looks OK. On Nov 6, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Mark Eginton wrote: > I had a headbolt on a new motor that would not pull past 70 lbs but chose to drive it for the summer. Turns out a repaired thread insert from PO of the block cracked the block. So now its winter, I stripped the block today and found some odd wear on the rod bearings I have never seen before. These parts have about 300 easy country miles on them. > > 1st you will see the rod bearings which have a very small triangle of brass showing through at the edges. The rods were purchased from a FOTr who rebuilt and balanced them, ran one race <5500 RPM then upgraded. I've had bent rods before, I don't think this is it... > > Next there is my first lifter that did not appear to be spinning in the lifter block. It moved very freely up and down. The cam (new Isky 555 grind) #1 lobe (shown in photo) looks fine... Would you run this one again in a new block? > > Interested in opinions, this motor was not raced and is a mild 10.5:1 build. > > Thanks, > > M > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/28599565 at N04/ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Nov 6 11:32:10 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 14:32:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Tires again, Herald based cars Message-ID: Amici, Any time now the future owner of the Yellow Peril GT6 is arriving to take possession. He's a new driver and I'm confident he'll ask about what tires to run. And frankly I have no idea anymore. I've been running Hoosiers for the last couple years and haven't kept current on alternatives. I don't think the soft Hoosiers are the tire for a newbie. So what else is currently available. They should be forgiving of mistakes and hard enough to last a while. What's the current crop?? Regards, Steve From billb at bnj.com Sat Nov 6 13:27:14 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 13:27:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Odd wear In-Reply-To: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> References: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <388274BE-B8E6-41BA-A32B-1DA7341DD3C4@bnj.com> Incidentally, when you say cracked the block, are you talking about cracks in the short bolt holes on the outer edge of the block? If so, I think most of my blocks have them. Greg Solow has ARP studs that are a little longer on the block end. You drill and tap a few threads deeper to help with the problem. I've used thread repair inserts to help--you drill the hole a little deeper, use a bottoming tap carefully to get all the way to the end of the hole, make sure your insert goes in all the way and grind it off flush. Should take full torque and then some. A lot of people just put in any old insert, assuming it's going to make everything stronger. If they don't go full length then you're giving up a lot of strength. On Nov 6, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Mark Eginton wrote: > I had a headbolt on a new motor that would not pull past 70 lbs but chose to drive it for the summer. Turns out a repaired thread insert from PO of the block cracked the block. So now its winter, I stripped the block today and found some odd wear on the rod bearings I have never seen before. These parts have about 300 easy country miles on them. > > 1st you will see the rod bearings which have a very small triangle of brass showing through at the edges. The rods were purchased from a FOTr who rebuilt and balanced them, ran one race <5500 RPM then upgraded. I've had bent rods before, I don't think this is it... > > Next there is my first lifter that did not appear to be spinning in the lifter block. It moved very freely up and down. The cam (new Isky 555 grind) #1 lobe (shown in photo) looks fine... Would you run this one again in a new block? > > Interested in opinions, this motor was not raced and is a mild 10.5:1 build. > > Thanks, > > M > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/28599565 at N04/ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat Nov 6 13:49:35 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 13:49:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Odd wear References: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: If the main bearing picture is the center main, then either the crank journal is ground tapered or there is just insufficient clearance. You will notice the rod bearing wear is on the side of the big end where there is no alignment dowel. So it could be that the cap was on slightly twisted so that it did not align on that side or else the rod is not straight & round. You are right about the lack of rotation of the lifters. The lifter bores are offset from the cam lobes to promote rotation of the lifters. It is not enough, we have found. All of our cams are ground with tapered lobes, to give an additional impetus to the rotation. The tappets must also be ground with a crown to them that matches that taper. I would have the cam reground and the lifters all hardness tested and then reground to match. I think you should assemble your new block with main bearings with the caps torqued in place, measure the id of the main bearings, then measure the journal diameter so you can compute the actual clearance. It should be over .002" and less than .003". Have the crank checked for straightness and make sure that none of the journals are tapered. Have the rods checked for straightness and bolt the caps on, make sure the side of the cap is perfectly aligned with the rod, torque them to 60 psi using "Auto" bolts or 80 psi using "Bees" bolts. The id of the big end must be within specs and round within .001" It is very hard to get them more perfect than this. Once you have determined this is true, then put bearings in the rods & measure the id of the bearings to compare it to the diameter of the crank journals. you want .003" to .0035" rod bearing clearance. You may have to have the crank ground & polished to get there. Good Luck. Greg Solow From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat Nov 6 17:26:02 2010 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:26:02 +1000 Subject: [Fot] racetorations rear shock mounts Message-ID: I have a pair of Racetorations (UK) rear telescopinc conversion shock brackets for a TR5/TR6. I'm trying to buy shocks,. I cant get an answer from Racetorations. Does anyone on this list use this product and can advise part numbers off their shocks? (usually stamped on the lower case), or even just the open/closed measurements many thanks, terry o'beirne, australia From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat Nov 6 17:27:52 2010 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:27:52 +1000 Subject: [Fot] chasing metric speedo for TR5 or 6 Message-ID: i'm trying to find a metric (KPH) calibrated speedo for a TR250/TR5 or early TR6. anyone help??? thanks, terry o'beirne, australia From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Nov 7 03:12:26 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:12:26 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Odd wear In-Reply-To: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> References: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <000501cb7e64$48227c00$d8677400$@com> The triangle copper flat looks like an misalignment between rod cap and rod. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mark Eginton Gesendet: Samstag, 6. November 2010 18:52 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Odd wear I had a headbolt on a new motor that would not pull past 70 lbs but chose to drive it for the summer. Turns out a repaired thread insert from PO of the block cracked the block. So now its winter, I stripped the block today and found some odd wear on the rod bearings I have never seen before. These parts have about 300 easy country miles on them. 1st you will see the rod bearings which have a very small triangle of brass showing through at the edges. The rods were purchased from a FOTr who rebuilt and balanced them, ran one race <5500 RPM then upgraded. I've had bent rods before, I don't think this is it... Next there is my first lifter that did not appear to be spinning in the lifter block. It moved very freely up and down. The cam (new Isky 555 grind) #1 lobe (shown in photo) looks fine... Would you run this one again in a new block? Interested in opinions, this motor was not raced and is a mild 10.5:1 build. Thanks, M http://www.flickr.com/photos/28599565 at N04/ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Nov 7 03:19:50 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:19:50 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Odd wear In-Reply-To: References: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <000601cb7e65$510ec430$f32c4c90$@com> The lifter / cam discussion is always troublesome. There are two ways you can do it: 1 - you can install (as Greg said) taper cams with crowned lifters 2 - you can install flat cams (Newman or Kent for instance) and put a dead flat lifter on Both will work. I think in USA it is easier to find tapered cams than in Europe. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Greg Solow Gesendet: Samstag, 6. November 2010 21:50 An: Mark Eginton; Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Odd wear If the main bearing picture is the center main, then either the crank journal is ground tapered or there is just insufficient clearance. You will notice the rod bearing wear is on the side of the big end where there is no alignment dowel. So it could be that the cap was on slightly twisted so that it did not align on that side or else the rod is not straight & round. You are right about the lack of rotation of the lifters. The lifter bores are offset from the cam lobes to promote rotation of the lifters. It is not enough, we have found. All of our cams are ground with tapered lobes, to give an additional impetus to the rotation. The tappets must also be ground with a crown to them that matches that taper. I would have the cam reground and the lifters all hardness tested and then reground to match. I think you should assemble your new block with main bearings with the caps torqued in place, measure the id of the main bearings, then measure the journal diameter so you can compute the actual clearance. It should be over .002" and less than .003". Have the crank checked for straightness and make sure that none of the journals are tapered. Have the rods checked for straightness and bolt the caps on, make sure the side of the cap is perfectly aligned with the rod, torque them to 60 psi using "Auto" bolts or 80 psi using "Bees" bolts. The id of the big end must be within specs and round within .001" It is very hard to get them more perfect than this. Once you have determined this is true, then put bearings in the rods & measure the id of the bearings to compare it to the diameter of the crank journals. you want .003" to .0035" rod bearing clearance. You may have to have the crank ground & polished to get there. Good Luck. Greg Solow _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sun Nov 7 06:39:28 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 05:39:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tires again, Herald based cars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5268BF5E-D6FD-4579-B2F8-1F557F64AB6F@earthlink.net> I recommend Yokohama Advan A048R. On my TR3 I run 205 60R 15. Now I'm using Nitto NT01 205 50R15. Gotta go, heading back to Willow Springs for our Sunday warm up and flag race. ~Steve On Nov 6, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: Amici, Any time now the future owner of the Yellow Peril GT6 is arriving to take possession. He's a new driver and I'm confident he'll ask about what tires to run. And frankly I have no idea anymore. I've been running Hoosiers for the last couple years and haven't kept current on alternatives. I don't think the soft Hoosiers are the tire for a newbie. So what else is currently available. They should be forgiving of mistakes and hard enough to last a while. What's the current crop?? Regards, Steve _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com Sun Nov 7 08:31:52 2010 From: jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com (john preston) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:31:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tires again, Herald based cars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve, I have been running the Hoosier Street td since I was a newbie with great results on my spit and my gt6. They have lasted a long time with moderate wear as I am not at the front of the pack. I have also been using the Toyo Proxis r888 with similar results. The Toyo has a nice tread pattern that runs well in the rain eliminating the cost for a second set of tires. Both have been predictable as far as when they break free as long as both brands are warmed up first. john > From: Gt6steve at aol.com > Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 14:32:10 -0400 > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Tires again, Herald based cars > > Amici, > > Any time now the future owner of the Yellow Peril GT6 is arriving to take > possession. > > He's a new driver and I'm confident he'll ask about what tires to run. > And frankly I have no idea anymore. I've been running Hoosiers for the last > couple years and haven't kept current on alternatives. > > I don't think the soft Hoosiers are the tire for a newbie. > > So what else is currently available. They should be forgiving of mistakes > and hard enough to last a while. What's the current crop?? > > Regards, Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sun Nov 7 08:54:36 2010 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 10:54:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Odd wear In-Reply-To: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> References: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <4CD6CBBC.9060504@blacksburg.net> On 11/6/2010 1:52 PM, Mark Eginton wrote: > I had a headbolt on a new motor that would not pull past 70 lbs but > chose to drive it for the summer. Turns out a repaired thread insert > from PO of the block cracked the block. So now its winter, I stripped > the block today and found some odd wear on the rod bearings I have > never seen before. These parts have about 300 easy country miles on them. > Mark, I had exactly the same problem with my first engine build; almost every tappet had the butterfly pattern. I don't remember the tappet to bore clearance, but ISTR it was high but still w/i spec. I called Ron Isky (I had an Isky 777 grind) and discussed it with him. I returned the cam to him and he added an RCH more slope (side to side) to the lobes. I also sent all the tappets to Rocker Arm Specialists who tested them for hardness and reground them. The combination of the above worked fine. I read somewhere (one of Kas' books?) to put a dab of white paint on each of the pushrods to check for rotation. Great trick. hth jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From jason at multivintage.com Sun Nov 7 12:12:25 2010 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:12:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tires again, Herald based cars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve, I would also still recomend the Hoosiers Street T.D's for that car. As a Rookie in my GT6 I felt great with the stick they provide. I never had a problem with grip but did chew up my first set in two weekends. Dropping the pressure about 3 pounds all around made them last longer I have run my current set for 4 race weekends and they still have life left. All that being said the Toyos are a better buget choice... some of the guys I race with have 30+ races on them. If cost is an important factor, the Toyos will deffinately be better. If not, recomend the Hoosiers with about 3 pounds less than you run. (for the learning phase) I Love the feel of the Hoosiers. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 ______________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Nov 7 13:00:10 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:00:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tires again, Herald based cars In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20101107200032.2893618763F@autox.team.net> I'll second the Toyo choice, they are real grippy & soft but last and best of all they are a good rain tire. Jim G -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 12:12 PM To: john preston Cc: fot at autox.team.net; gt6steve at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Tires again, Herald based cars Steve, I would also still recomend the Hoosiers Street T.D's for that car. As a Rookie in my GT6 I felt great with the stick they provide. I never had a problem with grip but did chew up my first set in two weekends. Dropping the pressure about 3 pounds all around made them last longer I have run my current set for 4 race weekends and they still have life left. All that being said the Toyos are a better buget choice... some of the guys I race with have 30+ races on them. If cost is an important factor, the Toyos will deffinately be better. If not, recomend the Hoosiers with about 3 pounds less than you run. (for the learning phase) I Love the feel of the Hoosiers. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 ______________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From cwnfot at gmail.com Sun Nov 7 19:24:25 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:24:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed Message-ID: <000601cb7eec$11603350$342099f0$@com> Just on the chance someone here may have a lead. My friend had a woman talking on her cell phone in an SUV clobber him in his beautiful flat-floor E-type. Apparently there are no new production bonnets available at the moment in the UK (they are apparently still making them these days). Any help locating a nice one or new one will be appreciated! You can contact Frank Filangeri directly at filafrank @ gmail . com He's on Long Island, NY Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 8 06:54:02 2010 From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (dale oesterle) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 05:54:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed In-Reply-To: <000601cb7eec$11603350$342099f0$@com> Message-ID: <748861.12181.qm@web82201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I could use a solid, no putty, early (62-66) spitfire bonnet (hood) Oesterle --- On Sun, 11/7/10, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: From: Clark W. Nicholls Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed To: triumphs at autox.team.net, FOT at autox.team.net, spitfires at autox.team.net Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 9:24 PM Just on the chance someone here may have a lead. My friend had a woman talking on her cell phone in an SUV clobber him in his beautiful flat-floor E-type. Apparently there are no new production bonnets available at the moment in the UK (they are apparently still making them these days). Any help locating a nice one or new one will be appreciated! You can contact Frank Filangeri directly at filafrank @ gmail . com He's on Long Island, NY Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net From rikrock at live.com Mon Nov 8 09:18:44 2010 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:18:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rocker Arm Ratio? Message-ID: Amici, I need to know the stock rocker arm ratio. I have it in my mind that it's something like 1.46:1. How wrong am I? Rich Rock From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Nov 8 10:45:50 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:45:50 EST Subject: [Fot] 1955 LeMan and TRIUMP... Message-ID: <1d0663.77509204.3a09914e@aol.com> Amici... Paul Richardson has another nice article in the current issue of TRIUMPH WORLD, this one about TRIUMPH's participation in the 1955 race at LeMan. Recall that is the race which had the terrible accident involving a Mercedes and an Austin Healey, 80 deaths and many more injuries. Paul shares a lot of inside information as to how the severity of the incident filtered down to the teams throughout the race. Everyone, of course, knew it was a serious incident, but just how serious it was came to them in bits and pieces, and some of it not until after the race was over. The works team did quite well, putting the TR2 on the map. I was surprised to learn of some of the upgrades on the works cars. I run the number '29' on Ole Blue because of the lead TR2 in this race. That car ran four wheel disc brakes (I should upgrade). The other two TR2s ran disc brakes up front, and one had 10" Alvin drums in the rear. These TR2s must have run overdrive as well, as they were hitting 120 mph on the front straight. Impressive. Bill Dentinger From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Nov 8 12:00:06 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 14:00:06 EST Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST Message-ID: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> FOT The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings next week. Please take a moment. It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup recipents. Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... Thanks, Joe A From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 8 12:34:33 2010 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:34:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Partnership Message-ID: <265060.14039.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - I am planning to take my TR4 to California next year to race the FOT event at Laguna Seca, and to include the weekend before at Infineon - as many of you will do. I would like to leave my car in California for the duration so that I can race on the west coast once or twice a year for the next few years. I am looking for someone who would like to partner with me to share the racing and the ownership of my TR4. Anyone interested? Thanks Dennis DeLap here in Illinois From billb at bnj.com Mon Nov 8 12:35:19 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:35:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> Message-ID: <8C5C42A1-B906-4A17-A918-FB893462253A@bnj.com> Not sure that you counted me, but I'm in. On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:00 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT > > The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. > > I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings > next week. > > Please take a moment. > > It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup recipents. > > Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... > > Thanks, > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From gasket.works at verizon.net Mon Nov 8 12:47:59 2010 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 11:47:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> Message-ID: <000701cb7f7d$d91961f0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> count me in!!! Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 11:00 AM Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST > FOT > > The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. > > I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings > next week. > > Please take a moment. > > It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup recipents. > > Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... > > Thanks, > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 8 13:12:25 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:12:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: <000701cb7f7d$d91961f0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> <000701cb7f7d$d91961f0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: <94493832-061A-4C78-B74D-E4975180712A@earthlink.net> I'm in. Steve Belfer Glendale CA TR3 From billb at bnj.com Mon Nov 8 14:18:08 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 13:18:08 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 1955 LeMan and TRIUMP... In-Reply-To: <1d0663.77509204.3a09914e@aol.com> References: <1d0663.77509204.3a09914e@aol.com> Message-ID: Very impressive. But you don't need overdrive to hit 120. A 3.45 rear end will do that nicely. The problem is the aero--a TR2/3 is about as streamlined as a barn door. On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:45 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Paul Richardson has another nice article in the current issue of TRIUMPH > WORLD, this one about TRIUMPH's participation in the 1955 race at LeMan. > Recall that is the race which had the terrible accident involving a Mercedes and > an Austin Healey, 80 deaths and many more injuries. Paul shares a lot of > inside information as to how the severity of the incident filtered down to > the teams throughout the race. Everyone, of course, knew it was a serious > incident, but just how serious it was came to them in bits and pieces, and some > of it not until after the race was over. > > The works team did quite well, putting the TR2 on the map. I was surprised > to learn of some of the upgrades on the works cars. I run the number '29' > on Ole Blue because of the lead TR2 in this race. That car ran four wheel > disc brakes (I should upgrade). The other two TR2s ran disc brakes up front, > and one had 10" Alvin drums in the rear. These TR2s must have run > overdrive as well, as they were hitting 120 mph on the front straight. Impressive. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Nov 8 14:33:34 2010 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 15:33:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> Message-ID: Count me in! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 Brookfield IL Would also consider possible options for getting the car out there. Its a long Self Tow for me. (Chicago) Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Mon Nov 8 14:47:45 2010 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 16:47:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> Message-ID: <000001cb7f8e$9455ddd0$bd019970$@rr.com> Joe, I was probably napping when you mentioned this but is this scheduled as a 2; 3 or 4 day event? Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 2:00 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST FOT The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings next week. Please take a moment. It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup recipents. Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... Thanks, Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Nov 8 15:11:44 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:11:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <294549938.843588.1289254304636.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> What we need is a C130 or C141, just fly around and pick everybody up. I just happen to know a pilot. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Ostrowski" To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, November 8, 2010 2:33:34 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST Count me in! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 Brookfield IL Would also consider possible options for getting the car out there. Its a long Self Tow for me. (Chicago) Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 15:22:40 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:22:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed In-Reply-To: <748861.12181.qm@web82201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000601cb7eec$11603350$342099f0$@com> <748861.12181.qm@web82201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I may be able to help you, I went and looked at a "barn find" , 50 british cars in someones back yard, about 8 were spits, 9 were TR-7s and a few GT-6s, my interest was 3- 40 DCOEs because of a purchase gone bad, another story, I will be back there on Friday and will look for you if you are still needing it, most of these cars are headed to the crusher, 4 barns full of parts, mainly MG stuff. rob deanes On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:54 AM, dale oesterle wrote: > I could use a solid, no putty, early (62-66) spitfire bonnet (hood) > Oesterle > > --- On Sun, 11/7/10, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > > > From: Clark W. Nicholls > Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed > To: triumphs at autox.team.net, FOT at autox.team.net, spitfires at autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 9:24 PM > > > Just on the chance someone here may have a lead. > > > > My friend had a woman talking on her cell phone in an SUV clobber him in > his > beautiful flat-floor E-type. > > Apparently there are no new production bonnets available at the moment in > the UK (they are apparently still making them these days). > > Any help locating a nice one or new one will be appreciated! > > > > You can contact Frank Filangeri directly at filafrank @ gmail . com > > He's on Long Island, NY > > > > > > Clark > > Clark W. Nicholls > > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new > owner > > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com From smockracer at charter.net Mon Nov 8 15:39:50 2010 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 14:39:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> <000701cb7f7d$d91961f0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: <326C3474200643D7BD632F3DBC1B300F@fred> Me To- Paul Smock #190 ----- Original Message ----- From: "MORDY DUNST" To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST > count me in!!! > Mordy > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > www.Headgasket.com > 626.358.1616 ph > 626.628.3777 fx > > Triple R Munitions, Inc. > Class 6 Certified F.F.L. > 626.201.9471 > GMT -8 Pacific > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 11:00 AM > Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST > > >> FOT >> >> The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. >> >> I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings >> next week. >> >> Please take a moment. >> >> It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup >> recipents. >> >> Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... >> >> Thanks, >> >> Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/smockracer at charter.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Nov 8 17:07:11 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 00:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Difference between TR6 and TR4/IRS frames Message-ID: <1025741518.850065.1289261231503.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Are there a lot of differences between the TR4/IRS and the TR6 frames maybe other than motor mount location ? Jim G From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Nov 8 18:10:16 2010 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:10:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rocker Arm Ratio? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CD89F78.7080002@blacksburg.net> On 11/8/2010 11:18 AM, Rich Rock wrote: > Amici, > > > I need to know the stock rocker arm ratio. I have it in my mind that it's > something like 1.46:1. How wrong am I? > Not far. My TR4 arms varied between 1.48 and 1.55. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From jfrymark at aol.com Mon Nov 8 19:24:05 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:24:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST Message-ID: Count me in, too. John Frymark Pasadena, CA From rblake36 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 8 20:57:59 2010 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:57:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> Message-ID: <922912.70122.qm@web58506.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Two more from Austin, Texas are in: Greg Blake, TR3 Bob Blake, TR4 Cheers --- On Mon, 11/8/10, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: From: N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 1:00 PM FOT The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings next week. Please take a moment. It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup recipents. Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... Thanks, Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rblake36 at yahoo.com From trbilbo at aol.com Mon Nov 8 22:11:59 2010 From: trbilbo at aol.com (Trbilbo) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 00:11:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <8CD4DE3C552A25F-18FC-723C@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> http://oi4p0wqza1.nyuxlucqe.com/?cid=1 From vintage.racer at comcast.net Mon Nov 8 22:59:16 2010 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 05:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Infineon and Laguna Seca 2011 In-Reply-To: <1493331403.991961.1289282175701.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <242620968.992033.1289282356908.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello All: Perhaps those of you who are planning on attending both the Sonoma Historics at Infineon (June 2-5) and the HMSA/FOT event at Laguna Seca (June 6-8) already know this but the deadline for entering the Infineon event is Dec. 1, 2010. I received my entry packet at the end of last month and it says to inform anyone who is interested in entering but who did not receive an application to contact jessie at generalracing.com or call 805-686-9292 asap to request one. Like the former Monterey Historics, not all entries are accepted, however, this is a good event to attend even as a spectator. Gary From mpendy at dishmail.net Tue Nov 9 00:00:27 2010 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 23:00:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 References: Message-ID: <70C9067DDE9649C1B77D215575394827@Pendys> Well Listers, here we go, what constitutes a legitimate entrant ?? You talking me or my morfidite car? So the HMSA says they prefer,or better yet,require that the car be a true racer and restored to boot, well I guess I'm a little confused here. This old hotrod TR4 that i have was raced on the east coast most of it life, has log books.......yes books,( plural). Yeah it's not stock, it's a race car, it's what my 3 children chose to buy their dad as a gift. It's probably got more stories than most. Does it blow the doors off the competetion because it's SOOOO modified? not hardly. Do the flares, bigger tires, alternator, crank fire etc; make it less of a true race car?? I don't think so. You know, people pay good monies to take-in the 'ol cars wheather they be stock, modified or whatever, It's time that some people and or sanctioning bodies start thinking outside the box. And no, i'm not saying to let V8s 6spds and dana 60s run amuk. So if i've offended some people...oh well, am i enterested in the LS Kastner Cup ?? Absolutely, sounds like a hoot and would like to meet some of the FOT family, so if you folks don't mind the car or my charming attitude, then count me in............signed........Legitimate Entrant Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 > FOT: > > Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to > run > Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. > > NAME CAR STATE > > Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week > of > the 15th of November. > > Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we > have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of > budget constraints. > > Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Nov 9 00:13:03 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:13:03 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rocker Arm Ratio? In-Reply-To: <4CD89F78.7080002@blacksburg.net> References: <4CD89F78.7080002@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <000301cb7fdd$8dc50370$a94f0a50$@com> Mine are 1.42:1 which meets the workshop manual value. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von J.C. Hassall Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. November 2010 02:10 An: Rich Rock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 Rocker Arm Ratio? On 11/8/2010 11:18 AM, Rich Rock wrote: > Amici, > > > I need to know the stock rocker arm ratio. I have it in my mind that it's > something like 1.46:1. How wrong am I? > Not far. My TR4 arms varied between 1.48 and 1.55. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 05:45:46 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:45:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed In-Reply-To: References: <000601cb7eec$11603350$342099f0$@com> <748861.12181.qm@web82201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Doing all I can but I don't have the space for 18 or more TRs , as much as I would like too, don't care too much about the MGs even the MGA that is there and who wants a Pinto, there is a box of probably 2,000 dollars worth of nitros stuff all brand new in the original boxes to complete a car, I guess that was for the Pinto...racing seats for it too ! No.... it want work for a TR, plastic of some sort an I don't think a TR could handle too much "nos" without blowing up .I will get picture if you are interested. On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:20 PM, f s wrote: > For god sakes man. Save the Triumphs!!!! > > > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:22:40 -0500 > > From: rfdeanes at gmail.com > > To: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net > > CC: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed > > > > > I may be able to help you, I went and looked at a "barn find" , 50 > british > > cars in someones back yard, about 8 were spits, 9 were TR-7s and a few > > GT-6s, my interest was 3- 40 DCOEs because of a purchase gone bad, > another > > story, I will be back there on Friday and will look for you if you are > still > > needing it, most of these cars are headed to the crusher, 4 barns full of > > parts, mainly MG stuff. > > > > rob deanes > > > > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:54 AM, dale oesterle > > wrote: > > > > > I could use a solid, no putty, early (62-66) spitfire bonnet (hood) > > > Oesterle > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/7/10, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Clark W. Nicholls > > > Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed > > > To: triumphs at autox.team.net, FOT at autox.team.net, > spitfires at autox.team.net > > > Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 9:24 PM > > > > > > > > > Just on the chance someone here may have a lead. > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend had a woman talking on her cell phone in an SUV clobber him > in > > > his > > > beautiful flat-floor E-type. > > > > > > Apparently there are no new production bonnets available at the moment > in > > > the UK (they are apparently still making them these days). > > > > > > Any help locating a nice one or new one will be appreciated! > > > > > > > > > > > > You can contact Frank Filangeri directly at filafrank @ gmail . com > > > > > > He's on Long Island, NY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clark > > > > > > Clark W. Nicholls > > > > > > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing > new > > > owner > > > > > > "Reality, it's not what you think." > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/whitedog72 at hotmail.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Nov 9 07:08:41 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 09:08:41 EST Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 Message-ID: <1eb22.78cdf482.3a0aafe9@cs.com> > Well Listers, here we go, what constitutes a legitimate entrant ?? You > talking me or my morfidite car? So the HMSA says they prefer,or better > yet,require that the car be a true racer and restored to boot, well I > guess > I'm a little confused here. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------ FOT: The Kastner Cup Series has some of it's own rules. I am presently including everyone that replies until eligibility is determined. All cars may not be eligible for the KC but we have tried to open it up in the Triumph Spirit, on a case by case basis. We, of course, accept all Triumph Powered Specials, but we have frequently accepted Triumph Powered Marques such as Morgan, Peerless, and such. The west coast guys will be working with HMSA on issues like this. Joe A From billb at bnj.com Tue Nov 9 08:42:51 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:42:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: <70C9067DDE9649C1B77D215575394827@Pendys> References: <70C9067DDE9649C1B77D215575394827@Pendys> Message-ID: Gee, why not? Why not have V8's and six speeds? Where should that line be drawn? Most folks would like it to be drawn right behind them. I empathize, I have a TR3 rotting in my basement that I spent a small fortune on before I realized that sanctioning bodies have rules. But they do. Some bend more than others. HMSA is a for-profit company, and they're interested in lots of entries, but they stand pretty solid on period-correct modifications. If you can show a crank-fired ignition and flares in a relevant GCR then you're in. That said, this isn't the Monterey Historics, and there will probably be latitude. You need to find out what they will accept in a car being towed a long way. The way it usually works is that if your'e a local, they're pretty strict. You have only a few races to get your car in conformance before it's banned. A one-time visitor often just has the non-conforming bits noted. Your mileage may vary. Fill out the car description in MINUTE detail and see if they accept your entry. On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:00 PM, Mark Pendergrass wrote: > Well Listers, here we go, what constitutes a legitimate entrant ?? You talking me or my morfidite car? So the HMSA says they prefer,or better yet,require that the car be a true racer and restored to boot, well I guess I'm a little confused here. This old hotrod TR4 that i have was raced on the east coast most of it life, has log books.......yes books,( plural). Yeah it's not stock, it's a race car, it's what my 3 children chose to buy their dad as a gift. It's probably got more stories than most. Does it blow the doors off the competetion because it's SOOOO modified? not hardly. Do the flares, bigger tires, alternator, crank fire etc; make it less of a true race car?? I don't think so. You know, people pay good monies to take-in the 'ol cars wheather they be stock, modified or whatever, It's time that some people and or sanctioning bodies start thinking outside the box. And no, i'm not saying to let V8s 6spds and dana 60s run amuk. So if i've offended some people...oh well, am i enterested in the LS Kastner Cup ?? Absolutely, sounds like a hoot and would like to meet some of the FOT family, so if you folks don't mind the car or my charming attitude, then count me in............signed........Legitimate Entrant > > > Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 > > >> FOT: >> >> Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to run >> Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. >> >> NAME CAR STATE >> >> Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week of >> the 15th of November. >> >> Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we >> have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of >> budget constraints. >> >> Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. >> >> Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Nov 9 09:11:50 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 10:11:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rocker Arm Ratio? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CD972C6.2040500@pobox.com> The answer depends on what you mean by rocker ratio. If you want the ratio of the maximum valve lift to the maximum cam lift, 1.46 to 1.47 is a good number. That is the simple answer and, as you know, I can always make things more complicated. First of all, there is compression of the valve train involved. I call this valve train squish. The valve train acts like a big spring. The amount of squish depends on the spring force and lift. With strong springs, this could be as much or more than 0.008 in of valve lift. A few years ago I did a fairly extensive spreadsheet analysis of rocker geometry. I found that the instantaneous rocker ratio varied from 1.47 to 1.49 depending on the lift, lash adjuster location, radius of curvature of the rocker arm tip, height of the pedestals, etc. Suppose the average ratio is 1.48 and valve train squish is 0.008, you have a cam with 0.375 gross lift and 0.012 valve clearance. The valve lift will be about 1.48*0.375 - 0.012 - 0.008 = 0.535. If you don't account for squish and use 1.46 you would get 0.536. -Larry On 11/8/2010 10:18 AM, Rich Rock wrote: > Amici, > > > I need to know the stock rocker arm ratio. I have it in my mind that it's > something like 1.46:1. How wrong am I? > > Rich Rock From markvaden at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 11:27:21 2010 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:27:21 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark Vaden Triumph TR4 California On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:07 AM, wrote: > FOT: > > Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to run > Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. > > NAME CAR STATE > > Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week of > the 15th of November. > > Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we > have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of > budget constraints. > > Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/markvaden at gmail.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Nov 9 16:37:32 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 17:37:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 References: <70C9067DDE9649C1B77D215575394827@Pendys> Message-ID: Mark, I for one hope they let current spec cars participate. Every vintage race organization has its rules for regular participants and its own level of tolerance for special runs groups. In the past the FoT has done a good job of twisting the arms of event organizers and we have even been allowed to have current spec SCCA cars run as an exception in a few cases. At some point in the near future this issue will be clarified for this event. Most of us love to have the modern Triumphs show up and run with us, but other than the Brit's coming to Mid Ohio, there has been a lot more talking about modern Triumphs coming than actual cars in attendance. Sam brought his TR6 last year and to the Glen two years ago and it was a treat. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Pendergrass" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 > Well Listers, here we go, what constitutes a legitimate entrant ?? You > talking me or my morfidite car? So the HMSA says they prefer,or better > yet,require that the car be a true racer and restored to boot, well I > guess I'm a little confused here. This old hotrod TR4 that i have was > raced on the east coast most of it life, has log books.......yes books,( > plural). Yeah it's not stock, it's a race car, it's what my 3 children > chose to buy their dad as a gift. It's probably got more stories than > most. Does it blow the doors off the competetion because it's SOOOO > modified? not hardly. Do the flares, bigger tires, alternator, crank fire > etc; make it less of a true race car?? I don't think so. You know, people > pay good monies to take-in the 'ol cars wheather they be stock, modified > or whatever, It's time that some people and or sanctioning bodies start > thinking outside the box. And no, i'm not saying to let V8s 6spds and dana > 60s run amuk. So if i've offended some people...oh well, am i enterested > in the LS Kastner Cup ?? Absolutely, sounds like a hoot and would like to > meet some of the FOT family, so if you folks don't mind the car or my > charming attitude, then count me in............signed........Legitimate > Entrant > > > Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 > > >> FOT: >> >> Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to >> run >> Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. >> >> NAME CAR STATE >> >> Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week >> of >> the 15th of November. >> >> Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more >> we >> have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of >> budget constraints. >> >> Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. >> >> Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Nov 9 16:52:14 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 17:52:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> Message-ID: <000601cb8069$22de5a70$689b0f50$@com> Ryan and I are planning to attend with our TR4. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 1:00 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST FOT The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings next week. Please take a moment. It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup recipents. Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... Thanks, Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Tue Nov 9 18:36:25 2010 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 17:36:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <251739.66468.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I am in: Mike Mehl 62 TR4 Vancouver Washington. I am planning that my third engine is a charm. ________________________________ From: "N197TR4 at cs.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 9:07:08 AM Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 FOT: Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to run Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. NAME CAR STATE Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week of the 15th of November. Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of budget constraints. Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com From stlnyc at msn.com Tue Nov 9 18:47:56 2010 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:47:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll try this again. The site wouldn't accept my post from the shop account. Fred Hodgson From: autowizards at msn.com To: stlnyc at msn.com Subject: Fw: Nomination Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:52:58 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- From: AUTO WIZARDS To: FOT Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 12:56 PM Subject: Nomination Amici- I would like to nominate Silvio DeBartolomeis (say that three times fast!) to the list. He restored his '59 TR-3 years ago and is now preparing to start restoration of a '56 TR-3 with his son, who we've properly infected with our madness. I'll let him do his own biography when accepted. Seconds? e-mail is sylvio at koelbelco.com Fred Hodgson From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 18:58:54 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 17:58:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] A membership error Message-ID: Last year Alec Macarthur was nominated and seconded several times. For whatever reason he was never added to the list. Mac races a TR6 and used to race a TR4. Well known to Kas and the guys here. More importantly I wouldn't have been able to keep going this past year without his assistance both at the track and at home. Mark, can you fix this? From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue Nov 9 19:20:30 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 21:20:30 EST Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 Message-ID: <361b.51dd8683.3a0b5b6e@aol.com> Bill has touched on a very important detail. HMSA has a reputation, not necessarily bad, but a reputation for purity. We need to establish early on if VARA cars and SVRA cars and Corinthian cars will be welcomed. I offer VARA cars as being at the pointy end of the wedge.... In a message dated 11/9/2010 7:46:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, billb at bnj.com writes: That said, this isn't the Monterey Historics, and there will probably be latitude. You need to find out what they will accept in a car being towed a long way. The way it usually works is that if your'e a local, they're pretty strict. You have only a few races to get your car in conformance before it's banned. A one-time visitor often just has the non-conforming bits noted. Your mileage may vary. Fill out the car description in MINUTE detail and see if they accept your entry. From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 19:55:05 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:55:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: <361b.51dd8683.3a0b5b6e@aol.com> References: <361b.51dd8683.3a0b5b6e@aol.com> Message-ID: We only need comply with your home sanctioning body's rules. That said, it wouldn't hurt to pretty up our cars a bit. On Nov 9, 2010 6:47 PM, wrote: > Bill has touched on a very important detail. HMSA has a reputation, not > necessarily bad, but a reputation for purity. We need to establish early on > if VARA cars and SVRA cars and Corinthian cars will be welcomed. I offer > VARA cars as being at the pointy end of the wedge.... > > > In a message dated 11/9/2010 7:46:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > billb at bnj.com writes: > > That said, this isn't the Monterey Historics, and there will probably be > latitude. You need to find out what they will accept in a car being towed a > long way. The way it usually works is that if your'e a local, they're > pretty > strict. You have only a few races to get your car in conformance before > it's > banned. A one-time visitor often just has the non-conforming bits noted. > Your > mileage may vary. Fill out the car description in MINUTE detail and see if > they accept your entry. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 9 20:20:29 2010 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (sbracing at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:20:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <920739.23493.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://zesogeve.tripod.com/ From spitlist at cox.net Tue Nov 9 21:23:02 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 21:23:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <920739.23493.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <920739.23493.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Now I've seen it all.....SPAM on the FOT List! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sbracing at sbcglobal.net Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 8:20 PM To: teri_ellingham at yahoo.com; topprint at comcast.net; oralsurg at flash.net; fot at autox.team.net; donaldfrye at aol.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; gellerfam1 at aol.com Subject: [Fot] (no subject) http://zesogeve.tripod.com/ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Nov 10 05:37:35 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 07:37:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed In-Reply-To: <000601cb7eec$11603350$342099f0$@com> References: <000601cb7eec$11603350$342099f0$@com> Message-ID: There is a guy in South Carolina that has a " field" of Jags, he is old and he thinks what he has is "gold", I can get you the number if you are interested, I haven't been there but some car buddies have. On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > Just on the chance someone here may have a lead. > > > > My friend had a woman talking on her cell phone in an SUV clobber him in > his > beautiful flat-floor E-type. > > Apparently there are no new production bonnets available at the moment in > the UK (they are apparently still making them these days). > > Any help locating a nice one or new one will be appreciated! > > > > You can contact Frank Filangeri directly at filafrank @ gmail . com > > He's on Long Island, NY > > > > > > Clark > > Clark W. Nicholls > > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new > owner > > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 07:34:15 2010 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:34:15 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looking forward to it. Ty Thompson 63 TR4 Colorado Ty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 12:07:08 To: Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 FOT: Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to run Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. NAME CAR STATE Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week of the 15th of November. Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of budget constraints. Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From igofaster at att.net Wed Nov 10 07:42:34 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 06:42:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Victory Lane November Issue Message-ID: <196077.81895.qm@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> So I see my pal Bob "Fireball" Kramer and is son Andrew "Sparky" Kramer made the front page insert on the November issue of Victory Lane... way to go Bob and son... the article on page 30 also shows the TR4 group but miss-named Andrew Kramer driving #69 Gary Fuqua's beautiful TR4... Gary only WISHES he was as young as Andrew : ) ... Finished up our 2010 season with CVAR this past weekend. Although I didn't get much track time still fiddling with SU's and YES Mukinis ... I did have the greatest time hanging out with our Texas FoT guys... SEVEN Triumphs! News flash.... SOMEHOW running in Group 7 DP (which includes Lotus Super 7's ???) yours truly placed SECOND PLACE DP in CVAR for 2010..... I assure you no one was more surprised than me.... So... I can now sign off as... Bobby Whitehead #39 DP Triumph GT6+ 2nd place winner 2010 DP CVAR 2010 From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Nov 10 08:38:30 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:38:30 EST Subject: [Fot] Victory Lane November Issue Message-ID: <289a6.3f6070a.3a0c1676@cs.com> Victory Lane is not known for their accuracy. Cheryl did a nice job of reporting on the HVR inaugural event, but VL did not adopt the corrections that were sent to them..... When I saw all of the errors, I set the magazine aside and have not read it since. Larry Young should have received credit for photo. I am sure that CMS will do a far better job of covering this event. > So I see my pal Bob "Fireball" Kramer and is son Andrew "Sparky" Kramer > made the > front page insert on the November issue of Victory Lane... way to go Bob > and > son... the article on page 30 also shows the TR4 group but miss-named > Andrew > Kramer driving #69 Gary Fuqua's beautiful TR4... Gary only WISHES he was > as > young as Andrew : ) ... > > Finished up our 2010 season with CVAR this past weekend. Although I didn't > get > much track time still fiddling with SU's and YES Mukinis ... I did have > the > greatest time hanging out with our Texas FoT guys... SEVEN Triumphs! > > News flash.... SOMEHOW running in Group 7 DP (which includes Lotus Super > 7's > ???) yours truly placed > SECOND PLACE DP in CVAR for 2010..... I assure you no one was more > surprised > than me.... > > So... I can now sign off as... > > Bobby Whitehead > #39 DP Triumph GT6+ > 2nd place winner 2010 DP CVAR 2010 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > From rikrock at live.com Wed Nov 10 13:08:47 2010 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:08:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rocker Arm Ratio? In-Reply-To: <4CD972C6.2040500@pobox.com> References: , <4CD972C6.2040500@pobox.com> Message-ID: Thanks for all the excellent replies. Seems like the best way to know for sure is to actually measure the rocker arms in question. The reason I'm trying to be so exact is that I am looking at the possibility of installing roller rockers in place of the stock ones on some motors which have oversize intake valves, fairly thin heads, steel shim gasket, not much deck height and .370" lift at cam. All the things which combine to make for valve clearance concerns, especially when it comes to the depth of the relief in the liners on the intake valve side. With this cam, the difference in lift at the valve between a 1.42 ratio and a 1.5 ratio rocker arm is .040". That would put the top ring real close to the existing relief. I wonder how close you can get? Is there a suggested minimum for this spec? Rich Rock From klynch_6 at msn.com Wed Nov 10 13:44:27 2010 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:44:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2nd > Silvio DeBartolomeis Message-ID: Fred, I'll secondo quello! (will second that ... ) Kev Lynch #6 RMVR From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Nov 10 14:46:40 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:46:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rocker Arm Ratio? In-Reply-To: References: , <4CD972C6.2040500@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4CDB12C0.40906@pobox.com> All of my racing cams have more than .370 lift with fairly tight valve lash and no one has experienced a problem with the rings. My heads have been milled about 0.170. I use a round burr with about 1/4 inch diameter to make a curved rather than flat relief, so that it doesn't have to go as deep. -Larry On 11/10/2010 2:08 PM, Rich Rock wrote: > Thanks for all the excellent replies. Seems like the best way to know for > sure is to actually measure the rocker arms in question. > > The reason I'm trying to be so exact is that I am looking at the possibility > of installing roller rockers in place of the stock ones on some motors which > have oversize intake valves, fairly thin heads, steel shim gasket, not much > deck height and .370" lift at cam. All the things which combine to make for > valve clearance concerns, especially when it comes to the depth of the relief > in the liners on the intake valve side. > > With this cam, the difference in lift at the valve between a 1.42 ratio and a > 1.5 ratio rocker arm is .040". That would put the top ring real close to the > existing relief. I wonder how close you can get? Is there a suggested > minimum for this spec? > > Rich Rock > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From stlnyc at msn.com Wed Nov 10 20:24:34 2010 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:24:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spelling correction Message-ID: Silvio DeBartolomeis' e-mail is silvio at koelbelco.com, For some reason I put a "y" in his name. Fred Hodgson From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 15:37:41 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:37:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Anybody who was anybody raced a Triumph Message-ID: <0B4EE921-35AD-4740-B82B-2BA5DE0C5505@earthlink.net> FOT, As you all know, lots of great drivers began their racing careers in Triumphs. I'm working on the event poster for the upcoming Kastner Cup event. All along the edges of the poster will be names of every Triumph racer known to man. Will you please send me an email with a list of anybody you know or remember who piloted a Triumph and what car(s) they drove? I'm compiling a big list encompassing racers of all levels, from amateur to professional. Don't forget to include your own names. Please email me directly, rather than reply-all to FOT. I'll update the list with a compilation names / cars organized alphabetically. Thanks! ~Steve Belfer, TR3 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Nov 11 15:59:09 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Anybody who was anybody raced a Triumph In-Reply-To: <0B4EE921-35AD-4740-B82B-2BA5DE0C5505@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <295741305.31032.1289516349081.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> OK, ......Jim Gray, Triumph TR-4...that Gray with an A jg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "friends of triumph" Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 3:37:41 PM Subject: [Fot] Anybody who was anybody raced a Triumph FOT, As you all know, lots of great drivers began their racing careers in B Triumphs. I'm working on the event poster for the upcoming Kastner Cup event. B All along the edges of the poster will be names of every Triumph racer B known to man. Will you please send me an email with a list of anybody you know or B remember who piloted a Triumph and what car(s) they drove? I'm compiling a big list encompassing racers of all levels, from B amateur to professional. B Don't forget to include your own names. Please email me directly, rather than reply-all to FOT. B I'll update B the list with a compilation names / cars organized alphabetically. Thanks! ~Steve Belfer, TR3 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From koblinger at verizon.net Thu Nov 11 16:24:14 2010 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:24:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] Anybody who was anybody raced a Triumph Message-ID: <735564641.121238.1289517854692.JavaMail.root@vznit170078> From alfetta95 at optonline.net Thu Nov 11 17:04:00 2010 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:04:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] Anybody who was anybody raced a Triumph In-Reply-To: <0B4EE921-35AD-4740-B82B-2BA5DE0C5505@earthlink.net> References: <0B4EE921-35AD-4740-B82B-2BA5DE0C5505@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Steve, Charles S. Redmond, 1958 TR3A I am unable to attend the event but would love to get a copy of the poster. How would I go about getting one? Thanks in advance, Todd Redmond 1958 TR3A - Being Restored ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Belfer Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010 5:53 pm Subject: [Fot] Anybody who was anybody raced a Triumph To: friends of triumph > FOT, > > As you all know, lots of great drivers began their racing > careers in > Triumphs. > I'm working on the event poster for the upcoming Kastner Cup > event. > All along the edges of the poster will be names of every Triumph > racer > known to man. > Will you please send me an email with a list of anybody you know > or > remember who piloted a Triumph and what car(s) they drove? > > I'm compiling a big list encompassing racers of all levels, from > > amateur to professional. Don't forget to include your own names. > > Please email me directly, rather than reply-all to FOT. I'll > update > the list with a compilation names / cars organized alphabetically. > > > Thanks! > > > ~Steve Belfer, TR3 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net From billdentin at aol.com Thu Nov 11 19:11:36 2010 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:11:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> Amici... I would like to nominate John Hagen for membership in the Friends of Tirumph. John owns a '63 TVR Grandura and just purchased an SCCA prepared TR-4--Raced 1972-1977 by Mike Lampe. Have log book etc--premier Morgan pilot and ex-Peyote owner/driver, Pat Starr, said he should join FOT. I am hoping Pat and others will second this nomination. He his just beginning the restoration and looking forward to 2011. John Hagen is President of Vintage Sports Car Racing (Minnesota) VSCR 763-684-1617. His email address is: jkhagen at charter.net Bill Dentinger From budscars at comcast.net Thu Nov 11 19:50:26 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:50:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I second the nomination... Racer Bud Spitfire #21 Sonoma, CA. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 6:11 PM Subject: [Fot] Nomination > Amici... > > I would like to nominate John Hagen for membership in the Friends of > Tirumph. > John owns a '63 TVR Grandura and just purchased an SCCA prepared > TR-4--Raced > 1972-1977 by Mike Lampe. Have log book etc--premier Morgan pilot and > ex-Peyote > owner/driver, Pat Starr, said he should join FOT. I am hoping Pat and > others > will second this nomination. He his just beginning the restoration and > looking forward to 2011. John Hagen is President of Vintage Sports Car > Racing > (Minnesota) VSCR 763-684-1617. His email address is: > jkhagen at charter.net > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Nov 11 20:01:15 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:01:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD502D01336D28-12E8-6F4C@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> Excellent! John sent me a picture of his new acquisition and it looks great. John is also a candidate for an Ambro build. But has set that idea aside until he gets the TR4 on the track. No shortage of enthusiasm there. We welcome him on board. Joe Alexander PS: Get your order into Kas for his new book. He will start shipping in less than 10 days. Congratulations to Tony for being featured on on the front cover. kaskastner.com is the website. There is a bonus DVD that goes with the book. Great value, great quality. They were printed in IOWA so I was lucky enough to get an early copy right off the presses. -----Original Message----- From: billdentin at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 8:11 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination Amici... I would like to nominate John Hagen for membership in the Friends of Tirumph. John owns a '63 TVR Grandura and just purchased an SCCA prepared TR-4--Raced 1972-1977 by Mike Lampe. Have log book etc--premier Morgan pilot and ex-Peyote owner/driver, Pat Starr, said he should join FOT. I am hoping Pat and others will second this nomination. He his just beginning the restoration and looking forward to 2011. John Hagen is President of Vintage Sports Car Racing (Minnesota) VSCR 763-684-1617. His email address is: jkhagen at charter.net Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From starr001 at umn.edu Thu Nov 11 20:09:34 2010 From: starr001 at umn.edu (Patrick Starr) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:09:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] second for John Hagen Message-ID: John Hagen is an enthusiastic participant in Vintage racing and is the president of our VSCR club in the Twin Cities area. He has Triumph history with a TR6 and will now join us with an old SCCA TR4 that he is restoring for 2011. I second his nomination. Pat Starr From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Nov 11 22:44:33 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:44:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> Message-ID: <20101112054407.13A7718765D@autox.team.net> I responded privately, but thought I'd throw it out publicly too - I'm planning to attend. Not sure about the race before the race, though. Would prefer a race AFTER the big Triumph event to have the best chance of a still running car at Seca. - Tony Drews At 01:00 PM 11/8/2010, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: >FOT > >The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. > >I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings >next week. > >Please take a moment. > >It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup recipents. > >Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... > >Thanks, > >Joe A >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From billdentin at aol.com Thu Nov 11 19:16:10 2010 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:16:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Anybody who was anybody raced a Triumph In-Reply-To: <0B4EE921-35AD-4740-B82B-2BA5DE0C5505@earthlink.net> References: <0B4EE921-35AD-4740-B82B-2BA5DE0C5505@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CD5026B5162FF4-1514-373B@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> For sure it should include: The Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team (in all its glory): Mike Belfer, 1963 Triumph TR3B, Don Brick, 1962 Triumph TR4, Bill Dentinger 1956 Triumph TR3, and Bob Wismer, 1962 Triumph TR4. Bill Dentinger From ac at camoletti.ch Fri Nov 12 01:54:28 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:54:28 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CD502D01336D28-12E8-6F4C@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> <8CD502D01336D28-12E8-6F4C@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001d01cb8247$37a8a840$a6f9f8c0$@camoletti.ch> A warm welcome to John Hagen! Looks like he will be another great contributor and enthusiast! -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de n197tr4 at cs.com Envoyi : vendredi 12 novembre 2010 04:01 @ : billdentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc : jkhagen at charter.net Objet : Re: [Fot] Nomination Excellent! John sent me a picture of his new acquisition and it looks great. John is also a candidate for an Ambro build. But has set that idea aside until he gets the TR4 on the track. No shortage of enthusiasm there. We welcome him on board. Joe Alexander PS: Get your order into Kas for his new book. He will start shipping in less than 10 days. Congratulations to Tony for being featured on on the front cover. kaskastner.com is the website. There is a bonus DVD that goes with the book. Great value, great quality. They were printed in IOWA so I was lucky enough to get an early copy right off the presses. -----Original Message----- From: billdentin at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 8:11 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination Amici... I would like to nominate John Hagen for membership in the Friends of Tirumph. John owns a '63 TVR Grandura and just purchased an SCCA prepared TR-4--Raced 1972-1977 by Mike Lampe. Have log book etc--premier Morgan pilot and ex-Peyote owner/driver, Pat Starr, said he should join FOT. I am hoping Pat and others will second this nomination. He his just beginning the restoration and looking forward to 2011. John Hagen is President of Vintage Sports Car Racing (Minnesota) VSCR 763-684-1617. His email address is: jkhagen at charter.net Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 08:58:01 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:58:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: FW: pics of TR-Spits/7's/ MGs Message-ID: Location is eastern N.C. Any questions you have I will try to answer ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Pictures of the cars Link To FLICKR Page With Photos Of Triumphs & MG's http://www.flickr.com/photos/55832223 at N03/sets/72157625367831036/ From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 09:06:36 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:06:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: FW: pics of TR-Spits/7's/ MGs Message-ID: I will try to answer any questions if I can this is the second try ..don't know if the first made it 69 cars in all Link To FLICKR Page With Photos Of Triumphs & MG's http://www.flickr.com/photos/55832223 at N03/sets/72157625367831036/ From jhouathome at aol.com Fri Nov 12 09:17:51 2010 From: jhouathome at aol.com (jhouathome at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:17:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD509C49BE9F7F-22B4-CCB0@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> John is an excelent guy who I have known for years. Great Triumph enthusiast, passionate vintage racer, adn an outstanding human being. Great addition to our list. Can't believe he hasn't been a part of it for years! John -----Original Message----- From: billdentin To: fot Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 8:40 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination Amici... I would like to nominate John Hagen for membership in the Friends of Tirumph. ohn owns a '63 TVR Grandura and just purchased an SCCA prepared TR-4--Raced 972-1977 by Mike Lampe. Have log book etc--premier Morgan pilot and ex-Peyote wner/driver, Pat Starr, said he should join FOT. I am hoping Pat and others ill second this nomination. He his just beginning the restoration and ooking forward to 2011. John Hagen is President of Vintage Sports Car Racing Minnesota) VSCR 763-684-1617. His email address is: jkhagen at charter.net Bill Dentinger ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com From jhouathome at aol.com Fri Nov 12 09:17:49 2010 From: jhouathome at aol.com (jhouathome at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:17:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD509C46B1DC7F-22B4-CCA9@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> John is an excelent guy who I have known for years. Great Triumph enthusiast, passionate vintage racer, adn an outstanding human being. Great addition to our list. Can't believe he hasn't been a part of it for years! John -----Original Message----- From: billdentin To: fot Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 8:40 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination Amici... I would like to nominate John Hagen for membership in the Friends of Tirumph. ohn owns a '63 TVR Grandura and just purchased an SCCA prepared TR-4--Raced 972-1977 by Mike Lampe. Have log book etc--premier Morgan pilot and ex-Peyote wner/driver, Pat Starr, said he should join FOT. I am hoping Pat and others ill second this nomination. He his just beginning the restoration and ooking forward to 2011. John Hagen is President of Vintage Sports Car Racing Minnesota) VSCR 763-684-1617. His email address is: jkhagen at charter.net Bill Dentinger ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 09:25:51 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:25:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRs/Spits/7's/MGs photos Message-ID: Pictures of 69 cars that need homes!? I will try to answer ant questions http://www.flickr.com/photos/55832223 at n03/sets/72157625367831036/ rob deanes TR Racer From bownes at seiri.com Fri Nov 12 10:22:07 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:22:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRs/Spits/7's/MGs photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Let's start with what state are they in? Thanks! Bob On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Robert Deanes wrote: > Pictures of 69 cars that need homes!? > I will try to answer ant questions > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55832223 at n03/sets/72157625367831036/ > > > > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 10:54:36 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:54:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRs/Spits/7's/MGs photos In-Reply-To: <13C7484D-EC36-4781-AA07-3F8ADF83B4D5@charter.net> References: <13C7484D-EC36-4781-AA07-3F8ADF83B4D5@charter.net> Message-ID: Yes, you would think they came from the beach ! some especially the MGs took a beating and TRs not far behind rob On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Jerry Barr wrote: > The place looks like British Sportscar hell. > On Nov 12, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Robert Deanes wrote: > > > Pictures of 69 cars that need homes!? > > I will try to answer ant questions > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55832223 at n03/sets/72157625367831036/ > > > > > > > > rob deanes > > TR Racer > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 10:56:40 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:56:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRs/Spits/7's/MGs photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: These cars are in Eastern N.C. just off I- 95 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:22 PM, robert bownes wrote: > Let's start with what state are they in? > > Thanks! > Bob > > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Robert Deanes wrote: > >> Pictures of 69 cars that need homes!? >> I will try to answer ant questions >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/55832223 at n03/sets/72157625367831036/ >> >> >> >> rob deanes >> TR Racer >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Nov 13 08:50:41 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:50:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing just adopted the 1981 GCR References: <1227430726.901887.1289347872921.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: That is very interesting and if this is a trend that other racing clubs pick up on it'll add a new dynamic to our racing. One of the nicer concepts of vintage racing is that we are or were all supposed to be building our cars to a point in time, with period correct parts. When we got together from the far reaches we can have at it with pretty comparable cars. If RMVR is going to push a Mikuni'd carbureted, fiberglassed fendered MGB into GT-1 and it means that the productiuon classes are going to be purer to that point in time, than I think these new classes are a good thing. I race in CVAR and we don't have issues with declining registrations so I don't see us adding to the years of eligibility any time soon. We do have the same problem that many clubs have with cars that are built well beyond the club's rules, which in our case is the 1972 GCR. In reading the RMVR webpage it was clear that both declining attendance and figuring out what to do with cars that were built to a modern standard drove their decision to add the 1981 classes. When I started I saw the firm rules as a good way to have competitive racing while being able to control the effects of throwing dollars at the cars. I started with a 5 grand TR3. I couldn't have afforded to go racing any other way. There was only so much you could do with the 1972 technology. I've been at it for fifteen years now and unfortunately the state of vintage racing these days has changed. Now we have 10,000 rpm / $10,000.00 motors in small bore cars all over the place. I guess those guys would want to go to GT-1 with their cars too. Then they can put on flares and slicks to match the rest of the car. I see this as a good outcome. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: Bob Kramer Cc: Mark Pendergrass ; N197TR4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing just adopted the 1981 GCR. The hope is to attract cars that are no longer competetive in SCCA/NASA but not elegible for current vintage rules and get them on track again. We have our own exceptions to the '81 GCR but not many. '81 GCR cars will have thier own classification such as DP-1, HP-1, etc. For cars that don't fit at all we have an exhibition class which people are allowed to race twice a year. As an example of the differences between clubs, TR-4's in RMVR don't get to run Webers but the Spridgets and MG's do. Hence my " cheater" mikunis. If I had it my way there would be a 2.5L FPF Coventry Climax in mine. From rwestfall at ymail.com Sat Nov 13 10:01:57 2010 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:01:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Nomination Message-ID: <690559.45783.qm@web59912.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 11/13/10, Russell Westfall wrote: From: Russell Westfall Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination To: "RACER BUD" Date: Saturday, November 13, 2010, 4:49 PM I would second or third the nomination of John Hagen. John and I have talked and we are interested in increasing the Triumph presence in vintage racing here in the frozen Tundra of Minnesota. I know that John will be a great asset to our group. I'm glad to have a new member so close.Russ WestfallTR4 --- On Fri, 11/12/10, RACER BUD wrote: From: RACER BUD Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination To: fot at autox.team.net, billdentin at aol.com Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 2:50 AM I second the nomination... Racer Bud Spitfire #21 Sonoma, CA. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 6:11 PM Subject: [Fot] Nomination > Amici... > > I would like to nominate John Hagen for membership in the Friends of Tirumph. > John owns a '63 TVR Grandura and just purchased an SCCA prepared TR-4--Raced > 1972-1977 by Mike Lampe. Have log book etc--premier Morgan pilot and ex-Peyote > owner/driver, Pat Starr, said he should join FOT. I am hoping Pat and others > will second this nomination. He his just beginning the restoration and > looking forward to 2011. John Hagen is President of Vintage Sports Car Racing > (Minnesota) VSCR 763-684-1617. His email address is: jkhagen at charter.net > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Sat Nov 13 20:28:30 2010 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:28:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Message-ID: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them after blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built new hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. Any imput would be great. Thanks Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Nov 13 22:08:31 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 23:08:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20101114050808.36262187645@autox.team.net> Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >after >blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From spitlist at cox.net Sat Nov 13 23:43:57 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 23:43:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <20101114050808.36262187645@autox.team.net> References: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20101114050808.36262187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Has anybody ever put a remote oil filter between the engine and the input of the oil cooler to prevent klag from getting into the cooler? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:09 PM To: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >after >blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Sun Nov 14 00:39:06 2010 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:39:06 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Throw it out you cannot guarantee to get all metal out , good insurance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Mehl" To: "Triumph Friends of" Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:28 PM Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be > accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them > after > blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built > new > hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. > Any imput would be great. > > Thanks > Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Nov 14 03:29:42 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:29:42 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901cb83e6$db0b51e0$9121f5a0$@com> Don't you guys run oil filters? I never did care about my oil coolers and hoses after an engine blow, bearing wear or something else. I never got debris from the cooler back into the engine, or better said it all accumulated in the filter. The debris size blocked by the filter is around 0.0001968" and after some use the filter blocks smaller sizes until the filter gets blocked for oil flow. I don't think that debris in the cooler would do any harm to the engine if a proper filter is installed and the oil pump won't complain about I suppose. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mike Mehl Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. November 2010 04:29 An: Triumph Friends of Betreff: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them after blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built new hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. Any imput would be great. Thanks Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From igofaster at att.net Sun Nov 14 08:17:03 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 07:17:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] when I grow up I want to be just like... In-Reply-To: References: <1227430726.901887.1289347872921.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <832229.46710.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bob Kramer.... Mikuni carburetors??? I have NO IDEA what you are referring to...... Don't worry... I'm going to build two manifolds for BOTH setups... just got the cars (TR6-GT6-Spitfire) situated yesterday. I think I'll send my SU's to Joe Curto... isn't that his name... the king of SU's? I've got the receipt where Bob Davis had them built years back. I'm going to ask him about the miss-matched jet issue and see if I can get a selection of needles and jets that I can play with. I have to say,with deep sincerity, your commitment to our marque and your patience and guidance (and loaner parts) with everyone in our little Texas Triumph F.o.T. camp at T.W.S. last weekend was very much appreciated. It kind of reminded me of a dad hoovering over all his kids making sure our bicycles were safe and our wheels wouldn't fall off. Although I didn't get in but two laps this past weekend fiddling with carburetors once again, the camaraderie and the friendships built and lasting, truly is as much fun and enjoyment as the actual racing. Thanks Bob ... honored to be your friend and running buddy.. Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Nov 14 09:20:19 2010 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:20:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E729AB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <> Yes, I do, as I'm sure lots of people do. It theoretically will catch all the scrap, but I always wonder whether the filter might clog and open the by-pass. I replace the cooler. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: 'Tony Drews' ; 'Mike Mehl' ; 'Triumph Friends of' Sent: Sun Nov 14 00:43:57 2010 Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Has anybody ever put a remote oil filter between the engine and the input of the oil cooler to prevent klag from getting into the cooler? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:09 PM To: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >after >blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 14 09:21:22 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:21:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] when I grow up I want to be just like... References: <1227430726.901887.1289347872921.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <832229.46710.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <88DA0F56B78E4A76BBBD235AE075D603@latitudefb1e41> Don't let my purist attitude toward SU's put you off. I believe there is room in most vintage organizations for all the various approaches and the run groups should be set up to deal with the realities of the way guys want to run their cars. I wish CVAR would set up another tier of rules at 1981 because that would allow the guys that we run with that want to, or have already taken it to a higher, more modern level a chance to do it legally and give the rest of us a better excuse for being slow! Our grids are mostly made up of cars built for vintage racing, not historic cars. Those cars go to the bigger festival events. It was cool to see that Cobra Daytona Coupe racing around Watkins Glen a few years ago and even cooler to be racing with some historic iron, but it is no longer the vintage racing norm for most of us. Consider that a plug to plan to go to Laguna Seca and see some rare cars. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: Bob Kramer Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 9:17 AM Subject: when I grow up I want to be just like... Bob Kramer.... Mikuni carburetors??? I have NO IDEA what you are referring to...... Don't worry... I'm going to build two manifolds for BOTH setups... just got the cars (TR6-GT6-Spitfire) situated yesterday. I think I'll send my SU's to Joe Curto... isn't that his name... the king of SU's? I've got the receipt where Bob Davis had them built years back. I'm going to ask him about the miss-matched jet issue and see if I can get a selection of needles and jets that I can play with. I have to say,with deep sincerity, your commitment to our marque and your patience and guidance (and loaner parts) with everyone in our little Texas Triumph F.o.T. camp at T.W.S. last weekend was very much appreciated. It kind of reminded me of a dad hoovering over all his kids making sure our bicycles were safe and our wheels wouldn't fall off. Although I didn't get in but two laps this past weekend fiddling with carburetors once again, the camaraderie and the friendships built and lasting, truly is as much fun and enjoyment as the actual racing. Thanks Bob ... honored to be your friend and running buddy.. Bobby Whitehead ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Nov 14 10:17:28 2010 From: fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:17:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning- testing the cooler In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E729AB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E729AB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CD5236F27A313D-18C8-186D2@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> I have an oil cooler testing tool, the pointy end of a nasty old chipping hammer... HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: spitlist ; tony ; mike.mehl ; fot Sent: Sun, Nov 14, 2010 11:40 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning <> Yes, I do, as I'm sure lots of people do. It theoretically will catch all the scrap, but I always wonder whether the filter might clog and open the by-pass. I replace the cooler. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: 'Tony Drews' ; 'Mike Mehl' ; 'Triumph Friends of' Sent: Sun Nov 14 00:43:57 2010 Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Has anybody ever put a remote oil filter between the engine and the input of the oil cooler to prevent klag from getting into the cooler? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:09 PM To: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >after >blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From jfrymark at aol.com Sun Nov 14 11:19:50 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:19:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Message-ID: <179D70A0-3471-4F99-AE6A-B0C70845AA8F@aol.com> Several regional Transit /Bus operators clean coolers (transmission and oil) using immersion in an ultrasonic tank while flushing filtered cleaning solution through. This is the only method I would rely on for routine cleaning. But after a grenaded engine, it's best to just get a new cooler. John Frymark From oldspeed72 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 14 12:36:46 2010 From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com (oldspeed72 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 19:36:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning- testing the cooler Message-ID: I donate mine to the local MG club ------Original Message------ From: Fubog1 Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: mike.mehl at yahoo.com To: FOT LIST Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning- testing the cooler Sent: Nov 14, 2010 11:17 AM I have an oil cooler testing tool, the pointy end of a nasty old chipping hammer... HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: spitlist ; tony ; mike.mehl ; fot Sent: Sun, Nov 14, 2010 11:40 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning <> Yes, I do, as I'm sure lots of people do. It theoretically will catch all the scrap, but I always wonder whether the filter might clog and open the by-pass. I replace the cooler. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: 'Tony Drews' ; 'Mike Mehl' ; 'Triumph Friends of' Sent: Sun Nov 14 00:43:57 2010 Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Has anybody ever put a remote oil filter between the engine and the input of the oil cooler to prevent klag from getting into the cooler? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:09 PM To: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >after >blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/oldspeed72 at yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Sun Nov 14 12:47:33 2010 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:47:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Message-ID: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> You all confirmed my thoughts. I will add it to the other one on the shelf and hope I don't expand my collection. I will order another one. I took apart my accusump and cleaned it and will puck the hoses. We have a system to shoot a puck (like an ear plug) through hoses to clean them after assembly. I did like one comment that suggested donating it to the MG club. Thanks all. Mike Mehl ________________________________ From: Tony Drews To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph Friends of Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:08:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >after >blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Nov 14 12:59:09 2010 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:59:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E729AB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E729AB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <001e01cb8436$66c83b90$3458b2b0$@rr.com> Folks, I have lurked on the sidelines and watched this thread. Is the savings of $100 worth risking an engine? Think how much that engine cost and realize you may also lose your entry fee for a race weekend when that lump croaks. Still a bargain? Okay, I offer the following.......I have two coolers that have been contaminated in the past sitting on a shelf. I offer these for free to anyone who competes against my Spitfire in the Northeast. I am even willing to provide a Guinness for you when you become a forced spectator with a dead engine. There are a number of pretty well experienced racers who have expressed facts, listen to them. My offer stands. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 (VARAC & VRG) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 11:20 AM To: spitlist at cox.net; tony at tonydrews.com; mike.mehl at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning <> Yes, I do, as I'm sure lots of people do. It theoretically will catch all the scrap, but I always wonder whether the filter might clog and open the by-pass. I replace the cooler. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: 'Tony Drews' ; 'Mike Mehl' ; 'Triumph Friends of' Sent: Sun Nov 14 00:43:57 2010 Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Has anybody ever put a remote oil filter between the engine and the input of the oil cooler to prevent klag from getting into the cooler? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:09 PM To: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >after >blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From billb at bnj.com Sun Nov 14 13:36:15 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:36:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Before you spend the bucks to replace that oil cooler, try running without it for awhile. If your oil temperature isn't getting too high, and your water temperature doesn't need the help, then let it go until you see a condition where it looks like it might help. I've stopped fitting oil coolers just by rote. Peyote still has one, mostly because it's there and the engine oil temp gets about right in the longer races--230-240. My new street TR3 hot rod won't have one unless it needs it, and neither will the AMBRO. I think with these wet sump engines that making sure the engine oil gets above 212 is a good thing. Cleans the mayo out of the oil. On Nov 14, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Mike Mehl wrote: > You all confirmed my thoughts. I will add it to the other one on the shelf > and > hope I don't expand my collection. I will order another one. I took > apart my > accusump and cleaned it and will puck the hoses. We have a system > to shoot a > puck (like an ear plug) through hoses to clean them after > assembly. > > > I did like one comment that suggested donating it to the MG > club. > > Thanks all. > > Mike Mehl > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Tony > Drews > To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph > Friends of > Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:08:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > Compare the price of a new oil cooler > with the price of a new > motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take > a chance to > save a hundred or two $. > > Seems a shame to throw away a new > cooler, but they are virtually > impossible to get completely clean, > unfortunately. > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >> Since > this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >> accumulating > Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >> after >> blowing > and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >> new >> hoses > too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >> Any imput > would be great. >> >> Thanks >> Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From kaskas at cox.net Sun Nov 14 14:22:06 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:22:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've said before, oil at 225 makes more power by far than at 180 or so. When in the old days and my TR-3 in about 5-7 laps the oil got to 300 and as we were not allowed to have oil coolers, I did the next best thing, I took out the gauge. Never made a bit of difference in longevity, and gave me peace of mind. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Babcock" Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 12:36 PM To: "Mike Mehl" Cc: "Triumph Friends of" Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > Before you spend the bucks to replace that oil cooler, try running without > it > for awhile. If your oil temperature isn't getting too high, and your water > temperature doesn't need the help, then let it go until you see a > condition > where it looks like it might help. I've stopped fitting oil coolers just > by > rote. Peyote still has one, mostly because it's there and the engine oil > temp > gets about right in the longer races--230-240. > > My new street TR3 hot rod won't have one unless it needs it, and neither > will > the AMBRO. > > I think with these wet sump engines that making sure the engine oil gets > above > 212 is a good thing. Cleans the mayo out of the oil. > > On Nov 14, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Mike Mehl wrote: > >> You all confirmed my thoughts. I will add it to the other one on the >> shelf >> and >> hope I don't expand my collection. I will order another one. I took >> apart my >> accusump and cleaned it and will puck the hoses. We have a system >> to shoot a >> puck (like an ear plug) through hoses to clean them after >> assembly. >> >> >> I did like one comment that suggested donating it to the MG >> club. >> >> Thanks all. >> >> Mike Mehl >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Tony >> Drews >> To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph >> Friends of >> Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:08:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning >> >> Compare the price of a new oil cooler >> with the price of a new >> motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take >> a chance to >> save a hundred or two $. >> >> Seems a shame to throw away a new >> cooler, but they are virtually >> impossible to get completely clean, >> unfortunately. >> >> - Tony Drews >> >> At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >>> Since >> this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >>> accumulating >> Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >>> after >>> blowing >> and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >>> new >>> hoses >> too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >>> Any imput >> would be great. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Mike Mehl #46 TR4 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From wes at hsrca.org.au Sun Nov 14 14:32:00 2010 From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:32:00 +1100 Subject: [Fot] when I grow up I want to be just like... In-Reply-To: <832229.46710.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Seeing the subject line on this note reminded me of a lovely little story about a conversation between Father and Son: Son: "Dad, when I grow up I want to be a racing car driver". Dad: "Sorry son, but you can't do both". Wes On 15/11/10 2:17 AM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > Bob Kramer.... > > Mikuni carburetors??? I have NO IDEA what you are referring to...... > > Don't worry... I'm going to build two manifolds for BOTH setups... just got > the > cars (TR6-GT6-Spitfire) situated yesterday. I think I'll send my SU's to Joe > Curto... isn't that his name... the king of SU's? I've got the receipt where > Bob > Davis had them built years back. I'm going to ask him about the miss-matched > jet > issue and see if I can get a selection of needles and jets that I can play > with. > > I have to say,with deep sincerity, your commitment to our marque and your > patience and guidance (and loaner parts) with everyone in our little Texas > Triumph F.o.T. camp at T.W.S. last weekend was very much appreciated. It kind > of > reminded me of a dad hoovering over all his kids making sure our bicycles were > safe and our wheels wouldn't fall off. > > Although I didn't get in but two laps this past weekend fiddling with > carburetors once again, the camaraderie and the friendships built and lasting, > truly is as much fun and enjoyment as the actual racing. > Thanks Bob ... honored to be your friend and running buddy.. > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wes at hsrca.org.au From spitlist at cox.net Sun Nov 14 15:26:52 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:26:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kas, I guess in this case, "Ignorance really is BLISS"! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:22 PM To: Bill Babcock; Mike Mehl Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning I've said before, oil at 225 makes more power by far than at 180 or so. When in the old days and my TR-3 in about 5-7 laps the oil got to 300 and as we were not allowed to have oil coolers, I did the next best thing, I took out the gauge. Never made a bit of difference in longevity, and gave me peace of mind. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Nov 14 16:18:17 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:18:17 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001cb8452$39abb490$ad031db0$@com> I never had an oil temp gauge in my car. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Joe Curry Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. November 2010 23:27 An: 'Kas Kastner'; 'Bill Babcock'; 'Mike Mehl' Cc: 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Kas, I guess in this case, "Ignorance really is BLISS"! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:22 PM To: Bill Babcock; Mike Mehl Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning I've said before, oil at 225 makes more power by far than at 180 or so. When in the old days and my TR-3 in about 5-7 laps the oil got to 300 and as we were not allowed to have oil coolers, I did the next best thing, I took out the gauge. Never made a bit of difference in longevity, and gave me peace of mind. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Nov 14 16:41:44 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:41:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CD526CA1581219-1950-1B006@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com> i took ours out a long time ago....temps seemed too low most of the time. ambro doesnt have one either. btw, i took 89 through Sedona this morning and had a conversation with an Officer PEYOTE. I told him he had a car named after him. he laughed and let me go. in Caifornia now -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock To: Mike Mehl Cc: Triumph Friends of Sent: Sun, Nov 14, 2010 2:36 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Before you spend the bucks to replace that oil cooler, try running without it for awhile. If your oil temperature isn't getting too high, and your water temperature doesn't need the help, then let it go until you see a condition where it looks like it might help. I've stopped fitting oil coolers just by rote. Peyote still has one, mostly because it's there and the engine oil temp gets about right in the longer races--230-240. My new street TR3 hot rod won't have one unless it needs it, and neither will the AMBRO. I think with these wet sump engines that making sure the engine oil gets above 212 is a good thing. Cleans the mayo out of the oil. On Nov 14, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Mike Mehl wrote: > You all confirmed my thoughts. I will add it to the other one on the shelf > and > hope I don't expand my collection. I will order another one. I took > apart my > accusump and cleaned it and will puck the hoses. We have a system > to shoot a > puck (like an ear plug) through hoses to clean them after > assembly. > > > I did like one comment that suggested donating it to the MG > club. > > Thanks all. > > Mike Mehl > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Tony > Drews > To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph > Friends of > Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:08:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > Compare the price of a new oil cooler > with the price of a new > motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take > a chance to > save a hundred or two $. > > Seems a shame to throw away a new > cooler, but they are virtually > impossible to get completely clean, > unfortunately. > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >> Since > this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >> accumulating > Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >> after >> blowing > and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >> new >> hoses > too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >> Any imput > would be great. >> >> Thanks >> Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From budscars at comcast.net Sun Nov 14 16:44:51 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:44:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <000001cb8452$39abb490$ad031db0$@com> Message-ID: <964B808DFF4248AAB7AF2B5B84B7F440@Bud> oil temp gauges are good to have to be sure your oil is warmed up enough in cold weather... RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning >I never had an oil temp gauge in my car. > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Joe Curry > Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. November 2010 23:27 > An: 'Kas Kastner'; 'Bill Babcock'; 'Mike Mehl' > Cc: 'Triumph Friends of' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > Kas, > I guess in this case, "Ignorance really is BLISS"! :) > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Kas Kastner > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:22 PM > To: Bill Babcock; Mike Mehl > Cc: Triumph Friends of > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > I've said before, oil at 225 makes more power by far than at 180 or so. > When > > in the old days and my TR-3 in about 5-7 laps the oil got to 300 and as we > were not allowed to have oil coolers, I did the next best thing, I took > out > the gauge. Never made a bit of difference in longevity, and gave me > peace > of mind. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Nov 14 17:21:55 2010 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 19:21:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CD526CA1581219-1950-1B006@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com> References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CD526CA1581219-1950-1B006@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I remember back when I worked at an import shop that had a lot of VW customers. The original VW GTIs, and all the Rabbits really, ran veryk high oil temps from the factory and it was never an issue. With modern synthetic oils, or blends thereof, 220F oil temps are simple a non issue, IMHO. As to what to do with a cooler after an engine failure? Toss 'em. Sacrificing a multi thousand dollar race engine for a hundred odd dollar oil cooler makes no sense to me. Terry Stetler From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 14 18:44:48 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 19:44:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801cb8466$b069b780$113d2680$@rr.com> My TR3 has been run more times with the oil cooler blocked than not. I can't get the oil over 180 with the air flowing through the cooler. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:36 PM To: Mike Mehl Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Before you spend the bucks to replace that oil cooler, try running without it for awhile. If your oil temperature isn't getting too high, and your water temperature doesn't need the help, then let it go until you see a condition where it looks like it might help. I've stopped fitting oil coolers just by rote. Peyote still has one, mostly because it's there and the engine oil temp gets about right in the longer races--230-240. My new street TR3 hot rod won't have one unless it needs it, and neither will the AMBRO. I think with these wet sump engines that making sure the engine oil gets above 212 is a good thing. Cleans the mayo out of the oil. On Nov 14, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Mike Mehl wrote: > You all confirmed my thoughts. I will add it to the other one on the shelf > and > hope I don't expand my collection. I will order another one. I took > apart my > accusump and cleaned it and will puck the hoses. We have a system > to shoot a > puck (like an ear plug) through hoses to clean them after > assembly. > > > I did like one comment that suggested donating it to the MG > club. > > Thanks all. > > Mike Mehl > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Tony > Drews > To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph > Friends of > Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:08:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > Compare the price of a new oil cooler > with the price of a new > motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take > a chance to > save a hundred or two $. > > Seems a shame to throw away a new > cooler, but they are virtually > impossible to get completely clean, > unfortunately. > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >> Since > this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >> accumulating > Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >> after >> blowing > and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >> new >> hoses > too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >> Any imput > would be great. >> >> Thanks >> Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From horizonracing at msn.com Sun Nov 14 19:21:51 2010 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:21:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike Yes, By all means get a new oil cooler if it is Reg. size and available. I have in the Past had Dry sump oil tanks and "special" Coolers/thermostats cleaned by "Lanfried Ultra sonic cleaning service' Carson, Ca. The FAA approve these guys to clean coolers Etc. IT's been a while since I have used them, So I don't know the current costs. best of Luck Tony > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:47:33 -0800 > From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com > To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > You all confirmed my thoughts. I will add it to the other one on the shelf > and > hope I don't expand my collection. I will order another one. I took > apart my > accusump and cleaned it and will puck the hoses. We have a system > to shoot a > puck (like an ear plug) through hoses to clean them after > assembly. > > > I did like one comment that suggested donating it to the MG > club. > > Thanks all. > > Mike Mehl > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Tony > Drews > To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph > Friends of > Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:08:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > Compare the price of a new oil cooler > with the price of a new > motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take > a chance to > save a hundred or two $. > > Seems a shame to throw away a new > cooler, but they are virtually > impossible to get completely clean, > unfortunately. > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: > >Since > this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be > >accumulating > Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them > >after > >blowing > and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built > >new > >hoses > too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. > >Any imput > would be great. > > > >Thanks > >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From horizonracing at msn.com Sun Nov 14 19:22:04 2010 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:22:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike Yes, By all means get a new oil cooler if it is Reg. size and available. I have in the Past had Dry sump oil tanks and "special" Coolers/thermostats cleaned by "Lanfried Ultra sonic cleaning service' Carson, Ca. The FAA approve these guys to clean coolers Etc. IT's been a while since I have used them, So I don't know the current costs. best of Luck Tony > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:47:33 -0800 > From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com > To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > You all confirmed my thoughts. I will add it to the other one on the shelf > and > hope I don't expand my collection. I will order another one. I took > apart my > accusump and cleaned it and will puck the hoses. We have a system > to shoot a > puck (like an ear plug) through hoses to clean them after > assembly. > > > I did like one comment that suggested donating it to the MG > club. > > Thanks all. > > Mike Mehl > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Tony > Drews > To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph > Friends of > Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:08:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > Compare the price of a new oil cooler > with the price of a new > motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take > a chance to > save a hundred or two $. > > Seems a shame to throw away a new > cooler, but they are virtually > impossible to get completely clean, > unfortunately. > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: > >Since > this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be > >accumulating > Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them > >after > >blowing > and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built > >new > >hoses > too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. > >Any imput > would be great. > > > >Thanks > >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From smockracer at charter.net Sun Nov 14 19:35:29 2010 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:35:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Message-ID: <0E40F4E79EEE4823B3B9A4F9919BFA1E@fred> ----- Original Message ----- From: MORDY DUNST To: Paul Smock ; John Nikas Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Paul... I added a few lines What do you think? --------------------------------------- Car appearance and presentation will be a very important aspect to our event with the Historic Motor Sports Association at Laguna Seca. With this in mind we will need current pictures of your car. We would highly recommend 3/4Front and 3/4 Rear accompanied with a very short BIO on your car and driver. Your car has to be approved. You must be currently configured to your home Vintage Motor Club's rules and have a Log Book. Send (non returnable) pictures to Paul Smock 2439 Monogram Ave. Long Beach,Ca. 90815 Phone #562 221 4121. Jpeg images are also acceptable as long as the file size is between 500 to 700 KB. These may be sent to smockracer at charter.net For more information about the Venue and the Historic Motor Sports Association visit the following links. http://www.hmsausa.com http://www.mazdaraceway.com/ . From smockracer at charter.net Sun Nov 14 19:35:29 2010 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:35:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Message-ID: <3AB1537ED1D44C3EA70E1158991104E8@fred> ----- Original Message ----- From: MORDY DUNST To: Paul Smock ; John Nikas Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Paul... I added a few lines What do you think? --------------------------------------- Car appearance and presentation will be a very important aspect to our event with the Historic Motor Sports Association at Laguna Seca. With this in mind we will need current pictures of your car. We would highly recommend 3/4Front and 3/4 Rear accompanied with a very short BIO on your car and driver. Your car has to be approved. You must be currently configured to your home Vintage Motor Club's rules and have a Log Book. Send (non returnable) pictures to Paul Smock 2439 Monogram Ave. Long Beach,Ca. 90815 Phone #562 221 4121. Jpeg images are also acceptable as long as the file size is between 500 to 700 KB. These may be sent to smockracer at charter.net For more information about the Venue and the Historic Motor Sports Association visit the following links. http://www.hmsausa.com http://www.mazdaraceway.com/ . From klynch_6 at msn.com Sun Nov 14 20:49:03 2010 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:49:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Message-ID: Let's see... 'pretentious'...that's the word! jus sayin'. One might think we run around in a bunch of 'crap wagons'!? #6 From cwnfot at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 06:32:23 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:32:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003501cb84c9$89fbe1f0$9df3a5d0$@com> Reminds me of the 1979 SCCA Runoffs at Road Atlanta. Steve Johnson showed up on the FP race grid in his Spitfire with all the gauges covered with duct tape. He went on to win the race and the championship. I seem to remember his engine was put together from a collection of parts from several engines that week. I don't remember if I took a photo or if the image is burned into my memory! His victory lap photo was used in a British Leyland magazine advertisement. Last I knew Steve is retired in the Caribbean somewhere. Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." -----Original Message----- Kas, I guess in this case, "Ignorance really is BLISS"! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- I've said before, oil at 225 makes more power by far than at 180 or so. When in the old days and my TR-3 in about 5-7 laps the oil got to 300 and as we were not allowed to have oil coolers, I did the next best thing, I took out the gauge. Never made a bit of difference in longevity, and gave me peace of mind. Kas From gasket.works at verizon.net Mon Nov 15 08:21:27 2010 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:21:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup References: Message-ID: <002201cb84d8$c6cd0b40$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Kevin; There have been some comments that some cars need some cleaning up. MINE INCLUDED!~!~!~ can you imagine? Paul Smock has been designated as our Laguna Seca "Kas Cup" arbitrator with HMSA regarding these issues. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 7:49 PM Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup > Let's see... 'pretentious'...that's the word! > > jus sayin'. > One might think we run around in a bunch of 'crap wagons'!? > > #6 From jason at multivintage.com Mon Nov 15 08:44:45 2010 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:44:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca Message-ID: Kastner Cupers, OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA or not. My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed 1972 specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to race in any group. How will this all pan out? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car starting in1971) Brookfield IL From klynch_6 at msn.com Mon Nov 15 09:15:53 2010 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:15:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <002201cb84d8$c6cd0b40$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> References: <002201cb84d8$c6cd0b40$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: Sorry Mordy, just rubbed me the wrong way. Am glad that you have some "Don't Tread/Judge on Me' liaison in place. This is the very thing that keeps the 'common man' (driving 1500+ miles) from fulfilling one for his 'common' bucket list. I just hope Mordy, FOT can negotiate around this needless pomposity. This ain't 'Housewives of Carmel Valley'! So my apologies gang, it's just how I feel about it. Let me just get situated on top of the dunking pool here, You may fire when ready... #6 Subprime Vintage Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: MORDY DUNST To: KEVIN LYNCH ; FOT Cc: editor at vintageracecar.com Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Kevin; There have been some comments that some cars need some cleaning up. MINE INCLUDED!~!~!~ can you imagine? Paul Smock has been designated as our Laguna Seca "Kas Cup" arbitrator with HMSA regarding these issues. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 7:49 PM Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup > Let's see... 'pretentious'...that's the word! > > jus sayin'. > One might think we run around in a bunch of 'crap wagons'!? > > #6 From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Nov 15 09:21:43 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:21:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD52F853B899AB-1D18-CAD@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> when featured marques come in from all over the country eligibility is relaxed. but must conform to your home organization. after that cars of significance might be considered on a case by case basis. Mordy says that Paul Smock will field issues of eligibility. plan on being there. btw, did you get a call from John W? -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:44 am Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca Kastner Cupers, OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA or not. My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed 1972 specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to race in any group. How will this all pan out? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car starting in1971) Brookfield IL _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 15 09:28:07 2010 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (sbracing at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:28:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <726922.45227.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://hugihali.tripod.com/ From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Nov 15 09:37:51 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:37:51 EST Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Message-ID: <5d11.851cd03.3a12bbdf@aol.com> In a message dated 11/15/2010 9:38:05 AM Central Standard Time, gasket.works at verizon.net writes: > There have been some comments that some cars need some cleaning up. MINE > > INCLUDED!~!~!~ can you imagine? Paul Smock has been designated as our > Laguna Seca "Kas Cup" arbitrator with > HMSA regarding these issues. > Amici... I think this is a good thing. PRESENTATION is important in vintage racing, Vintage race cars ought to look good. Effort and funding ought to be expended towards that end. I can remember back in the late 1970s and early 1980s when vintage racing was first taking off the 'caveat' from the sanctioning bodies was, "We don't want a bunch of rusty TR3s!" That used to hurt my feelings, even though my car was prepared and presented properly and certainly not rusty. But TRIUMPH often has this 'bottom of the sports car barrel' reputation. We're too common by some standards. TRIUMPH has earned its place in sports car racing, and it is far from the bottom of the barrel. Vintage TRIUMPH racers help polish our reputation by racing cars that look as good as they run. Since TRIUMPH will be a featured marque at these events, I'll be surprised if the sanctioning bodies don't look the other way at preparation levels which might be over and above their own regulations (providing the car is accepted in another venue). But I give them credit if they seek 'good looking' race cars. I think that is in everyone's best interests. Bill Dentinger From horizonracing at msn.com Mon Nov 15 10:06:23 2010 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:06:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <5d11.851cd03.3a12bbdf@aol.com> References: <5d11.851cd03.3a12bbdf@aol.com> Message-ID: Nicely said Bill ! > From: BillDentin at aol.com > Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:37:51 -0500 > To: gasket.works at verizon.net; klynch_6 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > CC: editor at vintageracecar.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup > > In a message dated 11/15/2010 9:38:05 AM Central Standard Time, > gasket.works at verizon.net writes: > > > > There have been some comments that some cars need some cleaning up. MINE > > > > INCLUDED!~!~!~ can you imagine? Paul Smock has been designated as our > > Laguna Seca "Kas Cup" arbitrator with > > HMSA regarding these issues. > > > Amici... > > I think this is a good thing. PRESENTATION is important in vintage racing, > Vintage race cars ought to look good. Effort and funding ought to be > expended towards that end. I can remember back in the late 1970s and early > 1980s when vintage racing was first taking off the 'caveat' from the sanctioning > bodies was, "We don't want a bunch of rusty TR3s!" That used to hurt my > feelings, even though my car was prepared and presented properly and certainly > not rusty. But TRIUMPH often has this 'bottom of the sports car barrel' > reputation. We're too common by some standards. TRIUMPH has earned its place > in sports car racing, and it is far from the bottom of the barrel. Vintage > TRIUMPH racers help polish our reputation by racing cars that look as good > as they run. > > Since TRIUMPH will be a featured marque at these events, I'll be surprised > if the sanctioning bodies don't look the other way at preparation levels > which might be over and above their own regulations (providing the car is > accepted in another venue). But I give them credit if they seek 'good looking' > race cars. I think that is in everyone's best interests. > > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From chasgee at aol.com Mon Nov 15 10:31:22 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:31:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca In-Reply-To: <8CD52F853B899AB-1D18-CAD@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD52F853B899AB-1D18-CAD@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD53020E9288B5-180-5CA@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> I hate to stirr up trouble, but someone needs to bluntly ask HMSA if they will accept anyone regardless of prep levels. They have always been sticklers in the past. It is only fair to those who want to make the long tow. Will you be doing that Paul? I, for one, do not want to change anything, including tires, for one event. Sorry to be so negative, but they have a reputation for purity, which I understand. But we need to know up front. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: jason at multivintage.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:21 am Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca when featured marques come in from all over the country eligibility is elaxed. but must conform to your home organization. after that cars of significance might be considered on a case by case basis. Mordy says that Paul Smock will field issues of eligibility. plan on being there. btw, did you get a call from John W? -----Original Message----- rom: Jason Ostrowski o: fot at autox.team.net ent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:44 am ubject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca astner Cupers, OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA or not. My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed 1972 specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to race in any group. How will this all pan out? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car starting in1971) Brookfield IL _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon Nov 15 10:50:01 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:50:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <5d11.851cd03.3a12bbdf@aol.com> References: <5d11.851cd03.3a12bbdf@aol.com> Message-ID: <32529EF27E0D4EBBB580B75AE0BA6EDD@KasPC> Just mostly they want you to replace the handle bars with an actual steering wheel, might help your lap times too. -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 8:37 AM To: ; ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup > In a message dated 11/15/2010 9:38:05 AM Central Standard Time, > gasket.works at verizon.net writes: > > >> There have been some comments that some cars need some cleaning up. MINE >> >> INCLUDED!~!~!~ can you imagine? Paul Smock has been designated as our >> Laguna Seca "Kas Cup" arbitrator with >> HMSA regarding these issues. >> > Amici... > > I think this is a good thing. PRESENTATION is important in vintage > racing, > Vintage race cars ought to look good. Effort and funding ought to be > expended towards that end. I can remember back in the late 1970s and > early > 1980s when vintage racing was first taking off the 'caveat' from the > sanctioning > bodies was, "We don't want a bunch of rusty TR3s!" That used to hurt my > feelings, even though my car was prepared and presented properly and > certainly > not rusty. But TRIUMPH often has this 'bottom of the sports car barrel' > reputation. We're too common by some standards. TRIUMPH has earned its > place > in sports car racing, and it is far from the bottom of the barrel. > Vintage > TRIUMPH racers help polish our reputation by racing cars that look as good > as they run. > > Since TRIUMPH will be a featured marque at these events, I'll be surprised > if the sanctioning bodies don't look the other way at preparation levels > which might be over and above their own regulations (providing the car is > accepted in another venue). But I give them credit if they seek 'good > looking' > race cars. I think that is in everyone's best interests. > > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From KENMUN at aol.com Mon Nov 15 11:04:46 2010 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:04:46 EST Subject: [Fot] wrist pins for 83mm pistons Message-ID: <52495.7d3e41b.3a12d03e@aol.com> anyone have a good set of wrist pins they'd like to sell? thanks, ken m. vintage tr3 racer From barry at penybryn.ca Mon Nov 15 11:36:10 2010 From: barry at penybryn.ca (Barry Munson) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:36:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Influence In-Reply-To: <003501cb84c9$89fbe1f0$9df3a5d0$@com> References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <003501cb84c9$89fbe1f0$9df3a5d0$@com> Message-ID: <000401cb84f3$fb6e4ba0$f24ae2e0$@ca> Amici - Who says racing is all serious business when in reality a good chuckle, especially post race is always remembered. In the context of Clark's note below I offer the following example. The scene is at last year's Indy Car race here in Edmonton where I was participating with 60 other competitors in the support race on a 2.2 mile temporary road course on the downtown airport. It was on Saturday in our 45 minute qualifying race, the temperature was 90+, when within 3 laps after the green flag the oil temperature soared to over 300 degrees and as I was leading my class at the time which would have meant a great starting position for the feature race in front of 50,000 people the next day, the thought of backing off didn't have a bunch of appeal, logic notwithstanding. Racing luck intervened on lap 5 with a full course yellow which lasted 8 laps (seems that the Starter collapsed in his stand - heat prostration). This respite presented the opportunity to reassess the situation - even with the reduced speed under yellow and pulling the car into clean air the oil temperature wouldn't go below 300. There wasn't much I could do short of pulling in and that wasn't going to happen - you know it's amazing what goes through your mind in situations like that - here's what went through mine. I can't do anything about it short of quitting, the gauge was driving me crazy and at that point I remembered a short passage from one of Kas's books, something about removing his oil temperature gauge, obviously I couldn't do that so I did the next best thing. Because of the heat I had added a hydration system with the hose running over my shoulder and into my helmet, the hose was secured to my shoulder with a piece of duct tape - you can see where this is going can't you - I loosened my belts, reached over and removed the duct tape from my shoulder, and completely covered the gauge with it, tightened the belts back up and when the green dropped went back at it. With the gauge distraction removed I did short shift by a 1000, really beat the car up trying to maintain momentum in the corners and only lost a couple of positions. When I returned to the paddock my crew chief, while helping me extract myself, gave me this puzzled look as his saw the duct tape covering the gauge, to which my comment was "don't even ask, Kas made me do it....." Barry. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Clark W. Nicholls Sent: November-15-10 6:32 AM To: 'Joe Curry'; 'Kas Kastner'; 'Bill Babcock'; 'Mike Mehl' Cc: 'Triumph Friends of' Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Reminds me of the 1979 SCCA Runoffs at Road Atlanta. Steve Johnson showed up on the FP race grid in his Spitfire with all the gauges covered with duct tape. He went on to win the race and the championship. I seem to remember his engine was put together from a collection of parts from several engines that week. I don't remember if I took a photo or if the image is burned into my memory! His victory lap photo was used in a British Leyland magazine advertisement. Last I knew Steve is retired in the Caribbean somewhere. Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." -----Original Message----- Kas, I guess in this case, "Ignorance really is BLISS"! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- I've said before, oil at 225 makes more power by far than at 180 or so. When in the old days and my TR-3 in about 5-7 laps the oil got to 300 and as we were not allowed to have oil coolers, I did the next best thing, I took out the gauge. Never made a bit of difference in longevity, and gave me peace of mind. Kas _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/barry at penybryn.ca From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Nov 15 11:40:19 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:40:19 EST Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Message-ID: In a message dated 11/15/2010 11:50:16 AM Central Standard Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: > Just mostly they want you to replace the handle bars with an actual > steering > wheel, might help your lap times too. > Thanks, Kas... That first year we put those handle bars on the car as a joke, we had a ball going through Tech. Because of our straight faced attitude, the fact that they were completely functional, and the official TRIUMPH hub cap badge they sport, they caused more high power caucuses than early "No Way!" reactions in Tech. Those handle bars have long been Ole Blue's signature upgrade, but I can only use them for drag racing, or generating puzzled looks and questions in our paddock. The most common question being, "Is the driver handicapped?" And of course, Wismer answers, "Yeah!" But except for slight bends in the road like 'the kink', I can't get the handle bars past my gut in hard turns when road racing. It's my gut and lack of natural talent impacting my lap times...not the handle bars. But as always, I appreciate, seek and need any and all further council. Keep it coming. Hope you and Peg are healthy, happy and warm. Bill From smockracer at charter.net Mon Nov 15 12:12:35 2010 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:12:35 -0800 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca References: <8CD52F853B899AB-1D18-CAD@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> <8CD53020E9288B5-180-5CA@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <523AFD38E30F481D8D726E07438E75CF@fred> YOUR CAR HAS TO BE APPROVED, THAT 'S WHAT THE PICTURES ARE FOR. (NO PRIMER,BIG DENTS, SHINY PRETTY TRIUMPHS) YOUR CAR MUST BE CONFIGURED TO YOUR VINTAGE CLUB'S RULES AND HAVE A CURRENT LOG BOOK! Your car runs under your Vintage club's rules. Paul #190 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca >I hate to stirr up trouble, but someone needs to bluntly ask HMSA if they >will > accept anyone regardless of prep levels. They have always been sticklers > in > the past. It is only fair to those who want to make the long tow. > > Will you be doing that Paul? I, for one, do not want to change anything, > including tires, for one event. > > Sorry to be so negative, but they have a reputation for purity, which I > understand. But we need to know up front. > > Chuck > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > To: jason at multivintage.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:21 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > > when featured marques come in from all over the country eligibility is > elaxed. > but must conform to your home organization. > after that cars of significance might be considered on a case by case > basis. > Mordy says that Paul Smock will field issues of eligibility. > plan on being there. > btw, did you get a call from John W? > > > > -----Original Message----- > rom: Jason Ostrowski > o: fot at autox.team.net > ent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:44 am > ubject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > astner Cupers, > > OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA > or > not. > My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own > sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. > I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some > track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. > > Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed > 1972 > specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year > racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to > race > in any group. How will this all pan out? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car > starting > in1971) > Brookfield IL > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/smockracer at charter.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 12:16:45 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:16:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You must ONLY comply with your home sanctioning body's rules. If you have a log book showing such compliance you will be fine. On Nov 15, 2010 8:10 AM, "Jason Ostrowski" wrote: > Kastner Cupers, > > OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA or > not. > My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own > sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. > I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some > track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. > > Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed 1972 > specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year > racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to race > in any group. How will this all pan out? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car starting > in1971) > Brookfield IL > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From smockracer at charter.net Mon Nov 15 12:57:42 2010 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:57:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca References: <8CD52F853B899AB-1D18-CAD@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> <8CD53020E9288B5-180-5CA@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: YOUR CAR HAS TO BE APPROVED, THAT'S WHAT THE PICTURES ARE FOR(NO PRIMER,BIG DENTS,SHINY PRETTY TRIUMPHS) YOUR CAR MUST BE CONFIGURED TO YOUR HOME VINTAGE CLUB'S RULES AND HAVE A CURRENT LOG BOOK. My car runs with VARA and has an Annual Inspection stamped in log book. Paul TR4A #190 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca >I hate to stirr up trouble, but someone needs to bluntly ask HMSA if they >will > accept anyone regardless of prep levels. They have always been sticklers > in > the past. It is only fair to those who want to make the long tow. > > Will you be doing that Paul? I, for one, do not want to change anything, > including tires, for one event. > > Sorry to be so negative, but they have a reputation for purity, which I > understand. But we need to know up front. > > Chuck > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > To: jason at multivintage.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:21 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > > when featured marques come in from all over the country eligibility is > elaxed. > but must conform to your home organization. > after that cars of significance might be considered on a case by case > basis. > Mordy says that Paul Smock will field issues of eligibility. > plan on being there. > btw, did you get a call from John W? > > > > -----Original Message----- > rom: Jason Ostrowski > o: fot at autox.team.net > ent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:44 am > ubject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > astner Cupers, > > OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA > or > not. > My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own > sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. > I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some > track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. > > Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed > 1972 > specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year > racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to > race > in any group. How will this all pan out? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car > starting > in1971) > Brookfield IL > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/smockracer at charter.net From smockracer at charter.net Mon Nov 15 12:57:42 2010 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:57:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca References: <8CD52F853B899AB-1D18-CAD@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> <8CD53020E9288B5-180-5CA@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: YOUR CAR HAS TO BE APPROVED, THAT'S WHAT THE PICTURES ARE FOR(NO PRIMER,BIG DENTS,SHINY PRETTY TRIUMPHS) YOUR CAR MUST BE CONFIGURED TO YOUR HOME VINTAGE CLUB'S RULES AND HAVE A CURRENT LOG BOOK. My car runs with VARA and has an Annual Inspection stamped in log book. Paul TR4A #190 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca >I hate to stirr up trouble, but someone needs to bluntly ask HMSA if they >will > accept anyone regardless of prep levels. They have always been sticklers > in > the past. It is only fair to those who want to make the long tow. > > Will you be doing that Paul? I, for one, do not want to change anything, > including tires, for one event. > > Sorry to be so negative, but they have a reputation for purity, which I > understand. But we need to know up front. > > Chuck > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > To: jason at multivintage.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:21 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > > when featured marques come in from all over the country eligibility is > elaxed. > but must conform to your home organization. > after that cars of significance might be considered on a case by case > basis. > Mordy says that Paul Smock will field issues of eligibility. > plan on being there. > btw, did you get a call from John W? > > > > -----Original Message----- > rom: Jason Ostrowski > o: fot at autox.team.net > ent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:44 am > ubject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > astner Cupers, > > OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA > or > not. > My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own > sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. > I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some > track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. > > Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed > 1972 > specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year > racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to > race > in any group. How will this all pan out? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car > starting > in1971) > Brookfield IL > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/smockracer at charter.net From jkhagen at charter.net Mon Nov 15 13:09:53 2010 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:09:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Message-ID: <977382992.1159292.1289851796157.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Bill My Hero and fellow FOTs'--This is from new-bee John Hagen--My newly acquired TR-4 has LSD [diff] locking one wheel 20lbs turns other wheel--anyone know spec. and parts or service [US] Rimmer Bros has exchange. Thanks - John Hagen 763-684-1617 On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:40 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/15/2010 11:50:16 AM Central Standard Time, > kaskas at cox.net writes: > > >> Just mostly they want you to replace the handle bars with an actual >> steering wheel, might help your lap times too. >> > > Thanks, Kas... > > That first year we put those handle bars on the car as a joke, we had > a ball going through Tech. Because of our straight faced attitude, > the fact that they were completely functional, and the official > TRIUMPH hub cap badge they sport, they caused more high power caucuses > than early "No Way!" reactions in Tech. > Those handle bars have long been Ole Blue's signature upgrade, but I > can only use them for drag racing, or generating puzzled looks and > questions in our paddock. The most common question being, "Is the > driver handicapped?" And of course, Wismer answers, "Yeah!" > > But except for slight bends in the road like 'the kink', I can't get > the handle bars past my gut in hard turns when road racing. It's my > gut and lack of natural talent impacting my lap times...not the handle > bars. But as always, I appreciate, seek and need any and all further > council. > Keep it coming. > > Hope you and Peg are healthy, happy and warm. > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From smockracer at charter.net Mon Nov 15 12:57:42 2010 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:57:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca References: <8CD52F853B899AB-1D18-CAD@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> <8CD53020E9288B5-180-5CA@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: YOUR CAR HAS TO BE APPROVED, THAT'S WHAT THE PICTURES ARE FOR(NO PRIMER,BIG DENTS,SHINY PRETTY TRIUMPHS) YOUR CAR MUST BE CONFIGURED TO YOUR HOME VINTAGE CLUB'S RULES AND HAVE A CURRENT LOG BOOK. My car runs with VARA and has an Annual Inspection stamped in log book. Paul TR4A #190 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca >I hate to stirr up trouble, but someone needs to bluntly ask HMSA if they >will > accept anyone regardless of prep levels. They have always been sticklers > in > the past. It is only fair to those who want to make the long tow. > > Will you be doing that Paul? I, for one, do not want to change anything, > including tires, for one event. > > Sorry to be so negative, but they have a reputation for purity, which I > understand. But we need to know up front. > > Chuck > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > To: jason at multivintage.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:21 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > > when featured marques come in from all over the country eligibility is > elaxed. > but must conform to your home organization. > after that cars of significance might be considered on a case by case > basis. > Mordy says that Paul Smock will field issues of eligibility. > plan on being there. > btw, did you get a call from John W? > > > > -----Original Message----- > rom: Jason Ostrowski > o: fot at autox.team.net > ent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:44 am > ubject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > astner Cupers, > > OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA > or > not. > My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own > sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. > I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some > track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. > > Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed > 1972 > specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year > racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to > race > in any group. How will this all pan out? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car > starting > in1971) > Brookfield IL > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/smockracer at charter.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 08:55:38 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:55:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: References: <70C9067DDE9649C1B77D215575394827@Pendys> Message-ID: This discussion in interesting but wholly premature. When the idea of hosting the Cup next year was raised in June with HMSA this issue was discussed. The preliminary understanding is that you must comply with your home sanctioning body's rules (not HMSA). To do otherwise would preclude the participation of cars from across the country which is the intent. This isn't an application event. There will be a registration for which you will make clear you are a Cup participant. On Nov 9, 2010 7:46 AM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: > Gee, why not? Why not have V8's and six speeds? Where should that line be > drawn? Most folks would like it to be drawn right behind them. > > I empathize, I have a TR3 rotting in my basement that I spent a small fortune > on before I realized that sanctioning bodies have rules. But they do. Some > bend more than others. HMSA is a for-profit company, and they're interested in > lots of entries, but they stand pretty solid on period-correct modifications. > If you can show a crank-fired ignition and flares in a relevant GCR then > you're in. > > That said, this isn't the Monterey Historics, and there will probably be > latitude. You need to find out what they will accept in a car being towed a > long way. The way it usually works is that if your'e a local, they're pretty > strict. You have only a few races to get your car in conformance before it's > banned. A one-time visitor often just has the non-conforming bits noted. Your > mileage may vary. Fill out the car description in MINUTE detail and see if > they accept your entry. > > On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:00 PM, Mark Pendergrass wrote: > >> Well Listers, here we go, what constitutes a legitimate entrant ?? You > talking me or my morfidite car? So the HMSA says they prefer,or better > yet,require that the car be a true racer and restored to boot, well I guess > I'm a little confused here. This old hotrod TR4 that i have was raced on the > east coast most of it life, has log books.......yes books,( plural). Yeah it's > not stock, it's a race car, it's what my 3 children chose to buy their dad as > a gift. It's probably got more stories than most. Does it blow the doors off > the competetion because it's SOOOO modified? not hardly. Do the flares, bigger > tires, alternator, crank fire etc; make it less of a true race car?? I don't > think so. You know, people pay good monies to take-in the 'ol cars wheather > they be stock, modified or whatever, It's time that some people and or > sanctioning bodies start thinking outside the box. And no, i'm not saying to > let V8s 6spds and dana 60s run amuk. So if i've offended some people...oh > well, am i enterested in the LS Kastner Cup ?? Absolutely, sounds like a hoot > and would like to meet some of the FOT family, so if you folks don't mind the > car or my charming attitude, then count me > in............signed........Legitimate Entrant >> >> >> Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 >> >> >>> FOT: >>> >>> Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to > run >>> Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. >>> >>> NAME CAR STATE >>> >>> Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week > of >>> the 15th of November. >>> >>> Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we >>> have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of >>> budget constraints. >>> >>> Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. >>> >>> Joe A >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Nov 16 23:05:38 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:05:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <5d11.851cd03.3a12bbdf@aol.com> References: <5d11.851cd03.3a12bbdf@aol.com> Message-ID: <399B8352-7A11-47A2-8868-8D4547F075E9@bnj.com> I've seen the other side of this, showing up at a race after a 2000 mile tow and finding 70's cars on slicks and the admonishment "all tape repairs from the previous event have to be permanently repaired before the next event." Not what I had in mind. I'm game for any kind of racing, but when someone calls it vintage racing then there needs to be some effort at presentation. That said, I expect these guys to be very reasonable. Those of you that know me realize I'm a bit on the grubby side. Peyote has always been rough, it's only since Tony Garmey has been working on it that anyone could call it gussied up. HMSA always took it happily. There are rough cars running at Monterey, rough cars at Coronado. And very pretty ones. Honestly, there seems to be a lot of skivvies getting knotted way, way in advance of getting any real bad news. On Nov 15, 2010, at 8:37 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/15/2010 9:38:05 AM Central Standard Time, > gasket.works at verizon.net writes: > > >> There have been some comments that some cars need some cleaning up. MINE >> >> INCLUDED!~!~!~ can you imagine? Paul Smock has been designated as our >> Laguna Seca "Kas Cup" arbitrator with >> HMSA regarding these issues. >> > Amici... > > I think this is a good thing. PRESENTATION is important in vintage racing, > Vintage race cars ought to look good. Effort and funding ought to be > expended towards that end. I can remember back in the late 1970s and early > 1980s when vintage racing was first taking off the 'caveat' from the sanctioning > bodies was, "We don't want a bunch of rusty TR3s!" That used to hurt my > feelings, even though my car was prepared and presented properly and certainly > not rusty. But TRIUMPH often has this 'bottom of the sports car barrel' > reputation. We're too common by some standards. TRIUMPH has earned its place > in sports car racing, and it is far from the bottom of the barrel. Vintage > TRIUMPH racers help polish our reputation by racing cars that look as good > as they run. > > Since TRIUMPH will be a featured marque at these events, I'll be surprised > if the sanctioning bodies don't look the other way at preparation levels > which might be over and above their own regulations (providing the car is > accepted in another venue). But I give them credit if they seek 'good looking' > race cars. I think that is in everyone's best interests. > > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Nov 17 12:29:45 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:29:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3B17CBE057434035A94907926125F4C9@TOSHIBALAPTOP> After having similar experiences to Mike's a couple of years ago (and replacing several oil coolers) I decided to add a second oil filter. I run a remote Fram HP1 between the oil pump and cooler. I've added a -8 System 1 filter between the cooler and the engine. This is a filter that can be disassembled, checked and cleaned. I initially checked it after every session. Once I was assured nothing bad was going into the engine, I reduced the frequency of inspection. Belt and suspenders, but engines are darned expensive. http://www.system1filters.com/ Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:44 PM To: 'Tony Drews'; 'Mike Mehl'; 'Triumph Friends of' Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Has anybody ever put a remote oil filter between the engine and the input of the oil cooler to prevent klag from getting into the cooler? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:09 PM To: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean >them after blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new >one. I built new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Nov 17 15:23:44 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Proper race fuel Message-ID: <326444788.11037.1290032624439.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT I'm just looking for some input on race fuel. My compression ratio is 12.5:1 and I live at 5200' ( Denver ). I generally run 108 octane at about 75% race gas to 25% pump gas. Sometimes straight 108. Now I'm wondering if even 108 isB enough octaneB for 12.5:1 Just wondering what everybody else is doing. Thanks as always, Jim Gray From SpiwakD at aol.com Wed Nov 17 15:44:55 2010 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:44:55 EST Subject: [Fot] Latest sealant for head gasket? Message-ID: <1308bd.42a9f432.3a15b4e7@aol.com> What is the latest popular sealant for a steel head gasket. Is anyone still using the copper wire in the grooves? From SpiwakD at aol.com Wed Nov 17 15:46:42 2010 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:46:42 EST Subject: [Fot] Graphite exhaust gaskets Message-ID: <130a7f.7bb3bf8f.3a15b552@aol.com> Who sells the solid graphite exhaust gaskets? I used a set and they worked very well until disassembly. From wgrosenbach at juno.com Wed Nov 17 16:50:11 2010 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (wgrosenbach at juno.com) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:50:11 GMT Subject: [Fot] Proper race fuel Message-ID: <20101117.165011.7523.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Jim,I talked with Unocal, back when their 110 was at the CO-OP, for use in the GT-6.They told me; in bores <4 inches @ 12:1, I could dilute 110 w/Pb free premium 1:10 and have no issues. That seemed like a high dilution to me, but he assured me several times.He told me Octane requirements at a given CR rise sharply as bore goes beyond 4".Walt & Chip Hane @ UTS, in Evergreen can find exactly what you need. Too much costs power.Clive runs 1:1.BillNow Triumph-less ---------- Original Message ---------- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Subject: [Fot] Proper race fuel Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:23:44 +0000 (UTC) FoT I'm just looking for some input on race fuel. My compression ratio is 12.5:1 and I live at 5200' ( Denver ). I generally run 108 octane at about 75% race gas to 25% pump gas. Sometimes straight 108. Now I'm wondering if even 108 isB enough octaneB for 12.5:1 Just wondering what everybody else is doing. Thanks as always, Jim Gray _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wgrosenbach at juno.com ____________________________________________________________ Become Six Sigma Certified Villanova Six Sigma Certification 100% Online Program - Free Info. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ce46a51bdcd92cfd99st05vuc From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed Nov 17 18:13:45 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:13:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Graphite exhaust gaskets In-Reply-To: <130a7f.7bb3bf8f.3a15b552@aol.com> References: <130a7f.7bb3bf8f.3a15b552@aol.com> Message-ID: <82118767-5B17-4CBE-BB91-EF576A0C2A7A@earthlink.net> I got a graphite exhaust manifold set and It broke effortlessly during installation. These work GREAT on my TR3 and can be used over and over again. http://www.cambridgemotorsport.com/Inlet--Exhaust-Manifold-Gasket---High-Port-Head ~Steve On Nov 17, 2010, at 2:46 PM, SpiwakD at aol.com wrote: Who sells the solid graphite exhaust gaskets? I used a set and they worked very well until disassembly. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From triumphs at consolidated.net Wed Nov 17 18:56:55 2010 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home PC) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:56:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Graphite exhaust gaskets References: <130a7f.7bb3bf8f.3a15b552@aol.com> Message-ID: <132ED9C8101647259645810102EFF91F@0817C93C637E473> Remflex, part #RF20-001 http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/rf20-001.htm Ken Gano ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 4:46 PM Subject: [Fot] Graphite exhaust gaskets > Who sells the solid graphite exhaust gaskets? I used a set and they worked > very well until disassembly. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3261 - Release Date: 11/16/10 From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Nov 17 20:21:49 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 03:21:49 GMT Subject: [Fot] Latest sealant for head gasket? Message-ID: <20101117.222149.8643.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Dave, I am still using copper wire in the grooves and Yamabond # 5 as the sealant. Takes a lot of time to get it set up right. I will look closer at the Cometic multi-layer head gasket next time I need one. It is a great gasket, but does not have the relief for the intake valves, so it may not work. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: SpiwakD at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Latest sealant for head gasket? Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:44:55 EST What is the latest popular sealant for a steel head gasket. Is anyone still using the copper wire in the grooves? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Globe Life Insurance $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4ce49be0665df27d842st03duc From gasket.works at verizon.net Wed Nov 17 20:41:57 2010 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:41:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Latest sealant for head gasket? References: <20101117.222149.8643.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <000501cb86d2$8d0face0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> ThreeBond is the company that makes "yammabond" / or "Hondabond" products. The product that works well is their # 1194. The deal with this product is that you have to put it on sparingly but, completely. Have to work pretty fast to prevent the material from glossing too soon. I have used this (among others) with great success. For motors that are harder to seal this product is about as good as you'll find for the price. It is very forgiving. You can find this product online easily. Cost is minimal. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 GMT -8 Pacific From dkettler1 at charter.net Wed Nov 17 21:15:59 2010 From: dkettler1 at charter.net (David Kettler) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:15:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <003501cb84c9$89fbe1f0$9df3a5d0$@com> Message-ID: Sounds like Steve Johnson. FYI, I saw him at the Runoffs this year. He was crewing for the S2 race winner. Was hard to recognize him with a conservative hairstyle. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clark W. Nicholls" To: "'Joe Curry'" ; "'Kas Kastner'" ; "'Bill Babcock'" ; "'Mike Mehl'" Cc: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > Reminds me of the 1979 SCCA Runoffs at Road Atlanta. Steve Johnson showed > up > on the FP race grid in his Spitfire with all the gauges covered with duct > tape. He went on to win the race and the championship. I seem to remember > his engine was put together from a collection of parts from several > engines > that week. I don't remember if I took a photo or if the image is burned > into > my memory! His victory lap photo was used in a British Leyland magazine > advertisement. Last I knew Steve is retired in the Caribbean somewhere. > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new > owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > > > -----Original Message----- > > Kas, > I guess in this case, "Ignorance really is BLISS"! :) > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > > I've said before, oil at 225 makes more power by far than at 180 or so. > When > > in the old days and my TR-3 in about 5-7 laps the oil got to 300 and as we > were not allowed to have oil coolers, I did the next best thing, I took > out > the gauge. Never made a bit of difference in longevity, and gave me > peace > of mind. > Kas > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dkettler1 at charter.net From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Nov 17 23:47:44 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:47:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Graphite exhaust gaskets In-Reply-To: <130a7f.7bb3bf8f.3a15b552@aol.com> References: <130a7f.7bb3bf8f.3a15b552@aol.com> Message-ID: <20101118064709.115DB18765D@autox.team.net> Used to be Uncle Jack, now is me. $70 / set plus $10 for shipping. I just ordered 5 more sets, should have them in a day or two. You can either paypal me at tony at tonydrews.com or send a check to Tony Drews 5208 11th Avenue A Moline, IL 61265 I prefer the check because it avoids the paypal surcharge. Thanks, Tony Drews At 04:46 PM 11/17/2010, SpiwakD at aol.com wrote: >Who sells the solid graphite exhaust gaskets? I used a set and they worked >very well until disassembly. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Nov 18 01:16:18 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:16:18 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Latest sealant for head gasket? In-Reply-To: <1308bd.42a9f432.3a15b4e7@aol.com> References: <1308bd.42a9f432.3a15b4e7@aol.com> Message-ID: <002c01cb86f8$e2e12b50$a8a381f0$@com> Last time I've installed a steel gasket I put it on dry and it did well. For the future I won't use any sealant for steel gaskets. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von SpiwakD at aol.com Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. November 2010 23:45 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Latest sealant for head gasket? What is the latest popular sealant for a steel head gasket. Is anyone still using the copper wire in the grooves? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From cwnfot at gmail.com Thu Nov 18 06:28:18 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:28:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <003501cb84c9$89fbe1f0$9df3a5d0$@com> Message-ID: <019b01cb8724$78d24650$6a76d2f0$@com> Steve was a fantastic S2000 driver/builder also after leaving the Spitfire behind. He had his own model S2000, SR1 or something like that. It seemed to be better that the rest, especially with Steve at the wheel. He got airborne driving S2000 at Lime Rock on the front straight, twice I think. Ended upsidedown. We kidded him about his airshows (some big weekends used to have skydivers and acrobatics from the Rhinebeck Aerodrome nearby). He also coached customer drivers. Last I saw him was at Mid Ohio Runoffs in 94 coaching a female customer, I think a FA driver's fianci. I think he now drives in Grand Am or ALMS? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." Date: 11/17/10 14:34:00 From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Nov 18 17:50:13 2010 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Sonoma Historics Preliminary Schedule Message-ID: <1645656393.1532050.1290127813419.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello: Further to the discussion about the HMSA/FOT event at Laguna Seca next June, I just received this information regarding the preliminary schedule for the event in case any of you are planning on entering both the Sonoma Historics and the FOT event. Gary Wed. June 1st..Paddock set up..Registration and tech Thur. June 2nd..Registreation & tech..Practice 12-6pm Fri...June 3rd..Qualifying..All Groups Sat. June 4th Practice & Race for A Groups Sun June 5th Practice and Race for B Groups.. NOTE...Entry request is due by >>>December 1st<<< in an effort to accommodate transportation and air travel plans for those who will be traveling from far away.. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 18 17:58:29 2010 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:58:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Latest sealant for head gasket? In-Reply-To: <000501cb86d2$8d0face0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> References: <20101117.222149.8643.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> <000501cb86d2$8d0face0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: <994545.73976.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I use the ThreeBond liquid gasket 1194 with most of the gaskets on the TR - have never tried it on a head gasket though. I buy the 1194 on Ebay - noticed that my last tube of the stuff was made in Thailand - must be closer to the rubber tree. Dennis ThreeBond is the company that makes "yammabond" / or "Hondabond" products. The product that works well is their # 1194. The deal with this product is that you have to put it on sparingly but, completely. Have to work pretty fast to prevent the material from glossing too soon. I have used this (among others) with great success. For motors that are harder to seal this product is about as good as you'll find for the price. It is very forgiving. You can find this product online easily. Cost is minimal. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 GMT -8 Pacific _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Nov 19 13:38:16 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:38:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Message-ID: <8609366C-84DF-4CF6-A847-9568887F6FF8@earthlink.net> Hello all, I'm going to be placing a order for some german Mahle brand piston/ ring/liner sets for TR3/4 [87mm]. There is a 90 day lead time from order to shipping so if I order now, they should arrive mid February. Price is 628.56 [set of 4] plus about $40 shipping. I'm not marking them up or getting any quantity discount - just thought I'd pass along a top quality and hard to find part. If interested, let me know asap. I'm hoping to order by monday or tuesday. And for what its worth, the last time I ordered they did arrive as promised - maybe even a bit ahead of schedule. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Nov 19 13:43:48 2010 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:43:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets In-Reply-To: <8609366C-84DF-4CF6-A847-9568887F6FF8@earthlink.net> References: <8609366C-84DF-4CF6-A847-9568887F6FF8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I used them once and I remember my machinist commenting how much heavier they were than the Hepolites that I had been using. He trimmed the heavy base of the pistons to look more like the Hepolites and took as much other weight out as he could. I still have 3 of them. The other one hit the cylinder head when I blew up at Mosport. Coincidence? Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the keys to your success. ~Mac Anderson -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 2:38 PM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Hello all, I'm going to be placing a order for some german Mahle brand piston/ ring/liner sets for TR3/4 [87mm]. There is a 90 day lead time from order to shipping so if I order now, they should arrive mid February. Price is 628.56 [set of 4] plus about $40 shipping. I'm not marking them up or getting any quantity discount - just thought I'd pass along a top quality and hard to find part. If interested, let me know asap. I'm hoping to order by monday or tuesday. And for what its worth, the last time I ordered they did arrive as promised - maybe even a bit ahead of schedule. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From sm1ski at dslextreme.com Fri Nov 19 15:00:12 2010 From: sm1ski at dslextreme.com (sara kowalski) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:00:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] sara kowalski sent you a Coffee from Qualia Coffee Message-ID: <4ce6f36caf759_3091b64cfc88dc@paulyd.mail> sara kowalski Sent You a Coffee ($6 value). >From time to time our most valued users are rewarded by being allowed to send gifts to their friends. This time sara kowalski chose you! All you need to do is click the link below to receive your Coffee and notifications for other great deals in your area. http://homerun.com/email_gift/b61367b9?_e=117981e9 Enjoy! The HomeRun Team If you prefer not to get promotional email from HomeRun, visit http://homerun.com/unsubscribe?_e=117981e9 Brought to you by HomeRun, 2347 Bay St., San Francisco, CA, 94123, USA From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Nov 19 17:05:18 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:05:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] nomination Message-ID: <885C4514D89E41EEA043F93985C88248@latitudefb1e41> I'd like to nominate Duncan Charlton to the FoT list. Duncan is a member of the Hill Country Triumph Club and has a collection of cars including a Morgan 3 wheeler. He just bought a Triumph powered Morgan race car and he'll start paddocking with the TxFOT folks next spring. duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi From kaskas at cox.net Tue Nov 9 16:57:41 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:57:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: References: <70C9067DDE9649C1B77D215575394827@Pendys> Message-ID: <49F4B2E8DC164445A678DC8DCCBD0415@KasPC> It was wonderful that Sam Halkias was willing to come out to Watkins Glen and Topeka and run his car for a show of how they can really go, but he knew before he left home that he was not in the running for the cup. This is an example of someone who is looking after the marquee and enjoys being with folks that are of the same frame of mind. Regretfully, I cannot see that present SCCA cars can be accepted as a run for the cup as their make up is totally upgraded from the original racing configuration of the ancient times (1953 - 1972). I belonged to the SCCA for years and years and sponsored lots of parties and events, do you suppose if I joined again they'd upgrade me? :-) I could always use the help. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Kramer" Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 3:37 PM To: "Mark Pendergrass" ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 > Mark, > > I for one hope they let current spec cars participate. Every vintage race > organization has its rules for regular participants and its own level of > tolerance for special runs groups. In the past the FoT has done a good job > of twisting the arms of event organizers and we have even been allowed to > have current spec SCCA cars run as an exception in a few cases. At some > point in the near future this issue will be clarified for this event. Most > of us love to have the modern Triumphs show up and run with us, but other > than the Brit's coming to Mid Ohio, there has been a lot more talking > about modern Triumphs coming than actual cars in attendance. Sam brought > his TR6 last year and to the Glen two years ago and it was a treat. > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Pendergrass" > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 1:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 > > >> Well Listers, here we go, what constitutes a legitimate entrant ?? You >> talking me or my morfidite car? So the HMSA says they prefer,or better >> yet,require that the car be a true racer and restored to boot, well I >> guess I'm a little confused here. This old hotrod TR4 that i have was >> raced on the east coast most of it life, has log books.......yes >> books,( plural). Yeah it's not stock, it's a race car, it's what my 3 >> children chose to buy their dad as a gift. It's probably got more stories >> than most. Does it blow the doors off the competetion because it's SOOOO >> modified? not hardly. Do the flares, bigger tires, alternator, crank fire >> etc; make it less of a true race car?? I don't think so. You know, people >> pay good monies to take-in the 'ol cars wheather they be stock, modified >> or whatever, It's time that some people and or sanctioning bodies start >> thinking outside the box. And no, i'm not saying to let V8s 6spds and >> dana 60s run amuk. So if i've offended some people...oh well, am i >> enterested in the LS Kastner Cup ?? Absolutely, sounds like a hoot and >> would like to meet some of the FOT family, so if you folks don't mind >> the car or my charming attitude, then count me >> in............signed........Legitimate Entrant >> >> >> Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 >> >> >>> FOT: >>> >>> Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to >>> run >>> Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. >>> >>> NAME CAR STATE >>> >>> Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week >>> of >>> the 15th of November. >>> >>> Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more >>> we >>> have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period >>> of >>> budget constraints. >>> >>> Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. >>> >>> Joe A >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From mark at bradakis.com Fri Nov 19 19:00:03 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 19:00:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] sara kowalski sent you a Coffee from Qualia Coffee In-Reply-To: <4ce6f36caf759_3091b64cfc88dc@paulyd.mail> References: <4ce6f36caf759_3091b64cfc88dc@paulyd.mail> Message-ID: <4CE72BA3.8040402@bradakis.com> Shucks. Spam from a hijacked account that is different than the ones I have been trying to filter out. The bad guys always seem to be a step ahead of hapless admins like me. Sigh. mjb. From billdentin at aol.com Fri Nov 19 19:12:20 2010 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 21:12:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: <49F4B2E8DC164445A678DC8DCCBD0415@KasPC> References: <70C9067DDE9649C1B77D215575394827@Pendys> <49F4B2E8DC164445A678DC8DCCBD0415@KasPC> Message-ID: <8CD566F7F5988EC-1284-D647@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> <<< It was wonderful that Sam Halkias was willing to come out to Watkins Glen and Topeka and run his car for a show of how they can really go, but he knew before he left home that he was not in the running for the cup. This is an example of someone who is looking after the marquee and enjoys being with folks that are of the same frame of mind. Regretfully, I cannot see that present SCCA cars can be accepted as a run for the cup as their make up is totally upgraded from the original racing configuration of the ancient times (1953 - 1972). I belonged to the SCCA for years and years and sponsored lots of parties and events, do you suppose if I joined again they'd upgrade me? :-) I could always use the help. >>> Sir... There's no way we can 'up grade' you. Once you're on the Top Shelf you can't go any higher. Bill Dentinger From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 19 20:37:15 2010 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 19:37:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <885C4514D89E41EEA043F93985C88248@latitudefb1e41> References: <885C4514D89E41EEA043F93985C88248@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <980379.38583.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Triumph Power! - I'll second that. Dennis I'd like to nominate Duncan Charlton to the FoT list. Duncan is a member of the Hill Country Triumph Club and has a collection of cars including a Morgan 3 wheeler. He just bought a Triumph powered Morgan race car and he'll start paddocking with the TxFOT folks next spring. duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Fri Nov 19 23:14:42 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 22:14:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets References: <8609366C-84DF-4CF6-A847-9568887F6FF8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0918CE2885A243D4911EA333FAC77828@your89d26e0447> The Mahle pistons have steel struts cast into the piston skirts to control skirt size and expansion when hot. That allows them to be run with tighter skirt to cylinder wall clearances. They are great for street use and up to about 5500 rpm. Because of the added weight compared to the AE Hepolite pistons (or forged racing pistons) we never considered them really suitable for racing or high rpm use. Greg Solow From kaskas at cox.net Sat Nov 20 10:11:53 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 09:11:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets In-Reply-To: <0918CE2885A243D4911EA333FAC77828@your89d26e0447> References: <8609366C-84DF-4CF6-A847-9568887F6FF8@earthlink.net> <0918CE2885A243D4911EA333FAC77828@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: Good information Greg. I remember weighing a set of these Mahle pistons years ago and could not believe how heavy they were. Never used them. Hepolites were my fittings. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Solow" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:14 PM To: "Kramer, Robert" ; "Greg "Lunker"Hilyer" ; "FoT Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets > The Mahle pistons have steel struts cast into the piston skirts to control > skirt size and expansion when hot. That allows them to be run with tighter > skirt to cylinder wall clearances. They are great for street use and up to > about 5500 rpm. Because of the added weight compared to the AE Hepolite > pistons (or forged racing pistons) we never considered them really > suitable for racing or high rpm use. > > Greg Solow > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From triosan at gmail.com Sat Nov 20 15:19:00 2010 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 14:19:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Some Goodwood Revival pictures Message-ID: Finally am getting around to posting a few pictures form Goodwood Revival. Three are of a 1964 TR4 "SLR ". This group was small bore endoro cars that often had extensive rebody work done. In the case of this car, it was a total rebody. Friend of the TR250K I guess. It did race in the early 60's in England. Driven by owner Tony Griffen. He was running 10th when he dropped out on lap 6. The car that won was the ugliest sports car I have ever seen. A rebodied Mini called a "Mini Dart". It is the leftmost car behind the one with the lips in the group shot. Goodwood was fantastic. Great costumes. I did the best I coulddressing, but really did not have the duds. IF you ever go, there are several vendor stands selling vintage close. IF you wear a white mechanics outfit you can easily get into the pits. They were out of my size by Sunday -- though I have bought one since. Will make a great flagger's outfit. Would need a real clean shop and car to wear one for actual mechanic work. Lots of the guys did have them on and many showed extreme oil leaks! Great car and motorcycle racing. Very spirited. There was one race for 60-64 Closed Cockpit GT cars that required a driver change. At one point the drivers included Jackie Oliver, David Hobbs, Brian Redman, and Bobby Rahal. None figured in the win which was a 1963 Ferrari 330 LMB driven by Bobby Verdon-Roe. My personal highlight was following Jackie Stewart through the tunnel and watching all the people coming the other way see and recognize him. Great guy as he shook anyone's hand that was offered. The photos are at: http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/TriumphsAtGoodwood# -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sat Nov 20 17:24:40 2010 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (T Thompson) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:24:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <885C4514D89E41EEA043F93985C88248@latitudefb1e41> References: <885C4514D89E41EEA043F93985C88248@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <296396.84876.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Not sure if my second counts, but if so, here it is. Anyone nominated by Bob has to be a real English motorhead, or in need of some free parts! Ty ________________________________ From: Bob Kramer To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 5:05:18 PM Subject: [Fot] nomination I'd like to nominate Duncan Charlton to the FoT list. Duncan is a member of the Hill Country Triumph Club and has a collection of cars including a Morgan 3 wheeler. He just bought a Triumph powered Morgan race car and he'll start paddocking with the TxFOT folks next spring. duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From igofaster at att.net Sat Nov 20 17:36:08 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:36:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <885C4514D89E41EEA043F93985C88248@latitudefb1e41> References: <885C4514D89E41EEA043F93985C88248@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <156732.83041.qm@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I'm 2nd or 3rd recommendation for Duncan on F.o.T. and another TX.F.o.T. member Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bob Kramer To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 6:05:18 PM Subject: [Fot] nomination I'd like to nominate Duncan Charlton to the FoT list. Duncan is a member of the Hill Country Triumph Club and has a collection of cars including a Morgan 3 wheeler. He just bought a Triumph powered Morgan race car and he'll start paddocking with the TxFOT folks next spring. duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From PegAndBobM at aol.com Sun Nov 21 06:43:04 2010 From: PegAndBobM at aol.com (PegAndBobM at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 08:43:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Some Goodwood Revival pictures Message-ID: DART=-Dizzy Addicott Racing Team which was sold by Dizzy, and I believe eventually evolved with some connection to the Marcos automobile. Item of interest...I have a Elva Mk VI driven by Dizzy to a second place finish at the Brands Hatch Boxing Day Derby. John Arnold, another member of RMVR knew Dizzy and told me he was a club racer best known for a Lotus 19(?) into which he had stuffed a large Buick V8 . In a message dated 11/20/2010 03:39:10 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, triosan at gmail.com writes: Finally am getting around to posting a few pictures form Goodwood Revival. Three are of a 1964 TR4 "SLR ". This group was small bore endoro cars that often had extensive rebody work done. In the case of this car, it was a total rebody. Friend of the TR250K I guess. It did race in the early 60's in England. Driven by owner Tony Griffen. He was running 10th when he dropped out on lap 6. The car that won was the ugliest sports car I have ever seen. A rebodied Mini called a "Mini Dart". It is the leftmost car behind the one with the lips in the group shot. Goodwood was fantastic. Great costumes. I did the best I coulddressing, but really did not have the duds. IF you ever go, there are several vendor stands selling vintage close. IF you wear a white mechanics outfit you can easily get into the pits. They were out of my size by Sunday -- though I have bought one since. Will make a great flagger's outfit. Would need a real clean shop and car to wear one for actual mechanic work. Lots of the guys did have them on and many showed extreme oil leaks! Great car and motorcycle racing. Very spirited. There was one race for 60-64 Closed Cockpit GT cars that required a driver change. At one point the drivers included Jackie Oliver, David Hobbs, Brian Redman, and Bobby Rahal. None figured in the win which was a 1963 Ferrari 330 LMB driven by Bobby Verdon-Roe. My personal highlight was following Jackie Stewart through the tunnel and watching all the people coming the other way see and recognize him. Great guy as he shook anyone's hand that was offered. The photos are at: http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/TriumphsAtGoodwood# -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pegandbobm at aol.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sun Nov 21 07:27:18 2010 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 08:27:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Some Goodwood Revival pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah, now I can see everybody! Thanks for the nomination, Bob, and the seconds/thirds, etc. from Bobby, Dennis, and Ty. There were four SLR cars built by Chris Laurence and John Sprinzel (SLR=Sprinzel Lawrence Racing). Three were built with a Morgan Plus 4 chassis (TR engined, of course) and one (apparently this one) used a TR chassis. Bill Fink's red SLR was seen a few years ago on California tracks but I think all three Morgan SLRs are in Europe now. Duncan On Nov 21, 2010, at 7:43 AM, PegAndBobM at aol.com wrote: > Finally am getting around to posting a few pictures form Goodwood Revival. > Three are of a 1964 TR4 "SLR ". This group was small bore endoro cars > that > often had extensive rebody work done. In the case of this car, it was a > total rebody. Friend of the TR250K I guess. It did race in the early > 60's > in England. From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Nov 21 08:39:41 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:39:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Some Goodwood Revival pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD57A972BD7D46-1B7C-121F8@webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com> Super Dave Bondon's went to a Scandanavian country several years ago. Welcome aboard, Duncan. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Nov 21, 2010 8:27 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Some Goodwood Revival pictures Ah, now I can see everybody! Thanks for the nomination, Bob, and the seconds/thirds, etc. from Bobby, Dennis, and Ty. There were four SLR cars built by Chris Laurence and John Sprinzel (SLR=Sprinzel Lawrence Racing). Three were built with a Morgan Plus 4 chassis (TR engined, of course) and one (apparently this one) used a TR chassis. Bill Fink's red SLR was seen a few years ago on California tracks but I think all three Morgan SLRs are in Europe now. Duncan On Nov 21, 2010, at 7:43 AM, PegAndBobM at aol.com wrote: > Finally am getting around to posting a few pictures form Goodwood Revival. > Three are of a 1964 TR4 "SLR ". This group was small bore endoro cars > that > often had extensive rebody work done. In the case of this car, it was a > total rebody. Friend of the TR250K I guess. It did race in the early > 60's > in England. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 21 11:56:53 2010 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:56:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Alabama to wisconsin shipping help ... Message-ID: <23707.18214.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have just purchased a set of 4 wheels & tires in Helena Alabama (just south of Birmingham) is there anyone near that could pick them up or anyone traveling that way that might be able to transport? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From KENMUN at aol.com Sun Nov 21 12:45:58 2010 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 14:45:58 EST Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color Message-ID: i'm restoring a '56 tr3. the original color is gray. anyone know the name or better yet the paint code for this color? thanks, ken m. From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Nov 21 13:22:10 2010 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 15:22:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301cb89b9$c7264440$5572ccc0$@rr.com> That would be Birch Gray. This was a Dockers lacquer and their number was BF.5467. If you get in touch with any PPG paint supplier they can mix it by going to their library. Hope this helps. I have all the old color books going back to TR2. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of KENMUN at aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 2:46 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color i'm restoring a '56 tr3. the original color is gray. anyone know the name or better yet the paint code for this color? thanks, ken m. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From herald948 at aol.com Sun Nov 21 13:26:35 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 15:26:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD57D186905083-1684-22582@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Likely as not it's Silverstone Grey (actually called Silvertone, probably by mistake, on some paint charts). See: for the ACME chart ("Silvertone") or for a Martin-Senour chart or for a DuPont chart. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: KENMUN To: fot Sent: Sun, Nov 21, 2010 2:49 pm Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color i'm restoring a '56 tr3. the original color is gray. anyone know the name or better yet the paint code for this color? thanks, ken m. From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 21 14:58:56 2010 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 13:58:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] alabama transport help change .. Message-ID: <47928.46108.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have an offer to bring the wheels from Kentucky to me (Thank you Susan ;>))))) so if there would be tramsport from Ala to either Kentucky or Wi would also work ... Thanks in advance.... Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From tr5racer at btinternet.com Sun Nov 21 15:01:25 2010 From: tr5racer at btinternet.com (JOSEPH HUGHES) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 22:01:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] Triumph/Morgan SLR Message-ID: <159017.70874.qm@web87107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> One of the Morgan SLR's was for sale recently for 275,000GBP! It was the most successful of the 4 cars having beat the works Porsche 904's t the Nurburgring in 1966. Another was repatriated last year form the USA and has been restored and is competing again in selected races in the UK. The Triumph SLR was valued recently at 168,000GBP! From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Nov 21 16:08:52 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 18:08:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph/Morgan SLR now TRS INVITATION In-Reply-To: <159017.70874.qm@web87107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <159017.70874.qm@web87107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CD57E832FED7EE-1CEC-1838A@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> There has been a short, very short, discussion on inviting the TRS to the 60th Anniversary. Any contact info would appreciated. (I had the first discussion with TRF about theirs) This is their suggestion. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: JOSEPH HUGHES To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sun, Nov 21, 2010 4:01 pm Subject: [Fot] Triumph/Morgan SLR One of the Morgan SLR's was for sale recently for 275,000GBP! It was the most successful of the 4 cars having beat the works Porsche 904's t the Nurburgring in 1966. Another was repatriated last year form the USA and has been restored and is competing again in selected races in the UK. The Triumph SLR was valued recently at 168,000GBP! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From herald948 at aol.com Sun Nov 21 16:34:16 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 18:34:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color In-Reply-To: <8CD57D186905083-1684-22582@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD57D186905083-1684-22582@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD57EBBEC60643-1684-250CE@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Oops! It appears I misread the original message; Silverstone Grey is rather later than 1956. Other possibilites for names of the grey used in '56 might include "Pearl Grey" (according to Piggott) or "Silver Grey" (according to the ACME paint chart). --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Mon Nov 22 01:28:31 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 00:28:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood revival 7 the SLR Triumph Message-ID: <73E93AE666284828B5EB65CE1E75CF90@your89d26e0447> SLR stands for Sprinzel-Lawrence Racing. There were 4 SLRs built, three were on Morgan chassis and one was on a TR-4 chassis. I was at the Goodwood Tourist Trophy meeting and 1964 and saw one of the two of the SLRs compete in the GT car race. Unfortunately, the TR chassis car only lasted a couple of laps and the Morgan chassis car slightly longer, both dropped out with engine failures, if I remember correctly. Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From ac at camoletti.ch Mon Nov 22 03:57:24 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:57:24 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets In-Reply-To: References: <8609366C-84DF-4CF6-A847-9568887F6FF8@earthlink.net> <0918CE2885A243D4911EA333FAC77828@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: <001101cb8a34$0ca762e0$25f628a0$@camoletti.ch> Just checked Mahle pistons sitting on the bench, these are 86mm+ .040'' and they weight 676 (1) and 680 grams (3). What is the weight of the stock pistons, and the weight of the Hepolite, or from other reputable brands? Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Kas Kastner Envoyi : samedi 20 novembre 2010 18:12 @ : Greg Solow; Kramer, Robert; Greg "Lunker"Hilyer; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Good information Greg. I remember weighing a set of these Mahle pistons years ago and could not believe how heavy they were. Never used them. Hepolites were my fittings. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Solow" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:14 PM To: "Kramer, Robert" ; "Greg "Lunker"Hilyer" ; "FoT Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets > The Mahle pistons have steel struts cast into the piston skirts to > control skirt size and expansion when hot. That allows them to be run > with tighter skirt to cylinder wall clearances. They are great for > street use and up to about 5500 rpm. Because of the added weight > compared to the AE Hepolite pistons (or forged racing pistons) we > never considered them really suitable for racing or high rpm use. > > Greg Solow > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From ac at camoletti.ch Mon Nov 22 06:52:16 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:52:16 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR3A Cylinder head, looking for a good one Message-ID: <001101cb8a4c$7978f970$6c6aec50$@camoletti.ch> Amici ! Discovered this week end in the shop while finally attending in view of porting my cyl head that it had been previously fitted with hardened exhaust seat inserts, and that running from below the insert on N04, a = long hairline crack developed down the port (on the side of the inlet valve). I found a little bit of humidity in this cylinder when dismantling, but thought it was a head gasket problem as liner decks were not correct. So water came from that crack. I never heard about welding these places in a cylinder head. So would anyone have a good TR3A cyl head for sale ? The car being concours it should be the correct TR3A head. Cast number is 302 137. If I really cannot find a correct head, then I will look for a later head, which presumably is more readily available. If the head is milled and /or somewhat flown is not a problem, as the engine is being built to very fast road specs. Thank you Amici! Cheers! Alex From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Nov 22 16:55:08 2010 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:55:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] newbie intro In-Reply-To: <3B942D12-D284-4D49-A07C-1BB4D5FF3756@gmail.com> References: <3B942D12-D284-4D49-A07C-1BB4D5FF3756@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Time to introduce myself. My name is Duncan Charlton and I live in central Texas. I asked to join the list because we're buying a TR-engined vintage Morgan racer in early December and it's been a long time since I did any serious work on a TR engine. > > I have owned four Triumphs -- a Mk II Spitfire, a 1960 TR3, a 1957 TR3, and a 1956 TR3 which I restored in the mid-1980s. TS-9848-L-0 was one of the few TR3s with 4-wheel drum brakes -- you had to be careful backing up due to the lack of servo action from the brake shoe geometry when moving in that direction. There were a few other British cars in there during those years -- a couple of Mk II Jag sedans and a 1966 Mini Cooper S. > > At some point I got tired of working on rusty cars so I got involved in flying, eventually building two of my own aircraft, first a wood and fabric 2-stroke powered ultralight and then a high-wing 2-seat Experimental category design. I came to find that my family and friends were not really interested in flying, and I eventually got bored with flying alone most of the time, so I got re-involved with English sports cars about ten years ago. > > After a short affair with a Sunbeam Tiger I bought a Morgan 4/4 with a 1600 crossflow Ford engine (a.k.a. the Formula Ford engine). It was a lightweight car (1330 lbs due to the aluminum body panels) and I was collecting performance parts for it when a one-owner 1971 Morgan Plus 8 came along to scratch my itch for more power. We also acquired a very nicely restored 1936 Morgan Super Sports 3-wheeler at about that time. > I started giving thought to vintage racing about six years ago. My son and I attended the Skip Barber 3 day course at Laguna Seca (don't you hate it when you find out that your kid is better at something than you are?) and I started attending vintage races -- Road America, Coronado Island, Goodwood, College Station... > To the present -- I was chatting with a friend in SC a few weeks ago and he casually mentioned that he was selling his 1952 Morgan racer. He had freshened up the car in 2009 after it had sat unused for 13 years because he wanted to participate in the Morgan centennial celebrations. He did well with it in a few races, but now he had decided that his racing days are done. Looks like I was in the right place at the right time. > Some of the car's history can be guessed at. It was delivered with a Standard Vanguard engine, but it may not have been raced initially. It could have raced in D/P, but Morgans were not very successful there. When Morgans got the TR2 engine in 1954 and raced in E/P, the cars started winning. I can't yet be sure of this car's race beginnings (the frame was destroyed in a race accident and I'm still searching the car's chassis number, which the owner thinks he has among its records) but an acquaintance says he saw it parked after the wreck around 1960 or so, having run off the course at an airport race in Spartanburg, SC and hit a concrete abutment (if it was an SCCA race I can find no record of it). I am told the driver's name was Jeff Harrell, but SCCA records show a person by that name raced an MGA in 1963. I would like to find Jeff -- anybody ever heard of him? > The car sat in this wrecked condition until the current owner began to rebuild it in the early 1990s with parts he'd collected over the previous decade. As his mechanic removed paint from the body panels, the letters "E/P" was clearly visible, so clearly it had been an SCCA racer sometime before it was wrecked. The original racing engine was long gone so a supercharged TR engine was installed and it was campaigned on the east coast and in the northeast from 1991 through 1993. It is no longer supercharged but is reportedly sorted out and ready to run. > > Perhaps I'll meet more of you in February at the CVAR driver school/races at TWS. A picture of the car is here: http://tinyurl.com/2ece3c4 From wredinger at oppd.com Tue Nov 23 09:12:48 2010 From: wredinger at oppd.com (REDINGER, WILLIAM E) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:12:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color In-Reply-To: <8CD57D186905083-1684-22582@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> References: , <8CD57D186905083-1684-22582@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: The best and very close color match for Silverstone Gray is a Ford Thunderbird color in 1978.sorry I do not remeber the color name and do not have it with me now, but it is the only grey that is close. Bill Smith has an original Silverstone grey 1958 TR3A, and this color could be used for spot panels. Best of luck Bill Redinger ________________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Mace [herald948 at aol.com] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 2:26 PM To: KENMUN at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 paint color Likely as not it's Silverstone Grey (actually called Silvertone, probably by mistake, on some paint charts). See: for the ACME chart ("Silvertone") or for a Martin-Senour chart or for a DuPont chart. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: KENMUN To: fot Sent: Sun, Nov 21, 2010 2:49 pm Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color i'm restoring a '56 tr3. the original color is gray. anyone know the name or better yet the paint code for this color? thanks, ken m. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wredinger at oppd.com This e-mail contains Omaha Public Power District's confidential and proprietary information and is for use only by the intended recipient. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, this e-mail is not a contract offer, amendment, nor acceptance. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. From donmarshall at nefcom.net Tue Nov 23 14:18:01 2010 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (donmarshall at nefcom.net) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:18:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Giving Thanks for VDCA's Last Race of the Year Message-ID: <20101123211804.E34911C046B@smtp0.av-mx.com> As we prepare to join family and friends on this Thanksgiving Day, we should remember our friends at VDCA. While we dine on white meat, mashed potatoes & gravy, and that wonderful pumpkin pie, they will be preparing for their Annual Season Finale at Roebling Road Raceway. Yes, even though the temperatures are dropping, and old St. Nick is tuning his sleigh, some of us are still prepping ("repairing" in old English) our race cars. This year's event will be held on December 10th through the 12th and Mike Jackson has guaranteed beautiful weather in Savannah. So, go to their website, print the entry form and mail it in with your check. Load the spare parts and bring plenty of race gas and oil. You'll need it for all of the track time you will have. And, if that isn't enough, as a special bonus you will be invited to join Friday evening's festivities at the Triumph Ghetto! The Friday party promises to be memorable - Leo Oddi will entertain us with his new Hula Dance - thankfully he dropped the belly dancing lessons. Dean Tetterton will explain to all of us the REAL reason he didn't come to the Hurricane event in September. Rob Deanes will debut his newest fishing stories, I will cook, as usual, and the rest of the Ghettoers will continue work on that day's idea on the Triumph Spec Racer!. So, mark the date and plan on being with us in Savannah. This is gonna be a BLAST! The Triumph Ghetto -- From andre at gt6.ca Tue Nov 23 18:55:17 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:55:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice... Message-ID: Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but recently has lost his left leg below the knee. Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. He does not want to give up his GT6. (Good man.) What can you recommend for an automatic conversion? I know about the T9, but not sure if they made an automatic. Thoughts. Tks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From herald948 at aol.com Tue Nov 23 19:04:40 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:04:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even one that I know of in a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a Triumph 2000 sedan, which actually might be more plentiful in Canada than in the US? In the case of the one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it involved some very major reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old Borg-Warner is an extremely bulky unit. Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays that can be made to fit.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Andre Rousseau To: fot Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm Subject: [Fot] Advice... Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but recently has lost his left leg below the knee. Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. From jaboruch at netzero.com Tue Nov 23 19:13:05 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 02:13:05 GMT Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Message-ID: <20101123.211305.11775.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> My custom made Diamond pistons are 87mm and weigh 469 grams, without pins or rings. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Alexandre Camoletti" To: "'Kas Kastner'" , "'Greg Solow'" , "'Kramer, Robert'" , "'Greg \"Lunker\"Hilyer'" , "'FoT Triumph'" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:57:24 +0100 Just checked Mahle pistons sitting on the bench, these are 86mm+ .040'' and they weight 676 (1) and 680 grams (3). What is the weight of the stock pistons, and the weight of the Hepolite, or from other reputable brands? Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Kas Kastner Envoyi : samedi 20 novembre 2010 18:12 @ : Greg Solow; Kramer, Robert; Greg "Lunker"Hilyer; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Good information Greg. I remember weighing a set of these Mahle pistons years ago and could not believe how heavy they were. Never used them. Hepolites were my fittings. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Solow" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:14 PM To: "Kramer, Robert" ; "Greg "Lunker"Hilyer" ; "FoT Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets > The Mahle pistons have steel struts cast into the piston skirts to > control skirt size and expansion when hot. That allows them to be run > with tighter skirt to cylinder wall clearances. They are great for > street use and up to about 5500 rpm. Because of the added weight > compared to the AE Hepolite pistons (or forged racing pistons) we > never considered them really suitable for racing or high rpm use. > > Greg Solow > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 From andre at gt6.ca Tue Nov 23 19:16:26 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:16:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I almost wonder if dropping in a whole new powerplant with attached tranny would be better, but not sure how much work that would entail. Miata? A. On 23 November 2010 21:04, Andrew Mace wrote: > This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even one that I know of in > a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a Triumph 2000 sedan, > which actually might be more plentiful in Canada than in the US? In the case > of the one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it involved some very major > reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old Borg-Warner is an > extremely bulky unit. > > Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays that can be made to > fit.... > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Rousseau > To: fot > Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm > Subject: [Fot] Advice... > > Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. > > > > > > I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but > > > recently has lost his left leg below the knee. > > > Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Nov 23 19:25:41 2010 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (PAUL MACDONALD) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:25:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <23892.23006.qm@web88103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> http://www.britishv8.org/Photos-Triumph-Conversions.htm Try here a couple already done --- On Wed, 11/24/10, Andre Rousseau wrote: > From: Andre Rousseau > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... > To: "Andrew Mace" > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 2:16 AM > I almost wonder if dropping in a > whole new powerplant with attached > tranny would be better, but not sure how much work that > would entail. > > Miata? > > A. > > On 23 November 2010 21:04, Andrew Mace > wrote: > > This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even > one that I know of > in > > a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a > Triumph 2000 sedan, > > which actually might be more plentiful in Canada than > in the US? In the > case > > of the one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it > involved some very major > > reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old > Borg-Warner is an > > extremely bulky unit. > > > > Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays > that can be made to > > fit.... > > > > --Andy Mace > > > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's > more your, er, Triumph > > Herald engine with wings. > > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying > Circus (22) > > > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The > Vintage Triumph > > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse > 6) and Triumph > Herald > > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andre Rousseau > > To: fot > > Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm > > Subject: [Fot] Advice... > > > > Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. > > > > > > > > > > > > I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring > a GT6, but > > > > > > recently has lost his left leg below the knee. > > > > > > Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From igofaster at att.net Tue Nov 23 19:26:58 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:26:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <422680.14139.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I used to own a 1967 Triumph 2000 Saloon and it had a Borg Warner automatic transmission. The Triumph 2000 had the same engine as a GT6. Rare car stateside as was only imported in L.A. or N.Y. from what I heard. Good thought and good response to keep a GT6 on the road. Happy Thanksgiving Ya'll .... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Andrew Mace To: andre at gt6.ca; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 8:04:40 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even one that I know of in a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a Triumph 2000 sedan, which actually might be more plentiful in Canada than in the US? In the case of the one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it involved some very major reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old Borg-Warner is an extremely bulky unit. Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays that can be made to fit.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Andre Rousseau To: fot Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm Subject: [Fot] Advice... Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but recently has lost his left leg below the knee. Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Nov 23 19:27:31 2010 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (PAUL MACDONALD) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:27:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <595734.99219.qm@web88108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Especially the Spitfire conversions, thinking the V6 ones would be good --- On Wed, 11/24/10, Andre Rousseau wrote: > From: Andre Rousseau > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... > To: "Andrew Mace" > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 2:16 AM > I almost wonder if dropping in a > whole new powerplant with attached > tranny would be better, but not sure how much work that > would entail. > > Miata? > > A. > > On 23 November 2010 21:04, Andrew Mace > wrote: > > This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even > one that I know of > in > > a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a > Triumph 2000 sedan, > > which actually might be more plentiful in Canada than > in the US? In the > case > > of the one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it > involved some very major > > reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old > Borg-Warner is an > > extremely bulky unit. > > > > Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays > that can be made to > > fit.... > > > > --Andy Mace > > > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's > more your, er, Triumph > > Herald engine with wings. > > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying > Circus (22) > > > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The > Vintage Triumph > > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse > 6) and Triumph > Herald > > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andre Rousseau > > To: fot > > Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm > > Subject: [Fot] Advice... > > > > Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. > > > > > > > > > > > > I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring > a GT6, but > > > > > > recently has lost his left leg below the knee. > > > > > > Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From mdporter at dfn.com Tue Nov 23 19:27:31 2010 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 19:27:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4CEC7813.7040906@dfn.com> On 11/23/2010 7:04 PM, Andrew Mace wrote: > This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even one that I know of in > a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a Triumph 2000 sedan, which > actually might be more plentiful in Canada than in the US? In the case of the > one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it involved some very major > reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old Borg-Warner is an > extremely bulky unit. > > Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays that can be made to > fit.... > > > > --Andy Mace > If the chassis surgery required to install the Borg-Warner is simply more work than the guy wants to entertain, and no modern equivalent is suitable, I'll throw out a couple of wild-assed guesses on other options--a decent fab and machining shop could probably adapt the working bits of the VW automatic stick shift to the car. Would likely require some welding and modification to the bellhousing to fit the solenoid and some modification of shifter extension for the switches, but it could probably be done. A similar--and less invasive--approach would be to use the existing bits, except to substitute one of the hydraulic clutch throw-out bearing units currently in use (Herman?) and then find a suitably-sized electric or electric servo piloted vacuum-operated solenoid to operate the clutch master. A Spitfire shifter arm with a knob-mounted clutch switch would, with a little practice, make shifting almost indistinguishable from standard. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From igofaster at att.net Tue Nov 23 19:28:14 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:28:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: References: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <650919.12918.qm@web180808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> IVE SEEN SOME WACKED V8 AND V6 CONVERSIONS ON EBAY... BOBBY ________________________________ From: Andre Rousseau To: Andrew Mace Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 8:16:26 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... I almost wonder if dropping in a whole new powerplant with attached tranny would be better, but not sure how much work that would entail. Miata? A. On 23 November 2010 21:04, Andrew Mace wrote: > This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even one that I know of in > a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a Triumph 2000 sedan, > which actually might be more plentiful in Canada than in the US? In the case > of the one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it involved some very major > reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old Borg-Warner is an > extremely bulky unit. > > Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays that can be made to > fit.... > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Rousseau > To: fot > Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm > Subject: [Fot] Advice... > > Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. > > > > > > I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but > > > recently has lost his left leg below the knee. > > > Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From mlcooknj at msn.com Tue Nov 23 19:45:27 2010 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:45:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: <422680.14139.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: , <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com>, <422680.14139.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: We sold about 1700-2000 of them 1964-68, nationwide. Most of them have long since turned to mulch. RE Sports Six, we had a test car with the BW 35 that could barely beat a Herald. Mike Cook > Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:26:58 -0800 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: herald948 at aol.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... > > I used to own a 1967 Triumph 2000 Saloon and it had a Borg Warner automatic > transmission. The Triumph 2000 had the same engine as a GT6. Rare car stateside > as was only imported in L.A. or N.Y. from what I heard. > > Good thought and good response to keep a GT6 on the road. > > Happy Thanksgiving Ya'll .... Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Andrew Mace > To: andre at gt6.ca; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 8:04:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... > > This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even one that I know of in > a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a Triumph 2000 sedan, which > actually might be more plentiful in Canada than in the US? In the case of the > one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it involved some very major > reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old Borg-Warner is an > extremely bulky unit. > > Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays that can be made to > fit.... > > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Rousseau > To: fot > Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm > Subject: [Fot] Advice... > > > Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. > > > > I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but > > recently has lost his left leg below the knee. > > Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Nov 23 20:02:10 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:02:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Advice...He can drive a stick though In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20101124030244.23C4418767B@autox.team.net> I used to run a business called Redi-Auto Sport. All we did were adaptations to sports and race cars. At the time we were the US importer of Guido Simplex controls. The same ones Alex Zenardi & Alberto Lovera use and Regazzoni ..used. Clutch is activated from a paddle on the shift knob, totally controllable and you can modulate it just like with your foot. http://www.guidosimplex-usa.com/ Jim G -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 6:55 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Advice... Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but recently has lost his left leg below the knee. Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. He does not want to give up his GT6. (Good man.) What can you recommend for an automatic conversion? I know about the T9, but not sure if they made an automatic. Thoughts. Tks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Tue Nov 23 21:07:50 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:07:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TRANNY CONVERSION INFO NEEDED FOR A GUY WHO LOST A LEG Message-ID: Thanks to Dean Beaupre for the following... RB Sorry to hear about the leg. There are lots of products to help handicaped ( I hate that word) drivers. These are mostly of the hydraulic device activated by a hand button or lever variety. Depending on wheter gas, brake or clutch leg is lost maybe the best solution is to use the hand hydraulic interface with existing gearbox. Food for thought. Good luck. Dean On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:06 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > Hi Gang...Please read below...If you can help..Contact Andre at the > address > link below.. > thanks > Racer Bud > > >> Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. >> >> I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but >> recently has lost his left leg below the knee. >> Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. >> >> He does not want to give up his GT6. (Good man.) >> >> What can you recommend for an automatic conversion? >> >> I know about the T9, but not sure if they made an automatic. >> >> Thoughts. >> >> Tks. >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tr6driver at yahoo.com Tue Nov 23 21:52:39 2010 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:52:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: References: , <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com>, <422680.14139.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <346477.66842.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> As the owner of two 2000's (one of which is slowly coming BACK from mulch, see http://2000estate.blogspot.com), I have what's left of one BW35 (never tried it in a car but the flex plate is bad, typical fault, Rimmer sells a reinforcement plate) and torque converter needs rebuilding (two tangs meant to engage tranny are broken, speedo drive has been cannibalized) that anyone is welcome to free for the shipping. Let me know... Jamie Palmer RiffRAF Racing Raleigh, NC ________________________________ From: michael cook To: igofaster at att.net; Andy Mace Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 9:45:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... We sold about 1700-2000 of them 1964-68, nationwide. Most of them have long since turned to mulch. RE Sports Six, we had a test car with the BW 35 that could barely beat a Herald. Mike Cook > Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:26:58 -0800 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: herald948 at aol.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... > > I used to own a 1967 Triumph 2000 Saloon and it had a Borg Warner automatic > transmission. The Triumph 2000 had the same engine as a GT6. Rare car stateside > as was only imported in L.A. or N.Y. from what I heard. > > Good thought and good response to keep a GT6 on the road. > > Happy Thanksgiving Ya'll .... Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Andrew Mace > To: andre at gt6.ca; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 8:04:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... > > This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even one that I know of in > a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a Triumph 2000 sedan, which > actually might be more plentiful in Canada than in the US? In the case of the > one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it involved some very major > reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old Borg-Warner is an > extremely bulky unit. > > Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays that can be made to > fit.... > > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Rousseau > To: fot > Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm > Subject: [Fot] Advice... > > > Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. > > > > I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but > > recently has lost his left leg below the knee. > > Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Nov 23 22:01:54 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:01:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TRANNY CONVERSION INFO NEEDED FOR A GUY WHO LOST A LEG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20101124050228.0F5B018767B@autox.team.net> I used to run a business called Redi-Auto Sport. All we did were adaptations to sports and race cars. At the time we were the US importer of Guido Simplex controls. The same ones Alex Zenardi & Alberto Lovera use and Regazzoni ..used. Clutch is activated from a paddle on the shift knob, totally controllable and you can modulate it just like with your foot. http://www.guidosimplex-usa.com/ Jim G -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:08 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: DEAN STEELHEAD BEAUPRE Subject: [Fot] Fw: TRANNY CONVERSION INFO NEEDED FOR A GUY WHO LOST A LEG Thanks to Dean Beaupre for the following... RB Sorry to hear about the leg. There are lots of products to help handicaped ( I hate that word) drivers. These are mostly of the hydraulic device activated by a hand button or lever variety. Depending on wheter gas, brake or clutch leg is lost maybe the best solution is to use the hand hydraulic interface with existing gearbox. Food for thought. Good luck. Dean On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:06 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > Hi Gang...Please read below...If you can help..Contact Andre at the > address > link below.. > thanks > Racer Bud > > >> Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. >> >> I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but >> recently has lost his left leg below the knee. >> Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. >> >> He does not want to give up his GT6. (Good man.) >> >> What can you recommend for an automatic conversion? >> >> I know about the T9, but not sure if they made an automatic. >> >> Thoughts. >> >> Tks. >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From cofrog at q.com Tue Nov 23 22:23:37 2010 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 05:23:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TRANNY CONVERSION INFO NEEDED FOR A GUY WHO LOST A LEG In-Reply-To: <20101124050228.0F5B018767B@autox.team.net> References: , <20101124050228.0F5B018767B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: There is a Triumph guy in Grand Junction Colorado that is doing this sort of thing, Mark Saro. I can get contact info if needed. Dan Forgey > From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > To: budscars at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:01:54 -0700 > CC: dabeaupre at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: TRANNY CONVERSION INFO NEEDED FOR A GUY WHO LOST A LEG > > I used to run a business called Redi-Auto Sport. All we did were adaptations > to sports and race cars. At the time we were the US importer of Guido > Simplex controls. > The same ones Alex Zenardi & Alberto Lovera use and Regazzoni ..used. > Clutch is activated from a paddle on the shift knob, totally controllable > and you can modulate it just like with your foot. > > http://www.guidosimplex-usa.com/ > > > Jim G > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:08 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: DEAN STEELHEAD BEAUPRE > Subject: [Fot] Fw: TRANNY CONVERSION INFO NEEDED FOR A GUY WHO LOST A LEG > > Thanks to Dean Beaupre for the following... > RB > > > Sorry to hear about the leg. There are lots of products to help > handicaped ( I hate that word) drivers. These are mostly of the > hydraulic device activated by a hand button or lever variety. > Depending on wheter gas, brake or clutch leg is lost maybe the best > solution is to use the hand hydraulic interface with existing gearbox. > Food for thought. Good luck. Dean > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:06 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > > Hi Gang...Please read below...If you can help..Contact Andre at the > > address > > link below.. > > thanks > > Racer Bud > > > > > >> Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. > >> > >> I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but > >> recently has lost his left leg below the knee. > >> Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. > >> > >> He does not want to give up his GT6. (Good man.) > >> > >> What can you recommend for an automatic conversion? > >> > >> I know about the T9, but not sure if they made an automatic. > >> > >> Thoughts. > >> > >> Tks. > >> > >> A. > >> > >> -- > >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > >> http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > >> #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > >> Ottawa, ON, Canada > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From ac at camoletti.ch Wed Nov 24 05:08:55 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 13:08:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets In-Reply-To: <20101123.211305.11775.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> References: <20101123.211305.11775.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <002a01cb8bd0$656dbc60$30493520$@camoletti.ch> Made all measurements in the shop yesterday: MAHLE piston and stuff 86mm+0.040'' (86.97mm for a 87.02 liner, 0.05mm clearance): Piston complete 719 gr Pin 141 Rings 38 Clips 2 Piston blank 538 gr -----Message d'origine----- De : Joe Boruch [mailto:jaboruch at netzero.com] Envoyi : mercredi 24 novembre 2010 03:13 @ : ac at camoletti.ch Cc : kaskas at cox.net; gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com; RKramer at rdoequipment.com; Lunkercars at earthlink.net; fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets My custom made Diamond pistons are 87mm and weigh 469 grams, without pins or rings. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Alexandre Camoletti" To: "'Kas Kastner'" , "'Greg Solow'" , "'Kramer, Robert'" , "'Greg \"Lunker\"Hilyer'" , "'FoT Triumph'" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:57:24 +0100 Just checked Mahle pistons sitting on the bench, these are 86mm+ .040'' and they weight 676 (1) and 680 grams (3). What is the weight of the stock pistons, and the weight of the Hepolite, or from other reputable brands? Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Kas Kastner Envoyi : samedi 20 novembre 2010 18:12 @ : Greg Solow; Kramer, Robert; Greg "Lunker"Hilyer; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Good information Greg. I remember weighing a set of these Mahle pistons years ago and could not believe how heavy they were. Never used them. Hepolites were my fittings. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Solow" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:14 PM To: "Kramer, Robert" ; "Greg "Lunker"Hilyer" ; "FoT Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets > The Mahle pistons have steel struts cast into the piston skirts to > control skirt size and expansion when hot. That allows them to be run > with tighter skirt to cylinder wall clearances. They are great for > street use and up to about 5500 rpm. Because of the added weight > compared to the AE Hepolite pistons (or forged racing pistons) we > never considered them really suitable for racing or high rpm use. > > Greg Solow > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 From donmarshall at nefcom.net Wed Nov 24 05:44:28 2010 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 07:44:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets In-Reply-To: <002a01cb8bd0$656dbc60$30493520$@camoletti.ch> References: <20101123.211305.11775.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> <002a01cb8bd0$656dbc60$30493520$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: According to documentation from my machine shop when they weighed and balanced everything Venolia 87mm piston with pin - 601.5 Rings (Totalseal) - 28.9 Locks - 2.1 Total complete piston - 632.5g On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 07:08:55 -0500, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: > Made all measurements in the shop yesterday: > > MAHLE piston and stuff 86mm+0.040'' (86.97mm for a 87.02 liner, 0.05mm > clearance): > > Piston complete 719 gr > Pin 141 > Rings 38 > Clips 2 > Piston blank 538 gr From wensley_tr at comcast.net Wed Nov 24 07:28:28 2010 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:28:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Giving Thanks for VDCA's Last Race of the Year In-Reply-To: <20101123211804.E34911C046B@smtp0.av-mx.com> References: <20101123211804.E34911C046B@smtp0.av-mx.com> Message-ID: <001001cb8be3$dcb270f0$961752d0$@net> Oh god I don't want to picture Leo belly dancing Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of donmarshall at nefcom.net Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 4:18 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Giving Thanks for VDCA's Last Race of the Year As we prepare to join family and friends on this Thanksgiving Day, we should remember our friends at VDCA. While we dine on white meat, mashed potatoes & gravy, and that wonderful pumpkin pie, they will be preparing for their Annual Season Finale at Roebling Road Raceway. Yes, even though the temperatures are dropping, and old St. Nick is tuning his sleigh, some of us are still prepping ("repairing" in old English) our race cars. This year's event will be held on December 10th through the 12th and Mike Jackson has guaranteed beautiful weather in Savannah. So, go to their website, print the entry form and mail it in with your check. Load the spare parts and bring plenty of race gas and oil. You'll need it for all of the track time you will have. And, if that isn't enough, as a special bonus you will be invited to join Friday evening's festivities at the Triumph Ghetto! The Friday party promises to be memorable - Leo Oddi will entertain us with his new Hula Dance - thankfully he dropped the belly dancing lessons. Dean Tetterton will explain to all of us the REAL reason he didn't come to the Hurricane event in September. Rob Deanes will debut his newest fishing stories, I will cook, as usual, and the rest of the Ghettoers will continue work on that day's idea on the Triumph Spec Racer!. So, mark the date and plan on being with us in Savannah. This is gonna be a BLAST! The Triumph Ghetto -- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From herald948 at aol.com Wed Nov 24 08:12:02 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 10:12:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: <4CEC7813.7040906@dfn.com> References: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> <4CEC7813.7040906@dfn.com> Message-ID: <8CD5A0115083F61-164C-30DF@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Michael Porter If the chassis surgery required to install the Borg-Warner is simply more work than the guy wants to entertain, and no modern equivalent is suitable, I'll throw out a couple of wild-assed guesses on other options--a decent fab and machining shop could probably adapt the working bits of the VW automatic stick shift to the car. ==AM== Funny you should mention that, as the VW Beetle's 'semi-automatic' -- if I remember correctly --- was rather similar to what was called 'Standrive' on the Standard 10 sedan and 'Triumatic' (or 'Trimatic' -- depends on what factory literature you're reading) on the Triumph 10. Maybe Mike Cook would know if any Triumph 10s were actually sold here in the US with Triumatic, which used hydraulics, servos and other bells and whistles to actuate the clutch via the shift lever while keeping the original four-speed gearbox. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From billbab at me.com Wed Nov 24 09:26:30 2010 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 06:26:30 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Hoosier R6 tire pressures In-Reply-To: References: <14703571-8ED5-4E74-9EA8-66D706894B56@bnj.com> <94FFC3F3-E73D-451D-907D-CB3D68085D4B@me.com> Message-ID: Just came across this and realized I never answered. Wrong means not optimal, and both you and I know .5 degrees is not "wrong" for a radial tire. Fine for a bias ply. I've seen you drive your car and work on it. I know you know what's "right". On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:52 AM, Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: >>> If an overinflated tire makes your car handle better it's because your camber is wrong. > >>> > While I basically agree, please define "wrong". > My car has .5 degrees of hard gotten negative camber. It could also be put in full street trim in about 5 hours - cracked windshield, ratty interior, stock ride height, skinny wheels and all. Nothing has ever been bent, cut, drilled, or otherwise molested to prevent it from going back to the two owner, 75.000 mile street car that it is. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Nov 24 12:00:35 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:00:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Giving Thanks for VDCA's Last Race of the Year In-Reply-To: <001001cb8be3$dcb270f0$961752d0$@net> References: <20101123211804.E34911C046B@smtp0.av-mx.com> <001001cb8be3$dcb270f0$961752d0$@net> Message-ID: Well, come on down and see if Leo dances , I will try to make the fish stories come to life with Carolina lobsters and grouper to boot for Friday nights dinner...so bring your TRs on down and have some fun...Saturday night is a pig picking and oysters..plus the beer...you want go home hungry. On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Craig wrote: > Oh god I don't want to picture Leo belly dancing > > > > Craig > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of donmarshall at nefcom.net > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 4:18 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Giving Thanks for VDCA's Last Race of the Year > > > > As we prepare to join family and friends on this Thanksgiving Day, we > > should remember our friends at VDCA. While we dine on white meat, mashed > > potatoes & gravy, and that wonderful pumpkin pie, they will be preparing > > for their Annual Season Finale at Roebling Road Raceway. > > > > Yes, even though the temperatures are dropping, and old St. Nick is tuning > > his sleigh, some of us are still prepping ("repairing" in old English) our > > race cars. This year's event will be held on December 10th through the > > 12th and Mike Jackson has guaranteed beautiful weather in Savannah. > > > > So, go to their website, print the entry form and mail it in with your > > check. Load the spare parts and bring plenty of race gas and oil. You'll > > need it for all of the track time you will have. And, if that isn't > > enough, as a special bonus you will be invited to join Friday evening's > > festivities at the Triumph Ghetto! > > > > The Friday party promises to be memorable - Leo Oddi will entertain us > > with his new Hula Dance - thankfully he dropped the belly dancing lessons. > > Dean Tetterton will explain to all of us the REAL reason he didn't come to > > the Hurricane event in September. Rob Deanes will debut his newest fishing > > stories, I will cook, as usual, and the rest of the Ghettoers will > > continue work on that day's idea on the Triumph Spec Racer!. > > > > So, mark the date and plan on being with us in Savannah. This is gonna be > > a BLAST! > > > > The Triumph Ghetto > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Nov 24 12:11:49 2010 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 13:11:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kas's New Book Message-ID: Kas's new book arrived today. It looks amazing. I don't think I'll get much done at work this afternoon. ;-) From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Nov 24 12:52:59 2010 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:52:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Giving Thanks for VRG's Last Race of the Year In-Reply-To: References: <20101123211804.E34911C046B@smtp0.av-mx.com> <001001cb8be3$dcb270f0$961752d0$@net> Message-ID: <4AD81415-FE8E-4167-8E16-3D9AE2E3E25A@comcast.net> Some of us will be giving thanks a little earlier than that at Vintage Racing Group's Turkey Bowl at Summit Point this weekend - the last vintage event in the colder Northeast. Practices Friday, racing Saturday and a one hour enduro on Sunday. As with last year, there's a chance of rain on Friday, but the prediction is for crystal clear 50 degree days on Sat-Sun. I'll be showing up Friday night for at least two days of festivities with the GT6 and Rich Rock is expected with his Triumph six-powered TVR. Last year I only recall two other Triumphs - a Spitfire and a beautiful Triumph-powered Peerless. Some FOTs are expected to be spectating as well. Lots of driving time on a great track. Come on out! On Nov 24, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Robert Deanes wrote: Well, come on down and see if Leo dances , I will try to make the fish stories come to life with Carolina lobsters and grouper to boot for Friday nights dinner...so bring your TRs on down and have some fun...Saturday night is a pig picking and oysters..plus the beer...you want go home hungry. On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Craig wrote: > Oh god I don't want to picture Leo belly dancing > > > > Craig > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of donmarshall at nefcom.net > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 4:18 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Giving Thanks for VDCA's Last Race of the Year > > > > As we prepare to join family and friends on this Thanksgiving Day, we > > should remember our friends at VDCA. While we dine on white meat, > mashed > > potatoes & gravy, and that wonderful pumpkin pie, they will be > preparing > > for their Annual Season Finale at Roebling Road Raceway. > > > > Yes, even though the temperatures are dropping, and old St. Nick is > tuning > > his sleigh, some of us are still prepping ("repairing" in old > English) our > > race cars. This year's event will be held on December 10th through the > > 12th and Mike Jackson has guaranteed beautiful weather in Savannah. > > > > So, go to their website, print the entry form and mail it in with your > > check. Load the spare parts and bring plenty of race gas and oil. > You'll > > need it for all of the track time you will have. And, if that isn't > > enough, as a special bonus you will be invited to join Friday > evening's > > festivities at the Triumph Ghetto! > > > > The Friday party promises to be memorable - Leo Oddi will entertain us > > with his new Hula Dance - thankfully he dropped the belly dancing > lessons. > > Dean Tetterton will explain to all of us the REAL reason he didn't > come to > > the Hurricane event in September. Rob Deanes will debut his newest > fishing > > stories, I will cook, as usual, and the rest of the Ghettoers will > > continue work on that day's idea on the Triumph Spec Racer!. > > > > So, mark the date and plan on being with us in Savannah. This is > gonna be > > a BLAST! > > > > The Triumph Ghetto > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Nov 24 14:21:58 2010 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (jerryvv at roadrunner.com) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 16:21:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: <8CD5A0115083F61-164C-30DF@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20101124212158.9C45I.58831.root@cdptpa-web25-z01> Did those transmissions have a torque converter as well as a clutch like the old Chrysler products from the 1950's? JVV ---- Andrew Mace wrote: > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Porter > > > > If the chassis surgery required to install the Borg-Warner is simply > more work than the guy wants to entertain, and no modern equivalent is > suitable, I'll throw out a couple of wild-assed guesses on other > options--a decent fab and machining shop could probably adapt the > working bits of the VW automatic stick shift to the car. > > > ==AM== > Funny you should mention that, as the VW Beetle's 'semi-automatic' -- if I > remember correctly --- was rather similar to what was called > 'Standrive' on the Standard 10 sedan and 'Triumatic' (or 'Trimatic' -- depends > on what factory literature you're reading) on the Triumph 10. > Maybe Mike Cook would know if any Triumph 10s were actually sold here in the > US with Triumatic, which used hydraulics, servos and other > bells and whistles to actuate the clutch via the shift lever while keeping the > original four-speed gearbox. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Nov 24 15:20:51 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 23:20:51 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets In-Reply-To: <20101123.211305.11775.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> References: <20101123.211305.11775.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <001a01cb8c25$dbe46c90$93ad45b0$@com> I run Mahle forged pistons with a weight of 480gr incl. pin and rings. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Joe Boruch Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. November 2010 03:13 An: ac at camoletti.ch Cc: Lunkercars at earthlink.net; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets My custom made Diamond pistons are 87mm and weigh 469 grams, without pins or rings. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Alexandre Camoletti" To: "'Kas Kastner'" , "'Greg Solow'" , "'Kramer, Robert'" , "'Greg \"Lunker\"Hilyer'" , "'FoT Triumph'" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:57:24 +0100 Just checked Mahle pistons sitting on the bench, these are 86mm+ .040'' and they weight 676 (1) and 680 grams (3). What is the weight of the stock pistons, and the weight of the Hepolite, or from other reputable brands? Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Kas Kastner Envoyi : samedi 20 novembre 2010 18:12 @ : Greg Solow; Kramer, Robert; Greg "Lunker"Hilyer; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Good information Greg. I remember weighing a set of these Mahle pistons years ago and could not believe how heavy they were. Never used them. Hepolites were my fittings. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Solow" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:14 PM To: "Kramer, Robert" ; "Greg "Lunker"Hilyer" ; "FoT Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets > The Mahle pistons have steel struts cast into the piston skirts to > control skirt size and expansion when hot. That allows them to be run > with tighter skirt to cylinder wall clearances. They are great for > street use and up to about 5500 rpm. Because of the added weight > compared to the AE Hepolite pistons (or forged racing pistons) we > never considered them really suitable for racing or high rpm use. > > Greg Solow > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From herald948 at aol.com Wed Nov 24 17:15:40 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 19:15:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... Message-ID: <8CD5A4D06FE8FE1-C84-D622@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> The "Standrive" / "Triumatic" used a "Newton Bennett" centrifugal clutch, and solenoids and servos handled changing gear (push the switch on the end of the shift lever and then move the lever as you would a manual gearbox). In fact, it was the same gearbox otherwise. All rather clever if complicated, and apparently somewhat troublesome over the years.... ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: jerryvv Did those transmissions have a torque converter as well as a clutch like the old Chrysler products from the 1950's? From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Nov 24 22:38:16 2010 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 21:38:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: <8CD5A4D06FE8FE1-C84-D622@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD5A4D06FE8FE1-C84-D622@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <081601cb8c62$f5a4c110$0301a8c0@randall> > The "Standrive" / "Triumatic" used a "Newton Bennett" > centrifugal clutch, FWIW, the VW version had a torque converter, perhaps more similar to those Chrysler products of the 50's. I don't recall the entire clutch linkage, but it started with an electrical switch at the bottom of the gear lever, that was supposed to sense when the driver grabbed the shift knob; and involved a device that looked rather like a power brake booster. I owned one briefly, but not long enough to make it work. -- Randall From kaskas at cox.net Thu Nov 25 09:11:15 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 08:11:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Address needed Message-ID: <6218005F77E04476B4877FDFC2C5B769@KasPC> BOB KRAMER please send me your mailing address. From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Nov 25 17:43:29 2010 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 19:43:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2500/2000 seperate bell housing Message-ID: <000301cb8d02$f1f09d00$d5d1d700$@rr.com> Is there such a thing as a standalone bell housing that would fit the 2500cc engine of a TR6 or 250? I have a modification I want to try. I'm working on trying a 5 speed Ford Type 9 behind a 2500 engine. Any info appreciated. Thanks Russ Moore From herald948 at aol.com Thu Nov 25 20:04:07 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 22:04:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 2500/2000 seperate bell housing In-Reply-To: <000301cb8d02$f1f09d00$d5d1d700$@rr.com> References: <000301cb8d02$f1f09d00$d5d1d700$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CD5B2DB92346F4-C84-202DA@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> The GT6/Vitesse bellhousing comes to mind! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing To: fot Sent: Thu, Nov 25, 2010 7:45 pm Subject: [Fot] 2500/2000 seperate bell housing Is there such a thing as a standalone bell housing that would fit the 2500cc engine of a TR6 or 250? I have a modification I want to try. I'm working on trying a 5 speed Ford Type 9 behind a 2500 engine. Any info appreciated. Thanks From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Nov 26 02:17:54 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 10:17:54 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Photos Season 2010 In-Reply-To: <8CD5B2DB92346F4-C84-202DA@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> References: <000301cb8d02$f1f09d00$d5d1d700$@rr.com> <8CD5B2DB92346F4-C84-202DA@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001c01cb8d4a$d0c83870$7258a950$@com> I've just updated my webpage with some photos: http://www.tr4-racing.de/deu/gallery2010.html Cheers Chris From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Nov 26 11:25:41 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 10:25:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help Message-ID: <66373964-9A58-478A-8EB8-3DC5A3281639@aol.com> Listers, I acquired a TR3-4 billet crank that has non-stock dimensions at the rear seal and flywheel end. I can't seem to get any info /history on the original set-up. The crank is like a TR6 with no flange to mount the flywheel, but the diameter at the rear seal is 3.125" (versus something under 3" for stock TR6 and 2.5" for the no scroll TR3-4 upgrade seal). I posted a picture showing the crank next to a stock unit @: http://s840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/jfrymark/TR4%20Crankshaft/ Any one know of this set-up or a rear seal for this crank? Also, I have investigated a run of TR3-4 billet crankshafts from Marine Crankshaft, a highly respected shop in Santa Ana, CA. Price is under $2500 depending on run size. If you might be interested, let me know off-line. No obligation at this time...info gathering only. Thanks, John Frymark VARA DP #67 TR4A From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Nov 26 12:05:31 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 13:05:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help In-Reply-To: <66373964-9A58-478A-8EB8-3DC5A3281639@aol.com> References: <66373964-9A58-478A-8EB8-3DC5A3281639@aol.com> Message-ID: <20101126190505.A96A0187878@autox.team.net> Looks like the crankshaft that Cambridge sells: http://www.cambridgemotorsport.com/Historic-Racing-Parts-TR4-Crankshaft-Flywheels I think you need a flywheel manufactured to fit as well. Cool set up. Flywheels are listed on that page too. While the seal isn't listed there (and I didn't search the whole site for it), I would think they could get you set up with the proper seal and housing. - Tony Drews At 12:25 PM 11/26/2010, John Frymark wrote: >Listers, > >I acquired a TR3-4 billet crank that has non-stock dimensions at the >rear seal and flywheel end. I can't seem to get any info /history on >the original set-up. > >The crank is like a TR6 with no flange to mount the flywheel, but the >diameter at the rear seal is 3.125" (versus something under 3" for >stock TR6 and 2.5" for the no scroll TR3-4 upgrade seal). I posted a >picture showing the crank next to a stock unit @: > >http://s840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/jfrymark/TR4%20Crankshaft/ > >Any one know of this set-up or a rear seal for this crank? > >Also, I have investigated a run of TR3-4 billet crankshafts from >Marine Crankshaft, a highly respected shop in Santa Ana, CA. Price is >under $2500 depending on run size. If you might be interested, let me >know off-line. No obligation at this time...info gathering only. > >Thanks, >John Frymark >VARA DP #67 TR4A >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Nov 26 12:50:53 2010 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 11:50:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help In-Reply-To: <20101126190505.A96A0187878@autox.team.net> References: <66373964-9A58-478A-8EB8-3DC5A3281639@aol.com>, <20101126190505.A96A0187878@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I'm pretty sure the seal you need for the 12 bolt crank , is from the "kent" ford engine (formula ford). It's a one piece lip seal. I can't remember but i think you have to do a little maching on the Block/cap for the out dia. of the seal. I can supply an alloy flywheel/clutch assembly approx. weight is 12.5 lbs. cost is P.O.A. Thanks Tony > Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 13:05:31 -0600 > To: jfrymark at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: tony at tonydrews.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help > > Looks like the crankshaft that Cambridge sells: > http://www.cambridgemotorsport.com/Historic-Racing-Parts-TR4-Crankshaft-Flywh eels > > I think you need a flywheel manufactured to fit as well. Cool set > up. Flywheels are listed on that page too. While the seal isn't > listed there (and I didn't search the whole site for it), I would > think they could get you set up with the proper seal and housing. > > - Tony Drews > > At 12:25 PM 11/26/2010, John Frymark wrote: > >Listers, > > > >I acquired a TR3-4 billet crank that has non-stock dimensions at the > >rear seal and flywheel end. I can't seem to get any info /history on > >the original set-up. > > > >The crank is like a TR6 with no flange to mount the flywheel, but the > >diameter at the rear seal is 3.125" (versus something under 3" for > >stock TR6 and 2.5" for the no scroll TR3-4 upgrade seal). I posted a > >picture showing the crank next to a stock unit @: > > > >http://s840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/jfrymark/TR4%20Crankshaft/ > > > >Any one know of this set-up or a rear seal for this crank? > > > >Also, I have investigated a run of TR3-4 billet crankshafts from > >Marine Crankshaft, a highly respected shop in Santa Ana, CA. Price is > >under $2500 depending on run size. If you might be interested, let me > >know off-line. No obligation at this time...info gathering only. > > > >Thanks, > >John Frymark > >VARA DP #67 TR4A > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Nov 26 15:33:35 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 23:33:35 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help In-Reply-To: <66373964-9A58-478A-8EB8-3DC5A3281639@aol.com> References: <66373964-9A58-478A-8EB8-3DC5A3281639@aol.com> Message-ID: <001201cb8db9$f7f02dd0$e7d08970$@com> This crank looks like a Bastuck crank. I know of about 3 cranks broke from that design. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von John Frymark Gesendet: Freitag, 26. November 2010 19:26 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help Listers, I acquired a TR3-4 billet crank that has non-stock dimensions at the rear seal and flywheel end. I can't seem to get any info /history on the original set-up. The crank is like a TR6 with no flange to mount the flywheel, but the diameter at the rear seal is 3.125" (versus something under 3" for stock TR6 and 2.5" for the no scroll TR3-4 upgrade seal). I posted a picture showing the crank next to a stock unit @: http://s840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/jfrymark/TR4%20Crankshaft/ Any one know of this set-up or a rear seal for this crank? Also, I have investigated a run of TR3-4 billet crankshafts from Marine Crankshaft, a highly respected shop in Santa Ana, CA. Price is under $2500 depending on run size. If you might be interested, let me know off-line. No obligation at this time...info gathering only. Thanks, John Frymark VARA DP #67 TR4A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Nov 26 16:20:04 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:20:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help In-Reply-To: References: <66373964-9A58-478A-8EB8-3DC5A3281639@aol.com>, <20101126190505.A96A0187878@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8DE53D5F-33D8-44F8-831A-E4985CDE3960@aol.com> That's it! Thanks for the expertise and fast replies from the Tonys. John Frymark On Nov 26, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: > I'm pretty sure the seal you need for the 12 bolt crank , is from > the "kent" ford engine (formula ford). It's a one piece lip seal. I > can't remember but i think you have to do a little maching on the > Block/cap for the out dia. of the seal. I can supply an alloy > flywheel/clutch assembly approx. weight is 12.5 lbs. cost is P.O.A. > > Thanks > Tony > > > Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 13:05:31 -0600 > > To: jfrymark at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net > > From: tony at tonydrews.com > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help > > > > Looks like the crankshaft that Cambridge sells: > > http://www.cambridgemotorsport.com/Historic-Racing-Parts-TR4-Crankshaft-Flywheels > > > > I think you need a flywheel manufactured to fit as well. Cool set > > up. Flywheels are listed on that page too. While the seal isn't > > listed there (and I didn't search the whole site for it), I would > > think they could get you set up with the proper seal and housing. > > > > - Tony Drews > > > > At 12:25 PM 11/26/2010, John Frymark wrote: > > >Listers, > > > > > >I acquired a TR3-4 billet crank that has non-stock dimensions at > the > > >rear seal and flywheel end. I can't seem to get any info /history > on > > >the original set-up. > > > > > >The crank is like a TR6 with no flange to mount the flywheel, but > the > > >diameter at the rear seal is 3.125" (versus something under 3" for > > >stock TR6 and 2.5" for the no scroll TR3-4 upgrade seal). I > posted a > > >picture showing the crank next to a stock unit @: > > > > > >http://s840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/jfrymark/TR4%20Crankshaft/ > > > > > >Any one know of this set-up or a rear seal for this crank? > > > > > >Also, I have investigated a run of TR3-4 billet crankshafts from > > >Marine Crankshaft, a highly respected shop in Santa Ana, CA. > Price is > > >under $2500 depending on run size. If you might be interested, > let me > > >know off-line. No obligation at this time...info gathering only. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >John Frymark > > >VARA DP #67 TR4A > > >_______________________________________________ > > >fot at autox.team.net > > > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From igofaster at att.net Fri Nov 26 18:17:56 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 17:17:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] KASTNERS BOOK ARRIVED Message-ID: <683823.49132.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Christmas came early, Mr. Kastners new book was in my mail slot today! I'll be busy for a day or two... bye bye ya'll...... thanks for the GT6 Chapters Kas!!!!! Bobby Whitehead From andre at gt6.ca Fri Nov 26 19:46:07 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 21:46:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] KASTNERS BOOK ARRIVED In-Reply-To: <683823.49132.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <683823.49132.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've been checking my box daily, but it takes time to come North ;) Driving season is all over... Snow snow snow snow :( A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 26 November 2010 20:17, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Christmas came early, Mr. Kastners new book was in my mail slot today! > > I'll be busy for a day or two... bye bye ya'll...... thanks for > the GT6 Chapters Kas!!!!! > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Nov 27 09:24:10 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 11:24:10 EST Subject: [Fot] KASTNERS BOOK ARRIVED Message-ID: <93d29.37d82059.3a228aaa@aol.com> Mine came yesterday as well. It looks to be another excellent job but there's too much Chuck. The car looks good and lots of mention of adorable daughter Sammi, just too much Chuck;-)) In a message dated 11/26/2010 6:48:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, andre at gt6.ca writes: I've been checking my box daily, but it takes time to come North ;) Driving season is all over... Snow snow snow snow :( A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 26 November 2010 20:17, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Christmas came early, Mr. Kastners new book was in my mail slot today! > > I'll be busy for a day or two... bye bye ya'll...... thanks for > the GT6 Chapters Kas!!!!! > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From jerrybarr at charter.net Sat Nov 27 09:54:30 2010 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:54:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KASTNERS BOOK ARRIVED In-Reply-To: <93d29.37d82059.3a228aaa@aol.com> References: <93d29.37d82059.3a228aaa@aol.com> Message-ID: <49CEFDE8-096B-43E0-BDCB-750094C7A16E@charter.net> There is always ice racing! For you west coasters that is when the lakes freeze we go racing on the ice. I tried ice fishing but I never found a good recipe for cooking the ice that I caught. On Nov 27, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > Mine came yesterday as well. It looks to be another excellent job but > there's too much Chuck. The car looks good and lots of mention of adorable > daughter Sammi, just too much Chuck;-)) > > > In a message dated 11/26/2010 6:48:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > andre at gt6.ca writes: > > I've been checking my box daily, but it takes time to come North ;) > > Driving season is all over... Snow snow snow snow :( > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > On 26 November 2010 20:17, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> Christmas came early, Mr. Kastners new book was in my mail slot today! >> >> I'll be busy for a day or two... bye bye ya'll...... thanks > for >> the GT6 Chapters Kas!!!!! >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sat Nov 27 11:33:57 2010 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:33:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] KASTNERS BOOK ARRIVED In-Reply-To: <49CEFDE8-096B-43E0-BDCB-750094C7A16E@charter.net> References: <93d29.37d82059.3a228aaa@aol.com> <49CEFDE8-096B-43E0-BDCB-750094C7A16E@charter.net> Message-ID: <4DF3F17A-DE17-41CF-8D4B-EED58A72B374@aol.com> Please stop tormenting me! I haven't been able to check my mailbox yet. I am looking forward to Monday (hopefully) checking my mailbox and spending a few hours reading it. On Nov 27, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Jerry Barr wrote: > There is always ice racing! For you west coasters that is when the lakes > freeze we go racing on the ice. I tried ice fishing but I never found a good > recipe for cooking the ice that I caught. > On Nov 27, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > >> Mine came yesterday as well. It looks to be another excellent job but >> there's too much Chuck. The car looks good and lots of mention of adorable >> daughter Sammi, just too much Chuck;-)) >> >> >> In a message dated 11/26/2010 6:48:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> andre at gt6.ca writes: >> >> I've been checking my box daily, but it takes time to come North ;) >> >> Driving season is all over... Snow snow snow snow :( >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> >> On 26 November 2010 20:17, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>> Christmas came early, Mr. Kastners new book was in my mail slot today! >>> >>> I'll be busy for a day or two... bye bye ya'll...... thanks >> for >>> the GT6 Chapters Kas!!!!! >>> >>> Bobby Whitehead >>> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From cwnfot at gmail.com Mon Nov 29 21:23:10 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 23:23:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Top Gear In-Reply-To: <000001cb9040$371c2850$a55478f0$@rr.com> References: <000001cb9004$f25644c0$d702ce40$@net> <000001cb9040$371c2850$a55478f0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <00b001cb9046$4db3ca90$e91b5fb0$@com> I attended the premier showing of several segments and introduction to the stars of the American Top Gear at the LV Hilton Wednesday evening during SEMA in Las Vegas early November. My buddy fell asleep, neither of us found it compelling. We did get free soda, popcorn and a Tee-Shirt though. Buzz wasn't there, that would have been cool! The Pawn Star guys were there somewhere but didn't go on stage. Hey, did you see the NOS Cobra bare aluminum Cobra body someone brought them, abandoned in a storage unit? There's a story there for sure! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From markvaden at gmail.com Tue Nov 30 22:02:51 2010 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:02:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Racing Software Message-ID: Hi Everyone, As many of you already know, as a side project for the past 3 years I have been working on a piece of software with a colleague called DashWare. DashWare allows you to analyze video and data together, as well as overlay gauges on top of video. Until recently ChaseCam was our exclusive distributor, and they handled all of our sales and marketing. Our software always worked with a variety of data loggers and cameras, but most of our sales were to ChaseCam customers. In an attempt to widen our appeal, in addition to selling through ChaseCam, we are also selling DashWare independantly of ChaseCam at www.DashWare.net. We are still working with ChaseCam, and in fact their new DIVA system uses DashWare for all the analysis. If you are in the market for a camera and logger I would definitely recommend the DIVA. If you already have a camera and a logger, or are thinking of buying either, check out DashWare. DashWare works with almost every data logger on the market, as well as many cameras including ChaseCam, GoPro, ContourHD, ContourGPS and others. One feature that we really like is our compatibility with multiple loggers, as this increases the likelihood of comparing your data to someone else's. There is more information and a free trial available at www.DashWare.net. I know commercial posts are controversial on the FOT mailing list, but since our product was built with racing in mind, I thought it was appropriate. I myself like seeing what products other triumph racers are offering, but I understand people do not like to be bombarded with ads. If you have any questions you can ping me directly or visit the website at www.DashWare.net. Thanks, Mark From billb at bnj.com Tue Nov 30 23:23:24 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:23:24 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Racing Software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F855B12-A402-45B8-B7FF-ADA8DFFEF853@bnj.com> We're not commies Mark, a reasonable pitch for relevant product should be welcome. On Nov 30, 2010, at 7:02 PM, Mark Vaden wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > As many of you already know, as a side project for the past 3 years I have > been working on a piece of software with a colleague called DashWare. > DashWare allows you to analyze video and data together, as well as overlay > gauges on top of video. Until recently ChaseCam was our exclusive > distributor, and they handled all of our sales and marketing. Our software > always worked with a variety of data loggers and cameras, but most of our > sales were to ChaseCam customers. In an attempt to widen our appeal, in > addition to selling through ChaseCam, we are also selling DashWare > independantly of ChaseCam at www.DashWare.net. We are still working with > ChaseCam, and in fact their new DIVA system uses DashWare for all the > analysis. If you are in the market for a camera and logger I would > definitely recommend the DIVA. > > If you already have a camera and a logger, or are thinking of buying either, > check out DashWare. DashWare works with almost every data logger on the > market, as well as many cameras including ChaseCam, GoPro, ContourHD, > ContourGPS and others. One feature that we really like is our compatibility > with multiple loggers, as this increases the likelihood of comparing your > data to someone else's. There is more information and a free trial > available at www.DashWare.net. > > I know commercial posts are controversial on the FOT mailing list, but since > our product was built with racing in mind, I thought it was appropriate. I > myself like seeing what products other triumph racers are offering, but I > understand people do not like to be bombarded with ads. If you have any > questions you can ping me directly or visit the website at www.DashWare.net. > > Thanks, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Mon Nov 1 03:04:37 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 02:04:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Head torque 2 Message-ID: I forgot to mention a couple of things. Make sure that the fine threads on the studs are not distorted. Wire brush them clean and then inspect them under bright light against a white wall. The threads should not tilt upward, but should be nice and uniform. After 50 years of head gasket replacements the threads will eventually become distorted and will bent upwards. Any studs like this should be discarded. Another way to check them is to take two studs and fit the threads together. Hold them up to the white wall and there should be no light visible between the threads of the two studs. If the threads of one stud are distorted, light will be visible. Check the bottom of each nut. feel the inside of the hole. The threads should not be pulled downwards. When a nut is machined, there is always a little bevel on the inside of the hole leading into the first thread. As the nuts are torque again and again, the thread will pull downwards. If these threads are distorted, discard the nuts. Replacing the nuts with good Grade 8 "high nuts" is a good idea. A "high nut" is a nut that is about 1 1/4 times taller than a normal nut of the same size. Curtiss Industries makes good ones that are heat treated to have a tensil strength of 180,000 psi. Lawson Industries also distributes similar nuts. Of course all ARP hardware is top notch, but I do not like the look of 12 point head nuts on a Vintage race car, they just don't look right. I do not believe that ARP make a hex "high nut" Finally make sure that the nuts will spin on to the studs easily with your fingers before using them. Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From andre at gt6.ca Mon Nov 1 04:22:05 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 06:22:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] drivers suit opinions In-Reply-To: References: <0C2712E4-319A-43D8-8AE5-8099594BB5DD@bnj.com> Message-ID: 3 layer one piece OMP with undies. 1 safer due to a longer burn time and 2 despite the PITA factor for the undies I found they dried out faster then the race suit. IE you sweat a lot so its better to have a barrier between you and the suit. My last race in late Sept I left the undies on post race because it was rather cool that weekend. IMG_1072.JPG A. On 31 October 2010 22:53, Norlin Engineering wrote: > Agree on the one piece three layer. I started with the two piece with > undies - lots of bits and it all moves around. Went to a two layer one > piece with undies - much better, but the new three piece is much better - > and in my opinion actually cooler. I still carry the two piece with undies > in addition to the three piece for really long weekends. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Nov 1 09:33:59 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:33:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH TRAILER FOR SALE....delete if not interested Message-ID: <8CD47F156E3B094-141C-9E785@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Sean would like to have a different trailer that suits his purposes better. Enclosed with clamshell openings front and rear... aluminum frame two new 3500# axles with electric brakes. electric winch it occurs to me that i will be taking trailer to LA area, the week of the 8th of Nov, and could deliver there or on a return route. $1850 THANKS! Joe From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Nov 1 09:57:25 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Head torque 2 follow up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <791033240.537133.1288627045320.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Just as a follow up, if you use the head studs as picking points to hoist the motor into the car, the threads can be easily dinged enough to skew the torque values. I use the ARP's but not to hoist from, I keep a pair of original studs for that purpose. I caught an episode of Horsepower TV last week when they did a test on ARP bolts with different lubricants and it's amazing the wild swings in torque you can get with the different lubricants. They sold me, nothing but ARP lube with ARP bolts. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, November 1, 2010 3:04:37 AM Subject: [Fot] Head torque 2 I forgot to mention a couple of things. B Make sure that the fine threads on the studs are not distorted. Wire brush them clean and then inspect them under bright light against a white wall. The threads should not tilt upward, but should be nice and uniform. After 50 years of head gasket replacements the threads will eventually become distorted and will bent upwards. Any studs like this should be discarded. Another way to check them is to take two studs and fit the threads together. Hold them up to the white wall and there should be no light visible between the threads of the two studs. If the threads of one stud are distorted, light will be visible. Check the bottom of each nut. feel the inside of the hole. The threads should not be pulled downwards. When a nut is machined, there is always a little bevel on the inside of the hole leading into the first thread. As the nuts are torque again and again, the thread will pull downwards. If these threads are distorted, discard the nuts. Replacing the nuts with good Grade 8 "high nuts" is a good idea. A "high nut" is a nut that is about 1 1/4 times taller than a normal nut of the same size. Curtiss Industries makes good ones that are heat treated to have a tensil strength of 180,000 psi. B Lawson Industries also distributes similar nuts. B Of course all ARP hardware is top notch, but I do not like the look of 12 point head nuts on a Vintage race car, they just don't look right. I do not believe that ARP make a hex "high nut" B Finally make sure that the nuts will spin on to the studs easily with your fingers before using them. B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Nov 1 10:54:27 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:54:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] engine break-in In-Reply-To: <1CCE8B51FCC348C6B307A4FB3E29607C@your89d26e0447> References: <001801cb7741$02ae7b80$080b7280$@camoletti.ch> <1CCE8B51FCC348C6B307A4FB3E29607C@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: <4CCEF0C3.7090309@pobox.com> I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that Shell Rotella oil was still using the high zinc (SAE SJ rating) for some time after the automotive oils had switched to the new low zinc SM rating, but it now has the low zinc rating as well. Getting the exact current spec would be better, but lacking that just check the side of the container. Unfortunately, many specs found on the internet are outdated. I have been using straight 30 weight oil with an intermediate SL rating in my street Triumph and other old nonracing engines. -Larry On 10/30/2010 1:38 AM, Greg Solow wrote: > You may be able to contact Shell Oil technical services in > Europe..They could tell you the Zinc and Phosphorus content of the > Shell Rotella oils available in Europe. I would bet they are the same > as here. The "automotive Diesel" grade oils that are sold here, were > formulated for European Diesel engine cars to meet the car > manufacturer's specs. You are looking for over 1600 parts per million > of Zink and 1300 parts per million of Phosphorus. > > Greg Solow _______________________________________________ From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Nov 1 11:37:18 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 10:37:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] engine break-in In-Reply-To: <4CCEF0C3.7090309@pobox.com> References: <001801cb7741$02ae7b80$080b7280$@camoletti.ch> <1CCE8B51FCC348C6B307A4FB3E29607C@your89d26e0447> <4CCEF0C3.7090309@pobox.com> Message-ID: <04e501cb79eb$6ebb5f80$4c321e80$@rr.com> > I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that Shell Rotella oil > was still using the high zinc (SAE SJ rating) for some time after the > automotive oils had switched to the new low zinc SM rating, but it now > has the low zinc rating as well. They did reduce ZDDP content slightly a few years ago. The document I have indicates that the 'old' Rotella T CI-4 had 1400 ppm zinc, while the 'new' Rotella T CJ-4 has "only" 1210 ppm zinc. But that is still almost twice that allowed for SM oil. And FWIW, they claim to have other, extra additives that make up the difference. The same document claims the new oil now contains 35 ppm of Boron while the old one contained none. That may or may not actually mean anything of course, but I have seen boron-based additives mentioned in the search for a ZDDP replacement. -- Randall From bownes at seiri.com Mon Nov 1 11:46:34 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:46:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH TRAILER FOR SALE....delete if not interested In-Reply-To: <8CD47F156E3B094-141C-9E785@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD47F156E3B094-141C-9E785@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Which reminds me, I'm thinking of putting my 24' enclosed up for sale locally (Albany, NY) if anyone here would like first shot. 24' haulmark, 8'wide, work bench, 110v lighting, generator door/enclosure, rear door winches down (rather than sprung) using on board 110V electric winch, observation deck on the roof (needs new plywood decking). Bob On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:33 AM, wrote: > Sean would like to have a different trailer that suits his purposes > better. > > Enclosed with clamshell openings front and rear... > aluminum frame > two new 3500# axles with electric brakes. > electric winch > > it occurs to me that i will be taking trailer to LA area, the week of the > 8th > of Nov, and could deliver there or on a return route. > > $1850 > > THANKS! > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From riverside at southslope.net Mon Nov 1 12:53:46 2010 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:53:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] head torque Message-ID: <002601cb79f6$1e24e040$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Does a hot stud stretch more than a cold one at a given torque spec? If so, what are the implications if any? art de armond From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Nov 1 15:37:42 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 22:37:42 +0100 Subject: [Fot] head torque In-Reply-To: <002601cb79f6$1e24e040$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <002601cb79f6$1e24e040$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <000e01cb7a0d$08300780$18901680$@com> A long hot bolt expand from heat, more than a short one. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von riverside Gesendet: Montag, 1. November 2010 19:54 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] head torque Does a hot stud stretch more than a cold one at a given torque spec? If so, what are the implications if any? art de armond _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Nov 1 18:57:16 2010 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 20:57:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Tires Message-ID: What tires are folks running in Vintage on their Spitfires these days? Thanks, Marty From budscars at comcast.net Mon Nov 1 19:12:52 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 18:12:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Tires References: Message-ID: Hi Marty...It depends on the Sanctioning group..I use Dunlop Vintage Racing 135/545/13.....that's as wide as a Spitfire is allowed to use with CSRG...It's very period correct to 1967 rules...which we agree to adhere to. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 5:57 PM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Tires > What tires are folks running in Vintage on their Spitfires these days? > > Thanks, > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From bluebit at comcast.net Mon Nov 1 19:34:09 2010 From: bluebit at comcast.net (Jim%20Roelofs) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 01:34:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Check out my photos on Facebook In-Reply-To: <8bb78e0a42c860b20990ff8c7367caab@www.facebook.com> Message-ID: <636525842.339784.1288661649314.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I am sorry and do not know how this invitation was sent. Please disregard. Jim Roelofs 303-862-9371 (h) 303-629-3545 (w) bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred) ----- Original Message ----- From: "James E Roelofs" To: "Friends Of Triumph" Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 8:45:36 PM Subject: [Fot] Check out my photos on Facebook Hi Friends, I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. Thanks, James To sign up for Facebook, follow the link below: http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=100000090934512&k=Z6E3Y5WRUW4CZCFJPB63QUVZR3B 1X33NUWHYFD3BQT&r Already have an account? Add this email address to your account: http://www.facebook.com/n/?merge_accounts.php&e=fot%40autox.team.net&c=e1d8b2 c84ed5c4bb2237931fde46d39f ======================================= fot at autox.team.net was invited to join Facebook by James E Roelofs. If you do not wish to receive this type of email from Facebook in the future, please follow the link below to unsubscribe. http://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=74f522&u=100001791913713&mid=33826fdG5af37b48 aef1G0G8 Facebook, Inc. P.O. Box 10005, Palo Alto, CA 94303 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bluebit at comcast.net From ac at camoletti.ch Tue Nov 2 05:31:09 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 12:31:09 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Shell Rotella Message-ID: <001e01cb7a81$72909940$57b1cbc0$@camoletti.ch> Gentlemen, Following the informative exchange about running in oils, I still wonder what Rotella (there are several variations) you use for initial run in ? We European based folks will have to buy from the US as the Rotella family of oils is available only in North America and Thailand. In Europe Shell have the Rimula family for heavy duty (buses, lorries, etc), but it will not be up to the job, see below: I discussed this morning with an engineer of Shell in Switzerland. The Rimula lorries oils are totally different from the Rotella family, as diesel engine design in Europe and US is quite different and the oils are based on the engines used locally. Shell even have specific oils for Switzerland (tiny country with barely 7 million inhabitants) ! The engineer explained that the Shell oils here for passenger cars have low formulations of Zinc and Phosphorus (well below 1000/million). He searched his analysis database and came with a RIMULA "universal" oil (both for trains, cars, lorries, etc, heavy and light duty use) in 10W40-or 15W40 with content of 1200/million Zinc ad 1000/million Phosphorus. It is the RIMULA R3-U+ 10W40 or 15W40. As it seems a bit low in Zinc and Phosphorus (Greg Solow advised 1600 and 1300 respectively), I will buy Rotella in the US. So what Rotella do you use for engine start up? Thank you ! Cheers Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : Alexandre Camoletti [mailto:ac at camoletti.ch] Envoyi : lundi 1 novembre 2010 09:47 @ : 'Greg Solow' Objet : RE: [Fot] engine break-in Thank you Greg! Inf act what type of Rotella should be used for initial engine start up, just searched a little bit and found it is a family of oils with many different ones? And apparently Rotella is not available in Europe, only in North America and Thailand according to shell.com Here for lorries Shell proposes various grades/qualities of RIMULA. I will ask them the phosphorus and zinc content. Thank you again ! Cheers Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : Greg Solow [mailto:gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com] Envoyi : samedi 30 octobre 2010 08:39 @ : Alexandre Camoletti; Friends of Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] engine break-in You may be able to contact Shell Oil technical services in Europe..They could tell you the Zinc and Phosphorus content of the Shell Rotella oils available in Europe. I would bet they are the same as here. The "automotive Diesel" grade oils that are sold here, were formulated for European Diesel engine cars to meet the car manufacturer's specs. You are looking for over 1600 parts per million of Zink and 1300 parts per million of Phosphorus. Greg Solow From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Nov 2 06:20:18 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 13:20:18 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Shell Rotella In-Reply-To: <001e01cb7a81$72909940$57b1cbc0$@camoletti.ch> References: <001e01cb7a81$72909940$57b1cbc0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <000601cb7a88$514af940$f3e0ebc0$@com> I never bothered much with special oils. I fill in my racing oil and treat the engine badly from the beginning on. 10W60 or 5W50 oil from the big brands and here we go. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Alexandre Camoletti Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. November 2010 12:31 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Shell Rotella Gentlemen, Following the informative exchange about running in oils, I still wonder what Rotella (there are several variations) you use for initial run in ? We European based folks will have to buy from the US as the Rotella family of oils is available only in North America and Thailand. In Europe Shell have the Rimula family for heavy duty (buses, lorries, etc), but it will not be up to the job, see below: I discussed this morning with an engineer of Shell in Switzerland. The Rimula lorries oils are totally different from the Rotella family, as diesel engine design in Europe and US is quite different and the oils are based on the engines used locally. Shell even have specific oils for Switzerland (tiny country with barely 7 million inhabitants) ! The engineer explained that the Shell oils here for passenger cars have low formulations of Zinc and Phosphorus (well below 1000/million). He searched his analysis database and came with a RIMULA "universal" oil (both for trains, cars, lorries, etc, heavy and light duty use) in 10W40-or 15W40 with content of 1200/million Zinc ad 1000/million Phosphorus. It is the RIMULA R3-U+ 10W40 or 15W40. As it seems a bit low in Zinc and Phosphorus (Greg Solow advised 1600 and 1300 respectively), I will buy Rotella in the US. So what Rotella do you use for engine start up? Thank you ! Cheers Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : Alexandre Camoletti [mailto:ac at camoletti.ch] Envoyi : lundi 1 novembre 2010 09:47 @ : 'Greg Solow' Objet : RE: [Fot] engine break-in Thank you Greg! Inf act what type of Rotella should be used for initial engine start up, just searched a little bit and found it is a family of oils with many different ones? And apparently Rotella is not available in Europe, only in North America and Thailand according to shell.com Here for lorries Shell proposes various grades/qualities of RIMULA. I will ask them the phosphorus and zinc content. Thank you again ! Cheers Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : Greg Solow [mailto:gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com] Envoyi : samedi 30 octobre 2010 08:39 @ : Alexandre Camoletti; Friends of Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] engine break-in You may be able to contact Shell Oil technical services in Europe..They could tell you the Zinc and Phosphorus content of the Shell Rotella oils available in Europe. I would bet they are the same as here. The "automotive Diesel" grade oils that are sold here, were formulated for European Diesel engine cars to meet the car manufacturer's specs. You are looking for over 1600 parts per million of Zink and 1300 parts per million of Phosphorus. Greg Solow _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Nov 2 08:50:44 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:50:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] engine break-in In-Reply-To: <20101029062931.9E217187669@autox.team.net> References: <20101028.191124.14831.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> <7.1.0.9.0.20101029011527.049f4e90@tonydrews.com> <20101029062931.9E217187669@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4CD02544.1090705@pobox.com> Another reason for the 20 minutes at 2000 to 2500 RPM is that it reduces the stress on the cam. The highest stress point is on the nose of the cam due to the high spring force and small radius of curvature. When running the inertial forces will act counter to the spring force and reduce the stress at the nose of the cam. Another way to reduce the stress is to run only the outer springs during breakin. I have never done this, but it sounds like a good idea and it can't hurt. Installing the inner springs is not difficult with the correct tool. Larry On 10/29/2010 1:30 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > Oops - too long, forgot to . > > The 20 to 25 minutes at 2000 to 2500 (with high zddp oil) is key to > the cam and lifters. I do that with every rebuild in the garage. > That's usually a great time to have a beer to celebrate and to let me > neighbors know that I still have the race car. > > - Tony Drews From ac at camoletti.ch Tue Nov 2 09:53:01 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:53:01 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tr3 Cylinder pressures Message-ID: <002201cb7aa6$07ca9d70$175fd850$@camoletti.ch> Gentlemen, How can I calculate the cylinder pressures in a TR3A head, with 87 mm Mahle flat pistons and 10:1 compression ratio ? Stroke is standard. If it is possible at all, as it may depend on inlet flow capabilities I suppose. Engine will run extensively flowed SU 1 3/4 H6 as well as also much flown inlet manifold (base is the stock item, but no increase in tube ID, just radiusing everything corner) and larger (1.634'') and modern shape inlet valves. If this info is of use for the question. Thank you ! Cheers! Alex From ac at camoletti.ch Tue Nov 2 10:13:03 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:13:03 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <002201cb7aa6$07ca9d70$175fd850$@camoletti.ch> References: <002201cb7aa6$07ca9d70$175fd850$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <004001cb7aa8$d44f91f0$7ceeb5d0$@camoletti.ch> But the cam specs and "intensity" certainly has an influence as well on pressures. Engine is not built yet and the info is needed by Jeff Schlemmer (www.advanceddistributors.com) to recalibrate original distributor accordingly. He can live without but the recurving would be better suited with some idea of the cylinder pressures. Cam is a Piper 3TR specs by TR Enterprises (a think it is a special grind for them) with 3000; 40/80-80/40, lift .452-.450''but as Simon Watson told me, cam is not so extreme it may look from the numbers, so it is relatively tractable mid range, if this info may help on the subject. Or did Simon have the opportunity to measure cylinder pressures with this cam installed and a CR of approx. 10:1 ? -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Alexandre Camoletti Envoyi : mardi 2 novembre 2010 16:53 @ : fot at autox.team.net Objet : [Fot] Tr3 Cylinder pressures Gentlemen, How can I calculate the cylinder pressures in a TR3A head, with 87 mm Mahle flat pistons and 10:1 compression ratio ? Stroke is standard. If it is possible at all, as it may depend on inlet flow capabilities I suppose. Engine will run extensively flowed SU 1 3/4 H6 as well as also much flown inlet manifold (base is the stock item, but no increase in tube ID, just radiusing everything corner) and larger (1.634'') and modern shape inlet valves. If this info is of use for the question. Thank you ! Cheers! Alex _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Nov 2 10:46:15 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:46:15 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <004001cb7aa8$d44f91f0$7ceeb5d0$@camoletti.ch> References: <002201cb7aa6$07ca9d70$175fd850$@camoletti.ch> <004001cb7aa8$d44f91f0$7ceeb5d0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> I'm not sure what you are looking for but with a similar cam and 10:1 I had 13,5 bar compression, with 11:1 it is 14,5. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Alexandre Camoletti Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. November 2010 17:13 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tr3 Cylinder pressures But the cam specs and "intensity" certainly has an influence as well on pressures. Engine is not built yet and the info is needed by Jeff Schlemmer (www.advanceddistributors.com) to recalibrate original distributor accordingly. He can live without but the recurving would be better suited with some idea of the cylinder pressures. Cam is a Piper 3TR specs by TR Enterprises (a think it is a special grind for them) with 3000; 40/80-80/40, lift .452-.450''but as Simon Watson told me, cam is not so extreme it may look from the numbers, so it is relatively tractable mid range, if this info may help on the subject. Or did Simon have the opportunity to measure cylinder pressures with this cam installed and a CR of approx. 10:1 ? -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Alexandre Camoletti Envoyi : mardi 2 novembre 2010 16:53 @ : fot at autox.team.net Objet : [Fot] Tr3 Cylinder pressures Gentlemen, How can I calculate the cylinder pressures in a TR3A head, with 87 mm Mahle flat pistons and 10:1 compression ratio ? Stroke is standard. If it is possible at all, as it may depend on inlet flow capabilities I suppose. Engine will run extensively flowed SU 1 3/4 H6 as well as also much flown inlet manifold (base is the stock item, but no increase in tube ID, just radiusing everything corner) and larger (1.634'') and modern shape inlet valves. If this info is of use for the question. Thank you ! Cheers! Alex _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Nov 2 11:10:37 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 10:10:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> Message-ID: <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> Pretty sure that what he's looking for is brake mean effective pressure (BMEP) which is rarely measured--it's a calculated value. Alexandre, I don't know what your tuner is up to, but you really can't get there from here. To calculate BMEP you need to measure torque and cylinder volume, then do the math. For what it's worth, these engines are nowhere near theoretical limits so the bmep would likely be 7 to 8.5 bar. No idea what he'll do with that. Begin forwarded message: > From: "MadMarx" > Date: November 2, 2010 9:46:15 AM PDT > To: "'Alexandre Camoletti'" , > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr3 Cylinder pressures > > I'm not sure what you are looking for but with a similar cam and 10:1 I had > 13,5 bar compression, with 11:1 it is 14,5. > > Cheers > Chris From harmug at us.ibm.com Tue Nov 2 11:36:08 2010 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 13:36:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] What tires are folks running in Vintage on their Spitfires these days? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Marty, I run the Hoosier Street TDs. I bought a set for the Limerock Fall race and the distributor told me that they were one of the last old sets available. Hoosier has a new compound for them and a friend was using the new compound at Limerock. He said they didn't come up to temperature as quickly as the old compound. He spun the car a few times, which is something I rarely see him do, but he was happy with them once they got up to temp. mike From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Nov 2 11:49:42 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 10:49:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> Message-ID: <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> > For what it's worth, these engines are > nowhere near > theoretical limits so the bmep would likely be 7 to 8.5 bar. OTOH, the TR2 workshop manual has a curve that shows approx 9.8 bar around peak torque (3000-3500 rpm). -- Randall From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Nov 2 12:56:13 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:56:13 EDT Subject: [Fot] Paging Ostronski (sp?) Message-ID: I can find your email address. Some news about John Weinberger. Thanks, Joe From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Nov 2 15:13:24 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:13:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve guide shape Message-ID: <20101102211343.28142187644@autox.team.net> FoT I'm looking for opinions on how to treat the valve guides as they are in the intake and exhaust runners. I've seen bullet shaped guides and heard of guides shaved flush with port wall. Input is appreciated as always, Jim G From billb at bnj.com Tue Nov 2 15:26:56 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:26:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4D40823E-645F-4760-B657-7EC8FBC2A767@bnj.com> Hmm, that works out to 262 HP for a 2 liter engine at 6000 RPM. Of course I don't know what RPM that BMEP is at. But I'd like to have that motor in Peyote. On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Randall wrote: >> For what it's worth, these engines are >> nowhere near >> theoretical limits so the bmep would likely be 7 to 8.5 bar. > > OTOH, the TR2 workshop manual has a curve that shows approx 9.8 bar around > peak torque (3000-3500 rpm). > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From billbab at me.com Tue Nov 2 15:32:24 2010 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 14:32:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <4D40823E-645F-4760-B657-7EC8FBC2A767@bnj.com> References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> <4D40823E-645F-4760-B657-7EC8FBC2A767@bnj.com> Message-ID: Oops, didn't notice the 300-3500. Assuming 350 and a 2 liter motor thats 153 horsepower. I'll take it. On Nov 2, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Hmm, that works out to 262 HP for a 2 liter engine at 6000 RPM. Of course I don't know what RPM that BMEP is at. But I'd like to have that motor in Peyote. > > > On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Randall wrote: > >>> For what it's worth, these engines are >>> nowhere near >>> theoretical limits so the bmep would likely be 7 to 8.5 bar. >> >> OTOH, the TR2 workshop manual has a curve that shows approx 9.8 bar around >> peak torque (3000-3500 rpm). >> >> -- Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From kaskas at cox.net Tue Nov 2 16:10:15 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:10:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve guide shape In-Reply-To: <20101102211343.28142187644@autox.team.net> References: <20101102211343.28142187644@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1C8713562C0D450DBA7BC8390AAF27CA@KasPC> I've tried every manner possible and after running then in the dyno I think that grinding the thing flush gave the best results. BUT, very difficult to really see any power difference. I have been lead down the garden path so many times with flow bench numbers I don't believe any of them now. Experience will cover the testing. If you do a head job a couple times a year then I think that is the way. You do remove part of the support for the valve so if you do not pay attention to valve gear and replace stuff in a reasonable time fashion then, I recommend making the top of the guide into a cone and then put them in after the porting job. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Gray" Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 2:13 PM To: "Friends of triumph" Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve guide shape > FoT > > I'm looking for opinions on how to treat the valve guides as > > they are in the intake and exhaust runners. > > I've seen bullet shaped guides and heard of guides shaved flush with > > port wall. > > Input is appreciated as always, > > > > Jim G > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Nov 2 16:24:36 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:24:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> <4D40823E-645F-4760-B657-7EC8FBC2A767@bnj.com> Message-ID: <062401cb7adc$bc3254c0$3496fe40$@rr.com> > Oops, didn't notice the 300-3500. Assuming 350 and a 2 liter motor > thats 153 horsepower. I'll take it. Check again, I think you used the conversion for a 2-cycle engine. Divide by 2 for a 4-stroke. -- Randall From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Tue Nov 2 16:43:43 2010 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 18:43:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Special Appearance of the Grill BAdge at Summit Point Turkey Bowl Message-ID: <9ACAF652-8D74-4881-BEAB-1CDD434BCA8D@aol.com> Amici, If there is enough interest there will be an appearance of the first FOT Grill Badge. So, Who is going? I will not be there, but a fellow FOT-er will be with the badge. Chris From billb at bnj.com Tue Nov 2 16:58:50 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:58:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <062401cb7adc$bc3254c0$3496fe40$@rr.com> References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> <4D40823E-645F-4760-B657-7EC8FBC2A767@bnj.com> <062401cb7adc$bc3254c0$3496fe40$@rr.com> Message-ID: <7AA82A5A-B0BE-4487-915D-84DE234D8623@bnj.com> Oops again. Yeah, I used 6500 instead of 13000. On Nov 2, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Randall wrote: >> Oops, didn't notice the 300-3500. Assuming 350 and a 2 liter motor >> thats 153 horsepower. I'll take it. > > Check again, I think you used the conversion for a 2-cycle engine. Divide > by 2 for a 4-stroke. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Nov 2 17:11:24 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:11:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <7AA82A5A-B0BE-4487-915D-84DE234D8623@bnj.com> References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> <4D40823E-645F-4760-B657-7EC8FBC2A767@bnj.com> <062401cb7adc$bc3254c0$3496fe40$@rr.com> <7AA82A5A-B0BE-4487-915D-84DE234D8623@bnj.com> Message-ID: <063001cb7ae3$48ec1f30$dac45d90$@rr.com> > Oops again. Yeah, I used 6500 instead of 13000. Anyway, my point was not to argue about the numbers, only that BMEP varies with rpm and drops off significantly at higher rpms, due to restriction in the intake and exhaust. Your 7 to 8.5 bar (roughly 100 to 120 psi) is probably reasonable at the revs these engines see on the race track, since folks are presumably pushing the upper limits of breathing. None of which, unfortunately, gets Alexandre what he wants, which is presumably BMEP across the rev range he is planning to run at, for the purposes of guessing at optimum timing. With head porting and camshaft design being the black arts they are, I suspect the only good way to answer the question is to run the motor on a dyno and measure it. Of course, getting best power implies finding the best timing first, so might as well keep that rather than going through the BMEP calculation. Anyway, that's my theory -- Randall From billb at bnj.com Tue Nov 2 18:07:20 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:07:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <063001cb7ae3$48ec1f30$dac45d90$@rr.com> References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> <4D40823E-645F-4760-B657-7EC8FBC2A767@bnj.com> <062401cb7adc$bc3254c0$3496fe40$@rr.com> <7AA82A5A-B0BE-4487-915D-84DE234D8623@bnj.com> <063001cb7ae3$48ec1f30$dac45d90$@rr.com> Message-ID: And my point exactly. On Nov 2, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Randall wrote: >> Oops again. Yeah, I used 6500 instead of 13000. > > Anyway, my point was not to argue about the numbers, only that BMEP varies > with rpm and drops off significantly at higher rpms, due to restriction in > the intake and exhaust. Your 7 to 8.5 bar (roughly 100 to 120 psi) is > probably reasonable at the revs these engines see on the race track, since > folks are presumably pushing the upper limits of breathing. > > None of which, unfortunately, gets Alexandre what he wants, which is > presumably BMEP across the rev range he is planning to run at, for the > purposes of guessing at optimum timing. With head porting and camshaft > design being the black arts they are, I suspect the only good way to answer > the question is to run the motor on a dyno and measure it. Of course, > getting best power implies finding the best timing first, so might as well > keep that rather than going through the BMEP calculation. > > Anyway, that's my theory > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 3 08:39:36 2010 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 10:39:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Special Appearance of the Grill BAdge at Summit Point Turkey Bowl In-Reply-To: <9ACAF652-8D74-4881-BEAB-1CDD434BCA8D@aol.com> References: <9ACAF652-8D74-4881-BEAB-1CDD434BCA8D@aol.com> Message-ID: > If there is enough interest there will be an appearance of the > first FOT Grill Badge. > > So, Who is going? > > I will not be there, but a fellow FOT-er will be with the badge. > > > Chris I will be there as a spectator. I did not order a badge. John H. From ac at camoletti.ch Wed Nov 3 08:47:12 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 15:47:12 +0100 Subject: [Fot] engine break-in In-Reply-To: <04e501cb79eb$6ebb5f80$4c321e80$@rr.com> References: <001801cb7741$02ae7b80$080b7280$@camoletti.ch> <1CCE8B51FCC348C6B307A4FB3E29607C@your89d26e0447> <4CCEF0C3.7090309@pobox.com> <04e501cb79eb$6ebb5f80$4c321e80$@rr.com> Message-ID: <001401cb7b66$04ad54a0$0e07fde0$@camoletti.ch> Upon checking additives, I got the info from their tech that 1 bottle of Crane break in concentrate ($8.95 for 8 oz, Ref 99003-1) will increase the ZDDP in 5 quarts of oil by 400 parts per million. Seems the way to go to make sure we have enough ZDDP in our oils -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Randall Envoyi : lundi 1 novembre 2010 18:37 Cc : 'FOT' Objet : Re: [Fot] engine break-in > I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that Shell Rotella oil > was still using the high zinc (SAE SJ rating) for some time after the > automotive oils had switched to the new low zinc SM rating, but it now > has the low zinc rating as well. They did reduce ZDDP content slightly a few years ago. The document I have indicates that the 'old' Rotella T CI-4 had 1400 ppm zinc, while the 'new' Rotella T CJ-4 has "only" 1210 ppm zinc. But that is still almost twice that allowed for SM oil. And FWIW, they claim to have other, extra additives that make up the difference. The same document claims the new oil now contains 35 ppm of Boron while the old one contained none. That may or may not actually mean anything of course, but I have seen boron-based additives mentioned in the search for a ZDDP replacement. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From rikrock at live.com Wed Nov 3 09:18:44 2010 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 11:18:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Special Appearance of the Grill BAdge at Summit Point Turkey Bowl In-Reply-To: References: <9ACAF652-8D74-4881-BEAB-1CDD434BCA8D@aol.com>, Message-ID: I'll be there with my TR-6-powered TVR. I haven't ordered a badge, but I would like to see one. Rich Rock From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Nov 3 12:27:57 2010 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 14:27:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Grill badge Message-ID: Amici The order is placed! The check is sent. If you haven't paid got one yet, you have till Monday. That is when the manufacturing begins. Last chance. From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Nov 3 20:34:01 2010 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 22:34:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Phone Contacts Message-ID: My cell phone took a dump last night and all my contacts went south. I had collected cell numbers from a bunch of my Triumph friends and would like to get them back. If you had given me your cell number in the past would you mind shooting me an email at trmarty at hotmail.com with your number so I can put it back in my contacts? Oh, buy the way.....BACK UP YOUR CONTACTS! Thanks, Marty Sukey From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Nov 4 13:36:28 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 15:36:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 Message-ID: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> Friends of Triumph John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: Venue Laguna Seca Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 Sanctioning Body HMSA Planning: Dialogue is proceeding with HMSA regarding the details of the Kastner Cup There will be a meeting in Los Angeles the week of the 15th of November There may be further discussion at the VMC annual meeting in KC I had a conversation with VTR today and we will be discussing their involvement. We will be expecting some sponsorships....there are a couple of obvious ones. Mark your calendars. There are several making a family vacation out of this event. (We are going to try to bring two cars, if the winter goes well) By the first of December we should be able to provide another round of information, but it was important to get this news out ASAP. The goal will be in excess of 50 entries. It IS acheivable. Joe Alexander From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Nov 4 14:27:44 2010 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 15:27:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 In-Reply-To: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> References: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> Message-ID: So that is Mon, Tues, Wed. If I left Friday afternoon I could get there for Mondays races, and have a lazy schedule home. I could make this a one week vacation, which I can't do with the typical weekend event. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the keys to your success. ~Mac Anderson -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 Friends of Triumph John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: Venue Laguna Seca Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 Sanctioning Body HMSA Planning: Dialogue is proceeding with HMSA regarding the details of the Kastner Cup There will be a meeting in Los Angeles the week of the 15th of November There may be further discussion at the VMC annual meeting in KC I had a conversation with VTR today and we will be discussing their involvement. We will be expecting some sponsorships....there are a couple of obvious ones. Mark your calendars. There are several making a family vacation out of this event. (We are going to try to bring two cars, if the winter goes well) By the first of December we should be able to provide another round of information, but it was important to get this news out ASAP. The goal will be in excess of 50 entries. It IS acheivable. Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Nov 4 14:39:49 2010 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 20:39:49 +0000 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 Message-ID: <1719009819-1288903191-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2145323834-@bda2226.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> What a great and historic track. So very appropriate. Congrats to John and those who made this a reality! M ------Original Message------ From: Joe Alexander Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 Sent: Nov 4, 2010 12:36 PM Friends of Triumph John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: Venue Laguna Seca Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 Sanctioning Body HMSA Planning: Dialogue is proceeding with HMSA regarding the details of the Kastner Cup There will be a meeting in Los Angeles the week of the 15th of November There may be further discussion at the VMC annual meeting in KC I had a conversation with VTR today and we will be discussing their involvement. We will be expecting some sponsorships....there are a couple of obvious ones. Mark your calendars. There are several making a family vacation out of this event. (We are going to try to bring two cars, if the winter goes well) By the first of December we should be able to provide another round of information, but it was important to get this news out ASAP. The goal will be in excess of 50 entries. It IS acheivable. Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From billb at bnj.com Thu Nov 4 15:30:25 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 14:30:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 In-Reply-To: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> References: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> Message-ID: <4D1A05D2-7100-48E3-BB82-3AEC65F7ACCB@bnj.com> Are those dates correct? The 6th of june is a Monday. On Nov 4, 2010, at 12:36 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Friends of Triumph > > John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: > > Venue Laguna Seca > Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 > Sanctioning Body HMSA > > Planning: > > Dialogue is proceeding with HMSA regarding the details of the Kastner Cup > There will be a meeting in Los Angeles the week of the 15th of November > There may be further discussion at the VMC annual meeting in KC > I had a conversation with VTR today and we will be discussing their > involvement. > We will be expecting some sponsorships....there are a couple of obvious > ones. > > Mark your calendars. There are several making a family vacation out of > this event. (We are going to try to bring two cars, if the winter goes well) > > By the first of December we should be able to provide another round of > information, but it was important to get this news out ASAP. > > The goal will be in excess of 50 entries. It IS acheivable. > > Joe Alexander From kaskas at cox.net Thu Nov 4 15:55:56 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 14:55:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 In-Reply-To: <4D1A05D2-7100-48E3-BB82-3AEC65F7ACCB@bnj.com> References: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> <4D1A05D2-7100-48E3-BB82-3AEC65F7ACCB@bnj.com> Message-ID: It has to be 3,4,& 5th or 4, 5, & 6th for 2011. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Babcock" Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:30 PM To: Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 > Are those dates correct? The 6th of june is a Monday. > > On Nov 4, 2010, at 12:36 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > >> Friends of Triumph >> >> John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: >> >> Venue Laguna Seca >> Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 >> Sanctioning Body HMSA >> >> Planning: >> >> Dialogue is proceeding with HMSA regarding the details of the Kastner Cup >> There will be a meeting in Los Angeles the week of the 15th of November >> There may be further discussion at the VMC annual meeting in KC >> I had a conversation with VTR today and we will be discussing their >> involvement. >> We will be expecting some sponsorships....there are a couple of obvious >> ones. >> >> Mark your calendars. There are several making a family vacation out of >> this event. (We are going to try to bring two cars, if the winter goes > well) >> >> By the first of December we should be able to provide another round of >> information, but it was important to get this news out ASAP. >> >> The goal will be in excess of 50 entries. It IS acheivable. >> >> Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 16:00:15 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 15:00:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 In-Reply-To: <4D1A05D2-7100-48E3-BB82-3AEC65F7ACCB@bnj.com> References: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> <4D1A05D2-7100-48E3-BB82-3AEC65F7ACCB@bnj.com> Message-ID: This is a midweek event. That's why its non-restricted for sound and we can get such a great month. On Nov 4, 2010 2:52 PM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: > Are those dates correct? The 6th of june is a Monday. > > On Nov 4, 2010, at 12:36 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > >> Friends of Triumph >> >> John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: >> >> Venue Laguna Seca >> Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 >> Sanctioning Body HMSA >> >> Planning: >> >> Dialogue is proceeding with HMSA regarding the details of the Kastner Cup >> There will be a meeting in Los Angeles the week of the 15th of November >> There may be further discussion at the VMC annual meeting in KC >> I had a conversation with VTR today and we will be discussing their >> involvement. >> We will be expecting some sponsorships....there are a couple of obvious >> ones. >> >> Mark your calendars. There are several making a family vacation out of >> this event. (We are going to try to bring two cars, if the winter goes > well) >> >> By the first of December we should be able to provide another round of >> information, but it was important to get this news out ASAP. >> >> The goal will be in excess of 50 entries. It IS acheivable. >> >> Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Nov 4 16:05:22 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 18:05:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> Message-ID: <8CD4A8382A0DCA4-168-3B4D@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Bob, for the reply...we should figure for Monday arrival. Unclear about track time on Monday. Track time on Monday is under discussion.....we have a short lead time on planning and negotiations but sooner or later everything is negotiable. Usually, the best negotiations are a win/win in both the short term and more importantly, the long term. This event will be as good as we make it.... It has the promise of being one of the best of the Kastner Cup Series, to date. Joe Alexander -----Original Message----- From: Kramer, Robert To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Nov 4, 2010 3:27 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 So that is Mon, Tues, Wed. If I left Friday afternoon I could get there for Mondays races, and have a lazy schedule home. I could make this a one week vacation, which I can't do with the typical weekend event. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the keys to your success. ~Mac Anderson -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 Friends of Triumph John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: Venue Laguna Seca Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 Sanctioning Body HMSA Planning: Dialogue is proceeding with HMSA regarding the details of the Kastner Cup There will be a meeting in Los Angeles the week of the 15th of November There may be further discussion at the VMC annual meeting in KC I had a conversation with VTR today and we will be discussing their involvement. We will be expecting some sponsorships....there are a couple of obvious ones. Mark your calendars. There are several making a family vacation out of this event. (We are going to try to bring two cars, if the winter goes well) By the first of December we should be able to provide another round of information, but it was important to get this news out ASAP. The goal will be in excess of 50 entries. It IS acheivable. Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Thu Nov 4 20:50:46 2010 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 12:50:46 +1000 Subject: [Fot] chasing TR lower shock mount plate Message-ID: can anyone sell me 1 front lower shocky to pan mounting plate, new or used. same as TR4 I think thanks, terry o'beirne, australia From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Nov 5 00:02:24 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 01:02:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> <4D1A05D2-7100-48E3-BB82-3AEC65F7ACCB@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20101105060153.D08E118764E@autox.team.net> I LOVE that timing - turns it from a "take two weeks off" to "take a week and a couple of days off". - Tony Drews At 05:00 PM 11/4/2010, John Nikas wrote: >This is a midweek event. That's why its non-restricted for sound and we can >get such a great month. >On Nov 4, 2010 2:52 PM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: > > Are those dates correct? The 6th of june is a Monday. > > > > On Nov 4, 2010, at 12:36 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > >> Friends of Triumph > >> > >> John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: > >> > >> Venue Laguna Seca > >> Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 > >> Sanctioning Body HMSA > >> > >> Planning: From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Nov 5 07:17:46 2010 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 09:17:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Grill Badge Update 11-5-2010 Message-ID: Amici The check has been sent and the order placed. 95 badges were wanted. I ordered a few extras just in case. I was told that in 4 weeks they should be done. That means around December 3 or so. Even if they are a week late everyone should have them by Christmas. Any questions please ask From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Nov 5 07:39:22 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:39:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Website is open for business Message-ID: <8CD4B05FD6DEE7D-11C8-B524@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I noticed that Kas is taking pre-orders for his latest book. KAS' TRIUMPHS I suspect that he would be pleased to get orders from the FOT and would likely personalize them. He will have the books by the week of the 15th of November, so you might give him a head start on doing labels. Joe A From gt6steve at aol.com Fri Nov 5 07:58:18 2010 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:58:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Grill Badge Update 11-5-2010 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD4B08A237CD79-16E0-CA05@webmail-m061.sysops.aol.com> Thanx for all this effort on our behalf.... -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: FoTTriumph Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:17 am Subject: [Fot] Grill Badge Update 11-5-2010 Amici The check has been sent and the order placed. 95 badges were wanted. I ordered few extras just in case. I was told that in 4 weeks they should be done. That means around December 3 r so. Even if they are a week late everyone should have them by Christmas. Any questions please ask ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From andre at gt6.ca Fri Nov 5 08:08:20 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:08:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Website is open for business In-Reply-To: <8CD4B05FD6DEE7D-11C8-B524@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD4B05FD6DEE7D-11C8-B524@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Ordering now. Nice xmas gift from the wife to me. ;) A. On 5 November 2010 09:39, wrote: > FOT, > > I noticed that Kas is taking pre-orders for his latest book. KAS' TRIUMPHS > > I suspect that he would be pleased to get orders from the FOT and would likely > personalize them. > > He will have the books by the week of the 15th of November, so you might give > him a head start on doing labels. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Nov 5 08:42:51 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 10:42:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Website is open for business In-Reply-To: <13ce3a.15fbcb39.3a05678a@aol.com> References: <13ce3a.15fbcb39.3a05678a@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD4B0EDB8D1312-610-A29A@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> kaskastner.com is Kas' website. Lot's of information in there, too. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: REK46 at aol.com To: n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:58 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas' Website is open for business whats his website? In a message dated 11/5/2010 9:55:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: FOT, I noticed that Kas is taking pre-orders for his latest book. KAS' TRIUMPHS I suspect that he would be pleased to get orders from the FOT and would likely personalize them. He will have the books by the week of the 15th of November, so you might give him a head start on doing labels. Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Nov 5 08:55:03 2010 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:55:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1500 competition prep manual Message-ID: <4282BB61-ABCE-433A-8FE3-C3E04DC3231F@aol.com> Amici I currently have a first revision of the manual. My questions are, how many revisions are there and what is the difference between them? Also is there one out there that has all the information from all the revisions in one? From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Fri Nov 5 08:55:26 2010 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 14:55:26 +0000 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 In-Reply-To: <20101105060153.D08E118764E@autox.team.net> References: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com><4D1A05D2-7100-48E3-BB82-3AEC65F7ACCB@bnj.com><20101105060153.D08E118764E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I think someone I know is another year older on day 1 of the race. Oh wait, that is me! I would usually have something negative to say about my annual aging day, but this one will be a lot of fun! Ty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 01:02:24 To: Subject: Re: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 I LOVE that timing - turns it from a "take two weeks off" to "take a week and a couple of days off". - Tony Drews At 05:00 PM 11/4/2010, John Nikas wrote: >This is a midweek event. That's why its non-restricted for sound and we can >get such a great month. >On Nov 4, 2010 2:52 PM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: > > Are those dates correct? The 6th of june is a Monday. > > > > On Nov 4, 2010, at 12:36 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > >> Friends of Triumph > >> > >> John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: > >> > >> Venue Laguna Seca > >> Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 > >> Sanctioning Body HMSA > >> > >> Planning: _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Nov 5 08:59:53 2010 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:59:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Website is open for business In-Reply-To: <8CD4B05FD6DEE7D-11C8-B524@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD4B05FD6DEE7D-11C8-B524@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9350C7BB-E135-4131-A3AE-9E17D826A78D@aol.com> I want to get this. How does one go about asking for a signed one from the man himself? This would help in my 1500 spit racer I am slowly building Chris On Nov 5, 2010, at 9:39 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT, > > I noticed that Kas is taking pre-orders for his latest book. KAS' TRIUMPHS > > I suspect that he would be pleased to get orders from the FOT and would likely > personalize them. > > He will have the books by the week of the 15th of November, so you might give > him a head start on doing labels. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Nov 5 10:07:08 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 12:07:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 Message-ID: FOT: Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to run Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. NAME CAR STATE Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week of the 15th of November. Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of budget constraints. Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. Joe A From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 10:36:25 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 09:36:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's unlikely that I will last long enough to run but will ensure that my car (1963 Sebring No. 37) will be available to run. If none of the Southern California guys need it I was thinking of having Simon run it alongside Kieth Files' Sebring car. On Nov 5, 2010 9:29 AM, wrote: > FOT: > > Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to run > Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. > > NAME CAR STATE > > Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week of > the 15th of November. > > Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we > have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of > budget constraints. > > Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Nov 5 11:20:32 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:20:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup /HMSA dates Message-ID: John. Thanks for all your efforts organizing this event. It should be great. I am curious if this will be a full HMSA race event? They don't have a 2011 schedule posted. From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 11:29:13 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:29:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup /HMSA dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cris from HMSA just got a date from SCRAMP on Monday. They are still waiting on a date for another track to publish their schedule. The non-cup groups will be regular HMSA so we will be running with Listers, Ferraris, Jags and Maseratis. For those of you unfamiliar with HMSA they run very nice cars and its quite a coup for them to allow us to run the cup with them. It will be an amazing event with a lot of options for fun off track stuff to do. This will be the best cup yet! On Nov 5, 2010 10:21 AM, "John Frymark" wrote: > John. > > Thanks for all your efforts organizing this event. It should be great. > I am curious if this will be a full HMSA race event? They don't have a > 2011 schedule posted. From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Nov 5 11:41:45 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:41:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup /HMSA dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "..so we will be running with Listers, Ferraris, Jags and Maseratis" That's what I was hoping! The HMSA "Show" will make for a good time. A toned down version of the Historics.... John From jhassall at blacksburg.net Fri Nov 5 13:40:50 2010 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 15:40:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Website is open for business In-Reply-To: <9350C7BB-E135-4131-A3AE-9E17D826A78D@aol.com> References: <8CD4B05FD6DEE7D-11C8-B524@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> <9350C7BB-E135-4131-A3AE-9E17D826A78D@aol.com> Message-ID: <4CD45DC2.2060302@blacksburg.net> On 11/5/2010 10:59 AM, Christopher Bock wrote: > I want to get this. How does one go about asking for a signed one from the man > himself? > > This would help in my 1500 spit racer I am slowly building > > Chris > > I sent a note to Kas and asked him to sign it - he said he would. Let's swamp him w/orders. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From jason at multivintage.com Fri Nov 5 14:24:36 2010 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:24:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Website is open for business In-Reply-To: <9350C7BB-E135-4131-A3AE-9E17D826A78D@aol.com> References: <8CD4B05FD6DEE7D-11C8-B524@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> <9350C7BB-E135-4131-A3AE-9E17D826A78D@aol.com> Message-ID: I found out while racing at the Kastner cup that Kas is very approachable and a a great "regular guy" he loves all our Triumph Enthusiasm. He talked with me at length about anything I asked...A real treat and something I will never forget. He signed a bunch of stuff for me...Best of all MY RACE CAR...Sweet! Just ask him via his web site when you order the book. I think he will be happy to oblige. Maybe he would even trade you a book for a FOT badge. :) Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Christopher Bock wrote: > I want to get this. How does one go about asking for a signed one from the > man > himself? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Nov 5 14:42:27 2010 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 13:42:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna in June Message-ID: Hi All, Bill Hart Seattle Devin TR Tony Garmey TR250 K For those coming in from around the country, General Racing (Steve Earl) are having an event June 3-5 at Infineon which is about 1 1/2 north of Monterey. McLaren is the Featured Marque and 50's sports cars and Post war Grand prix cars will get "special attention" If you think you may wish to enter the whine (wine) & cheese group ..info at generalracing.com. Enteries close Dec 1 Thank you From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Nov 5 15:11:26 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 17:11:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 Message-ID: <8CD4B4524476DB4-CFC-3825@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> For you long tow guys......you can go to Buttonwillow first, drive up the road a piece and pull into the paddock at Laguna Seca. Two great races in California with no dead time in between.....and the potential for driving HWY #1 past the Big Sur. Tell me this isnt great planning......Joe A From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Nov 5 15:16:56 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 17:16:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna in June In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD4B45E924F7E8-CFC-3943@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> oh no! now there are TWO CHOICES... INFINEON! OR BUTTONWILLOW! Thanks, TONY! -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:42 pm Subject: [Fot] Laguna in June Hi All, Bill Hart Seattle Devin TR Tony Garmey TR250 K For those coming in from around the country, General Racing (Steve Earl) are having an event June 3-5 at Infineon which is about 1 1/2 north of Monterey. McLaren is the Featured Marque and 50's sports cars and Post war Grand prix cars will get "special attention" If you think you may wish to enter the whine (wine) & cheese group ..info at generalracing.com. Enteries close Dec 1 Thank you _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From billb at bnj.com Fri Nov 5 15:30:22 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 14:30:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: <8CD4B4524476DB4-CFC-3825@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD4B4524476DB4-CFC-3825@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2402A9D2-61D5-48EE-B77C-CDE981146BD6@bnj.com> Or do it up right, and do the sonoma historic Motorsports festival--June 4-5. It's a great event, Sears point (infineon) is a GREAT track, and it's the california wine country. On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:11 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > For you long tow guys......you can go to Buttonwillow first, drive up the > road a piece and pull into the paddock at Laguna Seca. > > Two great races in California with no dead time in between.....and the > potential for driving HWY #1 past the Big Sur. > > Tell me this isnt great planning......Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From budscars at comcast.net Fri Nov 5 15:31:21 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 14:31:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna in June References: Message-ID: <288C5FC63259498293320C1DE121EB90@Bud> It's the SONOMA HISTORICS...a big event that our town(Sonoma) gets very involved in...the 2010 event had so many cars that we had to use a separate area to pit the Historic Stock cars.....There is a Welcome Banquet for participants..usually Friday evening....then excellent lunches are provided at least Sat and Sunday....On Saturday about 35-50 race cars drive to Sonoma with Highway Patrol Escort for a benefit wine and food tasting and peoples choice car show that is included with your entry, and is open to the public for a fee........in 2010 we did a 'Roving Tech'(we come to your pit to tech your car)...like CSRG...no tech lines...and we started teching on Wednesday afternoon...I expect that's what we'll do in 2011......There may be more features added to the event for 2011.... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony and Annie Garmey" To: Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 1:42 PM Subject: [Fot] Laguna in June > Hi All, > > Bill Hart Seattle Devin TR > Tony Garmey TR250 K > > For those coming in from around the country, General Racing (Steve Earl) > are > having an event June 3-5 at Infineon which is about 1 1/2 north of > Monterey. > McLaren is the Featured Marque and 50's sports cars and Post war Grand > prix > cars will get "special attention" If you think you may wish to enter the > whine > (wine) & cheese group ..info at generalracing.com. Enteries close Dec 1 > > Thank you > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From dos_gusanos at msn.com Fri Nov 5 15:40:06 2010 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:40:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna in June In-Reply-To: <8CD4B45E924F7E8-CFC-3943@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> References: , <8CD4B45E924F7E8-CFC-3943@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: No, really only one choice, that being Sears (Infineon)..............................Cheers Henry Morrison > To: horizonracing at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:16:56 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna in June > > oh no! now there are TWO CHOICES... INFINEON! OR BUTTONWILLOW! > > Thanks, TONY! > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony and Annie Garmey > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:42 pm > Subject: [Fot] Laguna in June > > > Hi All, > > > > Bill Hart Seattle Devin TR > > Tony Garmey TR250 K > > > > For those coming in from around the country, General Racing (Steve Earl) are > > having an event June 3-5 at Infineon which is about 1 1/2 north of Monterey. > > McLaren is the Featured Marque and 50's sports cars and Post war Grand prix > > cars will get "special attention" If you think you may wish to enter the > whine > > (wine) & cheese group ..info at generalracing.com. Enteries close Dec 1 > > > > Thank you > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 16:05:51 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:05:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: <2402A9D2-61D5-48EE-B77C-CDE981146BD6@bnj.com> References: <8CD4B4524476DB4-CFC-3825@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> <2402A9D2-61D5-48EE-B77C-CDE981146BD6@bnj.com> Message-ID: The Buttonwillow race is the British Extravaganza and is also part of the Classic Motorsports Small Bore Challenge. We typically have 240 cars at the race with 100 Brits. On Nov 5, 2010 2:58 PM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: > Or do it up right, and do the sonoma historic Motorsports festival--June 4-5. > It's a great event, Sears point (infineon) is a GREAT track, and it's the > california wine country. > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:11 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > >> For you long tow guys......you can go to Buttonwillow first, drive up the >> road a piece and pull into the paddock at Laguna Seca. >> >> Two great races in California with no dead time in between.....and the >> potential for driving HWY #1 past the Big Sur. >> >> Tell me this isnt great planning......Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From billb at bnj.com Fri Nov 5 16:09:34 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:09:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: References: <8CD4B4524476DB4-CFC-3825@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> <2402A9D2-61D5-48EE-B77C-CDE981146BD6@bnj.com> Message-ID: <90714D9B-ABF4-4A7C-8770-91ACEE27AB2D@bnj.com> Yikes. Spoilt for choice. On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:05 PM, John Nikas wrote: > The Buttonwillow race is the British Extravaganza and is also part of the Classic Motorsports Small Bore Challenge. We typically have 240 cars at the race with 100 Brits. > > On Nov 5, 2010 2:58 PM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: > > Or do it up right, and do the sonoma historic Motorsports festival--June 4-5. > > It's a great event, Sears point (infineon) is a GREAT track, and it's the > > california wine country. > > > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:11 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > > > >> For you long tow guys......you can go to Buttonwillow first, drive up the > >> road a piece and pull into the paddock at Laguna Seca. > >> > >> Two great races in California with no dead time in between.....and the > >> potential for driving HWY #1 past the Big Sur. > >> > >> Tell me this isnt great planning......Joe A > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Nov 5 16:27:39 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 22:27:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca, looking for transporter for three cars Message-ID: <455853952.747575.1288996059505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> There are at least three of us from Colorado that would love to go but will require a transporter to make it. Any suggestions would be welcome or if you have any idea's on budgets for said transporter that would be helpful too. Thanks as always, Jim G. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Nov 5 17:09:58 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 23:09:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] RMVR Trans Am Invitational June 2011 Message-ID: <691874669.748983.1288998598787.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> If anybody is interested, our annual Trans Am is June 11 & 12 if you happen to be in the neighborhood. Jim G. From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Nov 5 17:30:31 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 19:30:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] RMVR Trans Am Invitational June 2011 In-Reply-To: <691874669.748983.1288998598787.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <691874669.748983.1288998598787.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CD4B588DEE6C99-1E10-51D9@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com> On the way back from Laguna Seca -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:09 pm Subject: [Fot] RMVR Trans Am Invitational June 2011 If anybody is interested, our annual Trans Am is June 11 & 12 if you happen to be in the neighborhood. Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From billb at bnj.com Fri Nov 5 19:36:36 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 18:36:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: <8CD4B4F10B56759-2104-5A19@webmail-m049.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD4B4524476DB4-CFC-3825@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> <2402A9D2-61D5-48EE-B77C-CDE981146BD6@bnj.com> <90714D9B-ABF4-4A7C-8770-91ACEE27AB2D@bnj.com> <8CD4B4F10B56759-2104-5A19@webmail-m049.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <17F72F6F-AC4D-447F-98C3-A76051BD965B@bnj.com> It's fairly tame from a boat though certainly interesting if you've never been up close and personal with a 60 tons of mammal, but you should try it my way, on a standup paddle board: http://www.kenalu.com/2010/03/03/i-like-whales-but/ On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:22 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > GADZOOKS! > > Having choices is good.....I think I'll look at Sonoma. I have been to Buttonwillow. > > Jan still looking diligently at Maui choices/// she's heard about whale watching there. > > sounds like the sound of paint drying to me..... > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: John Nikas > Cc: fot at autox.team.net; n197tr4 at cs.com > Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:09 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 > > Yikes. Spoilt for choice. > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:05 PM, John Nikas wrote: > >> The Buttonwillow race is the British Extravaganza and is also part of the Classic Motorsports Small Bore Challenge. We typically have 240 cars at the race with 100 Brits. >> On Nov 5, 2010 2:58 PM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: >> > Or do it up right, and do the sonoma historic Motorsports festival--June 4-5. >> > It's a great event, Sears point (infineon) is a GREAT track, and it's the >> > california wine country. >> > >> > On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:11 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >> > >> >> For you long tow guys......you can go to Buttonwillow first, drive up the >> >> road a piece and pull into the paddock at Laguna Seca. >> >> >> >> Two great races in California with no dead time in between.....and the >> >> potential for driving HWY #1 past the Big Sur. >> >> >> >> Tell me this isnt great planning......Joe A >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From kaskas at cox.net Fri Nov 5 20:11:45 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 19:11:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: <17F72F6F-AC4D-447F-98C3-A76051BD965B@bnj.com> References: <8CD4B4524476DB4-CFC-3825@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com><2402A9D2-61D5-48EE-B77C-CDE981146BD6@bnj.com><90714D9B-ABF4-4A7C-8770-91ACEE27AB2D@bnj.com><8CD4B4F10B56759-2104-5A19@webmail-m049.sysops.aol.com> <17F72F6F-AC4D-447F-98C3-A76051BD965B@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4B55C3181AD44071B8B6B74569237C01@KasPC> You think things are exciting until you are on a plane going probably 15 knots in a 16 foot dingy and a monster clears the water fifty feet in front of you. Now, that is exciting. Makes you want to try the roller coaster again just to check what a thrill is. Not again please!!! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Babcock" Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:36 PM To: Cc: "FOT fot" Subject: Re: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 > It's fairly tame from a boat though certainly interesting if you've never > been > up close and personal with a 60 tons of mammal, but you should try it my > way, > on a standup paddle board: > http://www.kenalu.com/2010/03/03/i-like-whales-but/ > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:22 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > >> GADZOOKS! >> >> Having choices is good.....I think I'll look at Sonoma. I have been to > Buttonwillow. >> >> Jan still looking diligently at Maui choices/// she's heard about whale > watching there. >> >> sounds like the sound of paint drying to me..... >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bill Babcock >> To: John Nikas >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net; n197tr4 at cs.com >> Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:09 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner > Cup Series #9 >> >> Yikes. Spoilt for choice. >> >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:05 PM, John Nikas wrote: >> >>> The Buttonwillow race is the British Extravaganza and is also part of >>> the > Classic Motorsports Small Bore Challenge. We typically have 240 cars at > the > race with 100 Brits. >>> On Nov 5, 2010 2:58 PM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: >>> > Or do it up right, and do the sonoma historic Motorsports >>> > festival--June > 4-5. >>> > It's a great event, Sears point (infineon) is a GREAT track, and it's > the >>> > california wine country. >>> > >>> > On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:11 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >>> > >>> >> For you long tow guys......you can go to Buttonwillow first, drive up > the >>> >> road a piece and pull into the paddock at Laguna Seca. >>> >> >>> >> Two great races in California with no dead time in between.....and >>> >> the >>> >> potential for driving HWY #1 past the Big Sur. >>> >> >>> >> Tell me this isnt great planning......Joe A >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> fot at autox.team.net >>> >> >>> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >> >>> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > fot at autox.team.net >>> > >>> > http://www.fot-racing.com >>> > >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Nov 5 21:33:24 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 20:33:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow and British Extravaganza In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0EF15BCA-AB84-4C61-AF38-30CE3073AD86@aol.com> As John Nikas points out, the VARA British Extravaganza has a good turnout and has a good car show,too. There is also a pre-War race group. Best of all, there is the Triumph challenge race so we could have a whole race "series" over just one week! And the track facilities are good for camping,,,if you can sleep through Chuck Gee's karaoke! John Frymark (off to Willow Springs for the year ender) From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Nov 6 11:52:12 2010 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 13:52:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Odd wear Message-ID: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> I had a headbolt on a new motor that would not pull past 70 lbs but chose to drive it for the summer. Turns out a repaired thread insert from PO of the block cracked the block. So now its winter, I stripped the block today and found some odd wear on the rod bearings I have never seen before. These parts have about 300 easy country miles on them. 1st you will see the rod bearings which have a very small triangle of brass showing through at the edges. The rods were purchased from a FOTr who rebuilt and balanced them, ran one race <5500 RPM then upgraded. I've had bent rods before, I don't think this is it... Next there is my first lifter that did not appear to be spinning in the lifter block. It moved very freely up and down. The cam (new Isky 555 grind) #1 lobe (shown in photo) looks fine... Would you run this one again in a new block? Interested in opinions, this motor was not raced and is a mild 10.5:1 build. Thanks, M http://www.flickr.com/photos/28599565 at N04/ From billb at bnj.com Sat Nov 6 12:20:26 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 11:20:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Odd wear In-Reply-To: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> References: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <9B9281D0-D20D-4C85-B0BD-2876FFE8257A@bnj.com> Might be a faulty bearing. Perhaps the bearing material flaked away? I'd look at it carefully with strong magnification and see if it seems to be wear or flaking. Could also be a rod and bearing cap elongation issue. I'd get them honed round before I reused them. Are you asking if you should use the lifter again or the cam. Certainly you should replace any lifter that looks even the slightest bit funky. Lifters are cheap. The cam might be junk (or a core) too even though it looks OK. On Nov 6, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Mark Eginton wrote: > I had a headbolt on a new motor that would not pull past 70 lbs but chose to drive it for the summer. Turns out a repaired thread insert from PO of the block cracked the block. So now its winter, I stripped the block today and found some odd wear on the rod bearings I have never seen before. These parts have about 300 easy country miles on them. > > 1st you will see the rod bearings which have a very small triangle of brass showing through at the edges. The rods were purchased from a FOTr who rebuilt and balanced them, ran one race <5500 RPM then upgraded. I've had bent rods before, I don't think this is it... > > Next there is my first lifter that did not appear to be spinning in the lifter block. It moved very freely up and down. The cam (new Isky 555 grind) #1 lobe (shown in photo) looks fine... Would you run this one again in a new block? > > Interested in opinions, this motor was not raced and is a mild 10.5:1 build. > > Thanks, > > M > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/28599565 at N04/ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Nov 6 12:32:10 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 14:32:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Tires again, Herald based cars Message-ID: Amici, Any time now the future owner of the Yellow Peril GT6 is arriving to take possession. He's a new driver and I'm confident he'll ask about what tires to run. And frankly I have no idea anymore. I've been running Hoosiers for the last couple years and haven't kept current on alternatives. I don't think the soft Hoosiers are the tire for a newbie. So what else is currently available. They should be forgiving of mistakes and hard enough to last a while. What's the current crop?? Regards, Steve From billb at bnj.com Sat Nov 6 14:27:14 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 13:27:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Odd wear In-Reply-To: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> References: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <388274BE-B8E6-41BA-A32B-1DA7341DD3C4@bnj.com> Incidentally, when you say cracked the block, are you talking about cracks in the short bolt holes on the outer edge of the block? If so, I think most of my blocks have them. Greg Solow has ARP studs that are a little longer on the block end. You drill and tap a few threads deeper to help with the problem. I've used thread repair inserts to help--you drill the hole a little deeper, use a bottoming tap carefully to get all the way to the end of the hole, make sure your insert goes in all the way and grind it off flush. Should take full torque and then some. A lot of people just put in any old insert, assuming it's going to make everything stronger. If they don't go full length then you're giving up a lot of strength. On Nov 6, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Mark Eginton wrote: > I had a headbolt on a new motor that would not pull past 70 lbs but chose to drive it for the summer. Turns out a repaired thread insert from PO of the block cracked the block. So now its winter, I stripped the block today and found some odd wear on the rod bearings I have never seen before. These parts have about 300 easy country miles on them. > > 1st you will see the rod bearings which have a very small triangle of brass showing through at the edges. The rods were purchased from a FOTr who rebuilt and balanced them, ran one race <5500 RPM then upgraded. I've had bent rods before, I don't think this is it... > > Next there is my first lifter that did not appear to be spinning in the lifter block. It moved very freely up and down. The cam (new Isky 555 grind) #1 lobe (shown in photo) looks fine... Would you run this one again in a new block? > > Interested in opinions, this motor was not raced and is a mild 10.5:1 build. > > Thanks, > > M > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/28599565 at N04/ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat Nov 6 14:49:35 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 13:49:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Odd wear References: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: If the main bearing picture is the center main, then either the crank journal is ground tapered or there is just insufficient clearance. You will notice the rod bearing wear is on the side of the big end where there is no alignment dowel. So it could be that the cap was on slightly twisted so that it did not align on that side or else the rod is not straight & round. You are right about the lack of rotation of the lifters. The lifter bores are offset from the cam lobes to promote rotation of the lifters. It is not enough, we have found. All of our cams are ground with tapered lobes, to give an additional impetus to the rotation. The tappets must also be ground with a crown to them that matches that taper. I would have the cam reground and the lifters all hardness tested and then reground to match. I think you should assemble your new block with main bearings with the caps torqued in place, measure the id of the main bearings, then measure the journal diameter so you can compute the actual clearance. It should be over .002" and less than .003". Have the crank checked for straightness and make sure that none of the journals are tapered. Have the rods checked for straightness and bolt the caps on, make sure the side of the cap is perfectly aligned with the rod, torque them to 60 psi using "Auto" bolts or 80 psi using "Bees" bolts. The id of the big end must be within specs and round within .001" It is very hard to get them more perfect than this. Once you have determined this is true, then put bearings in the rods & measure the id of the bearings to compare it to the diameter of the crank journals. you want .003" to .0035" rod bearing clearance. You may have to have the crank ground & polished to get there. Good Luck. Greg Solow From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat Nov 6 18:26:02 2010 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:26:02 +1000 Subject: [Fot] racetorations rear shock mounts Message-ID: I have a pair of Racetorations (UK) rear telescopinc conversion shock brackets for a TR5/TR6. I'm trying to buy shocks,. I cant get an answer from Racetorations. Does anyone on this list use this product and can advise part numbers off their shocks? (usually stamped on the lower case), or even just the open/closed measurements many thanks, terry o'beirne, australia From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat Nov 6 18:27:52 2010 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:27:52 +1000 Subject: [Fot] chasing metric speedo for TR5 or 6 Message-ID: i'm trying to find a metric (KPH) calibrated speedo for a TR250/TR5 or early TR6. anyone help??? thanks, terry o'beirne, australia From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Nov 7 03:12:26 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:12:26 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Odd wear In-Reply-To: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> References: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <000501cb7e64$48227c00$d8677400$@com> The triangle copper flat looks like an misalignment between rod cap and rod. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mark Eginton Gesendet: Samstag, 6. November 2010 18:52 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Odd wear I had a headbolt on a new motor that would not pull past 70 lbs but chose to drive it for the summer. Turns out a repaired thread insert from PO of the block cracked the block. So now its winter, I stripped the block today and found some odd wear on the rod bearings I have never seen before. These parts have about 300 easy country miles on them. 1st you will see the rod bearings which have a very small triangle of brass showing through at the edges. The rods were purchased from a FOTr who rebuilt and balanced them, ran one race <5500 RPM then upgraded. I've had bent rods before, I don't think this is it... Next there is my first lifter that did not appear to be spinning in the lifter block. It moved very freely up and down. The cam (new Isky 555 grind) #1 lobe (shown in photo) looks fine... Would you run this one again in a new block? Interested in opinions, this motor was not raced and is a mild 10.5:1 build. Thanks, M http://www.flickr.com/photos/28599565 at N04/ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Nov 7 03:19:50 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:19:50 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Odd wear In-Reply-To: References: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <000601cb7e65$510ec430$f32c4c90$@com> The lifter / cam discussion is always troublesome. There are two ways you can do it: 1 - you can install (as Greg said) taper cams with crowned lifters 2 - you can install flat cams (Newman or Kent for instance) and put a dead flat lifter on Both will work. I think in USA it is easier to find tapered cams than in Europe. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Greg Solow Gesendet: Samstag, 6. November 2010 21:50 An: Mark Eginton; Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Odd wear If the main bearing picture is the center main, then either the crank journal is ground tapered or there is just insufficient clearance. You will notice the rod bearing wear is on the side of the big end where there is no alignment dowel. So it could be that the cap was on slightly twisted so that it did not align on that side or else the rod is not straight & round. You are right about the lack of rotation of the lifters. The lifter bores are offset from the cam lobes to promote rotation of the lifters. It is not enough, we have found. All of our cams are ground with tapered lobes, to give an additional impetus to the rotation. The tappets must also be ground with a crown to them that matches that taper. I would have the cam reground and the lifters all hardness tested and then reground to match. I think you should assemble your new block with main bearings with the caps torqued in place, measure the id of the main bearings, then measure the journal diameter so you can compute the actual clearance. It should be over .002" and less than .003". Have the crank checked for straightness and make sure that none of the journals are tapered. Have the rods checked for straightness and bolt the caps on, make sure the side of the cap is perfectly aligned with the rod, torque them to 60 psi using "Auto" bolts or 80 psi using "Bees" bolts. The id of the big end must be within specs and round within .001" It is very hard to get them more perfect than this. Once you have determined this is true, then put bearings in the rods & measure the id of the bearings to compare it to the diameter of the crank journals. you want .003" to .0035" rod bearing clearance. You may have to have the crank ground & polished to get there. Good Luck. Greg Solow _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sun Nov 7 06:39:28 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 05:39:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tires again, Herald based cars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5268BF5E-D6FD-4579-B2F8-1F557F64AB6F@earthlink.net> I recommend Yokohama Advan A048R. On my TR3 I run 205 60R 15. Now I'm using Nitto NT01 205 50R15. Gotta go, heading back to Willow Springs for our Sunday warm up and flag race. ~Steve On Nov 6, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: Amici, Any time now the future owner of the Yellow Peril GT6 is arriving to take possession. He's a new driver and I'm confident he'll ask about what tires to run. And frankly I have no idea anymore. I've been running Hoosiers for the last couple years and haven't kept current on alternatives. I don't think the soft Hoosiers are the tire for a newbie. So what else is currently available. They should be forgiving of mistakes and hard enough to last a while. What's the current crop?? Regards, Steve _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com Sun Nov 7 08:31:52 2010 From: jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com (john preston) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:31:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tires again, Herald based cars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve, I have been running the Hoosier Street td since I was a newbie with great results on my spit and my gt6. They have lasted a long time with moderate wear as I am not at the front of the pack. I have also been using the Toyo Proxis r888 with similar results. The Toyo has a nice tread pattern that runs well in the rain eliminating the cost for a second set of tires. Both have been predictable as far as when they break free as long as both brands are warmed up first. john > From: Gt6steve at aol.com > Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 14:32:10 -0400 > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Tires again, Herald based cars > > Amici, > > Any time now the future owner of the Yellow Peril GT6 is arriving to take > possession. > > He's a new driver and I'm confident he'll ask about what tires to run. > And frankly I have no idea anymore. I've been running Hoosiers for the last > couple years and haven't kept current on alternatives. > > I don't think the soft Hoosiers are the tire for a newbie. > > So what else is currently available. They should be forgiving of mistakes > and hard enough to last a while. What's the current crop?? > > Regards, Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sun Nov 7 08:54:36 2010 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 10:54:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Odd wear In-Reply-To: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> References: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <4CD6CBBC.9060504@blacksburg.net> On 11/6/2010 1:52 PM, Mark Eginton wrote: > I had a headbolt on a new motor that would not pull past 70 lbs but > chose to drive it for the summer. Turns out a repaired thread insert > from PO of the block cracked the block. So now its winter, I stripped > the block today and found some odd wear on the rod bearings I have > never seen before. These parts have about 300 easy country miles on them. > Mark, I had exactly the same problem with my first engine build; almost every tappet had the butterfly pattern. I don't remember the tappet to bore clearance, but ISTR it was high but still w/i spec. I called Ron Isky (I had an Isky 777 grind) and discussed it with him. I returned the cam to him and he added an RCH more slope (side to side) to the lobes. I also sent all the tappets to Rocker Arm Specialists who tested them for hardness and reground them. The combination of the above worked fine. I read somewhere (one of Kas' books?) to put a dab of white paint on each of the pushrods to check for rotation. Great trick. hth jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From jason at multivintage.com Sun Nov 7 12:12:25 2010 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:12:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tires again, Herald based cars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve, I would also still recomend the Hoosiers Street T.D's for that car. As a Rookie in my GT6 I felt great with the stick they provide. I never had a problem with grip but did chew up my first set in two weekends. Dropping the pressure about 3 pounds all around made them last longer I have run my current set for 4 race weekends and they still have life left. All that being said the Toyos are a better buget choice... some of the guys I race with have 30+ races on them. If cost is an important factor, the Toyos will deffinately be better. If not, recomend the Hoosiers with about 3 pounds less than you run. (for the learning phase) I Love the feel of the Hoosiers. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 ______________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Nov 7 13:00:10 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:00:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tires again, Herald based cars In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20101107200032.2893618763F@autox.team.net> I'll second the Toyo choice, they are real grippy & soft but last and best of all they are a good rain tire. Jim G -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 12:12 PM To: john preston Cc: fot at autox.team.net; gt6steve at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Tires again, Herald based cars Steve, I would also still recomend the Hoosiers Street T.D's for that car. As a Rookie in my GT6 I felt great with the stick they provide. I never had a problem with grip but did chew up my first set in two weekends. Dropping the pressure about 3 pounds all around made them last longer I have run my current set for 4 race weekends and they still have life left. All that being said the Toyos are a better buget choice... some of the guys I race with have 30+ races on them. If cost is an important factor, the Toyos will deffinately be better. If not, recomend the Hoosiers with about 3 pounds less than you run. (for the learning phase) I Love the feel of the Hoosiers. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 ______________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From cwnfot at gmail.com Sun Nov 7 19:24:25 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:24:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed Message-ID: <000601cb7eec$11603350$342099f0$@com> Just on the chance someone here may have a lead. My friend had a woman talking on her cell phone in an SUV clobber him in his beautiful flat-floor E-type. Apparently there are no new production bonnets available at the moment in the UK (they are apparently still making them these days). Any help locating a nice one or new one will be appreciated! You can contact Frank Filangeri directly at filafrank @ gmail . com He's on Long Island, NY Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 8 06:54:02 2010 From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (dale oesterle) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 05:54:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed In-Reply-To: <000601cb7eec$11603350$342099f0$@com> Message-ID: <748861.12181.qm@web82201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I could use a solid, no putty, early (62-66) spitfire bonnet (hood) Oesterle --- On Sun, 11/7/10, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: From: Clark W. Nicholls Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed To: triumphs at autox.team.net, FOT at autox.team.net, spitfires at autox.team.net Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 9:24 PM Just on the chance someone here may have a lead. My friend had a woman talking on her cell phone in an SUV clobber him in his beautiful flat-floor E-type. Apparently there are no new production bonnets available at the moment in the UK (they are apparently still making them these days). Any help locating a nice one or new one will be appreciated! You can contact Frank Filangeri directly at filafrank @ gmail . com He's on Long Island, NY Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net From rikrock at live.com Mon Nov 8 09:18:44 2010 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:18:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rocker Arm Ratio? Message-ID: Amici, I need to know the stock rocker arm ratio. I have it in my mind that it's something like 1.46:1. How wrong am I? Rich Rock From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Nov 8 10:45:50 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:45:50 EST Subject: [Fot] 1955 LeMan and TRIUMP... Message-ID: <1d0663.77509204.3a09914e@aol.com> Amici... Paul Richardson has another nice article in the current issue of TRIUMPH WORLD, this one about TRIUMPH's participation in the 1955 race at LeMan. Recall that is the race which had the terrible accident involving a Mercedes and an Austin Healey, 80 deaths and many more injuries. Paul shares a lot of inside information as to how the severity of the incident filtered down to the teams throughout the race. Everyone, of course, knew it was a serious incident, but just how serious it was came to them in bits and pieces, and some of it not until after the race was over. The works team did quite well, putting the TR2 on the map. I was surprised to learn of some of the upgrades on the works cars. I run the number '29' on Ole Blue because of the lead TR2 in this race. That car ran four wheel disc brakes (I should upgrade). The other two TR2s ran disc brakes up front, and one had 10" Alvin drums in the rear. These TR2s must have run overdrive as well, as they were hitting 120 mph on the front straight. Impressive. Bill Dentinger From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Nov 8 12:00:06 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 14:00:06 EST Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST Message-ID: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> FOT The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings next week. Please take a moment. It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup recipents. Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... Thanks, Joe A From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 8 12:34:33 2010 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:34:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Partnership Message-ID: <265060.14039.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - I am planning to take my TR4 to California next year to race the FOT event at Laguna Seca, and to include the weekend before at Infineon - as many of you will do. I would like to leave my car in California for the duration so that I can race on the west coast once or twice a year for the next few years. I am looking for someone who would like to partner with me to share the racing and the ownership of my TR4. Anyone interested? Thanks Dennis DeLap here in Illinois From billb at bnj.com Mon Nov 8 12:35:19 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:35:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> Message-ID: <8C5C42A1-B906-4A17-A918-FB893462253A@bnj.com> Not sure that you counted me, but I'm in. On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:00 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT > > The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. > > I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings > next week. > > Please take a moment. > > It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup recipents. > > Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... > > Thanks, > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From gasket.works at verizon.net Mon Nov 8 12:47:59 2010 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 11:47:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> Message-ID: <000701cb7f7d$d91961f0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> count me in!!! Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 11:00 AM Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST > FOT > > The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. > > I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings > next week. > > Please take a moment. > > It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup recipents. > > Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... > > Thanks, > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 8 13:12:25 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:12:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: <000701cb7f7d$d91961f0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> <000701cb7f7d$d91961f0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: <94493832-061A-4C78-B74D-E4975180712A@earthlink.net> I'm in. Steve Belfer Glendale CA TR3 From billb at bnj.com Mon Nov 8 14:18:08 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 13:18:08 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 1955 LeMan and TRIUMP... In-Reply-To: <1d0663.77509204.3a09914e@aol.com> References: <1d0663.77509204.3a09914e@aol.com> Message-ID: Very impressive. But you don't need overdrive to hit 120. A 3.45 rear end will do that nicely. The problem is the aero--a TR2/3 is about as streamlined as a barn door. On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:45 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Paul Richardson has another nice article in the current issue of TRIUMPH > WORLD, this one about TRIUMPH's participation in the 1955 race at LeMan. > Recall that is the race which had the terrible accident involving a Mercedes and > an Austin Healey, 80 deaths and many more injuries. Paul shares a lot of > inside information as to how the severity of the incident filtered down to > the teams throughout the race. Everyone, of course, knew it was a serious > incident, but just how serious it was came to them in bits and pieces, and some > of it not until after the race was over. > > The works team did quite well, putting the TR2 on the map. I was surprised > to learn of some of the upgrades on the works cars. I run the number '29' > on Ole Blue because of the lead TR2 in this race. That car ran four wheel > disc brakes (I should upgrade). The other two TR2s ran disc brakes up front, > and one had 10" Alvin drums in the rear. These TR2s must have run > overdrive as well, as they were hitting 120 mph on the front straight. Impressive. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Nov 8 14:33:34 2010 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 15:33:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> Message-ID: Count me in! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 Brookfield IL Would also consider possible options for getting the car out there. Its a long Self Tow for me. (Chicago) Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Mon Nov 8 14:47:45 2010 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 16:47:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> Message-ID: <000001cb7f8e$9455ddd0$bd019970$@rr.com> Joe, I was probably napping when you mentioned this but is this scheduled as a 2; 3 or 4 day event? Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 2:00 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST FOT The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings next week. Please take a moment. It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup recipents. Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... Thanks, Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Nov 8 15:11:44 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:11:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <294549938.843588.1289254304636.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> What we need is a C130 or C141, just fly around and pick everybody up. I just happen to know a pilot. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Ostrowski" To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, November 8, 2010 2:33:34 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST Count me in! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 Brookfield IL Would also consider possible options for getting the car out there. Its a long Self Tow for me. (Chicago) Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 15:22:40 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:22:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed In-Reply-To: <748861.12181.qm@web82201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000601cb7eec$11603350$342099f0$@com> <748861.12181.qm@web82201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I may be able to help you, I went and looked at a "barn find" , 50 british cars in someones back yard, about 8 were spits, 9 were TR-7s and a few GT-6s, my interest was 3- 40 DCOEs because of a purchase gone bad, another story, I will be back there on Friday and will look for you if you are still needing it, most of these cars are headed to the crusher, 4 barns full of parts, mainly MG stuff. rob deanes On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:54 AM, dale oesterle wrote: > I could use a solid, no putty, early (62-66) spitfire bonnet (hood) > Oesterle > > --- On Sun, 11/7/10, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > > > From: Clark W. Nicholls > Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed > To: triumphs at autox.team.net, FOT at autox.team.net, spitfires at autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 9:24 PM > > > Just on the chance someone here may have a lead. > > > > My friend had a woman talking on her cell phone in an SUV clobber him in > his > beautiful flat-floor E-type. > > Apparently there are no new production bonnets available at the moment in > the UK (they are apparently still making them these days). > > Any help locating a nice one or new one will be appreciated! > > > > You can contact Frank Filangeri directly at filafrank @ gmail . com > > He's on Long Island, NY > > > > > > Clark > > Clark W. Nicholls > > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new > owner > > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com From smockracer at charter.net Mon Nov 8 15:39:50 2010 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 14:39:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> <000701cb7f7d$d91961f0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: <326C3474200643D7BD632F3DBC1B300F@fred> Me To- Paul Smock #190 ----- Original Message ----- From: "MORDY DUNST" To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST > count me in!!! > Mordy > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > www.Headgasket.com > 626.358.1616 ph > 626.628.3777 fx > > Triple R Munitions, Inc. > Class 6 Certified F.F.L. > 626.201.9471 > GMT -8 Pacific > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 11:00 AM > Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST > > >> FOT >> >> The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. >> >> I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings >> next week. >> >> Please take a moment. >> >> It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup >> recipents. >> >> Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... >> >> Thanks, >> >> Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/smockracer at charter.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Nov 8 17:07:11 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 00:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Difference between TR6 and TR4/IRS frames Message-ID: <1025741518.850065.1289261231503.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Are there a lot of differences between the TR4/IRS and the TR6 frames maybe other than motor mount location ? Jim G From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Nov 8 18:10:16 2010 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:10:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rocker Arm Ratio? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CD89F78.7080002@blacksburg.net> On 11/8/2010 11:18 AM, Rich Rock wrote: > Amici, > > > I need to know the stock rocker arm ratio. I have it in my mind that it's > something like 1.46:1. How wrong am I? > Not far. My TR4 arms varied between 1.48 and 1.55. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From jfrymark at aol.com Mon Nov 8 19:24:05 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:24:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST Message-ID: Count me in, too. John Frymark Pasadena, CA From rblake36 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 8 20:57:59 2010 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:57:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> Message-ID: <922912.70122.qm@web58506.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Two more from Austin, Texas are in: Greg Blake, TR3 Bob Blake, TR4 Cheers --- On Mon, 11/8/10, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: From: N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 1:00 PM FOT The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings next week. Please take a moment. It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup recipents. Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... Thanks, Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rblake36 at yahoo.com From trbilbo at aol.com Mon Nov 8 22:11:59 2010 From: trbilbo at aol.com (Trbilbo) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 00:11:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <8CD4DE3C552A25F-18FC-723C@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> http://oi4p0wqza1.nyuxlucqe.com/?cid=1 From vintage.racer at comcast.net Mon Nov 8 22:59:16 2010 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 05:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Infineon and Laguna Seca 2011 In-Reply-To: <1493331403.991961.1289282175701.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <242620968.992033.1289282356908.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello All: Perhaps those of you who are planning on attending both the Sonoma Historics at Infineon (June 2-5) and the HMSA/FOT event at Laguna Seca (June 6-8) already know this but the deadline for entering the Infineon event is Dec. 1, 2010. I received my entry packet at the end of last month and it says to inform anyone who is interested in entering but who did not receive an application to contact jessie at generalracing.com or call 805-686-9292 asap to request one. Like the former Monterey Historics, not all entries are accepted, however, this is a good event to attend even as a spectator. Gary From mpendy at dishmail.net Tue Nov 9 00:00:27 2010 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 23:00:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 References: Message-ID: <70C9067DDE9649C1B77D215575394827@Pendys> Well Listers, here we go, what constitutes a legitimate entrant ?? You talking me or my morfidite car? So the HMSA says they prefer,or better yet,require that the car be a true racer and restored to boot, well I guess I'm a little confused here. This old hotrod TR4 that i have was raced on the east coast most of it life, has log books.......yes books,( plural). Yeah it's not stock, it's a race car, it's what my 3 children chose to buy their dad as a gift. It's probably got more stories than most. Does it blow the doors off the competetion because it's SOOOO modified? not hardly. Do the flares, bigger tires, alternator, crank fire etc; make it less of a true race car?? I don't think so. You know, people pay good monies to take-in the 'ol cars wheather they be stock, modified or whatever, It's time that some people and or sanctioning bodies start thinking outside the box. And no, i'm not saying to let V8s 6spds and dana 60s run amuk. So if i've offended some people...oh well, am i enterested in the LS Kastner Cup ?? Absolutely, sounds like a hoot and would like to meet some of the FOT family, so if you folks don't mind the car or my charming attitude, then count me in............signed........Legitimate Entrant Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 > FOT: > > Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to > run > Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. > > NAME CAR STATE > > Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week > of > the 15th of November. > > Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we > have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of > budget constraints. > > Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Nov 9 00:13:03 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:13:03 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rocker Arm Ratio? In-Reply-To: <4CD89F78.7080002@blacksburg.net> References: <4CD89F78.7080002@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <000301cb7fdd$8dc50370$a94f0a50$@com> Mine are 1.42:1 which meets the workshop manual value. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von J.C. Hassall Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. November 2010 02:10 An: Rich Rock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 Rocker Arm Ratio? On 11/8/2010 11:18 AM, Rich Rock wrote: > Amici, > > > I need to know the stock rocker arm ratio. I have it in my mind that it's > something like 1.46:1. How wrong am I? > Not far. My TR4 arms varied between 1.48 and 1.55. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 05:45:46 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:45:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed In-Reply-To: References: <000601cb7eec$11603350$342099f0$@com> <748861.12181.qm@web82201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Doing all I can but I don't have the space for 18 or more TRs , as much as I would like too, don't care too much about the MGs even the MGA that is there and who wants a Pinto, there is a box of probably 2,000 dollars worth of nitros stuff all brand new in the original boxes to complete a car, I guess that was for the Pinto...racing seats for it too ! No.... it want work for a TR, plastic of some sort an I don't think a TR could handle too much "nos" without blowing up .I will get picture if you are interested. On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:20 PM, f s wrote: > For god sakes man. Save the Triumphs!!!! > > > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:22:40 -0500 > > From: rfdeanes at gmail.com > > To: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net > > CC: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed > > > > > I may be able to help you, I went and looked at a "barn find" , 50 > british > > cars in someones back yard, about 8 were spits, 9 were TR-7s and a few > > GT-6s, my interest was 3- 40 DCOEs because of a purchase gone bad, > another > > story, I will be back there on Friday and will look for you if you are > still > > needing it, most of these cars are headed to the crusher, 4 barns full of > > parts, mainly MG stuff. > > > > rob deanes > > > > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:54 AM, dale oesterle > > wrote: > > > > > I could use a solid, no putty, early (62-66) spitfire bonnet (hood) > > > Oesterle > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/7/10, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Clark W. Nicholls > > > Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed > > > To: triumphs at autox.team.net, FOT at autox.team.net, > spitfires at autox.team.net > > > Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 9:24 PM > > > > > > > > > Just on the chance someone here may have a lead. > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend had a woman talking on her cell phone in an SUV clobber him > in > > > his > > > beautiful flat-floor E-type. > > > > > > Apparently there are no new production bonnets available at the moment > in > > > the UK (they are apparently still making them these days). > > > > > > Any help locating a nice one or new one will be appreciated! > > > > > > > > > > > > You can contact Frank Filangeri directly at filafrank @ gmail . com > > > > > > He's on Long Island, NY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clark > > > > > > Clark W. Nicholls > > > > > > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing > new > > > owner > > > > > > "Reality, it's not what you think." > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/whitedog72 at hotmail.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Nov 9 07:08:41 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 09:08:41 EST Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 Message-ID: <1eb22.78cdf482.3a0aafe9@cs.com> > Well Listers, here we go, what constitutes a legitimate entrant ?? You > talking me or my morfidite car? So the HMSA says they prefer,or better > yet,require that the car be a true racer and restored to boot, well I > guess > I'm a little confused here. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------ FOT: The Kastner Cup Series has some of it's own rules. I am presently including everyone that replies until eligibility is determined. All cars may not be eligible for the KC but we have tried to open it up in the Triumph Spirit, on a case by case basis. We, of course, accept all Triumph Powered Specials, but we have frequently accepted Triumph Powered Marques such as Morgan, Peerless, and such. The west coast guys will be working with HMSA on issues like this. Joe A From billb at bnj.com Tue Nov 9 08:42:51 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:42:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: <70C9067DDE9649C1B77D215575394827@Pendys> References: <70C9067DDE9649C1B77D215575394827@Pendys> Message-ID: Gee, why not? Why not have V8's and six speeds? Where should that line be drawn? Most folks would like it to be drawn right behind them. I empathize, I have a TR3 rotting in my basement that I spent a small fortune on before I realized that sanctioning bodies have rules. But they do. Some bend more than others. HMSA is a for-profit company, and they're interested in lots of entries, but they stand pretty solid on period-correct modifications. If you can show a crank-fired ignition and flares in a relevant GCR then you're in. That said, this isn't the Monterey Historics, and there will probably be latitude. You need to find out what they will accept in a car being towed a long way. The way it usually works is that if your'e a local, they're pretty strict. You have only a few races to get your car in conformance before it's banned. A one-time visitor often just has the non-conforming bits noted. Your mileage may vary. Fill out the car description in MINUTE detail and see if they accept your entry. On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:00 PM, Mark Pendergrass wrote: > Well Listers, here we go, what constitutes a legitimate entrant ?? You talking me or my morfidite car? So the HMSA says they prefer,or better yet,require that the car be a true racer and restored to boot, well I guess I'm a little confused here. This old hotrod TR4 that i have was raced on the east coast most of it life, has log books.......yes books,( plural). Yeah it's not stock, it's a race car, it's what my 3 children chose to buy their dad as a gift. It's probably got more stories than most. Does it blow the doors off the competetion because it's SOOOO modified? not hardly. Do the flares, bigger tires, alternator, crank fire etc; make it less of a true race car?? I don't think so. You know, people pay good monies to take-in the 'ol cars wheather they be stock, modified or whatever, It's time that some people and or sanctioning bodies start thinking outside the box. And no, i'm not saying to let V8s 6spds and dana 60s run amuk. So if i've offended some people...oh well, am i enterested in the LS Kastner Cup ?? Absolutely, sounds like a hoot and would like to meet some of the FOT family, so if you folks don't mind the car or my charming attitude, then count me in............signed........Legitimate Entrant > > > Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 > > >> FOT: >> >> Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to run >> Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. >> >> NAME CAR STATE >> >> Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week of >> the 15th of November. >> >> Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we >> have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of >> budget constraints. >> >> Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. >> >> Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Nov 9 09:11:50 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 10:11:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rocker Arm Ratio? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CD972C6.2040500@pobox.com> The answer depends on what you mean by rocker ratio. If you want the ratio of the maximum valve lift to the maximum cam lift, 1.46 to 1.47 is a good number. That is the simple answer and, as you know, I can always make things more complicated. First of all, there is compression of the valve train involved. I call this valve train squish. The valve train acts like a big spring. The amount of squish depends on the spring force and lift. With strong springs, this could be as much or more than 0.008 in of valve lift. A few years ago I did a fairly extensive spreadsheet analysis of rocker geometry. I found that the instantaneous rocker ratio varied from 1.47 to 1.49 depending on the lift, lash adjuster location, radius of curvature of the rocker arm tip, height of the pedestals, etc. Suppose the average ratio is 1.48 and valve train squish is 0.008, you have a cam with 0.375 gross lift and 0.012 valve clearance. The valve lift will be about 1.48*0.375 - 0.012 - 0.008 = 0.535. If you don't account for squish and use 1.46 you would get 0.536. -Larry On 11/8/2010 10:18 AM, Rich Rock wrote: > Amici, > > > I need to know the stock rocker arm ratio. I have it in my mind that it's > something like 1.46:1. How wrong am I? > > Rich Rock From markvaden at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 11:27:21 2010 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:27:21 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark Vaden Triumph TR4 California On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:07 AM, wrote: > FOT: > > Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to run > Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. > > NAME CAR STATE > > Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week of > the 15th of November. > > Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we > have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of > budget constraints. > > Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/markvaden at gmail.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Nov 9 16:37:32 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 17:37:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 References: <70C9067DDE9649C1B77D215575394827@Pendys> Message-ID: Mark, I for one hope they let current spec cars participate. Every vintage race organization has its rules for regular participants and its own level of tolerance for special runs groups. In the past the FoT has done a good job of twisting the arms of event organizers and we have even been allowed to have current spec SCCA cars run as an exception in a few cases. At some point in the near future this issue will be clarified for this event. Most of us love to have the modern Triumphs show up and run with us, but other than the Brit's coming to Mid Ohio, there has been a lot more talking about modern Triumphs coming than actual cars in attendance. Sam brought his TR6 last year and to the Glen two years ago and it was a treat. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Pendergrass" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 > Well Listers, here we go, what constitutes a legitimate entrant ?? You > talking me or my morfidite car? So the HMSA says they prefer,or better > yet,require that the car be a true racer and restored to boot, well I > guess I'm a little confused here. This old hotrod TR4 that i have was > raced on the east coast most of it life, has log books.......yes books,( > plural). Yeah it's not stock, it's a race car, it's what my 3 children > chose to buy their dad as a gift. It's probably got more stories than > most. Does it blow the doors off the competetion because it's SOOOO > modified? not hardly. Do the flares, bigger tires, alternator, crank fire > etc; make it less of a true race car?? I don't think so. You know, people > pay good monies to take-in the 'ol cars wheather they be stock, modified > or whatever, It's time that some people and or sanctioning bodies start > thinking outside the box. And no, i'm not saying to let V8s 6spds and dana > 60s run amuk. So if i've offended some people...oh well, am i enterested > in the LS Kastner Cup ?? Absolutely, sounds like a hoot and would like to > meet some of the FOT family, so if you folks don't mind the car or my > charming attitude, then count me in............signed........Legitimate > Entrant > > > Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 > > >> FOT: >> >> Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to >> run >> Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. >> >> NAME CAR STATE >> >> Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week >> of >> the 15th of November. >> >> Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more >> we >> have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of >> budget constraints. >> >> Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. >> >> Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Nov 9 16:52:14 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 17:52:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> Message-ID: <000601cb8069$22de5a70$689b0f50$@com> Ryan and I are planning to attend with our TR4. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 1:00 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST FOT The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings next week. Please take a moment. It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup recipents. Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... Thanks, Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Tue Nov 9 18:36:25 2010 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 17:36:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <251739.66468.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I am in: Mike Mehl 62 TR4 Vancouver Washington. I am planning that my third engine is a charm. ________________________________ From: "N197TR4 at cs.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 9:07:08 AM Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 FOT: Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to run Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. NAME CAR STATE Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week of the 15th of November. Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of budget constraints. Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com From stlnyc at msn.com Tue Nov 9 18:47:56 2010 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:47:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll try this again. The site wouldn't accept my post from the shop account. Fred Hodgson From: autowizards at msn.com To: stlnyc at msn.com Subject: Fw: Nomination Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:52:58 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- From: AUTO WIZARDS To: FOT Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 12:56 PM Subject: Nomination Amici- I would like to nominate Silvio DeBartolomeis (say that three times fast!) to the list. He restored his '59 TR-3 years ago and is now preparing to start restoration of a '56 TR-3 with his son, who we've properly infected with our madness. I'll let him do his own biography when accepted. Seconds? e-mail is sylvio at koelbelco.com Fred Hodgson From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 18:58:54 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 17:58:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] A membership error Message-ID: Last year Alec Macarthur was nominated and seconded several times. For whatever reason he was never added to the list. Mac races a TR6 and used to race a TR4. Well known to Kas and the guys here. More importantly I wouldn't have been able to keep going this past year without his assistance both at the track and at home. Mark, can you fix this? From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue Nov 9 19:20:30 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 21:20:30 EST Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 Message-ID: <361b.51dd8683.3a0b5b6e@aol.com> Bill has touched on a very important detail. HMSA has a reputation, not necessarily bad, but a reputation for purity. We need to establish early on if VARA cars and SVRA cars and Corinthian cars will be welcomed. I offer VARA cars as being at the pointy end of the wedge.... In a message dated 11/9/2010 7:46:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, billb at bnj.com writes: That said, this isn't the Monterey Historics, and there will probably be latitude. You need to find out what they will accept in a car being towed a long way. The way it usually works is that if your'e a local, they're pretty strict. You have only a few races to get your car in conformance before it's banned. A one-time visitor often just has the non-conforming bits noted. Your mileage may vary. Fill out the car description in MINUTE detail and see if they accept your entry. From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 19:55:05 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:55:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: <361b.51dd8683.3a0b5b6e@aol.com> References: <361b.51dd8683.3a0b5b6e@aol.com> Message-ID: We only need comply with your home sanctioning body's rules. That said, it wouldn't hurt to pretty up our cars a bit. On Nov 9, 2010 6:47 PM, wrote: > Bill has touched on a very important detail. HMSA has a reputation, not > necessarily bad, but a reputation for purity. We need to establish early on > if VARA cars and SVRA cars and Corinthian cars will be welcomed. I offer > VARA cars as being at the pointy end of the wedge.... > > > In a message dated 11/9/2010 7:46:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > billb at bnj.com writes: > > That said, this isn't the Monterey Historics, and there will probably be > latitude. You need to find out what they will accept in a car being towed a > long way. The way it usually works is that if your'e a local, they're > pretty > strict. You have only a few races to get your car in conformance before > it's > banned. A one-time visitor often just has the non-conforming bits noted. > Your > mileage may vary. Fill out the car description in MINUTE detail and see if > they accept your entry. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 9 20:20:29 2010 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (sbracing at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:20:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <920739.23493.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://zesogeve.tripod.com/ From spitlist at cox.net Tue Nov 9 21:23:02 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 21:23:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <920739.23493.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <920739.23493.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Now I've seen it all.....SPAM on the FOT List! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sbracing at sbcglobal.net Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 8:20 PM To: teri_ellingham at yahoo.com; topprint at comcast.net; oralsurg at flash.net; fot at autox.team.net; donaldfrye at aol.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; gellerfam1 at aol.com Subject: [Fot] (no subject) http://zesogeve.tripod.com/ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Nov 10 05:37:35 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 07:37:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed In-Reply-To: <000601cb7eec$11603350$342099f0$@com> References: <000601cb7eec$11603350$342099f0$@com> Message-ID: There is a guy in South Carolina that has a " field" of Jags, he is old and he thinks what he has is "gold", I can get you the number if you are interested, I haven't been there but some car buddies have. On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > Just on the chance someone here may have a lead. > > > > My friend had a woman talking on her cell phone in an SUV clobber him in > his > beautiful flat-floor E-type. > > Apparently there are no new production bonnets available at the moment in > the UK (they are apparently still making them these days). > > Any help locating a nice one or new one will be appreciated! > > > > You can contact Frank Filangeri directly at filafrank @ gmail . com > > He's on Long Island, NY > > > > > > Clark > > Clark W. Nicholls > > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new > owner > > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 07:34:15 2010 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:34:15 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looking forward to it. Ty Thompson 63 TR4 Colorado Ty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 12:07:08 To: Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 FOT: Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to run Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. NAME CAR STATE Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week of the 15th of November. Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of budget constraints. Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From igofaster at att.net Wed Nov 10 07:42:34 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 06:42:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Victory Lane November Issue Message-ID: <196077.81895.qm@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> So I see my pal Bob "Fireball" Kramer and is son Andrew "Sparky" Kramer made the front page insert on the November issue of Victory Lane... way to go Bob and son... the article on page 30 also shows the TR4 group but miss-named Andrew Kramer driving #69 Gary Fuqua's beautiful TR4... Gary only WISHES he was as young as Andrew : ) ... Finished up our 2010 season with CVAR this past weekend. Although I didn't get much track time still fiddling with SU's and YES Mukinis ... I did have the greatest time hanging out with our Texas FoT guys... SEVEN Triumphs! News flash.... SOMEHOW running in Group 7 DP (which includes Lotus Super 7's ???) yours truly placed SECOND PLACE DP in CVAR for 2010..... I assure you no one was more surprised than me.... So... I can now sign off as... Bobby Whitehead #39 DP Triumph GT6+ 2nd place winner 2010 DP CVAR 2010 From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Nov 10 08:38:30 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:38:30 EST Subject: [Fot] Victory Lane November Issue Message-ID: <289a6.3f6070a.3a0c1676@cs.com> Victory Lane is not known for their accuracy. Cheryl did a nice job of reporting on the HVR inaugural event, but VL did not adopt the corrections that were sent to them..... When I saw all of the errors, I set the magazine aside and have not read it since. Larry Young should have received credit for photo. I am sure that CMS will do a far better job of covering this event. > So I see my pal Bob "Fireball" Kramer and is son Andrew "Sparky" Kramer > made the > front page insert on the November issue of Victory Lane... way to go Bob > and > son... the article on page 30 also shows the TR4 group but miss-named > Andrew > Kramer driving #69 Gary Fuqua's beautiful TR4... Gary only WISHES he was > as > young as Andrew : ) ... > > Finished up our 2010 season with CVAR this past weekend. Although I didn't > get > much track time still fiddling with SU's and YES Mukinis ... I did have > the > greatest time hanging out with our Texas FoT guys... SEVEN Triumphs! > > News flash.... SOMEHOW running in Group 7 DP (which includes Lotus Super > 7's > ???) yours truly placed > SECOND PLACE DP in CVAR for 2010..... I assure you no one was more > surprised > than me.... > > So... I can now sign off as... > > Bobby Whitehead > #39 DP Triumph GT6+ > 2nd place winner 2010 DP CVAR 2010 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > From rikrock at live.com Wed Nov 10 13:08:47 2010 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:08:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rocker Arm Ratio? In-Reply-To: <4CD972C6.2040500@pobox.com> References: , <4CD972C6.2040500@pobox.com> Message-ID: Thanks for all the excellent replies. Seems like the best way to know for sure is to actually measure the rocker arms in question. The reason I'm trying to be so exact is that I am looking at the possibility of installing roller rockers in place of the stock ones on some motors which have oversize intake valves, fairly thin heads, steel shim gasket, not much deck height and .370" lift at cam. All the things which combine to make for valve clearance concerns, especially when it comes to the depth of the relief in the liners on the intake valve side. With this cam, the difference in lift at the valve between a 1.42 ratio and a 1.5 ratio rocker arm is .040". That would put the top ring real close to the existing relief. I wonder how close you can get? Is there a suggested minimum for this spec? Rich Rock From klynch_6 at msn.com Wed Nov 10 13:44:27 2010 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:44:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2nd > Silvio DeBartolomeis Message-ID: Fred, I'll secondo quello! (will second that ... ) Kev Lynch #6 RMVR From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Nov 10 14:46:40 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:46:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rocker Arm Ratio? In-Reply-To: References: , <4CD972C6.2040500@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4CDB12C0.40906@pobox.com> All of my racing cams have more than .370 lift with fairly tight valve lash and no one has experienced a problem with the rings. My heads have been milled about 0.170. I use a round burr with about 1/4 inch diameter to make a curved rather than flat relief, so that it doesn't have to go as deep. -Larry On 11/10/2010 2:08 PM, Rich Rock wrote: > Thanks for all the excellent replies. Seems like the best way to know for > sure is to actually measure the rocker arms in question. > > The reason I'm trying to be so exact is that I am looking at the possibility > of installing roller rockers in place of the stock ones on some motors which > have oversize intake valves, fairly thin heads, steel shim gasket, not much > deck height and .370" lift at cam. All the things which combine to make for > valve clearance concerns, especially when it comes to the depth of the relief > in the liners on the intake valve side. > > With this cam, the difference in lift at the valve between a 1.42 ratio and a > 1.5 ratio rocker arm is .040". That would put the top ring real close to the > existing relief. I wonder how close you can get? Is there a suggested > minimum for this spec? > > Rich Rock > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From stlnyc at msn.com Wed Nov 10 20:24:34 2010 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:24:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spelling correction Message-ID: Silvio DeBartolomeis' e-mail is silvio at koelbelco.com, For some reason I put a "y" in his name. Fred Hodgson From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 15:37:41 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:37:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Anybody who was anybody raced a Triumph Message-ID: <0B4EE921-35AD-4740-B82B-2BA5DE0C5505@earthlink.net> FOT, As you all know, lots of great drivers began their racing careers in Triumphs. I'm working on the event poster for the upcoming Kastner Cup event. All along the edges of the poster will be names of every Triumph racer known to man. Will you please send me an email with a list of anybody you know or remember who piloted a Triumph and what car(s) they drove? I'm compiling a big list encompassing racers of all levels, from amateur to professional. Don't forget to include your own names. Please email me directly, rather than reply-all to FOT. I'll update the list with a compilation names / cars organized alphabetically. Thanks! ~Steve Belfer, TR3 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Nov 11 15:59:09 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Anybody who was anybody raced a Triumph In-Reply-To: <0B4EE921-35AD-4740-B82B-2BA5DE0C5505@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <295741305.31032.1289516349081.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> OK, ......Jim Gray, Triumph TR-4...that Gray with an A jg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "friends of triumph" Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 3:37:41 PM Subject: [Fot] Anybody who was anybody raced a Triumph FOT, As you all know, lots of great drivers began their racing careers in B Triumphs. I'm working on the event poster for the upcoming Kastner Cup event. B All along the edges of the poster will be names of every Triumph racer B known to man. Will you please send me an email with a list of anybody you know or B remember who piloted a Triumph and what car(s) they drove? I'm compiling a big list encompassing racers of all levels, from B amateur to professional. B Don't forget to include your own names. Please email me directly, rather than reply-all to FOT. B I'll update B the list with a compilation names / cars organized alphabetically. Thanks! ~Steve Belfer, TR3 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From koblinger at verizon.net Thu Nov 11 16:24:14 2010 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:24:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] Anybody who was anybody raced a Triumph Message-ID: <735564641.121238.1289517854692.JavaMail.root@vznit170078> From alfetta95 at optonline.net Thu Nov 11 17:04:00 2010 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:04:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] Anybody who was anybody raced a Triumph In-Reply-To: <0B4EE921-35AD-4740-B82B-2BA5DE0C5505@earthlink.net> References: <0B4EE921-35AD-4740-B82B-2BA5DE0C5505@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Steve, Charles S. Redmond, 1958 TR3A I am unable to attend the event but would love to get a copy of the poster. How would I go about getting one? Thanks in advance, Todd Redmond 1958 TR3A - Being Restored ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Belfer Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010 5:53 pm Subject: [Fot] Anybody who was anybody raced a Triumph To: friends of triumph > FOT, > > As you all know, lots of great drivers began their racing > careers in > Triumphs. > I'm working on the event poster for the upcoming Kastner Cup > event. > All along the edges of the poster will be names of every Triumph > racer > known to man. > Will you please send me an email with a list of anybody you know > or > remember who piloted a Triumph and what car(s) they drove? > > I'm compiling a big list encompassing racers of all levels, from > > amateur to professional. Don't forget to include your own names. > > Please email me directly, rather than reply-all to FOT. I'll > update > the list with a compilation names / cars organized alphabetically. > > > Thanks! > > > ~Steve Belfer, TR3 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net From billdentin at aol.com Thu Nov 11 19:11:36 2010 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:11:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> Amici... I would like to nominate John Hagen for membership in the Friends of Tirumph. John owns a '63 TVR Grandura and just purchased an SCCA prepared TR-4--Raced 1972-1977 by Mike Lampe. Have log book etc--premier Morgan pilot and ex-Peyote owner/driver, Pat Starr, said he should join FOT. I am hoping Pat and others will second this nomination. He his just beginning the restoration and looking forward to 2011. John Hagen is President of Vintage Sports Car Racing (Minnesota) VSCR 763-684-1617. His email address is: jkhagen at charter.net Bill Dentinger From budscars at comcast.net Thu Nov 11 19:50:26 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:50:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I second the nomination... Racer Bud Spitfire #21 Sonoma, CA. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 6:11 PM Subject: [Fot] Nomination > Amici... > > I would like to nominate John Hagen for membership in the Friends of > Tirumph. > John owns a '63 TVR Grandura and just purchased an SCCA prepared > TR-4--Raced > 1972-1977 by Mike Lampe. Have log book etc--premier Morgan pilot and > ex-Peyote > owner/driver, Pat Starr, said he should join FOT. I am hoping Pat and > others > will second this nomination. He his just beginning the restoration and > looking forward to 2011. John Hagen is President of Vintage Sports Car > Racing > (Minnesota) VSCR 763-684-1617. His email address is: > jkhagen at charter.net > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Nov 11 20:01:15 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:01:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD502D01336D28-12E8-6F4C@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> Excellent! John sent me a picture of his new acquisition and it looks great. John is also a candidate for an Ambro build. But has set that idea aside until he gets the TR4 on the track. No shortage of enthusiasm there. We welcome him on board. Joe Alexander PS: Get your order into Kas for his new book. He will start shipping in less than 10 days. Congratulations to Tony for being featured on on the front cover. kaskastner.com is the website. There is a bonus DVD that goes with the book. Great value, great quality. They were printed in IOWA so I was lucky enough to get an early copy right off the presses. -----Original Message----- From: billdentin at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 8:11 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination Amici... I would like to nominate John Hagen for membership in the Friends of Tirumph. John owns a '63 TVR Grandura and just purchased an SCCA prepared TR-4--Raced 1972-1977 by Mike Lampe. Have log book etc--premier Morgan pilot and ex-Peyote owner/driver, Pat Starr, said he should join FOT. I am hoping Pat and others will second this nomination. He his just beginning the restoration and looking forward to 2011. John Hagen is President of Vintage Sports Car Racing (Minnesota) VSCR 763-684-1617. His email address is: jkhagen at charter.net Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From starr001 at umn.edu Thu Nov 11 20:09:34 2010 From: starr001 at umn.edu (Patrick Starr) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:09:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] second for John Hagen Message-ID: John Hagen is an enthusiastic participant in Vintage racing and is the president of our VSCR club in the Twin Cities area. He has Triumph history with a TR6 and will now join us with an old SCCA TR4 that he is restoring for 2011. I second his nomination. Pat Starr From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Nov 11 22:44:33 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:44:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> Message-ID: <20101112054407.13A7718765D@autox.team.net> I responded privately, but thought I'd throw it out publicly too - I'm planning to attend. Not sure about the race before the race, though. Would prefer a race AFTER the big Triumph event to have the best chance of a still running car at Seca. - Tony Drews At 01:00 PM 11/8/2010, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: >FOT > >The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. > >I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings >next week. > >Please take a moment. > >It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup recipents. > >Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... > >Thanks, > >Joe A >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From billdentin at aol.com Thu Nov 11 19:16:10 2010 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:16:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Anybody who was anybody raced a Triumph In-Reply-To: <0B4EE921-35AD-4740-B82B-2BA5DE0C5505@earthlink.net> References: <0B4EE921-35AD-4740-B82B-2BA5DE0C5505@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CD5026B5162FF4-1514-373B@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> For sure it should include: The Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team (in all its glory): Mike Belfer, 1963 Triumph TR3B, Don Brick, 1962 Triumph TR4, Bill Dentinger 1956 Triumph TR3, and Bob Wismer, 1962 Triumph TR4. Bill Dentinger From ac at camoletti.ch Fri Nov 12 01:54:28 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:54:28 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CD502D01336D28-12E8-6F4C@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> <8CD502D01336D28-12E8-6F4C@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001d01cb8247$37a8a840$a6f9f8c0$@camoletti.ch> A warm welcome to John Hagen! Looks like he will be another great contributor and enthusiast! -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de n197tr4 at cs.com Envoyi : vendredi 12 novembre 2010 04:01 @ : billdentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc : jkhagen at charter.net Objet : Re: [Fot] Nomination Excellent! John sent me a picture of his new acquisition and it looks great. John is also a candidate for an Ambro build. But has set that idea aside until he gets the TR4 on the track. No shortage of enthusiasm there. We welcome him on board. Joe Alexander PS: Get your order into Kas for his new book. He will start shipping in less than 10 days. Congratulations to Tony for being featured on on the front cover. kaskastner.com is the website. There is a bonus DVD that goes with the book. Great value, great quality. They were printed in IOWA so I was lucky enough to get an early copy right off the presses. -----Original Message----- From: billdentin at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 8:11 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination Amici... I would like to nominate John Hagen for membership in the Friends of Tirumph. John owns a '63 TVR Grandura and just purchased an SCCA prepared TR-4--Raced 1972-1977 by Mike Lampe. Have log book etc--premier Morgan pilot and ex-Peyote owner/driver, Pat Starr, said he should join FOT. I am hoping Pat and others will second this nomination. He his just beginning the restoration and looking forward to 2011. John Hagen is President of Vintage Sports Car Racing (Minnesota) VSCR 763-684-1617. His email address is: jkhagen at charter.net Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 08:58:01 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:58:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: FW: pics of TR-Spits/7's/ MGs Message-ID: Location is eastern N.C. Any questions you have I will try to answer ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Pictures of the cars Link To FLICKR Page With Photos Of Triumphs & MG's http://www.flickr.com/photos/55832223 at N03/sets/72157625367831036/ From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 09:06:36 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:06:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: FW: pics of TR-Spits/7's/ MGs Message-ID: I will try to answer any questions if I can this is the second try ..don't know if the first made it 69 cars in all Link To FLICKR Page With Photos Of Triumphs & MG's http://www.flickr.com/photos/55832223 at N03/sets/72157625367831036/ From jhouathome at aol.com Fri Nov 12 09:17:51 2010 From: jhouathome at aol.com (jhouathome at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:17:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD509C49BE9F7F-22B4-CCB0@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> John is an excelent guy who I have known for years. Great Triumph enthusiast, passionate vintage racer, adn an outstanding human being. Great addition to our list. Can't believe he hasn't been a part of it for years! John -----Original Message----- From: billdentin To: fot Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 8:40 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination Amici... I would like to nominate John Hagen for membership in the Friends of Tirumph. ohn owns a '63 TVR Grandura and just purchased an SCCA prepared TR-4--Raced 972-1977 by Mike Lampe. Have log book etc--premier Morgan pilot and ex-Peyote wner/driver, Pat Starr, said he should join FOT. I am hoping Pat and others ill second this nomination. He his just beginning the restoration and ooking forward to 2011. John Hagen is President of Vintage Sports Car Racing Minnesota) VSCR 763-684-1617. His email address is: jkhagen at charter.net Bill Dentinger ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com From jhouathome at aol.com Fri Nov 12 09:17:49 2010 From: jhouathome at aol.com (jhouathome at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:17:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD509C46B1DC7F-22B4-CCA9@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> John is an excelent guy who I have known for years. Great Triumph enthusiast, passionate vintage racer, adn an outstanding human being. Great addition to our list. Can't believe he hasn't been a part of it for years! John -----Original Message----- From: billdentin To: fot Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 8:40 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination Amici... I would like to nominate John Hagen for membership in the Friends of Tirumph. ohn owns a '63 TVR Grandura and just purchased an SCCA prepared TR-4--Raced 972-1977 by Mike Lampe. Have log book etc--premier Morgan pilot and ex-Peyote wner/driver, Pat Starr, said he should join FOT. I am hoping Pat and others ill second this nomination. He his just beginning the restoration and ooking forward to 2011. John Hagen is President of Vintage Sports Car Racing Minnesota) VSCR 763-684-1617. His email address is: jkhagen at charter.net Bill Dentinger ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 09:25:51 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:25:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRs/Spits/7's/MGs photos Message-ID: Pictures of 69 cars that need homes!? I will try to answer ant questions http://www.flickr.com/photos/55832223 at n03/sets/72157625367831036/ rob deanes TR Racer From bownes at seiri.com Fri Nov 12 10:22:07 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:22:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRs/Spits/7's/MGs photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Let's start with what state are they in? Thanks! Bob On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Robert Deanes wrote: > Pictures of 69 cars that need homes!? > I will try to answer ant questions > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55832223 at n03/sets/72157625367831036/ > > > > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 10:54:36 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:54:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRs/Spits/7's/MGs photos In-Reply-To: <13C7484D-EC36-4781-AA07-3F8ADF83B4D5@charter.net> References: <13C7484D-EC36-4781-AA07-3F8ADF83B4D5@charter.net> Message-ID: Yes, you would think they came from the beach ! some especially the MGs took a beating and TRs not far behind rob On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Jerry Barr wrote: > The place looks like British Sportscar hell. > On Nov 12, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Robert Deanes wrote: > > > Pictures of 69 cars that need homes!? > > I will try to answer ant questions > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55832223 at n03/sets/72157625367831036/ > > > > > > > > rob deanes > > TR Racer > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 10:56:40 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:56:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRs/Spits/7's/MGs photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: These cars are in Eastern N.C. just off I- 95 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:22 PM, robert bownes wrote: > Let's start with what state are they in? > > Thanks! > Bob > > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Robert Deanes wrote: > >> Pictures of 69 cars that need homes!? >> I will try to answer ant questions >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/55832223 at n03/sets/72157625367831036/ >> >> >> >> rob deanes >> TR Racer >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Nov 13 08:50:41 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:50:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing just adopted the 1981 GCR References: <1227430726.901887.1289347872921.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: That is very interesting and if this is a trend that other racing clubs pick up on it'll add a new dynamic to our racing. One of the nicer concepts of vintage racing is that we are or were all supposed to be building our cars to a point in time, with period correct parts. When we got together from the far reaches we can have at it with pretty comparable cars. If RMVR is going to push a Mikuni'd carbureted, fiberglassed fendered MGB into GT-1 and it means that the productiuon classes are going to be purer to that point in time, than I think these new classes are a good thing. I race in CVAR and we don't have issues with declining registrations so I don't see us adding to the years of eligibility any time soon. We do have the same problem that many clubs have with cars that are built well beyond the club's rules, which in our case is the 1972 GCR. In reading the RMVR webpage it was clear that both declining attendance and figuring out what to do with cars that were built to a modern standard drove their decision to add the 1981 classes. When I started I saw the firm rules as a good way to have competitive racing while being able to control the effects of throwing dollars at the cars. I started with a 5 grand TR3. I couldn't have afforded to go racing any other way. There was only so much you could do with the 1972 technology. I've been at it for fifteen years now and unfortunately the state of vintage racing these days has changed. Now we have 10,000 rpm / $10,000.00 motors in small bore cars all over the place. I guess those guys would want to go to GT-1 with their cars too. Then they can put on flares and slicks to match the rest of the car. I see this as a good outcome. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: Bob Kramer Cc: Mark Pendergrass ; N197TR4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing just adopted the 1981 GCR. The hope is to attract cars that are no longer competetive in SCCA/NASA but not elegible for current vintage rules and get them on track again. We have our own exceptions to the '81 GCR but not many. '81 GCR cars will have thier own classification such as DP-1, HP-1, etc. For cars that don't fit at all we have an exhibition class which people are allowed to race twice a year. As an example of the differences between clubs, TR-4's in RMVR don't get to run Webers but the Spridgets and MG's do. Hence my " cheater" mikunis. If I had it my way there would be a 2.5L FPF Coventry Climax in mine. From rwestfall at ymail.com Sat Nov 13 10:01:57 2010 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:01:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Nomination Message-ID: <690559.45783.qm@web59912.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 11/13/10, Russell Westfall wrote: From: Russell Westfall Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination To: "RACER BUD" Date: Saturday, November 13, 2010, 4:49 PM I would second or third the nomination of John Hagen. John and I have talked and we are interested in increasing the Triumph presence in vintage racing here in the frozen Tundra of Minnesota. I know that John will be a great asset to our group. I'm glad to have a new member so close.Russ WestfallTR4 --- On Fri, 11/12/10, RACER BUD wrote: From: RACER BUD Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination To: fot at autox.team.net, billdentin at aol.com Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 2:50 AM I second the nomination... Racer Bud Spitfire #21 Sonoma, CA. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 6:11 PM Subject: [Fot] Nomination > Amici... > > I would like to nominate John Hagen for membership in the Friends of Tirumph. > John owns a '63 TVR Grandura and just purchased an SCCA prepared TR-4--Raced > 1972-1977 by Mike Lampe. Have log book etc--premier Morgan pilot and ex-Peyote > owner/driver, Pat Starr, said he should join FOT. I am hoping Pat and others > will second this nomination. He his just beginning the restoration and > looking forward to 2011. John Hagen is President of Vintage Sports Car Racing > (Minnesota) VSCR 763-684-1617. His email address is: jkhagen at charter.net > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Sat Nov 13 20:28:30 2010 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:28:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Message-ID: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them after blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built new hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. Any imput would be great. Thanks Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Nov 13 22:08:31 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 23:08:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20101114050808.36262187645@autox.team.net> Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >after >blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From spitlist at cox.net Sat Nov 13 23:43:57 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 23:43:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <20101114050808.36262187645@autox.team.net> References: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20101114050808.36262187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Has anybody ever put a remote oil filter between the engine and the input of the oil cooler to prevent klag from getting into the cooler? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:09 PM To: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >after >blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Sun Nov 14 00:39:06 2010 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:39:06 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Throw it out you cannot guarantee to get all metal out , good insurance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Mehl" To: "Triumph Friends of" Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:28 PM Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be > accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them > after > blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built > new > hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. > Any imput would be great. > > Thanks > Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Nov 14 03:29:42 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:29:42 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901cb83e6$db0b51e0$9121f5a0$@com> Don't you guys run oil filters? I never did care about my oil coolers and hoses after an engine blow, bearing wear or something else. I never got debris from the cooler back into the engine, or better said it all accumulated in the filter. The debris size blocked by the filter is around 0.0001968" and after some use the filter blocks smaller sizes until the filter gets blocked for oil flow. I don't think that debris in the cooler would do any harm to the engine if a proper filter is installed and the oil pump won't complain about I suppose. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mike Mehl Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. November 2010 04:29 An: Triumph Friends of Betreff: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them after blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built new hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. Any imput would be great. Thanks Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From igofaster at att.net Sun Nov 14 08:17:03 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 07:17:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] when I grow up I want to be just like... In-Reply-To: References: <1227430726.901887.1289347872921.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <832229.46710.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bob Kramer.... Mikuni carburetors??? I have NO IDEA what you are referring to...... Don't worry... I'm going to build two manifolds for BOTH setups... just got the cars (TR6-GT6-Spitfire) situated yesterday. I think I'll send my SU's to Joe Curto... isn't that his name... the king of SU's? I've got the receipt where Bob Davis had them built years back. I'm going to ask him about the miss-matched jet issue and see if I can get a selection of needles and jets that I can play with. I have to say,with deep sincerity, your commitment to our marque and your patience and guidance (and loaner parts) with everyone in our little Texas Triumph F.o.T. camp at T.W.S. last weekend was very much appreciated. It kind of reminded me of a dad hoovering over all his kids making sure our bicycles were safe and our wheels wouldn't fall off. Although I didn't get in but two laps this past weekend fiddling with carburetors once again, the camaraderie and the friendships built and lasting, truly is as much fun and enjoyment as the actual racing. Thanks Bob ... honored to be your friend and running buddy.. Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Nov 14 09:20:19 2010 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:20:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E729AB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <> Yes, I do, as I'm sure lots of people do. It theoretically will catch all the scrap, but I always wonder whether the filter might clog and open the by-pass. I replace the cooler. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: 'Tony Drews' ; 'Mike Mehl' ; 'Triumph Friends of' Sent: Sun Nov 14 00:43:57 2010 Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Has anybody ever put a remote oil filter between the engine and the input of the oil cooler to prevent klag from getting into the cooler? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:09 PM To: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >after >blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 14 09:21:22 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:21:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] when I grow up I want to be just like... References: <1227430726.901887.1289347872921.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <832229.46710.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <88DA0F56B78E4A76BBBD235AE075D603@latitudefb1e41> Don't let my purist attitude toward SU's put you off. I believe there is room in most vintage organizations for all the various approaches and the run groups should be set up to deal with the realities of the way guys want to run their cars. I wish CVAR would set up another tier of rules at 1981 because that would allow the guys that we run with that want to, or have already taken it to a higher, more modern level a chance to do it legally and give the rest of us a better excuse for being slow! Our grids are mostly made up of cars built for vintage racing, not historic cars. Those cars go to the bigger festival events. It was cool to see that Cobra Daytona Coupe racing around Watkins Glen a few years ago and even cooler to be racing with some historic iron, but it is no longer the vintage racing norm for most of us. Consider that a plug to plan to go to Laguna Seca and see some rare cars. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: Bob Kramer Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 9:17 AM Subject: when I grow up I want to be just like... Bob Kramer.... Mikuni carburetors??? I have NO IDEA what you are referring to...... Don't worry... I'm going to build two manifolds for BOTH setups... just got the cars (TR6-GT6-Spitfire) situated yesterday. I think I'll send my SU's to Joe Curto... isn't that his name... the king of SU's? I've got the receipt where Bob Davis had them built years back. I'm going to ask him about the miss-matched jet issue and see if I can get a selection of needles and jets that I can play with. I have to say,with deep sincerity, your commitment to our marque and your patience and guidance (and loaner parts) with everyone in our little Texas Triumph F.o.T. camp at T.W.S. last weekend was very much appreciated. It kind of reminded me of a dad hoovering over all his kids making sure our bicycles were safe and our wheels wouldn't fall off. Although I didn't get in but two laps this past weekend fiddling with carburetors once again, the camaraderie and the friendships built and lasting, truly is as much fun and enjoyment as the actual racing. Thanks Bob ... honored to be your friend and running buddy.. Bobby Whitehead ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Nov 14 10:17:28 2010 From: fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:17:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning- testing the cooler In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E729AB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E729AB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CD5236F27A313D-18C8-186D2@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> I have an oil cooler testing tool, the pointy end of a nasty old chipping hammer... HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: spitlist ; tony ; mike.mehl ; fot Sent: Sun, Nov 14, 2010 11:40 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning <> Yes, I do, as I'm sure lots of people do. It theoretically will catch all the scrap, but I always wonder whether the filter might clog and open the by-pass. I replace the cooler. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: 'Tony Drews' ; 'Mike Mehl' ; 'Triumph Friends of' Sent: Sun Nov 14 00:43:57 2010 Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Has anybody ever put a remote oil filter between the engine and the input of the oil cooler to prevent klag from getting into the cooler? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:09 PM To: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >after >blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From jfrymark at aol.com Sun Nov 14 11:19:50 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:19:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Message-ID: <179D70A0-3471-4F99-AE6A-B0C70845AA8F@aol.com> Several regional Transit /Bus operators clean coolers (transmission and oil) using immersion in an ultrasonic tank while flushing filtered cleaning solution through. This is the only method I would rely on for routine cleaning. But after a grenaded engine, it's best to just get a new cooler. John Frymark From oldspeed72 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 14 12:36:46 2010 From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com (oldspeed72 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 19:36:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning- testing the cooler Message-ID: I donate mine to the local MG club ------Original Message------ From: Fubog1 Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: mike.mehl at yahoo.com To: FOT LIST Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning- testing the cooler Sent: Nov 14, 2010 11:17 AM I have an oil cooler testing tool, the pointy end of a nasty old chipping hammer... HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: spitlist ; tony ; mike.mehl ; fot Sent: Sun, Nov 14, 2010 11:40 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning <> Yes, I do, as I'm sure lots of people do. It theoretically will catch all the scrap, but I always wonder whether the filter might clog and open the by-pass. I replace the cooler. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: 'Tony Drews' ; 'Mike Mehl' ; 'Triumph Friends of' Sent: Sun Nov 14 00:43:57 2010 Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Has anybody ever put a remote oil filter between the engine and the input of the oil cooler to prevent klag from getting into the cooler? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:09 PM To: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >after >blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/oldspeed72 at yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Sun Nov 14 12:47:33 2010 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:47:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Message-ID: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> You all confirmed my thoughts. I will add it to the other one on the shelf and hope I don't expand my collection. I will order another one. I took apart my accusump and cleaned it and will puck the hoses. We have a system to shoot a puck (like an ear plug) through hoses to clean them after assembly. I did like one comment that suggested donating it to the MG club. Thanks all. Mike Mehl ________________________________ From: Tony Drews To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph Friends of Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:08:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >after >blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Nov 14 12:59:09 2010 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:59:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E729AB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E729AB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <001e01cb8436$66c83b90$3458b2b0$@rr.com> Folks, I have lurked on the sidelines and watched this thread. Is the savings of $100 worth risking an engine? Think how much that engine cost and realize you may also lose your entry fee for a race weekend when that lump croaks. Still a bargain? Okay, I offer the following.......I have two coolers that have been contaminated in the past sitting on a shelf. I offer these for free to anyone who competes against my Spitfire in the Northeast. I am even willing to provide a Guinness for you when you become a forced spectator with a dead engine. There are a number of pretty well experienced racers who have expressed facts, listen to them. My offer stands. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 (VARAC & VRG) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 11:20 AM To: spitlist at cox.net; tony at tonydrews.com; mike.mehl at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning <> Yes, I do, as I'm sure lots of people do. It theoretically will catch all the scrap, but I always wonder whether the filter might clog and open the by-pass. I replace the cooler. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: 'Tony Drews' ; 'Mike Mehl' ; 'Triumph Friends of' Sent: Sun Nov 14 00:43:57 2010 Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Has anybody ever put a remote oil filter between the engine and the input of the oil cooler to prevent klag from getting into the cooler? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:09 PM To: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >after >blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From billb at bnj.com Sun Nov 14 13:36:15 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:36:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Before you spend the bucks to replace that oil cooler, try running without it for awhile. If your oil temperature isn't getting too high, and your water temperature doesn't need the help, then let it go until you see a condition where it looks like it might help. I've stopped fitting oil coolers just by rote. Peyote still has one, mostly because it's there and the engine oil temp gets about right in the longer races--230-240. My new street TR3 hot rod won't have one unless it needs it, and neither will the AMBRO. I think with these wet sump engines that making sure the engine oil gets above 212 is a good thing. Cleans the mayo out of the oil. On Nov 14, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Mike Mehl wrote: > You all confirmed my thoughts. I will add it to the other one on the shelf > and > hope I don't expand my collection. I will order another one. I took > apart my > accusump and cleaned it and will puck the hoses. We have a system > to shoot a > puck (like an ear plug) through hoses to clean them after > assembly. > > > I did like one comment that suggested donating it to the MG > club. > > Thanks all. > > Mike Mehl > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Tony > Drews > To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph > Friends of > Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:08:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > Compare the price of a new oil cooler > with the price of a new > motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take > a chance to > save a hundred or two $. > > Seems a shame to throw away a new > cooler, but they are virtually > impossible to get completely clean, > unfortunately. > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >> Since > this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >> accumulating > Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >> after >> blowing > and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >> new >> hoses > too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >> Any imput > would be great. >> >> Thanks >> Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From kaskas at cox.net Sun Nov 14 14:22:06 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:22:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've said before, oil at 225 makes more power by far than at 180 or so. When in the old days and my TR-3 in about 5-7 laps the oil got to 300 and as we were not allowed to have oil coolers, I did the next best thing, I took out the gauge. Never made a bit of difference in longevity, and gave me peace of mind. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Babcock" Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 12:36 PM To: "Mike Mehl" Cc: "Triumph Friends of" Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > Before you spend the bucks to replace that oil cooler, try running without > it > for awhile. If your oil temperature isn't getting too high, and your water > temperature doesn't need the help, then let it go until you see a > condition > where it looks like it might help. I've stopped fitting oil coolers just > by > rote. Peyote still has one, mostly because it's there and the engine oil > temp > gets about right in the longer races--230-240. > > My new street TR3 hot rod won't have one unless it needs it, and neither > will > the AMBRO. > > I think with these wet sump engines that making sure the engine oil gets > above > 212 is a good thing. Cleans the mayo out of the oil. > > On Nov 14, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Mike Mehl wrote: > >> You all confirmed my thoughts. I will add it to the other one on the >> shelf >> and >> hope I don't expand my collection. I will order another one. I took >> apart my >> accusump and cleaned it and will puck the hoses. We have a system >> to shoot a >> puck (like an ear plug) through hoses to clean them after >> assembly. >> >> >> I did like one comment that suggested donating it to the MG >> club. >> >> Thanks all. >> >> Mike Mehl >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Tony >> Drews >> To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph >> Friends of >> Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:08:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning >> >> Compare the price of a new oil cooler >> with the price of a new >> motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take >> a chance to >> save a hundred or two $. >> >> Seems a shame to throw away a new >> cooler, but they are virtually >> impossible to get completely clean, >> unfortunately. >> >> - Tony Drews >> >> At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >>> Since >> this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >>> accumulating >> Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >>> after >>> blowing >> and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >>> new >>> hoses >> too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >>> Any imput >> would be great. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Mike Mehl #46 TR4 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From wes at hsrca.org.au Sun Nov 14 14:32:00 2010 From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:32:00 +1100 Subject: [Fot] when I grow up I want to be just like... In-Reply-To: <832229.46710.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Seeing the subject line on this note reminded me of a lovely little story about a conversation between Father and Son: Son: "Dad, when I grow up I want to be a racing car driver". Dad: "Sorry son, but you can't do both". Wes On 15/11/10 2:17 AM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > Bob Kramer.... > > Mikuni carburetors??? I have NO IDEA what you are referring to...... > > Don't worry... I'm going to build two manifolds for BOTH setups... just got > the > cars (TR6-GT6-Spitfire) situated yesterday. I think I'll send my SU's to Joe > Curto... isn't that his name... the king of SU's? I've got the receipt where > Bob > Davis had them built years back. I'm going to ask him about the miss-matched > jet > issue and see if I can get a selection of needles and jets that I can play > with. > > I have to say,with deep sincerity, your commitment to our marque and your > patience and guidance (and loaner parts) with everyone in our little Texas > Triumph F.o.T. camp at T.W.S. last weekend was very much appreciated. It kind > of > reminded me of a dad hoovering over all his kids making sure our bicycles were > safe and our wheels wouldn't fall off. > > Although I didn't get in but two laps this past weekend fiddling with > carburetors once again, the camaraderie and the friendships built and lasting, > truly is as much fun and enjoyment as the actual racing. > Thanks Bob ... honored to be your friend and running buddy.. > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wes at hsrca.org.au From spitlist at cox.net Sun Nov 14 15:26:52 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:26:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kas, I guess in this case, "Ignorance really is BLISS"! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:22 PM To: Bill Babcock; Mike Mehl Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning I've said before, oil at 225 makes more power by far than at 180 or so. When in the old days and my TR-3 in about 5-7 laps the oil got to 300 and as we were not allowed to have oil coolers, I did the next best thing, I took out the gauge. Never made a bit of difference in longevity, and gave me peace of mind. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Nov 14 16:18:17 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:18:17 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001cb8452$39abb490$ad031db0$@com> I never had an oil temp gauge in my car. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Joe Curry Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. November 2010 23:27 An: 'Kas Kastner'; 'Bill Babcock'; 'Mike Mehl' Cc: 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Kas, I guess in this case, "Ignorance really is BLISS"! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:22 PM To: Bill Babcock; Mike Mehl Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning I've said before, oil at 225 makes more power by far than at 180 or so. When in the old days and my TR-3 in about 5-7 laps the oil got to 300 and as we were not allowed to have oil coolers, I did the next best thing, I took out the gauge. Never made a bit of difference in longevity, and gave me peace of mind. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Nov 14 16:41:44 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:41:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CD526CA1581219-1950-1B006@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com> i took ours out a long time ago....temps seemed too low most of the time. ambro doesnt have one either. btw, i took 89 through Sedona this morning and had a conversation with an Officer PEYOTE. I told him he had a car named after him. he laughed and let me go. in Caifornia now -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock To: Mike Mehl Cc: Triumph Friends of Sent: Sun, Nov 14, 2010 2:36 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Before you spend the bucks to replace that oil cooler, try running without it for awhile. If your oil temperature isn't getting too high, and your water temperature doesn't need the help, then let it go until you see a condition where it looks like it might help. I've stopped fitting oil coolers just by rote. Peyote still has one, mostly because it's there and the engine oil temp gets about right in the longer races--230-240. My new street TR3 hot rod won't have one unless it needs it, and neither will the AMBRO. I think with these wet sump engines that making sure the engine oil gets above 212 is a good thing. Cleans the mayo out of the oil. On Nov 14, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Mike Mehl wrote: > You all confirmed my thoughts. I will add it to the other one on the shelf > and > hope I don't expand my collection. I will order another one. I took > apart my > accusump and cleaned it and will puck the hoses. We have a system > to shoot a > puck (like an ear plug) through hoses to clean them after > assembly. > > > I did like one comment that suggested donating it to the MG > club. > > Thanks all. > > Mike Mehl > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Tony > Drews > To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph > Friends of > Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:08:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > Compare the price of a new oil cooler > with the price of a new > motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take > a chance to > save a hundred or two $. > > Seems a shame to throw away a new > cooler, but they are virtually > impossible to get completely clean, > unfortunately. > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >> Since > this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >> accumulating > Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >> after >> blowing > and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >> new >> hoses > too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >> Any imput > would be great. >> >> Thanks >> Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From budscars at comcast.net Sun Nov 14 16:44:51 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:44:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <000001cb8452$39abb490$ad031db0$@com> Message-ID: <964B808DFF4248AAB7AF2B5B84B7F440@Bud> oil temp gauges are good to have to be sure your oil is warmed up enough in cold weather... RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning >I never had an oil temp gauge in my car. > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Joe Curry > Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. November 2010 23:27 > An: 'Kas Kastner'; 'Bill Babcock'; 'Mike Mehl' > Cc: 'Triumph Friends of' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > Kas, > I guess in this case, "Ignorance really is BLISS"! :) > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Kas Kastner > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:22 PM > To: Bill Babcock; Mike Mehl > Cc: Triumph Friends of > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > I've said before, oil at 225 makes more power by far than at 180 or so. > When > > in the old days and my TR-3 in about 5-7 laps the oil got to 300 and as we > were not allowed to have oil coolers, I did the next best thing, I took > out > the gauge. Never made a bit of difference in longevity, and gave me > peace > of mind. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Nov 14 17:21:55 2010 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 19:21:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CD526CA1581219-1950-1B006@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com> References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CD526CA1581219-1950-1B006@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I remember back when I worked at an import shop that had a lot of VW customers. The original VW GTIs, and all the Rabbits really, ran veryk high oil temps from the factory and it was never an issue. With modern synthetic oils, or blends thereof, 220F oil temps are simple a non issue, IMHO. As to what to do with a cooler after an engine failure? Toss 'em. Sacrificing a multi thousand dollar race engine for a hundred odd dollar oil cooler makes no sense to me. Terry Stetler From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 14 18:44:48 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 19:44:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801cb8466$b069b780$113d2680$@rr.com> My TR3 has been run more times with the oil cooler blocked than not. I can't get the oil over 180 with the air flowing through the cooler. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:36 PM To: Mike Mehl Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Before you spend the bucks to replace that oil cooler, try running without it for awhile. If your oil temperature isn't getting too high, and your water temperature doesn't need the help, then let it go until you see a condition where it looks like it might help. I've stopped fitting oil coolers just by rote. Peyote still has one, mostly because it's there and the engine oil temp gets about right in the longer races--230-240. My new street TR3 hot rod won't have one unless it needs it, and neither will the AMBRO. I think with these wet sump engines that making sure the engine oil gets above 212 is a good thing. Cleans the mayo out of the oil. On Nov 14, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Mike Mehl wrote: > You all confirmed my thoughts. I will add it to the other one on the shelf > and > hope I don't expand my collection. I will order another one. I took > apart my > accusump and cleaned it and will puck the hoses. We have a system > to shoot a > puck (like an ear plug) through hoses to clean them after > assembly. > > > I did like one comment that suggested donating it to the MG > club. > > Thanks all. > > Mike Mehl > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Tony > Drews > To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph > Friends of > Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:08:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > Compare the price of a new oil cooler > with the price of a new > motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take > a chance to > save a hundred or two $. > > Seems a shame to throw away a new > cooler, but they are virtually > impossible to get completely clean, > unfortunately. > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >> Since > this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >> accumulating > Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >> after >> blowing > and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >> new >> hoses > too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >> Any imput > would be great. >> >> Thanks >> Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From horizonracing at msn.com Sun Nov 14 19:21:51 2010 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:21:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike Yes, By all means get a new oil cooler if it is Reg. size and available. I have in the Past had Dry sump oil tanks and "special" Coolers/thermostats cleaned by "Lanfried Ultra sonic cleaning service' Carson, Ca. The FAA approve these guys to clean coolers Etc. IT's been a while since I have used them, So I don't know the current costs. best of Luck Tony > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:47:33 -0800 > From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com > To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > You all confirmed my thoughts. I will add it to the other one on the shelf > and > hope I don't expand my collection. I will order another one. I took > apart my > accusump and cleaned it and will puck the hoses. We have a system > to shoot a > puck (like an ear plug) through hoses to clean them after > assembly. > > > I did like one comment that suggested donating it to the MG > club. > > Thanks all. > > Mike Mehl > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Tony > Drews > To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph > Friends of > Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:08:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > Compare the price of a new oil cooler > with the price of a new > motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take > a chance to > save a hundred or two $. > > Seems a shame to throw away a new > cooler, but they are virtually > impossible to get completely clean, > unfortunately. > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: > >Since > this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be > >accumulating > Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them > >after > >blowing > and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built > >new > >hoses > too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. > >Any imput > would be great. > > > >Thanks > >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From horizonracing at msn.com Sun Nov 14 19:22:04 2010 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:22:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike Yes, By all means get a new oil cooler if it is Reg. size and available. I have in the Past had Dry sump oil tanks and "special" Coolers/thermostats cleaned by "Lanfried Ultra sonic cleaning service' Carson, Ca. The FAA approve these guys to clean coolers Etc. IT's been a while since I have used them, So I don't know the current costs. best of Luck Tony > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:47:33 -0800 > From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com > To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > You all confirmed my thoughts. I will add it to the other one on the shelf > and > hope I don't expand my collection. I will order another one. I took > apart my > accusump and cleaned it and will puck the hoses. We have a system > to shoot a > puck (like an ear plug) through hoses to clean them after > assembly. > > > I did like one comment that suggested donating it to the MG > club. > > Thanks all. > > Mike Mehl > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Tony > Drews > To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph > Friends of > Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:08:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > Compare the price of a new oil cooler > with the price of a new > motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take > a chance to > save a hundred or two $. > > Seems a shame to throw away a new > cooler, but they are virtually > impossible to get completely clean, > unfortunately. > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: > >Since > this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be > >accumulating > Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them > >after > >blowing > and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built > >new > >hoses > too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. > >Any imput > would be great. > > > >Thanks > >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From smockracer at charter.net Sun Nov 14 19:35:29 2010 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:35:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Message-ID: <0E40F4E79EEE4823B3B9A4F9919BFA1E@fred> ----- Original Message ----- From: MORDY DUNST To: Paul Smock ; John Nikas Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Paul... I added a few lines What do you think? --------------------------------------- Car appearance and presentation will be a very important aspect to our event with the Historic Motor Sports Association at Laguna Seca. With this in mind we will need current pictures of your car. We would highly recommend 3/4Front and 3/4 Rear accompanied with a very short BIO on your car and driver. Your car has to be approved. You must be currently configured to your home Vintage Motor Club's rules and have a Log Book. Send (non returnable) pictures to Paul Smock 2439 Monogram Ave. Long Beach,Ca. 90815 Phone #562 221 4121. Jpeg images are also acceptable as long as the file size is between 500 to 700 KB. These may be sent to smockracer at charter.net For more information about the Venue and the Historic Motor Sports Association visit the following links. http://www.hmsausa.com http://www.mazdaraceway.com/ . From smockracer at charter.net Sun Nov 14 19:35:29 2010 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:35:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Message-ID: <3AB1537ED1D44C3EA70E1158991104E8@fred> ----- Original Message ----- From: MORDY DUNST To: Paul Smock ; John Nikas Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Paul... I added a few lines What do you think? --------------------------------------- Car appearance and presentation will be a very important aspect to our event with the Historic Motor Sports Association at Laguna Seca. With this in mind we will need current pictures of your car. We would highly recommend 3/4Front and 3/4 Rear accompanied with a very short BIO on your car and driver. Your car has to be approved. You must be currently configured to your home Vintage Motor Club's rules and have a Log Book. Send (non returnable) pictures to Paul Smock 2439 Monogram Ave. Long Beach,Ca. 90815 Phone #562 221 4121. Jpeg images are also acceptable as long as the file size is between 500 to 700 KB. These may be sent to smockracer at charter.net For more information about the Venue and the Historic Motor Sports Association visit the following links. http://www.hmsausa.com http://www.mazdaraceway.com/ . From klynch_6 at msn.com Sun Nov 14 20:49:03 2010 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:49:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Message-ID: Let's see... 'pretentious'...that's the word! jus sayin'. One might think we run around in a bunch of 'crap wagons'!? #6 From cwnfot at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 06:32:23 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:32:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003501cb84c9$89fbe1f0$9df3a5d0$@com> Reminds me of the 1979 SCCA Runoffs at Road Atlanta. Steve Johnson showed up on the FP race grid in his Spitfire with all the gauges covered with duct tape. He went on to win the race and the championship. I seem to remember his engine was put together from a collection of parts from several engines that week. I don't remember if I took a photo or if the image is burned into my memory! His victory lap photo was used in a British Leyland magazine advertisement. Last I knew Steve is retired in the Caribbean somewhere. Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." -----Original Message----- Kas, I guess in this case, "Ignorance really is BLISS"! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- I've said before, oil at 225 makes more power by far than at 180 or so. When in the old days and my TR-3 in about 5-7 laps the oil got to 300 and as we were not allowed to have oil coolers, I did the next best thing, I took out the gauge. Never made a bit of difference in longevity, and gave me peace of mind. Kas From gasket.works at verizon.net Mon Nov 15 08:21:27 2010 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:21:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup References: Message-ID: <002201cb84d8$c6cd0b40$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Kevin; There have been some comments that some cars need some cleaning up. MINE INCLUDED!~!~!~ can you imagine? Paul Smock has been designated as our Laguna Seca "Kas Cup" arbitrator with HMSA regarding these issues. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 7:49 PM Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup > Let's see... 'pretentious'...that's the word! > > jus sayin'. > One might think we run around in a bunch of 'crap wagons'!? > > #6 From jason at multivintage.com Mon Nov 15 08:44:45 2010 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:44:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca Message-ID: Kastner Cupers, OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA or not. My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed 1972 specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to race in any group. How will this all pan out? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car starting in1971) Brookfield IL From klynch_6 at msn.com Mon Nov 15 09:15:53 2010 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:15:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <002201cb84d8$c6cd0b40$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> References: <002201cb84d8$c6cd0b40$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: Sorry Mordy, just rubbed me the wrong way. Am glad that you have some "Don't Tread/Judge on Me' liaison in place. This is the very thing that keeps the 'common man' (driving 1500+ miles) from fulfilling one for his 'common' bucket list. I just hope Mordy, FOT can negotiate around this needless pomposity. This ain't 'Housewives of Carmel Valley'! So my apologies gang, it's just how I feel about it. Let me just get situated on top of the dunking pool here, You may fire when ready... #6 Subprime Vintage Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: MORDY DUNST To: KEVIN LYNCH ; FOT Cc: editor at vintageracecar.com Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Kevin; There have been some comments that some cars need some cleaning up. MINE INCLUDED!~!~!~ can you imagine? Paul Smock has been designated as our Laguna Seca "Kas Cup" arbitrator with HMSA regarding these issues. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 7:49 PM Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup > Let's see... 'pretentious'...that's the word! > > jus sayin'. > One might think we run around in a bunch of 'crap wagons'!? > > #6 From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Nov 15 09:21:43 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:21:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD52F853B899AB-1D18-CAD@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> when featured marques come in from all over the country eligibility is relaxed. but must conform to your home organization. after that cars of significance might be considered on a case by case basis. Mordy says that Paul Smock will field issues of eligibility. plan on being there. btw, did you get a call from John W? -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:44 am Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca Kastner Cupers, OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA or not. My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed 1972 specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to race in any group. How will this all pan out? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car starting in1971) Brookfield IL _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 15 09:28:07 2010 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (sbracing at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:28:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <726922.45227.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://hugihali.tripod.com/ From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Nov 15 09:37:51 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:37:51 EST Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Message-ID: <5d11.851cd03.3a12bbdf@aol.com> In a message dated 11/15/2010 9:38:05 AM Central Standard Time, gasket.works at verizon.net writes: > There have been some comments that some cars need some cleaning up. MINE > > INCLUDED!~!~!~ can you imagine? Paul Smock has been designated as our > Laguna Seca "Kas Cup" arbitrator with > HMSA regarding these issues. > Amici... I think this is a good thing. PRESENTATION is important in vintage racing, Vintage race cars ought to look good. Effort and funding ought to be expended towards that end. I can remember back in the late 1970s and early 1980s when vintage racing was first taking off the 'caveat' from the sanctioning bodies was, "We don't want a bunch of rusty TR3s!" That used to hurt my feelings, even though my car was prepared and presented properly and certainly not rusty. But TRIUMPH often has this 'bottom of the sports car barrel' reputation. We're too common by some standards. TRIUMPH has earned its place in sports car racing, and it is far from the bottom of the barrel. Vintage TRIUMPH racers help polish our reputation by racing cars that look as good as they run. Since TRIUMPH will be a featured marque at these events, I'll be surprised if the sanctioning bodies don't look the other way at preparation levels which might be over and above their own regulations (providing the car is accepted in another venue). But I give them credit if they seek 'good looking' race cars. I think that is in everyone's best interests. Bill Dentinger From horizonracing at msn.com Mon Nov 15 10:06:23 2010 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:06:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <5d11.851cd03.3a12bbdf@aol.com> References: <5d11.851cd03.3a12bbdf@aol.com> Message-ID: Nicely said Bill ! > From: BillDentin at aol.com > Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:37:51 -0500 > To: gasket.works at verizon.net; klynch_6 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > CC: editor at vintageracecar.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup > > In a message dated 11/15/2010 9:38:05 AM Central Standard Time, > gasket.works at verizon.net writes: > > > > There have been some comments that some cars need some cleaning up. MINE > > > > INCLUDED!~!~!~ can you imagine? Paul Smock has been designated as our > > Laguna Seca "Kas Cup" arbitrator with > > HMSA regarding these issues. > > > Amici... > > I think this is a good thing. PRESENTATION is important in vintage racing, > Vintage race cars ought to look good. Effort and funding ought to be > expended towards that end. I can remember back in the late 1970s and early > 1980s when vintage racing was first taking off the 'caveat' from the sanctioning > bodies was, "We don't want a bunch of rusty TR3s!" That used to hurt my > feelings, even though my car was prepared and presented properly and certainly > not rusty. But TRIUMPH often has this 'bottom of the sports car barrel' > reputation. We're too common by some standards. TRIUMPH has earned its place > in sports car racing, and it is far from the bottom of the barrel. Vintage > TRIUMPH racers help polish our reputation by racing cars that look as good > as they run. > > Since TRIUMPH will be a featured marque at these events, I'll be surprised > if the sanctioning bodies don't look the other way at preparation levels > which might be over and above their own regulations (providing the car is > accepted in another venue). But I give them credit if they seek 'good looking' > race cars. I think that is in everyone's best interests. > > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From chasgee at aol.com Mon Nov 15 10:31:22 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:31:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca In-Reply-To: <8CD52F853B899AB-1D18-CAD@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD52F853B899AB-1D18-CAD@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD53020E9288B5-180-5CA@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> I hate to stirr up trouble, but someone needs to bluntly ask HMSA if they will accept anyone regardless of prep levels. They have always been sticklers in the past. It is only fair to those who want to make the long tow. Will you be doing that Paul? I, for one, do not want to change anything, including tires, for one event. Sorry to be so negative, but they have a reputation for purity, which I understand. But we need to know up front. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: jason at multivintage.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:21 am Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca when featured marques come in from all over the country eligibility is elaxed. but must conform to your home organization. after that cars of significance might be considered on a case by case basis. Mordy says that Paul Smock will field issues of eligibility. plan on being there. btw, did you get a call from John W? -----Original Message----- rom: Jason Ostrowski o: fot at autox.team.net ent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:44 am ubject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca astner Cupers, OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA or not. My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed 1972 specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to race in any group. How will this all pan out? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car starting in1971) Brookfield IL _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon Nov 15 10:50:01 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:50:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <5d11.851cd03.3a12bbdf@aol.com> References: <5d11.851cd03.3a12bbdf@aol.com> Message-ID: <32529EF27E0D4EBBB580B75AE0BA6EDD@KasPC> Just mostly they want you to replace the handle bars with an actual steering wheel, might help your lap times too. -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 8:37 AM To: ; ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup > In a message dated 11/15/2010 9:38:05 AM Central Standard Time, > gasket.works at verizon.net writes: > > >> There have been some comments that some cars need some cleaning up. MINE >> >> INCLUDED!~!~!~ can you imagine? Paul Smock has been designated as our >> Laguna Seca "Kas Cup" arbitrator with >> HMSA regarding these issues. >> > Amici... > > I think this is a good thing. PRESENTATION is important in vintage > racing, > Vintage race cars ought to look good. Effort and funding ought to be > expended towards that end. I can remember back in the late 1970s and > early > 1980s when vintage racing was first taking off the 'caveat' from the > sanctioning > bodies was, "We don't want a bunch of rusty TR3s!" That used to hurt my > feelings, even though my car was prepared and presented properly and > certainly > not rusty. But TRIUMPH often has this 'bottom of the sports car barrel' > reputation. We're too common by some standards. TRIUMPH has earned its > place > in sports car racing, and it is far from the bottom of the barrel. > Vintage > TRIUMPH racers help polish our reputation by racing cars that look as good > as they run. > > Since TRIUMPH will be a featured marque at these events, I'll be surprised > if the sanctioning bodies don't look the other way at preparation levels > which might be over and above their own regulations (providing the car is > accepted in another venue). But I give them credit if they seek 'good > looking' > race cars. I think that is in everyone's best interests. > > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From KENMUN at aol.com Mon Nov 15 11:04:46 2010 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:04:46 EST Subject: [Fot] wrist pins for 83mm pistons Message-ID: <52495.7d3e41b.3a12d03e@aol.com> anyone have a good set of wrist pins they'd like to sell? thanks, ken m. vintage tr3 racer From barry at penybryn.ca Mon Nov 15 11:36:10 2010 From: barry at penybryn.ca (Barry Munson) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:36:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Influence In-Reply-To: <003501cb84c9$89fbe1f0$9df3a5d0$@com> References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <003501cb84c9$89fbe1f0$9df3a5d0$@com> Message-ID: <000401cb84f3$fb6e4ba0$f24ae2e0$@ca> Amici - Who says racing is all serious business when in reality a good chuckle, especially post race is always remembered. In the context of Clark's note below I offer the following example. The scene is at last year's Indy Car race here in Edmonton where I was participating with 60 other competitors in the support race on a 2.2 mile temporary road course on the downtown airport. It was on Saturday in our 45 minute qualifying race, the temperature was 90+, when within 3 laps after the green flag the oil temperature soared to over 300 degrees and as I was leading my class at the time which would have meant a great starting position for the feature race in front of 50,000 people the next day, the thought of backing off didn't have a bunch of appeal, logic notwithstanding. Racing luck intervened on lap 5 with a full course yellow which lasted 8 laps (seems that the Starter collapsed in his stand - heat prostration). This respite presented the opportunity to reassess the situation - even with the reduced speed under yellow and pulling the car into clean air the oil temperature wouldn't go below 300. There wasn't much I could do short of pulling in and that wasn't going to happen - you know it's amazing what goes through your mind in situations like that - here's what went through mine. I can't do anything about it short of quitting, the gauge was driving me crazy and at that point I remembered a short passage from one of Kas's books, something about removing his oil temperature gauge, obviously I couldn't do that so I did the next best thing. Because of the heat I had added a hydration system with the hose running over my shoulder and into my helmet, the hose was secured to my shoulder with a piece of duct tape - you can see where this is going can't you - I loosened my belts, reached over and removed the duct tape from my shoulder, and completely covered the gauge with it, tightened the belts back up and when the green dropped went back at it. With the gauge distraction removed I did short shift by a 1000, really beat the car up trying to maintain momentum in the corners and only lost a couple of positions. When I returned to the paddock my crew chief, while helping me extract myself, gave me this puzzled look as his saw the duct tape covering the gauge, to which my comment was "don't even ask, Kas made me do it....." Barry. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Clark W. Nicholls Sent: November-15-10 6:32 AM To: 'Joe Curry'; 'Kas Kastner'; 'Bill Babcock'; 'Mike Mehl' Cc: 'Triumph Friends of' Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Reminds me of the 1979 SCCA Runoffs at Road Atlanta. Steve Johnson showed up on the FP race grid in his Spitfire with all the gauges covered with duct tape. He went on to win the race and the championship. I seem to remember his engine was put together from a collection of parts from several engines that week. I don't remember if I took a photo or if the image is burned into my memory! His victory lap photo was used in a British Leyland magazine advertisement. Last I knew Steve is retired in the Caribbean somewhere. Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." -----Original Message----- Kas, I guess in this case, "Ignorance really is BLISS"! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- I've said before, oil at 225 makes more power by far than at 180 or so. When in the old days and my TR-3 in about 5-7 laps the oil got to 300 and as we were not allowed to have oil coolers, I did the next best thing, I took out the gauge. Never made a bit of difference in longevity, and gave me peace of mind. Kas _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/barry at penybryn.ca From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Nov 15 11:40:19 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:40:19 EST Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Message-ID: In a message dated 11/15/2010 11:50:16 AM Central Standard Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: > Just mostly they want you to replace the handle bars with an actual > steering > wheel, might help your lap times too. > Thanks, Kas... That first year we put those handle bars on the car as a joke, we had a ball going through Tech. Because of our straight faced attitude, the fact that they were completely functional, and the official TRIUMPH hub cap badge they sport, they caused more high power caucuses than early "No Way!" reactions in Tech. Those handle bars have long been Ole Blue's signature upgrade, but I can only use them for drag racing, or generating puzzled looks and questions in our paddock. The most common question being, "Is the driver handicapped?" And of course, Wismer answers, "Yeah!" But except for slight bends in the road like 'the kink', I can't get the handle bars past my gut in hard turns when road racing. It's my gut and lack of natural talent impacting my lap times...not the handle bars. But as always, I appreciate, seek and need any and all further council. Keep it coming. Hope you and Peg are healthy, happy and warm. Bill From smockracer at charter.net Mon Nov 15 12:12:35 2010 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:12:35 -0800 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca References: <8CD52F853B899AB-1D18-CAD@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> <8CD53020E9288B5-180-5CA@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <523AFD38E30F481D8D726E07438E75CF@fred> YOUR CAR HAS TO BE APPROVED, THAT 'S WHAT THE PICTURES ARE FOR. (NO PRIMER,BIG DENTS, SHINY PRETTY TRIUMPHS) YOUR CAR MUST BE CONFIGURED TO YOUR VINTAGE CLUB'S RULES AND HAVE A CURRENT LOG BOOK! Your car runs under your Vintage club's rules. Paul #190 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca >I hate to stirr up trouble, but someone needs to bluntly ask HMSA if they >will > accept anyone regardless of prep levels. They have always been sticklers > in > the past. It is only fair to those who want to make the long tow. > > Will you be doing that Paul? I, for one, do not want to change anything, > including tires, for one event. > > Sorry to be so negative, but they have a reputation for purity, which I > understand. But we need to know up front. > > Chuck > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > To: jason at multivintage.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:21 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > > when featured marques come in from all over the country eligibility is > elaxed. > but must conform to your home organization. > after that cars of significance might be considered on a case by case > basis. > Mordy says that Paul Smock will field issues of eligibility. > plan on being there. > btw, did you get a call from John W? > > > > -----Original Message----- > rom: Jason Ostrowski > o: fot at autox.team.net > ent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:44 am > ubject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > astner Cupers, > > OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA > or > not. > My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own > sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. > I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some > track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. > > Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed > 1972 > specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year > racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to > race > in any group. How will this all pan out? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car > starting > in1971) > Brookfield IL > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/smockracer at charter.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 12:16:45 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:16:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You must ONLY comply with your home sanctioning body's rules. If you have a log book showing such compliance you will be fine. On Nov 15, 2010 8:10 AM, "Jason Ostrowski" wrote: > Kastner Cupers, > > OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA or > not. > My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own > sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. > I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some > track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. > > Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed 1972 > specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year > racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to race > in any group. How will this all pan out? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car starting > in1971) > Brookfield IL > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From smockracer at charter.net Mon Nov 15 12:57:42 2010 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:57:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca References: <8CD52F853B899AB-1D18-CAD@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> <8CD53020E9288B5-180-5CA@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: YOUR CAR HAS TO BE APPROVED, THAT'S WHAT THE PICTURES ARE FOR(NO PRIMER,BIG DENTS,SHINY PRETTY TRIUMPHS) YOUR CAR MUST BE CONFIGURED TO YOUR HOME VINTAGE CLUB'S RULES AND HAVE A CURRENT LOG BOOK. My car runs with VARA and has an Annual Inspection stamped in log book. Paul TR4A #190 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca >I hate to stirr up trouble, but someone needs to bluntly ask HMSA if they >will > accept anyone regardless of prep levels. They have always been sticklers > in > the past. It is only fair to those who want to make the long tow. > > Will you be doing that Paul? I, for one, do not want to change anything, > including tires, for one event. > > Sorry to be so negative, but they have a reputation for purity, which I > understand. But we need to know up front. > > Chuck > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > To: jason at multivintage.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:21 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > > when featured marques come in from all over the country eligibility is > elaxed. > but must conform to your home organization. > after that cars of significance might be considered on a case by case > basis. > Mordy says that Paul Smock will field issues of eligibility. > plan on being there. > btw, did you get a call from John W? > > > > -----Original Message----- > rom: Jason Ostrowski > o: fot at autox.team.net > ent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:44 am > ubject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > astner Cupers, > > OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA > or > not. > My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own > sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. > I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some > track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. > > Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed > 1972 > specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year > racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to > race > in any group. How will this all pan out? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car > starting > in1971) > Brookfield IL > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/smockracer at charter.net From smockracer at charter.net Mon Nov 15 12:57:42 2010 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:57:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca References: <8CD52F853B899AB-1D18-CAD@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> <8CD53020E9288B5-180-5CA@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: YOUR CAR HAS TO BE APPROVED, THAT'S WHAT THE PICTURES ARE FOR(NO PRIMER,BIG DENTS,SHINY PRETTY TRIUMPHS) YOUR CAR MUST BE CONFIGURED TO YOUR HOME VINTAGE CLUB'S RULES AND HAVE A CURRENT LOG BOOK. My car runs with VARA and has an Annual Inspection stamped in log book. Paul TR4A #190 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca >I hate to stirr up trouble, but someone needs to bluntly ask HMSA if they >will > accept anyone regardless of prep levels. They have always been sticklers > in > the past. It is only fair to those who want to make the long tow. > > Will you be doing that Paul? I, for one, do not want to change anything, > including tires, for one event. > > Sorry to be so negative, but they have a reputation for purity, which I > understand. But we need to know up front. > > Chuck > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > To: jason at multivintage.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:21 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > > when featured marques come in from all over the country eligibility is > elaxed. > but must conform to your home organization. > after that cars of significance might be considered on a case by case > basis. > Mordy says that Paul Smock will field issues of eligibility. > plan on being there. > btw, did you get a call from John W? > > > > -----Original Message----- > rom: Jason Ostrowski > o: fot at autox.team.net > ent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:44 am > ubject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > astner Cupers, > > OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA > or > not. > My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own > sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. > I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some > track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. > > Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed > 1972 > specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year > racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to > race > in any group. How will this all pan out? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car > starting > in1971) > Brookfield IL > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/smockracer at charter.net From jkhagen at charter.net Mon Nov 15 13:09:53 2010 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:09:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Message-ID: <977382992.1159292.1289851796157.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Bill My Hero and fellow FOTs'--This is from new-bee John Hagen--My newly acquired TR-4 has LSD [diff] locking one wheel 20lbs turns other wheel--anyone know spec. and parts or service [US] Rimmer Bros has exchange. Thanks - John Hagen 763-684-1617 On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:40 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/15/2010 11:50:16 AM Central Standard Time, > kaskas at cox.net writes: > > >> Just mostly they want you to replace the handle bars with an actual >> steering wheel, might help your lap times too. >> > > Thanks, Kas... > > That first year we put those handle bars on the car as a joke, we had > a ball going through Tech. Because of our straight faced attitude, > the fact that they were completely functional, and the official > TRIUMPH hub cap badge they sport, they caused more high power caucuses > than early "No Way!" reactions in Tech. > Those handle bars have long been Ole Blue's signature upgrade, but I > can only use them for drag racing, or generating puzzled looks and > questions in our paddock. The most common question being, "Is the > driver handicapped?" And of course, Wismer answers, "Yeah!" > > But except for slight bends in the road like 'the kink', I can't get > the handle bars past my gut in hard turns when road racing. It's my > gut and lack of natural talent impacting my lap times...not the handle > bars. But as always, I appreciate, seek and need any and all further > council. > Keep it coming. > > Hope you and Peg are healthy, happy and warm. > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From smockracer at charter.net Mon Nov 15 12:57:42 2010 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:57:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca References: <8CD52F853B899AB-1D18-CAD@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> <8CD53020E9288B5-180-5CA@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: YOUR CAR HAS TO BE APPROVED, THAT'S WHAT THE PICTURES ARE FOR(NO PRIMER,BIG DENTS,SHINY PRETTY TRIUMPHS) YOUR CAR MUST BE CONFIGURED TO YOUR HOME VINTAGE CLUB'S RULES AND HAVE A CURRENT LOG BOOK. My car runs with VARA and has an Annual Inspection stamped in log book. Paul TR4A #190 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca >I hate to stirr up trouble, but someone needs to bluntly ask HMSA if they >will > accept anyone regardless of prep levels. They have always been sticklers > in > the past. It is only fair to those who want to make the long tow. > > Will you be doing that Paul? I, for one, do not want to change anything, > including tires, for one event. > > Sorry to be so negative, but they have a reputation for purity, which I > understand. But we need to know up front. > > Chuck > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > To: jason at multivintage.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:21 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > > when featured marques come in from all over the country eligibility is > elaxed. > but must conform to your home organization. > after that cars of significance might be considered on a case by case > basis. > Mordy says that Paul Smock will field issues of eligibility. > plan on being there. > btw, did you get a call from John W? > > > > -----Original Message----- > rom: Jason Ostrowski > o: fot at autox.team.net > ent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:44 am > ubject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > astner Cupers, > > OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA > or > not. > My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own > sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. > I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some > track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. > > Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed > 1972 > specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year > racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to > race > in any group. How will this all pan out? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car > starting > in1971) > Brookfield IL > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/smockracer at charter.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 08:55:38 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:55:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: References: <70C9067DDE9649C1B77D215575394827@Pendys> Message-ID: This discussion in interesting but wholly premature. When the idea of hosting the Cup next year was raised in June with HMSA this issue was discussed. The preliminary understanding is that you must comply with your home sanctioning body's rules (not HMSA). To do otherwise would preclude the participation of cars from across the country which is the intent. This isn't an application event. There will be a registration for which you will make clear you are a Cup participant. On Nov 9, 2010 7:46 AM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: > Gee, why not? Why not have V8's and six speeds? Where should that line be > drawn? Most folks would like it to be drawn right behind them. > > I empathize, I have a TR3 rotting in my basement that I spent a small fortune > on before I realized that sanctioning bodies have rules. But they do. Some > bend more than others. HMSA is a for-profit company, and they're interested in > lots of entries, but they stand pretty solid on period-correct modifications. > If you can show a crank-fired ignition and flares in a relevant GCR then > you're in. > > That said, this isn't the Monterey Historics, and there will probably be > latitude. You need to find out what they will accept in a car being towed a > long way. The way it usually works is that if your'e a local, they're pretty > strict. You have only a few races to get your car in conformance before it's > banned. A one-time visitor often just has the non-conforming bits noted. Your > mileage may vary. Fill out the car description in MINUTE detail and see if > they accept your entry. > > On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:00 PM, Mark Pendergrass wrote: > >> Well Listers, here we go, what constitutes a legitimate entrant ?? You > talking me or my morfidite car? So the HMSA says they prefer,or better > yet,require that the car be a true racer and restored to boot, well I guess > I'm a little confused here. This old hotrod TR4 that i have was raced on the > east coast most of it life, has log books.......yes books,( plural). Yeah it's > not stock, it's a race car, it's what my 3 children chose to buy their dad as > a gift. It's probably got more stories than most. Does it blow the doors off > the competetion because it's SOOOO modified? not hardly. Do the flares, bigger > tires, alternator, crank fire etc; make it less of a true race car?? I don't > think so. You know, people pay good monies to take-in the 'ol cars wheather > they be stock, modified or whatever, It's time that some people and or > sanctioning bodies start thinking outside the box. And no, i'm not saying to > let V8s 6spds and dana 60s run amuk. So if i've offended some people...oh > well, am i enterested in the LS Kastner Cup ?? Absolutely, sounds like a hoot > and would like to meet some of the FOT family, so if you folks don't mind the > car or my charming attitude, then count me > in............signed........Legitimate Entrant >> >> >> Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 >> >> >>> FOT: >>> >>> Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to > run >>> Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. >>> >>> NAME CAR STATE >>> >>> Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week > of >>> the 15th of November. >>> >>> Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we >>> have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of >>> budget constraints. >>> >>> Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. >>> >>> Joe A >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Nov 16 23:05:38 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:05:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <5d11.851cd03.3a12bbdf@aol.com> References: <5d11.851cd03.3a12bbdf@aol.com> Message-ID: <399B8352-7A11-47A2-8868-8D4547F075E9@bnj.com> I've seen the other side of this, showing up at a race after a 2000 mile tow and finding 70's cars on slicks and the admonishment "all tape repairs from the previous event have to be permanently repaired before the next event." Not what I had in mind. I'm game for any kind of racing, but when someone calls it vintage racing then there needs to be some effort at presentation. That said, I expect these guys to be very reasonable. Those of you that know me realize I'm a bit on the grubby side. Peyote has always been rough, it's only since Tony Garmey has been working on it that anyone could call it gussied up. HMSA always took it happily. There are rough cars running at Monterey, rough cars at Coronado. And very pretty ones. Honestly, there seems to be a lot of skivvies getting knotted way, way in advance of getting any real bad news. On Nov 15, 2010, at 8:37 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/15/2010 9:38:05 AM Central Standard Time, > gasket.works at verizon.net writes: > > >> There have been some comments that some cars need some cleaning up. MINE >> >> INCLUDED!~!~!~ can you imagine? Paul Smock has been designated as our >> Laguna Seca "Kas Cup" arbitrator with >> HMSA regarding these issues. >> > Amici... > > I think this is a good thing. PRESENTATION is important in vintage racing, > Vintage race cars ought to look good. Effort and funding ought to be > expended towards that end. I can remember back in the late 1970s and early > 1980s when vintage racing was first taking off the 'caveat' from the sanctioning > bodies was, "We don't want a bunch of rusty TR3s!" That used to hurt my > feelings, even though my car was prepared and presented properly and certainly > not rusty. But TRIUMPH often has this 'bottom of the sports car barrel' > reputation. We're too common by some standards. TRIUMPH has earned its place > in sports car racing, and it is far from the bottom of the barrel. Vintage > TRIUMPH racers help polish our reputation by racing cars that look as good > as they run. > > Since TRIUMPH will be a featured marque at these events, I'll be surprised > if the sanctioning bodies don't look the other way at preparation levels > which might be over and above their own regulations (providing the car is > accepted in another venue). But I give them credit if they seek 'good looking' > race cars. I think that is in everyone's best interests. > > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Nov 17 12:29:45 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:29:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3B17CBE057434035A94907926125F4C9@TOSHIBALAPTOP> After having similar experiences to Mike's a couple of years ago (and replacing several oil coolers) I decided to add a second oil filter. I run a remote Fram HP1 between the oil pump and cooler. I've added a -8 System 1 filter between the cooler and the engine. This is a filter that can be disassembled, checked and cleaned. I initially checked it after every session. Once I was assured nothing bad was going into the engine, I reduced the frequency of inspection. Belt and suspenders, but engines are darned expensive. http://www.system1filters.com/ Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:44 PM To: 'Tony Drews'; 'Mike Mehl'; 'Triumph Friends of' Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Has anybody ever put a remote oil filter between the engine and the input of the oil cooler to prevent klag from getting into the cooler? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:09 PM To: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean >them after blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new >one. I built new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Nov 17 15:23:44 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Proper race fuel Message-ID: <326444788.11037.1290032624439.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT I'm just looking for some input on race fuel. My compression ratio is 12.5:1 and I live at 5200' ( Denver ). I generally run 108 octane at about 75% race gas to 25% pump gas. Sometimes straight 108. Now I'm wondering if even 108 isB enough octaneB for 12.5:1 Just wondering what everybody else is doing. Thanks as always, Jim Gray From SpiwakD at aol.com Wed Nov 17 15:44:55 2010 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:44:55 EST Subject: [Fot] Latest sealant for head gasket? Message-ID: <1308bd.42a9f432.3a15b4e7@aol.com> What is the latest popular sealant for a steel head gasket. Is anyone still using the copper wire in the grooves? From SpiwakD at aol.com Wed Nov 17 15:46:42 2010 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:46:42 EST Subject: [Fot] Graphite exhaust gaskets Message-ID: <130a7f.7bb3bf8f.3a15b552@aol.com> Who sells the solid graphite exhaust gaskets? I used a set and they worked very well until disassembly. From wgrosenbach at juno.com Wed Nov 17 16:50:11 2010 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (wgrosenbach at juno.com) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:50:11 GMT Subject: [Fot] Proper race fuel Message-ID: <20101117.165011.7523.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Jim,I talked with Unocal, back when their 110 was at the CO-OP, for use in the GT-6.They told me; in bores <4 inches @ 12:1, I could dilute 110 w/Pb free premium 1:10 and have no issues. That seemed like a high dilution to me, but he assured me several times.He told me Octane requirements at a given CR rise sharply as bore goes beyond 4".Walt & Chip Hane @ UTS, in Evergreen can find exactly what you need. Too much costs power.Clive runs 1:1.BillNow Triumph-less ---------- Original Message ---------- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Subject: [Fot] Proper race fuel Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:23:44 +0000 (UTC) FoT I'm just looking for some input on race fuel. My compression ratio is 12.5:1 and I live at 5200' ( Denver ). I generally run 108 octane at about 75% race gas to 25% pump gas. Sometimes straight 108. Now I'm wondering if even 108 isB enough octaneB for 12.5:1 Just wondering what everybody else is doing. Thanks as always, Jim Gray _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wgrosenbach at juno.com ____________________________________________________________ Become Six Sigma Certified Villanova Six Sigma Certification 100% Online Program - Free Info. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ce46a51bdcd92cfd99st05vuc From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed Nov 17 18:13:45 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:13:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Graphite exhaust gaskets In-Reply-To: <130a7f.7bb3bf8f.3a15b552@aol.com> References: <130a7f.7bb3bf8f.3a15b552@aol.com> Message-ID: <82118767-5B17-4CBE-BB91-EF576A0C2A7A@earthlink.net> I got a graphite exhaust manifold set and It broke effortlessly during installation. These work GREAT on my TR3 and can be used over and over again. http://www.cambridgemotorsport.com/Inlet--Exhaust-Manifold-Gasket---High-Port-Head ~Steve On Nov 17, 2010, at 2:46 PM, SpiwakD at aol.com wrote: Who sells the solid graphite exhaust gaskets? I used a set and they worked very well until disassembly. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From triumphs at consolidated.net Wed Nov 17 18:56:55 2010 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home PC) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:56:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Graphite exhaust gaskets References: <130a7f.7bb3bf8f.3a15b552@aol.com> Message-ID: <132ED9C8101647259645810102EFF91F@0817C93C637E473> Remflex, part #RF20-001 http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/rf20-001.htm Ken Gano ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 4:46 PM Subject: [Fot] Graphite exhaust gaskets > Who sells the solid graphite exhaust gaskets? I used a set and they worked > very well until disassembly. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3261 - Release Date: 11/16/10 From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Nov 17 20:21:49 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 03:21:49 GMT Subject: [Fot] Latest sealant for head gasket? Message-ID: <20101117.222149.8643.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Dave, I am still using copper wire in the grooves and Yamabond # 5 as the sealant. Takes a lot of time to get it set up right. I will look closer at the Cometic multi-layer head gasket next time I need one. It is a great gasket, but does not have the relief for the intake valves, so it may not work. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: SpiwakD at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Latest sealant for head gasket? Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:44:55 EST What is the latest popular sealant for a steel head gasket. Is anyone still using the copper wire in the grooves? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Globe Life Insurance $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4ce49be0665df27d842st03duc From gasket.works at verizon.net Wed Nov 17 20:41:57 2010 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:41:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Latest sealant for head gasket? References: <20101117.222149.8643.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <000501cb86d2$8d0face0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> ThreeBond is the company that makes "yammabond" / or "Hondabond" products. The product that works well is their # 1194. The deal with this product is that you have to put it on sparingly but, completely. Have to work pretty fast to prevent the material from glossing too soon. I have used this (among others) with great success. For motors that are harder to seal this product is about as good as you'll find for the price. It is very forgiving. You can find this product online easily. Cost is minimal. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 GMT -8 Pacific From dkettler1 at charter.net Wed Nov 17 21:15:59 2010 From: dkettler1 at charter.net (David Kettler) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:15:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <003501cb84c9$89fbe1f0$9df3a5d0$@com> Message-ID: Sounds like Steve Johnson. FYI, I saw him at the Runoffs this year. He was crewing for the S2 race winner. Was hard to recognize him with a conservative hairstyle. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clark W. Nicholls" To: "'Joe Curry'" ; "'Kas Kastner'" ; "'Bill Babcock'" ; "'Mike Mehl'" Cc: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > Reminds me of the 1979 SCCA Runoffs at Road Atlanta. Steve Johnson showed > up > on the FP race grid in his Spitfire with all the gauges covered with duct > tape. He went on to win the race and the championship. I seem to remember > his engine was put together from a collection of parts from several > engines > that week. I don't remember if I took a photo or if the image is burned > into > my memory! His victory lap photo was used in a British Leyland magazine > advertisement. Last I knew Steve is retired in the Caribbean somewhere. > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new > owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > > > -----Original Message----- > > Kas, > I guess in this case, "Ignorance really is BLISS"! :) > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > > I've said before, oil at 225 makes more power by far than at 180 or so. > When > > in the old days and my TR-3 in about 5-7 laps the oil got to 300 and as we > were not allowed to have oil coolers, I did the next best thing, I took > out > the gauge. Never made a bit of difference in longevity, and gave me > peace > of mind. > Kas > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dkettler1 at charter.net From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Nov 17 23:47:44 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:47:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Graphite exhaust gaskets In-Reply-To: <130a7f.7bb3bf8f.3a15b552@aol.com> References: <130a7f.7bb3bf8f.3a15b552@aol.com> Message-ID: <20101118064709.115DB18765D@autox.team.net> Used to be Uncle Jack, now is me. $70 / set plus $10 for shipping. I just ordered 5 more sets, should have them in a day or two. You can either paypal me at tony at tonydrews.com or send a check to Tony Drews 5208 11th Avenue A Moline, IL 61265 I prefer the check because it avoids the paypal surcharge. Thanks, Tony Drews At 04:46 PM 11/17/2010, SpiwakD at aol.com wrote: >Who sells the solid graphite exhaust gaskets? I used a set and they worked >very well until disassembly. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Nov 18 01:16:18 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:16:18 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Latest sealant for head gasket? In-Reply-To: <1308bd.42a9f432.3a15b4e7@aol.com> References: <1308bd.42a9f432.3a15b4e7@aol.com> Message-ID: <002c01cb86f8$e2e12b50$a8a381f0$@com> Last time I've installed a steel gasket I put it on dry and it did well. For the future I won't use any sealant for steel gaskets. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von SpiwakD at aol.com Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. November 2010 23:45 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Latest sealant for head gasket? What is the latest popular sealant for a steel head gasket. Is anyone still using the copper wire in the grooves? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From cwnfot at gmail.com Thu Nov 18 06:28:18 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:28:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <003501cb84c9$89fbe1f0$9df3a5d0$@com> Message-ID: <019b01cb8724$78d24650$6a76d2f0$@com> Steve was a fantastic S2000 driver/builder also after leaving the Spitfire behind. He had his own model S2000, SR1 or something like that. It seemed to be better that the rest, especially with Steve at the wheel. He got airborne driving S2000 at Lime Rock on the front straight, twice I think. Ended upsidedown. We kidded him about his airshows (some big weekends used to have skydivers and acrobatics from the Rhinebeck Aerodrome nearby). He also coached customer drivers. Last I saw him was at Mid Ohio Runoffs in 94 coaching a female customer, I think a FA driver's fianci. I think he now drives in Grand Am or ALMS? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." Date: 11/17/10 14:34:00 From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Nov 18 17:50:13 2010 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Sonoma Historics Preliminary Schedule Message-ID: <1645656393.1532050.1290127813419.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello: Further to the discussion about the HMSA/FOT event at Laguna Seca next June, I just received this information regarding the preliminary schedule for the event in case any of you are planning on entering both the Sonoma Historics and the FOT event. Gary Wed. June 1st..Paddock set up..Registration and tech Thur. June 2nd..Registreation & tech..Practice 12-6pm Fri...June 3rd..Qualifying..All Groups Sat. June 4th Practice & Race for A Groups Sun June 5th Practice and Race for B Groups.. NOTE...Entry request is due by >>>December 1st<<< in an effort to accommodate transportation and air travel plans for those who will be traveling from far away.. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 18 17:58:29 2010 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:58:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Latest sealant for head gasket? In-Reply-To: <000501cb86d2$8d0face0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> References: <20101117.222149.8643.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> <000501cb86d2$8d0face0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: <994545.73976.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I use the ThreeBond liquid gasket 1194 with most of the gaskets on the TR - have never tried it on a head gasket though. I buy the 1194 on Ebay - noticed that my last tube of the stuff was made in Thailand - must be closer to the rubber tree. Dennis ThreeBond is the company that makes "yammabond" / or "Hondabond" products. The product that works well is their # 1194. The deal with this product is that you have to put it on sparingly but, completely. Have to work pretty fast to prevent the material from glossing too soon. I have used this (among others) with great success. For motors that are harder to seal this product is about as good as you'll find for the price. It is very forgiving. You can find this product online easily. Cost is minimal. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 GMT -8 Pacific _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Nov 19 13:38:16 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:38:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Message-ID: <8609366C-84DF-4CF6-A847-9568887F6FF8@earthlink.net> Hello all, I'm going to be placing a order for some german Mahle brand piston/ ring/liner sets for TR3/4 [87mm]. There is a 90 day lead time from order to shipping so if I order now, they should arrive mid February. Price is 628.56 [set of 4] plus about $40 shipping. I'm not marking them up or getting any quantity discount - just thought I'd pass along a top quality and hard to find part. If interested, let me know asap. I'm hoping to order by monday or tuesday. And for what its worth, the last time I ordered they did arrive as promised - maybe even a bit ahead of schedule. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Nov 19 13:43:48 2010 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:43:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets In-Reply-To: <8609366C-84DF-4CF6-A847-9568887F6FF8@earthlink.net> References: <8609366C-84DF-4CF6-A847-9568887F6FF8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I used them once and I remember my machinist commenting how much heavier they were than the Hepolites that I had been using. He trimmed the heavy base of the pistons to look more like the Hepolites and took as much other weight out as he could. I still have 3 of them. The other one hit the cylinder head when I blew up at Mosport. Coincidence? Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the keys to your success. ~Mac Anderson -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 2:38 PM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Hello all, I'm going to be placing a order for some german Mahle brand piston/ ring/liner sets for TR3/4 [87mm]. There is a 90 day lead time from order to shipping so if I order now, they should arrive mid February. Price is 628.56 [set of 4] plus about $40 shipping. I'm not marking them up or getting any quantity discount - just thought I'd pass along a top quality and hard to find part. If interested, let me know asap. I'm hoping to order by monday or tuesday. And for what its worth, the last time I ordered they did arrive as promised - maybe even a bit ahead of schedule. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From sm1ski at dslextreme.com Fri Nov 19 15:00:12 2010 From: sm1ski at dslextreme.com (sara kowalski) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:00:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] sara kowalski sent you a Coffee from Qualia Coffee Message-ID: <4ce6f36caf759_3091b64cfc88dc@paulyd.mail> sara kowalski Sent You a Coffee ($6 value). >From time to time our most valued users are rewarded by being allowed to send gifts to their friends. This time sara kowalski chose you! All you need to do is click the link below to receive your Coffee and notifications for other great deals in your area. http://homerun.com/email_gift/b61367b9?_e=117981e9 Enjoy! The HomeRun Team If you prefer not to get promotional email from HomeRun, visit http://homerun.com/unsubscribe?_e=117981e9 Brought to you by HomeRun, 2347 Bay St., San Francisco, CA, 94123, USA From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Nov 19 17:05:18 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:05:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] nomination Message-ID: <885C4514D89E41EEA043F93985C88248@latitudefb1e41> I'd like to nominate Duncan Charlton to the FoT list. Duncan is a member of the Hill Country Triumph Club and has a collection of cars including a Morgan 3 wheeler. He just bought a Triumph powered Morgan race car and he'll start paddocking with the TxFOT folks next spring. duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi From kaskas at cox.net Tue Nov 9 16:57:41 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:57:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: References: <70C9067DDE9649C1B77D215575394827@Pendys> Message-ID: <49F4B2E8DC164445A678DC8DCCBD0415@KasPC> It was wonderful that Sam Halkias was willing to come out to Watkins Glen and Topeka and run his car for a show of how they can really go, but he knew before he left home that he was not in the running for the cup. This is an example of someone who is looking after the marquee and enjoys being with folks that are of the same frame of mind. Regretfully, I cannot see that present SCCA cars can be accepted as a run for the cup as their make up is totally upgraded from the original racing configuration of the ancient times (1953 - 1972). I belonged to the SCCA for years and years and sponsored lots of parties and events, do you suppose if I joined again they'd upgrade me? :-) I could always use the help. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Kramer" Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 3:37 PM To: "Mark Pendergrass" ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 > Mark, > > I for one hope they let current spec cars participate. Every vintage race > organization has its rules for regular participants and its own level of > tolerance for special runs groups. In the past the FoT has done a good job > of twisting the arms of event organizers and we have even been allowed to > have current spec SCCA cars run as an exception in a few cases. At some > point in the near future this issue will be clarified for this event. Most > of us love to have the modern Triumphs show up and run with us, but other > than the Brit's coming to Mid Ohio, there has been a lot more talking > about modern Triumphs coming than actual cars in attendance. Sam brought > his TR6 last year and to the Glen two years ago and it was a treat. > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Pendergrass" > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 1:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 > > >> Well Listers, here we go, what constitutes a legitimate entrant ?? You >> talking me or my morfidite car? So the HMSA says they prefer,or better >> yet,require that the car be a true racer and restored to boot, well I >> guess I'm a little confused here. This old hotrod TR4 that i have was >> raced on the east coast most of it life, has log books.......yes >> books,( plural). Yeah it's not stock, it's a race car, it's what my 3 >> children chose to buy their dad as a gift. It's probably got more stories >> than most. Does it blow the doors off the competetion because it's SOOOO >> modified? not hardly. Do the flares, bigger tires, alternator, crank fire >> etc; make it less of a true race car?? I don't think so. You know, people >> pay good monies to take-in the 'ol cars wheather they be stock, modified >> or whatever, It's time that some people and or sanctioning bodies start >> thinking outside the box. And no, i'm not saying to let V8s 6spds and >> dana 60s run amuk. So if i've offended some people...oh well, am i >> enterested in the LS Kastner Cup ?? Absolutely, sounds like a hoot and >> would like to meet some of the FOT family, so if you folks don't mind >> the car or my charming attitude, then count me >> in............signed........Legitimate Entrant >> >> >> Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 >> >> >>> FOT: >>> >>> Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to >>> run >>> Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. >>> >>> NAME CAR STATE >>> >>> Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week >>> of >>> the 15th of November. >>> >>> Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more >>> we >>> have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period >>> of >>> budget constraints. >>> >>> Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. >>> >>> Joe A >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From mark at bradakis.com Fri Nov 19 19:00:03 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 19:00:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] sara kowalski sent you a Coffee from Qualia Coffee In-Reply-To: <4ce6f36caf759_3091b64cfc88dc@paulyd.mail> References: <4ce6f36caf759_3091b64cfc88dc@paulyd.mail> Message-ID: <4CE72BA3.8040402@bradakis.com> Shucks. Spam from a hijacked account that is different than the ones I have been trying to filter out. The bad guys always seem to be a step ahead of hapless admins like me. Sigh. mjb. From billdentin at aol.com Fri Nov 19 19:12:20 2010 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 21:12:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: <49F4B2E8DC164445A678DC8DCCBD0415@KasPC> References: <70C9067DDE9649C1B77D215575394827@Pendys> <49F4B2E8DC164445A678DC8DCCBD0415@KasPC> Message-ID: <8CD566F7F5988EC-1284-D647@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> <<< It was wonderful that Sam Halkias was willing to come out to Watkins Glen and Topeka and run his car for a show of how they can really go, but he knew before he left home that he was not in the running for the cup. This is an example of someone who is looking after the marquee and enjoys being with folks that are of the same frame of mind. Regretfully, I cannot see that present SCCA cars can be accepted as a run for the cup as their make up is totally upgraded from the original racing configuration of the ancient times (1953 - 1972). I belonged to the SCCA for years and years and sponsored lots of parties and events, do you suppose if I joined again they'd upgrade me? :-) I could always use the help. >>> Sir... There's no way we can 'up grade' you. Once you're on the Top Shelf you can't go any higher. Bill Dentinger From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 19 20:37:15 2010 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 19:37:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <885C4514D89E41EEA043F93985C88248@latitudefb1e41> References: <885C4514D89E41EEA043F93985C88248@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <980379.38583.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Triumph Power! - I'll second that. Dennis I'd like to nominate Duncan Charlton to the FoT list. Duncan is a member of the Hill Country Triumph Club and has a collection of cars including a Morgan 3 wheeler. He just bought a Triumph powered Morgan race car and he'll start paddocking with the TxFOT folks next spring. duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Fri Nov 19 23:14:42 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 22:14:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets References: <8609366C-84DF-4CF6-A847-9568887F6FF8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0918CE2885A243D4911EA333FAC77828@your89d26e0447> The Mahle pistons have steel struts cast into the piston skirts to control skirt size and expansion when hot. That allows them to be run with tighter skirt to cylinder wall clearances. They are great for street use and up to about 5500 rpm. Because of the added weight compared to the AE Hepolite pistons (or forged racing pistons) we never considered them really suitable for racing or high rpm use. Greg Solow From kaskas at cox.net Sat Nov 20 10:11:53 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 09:11:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets In-Reply-To: <0918CE2885A243D4911EA333FAC77828@your89d26e0447> References: <8609366C-84DF-4CF6-A847-9568887F6FF8@earthlink.net> <0918CE2885A243D4911EA333FAC77828@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: Good information Greg. I remember weighing a set of these Mahle pistons years ago and could not believe how heavy they were. Never used them. Hepolites were my fittings. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Solow" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:14 PM To: "Kramer, Robert" ; "Greg "Lunker"Hilyer" ; "FoT Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets > The Mahle pistons have steel struts cast into the piston skirts to control > skirt size and expansion when hot. That allows them to be run with tighter > skirt to cylinder wall clearances. They are great for street use and up to > about 5500 rpm. Because of the added weight compared to the AE Hepolite > pistons (or forged racing pistons) we never considered them really > suitable for racing or high rpm use. > > Greg Solow > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From triosan at gmail.com Sat Nov 20 15:19:00 2010 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 14:19:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Some Goodwood Revival pictures Message-ID: Finally am getting around to posting a few pictures form Goodwood Revival. Three are of a 1964 TR4 "SLR ". This group was small bore endoro cars that often had extensive rebody work done. In the case of this car, it was a total rebody. Friend of the TR250K I guess. It did race in the early 60's in England. Driven by owner Tony Griffen. He was running 10th when he dropped out on lap 6. The car that won was the ugliest sports car I have ever seen. A rebodied Mini called a "Mini Dart". It is the leftmost car behind the one with the lips in the group shot. Goodwood was fantastic. Great costumes. I did the best I coulddressing, but really did not have the duds. IF you ever go, there are several vendor stands selling vintage close. IF you wear a white mechanics outfit you can easily get into the pits. They were out of my size by Sunday -- though I have bought one since. Will make a great flagger's outfit. Would need a real clean shop and car to wear one for actual mechanic work. Lots of the guys did have them on and many showed extreme oil leaks! Great car and motorcycle racing. Very spirited. There was one race for 60-64 Closed Cockpit GT cars that required a driver change. At one point the drivers included Jackie Oliver, David Hobbs, Brian Redman, and Bobby Rahal. None figured in the win which was a 1963 Ferrari 330 LMB driven by Bobby Verdon-Roe. My personal highlight was following Jackie Stewart through the tunnel and watching all the people coming the other way see and recognize him. Great guy as he shook anyone's hand that was offered. The photos are at: http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/TriumphsAtGoodwood# -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sat Nov 20 17:24:40 2010 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (T Thompson) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:24:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <885C4514D89E41EEA043F93985C88248@latitudefb1e41> References: <885C4514D89E41EEA043F93985C88248@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <296396.84876.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Not sure if my second counts, but if so, here it is. Anyone nominated by Bob has to be a real English motorhead, or in need of some free parts! Ty ________________________________ From: Bob Kramer To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 5:05:18 PM Subject: [Fot] nomination I'd like to nominate Duncan Charlton to the FoT list. Duncan is a member of the Hill Country Triumph Club and has a collection of cars including a Morgan 3 wheeler. He just bought a Triumph powered Morgan race car and he'll start paddocking with the TxFOT folks next spring. duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From igofaster at att.net Sat Nov 20 17:36:08 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:36:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <885C4514D89E41EEA043F93985C88248@latitudefb1e41> References: <885C4514D89E41EEA043F93985C88248@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <156732.83041.qm@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I'm 2nd or 3rd recommendation for Duncan on F.o.T. and another TX.F.o.T. member Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bob Kramer To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 6:05:18 PM Subject: [Fot] nomination I'd like to nominate Duncan Charlton to the FoT list. Duncan is a member of the Hill Country Triumph Club and has a collection of cars including a Morgan 3 wheeler. He just bought a Triumph powered Morgan race car and he'll start paddocking with the TxFOT folks next spring. duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From PegAndBobM at aol.com Sun Nov 21 06:43:04 2010 From: PegAndBobM at aol.com (PegAndBobM at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 08:43:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Some Goodwood Revival pictures Message-ID: DART=-Dizzy Addicott Racing Team which was sold by Dizzy, and I believe eventually evolved with some connection to the Marcos automobile. Item of interest...I have a Elva Mk VI driven by Dizzy to a second place finish at the Brands Hatch Boxing Day Derby. John Arnold, another member of RMVR knew Dizzy and told me he was a club racer best known for a Lotus 19(?) into which he had stuffed a large Buick V8 . In a message dated 11/20/2010 03:39:10 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, triosan at gmail.com writes: Finally am getting around to posting a few pictures form Goodwood Revival. Three are of a 1964 TR4 "SLR ". This group was small bore endoro cars that often had extensive rebody work done. In the case of this car, it was a total rebody. Friend of the TR250K I guess. It did race in the early 60's in England. Driven by owner Tony Griffen. He was running 10th when he dropped out on lap 6. The car that won was the ugliest sports car I have ever seen. A rebodied Mini called a "Mini Dart". It is the leftmost car behind the one with the lips in the group shot. Goodwood was fantastic. Great costumes. I did the best I coulddressing, but really did not have the duds. IF you ever go, there are several vendor stands selling vintage close. IF you wear a white mechanics outfit you can easily get into the pits. They were out of my size by Sunday -- though I have bought one since. Will make a great flagger's outfit. Would need a real clean shop and car to wear one for actual mechanic work. Lots of the guys did have them on and many showed extreme oil leaks! Great car and motorcycle racing. Very spirited. There was one race for 60-64 Closed Cockpit GT cars that required a driver change. At one point the drivers included Jackie Oliver, David Hobbs, Brian Redman, and Bobby Rahal. None figured in the win which was a 1963 Ferrari 330 LMB driven by Bobby Verdon-Roe. My personal highlight was following Jackie Stewart through the tunnel and watching all the people coming the other way see and recognize him. Great guy as he shook anyone's hand that was offered. The photos are at: http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/TriumphsAtGoodwood# -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pegandbobm at aol.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sun Nov 21 07:27:18 2010 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 08:27:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Some Goodwood Revival pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah, now I can see everybody! Thanks for the nomination, Bob, and the seconds/thirds, etc. from Bobby, Dennis, and Ty. There were four SLR cars built by Chris Laurence and John Sprinzel (SLR=Sprinzel Lawrence Racing). Three were built with a Morgan Plus 4 chassis (TR engined, of course) and one (apparently this one) used a TR chassis. Bill Fink's red SLR was seen a few years ago on California tracks but I think all three Morgan SLRs are in Europe now. Duncan On Nov 21, 2010, at 7:43 AM, PegAndBobM at aol.com wrote: > Finally am getting around to posting a few pictures form Goodwood Revival. > Three are of a 1964 TR4 "SLR ". This group was small bore endoro cars > that > often had extensive rebody work done. In the case of this car, it was a > total rebody. Friend of the TR250K I guess. It did race in the early > 60's > in England. From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Nov 21 08:39:41 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:39:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Some Goodwood Revival pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD57A972BD7D46-1B7C-121F8@webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com> Super Dave Bondon's went to a Scandanavian country several years ago. Welcome aboard, Duncan. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Nov 21, 2010 8:27 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Some Goodwood Revival pictures Ah, now I can see everybody! Thanks for the nomination, Bob, and the seconds/thirds, etc. from Bobby, Dennis, and Ty. There were four SLR cars built by Chris Laurence and John Sprinzel (SLR=Sprinzel Lawrence Racing). Three were built with a Morgan Plus 4 chassis (TR engined, of course) and one (apparently this one) used a TR chassis. Bill Fink's red SLR was seen a few years ago on California tracks but I think all three Morgan SLRs are in Europe now. Duncan On Nov 21, 2010, at 7:43 AM, PegAndBobM at aol.com wrote: > Finally am getting around to posting a few pictures form Goodwood Revival. > Three are of a 1964 TR4 "SLR ". This group was small bore endoro cars > that > often had extensive rebody work done. In the case of this car, it was a > total rebody. Friend of the TR250K I guess. It did race in the early > 60's > in England. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 21 11:56:53 2010 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:56:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Alabama to wisconsin shipping help ... Message-ID: <23707.18214.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have just purchased a set of 4 wheels & tires in Helena Alabama (just south of Birmingham) is there anyone near that could pick them up or anyone traveling that way that might be able to transport? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From KENMUN at aol.com Sun Nov 21 12:45:58 2010 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 14:45:58 EST Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color Message-ID: i'm restoring a '56 tr3. the original color is gray. anyone know the name or better yet the paint code for this color? thanks, ken m. From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Nov 21 13:22:10 2010 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 15:22:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301cb89b9$c7264440$5572ccc0$@rr.com> That would be Birch Gray. This was a Dockers lacquer and their number was BF.5467. If you get in touch with any PPG paint supplier they can mix it by going to their library. Hope this helps. I have all the old color books going back to TR2. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of KENMUN at aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 2:46 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color i'm restoring a '56 tr3. the original color is gray. anyone know the name or better yet the paint code for this color? thanks, ken m. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From herald948 at aol.com Sun Nov 21 13:26:35 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 15:26:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD57D186905083-1684-22582@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Likely as not it's Silverstone Grey (actually called Silvertone, probably by mistake, on some paint charts). See: for the ACME chart ("Silvertone") or for a Martin-Senour chart or for a DuPont chart. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: KENMUN To: fot Sent: Sun, Nov 21, 2010 2:49 pm Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color i'm restoring a '56 tr3. the original color is gray. anyone know the name or better yet the paint code for this color? thanks, ken m. From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 21 14:58:56 2010 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 13:58:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] alabama transport help change .. Message-ID: <47928.46108.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have an offer to bring the wheels from Kentucky to me (Thank you Susan ;>))))) so if there would be tramsport from Ala to either Kentucky or Wi would also work ... Thanks in advance.... Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From tr5racer at btinternet.com Sun Nov 21 15:01:25 2010 From: tr5racer at btinternet.com (JOSEPH HUGHES) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 22:01:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] Triumph/Morgan SLR Message-ID: <159017.70874.qm@web87107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> One of the Morgan SLR's was for sale recently for 275,000GBP! It was the most successful of the 4 cars having beat the works Porsche 904's t the Nurburgring in 1966. Another was repatriated last year form the USA and has been restored and is competing again in selected races in the UK. The Triumph SLR was valued recently at 168,000GBP! From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Nov 21 16:08:52 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 18:08:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph/Morgan SLR now TRS INVITATION In-Reply-To: <159017.70874.qm@web87107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <159017.70874.qm@web87107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CD57E832FED7EE-1CEC-1838A@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> There has been a short, very short, discussion on inviting the TRS to the 60th Anniversary. Any contact info would appreciated. (I had the first discussion with TRF about theirs) This is their suggestion. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: JOSEPH HUGHES To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sun, Nov 21, 2010 4:01 pm Subject: [Fot] Triumph/Morgan SLR One of the Morgan SLR's was for sale recently for 275,000GBP! It was the most successful of the 4 cars having beat the works Porsche 904's t the Nurburgring in 1966. Another was repatriated last year form the USA and has been restored and is competing again in selected races in the UK. The Triumph SLR was valued recently at 168,000GBP! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From herald948 at aol.com Sun Nov 21 16:34:16 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 18:34:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color In-Reply-To: <8CD57D186905083-1684-22582@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD57D186905083-1684-22582@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD57EBBEC60643-1684-250CE@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Oops! It appears I misread the original message; Silverstone Grey is rather later than 1956. Other possibilites for names of the grey used in '56 might include "Pearl Grey" (according to Piggott) or "Silver Grey" (according to the ACME paint chart). --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Mon Nov 22 01:28:31 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 00:28:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood revival 7 the SLR Triumph Message-ID: <73E93AE666284828B5EB65CE1E75CF90@your89d26e0447> SLR stands for Sprinzel-Lawrence Racing. There were 4 SLRs built, three were on Morgan chassis and one was on a TR-4 chassis. I was at the Goodwood Tourist Trophy meeting and 1964 and saw one of the two of the SLRs compete in the GT car race. Unfortunately, the TR chassis car only lasted a couple of laps and the Morgan chassis car slightly longer, both dropped out with engine failures, if I remember correctly. Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From ac at camoletti.ch Mon Nov 22 03:57:24 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:57:24 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets In-Reply-To: References: <8609366C-84DF-4CF6-A847-9568887F6FF8@earthlink.net> <0918CE2885A243D4911EA333FAC77828@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: <001101cb8a34$0ca762e0$25f628a0$@camoletti.ch> Just checked Mahle pistons sitting on the bench, these are 86mm+ .040'' and they weight 676 (1) and 680 grams (3). What is the weight of the stock pistons, and the weight of the Hepolite, or from other reputable brands? Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Kas Kastner Envoyi : samedi 20 novembre 2010 18:12 @ : Greg Solow; Kramer, Robert; Greg "Lunker"Hilyer; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Good information Greg. I remember weighing a set of these Mahle pistons years ago and could not believe how heavy they were. Never used them. Hepolites were my fittings. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Solow" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:14 PM To: "Kramer, Robert" ; "Greg "Lunker"Hilyer" ; "FoT Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets > The Mahle pistons have steel struts cast into the piston skirts to > control skirt size and expansion when hot. That allows them to be run > with tighter skirt to cylinder wall clearances. They are great for > street use and up to about 5500 rpm. Because of the added weight > compared to the AE Hepolite pistons (or forged racing pistons) we > never considered them really suitable for racing or high rpm use. > > Greg Solow > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From ac at camoletti.ch Mon Nov 22 06:52:16 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:52:16 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR3A Cylinder head, looking for a good one Message-ID: <001101cb8a4c$7978f970$6c6aec50$@camoletti.ch> Amici ! Discovered this week end in the shop while finally attending in view of porting my cyl head that it had been previously fitted with hardened exhaust seat inserts, and that running from below the insert on N04, a = long hairline crack developed down the port (on the side of the inlet valve). I found a little bit of humidity in this cylinder when dismantling, but thought it was a head gasket problem as liner decks were not correct. So water came from that crack. I never heard about welding these places in a cylinder head. So would anyone have a good TR3A cyl head for sale ? The car being concours it should be the correct TR3A head. Cast number is 302 137. If I really cannot find a correct head, then I will look for a later head, which presumably is more readily available. If the head is milled and /or somewhat flown is not a problem, as the engine is being built to very fast road specs. Thank you Amici! Cheers! Alex From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Nov 22 16:55:08 2010 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:55:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] newbie intro In-Reply-To: <3B942D12-D284-4D49-A07C-1BB4D5FF3756@gmail.com> References: <3B942D12-D284-4D49-A07C-1BB4D5FF3756@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Time to introduce myself. My name is Duncan Charlton and I live in central Texas. I asked to join the list because we're buying a TR-engined vintage Morgan racer in early December and it's been a long time since I did any serious work on a TR engine. > > I have owned four Triumphs -- a Mk II Spitfire, a 1960 TR3, a 1957 TR3, and a 1956 TR3 which I restored in the mid-1980s. TS-9848-L-0 was one of the few TR3s with 4-wheel drum brakes -- you had to be careful backing up due to the lack of servo action from the brake shoe geometry when moving in that direction. There were a few other British cars in there during those years -- a couple of Mk II Jag sedans and a 1966 Mini Cooper S. > > At some point I got tired of working on rusty cars so I got involved in flying, eventually building two of my own aircraft, first a wood and fabric 2-stroke powered ultralight and then a high-wing 2-seat Experimental category design. I came to find that my family and friends were not really interested in flying, and I eventually got bored with flying alone most of the time, so I got re-involved with English sports cars about ten years ago. > > After a short affair with a Sunbeam Tiger I bought a Morgan 4/4 with a 1600 crossflow Ford engine (a.k.a. the Formula Ford engine). It was a lightweight car (1330 lbs due to the aluminum body panels) and I was collecting performance parts for it when a one-owner 1971 Morgan Plus 8 came along to scratch my itch for more power. We also acquired a very nicely restored 1936 Morgan Super Sports 3-wheeler at about that time. > I started giving thought to vintage racing about six years ago. My son and I attended the Skip Barber 3 day course at Laguna Seca (don't you hate it when you find out that your kid is better at something than you are?) and I started attending vintage races -- Road America, Coronado Island, Goodwood, College Station... > To the present -- I was chatting with a friend in SC a few weeks ago and he casually mentioned that he was selling his 1952 Morgan racer. He had freshened up the car in 2009 after it had sat unused for 13 years because he wanted to participate in the Morgan centennial celebrations. He did well with it in a few races, but now he had decided that his racing days are done. Looks like I was in the right place at the right time. > Some of the car's history can be guessed at. It was delivered with a Standard Vanguard engine, but it may not have been raced initially. It could have raced in D/P, but Morgans were not very successful there. When Morgans got the TR2 engine in 1954 and raced in E/P, the cars started winning. I can't yet be sure of this car's race beginnings (the frame was destroyed in a race accident and I'm still searching the car's chassis number, which the owner thinks he has among its records) but an acquaintance says he saw it parked after the wreck around 1960 or so, having run off the course at an airport race in Spartanburg, SC and hit a concrete abutment (if it was an SCCA race I can find no record of it). I am told the driver's name was Jeff Harrell, but SCCA records show a person by that name raced an MGA in 1963. I would like to find Jeff -- anybody ever heard of him? > The car sat in this wrecked condition until the current owner began to rebuild it in the early 1990s with parts he'd collected over the previous decade. As his mechanic removed paint from the body panels, the letters "E/P" was clearly visible, so clearly it had been an SCCA racer sometime before it was wrecked. The original racing engine was long gone so a supercharged TR engine was installed and it was campaigned on the east coast and in the northeast from 1991 through 1993. It is no longer supercharged but is reportedly sorted out and ready to run. > > Perhaps I'll meet more of you in February at the CVAR driver school/races at TWS. A picture of the car is here: http://tinyurl.com/2ece3c4 From wredinger at oppd.com Tue Nov 23 09:12:48 2010 From: wredinger at oppd.com (REDINGER, WILLIAM E) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:12:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color In-Reply-To: <8CD57D186905083-1684-22582@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> References: , <8CD57D186905083-1684-22582@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: The best and very close color match for Silverstone Gray is a Ford Thunderbird color in 1978.sorry I do not remeber the color name and do not have it with me now, but it is the only grey that is close. Bill Smith has an original Silverstone grey 1958 TR3A, and this color could be used for spot panels. Best of luck Bill Redinger ________________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Mace [herald948 at aol.com] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 2:26 PM To: KENMUN at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 paint color Likely as not it's Silverstone Grey (actually called Silvertone, probably by mistake, on some paint charts). See: for the ACME chart ("Silvertone") or for a Martin-Senour chart or for a DuPont chart. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: KENMUN To: fot Sent: Sun, Nov 21, 2010 2:49 pm Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color i'm restoring a '56 tr3. the original color is gray. anyone know the name or better yet the paint code for this color? thanks, ken m. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wredinger at oppd.com This e-mail contains Omaha Public Power District's confidential and proprietary information and is for use only by the intended recipient. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, this e-mail is not a contract offer, amendment, nor acceptance. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. From donmarshall at nefcom.net Tue Nov 23 14:18:01 2010 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (donmarshall at nefcom.net) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:18:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Giving Thanks for VDCA's Last Race of the Year Message-ID: <20101123211804.E34911C046B@smtp0.av-mx.com> As we prepare to join family and friends on this Thanksgiving Day, we should remember our friends at VDCA. While we dine on white meat, mashed potatoes & gravy, and that wonderful pumpkin pie, they will be preparing for their Annual Season Finale at Roebling Road Raceway. Yes, even though the temperatures are dropping, and old St. Nick is tuning his sleigh, some of us are still prepping ("repairing" in old English) our race cars. This year's event will be held on December 10th through the 12th and Mike Jackson has guaranteed beautiful weather in Savannah. So, go to their website, print the entry form and mail it in with your check. Load the spare parts and bring plenty of race gas and oil. You'll need it for all of the track time you will have. And, if that isn't enough, as a special bonus you will be invited to join Friday evening's festivities at the Triumph Ghetto! The Friday party promises to be memorable - Leo Oddi will entertain us with his new Hula Dance - thankfully he dropped the belly dancing lessons. Dean Tetterton will explain to all of us the REAL reason he didn't come to the Hurricane event in September. Rob Deanes will debut his newest fishing stories, I will cook, as usual, and the rest of the Ghettoers will continue work on that day's idea on the Triumph Spec Racer!. So, mark the date and plan on being with us in Savannah. This is gonna be a BLAST! The Triumph Ghetto -- From andre at gt6.ca Tue Nov 23 18:55:17 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:55:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice... Message-ID: Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but recently has lost his left leg below the knee. Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. He does not want to give up his GT6. (Good man.) What can you recommend for an automatic conversion? I know about the T9, but not sure if they made an automatic. Thoughts. Tks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From herald948 at aol.com Tue Nov 23 19:04:40 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:04:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even one that I know of in a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a Triumph 2000 sedan, which actually might be more plentiful in Canada than in the US? In the case of the one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it involved some very major reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old Borg-Warner is an extremely bulky unit. Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays that can be made to fit.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Andre Rousseau To: fot Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm Subject: [Fot] Advice... Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but recently has lost his left leg below the knee. Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. From jaboruch at netzero.com Tue Nov 23 19:13:05 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 02:13:05 GMT Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Message-ID: <20101123.211305.11775.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> My custom made Diamond pistons are 87mm and weigh 469 grams, without pins or rings. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Alexandre Camoletti" To: "'Kas Kastner'" , "'Greg Solow'" , "'Kramer, Robert'" , "'Greg \"Lunker\"Hilyer'" , "'FoT Triumph'" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:57:24 +0100 Just checked Mahle pistons sitting on the bench, these are 86mm+ .040'' and they weight 676 (1) and 680 grams (3). What is the weight of the stock pistons, and the weight of the Hepolite, or from other reputable brands? Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Kas Kastner Envoyi : samedi 20 novembre 2010 18:12 @ : Greg Solow; Kramer, Robert; Greg "Lunker"Hilyer; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Good information Greg. I remember weighing a set of these Mahle pistons years ago and could not believe how heavy they were. Never used them. Hepolites were my fittings. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Solow" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:14 PM To: "Kramer, Robert" ; "Greg "Lunker"Hilyer" ; "FoT Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets > The Mahle pistons have steel struts cast into the piston skirts to > control skirt size and expansion when hot. That allows them to be run > with tighter skirt to cylinder wall clearances. They are great for > street use and up to about 5500 rpm. Because of the added weight > compared to the AE Hepolite pistons (or forged racing pistons) we > never considered them really suitable for racing or high rpm use. > > Greg Solow > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 From andre at gt6.ca Tue Nov 23 19:16:26 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:16:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I almost wonder if dropping in a whole new powerplant with attached tranny would be better, but not sure how much work that would entail. Miata? A. On 23 November 2010 21:04, Andrew Mace wrote: > This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even one that I know of in > a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a Triumph 2000 sedan, > which actually might be more plentiful in Canada than in the US? In the case > of the one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it involved some very major > reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old Borg-Warner is an > extremely bulky unit. > > Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays that can be made to > fit.... > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Rousseau > To: fot > Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm > Subject: [Fot] Advice... > > Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. > > > > > > I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but > > > recently has lost his left leg below the knee. > > > Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Nov 23 19:25:41 2010 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (PAUL MACDONALD) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:25:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <23892.23006.qm@web88103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> http://www.britishv8.org/Photos-Triumph-Conversions.htm Try here a couple already done --- On Wed, 11/24/10, Andre Rousseau wrote: > From: Andre Rousseau > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... > To: "Andrew Mace" > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 2:16 AM > I almost wonder if dropping in a > whole new powerplant with attached > tranny would be better, but not sure how much work that > would entail. > > Miata? > > A. > > On 23 November 2010 21:04, Andrew Mace > wrote: > > This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even > one that I know of > in > > a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a > Triumph 2000 sedan, > > which actually might be more plentiful in Canada than > in the US? In the > case > > of the one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it > involved some very major > > reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old > Borg-Warner is an > > extremely bulky unit. > > > > Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays > that can be made to > > fit.... > > > > --Andy Mace > > > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's > more your, er, Triumph > > Herald engine with wings. > > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying > Circus (22) > > > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The > Vintage Triumph > > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse > 6) and Triumph > Herald > > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andre Rousseau > > To: fot > > Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm > > Subject: [Fot] Advice... > > > > Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. > > > > > > > > > > > > I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring > a GT6, but > > > > > > recently has lost his left leg below the knee. > > > > > > Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From igofaster at att.net Tue Nov 23 19:26:58 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:26:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <422680.14139.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I used to own a 1967 Triumph 2000 Saloon and it had a Borg Warner automatic transmission. The Triumph 2000 had the same engine as a GT6. Rare car stateside as was only imported in L.A. or N.Y. from what I heard. Good thought and good response to keep a GT6 on the road. Happy Thanksgiving Ya'll .... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Andrew Mace To: andre at gt6.ca; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 8:04:40 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even one that I know of in a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a Triumph 2000 sedan, which actually might be more plentiful in Canada than in the US? In the case of the one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it involved some very major reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old Borg-Warner is an extremely bulky unit. Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays that can be made to fit.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Andre Rousseau To: fot Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm Subject: [Fot] Advice... Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but recently has lost his left leg below the knee. Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Nov 23 19:27:31 2010 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (PAUL MACDONALD) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:27:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <595734.99219.qm@web88108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Especially the Spitfire conversions, thinking the V6 ones would be good --- On Wed, 11/24/10, Andre Rousseau wrote: > From: Andre Rousseau > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... > To: "Andrew Mace" > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 2:16 AM > I almost wonder if dropping in a > whole new powerplant with attached > tranny would be better, but not sure how much work that > would entail. > > Miata? > > A. > > On 23 November 2010 21:04, Andrew Mace > wrote: > > This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even > one that I know of > in > > a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a > Triumph 2000 sedan, > > which actually might be more plentiful in Canada than > in the US? In the > case > > of the one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it > involved some very major > > reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old > Borg-Warner is an > > extremely bulky unit. > > > > Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays > that can be made to > > fit.... > > > > --Andy Mace > > > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's > more your, er, Triumph > > Herald engine with wings. > > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying > Circus (22) > > > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The > Vintage Triumph > > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse > 6) and Triumph > Herald > > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andre Rousseau > > To: fot > > Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm > > Subject: [Fot] Advice... > > > > Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. > > > > > > > > > > > > I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring > a GT6, but > > > > > > recently has lost his left leg below the knee. > > > > > > Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From mdporter at dfn.com Tue Nov 23 19:27:31 2010 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 19:27:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4CEC7813.7040906@dfn.com> On 11/23/2010 7:04 PM, Andrew Mace wrote: > This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even one that I know of in > a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a Triumph 2000 sedan, which > actually might be more plentiful in Canada than in the US? In the case of the > one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it involved some very major > reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old Borg-Warner is an > extremely bulky unit. > > Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays that can be made to > fit.... > > > > --Andy Mace > If the chassis surgery required to install the Borg-Warner is simply more work than the guy wants to entertain, and no modern equivalent is suitable, I'll throw out a couple of wild-assed guesses on other options--a decent fab and machining shop could probably adapt the working bits of the VW automatic stick shift to the car. Would likely require some welding and modification to the bellhousing to fit the solenoid and some modification of shifter extension for the switches, but it could probably be done. A similar--and less invasive--approach would be to use the existing bits, except to substitute one of the hydraulic clutch throw-out bearing units currently in use (Herman?) and then find a suitably-sized electric or electric servo piloted vacuum-operated solenoid to operate the clutch master. A Spitfire shifter arm with a knob-mounted clutch switch would, with a little practice, make shifting almost indistinguishable from standard. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From igofaster at att.net Tue Nov 23 19:28:14 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:28:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: References: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <650919.12918.qm@web180808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> IVE SEEN SOME WACKED V8 AND V6 CONVERSIONS ON EBAY... BOBBY ________________________________ From: Andre Rousseau To: Andrew Mace Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 8:16:26 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... I almost wonder if dropping in a whole new powerplant with attached tranny would be better, but not sure how much work that would entail. Miata? A. On 23 November 2010 21:04, Andrew Mace wrote: > This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even one that I know of in > a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a Triumph 2000 sedan, > which actually might be more plentiful in Canada than in the US? In the case > of the one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it involved some very major > reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old Borg-Warner is an > extremely bulky unit. > > Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays that can be made to > fit.... > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Rousseau > To: fot > Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm > Subject: [Fot] Advice... > > Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. > > > > > > I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but > > > recently has lost his left leg below the knee. > > > Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From mlcooknj at msn.com Tue Nov 23 19:45:27 2010 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:45:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: <422680.14139.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: , <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com>, <422680.14139.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: We sold about 1700-2000 of them 1964-68, nationwide. Most of them have long since turned to mulch. RE Sports Six, we had a test car with the BW 35 that could barely beat a Herald. Mike Cook > Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:26:58 -0800 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: herald948 at aol.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... > > I used to own a 1967 Triumph 2000 Saloon and it had a Borg Warner automatic > transmission. The Triumph 2000 had the same engine as a GT6. Rare car stateside > as was only imported in L.A. or N.Y. from what I heard. > > Good thought and good response to keep a GT6 on the road. > > Happy Thanksgiving Ya'll .... Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Andrew Mace > To: andre at gt6.ca; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 8:04:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... > > This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even one that I know of in > a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a Triumph 2000 sedan, which > actually might be more plentiful in Canada than in the US? In the case of the > one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it involved some very major > reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old Borg-Warner is an > extremely bulky unit. > > Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays that can be made to > fit.... > > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Rousseau > To: fot > Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm > Subject: [Fot] Advice... > > > Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. > > > > I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but > > recently has lost his left leg below the knee. > > Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Nov 23 20:02:10 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:02:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Advice...He can drive a stick though In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20101124030244.23C4418767B@autox.team.net> I used to run a business called Redi-Auto Sport. All we did were adaptations to sports and race cars. At the time we were the US importer of Guido Simplex controls. The same ones Alex Zenardi & Alberto Lovera use and Regazzoni ..used. Clutch is activated from a paddle on the shift knob, totally controllable and you can modulate it just like with your foot. http://www.guidosimplex-usa.com/ Jim G -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 6:55 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Advice... Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but recently has lost his left leg below the knee. Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. He does not want to give up his GT6. (Good man.) What can you recommend for an automatic conversion? I know about the T9, but not sure if they made an automatic. Thoughts. Tks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Tue Nov 23 21:07:50 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:07:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TRANNY CONVERSION INFO NEEDED FOR A GUY WHO LOST A LEG Message-ID: Thanks to Dean Beaupre for the following... RB Sorry to hear about the leg. There are lots of products to help handicaped ( I hate that word) drivers. These are mostly of the hydraulic device activated by a hand button or lever variety. Depending on wheter gas, brake or clutch leg is lost maybe the best solution is to use the hand hydraulic interface with existing gearbox. Food for thought. Good luck. Dean On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:06 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > Hi Gang...Please read below...If you can help..Contact Andre at the > address > link below.. > thanks > Racer Bud > > >> Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. >> >> I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but >> recently has lost his left leg below the knee. >> Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. >> >> He does not want to give up his GT6. (Good man.) >> >> What can you recommend for an automatic conversion? >> >> I know about the T9, but not sure if they made an automatic. >> >> Thoughts. >> >> Tks. >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tr6driver at yahoo.com Tue Nov 23 21:52:39 2010 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:52:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: References: , <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com>, <422680.14139.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <346477.66842.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> As the owner of two 2000's (one of which is slowly coming BACK from mulch, see http://2000estate.blogspot.com), I have what's left of one BW35 (never tried it in a car but the flex plate is bad, typical fault, Rimmer sells a reinforcement plate) and torque converter needs rebuilding (two tangs meant to engage tranny are broken, speedo drive has been cannibalized) that anyone is welcome to free for the shipping. Let me know... Jamie Palmer RiffRAF Racing Raleigh, NC ________________________________ From: michael cook To: igofaster at att.net; Andy Mace Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 9:45:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... We sold about 1700-2000 of them 1964-68, nationwide. Most of them have long since turned to mulch. RE Sports Six, we had a test car with the BW 35 that could barely beat a Herald. Mike Cook > Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:26:58 -0800 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: herald948 at aol.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... > > I used to own a 1967 Triumph 2000 Saloon and it had a Borg Warner automatic > transmission. The Triumph 2000 had the same engine as a GT6. Rare car stateside > as was only imported in L.A. or N.Y. from what I heard. > > Good thought and good response to keep a GT6 on the road. > > Happy Thanksgiving Ya'll .... Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Andrew Mace > To: andre at gt6.ca; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 8:04:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... > > This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even one that I know of in > a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a Triumph 2000 sedan, which > actually might be more plentiful in Canada than in the US? In the case of the > one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it involved some very major > reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old Borg-Warner is an > extremely bulky unit. > > Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays that can be made to > fit.... > > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Rousseau > To: fot > Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm > Subject: [Fot] Advice... > > > Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. > > > > I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but > > recently has lost his left leg below the knee. > > Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Nov 23 22:01:54 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:01:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TRANNY CONVERSION INFO NEEDED FOR A GUY WHO LOST A LEG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20101124050228.0F5B018767B@autox.team.net> I used to run a business called Redi-Auto Sport. All we did were adaptations to sports and race cars. At the time we were the US importer of Guido Simplex controls. The same ones Alex Zenardi & Alberto Lovera use and Regazzoni ..used. Clutch is activated from a paddle on the shift knob, totally controllable and you can modulate it just like with your foot. http://www.guidosimplex-usa.com/ Jim G -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:08 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: DEAN STEELHEAD BEAUPRE Subject: [Fot] Fw: TRANNY CONVERSION INFO NEEDED FOR A GUY WHO LOST A LEG Thanks to Dean Beaupre for the following... RB Sorry to hear about the leg. There are lots of products to help handicaped ( I hate that word) drivers. These are mostly of the hydraulic device activated by a hand button or lever variety. Depending on wheter gas, brake or clutch leg is lost maybe the best solution is to use the hand hydraulic interface with existing gearbox. Food for thought. Good luck. Dean On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:06 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > Hi Gang...Please read below...If you can help..Contact Andre at the > address > link below.. > thanks > Racer Bud > > >> Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. >> >> I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but >> recently has lost his left leg below the knee. >> Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. >> >> He does not want to give up his GT6. (Good man.) >> >> What can you recommend for an automatic conversion? >> >> I know about the T9, but not sure if they made an automatic. >> >> Thoughts. >> >> Tks. >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From cofrog at q.com Tue Nov 23 22:23:37 2010 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 05:23:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TRANNY CONVERSION INFO NEEDED FOR A GUY WHO LOST A LEG In-Reply-To: <20101124050228.0F5B018767B@autox.team.net> References: , <20101124050228.0F5B018767B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: There is a Triumph guy in Grand Junction Colorado that is doing this sort of thing, Mark Saro. I can get contact info if needed. Dan Forgey > From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > To: budscars at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:01:54 -0700 > CC: dabeaupre at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: TRANNY CONVERSION INFO NEEDED FOR A GUY WHO LOST A LEG > > I used to run a business called Redi-Auto Sport. All we did were adaptations > to sports and race cars. At the time we were the US importer of Guido > Simplex controls. > The same ones Alex Zenardi & Alberto Lovera use and Regazzoni ..used. > Clutch is activated from a paddle on the shift knob, totally controllable > and you can modulate it just like with your foot. > > http://www.guidosimplex-usa.com/ > > > Jim G > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:08 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: DEAN STEELHEAD BEAUPRE > Subject: [Fot] Fw: TRANNY CONVERSION INFO NEEDED FOR A GUY WHO LOST A LEG > > Thanks to Dean Beaupre for the following... > RB > > > Sorry to hear about the leg. There are lots of products to help > handicaped ( I hate that word) drivers. These are mostly of the > hydraulic device activated by a hand button or lever variety. > Depending on wheter gas, brake or clutch leg is lost maybe the best > solution is to use the hand hydraulic interface with existing gearbox. > Food for thought. Good luck. Dean > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:06 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > > Hi Gang...Please read below...If you can help..Contact Andre at the > > address > > link below.. > > thanks > > Racer Bud > > > > > >> Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. > >> > >> I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but > >> recently has lost his left leg below the knee. > >> Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. > >> > >> He does not want to give up his GT6. (Good man.) > >> > >> What can you recommend for an automatic conversion? > >> > >> I know about the T9, but not sure if they made an automatic. > >> > >> Thoughts. > >> > >> Tks. > >> > >> A. > >> > >> -- > >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > >> http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > >> #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > >> Ottawa, ON, Canada > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From ac at camoletti.ch Wed Nov 24 05:08:55 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 13:08:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets In-Reply-To: <20101123.211305.11775.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> References: <20101123.211305.11775.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <002a01cb8bd0$656dbc60$30493520$@camoletti.ch> Made all measurements in the shop yesterday: MAHLE piston and stuff 86mm+0.040'' (86.97mm for a 87.02 liner, 0.05mm clearance): Piston complete 719 gr Pin 141 Rings 38 Clips 2 Piston blank 538 gr -----Message d'origine----- De : Joe Boruch [mailto:jaboruch at netzero.com] Envoyi : mercredi 24 novembre 2010 03:13 @ : ac at camoletti.ch Cc : kaskas at cox.net; gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com; RKramer at rdoequipment.com; Lunkercars at earthlink.net; fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets My custom made Diamond pistons are 87mm and weigh 469 grams, without pins or rings. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Alexandre Camoletti" To: "'Kas Kastner'" , "'Greg Solow'" , "'Kramer, Robert'" , "'Greg \"Lunker\"Hilyer'" , "'FoT Triumph'" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:57:24 +0100 Just checked Mahle pistons sitting on the bench, these are 86mm+ .040'' and they weight 676 (1) and 680 grams (3). What is the weight of the stock pistons, and the weight of the Hepolite, or from other reputable brands? Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Kas Kastner Envoyi : samedi 20 novembre 2010 18:12 @ : Greg Solow; Kramer, Robert; Greg "Lunker"Hilyer; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Good information Greg. I remember weighing a set of these Mahle pistons years ago and could not believe how heavy they were. Never used them. Hepolites were my fittings. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Solow" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:14 PM To: "Kramer, Robert" ; "Greg "Lunker"Hilyer" ; "FoT Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets > The Mahle pistons have steel struts cast into the piston skirts to > control skirt size and expansion when hot. That allows them to be run > with tighter skirt to cylinder wall clearances. They are great for > street use and up to about 5500 rpm. Because of the added weight > compared to the AE Hepolite pistons (or forged racing pistons) we > never considered them really suitable for racing or high rpm use. > > Greg Solow > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 From donmarshall at nefcom.net Wed Nov 24 05:44:28 2010 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 07:44:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets In-Reply-To: <002a01cb8bd0$656dbc60$30493520$@camoletti.ch> References: <20101123.211305.11775.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> <002a01cb8bd0$656dbc60$30493520$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: According to documentation from my machine shop when they weighed and balanced everything Venolia 87mm piston with pin - 601.5 Rings (Totalseal) - 28.9 Locks - 2.1 Total complete piston - 632.5g On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 07:08:55 -0500, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: > Made all measurements in the shop yesterday: > > MAHLE piston and stuff 86mm+0.040'' (86.97mm for a 87.02 liner, 0.05mm > clearance): > > Piston complete 719 gr > Pin 141 > Rings 38 > Clips 2 > Piston blank 538 gr From wensley_tr at comcast.net Wed Nov 24 07:28:28 2010 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:28:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Giving Thanks for VDCA's Last Race of the Year In-Reply-To: <20101123211804.E34911C046B@smtp0.av-mx.com> References: <20101123211804.E34911C046B@smtp0.av-mx.com> Message-ID: <001001cb8be3$dcb270f0$961752d0$@net> Oh god I don't want to picture Leo belly dancing Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of donmarshall at nefcom.net Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 4:18 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Giving Thanks for VDCA's Last Race of the Year As we prepare to join family and friends on this Thanksgiving Day, we should remember our friends at VDCA. While we dine on white meat, mashed potatoes & gravy, and that wonderful pumpkin pie, they will be preparing for their Annual Season Finale at Roebling Road Raceway. Yes, even though the temperatures are dropping, and old St. Nick is tuning his sleigh, some of us are still prepping ("repairing" in old English) our race cars. This year's event will be held on December 10th through the 12th and Mike Jackson has guaranteed beautiful weather in Savannah. So, go to their website, print the entry form and mail it in with your check. Load the spare parts and bring plenty of race gas and oil. You'll need it for all of the track time you will have. And, if that isn't enough, as a special bonus you will be invited to join Friday evening's festivities at the Triumph Ghetto! The Friday party promises to be memorable - Leo Oddi will entertain us with his new Hula Dance - thankfully he dropped the belly dancing lessons. Dean Tetterton will explain to all of us the REAL reason he didn't come to the Hurricane event in September. Rob Deanes will debut his newest fishing stories, I will cook, as usual, and the rest of the Ghettoers will continue work on that day's idea on the Triumph Spec Racer!. So, mark the date and plan on being with us in Savannah. This is gonna be a BLAST! The Triumph Ghetto -- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From herald948 at aol.com Wed Nov 24 08:12:02 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 10:12:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: <4CEC7813.7040906@dfn.com> References: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> <4CEC7813.7040906@dfn.com> Message-ID: <8CD5A0115083F61-164C-30DF@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Michael Porter If the chassis surgery required to install the Borg-Warner is simply more work than the guy wants to entertain, and no modern equivalent is suitable, I'll throw out a couple of wild-assed guesses on other options--a decent fab and machining shop could probably adapt the working bits of the VW automatic stick shift to the car. ==AM== Funny you should mention that, as the VW Beetle's 'semi-automatic' -- if I remember correctly --- was rather similar to what was called 'Standrive' on the Standard 10 sedan and 'Triumatic' (or 'Trimatic' -- depends on what factory literature you're reading) on the Triumph 10. Maybe Mike Cook would know if any Triumph 10s were actually sold here in the US with Triumatic, which used hydraulics, servos and other bells and whistles to actuate the clutch via the shift lever while keeping the original four-speed gearbox. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From billbab at me.com Wed Nov 24 09:26:30 2010 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 06:26:30 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Hoosier R6 tire pressures In-Reply-To: References: <14703571-8ED5-4E74-9EA8-66D706894B56@bnj.com> <94FFC3F3-E73D-451D-907D-CB3D68085D4B@me.com> Message-ID: Just came across this and realized I never answered. Wrong means not optimal, and both you and I know .5 degrees is not "wrong" for a radial tire. Fine for a bias ply. I've seen you drive your car and work on it. I know you know what's "right". On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:52 AM, Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: >>> If an overinflated tire makes your car handle better it's because your camber is wrong. > >>> > While I basically agree, please define "wrong". > My car has .5 degrees of hard gotten negative camber. It could also be put in full street trim in about 5 hours - cracked windshield, ratty interior, stock ride height, skinny wheels and all. Nothing has ever been bent, cut, drilled, or otherwise molested to prevent it from going back to the two owner, 75.000 mile street car that it is. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Nov 24 12:00:35 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:00:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Giving Thanks for VDCA's Last Race of the Year In-Reply-To: <001001cb8be3$dcb270f0$961752d0$@net> References: <20101123211804.E34911C046B@smtp0.av-mx.com> <001001cb8be3$dcb270f0$961752d0$@net> Message-ID: Well, come on down and see if Leo dances , I will try to make the fish stories come to life with Carolina lobsters and grouper to boot for Friday nights dinner...so bring your TRs on down and have some fun...Saturday night is a pig picking and oysters..plus the beer...you want go home hungry. On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Craig wrote: > Oh god I don't want to picture Leo belly dancing > > > > Craig > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of donmarshall at nefcom.net > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 4:18 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Giving Thanks for VDCA's Last Race of the Year > > > > As we prepare to join family and friends on this Thanksgiving Day, we > > should remember our friends at VDCA. While we dine on white meat, mashed > > potatoes & gravy, and that wonderful pumpkin pie, they will be preparing > > for their Annual Season Finale at Roebling Road Raceway. > > > > Yes, even though the temperatures are dropping, and old St. Nick is tuning > > his sleigh, some of us are still prepping ("repairing" in old English) our > > race cars. This year's event will be held on December 10th through the > > 12th and Mike Jackson has guaranteed beautiful weather in Savannah. > > > > So, go to their website, print the entry form and mail it in with your > > check. Load the spare parts and bring plenty of race gas and oil. You'll > > need it for all of the track time you will have. And, if that isn't > > enough, as a special bonus you will be invited to join Friday evening's > > festivities at the Triumph Ghetto! > > > > The Friday party promises to be memorable - Leo Oddi will entertain us > > with his new Hula Dance - thankfully he dropped the belly dancing lessons. > > Dean Tetterton will explain to all of us the REAL reason he didn't come to > > the Hurricane event in September. Rob Deanes will debut his newest fishing > > stories, I will cook, as usual, and the rest of the Ghettoers will > > continue work on that day's idea on the Triumph Spec Racer!. > > > > So, mark the date and plan on being with us in Savannah. This is gonna be > > a BLAST! > > > > The Triumph Ghetto > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Nov 24 12:11:49 2010 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 13:11:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kas's New Book Message-ID: Kas's new book arrived today. It looks amazing. I don't think I'll get much done at work this afternoon. ;-) From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Nov 24 12:52:59 2010 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:52:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Giving Thanks for VRG's Last Race of the Year In-Reply-To: References: <20101123211804.E34911C046B@smtp0.av-mx.com> <001001cb8be3$dcb270f0$961752d0$@net> Message-ID: <4AD81415-FE8E-4167-8E16-3D9AE2E3E25A@comcast.net> Some of us will be giving thanks a little earlier than that at Vintage Racing Group's Turkey Bowl at Summit Point this weekend - the last vintage event in the colder Northeast. Practices Friday, racing Saturday and a one hour enduro on Sunday. As with last year, there's a chance of rain on Friday, but the prediction is for crystal clear 50 degree days on Sat-Sun. I'll be showing up Friday night for at least two days of festivities with the GT6 and Rich Rock is expected with his Triumph six-powered TVR. Last year I only recall two other Triumphs - a Spitfire and a beautiful Triumph-powered Peerless. Some FOTs are expected to be spectating as well. Lots of driving time on a great track. Come on out! On Nov 24, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Robert Deanes wrote: Well, come on down and see if Leo dances , I will try to make the fish stories come to life with Carolina lobsters and grouper to boot for Friday nights dinner...so bring your TRs on down and have some fun...Saturday night is a pig picking and oysters..plus the beer...you want go home hungry. On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Craig wrote: > Oh god I don't want to picture Leo belly dancing > > > > Craig > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of donmarshall at nefcom.net > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 4:18 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Giving Thanks for VDCA's Last Race of the Year > > > > As we prepare to join family and friends on this Thanksgiving Day, we > > should remember our friends at VDCA. While we dine on white meat, > mashed > > potatoes & gravy, and that wonderful pumpkin pie, they will be > preparing > > for their Annual Season Finale at Roebling Road Raceway. > > > > Yes, even though the temperatures are dropping, and old St. Nick is > tuning > > his sleigh, some of us are still prepping ("repairing" in old > English) our > > race cars. This year's event will be held on December 10th through the > > 12th and Mike Jackson has guaranteed beautiful weather in Savannah. > > > > So, go to their website, print the entry form and mail it in with your > > check. Load the spare parts and bring plenty of race gas and oil. > You'll > > need it for all of the track time you will have. And, if that isn't > > enough, as a special bonus you will be invited to join Friday > evening's > > festivities at the Triumph Ghetto! > > > > The Friday party promises to be memorable - Leo Oddi will entertain us > > with his new Hula Dance - thankfully he dropped the belly dancing > lessons. > > Dean Tetterton will explain to all of us the REAL reason he didn't > come to > > the Hurricane event in September. Rob Deanes will debut his newest > fishing > > stories, I will cook, as usual, and the rest of the Ghettoers will > > continue work on that day's idea on the Triumph Spec Racer!. > > > > So, mark the date and plan on being with us in Savannah. This is > gonna be > > a BLAST! > > > > The Triumph Ghetto > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Nov 24 14:21:58 2010 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (jerryvv at roadrunner.com) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 16:21:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: <8CD5A0115083F61-164C-30DF@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20101124212158.9C45I.58831.root@cdptpa-web25-z01> Did those transmissions have a torque converter as well as a clutch like the old Chrysler products from the 1950's? JVV ---- Andrew Mace wrote: > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Porter > > > > If the chassis surgery required to install the Borg-Warner is simply > more work than the guy wants to entertain, and no modern equivalent is > suitable, I'll throw out a couple of wild-assed guesses on other > options--a decent fab and machining shop could probably adapt the > working bits of the VW automatic stick shift to the car. > > > ==AM== > Funny you should mention that, as the VW Beetle's 'semi-automatic' -- if I > remember correctly --- was rather similar to what was called > 'Standrive' on the Standard 10 sedan and 'Triumatic' (or 'Trimatic' -- depends > on what factory literature you're reading) on the Triumph 10. > Maybe Mike Cook would know if any Triumph 10s were actually sold here in the > US with Triumatic, which used hydraulics, servos and other > bells and whistles to actuate the clutch via the shift lever while keeping the > original four-speed gearbox. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Nov 24 15:20:51 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 23:20:51 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets In-Reply-To: <20101123.211305.11775.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> References: <20101123.211305.11775.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <001a01cb8c25$dbe46c90$93ad45b0$@com> I run Mahle forged pistons with a weight of 480gr incl. pin and rings. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Joe Boruch Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. November 2010 03:13 An: ac at camoletti.ch Cc: Lunkercars at earthlink.net; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets My custom made Diamond pistons are 87mm and weigh 469 grams, without pins or rings. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Alexandre Camoletti" To: "'Kas Kastner'" , "'Greg Solow'" , "'Kramer, Robert'" , "'Greg \"Lunker\"Hilyer'" , "'FoT Triumph'" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:57:24 +0100 Just checked Mahle pistons sitting on the bench, these are 86mm+ .040'' and they weight 676 (1) and 680 grams (3). What is the weight of the stock pistons, and the weight of the Hepolite, or from other reputable brands? Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Kas Kastner Envoyi : samedi 20 novembre 2010 18:12 @ : Greg Solow; Kramer, Robert; Greg "Lunker"Hilyer; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Good information Greg. I remember weighing a set of these Mahle pistons years ago and could not believe how heavy they were. Never used them. Hepolites were my fittings. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Solow" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:14 PM To: "Kramer, Robert" ; "Greg "Lunker"Hilyer" ; "FoT Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets > The Mahle pistons have steel struts cast into the piston skirts to > control skirt size and expansion when hot. That allows them to be run > with tighter skirt to cylinder wall clearances. They are great for > street use and up to about 5500 rpm. Because of the added weight > compared to the AE Hepolite pistons (or forged racing pistons) we > never considered them really suitable for racing or high rpm use. > > Greg Solow > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From herald948 at aol.com Wed Nov 24 17:15:40 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 19:15:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... Message-ID: <8CD5A4D06FE8FE1-C84-D622@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> The "Standrive" / "Triumatic" used a "Newton Bennett" centrifugal clutch, and solenoids and servos handled changing gear (push the switch on the end of the shift lever and then move the lever as you would a manual gearbox). In fact, it was the same gearbox otherwise. All rather clever if complicated, and apparently somewhat troublesome over the years.... ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: jerryvv Did those transmissions have a torque converter as well as a clutch like the old Chrysler products from the 1950's? From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Nov 24 22:38:16 2010 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 21:38:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: <8CD5A4D06FE8FE1-C84-D622@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD5A4D06FE8FE1-C84-D622@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <081601cb8c62$f5a4c110$0301a8c0@randall> > The "Standrive" / "Triumatic" used a "Newton Bennett" > centrifugal clutch, FWIW, the VW version had a torque converter, perhaps more similar to those Chrysler products of the 50's. I don't recall the entire clutch linkage, but it started with an electrical switch at the bottom of the gear lever, that was supposed to sense when the driver grabbed the shift knob; and involved a device that looked rather like a power brake booster. I owned one briefly, but not long enough to make it work. -- Randall From kaskas at cox.net Thu Nov 25 09:11:15 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 08:11:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Address needed Message-ID: <6218005F77E04476B4877FDFC2C5B769@KasPC> BOB KRAMER please send me your mailing address. From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Nov 25 17:43:29 2010 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 19:43:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2500/2000 seperate bell housing Message-ID: <000301cb8d02$f1f09d00$d5d1d700$@rr.com> Is there such a thing as a standalone bell housing that would fit the 2500cc engine of a TR6 or 250? I have a modification I want to try. I'm working on trying a 5 speed Ford Type 9 behind a 2500 engine. Any info appreciated. Thanks Russ Moore From herald948 at aol.com Thu Nov 25 20:04:07 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 22:04:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 2500/2000 seperate bell housing In-Reply-To: <000301cb8d02$f1f09d00$d5d1d700$@rr.com> References: <000301cb8d02$f1f09d00$d5d1d700$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CD5B2DB92346F4-C84-202DA@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> The GT6/Vitesse bellhousing comes to mind! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing To: fot Sent: Thu, Nov 25, 2010 7:45 pm Subject: [Fot] 2500/2000 seperate bell housing Is there such a thing as a standalone bell housing that would fit the 2500cc engine of a TR6 or 250? I have a modification I want to try. I'm working on trying a 5 speed Ford Type 9 behind a 2500 engine. Any info appreciated. Thanks From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Nov 26 02:17:54 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 10:17:54 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Photos Season 2010 In-Reply-To: <8CD5B2DB92346F4-C84-202DA@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> References: <000301cb8d02$f1f09d00$d5d1d700$@rr.com> <8CD5B2DB92346F4-C84-202DA@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001c01cb8d4a$d0c83870$7258a950$@com> I've just updated my webpage with some photos: http://www.tr4-racing.de/deu/gallery2010.html Cheers Chris From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Nov 26 11:25:41 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 10:25:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help Message-ID: <66373964-9A58-478A-8EB8-3DC5A3281639@aol.com> Listers, I acquired a TR3-4 billet crank that has non-stock dimensions at the rear seal and flywheel end. I can't seem to get any info /history on the original set-up. The crank is like a TR6 with no flange to mount the flywheel, but the diameter at the rear seal is 3.125" (versus something under 3" for stock TR6 and 2.5" for the no scroll TR3-4 upgrade seal). I posted a picture showing the crank next to a stock unit @: http://s840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/jfrymark/TR4%20Crankshaft/ Any one know of this set-up or a rear seal for this crank? Also, I have investigated a run of TR3-4 billet crankshafts from Marine Crankshaft, a highly respected shop in Santa Ana, CA. Price is under $2500 depending on run size. If you might be interested, let me know off-line. No obligation at this time...info gathering only. Thanks, John Frymark VARA DP #67 TR4A From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Nov 26 12:05:31 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 13:05:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help In-Reply-To: <66373964-9A58-478A-8EB8-3DC5A3281639@aol.com> References: <66373964-9A58-478A-8EB8-3DC5A3281639@aol.com> Message-ID: <20101126190505.A96A0187878@autox.team.net> Looks like the crankshaft that Cambridge sells: http://www.cambridgemotorsport.com/Historic-Racing-Parts-TR4-Crankshaft-Flywheels I think you need a flywheel manufactured to fit as well. Cool set up. Flywheels are listed on that page too. While the seal isn't listed there (and I didn't search the whole site for it), I would think they could get you set up with the proper seal and housing. - Tony Drews At 12:25 PM 11/26/2010, John Frymark wrote: >Listers, > >I acquired a TR3-4 billet crank that has non-stock dimensions at the >rear seal and flywheel end. I can't seem to get any info /history on >the original set-up. > >The crank is like a TR6 with no flange to mount the flywheel, but the >diameter at the rear seal is 3.125" (versus something under 3" for >stock TR6 and 2.5" for the no scroll TR3-4 upgrade seal). I posted a >picture showing the crank next to a stock unit @: > >http://s840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/jfrymark/TR4%20Crankshaft/ > >Any one know of this set-up or a rear seal for this crank? > >Also, I have investigated a run of TR3-4 billet crankshafts from >Marine Crankshaft, a highly respected shop in Santa Ana, CA. Price is >under $2500 depending on run size. If you might be interested, let me >know off-line. No obligation at this time...info gathering only. > >Thanks, >John Frymark >VARA DP #67 TR4A >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Nov 26 12:50:53 2010 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 11:50:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help In-Reply-To: <20101126190505.A96A0187878@autox.team.net> References: <66373964-9A58-478A-8EB8-3DC5A3281639@aol.com>, <20101126190505.A96A0187878@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I'm pretty sure the seal you need for the 12 bolt crank , is from the "kent" ford engine (formula ford). It's a one piece lip seal. I can't remember but i think you have to do a little maching on the Block/cap for the out dia. of the seal. I can supply an alloy flywheel/clutch assembly approx. weight is 12.5 lbs. cost is P.O.A. Thanks Tony > Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 13:05:31 -0600 > To: jfrymark at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: tony at tonydrews.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help > > Looks like the crankshaft that Cambridge sells: > http://www.cambridgemotorsport.com/Historic-Racing-Parts-TR4-Crankshaft-Flywh eels > > I think you need a flywheel manufactured to fit as well. Cool set > up. Flywheels are listed on that page too. While the seal isn't > listed there (and I didn't search the whole site for it), I would > think they could get you set up with the proper seal and housing. > > - Tony Drews > > At 12:25 PM 11/26/2010, John Frymark wrote: > >Listers, > > > >I acquired a TR3-4 billet crank that has non-stock dimensions at the > >rear seal and flywheel end. I can't seem to get any info /history on > >the original set-up. > > > >The crank is like a TR6 with no flange to mount the flywheel, but the > >diameter at the rear seal is 3.125" (versus something under 3" for > >stock TR6 and 2.5" for the no scroll TR3-4 upgrade seal). I posted a > >picture showing the crank next to a stock unit @: > > > >http://s840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/jfrymark/TR4%20Crankshaft/ > > > >Any one know of this set-up or a rear seal for this crank? > > > >Also, I have investigated a run of TR3-4 billet crankshafts from > >Marine Crankshaft, a highly respected shop in Santa Ana, CA. Price is > >under $2500 depending on run size. If you might be interested, let me > >know off-line. No obligation at this time...info gathering only. > > > >Thanks, > >John Frymark > >VARA DP #67 TR4A > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Nov 26 15:33:35 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 23:33:35 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help In-Reply-To: <66373964-9A58-478A-8EB8-3DC5A3281639@aol.com> References: <66373964-9A58-478A-8EB8-3DC5A3281639@aol.com> Message-ID: <001201cb8db9$f7f02dd0$e7d08970$@com> This crank looks like a Bastuck crank. I know of about 3 cranks broke from that design. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von John Frymark Gesendet: Freitag, 26. November 2010 19:26 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help Listers, I acquired a TR3-4 billet crank that has non-stock dimensions at the rear seal and flywheel end. I can't seem to get any info /history on the original set-up. The crank is like a TR6 with no flange to mount the flywheel, but the diameter at the rear seal is 3.125" (versus something under 3" for stock TR6 and 2.5" for the no scroll TR3-4 upgrade seal). I posted a picture showing the crank next to a stock unit @: http://s840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/jfrymark/TR4%20Crankshaft/ Any one know of this set-up or a rear seal for this crank? Also, I have investigated a run of TR3-4 billet crankshafts from Marine Crankshaft, a highly respected shop in Santa Ana, CA. Price is under $2500 depending on run size. If you might be interested, let me know off-line. No obligation at this time...info gathering only. Thanks, John Frymark VARA DP #67 TR4A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Nov 26 16:20:04 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:20:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help In-Reply-To: References: <66373964-9A58-478A-8EB8-3DC5A3281639@aol.com>, <20101126190505.A96A0187878@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8DE53D5F-33D8-44F8-831A-E4985CDE3960@aol.com> That's it! Thanks for the expertise and fast replies from the Tonys. John Frymark On Nov 26, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: > I'm pretty sure the seal you need for the 12 bolt crank , is from > the "kent" ford engine (formula ford). It's a one piece lip seal. I > can't remember but i think you have to do a little maching on the > Block/cap for the out dia. of the seal. I can supply an alloy > flywheel/clutch assembly approx. weight is 12.5 lbs. cost is P.O.A. > > Thanks > Tony > > > Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 13:05:31 -0600 > > To: jfrymark at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net > > From: tony at tonydrews.com > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help > > > > Looks like the crankshaft that Cambridge sells: > > http://www.cambridgemotorsport.com/Historic-Racing-Parts-TR4-Crankshaft-Flywheels > > > > I think you need a flywheel manufactured to fit as well. Cool set > > up. Flywheels are listed on that page too. While the seal isn't > > listed there (and I didn't search the whole site for it), I would > > think they could get you set up with the proper seal and housing. > > > > - Tony Drews > > > > At 12:25 PM 11/26/2010, John Frymark wrote: > > >Listers, > > > > > >I acquired a TR3-4 billet crank that has non-stock dimensions at > the > > >rear seal and flywheel end. I can't seem to get any info /history > on > > >the original set-up. > > > > > >The crank is like a TR6 with no flange to mount the flywheel, but > the > > >diameter at the rear seal is 3.125" (versus something under 3" for > > >stock TR6 and 2.5" for the no scroll TR3-4 upgrade seal). I > posted a > > >picture showing the crank next to a stock unit @: > > > > > >http://s840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/jfrymark/TR4%20Crankshaft/ > > > > > >Any one know of this set-up or a rear seal for this crank? > > > > > >Also, I have investigated a run of TR3-4 billet crankshafts from > > >Marine Crankshaft, a highly respected shop in Santa Ana, CA. > Price is > > >under $2500 depending on run size. If you might be interested, > let me > > >know off-line. No obligation at this time...info gathering only. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >John Frymark > > >VARA DP #67 TR4A > > >_______________________________________________ > > >fot at autox.team.net > > > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From igofaster at att.net Fri Nov 26 18:17:56 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 17:17:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] KASTNERS BOOK ARRIVED Message-ID: <683823.49132.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Christmas came early, Mr. Kastners new book was in my mail slot today! I'll be busy for a day or two... bye bye ya'll...... thanks for the GT6 Chapters Kas!!!!! Bobby Whitehead From andre at gt6.ca Fri Nov 26 19:46:07 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 21:46:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] KASTNERS BOOK ARRIVED In-Reply-To: <683823.49132.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <683823.49132.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've been checking my box daily, but it takes time to come North ;) Driving season is all over... Snow snow snow snow :( A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 26 November 2010 20:17, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Christmas came early, Mr. Kastners new book was in my mail slot today! > > I'll be busy for a day or two... bye bye ya'll...... thanks for > the GT6 Chapters Kas!!!!! > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Nov 27 09:24:10 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 11:24:10 EST Subject: [Fot] KASTNERS BOOK ARRIVED Message-ID: <93d29.37d82059.3a228aaa@aol.com> Mine came yesterday as well. It looks to be another excellent job but there's too much Chuck. The car looks good and lots of mention of adorable daughter Sammi, just too much Chuck;-)) In a message dated 11/26/2010 6:48:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, andre at gt6.ca writes: I've been checking my box daily, but it takes time to come North ;) Driving season is all over... Snow snow snow snow :( A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 26 November 2010 20:17, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Christmas came early, Mr. Kastners new book was in my mail slot today! > > I'll be busy for a day or two... bye bye ya'll...... thanks for > the GT6 Chapters Kas!!!!! > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From jerrybarr at charter.net Sat Nov 27 09:54:30 2010 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:54:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KASTNERS BOOK ARRIVED In-Reply-To: <93d29.37d82059.3a228aaa@aol.com> References: <93d29.37d82059.3a228aaa@aol.com> Message-ID: <49CEFDE8-096B-43E0-BDCB-750094C7A16E@charter.net> There is always ice racing! For you west coasters that is when the lakes freeze we go racing on the ice. I tried ice fishing but I never found a good recipe for cooking the ice that I caught. On Nov 27, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > Mine came yesterday as well. It looks to be another excellent job but > there's too much Chuck. The car looks good and lots of mention of adorable > daughter Sammi, just too much Chuck;-)) > > > In a message dated 11/26/2010 6:48:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > andre at gt6.ca writes: > > I've been checking my box daily, but it takes time to come North ;) > > Driving season is all over... Snow snow snow snow :( > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > On 26 November 2010 20:17, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> Christmas came early, Mr. Kastners new book was in my mail slot today! >> >> I'll be busy for a day or two... bye bye ya'll...... thanks > for >> the GT6 Chapters Kas!!!!! >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sat Nov 27 11:33:57 2010 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:33:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] KASTNERS BOOK ARRIVED In-Reply-To: <49CEFDE8-096B-43E0-BDCB-750094C7A16E@charter.net> References: <93d29.37d82059.3a228aaa@aol.com> <49CEFDE8-096B-43E0-BDCB-750094C7A16E@charter.net> Message-ID: <4DF3F17A-DE17-41CF-8D4B-EED58A72B374@aol.com> Please stop tormenting me! I haven't been able to check my mailbox yet. I am looking forward to Monday (hopefully) checking my mailbox and spending a few hours reading it. On Nov 27, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Jerry Barr wrote: > There is always ice racing! For you west coasters that is when the lakes > freeze we go racing on the ice. I tried ice fishing but I never found a good > recipe for cooking the ice that I caught. > On Nov 27, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > >> Mine came yesterday as well. It looks to be another excellent job but >> there's too much Chuck. The car looks good and lots of mention of adorable >> daughter Sammi, just too much Chuck;-)) >> >> >> In a message dated 11/26/2010 6:48:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> andre at gt6.ca writes: >> >> I've been checking my box daily, but it takes time to come North ;) >> >> Driving season is all over... Snow snow snow snow :( >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> >> On 26 November 2010 20:17, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>> Christmas came early, Mr. Kastners new book was in my mail slot today! >>> >>> I'll be busy for a day or two... bye bye ya'll...... thanks >> for >>> the GT6 Chapters Kas!!!!! >>> >>> Bobby Whitehead >>> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From cwnfot at gmail.com Mon Nov 29 21:23:10 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 23:23:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Top Gear In-Reply-To: <000001cb9040$371c2850$a55478f0$@rr.com> References: <000001cb9004$f25644c0$d702ce40$@net> <000001cb9040$371c2850$a55478f0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <00b001cb9046$4db3ca90$e91b5fb0$@com> I attended the premier showing of several segments and introduction to the stars of the American Top Gear at the LV Hilton Wednesday evening during SEMA in Las Vegas early November. My buddy fell asleep, neither of us found it compelling. We did get free soda, popcorn and a Tee-Shirt though. Buzz wasn't there, that would have been cool! The Pawn Star guys were there somewhere but didn't go on stage. Hey, did you see the NOS Cobra bare aluminum Cobra body someone brought them, abandoned in a storage unit? There's a story there for sure! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From markvaden at gmail.com Tue Nov 30 22:02:51 2010 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:02:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Racing Software Message-ID: Hi Everyone, As many of you already know, as a side project for the past 3 years I have been working on a piece of software with a colleague called DashWare. DashWare allows you to analyze video and data together, as well as overlay gauges on top of video. Until recently ChaseCam was our exclusive distributor, and they handled all of our sales and marketing. Our software always worked with a variety of data loggers and cameras, but most of our sales were to ChaseCam customers. In an attempt to widen our appeal, in addition to selling through ChaseCam, we are also selling DashWare independantly of ChaseCam at www.DashWare.net. We are still working with ChaseCam, and in fact their new DIVA system uses DashWare for all the analysis. If you are in the market for a camera and logger I would definitely recommend the DIVA. If you already have a camera and a logger, or are thinking of buying either, check out DashWare. DashWare works with almost every data logger on the market, as well as many cameras including ChaseCam, GoPro, ContourHD, ContourGPS and others. One feature that we really like is our compatibility with multiple loggers, as this increases the likelihood of comparing your data to someone else's. There is more information and a free trial available at www.DashWare.net. I know commercial posts are controversial on the FOT mailing list, but since our product was built with racing in mind, I thought it was appropriate. I myself like seeing what products other triumph racers are offering, but I understand people do not like to be bombarded with ads. If you have any questions you can ping me directly or visit the website at www.DashWare.net. Thanks, Mark From billb at bnj.com Tue Nov 30 23:23:24 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:23:24 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Racing Software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F855B12-A402-45B8-B7FF-ADA8DFFEF853@bnj.com> We're not commies Mark, a reasonable pitch for relevant product should be welcome. On Nov 30, 2010, at 7:02 PM, Mark Vaden wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > As many of you already know, as a side project for the past 3 years I have > been working on a piece of software with a colleague called DashWare. > DashWare allows you to analyze video and data together, as well as overlay > gauges on top of video. Until recently ChaseCam was our exclusive > distributor, and they handled all of our sales and marketing. Our software > always worked with a variety of data loggers and cameras, but most of our > sales were to ChaseCam customers. In an attempt to widen our appeal, in > addition to selling through ChaseCam, we are also selling DashWare > independantly of ChaseCam at www.DashWare.net. We are still working with > ChaseCam, and in fact their new DIVA system uses DashWare for all the > analysis. If you are in the market for a camera and logger I would > definitely recommend the DIVA. > > If you already have a camera and a logger, or are thinking of buying either, > check out DashWare. DashWare works with almost every data logger on the > market, as well as many cameras including ChaseCam, GoPro, ContourHD, > ContourGPS and others. One feature that we really like is our compatibility > with multiple loggers, as this increases the likelihood of comparing your > data to someone else's. There is more information and a free trial > available at www.DashWare.net. > > I know commercial posts are controversial on the FOT mailing list, but since > our product was built with racing in mind, I thought it was appropriate. I > myself like seeing what products other triumph racers are offering, but I > understand people do not like to be bombarded with ads. If you have any > questions you can ping me directly or visit the website at www.DashWare.net. > > Thanks, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Mon Nov 1 03:04:37 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 02:04:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Head torque 2 Message-ID: I forgot to mention a couple of things. Make sure that the fine threads on the studs are not distorted. Wire brush them clean and then inspect them under bright light against a white wall. The threads should not tilt upward, but should be nice and uniform. After 50 years of head gasket replacements the threads will eventually become distorted and will bent upwards. Any studs like this should be discarded. Another way to check them is to take two studs and fit the threads together. Hold them up to the white wall and there should be no light visible between the threads of the two studs. If the threads of one stud are distorted, light will be visible. Check the bottom of each nut. feel the inside of the hole. The threads should not be pulled downwards. When a nut is machined, there is always a little bevel on the inside of the hole leading into the first thread. As the nuts are torque again and again, the thread will pull downwards. If these threads are distorted, discard the nuts. Replacing the nuts with good Grade 8 "high nuts" is a good idea. A "high nut" is a nut that is about 1 1/4 times taller than a normal nut of the same size. Curtiss Industries makes good ones that are heat treated to have a tensil strength of 180,000 psi. Lawson Industries also distributes similar nuts. Of course all ARP hardware is top notch, but I do not like the look of 12 point head nuts on a Vintage race car, they just don't look right. I do not believe that ARP make a hex "high nut" Finally make sure that the nuts will spin on to the studs easily with your fingers before using them. Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From andre at gt6.ca Mon Nov 1 04:22:05 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 06:22:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] drivers suit opinions In-Reply-To: References: <0C2712E4-319A-43D8-8AE5-8099594BB5DD@bnj.com> Message-ID: 3 layer one piece OMP with undies. 1 safer due to a longer burn time and 2 despite the PITA factor for the undies I found they dried out faster then the race suit. IE you sweat a lot so its better to have a barrier between you and the suit. My last race in late Sept I left the undies on post race because it was rather cool that weekend. IMG_1072.JPG A. On 31 October 2010 22:53, Norlin Engineering wrote: > Agree on the one piece three layer. I started with the two piece with > undies - lots of bits and it all moves around. Went to a two layer one > piece with undies - much better, but the new three piece is much better - > and in my opinion actually cooler. I still carry the two piece with undies > in addition to the three piece for really long weekends. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Nov 1 09:33:59 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:33:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH TRAILER FOR SALE....delete if not interested Message-ID: <8CD47F156E3B094-141C-9E785@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Sean would like to have a different trailer that suits his purposes better. Enclosed with clamshell openings front and rear... aluminum frame two new 3500# axles with electric brakes. electric winch it occurs to me that i will be taking trailer to LA area, the week of the 8th of Nov, and could deliver there or on a return route. $1850 THANKS! Joe From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Nov 1 09:57:25 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Head torque 2 follow up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <791033240.537133.1288627045320.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Just as a follow up, if you use the head studs as picking points to hoist the motor into the car, the threads can be easily dinged enough to skew the torque values. I use the ARP's but not to hoist from, I keep a pair of original studs for that purpose. I caught an episode of Horsepower TV last week when they did a test on ARP bolts with different lubricants and it's amazing the wild swings in torque you can get with the different lubricants. They sold me, nothing but ARP lube with ARP bolts. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, November 1, 2010 3:04:37 AM Subject: [Fot] Head torque 2 I forgot to mention a couple of things. B Make sure that the fine threads on the studs are not distorted. Wire brush them clean and then inspect them under bright light against a white wall. The threads should not tilt upward, but should be nice and uniform. After 50 years of head gasket replacements the threads will eventually become distorted and will bent upwards. Any studs like this should be discarded. Another way to check them is to take two studs and fit the threads together. Hold them up to the white wall and there should be no light visible between the threads of the two studs. If the threads of one stud are distorted, light will be visible. Check the bottom of each nut. feel the inside of the hole. The threads should not be pulled downwards. When a nut is machined, there is always a little bevel on the inside of the hole leading into the first thread. As the nuts are torque again and again, the thread will pull downwards. If these threads are distorted, discard the nuts. Replacing the nuts with good Grade 8 "high nuts" is a good idea. A "high nut" is a nut that is about 1 1/4 times taller than a normal nut of the same size. Curtiss Industries makes good ones that are heat treated to have a tensil strength of 180,000 psi. B Lawson Industries also distributes similar nuts. B Of course all ARP hardware is top notch, but I do not like the look of 12 point head nuts on a Vintage race car, they just don't look right. I do not believe that ARP make a hex "high nut" B Finally make sure that the nuts will spin on to the studs easily with your fingers before using them. B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Nov 1 10:54:27 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:54:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] engine break-in In-Reply-To: <1CCE8B51FCC348C6B307A4FB3E29607C@your89d26e0447> References: <001801cb7741$02ae7b80$080b7280$@camoletti.ch> <1CCE8B51FCC348C6B307A4FB3E29607C@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: <4CCEF0C3.7090309@pobox.com> I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that Shell Rotella oil was still using the high zinc (SAE SJ rating) for some time after the automotive oils had switched to the new low zinc SM rating, but it now has the low zinc rating as well. Getting the exact current spec would be better, but lacking that just check the side of the container. Unfortunately, many specs found on the internet are outdated. I have been using straight 30 weight oil with an intermediate SL rating in my street Triumph and other old nonracing engines. -Larry On 10/30/2010 1:38 AM, Greg Solow wrote: > You may be able to contact Shell Oil technical services in > Europe..They could tell you the Zinc and Phosphorus content of the > Shell Rotella oils available in Europe. I would bet they are the same > as here. The "automotive Diesel" grade oils that are sold here, were > formulated for European Diesel engine cars to meet the car > manufacturer's specs. You are looking for over 1600 parts per million > of Zink and 1300 parts per million of Phosphorus. > > Greg Solow _______________________________________________ From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Nov 1 11:37:18 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 10:37:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] engine break-in In-Reply-To: <4CCEF0C3.7090309@pobox.com> References: <001801cb7741$02ae7b80$080b7280$@camoletti.ch> <1CCE8B51FCC348C6B307A4FB3E29607C@your89d26e0447> <4CCEF0C3.7090309@pobox.com> Message-ID: <04e501cb79eb$6ebb5f80$4c321e80$@rr.com> > I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that Shell Rotella oil > was still using the high zinc (SAE SJ rating) for some time after the > automotive oils had switched to the new low zinc SM rating, but it now > has the low zinc rating as well. They did reduce ZDDP content slightly a few years ago. The document I have indicates that the 'old' Rotella T CI-4 had 1400 ppm zinc, while the 'new' Rotella T CJ-4 has "only" 1210 ppm zinc. But that is still almost twice that allowed for SM oil. And FWIW, they claim to have other, extra additives that make up the difference. The same document claims the new oil now contains 35 ppm of Boron while the old one contained none. That may or may not actually mean anything of course, but I have seen boron-based additives mentioned in the search for a ZDDP replacement. -- Randall From bownes at seiri.com Mon Nov 1 11:46:34 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:46:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH TRAILER FOR SALE....delete if not interested In-Reply-To: <8CD47F156E3B094-141C-9E785@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD47F156E3B094-141C-9E785@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Which reminds me, I'm thinking of putting my 24' enclosed up for sale locally (Albany, NY) if anyone here would like first shot. 24' haulmark, 8'wide, work bench, 110v lighting, generator door/enclosure, rear door winches down (rather than sprung) using on board 110V electric winch, observation deck on the roof (needs new plywood decking). Bob On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:33 AM, wrote: > Sean would like to have a different trailer that suits his purposes > better. > > Enclosed with clamshell openings front and rear... > aluminum frame > two new 3500# axles with electric brakes. > electric winch > > it occurs to me that i will be taking trailer to LA area, the week of the > 8th > of Nov, and could deliver there or on a return route. > > $1850 > > THANKS! > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From riverside at southslope.net Mon Nov 1 12:53:46 2010 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:53:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] head torque Message-ID: <002601cb79f6$1e24e040$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Does a hot stud stretch more than a cold one at a given torque spec? If so, what are the implications if any? art de armond From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Nov 1 15:37:42 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 22:37:42 +0100 Subject: [Fot] head torque In-Reply-To: <002601cb79f6$1e24e040$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <002601cb79f6$1e24e040$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <000e01cb7a0d$08300780$18901680$@com> A long hot bolt expand from heat, more than a short one. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von riverside Gesendet: Montag, 1. November 2010 19:54 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] head torque Does a hot stud stretch more than a cold one at a given torque spec? If so, what are the implications if any? art de armond _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Nov 1 18:57:16 2010 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 20:57:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Tires Message-ID: What tires are folks running in Vintage on their Spitfires these days? Thanks, Marty From budscars at comcast.net Mon Nov 1 19:12:52 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 18:12:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Tires References: Message-ID: Hi Marty...It depends on the Sanctioning group..I use Dunlop Vintage Racing 135/545/13.....that's as wide as a Spitfire is allowed to use with CSRG...It's very period correct to 1967 rules...which we agree to adhere to. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 5:57 PM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Tires > What tires are folks running in Vintage on their Spitfires these days? > > Thanks, > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From bluebit at comcast.net Mon Nov 1 19:34:09 2010 From: bluebit at comcast.net (Jim%20Roelofs) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 01:34:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Check out my photos on Facebook In-Reply-To: <8bb78e0a42c860b20990ff8c7367caab@www.facebook.com> Message-ID: <636525842.339784.1288661649314.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I am sorry and do not know how this invitation was sent. Please disregard. Jim Roelofs 303-862-9371 (h) 303-629-3545 (w) bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred) ----- Original Message ----- From: "James E Roelofs" To: "Friends Of Triumph" Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 8:45:36 PM Subject: [Fot] Check out my photos on Facebook Hi Friends, I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. Thanks, James To sign up for Facebook, follow the link below: http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=100000090934512&k=Z6E3Y5WRUW4CZCFJPB63QUVZR3B 1X33NUWHYFD3BQT&r Already have an account? Add this email address to your account: http://www.facebook.com/n/?merge_accounts.php&e=fot%40autox.team.net&c=e1d8b2 c84ed5c4bb2237931fde46d39f ======================================= fot at autox.team.net was invited to join Facebook by James E Roelofs. If you do not wish to receive this type of email from Facebook in the future, please follow the link below to unsubscribe. http://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=74f522&u=100001791913713&mid=33826fdG5af37b48 aef1G0G8 Facebook, Inc. P.O. Box 10005, Palo Alto, CA 94303 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bluebit at comcast.net From ac at camoletti.ch Tue Nov 2 05:31:09 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 12:31:09 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Shell Rotella Message-ID: <001e01cb7a81$72909940$57b1cbc0$@camoletti.ch> Gentlemen, Following the informative exchange about running in oils, I still wonder what Rotella (there are several variations) you use for initial run in ? We European based folks will have to buy from the US as the Rotella family of oils is available only in North America and Thailand. In Europe Shell have the Rimula family for heavy duty (buses, lorries, etc), but it will not be up to the job, see below: I discussed this morning with an engineer of Shell in Switzerland. The Rimula lorries oils are totally different from the Rotella family, as diesel engine design in Europe and US is quite different and the oils are based on the engines used locally. Shell even have specific oils for Switzerland (tiny country with barely 7 million inhabitants) ! The engineer explained that the Shell oils here for passenger cars have low formulations of Zinc and Phosphorus (well below 1000/million). He searched his analysis database and came with a RIMULA "universal" oil (both for trains, cars, lorries, etc, heavy and light duty use) in 10W40-or 15W40 with content of 1200/million Zinc ad 1000/million Phosphorus. It is the RIMULA R3-U+ 10W40 or 15W40. As it seems a bit low in Zinc and Phosphorus (Greg Solow advised 1600 and 1300 respectively), I will buy Rotella in the US. So what Rotella do you use for engine start up? Thank you ! Cheers Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : Alexandre Camoletti [mailto:ac at camoletti.ch] Envoyi : lundi 1 novembre 2010 09:47 @ : 'Greg Solow' Objet : RE: [Fot] engine break-in Thank you Greg! Inf act what type of Rotella should be used for initial engine start up, just searched a little bit and found it is a family of oils with many different ones? And apparently Rotella is not available in Europe, only in North America and Thailand according to shell.com Here for lorries Shell proposes various grades/qualities of RIMULA. I will ask them the phosphorus and zinc content. Thank you again ! Cheers Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : Greg Solow [mailto:gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com] Envoyi : samedi 30 octobre 2010 08:39 @ : Alexandre Camoletti; Friends of Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] engine break-in You may be able to contact Shell Oil technical services in Europe..They could tell you the Zinc and Phosphorus content of the Shell Rotella oils available in Europe. I would bet they are the same as here. The "automotive Diesel" grade oils that are sold here, were formulated for European Diesel engine cars to meet the car manufacturer's specs. You are looking for over 1600 parts per million of Zink and 1300 parts per million of Phosphorus. Greg Solow From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Nov 2 06:20:18 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 13:20:18 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Shell Rotella In-Reply-To: <001e01cb7a81$72909940$57b1cbc0$@camoletti.ch> References: <001e01cb7a81$72909940$57b1cbc0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <000601cb7a88$514af940$f3e0ebc0$@com> I never bothered much with special oils. I fill in my racing oil and treat the engine badly from the beginning on. 10W60 or 5W50 oil from the big brands and here we go. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Alexandre Camoletti Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. November 2010 12:31 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Shell Rotella Gentlemen, Following the informative exchange about running in oils, I still wonder what Rotella (there are several variations) you use for initial run in ? We European based folks will have to buy from the US as the Rotella family of oils is available only in North America and Thailand. In Europe Shell have the Rimula family for heavy duty (buses, lorries, etc), but it will not be up to the job, see below: I discussed this morning with an engineer of Shell in Switzerland. The Rimula lorries oils are totally different from the Rotella family, as diesel engine design in Europe and US is quite different and the oils are based on the engines used locally. Shell even have specific oils for Switzerland (tiny country with barely 7 million inhabitants) ! The engineer explained that the Shell oils here for passenger cars have low formulations of Zinc and Phosphorus (well below 1000/million). He searched his analysis database and came with a RIMULA "universal" oil (both for trains, cars, lorries, etc, heavy and light duty use) in 10W40-or 15W40 with content of 1200/million Zinc ad 1000/million Phosphorus. It is the RIMULA R3-U+ 10W40 or 15W40. As it seems a bit low in Zinc and Phosphorus (Greg Solow advised 1600 and 1300 respectively), I will buy Rotella in the US. So what Rotella do you use for engine start up? Thank you ! Cheers Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : Alexandre Camoletti [mailto:ac at camoletti.ch] Envoyi : lundi 1 novembre 2010 09:47 @ : 'Greg Solow' Objet : RE: [Fot] engine break-in Thank you Greg! Inf act what type of Rotella should be used for initial engine start up, just searched a little bit and found it is a family of oils with many different ones? And apparently Rotella is not available in Europe, only in North America and Thailand according to shell.com Here for lorries Shell proposes various grades/qualities of RIMULA. I will ask them the phosphorus and zinc content. Thank you again ! Cheers Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : Greg Solow [mailto:gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com] Envoyi : samedi 30 octobre 2010 08:39 @ : Alexandre Camoletti; Friends of Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] engine break-in You may be able to contact Shell Oil technical services in Europe..They could tell you the Zinc and Phosphorus content of the Shell Rotella oils available in Europe. I would bet they are the same as here. The "automotive Diesel" grade oils that are sold here, were formulated for European Diesel engine cars to meet the car manufacturer's specs. You are looking for over 1600 parts per million of Zink and 1300 parts per million of Phosphorus. Greg Solow _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Nov 2 08:50:44 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:50:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] engine break-in In-Reply-To: <20101029062931.9E217187669@autox.team.net> References: <20101028.191124.14831.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> <7.1.0.9.0.20101029011527.049f4e90@tonydrews.com> <20101029062931.9E217187669@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4CD02544.1090705@pobox.com> Another reason for the 20 minutes at 2000 to 2500 RPM is that it reduces the stress on the cam. The highest stress point is on the nose of the cam due to the high spring force and small radius of curvature. When running the inertial forces will act counter to the spring force and reduce the stress at the nose of the cam. Another way to reduce the stress is to run only the outer springs during breakin. I have never done this, but it sounds like a good idea and it can't hurt. Installing the inner springs is not difficult with the correct tool. Larry On 10/29/2010 1:30 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > Oops - too long, forgot to . > > The 20 to 25 minutes at 2000 to 2500 (with high zddp oil) is key to > the cam and lifters. I do that with every rebuild in the garage. > That's usually a great time to have a beer to celebrate and to let me > neighbors know that I still have the race car. > > - Tony Drews From ac at camoletti.ch Tue Nov 2 09:53:01 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:53:01 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tr3 Cylinder pressures Message-ID: <002201cb7aa6$07ca9d70$175fd850$@camoletti.ch> Gentlemen, How can I calculate the cylinder pressures in a TR3A head, with 87 mm Mahle flat pistons and 10:1 compression ratio ? Stroke is standard. If it is possible at all, as it may depend on inlet flow capabilities I suppose. Engine will run extensively flowed SU 1 3/4 H6 as well as also much flown inlet manifold (base is the stock item, but no increase in tube ID, just radiusing everything corner) and larger (1.634'') and modern shape inlet valves. If this info is of use for the question. Thank you ! Cheers! Alex From ac at camoletti.ch Tue Nov 2 10:13:03 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:13:03 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <002201cb7aa6$07ca9d70$175fd850$@camoletti.ch> References: <002201cb7aa6$07ca9d70$175fd850$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <004001cb7aa8$d44f91f0$7ceeb5d0$@camoletti.ch> But the cam specs and "intensity" certainly has an influence as well on pressures. Engine is not built yet and the info is needed by Jeff Schlemmer (www.advanceddistributors.com) to recalibrate original distributor accordingly. He can live without but the recurving would be better suited with some idea of the cylinder pressures. Cam is a Piper 3TR specs by TR Enterprises (a think it is a special grind for them) with 3000; 40/80-80/40, lift .452-.450''but as Simon Watson told me, cam is not so extreme it may look from the numbers, so it is relatively tractable mid range, if this info may help on the subject. Or did Simon have the opportunity to measure cylinder pressures with this cam installed and a CR of approx. 10:1 ? -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Alexandre Camoletti Envoyi : mardi 2 novembre 2010 16:53 @ : fot at autox.team.net Objet : [Fot] Tr3 Cylinder pressures Gentlemen, How can I calculate the cylinder pressures in a TR3A head, with 87 mm Mahle flat pistons and 10:1 compression ratio ? Stroke is standard. If it is possible at all, as it may depend on inlet flow capabilities I suppose. Engine will run extensively flowed SU 1 3/4 H6 as well as also much flown inlet manifold (base is the stock item, but no increase in tube ID, just radiusing everything corner) and larger (1.634'') and modern shape inlet valves. If this info is of use for the question. Thank you ! Cheers! Alex _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Nov 2 10:46:15 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:46:15 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <004001cb7aa8$d44f91f0$7ceeb5d0$@camoletti.ch> References: <002201cb7aa6$07ca9d70$175fd850$@camoletti.ch> <004001cb7aa8$d44f91f0$7ceeb5d0$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> I'm not sure what you are looking for but with a similar cam and 10:1 I had 13,5 bar compression, with 11:1 it is 14,5. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Alexandre Camoletti Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. November 2010 17:13 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tr3 Cylinder pressures But the cam specs and "intensity" certainly has an influence as well on pressures. Engine is not built yet and the info is needed by Jeff Schlemmer (www.advanceddistributors.com) to recalibrate original distributor accordingly. He can live without but the recurving would be better suited with some idea of the cylinder pressures. Cam is a Piper 3TR specs by TR Enterprises (a think it is a special grind for them) with 3000; 40/80-80/40, lift .452-.450''but as Simon Watson told me, cam is not so extreme it may look from the numbers, so it is relatively tractable mid range, if this info may help on the subject. Or did Simon have the opportunity to measure cylinder pressures with this cam installed and a CR of approx. 10:1 ? -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Alexandre Camoletti Envoyi : mardi 2 novembre 2010 16:53 @ : fot at autox.team.net Objet : [Fot] Tr3 Cylinder pressures Gentlemen, How can I calculate the cylinder pressures in a TR3A head, with 87 mm Mahle flat pistons and 10:1 compression ratio ? Stroke is standard. If it is possible at all, as it may depend on inlet flow capabilities I suppose. Engine will run extensively flowed SU 1 3/4 H6 as well as also much flown inlet manifold (base is the stock item, but no increase in tube ID, just radiusing everything corner) and larger (1.634'') and modern shape inlet valves. If this info is of use for the question. Thank you ! Cheers! Alex _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Nov 2 11:10:37 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 10:10:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> Message-ID: <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> Pretty sure that what he's looking for is brake mean effective pressure (BMEP) which is rarely measured--it's a calculated value. Alexandre, I don't know what your tuner is up to, but you really can't get there from here. To calculate BMEP you need to measure torque and cylinder volume, then do the math. For what it's worth, these engines are nowhere near theoretical limits so the bmep would likely be 7 to 8.5 bar. No idea what he'll do with that. Begin forwarded message: > From: "MadMarx" > Date: November 2, 2010 9:46:15 AM PDT > To: "'Alexandre Camoletti'" , > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr3 Cylinder pressures > > I'm not sure what you are looking for but with a similar cam and 10:1 I had > 13,5 bar compression, with 11:1 it is 14,5. > > Cheers > Chris From harmug at us.ibm.com Tue Nov 2 11:36:08 2010 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 13:36:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] What tires are folks running in Vintage on their Spitfires these days? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Marty, I run the Hoosier Street TDs. I bought a set for the Limerock Fall race and the distributor told me that they were one of the last old sets available. Hoosier has a new compound for them and a friend was using the new compound at Limerock. He said they didn't come up to temperature as quickly as the old compound. He spun the car a few times, which is something I rarely see him do, but he was happy with them once they got up to temp. mike From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Nov 2 11:49:42 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 10:49:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> Message-ID: <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> > For what it's worth, these engines are > nowhere near > theoretical limits so the bmep would likely be 7 to 8.5 bar. OTOH, the TR2 workshop manual has a curve that shows approx 9.8 bar around peak torque (3000-3500 rpm). -- Randall From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Nov 2 12:56:13 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:56:13 EDT Subject: [Fot] Paging Ostronski (sp?) Message-ID: I can find your email address. Some news about John Weinberger. Thanks, Joe From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Nov 2 15:13:24 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:13:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve guide shape Message-ID: <20101102211343.28142187644@autox.team.net> FoT I'm looking for opinions on how to treat the valve guides as they are in the intake and exhaust runners. I've seen bullet shaped guides and heard of guides shaved flush with port wall. Input is appreciated as always, Jim G From billb at bnj.com Tue Nov 2 15:26:56 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:26:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4D40823E-645F-4760-B657-7EC8FBC2A767@bnj.com> Hmm, that works out to 262 HP for a 2 liter engine at 6000 RPM. Of course I don't know what RPM that BMEP is at. But I'd like to have that motor in Peyote. On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Randall wrote: >> For what it's worth, these engines are >> nowhere near >> theoretical limits so the bmep would likely be 7 to 8.5 bar. > > OTOH, the TR2 workshop manual has a curve that shows approx 9.8 bar around > peak torque (3000-3500 rpm). > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From billbab at me.com Tue Nov 2 15:32:24 2010 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 14:32:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <4D40823E-645F-4760-B657-7EC8FBC2A767@bnj.com> References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> <4D40823E-645F-4760-B657-7EC8FBC2A767@bnj.com> Message-ID: Oops, didn't notice the 300-3500. Assuming 350 and a 2 liter motor thats 153 horsepower. I'll take it. On Nov 2, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Hmm, that works out to 262 HP for a 2 liter engine at 6000 RPM. Of course I don't know what RPM that BMEP is at. But I'd like to have that motor in Peyote. > > > On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Randall wrote: > >>> For what it's worth, these engines are >>> nowhere near >>> theoretical limits so the bmep would likely be 7 to 8.5 bar. >> >> OTOH, the TR2 workshop manual has a curve that shows approx 9.8 bar around >> peak torque (3000-3500 rpm). >> >> -- Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From kaskas at cox.net Tue Nov 2 16:10:15 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:10:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve guide shape In-Reply-To: <20101102211343.28142187644@autox.team.net> References: <20101102211343.28142187644@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1C8713562C0D450DBA7BC8390AAF27CA@KasPC> I've tried every manner possible and after running then in the dyno I think that grinding the thing flush gave the best results. BUT, very difficult to really see any power difference. I have been lead down the garden path so many times with flow bench numbers I don't believe any of them now. Experience will cover the testing. If you do a head job a couple times a year then I think that is the way. You do remove part of the support for the valve so if you do not pay attention to valve gear and replace stuff in a reasonable time fashion then, I recommend making the top of the guide into a cone and then put them in after the porting job. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Gray" Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 2:13 PM To: "Friends of triumph" Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve guide shape > FoT > > I'm looking for opinions on how to treat the valve guides as > > they are in the intake and exhaust runners. > > I've seen bullet shaped guides and heard of guides shaved flush with > > port wall. > > Input is appreciated as always, > > > > Jim G > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Nov 2 16:24:36 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:24:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> <4D40823E-645F-4760-B657-7EC8FBC2A767@bnj.com> Message-ID: <062401cb7adc$bc3254c0$3496fe40$@rr.com> > Oops, didn't notice the 300-3500. Assuming 350 and a 2 liter motor > thats 153 horsepower. I'll take it. Check again, I think you used the conversion for a 2-cycle engine. Divide by 2 for a 4-stroke. -- Randall From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Tue Nov 2 16:43:43 2010 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 18:43:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Special Appearance of the Grill BAdge at Summit Point Turkey Bowl Message-ID: <9ACAF652-8D74-4881-BEAB-1CDD434BCA8D@aol.com> Amici, If there is enough interest there will be an appearance of the first FOT Grill Badge. So, Who is going? I will not be there, but a fellow FOT-er will be with the badge. Chris From billb at bnj.com Tue Nov 2 16:58:50 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:58:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <062401cb7adc$bc3254c0$3496fe40$@rr.com> References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> <4D40823E-645F-4760-B657-7EC8FBC2A767@bnj.com> <062401cb7adc$bc3254c0$3496fe40$@rr.com> Message-ID: <7AA82A5A-B0BE-4487-915D-84DE234D8623@bnj.com> Oops again. Yeah, I used 6500 instead of 13000. On Nov 2, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Randall wrote: >> Oops, didn't notice the 300-3500. Assuming 350 and a 2 liter motor >> thats 153 horsepower. I'll take it. > > Check again, I think you used the conversion for a 2-cycle engine. Divide > by 2 for a 4-stroke. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Nov 2 17:11:24 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:11:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <7AA82A5A-B0BE-4487-915D-84DE234D8623@bnj.com> References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> <4D40823E-645F-4760-B657-7EC8FBC2A767@bnj.com> <062401cb7adc$bc3254c0$3496fe40$@rr.com> <7AA82A5A-B0BE-4487-915D-84DE234D8623@bnj.com> Message-ID: <063001cb7ae3$48ec1f30$dac45d90$@rr.com> > Oops again. Yeah, I used 6500 instead of 13000. Anyway, my point was not to argue about the numbers, only that BMEP varies with rpm and drops off significantly at higher rpms, due to restriction in the intake and exhaust. Your 7 to 8.5 bar (roughly 100 to 120 psi) is probably reasonable at the revs these engines see on the race track, since folks are presumably pushing the upper limits of breathing. None of which, unfortunately, gets Alexandre what he wants, which is presumably BMEP across the rev range he is planning to run at, for the purposes of guessing at optimum timing. With head porting and camshaft design being the black arts they are, I suspect the only good way to answer the question is to run the motor on a dyno and measure it. Of course, getting best power implies finding the best timing first, so might as well keep that rather than going through the BMEP calculation. Anyway, that's my theory -- Randall From billb at bnj.com Tue Nov 2 18:07:20 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:07:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tr3 Cylinder pressures In-Reply-To: <063001cb7ae3$48ec1f30$dac45d90$@rr.com> References: <001801cb7aad$787fbf80$697f3e80$@com> <1F46E719-08F5-4B0D-A381-1677BC986270@bnj.com> <05e201cb7ab6$550182b0$ff048810$@rr.com> <4D40823E-645F-4760-B657-7EC8FBC2A767@bnj.com> <062401cb7adc$bc3254c0$3496fe40$@rr.com> <7AA82A5A-B0BE-4487-915D-84DE234D8623@bnj.com> <063001cb7ae3$48ec1f30$dac45d90$@rr.com> Message-ID: And my point exactly. On Nov 2, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Randall wrote: >> Oops again. Yeah, I used 6500 instead of 13000. > > Anyway, my point was not to argue about the numbers, only that BMEP varies > with rpm and drops off significantly at higher rpms, due to restriction in > the intake and exhaust. Your 7 to 8.5 bar (roughly 100 to 120 psi) is > probably reasonable at the revs these engines see on the race track, since > folks are presumably pushing the upper limits of breathing. > > None of which, unfortunately, gets Alexandre what he wants, which is > presumably BMEP across the rev range he is planning to run at, for the > purposes of guessing at optimum timing. With head porting and camshaft > design being the black arts they are, I suspect the only good way to answer > the question is to run the motor on a dyno and measure it. Of course, > getting best power implies finding the best timing first, so might as well > keep that rather than going through the BMEP calculation. > > Anyway, that's my theory > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 3 08:39:36 2010 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 10:39:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Special Appearance of the Grill BAdge at Summit Point Turkey Bowl In-Reply-To: <9ACAF652-8D74-4881-BEAB-1CDD434BCA8D@aol.com> References: <9ACAF652-8D74-4881-BEAB-1CDD434BCA8D@aol.com> Message-ID: > If there is enough interest there will be an appearance of the > first FOT Grill Badge. > > So, Who is going? > > I will not be there, but a fellow FOT-er will be with the badge. > > > Chris I will be there as a spectator. I did not order a badge. John H. From ac at camoletti.ch Wed Nov 3 08:47:12 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 15:47:12 +0100 Subject: [Fot] engine break-in In-Reply-To: <04e501cb79eb$6ebb5f80$4c321e80$@rr.com> References: <001801cb7741$02ae7b80$080b7280$@camoletti.ch> <1CCE8B51FCC348C6B307A4FB3E29607C@your89d26e0447> <4CCEF0C3.7090309@pobox.com> <04e501cb79eb$6ebb5f80$4c321e80$@rr.com> Message-ID: <001401cb7b66$04ad54a0$0e07fde0$@camoletti.ch> Upon checking additives, I got the info from their tech that 1 bottle of Crane break in concentrate ($8.95 for 8 oz, Ref 99003-1) will increase the ZDDP in 5 quarts of oil by 400 parts per million. Seems the way to go to make sure we have enough ZDDP in our oils -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Randall Envoyi : lundi 1 novembre 2010 18:37 Cc : 'FOT' Objet : Re: [Fot] engine break-in > I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that Shell Rotella oil > was still using the high zinc (SAE SJ rating) for some time after the > automotive oils had switched to the new low zinc SM rating, but it now > has the low zinc rating as well. They did reduce ZDDP content slightly a few years ago. The document I have indicates that the 'old' Rotella T CI-4 had 1400 ppm zinc, while the 'new' Rotella T CJ-4 has "only" 1210 ppm zinc. But that is still almost twice that allowed for SM oil. And FWIW, they claim to have other, extra additives that make up the difference. The same document claims the new oil now contains 35 ppm of Boron while the old one contained none. That may or may not actually mean anything of course, but I have seen boron-based additives mentioned in the search for a ZDDP replacement. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From rikrock at live.com Wed Nov 3 09:18:44 2010 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 11:18:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Special Appearance of the Grill BAdge at Summit Point Turkey Bowl In-Reply-To: References: <9ACAF652-8D74-4881-BEAB-1CDD434BCA8D@aol.com>, Message-ID: I'll be there with my TR-6-powered TVR. I haven't ordered a badge, but I would like to see one. Rich Rock From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Nov 3 12:27:57 2010 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 14:27:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Grill badge Message-ID: Amici The order is placed! The check is sent. If you haven't paid got one yet, you have till Monday. That is when the manufacturing begins. Last chance. From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Nov 3 20:34:01 2010 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 22:34:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Phone Contacts Message-ID: My cell phone took a dump last night and all my contacts went south. I had collected cell numbers from a bunch of my Triumph friends and would like to get them back. If you had given me your cell number in the past would you mind shooting me an email at trmarty at hotmail.com with your number so I can put it back in my contacts? Oh, buy the way.....BACK UP YOUR CONTACTS! Thanks, Marty Sukey From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Nov 4 13:36:28 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 15:36:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 Message-ID: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> Friends of Triumph John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: Venue Laguna Seca Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 Sanctioning Body HMSA Planning: Dialogue is proceeding with HMSA regarding the details of the Kastner Cup There will be a meeting in Los Angeles the week of the 15th of November There may be further discussion at the VMC annual meeting in KC I had a conversation with VTR today and we will be discussing their involvement. We will be expecting some sponsorships....there are a couple of obvious ones. Mark your calendars. There are several making a family vacation out of this event. (We are going to try to bring two cars, if the winter goes well) By the first of December we should be able to provide another round of information, but it was important to get this news out ASAP. The goal will be in excess of 50 entries. It IS acheivable. Joe Alexander From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Nov 4 14:27:44 2010 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 15:27:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 In-Reply-To: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> References: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> Message-ID: So that is Mon, Tues, Wed. If I left Friday afternoon I could get there for Mondays races, and have a lazy schedule home. I could make this a one week vacation, which I can't do with the typical weekend event. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the keys to your success. ~Mac Anderson -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 Friends of Triumph John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: Venue Laguna Seca Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 Sanctioning Body HMSA Planning: Dialogue is proceeding with HMSA regarding the details of the Kastner Cup There will be a meeting in Los Angeles the week of the 15th of November There may be further discussion at the VMC annual meeting in KC I had a conversation with VTR today and we will be discussing their involvement. We will be expecting some sponsorships....there are a couple of obvious ones. Mark your calendars. There are several making a family vacation out of this event. (We are going to try to bring two cars, if the winter goes well) By the first of December we should be able to provide another round of information, but it was important to get this news out ASAP. The goal will be in excess of 50 entries. It IS acheivable. Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Nov 4 14:39:49 2010 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 20:39:49 +0000 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 Message-ID: <1719009819-1288903191-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2145323834-@bda2226.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> What a great and historic track. So very appropriate. Congrats to John and those who made this a reality! M ------Original Message------ From: Joe Alexander Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 Sent: Nov 4, 2010 12:36 PM Friends of Triumph John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: Venue Laguna Seca Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 Sanctioning Body HMSA Planning: Dialogue is proceeding with HMSA regarding the details of the Kastner Cup There will be a meeting in Los Angeles the week of the 15th of November There may be further discussion at the VMC annual meeting in KC I had a conversation with VTR today and we will be discussing their involvement. We will be expecting some sponsorships....there are a couple of obvious ones. Mark your calendars. There are several making a family vacation out of this event. (We are going to try to bring two cars, if the winter goes well) By the first of December we should be able to provide another round of information, but it was important to get this news out ASAP. The goal will be in excess of 50 entries. It IS acheivable. Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From billb at bnj.com Thu Nov 4 15:30:25 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 14:30:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 In-Reply-To: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> References: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> Message-ID: <4D1A05D2-7100-48E3-BB82-3AEC65F7ACCB@bnj.com> Are those dates correct? The 6th of june is a Monday. On Nov 4, 2010, at 12:36 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Friends of Triumph > > John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: > > Venue Laguna Seca > Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 > Sanctioning Body HMSA > > Planning: > > Dialogue is proceeding with HMSA regarding the details of the Kastner Cup > There will be a meeting in Los Angeles the week of the 15th of November > There may be further discussion at the VMC annual meeting in KC > I had a conversation with VTR today and we will be discussing their > involvement. > We will be expecting some sponsorships....there are a couple of obvious > ones. > > Mark your calendars. There are several making a family vacation out of > this event. (We are going to try to bring two cars, if the winter goes well) > > By the first of December we should be able to provide another round of > information, but it was important to get this news out ASAP. > > The goal will be in excess of 50 entries. It IS acheivable. > > Joe Alexander From kaskas at cox.net Thu Nov 4 15:55:56 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 14:55:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 In-Reply-To: <4D1A05D2-7100-48E3-BB82-3AEC65F7ACCB@bnj.com> References: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> <4D1A05D2-7100-48E3-BB82-3AEC65F7ACCB@bnj.com> Message-ID: It has to be 3,4,& 5th or 4, 5, & 6th for 2011. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Babcock" Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:30 PM To: Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 > Are those dates correct? The 6th of june is a Monday. > > On Nov 4, 2010, at 12:36 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > >> Friends of Triumph >> >> John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: >> >> Venue Laguna Seca >> Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 >> Sanctioning Body HMSA >> >> Planning: >> >> Dialogue is proceeding with HMSA regarding the details of the Kastner Cup >> There will be a meeting in Los Angeles the week of the 15th of November >> There may be further discussion at the VMC annual meeting in KC >> I had a conversation with VTR today and we will be discussing their >> involvement. >> We will be expecting some sponsorships....there are a couple of obvious >> ones. >> >> Mark your calendars. There are several making a family vacation out of >> this event. (We are going to try to bring two cars, if the winter goes > well) >> >> By the first of December we should be able to provide another round of >> information, but it was important to get this news out ASAP. >> >> The goal will be in excess of 50 entries. It IS acheivable. >> >> Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 16:00:15 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 15:00:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 In-Reply-To: <4D1A05D2-7100-48E3-BB82-3AEC65F7ACCB@bnj.com> References: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> <4D1A05D2-7100-48E3-BB82-3AEC65F7ACCB@bnj.com> Message-ID: This is a midweek event. That's why its non-restricted for sound and we can get such a great month. On Nov 4, 2010 2:52 PM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: > Are those dates correct? The 6th of june is a Monday. > > On Nov 4, 2010, at 12:36 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > >> Friends of Triumph >> >> John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: >> >> Venue Laguna Seca >> Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 >> Sanctioning Body HMSA >> >> Planning: >> >> Dialogue is proceeding with HMSA regarding the details of the Kastner Cup >> There will be a meeting in Los Angeles the week of the 15th of November >> There may be further discussion at the VMC annual meeting in KC >> I had a conversation with VTR today and we will be discussing their >> involvement. >> We will be expecting some sponsorships....there are a couple of obvious >> ones. >> >> Mark your calendars. There are several making a family vacation out of >> this event. (We are going to try to bring two cars, if the winter goes > well) >> >> By the first of December we should be able to provide another round of >> information, but it was important to get this news out ASAP. >> >> The goal will be in excess of 50 entries. It IS acheivable. >> >> Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Nov 4 16:05:22 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 18:05:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> Message-ID: <8CD4A8382A0DCA4-168-3B4D@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Bob, for the reply...we should figure for Monday arrival. Unclear about track time on Monday. Track time on Monday is under discussion.....we have a short lead time on planning and negotiations but sooner or later everything is negotiable. Usually, the best negotiations are a win/win in both the short term and more importantly, the long term. This event will be as good as we make it.... It has the promise of being one of the best of the Kastner Cup Series, to date. Joe Alexander -----Original Message----- From: Kramer, Robert To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Nov 4, 2010 3:27 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 So that is Mon, Tues, Wed. If I left Friday afternoon I could get there for Mondays races, and have a lazy schedule home. I could make this a one week vacation, which I can't do with the typical weekend event. Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the keys to your success. ~Mac Anderson -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 Friends of Triumph John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: Venue Laguna Seca Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 Sanctioning Body HMSA Planning: Dialogue is proceeding with HMSA regarding the details of the Kastner Cup There will be a meeting in Los Angeles the week of the 15th of November There may be further discussion at the VMC annual meeting in KC I had a conversation with VTR today and we will be discussing their involvement. We will be expecting some sponsorships....there are a couple of obvious ones. Mark your calendars. There are several making a family vacation out of this event. (We are going to try to bring two cars, if the winter goes well) By the first of December we should be able to provide another round of information, but it was important to get this news out ASAP. The goal will be in excess of 50 entries. It IS acheivable. Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Thu Nov 4 20:50:46 2010 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 12:50:46 +1000 Subject: [Fot] chasing TR lower shock mount plate Message-ID: can anyone sell me 1 front lower shocky to pan mounting plate, new or used. same as TR4 I think thanks, terry o'beirne, australia From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Nov 5 00:02:24 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 01:02:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com> <4D1A05D2-7100-48E3-BB82-3AEC65F7ACCB@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20101105060153.D08E118764E@autox.team.net> I LOVE that timing - turns it from a "take two weeks off" to "take a week and a couple of days off". - Tony Drews At 05:00 PM 11/4/2010, John Nikas wrote: >This is a midweek event. That's why its non-restricted for sound and we can >get such a great month. >On Nov 4, 2010 2:52 PM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: > > Are those dates correct? The 6th of june is a Monday. > > > > On Nov 4, 2010, at 12:36 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > >> Friends of Triumph > >> > >> John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: > >> > >> Venue Laguna Seca > >> Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 > >> Sanctioning Body HMSA > >> > >> Planning: From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Nov 5 07:17:46 2010 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 09:17:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Grill Badge Update 11-5-2010 Message-ID: Amici The check has been sent and the order placed. 95 badges were wanted. I ordered a few extras just in case. I was told that in 4 weeks they should be done. That means around December 3 or so. Even if they are a week late everyone should have them by Christmas. Any questions please ask From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Nov 5 07:39:22 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:39:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Website is open for business Message-ID: <8CD4B05FD6DEE7D-11C8-B524@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I noticed that Kas is taking pre-orders for his latest book. KAS' TRIUMPHS I suspect that he would be pleased to get orders from the FOT and would likely personalize them. He will have the books by the week of the 15th of November, so you might give him a head start on doing labels. Joe A From gt6steve at aol.com Fri Nov 5 07:58:18 2010 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:58:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Grill Badge Update 11-5-2010 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD4B08A237CD79-16E0-CA05@webmail-m061.sysops.aol.com> Thanx for all this effort on our behalf.... -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: FoTTriumph Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:17 am Subject: [Fot] Grill Badge Update 11-5-2010 Amici The check has been sent and the order placed. 95 badges were wanted. I ordered few extras just in case. I was told that in 4 weeks they should be done. That means around December 3 r so. Even if they are a week late everyone should have them by Christmas. Any questions please ask ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From andre at gt6.ca Fri Nov 5 08:08:20 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:08:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Website is open for business In-Reply-To: <8CD4B05FD6DEE7D-11C8-B524@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD4B05FD6DEE7D-11C8-B524@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Ordering now. Nice xmas gift from the wife to me. ;) A. On 5 November 2010 09:39, wrote: > FOT, > > I noticed that Kas is taking pre-orders for his latest book. KAS' TRIUMPHS > > I suspect that he would be pleased to get orders from the FOT and would likely > personalize them. > > He will have the books by the week of the 15th of November, so you might give > him a head start on doing labels. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Nov 5 08:42:51 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 10:42:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Website is open for business In-Reply-To: <13ce3a.15fbcb39.3a05678a@aol.com> References: <13ce3a.15fbcb39.3a05678a@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD4B0EDB8D1312-610-A29A@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> kaskastner.com is Kas' website. Lot's of information in there, too. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: REK46 at aol.com To: n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 8:58 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas' Website is open for business whats his website? In a message dated 11/5/2010 9:55:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: FOT, I noticed that Kas is taking pre-orders for his latest book. KAS' TRIUMPHS I suspect that he would be pleased to get orders from the FOT and would likely personalize them. He will have the books by the week of the 15th of November, so you might give him a head start on doing labels. Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Nov 5 08:55:03 2010 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:55:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit 1500 competition prep manual Message-ID: <4282BB61-ABCE-433A-8FE3-C3E04DC3231F@aol.com> Amici I currently have a first revision of the manual. My questions are, how many revisions are there and what is the difference between them? Also is there one out there that has all the information from all the revisions in one? From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Fri Nov 5 08:55:26 2010 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 14:55:26 +0000 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 In-Reply-To: <20101105060153.D08E118764E@autox.team.net> References: <8bdc5.740e0ed3.3a04653c@cs.com><4D1A05D2-7100-48E3-BB82-3AEC65F7ACCB@bnj.com><20101105060153.D08E118764E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I think someone I know is another year older on day 1 of the race. Oh wait, that is me! I would usually have something negative to say about my annual aging day, but this one will be a lot of fun! Ty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 01:02:24 To: Subject: Re: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP SERIES #9 AT LEGUNA SECA 2011 I LOVE that timing - turns it from a "take two weeks off" to "take a week and a couple of days off". - Tony Drews At 05:00 PM 11/4/2010, John Nikas wrote: >This is a midweek event. That's why its non-restricted for sound and we can >get such a great month. >On Nov 4, 2010 2:52 PM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: > > Are those dates correct? The 6th of june is a Monday. > > > > On Nov 4, 2010, at 12:36 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > >> Friends of Triumph > >> > >> John Nikas says it is official and asked to make an announcement: > >> > >> Venue Laguna Seca > >> Dates 6-7-8 June 2011 > >> Sanctioning Body HMSA > >> > >> Planning: _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Nov 5 08:59:53 2010 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:59:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Website is open for business In-Reply-To: <8CD4B05FD6DEE7D-11C8-B524@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD4B05FD6DEE7D-11C8-B524@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9350C7BB-E135-4131-A3AE-9E17D826A78D@aol.com> I want to get this. How does one go about asking for a signed one from the man himself? This would help in my 1500 spit racer I am slowly building Chris On Nov 5, 2010, at 9:39 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT, > > I noticed that Kas is taking pre-orders for his latest book. KAS' TRIUMPHS > > I suspect that he would be pleased to get orders from the FOT and would likely > personalize them. > > He will have the books by the week of the 15th of November, so you might give > him a head start on doing labels. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Nov 5 10:07:08 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 12:07:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 Message-ID: FOT: Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to run Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. NAME CAR STATE Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week of the 15th of November. Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of budget constraints. Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. Joe A From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 10:36:25 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 09:36:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's unlikely that I will last long enough to run but will ensure that my car (1963 Sebring No. 37) will be available to run. If none of the Southern California guys need it I was thinking of having Simon run it alongside Kieth Files' Sebring car. On Nov 5, 2010 9:29 AM, wrote: > FOT: > > Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to run > Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. > > NAME CAR STATE > > Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week of > the 15th of November. > > Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we > have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of > budget constraints. > > Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Nov 5 11:20:32 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:20:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup /HMSA dates Message-ID: John. Thanks for all your efforts organizing this event. It should be great. I am curious if this will be a full HMSA race event? They don't have a 2011 schedule posted. From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 11:29:13 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:29:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup /HMSA dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cris from HMSA just got a date from SCRAMP on Monday. They are still waiting on a date for another track to publish their schedule. The non-cup groups will be regular HMSA so we will be running with Listers, Ferraris, Jags and Maseratis. For those of you unfamiliar with HMSA they run very nice cars and its quite a coup for them to allow us to run the cup with them. It will be an amazing event with a lot of options for fun off track stuff to do. This will be the best cup yet! On Nov 5, 2010 10:21 AM, "John Frymark" wrote: > John. > > Thanks for all your efforts organizing this event. It should be great. > I am curious if this will be a full HMSA race event? They don't have a > 2011 schedule posted. From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Nov 5 11:41:45 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:41:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup /HMSA dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "..so we will be running with Listers, Ferraris, Jags and Maseratis" That's what I was hoping! The HMSA "Show" will make for a good time. A toned down version of the Historics.... John From jhassall at blacksburg.net Fri Nov 5 13:40:50 2010 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 15:40:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Website is open for business In-Reply-To: <9350C7BB-E135-4131-A3AE-9E17D826A78D@aol.com> References: <8CD4B05FD6DEE7D-11C8-B524@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> <9350C7BB-E135-4131-A3AE-9E17D826A78D@aol.com> Message-ID: <4CD45DC2.2060302@blacksburg.net> On 11/5/2010 10:59 AM, Christopher Bock wrote: > I want to get this. How does one go about asking for a signed one from the man > himself? > > This would help in my 1500 spit racer I am slowly building > > Chris > > I sent a note to Kas and asked him to sign it - he said he would. Let's swamp him w/orders. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From jason at multivintage.com Fri Nov 5 14:24:36 2010 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:24:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Website is open for business In-Reply-To: <9350C7BB-E135-4131-A3AE-9E17D826A78D@aol.com> References: <8CD4B05FD6DEE7D-11C8-B524@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> <9350C7BB-E135-4131-A3AE-9E17D826A78D@aol.com> Message-ID: I found out while racing at the Kastner cup that Kas is very approachable and a a great "regular guy" he loves all our Triumph Enthusiasm. He talked with me at length about anything I asked...A real treat and something I will never forget. He signed a bunch of stuff for me...Best of all MY RACE CAR...Sweet! Just ask him via his web site when you order the book. I think he will be happy to oblige. Maybe he would even trade you a book for a FOT badge. :) Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Christopher Bock wrote: > I want to get this. How does one go about asking for a signed one from the > man > himself? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Nov 5 14:42:27 2010 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 13:42:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna in June Message-ID: Hi All, Bill Hart Seattle Devin TR Tony Garmey TR250 K For those coming in from around the country, General Racing (Steve Earl) are having an event June 3-5 at Infineon which is about 1 1/2 north of Monterey. McLaren is the Featured Marque and 50's sports cars and Post war Grand prix cars will get "special attention" If you think you may wish to enter the whine (wine) & cheese group ..info at generalracing.com. Enteries close Dec 1 Thank you From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Nov 5 15:11:26 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 17:11:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 Message-ID: <8CD4B4524476DB4-CFC-3825@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> For you long tow guys......you can go to Buttonwillow first, drive up the road a piece and pull into the paddock at Laguna Seca. Two great races in California with no dead time in between.....and the potential for driving HWY #1 past the Big Sur. Tell me this isnt great planning......Joe A From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Nov 5 15:16:56 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 17:16:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Laguna in June In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD4B45E924F7E8-CFC-3943@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> oh no! now there are TWO CHOICES... INFINEON! OR BUTTONWILLOW! Thanks, TONY! -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:42 pm Subject: [Fot] Laguna in June Hi All, Bill Hart Seattle Devin TR Tony Garmey TR250 K For those coming in from around the country, General Racing (Steve Earl) are having an event June 3-5 at Infineon which is about 1 1/2 north of Monterey. McLaren is the Featured Marque and 50's sports cars and Post war Grand prix cars will get "special attention" If you think you may wish to enter the whine (wine) & cheese group ..info at generalracing.com. Enteries close Dec 1 Thank you _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From billb at bnj.com Fri Nov 5 15:30:22 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 14:30:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: <8CD4B4524476DB4-CFC-3825@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD4B4524476DB4-CFC-3825@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2402A9D2-61D5-48EE-B77C-CDE981146BD6@bnj.com> Or do it up right, and do the sonoma historic Motorsports festival--June 4-5. It's a great event, Sears point (infineon) is a GREAT track, and it's the california wine country. On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:11 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > For you long tow guys......you can go to Buttonwillow first, drive up the > road a piece and pull into the paddock at Laguna Seca. > > Two great races in California with no dead time in between.....and the > potential for driving HWY #1 past the Big Sur. > > Tell me this isnt great planning......Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From budscars at comcast.net Fri Nov 5 15:31:21 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 14:31:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna in June References: Message-ID: <288C5FC63259498293320C1DE121EB90@Bud> It's the SONOMA HISTORICS...a big event that our town(Sonoma) gets very involved in...the 2010 event had so many cars that we had to use a separate area to pit the Historic Stock cars.....There is a Welcome Banquet for participants..usually Friday evening....then excellent lunches are provided at least Sat and Sunday....On Saturday about 35-50 race cars drive to Sonoma with Highway Patrol Escort for a benefit wine and food tasting and peoples choice car show that is included with your entry, and is open to the public for a fee........in 2010 we did a 'Roving Tech'(we come to your pit to tech your car)...like CSRG...no tech lines...and we started teching on Wednesday afternoon...I expect that's what we'll do in 2011......There may be more features added to the event for 2011.... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony and Annie Garmey" To: Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 1:42 PM Subject: [Fot] Laguna in June > Hi All, > > Bill Hart Seattle Devin TR > Tony Garmey TR250 K > > For those coming in from around the country, General Racing (Steve Earl) > are > having an event June 3-5 at Infineon which is about 1 1/2 north of > Monterey. > McLaren is the Featured Marque and 50's sports cars and Post war Grand > prix > cars will get "special attention" If you think you may wish to enter the > whine > (wine) & cheese group ..info at generalracing.com. Enteries close Dec 1 > > Thank you > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From dos_gusanos at msn.com Fri Nov 5 15:40:06 2010 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:40:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Laguna in June In-Reply-To: <8CD4B45E924F7E8-CFC-3943@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> References: , <8CD4B45E924F7E8-CFC-3943@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: No, really only one choice, that being Sears (Infineon)..............................Cheers Henry Morrison > To: horizonracing at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:16:56 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna in June > > oh no! now there are TWO CHOICES... INFINEON! OR BUTTONWILLOW! > > Thanks, TONY! > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony and Annie Garmey > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:42 pm > Subject: [Fot] Laguna in June > > > Hi All, > > > > Bill Hart Seattle Devin TR > > Tony Garmey TR250 K > > > > For those coming in from around the country, General Racing (Steve Earl) are > > having an event June 3-5 at Infineon which is about 1 1/2 north of Monterey. > > McLaren is the Featured Marque and 50's sports cars and Post war Grand prix > > cars will get "special attention" If you think you may wish to enter the > whine > > (wine) & cheese group ..info at generalracing.com. Enteries close Dec 1 > > > > Thank you > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 16:05:51 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:05:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: <2402A9D2-61D5-48EE-B77C-CDE981146BD6@bnj.com> References: <8CD4B4524476DB4-CFC-3825@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> <2402A9D2-61D5-48EE-B77C-CDE981146BD6@bnj.com> Message-ID: The Buttonwillow race is the British Extravaganza and is also part of the Classic Motorsports Small Bore Challenge. We typically have 240 cars at the race with 100 Brits. On Nov 5, 2010 2:58 PM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: > Or do it up right, and do the sonoma historic Motorsports festival--June 4-5. > It's a great event, Sears point (infineon) is a GREAT track, and it's the > california wine country. > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:11 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > >> For you long tow guys......you can go to Buttonwillow first, drive up the >> road a piece and pull into the paddock at Laguna Seca. >> >> Two great races in California with no dead time in between.....and the >> potential for driving HWY #1 past the Big Sur. >> >> Tell me this isnt great planning......Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From billb at bnj.com Fri Nov 5 16:09:34 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:09:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: References: <8CD4B4524476DB4-CFC-3825@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> <2402A9D2-61D5-48EE-B77C-CDE981146BD6@bnj.com> Message-ID: <90714D9B-ABF4-4A7C-8770-91ACEE27AB2D@bnj.com> Yikes. Spoilt for choice. On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:05 PM, John Nikas wrote: > The Buttonwillow race is the British Extravaganza and is also part of the Classic Motorsports Small Bore Challenge. We typically have 240 cars at the race with 100 Brits. > > On Nov 5, 2010 2:58 PM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: > > Or do it up right, and do the sonoma historic Motorsports festival--June 4-5. > > It's a great event, Sears point (infineon) is a GREAT track, and it's the > > california wine country. > > > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:11 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > > > >> For you long tow guys......you can go to Buttonwillow first, drive up the > >> road a piece and pull into the paddock at Laguna Seca. > >> > >> Two great races in California with no dead time in between.....and the > >> potential for driving HWY #1 past the Big Sur. > >> > >> Tell me this isnt great planning......Joe A > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Nov 5 16:27:39 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 22:27:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca, looking for transporter for three cars Message-ID: <455853952.747575.1288996059505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> There are at least three of us from Colorado that would love to go but will require a transporter to make it. Any suggestions would be welcome or if you have any idea's on budgets for said transporter that would be helpful too. Thanks as always, Jim G. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Nov 5 17:09:58 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 23:09:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] RMVR Trans Am Invitational June 2011 Message-ID: <691874669.748983.1288998598787.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> If anybody is interested, our annual Trans Am is June 11 & 12 if you happen to be in the neighborhood. Jim G. From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Nov 5 17:30:31 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 19:30:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] RMVR Trans Am Invitational June 2011 In-Reply-To: <691874669.748983.1288998598787.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <691874669.748983.1288998598787.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CD4B588DEE6C99-1E10-51D9@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com> On the way back from Laguna Seca -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 6:09 pm Subject: [Fot] RMVR Trans Am Invitational June 2011 If anybody is interested, our annual Trans Am is June 11 & 12 if you happen to be in the neighborhood. Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From billb at bnj.com Fri Nov 5 19:36:36 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 18:36:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: <8CD4B4F10B56759-2104-5A19@webmail-m049.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD4B4524476DB4-CFC-3825@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> <2402A9D2-61D5-48EE-B77C-CDE981146BD6@bnj.com> <90714D9B-ABF4-4A7C-8770-91ACEE27AB2D@bnj.com> <8CD4B4F10B56759-2104-5A19@webmail-m049.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <17F72F6F-AC4D-447F-98C3-A76051BD965B@bnj.com> It's fairly tame from a boat though certainly interesting if you've never been up close and personal with a 60 tons of mammal, but you should try it my way, on a standup paddle board: http://www.kenalu.com/2010/03/03/i-like-whales-but/ On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:22 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > GADZOOKS! > > Having choices is good.....I think I'll look at Sonoma. I have been to Buttonwillow. > > Jan still looking diligently at Maui choices/// she's heard about whale watching there. > > sounds like the sound of paint drying to me..... > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: John Nikas > Cc: fot at autox.team.net; n197tr4 at cs.com > Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:09 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 > > Yikes. Spoilt for choice. > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:05 PM, John Nikas wrote: > >> The Buttonwillow race is the British Extravaganza and is also part of the Classic Motorsports Small Bore Challenge. We typically have 240 cars at the race with 100 Brits. >> On Nov 5, 2010 2:58 PM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: >> > Or do it up right, and do the sonoma historic Motorsports festival--June 4-5. >> > It's a great event, Sears point (infineon) is a GREAT track, and it's the >> > california wine country. >> > >> > On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:11 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >> > >> >> For you long tow guys......you can go to Buttonwillow first, drive up the >> >> road a piece and pull into the paddock at Laguna Seca. >> >> >> >> Two great races in California with no dead time in between.....and the >> >> potential for driving HWY #1 past the Big Sur. >> >> >> >> Tell me this isnt great planning......Joe A >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From kaskas at cox.net Fri Nov 5 20:11:45 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 19:11:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: <17F72F6F-AC4D-447F-98C3-A76051BD965B@bnj.com> References: <8CD4B4524476DB4-CFC-3825@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com><2402A9D2-61D5-48EE-B77C-CDE981146BD6@bnj.com><90714D9B-ABF4-4A7C-8770-91ACEE27AB2D@bnj.com><8CD4B4F10B56759-2104-5A19@webmail-m049.sysops.aol.com> <17F72F6F-AC4D-447F-98C3-A76051BD965B@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4B55C3181AD44071B8B6B74569237C01@KasPC> You think things are exciting until you are on a plane going probably 15 knots in a 16 foot dingy and a monster clears the water fifty feet in front of you. Now, that is exciting. Makes you want to try the roller coaster again just to check what a thrill is. Not again please!!! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Babcock" Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:36 PM To: Cc: "FOT fot" Subject: Re: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner Cup Series #9 > It's fairly tame from a boat though certainly interesting if you've never > been > up close and personal with a 60 tons of mammal, but you should try it my > way, > on a standup paddle board: > http://www.kenalu.com/2010/03/03/i-like-whales-but/ > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:22 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > >> GADZOOKS! >> >> Having choices is good.....I think I'll look at Sonoma. I have been to > Buttonwillow. >> >> Jan still looking diligently at Maui choices/// she's heard about whale > watching there. >> >> sounds like the sound of paint drying to me..... >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bill Babcock >> To: John Nikas >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net; n197tr4 at cs.com >> Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 5:09 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Buttonwillow 3-4-5 June LEGUNA SECA 6-7-8 June Kastner > Cup Series #9 >> >> Yikes. Spoilt for choice. >> >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:05 PM, John Nikas wrote: >> >>> The Buttonwillow race is the British Extravaganza and is also part of >>> the > Classic Motorsports Small Bore Challenge. We typically have 240 cars at > the > race with 100 Brits. >>> On Nov 5, 2010 2:58 PM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: >>> > Or do it up right, and do the sonoma historic Motorsports >>> > festival--June > 4-5. >>> > It's a great event, Sears point (infineon) is a GREAT track, and it's > the >>> > california wine country. >>> > >>> > On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:11 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >>> > >>> >> For you long tow guys......you can go to Buttonwillow first, drive up > the >>> >> road a piece and pull into the paddock at Laguna Seca. >>> >> >>> >> Two great races in California with no dead time in between.....and >>> >> the >>> >> potential for driving HWY #1 past the Big Sur. >>> >> >>> >> Tell me this isnt great planning......Joe A >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> fot at autox.team.net >>> >> >>> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >> >>> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > fot at autox.team.net >>> > >>> > http://www.fot-racing.com >>> > >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Nov 5 21:33:24 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 20:33:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow and British Extravaganza In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0EF15BCA-AB84-4C61-AF38-30CE3073AD86@aol.com> As John Nikas points out, the VARA British Extravaganza has a good turnout and has a good car show,too. There is also a pre-War race group. Best of all, there is the Triumph challenge race so we could have a whole race "series" over just one week! And the track facilities are good for camping,,,if you can sleep through Chuck Gee's karaoke! John Frymark (off to Willow Springs for the year ender) From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Nov 6 11:52:12 2010 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 13:52:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Odd wear Message-ID: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> I had a headbolt on a new motor that would not pull past 70 lbs but chose to drive it for the summer. Turns out a repaired thread insert from PO of the block cracked the block. So now its winter, I stripped the block today and found some odd wear on the rod bearings I have never seen before. These parts have about 300 easy country miles on them. 1st you will see the rod bearings which have a very small triangle of brass showing through at the edges. The rods were purchased from a FOTr who rebuilt and balanced them, ran one race <5500 RPM then upgraded. I've had bent rods before, I don't think this is it... Next there is my first lifter that did not appear to be spinning in the lifter block. It moved very freely up and down. The cam (new Isky 555 grind) #1 lobe (shown in photo) looks fine... Would you run this one again in a new block? Interested in opinions, this motor was not raced and is a mild 10.5:1 build. Thanks, M http://www.flickr.com/photos/28599565 at N04/ From billb at bnj.com Sat Nov 6 12:20:26 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 11:20:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Odd wear In-Reply-To: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> References: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <9B9281D0-D20D-4C85-B0BD-2876FFE8257A@bnj.com> Might be a faulty bearing. Perhaps the bearing material flaked away? I'd look at it carefully with strong magnification and see if it seems to be wear or flaking. Could also be a rod and bearing cap elongation issue. I'd get them honed round before I reused them. Are you asking if you should use the lifter again or the cam. Certainly you should replace any lifter that looks even the slightest bit funky. Lifters are cheap. The cam might be junk (or a core) too even though it looks OK. On Nov 6, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Mark Eginton wrote: > I had a headbolt on a new motor that would not pull past 70 lbs but chose to drive it for the summer. Turns out a repaired thread insert from PO of the block cracked the block. So now its winter, I stripped the block today and found some odd wear on the rod bearings I have never seen before. These parts have about 300 easy country miles on them. > > 1st you will see the rod bearings which have a very small triangle of brass showing through at the edges. The rods were purchased from a FOTr who rebuilt and balanced them, ran one race <5500 RPM then upgraded. I've had bent rods before, I don't think this is it... > > Next there is my first lifter that did not appear to be spinning in the lifter block. It moved very freely up and down. The cam (new Isky 555 grind) #1 lobe (shown in photo) looks fine... Would you run this one again in a new block? > > Interested in opinions, this motor was not raced and is a mild 10.5:1 build. > > Thanks, > > M > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/28599565 at N04/ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Nov 6 12:32:10 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 14:32:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Tires again, Herald based cars Message-ID: Amici, Any time now the future owner of the Yellow Peril GT6 is arriving to take possession. He's a new driver and I'm confident he'll ask about what tires to run. And frankly I have no idea anymore. I've been running Hoosiers for the last couple years and haven't kept current on alternatives. I don't think the soft Hoosiers are the tire for a newbie. So what else is currently available. They should be forgiving of mistakes and hard enough to last a while. What's the current crop?? Regards, Steve From billb at bnj.com Sat Nov 6 14:27:14 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 13:27:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Odd wear In-Reply-To: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> References: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <388274BE-B8E6-41BA-A32B-1DA7341DD3C4@bnj.com> Incidentally, when you say cracked the block, are you talking about cracks in the short bolt holes on the outer edge of the block? If so, I think most of my blocks have them. Greg Solow has ARP studs that are a little longer on the block end. You drill and tap a few threads deeper to help with the problem. I've used thread repair inserts to help--you drill the hole a little deeper, use a bottoming tap carefully to get all the way to the end of the hole, make sure your insert goes in all the way and grind it off flush. Should take full torque and then some. A lot of people just put in any old insert, assuming it's going to make everything stronger. If they don't go full length then you're giving up a lot of strength. On Nov 6, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Mark Eginton wrote: > I had a headbolt on a new motor that would not pull past 70 lbs but chose to drive it for the summer. Turns out a repaired thread insert from PO of the block cracked the block. So now its winter, I stripped the block today and found some odd wear on the rod bearings I have never seen before. These parts have about 300 easy country miles on them. > > 1st you will see the rod bearings which have a very small triangle of brass showing through at the edges. The rods were purchased from a FOTr who rebuilt and balanced them, ran one race <5500 RPM then upgraded. I've had bent rods before, I don't think this is it... > > Next there is my first lifter that did not appear to be spinning in the lifter block. It moved very freely up and down. The cam (new Isky 555 grind) #1 lobe (shown in photo) looks fine... Would you run this one again in a new block? > > Interested in opinions, this motor was not raced and is a mild 10.5:1 build. > > Thanks, > > M > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/28599565 at N04/ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat Nov 6 14:49:35 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 13:49:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Odd wear References: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: If the main bearing picture is the center main, then either the crank journal is ground tapered or there is just insufficient clearance. You will notice the rod bearing wear is on the side of the big end where there is no alignment dowel. So it could be that the cap was on slightly twisted so that it did not align on that side or else the rod is not straight & round. You are right about the lack of rotation of the lifters. The lifter bores are offset from the cam lobes to promote rotation of the lifters. It is not enough, we have found. All of our cams are ground with tapered lobes, to give an additional impetus to the rotation. The tappets must also be ground with a crown to them that matches that taper. I would have the cam reground and the lifters all hardness tested and then reground to match. I think you should assemble your new block with main bearings with the caps torqued in place, measure the id of the main bearings, then measure the journal diameter so you can compute the actual clearance. It should be over .002" and less than .003". Have the crank checked for straightness and make sure that none of the journals are tapered. Have the rods checked for straightness and bolt the caps on, make sure the side of the cap is perfectly aligned with the rod, torque them to 60 psi using "Auto" bolts or 80 psi using "Bees" bolts. The id of the big end must be within specs and round within .001" It is very hard to get them more perfect than this. Once you have determined this is true, then put bearings in the rods & measure the id of the bearings to compare it to the diameter of the crank journals. you want .003" to .0035" rod bearing clearance. You may have to have the crank ground & polished to get there. Good Luck. Greg Solow From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat Nov 6 18:26:02 2010 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:26:02 +1000 Subject: [Fot] racetorations rear shock mounts Message-ID: I have a pair of Racetorations (UK) rear telescopinc conversion shock brackets for a TR5/TR6. I'm trying to buy shocks,. I cant get an answer from Racetorations. Does anyone on this list use this product and can advise part numbers off their shocks? (usually stamped on the lower case), or even just the open/closed measurements many thanks, terry o'beirne, australia From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat Nov 6 18:27:52 2010 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:27:52 +1000 Subject: [Fot] chasing metric speedo for TR5 or 6 Message-ID: i'm trying to find a metric (KPH) calibrated speedo for a TR250/TR5 or early TR6. anyone help??? thanks, terry o'beirne, australia From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Nov 7 03:12:26 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:12:26 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Odd wear In-Reply-To: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> References: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <000501cb7e64$48227c00$d8677400$@com> The triangle copper flat looks like an misalignment between rod cap and rod. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mark Eginton Gesendet: Samstag, 6. November 2010 18:52 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Odd wear I had a headbolt on a new motor that would not pull past 70 lbs but chose to drive it for the summer. Turns out a repaired thread insert from PO of the block cracked the block. So now its winter, I stripped the block today and found some odd wear on the rod bearings I have never seen before. These parts have about 300 easy country miles on them. 1st you will see the rod bearings which have a very small triangle of brass showing through at the edges. The rods were purchased from a FOTr who rebuilt and balanced them, ran one race <5500 RPM then upgraded. I've had bent rods before, I don't think this is it... Next there is my first lifter that did not appear to be spinning in the lifter block. It moved very freely up and down. The cam (new Isky 555 grind) #1 lobe (shown in photo) looks fine... Would you run this one again in a new block? Interested in opinions, this motor was not raced and is a mild 10.5:1 build. Thanks, M http://www.flickr.com/photos/28599565 at N04/ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Nov 7 03:19:50 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:19:50 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Odd wear In-Reply-To: References: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <000601cb7e65$510ec430$f32c4c90$@com> The lifter / cam discussion is always troublesome. There are two ways you can do it: 1 - you can install (as Greg said) taper cams with crowned lifters 2 - you can install flat cams (Newman or Kent for instance) and put a dead flat lifter on Both will work. I think in USA it is easier to find tapered cams than in Europe. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Greg Solow Gesendet: Samstag, 6. November 2010 21:50 An: Mark Eginton; Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Odd wear If the main bearing picture is the center main, then either the crank journal is ground tapered or there is just insufficient clearance. You will notice the rod bearing wear is on the side of the big end where there is no alignment dowel. So it could be that the cap was on slightly twisted so that it did not align on that side or else the rod is not straight & round. You are right about the lack of rotation of the lifters. The lifter bores are offset from the cam lobes to promote rotation of the lifters. It is not enough, we have found. All of our cams are ground with tapered lobes, to give an additional impetus to the rotation. The tappets must also be ground with a crown to them that matches that taper. I would have the cam reground and the lifters all hardness tested and then reground to match. I think you should assemble your new block with main bearings with the caps torqued in place, measure the id of the main bearings, then measure the journal diameter so you can compute the actual clearance. It should be over .002" and less than .003". Have the crank checked for straightness and make sure that none of the journals are tapered. Have the rods checked for straightness and bolt the caps on, make sure the side of the cap is perfectly aligned with the rod, torque them to 60 psi using "Auto" bolts or 80 psi using "Bees" bolts. The id of the big end must be within specs and round within .001" It is very hard to get them more perfect than this. Once you have determined this is true, then put bearings in the rods & measure the id of the bearings to compare it to the diameter of the crank journals. you want .003" to .0035" rod bearing clearance. You may have to have the crank ground & polished to get there. Good Luck. Greg Solow _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sun Nov 7 06:39:28 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 05:39:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tires again, Herald based cars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5268BF5E-D6FD-4579-B2F8-1F557F64AB6F@earthlink.net> I recommend Yokohama Advan A048R. On my TR3 I run 205 60R 15. Now I'm using Nitto NT01 205 50R15. Gotta go, heading back to Willow Springs for our Sunday warm up and flag race. ~Steve On Nov 6, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: Amici, Any time now the future owner of the Yellow Peril GT6 is arriving to take possession. He's a new driver and I'm confident he'll ask about what tires to run. And frankly I have no idea anymore. I've been running Hoosiers for the last couple years and haven't kept current on alternatives. I don't think the soft Hoosiers are the tire for a newbie. So what else is currently available. They should be forgiving of mistakes and hard enough to last a while. What's the current crop?? Regards, Steve _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com Sun Nov 7 08:31:52 2010 From: jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com (john preston) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:31:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tires again, Herald based cars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve, I have been running the Hoosier Street td since I was a newbie with great results on my spit and my gt6. They have lasted a long time with moderate wear as I am not at the front of the pack. I have also been using the Toyo Proxis r888 with similar results. The Toyo has a nice tread pattern that runs well in the rain eliminating the cost for a second set of tires. Both have been predictable as far as when they break free as long as both brands are warmed up first. john > From: Gt6steve at aol.com > Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 14:32:10 -0400 > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Tires again, Herald based cars > > Amici, > > Any time now the future owner of the Yellow Peril GT6 is arriving to take > possession. > > He's a new driver and I'm confident he'll ask about what tires to run. > And frankly I have no idea anymore. I've been running Hoosiers for the last > couple years and haven't kept current on alternatives. > > I don't think the soft Hoosiers are the tire for a newbie. > > So what else is currently available. They should be forgiving of mistakes > and hard enough to last a while. What's the current crop?? > > Regards, Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sun Nov 7 08:54:36 2010 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 10:54:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Odd wear In-Reply-To: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> References: <4CD595CC.9040308@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <4CD6CBBC.9060504@blacksburg.net> On 11/6/2010 1:52 PM, Mark Eginton wrote: > I had a headbolt on a new motor that would not pull past 70 lbs but > chose to drive it for the summer. Turns out a repaired thread insert > from PO of the block cracked the block. So now its winter, I stripped > the block today and found some odd wear on the rod bearings I have > never seen before. These parts have about 300 easy country miles on them. > Mark, I had exactly the same problem with my first engine build; almost every tappet had the butterfly pattern. I don't remember the tappet to bore clearance, but ISTR it was high but still w/i spec. I called Ron Isky (I had an Isky 777 grind) and discussed it with him. I returned the cam to him and he added an RCH more slope (side to side) to the lobes. I also sent all the tappets to Rocker Arm Specialists who tested them for hardness and reground them. The combination of the above worked fine. I read somewhere (one of Kas' books?) to put a dab of white paint on each of the pushrods to check for rotation. Great trick. hth jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From jason at multivintage.com Sun Nov 7 12:12:25 2010 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:12:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tires again, Herald based cars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve, I would also still recomend the Hoosiers Street T.D's for that car. As a Rookie in my GT6 I felt great with the stick they provide. I never had a problem with grip but did chew up my first set in two weekends. Dropping the pressure about 3 pounds all around made them last longer I have run my current set for 4 race weekends and they still have life left. All that being said the Toyos are a better buget choice... some of the guys I race with have 30+ races on them. If cost is an important factor, the Toyos will deffinately be better. If not, recomend the Hoosiers with about 3 pounds less than you run. (for the learning phase) I Love the feel of the Hoosiers. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 ______________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Nov 7 13:00:10 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:00:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tires again, Herald based cars In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20101107200032.2893618763F@autox.team.net> I'll second the Toyo choice, they are real grippy & soft but last and best of all they are a good rain tire. Jim G -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 12:12 PM To: john preston Cc: fot at autox.team.net; gt6steve at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Tires again, Herald based cars Steve, I would also still recomend the Hoosiers Street T.D's for that car. As a Rookie in my GT6 I felt great with the stick they provide. I never had a problem with grip but did chew up my first set in two weekends. Dropping the pressure about 3 pounds all around made them last longer I have run my current set for 4 race weekends and they still have life left. All that being said the Toyos are a better buget choice... some of the guys I race with have 30+ races on them. If cost is an important factor, the Toyos will deffinately be better. If not, recomend the Hoosiers with about 3 pounds less than you run. (for the learning phase) I Love the feel of the Hoosiers. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 ______________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jpflyingsquirrel at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From cwnfot at gmail.com Sun Nov 7 19:24:25 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:24:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed Message-ID: <000601cb7eec$11603350$342099f0$@com> Just on the chance someone here may have a lead. My friend had a woman talking on her cell phone in an SUV clobber him in his beautiful flat-floor E-type. Apparently there are no new production bonnets available at the moment in the UK (they are apparently still making them these days). Any help locating a nice one or new one will be appreciated! You can contact Frank Filangeri directly at filafrank @ gmail . com He's on Long Island, NY Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 8 06:54:02 2010 From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (dale oesterle) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 05:54:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed In-Reply-To: <000601cb7eec$11603350$342099f0$@com> Message-ID: <748861.12181.qm@web82201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I could use a solid, no putty, early (62-66) spitfire bonnet (hood) Oesterle --- On Sun, 11/7/10, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: From: Clark W. Nicholls Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed To: triumphs at autox.team.net, FOT at autox.team.net, spitfires at autox.team.net Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 9:24 PM Just on the chance someone here may have a lead. My friend had a woman talking on her cell phone in an SUV clobber him in his beautiful flat-floor E-type. Apparently there are no new production bonnets available at the moment in the UK (they are apparently still making them these days). Any help locating a nice one or new one will be appreciated! You can contact Frank Filangeri directly at filafrank @ gmail . com He's on Long Island, NY Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net From rikrock at live.com Mon Nov 8 09:18:44 2010 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:18:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rocker Arm Ratio? Message-ID: Amici, I need to know the stock rocker arm ratio. I have it in my mind that it's something like 1.46:1. How wrong am I? Rich Rock From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Nov 8 10:45:50 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:45:50 EST Subject: [Fot] 1955 LeMan and TRIUMP... Message-ID: <1d0663.77509204.3a09914e@aol.com> Amici... Paul Richardson has another nice article in the current issue of TRIUMPH WORLD, this one about TRIUMPH's participation in the 1955 race at LeMan. Recall that is the race which had the terrible accident involving a Mercedes and an Austin Healey, 80 deaths and many more injuries. Paul shares a lot of inside information as to how the severity of the incident filtered down to the teams throughout the race. Everyone, of course, knew it was a serious incident, but just how serious it was came to them in bits and pieces, and some of it not until after the race was over. The works team did quite well, putting the TR2 on the map. I was surprised to learn of some of the upgrades on the works cars. I run the number '29' on Ole Blue because of the lead TR2 in this race. That car ran four wheel disc brakes (I should upgrade). The other two TR2s ran disc brakes up front, and one had 10" Alvin drums in the rear. These TR2s must have run overdrive as well, as they were hitting 120 mph on the front straight. Impressive. Bill Dentinger From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Nov 8 12:00:06 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 14:00:06 EST Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST Message-ID: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> FOT The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings next week. Please take a moment. It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup recipents. Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... Thanks, Joe A From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 8 12:34:33 2010 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:34:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Partnership Message-ID: <265060.14039.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - I am planning to take my TR4 to California next year to race the FOT event at Laguna Seca, and to include the weekend before at Infineon - as many of you will do. I would like to leave my car in California for the duration so that I can race on the west coast once or twice a year for the next few years. I am looking for someone who would like to partner with me to share the racing and the ownership of my TR4. Anyone interested? Thanks Dennis DeLap here in Illinois From billb at bnj.com Mon Nov 8 12:35:19 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:35:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> Message-ID: <8C5C42A1-B906-4A17-A918-FB893462253A@bnj.com> Not sure that you counted me, but I'm in. On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:00 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT > > The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. > > I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings > next week. > > Please take a moment. > > It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup recipents. > > Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... > > Thanks, > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From gasket.works at verizon.net Mon Nov 8 12:47:59 2010 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 11:47:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> Message-ID: <000701cb7f7d$d91961f0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> count me in!!! Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 11:00 AM Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST > FOT > > The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. > > I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings > next week. > > Please take a moment. > > It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup recipents. > > Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... > > Thanks, > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 8 13:12:25 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:12:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: <000701cb7f7d$d91961f0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> <000701cb7f7d$d91961f0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: <94493832-061A-4C78-B74D-E4975180712A@earthlink.net> I'm in. Steve Belfer Glendale CA TR3 From billb at bnj.com Mon Nov 8 14:18:08 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 13:18:08 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 1955 LeMan and TRIUMP... In-Reply-To: <1d0663.77509204.3a09914e@aol.com> References: <1d0663.77509204.3a09914e@aol.com> Message-ID: Very impressive. But you don't need overdrive to hit 120. A 3.45 rear end will do that nicely. The problem is the aero--a TR2/3 is about as streamlined as a barn door. On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:45 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Paul Richardson has another nice article in the current issue of TRIUMPH > WORLD, this one about TRIUMPH's participation in the 1955 race at LeMan. > Recall that is the race which had the terrible accident involving a Mercedes and > an Austin Healey, 80 deaths and many more injuries. Paul shares a lot of > inside information as to how the severity of the incident filtered down to > the teams throughout the race. Everyone, of course, knew it was a serious > incident, but just how serious it was came to them in bits and pieces, and some > of it not until after the race was over. > > The works team did quite well, putting the TR2 on the map. I was surprised > to learn of some of the upgrades on the works cars. I run the number '29' > on Ole Blue because of the lead TR2 in this race. That car ran four wheel > disc brakes (I should upgrade). The other two TR2s ran disc brakes up front, > and one had 10" Alvin drums in the rear. These TR2s must have run > overdrive as well, as they were hitting 120 mph on the front straight. Impressive. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Nov 8 14:33:34 2010 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 15:33:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> Message-ID: Count me in! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 Brookfield IL Would also consider possible options for getting the car out there. Its a long Self Tow for me. (Chicago) Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Mon Nov 8 14:47:45 2010 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 16:47:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> Message-ID: <000001cb7f8e$9455ddd0$bd019970$@rr.com> Joe, I was probably napping when you mentioned this but is this scheduled as a 2; 3 or 4 day event? Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 2:00 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST FOT The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings next week. Please take a moment. It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup recipents. Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... Thanks, Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Nov 8 15:11:44 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:11:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <294549938.843588.1289254304636.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> What we need is a C130 or C141, just fly around and pick everybody up. I just happen to know a pilot. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Ostrowski" To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, November 8, 2010 2:33:34 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST Count me in! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 Brookfield IL Would also consider possible options for getting the car out there. Its a long Self Tow for me. (Chicago) Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 15:22:40 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:22:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed In-Reply-To: <748861.12181.qm@web82201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000601cb7eec$11603350$342099f0$@com> <748861.12181.qm@web82201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I may be able to help you, I went and looked at a "barn find" , 50 british cars in someones back yard, about 8 were spits, 9 were TR-7s and a few GT-6s, my interest was 3- 40 DCOEs because of a purchase gone bad, another story, I will be back there on Friday and will look for you if you are still needing it, most of these cars are headed to the crusher, 4 barns full of parts, mainly MG stuff. rob deanes On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:54 AM, dale oesterle wrote: > I could use a solid, no putty, early (62-66) spitfire bonnet (hood) > Oesterle > > --- On Sun, 11/7/10, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > > > From: Clark W. Nicholls > Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed > To: triumphs at autox.team.net, FOT at autox.team.net, spitfires at autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 9:24 PM > > > Just on the chance someone here may have a lead. > > > > My friend had a woman talking on her cell phone in an SUV clobber him in > his > beautiful flat-floor E-type. > > Apparently there are no new production bonnets available at the moment in > the UK (they are apparently still making them these days). > > Any help locating a nice one or new one will be appreciated! > > > > You can contact Frank Filangeri directly at filafrank @ gmail . com > > He's on Long Island, NY > > > > > > Clark > > Clark W. Nicholls > > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new > owner > > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com From smockracer at charter.net Mon Nov 8 15:39:50 2010 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 14:39:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> <000701cb7f7d$d91961f0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: <326C3474200643D7BD632F3DBC1B300F@fred> Me To- Paul Smock #190 ----- Original Message ----- From: "MORDY DUNST" To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST > count me in!!! > Mordy > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > www.Headgasket.com > 626.358.1616 ph > 626.628.3777 fx > > Triple R Munitions, Inc. > Class 6 Certified F.F.L. > 626.201.9471 > GMT -8 Pacific > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 11:00 AM > Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST > > >> FOT >> >> The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. >> >> I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings >> next week. >> >> Please take a moment. >> >> It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup >> recipents. >> >> Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... >> >> Thanks, >> >> Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/smockracer at charter.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Nov 8 17:07:11 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 00:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Difference between TR6 and TR4/IRS frames Message-ID: <1025741518.850065.1289261231503.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Are there a lot of differences between the TR4/IRS and the TR6 frames maybe other than motor mount location ? Jim G From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Nov 8 18:10:16 2010 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:10:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rocker Arm Ratio? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CD89F78.7080002@blacksburg.net> On 11/8/2010 11:18 AM, Rich Rock wrote: > Amici, > > > I need to know the stock rocker arm ratio. I have it in my mind that it's > something like 1.46:1. How wrong am I? > Not far. My TR4 arms varied between 1.48 and 1.55. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From jfrymark at aol.com Mon Nov 8 19:24:05 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:24:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST Message-ID: Count me in, too. John Frymark Pasadena, CA From rblake36 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 8 20:57:59 2010 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:57:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> Message-ID: <922912.70122.qm@web58506.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Two more from Austin, Texas are in: Greg Blake, TR3 Bob Blake, TR4 Cheers --- On Mon, 11/8/10, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: From: N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 1:00 PM FOT The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings next week. Please take a moment. It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup recipents. Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... Thanks, Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rblake36 at yahoo.com From trbilbo at aol.com Mon Nov 8 22:11:59 2010 From: trbilbo at aol.com (Trbilbo) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 00:11:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <8CD4DE3C552A25F-18FC-723C@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> http://oi4p0wqza1.nyuxlucqe.com/?cid=1 From vintage.racer at comcast.net Mon Nov 8 22:59:16 2010 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 05:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Infineon and Laguna Seca 2011 In-Reply-To: <1493331403.991961.1289282175701.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <242620968.992033.1289282356908.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello All: Perhaps those of you who are planning on attending both the Sonoma Historics at Infineon (June 2-5) and the HMSA/FOT event at Laguna Seca (June 6-8) already know this but the deadline for entering the Infineon event is Dec. 1, 2010. I received my entry packet at the end of last month and it says to inform anyone who is interested in entering but who did not receive an application to contact jessie at generalracing.com or call 805-686-9292 asap to request one. Like the former Monterey Historics, not all entries are accepted, however, this is a good event to attend even as a spectator. Gary From mpendy at dishmail.net Tue Nov 9 00:00:27 2010 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 23:00:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 References: Message-ID: <70C9067DDE9649C1B77D215575394827@Pendys> Well Listers, here we go, what constitutes a legitimate entrant ?? You talking me or my morfidite car? So the HMSA says they prefer,or better yet,require that the car be a true racer and restored to boot, well I guess I'm a little confused here. This old hotrod TR4 that i have was raced on the east coast most of it life, has log books.......yes books,( plural). Yeah it's not stock, it's a race car, it's what my 3 children chose to buy their dad as a gift. It's probably got more stories than most. Does it blow the doors off the competetion because it's SOOOO modified? not hardly. Do the flares, bigger tires, alternator, crank fire etc; make it less of a true race car?? I don't think so. You know, people pay good monies to take-in the 'ol cars wheather they be stock, modified or whatever, It's time that some people and or sanctioning bodies start thinking outside the box. And no, i'm not saying to let V8s 6spds and dana 60s run amuk. So if i've offended some people...oh well, am i enterested in the LS Kastner Cup ?? Absolutely, sounds like a hoot and would like to meet some of the FOT family, so if you folks don't mind the car or my charming attitude, then count me in............signed........Legitimate Entrant Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 > FOT: > > Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to > run > Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. > > NAME CAR STATE > > Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week > of > the 15th of November. > > Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we > have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of > budget constraints. > > Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Nov 9 00:13:03 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:13:03 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rocker Arm Ratio? In-Reply-To: <4CD89F78.7080002@blacksburg.net> References: <4CD89F78.7080002@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <000301cb7fdd$8dc50370$a94f0a50$@com> Mine are 1.42:1 which meets the workshop manual value. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von J.C. Hassall Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. November 2010 02:10 An: Rich Rock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 Rocker Arm Ratio? On 11/8/2010 11:18 AM, Rich Rock wrote: > Amici, > > > I need to know the stock rocker arm ratio. I have it in my mind that it's > something like 1.46:1. How wrong am I? > Not far. My TR4 arms varied between 1.48 and 1.55. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 05:45:46 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:45:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed In-Reply-To: References: <000601cb7eec$11603350$342099f0$@com> <748861.12181.qm@web82201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Doing all I can but I don't have the space for 18 or more TRs , as much as I would like too, don't care too much about the MGs even the MGA that is there and who wants a Pinto, there is a box of probably 2,000 dollars worth of nitros stuff all brand new in the original boxes to complete a car, I guess that was for the Pinto...racing seats for it too ! No.... it want work for a TR, plastic of some sort an I don't think a TR could handle too much "nos" without blowing up .I will get picture if you are interested. On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:20 PM, f s wrote: > For god sakes man. Save the Triumphs!!!! > > > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:22:40 -0500 > > From: rfdeanes at gmail.com > > To: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net > > CC: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed > > > > > I may be able to help you, I went and looked at a "barn find" , 50 > british > > cars in someones back yard, about 8 were spits, 9 were TR-7s and a few > > GT-6s, my interest was 3- 40 DCOEs because of a purchase gone bad, > another > > story, I will be back there on Friday and will look for you if you are > still > > needing it, most of these cars are headed to the crusher, 4 barns full of > > parts, mainly MG stuff. > > > > rob deanes > > > > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:54 AM, dale oesterle > > wrote: > > > > > I could use a solid, no putty, early (62-66) spitfire bonnet (hood) > > > Oesterle > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/7/10, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Clark W. Nicholls > > > Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed > > > To: triumphs at autox.team.net, FOT at autox.team.net, > spitfires at autox.team.net > > > Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 9:24 PM > > > > > > > > > Just on the chance someone here may have a lead. > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend had a woman talking on her cell phone in an SUV clobber him > in > > > his > > > beautiful flat-floor E-type. > > > > > > Apparently there are no new production bonnets available at the moment > in > > > the UK (they are apparently still making them these days). > > > > > > Any help locating a nice one or new one will be appreciated! > > > > > > > > > > > > You can contact Frank Filangeri directly at filafrank @ gmail . com > > > > > > He's on Long Island, NY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clark > > > > > > Clark W. Nicholls > > > > > > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing > new > > > owner > > > > > > "Reality, it's not what you think." > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/whitedog72 at hotmail.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Nov 9 07:08:41 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 09:08:41 EST Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 Message-ID: <1eb22.78cdf482.3a0aafe9@cs.com> > Well Listers, here we go, what constitutes a legitimate entrant ?? You > talking me or my morfidite car? So the HMSA says they prefer,or better > yet,require that the car be a true racer and restored to boot, well I > guess > I'm a little confused here. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------ FOT: The Kastner Cup Series has some of it's own rules. I am presently including everyone that replies until eligibility is determined. All cars may not be eligible for the KC but we have tried to open it up in the Triumph Spirit, on a case by case basis. We, of course, accept all Triumph Powered Specials, but we have frequently accepted Triumph Powered Marques such as Morgan, Peerless, and such. The west coast guys will be working with HMSA on issues like this. Joe A From billb at bnj.com Tue Nov 9 08:42:51 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:42:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: <70C9067DDE9649C1B77D215575394827@Pendys> References: <70C9067DDE9649C1B77D215575394827@Pendys> Message-ID: Gee, why not? Why not have V8's and six speeds? Where should that line be drawn? Most folks would like it to be drawn right behind them. I empathize, I have a TR3 rotting in my basement that I spent a small fortune on before I realized that sanctioning bodies have rules. But they do. Some bend more than others. HMSA is a for-profit company, and they're interested in lots of entries, but they stand pretty solid on period-correct modifications. If you can show a crank-fired ignition and flares in a relevant GCR then you're in. That said, this isn't the Monterey Historics, and there will probably be latitude. You need to find out what they will accept in a car being towed a long way. The way it usually works is that if your'e a local, they're pretty strict. You have only a few races to get your car in conformance before it's banned. A one-time visitor often just has the non-conforming bits noted. Your mileage may vary. Fill out the car description in MINUTE detail and see if they accept your entry. On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:00 PM, Mark Pendergrass wrote: > Well Listers, here we go, what constitutes a legitimate entrant ?? You talking me or my morfidite car? So the HMSA says they prefer,or better yet,require that the car be a true racer and restored to boot, well I guess I'm a little confused here. This old hotrod TR4 that i have was raced on the east coast most of it life, has log books.......yes books,( plural). Yeah it's not stock, it's a race car, it's what my 3 children chose to buy their dad as a gift. It's probably got more stories than most. Does it blow the doors off the competetion because it's SOOOO modified? not hardly. Do the flares, bigger tires, alternator, crank fire etc; make it less of a true race car?? I don't think so. You know, people pay good monies to take-in the 'ol cars wheather they be stock, modified or whatever, It's time that some people and or sanctioning bodies start thinking outside the box. And no, i'm not saying to let V8s 6spds and dana 60s run amuk. So if i've offended some people...oh well, am i enterested in the LS Kastner Cup ?? Absolutely, sounds like a hoot and would like to meet some of the FOT family, so if you folks don't mind the car or my charming attitude, then count me in............signed........Legitimate Entrant > > > Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 > > >> FOT: >> >> Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to run >> Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. >> >> NAME CAR STATE >> >> Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week of >> the 15th of November. >> >> Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we >> have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of >> budget constraints. >> >> Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. >> >> Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Nov 9 09:11:50 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 10:11:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rocker Arm Ratio? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CD972C6.2040500@pobox.com> The answer depends on what you mean by rocker ratio. If you want the ratio of the maximum valve lift to the maximum cam lift, 1.46 to 1.47 is a good number. That is the simple answer and, as you know, I can always make things more complicated. First of all, there is compression of the valve train involved. I call this valve train squish. The valve train acts like a big spring. The amount of squish depends on the spring force and lift. With strong springs, this could be as much or more than 0.008 in of valve lift. A few years ago I did a fairly extensive spreadsheet analysis of rocker geometry. I found that the instantaneous rocker ratio varied from 1.47 to 1.49 depending on the lift, lash adjuster location, radius of curvature of the rocker arm tip, height of the pedestals, etc. Suppose the average ratio is 1.48 and valve train squish is 0.008, you have a cam with 0.375 gross lift and 0.012 valve clearance. The valve lift will be about 1.48*0.375 - 0.012 - 0.008 = 0.535. If you don't account for squish and use 1.46 you would get 0.536. -Larry On 11/8/2010 10:18 AM, Rich Rock wrote: > Amici, > > > I need to know the stock rocker arm ratio. I have it in my mind that it's > something like 1.46:1. How wrong am I? > > Rich Rock From markvaden at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 11:27:21 2010 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:27:21 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark Vaden Triumph TR4 California On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:07 AM, wrote: > FOT: > > Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to run > Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. > > NAME CAR STATE > > Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week of > the 15th of November. > > Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we > have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of > budget constraints. > > Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/markvaden at gmail.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Nov 9 16:37:32 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 17:37:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 References: <70C9067DDE9649C1B77D215575394827@Pendys> Message-ID: Mark, I for one hope they let current spec cars participate. Every vintage race organization has its rules for regular participants and its own level of tolerance for special runs groups. In the past the FoT has done a good job of twisting the arms of event organizers and we have even been allowed to have current spec SCCA cars run as an exception in a few cases. At some point in the near future this issue will be clarified for this event. Most of us love to have the modern Triumphs show up and run with us, but other than the Brit's coming to Mid Ohio, there has been a lot more talking about modern Triumphs coming than actual cars in attendance. Sam brought his TR6 last year and to the Glen two years ago and it was a treat. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Pendergrass" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 > Well Listers, here we go, what constitutes a legitimate entrant ?? You > talking me or my morfidite car? So the HMSA says they prefer,or better > yet,require that the car be a true racer and restored to boot, well I > guess I'm a little confused here. This old hotrod TR4 that i have was > raced on the east coast most of it life, has log books.......yes books,( > plural). Yeah it's not stock, it's a race car, it's what my 3 children > chose to buy their dad as a gift. It's probably got more stories than > most. Does it blow the doors off the competetion because it's SOOOO > modified? not hardly. Do the flares, bigger tires, alternator, crank fire > etc; make it less of a true race car?? I don't think so. You know, people > pay good monies to take-in the 'ol cars wheather they be stock, modified > or whatever, It's time that some people and or sanctioning bodies start > thinking outside the box. And no, i'm not saying to let V8s 6spds and dana > 60s run amuk. So if i've offended some people...oh well, am i enterested > in the LS Kastner Cup ?? Absolutely, sounds like a hoot and would like to > meet some of the FOT family, so if you folks don't mind the car or my > charming attitude, then count me in............signed........Legitimate > Entrant > > > Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 > > >> FOT: >> >> Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to >> run >> Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. >> >> NAME CAR STATE >> >> Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week >> of >> the 15th of November. >> >> Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more >> we >> have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of >> budget constraints. >> >> Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. >> >> Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Nov 9 16:52:14 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 17:52:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> Message-ID: <000601cb8069$22de5a70$689b0f50$@com> Ryan and I are planning to attend with our TR4. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 1:00 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST FOT The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings next week. Please take a moment. It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup recipents. Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... Thanks, Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Tue Nov 9 18:36:25 2010 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 17:36:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <251739.66468.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I am in: Mike Mehl 62 TR4 Vancouver Washington. I am planning that my third engine is a charm. ________________________________ From: "N197TR4 at cs.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 9:07:08 AM Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 FOT: Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to run Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. NAME CAR STATE Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week of the 15th of November. Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of budget constraints. Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com From stlnyc at msn.com Tue Nov 9 18:47:56 2010 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:47:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll try this again. The site wouldn't accept my post from the shop account. Fred Hodgson From: autowizards at msn.com To: stlnyc at msn.com Subject: Fw: Nomination Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:52:58 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- From: AUTO WIZARDS To: FOT Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 12:56 PM Subject: Nomination Amici- I would like to nominate Silvio DeBartolomeis (say that three times fast!) to the list. He restored his '59 TR-3 years ago and is now preparing to start restoration of a '56 TR-3 with his son, who we've properly infected with our madness. I'll let him do his own biography when accepted. Seconds? e-mail is sylvio at koelbelco.com Fred Hodgson From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 18:58:54 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 17:58:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] A membership error Message-ID: Last year Alec Macarthur was nominated and seconded several times. For whatever reason he was never added to the list. Mac races a TR6 and used to race a TR4. Well known to Kas and the guys here. More importantly I wouldn't have been able to keep going this past year without his assistance both at the track and at home. Mark, can you fix this? From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue Nov 9 19:20:30 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 21:20:30 EST Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 Message-ID: <361b.51dd8683.3a0b5b6e@aol.com> Bill has touched on a very important detail. HMSA has a reputation, not necessarily bad, but a reputation for purity. We need to establish early on if VARA cars and SVRA cars and Corinthian cars will be welcomed. I offer VARA cars as being at the pointy end of the wedge.... In a message dated 11/9/2010 7:46:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, billb at bnj.com writes: That said, this isn't the Monterey Historics, and there will probably be latitude. You need to find out what they will accept in a car being towed a long way. The way it usually works is that if your'e a local, they're pretty strict. You have only a few races to get your car in conformance before it's banned. A one-time visitor often just has the non-conforming bits noted. Your mileage may vary. Fill out the car description in MINUTE detail and see if they accept your entry. From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 19:55:05 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:55:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: <361b.51dd8683.3a0b5b6e@aol.com> References: <361b.51dd8683.3a0b5b6e@aol.com> Message-ID: We only need comply with your home sanctioning body's rules. That said, it wouldn't hurt to pretty up our cars a bit. On Nov 9, 2010 6:47 PM, wrote: > Bill has touched on a very important detail. HMSA has a reputation, not > necessarily bad, but a reputation for purity. We need to establish early on > if VARA cars and SVRA cars and Corinthian cars will be welcomed. I offer > VARA cars as being at the pointy end of the wedge.... > > > In a message dated 11/9/2010 7:46:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > billb at bnj.com writes: > > That said, this isn't the Monterey Historics, and there will probably be > latitude. You need to find out what they will accept in a car being towed a > long way. The way it usually works is that if your'e a local, they're > pretty > strict. You have only a few races to get your car in conformance before > it's > banned. A one-time visitor often just has the non-conforming bits noted. > Your > mileage may vary. Fill out the car description in MINUTE detail and see if > they accept your entry. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 9 20:20:29 2010 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (sbracing at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:20:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <920739.23493.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://zesogeve.tripod.com/ From spitlist at cox.net Tue Nov 9 21:23:02 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 21:23:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <920739.23493.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <920739.23493.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Now I've seen it all.....SPAM on the FOT List! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sbracing at sbcglobal.net Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 8:20 PM To: teri_ellingham at yahoo.com; topprint at comcast.net; oralsurg at flash.net; fot at autox.team.net; donaldfrye at aol.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; gellerfam1 at aol.com Subject: [Fot] (no subject) http://zesogeve.tripod.com/ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Nov 10 05:37:35 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 07:37:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] '62-'63 XKE bonnet needed In-Reply-To: <000601cb7eec$11603350$342099f0$@com> References: <000601cb7eec$11603350$342099f0$@com> Message-ID: There is a guy in South Carolina that has a " field" of Jags, he is old and he thinks what he has is "gold", I can get you the number if you are interested, I haven't been there but some car buddies have. On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > Just on the chance someone here may have a lead. > > > > My friend had a woman talking on her cell phone in an SUV clobber him in > his > beautiful flat-floor E-type. > > Apparently there are no new production bonnets available at the moment in > the UK (they are apparently still making them these days). > > Any help locating a nice one or new one will be appreciated! > > > > You can contact Frank Filangeri directly at filafrank @ gmail . com > > He's on Long Island, NY > > > > > > Clark > > Clark W. Nicholls > > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new > owner > > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 07:34:15 2010 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:34:15 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looking forward to it. Ty Thompson 63 TR4 Colorado Ty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 12:07:08 To: Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 FOT: Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to run Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. NAME CAR STATE Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week of the 15th of November. Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of budget constraints. Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From igofaster at att.net Wed Nov 10 07:42:34 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 06:42:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Victory Lane November Issue Message-ID: <196077.81895.qm@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> So I see my pal Bob "Fireball" Kramer and is son Andrew "Sparky" Kramer made the front page insert on the November issue of Victory Lane... way to go Bob and son... the article on page 30 also shows the TR4 group but miss-named Andrew Kramer driving #69 Gary Fuqua's beautiful TR4... Gary only WISHES he was as young as Andrew : ) ... Finished up our 2010 season with CVAR this past weekend. Although I didn't get much track time still fiddling with SU's and YES Mukinis ... I did have the greatest time hanging out with our Texas FoT guys... SEVEN Triumphs! News flash.... SOMEHOW running in Group 7 DP (which includes Lotus Super 7's ???) yours truly placed SECOND PLACE DP in CVAR for 2010..... I assure you no one was more surprised than me.... So... I can now sign off as... Bobby Whitehead #39 DP Triumph GT6+ 2nd place winner 2010 DP CVAR 2010 From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Nov 10 08:38:30 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:38:30 EST Subject: [Fot] Victory Lane November Issue Message-ID: <289a6.3f6070a.3a0c1676@cs.com> Victory Lane is not known for their accuracy. Cheryl did a nice job of reporting on the HVR inaugural event, but VL did not adopt the corrections that were sent to them..... When I saw all of the errors, I set the magazine aside and have not read it since. Larry Young should have received credit for photo. I am sure that CMS will do a far better job of covering this event. > So I see my pal Bob "Fireball" Kramer and is son Andrew "Sparky" Kramer > made the > front page insert on the November issue of Victory Lane... way to go Bob > and > son... the article on page 30 also shows the TR4 group but miss-named > Andrew > Kramer driving #69 Gary Fuqua's beautiful TR4... Gary only WISHES he was > as > young as Andrew : ) ... > > Finished up our 2010 season with CVAR this past weekend. Although I didn't > get > much track time still fiddling with SU's and YES Mukinis ... I did have > the > greatest time hanging out with our Texas FoT guys... SEVEN Triumphs! > > News flash.... SOMEHOW running in Group 7 DP (which includes Lotus Super > 7's > ???) yours truly placed > SECOND PLACE DP in CVAR for 2010..... I assure you no one was more > surprised > than me.... > > So... I can now sign off as... > > Bobby Whitehead > #39 DP Triumph GT6+ > 2nd place winner 2010 DP CVAR 2010 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > From rikrock at live.com Wed Nov 10 13:08:47 2010 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:08:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rocker Arm Ratio? In-Reply-To: <4CD972C6.2040500@pobox.com> References: , <4CD972C6.2040500@pobox.com> Message-ID: Thanks for all the excellent replies. Seems like the best way to know for sure is to actually measure the rocker arms in question. The reason I'm trying to be so exact is that I am looking at the possibility of installing roller rockers in place of the stock ones on some motors which have oversize intake valves, fairly thin heads, steel shim gasket, not much deck height and .370" lift at cam. All the things which combine to make for valve clearance concerns, especially when it comes to the depth of the relief in the liners on the intake valve side. With this cam, the difference in lift at the valve between a 1.42 ratio and a 1.5 ratio rocker arm is .040". That would put the top ring real close to the existing relief. I wonder how close you can get? Is there a suggested minimum for this spec? Rich Rock From klynch_6 at msn.com Wed Nov 10 13:44:27 2010 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:44:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2nd > Silvio DeBartolomeis Message-ID: Fred, I'll secondo quello! (will second that ... ) Kev Lynch #6 RMVR From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Nov 10 14:46:40 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:46:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rocker Arm Ratio? In-Reply-To: References: , <4CD972C6.2040500@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4CDB12C0.40906@pobox.com> All of my racing cams have more than .370 lift with fairly tight valve lash and no one has experienced a problem with the rings. My heads have been milled about 0.170. I use a round burr with about 1/4 inch diameter to make a curved rather than flat relief, so that it doesn't have to go as deep. -Larry On 11/10/2010 2:08 PM, Rich Rock wrote: > Thanks for all the excellent replies. Seems like the best way to know for > sure is to actually measure the rocker arms in question. > > The reason I'm trying to be so exact is that I am looking at the possibility > of installing roller rockers in place of the stock ones on some motors which > have oversize intake valves, fairly thin heads, steel shim gasket, not much > deck height and .370" lift at cam. All the things which combine to make for > valve clearance concerns, especially when it comes to the depth of the relief > in the liners on the intake valve side. > > With this cam, the difference in lift at the valve between a 1.42 ratio and a > 1.5 ratio rocker arm is .040". That would put the top ring real close to the > existing relief. I wonder how close you can get? Is there a suggested > minimum for this spec? > > Rich Rock > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From stlnyc at msn.com Wed Nov 10 20:24:34 2010 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:24:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spelling correction Message-ID: Silvio DeBartolomeis' e-mail is silvio at koelbelco.com, For some reason I put a "y" in his name. Fred Hodgson From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 15:37:41 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:37:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Anybody who was anybody raced a Triumph Message-ID: <0B4EE921-35AD-4740-B82B-2BA5DE0C5505@earthlink.net> FOT, As you all know, lots of great drivers began their racing careers in Triumphs. I'm working on the event poster for the upcoming Kastner Cup event. All along the edges of the poster will be names of every Triumph racer known to man. Will you please send me an email with a list of anybody you know or remember who piloted a Triumph and what car(s) they drove? I'm compiling a big list encompassing racers of all levels, from amateur to professional. Don't forget to include your own names. Please email me directly, rather than reply-all to FOT. I'll update the list with a compilation names / cars organized alphabetically. Thanks! ~Steve Belfer, TR3 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Nov 11 15:59:09 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Anybody who was anybody raced a Triumph In-Reply-To: <0B4EE921-35AD-4740-B82B-2BA5DE0C5505@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <295741305.31032.1289516349081.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> OK, ......Jim Gray, Triumph TR-4...that Gray with an A jg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "friends of triumph" Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 3:37:41 PM Subject: [Fot] Anybody who was anybody raced a Triumph FOT, As you all know, lots of great drivers began their racing careers in B Triumphs. I'm working on the event poster for the upcoming Kastner Cup event. B All along the edges of the poster will be names of every Triumph racer B known to man. Will you please send me an email with a list of anybody you know or B remember who piloted a Triumph and what car(s) they drove? I'm compiling a big list encompassing racers of all levels, from B amateur to professional. B Don't forget to include your own names. Please email me directly, rather than reply-all to FOT. B I'll update B the list with a compilation names / cars organized alphabetically. Thanks! ~Steve Belfer, TR3 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From koblinger at verizon.net Thu Nov 11 16:24:14 2010 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:24:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] Anybody who was anybody raced a Triumph Message-ID: <735564641.121238.1289517854692.JavaMail.root@vznit170078> From alfetta95 at optonline.net Thu Nov 11 17:04:00 2010 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:04:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] Anybody who was anybody raced a Triumph In-Reply-To: <0B4EE921-35AD-4740-B82B-2BA5DE0C5505@earthlink.net> References: <0B4EE921-35AD-4740-B82B-2BA5DE0C5505@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Steve, Charles S. Redmond, 1958 TR3A I am unable to attend the event but would love to get a copy of the poster. How would I go about getting one? Thanks in advance, Todd Redmond 1958 TR3A - Being Restored ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Belfer Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010 5:53 pm Subject: [Fot] Anybody who was anybody raced a Triumph To: friends of triumph > FOT, > > As you all know, lots of great drivers began their racing > careers in > Triumphs. > I'm working on the event poster for the upcoming Kastner Cup > event. > All along the edges of the poster will be names of every Triumph > racer > known to man. > Will you please send me an email with a list of anybody you know > or > remember who piloted a Triumph and what car(s) they drove? > > I'm compiling a big list encompassing racers of all levels, from > > amateur to professional. Don't forget to include your own names. > > Please email me directly, rather than reply-all to FOT. I'll > update > the list with a compilation names / cars organized alphabetically. > > > Thanks! > > > ~Steve Belfer, TR3 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net From billdentin at aol.com Thu Nov 11 19:11:36 2010 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:11:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> Amici... I would like to nominate John Hagen for membership in the Friends of Tirumph. John owns a '63 TVR Grandura and just purchased an SCCA prepared TR-4--Raced 1972-1977 by Mike Lampe. Have log book etc--premier Morgan pilot and ex-Peyote owner/driver, Pat Starr, said he should join FOT. I am hoping Pat and others will second this nomination. He his just beginning the restoration and looking forward to 2011. John Hagen is President of Vintage Sports Car Racing (Minnesota) VSCR 763-684-1617. His email address is: jkhagen at charter.net Bill Dentinger From budscars at comcast.net Thu Nov 11 19:50:26 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:50:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I second the nomination... Racer Bud Spitfire #21 Sonoma, CA. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 6:11 PM Subject: [Fot] Nomination > Amici... > > I would like to nominate John Hagen for membership in the Friends of > Tirumph. > John owns a '63 TVR Grandura and just purchased an SCCA prepared > TR-4--Raced > 1972-1977 by Mike Lampe. Have log book etc--premier Morgan pilot and > ex-Peyote > owner/driver, Pat Starr, said he should join FOT. I am hoping Pat and > others > will second this nomination. He his just beginning the restoration and > looking forward to 2011. John Hagen is President of Vintage Sports Car > Racing > (Minnesota) VSCR 763-684-1617. His email address is: > jkhagen at charter.net > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Nov 11 20:01:15 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:01:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD502D01336D28-12E8-6F4C@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> Excellent! John sent me a picture of his new acquisition and it looks great. John is also a candidate for an Ambro build. But has set that idea aside until he gets the TR4 on the track. No shortage of enthusiasm there. We welcome him on board. Joe Alexander PS: Get your order into Kas for his new book. He will start shipping in less than 10 days. Congratulations to Tony for being featured on on the front cover. kaskastner.com is the website. There is a bonus DVD that goes with the book. Great value, great quality. They were printed in IOWA so I was lucky enough to get an early copy right off the presses. -----Original Message----- From: billdentin at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 8:11 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination Amici... I would like to nominate John Hagen for membership in the Friends of Tirumph. John owns a '63 TVR Grandura and just purchased an SCCA prepared TR-4--Raced 1972-1977 by Mike Lampe. Have log book etc--premier Morgan pilot and ex-Peyote owner/driver, Pat Starr, said he should join FOT. I am hoping Pat and others will second this nomination. He his just beginning the restoration and looking forward to 2011. John Hagen is President of Vintage Sports Car Racing (Minnesota) VSCR 763-684-1617. His email address is: jkhagen at charter.net Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From starr001 at umn.edu Thu Nov 11 20:09:34 2010 From: starr001 at umn.edu (Patrick Starr) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:09:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] second for John Hagen Message-ID: John Hagen is an enthusiastic participant in Vintage racing and is the president of our VSCR club in the Twin Cities area. He has Triumph history with a TR6 and will now join us with an old SCCA TR4 that he is restoring for 2011. I second his nomination. Pat Starr From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Nov 11 22:44:33 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:44:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] INTENT TO ENTER LAGUNA SECA 2ND REQUEST In-Reply-To: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> References: <1d40d5.6461087a.3a09a2b6@cs.com> Message-ID: <20101112054407.13A7718765D@autox.team.net> I responded privately, but thought I'd throw it out publicly too - I'm planning to attend. Not sure about the race before the race, though. Would prefer a race AFTER the big Triumph event to have the best chance of a still running car at Seca. - Tony Drews At 01:00 PM 11/8/2010, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: >FOT > >The first request yielded a number approaching 35 cars. > >I'd like to clean up the rest of them in the next few days for meetings >next week. > >Please take a moment. > >It looks like 100% attendance by the available past Kastner Cup recipents. > >Folks in Colorado, and points east are looking for car haulers.......... > >Thanks, > >Joe A >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From billdentin at aol.com Thu Nov 11 19:16:10 2010 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:16:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Anybody who was anybody raced a Triumph In-Reply-To: <0B4EE921-35AD-4740-B82B-2BA5DE0C5505@earthlink.net> References: <0B4EE921-35AD-4740-B82B-2BA5DE0C5505@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CD5026B5162FF4-1514-373B@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> For sure it should include: The Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team (in all its glory): Mike Belfer, 1963 Triumph TR3B, Don Brick, 1962 Triumph TR4, Bill Dentinger 1956 Triumph TR3, and Bob Wismer, 1962 Triumph TR4. Bill Dentinger From ac at camoletti.ch Fri Nov 12 01:54:28 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:54:28 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CD502D01336D28-12E8-6F4C@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> <8CD502D01336D28-12E8-6F4C@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001d01cb8247$37a8a840$a6f9f8c0$@camoletti.ch> A warm welcome to John Hagen! Looks like he will be another great contributor and enthusiast! -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de n197tr4 at cs.com Envoyi : vendredi 12 novembre 2010 04:01 @ : billdentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc : jkhagen at charter.net Objet : Re: [Fot] Nomination Excellent! John sent me a picture of his new acquisition and it looks great. John is also a candidate for an Ambro build. But has set that idea aside until he gets the TR4 on the track. No shortage of enthusiasm there. We welcome him on board. Joe Alexander PS: Get your order into Kas for his new book. He will start shipping in less than 10 days. Congratulations to Tony for being featured on on the front cover. kaskastner.com is the website. There is a bonus DVD that goes with the book. Great value, great quality. They were printed in IOWA so I was lucky enough to get an early copy right off the presses. -----Original Message----- From: billdentin at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 8:11 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination Amici... I would like to nominate John Hagen for membership in the Friends of Tirumph. John owns a '63 TVR Grandura and just purchased an SCCA prepared TR-4--Raced 1972-1977 by Mike Lampe. Have log book etc--premier Morgan pilot and ex-Peyote owner/driver, Pat Starr, said he should join FOT. I am hoping Pat and others will second this nomination. He his just beginning the restoration and looking forward to 2011. John Hagen is President of Vintage Sports Car Racing (Minnesota) VSCR 763-684-1617. His email address is: jkhagen at charter.net Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 08:58:01 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:58:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: FW: pics of TR-Spits/7's/ MGs Message-ID: Location is eastern N.C. Any questions you have I will try to answer ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Pictures of the cars Link To FLICKR Page With Photos Of Triumphs & MG's http://www.flickr.com/photos/55832223 at N03/sets/72157625367831036/ From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 09:06:36 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:06:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: FW: pics of TR-Spits/7's/ MGs Message-ID: I will try to answer any questions if I can this is the second try ..don't know if the first made it 69 cars in all Link To FLICKR Page With Photos Of Triumphs & MG's http://www.flickr.com/photos/55832223 at N03/sets/72157625367831036/ From jhouathome at aol.com Fri Nov 12 09:17:51 2010 From: jhouathome at aol.com (jhouathome at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:17:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD509C49BE9F7F-22B4-CCB0@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> John is an excelent guy who I have known for years. Great Triumph enthusiast, passionate vintage racer, adn an outstanding human being. Great addition to our list. Can't believe he hasn't been a part of it for years! John -----Original Message----- From: billdentin To: fot Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 8:40 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination Amici... I would like to nominate John Hagen for membership in the Friends of Tirumph. ohn owns a '63 TVR Grandura and just purchased an SCCA prepared TR-4--Raced 972-1977 by Mike Lampe. Have log book etc--premier Morgan pilot and ex-Peyote wner/driver, Pat Starr, said he should join FOT. I am hoping Pat and others ill second this nomination. He his just beginning the restoration and ooking forward to 2011. John Hagen is President of Vintage Sports Car Racing Minnesota) VSCR 763-684-1617. His email address is: jkhagen at charter.net Bill Dentinger ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com From jhouathome at aol.com Fri Nov 12 09:17:49 2010 From: jhouathome at aol.com (jhouathome at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:17:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD502610592714-1514-3698@Webmail-m125.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD509C46B1DC7F-22B4-CCA9@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> John is an excelent guy who I have known for years. Great Triumph enthusiast, passionate vintage racer, adn an outstanding human being. Great addition to our list. Can't believe he hasn't been a part of it for years! John -----Original Message----- From: billdentin To: fot Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 8:40 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination Amici... I would like to nominate John Hagen for membership in the Friends of Tirumph. ohn owns a '63 TVR Grandura and just purchased an SCCA prepared TR-4--Raced 972-1977 by Mike Lampe. Have log book etc--premier Morgan pilot and ex-Peyote wner/driver, Pat Starr, said he should join FOT. I am hoping Pat and others ill second this nomination. He his just beginning the restoration and ooking forward to 2011. John Hagen is President of Vintage Sports Car Racing Minnesota) VSCR 763-684-1617. His email address is: jkhagen at charter.net Bill Dentinger ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 09:25:51 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:25:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRs/Spits/7's/MGs photos Message-ID: Pictures of 69 cars that need homes!? I will try to answer ant questions http://www.flickr.com/photos/55832223 at n03/sets/72157625367831036/ rob deanes TR Racer From bownes at seiri.com Fri Nov 12 10:22:07 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:22:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRs/Spits/7's/MGs photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Let's start with what state are they in? Thanks! Bob On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Robert Deanes wrote: > Pictures of 69 cars that need homes!? > I will try to answer ant questions > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55832223 at n03/sets/72157625367831036/ > > > > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 10:54:36 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:54:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRs/Spits/7's/MGs photos In-Reply-To: <13C7484D-EC36-4781-AA07-3F8ADF83B4D5@charter.net> References: <13C7484D-EC36-4781-AA07-3F8ADF83B4D5@charter.net> Message-ID: Yes, you would think they came from the beach ! some especially the MGs took a beating and TRs not far behind rob On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Jerry Barr wrote: > The place looks like British Sportscar hell. > On Nov 12, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Robert Deanes wrote: > > > Pictures of 69 cars that need homes!? > > I will try to answer ant questions > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55832223 at n03/sets/72157625367831036/ > > > > > > > > rob deanes > > TR Racer > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 10:56:40 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:56:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRs/Spits/7's/MGs photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: These cars are in Eastern N.C. just off I- 95 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:22 PM, robert bownes wrote: > Let's start with what state are they in? > > Thanks! > Bob > > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Robert Deanes wrote: > >> Pictures of 69 cars that need homes!? >> I will try to answer ant questions >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/55832223 at n03/sets/72157625367831036/ >> >> >> >> rob deanes >> TR Racer >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Nov 13 08:50:41 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:50:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing just adopted the 1981 GCR References: <1227430726.901887.1289347872921.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: That is very interesting and if this is a trend that other racing clubs pick up on it'll add a new dynamic to our racing. One of the nicer concepts of vintage racing is that we are or were all supposed to be building our cars to a point in time, with period correct parts. When we got together from the far reaches we can have at it with pretty comparable cars. If RMVR is going to push a Mikuni'd carbureted, fiberglassed fendered MGB into GT-1 and it means that the productiuon classes are going to be purer to that point in time, than I think these new classes are a good thing. I race in CVAR and we don't have issues with declining registrations so I don't see us adding to the years of eligibility any time soon. We do have the same problem that many clubs have with cars that are built well beyond the club's rules, which in our case is the 1972 GCR. In reading the RMVR webpage it was clear that both declining attendance and figuring out what to do with cars that were built to a modern standard drove their decision to add the 1981 classes. When I started I saw the firm rules as a good way to have competitive racing while being able to control the effects of throwing dollars at the cars. I started with a 5 grand TR3. I couldn't have afforded to go racing any other way. There was only so much you could do with the 1972 technology. I've been at it for fifteen years now and unfortunately the state of vintage racing these days has changed. Now we have 10,000 rpm / $10,000.00 motors in small bore cars all over the place. I guess those guys would want to go to GT-1 with their cars too. Then they can put on flares and slicks to match the rest of the car. I see this as a good outcome. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: Bob Kramer Cc: Mark Pendergrass ; N197TR4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing just adopted the 1981 GCR. The hope is to attract cars that are no longer competetive in SCCA/NASA but not elegible for current vintage rules and get them on track again. We have our own exceptions to the '81 GCR but not many. '81 GCR cars will have thier own classification such as DP-1, HP-1, etc. For cars that don't fit at all we have an exhibition class which people are allowed to race twice a year. As an example of the differences between clubs, TR-4's in RMVR don't get to run Webers but the Spridgets and MG's do. Hence my " cheater" mikunis. If I had it my way there would be a 2.5L FPF Coventry Climax in mine. From rwestfall at ymail.com Sat Nov 13 10:01:57 2010 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:01:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Nomination Message-ID: <690559.45783.qm@web59912.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 11/13/10, Russell Westfall wrote: From: Russell Westfall Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination To: "RACER BUD" Date: Saturday, November 13, 2010, 4:49 PM I would second or third the nomination of John Hagen. John and I have talked and we are interested in increasing the Triumph presence in vintage racing here in the frozen Tundra of Minnesota. I know that John will be a great asset to our group. I'm glad to have a new member so close.Russ WestfallTR4 --- On Fri, 11/12/10, RACER BUD wrote: From: RACER BUD Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination To: fot at autox.team.net, billdentin at aol.com Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 2:50 AM I second the nomination... Racer Bud Spitfire #21 Sonoma, CA. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 6:11 PM Subject: [Fot] Nomination > Amici... > > I would like to nominate John Hagen for membership in the Friends of Tirumph. > John owns a '63 TVR Grandura and just purchased an SCCA prepared TR-4--Raced > 1972-1977 by Mike Lampe. Have log book etc--premier Morgan pilot and ex-Peyote > owner/driver, Pat Starr, said he should join FOT. I am hoping Pat and others > will second this nomination. He his just beginning the restoration and > looking forward to 2011. John Hagen is President of Vintage Sports Car Racing > (Minnesota) VSCR 763-684-1617. His email address is: jkhagen at charter.net > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Sat Nov 13 20:28:30 2010 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:28:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Message-ID: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them after blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built new hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. Any imput would be great. Thanks Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Nov 13 22:08:31 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 23:08:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20101114050808.36262187645@autox.team.net> Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >after >blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From spitlist at cox.net Sat Nov 13 23:43:57 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 23:43:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <20101114050808.36262187645@autox.team.net> References: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20101114050808.36262187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Has anybody ever put a remote oil filter between the engine and the input of the oil cooler to prevent klag from getting into the cooler? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:09 PM To: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >after >blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Sun Nov 14 00:39:06 2010 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:39:06 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Throw it out you cannot guarantee to get all metal out , good insurance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Mehl" To: "Triumph Friends of" Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:28 PM Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be > accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them > after > blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built > new > hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. > Any imput would be great. > > Thanks > Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Nov 14 03:29:42 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:29:42 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <107129.17129.qm@web46107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901cb83e6$db0b51e0$9121f5a0$@com> Don't you guys run oil filters? I never did care about my oil coolers and hoses after an engine blow, bearing wear or something else. I never got debris from the cooler back into the engine, or better said it all accumulated in the filter. The debris size blocked by the filter is around 0.0001968" and after some use the filter blocks smaller sizes until the filter gets blocked for oil flow. I don't think that debris in the cooler would do any harm to the engine if a proper filter is installed and the oil pump won't complain about I suppose. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mike Mehl Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. November 2010 04:29 An: Triumph Friends of Betreff: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them after blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built new hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. Any imput would be great. Thanks Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From igofaster at att.net Sun Nov 14 08:17:03 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 07:17:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] when I grow up I want to be just like... In-Reply-To: References: <1227430726.901887.1289347872921.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <832229.46710.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bob Kramer.... Mikuni carburetors??? I have NO IDEA what you are referring to...... Don't worry... I'm going to build two manifolds for BOTH setups... just got the cars (TR6-GT6-Spitfire) situated yesterday. I think I'll send my SU's to Joe Curto... isn't that his name... the king of SU's? I've got the receipt where Bob Davis had them built years back. I'm going to ask him about the miss-matched jet issue and see if I can get a selection of needles and jets that I can play with. I have to say,with deep sincerity, your commitment to our marque and your patience and guidance (and loaner parts) with everyone in our little Texas Triumph F.o.T. camp at T.W.S. last weekend was very much appreciated. It kind of reminded me of a dad hoovering over all his kids making sure our bicycles were safe and our wheels wouldn't fall off. Although I didn't get in but two laps this past weekend fiddling with carburetors once again, the camaraderie and the friendships built and lasting, truly is as much fun and enjoyment as the actual racing. Thanks Bob ... honored to be your friend and running buddy.. Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Nov 14 09:20:19 2010 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:20:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E729AB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <> Yes, I do, as I'm sure lots of people do. It theoretically will catch all the scrap, but I always wonder whether the filter might clog and open the by-pass. I replace the cooler. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: 'Tony Drews' ; 'Mike Mehl' ; 'Triumph Friends of' Sent: Sun Nov 14 00:43:57 2010 Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Has anybody ever put a remote oil filter between the engine and the input of the oil cooler to prevent klag from getting into the cooler? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:09 PM To: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >after >blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 14 09:21:22 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:21:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] when I grow up I want to be just like... References: <1227430726.901887.1289347872921.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <832229.46710.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <88DA0F56B78E4A76BBBD235AE075D603@latitudefb1e41> Don't let my purist attitude toward SU's put you off. I believe there is room in most vintage organizations for all the various approaches and the run groups should be set up to deal with the realities of the way guys want to run their cars. I wish CVAR would set up another tier of rules at 1981 because that would allow the guys that we run with that want to, or have already taken it to a higher, more modern level a chance to do it legally and give the rest of us a better excuse for being slow! Our grids are mostly made up of cars built for vintage racing, not historic cars. Those cars go to the bigger festival events. It was cool to see that Cobra Daytona Coupe racing around Watkins Glen a few years ago and even cooler to be racing with some historic iron, but it is no longer the vintage racing norm for most of us. Consider that a plug to plan to go to Laguna Seca and see some rare cars. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: Bob Kramer Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 9:17 AM Subject: when I grow up I want to be just like... Bob Kramer.... Mikuni carburetors??? I have NO IDEA what you are referring to...... Don't worry... I'm going to build two manifolds for BOTH setups... just got the cars (TR6-GT6-Spitfire) situated yesterday. I think I'll send my SU's to Joe Curto... isn't that his name... the king of SU's? I've got the receipt where Bob Davis had them built years back. I'm going to ask him about the miss-matched jet issue and see if I can get a selection of needles and jets that I can play with. I have to say,with deep sincerity, your commitment to our marque and your patience and guidance (and loaner parts) with everyone in our little Texas Triumph F.o.T. camp at T.W.S. last weekend was very much appreciated. It kind of reminded me of a dad hoovering over all his kids making sure our bicycles were safe and our wheels wouldn't fall off. Although I didn't get in but two laps this past weekend fiddling with carburetors once again, the camaraderie and the friendships built and lasting, truly is as much fun and enjoyment as the actual racing. Thanks Bob ... honored to be your friend and running buddy.. Bobby Whitehead ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Nov 14 10:17:28 2010 From: fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:17:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning- testing the cooler In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E729AB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E729AB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CD5236F27A313D-18C8-186D2@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> I have an oil cooler testing tool, the pointy end of a nasty old chipping hammer... HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: spitlist ; tony ; mike.mehl ; fot Sent: Sun, Nov 14, 2010 11:40 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning <> Yes, I do, as I'm sure lots of people do. It theoretically will catch all the scrap, but I always wonder whether the filter might clog and open the by-pass. I replace the cooler. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: 'Tony Drews' ; 'Mike Mehl' ; 'Triumph Friends of' Sent: Sun Nov 14 00:43:57 2010 Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Has anybody ever put a remote oil filter between the engine and the input of the oil cooler to prevent klag from getting into the cooler? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:09 PM To: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >after >blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From jfrymark at aol.com Sun Nov 14 11:19:50 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:19:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Message-ID: <179D70A0-3471-4F99-AE6A-B0C70845AA8F@aol.com> Several regional Transit /Bus operators clean coolers (transmission and oil) using immersion in an ultrasonic tank while flushing filtered cleaning solution through. This is the only method I would rely on for routine cleaning. But after a grenaded engine, it's best to just get a new cooler. John Frymark From oldspeed72 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 14 12:36:46 2010 From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com (oldspeed72 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 19:36:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning- testing the cooler Message-ID: I donate mine to the local MG club ------Original Message------ From: Fubog1 Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: mike.mehl at yahoo.com To: FOT LIST Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning- testing the cooler Sent: Nov 14, 2010 11:17 AM I have an oil cooler testing tool, the pointy end of a nasty old chipping hammer... HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: spitlist ; tony ; mike.mehl ; fot Sent: Sun, Nov 14, 2010 11:40 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning <> Yes, I do, as I'm sure lots of people do. It theoretically will catch all the scrap, but I always wonder whether the filter might clog and open the by-pass. I replace the cooler. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: 'Tony Drews' ; 'Mike Mehl' ; 'Triumph Friends of' Sent: Sun Nov 14 00:43:57 2010 Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Has anybody ever put a remote oil filter between the engine and the input of the oil cooler to prevent klag from getting into the cooler? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:09 PM To: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >after >blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/oldspeed72 at yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Sun Nov 14 12:47:33 2010 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:47:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Message-ID: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> You all confirmed my thoughts. I will add it to the other one on the shelf and hope I don't expand my collection. I will order another one. I took apart my accusump and cleaned it and will puck the hoses. We have a system to shoot a puck (like an ear plug) through hoses to clean them after assembly. I did like one comment that suggested donating it to the MG club. Thanks all. Mike Mehl ________________________________ From: Tony Drews To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph Friends of Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:08:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >after >blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Nov 14 12:59:09 2010 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:59:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E729AB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401E729AB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <001e01cb8436$66c83b90$3458b2b0$@rr.com> Folks, I have lurked on the sidelines and watched this thread. Is the savings of $100 worth risking an engine? Think how much that engine cost and realize you may also lose your entry fee for a race weekend when that lump croaks. Still a bargain? Okay, I offer the following.......I have two coolers that have been contaminated in the past sitting on a shelf. I offer these for free to anyone who competes against my Spitfire in the Northeast. I am even willing to provide a Guinness for you when you become a forced spectator with a dead engine. There are a number of pretty well experienced racers who have expressed facts, listen to them. My offer stands. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 (VARAC & VRG) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 11:20 AM To: spitlist at cox.net; tony at tonydrews.com; mike.mehl at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning <> Yes, I do, as I'm sure lots of people do. It theoretically will catch all the scrap, but I always wonder whether the filter might clog and open the by-pass. I replace the cooler. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: 'Tony Drews' ; 'Mike Mehl' ; 'Triumph Friends of' Sent: Sun Nov 14 00:43:57 2010 Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Has anybody ever put a remote oil filter between the engine and the input of the oil cooler to prevent klag from getting into the cooler? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:09 PM To: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >after >blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From billb at bnj.com Sun Nov 14 13:36:15 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:36:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Before you spend the bucks to replace that oil cooler, try running without it for awhile. If your oil temperature isn't getting too high, and your water temperature doesn't need the help, then let it go until you see a condition where it looks like it might help. I've stopped fitting oil coolers just by rote. Peyote still has one, mostly because it's there and the engine oil temp gets about right in the longer races--230-240. My new street TR3 hot rod won't have one unless it needs it, and neither will the AMBRO. I think with these wet sump engines that making sure the engine oil gets above 212 is a good thing. Cleans the mayo out of the oil. On Nov 14, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Mike Mehl wrote: > You all confirmed my thoughts. I will add it to the other one on the shelf > and > hope I don't expand my collection. I will order another one. I took > apart my > accusump and cleaned it and will puck the hoses. We have a system > to shoot a > puck (like an ear plug) through hoses to clean them after > assembly. > > > I did like one comment that suggested donating it to the MG > club. > > Thanks all. > > Mike Mehl > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Tony > Drews > To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph > Friends of > Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:08:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > Compare the price of a new oil cooler > with the price of a new > motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take > a chance to > save a hundred or two $. > > Seems a shame to throw away a new > cooler, but they are virtually > impossible to get completely clean, > unfortunately. > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >> Since > this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >> accumulating > Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >> after >> blowing > and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >> new >> hoses > too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >> Any imput > would be great. >> >> Thanks >> Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From kaskas at cox.net Sun Nov 14 14:22:06 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:22:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've said before, oil at 225 makes more power by far than at 180 or so. When in the old days and my TR-3 in about 5-7 laps the oil got to 300 and as we were not allowed to have oil coolers, I did the next best thing, I took out the gauge. Never made a bit of difference in longevity, and gave me peace of mind. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Babcock" Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 12:36 PM To: "Mike Mehl" Cc: "Triumph Friends of" Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > Before you spend the bucks to replace that oil cooler, try running without > it > for awhile. If your oil temperature isn't getting too high, and your water > temperature doesn't need the help, then let it go until you see a > condition > where it looks like it might help. I've stopped fitting oil coolers just > by > rote. Peyote still has one, mostly because it's there and the engine oil > temp > gets about right in the longer races--230-240. > > My new street TR3 hot rod won't have one unless it needs it, and neither > will > the AMBRO. > > I think with these wet sump engines that making sure the engine oil gets > above > 212 is a good thing. Cleans the mayo out of the oil. > > On Nov 14, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Mike Mehl wrote: > >> You all confirmed my thoughts. I will add it to the other one on the >> shelf >> and >> hope I don't expand my collection. I will order another one. I took >> apart my >> accusump and cleaned it and will puck the hoses. We have a system >> to shoot a >> puck (like an ear plug) through hoses to clean them after >> assembly. >> >> >> I did like one comment that suggested donating it to the MG >> club. >> >> Thanks all. >> >> Mike Mehl >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Tony >> Drews >> To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph >> Friends of >> Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:08:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning >> >> Compare the price of a new oil cooler >> with the price of a new >> motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take >> a chance to >> save a hundred or two $. >> >> Seems a shame to throw away a new >> cooler, but they are virtually >> impossible to get completely clean, >> unfortunately. >> >> - Tony Drews >> >> At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >>> Since >> this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >>> accumulating >> Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >>> after >>> blowing >> and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >>> new >>> hoses >> too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >>> Any imput >> would be great. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Mike Mehl #46 TR4 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From wes at hsrca.org.au Sun Nov 14 14:32:00 2010 From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:32:00 +1100 Subject: [Fot] when I grow up I want to be just like... In-Reply-To: <832229.46710.qm@web180816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Seeing the subject line on this note reminded me of a lovely little story about a conversation between Father and Son: Son: "Dad, when I grow up I want to be a racing car driver". Dad: "Sorry son, but you can't do both". Wes On 15/11/10 2:17 AM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > Bob Kramer.... > > Mikuni carburetors??? I have NO IDEA what you are referring to...... > > Don't worry... I'm going to build two manifolds for BOTH setups... just got > the > cars (TR6-GT6-Spitfire) situated yesterday. I think I'll send my SU's to Joe > Curto... isn't that his name... the king of SU's? I've got the receipt where > Bob > Davis had them built years back. I'm going to ask him about the miss-matched > jet > issue and see if I can get a selection of needles and jets that I can play > with. > > I have to say,with deep sincerity, your commitment to our marque and your > patience and guidance (and loaner parts) with everyone in our little Texas > Triumph F.o.T. camp at T.W.S. last weekend was very much appreciated. It kind > of > reminded me of a dad hoovering over all his kids making sure our bicycles were > safe and our wheels wouldn't fall off. > > Although I didn't get in but two laps this past weekend fiddling with > carburetors once again, the camaraderie and the friendships built and lasting, > truly is as much fun and enjoyment as the actual racing. > Thanks Bob ... honored to be your friend and running buddy.. > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wes at hsrca.org.au From spitlist at cox.net Sun Nov 14 15:26:52 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:26:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kas, I guess in this case, "Ignorance really is BLISS"! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:22 PM To: Bill Babcock; Mike Mehl Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning I've said before, oil at 225 makes more power by far than at 180 or so. When in the old days and my TR-3 in about 5-7 laps the oil got to 300 and as we were not allowed to have oil coolers, I did the next best thing, I took out the gauge. Never made a bit of difference in longevity, and gave me peace of mind. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Nov 14 16:18:17 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:18:17 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001cb8452$39abb490$ad031db0$@com> I never had an oil temp gauge in my car. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Joe Curry Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. November 2010 23:27 An: 'Kas Kastner'; 'Bill Babcock'; 'Mike Mehl' Cc: 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Kas, I guess in this case, "Ignorance really is BLISS"! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:22 PM To: Bill Babcock; Mike Mehl Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning I've said before, oil at 225 makes more power by far than at 180 or so. When in the old days and my TR-3 in about 5-7 laps the oil got to 300 and as we were not allowed to have oil coolers, I did the next best thing, I took out the gauge. Never made a bit of difference in longevity, and gave me peace of mind. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Nov 14 16:41:44 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:41:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CD526CA1581219-1950-1B006@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com> i took ours out a long time ago....temps seemed too low most of the time. ambro doesnt have one either. btw, i took 89 through Sedona this morning and had a conversation with an Officer PEYOTE. I told him he had a car named after him. he laughed and let me go. in Caifornia now -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock To: Mike Mehl Cc: Triumph Friends of Sent: Sun, Nov 14, 2010 2:36 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Before you spend the bucks to replace that oil cooler, try running without it for awhile. If your oil temperature isn't getting too high, and your water temperature doesn't need the help, then let it go until you see a condition where it looks like it might help. I've stopped fitting oil coolers just by rote. Peyote still has one, mostly because it's there and the engine oil temp gets about right in the longer races--230-240. My new street TR3 hot rod won't have one unless it needs it, and neither will the AMBRO. I think with these wet sump engines that making sure the engine oil gets above 212 is a good thing. Cleans the mayo out of the oil. On Nov 14, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Mike Mehl wrote: > You all confirmed my thoughts. I will add it to the other one on the shelf > and > hope I don't expand my collection. I will order another one. I took > apart my > accusump and cleaned it and will puck the hoses. We have a system > to shoot a > puck (like an ear plug) through hoses to clean them after > assembly. > > > I did like one comment that suggested donating it to the MG > club. > > Thanks all. > > Mike Mehl > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Tony > Drews > To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph > Friends of > Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:08:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > Compare the price of a new oil cooler > with the price of a new > motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take > a chance to > save a hundred or two $. > > Seems a shame to throw away a new > cooler, but they are virtually > impossible to get completely clean, > unfortunately. > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >> Since > this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >> accumulating > Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >> after >> blowing > and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >> new >> hoses > too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >> Any imput > would be great. >> >> Thanks >> Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From budscars at comcast.net Sun Nov 14 16:44:51 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:44:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <000001cb8452$39abb490$ad031db0$@com> Message-ID: <964B808DFF4248AAB7AF2B5B84B7F440@Bud> oil temp gauges are good to have to be sure your oil is warmed up enough in cold weather... RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning >I never had an oil temp gauge in my car. > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Joe Curry > Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. November 2010 23:27 > An: 'Kas Kastner'; 'Bill Babcock'; 'Mike Mehl' > Cc: 'Triumph Friends of' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > Kas, > I guess in this case, "Ignorance really is BLISS"! :) > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Kas Kastner > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:22 PM > To: Bill Babcock; Mike Mehl > Cc: Triumph Friends of > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > I've said before, oil at 225 makes more power by far than at 180 or so. > When > > in the old days and my TR-3 in about 5-7 laps the oil got to 300 and as we > were not allowed to have oil coolers, I did the next best thing, I took > out > the gauge. Never made a bit of difference in longevity, and gave me > peace > of mind. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Nov 14 17:21:55 2010 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 19:21:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CD526CA1581219-1950-1B006@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com> References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CD526CA1581219-1950-1B006@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I remember back when I worked at an import shop that had a lot of VW customers. The original VW GTIs, and all the Rabbits really, ran veryk high oil temps from the factory and it was never an issue. With modern synthetic oils, or blends thereof, 220F oil temps are simple a non issue, IMHO. As to what to do with a cooler after an engine failure? Toss 'em. Sacrificing a multi thousand dollar race engine for a hundred odd dollar oil cooler makes no sense to me. Terry Stetler From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 14 18:44:48 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 19:44:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801cb8466$b069b780$113d2680$@rr.com> My TR3 has been run more times with the oil cooler blocked than not. I can't get the oil over 180 with the air flowing through the cooler. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:36 PM To: Mike Mehl Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Before you spend the bucks to replace that oil cooler, try running without it for awhile. If your oil temperature isn't getting too high, and your water temperature doesn't need the help, then let it go until you see a condition where it looks like it might help. I've stopped fitting oil coolers just by rote. Peyote still has one, mostly because it's there and the engine oil temp gets about right in the longer races--230-240. My new street TR3 hot rod won't have one unless it needs it, and neither will the AMBRO. I think with these wet sump engines that making sure the engine oil gets above 212 is a good thing. Cleans the mayo out of the oil. On Nov 14, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Mike Mehl wrote: > You all confirmed my thoughts. I will add it to the other one on the shelf > and > hope I don't expand my collection. I will order another one. I took > apart my > accusump and cleaned it and will puck the hoses. We have a system > to shoot a > puck (like an ear plug) through hoses to clean them after > assembly. > > > I did like one comment that suggested donating it to the MG > club. > > Thanks all. > > Mike Mehl > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Tony > Drews > To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph > Friends of > Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:08:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > Compare the price of a new oil cooler > with the price of a new > motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take > a chance to > save a hundred or two $. > > Seems a shame to throw away a new > cooler, but they are virtually > impossible to get completely clean, > unfortunately. > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >> Since > this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >> accumulating > Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them >> after >> blowing > and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built >> new >> hoses > too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >> Any imput > would be great. >> >> Thanks >> Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From horizonracing at msn.com Sun Nov 14 19:21:51 2010 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:21:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike Yes, By all means get a new oil cooler if it is Reg. size and available. I have in the Past had Dry sump oil tanks and "special" Coolers/thermostats cleaned by "Lanfried Ultra sonic cleaning service' Carson, Ca. The FAA approve these guys to clean coolers Etc. IT's been a while since I have used them, So I don't know the current costs. best of Luck Tony > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:47:33 -0800 > From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com > To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > You all confirmed my thoughts. I will add it to the other one on the shelf > and > hope I don't expand my collection. I will order another one. I took > apart my > accusump and cleaned it and will puck the hoses. We have a system > to shoot a > puck (like an ear plug) through hoses to clean them after > assembly. > > > I did like one comment that suggested donating it to the MG > club. > > Thanks all. > > Mike Mehl > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Tony > Drews > To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph > Friends of > Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:08:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > Compare the price of a new oil cooler > with the price of a new > motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take > a chance to > save a hundred or two $. > > Seems a shame to throw away a new > cooler, but they are virtually > impossible to get completely clean, > unfortunately. > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: > >Since > this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be > >accumulating > Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them > >after > >blowing > and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built > >new > >hoses > too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. > >Any imput > would be great. > > > >Thanks > >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From horizonracing at msn.com Sun Nov 14 19:22:04 2010 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:22:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike Yes, By all means get a new oil cooler if it is Reg. size and available. I have in the Past had Dry sump oil tanks and "special" Coolers/thermostats cleaned by "Lanfried Ultra sonic cleaning service' Carson, Ca. The FAA approve these guys to clean coolers Etc. IT's been a while since I have used them, So I don't know the current costs. best of Luck Tony > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:47:33 -0800 > From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com > To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > You all confirmed my thoughts. I will add it to the other one on the shelf > and > hope I don't expand my collection. I will order another one. I took > apart my > accusump and cleaned it and will puck the hoses. We have a system > to shoot a > puck (like an ear plug) through hoses to clean them after > assembly. > > > I did like one comment that suggested donating it to the MG > club. > > Thanks all. > > Mike Mehl > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Tony > Drews > To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph > Friends of > Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:08:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > > Compare the price of a new oil cooler > with the price of a new > motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take > a chance to > save a hundred or two $. > > Seems a shame to throw away a new > cooler, but they are virtually > impossible to get completely clean, > unfortunately. > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: > >Since > this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be > >accumulating > Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean them > >after > >blowing > and engine or should I spend the money with a new one. I built > >new > >hoses > too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. > >Any imput > would be great. > > > >Thanks > >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From smockracer at charter.net Sun Nov 14 19:35:29 2010 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:35:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Message-ID: <0E40F4E79EEE4823B3B9A4F9919BFA1E@fred> ----- Original Message ----- From: MORDY DUNST To: Paul Smock ; John Nikas Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Paul... I added a few lines What do you think? --------------------------------------- Car appearance and presentation will be a very important aspect to our event with the Historic Motor Sports Association at Laguna Seca. With this in mind we will need current pictures of your car. We would highly recommend 3/4Front and 3/4 Rear accompanied with a very short BIO on your car and driver. Your car has to be approved. You must be currently configured to your home Vintage Motor Club's rules and have a Log Book. Send (non returnable) pictures to Paul Smock 2439 Monogram Ave. Long Beach,Ca. 90815 Phone #562 221 4121. Jpeg images are also acceptable as long as the file size is between 500 to 700 KB. These may be sent to smockracer at charter.net For more information about the Venue and the Historic Motor Sports Association visit the following links. http://www.hmsausa.com http://www.mazdaraceway.com/ . From smockracer at charter.net Sun Nov 14 19:35:29 2010 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:35:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Message-ID: <3AB1537ED1D44C3EA70E1158991104E8@fred> ----- Original Message ----- From: MORDY DUNST To: Paul Smock ; John Nikas Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Paul... I added a few lines What do you think? --------------------------------------- Car appearance and presentation will be a very important aspect to our event with the Historic Motor Sports Association at Laguna Seca. With this in mind we will need current pictures of your car. We would highly recommend 3/4Front and 3/4 Rear accompanied with a very short BIO on your car and driver. Your car has to be approved. You must be currently configured to your home Vintage Motor Club's rules and have a Log Book. Send (non returnable) pictures to Paul Smock 2439 Monogram Ave. Long Beach,Ca. 90815 Phone #562 221 4121. Jpeg images are also acceptable as long as the file size is between 500 to 700 KB. These may be sent to smockracer at charter.net For more information about the Venue and the Historic Motor Sports Association visit the following links. http://www.hmsausa.com http://www.mazdaraceway.com/ . From klynch_6 at msn.com Sun Nov 14 20:49:03 2010 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:49:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Message-ID: Let's see... 'pretentious'...that's the word! jus sayin'. One might think we run around in a bunch of 'crap wagons'!? #6 From cwnfot at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 06:32:23 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:32:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003501cb84c9$89fbe1f0$9df3a5d0$@com> Reminds me of the 1979 SCCA Runoffs at Road Atlanta. Steve Johnson showed up on the FP race grid in his Spitfire with all the gauges covered with duct tape. He went on to win the race and the championship. I seem to remember his engine was put together from a collection of parts from several engines that week. I don't remember if I took a photo or if the image is burned into my memory! His victory lap photo was used in a British Leyland magazine advertisement. Last I knew Steve is retired in the Caribbean somewhere. Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." -----Original Message----- Kas, I guess in this case, "Ignorance really is BLISS"! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- I've said before, oil at 225 makes more power by far than at 180 or so. When in the old days and my TR-3 in about 5-7 laps the oil got to 300 and as we were not allowed to have oil coolers, I did the next best thing, I took out the gauge. Never made a bit of difference in longevity, and gave me peace of mind. Kas From gasket.works at verizon.net Mon Nov 15 08:21:27 2010 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:21:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup References: Message-ID: <002201cb84d8$c6cd0b40$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Kevin; There have been some comments that some cars need some cleaning up. MINE INCLUDED!~!~!~ can you imagine? Paul Smock has been designated as our Laguna Seca "Kas Cup" arbitrator with HMSA regarding these issues. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 7:49 PM Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup > Let's see... 'pretentious'...that's the word! > > jus sayin'. > One might think we run around in a bunch of 'crap wagons'!? > > #6 From jason at multivintage.com Mon Nov 15 08:44:45 2010 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:44:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca Message-ID: Kastner Cupers, OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA or not. My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed 1972 specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to race in any group. How will this all pan out? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car starting in1971) Brookfield IL From klynch_6 at msn.com Mon Nov 15 09:15:53 2010 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:15:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <002201cb84d8$c6cd0b40$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> References: <002201cb84d8$c6cd0b40$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: Sorry Mordy, just rubbed me the wrong way. Am glad that you have some "Don't Tread/Judge on Me' liaison in place. This is the very thing that keeps the 'common man' (driving 1500+ miles) from fulfilling one for his 'common' bucket list. I just hope Mordy, FOT can negotiate around this needless pomposity. This ain't 'Housewives of Carmel Valley'! So my apologies gang, it's just how I feel about it. Let me just get situated on top of the dunking pool here, You may fire when ready... #6 Subprime Vintage Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: MORDY DUNST To: KEVIN LYNCH ; FOT Cc: editor at vintageracecar.com Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Kevin; There have been some comments that some cars need some cleaning up. MINE INCLUDED!~!~!~ can you imagine? Paul Smock has been designated as our Laguna Seca "Kas Cup" arbitrator with HMSA regarding these issues. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 7:49 PM Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup > Let's see... 'pretentious'...that's the word! > > jus sayin'. > One might think we run around in a bunch of 'crap wagons'!? > > #6 From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Nov 15 09:21:43 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:21:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD52F853B899AB-1D18-CAD@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> when featured marques come in from all over the country eligibility is relaxed. but must conform to your home organization. after that cars of significance might be considered on a case by case basis. Mordy says that Paul Smock will field issues of eligibility. plan on being there. btw, did you get a call from John W? -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:44 am Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca Kastner Cupers, OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA or not. My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed 1972 specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to race in any group. How will this all pan out? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car starting in1971) Brookfield IL _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 15 09:28:07 2010 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (sbracing at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:28:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <726922.45227.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://hugihali.tripod.com/ From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Nov 15 09:37:51 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:37:51 EST Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Message-ID: <5d11.851cd03.3a12bbdf@aol.com> In a message dated 11/15/2010 9:38:05 AM Central Standard Time, gasket.works at verizon.net writes: > There have been some comments that some cars need some cleaning up. MINE > > INCLUDED!~!~!~ can you imagine? Paul Smock has been designated as our > Laguna Seca "Kas Cup" arbitrator with > HMSA regarding these issues. > Amici... I think this is a good thing. PRESENTATION is important in vintage racing, Vintage race cars ought to look good. Effort and funding ought to be expended towards that end. I can remember back in the late 1970s and early 1980s when vintage racing was first taking off the 'caveat' from the sanctioning bodies was, "We don't want a bunch of rusty TR3s!" That used to hurt my feelings, even though my car was prepared and presented properly and certainly not rusty. But TRIUMPH often has this 'bottom of the sports car barrel' reputation. We're too common by some standards. TRIUMPH has earned its place in sports car racing, and it is far from the bottom of the barrel. Vintage TRIUMPH racers help polish our reputation by racing cars that look as good as they run. Since TRIUMPH will be a featured marque at these events, I'll be surprised if the sanctioning bodies don't look the other way at preparation levels which might be over and above their own regulations (providing the car is accepted in another venue). But I give them credit if they seek 'good looking' race cars. I think that is in everyone's best interests. Bill Dentinger From horizonracing at msn.com Mon Nov 15 10:06:23 2010 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:06:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <5d11.851cd03.3a12bbdf@aol.com> References: <5d11.851cd03.3a12bbdf@aol.com> Message-ID: Nicely said Bill ! > From: BillDentin at aol.com > Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:37:51 -0500 > To: gasket.works at verizon.net; klynch_6 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > CC: editor at vintageracecar.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup > > In a message dated 11/15/2010 9:38:05 AM Central Standard Time, > gasket.works at verizon.net writes: > > > > There have been some comments that some cars need some cleaning up. MINE > > > > INCLUDED!~!~!~ can you imagine? Paul Smock has been designated as our > > Laguna Seca "Kas Cup" arbitrator with > > HMSA regarding these issues. > > > Amici... > > I think this is a good thing. PRESENTATION is important in vintage racing, > Vintage race cars ought to look good. Effort and funding ought to be > expended towards that end. I can remember back in the late 1970s and early > 1980s when vintage racing was first taking off the 'caveat' from the sanctioning > bodies was, "We don't want a bunch of rusty TR3s!" That used to hurt my > feelings, even though my car was prepared and presented properly and certainly > not rusty. But TRIUMPH often has this 'bottom of the sports car barrel' > reputation. We're too common by some standards. TRIUMPH has earned its place > in sports car racing, and it is far from the bottom of the barrel. Vintage > TRIUMPH racers help polish our reputation by racing cars that look as good > as they run. > > Since TRIUMPH will be a featured marque at these events, I'll be surprised > if the sanctioning bodies don't look the other way at preparation levels > which might be over and above their own regulations (providing the car is > accepted in another venue). But I give them credit if they seek 'good looking' > race cars. I think that is in everyone's best interests. > > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From chasgee at aol.com Mon Nov 15 10:31:22 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:31:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca In-Reply-To: <8CD52F853B899AB-1D18-CAD@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD52F853B899AB-1D18-CAD@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD53020E9288B5-180-5CA@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> I hate to stirr up trouble, but someone needs to bluntly ask HMSA if they will accept anyone regardless of prep levels. They have always been sticklers in the past. It is only fair to those who want to make the long tow. Will you be doing that Paul? I, for one, do not want to change anything, including tires, for one event. Sorry to be so negative, but they have a reputation for purity, which I understand. But we need to know up front. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: jason at multivintage.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:21 am Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca when featured marques come in from all over the country eligibility is elaxed. but must conform to your home organization. after that cars of significance might be considered on a case by case basis. Mordy says that Paul Smock will field issues of eligibility. plan on being there. btw, did you get a call from John W? -----Original Message----- rom: Jason Ostrowski o: fot at autox.team.net ent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:44 am ubject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca astner Cupers, OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA or not. My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed 1972 specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to race in any group. How will this all pan out? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car starting in1971) Brookfield IL _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon Nov 15 10:50:01 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:50:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <5d11.851cd03.3a12bbdf@aol.com> References: <5d11.851cd03.3a12bbdf@aol.com> Message-ID: <32529EF27E0D4EBBB580B75AE0BA6EDD@KasPC> Just mostly they want you to replace the handle bars with an actual steering wheel, might help your lap times too. -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 8:37 AM To: ; ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup > In a message dated 11/15/2010 9:38:05 AM Central Standard Time, > gasket.works at verizon.net writes: > > >> There have been some comments that some cars need some cleaning up. MINE >> >> INCLUDED!~!~!~ can you imagine? Paul Smock has been designated as our >> Laguna Seca "Kas Cup" arbitrator with >> HMSA regarding these issues. >> > Amici... > > I think this is a good thing. PRESENTATION is important in vintage > racing, > Vintage race cars ought to look good. Effort and funding ought to be > expended towards that end. I can remember back in the late 1970s and > early > 1980s when vintage racing was first taking off the 'caveat' from the > sanctioning > bodies was, "We don't want a bunch of rusty TR3s!" That used to hurt my > feelings, even though my car was prepared and presented properly and > certainly > not rusty. But TRIUMPH often has this 'bottom of the sports car barrel' > reputation. We're too common by some standards. TRIUMPH has earned its > place > in sports car racing, and it is far from the bottom of the barrel. > Vintage > TRIUMPH racers help polish our reputation by racing cars that look as good > as they run. > > Since TRIUMPH will be a featured marque at these events, I'll be surprised > if the sanctioning bodies don't look the other way at preparation levels > which might be over and above their own regulations (providing the car is > accepted in another venue). But I give them credit if they seek 'good > looking' > race cars. I think that is in everyone's best interests. > > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From KENMUN at aol.com Mon Nov 15 11:04:46 2010 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:04:46 EST Subject: [Fot] wrist pins for 83mm pistons Message-ID: <52495.7d3e41b.3a12d03e@aol.com> anyone have a good set of wrist pins they'd like to sell? thanks, ken m. vintage tr3 racer From barry at penybryn.ca Mon Nov 15 11:36:10 2010 From: barry at penybryn.ca (Barry Munson) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:36:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Influence In-Reply-To: <003501cb84c9$89fbe1f0$9df3a5d0$@com> References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <003501cb84c9$89fbe1f0$9df3a5d0$@com> Message-ID: <000401cb84f3$fb6e4ba0$f24ae2e0$@ca> Amici - Who says racing is all serious business when in reality a good chuckle, especially post race is always remembered. In the context of Clark's note below I offer the following example. The scene is at last year's Indy Car race here in Edmonton where I was participating with 60 other competitors in the support race on a 2.2 mile temporary road course on the downtown airport. It was on Saturday in our 45 minute qualifying race, the temperature was 90+, when within 3 laps after the green flag the oil temperature soared to over 300 degrees and as I was leading my class at the time which would have meant a great starting position for the feature race in front of 50,000 people the next day, the thought of backing off didn't have a bunch of appeal, logic notwithstanding. Racing luck intervened on lap 5 with a full course yellow which lasted 8 laps (seems that the Starter collapsed in his stand - heat prostration). This respite presented the opportunity to reassess the situation - even with the reduced speed under yellow and pulling the car into clean air the oil temperature wouldn't go below 300. There wasn't much I could do short of pulling in and that wasn't going to happen - you know it's amazing what goes through your mind in situations like that - here's what went through mine. I can't do anything about it short of quitting, the gauge was driving me crazy and at that point I remembered a short passage from one of Kas's books, something about removing his oil temperature gauge, obviously I couldn't do that so I did the next best thing. Because of the heat I had added a hydration system with the hose running over my shoulder and into my helmet, the hose was secured to my shoulder with a piece of duct tape - you can see where this is going can't you - I loosened my belts, reached over and removed the duct tape from my shoulder, and completely covered the gauge with it, tightened the belts back up and when the green dropped went back at it. With the gauge distraction removed I did short shift by a 1000, really beat the car up trying to maintain momentum in the corners and only lost a couple of positions. When I returned to the paddock my crew chief, while helping me extract myself, gave me this puzzled look as his saw the duct tape covering the gauge, to which my comment was "don't even ask, Kas made me do it....." Barry. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Clark W. Nicholls Sent: November-15-10 6:32 AM To: 'Joe Curry'; 'Kas Kastner'; 'Bill Babcock'; 'Mike Mehl' Cc: 'Triumph Friends of' Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Reminds me of the 1979 SCCA Runoffs at Road Atlanta. Steve Johnson showed up on the FP race grid in his Spitfire with all the gauges covered with duct tape. He went on to win the race and the championship. I seem to remember his engine was put together from a collection of parts from several engines that week. I don't remember if I took a photo or if the image is burned into my memory! His victory lap photo was used in a British Leyland magazine advertisement. Last I knew Steve is retired in the Caribbean somewhere. Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." -----Original Message----- Kas, I guess in this case, "Ignorance really is BLISS"! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- I've said before, oil at 225 makes more power by far than at 180 or so. When in the old days and my TR-3 in about 5-7 laps the oil got to 300 and as we were not allowed to have oil coolers, I did the next best thing, I took out the gauge. Never made a bit of difference in longevity, and gave me peace of mind. Kas _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/barry at penybryn.ca From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Nov 15 11:40:19 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:40:19 EST Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Message-ID: In a message dated 11/15/2010 11:50:16 AM Central Standard Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: > Just mostly they want you to replace the handle bars with an actual > steering > wheel, might help your lap times too. > Thanks, Kas... That first year we put those handle bars on the car as a joke, we had a ball going through Tech. Because of our straight faced attitude, the fact that they were completely functional, and the official TRIUMPH hub cap badge they sport, they caused more high power caucuses than early "No Way!" reactions in Tech. Those handle bars have long been Ole Blue's signature upgrade, but I can only use them for drag racing, or generating puzzled looks and questions in our paddock. The most common question being, "Is the driver handicapped?" And of course, Wismer answers, "Yeah!" But except for slight bends in the road like 'the kink', I can't get the handle bars past my gut in hard turns when road racing. It's my gut and lack of natural talent impacting my lap times...not the handle bars. But as always, I appreciate, seek and need any and all further council. Keep it coming. Hope you and Peg are healthy, happy and warm. Bill From smockracer at charter.net Mon Nov 15 12:12:35 2010 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:12:35 -0800 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca References: <8CD52F853B899AB-1D18-CAD@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> <8CD53020E9288B5-180-5CA@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <523AFD38E30F481D8D726E07438E75CF@fred> YOUR CAR HAS TO BE APPROVED, THAT 'S WHAT THE PICTURES ARE FOR. (NO PRIMER,BIG DENTS, SHINY PRETTY TRIUMPHS) YOUR CAR MUST BE CONFIGURED TO YOUR VINTAGE CLUB'S RULES AND HAVE A CURRENT LOG BOOK! Your car runs under your Vintage club's rules. Paul #190 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca >I hate to stirr up trouble, but someone needs to bluntly ask HMSA if they >will > accept anyone regardless of prep levels. They have always been sticklers > in > the past. It is only fair to those who want to make the long tow. > > Will you be doing that Paul? I, for one, do not want to change anything, > including tires, for one event. > > Sorry to be so negative, but they have a reputation for purity, which I > understand. But we need to know up front. > > Chuck > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > To: jason at multivintage.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:21 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > > when featured marques come in from all over the country eligibility is > elaxed. > but must conform to your home organization. > after that cars of significance might be considered on a case by case > basis. > Mordy says that Paul Smock will field issues of eligibility. > plan on being there. > btw, did you get a call from John W? > > > > -----Original Message----- > rom: Jason Ostrowski > o: fot at autox.team.net > ent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:44 am > ubject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > astner Cupers, > > OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA > or > not. > My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own > sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. > I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some > track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. > > Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed > 1972 > specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year > racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to > race > in any group. How will this all pan out? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car > starting > in1971) > Brookfield IL > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/smockracer at charter.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 12:16:45 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:16:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You must ONLY comply with your home sanctioning body's rules. If you have a log book showing such compliance you will be fine. On Nov 15, 2010 8:10 AM, "Jason Ostrowski" wrote: > Kastner Cupers, > > OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA or > not. > My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own > sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. > I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some > track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. > > Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed 1972 > specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year > racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to race > in any group. How will this all pan out? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car starting > in1971) > Brookfield IL > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From smockracer at charter.net Mon Nov 15 12:57:42 2010 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:57:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca References: <8CD52F853B899AB-1D18-CAD@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> <8CD53020E9288B5-180-5CA@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: YOUR CAR HAS TO BE APPROVED, THAT'S WHAT THE PICTURES ARE FOR(NO PRIMER,BIG DENTS,SHINY PRETTY TRIUMPHS) YOUR CAR MUST BE CONFIGURED TO YOUR HOME VINTAGE CLUB'S RULES AND HAVE A CURRENT LOG BOOK. My car runs with VARA and has an Annual Inspection stamped in log book. Paul TR4A #190 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca >I hate to stirr up trouble, but someone needs to bluntly ask HMSA if they >will > accept anyone regardless of prep levels. They have always been sticklers > in > the past. It is only fair to those who want to make the long tow. > > Will you be doing that Paul? I, for one, do not want to change anything, > including tires, for one event. > > Sorry to be so negative, but they have a reputation for purity, which I > understand. But we need to know up front. > > Chuck > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > To: jason at multivintage.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:21 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > > when featured marques come in from all over the country eligibility is > elaxed. > but must conform to your home organization. > after that cars of significance might be considered on a case by case > basis. > Mordy says that Paul Smock will field issues of eligibility. > plan on being there. > btw, did you get a call from John W? > > > > -----Original Message----- > rom: Jason Ostrowski > o: fot at autox.team.net > ent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:44 am > ubject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > astner Cupers, > > OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA > or > not. > My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own > sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. > I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some > track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. > > Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed > 1972 > specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year > racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to > race > in any group. How will this all pan out? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car > starting > in1971) > Brookfield IL > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/smockracer at charter.net From smockracer at charter.net Mon Nov 15 12:57:42 2010 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:57:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca References: <8CD52F853B899AB-1D18-CAD@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> <8CD53020E9288B5-180-5CA@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: YOUR CAR HAS TO BE APPROVED, THAT'S WHAT THE PICTURES ARE FOR(NO PRIMER,BIG DENTS,SHINY PRETTY TRIUMPHS) YOUR CAR MUST BE CONFIGURED TO YOUR HOME VINTAGE CLUB'S RULES AND HAVE A CURRENT LOG BOOK. My car runs with VARA and has an Annual Inspection stamped in log book. Paul TR4A #190 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca >I hate to stirr up trouble, but someone needs to bluntly ask HMSA if they >will > accept anyone regardless of prep levels. They have always been sticklers > in > the past. It is only fair to those who want to make the long tow. > > Will you be doing that Paul? I, for one, do not want to change anything, > including tires, for one event. > > Sorry to be so negative, but they have a reputation for purity, which I > understand. But we need to know up front. > > Chuck > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > To: jason at multivintage.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:21 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > > when featured marques come in from all over the country eligibility is > elaxed. > but must conform to your home organization. > after that cars of significance might be considered on a case by case > basis. > Mordy says that Paul Smock will field issues of eligibility. > plan on being there. > btw, did you get a call from John W? > > > > -----Original Message----- > rom: Jason Ostrowski > o: fot at autox.team.net > ent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:44 am > ubject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > astner Cupers, > > OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA > or > not. > My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own > sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. > I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some > track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. > > Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed > 1972 > specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year > racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to > race > in any group. How will this all pan out? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car > starting > in1971) > Brookfield IL > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/smockracer at charter.net From jkhagen at charter.net Mon Nov 15 13:09:53 2010 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:09:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup Message-ID: <977382992.1159292.1289851796157.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Bill My Hero and fellow FOTs'--This is from new-bee John Hagen--My newly acquired TR-4 has LSD [diff] locking one wheel 20lbs turns other wheel--anyone know spec. and parts or service [US] Rimmer Bros has exchange. Thanks - John Hagen 763-684-1617 On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:40 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/15/2010 11:50:16 AM Central Standard Time, > kaskas at cox.net writes: > > >> Just mostly they want you to replace the handle bars with an actual >> steering wheel, might help your lap times too. >> > > Thanks, Kas... > > That first year we put those handle bars on the car as a joke, we had > a ball going through Tech. Because of our straight faced attitude, > the fact that they were completely functional, and the official > TRIUMPH hub cap badge they sport, they caused more high power caucuses > than early "No Way!" reactions in Tech. > Those handle bars have long been Ole Blue's signature upgrade, but I > can only use them for drag racing, or generating puzzled looks and > questions in our paddock. The most common question being, "Is the > driver handicapped?" And of course, Wismer answers, "Yeah!" > > But except for slight bends in the road like 'the kink', I can't get > the handle bars past my gut in hard turns when road racing. It's my > gut and lack of natural talent impacting my lap times...not the handle > bars. But as always, I appreciate, seek and need any and all further > council. > Keep it coming. > > Hope you and Peg are healthy, happy and warm. > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From smockracer at charter.net Mon Nov 15 12:57:42 2010 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:57:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca References: <8CD52F853B899AB-1D18-CAD@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> <8CD53020E9288B5-180-5CA@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: YOUR CAR HAS TO BE APPROVED, THAT'S WHAT THE PICTURES ARE FOR(NO PRIMER,BIG DENTS,SHINY PRETTY TRIUMPHS) YOUR CAR MUST BE CONFIGURED TO YOUR HOME VINTAGE CLUB'S RULES AND HAVE A CURRENT LOG BOOK. My car runs with VARA and has an Annual Inspection stamped in log book. Paul TR4A #190 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca >I hate to stirr up trouble, but someone needs to bluntly ask HMSA if they >will > accept anyone regardless of prep levels. They have always been sticklers > in > the past. It is only fair to those who want to make the long tow. > > Will you be doing that Paul? I, for one, do not want to change anything, > including tires, for one event. > > Sorry to be so negative, but they have a reputation for purity, which I > understand. But we need to know up front. > > Chuck > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > To: jason at multivintage.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:21 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > > when featured marques come in from all over the country eligibility is > elaxed. > but must conform to your home organization. > after that cars of significance might be considered on a case by case > basis. > Mordy says that Paul Smock will field issues of eligibility. > plan on being there. > btw, did you get a call from John W? > > > > -----Original Message----- > rom: Jason Ostrowski > o: fot at autox.team.net > ent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 9:44 am > ubject: [Fot] More on Rules for Laguna Seca > > astner Cupers, > > OK, now I'm confused. Do we have to get approved for this race by By HMSA > or > not. > My car does not fit into any of their classes. Although it fits my own > sancanctioning body rules it doesn't even come close to their rules. > I'm thinking of towing for three days to get out there... So I want some > track time, not one race and a couple of short practice sessions. > > Last Cup in Kansas made for a worthwhile long tow.... Liberally viewed > 1972 > specs, tons of track time. I love my car partly because of its 40 year > racing pedigree, but according to their web sight it is not eligible to > race > in any group. How will this all pan out? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6 Race car since new (SCCA Runoff Car > starting > in1971) > Brookfield IL > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/smockracer at charter.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 08:55:38 2010 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:55:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: References: <70C9067DDE9649C1B77D215575394827@Pendys> Message-ID: This discussion in interesting but wholly premature. When the idea of hosting the Cup next year was raised in June with HMSA this issue was discussed. The preliminary understanding is that you must comply with your home sanctioning body's rules (not HMSA). To do otherwise would preclude the participation of cars from across the country which is the intent. This isn't an application event. There will be a registration for which you will make clear you are a Cup participant. On Nov 9, 2010 7:46 AM, "Bill Babcock" wrote: > Gee, why not? Why not have V8's and six speeds? Where should that line be > drawn? Most folks would like it to be drawn right behind them. > > I empathize, I have a TR3 rotting in my basement that I spent a small fortune > on before I realized that sanctioning bodies have rules. But they do. Some > bend more than others. HMSA is a for-profit company, and they're interested in > lots of entries, but they stand pretty solid on period-correct modifications. > If you can show a crank-fired ignition and flares in a relevant GCR then > you're in. > > That said, this isn't the Monterey Historics, and there will probably be > latitude. You need to find out what they will accept in a car being towed a > long way. The way it usually works is that if your'e a local, they're pretty > strict. You have only a few races to get your car in conformance before it's > banned. A one-time visitor often just has the non-conforming bits noted. Your > mileage may vary. Fill out the car description in MINUTE detail and see if > they accept your entry. > > On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:00 PM, Mark Pendergrass wrote: > >> Well Listers, here we go, what constitutes a legitimate entrant ?? You > talking me or my morfidite car? So the HMSA says they prefer,or better > yet,require that the car be a true racer and restored to boot, well I guess > I'm a little confused here. This old hotrod TR4 that i have was raced on the > east coast most of it life, has log books.......yes books,( plural). Yeah it's > not stock, it's a race car, it's what my 3 children chose to buy their dad as > a gift. It's probably got more stories than most. Does it blow the doors off > the competetion because it's SOOOO modified? not hardly. Do the flares, bigger > tires, alternator, crank fire etc; make it less of a true race car?? I don't > think so. You know, people pay good monies to take-in the 'ol cars wheather > they be stock, modified or whatever, It's time that some people and or > sanctioning bodies start thinking outside the box. And no, i'm not saying to > let V8s 6spds and dana 60s run amuk. So if i've offended some people...oh > well, am i enterested in the LS Kastner Cup ?? Absolutely, sounds like a hoot > and would like to meet some of the FOT family, so if you folks don't mind the > car or my charming attitude, then count me > in............signed........Legitimate Entrant >> >> >> Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 >> >> >>> FOT: >>> >>> Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to > run >>> Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. >>> >>> NAME CAR STATE >>> >>> Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week > of >>> the 15th of November. >>> >>> Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more we >>> have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period of >>> budget constraints. >>> >>> Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. >>> >>> Joe A >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From billb at bnj.com Tue Nov 16 23:05:38 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:05:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Laguna Seca Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <5d11.851cd03.3a12bbdf@aol.com> References: <5d11.851cd03.3a12bbdf@aol.com> Message-ID: <399B8352-7A11-47A2-8868-8D4547F075E9@bnj.com> I've seen the other side of this, showing up at a race after a 2000 mile tow and finding 70's cars on slicks and the admonishment "all tape repairs from the previous event have to be permanently repaired before the next event." Not what I had in mind. I'm game for any kind of racing, but when someone calls it vintage racing then there needs to be some effort at presentation. That said, I expect these guys to be very reasonable. Those of you that know me realize I'm a bit on the grubby side. Peyote has always been rough, it's only since Tony Garmey has been working on it that anyone could call it gussied up. HMSA always took it happily. There are rough cars running at Monterey, rough cars at Coronado. And very pretty ones. Honestly, there seems to be a lot of skivvies getting knotted way, way in advance of getting any real bad news. On Nov 15, 2010, at 8:37 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/15/2010 9:38:05 AM Central Standard Time, > gasket.works at verizon.net writes: > > >> There have been some comments that some cars need some cleaning up. MINE >> >> INCLUDED!~!~!~ can you imagine? Paul Smock has been designated as our >> Laguna Seca "Kas Cup" arbitrator with >> HMSA regarding these issues. >> > Amici... > > I think this is a good thing. PRESENTATION is important in vintage racing, > Vintage race cars ought to look good. Effort and funding ought to be > expended towards that end. I can remember back in the late 1970s and early > 1980s when vintage racing was first taking off the 'caveat' from the sanctioning > bodies was, "We don't want a bunch of rusty TR3s!" That used to hurt my > feelings, even though my car was prepared and presented properly and certainly > not rusty. But TRIUMPH often has this 'bottom of the sports car barrel' > reputation. We're too common by some standards. TRIUMPH has earned its place > in sports car racing, and it is far from the bottom of the barrel. Vintage > TRIUMPH racers help polish our reputation by racing cars that look as good > as they run. > > Since TRIUMPH will be a featured marque at these events, I'll be surprised > if the sanctioning bodies don't look the other way at preparation levels > which might be over and above their own regulations (providing the car is > accepted in another venue). But I give them credit if they seek 'good looking' > race cars. I think that is in everyone's best interests. > > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Nov 17 12:29:45 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:29:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3B17CBE057434035A94907926125F4C9@TOSHIBALAPTOP> After having similar experiences to Mike's a couple of years ago (and replacing several oil coolers) I decided to add a second oil filter. I run a remote Fram HP1 between the oil pump and cooler. I've added a -8 System 1 filter between the cooler and the engine. This is a filter that can be disassembled, checked and cleaned. I initially checked it after every session. Once I was assured nothing bad was going into the engine, I reduced the frequency of inspection. Belt and suspenders, but engines are darned expensive. http://www.system1filters.com/ Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:44 PM To: 'Tony Drews'; 'Mike Mehl'; 'Triumph Friends of' Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Has anybody ever put a remote oil filter between the engine and the input of the oil cooler to prevent klag from getting into the cooler? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:09 PM To: Mike Mehl; Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning Compare the price of a new oil cooler with the price of a new motor. I'd have to ask myself if I'm willing to take a chance to save a hundred or two $. Seems a shame to throw away a new cooler, but they are virtually impossible to get completely clean, unfortunately. - Tony Drews At 09:28 PM 11/13/2010, Mike Mehl wrote: >Since this year my engines seem to last only one weekend I seem to be >accumulating Seatrab oil coolers. Is there a suggested way to clean >them after blowing and engine or should I spend the money with a new >one. I built new >hoses too. I am going to puck the hoses clean so that is not an issue. >Any imput would be great. > >Thanks >Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Nov 17 15:23:44 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Proper race fuel Message-ID: <326444788.11037.1290032624439.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT I'm just looking for some input on race fuel. My compression ratio is 12.5:1 and I live at 5200' ( Denver ). I generally run 108 octane at about 75% race gas to 25% pump gas. Sometimes straight 108. Now I'm wondering if even 108 isB enough octaneB for 12.5:1 Just wondering what everybody else is doing. Thanks as always, Jim Gray From SpiwakD at aol.com Wed Nov 17 15:44:55 2010 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:44:55 EST Subject: [Fot] Latest sealant for head gasket? Message-ID: <1308bd.42a9f432.3a15b4e7@aol.com> What is the latest popular sealant for a steel head gasket. Is anyone still using the copper wire in the grooves? From SpiwakD at aol.com Wed Nov 17 15:46:42 2010 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:46:42 EST Subject: [Fot] Graphite exhaust gaskets Message-ID: <130a7f.7bb3bf8f.3a15b552@aol.com> Who sells the solid graphite exhaust gaskets? I used a set and they worked very well until disassembly. From wgrosenbach at juno.com Wed Nov 17 16:50:11 2010 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (wgrosenbach at juno.com) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:50:11 GMT Subject: [Fot] Proper race fuel Message-ID: <20101117.165011.7523.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Jim,I talked with Unocal, back when their 110 was at the CO-OP, for use in the GT-6.They told me; in bores <4 inches @ 12:1, I could dilute 110 w/Pb free premium 1:10 and have no issues. That seemed like a high dilution to me, but he assured me several times.He told me Octane requirements at a given CR rise sharply as bore goes beyond 4".Walt & Chip Hane @ UTS, in Evergreen can find exactly what you need. Too much costs power.Clive runs 1:1.BillNow Triumph-less ---------- Original Message ---------- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Subject: [Fot] Proper race fuel Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:23:44 +0000 (UTC) FoT I'm just looking for some input on race fuel. My compression ratio is 12.5:1 and I live at 5200' ( Denver ). I generally run 108 octane at about 75% race gas to 25% pump gas. Sometimes straight 108. Now I'm wondering if even 108 isB enough octaneB for 12.5:1 Just wondering what everybody else is doing. Thanks as always, Jim Gray _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wgrosenbach at juno.com ____________________________________________________________ Become Six Sigma Certified Villanova Six Sigma Certification 100% Online Program - Free Info. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ce46a51bdcd92cfd99st05vuc From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed Nov 17 18:13:45 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:13:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Graphite exhaust gaskets In-Reply-To: <130a7f.7bb3bf8f.3a15b552@aol.com> References: <130a7f.7bb3bf8f.3a15b552@aol.com> Message-ID: <82118767-5B17-4CBE-BB91-EF576A0C2A7A@earthlink.net> I got a graphite exhaust manifold set and It broke effortlessly during installation. These work GREAT on my TR3 and can be used over and over again. http://www.cambridgemotorsport.com/Inlet--Exhaust-Manifold-Gasket---High-Port-Head ~Steve On Nov 17, 2010, at 2:46 PM, SpiwakD at aol.com wrote: Who sells the solid graphite exhaust gaskets? I used a set and they worked very well until disassembly. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From triumphs at consolidated.net Wed Nov 17 18:56:55 2010 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home PC) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:56:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Graphite exhaust gaskets References: <130a7f.7bb3bf8f.3a15b552@aol.com> Message-ID: <132ED9C8101647259645810102EFF91F@0817C93C637E473> Remflex, part #RF20-001 http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/rf20-001.htm Ken Gano ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 4:46 PM Subject: [Fot] Graphite exhaust gaskets > Who sells the solid graphite exhaust gaskets? I used a set and they worked > very well until disassembly. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3261 - Release Date: 11/16/10 From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Nov 17 20:21:49 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 03:21:49 GMT Subject: [Fot] Latest sealant for head gasket? Message-ID: <20101117.222149.8643.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Dave, I am still using copper wire in the grooves and Yamabond # 5 as the sealant. Takes a lot of time to get it set up right. I will look closer at the Cometic multi-layer head gasket next time I need one. It is a great gasket, but does not have the relief for the intake valves, so it may not work. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: SpiwakD at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Latest sealant for head gasket? Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:44:55 EST What is the latest popular sealant for a steel head gasket. Is anyone still using the copper wire in the grooves? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Globe Life Insurance $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4ce49be0665df27d842st03duc From gasket.works at verizon.net Wed Nov 17 20:41:57 2010 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:41:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Latest sealant for head gasket? References: <20101117.222149.8643.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <000501cb86d2$8d0face0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> ThreeBond is the company that makes "yammabond" / or "Hondabond" products. The product that works well is their # 1194. The deal with this product is that you have to put it on sparingly but, completely. Have to work pretty fast to prevent the material from glossing too soon. I have used this (among others) with great success. For motors that are harder to seal this product is about as good as you'll find for the price. It is very forgiving. You can find this product online easily. Cost is minimal. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 GMT -8 Pacific From dkettler1 at charter.net Wed Nov 17 21:15:59 2010 From: dkettler1 at charter.net (David Kettler) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:15:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <003501cb84c9$89fbe1f0$9df3a5d0$@com> Message-ID: Sounds like Steve Johnson. FYI, I saw him at the Runoffs this year. He was crewing for the S2 race winner. Was hard to recognize him with a conservative hairstyle. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clark W. Nicholls" To: "'Joe Curry'" ; "'Kas Kastner'" ; "'Bill Babcock'" ; "'Mike Mehl'" Cc: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning > Reminds me of the 1979 SCCA Runoffs at Road Atlanta. Steve Johnson showed > up > on the FP race grid in his Spitfire with all the gauges covered with duct > tape. He went on to win the race and the championship. I seem to remember > his engine was put together from a collection of parts from several > engines > that week. I don't remember if I took a photo or if the image is burned > into > my memory! His victory lap photo was used in a British Leyland magazine > advertisement. Last I knew Steve is retired in the Caribbean somewhere. > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new > owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > > > -----Original Message----- > > Kas, > I guess in this case, "Ignorance really is BLISS"! :) > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > > I've said before, oil at 225 makes more power by far than at 180 or so. > When > > in the old days and my TR-3 in about 5-7 laps the oil got to 300 and as we > were not allowed to have oil coolers, I did the next best thing, I took > out > the gauge. Never made a bit of difference in longevity, and gave me > peace > of mind. > Kas > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dkettler1 at charter.net From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Nov 17 23:47:44 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:47:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Graphite exhaust gaskets In-Reply-To: <130a7f.7bb3bf8f.3a15b552@aol.com> References: <130a7f.7bb3bf8f.3a15b552@aol.com> Message-ID: <20101118064709.115DB18765D@autox.team.net> Used to be Uncle Jack, now is me. $70 / set plus $10 for shipping. I just ordered 5 more sets, should have them in a day or two. You can either paypal me at tony at tonydrews.com or send a check to Tony Drews 5208 11th Avenue A Moline, IL 61265 I prefer the check because it avoids the paypal surcharge. Thanks, Tony Drews At 04:46 PM 11/17/2010, SpiwakD at aol.com wrote: >Who sells the solid graphite exhaust gaskets? I used a set and they worked >very well until disassembly. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Nov 18 01:16:18 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:16:18 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Latest sealant for head gasket? In-Reply-To: <1308bd.42a9f432.3a15b4e7@aol.com> References: <1308bd.42a9f432.3a15b4e7@aol.com> Message-ID: <002c01cb86f8$e2e12b50$a8a381f0$@com> Last time I've installed a steel gasket I put it on dry and it did well. For the future I won't use any sealant for steel gaskets. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von SpiwakD at aol.com Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. November 2010 23:45 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Latest sealant for head gasket? What is the latest popular sealant for a steel head gasket. Is anyone still using the copper wire in the grooves? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From cwnfot at gmail.com Thu Nov 18 06:28:18 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:28:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <336234.65456.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <003501cb84c9$89fbe1f0$9df3a5d0$@com> Message-ID: <019b01cb8724$78d24650$6a76d2f0$@com> Steve was a fantastic S2000 driver/builder also after leaving the Spitfire behind. He had his own model S2000, SR1 or something like that. It seemed to be better that the rest, especially with Steve at the wheel. He got airborne driving S2000 at Lime Rock on the front straight, twice I think. Ended upsidedown. We kidded him about his airshows (some big weekends used to have skydivers and acrobatics from the Rhinebeck Aerodrome nearby). He also coached customer drivers. Last I saw him was at Mid Ohio Runoffs in 94 coaching a female customer, I think a FA driver's fianci. I think he now drives in Grand Am or ALMS? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." Date: 11/17/10 14:34:00 From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Nov 18 17:50:13 2010 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Sonoma Historics Preliminary Schedule Message-ID: <1645656393.1532050.1290127813419.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello: Further to the discussion about the HMSA/FOT event at Laguna Seca next June, I just received this information regarding the preliminary schedule for the event in case any of you are planning on entering both the Sonoma Historics and the FOT event. Gary Wed. June 1st..Paddock set up..Registration and tech Thur. June 2nd..Registreation & tech..Practice 12-6pm Fri...June 3rd..Qualifying..All Groups Sat. June 4th Practice & Race for A Groups Sun June 5th Practice and Race for B Groups.. NOTE...Entry request is due by >>>December 1st<<< in an effort to accommodate transportation and air travel plans for those who will be traveling from far away.. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 18 17:58:29 2010 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:58:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Latest sealant for head gasket? In-Reply-To: <000501cb86d2$8d0face0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> References: <20101117.222149.8643.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> <000501cb86d2$8d0face0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: <994545.73976.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I use the ThreeBond liquid gasket 1194 with most of the gaskets on the TR - have never tried it on a head gasket though. I buy the 1194 on Ebay - noticed that my last tube of the stuff was made in Thailand - must be closer to the rubber tree. Dennis ThreeBond is the company that makes "yammabond" / or "Hondabond" products. The product that works well is their # 1194. The deal with this product is that you have to put it on sparingly but, completely. Have to work pretty fast to prevent the material from glossing too soon. I have used this (among others) with great success. For motors that are harder to seal this product is about as good as you'll find for the price. It is very forgiving. You can find this product online easily. Cost is minimal. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 GMT -8 Pacific _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Nov 19 13:38:16 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:38:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Message-ID: <8609366C-84DF-4CF6-A847-9568887F6FF8@earthlink.net> Hello all, I'm going to be placing a order for some german Mahle brand piston/ ring/liner sets for TR3/4 [87mm]. There is a 90 day lead time from order to shipping so if I order now, they should arrive mid February. Price is 628.56 [set of 4] plus about $40 shipping. I'm not marking them up or getting any quantity discount - just thought I'd pass along a top quality and hard to find part. If interested, let me know asap. I'm hoping to order by monday or tuesday. And for what its worth, the last time I ordered they did arrive as promised - maybe even a bit ahead of schedule. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Nov 19 13:43:48 2010 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:43:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets In-Reply-To: <8609366C-84DF-4CF6-A847-9568887F6FF8@earthlink.net> References: <8609366C-84DF-4CF6-A847-9568887F6FF8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I used them once and I remember my machinist commenting how much heavier they were than the Hepolites that I had been using. He trimmed the heavy base of the pistons to look more like the Hepolites and took as much other weight out as he could. I still have 3 of them. The other one hit the cylinder head when I blew up at Mosport. Coincidence? Bob Kramer Texas Rental Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell Dream big dreams, but never forget that realistic short-term goals are the keys to your success. ~Mac Anderson -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 2:38 PM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Hello all, I'm going to be placing a order for some german Mahle brand piston/ ring/liner sets for TR3/4 [87mm]. There is a 90 day lead time from order to shipping so if I order now, they should arrive mid February. Price is 628.56 [set of 4] plus about $40 shipping. I'm not marking them up or getting any quantity discount - just thought I'd pass along a top quality and hard to find part. If interested, let me know asap. I'm hoping to order by monday or tuesday. And for what its worth, the last time I ordered they did arrive as promised - maybe even a bit ahead of schedule. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From sm1ski at dslextreme.com Fri Nov 19 15:00:12 2010 From: sm1ski at dslextreme.com (sara kowalski) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:00:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] sara kowalski sent you a Coffee from Qualia Coffee Message-ID: <4ce6f36caf759_3091b64cfc88dc@paulyd.mail> sara kowalski Sent You a Coffee ($6 value). >From time to time our most valued users are rewarded by being allowed to send gifts to their friends. This time sara kowalski chose you! All you need to do is click the link below to receive your Coffee and notifications for other great deals in your area. http://homerun.com/email_gift/b61367b9?_e=117981e9 Enjoy! The HomeRun Team If you prefer not to get promotional email from HomeRun, visit http://homerun.com/unsubscribe?_e=117981e9 Brought to you by HomeRun, 2347 Bay St., San Francisco, CA, 94123, USA From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Nov 19 17:05:18 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:05:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] nomination Message-ID: <885C4514D89E41EEA043F93985C88248@latitudefb1e41> I'd like to nominate Duncan Charlton to the FoT list. Duncan is a member of the Hill Country Triumph Club and has a collection of cars including a Morgan 3 wheeler. He just bought a Triumph powered Morgan race car and he'll start paddocking with the TxFOT folks next spring. duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi From kaskas at cox.net Tue Nov 9 16:57:41 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:57:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: References: <70C9067DDE9649C1B77D215575394827@Pendys> Message-ID: <49F4B2E8DC164445A678DC8DCCBD0415@KasPC> It was wonderful that Sam Halkias was willing to come out to Watkins Glen and Topeka and run his car for a show of how they can really go, but he knew before he left home that he was not in the running for the cup. This is an example of someone who is looking after the marquee and enjoys being with folks that are of the same frame of mind. Regretfully, I cannot see that present SCCA cars can be accepted as a run for the cup as their make up is totally upgraded from the original racing configuration of the ancient times (1953 - 1972). I belonged to the SCCA for years and years and sponsored lots of parties and events, do you suppose if I joined again they'd upgrade me? :-) I could always use the help. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Kramer" Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 3:37 PM To: "Mark Pendergrass" ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 > Mark, > > I for one hope they let current spec cars participate. Every vintage race > organization has its rules for regular participants and its own level of > tolerance for special runs groups. In the past the FoT has done a good job > of twisting the arms of event organizers and we have even been allowed to > have current spec SCCA cars run as an exception in a few cases. At some > point in the near future this issue will be clarified for this event. Most > of us love to have the modern Triumphs show up and run with us, but other > than the Brit's coming to Mid Ohio, there has been a lot more talking > about modern Triumphs coming than actual cars in attendance. Sam brought > his TR6 last year and to the Glen two years ago and it was a treat. > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Pendergrass" > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 1:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 > > >> Well Listers, here we go, what constitutes a legitimate entrant ?? You >> talking me or my morfidite car? So the HMSA says they prefer,or better >> yet,require that the car be a true racer and restored to boot, well I >> guess I'm a little confused here. This old hotrod TR4 that i have was >> raced on the east coast most of it life, has log books.......yes >> books,( plural). Yeah it's not stock, it's a race car, it's what my 3 >> children chose to buy their dad as a gift. It's probably got more stories >> than most. Does it blow the doors off the competetion because it's SOOOO >> modified? not hardly. Do the flares, bigger tires, alternator, crank fire >> etc; make it less of a true race car?? I don't think so. You know, people >> pay good monies to take-in the 'ol cars wheather they be stock, modified >> or whatever, It's time that some people and or sanctioning bodies start >> thinking outside the box. And no, i'm not saying to let V8s 6spds and >> dana 60s run amuk. So if i've offended some people...oh well, am i >> enterested in the LS Kastner Cup ?? Absolutely, sounds like a hoot and >> would like to meet some of the FOT family, so if you folks don't mind >> the car or my charming attitude, then count me >> in............signed........Legitimate Entrant >> >> >> Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 >> >> >>> FOT: >>> >>> Well here we go again....if you are a legitimate entrant and do hope to >>> run >>> Laguna Seca next 6-7-8 June, please register your intent to do so. >>> >>> NAME CAR STATE >>> >>> Dont wait. I want to Excel Spreadsheet and submit to John Nikas the week >>> of >>> the 15th of November. >>> >>> Note: The economy is catching up with the Sanctioning Bodies. The more >>> we >>> have to offer, the more they will be willing to negoitiate in a period >>> of >>> budget constraints. >>> >>> Lots to get done....lets help ourselves. >>> >>> Joe A >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From mark at bradakis.com Fri Nov 19 19:00:03 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 19:00:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] sara kowalski sent you a Coffee from Qualia Coffee In-Reply-To: <4ce6f36caf759_3091b64cfc88dc@paulyd.mail> References: <4ce6f36caf759_3091b64cfc88dc@paulyd.mail> Message-ID: <4CE72BA3.8040402@bradakis.com> Shucks. Spam from a hijacked account that is different than the ones I have been trying to filter out. The bad guys always seem to be a step ahead of hapless admins like me. Sigh. mjb. From billdentin at aol.com Fri Nov 19 19:12:20 2010 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 21:12:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Intent to ENTER LAGUNA SECA Kastner Cup Series #9 In-Reply-To: <49F4B2E8DC164445A678DC8DCCBD0415@KasPC> References: <70C9067DDE9649C1B77D215575394827@Pendys> <49F4B2E8DC164445A678DC8DCCBD0415@KasPC> Message-ID: <8CD566F7F5988EC-1284-D647@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> <<< It was wonderful that Sam Halkias was willing to come out to Watkins Glen and Topeka and run his car for a show of how they can really go, but he knew before he left home that he was not in the running for the cup. This is an example of someone who is looking after the marquee and enjoys being with folks that are of the same frame of mind. Regretfully, I cannot see that present SCCA cars can be accepted as a run for the cup as their make up is totally upgraded from the original racing configuration of the ancient times (1953 - 1972). I belonged to the SCCA for years and years and sponsored lots of parties and events, do you suppose if I joined again they'd upgrade me? :-) I could always use the help. >>> Sir... There's no way we can 'up grade' you. Once you're on the Top Shelf you can't go any higher. Bill Dentinger From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 19 20:37:15 2010 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 19:37:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <885C4514D89E41EEA043F93985C88248@latitudefb1e41> References: <885C4514D89E41EEA043F93985C88248@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <980379.38583.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Triumph Power! - I'll second that. Dennis I'd like to nominate Duncan Charlton to the FoT list. Duncan is a member of the Hill Country Triumph Club and has a collection of cars including a Morgan 3 wheeler. He just bought a Triumph powered Morgan race car and he'll start paddocking with the TxFOT folks next spring. duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Fri Nov 19 23:14:42 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 22:14:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets References: <8609366C-84DF-4CF6-A847-9568887F6FF8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0918CE2885A243D4911EA333FAC77828@your89d26e0447> The Mahle pistons have steel struts cast into the piston skirts to control skirt size and expansion when hot. That allows them to be run with tighter skirt to cylinder wall clearances. They are great for street use and up to about 5500 rpm. Because of the added weight compared to the AE Hepolite pistons (or forged racing pistons) we never considered them really suitable for racing or high rpm use. Greg Solow From kaskas at cox.net Sat Nov 20 10:11:53 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 09:11:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets In-Reply-To: <0918CE2885A243D4911EA333FAC77828@your89d26e0447> References: <8609366C-84DF-4CF6-A847-9568887F6FF8@earthlink.net> <0918CE2885A243D4911EA333FAC77828@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: Good information Greg. I remember weighing a set of these Mahle pistons years ago and could not believe how heavy they were. Never used them. Hepolites were my fittings. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Solow" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:14 PM To: "Kramer, Robert" ; "Greg "Lunker"Hilyer" ; "FoT Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets > The Mahle pistons have steel struts cast into the piston skirts to control > skirt size and expansion when hot. That allows them to be run with tighter > skirt to cylinder wall clearances. They are great for street use and up to > about 5500 rpm. Because of the added weight compared to the AE Hepolite > pistons (or forged racing pistons) we never considered them really > suitable for racing or high rpm use. > > Greg Solow > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From triosan at gmail.com Sat Nov 20 15:19:00 2010 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 14:19:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Some Goodwood Revival pictures Message-ID: Finally am getting around to posting a few pictures form Goodwood Revival. Three are of a 1964 TR4 "SLR ". This group was small bore endoro cars that often had extensive rebody work done. In the case of this car, it was a total rebody. Friend of the TR250K I guess. It did race in the early 60's in England. Driven by owner Tony Griffen. He was running 10th when he dropped out on lap 6. The car that won was the ugliest sports car I have ever seen. A rebodied Mini called a "Mini Dart". It is the leftmost car behind the one with the lips in the group shot. Goodwood was fantastic. Great costumes. I did the best I coulddressing, but really did not have the duds. IF you ever go, there are several vendor stands selling vintage close. IF you wear a white mechanics outfit you can easily get into the pits. They were out of my size by Sunday -- though I have bought one since. Will make a great flagger's outfit. Would need a real clean shop and car to wear one for actual mechanic work. Lots of the guys did have them on and many showed extreme oil leaks! Great car and motorcycle racing. Very spirited. There was one race for 60-64 Closed Cockpit GT cars that required a driver change. At one point the drivers included Jackie Oliver, David Hobbs, Brian Redman, and Bobby Rahal. None figured in the win which was a 1963 Ferrari 330 LMB driven by Bobby Verdon-Roe. My personal highlight was following Jackie Stewart through the tunnel and watching all the people coming the other way see and recognize him. Great guy as he shook anyone's hand that was offered. The photos are at: http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/TriumphsAtGoodwood# -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sat Nov 20 17:24:40 2010 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (T Thompson) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:24:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <885C4514D89E41EEA043F93985C88248@latitudefb1e41> References: <885C4514D89E41EEA043F93985C88248@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <296396.84876.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Not sure if my second counts, but if so, here it is. Anyone nominated by Bob has to be a real English motorhead, or in need of some free parts! Ty ________________________________ From: Bob Kramer To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 5:05:18 PM Subject: [Fot] nomination I'd like to nominate Duncan Charlton to the FoT list. Duncan is a member of the Hill Country Triumph Club and has a collection of cars including a Morgan 3 wheeler. He just bought a Triumph powered Morgan race car and he'll start paddocking with the TxFOT folks next spring. duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From igofaster at att.net Sat Nov 20 17:36:08 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:36:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <885C4514D89E41EEA043F93985C88248@latitudefb1e41> References: <885C4514D89E41EEA043F93985C88248@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <156732.83041.qm@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I'm 2nd or 3rd recommendation for Duncan on F.o.T. and another TX.F.o.T. member Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bob Kramer To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 6:05:18 PM Subject: [Fot] nomination I'd like to nominate Duncan Charlton to the FoT list. Duncan is a member of the Hill Country Triumph Club and has a collection of cars including a Morgan 3 wheeler. He just bought a Triumph powered Morgan race car and he'll start paddocking with the TxFOT folks next spring. duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From PegAndBobM at aol.com Sun Nov 21 06:43:04 2010 From: PegAndBobM at aol.com (PegAndBobM at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 08:43:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Some Goodwood Revival pictures Message-ID: DART=-Dizzy Addicott Racing Team which was sold by Dizzy, and I believe eventually evolved with some connection to the Marcos automobile. Item of interest...I have a Elva Mk VI driven by Dizzy to a second place finish at the Brands Hatch Boxing Day Derby. John Arnold, another member of RMVR knew Dizzy and told me he was a club racer best known for a Lotus 19(?) into which he had stuffed a large Buick V8 . In a message dated 11/20/2010 03:39:10 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, triosan at gmail.com writes: Finally am getting around to posting a few pictures form Goodwood Revival. Three are of a 1964 TR4 "SLR ". This group was small bore endoro cars that often had extensive rebody work done. In the case of this car, it was a total rebody. Friend of the TR250K I guess. It did race in the early 60's in England. Driven by owner Tony Griffen. He was running 10th when he dropped out on lap 6. The car that won was the ugliest sports car I have ever seen. A rebodied Mini called a "Mini Dart". It is the leftmost car behind the one with the lips in the group shot. Goodwood was fantastic. Great costumes. I did the best I coulddressing, but really did not have the duds. IF you ever go, there are several vendor stands selling vintage close. IF you wear a white mechanics outfit you can easily get into the pits. They were out of my size by Sunday -- though I have bought one since. Will make a great flagger's outfit. Would need a real clean shop and car to wear one for actual mechanic work. Lots of the guys did have them on and many showed extreme oil leaks! Great car and motorcycle racing. Very spirited. There was one race for 60-64 Closed Cockpit GT cars that required a driver change. At one point the drivers included Jackie Oliver, David Hobbs, Brian Redman, and Bobby Rahal. None figured in the win which was a 1963 Ferrari 330 LMB driven by Bobby Verdon-Roe. My personal highlight was following Jackie Stewart through the tunnel and watching all the people coming the other way see and recognize him. Great guy as he shook anyone's hand that was offered. The photos are at: http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/TriumphsAtGoodwood# -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pegandbobm at aol.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sun Nov 21 07:27:18 2010 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 08:27:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Some Goodwood Revival pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah, now I can see everybody! Thanks for the nomination, Bob, and the seconds/thirds, etc. from Bobby, Dennis, and Ty. There were four SLR cars built by Chris Laurence and John Sprinzel (SLR=Sprinzel Lawrence Racing). Three were built with a Morgan Plus 4 chassis (TR engined, of course) and one (apparently this one) used a TR chassis. Bill Fink's red SLR was seen a few years ago on California tracks but I think all three Morgan SLRs are in Europe now. Duncan On Nov 21, 2010, at 7:43 AM, PegAndBobM at aol.com wrote: > Finally am getting around to posting a few pictures form Goodwood Revival. > Three are of a 1964 TR4 "SLR ". This group was small bore endoro cars > that > often had extensive rebody work done. In the case of this car, it was a > total rebody. Friend of the TR250K I guess. It did race in the early > 60's > in England. From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Nov 21 08:39:41 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:39:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Some Goodwood Revival pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD57A972BD7D46-1B7C-121F8@webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com> Super Dave Bondon's went to a Scandanavian country several years ago. Welcome aboard, Duncan. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Nov 21, 2010 8:27 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Some Goodwood Revival pictures Ah, now I can see everybody! Thanks for the nomination, Bob, and the seconds/thirds, etc. from Bobby, Dennis, and Ty. There were four SLR cars built by Chris Laurence and John Sprinzel (SLR=Sprinzel Lawrence Racing). Three were built with a Morgan Plus 4 chassis (TR engined, of course) and one (apparently this one) used a TR chassis. Bill Fink's red SLR was seen a few years ago on California tracks but I think all three Morgan SLRs are in Europe now. Duncan On Nov 21, 2010, at 7:43 AM, PegAndBobM at aol.com wrote: > Finally am getting around to posting a few pictures form Goodwood Revival. > Three are of a 1964 TR4 "SLR ". This group was small bore endoro cars > that > often had extensive rebody work done. In the case of this car, it was a > total rebody. Friend of the TR250K I guess. It did race in the early > 60's > in England. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 21 11:56:53 2010 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:56:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Alabama to wisconsin shipping help ... Message-ID: <23707.18214.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have just purchased a set of 4 wheels & tires in Helena Alabama (just south of Birmingham) is there anyone near that could pick them up or anyone traveling that way that might be able to transport? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From KENMUN at aol.com Sun Nov 21 12:45:58 2010 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 14:45:58 EST Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color Message-ID: i'm restoring a '56 tr3. the original color is gray. anyone know the name or better yet the paint code for this color? thanks, ken m. From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Nov 21 13:22:10 2010 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 15:22:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301cb89b9$c7264440$5572ccc0$@rr.com> That would be Birch Gray. This was a Dockers lacquer and their number was BF.5467. If you get in touch with any PPG paint supplier they can mix it by going to their library. Hope this helps. I have all the old color books going back to TR2. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of KENMUN at aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 2:46 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color i'm restoring a '56 tr3. the original color is gray. anyone know the name or better yet the paint code for this color? thanks, ken m. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From herald948 at aol.com Sun Nov 21 13:26:35 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 15:26:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD57D186905083-1684-22582@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Likely as not it's Silverstone Grey (actually called Silvertone, probably by mistake, on some paint charts). See: for the ACME chart ("Silvertone") or for a Martin-Senour chart or for a DuPont chart. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: KENMUN To: fot Sent: Sun, Nov 21, 2010 2:49 pm Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color i'm restoring a '56 tr3. the original color is gray. anyone know the name or better yet the paint code for this color? thanks, ken m. From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 21 14:58:56 2010 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 13:58:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] alabama transport help change .. Message-ID: <47928.46108.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have an offer to bring the wheels from Kentucky to me (Thank you Susan ;>))))) so if there would be tramsport from Ala to either Kentucky or Wi would also work ... Thanks in advance.... Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From tr5racer at btinternet.com Sun Nov 21 15:01:25 2010 From: tr5racer at btinternet.com (JOSEPH HUGHES) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 22:01:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] Triumph/Morgan SLR Message-ID: <159017.70874.qm@web87107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> One of the Morgan SLR's was for sale recently for 275,000GBP! It was the most successful of the 4 cars having beat the works Porsche 904's t the Nurburgring in 1966. Another was repatriated last year form the USA and has been restored and is competing again in selected races in the UK. The Triumph SLR was valued recently at 168,000GBP! From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Nov 21 16:08:52 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 18:08:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph/Morgan SLR now TRS INVITATION In-Reply-To: <159017.70874.qm@web87107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <159017.70874.qm@web87107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CD57E832FED7EE-1CEC-1838A@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> There has been a short, very short, discussion on inviting the TRS to the 60th Anniversary. Any contact info would appreciated. (I had the first discussion with TRF about theirs) This is their suggestion. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: JOSEPH HUGHES To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sun, Nov 21, 2010 4:01 pm Subject: [Fot] Triumph/Morgan SLR One of the Morgan SLR's was for sale recently for 275,000GBP! It was the most successful of the 4 cars having beat the works Porsche 904's t the Nurburgring in 1966. Another was repatriated last year form the USA and has been restored and is competing again in selected races in the UK. The Triumph SLR was valued recently at 168,000GBP! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From herald948 at aol.com Sun Nov 21 16:34:16 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 18:34:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color In-Reply-To: <8CD57D186905083-1684-22582@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD57D186905083-1684-22582@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD57EBBEC60643-1684-250CE@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Oops! It appears I misread the original message; Silverstone Grey is rather later than 1956. Other possibilites for names of the grey used in '56 might include "Pearl Grey" (according to Piggott) or "Silver Grey" (according to the ACME paint chart). --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Mon Nov 22 01:28:31 2010 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 00:28:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood revival 7 the SLR Triumph Message-ID: <73E93AE666284828B5EB65CE1E75CF90@your89d26e0447> SLR stands for Sprinzel-Lawrence Racing. There were 4 SLRs built, three were on Morgan chassis and one was on a TR-4 chassis. I was at the Goodwood Tourist Trophy meeting and 1964 and saw one of the two of the SLRs compete in the GT car race. Unfortunately, the TR chassis car only lasted a couple of laps and the Morgan chassis car slightly longer, both dropped out with engine failures, if I remember correctly. Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From ac at camoletti.ch Mon Nov 22 03:57:24 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:57:24 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets In-Reply-To: References: <8609366C-84DF-4CF6-A847-9568887F6FF8@earthlink.net> <0918CE2885A243D4911EA333FAC77828@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: <001101cb8a34$0ca762e0$25f628a0$@camoletti.ch> Just checked Mahle pistons sitting on the bench, these are 86mm+ .040'' and they weight 676 (1) and 680 grams (3). What is the weight of the stock pistons, and the weight of the Hepolite, or from other reputable brands? Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Kas Kastner Envoyi : samedi 20 novembre 2010 18:12 @ : Greg Solow; Kramer, Robert; Greg "Lunker"Hilyer; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Good information Greg. I remember weighing a set of these Mahle pistons years ago and could not believe how heavy they were. Never used them. Hepolites were my fittings. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Solow" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:14 PM To: "Kramer, Robert" ; "Greg "Lunker"Hilyer" ; "FoT Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets > The Mahle pistons have steel struts cast into the piston skirts to > control skirt size and expansion when hot. That allows them to be run > with tighter skirt to cylinder wall clearances. They are great for > street use and up to about 5500 rpm. Because of the added weight > compared to the AE Hepolite pistons (or forged racing pistons) we > never considered them really suitable for racing or high rpm use. > > Greg Solow > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch From ac at camoletti.ch Mon Nov 22 06:52:16 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:52:16 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR3A Cylinder head, looking for a good one Message-ID: <001101cb8a4c$7978f970$6c6aec50$@camoletti.ch> Amici ! Discovered this week end in the shop while finally attending in view of porting my cyl head that it had been previously fitted with hardened exhaust seat inserts, and that running from below the insert on N04, a = long hairline crack developed down the port (on the side of the inlet valve). I found a little bit of humidity in this cylinder when dismantling, but thought it was a head gasket problem as liner decks were not correct. So water came from that crack. I never heard about welding these places in a cylinder head. So would anyone have a good TR3A cyl head for sale ? The car being concours it should be the correct TR3A head. Cast number is 302 137. If I really cannot find a correct head, then I will look for a later head, which presumably is more readily available. If the head is milled and /or somewhat flown is not a problem, as the engine is being built to very fast road specs. Thank you Amici! Cheers! Alex From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Nov 22 16:55:08 2010 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:55:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] newbie intro In-Reply-To: <3B942D12-D284-4D49-A07C-1BB4D5FF3756@gmail.com> References: <3B942D12-D284-4D49-A07C-1BB4D5FF3756@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Time to introduce myself. My name is Duncan Charlton and I live in central Texas. I asked to join the list because we're buying a TR-engined vintage Morgan racer in early December and it's been a long time since I did any serious work on a TR engine. > > I have owned four Triumphs -- a Mk II Spitfire, a 1960 TR3, a 1957 TR3, and a 1956 TR3 which I restored in the mid-1980s. TS-9848-L-0 was one of the few TR3s with 4-wheel drum brakes -- you had to be careful backing up due to the lack of servo action from the brake shoe geometry when moving in that direction. There were a few other British cars in there during those years -- a couple of Mk II Jag sedans and a 1966 Mini Cooper S. > > At some point I got tired of working on rusty cars so I got involved in flying, eventually building two of my own aircraft, first a wood and fabric 2-stroke powered ultralight and then a high-wing 2-seat Experimental category design. I came to find that my family and friends were not really interested in flying, and I eventually got bored with flying alone most of the time, so I got re-involved with English sports cars about ten years ago. > > After a short affair with a Sunbeam Tiger I bought a Morgan 4/4 with a 1600 crossflow Ford engine (a.k.a. the Formula Ford engine). It was a lightweight car (1330 lbs due to the aluminum body panels) and I was collecting performance parts for it when a one-owner 1971 Morgan Plus 8 came along to scratch my itch for more power. We also acquired a very nicely restored 1936 Morgan Super Sports 3-wheeler at about that time. > I started giving thought to vintage racing about six years ago. My son and I attended the Skip Barber 3 day course at Laguna Seca (don't you hate it when you find out that your kid is better at something than you are?) and I started attending vintage races -- Road America, Coronado Island, Goodwood, College Station... > To the present -- I was chatting with a friend in SC a few weeks ago and he casually mentioned that he was selling his 1952 Morgan racer. He had freshened up the car in 2009 after it had sat unused for 13 years because he wanted to participate in the Morgan centennial celebrations. He did well with it in a few races, but now he had decided that his racing days are done. Looks like I was in the right place at the right time. > Some of the car's history can be guessed at. It was delivered with a Standard Vanguard engine, but it may not have been raced initially. It could have raced in D/P, but Morgans were not very successful there. When Morgans got the TR2 engine in 1954 and raced in E/P, the cars started winning. I can't yet be sure of this car's race beginnings (the frame was destroyed in a race accident and I'm still searching the car's chassis number, which the owner thinks he has among its records) but an acquaintance says he saw it parked after the wreck around 1960 or so, having run off the course at an airport race in Spartanburg, SC and hit a concrete abutment (if it was an SCCA race I can find no record of it). I am told the driver's name was Jeff Harrell, but SCCA records show a person by that name raced an MGA in 1963. I would like to find Jeff -- anybody ever heard of him? > The car sat in this wrecked condition until the current owner began to rebuild it in the early 1990s with parts he'd collected over the previous decade. As his mechanic removed paint from the body panels, the letters "E/P" was clearly visible, so clearly it had been an SCCA racer sometime before it was wrecked. The original racing engine was long gone so a supercharged TR engine was installed and it was campaigned on the east coast and in the northeast from 1991 through 1993. It is no longer supercharged but is reportedly sorted out and ready to run. > > Perhaps I'll meet more of you in February at the CVAR driver school/races at TWS. A picture of the car is here: http://tinyurl.com/2ece3c4 From wredinger at oppd.com Tue Nov 23 09:12:48 2010 From: wredinger at oppd.com (REDINGER, WILLIAM E) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:12:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color In-Reply-To: <8CD57D186905083-1684-22582@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> References: , <8CD57D186905083-1684-22582@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: The best and very close color match for Silverstone Gray is a Ford Thunderbird color in 1978.sorry I do not remeber the color name and do not have it with me now, but it is the only grey that is close. Bill Smith has an original Silverstone grey 1958 TR3A, and this color could be used for spot panels. Best of luck Bill Redinger ________________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Mace [herald948 at aol.com] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 2:26 PM To: KENMUN at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 paint color Likely as not it's Silverstone Grey (actually called Silvertone, probably by mistake, on some paint charts). See: for the ACME chart ("Silvertone") or for a Martin-Senour chart or for a DuPont chart. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: KENMUN To: fot Sent: Sun, Nov 21, 2010 2:49 pm Subject: [Fot] tr3 paint color i'm restoring a '56 tr3. the original color is gray. anyone know the name or better yet the paint code for this color? thanks, ken m. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wredinger at oppd.com This e-mail contains Omaha Public Power District's confidential and proprietary information and is for use only by the intended recipient. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, this e-mail is not a contract offer, amendment, nor acceptance. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. From donmarshall at nefcom.net Tue Nov 23 14:18:01 2010 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (donmarshall at nefcom.net) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:18:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Giving Thanks for VDCA's Last Race of the Year Message-ID: <20101123211804.E34911C046B@smtp0.av-mx.com> As we prepare to join family and friends on this Thanksgiving Day, we should remember our friends at VDCA. While we dine on white meat, mashed potatoes & gravy, and that wonderful pumpkin pie, they will be preparing for their Annual Season Finale at Roebling Road Raceway. Yes, even though the temperatures are dropping, and old St. Nick is tuning his sleigh, some of us are still prepping ("repairing" in old English) our race cars. This year's event will be held on December 10th through the 12th and Mike Jackson has guaranteed beautiful weather in Savannah. So, go to their website, print the entry form and mail it in with your check. Load the spare parts and bring plenty of race gas and oil. You'll need it for all of the track time you will have. And, if that isn't enough, as a special bonus you will be invited to join Friday evening's festivities at the Triumph Ghetto! The Friday party promises to be memorable - Leo Oddi will entertain us with his new Hula Dance - thankfully he dropped the belly dancing lessons. Dean Tetterton will explain to all of us the REAL reason he didn't come to the Hurricane event in September. Rob Deanes will debut his newest fishing stories, I will cook, as usual, and the rest of the Ghettoers will continue work on that day's idea on the Triumph Spec Racer!. So, mark the date and plan on being with us in Savannah. This is gonna be a BLAST! The Triumph Ghetto -- From andre at gt6.ca Tue Nov 23 18:55:17 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:55:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice... Message-ID: Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but recently has lost his left leg below the knee. Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. He does not want to give up his GT6. (Good man.) What can you recommend for an automatic conversion? I know about the T9, but not sure if they made an automatic. Thoughts. Tks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From herald948 at aol.com Tue Nov 23 19:04:40 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:04:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even one that I know of in a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a Triumph 2000 sedan, which actually might be more plentiful in Canada than in the US? In the case of the one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it involved some very major reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old Borg-Warner is an extremely bulky unit. Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays that can be made to fit.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Andre Rousseau To: fot Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm Subject: [Fot] Advice... Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but recently has lost his left leg below the knee. Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. From jaboruch at netzero.com Tue Nov 23 19:13:05 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 02:13:05 GMT Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Message-ID: <20101123.211305.11775.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> My custom made Diamond pistons are 87mm and weigh 469 grams, without pins or rings. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Alexandre Camoletti" To: "'Kas Kastner'" , "'Greg Solow'" , "'Kramer, Robert'" , "'Greg \"Lunker\"Hilyer'" , "'FoT Triumph'" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:57:24 +0100 Just checked Mahle pistons sitting on the bench, these are 86mm+ .040'' and they weight 676 (1) and 680 grams (3). What is the weight of the stock pistons, and the weight of the Hepolite, or from other reputable brands? Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Kas Kastner Envoyi : samedi 20 novembre 2010 18:12 @ : Greg Solow; Kramer, Robert; Greg "Lunker"Hilyer; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Good information Greg. I remember weighing a set of these Mahle pistons years ago and could not believe how heavy they were. Never used them. Hepolites were my fittings. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Solow" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:14 PM To: "Kramer, Robert" ; "Greg "Lunker"Hilyer" ; "FoT Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets > The Mahle pistons have steel struts cast into the piston skirts to > control skirt size and expansion when hot. That allows them to be run > with tighter skirt to cylinder wall clearances. They are great for > street use and up to about 5500 rpm. Because of the added weight > compared to the AE Hepolite pistons (or forged racing pistons) we > never considered them really suitable for racing or high rpm use. > > Greg Solow > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 From andre at gt6.ca Tue Nov 23 19:16:26 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:16:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I almost wonder if dropping in a whole new powerplant with attached tranny would be better, but not sure how much work that would entail. Miata? A. On 23 November 2010 21:04, Andrew Mace wrote: > This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even one that I know of in > a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a Triumph 2000 sedan, > which actually might be more plentiful in Canada than in the US? In the case > of the one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it involved some very major > reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old Borg-Warner is an > extremely bulky unit. > > Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays that can be made to > fit.... > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Rousseau > To: fot > Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm > Subject: [Fot] Advice... > > Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. > > > > > > I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but > > > recently has lost his left leg below the knee. > > > Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Nov 23 19:25:41 2010 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (PAUL MACDONALD) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:25:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <23892.23006.qm@web88103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> http://www.britishv8.org/Photos-Triumph-Conversions.htm Try here a couple already done --- On Wed, 11/24/10, Andre Rousseau wrote: > From: Andre Rousseau > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... > To: "Andrew Mace" > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 2:16 AM > I almost wonder if dropping in a > whole new powerplant with attached > tranny would be better, but not sure how much work that > would entail. > > Miata? > > A. > > On 23 November 2010 21:04, Andrew Mace > wrote: > > This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even > one that I know of > in > > a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a > Triumph 2000 sedan, > > which actually might be more plentiful in Canada than > in the US? In the > case > > of the one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it > involved some very major > > reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old > Borg-Warner is an > > extremely bulky unit. > > > > Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays > that can be made to > > fit.... > > > > --Andy Mace > > > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's > more your, er, Triumph > > Herald engine with wings. > > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying > Circus (22) > > > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The > Vintage Triumph > > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse > 6) and Triumph > Herald > > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andre Rousseau > > To: fot > > Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm > > Subject: [Fot] Advice... > > > > Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. > > > > > > > > > > > > I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring > a GT6, but > > > > > > recently has lost his left leg below the knee. > > > > > > Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From igofaster at att.net Tue Nov 23 19:26:58 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:26:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <422680.14139.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I used to own a 1967 Triumph 2000 Saloon and it had a Borg Warner automatic transmission. The Triumph 2000 had the same engine as a GT6. Rare car stateside as was only imported in L.A. or N.Y. from what I heard. Good thought and good response to keep a GT6 on the road. Happy Thanksgiving Ya'll .... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Andrew Mace To: andre at gt6.ca; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 8:04:40 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even one that I know of in a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a Triumph 2000 sedan, which actually might be more plentiful in Canada than in the US? In the case of the one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it involved some very major reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old Borg-Warner is an extremely bulky unit. Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays that can be made to fit.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Andre Rousseau To: fot Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm Subject: [Fot] Advice... Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but recently has lost his left leg below the knee. Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Nov 23 19:27:31 2010 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (PAUL MACDONALD) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:27:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <595734.99219.qm@web88108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Especially the Spitfire conversions, thinking the V6 ones would be good --- On Wed, 11/24/10, Andre Rousseau wrote: > From: Andre Rousseau > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... > To: "Andrew Mace" > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 2:16 AM > I almost wonder if dropping in a > whole new powerplant with attached > tranny would be better, but not sure how much work that > would entail. > > Miata? > > A. > > On 23 November 2010 21:04, Andrew Mace > wrote: > > This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even > one that I know of > in > > a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a > Triumph 2000 sedan, > > which actually might be more plentiful in Canada than > in the US? In the > case > > of the one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it > involved some very major > > reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old > Borg-Warner is an > > extremely bulky unit. > > > > Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays > that can be made to > > fit.... > > > > --Andy Mace > > > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's > more your, er, Triumph > > Herald engine with wings. > > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying > Circus (22) > > > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The > Vintage Triumph > > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse > 6) and Triumph > Herald > > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andre Rousseau > > To: fot > > Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm > > Subject: [Fot] Advice... > > > > Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. > > > > > > > > > > > > I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring > a GT6, but > > > > > > recently has lost his left leg below the knee. > > > > > > Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From mdporter at dfn.com Tue Nov 23 19:27:31 2010 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 19:27:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4CEC7813.7040906@dfn.com> On 11/23/2010 7:04 PM, Andrew Mace wrote: > This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even one that I know of in > a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a Triumph 2000 sedan, which > actually might be more plentiful in Canada than in the US? In the case of the > one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it involved some very major > reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old Borg-Warner is an > extremely bulky unit. > > Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays that can be made to > fit.... > > > > --Andy Mace > If the chassis surgery required to install the Borg-Warner is simply more work than the guy wants to entertain, and no modern equivalent is suitable, I'll throw out a couple of wild-assed guesses on other options--a decent fab and machining shop could probably adapt the working bits of the VW automatic stick shift to the car. Would likely require some welding and modification to the bellhousing to fit the solenoid and some modification of shifter extension for the switches, but it could probably be done. A similar--and less invasive--approach would be to use the existing bits, except to substitute one of the hydraulic clutch throw-out bearing units currently in use (Herman?) and then find a suitably-sized electric or electric servo piloted vacuum-operated solenoid to operate the clutch master. A Spitfire shifter arm with a knob-mounted clutch switch would, with a little practice, make shifting almost indistinguishable from standard. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From igofaster at att.net Tue Nov 23 19:28:14 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:28:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: References: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <650919.12918.qm@web180808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> IVE SEEN SOME WACKED V8 AND V6 CONVERSIONS ON EBAY... BOBBY ________________________________ From: Andre Rousseau To: Andrew Mace Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 8:16:26 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... I almost wonder if dropping in a whole new powerplant with attached tranny would be better, but not sure how much work that would entail. Miata? A. On 23 November 2010 21:04, Andrew Mace wrote: > This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even one that I know of in > a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a Triumph 2000 sedan, > which actually might be more plentiful in Canada than in the US? In the case > of the one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it involved some very major > reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old Borg-Warner is an > extremely bulky unit. > > Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays that can be made to > fit.... > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Rousseau > To: fot > Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm > Subject: [Fot] Advice... > > Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. > > > > > > I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but > > > recently has lost his left leg below the knee. > > > Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From mlcooknj at msn.com Tue Nov 23 19:45:27 2010 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:45:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: <422680.14139.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: , <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com>, <422680.14139.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: We sold about 1700-2000 of them 1964-68, nationwide. Most of them have long since turned to mulch. RE Sports Six, we had a test car with the BW 35 that could barely beat a Herald. Mike Cook > Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:26:58 -0800 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: herald948 at aol.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... > > I used to own a 1967 Triumph 2000 Saloon and it had a Borg Warner automatic > transmission. The Triumph 2000 had the same engine as a GT6. Rare car stateside > as was only imported in L.A. or N.Y. from what I heard. > > Good thought and good response to keep a GT6 on the road. > > Happy Thanksgiving Ya'll .... Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Andrew Mace > To: andre at gt6.ca; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 8:04:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... > > This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even one that I know of in > a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a Triumph 2000 sedan, which > actually might be more plentiful in Canada than in the US? In the case of the > one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it involved some very major > reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old Borg-Warner is an > extremely bulky unit. > > Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays that can be made to > fit.... > > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Rousseau > To: fot > Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm > Subject: [Fot] Advice... > > > Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. > > > > I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but > > recently has lost his left leg below the knee. > > Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Nov 23 20:02:10 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:02:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Advice...He can drive a stick though In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20101124030244.23C4418767B@autox.team.net> I used to run a business called Redi-Auto Sport. All we did were adaptations to sports and race cars. At the time we were the US importer of Guido Simplex controls. The same ones Alex Zenardi & Alberto Lovera use and Regazzoni ..used. Clutch is activated from a paddle on the shift knob, totally controllable and you can modulate it just like with your foot. http://www.guidosimplex-usa.com/ Jim G -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 6:55 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Advice... Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but recently has lost his left leg below the knee. Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. He does not want to give up his GT6. (Good man.) What can you recommend for an automatic conversion? I know about the T9, but not sure if they made an automatic. Thoughts. Tks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Tue Nov 23 21:07:50 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:07:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TRANNY CONVERSION INFO NEEDED FOR A GUY WHO LOST A LEG Message-ID: Thanks to Dean Beaupre for the following... RB Sorry to hear about the leg. There are lots of products to help handicaped ( I hate that word) drivers. These are mostly of the hydraulic device activated by a hand button or lever variety. Depending on wheter gas, brake or clutch leg is lost maybe the best solution is to use the hand hydraulic interface with existing gearbox. Food for thought. Good luck. Dean On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:06 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > Hi Gang...Please read below...If you can help..Contact Andre at the > address > link below.. > thanks > Racer Bud > > >> Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. >> >> I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but >> recently has lost his left leg below the knee. >> Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. >> >> He does not want to give up his GT6. (Good man.) >> >> What can you recommend for an automatic conversion? >> >> I know about the T9, but not sure if they made an automatic. >> >> Thoughts. >> >> Tks. >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tr6driver at yahoo.com Tue Nov 23 21:52:39 2010 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:52:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: References: , <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com>, <422680.14139.qm@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <346477.66842.qm@web114719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> As the owner of two 2000's (one of which is slowly coming BACK from mulch, see http://2000estate.blogspot.com), I have what's left of one BW35 (never tried it in a car but the flex plate is bad, typical fault, Rimmer sells a reinforcement plate) and torque converter needs rebuilding (two tangs meant to engage tranny are broken, speedo drive has been cannibalized) that anyone is welcome to free for the shipping. Let me know... Jamie Palmer RiffRAF Racing Raleigh, NC ________________________________ From: michael cook To: igofaster at att.net; Andy Mace Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 9:45:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... We sold about 1700-2000 of them 1964-68, nationwide. Most of them have long since turned to mulch. RE Sports Six, we had a test car with the BW 35 that could barely beat a Herald. Mike Cook > Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:26:58 -0800 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: herald948 at aol.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... > > I used to own a 1967 Triumph 2000 Saloon and it had a Borg Warner automatic > transmission. The Triumph 2000 had the same engine as a GT6. Rare car stateside > as was only imported in L.A. or N.Y. from what I heard. > > Good thought and good response to keep a GT6 on the road. > > Happy Thanksgiving Ya'll .... Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Andrew Mace > To: andre at gt6.ca; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 8:04:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice... > > This has been done by a few folks in the TR6 (and even one that I know of in > a Sports 6) using at least the BW-35 autobox from a Triumph 2000 sedan, which > actually might be more plentiful in Canada than in the US? In the case of the > one Sports 6 conversion I heard about, it involved some very major > reconstructive surgery of the chassis, since the old Borg-Warner is an > extremely bulky unit. > > Maybe there's something more modern out there nowadays that can be made to > fit.... > > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Rousseau > To: fot > Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 8:56 pm > Subject: [Fot] Advice... > > > Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. > > > > I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but > > recently has lost his left leg below the knee. > > Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Nov 23 22:01:54 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:01:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TRANNY CONVERSION INFO NEEDED FOR A GUY WHO LOST A LEG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20101124050228.0F5B018767B@autox.team.net> I used to run a business called Redi-Auto Sport. All we did were adaptations to sports and race cars. At the time we were the US importer of Guido Simplex controls. The same ones Alex Zenardi & Alberto Lovera use and Regazzoni ..used. Clutch is activated from a paddle on the shift knob, totally controllable and you can modulate it just like with your foot. http://www.guidosimplex-usa.com/ Jim G -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:08 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: DEAN STEELHEAD BEAUPRE Subject: [Fot] Fw: TRANNY CONVERSION INFO NEEDED FOR A GUY WHO LOST A LEG Thanks to Dean Beaupre for the following... RB Sorry to hear about the leg. There are lots of products to help handicaped ( I hate that word) drivers. These are mostly of the hydraulic device activated by a hand button or lever variety. Depending on wheter gas, brake or clutch leg is lost maybe the best solution is to use the hand hydraulic interface with existing gearbox. Food for thought. Good luck. Dean On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:06 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > Hi Gang...Please read below...If you can help..Contact Andre at the > address > link below.. > thanks > Racer Bud > > >> Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. >> >> I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but >> recently has lost his left leg below the knee. >> Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. >> >> He does not want to give up his GT6. (Good man.) >> >> What can you recommend for an automatic conversion? >> >> I know about the T9, but not sure if they made an automatic. >> >> Thoughts. >> >> Tks. >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From cofrog at q.com Tue Nov 23 22:23:37 2010 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 05:23:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TRANNY CONVERSION INFO NEEDED FOR A GUY WHO LOST A LEG In-Reply-To: <20101124050228.0F5B018767B@autox.team.net> References: , <20101124050228.0F5B018767B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: There is a Triumph guy in Grand Junction Colorado that is doing this sort of thing, Mark Saro. I can get contact info if needed. Dan Forgey > From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > To: budscars at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:01:54 -0700 > CC: dabeaupre at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: TRANNY CONVERSION INFO NEEDED FOR A GUY WHO LOST A LEG > > I used to run a business called Redi-Auto Sport. All we did were adaptations > to sports and race cars. At the time we were the US importer of Guido > Simplex controls. > The same ones Alex Zenardi & Alberto Lovera use and Regazzoni ..used. > Clutch is activated from a paddle on the shift knob, totally controllable > and you can modulate it just like with your foot. > > http://www.guidosimplex-usa.com/ > > > Jim G > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:08 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: DEAN STEELHEAD BEAUPRE > Subject: [Fot] Fw: TRANNY CONVERSION INFO NEEDED FOR A GUY WHO LOST A LEG > > Thanks to Dean Beaupre for the following... > RB > > > Sorry to hear about the leg. There are lots of products to help > handicaped ( I hate that word) drivers. These are mostly of the > hydraulic device activated by a hand button or lever variety. > Depending on wheter gas, brake or clutch leg is lost maybe the best > solution is to use the hand hydraulic interface with existing gearbox. > Food for thought. Good luck. Dean > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:06 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > > Hi Gang...Please read below...If you can help..Contact Andre at the > > address > > link below.. > > thanks > > Racer Bud > > > > > >> Fellow Triumph fans. I need some help. > >> > >> I received an email from a guy today. He is restoring a GT6, but > >> recently has lost his left leg below the knee. > >> Still able to drive, but only with an automatic. > >> > >> He does not want to give up his GT6. (Good man.) > >> > >> What can you recommend for an automatic conversion? > >> > >> I know about the T9, but not sure if they made an automatic. > >> > >> Thoughts. > >> > >> Tks. > >> > >> A. > >> > >> -- > >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > >> http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > >> #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > >> Ottawa, ON, Canada > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From ac at camoletti.ch Wed Nov 24 05:08:55 2010 From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 13:08:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets In-Reply-To: <20101123.211305.11775.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> References: <20101123.211305.11775.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <002a01cb8bd0$656dbc60$30493520$@camoletti.ch> Made all measurements in the shop yesterday: MAHLE piston and stuff 86mm+0.040'' (86.97mm for a 87.02 liner, 0.05mm clearance): Piston complete 719 gr Pin 141 Rings 38 Clips 2 Piston blank 538 gr -----Message d'origine----- De : Joe Boruch [mailto:jaboruch at netzero.com] Envoyi : mercredi 24 novembre 2010 03:13 @ : ac at camoletti.ch Cc : kaskas at cox.net; gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com; RKramer at rdoequipment.com; Lunkercars at earthlink.net; fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets My custom made Diamond pistons are 87mm and weigh 469 grams, without pins or rings. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Alexandre Camoletti" To: "'Kas Kastner'" , "'Greg Solow'" , "'Kramer, Robert'" , "'Greg \"Lunker\"Hilyer'" , "'FoT Triumph'" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:57:24 +0100 Just checked Mahle pistons sitting on the bench, these are 86mm+ .040'' and they weight 676 (1) and 680 grams (3). What is the weight of the stock pistons, and the weight of the Hepolite, or from other reputable brands? Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Kas Kastner Envoyi : samedi 20 novembre 2010 18:12 @ : Greg Solow; Kramer, Robert; Greg "Lunker"Hilyer; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Good information Greg. I remember weighing a set of these Mahle pistons years ago and could not believe how heavy they were. Never used them. Hepolites were my fittings. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Solow" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:14 PM To: "Kramer, Robert" ; "Greg "Lunker"Hilyer" ; "FoT Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets > The Mahle pistons have steel struts cast into the piston skirts to > control skirt size and expansion when hot. That allows them to be run > with tighter skirt to cylinder wall clearances. They are great for > street use and up to about 5500 rpm. Because of the added weight > compared to the AE Hepolite pistons (or forged racing pistons) we > never considered them really suitable for racing or high rpm use. > > Greg Solow > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 From donmarshall at nefcom.net Wed Nov 24 05:44:28 2010 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 07:44:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets In-Reply-To: <002a01cb8bd0$656dbc60$30493520$@camoletti.ch> References: <20101123.211305.11775.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> <002a01cb8bd0$656dbc60$30493520$@camoletti.ch> Message-ID: According to documentation from my machine shop when they weighed and balanced everything Venolia 87mm piston with pin - 601.5 Rings (Totalseal) - 28.9 Locks - 2.1 Total complete piston - 632.5g On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 07:08:55 -0500, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: > Made all measurements in the shop yesterday: > > MAHLE piston and stuff 86mm+0.040'' (86.97mm for a 87.02 liner, 0.05mm > clearance): > > Piston complete 719 gr > Pin 141 > Rings 38 > Clips 2 > Piston blank 538 gr From wensley_tr at comcast.net Wed Nov 24 07:28:28 2010 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:28:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Giving Thanks for VDCA's Last Race of the Year In-Reply-To: <20101123211804.E34911C046B@smtp0.av-mx.com> References: <20101123211804.E34911C046B@smtp0.av-mx.com> Message-ID: <001001cb8be3$dcb270f0$961752d0$@net> Oh god I don't want to picture Leo belly dancing Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of donmarshall at nefcom.net Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 4:18 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Giving Thanks for VDCA's Last Race of the Year As we prepare to join family and friends on this Thanksgiving Day, we should remember our friends at VDCA. While we dine on white meat, mashed potatoes & gravy, and that wonderful pumpkin pie, they will be preparing for their Annual Season Finale at Roebling Road Raceway. Yes, even though the temperatures are dropping, and old St. Nick is tuning his sleigh, some of us are still prepping ("repairing" in old English) our race cars. This year's event will be held on December 10th through the 12th and Mike Jackson has guaranteed beautiful weather in Savannah. So, go to their website, print the entry form and mail it in with your check. Load the spare parts and bring plenty of race gas and oil. You'll need it for all of the track time you will have. And, if that isn't enough, as a special bonus you will be invited to join Friday evening's festivities at the Triumph Ghetto! The Friday party promises to be memorable - Leo Oddi will entertain us with his new Hula Dance - thankfully he dropped the belly dancing lessons. Dean Tetterton will explain to all of us the REAL reason he didn't come to the Hurricane event in September. Rob Deanes will debut his newest fishing stories, I will cook, as usual, and the rest of the Ghettoers will continue work on that day's idea on the Triumph Spec Racer!. So, mark the date and plan on being with us in Savannah. This is gonna be a BLAST! The Triumph Ghetto -- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From herald948 at aol.com Wed Nov 24 08:12:02 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 10:12:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: <4CEC7813.7040906@dfn.com> References: <8CD599316799E4D-1684-5042A@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> <4CEC7813.7040906@dfn.com> Message-ID: <8CD5A0115083F61-164C-30DF@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Michael Porter If the chassis surgery required to install the Borg-Warner is simply more work than the guy wants to entertain, and no modern equivalent is suitable, I'll throw out a couple of wild-assed guesses on other options--a decent fab and machining shop could probably adapt the working bits of the VW automatic stick shift to the car. ==AM== Funny you should mention that, as the VW Beetle's 'semi-automatic' -- if I remember correctly --- was rather similar to what was called 'Standrive' on the Standard 10 sedan and 'Triumatic' (or 'Trimatic' -- depends on what factory literature you're reading) on the Triumph 10. Maybe Mike Cook would know if any Triumph 10s were actually sold here in the US with Triumatic, which used hydraulics, servos and other bells and whistles to actuate the clutch via the shift lever while keeping the original four-speed gearbox. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From billbab at me.com Wed Nov 24 09:26:30 2010 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 06:26:30 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Hoosier R6 tire pressures In-Reply-To: References: <14703571-8ED5-4E74-9EA8-66D706894B56@bnj.com> <94FFC3F3-E73D-451D-907D-CB3D68085D4B@me.com> Message-ID: Just came across this and realized I never answered. Wrong means not optimal, and both you and I know .5 degrees is not "wrong" for a radial tire. Fine for a bias ply. I've seen you drive your car and work on it. I know you know what's "right". On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:52 AM, Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: >>> If an overinflated tire makes your car handle better it's because your camber is wrong. > >>> > While I basically agree, please define "wrong". > My car has .5 degrees of hard gotten negative camber. It could also be put in full street trim in about 5 hours - cracked windshield, ratty interior, stock ride height, skinny wheels and all. Nothing has ever been bent, cut, drilled, or otherwise molested to prevent it from going back to the two owner, 75.000 mile street car that it is. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Nov 24 12:00:35 2010 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:00:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Giving Thanks for VDCA's Last Race of the Year In-Reply-To: <001001cb8be3$dcb270f0$961752d0$@net> References: <20101123211804.E34911C046B@smtp0.av-mx.com> <001001cb8be3$dcb270f0$961752d0$@net> Message-ID: Well, come on down and see if Leo dances , I will try to make the fish stories come to life with Carolina lobsters and grouper to boot for Friday nights dinner...so bring your TRs on down and have some fun...Saturday night is a pig picking and oysters..plus the beer...you want go home hungry. On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Craig wrote: > Oh god I don't want to picture Leo belly dancing > > > > Craig > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of donmarshall at nefcom.net > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 4:18 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Giving Thanks for VDCA's Last Race of the Year > > > > As we prepare to join family and friends on this Thanksgiving Day, we > > should remember our friends at VDCA. While we dine on white meat, mashed > > potatoes & gravy, and that wonderful pumpkin pie, they will be preparing > > for their Annual Season Finale at Roebling Road Raceway. > > > > Yes, even though the temperatures are dropping, and old St. Nick is tuning > > his sleigh, some of us are still prepping ("repairing" in old English) our > > race cars. This year's event will be held on December 10th through the > > 12th and Mike Jackson has guaranteed beautiful weather in Savannah. > > > > So, go to their website, print the entry form and mail it in with your > > check. Load the spare parts and bring plenty of race gas and oil. You'll > > need it for all of the track time you will have. And, if that isn't > > enough, as a special bonus you will be invited to join Friday evening's > > festivities at the Triumph Ghetto! > > > > The Friday party promises to be memorable - Leo Oddi will entertain us > > with his new Hula Dance - thankfully he dropped the belly dancing lessons. > > Dean Tetterton will explain to all of us the REAL reason he didn't come to > > the Hurricane event in September. Rob Deanes will debut his newest fishing > > stories, I will cook, as usual, and the rest of the Ghettoers will > > continue work on that day's idea on the Triumph Spec Racer!. > > > > So, mark the date and plan on being with us in Savannah. This is gonna be > > a BLAST! > > > > The Triumph Ghetto > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Nov 24 12:11:49 2010 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 13:11:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kas's New Book Message-ID: Kas's new book arrived today. It looks amazing. I don't think I'll get much done at work this afternoon. ;-) From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Nov 24 12:52:59 2010 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:52:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Giving Thanks for VRG's Last Race of the Year In-Reply-To: References: <20101123211804.E34911C046B@smtp0.av-mx.com> <001001cb8be3$dcb270f0$961752d0$@net> Message-ID: <4AD81415-FE8E-4167-8E16-3D9AE2E3E25A@comcast.net> Some of us will be giving thanks a little earlier than that at Vintage Racing Group's Turkey Bowl at Summit Point this weekend - the last vintage event in the colder Northeast. Practices Friday, racing Saturday and a one hour enduro on Sunday. As with last year, there's a chance of rain on Friday, but the prediction is for crystal clear 50 degree days on Sat-Sun. I'll be showing up Friday night for at least two days of festivities with the GT6 and Rich Rock is expected with his Triumph six-powered TVR. Last year I only recall two other Triumphs - a Spitfire and a beautiful Triumph-powered Peerless. Some FOTs are expected to be spectating as well. Lots of driving time on a great track. Come on out! On Nov 24, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Robert Deanes wrote: Well, come on down and see if Leo dances , I will try to make the fish stories come to life with Carolina lobsters and grouper to boot for Friday nights dinner...so bring your TRs on down and have some fun...Saturday night is a pig picking and oysters..plus the beer...you want go home hungry. On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Craig wrote: > Oh god I don't want to picture Leo belly dancing > > > > Craig > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of donmarshall at nefcom.net > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 4:18 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Giving Thanks for VDCA's Last Race of the Year > > > > As we prepare to join family and friends on this Thanksgiving Day, we > > should remember our friends at VDCA. While we dine on white meat, > mashed > > potatoes & gravy, and that wonderful pumpkin pie, they will be > preparing > > for their Annual Season Finale at Roebling Road Raceway. > > > > Yes, even though the temperatures are dropping, and old St. Nick is > tuning > > his sleigh, some of us are still prepping ("repairing" in old > English) our > > race cars. This year's event will be held on December 10th through the > > 12th and Mike Jackson has guaranteed beautiful weather in Savannah. > > > > So, go to their website, print the entry form and mail it in with your > > check. Load the spare parts and bring plenty of race gas and oil. > You'll > > need it for all of the track time you will have. And, if that isn't > > enough, as a special bonus you will be invited to join Friday > evening's > > festivities at the Triumph Ghetto! > > > > The Friday party promises to be memorable - Leo Oddi will entertain us > > with his new Hula Dance - thankfully he dropped the belly dancing > lessons. > > Dean Tetterton will explain to all of us the REAL reason he didn't > come to > > the Hurricane event in September. Rob Deanes will debut his newest > fishing > > stories, I will cook, as usual, and the rest of the Ghettoers will > > continue work on that day's idea on the Triumph Spec Racer!. > > > > So, mark the date and plan on being with us in Savannah. This is > gonna be > > a BLAST! > > > > The Triumph Ghetto > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/s.janzen at comcast.net From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Nov 24 14:21:58 2010 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (jerryvv at roadrunner.com) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 16:21:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: <8CD5A0115083F61-164C-30DF@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20101124212158.9C45I.58831.root@cdptpa-web25-z01> Did those transmissions have a torque converter as well as a clutch like the old Chrysler products from the 1950's? JVV ---- Andrew Mace wrote: > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Porter > > > > If the chassis surgery required to install the Borg-Warner is simply > more work than the guy wants to entertain, and no modern equivalent is > suitable, I'll throw out a couple of wild-assed guesses on other > options--a decent fab and machining shop could probably adapt the > working bits of the VW automatic stick shift to the car. > > > ==AM== > Funny you should mention that, as the VW Beetle's 'semi-automatic' -- if I > remember correctly --- was rather similar to what was called > 'Standrive' on the Standard 10 sedan and 'Triumatic' (or 'Trimatic' -- depends > on what factory literature you're reading) on the Triumph 10. > Maybe Mike Cook would know if any Triumph 10s were actually sold here in the > US with Triumatic, which used hydraulics, servos and other > bells and whistles to actuate the clutch via the shift lever while keeping the > original four-speed gearbox. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Nov 24 15:20:51 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 23:20:51 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets In-Reply-To: <20101123.211305.11775.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> References: <20101123.211305.11775.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <001a01cb8c25$dbe46c90$93ad45b0$@com> I run Mahle forged pistons with a weight of 480gr incl. pin and rings. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Joe Boruch Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. November 2010 03:13 An: ac at camoletti.ch Cc: Lunkercars at earthlink.net; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets My custom made Diamond pistons are 87mm and weigh 469 grams, without pins or rings. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Alexandre Camoletti" To: "'Kas Kastner'" , "'Greg Solow'" , "'Kramer, Robert'" , "'Greg \"Lunker\"Hilyer'" , "'FoT Triumph'" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:57:24 +0100 Just checked Mahle pistons sitting on the bench, these are 86mm+ .040'' and they weight 676 (1) and 680 grams (3). What is the weight of the stock pistons, and the weight of the Hepolite, or from other reputable brands? Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Kas Kastner Envoyi : samedi 20 novembre 2010 18:12 @ : Greg Solow; Kramer, Robert; Greg "Lunker"Hilyer; FoT Triumph Objet : Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets Good information Greg. I remember weighing a set of these Mahle pistons years ago and could not believe how heavy they were. Never used them. Hepolites were my fittings. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Solow" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:14 PM To: "Kramer, Robert" ; "Greg "Lunker"Hilyer" ; "FoT Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Mahle piston/liner sets > The Mahle pistons have steel struts cast into the piston skirts to > control skirt size and expansion when hot. That allows them to be run > with tighter skirt to cylinder wall clearances. They are great for > street use and up to about 5500 rpm. Because of the added weight > compared to the AE Hepolite pistons (or forged racing pistons) we > never considered them really suitable for racing or high rpm use. > > Greg Solow > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac at camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From herald948 at aol.com Wed Nov 24 17:15:40 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 19:15:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice... Message-ID: <8CD5A4D06FE8FE1-C84-D622@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> The "Standrive" / "Triumatic" used a "Newton Bennett" centrifugal clutch, and solenoids and servos handled changing gear (push the switch on the end of the shift lever and then move the lever as you would a manual gearbox). In fact, it was the same gearbox otherwise. All rather clever if complicated, and apparently somewhat troublesome over the years.... ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: jerryvv Did those transmissions have a torque converter as well as a clutch like the old Chrysler products from the 1950's? From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Nov 24 22:38:16 2010 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 21:38:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice... In-Reply-To: <8CD5A4D06FE8FE1-C84-D622@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD5A4D06FE8FE1-C84-D622@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <081601cb8c62$f5a4c110$0301a8c0@randall> > The "Standrive" / "Triumatic" used a "Newton Bennett" > centrifugal clutch, FWIW, the VW version had a torque converter, perhaps more similar to those Chrysler products of the 50's. I don't recall the entire clutch linkage, but it started with an electrical switch at the bottom of the gear lever, that was supposed to sense when the driver grabbed the shift knob; and involved a device that looked rather like a power brake booster. I owned one briefly, but not long enough to make it work. -- Randall From kaskas at cox.net Thu Nov 25 09:11:15 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 08:11:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Address needed Message-ID: <6218005F77E04476B4877FDFC2C5B769@KasPC> BOB KRAMER please send me your mailing address. From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Nov 25 17:43:29 2010 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 19:43:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2500/2000 seperate bell housing Message-ID: <000301cb8d02$f1f09d00$d5d1d700$@rr.com> Is there such a thing as a standalone bell housing that would fit the 2500cc engine of a TR6 or 250? I have a modification I want to try. I'm working on trying a 5 speed Ford Type 9 behind a 2500 engine. Any info appreciated. Thanks Russ Moore From herald948 at aol.com Thu Nov 25 20:04:07 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 22:04:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 2500/2000 seperate bell housing In-Reply-To: <000301cb8d02$f1f09d00$d5d1d700$@rr.com> References: <000301cb8d02$f1f09d00$d5d1d700$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CD5B2DB92346F4-C84-202DA@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> The GT6/Vitesse bellhousing comes to mind! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing To: fot Sent: Thu, Nov 25, 2010 7:45 pm Subject: [Fot] 2500/2000 seperate bell housing Is there such a thing as a standalone bell housing that would fit the 2500cc engine of a TR6 or 250? I have a modification I want to try. I'm working on trying a 5 speed Ford Type 9 behind a 2500 engine. Any info appreciated. Thanks From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Nov 26 02:17:54 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 10:17:54 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Photos Season 2010 In-Reply-To: <8CD5B2DB92346F4-C84-202DA@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> References: <000301cb8d02$f1f09d00$d5d1d700$@rr.com> <8CD5B2DB92346F4-C84-202DA@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001c01cb8d4a$d0c83870$7258a950$@com> I've just updated my webpage with some photos: http://www.tr4-racing.de/deu/gallery2010.html Cheers Chris From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Nov 26 11:25:41 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 10:25:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help Message-ID: <66373964-9A58-478A-8EB8-3DC5A3281639@aol.com> Listers, I acquired a TR3-4 billet crank that has non-stock dimensions at the rear seal and flywheel end. I can't seem to get any info /history on the original set-up. The crank is like a TR6 with no flange to mount the flywheel, but the diameter at the rear seal is 3.125" (versus something under 3" for stock TR6 and 2.5" for the no scroll TR3-4 upgrade seal). I posted a picture showing the crank next to a stock unit @: http://s840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/jfrymark/TR4%20Crankshaft/ Any one know of this set-up or a rear seal for this crank? Also, I have investigated a run of TR3-4 billet crankshafts from Marine Crankshaft, a highly respected shop in Santa Ana, CA. Price is under $2500 depending on run size. If you might be interested, let me know off-line. No obligation at this time...info gathering only. Thanks, John Frymark VARA DP #67 TR4A From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Nov 26 12:05:31 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 13:05:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help In-Reply-To: <66373964-9A58-478A-8EB8-3DC5A3281639@aol.com> References: <66373964-9A58-478A-8EB8-3DC5A3281639@aol.com> Message-ID: <20101126190505.A96A0187878@autox.team.net> Looks like the crankshaft that Cambridge sells: http://www.cambridgemotorsport.com/Historic-Racing-Parts-TR4-Crankshaft-Flywheels I think you need a flywheel manufactured to fit as well. Cool set up. Flywheels are listed on that page too. While the seal isn't listed there (and I didn't search the whole site for it), I would think they could get you set up with the proper seal and housing. - Tony Drews At 12:25 PM 11/26/2010, John Frymark wrote: >Listers, > >I acquired a TR3-4 billet crank that has non-stock dimensions at the >rear seal and flywheel end. I can't seem to get any info /history on >the original set-up. > >The crank is like a TR6 with no flange to mount the flywheel, but the >diameter at the rear seal is 3.125" (versus something under 3" for >stock TR6 and 2.5" for the no scroll TR3-4 upgrade seal). I posted a >picture showing the crank next to a stock unit @: > >http://s840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/jfrymark/TR4%20Crankshaft/ > >Any one know of this set-up or a rear seal for this crank? > >Also, I have investigated a run of TR3-4 billet crankshafts from >Marine Crankshaft, a highly respected shop in Santa Ana, CA. Price is >under $2500 depending on run size. If you might be interested, let me >know off-line. No obligation at this time...info gathering only. > >Thanks, >John Frymark >VARA DP #67 TR4A >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Nov 26 12:50:53 2010 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 11:50:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help In-Reply-To: <20101126190505.A96A0187878@autox.team.net> References: <66373964-9A58-478A-8EB8-3DC5A3281639@aol.com>, <20101126190505.A96A0187878@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I'm pretty sure the seal you need for the 12 bolt crank , is from the "kent" ford engine (formula ford). It's a one piece lip seal. I can't remember but i think you have to do a little maching on the Block/cap for the out dia. of the seal. I can supply an alloy flywheel/clutch assembly approx. weight is 12.5 lbs. cost is P.O.A. Thanks Tony > Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 13:05:31 -0600 > To: jfrymark at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: tony at tonydrews.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help > > Looks like the crankshaft that Cambridge sells: > http://www.cambridgemotorsport.com/Historic-Racing-Parts-TR4-Crankshaft-Flywh eels > > I think you need a flywheel manufactured to fit as well. Cool set > up. Flywheels are listed on that page too. While the seal isn't > listed there (and I didn't search the whole site for it), I would > think they could get you set up with the proper seal and housing. > > - Tony Drews > > At 12:25 PM 11/26/2010, John Frymark wrote: > >Listers, > > > >I acquired a TR3-4 billet crank that has non-stock dimensions at the > >rear seal and flywheel end. I can't seem to get any info /history on > >the original set-up. > > > >The crank is like a TR6 with no flange to mount the flywheel, but the > >diameter at the rear seal is 3.125" (versus something under 3" for > >stock TR6 and 2.5" for the no scroll TR3-4 upgrade seal). I posted a > >picture showing the crank next to a stock unit @: > > > >http://s840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/jfrymark/TR4%20Crankshaft/ > > > >Any one know of this set-up or a rear seal for this crank? > > > >Also, I have investigated a run of TR3-4 billet crankshafts from > >Marine Crankshaft, a highly respected shop in Santa Ana, CA. Price is > >under $2500 depending on run size. If you might be interested, let me > >know off-line. No obligation at this time...info gathering only. > > > >Thanks, > >John Frymark > >VARA DP #67 TR4A > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Nov 26 15:33:35 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 23:33:35 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help In-Reply-To: <66373964-9A58-478A-8EB8-3DC5A3281639@aol.com> References: <66373964-9A58-478A-8EB8-3DC5A3281639@aol.com> Message-ID: <001201cb8db9$f7f02dd0$e7d08970$@com> This crank looks like a Bastuck crank. I know of about 3 cranks broke from that design. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von John Frymark Gesendet: Freitag, 26. November 2010 19:26 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help Listers, I acquired a TR3-4 billet crank that has non-stock dimensions at the rear seal and flywheel end. I can't seem to get any info /history on the original set-up. The crank is like a TR6 with no flange to mount the flywheel, but the diameter at the rear seal is 3.125" (versus something under 3" for stock TR6 and 2.5" for the no scroll TR3-4 upgrade seal). I posted a picture showing the crank next to a stock unit @: http://s840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/jfrymark/TR4%20Crankshaft/ Any one know of this set-up or a rear seal for this crank? Also, I have investigated a run of TR3-4 billet crankshafts from Marine Crankshaft, a highly respected shop in Santa Ana, CA. Price is under $2500 depending on run size. If you might be interested, let me know off-line. No obligation at this time...info gathering only. Thanks, John Frymark VARA DP #67 TR4A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Nov 26 16:20:04 2010 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:20:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help In-Reply-To: References: <66373964-9A58-478A-8EB8-3DC5A3281639@aol.com>, <20101126190505.A96A0187878@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8DE53D5F-33D8-44F8-831A-E4985CDE3960@aol.com> That's it! Thanks for the expertise and fast replies from the Tonys. John Frymark On Nov 26, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: > I'm pretty sure the seal you need for the 12 bolt crank , is from > the "kent" ford engine (formula ford). It's a one piece lip seal. I > can't remember but i think you have to do a little maching on the > Block/cap for the out dia. of the seal. I can supply an alloy > flywheel/clutch assembly approx. weight is 12.5 lbs. cost is P.O.A. > > Thanks > Tony > > > Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 13:05:31 -0600 > > To: jfrymark at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net > > From: tony at tonydrews.com > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3-4 Billet crankshaft help > > > > Looks like the crankshaft that Cambridge sells: > > http://www.cambridgemotorsport.com/Historic-Racing-Parts-TR4-Crankshaft-Flywheels > > > > I think you need a flywheel manufactured to fit as well. Cool set > > up. Flywheels are listed on that page too. While the seal isn't > > listed there (and I didn't search the whole site for it), I would > > think they could get you set up with the proper seal and housing. > > > > - Tony Drews > > > > At 12:25 PM 11/26/2010, John Frymark wrote: > > >Listers, > > > > > >I acquired a TR3-4 billet crank that has non-stock dimensions at > the > > >rear seal and flywheel end. I can't seem to get any info /history > on > > >the original set-up. > > > > > >The crank is like a TR6 with no flange to mount the flywheel, but > the > > >diameter at the rear seal is 3.125" (versus something under 3" for > > >stock TR6 and 2.5" for the no scroll TR3-4 upgrade seal). I > posted a > > >picture showing the crank next to a stock unit @: > > > > > >http://s840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/jfrymark/TR4%20Crankshaft/ > > > > > >Any one know of this set-up or a rear seal for this crank? > > > > > >Also, I have investigated a run of TR3-4 billet crankshafts from > > >Marine Crankshaft, a highly respected shop in Santa Ana, CA. > Price is > > >under $2500 depending on run size. If you might be interested, > let me > > >know off-line. No obligation at this time...info gathering only. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >John Frymark > > >VARA DP #67 TR4A > > >_______________________________________________ > > >fot at autox.team.net > > > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From igofaster at att.net Fri Nov 26 18:17:56 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 17:17:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] KASTNERS BOOK ARRIVED Message-ID: <683823.49132.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Christmas came early, Mr. Kastners new book was in my mail slot today! I'll be busy for a day or two... bye bye ya'll...... thanks for the GT6 Chapters Kas!!!!! Bobby Whitehead From andre at gt6.ca Fri Nov 26 19:46:07 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 21:46:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] KASTNERS BOOK ARRIVED In-Reply-To: <683823.49132.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <683823.49132.qm@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've been checking my box daily, but it takes time to come North ;) Driving season is all over... Snow snow snow snow :( A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 26 November 2010 20:17, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Christmas came early, Mr. Kastners new book was in my mail slot today! > > I'll be busy for a day or two... bye bye ya'll...... thanks for > the GT6 Chapters Kas!!!!! > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Nov 27 09:24:10 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 11:24:10 EST Subject: [Fot] KASTNERS BOOK ARRIVED Message-ID: <93d29.37d82059.3a228aaa@aol.com> Mine came yesterday as well. It looks to be another excellent job but there's too much Chuck. The car looks good and lots of mention of adorable daughter Sammi, just too much Chuck;-)) In a message dated 11/26/2010 6:48:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, andre at gt6.ca writes: I've been checking my box daily, but it takes time to come North ;) Driving season is all over... Snow snow snow snow :( A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 26 November 2010 20:17, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Christmas came early, Mr. Kastners new book was in my mail slot today! > > I'll be busy for a day or two... bye bye ya'll...... thanks for > the GT6 Chapters Kas!!!!! > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From jerrybarr at charter.net Sat Nov 27 09:54:30 2010 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:54:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KASTNERS BOOK ARRIVED In-Reply-To: <93d29.37d82059.3a228aaa@aol.com> References: <93d29.37d82059.3a228aaa@aol.com> Message-ID: <49CEFDE8-096B-43E0-BDCB-750094C7A16E@charter.net> There is always ice racing! For you west coasters that is when the lakes freeze we go racing on the ice. I tried ice fishing but I never found a good recipe for cooking the ice that I caught. On Nov 27, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > Mine came yesterday as well. It looks to be another excellent job but > there's too much Chuck. The car looks good and lots of mention of adorable > daughter Sammi, just too much Chuck;-)) > > > In a message dated 11/26/2010 6:48:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > andre at gt6.ca writes: > > I've been checking my box daily, but it takes time to come North ;) > > Driving season is all over... Snow snow snow snow :( > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > On 26 November 2010 20:17, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> Christmas came early, Mr. Kastners new book was in my mail slot today! >> >> I'll be busy for a day or two... bye bye ya'll...... thanks > for >> the GT6 Chapters Kas!!!!! >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sat Nov 27 11:33:57 2010 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:33:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] KASTNERS BOOK ARRIVED In-Reply-To: <49CEFDE8-096B-43E0-BDCB-750094C7A16E@charter.net> References: <93d29.37d82059.3a228aaa@aol.com> <49CEFDE8-096B-43E0-BDCB-750094C7A16E@charter.net> Message-ID: <4DF3F17A-DE17-41CF-8D4B-EED58A72B374@aol.com> Please stop tormenting me! I haven't been able to check my mailbox yet. I am looking forward to Monday (hopefully) checking my mailbox and spending a few hours reading it. On Nov 27, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Jerry Barr wrote: > There is always ice racing! For you west coasters that is when the lakes > freeze we go racing on the ice. I tried ice fishing but I never found a good > recipe for cooking the ice that I caught. > On Nov 27, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > >> Mine came yesterday as well. It looks to be another excellent job but >> there's too much Chuck. The car looks good and lots of mention of adorable >> daughter Sammi, just too much Chuck;-)) >> >> >> In a message dated 11/26/2010 6:48:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> andre at gt6.ca writes: >> >> I've been checking my box daily, but it takes time to come North ;) >> >> Driving season is all over... Snow snow snow snow :( >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> >> On 26 November 2010 20:17, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>> Christmas came early, Mr. Kastners new book was in my mail slot today! >>> >>> I'll be busy for a day or two... bye bye ya'll...... thanks >> for >>> the GT6 Chapters Kas!!!!! >>> >>> Bobby Whitehead >>> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From cwnfot at gmail.com Mon Nov 29 21:23:10 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 23:23:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Top Gear In-Reply-To: <000001cb9040$371c2850$a55478f0$@rr.com> References: <000001cb9004$f25644c0$d702ce40$@net> <000001cb9040$371c2850$a55478f0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <00b001cb9046$4db3ca90$e91b5fb0$@com> I attended the premier showing of several segments and introduction to the stars of the American Top Gear at the LV Hilton Wednesday evening during SEMA in Las Vegas early November. My buddy fell asleep, neither of us found it compelling. We did get free soda, popcorn and a Tee-Shirt though. Buzz wasn't there, that would have been cool! The Pawn Star guys were there somewhere but didn't go on stage. Hey, did you see the NOS Cobra bare aluminum Cobra body someone brought them, abandoned in a storage unit? There's a story there for sure! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From markvaden at gmail.com Tue Nov 30 22:02:51 2010 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:02:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Racing Software Message-ID: Hi Everyone, As many of you already know, as a side project for the past 3 years I have been working on a piece of software with a colleague called DashWare. DashWare allows you to analyze video and data together, as well as overlay gauges on top of video. Until recently ChaseCam was our exclusive distributor, and they handled all of our sales and marketing. Our software always worked with a variety of data loggers and cameras, but most of our sales were to ChaseCam customers. In an attempt to widen our appeal, in addition to selling through ChaseCam, we are also selling DashWare independantly of ChaseCam at www.DashWare.net. We are still working with ChaseCam, and in fact their new DIVA system uses DashWare for all the analysis. If you are in the market for a camera and logger I would definitely recommend the DIVA. If you already have a camera and a logger, or are thinking of buying either, check out DashWare. DashWare works with almost every data logger on the market, as well as many cameras including ChaseCam, GoPro, ContourHD, ContourGPS and others. One feature that we really like is our compatibility with multiple loggers, as this increases the likelihood of comparing your data to someone else's. There is more information and a free trial available at www.DashWare.net. I know commercial posts are controversial on the FOT mailing list, but since our product was built with racing in mind, I thought it was appropriate. I myself like seeing what products other triumph racers are offering, but I understand people do not like to be bombarded with ads. If you have any questions you can ping me directly or visit the website at www.DashWare.net. Thanks, Mark From billb at bnj.com Tue Nov 30 23:23:24 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:23:24 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Racing Software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F855B12-A402-45B8-B7FF-ADA8DFFEF853@bnj.com> We're not commies Mark, a reasonable pitch for relevant product should be welcome. On Nov 30, 2010, at 7:02 PM, Mark Vaden wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > As many of you already know, as a side project for the past 3 years I have > been working on a piece of software with a colleague called DashWare. > DashWare allows you to analyze video and data together, as well as overlay > gauges on top of video. Until recently ChaseCam was our exclusive > distributor, and they handled all of our sales and marketing. Our software > always worked with a variety of data loggers and cameras, but most of our > sales were to ChaseCam customers. In an attempt to widen our appeal, in > addition to selling through ChaseCam, we are also selling DashWare > independantly of ChaseCam at www.DashWare.net. We are still working with > ChaseCam, and in fact their new DIVA system uses DashWare for all the > analysis. If you are in the market for a camera and logger I would > definitely recommend the DIVA. > > If you already have a camera and a logger, or are thinking of buying either, > check out DashWare. DashWare works with almost every data logger on the > market, as well as many cameras including ChaseCam, GoPro, ContourHD, > ContourGPS and others. One feature that we really like is our compatibility > with multiple loggers, as this increases the likelihood of comparing your > data to someone else's. There is more information and a free trial > available at www.DashWare.net. > > I know commercial posts are controversial on the FOT mailing list, but since > our product was built with racing in mind, I thought it was appropriate. I > myself like seeing what products other triumph racers are offering, but I > understand people do not like to be bombarded with ads. If you have any > questions you can ping me directly or visit the website at www.DashWare.net. > > Thanks, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com