From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat May 1 11:37:36 2010 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 13:37:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] sending unit question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDC66E0.7060605@twcny.rr.com> IMHO go to sears and buy an infrared temperature gun - make sure it has the laser pointer. They only get expensive if you have to read to 2000F. They are dirt cheap and once I purchased one I use it all the time. From soldering to welding to tire temperatures they are fantastic. I get my engines good and hot and benchmark (document) all the bearing surfaces temps e.g. water pump, alternator and a few other key places. When I hear something untoward, just go over it with the temp gun and it quickly identifies the issue. Great purchase - father's day coming... Cheers, M From mdhado at comcast.net Sun May 2 08:13:02 2010 From: mdhado at comcast.net (M&M Hado) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 09:13:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping Message-ID: I have an A-Type overdrive in a TR4 that is slipping under load. Classic problem, I know, but bear with me please. It started out as a standard rebuild on a unit that had only 300-350 psi and wouldn't hold. It is a single-spring accumulator type. The piston rings were broken and it was dirty and basically clapped out so I did a standard rebuild of both the OD and gearbox, replacing all wearing components in the overdrive including the large thrust ring bearing. When done, I got 420 psi on the bench and it would not hold at all in OD when installed and put on the road, slipping out at the slightest throttle increase. I had the pressure gage in place for the road test and the pressure was steady except for the usual temporary drop when engaged. I ruled out any electrical issues by powering the solenoid directly by hand with a jumper. I took it out of the car again for inspection and found nothing unusual. There is plenty of liner surface left so I cleaned the cone clutch thoroughly and roughed up the surface to remove any glazing. Since the slipping point is between the clutch outside liner and break ring, I set the brake ring on the bench and lowered the cone clutch slowly to mate them up and thought there was a less than even contact. In other words, the clutch looked like it could be slightly oval and therefore would have a two-point contact rather than circumferential contact all around. It seemed to wobble slightly instead of being a tight even fit. It was ever so slight and after several attempts, I wasn't even sure it was a problem. It's hard to measure the clutch and break ring diameters because of the tapered surfaces. I wish I had put in a lathe to check the runout. To make a long story even longer, I added a washer or two under the accumulator spring and put it back in the car. Now I have no less than 525 psi which should be more than enough. The overdrive now kicks in and holds at steady highway speeds but kicks down like an automatic transmission when slightly more throttle is applied. It's worse in second and third gears because of the higher torque. It has to come out again and my plan is to change out the clutch and brake ring since I don't know what else to focus on. Any other ideas or suggestions? Thanks, Mike From cartravel at pobox.com Sun May 2 13:11:36 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 14:11:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDDCE68.7030401@pobox.com> Mike, You say it "kicks out of overdrive" when you apply the throttle. Does it not go back into overdrive when you let off the throttle? This is what I would expect if you have a slipping brake lining. If it doesn't go back into overdrive wouldn't that indicate a leak? Larry M&M Hado wrote: From budscars at comcast.net Sun May 2 13:46:15 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 12:46:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping References: <4BDDCE68.7030401@pobox.com> Message-ID: <701641F1ACAD4A3C9469EE8F0D86FF44@Bud> Hi Larry...just for the heck of it check the relays on the top of tranny..see if any connectors are loose...make sure ground is tight... RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "M&M Hado" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping > Mike, > You say it "kicks out of overdrive" when you apply the throttle. Does it > not go back into overdrive when you let off the throttle? This is what > I would expect if you have a slipping brake lining. If it doesn't go > back into overdrive wouldn't that indicate a leak? Larry > > M&M Hado wrote: > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun May 2 16:13:22 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 15:13:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <020f01caea44$ae17ee00$0301a8c0@randall> > Any other ideas or suggestions? Sounds to me like something else is blocking the motion of the clutch cone. Perhaps the carrier is hitting the housing? Or the direct drive springs getting into coil bind (perhaps the long springs installed in the short position)? ISTR the thrust is taken by two big circlips that hold the thrust bearing in place ... perhaps one of the circlips is out of place or missing? Nelson even mentions that problem in his tech article (in the section on assembling the sliding clutch): http://www.buckeyetriumphs.org/technical/AOD/AOD3/AOD3.htm Randall From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sun May 2 17:26:35 2010 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 19:26:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping References: Message-ID: <83689C0945894D4D836B1BA971AAB289@elliott7455dae> Over on the right side there is a hole that you have to line up with a drill of a certain diameter. Recently, owners of TRs with "A" type overdrives have reported that if you move the lever arm a bit one way or the other that you can find a "sweet spot" where the problem disappears. The drill won't line up but the overdrive will not slip. Also you mentioned that the piston rings were broken. The early TR2s had overdrives with smaller pistons and steel rings in the piston grooves much like we all find in the pistons in the engine. Later, Laycock re-developed the overdrive with larger pistons (hence more pressure) and these larger pistons did not have piston rings - they came with o-rings. I have 325 psi oil pressure using Valvoline 20-W 30 Racing oil and while I have to let up for a millisecond when switching into 2nd overdrive only, the 325 psi oil pressure I measured is sufficient for the "A" type overdrive in my 1958 TR3A. Don Elliott, Original Owner, 1958 TR3A, Montreal -------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "M&M Hado" To: Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:13 AM Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping >I have an A-Type overdrive in a TR4 that is slipping under load. Classic > problem, I know, but bear with me please. It started out as a standard > rebuild on a unit that had only 300-350 psi and wouldn't hold. It is a > single-spring accumulator type. The piston rings were broken and it was > dirty and basically clapped out so I did a standard rebuild of both the OD > and gearbox, replacing all wearing components in the overdrive including > the > large thrust ring bearing. > > When done, I got 420 psi on the bench and it would not hold at all in OD > when installed and put on the road, slipping out at the slightest throttle > increase. I had the pressure gage in place for the road test and the > pressure was steady except for the usual temporary drop when engaged. I > ruled out any electrical issues by powering the solenoid directly by hand > with a jumper. > > I took it out of the car again for inspection and found nothing unusual. > There is plenty of liner surface left so I cleaned the cone clutch > thoroughly and roughed up the surface to remove any glazing. Since the > slipping point is between the clutch outside liner and break ring, I set > the > brake ring on the bench and lowered the cone clutch slowly to mate them up > and thought there was a less than even contact. In other words, the > clutch > looked like it could be slightly oval and therefore would have a two-point > contact rather than circumferential contact all around. It seemed to > wobble > slightly instead of being a tight even fit. It was ever so slight and > after > several attempts, I wasn't even sure it was a problem. It's hard to > measure > the clutch and break ring diameters because of the tapered surfaces. I > wish > I had put in a lathe to check the runout. > > To make a long story even longer, I added a washer or two under the > accumulator spring and put it back in the car. Now I have no less than > 525 > psi which should be more than enough. The overdrive now kicks in and > holds > at steady highway speeds but kicks down like an automatic transmission > when > slightly more throttle is applied. It's worse in second and third gears > because of the higher torque. It has to come out again and my plan is to > change out the clutch and brake ring since I don't know what else to focus > on. Any other ideas or suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca From fogbro1 at comcast.net Sun May 2 18:03:33 2010 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 20:03:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind References: <020f01caea44$ae17ee00$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <6F84EDE071144B1EBEA8B27FDFC073DB@Edscomputer> List, Some of the brand new spring sets are furnished with springs of equal length. I recall installing one set successfully but was very concerned about coil bind, having measured the collasped length of the inner (red) spring and made an educated guess of the available space within the overdrive. ISTR that there was 1/16" of an inch to spare. Since then, I've been buying sets from TRF than have some differential between the short and long springs, although not quite the 1/4" the manuals spec. Ed Woods From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun May 2 19:26:42 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 18:26:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping In-Reply-To: <83689C0945894D4D836B1BA971AAB289@elliott7455dae> References: <83689C0945894D4D836B1BA971AAB289@elliott7455dae> Message-ID: <029e01caea5f$b0830650$0301a8c0@randall> > Later, > Laycock re-developed > the overdrive with larger pistons (hence more pressure) and > these larger > pistons did not have piston rings - they came with o-rings. I believe the piston size got larger during the TR2 run (when OD in 2nd & 3rd was added); but the O-ring seals did not come in until 1964 or so. Anyway, my original TR3A OD had the larger pistons with cast iron rings on them. > I have 325 psi oil pressure Too low, IMO. The TR4 workshop manual (which is for the same OD as used by TR3-3B) says 380-400 is required. At 420 psi (with Redline MT-90), I can shift into 2nd OD at full throttle and no sign of slipping. Note that the factory specified pressures as high as 500 psi for some applications (early Stag), so I don't think there is any concern over the unit being able to handle the pressure. The point about setting the operating valve is a good one; but incorrect setting will normally just cause the unit to shift slowly or not work at all, rather than slip in overdrive. Best practice, IMO, is to ignore the "setting lever" and measure the ball movement directly. Opinions vary on how much the ball should move (See Nelson's article for a study of behavior at various lifts), but I use .030 - .040" based on an old article by Del Border (which was actually for a big Healey, and said 1/32" - 1/16"). The TR4 OD I have in my TR3 gives almost exactly 1/32" lift with the setting lever lined up, and does have some wear in the linkage, so I feel this gives credence to the numbers that Del quoted. Randall From mdhado at comcast.net Sun May 2 19:46:10 2010 From: mdhado at comcast.net (M&M Hado) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 20:46:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind In-Reply-To: <6F84EDE071144B1EBEA8B27FDFC073DB@Edscomputer> Message-ID: Ed, That's a great thought and Randall had also suggested the possibility of coil binding and I had not considered that. I have a spare unit and measured the distance between the seating surfaces of the springs and it's about 3 1/32" on the inner land (for the shorter springs) and the outer is about 3.5". Also, when the OD is engaged, this distance is reduced by 1/16" to 3/32" depending on the wear of the clutch. I then measured the length of the springs when they are coil bound and the long ones are around 2 15/16" on average and the short ones are 2.5". Do the math and you can see that if the longer springs are used where the short ones should be, they will be right at the binding point when the OD is engaged. The compressed spring absolute minimum length is 2 15/16" and the space to put it in is the same, or slightly less! Most of the OD's I've done have about the same size springs +/- 1/8" so I simply put the slightly shorter ones on the inner lands, thinking there is plenty of space. Clearly there is the possibility that they will bind. Thanks, again, for your suggestions and I'll let you know how it goes after I take this apart for the third time. Lessen learned. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Ed Woods Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:04 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind List, Some of the brand new spring sets are furnished with springs of equal length. I recall installing one set successfully but was very concerned about coil bind, having measured the collasped length of the inner (red) spring and made an educated guess of the available space within the overdrive. ISTR that there was 1/16" of an inch to spare. Since then, I've been buying sets from TRF than have some differential between the short and long springs, although not quite the 1/4" the manuals spec. Ed Woods _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mdhado at comcast.net From mdhado at comcast.net Sun May 2 20:12:41 2010 From: mdhado at comcast.net (M&M Hado) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 21:12:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping In-Reply-To: <029e01caea5f$b0830650$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: Regarding the line-up of the lever and hole, I agree that this is ballpark at best. My final setting is always based on getting the ball above the seat sufficiently to get the pressure to the pistons in a "reasonable" time. On a related note, I just learned recently of the reason for decreasing the diameter of the accumulator piston on the later A-types. The original larger accumulator piston results in a greater volume of oil being "accumulated" under pressure. When the unit is engaged, the pressure falls off as the oil rushes to the operating pistons, but it only falls slightly because of the volume in the system. By going to a smaller piston and less volume, the pressure drops off more and it takes the pump slightly longer to build up the oil pressure which results in a smoother shift. In other words, the later units will not "slam in" as hard as the older units seem to sometimes. Made sense to me. Mike The point about setting the operating valve is a good one; but incorrect setting will normally just cause the unit to shift slowly or not work at all, rather than slip in overdrive. Best practice, IMO, is to ignore the "setting lever" and measure the ball movement directly. Opinions vary on how much the ball should move (See Nelson's article for a study of behavior at various lifts), but I use .030 - .040" based on an old article by Del Border (which was actually for a big Healey, and said 1/32" - 1/16"). The TR4 OD I have in my TR3 gives almost exactly 1/32" lift with the setting lever lined up, and does have some wear in the linkage, so I feel this gives credence to the numbers that Del quoted. Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mdhado at comcast.net From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon May 3 06:17:00 2010 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 05:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Funny and Interesting Quote on Planes and Triumphs Message-ID: <86224.15293.qm@web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >From the Detroit Free Press, Sunday 05-02-2010 in a travel section article: Planes: All except two were your basic crowded Boeing 737s or Airbus A319s. The smallest was a surprisingly comfortable 60-seat Embraer RJ145 from Houston to Mexico City. The oldest was a 1970s B-era DC-9 on a Delta route between Detroit and Hartford, Conn. When things got bumpy, that DC-9 bounced around like a dog on a trampoline. b When are you going to get rid of this old plane?b I asked the pilot as we were exiting. He grinned and said he loved flyB-ing it because it was reliable and like driving his old TriB-umph sports car. B B Doug Mitchell -- dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon May 3 06:20:19 2010 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:20:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 7/16 TR4 rear wheel studs Message-ID: Amici, I'm looking for some longer rear axle (stock axle & hub) wheel studs for my TR4. I would like some that are about 2" long that are 7/16-20 thread that would replace the stock wheel studs without modification. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad From fasttrs at yahoo.com Mon May 3 06:31:07 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 05:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 7/16 TR4 rear wheel studs Message-ID: <789237.91411.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Moroso made some that were 2.5" long that I have used on several race cars. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2010, at 7:20 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: Amici, I'm looking for some longer rear axle (stock axle & hub) wheel studs for my TR4. I would like some that are about 2" long that are 7/16-20 thread that would replace the stock wheel studs without modification. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From jsnook at wcnet.org Mon May 3 07:38:48 2010 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:38:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Gingerman Race Message-ID: <003001caeac5$f60ffbe0$e22ff3a0$@org> Just back from racing my TR3 at Gingerman Raceway in South Haven, Michigan. Only a 2 day race weekend since Friday was the VSCDA annual driver's school. I was breaking in a new motor so the first three sessions were RPM limited. Finally was able to race harder during the qualifying race during the last session on Saturday and the car ran great....... Thanks to Glen Efinger and Terry Stetler!!! Sunday appeared to be a rain-out so I packed up and left for home early with my "Mission Accomplished"! Only two other FOTers in attendance (that I was aware of), Bob Wismer (1/2 the Beady Eye Racing Team) in his TR4, and the father & son team of Tim and Ryan Murphy. This was son Ryan's turn at the wheel this weekend and he was flogging their TR4 around quite briskly despite some high speed missing problems. They have done a very nice job of bringing this old TR4 race car back to life and should be proud of the car's beautiful presentation. Vroom, vroom, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com From BillDentin at aol.com Mon May 3 09:10:52 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 11:10:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] Mike Rothschild article... Message-ID: <13cda.6f9c9366.3910417c@aol.com> Amici... For any of you wishing to see a picture of Mordy Dunst, when he was young and good looking, you need to seek a copy of the current issue of TRIUMPH WORLD. My copy arrived Saturday day, and while I've not read it yet, there's an article about Mike Rothschild (Mordy's father-in-law, and Golden Age Triumph racer) by Paul Richardson. Like I say, there's a nice picture included of the family along with Ken and Paul Richardson. Apparently at one time Mordy was young and good looking. Bill (Damdinger) PS Some feel that engine swaps and other customizing efforts of the TRIUMPH TRs is sacrilegious, and a NO-NO. But the pictures of another article about a V8 powered, seriously customized TR6 sure caught my eye. Depending upon your tastes the front end might be a little over the top, but I could live with it, and I sure like what he did with the rear end. I'd like to drive this car. From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon May 3 09:35:40 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 11:35:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Mike Rothschild article... Message-ID: <15805.1346ee8c.3910474c@aol.com> Ya know, I can remember when Mordy was young... In a message dated 5/3/2010 8:34:31 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, BillDentin at aol.com writes: Amici... For any of you wishing to see a picture of Mordy Dunst, when he was young and good looking, you need to seek a copy of the current issue of TRIUMPH WORLD. My copy arrived Saturday day, and while I've not read it yet, there's an article about Mike Rothschild (Mordy's father-in-law, and Golden Age Triumph racer) by Paul Richardson. Like I say, there's a nice picture included of the family along with Ken and Paul Richardson. Apparently at one time Mordy was young and good looking. Bill (Damdinger) PS Some feel that engine swaps and other customizing efforts of the TRIUMPH TRs is sacrilegious, and a NO-NO. But the pictures of another article about a V8 powered, seriously customized TR6 sure caught my eye. Depending upon your tastes the front end might be a little over the top, but I could live with it, and I sure like what he did with the rear end. I'd like to drive this car. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From cartravel at pobox.com Mon May 3 09:42:09 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 10:42:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDEEED1.4090504@pobox.com> Mike, Randall made a good point about the springs. I measured several of these for my articles at vtr.org. The length difference was much less than 1/8 inch. The most important difference is the wire gauge. The long springs have a larger wire gauge which causes the coil bind differences you've observed. The pressure spec on the A-types is 360 psi for the early ones with large accumulators and 450 for the later ones. I've seen pressures of 650 recommended for racing, but I think that is overkill. Larry M&M Hado wrote: > Ed, > > That's a great thought and Randall had also suggested the possibility of > coil binding and I had not considered that. I have a spare unit and > measured the distance between the seating surfaces of the springs and it's > about 3 1/32" on the inner land (for the shorter springs) and the outer is > about 3.5". Also, when the OD is engaged, this distance is reduced by 1/16" > to 3/32" depending on the wear of the clutch. > > I then measured the length of the springs when they are coil bound and the > long ones are around 2 15/16" on average and the short ones are 2.5". Do > the math and you can see that if the longer springs are used where the short > ones should be, they will be right at the binding point when the OD is > engaged. The compressed spring absolute minimum length is 2 15/16" and the > space to put it in is the same, or slightly less! > > Most of the OD's I've done have about the same size springs +/- 1/8" so I > simply put the slightly shorter ones on the inner lands, thinking there is > plenty of space. Clearly there is the possibility that they will bind. > > Thanks, again, for your suggestions and I'll let you know how it goes after > I take this apart for the third time. Lessen learned. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Ed Woods > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:04 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind > > > List, > > Some of the brand new spring sets are furnished with springs of equal > length. I recall installing one set successfully but was very concerned > about coil bind, having measured the collasped length of the inner (red) > spring and made an educated guess of the available space within the > overdrive. ISTR that there was 1/16" of an inch to spare. Since then, I've > been buying sets from TRF than have some differential between the short and > long springs, although not quite the 1/4" the manuals spec. > > Ed Woods > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mdhado at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From chasgee at aol.com Mon May 3 09:43:22 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 11:43:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mike Rothschild article... In-Reply-To: <13cda.6f9c9366.3910417c@aol.com> References: <13cda.6f9c9366.3910417c@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CCB8EE7F2C1D5F-1ED0-4689@webmail-m022.sysops.aol.com> although I agree that Mordy was once young, I feel that good looking is a stretch... His sons have turned out good though, it must skip a generation. From BillDentin at aol.com Mon May 3 09:56:59 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 11:56:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] Mike Rothschild article... Message-ID: <17960.26be1517.39104c4b@aol.com> In a message dated 05/03/2010 10:43:37 AM Central Daylight Time, chasgee at aol.com writes: > although I agree that Mordy was once young, I feel that good looking is > a stretch... > > His sons have turned out good though, it must skip a generation. > Naw. That ain't it. The picture has the answer to that as well. Look at his wife. Clearly, Mordy married UP. Bill From spitlist at cox.net Mon May 3 10:07:12 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:07:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 7/16 TR4 rear wheel studs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Brad, If you go metric, it will open a whole wealth of options. Take an old stud to your local auto parts store and ask to look in their Dorman's catalog. You will look for the one that fits the shank and is the length you want. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Kahler Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:20 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] 7/16 TR4 rear wheel studs Amici, I'm looking for some longer rear axle (stock axle & hub) wheel studs for my TR4. I would like some that are about 2" long that are 7/16-20 thread that would replace the stock wheel studs without modification. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon May 3 11:11:45 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 13:11:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] 7/16 TR4 rear wheel studs Message-ID: <1d411.77b324ff.39105dd1@cs.com> 12 mm is the size I think....tons of them > Brad, > If you go metric, it will open a whole wealth of options. Take an old stud > to your local auto parts store and ask to look in their Dorman's catalog. > You will look for the one that fits the shank and is the length you want. > > Joe C. > From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Mon May 3 12:43:02 2010 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 18:43:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 7/16 TR4 rear wheel studs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100503184303.5XF58.305181.root@cdptpa-web18-z01> There is an ARP that have splines that slightly to large. I turn them on a lathe to make the spline fit and then put a touch of weld on the back side as security. Bob ---- Joe Curry wrote: > Brad, > If you go metric, it will open a whole wealth of options. Take an old stud > to your local auto parts store and ask to look in their Dorman's catalog. > You will look for the one that fits the shank and is the length you want. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Brad Kahler > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:20 AM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] 7/16 TR4 rear wheel studs > > Amici, > > I'm looking for some longer rear axle (stock axle & hub) wheel studs > for my TR4. I would like some that are about 2" long that are 7/16-20 > thread that would replace the stock wheel studs without modification. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From mdhado at comcast.net Mon May 3 13:05:54 2010 From: mdhado at comcast.net (M&M Hado) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 14:05:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind In-Reply-To: <4BDEEED1.4090504@pobox.com> Message-ID: Larry, Thanks for your additional comments. That makes me feel a little better about the 525 psi I have now but still may reduce it once I go into the OD again to investigate the springs. One thing not mentioned in any of the threads is the fact that some springs I've seen are LH and some are RH coils. Do you know the significance of this and if it matters? I don't think it's as simple as the short springs are one type and the long springs are another. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young [mailto:cartravel at pobox.com] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:42 AM To: M&M Hado; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind Mike, Randall made a good point about the springs. I measured several of these for my articles at vtr.org. The length difference was much less than 1/8 inch. The most important difference is the wire gauge. The long springs have a larger wire gauge which causes the coil bind differences you've observed. The pressure spec on the A-types is 360 psi for the early ones with large accumulators and 450 for the later ones. I've seen pressures of 650 recommended for racing, but I think that is overkill. Larry From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon May 3 16:21:47 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 17:21:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Gingerman Race In-Reply-To: <003001caeac5$f60ffbe0$e22ff3a0$@org> References: <003001caeac5$f60ffbe0$e22ff3a0$@org> Message-ID: <000001caeb0f$05c2f4e0$1148dea0$@com> Thanks for the compliments Jeff! The warm up was rained out Sunday morning but it cleared up and all the races were run in really nice weather, sunny and mid-60's. Ryan spent most of the 15 lap feature race chasing Mike Fisher in his white Group 2M1 1960 Austin Healy 3000 Mk I. He could stay with him through the corners but just didn't have enough to get him on the straights. Good racing and as Mike is a very experienced driver, a good learning experience following him. We also have our starting problem back where it loads up and we have to leave the fuel pump off until it cleans out then can switch on and it runs fine. I think one or both needle and seats in the SU H6's are leaking. They've been there for about 1800 race miles so the vibration has probably done them in. I've just ordered new ones from Moss (they only have the ones with the Viton tips) and am hoping that will solve the problem. It would just stumble a bit at the end of the straight and in the long sweeper. I have to take a look at the video from the race and see if the EGT's show me anything. We re-aimed the camera to pick up the gauges and Ryan gave an indication when it would stumble. Looks like I'll be doing some more early Sunday morning road testing on our town road again. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Snook Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:39 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Gingerman Race Just back from racing my TR3 at Gingerman Raceway in South Haven, Michigan. Only a 2 day race weekend since Friday was the VSCDA annual driver's school. I was breaking in a new motor so the first three sessions were RPM limited. Finally was able to race harder during the qualifying race during the last session on Saturday and the car ran great....... Thanks to Glen Efinger and Terry Stetler!!! Sunday appeared to be a rain-out so I packed up and left for home early with my "Mission Accomplished"! Only two other FOTers in attendance (that I was aware of), Bob Wismer (1/2 the Beady Eye Racing Team) in his TR4, and the father & son team of Tim and Ryan Murphy. This was son Ryan's turn at the wheel this weekend and he was flogging their TR4 around quite briskly despite some high speed missing problems. They have done a very nice job of bringing this old TR4 race car back to life and should be proud of the car's beautiful presentation. Vroom, vroom, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Mon May 3 17:00:07 2010 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 09:00:07 +1000 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind Message-ID: I have encountered the "wrong" springs on a few occasions over the years. In all cases has happened when o/d is built from bits. As pointed out by others, there are various different "short & long" in the family of A type O/d's, and the wrong ones on the inner will stop the clutch travel. Rover & Healey had all 8 springs on 1 part of the bridge, not stepped, so you cant use the springs from them. The TR, 8-spring set, is quite unusual, if not unique Terry O'Beirne From dave at microworks.net Mon May 3 21:29:59 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 20:29:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laps on the new Track in AZ Message-ID: <4BDF94B7.6000500@microworks.net> Here are some on-board laps on the new track (Inde Motorsports) here in AZ. It is in Wilcox which is down south of Tucson. We may be going down there at the end of the month to run the kat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsnnU-0B52Y From KENMUN at aol.com Tue May 4 11:21:04 2010 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 13:21:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] tr 3/4 connecting rods Message-ID: <8012.1e58b877.3911b180@aol.com> fot, anyone have a set of con. rods they'd like to sell. thanks, ken m. vintage tr 3 racer. From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue May 4 17:38:31 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:38:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 filter head relief valve Message-ID: <001e01caebe2$e7ce8c90$b76ba5b0$@rr.com> I am trying to solve the little seeps I have around the filter head. Has anyone used an o-ring under a washer to seal the pressure relief valve adjusting screw lock nut? I thought I would give this a try but the o-rings available at the local autoparts store seems to be too thick and stand proud of the chamfer that used to be sealed by a lead wire. What have you guys used? Thanks, Greg From jgambony at gcecisp.com Tue May 4 18:36:46 2010 From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (Jim Gambony) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 19:36:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Any Spitfire owners running twin sidedraft Webers or Dellortos? Message-ID: <32F1F5B7D2E9411CA47E849CE98E152A@jrg> Subject line says it all. Please contact me off list, I'm trying to help another Spitfire owner. Cheers, Jim Dallas jgambony at gcecisp.com From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Tue May 4 19:01:20 2010 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 11:01:20 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 filter head relief valve In-Reply-To: <001e01caebe2$e7ce8c90$b76ba5b0$@rr.com> References: <001e01caebe2$e7ce8c90$b76ba5b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: Greg, I Just use some very THIN soldering wire wrapped a couple of times around the thread/under the washer. You can get a roll of this from any goods electronics/electrical shop for a few dollars. Works good for me. Cheers... Kind Regards Peter Vucinic http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2010 9:39 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 filter head relief valve I am trying to solve the little seeps I have around the filter head. Has anyone used an o-ring under a washer to seal the pressure relief valve adjusting screw lock nut? I thought I would give this a try but the o-rings available at the local autoparts store seems to be too thick and stand proud of the chamfer that used to be sealed by a lead wire. What have you guys used? Thanks, Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic at netspace.net.au From mpendy at dishmail.net Tue May 4 20:47:13 2010 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 19:47:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 filter head relief valve References: <001e01caebe2$e7ce8c90$b76ba5b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: Copper ' crush ' washers have always worked for me. MPendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 4:38 PM Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 filter head relief valve >I am trying to solve the little seeps I have around the filter head. Has > anyone used an o-ring under a washer to seal the pressure relief valve > adjusting screw lock nut? I thought I would give this a try but the > o-rings > available at the local autoparts store seems to be too thick and stand > proud > of the chamfer that used to be sealed by a lead wire. > > > > What have you guys used? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net From seaCubeCo at aol.com Wed May 5 07:58:45 2010 From: seaCubeCo at aol.com (Seacubeco) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 09:58:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit spindles In-Reply-To: References: <001e01caebe2$e7ce8c90$b76ba5b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <3B989ADE-9A01-418A-ACA4-5FD1F323067D@aol.com> Hey Friends, How important is it to upgrade to the gt6 spindles? I have a friend who twists the snot out of his 1300 spit autocrosding and he has stock spit spindles. I plan on putting my spit on the track and was wondering. I know it is an easy upgrade, but do I need yo do it right away? Thanks Chris Sent from my IPhone On May 4, 2010, at 10:47 PM, "Mark Pendergrass" wrote: > Copper ' crush ' washers have always worked for me. MPendy > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 4:38 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 filter head relief valve > > >> I am trying to solve the little seeps I have around the filter >> head. Has >> anyone used an o-ring under a washer to seal the pressure relief >> valve >> adjusting screw lock nut? I thought I would give this a try but >> the o-rings >> available at the local autoparts store seems to be too thick and >> stand proud >> of the chamfer that used to be sealed by a lead wire. >> >> >> >> What have you guys used? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Greg >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From tpettenati at yahoo.com Wed May 5 12:48:49 2010 From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 11:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spit rear brakes Message-ID: <100717.68316.qm@web180312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello Friends, I'm in the process of rebuilding my rear brakes on my 65 Spit, and have found a slight modification that I'd like to understand better. The backing plates have been rotated 90 degrees, so the the wheel cylinders are now rearward instead of at the top. In other words facing the right rear hub, the wheel cylinder would be at 9:00 o'clock. Similar when facing the left rear, wheel cylinder at 3:00 o'clock. Any good reason that one of the previous owners would have made that change? Otherwise I'd like to put it back to the correct orientation. I'm not too sure about how effective the bleed screws are, now that they face down. Cheers, Tim Pettenati From spitlist at cox.net Wed May 5 14:10:08 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 13:10:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spit spindles In-Reply-To: <3B989ADE-9A01-418A-ACA4-5FD1F323067D@aol.com> References: <001e01caebe2$e7ce8c90$b76ba5b0$@rr.com> <3B989ADE-9A01-418A-ACA4-5FD1F323067D@aol.com> Message-ID: <5AD35E6344E54CF4AD7A2444A662C218@joepentiumnew> The Spindles are typically done with the upgrade to GT6 calipers which is a good idea (Rear drums as well). So if your sanctioning body allows it, I would say go for it. But if you are keeping the same calipers, I don't think you need worry about the stock spindles being too weak. Just MHI, Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Seacubeco Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 6:59 AM To: Mark Pendergrass Cc: Subject: [Fot] Spit spindles Hey Friends, How important is it to upgrade to the gt6 spindles? I have a friend who twists the snot out of his 1300 spit autocrosding and he has stock spit spindles. I plan on putting my spit on the track and was wondering. I know it is an easy upgrade, but do I need yo do it right away? Thanks Chris Sent from my IPhone On May 4, 2010, at 10:47 PM, "Mark Pendergrass" wrote: > Copper ' crush ' washers have always worked for me. MPendy > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 4:38 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 filter head relief valve > > >> I am trying to solve the little seeps I have around the filter >> head. Has >> anyone used an o-ring under a washer to seal the pressure relief >> valve >> adjusting screw lock nut? I thought I would give this a try but >> the o-rings >> available at the local autoparts store seems to be too thick and >> stand proud >> of the chamfer that used to be sealed by a lead wire. >> >> >> >> What have you guys used? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Greg >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Wed May 5 14:32:38 2010 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 13:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 oil galley Acusump plumbing Message-ID: <173731.61633.qm@web46114.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> If I recall there was a thread a few months ago where one of you explained how you adapted the oil galley plugs to manifold your Acusump into the galley. In fact I recall some one sent me photos. I have deleted that email. It would be great if you could resend. Thanks!!!! Mike Mehl From triosan at gmail.com Wed May 5 16:20:15 2010 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 15:20:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 oil galley Acusump plumbing In-Reply-To: <173731.61633.qm@web46114.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <173731.61633.qm@web46114.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike. Think it was me. I have annotated the photos and uploaded them to picasa web. You see them, and many more TR related pictures at: http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/OilGalleryPlumbing# Chuck On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > If I recall there was a thread a few months ago where one of you explained > how > you adapted the oil galley plugs to manifold your Acusump into the galley. > In > fact I recall some one sent me photos. I have deleted that email. It > would > be great if you could resend. > > Thanks!!!! > > Mike Mehl > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed May 5 20:10:46 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 19:10:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 oil galley Acusump plumbing In-Reply-To: <173731.61633.qm@web46114.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <173731.61633.qm@web46114.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7780F6CD-3BE8-47FE-861A-60D560BB45F8@earthlink.net> I had one of my oil gallery bolt holes in my engine block tapped to accept a 3/8 NPT to -10AN fitting. This was done in the machine shop before the block was cleaned. My machinist said it could be done with an assembled motor with thick white grease in the hole to trap metal bits from the tapping but I didn't feel comfortable doing it. I sent a picture to Mike of the fitting in the block. If anyone else wants a picture please email me. ~Steve On May 5, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: If I recall there was a thread a few months ago where one of you explained how you adapted the oil galley plugs to manifold your Acusump into the galley. In fact I recall some one sent me photos. I have deleted that email. It would be great if you could resend. Thanks!!!! Mike Mehl _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From mdhado at comcast.net Wed May 5 20:39:07 2010 From: mdhado at comcast.net (M&M Hado) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 21:39:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping - Final Outcome Message-ID: Last week I started a thread on a problem with a slipping overdrive and I thought some may wonder how it worked out. One of the "long" springs was installed on the inner, or shorter, land and was coil bound. That's only one out of the four and that's all it took. I checked a couple dozen springs that I had and found that it does not matter what the free length is, whether it is LH or RH wound coils, or even what the end color is, the only thing that really matters is the length when fully compressed, or coil bound. All of my springs were either 3" or 2.5 " when fully compressed. The 3" go on the outside and the 2.5" go on the inside land. Go by that and you'll always be fine. Thanks to all who offered suggestions and led me to the simple solution. Mike From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed May 5 21:25:53 2010 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 03:25:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR3 to TR4 ball joint issue solved Message-ID: <1609607610.18835411273116353818.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT, I tried a different set of ball joints today from BPNW. Problem solved. The spring pan now sits nicely as it should on the bumper stop. Nice! Dave H. From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Thu May 6 06:22:37 2010 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 07:22:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Small Crank 1300 ID Help Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A71965D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Morning Members, Need some help IDing a potential 1300 small crank Spitfire engine. Casting # is FC72027HE, owner says it has a 1 1/2" across the flats measurement on the crank bolt too. It's cheap but the freight is going to kill me if it's not a small crank 1300 so any help is appreciated to make sure it's what I want prior to shipping it. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From bkahler1 at gmail.com Thu May 6 06:57:02 2010 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 08:57:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Small Crank 1300 ID Help In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A71965D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A71965D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: Mark, FC engines are 1147 engines. Many parts are interchangable such as crank, rods, timing gears & chains, (I think the main and rod caps) but the block itself is different. The 1147 uses 11 head studs and the 1300 uses 10 head studs. Head studs is the easiest (other than serial number) way to tell the difference between the two engines. Obviously the heads are totally different. Hope this helps. Brad On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info wrote: > Morning Members, > > Need some help IDing a potential 1300 small crank Spitfire engine. > Casting # is FC72027HE, owner says it has a 1 1/2" across the flats > measurement on the crank bolt too. It's cheap but the freight is going > to kill me if it's not a small crank 1300 so any help is appreciated to > make sure it's what I want prior to shipping it. > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Thu May 6 07:05:36 2010 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 06:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Small Crank 1300 ID Help In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A71965D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <378917.27980.qm@web57616.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Mark: If the prefix is FC, then according to my information the engine would be an 1147. Ernie --- On Thu, 5/6/10, Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info wrote: Morning Members, Need some help IDing a potential 1300 small crank Spitfire engine. Casting # is FC72027HE, owner says it has a 1 1/2" across the flats measurement on the crank bolt too. It's cheap but the freight is going to kill me if it's not a small crank 1300 so any help is appreciated to make sure it's what I want prior to shipping it. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Thu May 6 07:24:56 2010 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 08:24:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1500 Rick Cline Engine for sale Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A719660@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Morning members, Well it looks like my 1300 small crank has turned out to be a 1147, oh well!! Anyway I have Rick Cline's last SCCA 1500 engine that he ran. It has been freshened and Dyno run by Bob Wagner in Atlanta and is good to go. I bought it on a lark and am now a 1300 small crank guy so it needs to go to make room for other stuff I probably don't need!! It's complete down to the spark plugs, distributor etc but no carbs. I would like to get 2500.00 for it. It even has the chromed mounts and plates, and Rick's stickers on the valve cover. I have freight lines in and out of my business all the time so shipping it is easier for me than most if you're not close by enough to come and pick it up. If you have a small crank 1300 core maybe there is a trade in play???? Brad told me Scott Barr might be a player on the 1500 too if anyone can contact him. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu May 6 10:07:08 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 09:07:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Small Crank 1300 ID Help In-Reply-To: References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A71965D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: To add to what Brad said, you are looking for an engine serial number starting with FD or FE. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Kahler Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:57 AM To: Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Small Crank 1300 ID Help Mark, FC engines are 1147 engines. Many parts are interchangable such as crank, rods, timing gears & chains, (I think the main and rod caps) but the block itself is different. The 1147 uses 11 head studs and the 1300 uses 10 head studs. Head studs is the easiest (other than serial number) way to tell the difference between the two engines. Obviously the heads are totally different. Hope this helps. Brad On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info wrote: > Morning Members, > > Need some help IDing a potential 1300 small crank Spitfire engine. > Casting # is FC72027HE, owner says it has a 1 1/2" across the flats > measurement on the crank bolt too. It's cheap but the freight is going > to kill me if it's not a small crank 1300 so any help is appreciated to > make sure it's what I want prior to shipping it. > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu May 6 10:11:21 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:11:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping - Final Outcome In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601caed36$c5758270$50608750$@com> Thanks for the update on the outcome. That's really good information. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of M&M Hado Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:39 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping - Final Outcome Last week I started a thread on a problem with a slipping overdrive and I thought some may wonder how it worked out. One of the "long" springs was installed on the inner, or shorter, land and was coil bound. That's only one out of the four and that's all it took. I checked a couple dozen springs that I had and found that it does not matter what the free length is, whether it is LH or RH wound coils, or even what the end color is, the only thing that really matters is the length when fully compressed, or coil bound. All of my springs were either 3" or 2.5 " when fully compressed. The 3" go on the outside and the 2.5" go on the inside land. Go by that and you'll always be fine. Thanks to all who offered suggestions and led me to the simple solution. Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From gaf3 at charter.net Thu May 6 15:13:45 2010 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 17:13:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan Message-ID: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> Group I've been working on a friends 74 TR6 and we discovered lots of crank end play. I checked the end play because he was complaining of hard shifts or grinding while putting the trans in reverse. I removed the pan and found the thrust washers in the oil pan.. I've run into large end play issues with the TR6's but this is the first I've seen in the pan. Understanding that this is a common malady with the TR6, I ordered a few sets of oversize thrust washers. Don't think there is enough material in a .025" oversize bearing to fix the problem. I pulled the bearing cap and didn't see major wear in the thrust face of the crank. I will need to do a closer inspection of the block Anyone out there seen a reasonable/simple fix for this problem? Thanks in advance Glenn Franco TR6's, 250 and Spit racer From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Thu May 6 21:36:28 2010 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 23:36:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan In-Reply-To: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> References: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> Message-ID: This is more common than you think. Iv'e had to repair several. If your lucky the larger size washers will take care of the end play, but the real problem is it usually wears off the tabs on the bottom main bearing cap which holds the washers in place. To fix this you can add weld to the cap and carefully grind it back to the original shape and or pin the washers with brass to the block. Of coarse the crank would need to come out to put the pins in. Good luck, Lorne > Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 17:13:45 -0400 > From: gaf3 at charter.net > To: fot at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan > > Group > I've been working on a friends 74 TR6 and we discovered lots of crank > end play. > I checked the end play because he was complaining of hard shifts or > grinding while putting the trans in reverse. > I removed the pan and found the thrust washers in the oil pan.. > I've run into large end play issues with the TR6's but this is the first > I've seen in the pan. > > Understanding that this is a common malady with the TR6, I ordered a few > sets of oversize thrust washers. > Don't think there is enough material in a .025" oversize bearing to fix > the problem. > > I pulled the bearing cap and didn't see major wear in the thrust face of > the crank. I will need to do a closer inspection of the block > > Anyone out there seen a reasonable/simple fix for this problem? > > Thanks in advance > Glenn Franco > TR6's, 250 and Spit racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lfritz82 at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID2832 6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Fri May 7 02:38:05 2010 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 18:38:05 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan In-Reply-To: References: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> Message-ID: I have always run a full circle thrust washer on clutch side . I mill the bearing cap. I can send specs if required Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorne Fritz" To: ; ; <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan > This is more common than you think. Iv'e had to repair several. > If your lucky the larger size washers will take care of the end play, but > the > real problem is it usually wears off the tabs on the bottom main bearing > cap > which holds the washers in place. To fix this you can add weld to the cap > and > carefully grind it back to the original shape and or pin the washers with > brass to the block. Of coarse the crank would need to come out to put the > pins > in. Good luck, Lorne >> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 17:13:45 -0400 >> From: gaf3 at charter.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan >> >> Group >> I've been working on a friends 74 TR6 and we discovered lots of crank >> end play. >> I checked the end play because he was complaining of hard shifts or >> grinding while putting the trans in reverse. >> I removed the pan and found the thrust washers in the oil pan.. >> I've run into large end play issues with the TR6's but this is the first >> I've seen in the pan. >> >> Understanding that this is a common malady with the TR6, I ordered a few >> sets of oversize thrust washers. >> Don't think there is enough material in a .025" oversize bearing to fix >> the problem. >> >> I pulled the bearing cap and didn't see major wear in the thrust face of >> the crank. I will need to do a closer inspection of the block >> >> Anyone out there seen a reasonable/simple fix for this problem? >> >> Thanks in advance >> Glenn Franco >> TR6's, 250 and Spit racer >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lfritz82 at hotmail.com >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with > Hotmail. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID2832 > 6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From gaf3 at charter.net Fri May 7 06:23:18 2010 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 08:23:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan In-Reply-To: <975D167ED75E428991DC03A4B66C8497@BobPC> References: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> <975D167ED75E428991DC03A4B66C8497@BobPC> Message-ID: <4BE40636.6000402@charter.net> Thanks Bob I was not aware of Scot Helms work on these thrust washers. Just visited his site. Looks like a good alternative to the stock arrangement. What surprised me is that this engine only has about 40k miles on it. I also like the idea of a full circle thrust washer that Geoff Bryne has recommended. I need to inspect the area on the block and cap more closely. Glenn Bob Danielson wrote: > Did you order from Scott Helms (http://www.customthrustwashers.com/) > Most of the 6-Pack Forum guys have moved to Scott's solid alloy thrust > washers. Even if you don't buy from him, his site is an excellent > resource on all things "thrust washer" > > Bob > > Bob Danielson > 1975 TR6 CF38503U > Running w/ Throttle Body Injection, > Toyota 5 speed & Nissan LSD > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Glenn Franco" > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:13 PM > To: "Friends of Triumph" ; <6pack at autox.team.net> > Subject: [6pack] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan > >> Group >> I've been working on a friends 74 TR6 and we discovered lots of crank >> end play. >> I checked the end play because he was complaining of hard shifts or >> grinding while putting the trans in reverse. >> I removed the pan and found the thrust washers in the oil pan.. >> I've run into large end play issues with the TR6's but this is the >> first I've seen in the pan. >> >> Understanding that this is a common malady with the TR6, I ordered a >> few sets of oversize thrust washers. >> Don't think there is enough material in a .025" oversize bearing to >> fix the problem. >> >> I pulled the bearing cap and didn't see major wear in the thrust face >> of the crank. I will need to do a closer inspection of the block >> >> Anyone out there seen a reasonable/simple fix for this problem? >> >> Thanks in advance >> Glenn Franco >> TR6's, 250 and Spit racer >> _______________________________________________ >> >> 6pack at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri May 7 08:24:09 2010 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:24:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan References: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> Message-ID: Hey, a better fix is to have the cap machined to accept another thrust washer on the flywheel side. Then have the thrust washer pinned to the cap. This doubles the surface area and is very effective. I've done this to my race motor and have virtually no wear to the thrust washers. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorne Fritz" To: ; ; <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan > This is more common than you think. Iv'e had to repair several. > If your lucky the larger size washers will take care of the end play, but > the > real problem is it usually wears off the tabs on the bottom main bearing > cap > which holds the washers in place. To fix this you can add weld to the cap > and > carefully grind it back to the original shape and or pin the washers with > brass to the block. Of coarse the crank would need to come out to put the > pins > in. Good luck, Lorne >> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 17:13:45 -0400 >> From: gaf3 at charter.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan >> >> Group >> I've been working on a friends 74 TR6 and we discovered lots of crank >> end play. >> I checked the end play because he was complaining of hard shifts or >> grinding while putting the trans in reverse. >> I removed the pan and found the thrust washers in the oil pan.. >> I've run into large end play issues with the TR6's but this is the first >> I've seen in the pan. >> >> Understanding that this is a common malady with the TR6, I ordered a few >> sets of oversize thrust washers. >> Don't think there is enough material in a .025" oversize bearing to fix >> the problem. >> >> I pulled the bearing cap and didn't see major wear in the thrust face of >> the crank. I will need to do a closer inspection of the block >> >> Anyone out there seen a reasonable/simple fix for this problem? >> >> Thanks in advance >> Glenn Franco >> TR6's, 250 and Spit racer >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lfritz82 at hotmail.com >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with > Hotmail. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID2832 > 6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From dlhogye at comcast.net Fri May 7 08:58:43 2010 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 14:58:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR rear brake backing plates needed Message-ID: <270258912.19384851273244323290.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT, Does anyone have an extra set of brake backing plates. I have a TR3 Girling axle housing ready to ship to Southwick, but I don't have the backing plates. I guess that 10 inchers are the way to go. Thanks, Dave H From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Fri May 7 09:20:09 2010 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:20:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan In-Reply-To: <4BE40636.6000402@charter.net> Message-ID: <20100507152009.SZJAR.349680.root@cdptpa-web07-z02> Now that you mention his name it jarred my memory. I installed one of his thrust washers very successfully in a GT6 race motor. Bob ---- Glenn Franco wrote: > Thanks Bob > I was not aware of Scot Helms work on these thrust washers. Just visited > his site. > Looks like a good alternative to the stock arrangement. > > What surprised me is that this engine only has about 40k miles on it. > > I also like the idea of a full circle thrust washer that Geoff Bryne has > recommended. > > I need to inspect the area on the block and cap more closely. > > Glenn > > Bob Danielson wrote: > > Did you order from Scott Helms (http://www.customthrustwashers.com/) > > Most of the 6-Pack Forum guys have moved to Scott's solid alloy thrust > > washers. Even if you don't buy from him, his site is an excellent > > resource on all things "thrust washer" > > > > Bob > > > > Bob Danielson > > 1975 TR6 CF38503U > > Running w/ Throttle Body Injection, > > Toyota 5 speed & Nissan LSD > > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Glenn Franco" > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:13 PM > > To: "Friends of Triumph" ; <6pack at autox.team.net> > > Subject: [6pack] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan > > > >> Group > >> I've been working on a friends 74 TR6 and we discovered lots of crank > >> end play. > >> I checked the end play because he was complaining of hard shifts or > >> grinding while putting the trans in reverse. > >> I removed the pan and found the thrust washers in the oil pan.. > >> I've run into large end play issues with the TR6's but this is the > >> first I've seen in the pan. > >> > >> Understanding that this is a common malady with the TR6, I ordered a > >> few sets of oversize thrust washers. > >> Don't think there is enough material in a .025" oversize bearing to > >> fix the problem. > >> > >> I pulled the bearing cap and didn't see major wear in the thrust face > >> of the crank. I will need to do a closer inspection of the block > >> > >> Anyone out there seen a reasonable/simple fix for this problem? > >> > >> Thanks in advance > >> Glenn Franco > >> TR6's, 250 and Spit racer > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> 6pack at autox.team.net > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri May 7 09:24:11 2010 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX Message-ID: Hi, I wound up having a pretty good day at a New England Region SCCA autocross last weekend. Check out the pix here: http://furball.smugmug.com/Autocross/05-02-2010-NHMS/12091228_RSNH2#859076566 _tD84i particularly pictures 128 and 133. How do you spell TORQUE?? FWIW, I also PAXED #1 or 89 drivers. I have never PAXed an NER/SCCA event, so I was actually stunned when they announced that I'd accomplished that. Far out. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Fri May 7 10:26:54 2010 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:26:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1300 Small Crank inquiry Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A7196A0@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> OK members, one more time does this verify a small crank 1300 engine?? Sellers said this: "FE33292E The bolt on the end of the crank shaft is one and a half inches" Hate to be a PITA but it's 4 hours from home and I have to buy the whole car to get the engine!!!! Thanks for all the help! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 7 10:34:35 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:34:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You got a little wheel lift there. And I thought I was the only one that did that! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX Hi, I wound up having a pretty good day at a New England Region SCCA autocross last weekend. Check out the pix here: http://furball.smugmug.com/Autocross/05-02-2010-NHMS/12091228_RSNH2#85907656 6 _tD84i particularly pictures 128 and 133. How do you spell TORQUE?? FWIW, I also PAXED #1 or 89 drivers. I have never PAXed an NER/SCCA event, so I was actually stunned when they announced that I'd accomplished that. Far out. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri May 7 10:38:02 2010 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 12:38:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very cool, bet that'll get blown up for the wall on the garage. Sure looks like your car has good bite. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: May 7, 2010 11:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX Hi, I wound up having a pretty good day at a New England Region SCCA autocross last weekend. Check out the pix here: http://furball.smugmug.com/Autocross/05-02-2010-NHMS/12091228_RSNH2#85907656 6 _tD84i particularly pictures 128 and 133. How do you spell TORQUE?? FWIW, I also PAXED #1 or 89 drivers. I have never PAXed an NER/SCCA event, so I was actually stunned when they announced that I'd accomplished that. Far out. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri May 7 10:38:30 2010 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:38:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74017028B6@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Very cool pix! I assume someone else will ask, but I'll play the dummy. What the heck does it mean to PAX?? Poobah of the Auto-X?? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 10:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX Hi, I wound up having a pretty good day at a New England Region SCCA autocross last weekend. Check out the pix here: http://furball.smugmug.com/Autocross/05-02-2010-NHMS/12091228_RSNH2#8590 76566 _tD84i particularly pictures 128 and 133. How do you spell TORQUE?? FWIW, I also PAXED #1 or 89 drivers. I have never PAXed an NER/SCCA event, so I was actually stunned when they announced that I'd accomplished that. Far out. rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 7 11:14:40 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 10:14:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 1300 Small Crank inquiry In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A7196A0@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A7196A0@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: Yes, it is a late Mk3 engine. Lower compression than the FD series but with preparation will deliver everything that the FD is capable of. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 9:27 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] 1300 Small Crank inquiry OK members, one more time does this verify a small crank 1300 engine?? Sellers said this: "FE33292E The bolt on the end of the crank shaft is one and a half inches" Hate to be a PITA but it's 4 hours from home and I have to buy the whole car to get the engine!!!! Thanks for all the help! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From mark at bradakis.com Fri May 7 11:24:53 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 11:24:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan In-Reply-To: <4BE40636.6000402@charter.net> References: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> <975D167ED75E428991DC03A4B66C8497@BobPC> <4BE40636.6000402@charter.net> Message-ID: <4BE44CE5.7060605@bradakis.com> > What surprised me is that this engine only has about 40k miles on it. Wonder if someone was riding the clutch a bit, using it for a dead pedal? > > I also like the idea of a full circle thrust washer that Geoff Bryne > has recommended. > I put full circle washers in Killer, put in 7 race seasons on the same washers. mjb. From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 7 11:30:31 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 10:30:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74017028B6@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74017028B6@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <9F9BFC80206142F1BC4F52100410356E@joepentiumnew> PAX is the SCCA's answer to handicapping cars in order to try to put everything on an even keel. It is based on the times put in at national events and therefore is much better for the stock classes than the prepared and modified classes where there are much greater differences in the performance in local competitions and National contests. So after the PAX multiplier is applied, you are at the top of the sheet, you have done well. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 9:39 AM To: Robert M. Lang; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Kool PIX Very cool pix! I assume someone else will ask, but I'll play the dummy. What the heck does it mean to PAX?? Poobah of the Auto-X?? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 10:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX Hi, I wound up having a pretty good day at a New England Region SCCA autocross last weekend. Check out the pix here: http://furball.smugmug.com/Autocross/05-02-2010-NHMS/12091228_RSNH2#8590 76566 _tD84i particularly pictures 128 and 133. How do you spell TORQUE?? FWIW, I also PAXED #1 or 89 drivers. I have never PAXed an NER/SCCA event, so I was actually stunned when they announced that I'd accomplished that. Far out. rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From gaf3 at charter.net Fri May 7 12:14:24 2010 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 14:14:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1300 Small Crank inquiry In-Reply-To: References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A7196A0@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <4BE45880.30504@charter.net> Just curious, what's the going rate for a good used small crank FE engine? I have two sitting in my barn that I have not rebuilt yet. Glenn > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 9:27 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] 1300 Small Crank inquiry > > OK members, one more time does this verify a small crank 1300 engine?? > > Sellers said this: > "FE33292E The bolt on the end of the crank shaft is one and a half > inches" > > Hate to be a PITA but it's 4 hours from home and I have to buy the whole > car to get the engine!!!! > > Thanks for all the help! > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From tpettenati at yahoo.com Fri May 7 12:32:43 2010 From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Brutes & Beauts Vintage Car Autocross and Car Gathering - Santa Clara CA USA Message-ID: <683404.80244.qm@web180301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Fot, Of interest to those in the SF bay area. Sponsored by the Triumph Travelers. All makes and models 25 years old and older. May 8th. http://www.triumphtravelers.org/Events/autocross/autocrossinfo.php I plan to take the Spit out for it's maiden voyage & shake down run. Stop by and say Hi if you are in the area. Cheers, Tim Pettenati 65 Spit #44 White From walt at hot-tr6.com Fri May 7 13:21:09 2010 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 13:21:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ZR1 sale Message-ID: <20100507192001.63D7718788C@autox.team.net> I'm not here argue the plusses or minuses of any particular oil. Some of us use of Valvoline VR1 (I do in my TR6 racecar) because it is supposed to have some zinc in it that helps cam lobes and lifters last longer. Anyway, if you have an Autozone parts store in your area they are having a 50% off sale on ZR1 at this time. Keep the hammer down. Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 102927 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From BillDentin at aol.com Fri May 7 13:39:27 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:39:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX Message-ID: <29c23.18c6c910.3915c66f@aol.com> In a message dated 05/07/2010 1:24:53 PM Central Daylight Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: > PAX is the SCCA's answer to handicapping cars in order to try to put > everything on an even keel. It is based on the times put in at national > events and therefore is much better for the stock classes than the > prepared > and modified classes where there are much greater differences in the > performance in local competitions and National contests. > It's been a while since I was an altar boy, but back then "Pax" was Latin or Greek for "Peace". Maybe I'd better call the SCCA alert them. I don't think they can handle peace. It may be a concept they're unfamiliar with. Pax vobiscum! Bill (Damdinger) SCCA #120201 PS I know that's a long SCCA membership number for an old guy like me, but I didn't join the SCCA until the mid-1980s. I'll bet Kas will tell me his SCCA member number only has two digits. Could be. From ofbracing at nefcom.net Fri May 7 15:04:05 2010 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (ofbracing) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 17:04:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ZR1 sale In-Reply-To: <20100507192001.63D7718788C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the tip. I use VR1 and just got back from my local Autozone with 18 quarts of 20w50 for $2.06 each. Apparently 12 is the limit so they just rang up the other 6 separately. Supposedly they'll get more tomorrow so I'll go back again. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Walter Hollowell Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 3:21 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] ZR1 sale I'm not here argue the plusses or minuses of any particular oil. Some of us use of Valvoline VR1 (I do in my TR6 racecar) because it is supposed to have some zinc in it that helps cam lobes and lifters last longer. Anyway, if you have an Autozone parts store in your area they are having a 50% off sale on ZR1 at this time. Keep the hammer down. Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 102927 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofbracing at nefcom.net From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri May 7 15:56:13 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 14:56:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ZR1 sale In-Reply-To: <20100507192001.63D7718788C@autox.team.net> References: <20100507192001.63D7718788C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Are you kidding me? I just bought 2 cases yesterday for 5.30 a qt! I got ripped off. ~Steve On May 7, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Walter Hollowell wrote: I'm not here argue the plusses or minuses of any particular oil. Some of us use of Valvoline VR1 (I do in my TR6 racecar) because it is supposed to have some zinc in it that helps cam lobes and lifters last longer. Anyway, if you have an Autozone parts store in your area they are having a 50% off sale on ZR1 at this time. Keep the hammer down. Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 102927 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From fogbro1 at comcast.net Fri May 7 16:31:23 2010 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 18:31:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jumping out of 2nd gear Message-ID: <23BE2635563947DF816DEDE07CBC2E84@Edscomputer> Lists, TR, all synchro gearbox was jumping out of 2nd gear on deceleration. Usual suspects like broken 2nd speed bush, incorrect bushing clearances, selector shaft springs did not cure the problem. What did cure the problem was the replacement of the 1/2 sliding hub and 2nd gear with a different used set. Replacing those two parts was the only change I made and the gearbox works perfectly, no longer jumping out of gear on deceleration. Under a magnifying glass, I can see no appreciable difference between the offending parts and other sets I have on hand. So, my question to the lists is: how can you tell whether a particular hub/gear set will cause such a problem BEFORE they're installed? What differentiates a set with normal wear that is useable from a set that is not? What's the test? Ed Woods From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri May 7 20:08:53 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 21:08:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ZR1 sale References: <20100507192001.63D7718788C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2A162D63FCDC4ADE98CA40466423AEB0@latitudefb1e41> Thanks Walt. I just stocked up. The local price is $4.29 a quart so I hit 2 Autozones. One guy said that he thought they were discontinuing it and that nobody buys it. The other guy said it was just a regular monthly flyer special to get people in the door. I got in and out and saved $56.00. With 3 TR's on the road and track I'll use it up. Again, thanks for sharing this info. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Hollowell" To: Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 2:21 PM Subject: [Fot] ZR1 sale > I'm not here argue the plusses or minuses of any particular oil. Some of > us > use of Valvoline VR1 (I do in my TR6 racecar) because it is supposed to > have > some zinc in it that helps cam lobes and lifters last longer. Anyway, if > you > have an Autozone parts store in your area they are having a 50% off sale > on > ZR1 at this time. > Keep the hammer down. > Walt Hollowell > Albuquerque, NM > > _____ > > I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter > > . > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 102927 of my spam emails to date. > The Professional version does not have this message. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat May 8 11:49:00 2010 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 13:49:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] PAX In-Reply-To: <9F9BFC80206142F1BC4F52100410356E@joepentiumnew> References: , <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74017028B6@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>, <9F9BFC80206142F1BC4F52100410356E@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: I have always sucked in PAX. Being that my car was at the lower end of preparation in PREPARED class I am always at the bottom of the list. Of course it doesnt hurt being a good driver like Bob is either:) Marty > From: spitlist at cox.net > To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com; lang at isis.mit.edu; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 10:30:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kool PIX > > PAX is the SCCA's answer to handicapping cars in order to try to put > everything on an even keel. It is based on the times put in at national > events and therefore is much better for the stock classes than the prepared > and modified classes where there are much greater differences in the > performance in local competitions and National contests. > > So after the PAX multiplier is applied, you are at the top of the sheet, you > have done well. > > Joe C. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From cartravel at pobox.com Sat May 8 15:22:28 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 16:22:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jumping out of 2nd gear In-Reply-To: <23BE2635563947DF816DEDE07CBC2E84@Edscomputer> References: <23BE2635563947DF816DEDE07CBC2E84@Edscomputer> Message-ID: <4BE5D614.1020504@pobox.com> Ed, What are you calling a 1/2 sliding hub? Is that the synchro hub between 2nd and 1st? My article at vtr.org - www.vtr.org/maintain/TransRebuild/TRTrans02.pdf. describes a problem that might be similar. In one transmission, we replaced the springs and balls in the synchro hubs and that fixed the problem. The manuals explain how to check the synchro hubs and that is what I do now. Larry Ed Woods wrote: > Lists, > > 1/2 sliding hub and 2nd gear From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Sat May 8 15:42:39 2010 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 16:42:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Valvoline VR1 NSL racing oil Message-ID: <13D3A7A9637748CE8F733E6ADA45B6F4@bkolnzPC> I know all you guys know this,, but as a reminder, Valvoline offers a VR1 "Not street legal" racing oil. (conventional, and full syn.) It has no detergent package, but tons of Z and Phos. to lub our Spitfire engines properly. It's only good for 500 miles, which is perfect for a week-end event, and I send a sample off to Blackstone for a read. $4.00 a qt. at Napa.. They will order if not in stock. Bill '72 spit Blue #8 From mdhado at comcast.net Sat May 8 16:23:17 2010 From: mdhado at comcast.net (M&M Hado) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 17:23:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Temperature Sensor In-Reply-To: <2A162D63FCDC4ADE98CA40466423AEB0@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: Does anyone have a resistance vs. temperature curve for the stock TR4 temp sensor? Even some specific values at common temps such as 80, 180, 212, etc. would help. Thanks, Mike From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun May 9 20:15:08 2010 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 21:15:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rear Springs Message-ID: FoT, I have a pair of rear springs for a TR6 that someone may be interested in before I put them on ebay. They are competition springs with the following specs: 9-7/8" free length 4" diameter 575# spring rate - last measured in 2003 last used in 2007 In excellent condition Please contact me off line if interested. Thanks, Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From budscars at comcast.net Mon May 10 14:32:33 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:32:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: short bus YOU ARE NOT CROSSEYED Message-ID: YOU ARE NOT CROSSEYED.........This is a FOR REAL VW BUS that was at the Lemons Race at Thunderhill last weekend...and...The Speakers were BLASTING what sounded like a mixture of Reggae and Latino Beat as it drove around the pits...At the wheel in this photo is DAN 'THE BOSS' RADOWICZ Racer Bud D.R.Rad & Rad B. at LeMons Thunderhill. Everyone needs one of these to drive. Makes a Smart car look pedestrian. It not only does "wheelies", it does "stoppies"! drr --- On Mon, 5/10/10, Nick Pon wrote: From: Nick Pon Subject: short bus To: "Daniel Radowicz" Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 1:03 PM [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_5815.jpg] From Group44TR7 at aol.com Tue May 11 09:26:05 2010 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:26:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] Huffaker paneled TR7 street car Message-ID: <8cf22.3020cc8c.391ad10d@aol.com> Hi All A number of years ago I found and purchased a TR7 with fiberglass rear and front fenders along with a fiber glass from panel. After some research, I found that the panels on the car were from purchased those used on the Huffaker TR8s. Apparently at one point, there was a small company that has subsequently gone out of business that sold kits for the TR7s and TR8s street cars. I have confirmed with Huffaker that the fender panels on the car were from the TR8 race car molds. Exactly how many of these kits were ever sold, I do not know, but apparently there were not very many according to Huffaker. Having conceded to that this is a project which I can not realistically complete, I looking to sell it to someone who has an interest in doing so. If your interested, please send me a return email. From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue May 11 10:02:57 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:02:57 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR4 in The Vintage Triumph Message-ID: <20100511.120257.28480.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> In the February 2010 TVT there is an article from Cindy Adams - The Story of Four Triumphs. Turns out the white # 47 TR4 (pictured in the article) that John Adams and Harvey Thompson raced is sitting in my garage waiting for me to get it back on the track. It is still white, but is sporting some flared steel fenders and will eventually have fiberglass ones as an EP SCCA car. Anyway, does anyone know how to contact Cindy or John to see if they have any more history for the car? Apparently it was converted to a race car soon after leaving the dealership. I bought it from the 2nd owner since them and have that later history. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4be97ffe88c438585st02duc From harmug at us.ibm.com Tue May 11 10:46:26 2010 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:46:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] List Nominee Message-ID: Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our brains. Do I hear a second? thanks mike h G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue May 11 11:03:36 2010 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 in The Vintage Triumph In-Reply-To: <20100511.120257.28480.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> References: <20100511.120257.28480.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <274406.27986.qm@web80801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If Mike Cook isn't on this list, you might try contacting him at the address in the TVT. mcook at vtr.org ----- Original Message ---- From: Joe Boruch To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 12:02:57 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 in The Vintage Triumph In the February 2010 TVT there is an article from Cindy Adams - The Story of Four Triumphs. Turns out the white # 47 TR4 (pictured in the article) that John Adams and Harvey Thompson raced is sitting in my garage waiting for me to get it back on the track. It is still white, but is sporting some flared steel fenders and will eventually have fiberglass ones as an EP SCCA car. Anyway, does anyone know how to contact Cindy or John to see if they have any more history for the car? Apparently it was converted to a race car soon after leaving the dealership. I bought it from the 2nd owner since them and have that later history. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4be97ffe88c438585st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From fasttrs at yahoo.com Tue May 11 11:43:23 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] List Nominee Message-ID: <960106.35412.qm@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Second! Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2010, at 11:46 AM, George Harmuth wrote: Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our brains. Do I hear a second? thanks mike h G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 11 11:49:20 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:49:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] List Nominee In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't think we have a Joe D. yet. So in our quest to have every letter in the alphabet represented by Joes, I second! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Harmuth Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:46 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: jhd11 at hotmail.com Subject: [Fot] List Nominee Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our brains. Do I hear a second? thanks mike h G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue May 11 12:02:53 2010 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:02:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] List Nominee References: Message-ID: I'd 2nd a fellow TRsixer. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: [Fot] List Nominee > Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. > Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our brains. > Do I hear a second? > > thanks > mike h > > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From seaCubeCo at aol.com Tue May 11 12:15:23 2010 From: seaCubeCo at aol.com (Seacubeco) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:15:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] List Nominee In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D6D41A6-C5CA-41EC-A07C-93CEB02DAA88@aol.com> I have no problems with the addition. What is Chumpcar racing? Chris Sent from my IPhone On May 11, 2010, at 12:46 PM, George Harmuth wrote: > Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. > Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our > brains. > Do I hear a second? > > thanks > mike h > > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From triosan at gmail.com Tue May 11 12:21:25 2010 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:21:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Can some measure a front shock for me? Message-ID: I need to know the outside diameter of a Koni Classic front shock for a TR [6 in my case]. Need the non-moving part of the shock diameter -- am building spring spacers for my 2.5" interior diameter springs. -- Chuck Arnold From harmug at us.ibm.com Tue May 11 12:28:01 2010 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:28:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] List Nominee In-Reply-To: <9D6D41A6-C5CA-41EC-A07C-93CEB02DAA88@aol.com> Message-ID: Chumpcar is a form of Auto abuse, in both senses. http://www.chumpcar.com/ mike G. Michael Harmuth Seacubeco To George Harmuth/Fishkill/IBM at IBMUS 05/11/2010 02:15 cc PM "fot at autox.team.net" , "jhd11 at hotmail.com" Subject Re: [Fot] List Nominee I have no problems with the addition. What is Chumpcar racing? Chris Sent from my IPhone On May 11, 2010, at 12:46 PM, George Harmuth wrote: > Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. > Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our > brains. > Do I hear a second? > > thanks > mike h > > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From LimeyV8 at aol.com Tue May 11 12:57:30 2010 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:57:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] List Nominee Message-ID: <13d18.40e5db13.391b029a@aol.com> In a message dated 5/11/2010 1:31:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, harmug at us.ibm.com writes: Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our brains. Do I hear a second? another 2nd and a hearty welcome to my Riff RAF Racing team mate Joe Downer! visit our team blog and follow our progress (or lack thereof) here: _http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/_ (http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/) Cheers, Jack McGahey From LimeyV8 at aol.com Tue May 11 13:04:57 2010 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:04:57 EDT Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee Message-ID: <14759.2965a0d6.391b0459@aol.com> I'd like to nominate Jamie Palmer, founder, team captain, and spiritual leader of Riff RAF Racing, for FOT list membership. Jamie's email address is _tr6driver at yahoo.com_ (mailto:tr6driver at yahoo.com) _http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/_ (http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/) can I get a 2nd? Thanks, Jack McGahey From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue May 11 13:14:08 2010 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:14:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] List Nominee Message-ID: <380-22010521119148316@M2W137.mail2web.com> It's like LeMons, but a little more race oriented (but still with the $500 limit on the car). I believe they do the full 24 hours while I'm not sure LeMons does. Here's their website: http://www.chumpcar.com/ Keep Triumphing, Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: Seacubeco seaCubeCo at aol.com Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:15:23 -0400 To: harmug at us.ibm.com, jhd11 at hotmail.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] List Nominee I have no problems with the addition. What is Chumpcar racing? Chris Sent from my IPhone On May 11, 2010, at 12:46 PM, George Harmuth wrote: > Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. > Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our > brains. > Do I hear a second? > > thanks > mike h > > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From fasttrs at yahoo.com Tue May 11 13:55:07 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee Message-ID: <702135.61679.qm@web46112.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> 2nd! Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2010, at 2:04 PM, LimeyV8 at aol.com wrote: I'd like to nominate Jamie Palmer, founder, team captain, and spiritual leader of Riff RAF Racing, for FOT list membership. Jamie's email address is _tr6driver at yahoo.com_ (mailto:tr6driver at yahoo.com) _http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/_ (http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/) can I get a 2nd? Thanks, Jack McGahey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From adams910 at gmail.com Tue May 11 14:11:47 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:11:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 and trailer stolen - Kansas City, Kansas area Message-ID: Saw this on the prod forum... http://prodracing.com/prodcar/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11553 Bob Adams From herald948 at aol.com Tue May 11 14:15:31 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:15:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee In-Reply-To: <14759.2965a0d6.391b0459@aol.com> References: <14759.2965a0d6.391b0459@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CCBF5DD6DF71AA-13A4-2647@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> With pleasure, Jack! I mean, I've seen actual video of Jamie autocrossing a Standard Vanguard Sportsman with no small degree of spirit! How cool is THAT? ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: LimeyV8 at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: tr6driver at yahoo.com Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 3:04 pm Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee I'd like to nominate Jamie Palmer, founder, team captain, and spiritual leader of Riff RAF Racing, for FOT list membership. Jamie's email address is _tr6driver at yahoo.com_ (mailto:tr6driver at yahoo.com) From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue May 11 14:35:50 2010 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:35:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] )Re: another RiffRAF FOT list nominee References: <14759.2965a0d6.391b0459@aol.com> Message-ID: <006101caf149$8bb37120$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> I'll second! With a team name like that, they can't lose. Bill Tobin Erie, PA (It snowed Sunday AM!) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:04 PM Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee > I'd like to nominate Jamie Palmer, founder, team captain, and spiritual > leader of Riff RAF Racing, for FOT list membership. > Jamie's email address is _tr6driver at yahoo.com_ > (mailto:tr6driver at yahoo.com) > > _http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/_ (http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/) > > can I get a 2nd? > > Thanks, > Jack McGahey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin3 at verizon.net From LimeyV8 at aol.com Tue May 11 14:40:49 2010 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:40:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee Message-ID: In a message dated 5/11/2010 4:15:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: With pleasure, Jack! I mean, I've seen actual video of Jamie autocrossing a Standard Vanguard Sportsman with no small degree of spirit! How cool is THAT? ;-) --Andy Mace you should have been there - I was - and, in my TR8, I was only 5 seconds faster than Jamie in a Standard Vangaurd. Cheers, Jack Mc From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue May 11 14:47:03 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:47:03 GMT Subject: [Fot] List Nominee Message-ID: <20100511.164703.15050.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Looks like the rules say that the car must be "valued" at under $500, not including safety gear. This is not what you paid for the car, so how do you value a car like a TR6. It would have to be a pretty sad TR6 to be valued at under $500. Not sure there would be enough of a frame to attach a cage onto??? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "spitfiresuz at 141.com" To: seacubeco at aol.com, harmug at us.ibm.com, jhd11 at hotmail.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] List Nominee Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:14:08 -0400 It's like LeMons, but a little more race oriented (but still with the $500 limit on the car). I believe they do the full 24 hours while I'm not sure LeMons does. Here's their website: http://www.chumpcar.com/ Keep Triumphing, Susan :) ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4be9c264f1bec41a5a4st05duc From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue May 11 18:40:35 2010 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:40:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Can some measure a front shock for me? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BE9F903.4040701@blacksburg.net> On 5/11/2010 2:21 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > I need to know the outside diameter of a Koni Classic front shock for a TR > [6 in my case]. Need the non-moving part of the shock diameter -- am > building spring spacers for my 2.5" interior diameter springs. > > Chuck, the range of three measurements was 1.632 - 1.640 (kinda fiddly getting the calipers 'tween the springs). jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From LimeyV8 at aol.com Tue May 11 18:48:17 2010 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:48:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Chump car - was List Nominee Message-ID: In a message dated 5/11/2010 5:45:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jaboruch at netzero.net writes: Looks like the rules say that the car must be "valued" at under $500, not including safety gear. This is not what you paid for the car, so how do you value a car like a TR6. It would have to be a pretty sad TR6 to be valued at under $500. Not sure there would be enough of a frame to attach a cage onto??? Joe(B) We paid $600 for our TR6 and sold enough parts off to get the "value" down around zero. And yes it is a pretty sad TR6 - but perfect for this purpose, because it runs good and is cosmetically terrible - i believe the boot lid is the only part of the car that has never suffered collision damage - and it is rusty. There was significant frame and sill rust, but the suspension attachment points were strong - Our cage attaches as far back as the diff mount cross rail and frame rails on each side of the spare tire well and attaches as far forward as the spring/strut towers - so most of the frame and sills are now structurally irrelevant. see pictures at _http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/_ (http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/) Chump and Lemons definition of safety equipment is pretty liberal and some other items like tires and brakes are not subject to the spending limit - generally the $500 is just the tip of the iceberg - racing is expensive - even when its cheap! Cheers, Jack Mc From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue May 11 20:50:50 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 21:50:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] List Nominee References: <20100511.164703.15050.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <90E27796B3AA44AD91C69D8513D6D9BB@latitudefb1e41> This qualifies, the HCTC Lemon's TR6. Paid $200 for it. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] List Nominee > Looks like the rules say that the car must be "valued" at under $500, not > including safety gear. This is not what you paid for the car, so how do > you > value a car like a TR6. It would have to be a pretty sad TR6 to be valued > at > under $500. Not sure there would be enough of a frame to attach a cage > onto??? > Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "spitfiresuz at 141.com" > To: seacubeco at aol.com, harmug at us.ibm.com, jhd11 at hotmail.com, > fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] List Nominee > Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:14:08 -0400 > > It's like LeMons, but a little more race oriented (but still with the $500 > limit on the car). I believe they do the full 24 hours while I'm not sure > LeMons does. Here's their website: http://www.chumpcar.com/ > > Keep Triumphing, > Susan :) > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Penny Stock Jumping 2000% > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4be9c264f1bec41a5a4st05duc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of TR6 Lemon racercar 005.jpg] From herald948 at aol.com Tue May 11 20:52:44 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 22:52:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCBF9554F619F0-A30-7122@webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: LimeyV8 at aol.com you should have been there - I was - and, in my TR8, I was only 5 seconds faster than Jamie in a Standard Vangaurd. ==AM== I've seen Jamie autocross in the past; he's pretty darned good at it. Besides, it was a Vanguard *Sportsman* -- practically a five- (or maybe even six-) seater TR3! :-) --Andy Mace From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed May 12 06:16:52 2010 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 08:16:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] commercial message Message-ID: <4BEA9C34.4040006@bright.net> Carlisle commercial -- last call. We will be at Import Carlisle Thursday through Saturday. Spaces E63 and E64. If you need something that we normally do not take to this event, engines, gearboxes or other heavy items, please lt us know. Save shipping. Also for sale is the canopy listed below. Ideal for the "famous"Carlisle weather. Thanks for your time. Ted $For Sale -- new 10' x 20' free standing canopy. This is a post and frame unit, not a folding "Easy Up" style canopy. We needed a spare for the Sebring 12 hour race. Used one time. We did not even use the top but rather a pullover large vinyl tarp. Posts come apart for transport. There are no side walls. These are available from several sources.. 100 -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 12 06:36:52 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 14:36:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Exploded muffler In-Reply-To: <4BEA9C34.4040006@bright.net> References: <4BEA9C34.4040006@bright.net> Message-ID: <001601caf1cf$cde93ee0$69bbbca0$@com> Hi guys, I would like to know if you have any experience with exploded mufflers from running the engine at full throttle. Is that a common problem with race cars, or just bad luck if this happens? Cheers Chris From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Wed May 12 07:10:43 2010 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 23:10:43 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Exploded muffler In-Reply-To: <001601caf1cf$cde93ee0$69bbbca0$@com> References: <4BEA9C34.4040006@bright.net> <001601caf1cf$cde93ee0$69bbbca0$@com> Message-ID: Bad Muffler ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:36 PM Subject: [Fot] Exploded muffler > Hi guys, > > I would like to know if you have any experience with exploded mufflers > from > running the engine at full throttle. > Is that a common problem with race cars, or just bad luck if this happens? > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 12 07:20:47 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 15:20:47 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Exploded muffler In-Reply-To: References: <4BEA9C34.4040006@bright.net> <001601caf1cf$cde93ee0$69bbbca0$@com> Message-ID: <001a01caf1d5$f09ed6b0$d1dc8410$@com> It was a Phoenix muffler. I suppose them to be of good quality. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Geoff Byrne [mailto:gkbyrne at optushome.com.au] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Mai 2010 15:11 An: MadMarx; 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Exploded muffler Bad Muffler ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:36 PM Subject: [Fot] Exploded muffler > Hi guys, > > I would like to know if you have any experience with exploded mufflers > from > running the engine at full throttle. > Is that a common problem with race cars, or just bad luck if this happens? > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed May 12 07:24:45 2010 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 9:24:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Front bumper to frame bracket Message-ID: <20100512132445.QXP4S.53052.root@cdptpa-web14-z01> All, Any one have a set to sell, TR3 front bumper to frame brackets....straight as possible? thxx, Bob From cwnfot at gmail.com Wed May 12 07:45:13 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:45:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit rear brakes In-Reply-To: <100717.68316.qm@web180312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <100717.68316.qm@web180312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005a01caf1d9$5998e4f0$0ccaaed0$@com> Some folks have the notion that air in the brake lines will come out the bottom of the cylilnder. A friend restored a Camaro and put the left caliper on the right side and the right on the left because he thought the bleeder should be on the bottom. Duh. That doesn't work. Best put the backing plates where they belong. Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 12 07:51:54 2010 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee In-Reply-To: <14759.2965a0d6.391b0459@aol.com> References: <14759.2965a0d6.391b0459@aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 May 2010 LimeyV8 at aol.com wrote: > I'd like to nominate Jamie Palmer, founder, team captain, and spiritual > leader of Riff RAF Racing, for FOT list membership. > Jamie's email address is _tr6driver at yahoo.com_ > (mailto:tr6driver at yahoo.com) Wow - Jamie Palmer isn't an FOT?? Although late, consider this second. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed May 12 08:11:22 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 07:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 and trailer stolen - Kansas City, Kansas area In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <466528.11077.qm@web46113.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thats too bad, I hope they find it. I raced with Harvey a few years back in Memphis, he is a nice guy. I have a Doberman, a tongue lock and a logging chain running through the wheels on my trailer. I can only hope that will deter anyone from taking mine. Mike Saw this on the prod forum... http://prodracing.com/prodcar/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11553 Bob Adams http://www.fot-racing.com From tpettenati at yahoo.com Wed May 12 10:06:14 2010 From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spit rear brakes In-Reply-To: <005a01caf1d9$5998e4f0$0ccaaed0$@com> References: <100717.68316.qm@web180312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <005a01caf1d9$5998e4f0$0ccaaed0$@com> Message-ID: <868675.42036.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Last night I returned the backing plates to the correct orientation, with the wheel cylinders at the top. Easier job than I thought. Bleed the brakes again and all is well. Thanks for the advise. Tim Pettenati ________________________________ From: Clark W. Nicholls To: Tim Pettenati ; FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 6:45:13 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] Spit rear brakes Some folks have the notion that air in the brake lines will come out the bottom of the cylilnder. A friend restored a Camaro and put the left caliper on the right side and the right on the left because he thought the bleeder should be on the bottom. Duh. That doesn't work. Best put the backing plates where they belong. Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed May 12 10:41:16 2010 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:41:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel Message-ID: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: I have what I think is a stock steering wheel in my street TR6. It is a six bolt pattern and measures 14" in diameter. Problem - there is not enough room in the foot box so I have to angle my knees to the sides when I'm seated but my knees still contact the steering wheel. I've been looking for smaller steering wheel (approx. 13" diameter) in the usual Brit parts catalogs but have not found one. I don't need an expensive, wood grain Nardi or Momo model but would prefer a moderately priced version, even one from a non-automotive supplier I could adapt to this application. Any suggestions? Gary 1969 TR6 From spitlist at cox.net Wed May 12 11:20:20 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:20:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel In-Reply-To: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48020C0AA9CA4E9BAC7770CF8132AA69@joepentiumnew> I have a 13" Grant Wheel in my Black Spit. But because I am not all that enthusiastic about the horn circuit that is used in that wheel, I adapted a 3-spoke Grant wheel to the hub from a MkIV/early 1500 wheel (which is like your TR6 wheel). I had to do some cutting but it is secure and the rubber horn surround piece covers up all the ragged metal. It has a very large grip which I hand stitched leather onto for an attractive appearance. I did the same thing for my son's Mk2 Spit using a different brand of 3-spoke 13" wheel. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:41 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel Hello: I have what I think is a stock steering wheel in my street TR6. It is a six bolt pattern and measures 14" in diameter. Problem - there is not enough room in the foot box so I have to angle my knees to the sides when I'm seated but my knees still contact the steering wheel. I've been looking for smaller steering wheel (approx. 13" diameter) in the usual Brit parts catalogs but have not found one. I don't need an expensive, wood grain Nardi or Momo model but would prefer a moderately priced version, even one from a non-automotive supplier I could adapt to this application. Any suggestions? Gary 1969 TR6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From seaCubeCo at aol.com Wed May 12 11:48:10 2010 From: seaCubeCo at aol.com (Seacubeco) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:48:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit rear brakes In-Reply-To: <868675.42036.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <100717.68316.qm@web180312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <005a01caf1d9$5998e4f0$0ccaaed0$@com> <868675.42036.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FED1B19-D015-4C88-B832-5E629A6360D8@aol.com> But if you vaccum bleed them you want the bleed screws on the bottom. Attach a piece of hose to the bleed screw that is cracked open. Put the other end in a can of fluid. Hook a vaccum to the master cylinder and there you go. Works best on a completly dry empty system. I personally will NEVER do this. But I am sure someone will or has tried Chris Sent from my IPhone On May 12, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Tim Pettenati wrote: > Last night I returned the backing plates to the correct orientation, > with the > wheel cylinders at the top. Easier job than I thought. Bleed the > brakes again > and all is well. > > Thanks for the advise. > > Tim Pettenati > > > ________________________________ > From: Clark W. Nicholls > To: Tim Pettenati ; FoT Triumph > > Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 6:45:13 AM > Subject: RE: [Fot] Spit rear brakes > > Some > folks have the notion that air in the brake lines will come out the > bottom of > the cylilnder. > A friend restored a Camaro and put the left caliper on the > right side and > the right on the left because he thought the bleeder should be > on the > bottom. > Duh. > That doesn't work. > Best put the backing plates where they > belong. > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 > needing restoration) > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 12 11:54:40 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:54:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel In-Reply-To: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CCC01354401A9F-748-14E7@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com> Gary The JOHN DEERE LAWN & GARDEN TRACTORS have one that is about 13". They are very nice and Mr. Kramer says that our employee cost is about $16.00. It has a splined hub but will it fit? It WOULD be fun to find out. I owe you a call, dont I? Joe -----Original Message----- From: Gary Horstkorta To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:41 am Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel Hello: I have what I think is a stock steering wheel in my street TR6. It is a six olt pattern and measures 14" in diameter. Problem - there is not enough oom in the foot box so I have to angle my knees to the sides when I'm eated but my knees still contact the steering wheel. I've been looking for maller steering wheel (approx. 13" diameter) in the usual Brit parts atalogs but have not found one. I don't need an expensive, wood grain ardi or Momo model but would prefer a moderately priced version, even one rom a non-automotive supplier I could adapt to this application. Any uggestions? Gary 1969 TR6 ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 12 12:22:36 2010 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:22:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel In-Reply-To: <8CCC01354401A9F-748-14E7@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com> References: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> <8CCC01354401A9F-748-14E7@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: As a construction dealership I think we can get the parts, but a PN would help. Even though we can get some other Deere part, our parts system is limited to the big iron. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell It's not what you've got, it's what you use that makes a difference. Zig Ziglar -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:55 PM To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering wheel Gary The JOHN DEERE LAWN & GARDEN TRACTORS have one that is about 13". They are very nice and Mr. Kramer says that our employee cost is about $16.00. It has a splined hub but will it fit? It WOULD be fun to find out. I owe you a call, dont I? Joe -----Original Message----- From: Gary Horstkorta To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:41 am Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel Hello: I have what I think is a stock steering wheel in my street TR6. It is a six olt pattern and measures 14" in diameter. Problem - there is not enough oom in the foot box so I have to angle my knees to the sides when I'm eated but my knees still contact the steering wheel. I've been looking for maller steering wheel (approx. 13" diameter) in the usual Brit parts atalogs but have not found one. I don't need an expensive, wood grain ardi or Momo model but would prefer a moderately priced version, even one rom a non-automotive supplier I could adapt to this application. Any uggestions? Gary 1969 TR6 ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From tr6driver at yahoo.com Wed May 12 13:36:06 2010 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 12:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel In-Reply-To: References: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> <8CCC01354401A9F-748-14E7@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <569428.93258.qm@web52507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> M142218 is current x300 steering wheel, M142219 is the cover. And thank you for nominating me and accepting me into FOT today! Jamie Palmer ________________________________ From: "Kramer, Robert" To: "n197tr4 at cs.com" ; "vintage.racer at comcast.net" ; "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 2:22:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering wheel As a construction dealership I think we can get the parts, but a PN would help. Even though we can get some other Deere part, our parts system is limited to the big iron. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell It's not what you've got, it's what you use that makes a difference. Zig Ziglar -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:55 PM To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering wheel Gary The JOHN DEERE LAWN & GARDEN TRACTORS have one that is about 13". They are very nice and Mr. Kramer says that our employee cost is about $16.00. It has a splined hub but will it fit? It WOULD be fun to find out. I owe you a call, dont I? Joe -----Original Message----- From: Gary Horstkorta To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:41 am Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel Hello: I have what I think is a stock steering wheel in my street TR6. It is a six olt pattern and measures 14" in diameter. Problem - there is not enough oom in the foot box so I have to angle my knees to the sides when I'm eated but my knees still contact the steering wheel. I've been looking for maller steering wheel (approx. 13" diameter) in the usual Brit parts atalogs but have not found one. I don't need an expensive, wood grain ardi or Momo model but would prefer a moderately priced version, even one rom a non-automotive supplier I could adapt to this application. Any uggestions? Gary 1969 TR6 ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 12 13:43:51 2010 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 14:43:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel In-Reply-To: <569428.93258.qm@web52507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> <8CCC01354401A9F-748-14E7@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com> <569428.93258.qm@web52507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: FWIW: M142218 retails for $50.84 and M142219 for $10.16. My employee purchase cost is right at $40.00. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell It's not what you've got, it's what you use that makes a difference. Zig Ziglar ________________________________ From: Jamie Palmer [mailto:tr6driver at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:36 PM To: Kramer, Robert Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering wheel M142218 is current x300 steering wheel, M142219 is the cover. And thank you for nominating me and accepting me into FOT today! Jamie Palmer ________________________________ From: "Kramer, Robert" To: "n197tr4 at cs.com" ; "vintage.racer at comcast.net" ; "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 2:22:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering wheel As a construction dealership I think we can get the parts, but a PN would help. Even though we can get some other Deere part, our parts system is limited to the big iron. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell It's not what you've got, it's what you use that makes a difference. Zig Ziglar -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:55 PM To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering wheel Gary The JOHN DEERE LAWN & GARDEN TRACTORS have one that is about 13". They are very nice and Mr. Kramer says that our employee cost is about $16.00. It has a splined hub but will it fit? It WOULD be fun to find out. I owe you a call, dont I? Joe -----Original Message----- From: Gary Horstkorta > To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:41 am Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel Hello: I have what I think is a stock steering wheel in my street TR6. It is a six olt pattern and measures 14" in diameter. Problem - there is not enough oom in the foot box so I have to angle my knees to the sides when I'm eated but my knees still contact the steering wheel. I've been looking for maller steering wheel (approx. 13" diameter) in the usual Brit parts atalogs but have not found one. I don't need an expensive, wood grain ardi or Momo model but would prefer a moderately priced version, even one rom a non-automotive supplier I could adapt to this application. Any uggestions? Gary 1969 TR6 ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From gaf3 at charter.net Fri May 14 07:33:31 2010 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 09:33:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan In-Reply-To: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> References: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> Message-ID: <4BED512B.7010405@charter.net> Group Thanks for all the advice on managing the thrust washer issue on this TR6 engine. Following Geoff Byrne's advice, I fired up my trusty Atlas lathe and went to work. I machined a counterbore in the scored cap to accept a new bronze full circle thrust washer also machined on the lathe. The attachment to the cap will me made with brass countersunk machine screws. Plan is to see if the rear thrust washers conform to the scored, but somewhat smooth, crank thrust surface. The owner wants to drive it this summer. Also monitor end play and pull the engine in the fall if it becomes excessive and grind the crank. It's not all complete but making good progress. Thanks again Glenn Glenn Franco wrote: > Group > I've been working on a friends 74 TR6 and we discovered lots of crank > end play. > I checked the end play because he was complaining of hard shifts or > grinding while putting the trans in reverse. > I removed the pan and found the thrust washers in the oil pan.. > I've run into large end play issues with the TR6's but this is the > first I've seen in the pan. > > Understanding that this is a common malady with the TR6, I ordered a > few sets of oversize thrust washers. > Don't think there is enough material in a .025" oversize bearing to > fix the problem. > > I pulled the bearing cap and didn't see major wear in the thrust face > of the crank. I will need to do a closer inspection of the block > > Anyone out there seen a reasonable/simple fix for this problem? > > Thanks in advance > Glenn Franco > TR6's, 250 and Spit racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From jmwagner at greenheart.com Thu May 13 14:32:42 2010 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:32:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Justin: 2010 Mille Miglia Images Message-ID: <4BEC61EA.3010309@greenheart.com> Some great cars.... you can click on photos to see larger or even scroll through the larger images. --Justin 2010 Mille Miglia - IMAGES http://www.supercars.net/gallery/119513/2416/5.html The Mille Miglia Website http://www.1000miglia.eu/inglese/home.html From mark at bradakis.com Sat May 15 17:57:14 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 17:57:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] List notes and such Message-ID: <4BEF34DA.1060009@bradakis.com> Taking a break, I need to recharge the battery for my worklight so I can try to see where the coolant drip in this TR6 originates. What fun. I think I have gotten around to adding all the recent nominees to the list. Some are already familiar with Team.Net, as I believe that Jamie Palmer is also on a few other lists, like triumphs, 6pack, 2000-register and italia. Some are busy, some lists are not. This one isn't too bad. For those of you not aware, these email lists do not just appear by magic, there is a man behind the curtain making sure it stays on the air, so to speak. I don't think I posted my spring fund drive message Fools and Funding on this list which gives a bit of insight into things. If interested, you can read it from the archives at http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/shop-talk/2010-04/msg00000.html While we often quip that the FOT has no formal orginisation and no rules, there are some guidelines regarding email messages. Most of them relate to spam prevention, virus protection and efforts to not overflow peoples' mailboxes with unneeded cruft. So there are size limits on messages, and attachments are not passed on. No pictures in the email, though one can do so in the Team.Net forums - but no FOT forum. I may provide an example making use of both later this evening. Right now I need to go get the charcoal started, I've got a small pork roast I'll be doing in the Weber kettle. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 17 15:37:35 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 23:37:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort In-Reply-To: <4BEF34DA.1060009@bradakis.com> References: <4BEF34DA.1060009@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <000c01caf609$2cccfa90$8666efb0$@com> The first seasons race took place at Zandvoort. Have fun: http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5472354499971503794 Chris From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 17 19:06:03 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 21:06:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] RAMADA INN is Host Hotel for Kastner Cup-August Message-ID: <8CCC43D6C204188-1A24-70C4@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com> Topeka's Ramada Inn is sponsoring a dinner at the hotel on Thursday night. This will be for all entrants, crew, and support people who are registered at the hotel. This is in addition to the negotiated rate....take advantage of it....tell them who you are. It wouldnt hurt to get your reservations and entries out of the way. I dont think refunds will be an issue and you might save a late fee. There are a lot of people in the area that are going the extra mile for us..... Thanks! Joe A From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 17 22:44:16 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 22:44:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] RAMADA INN is Host Hotel for Kastner Cup-August In-Reply-To: <8CCC43D6C204188-1A24-70C4@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCC43D6C204188-1A24-70C4@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4BF21B20.6000407@bradakis.com> Luckily the event is many many months away, no need to start figuring out my travel plans so soon! mjb. From brad.kahler at 141.com Tue May 18 08:48:50 2010 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:48:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] need TR3/4 head stud measurements (ASAP)! Message-ID: Amici, I'm in need of measurements on the length of the 4 different head studs on a TRactor engine. There is a short and long version for under the rocker train and a short and long version for outside the valve cover. I don't have access to the engine right now to measure them so any help would be greatly appreciated! Need the info ASAP!!! Thanks, Brad From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue May 18 09:47:17 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:47:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] need TR3/4 head stud measurements (ASAP)! References: Message-ID: <7F1878FACCFD4F09AD15BD1139DFA573@latitudefb1e41> BPNW lists them on the ordering page under cylinder heads. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:48 AM Subject: [Fot] need TR3/4 head stud measurements (ASAP)! > Amici, > > I'm in need of measurements on the length of the 4 different head > studs on a TRactor engine. > > There is a short and long version for under the rocker train and a > short and long version for outside the valve cover. I don't have > access to the engine right now to measure them so any help would be > greatly appreciated! > > Need the info ASAP!!! > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From brad.kahler at 141.com Tue May 18 09:50:53 2010 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 11:50:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] need TR3/4 head stud measurements (ASAP)! In-Reply-To: <7F1878FACCFD4F09AD15BD1139DFA573@latitudefb1e41> References: <7F1878FACCFD4F09AD15BD1139DFA573@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: Thanks Bob! That gave me the info I needed and the ones I need are on their way. Brad On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > BPNW lists them on the ordering page under cylinder heads. > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" > To: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:48 AM > Subject: [Fot] need TR3/4 head stud measurements (ASAP)! > > >> Amici, >> >> I'm in need of measurements on the length of the 4 different head >> studs on a TRactor engine. >> >> There is a short and long version for under the rocker train and a >> short and long version for outside the valve cover. I don't have >> access to the engine right now to measure them so any help would be >> greatly appreciated! >> >> Need the info ASAP!!! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From jhd11 at hotmail.com Tue May 18 09:50:31 2010 From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:50:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder Message-ID: Looking at buying a rechargeable transponder. Thinking of rechargeable to use in multiple cars. Any opinions, pro or con, before I make the purchase? Thanks in advance. Joe Downer Charlotte N.C. RiffRAF Racing _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue May 18 10:41:17 2010 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 09:41:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nominee Message-ID: <001c01caf6a8$f08fb950$d1af2bf0$@racer@comcast.net> Hello All: I'd like to nominate a friend of mine and true gearhead, Alan Prentiss. Alan is a current TR6 owner but considering the list of all the British cars he's owned, he should have been a car dealer. In the past he has owned the following Triumphs: a 1968 TR4A, a 1963 TR4, and a 1967 TR4A. He has also owned 2 Morris Minors, 1 Mini Cooper S (1967), 2 MGB's, 2 Bugeye Sprites, 1 Jaguar and 1 Triumph Bonneville Motorcycle. He currently races a Crossle Formula Ford with the SCCA and before that, a Genie Mk 10 and a Mustang in vintage events, both of which he restored. To top it off, Alan is the parts manager for a large auto/truck dealership in western Nevada. Do I have a second? Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 18 11:07:53 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:07:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder References: Message-ID: <16B7610355794DB5AFB8EDC9E7CFB331@Bud> I suggest a hard wired transponder..just wire some connectors into each car.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Henry" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 8:50 AM Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder > Looking at buying a rechargeable transponder. Thinking of > rechargeable > to use in multiple cars. Any opinions, pro or con, before I make the > purchase? Thanks in advance. > > Joe Downer > Charlotte N.C. > RiffRAF Racing > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL > :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue May 18 11:38:08 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:38:08 GMT Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder Message-ID: <20100518.133808.29764.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> The big disadvantage of the rechargeable ones are that you need to remember to charge them. I obtained one from a spec Miata racer that went to a hard wired one after either forgetting to charge it once too many times or forgetting it at home too often. I used it go-karting and we often forgot to charge it until we were on the way to the track. Made do with an hours charge with the car charger. With the hard wired ones there is nothing to forget. If properly placed and wired they work great. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Joe Henry To: Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:50:31 +0000 Looking at buying a rechargeable transponder. Thinking of rechargeable to use in multiple cars. Any opinions, pro or con, before I make the purchase? Thanks in advance. Joe Downer Charlotte N.C. RiffRAF Racing _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf2d0e46d76f50bf42st06duc From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue May 18 11:44:58 2010 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:44:58 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nominee In-Reply-To: <001c01caf6a8$f08fb950$d1af2bf0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <051820101744.7229.4BF2D21A0003F70A00001C3D22230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Gary, You only nominate the best so if you recommend him he is got to be ok. I second. Ron Jacobs -------------- Original message from "Gary Horstkorta" : -------------- > Hello All: > > > > I'd like to nominate a friend of mine and true gearhead, Alan Prentiss. > Alan is a current TR6 owner but considering the list of all the British cars > he's owned, he should have been a car dealer. In the past he has owned the > following Triumphs: a 1968 TR4A, a 1963 TR4, and a 1967 TR4A. He has also > owned 2 Morris Minors, 1 Mini Cooper S (1967), 2 MGB's, 2 Bugeye Sprites, 1 > Jaguar and 1 Triumph Bonneville Motorcycle. He currently races a Crossle > Formula Ford with the SCCA and before that, a Genie Mk 10 and a Mustang in > vintage events, both of which he restored. To top it off, Alan is the parts > manager for a large auto/truck dealership in western Nevada. Do I have a > second? > > > > Gary > > > > 1962 TR4 > > 1969 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/westerneagleracing at att.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue May 18 12:08:36 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 18:08:36 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Message-ID: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Friends, not trying to brag (too much), but wanted to share that TR3s can still win at SCCA National races. I raced at Lime Rock this past weekend and came away with a 1st in EP. My previous best finish at a National was a 3rd. I qualified 8th overall and 2nd in EP with a 1:00.918, compared to the pole sitter at 0:58.911 and the lead EP car (an RX7) at 0:59.311. I caught my 1st break when the EP BMW 325i starting right behind me did not show to the grid. He had brake problems that they could not fix in time. My strategy was to drive the race at my pace and could easily take 2nd place, but also hope for the RX7 to somehow come up short. which it later did. With the RX7 1.5 seconds faster than me, I would not be able to keep up with him for too long. I had a great start, but within a couple of laps lost a few spots to some STU cars that pushed their way in front of me. A few laps later I got back by them all and then just had to deal with lapped traffic (lapped some 5 or 6 times) and chasing the leaders. With a few laps to go, my son radioed me that the RX7 was slowing and to keep charging. Last lap I passed the RX7 at the up-hill, taking the EP win. A 54 year old Triumph outlasted a Mazda and a BMW. A Miata was 3rd in EP, 2 laps down. I also got to my fastest race time at LRP with a 1:00.762. This shows that sometimes old British iron (with lots of fiberglass around it) can win against those with much more power and technology. I thought about focusing on more SCCA Nationals, based on this win, but I don't think that is in the cards for this year. Will keep developing the car and perhaps someday get to the Runoffs. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf2d7dde2b2c521289st05duc From wensley_tr at comcast.net Tue May 18 12:36:18 2010 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 14:36:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nominee In-Reply-To: <001c01caf6a8$f08fb950$d1af2bf0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <001c01caf6a8$f08fb950$d1af2bf0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000301caf6b9$01aeb550$050c1ff0$@net> I'll second that Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:41 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Nominee Hello All: I'd like to nominate a friend of mine and true gearhead, Alan Prentiss. Alan is a current TR6 owner but considering the list of all the British cars he's owned, he should have been a car dealer. In the past he has owned the following Triumphs: a 1968 TR4A, a 1963 TR4, and a 1967 TR4A. He has also owned 2 Morris Minors, 1 Mini Cooper S (1967), 2 MGB's, 2 Bugeye Sprites, 1 Jaguar and 1 Triumph Bonneville Motorcycle. He currently races a Crossle Formula Ford with the SCCA and before that, a Genie Mk 10 and a Mustang in vintage events, both of which he restored. To top it off, Alan is the parts manager for a large auto/truck dealership in western Nevada. Do I have a second? Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue May 18 13:01:10 2010 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 14:01:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder References: Message-ID: I agree with Bud and Joe. I put a hardwired transponder in my car, and wired it directly to my kill switch. The concept is, if the car is on, the transponder is on. Never have to fuss with charging it or remembering to put it in. If I plan not to use it for a long time (last year I didn't race, just autocrossed), I take out the line fuse. If you're planning to swap it around multiple cars, then just set it up with easy disconnects. Actually, the line fuse itself is an easy disconnect for the hot wire. Your easy disconnect for the ground may just be a sheet metal screw and a Phillips-head screwdriver. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Henry" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:50 AM Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder > Looking at buying a rechargeable transponder. Thinking of > rechargeable > to use in multiple cars. Any opinions, pro or con, before I make the > purchase? Thanks in advance. > > Joe Downer > Charlotte N.C. > RiffRAF Racing > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL > :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From garygret at sbcglobal.net Tue May 18 13:26:10 2010 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <137810.67459.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Joe, I considered a rechargeable transponder too for multiple cars but was talked out of it. I'd suggest going for a wired unit and an inline connector if you need to switch cars. (My wife and I shared one for a year, then bought a second transponder.) 1. They take a few days to charge. You must remember to plug it into the AC adapter by Wednesday if you're headed out to a race Friday. Experience shows an overnight charge at the track will not get you through the day. And Murphy says you'll forget. 2. They never turn off so you have to recharge them each use. Therefore in and out of the car constantly. 3. They are a sealed unit. You have to rip the case apart yourself or send it in to get the battery replaced. Midwestern Council bought 24 rental units in 2003 and the batteries were mostly gone a few years ago. Regards, Gary Schneider ________________________________ From: Joe Henry To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 10:50:31 AM Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder Looking at buying a rechargeable transponder. Thinking of rechargeable to use in multiple cars. Any opinions, pro or con, before I make the purchase? Thanks in advance. Joe Downer Charlotte N.C. RiffRAF Racing _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue May 18 13:27:37 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:27:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National In-Reply-To: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> References: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <091301caf6c0$2d24ca60$876e5f20$@rr.com> > A 54 year old Triumph outlasted a Mazda > and a BMW. All right Joe ! You da MAN !! -- Randall From fasttrs at yahoo.com Tue May 18 13:33:23 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Message-ID: <667788.19499.qm@web46114.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> That is awesome Joe! I know first hand how hard it is to win against all the newer faster cars in SCCA. Great story, thanks for sharing and Congratulations!!! Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2010, at 6:08 PM, "Joe Boruch" wrote: Friends, not trying to brag (too much), but wanted to share that TR3s can still win at SCCA National races. I raced at Lime Rock this past weekend and came away with a 1st in EP. My previous best finish at a National was a 3rd. I qualified 8th overall and 2nd in EP with a 1:00.918, compared to the pole sitter at 0:58.911 and the lead EP car (an RX7) at 0:59.311. I caught my 1st break when the EP BMW 325i starting right behind me did not show to the grid. He had brake problems that they could not fix in time. My strategy was to drive the race at my pace and could easily take 2nd place, but also hope for the RX7 to somehow come up short. which it later did. With the RX7 1.5 seconds faster than me, I would not be able to keep up with him for too long. I had a great start, but within a couple of laps lost a few spots to some STU cars that pushed their way in front of me. A few laps later I got back by them all and then just had to deal with lapped traffic (lapped some 5 or 6 times) and chasing the leaders. With a few laps to go, my son radioed me that the RX7 was slowing and to keep charging. Last lap I passed the RX7 at the up-hill, taking the EP win. A 54 year old Triumph outlasted a Mazda and a BMW. A Miata was 3rd in EP, 2 laps down. I also got to my fastest race time at LRP with a 1:00.762. This shows that sometimes old British iron (with lots of fiberglass around it) can win against those with much more power and technology. I thought about focusing on more SCCA Nationals, based on this win, but I don't think that is in the cards for this year. Will keep developing the car and perhaps someday get to the Runoffs. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf2d7dde2b2c521289st05duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From atr6racer at hotmail.com Tue May 18 15:03:03 2010 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:03:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National In-Reply-To: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> References: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Congratulations Joe! I know how hard you work on your car and you cetainly belong in the winner's circle. EP is certainly a tough class and registering a win with an old Triumph deserves some back slapping! Way to go Joe! Sam Halkias > From: jaboruch at netzero.net > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 18:08:36 +0000 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National > > Friends, not trying to brag (too much), but wanted to share that TR3s can > still win at SCCA National races. I raced at Lime Rock this past weekend and > came away with a 1st in EP. My previous best finish at a National was a 3rd. > > I qualified 8th overall and 2nd in EP with a 1:00.918, compared to the pole > sitter at 0:58.911 and the lead EP car (an RX7) at 0:59.311. I caught my 1st > break when the EP BMW 325i starting right behind me did not show to the grid. > He had brake problems that they could not fix in time. My strategy was to > drive the race at my pace and could easily take 2nd place, but also hope for > the RX7 to somehow come up short. which it later did. With the RX7 1.5 > seconds faster than me, I would not be able to keep up with him for too long. > I had a great start, but within a couple of laps lost a few spots to some STU > cars that pushed their way in front of me. A few laps later I got back by > them all and then just had to deal with lapped traffic (lapped some 5 or 6 > times) and chasing the leaders. With a few laps to go, my son radioed me that > the RX7 was slowing and to keep charging. Last lap I passed the RX7 at the > up-hill, taking the EP win. A 54 year old Triumph outlasted a Mazda and a > BMW. A Miata was 3rd in EP, 2 laps down. I also got to my fastest race time > at LRP with a 1:00.762. This shows that sometimes old British iron (with lots > of fiberglass around it) can win against those with much more power and > technology. > > I thought about focusing on more SCCA Nationals, based on this win, but I > don't think that is in the cards for this year. Will keep developing the car > and perhaps someday get to the Runoffs. Joe(B) > > ____________________________________________________________ > Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! > $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf2d7dde2b2c521289st05duc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/atr6racer at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 From BillDentin at aol.com Tue May 18 16:20:45 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 18:20:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Message-ID: <87cea.67bb29cc.39246cbd@aol.com> HOORAY for our side!!! Way ta go Joe! Bill Dentinger From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue May 18 18:43:09 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 19:43:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National In-Reply-To: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> References: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <004301caf6ec$4137a140$c3a6e3c0$@rr.com> Heck Joe some of us have a hard time keeping one running for a vintage weekend. Great job. I know you must spend countless hours preparing that car. Keep up the excellent work. I'd love some pictures of your car. Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Boruch Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 1:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Friends, not trying to brag (too much), but wanted to share that TR3s can still win at SCCA National races. I raced at Lime Rock this past weekend and came away with a 1st in EP. My previous best finish at a National was a 3rd. I qualified 8th overall and 2nd in EP with a 1:00.918, compared to the pole sitter at 0:58.911 and the lead EP car (an RX7) at 0:59.311. I caught my 1st break when the EP BMW 325i starting right behind me did not show to the grid. He had brake problems that they could not fix in time. My strategy was to drive the race at my pace and could easily take 2nd place, but also hope for the RX7 to somehow come up short. which it later did. With the RX7 1.5 seconds faster than me, I would not be able to keep up with him for too long. I had a great start, but within a couple of laps lost a few spots to some STU cars that pushed their way in front of me. A few laps later I got back by them all and then just had to deal with lapped traffic (lapped some 5 or 6 times) and chasing the leaders. With a few laps to go, my son radioed me that the RX7 was slowing and to keep charging. Last lap I passed the RX7 at the up-hill, taking the EP win. A 54 year old Triumph outlasted a Mazda and a BMW. A Miata was 3rd in EP, 2 laps down. I also got to my fastest race time at LRP with a 1:00.762. This shows that sometimes old British iron (with lots of fiberglass around it) can win against those with much more power and technology. I thought about focusing on more SCCA Nationals, based on this win, but I don't think that is in the cards for this year. Will keep developing the car and perhaps someday get to the Runoffs. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf2d7dde2b2c521289st05duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue May 18 18:59:47 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:59:47 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Message-ID: <33096265.1274230788033.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Sweet! -----Original Message----- >From: BillDentin at aol.com >Sent: May 18, 2010 3:20 PM >To: jaboruch at netzero.net, fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National > >HOORAY for our side!!! > >Way ta go Joe! > >Bill Dentinger >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue May 18 19:45:16 2010 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 21:45:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT6 front hubs Message-ID: I replaced the front wheel bearings last winter, after the inside left one cooked last year. At the time I thought it was brake heat. I had the car out for about two hours of track time last week, and noticed the same wheel was loosening up, adjusted the bearing, torqued the spindle, got through the day, but thought I better pull it apart before I took it out again this weekend. What I found astounded me - the inside bearing race - the one that press fits into the hub - was rattling around, with easily 1/32 clearance. The bearing race is the correct dimension, the race from the other hub fits the same (loose) way in this hub and snug in the right hub, so the only thing I can figure is the race spun and wore down the hub or pounded it out of shape. The grease is black but no real sign of metal filings. Clearly I need a replacement hub (this weekend's race is not looking good at the moment - always the spare you don't have on hand), but I'm just wondering what caused this that I should have looked for. I recall the race being a snug fit when I put it in, but maybe not. Anyone experience this? While I'm at it, this could be an excuse to upgrade to aluminum hubs. Anyone have any experience with any particular supplier, pro or con? Any benefits or drawbacks? From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue May 18 19:59:58 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 18:59:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National In-Reply-To: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <25C05980143942578D14FB47048297D1@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Congrat's Joe - National wins are something special. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Boruch Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 11:09 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Friends, not trying to brag (too much), but wanted to share that TR3s can still win at SCCA National races. I raced at Lime Rock this past weekend and came away with a 1st in EP. My previous best finish at a National was a 3rd. I qualified 8th overall and 2nd in EP with a 1:00.918, compared to the pole sitter at 0:58.911 and the lead EP car (an RX7) at 0:59.311. I caught my 1st break when the EP BMW 325i starting right behind me did not show to the grid. He had brake problems that they could not fix in time. My strategy was to drive the race at my pace and could easily take 2nd place, but also hope for the RX7 to somehow come up short. which it later did. With the RX7 1.5 seconds faster than me, I would not be able to keep up with him for too long. I had a great start, but within a couple of laps lost a few spots to some STU cars that pushed their way in front of me. A few laps later I got back by them all and then just had to deal with lapped traffic (lapped some 5 or 6 times) and chasing the leaders. With a few laps to go, my son radioed me that the RX7 was slowing and to keep charging. Last lap I passed the RX7 at the up-hill, taking the EP win. A 54 year old Triumph outlasted a Mazda and a BMW. A Miata was 3rd in EP, 2 laps down. I also got to my fastest race time at LRP with a 1:00.762. This shows that sometimes old British iron (with lots of fiberglass around it) can win against those with much more power and technology. I thought about focusing on more SCCA Nationals, based on this win, but I don't think that is in the cards for this year. Will keep developing the car and perhaps someday get to the Runoffs. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf2d7dde2b2c521289st05duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue May 18 20:32:49 2010 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 22:32:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National In-Reply-To: <004301caf6ec$4137a140$c3a6e3c0$@rr.com> References: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> <004301caf6ec$4137a140$c3a6e3c0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4BF34DD1.9020402@blacksburg.net> On 5/18/2010 8:43 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > Heck Joe some of us have a hard time keeping one running for a vintage > weekend. Great job. I know you must spend countless hours preparing that > car. Keep up the excellent work. > > I'd love some pictures of your car. > > Greg > > Great job Joe! We'd all love to see pix of the car, why not post some to the team.net Forum pages? Maybe Mordy can post some on the FoT site. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue May 18 21:05:40 2010 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 21:05:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National In-Reply-To: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> References: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Add in my Congratulations.......................Cheers Henry Morrison, New Mexico > From: jaboruch at netzero.net > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 18:08:36 +0000 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National > > Friends, not trying to brag (too much), but wanted to share that TR3s can > still win at SCCA National races. I raced at Lime Rock this past weekend and > came away with a 1st in EP. My previous best finish at a National was a 3rd. > > I qualified 8th overall and 2nd in EP with a 1:00.918, compared to the pole > sitter at 0:58.911 and the lead EP car (an RX7) at 0:59.311. I caught my 1st > break when the EP BMW 325i starting right behind me did not show to the grid. > He had brake problems that they could not fix in time. My strategy was to > drive the race at my pace and could easily take 2nd place, but also hope for > the RX7 to somehow come up short. which it later did. With the RX7 1.5 > seconds faster than me, I would not be able to keep up with him for too long. > I had a great start, but within a couple of laps lost a few spots to some STU > cars that pushed their way in front of me. A few laps later I got back by > them all and then just had to deal with lapped traffic (lapped some 5 or 6 > times) and chasing the leaders. With a few laps to go, my son radioed me that > the RX7 was slowing and to keep charging. Last lap I passed the RX7 at the > up-hill, taking the EP win. A 54 year old Triumph outlasted a Mazda and a > BMW. A Miata was 3rd in EP, 2 laps down. I also got to my fastest race time > at LRP with a 1:00.762. This shows that sometimes old British iron (with lots > of fiberglass around it) can win against those with much more power and > technology. > > I thought about focusing on more SCCA Nationals, based on this win, but I > don't think that is in the cards for this year. Will keep developing the car > and perhaps someday get to the Runoffs. Joe(B) > > ____________________________________________________________ > Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! > $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf2d7dde2b2c521289st05duc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com From chasgee at aol.com Wed May 19 01:15:28 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 03:15:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT6 front hubs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCC53A31E8ED0F-FB4-6D31@webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com> Hi Scott, Go here for aluminum hubs: http://www.chequeredflagracing.net/ Joe's hubs are very well made and considerably lighter than the stock steel versions. I'd upgrade the spindles as well because they are considerably stiffer than stock. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 6:45 pm Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT6 front hubs I replaced the front wheel bearings last winter, after the inside left ne cooked last year. At the time I thought it was brake heat. I had he car out for about two hours of track time last week, and noticed he same wheel was loosening up, adjusted the bearing, torqued the pindle, got through the day, but thought I better pull it apart efore I took it out again this weekend. What I found astounded me - he inside bearing race - the one that press fits into the hub - was attling around, with easily 1/32 clearance. The bearing race is the orrect dimension, the race from the other hub fits the same (loose) ay in this hub and snug in the right hub, so the only thing I can igure is the race spun and wore down the hub or pounded it out of hape. The grease is black but no real sign of metal filings. Clearly I need a replacement hub (this weekend's race is not looking ood at the moment - always the spare you don't have on hand), but I'm ust wondering what caused this that I should have looked for. I ecall the race being a snug fit when I put it in, but maybe not. nyone experience this? While I'm at it, this could be an excuse to upgrade to aluminum hubs. nyone have any experience with any particular supplier, pro or con? ny benefits or drawbacks? ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Wed May 19 06:09:57 2010 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 05:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Bob Kramer Message-ID: <861541.1690.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Sorry to take up space in everyone's inbox. Bob Kramer, please contact me off the list. Thanks, Ernie From BillDentin at aol.com Wed May 19 13:08:58 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 15:08:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] Vintage GT Challenge at ROAD AMERICA Message-ID: <25a4.41c2b65c.3925914a@aol.com> Amici... Not sure if there was anyone else, but Tony Drews, John Fridirici and I raced with SVRA at ROAD AMERICA last week end. Tony went FAST, I went half fast, and poor Fridirici trashed a fresh engine on the first lap of the first session. Not sure, but I suspect a 'repaired' head could not take some added compression. Racing is not for the faint of heart. A Datsun mechanic dropped by our paddock during the week end, and indicated he has a TR6 engine, tranny, and overdrive unit in his shop that is from a project that never went ahead. He wants to get rid of it for $400. I have not seen it, have no idea of its condition, and have no commercial interest here. If anyone wants to check it out, he is located near Milwaukee, Wisconsin. His name is Dean Champeau, and his telephone number is 262/367-3483. Bill Dentinger From BillDentin at aol.com Wed May 19 13:18:30 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 15:18:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] Vintage GP Challenge at ROAD AMERICA (reprise) Message-ID: <302e.6321470.39259386@aol.com> Amici... I forgot to mention that Joe Alexander was up at ROAD AMERICA as well, and he brought his freshly restored AMBRO, on his brand new trailer. Both are really classy and got a lot of attention from the crowd. Dave Kettler, Kent Howard, Ernie Husmann, and a whole bunch of other TRIUMPH aficionados were there as well. Good Wine & Cheese parties every night, and Victory Banquets at exotic places like Schwarz's in St. Anna, and Antoinette's (sp?) in Plymouth. Bill (Damdinger) From bownes at seiri.com Wed May 19 14:28:59 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 16:28:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage GP Challenge at ROAD AMERICA (reprise) In-Reply-To: <302e.6321470.39259386@aol.com> References: <302e.6321470.39259386@aol.com> Message-ID: Ooooooohhhhhhhh Schwarz's......That's almost enough to make me wish I lived in Wisconsin again. On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:18 PM, wrote: > Amici... > > I forgot to mention that Joe Alexander was up at ROAD AMERICA as well, and > he brought his freshly restored AMBRO, on his brand new trailer. Both are > really classy and got a lot of attention from the crowd. > > Dave Kettler, Kent Howard, Ernie Husmann, and a whole bunch of other > TRIUMPH aficionados were there as well. Good Wine & Cheese parties every > night, > and Victory Banquets at exotic places like Schwarz's in St. Anna, and > Antoinette's (sp?) in Plymouth. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From spitlist at cox.net Wed May 19 14:48:08 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 13:48:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage GT Challenge at ROAD AMERICA In-Reply-To: <25a4.41c2b65c.3925914a@aol.com> References: <25a4.41c2b65c.3925914a@aol.com> Message-ID: <3492628596574EF18EC47A7EF33A8CAB@joepentiumnew> The overdrive by itself is probably worth the $400.00. I bet it doesn't sit very long before someone snatches it up. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Vintage GT Challenge at ROAD AMERICA Amici... Not sure if there was anyone else, but Tony Drews, John Fridirici and I raced with SVRA at ROAD AMERICA last week end. Tony went FAST, I went half fast, and poor Fridirici trashed a fresh engine on the first lap of the first session. Not sure, but I suspect a 'repaired' head could not take some added compression. Racing is not for the faint of heart. A Datsun mechanic dropped by our paddock during the week end, and indicated he has a TR6 engine, tranny, and overdrive unit in his shop that is from a project that never went ahead. He wants to get rid of it for $400. I have not seen it, have no idea of its condition, and have no commercial interest here. If anyone wants to check it out, he is located near Milwaukee, Wisconsin. His name is Dean Champeau, and his telephone number is 262/367-3483. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From BillDentin at aol.com Wed May 19 15:09:34 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:09:34 EDT Subject: [Fot] Vintage GP Challenge at ROAD AMERICA (reprise) Message-ID: In a message dated 05/19/2010 3:29:01 PM Central Daylight Time, bownes at seiri.com writes: > Ooooooohhhhhhhh Schwarz's......That's almost enough to make me wish I > lived in Wisconsin again. > An absolutely WORLD CLASS steak/chop house in the middle of nowhere. Well, actually it's in Wisconsin's 'holy land'. All the cities in the area have names like St. Anna, St. Michael's, St. Nazianz And you order a drink and its twice as big as anywhere else and only two-thirds the price. Bill (Damdinger) From bownes at seiri.com Wed May 19 15:39:30 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:39:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage GT Challenge at ROAD AMERICA In-Reply-To: <3492628596574EF18EC47A7EF33A8CAB@joepentiumnew> References: <25a4.41c2b65c.3925914a@aol.com> <3492628596574EF18EC47A7EF33A8CAB@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: I'd take it for the engine alone if I had a way to get it home. :/ On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > The overdrive by itself is probably worth the $400.00. > > I bet it doesn't sit very long before someone snatches it up. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:09 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Vintage GT Challenge at ROAD AMERICA > > Amici... > > Not sure if there was anyone else, but Tony Drews, John Fridirici and I > raced with SVRA at ROAD AMERICA last week end. Tony went FAST, I went half > fast, and poor Fridirici trashed a fresh engine on the first lap of the > first > session. Not sure, but I suspect a 'repaired' head could not take some > added > compression. Racing is not for the faint of heart. > > A Datsun mechanic dropped by our paddock during the week end, and indicated > he has a TR6 engine, tranny, and overdrive unit in his shop that is from a > project that never went ahead. He wants to get rid of it for $400. I have > not seen it, have no idea of its condition, and have no commercial interest > here. If anyone wants to check it out, he is located near Milwaukee, > Wisconsin. His name is Dean Champeau, and his telephone number is > 262/367-3483. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 19 16:06:18 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 18:06:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage GP Challenge at ROAD AMERICA (reprise) In-Reply-To: References: <302e.6321470.39259386@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CCC5B6A3FA17FC-2358-4594@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com> The weather was great, the activities were varied and included a car show. I got 600 miles on the new purpose built small bore car trailer with new tie down design and very pleased. I got about 15 miles of touring time on the AMBRO before a dash ignition wire came adrift....pleased with the AMBRO, too. Nice weekend...looking forward to Blackhawk Farms. Joe -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 3:28 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage GP Challenge at ROAD AMERICA (reprise) Ooooooohhhhhhhh Schwarz's......That's almost enough to make me wish I lived n Wisconsin again. On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:18 PM, wrote: > Amici... I forgot to mention that Joe Alexander was up at ROAD AMERICA as well, and he brought his freshly restored AMBRO, on his brand new trailer. Both are really classy and got a lot of attention from the crowd. Dave Kettler, Kent Howard, Ernie Husmann, and a whole bunch of other TRIUMPH aficionados were there as well. Good Wine & Cheese parties every night, and Victory Banquets at exotic places like Schwarz's in St. Anna, and Antoinette's (sp?) in Plymouth. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From mark at bradakis.com Wed May 19 16:31:05 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 16:31:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Two's company Message-ID: <4BF466A9.9060600@bradakis.com> Just for grins, check out http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=48 And on a side note, I am going to be making a serious effort to get to this year's Kastner Cup race. I found I had another incentive the other day. Back when I was working at Bailey's Pugs gave Ricki, the young apprentice mechanic, a GT6 project. To help him stay enthused I loaned him some of my Triumph books. I won't go into the whole story but the books may or may not be gone. One of them was my autographed copy of Kas' book that had me mentioned in it. So I've got to acquire another copy and take it with me to see if Kas will autograph the replacement. mjb. From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed May 19 16:26:14 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 22:26:14 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Message-ID: <20100519.182614.3447.5@webmail21.dca.untd.com> I am waiting for my son to email me a picture that he took at the National. Most other on track pictures were from professionals and have restrictions about publishing them. My son has posted some youutube video of various races. The only video from this National race was the victory lap taken by him with him in the car. Search cessnan121pp for all his videos on youtube. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Cc: 'Joe Boruch' , fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 22:32:49 -0400 On 5/18/2010 8:43 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > Heck Joe some of us have a hard time keeping one running for a vintage > weekend. Great job. I know you must spend countless hours preparing that > car. Keep up the excellent work. > > I'd love some pictures of your car. > > Greg > > Great job Joe! We'd all love to see pix of the car, why not post some to the team.net Forum pages? Maybe Mordy can post some on the FoT site. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go ____________________________________________________________ Free Penny Stock Alerts Join our free newsletter and get stock alerts that gain up to 3550%! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf465d4f35de560bd3st03duc From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sat May 22 09:46:15 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:46:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil pressure seetings for SBC piston guded rods Message-ID: <00b101caf9c5$ea004440$be00ccc0$@rr.com> Anyone using the Chevy rods with the narrow big end please let me know what oil pressure settings you are using. This past weekend I saw my pressure bleed off from 75psi at idle 80 psi above 2000rpm to 30psi at idle/60psi above 2000rpm after 2 laps in my second race. I skipped Sunday's races because I could not get the cold oil pressure at start up back to 80psi. I will be pulling the pan this weekend to look at bearings, but I am now wondering if I need to be setting the pressure regulator higher, like 100psi, due to the amount of oil that get past the narrow rod bearings. What say the oil pressure gurus. From malaboge at aol.com Sat May 22 16:23:21 2010 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 18:23:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Help Me Obi One... Message-ID: <8CCC814856F79CD-82C-8431@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> Fellow parts changers... Oh I get so disagreeable about the "little stuff". So I haul out a pair of TR calipers, a rebuild kit and some new pistons and settle down for a little "quality time" on the bench. Everything goes well until I open the no-name rebuild kit. The seals seem right, its the right type of dust boot, but why are there springs in there for the pistons like the kits for the late calipers! So I grab another kit off the shelf ...its got the same part # (Moss 583-001) but this one also has the ole Girling number on the box (SP2501). Now I know thats the right Girling number so I figger I'll use this kit...at least it has no springs in it. I know I shouldn't have, but I just couldn't stop myself...the seals in the Girling marked kit are larger than the no name kit. The no-namers seem to be the right size for the piston as they "just" are the same size as the piston od. Now the Girling marked seals fall right off the pistons and seem to be a good 1/8" bigger in diameter. Whats a poor boy to do? So, does anyone have a 16pb (the later metric) piston lying around they can measure? All the stuff in my shop is the earlier 16p stuff. I know there are different part nos for each piston, but are they the same diameter...inquiring minds want to know... Anna a nuther thing...why have the stainless pistons gotten heavier? They're thicker all over compared to the stockers... Those are the brakes... Nick in Nor Cal From seaCubeCo at aol.com Sat May 22 17:31:57 2010 From: seaCubeCo at aol.com (Seacubeco) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:31:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [fot] need help locating parts for mga In-Reply-To: <00b101caf9c5$ea004440$be00ccc0$@rr.com> References: <00b101caf9c5$ea004440$be00ccc0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <033A0264-997C-419D-9015-F92120DE101A@aol.com> Fellow freaks of cars from across the pond My friend just crashed his 58 MGA race car today and I am putting out feelers for parts. So far from guessing we will need body pannels and a frame. I an sure we will needore things but those will get us started Thank you Chris Bock From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sat May 22 20:31:23 2010 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Help Me Obi One... In-Reply-To: <8CCC814856F79CD-82C-8431@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <534342.18888.qm@web111413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> "Whats a poor boy to do?" Nick, I just happened to have the latest Moss Motors catalog lying here next to my keyboard. What I decipher from scanning page 57 is that all A,B & C pistons and seals are the same except in the new replacement "C" calipers which take kit # 583-110. Those are the ones I would suspect are the metric size. Sorry I don't have any metric ones here to measure. I installed the 583-001 kits in the calipers of my TR 3 in '06. Over the winter the brake fluid leaked from the left caliper. I disassembled it and found the seal nearly turned to mush. I called Moss about it. The parts person I spoke to said they no longer sell it due to quality problems. I would suggest not using the kits with that part # unless you are sure they are genuine Girling and not el-cheapo brand. Ken Suhre From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun May 23 06:51:49 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 07:51:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: CVAR at ECR part1 Message-ID: <000a01cafa76$b5b95f30$212c1d90$@rr.com> I guess I got long winded, part = From: Greg & Alison Blake [mailto:ablake2 at austin.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:56 AM To: 'fot at autox.team.net' Cc: 'Robert Blake' Subject: CVAR at ECR Race report for Eagles Canyon last weekend: CVAR was at Eagles Canyon last weekend. Dad got there Friday to get some extra seat time in No. 14 (Ex VARA red TR4). This was his first race weekend since taking his student weekend back in September 09. Unfortunately he only got one practice session in before the rain started. He said by the end of his session it was pouring down rain. He said the car was breaking up over 5000rpm. I got there to clearing skies around 4pm Friday, but they had already called it quits for Friday test and tune. We walked the track and noted several areas where water was leaching through the pavement GREAT. Saturday came and the skies looked like they would let loose at any moment. Luckily we were spared all day, no rain. Bobby Whitehead, Gary Fuqua, and Bob Blake represented FOT in group 7. Gary ran really strong in a group of three, I think he was up with two B sedans. Car looked faster than normal. Bobby was a bit behind mixing it up with another B sedan, think it was a 510, having a good time. Dad was way in back in the first race and the car sounded terrible (more latter). Bill Collins(last name??) was there in his recently acquired Spit in group 2. Bill looked really good. Car sounded good too. Joe Hovey was there too but unfortunately his spit was left at home. I think he has been chewing up bearings lately. I ran the TR3 in group 4 on Sat. The track was still wet for qualifying when I went out for the first time to learn the track. Luckily, Dad and I had noted those wet off camber corners on Friday. They were extremely slick on Sat. There was one, I think it is turn 7 & 8, where you have just scrubbed speed from the 2500 back straight to enter a 90 degree no camber uphill lefthander which transitions to a 90 degree off camber down hill right hander. The tricky part is that the crest of the vertical curve is right were you need to start your turn in for the right hander. You get really light there. To add to the trickery, at the apex of this right hander was one of the worst wet spots on the track. Needless to say, I stayed off the gas through this apex. I qualified 1st for VA and VB but had two formula coopers and a lola in front of me for the start. I did not intend to qualify up there because I am still a bit nervous on starts. I guess that is a good way to get over that fear. At the start, I let the 356 speedster, Healy 106, MGA, and Alfa pass me. I chased for a lap to see how those wet sots were doing. Once settled, I passed the MGA and Alfa on lap two. The 106 and the lola were pulling away as I chased the speedster. We were neck and neck on the straights and bumper to bumper in the turns. This went on for two laps, with me yielding at each corner. I found two places on the track where I know I could pass him clean. The exit to turn 2, and out braking him at the end of the back straight. On lap 3, I decided I would pass him at the end of the back straight. I setup to the inside to out brake him and we both flew past his normal braking point, I guess he knew what I was up to. He ended up way too deep into 7 and I though he would need some extra room to recover so yielded again. We got into 8 a little off line and he did a half spin, while he was recovering, I shot past going into 9 and never saw him again. For the next several laps I was closing the gap with the 106 and the lola, but ran out of time. Turns out I set fastest lap time for VA and VB while chasing the 106. In lap two of the second race I ran into the oil pressure issue posted about earlier so I pulled in. Continued From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun May 23 06:53:02 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 07:53:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CVAR at ECR part 2/2 Message-ID: <000f01cafa76$e18894f0$a499bed0$@rr.com> Part 2/2 Back to #14. Like I said it did not sound good but I did not get a good opportunity to hear it at full tilt. There was about 10 911s running group 7 this weekend and it is difficult to hear a TR motor over those screamers. In the second group 7 race Dad was again falling back and the car did not look fast, the stars aligned and I heard the motor at the end of one of the straights and noticed what Dad was complaining about, it sounded terrible. When he got back to our pit, it was late and the kegs were already tapped. We were pretty thirsty so the car could wait. We hooked up with the rest of the FOT at the kegs and ran into Ed & Josh Barnard. They had been at corner 10 all day. Ed said #14 sounded off. After a few trips to the keg we decided it was time to do some diagnostics, the timing of that decision had nothing to do with the rum cake or floating kegs. We figured out pretty quick that #14 had been running on three cylinders all day. We eliminated electrical and a compression test yielded good results. Fuel.well #4 was firing just fine. So Ed broke out the carb cleaner to no avail, could not find the leak. We were all a bit baffled at this point and convinced ourselves that there must be something blocking the intake runner to #3. We decided since I was not running in the morning we would have time to pull the carbs in the morning. Once removed, everything looked clear. Carbs went back on. As we were tightening the nuts on the carbs, we noticed that one of the intake manifold split washers was not compressed. Sure enough a wrench revealed that the nut was finger tight. Finally got it. We went through all manifold nuts. She fired up and sounded great. A silly intake leak. We then were able to time it better since it was now running A LOT smoother and the timing mark was not jumping around. We also set the mixture a little richer after looking at the plugs. What a difference. This car has never sounded this good. Dad took 11 seconds off his best time from Sat in the first Sunday race. He was going to grid for the second race and a grose jet failed with no spares, the car went on the trailer. What a great weekend. We all had a blast. Greg From dos_gusanos at msn.com Sun May 23 20:29:22 2010 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 20:29:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Autocrossing in Farmington, NM Triumph does it again! Message-ID: Cheers to all, Took my 15 year old son,Jake, to the two day autocross in Farmington, NM over the weekend. Our mount was the TR7 with the Dolomite Sprint engine. I entered as a TR7 sprint and they stuck us straight into H stock. We won our class even though we were cheating heavily, but we were the only one's in our class. My son got to experience spinning out and breaking a throttle cable and pitching a blade of the alternator fan into the bottom of the bonnet. I had a great time and hope he did too. Cheers Henry Morrison, Cedar Crest, NM From adams910 at gmail.com Mon May 24 13:52:02 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 15:52:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com Message-ID: http://www.britishracecar.com/GeorgeWright-Triumph-TR4.htm Trick, sano and very fast. I really like the removable front clip and cowl. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 24 14:05:03 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 20:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll Message-ID: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Greetings FoT I'm just taking a poll of what brake pads & shoes are being used. I have been using the Porterfield vintage compound on the front because of exceptional initial bite. Unfortunately the last two times I raced the car on freshly turned rotors with new pads I end up cooking the pads & rotorsB in a single weekend. I'm not ready to throw Porterfield under the proverbial busB but so far I'm not seeing anything in the front end or calipers that would cause the problem. Both times the rotors scored up pretty bad all the way across. The pads have a gap at the outboard edge of the pads ( top )B and snug at the inboard side. The smell of cooked brakes is present and blue rings toward the inboard edges of the rotors. Chunks of pad missing, pads glazed. The rears have performed great, no problems. I had to use the brakes so hard over the 15th & 16th I still have a prononced limp, no joke. I do have Uncle Jack's spindles and have a real good pedal, no fade or kickback. Thanks for the input, Jim G. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 24 14:25:27 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 22:25:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601cafb7f$409d9d10$c1d8d730$@com> Some nice gadgets on that car but the left cage side is really not stylish. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bob Adams Gesendet: Montag, 24. Mai 2010 21:52 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com http://www.britishracecar.com/GeorgeWright-Triumph-TR4.htm Trick, sano and very fast. I really like the removable front clip and cowl. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 24 14:36:39 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 22:36:39 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll In-Reply-To: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000701cafb80$d13c8330$73b58990$@com> I use EBC yellow pads in front and Lucas brake shoes at rear. Does work very fine. BUT....I cooked several times my brake sealing rings to death. For this season I have special made brake sealing rings they seem to last. No dripping brake anymore. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net Gesendet: Montag, 24. Mai 2010 22:05 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll Greetings FoT I'm just taking a poll of what brake pads & shoes are being used. I have been using the Porterfield vintage compound on the front because of exceptional initial bite. Unfortunately the last two times I raced the car on freshly turned rotors with new pads I end up cooking the pads & rotorsB in a single weekend. I'm not ready to throw Porterfield under the proverbial busB but so far I'm not seeing anything in the front end or calipers that would cause the problem. Both times the rotors scored up pretty bad all the way across. The pads have a gap at the outboard edge of the pads ( top )B and snug at the inboard side. The smell of cooked brakes is present and blue rings toward the inboard edges of the rotors. Chunks of pad missing, pads glazed. The rears have performed great, no problems. I had to use the brakes so hard over the 15th & 16th I still have a prononced limp, no joke. I do have Uncle Jack's spindles and have a real good pedal, no fade or kickback. Thanks for the input, Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From riverside at southslope.net Mon May 24 14:43:07 2010 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 15:43:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] spitty diffs Message-ID: <006501cafb81$b7b3b040$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Rebuilding a diff for a 76 Spit autocrosser and the pinion gear shims are junk. Anybody know where to find some? Absent finding them, is there a work around? Like using thicker side gear shims to take up the slack? All ideas welcome! thanks art de armond From adams910 at gmail.com Mon May 24 14:50:38 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 16:50:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com In-Reply-To: <000601cafb7f$409d9d10$c1d8d730$@com> References: <000601cafb7f$409d9d10$c1d8d730$@com> Message-ID: Christian, The sidebars are called "NASCAR door bars" since that's where they originated from. They're VERY strong and extremely effective at keeping a car out of the cockpit in side impacts. Looking at the pictures, the cage in George's car meets and even exceeds the current SCCA rules by using NASCAR door bars on both sides. You probably don't see them often in Europe. I think in Europe you commonly see a x, that is boxed in where the two tubes intersect. You might also see some additional tubing leading to the boxed in x section. Hope that helps. From dave at microworks.net Mon May 24 15:00:20 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 14:00:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Facebook Group Message-ID: I just made a "Friends of Triumph" Facebook Group. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=124727640888719 If/when Mark or Mordy join the group I'll elevate them to Admins of it. After noting that half the people that posted to the FOT list this past week are on Facebook (14 yes, 13 no and 1 undetermined) I thought we might as well have a presence there too. Join up if you want. I determined the above stats based on the email address they send to the list with by checking their profile in my Outlook with the Xobni plug-in From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 24 15:02:16 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 23:02:16 +0200 Subject: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com In-Reply-To: References: <000601cafb7f$409d9d10$c1d8d730$@com> Message-ID: <000c01cafb84$6555d820$30018860$@com> Hi Bob, since last year we also have to fit side impact bars. As I have a flimsy fiber glass door Im really happy to have those double bars. Have a look on the photos. The bars are completely hidden by the door and do meet the FIA rules. http://1.1.1.5/bmi/www.britishcarforum.com/bcforum/gallery/49/full/21530.jpg Cheers Chris Von: Bob Adams [mailto:adams910 at gmail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 24. Mai 2010 22:51 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com Christian, The sidebars are called "NASCAR door bars" since that's where they originated from. They're VERY strong and extremely effective at keeping a car out of the cockpit in side impacts. Looking at the pictures, the cage in George's car meets and even exceeds the current SCCA rules by using NASCAR door bars on both sides. You probably don't see them often in Europe. I think in Europe you commonly see a x, that is boxed in where the two tubes intersect. You might also see some additional tubing leading to the boxed in x section. Hope that helps. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 24 15:18:43 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 23:18:43 +0200 Subject: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001101cafb86$b1928740$14b795c0$@com> Another thing I don't understand. At the link of the rear swaybar there is a little coil spring between the rubber bits. For what is that coil spring? Wouldn't the spring weaken the efficiency of the rear swaybar? Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bob Adams Gesendet: Montag, 24. Mai 2010 21:52 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com http://www.britishracecar.com/GeorgeWright-Triumph-TR4.htm Trick, sano and very fast. I really like the removable front clip and cowl. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon May 24 15:20:58 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 14:20:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll In-Reply-To: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <31C74618CB974B25A2227A46139D50DE@TOSHIBALAPTOP> I'm using the regular Porterfield R-4, not the vintage version. The vintage pads are made to work at very low temperatures. Before giving up on Porterfield, I'd suggest trying the full race version. I get about 6 weekends on a set of pads and a couple more on the rear shoes. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:05 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll Greetings FoT I'm just taking a poll of what brake pads & shoes are being used. I have been using the Porterfield vintage compound on the front because of exceptional initial bite. Unfortunately the last two times I raced the car on freshly turned rotors with new pads I end up cooking the pads & rotorsB in a single weekend. I'm not ready to throw Porterfield under the proverbial busB but so far I'm not seeing anything in the front end or calipers that would cause the problem. Both times the rotors scored up pretty bad all the way across. The pads have a gap at the outboard edge of the pads ( top )B and snug at the inboard side. The smell of cooked brakes is present and blue rings toward the inboard edges of the rotors. Chunks of pad missing, pads glazed. The rears have performed great, no problems. I had to use the brakes so hard over the 15th & 16th I still have a prononced limp, no joke. I do have Uncle Jack's spindles and have a real good pedal, no fade or kickback. Thanks for the input, Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From spitlist at cox.net Mon May 24 15:33:22 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 14:33:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitty diffs In-Reply-To: <006501cafb81$b7b3b040$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <006501cafb81$b7b3b040$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: Here is a link to Spitbits shims for that application. http://www.spitbits.com/store/Front-Pinion-Shim-C651.aspx Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of riverside Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] spitty diffs Rebuilding a diff for a 76 Spit autocrosser and the pinion gear shims are junk. Anybody know where to find some? Absent finding them, is there a work around? Like using thicker side gear shims to take up the slack? All ideas welcome! thanks art de armond _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon May 24 15:48:37 2010 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 16:48:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] spitty diffs References: <006501cafb81$b7b3b040$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <844FED4A58A446D896F2008CDC1B47F2@rocky> The Vicky Brit catalogue shows four different sizes (.0190", .0025", .0045", .0092"). www.victoriabritish.com. Or Ted Schumacher might have some (www.tsimportedautomotive.com, and Ted's on this list), or Roadster Factory (www.the-roadster-factory.com), or Moss Motors (www.mossmotors.com). In a pinch, get some tin snips and cut your own. Once in they just sit there. There's no real stress on them once compressed and it's not critical the ID and OD be perfect, just the thickness. When I needed real thin ones I cut them out of newspaper offset printing plate (.007" -- so thin I could use regular scissors). --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "riverside" To: Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 3:43 PM Subject: [Fot] spitty diffs > Rebuilding a diff for a 76 Spit autocrosser > and the pinion gear shims are junk. Anybody > know where to find some? Absent finding them, is there > a work around? Like using thicker side gear > shims to take up the slack? All ideas welcome! > > > thanks > > art de armond > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon May 24 16:32:48 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 15:32:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com In-Reply-To: <001101cafb86$b1928740$14b795c0$@com> References: <001101cafb86$b1928740$14b795c0$@com> Message-ID: <1e2701cafb91$09d16cf0$0301a8c0@randall> > For what is that coil spring? > Wouldn't the spring weaken the efficiency of the rear swaybar? Yes, exactly. It gives a method of adjusting the effect of the swaybar, to tune the roll rate and hence over/under-steer. Randall From fpspitfire at comcast.net Mon May 24 19:15:03 2010 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 01:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll In-Reply-To: <31C74618CB974B25A2227A46139D50DE@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <1181018503.839531274750103242.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hawk HT-10 in the front and HT-14 in the rear, unless the ambient temperature is low then I will use HT-10 in the rear.B I have some EBC green stuff pads for the rear if the surface is extremely slick. Readily available for the spitfire as the girling calipers are used on Formula Fords, and the rear I use a Wilwood dynalite caliper. Aaron SCCA H-Prod Spitfire 1500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norlin Engineering" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net, "fot" Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 5:20:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll I'm using the regular Porterfield R-4, not the vintage version. B The vintage pads are made to work at very low temperatures. B Before giving up on Porterfield, I'd suggest trying the full race version. B I get about 6 weekends on a set of pads and a couple more on the rear shoes. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:05 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll Greetings FoT I'm just taking a poll of what brake pads & shoes are being used. I have been using the Porterfield vintage compound on the front because of exceptional initial bite. Unfortunately the last two times I raced the car on freshly turned rotors with new pads I end up cooking the pads & rotorsB in a single weekend. I'm not ready to throw Porterfield under the proverbial busB but so far I'm not seeing anything in the front end or calipers that would cause the problem. Both times the rotors scored up pretty bad all the way across. The pads have a gap at the outboard edge of the pads ( top )B and snug at the inboard side. The smell of cooked brakes is present and blue rings toward the inboard edges of the rotors. Chunks of pad missing, pads glazed. The rears have performed great, no problems. I had to use the brakes so hard over the 15th & 16th I still have a prononced limp, no joke. I do have Uncle Jack's spindles and have a real good pedal, no fade or kickback. Thanks for the input, Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fpspitfire at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 24 22:55:05 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 06:55:05 +0200 Subject: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com In-Reply-To: <1e2701cafb91$09d16cf0$0301a8c0@randall> References: <001101cafb86$b1928740$14b795c0$@com> <1e2701cafb91$09d16cf0$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <000401cafbc6$72dd42c0$5897c840$@com> Ahhh - I see but that would allow only very small adjustments compared with shortening the swaybar arms. But good idea anyway! Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Randall Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Mai 2010 00:33 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com > For what is that coil spring? > Wouldn't the spring weaken the efficiency of the rear swaybar? Yes, exactly. It gives a method of adjusting the effect of the swaybar, to tune the roll rate and hence over/under-steer. Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jhd11 at hotmail.com Tue May 25 09:25:06 2010 From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:25:06 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads Message-ID: To add to the brake discussion; As some of you may or may not know, we are building a TR6 to go Chumpcar Racing (same principal as Lemons). We will be using, initially at least, stock discs,drums and calipers. Since it is endurance racing we will need several sets of brake pads. Are there any off the shelf performance pads for the 6 that will work. I spoke to the Carbotech people and they can have a pad that will work but a lot of $$! Thanks in advance. Joe Downer RiffRAF Racing Charlotte, N.C. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 25 09:57:32 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:57:32 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003101cafc22$fe70bf90$fb523eb0$@com> Hi Joe, EBC blue stuff is for endurance racing. Cheers Chrsi -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Joe Henry Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Mai 2010 17:25 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads To add to the brake discussion; As some of you may or may not know, we are building a TR6 to go Chumpcar Racing (same principal as Lemons). We will be using, initially at least, stock discs,drums and calipers. Since it is endurance racing we will need several sets of brake pads. Are there any off the shelf performance pads for the 6 that will work. I spoke to the Carbotech people and they can have a pad that will work but a lot of $$! Thanks in advance. Joe Downer RiffRAF Racing Charlotte, N.C. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28 3 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From chasgee at aol.com Tue May 25 10:30:48 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 12:30:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCCA3EC4B67675-C28-DCC2@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com> Based on my experience in a Lemons race with a TR7, buy the more expensive pads. We started with the off the shelf performance pads (Pep Boys type stuff) and they lasted about 2 hours. After we put proper race pads on, we made it the rest of the way with no problems. They were expensive, but cheaper that replacing pads after every driver stint. Good luck and enjoy the race. If it is anything like Lemons, you will have a blast! Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Joe Henry To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 8:25 am Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads To add to the brake discussion; As some of you may or may not know, we are building a TR6 to go Chumpcar acing (same principal as Lemons). We will be using, initially at least, tock discs,drums and calipers. Since it is endurance racing we will need everal sets of brake pads. Are there any off the shelf performance pads for he 6 that will work. I spoke to the Carbotech people and they can have a pad hat will work but a lot of $$! Thanks in advance. Joe Downer iffRAF Racing harlotte, N.C. _________________________________________________________________ he New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with otmail. ttp://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Tue May 25 11:42:06 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 10:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads Message-ID: <269025.28391.qm@web46113.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Check out Hawk brake pads. You will want to check application charts but If I remember correctly part #HP 169560s ht10 compound for all out racing. I believe this is the same pad as the 240z. A few of their parts were copied from the TR and cross over (brakes/wheel bolt pattern). Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 25, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Joe Henry wrote: To add to the brake discussion; As some of you may or may not know, we are building a TR6 to go Chumpcar Racing (same principal as Lemons). We will be using, initially at least, stock discs,drums and calipers. Since it is endurance racing we will need several sets of brake pads. Are there any off the shelf performance pads for the 6 that will work. I spoke to the Carbotech people and they can have a pad that will work but a lot of $$! Thanks in advance. Joe Downer RiffRAF Racing Charlotte, N.C. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 25 11:53:14 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads In-Reply-To: <269025.28391.qm@web46113.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <522795991.954001274809994058.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I just ordered a set of H10's from Pegasus. The part number is correct. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" To: "Joe Henry" Cc: "" Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:42:06 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads Check out Hawk brake pads. You will want to check application charts but If I remember correctly part #HP 169560s ht10 compound for all out racing. I believe this is the same pad as the 240z. A few of their parts were copied from the TR and cross over (brakes/wheel bolt pattern). Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 25, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Joe Henry wrote: B B B To add to the brake discussion; B B B As some of you may or may not know, we are building a TR6 to go Chumpcar Racing (same principal as Lemons). B We will be using, initially at least, stock discs,drums and calipers. B Since it is endurance racing we will need several sets of brake pads. B Are there any off the shelf performance pads for the 6 that will work. B I spoke to the Carbotech people and they can have a pad that will work but a lot of $$! B Thanks in advance. Joe Downer RiffRAF Racing Charlotte, N.C. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From igofaster at att.net Tue May 25 12:57:09 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Facebook Group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <979910.58864.qm@web180716.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> don't do much FB.... but I joined the FoT FB community... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Dave Riddle To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 4:00:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Facebook Group I just made a "Friends of Triumph" Facebook Group. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=124727640888719 If/when Mark or Mordy join the group I'll elevate them to Admins of it. After noting that half the people that posted to the FOT list this past week are on Facebook (14 yes, 13 no and 1 undetermined) I thought we might as well have a presence there too. Join up if you want. I determined the above stats based on the email address they send to the list with by checking their profile in my Outlook with the Xobni plug-in _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue May 25 14:13:06 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:13:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads References: <8CCCA3EC4B67675-C28-DCC2@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <57BFC7254C97469B926C5232F0757E0D@latitudefb1e41> Thanks for that info. We have a TR6 in progress for the Sept. Lemon's race near Houston. I was planning on using some street performance pads. I figured that they would last longer. I have a collection of partially used pads so we may save them for Sunday. Yeah, I'm optomistic. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads > Based on my experience in a Lemons race with a TR7, buy the more expensive > pads. We started with the off the shelf performance pads (Pep Boys type > stuff) and they lasted about 2 hours. After we put proper race pads on, > we > made it the rest of the way with no problems. They were expensive, but > cheaper that replacing pads after every driver stint. > > Good luck and enjoy the race. If it is anything like Lemons, you will > have a > blast! > > Chuck > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Henry > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 8:25 am > Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads > > > To add to the brake discussion; > As some of you may or may not know, we are building a TR6 to go > Chumpcar > acing (same principal as Lemons). We will be using, initially at least, > tock discs,drums and calipers. Since it is endurance racing we will need > everal sets of brake pads. Are there any off the shelf performance pads > for > he 6 that will work. I spoke to the Carbotech people and they can have a > pad > hat will work but a lot of $$! Thanks in advance. > Joe Downer > iffRAF Racing > harlotte, N.C. > _________________________________________________________________ > he New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with > otmail. > ttp://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 > 6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue May 25 16:54:29 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:54:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! Message-ID: Pack your bags...... Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "yemington" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >I hope this isn't a cruel joke... > > http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cvar_general/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cvar_general/join > (Yahoo! ID required) > > <*> To change settings via email: > cvar_general-digest at yahoogroups.com > cvar_general-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > cvar_general-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 25 17:04:58 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 16:04:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! References: Message-ID: Wooohoo!..my Son lives in Lakeway..30 miles from Austin!!... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:54 PM Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > Pack your bags...... > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "yemington" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:32 PM > Subject: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > > >>I hope this isn't a cruel joke... >> >> http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 25 17:22:24 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 16:22:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> Oh Great, another Herman Tilke cookie-cutter race course to be built and countless millions of dollars going to line Bernie Ecclestone's deep pockets. It makes one wonder how long it will be before Bernie scratches the whole plan because he is not getting nearly as rich off the venture as he originally thought. And will USF1 actually field a car by the time the track is built? Skeptically, Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:05 PM To: Bob Kramer; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! Wooohoo!..my Son lives in Lakeway..30 miles from Austin!!... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:54 PM Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > Pack your bags...... > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "yemington" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:32 PM > Subject: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > > >>I hope this isn't a cruel joke... >> >> http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cvar_general/ >> >> <*> Your email settings: >> Individual Email | Traditional >> >> <*> To change settings online go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cvar_general/join >> (Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From dave at microworks.net Tue May 25 18:00:26 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:00:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! In-Reply-To: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> References: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <84C68E435A3941FD8596313191D2F51F@sys> USF1 is kaput. It will not be rising from the ashes -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:22 PM To: 'RACER BUD'; 'Bob Kramer'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! Oh Great, another Herman Tilke cookie-cutter race course to be built and countless millions of dollars going to line Bernie Ecclestone's deep pockets. It makes one wonder how long it will be before Bernie scratches the whole plan because he is not getting nearly as rich off the venture as he originally thought. And will USF1 actually field a car by the time the track is built? Skeptically, Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:05 PM To: Bob Kramer; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! Wooohoo!..my Son lives in Lakeway..30 miles from Austin!!... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:54 PM Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > Pack your bags...... > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "yemington" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:32 PM > Subject: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > > >>I hope this isn't a cruel joke... >> >> http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dave at microworks.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue May 25 19:06:09 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:06:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! References: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <40337B4109254E219D37C8A8F250652B@latitudefb1e41> Yeah but.....we get a world class facility right here in central TX for the other 51 weeks of the year. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'RACER BUD'" ; "'Bob Kramer'" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:22 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > Oh Great, another Herman Tilke cookie-cutter race course to be built and > countless millions of dollars going to line Bernie Ecclestone's deep > pockets. > > It makes one wonder how long it will be before Bernie scratches the whole > plan because he is not getting nearly as rich off the venture as he > originally thought. > > And will USF1 actually field a car by the time the track is built? > > Skeptically, > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:05 PM > To: Bob Kramer; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > > Wooohoo!..my Son lives in Lakeway..30 miles from Austin!!... > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Kramer" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:54 PM > Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > > >> Pack your bags...... >> >> Bob Kramer >> Volente, TX >> >> Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch >> excellence. >> Vince Lombardi >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "yemington" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:32 PM >> Subject: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >> >> >>>I hope this isn't a cruel joke... >>> >>> http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: >>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tlizzard at msn.com Tue May 25 19:11:26 2010 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:11:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, lets hope that the track is better than than horrible thing that they did at Indy. Terry Stetler From billb at bnj.com Tue May 25 19:13:04 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:13:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! In-Reply-To: <40337B4109254E219D37C8A8F250652B@latitudefb1e41> References: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> <40337B4109254E219D37C8A8F250652B@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <7C6ADAFD-0DB9-465B-B41C-64B4BAFD064E@bnj.com> Geez, some guys would complain if you hung them with a new rope. I want an F1 race in the US that isn't a joke. Austin sounds great to me. We'll go early and see more live music on a tuesday night than anywhere else has in a month. And then go see an amazing spectacle. Works for me. Beats the hell out of Indy. On May 25, 2010, at 6:06 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Yeah but.....we get a world class facility right here in central TX for the other 51 weeks of the year. > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" > To: "'RACER BUD'" ; "'Bob Kramer'" ; > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:22 PM > Subject: RE: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > > >> Oh Great, another Herman Tilke cookie-cutter race course to be built and >> countless millions of dollars going to line Bernie Ecclestone's deep >> pockets. >> >> It makes one wonder how long it will be before Bernie scratches the whole >> plan because he is not getting nearly as rich off the venture as he >> originally thought. >> >> And will USF1 actually field a car by the time the track is built? >> >> Skeptically, >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of RACER BUD >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:05 PM >> To: Bob Kramer; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >> >> Wooohoo!..my Son lives in Lakeway..30 miles from Austin!!... >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:54 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >> >> >>> Pack your bags...... >>> >>> Bob Kramer >>> Volente, TX >>> >>> Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch >>> excellence. >>> Vince Lombardi >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "yemington" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:32 PM >>> Subject: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >>> >>> >>>> I hope this isn't a cruel joke... >>>> >>>> http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: >>>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 25 19:15:39 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:15:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! References: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> <40337B4109254E219D37C8A8F250652B@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <090362ABB13441669E96A6289114FEBA@Bud> It's Gonna Be Wonderful! It is Already Wonderful because it is POSITIVE!...RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" To: "Joe Curry" ; "'RACER BUD'" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > Yeah but.....we get a world class facility right here in central TX for > the other 51 weeks of the year. > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Curry" > To: "'RACER BUD'" ; "'Bob Kramer'" > ; > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:22 PM > Subject: RE: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > > >> Oh Great, another Herman Tilke cookie-cutter race course to be built and >> countless millions of dollars going to line Bernie Ecclestone's deep >> pockets. >> >> It makes one wonder how long it will be before Bernie scratches the whole >> plan because he is not getting nearly as rich off the venture as he >> originally thought. >> >> And will USF1 actually field a car by the time the track is built? >> >> Skeptically, >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of RACER BUD >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:05 PM >> To: Bob Kramer; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >> >> Wooohoo!..my Son lives in Lakeway..30 miles from Austin!!... >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob Kramer" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:54 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >> >> >>> Pack your bags...... >>> >>> Bob Kramer >>> Volente, TX >>> >>> Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch >>> excellence. >>> Vince Lombardi >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "yemington" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:32 PM >>> Subject: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >>> >>> >>>>I hope this isn't a cruel joke... >>>> >>>> http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: >>>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Tue May 25 19:24:26 2010 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:24:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National In-Reply-To: <20100519.182614.3447.5@webmail21.dca.untd.com> References: <20100519.182614.3447.5@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <4BFC784A.3070709@twcny.rr.com> Great Story Joe! I got curious so I looked up a youtube your son posted: "worlds fastest TR3?"... Cheers, M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2wf2niBALQ&NR=1 Ok so there are always youtube "suggestions" this one came up - Its hard to watch in the beginning but it gets "interesting" toward the end... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f9QIalMoIM&feature=related From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 25 19:36:33 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:36:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! In-Reply-To: <7C6ADAFD-0DB9-465B-B41C-64B4BAFD064E@bnj.com> References: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> <40337B4109254E219D37C8A8F250652B@latitudefb1e41> <7C6ADAFD-0DB9-465B-B41C-64B4BAFD064E@bnj.com> Message-ID: Bernie Ecclestone has left me with a very distinct bad taste for the way F1 has been run. His only interest is getting richer (God, how many Billions does one man need before he dies). The first sign that anything is not going his way, he pulls the rug out from under the event, leaving the people who worked so hard to make it happen with nothing but faded memories. I too hope that it will last but so many things have happened over the years to make me feel that it will. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:13 PM To: Bob Kramer Cc: Joe Curry; 'RACER BUD'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! Geez, some guys would complain if you hung them with a new rope. I want an F1 race in the US that isn't a joke. Austin sounds great to me. We'll go early and see more live music on a tuesday night than anywhere else has in a month. And then go see an amazing spectacle. Works for me. Beats the hell out of Indy. From walt at hot-tr6.com Tue May 25 20:06:42 2010 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:06:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Needed 1 Panasport Wheel-TR6 Message-ID: <20100526020541.1C72B187888@autox.team.net> If any FOT member can spare one Panasport wheel for my TR6 I need a bolt on 15X6. If interested please contact me directly at: walt at hot-tr6.com Thank You Walt Hollowell Abq., NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 105110 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Tue May 25 20:11:49 2010 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! In-Reply-To: References: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> <40337B4109254E219D37C8A8F250652B@latitudefb1e41> <7C6ADAFD-0DB9-465B-B41C-64B4BAFD064E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <796000.5088.qm@web46105.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> lets see. Watkins Glen, Long Beach, Phoenix, Detroit, Dallas, Indy. Did I miss any. The F1 sanctioning fee was 20 million US for Indy. I think that added up to about $100 per ticket for the US GP at Indy based on 200,000 tickets sold. The Hulman family paid the fee. Most countries pay the fee. That is why we see more and more F1 in the middle east. I was fortunate to see the Tyrell 6 wheel car run in Watkins Glen and make two of the F1 races in Indy. It is hard for promoters to make money in this country on F1. The world wide tv audiance is 600 million per event. Off to Indy this weekend for my 31st 500 in a row. Mike Mehl ________________________________ From: Joe Curry To: Bill Babcock ; Bob Kramer Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 6:36:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! Bernie Ecclestone has left me with a very distinct bad taste for the way F1 has been run. His only interest is getting richer (God, how many Billions does one man need before he dies). The first sign that anything is not going his way, he pulls the rug out from under the event, leaving the people who worked so hard to make it happen with nothing but faded memories. I too hope that it will last but so many things have happened over the years to make me feel that it will. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:13 PM To: Bob Kramer Cc: Joe Curry; 'RACER BUD'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! Geez, some guys would complain if you hung them with a new rope. I want an F1 race in the US that isn't a joke. Austin sounds great to me. We'll go early and see more live music on a tuesday night than anywhere else has in a month. And then go see an amazing spectacle. Works for me. Beats the hell out of Indy. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com From spyderweb at uwalumni.com Tue May 25 20:35:06 2010 From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (Jim Hill) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:35:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! In-Reply-To: <796000.5088.qm@web46105.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> <40337B4109254E219D37C8A8F250652B@latitudefb1e41> <7C6ADAFD-0DB9-465B-B41C-64B4BAFD064E@bnj.com> <796000.5088.qm@web46105.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike Mehl wrote: > lets see. Watkins Glen, Long Beach, Phoenix, Detroit, Dallas, Indy. Did I > miss any. Just a few: Sebring (1959) Riverside USA (1960) Las Vegas (1981 & 1982) Jim Hill From list at mackenzie.aero Tue May 25 21:06:46 2010 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 22:06:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts Message-ID: <000501cafc80$7a7df910$6f79eb30$@aero> I have been building up a performance 1500 engine for my '79 Spitfire street/autocross car. Starting with a early 1500 block with flat-top pistons, I had all the spinning bits dynamically balanced and installed one of Ted's 275-4 cams. 9:1 CR topped off with a ported head with custom bee-hive valve springs by Costa Mesa R&D. All in all a solid but not over the top spec looking more towards reliability and drivability over outright performance. One choice I made was to stick with a stock flywheel. When I installed it I used new bolts from a reputable specialist vendor. I have heard that one should not re-use the original bolts and I have also read the ARP bolts are higher in shear strength but tend to be brittle and break. The engine ran fine on first start but after a 45 min run-in the first time I opened the throttle and brought it up to some serious RPM (5500 +) the flywheel bolts failed. Questions: What is everybody else using in their full race motors? Could this just be a bad bolt or two? What are your thoughts on APR vs stock hardware? Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed May 26 06:06:52 2010 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 07:06:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F750@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I've been using ARP flywheel bolts in my Spitfire and have had no trouble with them. Scott B. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue May 25 22:06:46 2010 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts I have been building up a performance 1500 engine for my '79 Spitfire street/autocross car. Starting with a early 1500 block with flat-top pistons, I had all the spinning bits dynamically balanced and installed one of Ted's 275-4 cams. 9:1 CR topped off with a ported head with custom bee-hive valve springs by Costa Mesa R&D. All in all a solid but not over the top spec looking more towards reliability and drivability over outright performance. One choice I made was to stick with a stock flywheel. When I installed it I used new bolts from a reputable specialist vendor. I have heard that one should not re-use the original bolts and I have also read the ARP bolts are higher in shear strength but tend to be brittle and break. The engine ran fine on first start but after a 45 min run-in the first time I opened the throttle and brought it up to some serious RPM (5500 +) the flywheel bolts failed. Questions: What is everybody else using in their full race motors? Could this just be a bad bolt or two? What are your thoughts on APR vs stock hardware? Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed May 26 08:42:14 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <1828582338.1278921274884934125.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Greetings FoT I would like to nominate Tyler Thompson to the ranks. He races the # 413 TR-4 with the RMVR and is already proving to be quite quick. Tyler and his son are also doing a ground-up resto on a TR-4 street car. Tyler would like to join us at Topeka in August. Do I have a second ? Jim G tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed May 26 08:46:16 2010 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 07:46:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SPAM-LOW: Spitfire Flywheel Bolts References: <000501cafc80$7a7df910$6f79eb30$@aero> Message-ID: I use the ARP bolts for a 350 Chevy for my TR6. I believe they are the same as Spits. I did break the heads off of 3 out of 4 one time but have had no problems since then. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 8:06 PM Subject: SPAM-LOW: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts >I have been building up a performance 1500 engine for my '79 Spitfire > street/autocross car. > Starting with a early 1500 block with flat-top pistons, I had all the > spinning bits dynamically balanced and installed one of Ted's 275-4 cams. > 9:1 CR topped off with a ported head with custom bee-hive valve springs > by > Costa Mesa R&D. All in all a solid but not over the top spec looking more > towards reliability and drivability over outright performance. > One choice I made was to stick with a stock flywheel. When I installed it > I > used new bolts from a reputable specialist vendor. I have heard that one > should not re-use the original bolts and I have also read the ARP bolts > are > higher in shear strength but tend to be brittle and break. > The engine ran fine on first start but after a 45 min run-in the first > time > I opened the throttle and brought it up to some serious RPM (5500 +) the > flywheel bolts failed. > > Questions: > What is everybody else using in their full race motors? > Could this just be a bad bolt or two? > What are your thoughts on APR vs stock hardware? > > Robert MacKenzie > NASS # 511 > Austin Texas > '79 1500 (street) > '62 Spitfire 4 (race) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed May 26 09:36:29 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:36:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F750@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <564F4814BCE7400083D82BB6BEB44C40@TOSHIBALAPTOP> ARP Bolts and the crank and flywheel have been drilled and the crank tapped for 3 additional bolts. 7 bolts and 1 dowel pin. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 5:07 AM To: robert at mackenzie.aero; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts I've been using ARP flywheel bolts in my Spitfire and have had no trouble with them. Scott B. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue May 25 22:06:46 2010 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts I have been building up a performance 1500 engine for my '79 Spitfire street/autocross car. Starting with a early 1500 block with flat-top pistons, I had all the spinning bits dynamically balanced and installed one of Ted's 275-4 cams. 9:1 CR topped off with a ported head with custom bee-hive valve springs by Costa Mesa R&D. All in all a solid but not over the top spec looking more towards reliability and drivability over outright performance. One choice I made was to stick with a stock flywheel. When I installed it I used new bolts from a reputable specialist vendor. I have heard that one should not re-use the original bolts and I have also read the ARP bolts are higher in shear strength but tend to be brittle and break. The engine ran fine on first start but after a 45 min run-in the first time I opened the throttle and brought it up to some serious RPM (5500 +) the flywheel bolts failed. Questions: What is everybody else using in their full race motors? Could this just be a bad bolt or two? What are your thoughts on APR vs stock hardware? Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From cofrog at q.com Wed May 26 09:38:17 2010 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:38:17 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1828582338.1278921274884934125.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1828582338.1278921274884934125.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I second. Ty and his son are good people. Ty is going quite fast in his first year of racing with RMVR. > Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:42:14 +0000 > From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > Greetings FoT > > I would like to nominate Tyler Thompson to the ranks. He races the # 413 TR-4 with the RMVR and is already proving to be > > quite quick. Tyler and his son are also doing a ground-up resto on a TR-4 street car. Tyler would like to join us at Topeka > > in August. > > > > Do I have a second ? > > > > Jim G > > > > > tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From dave at microworks.net Wed May 26 09:57:14 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:57:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question Message-ID: <1050676CE457467EBD2362E560D5CF09@sys> I'm wondering if the heavy duty ramps I have for my open trailer are too heavy duty (and just plain heavy) What weight rating should be sufficient for loading a TR3 (or other smaller car/sedan) From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed May 26 11:18:52 2010 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 10:18:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question References: <1050676CE457467EBD2362E560D5CF09@sys> Message-ID: <43D9141DF7D6443A8019F772DFFB96B7@Charly> Funny thing you should ask. I use fir 2X12's 8' long to load my TR6. You just need to take care of them. And look for splits and keep them painted. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Riddle" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:57 AM Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question > I'm wondering if the heavy duty ramps I have for my open trailer are too > heavy duty (and just plain heavy) > > > > What weight rating should be sufficient for loading a TR3 (or other > smaller > car/sedan) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 26 12:16:31 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:16:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: <43D9141DF7D6443A8019F772DFFB96B7@Charly> References: <1050676CE457467EBD2362E560D5CF09@sys> <43D9141DF7D6443A8019F772DFFB96B7@Charly> Message-ID: <8CCCB16B34251D5-17A0-1550@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Funny thing you should ask. I have a set that came with my new trailer. They are heavy and overbuilt. I am going to go back to the fabricator and have a pair made to my requirements. At the end of the day, I am not excited about wrestling around ramps that will support a Bobcat or Forklift. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Charly Mitchel To: Dave Riddle ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 12:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question Funny thing you should ask. I use fir 2X12's 8' long to load my TR6. You just need to take care of them. And look for splits and keep them painted. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed May 26 13:03:10 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 12:03:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: <1050676CE457467EBD2362E560D5CF09@sys> Message-ID: <8110B2796E8C419F96B9BF237BDB139D@TOSHIBALAPTOP> I've got a friend who has some really neat lightweight trailer ramps. They're made out of some sort of reinforced foam. He uses them to put a 914 into a toy hauler type trailer. A quick google search for foam trailer ramps shows that they're called "Race Ramps" and are available from Summit for a bit over $300. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Riddle Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:57 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question I'm wondering if the heavy duty ramps I have for my open trailer are too heavy duty (and just plain heavy) What weight rating should be sufficient for loading a TR3 (or other smaller car/sedan) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed May 26 16:19:17 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:19:17 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question Message-ID: <15347775.1274912357773.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Some of the guys out here use wooden planks from bleachers to load up their cars. I remember getting many slivers as a kid because it was my job to slide the wooden ramps out of the trailer and into position. Now I have aluminum ramps that were custom made and instead of splinters, I get greasy hands because my car leaks onto them. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Dave Riddle >Sent: May 26, 2010 8:57 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question > >I'm wondering if the heavy duty ramps I have for my open trailer are too >heavy duty (and just plain heavy) > > > >What weight rating should be sufficient for loading a TR3 (or other smaller >car/sedan) >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed May 26 18:53:16 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 18:53:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: <8110B2796E8C419F96B9BF237BDB139D@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <1050676CE457467EBD2362E560D5CF09@sys> <8110B2796E8C419F96B9BF237BDB139D@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: Dambach ramps makes either flat or cambered 5' aluminum ramps for 70.00 each. They are rated for 1250 each I've been using them and they are great and super light. I carry them both in one hand. Here's the link http://www.dambachramps.com/sc ripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=3 236 Good luck Jim G -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team .net] On Behalf Of Norlin Engineering Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:03 PM To: 'Dave Riddle'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question I've got a friend who has some really neat lightweight trailer ramps. They're made out of some sort of reinforced foam. He uses them to put a 914 into a toy hauler type trailer. A quick google search for foam trailer ramps shows that they're called "Race Ramps" and are available from Summit for a bit over $300. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team .net] On Behalf Of Dave Riddle Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:57 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question I'm wondering if the heavy duty ramps I have for my open trailer are too heavy duty (and just plain heavy) What weight rating should be sufficient for loading a TR3 (or other smaller car/sedan) ______________________________ _________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htm l Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ options/fot/norlinengineering@ comcast.net ______________________________ _________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htm l Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ options/fot/toodamnfunky at comca st.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed May 26 19:54:54 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 01:54:54 GMT Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll Message-ID: <20100526.215454.7232.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> I am using Performace Friction pads up front in the 01 compound. They are long lasting (few years at least), easy on the rotors and great stopping power. Not sure what configurations they have for TR calipers, since I am using Jag calipers. Used Porterfield R4 before I coverted to Jag calipers. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 20:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Greetings FoT I'm just taking a poll of what brake pads & shoes are being used. I have been using the Porterfield vintage compound on the front because of exceptional initial bite. Unfortunately the last two times I raced the car on freshly turned rotors with new pads I end up cooking the pads & rotorsB in a single weekend. I'm not ready to throw Porterfield under the proverbial busB but so far I'm not seeing anything in the front end or calipers that would cause the problem. Both times the rotors scored up pretty bad all the way across. The pads have a gap at the outboard edge of the pads ( top )B and snug at the inboard side. The smell of cooked brakes is present and blue rings toward the inboard edges of the rotors. Chunks of pad missing, pads glazed. The rears have performed great, no problems. I had to use the brakes so hard over the 15th & 16th I still have a prononced limp, no joke. I do have Uncle Jack's spindles and have a real good pedal, no fade or kickback. Thanks for the input, Jim G. ____________________________________________________________ PennyStocks Soaring 600% Sign up for FREE email alerts on stocks that jump 600% and more! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bfdd107c813e1076f2st06duc From mark at bradakis.com Wed May 26 20:02:43 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 20:02:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nominations Message-ID: <4BFDD2C3.1020402@bradakis.com> Okay, NOW I think I have added all the recent nominees. As a reminder remember that to add an email address to the list, I need the email address. Rocket surgery, I know. On a vaguely related note I was digging through piles of papers on my desk and uncovered a cache of Team.Net checks from the 2002 fund drive. Gee, think I should cash them? I try to be more prompt in my business matters these days, but stuff happens. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Wed May 26 20:08:02 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 20:08:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll In-Reply-To: <20100526.215454.7232.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> References: <20100526.215454.7232.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <4BFDD402.1000003@bradakis.com> I was using Ted's kevlar brakes on Killer the last year I raced. They worked quite well for the roughly 20 minute, 20 mile sessions we ran at IVR. But with the motor chewing up a bearing and me losing my job I didn't get a chance to see how well they lasted for a season. mjb. From list at mackenzie.aero Wed May 26 20:09:18 2010 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 21:09:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts - Part 2 Message-ID: <002b01cafd41$9db77cf0$d92676d0$@aero> Thanks to everybody for the advice I received today. I pulled the gearbox earlier today and the clutch and flywheel fell on to the floor. Never a good sign. The four flywheel retaining bolts and the pin in the crankshaft have sheared off flush with the end of the crank. I think I should be able to extract the broken bolts out but I could use some recommendations on how to remove the broken pin. Is it just pressed in place? Robert From spitlist at cox.net Wed May 26 20:19:26 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 19:19:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts - Part 2 In-Reply-To: <002b01cafd41$9db77cf0$d92676d0$@aero> References: <002b01cafd41$9db77cf0$d92676d0$@aero> Message-ID: I'd just drill it out and press in a new one. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 7:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts - Part 2 Thanks to everybody for the advice I received today. I pulled the gearbox earlier today and the clutch and flywheel fell on to the floor. Never a good sign. The four flywheel retaining bolts and the pin in the crankshaft have sheared off flush with the end of the crank. I think I should be able to extract the broken bolts out but I could use some recommendations on how to remove the broken pin. Is it just pressed in place? Robert _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From list at mackenzie.aero Wed May 26 20:25:01 2010 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 21:25:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts - Part 2.1 Message-ID: <003001cafd43$cfca7ab0$6f5f7010$@aero> Posted a photo on the FOT Facebook page if you want to see what I am dealing with. From cwnfot at gmail.com Wed May 26 21:32:16 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 23:32:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Anyone remember Timothy Baker, Spitfire racer Message-ID: <003f01cafd4d$35161830$9f424890$@com> I came across an ex-racer today, Timothy Baker, who drove an early Mk4 Spitfire (car built 1969). He raced until around 1980 I think. More details and items of interest to follow. Anyone remember him from the old days? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Thu May 27 06:04:02 2010 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 05:04:02 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts - Part 2 Message-ID: <12267165.1274961842779.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi Robert, what I have seen is when the flywheel comes loose it vibrates and shears the bolts and pin. You should always use loctite and torque them to spec. Chances are your flywheel is bad from the vibration. I have Alloy flywheels for the Spitfires if you need one. thanks Joe -----Original Message----- >From: Robert MacKenzie >Sent: May 26, 2010 7:09 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts - Part 2 > >Thanks to everybody for the advice I received today. >I pulled the gearbox earlier today and the clutch and flywheel fell on to >the floor. Never a good sign. >The four flywheel retaining bolts and the pin in the crankshaft have sheared >off flush with the end of > the crank. >I think I should be able to extract the broken bolts out but I could use >some recommendations on how to remove the broken pin. >Is it just pressed in place? > >Robert >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsiam1 at earthlink.net > > Chequered Flag Racing .net Joseph P. Siam 9833 Deering Ave unit I Chatsworth Ca 91311 818 350 6222 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu May 27 08:03:16 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: <70e4a.14474f21.392fd274@aol.com> Message-ID: <1666848375.1634511274968996527.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> That's 1250 per ramp . That's 2500 combined, only 1/2 the car weight is on the ramps at any given moment. My car weighs in at aboutB # 2400. I have a 3100 lb corvette that I wouldn't think twice about loading with them. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:49:40 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In a message dated 05/26/2010 8:14:29 PM Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: Dambach ramps makes either flat or cambered 5' aluminum ramps for 70.00 each. They are rated for 1250 each I've been using them and they are great and super light. I carry them both in one hand. While I like everything else about them, I read that as 1,250 pounds total load capacity (625 pounds each).B That'd be too light for my race cars. Bill Dentinger Dambach ramps makes either flat or cambered 5' aluminum ramps for 70.00 each. They are rated for 1250 each I've been using them and they are great and super light. I carry them both in one hand. While I like everything else about them, I read that as 1,250 pounds total load capacity (625 pounds each).B That'd be too light for my race cars. Bill Dentinger From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 27 08:12:06 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 16:12:06 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: <1666848375.1634511274968996527.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <70e4a.14474f21.392fd274@aol.com> <1666848375.1634511274968996527.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000701cafda6$97de09b0$c79a1d10$@com> Why not taking a wooden plank? I use that from time to time and lend it from another driver if he is around. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Mai 2010 16:03 An: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot Betreff: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question That's 1250 per ramp . That's 2500 combined, only 1/2 the car weight is on the ramps at any given moment. My car weighs in at aboutB # 2400. I have a 3100 lb corvette that I wouldn't think twice about loading with them. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:49:40 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In a message dated 05/26/2010 8:14:29 PM Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: Dambach ramps makes either flat or cambered 5' aluminum ramps for 70.00 each. They are rated for 1250 each I've been using them and they are great and super light. I carry them both in one hand. While I like everything else about them, I read that as 1,250 pounds total load capacity (625 pounds each).B That'd be too light for my race cars. Bill Dentinger Dambach ramps makes either flat or cambered 5' aluminum ramps for 70.00 each. They are rated for 1250 each I've been using them and they are great and super light. I carry them both in one hand. While I like everything else about them, I read that as 1,250 pounds total load capacity (625 pounds each).B That'd be too light for my race cars. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tedtsimx at bright.net Thu May 27 10:33:35 2010 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:33:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll In-Reply-To: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4BFE9EDF.9090008@bright.net> We supply Kevlar or carbon Kevlar pads. The carbon Kevlar has a ceramic heat shield built into the pads between the back of the friction material and the steel backing plate.Reduces heat transfer to the caliper. Kevlar shoes as well Both materials are a drum/rotor friendly compound that does not need to be warmed up. Commercially, Ted toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Greetings FoT > > > > I'm just taking a poll of what brake pads & shoes are being used. I have been > > using the Porterfield vintage compound on the front because of exceptional > > initial bite. Unfortunately the last two times I raced the car on freshly > turned > > rotors with new pads I end up cooking the pads & rotorsB in a single weekend. > > I'm not ready to throw Porterfield under the proverbial busB but so far I'm > not seeing > > anything in the front end or calipers that would cause the problem. > > Both times the rotors scored up pretty bad all the way across. > > The pads have a gap at the outboard edge of the pads ( top )B and snug at the > inboard side. > > The smell of cooked brakes is present and blue rings toward the inboard edges > > of the rotors. Chunks of pad missing, pads glazed. The rears have performed > great, > > no problems. I had to use the brakes so hard over the 15th & 16th I still have > a prononced limp, > > no joke. I do have Uncle Jack's spindles and have a real good pedal, no fade > or kickback. > > > > Thanks for the input, > > Jim G. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx at bright.net > > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu May 27 10:38:42 2010 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:38:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: <8CCCB16B34251D5-17A0-1550@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> References: <1050676CE457467EBD2362E560D5CF09@sys>, <43D9141DF7D6443A8019F772DFFB96B7@Charly>, <8CCCB16B34251D5-17A0-1550@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: My previous trailer had ramps that took two men and a boy to move around. I mounted two casters to a piece of c-channel and would pin it to the end of the ramp. I could then pull the ramp out and wheel it around to to end of the trailer, pop off the caster arrangement and drive the car up. My ramps on that trailer stored in through the side not the back so it made it much easier. Marty > To: charly at mitchelplumbing.com; dave at microworks.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:16:31 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question > > Funny thing you should ask. I have a set that came with my new trailer. They > are heavy and overbuilt. I am going to go back to the fabricator and have a > pair made to my requirements. At the end of the day, I am not excited about > wrestling around ramps that will support a Bobcat or Forklift. > > Joe A > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charly Mitchel > To: Dave Riddle ; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 12:18 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question > > > Funny thing you should ask. I use fir 2X12's 8' long to load my TR6. You just > need to take care of them. And look for splits and keep them painted. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu May 27 11:05:56 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:05:56 EDT Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question Message-ID: <8a167.2290f436.39300074@cs.com> When my ramps need wheels, I am going to retire.... :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- My previous trailer had ramps that took two men and a boy to move around. I mounted two casters to a piece of c-channel and would pin it to the end of the ramp. I could then pull the ramp out and wheel it around to to end of the trailer, pop off the caster arrangement and drive the car up. My ramps on that trailer stored in through the side not the back so it made it much easier. From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 27 11:29:58 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:29:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question References: <8a167.2290f436.39300074@cs.com> Message-ID: <8A4F50B8A325481EACA222DC0A52CCE4@Bud> that's kinda what I was thinkin'....My ramps are waaay too heavy, but it keeps me going to the gym..(:>). Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question > When my ramps need wheels, I am going to retire.... :-) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------- > > My previous trailer had ramps that took two men and a boy to move around. > I > mounted two casters to a piece of c-channel and would pin it to the end of > the > ramp. I could then pull the ramp out and wheel it around to to end of the > trailer, pop off the caster arrangement and drive the car up. My ramps on > that > trailer stored in through the side not the back so it made it much easier. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From rocky at spitfire4.com Thu May 27 12:27:26 2010 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:27:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question References: <70e4a.14474f21.392fd274@aol.com><1666848375.1634511274968996527.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <000701cafda6$97de09b0$c79a1d10$@com> Message-ID: The guy who homebuilt my trailer (originally for his MGB) did it with 4' wooden ramps. He designed a nice metal ramp-end that hooks into the end of the trailer, to which I can bolt (and replace as needed) the wooden ramps. Nowadays I've stretched them to 5' so the ramp is not as steep -- I buy a 10' 2x8 and cut it in half. I tried treated wood once but didn't like it because it was so heavy, so went back to regular pine. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question > Why not taking a wooden plank? > I use that from time to time and lend it from another driver if he is > around. > > Chris From BillDentin at aol.com Thu May 27 13:07:02 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 15:07:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question Message-ID: In a message dated 05/27/2010 9:03:18 AM Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: > That's 1250 per ramp. That's 2500 combined, only 1/2 the car weight is on > the ramps at any given moment. My car weighs in at about # 2400. I have a > 3100 lb corvette that I wouldn't think twice about loading with them. > Interesting. I revisited the website and see that while a pair of ramps is shown in the picture, the description is definitely for just one (-1-) and lists 1,250 lbs as the total weight. A pair of them would then rate 2,500 lbs and certainly handle my TR3. I also did not consider that with five foot ramps while only one set of wheels is on the ramps at any one time, they are not dealing with the car's total weight. Now I am using 2x12 white oak boards with aluminum ends. They are dressed, or finished so they're a lot closer to 1 1/2x11 in actual size and 8/4" long. They are heavy, but I can still manage them. My Pace American box trailer does not have a ramp door, but is quite low to the ground, and with 8'4'" ramps it is easy to push cars in. But I must say, those aluminum ramps look very interesting. The five foot length would impact the pitch. Do you use a winch to load? I have one, but I almost never use it, as it is a piece of cake for two people to load without. Bill Dentinger From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu May 27 14:20:13 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20059770.1786301274991613687.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Bill, I drive it on but I have other loading challenges that are more of a side issue. My frame to ground clearance is less than 3.5". On top of that I have a lame header ( for the time being ) that reduces that by another inch. So I have to raise the tounge and that sort of thing. Until I build my new header I use the ramps in conjunction with my trailer ramp. For the price you can't beat them with a stick and come sunday night that light weight makes life a bit easier. I shopped for ramps for a couple weeks before I found the Dumbachs. Everything else I found in aluminum was double the price I paid. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:07:02 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In a message dated 05/27/2010 9:03:18 AM Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: That's 1250 per ramp . That's 2500 combined, only 1/2 the car weight is on the ramps at any given moment. My car weighs in at about # 2400. I have a 3100 lb corvette that I wouldn't think twice about loading with them. Interesting.B I revisited the website and see that while a pair of ramps is shown in the picture, the description is definitely for just one (-1-) and lists 1,250 lbs as the total weight.B A pair of them would then rate 2,500 lbs and certainly handle my TR3.B I also did not consider that with five foot ramps while only one set of wheels is on the ramps at any one time, they are not dealing with the car's total weight.B Now I am using 2x12 white oak boards with aluminum ends.B They are dressed, or finished so they're a lot closer to 1 1/2x11 in actual size and 8/4" long.B They are heavy, but I can still manage them.B My Pace American box trailer does not have a ramp door, but is quite low to the ground, and with 8'4'" ramps it is easy to push cars in. But I must say, those aluminum ramps look very interesting.B The five foot length would impact the pitch.B Do you use a winch to load?B I have one, but I almost never use it, as it is a piece of cake for two people to load without. Bill Dentinger B B That's 1250 per ramp . That's 2500 combined, only 1/2 the car weight is on the ramps at any given moment. My car weighs in at about # 2400. I have a 3100 lb corvette that I wouldn't think twice about loading with them. Interesting.B I revisited the website and see that while a pair of ramps is shown in the picture, the description is definitely for just one (-1-) and lists 1,250 lbs as the total weight.B A pair of them would then rate 2,500 lbs and certainly handle my TR3.B I also did not consider that with five foot ramps while only one set of wheels is on the ramps at any one time, they are not dealing with the car's total weight.B Now I am using 2x12 white oak boards with aluminum ends.B They are dressed, or finished so they're a lot closer to 1 1/2x11 in actual size and 8/4" long.B They are heavy, but I can still manage them.B My Pace American box trailer does not have a ramp door, but is quite low to the ground, and with 8'4'" ramps it is easy to push cars in. But I must say, those aluminum ramps look very interesting.B The five foot length would impact the pitch.B Do you use a winch to load?B I have one, but I almost never use it, as it is a piece of cake for two people to load without. Bill Dentinger B B From cwnfot at gmail.com Thu May 27 15:11:27 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:11:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 Message-ID: <004201cafde1$2c9ee440$85dcacc0$@com> Just wondering if there will be a FOT presence at the Mosport vintage event June 18-19-20? I understand Bill Rampe will be there with Tony Fox crewing. I'll be there crewing for a 1951 MGTD. (search youtube for Frank Filangeri) http://www.varac.ca/pdfs/2010%20VARAC%20FEST%20ENTRY.pdf Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From andre at gt6.ca Thu May 27 15:16:28 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:16:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 In-Reply-To: <004201cafde1$2c9ee440$85dcacc0$@com> References: <004201cafde1$2c9ee440$85dcacc0$@com> Message-ID: Errr not really FOT worthy, but I'll be there :) A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 27 May 2010 17:11, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > Just wondering if there will be a FOT presence at the Mosport vintage event > June 18-19-20? > > I understand Bill Rampe will be there with Tony Fox crewing. > > I'll be there crewing for a 1951 MGTD. > > (search youtube for Frank Filangeri) > > http://www.varac.ca/pdfs/2010%20VARAC%20FEST%20ENTRY.pdf > > > > Clark > > Clark W. Nicholls > > 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) > > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu May 27 16:53:36 2010 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 18:53:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <967604.72871.qm@smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Worthy enough...you're a Triumph guy, vintage racing....that's enough for now. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: May 27, 2010 5:16 PM To: Clark W. Nicholls Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 Errr not really FOT worthy, but I'll be there :) A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 27 May 2010 17:11, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > Just wondering if there will be a FOT presence at the Mosport vintage event > June 18-19-20? > > I understand Bill Rampe will be there with Tony Fox crewing. > > I'll be there crewing for a 1951 MGTD. > > (search youtube for Frank Filangeri) > > http://www.varac.ca/pdfs/2010%20VARAC%20FEST%20ENTRY.pdf > > > > Clark > > Clark W. Nicholls > > 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) > > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu May 27 18:20:53 2010 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:20:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 References: <967604.72871.qm@smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I for one would like to return to Mosport another time. The FOT event there in 2003 (?) was a lot of fun and to be at such an historic track was a check off the bucket list. Yep it's very worthy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "macdonaldp" To: "'Andre Rousseau'" ; "'Clark W. Nicholls'" Cc: "'FoT Triumph'" Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 > Worthy enough...you're a Triumph guy, vintage racing....that's enough for > now. > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Andre Rousseau > Sent: May 27, 2010 5:16 PM > To: Clark W. Nicholls > Cc: FoT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 > > Errr not really FOT worthy, but I'll be there :) > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > > > On 27 May 2010 17:11, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >> Just wondering if there will be a FOT presence at the Mosport vintage > event >> June 18-19-20? >> >> I understand Bill Rampe will be there with Tony Fox crewing. >> >> I'll be there crewing for a 1951 MGTD. >> >> (search youtube for Frank Filangeri) >> >> http://www.varac.ca/pdfs/2010%20VARAC%20FEST%20ENTRY.pdf >> >> >> >> Clark >> >> Clark W. Nicholls >> >> 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) >> >> "Reality, it's not what you think." >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From andre at gt6.ca Thu May 27 19:00:58 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:00:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 In-Reply-To: References: <967604.72871.qm@smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Its the 50th anniversary for the track to boot. A. On 27 May 2010 20:20, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: > I for one would like to return to Mosport another time. The FOT event there > in 2003 (?) was a lot of fun and to be at such an historic track was a check > off the bucket list. Yep it's very worthy. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "macdonaldp" > To: "'Andre Rousseau'" ; "'Clark W. Nicholls'" > > Cc: "'FoT Triumph'" > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 > > >> Worthy enough...you're a Triumph guy, vintage racing....that's enough for >> now. >> >> Paul >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Andre Rousseau >> Sent: May 27, 2010 5:16 PM >> To: Clark W. Nicholls >> Cc: FoT Triumph >> Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 >> >> Errr not really FOT worthy, but I'll be there :) >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> >> >> >> On 27 May 2010 17:11, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >>> >>> Just wondering if there will be a FOT presence at the Mosport vintage >> >> event >>> >>> June 18-19-20? >>> >>> I understand Bill Rampe will be there with Tony Fox crewing. >>> >>> I'll be there crewing for a 1951 MGTD. >>> >>> (search youtube for Frank Filangeri) >>> >>> http://www.varac.ca/pdfs/2010%20VARAC%20FEST%20ENTRY.pdf >>> >>> >>> >>> Clark >>> >>> Clark W. Nicholls >>> >>> 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) >>> >>> "Reality, it's not what you think." >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com >> >> >> > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 27 19:41:41 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:41:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Message-ID: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> FOT list members: I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand all of the features and what they do. When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET BIRDMEN.' With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is difficult to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately highly regarded. So........ What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or another. Thanks! Joe A From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 27 19:49:50 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 18:49:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2D108A36A8EB49B18F58D70222A07562@Bud> Hi Joe...I don't know...I may also be 'unclued'...We need help/advice from the..FOT Youngsters. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:41 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > FOT list members: > > I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand > all > of the features and what they do. > > When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and > largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET > BIRDMEN.' > > With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is > difficult > to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately > highly > regarded. > > So........ > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > > I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or > another. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 27 20:01:15 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:01:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <2D108A36A8EB49B18F58D70222A07562@Bud> References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <2D108A36A8EB49B18F58D70222A07562@Bud> Message-ID: <8CCCC20CA2DC4DB-17C-50D7@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> I like the FB postings and pictures. It is another dimension of communication I enjoyed looking at yours tonight. But how do I know you are an FOT? (of course I do) rhetorical question. Or does it matter? thanks! -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD To: fot at autox.team.net; n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 8:49 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Hi Joe...I don't know...I may also be 'unclued'...We need help/advice from the..FOT Youngsters. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:41 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > FOT list members: > > I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand > all > of the features and what they do. > > When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and > largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET > BIRDMEN.' > > With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is > difficult > to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately > highly > regarded. > > So........ > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > > I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or > another. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From dave at microworks.net Thu May 27 20:02:25 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:02:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <2D108A36A8EB49B18F58D70222A07562@Bud> References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <2D108A36A8EB49B18F58D70222A07562@Bud> Message-ID: <2DD7C8B34D344CAC99F26A9BDD4BB76E@sys> Welll... Since I created the group I guess I'll answer. Being an invite List only kept it low key for sure, but the website certainly would have increased exposure. Having a "portal" on FB allows members to share videos and photos. Those items are stripped for good reason from list messages and would be a bit much to ask of Mordy to add on an ongoing basis to the website. Plus you can always "share" other members pixs of the toys with your other FB friends. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:50 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; n197tr4 at cs.com Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Hi Joe...I don't know...I may also be 'unclued'...We need help/advice from the..FOT Youngsters. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:41 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > FOT list members: > > I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand > all > of the features and what they do. > > When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and > largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET > BIRDMEN.' > > With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is > difficult > to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately > highly > regarded. > > So........ > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > > I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or > another. > > Thanks! > > Joe A From mlcooknj at msn.com Thu May 27 20:04:18 2010 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:04:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I suggest that FOT members read the latest issue of TIME magazine which has an article exposng some of the less desirable aspects of Facebook. I personally do not want to be in volved with Facebook in any way. Mike Cook > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:41:41 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > FOT list members: > > I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand all > of the features and what they do. > > When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and > largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET BIRDMEN.' > > With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is difficult > to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately highly > regarded. > > So........ > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > > I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or > another. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From dave at microworks.net Thu May 27 20:27:03 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:27:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5BA433D1A0234FE2BDACA64382BBF0C4@sys> This is funny considering that Time has a presence on FB http://www.facebook.com/time Here is an article that Time did last year on FB. Note the title of the Article. "Why Facebook Is for Old Fogies" http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1879169,00.html Since Time (printed on dead trees) like most other legacy media is a day late and a dollar short here is actually their "latest" info re: FB that they "published" today and not last week. http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/05/27/times-qa-with-facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerbe rg/ Here is the article from Time on Dead Tree that Michael was referring too http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1990582,00.html Note this quote from the article: "...Facebook represents a tremendous cultural shift, particularly since 28% of the site's users are older than 34, Facebook's fastest-growing demographic..." Any new technology has pluses and minuses. Paying your bills on-line is not without risk. I'll keep do that as long as I take normal precautions. For anyone that posts on FB (or does anything on the Internet) if you think what you are doing is private and that noone will see it than you are sadly mistaken. Anything I put up, be it on FB or my own personal site http://www.davesdroppings.com Imust anticipate that it could come back to me in the future. As long as you are comfortable with that you can live part of your live on-line. If you're not then don't. Choice is a great option. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael cook Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:04 PM To: Joe Alexander; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? I suggest that FOT members read the latest issue of TIME magazine which has an article exposng some of the less desirable aspects of Facebook. I personally do not want to be in volved with Facebook in any way. Mike Cook > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:41:41 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > FOT list members: > > I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand all > of the features and what they do. > > When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and > largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET BIRDMEN.' > > With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is difficult > to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately highly > regarded. > > So........ > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > > I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or > another. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dave at microworks.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 27 20:53:52 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:53:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. Message-ID: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> I do dumb stuff sometimes....of course. A couple of weeks ago I started to prepare the TR3A for an oil change. Today, I carefully replaced the filter and filter body. Thinking I had already drained the pan, I poured 6 quarts of oil in the engine and checked the dipstick. Nope, that cant be right. The oil is dirty looking and reads high on the dipstick. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ I did something like this about 40 years ago with a Bugeye Sprite. Only this time I drained the oil and forgot to replace the drain plug. It took about four quart pour for that brand new oil to spread out to my shoes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- I doubt if BRITISH PETROLEUM would be very excited about my problems. From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 27 20:54:52 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:54:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <5BA433D1A0234FE2BDACA64382BBF0C4@sys> Message-ID: <8E197705FBCB48B68B5DD1406E37F306@Bud> I've been tryin' to get someone to steal my identity for years..(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Riddle" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > This is funny considering that Time has a presence on FB > > http://www.facebook.com/time > > Here is an article that Time did last year on FB. Note the title of the > Article. "Why Facebook Is for Old Fogies" > > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1879169,00.html > > Since Time (printed on dead trees) like most other legacy media is a day > late and a dollar short here is actually their "latest" info re: FB that > they "published" today and not last week. > > http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/05/27/times-qa-with-facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerbe > rg/ > > Here is the article from Time on Dead Tree that Michael was referring too > > http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1990582,00.html > > Note this quote from the article: "...Facebook represents a tremendous > cultural shift, particularly since 28% of the site's users are older than > 34, Facebook's fastest-growing demographic..." > > Any new technology has pluses and minuses. Paying your bills on-line is > not > without risk. I'll keep do that as long as I take normal precautions. > For > anyone that posts on FB (or does anything on the Internet) if you think > what > you are doing is private and that noone will see it than you are sadly > mistaken. Anything I put up, be it on FB or my own personal site > http://www.davesdroppings.com Imust anticipate that it could come back to > me > in the future. As long as you are comfortable with that you can live part > of your live on-line. If you're not then don't. Choice is a great > option. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of michael cook > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:04 PM > To: Joe Alexander; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > I suggest that FOT members read the latest issue of TIME magazine which > has > an > article exposng some of the less desirable aspects of Facebook. I > personally > do not want to be in volved with Facebook in any way. > > > > Mike Cook > >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:41:41 -0400 >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? >> >> FOT list members: >> >> I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand > all >> of the features and what they do. >> >> When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key >> and >> largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET > BIRDMEN.' >> >> With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is > difficult >> to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately > highly >> regarded. >> >> So........ >> >> What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? >> >> I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or >> another. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dave at microworks.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 27 20:56:18 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:56:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. References: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6B675031F0214429B17FEAAEAB70B6A1@Bud> Good job for havn' a great sense of Humor!! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:53 PM Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. >I do dumb stuff sometimes....of course. > > A couple of weeks ago I started to prepare the TR3A for an oil change. > > Today, I carefully replaced the filter and filter body. > > Thinking I had already drained the pan, I poured 6 quarts of oil in the > engine > and checked the dipstick. > > Nope, that cant be right. The oil is dirty looking and reads high on the > dipstick. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > I did something like this about 40 years ago with a Bugeye Sprite. > > Only this time I drained the oil and forgot to replace the drain plug. > > It took about four quart pour for that brand new oil to spread out to my > shoes. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > I doubt if BRITISH PETROLEUM would be very excited about my problems. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 27 21:07:42 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:07:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <8E197705FBCB48B68B5DD1406E37F306@Bud> References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <5BA433D1A0234FE2BDACA64382BBF0C4@sys> <8E197705FBCB48B68B5DD1406E37F306@Bud> Message-ID: <4BFF337E.5000309@bradakis.com> RACER BUD wrote: > I've been tryin' to get someone to steal my identity for years..(:>) Having been for the most part out of work for four and a half years, anyone who tries to hijack my credit rating deserves what they get! mjb. From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Thu May 27 21:19:28 2010 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <8E197705FBCB48B68B5DD1406E37F306@Bud> Message-ID: <660388.9451.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've been tryin' to get someone to steal my identity for years..(:>) Racer Bud anyone wants mine, theyre welcome to it also ... ;>))) Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Thu, 5/27/10, RACER BUD wrote: From: RACER BUD Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? To: "Dave Riddle" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 9:54 PM I've been tryin' to get someone to steal my identity for years..(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Riddle" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 27 21:30:42 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:30:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: References: <1050676CE457467EBD2362E560D5CF09@sys>, <43D9141DF7D6443A8019F772DFFB96B7@Charly>, <8CCCB16B34251D5-17A0-1550@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4BFF38E2.6060504@bradakis.com> I've got a custom built trailer for Spitfires that uses no ramps, it tilts. On many occasions I've climbed into the cockpit, fired it up and started to back down the trailer only to have someone rush up telling me to stop, I forgot the ramps. It is often quite humorous to watch their expression as I move the car back a few more inches and the tilt the trailer bed down. mjb. From kaskas at cox.net Thu May 27 21:29:44 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:29:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100527232944.K2MZA.549137.imail@fed1rmwml29> You have got my vote on that. ---- michael cook wrote: ============= I suggest that FOT members read the latest issue of TIME magazine which has an article exposng some of the less desirable aspects of Facebook. I personally do not want to be in volved with Facebook in any way. Mike Cook > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:41:41 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > FOT list members: > > I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand all > of the features and what they do. > > When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and > largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET BIRDMEN.' > > With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is difficult > to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately highly > regarded. > > So........ > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > > I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or > another. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 27 21:36:18 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:36:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. In-Reply-To: <6B675031F0214429B17FEAAEAB70B6A1@Bud> References: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <6B675031F0214429B17FEAAEAB70B6A1@Bud> Message-ID: <4BFF3A32.4080007@bradakis.com> >> Thinking I had already drained the pan, I poured 6 quarts of oil in >> the engine >> and checked the dipstick. >> >> Nope, that cant be right. The oil is dirty looking and reads high on the >> dipstick. Have you considered a career at JiffyLube? mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 27 21:39:21 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:39:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <660388.9451.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <684707198B4F45AE9B96BE8068B0B293@Bud> I'm not putting down Facebook or afraid of it.....I was just makin' a joke....I'm Happy to Embrace New Technology...I still like side curtained cars more than those with roll up windows, ..I also realize that without technology there would be no FOT....HAVE NO FEAR GANG....TAKE THE INSIDE LINE!....Wooohoo!..RB ----- Original Message ----- From: tom strange To: Dave Riddle ; fot at autox.team.net ; RACER BUD Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? I've been tryin' to get someone to steal my identity for years..(:>) Racer Bud anyone wants mine, theyre welcome to it also ... ;>))) Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Thu, 5/27/10, RACER BUD wrote: From: RACER BUD Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? To: "Dave Riddle" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 9:54 PM I've been tryin' to get someone to steal my identity for years..(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Riddle" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 27 21:42:50 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:42:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Seeya Gang Message-ID: <76A1B811C0404BC99ED48A4F34DB40EA@Bud> I'm hittin' the old Racer Bud Rack..Good Night Gang! RB From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 27 21:49:11 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:49:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Seeya Gang In-Reply-To: <76A1B811C0404BC99ED48A4F34DB40EA@Bud> References: <76A1B811C0404BC99ED48A4F34DB40EA@Bud> Message-ID: <4BFF3D37.8090607@bradakis.com> RACER BUD wrote: > I'm hittin' the old Racer Bud Rack..Good Night Gang! > Don't fall asleep with your face in a book. mjb. From gasket.works at gte.net Thu May 27 21:45:31 2010 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 03:45:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Message-ID: <1928869229-1275018329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-811164547-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> My opinion is that facebook although perhaps well intentioned has a darker side that is not entirely clear to me. This networked and interconnected program is something I have joined very reluctantly but, in a limited way. ------Original Message------ From: n197tr4 at cs.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Sent: May 27, 2010 6:41 PM FOT list members: I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand all of the features and what they do. When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET BIRDMEN.' With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is difficult to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately highly regarded. So........ What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or another. Thanks! Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From dave at microworks.net Thu May 27 22:02:27 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:02:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <1928869229-1275018329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-811164547-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1928869229-1275018329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-811164547-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: The world is indeed getting evermore interconnected. FB is "fun" if you treat it that way. Reconnecting with old real friends from High School and College Fraternity Brothers, etc.. I don't get nor do I want to get the on-line games that are available. I had mentioned I was amazed at the number of FOT that were on FB based on the data that can be gleaned from on-line services like LinkedIn and FB that show up automatically in the add-in I use with Outlook. FYI: up to 53 on the FB Group now Watch this video of the app to see what I mean http://www.xobni.com/learnmore/ With as interconnected and how easy it is to find this data anymore I would love to learn how difficult it is now to create cover stories or hide info for our operatives. Back in the day this was not something I had to worry about. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 8:46 PM To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? My opinion is that facebook although perhaps well intentioned has a darker side that is not entirely clear to me. This networked and interconnected program is something I have joined very reluctantly but, in a limited way. From billb at bnj.com Thu May 27 22:46:04 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:46:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <5BA433D1A0234FE2BDACA64382BBF0C4@sys> References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <5BA433D1A0234FE2BDACA64382BBF0C4@sys> Message-ID: <079DFF7A-24FC-4DCC-8A85-770A66FE1DBA@bnj.com> Very funny Dave, and very true. All of the new media is what you make of it. If you put things online that you don't want people to see, then you're a bit foolish. When we interview someone for a job the first thing we do is take a look at their online personality--wherever it's posted. And many people put themselves all over the web, not just facebook. Honestly, magazines are for Doctors offices. I can hardly believe that newspapers still exist. One look at the Popular Science application, the NPR app, or the Financial times app on an ipad and it's easy to see where magazines are headed. On May 27, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Dave Riddle wrote: > This is funny considering that Time has a presence on FB > > http://www.facebook.com/time From billb at bnj.com Thu May 27 23:12:37 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:12:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <1928869229-1275018329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-811164547-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1928869229-1275018329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-811164547-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Just like duct tape and "the force". All of the new ways we communicate have a dark side. So did the old ones. I have a hard time understanding people not wanting to participate in new technologies, it seems like an early withdrawal from new experiences. I'm not dead yet. I've been playing with all these toys since they started. If facebook were a country it would be the fourth largest in the world. A very high end recruiter I know told me that every senior level position he or his company placed in the last two years involved contacts made through LinkedIn. The easiest way to coordinate any event--from meeting for lunch to rioting--is twitter. Grayson Chance's youtube video of his sixth grade talent festival has 22 million views. A recording company signed him to head him off from promoting his music by himself. He's certainly worth a few million this evening. In the sixth grade. New world folks. Honestly, fretting about Facebook is pretty 2008. On May 27, 2010, at 8:45 PM, gasket.works at gte.net wrote: > My opinion is that facebook although perhaps well intentioned has a darker side that is not entirely clear to me. This networked and interconnected program is something I have joined very reluctantly but, in a limited way. From henry at henryfrye.com Fri May 28 06:36:45 2010 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 08:36:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050567BB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> I yearn for the days when the FOT flew so far under the radar that the people who found out about us actually fit the criteria to belong. The FOT has morphed into something far from it's roots. That's what happens when there are no rules. Do I like it? No. Do I miss what we once had, a forum where real Triumph racers really discussed issues pertinent to the sport? Sure I do. I know I am not alone here, every race I attend this subject comes up in conversation. Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction back towards our roots? Obviously not. Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction the majority of current FOT want? I can't say. I don't know who the current FOT are. I just hope the newbies in the sport are getting the support I got when I was starting out. The relationships I have made here over the years have made a huge difference to my racing success. I just don't see that level of support these days. Hopefully the support is happening offline. The resources we have available here are vast, and from what I have read over the past couple years, virtually untapped. -----Original Message----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? From jhd11 at hotmail.com Fri May 28 07:37:52 2010 From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 13:37:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I am a FOT list newbie but have always been a FOT having owned a TR6 since 1974 and been around SCCA and racing just as long. I use facebook sparingly and mainly because I wanted to see what my 16 year old daughter was up to! I appreciate being a member of this list and have already been able to use the experience of the group to help in our TR6 race car build! I don't think a facebook presence will deter from what FOT is. It can be used by those of us that want to to share photos and maintain additional contact and not used by others with little or no impact to the group. It depends on us and how we use it! Joe Downer Charlotte, N.C. > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:41:41 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > FOT list members: > > I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand all > of the features and what they do. > > When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and > largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET BIRDMEN.' > > With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is difficult > to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately highly > regarded. > > So........ > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > > I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or > another. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhd11 at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 From wensley_tr at comcast.net Fri May 28 07:54:13 2010 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:54:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: References: <1928869229-1275018329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-811164547-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <003201cafe6d$41d1f690$c575e3b0$@net> Soon we will add Skype with video calls, so we can work out problems with the cars (Hmm) Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Riddle Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 12:02 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? The world is indeed getting evermore interconnected. FB is "fun" if you treat it that way. Reconnecting with old real friends from High School and College Fraternity Brothers, etc.. I don't get nor do I want to get the on-line games that are available. I had mentioned I was amazed at the number of FOT that were on FB based on the data that can be gleaned from on-line services like LinkedIn and FB that show up automatically in the add-in I use with Outlook. FYI: up to 53 on the FB Group now Watch this video of the app to see what I mean http://www.xobni.com/learnmore/ With as interconnected and how easy it is to find this data anymore I would love to learn how difficult it is now to create cover stories or hide info for our operatives. Back in the day this was not something I had to worry about. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 8:46 PM To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? My opinion is that facebook although perhaps well intentioned has a darker side that is not entirely clear to me. This networked and interconnected program is something I have joined very reluctantly but, in a limited way. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From gasket.works at verizon.net Fri May 28 08:06:00 2010 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:06:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <1928869229-1275018329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-811164547-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <001401cafe6e$e76c42d0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Bill: Good comments and progressive thinking. All these social medias have some merit. Interestingly, my cousin put my name on a list called GENI (geneology repository) where all family members are listed, with Mothers maiden name, contact information, and more.... What was he thinking? He was so naive in thinking that this program would remind family of Birthdates, Deaths, Wedding anneversaries, and all dates sacred. I have told my sons to be extrordinarily careful on the facebook as it could come back to bite them in ways they did not intend. Precisely for the reasons you mentioned. i.e. job interviews. We have a professional life and a private life. Looking into someones personna by way of this surrogate is not entirely accurate and can paint an image that may not be what you want the interviewer to see. I can give many examples. I sometimes think of facebook as a powerful magnet and ideal mecca for exhibitionists and voyerism. Personality traits that many people need - precisely why it is so enticing and addictive. Like I said I joined reluctantly... Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > Just like duct tape and "the force". All of the new ways we communicate > have a dark side. So did the old ones. I have a hard time understanding > people not wanting to participate in new technologies, it seems like an > early withdrawal from new experiences. I'm not dead yet. I've been > playing with all these toys since they started. If facebook were a country > it would be the fourth largest in the world. A very high end recruiter I > know told me that every senior level position he or his company placed in > the last two years involved contacts made through LinkedIn. The easiest > way to coordinate any event--from meeting for lunch to rioting--is > twitter. Grayson Chance's youtube video of his sixth grade talent > festival has 22 million views. A recording company signed him to head him > off from promoting his music by himself. He's certainly worth a few > million this evening. In the sixth grade. > > New world folks. Honestly, fretting about Facebook is pretty 2008. > > > On May 27, 2010, at 8:45 PM, gasket.works at gte.net wrote: > >> My opinion is that facebook although perhaps well intentioned has a >> darker side that is not entirely clear to me. This networked and >> interconnected program is something I have joined very reluctantly but, >> in a limited way. From billb at bnj.com Fri May 28 08:11:07 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:11:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <81F324B6-FD94-4D38-8245-C3E34D43B046@bnj.com> What he said. I don't think anyone is going to move the conversation to facebook. Mark has built fine and sophisticated forum systems and offered them to us over the years. Few takers. The FOT email list with all it's restrictions is perfect for what we do. Adding a facebook group enables us to easily share pictures and video. There are other tools to do that, but facebook brings them all into one place with a single simple interface. The FOT facebook presence can be as private as the list. Or not. My previous tirade was not about FOT, but about being nervous about new technologies and social tools. It's all in how you use them. On May 28, 2010, at 6:37 AM, Joe Henry wrote: > I am a FOT list newbie but have always been a FOT having owned a TR6 since > 1974 and been around SCCA and racing just as long. I use facebook sparingly > and mainly because I wanted to see what my 16 year old daughter was up to! I > appreciate being a member of this list and have already been able to use the > experience of the group to help in our TR6 race car build! I don't think a > facebook presence will deter from what FOT is. It can be used by those of us > that want to to share photos and maintain additional contact and not used by > others with little or no impact to the group. It depends on us and how we use > it! > > Joe Downer > Charlotte, N.C. From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri May 28 08:12:31 2010 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. In-Reply-To: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <98344.56392.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Joe: I did that many years ago on my Kubota tractor. I blame it on interuptions since I was much too young to suffer from oldtimers disease. It amazed me how much oil could go into that diesel tractor engine! And nothing ever grew in that spot as long as we were living there! -Ed- --- On Thu, 5/27/10, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: From: n197tr4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 9:53 PM I do dumb stuff sometimes....of course. A couple of weeks ago I started to prepare the TR3A for an oil change. Today, I carefully replaced the filter and filter body. Thinking I had already drained the pan, I poured 6 quarts of oil in the engine and checked the dipstick. Nope, that cant be right. The oil is dirty looking and reads high on the dipstick. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ I did something like this about 40 years ago with a Bugeye Sprite. Only this time I drained the oil and forgot to replace the drain plug. It took about four quart pour for that brand new oil to spread out to my shoes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- I doubt if BRITISH PETROLEUM would be very excited about my problems. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From billb at bnj.com Fri May 28 08:23:00 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:23:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. In-Reply-To: <98344.56392.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <98344.56392.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1EA61DE5-1E13-4BD4-9798-160B68AEC025@bnj.com> As the poster boy for ADD, I considered it my duty to have done every possible combination of screwing up an oil change, from not draining the oil before adding, to leaving the drain plug out, to leaving the oil filter off, to forgetting to replace the oil filter, to forgetting to drain the oil before dropping the pan. My crowning glory was forgetting to put the oil pan back on after a fevered in the paddock piston/cylinder replacement. Two quarts, straight to the tarmac. From BillDentin at aol.com Fri May 28 08:41:06 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:41:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. Message-ID: In a message dated 05/28/2010 9:24:19 AM Central Daylight Time, billb at bnj.com writes: > As the poster boy for ADD, I considered it my duty to have done every > possible > combination of screwing up an oil change, from not draining the oil before > adding, to leaving the drain plug out, to leaving the oil filter off, to > forgetting to replace the oil filter, to forgetting to drain the oil > before > dropping the pan. My crowning glory was forgetting to put the oil pan back > on > after a fevered in the paddock piston/cylinder replacement. Two quarts, > straight to the tarmac. > Amici... No oil changing stories, but I once came close to pouring antifreeze into cylinder head oil filler. Mike Belfer stopped me in time. In a non-auto related story similar...I am fourteen inches taller than my wife, and at least twice her weight. Hence, when we dance, I have no one to talk to. We should have sold the movie rights to our doing projects together, like hanging drywall on a ceiling. It would have paid for my racing career. But that didn't stop us from doing stuff together. The 'oil changing sagas' reminds me of when we would work together to fix a clogged kitchen sink. Me on the ground, head and shoulders into the cupboard below the sink, Shirley standing by to fetch and pass tools as necessary (I don't get up and down real good). I'd get the drain plug out. Drain the sink into a bucket. Pass the bucket to Shirley. I don't have to tell you that she poured it back in the sink. During the surprise shower, I'd find new energy for getting up quickly. Then I'd try to critique each of our efforts...but it's tough to do when she won't stop laughing. Bill (Damdinger) From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Fri May 28 08:50:14 2010 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:50:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. In-Reply-To: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: > I do dumb stuff sometimes....of course. Once, changing the oil on a Cessna 172, for some reason I safetied the oil filter to the oil temperature probe. Did you know that safety wire glows when connected across 12VDC? Anon From adams910 at gmail.com Fri May 28 09:12:51 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:12:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <81F324B6-FD94-4D38-8245-C3E34D43B046@bnj.com> References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <81F324B6-FD94-4D38-8245-C3E34D43B046@bnj.com> Message-ID: I'm a little late to the party, but Bill Babcock is right on the money. If you dont want certain information / photos on Facebook, then simply dont put it up. With as many people using it now, the odds of someone stealing my identity are pretty slim. Ive been using Facebook since it was only for people with .edu email addresses, and have never had problems or have known anyone with any problems this is going on 5 years now. Just make sure you set your profile so only friends can see it, never post your full birthdate, don't use your full legal name, and never post a profile picture that is a mugshot of yourself. Don't bother with any of the applications/games.. that's what advertising agencies use to mine your information. As far as my generation is concerned, without Facebook, youre pretty much left out of the loop. Guerrilla / word of mouth advertising has moved to Facebook and Twitter. Local take out, bars, the underground music scene, etc all use it to their advantage and ease of use. I don't think people even bother with flyers and print advertisement for those establishments anymore. As far as the list is concerned, what is there left to talk about? It doesn't seem like there are many people looking to develop their cars, and if you look at the results, lap times for most have stagnated over the last 5 years. For those just starting out and probably 85% of the other racers, they don't even need to join the list, as all the information is available for public viewing in the archives. Lastly Having your inbox clogged with messages talking about Facebook doesn't really help keep members either... My .02 From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri May 28 09:27:02 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:27:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Message-ID: <107de.5873475b.39313ac6@cs.com> Bob, While I likely wasnt plain enough, my question was about the differences between the use of public forum vs. private on Facebook. Not about the use of Facebook in general. That original question has not been discussed yet. But perhaps it is not improtant. Joe A > I'm a little late to the party, but Bill Babcock is right on the money. If > you dont want certain information / photos on Facebook, then simply dont > put it up. With as many people using it now, the odds of someone stealing > my > identity are pretty slim. Ive been using Facebook since it was only for > people with .edu email addresses, and have never had problems or have known > anyone with any problems this is going on 5 years now. Just make sure you > set your profile so only friends can see it, never post your full > birthdate, > don't use your full legal name, and never post a profile picture that is a > mugshot of yourself. Don't bother with any of the applications/games.. > that's what advertising agencies use to mine your information. > > > As far as my generation is concerned, without Facebook, youre pretty much > left out of the loop. Guerrilla / word of mouth advertising has moved to > Facebook and Twitter. Local take out, bars, the underground music scene, > etc > all use it to their advantage and ease of use. I don't think people even > bother with flyers and print advertisement for those establishments > anymore. > > > > As far as the list is concerned, what is there left to talk about? It > doesn't seem like there are many people looking to develop their cars, and > if you look at the results, lap times for most have stagnated over the last > 5 years. For those just starting out and probably 85% of the other racers, > they don't even need to join the list, as all the information is available > for public viewing in the archives. Lastly Having your inbox clogged with > messages talking about Facebook doesn't really help keep members either... > > > My .02 > From adams910 at gmail.com Fri May 28 09:37:41 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:37:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <107de.5873475b.39313ac6@cs.com> References: <107de.5873475b.39313ac6@cs.com> Message-ID: I should probably read more than a couple messages before jumping in all gung-ho. I know for sure you can set a Facebook group to private, and I'm pretty sure you can also set it so people have to be "accepted" by the group's admin, but still be viewable to the Facebook "public", which is how the FOT is set up now. Some might like the exclusivity of a "private" group, but others might find it a turn off. New racers might find it a bit "intimidating" Bob From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri May 28 09:53:06 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:53:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <107de.5873475b.39313ac6@cs.com> Message-ID: Maybe Facebook can be part of the solution to the problem Henry discussed, and siphon off some of the social content that ends up on this list, leaving us with more focused threads that help us help each other while racing our Triumphs. There are a lot of forums all over the Internet. most off them very good, and I for one don't have time to keep up with them all. As for the Triumph racing community I'd love to see permanent stuff located on the Fot-racing site, social stuff posted on Facebook and this list do what it does. FB is a great place to share photos and video's, and it would be cool if people added content after a race weekend. I'm still learning how to fine tune it, but I can choose what and who I want to see my stuff and what I want to look at. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 10:27 AM Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > Bob, > > While I likely wasnt plain enough, my question was about the differences > between the use of public forum vs. private on Facebook. > > Not about the use of Facebook in general. > > That original question has not been discussed yet. > > But perhaps it is not improtant. From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Fri May 28 09:55:24 2010 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 08:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <901535.10813.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I don't know how intimidating Facebook or other social media are to anyone; I for one have enough to do without following something like Facebook. My $0.02 worth. Ernie --- On Fri, 5/28/10, Bob Adams wrote: From: Bob Adams Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 10:37 AM I should probably read more than a couple messages before jumping in all gung-ho. I know for sure you can set a Facebook group to private, and I'm pretty sure you can also set it so people have to be "accepted" by the group's admin, but still be viewable to the Facebook "public", which is how the FOT is set up now. Some might like the exclusivity of a "private" group, but others might find it a turn off. New racers might find it a bit "intimidating" Bob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Fri May 28 10:08:29 2010 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (jaxonracing at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:08:29 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <901535.10813.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <901535.10813.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Fb is easy to navigate and can be utilized in many ways. I think it is a great idea for sharing video and photos however someone has to be the administrator and manage all the content or rely on members to link to the FOT FB page which is fine too. It is a great resource and would keep the content on list more focused hopefully. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Husmann Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 08:55:24 To: ; Bob Adams Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? I don't know how intimidating Facebook or other social media are to anyone; I for one have enough to do without following something like Facebook. My $0.02 worth. Ernie --- On Fri, 5/28/10, Bob Adams wrote: From: Bob Adams Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 10:37 AM I should probably read more than a couple messages before jumping in all gung-ho. I know for sure you can set a Facebook group to private, and I'm pretty sure you can also set it so people have to be "accepted" by the group's admin, but still be viewable to the Facebook "public", which is how the FOT is set up now. Some might like the exclusivity of a "private" group, but others might find it a turn off. New racers might find it a bit "intimidating" Bob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaxonracing at yahoo.com From tlizzard at msn.com Fri May 28 10:22:42 2010 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 12:22:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050567BB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> References: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050567BB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: What is this "facebook" of which you speak? To put a not too fine point on this, I will refer to the old motto of Brooklands... "The right crowd and no crowding". But then, I'm an old fashioned kind of guy. Terry Stetler. ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Frye To: n197tr4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? I yearn for the days when the FOT flew so far under the radar that the people who found out about us actually fit the criteria to belong. The FOT has morphed into something far from it's roots. That's what happens when there are no rules. Do I like it? No. Do I miss what we once had, a forum where real Triumph racers really discussed issues pertinent to the sport? Sure I do. I know I am not alone here, every race I attend this subject comes up in conversation. Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction back towards our roots? Obviously not. Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction the majority of current FOT want? I can't say. I don't know who the current FOT are. I just hope the newbies in the sport are getting the support I got when I was starting out. The relationships I have made here over the years have made a huge difference to my racing success. I just don't see that level of support these days. Hopefully the support is happening offline. The resources we have available here are vast, and from what I have read over the past couple years, virtually untapped. -----Original Message----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard at msn.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Emoticon3.gif] From tpettenati at yahoo.com Fri May 28 10:51:55 2010 From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question Message-ID: <314835.75410.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> All this talk of trailer ramps and then I spot the Harbor Freight Memorial Day sale flyer. Hey those ramps look just like mine and I know the the PO couldn't pass on cheap barely adequate crap. So I found the specs and they are rated at 1000 lbs per pair total. Sounds a bit under spec. for a car that I'm guessing is about 1400+ lbs. After a bit of measuring - The ramps are 6 ft. long and the Spit wheelbase is slightly longer. I only have a pair of wheels on the ramps at any time while loading and unloading. So far they worked fine for a dozen or more cycles. If you are looking for the cheap adequate solution and have a short wheelbase, go find the HFreight coupon for $39.99. Tim From dave at microworks.net Fri May 28 11:14:48 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:14:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: <314835.75410.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <314835.75410.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <93D560CF85554548854FEE21284E62C9@sys> Thanks! I was at harbor freight two days ago looking at them and the folding set too. Glad I did not buy them that day. Got the coupon and will pick them up today. http://www.harborfreight.com/memorial-day-sale From riverside at southslope.net Fri May 28 12:17:03 2010 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 13:17:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. References: <98344.56392.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1EA61DE5-1E13-4BD4-9798-160B68AEC025@bnj.com> Message-ID: <004201cafe91$f9d613b0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Got ya beat: once removed the front end of the starter on a '57 Plymouth 6 banger thinking it was the oil filter!!! The fact i was 17 at the time is NOT a defense of this stupidity. art de armond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "EDWARD BARNARD" Cc: ; Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. > As the poster boy for ADD, I considered it my duty to have done every > possible > combination of screwing up an oil change, from not draining the oil before > adding, to leaving the drain plug out, to leaving the oil filter off, to > forgetting to replace the oil filter, to forgetting to drain the oil > before > dropping the pan. My crowning glory was forgetting to put the oil pan back > on > after a fevered in the paddock piston/cylinder replacement. Two quarts, > straight to the tarmac. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Fri May 28 13:02:20 2010 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 15:02:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. References: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <010501cafe98$4d2eb070$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Kind of like the time when I was about 16 and was going to impress my dad with my mechanical ability. I drained the oil in his Chevy pickup, replaced the filter element, and started pouring in the fresh oil. You guessed it; I'd forgotten to replace the drain plug. The sound of fresh oil hitting the drain pan had me scurrying to replace the plug. He wasn't impressed! Although over the next 30 years or so I did make up for it by repairing many of his tractors, trucks, and other equipment. I guess I made up for the lost quart or so of oil. Happy Decoration Day, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. > I do dumb stuff sometimes....of course. > > A couple of weeks ago I started to prepare the TR3A for an oil change. > > Today, I carefully replaced the filter and filter body. > > Thinking I had already drained the pan, I poured 6 quarts of oil in the engine > and checked the dipstick. > > Nope, that cant be right. The oil is dirty looking and reads high on the > dipstick. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > ------ > I did something like this about 40 years ago with a Bugeye Sprite. > > Only this time I drained the oil and forgot to replace the drain plug. > > It took about four quart pour for that brand new oil to spread out to my > shoes. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > --------- > > I doubt if BRITISH PETROLEUM would be very excited about my problems. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin3 at verizon.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri May 28 13:04:58 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:04:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 with H6 starting problem Message-ID: <000001cafe98$aba56db0$02f04910$@com> I need some suggestions on a hard starting problem. The car is a TR4 with SU H6 carbs. I have the Kastner G3 cam and the RB needles in the carbs as recommended by Kas. The car used to start and idle pretty good. Then I had the very worn throttle shafts replaced in winter 2008-2009. Last summer at Blackhawk we experienced hard starting due to flooding when starting. It starts right up but idles at about 1000 -1500 RPM and the engine wont rev up until the extra fuel gets run out. This takes about 30 seconds with the fuel pump off. During this time the EGTs are at about 600 indicating very rich. Once it gets cleaned out it idles good at 1500  2000 with the EGTs at 900 to 1000. I discovered I had the stock SM needles in the carbs, pushed all the way up in the pistons to give richer running. I replaced the SM needles with the correct RB needles and the car started pretty good in Sept. at Elkhart Lake. This year in May at Gingerman we started to have the hard starting problem again. Discovered another sinking float and replaced with a good one. We still had the starting problems where it starts but wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. We also had a bit of a stumble coming out of some of the faster corners. I replaced the needles and seats thinking it was loading up on some of the corners. The old needles and seats were all brass and showed some wear; the new ones from Moss have the viton tips. I still have the starting problem where it wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. I tried checking the fuel level in the jet with the pistons and needles out and it seems to be about = down from the top of the jet. With the needle in displacing some of the fuel Im guessing the level would be about at the top of the jet. Im not really sure what the best way is to check the fuel level in the jets. The floats were set with the SU tool, the oval shaped tube, and I have the 7/16 inch clearance specified, probably within a 32nd of an inch. Any suggestions of what to check or take a look at and try would be appreciated. The problem seems to have started when I had the throttle shafts redone, closing off the extra air getting into the carbs. The jets are both set to about 10 flats down from full up and the EGTs run around 1200 at WOT in 4th down the straights. I did notice after putting in the new needles and seats and turning on the fuel pump with the pistons and needles out that I got a pretty good slug of fuel shot up out of the jets until the floats came up to seal off the flow. Thanks, Tim & Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 From rjl6n at cstone.net Fri May 28 13:40:46 2010 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 15:40:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <901535.10813.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <901535.10813.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <94d4996a078285339cfe90b305dfe61e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Amen! I haven't joined Facebook for exactly that reason. I have too much else to do than to follow the "gossip channel". Just the thoughts of an old fogey, John On Fri, May 28, 2010 11:55 am, Ernest Husmann wrote: > I don't know how intimidating Facebook or other social media are to > anyone; I > for one have enough to do without following something like Facebook. > > My $0.02 worth. > > Ernie > > --- On Fri, 5/28/10, Bob Adams wrote: > > > From: Bob Adams > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > To: N197TR4 at cs.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 10:37 AM > > > I should probably read more than a couple messages before jumping in all > gung-ho. > > I know for sure you can set a Facebook group to private, and I'm pretty > sure > you can also set it so people have to be "accepted" by the group's admin, > but still be viewable to the Facebook "public", which is how the FOT is > set > up now. > > Some might like the exclusivity of a "private" group, but others might > find > it a turn off. New racers might find it a bit "intimidating" > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From pcdelux at verizon.net Fri May 28 14:28:51 2010 From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:28:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. References: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <6B675031F0214429B17FEAAEAB70B6A1@Bud> <4BFF3A32.4080007@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <007e01cafea4$63a43d00$2101a8c0@userge6zixcg5r> Hey Joe, I worked at a Pontiac dealer years ago. One day a new hire changed the oil on a Firebird. Next day it came back looking like a mosquito spray truck. Turns out the new guy thought you filled the oil all the way up to the fill hole. That was at least a 20 quart oil change. Bill DeWar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. >>> Thinking I had already drained the pan, I poured 6 quarts of oil in the >>> engine >>> and checked the dipstick. >>> >>> Nope, that cant be right. The oil is dirty looking and reads high on the >>> dipstick. > > > Have you considered a career at JiffyLube? > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux at verizon.net From herald948 at aol.com Fri May 28 14:33:36 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:33:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <94d4996a078285339cfe90b305dfe61e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> References: <901535.10813.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <94d4996a078285339cfe90b305dfe61e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Message-ID: <8CCCCBC2E910CAD-20EC-ACB@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com> Recently and very reluctantly, I'd been given some thought to joining Facebook solely because of the many entities -- and a few friends -- that seem to be doing so. My 18-year-old son (who knows me very well) suggested I not bother! He does pass along greetings and messages from some of my friends who spot him on Facebook and ask about me. ;) --Andy Mace (I spend too much time now on e-mail and Forums!) *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: rjl6n at cstone.net Amen! I haven't joined Facebook for exactly that reason. I have too much else to do than to follow the "gossip channel". From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Fri May 28 15:21:48 2010 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Off Topic - my 2010 Indy 500 quiz Message-ID: <494808.54741.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> This year will be my 31st consecutive Indy 500. For about the past 20 years I have been doing a quiz. since it is Indy weekend I thought some of you might enjoy it. I will send out the answers tomorrow. Mike Mehl [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of 2010 Mike Mehl Indy Quiz.pdf] From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Fri May 28 15:40:32 2010 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 17:40:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C003850.6000909@twcny.rr.com> For years in the '60s my mom drove my TR3 from Huntington Beach to LA (hour plus each way) to work the night shift as key punch operator at B of A. One morning bleary eyed she filled a hot motor up with water (yes she put it in the valve cover - to the top) and drove the rest of the way home! The car was unhappy, my dad was unhappy and it rolled into the garage to wait till I could drive. Finally, Dad swore it was going to the junk yard. Enter me - I threw a fit and told them I wanted it. It was mom's (technically) so she won and at 11 years old I became the proud owner of a 1957 TR3 I have known since I was 4. Cheers, M From budscars at comcast.net Fri May 28 15:46:32 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:46:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. References: <4C003850.6000909@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <59711F7D16374887ABCCF734341FC164@Bud> Mark..Have You changed the water? RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. > For years in the '60s my mom drove my TR3 from Huntington Beach to LA > (hour plus each way) to work the night shift as key punch operator at B of > A. One morning bleary eyed she filled a hot motor up with water (yes she > put it in the valve cover - to the top) and drove the rest of the way > home! The car was unhappy, my dad was unhappy and it rolled into the > garage to wait till I could drive. Finally, Dad swore it was going to the > junk yard. Enter me - I threw a fit and told them I wanted it. It was > mom's (technically) so she won and at 11 years old I became the proud > owner of a 1957 TR3 I have known since I was 4. > > Cheers, > > M > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From klynch_6 at msn.com Fri May 28 16:10:32 2010 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:10:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Clive Averill Message-ID: Amici: I just got a message that my longtime GT6 mentor (33 Silver) & friend Clive Averill, suffered a heart attack while on track with his daughter 'Ashley' during a Lapping Day @ High Plains Raceway. Ashley got Clive out of the car & proceeded with CPR until the track manager & EMTs' could get there. I spoke with her from the hospital & he's responding favorably. I know there's a few a few of you out there who have raced Clive @ Hallett etc. over the years. Pls. keep the good thoughts for him this weekend. Kev Lynch RMVR #6 A hero is no braver than an ordinary man, but he is braver five minutes longer. Ralph Waldo Emerson From jibjib at att.net Fri May 28 17:14:13 2010 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:14:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. In-Reply-To: <010501cafe98$4d2eb070$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <010501cafe98$4d2eb070$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <9342F66A4BF84CD8A1B26FAA1AF5502A@hpa1477c> I put the wrong filter on a car once. After starting it I heard a splashing sound when I walked around to look under, as I always do and found oil pouring out of my running engine. Unfortunately, this episode pales on comparison to a recent one. I change the oil on several cars at once, starting with an empty 5 gallon pail for the dirty oil. Yeah, you can see where this is going. As I finished car 3 or 4, the pail was getting pretty full and it was starting to rain. The car was on ramps, half into the court, so I gathered up my tools and everything except the dirty oil pail. Yeah, if you missed it before, you know now. I hopped in the car and got it off the ramps. As I turned the car, I caught the 5 gallon pail with the bumper, dumping it in the street. I sent my wife to the store for 100 pounds of kitty litter and called the fire department, as it is a toxic spill and we're quite green here in WA. The firemen were pretty happy with my containment, but I sure felt foolish. The neighbors, who have a distain for my excessive number of cars anyway and public wrenching, all legal with the HOA, were not pleased. I sure hope I never spill 4 gallons of dirty oil in the street again. Not fun. Jack From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. > I do dumb stuff sometimes....of course. > > A couple of weeks ago I started to prepare the TR3A for an oil change. > > Today, I carefully replaced the filter and filter body. > > Thinking I had already drained the pan, I poured 6 quarts of oil in the engine > and checked the dipstick. > > Nope, that cant be right. The oil is dirty looking and reads high on the > dipstick. From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri May 28 19:34:38 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 01:34:38 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR4 with H6 starting problem Message-ID: <20100528.213438.1992.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> When I first started my car up, after refreshing the engine, I had a similar problem where it was barely running at WOT and would stall at anything less then WOT. Thought at first that perhaps I had timing wrong? Turned off fuel pumps and it would clear and run fine for a while and then do the same thing after I turned the fuel back on. Changed the spark plugs and leaned the carbs out a little and all was good. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Tim Murphy" To: Cc: rpm724 at att.net, ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov Subject: [Fot] TR4 with H6 starting problem Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:04:58 -0500 I need some suggestions on a hard starting problem. The car is a TR4 with SU H6 carbs. I have the Kastner G3 cam and the RB needles in the carbs as recommended by Kas. The car used to start and idle pretty good. Then I had the very worn throttle shafts replaced in winter 2008-2009. Last summer at Blackhawk we experienced hard starting due to flooding when starting. It starts right up but idles at about 1000 -1500 RPM and the engine wont rev up until the extra fuel gets run out. This takes about 30 seconds with the fuel pump off. During this time the EGTs are at about 600 indicating very rich. Once it gets cleaned out it idles good at 1500  2000 with the EGTs at 900 to 1000. I discovered I had the stock SM needles in the carbs, pushed all the way up in the pistons to give richer running. I replaced the SM needles with the correct RB needles and the car started pretty good in Sept. at Elkhart Lake. This year in May at Gingerman we started to have the hard starting problem again. Discovered another sinking float and replaced with a good one. We still had the starting problems where it starts but wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. We also had a bit of a stumble coming out of some of the faster corners. I replaced the needles and seats thinking it was loading up on some of the corners. The old needles and seats were all brass and showed some wear; the new ones from Moss have the viton tips. I still have the starting problem where it wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. I tried checking the fuel level in the jet with the pistons and needles out and it seems to be about = down from the top of the jet. With the needle in displacing some of the fuel Im guessing the level would be about at the top of the jet. Im not really sure what the best way is to check the fuel level in the jets. The floats were set with the SU tool, the oval shaped tube, and I have the 7/16 inch clearance specified, probably within a 32nd of an inch. Any suggestions of what to check or take a look at and try would be appreciated. The problem seems to have started when I had the throttle shafts redone, closing off the extra air getting into the carbs. The jets are both set to about 10 flats down from full up and the EGTs run around 1200 at WOT in 4th down the straights. I did notice after putting in the new needles and seats and turning on the fuel pump with the pistons and needles out that I got a pretty good slug of fuel shot up out of the jets until the floats came up to seal off the flow. Thanks, Tim & Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c006f6f93bde158dc3st04duc From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri May 28 20:22:15 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 19:22:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 with H6 starting problem In-Reply-To: <000001cafe98$aba56db0$02f04910$@com> References: <000001cafe98$aba56db0$02f04910$@com> Message-ID: <70A8D80A-F1A0-4154-A3F3-D56144C54974@earthlink.net> Tim, I run H6 carbs on my TR3 with RB or RF needles (I don't remember!) I've rebuilt them a couple of times and haven't had any starting problems, except the usual - stick your open hand over one of the carbs to simulate a choke- trick. I set the jet a little differently, I turn the adjuster bolt until the jet is level, then turn it down 12 flats, safety wire it, and go two more flats. 14 flats from level. No troubles whatsoever. I assume all the choke gear has been removed from your carbs? ~Steve On May 28, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: I need some suggestions on a hard starting problem. The car is a TR4 with SU H6 carbs. I have the Kastner G3 cam and the RB needles in the carbs as recommended by Kas. The car used to start and idle pretty good. Then I had the very worn throttle shafts replaced in winter 2008-2009. Last summer at Blackhawk we experienced hard starting due to flooding when starting. It starts right up but idles at about 1000 -1500 RPM and the engine wont rev up until the extra fuel gets run out. This takes about 30 seconds with the fuel pump off. During this time the EGTs are at about 600 indicating very rich. Once it gets cleaned out it idles good at 1500  2000 with the EGTs at 900 to 1000. I discovered I had the stock SM needles in the carbs, pushed all the way up in the pistons to give richer running. I replaced the SM needles with the correct RB needles and the car started pretty good in Sept. at Elkhart Lake. This year in May at Gingerman we started to have the hard starting problem again. Discovered another sinking float and replaced with a good one. We still had the starting problems where it starts but wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. We also had a bit of a stumble coming out of some of the faster corners. I replaced the needles and seats thinking it was loading up on some of the corners. The old needles and seats were all brass and showed some wear; the new ones from Moss have the viton tips. I still have the starting problem where it wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. I tried checking the fuel level in the jet with the pistons and needles out and it seems to be about = down from the top of the jet. With the needle in displacing some of the fuel Im guessing the level would be about at the top of the jet. Im not really sure what the best way is to check the fuel level in the jets. The floats were set with the SU tool, the oval shaped tube, and I have the 7/16 inch clearance specified, probably within a 32nd of an inch. Any suggestions of what to check or take a look at and try would be appreciated. The problem seems to have started when I had the throttle shafts redone, closing off the extra air getting into the carbs. The jets are both set to about 10 flats down from full up and the EGTs run around 1200 at WOT in 4th down the straights. I did notice after putting in the new needles and seats and turning on the fuel pump with the pistons and needles out that I got a pretty good slug of fuel shot up out of the jets until the floats came up to seal off the flow. Thanks, Tim & Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri May 28 22:16:47 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 23:16:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 with H6 starting problem In-Reply-To: <70A8D80A-F1A0-4154-A3F3-D56144C54974@earthlink.net> References: <000001cafe98$aba56db0$02f04910$@com> <70A8D80A-F1A0-4154-A3F3-D56144C54974@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000d01cafee5$c2023190$460694b0$@com> Thanks for all of the suggestions. I'm going to try some of them tomorrow and see what happens. The good thing is that I can duplicate the problem without having to run the car hard and getting everything up to temperature. Just do a start, get it running good, let it sit for awhile and try another start. Wish all my problems were that consistent and easy to duplicate! Tim -----Original Message----- From: Steven Belfer [mailto:colordog.1 at earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 9:22 PM To: Tim Murphy Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 with H6 starting problem Tim, I run H6 carbs on my TR3 with RB or RF needles (I don't remember!) I've rebuilt them a couple of times and haven't had any starting problems, except the usual - stick your open hand over one of the carbs to simulate a choke- trick. I set the jet a little differently, I turn the adjuster bolt until the jet is level, then turn it down 12 flats, safety wire it, and go two more flats. 14 flats from level. No troubles whatsoever. I assume all the choke gear has been removed from your carbs? ~Steve On May 28, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: I need some suggestions on a hard starting problem. The car is a TR4 with SU H6 carbs. I have the Kastner G3 cam and the RB needles in the carbs as recommended by Kas. The car used to start and idle pretty good. Then I had the very worn throttle shafts replaced in winter 2008-2009. Last summer at Blackhawk we experienced hard starting due to flooding when starting. It starts right up but idles at about 1000 -1500 RPM and the engine wont rev up until the extra fuel gets run out. This takes about 30 seconds with the fuel pump off. During this time the EGTs are at about 600 indicating very rich. Once it gets cleaned out it idles good at 1500  2000 with the EGTs at 900 to 1000. I discovered I had the stock SM needles in the carbs, pushed all the way up in the pistons to give richer running. I replaced the SM needles with the correct RB needles and the car started pretty good in Sept. at Elkhart Lake. This year in May at Gingerman we started to have the hard starting problem again. Discovered another sinking float and replaced with a good one. We still had the starting problems where it starts but wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. We also had a bit of a stumble coming out of some of the faster corners. I replaced the needles and seats thinking it was loading up on some of the corners. The old needles and seats were all brass and showed some wear; the new ones from Moss have the viton tips. I still have the starting problem where it wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. I tried checking the fuel level in the jet with the pistons and needles out and it seems to be about = down from the top of the jet. With the needle in displacing some of the fuel Im guessing the level would be about at the top of the jet. Im not really sure what the best way is to check the fuel level in the jets. The floats were set with the SU tool, the oval shaped tube, and I have the 7/16 inch clearance specified, probably within a 32nd of an inch. Any suggestions of what to check or take a look at and try would be appreciated. The problem seems to have started when I had the throttle shafts redone, closing off the extra air getting into the carbs. The jets are both set to about 10 flats down from full up and the EGTs run around 1200 at WOT in 4th down the straights. I did notice after putting in the new needles and seats and turning on the fuel pump with the pistons and needles out that I got a pretty good slug of fuel shot up out of the jets until the floats came up to seal off the flow. Thanks, Tim & Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net Sat May 29 05:29:06 2010 From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (Chip Collingwood) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 07:29:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Message-ID: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> Henry, Well said . I would strongly agree with your perspective! This group is far from what it used to be and I miss the core group of real racers and discourse about real Triumph racing topics as well. The continued dilution of this venue by taking it to an even more public arena will virtually wipe out any semblance of its original sound, productive, and rewarding experience. Chip Collingwood EP TR6 Vintage Datsun 510 > [Original Message] > From: Henry Frye > To: ; > Date: 5/28/2010 8:39:46 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > I yearn for the days when the FOT flew so far under the radar that the > people who found out about us actually fit the criteria to belong. The > FOT has morphed into something far from it's roots. That's what happens > when there are no rules. > > Do I like it? No. > > Do I miss what we once had, a forum where real Triumph racers really > discussed issues pertinent to the sport? Sure I do. I know I am not > alone here, every race I attend this subject comes up in conversation. > > Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction back > towards our roots? Obviously not. > > Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction the > majority of current FOT want? I can't say. I don't know who the current > FOT are. > > I just hope the newbies in the sport are getting the support I got when > I was starting out. The relationships I have made here over the years > have made a huge difference to my racing success. I just don't see that > level of support these days. Hopefully the support is happening offline. > The resources we have available here are vast, and from what I have read > over the past couple years, virtually untapped. > > -----Original Message----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6racer21 at earthlink.net From mdporter at dfn.com Sat May 29 07:30:35 2010 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 07:30:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> References: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4C0116FB.9000404@dfn.com> Chip Collingwood wrote: > Henry, > > Well said . I would strongly agree with your perspective! This group is far > from what it used to be and I miss the core group of real racers and > discourse about real Triumph racing topics as well. The continued dilution > of this venue by taking it to an even more public arena will virtually wipe > out any semblance of its original sound, productive, and rewarding > experience. > > Ah, well, Facebook matters aside, I guess I should just fade into the background because I'm not a part of that "core group" of "real racers" like Mr. Collingwood. After all, even talk about "real Triumph racing topics" is just too expensive for a serf like me.... Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat May 29 07:47:07 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 08:47:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> <4C0116FB.9000404@dfn.com> Message-ID: <73EF01FF3B434D5BBF74D2AB9D596562@latitudefb1e41> I hope you had your tongue in your cheek when you wrote that. I can't recall you plugging up the list with off topic threads. I still think Facebook has a place. I'm going to put up some photes I have taken over the years that I couldn't share on the list. Let's get the social stuff handled on Facebook and those that want to talk car stuff, like you, can keep the list on topic. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Porter" To: Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > Chip Collingwood wrote: >> Henry, >> Well said . I would strongly agree with your perspective! This group is >> far >> from what it used to be and I miss the core group of real racers and >> discourse about real Triumph racing topics as well. The continued >> dilution >> of this venue by taking it to an even more public arena will virtually >> wipe >> out any semblance of its original sound, productive, and rewarding >> experience. >> >> > > Ah, well, Facebook matters aside, I guess I should just fade into the > background because I'm not a part of that "core group" of "real racers" > like Mr. Collingwood. > > > After all, even talk about "real Triumph racing topics" is just too > expensive for a serf like me.... > > > Cheers. > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking > distance.... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat May 29 08:07:12 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 09:07:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> <4C0116FB.9000404@dfn.com> <73EF01FF3B434D5BBF74D2AB9D596562@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <79258D37852E47829FFBA1D0793EFECF@latitudefb1e41> ....and I should have said that I do recall you adding valuable trchnical input that has helped me multiple times. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" To: "Michael Porter" ; Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? >I hope you had your tongue in your cheek when you wrote that. I can't >recall you plugging up the list with off topic threads. I still think >Facebook has a place. I'm going to put up some photes I have taken over the >years that I couldn't share on the list. Let's get the social stuff handled >on Facebook and those that want to talk car stuff, like you, can keep the >list on topic. > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Porter" > To: > Cc: ; > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > >> Chip Collingwood wrote: >>> Henry, >>> Well said . I would strongly agree with your perspective! This group is >>> far >>> from what it used to be and I miss the core group of real racers and >>> discourse about real Triumph racing topics as well. The continued >>> dilution >>> of this venue by taking it to an even more public arena will virtually >>> wipe >>> out any semblance of its original sound, productive, and rewarding >>> experience. >>> >>> >> >> Ah, well, Facebook matters aside, I guess I should just fade into the >> background because I'm not a part of that "core group" of "real racers" >> like Mr. Collingwood. >> >> >> After all, even talk about "real Triumph racing topics" is just too >> expensive for a serf like me.... >> >> >> Cheers. >> >> -- >> >> >> Michael Porter >> Roswell, NM >> >> >> Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >> distance.... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat May 29 08:24:34 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 08:24:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? What ? In-Reply-To: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> References: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9D0364A992834044859C900583A8BEE3@hal9000> What ? ! Hey CHIP Sorry to dilute your gene pool and I guess I have never been in the CORE group. As far as being a real racer....BS I'll see you at Heartland Park Jim Gray # 102 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team .net] On Behalf Of Chip Collingwood Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 5:29 AM To: Henry Frye; n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Henry, Well said . I would strongly agree with your perspective! This group is far from what it used to be and I miss the core group of real racers and discourse about real Triumph racing topics as well. The continued dilution of this venue by taking it to an even more public arena will virtually wipe out any semblance of its original sound, productive, and rewarding experience. Chip Collingwood EP TR6 Vintage Datsun 510 > [Original Message] > From: Henry Frye > To: ; > Date: 5/28/2010 8:39:46 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > I yearn for the days when the FOT flew so far under the radar that the > people who found out about us actually fit the criteria to belong. The > FOT has morphed into something far from it's roots. That's what happens > when there are no rules. > > Do I like it? No. > > Do I miss what we once had, a forum where real Triumph racers really > discussed issues pertinent to the sport? Sure I do. I know I am not > alone here, every race I attend this subject comes up in conversation. > > Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction back > towards our roots? Obviously not. > > Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction the > majority of current FOT want? I can't say. I don't know who the current > FOT are. > > I just hope the newbies in the sport are getting the support I got when > I was starting out. The relationships I have made here over the years > have made a huge difference to my racing success. I just don't see that > level of support these days. Hopefully the support is happening offline. > The resources we have available here are vast, and from what I have read > over the past couple years, virtually untapped. > > -----Original Message----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > ______________________________ _________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htm l > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ options/fot/tr6racer21 at earthli nk.net ______________________________ _________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htm l Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ options/fot/toodamnfunky at comca st.net From billb at bnj.com Sat May 29 08:44:46 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 07:44:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK In-Reply-To: <9D0364A992834044859C900583A8BEE3@hal9000> References: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> <9D0364A992834044859C900583A8BEE3@hal9000> Message-ID: <76159C87-8549-4B51-9D8B-35B0D57455B1@bnj.com> I think the decline in technical information stems from two things, first of all, we've all been talking about this stuff for years. So much so that if we had numbered the responses the answers to most questions would be something like "23, obviously". Second, Kas came out with his books. The first thing anyone should do who wants to race a triumph is get and read all of them, then do it again. As far as lap times stabilizing. Hmmm, not so much. Sure, now we're picking up tenths instead of seconds, but I'm not moving backwards yet, and since my reaction times are not improving and I haven't gotten any lighter I'm gonna have to say the reason is the car. From tpettenati at yahoo.com Sat May 29 09:44:26 2010 From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 08:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? Message-ID: <686491.16937.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yesterday I spotted two complete TR7's at the local wrecking yard. The yard is having their big half-price sale weekend. Anything I should be interested in for spares or improvements? Tim P. From mark at bradakis.com Sat May 29 10:02:22 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 10:02:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? In-Reply-To: <686491.16937.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <686491.16937.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C013A8E.6010602@bradakis.com> The wheels have the same bolt pattern, and I believe the spark plugs are interchangeable. mjb. From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sat May 29 10:30:11 2010 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 16:30:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? In-Reply-To: <4C013A8E.6010602@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <242774739.2623871275150611221.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> you can make a gearbox work or the gear clusters... aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 12:02:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? The wheels have the same bolt pattern, and I believe the spark plugs are interchangeable. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fpspitfire at comcast.net From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat May 29 10:38:54 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 09:38:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK In-Reply-To: <76159C87-8549-4B51-9D8B-35B0D57455B1@bnj.com> References: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> <9D0364A992834044859C900583A8BEE3@hal9000> <76159C87-8549-4B51-9D8B-35B0D57455B1@bnj.com> Message-ID: To Bill's points, I've searched the FOT archives for just about every aspect of the car from A to Z. You could search "Distributor," for example, and read every FOT post about that subject. The Archives are a super-valuable resource but it's more fun to hear from you guys today. ~Steve On May 29, 2010, at 7:44 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: I think the decline in technical information stems from two things, first of all, we've all been talking about this stuff for years. So much so that if we had numbered the responses the answers to most questions would be something like "23, obviously". Second, Kas came out with his books. The first thing anyone should do who wants to race a triumph is get and read all of them, then do it again. As far as lap times stabilizing. Hmmm, not so much. Sure, now we're picking up tenths instead of seconds, but I'm not moving backwards yet, and since my reaction times are not improving and I haven't gotten any lighter I'm gonna have to say the reason is the car. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From klynch_6 at msn.com Sat May 29 12:12:38 2010 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 12:12:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FB Message-ID: Ah, well, Facebook matters aside, I guess I should just fade into the background because I'm not a part of that "core group" of "real racers" like Mr. Collingwood. After all, even talk about "real Triumph racing topics" is just too expensive for a serf like me.... Well put Mr. Porter, Maybe this guy ascends then descends into his race suit unlike the rest of us who put em' on one leg atta' time ! Some people's kids... Kev Lynch 'Subprime' Vintage Racing From billbab at me.com Sat May 29 12:50:07 2010 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 11:50:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] That's odd References: <76159C87-8549-4B51-9D8B-35B0D57455B1@bnj.com> Message-ID: <8376D983-E941-4D5B-9543-D562F3D89C12@me.com> I sent one last paragraph on my last email, but it didn't show up. But hey guys, people say stuff in email all the time that doesn't come out at they intended. Cease the dogpile, eh? I do a much better job of pissing people off than that. Begin forwarded message: > From: Bill Babcock > Date: May 29, 2010 7:44:46 AM PDT > To: Triumph Friends of > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK > > I think the decline in technical information stems from two things, first of all, we've all been talking about this stuff for years. So much so that if we had numbered the responses the answers to most questions would be something like "23, obviously". > > Second, Kas came out with his books. The first thing anyone should do who wants to race a triumph is get and read all of them, then do it again. > > As far as lap times stabilizing. Hmmm, not so much. Sure, now we're picking up tenths instead of seconds, but I'm not moving backwards yet, and since my reaction times are not improving and I haven't gotten any lighter I'm gonna have to say the reason is the car. > > I suspect Chip wishes he could make some edits to his email, so believe me I'm not joining in on the mugging, but having just watched qualifying for the Turkish Grand Prix I know I'm not a real racer. We're all just having fun tossing wildly inappropriate cars around racetracks. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat May 29 13:01:17 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 14:01:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FB References: Message-ID: I think we all get frustrated with excessive emails sometimes and the FoT list does go a little crazy at times. I also get waaay too many useless emails from work, but I sift through them and the FoT list better than I do through MG's on a racetrack. I think Chip also said that he'd like the topics to be about Triumph racing, something that we all agree to but occasionally forget. That's why I'm in favor of the Facebook thing. Get alot of the social FoT stuff handled on that site, complete with video and pictures. I'm going to put more pictures from my files that I think other FoT might find interesting. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 1:12 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT on FB > Ah, well, Facebook matters aside, I guess I should just fade into the > background because I'm not a part of that "core group" of "real racers" > like Mr. Collingwood. > > After all, even talk about "real Triumph racing topics" is just too > expensive for a serf like me.... > > > Well put Mr. Porter, Maybe this guy ascends then descends into his race > suit > unlike the rest of us who put em' on one leg atta' time ! Some people's > kids... > > Kev Lynch > 'Subprime' Vintage Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat May 29 15:53:21 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 16:53:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll In-Reply-To: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryv ille.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20100529215232.9C72218763E@autox.team.net> Late addition - been out of town (looks like there's been some controversy on the list!) Carbotech, AX-6 compound is my favorite. No warmup required, great bite, great modulation, easy on the rotors. I also have had my rotors cryo treated, and somehow that seems to improve the life and deter warping. http://www.ctbrakes.com/ - Tony Drews At 03:05 PM 5/24/2010, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >Greetings FoT > > > >I'm just taking a poll of what brake pads & shoes are being used. I have been > >using the Porterfield vintage compound on the front because of exceptional > >initial bite. Unfortunately the last two times I raced the car on freshly >turned > >rotors with new pads I end up cooking the pads & rotorsB in a single weekend. > >I'm not ready to throw Porterfield under the proverbial busB but so far I'm >not seeing > >anything in the front end or calipers that would cause the problem. > >Both times the rotors scored up pretty bad all the way across. > >The pads have a gap at the outboard edge of the pads ( top )B and snug at the >inboard side. > >The smell of cooked brakes is present and blue rings toward the inboard edges > >of the rotors. Chunks of pad missing, pads glazed. The rears have performed >great, > >no problems. I had to use the brakes so hard over the 15th & 16th I still have >a prononced limp, > >no joke. I do have Uncle Jack's spindles and have a real good pedal, no fade >or kickback. > > > >Thanks for the input, > >Jim G. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat May 29 16:57:24 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 16:57:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: That's odd References: <8A0B438B-7248-42F1-9679-3B27AF2A6EF0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <70591008-78F1-497E-8E50-90407FEB417E@earthlink.net> +1 Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM > >> >> I do a much better job of pissing people off than that. >> >> >>> From: Bill Babcock From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Sat May 29 18:41:10 2010 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 10:41:10 +1000 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050567BB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> References: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050567BB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <135B591C3D8D4CEB87E6E85D9624712A@GEOFFPC> It would be great if all non Triumph racing stuff could be filtered out so our emails dont get bombed This is a great forum which streeches world wide and keeps true FOTs informed about what happening it put me in contact with fellow racers in USA who otherwise I would have known nothing about Geoff Byrne TR6 Down Under ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: ; Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? >I yearn for the days when the FOT flew so far under the radar that the > people who found out about us actually fit the criteria to belong. The > FOT has morphed into something far from it's roots. That's what happens > when there are no rules. > > Do I like it? No. > > Do I miss what we once had, a forum where real Triumph racers really > discussed issues pertinent to the sport? Sure I do. I know I am not > alone here, every race I attend this subject comes up in conversation. > > Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction back > towards our roots? Obviously not. > > Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction the > majority of current FOT want? I can't say. I don't know who the current > FOT are. > > I just hope the newbies in the sport are getting the support I got when > I was starting out. The relationships I have made here over the years > have made a huge difference to my racing success. I just don't see that > level of support these days. Hopefully the support is happening offline. > The resources we have available here are vast, and from what I have read > over the past couple years, virtually untapped. > > -----Original Message----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sat May 29 19:09:41 2010 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 18:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? In-Reply-To: <686491.16937.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <264649.27596.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tim: Lots of things fit from the 4 speed TR7 to the Spitwad. The rear brakes are a direct bolt on and are bigger l;ike the GT6. You also get auto adjust feature. The diff center will bolt on and give you a nice 3.63 ratio. The 4 speed can be used. And yes...the wheels and studs. The studs are very expensive if bought new. -Ed- --- On Sat, 5/29/10, Tim Pettenati wrote: From: Tim Pettenati Subject: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? To: "FoT Triumph" Date: Saturday, May 29, 2010, 10:44 AM Yesterday I spotted two complete TR7's at the local wrecking yard. The yard is having their big half-price sale weekend. Anything I should be interested in for spares or improvements? Tim P. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From budscars at comcast.net Sat May 29 19:22:37 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 18:22:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050567BB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> <135B591C3D8D4CEB87E6E85D9624712A@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: Thanks Geoff, et al...Our stuff should be available to EVERYONE...Remember Friends...This is about the'Preservation of the Marque'...and ..the Preservation of History..and ..The Preservation of us Old Racers.. Wooohoo! I Love you All... Racer Bud... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Byrne" To: "Henry Frye" ; ; Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > It would be great if all non Triumph racing stuff could be filtered out so > our emails dont get bombed > This is a great forum which streeches world wide and keeps true FOTs > informed about what happening > it put me in contact with fellow racers in USA who otherwise I would have > known nothing about > Geoff Byrne > TR6 Down Under > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Henry Frye" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 10:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > >>I yearn for the days when the FOT flew so far under the radar that the >> people who found out about us actually fit the criteria to belong. The >> FOT has morphed into something far from it's roots. That's what happens >> when there are no rules. >> >> Do I like it? No. >> >> Do I miss what we once had, a forum where real Triumph racers really >> discussed issues pertinent to the sport? Sure I do. I know I am not >> alone here, every race I attend this subject comes up in conversation. >> >> Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction back >> towards our roots? Obviously not. >> >> Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction the >> majority of current FOT want? I can't say. I don't know who the current >> FOT are. >> >> I just hope the newbies in the sport are getting the support I got when >> I was starting out. The relationships I have made here over the years >> have made a huge difference to my racing success. I just don't see that >> level of support these days. Hopefully the support is happening offline. >> The resources we have available here are vast, and from what I have read >> over the past couple years, virtually untapped. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? >> >> What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From harmug at us.ibm.com Sat May 29 19:41:17 2010 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 21:41:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Carb and Ignition questions Message-ID: Quiz time again. I have two problems with my son's street Spitfire, 72 MKIV. The first problem, really more of a validation I hope is related to the carbs. I removed the stock single Stromberg and replaced it with a pair of HS2 SUs.I was tweaking and balancing them, they were running rich. When I rev'd the motor up, I noticed a squirt of gas from a small hole, on the firewall side carb, just under the fuel inlet. I pulled the float and checked it's function, when the float was almost level, the valve would close and keep me from blowing through it. The front carb worked in a similar fashion. I never noticed the hole before, looks like it meant to be there, but is it , as I suspect, a vent hole for the fuel bowl, and not an over pressure relief port? I'm guessing that I just need new needle valves and/ or a float and I should be good to go. But before I order the parts and waste a week, is the stock fuel pump, designed for the Stromberg, too powerful for the SU floats? Should I be changing the stock pump for one from a duel carb model too? Question number two. The ballast resistor broke, don't know how but we had a problem starting and I found the ceramic rod and wire broken. I picked up a generic one at the local parts chain but I still have the problem, the car will only run on the start up circuit. As soon as I stop turning the starter over, the ignition dies (verified by timing light). I put a meter on the input to the resistor and with the key on, I have ~ 12.8V and 12.5V on the coil side. The resistor measures ~ 200 ohms. All the wires back to the ignition switch look good and ohm out clean, but the car won't run. Do I have a problem with the replacement resistor? I've used this type before on the race spit motor but I didn't want to start swapping parts from that, I have a dbl race next weekend. Could I have a bad connection somewhere, only good enough to show 12V potential but not pass enough current to fire the coil? Related to the debug of this problem, I changed points, set the gap and timed the motor. I also swapped coils with a spare. If I hot wire the starter circuit, jumper wire from the battery to the coil, the car will run forever. (this just got me thinking, I'll hot wire the feed into the resistor tomorrow and see what happens) I can't find a value for the ballast resistor, does anyone know what values (Ohms and voltage drop) I should be seeing? thanks in advance mike h. G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer From igofaster at att.net Sun May 30 07:15:52 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 06:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? In-Reply-To: <686491.16937.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <686491.16937.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <657179.64825.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I use a set of TR7 wheels powder coated for a set of rain tires on my GT6 racer... a desirable offset ... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Tim Pettenati To: FoT Triumph Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 10:44:26 AM Subject: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? Yesterday I spotted two complete TR7's at the local wrecking yard. The yard is having their big half-price sale weekend. Anything I should be interested in for spares or improvements? Tim P. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun May 30 08:09:23 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 16:09:23 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Carb and Ignition questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000b01cb0001$b7095300$251bf900$@com> For the resistor....you'll need a 1,5-2 Ohm power resistor.....for about 25-50Watt. 200 Ohm is way too much. The coils voltage should drop about 9 - 9.5V with resistor. Less than that would make the engine stall. I use a 1.5 Ohm resistor of this type: http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/421251/WIDERSTAND-DRAHT-25-W-5-1R5 And I have a spare with 100Watt. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von George Harmuth Gesendet: Sonntag, 30. Mai 2010 03:41 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Carb and Ignition questions Quiz time again. I have two problems with my son's street Spitfire, 72 MKIV. The first problem, really more of a validation I hope is related to the carbs. I removed the stock single Stromberg and replaced it with a pair of HS2 SUs.I was tweaking and balancing them, they were running rich. When I rev'd the motor up, I noticed a squirt of gas from a small hole, on the firewall side carb, just under the fuel inlet. I pulled the float and checked it's function, when the float was almost level, the valve would close and keep me from blowing through it. The front carb worked in a similar fashion. I never noticed the hole before, looks like it meant to be there, but is it , as I suspect, a vent hole for the fuel bowl, and not an over pressure relief port? I'm guessing that I just need new needle valves and/ or a float and I should be good to go. But before I order the parts and waste a week, is the stock fuel pump, designed for the Stromberg, too powerful for the SU floats? Should I be changing the stock pump for one from a duel carb model too? Question number two. The ballast resistor broke, don't know how but we had a problem starting and I found the ceramic rod and wire broken. I picked up a generic one at the local parts chain but I still have the problem, the car will only run on the start up circuit. As soon as I stop turning the starter over, the ignition dies (verified by timing light). I put a meter on the input to the resistor and with the key on, I have ~ 12.8V and 12.5V on the coil side. The resistor measures ~ 200 ohms. All the wires back to the ignition switch look good and ohm out clean, but the car won't run. Do I have a problem with the replacement resistor? I've used this type before on the race spit motor but I didn't want to start swapping parts from that, I have a dbl race next weekend. Could I have a bad connection somewhere, only good enough to show 12V potential but not pass enough current to fire the coil? Related to the debug of this problem, I changed points, set the gap and timed the motor. I also swapped coils with a spare. If I hot wire the starter circuit, jumper wire from the battery to the coil, the car will run forever. (this just got me thinking, I'll hot wire the feed into the resistor tomorrow and see what happens) I can't find a value for the ballast resistor, does anyone know what values (Ohms and voltage drop) I should be seeing? thanks in advance mike h. G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun May 30 09:16:12 2010 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 08:16:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? Message-ID: <4C02813C.60805@gmail.com> Below are two pictures sent to me by someone who just picked up what he thought was a TR2 low port cylinder head. What is really strange is that there is a raised flat surface between the second and third studs on the ports side. It looks as though it was intended to have something mounted on top of the head alongside the valve cover. Has anyone seen one of these heads before? Any idea what vehicle it was originally intended for? Could this be a Ferguson tractor head? Any help identifying this head would be appreciated. The new owner hopes to bolt it to an early TR2. Teriann From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun May 30 18:44:56 2010 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 17:44:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? In-Reply-To: <9BC50BCC86E446968473B8438E2E6873@hpa1477c> References: <4C02813C.60805@gmail.com> <9BC50BCC86E446968473B8438E2E6873@hpa1477c> Message-ID: <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> On 5/30/10 3:51 PM, Jack Brooks wrote: > TeriAnn, > > No pictures go through the list. > > Opps. Some of the email lists I belong to handle jpegs & some don't. I enclosed them without thinking. www.tjwakeman.net/TR/TR.images/TR2_head2.JPG www.tjwakeman.net/TR/TR.images/tr2_head1.JPG > Below are two pictures sent to me by someone who just picked up what he > thought was a TR2 low port cylinder head. > > What is really strange is that there is a raised flat surface between > the second and third studs on the ports side. It looks as though it was > intended to have something mounted on top of the head alongside the > valve cover. > > Has anyone seen one of these heads before? Any idea what vehicle it was > originally intended for? Could this be a Ferguson tractor head? Any > help identifying this head would be appreciated. The new owner hopes to > bolt it to an early TR2. > > Teriann From budscars at comcast.net Sun May 30 18:57:27 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 17:57:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? References: <4C02813C.60805@gmail.com><9BC50BCC86E446968473B8438E2E6873@hpa1477c> <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <84D4B15D3CEA40B490B3BB5714D21F53@Bud> Hi TeriAnn...it looks like TR4 to me. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? > On 5/30/10 3:51 PM, Jack Brooks wrote: >> TeriAnn, >> >> No pictures go through the list. >> >> > Opps. Some of the email lists I belong to handle jpegs & some don't. I > enclosed them without thinking. > > www.tjwakeman.net/TR/TR.images/TR2_head2.JPG > > www.tjwakeman.net/TR/TR.images/tr2_head1.JPG >> Below are two pictures sent to me by someone who just picked up what he >> thought was a TR2 low port cylinder head. >> >> What is really strange is that there is a raised flat surface between >> the second and third studs on the ports side. It looks as though it was >> intended to have something mounted on top of the head alongside the >> valve cover. >> >> Has anyone seen one of these heads before? Any idea what vehicle it was >> originally intended for? Could this be a Ferguson tractor head? Any >> help identifying this head would be appreciated. The new owner hopes to >> bolt it to an early TR2. >> >> Teriann > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From herald948 at aol.com Sun May 30 19:23:51 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 21:23:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? In-Reply-To: <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> References: <4C02813C.60805@gmail.com><9BC50BCC86E446968473B8438E2E6873@hpa1477c> <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CCCE770FFDD088-1E88-10EA2@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> My first thought is that it might be a Standard Vanguard head. Are there any stamped numbers on it? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun May 30 19:33:12 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 18:33:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? In-Reply-To: <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> References: <4C02813C.60805@gmail.com><9BC50BCC86E446968473B8438E2E6873@hpa1477c> <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <286601cb0061$3c1e0860$0301a8c0@randall> > > Has anyone seen one of these heads before? Any idea what > vehicle it was > > originally intended for? Could this be a Ferguson tractor > head? Seems reasonable to me. The holes for the head studs look smaller than a TR (the Fergie had 7/16" studs instead of 1/2") and the manifold studs are the wrong pattern. But I can't seem to find a photo of that side of a Fergie motor, so I'm just guessing. Randall From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun May 30 20:42:09 2010 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 19:42:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? In-Reply-To: <8CCCE770FFDD088-1E88-10EA2@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> References: <4C02813C.60805@gmail.com><9BC50BCC86E446968473B8438E2E6873@hpa1477c> <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> <8CCCE770FFDD088-1E88-10EA2@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C032201.7020805@gmail.com> On 5/30/10 6:23 PM, Andrew Mace wrote: > My first thought is that it might be a Standard Vanguard head. Are > there any stamped numbers on it? > > --Andy Mace 511151 Teriann From herald948 at aol.com Sun May 30 21:31:15 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 23:31:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? In-Reply-To: <4C032201.7020805@gmail.com> References: <4C02813C.60805@gmail.com><9BC50BCC86E446968473B8438E2E6873@hpa1477c> <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> <8CCCE770FFDD088-1E88-10EA2@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> <4C032201.7020805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CCCE88DC3391BB-1E88-1185F@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Well, I'm not finding a number like that in any of my Standard Vanguard SPC's. :( --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman To: Andrew Mace Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 10:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? On 5/30/10 6:23 PM, Andrew Mace wrote: My first thought is that it might be a Standard Vanguardhead. Are there any stamped numbers on it? --AndyMace 511151 Teriann From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat May 1 11:37:36 2010 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 13:37:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] sending unit question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDC66E0.7060605@twcny.rr.com> IMHO go to sears and buy an infrared temperature gun - make sure it has the laser pointer. They only get expensive if you have to read to 2000F. They are dirt cheap and once I purchased one I use it all the time. From soldering to welding to tire temperatures they are fantastic. I get my engines good and hot and benchmark (document) all the bearing surfaces temps e.g. water pump, alternator and a few other key places. When I hear something untoward, just go over it with the temp gun and it quickly identifies the issue. Great purchase - father's day coming... Cheers, M From mdhado at comcast.net Sun May 2 08:13:02 2010 From: mdhado at comcast.net (M&M Hado) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 09:13:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping Message-ID: I have an A-Type overdrive in a TR4 that is slipping under load. Classic problem, I know, but bear with me please. It started out as a standard rebuild on a unit that had only 300-350 psi and wouldn't hold. It is a single-spring accumulator type. The piston rings were broken and it was dirty and basically clapped out so I did a standard rebuild of both the OD and gearbox, replacing all wearing components in the overdrive including the large thrust ring bearing. When done, I got 420 psi on the bench and it would not hold at all in OD when installed and put on the road, slipping out at the slightest throttle increase. I had the pressure gage in place for the road test and the pressure was steady except for the usual temporary drop when engaged. I ruled out any electrical issues by powering the solenoid directly by hand with a jumper. I took it out of the car again for inspection and found nothing unusual. There is plenty of liner surface left so I cleaned the cone clutch thoroughly and roughed up the surface to remove any glazing. Since the slipping point is between the clutch outside liner and break ring, I set the brake ring on the bench and lowered the cone clutch slowly to mate them up and thought there was a less than even contact. In other words, the clutch looked like it could be slightly oval and therefore would have a two-point contact rather than circumferential contact all around. It seemed to wobble slightly instead of being a tight even fit. It was ever so slight and after several attempts, I wasn't even sure it was a problem. It's hard to measure the clutch and break ring diameters because of the tapered surfaces. I wish I had put in a lathe to check the runout. To make a long story even longer, I added a washer or two under the accumulator spring and put it back in the car. Now I have no less than 525 psi which should be more than enough. The overdrive now kicks in and holds at steady highway speeds but kicks down like an automatic transmission when slightly more throttle is applied. It's worse in second and third gears because of the higher torque. It has to come out again and my plan is to change out the clutch and brake ring since I don't know what else to focus on. Any other ideas or suggestions? Thanks, Mike From cartravel at pobox.com Sun May 2 13:11:36 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 14:11:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDDCE68.7030401@pobox.com> Mike, You say it "kicks out of overdrive" when you apply the throttle. Does it not go back into overdrive when you let off the throttle? This is what I would expect if you have a slipping brake lining. If it doesn't go back into overdrive wouldn't that indicate a leak? Larry M&M Hado wrote: From budscars at comcast.net Sun May 2 13:46:15 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 12:46:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping References: <4BDDCE68.7030401@pobox.com> Message-ID: <701641F1ACAD4A3C9469EE8F0D86FF44@Bud> Hi Larry...just for the heck of it check the relays on the top of tranny..see if any connectors are loose...make sure ground is tight... RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "M&M Hado" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping > Mike, > You say it "kicks out of overdrive" when you apply the throttle. Does it > not go back into overdrive when you let off the throttle? This is what > I would expect if you have a slipping brake lining. If it doesn't go > back into overdrive wouldn't that indicate a leak? Larry > > M&M Hado wrote: > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun May 2 16:13:22 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 15:13:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <020f01caea44$ae17ee00$0301a8c0@randall> > Any other ideas or suggestions? Sounds to me like something else is blocking the motion of the clutch cone. Perhaps the carrier is hitting the housing? Or the direct drive springs getting into coil bind (perhaps the long springs installed in the short position)? ISTR the thrust is taken by two big circlips that hold the thrust bearing in place ... perhaps one of the circlips is out of place or missing? Nelson even mentions that problem in his tech article (in the section on assembling the sliding clutch): http://www.buckeyetriumphs.org/technical/AOD/AOD3/AOD3.htm Randall From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sun May 2 17:26:35 2010 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 19:26:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping References: Message-ID: <83689C0945894D4D836B1BA971AAB289@elliott7455dae> Over on the right side there is a hole that you have to line up with a drill of a certain diameter. Recently, owners of TRs with "A" type overdrives have reported that if you move the lever arm a bit one way or the other that you can find a "sweet spot" where the problem disappears. The drill won't line up but the overdrive will not slip. Also you mentioned that the piston rings were broken. The early TR2s had overdrives with smaller pistons and steel rings in the piston grooves much like we all find in the pistons in the engine. Later, Laycock re-developed the overdrive with larger pistons (hence more pressure) and these larger pistons did not have piston rings - they came with o-rings. I have 325 psi oil pressure using Valvoline 20-W 30 Racing oil and while I have to let up for a millisecond when switching into 2nd overdrive only, the 325 psi oil pressure I measured is sufficient for the "A" type overdrive in my 1958 TR3A. Don Elliott, Original Owner, 1958 TR3A, Montreal -------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "M&M Hado" To: Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:13 AM Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping >I have an A-Type overdrive in a TR4 that is slipping under load. Classic > problem, I know, but bear with me please. It started out as a standard > rebuild on a unit that had only 300-350 psi and wouldn't hold. It is a > single-spring accumulator type. The piston rings were broken and it was > dirty and basically clapped out so I did a standard rebuild of both the OD > and gearbox, replacing all wearing components in the overdrive including > the > large thrust ring bearing. > > When done, I got 420 psi on the bench and it would not hold at all in OD > when installed and put on the road, slipping out at the slightest throttle > increase. I had the pressure gage in place for the road test and the > pressure was steady except for the usual temporary drop when engaged. I > ruled out any electrical issues by powering the solenoid directly by hand > with a jumper. > > I took it out of the car again for inspection and found nothing unusual. > There is plenty of liner surface left so I cleaned the cone clutch > thoroughly and roughed up the surface to remove any glazing. Since the > slipping point is between the clutch outside liner and break ring, I set > the > brake ring on the bench and lowered the cone clutch slowly to mate them up > and thought there was a less than even contact. In other words, the > clutch > looked like it could be slightly oval and therefore would have a two-point > contact rather than circumferential contact all around. It seemed to > wobble > slightly instead of being a tight even fit. It was ever so slight and > after > several attempts, I wasn't even sure it was a problem. It's hard to > measure > the clutch and break ring diameters because of the tapered surfaces. I > wish > I had put in a lathe to check the runout. > > To make a long story even longer, I added a washer or two under the > accumulator spring and put it back in the car. Now I have no less than > 525 > psi which should be more than enough. The overdrive now kicks in and > holds > at steady highway speeds but kicks down like an automatic transmission > when > slightly more throttle is applied. It's worse in second and third gears > because of the higher torque. It has to come out again and my plan is to > change out the clutch and brake ring since I don't know what else to focus > on. Any other ideas or suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca From fogbro1 at comcast.net Sun May 2 18:03:33 2010 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 20:03:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind References: <020f01caea44$ae17ee00$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <6F84EDE071144B1EBEA8B27FDFC073DB@Edscomputer> List, Some of the brand new spring sets are furnished with springs of equal length. I recall installing one set successfully but was very concerned about coil bind, having measured the collasped length of the inner (red) spring and made an educated guess of the available space within the overdrive. ISTR that there was 1/16" of an inch to spare. Since then, I've been buying sets from TRF than have some differential between the short and long springs, although not quite the 1/4" the manuals spec. Ed Woods From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun May 2 19:26:42 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 18:26:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping In-Reply-To: <83689C0945894D4D836B1BA971AAB289@elliott7455dae> References: <83689C0945894D4D836B1BA971AAB289@elliott7455dae> Message-ID: <029e01caea5f$b0830650$0301a8c0@randall> > Later, > Laycock re-developed > the overdrive with larger pistons (hence more pressure) and > these larger > pistons did not have piston rings - they came with o-rings. I believe the piston size got larger during the TR2 run (when OD in 2nd & 3rd was added); but the O-ring seals did not come in until 1964 or so. Anyway, my original TR3A OD had the larger pistons with cast iron rings on them. > I have 325 psi oil pressure Too low, IMO. The TR4 workshop manual (which is for the same OD as used by TR3-3B) says 380-400 is required. At 420 psi (with Redline MT-90), I can shift into 2nd OD at full throttle and no sign of slipping. Note that the factory specified pressures as high as 500 psi for some applications (early Stag), so I don't think there is any concern over the unit being able to handle the pressure. The point about setting the operating valve is a good one; but incorrect setting will normally just cause the unit to shift slowly or not work at all, rather than slip in overdrive. Best practice, IMO, is to ignore the "setting lever" and measure the ball movement directly. Opinions vary on how much the ball should move (See Nelson's article for a study of behavior at various lifts), but I use .030 - .040" based on an old article by Del Border (which was actually for a big Healey, and said 1/32" - 1/16"). The TR4 OD I have in my TR3 gives almost exactly 1/32" lift with the setting lever lined up, and does have some wear in the linkage, so I feel this gives credence to the numbers that Del quoted. Randall From mdhado at comcast.net Sun May 2 19:46:10 2010 From: mdhado at comcast.net (M&M Hado) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 20:46:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind In-Reply-To: <6F84EDE071144B1EBEA8B27FDFC073DB@Edscomputer> Message-ID: Ed, That's a great thought and Randall had also suggested the possibility of coil binding and I had not considered that. I have a spare unit and measured the distance between the seating surfaces of the springs and it's about 3 1/32" on the inner land (for the shorter springs) and the outer is about 3.5". Also, when the OD is engaged, this distance is reduced by 1/16" to 3/32" depending on the wear of the clutch. I then measured the length of the springs when they are coil bound and the long ones are around 2 15/16" on average and the short ones are 2.5". Do the math and you can see that if the longer springs are used where the short ones should be, they will be right at the binding point when the OD is engaged. The compressed spring absolute minimum length is 2 15/16" and the space to put it in is the same, or slightly less! Most of the OD's I've done have about the same size springs +/- 1/8" so I simply put the slightly shorter ones on the inner lands, thinking there is plenty of space. Clearly there is the possibility that they will bind. Thanks, again, for your suggestions and I'll let you know how it goes after I take this apart for the third time. Lessen learned. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Ed Woods Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:04 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind List, Some of the brand new spring sets are furnished with springs of equal length. I recall installing one set successfully but was very concerned about coil bind, having measured the collasped length of the inner (red) spring and made an educated guess of the available space within the overdrive. ISTR that there was 1/16" of an inch to spare. Since then, I've been buying sets from TRF than have some differential between the short and long springs, although not quite the 1/4" the manuals spec. Ed Woods _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mdhado at comcast.net From mdhado at comcast.net Sun May 2 20:12:41 2010 From: mdhado at comcast.net (M&M Hado) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 21:12:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping In-Reply-To: <029e01caea5f$b0830650$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: Regarding the line-up of the lever and hole, I agree that this is ballpark at best. My final setting is always based on getting the ball above the seat sufficiently to get the pressure to the pistons in a "reasonable" time. On a related note, I just learned recently of the reason for decreasing the diameter of the accumulator piston on the later A-types. The original larger accumulator piston results in a greater volume of oil being "accumulated" under pressure. When the unit is engaged, the pressure falls off as the oil rushes to the operating pistons, but it only falls slightly because of the volume in the system. By going to a smaller piston and less volume, the pressure drops off more and it takes the pump slightly longer to build up the oil pressure which results in a smoother shift. In other words, the later units will not "slam in" as hard as the older units seem to sometimes. Made sense to me. Mike The point about setting the operating valve is a good one; but incorrect setting will normally just cause the unit to shift slowly or not work at all, rather than slip in overdrive. Best practice, IMO, is to ignore the "setting lever" and measure the ball movement directly. Opinions vary on how much the ball should move (See Nelson's article for a study of behavior at various lifts), but I use .030 - .040" based on an old article by Del Border (which was actually for a big Healey, and said 1/32" - 1/16"). The TR4 OD I have in my TR3 gives almost exactly 1/32" lift with the setting lever lined up, and does have some wear in the linkage, so I feel this gives credence to the numbers that Del quoted. Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mdhado at comcast.net From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon May 3 06:17:00 2010 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 05:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Funny and Interesting Quote on Planes and Triumphs Message-ID: <86224.15293.qm@web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >From the Detroit Free Press, Sunday 05-02-2010 in a travel section article: Planes: All except two were your basic crowded Boeing 737s or Airbus A319s. The smallest was a surprisingly comfortable 60-seat Embraer RJ145 from Houston to Mexico City. The oldest was a 1970s B-era DC-9 on a Delta route between Detroit and Hartford, Conn. When things got bumpy, that DC-9 bounced around like a dog on a trampoline. b When are you going to get rid of this old plane?b I asked the pilot as we were exiting. He grinned and said he loved flyB-ing it because it was reliable and like driving his old TriB-umph sports car. B B Doug Mitchell -- dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon May 3 06:20:19 2010 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:20:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 7/16 TR4 rear wheel studs Message-ID: Amici, I'm looking for some longer rear axle (stock axle & hub) wheel studs for my TR4. I would like some that are about 2" long that are 7/16-20 thread that would replace the stock wheel studs without modification. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad From fasttrs at yahoo.com Mon May 3 06:31:07 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 05:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 7/16 TR4 rear wheel studs Message-ID: <789237.91411.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Moroso made some that were 2.5" long that I have used on several race cars. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2010, at 7:20 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: Amici, I'm looking for some longer rear axle (stock axle & hub) wheel studs for my TR4. I would like some that are about 2" long that are 7/16-20 thread that would replace the stock wheel studs without modification. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From jsnook at wcnet.org Mon May 3 07:38:48 2010 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:38:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Gingerman Race Message-ID: <003001caeac5$f60ffbe0$e22ff3a0$@org> Just back from racing my TR3 at Gingerman Raceway in South Haven, Michigan. Only a 2 day race weekend since Friday was the VSCDA annual driver's school. I was breaking in a new motor so the first three sessions were RPM limited. Finally was able to race harder during the qualifying race during the last session on Saturday and the car ran great....... Thanks to Glen Efinger and Terry Stetler!!! Sunday appeared to be a rain-out so I packed up and left for home early with my "Mission Accomplished"! Only two other FOTers in attendance (that I was aware of), Bob Wismer (1/2 the Beady Eye Racing Team) in his TR4, and the father & son team of Tim and Ryan Murphy. This was son Ryan's turn at the wheel this weekend and he was flogging their TR4 around quite briskly despite some high speed missing problems. They have done a very nice job of bringing this old TR4 race car back to life and should be proud of the car's beautiful presentation. Vroom, vroom, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com From BillDentin at aol.com Mon May 3 09:10:52 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 11:10:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] Mike Rothschild article... Message-ID: <13cda.6f9c9366.3910417c@aol.com> Amici... For any of you wishing to see a picture of Mordy Dunst, when he was young and good looking, you need to seek a copy of the current issue of TRIUMPH WORLD. My copy arrived Saturday day, and while I've not read it yet, there's an article about Mike Rothschild (Mordy's father-in-law, and Golden Age Triumph racer) by Paul Richardson. Like I say, there's a nice picture included of the family along with Ken and Paul Richardson. Apparently at one time Mordy was young and good looking. Bill (Damdinger) PS Some feel that engine swaps and other customizing efforts of the TRIUMPH TRs is sacrilegious, and a NO-NO. But the pictures of another article about a V8 powered, seriously customized TR6 sure caught my eye. Depending upon your tastes the front end might be a little over the top, but I could live with it, and I sure like what he did with the rear end. I'd like to drive this car. From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon May 3 09:35:40 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 11:35:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Mike Rothschild article... Message-ID: <15805.1346ee8c.3910474c@aol.com> Ya know, I can remember when Mordy was young... In a message dated 5/3/2010 8:34:31 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, BillDentin at aol.com writes: Amici... For any of you wishing to see a picture of Mordy Dunst, when he was young and good looking, you need to seek a copy of the current issue of TRIUMPH WORLD. My copy arrived Saturday day, and while I've not read it yet, there's an article about Mike Rothschild (Mordy's father-in-law, and Golden Age Triumph racer) by Paul Richardson. Like I say, there's a nice picture included of the family along with Ken and Paul Richardson. Apparently at one time Mordy was young and good looking. Bill (Damdinger) PS Some feel that engine swaps and other customizing efforts of the TRIUMPH TRs is sacrilegious, and a NO-NO. But the pictures of another article about a V8 powered, seriously customized TR6 sure caught my eye. Depending upon your tastes the front end might be a little over the top, but I could live with it, and I sure like what he did with the rear end. I'd like to drive this car. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From cartravel at pobox.com Mon May 3 09:42:09 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 10:42:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDEEED1.4090504@pobox.com> Mike, Randall made a good point about the springs. I measured several of these for my articles at vtr.org. The length difference was much less than 1/8 inch. The most important difference is the wire gauge. The long springs have a larger wire gauge which causes the coil bind differences you've observed. The pressure spec on the A-types is 360 psi for the early ones with large accumulators and 450 for the later ones. I've seen pressures of 650 recommended for racing, but I think that is overkill. Larry M&M Hado wrote: > Ed, > > That's a great thought and Randall had also suggested the possibility of > coil binding and I had not considered that. I have a spare unit and > measured the distance between the seating surfaces of the springs and it's > about 3 1/32" on the inner land (for the shorter springs) and the outer is > about 3.5". Also, when the OD is engaged, this distance is reduced by 1/16" > to 3/32" depending on the wear of the clutch. > > I then measured the length of the springs when they are coil bound and the > long ones are around 2 15/16" on average and the short ones are 2.5". Do > the math and you can see that if the longer springs are used where the short > ones should be, they will be right at the binding point when the OD is > engaged. The compressed spring absolute minimum length is 2 15/16" and the > space to put it in is the same, or slightly less! > > Most of the OD's I've done have about the same size springs +/- 1/8" so I > simply put the slightly shorter ones on the inner lands, thinking there is > plenty of space. Clearly there is the possibility that they will bind. > > Thanks, again, for your suggestions and I'll let you know how it goes after > I take this apart for the third time. Lessen learned. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Ed Woods > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:04 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind > > > List, > > Some of the brand new spring sets are furnished with springs of equal > length. I recall installing one set successfully but was very concerned > about coil bind, having measured the collasped length of the inner (red) > spring and made an educated guess of the available space within the > overdrive. ISTR that there was 1/16" of an inch to spare. Since then, I've > been buying sets from TRF than have some differential between the short and > long springs, although not quite the 1/4" the manuals spec. > > Ed Woods > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mdhado at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From chasgee at aol.com Mon May 3 09:43:22 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 11:43:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mike Rothschild article... In-Reply-To: <13cda.6f9c9366.3910417c@aol.com> References: <13cda.6f9c9366.3910417c@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CCB8EE7F2C1D5F-1ED0-4689@webmail-m022.sysops.aol.com> although I agree that Mordy was once young, I feel that good looking is a stretch... His sons have turned out good though, it must skip a generation. From BillDentin at aol.com Mon May 3 09:56:59 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 11:56:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] Mike Rothschild article... Message-ID: <17960.26be1517.39104c4b@aol.com> In a message dated 05/03/2010 10:43:37 AM Central Daylight Time, chasgee at aol.com writes: > although I agree that Mordy was once young, I feel that good looking is > a stretch... > > His sons have turned out good though, it must skip a generation. > Naw. That ain't it. The picture has the answer to that as well. Look at his wife. Clearly, Mordy married UP. Bill From spitlist at cox.net Mon May 3 10:07:12 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:07:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 7/16 TR4 rear wheel studs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Brad, If you go metric, it will open a whole wealth of options. Take an old stud to your local auto parts store and ask to look in their Dorman's catalog. You will look for the one that fits the shank and is the length you want. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Kahler Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:20 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] 7/16 TR4 rear wheel studs Amici, I'm looking for some longer rear axle (stock axle & hub) wheel studs for my TR4. I would like some that are about 2" long that are 7/16-20 thread that would replace the stock wheel studs without modification. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon May 3 11:11:45 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 13:11:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] 7/16 TR4 rear wheel studs Message-ID: <1d411.77b324ff.39105dd1@cs.com> 12 mm is the size I think....tons of them > Brad, > If you go metric, it will open a whole wealth of options. Take an old stud > to your local auto parts store and ask to look in their Dorman's catalog. > You will look for the one that fits the shank and is the length you want. > > Joe C. > From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Mon May 3 12:43:02 2010 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 18:43:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 7/16 TR4 rear wheel studs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100503184303.5XF58.305181.root@cdptpa-web18-z01> There is an ARP that have splines that slightly to large. I turn them on a lathe to make the spline fit and then put a touch of weld on the back side as security. Bob ---- Joe Curry wrote: > Brad, > If you go metric, it will open a whole wealth of options. Take an old stud > to your local auto parts store and ask to look in their Dorman's catalog. > You will look for the one that fits the shank and is the length you want. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Brad Kahler > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:20 AM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] 7/16 TR4 rear wheel studs > > Amici, > > I'm looking for some longer rear axle (stock axle & hub) wheel studs > for my TR4. I would like some that are about 2" long that are 7/16-20 > thread that would replace the stock wheel studs without modification. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From mdhado at comcast.net Mon May 3 13:05:54 2010 From: mdhado at comcast.net (M&M Hado) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 14:05:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind In-Reply-To: <4BDEEED1.4090504@pobox.com> Message-ID: Larry, Thanks for your additional comments. That makes me feel a little better about the 525 psi I have now but still may reduce it once I go into the OD again to investigate the springs. One thing not mentioned in any of the threads is the fact that some springs I've seen are LH and some are RH coils. Do you know the significance of this and if it matters? I don't think it's as simple as the short springs are one type and the long springs are another. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young [mailto:cartravel at pobox.com] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:42 AM To: M&M Hado; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind Mike, Randall made a good point about the springs. I measured several of these for my articles at vtr.org. The length difference was much less than 1/8 inch. The most important difference is the wire gauge. The long springs have a larger wire gauge which causes the coil bind differences you've observed. The pressure spec on the A-types is 360 psi for the early ones with large accumulators and 450 for the later ones. I've seen pressures of 650 recommended for racing, but I think that is overkill. Larry From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon May 3 16:21:47 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 17:21:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Gingerman Race In-Reply-To: <003001caeac5$f60ffbe0$e22ff3a0$@org> References: <003001caeac5$f60ffbe0$e22ff3a0$@org> Message-ID: <000001caeb0f$05c2f4e0$1148dea0$@com> Thanks for the compliments Jeff! The warm up was rained out Sunday morning but it cleared up and all the races were run in really nice weather, sunny and mid-60's. Ryan spent most of the 15 lap feature race chasing Mike Fisher in his white Group 2M1 1960 Austin Healy 3000 Mk I. He could stay with him through the corners but just didn't have enough to get him on the straights. Good racing and as Mike is a very experienced driver, a good learning experience following him. We also have our starting problem back where it loads up and we have to leave the fuel pump off until it cleans out then can switch on and it runs fine. I think one or both needle and seats in the SU H6's are leaking. They've been there for about 1800 race miles so the vibration has probably done them in. I've just ordered new ones from Moss (they only have the ones with the Viton tips) and am hoping that will solve the problem. It would just stumble a bit at the end of the straight and in the long sweeper. I have to take a look at the video from the race and see if the EGT's show me anything. We re-aimed the camera to pick up the gauges and Ryan gave an indication when it would stumble. Looks like I'll be doing some more early Sunday morning road testing on our town road again. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Snook Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:39 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Gingerman Race Just back from racing my TR3 at Gingerman Raceway in South Haven, Michigan. Only a 2 day race weekend since Friday was the VSCDA annual driver's school. I was breaking in a new motor so the first three sessions were RPM limited. Finally was able to race harder during the qualifying race during the last session on Saturday and the car ran great....... Thanks to Glen Efinger and Terry Stetler!!! Sunday appeared to be a rain-out so I packed up and left for home early with my "Mission Accomplished"! Only two other FOTers in attendance (that I was aware of), Bob Wismer (1/2 the Beady Eye Racing Team) in his TR4, and the father & son team of Tim and Ryan Murphy. This was son Ryan's turn at the wheel this weekend and he was flogging their TR4 around quite briskly despite some high speed missing problems. They have done a very nice job of bringing this old TR4 race car back to life and should be proud of the car's beautiful presentation. Vroom, vroom, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Mon May 3 17:00:07 2010 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 09:00:07 +1000 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind Message-ID: I have encountered the "wrong" springs on a few occasions over the years. In all cases has happened when o/d is built from bits. As pointed out by others, there are various different "short & long" in the family of A type O/d's, and the wrong ones on the inner will stop the clutch travel. Rover & Healey had all 8 springs on 1 part of the bridge, not stepped, so you cant use the springs from them. The TR, 8-spring set, is quite unusual, if not unique Terry O'Beirne From dave at microworks.net Mon May 3 21:29:59 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 20:29:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laps on the new Track in AZ Message-ID: <4BDF94B7.6000500@microworks.net> Here are some on-board laps on the new track (Inde Motorsports) here in AZ. It is in Wilcox which is down south of Tucson. We may be going down there at the end of the month to run the kat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsnnU-0B52Y From KENMUN at aol.com Tue May 4 11:21:04 2010 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 13:21:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] tr 3/4 connecting rods Message-ID: <8012.1e58b877.3911b180@aol.com> fot, anyone have a set of con. rods they'd like to sell. thanks, ken m. vintage tr 3 racer. From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue May 4 17:38:31 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:38:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 filter head relief valve Message-ID: <001e01caebe2$e7ce8c90$b76ba5b0$@rr.com> I am trying to solve the little seeps I have around the filter head. Has anyone used an o-ring under a washer to seal the pressure relief valve adjusting screw lock nut? I thought I would give this a try but the o-rings available at the local autoparts store seems to be too thick and stand proud of the chamfer that used to be sealed by a lead wire. What have you guys used? Thanks, Greg From jgambony at gcecisp.com Tue May 4 18:36:46 2010 From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (Jim Gambony) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 19:36:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Any Spitfire owners running twin sidedraft Webers or Dellortos? Message-ID: <32F1F5B7D2E9411CA47E849CE98E152A@jrg> Subject line says it all. Please contact me off list, I'm trying to help another Spitfire owner. Cheers, Jim Dallas jgambony at gcecisp.com From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Tue May 4 19:01:20 2010 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 11:01:20 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 filter head relief valve In-Reply-To: <001e01caebe2$e7ce8c90$b76ba5b0$@rr.com> References: <001e01caebe2$e7ce8c90$b76ba5b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: Greg, I Just use some very THIN soldering wire wrapped a couple of times around the thread/under the washer. You can get a roll of this from any goods electronics/electrical shop for a few dollars. Works good for me. Cheers... Kind Regards Peter Vucinic http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2010 9:39 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 filter head relief valve I am trying to solve the little seeps I have around the filter head. Has anyone used an o-ring under a washer to seal the pressure relief valve adjusting screw lock nut? I thought I would give this a try but the o-rings available at the local autoparts store seems to be too thick and stand proud of the chamfer that used to be sealed by a lead wire. What have you guys used? Thanks, Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic at netspace.net.au From mpendy at dishmail.net Tue May 4 20:47:13 2010 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 19:47:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 filter head relief valve References: <001e01caebe2$e7ce8c90$b76ba5b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: Copper ' crush ' washers have always worked for me. MPendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 4:38 PM Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 filter head relief valve >I am trying to solve the little seeps I have around the filter head. Has > anyone used an o-ring under a washer to seal the pressure relief valve > adjusting screw lock nut? I thought I would give this a try but the > o-rings > available at the local autoparts store seems to be too thick and stand > proud > of the chamfer that used to be sealed by a lead wire. > > > > What have you guys used? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net From seaCubeCo at aol.com Wed May 5 07:58:45 2010 From: seaCubeCo at aol.com (Seacubeco) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 09:58:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit spindles In-Reply-To: References: <001e01caebe2$e7ce8c90$b76ba5b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <3B989ADE-9A01-418A-ACA4-5FD1F323067D@aol.com> Hey Friends, How important is it to upgrade to the gt6 spindles? I have a friend who twists the snot out of his 1300 spit autocrosding and he has stock spit spindles. I plan on putting my spit on the track and was wondering. I know it is an easy upgrade, but do I need yo do it right away? Thanks Chris Sent from my IPhone On May 4, 2010, at 10:47 PM, "Mark Pendergrass" wrote: > Copper ' crush ' washers have always worked for me. MPendy > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 4:38 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 filter head relief valve > > >> I am trying to solve the little seeps I have around the filter >> head. Has >> anyone used an o-ring under a washer to seal the pressure relief >> valve >> adjusting screw lock nut? I thought I would give this a try but >> the o-rings >> available at the local autoparts store seems to be too thick and >> stand proud >> of the chamfer that used to be sealed by a lead wire. >> >> >> >> What have you guys used? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Greg >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From tpettenati at yahoo.com Wed May 5 12:48:49 2010 From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 11:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spit rear brakes Message-ID: <100717.68316.qm@web180312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello Friends, I'm in the process of rebuilding my rear brakes on my 65 Spit, and have found a slight modification that I'd like to understand better. The backing plates have been rotated 90 degrees, so the the wheel cylinders are now rearward instead of at the top. In other words facing the right rear hub, the wheel cylinder would be at 9:00 o'clock. Similar when facing the left rear, wheel cylinder at 3:00 o'clock. Any good reason that one of the previous owners would have made that change? Otherwise I'd like to put it back to the correct orientation. I'm not too sure about how effective the bleed screws are, now that they face down. Cheers, Tim Pettenati From spitlist at cox.net Wed May 5 14:10:08 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 13:10:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spit spindles In-Reply-To: <3B989ADE-9A01-418A-ACA4-5FD1F323067D@aol.com> References: <001e01caebe2$e7ce8c90$b76ba5b0$@rr.com> <3B989ADE-9A01-418A-ACA4-5FD1F323067D@aol.com> Message-ID: <5AD35E6344E54CF4AD7A2444A662C218@joepentiumnew> The Spindles are typically done with the upgrade to GT6 calipers which is a good idea (Rear drums as well). So if your sanctioning body allows it, I would say go for it. But if you are keeping the same calipers, I don't think you need worry about the stock spindles being too weak. Just MHI, Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Seacubeco Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 6:59 AM To: Mark Pendergrass Cc: Subject: [Fot] Spit spindles Hey Friends, How important is it to upgrade to the gt6 spindles? I have a friend who twists the snot out of his 1300 spit autocrosding and he has stock spit spindles. I plan on putting my spit on the track and was wondering. I know it is an easy upgrade, but do I need yo do it right away? Thanks Chris Sent from my IPhone On May 4, 2010, at 10:47 PM, "Mark Pendergrass" wrote: > Copper ' crush ' washers have always worked for me. MPendy > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 4:38 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 filter head relief valve > > >> I am trying to solve the little seeps I have around the filter >> head. Has >> anyone used an o-ring under a washer to seal the pressure relief >> valve >> adjusting screw lock nut? I thought I would give this a try but >> the o-rings >> available at the local autoparts store seems to be too thick and >> stand proud >> of the chamfer that used to be sealed by a lead wire. >> >> >> >> What have you guys used? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Greg >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Wed May 5 14:32:38 2010 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 13:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 oil galley Acusump plumbing Message-ID: <173731.61633.qm@web46114.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> If I recall there was a thread a few months ago where one of you explained how you adapted the oil galley plugs to manifold your Acusump into the galley. In fact I recall some one sent me photos. I have deleted that email. It would be great if you could resend. Thanks!!!! Mike Mehl From triosan at gmail.com Wed May 5 16:20:15 2010 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 15:20:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 oil galley Acusump plumbing In-Reply-To: <173731.61633.qm@web46114.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <173731.61633.qm@web46114.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike. Think it was me. I have annotated the photos and uploaded them to picasa web. You see them, and many more TR related pictures at: http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/OilGalleryPlumbing# Chuck On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > If I recall there was a thread a few months ago where one of you explained > how > you adapted the oil galley plugs to manifold your Acusump into the galley. > In > fact I recall some one sent me photos. I have deleted that email. It > would > be great if you could resend. > > Thanks!!!! > > Mike Mehl > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed May 5 20:10:46 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 19:10:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 oil galley Acusump plumbing In-Reply-To: <173731.61633.qm@web46114.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <173731.61633.qm@web46114.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7780F6CD-3BE8-47FE-861A-60D560BB45F8@earthlink.net> I had one of my oil gallery bolt holes in my engine block tapped to accept a 3/8 NPT to -10AN fitting. This was done in the machine shop before the block was cleaned. My machinist said it could be done with an assembled motor with thick white grease in the hole to trap metal bits from the tapping but I didn't feel comfortable doing it. I sent a picture to Mike of the fitting in the block. If anyone else wants a picture please email me. ~Steve On May 5, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: If I recall there was a thread a few months ago where one of you explained how you adapted the oil galley plugs to manifold your Acusump into the galley. In fact I recall some one sent me photos. I have deleted that email. It would be great if you could resend. Thanks!!!! Mike Mehl _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From mdhado at comcast.net Wed May 5 20:39:07 2010 From: mdhado at comcast.net (M&M Hado) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 21:39:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping - Final Outcome Message-ID: Last week I started a thread on a problem with a slipping overdrive and I thought some may wonder how it worked out. One of the "long" springs was installed on the inner, or shorter, land and was coil bound. That's only one out of the four and that's all it took. I checked a couple dozen springs that I had and found that it does not matter what the free length is, whether it is LH or RH wound coils, or even what the end color is, the only thing that really matters is the length when fully compressed, or coil bound. All of my springs were either 3" or 2.5 " when fully compressed. The 3" go on the outside and the 2.5" go on the inside land. Go by that and you'll always be fine. Thanks to all who offered suggestions and led me to the simple solution. Mike From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed May 5 21:25:53 2010 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 03:25:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR3 to TR4 ball joint issue solved Message-ID: <1609607610.18835411273116353818.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT, I tried a different set of ball joints today from BPNW. Problem solved. The spring pan now sits nicely as it should on the bumper stop. Nice! Dave H. From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Thu May 6 06:22:37 2010 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 07:22:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Small Crank 1300 ID Help Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A71965D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Morning Members, Need some help IDing a potential 1300 small crank Spitfire engine. Casting # is FC72027HE, owner says it has a 1 1/2" across the flats measurement on the crank bolt too. It's cheap but the freight is going to kill me if it's not a small crank 1300 so any help is appreciated to make sure it's what I want prior to shipping it. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From bkahler1 at gmail.com Thu May 6 06:57:02 2010 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 08:57:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Small Crank 1300 ID Help In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A71965D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A71965D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: Mark, FC engines are 1147 engines. Many parts are interchangable such as crank, rods, timing gears & chains, (I think the main and rod caps) but the block itself is different. The 1147 uses 11 head studs and the 1300 uses 10 head studs. Head studs is the easiest (other than serial number) way to tell the difference between the two engines. Obviously the heads are totally different. Hope this helps. Brad On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info wrote: > Morning Members, > > Need some help IDing a potential 1300 small crank Spitfire engine. > Casting # is FC72027HE, owner says it has a 1 1/2" across the flats > measurement on the crank bolt too. It's cheap but the freight is going > to kill me if it's not a small crank 1300 so any help is appreciated to > make sure it's what I want prior to shipping it. > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Thu May 6 07:05:36 2010 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 06:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Small Crank 1300 ID Help In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A71965D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <378917.27980.qm@web57616.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Mark: If the prefix is FC, then according to my information the engine would be an 1147. Ernie --- On Thu, 5/6/10, Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info wrote: Morning Members, Need some help IDing a potential 1300 small crank Spitfire engine. Casting # is FC72027HE, owner says it has a 1 1/2" across the flats measurement on the crank bolt too. It's cheap but the freight is going to kill me if it's not a small crank 1300 so any help is appreciated to make sure it's what I want prior to shipping it. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Thu May 6 07:24:56 2010 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 08:24:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1500 Rick Cline Engine for sale Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A719660@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Morning members, Well it looks like my 1300 small crank has turned out to be a 1147, oh well!! Anyway I have Rick Cline's last SCCA 1500 engine that he ran. It has been freshened and Dyno run by Bob Wagner in Atlanta and is good to go. I bought it on a lark and am now a 1300 small crank guy so it needs to go to make room for other stuff I probably don't need!! It's complete down to the spark plugs, distributor etc but no carbs. I would like to get 2500.00 for it. It even has the chromed mounts and plates, and Rick's stickers on the valve cover. I have freight lines in and out of my business all the time so shipping it is easier for me than most if you're not close by enough to come and pick it up. If you have a small crank 1300 core maybe there is a trade in play???? Brad told me Scott Barr might be a player on the 1500 too if anyone can contact him. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu May 6 10:07:08 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 09:07:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Small Crank 1300 ID Help In-Reply-To: References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A71965D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: To add to what Brad said, you are looking for an engine serial number starting with FD or FE. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Kahler Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:57 AM To: Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Small Crank 1300 ID Help Mark, FC engines are 1147 engines. Many parts are interchangable such as crank, rods, timing gears & chains, (I think the main and rod caps) but the block itself is different. The 1147 uses 11 head studs and the 1300 uses 10 head studs. Head studs is the easiest (other than serial number) way to tell the difference between the two engines. Obviously the heads are totally different. Hope this helps. Brad On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info wrote: > Morning Members, > > Need some help IDing a potential 1300 small crank Spitfire engine. > Casting # is FC72027HE, owner says it has a 1 1/2" across the flats > measurement on the crank bolt too. It's cheap but the freight is going > to kill me if it's not a small crank 1300 so any help is appreciated to > make sure it's what I want prior to shipping it. > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu May 6 10:11:21 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:11:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping - Final Outcome In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601caed36$c5758270$50608750$@com> Thanks for the update on the outcome. That's really good information. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of M&M Hado Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:39 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping - Final Outcome Last week I started a thread on a problem with a slipping overdrive and I thought some may wonder how it worked out. One of the "long" springs was installed on the inner, or shorter, land and was coil bound. That's only one out of the four and that's all it took. I checked a couple dozen springs that I had and found that it does not matter what the free length is, whether it is LH or RH wound coils, or even what the end color is, the only thing that really matters is the length when fully compressed, or coil bound. All of my springs were either 3" or 2.5 " when fully compressed. The 3" go on the outside and the 2.5" go on the inside land. Go by that and you'll always be fine. Thanks to all who offered suggestions and led me to the simple solution. Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From gaf3 at charter.net Thu May 6 15:13:45 2010 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 17:13:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan Message-ID: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> Group I've been working on a friends 74 TR6 and we discovered lots of crank end play. I checked the end play because he was complaining of hard shifts or grinding while putting the trans in reverse. I removed the pan and found the thrust washers in the oil pan.. I've run into large end play issues with the TR6's but this is the first I've seen in the pan. Understanding that this is a common malady with the TR6, I ordered a few sets of oversize thrust washers. Don't think there is enough material in a .025" oversize bearing to fix the problem. I pulled the bearing cap and didn't see major wear in the thrust face of the crank. I will need to do a closer inspection of the block Anyone out there seen a reasonable/simple fix for this problem? Thanks in advance Glenn Franco TR6's, 250 and Spit racer From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Thu May 6 21:36:28 2010 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 23:36:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan In-Reply-To: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> References: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> Message-ID: This is more common than you think. Iv'e had to repair several. If your lucky the larger size washers will take care of the end play, but the real problem is it usually wears off the tabs on the bottom main bearing cap which holds the washers in place. To fix this you can add weld to the cap and carefully grind it back to the original shape and or pin the washers with brass to the block. Of coarse the crank would need to come out to put the pins in. Good luck, Lorne > Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 17:13:45 -0400 > From: gaf3 at charter.net > To: fot at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan > > Group > I've been working on a friends 74 TR6 and we discovered lots of crank > end play. > I checked the end play because he was complaining of hard shifts or > grinding while putting the trans in reverse. > I removed the pan and found the thrust washers in the oil pan.. > I've run into large end play issues with the TR6's but this is the first > I've seen in the pan. > > Understanding that this is a common malady with the TR6, I ordered a few > sets of oversize thrust washers. > Don't think there is enough material in a .025" oversize bearing to fix > the problem. > > I pulled the bearing cap and didn't see major wear in the thrust face of > the crank. I will need to do a closer inspection of the block > > Anyone out there seen a reasonable/simple fix for this problem? > > Thanks in advance > Glenn Franco > TR6's, 250 and Spit racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lfritz82 at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID2832 6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Fri May 7 02:38:05 2010 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 18:38:05 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan In-Reply-To: References: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> Message-ID: I have always run a full circle thrust washer on clutch side . I mill the bearing cap. I can send specs if required Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorne Fritz" To: ; ; <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan > This is more common than you think. Iv'e had to repair several. > If your lucky the larger size washers will take care of the end play, but > the > real problem is it usually wears off the tabs on the bottom main bearing > cap > which holds the washers in place. To fix this you can add weld to the cap > and > carefully grind it back to the original shape and or pin the washers with > brass to the block. Of coarse the crank would need to come out to put the > pins > in. Good luck, Lorne >> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 17:13:45 -0400 >> From: gaf3 at charter.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan >> >> Group >> I've been working on a friends 74 TR6 and we discovered lots of crank >> end play. >> I checked the end play because he was complaining of hard shifts or >> grinding while putting the trans in reverse. >> I removed the pan and found the thrust washers in the oil pan.. >> I've run into large end play issues with the TR6's but this is the first >> I've seen in the pan. >> >> Understanding that this is a common malady with the TR6, I ordered a few >> sets of oversize thrust washers. >> Don't think there is enough material in a .025" oversize bearing to fix >> the problem. >> >> I pulled the bearing cap and didn't see major wear in the thrust face of >> the crank. I will need to do a closer inspection of the block >> >> Anyone out there seen a reasonable/simple fix for this problem? >> >> Thanks in advance >> Glenn Franco >> TR6's, 250 and Spit racer >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lfritz82 at hotmail.com >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with > Hotmail. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID2832 > 6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From gaf3 at charter.net Fri May 7 06:23:18 2010 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 08:23:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan In-Reply-To: <975D167ED75E428991DC03A4B66C8497@BobPC> References: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> <975D167ED75E428991DC03A4B66C8497@BobPC> Message-ID: <4BE40636.6000402@charter.net> Thanks Bob I was not aware of Scot Helms work on these thrust washers. Just visited his site. Looks like a good alternative to the stock arrangement. What surprised me is that this engine only has about 40k miles on it. I also like the idea of a full circle thrust washer that Geoff Bryne has recommended. I need to inspect the area on the block and cap more closely. Glenn Bob Danielson wrote: > Did you order from Scott Helms (http://www.customthrustwashers.com/) > Most of the 6-Pack Forum guys have moved to Scott's solid alloy thrust > washers. Even if you don't buy from him, his site is an excellent > resource on all things "thrust washer" > > Bob > > Bob Danielson > 1975 TR6 CF38503U > Running w/ Throttle Body Injection, > Toyota 5 speed & Nissan LSD > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Glenn Franco" > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:13 PM > To: "Friends of Triumph" ; <6pack at autox.team.net> > Subject: [6pack] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan > >> Group >> I've been working on a friends 74 TR6 and we discovered lots of crank >> end play. >> I checked the end play because he was complaining of hard shifts or >> grinding while putting the trans in reverse. >> I removed the pan and found the thrust washers in the oil pan.. >> I've run into large end play issues with the TR6's but this is the >> first I've seen in the pan. >> >> Understanding that this is a common malady with the TR6, I ordered a >> few sets of oversize thrust washers. >> Don't think there is enough material in a .025" oversize bearing to >> fix the problem. >> >> I pulled the bearing cap and didn't see major wear in the thrust face >> of the crank. I will need to do a closer inspection of the block >> >> Anyone out there seen a reasonable/simple fix for this problem? >> >> Thanks in advance >> Glenn Franco >> TR6's, 250 and Spit racer >> _______________________________________________ >> >> 6pack at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri May 7 08:24:09 2010 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:24:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan References: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> Message-ID: Hey, a better fix is to have the cap machined to accept another thrust washer on the flywheel side. Then have the thrust washer pinned to the cap. This doubles the surface area and is very effective. I've done this to my race motor and have virtually no wear to the thrust washers. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorne Fritz" To: ; ; <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan > This is more common than you think. Iv'e had to repair several. > If your lucky the larger size washers will take care of the end play, but > the > real problem is it usually wears off the tabs on the bottom main bearing > cap > which holds the washers in place. To fix this you can add weld to the cap > and > carefully grind it back to the original shape and or pin the washers with > brass to the block. Of coarse the crank would need to come out to put the > pins > in. Good luck, Lorne >> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 17:13:45 -0400 >> From: gaf3 at charter.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan >> >> Group >> I've been working on a friends 74 TR6 and we discovered lots of crank >> end play. >> I checked the end play because he was complaining of hard shifts or >> grinding while putting the trans in reverse. >> I removed the pan and found the thrust washers in the oil pan.. >> I've run into large end play issues with the TR6's but this is the first >> I've seen in the pan. >> >> Understanding that this is a common malady with the TR6, I ordered a few >> sets of oversize thrust washers. >> Don't think there is enough material in a .025" oversize bearing to fix >> the problem. >> >> I pulled the bearing cap and didn't see major wear in the thrust face of >> the crank. I will need to do a closer inspection of the block >> >> Anyone out there seen a reasonable/simple fix for this problem? >> >> Thanks in advance >> Glenn Franco >> TR6's, 250 and Spit racer >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lfritz82 at hotmail.com >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with > Hotmail. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID2832 > 6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From dlhogye at comcast.net Fri May 7 08:58:43 2010 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 14:58:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR rear brake backing plates needed Message-ID: <270258912.19384851273244323290.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT, Does anyone have an extra set of brake backing plates. I have a TR3 Girling axle housing ready to ship to Southwick, but I don't have the backing plates. I guess that 10 inchers are the way to go. Thanks, Dave H From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Fri May 7 09:20:09 2010 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:20:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan In-Reply-To: <4BE40636.6000402@charter.net> Message-ID: <20100507152009.SZJAR.349680.root@cdptpa-web07-z02> Now that you mention his name it jarred my memory. I installed one of his thrust washers very successfully in a GT6 race motor. Bob ---- Glenn Franco wrote: > Thanks Bob > I was not aware of Scot Helms work on these thrust washers. Just visited > his site. > Looks like a good alternative to the stock arrangement. > > What surprised me is that this engine only has about 40k miles on it. > > I also like the idea of a full circle thrust washer that Geoff Bryne has > recommended. > > I need to inspect the area on the block and cap more closely. > > Glenn > > Bob Danielson wrote: > > Did you order from Scott Helms (http://www.customthrustwashers.com/) > > Most of the 6-Pack Forum guys have moved to Scott's solid alloy thrust > > washers. Even if you don't buy from him, his site is an excellent > > resource on all things "thrust washer" > > > > Bob > > > > Bob Danielson > > 1975 TR6 CF38503U > > Running w/ Throttle Body Injection, > > Toyota 5 speed & Nissan LSD > > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Glenn Franco" > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:13 PM > > To: "Friends of Triumph" ; <6pack at autox.team.net> > > Subject: [6pack] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan > > > >> Group > >> I've been working on a friends 74 TR6 and we discovered lots of crank > >> end play. > >> I checked the end play because he was complaining of hard shifts or > >> grinding while putting the trans in reverse. > >> I removed the pan and found the thrust washers in the oil pan.. > >> I've run into large end play issues with the TR6's but this is the > >> first I've seen in the pan. > >> > >> Understanding that this is a common malady with the TR6, I ordered a > >> few sets of oversize thrust washers. > >> Don't think there is enough material in a .025" oversize bearing to > >> fix the problem. > >> > >> I pulled the bearing cap and didn't see major wear in the thrust face > >> of the crank. I will need to do a closer inspection of the block > >> > >> Anyone out there seen a reasonable/simple fix for this problem? > >> > >> Thanks in advance > >> Glenn Franco > >> TR6's, 250 and Spit racer > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> 6pack at autox.team.net > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri May 7 09:24:11 2010 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX Message-ID: Hi, I wound up having a pretty good day at a New England Region SCCA autocross last weekend. Check out the pix here: http://furball.smugmug.com/Autocross/05-02-2010-NHMS/12091228_RSNH2#859076566 _tD84i particularly pictures 128 and 133. How do you spell TORQUE?? FWIW, I also PAXED #1 or 89 drivers. I have never PAXed an NER/SCCA event, so I was actually stunned when they announced that I'd accomplished that. Far out. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Fri May 7 10:26:54 2010 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:26:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1300 Small Crank inquiry Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A7196A0@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> OK members, one more time does this verify a small crank 1300 engine?? Sellers said this: "FE33292E The bolt on the end of the crank shaft is one and a half inches" Hate to be a PITA but it's 4 hours from home and I have to buy the whole car to get the engine!!!! Thanks for all the help! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 7 10:34:35 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:34:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You got a little wheel lift there. And I thought I was the only one that did that! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX Hi, I wound up having a pretty good day at a New England Region SCCA autocross last weekend. Check out the pix here: http://furball.smugmug.com/Autocross/05-02-2010-NHMS/12091228_RSNH2#85907656 6 _tD84i particularly pictures 128 and 133. How do you spell TORQUE?? FWIW, I also PAXED #1 or 89 drivers. I have never PAXed an NER/SCCA event, so I was actually stunned when they announced that I'd accomplished that. Far out. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri May 7 10:38:02 2010 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 12:38:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very cool, bet that'll get blown up for the wall on the garage. Sure looks like your car has good bite. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: May 7, 2010 11:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX Hi, I wound up having a pretty good day at a New England Region SCCA autocross last weekend. Check out the pix here: http://furball.smugmug.com/Autocross/05-02-2010-NHMS/12091228_RSNH2#85907656 6 _tD84i particularly pictures 128 and 133. How do you spell TORQUE?? FWIW, I also PAXED #1 or 89 drivers. I have never PAXed an NER/SCCA event, so I was actually stunned when they announced that I'd accomplished that. Far out. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri May 7 10:38:30 2010 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:38:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74017028B6@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Very cool pix! I assume someone else will ask, but I'll play the dummy. What the heck does it mean to PAX?? Poobah of the Auto-X?? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 10:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX Hi, I wound up having a pretty good day at a New England Region SCCA autocross last weekend. Check out the pix here: http://furball.smugmug.com/Autocross/05-02-2010-NHMS/12091228_RSNH2#8590 76566 _tD84i particularly pictures 128 and 133. How do you spell TORQUE?? FWIW, I also PAXED #1 or 89 drivers. I have never PAXed an NER/SCCA event, so I was actually stunned when they announced that I'd accomplished that. Far out. rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 7 11:14:40 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 10:14:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 1300 Small Crank inquiry In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A7196A0@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A7196A0@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: Yes, it is a late Mk3 engine. Lower compression than the FD series but with preparation will deliver everything that the FD is capable of. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 9:27 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] 1300 Small Crank inquiry OK members, one more time does this verify a small crank 1300 engine?? Sellers said this: "FE33292E The bolt on the end of the crank shaft is one and a half inches" Hate to be a PITA but it's 4 hours from home and I have to buy the whole car to get the engine!!!! Thanks for all the help! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From mark at bradakis.com Fri May 7 11:24:53 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 11:24:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan In-Reply-To: <4BE40636.6000402@charter.net> References: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> <975D167ED75E428991DC03A4B66C8497@BobPC> <4BE40636.6000402@charter.net> Message-ID: <4BE44CE5.7060605@bradakis.com> > What surprised me is that this engine only has about 40k miles on it. Wonder if someone was riding the clutch a bit, using it for a dead pedal? > > I also like the idea of a full circle thrust washer that Geoff Bryne > has recommended. > I put full circle washers in Killer, put in 7 race seasons on the same washers. mjb. From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 7 11:30:31 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 10:30:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74017028B6@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74017028B6@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <9F9BFC80206142F1BC4F52100410356E@joepentiumnew> PAX is the SCCA's answer to handicapping cars in order to try to put everything on an even keel. It is based on the times put in at national events and therefore is much better for the stock classes than the prepared and modified classes where there are much greater differences in the performance in local competitions and National contests. So after the PAX multiplier is applied, you are at the top of the sheet, you have done well. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 9:39 AM To: Robert M. Lang; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Kool PIX Very cool pix! I assume someone else will ask, but I'll play the dummy. What the heck does it mean to PAX?? Poobah of the Auto-X?? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 10:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX Hi, I wound up having a pretty good day at a New England Region SCCA autocross last weekend. Check out the pix here: http://furball.smugmug.com/Autocross/05-02-2010-NHMS/12091228_RSNH2#8590 76566 _tD84i particularly pictures 128 and 133. How do you spell TORQUE?? FWIW, I also PAXED #1 or 89 drivers. I have never PAXed an NER/SCCA event, so I was actually stunned when they announced that I'd accomplished that. Far out. rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From gaf3 at charter.net Fri May 7 12:14:24 2010 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 14:14:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1300 Small Crank inquiry In-Reply-To: References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A7196A0@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <4BE45880.30504@charter.net> Just curious, what's the going rate for a good used small crank FE engine? I have two sitting in my barn that I have not rebuilt yet. Glenn > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 9:27 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] 1300 Small Crank inquiry > > OK members, one more time does this verify a small crank 1300 engine?? > > Sellers said this: > "FE33292E The bolt on the end of the crank shaft is one and a half > inches" > > Hate to be a PITA but it's 4 hours from home and I have to buy the whole > car to get the engine!!!! > > Thanks for all the help! > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From tpettenati at yahoo.com Fri May 7 12:32:43 2010 From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Brutes & Beauts Vintage Car Autocross and Car Gathering - Santa Clara CA USA Message-ID: <683404.80244.qm@web180301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Fot, Of interest to those in the SF bay area. Sponsored by the Triumph Travelers. All makes and models 25 years old and older. May 8th. http://www.triumphtravelers.org/Events/autocross/autocrossinfo.php I plan to take the Spit out for it's maiden voyage & shake down run. Stop by and say Hi if you are in the area. Cheers, Tim Pettenati 65 Spit #44 White From walt at hot-tr6.com Fri May 7 13:21:09 2010 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 13:21:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ZR1 sale Message-ID: <20100507192001.63D7718788C@autox.team.net> I'm not here argue the plusses or minuses of any particular oil. Some of us use of Valvoline VR1 (I do in my TR6 racecar) because it is supposed to have some zinc in it that helps cam lobes and lifters last longer. Anyway, if you have an Autozone parts store in your area they are having a 50% off sale on ZR1 at this time. Keep the hammer down. Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 102927 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From BillDentin at aol.com Fri May 7 13:39:27 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:39:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX Message-ID: <29c23.18c6c910.3915c66f@aol.com> In a message dated 05/07/2010 1:24:53 PM Central Daylight Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: > PAX is the SCCA's answer to handicapping cars in order to try to put > everything on an even keel. It is based on the times put in at national > events and therefore is much better for the stock classes than the > prepared > and modified classes where there are much greater differences in the > performance in local competitions and National contests. > It's been a while since I was an altar boy, but back then "Pax" was Latin or Greek for "Peace". Maybe I'd better call the SCCA alert them. I don't think they can handle peace. It may be a concept they're unfamiliar with. Pax vobiscum! Bill (Damdinger) SCCA #120201 PS I know that's a long SCCA membership number for an old guy like me, but I didn't join the SCCA until the mid-1980s. I'll bet Kas will tell me his SCCA member number only has two digits. Could be. From ofbracing at nefcom.net Fri May 7 15:04:05 2010 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (ofbracing) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 17:04:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ZR1 sale In-Reply-To: <20100507192001.63D7718788C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the tip. I use VR1 and just got back from my local Autozone with 18 quarts of 20w50 for $2.06 each. Apparently 12 is the limit so they just rang up the other 6 separately. Supposedly they'll get more tomorrow so I'll go back again. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Walter Hollowell Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 3:21 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] ZR1 sale I'm not here argue the plusses or minuses of any particular oil. Some of us use of Valvoline VR1 (I do in my TR6 racecar) because it is supposed to have some zinc in it that helps cam lobes and lifters last longer. Anyway, if you have an Autozone parts store in your area they are having a 50% off sale on ZR1 at this time. Keep the hammer down. Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 102927 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofbracing at nefcom.net From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri May 7 15:56:13 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 14:56:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ZR1 sale In-Reply-To: <20100507192001.63D7718788C@autox.team.net> References: <20100507192001.63D7718788C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Are you kidding me? I just bought 2 cases yesterday for 5.30 a qt! I got ripped off. ~Steve On May 7, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Walter Hollowell wrote: I'm not here argue the plusses or minuses of any particular oil. Some of us use of Valvoline VR1 (I do in my TR6 racecar) because it is supposed to have some zinc in it that helps cam lobes and lifters last longer. Anyway, if you have an Autozone parts store in your area they are having a 50% off sale on ZR1 at this time. Keep the hammer down. Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 102927 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From fogbro1 at comcast.net Fri May 7 16:31:23 2010 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 18:31:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jumping out of 2nd gear Message-ID: <23BE2635563947DF816DEDE07CBC2E84@Edscomputer> Lists, TR, all synchro gearbox was jumping out of 2nd gear on deceleration. Usual suspects like broken 2nd speed bush, incorrect bushing clearances, selector shaft springs did not cure the problem. What did cure the problem was the replacement of the 1/2 sliding hub and 2nd gear with a different used set. Replacing those two parts was the only change I made and the gearbox works perfectly, no longer jumping out of gear on deceleration. Under a magnifying glass, I can see no appreciable difference between the offending parts and other sets I have on hand. So, my question to the lists is: how can you tell whether a particular hub/gear set will cause such a problem BEFORE they're installed? What differentiates a set with normal wear that is useable from a set that is not? What's the test? Ed Woods From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri May 7 20:08:53 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 21:08:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ZR1 sale References: <20100507192001.63D7718788C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2A162D63FCDC4ADE98CA40466423AEB0@latitudefb1e41> Thanks Walt. I just stocked up. The local price is $4.29 a quart so I hit 2 Autozones. One guy said that he thought they were discontinuing it and that nobody buys it. The other guy said it was just a regular monthly flyer special to get people in the door. I got in and out and saved $56.00. With 3 TR's on the road and track I'll use it up. Again, thanks for sharing this info. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Hollowell" To: Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 2:21 PM Subject: [Fot] ZR1 sale > I'm not here argue the plusses or minuses of any particular oil. Some of > us > use of Valvoline VR1 (I do in my TR6 racecar) because it is supposed to > have > some zinc in it that helps cam lobes and lifters last longer. Anyway, if > you > have an Autozone parts store in your area they are having a 50% off sale > on > ZR1 at this time. > Keep the hammer down. > Walt Hollowell > Albuquerque, NM > > _____ > > I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter > > . > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 102927 of my spam emails to date. > The Professional version does not have this message. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat May 8 11:49:00 2010 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 13:49:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] PAX In-Reply-To: <9F9BFC80206142F1BC4F52100410356E@joepentiumnew> References: , <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74017028B6@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>, <9F9BFC80206142F1BC4F52100410356E@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: I have always sucked in PAX. Being that my car was at the lower end of preparation in PREPARED class I am always at the bottom of the list. Of course it doesnt hurt being a good driver like Bob is either:) Marty > From: spitlist at cox.net > To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com; lang at isis.mit.edu; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 10:30:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kool PIX > > PAX is the SCCA's answer to handicapping cars in order to try to put > everything on an even keel. It is based on the times put in at national > events and therefore is much better for the stock classes than the prepared > and modified classes where there are much greater differences in the > performance in local competitions and National contests. > > So after the PAX multiplier is applied, you are at the top of the sheet, you > have done well. > > Joe C. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From cartravel at pobox.com Sat May 8 15:22:28 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 16:22:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jumping out of 2nd gear In-Reply-To: <23BE2635563947DF816DEDE07CBC2E84@Edscomputer> References: <23BE2635563947DF816DEDE07CBC2E84@Edscomputer> Message-ID: <4BE5D614.1020504@pobox.com> Ed, What are you calling a 1/2 sliding hub? Is that the synchro hub between 2nd and 1st? My article at vtr.org - www.vtr.org/maintain/TransRebuild/TRTrans02.pdf. describes a problem that might be similar. In one transmission, we replaced the springs and balls in the synchro hubs and that fixed the problem. The manuals explain how to check the synchro hubs and that is what I do now. Larry Ed Woods wrote: > Lists, > > 1/2 sliding hub and 2nd gear From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Sat May 8 15:42:39 2010 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 16:42:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Valvoline VR1 NSL racing oil Message-ID: <13D3A7A9637748CE8F733E6ADA45B6F4@bkolnzPC> I know all you guys know this,, but as a reminder, Valvoline offers a VR1 "Not street legal" racing oil. (conventional, and full syn.) It has no detergent package, but tons of Z and Phos. to lub our Spitfire engines properly. It's only good for 500 miles, which is perfect for a week-end event, and I send a sample off to Blackstone for a read. $4.00 a qt. at Napa.. They will order if not in stock. Bill '72 spit Blue #8 From mdhado at comcast.net Sat May 8 16:23:17 2010 From: mdhado at comcast.net (M&M Hado) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 17:23:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Temperature Sensor In-Reply-To: <2A162D63FCDC4ADE98CA40466423AEB0@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: Does anyone have a resistance vs. temperature curve for the stock TR4 temp sensor? Even some specific values at common temps such as 80, 180, 212, etc. would help. Thanks, Mike From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun May 9 20:15:08 2010 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 21:15:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rear Springs Message-ID: FoT, I have a pair of rear springs for a TR6 that someone may be interested in before I put them on ebay. They are competition springs with the following specs: 9-7/8" free length 4" diameter 575# spring rate - last measured in 2003 last used in 2007 In excellent condition Please contact me off line if interested. Thanks, Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From budscars at comcast.net Mon May 10 14:32:33 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:32:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: short bus YOU ARE NOT CROSSEYED Message-ID: YOU ARE NOT CROSSEYED.........This is a FOR REAL VW BUS that was at the Lemons Race at Thunderhill last weekend...and...The Speakers were BLASTING what sounded like a mixture of Reggae and Latino Beat as it drove around the pits...At the wheel in this photo is DAN 'THE BOSS' RADOWICZ Racer Bud D.R.Rad & Rad B. at LeMons Thunderhill. Everyone needs one of these to drive. Makes a Smart car look pedestrian. It not only does "wheelies", it does "stoppies"! drr --- On Mon, 5/10/10, Nick Pon wrote: From: Nick Pon Subject: short bus To: "Daniel Radowicz" Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 1:03 PM [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_5815.jpg] From Group44TR7 at aol.com Tue May 11 09:26:05 2010 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:26:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] Huffaker paneled TR7 street car Message-ID: <8cf22.3020cc8c.391ad10d@aol.com> Hi All A number of years ago I found and purchased a TR7 with fiberglass rear and front fenders along with a fiber glass from panel. After some research, I found that the panels on the car were from purchased those used on the Huffaker TR8s. Apparently at one point, there was a small company that has subsequently gone out of business that sold kits for the TR7s and TR8s street cars. I have confirmed with Huffaker that the fender panels on the car were from the TR8 race car molds. Exactly how many of these kits were ever sold, I do not know, but apparently there were not very many according to Huffaker. Having conceded to that this is a project which I can not realistically complete, I looking to sell it to someone who has an interest in doing so. If your interested, please send me a return email. From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue May 11 10:02:57 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:02:57 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR4 in The Vintage Triumph Message-ID: <20100511.120257.28480.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> In the February 2010 TVT there is an article from Cindy Adams - The Story of Four Triumphs. Turns out the white # 47 TR4 (pictured in the article) that John Adams and Harvey Thompson raced is sitting in my garage waiting for me to get it back on the track. It is still white, but is sporting some flared steel fenders and will eventually have fiberglass ones as an EP SCCA car. Anyway, does anyone know how to contact Cindy or John to see if they have any more history for the car? Apparently it was converted to a race car soon after leaving the dealership. I bought it from the 2nd owner since them and have that later history. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4be97ffe88c438585st02duc From harmug at us.ibm.com Tue May 11 10:46:26 2010 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:46:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] List Nominee Message-ID: Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our brains. Do I hear a second? thanks mike h G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue May 11 11:03:36 2010 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 in The Vintage Triumph In-Reply-To: <20100511.120257.28480.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> References: <20100511.120257.28480.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <274406.27986.qm@web80801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If Mike Cook isn't on this list, you might try contacting him at the address in the TVT. mcook at vtr.org ----- Original Message ---- From: Joe Boruch To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 12:02:57 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 in The Vintage Triumph In the February 2010 TVT there is an article from Cindy Adams - The Story of Four Triumphs. Turns out the white # 47 TR4 (pictured in the article) that John Adams and Harvey Thompson raced is sitting in my garage waiting for me to get it back on the track. It is still white, but is sporting some flared steel fenders and will eventually have fiberglass ones as an EP SCCA car. Anyway, does anyone know how to contact Cindy or John to see if they have any more history for the car? Apparently it was converted to a race car soon after leaving the dealership. I bought it from the 2nd owner since them and have that later history. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4be97ffe88c438585st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From fasttrs at yahoo.com Tue May 11 11:43:23 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] List Nominee Message-ID: <960106.35412.qm@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Second! Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2010, at 11:46 AM, George Harmuth wrote: Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our brains. Do I hear a second? thanks mike h G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 11 11:49:20 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:49:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] List Nominee In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't think we have a Joe D. yet. So in our quest to have every letter in the alphabet represented by Joes, I second! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Harmuth Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:46 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: jhd11 at hotmail.com Subject: [Fot] List Nominee Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our brains. Do I hear a second? thanks mike h G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue May 11 12:02:53 2010 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:02:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] List Nominee References: Message-ID: I'd 2nd a fellow TRsixer. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: [Fot] List Nominee > Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. > Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our brains. > Do I hear a second? > > thanks > mike h > > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From seaCubeCo at aol.com Tue May 11 12:15:23 2010 From: seaCubeCo at aol.com (Seacubeco) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:15:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] List Nominee In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D6D41A6-C5CA-41EC-A07C-93CEB02DAA88@aol.com> I have no problems with the addition. What is Chumpcar racing? Chris Sent from my IPhone On May 11, 2010, at 12:46 PM, George Harmuth wrote: > Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. > Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our > brains. > Do I hear a second? > > thanks > mike h > > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From triosan at gmail.com Tue May 11 12:21:25 2010 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:21:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Can some measure a front shock for me? Message-ID: I need to know the outside diameter of a Koni Classic front shock for a TR [6 in my case]. Need the non-moving part of the shock diameter -- am building spring spacers for my 2.5" interior diameter springs. -- Chuck Arnold From harmug at us.ibm.com Tue May 11 12:28:01 2010 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:28:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] List Nominee In-Reply-To: <9D6D41A6-C5CA-41EC-A07C-93CEB02DAA88@aol.com> Message-ID: Chumpcar is a form of Auto abuse, in both senses. http://www.chumpcar.com/ mike G. Michael Harmuth Seacubeco To George Harmuth/Fishkill/IBM at IBMUS 05/11/2010 02:15 cc PM "fot at autox.team.net" , "jhd11 at hotmail.com" Subject Re: [Fot] List Nominee I have no problems with the addition. What is Chumpcar racing? Chris Sent from my IPhone On May 11, 2010, at 12:46 PM, George Harmuth wrote: > Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. > Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our > brains. > Do I hear a second? > > thanks > mike h > > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From LimeyV8 at aol.com Tue May 11 12:57:30 2010 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:57:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] List Nominee Message-ID: <13d18.40e5db13.391b029a@aol.com> In a message dated 5/11/2010 1:31:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, harmug at us.ibm.com writes: Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our brains. Do I hear a second? another 2nd and a hearty welcome to my Riff RAF Racing team mate Joe Downer! visit our team blog and follow our progress (or lack thereof) here: _http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/_ (http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/) Cheers, Jack McGahey From LimeyV8 at aol.com Tue May 11 13:04:57 2010 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:04:57 EDT Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee Message-ID: <14759.2965a0d6.391b0459@aol.com> I'd like to nominate Jamie Palmer, founder, team captain, and spiritual leader of Riff RAF Racing, for FOT list membership. Jamie's email address is _tr6driver at yahoo.com_ (mailto:tr6driver at yahoo.com) _http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/_ (http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/) can I get a 2nd? Thanks, Jack McGahey From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue May 11 13:14:08 2010 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:14:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] List Nominee Message-ID: <380-22010521119148316@M2W137.mail2web.com> It's like LeMons, but a little more race oriented (but still with the $500 limit on the car). I believe they do the full 24 hours while I'm not sure LeMons does. Here's their website: http://www.chumpcar.com/ Keep Triumphing, Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: Seacubeco seaCubeCo at aol.com Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:15:23 -0400 To: harmug at us.ibm.com, jhd11 at hotmail.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] List Nominee I have no problems with the addition. What is Chumpcar racing? Chris Sent from my IPhone On May 11, 2010, at 12:46 PM, George Harmuth wrote: > Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. > Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our > brains. > Do I hear a second? > > thanks > mike h > > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From fasttrs at yahoo.com Tue May 11 13:55:07 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee Message-ID: <702135.61679.qm@web46112.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> 2nd! Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2010, at 2:04 PM, LimeyV8 at aol.com wrote: I'd like to nominate Jamie Palmer, founder, team captain, and spiritual leader of Riff RAF Racing, for FOT list membership. Jamie's email address is _tr6driver at yahoo.com_ (mailto:tr6driver at yahoo.com) _http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/_ (http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/) can I get a 2nd? Thanks, Jack McGahey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From adams910 at gmail.com Tue May 11 14:11:47 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:11:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 and trailer stolen - Kansas City, Kansas area Message-ID: Saw this on the prod forum... http://prodracing.com/prodcar/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11553 Bob Adams From herald948 at aol.com Tue May 11 14:15:31 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:15:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee In-Reply-To: <14759.2965a0d6.391b0459@aol.com> References: <14759.2965a0d6.391b0459@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CCBF5DD6DF71AA-13A4-2647@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> With pleasure, Jack! I mean, I've seen actual video of Jamie autocrossing a Standard Vanguard Sportsman with no small degree of spirit! How cool is THAT? ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: LimeyV8 at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: tr6driver at yahoo.com Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 3:04 pm Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee I'd like to nominate Jamie Palmer, founder, team captain, and spiritual leader of Riff RAF Racing, for FOT list membership. Jamie's email address is _tr6driver at yahoo.com_ (mailto:tr6driver at yahoo.com) From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue May 11 14:35:50 2010 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:35:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] )Re: another RiffRAF FOT list nominee References: <14759.2965a0d6.391b0459@aol.com> Message-ID: <006101caf149$8bb37120$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> I'll second! With a team name like that, they can't lose. Bill Tobin Erie, PA (It snowed Sunday AM!) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:04 PM Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee > I'd like to nominate Jamie Palmer, founder, team captain, and spiritual > leader of Riff RAF Racing, for FOT list membership. > Jamie's email address is _tr6driver at yahoo.com_ > (mailto:tr6driver at yahoo.com) > > _http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/_ (http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/) > > can I get a 2nd? > > Thanks, > Jack McGahey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin3 at verizon.net From LimeyV8 at aol.com Tue May 11 14:40:49 2010 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:40:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee Message-ID: In a message dated 5/11/2010 4:15:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: With pleasure, Jack! I mean, I've seen actual video of Jamie autocrossing a Standard Vanguard Sportsman with no small degree of spirit! How cool is THAT? ;-) --Andy Mace you should have been there - I was - and, in my TR8, I was only 5 seconds faster than Jamie in a Standard Vangaurd. Cheers, Jack Mc From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue May 11 14:47:03 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:47:03 GMT Subject: [Fot] List Nominee Message-ID: <20100511.164703.15050.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Looks like the rules say that the car must be "valued" at under $500, not including safety gear. This is not what you paid for the car, so how do you value a car like a TR6. It would have to be a pretty sad TR6 to be valued at under $500. Not sure there would be enough of a frame to attach a cage onto??? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "spitfiresuz at 141.com" To: seacubeco at aol.com, harmug at us.ibm.com, jhd11 at hotmail.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] List Nominee Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:14:08 -0400 It's like LeMons, but a little more race oriented (but still with the $500 limit on the car). I believe they do the full 24 hours while I'm not sure LeMons does. Here's their website: http://www.chumpcar.com/ Keep Triumphing, Susan :) ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4be9c264f1bec41a5a4st05duc From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue May 11 18:40:35 2010 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:40:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Can some measure a front shock for me? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BE9F903.4040701@blacksburg.net> On 5/11/2010 2:21 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > I need to know the outside diameter of a Koni Classic front shock for a TR > [6 in my case]. Need the non-moving part of the shock diameter -- am > building spring spacers for my 2.5" interior diameter springs. > > Chuck, the range of three measurements was 1.632 - 1.640 (kinda fiddly getting the calipers 'tween the springs). jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From LimeyV8 at aol.com Tue May 11 18:48:17 2010 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:48:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Chump car - was List Nominee Message-ID: In a message dated 5/11/2010 5:45:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jaboruch at netzero.net writes: Looks like the rules say that the car must be "valued" at under $500, not including safety gear. This is not what you paid for the car, so how do you value a car like a TR6. It would have to be a pretty sad TR6 to be valued at under $500. Not sure there would be enough of a frame to attach a cage onto??? Joe(B) We paid $600 for our TR6 and sold enough parts off to get the "value" down around zero. And yes it is a pretty sad TR6 - but perfect for this purpose, because it runs good and is cosmetically terrible - i believe the boot lid is the only part of the car that has never suffered collision damage - and it is rusty. There was significant frame and sill rust, but the suspension attachment points were strong - Our cage attaches as far back as the diff mount cross rail and frame rails on each side of the spare tire well and attaches as far forward as the spring/strut towers - so most of the frame and sills are now structurally irrelevant. see pictures at _http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/_ (http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/) Chump and Lemons definition of safety equipment is pretty liberal and some other items like tires and brakes are not subject to the spending limit - generally the $500 is just the tip of the iceberg - racing is expensive - even when its cheap! Cheers, Jack Mc From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue May 11 20:50:50 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 21:50:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] List Nominee References: <20100511.164703.15050.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <90E27796B3AA44AD91C69D8513D6D9BB@latitudefb1e41> This qualifies, the HCTC Lemon's TR6. Paid $200 for it. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] List Nominee > Looks like the rules say that the car must be "valued" at under $500, not > including safety gear. This is not what you paid for the car, so how do > you > value a car like a TR6. It would have to be a pretty sad TR6 to be valued > at > under $500. Not sure there would be enough of a frame to attach a cage > onto??? > Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "spitfiresuz at 141.com" > To: seacubeco at aol.com, harmug at us.ibm.com, jhd11 at hotmail.com, > fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] List Nominee > Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:14:08 -0400 > > It's like LeMons, but a little more race oriented (but still with the $500 > limit on the car). I believe they do the full 24 hours while I'm not sure > LeMons does. Here's their website: http://www.chumpcar.com/ > > Keep Triumphing, > Susan :) > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Penny Stock Jumping 2000% > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4be9c264f1bec41a5a4st05duc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of TR6 Lemon racercar 005.jpg] From herald948 at aol.com Tue May 11 20:52:44 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 22:52:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCBF9554F619F0-A30-7122@webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: LimeyV8 at aol.com you should have been there - I was - and, in my TR8, I was only 5 seconds faster than Jamie in a Standard Vangaurd. ==AM== I've seen Jamie autocross in the past; he's pretty darned good at it. Besides, it was a Vanguard *Sportsman* -- practically a five- (or maybe even six-) seater TR3! :-) --Andy Mace From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed May 12 06:16:52 2010 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 08:16:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] commercial message Message-ID: <4BEA9C34.4040006@bright.net> Carlisle commercial -- last call. We will be at Import Carlisle Thursday through Saturday. Spaces E63 and E64. If you need something that we normally do not take to this event, engines, gearboxes or other heavy items, please lt us know. Save shipping. Also for sale is the canopy listed below. Ideal for the "famous"Carlisle weather. Thanks for your time. Ted $For Sale -- new 10' x 20' free standing canopy. This is a post and frame unit, not a folding "Easy Up" style canopy. We needed a spare for the Sebring 12 hour race. Used one time. We did not even use the top but rather a pullover large vinyl tarp. Posts come apart for transport. There are no side walls. These are available from several sources.. 100 -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 12 06:36:52 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 14:36:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Exploded muffler In-Reply-To: <4BEA9C34.4040006@bright.net> References: <4BEA9C34.4040006@bright.net> Message-ID: <001601caf1cf$cde93ee0$69bbbca0$@com> Hi guys, I would like to know if you have any experience with exploded mufflers from running the engine at full throttle. Is that a common problem with race cars, or just bad luck if this happens? Cheers Chris From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Wed May 12 07:10:43 2010 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 23:10:43 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Exploded muffler In-Reply-To: <001601caf1cf$cde93ee0$69bbbca0$@com> References: <4BEA9C34.4040006@bright.net> <001601caf1cf$cde93ee0$69bbbca0$@com> Message-ID: Bad Muffler ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:36 PM Subject: [Fot] Exploded muffler > Hi guys, > > I would like to know if you have any experience with exploded mufflers > from > running the engine at full throttle. > Is that a common problem with race cars, or just bad luck if this happens? > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 12 07:20:47 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 15:20:47 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Exploded muffler In-Reply-To: References: <4BEA9C34.4040006@bright.net> <001601caf1cf$cde93ee0$69bbbca0$@com> Message-ID: <001a01caf1d5$f09ed6b0$d1dc8410$@com> It was a Phoenix muffler. I suppose them to be of good quality. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Geoff Byrne [mailto:gkbyrne at optushome.com.au] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Mai 2010 15:11 An: MadMarx; 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Exploded muffler Bad Muffler ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:36 PM Subject: [Fot] Exploded muffler > Hi guys, > > I would like to know if you have any experience with exploded mufflers > from > running the engine at full throttle. > Is that a common problem with race cars, or just bad luck if this happens? > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed May 12 07:24:45 2010 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 9:24:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Front bumper to frame bracket Message-ID: <20100512132445.QXP4S.53052.root@cdptpa-web14-z01> All, Any one have a set to sell, TR3 front bumper to frame brackets....straight as possible? thxx, Bob From cwnfot at gmail.com Wed May 12 07:45:13 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:45:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit rear brakes In-Reply-To: <100717.68316.qm@web180312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <100717.68316.qm@web180312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005a01caf1d9$5998e4f0$0ccaaed0$@com> Some folks have the notion that air in the brake lines will come out the bottom of the cylilnder. A friend restored a Camaro and put the left caliper on the right side and the right on the left because he thought the bleeder should be on the bottom. Duh. That doesn't work. Best put the backing plates where they belong. Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 12 07:51:54 2010 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee In-Reply-To: <14759.2965a0d6.391b0459@aol.com> References: <14759.2965a0d6.391b0459@aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 May 2010 LimeyV8 at aol.com wrote: > I'd like to nominate Jamie Palmer, founder, team captain, and spiritual > leader of Riff RAF Racing, for FOT list membership. > Jamie's email address is _tr6driver at yahoo.com_ > (mailto:tr6driver at yahoo.com) Wow - Jamie Palmer isn't an FOT?? Although late, consider this second. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed May 12 08:11:22 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 07:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 and trailer stolen - Kansas City, Kansas area In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <466528.11077.qm@web46113.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thats too bad, I hope they find it. I raced with Harvey a few years back in Memphis, he is a nice guy. I have a Doberman, a tongue lock and a logging chain running through the wheels on my trailer. I can only hope that will deter anyone from taking mine. Mike Saw this on the prod forum... http://prodracing.com/prodcar/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11553 Bob Adams http://www.fot-racing.com From tpettenati at yahoo.com Wed May 12 10:06:14 2010 From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spit rear brakes In-Reply-To: <005a01caf1d9$5998e4f0$0ccaaed0$@com> References: <100717.68316.qm@web180312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <005a01caf1d9$5998e4f0$0ccaaed0$@com> Message-ID: <868675.42036.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Last night I returned the backing plates to the correct orientation, with the wheel cylinders at the top. Easier job than I thought. Bleed the brakes again and all is well. Thanks for the advise. Tim Pettenati ________________________________ From: Clark W. Nicholls To: Tim Pettenati ; FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 6:45:13 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] Spit rear brakes Some folks have the notion that air in the brake lines will come out the bottom of the cylilnder. A friend restored a Camaro and put the left caliper on the right side and the right on the left because he thought the bleeder should be on the bottom. Duh. That doesn't work. Best put the backing plates where they belong. Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed May 12 10:41:16 2010 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:41:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel Message-ID: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: I have what I think is a stock steering wheel in my street TR6. It is a six bolt pattern and measures 14" in diameter. Problem - there is not enough room in the foot box so I have to angle my knees to the sides when I'm seated but my knees still contact the steering wheel. I've been looking for smaller steering wheel (approx. 13" diameter) in the usual Brit parts catalogs but have not found one. I don't need an expensive, wood grain Nardi or Momo model but would prefer a moderately priced version, even one from a non-automotive supplier I could adapt to this application. Any suggestions? Gary 1969 TR6 From spitlist at cox.net Wed May 12 11:20:20 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:20:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel In-Reply-To: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48020C0AA9CA4E9BAC7770CF8132AA69@joepentiumnew> I have a 13" Grant Wheel in my Black Spit. But because I am not all that enthusiastic about the horn circuit that is used in that wheel, I adapted a 3-spoke Grant wheel to the hub from a MkIV/early 1500 wheel (which is like your TR6 wheel). I had to do some cutting but it is secure and the rubber horn surround piece covers up all the ragged metal. It has a very large grip which I hand stitched leather onto for an attractive appearance. I did the same thing for my son's Mk2 Spit using a different brand of 3-spoke 13" wheel. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:41 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel Hello: I have what I think is a stock steering wheel in my street TR6. It is a six bolt pattern and measures 14" in diameter. Problem - there is not enough room in the foot box so I have to angle my knees to the sides when I'm seated but my knees still contact the steering wheel. I've been looking for smaller steering wheel (approx. 13" diameter) in the usual Brit parts catalogs but have not found one. I don't need an expensive, wood grain Nardi or Momo model but would prefer a moderately priced version, even one from a non-automotive supplier I could adapt to this application. Any suggestions? Gary 1969 TR6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From seaCubeCo at aol.com Wed May 12 11:48:10 2010 From: seaCubeCo at aol.com (Seacubeco) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:48:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit rear brakes In-Reply-To: <868675.42036.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <100717.68316.qm@web180312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <005a01caf1d9$5998e4f0$0ccaaed0$@com> <868675.42036.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FED1B19-D015-4C88-B832-5E629A6360D8@aol.com> But if you vaccum bleed them you want the bleed screws on the bottom. Attach a piece of hose to the bleed screw that is cracked open. Put the other end in a can of fluid. Hook a vaccum to the master cylinder and there you go. Works best on a completly dry empty system. I personally will NEVER do this. But I am sure someone will or has tried Chris Sent from my IPhone On May 12, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Tim Pettenati wrote: > Last night I returned the backing plates to the correct orientation, > with the > wheel cylinders at the top. Easier job than I thought. Bleed the > brakes again > and all is well. > > Thanks for the advise. > > Tim Pettenati > > > ________________________________ > From: Clark W. Nicholls > To: Tim Pettenati ; FoT Triumph > > Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 6:45:13 AM > Subject: RE: [Fot] Spit rear brakes > > Some > folks have the notion that air in the brake lines will come out the > bottom of > the cylilnder. > A friend restored a Camaro and put the left caliper on the > right side and > the right on the left because he thought the bleeder should be > on the > bottom. > Duh. > That doesn't work. > Best put the backing plates where they > belong. > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 > needing restoration) > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 12 11:54:40 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:54:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel In-Reply-To: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CCC01354401A9F-748-14E7@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com> Gary The JOHN DEERE LAWN & GARDEN TRACTORS have one that is about 13". They are very nice and Mr. Kramer says that our employee cost is about $16.00. It has a splined hub but will it fit? It WOULD be fun to find out. I owe you a call, dont I? Joe -----Original Message----- From: Gary Horstkorta To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:41 am Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel Hello: I have what I think is a stock steering wheel in my street TR6. It is a six olt pattern and measures 14" in diameter. Problem - there is not enough oom in the foot box so I have to angle my knees to the sides when I'm eated but my knees still contact the steering wheel. I've been looking for maller steering wheel (approx. 13" diameter) in the usual Brit parts atalogs but have not found one. I don't need an expensive, wood grain ardi or Momo model but would prefer a moderately priced version, even one rom a non-automotive supplier I could adapt to this application. Any uggestions? Gary 1969 TR6 ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 12 12:22:36 2010 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:22:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel In-Reply-To: <8CCC01354401A9F-748-14E7@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com> References: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> <8CCC01354401A9F-748-14E7@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: As a construction dealership I think we can get the parts, but a PN would help. Even though we can get some other Deere part, our parts system is limited to the big iron. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell It's not what you've got, it's what you use that makes a difference. Zig Ziglar -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:55 PM To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering wheel Gary The JOHN DEERE LAWN & GARDEN TRACTORS have one that is about 13". They are very nice and Mr. Kramer says that our employee cost is about $16.00. It has a splined hub but will it fit? It WOULD be fun to find out. I owe you a call, dont I? Joe -----Original Message----- From: Gary Horstkorta To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:41 am Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel Hello: I have what I think is a stock steering wheel in my street TR6. It is a six olt pattern and measures 14" in diameter. Problem - there is not enough oom in the foot box so I have to angle my knees to the sides when I'm eated but my knees still contact the steering wheel. I've been looking for maller steering wheel (approx. 13" diameter) in the usual Brit parts atalogs but have not found one. I don't need an expensive, wood grain ardi or Momo model but would prefer a moderately priced version, even one rom a non-automotive supplier I could adapt to this application. Any uggestions? Gary 1969 TR6 ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From tr6driver at yahoo.com Wed May 12 13:36:06 2010 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 12:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel In-Reply-To: References: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> <8CCC01354401A9F-748-14E7@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <569428.93258.qm@web52507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> M142218 is current x300 steering wheel, M142219 is the cover. And thank you for nominating me and accepting me into FOT today! Jamie Palmer ________________________________ From: "Kramer, Robert" To: "n197tr4 at cs.com" ; "vintage.racer at comcast.net" ; "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 2:22:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering wheel As a construction dealership I think we can get the parts, but a PN would help. Even though we can get some other Deere part, our parts system is limited to the big iron. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell It's not what you've got, it's what you use that makes a difference. Zig Ziglar -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:55 PM To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering wheel Gary The JOHN DEERE LAWN & GARDEN TRACTORS have one that is about 13". They are very nice and Mr. Kramer says that our employee cost is about $16.00. It has a splined hub but will it fit? It WOULD be fun to find out. I owe you a call, dont I? Joe -----Original Message----- From: Gary Horstkorta To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:41 am Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel Hello: I have what I think is a stock steering wheel in my street TR6. It is a six olt pattern and measures 14" in diameter. Problem - there is not enough oom in the foot box so I have to angle my knees to the sides when I'm eated but my knees still contact the steering wheel. I've been looking for maller steering wheel (approx. 13" diameter) in the usual Brit parts atalogs but have not found one. I don't need an expensive, wood grain ardi or Momo model but would prefer a moderately priced version, even one rom a non-automotive supplier I could adapt to this application. Any uggestions? Gary 1969 TR6 ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 12 13:43:51 2010 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 14:43:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel In-Reply-To: <569428.93258.qm@web52507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> <8CCC01354401A9F-748-14E7@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com> <569428.93258.qm@web52507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: FWIW: M142218 retails for $50.84 and M142219 for $10.16. My employee purchase cost is right at $40.00. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell It's not what you've got, it's what you use that makes a difference. Zig Ziglar ________________________________ From: Jamie Palmer [mailto:tr6driver at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:36 PM To: Kramer, Robert Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering wheel M142218 is current x300 steering wheel, M142219 is the cover. And thank you for nominating me and accepting me into FOT today! Jamie Palmer ________________________________ From: "Kramer, Robert" To: "n197tr4 at cs.com" ; "vintage.racer at comcast.net" ; "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 2:22:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering wheel As a construction dealership I think we can get the parts, but a PN would help. Even though we can get some other Deere part, our parts system is limited to the big iron. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell It's not what you've got, it's what you use that makes a difference. Zig Ziglar -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:55 PM To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering wheel Gary The JOHN DEERE LAWN & GARDEN TRACTORS have one that is about 13". They are very nice and Mr. Kramer says that our employee cost is about $16.00. It has a splined hub but will it fit? It WOULD be fun to find out. I owe you a call, dont I? Joe -----Original Message----- From: Gary Horstkorta > To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:41 am Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel Hello: I have what I think is a stock steering wheel in my street TR6. It is a six olt pattern and measures 14" in diameter. Problem - there is not enough oom in the foot box so I have to angle my knees to the sides when I'm eated but my knees still contact the steering wheel. I've been looking for maller steering wheel (approx. 13" diameter) in the usual Brit parts atalogs but have not found one. I don't need an expensive, wood grain ardi or Momo model but would prefer a moderately priced version, even one rom a non-automotive supplier I could adapt to this application. Any uggestions? Gary 1969 TR6 ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From gaf3 at charter.net Fri May 14 07:33:31 2010 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 09:33:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan In-Reply-To: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> References: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> Message-ID: <4BED512B.7010405@charter.net> Group Thanks for all the advice on managing the thrust washer issue on this TR6 engine. Following Geoff Byrne's advice, I fired up my trusty Atlas lathe and went to work. I machined a counterbore in the scored cap to accept a new bronze full circle thrust washer also machined on the lathe. The attachment to the cap will me made with brass countersunk machine screws. Plan is to see if the rear thrust washers conform to the scored, but somewhat smooth, crank thrust surface. The owner wants to drive it this summer. Also monitor end play and pull the engine in the fall if it becomes excessive and grind the crank. It's not all complete but making good progress. Thanks again Glenn Glenn Franco wrote: > Group > I've been working on a friends 74 TR6 and we discovered lots of crank > end play. > I checked the end play because he was complaining of hard shifts or > grinding while putting the trans in reverse. > I removed the pan and found the thrust washers in the oil pan.. > I've run into large end play issues with the TR6's but this is the > first I've seen in the pan. > > Understanding that this is a common malady with the TR6, I ordered a > few sets of oversize thrust washers. > Don't think there is enough material in a .025" oversize bearing to > fix the problem. > > I pulled the bearing cap and didn't see major wear in the thrust face > of the crank. I will need to do a closer inspection of the block > > Anyone out there seen a reasonable/simple fix for this problem? > > Thanks in advance > Glenn Franco > TR6's, 250 and Spit racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From jmwagner at greenheart.com Thu May 13 14:32:42 2010 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:32:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Justin: 2010 Mille Miglia Images Message-ID: <4BEC61EA.3010309@greenheart.com> Some great cars.... you can click on photos to see larger or even scroll through the larger images. --Justin 2010 Mille Miglia - IMAGES http://www.supercars.net/gallery/119513/2416/5.html The Mille Miglia Website http://www.1000miglia.eu/inglese/home.html From mark at bradakis.com Sat May 15 17:57:14 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 17:57:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] List notes and such Message-ID: <4BEF34DA.1060009@bradakis.com> Taking a break, I need to recharge the battery for my worklight so I can try to see where the coolant drip in this TR6 originates. What fun. I think I have gotten around to adding all the recent nominees to the list. Some are already familiar with Team.Net, as I believe that Jamie Palmer is also on a few other lists, like triumphs, 6pack, 2000-register and italia. Some are busy, some lists are not. This one isn't too bad. For those of you not aware, these email lists do not just appear by magic, there is a man behind the curtain making sure it stays on the air, so to speak. I don't think I posted my spring fund drive message Fools and Funding on this list which gives a bit of insight into things. If interested, you can read it from the archives at http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/shop-talk/2010-04/msg00000.html While we often quip that the FOT has no formal orginisation and no rules, there are some guidelines regarding email messages. Most of them relate to spam prevention, virus protection and efforts to not overflow peoples' mailboxes with unneeded cruft. So there are size limits on messages, and attachments are not passed on. No pictures in the email, though one can do so in the Team.Net forums - but no FOT forum. I may provide an example making use of both later this evening. Right now I need to go get the charcoal started, I've got a small pork roast I'll be doing in the Weber kettle. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 17 15:37:35 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 23:37:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort In-Reply-To: <4BEF34DA.1060009@bradakis.com> References: <4BEF34DA.1060009@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <000c01caf609$2cccfa90$8666efb0$@com> The first seasons race took place at Zandvoort. Have fun: http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5472354499971503794 Chris From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 17 19:06:03 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 21:06:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] RAMADA INN is Host Hotel for Kastner Cup-August Message-ID: <8CCC43D6C204188-1A24-70C4@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com> Topeka's Ramada Inn is sponsoring a dinner at the hotel on Thursday night. This will be for all entrants, crew, and support people who are registered at the hotel. This is in addition to the negotiated rate....take advantage of it....tell them who you are. It wouldnt hurt to get your reservations and entries out of the way. I dont think refunds will be an issue and you might save a late fee. There are a lot of people in the area that are going the extra mile for us..... Thanks! Joe A From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 17 22:44:16 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 22:44:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] RAMADA INN is Host Hotel for Kastner Cup-August In-Reply-To: <8CCC43D6C204188-1A24-70C4@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCC43D6C204188-1A24-70C4@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4BF21B20.6000407@bradakis.com> Luckily the event is many many months away, no need to start figuring out my travel plans so soon! mjb. From brad.kahler at 141.com Tue May 18 08:48:50 2010 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:48:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] need TR3/4 head stud measurements (ASAP)! Message-ID: Amici, I'm in need of measurements on the length of the 4 different head studs on a TRactor engine. There is a short and long version for under the rocker train and a short and long version for outside the valve cover. I don't have access to the engine right now to measure them so any help would be greatly appreciated! Need the info ASAP!!! Thanks, Brad From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue May 18 09:47:17 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:47:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] need TR3/4 head stud measurements (ASAP)! References: Message-ID: <7F1878FACCFD4F09AD15BD1139DFA573@latitudefb1e41> BPNW lists them on the ordering page under cylinder heads. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:48 AM Subject: [Fot] need TR3/4 head stud measurements (ASAP)! > Amici, > > I'm in need of measurements on the length of the 4 different head > studs on a TRactor engine. > > There is a short and long version for under the rocker train and a > short and long version for outside the valve cover. I don't have > access to the engine right now to measure them so any help would be > greatly appreciated! > > Need the info ASAP!!! > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From brad.kahler at 141.com Tue May 18 09:50:53 2010 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 11:50:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] need TR3/4 head stud measurements (ASAP)! In-Reply-To: <7F1878FACCFD4F09AD15BD1139DFA573@latitudefb1e41> References: <7F1878FACCFD4F09AD15BD1139DFA573@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: Thanks Bob! That gave me the info I needed and the ones I need are on their way. Brad On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > BPNW lists them on the ordering page under cylinder heads. > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" > To: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:48 AM > Subject: [Fot] need TR3/4 head stud measurements (ASAP)! > > >> Amici, >> >> I'm in need of measurements on the length of the 4 different head >> studs on a TRactor engine. >> >> There is a short and long version for under the rocker train and a >> short and long version for outside the valve cover. I don't have >> access to the engine right now to measure them so any help would be >> greatly appreciated! >> >> Need the info ASAP!!! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From jhd11 at hotmail.com Tue May 18 09:50:31 2010 From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:50:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder Message-ID: Looking at buying a rechargeable transponder. Thinking of rechargeable to use in multiple cars. Any opinions, pro or con, before I make the purchase? Thanks in advance. Joe Downer Charlotte N.C. RiffRAF Racing _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue May 18 10:41:17 2010 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 09:41:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nominee Message-ID: <001c01caf6a8$f08fb950$d1af2bf0$@racer@comcast.net> Hello All: I'd like to nominate a friend of mine and true gearhead, Alan Prentiss. Alan is a current TR6 owner but considering the list of all the British cars he's owned, he should have been a car dealer. In the past he has owned the following Triumphs: a 1968 TR4A, a 1963 TR4, and a 1967 TR4A. He has also owned 2 Morris Minors, 1 Mini Cooper S (1967), 2 MGB's, 2 Bugeye Sprites, 1 Jaguar and 1 Triumph Bonneville Motorcycle. He currently races a Crossle Formula Ford with the SCCA and before that, a Genie Mk 10 and a Mustang in vintage events, both of which he restored. To top it off, Alan is the parts manager for a large auto/truck dealership in western Nevada. Do I have a second? Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 18 11:07:53 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:07:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder References: Message-ID: <16B7610355794DB5AFB8EDC9E7CFB331@Bud> I suggest a hard wired transponder..just wire some connectors into each car.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Henry" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 8:50 AM Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder > Looking at buying a rechargeable transponder. Thinking of > rechargeable > to use in multiple cars. Any opinions, pro or con, before I make the > purchase? Thanks in advance. > > Joe Downer > Charlotte N.C. > RiffRAF Racing > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL > :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue May 18 11:38:08 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:38:08 GMT Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder Message-ID: <20100518.133808.29764.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> The big disadvantage of the rechargeable ones are that you need to remember to charge them. I obtained one from a spec Miata racer that went to a hard wired one after either forgetting to charge it once too many times or forgetting it at home too often. I used it go-karting and we often forgot to charge it until we were on the way to the track. Made do with an hours charge with the car charger. With the hard wired ones there is nothing to forget. If properly placed and wired they work great. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Joe Henry To: Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:50:31 +0000 Looking at buying a rechargeable transponder. Thinking of rechargeable to use in multiple cars. Any opinions, pro or con, before I make the purchase? Thanks in advance. Joe Downer Charlotte N.C. RiffRAF Racing _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf2d0e46d76f50bf42st06duc From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue May 18 11:44:58 2010 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:44:58 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nominee In-Reply-To: <001c01caf6a8$f08fb950$d1af2bf0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <051820101744.7229.4BF2D21A0003F70A00001C3D22230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Gary, You only nominate the best so if you recommend him he is got to be ok. I second. Ron Jacobs -------------- Original message from "Gary Horstkorta" : -------------- > Hello All: > > > > I'd like to nominate a friend of mine and true gearhead, Alan Prentiss. > Alan is a current TR6 owner but considering the list of all the British cars > he's owned, he should have been a car dealer. In the past he has owned the > following Triumphs: a 1968 TR4A, a 1963 TR4, and a 1967 TR4A. He has also > owned 2 Morris Minors, 1 Mini Cooper S (1967), 2 MGB's, 2 Bugeye Sprites, 1 > Jaguar and 1 Triumph Bonneville Motorcycle. He currently races a Crossle > Formula Ford with the SCCA and before that, a Genie Mk 10 and a Mustang in > vintage events, both of which he restored. To top it off, Alan is the parts > manager for a large auto/truck dealership in western Nevada. Do I have a > second? > > > > Gary > > > > 1962 TR4 > > 1969 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/westerneagleracing at att.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue May 18 12:08:36 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 18:08:36 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Message-ID: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Friends, not trying to brag (too much), but wanted to share that TR3s can still win at SCCA National races. I raced at Lime Rock this past weekend and came away with a 1st in EP. My previous best finish at a National was a 3rd. I qualified 8th overall and 2nd in EP with a 1:00.918, compared to the pole sitter at 0:58.911 and the lead EP car (an RX7) at 0:59.311. I caught my 1st break when the EP BMW 325i starting right behind me did not show to the grid. He had brake problems that they could not fix in time. My strategy was to drive the race at my pace and could easily take 2nd place, but also hope for the RX7 to somehow come up short. which it later did. With the RX7 1.5 seconds faster than me, I would not be able to keep up with him for too long. I had a great start, but within a couple of laps lost a few spots to some STU cars that pushed their way in front of me. A few laps later I got back by them all and then just had to deal with lapped traffic (lapped some 5 or 6 times) and chasing the leaders. With a few laps to go, my son radioed me that the RX7 was slowing and to keep charging. Last lap I passed the RX7 at the up-hill, taking the EP win. A 54 year old Triumph outlasted a Mazda and a BMW. A Miata was 3rd in EP, 2 laps down. I also got to my fastest race time at LRP with a 1:00.762. This shows that sometimes old British iron (with lots of fiberglass around it) can win against those with much more power and technology. I thought about focusing on more SCCA Nationals, based on this win, but I don't think that is in the cards for this year. Will keep developing the car and perhaps someday get to the Runoffs. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf2d7dde2b2c521289st05duc From wensley_tr at comcast.net Tue May 18 12:36:18 2010 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 14:36:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nominee In-Reply-To: <001c01caf6a8$f08fb950$d1af2bf0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <001c01caf6a8$f08fb950$d1af2bf0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000301caf6b9$01aeb550$050c1ff0$@net> I'll second that Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:41 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Nominee Hello All: I'd like to nominate a friend of mine and true gearhead, Alan Prentiss. Alan is a current TR6 owner but considering the list of all the British cars he's owned, he should have been a car dealer. In the past he has owned the following Triumphs: a 1968 TR4A, a 1963 TR4, and a 1967 TR4A. He has also owned 2 Morris Minors, 1 Mini Cooper S (1967), 2 MGB's, 2 Bugeye Sprites, 1 Jaguar and 1 Triumph Bonneville Motorcycle. He currently races a Crossle Formula Ford with the SCCA and before that, a Genie Mk 10 and a Mustang in vintage events, both of which he restored. To top it off, Alan is the parts manager for a large auto/truck dealership in western Nevada. Do I have a second? Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue May 18 13:01:10 2010 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 14:01:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder References: Message-ID: I agree with Bud and Joe. I put a hardwired transponder in my car, and wired it directly to my kill switch. The concept is, if the car is on, the transponder is on. Never have to fuss with charging it or remembering to put it in. If I plan not to use it for a long time (last year I didn't race, just autocrossed), I take out the line fuse. If you're planning to swap it around multiple cars, then just set it up with easy disconnects. Actually, the line fuse itself is an easy disconnect for the hot wire. Your easy disconnect for the ground may just be a sheet metal screw and a Phillips-head screwdriver. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Henry" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:50 AM Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder > Looking at buying a rechargeable transponder. Thinking of > rechargeable > to use in multiple cars. Any opinions, pro or con, before I make the > purchase? Thanks in advance. > > Joe Downer > Charlotte N.C. > RiffRAF Racing > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL > :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From garygret at sbcglobal.net Tue May 18 13:26:10 2010 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <137810.67459.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Joe, I considered a rechargeable transponder too for multiple cars but was talked out of it. I'd suggest going for a wired unit and an inline connector if you need to switch cars. (My wife and I shared one for a year, then bought a second transponder.) 1. They take a few days to charge. You must remember to plug it into the AC adapter by Wednesday if you're headed out to a race Friday. Experience shows an overnight charge at the track will not get you through the day. And Murphy says you'll forget. 2. They never turn off so you have to recharge them each use. Therefore in and out of the car constantly. 3. They are a sealed unit. You have to rip the case apart yourself or send it in to get the battery replaced. Midwestern Council bought 24 rental units in 2003 and the batteries were mostly gone a few years ago. Regards, Gary Schneider ________________________________ From: Joe Henry To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 10:50:31 AM Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder Looking at buying a rechargeable transponder. Thinking of rechargeable to use in multiple cars. Any opinions, pro or con, before I make the purchase? Thanks in advance. Joe Downer Charlotte N.C. RiffRAF Racing _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue May 18 13:27:37 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:27:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National In-Reply-To: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> References: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <091301caf6c0$2d24ca60$876e5f20$@rr.com> > A 54 year old Triumph outlasted a Mazda > and a BMW. All right Joe ! You da MAN !! -- Randall From fasttrs at yahoo.com Tue May 18 13:33:23 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Message-ID: <667788.19499.qm@web46114.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> That is awesome Joe! I know first hand how hard it is to win against all the newer faster cars in SCCA. Great story, thanks for sharing and Congratulations!!! Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2010, at 6:08 PM, "Joe Boruch" wrote: Friends, not trying to brag (too much), but wanted to share that TR3s can still win at SCCA National races. I raced at Lime Rock this past weekend and came away with a 1st in EP. My previous best finish at a National was a 3rd. I qualified 8th overall and 2nd in EP with a 1:00.918, compared to the pole sitter at 0:58.911 and the lead EP car (an RX7) at 0:59.311. I caught my 1st break when the EP BMW 325i starting right behind me did not show to the grid. He had brake problems that they could not fix in time. My strategy was to drive the race at my pace and could easily take 2nd place, but also hope for the RX7 to somehow come up short. which it later did. With the RX7 1.5 seconds faster than me, I would not be able to keep up with him for too long. I had a great start, but within a couple of laps lost a few spots to some STU cars that pushed their way in front of me. A few laps later I got back by them all and then just had to deal with lapped traffic (lapped some 5 or 6 times) and chasing the leaders. With a few laps to go, my son radioed me that the RX7 was slowing and to keep charging. Last lap I passed the RX7 at the up-hill, taking the EP win. A 54 year old Triumph outlasted a Mazda and a BMW. A Miata was 3rd in EP, 2 laps down. I also got to my fastest race time at LRP with a 1:00.762. This shows that sometimes old British iron (with lots of fiberglass around it) can win against those with much more power and technology. I thought about focusing on more SCCA Nationals, based on this win, but I don't think that is in the cards for this year. Will keep developing the car and perhaps someday get to the Runoffs. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf2d7dde2b2c521289st05duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From atr6racer at hotmail.com Tue May 18 15:03:03 2010 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:03:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National In-Reply-To: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> References: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Congratulations Joe! I know how hard you work on your car and you cetainly belong in the winner's circle. EP is certainly a tough class and registering a win with an old Triumph deserves some back slapping! Way to go Joe! Sam Halkias > From: jaboruch at netzero.net > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 18:08:36 +0000 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National > > Friends, not trying to brag (too much), but wanted to share that TR3s can > still win at SCCA National races. I raced at Lime Rock this past weekend and > came away with a 1st in EP. My previous best finish at a National was a 3rd. > > I qualified 8th overall and 2nd in EP with a 1:00.918, compared to the pole > sitter at 0:58.911 and the lead EP car (an RX7) at 0:59.311. I caught my 1st > break when the EP BMW 325i starting right behind me did not show to the grid. > He had brake problems that they could not fix in time. My strategy was to > drive the race at my pace and could easily take 2nd place, but also hope for > the RX7 to somehow come up short. which it later did. With the RX7 1.5 > seconds faster than me, I would not be able to keep up with him for too long. > I had a great start, but within a couple of laps lost a few spots to some STU > cars that pushed their way in front of me. A few laps later I got back by > them all and then just had to deal with lapped traffic (lapped some 5 or 6 > times) and chasing the leaders. With a few laps to go, my son radioed me that > the RX7 was slowing and to keep charging. Last lap I passed the RX7 at the > up-hill, taking the EP win. A 54 year old Triumph outlasted a Mazda and a > BMW. A Miata was 3rd in EP, 2 laps down. I also got to my fastest race time > at LRP with a 1:00.762. This shows that sometimes old British iron (with lots > of fiberglass around it) can win against those with much more power and > technology. > > I thought about focusing on more SCCA Nationals, based on this win, but I > don't think that is in the cards for this year. Will keep developing the car > and perhaps someday get to the Runoffs. Joe(B) > > ____________________________________________________________ > Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! > $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf2d7dde2b2c521289st05duc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/atr6racer at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 From BillDentin at aol.com Tue May 18 16:20:45 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 18:20:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Message-ID: <87cea.67bb29cc.39246cbd@aol.com> HOORAY for our side!!! Way ta go Joe! Bill Dentinger From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue May 18 18:43:09 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 19:43:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National In-Reply-To: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> References: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <004301caf6ec$4137a140$c3a6e3c0$@rr.com> Heck Joe some of us have a hard time keeping one running for a vintage weekend. Great job. I know you must spend countless hours preparing that car. Keep up the excellent work. I'd love some pictures of your car. Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Boruch Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 1:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Friends, not trying to brag (too much), but wanted to share that TR3s can still win at SCCA National races. I raced at Lime Rock this past weekend and came away with a 1st in EP. My previous best finish at a National was a 3rd. I qualified 8th overall and 2nd in EP with a 1:00.918, compared to the pole sitter at 0:58.911 and the lead EP car (an RX7) at 0:59.311. I caught my 1st break when the EP BMW 325i starting right behind me did not show to the grid. He had brake problems that they could not fix in time. My strategy was to drive the race at my pace and could easily take 2nd place, but also hope for the RX7 to somehow come up short. which it later did. With the RX7 1.5 seconds faster than me, I would not be able to keep up with him for too long. I had a great start, but within a couple of laps lost a few spots to some STU cars that pushed their way in front of me. A few laps later I got back by them all and then just had to deal with lapped traffic (lapped some 5 or 6 times) and chasing the leaders. With a few laps to go, my son radioed me that the RX7 was slowing and to keep charging. Last lap I passed the RX7 at the up-hill, taking the EP win. A 54 year old Triumph outlasted a Mazda and a BMW. A Miata was 3rd in EP, 2 laps down. I also got to my fastest race time at LRP with a 1:00.762. This shows that sometimes old British iron (with lots of fiberglass around it) can win against those with much more power and technology. I thought about focusing on more SCCA Nationals, based on this win, but I don't think that is in the cards for this year. Will keep developing the car and perhaps someday get to the Runoffs. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf2d7dde2b2c521289st05duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue May 18 18:59:47 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:59:47 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Message-ID: <33096265.1274230788033.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Sweet! -----Original Message----- >From: BillDentin at aol.com >Sent: May 18, 2010 3:20 PM >To: jaboruch at netzero.net, fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National > >HOORAY for our side!!! > >Way ta go Joe! > >Bill Dentinger >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue May 18 19:45:16 2010 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 21:45:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT6 front hubs Message-ID: I replaced the front wheel bearings last winter, after the inside left one cooked last year. At the time I thought it was brake heat. I had the car out for about two hours of track time last week, and noticed the same wheel was loosening up, adjusted the bearing, torqued the spindle, got through the day, but thought I better pull it apart before I took it out again this weekend. What I found astounded me - the inside bearing race - the one that press fits into the hub - was rattling around, with easily 1/32 clearance. The bearing race is the correct dimension, the race from the other hub fits the same (loose) way in this hub and snug in the right hub, so the only thing I can figure is the race spun and wore down the hub or pounded it out of shape. The grease is black but no real sign of metal filings. Clearly I need a replacement hub (this weekend's race is not looking good at the moment - always the spare you don't have on hand), but I'm just wondering what caused this that I should have looked for. I recall the race being a snug fit when I put it in, but maybe not. Anyone experience this? While I'm at it, this could be an excuse to upgrade to aluminum hubs. Anyone have any experience with any particular supplier, pro or con? Any benefits or drawbacks? From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue May 18 19:59:58 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 18:59:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National In-Reply-To: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <25C05980143942578D14FB47048297D1@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Congrat's Joe - National wins are something special. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Boruch Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 11:09 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Friends, not trying to brag (too much), but wanted to share that TR3s can still win at SCCA National races. I raced at Lime Rock this past weekend and came away with a 1st in EP. My previous best finish at a National was a 3rd. I qualified 8th overall and 2nd in EP with a 1:00.918, compared to the pole sitter at 0:58.911 and the lead EP car (an RX7) at 0:59.311. I caught my 1st break when the EP BMW 325i starting right behind me did not show to the grid. He had brake problems that they could not fix in time. My strategy was to drive the race at my pace and could easily take 2nd place, but also hope for the RX7 to somehow come up short. which it later did. With the RX7 1.5 seconds faster than me, I would not be able to keep up with him for too long. I had a great start, but within a couple of laps lost a few spots to some STU cars that pushed their way in front of me. A few laps later I got back by them all and then just had to deal with lapped traffic (lapped some 5 or 6 times) and chasing the leaders. With a few laps to go, my son radioed me that the RX7 was slowing and to keep charging. Last lap I passed the RX7 at the up-hill, taking the EP win. A 54 year old Triumph outlasted a Mazda and a BMW. A Miata was 3rd in EP, 2 laps down. I also got to my fastest race time at LRP with a 1:00.762. This shows that sometimes old British iron (with lots of fiberglass around it) can win against those with much more power and technology. I thought about focusing on more SCCA Nationals, based on this win, but I don't think that is in the cards for this year. Will keep developing the car and perhaps someday get to the Runoffs. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf2d7dde2b2c521289st05duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue May 18 20:32:49 2010 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 22:32:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National In-Reply-To: <004301caf6ec$4137a140$c3a6e3c0$@rr.com> References: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> <004301caf6ec$4137a140$c3a6e3c0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4BF34DD1.9020402@blacksburg.net> On 5/18/2010 8:43 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > Heck Joe some of us have a hard time keeping one running for a vintage > weekend. Great job. I know you must spend countless hours preparing that > car. Keep up the excellent work. > > I'd love some pictures of your car. > > Greg > > Great job Joe! We'd all love to see pix of the car, why not post some to the team.net Forum pages? Maybe Mordy can post some on the FoT site. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue May 18 21:05:40 2010 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 21:05:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National In-Reply-To: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> References: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Add in my Congratulations.......................Cheers Henry Morrison, New Mexico > From: jaboruch at netzero.net > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 18:08:36 +0000 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National > > Friends, not trying to brag (too much), but wanted to share that TR3s can > still win at SCCA National races. I raced at Lime Rock this past weekend and > came away with a 1st in EP. My previous best finish at a National was a 3rd. > > I qualified 8th overall and 2nd in EP with a 1:00.918, compared to the pole > sitter at 0:58.911 and the lead EP car (an RX7) at 0:59.311. I caught my 1st > break when the EP BMW 325i starting right behind me did not show to the grid. > He had brake problems that they could not fix in time. My strategy was to > drive the race at my pace and could easily take 2nd place, but also hope for > the RX7 to somehow come up short. which it later did. With the RX7 1.5 > seconds faster than me, I would not be able to keep up with him for too long. > I had a great start, but within a couple of laps lost a few spots to some STU > cars that pushed their way in front of me. A few laps later I got back by > them all and then just had to deal with lapped traffic (lapped some 5 or 6 > times) and chasing the leaders. With a few laps to go, my son radioed me that > the RX7 was slowing and to keep charging. Last lap I passed the RX7 at the > up-hill, taking the EP win. A 54 year old Triumph outlasted a Mazda and a > BMW. A Miata was 3rd in EP, 2 laps down. I also got to my fastest race time > at LRP with a 1:00.762. This shows that sometimes old British iron (with lots > of fiberglass around it) can win against those with much more power and > technology. > > I thought about focusing on more SCCA Nationals, based on this win, but I > don't think that is in the cards for this year. Will keep developing the car > and perhaps someday get to the Runoffs. Joe(B) > > ____________________________________________________________ > Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! > $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf2d7dde2b2c521289st05duc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com From chasgee at aol.com Wed May 19 01:15:28 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 03:15:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT6 front hubs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCC53A31E8ED0F-FB4-6D31@webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com> Hi Scott, Go here for aluminum hubs: http://www.chequeredflagracing.net/ Joe's hubs are very well made and considerably lighter than the stock steel versions. I'd upgrade the spindles as well because they are considerably stiffer than stock. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 6:45 pm Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT6 front hubs I replaced the front wheel bearings last winter, after the inside left ne cooked last year. At the time I thought it was brake heat. I had he car out for about two hours of track time last week, and noticed he same wheel was loosening up, adjusted the bearing, torqued the pindle, got through the day, but thought I better pull it apart efore I took it out again this weekend. What I found astounded me - he inside bearing race - the one that press fits into the hub - was attling around, with easily 1/32 clearance. The bearing race is the orrect dimension, the race from the other hub fits the same (loose) ay in this hub and snug in the right hub, so the only thing I can igure is the race spun and wore down the hub or pounded it out of hape. The grease is black but no real sign of metal filings. Clearly I need a replacement hub (this weekend's race is not looking ood at the moment - always the spare you don't have on hand), but I'm ust wondering what caused this that I should have looked for. I ecall the race being a snug fit when I put it in, but maybe not. nyone experience this? While I'm at it, this could be an excuse to upgrade to aluminum hubs. nyone have any experience with any particular supplier, pro or con? ny benefits or drawbacks? ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Wed May 19 06:09:57 2010 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 05:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Bob Kramer Message-ID: <861541.1690.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Sorry to take up space in everyone's inbox. Bob Kramer, please contact me off the list. Thanks, Ernie From BillDentin at aol.com Wed May 19 13:08:58 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 15:08:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] Vintage GT Challenge at ROAD AMERICA Message-ID: <25a4.41c2b65c.3925914a@aol.com> Amici... Not sure if there was anyone else, but Tony Drews, John Fridirici and I raced with SVRA at ROAD AMERICA last week end. Tony went FAST, I went half fast, and poor Fridirici trashed a fresh engine on the first lap of the first session. Not sure, but I suspect a 'repaired' head could not take some added compression. Racing is not for the faint of heart. A Datsun mechanic dropped by our paddock during the week end, and indicated he has a TR6 engine, tranny, and overdrive unit in his shop that is from a project that never went ahead. He wants to get rid of it for $400. I have not seen it, have no idea of its condition, and have no commercial interest here. If anyone wants to check it out, he is located near Milwaukee, Wisconsin. His name is Dean Champeau, and his telephone number is 262/367-3483. Bill Dentinger From BillDentin at aol.com Wed May 19 13:18:30 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 15:18:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] Vintage GP Challenge at ROAD AMERICA (reprise) Message-ID: <302e.6321470.39259386@aol.com> Amici... I forgot to mention that Joe Alexander was up at ROAD AMERICA as well, and he brought his freshly restored AMBRO, on his brand new trailer. Both are really classy and got a lot of attention from the crowd. Dave Kettler, Kent Howard, Ernie Husmann, and a whole bunch of other TRIUMPH aficionados were there as well. Good Wine & Cheese parties every night, and Victory Banquets at exotic places like Schwarz's in St. Anna, and Antoinette's (sp?) in Plymouth. Bill (Damdinger) From bownes at seiri.com Wed May 19 14:28:59 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 16:28:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage GP Challenge at ROAD AMERICA (reprise) In-Reply-To: <302e.6321470.39259386@aol.com> References: <302e.6321470.39259386@aol.com> Message-ID: Ooooooohhhhhhhh Schwarz's......That's almost enough to make me wish I lived in Wisconsin again. On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:18 PM, wrote: > Amici... > > I forgot to mention that Joe Alexander was up at ROAD AMERICA as well, and > he brought his freshly restored AMBRO, on his brand new trailer. Both are > really classy and got a lot of attention from the crowd. > > Dave Kettler, Kent Howard, Ernie Husmann, and a whole bunch of other > TRIUMPH aficionados were there as well. Good Wine & Cheese parties every > night, > and Victory Banquets at exotic places like Schwarz's in St. Anna, and > Antoinette's (sp?) in Plymouth. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From spitlist at cox.net Wed May 19 14:48:08 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 13:48:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage GT Challenge at ROAD AMERICA In-Reply-To: <25a4.41c2b65c.3925914a@aol.com> References: <25a4.41c2b65c.3925914a@aol.com> Message-ID: <3492628596574EF18EC47A7EF33A8CAB@joepentiumnew> The overdrive by itself is probably worth the $400.00. I bet it doesn't sit very long before someone snatches it up. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Vintage GT Challenge at ROAD AMERICA Amici... Not sure if there was anyone else, but Tony Drews, John Fridirici and I raced with SVRA at ROAD AMERICA last week end. Tony went FAST, I went half fast, and poor Fridirici trashed a fresh engine on the first lap of the first session. Not sure, but I suspect a 'repaired' head could not take some added compression. Racing is not for the faint of heart. A Datsun mechanic dropped by our paddock during the week end, and indicated he has a TR6 engine, tranny, and overdrive unit in his shop that is from a project that never went ahead. He wants to get rid of it for $400. I have not seen it, have no idea of its condition, and have no commercial interest here. If anyone wants to check it out, he is located near Milwaukee, Wisconsin. His name is Dean Champeau, and his telephone number is 262/367-3483. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From BillDentin at aol.com Wed May 19 15:09:34 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:09:34 EDT Subject: [Fot] Vintage GP Challenge at ROAD AMERICA (reprise) Message-ID: In a message dated 05/19/2010 3:29:01 PM Central Daylight Time, bownes at seiri.com writes: > Ooooooohhhhhhhh Schwarz's......That's almost enough to make me wish I > lived in Wisconsin again. > An absolutely WORLD CLASS steak/chop house in the middle of nowhere. Well, actually it's in Wisconsin's 'holy land'. All the cities in the area have names like St. Anna, St. Michael's, St. Nazianz And you order a drink and its twice as big as anywhere else and only two-thirds the price. Bill (Damdinger) From bownes at seiri.com Wed May 19 15:39:30 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:39:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage GT Challenge at ROAD AMERICA In-Reply-To: <3492628596574EF18EC47A7EF33A8CAB@joepentiumnew> References: <25a4.41c2b65c.3925914a@aol.com> <3492628596574EF18EC47A7EF33A8CAB@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: I'd take it for the engine alone if I had a way to get it home. :/ On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > The overdrive by itself is probably worth the $400.00. > > I bet it doesn't sit very long before someone snatches it up. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:09 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Vintage GT Challenge at ROAD AMERICA > > Amici... > > Not sure if there was anyone else, but Tony Drews, John Fridirici and I > raced with SVRA at ROAD AMERICA last week end. Tony went FAST, I went half > fast, and poor Fridirici trashed a fresh engine on the first lap of the > first > session. Not sure, but I suspect a 'repaired' head could not take some > added > compression. Racing is not for the faint of heart. > > A Datsun mechanic dropped by our paddock during the week end, and indicated > he has a TR6 engine, tranny, and overdrive unit in his shop that is from a > project that never went ahead. He wants to get rid of it for $400. I have > not seen it, have no idea of its condition, and have no commercial interest > here. If anyone wants to check it out, he is located near Milwaukee, > Wisconsin. His name is Dean Champeau, and his telephone number is > 262/367-3483. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 19 16:06:18 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 18:06:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage GP Challenge at ROAD AMERICA (reprise) In-Reply-To: References: <302e.6321470.39259386@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CCC5B6A3FA17FC-2358-4594@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com> The weather was great, the activities were varied and included a car show. I got 600 miles on the new purpose built small bore car trailer with new tie down design and very pleased. I got about 15 miles of touring time on the AMBRO before a dash ignition wire came adrift....pleased with the AMBRO, too. Nice weekend...looking forward to Blackhawk Farms. Joe -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 3:28 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage GP Challenge at ROAD AMERICA (reprise) Ooooooohhhhhhhh Schwarz's......That's almost enough to make me wish I lived n Wisconsin again. On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:18 PM, wrote: > Amici... I forgot to mention that Joe Alexander was up at ROAD AMERICA as well, and he brought his freshly restored AMBRO, on his brand new trailer. Both are really classy and got a lot of attention from the crowd. Dave Kettler, Kent Howard, Ernie Husmann, and a whole bunch of other TRIUMPH aficionados were there as well. Good Wine & Cheese parties every night, and Victory Banquets at exotic places like Schwarz's in St. Anna, and Antoinette's (sp?) in Plymouth. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From mark at bradakis.com Wed May 19 16:31:05 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 16:31:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Two's company Message-ID: <4BF466A9.9060600@bradakis.com> Just for grins, check out http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=48 And on a side note, I am going to be making a serious effort to get to this year's Kastner Cup race. I found I had another incentive the other day. Back when I was working at Bailey's Pugs gave Ricki, the young apprentice mechanic, a GT6 project. To help him stay enthused I loaned him some of my Triumph books. I won't go into the whole story but the books may or may not be gone. One of them was my autographed copy of Kas' book that had me mentioned in it. So I've got to acquire another copy and take it with me to see if Kas will autograph the replacement. mjb. From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed May 19 16:26:14 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 22:26:14 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Message-ID: <20100519.182614.3447.5@webmail21.dca.untd.com> I am waiting for my son to email me a picture that he took at the National. Most other on track pictures were from professionals and have restrictions about publishing them. My son has posted some youutube video of various races. The only video from this National race was the victory lap taken by him with him in the car. Search cessnan121pp for all his videos on youtube. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Cc: 'Joe Boruch' , fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 22:32:49 -0400 On 5/18/2010 8:43 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > Heck Joe some of us have a hard time keeping one running for a vintage > weekend. Great job. I know you must spend countless hours preparing that > car. Keep up the excellent work. > > I'd love some pictures of your car. > > Greg > > Great job Joe! We'd all love to see pix of the car, why not post some to the team.net Forum pages? Maybe Mordy can post some on the FoT site. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go ____________________________________________________________ Free Penny Stock Alerts Join our free newsletter and get stock alerts that gain up to 3550%! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf465d4f35de560bd3st03duc From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sat May 22 09:46:15 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:46:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil pressure seetings for SBC piston guded rods Message-ID: <00b101caf9c5$ea004440$be00ccc0$@rr.com> Anyone using the Chevy rods with the narrow big end please let me know what oil pressure settings you are using. This past weekend I saw my pressure bleed off from 75psi at idle 80 psi above 2000rpm to 30psi at idle/60psi above 2000rpm after 2 laps in my second race. I skipped Sunday's races because I could not get the cold oil pressure at start up back to 80psi. I will be pulling the pan this weekend to look at bearings, but I am now wondering if I need to be setting the pressure regulator higher, like 100psi, due to the amount of oil that get past the narrow rod bearings. What say the oil pressure gurus. From malaboge at aol.com Sat May 22 16:23:21 2010 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 18:23:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Help Me Obi One... Message-ID: <8CCC814856F79CD-82C-8431@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> Fellow parts changers... Oh I get so disagreeable about the "little stuff". So I haul out a pair of TR calipers, a rebuild kit and some new pistons and settle down for a little "quality time" on the bench. Everything goes well until I open the no-name rebuild kit. The seals seem right, its the right type of dust boot, but why are there springs in there for the pistons like the kits for the late calipers! So I grab another kit off the shelf ...its got the same part # (Moss 583-001) but this one also has the ole Girling number on the box (SP2501). Now I know thats the right Girling number so I figger I'll use this kit...at least it has no springs in it. I know I shouldn't have, but I just couldn't stop myself...the seals in the Girling marked kit are larger than the no name kit. The no-namers seem to be the right size for the piston as they "just" are the same size as the piston od. Now the Girling marked seals fall right off the pistons and seem to be a good 1/8" bigger in diameter. Whats a poor boy to do? So, does anyone have a 16pb (the later metric) piston lying around they can measure? All the stuff in my shop is the earlier 16p stuff. I know there are different part nos for each piston, but are they the same diameter...inquiring minds want to know... Anna a nuther thing...why have the stainless pistons gotten heavier? They're thicker all over compared to the stockers... Those are the brakes... Nick in Nor Cal From seaCubeCo at aol.com Sat May 22 17:31:57 2010 From: seaCubeCo at aol.com (Seacubeco) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:31:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [fot] need help locating parts for mga In-Reply-To: <00b101caf9c5$ea004440$be00ccc0$@rr.com> References: <00b101caf9c5$ea004440$be00ccc0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <033A0264-997C-419D-9015-F92120DE101A@aol.com> Fellow freaks of cars from across the pond My friend just crashed his 58 MGA race car today and I am putting out feelers for parts. So far from guessing we will need body pannels and a frame. I an sure we will needore things but those will get us started Thank you Chris Bock From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sat May 22 20:31:23 2010 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Help Me Obi One... In-Reply-To: <8CCC814856F79CD-82C-8431@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <534342.18888.qm@web111413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> "Whats a poor boy to do?" Nick, I just happened to have the latest Moss Motors catalog lying here next to my keyboard. What I decipher from scanning page 57 is that all A,B & C pistons and seals are the same except in the new replacement "C" calipers which take kit # 583-110. Those are the ones I would suspect are the metric size. Sorry I don't have any metric ones here to measure. I installed the 583-001 kits in the calipers of my TR 3 in '06. Over the winter the brake fluid leaked from the left caliper. I disassembled it and found the seal nearly turned to mush. I called Moss about it. The parts person I spoke to said they no longer sell it due to quality problems. I would suggest not using the kits with that part # unless you are sure they are genuine Girling and not el-cheapo brand. Ken Suhre From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun May 23 06:51:49 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 07:51:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: CVAR at ECR part1 Message-ID: <000a01cafa76$b5b95f30$212c1d90$@rr.com> I guess I got long winded, part = From: Greg & Alison Blake [mailto:ablake2 at austin.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:56 AM To: 'fot at autox.team.net' Cc: 'Robert Blake' Subject: CVAR at ECR Race report for Eagles Canyon last weekend: CVAR was at Eagles Canyon last weekend. Dad got there Friday to get some extra seat time in No. 14 (Ex VARA red TR4). This was his first race weekend since taking his student weekend back in September 09. Unfortunately he only got one practice session in before the rain started. He said by the end of his session it was pouring down rain. He said the car was breaking up over 5000rpm. I got there to clearing skies around 4pm Friday, but they had already called it quits for Friday test and tune. We walked the track and noted several areas where water was leaching through the pavement GREAT. Saturday came and the skies looked like they would let loose at any moment. Luckily we were spared all day, no rain. Bobby Whitehead, Gary Fuqua, and Bob Blake represented FOT in group 7. Gary ran really strong in a group of three, I think he was up with two B sedans. Car looked faster than normal. Bobby was a bit behind mixing it up with another B sedan, think it was a 510, having a good time. Dad was way in back in the first race and the car sounded terrible (more latter). Bill Collins(last name??) was there in his recently acquired Spit in group 2. Bill looked really good. Car sounded good too. Joe Hovey was there too but unfortunately his spit was left at home. I think he has been chewing up bearings lately. I ran the TR3 in group 4 on Sat. The track was still wet for qualifying when I went out for the first time to learn the track. Luckily, Dad and I had noted those wet off camber corners on Friday. They were extremely slick on Sat. There was one, I think it is turn 7 & 8, where you have just scrubbed speed from the 2500 back straight to enter a 90 degree no camber uphill lefthander which transitions to a 90 degree off camber down hill right hander. The tricky part is that the crest of the vertical curve is right were you need to start your turn in for the right hander. You get really light there. To add to the trickery, at the apex of this right hander was one of the worst wet spots on the track. Needless to say, I stayed off the gas through this apex. I qualified 1st for VA and VB but had two formula coopers and a lola in front of me for the start. I did not intend to qualify up there because I am still a bit nervous on starts. I guess that is a good way to get over that fear. At the start, I let the 356 speedster, Healy 106, MGA, and Alfa pass me. I chased for a lap to see how those wet sots were doing. Once settled, I passed the MGA and Alfa on lap two. The 106 and the lola were pulling away as I chased the speedster. We were neck and neck on the straights and bumper to bumper in the turns. This went on for two laps, with me yielding at each corner. I found two places on the track where I know I could pass him clean. The exit to turn 2, and out braking him at the end of the back straight. On lap 3, I decided I would pass him at the end of the back straight. I setup to the inside to out brake him and we both flew past his normal braking point, I guess he knew what I was up to. He ended up way too deep into 7 and I though he would need some extra room to recover so yielded again. We got into 8 a little off line and he did a half spin, while he was recovering, I shot past going into 9 and never saw him again. For the next several laps I was closing the gap with the 106 and the lola, but ran out of time. Turns out I set fastest lap time for VA and VB while chasing the 106. In lap two of the second race I ran into the oil pressure issue posted about earlier so I pulled in. Continued From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun May 23 06:53:02 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 07:53:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CVAR at ECR part 2/2 Message-ID: <000f01cafa76$e18894f0$a499bed0$@rr.com> Part 2/2 Back to #14. Like I said it did not sound good but I did not get a good opportunity to hear it at full tilt. There was about 10 911s running group 7 this weekend and it is difficult to hear a TR motor over those screamers. In the second group 7 race Dad was again falling back and the car did not look fast, the stars aligned and I heard the motor at the end of one of the straights and noticed what Dad was complaining about, it sounded terrible. When he got back to our pit, it was late and the kegs were already tapped. We were pretty thirsty so the car could wait. We hooked up with the rest of the FOT at the kegs and ran into Ed & Josh Barnard. They had been at corner 10 all day. Ed said #14 sounded off. After a few trips to the keg we decided it was time to do some diagnostics, the timing of that decision had nothing to do with the rum cake or floating kegs. We figured out pretty quick that #14 had been running on three cylinders all day. We eliminated electrical and a compression test yielded good results. Fuel.well #4 was firing just fine. So Ed broke out the carb cleaner to no avail, could not find the leak. We were all a bit baffled at this point and convinced ourselves that there must be something blocking the intake runner to #3. We decided since I was not running in the morning we would have time to pull the carbs in the morning. Once removed, everything looked clear. Carbs went back on. As we were tightening the nuts on the carbs, we noticed that one of the intake manifold split washers was not compressed. Sure enough a wrench revealed that the nut was finger tight. Finally got it. We went through all manifold nuts. She fired up and sounded great. A silly intake leak. We then were able to time it better since it was now running A LOT smoother and the timing mark was not jumping around. We also set the mixture a little richer after looking at the plugs. What a difference. This car has never sounded this good. Dad took 11 seconds off his best time from Sat in the first Sunday race. He was going to grid for the second race and a grose jet failed with no spares, the car went on the trailer. What a great weekend. We all had a blast. Greg From dos_gusanos at msn.com Sun May 23 20:29:22 2010 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 20:29:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Autocrossing in Farmington, NM Triumph does it again! Message-ID: Cheers to all, Took my 15 year old son,Jake, to the two day autocross in Farmington, NM over the weekend. Our mount was the TR7 with the Dolomite Sprint engine. I entered as a TR7 sprint and they stuck us straight into H stock. We won our class even though we were cheating heavily, but we were the only one's in our class. My son got to experience spinning out and breaking a throttle cable and pitching a blade of the alternator fan into the bottom of the bonnet. I had a great time and hope he did too. Cheers Henry Morrison, Cedar Crest, NM From adams910 at gmail.com Mon May 24 13:52:02 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 15:52:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com Message-ID: http://www.britishracecar.com/GeorgeWright-Triumph-TR4.htm Trick, sano and very fast. I really like the removable front clip and cowl. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 24 14:05:03 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 20:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll Message-ID: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Greetings FoT I'm just taking a poll of what brake pads & shoes are being used. I have been using the Porterfield vintage compound on the front because of exceptional initial bite. Unfortunately the last two times I raced the car on freshly turned rotors with new pads I end up cooking the pads & rotorsB in a single weekend. I'm not ready to throw Porterfield under the proverbial busB but so far I'm not seeing anything in the front end or calipers that would cause the problem. Both times the rotors scored up pretty bad all the way across. The pads have a gap at the outboard edge of the pads ( top )B and snug at the inboard side. The smell of cooked brakes is present and blue rings toward the inboard edges of the rotors. Chunks of pad missing, pads glazed. The rears have performed great, no problems. I had to use the brakes so hard over the 15th & 16th I still have a prononced limp, no joke. I do have Uncle Jack's spindles and have a real good pedal, no fade or kickback. Thanks for the input, Jim G. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 24 14:25:27 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 22:25:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601cafb7f$409d9d10$c1d8d730$@com> Some nice gadgets on that car but the left cage side is really not stylish. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bob Adams Gesendet: Montag, 24. Mai 2010 21:52 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com http://www.britishracecar.com/GeorgeWright-Triumph-TR4.htm Trick, sano and very fast. I really like the removable front clip and cowl. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 24 14:36:39 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 22:36:39 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll In-Reply-To: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000701cafb80$d13c8330$73b58990$@com> I use EBC yellow pads in front and Lucas brake shoes at rear. Does work very fine. BUT....I cooked several times my brake sealing rings to death. For this season I have special made brake sealing rings they seem to last. No dripping brake anymore. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net Gesendet: Montag, 24. Mai 2010 22:05 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll Greetings FoT I'm just taking a poll of what brake pads & shoes are being used. I have been using the Porterfield vintage compound on the front because of exceptional initial bite. Unfortunately the last two times I raced the car on freshly turned rotors with new pads I end up cooking the pads & rotorsB in a single weekend. I'm not ready to throw Porterfield under the proverbial busB but so far I'm not seeing anything in the front end or calipers that would cause the problem. Both times the rotors scored up pretty bad all the way across. The pads have a gap at the outboard edge of the pads ( top )B and snug at the inboard side. The smell of cooked brakes is present and blue rings toward the inboard edges of the rotors. Chunks of pad missing, pads glazed. The rears have performed great, no problems. I had to use the brakes so hard over the 15th & 16th I still have a prononced limp, no joke. I do have Uncle Jack's spindles and have a real good pedal, no fade or kickback. Thanks for the input, Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From riverside at southslope.net Mon May 24 14:43:07 2010 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 15:43:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] spitty diffs Message-ID: <006501cafb81$b7b3b040$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Rebuilding a diff for a 76 Spit autocrosser and the pinion gear shims are junk. Anybody know where to find some? Absent finding them, is there a work around? Like using thicker side gear shims to take up the slack? All ideas welcome! thanks art de armond From adams910 at gmail.com Mon May 24 14:50:38 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 16:50:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com In-Reply-To: <000601cafb7f$409d9d10$c1d8d730$@com> References: <000601cafb7f$409d9d10$c1d8d730$@com> Message-ID: Christian, The sidebars are called "NASCAR door bars" since that's where they originated from. They're VERY strong and extremely effective at keeping a car out of the cockpit in side impacts. Looking at the pictures, the cage in George's car meets and even exceeds the current SCCA rules by using NASCAR door bars on both sides. You probably don't see them often in Europe. I think in Europe you commonly see a x, that is boxed in where the two tubes intersect. You might also see some additional tubing leading to the boxed in x section. Hope that helps. From dave at microworks.net Mon May 24 15:00:20 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 14:00:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Facebook Group Message-ID: I just made a "Friends of Triumph" Facebook Group. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=124727640888719 If/when Mark or Mordy join the group I'll elevate them to Admins of it. After noting that half the people that posted to the FOT list this past week are on Facebook (14 yes, 13 no and 1 undetermined) I thought we might as well have a presence there too. Join up if you want. I determined the above stats based on the email address they send to the list with by checking their profile in my Outlook with the Xobni plug-in From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 24 15:02:16 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 23:02:16 +0200 Subject: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com In-Reply-To: References: <000601cafb7f$409d9d10$c1d8d730$@com> Message-ID: <000c01cafb84$6555d820$30018860$@com> Hi Bob, since last year we also have to fit side impact bars. As I have a flimsy fiber glass door Im really happy to have those double bars. Have a look on the photos. The bars are completely hidden by the door and do meet the FIA rules. http://1.1.1.5/bmi/www.britishcarforum.com/bcforum/gallery/49/full/21530.jpg Cheers Chris Von: Bob Adams [mailto:adams910 at gmail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 24. Mai 2010 22:51 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com Christian, The sidebars are called "NASCAR door bars" since that's where they originated from. They're VERY strong and extremely effective at keeping a car out of the cockpit in side impacts. Looking at the pictures, the cage in George's car meets and even exceeds the current SCCA rules by using NASCAR door bars on both sides. You probably don't see them often in Europe. I think in Europe you commonly see a x, that is boxed in where the two tubes intersect. You might also see some additional tubing leading to the boxed in x section. Hope that helps. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 24 15:18:43 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 23:18:43 +0200 Subject: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001101cafb86$b1928740$14b795c0$@com> Another thing I don't understand. At the link of the rear swaybar there is a little coil spring between the rubber bits. For what is that coil spring? Wouldn't the spring weaken the efficiency of the rear swaybar? Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bob Adams Gesendet: Montag, 24. Mai 2010 21:52 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com http://www.britishracecar.com/GeorgeWright-Triumph-TR4.htm Trick, sano and very fast. I really like the removable front clip and cowl. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon May 24 15:20:58 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 14:20:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll In-Reply-To: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <31C74618CB974B25A2227A46139D50DE@TOSHIBALAPTOP> I'm using the regular Porterfield R-4, not the vintage version. The vintage pads are made to work at very low temperatures. Before giving up on Porterfield, I'd suggest trying the full race version. I get about 6 weekends on a set of pads and a couple more on the rear shoes. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:05 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll Greetings FoT I'm just taking a poll of what brake pads & shoes are being used. I have been using the Porterfield vintage compound on the front because of exceptional initial bite. Unfortunately the last two times I raced the car on freshly turned rotors with new pads I end up cooking the pads & rotorsB in a single weekend. I'm not ready to throw Porterfield under the proverbial busB but so far I'm not seeing anything in the front end or calipers that would cause the problem. Both times the rotors scored up pretty bad all the way across. The pads have a gap at the outboard edge of the pads ( top )B and snug at the inboard side. The smell of cooked brakes is present and blue rings toward the inboard edges of the rotors. Chunks of pad missing, pads glazed. The rears have performed great, no problems. I had to use the brakes so hard over the 15th & 16th I still have a prononced limp, no joke. I do have Uncle Jack's spindles and have a real good pedal, no fade or kickback. Thanks for the input, Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From spitlist at cox.net Mon May 24 15:33:22 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 14:33:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitty diffs In-Reply-To: <006501cafb81$b7b3b040$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <006501cafb81$b7b3b040$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: Here is a link to Spitbits shims for that application. http://www.spitbits.com/store/Front-Pinion-Shim-C651.aspx Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of riverside Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] spitty diffs Rebuilding a diff for a 76 Spit autocrosser and the pinion gear shims are junk. Anybody know where to find some? Absent finding them, is there a work around? Like using thicker side gear shims to take up the slack? All ideas welcome! thanks art de armond _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon May 24 15:48:37 2010 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 16:48:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] spitty diffs References: <006501cafb81$b7b3b040$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <844FED4A58A446D896F2008CDC1B47F2@rocky> The Vicky Brit catalogue shows four different sizes (.0190", .0025", .0045", .0092"). www.victoriabritish.com. Or Ted Schumacher might have some (www.tsimportedautomotive.com, and Ted's on this list), or Roadster Factory (www.the-roadster-factory.com), or Moss Motors (www.mossmotors.com). In a pinch, get some tin snips and cut your own. Once in they just sit there. There's no real stress on them once compressed and it's not critical the ID and OD be perfect, just the thickness. When I needed real thin ones I cut them out of newspaper offset printing plate (.007" -- so thin I could use regular scissors). --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "riverside" To: Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 3:43 PM Subject: [Fot] spitty diffs > Rebuilding a diff for a 76 Spit autocrosser > and the pinion gear shims are junk. Anybody > know where to find some? Absent finding them, is there > a work around? Like using thicker side gear > shims to take up the slack? All ideas welcome! > > > thanks > > art de armond > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon May 24 16:32:48 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 15:32:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com In-Reply-To: <001101cafb86$b1928740$14b795c0$@com> References: <001101cafb86$b1928740$14b795c0$@com> Message-ID: <1e2701cafb91$09d16cf0$0301a8c0@randall> > For what is that coil spring? > Wouldn't the spring weaken the efficiency of the rear swaybar? Yes, exactly. It gives a method of adjusting the effect of the swaybar, to tune the roll rate and hence over/under-steer. Randall From fpspitfire at comcast.net Mon May 24 19:15:03 2010 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 01:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll In-Reply-To: <31C74618CB974B25A2227A46139D50DE@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <1181018503.839531274750103242.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hawk HT-10 in the front and HT-14 in the rear, unless the ambient temperature is low then I will use HT-10 in the rear.B I have some EBC green stuff pads for the rear if the surface is extremely slick. Readily available for the spitfire as the girling calipers are used on Formula Fords, and the rear I use a Wilwood dynalite caliper. Aaron SCCA H-Prod Spitfire 1500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norlin Engineering" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net, "fot" Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 5:20:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll I'm using the regular Porterfield R-4, not the vintage version. B The vintage pads are made to work at very low temperatures. B Before giving up on Porterfield, I'd suggest trying the full race version. B I get about 6 weekends on a set of pads and a couple more on the rear shoes. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:05 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll Greetings FoT I'm just taking a poll of what brake pads & shoes are being used. I have been using the Porterfield vintage compound on the front because of exceptional initial bite. Unfortunately the last two times I raced the car on freshly turned rotors with new pads I end up cooking the pads & rotorsB in a single weekend. I'm not ready to throw Porterfield under the proverbial busB but so far I'm not seeing anything in the front end or calipers that would cause the problem. Both times the rotors scored up pretty bad all the way across. The pads have a gap at the outboard edge of the pads ( top )B and snug at the inboard side. The smell of cooked brakes is present and blue rings toward the inboard edges of the rotors. Chunks of pad missing, pads glazed. The rears have performed great, no problems. I had to use the brakes so hard over the 15th & 16th I still have a prononced limp, no joke. I do have Uncle Jack's spindles and have a real good pedal, no fade or kickback. Thanks for the input, Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fpspitfire at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 24 22:55:05 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 06:55:05 +0200 Subject: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com In-Reply-To: <1e2701cafb91$09d16cf0$0301a8c0@randall> References: <001101cafb86$b1928740$14b795c0$@com> <1e2701cafb91$09d16cf0$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <000401cafbc6$72dd42c0$5897c840$@com> Ahhh - I see but that would allow only very small adjustments compared with shortening the swaybar arms. But good idea anyway! Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Randall Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Mai 2010 00:33 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com > For what is that coil spring? > Wouldn't the spring weaken the efficiency of the rear swaybar? Yes, exactly. It gives a method of adjusting the effect of the swaybar, to tune the roll rate and hence over/under-steer. Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jhd11 at hotmail.com Tue May 25 09:25:06 2010 From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:25:06 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads Message-ID: To add to the brake discussion; As some of you may or may not know, we are building a TR6 to go Chumpcar Racing (same principal as Lemons). We will be using, initially at least, stock discs,drums and calipers. Since it is endurance racing we will need several sets of brake pads. Are there any off the shelf performance pads for the 6 that will work. I spoke to the Carbotech people and they can have a pad that will work but a lot of $$! Thanks in advance. Joe Downer RiffRAF Racing Charlotte, N.C. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 25 09:57:32 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:57:32 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003101cafc22$fe70bf90$fb523eb0$@com> Hi Joe, EBC blue stuff is for endurance racing. Cheers Chrsi -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Joe Henry Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Mai 2010 17:25 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads To add to the brake discussion; As some of you may or may not know, we are building a TR6 to go Chumpcar Racing (same principal as Lemons). We will be using, initially at least, stock discs,drums and calipers. Since it is endurance racing we will need several sets of brake pads. Are there any off the shelf performance pads for the 6 that will work. I spoke to the Carbotech people and they can have a pad that will work but a lot of $$! Thanks in advance. Joe Downer RiffRAF Racing Charlotte, N.C. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28 3 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From chasgee at aol.com Tue May 25 10:30:48 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 12:30:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCCA3EC4B67675-C28-DCC2@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com> Based on my experience in a Lemons race with a TR7, buy the more expensive pads. We started with the off the shelf performance pads (Pep Boys type stuff) and they lasted about 2 hours. After we put proper race pads on, we made it the rest of the way with no problems. They were expensive, but cheaper that replacing pads after every driver stint. Good luck and enjoy the race. If it is anything like Lemons, you will have a blast! Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Joe Henry To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 8:25 am Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads To add to the brake discussion; As some of you may or may not know, we are building a TR6 to go Chumpcar acing (same principal as Lemons). We will be using, initially at least, tock discs,drums and calipers. Since it is endurance racing we will need everal sets of brake pads. Are there any off the shelf performance pads for he 6 that will work. I spoke to the Carbotech people and they can have a pad hat will work but a lot of $$! Thanks in advance. Joe Downer iffRAF Racing harlotte, N.C. _________________________________________________________________ he New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with otmail. ttp://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Tue May 25 11:42:06 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 10:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads Message-ID: <269025.28391.qm@web46113.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Check out Hawk brake pads. You will want to check application charts but If I remember correctly part #HP 169560s ht10 compound for all out racing. I believe this is the same pad as the 240z. A few of their parts were copied from the TR and cross over (brakes/wheel bolt pattern). Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 25, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Joe Henry wrote: To add to the brake discussion; As some of you may or may not know, we are building a TR6 to go Chumpcar Racing (same principal as Lemons). We will be using, initially at least, stock discs,drums and calipers. Since it is endurance racing we will need several sets of brake pads. Are there any off the shelf performance pads for the 6 that will work. I spoke to the Carbotech people and they can have a pad that will work but a lot of $$! Thanks in advance. Joe Downer RiffRAF Racing Charlotte, N.C. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 25 11:53:14 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads In-Reply-To: <269025.28391.qm@web46113.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <522795991.954001274809994058.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I just ordered a set of H10's from Pegasus. The part number is correct. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" To: "Joe Henry" Cc: "" Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:42:06 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads Check out Hawk brake pads. You will want to check application charts but If I remember correctly part #HP 169560s ht10 compound for all out racing. I believe this is the same pad as the 240z. A few of their parts were copied from the TR and cross over (brakes/wheel bolt pattern). Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 25, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Joe Henry wrote: B B B To add to the brake discussion; B B B As some of you may or may not know, we are building a TR6 to go Chumpcar Racing (same principal as Lemons). B We will be using, initially at least, stock discs,drums and calipers. B Since it is endurance racing we will need several sets of brake pads. B Are there any off the shelf performance pads for the 6 that will work. B I spoke to the Carbotech people and they can have a pad that will work but a lot of $$! B Thanks in advance. Joe Downer RiffRAF Racing Charlotte, N.C. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From igofaster at att.net Tue May 25 12:57:09 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Facebook Group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <979910.58864.qm@web180716.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> don't do much FB.... but I joined the FoT FB community... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Dave Riddle To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 4:00:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Facebook Group I just made a "Friends of Triumph" Facebook Group. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=124727640888719 If/when Mark or Mordy join the group I'll elevate them to Admins of it. After noting that half the people that posted to the FOT list this past week are on Facebook (14 yes, 13 no and 1 undetermined) I thought we might as well have a presence there too. Join up if you want. I determined the above stats based on the email address they send to the list with by checking their profile in my Outlook with the Xobni plug-in _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue May 25 14:13:06 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:13:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads References: <8CCCA3EC4B67675-C28-DCC2@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <57BFC7254C97469B926C5232F0757E0D@latitudefb1e41> Thanks for that info. We have a TR6 in progress for the Sept. Lemon's race near Houston. I was planning on using some street performance pads. I figured that they would last longer. I have a collection of partially used pads so we may save them for Sunday. Yeah, I'm optomistic. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads > Based on my experience in a Lemons race with a TR7, buy the more expensive > pads. We started with the off the shelf performance pads (Pep Boys type > stuff) and they lasted about 2 hours. After we put proper race pads on, > we > made it the rest of the way with no problems. They were expensive, but > cheaper that replacing pads after every driver stint. > > Good luck and enjoy the race. If it is anything like Lemons, you will > have a > blast! > > Chuck > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Henry > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 8:25 am > Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads > > > To add to the brake discussion; > As some of you may or may not know, we are building a TR6 to go > Chumpcar > acing (same principal as Lemons). We will be using, initially at least, > tock discs,drums and calipers. Since it is endurance racing we will need > everal sets of brake pads. Are there any off the shelf performance pads > for > he 6 that will work. I spoke to the Carbotech people and they can have a > pad > hat will work but a lot of $$! Thanks in advance. > Joe Downer > iffRAF Racing > harlotte, N.C. > _________________________________________________________________ > he New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with > otmail. > ttp://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 > 6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue May 25 16:54:29 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:54:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! Message-ID: Pack your bags...... Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "yemington" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >I hope this isn't a cruel joke... > > http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cvar_general/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cvar_general/join > (Yahoo! ID required) > > <*> To change settings via email: > cvar_general-digest at yahoogroups.com > cvar_general-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > cvar_general-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 25 17:22:24 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 16:22:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> Oh Great, another Herman Tilke cookie-cutter race course to be built and countless millions of dollars going to line Bernie Ecclestone's deep pockets. It makes one wonder how long it will be before Bernie scratches the whole plan because he is not getting nearly as rich off the venture as he originally thought. And will USF1 actually field a car by the time the track is built? Skeptically, Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:05 PM To: Bob Kramer; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! Wooohoo!..my Son lives in Lakeway..30 miles from Austin!!... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:54 PM Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > Pack your bags...... > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "yemington" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:32 PM > Subject: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > > >>I hope this isn't a cruel joke... >> >> http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cvar_general/ >> >> <*> Your email settings: >> Individual Email | Traditional >> >> <*> To change settings online go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cvar_general/join >> (Yahoo! 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In-Reply-To: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> References: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <84C68E435A3941FD8596313191D2F51F@sys> USF1 is kaput. It will not be rising from the ashes -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:22 PM To: 'RACER BUD'; 'Bob Kramer'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! Oh Great, another Herman Tilke cookie-cutter race course to be built and countless millions of dollars going to line Bernie Ecclestone's deep pockets. It makes one wonder how long it will be before Bernie scratches the whole plan because he is not getting nearly as rich off the venture as he originally thought. And will USF1 actually field a car by the time the track is built? Skeptically, Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:05 PM To: Bob Kramer; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! Wooohoo!..my Son lives in Lakeway..30 miles from Austin!!... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:54 PM Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > Pack your bags...... > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "yemington" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:32 PM > Subject: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > > >>I hope this isn't a cruel joke... >> >> http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dave at microworks.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue May 25 19:06:09 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:06:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! References: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <40337B4109254E219D37C8A8F250652B@latitudefb1e41> Yeah but.....we get a world class facility right here in central TX for the other 51 weeks of the year. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'RACER BUD'" ; "'Bob Kramer'" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:22 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > Oh Great, another Herman Tilke cookie-cutter race course to be built and > countless millions of dollars going to line Bernie Ecclestone's deep > pockets. > > It makes one wonder how long it will be before Bernie scratches the whole > plan because he is not getting nearly as rich off the venture as he > originally thought. > > And will USF1 actually field a car by the time the track is built? > > Skeptically, > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:05 PM > To: Bob Kramer; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > > Wooohoo!..my Son lives in Lakeway..30 miles from Austin!!... > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Kramer" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:54 PM > Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > > >> Pack your bags...... >> >> Bob Kramer >> Volente, TX >> >> Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch >> excellence. >> Vince Lombardi >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "yemington" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:32 PM >> Subject: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >> >> >>>I hope this isn't a cruel joke... >>> >>> http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cvar_general/ >>> >>> <*> Your email settings: >>> Individual Email | Traditional >>> >>> <*> To change settings online go to: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cvar_general/join >>> (Yahoo! ID required) >>> >>> <*> To change settings via email: >>> cvar_general-digest at yahoogroups.com >>> cvar_general-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com >>> >>> <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>> cvar_general-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com >>> >>> <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: >>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tlizzard at msn.com Tue May 25 19:11:26 2010 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:11:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, lets hope that the track is better than than horrible thing that they did at Indy. Terry Stetler From billb at bnj.com Tue May 25 19:13:04 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:13:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! In-Reply-To: <40337B4109254E219D37C8A8F250652B@latitudefb1e41> References: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> <40337B4109254E219D37C8A8F250652B@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <7C6ADAFD-0DB9-465B-B41C-64B4BAFD064E@bnj.com> Geez, some guys would complain if you hung them with a new rope. I want an F1 race in the US that isn't a joke. Austin sounds great to me. We'll go early and see more live music on a tuesday night than anywhere else has in a month. And then go see an amazing spectacle. Works for me. Beats the hell out of Indy. On May 25, 2010, at 6:06 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Yeah but.....we get a world class facility right here in central TX for the other 51 weeks of the year. > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" > To: "'RACER BUD'" ; "'Bob Kramer'" ; > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:22 PM > Subject: RE: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > > >> Oh Great, another Herman Tilke cookie-cutter race course to be built and >> countless millions of dollars going to line Bernie Ecclestone's deep >> pockets. >> >> It makes one wonder how long it will be before Bernie scratches the whole >> plan because he is not getting nearly as rich off the venture as he >> originally thought. >> >> And will USF1 actually field a car by the time the track is built? >> >> Skeptically, >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of RACER BUD >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:05 PM >> To: Bob Kramer; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >> >> Wooohoo!..my Son lives in Lakeway..30 miles from Austin!!... >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:54 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >> >> >>> Pack your bags...... >>> >>> Bob Kramer >>> Volente, TX >>> >>> Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch >>> excellence. >>> Vince Lombardi >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "yemington" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:32 PM >>> Subject: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >>> >>> >>>> I hope this isn't a cruel joke... >>>> >>>> http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: >>>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 25 19:15:39 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:15:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! References: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> <40337B4109254E219D37C8A8F250652B@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <090362ABB13441669E96A6289114FEBA@Bud> It's Gonna Be Wonderful! It is Already Wonderful because it is POSITIVE!...RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" To: "Joe Curry" ; "'RACER BUD'" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > Yeah but.....we get a world class facility right here in central TX for > the other 51 weeks of the year. > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Curry" > To: "'RACER BUD'" ; "'Bob Kramer'" > ; > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:22 PM > Subject: RE: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > > >> Oh Great, another Herman Tilke cookie-cutter race course to be built and >> countless millions of dollars going to line Bernie Ecclestone's deep >> pockets. >> >> It makes one wonder how long it will be before Bernie scratches the whole >> plan because he is not getting nearly as rich off the venture as he >> originally thought. >> >> And will USF1 actually field a car by the time the track is built? >> >> Skeptically, >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of RACER BUD >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:05 PM >> To: Bob Kramer; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >> >> Wooohoo!..my Son lives in Lakeway..30 miles from Austin!!... >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob Kramer" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:54 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >> >> >>> Pack your bags...... >>> >>> Bob Kramer >>> Volente, TX >>> >>> Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch >>> excellence. >>> Vince Lombardi >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "yemington" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:32 PM >>> Subject: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >>> >>> >>>>I hope this isn't a cruel joke... >>>> >>>> http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: >>>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Tue May 25 19:24:26 2010 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:24:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National In-Reply-To: <20100519.182614.3447.5@webmail21.dca.untd.com> References: <20100519.182614.3447.5@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <4BFC784A.3070709@twcny.rr.com> Great Story Joe! I got curious so I looked up a youtube your son posted: "worlds fastest TR3?"... Cheers, M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2wf2niBALQ&NR=1 Ok so there are always youtube "suggestions" this one came up - Its hard to watch in the beginning but it gets "interesting" toward the end... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f9QIalMoIM&feature=related From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 25 19:36:33 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:36:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! In-Reply-To: <7C6ADAFD-0DB9-465B-B41C-64B4BAFD064E@bnj.com> References: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> <40337B4109254E219D37C8A8F250652B@latitudefb1e41> <7C6ADAFD-0DB9-465B-B41C-64B4BAFD064E@bnj.com> Message-ID: Bernie Ecclestone has left me with a very distinct bad taste for the way F1 has been run. His only interest is getting richer (God, how many Billions does one man need before he dies). The first sign that anything is not going his way, he pulls the rug out from under the event, leaving the people who worked so hard to make it happen with nothing but faded memories. I too hope that it will last but so many things have happened over the years to make me feel that it will. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:13 PM To: Bob Kramer Cc: Joe Curry; 'RACER BUD'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! Geez, some guys would complain if you hung them with a new rope. I want an F1 race in the US that isn't a joke. Austin sounds great to me. We'll go early and see more live music on a tuesday night than anywhere else has in a month. And then go see an amazing spectacle. Works for me. Beats the hell out of Indy. From walt at hot-tr6.com Tue May 25 20:06:42 2010 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:06:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Needed 1 Panasport Wheel-TR6 Message-ID: <20100526020541.1C72B187888@autox.team.net> If any FOT member can spare one Panasport wheel for my TR6 I need a bolt on 15X6. If interested please contact me directly at: walt at hot-tr6.com Thank You Walt Hollowell Abq., NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 105110 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Tue May 25 20:11:49 2010 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! In-Reply-To: References: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> <40337B4109254E219D37C8A8F250652B@latitudefb1e41> <7C6ADAFD-0DB9-465B-B41C-64B4BAFD064E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <796000.5088.qm@web46105.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> lets see. Watkins Glen, Long Beach, Phoenix, Detroit, Dallas, Indy. Did I miss any. The F1 sanctioning fee was 20 million US for Indy. I think that added up to about $100 per ticket for the US GP at Indy based on 200,000 tickets sold. The Hulman family paid the fee. Most countries pay the fee. That is why we see more and more F1 in the middle east. I was fortunate to see the Tyrell 6 wheel car run in Watkins Glen and make two of the F1 races in Indy. It is hard for promoters to make money in this country on F1. The world wide tv audiance is 600 million per event. Off to Indy this weekend for my 31st 500 in a row. Mike Mehl ________________________________ From: Joe Curry To: Bill Babcock ; Bob Kramer Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 6:36:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! Bernie Ecclestone has left me with a very distinct bad taste for the way F1 has been run. His only interest is getting richer (God, how many Billions does one man need before he dies). The first sign that anything is not going his way, he pulls the rug out from under the event, leaving the people who worked so hard to make it happen with nothing but faded memories. I too hope that it will last but so many things have happened over the years to make me feel that it will. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:13 PM To: Bob Kramer Cc: Joe Curry; 'RACER BUD'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! Geez, some guys would complain if you hung them with a new rope. I want an F1 race in the US that isn't a joke. Austin sounds great to me. We'll go early and see more live music on a tuesday night than anywhere else has in a month. And then go see an amazing spectacle. Works for me. Beats the hell out of Indy. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com From spyderweb at uwalumni.com Tue May 25 20:35:06 2010 From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (Jim Hill) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:35:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! In-Reply-To: <796000.5088.qm@web46105.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> <40337B4109254E219D37C8A8F250652B@latitudefb1e41> <7C6ADAFD-0DB9-465B-B41C-64B4BAFD064E@bnj.com> <796000.5088.qm@web46105.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike Mehl wrote: > lets see. Watkins Glen, Long Beach, Phoenix, Detroit, Dallas, Indy. Did I > miss any. Just a few: Sebring (1959) Riverside USA (1960) Las Vegas (1981 & 1982) Jim Hill From list at mackenzie.aero Tue May 25 21:06:46 2010 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 22:06:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts Message-ID: <000501cafc80$7a7df910$6f79eb30$@aero> I have been building up a performance 1500 engine for my '79 Spitfire street/autocross car. Starting with a early 1500 block with flat-top pistons, I had all the spinning bits dynamically balanced and installed one of Ted's 275-4 cams. 9:1 CR topped off with a ported head with custom bee-hive valve springs by Costa Mesa R&D. All in all a solid but not over the top spec looking more towards reliability and drivability over outright performance. One choice I made was to stick with a stock flywheel. When I installed it I used new bolts from a reputable specialist vendor. I have heard that one should not re-use the original bolts and I have also read the ARP bolts are higher in shear strength but tend to be brittle and break. The engine ran fine on first start but after a 45 min run-in the first time I opened the throttle and brought it up to some serious RPM (5500 +) the flywheel bolts failed. Questions: What is everybody else using in their full race motors? Could this just be a bad bolt or two? What are your thoughts on APR vs stock hardware? Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed May 26 06:06:52 2010 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 07:06:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F750@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I've been using ARP flywheel bolts in my Spitfire and have had no trouble with them. Scott B. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue May 25 22:06:46 2010 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts I have been building up a performance 1500 engine for my '79 Spitfire street/autocross car. Starting with a early 1500 block with flat-top pistons, I had all the spinning bits dynamically balanced and installed one of Ted's 275-4 cams. 9:1 CR topped off with a ported head with custom bee-hive valve springs by Costa Mesa R&D. All in all a solid but not over the top spec looking more towards reliability and drivability over outright performance. One choice I made was to stick with a stock flywheel. When I installed it I used new bolts from a reputable specialist vendor. I have heard that one should not re-use the original bolts and I have also read the ARP bolts are higher in shear strength but tend to be brittle and break. The engine ran fine on first start but after a 45 min run-in the first time I opened the throttle and brought it up to some serious RPM (5500 +) the flywheel bolts failed. Questions: What is everybody else using in their full race motors? Could this just be a bad bolt or two? What are your thoughts on APR vs stock hardware? Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed May 26 08:42:14 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <1828582338.1278921274884934125.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Greetings FoT I would like to nominate Tyler Thompson to the ranks. He races the # 413 TR-4 with the RMVR and is already proving to be quite quick. Tyler and his son are also doing a ground-up resto on a TR-4 street car. Tyler would like to join us at Topeka in August. Do I have a second ? Jim G tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed May 26 08:46:16 2010 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 07:46:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SPAM-LOW: Spitfire Flywheel Bolts References: <000501cafc80$7a7df910$6f79eb30$@aero> Message-ID: I use the ARP bolts for a 350 Chevy for my TR6. I believe they are the same as Spits. I did break the heads off of 3 out of 4 one time but have had no problems since then. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 8:06 PM Subject: SPAM-LOW: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts >I have been building up a performance 1500 engine for my '79 Spitfire > street/autocross car. > Starting with a early 1500 block with flat-top pistons, I had all the > spinning bits dynamically balanced and installed one of Ted's 275-4 cams. > 9:1 CR topped off with a ported head with custom bee-hive valve springs > by > Costa Mesa R&D. All in all a solid but not over the top spec looking more > towards reliability and drivability over outright performance. > One choice I made was to stick with a stock flywheel. When I installed it > I > used new bolts from a reputable specialist vendor. I have heard that one > should not re-use the original bolts and I have also read the ARP bolts > are > higher in shear strength but tend to be brittle and break. > The engine ran fine on first start but after a 45 min run-in the first > time > I opened the throttle and brought it up to some serious RPM (5500 +) the > flywheel bolts failed. > > Questions: > What is everybody else using in their full race motors? > Could this just be a bad bolt or two? > What are your thoughts on APR vs stock hardware? > > Robert MacKenzie > NASS # 511 > Austin Texas > '79 1500 (street) > '62 Spitfire 4 (race) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed May 26 09:36:29 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:36:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F750@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <564F4814BCE7400083D82BB6BEB44C40@TOSHIBALAPTOP> ARP Bolts and the crank and flywheel have been drilled and the crank tapped for 3 additional bolts. 7 bolts and 1 dowel pin. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 5:07 AM To: robert at mackenzie.aero; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts I've been using ARP flywheel bolts in my Spitfire and have had no trouble with them. Scott B. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue May 25 22:06:46 2010 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts I have been building up a performance 1500 engine for my '79 Spitfire street/autocross car. Starting with a early 1500 block with flat-top pistons, I had all the spinning bits dynamically balanced and installed one of Ted's 275-4 cams. 9:1 CR topped off with a ported head with custom bee-hive valve springs by Costa Mesa R&D. All in all a solid but not over the top spec looking more towards reliability and drivability over outright performance. One choice I made was to stick with a stock flywheel. When I installed it I used new bolts from a reputable specialist vendor. I have heard that one should not re-use the original bolts and I have also read the ARP bolts are higher in shear strength but tend to be brittle and break. The engine ran fine on first start but after a 45 min run-in the first time I opened the throttle and brought it up to some serious RPM (5500 +) the flywheel bolts failed. Questions: What is everybody else using in their full race motors? Could this just be a bad bolt or two? What are your thoughts on APR vs stock hardware? Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From cofrog at q.com Wed May 26 09:38:17 2010 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:38:17 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1828582338.1278921274884934125.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1828582338.1278921274884934125.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I second. Ty and his son are good people. Ty is going quite fast in his first year of racing with RMVR. > Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:42:14 +0000 > From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > Greetings FoT > > I would like to nominate Tyler Thompson to the ranks. He races the # 413 TR-4 with the RMVR and is already proving to be > > quite quick. Tyler and his son are also doing a ground-up resto on a TR-4 street car. Tyler would like to join us at Topeka > > in August. > > > > Do I have a second ? > > > > Jim G > > > > > tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From dave at microworks.net Wed May 26 09:57:14 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:57:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question Message-ID: <1050676CE457467EBD2362E560D5CF09@sys> I'm wondering if the heavy duty ramps I have for my open trailer are too heavy duty (and just plain heavy) What weight rating should be sufficient for loading a TR3 (or other smaller car/sedan) From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed May 26 11:18:52 2010 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 10:18:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question References: <1050676CE457467EBD2362E560D5CF09@sys> Message-ID: <43D9141DF7D6443A8019F772DFFB96B7@Charly> Funny thing you should ask. I use fir 2X12's 8' long to load my TR6. You just need to take care of them. And look for splits and keep them painted. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Riddle" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:57 AM Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question > I'm wondering if the heavy duty ramps I have for my open trailer are too > heavy duty (and just plain heavy) > > > > What weight rating should be sufficient for loading a TR3 (or other > smaller > car/sedan) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 26 12:16:31 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:16:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: <43D9141DF7D6443A8019F772DFFB96B7@Charly> References: <1050676CE457467EBD2362E560D5CF09@sys> <43D9141DF7D6443A8019F772DFFB96B7@Charly> Message-ID: <8CCCB16B34251D5-17A0-1550@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Funny thing you should ask. I have a set that came with my new trailer. They are heavy and overbuilt. I am going to go back to the fabricator and have a pair made to my requirements. At the end of the day, I am not excited about wrestling around ramps that will support a Bobcat or Forklift. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Charly Mitchel To: Dave Riddle ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 12:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question Funny thing you should ask. I use fir 2X12's 8' long to load my TR6. You just need to take care of them. And look for splits and keep them painted. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed May 26 13:03:10 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 12:03:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: <1050676CE457467EBD2362E560D5CF09@sys> Message-ID: <8110B2796E8C419F96B9BF237BDB139D@TOSHIBALAPTOP> I've got a friend who has some really neat lightweight trailer ramps. They're made out of some sort of reinforced foam. He uses them to put a 914 into a toy hauler type trailer. A quick google search for foam trailer ramps shows that they're called "Race Ramps" and are available from Summit for a bit over $300. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Riddle Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:57 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question I'm wondering if the heavy duty ramps I have for my open trailer are too heavy duty (and just plain heavy) What weight rating should be sufficient for loading a TR3 (or other smaller car/sedan) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed May 26 16:19:17 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:19:17 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question Message-ID: <15347775.1274912357773.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Some of the guys out here use wooden planks from bleachers to load up their cars. I remember getting many slivers as a kid because it was my job to slide the wooden ramps out of the trailer and into position. Now I have aluminum ramps that were custom made and instead of splinters, I get greasy hands because my car leaks onto them. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Dave Riddle >Sent: May 26, 2010 8:57 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question > >I'm wondering if the heavy duty ramps I have for my open trailer are too >heavy duty (and just plain heavy) > > > >What weight rating should be sufficient for loading a TR3 (or other smaller >car/sedan) >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed May 26 18:53:16 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 18:53:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: <8110B2796E8C419F96B9BF237BDB139D@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <1050676CE457467EBD2362E560D5CF09@sys> <8110B2796E8C419F96B9BF237BDB139D@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: Dambach ramps makes either flat or cambered 5' aluminum ramps for 70.00 each. They are rated for 1250 each I've been using them and they are great and super light. I carry them both in one hand. Here's the link http://www.dambachramps.com/sc ripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=3 236 Good luck Jim G -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team .net] On Behalf Of Norlin Engineering Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:03 PM To: 'Dave Riddle'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question I've got a friend who has some really neat lightweight trailer ramps. They're made out of some sort of reinforced foam. He uses them to put a 914 into a toy hauler type trailer. A quick google search for foam trailer ramps shows that they're called "Race Ramps" and are available from Summit for a bit over $300. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team .net] On Behalf Of Dave Riddle Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:57 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question I'm wondering if the heavy duty ramps I have for my open trailer are too heavy duty (and just plain heavy) What weight rating should be sufficient for loading a TR3 (or other smaller car/sedan) ______________________________ _________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htm l Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ options/fot/norlinengineering@ comcast.net ______________________________ _________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htm l Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ options/fot/toodamnfunky at comca st.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed May 26 19:54:54 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 01:54:54 GMT Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll Message-ID: <20100526.215454.7232.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> I am using Performace Friction pads up front in the 01 compound. They are long lasting (few years at least), easy on the rotors and great stopping power. Not sure what configurations they have for TR calipers, since I am using Jag calipers. Used Porterfield R4 before I coverted to Jag calipers. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 20:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Greetings FoT I'm just taking a poll of what brake pads & shoes are being used. I have been using the Porterfield vintage compound on the front because of exceptional initial bite. Unfortunately the last two times I raced the car on freshly turned rotors with new pads I end up cooking the pads & rotorsB in a single weekend. I'm not ready to throw Porterfield under the proverbial busB but so far I'm not seeing anything in the front end or calipers that would cause the problem. Both times the rotors scored up pretty bad all the way across. The pads have a gap at the outboard edge of the pads ( top )B and snug at the inboard side. The smell of cooked brakes is present and blue rings toward the inboard edges of the rotors. Chunks of pad missing, pads glazed. The rears have performed great, no problems. I had to use the brakes so hard over the 15th & 16th I still have a prononced limp, no joke. I do have Uncle Jack's spindles and have a real good pedal, no fade or kickback. Thanks for the input, Jim G. ____________________________________________________________ PennyStocks Soaring 600% Sign up for FREE email alerts on stocks that jump 600% and more! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bfdd107c813e1076f2st06duc From mark at bradakis.com Wed May 26 20:02:43 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 20:02:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nominations Message-ID: <4BFDD2C3.1020402@bradakis.com> Okay, NOW I think I have added all the recent nominees. As a reminder remember that to add an email address to the list, I need the email address. Rocket surgery, I know. On a vaguely related note I was digging through piles of papers on my desk and uncovered a cache of Team.Net checks from the 2002 fund drive. Gee, think I should cash them? I try to be more prompt in my business matters these days, but stuff happens. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Wed May 26 20:08:02 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 20:08:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll In-Reply-To: <20100526.215454.7232.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> References: <20100526.215454.7232.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <4BFDD402.1000003@bradakis.com> I was using Ted's kevlar brakes on Killer the last year I raced. They worked quite well for the roughly 20 minute, 20 mile sessions we ran at IVR. But with the motor chewing up a bearing and me losing my job I didn't get a chance to see how well they lasted for a season. mjb. From list at mackenzie.aero Wed May 26 20:09:18 2010 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 21:09:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts - Part 2 Message-ID: <002b01cafd41$9db77cf0$d92676d0$@aero> Thanks to everybody for the advice I received today. I pulled the gearbox earlier today and the clutch and flywheel fell on to the floor. Never a good sign. The four flywheel retaining bolts and the pin in the crankshaft have sheared off flush with the end of the crank. I think I should be able to extract the broken bolts out but I could use some recommendations on how to remove the broken pin. Is it just pressed in place? Robert From spitlist at cox.net Wed May 26 20:19:26 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 19:19:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts - Part 2 In-Reply-To: <002b01cafd41$9db77cf0$d92676d0$@aero> References: <002b01cafd41$9db77cf0$d92676d0$@aero> Message-ID: I'd just drill it out and press in a new one. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 7:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts - Part 2 Thanks to everybody for the advice I received today. I pulled the gearbox earlier today and the clutch and flywheel fell on to the floor. Never a good sign. The four flywheel retaining bolts and the pin in the crankshaft have sheared off flush with the end of the crank. I think I should be able to extract the broken bolts out but I could use some recommendations on how to remove the broken pin. Is it just pressed in place? Robert _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From list at mackenzie.aero Wed May 26 20:25:01 2010 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 21:25:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts - Part 2.1 Message-ID: <003001cafd43$cfca7ab0$6f5f7010$@aero> Posted a photo on the FOT Facebook page if you want to see what I am dealing with. From cwnfot at gmail.com Wed May 26 21:32:16 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 23:32:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Anyone remember Timothy Baker, Spitfire racer Message-ID: <003f01cafd4d$35161830$9f424890$@com> I came across an ex-racer today, Timothy Baker, who drove an early Mk4 Spitfire (car built 1969). He raced until around 1980 I think. More details and items of interest to follow. Anyone remember him from the old days? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Thu May 27 06:04:02 2010 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 05:04:02 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts - Part 2 Message-ID: <12267165.1274961842779.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi Robert, what I have seen is when the flywheel comes loose it vibrates and shears the bolts and pin. You should always use loctite and torque them to spec. Chances are your flywheel is bad from the vibration. I have Alloy flywheels for the Spitfires if you need one. thanks Joe -----Original Message----- >From: Robert MacKenzie >Sent: May 26, 2010 7:09 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts - Part 2 > >Thanks to everybody for the advice I received today. >I pulled the gearbox earlier today and the clutch and flywheel fell on to >the floor. Never a good sign. >The four flywheel retaining bolts and the pin in the crankshaft have sheared >off flush with the end of > the crank. >I think I should be able to extract the broken bolts out but I could use >some recommendations on how to remove the broken pin. >Is it just pressed in place? > >Robert >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsiam1 at earthlink.net > > Chequered Flag Racing .net Joseph P. Siam 9833 Deering Ave unit I Chatsworth Ca 91311 818 350 6222 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu May 27 08:03:16 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: <70e4a.14474f21.392fd274@aol.com> Message-ID: <1666848375.1634511274968996527.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> That's 1250 per ramp . That's 2500 combined, only 1/2 the car weight is on the ramps at any given moment. My car weighs in at aboutB # 2400. I have a 3100 lb corvette that I wouldn't think twice about loading with them. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:49:40 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In a message dated 05/26/2010 8:14:29 PM Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: Dambach ramps makes either flat or cambered 5' aluminum ramps for 70.00 each. They are rated for 1250 each I've been using them and they are great and super light. I carry them both in one hand. While I like everything else about them, I read that as 1,250 pounds total load capacity (625 pounds each).B That'd be too light for my race cars. Bill Dentinger Dambach ramps makes either flat or cambered 5' aluminum ramps for 70.00 each. They are rated for 1250 each I've been using them and they are great and super light. I carry them both in one hand. While I like everything else about them, I read that as 1,250 pounds total load capacity (625 pounds each).B That'd be too light for my race cars. Bill Dentinger From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 27 08:12:06 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 16:12:06 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: <1666848375.1634511274968996527.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <70e4a.14474f21.392fd274@aol.com> <1666848375.1634511274968996527.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000701cafda6$97de09b0$c79a1d10$@com> Why not taking a wooden plank? I use that from time to time and lend it from another driver if he is around. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Mai 2010 16:03 An: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot Betreff: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question That's 1250 per ramp . That's 2500 combined, only 1/2 the car weight is on the ramps at any given moment. My car weighs in at aboutB # 2400. I have a 3100 lb corvette that I wouldn't think twice about loading with them. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:49:40 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In a message dated 05/26/2010 8:14:29 PM Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: Dambach ramps makes either flat or cambered 5' aluminum ramps for 70.00 each. They are rated for 1250 each I've been using them and they are great and super light. I carry them both in one hand. While I like everything else about them, I read that as 1,250 pounds total load capacity (625 pounds each).B That'd be too light for my race cars. Bill Dentinger Dambach ramps makes either flat or cambered 5' aluminum ramps for 70.00 each. They are rated for 1250 each I've been using them and they are great and super light. I carry them both in one hand. While I like everything else about them, I read that as 1,250 pounds total load capacity (625 pounds each).B That'd be too light for my race cars. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tedtsimx at bright.net Thu May 27 10:33:35 2010 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:33:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll In-Reply-To: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4BFE9EDF.9090008@bright.net> We supply Kevlar or carbon Kevlar pads. The carbon Kevlar has a ceramic heat shield built into the pads between the back of the friction material and the steel backing plate.Reduces heat transfer to the caliper. Kevlar shoes as well Both materials are a drum/rotor friendly compound that does not need to be warmed up. Commercially, Ted toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Greetings FoT > > > > I'm just taking a poll of what brake pads & shoes are being used. I have been > > using the Porterfield vintage compound on the front because of exceptional > > initial bite. Unfortunately the last two times I raced the car on freshly > turned > > rotors with new pads I end up cooking the pads & rotorsB in a single weekend. > > I'm not ready to throw Porterfield under the proverbial busB but so far I'm > not seeing > > anything in the front end or calipers that would cause the problem. > > Both times the rotors scored up pretty bad all the way across. > > The pads have a gap at the outboard edge of the pads ( top )B and snug at the > inboard side. > > The smell of cooked brakes is present and blue rings toward the inboard edges > > of the rotors. Chunks of pad missing, pads glazed. The rears have performed > great, > > no problems. I had to use the brakes so hard over the 15th & 16th I still have > a prononced limp, > > no joke. I do have Uncle Jack's spindles and have a real good pedal, no fade > or kickback. > > > > Thanks for the input, > > Jim G. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx at bright.net > > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu May 27 10:38:42 2010 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:38:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: <8CCCB16B34251D5-17A0-1550@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> References: <1050676CE457467EBD2362E560D5CF09@sys>, <43D9141DF7D6443A8019F772DFFB96B7@Charly>, <8CCCB16B34251D5-17A0-1550@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: My previous trailer had ramps that took two men and a boy to move around. I mounted two casters to a piece of c-channel and would pin it to the end of the ramp. I could then pull the ramp out and wheel it around to to end of the trailer, pop off the caster arrangement and drive the car up. My ramps on that trailer stored in through the side not the back so it made it much easier. Marty > To: charly at mitchelplumbing.com; dave at microworks.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:16:31 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question > > Funny thing you should ask. I have a set that came with my new trailer. They > are heavy and overbuilt. I am going to go back to the fabricator and have a > pair made to my requirements. At the end of the day, I am not excited about > wrestling around ramps that will support a Bobcat or Forklift. > > Joe A > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charly Mitchel > To: Dave Riddle ; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 12:18 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question > > > Funny thing you should ask. I use fir 2X12's 8' long to load my TR6. You just > need to take care of them. And look for splits and keep them painted. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu May 27 11:05:56 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:05:56 EDT Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question Message-ID: <8a167.2290f436.39300074@cs.com> When my ramps need wheels, I am going to retire.... :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- My previous trailer had ramps that took two men and a boy to move around. I mounted two casters to a piece of c-channel and would pin it to the end of the ramp. I could then pull the ramp out and wheel it around to to end of the trailer, pop off the caster arrangement and drive the car up. My ramps on that trailer stored in through the side not the back so it made it much easier. From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 27 11:29:58 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:29:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question References: <8a167.2290f436.39300074@cs.com> Message-ID: <8A4F50B8A325481EACA222DC0A52CCE4@Bud> that's kinda what I was thinkin'....My ramps are waaay too heavy, but it keeps me going to the gym..(:>). Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question > When my ramps need wheels, I am going to retire.... :-) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------- > > My previous trailer had ramps that took two men and a boy to move around. > I > mounted two casters to a piece of c-channel and would pin it to the end of > the > ramp. I could then pull the ramp out and wheel it around to to end of the > trailer, pop off the caster arrangement and drive the car up. My ramps on > that > trailer stored in through the side not the back so it made it much easier. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From rocky at spitfire4.com Thu May 27 12:27:26 2010 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:27:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question References: <70e4a.14474f21.392fd274@aol.com><1666848375.1634511274968996527.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <000701cafda6$97de09b0$c79a1d10$@com> Message-ID: The guy who homebuilt my trailer (originally for his MGB) did it with 4' wooden ramps. He designed a nice metal ramp-end that hooks into the end of the trailer, to which I can bolt (and replace as needed) the wooden ramps. Nowadays I've stretched them to 5' so the ramp is not as steep -- I buy a 10' 2x8 and cut it in half. I tried treated wood once but didn't like it because it was so heavy, so went back to regular pine. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question > Why not taking a wooden plank? > I use that from time to time and lend it from another driver if he is > around. > > Chris From BillDentin at aol.com Thu May 27 13:07:02 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 15:07:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question Message-ID: In a message dated 05/27/2010 9:03:18 AM Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: > That's 1250 per ramp. That's 2500 combined, only 1/2 the car weight is on > the ramps at any given moment. My car weighs in at about # 2400. I have a > 3100 lb corvette that I wouldn't think twice about loading with them. > Interesting. I revisited the website and see that while a pair of ramps is shown in the picture, the description is definitely for just one (-1-) and lists 1,250 lbs as the total weight. A pair of them would then rate 2,500 lbs and certainly handle my TR3. I also did not consider that with five foot ramps while only one set of wheels is on the ramps at any one time, they are not dealing with the car's total weight. Now I am using 2x12 white oak boards with aluminum ends. They are dressed, or finished so they're a lot closer to 1 1/2x11 in actual size and 8/4" long. They are heavy, but I can still manage them. My Pace American box trailer does not have a ramp door, but is quite low to the ground, and with 8'4'" ramps it is easy to push cars in. But I must say, those aluminum ramps look very interesting. The five foot length would impact the pitch. Do you use a winch to load? I have one, but I almost never use it, as it is a piece of cake for two people to load without. Bill Dentinger From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu May 27 14:20:13 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20059770.1786301274991613687.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Bill, I drive it on but I have other loading challenges that are more of a side issue. My frame to ground clearance is less than 3.5". On top of that I have a lame header ( for the time being ) that reduces that by another inch. So I have to raise the tounge and that sort of thing. Until I build my new header I use the ramps in conjunction with my trailer ramp. For the price you can't beat them with a stick and come sunday night that light weight makes life a bit easier. I shopped for ramps for a couple weeks before I found the Dumbachs. Everything else I found in aluminum was double the price I paid. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:07:02 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In a message dated 05/27/2010 9:03:18 AM Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: That's 1250 per ramp . That's 2500 combined, only 1/2 the car weight is on the ramps at any given moment. My car weighs in at about # 2400. I have a 3100 lb corvette that I wouldn't think twice about loading with them. Interesting.B I revisited the website and see that while a pair of ramps is shown in the picture, the description is definitely for just one (-1-) and lists 1,250 lbs as the total weight.B A pair of them would then rate 2,500 lbs and certainly handle my TR3.B I also did not consider that with five foot ramps while only one set of wheels is on the ramps at any one time, they are not dealing with the car's total weight.B Now I am using 2x12 white oak boards with aluminum ends.B They are dressed, or finished so they're a lot closer to 1 1/2x11 in actual size and 8/4" long.B They are heavy, but I can still manage them.B My Pace American box trailer does not have a ramp door, but is quite low to the ground, and with 8'4'" ramps it is easy to push cars in. But I must say, those aluminum ramps look very interesting.B The five foot length would impact the pitch.B Do you use a winch to load?B I have one, but I almost never use it, as it is a piece of cake for two people to load without. Bill Dentinger B B That's 1250 per ramp . That's 2500 combined, only 1/2 the car weight is on the ramps at any given moment. My car weighs in at about # 2400. I have a 3100 lb corvette that I wouldn't think twice about loading with them. Interesting.B I revisited the website and see that while a pair of ramps is shown in the picture, the description is definitely for just one (-1-) and lists 1,250 lbs as the total weight.B A pair of them would then rate 2,500 lbs and certainly handle my TR3.B I also did not consider that with five foot ramps while only one set of wheels is on the ramps at any one time, they are not dealing with the car's total weight.B Now I am using 2x12 white oak boards with aluminum ends.B They are dressed, or finished so they're a lot closer to 1 1/2x11 in actual size and 8/4" long.B They are heavy, but I can still manage them.B My Pace American box trailer does not have a ramp door, but is quite low to the ground, and with 8'4'" ramps it is easy to push cars in. But I must say, those aluminum ramps look very interesting.B The five foot length would impact the pitch.B Do you use a winch to load?B I have one, but I almost never use it, as it is a piece of cake for two people to load without. Bill Dentinger B B From cwnfot at gmail.com Thu May 27 15:11:27 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:11:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 Message-ID: <004201cafde1$2c9ee440$85dcacc0$@com> Just wondering if there will be a FOT presence at the Mosport vintage event June 18-19-20? I understand Bill Rampe will be there with Tony Fox crewing. I'll be there crewing for a 1951 MGTD. (search youtube for Frank Filangeri) http://www.varac.ca/pdfs/2010%20VARAC%20FEST%20ENTRY.pdf Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From andre at gt6.ca Thu May 27 15:16:28 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:16:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 In-Reply-To: <004201cafde1$2c9ee440$85dcacc0$@com> References: <004201cafde1$2c9ee440$85dcacc0$@com> Message-ID: Errr not really FOT worthy, but I'll be there :) A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 27 May 2010 17:11, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > Just wondering if there will be a FOT presence at the Mosport vintage event > June 18-19-20? > > I understand Bill Rampe will be there with Tony Fox crewing. > > I'll be there crewing for a 1951 MGTD. > > (search youtube for Frank Filangeri) > > http://www.varac.ca/pdfs/2010%20VARAC%20FEST%20ENTRY.pdf > > > > Clark > > Clark W. Nicholls > > 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) > > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu May 27 16:53:36 2010 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 18:53:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <967604.72871.qm@smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Worthy enough...you're a Triumph guy, vintage racing....that's enough for now. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: May 27, 2010 5:16 PM To: Clark W. Nicholls Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 Errr not really FOT worthy, but I'll be there :) A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 27 May 2010 17:11, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > Just wondering if there will be a FOT presence at the Mosport vintage event > June 18-19-20? > > I understand Bill Rampe will be there with Tony Fox crewing. > > I'll be there crewing for a 1951 MGTD. > > (search youtube for Frank Filangeri) > > http://www.varac.ca/pdfs/2010%20VARAC%20FEST%20ENTRY.pdf > > > > Clark > > Clark W. Nicholls > > 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) > > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu May 27 18:20:53 2010 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:20:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 References: <967604.72871.qm@smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I for one would like to return to Mosport another time. The FOT event there in 2003 (?) was a lot of fun and to be at such an historic track was a check off the bucket list. Yep it's very worthy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "macdonaldp" To: "'Andre Rousseau'" ; "'Clark W. Nicholls'" Cc: "'FoT Triumph'" Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 > Worthy enough...you're a Triumph guy, vintage racing....that's enough for > now. > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Andre Rousseau > Sent: May 27, 2010 5:16 PM > To: Clark W. Nicholls > Cc: FoT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 > > Errr not really FOT worthy, but I'll be there :) > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > > > On 27 May 2010 17:11, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >> Just wondering if there will be a FOT presence at the Mosport vintage > event >> June 18-19-20? >> >> I understand Bill Rampe will be there with Tony Fox crewing. >> >> I'll be there crewing for a 1951 MGTD. >> >> (search youtube for Frank Filangeri) >> >> http://www.varac.ca/pdfs/2010%20VARAC%20FEST%20ENTRY.pdf >> >> >> >> Clark >> >> Clark W. Nicholls >> >> 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) >> >> "Reality, it's not what you think." >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From andre at gt6.ca Thu May 27 19:00:58 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:00:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 In-Reply-To: References: <967604.72871.qm@smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Its the 50th anniversary for the track to boot. A. On 27 May 2010 20:20, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: > I for one would like to return to Mosport another time. The FOT event there > in 2003 (?) was a lot of fun and to be at such an historic track was a check > off the bucket list. Yep it's very worthy. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "macdonaldp" > To: "'Andre Rousseau'" ; "'Clark W. Nicholls'" > > Cc: "'FoT Triumph'" > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 > > >> Worthy enough...you're a Triumph guy, vintage racing....that's enough for >> now. >> >> Paul >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Andre Rousseau >> Sent: May 27, 2010 5:16 PM >> To: Clark W. Nicholls >> Cc: FoT Triumph >> Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 >> >> Errr not really FOT worthy, but I'll be there :) >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> >> >> >> On 27 May 2010 17:11, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >>> >>> Just wondering if there will be a FOT presence at the Mosport vintage >> >> event >>> >>> June 18-19-20? >>> >>> I understand Bill Rampe will be there with Tony Fox crewing. >>> >>> I'll be there crewing for a 1951 MGTD. >>> >>> (search youtube for Frank Filangeri) >>> >>> http://www.varac.ca/pdfs/2010%20VARAC%20FEST%20ENTRY.pdf >>> >>> >>> >>> Clark >>> >>> Clark W. Nicholls >>> >>> 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) >>> >>> "Reality, it's not what you think." >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com >> >> >> > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 27 19:41:41 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:41:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Message-ID: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> FOT list members: I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand all of the features and what they do. When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET BIRDMEN.' With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is difficult to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately highly regarded. So........ What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or another. Thanks! Joe A From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 27 19:49:50 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 18:49:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2D108A36A8EB49B18F58D70222A07562@Bud> Hi Joe...I don't know...I may also be 'unclued'...We need help/advice from the..FOT Youngsters. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:41 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > FOT list members: > > I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand > all > of the features and what they do. > > When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and > largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET > BIRDMEN.' > > With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is > difficult > to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately > highly > regarded. > > So........ > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > > I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or > another. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 27 20:01:15 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:01:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <2D108A36A8EB49B18F58D70222A07562@Bud> References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <2D108A36A8EB49B18F58D70222A07562@Bud> Message-ID: <8CCCC20CA2DC4DB-17C-50D7@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> I like the FB postings and pictures. It is another dimension of communication I enjoyed looking at yours tonight. But how do I know you are an FOT? (of course I do) rhetorical question. Or does it matter? thanks! -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD To: fot at autox.team.net; n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 8:49 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Hi Joe...I don't know...I may also be 'unclued'...We need help/advice from the..FOT Youngsters. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:41 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > FOT list members: > > I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand > all > of the features and what they do. > > When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and > largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET > BIRDMEN.' > > With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is > difficult > to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately > highly > regarded. > > So........ > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > > I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or > another. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From dave at microworks.net Thu May 27 20:02:25 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:02:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <2D108A36A8EB49B18F58D70222A07562@Bud> References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <2D108A36A8EB49B18F58D70222A07562@Bud> Message-ID: <2DD7C8B34D344CAC99F26A9BDD4BB76E@sys> Welll... Since I created the group I guess I'll answer. Being an invite List only kept it low key for sure, but the website certainly would have increased exposure. Having a "portal" on FB allows members to share videos and photos. Those items are stripped for good reason from list messages and would be a bit much to ask of Mordy to add on an ongoing basis to the website. Plus you can always "share" other members pixs of the toys with your other FB friends. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:50 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; n197tr4 at cs.com Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Hi Joe...I don't know...I may also be 'unclued'...We need help/advice from the..FOT Youngsters. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:41 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > FOT list members: > > I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand > all > of the features and what they do. > > When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and > largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET > BIRDMEN.' > > With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is > difficult > to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately > highly > regarded. > > So........ > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > > I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or > another. > > Thanks! > > Joe A From mlcooknj at msn.com Thu May 27 20:04:18 2010 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:04:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I suggest that FOT members read the latest issue of TIME magazine which has an article exposng some of the less desirable aspects of Facebook. I personally do not want to be in volved with Facebook in any way. Mike Cook > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:41:41 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > FOT list members: > > I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand all > of the features and what they do. > > When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and > largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET BIRDMEN.' > > With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is difficult > to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately highly > regarded. > > So........ > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > > I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or > another. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From dave at microworks.net Thu May 27 20:27:03 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:27:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5BA433D1A0234FE2BDACA64382BBF0C4@sys> This is funny considering that Time has a presence on FB http://www.facebook.com/time Here is an article that Time did last year on FB. Note the title of the Article. "Why Facebook Is for Old Fogies" http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1879169,00.html Since Time (printed on dead trees) like most other legacy media is a day late and a dollar short here is actually their "latest" info re: FB that they "published" today and not last week. http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/05/27/times-qa-with-facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerbe rg/ Here is the article from Time on Dead Tree that Michael was referring too http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1990582,00.html Note this quote from the article: "...Facebook represents a tremendous cultural shift, particularly since 28% of the site's users are older than 34, Facebook's fastest-growing demographic..." Any new technology has pluses and minuses. Paying your bills on-line is not without risk. I'll keep do that as long as I take normal precautions. For anyone that posts on FB (or does anything on the Internet) if you think what you are doing is private and that noone will see it than you are sadly mistaken. Anything I put up, be it on FB or my own personal site http://www.davesdroppings.com Imust anticipate that it could come back to me in the future. As long as you are comfortable with that you can live part of your live on-line. If you're not then don't. Choice is a great option. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael cook Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:04 PM To: Joe Alexander; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? I suggest that FOT members read the latest issue of TIME magazine which has an article exposng some of the less desirable aspects of Facebook. I personally do not want to be in volved with Facebook in any way. Mike Cook > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:41:41 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > FOT list members: > > I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand all > of the features and what they do. > > When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and > largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET BIRDMEN.' > > With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is difficult > to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately highly > regarded. > > So........ > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > > I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or > another. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dave at microworks.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 27 20:53:52 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:53:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. Message-ID: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> I do dumb stuff sometimes....of course. A couple of weeks ago I started to prepare the TR3A for an oil change. Today, I carefully replaced the filter and filter body. Thinking I had already drained the pan, I poured 6 quarts of oil in the engine and checked the dipstick. Nope, that cant be right. The oil is dirty looking and reads high on the dipstick. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ I did something like this about 40 years ago with a Bugeye Sprite. Only this time I drained the oil and forgot to replace the drain plug. It took about four quart pour for that brand new oil to spread out to my shoes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- I doubt if BRITISH PETROLEUM would be very excited about my problems. From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 27 20:54:52 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:54:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <5BA433D1A0234FE2BDACA64382BBF0C4@sys> Message-ID: <8E197705FBCB48B68B5DD1406E37F306@Bud> I've been tryin' to get someone to steal my identity for years..(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Riddle" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > This is funny considering that Time has a presence on FB > > http://www.facebook.com/time > > Here is an article that Time did last year on FB. Note the title of the > Article. "Why Facebook Is for Old Fogies" > > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1879169,00.html > > Since Time (printed on dead trees) like most other legacy media is a day > late and a dollar short here is actually their "latest" info re: FB that > they "published" today and not last week. > > http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/05/27/times-qa-with-facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerbe > rg/ > > Here is the article from Time on Dead Tree that Michael was referring too > > http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1990582,00.html > > Note this quote from the article: "...Facebook represents a tremendous > cultural shift, particularly since 28% of the site's users are older than > 34, Facebook's fastest-growing demographic..." > > Any new technology has pluses and minuses. Paying your bills on-line is > not > without risk. I'll keep do that as long as I take normal precautions. > For > anyone that posts on FB (or does anything on the Internet) if you think > what > you are doing is private and that noone will see it than you are sadly > mistaken. Anything I put up, be it on FB or my own personal site > http://www.davesdroppings.com Imust anticipate that it could come back to > me > in the future. As long as you are comfortable with that you can live part > of your live on-line. If you're not then don't. Choice is a great > option. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of michael cook > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:04 PM > To: Joe Alexander; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > I suggest that FOT members read the latest issue of TIME magazine which > has > an > article exposng some of the less desirable aspects of Facebook. I > personally > do not want to be in volved with Facebook in any way. > > > > Mike Cook > >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:41:41 -0400 >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? >> >> FOT list members: >> >> I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand > all >> of the features and what they do. >> >> When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key >> and >> largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET > BIRDMEN.' >> >> With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is > difficult >> to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately > highly >> regarded. >> >> So........ >> >> What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? >> >> I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or >> another. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dave at microworks.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 27 20:56:18 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:56:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. References: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6B675031F0214429B17FEAAEAB70B6A1@Bud> Good job for havn' a great sense of Humor!! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:53 PM Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. >I do dumb stuff sometimes....of course. > > A couple of weeks ago I started to prepare the TR3A for an oil change. > > Today, I carefully replaced the filter and filter body. > > Thinking I had already drained the pan, I poured 6 quarts of oil in the > engine > and checked the dipstick. > > Nope, that cant be right. The oil is dirty looking and reads high on the > dipstick. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > I did something like this about 40 years ago with a Bugeye Sprite. > > Only this time I drained the oil and forgot to replace the drain plug. > > It took about four quart pour for that brand new oil to spread out to my > shoes. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > I doubt if BRITISH PETROLEUM would be very excited about my problems. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 27 21:07:42 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:07:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <8E197705FBCB48B68B5DD1406E37F306@Bud> References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <5BA433D1A0234FE2BDACA64382BBF0C4@sys> <8E197705FBCB48B68B5DD1406E37F306@Bud> Message-ID: <4BFF337E.5000309@bradakis.com> RACER BUD wrote: > I've been tryin' to get someone to steal my identity for years..(:>) Having been for the most part out of work for four and a half years, anyone who tries to hijack my credit rating deserves what they get! mjb. From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Thu May 27 21:19:28 2010 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <8E197705FBCB48B68B5DD1406E37F306@Bud> Message-ID: <660388.9451.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've been tryin' to get someone to steal my identity for years..(:>) Racer Bud anyone wants mine, theyre welcome to it also ... ;>))) Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Thu, 5/27/10, RACER BUD wrote: From: RACER BUD Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? To: "Dave Riddle" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 9:54 PM I've been tryin' to get someone to steal my identity for years..(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Riddle" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 27 21:30:42 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:30:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: References: <1050676CE457467EBD2362E560D5CF09@sys>, <43D9141DF7D6443A8019F772DFFB96B7@Charly>, <8CCCB16B34251D5-17A0-1550@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4BFF38E2.6060504@bradakis.com> I've got a custom built trailer for Spitfires that uses no ramps, it tilts. On many occasions I've climbed into the cockpit, fired it up and started to back down the trailer only to have someone rush up telling me to stop, I forgot the ramps. It is often quite humorous to watch their expression as I move the car back a few more inches and the tilt the trailer bed down. mjb. From kaskas at cox.net Thu May 27 21:29:44 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:29:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100527232944.K2MZA.549137.imail@fed1rmwml29> You have got my vote on that. ---- michael cook wrote: ============= I suggest that FOT members read the latest issue of TIME magazine which has an article exposng some of the less desirable aspects of Facebook. I personally do not want to be in volved with Facebook in any way. Mike Cook > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:41:41 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > FOT list members: > > I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand all > of the features and what they do. > > When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and > largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET BIRDMEN.' > > With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is difficult > to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately highly > regarded. > > So........ > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > > I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or > another. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 27 21:36:18 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:36:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. In-Reply-To: <6B675031F0214429B17FEAAEAB70B6A1@Bud> References: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <6B675031F0214429B17FEAAEAB70B6A1@Bud> Message-ID: <4BFF3A32.4080007@bradakis.com> >> Thinking I had already drained the pan, I poured 6 quarts of oil in >> the engine >> and checked the dipstick. >> >> Nope, that cant be right. The oil is dirty looking and reads high on the >> dipstick. Have you considered a career at JiffyLube? mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 27 21:39:21 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:39:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <660388.9451.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <684707198B4F45AE9B96BE8068B0B293@Bud> I'm not putting down Facebook or afraid of it.....I was just makin' a joke....I'm Happy to Embrace New Technology...I still like side curtained cars more than those with roll up windows, ..I also realize that without technology there would be no FOT....HAVE NO FEAR GANG....TAKE THE INSIDE LINE!....Wooohoo!..RB ----- Original Message ----- From: tom strange To: Dave Riddle ; fot at autox.team.net ; RACER BUD Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? I've been tryin' to get someone to steal my identity for years..(:>) Racer Bud anyone wants mine, theyre welcome to it also ... ;>))) Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Thu, 5/27/10, RACER BUD wrote: From: RACER BUD Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? To: "Dave Riddle" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 9:54 PM I've been tryin' to get someone to steal my identity for years..(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Riddle" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 27 21:42:50 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:42:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Seeya Gang Message-ID: <76A1B811C0404BC99ED48A4F34DB40EA@Bud> I'm hittin' the old Racer Bud Rack..Good Night Gang! RB From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 27 21:49:11 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:49:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Seeya Gang In-Reply-To: <76A1B811C0404BC99ED48A4F34DB40EA@Bud> References: <76A1B811C0404BC99ED48A4F34DB40EA@Bud> Message-ID: <4BFF3D37.8090607@bradakis.com> RACER BUD wrote: > I'm hittin' the old Racer Bud Rack..Good Night Gang! > Don't fall asleep with your face in a book. mjb. From gasket.works at gte.net Thu May 27 21:45:31 2010 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 03:45:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Message-ID: <1928869229-1275018329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-811164547-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> My opinion is that facebook although perhaps well intentioned has a darker side that is not entirely clear to me. This networked and interconnected program is something I have joined very reluctantly but, in a limited way. ------Original Message------ From: n197tr4 at cs.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Sent: May 27, 2010 6:41 PM FOT list members: I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand all of the features and what they do. When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET BIRDMEN.' With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is difficult to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately highly regarded. So........ What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or another. Thanks! Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From dave at microworks.net Thu May 27 22:02:27 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:02:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <1928869229-1275018329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-811164547-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1928869229-1275018329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-811164547-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: The world is indeed getting evermore interconnected. FB is "fun" if you treat it that way. Reconnecting with old real friends from High School and College Fraternity Brothers, etc.. I don't get nor do I want to get the on-line games that are available. I had mentioned I was amazed at the number of FOT that were on FB based on the data that can be gleaned from on-line services like LinkedIn and FB that show up automatically in the add-in I use with Outlook. FYI: up to 53 on the FB Group now Watch this video of the app to see what I mean http://www.xobni.com/learnmore/ With as interconnected and how easy it is to find this data anymore I would love to learn how difficult it is now to create cover stories or hide info for our operatives. Back in the day this was not something I had to worry about. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 8:46 PM To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? My opinion is that facebook although perhaps well intentioned has a darker side that is not entirely clear to me. This networked and interconnected program is something I have joined very reluctantly but, in a limited way. From billb at bnj.com Thu May 27 22:46:04 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:46:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <5BA433D1A0234FE2BDACA64382BBF0C4@sys> References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <5BA433D1A0234FE2BDACA64382BBF0C4@sys> Message-ID: <079DFF7A-24FC-4DCC-8A85-770A66FE1DBA@bnj.com> Very funny Dave, and very true. All of the new media is what you make of it. If you put things online that you don't want people to see, then you're a bit foolish. When we interview someone for a job the first thing we do is take a look at their online personality--wherever it's posted. And many people put themselves all over the web, not just facebook. Honestly, magazines are for Doctors offices. I can hardly believe that newspapers still exist. One look at the Popular Science application, the NPR app, or the Financial times app on an ipad and it's easy to see where magazines are headed. On May 27, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Dave Riddle wrote: > This is funny considering that Time has a presence on FB > > http://www.facebook.com/time From billb at bnj.com Thu May 27 23:12:37 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:12:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <1928869229-1275018329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-811164547-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1928869229-1275018329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-811164547-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Just like duct tape and "the force". All of the new ways we communicate have a dark side. So did the old ones. I have a hard time understanding people not wanting to participate in new technologies, it seems like an early withdrawal from new experiences. I'm not dead yet. I've been playing with all these toys since they started. If facebook were a country it would be the fourth largest in the world. A very high end recruiter I know told me that every senior level position he or his company placed in the last two years involved contacts made through LinkedIn. The easiest way to coordinate any event--from meeting for lunch to rioting--is twitter. Grayson Chance's youtube video of his sixth grade talent festival has 22 million views. A recording company signed him to head him off from promoting his music by himself. He's certainly worth a few million this evening. In the sixth grade. New world folks. Honestly, fretting about Facebook is pretty 2008. On May 27, 2010, at 8:45 PM, gasket.works at gte.net wrote: > My opinion is that facebook although perhaps well intentioned has a darker side that is not entirely clear to me. This networked and interconnected program is something I have joined very reluctantly but, in a limited way. From henry at henryfrye.com Fri May 28 06:36:45 2010 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 08:36:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050567BB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> I yearn for the days when the FOT flew so far under the radar that the people who found out about us actually fit the criteria to belong. The FOT has morphed into something far from it's roots. That's what happens when there are no rules. Do I like it? No. Do I miss what we once had, a forum where real Triumph racers really discussed issues pertinent to the sport? Sure I do. I know I am not alone here, every race I attend this subject comes up in conversation. Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction back towards our roots? Obviously not. Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction the majority of current FOT want? I can't say. I don't know who the current FOT are. I just hope the newbies in the sport are getting the support I got when I was starting out. The relationships I have made here over the years have made a huge difference to my racing success. I just don't see that level of support these days. Hopefully the support is happening offline. The resources we have available here are vast, and from what I have read over the past couple years, virtually untapped. -----Original Message----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? From jhd11 at hotmail.com Fri May 28 07:37:52 2010 From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 13:37:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I am a FOT list newbie but have always been a FOT having owned a TR6 since 1974 and been around SCCA and racing just as long. I use facebook sparingly and mainly because I wanted to see what my 16 year old daughter was up to! I appreciate being a member of this list and have already been able to use the experience of the group to help in our TR6 race car build! I don't think a facebook presence will deter from what FOT is. It can be used by those of us that want to to share photos and maintain additional contact and not used by others with little or no impact to the group. It depends on us and how we use it! Joe Downer Charlotte, N.C. > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:41:41 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > FOT list members: > > I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand all > of the features and what they do. > > When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and > largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET BIRDMEN.' > > With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is difficult > to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately highly > regarded. > > So........ > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > > I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or > another. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhd11 at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 From wensley_tr at comcast.net Fri May 28 07:54:13 2010 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:54:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: References: <1928869229-1275018329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-811164547-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <003201cafe6d$41d1f690$c575e3b0$@net> Soon we will add Skype with video calls, so we can work out problems with the cars (Hmm) Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Riddle Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 12:02 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? The world is indeed getting evermore interconnected. FB is "fun" if you treat it that way. Reconnecting with old real friends from High School and College Fraternity Brothers, etc.. I don't get nor do I want to get the on-line games that are available. I had mentioned I was amazed at the number of FOT that were on FB based on the data that can be gleaned from on-line services like LinkedIn and FB that show up automatically in the add-in I use with Outlook. FYI: up to 53 on the FB Group now Watch this video of the app to see what I mean http://www.xobni.com/learnmore/ With as interconnected and how easy it is to find this data anymore I would love to learn how difficult it is now to create cover stories or hide info for our operatives. Back in the day this was not something I had to worry about. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 8:46 PM To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? My opinion is that facebook although perhaps well intentioned has a darker side that is not entirely clear to me. This networked and interconnected program is something I have joined very reluctantly but, in a limited way. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From gasket.works at verizon.net Fri May 28 08:06:00 2010 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:06:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <1928869229-1275018329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-811164547-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <001401cafe6e$e76c42d0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Bill: Good comments and progressive thinking. All these social medias have some merit. Interestingly, my cousin put my name on a list called GENI (geneology repository) where all family members are listed, with Mothers maiden name, contact information, and more.... What was he thinking? He was so naive in thinking that this program would remind family of Birthdates, Deaths, Wedding anneversaries, and all dates sacred. I have told my sons to be extrordinarily careful on the facebook as it could come back to bite them in ways they did not intend. Precisely for the reasons you mentioned. i.e. job interviews. We have a professional life and a private life. Looking into someones personna by way of this surrogate is not entirely accurate and can paint an image that may not be what you want the interviewer to see. I can give many examples. I sometimes think of facebook as a powerful magnet and ideal mecca for exhibitionists and voyerism. Personality traits that many people need - precisely why it is so enticing and addictive. Like I said I joined reluctantly... Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > Just like duct tape and "the force". All of the new ways we communicate > have a dark side. So did the old ones. I have a hard time understanding > people not wanting to participate in new technologies, it seems like an > early withdrawal from new experiences. I'm not dead yet. I've been > playing with all these toys since they started. If facebook were a country > it would be the fourth largest in the world. A very high end recruiter I > know told me that every senior level position he or his company placed in > the last two years involved contacts made through LinkedIn. The easiest > way to coordinate any event--from meeting for lunch to rioting--is > twitter. Grayson Chance's youtube video of his sixth grade talent > festival has 22 million views. A recording company signed him to head him > off from promoting his music by himself. He's certainly worth a few > million this evening. In the sixth grade. > > New world folks. Honestly, fretting about Facebook is pretty 2008. > > > On May 27, 2010, at 8:45 PM, gasket.works at gte.net wrote: > >> My opinion is that facebook although perhaps well intentioned has a >> darker side that is not entirely clear to me. This networked and >> interconnected program is something I have joined very reluctantly but, >> in a limited way. From billb at bnj.com Fri May 28 08:11:07 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:11:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <81F324B6-FD94-4D38-8245-C3E34D43B046@bnj.com> What he said. I don't think anyone is going to move the conversation to facebook. Mark has built fine and sophisticated forum systems and offered them to us over the years. Few takers. The FOT email list with all it's restrictions is perfect for what we do. Adding a facebook group enables us to easily share pictures and video. There are other tools to do that, but facebook brings them all into one place with a single simple interface. The FOT facebook presence can be as private as the list. Or not. My previous tirade was not about FOT, but about being nervous about new technologies and social tools. It's all in how you use them. On May 28, 2010, at 6:37 AM, Joe Henry wrote: > I am a FOT list newbie but have always been a FOT having owned a TR6 since > 1974 and been around SCCA and racing just as long. I use facebook sparingly > and mainly because I wanted to see what my 16 year old daughter was up to! I > appreciate being a member of this list and have already been able to use the > experience of the group to help in our TR6 race car build! I don't think a > facebook presence will deter from what FOT is. It can be used by those of us > that want to to share photos and maintain additional contact and not used by > others with little or no impact to the group. It depends on us and how we use > it! > > Joe Downer > Charlotte, N.C. From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri May 28 08:12:31 2010 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. In-Reply-To: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <98344.56392.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Joe: I did that many years ago on my Kubota tractor. I blame it on interuptions since I was much too young to suffer from oldtimers disease. It amazed me how much oil could go into that diesel tractor engine! And nothing ever grew in that spot as long as we were living there! -Ed- --- On Thu, 5/27/10, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: From: n197tr4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 9:53 PM I do dumb stuff sometimes....of course. A couple of weeks ago I started to prepare the TR3A for an oil change. Today, I carefully replaced the filter and filter body. Thinking I had already drained the pan, I poured 6 quarts of oil in the engine and checked the dipstick. Nope, that cant be right. The oil is dirty looking and reads high on the dipstick. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ I did something like this about 40 years ago with a Bugeye Sprite. Only this time I drained the oil and forgot to replace the drain plug. It took about four quart pour for that brand new oil to spread out to my shoes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- I doubt if BRITISH PETROLEUM would be very excited about my problems. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From billb at bnj.com Fri May 28 08:23:00 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:23:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. In-Reply-To: <98344.56392.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <98344.56392.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1EA61DE5-1E13-4BD4-9798-160B68AEC025@bnj.com> As the poster boy for ADD, I considered it my duty to have done every possible combination of screwing up an oil change, from not draining the oil before adding, to leaving the drain plug out, to leaving the oil filter off, to forgetting to replace the oil filter, to forgetting to drain the oil before dropping the pan. My crowning glory was forgetting to put the oil pan back on after a fevered in the paddock piston/cylinder replacement. Two quarts, straight to the tarmac. From BillDentin at aol.com Fri May 28 08:41:06 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:41:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. Message-ID: In a message dated 05/28/2010 9:24:19 AM Central Daylight Time, billb at bnj.com writes: > As the poster boy for ADD, I considered it my duty to have done every > possible > combination of screwing up an oil change, from not draining the oil before > adding, to leaving the drain plug out, to leaving the oil filter off, to > forgetting to replace the oil filter, to forgetting to drain the oil > before > dropping the pan. My crowning glory was forgetting to put the oil pan back > on > after a fevered in the paddock piston/cylinder replacement. Two quarts, > straight to the tarmac. > Amici... No oil changing stories, but I once came close to pouring antifreeze into cylinder head oil filler. Mike Belfer stopped me in time. In a non-auto related story similar...I am fourteen inches taller than my wife, and at least twice her weight. Hence, when we dance, I have no one to talk to. We should have sold the movie rights to our doing projects together, like hanging drywall on a ceiling. It would have paid for my racing career. But that didn't stop us from doing stuff together. The 'oil changing sagas' reminds me of when we would work together to fix a clogged kitchen sink. Me on the ground, head and shoulders into the cupboard below the sink, Shirley standing by to fetch and pass tools as necessary (I don't get up and down real good). I'd get the drain plug out. Drain the sink into a bucket. Pass the bucket to Shirley. I don't have to tell you that she poured it back in the sink. During the surprise shower, I'd find new energy for getting up quickly. Then I'd try to critique each of our efforts...but it's tough to do when she won't stop laughing. Bill (Damdinger) From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Fri May 28 08:50:14 2010 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:50:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. In-Reply-To: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: > I do dumb stuff sometimes....of course. Once, changing the oil on a Cessna 172, for some reason I safetied the oil filter to the oil temperature probe. Did you know that safety wire glows when connected across 12VDC? Anon From adams910 at gmail.com Fri May 28 09:12:51 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:12:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <81F324B6-FD94-4D38-8245-C3E34D43B046@bnj.com> References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <81F324B6-FD94-4D38-8245-C3E34D43B046@bnj.com> Message-ID: I'm a little late to the party, but Bill Babcock is right on the money. If you dont want certain information / photos on Facebook, then simply dont put it up. With as many people using it now, the odds of someone stealing my identity are pretty slim. Ive been using Facebook since it was only for people with .edu email addresses, and have never had problems or have known anyone with any problems this is going on 5 years now. Just make sure you set your profile so only friends can see it, never post your full birthdate, don't use your full legal name, and never post a profile picture that is a mugshot of yourself. Don't bother with any of the applications/games.. that's what advertising agencies use to mine your information. As far as my generation is concerned, without Facebook, youre pretty much left out of the loop. Guerrilla / word of mouth advertising has moved to Facebook and Twitter. Local take out, bars, the underground music scene, etc all use it to their advantage and ease of use. I don't think people even bother with flyers and print advertisement for those establishments anymore. As far as the list is concerned, what is there left to talk about? It doesn't seem like there are many people looking to develop their cars, and if you look at the results, lap times for most have stagnated over the last 5 years. For those just starting out and probably 85% of the other racers, they don't even need to join the list, as all the information is available for public viewing in the archives. Lastly Having your inbox clogged with messages talking about Facebook doesn't really help keep members either... My .02 From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri May 28 09:27:02 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:27:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Message-ID: <107de.5873475b.39313ac6@cs.com> Bob, While I likely wasnt plain enough, my question was about the differences between the use of public forum vs. private on Facebook. Not about the use of Facebook in general. That original question has not been discussed yet. But perhaps it is not improtant. Joe A > I'm a little late to the party, but Bill Babcock is right on the money. If > you dont want certain information / photos on Facebook, then simply dont > put it up. With as many people using it now, the odds of someone stealing > my > identity are pretty slim. Ive been using Facebook since it was only for > people with .edu email addresses, and have never had problems or have known > anyone with any problems this is going on 5 years now. Just make sure you > set your profile so only friends can see it, never post your full > birthdate, > don't use your full legal name, and never post a profile picture that is a > mugshot of yourself. Don't bother with any of the applications/games.. > that's what advertising agencies use to mine your information. > > > As far as my generation is concerned, without Facebook, youre pretty much > left out of the loop. Guerrilla / word of mouth advertising has moved to > Facebook and Twitter. Local take out, bars, the underground music scene, > etc > all use it to their advantage and ease of use. I don't think people even > bother with flyers and print advertisement for those establishments > anymore. > > > > As far as the list is concerned, what is there left to talk about? It > doesn't seem like there are many people looking to develop their cars, and > if you look at the results, lap times for most have stagnated over the last > 5 years. For those just starting out and probably 85% of the other racers, > they don't even need to join the list, as all the information is available > for public viewing in the archives. Lastly Having your inbox clogged with > messages talking about Facebook doesn't really help keep members either... > > > My .02 > From adams910 at gmail.com Fri May 28 09:37:41 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:37:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <107de.5873475b.39313ac6@cs.com> References: <107de.5873475b.39313ac6@cs.com> Message-ID: I should probably read more than a couple messages before jumping in all gung-ho. I know for sure you can set a Facebook group to private, and I'm pretty sure you can also set it so people have to be "accepted" by the group's admin, but still be viewable to the Facebook "public", which is how the FOT is set up now. Some might like the exclusivity of a "private" group, but others might find it a turn off. New racers might find it a bit "intimidating" Bob From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri May 28 09:53:06 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:53:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <107de.5873475b.39313ac6@cs.com> Message-ID: Maybe Facebook can be part of the solution to the problem Henry discussed, and siphon off some of the social content that ends up on this list, leaving us with more focused threads that help us help each other while racing our Triumphs. There are a lot of forums all over the Internet. most off them very good, and I for one don't have time to keep up with them all. As for the Triumph racing community I'd love to see permanent stuff located on the Fot-racing site, social stuff posted on Facebook and this list do what it does. FB is a great place to share photos and video's, and it would be cool if people added content after a race weekend. I'm still learning how to fine tune it, but I can choose what and who I want to see my stuff and what I want to look at. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 10:27 AM Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > Bob, > > While I likely wasnt plain enough, my question was about the differences > between the use of public forum vs. private on Facebook. > > Not about the use of Facebook in general. > > That original question has not been discussed yet. > > But perhaps it is not improtant. From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Fri May 28 09:55:24 2010 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 08:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <901535.10813.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I don't know how intimidating Facebook or other social media are to anyone; I for one have enough to do without following something like Facebook. My $0.02 worth. Ernie --- On Fri, 5/28/10, Bob Adams wrote: From: Bob Adams Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 10:37 AM I should probably read more than a couple messages before jumping in all gung-ho. I know for sure you can set a Facebook group to private, and I'm pretty sure you can also set it so people have to be "accepted" by the group's admin, but still be viewable to the Facebook "public", which is how the FOT is set up now. Some might like the exclusivity of a "private" group, but others might find it a turn off. New racers might find it a bit "intimidating" Bob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Fri May 28 10:08:29 2010 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (jaxonracing at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:08:29 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <901535.10813.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <901535.10813.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Fb is easy to navigate and can be utilized in many ways. I think it is a great idea for sharing video and photos however someone has to be the administrator and manage all the content or rely on members to link to the FOT FB page which is fine too. It is a great resource and would keep the content on list more focused hopefully. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Husmann Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 08:55:24 To: ; Bob Adams Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? I don't know how intimidating Facebook or other social media are to anyone; I for one have enough to do without following something like Facebook. My $0.02 worth. Ernie --- On Fri, 5/28/10, Bob Adams wrote: From: Bob Adams Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 10:37 AM I should probably read more than a couple messages before jumping in all gung-ho. I know for sure you can set a Facebook group to private, and I'm pretty sure you can also set it so people have to be "accepted" by the group's admin, but still be viewable to the Facebook "public", which is how the FOT is set up now. Some might like the exclusivity of a "private" group, but others might find it a turn off. New racers might find it a bit "intimidating" Bob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaxonracing at yahoo.com From tlizzard at msn.com Fri May 28 10:22:42 2010 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 12:22:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050567BB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> References: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050567BB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: What is this "facebook" of which you speak? To put a not too fine point on this, I will refer to the old motto of Brooklands... "The right crowd and no crowding". But then, I'm an old fashioned kind of guy. Terry Stetler. ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Frye To: n197tr4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? I yearn for the days when the FOT flew so far under the radar that the people who found out about us actually fit the criteria to belong. The FOT has morphed into something far from it's roots. That's what happens when there are no rules. Do I like it? No. Do I miss what we once had, a forum where real Triumph racers really discussed issues pertinent to the sport? Sure I do. I know I am not alone here, every race I attend this subject comes up in conversation. Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction back towards our roots? Obviously not. Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction the majority of current FOT want? I can't say. I don't know who the current FOT are. I just hope the newbies in the sport are getting the support I got when I was starting out. The relationships I have made here over the years have made a huge difference to my racing success. I just don't see that level of support these days. Hopefully the support is happening offline. The resources we have available here are vast, and from what I have read over the past couple years, virtually untapped. -----Original Message----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard at msn.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Emoticon3.gif] From tpettenati at yahoo.com Fri May 28 10:51:55 2010 From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question Message-ID: <314835.75410.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> All this talk of trailer ramps and then I spot the Harbor Freight Memorial Day sale flyer. Hey those ramps look just like mine and I know the the PO couldn't pass on cheap barely adequate crap. So I found the specs and they are rated at 1000 lbs per pair total. Sounds a bit under spec. for a car that I'm guessing is about 1400+ lbs. After a bit of measuring - The ramps are 6 ft. long and the Spit wheelbase is slightly longer. I only have a pair of wheels on the ramps at any time while loading and unloading. So far they worked fine for a dozen or more cycles. If you are looking for the cheap adequate solution and have a short wheelbase, go find the HFreight coupon for $39.99. Tim From dave at microworks.net Fri May 28 11:14:48 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:14:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: <314835.75410.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <314835.75410.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <93D560CF85554548854FEE21284E62C9@sys> Thanks! I was at harbor freight two days ago looking at them and the folding set too. Glad I did not buy them that day. Got the coupon and will pick them up today. http://www.harborfreight.com/memorial-day-sale From riverside at southslope.net Fri May 28 12:17:03 2010 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 13:17:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. References: <98344.56392.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1EA61DE5-1E13-4BD4-9798-160B68AEC025@bnj.com> Message-ID: <004201cafe91$f9d613b0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Got ya beat: once removed the front end of the starter on a '57 Plymouth 6 banger thinking it was the oil filter!!! The fact i was 17 at the time is NOT a defense of this stupidity. art de armond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "EDWARD BARNARD" Cc: ; Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. > As the poster boy for ADD, I considered it my duty to have done every > possible > combination of screwing up an oil change, from not draining the oil before > adding, to leaving the drain plug out, to leaving the oil filter off, to > forgetting to replace the oil filter, to forgetting to drain the oil > before > dropping the pan. My crowning glory was forgetting to put the oil pan back > on > after a fevered in the paddock piston/cylinder replacement. Two quarts, > straight to the tarmac. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Fri May 28 13:02:20 2010 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 15:02:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. References: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <010501cafe98$4d2eb070$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Kind of like the time when I was about 16 and was going to impress my dad with my mechanical ability. I drained the oil in his Chevy pickup, replaced the filter element, and started pouring in the fresh oil. You guessed it; I'd forgotten to replace the drain plug. The sound of fresh oil hitting the drain pan had me scurrying to replace the plug. He wasn't impressed! Although over the next 30 years or so I did make up for it by repairing many of his tractors, trucks, and other equipment. I guess I made up for the lost quart or so of oil. Happy Decoration Day, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. > I do dumb stuff sometimes....of course. > > A couple of weeks ago I started to prepare the TR3A for an oil change. > > Today, I carefully replaced the filter and filter body. > > Thinking I had already drained the pan, I poured 6 quarts of oil in the engine > and checked the dipstick. > > Nope, that cant be right. The oil is dirty looking and reads high on the > dipstick. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > ------ > I did something like this about 40 years ago with a Bugeye Sprite. > > Only this time I drained the oil and forgot to replace the drain plug. > > It took about four quart pour for that brand new oil to spread out to my > shoes. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > --------- > > I doubt if BRITISH PETROLEUM would be very excited about my problems. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin3 at verizon.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri May 28 13:04:58 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:04:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 with H6 starting problem Message-ID: <000001cafe98$aba56db0$02f04910$@com> I need some suggestions on a hard starting problem. The car is a TR4 with SU H6 carbs. I have the Kastner G3 cam and the RB needles in the carbs as recommended by Kas. The car used to start and idle pretty good. Then I had the very worn throttle shafts replaced in winter 2008-2009. Last summer at Blackhawk we experienced hard starting due to flooding when starting. It starts right up but idles at about 1000 -1500 RPM and the engine wont rev up until the extra fuel gets run out. This takes about 30 seconds with the fuel pump off. During this time the EGTs are at about 600 indicating very rich. Once it gets cleaned out it idles good at 1500  2000 with the EGTs at 900 to 1000. I discovered I had the stock SM needles in the carbs, pushed all the way up in the pistons to give richer running. I replaced the SM needles with the correct RB needles and the car started pretty good in Sept. at Elkhart Lake. This year in May at Gingerman we started to have the hard starting problem again. Discovered another sinking float and replaced with a good one. We still had the starting problems where it starts but wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. We also had a bit of a stumble coming out of some of the faster corners. I replaced the needles and seats thinking it was loading up on some of the corners. The old needles and seats were all brass and showed some wear; the new ones from Moss have the viton tips. I still have the starting problem where it wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. I tried checking the fuel level in the jet with the pistons and needles out and it seems to be about = down from the top of the jet. With the needle in displacing some of the fuel Im guessing the level would be about at the top of the jet. Im not really sure what the best way is to check the fuel level in the jets. The floats were set with the SU tool, the oval shaped tube, and I have the 7/16 inch clearance specified, probably within a 32nd of an inch. Any suggestions of what to check or take a look at and try would be appreciated. The problem seems to have started when I had the throttle shafts redone, closing off the extra air getting into the carbs. The jets are both set to about 10 flats down from full up and the EGTs run around 1200 at WOT in 4th down the straights. I did notice after putting in the new needles and seats and turning on the fuel pump with the pistons and needles out that I got a pretty good slug of fuel shot up out of the jets until the floats came up to seal off the flow. Thanks, Tim & Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 From rjl6n at cstone.net Fri May 28 13:40:46 2010 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 15:40:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <901535.10813.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <901535.10813.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <94d4996a078285339cfe90b305dfe61e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Amen! I haven't joined Facebook for exactly that reason. I have too much else to do than to follow the "gossip channel". Just the thoughts of an old fogey, John On Fri, May 28, 2010 11:55 am, Ernest Husmann wrote: > I don't know how intimidating Facebook or other social media are to > anyone; I > for one have enough to do without following something like Facebook. > > My $0.02 worth. > > Ernie > > --- On Fri, 5/28/10, Bob Adams wrote: > > > From: Bob Adams > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > To: N197TR4 at cs.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 10:37 AM > > > I should probably read more than a couple messages before jumping in all > gung-ho. > > I know for sure you can set a Facebook group to private, and I'm pretty > sure > you can also set it so people have to be "accepted" by the group's admin, > but still be viewable to the Facebook "public", which is how the FOT is > set > up now. > > Some might like the exclusivity of a "private" group, but others might > find > it a turn off. New racers might find it a bit "intimidating" > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From pcdelux at verizon.net Fri May 28 14:28:51 2010 From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:28:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. References: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <6B675031F0214429B17FEAAEAB70B6A1@Bud> <4BFF3A32.4080007@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <007e01cafea4$63a43d00$2101a8c0@userge6zixcg5r> Hey Joe, I worked at a Pontiac dealer years ago. One day a new hire changed the oil on a Firebird. Next day it came back looking like a mosquito spray truck. Turns out the new guy thought you filled the oil all the way up to the fill hole. That was at least a 20 quart oil change. Bill DeWar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. >>> Thinking I had already drained the pan, I poured 6 quarts of oil in the >>> engine >>> and checked the dipstick. >>> >>> Nope, that cant be right. The oil is dirty looking and reads high on the >>> dipstick. > > > Have you considered a career at JiffyLube? > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux at verizon.net From herald948 at aol.com Fri May 28 14:33:36 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:33:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <94d4996a078285339cfe90b305dfe61e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> References: <901535.10813.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <94d4996a078285339cfe90b305dfe61e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Message-ID: <8CCCCBC2E910CAD-20EC-ACB@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com> Recently and very reluctantly, I'd been given some thought to joining Facebook solely because of the many entities -- and a few friends -- that seem to be doing so. My 18-year-old son (who knows me very well) suggested I not bother! He does pass along greetings and messages from some of my friends who spot him on Facebook and ask about me. ;) --Andy Mace (I spend too much time now on e-mail and Forums!) *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: rjl6n at cstone.net Amen! I haven't joined Facebook for exactly that reason. I have too much else to do than to follow the "gossip channel". From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Fri May 28 15:21:48 2010 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Off Topic - my 2010 Indy 500 quiz Message-ID: <494808.54741.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> This year will be my 31st consecutive Indy 500. For about the past 20 years I have been doing a quiz. since it is Indy weekend I thought some of you might enjoy it. I will send out the answers tomorrow. Mike Mehl [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of 2010 Mike Mehl Indy Quiz.pdf] From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Fri May 28 15:40:32 2010 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 17:40:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C003850.6000909@twcny.rr.com> For years in the '60s my mom drove my TR3 from Huntington Beach to LA (hour plus each way) to work the night shift as key punch operator at B of A. One morning bleary eyed she filled a hot motor up with water (yes she put it in the valve cover - to the top) and drove the rest of the way home! The car was unhappy, my dad was unhappy and it rolled into the garage to wait till I could drive. Finally, Dad swore it was going to the junk yard. Enter me - I threw a fit and told them I wanted it. It was mom's (technically) so she won and at 11 years old I became the proud owner of a 1957 TR3 I have known since I was 4. Cheers, M From budscars at comcast.net Fri May 28 15:46:32 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:46:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. References: <4C003850.6000909@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <59711F7D16374887ABCCF734341FC164@Bud> Mark..Have You changed the water? RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. > For years in the '60s my mom drove my TR3 from Huntington Beach to LA > (hour plus each way) to work the night shift as key punch operator at B of > A. One morning bleary eyed she filled a hot motor up with water (yes she > put it in the valve cover - to the top) and drove the rest of the way > home! The car was unhappy, my dad was unhappy and it rolled into the > garage to wait till I could drive. Finally, Dad swore it was going to the > junk yard. Enter me - I threw a fit and told them I wanted it. It was > mom's (technically) so she won and at 11 years old I became the proud > owner of a 1957 TR3 I have known since I was 4. > > Cheers, > > M > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From klynch_6 at msn.com Fri May 28 16:10:32 2010 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:10:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Clive Averill Message-ID: Amici: I just got a message that my longtime GT6 mentor (33 Silver) & friend Clive Averill, suffered a heart attack while on track with his daughter 'Ashley' during a Lapping Day @ High Plains Raceway. Ashley got Clive out of the car & proceeded with CPR until the track manager & EMTs' could get there. I spoke with her from the hospital & he's responding favorably. I know there's a few a few of you out there who have raced Clive @ Hallett etc. over the years. Pls. keep the good thoughts for him this weekend. Kev Lynch RMVR #6 A hero is no braver than an ordinary man, but he is braver five minutes longer. Ralph Waldo Emerson From jibjib at att.net Fri May 28 17:14:13 2010 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:14:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. In-Reply-To: <010501cafe98$4d2eb070$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <010501cafe98$4d2eb070$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <9342F66A4BF84CD8A1B26FAA1AF5502A@hpa1477c> I put the wrong filter on a car once. After starting it I heard a splashing sound when I walked around to look under, as I always do and found oil pouring out of my running engine. Unfortunately, this episode pales on comparison to a recent one. I change the oil on several cars at once, starting with an empty 5 gallon pail for the dirty oil. Yeah, you can see where this is going. As I finished car 3 or 4, the pail was getting pretty full and it was starting to rain. The car was on ramps, half into the court, so I gathered up my tools and everything except the dirty oil pail. Yeah, if you missed it before, you know now. I hopped in the car and got it off the ramps. As I turned the car, I caught the 5 gallon pail with the bumper, dumping it in the street. I sent my wife to the store for 100 pounds of kitty litter and called the fire department, as it is a toxic spill and we're quite green here in WA. The firemen were pretty happy with my containment, but I sure felt foolish. The neighbors, who have a distain for my excessive number of cars anyway and public wrenching, all legal with the HOA, were not pleased. I sure hope I never spill 4 gallons of dirty oil in the street again. Not fun. Jack From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. > I do dumb stuff sometimes....of course. > > A couple of weeks ago I started to prepare the TR3A for an oil change. > > Today, I carefully replaced the filter and filter body. > > Thinking I had already drained the pan, I poured 6 quarts of oil in the engine > and checked the dipstick. > > Nope, that cant be right. The oil is dirty looking and reads high on the > dipstick. From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri May 28 19:34:38 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 01:34:38 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR4 with H6 starting problem Message-ID: <20100528.213438.1992.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> When I first started my car up, after refreshing the engine, I had a similar problem where it was barely running at WOT and would stall at anything less then WOT. Thought at first that perhaps I had timing wrong? Turned off fuel pumps and it would clear and run fine for a while and then do the same thing after I turned the fuel back on. Changed the spark plugs and leaned the carbs out a little and all was good. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Tim Murphy" To: Cc: rpm724 at att.net, ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov Subject: [Fot] TR4 with H6 starting problem Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:04:58 -0500 I need some suggestions on a hard starting problem. The car is a TR4 with SU H6 carbs. I have the Kastner G3 cam and the RB needles in the carbs as recommended by Kas. The car used to start and idle pretty good. Then I had the very worn throttle shafts replaced in winter 2008-2009. Last summer at Blackhawk we experienced hard starting due to flooding when starting. It starts right up but idles at about 1000 -1500 RPM and the engine wont rev up until the extra fuel gets run out. This takes about 30 seconds with the fuel pump off. During this time the EGTs are at about 600 indicating very rich. Once it gets cleaned out it idles good at 1500  2000 with the EGTs at 900 to 1000. I discovered I had the stock SM needles in the carbs, pushed all the way up in the pistons to give richer running. I replaced the SM needles with the correct RB needles and the car started pretty good in Sept. at Elkhart Lake. This year in May at Gingerman we started to have the hard starting problem again. Discovered another sinking float and replaced with a good one. We still had the starting problems where it starts but wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. We also had a bit of a stumble coming out of some of the faster corners. I replaced the needles and seats thinking it was loading up on some of the corners. The old needles and seats were all brass and showed some wear; the new ones from Moss have the viton tips. I still have the starting problem where it wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. I tried checking the fuel level in the jet with the pistons and needles out and it seems to be about = down from the top of the jet. With the needle in displacing some of the fuel Im guessing the level would be about at the top of the jet. Im not really sure what the best way is to check the fuel level in the jets. The floats were set with the SU tool, the oval shaped tube, and I have the 7/16 inch clearance specified, probably within a 32nd of an inch. Any suggestions of what to check or take a look at and try would be appreciated. The problem seems to have started when I had the throttle shafts redone, closing off the extra air getting into the carbs. The jets are both set to about 10 flats down from full up and the EGTs run around 1200 at WOT in 4th down the straights. I did notice after putting in the new needles and seats and turning on the fuel pump with the pistons and needles out that I got a pretty good slug of fuel shot up out of the jets until the floats came up to seal off the flow. Thanks, Tim & Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c006f6f93bde158dc3st04duc From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri May 28 20:22:15 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 19:22:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 with H6 starting problem In-Reply-To: <000001cafe98$aba56db0$02f04910$@com> References: <000001cafe98$aba56db0$02f04910$@com> Message-ID: <70A8D80A-F1A0-4154-A3F3-D56144C54974@earthlink.net> Tim, I run H6 carbs on my TR3 with RB or RF needles (I don't remember!) I've rebuilt them a couple of times and haven't had any starting problems, except the usual - stick your open hand over one of the carbs to simulate a choke- trick. I set the jet a little differently, I turn the adjuster bolt until the jet is level, then turn it down 12 flats, safety wire it, and go two more flats. 14 flats from level. No troubles whatsoever. I assume all the choke gear has been removed from your carbs? ~Steve On May 28, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: I need some suggestions on a hard starting problem. The car is a TR4 with SU H6 carbs. I have the Kastner G3 cam and the RB needles in the carbs as recommended by Kas. The car used to start and idle pretty good. Then I had the very worn throttle shafts replaced in winter 2008-2009. Last summer at Blackhawk we experienced hard starting due to flooding when starting. It starts right up but idles at about 1000 -1500 RPM and the engine wont rev up until the extra fuel gets run out. This takes about 30 seconds with the fuel pump off. During this time the EGTs are at about 600 indicating very rich. Once it gets cleaned out it idles good at 1500  2000 with the EGTs at 900 to 1000. I discovered I had the stock SM needles in the carbs, pushed all the way up in the pistons to give richer running. I replaced the SM needles with the correct RB needles and the car started pretty good in Sept. at Elkhart Lake. This year in May at Gingerman we started to have the hard starting problem again. Discovered another sinking float and replaced with a good one. We still had the starting problems where it starts but wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. We also had a bit of a stumble coming out of some of the faster corners. I replaced the needles and seats thinking it was loading up on some of the corners. The old needles and seats were all brass and showed some wear; the new ones from Moss have the viton tips. I still have the starting problem where it wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. I tried checking the fuel level in the jet with the pistons and needles out and it seems to be about = down from the top of the jet. With the needle in displacing some of the fuel Im guessing the level would be about at the top of the jet. Im not really sure what the best way is to check the fuel level in the jets. The floats were set with the SU tool, the oval shaped tube, and I have the 7/16 inch clearance specified, probably within a 32nd of an inch. Any suggestions of what to check or take a look at and try would be appreciated. The problem seems to have started when I had the throttle shafts redone, closing off the extra air getting into the carbs. The jets are both set to about 10 flats down from full up and the EGTs run around 1200 at WOT in 4th down the straights. I did notice after putting in the new needles and seats and turning on the fuel pump with the pistons and needles out that I got a pretty good slug of fuel shot up out of the jets until the floats came up to seal off the flow. Thanks, Tim & Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri May 28 22:16:47 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 23:16:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 with H6 starting problem In-Reply-To: <70A8D80A-F1A0-4154-A3F3-D56144C54974@earthlink.net> References: <000001cafe98$aba56db0$02f04910$@com> <70A8D80A-F1A0-4154-A3F3-D56144C54974@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000d01cafee5$c2023190$460694b0$@com> Thanks for all of the suggestions. I'm going to try some of them tomorrow and see what happens. The good thing is that I can duplicate the problem without having to run the car hard and getting everything up to temperature. Just do a start, get it running good, let it sit for awhile and try another start. Wish all my problems were that consistent and easy to duplicate! Tim -----Original Message----- From: Steven Belfer [mailto:colordog.1 at earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 9:22 PM To: Tim Murphy Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 with H6 starting problem Tim, I run H6 carbs on my TR3 with RB or RF needles (I don't remember!) I've rebuilt them a couple of times and haven't had any starting problems, except the usual - stick your open hand over one of the carbs to simulate a choke- trick. I set the jet a little differently, I turn the adjuster bolt until the jet is level, then turn it down 12 flats, safety wire it, and go two more flats. 14 flats from level. No troubles whatsoever. I assume all the choke gear has been removed from your carbs? ~Steve On May 28, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: I need some suggestions on a hard starting problem. The car is a TR4 with SU H6 carbs. I have the Kastner G3 cam and the RB needles in the carbs as recommended by Kas. The car used to start and idle pretty good. Then I had the very worn throttle shafts replaced in winter 2008-2009. Last summer at Blackhawk we experienced hard starting due to flooding when starting. It starts right up but idles at about 1000 -1500 RPM and the engine wont rev up until the extra fuel gets run out. This takes about 30 seconds with the fuel pump off. During this time the EGTs are at about 600 indicating very rich. Once it gets cleaned out it idles good at 1500  2000 with the EGTs at 900 to 1000. I discovered I had the stock SM needles in the carbs, pushed all the way up in the pistons to give richer running. I replaced the SM needles with the correct RB needles and the car started pretty good in Sept. at Elkhart Lake. This year in May at Gingerman we started to have the hard starting problem again. Discovered another sinking float and replaced with a good one. We still had the starting problems where it starts but wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. We also had a bit of a stumble coming out of some of the faster corners. I replaced the needles and seats thinking it was loading up on some of the corners. The old needles and seats were all brass and showed some wear; the new ones from Moss have the viton tips. I still have the starting problem where it wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. I tried checking the fuel level in the jet with the pistons and needles out and it seems to be about = down from the top of the jet. With the needle in displacing some of the fuel Im guessing the level would be about at the top of the jet. Im not really sure what the best way is to check the fuel level in the jets. The floats were set with the SU tool, the oval shaped tube, and I have the 7/16 inch clearance specified, probably within a 32nd of an inch. Any suggestions of what to check or take a look at and try would be appreciated. The problem seems to have started when I had the throttle shafts redone, closing off the extra air getting into the carbs. The jets are both set to about 10 flats down from full up and the EGTs run around 1200 at WOT in 4th down the straights. I did notice after putting in the new needles and seats and turning on the fuel pump with the pistons and needles out that I got a pretty good slug of fuel shot up out of the jets until the floats came up to seal off the flow. Thanks, Tim & Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net Sat May 29 05:29:06 2010 From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (Chip Collingwood) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 07:29:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Message-ID: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> Henry, Well said . I would strongly agree with your perspective! This group is far from what it used to be and I miss the core group of real racers and discourse about real Triumph racing topics as well. The continued dilution of this venue by taking it to an even more public arena will virtually wipe out any semblance of its original sound, productive, and rewarding experience. Chip Collingwood EP TR6 Vintage Datsun 510 > [Original Message] > From: Henry Frye > To: ; > Date: 5/28/2010 8:39:46 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > I yearn for the days when the FOT flew so far under the radar that the > people who found out about us actually fit the criteria to belong. The > FOT has morphed into something far from it's roots. That's what happens > when there are no rules. > > Do I like it? No. > > Do I miss what we once had, a forum where real Triumph racers really > discussed issues pertinent to the sport? Sure I do. I know I am not > alone here, every race I attend this subject comes up in conversation. > > Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction back > towards our roots? Obviously not. > > Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction the > majority of current FOT want? I can't say. I don't know who the current > FOT are. > > I just hope the newbies in the sport are getting the support I got when > I was starting out. The relationships I have made here over the years > have made a huge difference to my racing success. I just don't see that > level of support these days. Hopefully the support is happening offline. > The resources we have available here are vast, and from what I have read > over the past couple years, virtually untapped. > > -----Original Message----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6racer21 at earthlink.net From mdporter at dfn.com Sat May 29 07:30:35 2010 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 07:30:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> References: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4C0116FB.9000404@dfn.com> Chip Collingwood wrote: > Henry, > > Well said . I would strongly agree with your perspective! This group is far > from what it used to be and I miss the core group of real racers and > discourse about real Triumph racing topics as well. The continued dilution > of this venue by taking it to an even more public arena will virtually wipe > out any semblance of its original sound, productive, and rewarding > experience. > > Ah, well, Facebook matters aside, I guess I should just fade into the background because I'm not a part of that "core group" of "real racers" like Mr. Collingwood. After all, even talk about "real Triumph racing topics" is just too expensive for a serf like me.... Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat May 29 07:47:07 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 08:47:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> <4C0116FB.9000404@dfn.com> Message-ID: <73EF01FF3B434D5BBF74D2AB9D596562@latitudefb1e41> I hope you had your tongue in your cheek when you wrote that. I can't recall you plugging up the list with off topic threads. I still think Facebook has a place. I'm going to put up some photes I have taken over the years that I couldn't share on the list. Let's get the social stuff handled on Facebook and those that want to talk car stuff, like you, can keep the list on topic. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Porter" To: Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > Chip Collingwood wrote: >> Henry, >> Well said . I would strongly agree with your perspective! This group is >> far >> from what it used to be and I miss the core group of real racers and >> discourse about real Triumph racing topics as well. The continued >> dilution >> of this venue by taking it to an even more public arena will virtually >> wipe >> out any semblance of its original sound, productive, and rewarding >> experience. >> >> > > Ah, well, Facebook matters aside, I guess I should just fade into the > background because I'm not a part of that "core group" of "real racers" > like Mr. Collingwood. > > > After all, even talk about "real Triumph racing topics" is just too > expensive for a serf like me.... > > > Cheers. > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking > distance.... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat May 29 08:07:12 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 09:07:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> <4C0116FB.9000404@dfn.com> <73EF01FF3B434D5BBF74D2AB9D596562@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <79258D37852E47829FFBA1D0793EFECF@latitudefb1e41> ....and I should have said that I do recall you adding valuable trchnical input that has helped me multiple times. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" To: "Michael Porter" ; Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? >I hope you had your tongue in your cheek when you wrote that. I can't >recall you plugging up the list with off topic threads. I still think >Facebook has a place. I'm going to put up some photes I have taken over the >years that I couldn't share on the list. Let's get the social stuff handled >on Facebook and those that want to talk car stuff, like you, can keep the >list on topic. > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Porter" > To: > Cc: ; > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > >> Chip Collingwood wrote: >>> Henry, >>> Well said . I would strongly agree with your perspective! This group is >>> far >>> from what it used to be and I miss the core group of real racers and >>> discourse about real Triumph racing topics as well. The continued >>> dilution >>> of this venue by taking it to an even more public arena will virtually >>> wipe >>> out any semblance of its original sound, productive, and rewarding >>> experience. >>> >>> >> >> Ah, well, Facebook matters aside, I guess I should just fade into the >> background because I'm not a part of that "core group" of "real racers" >> like Mr. Collingwood. >> >> >> After all, even talk about "real Triumph racing topics" is just too >> expensive for a serf like me.... >> >> >> Cheers. >> >> -- >> >> >> Michael Porter >> Roswell, NM >> >> >> Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >> distance.... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat May 29 08:24:34 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 08:24:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? What ? In-Reply-To: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> References: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9D0364A992834044859C900583A8BEE3@hal9000> What ? ! Hey CHIP Sorry to dilute your gene pool and I guess I have never been in the CORE group. As far as being a real racer....BS I'll see you at Heartland Park Jim Gray # 102 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team .net] On Behalf Of Chip Collingwood Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 5:29 AM To: Henry Frye; n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Henry, Well said . I would strongly agree with your perspective! This group is far from what it used to be and I miss the core group of real racers and discourse about real Triumph racing topics as well. The continued dilution of this venue by taking it to an even more public arena will virtually wipe out any semblance of its original sound, productive, and rewarding experience. Chip Collingwood EP TR6 Vintage Datsun 510 > [Original Message] > From: Henry Frye > To: ; > Date: 5/28/2010 8:39:46 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > I yearn for the days when the FOT flew so far under the radar that the > people who found out about us actually fit the criteria to belong. The > FOT has morphed into something far from it's roots. That's what happens > when there are no rules. > > Do I like it? No. > > Do I miss what we once had, a forum where real Triumph racers really > discussed issues pertinent to the sport? Sure I do. I know I am not > alone here, every race I attend this subject comes up in conversation. > > Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction back > towards our roots? Obviously not. > > Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction the > majority of current FOT want? I can't say. I don't know who the current > FOT are. > > I just hope the newbies in the sport are getting the support I got when > I was starting out. The relationships I have made here over the years > have made a huge difference to my racing success. I just don't see that > level of support these days. Hopefully the support is happening offline. > The resources we have available here are vast, and from what I have read > over the past couple years, virtually untapped. > > -----Original Message----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > ______________________________ _________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htm l > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ options/fot/tr6racer21 at earthli nk.net ______________________________ _________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htm l Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ options/fot/toodamnfunky at comca st.net From billb at bnj.com Sat May 29 08:44:46 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 07:44:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK In-Reply-To: <9D0364A992834044859C900583A8BEE3@hal9000> References: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> <9D0364A992834044859C900583A8BEE3@hal9000> Message-ID: <76159C87-8549-4B51-9D8B-35B0D57455B1@bnj.com> I think the decline in technical information stems from two things, first of all, we've all been talking about this stuff for years. So much so that if we had numbered the responses the answers to most questions would be something like "23, obviously". Second, Kas came out with his books. The first thing anyone should do who wants to race a triumph is get and read all of them, then do it again. As far as lap times stabilizing. Hmmm, not so much. Sure, now we're picking up tenths instead of seconds, but I'm not moving backwards yet, and since my reaction times are not improving and I haven't gotten any lighter I'm gonna have to say the reason is the car. From tpettenati at yahoo.com Sat May 29 09:44:26 2010 From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 08:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? Message-ID: <686491.16937.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yesterday I spotted two complete TR7's at the local wrecking yard. The yard is having their big half-price sale weekend. Anything I should be interested in for spares or improvements? Tim P. From mark at bradakis.com Sat May 29 10:02:22 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 10:02:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? In-Reply-To: <686491.16937.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <686491.16937.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C013A8E.6010602@bradakis.com> The wheels have the same bolt pattern, and I believe the spark plugs are interchangeable. mjb. From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sat May 29 10:30:11 2010 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 16:30:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? In-Reply-To: <4C013A8E.6010602@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <242774739.2623871275150611221.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> you can make a gearbox work or the gear clusters... aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 12:02:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? The wheels have the same bolt pattern, and I believe the spark plugs are interchangeable. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fpspitfire at comcast.net From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat May 29 10:38:54 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 09:38:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK In-Reply-To: <76159C87-8549-4B51-9D8B-35B0D57455B1@bnj.com> References: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> <9D0364A992834044859C900583A8BEE3@hal9000> <76159C87-8549-4B51-9D8B-35B0D57455B1@bnj.com> Message-ID: To Bill's points, I've searched the FOT archives for just about every aspect of the car from A to Z. You could search "Distributor," for example, and read every FOT post about that subject. The Archives are a super-valuable resource but it's more fun to hear from you guys today. ~Steve On May 29, 2010, at 7:44 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: I think the decline in technical information stems from two things, first of all, we've all been talking about this stuff for years. So much so that if we had numbered the responses the answers to most questions would be something like "23, obviously". Second, Kas came out with his books. The first thing anyone should do who wants to race a triumph is get and read all of them, then do it again. As far as lap times stabilizing. Hmmm, not so much. Sure, now we're picking up tenths instead of seconds, but I'm not moving backwards yet, and since my reaction times are not improving and I haven't gotten any lighter I'm gonna have to say the reason is the car. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From klynch_6 at msn.com Sat May 29 12:12:38 2010 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 12:12:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FB Message-ID: Ah, well, Facebook matters aside, I guess I should just fade into the background because I'm not a part of that "core group" of "real racers" like Mr. Collingwood. After all, even talk about "real Triumph racing topics" is just too expensive for a serf like me.... Well put Mr. Porter, Maybe this guy ascends then descends into his race suit unlike the rest of us who put em' on one leg atta' time ! Some people's kids... Kev Lynch 'Subprime' Vintage Racing From billbab at me.com Sat May 29 12:50:07 2010 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 11:50:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] That's odd References: <76159C87-8549-4B51-9D8B-35B0D57455B1@bnj.com> Message-ID: <8376D983-E941-4D5B-9543-D562F3D89C12@me.com> I sent one last paragraph on my last email, but it didn't show up. But hey guys, people say stuff in email all the time that doesn't come out at they intended. Cease the dogpile, eh? I do a much better job of pissing people off than that. Begin forwarded message: > From: Bill Babcock > Date: May 29, 2010 7:44:46 AM PDT > To: Triumph Friends of > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK > > I think the decline in technical information stems from two things, first of all, we've all been talking about this stuff for years. So much so that if we had numbered the responses the answers to most questions would be something like "23, obviously". > > Second, Kas came out with his books. The first thing anyone should do who wants to race a triumph is get and read all of them, then do it again. > > As far as lap times stabilizing. Hmmm, not so much. Sure, now we're picking up tenths instead of seconds, but I'm not moving backwards yet, and since my reaction times are not improving and I haven't gotten any lighter I'm gonna have to say the reason is the car. > > I suspect Chip wishes he could make some edits to his email, so believe me I'm not joining in on the mugging, but having just watched qualifying for the Turkish Grand Prix I know I'm not a real racer. We're all just having fun tossing wildly inappropriate cars around racetracks. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat May 29 13:01:17 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 14:01:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FB References: Message-ID: I think we all get frustrated with excessive emails sometimes and the FoT list does go a little crazy at times. I also get waaay too many useless emails from work, but I sift through them and the FoT list better than I do through MG's on a racetrack. I think Chip also said that he'd like the topics to be about Triumph racing, something that we all agree to but occasionally forget. That's why I'm in favor of the Facebook thing. Get alot of the social FoT stuff handled on that site, complete with video and pictures. I'm going to put more pictures from my files that I think other FoT might find interesting. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 1:12 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT on FB > Ah, well, Facebook matters aside, I guess I should just fade into the > background because I'm not a part of that "core group" of "real racers" > like Mr. Collingwood. > > After all, even talk about "real Triumph racing topics" is just too > expensive for a serf like me.... > > > Well put Mr. Porter, Maybe this guy ascends then descends into his race > suit > unlike the rest of us who put em' on one leg atta' time ! Some people's > kids... > > Kev Lynch > 'Subprime' Vintage Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat May 29 15:53:21 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 16:53:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll In-Reply-To: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryv ille.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20100529215232.9C72218763E@autox.team.net> Late addition - been out of town (looks like there's been some controversy on the list!) Carbotech, AX-6 compound is my favorite. No warmup required, great bite, great modulation, easy on the rotors. I also have had my rotors cryo treated, and somehow that seems to improve the life and deter warping. http://www.ctbrakes.com/ - Tony Drews At 03:05 PM 5/24/2010, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >Greetings FoT > > > >I'm just taking a poll of what brake pads & shoes are being used. I have been > >using the Porterfield vintage compound on the front because of exceptional > >initial bite. Unfortunately the last two times I raced the car on freshly >turned > >rotors with new pads I end up cooking the pads & rotorsB in a single weekend. > >I'm not ready to throw Porterfield under the proverbial busB but so far I'm >not seeing > >anything in the front end or calipers that would cause the problem. > >Both times the rotors scored up pretty bad all the way across. > >The pads have a gap at the outboard edge of the pads ( top )B and snug at the >inboard side. > >The smell of cooked brakes is present and blue rings toward the inboard edges > >of the rotors. Chunks of pad missing, pads glazed. The rears have performed >great, > >no problems. I had to use the brakes so hard over the 15th & 16th I still have >a prononced limp, > >no joke. I do have Uncle Jack's spindles and have a real good pedal, no fade >or kickback. > > > >Thanks for the input, > >Jim G. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat May 29 16:57:24 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 16:57:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: That's odd References: <8A0B438B-7248-42F1-9679-3B27AF2A6EF0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <70591008-78F1-497E-8E50-90407FEB417E@earthlink.net> +1 Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM > >> >> I do a much better job of pissing people off than that. >> >> >>> From: Bill Babcock From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Sat May 29 18:41:10 2010 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 10:41:10 +1000 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050567BB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> References: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050567BB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <135B591C3D8D4CEB87E6E85D9624712A@GEOFFPC> It would be great if all non Triumph racing stuff could be filtered out so our emails dont get bombed This is a great forum which streeches world wide and keeps true FOTs informed about what happening it put me in contact with fellow racers in USA who otherwise I would have known nothing about Geoff Byrne TR6 Down Under ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: ; Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? >I yearn for the days when the FOT flew so far under the radar that the > people who found out about us actually fit the criteria to belong. The > FOT has morphed into something far from it's roots. That's what happens > when there are no rules. > > Do I like it? No. > > Do I miss what we once had, a forum where real Triumph racers really > discussed issues pertinent to the sport? Sure I do. I know I am not > alone here, every race I attend this subject comes up in conversation. > > Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction back > towards our roots? Obviously not. > > Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction the > majority of current FOT want? I can't say. I don't know who the current > FOT are. > > I just hope the newbies in the sport are getting the support I got when > I was starting out. The relationships I have made here over the years > have made a huge difference to my racing success. I just don't see that > level of support these days. Hopefully the support is happening offline. > The resources we have available here are vast, and from what I have read > over the past couple years, virtually untapped. > > -----Original Message----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sat May 29 19:09:41 2010 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 18:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? In-Reply-To: <686491.16937.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <264649.27596.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tim: Lots of things fit from the 4 speed TR7 to the Spitwad. The rear brakes are a direct bolt on and are bigger l;ike the GT6. You also get auto adjust feature. The diff center will bolt on and give you a nice 3.63 ratio. The 4 speed can be used. And yes...the wheels and studs. The studs are very expensive if bought new. -Ed- --- On Sat, 5/29/10, Tim Pettenati wrote: From: Tim Pettenati Subject: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? To: "FoT Triumph" Date: Saturday, May 29, 2010, 10:44 AM Yesterday I spotted two complete TR7's at the local wrecking yard. The yard is having their big half-price sale weekend. Anything I should be interested in for spares or improvements? Tim P. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From budscars at comcast.net Sat May 29 19:22:37 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 18:22:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050567BB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> <135B591C3D8D4CEB87E6E85D9624712A@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: Thanks Geoff, et al...Our stuff should be available to EVERYONE...Remember Friends...This is about the'Preservation of the Marque'...and ..the Preservation of History..and ..The Preservation of us Old Racers.. Wooohoo! I Love you All... Racer Bud... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Byrne" To: "Henry Frye" ; ; Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > It would be great if all non Triumph racing stuff could be filtered out so > our emails dont get bombed > This is a great forum which streeches world wide and keeps true FOTs > informed about what happening > it put me in contact with fellow racers in USA who otherwise I would have > known nothing about > Geoff Byrne > TR6 Down Under > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Henry Frye" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 10:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > >>I yearn for the days when the FOT flew so far under the radar that the >> people who found out about us actually fit the criteria to belong. The >> FOT has morphed into something far from it's roots. That's what happens >> when there are no rules. >> >> Do I like it? No. >> >> Do I miss what we once had, a forum where real Triumph racers really >> discussed issues pertinent to the sport? Sure I do. I know I am not >> alone here, every race I attend this subject comes up in conversation. >> >> Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction back >> towards our roots? Obviously not. >> >> Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction the >> majority of current FOT want? I can't say. I don't know who the current >> FOT are. >> >> I just hope the newbies in the sport are getting the support I got when >> I was starting out. The relationships I have made here over the years >> have made a huge difference to my racing success. I just don't see that >> level of support these days. Hopefully the support is happening offline. >> The resources we have available here are vast, and from what I have read >> over the past couple years, virtually untapped. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? >> >> What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From harmug at us.ibm.com Sat May 29 19:41:17 2010 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 21:41:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Carb and Ignition questions Message-ID: Quiz time again. I have two problems with my son's street Spitfire, 72 MKIV. The first problem, really more of a validation I hope is related to the carbs. I removed the stock single Stromberg and replaced it with a pair of HS2 SUs.I was tweaking and balancing them, they were running rich. When I rev'd the motor up, I noticed a squirt of gas from a small hole, on the firewall side carb, just under the fuel inlet. I pulled the float and checked it's function, when the float was almost level, the valve would close and keep me from blowing through it. The front carb worked in a similar fashion. I never noticed the hole before, looks like it meant to be there, but is it , as I suspect, a vent hole for the fuel bowl, and not an over pressure relief port? I'm guessing that I just need new needle valves and/ or a float and I should be good to go. But before I order the parts and waste a week, is the stock fuel pump, designed for the Stromberg, too powerful for the SU floats? Should I be changing the stock pump for one from a duel carb model too? Question number two. The ballast resistor broke, don't know how but we had a problem starting and I found the ceramic rod and wire broken. I picked up a generic one at the local parts chain but I still have the problem, the car will only run on the start up circuit. As soon as I stop turning the starter over, the ignition dies (verified by timing light). I put a meter on the input to the resistor and with the key on, I have ~ 12.8V and 12.5V on the coil side. The resistor measures ~ 200 ohms. All the wires back to the ignition switch look good and ohm out clean, but the car won't run. Do I have a problem with the replacement resistor? I've used this type before on the race spit motor but I didn't want to start swapping parts from that, I have a dbl race next weekend. Could I have a bad connection somewhere, only good enough to show 12V potential but not pass enough current to fire the coil? Related to the debug of this problem, I changed points, set the gap and timed the motor. I also swapped coils with a spare. If I hot wire the starter circuit, jumper wire from the battery to the coil, the car will run forever. (this just got me thinking, I'll hot wire the feed into the resistor tomorrow and see what happens) I can't find a value for the ballast resistor, does anyone know what values (Ohms and voltage drop) I should be seeing? thanks in advance mike h. G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer From igofaster at att.net Sun May 30 07:15:52 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 06:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? In-Reply-To: <686491.16937.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <686491.16937.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <657179.64825.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I use a set of TR7 wheels powder coated for a set of rain tires on my GT6 racer... a desirable offset ... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Tim Pettenati To: FoT Triumph Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 10:44:26 AM Subject: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? Yesterday I spotted two complete TR7's at the local wrecking yard. The yard is having their big half-price sale weekend. Anything I should be interested in for spares or improvements? Tim P. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun May 30 08:09:23 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 16:09:23 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Carb and Ignition questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000b01cb0001$b7095300$251bf900$@com> For the resistor....you'll need a 1,5-2 Ohm power resistor.....for about 25-50Watt. 200 Ohm is way too much. The coils voltage should drop about 9 - 9.5V with resistor. Less than that would make the engine stall. I use a 1.5 Ohm resistor of this type: http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/421251/WIDERSTAND-DRAHT-25-W-5-1R5 And I have a spare with 100Watt. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von George Harmuth Gesendet: Sonntag, 30. Mai 2010 03:41 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Carb and Ignition questions Quiz time again. I have two problems with my son's street Spitfire, 72 MKIV. The first problem, really more of a validation I hope is related to the carbs. I removed the stock single Stromberg and replaced it with a pair of HS2 SUs.I was tweaking and balancing them, they were running rich. When I rev'd the motor up, I noticed a squirt of gas from a small hole, on the firewall side carb, just under the fuel inlet. I pulled the float and checked it's function, when the float was almost level, the valve would close and keep me from blowing through it. The front carb worked in a similar fashion. I never noticed the hole before, looks like it meant to be there, but is it , as I suspect, a vent hole for the fuel bowl, and not an over pressure relief port? I'm guessing that I just need new needle valves and/ or a float and I should be good to go. But before I order the parts and waste a week, is the stock fuel pump, designed for the Stromberg, too powerful for the SU floats? Should I be changing the stock pump for one from a duel carb model too? Question number two. The ballast resistor broke, don't know how but we had a problem starting and I found the ceramic rod and wire broken. I picked up a generic one at the local parts chain but I still have the problem, the car will only run on the start up circuit. As soon as I stop turning the starter over, the ignition dies (verified by timing light). I put a meter on the input to the resistor and with the key on, I have ~ 12.8V and 12.5V on the coil side. The resistor measures ~ 200 ohms. All the wires back to the ignition switch look good and ohm out clean, but the car won't run. Do I have a problem with the replacement resistor? I've used this type before on the race spit motor but I didn't want to start swapping parts from that, I have a dbl race next weekend. Could I have a bad connection somewhere, only good enough to show 12V potential but not pass enough current to fire the coil? Related to the debug of this problem, I changed points, set the gap and timed the motor. I also swapped coils with a spare. If I hot wire the starter circuit, jumper wire from the battery to the coil, the car will run forever. (this just got me thinking, I'll hot wire the feed into the resistor tomorrow and see what happens) I can't find a value for the ballast resistor, does anyone know what values (Ohms and voltage drop) I should be seeing? thanks in advance mike h. G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun May 30 09:16:12 2010 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 08:16:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? Message-ID: <4C02813C.60805@gmail.com> Below are two pictures sent to me by someone who just picked up what he thought was a TR2 low port cylinder head. What is really strange is that there is a raised flat surface between the second and third studs on the ports side. It looks as though it was intended to have something mounted on top of the head alongside the valve cover. Has anyone seen one of these heads before? Any idea what vehicle it was originally intended for? Could this be a Ferguson tractor head? Any help identifying this head would be appreciated. The new owner hopes to bolt it to an early TR2. Teriann From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun May 30 18:44:56 2010 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 17:44:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? In-Reply-To: <9BC50BCC86E446968473B8438E2E6873@hpa1477c> References: <4C02813C.60805@gmail.com> <9BC50BCC86E446968473B8438E2E6873@hpa1477c> Message-ID: <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> On 5/30/10 3:51 PM, Jack Brooks wrote: > TeriAnn, > > No pictures go through the list. > > Opps. Some of the email lists I belong to handle jpegs & some don't. I enclosed them without thinking. www.tjwakeman.net/TR/TR.images/TR2_head2.JPG www.tjwakeman.net/TR/TR.images/tr2_head1.JPG > Below are two pictures sent to me by someone who just picked up what he > thought was a TR2 low port cylinder head. > > What is really strange is that there is a raised flat surface between > the second and third studs on the ports side. It looks as though it was > intended to have something mounted on top of the head alongside the > valve cover. > > Has anyone seen one of these heads before? Any idea what vehicle it was > originally intended for? Could this be a Ferguson tractor head? Any > help identifying this head would be appreciated. The new owner hopes to > bolt it to an early TR2. > > Teriann From budscars at comcast.net Sun May 30 18:57:27 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 17:57:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? References: <4C02813C.60805@gmail.com><9BC50BCC86E446968473B8438E2E6873@hpa1477c> <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <84D4B15D3CEA40B490B3BB5714D21F53@Bud> Hi TeriAnn...it looks like TR4 to me. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? > On 5/30/10 3:51 PM, Jack Brooks wrote: >> TeriAnn, >> >> No pictures go through the list. >> >> > Opps. Some of the email lists I belong to handle jpegs & some don't. I > enclosed them without thinking. > > www.tjwakeman.net/TR/TR.images/TR2_head2.JPG > > www.tjwakeman.net/TR/TR.images/tr2_head1.JPG >> Below are two pictures sent to me by someone who just picked up what he >> thought was a TR2 low port cylinder head. >> >> What is really strange is that there is a raised flat surface between >> the second and third studs on the ports side. It looks as though it was >> intended to have something mounted on top of the head alongside the >> valve cover. >> >> Has anyone seen one of these heads before? Any idea what vehicle it was >> originally intended for? Could this be a Ferguson tractor head? Any >> help identifying this head would be appreciated. The new owner hopes to >> bolt it to an early TR2. >> >> Teriann > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From herald948 at aol.com Sun May 30 19:23:51 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 21:23:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? In-Reply-To: <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> References: <4C02813C.60805@gmail.com><9BC50BCC86E446968473B8438E2E6873@hpa1477c> <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CCCE770FFDD088-1E88-10EA2@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> My first thought is that it might be a Standard Vanguard head. Are there any stamped numbers on it? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun May 30 19:33:12 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 18:33:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? In-Reply-To: <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> References: <4C02813C.60805@gmail.com><9BC50BCC86E446968473B8438E2E6873@hpa1477c> <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <286601cb0061$3c1e0860$0301a8c0@randall> > > Has anyone seen one of these heads before? Any idea what > vehicle it was > > originally intended for? Could this be a Ferguson tractor > head? Seems reasonable to me. The holes for the head studs look smaller than a TR (the Fergie had 7/16" studs instead of 1/2") and the manifold studs are the wrong pattern. But I can't seem to find a photo of that side of a Fergie motor, so I'm just guessing. Randall From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun May 30 20:42:09 2010 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 19:42:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? In-Reply-To: <8CCCE770FFDD088-1E88-10EA2@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> References: <4C02813C.60805@gmail.com><9BC50BCC86E446968473B8438E2E6873@hpa1477c> <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> <8CCCE770FFDD088-1E88-10EA2@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C032201.7020805@gmail.com> On 5/30/10 6:23 PM, Andrew Mace wrote: > My first thought is that it might be a Standard Vanguard head. Are > there any stamped numbers on it? > > --Andy Mace 511151 Teriann From herald948 at aol.com Sun May 30 21:31:15 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 23:31:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? In-Reply-To: <4C032201.7020805@gmail.com> References: <4C02813C.60805@gmail.com><9BC50BCC86E446968473B8438E2E6873@hpa1477c> <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> <8CCCE770FFDD088-1E88-10EA2@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> <4C032201.7020805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CCCE88DC3391BB-1E88-1185F@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Well, I'm not finding a number like that in any of my Standard Vanguard SPC's. :( --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman To: Andrew Mace Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 10:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? On 5/30/10 6:23 PM, Andrew Mace wrote: My first thought is that it might be a Standard Vanguardhead. Are there any stamped numbers on it? --AndyMace 511151 Teriann From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat May 1 11:37:36 2010 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 13:37:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] sending unit question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDC66E0.7060605@twcny.rr.com> IMHO go to sears and buy an infrared temperature gun - make sure it has the laser pointer. They only get expensive if you have to read to 2000F. They are dirt cheap and once I purchased one I use it all the time. From soldering to welding to tire temperatures they are fantastic. I get my engines good and hot and benchmark (document) all the bearing surfaces temps e.g. water pump, alternator and a few other key places. When I hear something untoward, just go over it with the temp gun and it quickly identifies the issue. Great purchase - father's day coming... Cheers, M From mdhado at comcast.net Sun May 2 08:13:02 2010 From: mdhado at comcast.net (M&M Hado) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 09:13:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping Message-ID: I have an A-Type overdrive in a TR4 that is slipping under load. Classic problem, I know, but bear with me please. It started out as a standard rebuild on a unit that had only 300-350 psi and wouldn't hold. It is a single-spring accumulator type. The piston rings were broken and it was dirty and basically clapped out so I did a standard rebuild of both the OD and gearbox, replacing all wearing components in the overdrive including the large thrust ring bearing. When done, I got 420 psi on the bench and it would not hold at all in OD when installed and put on the road, slipping out at the slightest throttle increase. I had the pressure gage in place for the road test and the pressure was steady except for the usual temporary drop when engaged. I ruled out any electrical issues by powering the solenoid directly by hand with a jumper. I took it out of the car again for inspection and found nothing unusual. There is plenty of liner surface left so I cleaned the cone clutch thoroughly and roughed up the surface to remove any glazing. Since the slipping point is between the clutch outside liner and break ring, I set the brake ring on the bench and lowered the cone clutch slowly to mate them up and thought there was a less than even contact. In other words, the clutch looked like it could be slightly oval and therefore would have a two-point contact rather than circumferential contact all around. It seemed to wobble slightly instead of being a tight even fit. It was ever so slight and after several attempts, I wasn't even sure it was a problem. It's hard to measure the clutch and break ring diameters because of the tapered surfaces. I wish I had put in a lathe to check the runout. To make a long story even longer, I added a washer or two under the accumulator spring and put it back in the car. Now I have no less than 525 psi which should be more than enough. The overdrive now kicks in and holds at steady highway speeds but kicks down like an automatic transmission when slightly more throttle is applied. It's worse in second and third gears because of the higher torque. It has to come out again and my plan is to change out the clutch and brake ring since I don't know what else to focus on. Any other ideas or suggestions? Thanks, Mike From cartravel at pobox.com Sun May 2 13:11:36 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 14:11:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDDCE68.7030401@pobox.com> Mike, You say it "kicks out of overdrive" when you apply the throttle. Does it not go back into overdrive when you let off the throttle? This is what I would expect if you have a slipping brake lining. If it doesn't go back into overdrive wouldn't that indicate a leak? Larry M&M Hado wrote: From budscars at comcast.net Sun May 2 13:46:15 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 12:46:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping References: <4BDDCE68.7030401@pobox.com> Message-ID: <701641F1ACAD4A3C9469EE8F0D86FF44@Bud> Hi Larry...just for the heck of it check the relays on the top of tranny..see if any connectors are loose...make sure ground is tight... RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "M&M Hado" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping > Mike, > You say it "kicks out of overdrive" when you apply the throttle. Does it > not go back into overdrive when you let off the throttle? This is what > I would expect if you have a slipping brake lining. If it doesn't go > back into overdrive wouldn't that indicate a leak? Larry > > M&M Hado wrote: > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun May 2 16:13:22 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 15:13:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <020f01caea44$ae17ee00$0301a8c0@randall> > Any other ideas or suggestions? Sounds to me like something else is blocking the motion of the clutch cone. Perhaps the carrier is hitting the housing? Or the direct drive springs getting into coil bind (perhaps the long springs installed in the short position)? ISTR the thrust is taken by two big circlips that hold the thrust bearing in place ... perhaps one of the circlips is out of place or missing? Nelson even mentions that problem in his tech article (in the section on assembling the sliding clutch): http://www.buckeyetriumphs.org/technical/AOD/AOD3/AOD3.htm Randall From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sun May 2 17:26:35 2010 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 19:26:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping References: Message-ID: <83689C0945894D4D836B1BA971AAB289@elliott7455dae> Over on the right side there is a hole that you have to line up with a drill of a certain diameter. Recently, owners of TRs with "A" type overdrives have reported that if you move the lever arm a bit one way or the other that you can find a "sweet spot" where the problem disappears. The drill won't line up but the overdrive will not slip. Also you mentioned that the piston rings were broken. The early TR2s had overdrives with smaller pistons and steel rings in the piston grooves much like we all find in the pistons in the engine. Later, Laycock re-developed the overdrive with larger pistons (hence more pressure) and these larger pistons did not have piston rings - they came with o-rings. I have 325 psi oil pressure using Valvoline 20-W 30 Racing oil and while I have to let up for a millisecond when switching into 2nd overdrive only, the 325 psi oil pressure I measured is sufficient for the "A" type overdrive in my 1958 TR3A. Don Elliott, Original Owner, 1958 TR3A, Montreal -------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "M&M Hado" To: Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:13 AM Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping >I have an A-Type overdrive in a TR4 that is slipping under load. Classic > problem, I know, but bear with me please. It started out as a standard > rebuild on a unit that had only 300-350 psi and wouldn't hold. It is a > single-spring accumulator type. The piston rings were broken and it was > dirty and basically clapped out so I did a standard rebuild of both the OD > and gearbox, replacing all wearing components in the overdrive including > the > large thrust ring bearing. > > When done, I got 420 psi on the bench and it would not hold at all in OD > when installed and put on the road, slipping out at the slightest throttle > increase. I had the pressure gage in place for the road test and the > pressure was steady except for the usual temporary drop when engaged. I > ruled out any electrical issues by powering the solenoid directly by hand > with a jumper. > > I took it out of the car again for inspection and found nothing unusual. > There is plenty of liner surface left so I cleaned the cone clutch > thoroughly and roughed up the surface to remove any glazing. Since the > slipping point is between the clutch outside liner and break ring, I set > the > brake ring on the bench and lowered the cone clutch slowly to mate them up > and thought there was a less than even contact. In other words, the > clutch > looked like it could be slightly oval and therefore would have a two-point > contact rather than circumferential contact all around. It seemed to > wobble > slightly instead of being a tight even fit. It was ever so slight and > after > several attempts, I wasn't even sure it was a problem. It's hard to > measure > the clutch and break ring diameters because of the tapered surfaces. I > wish > I had put in a lathe to check the runout. > > To make a long story even longer, I added a washer or two under the > accumulator spring and put it back in the car. Now I have no less than > 525 > psi which should be more than enough. The overdrive now kicks in and > holds > at steady highway speeds but kicks down like an automatic transmission > when > slightly more throttle is applied. It's worse in second and third gears > because of the higher torque. It has to come out again and my plan is to > change out the clutch and brake ring since I don't know what else to focus > on. Any other ideas or suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca From fogbro1 at comcast.net Sun May 2 18:03:33 2010 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 20:03:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind References: <020f01caea44$ae17ee00$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <6F84EDE071144B1EBEA8B27FDFC073DB@Edscomputer> List, Some of the brand new spring sets are furnished with springs of equal length. I recall installing one set successfully but was very concerned about coil bind, having measured the collasped length of the inner (red) spring and made an educated guess of the available space within the overdrive. ISTR that there was 1/16" of an inch to spare. Since then, I've been buying sets from TRF than have some differential between the short and long springs, although not quite the 1/4" the manuals spec. Ed Woods From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun May 2 19:26:42 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 18:26:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping In-Reply-To: <83689C0945894D4D836B1BA971AAB289@elliott7455dae> References: <83689C0945894D4D836B1BA971AAB289@elliott7455dae> Message-ID: <029e01caea5f$b0830650$0301a8c0@randall> > Later, > Laycock re-developed > the overdrive with larger pistons (hence more pressure) and > these larger > pistons did not have piston rings - they came with o-rings. I believe the piston size got larger during the TR2 run (when OD in 2nd & 3rd was added); but the O-ring seals did not come in until 1964 or so. Anyway, my original TR3A OD had the larger pistons with cast iron rings on them. > I have 325 psi oil pressure Too low, IMO. The TR4 workshop manual (which is for the same OD as used by TR3-3B) says 380-400 is required. At 420 psi (with Redline MT-90), I can shift into 2nd OD at full throttle and no sign of slipping. Note that the factory specified pressures as high as 500 psi for some applications (early Stag), so I don't think there is any concern over the unit being able to handle the pressure. The point about setting the operating valve is a good one; but incorrect setting will normally just cause the unit to shift slowly or not work at all, rather than slip in overdrive. Best practice, IMO, is to ignore the "setting lever" and measure the ball movement directly. Opinions vary on how much the ball should move (See Nelson's article for a study of behavior at various lifts), but I use .030 - .040" based on an old article by Del Border (which was actually for a big Healey, and said 1/32" - 1/16"). The TR4 OD I have in my TR3 gives almost exactly 1/32" lift with the setting lever lined up, and does have some wear in the linkage, so I feel this gives credence to the numbers that Del quoted. Randall From mdhado at comcast.net Sun May 2 19:46:10 2010 From: mdhado at comcast.net (M&M Hado) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 20:46:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind In-Reply-To: <6F84EDE071144B1EBEA8B27FDFC073DB@Edscomputer> Message-ID: Ed, That's a great thought and Randall had also suggested the possibility of coil binding and I had not considered that. I have a spare unit and measured the distance between the seating surfaces of the springs and it's about 3 1/32" on the inner land (for the shorter springs) and the outer is about 3.5". Also, when the OD is engaged, this distance is reduced by 1/16" to 3/32" depending on the wear of the clutch. I then measured the length of the springs when they are coil bound and the long ones are around 2 15/16" on average and the short ones are 2.5". Do the math and you can see that if the longer springs are used where the short ones should be, they will be right at the binding point when the OD is engaged. The compressed spring absolute minimum length is 2 15/16" and the space to put it in is the same, or slightly less! Most of the OD's I've done have about the same size springs +/- 1/8" so I simply put the slightly shorter ones on the inner lands, thinking there is plenty of space. Clearly there is the possibility that they will bind. Thanks, again, for your suggestions and I'll let you know how it goes after I take this apart for the third time. Lessen learned. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Ed Woods Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:04 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind List, Some of the brand new spring sets are furnished with springs of equal length. I recall installing one set successfully but was very concerned about coil bind, having measured the collasped length of the inner (red) spring and made an educated guess of the available space within the overdrive. ISTR that there was 1/16" of an inch to spare. Since then, I've been buying sets from TRF than have some differential between the short and long springs, although not quite the 1/4" the manuals spec. Ed Woods _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mdhado at comcast.net From mdhado at comcast.net Sun May 2 20:12:41 2010 From: mdhado at comcast.net (M&M Hado) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 21:12:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping In-Reply-To: <029e01caea5f$b0830650$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: Regarding the line-up of the lever and hole, I agree that this is ballpark at best. My final setting is always based on getting the ball above the seat sufficiently to get the pressure to the pistons in a "reasonable" time. On a related note, I just learned recently of the reason for decreasing the diameter of the accumulator piston on the later A-types. The original larger accumulator piston results in a greater volume of oil being "accumulated" under pressure. When the unit is engaged, the pressure falls off as the oil rushes to the operating pistons, but it only falls slightly because of the volume in the system. By going to a smaller piston and less volume, the pressure drops off more and it takes the pump slightly longer to build up the oil pressure which results in a smoother shift. In other words, the later units will not "slam in" as hard as the older units seem to sometimes. Made sense to me. Mike The point about setting the operating valve is a good one; but incorrect setting will normally just cause the unit to shift slowly or not work at all, rather than slip in overdrive. Best practice, IMO, is to ignore the "setting lever" and measure the ball movement directly. Opinions vary on how much the ball should move (See Nelson's article for a study of behavior at various lifts), but I use .030 - .040" based on an old article by Del Border (which was actually for a big Healey, and said 1/32" - 1/16"). The TR4 OD I have in my TR3 gives almost exactly 1/32" lift with the setting lever lined up, and does have some wear in the linkage, so I feel this gives credence to the numbers that Del quoted. Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mdhado at comcast.net From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon May 3 06:17:00 2010 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 05:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Funny and Interesting Quote on Planes and Triumphs Message-ID: <86224.15293.qm@web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >From the Detroit Free Press, Sunday 05-02-2010 in a travel section article: Planes: All except two were your basic crowded Boeing 737s or Airbus A319s. The smallest was a surprisingly comfortable 60-seat Embraer RJ145 from Houston to Mexico City. The oldest was a 1970s B-era DC-9 on a Delta route between Detroit and Hartford, Conn. When things got bumpy, that DC-9 bounced around like a dog on a trampoline. b When are you going to get rid of this old plane?b I asked the pilot as we were exiting. He grinned and said he loved flyB-ing it because it was reliable and like driving his old TriB-umph sports car. B B Doug Mitchell -- dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon May 3 06:20:19 2010 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:20:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 7/16 TR4 rear wheel studs Message-ID: Amici, I'm looking for some longer rear axle (stock axle & hub) wheel studs for my TR4. I would like some that are about 2" long that are 7/16-20 thread that would replace the stock wheel studs without modification. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad From fasttrs at yahoo.com Mon May 3 06:31:07 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 05:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 7/16 TR4 rear wheel studs Message-ID: <789237.91411.qm@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Moroso made some that were 2.5" long that I have used on several race cars. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2010, at 7:20 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: Amici, I'm looking for some longer rear axle (stock axle & hub) wheel studs for my TR4. I would like some that are about 2" long that are 7/16-20 thread that would replace the stock wheel studs without modification. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From jsnook at wcnet.org Mon May 3 07:38:48 2010 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:38:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Gingerman Race Message-ID: <003001caeac5$f60ffbe0$e22ff3a0$@org> Just back from racing my TR3 at Gingerman Raceway in South Haven, Michigan. Only a 2 day race weekend since Friday was the VSCDA annual driver's school. I was breaking in a new motor so the first three sessions were RPM limited. Finally was able to race harder during the qualifying race during the last session on Saturday and the car ran great....... Thanks to Glen Efinger and Terry Stetler!!! Sunday appeared to be a rain-out so I packed up and left for home early with my "Mission Accomplished"! Only two other FOTers in attendance (that I was aware of), Bob Wismer (1/2 the Beady Eye Racing Team) in his TR4, and the father & son team of Tim and Ryan Murphy. This was son Ryan's turn at the wheel this weekend and he was flogging their TR4 around quite briskly despite some high speed missing problems. They have done a very nice job of bringing this old TR4 race car back to life and should be proud of the car's beautiful presentation. Vroom, vroom, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com From BillDentin at aol.com Mon May 3 09:10:52 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 11:10:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] Mike Rothschild article... Message-ID: <13cda.6f9c9366.3910417c@aol.com> Amici... For any of you wishing to see a picture of Mordy Dunst, when he was young and good looking, you need to seek a copy of the current issue of TRIUMPH WORLD. My copy arrived Saturday day, and while I've not read it yet, there's an article about Mike Rothschild (Mordy's father-in-law, and Golden Age Triumph racer) by Paul Richardson. Like I say, there's a nice picture included of the family along with Ken and Paul Richardson. Apparently at one time Mordy was young and good looking. Bill (Damdinger) PS Some feel that engine swaps and other customizing efforts of the TRIUMPH TRs is sacrilegious, and a NO-NO. But the pictures of another article about a V8 powered, seriously customized TR6 sure caught my eye. Depending upon your tastes the front end might be a little over the top, but I could live with it, and I sure like what he did with the rear end. I'd like to drive this car. From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon May 3 09:35:40 2010 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 11:35:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Mike Rothschild article... Message-ID: <15805.1346ee8c.3910474c@aol.com> Ya know, I can remember when Mordy was young... In a message dated 5/3/2010 8:34:31 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, BillDentin at aol.com writes: Amici... For any of you wishing to see a picture of Mordy Dunst, when he was young and good looking, you need to seek a copy of the current issue of TRIUMPH WORLD. My copy arrived Saturday day, and while I've not read it yet, there's an article about Mike Rothschild (Mordy's father-in-law, and Golden Age Triumph racer) by Paul Richardson. Like I say, there's a nice picture included of the family along with Ken and Paul Richardson. Apparently at one time Mordy was young and good looking. Bill (Damdinger) PS Some feel that engine swaps and other customizing efforts of the TRIUMPH TRs is sacrilegious, and a NO-NO. But the pictures of another article about a V8 powered, seriously customized TR6 sure caught my eye. Depending upon your tastes the front end might be a little over the top, but I could live with it, and I sure like what he did with the rear end. I'd like to drive this car. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From cartravel at pobox.com Mon May 3 09:42:09 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 10:42:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDEEED1.4090504@pobox.com> Mike, Randall made a good point about the springs. I measured several of these for my articles at vtr.org. The length difference was much less than 1/8 inch. The most important difference is the wire gauge. The long springs have a larger wire gauge which causes the coil bind differences you've observed. The pressure spec on the A-types is 360 psi for the early ones with large accumulators and 450 for the later ones. I've seen pressures of 650 recommended for racing, but I think that is overkill. Larry M&M Hado wrote: > Ed, > > That's a great thought and Randall had also suggested the possibility of > coil binding and I had not considered that. I have a spare unit and > measured the distance between the seating surfaces of the springs and it's > about 3 1/32" on the inner land (for the shorter springs) and the outer is > about 3.5". Also, when the OD is engaged, this distance is reduced by 1/16" > to 3/32" depending on the wear of the clutch. > > I then measured the length of the springs when they are coil bound and the > long ones are around 2 15/16" on average and the short ones are 2.5". Do > the math and you can see that if the longer springs are used where the short > ones should be, they will be right at the binding point when the OD is > engaged. The compressed spring absolute minimum length is 2 15/16" and the > space to put it in is the same, or slightly less! > > Most of the OD's I've done have about the same size springs +/- 1/8" so I > simply put the slightly shorter ones on the inner lands, thinking there is > plenty of space. Clearly there is the possibility that they will bind. > > Thanks, again, for your suggestions and I'll let you know how it goes after > I take this apart for the third time. Lessen learned. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Ed Woods > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:04 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind > > > List, > > Some of the brand new spring sets are furnished with springs of equal > length. I recall installing one set successfully but was very concerned > about coil bind, having measured the collasped length of the inner (red) > spring and made an educated guess of the available space within the > overdrive. ISTR that there was 1/16" of an inch to spare. Since then, I've > been buying sets from TRF than have some differential between the short and > long springs, although not quite the 1/4" the manuals spec. > > Ed Woods > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mdhado at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From chasgee at aol.com Mon May 3 09:43:22 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 11:43:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mike Rothschild article... In-Reply-To: <13cda.6f9c9366.3910417c@aol.com> References: <13cda.6f9c9366.3910417c@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CCB8EE7F2C1D5F-1ED0-4689@webmail-m022.sysops.aol.com> although I agree that Mordy was once young, I feel that good looking is a stretch... His sons have turned out good though, it must skip a generation. From BillDentin at aol.com Mon May 3 09:56:59 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 11:56:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] Mike Rothschild article... Message-ID: <17960.26be1517.39104c4b@aol.com> In a message dated 05/03/2010 10:43:37 AM Central Daylight Time, chasgee at aol.com writes: > although I agree that Mordy was once young, I feel that good looking is > a stretch... > > His sons have turned out good though, it must skip a generation. > Naw. That ain't it. The picture has the answer to that as well. Look at his wife. Clearly, Mordy married UP. Bill From spitlist at cox.net Mon May 3 10:07:12 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:07:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 7/16 TR4 rear wheel studs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Brad, If you go metric, it will open a whole wealth of options. Take an old stud to your local auto parts store and ask to look in their Dorman's catalog. You will look for the one that fits the shank and is the length you want. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Kahler Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:20 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] 7/16 TR4 rear wheel studs Amici, I'm looking for some longer rear axle (stock axle & hub) wheel studs for my TR4. I would like some that are about 2" long that are 7/16-20 thread that would replace the stock wheel studs without modification. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon May 3 11:11:45 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 13:11:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] 7/16 TR4 rear wheel studs Message-ID: <1d411.77b324ff.39105dd1@cs.com> 12 mm is the size I think....tons of them > Brad, > If you go metric, it will open a whole wealth of options. Take an old stud > to your local auto parts store and ask to look in their Dorman's catalog. > You will look for the one that fits the shank and is the length you want. > > Joe C. > From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Mon May 3 12:43:02 2010 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 18:43:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 7/16 TR4 rear wheel studs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100503184303.5XF58.305181.root@cdptpa-web18-z01> There is an ARP that have splines that slightly to large. I turn them on a lathe to make the spline fit and then put a touch of weld on the back side as security. Bob ---- Joe Curry wrote: > Brad, > If you go metric, it will open a whole wealth of options. Take an old stud > to your local auto parts store and ask to look in their Dorman's catalog. > You will look for the one that fits the shank and is the length you want. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Brad Kahler > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:20 AM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] 7/16 TR4 rear wheel studs > > Amici, > > I'm looking for some longer rear axle (stock axle & hub) wheel studs > for my TR4. I would like some that are about 2" long that are 7/16-20 > thread that would replace the stock wheel studs without modification. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From mdhado at comcast.net Mon May 3 13:05:54 2010 From: mdhado at comcast.net (M&M Hado) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 14:05:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind In-Reply-To: <4BDEEED1.4090504@pobox.com> Message-ID: Larry, Thanks for your additional comments. That makes me feel a little better about the 525 psi I have now but still may reduce it once I go into the OD again to investigate the springs. One thing not mentioned in any of the threads is the fact that some springs I've seen are LH and some are RH coils. Do you know the significance of this and if it matters? I don't think it's as simple as the short springs are one type and the long springs are another. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young [mailto:cartravel at pobox.com] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:42 AM To: M&M Hado; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind Mike, Randall made a good point about the springs. I measured several of these for my articles at vtr.org. The length difference was much less than 1/8 inch. The most important difference is the wire gauge. The long springs have a larger wire gauge which causes the coil bind differences you've observed. The pressure spec on the A-types is 360 psi for the early ones with large accumulators and 450 for the later ones. I've seen pressures of 650 recommended for racing, but I think that is overkill. Larry From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon May 3 16:21:47 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 17:21:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Gingerman Race In-Reply-To: <003001caeac5$f60ffbe0$e22ff3a0$@org> References: <003001caeac5$f60ffbe0$e22ff3a0$@org> Message-ID: <000001caeb0f$05c2f4e0$1148dea0$@com> Thanks for the compliments Jeff! The warm up was rained out Sunday morning but it cleared up and all the races were run in really nice weather, sunny and mid-60's. Ryan spent most of the 15 lap feature race chasing Mike Fisher in his white Group 2M1 1960 Austin Healy 3000 Mk I. He could stay with him through the corners but just didn't have enough to get him on the straights. Good racing and as Mike is a very experienced driver, a good learning experience following him. We also have our starting problem back where it loads up and we have to leave the fuel pump off until it cleans out then can switch on and it runs fine. I think one or both needle and seats in the SU H6's are leaking. They've been there for about 1800 race miles so the vibration has probably done them in. I've just ordered new ones from Moss (they only have the ones with the Viton tips) and am hoping that will solve the problem. It would just stumble a bit at the end of the straight and in the long sweeper. I have to take a look at the video from the race and see if the EGT's show me anything. We re-aimed the camera to pick up the gauges and Ryan gave an indication when it would stumble. Looks like I'll be doing some more early Sunday morning road testing on our town road again. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Snook Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:39 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Gingerman Race Just back from racing my TR3 at Gingerman Raceway in South Haven, Michigan. Only a 2 day race weekend since Friday was the VSCDA annual driver's school. I was breaking in a new motor so the first three sessions were RPM limited. Finally was able to race harder during the qualifying race during the last session on Saturday and the car ran great....... Thanks to Glen Efinger and Terry Stetler!!! Sunday appeared to be a rain-out so I packed up and left for home early with my "Mission Accomplished"! Only two other FOTers in attendance (that I was aware of), Bob Wismer (1/2 the Beady Eye Racing Team) in his TR4, and the father & son team of Tim and Ryan Murphy. This was son Ryan's turn at the wheel this weekend and he was flogging their TR4 around quite briskly despite some high speed missing problems. They have done a very nice job of bringing this old TR4 race car back to life and should be proud of the car's beautiful presentation. Vroom, vroom, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Mon May 3 17:00:07 2010 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 09:00:07 +1000 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping and Coil Bind Message-ID: I have encountered the "wrong" springs on a few occasions over the years. In all cases has happened when o/d is built from bits. As pointed out by others, there are various different "short & long" in the family of A type O/d's, and the wrong ones on the inner will stop the clutch travel. Rover & Healey had all 8 springs on 1 part of the bridge, not stepped, so you cant use the springs from them. The TR, 8-spring set, is quite unusual, if not unique Terry O'Beirne From dave at microworks.net Mon May 3 21:29:59 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 20:29:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Laps on the new Track in AZ Message-ID: <4BDF94B7.6000500@microworks.net> Here are some on-board laps on the new track (Inde Motorsports) here in AZ. It is in Wilcox which is down south of Tucson. We may be going down there at the end of the month to run the kat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsnnU-0B52Y From KENMUN at aol.com Tue May 4 11:21:04 2010 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 13:21:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] tr 3/4 connecting rods Message-ID: <8012.1e58b877.3911b180@aol.com> fot, anyone have a set of con. rods they'd like to sell. thanks, ken m. vintage tr 3 racer. From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue May 4 17:38:31 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:38:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 filter head relief valve Message-ID: <001e01caebe2$e7ce8c90$b76ba5b0$@rr.com> I am trying to solve the little seeps I have around the filter head. Has anyone used an o-ring under a washer to seal the pressure relief valve adjusting screw lock nut? I thought I would give this a try but the o-rings available at the local autoparts store seems to be too thick and stand proud of the chamfer that used to be sealed by a lead wire. What have you guys used? Thanks, Greg From jgambony at gcecisp.com Tue May 4 18:36:46 2010 From: jgambony at gcecisp.com (Jim Gambony) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 19:36:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Any Spitfire owners running twin sidedraft Webers or Dellortos? Message-ID: <32F1F5B7D2E9411CA47E849CE98E152A@jrg> Subject line says it all. Please contact me off list, I'm trying to help another Spitfire owner. Cheers, Jim Dallas jgambony at gcecisp.com From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Tue May 4 19:01:20 2010 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 11:01:20 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 filter head relief valve In-Reply-To: <001e01caebe2$e7ce8c90$b76ba5b0$@rr.com> References: <001e01caebe2$e7ce8c90$b76ba5b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: Greg, I Just use some very THIN soldering wire wrapped a couple of times around the thread/under the washer. You can get a roll of this from any goods electronics/electrical shop for a few dollars. Works good for me. Cheers... Kind Regards Peter Vucinic http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2010 9:39 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 filter head relief valve I am trying to solve the little seeps I have around the filter head. Has anyone used an o-ring under a washer to seal the pressure relief valve adjusting screw lock nut? I thought I would give this a try but the o-rings available at the local autoparts store seems to be too thick and stand proud of the chamfer that used to be sealed by a lead wire. What have you guys used? Thanks, Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic at netspace.net.au From mpendy at dishmail.net Tue May 4 20:47:13 2010 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 19:47:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 filter head relief valve References: <001e01caebe2$e7ce8c90$b76ba5b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: Copper ' crush ' washers have always worked for me. MPendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 4:38 PM Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 filter head relief valve >I am trying to solve the little seeps I have around the filter head. Has > anyone used an o-ring under a washer to seal the pressure relief valve > adjusting screw lock nut? I thought I would give this a try but the > o-rings > available at the local autoparts store seems to be too thick and stand > proud > of the chamfer that used to be sealed by a lead wire. > > > > What have you guys used? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net From seaCubeCo at aol.com Wed May 5 07:58:45 2010 From: seaCubeCo at aol.com (Seacubeco) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 09:58:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit spindles In-Reply-To: References: <001e01caebe2$e7ce8c90$b76ba5b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <3B989ADE-9A01-418A-ACA4-5FD1F323067D@aol.com> Hey Friends, How important is it to upgrade to the gt6 spindles? I have a friend who twists the snot out of his 1300 spit autocrosding and he has stock spit spindles. I plan on putting my spit on the track and was wondering. I know it is an easy upgrade, but do I need yo do it right away? Thanks Chris Sent from my IPhone On May 4, 2010, at 10:47 PM, "Mark Pendergrass" wrote: > Copper ' crush ' washers have always worked for me. MPendy > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 4:38 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 filter head relief valve > > >> I am trying to solve the little seeps I have around the filter >> head. Has >> anyone used an o-ring under a washer to seal the pressure relief >> valve >> adjusting screw lock nut? I thought I would give this a try but >> the o-rings >> available at the local autoparts store seems to be too thick and >> stand proud >> of the chamfer that used to be sealed by a lead wire. >> >> >> >> What have you guys used? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Greg >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From tpettenati at yahoo.com Wed May 5 12:48:49 2010 From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 11:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spit rear brakes Message-ID: <100717.68316.qm@web180312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello Friends, I'm in the process of rebuilding my rear brakes on my 65 Spit, and have found a slight modification that I'd like to understand better. The backing plates have been rotated 90 degrees, so the the wheel cylinders are now rearward instead of at the top. In other words facing the right rear hub, the wheel cylinder would be at 9:00 o'clock. Similar when facing the left rear, wheel cylinder at 3:00 o'clock. Any good reason that one of the previous owners would have made that change? Otherwise I'd like to put it back to the correct orientation. I'm not too sure about how effective the bleed screws are, now that they face down. Cheers, Tim Pettenati From spitlist at cox.net Wed May 5 14:10:08 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 13:10:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spit spindles In-Reply-To: <3B989ADE-9A01-418A-ACA4-5FD1F323067D@aol.com> References: <001e01caebe2$e7ce8c90$b76ba5b0$@rr.com> <3B989ADE-9A01-418A-ACA4-5FD1F323067D@aol.com> Message-ID: <5AD35E6344E54CF4AD7A2444A662C218@joepentiumnew> The Spindles are typically done with the upgrade to GT6 calipers which is a good idea (Rear drums as well). So if your sanctioning body allows it, I would say go for it. But if you are keeping the same calipers, I don't think you need worry about the stock spindles being too weak. Just MHI, Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Seacubeco Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 6:59 AM To: Mark Pendergrass Cc: Subject: [Fot] Spit spindles Hey Friends, How important is it to upgrade to the gt6 spindles? I have a friend who twists the snot out of his 1300 spit autocrosding and he has stock spit spindles. I plan on putting my spit on the track and was wondering. I know it is an easy upgrade, but do I need yo do it right away? Thanks Chris Sent from my IPhone On May 4, 2010, at 10:47 PM, "Mark Pendergrass" wrote: > Copper ' crush ' washers have always worked for me. MPendy > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 4:38 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 filter head relief valve > > >> I am trying to solve the little seeps I have around the filter >> head. Has >> anyone used an o-ring under a washer to seal the pressure relief >> valve >> adjusting screw lock nut? I thought I would give this a try but >> the o-rings >> available at the local autoparts store seems to be too thick and >> stand proud >> of the chamfer that used to be sealed by a lead wire. >> >> >> >> What have you guys used? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Greg >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Wed May 5 14:32:38 2010 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 13:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 oil galley Acusump plumbing Message-ID: <173731.61633.qm@web46114.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> If I recall there was a thread a few months ago where one of you explained how you adapted the oil galley plugs to manifold your Acusump into the galley. In fact I recall some one sent me photos. I have deleted that email. It would be great if you could resend. Thanks!!!! Mike Mehl From triosan at gmail.com Wed May 5 16:20:15 2010 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 15:20:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 oil galley Acusump plumbing In-Reply-To: <173731.61633.qm@web46114.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <173731.61633.qm@web46114.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike. Think it was me. I have annotated the photos and uploaded them to picasa web. You see them, and many more TR related pictures at: http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/OilGalleryPlumbing# Chuck On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > If I recall there was a thread a few months ago where one of you explained > how > you adapted the oil galley plugs to manifold your Acusump into the galley. > In > fact I recall some one sent me photos. I have deleted that email. It > would > be great if you could resend. > > Thanks!!!! > > Mike Mehl > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed May 5 20:10:46 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 19:10:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 oil galley Acusump plumbing In-Reply-To: <173731.61633.qm@web46114.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <173731.61633.qm@web46114.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7780F6CD-3BE8-47FE-861A-60D560BB45F8@earthlink.net> I had one of my oil gallery bolt holes in my engine block tapped to accept a 3/8 NPT to -10AN fitting. This was done in the machine shop before the block was cleaned. My machinist said it could be done with an assembled motor with thick white grease in the hole to trap metal bits from the tapping but I didn't feel comfortable doing it. I sent a picture to Mike of the fitting in the block. If anyone else wants a picture please email me. ~Steve On May 5, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: If I recall there was a thread a few months ago where one of you explained how you adapted the oil galley plugs to manifold your Acusump into the galley. In fact I recall some one sent me photos. I have deleted that email. It would be great if you could resend. Thanks!!!! Mike Mehl _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From mdhado at comcast.net Wed May 5 20:39:07 2010 From: mdhado at comcast.net (M&M Hado) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 21:39:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping - Final Outcome Message-ID: Last week I started a thread on a problem with a slipping overdrive and I thought some may wonder how it worked out. One of the "long" springs was installed on the inner, or shorter, land and was coil bound. That's only one out of the four and that's all it took. I checked a couple dozen springs that I had and found that it does not matter what the free length is, whether it is LH or RH wound coils, or even what the end color is, the only thing that really matters is the length when fully compressed, or coil bound. All of my springs were either 3" or 2.5 " when fully compressed. The 3" go on the outside and the 2.5" go on the inside land. Go by that and you'll always be fine. Thanks to all who offered suggestions and led me to the simple solution. Mike From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed May 5 21:25:53 2010 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 03:25:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR3 to TR4 ball joint issue solved Message-ID: <1609607610.18835411273116353818.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT, I tried a different set of ball joints today from BPNW. Problem solved. The spring pan now sits nicely as it should on the bumper stop. Nice! Dave H. From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Thu May 6 06:22:37 2010 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 07:22:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Small Crank 1300 ID Help Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A71965D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Morning Members, Need some help IDing a potential 1300 small crank Spitfire engine. Casting # is FC72027HE, owner says it has a 1 1/2" across the flats measurement on the crank bolt too. It's cheap but the freight is going to kill me if it's not a small crank 1300 so any help is appreciated to make sure it's what I want prior to shipping it. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From bkahler1 at gmail.com Thu May 6 06:57:02 2010 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 08:57:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Small Crank 1300 ID Help In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A71965D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A71965D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: Mark, FC engines are 1147 engines. Many parts are interchangable such as crank, rods, timing gears & chains, (I think the main and rod caps) but the block itself is different. The 1147 uses 11 head studs and the 1300 uses 10 head studs. Head studs is the easiest (other than serial number) way to tell the difference between the two engines. Obviously the heads are totally different. Hope this helps. Brad On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info wrote: > Morning Members, > > Need some help IDing a potential 1300 small crank Spitfire engine. > Casting # is FC72027HE, owner says it has a 1 1/2" across the flats > measurement on the crank bolt too. It's cheap but the freight is going > to kill me if it's not a small crank 1300 so any help is appreciated to > make sure it's what I want prior to shipping it. > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Thu May 6 07:05:36 2010 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 06:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Small Crank 1300 ID Help In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A71965D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <378917.27980.qm@web57616.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Mark: If the prefix is FC, then according to my information the engine would be an 1147. Ernie --- On Thu, 5/6/10, Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info wrote: Morning Members, Need some help IDing a potential 1300 small crank Spitfire engine. Casting # is FC72027HE, owner says it has a 1 1/2" across the flats measurement on the crank bolt too. It's cheap but the freight is going to kill me if it's not a small crank 1300 so any help is appreciated to make sure it's what I want prior to shipping it. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Thu May 6 07:24:56 2010 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 08:24:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1500 Rick Cline Engine for sale Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A719660@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Morning members, Well it looks like my 1300 small crank has turned out to be a 1147, oh well!! Anyway I have Rick Cline's last SCCA 1500 engine that he ran. It has been freshened and Dyno run by Bob Wagner in Atlanta and is good to go. I bought it on a lark and am now a 1300 small crank guy so it needs to go to make room for other stuff I probably don't need!! It's complete down to the spark plugs, distributor etc but no carbs. I would like to get 2500.00 for it. It even has the chromed mounts and plates, and Rick's stickers on the valve cover. I have freight lines in and out of my business all the time so shipping it is easier for me than most if you're not close by enough to come and pick it up. If you have a small crank 1300 core maybe there is a trade in play???? Brad told me Scott Barr might be a player on the 1500 too if anyone can contact him. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu May 6 10:07:08 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 09:07:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Small Crank 1300 ID Help In-Reply-To: References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A71965D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: To add to what Brad said, you are looking for an engine serial number starting with FD or FE. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Kahler Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:57 AM To: Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Small Crank 1300 ID Help Mark, FC engines are 1147 engines. Many parts are interchangable such as crank, rods, timing gears & chains, (I think the main and rod caps) but the block itself is different. The 1147 uses 11 head studs and the 1300 uses 10 head studs. Head studs is the easiest (other than serial number) way to tell the difference between the two engines. Obviously the heads are totally different. Hope this helps. Brad On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info wrote: > Morning Members, > > Need some help IDing a potential 1300 small crank Spitfire engine. > Casting # is FC72027HE, owner says it has a 1 1/2" across the flats > measurement on the crank bolt too. It's cheap but the freight is going > to kill me if it's not a small crank 1300 so any help is appreciated to > make sure it's what I want prior to shipping it. > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu May 6 10:11:21 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:11:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping - Final Outcome In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601caed36$c5758270$50608750$@com> Thanks for the update on the outcome. That's really good information. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of M&M Hado Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:39 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Slipping - Final Outcome Last week I started a thread on a problem with a slipping overdrive and I thought some may wonder how it worked out. One of the "long" springs was installed on the inner, or shorter, land and was coil bound. That's only one out of the four and that's all it took. I checked a couple dozen springs that I had and found that it does not matter what the free length is, whether it is LH or RH wound coils, or even what the end color is, the only thing that really matters is the length when fully compressed, or coil bound. All of my springs were either 3" or 2.5 " when fully compressed. The 3" go on the outside and the 2.5" go on the inside land. Go by that and you'll always be fine. Thanks to all who offered suggestions and led me to the simple solution. Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From gaf3 at charter.net Thu May 6 15:13:45 2010 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 17:13:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan Message-ID: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> Group I've been working on a friends 74 TR6 and we discovered lots of crank end play. I checked the end play because he was complaining of hard shifts or grinding while putting the trans in reverse. I removed the pan and found the thrust washers in the oil pan.. I've run into large end play issues with the TR6's but this is the first I've seen in the pan. Understanding that this is a common malady with the TR6, I ordered a few sets of oversize thrust washers. Don't think there is enough material in a .025" oversize bearing to fix the problem. I pulled the bearing cap and didn't see major wear in the thrust face of the crank. I will need to do a closer inspection of the block Anyone out there seen a reasonable/simple fix for this problem? Thanks in advance Glenn Franco TR6's, 250 and Spit racer From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Thu May 6 21:36:28 2010 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 23:36:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan In-Reply-To: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> References: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> Message-ID: This is more common than you think. Iv'e had to repair several. If your lucky the larger size washers will take care of the end play, but the real problem is it usually wears off the tabs on the bottom main bearing cap which holds the washers in place. To fix this you can add weld to the cap and carefully grind it back to the original shape and or pin the washers with brass to the block. Of coarse the crank would need to come out to put the pins in. Good luck, Lorne > Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 17:13:45 -0400 > From: gaf3 at charter.net > To: fot at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan > > Group > I've been working on a friends 74 TR6 and we discovered lots of crank > end play. > I checked the end play because he was complaining of hard shifts or > grinding while putting the trans in reverse. > I removed the pan and found the thrust washers in the oil pan.. > I've run into large end play issues with the TR6's but this is the first > I've seen in the pan. > > Understanding that this is a common malady with the TR6, I ordered a few > sets of oversize thrust washers. > Don't think there is enough material in a .025" oversize bearing to fix > the problem. > > I pulled the bearing cap and didn't see major wear in the thrust face of > the crank. I will need to do a closer inspection of the block > > Anyone out there seen a reasonable/simple fix for this problem? > > Thanks in advance > Glenn Franco > TR6's, 250 and Spit racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lfritz82 at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID2832 6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Fri May 7 02:38:05 2010 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 18:38:05 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan In-Reply-To: References: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> Message-ID: I have always run a full circle thrust washer on clutch side . I mill the bearing cap. I can send specs if required Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorne Fritz" To: ; ; <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan > This is more common than you think. Iv'e had to repair several. > If your lucky the larger size washers will take care of the end play, but > the > real problem is it usually wears off the tabs on the bottom main bearing > cap > which holds the washers in place. To fix this you can add weld to the cap > and > carefully grind it back to the original shape and or pin the washers with > brass to the block. Of coarse the crank would need to come out to put the > pins > in. Good luck, Lorne >> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 17:13:45 -0400 >> From: gaf3 at charter.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan >> >> Group >> I've been working on a friends 74 TR6 and we discovered lots of crank >> end play. >> I checked the end play because he was complaining of hard shifts or >> grinding while putting the trans in reverse. >> I removed the pan and found the thrust washers in the oil pan.. >> I've run into large end play issues with the TR6's but this is the first >> I've seen in the pan. >> >> Understanding that this is a common malady with the TR6, I ordered a few >> sets of oversize thrust washers. >> Don't think there is enough material in a .025" oversize bearing to fix >> the problem. >> >> I pulled the bearing cap and didn't see major wear in the thrust face of >> the crank. I will need to do a closer inspection of the block >> >> Anyone out there seen a reasonable/simple fix for this problem? >> >> Thanks in advance >> Glenn Franco >> TR6's, 250 and Spit racer >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lfritz82 at hotmail.com >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with > Hotmail. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID2832 > 6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From gaf3 at charter.net Fri May 7 06:23:18 2010 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 08:23:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan In-Reply-To: <975D167ED75E428991DC03A4B66C8497@BobPC> References: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> <975D167ED75E428991DC03A4B66C8497@BobPC> Message-ID: <4BE40636.6000402@charter.net> Thanks Bob I was not aware of Scot Helms work on these thrust washers. Just visited his site. Looks like a good alternative to the stock arrangement. What surprised me is that this engine only has about 40k miles on it. I also like the idea of a full circle thrust washer that Geoff Bryne has recommended. I need to inspect the area on the block and cap more closely. Glenn Bob Danielson wrote: > Did you order from Scott Helms (http://www.customthrustwashers.com/) > Most of the 6-Pack Forum guys have moved to Scott's solid alloy thrust > washers. Even if you don't buy from him, his site is an excellent > resource on all things "thrust washer" > > Bob > > Bob Danielson > 1975 TR6 CF38503U > Running w/ Throttle Body Injection, > Toyota 5 speed & Nissan LSD > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Glenn Franco" > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:13 PM > To: "Friends of Triumph" ; <6pack at autox.team.net> > Subject: [6pack] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan > >> Group >> I've been working on a friends 74 TR6 and we discovered lots of crank >> end play. >> I checked the end play because he was complaining of hard shifts or >> grinding while putting the trans in reverse. >> I removed the pan and found the thrust washers in the oil pan.. >> I've run into large end play issues with the TR6's but this is the >> first I've seen in the pan. >> >> Understanding that this is a common malady with the TR6, I ordered a >> few sets of oversize thrust washers. >> Don't think there is enough material in a .025" oversize bearing to >> fix the problem. >> >> I pulled the bearing cap and didn't see major wear in the thrust face >> of the crank. I will need to do a closer inspection of the block >> >> Anyone out there seen a reasonable/simple fix for this problem? >> >> Thanks in advance >> Glenn Franco >> TR6's, 250 and Spit racer >> _______________________________________________ >> >> 6pack at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri May 7 08:24:09 2010 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:24:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan References: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> Message-ID: Hey, a better fix is to have the cap machined to accept another thrust washer on the flywheel side. Then have the thrust washer pinned to the cap. This doubles the surface area and is very effective. I've done this to my race motor and have virtually no wear to the thrust washers. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorne Fritz" To: ; ; <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan > This is more common than you think. Iv'e had to repair several. > If your lucky the larger size washers will take care of the end play, but > the > real problem is it usually wears off the tabs on the bottom main bearing > cap > which holds the washers in place. To fix this you can add weld to the cap > and > carefully grind it back to the original shape and or pin the washers with > brass to the block. Of coarse the crank would need to come out to put the > pins > in. Good luck, Lorne >> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 17:13:45 -0400 >> From: gaf3 at charter.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan >> >> Group >> I've been working on a friends 74 TR6 and we discovered lots of crank >> end play. >> I checked the end play because he was complaining of hard shifts or >> grinding while putting the trans in reverse. >> I removed the pan and found the thrust washers in the oil pan.. >> I've run into large end play issues with the TR6's but this is the first >> I've seen in the pan. >> >> Understanding that this is a common malady with the TR6, I ordered a few >> sets of oversize thrust washers. >> Don't think there is enough material in a .025" oversize bearing to fix >> the problem. >> >> I pulled the bearing cap and didn't see major wear in the thrust face of >> the crank. I will need to do a closer inspection of the block >> >> Anyone out there seen a reasonable/simple fix for this problem? >> >> Thanks in advance >> Glenn Franco >> TR6's, 250 and Spit racer >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lfritz82 at hotmail.com >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with > Hotmail. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID2832 > 6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From dlhogye at comcast.net Fri May 7 08:58:43 2010 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 14:58:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR rear brake backing plates needed Message-ID: <270258912.19384851273244323290.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT, Does anyone have an extra set of brake backing plates. I have a TR3 Girling axle housing ready to ship to Southwick, but I don't have the backing plates. I guess that 10 inchers are the way to go. Thanks, Dave H From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Fri May 7 09:20:09 2010 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:20:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan In-Reply-To: <4BE40636.6000402@charter.net> Message-ID: <20100507152009.SZJAR.349680.root@cdptpa-web07-z02> Now that you mention his name it jarred my memory. I installed one of his thrust washers very successfully in a GT6 race motor. Bob ---- Glenn Franco wrote: > Thanks Bob > I was not aware of Scot Helms work on these thrust washers. Just visited > his site. > Looks like a good alternative to the stock arrangement. > > What surprised me is that this engine only has about 40k miles on it. > > I also like the idea of a full circle thrust washer that Geoff Bryne has > recommended. > > I need to inspect the area on the block and cap more closely. > > Glenn > > Bob Danielson wrote: > > Did you order from Scott Helms (http://www.customthrustwashers.com/) > > Most of the 6-Pack Forum guys have moved to Scott's solid alloy thrust > > washers. Even if you don't buy from him, his site is an excellent > > resource on all things "thrust washer" > > > > Bob > > > > Bob Danielson > > 1975 TR6 CF38503U > > Running w/ Throttle Body Injection, > > Toyota 5 speed & Nissan LSD > > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Glenn Franco" > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:13 PM > > To: "Friends of Triumph" ; <6pack at autox.team.net> > > Subject: [6pack] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan > > > >> Group > >> I've been working on a friends 74 TR6 and we discovered lots of crank > >> end play. > >> I checked the end play because he was complaining of hard shifts or > >> grinding while putting the trans in reverse. > >> I removed the pan and found the thrust washers in the oil pan.. > >> I've run into large end play issues with the TR6's but this is the > >> first I've seen in the pan. > >> > >> Understanding that this is a common malady with the TR6, I ordered a > >> few sets of oversize thrust washers. > >> Don't think there is enough material in a .025" oversize bearing to > >> fix the problem. > >> > >> I pulled the bearing cap and didn't see major wear in the thrust face > >> of the crank. I will need to do a closer inspection of the block > >> > >> Anyone out there seen a reasonable/simple fix for this problem? > >> > >> Thanks in advance > >> Glenn Franco > >> TR6's, 250 and Spit racer > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> 6pack at autox.team.net > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri May 7 09:24:11 2010 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX Message-ID: Hi, I wound up having a pretty good day at a New England Region SCCA autocross last weekend. Check out the pix here: http://furball.smugmug.com/Autocross/05-02-2010-NHMS/12091228_RSNH2#859076566 _tD84i particularly pictures 128 and 133. How do you spell TORQUE?? FWIW, I also PAXED #1 or 89 drivers. I have never PAXed an NER/SCCA event, so I was actually stunned when they announced that I'd accomplished that. Far out. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Fri May 7 10:26:54 2010 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:26:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1300 Small Crank inquiry Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A7196A0@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> OK members, one more time does this verify a small crank 1300 engine?? Sellers said this: "FE33292E The bolt on the end of the crank shaft is one and a half inches" Hate to be a PITA but it's 4 hours from home and I have to buy the whole car to get the engine!!!! Thanks for all the help! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 7 10:34:35 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:34:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You got a little wheel lift there. And I thought I was the only one that did that! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX Hi, I wound up having a pretty good day at a New England Region SCCA autocross last weekend. Check out the pix here: http://furball.smugmug.com/Autocross/05-02-2010-NHMS/12091228_RSNH2#85907656 6 _tD84i particularly pictures 128 and 133. How do you spell TORQUE?? FWIW, I also PAXED #1 or 89 drivers. I have never PAXed an NER/SCCA event, so I was actually stunned when they announced that I'd accomplished that. Far out. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri May 7 10:38:02 2010 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 12:38:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very cool, bet that'll get blown up for the wall on the garage. Sure looks like your car has good bite. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: May 7, 2010 11:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX Hi, I wound up having a pretty good day at a New England Region SCCA autocross last weekend. Check out the pix here: http://furball.smugmug.com/Autocross/05-02-2010-NHMS/12091228_RSNH2#85907656 6 _tD84i particularly pictures 128 and 133. How do you spell TORQUE?? FWIW, I also PAXED #1 or 89 drivers. I have never PAXed an NER/SCCA event, so I was actually stunned when they announced that I'd accomplished that. Far out. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri May 7 10:38:30 2010 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:38:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74017028B6@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Very cool pix! I assume someone else will ask, but I'll play the dummy. What the heck does it mean to PAX?? Poobah of the Auto-X?? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 10:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX Hi, I wound up having a pretty good day at a New England Region SCCA autocross last weekend. Check out the pix here: http://furball.smugmug.com/Autocross/05-02-2010-NHMS/12091228_RSNH2#8590 76566 _tD84i particularly pictures 128 and 133. How do you spell TORQUE?? FWIW, I also PAXED #1 or 89 drivers. I have never PAXed an NER/SCCA event, so I was actually stunned when they announced that I'd accomplished that. Far out. rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 7 11:14:40 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 10:14:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 1300 Small Crank inquiry In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A7196A0@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A7196A0@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: Yes, it is a late Mk3 engine. Lower compression than the FD series but with preparation will deliver everything that the FD is capable of. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 9:27 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] 1300 Small Crank inquiry OK members, one more time does this verify a small crank 1300 engine?? Sellers said this: "FE33292E The bolt on the end of the crank shaft is one and a half inches" Hate to be a PITA but it's 4 hours from home and I have to buy the whole car to get the engine!!!! Thanks for all the help! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From mark at bradakis.com Fri May 7 11:24:53 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 11:24:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan In-Reply-To: <4BE40636.6000402@charter.net> References: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> <975D167ED75E428991DC03A4B66C8497@BobPC> <4BE40636.6000402@charter.net> Message-ID: <4BE44CE5.7060605@bradakis.com> > What surprised me is that this engine only has about 40k miles on it. Wonder if someone was riding the clutch a bit, using it for a dead pedal? > > I also like the idea of a full circle thrust washer that Geoff Bryne > has recommended. > I put full circle washers in Killer, put in 7 race seasons on the same washers. mjb. From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 7 11:30:31 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 10:30:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74017028B6@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74017028B6@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <9F9BFC80206142F1BC4F52100410356E@joepentiumnew> PAX is the SCCA's answer to handicapping cars in order to try to put everything on an even keel. It is based on the times put in at national events and therefore is much better for the stock classes than the prepared and modified classes where there are much greater differences in the performance in local competitions and National contests. So after the PAX multiplier is applied, you are at the top of the sheet, you have done well. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 9:39 AM To: Robert M. Lang; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Kool PIX Very cool pix! I assume someone else will ask, but I'll play the dummy. What the heck does it mean to PAX?? Poobah of the Auto-X?? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 10:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX Hi, I wound up having a pretty good day at a New England Region SCCA autocross last weekend. Check out the pix here: http://furball.smugmug.com/Autocross/05-02-2010-NHMS/12091228_RSNH2#8590 76566 _tD84i particularly pictures 128 and 133. How do you spell TORQUE?? FWIW, I also PAXED #1 or 89 drivers. I have never PAXed an NER/SCCA event, so I was actually stunned when they announced that I'd accomplished that. Far out. rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From gaf3 at charter.net Fri May 7 12:14:24 2010 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 14:14:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1300 Small Crank inquiry In-Reply-To: References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A7196A0@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <4BE45880.30504@charter.net> Just curious, what's the going rate for a good used small crank FE engine? I have two sitting in my barn that I have not rebuilt yet. Glenn > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 9:27 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] 1300 Small Crank inquiry > > OK members, one more time does this verify a small crank 1300 engine?? > > Sellers said this: > "FE33292E The bolt on the end of the crank shaft is one and a half > inches" > > Hate to be a PITA but it's 4 hours from home and I have to buy the whole > car to get the engine!!!! > > Thanks for all the help! > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From tpettenati at yahoo.com Fri May 7 12:32:43 2010 From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Brutes & Beauts Vintage Car Autocross and Car Gathering - Santa Clara CA USA Message-ID: <683404.80244.qm@web180301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Fot, Of interest to those in the SF bay area. Sponsored by the Triumph Travelers. All makes and models 25 years old and older. May 8th. http://www.triumphtravelers.org/Events/autocross/autocrossinfo.php I plan to take the Spit out for it's maiden voyage & shake down run. Stop by and say Hi if you are in the area. Cheers, Tim Pettenati 65 Spit #44 White From walt at hot-tr6.com Fri May 7 13:21:09 2010 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 13:21:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ZR1 sale Message-ID: <20100507192001.63D7718788C@autox.team.net> I'm not here argue the plusses or minuses of any particular oil. Some of us use of Valvoline VR1 (I do in my TR6 racecar) because it is supposed to have some zinc in it that helps cam lobes and lifters last longer. Anyway, if you have an Autozone parts store in your area they are having a 50% off sale on ZR1 at this time. Keep the hammer down. Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 102927 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From BillDentin at aol.com Fri May 7 13:39:27 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:39:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kool PIX Message-ID: <29c23.18c6c910.3915c66f@aol.com> In a message dated 05/07/2010 1:24:53 PM Central Daylight Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: > PAX is the SCCA's answer to handicapping cars in order to try to put > everything on an even keel. It is based on the times put in at national > events and therefore is much better for the stock classes than the > prepared > and modified classes where there are much greater differences in the > performance in local competitions and National contests. > It's been a while since I was an altar boy, but back then "Pax" was Latin or Greek for "Peace". Maybe I'd better call the SCCA alert them. I don't think they can handle peace. It may be a concept they're unfamiliar with. Pax vobiscum! Bill (Damdinger) SCCA #120201 PS I know that's a long SCCA membership number for an old guy like me, but I didn't join the SCCA until the mid-1980s. I'll bet Kas will tell me his SCCA member number only has two digits. Could be. From ofbracing at nefcom.net Fri May 7 15:04:05 2010 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (ofbracing) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 17:04:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ZR1 sale In-Reply-To: <20100507192001.63D7718788C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the tip. I use VR1 and just got back from my local Autozone with 18 quarts of 20w50 for $2.06 each. Apparently 12 is the limit so they just rang up the other 6 separately. Supposedly they'll get more tomorrow so I'll go back again. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Walter Hollowell Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 3:21 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] ZR1 sale I'm not here argue the plusses or minuses of any particular oil. Some of us use of Valvoline VR1 (I do in my TR6 racecar) because it is supposed to have some zinc in it that helps cam lobes and lifters last longer. Anyway, if you have an Autozone parts store in your area they are having a 50% off sale on ZR1 at this time. Keep the hammer down. Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 102927 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofbracing at nefcom.net From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri May 7 15:56:13 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 14:56:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ZR1 sale In-Reply-To: <20100507192001.63D7718788C@autox.team.net> References: <20100507192001.63D7718788C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Are you kidding me? I just bought 2 cases yesterday for 5.30 a qt! I got ripped off. ~Steve On May 7, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Walter Hollowell wrote: I'm not here argue the plusses or minuses of any particular oil. Some of us use of Valvoline VR1 (I do in my TR6 racecar) because it is supposed to have some zinc in it that helps cam lobes and lifters last longer. Anyway, if you have an Autozone parts store in your area they are having a 50% off sale on ZR1 at this time. Keep the hammer down. Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 102927 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From fogbro1 at comcast.net Fri May 7 16:31:23 2010 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 18:31:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jumping out of 2nd gear Message-ID: <23BE2635563947DF816DEDE07CBC2E84@Edscomputer> Lists, TR, all synchro gearbox was jumping out of 2nd gear on deceleration. Usual suspects like broken 2nd speed bush, incorrect bushing clearances, selector shaft springs did not cure the problem. What did cure the problem was the replacement of the 1/2 sliding hub and 2nd gear with a different used set. Replacing those two parts was the only change I made and the gearbox works perfectly, no longer jumping out of gear on deceleration. Under a magnifying glass, I can see no appreciable difference between the offending parts and other sets I have on hand. So, my question to the lists is: how can you tell whether a particular hub/gear set will cause such a problem BEFORE they're installed? What differentiates a set with normal wear that is useable from a set that is not? What's the test? Ed Woods From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri May 7 20:08:53 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 21:08:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ZR1 sale References: <20100507192001.63D7718788C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2A162D63FCDC4ADE98CA40466423AEB0@latitudefb1e41> Thanks Walt. I just stocked up. The local price is $4.29 a quart so I hit 2 Autozones. One guy said that he thought they were discontinuing it and that nobody buys it. The other guy said it was just a regular monthly flyer special to get people in the door. I got in and out and saved $56.00. With 3 TR's on the road and track I'll use it up. Again, thanks for sharing this info. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Hollowell" To: Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 2:21 PM Subject: [Fot] ZR1 sale > I'm not here argue the plusses or minuses of any particular oil. Some of > us > use of Valvoline VR1 (I do in my TR6 racecar) because it is supposed to > have > some zinc in it that helps cam lobes and lifters last longer. Anyway, if > you > have an Autozone parts store in your area they are having a 50% off sale > on > ZR1 at this time. > Keep the hammer down. > Walt Hollowell > Albuquerque, NM > > _____ > > I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter > > . > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 102927 of my spam emails to date. > The Professional version does not have this message. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat May 8 11:49:00 2010 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 13:49:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] PAX In-Reply-To: <9F9BFC80206142F1BC4F52100410356E@joepentiumnew> References: , <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74017028B6@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>, <9F9BFC80206142F1BC4F52100410356E@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: I have always sucked in PAX. Being that my car was at the lower end of preparation in PREPARED class I am always at the bottom of the list. Of course it doesnt hurt being a good driver like Bob is either:) Marty > From: spitlist at cox.net > To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com; lang at isis.mit.edu; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 10:30:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kool PIX > > PAX is the SCCA's answer to handicapping cars in order to try to put > everything on an even keel. It is based on the times put in at national > events and therefore is much better for the stock classes than the prepared > and modified classes where there are much greater differences in the > performance in local competitions and National contests. > > So after the PAX multiplier is applied, you are at the top of the sheet, you > have done well. > > Joe C. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From cartravel at pobox.com Sat May 8 15:22:28 2010 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 16:22:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jumping out of 2nd gear In-Reply-To: <23BE2635563947DF816DEDE07CBC2E84@Edscomputer> References: <23BE2635563947DF816DEDE07CBC2E84@Edscomputer> Message-ID: <4BE5D614.1020504@pobox.com> Ed, What are you calling a 1/2 sliding hub? Is that the synchro hub between 2nd and 1st? My article at vtr.org - www.vtr.org/maintain/TransRebuild/TRTrans02.pdf. describes a problem that might be similar. In one transmission, we replaced the springs and balls in the synchro hubs and that fixed the problem. The manuals explain how to check the synchro hubs and that is what I do now. Larry Ed Woods wrote: > Lists, > > 1/2 sliding hub and 2nd gear From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Sat May 8 15:42:39 2010 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 16:42:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Valvoline VR1 NSL racing oil Message-ID: <13D3A7A9637748CE8F733E6ADA45B6F4@bkolnzPC> I know all you guys know this,, but as a reminder, Valvoline offers a VR1 "Not street legal" racing oil. (conventional, and full syn.) It has no detergent package, but tons of Z and Phos. to lub our Spitfire engines properly. It's only good for 500 miles, which is perfect for a week-end event, and I send a sample off to Blackstone for a read. $4.00 a qt. at Napa.. They will order if not in stock. Bill '72 spit Blue #8 From mdhado at comcast.net Sat May 8 16:23:17 2010 From: mdhado at comcast.net (M&M Hado) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 17:23:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Temperature Sensor In-Reply-To: <2A162D63FCDC4ADE98CA40466423AEB0@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: Does anyone have a resistance vs. temperature curve for the stock TR4 temp sensor? Even some specific values at common temps such as 80, 180, 212, etc. would help. Thanks, Mike From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun May 9 20:15:08 2010 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 21:15:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rear Springs Message-ID: FoT, I have a pair of rear springs for a TR6 that someone may be interested in before I put them on ebay. They are competition springs with the following specs: 9-7/8" free length 4" diameter 575# spring rate - last measured in 2003 last used in 2007 In excellent condition Please contact me off line if interested. Thanks, Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From budscars at comcast.net Mon May 10 14:32:33 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:32:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: short bus YOU ARE NOT CROSSEYED Message-ID: YOU ARE NOT CROSSEYED.........This is a FOR REAL VW BUS that was at the Lemons Race at Thunderhill last weekend...and...The Speakers were BLASTING what sounded like a mixture of Reggae and Latino Beat as it drove around the pits...At the wheel in this photo is DAN 'THE BOSS' RADOWICZ Racer Bud D.R.Rad & Rad B. at LeMons Thunderhill. Everyone needs one of these to drive. Makes a Smart car look pedestrian. It not only does "wheelies", it does "stoppies"! drr --- On Mon, 5/10/10, Nick Pon wrote: From: Nick Pon Subject: short bus To: "Daniel Radowicz" Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 1:03 PM [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_5815.jpg] From Group44TR7 at aol.com Tue May 11 09:26:05 2010 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:26:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] Huffaker paneled TR7 street car Message-ID: <8cf22.3020cc8c.391ad10d@aol.com> Hi All A number of years ago I found and purchased a TR7 with fiberglass rear and front fenders along with a fiber glass from panel. After some research, I found that the panels on the car were from purchased those used on the Huffaker TR8s. Apparently at one point, there was a small company that has subsequently gone out of business that sold kits for the TR7s and TR8s street cars. I have confirmed with Huffaker that the fender panels on the car were from the TR8 race car molds. Exactly how many of these kits were ever sold, I do not know, but apparently there were not very many according to Huffaker. Having conceded to that this is a project which I can not realistically complete, I looking to sell it to someone who has an interest in doing so. If your interested, please send me a return email. From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue May 11 10:02:57 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:02:57 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR4 in The Vintage Triumph Message-ID: <20100511.120257.28480.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> In the February 2010 TVT there is an article from Cindy Adams - The Story of Four Triumphs. Turns out the white # 47 TR4 (pictured in the article) that John Adams and Harvey Thompson raced is sitting in my garage waiting for me to get it back on the track. It is still white, but is sporting some flared steel fenders and will eventually have fiberglass ones as an EP SCCA car. Anyway, does anyone know how to contact Cindy or John to see if they have any more history for the car? Apparently it was converted to a race car soon after leaving the dealership. I bought it from the 2nd owner since them and have that later history. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4be97ffe88c438585st02duc From harmug at us.ibm.com Tue May 11 10:46:26 2010 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:46:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] List Nominee Message-ID: Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our brains. Do I hear a second? thanks mike h G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue May 11 11:03:36 2010 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 in The Vintage Triumph In-Reply-To: <20100511.120257.28480.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> References: <20100511.120257.28480.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <274406.27986.qm@web80801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If Mike Cook isn't on this list, you might try contacting him at the address in the TVT. mcook at vtr.org ----- Original Message ---- From: Joe Boruch To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 12:02:57 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 in The Vintage Triumph In the February 2010 TVT there is an article from Cindy Adams - The Story of Four Triumphs. Turns out the white # 47 TR4 (pictured in the article) that John Adams and Harvey Thompson raced is sitting in my garage waiting for me to get it back on the track. It is still white, but is sporting some flared steel fenders and will eventually have fiberglass ones as an EP SCCA car. Anyway, does anyone know how to contact Cindy or John to see if they have any more history for the car? Apparently it was converted to a race car soon after leaving the dealership. I bought it from the 2nd owner since them and have that later history. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4be97ffe88c438585st02duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From fasttrs at yahoo.com Tue May 11 11:43:23 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] List Nominee Message-ID: <960106.35412.qm@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Second! Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2010, at 11:46 AM, George Harmuth wrote: Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our brains. Do I hear a second? thanks mike h G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 11 11:49:20 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:49:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] List Nominee In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't think we have a Joe D. yet. So in our quest to have every letter in the alphabet represented by Joes, I second! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Harmuth Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:46 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: jhd11 at hotmail.com Subject: [Fot] List Nominee Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our brains. Do I hear a second? thanks mike h G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue May 11 12:02:53 2010 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:02:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] List Nominee References: Message-ID: I'd 2nd a fellow TRsixer. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: [Fot] List Nominee > Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. > Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our brains. > Do I hear a second? > > thanks > mike h > > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From seaCubeCo at aol.com Tue May 11 12:15:23 2010 From: seaCubeCo at aol.com (Seacubeco) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:15:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] List Nominee In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D6D41A6-C5CA-41EC-A07C-93CEB02DAA88@aol.com> I have no problems with the addition. What is Chumpcar racing? Chris Sent from my IPhone On May 11, 2010, at 12:46 PM, George Harmuth wrote: > Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. > Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our > brains. > Do I hear a second? > > thanks > mike h > > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From triosan at gmail.com Tue May 11 12:21:25 2010 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:21:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Can some measure a front shock for me? Message-ID: I need to know the outside diameter of a Koni Classic front shock for a TR [6 in my case]. Need the non-moving part of the shock diameter -- am building spring spacers for my 2.5" interior diameter springs. -- Chuck Arnold From harmug at us.ibm.com Tue May 11 12:28:01 2010 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:28:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] List Nominee In-Reply-To: <9D6D41A6-C5CA-41EC-A07C-93CEB02DAA88@aol.com> Message-ID: Chumpcar is a form of Auto abuse, in both senses. http://www.chumpcar.com/ mike G. Michael Harmuth Seacubeco To George Harmuth/Fishkill/IBM at IBMUS 05/11/2010 02:15 cc PM "fot at autox.team.net" , "jhd11 at hotmail.com" Subject Re: [Fot] List Nominee I have no problems with the addition. What is Chumpcar racing? Chris Sent from my IPhone On May 11, 2010, at 12:46 PM, George Harmuth wrote: > Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. > Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our > brains. > Do I hear a second? > > thanks > mike h > > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From LimeyV8 at aol.com Tue May 11 12:57:30 2010 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:57:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] List Nominee Message-ID: <13d18.40e5db13.391b029a@aol.com> In a message dated 5/11/2010 1:31:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, harmug at us.ibm.com writes: Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our brains. Do I hear a second? another 2nd and a hearty welcome to my Riff RAF Racing team mate Joe Downer! visit our team blog and follow our progress (or lack thereof) here: _http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/_ (http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/) Cheers, Jack McGahey From LimeyV8 at aol.com Tue May 11 13:04:57 2010 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:04:57 EDT Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee Message-ID: <14759.2965a0d6.391b0459@aol.com> I'd like to nominate Jamie Palmer, founder, team captain, and spiritual leader of Riff RAF Racing, for FOT list membership. Jamie's email address is _tr6driver at yahoo.com_ (mailto:tr6driver at yahoo.com) _http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/_ (http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/) can I get a 2nd? Thanks, Jack McGahey From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue May 11 13:14:08 2010 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:14:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] List Nominee Message-ID: <380-22010521119148316@M2W137.mail2web.com> It's like LeMons, but a little more race oriented (but still with the $500 limit on the car). I believe they do the full 24 hours while I'm not sure LeMons does. Here's their website: http://www.chumpcar.com/ Keep Triumphing, Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: Seacubeco seaCubeCo at aol.com Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:15:23 -0400 To: harmug at us.ibm.com, jhd11 at hotmail.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] List Nominee I have no problems with the addition. What is Chumpcar racing? Chris Sent from my IPhone On May 11, 2010, at 12:46 PM, George Harmuth wrote: > Hello I'd like to nominate Joe Downer to the list. > Joe is building a TR6 to go Chumpcar racing and wants to pick our > brains. > Do I hear a second? > > thanks > mike h > > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From fasttrs at yahoo.com Tue May 11 13:55:07 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee Message-ID: <702135.61679.qm@web46112.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> 2nd! Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2010, at 2:04 PM, LimeyV8 at aol.com wrote: I'd like to nominate Jamie Palmer, founder, team captain, and spiritual leader of Riff RAF Racing, for FOT list membership. Jamie's email address is _tr6driver at yahoo.com_ (mailto:tr6driver at yahoo.com) _http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/_ (http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/) can I get a 2nd? Thanks, Jack McGahey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From adams910 at gmail.com Tue May 11 14:11:47 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:11:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 and trailer stolen - Kansas City, Kansas area Message-ID: Saw this on the prod forum... http://prodracing.com/prodcar/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11553 Bob Adams From herald948 at aol.com Tue May 11 14:15:31 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:15:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee In-Reply-To: <14759.2965a0d6.391b0459@aol.com> References: <14759.2965a0d6.391b0459@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CCBF5DD6DF71AA-13A4-2647@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> With pleasure, Jack! I mean, I've seen actual video of Jamie autocrossing a Standard Vanguard Sportsman with no small degree of spirit! How cool is THAT? ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: LimeyV8 at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: tr6driver at yahoo.com Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 3:04 pm Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee I'd like to nominate Jamie Palmer, founder, team captain, and spiritual leader of Riff RAF Racing, for FOT list membership. Jamie's email address is _tr6driver at yahoo.com_ (mailto:tr6driver at yahoo.com) From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue May 11 14:35:50 2010 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:35:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] )Re: another RiffRAF FOT list nominee References: <14759.2965a0d6.391b0459@aol.com> Message-ID: <006101caf149$8bb37120$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> I'll second! With a team name like that, they can't lose. Bill Tobin Erie, PA (It snowed Sunday AM!) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:04 PM Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee > I'd like to nominate Jamie Palmer, founder, team captain, and spiritual > leader of Riff RAF Racing, for FOT list membership. > Jamie's email address is _tr6driver at yahoo.com_ > (mailto:tr6driver at yahoo.com) > > _http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/_ (http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/) > > can I get a 2nd? > > Thanks, > Jack McGahey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin3 at verizon.net From LimeyV8 at aol.com Tue May 11 14:40:49 2010 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:40:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee Message-ID: In a message dated 5/11/2010 4:15:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: With pleasure, Jack! I mean, I've seen actual video of Jamie autocrossing a Standard Vanguard Sportsman with no small degree of spirit! How cool is THAT? ;-) --Andy Mace you should have been there - I was - and, in my TR8, I was only 5 seconds faster than Jamie in a Standard Vangaurd. Cheers, Jack Mc From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue May 11 14:47:03 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:47:03 GMT Subject: [Fot] List Nominee Message-ID: <20100511.164703.15050.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Looks like the rules say that the car must be "valued" at under $500, not including safety gear. This is not what you paid for the car, so how do you value a car like a TR6. It would have to be a pretty sad TR6 to be valued at under $500. Not sure there would be enough of a frame to attach a cage onto??? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "spitfiresuz at 141.com" To: seacubeco at aol.com, harmug at us.ibm.com, jhd11 at hotmail.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] List Nominee Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:14:08 -0400 It's like LeMons, but a little more race oriented (but still with the $500 limit on the car). I believe they do the full 24 hours while I'm not sure LeMons does. Here's their website: http://www.chumpcar.com/ Keep Triumphing, Susan :) ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4be9c264f1bec41a5a4st05duc From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue May 11 18:40:35 2010 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:40:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Can some measure a front shock for me? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BE9F903.4040701@blacksburg.net> On 5/11/2010 2:21 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > I need to know the outside diameter of a Koni Classic front shock for a TR > [6 in my case]. Need the non-moving part of the shock diameter -- am > building spring spacers for my 2.5" interior diameter springs. > > Chuck, the range of three measurements was 1.632 - 1.640 (kinda fiddly getting the calipers 'tween the springs). jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From LimeyV8 at aol.com Tue May 11 18:48:17 2010 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:48:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Chump car - was List Nominee Message-ID: In a message dated 5/11/2010 5:45:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jaboruch at netzero.net writes: Looks like the rules say that the car must be "valued" at under $500, not including safety gear. This is not what you paid for the car, so how do you value a car like a TR6. It would have to be a pretty sad TR6 to be valued at under $500. Not sure there would be enough of a frame to attach a cage onto??? Joe(B) We paid $600 for our TR6 and sold enough parts off to get the "value" down around zero. And yes it is a pretty sad TR6 - but perfect for this purpose, because it runs good and is cosmetically terrible - i believe the boot lid is the only part of the car that has never suffered collision damage - and it is rusty. There was significant frame and sill rust, but the suspension attachment points were strong - Our cage attaches as far back as the diff mount cross rail and frame rails on each side of the spare tire well and attaches as far forward as the spring/strut towers - so most of the frame and sills are now structurally irrelevant. see pictures at _http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/_ (http://riffrafracing.blogspot.com/) Chump and Lemons definition of safety equipment is pretty liberal and some other items like tires and brakes are not subject to the spending limit - generally the $500 is just the tip of the iceberg - racing is expensive - even when its cheap! Cheers, Jack Mc From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue May 11 20:50:50 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 21:50:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] List Nominee References: <20100511.164703.15050.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <90E27796B3AA44AD91C69D8513D6D9BB@latitudefb1e41> This qualifies, the HCTC Lemon's TR6. Paid $200 for it. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] List Nominee > Looks like the rules say that the car must be "valued" at under $500, not > including safety gear. This is not what you paid for the car, so how do > you > value a car like a TR6. It would have to be a pretty sad TR6 to be valued > at > under $500. Not sure there would be enough of a frame to attach a cage > onto??? > Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "spitfiresuz at 141.com" > To: seacubeco at aol.com, harmug at us.ibm.com, jhd11 at hotmail.com, > fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] List Nominee > Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:14:08 -0400 > > It's like LeMons, but a little more race oriented (but still with the $500 > limit on the car). I believe they do the full 24 hours while I'm not sure > LeMons does. Here's their website: http://www.chumpcar.com/ > > Keep Triumphing, > Susan :) > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Penny Stock Jumping 2000% > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4be9c264f1bec41a5a4st05duc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of TR6 Lemon racercar 005.jpg] From herald948 at aol.com Tue May 11 20:52:44 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 22:52:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCBF9554F619F0-A30-7122@webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: LimeyV8 at aol.com you should have been there - I was - and, in my TR8, I was only 5 seconds faster than Jamie in a Standard Vangaurd. ==AM== I've seen Jamie autocross in the past; he's pretty darned good at it. Besides, it was a Vanguard *Sportsman* -- practically a five- (or maybe even six-) seater TR3! :-) --Andy Mace From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed May 12 06:16:52 2010 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 08:16:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] commercial message Message-ID: <4BEA9C34.4040006@bright.net> Carlisle commercial -- last call. We will be at Import Carlisle Thursday through Saturday. Spaces E63 and E64. If you need something that we normally do not take to this event, engines, gearboxes or other heavy items, please lt us know. Save shipping. Also for sale is the canopy listed below. Ideal for the "famous"Carlisle weather. Thanks for your time. Ted $For Sale -- new 10' x 20' free standing canopy. This is a post and frame unit, not a folding "Easy Up" style canopy. We needed a spare for the Sebring 12 hour race. Used one time. We did not even use the top but rather a pullover large vinyl tarp. Posts come apart for transport. There are no side walls. These are available from several sources.. 100 -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 12 06:36:52 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 14:36:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Exploded muffler In-Reply-To: <4BEA9C34.4040006@bright.net> References: <4BEA9C34.4040006@bright.net> Message-ID: <001601caf1cf$cde93ee0$69bbbca0$@com> Hi guys, I would like to know if you have any experience with exploded mufflers from running the engine at full throttle. Is that a common problem with race cars, or just bad luck if this happens? Cheers Chris From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Wed May 12 07:10:43 2010 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 23:10:43 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Exploded muffler In-Reply-To: <001601caf1cf$cde93ee0$69bbbca0$@com> References: <4BEA9C34.4040006@bright.net> <001601caf1cf$cde93ee0$69bbbca0$@com> Message-ID: Bad Muffler ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:36 PM Subject: [Fot] Exploded muffler > Hi guys, > > I would like to know if you have any experience with exploded mufflers > from > running the engine at full throttle. > Is that a common problem with race cars, or just bad luck if this happens? > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 12 07:20:47 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 15:20:47 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Exploded muffler In-Reply-To: References: <4BEA9C34.4040006@bright.net> <001601caf1cf$cde93ee0$69bbbca0$@com> Message-ID: <001a01caf1d5$f09ed6b0$d1dc8410$@com> It was a Phoenix muffler. I suppose them to be of good quality. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Geoff Byrne [mailto:gkbyrne at optushome.com.au] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Mai 2010 15:11 An: MadMarx; 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Exploded muffler Bad Muffler ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:36 PM Subject: [Fot] Exploded muffler > Hi guys, > > I would like to know if you have any experience with exploded mufflers > from > running the engine at full throttle. > Is that a common problem with race cars, or just bad luck if this happens? > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed May 12 07:24:45 2010 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 9:24:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Front bumper to frame bracket Message-ID: <20100512132445.QXP4S.53052.root@cdptpa-web14-z01> All, Any one have a set to sell, TR3 front bumper to frame brackets....straight as possible? thxx, Bob From cwnfot at gmail.com Wed May 12 07:45:13 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:45:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit rear brakes In-Reply-To: <100717.68316.qm@web180312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <100717.68316.qm@web180312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005a01caf1d9$5998e4f0$0ccaaed0$@com> Some folks have the notion that air in the brake lines will come out the bottom of the cylilnder. A friend restored a Camaro and put the left caliper on the right side and the right on the left because he thought the bleeder should be on the bottom. Duh. That doesn't work. Best put the backing plates where they belong. Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 12 07:51:54 2010 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] another RiffRAF FOT list nominee In-Reply-To: <14759.2965a0d6.391b0459@aol.com> References: <14759.2965a0d6.391b0459@aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 May 2010 LimeyV8 at aol.com wrote: > I'd like to nominate Jamie Palmer, founder, team captain, and spiritual > leader of Riff RAF Racing, for FOT list membership. > Jamie's email address is _tr6driver at yahoo.com_ > (mailto:tr6driver at yahoo.com) Wow - Jamie Palmer isn't an FOT?? Although late, consider this second. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2010 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed May 12 08:11:22 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 07:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 and trailer stolen - Kansas City, Kansas area In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <466528.11077.qm@web46113.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thats too bad, I hope they find it. I raced with Harvey a few years back in Memphis, he is a nice guy. I have a Doberman, a tongue lock and a logging chain running through the wheels on my trailer. I can only hope that will deter anyone from taking mine. Mike Saw this on the prod forum... http://prodracing.com/prodcar/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11553 Bob Adams http://www.fot-racing.com From tpettenati at yahoo.com Wed May 12 10:06:14 2010 From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spit rear brakes In-Reply-To: <005a01caf1d9$5998e4f0$0ccaaed0$@com> References: <100717.68316.qm@web180312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <005a01caf1d9$5998e4f0$0ccaaed0$@com> Message-ID: <868675.42036.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Last night I returned the backing plates to the correct orientation, with the wheel cylinders at the top. Easier job than I thought. Bleed the brakes again and all is well. Thanks for the advise. Tim Pettenati ________________________________ From: Clark W. Nicholls To: Tim Pettenati ; FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 6:45:13 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] Spit rear brakes Some folks have the notion that air in the brake lines will come out the bottom of the cylilnder. A friend restored a Camaro and put the left caliper on the right side and the right on the left because he thought the bleeder should be on the bottom. Duh. That doesn't work. Best put the backing plates where they belong. Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed May 12 10:41:16 2010 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:41:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel Message-ID: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: I have what I think is a stock steering wheel in my street TR6. It is a six bolt pattern and measures 14" in diameter. Problem - there is not enough room in the foot box so I have to angle my knees to the sides when I'm seated but my knees still contact the steering wheel. I've been looking for smaller steering wheel (approx. 13" diameter) in the usual Brit parts catalogs but have not found one. I don't need an expensive, wood grain Nardi or Momo model but would prefer a moderately priced version, even one from a non-automotive supplier I could adapt to this application. Any suggestions? Gary 1969 TR6 From spitlist at cox.net Wed May 12 11:20:20 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:20:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel In-Reply-To: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48020C0AA9CA4E9BAC7770CF8132AA69@joepentiumnew> I have a 13" Grant Wheel in my Black Spit. But because I am not all that enthusiastic about the horn circuit that is used in that wheel, I adapted a 3-spoke Grant wheel to the hub from a MkIV/early 1500 wheel (which is like your TR6 wheel). I had to do some cutting but it is secure and the rubber horn surround piece covers up all the ragged metal. It has a very large grip which I hand stitched leather onto for an attractive appearance. I did the same thing for my son's Mk2 Spit using a different brand of 3-spoke 13" wheel. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:41 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel Hello: I have what I think is a stock steering wheel in my street TR6. It is a six bolt pattern and measures 14" in diameter. Problem - there is not enough room in the foot box so I have to angle my knees to the sides when I'm seated but my knees still contact the steering wheel. I've been looking for smaller steering wheel (approx. 13" diameter) in the usual Brit parts catalogs but have not found one. I don't need an expensive, wood grain Nardi or Momo model but would prefer a moderately priced version, even one from a non-automotive supplier I could adapt to this application. Any suggestions? Gary 1969 TR6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From seaCubeCo at aol.com Wed May 12 11:48:10 2010 From: seaCubeCo at aol.com (Seacubeco) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:48:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit rear brakes In-Reply-To: <868675.42036.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <100717.68316.qm@web180312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <005a01caf1d9$5998e4f0$0ccaaed0$@com> <868675.42036.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FED1B19-D015-4C88-B832-5E629A6360D8@aol.com> But if you vaccum bleed them you want the bleed screws on the bottom. Attach a piece of hose to the bleed screw that is cracked open. Put the other end in a can of fluid. Hook a vaccum to the master cylinder and there you go. Works best on a completly dry empty system. I personally will NEVER do this. But I am sure someone will or has tried Chris Sent from my IPhone On May 12, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Tim Pettenati wrote: > Last night I returned the backing plates to the correct orientation, > with the > wheel cylinders at the top. Easier job than I thought. Bleed the > brakes again > and all is well. > > Thanks for the advise. > > Tim Pettenati > > > ________________________________ > From: Clark W. Nicholls > To: Tim Pettenati ; FoT Triumph > > Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 6:45:13 AM > Subject: RE: [Fot] Spit rear brakes > > Some > folks have the notion that air in the brake lines will come out the > bottom of > the cylilnder. > A friend restored a Camaro and put the left caliper on the > right side and > the right on the left because he thought the bleeder should be > on the > bottom. > Duh. > That doesn't work. > Best put the backing plates where they > belong. > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 > needing restoration) > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 12 11:54:40 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:54:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel In-Reply-To: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CCC01354401A9F-748-14E7@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com> Gary The JOHN DEERE LAWN & GARDEN TRACTORS have one that is about 13". They are very nice and Mr. Kramer says that our employee cost is about $16.00. It has a splined hub but will it fit? It WOULD be fun to find out. I owe you a call, dont I? Joe -----Original Message----- From: Gary Horstkorta To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:41 am Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel Hello: I have what I think is a stock steering wheel in my street TR6. It is a six olt pattern and measures 14" in diameter. Problem - there is not enough oom in the foot box so I have to angle my knees to the sides when I'm eated but my knees still contact the steering wheel. I've been looking for maller steering wheel (approx. 13" diameter) in the usual Brit parts atalogs but have not found one. I don't need an expensive, wood grain ardi or Momo model but would prefer a moderately priced version, even one rom a non-automotive supplier I could adapt to this application. Any uggestions? Gary 1969 TR6 ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 12 12:22:36 2010 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:22:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel In-Reply-To: <8CCC01354401A9F-748-14E7@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com> References: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> <8CCC01354401A9F-748-14E7@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: As a construction dealership I think we can get the parts, but a PN would help. Even though we can get some other Deere part, our parts system is limited to the big iron. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell It's not what you've got, it's what you use that makes a difference. Zig Ziglar -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:55 PM To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering wheel Gary The JOHN DEERE LAWN & GARDEN TRACTORS have one that is about 13". They are very nice and Mr. Kramer says that our employee cost is about $16.00. It has a splined hub but will it fit? It WOULD be fun to find out. I owe you a call, dont I? Joe -----Original Message----- From: Gary Horstkorta To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:41 am Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel Hello: I have what I think is a stock steering wheel in my street TR6. It is a six olt pattern and measures 14" in diameter. Problem - there is not enough oom in the foot box so I have to angle my knees to the sides when I'm eated but my knees still contact the steering wheel. I've been looking for maller steering wheel (approx. 13" diameter) in the usual Brit parts atalogs but have not found one. I don't need an expensive, wood grain ardi or Momo model but would prefer a moderately priced version, even one rom a non-automotive supplier I could adapt to this application. Any uggestions? Gary 1969 TR6 ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com From tr6driver at yahoo.com Wed May 12 13:36:06 2010 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 12:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel In-Reply-To: References: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> <8CCC01354401A9F-748-14E7@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <569428.93258.qm@web52507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> M142218 is current x300 steering wheel, M142219 is the cover. And thank you for nominating me and accepting me into FOT today! Jamie Palmer ________________________________ From: "Kramer, Robert" To: "n197tr4 at cs.com" ; "vintage.racer at comcast.net" ; "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 2:22:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering wheel As a construction dealership I think we can get the parts, but a PN would help. Even though we can get some other Deere part, our parts system is limited to the big iron. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell It's not what you've got, it's what you use that makes a difference. Zig Ziglar -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:55 PM To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering wheel Gary The JOHN DEERE LAWN & GARDEN TRACTORS have one that is about 13". They are very nice and Mr. Kramer says that our employee cost is about $16.00. It has a splined hub but will it fit? It WOULD be fun to find out. I owe you a call, dont I? Joe -----Original Message----- From: Gary Horstkorta To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:41 am Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel Hello: I have what I think is a stock steering wheel in my street TR6. It is a six olt pattern and measures 14" in diameter. Problem - there is not enough oom in the foot box so I have to angle my knees to the sides when I'm eated but my knees still contact the steering wheel. I've been looking for maller steering wheel (approx. 13" diameter) in the usual Brit parts atalogs but have not found one. I don't need an expensive, wood grain ardi or Momo model but would prefer a moderately priced version, even one rom a non-automotive supplier I could adapt to this application. Any uggestions? Gary 1969 TR6 ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 12 13:43:51 2010 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 14:43:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel In-Reply-To: <569428.93258.qm@web52507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <004c01caf1f1$f17576e0$d46064a0$@racer@comcast.net> <8CCC01354401A9F-748-14E7@webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com> <569428.93258.qm@web52507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: FWIW: M142218 retails for $50.84 and M142219 for $10.16. My employee purchase cost is right at $40.00. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell It's not what you've got, it's what you use that makes a difference. Zig Ziglar ________________________________ From: Jamie Palmer [mailto:tr6driver at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:36 PM To: Kramer, Robert Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering wheel M142218 is current x300 steering wheel, M142219 is the cover. And thank you for nominating me and accepting me into FOT today! Jamie Palmer ________________________________ From: "Kramer, Robert" To: "n197tr4 at cs.com" ; "vintage.racer at comcast.net" ; "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 2:22:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering wheel As a construction dealership I think we can get the parts, but a PN would help. Even though we can get some other Deere part, our parts system is limited to the big iron. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Office 512-657-8526 Cell It's not what you've got, it's what you use that makes a difference. Zig Ziglar -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:55 PM To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering wheel Gary The JOHN DEERE LAWN & GARDEN TRACTORS have one that is about 13". They are very nice and Mr. Kramer says that our employee cost is about $16.00. It has a splined hub but will it fit? It WOULD be fun to find out. I owe you a call, dont I? Joe -----Original Message----- From: Gary Horstkorta > To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:41 am Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel Hello: I have what I think is a stock steering wheel in my street TR6. It is a six olt pattern and measures 14" in diameter. Problem - there is not enough oom in the foot box so I have to angle my knees to the sides when I'm eated but my knees still contact the steering wheel. I've been looking for maller steering wheel (approx. 13" diameter) in the usual Brit parts atalogs but have not found one. I don't need an expensive, wood grain ardi or Momo model but would prefer a moderately priced version, even one rom a non-automotive supplier I could adapt to this application. Any uggestions? Gary 1969 TR6 ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer at rdoequipment.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From gaf3 at charter.net Fri May 14 07:33:31 2010 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 09:33:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dreaded Thrust Washers in the Oil Pan In-Reply-To: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> References: <4BE33109.5090208@charter.net> Message-ID: <4BED512B.7010405@charter.net> Group Thanks for all the advice on managing the thrust washer issue on this TR6 engine. Following Geoff Byrne's advice, I fired up my trusty Atlas lathe and went to work. I machined a counterbore in the scored cap to accept a new bronze full circle thrust washer also machined on the lathe. The attachment to the cap will me made with brass countersunk machine screws. Plan is to see if the rear thrust washers conform to the scored, but somewhat smooth, crank thrust surface. The owner wants to drive it this summer. Also monitor end play and pull the engine in the fall if it becomes excessive and grind the crank. It's not all complete but making good progress. Thanks again Glenn Glenn Franco wrote: > Group > I've been working on a friends 74 TR6 and we discovered lots of crank > end play. > I checked the end play because he was complaining of hard shifts or > grinding while putting the trans in reverse. > I removed the pan and found the thrust washers in the oil pan.. > I've run into large end play issues with the TR6's but this is the > first I've seen in the pan. > > Understanding that this is a common malady with the TR6, I ordered a > few sets of oversize thrust washers. > Don't think there is enough material in a .025" oversize bearing to > fix the problem. > > I pulled the bearing cap and didn't see major wear in the thrust face > of the crank. I will need to do a closer inspection of the block > > Anyone out there seen a reasonable/simple fix for this problem? > > Thanks in advance > Glenn Franco > TR6's, 250 and Spit racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From jmwagner at greenheart.com Thu May 13 14:32:42 2010 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:32:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Justin: 2010 Mille Miglia Images Message-ID: <4BEC61EA.3010309@greenheart.com> Some great cars.... you can click on photos to see larger or even scroll through the larger images. --Justin 2010 Mille Miglia - IMAGES http://www.supercars.net/gallery/119513/2416/5.html The Mille Miglia Website http://www.1000miglia.eu/inglese/home.html From mark at bradakis.com Sat May 15 17:57:14 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 17:57:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] List notes and such Message-ID: <4BEF34DA.1060009@bradakis.com> Taking a break, I need to recharge the battery for my worklight so I can try to see where the coolant drip in this TR6 originates. What fun. I think I have gotten around to adding all the recent nominees to the list. Some are already familiar with Team.Net, as I believe that Jamie Palmer is also on a few other lists, like triumphs, 6pack, 2000-register and italia. Some are busy, some lists are not. This one isn't too bad. For those of you not aware, these email lists do not just appear by magic, there is a man behind the curtain making sure it stays on the air, so to speak. I don't think I posted my spring fund drive message Fools and Funding on this list which gives a bit of insight into things. If interested, you can read it from the archives at http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/shop-talk/2010-04/msg00000.html While we often quip that the FOT has no formal orginisation and no rules, there are some guidelines regarding email messages. Most of them relate to spam prevention, virus protection and efforts to not overflow peoples' mailboxes with unneeded cruft. So there are size limits on messages, and attachments are not passed on. No pictures in the email, though one can do so in the Team.Net forums - but no FOT forum. I may provide an example making use of both later this evening. Right now I need to go get the charcoal started, I've got a small pork roast I'll be doing in the Weber kettle. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 17 15:37:35 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 23:37:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort In-Reply-To: <4BEF34DA.1060009@bradakis.com> References: <4BEF34DA.1060009@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <000c01caf609$2cccfa90$8666efb0$@com> The first seasons race took place at Zandvoort. Have fun: http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5472354499971503794 Chris From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 17 19:06:03 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 21:06:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] RAMADA INN is Host Hotel for Kastner Cup-August Message-ID: <8CCC43D6C204188-1A24-70C4@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com> Topeka's Ramada Inn is sponsoring a dinner at the hotel on Thursday night. This will be for all entrants, crew, and support people who are registered at the hotel. This is in addition to the negotiated rate....take advantage of it....tell them who you are. It wouldnt hurt to get your reservations and entries out of the way. I dont think refunds will be an issue and you might save a late fee. There are a lot of people in the area that are going the extra mile for us..... Thanks! Joe A From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 17 22:44:16 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 22:44:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] RAMADA INN is Host Hotel for Kastner Cup-August In-Reply-To: <8CCC43D6C204188-1A24-70C4@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCC43D6C204188-1A24-70C4@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4BF21B20.6000407@bradakis.com> Luckily the event is many many months away, no need to start figuring out my travel plans so soon! mjb. From brad.kahler at 141.com Tue May 18 08:48:50 2010 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:48:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] need TR3/4 head stud measurements (ASAP)! Message-ID: Amici, I'm in need of measurements on the length of the 4 different head studs on a TRactor engine. There is a short and long version for under the rocker train and a short and long version for outside the valve cover. I don't have access to the engine right now to measure them so any help would be greatly appreciated! Need the info ASAP!!! Thanks, Brad From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue May 18 09:47:17 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:47:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] need TR3/4 head stud measurements (ASAP)! References: Message-ID: <7F1878FACCFD4F09AD15BD1139DFA573@latitudefb1e41> BPNW lists them on the ordering page under cylinder heads. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:48 AM Subject: [Fot] need TR3/4 head stud measurements (ASAP)! > Amici, > > I'm in need of measurements on the length of the 4 different head > studs on a TRactor engine. > > There is a short and long version for under the rocker train and a > short and long version for outside the valve cover. I don't have > access to the engine right now to measure them so any help would be > greatly appreciated! > > Need the info ASAP!!! > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From brad.kahler at 141.com Tue May 18 09:50:53 2010 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 11:50:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] need TR3/4 head stud measurements (ASAP)! In-Reply-To: <7F1878FACCFD4F09AD15BD1139DFA573@latitudefb1e41> References: <7F1878FACCFD4F09AD15BD1139DFA573@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: Thanks Bob! That gave me the info I needed and the ones I need are on their way. Brad On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > BPNW lists them on the ordering page under cylinder heads. > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" > To: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:48 AM > Subject: [Fot] need TR3/4 head stud measurements (ASAP)! > > >> Amici, >> >> I'm in need of measurements on the length of the 4 different head >> studs on a TRactor engine. >> >> There is a short and long version for under the rocker train and a >> short and long version for outside the valve cover. I don't have >> access to the engine right now to measure them so any help would be >> greatly appreciated! >> >> Need the info ASAP!!! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From jhd11 at hotmail.com Tue May 18 09:50:31 2010 From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:50:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder Message-ID: Looking at buying a rechargeable transponder. Thinking of rechargeable to use in multiple cars. Any opinions, pro or con, before I make the purchase? Thanks in advance. Joe Downer Charlotte N.C. RiffRAF Racing _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue May 18 10:41:17 2010 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 09:41:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nominee Message-ID: <001c01caf6a8$f08fb950$d1af2bf0$@racer@comcast.net> Hello All: I'd like to nominate a friend of mine and true gearhead, Alan Prentiss. Alan is a current TR6 owner but considering the list of all the British cars he's owned, he should have been a car dealer. In the past he has owned the following Triumphs: a 1968 TR4A, a 1963 TR4, and a 1967 TR4A. He has also owned 2 Morris Minors, 1 Mini Cooper S (1967), 2 MGB's, 2 Bugeye Sprites, 1 Jaguar and 1 Triumph Bonneville Motorcycle. He currently races a Crossle Formula Ford with the SCCA and before that, a Genie Mk 10 and a Mustang in vintage events, both of which he restored. To top it off, Alan is the parts manager for a large auto/truck dealership in western Nevada. Do I have a second? Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 18 11:07:53 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:07:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder References: Message-ID: <16B7610355794DB5AFB8EDC9E7CFB331@Bud> I suggest a hard wired transponder..just wire some connectors into each car.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Henry" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 8:50 AM Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder > Looking at buying a rechargeable transponder. Thinking of > rechargeable > to use in multiple cars. Any opinions, pro or con, before I make the > purchase? Thanks in advance. > > Joe Downer > Charlotte N.C. > RiffRAF Racing > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL > :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue May 18 11:38:08 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:38:08 GMT Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder Message-ID: <20100518.133808.29764.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> The big disadvantage of the rechargeable ones are that you need to remember to charge them. I obtained one from a spec Miata racer that went to a hard wired one after either forgetting to charge it once too many times or forgetting it at home too often. I used it go-karting and we often forgot to charge it until we were on the way to the track. Made do with an hours charge with the car charger. With the hard wired ones there is nothing to forget. If properly placed and wired they work great. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Joe Henry To: Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:50:31 +0000 Looking at buying a rechargeable transponder. Thinking of rechargeable to use in multiple cars. Any opinions, pro or con, before I make the purchase? Thanks in advance. Joe Downer Charlotte N.C. RiffRAF Racing _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf2d0e46d76f50bf42st06duc From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue May 18 11:44:58 2010 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:44:58 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nominee In-Reply-To: <001c01caf6a8$f08fb950$d1af2bf0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <051820101744.7229.4BF2D21A0003F70A00001C3D22230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Gary, You only nominate the best so if you recommend him he is got to be ok. I second. Ron Jacobs -------------- Original message from "Gary Horstkorta" : -------------- > Hello All: > > > > I'd like to nominate a friend of mine and true gearhead, Alan Prentiss. > Alan is a current TR6 owner but considering the list of all the British cars > he's owned, he should have been a car dealer. In the past he has owned the > following Triumphs: a 1968 TR4A, a 1963 TR4, and a 1967 TR4A. He has also > owned 2 Morris Minors, 1 Mini Cooper S (1967), 2 MGB's, 2 Bugeye Sprites, 1 > Jaguar and 1 Triumph Bonneville Motorcycle. He currently races a Crossle > Formula Ford with the SCCA and before that, a Genie Mk 10 and a Mustang in > vintage events, both of which he restored. To top it off, Alan is the parts > manager for a large auto/truck dealership in western Nevada. Do I have a > second? > > > > Gary > > > > 1962 TR4 > > 1969 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/westerneagleracing at att.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue May 18 12:08:36 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 18:08:36 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Message-ID: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Friends, not trying to brag (too much), but wanted to share that TR3s can still win at SCCA National races. I raced at Lime Rock this past weekend and came away with a 1st in EP. My previous best finish at a National was a 3rd. I qualified 8th overall and 2nd in EP with a 1:00.918, compared to the pole sitter at 0:58.911 and the lead EP car (an RX7) at 0:59.311. I caught my 1st break when the EP BMW 325i starting right behind me did not show to the grid. He had brake problems that they could not fix in time. My strategy was to drive the race at my pace and could easily take 2nd place, but also hope for the RX7 to somehow come up short. which it later did. With the RX7 1.5 seconds faster than me, I would not be able to keep up with him for too long. I had a great start, but within a couple of laps lost a few spots to some STU cars that pushed their way in front of me. A few laps later I got back by them all and then just had to deal with lapped traffic (lapped some 5 or 6 times) and chasing the leaders. With a few laps to go, my son radioed me that the RX7 was slowing and to keep charging. Last lap I passed the RX7 at the up-hill, taking the EP win. A 54 year old Triumph outlasted a Mazda and a BMW. A Miata was 3rd in EP, 2 laps down. I also got to my fastest race time at LRP with a 1:00.762. This shows that sometimes old British iron (with lots of fiberglass around it) can win against those with much more power and technology. I thought about focusing on more SCCA Nationals, based on this win, but I don't think that is in the cards for this year. Will keep developing the car and perhaps someday get to the Runoffs. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf2d7dde2b2c521289st05duc From wensley_tr at comcast.net Tue May 18 12:36:18 2010 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 14:36:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nominee In-Reply-To: <001c01caf6a8$f08fb950$d1af2bf0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <001c01caf6a8$f08fb950$d1af2bf0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000301caf6b9$01aeb550$050c1ff0$@net> I'll second that Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:41 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Nominee Hello All: I'd like to nominate a friend of mine and true gearhead, Alan Prentiss. Alan is a current TR6 owner but considering the list of all the British cars he's owned, he should have been a car dealer. In the past he has owned the following Triumphs: a 1968 TR4A, a 1963 TR4, and a 1967 TR4A. He has also owned 2 Morris Minors, 1 Mini Cooper S (1967), 2 MGB's, 2 Bugeye Sprites, 1 Jaguar and 1 Triumph Bonneville Motorcycle. He currently races a Crossle Formula Ford with the SCCA and before that, a Genie Mk 10 and a Mustang in vintage events, both of which he restored. To top it off, Alan is the parts manager for a large auto/truck dealership in western Nevada. Do I have a second? Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue May 18 13:01:10 2010 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 14:01:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder References: Message-ID: I agree with Bud and Joe. I put a hardwired transponder in my car, and wired it directly to my kill switch. The concept is, if the car is on, the transponder is on. Never have to fuss with charging it or remembering to put it in. If I plan not to use it for a long time (last year I didn't race, just autocrossed), I take out the line fuse. If you're planning to swap it around multiple cars, then just set it up with easy disconnects. Actually, the line fuse itself is an easy disconnect for the hot wire. Your easy disconnect for the ground may just be a sheet metal screw and a Phillips-head screwdriver. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Henry" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:50 AM Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder > Looking at buying a rechargeable transponder. Thinking of > rechargeable > to use in multiple cars. Any opinions, pro or con, before I make the > purchase? Thanks in advance. > > Joe Downer > Charlotte N.C. > RiffRAF Racing > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL > :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From garygret at sbcglobal.net Tue May 18 13:26:10 2010 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <137810.67459.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Joe, I considered a rechargeable transponder too for multiple cars but was talked out of it. I'd suggest going for a wired unit and an inline connector if you need to switch cars. (My wife and I shared one for a year, then bought a second transponder.) 1. They take a few days to charge. You must remember to plug it into the AC adapter by Wednesday if you're headed out to a race Friday. Experience shows an overnight charge at the track will not get you through the day. And Murphy says you'll forget. 2. They never turn off so you have to recharge them each use. Therefore in and out of the car constantly. 3. They are a sealed unit. You have to rip the case apart yourself or send it in to get the battery replaced. Midwestern Council bought 24 rental units in 2003 and the batteries were mostly gone a few years ago. Regards, Gary Schneider ________________________________ From: Joe Henry To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 10:50:31 AM Subject: [Fot] Rechargeable Transponder Looking at buying a rechargeable transponder. Thinking of rechargeable to use in multiple cars. Any opinions, pro or con, before I make the purchase? Thanks in advance. Joe Downer Charlotte N.C. RiffRAF Racing _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue May 18 13:27:37 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:27:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National In-Reply-To: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> References: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <091301caf6c0$2d24ca60$876e5f20$@rr.com> > A 54 year old Triumph outlasted a Mazda > and a BMW. All right Joe ! You da MAN !! -- Randall From fasttrs at yahoo.com Tue May 18 13:33:23 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Message-ID: <667788.19499.qm@web46114.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> That is awesome Joe! I know first hand how hard it is to win against all the newer faster cars in SCCA. Great story, thanks for sharing and Congratulations!!! Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2010, at 6:08 PM, "Joe Boruch" wrote: Friends, not trying to brag (too much), but wanted to share that TR3s can still win at SCCA National races. I raced at Lime Rock this past weekend and came away with a 1st in EP. My previous best finish at a National was a 3rd. I qualified 8th overall and 2nd in EP with a 1:00.918, compared to the pole sitter at 0:58.911 and the lead EP car (an RX7) at 0:59.311. I caught my 1st break when the EP BMW 325i starting right behind me did not show to the grid. He had brake problems that they could not fix in time. My strategy was to drive the race at my pace and could easily take 2nd place, but also hope for the RX7 to somehow come up short. which it later did. With the RX7 1.5 seconds faster than me, I would not be able to keep up with him for too long. I had a great start, but within a couple of laps lost a few spots to some STU cars that pushed their way in front of me. A few laps later I got back by them all and then just had to deal with lapped traffic (lapped some 5 or 6 times) and chasing the leaders. With a few laps to go, my son radioed me that the RX7 was slowing and to keep charging. Last lap I passed the RX7 at the up-hill, taking the EP win. A 54 year old Triumph outlasted a Mazda and a BMW. A Miata was 3rd in EP, 2 laps down. I also got to my fastest race time at LRP with a 1:00.762. This shows that sometimes old British iron (with lots of fiberglass around it) can win against those with much more power and technology. I thought about focusing on more SCCA Nationals, based on this win, but I don't think that is in the cards for this year. Will keep developing the car and perhaps someday get to the Runoffs. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf2d7dde2b2c521289st05duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From atr6racer at hotmail.com Tue May 18 15:03:03 2010 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:03:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National In-Reply-To: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> References: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Congratulations Joe! I know how hard you work on your car and you cetainly belong in the winner's circle. EP is certainly a tough class and registering a win with an old Triumph deserves some back slapping! Way to go Joe! Sam Halkias > From: jaboruch at netzero.net > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 18:08:36 +0000 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National > > Friends, not trying to brag (too much), but wanted to share that TR3s can > still win at SCCA National races. I raced at Lime Rock this past weekend and > came away with a 1st in EP. My previous best finish at a National was a 3rd. > > I qualified 8th overall and 2nd in EP with a 1:00.918, compared to the pole > sitter at 0:58.911 and the lead EP car (an RX7) at 0:59.311. I caught my 1st > break when the EP BMW 325i starting right behind me did not show to the grid. > He had brake problems that they could not fix in time. My strategy was to > drive the race at my pace and could easily take 2nd place, but also hope for > the RX7 to somehow come up short. which it later did. With the RX7 1.5 > seconds faster than me, I would not be able to keep up with him for too long. > I had a great start, but within a couple of laps lost a few spots to some STU > cars that pushed their way in front of me. A few laps later I got back by > them all and then just had to deal with lapped traffic (lapped some 5 or 6 > times) and chasing the leaders. With a few laps to go, my son radioed me that > the RX7 was slowing and to keep charging. Last lap I passed the RX7 at the > up-hill, taking the EP win. A 54 year old Triumph outlasted a Mazda and a > BMW. A Miata was 3rd in EP, 2 laps down. I also got to my fastest race time > at LRP with a 1:00.762. This shows that sometimes old British iron (with lots > of fiberglass around it) can win against those with much more power and > technology. > > I thought about focusing on more SCCA Nationals, based on this win, but I > don't think that is in the cards for this year. Will keep developing the car > and perhaps someday get to the Runoffs. Joe(B) > > ____________________________________________________________ > Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! > $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf2d7dde2b2c521289st05duc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/atr6racer at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 From BillDentin at aol.com Tue May 18 16:20:45 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 18:20:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Message-ID: <87cea.67bb29cc.39246cbd@aol.com> HOORAY for our side!!! Way ta go Joe! Bill Dentinger From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue May 18 18:43:09 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 19:43:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National In-Reply-To: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> References: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <004301caf6ec$4137a140$c3a6e3c0$@rr.com> Heck Joe some of us have a hard time keeping one running for a vintage weekend. Great job. I know you must spend countless hours preparing that car. Keep up the excellent work. I'd love some pictures of your car. Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Boruch Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 1:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Friends, not trying to brag (too much), but wanted to share that TR3s can still win at SCCA National races. I raced at Lime Rock this past weekend and came away with a 1st in EP. My previous best finish at a National was a 3rd. I qualified 8th overall and 2nd in EP with a 1:00.918, compared to the pole sitter at 0:58.911 and the lead EP car (an RX7) at 0:59.311. I caught my 1st break when the EP BMW 325i starting right behind me did not show to the grid. He had brake problems that they could not fix in time. My strategy was to drive the race at my pace and could easily take 2nd place, but also hope for the RX7 to somehow come up short. which it later did. With the RX7 1.5 seconds faster than me, I would not be able to keep up with him for too long. I had a great start, but within a couple of laps lost a few spots to some STU cars that pushed their way in front of me. A few laps later I got back by them all and then just had to deal with lapped traffic (lapped some 5 or 6 times) and chasing the leaders. With a few laps to go, my son radioed me that the RX7 was slowing and to keep charging. Last lap I passed the RX7 at the up-hill, taking the EP win. A 54 year old Triumph outlasted a Mazda and a BMW. A Miata was 3rd in EP, 2 laps down. I also got to my fastest race time at LRP with a 1:00.762. This shows that sometimes old British iron (with lots of fiberglass around it) can win against those with much more power and technology. I thought about focusing on more SCCA Nationals, based on this win, but I don't think that is in the cards for this year. Will keep developing the car and perhaps someday get to the Runoffs. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf2d7dde2b2c521289st05duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue May 18 18:59:47 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:59:47 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Message-ID: <33096265.1274230788033.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Sweet! -----Original Message----- >From: BillDentin at aol.com >Sent: May 18, 2010 3:20 PM >To: jaboruch at netzero.net, fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National > >HOORAY for our side!!! > >Way ta go Joe! > >Bill Dentinger >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue May 18 19:45:16 2010 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 21:45:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT6 front hubs Message-ID: I replaced the front wheel bearings last winter, after the inside left one cooked last year. At the time I thought it was brake heat. I had the car out for about two hours of track time last week, and noticed the same wheel was loosening up, adjusted the bearing, torqued the spindle, got through the day, but thought I better pull it apart before I took it out again this weekend. What I found astounded me - the inside bearing race - the one that press fits into the hub - was rattling around, with easily 1/32 clearance. The bearing race is the correct dimension, the race from the other hub fits the same (loose) way in this hub and snug in the right hub, so the only thing I can figure is the race spun and wore down the hub or pounded it out of shape. The grease is black but no real sign of metal filings. Clearly I need a replacement hub (this weekend's race is not looking good at the moment - always the spare you don't have on hand), but I'm just wondering what caused this that I should have looked for. I recall the race being a snug fit when I put it in, but maybe not. Anyone experience this? While I'm at it, this could be an excuse to upgrade to aluminum hubs. Anyone have any experience with any particular supplier, pro or con? Any benefits or drawbacks? From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue May 18 19:59:58 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 18:59:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National In-Reply-To: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <25C05980143942578D14FB47048297D1@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Congrat's Joe - National wins are something special. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Boruch Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 11:09 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Friends, not trying to brag (too much), but wanted to share that TR3s can still win at SCCA National races. I raced at Lime Rock this past weekend and came away with a 1st in EP. My previous best finish at a National was a 3rd. I qualified 8th overall and 2nd in EP with a 1:00.918, compared to the pole sitter at 0:58.911 and the lead EP car (an RX7) at 0:59.311. I caught my 1st break when the EP BMW 325i starting right behind me did not show to the grid. He had brake problems that they could not fix in time. My strategy was to drive the race at my pace and could easily take 2nd place, but also hope for the RX7 to somehow come up short. which it later did. With the RX7 1.5 seconds faster than me, I would not be able to keep up with him for too long. I had a great start, but within a couple of laps lost a few spots to some STU cars that pushed their way in front of me. A few laps later I got back by them all and then just had to deal with lapped traffic (lapped some 5 or 6 times) and chasing the leaders. With a few laps to go, my son radioed me that the RX7 was slowing and to keep charging. Last lap I passed the RX7 at the up-hill, taking the EP win. A 54 year old Triumph outlasted a Mazda and a BMW. A Miata was 3rd in EP, 2 laps down. I also got to my fastest race time at LRP with a 1:00.762. This shows that sometimes old British iron (with lots of fiberglass around it) can win against those with much more power and technology. I thought about focusing on more SCCA Nationals, based on this win, but I don't think that is in the cards for this year. Will keep developing the car and perhaps someday get to the Runoffs. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf2d7dde2b2c521289st05duc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue May 18 20:32:49 2010 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 22:32:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National In-Reply-To: <004301caf6ec$4137a140$c3a6e3c0$@rr.com> References: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> <004301caf6ec$4137a140$c3a6e3c0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4BF34DD1.9020402@blacksburg.net> On 5/18/2010 8:43 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > Heck Joe some of us have a hard time keeping one running for a vintage > weekend. Great job. I know you must spend countless hours preparing that > car. Keep up the excellent work. > > I'd love some pictures of your car. > > Greg > > Great job Joe! We'd all love to see pix of the car, why not post some to the team.net Forum pages? Maybe Mordy can post some on the FoT site. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue May 18 21:05:40 2010 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 21:05:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National In-Reply-To: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> References: <20100518.140836.2148.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Add in my Congratulations.......................Cheers Henry Morrison, New Mexico > From: jaboruch at netzero.net > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 18:08:36 +0000 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National > > Friends, not trying to brag (too much), but wanted to share that TR3s can > still win at SCCA National races. I raced at Lime Rock this past weekend and > came away with a 1st in EP. My previous best finish at a National was a 3rd. > > I qualified 8th overall and 2nd in EP with a 1:00.918, compared to the pole > sitter at 0:58.911 and the lead EP car (an RX7) at 0:59.311. I caught my 1st > break when the EP BMW 325i starting right behind me did not show to the grid. > He had brake problems that they could not fix in time. My strategy was to > drive the race at my pace and could easily take 2nd place, but also hope for > the RX7 to somehow come up short. which it later did. With the RX7 1.5 > seconds faster than me, I would not be able to keep up with him for too long. > I had a great start, but within a couple of laps lost a few spots to some STU > cars that pushed their way in front of me. A few laps later I got back by > them all and then just had to deal with lapped traffic (lapped some 5 or 6 > times) and chasing the leaders. With a few laps to go, my son radioed me that > the RX7 was slowing and to keep charging. Last lap I passed the RX7 at the > up-hill, taking the EP win. A 54 year old Triumph outlasted a Mazda and a > BMW. A Miata was 3rd in EP, 2 laps down. I also got to my fastest race time > at LRP with a 1:00.762. This shows that sometimes old British iron (with lots > of fiberglass around it) can win against those with much more power and > technology. > > I thought about focusing on more SCCA Nationals, based on this win, but I > don't think that is in the cards for this year. Will keep developing the car > and perhaps someday get to the Runoffs. Joe(B) > > ____________________________________________________________ > Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! > $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf2d7dde2b2c521289st05duc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com From chasgee at aol.com Wed May 19 01:15:28 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 03:15:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT6 front hubs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCC53A31E8ED0F-FB4-6D31@webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com> Hi Scott, Go here for aluminum hubs: http://www.chequeredflagracing.net/ Joe's hubs are very well made and considerably lighter than the stock steel versions. I'd upgrade the spindles as well because they are considerably stiffer than stock. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 6:45 pm Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT6 front hubs I replaced the front wheel bearings last winter, after the inside left ne cooked last year. At the time I thought it was brake heat. I had he car out for about two hours of track time last week, and noticed he same wheel was loosening up, adjusted the bearing, torqued the pindle, got through the day, but thought I better pull it apart efore I took it out again this weekend. What I found astounded me - he inside bearing race - the one that press fits into the hub - was attling around, with easily 1/32 clearance. The bearing race is the orrect dimension, the race from the other hub fits the same (loose) ay in this hub and snug in the right hub, so the only thing I can igure is the race spun and wore down the hub or pounded it out of hape. The grease is black but no real sign of metal filings. Clearly I need a replacement hub (this weekend's race is not looking ood at the moment - always the spare you don't have on hand), but I'm ust wondering what caused this that I should have looked for. I ecall the race being a snug fit when I put it in, but maybe not. nyone experience this? While I'm at it, this could be an excuse to upgrade to aluminum hubs. nyone have any experience with any particular supplier, pro or con? ny benefits or drawbacks? ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Wed May 19 06:09:57 2010 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 05:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Bob Kramer Message-ID: <861541.1690.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Sorry to take up space in everyone's inbox. Bob Kramer, please contact me off the list. Thanks, Ernie From BillDentin at aol.com Wed May 19 13:08:58 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 15:08:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] Vintage GT Challenge at ROAD AMERICA Message-ID: <25a4.41c2b65c.3925914a@aol.com> Amici... Not sure if there was anyone else, but Tony Drews, John Fridirici and I raced with SVRA at ROAD AMERICA last week end. Tony went FAST, I went half fast, and poor Fridirici trashed a fresh engine on the first lap of the first session. Not sure, but I suspect a 'repaired' head could not take some added compression. Racing is not for the faint of heart. A Datsun mechanic dropped by our paddock during the week end, and indicated he has a TR6 engine, tranny, and overdrive unit in his shop that is from a project that never went ahead. He wants to get rid of it for $400. I have not seen it, have no idea of its condition, and have no commercial interest here. If anyone wants to check it out, he is located near Milwaukee, Wisconsin. His name is Dean Champeau, and his telephone number is 262/367-3483. Bill Dentinger From BillDentin at aol.com Wed May 19 13:18:30 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 15:18:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] Vintage GP Challenge at ROAD AMERICA (reprise) Message-ID: <302e.6321470.39259386@aol.com> Amici... I forgot to mention that Joe Alexander was up at ROAD AMERICA as well, and he brought his freshly restored AMBRO, on his brand new trailer. Both are really classy and got a lot of attention from the crowd. Dave Kettler, Kent Howard, Ernie Husmann, and a whole bunch of other TRIUMPH aficionados were there as well. Good Wine & Cheese parties every night, and Victory Banquets at exotic places like Schwarz's in St. Anna, and Antoinette's (sp?) in Plymouth. Bill (Damdinger) From bownes at seiri.com Wed May 19 14:28:59 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 16:28:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage GP Challenge at ROAD AMERICA (reprise) In-Reply-To: <302e.6321470.39259386@aol.com> References: <302e.6321470.39259386@aol.com> Message-ID: Ooooooohhhhhhhh Schwarz's......That's almost enough to make me wish I lived in Wisconsin again. On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:18 PM, wrote: > Amici... > > I forgot to mention that Joe Alexander was up at ROAD AMERICA as well, and > he brought his freshly restored AMBRO, on his brand new trailer. Both are > really classy and got a lot of attention from the crowd. > > Dave Kettler, Kent Howard, Ernie Husmann, and a whole bunch of other > TRIUMPH aficionados were there as well. Good Wine & Cheese parties every > night, > and Victory Banquets at exotic places like Schwarz's in St. Anna, and > Antoinette's (sp?) in Plymouth. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From spitlist at cox.net Wed May 19 14:48:08 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 13:48:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage GT Challenge at ROAD AMERICA In-Reply-To: <25a4.41c2b65c.3925914a@aol.com> References: <25a4.41c2b65c.3925914a@aol.com> Message-ID: <3492628596574EF18EC47A7EF33A8CAB@joepentiumnew> The overdrive by itself is probably worth the $400.00. I bet it doesn't sit very long before someone snatches it up. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Vintage GT Challenge at ROAD AMERICA Amici... Not sure if there was anyone else, but Tony Drews, John Fridirici and I raced with SVRA at ROAD AMERICA last week end. Tony went FAST, I went half fast, and poor Fridirici trashed a fresh engine on the first lap of the first session. Not sure, but I suspect a 'repaired' head could not take some added compression. Racing is not for the faint of heart. A Datsun mechanic dropped by our paddock during the week end, and indicated he has a TR6 engine, tranny, and overdrive unit in his shop that is from a project that never went ahead. He wants to get rid of it for $400. I have not seen it, have no idea of its condition, and have no commercial interest here. If anyone wants to check it out, he is located near Milwaukee, Wisconsin. His name is Dean Champeau, and his telephone number is 262/367-3483. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From BillDentin at aol.com Wed May 19 15:09:34 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:09:34 EDT Subject: [Fot] Vintage GP Challenge at ROAD AMERICA (reprise) Message-ID: In a message dated 05/19/2010 3:29:01 PM Central Daylight Time, bownes at seiri.com writes: > Ooooooohhhhhhhh Schwarz's......That's almost enough to make me wish I > lived in Wisconsin again. > An absolutely WORLD CLASS steak/chop house in the middle of nowhere. Well, actually it's in Wisconsin's 'holy land'. All the cities in the area have names like St. Anna, St. Michael's, St. Nazianz And you order a drink and its twice as big as anywhere else and only two-thirds the price. Bill (Damdinger) From bownes at seiri.com Wed May 19 15:39:30 2010 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:39:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage GT Challenge at ROAD AMERICA In-Reply-To: <3492628596574EF18EC47A7EF33A8CAB@joepentiumnew> References: <25a4.41c2b65c.3925914a@aol.com> <3492628596574EF18EC47A7EF33A8CAB@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: I'd take it for the engine alone if I had a way to get it home. :/ On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > The overdrive by itself is probably worth the $400.00. > > I bet it doesn't sit very long before someone snatches it up. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:09 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Vintage GT Challenge at ROAD AMERICA > > Amici... > > Not sure if there was anyone else, but Tony Drews, John Fridirici and I > raced with SVRA at ROAD AMERICA last week end. Tony went FAST, I went half > fast, and poor Fridirici trashed a fresh engine on the first lap of the > first > session. Not sure, but I suspect a 'repaired' head could not take some > added > compression. Racing is not for the faint of heart. > > A Datsun mechanic dropped by our paddock during the week end, and indicated > he has a TR6 engine, tranny, and overdrive unit in his shop that is from a > project that never went ahead. He wants to get rid of it for $400. I have > not seen it, have no idea of its condition, and have no commercial interest > here. If anyone wants to check it out, he is located near Milwaukee, > Wisconsin. His name is Dean Champeau, and his telephone number is > 262/367-3483. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 19 16:06:18 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 18:06:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage GP Challenge at ROAD AMERICA (reprise) In-Reply-To: References: <302e.6321470.39259386@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CCC5B6A3FA17FC-2358-4594@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com> The weather was great, the activities were varied and included a car show. I got 600 miles on the new purpose built small bore car trailer with new tie down design and very pleased. I got about 15 miles of touring time on the AMBRO before a dash ignition wire came adrift....pleased with the AMBRO, too. Nice weekend...looking forward to Blackhawk Farms. Joe -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 3:28 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage GP Challenge at ROAD AMERICA (reprise) Ooooooohhhhhhhh Schwarz's......That's almost enough to make me wish I lived n Wisconsin again. On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:18 PM, wrote: > Amici... I forgot to mention that Joe Alexander was up at ROAD AMERICA as well, and he brought his freshly restored AMBRO, on his brand new trailer. Both are really classy and got a lot of attention from the crowd. Dave Kettler, Kent Howard, Ernie Husmann, and a whole bunch of other TRIUMPH aficionados were there as well. Good Wine & Cheese parties every night, and Victory Banquets at exotic places like Schwarz's in St. Anna, and Antoinette's (sp?) in Plymouth. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From mark at bradakis.com Wed May 19 16:31:05 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 16:31:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Two's company Message-ID: <4BF466A9.9060600@bradakis.com> Just for grins, check out http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=48 And on a side note, I am going to be making a serious effort to get to this year's Kastner Cup race. I found I had another incentive the other day. Back when I was working at Bailey's Pugs gave Ricki, the young apprentice mechanic, a GT6 project. To help him stay enthused I loaned him some of my Triumph books. I won't go into the whole story but the books may or may not be gone. One of them was my autographed copy of Kas' book that had me mentioned in it. So I've got to acquire another copy and take it with me to see if Kas will autograph the replacement. mjb. From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed May 19 16:26:14 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 22:26:14 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Message-ID: <20100519.182614.3447.5@webmail21.dca.untd.com> I am waiting for my son to email me a picture that he took at the National. Most other on track pictures were from professionals and have restrictions about publishing them. My son has posted some youutube video of various races. The only video from this National race was the victory lap taken by him with him in the car. Search cessnan121pp for all his videos on youtube. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Cc: 'Joe Boruch' , fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 22:32:49 -0400 On 5/18/2010 8:43 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > Heck Joe some of us have a hard time keeping one running for a vintage > weekend. Great job. I know you must spend countless hours preparing that > car. Keep up the excellent work. > > I'd love some pictures of your car. > > Greg > > Great job Joe! We'd all love to see pix of the car, why not post some to the team.net Forum pages? Maybe Mordy can post some on the FoT site. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go ____________________________________________________________ Free Penny Stock Alerts Join our free newsletter and get stock alerts that gain up to 3550%! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf465d4f35de560bd3st03duc From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sat May 22 09:46:15 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:46:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil pressure seetings for SBC piston guded rods Message-ID: <00b101caf9c5$ea004440$be00ccc0$@rr.com> Anyone using the Chevy rods with the narrow big end please let me know what oil pressure settings you are using. This past weekend I saw my pressure bleed off from 75psi at idle 80 psi above 2000rpm to 30psi at idle/60psi above 2000rpm after 2 laps in my second race. I skipped Sunday's races because I could not get the cold oil pressure at start up back to 80psi. I will be pulling the pan this weekend to look at bearings, but I am now wondering if I need to be setting the pressure regulator higher, like 100psi, due to the amount of oil that get past the narrow rod bearings. What say the oil pressure gurus. From malaboge at aol.com Sat May 22 16:23:21 2010 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 18:23:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Help Me Obi One... Message-ID: <8CCC814856F79CD-82C-8431@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> Fellow parts changers... Oh I get so disagreeable about the "little stuff". So I haul out a pair of TR calipers, a rebuild kit and some new pistons and settle down for a little "quality time" on the bench. Everything goes well until I open the no-name rebuild kit. The seals seem right, its the right type of dust boot, but why are there springs in there for the pistons like the kits for the late calipers! So I grab another kit off the shelf ...its got the same part # (Moss 583-001) but this one also has the ole Girling number on the box (SP2501). Now I know thats the right Girling number so I figger I'll use this kit...at least it has no springs in it. I know I shouldn't have, but I just couldn't stop myself...the seals in the Girling marked kit are larger than the no name kit. The no-namers seem to be the right size for the piston as they "just" are the same size as the piston od. Now the Girling marked seals fall right off the pistons and seem to be a good 1/8" bigger in diameter. Whats a poor boy to do? So, does anyone have a 16pb (the later metric) piston lying around they can measure? All the stuff in my shop is the earlier 16p stuff. I know there are different part nos for each piston, but are they the same diameter...inquiring minds want to know... Anna a nuther thing...why have the stainless pistons gotten heavier? They're thicker all over compared to the stockers... Those are the brakes... Nick in Nor Cal From seaCubeCo at aol.com Sat May 22 17:31:57 2010 From: seaCubeCo at aol.com (Seacubeco) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:31:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [fot] need help locating parts for mga In-Reply-To: <00b101caf9c5$ea004440$be00ccc0$@rr.com> References: <00b101caf9c5$ea004440$be00ccc0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <033A0264-997C-419D-9015-F92120DE101A@aol.com> Fellow freaks of cars from across the pond My friend just crashed his 58 MGA race car today and I am putting out feelers for parts. So far from guessing we will need body pannels and a frame. I an sure we will needore things but those will get us started Thank you Chris Bock From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sat May 22 20:31:23 2010 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Help Me Obi One... In-Reply-To: <8CCC814856F79CD-82C-8431@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <534342.18888.qm@web111413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> "Whats a poor boy to do?" Nick, I just happened to have the latest Moss Motors catalog lying here next to my keyboard. What I decipher from scanning page 57 is that all A,B & C pistons and seals are the same except in the new replacement "C" calipers which take kit # 583-110. Those are the ones I would suspect are the metric size. Sorry I don't have any metric ones here to measure. I installed the 583-001 kits in the calipers of my TR 3 in '06. Over the winter the brake fluid leaked from the left caliper. I disassembled it and found the seal nearly turned to mush. I called Moss about it. The parts person I spoke to said they no longer sell it due to quality problems. I would suggest not using the kits with that part # unless you are sure they are genuine Girling and not el-cheapo brand. Ken Suhre From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun May 23 06:51:49 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 07:51:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: CVAR at ECR part1 Message-ID: <000a01cafa76$b5b95f30$212c1d90$@rr.com> I guess I got long winded, part = From: Greg & Alison Blake [mailto:ablake2 at austin.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:56 AM To: 'fot at autox.team.net' Cc: 'Robert Blake' Subject: CVAR at ECR Race report for Eagles Canyon last weekend: CVAR was at Eagles Canyon last weekend. Dad got there Friday to get some extra seat time in No. 14 (Ex VARA red TR4). This was his first race weekend since taking his student weekend back in September 09. Unfortunately he only got one practice session in before the rain started. He said by the end of his session it was pouring down rain. He said the car was breaking up over 5000rpm. I got there to clearing skies around 4pm Friday, but they had already called it quits for Friday test and tune. We walked the track and noted several areas where water was leaching through the pavement GREAT. Saturday came and the skies looked like they would let loose at any moment. Luckily we were spared all day, no rain. Bobby Whitehead, Gary Fuqua, and Bob Blake represented FOT in group 7. Gary ran really strong in a group of three, I think he was up with two B sedans. Car looked faster than normal. Bobby was a bit behind mixing it up with another B sedan, think it was a 510, having a good time. Dad was way in back in the first race and the car sounded terrible (more latter). Bill Collins(last name??) was there in his recently acquired Spit in group 2. Bill looked really good. Car sounded good too. Joe Hovey was there too but unfortunately his spit was left at home. I think he has been chewing up bearings lately. I ran the TR3 in group 4 on Sat. The track was still wet for qualifying when I went out for the first time to learn the track. Luckily, Dad and I had noted those wet off camber corners on Friday. They were extremely slick on Sat. There was one, I think it is turn 7 & 8, where you have just scrubbed speed from the 2500 back straight to enter a 90 degree no camber uphill lefthander which transitions to a 90 degree off camber down hill right hander. The tricky part is that the crest of the vertical curve is right were you need to start your turn in for the right hander. You get really light there. To add to the trickery, at the apex of this right hander was one of the worst wet spots on the track. Needless to say, I stayed off the gas through this apex. I qualified 1st for VA and VB but had two formula coopers and a lola in front of me for the start. I did not intend to qualify up there because I am still a bit nervous on starts. I guess that is a good way to get over that fear. At the start, I let the 356 speedster, Healy 106, MGA, and Alfa pass me. I chased for a lap to see how those wet sots were doing. Once settled, I passed the MGA and Alfa on lap two. The 106 and the lola were pulling away as I chased the speedster. We were neck and neck on the straights and bumper to bumper in the turns. This went on for two laps, with me yielding at each corner. I found two places on the track where I know I could pass him clean. The exit to turn 2, and out braking him at the end of the back straight. On lap 3, I decided I would pass him at the end of the back straight. I setup to the inside to out brake him and we both flew past his normal braking point, I guess he knew what I was up to. He ended up way too deep into 7 and I though he would need some extra room to recover so yielded again. We got into 8 a little off line and he did a half spin, while he was recovering, I shot past going into 9 and never saw him again. For the next several laps I was closing the gap with the 106 and the lola, but ran out of time. Turns out I set fastest lap time for VA and VB while chasing the 106. In lap two of the second race I ran into the oil pressure issue posted about earlier so I pulled in. Continued From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun May 23 06:53:02 2010 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 07:53:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CVAR at ECR part 2/2 Message-ID: <000f01cafa76$e18894f0$a499bed0$@rr.com> Part 2/2 Back to #14. Like I said it did not sound good but I did not get a good opportunity to hear it at full tilt. There was about 10 911s running group 7 this weekend and it is difficult to hear a TR motor over those screamers. In the second group 7 race Dad was again falling back and the car did not look fast, the stars aligned and I heard the motor at the end of one of the straights and noticed what Dad was complaining about, it sounded terrible. When he got back to our pit, it was late and the kegs were already tapped. We were pretty thirsty so the car could wait. We hooked up with the rest of the FOT at the kegs and ran into Ed & Josh Barnard. They had been at corner 10 all day. Ed said #14 sounded off. After a few trips to the keg we decided it was time to do some diagnostics, the timing of that decision had nothing to do with the rum cake or floating kegs. We figured out pretty quick that #14 had been running on three cylinders all day. We eliminated electrical and a compression test yielded good results. Fuel.well #4 was firing just fine. So Ed broke out the carb cleaner to no avail, could not find the leak. We were all a bit baffled at this point and convinced ourselves that there must be something blocking the intake runner to #3. We decided since I was not running in the morning we would have time to pull the carbs in the morning. Once removed, everything looked clear. Carbs went back on. As we were tightening the nuts on the carbs, we noticed that one of the intake manifold split washers was not compressed. Sure enough a wrench revealed that the nut was finger tight. Finally got it. We went through all manifold nuts. She fired up and sounded great. A silly intake leak. We then were able to time it better since it was now running A LOT smoother and the timing mark was not jumping around. We also set the mixture a little richer after looking at the plugs. What a difference. This car has never sounded this good. Dad took 11 seconds off his best time from Sat in the first Sunday race. He was going to grid for the second race and a grose jet failed with no spares, the car went on the trailer. What a great weekend. We all had a blast. Greg From dos_gusanos at msn.com Sun May 23 20:29:22 2010 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 20:29:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Autocrossing in Farmington, NM Triumph does it again! Message-ID: Cheers to all, Took my 15 year old son,Jake, to the two day autocross in Farmington, NM over the weekend. Our mount was the TR7 with the Dolomite Sprint engine. I entered as a TR7 sprint and they stuck us straight into H stock. We won our class even though we were cheating heavily, but we were the only one's in our class. My son got to experience spinning out and breaking a throttle cable and pitching a blade of the alternator fan into the bottom of the bonnet. I had a great time and hope he did too. Cheers Henry Morrison, Cedar Crest, NM From adams910 at gmail.com Mon May 24 13:52:02 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 15:52:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com Message-ID: http://www.britishracecar.com/GeorgeWright-Triumph-TR4.htm Trick, sano and very fast. I really like the removable front clip and cowl. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 24 14:05:03 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 20:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll Message-ID: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Greetings FoT I'm just taking a poll of what brake pads & shoes are being used. I have been using the Porterfield vintage compound on the front because of exceptional initial bite. Unfortunately the last two times I raced the car on freshly turned rotors with new pads I end up cooking the pads & rotorsB in a single weekend. I'm not ready to throw Porterfield under the proverbial busB but so far I'm not seeing anything in the front end or calipers that would cause the problem. Both times the rotors scored up pretty bad all the way across. The pads have a gap at the outboard edge of the pads ( top )B and snug at the inboard side. The smell of cooked brakes is present and blue rings toward the inboard edges of the rotors. Chunks of pad missing, pads glazed. The rears have performed great, no problems. I had to use the brakes so hard over the 15th & 16th I still have a prononced limp, no joke. I do have Uncle Jack's spindles and have a real good pedal, no fade or kickback. Thanks for the input, Jim G. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 24 14:25:27 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 22:25:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601cafb7f$409d9d10$c1d8d730$@com> Some nice gadgets on that car but the left cage side is really not stylish. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bob Adams Gesendet: Montag, 24. Mai 2010 21:52 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com http://www.britishracecar.com/GeorgeWright-Triumph-TR4.htm Trick, sano and very fast. I really like the removable front clip and cowl. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 24 14:36:39 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 22:36:39 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll In-Reply-To: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000701cafb80$d13c8330$73b58990$@com> I use EBC yellow pads in front and Lucas brake shoes at rear. Does work very fine. BUT....I cooked several times my brake sealing rings to death. For this season I have special made brake sealing rings they seem to last. No dripping brake anymore. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net Gesendet: Montag, 24. Mai 2010 22:05 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll Greetings FoT I'm just taking a poll of what brake pads & shoes are being used. I have been using the Porterfield vintage compound on the front because of exceptional initial bite. Unfortunately the last two times I raced the car on freshly turned rotors with new pads I end up cooking the pads & rotorsB in a single weekend. I'm not ready to throw Porterfield under the proverbial busB but so far I'm not seeing anything in the front end or calipers that would cause the problem. Both times the rotors scored up pretty bad all the way across. The pads have a gap at the outboard edge of the pads ( top )B and snug at the inboard side. The smell of cooked brakes is present and blue rings toward the inboard edges of the rotors. Chunks of pad missing, pads glazed. The rears have performed great, no problems. I had to use the brakes so hard over the 15th & 16th I still have a prononced limp, no joke. I do have Uncle Jack's spindles and have a real good pedal, no fade or kickback. Thanks for the input, Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From riverside at southslope.net Mon May 24 14:43:07 2010 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 15:43:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] spitty diffs Message-ID: <006501cafb81$b7b3b040$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Rebuilding a diff for a 76 Spit autocrosser and the pinion gear shims are junk. Anybody know where to find some? Absent finding them, is there a work around? Like using thicker side gear shims to take up the slack? All ideas welcome! thanks art de armond From adams910 at gmail.com Mon May 24 14:50:38 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 16:50:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com In-Reply-To: <000601cafb7f$409d9d10$c1d8d730$@com> References: <000601cafb7f$409d9d10$c1d8d730$@com> Message-ID: Christian, The sidebars are called "NASCAR door bars" since that's where they originated from. They're VERY strong and extremely effective at keeping a car out of the cockpit in side impacts. Looking at the pictures, the cage in George's car meets and even exceeds the current SCCA rules by using NASCAR door bars on both sides. You probably don't see them often in Europe. I think in Europe you commonly see a x, that is boxed in where the two tubes intersect. You might also see some additional tubing leading to the boxed in x section. Hope that helps. From dave at microworks.net Mon May 24 15:00:20 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 14:00:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Facebook Group Message-ID: I just made a "Friends of Triumph" Facebook Group. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=124727640888719 If/when Mark or Mordy join the group I'll elevate them to Admins of it. After noting that half the people that posted to the FOT list this past week are on Facebook (14 yes, 13 no and 1 undetermined) I thought we might as well have a presence there too. Join up if you want. I determined the above stats based on the email address they send to the list with by checking their profile in my Outlook with the Xobni plug-in From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 24 15:02:16 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 23:02:16 +0200 Subject: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com In-Reply-To: References: <000601cafb7f$409d9d10$c1d8d730$@com> Message-ID: <000c01cafb84$6555d820$30018860$@com> Hi Bob, since last year we also have to fit side impact bars. As I have a flimsy fiber glass door Im really happy to have those double bars. Have a look on the photos. The bars are completely hidden by the door and do meet the FIA rules. http://1.1.1.5/bmi/www.britishcarforum.com/bcforum/gallery/49/full/21530.jpg Cheers Chris Von: Bob Adams [mailto:adams910 at gmail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 24. Mai 2010 22:51 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com Christian, The sidebars are called "NASCAR door bars" since that's where they originated from. They're VERY strong and extremely effective at keeping a car out of the cockpit in side impacts. Looking at the pictures, the cage in George's car meets and even exceeds the current SCCA rules by using NASCAR door bars on both sides. You probably don't see them often in Europe. I think in Europe you commonly see a x, that is boxed in where the two tubes intersect. You might also see some additional tubing leading to the boxed in x section. Hope that helps. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 24 15:18:43 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 23:18:43 +0200 Subject: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001101cafb86$b1928740$14b795c0$@com> Another thing I don't understand. At the link of the rear swaybar there is a little coil spring between the rubber bits. For what is that coil spring? Wouldn't the spring weaken the efficiency of the rear swaybar? Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bob Adams Gesendet: Montag, 24. Mai 2010 21:52 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com http://www.britishracecar.com/GeorgeWright-Triumph-TR4.htm Trick, sano and very fast. I really like the removable front clip and cowl. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon May 24 15:20:58 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 14:20:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll In-Reply-To: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <31C74618CB974B25A2227A46139D50DE@TOSHIBALAPTOP> I'm using the regular Porterfield R-4, not the vintage version. The vintage pads are made to work at very low temperatures. Before giving up on Porterfield, I'd suggest trying the full race version. I get about 6 weekends on a set of pads and a couple more on the rear shoes. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:05 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll Greetings FoT I'm just taking a poll of what brake pads & shoes are being used. I have been using the Porterfield vintage compound on the front because of exceptional initial bite. Unfortunately the last two times I raced the car on freshly turned rotors with new pads I end up cooking the pads & rotorsB in a single weekend. I'm not ready to throw Porterfield under the proverbial busB but so far I'm not seeing anything in the front end or calipers that would cause the problem. Both times the rotors scored up pretty bad all the way across. The pads have a gap at the outboard edge of the pads ( top )B and snug at the inboard side. The smell of cooked brakes is present and blue rings toward the inboard edges of the rotors. Chunks of pad missing, pads glazed. The rears have performed great, no problems. I had to use the brakes so hard over the 15th & 16th I still have a prononced limp, no joke. I do have Uncle Jack's spindles and have a real good pedal, no fade or kickback. Thanks for the input, Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From spitlist at cox.net Mon May 24 15:33:22 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 14:33:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitty diffs In-Reply-To: <006501cafb81$b7b3b040$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <006501cafb81$b7b3b040$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: Here is a link to Spitbits shims for that application. http://www.spitbits.com/store/Front-Pinion-Shim-C651.aspx Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of riverside Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] spitty diffs Rebuilding a diff for a 76 Spit autocrosser and the pinion gear shims are junk. Anybody know where to find some? Absent finding them, is there a work around? Like using thicker side gear shims to take up the slack? All ideas welcome! thanks art de armond _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon May 24 15:48:37 2010 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 16:48:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] spitty diffs References: <006501cafb81$b7b3b040$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <844FED4A58A446D896F2008CDC1B47F2@rocky> The Vicky Brit catalogue shows four different sizes (.0190", .0025", .0045", .0092"). www.victoriabritish.com. Or Ted Schumacher might have some (www.tsimportedautomotive.com, and Ted's on this list), or Roadster Factory (www.the-roadster-factory.com), or Moss Motors (www.mossmotors.com). In a pinch, get some tin snips and cut your own. Once in they just sit there. There's no real stress on them once compressed and it's not critical the ID and OD be perfect, just the thickness. When I needed real thin ones I cut them out of newspaper offset printing plate (.007" -- so thin I could use regular scissors). --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "riverside" To: Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 3:43 PM Subject: [Fot] spitty diffs > Rebuilding a diff for a 76 Spit autocrosser > and the pinion gear shims are junk. Anybody > know where to find some? Absent finding them, is there > a work around? Like using thicker side gear > shims to take up the slack? All ideas welcome! > > > thanks > > art de armond > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon May 24 16:32:48 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 15:32:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com In-Reply-To: <001101cafb86$b1928740$14b795c0$@com> References: <001101cafb86$b1928740$14b795c0$@com> Message-ID: <1e2701cafb91$09d16cf0$0301a8c0@randall> > For what is that coil spring? > Wouldn't the spring weaken the efficiency of the rear swaybar? Yes, exactly. It gives a method of adjusting the effect of the swaybar, to tune the roll rate and hence over/under-steer. Randall From fpspitfire at comcast.net Mon May 24 19:15:03 2010 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 01:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll In-Reply-To: <31C74618CB974B25A2227A46139D50DE@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <1181018503.839531274750103242.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hawk HT-10 in the front and HT-14 in the rear, unless the ambient temperature is low then I will use HT-10 in the rear.B I have some EBC green stuff pads for the rear if the surface is extremely slick. Readily available for the spitfire as the girling calipers are used on Formula Fords, and the rear I use a Wilwood dynalite caliper. Aaron SCCA H-Prod Spitfire 1500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norlin Engineering" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net, "fot" Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 5:20:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll I'm using the regular Porterfield R-4, not the vintage version. B The vintage pads are made to work at very low temperatures. B Before giving up on Porterfield, I'd suggest trying the full race version. B I get about 6 weekends on a set of pads and a couple more on the rear shoes. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:05 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll Greetings FoT I'm just taking a poll of what brake pads & shoes are being used. I have been using the Porterfield vintage compound on the front because of exceptional initial bite. Unfortunately the last two times I raced the car on freshly turned rotors with new pads I end up cooking the pads & rotorsB in a single weekend. I'm not ready to throw Porterfield under the proverbial busB but so far I'm not seeing anything in the front end or calipers that would cause the problem. Both times the rotors scored up pretty bad all the way across. The pads have a gap at the outboard edge of the pads ( top )B and snug at the inboard side. The smell of cooked brakes is present and blue rings toward the inboard edges of the rotors. Chunks of pad missing, pads glazed. The rears have performed great, no problems. I had to use the brakes so hard over the 15th & 16th I still have a prononced limp, no joke. I do have Uncle Jack's spindles and have a real good pedal, no fade or kickback. Thanks for the input, Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fpspitfire at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 24 22:55:05 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 06:55:05 +0200 Subject: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com In-Reply-To: <1e2701cafb91$09d16cf0$0301a8c0@randall> References: <001101cafb86$b1928740$14b795c0$@com> <1e2701cafb91$09d16cf0$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <000401cafbc6$72dd42c0$5897c840$@com> Ahhh - I see but that would allow only very small adjustments compared with shortening the swaybar arms. But good idea anyway! Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Randall Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Mai 2010 00:33 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] George Wright's TR4 on Britishracecar.com > For what is that coil spring? > Wouldn't the spring weaken the efficiency of the rear swaybar? Yes, exactly. It gives a method of adjusting the effect of the swaybar, to tune the roll rate and hence over/under-steer. Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jhd11 at hotmail.com Tue May 25 09:25:06 2010 From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:25:06 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads Message-ID: To add to the brake discussion; As some of you may or may not know, we are building a TR6 to go Chumpcar Racing (same principal as Lemons). We will be using, initially at least, stock discs,drums and calipers. Since it is endurance racing we will need several sets of brake pads. Are there any off the shelf performance pads for the 6 that will work. I spoke to the Carbotech people and they can have a pad that will work but a lot of $$! Thanks in advance. Joe Downer RiffRAF Racing Charlotte, N.C. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 25 09:57:32 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:57:32 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003101cafc22$fe70bf90$fb523eb0$@com> Hi Joe, EBC blue stuff is for endurance racing. Cheers Chrsi -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Joe Henry Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Mai 2010 17:25 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads To add to the brake discussion; As some of you may or may not know, we are building a TR6 to go Chumpcar Racing (same principal as Lemons). We will be using, initially at least, stock discs,drums and calipers. Since it is endurance racing we will need several sets of brake pads. Are there any off the shelf performance pads for the 6 that will work. I spoke to the Carbotech people and they can have a pad that will work but a lot of $$! Thanks in advance. Joe Downer RiffRAF Racing Charlotte, N.C. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28 3 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From chasgee at aol.com Tue May 25 10:30:48 2010 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 12:30:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCCA3EC4B67675-C28-DCC2@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com> Based on my experience in a Lemons race with a TR7, buy the more expensive pads. We started with the off the shelf performance pads (Pep Boys type stuff) and they lasted about 2 hours. After we put proper race pads on, we made it the rest of the way with no problems. They were expensive, but cheaper that replacing pads after every driver stint. Good luck and enjoy the race. If it is anything like Lemons, you will have a blast! Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Joe Henry To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 8:25 am Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads To add to the brake discussion; As some of you may or may not know, we are building a TR6 to go Chumpcar acing (same principal as Lemons). We will be using, initially at least, tock discs,drums and calipers. Since it is endurance racing we will need everal sets of brake pads. Are there any off the shelf performance pads for he 6 that will work. I spoke to the Carbotech people and they can have a pad hat will work but a lot of $$! Thanks in advance. Joe Downer iffRAF Racing harlotte, N.C. _________________________________________________________________ he New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with otmail. ttp://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Tue May 25 11:42:06 2010 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 10:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads Message-ID: <269025.28391.qm@web46113.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Check out Hawk brake pads. You will want to check application charts but If I remember correctly part #HP 169560s ht10 compound for all out racing. I believe this is the same pad as the 240z. A few of their parts were copied from the TR and cross over (brakes/wheel bolt pattern). Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 25, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Joe Henry wrote: To add to the brake discussion; As some of you may or may not know, we are building a TR6 to go Chumpcar Racing (same principal as Lemons). We will be using, initially at least, stock discs,drums and calipers. Since it is endurance racing we will need several sets of brake pads. Are there any off the shelf performance pads for the 6 that will work. I spoke to the Carbotech people and they can have a pad that will work but a lot of $$! Thanks in advance. Joe Downer RiffRAF Racing Charlotte, N.C. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 25 11:53:14 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads In-Reply-To: <269025.28391.qm@web46113.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <522795991.954001274809994058.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I just ordered a set of H10's from Pegasus. The part number is correct. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" To: "Joe Henry" Cc: "" Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:42:06 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads Check out Hawk brake pads. You will want to check application charts but If I remember correctly part #HP 169560s ht10 compound for all out racing. I believe this is the same pad as the 240z. A few of their parts were copied from the TR and cross over (brakes/wheel bolt pattern). Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 25, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Joe Henry wrote: B B B To add to the brake discussion; B B B As some of you may or may not know, we are building a TR6 to go Chumpcar Racing (same principal as Lemons). B We will be using, initially at least, stock discs,drums and calipers. B Since it is endurance racing we will need several sets of brake pads. B Are there any off the shelf performance pads for the 6 that will work. B I spoke to the Carbotech people and they can have a pad that will work but a lot of $$! B Thanks in advance. Joe Downer RiffRAF Racing Charlotte, N.C. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From igofaster at att.net Tue May 25 12:57:09 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Facebook Group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <979910.58864.qm@web180716.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> don't do much FB.... but I joined the FoT FB community... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Dave Riddle To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 4:00:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Facebook Group I just made a "Friends of Triumph" Facebook Group. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=124727640888719 If/when Mark or Mordy join the group I'll elevate them to Admins of it. After noting that half the people that posted to the FOT list this past week are on Facebook (14 yes, 13 no and 1 undetermined) I thought we might as well have a presence there too. Join up if you want. I determined the above stats based on the email address they send to the list with by checking their profile in my Outlook with the Xobni plug-in _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue May 25 14:13:06 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:13:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads References: <8CCCA3EC4B67675-C28-DCC2@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <57BFC7254C97469B926C5232F0757E0D@latitudefb1e41> Thanks for that info. We have a TR6 in progress for the Sept. Lemon's race near Houston. I was planning on using some street performance pads. I figured that they would last longer. I have a collection of partially used pads so we may save them for Sunday. Yeah, I'm optomistic. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads > Based on my experience in a Lemons race with a TR7, buy the more expensive > pads. We started with the off the shelf performance pads (Pep Boys type > stuff) and they lasted about 2 hours. After we put proper race pads on, > we > made it the rest of the way with no problems. They were expensive, but > cheaper that replacing pads after every driver stint. > > Good luck and enjoy the race. If it is anything like Lemons, you will > have a > blast! > > Chuck > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Henry > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 8:25 am > Subject: [Fot] TR6 Brake Pads > > > To add to the brake discussion; > As some of you may or may not know, we are building a TR6 to go > Chumpcar > acing (same principal as Lemons). We will be using, initially at least, > tock discs,drums and calipers. Since it is endurance racing we will need > everal sets of brake pads. Are there any off the shelf performance pads > for > he 6 that will work. I spoke to the Carbotech people and they can have a > pad > hat will work but a lot of $$! Thanks in advance. > Joe Downer > iffRAF Racing > harlotte, N.C. > _________________________________________________________________ > he New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with > otmail. > ttp://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 > 6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue May 25 16:54:29 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:54:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! Message-ID: Pack your bags...... Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "yemington" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >I hope this isn't a cruel joke... > > http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cvar_general/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cvar_general/join > (Yahoo! ID required) > > <*> To change settings via email: > cvar_general-digest at yahoogroups.com > cvar_general-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > cvar_general-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 25 17:04:58 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 16:04:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! References: Message-ID: Wooohoo!..my Son lives in Lakeway..30 miles from Austin!!... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:54 PM Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > Pack your bags...... > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "yemington" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:32 PM > Subject: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > > >>I hope this isn't a cruel joke... >> >> http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 25 17:22:24 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 16:22:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> Oh Great, another Herman Tilke cookie-cutter race course to be built and countless millions of dollars going to line Bernie Ecclestone's deep pockets. It makes one wonder how long it will be before Bernie scratches the whole plan because he is not getting nearly as rich off the venture as he originally thought. And will USF1 actually field a car by the time the track is built? Skeptically, Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:05 PM To: Bob Kramer; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! Wooohoo!..my Son lives in Lakeway..30 miles from Austin!!... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:54 PM Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > Pack your bags...... > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "yemington" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:32 PM > Subject: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > > >>I hope this isn't a cruel joke... >> >> http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cvar_general/ >> >> <*> Your email settings: >> Individual Email | Traditional >> >> <*> To change settings online go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cvar_general/join >> (Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From dave at microworks.net Tue May 25 18:00:26 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:00:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! In-Reply-To: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> References: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <84C68E435A3941FD8596313191D2F51F@sys> USF1 is kaput. It will not be rising from the ashes -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:22 PM To: 'RACER BUD'; 'Bob Kramer'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! Oh Great, another Herman Tilke cookie-cutter race course to be built and countless millions of dollars going to line Bernie Ecclestone's deep pockets. It makes one wonder how long it will be before Bernie scratches the whole plan because he is not getting nearly as rich off the venture as he originally thought. And will USF1 actually field a car by the time the track is built? Skeptically, Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:05 PM To: Bob Kramer; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! Wooohoo!..my Son lives in Lakeway..30 miles from Austin!!... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:54 PM Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > Pack your bags...... > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "yemington" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:32 PM > Subject: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > > >>I hope this isn't a cruel joke... >> >> http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dave at microworks.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue May 25 19:06:09 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:06:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! References: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <40337B4109254E219D37C8A8F250652B@latitudefb1e41> Yeah but.....we get a world class facility right here in central TX for the other 51 weeks of the year. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'RACER BUD'" ; "'Bob Kramer'" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:22 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > Oh Great, another Herman Tilke cookie-cutter race course to be built and > countless millions of dollars going to line Bernie Ecclestone's deep > pockets. > > It makes one wonder how long it will be before Bernie scratches the whole > plan because he is not getting nearly as rich off the venture as he > originally thought. > > And will USF1 actually field a car by the time the track is built? > > Skeptically, > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:05 PM > To: Bob Kramer; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > > Wooohoo!..my Son lives in Lakeway..30 miles from Austin!!... > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Kramer" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:54 PM > Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > > >> Pack your bags...... >> >> Bob Kramer >> Volente, TX >> >> Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch >> excellence. >> Vince Lombardi >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "yemington" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:32 PM >> Subject: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >> >> >>>I hope this isn't a cruel joke... >>> >>> http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: >>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tlizzard at msn.com Tue May 25 19:11:26 2010 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:11:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, lets hope that the track is better than than horrible thing that they did at Indy. Terry Stetler From billb at bnj.com Tue May 25 19:13:04 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:13:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! In-Reply-To: <40337B4109254E219D37C8A8F250652B@latitudefb1e41> References: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> <40337B4109254E219D37C8A8F250652B@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <7C6ADAFD-0DB9-465B-B41C-64B4BAFD064E@bnj.com> Geez, some guys would complain if you hung them with a new rope. I want an F1 race in the US that isn't a joke. Austin sounds great to me. We'll go early and see more live music on a tuesday night than anywhere else has in a month. And then go see an amazing spectacle. Works for me. Beats the hell out of Indy. On May 25, 2010, at 6:06 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Yeah but.....we get a world class facility right here in central TX for the other 51 weeks of the year. > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" > To: "'RACER BUD'" ; "'Bob Kramer'" ; > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:22 PM > Subject: RE: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > > >> Oh Great, another Herman Tilke cookie-cutter race course to be built and >> countless millions of dollars going to line Bernie Ecclestone's deep >> pockets. >> >> It makes one wonder how long it will be before Bernie scratches the whole >> plan because he is not getting nearly as rich off the venture as he >> originally thought. >> >> And will USF1 actually field a car by the time the track is built? >> >> Skeptically, >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of RACER BUD >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:05 PM >> To: Bob Kramer; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >> >> Wooohoo!..my Son lives in Lakeway..30 miles from Austin!!... >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:54 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >> >> >>> Pack your bags...... >>> >>> Bob Kramer >>> Volente, TX >>> >>> Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch >>> excellence. >>> Vince Lombardi >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "yemington" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:32 PM >>> Subject: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >>> >>> >>>> I hope this isn't a cruel joke... >>>> >>>> http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: >>>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 25 19:15:39 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:15:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! References: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> <40337B4109254E219D37C8A8F250652B@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <090362ABB13441669E96A6289114FEBA@Bud> It's Gonna Be Wonderful! It is Already Wonderful because it is POSITIVE!...RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" To: "Joe Curry" ; "'RACER BUD'" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > Yeah but.....we get a world class facility right here in central TX for > the other 51 weeks of the year. > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Curry" > To: "'RACER BUD'" ; "'Bob Kramer'" > ; > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:22 PM > Subject: RE: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! > > >> Oh Great, another Herman Tilke cookie-cutter race course to be built and >> countless millions of dollars going to line Bernie Ecclestone's deep >> pockets. >> >> It makes one wonder how long it will be before Bernie scratches the whole >> plan because he is not getting nearly as rich off the venture as he >> originally thought. >> >> And will USF1 actually field a car by the time the track is built? >> >> Skeptically, >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of RACER BUD >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:05 PM >> To: Bob Kramer; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >> >> Wooohoo!..my Son lives in Lakeway..30 miles from Austin!!... >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob Kramer" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:54 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >> >> >>> Pack your bags...... >>> >>> Bob Kramer >>> Volente, TX >>> >>> Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch >>> excellence. >>> Vince Lombardi >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "yemington" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:32 PM >>> Subject: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! >>> >>> >>>>I hope this isn't a cruel joke... >>>> >>>> http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: >>>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Tue May 25 19:24:26 2010 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:24:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wins at SCCA National In-Reply-To: <20100519.182614.3447.5@webmail21.dca.untd.com> References: <20100519.182614.3447.5@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <4BFC784A.3070709@twcny.rr.com> Great Story Joe! I got curious so I looked up a youtube your son posted: "worlds fastest TR3?"... Cheers, M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2wf2niBALQ&NR=1 Ok so there are always youtube "suggestions" this one came up - Its hard to watch in the beginning but it gets "interesting" toward the end... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f9QIalMoIM&feature=related From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 25 19:36:33 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:36:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! In-Reply-To: <7C6ADAFD-0DB9-465B-B41C-64B4BAFD064E@bnj.com> References: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> <40337B4109254E219D37C8A8F250652B@latitudefb1e41> <7C6ADAFD-0DB9-465B-B41C-64B4BAFD064E@bnj.com> Message-ID: Bernie Ecclestone has left me with a very distinct bad taste for the way F1 has been run. His only interest is getting richer (God, how many Billions does one man need before he dies). The first sign that anything is not going his way, he pulls the rug out from under the event, leaving the people who worked so hard to make it happen with nothing but faded memories. I too hope that it will last but so many things have happened over the years to make me feel that it will. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:13 PM To: Bob Kramer Cc: Joe Curry; 'RACER BUD'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! Geez, some guys would complain if you hung them with a new rope. I want an F1 race in the US that isn't a joke. Austin sounds great to me. We'll go early and see more live music on a tuesday night than anywhere else has in a month. And then go see an amazing spectacle. Works for me. Beats the hell out of Indy. From walt at hot-tr6.com Tue May 25 20:06:42 2010 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:06:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Needed 1 Panasport Wheel-TR6 Message-ID: <20100526020541.1C72B187888@autox.team.net> If any FOT member can spare one Panasport wheel for my TR6 I need a bolt on 15X6. If interested please contact me directly at: walt at hot-tr6.com Thank You Walt Hollowell Abq., NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 105110 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Tue May 25 20:11:49 2010 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! In-Reply-To: References: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> <40337B4109254E219D37C8A8F250652B@latitudefb1e41> <7C6ADAFD-0DB9-465B-B41C-64B4BAFD064E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <796000.5088.qm@web46105.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> lets see. Watkins Glen, Long Beach, Phoenix, Detroit, Dallas, Indy. Did I miss any. The F1 sanctioning fee was 20 million US for Indy. I think that added up to about $100 per ticket for the US GP at Indy based on 200,000 tickets sold. The Hulman family paid the fee. Most countries pay the fee. That is why we see more and more F1 in the middle east. I was fortunate to see the Tyrell 6 wheel car run in Watkins Glen and make two of the F1 races in Indy. It is hard for promoters to make money in this country on F1. The world wide tv audiance is 600 million per event. Off to Indy this weekend for my 31st 500 in a row. Mike Mehl ________________________________ From: Joe Curry To: Bill Babcock ; Bob Kramer Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 6:36:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! Bernie Ecclestone has left me with a very distinct bad taste for the way F1 has been run. His only interest is getting richer (God, how many Billions does one man need before he dies). The first sign that anything is not going his way, he pulls the rug out from under the event, leaving the people who worked so hard to make it happen with nothing but faded memories. I too hope that it will last but so many things have happened over the years to make me feel that it will. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:13 PM To: Bob Kramer Cc: Joe Curry; 'RACER BUD'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [cvar_general] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! Geez, some guys would complain if you hung them with a new rope. I want an F1 race in the US that isn't a joke. Austin sounds great to me. We'll go early and see more live music on a tuesday night than anywhere else has in a month. And then go see an amazing spectacle. Works for me. Beats the hell out of Indy. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com From spyderweb at uwalumni.com Tue May 25 20:35:06 2010 From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (Jim Hill) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:35:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] US F1 Grand Prix in Austin !?! In-Reply-To: <796000.5088.qm@web46105.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <092D5BEC9563406D91C2FB4EE848C537@joepentiumnew> <40337B4109254E219D37C8A8F250652B@latitudefb1e41> <7C6ADAFD-0DB9-465B-B41C-64B4BAFD064E@bnj.com> <796000.5088.qm@web46105.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike Mehl wrote: > lets see. Watkins Glen, Long Beach, Phoenix, Detroit, Dallas, Indy. Did I > miss any. Just a few: Sebring (1959) Riverside USA (1960) Las Vegas (1981 & 1982) Jim Hill From list at mackenzie.aero Tue May 25 21:06:46 2010 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 22:06:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts Message-ID: <000501cafc80$7a7df910$6f79eb30$@aero> I have been building up a performance 1500 engine for my '79 Spitfire street/autocross car. Starting with a early 1500 block with flat-top pistons, I had all the spinning bits dynamically balanced and installed one of Ted's 275-4 cams. 9:1 CR topped off with a ported head with custom bee-hive valve springs by Costa Mesa R&D. All in all a solid but not over the top spec looking more towards reliability and drivability over outright performance. One choice I made was to stick with a stock flywheel. When I installed it I used new bolts from a reputable specialist vendor. I have heard that one should not re-use the original bolts and I have also read the ARP bolts are higher in shear strength but tend to be brittle and break. The engine ran fine on first start but after a 45 min run-in the first time I opened the throttle and brought it up to some serious RPM (5500 +) the flywheel bolts failed. Questions: What is everybody else using in their full race motors? Could this just be a bad bolt or two? What are your thoughts on APR vs stock hardware? Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed May 26 06:06:52 2010 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 07:06:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F750@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I've been using ARP flywheel bolts in my Spitfire and have had no trouble with them. Scott B. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue May 25 22:06:46 2010 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts I have been building up a performance 1500 engine for my '79 Spitfire street/autocross car. Starting with a early 1500 block with flat-top pistons, I had all the spinning bits dynamically balanced and installed one of Ted's 275-4 cams. 9:1 CR topped off with a ported head with custom bee-hive valve springs by Costa Mesa R&D. All in all a solid but not over the top spec looking more towards reliability and drivability over outright performance. One choice I made was to stick with a stock flywheel. When I installed it I used new bolts from a reputable specialist vendor. I have heard that one should not re-use the original bolts and I have also read the ARP bolts are higher in shear strength but tend to be brittle and break. The engine ran fine on first start but after a 45 min run-in the first time I opened the throttle and brought it up to some serious RPM (5500 +) the flywheel bolts failed. Questions: What is everybody else using in their full race motors? Could this just be a bad bolt or two? What are your thoughts on APR vs stock hardware? Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed May 26 08:42:14 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <1828582338.1278921274884934125.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Greetings FoT I would like to nominate Tyler Thompson to the ranks. He races the # 413 TR-4 with the RMVR and is already proving to be quite quick. Tyler and his son are also doing a ground-up resto on a TR-4 street car. Tyler would like to join us at Topeka in August. Do I have a second ? Jim G tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed May 26 08:46:16 2010 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 07:46:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SPAM-LOW: Spitfire Flywheel Bolts References: <000501cafc80$7a7df910$6f79eb30$@aero> Message-ID: I use the ARP bolts for a 350 Chevy for my TR6. I believe they are the same as Spits. I did break the heads off of 3 out of 4 one time but have had no problems since then. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 8:06 PM Subject: SPAM-LOW: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts >I have been building up a performance 1500 engine for my '79 Spitfire > street/autocross car. > Starting with a early 1500 block with flat-top pistons, I had all the > spinning bits dynamically balanced and installed one of Ted's 275-4 cams. > 9:1 CR topped off with a ported head with custom bee-hive valve springs > by > Costa Mesa R&D. All in all a solid but not over the top spec looking more > towards reliability and drivability over outright performance. > One choice I made was to stick with a stock flywheel. When I installed it > I > used new bolts from a reputable specialist vendor. I have heard that one > should not re-use the original bolts and I have also read the ARP bolts > are > higher in shear strength but tend to be brittle and break. > The engine ran fine on first start but after a 45 min run-in the first > time > I opened the throttle and brought it up to some serious RPM (5500 +) the > flywheel bolts failed. > > Questions: > What is everybody else using in their full race motors? > Could this just be a bad bolt or two? > What are your thoughts on APR vs stock hardware? > > Robert MacKenzie > NASS # 511 > Austin Texas > '79 1500 (street) > '62 Spitfire 4 (race) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed May 26 09:36:29 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:36:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401A7F750@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <564F4814BCE7400083D82BB6BEB44C40@TOSHIBALAPTOP> ARP Bolts and the crank and flywheel have been drilled and the crank tapped for 3 additional bolts. 7 bolts and 1 dowel pin. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 5:07 AM To: robert at mackenzie.aero; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts I've been using ARP flywheel bolts in my Spitfire and have had no trouble with them. Scott B. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue May 25 22:06:46 2010 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts I have been building up a performance 1500 engine for my '79 Spitfire street/autocross car. Starting with a early 1500 block with flat-top pistons, I had all the spinning bits dynamically balanced and installed one of Ted's 275-4 cams. 9:1 CR topped off with a ported head with custom bee-hive valve springs by Costa Mesa R&D. All in all a solid but not over the top spec looking more towards reliability and drivability over outright performance. One choice I made was to stick with a stock flywheel. When I installed it I used new bolts from a reputable specialist vendor. I have heard that one should not re-use the original bolts and I have also read the ARP bolts are higher in shear strength but tend to be brittle and break. The engine ran fine on first start but after a 45 min run-in the first time I opened the throttle and brought it up to some serious RPM (5500 +) the flywheel bolts failed. Questions: What is everybody else using in their full race motors? Could this just be a bad bolt or two? What are your thoughts on APR vs stock hardware? Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From cofrog at q.com Wed May 26 09:38:17 2010 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:38:17 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1828582338.1278921274884934125.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1828582338.1278921274884934125.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I second. Ty and his son are good people. Ty is going quite fast in his first year of racing with RMVR. > Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:42:14 +0000 > From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > Greetings FoT > > I would like to nominate Tyler Thompson to the ranks. He races the # 413 TR-4 with the RMVR and is already proving to be > > quite quick. Tyler and his son are also doing a ground-up resto on a TR-4 street car. Tyler would like to join us at Topeka > > in August. > > > > Do I have a second ? > > > > Jim G > > > > > tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From dave at microworks.net Wed May 26 09:57:14 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:57:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question Message-ID: <1050676CE457467EBD2362E560D5CF09@sys> I'm wondering if the heavy duty ramps I have for my open trailer are too heavy duty (and just plain heavy) What weight rating should be sufficient for loading a TR3 (or other smaller car/sedan) From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed May 26 11:18:52 2010 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 10:18:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question References: <1050676CE457467EBD2362E560D5CF09@sys> Message-ID: <43D9141DF7D6443A8019F772DFFB96B7@Charly> Funny thing you should ask. I use fir 2X12's 8' long to load my TR6. You just need to take care of them. And look for splits and keep them painted. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Riddle" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:57 AM Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question > I'm wondering if the heavy duty ramps I have for my open trailer are too > heavy duty (and just plain heavy) > > > > What weight rating should be sufficient for loading a TR3 (or other > smaller > car/sedan) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 26 12:16:31 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:16:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: <43D9141DF7D6443A8019F772DFFB96B7@Charly> References: <1050676CE457467EBD2362E560D5CF09@sys> <43D9141DF7D6443A8019F772DFFB96B7@Charly> Message-ID: <8CCCB16B34251D5-17A0-1550@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Funny thing you should ask. I have a set that came with my new trailer. They are heavy and overbuilt. I am going to go back to the fabricator and have a pair made to my requirements. At the end of the day, I am not excited about wrestling around ramps that will support a Bobcat or Forklift. Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Charly Mitchel To: Dave Riddle ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 12:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question Funny thing you should ask. I use fir 2X12's 8' long to load my TR6. You just need to take care of them. And look for splits and keep them painted. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed May 26 13:03:10 2010 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 12:03:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: <1050676CE457467EBD2362E560D5CF09@sys> Message-ID: <8110B2796E8C419F96B9BF237BDB139D@TOSHIBALAPTOP> I've got a friend who has some really neat lightweight trailer ramps. They're made out of some sort of reinforced foam. He uses them to put a 914 into a toy hauler type trailer. A quick google search for foam trailer ramps shows that they're called "Race Ramps" and are available from Summit for a bit over $300. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Riddle Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:57 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question I'm wondering if the heavy duty ramps I have for my open trailer are too heavy duty (and just plain heavy) What weight rating should be sufficient for loading a TR3 (or other smaller car/sedan) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed May 26 16:19:17 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:19:17 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question Message-ID: <15347775.1274912357773.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Some of the guys out here use wooden planks from bleachers to load up their cars. I remember getting many slivers as a kid because it was my job to slide the wooden ramps out of the trailer and into position. Now I have aluminum ramps that were custom made and instead of splinters, I get greasy hands because my car leaks onto them. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Dave Riddle >Sent: May 26, 2010 8:57 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question > >I'm wondering if the heavy duty ramps I have for my open trailer are too >heavy duty (and just plain heavy) > > > >What weight rating should be sufficient for loading a TR3 (or other smaller >car/sedan) >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed May 26 18:53:16 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 18:53:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: <8110B2796E8C419F96B9BF237BDB139D@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <1050676CE457467EBD2362E560D5CF09@sys> <8110B2796E8C419F96B9BF237BDB139D@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: Dambach ramps makes either flat or cambered 5' aluminum ramps for 70.00 each. They are rated for 1250 each I've been using them and they are great and super light. I carry them both in one hand. Here's the link http://www.dambachramps.com/sc ripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=3 236 Good luck Jim G -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team .net] On Behalf Of Norlin Engineering Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:03 PM To: 'Dave Riddle'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question I've got a friend who has some really neat lightweight trailer ramps. They're made out of some sort of reinforced foam. He uses them to put a 914 into a toy hauler type trailer. A quick google search for foam trailer ramps shows that they're called "Race Ramps" and are available from Summit for a bit over $300. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team .net] On Behalf Of Dave Riddle Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:57 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question I'm wondering if the heavy duty ramps I have for my open trailer are too heavy duty (and just plain heavy) What weight rating should be sufficient for loading a TR3 (or other smaller car/sedan) ______________________________ _________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htm l Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ options/fot/norlinengineering@ comcast.net ______________________________ _________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htm l Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ options/fot/toodamnfunky at comca st.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed May 26 19:54:54 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 01:54:54 GMT Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll Message-ID: <20100526.215454.7232.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> I am using Performace Friction pads up front in the 01 compound. They are long lasting (few years at least), easy on the rotors and great stopping power. Not sure what configurations they have for TR calipers, since I am using Jag calipers. Used Porterfield R4 before I coverted to Jag calipers. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 20:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Greetings FoT I'm just taking a poll of what brake pads & shoes are being used. I have been using the Porterfield vintage compound on the front because of exceptional initial bite. Unfortunately the last two times I raced the car on freshly turned rotors with new pads I end up cooking the pads & rotorsB in a single weekend. I'm not ready to throw Porterfield under the proverbial busB but so far I'm not seeing anything in the front end or calipers that would cause the problem. Both times the rotors scored up pretty bad all the way across. The pads have a gap at the outboard edge of the pads ( top )B and snug at the inboard side. The smell of cooked brakes is present and blue rings toward the inboard edges of the rotors. Chunks of pad missing, pads glazed. The rears have performed great, no problems. I had to use the brakes so hard over the 15th & 16th I still have a prononced limp, no joke. I do have Uncle Jack's spindles and have a real good pedal, no fade or kickback. Thanks for the input, Jim G. ____________________________________________________________ PennyStocks Soaring 600% Sign up for FREE email alerts on stocks that jump 600% and more! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bfdd107c813e1076f2st06duc From mark at bradakis.com Wed May 26 20:02:43 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 20:02:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nominations Message-ID: <4BFDD2C3.1020402@bradakis.com> Okay, NOW I think I have added all the recent nominees. As a reminder remember that to add an email address to the list, I need the email address. Rocket surgery, I know. On a vaguely related note I was digging through piles of papers on my desk and uncovered a cache of Team.Net checks from the 2002 fund drive. Gee, think I should cash them? I try to be more prompt in my business matters these days, but stuff happens. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Wed May 26 20:08:02 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 20:08:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll In-Reply-To: <20100526.215454.7232.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> References: <20100526.215454.7232.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <4BFDD402.1000003@bradakis.com> I was using Ted's kevlar brakes on Killer the last year I raced. They worked quite well for the roughly 20 minute, 20 mile sessions we ran at IVR. But with the motor chewing up a bearing and me losing my job I didn't get a chance to see how well they lasted for a season. mjb. From list at mackenzie.aero Wed May 26 20:09:18 2010 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 21:09:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts - Part 2 Message-ID: <002b01cafd41$9db77cf0$d92676d0$@aero> Thanks to everybody for the advice I received today. I pulled the gearbox earlier today and the clutch and flywheel fell on to the floor. Never a good sign. The four flywheel retaining bolts and the pin in the crankshaft have sheared off flush with the end of the crank. I think I should be able to extract the broken bolts out but I could use some recommendations on how to remove the broken pin. Is it just pressed in place? Robert From spitlist at cox.net Wed May 26 20:19:26 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 19:19:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts - Part 2 In-Reply-To: <002b01cafd41$9db77cf0$d92676d0$@aero> References: <002b01cafd41$9db77cf0$d92676d0$@aero> Message-ID: I'd just drill it out and press in a new one. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 7:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts - Part 2 Thanks to everybody for the advice I received today. I pulled the gearbox earlier today and the clutch and flywheel fell on to the floor. Never a good sign. The four flywheel retaining bolts and the pin in the crankshaft have sheared off flush with the end of the crank. I think I should be able to extract the broken bolts out but I could use some recommendations on how to remove the broken pin. Is it just pressed in place? Robert _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From list at mackenzie.aero Wed May 26 20:25:01 2010 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 21:25:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts - Part 2.1 Message-ID: <003001cafd43$cfca7ab0$6f5f7010$@aero> Posted a photo on the FOT Facebook page if you want to see what I am dealing with. From cwnfot at gmail.com Wed May 26 21:32:16 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 23:32:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Anyone remember Timothy Baker, Spitfire racer Message-ID: <003f01cafd4d$35161830$9f424890$@com> I came across an ex-racer today, Timothy Baker, who drove an early Mk4 Spitfire (car built 1969). He raced until around 1980 I think. More details and items of interest to follow. Anyone remember him from the old days? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Thu May 27 06:04:02 2010 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 05:04:02 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts - Part 2 Message-ID: <12267165.1274961842779.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi Robert, what I have seen is when the flywheel comes loose it vibrates and shears the bolts and pin. You should always use loctite and torque them to spec. Chances are your flywheel is bad from the vibration. I have Alloy flywheels for the Spitfires if you need one. thanks Joe -----Original Message----- >From: Robert MacKenzie >Sent: May 26, 2010 7:09 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Flywheel Bolts - Part 2 > >Thanks to everybody for the advice I received today. >I pulled the gearbox earlier today and the clutch and flywheel fell on to >the floor. Never a good sign. >The four flywheel retaining bolts and the pin in the crankshaft have sheared >off flush with the end of > the crank. >I think I should be able to extract the broken bolts out but I could use >some recommendations on how to remove the broken pin. >Is it just pressed in place? > >Robert >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsiam1 at earthlink.net > > Chequered Flag Racing .net Joseph P. Siam 9833 Deering Ave unit I Chatsworth Ca 91311 818 350 6222 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu May 27 08:03:16 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: <70e4a.14474f21.392fd274@aol.com> Message-ID: <1666848375.1634511274968996527.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> That's 1250 per ramp . That's 2500 combined, only 1/2 the car weight is on the ramps at any given moment. My car weighs in at aboutB # 2400. I have a 3100 lb corvette that I wouldn't think twice about loading with them. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:49:40 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In a message dated 05/26/2010 8:14:29 PM Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: Dambach ramps makes either flat or cambered 5' aluminum ramps for 70.00 each. They are rated for 1250 each I've been using them and they are great and super light. I carry them both in one hand. While I like everything else about them, I read that as 1,250 pounds total load capacity (625 pounds each).B That'd be too light for my race cars. Bill Dentinger Dambach ramps makes either flat or cambered 5' aluminum ramps for 70.00 each. They are rated for 1250 each I've been using them and they are great and super light. I carry them both in one hand. While I like everything else about them, I read that as 1,250 pounds total load capacity (625 pounds each).B That'd be too light for my race cars. Bill Dentinger From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 27 08:12:06 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 16:12:06 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: <1666848375.1634511274968996527.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <70e4a.14474f21.392fd274@aol.com> <1666848375.1634511274968996527.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000701cafda6$97de09b0$c79a1d10$@com> Why not taking a wooden plank? I use that from time to time and lend it from another driver if he is around. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Mai 2010 16:03 An: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot Betreff: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question That's 1250 per ramp . That's 2500 combined, only 1/2 the car weight is on the ramps at any given moment. My car weighs in at aboutB # 2400. I have a 3100 lb corvette that I wouldn't think twice about loading with them. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:49:40 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In a message dated 05/26/2010 8:14:29 PM Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: Dambach ramps makes either flat or cambered 5' aluminum ramps for 70.00 each. They are rated for 1250 each I've been using them and they are great and super light. I carry them both in one hand. While I like everything else about them, I read that as 1,250 pounds total load capacity (625 pounds each).B That'd be too light for my race cars. Bill Dentinger Dambach ramps makes either flat or cambered 5' aluminum ramps for 70.00 each. They are rated for 1250 each I've been using them and they are great and super light. I carry them both in one hand. While I like everything else about them, I read that as 1,250 pounds total load capacity (625 pounds each).B That'd be too light for my race cars. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tedtsimx at bright.net Thu May 27 10:33:35 2010 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:33:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll In-Reply-To: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4BFE9EDF.9090008@bright.net> We supply Kevlar or carbon Kevlar pads. The carbon Kevlar has a ceramic heat shield built into the pads between the back of the friction material and the steel backing plate.Reduces heat transfer to the caliper. Kevlar shoes as well Both materials are a drum/rotor friendly compound that does not need to be warmed up. Commercially, Ted toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Greetings FoT > > > > I'm just taking a poll of what brake pads & shoes are being used. I have been > > using the Porterfield vintage compound on the front because of exceptional > > initial bite. Unfortunately the last two times I raced the car on freshly > turned > > rotors with new pads I end up cooking the pads & rotorsB in a single weekend. > > I'm not ready to throw Porterfield under the proverbial busB but so far I'm > not seeing > > anything in the front end or calipers that would cause the problem. > > Both times the rotors scored up pretty bad all the way across. > > The pads have a gap at the outboard edge of the pads ( top )B and snug at the > inboard side. > > The smell of cooked brakes is present and blue rings toward the inboard edges > > of the rotors. Chunks of pad missing, pads glazed. The rears have performed > great, > > no problems. I had to use the brakes so hard over the 15th & 16th I still have > a prononced limp, > > no joke. I do have Uncle Jack's spindles and have a real good pedal, no fade > or kickback. > > > > Thanks for the input, > > Jim G. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx at bright.net > > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu May 27 10:38:42 2010 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:38:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: <8CCCB16B34251D5-17A0-1550@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> References: <1050676CE457467EBD2362E560D5CF09@sys>, <43D9141DF7D6443A8019F772DFFB96B7@Charly>, <8CCCB16B34251D5-17A0-1550@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: My previous trailer had ramps that took two men and a boy to move around. I mounted two casters to a piece of c-channel and would pin it to the end of the ramp. I could then pull the ramp out and wheel it around to to end of the trailer, pop off the caster arrangement and drive the car up. My ramps on that trailer stored in through the side not the back so it made it much easier. Marty > To: charly at mitchelplumbing.com; dave at microworks.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:16:31 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question > > Funny thing you should ask. I have a set that came with my new trailer. They > are heavy and overbuilt. I am going to go back to the fabricator and have a > pair made to my requirements. At the end of the day, I am not excited about > wrestling around ramps that will support a Bobcat or Forklift. > > Joe A > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charly Mitchel > To: Dave Riddle ; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 12:18 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question > > > Funny thing you should ask. I use fir 2X12's 8' long to load my TR6. You just > need to take care of them. And look for splits and keep them painted. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu May 27 11:05:56 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:05:56 EDT Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question Message-ID: <8a167.2290f436.39300074@cs.com> When my ramps need wheels, I am going to retire.... :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- My previous trailer had ramps that took two men and a boy to move around. I mounted two casters to a piece of c-channel and would pin it to the end of the ramp. I could then pull the ramp out and wheel it around to to end of the trailer, pop off the caster arrangement and drive the car up. My ramps on that trailer stored in through the side not the back so it made it much easier. From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 27 11:29:58 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:29:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question References: <8a167.2290f436.39300074@cs.com> Message-ID: <8A4F50B8A325481EACA222DC0A52CCE4@Bud> that's kinda what I was thinkin'....My ramps are waaay too heavy, but it keeps me going to the gym..(:>). Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question > When my ramps need wheels, I am going to retire.... :-) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------- > > My previous trailer had ramps that took two men and a boy to move around. > I > mounted two casters to a piece of c-channel and would pin it to the end of > the > ramp. I could then pull the ramp out and wheel it around to to end of the > trailer, pop off the caster arrangement and drive the car up. My ramps on > that > trailer stored in through the side not the back so it made it much easier. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From rocky at spitfire4.com Thu May 27 12:27:26 2010 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:27:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question References: <70e4a.14474f21.392fd274@aol.com><1666848375.1634511274968996527.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <000701cafda6$97de09b0$c79a1d10$@com> Message-ID: The guy who homebuilt my trailer (originally for his MGB) did it with 4' wooden ramps. He designed a nice metal ramp-end that hooks into the end of the trailer, to which I can bolt (and replace as needed) the wooden ramps. Nowadays I've stretched them to 5' so the ramp is not as steep -- I buy a 10' 2x8 and cut it in half. I tried treated wood once but didn't like it because it was so heavy, so went back to regular pine. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question > Why not taking a wooden plank? > I use that from time to time and lend it from another driver if he is > around. > > Chris From BillDentin at aol.com Thu May 27 13:07:02 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 15:07:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question Message-ID: In a message dated 05/27/2010 9:03:18 AM Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: > That's 1250 per ramp. That's 2500 combined, only 1/2 the car weight is on > the ramps at any given moment. My car weighs in at about # 2400. I have a > 3100 lb corvette that I wouldn't think twice about loading with them. > Interesting. I revisited the website and see that while a pair of ramps is shown in the picture, the description is definitely for just one (-1-) and lists 1,250 lbs as the total weight. A pair of them would then rate 2,500 lbs and certainly handle my TR3. I also did not consider that with five foot ramps while only one set of wheels is on the ramps at any one time, they are not dealing with the car's total weight. Now I am using 2x12 white oak boards with aluminum ends. They are dressed, or finished so they're a lot closer to 1 1/2x11 in actual size and 8/4" long. They are heavy, but I can still manage them. My Pace American box trailer does not have a ramp door, but is quite low to the ground, and with 8'4'" ramps it is easy to push cars in. But I must say, those aluminum ramps look very interesting. The five foot length would impact the pitch. Do you use a winch to load? I have one, but I almost never use it, as it is a piece of cake for two people to load without. Bill Dentinger From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu May 27 14:20:13 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20059770.1786301274991613687.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Bill, I drive it on but I have other loading challenges that are more of a side issue. My frame to ground clearance is less than 3.5". On top of that I have a lame header ( for the time being ) that reduces that by another inch. So I have to raise the tounge and that sort of thing. Until I build my new header I use the ramps in conjunction with my trailer ramp. For the price you can't beat them with a stick and come sunday night that light weight makes life a bit easier. I shopped for ramps for a couple weeks before I found the Dumbachs. Everything else I found in aluminum was double the price I paid. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:07:02 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In a message dated 05/27/2010 9:03:18 AM Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: That's 1250 per ramp . That's 2500 combined, only 1/2 the car weight is on the ramps at any given moment. My car weighs in at about # 2400. I have a 3100 lb corvette that I wouldn't think twice about loading with them. Interesting.B I revisited the website and see that while a pair of ramps is shown in the picture, the description is definitely for just one (-1-) and lists 1,250 lbs as the total weight.B A pair of them would then rate 2,500 lbs and certainly handle my TR3.B I also did not consider that with five foot ramps while only one set of wheels is on the ramps at any one time, they are not dealing with the car's total weight.B Now I am using 2x12 white oak boards with aluminum ends.B They are dressed, or finished so they're a lot closer to 1 1/2x11 in actual size and 8/4" long.B They are heavy, but I can still manage them.B My Pace American box trailer does not have a ramp door, but is quite low to the ground, and with 8'4'" ramps it is easy to push cars in. But I must say, those aluminum ramps look very interesting.B The five foot length would impact the pitch.B Do you use a winch to load?B I have one, but I almost never use it, as it is a piece of cake for two people to load without. Bill Dentinger B B That's 1250 per ramp . That's 2500 combined, only 1/2 the car weight is on the ramps at any given moment. My car weighs in at about # 2400. I have a 3100 lb corvette that I wouldn't think twice about loading with them. Interesting.B I revisited the website and see that while a pair of ramps is shown in the picture, the description is definitely for just one (-1-) and lists 1,250 lbs as the total weight.B A pair of them would then rate 2,500 lbs and certainly handle my TR3.B I also did not consider that with five foot ramps while only one set of wheels is on the ramps at any one time, they are not dealing with the car's total weight.B Now I am using 2x12 white oak boards with aluminum ends.B They are dressed, or finished so they're a lot closer to 1 1/2x11 in actual size and 8/4" long.B They are heavy, but I can still manage them.B My Pace American box trailer does not have a ramp door, but is quite low to the ground, and with 8'4'" ramps it is easy to push cars in. But I must say, those aluminum ramps look very interesting.B The five foot length would impact the pitch.B Do you use a winch to load?B I have one, but I almost never use it, as it is a piece of cake for two people to load without. Bill Dentinger B B From cwnfot at gmail.com Thu May 27 15:11:27 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:11:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 Message-ID: <004201cafde1$2c9ee440$85dcacc0$@com> Just wondering if there will be a FOT presence at the Mosport vintage event June 18-19-20? I understand Bill Rampe will be there with Tony Fox crewing. I'll be there crewing for a 1951 MGTD. (search youtube for Frank Filangeri) http://www.varac.ca/pdfs/2010%20VARAC%20FEST%20ENTRY.pdf Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From andre at gt6.ca Thu May 27 15:16:28 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:16:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 In-Reply-To: <004201cafde1$2c9ee440$85dcacc0$@com> References: <004201cafde1$2c9ee440$85dcacc0$@com> Message-ID: Errr not really FOT worthy, but I'll be there :) A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 27 May 2010 17:11, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > Just wondering if there will be a FOT presence at the Mosport vintage event > June 18-19-20? > > I understand Bill Rampe will be there with Tony Fox crewing. > > I'll be there crewing for a 1951 MGTD. > > (search youtube for Frank Filangeri) > > http://www.varac.ca/pdfs/2010%20VARAC%20FEST%20ENTRY.pdf > > > > Clark > > Clark W. Nicholls > > 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) > > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu May 27 16:53:36 2010 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 18:53:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <967604.72871.qm@smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Worthy enough...you're a Triumph guy, vintage racing....that's enough for now. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: May 27, 2010 5:16 PM To: Clark W. Nicholls Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 Errr not really FOT worthy, but I'll be there :) A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 27 May 2010 17:11, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > Just wondering if there will be a FOT presence at the Mosport vintage event > June 18-19-20? > > I understand Bill Rampe will be there with Tony Fox crewing. > > I'll be there crewing for a 1951 MGTD. > > (search youtube for Frank Filangeri) > > http://www.varac.ca/pdfs/2010%20VARAC%20FEST%20ENTRY.pdf > > > > Clark > > Clark W. Nicholls > > 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) > > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu May 27 18:20:53 2010 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:20:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 References: <967604.72871.qm@smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I for one would like to return to Mosport another time. The FOT event there in 2003 (?) was a lot of fun and to be at such an historic track was a check off the bucket list. Yep it's very worthy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "macdonaldp" To: "'Andre Rousseau'" ; "'Clark W. Nicholls'" Cc: "'FoT Triumph'" Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 > Worthy enough...you're a Triumph guy, vintage racing....that's enough for > now. > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Andre Rousseau > Sent: May 27, 2010 5:16 PM > To: Clark W. Nicholls > Cc: FoT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 > > Errr not really FOT worthy, but I'll be there :) > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > > > On 27 May 2010 17:11, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >> Just wondering if there will be a FOT presence at the Mosport vintage > event >> June 18-19-20? >> >> I understand Bill Rampe will be there with Tony Fox crewing. >> >> I'll be there crewing for a 1951 MGTD. >> >> (search youtube for Frank Filangeri) >> >> http://www.varac.ca/pdfs/2010%20VARAC%20FEST%20ENTRY.pdf >> >> >> >> Clark >> >> Clark W. Nicholls >> >> 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) >> >> "Reality, it's not what you think." >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From andre at gt6.ca Thu May 27 19:00:58 2010 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:00:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 In-Reply-To: References: <967604.72871.qm@smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Its the 50th anniversary for the track to boot. A. On 27 May 2010 20:20, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: > I for one would like to return to Mosport another time. The FOT event there > in 2003 (?) was a lot of fun and to be at such an historic track was a check > off the bucket list. Yep it's very worthy. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "macdonaldp" > To: "'Andre Rousseau'" ; "'Clark W. Nicholls'" > > Cc: "'FoT Triumph'" > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 > > >> Worthy enough...you're a Triumph guy, vintage racing....that's enough for >> now. >> >> Paul >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Andre Rousseau >> Sent: May 27, 2010 5:16 PM >> To: Clark W. Nicholls >> Cc: FoT Triumph >> Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT at Mosport VARAC event, June 18-19-20 >> >> Errr not really FOT worthy, but I'll be there :) >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> >> >> >> On 27 May 2010 17:11, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >>> >>> Just wondering if there will be a FOT presence at the Mosport vintage >> >> event >>> >>> June 18-19-20? >>> >>> I understand Bill Rampe will be there with Tony Fox crewing. >>> >>> I'll be there crewing for a 1951 MGTD. >>> >>> (search youtube for Frank Filangeri) >>> >>> http://www.varac.ca/pdfs/2010%20VARAC%20FEST%20ENTRY.pdf >>> >>> >>> >>> Clark >>> >>> Clark W. Nicholls >>> >>> 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) >>> >>> "Reality, it's not what you think." >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andre at gt6.ca >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com >> >> >> > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca http://twitter.com/andrerousseau - http://andrerousseau.wordpress.com/ '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ #515 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 27 19:41:41 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:41:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Message-ID: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> FOT list members: I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand all of the features and what they do. When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET BIRDMEN.' With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is difficult to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately highly regarded. So........ What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or another. Thanks! Joe A From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 27 19:49:50 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 18:49:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2D108A36A8EB49B18F58D70222A07562@Bud> Hi Joe...I don't know...I may also be 'unclued'...We need help/advice from the..FOT Youngsters. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:41 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > FOT list members: > > I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand > all > of the features and what they do. > > When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and > largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET > BIRDMEN.' > > With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is > difficult > to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately > highly > regarded. > > So........ > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > > I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or > another. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 27 20:01:15 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:01:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <2D108A36A8EB49B18F58D70222A07562@Bud> References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <2D108A36A8EB49B18F58D70222A07562@Bud> Message-ID: <8CCCC20CA2DC4DB-17C-50D7@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> I like the FB postings and pictures. It is another dimension of communication I enjoyed looking at yours tonight. But how do I know you are an FOT? (of course I do) rhetorical question. Or does it matter? thanks! -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD To: fot at autox.team.net; n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 8:49 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Hi Joe...I don't know...I may also be 'unclued'...We need help/advice from the..FOT Youngsters. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:41 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > FOT list members: > > I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand > all > of the features and what they do. > > When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and > largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET > BIRDMEN.' > > With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is > difficult > to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately > highly > regarded. > > So........ > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > > I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or > another. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From dave at microworks.net Thu May 27 20:02:25 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:02:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <2D108A36A8EB49B18F58D70222A07562@Bud> References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <2D108A36A8EB49B18F58D70222A07562@Bud> Message-ID: <2DD7C8B34D344CAC99F26A9BDD4BB76E@sys> Welll... Since I created the group I guess I'll answer. Being an invite List only kept it low key for sure, but the website certainly would have increased exposure. Having a "portal" on FB allows members to share videos and photos. Those items are stripped for good reason from list messages and would be a bit much to ask of Mordy to add on an ongoing basis to the website. Plus you can always "share" other members pixs of the toys with your other FB friends. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:50 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; n197tr4 at cs.com Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Hi Joe...I don't know...I may also be 'unclued'...We need help/advice from the..FOT Youngsters. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:41 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > FOT list members: > > I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand > all > of the features and what they do. > > When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and > largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET > BIRDMEN.' > > With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is > difficult > to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately > highly > regarded. > > So........ > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > > I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or > another. > > Thanks! > > Joe A From mlcooknj at msn.com Thu May 27 20:04:18 2010 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:04:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I suggest that FOT members read the latest issue of TIME magazine which has an article exposng some of the less desirable aspects of Facebook. I personally do not want to be in volved with Facebook in any way. Mike Cook > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:41:41 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > FOT list members: > > I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand all > of the features and what they do. > > When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and > largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET BIRDMEN.' > > With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is difficult > to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately highly > regarded. > > So........ > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > > I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or > another. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From dave at microworks.net Thu May 27 20:27:03 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:27:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5BA433D1A0234FE2BDACA64382BBF0C4@sys> This is funny considering that Time has a presence on FB http://www.facebook.com/time Here is an article that Time did last year on FB. Note the title of the Article. "Why Facebook Is for Old Fogies" http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1879169,00.html Since Time (printed on dead trees) like most other legacy media is a day late and a dollar short here is actually their "latest" info re: FB that they "published" today and not last week. http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/05/27/times-qa-with-facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerbe rg/ Here is the article from Time on Dead Tree that Michael was referring too http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1990582,00.html Note this quote from the article: "...Facebook represents a tremendous cultural shift, particularly since 28% of the site's users are older than 34, Facebook's fastest-growing demographic..." Any new technology has pluses and minuses. Paying your bills on-line is not without risk. I'll keep do that as long as I take normal precautions. For anyone that posts on FB (or does anything on the Internet) if you think what you are doing is private and that noone will see it than you are sadly mistaken. Anything I put up, be it on FB or my own personal site http://www.davesdroppings.com Imust anticipate that it could come back to me in the future. As long as you are comfortable with that you can live part of your live on-line. If you're not then don't. Choice is a great option. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael cook Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:04 PM To: Joe Alexander; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? I suggest that FOT members read the latest issue of TIME magazine which has an article exposng some of the less desirable aspects of Facebook. I personally do not want to be in volved with Facebook in any way. Mike Cook > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:41:41 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > FOT list members: > > I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand all > of the features and what they do. > > When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and > largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET BIRDMEN.' > > With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is difficult > to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately highly > regarded. > > So........ > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > > I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or > another. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dave at microworks.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 27 20:53:52 2010 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:53:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. Message-ID: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> I do dumb stuff sometimes....of course. A couple of weeks ago I started to prepare the TR3A for an oil change. Today, I carefully replaced the filter and filter body. Thinking I had already drained the pan, I poured 6 quarts of oil in the engine and checked the dipstick. Nope, that cant be right. The oil is dirty looking and reads high on the dipstick. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ I did something like this about 40 years ago with a Bugeye Sprite. Only this time I drained the oil and forgot to replace the drain plug. It took about four quart pour for that brand new oil to spread out to my shoes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- I doubt if BRITISH PETROLEUM would be very excited about my problems. From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 27 20:54:52 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:54:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <5BA433D1A0234FE2BDACA64382BBF0C4@sys> Message-ID: <8E197705FBCB48B68B5DD1406E37F306@Bud> I've been tryin' to get someone to steal my identity for years..(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Riddle" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > This is funny considering that Time has a presence on FB > > http://www.facebook.com/time > > Here is an article that Time did last year on FB. Note the title of the > Article. "Why Facebook Is for Old Fogies" > > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1879169,00.html > > Since Time (printed on dead trees) like most other legacy media is a day > late and a dollar short here is actually their "latest" info re: FB that > they "published" today and not last week. > > http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/05/27/times-qa-with-facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerbe > rg/ > > Here is the article from Time on Dead Tree that Michael was referring too > > http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1990582,00.html > > Note this quote from the article: "...Facebook represents a tremendous > cultural shift, particularly since 28% of the site's users are older than > 34, Facebook's fastest-growing demographic..." > > Any new technology has pluses and minuses. Paying your bills on-line is > not > without risk. I'll keep do that as long as I take normal precautions. > For > anyone that posts on FB (or does anything on the Internet) if you think > what > you are doing is private and that noone will see it than you are sadly > mistaken. Anything I put up, be it on FB or my own personal site > http://www.davesdroppings.com Imust anticipate that it could come back to > me > in the future. As long as you are comfortable with that you can live part > of your live on-line. If you're not then don't. Choice is a great > option. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of michael cook > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:04 PM > To: Joe Alexander; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > I suggest that FOT members read the latest issue of TIME magazine which > has > an > article exposng some of the less desirable aspects of Facebook. I > personally > do not want to be in volved with Facebook in any way. > > > > Mike Cook > >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:41:41 -0400 >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? >> >> FOT list members: >> >> I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand > all >> of the features and what they do. >> >> When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key >> and >> largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET > BIRDMEN.' >> >> With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is > difficult >> to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately > highly >> regarded. >> >> So........ >> >> What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? >> >> I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or >> another. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Joe A >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dave at microworks.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 27 20:56:18 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:56:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. References: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6B675031F0214429B17FEAAEAB70B6A1@Bud> Good job for havn' a great sense of Humor!! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:53 PM Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. >I do dumb stuff sometimes....of course. > > A couple of weeks ago I started to prepare the TR3A for an oil change. > > Today, I carefully replaced the filter and filter body. > > Thinking I had already drained the pan, I poured 6 quarts of oil in the > engine > and checked the dipstick. > > Nope, that cant be right. The oil is dirty looking and reads high on the > dipstick. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > I did something like this about 40 years ago with a Bugeye Sprite. > > Only this time I drained the oil and forgot to replace the drain plug. > > It took about four quart pour for that brand new oil to spread out to my > shoes. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > I doubt if BRITISH PETROLEUM would be very excited about my problems. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 27 21:07:42 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:07:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <8E197705FBCB48B68B5DD1406E37F306@Bud> References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <5BA433D1A0234FE2BDACA64382BBF0C4@sys> <8E197705FBCB48B68B5DD1406E37F306@Bud> Message-ID: <4BFF337E.5000309@bradakis.com> RACER BUD wrote: > I've been tryin' to get someone to steal my identity for years..(:>) Having been for the most part out of work for four and a half years, anyone who tries to hijack my credit rating deserves what they get! mjb. From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Thu May 27 21:19:28 2010 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <8E197705FBCB48B68B5DD1406E37F306@Bud> Message-ID: <660388.9451.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've been tryin' to get someone to steal my identity for years..(:>) Racer Bud anyone wants mine, theyre welcome to it also ... ;>))) Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Thu, 5/27/10, RACER BUD wrote: From: RACER BUD Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? To: "Dave Riddle" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 9:54 PM I've been tryin' to get someone to steal my identity for years..(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Riddle" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 27 21:30:42 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:30:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: References: <1050676CE457467EBD2362E560D5CF09@sys>, <43D9141DF7D6443A8019F772DFFB96B7@Charly>, <8CCCB16B34251D5-17A0-1550@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4BFF38E2.6060504@bradakis.com> I've got a custom built trailer for Spitfires that uses no ramps, it tilts. On many occasions I've climbed into the cockpit, fired it up and started to back down the trailer only to have someone rush up telling me to stop, I forgot the ramps. It is often quite humorous to watch their expression as I move the car back a few more inches and the tilt the trailer bed down. mjb. From kaskas at cox.net Thu May 27 21:29:44 2010 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:29:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100527232944.K2MZA.549137.imail@fed1rmwml29> You have got my vote on that. ---- michael cook wrote: ============= I suggest that FOT members read the latest issue of TIME magazine which has an article exposng some of the less desirable aspects of Facebook. I personally do not want to be in volved with Facebook in any way. Mike Cook > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:41:41 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > FOT list members: > > I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand all > of the features and what they do. > > When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and > largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET BIRDMEN.' > > With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is difficult > to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately highly > regarded. > > So........ > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > > I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or > another. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net -- Never be beaten by equipment From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 27 21:36:18 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:36:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. In-Reply-To: <6B675031F0214429B17FEAAEAB70B6A1@Bud> References: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <6B675031F0214429B17FEAAEAB70B6A1@Bud> Message-ID: <4BFF3A32.4080007@bradakis.com> >> Thinking I had already drained the pan, I poured 6 quarts of oil in >> the engine >> and checked the dipstick. >> >> Nope, that cant be right. The oil is dirty looking and reads high on the >> dipstick. Have you considered a career at JiffyLube? mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 27 21:39:21 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:39:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <660388.9451.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <684707198B4F45AE9B96BE8068B0B293@Bud> I'm not putting down Facebook or afraid of it.....I was just makin' a joke....I'm Happy to Embrace New Technology...I still like side curtained cars more than those with roll up windows, ..I also realize that without technology there would be no FOT....HAVE NO FEAR GANG....TAKE THE INSIDE LINE!....Wooohoo!..RB ----- Original Message ----- From: tom strange To: Dave Riddle ; fot at autox.team.net ; RACER BUD Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? I've been tryin' to get someone to steal my identity for years..(:>) Racer Bud anyone wants mine, theyre welcome to it also ... ;>))) Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Thu, 5/27/10, RACER BUD wrote: From: RACER BUD Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? To: "Dave Riddle" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 9:54 PM I've been tryin' to get someone to steal my identity for years..(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Riddle" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 27 21:42:50 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:42:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Seeya Gang Message-ID: <76A1B811C0404BC99ED48A4F34DB40EA@Bud> I'm hittin' the old Racer Bud Rack..Good Night Gang! RB From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 27 21:49:11 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:49:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Seeya Gang In-Reply-To: <76A1B811C0404BC99ED48A4F34DB40EA@Bud> References: <76A1B811C0404BC99ED48A4F34DB40EA@Bud> Message-ID: <4BFF3D37.8090607@bradakis.com> RACER BUD wrote: > I'm hittin' the old Racer Bud Rack..Good Night Gang! > Don't fall asleep with your face in a book. mjb. From gasket.works at gte.net Thu May 27 21:45:31 2010 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 03:45:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Message-ID: <1928869229-1275018329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-811164547-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> My opinion is that facebook although perhaps well intentioned has a darker side that is not entirely clear to me. This networked and interconnected program is something I have joined very reluctantly but, in a limited way. ------Original Message------ From: n197tr4 at cs.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Sent: May 27, 2010 6:41 PM FOT list members: I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand all of the features and what they do. When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET BIRDMEN.' With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is difficult to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately highly regarded. So........ What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or another. Thanks! Joe A _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From dave at microworks.net Thu May 27 22:02:27 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:02:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <1928869229-1275018329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-811164547-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1928869229-1275018329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-811164547-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: The world is indeed getting evermore interconnected. FB is "fun" if you treat it that way. Reconnecting with old real friends from High School and College Fraternity Brothers, etc.. I don't get nor do I want to get the on-line games that are available. I had mentioned I was amazed at the number of FOT that were on FB based on the data that can be gleaned from on-line services like LinkedIn and FB that show up automatically in the add-in I use with Outlook. FYI: up to 53 on the FB Group now Watch this video of the app to see what I mean http://www.xobni.com/learnmore/ With as interconnected and how easy it is to find this data anymore I would love to learn how difficult it is now to create cover stories or hide info for our operatives. Back in the day this was not something I had to worry about. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 8:46 PM To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? My opinion is that facebook although perhaps well intentioned has a darker side that is not entirely clear to me. This networked and interconnected program is something I have joined very reluctantly but, in a limited way. From billb at bnj.com Thu May 27 22:46:04 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:46:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <5BA433D1A0234FE2BDACA64382BBF0C4@sys> References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <5BA433D1A0234FE2BDACA64382BBF0C4@sys> Message-ID: <079DFF7A-24FC-4DCC-8A85-770A66FE1DBA@bnj.com> Very funny Dave, and very true. All of the new media is what you make of it. If you put things online that you don't want people to see, then you're a bit foolish. When we interview someone for a job the first thing we do is take a look at their online personality--wherever it's posted. And many people put themselves all over the web, not just facebook. Honestly, magazines are for Doctors offices. I can hardly believe that newspapers still exist. One look at the Popular Science application, the NPR app, or the Financial times app on an ipad and it's easy to see where magazines are headed. On May 27, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Dave Riddle wrote: > This is funny considering that Time has a presence on FB > > http://www.facebook.com/time From billb at bnj.com Thu May 27 23:12:37 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:12:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <1928869229-1275018329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-811164547-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1928869229-1275018329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-811164547-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Just like duct tape and "the force". All of the new ways we communicate have a dark side. So did the old ones. I have a hard time understanding people not wanting to participate in new technologies, it seems like an early withdrawal from new experiences. I'm not dead yet. I've been playing with all these toys since they started. If facebook were a country it would be the fourth largest in the world. A very high end recruiter I know told me that every senior level position he or his company placed in the last two years involved contacts made through LinkedIn. The easiest way to coordinate any event--from meeting for lunch to rioting--is twitter. Grayson Chance's youtube video of his sixth grade talent festival has 22 million views. A recording company signed him to head him off from promoting his music by himself. He's certainly worth a few million this evening. In the sixth grade. New world folks. Honestly, fretting about Facebook is pretty 2008. On May 27, 2010, at 8:45 PM, gasket.works at gte.net wrote: > My opinion is that facebook although perhaps well intentioned has a darker side that is not entirely clear to me. This networked and interconnected program is something I have joined very reluctantly but, in a limited way. From henry at henryfrye.com Fri May 28 06:36:45 2010 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 08:36:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050567BB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> I yearn for the days when the FOT flew so far under the radar that the people who found out about us actually fit the criteria to belong. The FOT has morphed into something far from it's roots. That's what happens when there are no rules. Do I like it? No. Do I miss what we once had, a forum where real Triumph racers really discussed issues pertinent to the sport? Sure I do. I know I am not alone here, every race I attend this subject comes up in conversation. Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction back towards our roots? Obviously not. Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction the majority of current FOT want? I can't say. I don't know who the current FOT are. I just hope the newbies in the sport are getting the support I got when I was starting out. The relationships I have made here over the years have made a huge difference to my racing success. I just don't see that level of support these days. Hopefully the support is happening offline. The resources we have available here are vast, and from what I have read over the past couple years, virtually untapped. -----Original Message----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? From jhd11 at hotmail.com Fri May 28 07:37:52 2010 From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 13:37:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I am a FOT list newbie but have always been a FOT having owned a TR6 since 1974 and been around SCCA and racing just as long. I use facebook sparingly and mainly because I wanted to see what my 16 year old daughter was up to! I appreciate being a member of this list and have already been able to use the experience of the group to help in our TR6 race car build! I don't think a facebook presence will deter from what FOT is. It can be used by those of us that want to to share photos and maintain additional contact and not used by others with little or no impact to the group. It depends on us and how we use it! Joe Downer Charlotte, N.C. > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:41:41 -0400 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > FOT list members: > > I use facebook and like some of the features. I am not sure I understand all > of the features and what they do. > > When three of us started the FOT, this list it was supposed to low key and > largely under the radar...somewhat like the organization 'THE QUIET BIRDMEN.' > > With some of the events we have put on like the Kastner Cup, it is difficult > to maintain a low profile. Thus we are fairly well known. Fortunately highly > regarded. > > So........ > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > > I think it is an important question to ask. Help me out here, one way or > another. > > Thanks! > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhd11 at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 From wensley_tr at comcast.net Fri May 28 07:54:13 2010 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:54:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: References: <1928869229-1275018329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-811164547-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <003201cafe6d$41d1f690$c575e3b0$@net> Soon we will add Skype with video calls, so we can work out problems with the cars (Hmm) Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Riddle Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 12:02 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? The world is indeed getting evermore interconnected. FB is "fun" if you treat it that way. Reconnecting with old real friends from High School and College Fraternity Brothers, etc.. I don't get nor do I want to get the on-line games that are available. I had mentioned I was amazed at the number of FOT that were on FB based on the data that can be gleaned from on-line services like LinkedIn and FB that show up automatically in the add-in I use with Outlook. FYI: up to 53 on the FB Group now Watch this video of the app to see what I mean http://www.xobni.com/learnmore/ With as interconnected and how easy it is to find this data anymore I would love to learn how difficult it is now to create cover stories or hide info for our operatives. Back in the day this was not something I had to worry about. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 8:46 PM To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? My opinion is that facebook although perhaps well intentioned has a darker side that is not entirely clear to me. This networked and interconnected program is something I have joined very reluctantly but, in a limited way. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From gasket.works at verizon.net Fri May 28 08:06:00 2010 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:06:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <1928869229-1275018329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-811164547-@bda2217.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <001401cafe6e$e76c42d0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Bill: Good comments and progressive thinking. All these social medias have some merit. Interestingly, my cousin put my name on a list called GENI (geneology repository) where all family members are listed, with Mothers maiden name, contact information, and more.... What was he thinking? He was so naive in thinking that this program would remind family of Birthdates, Deaths, Wedding anneversaries, and all dates sacred. I have told my sons to be extrordinarily careful on the facebook as it could come back to bite them in ways they did not intend. Precisely for the reasons you mentioned. i.e. job interviews. We have a professional life and a private life. Looking into someones personna by way of this surrogate is not entirely accurate and can paint an image that may not be what you want the interviewer to see. I can give many examples. I sometimes think of facebook as a powerful magnet and ideal mecca for exhibitionists and voyerism. Personality traits that many people need - precisely why it is so enticing and addictive. Like I said I joined reluctantly... Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx Triple R Munitions, Inc. Class 6 Certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > Just like duct tape and "the force". All of the new ways we communicate > have a dark side. So did the old ones. I have a hard time understanding > people not wanting to participate in new technologies, it seems like an > early withdrawal from new experiences. I'm not dead yet. I've been > playing with all these toys since they started. If facebook were a country > it would be the fourth largest in the world. A very high end recruiter I > know told me that every senior level position he or his company placed in > the last two years involved contacts made through LinkedIn. The easiest > way to coordinate any event--from meeting for lunch to rioting--is > twitter. Grayson Chance's youtube video of his sixth grade talent > festival has 22 million views. A recording company signed him to head him > off from promoting his music by himself. He's certainly worth a few > million this evening. In the sixth grade. > > New world folks. Honestly, fretting about Facebook is pretty 2008. > > > On May 27, 2010, at 8:45 PM, gasket.works at gte.net wrote: > >> My opinion is that facebook although perhaps well intentioned has a >> darker side that is not entirely clear to me. This networked and >> interconnected program is something I have joined very reluctantly but, >> in a limited way. From billb at bnj.com Fri May 28 08:11:07 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:11:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <81F324B6-FD94-4D38-8245-C3E34D43B046@bnj.com> What he said. I don't think anyone is going to move the conversation to facebook. Mark has built fine and sophisticated forum systems and offered them to us over the years. Few takers. The FOT email list with all it's restrictions is perfect for what we do. Adding a facebook group enables us to easily share pictures and video. There are other tools to do that, but facebook brings them all into one place with a single simple interface. The FOT facebook presence can be as private as the list. Or not. My previous tirade was not about FOT, but about being nervous about new technologies and social tools. It's all in how you use them. On May 28, 2010, at 6:37 AM, Joe Henry wrote: > I am a FOT list newbie but have always been a FOT having owned a TR6 since > 1974 and been around SCCA and racing just as long. I use facebook sparingly > and mainly because I wanted to see what my 16 year old daughter was up to! I > appreciate being a member of this list and have already been able to use the > experience of the group to help in our TR6 race car build! I don't think a > facebook presence will deter from what FOT is. It can be used by those of us > that want to to share photos and maintain additional contact and not used by > others with little or no impact to the group. It depends on us and how we use > it! > > Joe Downer > Charlotte, N.C. From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri May 28 08:12:31 2010 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. In-Reply-To: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <98344.56392.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Joe: I did that many years ago on my Kubota tractor. I blame it on interuptions since I was much too young to suffer from oldtimers disease. It amazed me how much oil could go into that diesel tractor engine! And nothing ever grew in that spot as long as we were living there! -Ed- --- On Thu, 5/27/10, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: From: n197tr4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 9:53 PM I do dumb stuff sometimes....of course. A couple of weeks ago I started to prepare the TR3A for an oil change. Today, I carefully replaced the filter and filter body. Thinking I had already drained the pan, I poured 6 quarts of oil in the engine and checked the dipstick. Nope, that cant be right. The oil is dirty looking and reads high on the dipstick. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ I did something like this about 40 years ago with a Bugeye Sprite. Only this time I drained the oil and forgot to replace the drain plug. It took about four quart pour for that brand new oil to spread out to my shoes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- I doubt if BRITISH PETROLEUM would be very excited about my problems. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From billb at bnj.com Fri May 28 08:23:00 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:23:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. In-Reply-To: <98344.56392.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <98344.56392.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1EA61DE5-1E13-4BD4-9798-160B68AEC025@bnj.com> As the poster boy for ADD, I considered it my duty to have done every possible combination of screwing up an oil change, from not draining the oil before adding, to leaving the drain plug out, to leaving the oil filter off, to forgetting to replace the oil filter, to forgetting to drain the oil before dropping the pan. My crowning glory was forgetting to put the oil pan back on after a fevered in the paddock piston/cylinder replacement. Two quarts, straight to the tarmac. From BillDentin at aol.com Fri May 28 08:41:06 2010 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:41:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. Message-ID: In a message dated 05/28/2010 9:24:19 AM Central Daylight Time, billb at bnj.com writes: > As the poster boy for ADD, I considered it my duty to have done every > possible > combination of screwing up an oil change, from not draining the oil before > adding, to leaving the drain plug out, to leaving the oil filter off, to > forgetting to replace the oil filter, to forgetting to drain the oil > before > dropping the pan. My crowning glory was forgetting to put the oil pan back > on > after a fevered in the paddock piston/cylinder replacement. Two quarts, > straight to the tarmac. > Amici... No oil changing stories, but I once came close to pouring antifreeze into cylinder head oil filler. Mike Belfer stopped me in time. In a non-auto related story similar...I am fourteen inches taller than my wife, and at least twice her weight. Hence, when we dance, I have no one to talk to. We should have sold the movie rights to our doing projects together, like hanging drywall on a ceiling. It would have paid for my racing career. But that didn't stop us from doing stuff together. The 'oil changing sagas' reminds me of when we would work together to fix a clogged kitchen sink. Me on the ground, head and shoulders into the cupboard below the sink, Shirley standing by to fetch and pass tools as necessary (I don't get up and down real good). I'd get the drain plug out. Drain the sink into a bucket. Pass the bucket to Shirley. I don't have to tell you that she poured it back in the sink. During the surprise shower, I'd find new energy for getting up quickly. Then I'd try to critique each of our efforts...but it's tough to do when she won't stop laughing. Bill (Damdinger) From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Fri May 28 08:50:14 2010 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:50:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. In-Reply-To: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: > I do dumb stuff sometimes....of course. Once, changing the oil on a Cessna 172, for some reason I safetied the oil filter to the oil temperature probe. Did you know that safety wire glows when connected across 12VDC? Anon From adams910 at gmail.com Fri May 28 09:12:51 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:12:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <81F324B6-FD94-4D38-8245-C3E34D43B046@bnj.com> References: <8CCCC1E0E9B0577-17C-4EAB@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <81F324B6-FD94-4D38-8245-C3E34D43B046@bnj.com> Message-ID: I'm a little late to the party, but Bill Babcock is right on the money. If you dont want certain information / photos on Facebook, then simply dont put it up. With as many people using it now, the odds of someone stealing my identity are pretty slim. Ive been using Facebook since it was only for people with .edu email addresses, and have never had problems or have known anyone with any problems this is going on 5 years now. Just make sure you set your profile so only friends can see it, never post your full birthdate, don't use your full legal name, and never post a profile picture that is a mugshot of yourself. Don't bother with any of the applications/games.. that's what advertising agencies use to mine your information. As far as my generation is concerned, without Facebook, youre pretty much left out of the loop. Guerrilla / word of mouth advertising has moved to Facebook and Twitter. Local take out, bars, the underground music scene, etc all use it to their advantage and ease of use. I don't think people even bother with flyers and print advertisement for those establishments anymore. As far as the list is concerned, what is there left to talk about? It doesn't seem like there are many people looking to develop their cars, and if you look at the results, lap times for most have stagnated over the last 5 years. For those just starting out and probably 85% of the other racers, they don't even need to join the list, as all the information is available for public viewing in the archives. Lastly Having your inbox clogged with messages talking about Facebook doesn't really help keep members either... My .02 From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri May 28 09:27:02 2010 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:27:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Message-ID: <107de.5873475b.39313ac6@cs.com> Bob, While I likely wasnt plain enough, my question was about the differences between the use of public forum vs. private on Facebook. Not about the use of Facebook in general. That original question has not been discussed yet. But perhaps it is not improtant. Joe A > I'm a little late to the party, but Bill Babcock is right on the money. If > you dont want certain information / photos on Facebook, then simply dont > put it up. With as many people using it now, the odds of someone stealing > my > identity are pretty slim. Ive been using Facebook since it was only for > people with .edu email addresses, and have never had problems or have known > anyone with any problems this is going on 5 years now. Just make sure you > set your profile so only friends can see it, never post your full > birthdate, > don't use your full legal name, and never post a profile picture that is a > mugshot of yourself. Don't bother with any of the applications/games.. > that's what advertising agencies use to mine your information. > > > As far as my generation is concerned, without Facebook, youre pretty much > left out of the loop. Guerrilla / word of mouth advertising has moved to > Facebook and Twitter. Local take out, bars, the underground music scene, > etc > all use it to their advantage and ease of use. I don't think people even > bother with flyers and print advertisement for those establishments > anymore. > > > > As far as the list is concerned, what is there left to talk about? It > doesn't seem like there are many people looking to develop their cars, and > if you look at the results, lap times for most have stagnated over the last > 5 years. For those just starting out and probably 85% of the other racers, > they don't even need to join the list, as all the information is available > for public viewing in the archives. Lastly Having your inbox clogged with > messages talking about Facebook doesn't really help keep members either... > > > My .02 > From adams910 at gmail.com Fri May 28 09:37:41 2010 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:37:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <107de.5873475b.39313ac6@cs.com> References: <107de.5873475b.39313ac6@cs.com> Message-ID: I should probably read more than a couple messages before jumping in all gung-ho. I know for sure you can set a Facebook group to private, and I'm pretty sure you can also set it so people have to be "accepted" by the group's admin, but still be viewable to the Facebook "public", which is how the FOT is set up now. Some might like the exclusivity of a "private" group, but others might find it a turn off. New racers might find it a bit "intimidating" Bob From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri May 28 09:53:06 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:53:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <107de.5873475b.39313ac6@cs.com> Message-ID: Maybe Facebook can be part of the solution to the problem Henry discussed, and siphon off some of the social content that ends up on this list, leaving us with more focused threads that help us help each other while racing our Triumphs. There are a lot of forums all over the Internet. most off them very good, and I for one don't have time to keep up with them all. As for the Triumph racing community I'd love to see permanent stuff located on the Fot-racing site, social stuff posted on Facebook and this list do what it does. FB is a great place to share photos and video's, and it would be cool if people added content after a race weekend. I'm still learning how to fine tune it, but I can choose what and who I want to see my stuff and what I want to look at. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 10:27 AM Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > Bob, > > While I likely wasnt plain enough, my question was about the differences > between the use of public forum vs. private on Facebook. > > Not about the use of Facebook in general. > > That original question has not been discussed yet. > > But perhaps it is not improtant. From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Fri May 28 09:55:24 2010 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 08:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <901535.10813.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I don't know how intimidating Facebook or other social media are to anyone; I for one have enough to do without following something like Facebook. My $0.02 worth. Ernie --- On Fri, 5/28/10, Bob Adams wrote: From: Bob Adams Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 10:37 AM I should probably read more than a couple messages before jumping in all gung-ho. I know for sure you can set a Facebook group to private, and I'm pretty sure you can also set it so people have to be "accepted" by the group's admin, but still be viewable to the Facebook "public", which is how the FOT is set up now. Some might like the exclusivity of a "private" group, but others might find it a turn off. New racers might find it a bit "intimidating" Bob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Fri May 28 10:08:29 2010 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (jaxonracing at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:08:29 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <901535.10813.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <901535.10813.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Fb is easy to navigate and can be utilized in many ways. I think it is a great idea for sharing video and photos however someone has to be the administrator and manage all the content or rely on members to link to the FOT FB page which is fine too. It is a great resource and would keep the content on list more focused hopefully. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Husmann Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 08:55:24 To: ; Bob Adams Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? I don't know how intimidating Facebook or other social media are to anyone; I for one have enough to do without following something like Facebook. My $0.02 worth. Ernie --- On Fri, 5/28/10, Bob Adams wrote: From: Bob Adams Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 10:37 AM I should probably read more than a couple messages before jumping in all gung-ho. I know for sure you can set a Facebook group to private, and I'm pretty sure you can also set it so people have to be "accepted" by the group's admin, but still be viewable to the Facebook "public", which is how the FOT is set up now. Some might like the exclusivity of a "private" group, but others might find it a turn off. New racers might find it a bit "intimidating" Bob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaxonracing at yahoo.com From tlizzard at msn.com Fri May 28 10:22:42 2010 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 12:22:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050567BB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> References: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050567BB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: What is this "facebook" of which you speak? To put a not too fine point on this, I will refer to the old motto of Brooklands... "The right crowd and no crowding". But then, I'm an old fashioned kind of guy. Terry Stetler. ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Frye To: n197tr4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? I yearn for the days when the FOT flew so far under the radar that the people who found out about us actually fit the criteria to belong. The FOT has morphed into something far from it's roots. That's what happens when there are no rules. Do I like it? No. Do I miss what we once had, a forum where real Triumph racers really discussed issues pertinent to the sport? Sure I do. I know I am not alone here, every race I attend this subject comes up in conversation. Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction back towards our roots? Obviously not. Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction the majority of current FOT want? I can't say. I don't know who the current FOT are. I just hope the newbies in the sport are getting the support I got when I was starting out. The relationships I have made here over the years have made a huge difference to my racing success. I just don't see that level of support these days. Hopefully the support is happening offline. The resources we have available here are vast, and from what I have read over the past couple years, virtually untapped. -----Original Message----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard at msn.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Emoticon3.gif] From tpettenati at yahoo.com Fri May 28 10:51:55 2010 From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question Message-ID: <314835.75410.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> All this talk of trailer ramps and then I spot the Harbor Freight Memorial Day sale flyer. Hey those ramps look just like mine and I know the the PO couldn't pass on cheap barely adequate crap. So I found the specs and they are rated at 1000 lbs per pair total. Sounds a bit under spec. for a car that I'm guessing is about 1400+ lbs. After a bit of measuring - The ramps are 6 ft. long and the Spit wheelbase is slightly longer. I only have a pair of wheels on the ramps at any time while loading and unloading. So far they worked fine for a dozen or more cycles. If you are looking for the cheap adequate solution and have a short wheelbase, go find the HFreight coupon for $39.99. Tim From dave at microworks.net Fri May 28 11:14:48 2010 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:14:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Ramp question In-Reply-To: <314835.75410.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <314835.75410.qm@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <93D560CF85554548854FEE21284E62C9@sys> Thanks! I was at harbor freight two days ago looking at them and the folding set too. Glad I did not buy them that day. Got the coupon and will pick them up today. http://www.harborfreight.com/memorial-day-sale From riverside at southslope.net Fri May 28 12:17:03 2010 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 13:17:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. References: <98344.56392.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1EA61DE5-1E13-4BD4-9798-160B68AEC025@bnj.com> Message-ID: <004201cafe91$f9d613b0$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Got ya beat: once removed the front end of the starter on a '57 Plymouth 6 banger thinking it was the oil filter!!! The fact i was 17 at the time is NOT a defense of this stupidity. art de armond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "EDWARD BARNARD" Cc: ; Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. > As the poster boy for ADD, I considered it my duty to have done every > possible > combination of screwing up an oil change, from not draining the oil before > adding, to leaving the drain plug out, to leaving the oil filter off, to > forgetting to replace the oil filter, to forgetting to drain the oil > before > dropping the pan. My crowning glory was forgetting to put the oil pan back > on > after a fevered in the paddock piston/cylinder replacement. Two quarts, > straight to the tarmac. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Fri May 28 13:02:20 2010 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 15:02:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. References: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <010501cafe98$4d2eb070$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Kind of like the time when I was about 16 and was going to impress my dad with my mechanical ability. I drained the oil in his Chevy pickup, replaced the filter element, and started pouring in the fresh oil. You guessed it; I'd forgotten to replace the drain plug. The sound of fresh oil hitting the drain pan had me scurrying to replace the plug. He wasn't impressed! Although over the next 30 years or so I did make up for it by repairing many of his tractors, trucks, and other equipment. I guess I made up for the lost quart or so of oil. Happy Decoration Day, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. > I do dumb stuff sometimes....of course. > > A couple of weeks ago I started to prepare the TR3A for an oil change. > > Today, I carefully replaced the filter and filter body. > > Thinking I had already drained the pan, I poured 6 quarts of oil in the engine > and checked the dipstick. > > Nope, that cant be right. The oil is dirty looking and reads high on the > dipstick. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > ------ > I did something like this about 40 years ago with a Bugeye Sprite. > > Only this time I drained the oil and forgot to replace the drain plug. > > It took about four quart pour for that brand new oil to spread out to my > shoes. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > --------- > > I doubt if BRITISH PETROLEUM would be very excited about my problems. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin3 at verizon.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri May 28 13:04:58 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:04:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 with H6 starting problem Message-ID: <000001cafe98$aba56db0$02f04910$@com> I need some suggestions on a hard starting problem. The car is a TR4 with SU H6 carbs. I have the Kastner G3 cam and the RB needles in the carbs as recommended by Kas. The car used to start and idle pretty good. Then I had the very worn throttle shafts replaced in winter 2008-2009. Last summer at Blackhawk we experienced hard starting due to flooding when starting. It starts right up but idles at about 1000 -1500 RPM and the engine wont rev up until the extra fuel gets run out. This takes about 30 seconds with the fuel pump off. During this time the EGTs are at about 600 indicating very rich. Once it gets cleaned out it idles good at 1500  2000 with the EGTs at 900 to 1000. I discovered I had the stock SM needles in the carbs, pushed all the way up in the pistons to give richer running. I replaced the SM needles with the correct RB needles and the car started pretty good in Sept. at Elkhart Lake. This year in May at Gingerman we started to have the hard starting problem again. Discovered another sinking float and replaced with a good one. We still had the starting problems where it starts but wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. We also had a bit of a stumble coming out of some of the faster corners. I replaced the needles and seats thinking it was loading up on some of the corners. The old needles and seats were all brass and showed some wear; the new ones from Moss have the viton tips. I still have the starting problem where it wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. I tried checking the fuel level in the jet with the pistons and needles out and it seems to be about = down from the top of the jet. With the needle in displacing some of the fuel Im guessing the level would be about at the top of the jet. Im not really sure what the best way is to check the fuel level in the jets. The floats were set with the SU tool, the oval shaped tube, and I have the 7/16 inch clearance specified, probably within a 32nd of an inch. Any suggestions of what to check or take a look at and try would be appreciated. The problem seems to have started when I had the throttle shafts redone, closing off the extra air getting into the carbs. The jets are both set to about 10 flats down from full up and the EGTs run around 1200 at WOT in 4th down the straights. I did notice after putting in the new needles and seats and turning on the fuel pump with the pistons and needles out that I got a pretty good slug of fuel shot up out of the jets until the floats came up to seal off the flow. Thanks, Tim & Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 From rjl6n at cstone.net Fri May 28 13:40:46 2010 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 15:40:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <901535.10813.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <901535.10813.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <94d4996a078285339cfe90b305dfe61e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Amen! I haven't joined Facebook for exactly that reason. I have too much else to do than to follow the "gossip channel". Just the thoughts of an old fogey, John On Fri, May 28, 2010 11:55 am, Ernest Husmann wrote: > I don't know how intimidating Facebook or other social media are to > anyone; I > for one have enough to do without following something like Facebook. > > My $0.02 worth. > > Ernie > > --- On Fri, 5/28/10, Bob Adams wrote: > > > From: Bob Adams > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > To: N197TR4 at cs.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 10:37 AM > > > I should probably read more than a couple messages before jumping in all > gung-ho. > > I know for sure you can set a Facebook group to private, and I'm pretty > sure > you can also set it so people have to be "accepted" by the group's admin, > but still be viewable to the Facebook "public", which is how the FOT is > set > up now. > > Some might like the exclusivity of a "private" group, but others might > find > it a turn off. New racers might find it a bit "intimidating" > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From pcdelux at verizon.net Fri May 28 14:28:51 2010 From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:28:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. References: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <6B675031F0214429B17FEAAEAB70B6A1@Bud> <4BFF3A32.4080007@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <007e01cafea4$63a43d00$2101a8c0@userge6zixcg5r> Hey Joe, I worked at a Pontiac dealer years ago. One day a new hire changed the oil on a Firebird. Next day it came back looking like a mosquito spray truck. Turns out the new guy thought you filled the oil all the way up to the fill hole. That was at least a 20 quart oil change. Bill DeWar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. >>> Thinking I had already drained the pan, I poured 6 quarts of oil in the >>> engine >>> and checked the dipstick. >>> >>> Nope, that cant be right. The oil is dirty looking and reads high on the >>> dipstick. > > > Have you considered a career at JiffyLube? > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux at verizon.net From herald948 at aol.com Fri May 28 14:33:36 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:33:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <94d4996a078285339cfe90b305dfe61e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> References: <901535.10813.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <94d4996a078285339cfe90b305dfe61e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Message-ID: <8CCCCBC2E910CAD-20EC-ACB@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com> Recently and very reluctantly, I'd been given some thought to joining Facebook solely because of the many entities -- and a few friends -- that seem to be doing so. My 18-year-old son (who knows me very well) suggested I not bother! He does pass along greetings and messages from some of my friends who spot him on Facebook and ask about me. ;) --Andy Mace (I spend too much time now on e-mail and Forums!) *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: rjl6n at cstone.net Amen! I haven't joined Facebook for exactly that reason. I have too much else to do than to follow the "gossip channel". From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Fri May 28 15:21:48 2010 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Off Topic - my 2010 Indy 500 quiz Message-ID: <494808.54741.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> This year will be my 31st consecutive Indy 500. For about the past 20 years I have been doing a quiz. since it is Indy weekend I thought some of you might enjoy it. I will send out the answers tomorrow. Mike Mehl [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of 2010 Mike Mehl Indy Quiz.pdf] From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Fri May 28 15:40:32 2010 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 17:40:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C003850.6000909@twcny.rr.com> For years in the '60s my mom drove my TR3 from Huntington Beach to LA (hour plus each way) to work the night shift as key punch operator at B of A. One morning bleary eyed she filled a hot motor up with water (yes she put it in the valve cover - to the top) and drove the rest of the way home! The car was unhappy, my dad was unhappy and it rolled into the garage to wait till I could drive. Finally, Dad swore it was going to the junk yard. Enter me - I threw a fit and told them I wanted it. It was mom's (technically) so she won and at 11 years old I became the proud owner of a 1957 TR3 I have known since I was 4. Cheers, M From budscars at comcast.net Fri May 28 15:46:32 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:46:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. References: <4C003850.6000909@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <59711F7D16374887ABCCF734341FC164@Bud> Mark..Have You changed the water? RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. > For years in the '60s my mom drove my TR3 from Huntington Beach to LA > (hour plus each way) to work the night shift as key punch operator at B of > A. One morning bleary eyed she filled a hot motor up with water (yes she > put it in the valve cover - to the top) and drove the rest of the way > home! The car was unhappy, my dad was unhappy and it rolled into the > garage to wait till I could drive. Finally, Dad swore it was going to the > junk yard. Enter me - I threw a fit and told them I wanted it. It was > mom's (technically) so she won and at 11 years old I became the proud > owner of a 1957 TR3 I have known since I was 4. > > Cheers, > > M > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From klynch_6 at msn.com Fri May 28 16:10:32 2010 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:10:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Clive Averill Message-ID: Amici: I just got a message that my longtime GT6 mentor (33 Silver) & friend Clive Averill, suffered a heart attack while on track with his daughter 'Ashley' during a Lapping Day @ High Plains Raceway. Ashley got Clive out of the car & proceeded with CPR until the track manager & EMTs' could get there. I spoke with her from the hospital & he's responding favorably. I know there's a few a few of you out there who have raced Clive @ Hallett etc. over the years. Pls. keep the good thoughts for him this weekend. Kev Lynch RMVR #6 A hero is no braver than an ordinary man, but he is braver five minutes longer. Ralph Waldo Emerson From jibjib at att.net Fri May 28 17:14:13 2010 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:14:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. In-Reply-To: <010501cafe98$4d2eb070$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <8CCCC28240AA42D-17C-571E@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> <010501cafe98$4d2eb070$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <9342F66A4BF84CD8A1B26FAA1AF5502A@hpa1477c> I put the wrong filter on a car once. After starting it I heard a splashing sound when I walked around to look under, as I always do and found oil pouring out of my running engine. Unfortunately, this episode pales on comparison to a recent one. I change the oil on several cars at once, starting with an empty 5 gallon pail for the dirty oil. Yeah, you can see where this is going. As I finished car 3 or 4, the pail was getting pretty full and it was starting to rain. The car was on ramps, half into the court, so I gathered up my tools and everything except the dirty oil pail. Yeah, if you missed it before, you know now. I hopped in the car and got it off the ramps. As I turned the car, I caught the 5 gallon pail with the bumper, dumping it in the street. I sent my wife to the store for 100 pounds of kitty litter and called the fire department, as it is a toxic spill and we're quite green here in WA. The firemen were pretty happy with my containment, but I sure felt foolish. The neighbors, who have a distain for my excessive number of cars anyway and public wrenching, all legal with the HOA, were not pleased. I sure hope I never spill 4 gallons of dirty oil in the street again. Not fun. Jack From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: [Fot] My TR3A has a 12 quart sump. > I do dumb stuff sometimes....of course. > > A couple of weeks ago I started to prepare the TR3A for an oil change. > > Today, I carefully replaced the filter and filter body. > > Thinking I had already drained the pan, I poured 6 quarts of oil in the engine > and checked the dipstick. > > Nope, that cant be right. The oil is dirty looking and reads high on the > dipstick. From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri May 28 19:34:38 2010 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 01:34:38 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR4 with H6 starting problem Message-ID: <20100528.213438.1992.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> When I first started my car up, after refreshing the engine, I had a similar problem where it was barely running at WOT and would stall at anything less then WOT. Thought at first that perhaps I had timing wrong? Turned off fuel pumps and it would clear and run fine for a while and then do the same thing after I turned the fuel back on. Changed the spark plugs and leaned the carbs out a little and all was good. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Tim Murphy" To: Cc: rpm724 at att.net, ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov Subject: [Fot] TR4 with H6 starting problem Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:04:58 -0500 I need some suggestions on a hard starting problem. The car is a TR4 with SU H6 carbs. I have the Kastner G3 cam and the RB needles in the carbs as recommended by Kas. The car used to start and idle pretty good. Then I had the very worn throttle shafts replaced in winter 2008-2009. Last summer at Blackhawk we experienced hard starting due to flooding when starting. It starts right up but idles at about 1000 -1500 RPM and the engine wont rev up until the extra fuel gets run out. This takes about 30 seconds with the fuel pump off. During this time the EGTs are at about 600 indicating very rich. Once it gets cleaned out it idles good at 1500  2000 with the EGTs at 900 to 1000. I discovered I had the stock SM needles in the carbs, pushed all the way up in the pistons to give richer running. I replaced the SM needles with the correct RB needles and the car started pretty good in Sept. at Elkhart Lake. This year in May at Gingerman we started to have the hard starting problem again. Discovered another sinking float and replaced with a good one. We still had the starting problems where it starts but wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. We also had a bit of a stumble coming out of some of the faster corners. I replaced the needles and seats thinking it was loading up on some of the corners. The old needles and seats were all brass and showed some wear; the new ones from Moss have the viton tips. I still have the starting problem where it wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. I tried checking the fuel level in the jet with the pistons and needles out and it seems to be about = down from the top of the jet. With the needle in displacing some of the fuel Im guessing the level would be about at the top of the jet. Im not really sure what the best way is to check the fuel level in the jets. The floats were set with the SU tool, the oval shaped tube, and I have the 7/16 inch clearance specified, probably within a 32nd of an inch. Any suggestions of what to check or take a look at and try would be appreciated. The problem seems to have started when I had the throttle shafts redone, closing off the extra air getting into the carbs. The jets are both set to about 10 flats down from full up and the EGTs run around 1200 at WOT in 4th down the straights. I did notice after putting in the new needles and seats and turning on the fuel pump with the pistons and needles out that I got a pretty good slug of fuel shot up out of the jets until the floats came up to seal off the flow. Thanks, Tim & Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4c006f6f93bde158dc3st04duc From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri May 28 20:22:15 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 19:22:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 with H6 starting problem In-Reply-To: <000001cafe98$aba56db0$02f04910$@com> References: <000001cafe98$aba56db0$02f04910$@com> Message-ID: <70A8D80A-F1A0-4154-A3F3-D56144C54974@earthlink.net> Tim, I run H6 carbs on my TR3 with RB or RF needles (I don't remember!) I've rebuilt them a couple of times and haven't had any starting problems, except the usual - stick your open hand over one of the carbs to simulate a choke- trick. I set the jet a little differently, I turn the adjuster bolt until the jet is level, then turn it down 12 flats, safety wire it, and go two more flats. 14 flats from level. No troubles whatsoever. I assume all the choke gear has been removed from your carbs? ~Steve On May 28, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: I need some suggestions on a hard starting problem. The car is a TR4 with SU H6 carbs. I have the Kastner G3 cam and the RB needles in the carbs as recommended by Kas. The car used to start and idle pretty good. Then I had the very worn throttle shafts replaced in winter 2008-2009. Last summer at Blackhawk we experienced hard starting due to flooding when starting. It starts right up but idles at about 1000 -1500 RPM and the engine wont rev up until the extra fuel gets run out. This takes about 30 seconds with the fuel pump off. During this time the EGTs are at about 600 indicating very rich. Once it gets cleaned out it idles good at 1500  2000 with the EGTs at 900 to 1000. I discovered I had the stock SM needles in the carbs, pushed all the way up in the pistons to give richer running. I replaced the SM needles with the correct RB needles and the car started pretty good in Sept. at Elkhart Lake. This year in May at Gingerman we started to have the hard starting problem again. Discovered another sinking float and replaced with a good one. We still had the starting problems where it starts but wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. We also had a bit of a stumble coming out of some of the faster corners. I replaced the needles and seats thinking it was loading up on some of the corners. The old needles and seats were all brass and showed some wear; the new ones from Moss have the viton tips. I still have the starting problem where it wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. I tried checking the fuel level in the jet with the pistons and needles out and it seems to be about = down from the top of the jet. With the needle in displacing some of the fuel Im guessing the level would be about at the top of the jet. Im not really sure what the best way is to check the fuel level in the jets. The floats were set with the SU tool, the oval shaped tube, and I have the 7/16 inch clearance specified, probably within a 32nd of an inch. Any suggestions of what to check or take a look at and try would be appreciated. The problem seems to have started when I had the throttle shafts redone, closing off the extra air getting into the carbs. The jets are both set to about 10 flats down from full up and the EGTs run around 1200 at WOT in 4th down the straights. I did notice after putting in the new needles and seats and turning on the fuel pump with the pistons and needles out that I got a pretty good slug of fuel shot up out of the jets until the floats came up to seal off the flow. Thanks, Tim & Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri May 28 22:16:47 2010 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 23:16:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 with H6 starting problem In-Reply-To: <70A8D80A-F1A0-4154-A3F3-D56144C54974@earthlink.net> References: <000001cafe98$aba56db0$02f04910$@com> <70A8D80A-F1A0-4154-A3F3-D56144C54974@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000d01cafee5$c2023190$460694b0$@com> Thanks for all of the suggestions. I'm going to try some of them tomorrow and see what happens. The good thing is that I can duplicate the problem without having to run the car hard and getting everything up to temperature. Just do a start, get it running good, let it sit for awhile and try another start. Wish all my problems were that consistent and easy to duplicate! Tim -----Original Message----- From: Steven Belfer [mailto:colordog.1 at earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 9:22 PM To: Tim Murphy Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 with H6 starting problem Tim, I run H6 carbs on my TR3 with RB or RF needles (I don't remember!) I've rebuilt them a couple of times and haven't had any starting problems, except the usual - stick your open hand over one of the carbs to simulate a choke- trick. I set the jet a little differently, I turn the adjuster bolt until the jet is level, then turn it down 12 flats, safety wire it, and go two more flats. 14 flats from level. No troubles whatsoever. I assume all the choke gear has been removed from your carbs? ~Steve On May 28, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: I need some suggestions on a hard starting problem. The car is a TR4 with SU H6 carbs. I have the Kastner G3 cam and the RB needles in the carbs as recommended by Kas. The car used to start and idle pretty good. Then I had the very worn throttle shafts replaced in winter 2008-2009. Last summer at Blackhawk we experienced hard starting due to flooding when starting. It starts right up but idles at about 1000 -1500 RPM and the engine wont rev up until the extra fuel gets run out. This takes about 30 seconds with the fuel pump off. During this time the EGTs are at about 600 indicating very rich. Once it gets cleaned out it idles good at 1500  2000 with the EGTs at 900 to 1000. I discovered I had the stock SM needles in the carbs, pushed all the way up in the pistons to give richer running. I replaced the SM needles with the correct RB needles and the car started pretty good in Sept. at Elkhart Lake. This year in May at Gingerman we started to have the hard starting problem again. Discovered another sinking float and replaced with a good one. We still had the starting problems where it starts but wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. We also had a bit of a stumble coming out of some of the faster corners. I replaced the needles and seats thinking it was loading up on some of the corners. The old needles and seats were all brass and showed some wear; the new ones from Moss have the viton tips. I still have the starting problem where it wont rev up until it gets cleaned out. I tried checking the fuel level in the jet with the pistons and needles out and it seems to be about = down from the top of the jet. With the needle in displacing some of the fuel Im guessing the level would be about at the top of the jet. Im not really sure what the best way is to check the fuel level in the jets. The floats were set with the SU tool, the oval shaped tube, and I have the 7/16 inch clearance specified, probably within a 32nd of an inch. Any suggestions of what to check or take a look at and try would be appreciated. The problem seems to have started when I had the throttle shafts redone, closing off the extra air getting into the carbs. The jets are both set to about 10 flats down from full up and the EGTs run around 1200 at WOT in 4th down the straights. I did notice after putting in the new needles and seats and turning on the fuel pump with the pistons and needles out that I got a pretty good slug of fuel shot up out of the jets until the floats came up to seal off the flow. Thanks, Tim & Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net Sat May 29 05:29:06 2010 From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (Chip Collingwood) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 07:29:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Message-ID: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> Henry, Well said . I would strongly agree with your perspective! This group is far from what it used to be and I miss the core group of real racers and discourse about real Triumph racing topics as well. The continued dilution of this venue by taking it to an even more public arena will virtually wipe out any semblance of its original sound, productive, and rewarding experience. Chip Collingwood EP TR6 Vintage Datsun 510 > [Original Message] > From: Henry Frye > To: ; > Date: 5/28/2010 8:39:46 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > I yearn for the days when the FOT flew so far under the radar that the > people who found out about us actually fit the criteria to belong. The > FOT has morphed into something far from it's roots. That's what happens > when there are no rules. > > Do I like it? No. > > Do I miss what we once had, a forum where real Triumph racers really > discussed issues pertinent to the sport? Sure I do. I know I am not > alone here, every race I attend this subject comes up in conversation. > > Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction back > towards our roots? Obviously not. > > Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction the > majority of current FOT want? I can't say. I don't know who the current > FOT are. > > I just hope the newbies in the sport are getting the support I got when > I was starting out. The relationships I have made here over the years > have made a huge difference to my racing success. I just don't see that > level of support these days. Hopefully the support is happening offline. > The resources we have available here are vast, and from what I have read > over the past couple years, virtually untapped. > > -----Original Message----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6racer21 at earthlink.net From mdporter at dfn.com Sat May 29 07:30:35 2010 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 07:30:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> References: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4C0116FB.9000404@dfn.com> Chip Collingwood wrote: > Henry, > > Well said . I would strongly agree with your perspective! This group is far > from what it used to be and I miss the core group of real racers and > discourse about real Triumph racing topics as well. The continued dilution > of this venue by taking it to an even more public arena will virtually wipe > out any semblance of its original sound, productive, and rewarding > experience. > > Ah, well, Facebook matters aside, I guess I should just fade into the background because I'm not a part of that "core group" of "real racers" like Mr. Collingwood. After all, even talk about "real Triumph racing topics" is just too expensive for a serf like me.... Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat May 29 07:47:07 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 08:47:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> <4C0116FB.9000404@dfn.com> Message-ID: <73EF01FF3B434D5BBF74D2AB9D596562@latitudefb1e41> I hope you had your tongue in your cheek when you wrote that. I can't recall you plugging up the list with off topic threads. I still think Facebook has a place. I'm going to put up some photes I have taken over the years that I couldn't share on the list. Let's get the social stuff handled on Facebook and those that want to talk car stuff, like you, can keep the list on topic. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Porter" To: Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > Chip Collingwood wrote: >> Henry, >> Well said . I would strongly agree with your perspective! This group is >> far >> from what it used to be and I miss the core group of real racers and >> discourse about real Triumph racing topics as well. The continued >> dilution >> of this venue by taking it to an even more public arena will virtually >> wipe >> out any semblance of its original sound, productive, and rewarding >> experience. >> >> > > Ah, well, Facebook matters aside, I guess I should just fade into the > background because I'm not a part of that "core group" of "real racers" > like Mr. Collingwood. > > > After all, even talk about "real Triumph racing topics" is just too > expensive for a serf like me.... > > > Cheers. > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking > distance.... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat May 29 08:07:12 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 09:07:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> <4C0116FB.9000404@dfn.com> <73EF01FF3B434D5BBF74D2AB9D596562@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <79258D37852E47829FFBA1D0793EFECF@latitudefb1e41> ....and I should have said that I do recall you adding valuable trchnical input that has helped me multiple times. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" To: "Michael Porter" ; Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? >I hope you had your tongue in your cheek when you wrote that. I can't >recall you plugging up the list with off topic threads. I still think >Facebook has a place. I'm going to put up some photes I have taken over the >years that I couldn't share on the list. Let's get the social stuff handled >on Facebook and those that want to talk car stuff, like you, can keep the >list on topic. > > Bob Kramer > Volente, TX > > Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch > excellence. > Vince Lombardi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Porter" > To: > Cc: ; > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > >> Chip Collingwood wrote: >>> Henry, >>> Well said . I would strongly agree with your perspective! This group is >>> far >>> from what it used to be and I miss the core group of real racers and >>> discourse about real Triumph racing topics as well. The continued >>> dilution >>> of this venue by taking it to an even more public arena will virtually >>> wipe >>> out any semblance of its original sound, productive, and rewarding >>> experience. >>> >>> >> >> Ah, well, Facebook matters aside, I guess I should just fade into the >> background because I'm not a part of that "core group" of "real racers" >> like Mr. Collingwood. >> >> >> After all, even talk about "real Triumph racing topics" is just too >> expensive for a serf like me.... >> >> >> Cheers. >> >> -- >> >> >> Michael Porter >> Roswell, NM >> >> >> Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >> distance.... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat May 29 08:24:34 2010 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 08:24:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? What ? In-Reply-To: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> References: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9D0364A992834044859C900583A8BEE3@hal9000> What ? ! Hey CHIP Sorry to dilute your gene pool and I guess I have never been in the CORE group. As far as being a real racer....BS I'll see you at Heartland Park Jim Gray # 102 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team .net] On Behalf Of Chip Collingwood Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 5:29 AM To: Henry Frye; n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? Henry, Well said . I would strongly agree with your perspective! This group is far from what it used to be and I miss the core group of real racers and discourse about real Triumph racing topics as well. The continued dilution of this venue by taking it to an even more public arena will virtually wipe out any semblance of its original sound, productive, and rewarding experience. Chip Collingwood EP TR6 Vintage Datsun 510 > [Original Message] > From: Henry Frye > To: ; > Date: 5/28/2010 8:39:46 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > I yearn for the days when the FOT flew so far under the radar that the > people who found out about us actually fit the criteria to belong. The > FOT has morphed into something far from it's roots. That's what happens > when there are no rules. > > Do I like it? No. > > Do I miss what we once had, a forum where real Triumph racers really > discussed issues pertinent to the sport? Sure I do. I know I am not > alone here, every race I attend this subject comes up in conversation. > > Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction back > towards our roots? Obviously not. > > Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction the > majority of current FOT want? I can't say. I don't know who the current > FOT are. > > I just hope the newbies in the sport are getting the support I got when > I was starting out. The relationships I have made here over the years > have made a huge difference to my racing success. I just don't see that > level of support these days. Hopefully the support is happening offline. > The resources we have available here are vast, and from what I have read > over the past couple years, virtually untapped. > > -----Original Message----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > ______________________________ _________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htm l > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ options/fot/tr6racer21 at earthli nk.net ______________________________ _________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htm l Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ options/fot/toodamnfunky at comca st.net From billb at bnj.com Sat May 29 08:44:46 2010 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 07:44:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK In-Reply-To: <9D0364A992834044859C900583A8BEE3@hal9000> References: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> <9D0364A992834044859C900583A8BEE3@hal9000> Message-ID: <76159C87-8549-4B51-9D8B-35B0D57455B1@bnj.com> I think the decline in technical information stems from two things, first of all, we've all been talking about this stuff for years. So much so that if we had numbered the responses the answers to most questions would be something like "23, obviously". Second, Kas came out with his books. The first thing anyone should do who wants to race a triumph is get and read all of them, then do it again. As far as lap times stabilizing. Hmmm, not so much. Sure, now we're picking up tenths instead of seconds, but I'm not moving backwards yet, and since my reaction times are not improving and I haven't gotten any lighter I'm gonna have to say the reason is the car. From tpettenati at yahoo.com Sat May 29 09:44:26 2010 From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 08:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? Message-ID: <686491.16937.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yesterday I spotted two complete TR7's at the local wrecking yard. The yard is having their big half-price sale weekend. Anything I should be interested in for spares or improvements? Tim P. From mark at bradakis.com Sat May 29 10:02:22 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 10:02:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? In-Reply-To: <686491.16937.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <686491.16937.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C013A8E.6010602@bradakis.com> The wheels have the same bolt pattern, and I believe the spark plugs are interchangeable. mjb. From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sat May 29 10:30:11 2010 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 16:30:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? In-Reply-To: <4C013A8E.6010602@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <242774739.2623871275150611221.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> you can make a gearbox work or the gear clusters... aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 12:02:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? The wheels have the same bolt pattern, and I believe the spark plugs are interchangeable. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fpspitfire at comcast.net From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat May 29 10:38:54 2010 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 09:38:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK In-Reply-To: <76159C87-8549-4B51-9D8B-35B0D57455B1@bnj.com> References: <380-22010562911296666@earthlink.net> <9D0364A992834044859C900583A8BEE3@hal9000> <76159C87-8549-4B51-9D8B-35B0D57455B1@bnj.com> Message-ID: To Bill's points, I've searched the FOT archives for just about every aspect of the car from A to Z. You could search "Distributor," for example, and read every FOT post about that subject. The Archives are a super-valuable resource but it's more fun to hear from you guys today. ~Steve On May 29, 2010, at 7:44 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: I think the decline in technical information stems from two things, first of all, we've all been talking about this stuff for years. So much so that if we had numbered the responses the answers to most questions would be something like "23, obviously". Second, Kas came out with his books. The first thing anyone should do who wants to race a triumph is get and read all of them, then do it again. As far as lap times stabilizing. Hmmm, not so much. Sure, now we're picking up tenths instead of seconds, but I'm not moving backwards yet, and since my reaction times are not improving and I haven't gotten any lighter I'm gonna have to say the reason is the car. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From klynch_6 at msn.com Sat May 29 12:12:38 2010 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 12:12:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FB Message-ID: Ah, well, Facebook matters aside, I guess I should just fade into the background because I'm not a part of that "core group" of "real racers" like Mr. Collingwood. After all, even talk about "real Triumph racing topics" is just too expensive for a serf like me.... Well put Mr. Porter, Maybe this guy ascends then descends into his race suit unlike the rest of us who put em' on one leg atta' time ! Some people's kids... Kev Lynch 'Subprime' Vintage Racing From billbab at me.com Sat May 29 12:50:07 2010 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 11:50:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] That's odd References: <76159C87-8549-4B51-9D8B-35B0D57455B1@bnj.com> Message-ID: <8376D983-E941-4D5B-9543-D562F3D89C12@me.com> I sent one last paragraph on my last email, but it didn't show up. But hey guys, people say stuff in email all the time that doesn't come out at they intended. Cease the dogpile, eh? I do a much better job of pissing people off than that. Begin forwarded message: > From: Bill Babcock > Date: May 29, 2010 7:44:46 AM PDT > To: Triumph Friends of > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK > > I think the decline in technical information stems from two things, first of all, we've all been talking about this stuff for years. So much so that if we had numbered the responses the answers to most questions would be something like "23, obviously". > > Second, Kas came out with his books. The first thing anyone should do who wants to race a triumph is get and read all of them, then do it again. > > As far as lap times stabilizing. Hmmm, not so much. Sure, now we're picking up tenths instead of seconds, but I'm not moving backwards yet, and since my reaction times are not improving and I haven't gotten any lighter I'm gonna have to say the reason is the car. > > I suspect Chip wishes he could make some edits to his email, so believe me I'm not joining in on the mugging, but having just watched qualifying for the Turkish Grand Prix I know I'm not a real racer. We're all just having fun tossing wildly inappropriate cars around racetracks. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat May 29 13:01:17 2010 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 14:01:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FB References: Message-ID: I think we all get frustrated with excessive emails sometimes and the FoT list does go a little crazy at times. I also get waaay too many useless emails from work, but I sift through them and the FoT list better than I do through MG's on a racetrack. I think Chip also said that he'd like the topics to be about Triumph racing, something that we all agree to but occasionally forget. That's why I'm in favor of the Facebook thing. Get alot of the social FoT stuff handled on that site, complete with video and pictures. I'm going to put more pictures from my files that I think other FoT might find interesting. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 1:12 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT on FB > Ah, well, Facebook matters aside, I guess I should just fade into the > background because I'm not a part of that "core group" of "real racers" > like Mr. Collingwood. > > After all, even talk about "real Triumph racing topics" is just too > expensive for a serf like me.... > > > Well put Mr. Porter, Maybe this guy ascends then descends into his race > suit > unlike the rest of us who put em' on one leg atta' time ! Some people's > kids... > > Kev Lynch > 'Subprime' Vintage Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat May 29 15:53:21 2010 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 16:53:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake pad / shoe poll In-Reply-To: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryv ille.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1485651854.597581274731503098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20100529215232.9C72218763E@autox.team.net> Late addition - been out of town (looks like there's been some controversy on the list!) Carbotech, AX-6 compound is my favorite. No warmup required, great bite, great modulation, easy on the rotors. I also have had my rotors cryo treated, and somehow that seems to improve the life and deter warping. http://www.ctbrakes.com/ - Tony Drews At 03:05 PM 5/24/2010, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >Greetings FoT > > > >I'm just taking a poll of what brake pads & shoes are being used. I have been > >using the Porterfield vintage compound on the front because of exceptional > >initial bite. Unfortunately the last two times I raced the car on freshly >turned > >rotors with new pads I end up cooking the pads & rotorsB in a single weekend. > >I'm not ready to throw Porterfield under the proverbial busB but so far I'm >not seeing > >anything in the front end or calipers that would cause the problem. > >Both times the rotors scored up pretty bad all the way across. > >The pads have a gap at the outboard edge of the pads ( top )B and snug at the >inboard side. > >The smell of cooked brakes is present and blue rings toward the inboard edges > >of the rotors. Chunks of pad missing, pads glazed. The rears have performed >great, > >no problems. I had to use the brakes so hard over the 15th & 16th I still have >a prononced limp, > >no joke. I do have Uncle Jack's spindles and have a real good pedal, no fade >or kickback. > > > >Thanks for the input, > >Jim G. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat May 29 16:57:24 2010 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 16:57:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: That's odd References: <8A0B438B-7248-42F1-9679-3B27AF2A6EF0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <70591008-78F1-497E-8E50-90407FEB417E@earthlink.net> +1 Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM > >> >> I do a much better job of pissing people off than that. >> >> >>> From: Bill Babcock From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Sat May 29 18:41:10 2010 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 10:41:10 +1000 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? In-Reply-To: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050567BB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> References: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050567BB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <135B591C3D8D4CEB87E6E85D9624712A@GEOFFPC> It would be great if all non Triumph racing stuff could be filtered out so our emails dont get bombed This is a great forum which streeches world wide and keeps true FOTs informed about what happening it put me in contact with fellow racers in USA who otherwise I would have known nothing about Geoff Byrne TR6 Down Under ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: ; Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? >I yearn for the days when the FOT flew so far under the radar that the > people who found out about us actually fit the criteria to belong. The > FOT has morphed into something far from it's roots. That's what happens > when there are no rules. > > Do I like it? No. > > Do I miss what we once had, a forum where real Triumph racers really > discussed issues pertinent to the sport? Sure I do. I know I am not > alone here, every race I attend this subject comes up in conversation. > > Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction back > towards our roots? Obviously not. > > Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction the > majority of current FOT want? I can't say. I don't know who the current > FOT are. > > I just hope the newbies in the sport are getting the support I got when > I was starting out. The relationships I have made here over the years > have made a huge difference to my racing success. I just don't see that > level of support these days. Hopefully the support is happening offline. > The resources we have available here are vast, and from what I have read > over the past couple years, virtually untapped. > > -----Original Message----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sat May 29 19:09:41 2010 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 18:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? In-Reply-To: <686491.16937.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <264649.27596.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tim: Lots of things fit from the 4 speed TR7 to the Spitwad. The rear brakes are a direct bolt on and are bigger l;ike the GT6. You also get auto adjust feature. The diff center will bolt on and give you a nice 3.63 ratio. The 4 speed can be used. And yes...the wheels and studs. The studs are very expensive if bought new. -Ed- --- On Sat, 5/29/10, Tim Pettenati wrote: From: Tim Pettenati Subject: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? To: "FoT Triumph" Date: Saturday, May 29, 2010, 10:44 AM Yesterday I spotted two complete TR7's at the local wrecking yard. The yard is having their big half-price sale weekend. Anything I should be interested in for spares or improvements? Tim P. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From budscars at comcast.net Sat May 29 19:22:37 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 18:22:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? References: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E768050567BB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> <135B591C3D8D4CEB87E6E85D9624712A@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: Thanks Geoff, et al...Our stuff should be available to EVERYONE...Remember Friends...This is about the'Preservation of the Marque'...and ..the Preservation of History..and ..The Preservation of us Old Racers.. Wooohoo! I Love you All... Racer Bud... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Byrne" To: "Henry Frye" ; ; Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > It would be great if all non Triumph racing stuff could be filtered out so > our emails dont get bombed > This is a great forum which streeches world wide and keeps true FOTs > informed about what happening > it put me in contact with fellow racers in USA who otherwise I would have > known nothing about > Geoff Byrne > TR6 Down Under > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Henry Frye" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 10:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? > > >>I yearn for the days when the FOT flew so far under the radar that the >> people who found out about us actually fit the criteria to belong. The >> FOT has morphed into something far from it's roots. That's what happens >> when there are no rules. >> >> Do I like it? No. >> >> Do I miss what we once had, a forum where real Triumph racers really >> discussed issues pertinent to the sport? Sure I do. I know I am not >> alone here, every race I attend this subject comes up in conversation. >> >> Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction back >> towards our roots? Obviously not. >> >> Is a public FB presence going to move the trend in a direction the >> majority of current FOT want? I can't say. I don't know who the current >> FOT are. >> >> I just hope the newbies in the sport are getting the support I got when >> I was starting out. The relationships I have made here over the years >> have made a huge difference to my racing success. I just don't see that >> level of support these days. Hopefully the support is happening offline. >> The resources we have available here are vast, and from what I have read >> over the past couple years, virtually untapped. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Subject: [Fot] FOT on FACEBOOK ??? >> >> What does 'going public' on FB do to us, say, as to going 'private'? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From harmug at us.ibm.com Sat May 29 19:41:17 2010 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 21:41:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Carb and Ignition questions Message-ID: Quiz time again. I have two problems with my son's street Spitfire, 72 MKIV. The first problem, really more of a validation I hope is related to the carbs. I removed the stock single Stromberg and replaced it with a pair of HS2 SUs.I was tweaking and balancing them, they were running rich. When I rev'd the motor up, I noticed a squirt of gas from a small hole, on the firewall side carb, just under the fuel inlet. I pulled the float and checked it's function, when the float was almost level, the valve would close and keep me from blowing through it. The front carb worked in a similar fashion. I never noticed the hole before, looks like it meant to be there, but is it , as I suspect, a vent hole for the fuel bowl, and not an over pressure relief port? I'm guessing that I just need new needle valves and/ or a float and I should be good to go. But before I order the parts and waste a week, is the stock fuel pump, designed for the Stromberg, too powerful for the SU floats? Should I be changing the stock pump for one from a duel carb model too? Question number two. The ballast resistor broke, don't know how but we had a problem starting and I found the ceramic rod and wire broken. I picked up a generic one at the local parts chain but I still have the problem, the car will only run on the start up circuit. As soon as I stop turning the starter over, the ignition dies (verified by timing light). I put a meter on the input to the resistor and with the key on, I have ~ 12.8V and 12.5V on the coil side. The resistor measures ~ 200 ohms. All the wires back to the ignition switch look good and ohm out clean, but the car won't run. Do I have a problem with the replacement resistor? I've used this type before on the race spit motor but I didn't want to start swapping parts from that, I have a dbl race next weekend. Could I have a bad connection somewhere, only good enough to show 12V potential but not pass enough current to fire the coil? Related to the debug of this problem, I changed points, set the gap and timed the motor. I also swapped coils with a spare. If I hot wire the starter circuit, jumper wire from the battery to the coil, the car will run forever. (this just got me thinking, I'll hot wire the feed into the resistor tomorrow and see what happens) I can't find a value for the ballast resistor, does anyone know what values (Ohms and voltage drop) I should be seeing? thanks in advance mike h. G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer From igofaster at att.net Sun May 30 07:15:52 2010 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 06:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? In-Reply-To: <686491.16937.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <686491.16937.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <657179.64825.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I use a set of TR7 wheels powder coated for a set of rain tires on my GT6 racer... a desirable offset ... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Tim Pettenati To: FoT Triumph Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 10:44:26 AM Subject: [Fot] What TR7 parts fit a Spit? Yesterday I spotted two complete TR7's at the local wrecking yard. The yard is having their big half-price sale weekend. Anything I should be interested in for spares or improvements? Tim P. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun May 30 08:09:23 2010 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 16:09:23 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Carb and Ignition questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000b01cb0001$b7095300$251bf900$@com> For the resistor....you'll need a 1,5-2 Ohm power resistor.....for about 25-50Watt. 200 Ohm is way too much. The coils voltage should drop about 9 - 9.5V with resistor. Less than that would make the engine stall. I use a 1.5 Ohm resistor of this type: http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/421251/WIDERSTAND-DRAHT-25-W-5-1R5 And I have a spare with 100Watt. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von George Harmuth Gesendet: Sonntag, 30. Mai 2010 03:41 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Carb and Ignition questions Quiz time again. I have two problems with my son's street Spitfire, 72 MKIV. The first problem, really more of a validation I hope is related to the carbs. I removed the stock single Stromberg and replaced it with a pair of HS2 SUs.I was tweaking and balancing them, they were running rich. When I rev'd the motor up, I noticed a squirt of gas from a small hole, on the firewall side carb, just under the fuel inlet. I pulled the float and checked it's function, when the float was almost level, the valve would close and keep me from blowing through it. The front carb worked in a similar fashion. I never noticed the hole before, looks like it meant to be there, but is it , as I suspect, a vent hole for the fuel bowl, and not an over pressure relief port? I'm guessing that I just need new needle valves and/ or a float and I should be good to go. But before I order the parts and waste a week, is the stock fuel pump, designed for the Stromberg, too powerful for the SU floats? Should I be changing the stock pump for one from a duel carb model too? Question number two. The ballast resistor broke, don't know how but we had a problem starting and I found the ceramic rod and wire broken. I picked up a generic one at the local parts chain but I still have the problem, the car will only run on the start up circuit. As soon as I stop turning the starter over, the ignition dies (verified by timing light). I put a meter on the input to the resistor and with the key on, I have ~ 12.8V and 12.5V on the coil side. The resistor measures ~ 200 ohms. All the wires back to the ignition switch look good and ohm out clean, but the car won't run. Do I have a problem with the replacement resistor? I've used this type before on the race spit motor but I didn't want to start swapping parts from that, I have a dbl race next weekend. Could I have a bad connection somewhere, only good enough to show 12V potential but not pass enough current to fire the coil? Related to the debug of this problem, I changed points, set the gap and timed the motor. I also swapped coils with a spare. If I hot wire the starter circuit, jumper wire from the battery to the coil, the car will run forever. (this just got me thinking, I'll hot wire the feed into the resistor tomorrow and see what happens) I can't find a value for the ballast resistor, does anyone know what values (Ohms and voltage drop) I should be seeing? thanks in advance mike h. G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun May 30 09:16:12 2010 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 08:16:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? Message-ID: <4C02813C.60805@gmail.com> Below are two pictures sent to me by someone who just picked up what he thought was a TR2 low port cylinder head. What is really strange is that there is a raised flat surface between the second and third studs on the ports side. It looks as though it was intended to have something mounted on top of the head alongside the valve cover. Has anyone seen one of these heads before? Any idea what vehicle it was originally intended for? Could this be a Ferguson tractor head? Any help identifying this head would be appreciated. The new owner hopes to bolt it to an early TR2. Teriann From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun May 30 18:44:56 2010 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 17:44:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? In-Reply-To: <9BC50BCC86E446968473B8438E2E6873@hpa1477c> References: <4C02813C.60805@gmail.com> <9BC50BCC86E446968473B8438E2E6873@hpa1477c> Message-ID: <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> On 5/30/10 3:51 PM, Jack Brooks wrote: > TeriAnn, > > No pictures go through the list. > > Opps. Some of the email lists I belong to handle jpegs & some don't. I enclosed them without thinking. www.tjwakeman.net/TR/TR.images/TR2_head2.JPG www.tjwakeman.net/TR/TR.images/tr2_head1.JPG > Below are two pictures sent to me by someone who just picked up what he > thought was a TR2 low port cylinder head. > > What is really strange is that there is a raised flat surface between > the second and third studs on the ports side. It looks as though it was > intended to have something mounted on top of the head alongside the > valve cover. > > Has anyone seen one of these heads before? Any idea what vehicle it was > originally intended for? Could this be a Ferguson tractor head? Any > help identifying this head would be appreciated. The new owner hopes to > bolt it to an early TR2. > > Teriann From budscars at comcast.net Sun May 30 18:57:27 2010 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 17:57:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? References: <4C02813C.60805@gmail.com><9BC50BCC86E446968473B8438E2E6873@hpa1477c> <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <84D4B15D3CEA40B490B3BB5714D21F53@Bud> Hi TeriAnn...it looks like TR4 to me. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? > On 5/30/10 3:51 PM, Jack Brooks wrote: >> TeriAnn, >> >> No pictures go through the list. >> >> > Opps. Some of the email lists I belong to handle jpegs & some don't. I > enclosed them without thinking. > > www.tjwakeman.net/TR/TR.images/TR2_head2.JPG > > www.tjwakeman.net/TR/TR.images/tr2_head1.JPG >> Below are two pictures sent to me by someone who just picked up what he >> thought was a TR2 low port cylinder head. >> >> What is really strange is that there is a raised flat surface between >> the second and third studs on the ports side. It looks as though it was >> intended to have something mounted on top of the head alongside the >> valve cover. >> >> Has anyone seen one of these heads before? Any idea what vehicle it was >> originally intended for? Could this be a Ferguson tractor head? Any >> help identifying this head would be appreciated. The new owner hopes to >> bolt it to an early TR2. >> >> Teriann > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From herald948 at aol.com Sun May 30 19:23:51 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 21:23:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? In-Reply-To: <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> References: <4C02813C.60805@gmail.com><9BC50BCC86E446968473B8438E2E6873@hpa1477c> <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CCCE770FFDD088-1E88-10EA2@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> My first thought is that it might be a Standard Vanguard head. Are there any stamped numbers on it? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun May 30 19:33:12 2010 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 18:33:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? In-Reply-To: <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> References: <4C02813C.60805@gmail.com><9BC50BCC86E446968473B8438E2E6873@hpa1477c> <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <286601cb0061$3c1e0860$0301a8c0@randall> > > Has anyone seen one of these heads before? Any idea what > vehicle it was > > originally intended for? Could this be a Ferguson tractor > head? Seems reasonable to me. The holes for the head studs look smaller than a TR (the Fergie had 7/16" studs instead of 1/2") and the manifold studs are the wrong pattern. But I can't seem to find a photo of that side of a Fergie motor, so I'm just guessing. Randall From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun May 30 20:42:09 2010 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 19:42:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? In-Reply-To: <8CCCE770FFDD088-1E88-10EA2@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> References: <4C02813C.60805@gmail.com><9BC50BCC86E446968473B8438E2E6873@hpa1477c> <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> <8CCCE770FFDD088-1E88-10EA2@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C032201.7020805@gmail.com> On 5/30/10 6:23 PM, Andrew Mace wrote: > My first thought is that it might be a Standard Vanguard head. Are > there any stamped numbers on it? > > --Andy Mace 511151 Teriann From herald948 at aol.com Sun May 30 21:31:15 2010 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 23:31:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? In-Reply-To: <4C032201.7020805@gmail.com> References: <4C02813C.60805@gmail.com><9BC50BCC86E446968473B8438E2E6873@hpa1477c> <4C030688.6010809@gmail.com> <8CCCE770FFDD088-1E88-10EA2@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> <4C032201.7020805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CCCE88DC3391BB-1E88-1185F@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Well, I'm not finding a number like that in any of my Standard Vanguard SPC's. :( --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman To: Andrew Mace Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 10:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Anyone seen a head like this? On 5/30/10 6:23 PM, Andrew Mace wrote: My first thought is that it might be a Standard Vanguardhead. Are there any stamped numbers on it? --AndyMace 511151 Teriann