-----Original Message----- From: LimeyV8 at aol.com you should have been there - I was - and, in my TR8, I was only 5 seconds faster than Jamie in a Standard Vangaurd. ==AM== I've seen Jamie autocross in the past; he's pretty darned good at it. Besides, it was a Vanguard *Sportsman* -- practically a five- (or maybe even six-) seater TR3! :-) --Andy Mace